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how to manipulate people for good
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part 4 so I'm a psychologist and I'm gonna teach you how to help people change
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but for good
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and so today we're gonna talk about change talk and sustain talk
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and so this comes from essentially the gold standard in helping people change
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which is called motivational interviewing
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there's a great book on this topic
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but essentially
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this is used for a lot of very severe behaviours in the field of psychology
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and so you can use it to get your partner to take out the trash
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and so the idea behind change talk and sustained talk is that
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whenever we want to do a new behaviour
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we have a part of us that wants to change
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and a part of us that doesn't want to change
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and in helping people change
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we need to actually allow both of those parts to exist
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and so we need to approach a lot of change conversations
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with much more curiosity and calm
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than we typically approach them with
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so in the normal style of communication
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a lot of times we give advice
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we criticize we just kind of um
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barred people with our opinion
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and these are not effective ways to make people change
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people will maybe change for like a day
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and then they'll go back to whatever they were doing
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and they probably will resent you for it
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and so what we actually wanna do is
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we wanna give them the space to talk about their ideas around change
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and their ideas around sustaining their behaviour
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and so that could just be a very curious kind of conversation
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and approaching them with an open ended question like hey
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what do you think about um joining a gym
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like what do you think about implementing something um
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related to fitness in our lives
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maybe you're tryna um help someone be a little bit healthier
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and so if you're trying to get someone to exercise
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this is a more effective way of eliciting it
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and so usually they're gonna offer you their opinion
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they're gonna be like well yeah
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like you know
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I'd love to become more fit
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but at the same time I'm so busy and you know
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like I haven't worked out in five years and I don't even know where to start
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blah blah blah
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and so you need to listen very carefully to what they say
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and then your job all your job is
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is to repeat it back to them in essentially a summarized version
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you could say like oh yeah
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I know where you're coming from
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like you're you're really busy
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like you're objectively busy
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and it's just been so long since you've been to the gym
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but at the same time you really value getting more healthy
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and so essentially
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what you wanna do in this repetition of their content back to them
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is you want to highlight the change
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talk a little bit over the sustained talk
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so in this example
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the sustained talk was I'm too busy and I haven't worked out in five years
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that's sustained talk that those sentences will sustain the behaviour
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and there was one sentence that was changed talk
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and that sentence was um I would really like to be more healthy
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and so what you want to do
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as you're speaking with this individual that you're helping change
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is you want to highlight the change talk
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and sometimes all you need to do
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is actually just add the change talk to the end of your summary
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and so often times when we receive a summary back to us
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we better remember what's at the end
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instead of what was in the beginning and the middle
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and so you could just do that or you could um
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talk about it just a little bit longer the the change talk
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there's lots of strategies on how to do this
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if you wanna learn more about motivational interviewing
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comment below
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and I can teach you all more things on how to do this technique with others
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but essentially you need to approach with a sense of curiosity
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an open ended question
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and essentially just sitting there and summarizing their thoughts back to them
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a lot of times we actually know just having your thoughts summarize back to you
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will elicit the change behaviour
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even without have the other person having to try too hard to elicit it
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and this is how you help people change in a compassionate and sustainable way
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in which the person still maintains a close and healthy relationship with you
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and you're not criticizing
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you're not complaining and you're not making someone feel resentful towards you
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