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tell me about uh how did the movie come
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to
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be
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my agent at the
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time was just very persistent about me
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doing a documentary because you
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know somewhere between like six and 7
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years ago there was like this whole Rage
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of like
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a-listers
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[Music]
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musicians specifically they were just
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doing these documentaries all over the
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place and the do space just got like up
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like it just turned hot he like oh man
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you got to do one on your life and I was
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like my life no
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way one why would I want to listen to
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myself
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speak for an hour and feel that feeling
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of listening to the voicemail for an
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hour why would I do that like also like
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I see myself in the mirror every day and
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I am not curious or enthusiastic about
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any of my story cuz I know it yeah I
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know what I did two minutes ago two
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hours ago not good two days ago two
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weeks ago two months ago two years ago
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two decades ago
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what am I curious about yeah I wasn't
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and that's a huge issue for me because
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anything that I do artistically I need
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to be curious and I need to feel
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enthusiastic about what the the the
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Journey of exploration and ex excavation
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is going to
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be and I just did see that I didn't
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think it would be
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interesting but he kept pushing and he
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kept persisting and kept in assisting
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and then finally I was
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like man you really got to stop asking
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me about this and he was like look you
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can do it any way you want and at that
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point it kind of like unlocked something
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it unlocked a a different way or vantage
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point of looking at the opportunity so
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my brother Zay low was like actually you
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know that's when you realize he just
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summed it up so well and I was like man
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what do you mean but he was like you
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know that's when you realize that it was
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an opportunity that was less about like
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the reflection of the past but an
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opportunity to be creative yeah and
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that's literally what I felt and I just
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thought okay well if I can do it any way
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I want I want to work with Morgan
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Neville which we had discussed you know
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he's a really brilliant
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documentarian you look at 20 ft from
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Stardom you know a guy that like
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realizes that like one of the most most
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powerful entities in a performer's life
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you know especially Superstars or the
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background
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singers uh and recognize that so well
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that really interesting Vantage Point
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enough to even name the film 20 Feet
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from Stardom I was like that guy is
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genius yeah and he does it again with um
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Mr Rogers Mr Rogers the Fred Rogers dog
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yeah so I'm like oh I'd give that guy
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complete autonomy to my story and
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autonomy to my catalog to use as he sees
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fit but I want to do it in Lego how did
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the Lego idea come I knew that it
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was it never been done
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before and if Lego said yes it was going
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to be crazy all the stuff that we get to
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put in Lego what was your connection to
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Lego as a child my earliest Fondest
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Memories of like
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um toys were Lego sets it's what my
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parents used to get us when we lived on
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a federal subsidy you know in public
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housing Got Us Lego
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sets and I never
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dreamt that it would turn into this yeah
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but at the time it was like I was
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grateful for that and this is way before
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there were any mini figs or anything
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they were just bricks and
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pieces and um and then also like right
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when we decided we were going to do it
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the other thing that made it made
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it it you know that really made it click
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for me is that like we had just had you
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know we have four children we have our
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16-year-old rocket who he was here the
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last time U he's 16 now and then we have
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three seveny olds who we had just had so
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three yeah at once yeah three at once
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wow and uh and
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they have had Lego sets you know at
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different points in their lives so we
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always get them it's very
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generational and I hadn't thought about
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all the implications but I just know
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that I just knew that my my story if it
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got
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objectified that I might like it yeah
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enough to to do it what I didn't realize
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is that it objectified it so much that I
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was able
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to look at it and appreciate it beyond
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what I would see in the mirror when you
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look in the mirror most of the time even
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when you're very grateful for your life
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and your existence and even in in your
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physical form right CU not everybody has
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that not everybody is happy with what
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they were born with and we have to
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respect that too but when you
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are it's
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a it's a thing I don't take for granted
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but even when you're grateful for it you
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know you still see your your fears you
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see your flaws you see your insecurities
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you see see
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the the guilt and pressure that you feel
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from people guilt bullying you into
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doing things you don't really want to do
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you know like something your boss may
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suggest you really don't want to do but
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you say yes to anyway you give into that
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guilt bullying or family
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or uh significant other or
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Community or even voting party
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like there's always these pressures or
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things that sense of obligation you know
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yeah obligation that you really don't
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want to deal with but it's on you yeah
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yeah and uh and the pressures that come
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from
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that but this allowed me to
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see beyond all those layers of
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distraction
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yeah and insignificance yeah to see my
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true Soul's
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purpose and that is to be liberated
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discover the tools of Liberation and
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share them with as many spirits as I can
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yeah I mean when you I love that you use
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the word objectification because
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typically we think of objectification as
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a negative in our society but you're
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describing it as a way to distance
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yourself and actually see what it is
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yeah beautiful thank you thank you I
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mean that's what happens when you get
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legoed
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you know there's an objectification to
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to you and also to your story and it
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makes it very relatable because when you
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see when you see Atlanta's apartments in
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there like it doesn't look as heavy as
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it would have if it was a real uh
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liveaction documentary yeah that's the
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power of Lego yeah it allows other
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people to see things
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that their prejudices would not allow
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them to really take in just because oh
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that's the projects it's a more poetic
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interpretation 100% yeah yeah and open
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to you can see what you want to see in
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Lego yeah so did you film the scenes
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liveaction and then TR then make them in
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Lego how did it technically how was it
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made well what I had said to Morgan when
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we first worked together when I first
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when I first pitched it to him to see if
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he would do it I was like yo I want I
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want you to shoot this documentary
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whatever way you want cuz I love and
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respect what it is that you've done thus
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far think you're the best at this and
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you're the per perfect person for this
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but I I want you to shoot it and then I
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want you to throw all the footage away
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but keep the a oh and then I want you to
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do it in I want us to do it in
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Lego and he
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goes
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yeah
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sure and it was just that fast and then
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he said yes yeah then we went to Lego
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yeah and they said yes great and then we
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went to focus
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and they said
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yes and then they went to like Donna
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Langley over at Universal and she said
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yes and so when you think about it like
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this this film is like the sum of a lot
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of yeses yeah and when you add them up
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you get what impossible looks like yeah
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it's something no one has ever seen
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before yeah especially because I'm black
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I come from a marginalized Community you
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walking in there saying you know hey
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we're going to show the projects and
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going to make it so that everyone around
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the world will be able to understand it
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they wouldn't get it yeah but when you
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just say hey I just want to tell my life
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story through the guys of Lego because I
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want it to be
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relatable to
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people then all the other details get
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filled in and then as you're working on
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it you
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realize all these other things that you
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can like put in there later if you need
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to to make it even more Rich even more
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details about the life and even more
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detail about like these environments and
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you know it just turned out Morgan
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really crushed it you know how did you
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guys get Carl Sean to be in
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it you know I don't know I mean we got
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permission from the family but I I I was
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surprised when he ended up in it because
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I'm such a Carl Sean fan you know that's
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why he's there makes sense yeah he's
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everything is there really a statue of
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Neptune in Virginia Beach yeah really
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100% beautiful yeah and how important
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was the beach growing up for you the
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beach for me you know even though we
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live like a maybe 10minute walk from the
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beach black folks didn't really go to
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the beach and swim like that that wasn't
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like the thing to do it wasn't that it
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was illegal allthough Virginia Beach 10
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years before I was born it's not blacks
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were not necessarily welcomed blacks
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would swim in another city in in norfol
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in an area called Ocean View but
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Virginia Beach was pretty much like
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whites only but when you were growing up
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what was the vibe I think there was
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residue of that energy I
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see we were welcom to do it it was open
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for us to do it but I don't know if we
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were necessarily welcomed you know even
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when I did my Festival down there they
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were like signs
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that said that if you cursed you could
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get locked up but then we know who was
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getting locked up when they they were
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like cursing out loud down there in the
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ocean front you know or like you could
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get a a ticket or citation if the top of
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your underwear or boxers were showing
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above your shorts or pants really yeah
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yeah was had a lot of that but the city
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wanted to do something different and so
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when we did our Festival I think it
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changed a lot of energy down there
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because we couldn't do it alone and the
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30,000 students that weren't necessarily
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as welcome before they couldn't do it
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alone either it took everybody coming
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together and seeing the bigger picture
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and I think Virginia Beach has gotten a
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lot better still got a lot of work to
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do it's the Unspeakable mystery the
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representation of a Soundwave from which
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everything
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Springs tetr griton is an online
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collection of curated material is it a
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library or a gallery a museum an oracle
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we hope to find
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out tell me about the festival well that
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was just it it was uh you know 30,000
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students that would come there every
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year on week 17
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to uh blow off some steam right before
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exams
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and they weren't particularly welcomed
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and that's when like the whole Greek
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Fest thing happened and the riots and
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you know National Guard
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and it was it was a very tough time and
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a lot of that residual energy was still
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laying around and so uh they weren't
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necessarily being as supportive and as
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welcoming as they should have been to
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those students so the chief of police
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chief chief sea at the time he asked me
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if I had any ideas is and we came up
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with something in the water and that's
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that's where the festival came from and
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I know we digressed a little bit but
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that was
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like it's I've always just given back to
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Virginia Beach and given back to the
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state of Virginia because that's what
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made me good B and different and what
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ways do you feel like Virginia Beach
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made you I believe it did yeah but
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describe more
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like what and why there wasn't a
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blossoming music industry there MH you
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were outside of it yeah we all were
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myself Chad Timberland Missy
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Shay it was it wasn't really anything
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there but when Teddy moved in town Teddy
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Riley moved in town a lot of that
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changed and that gave us opportunities
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and Tim and Missy went Jersey and they
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were working a lot with Devonte swing
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like things happened then but even still
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it wasn't that but Virginia happened to
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be this
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really
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peculiar state that was in
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between New York DC
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and Atlanta and
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Miami
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and it was like people would just go
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there all the hustlers would come
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down they you know and if they weren't
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necessarily hustling in the city they
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were partying in the
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city and North folan Virginia Beach and
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it was just like this different time you
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think the beach played a role in that it
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it was just like a thing but musically
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because we weren't as Northern and then
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we weren't the most southern and we
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definitely weren't the Midwest or the
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West Coast we listened to everything
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yeah and I think that shaped us
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as at least the group that I'm referring
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to now like it shaped us as musicians
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and I think it really shaped the area
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because we loved anything that just was
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coming from any different area but like
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amazing
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then it got play and it got Spin and I
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think that developed our like taste buds
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to be eclectic to like all kinds of
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music Virginia is a very
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like it's a very it's a very interesting
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place that seems like it's just
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normalville but there's so many other
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like hidden talents people with great
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taste it wasn't reflective in what you
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seen But like like for example like one
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of the biggest Warhol collectors ever
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lived in Virginia Beach people wouldn't
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know we used to have this um Buckminster
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Fuller geodisc Dome down there that
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everybody performed that I didn't even
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know but like some of everybody
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performed there and it it sadly got torn
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down but then we ended up acquiring that
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property to build like this whole big
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multi-use uh
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venue and hotel wave Park like all this
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other stuff but it's like it's always
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had it's always been a magnet for very
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interesting people the Edgar Casey and
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the AR Foundation is down there wow I
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didn't know that oh yeah that's where he
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moved from Kentucky he moved
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there uh he moved to Virginia Beach so
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cool yeah no it's a lot there it's
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just I don't think that we've been very
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good at marketing it and sell
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celebrating it but maybe that keeps it
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what it is do you know what I mean like
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maybe sometimes the harder it is to get
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to where the the fact that it's a
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secret preserves it some things get
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watered down you're right and I I agree
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with that philosophy like cap Farah cap
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faray or you know like a Hampton type of
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vibe or like you know a lot of states
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and
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countries have like those kind of like
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if you know you know
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places but then you would need the
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powers that be there yeah the powers
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that be who are who are there yes to
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know that yes to know what they're
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protecting yeah and a lot of times they
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don't understood understood I love them
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yeah yeah but like but I don't I don't I
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don't love when they don't have the
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self-awareness or the wherewithal and I
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mean the powers that be to know how
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special the place is and how we could
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really take it to the next level and
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that's why I feel like a lot of us are
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raising our hands and making major
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Investments and bringing big investors
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from all over the world so that we can
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make it an inter international treasure
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and even if it's going to be an
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international secret yeah let's treat it
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that way do you think of Virginia as
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your
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home yeah I mean I mean Miami is my home
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too yeah Virginia Beach Miami Paris yeah
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Tokyo but when you think home which one
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comes
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up Virginia is always going to be my
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home okay but we live in Paris right at
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the moment my kids are there going to
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school like but then Tokyo is my home
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for another reason you know yeah and in
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Miami it's just
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like that never gets
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old um tell me about writing new songs
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for the movie
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I needed to see myself objectified first
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to write about myself I've never really
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written good music for myself I think I
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told you this the last time like all of
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my best songs are songs that I wrote for
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somebody else and we just use the demos
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yeah but I need to get me out of the way
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because when I see me I just it's like a
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mirror looking at itself like there's no
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image there there's nothing inspiring
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but when I'm channeling somebody else
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and it bring something out of me and
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they don't use use the record yeah
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that's kind of like cuz I'm in service
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to others so my best work naturally is
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going to be when I am channeling someone
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else and not me and seeing myself
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objectified allowed me to have enough
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separation to get inspired and so that's
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where Peace by piece came
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from and there's another one called Lego
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Odyssey and in French the way you would
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say the ego is Le ego l apostrophe ego
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and it would be pronounced Lego Wow and
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that was based
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on most of my life my first 50 years of
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my life um at least the first 40 were
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just in
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egocentric and look
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Society sort of reads that and supports
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that you know I'm the best I'm this I'm
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that and you're not you're actually part
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of an equation
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yeah
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and what you are when you say I am you
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are part of the greater I am and you're
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lucky to be just
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existing you
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know am is a noun and am is a
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verb just like God is a noun and God is
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a verb and love is a noun and Love Is A
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Verb I wrote about the first 40 plus
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years of my life cuz from 40 to 5050 is
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how I made it it's like a 10year
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transition of just this how' it happen
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though what triggered it I think I
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explained this to you the last time like
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you
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know happy Blurred Lines get lucky three
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songs that I was commissioned to
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write and eventually got attributed to
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me due to circumstances and they were
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also like I said they were commissions
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so it wasn't like you know how like you
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wake up one day and you're like yo I'm
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going to
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make I don't know you woke up one day
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and decided you want to do 99 problems
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right yeah let's pretend 99 Problems was
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solely your idea yep and most of the
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songs of your catalog are solely your
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idea you woke up that day and decided
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you wanted to do
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that that would lead you to believe that
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you are controlling your destiny it
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would lead Le you to believe that you
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sold that many records it would lead you
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to believe that like
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your willpower and your existence is
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solely in control of everything every
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part of the
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process then one day you get three
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different commissions to do something so
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they're not it is going to be your idea
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but it's because someone prompted you
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hey we need a the right song for this
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scene hey we need a song for this
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artist hey we need you to write a song
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to be on our
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record you do all of that you end up
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being on all the
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records they all end up being like
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number one records and with huge not
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just number one records but like 22
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million records sold you know what I
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mean like
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on just one song alone like you know and
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Counting type [ __ ] and then you go oh
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I'm not in control and then it Dawns on
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you that you didn't sell that many
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records you you you you wrote a song you
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produced a song and the fans decided to
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download share or like actually buy
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physical
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copies and then those songs are bigger
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than anything you've ever done songs are
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like helping people get through their
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day it's help some songs is helping
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people through their chemotherapy some
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people some songs is helping people
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through uh divorce some songs are just
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giving people hope like just a whole
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bunch of things that
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like
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you are humbling to you but then at the
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core of all of it you didn't commission
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these songs from yourself these songs
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were commissions the
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universe conspired to show you
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you all these
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things and it just made me
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ball and so that was when I was 40 and
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you saw it clearly clear that's great I
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I noticed things did you feel
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relief what was the what was the feeling
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when you saw it the relief that I felt
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was not quite how you're saying it was a
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different context it was more
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like you didn't give up on me
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I point to the Sun but this sun is one
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of trillions upon trillions upon
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trillions upon trillions of
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stars but existence the air between you
551
00:24:41,038 --> 00:24:45,759
and I the molecules in you the molecules
552
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,480
in me the molecules and the trees the
553
00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:50,158
breeze that we're filling right now any
554
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:53,519
and everything that we're in this Matrix
555
00:24:50,159 --> 00:24:56,360
that we are in of
556
00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:59,558
existence that's my
557
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:01,479
God the Alpha and the Omega
558
00:24:59,558 --> 00:25:02,918
the all that is all that ever was and
559
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,839
all that ever will
560
00:25:02,919 --> 00:25:09,159
be
561
00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:12,119
existence you didn't give up on me and
562
00:25:09,159 --> 00:25:14,399
you gave me another shot and you really
563
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:17,319
really really demonstrated
564
00:25:14,398 --> 00:25:20,759
it through these three
565
00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:22,519
songs that I was commissioned to do and
566
00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:24,599
you left me in on it because I never
567
00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:29,558
thought I could ever do anything so big
568
00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:31,079
with me being the featured artist yeah
569
00:25:29,558 --> 00:25:34,839
it was all of
570
00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:38,439
that and I never looked at it the same
571
00:25:34,839 --> 00:25:40,599
and it took me from 40 to 50 to like
572
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,919
really get to a full place of like just
573
00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:47,558
humility like there's no need for me to
574
00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:50,000
brag there's no need for me to like and
575
00:25:47,558 --> 00:25:55,879
be dramatic
576
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:59,679
and for what yeah I'm so blessed to
577
00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:03,799
exist I exist at this
578
00:25:59,679 --> 00:26:06,480
time in this space this longitude this
579
00:26:03,798 --> 00:26:09,359
latitude at this particular jungle
580
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:12,880
juncture I
581
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:16,319
exist I'm so
582
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,679
grateful you know tell me about uh your
583
00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:18,519
relationship to the church church
584
00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:20,880
growing
585
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:23,839
up church was everything that's where we
586
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:26,919
first saw Spirit you know we saw the
587
00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:28,480
Spirit moving through people you know
588
00:26:26,919 --> 00:26:31,038
we're out here in nature right now and
589
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,360
as the wind blows some of these trees
590
00:26:31,038 --> 00:26:35,480
with the longer branches you you can
591
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,959
tell which way the wind is
592
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:41,240
blowing based on which way the leaves
593
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:43,679
are turning and which way the and how
594
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,240
the sections of branches are blowing in
595
00:26:43,679 --> 00:26:47,559
the same
596
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,319
direction and that's how the spirit is
597
00:26:47,558 --> 00:26:52,599
in church when the spirit is really
598
00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:55,000
moving around in there it's like a wave
599
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:57,558
you just see it you know how like you go
600
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,599
to a big football stadium and you see
601
00:26:57,558 --> 00:27:02,720
people doing the way wave yeah I seen
602
00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:06,038
the spirit do
603
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:08,079
that just moving around people just
604
00:27:06,038 --> 00:27:11,119
throwing their hands up and screaming
605
00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:14,839
and shouting and I would see that at you
606
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:17,000
know my uh my dad's church which was was
607
00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:19,038
a Pentecostal church and then my mom's
608
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,558
church was a Baptist church and they
609
00:27:19,038 --> 00:27:23,240
didn't really like shout as much in
610
00:27:21,558 --> 00:27:24,798
there you would hear it but it wasn't
611
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,519
like it was in a Pentecostal church was
612
00:27:24,798 --> 00:27:29,119
it music in church oh yeah it was a lot
613
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:32,440
of music and it was usually
614
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:34,959
it would begin with something very
615
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:38,640
powerful that the pastor would
616
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:40,759
say you know Elder Bishop there good he
617
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,200
would say something that would just
618
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:45,960
connect with all of the
619
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,519
congregation but then the organist which
620
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:53,600
was most of the time was my my uncle my
621
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:56,359
uncle Ezekiel yeah he would play along
622
00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:58,319
as this guy's preaching but he's
623
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,879
preaching
624
00:27:58,319 --> 00:28:03,558
in a
625
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:06,799
note think future with autotune yeah
626
00:28:03,558 --> 00:28:10,158
right yeah and as he moves future when
627
00:28:06,798 --> 00:28:13,000
future is rhyming he's rhyming and he's
628
00:28:10,159 --> 00:28:15,600
picking a note and he's having these
629
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:18,919
Pockets that correspond with whatever
630
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:21,199
the chords are in the beat right yeah
631
00:28:18,919 --> 00:28:25,480
that's what they would do in church yeah
632
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:27,759
they would hit you know that that a flat
633
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,480
or a sharp you know that a like they
634
00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:31,319
were hit that and then all of a sudden
635
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,519
as he's preaching and saying what he's
636
00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:37,879
saying he's doing it with a
637
00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:40,440
melody and then all of a sudden as he's
638
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:45,278
making his next
639
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:48,679
point the organist would modulate up to
640
00:28:45,278 --> 00:28:50,278
a half step and it would be like and
641
00:28:48,679 --> 00:28:52,360
they would continue to do it up another
642
00:28:50,278 --> 00:28:55,839
step up another step and you're just
643
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:58,599
feeling this Welling feeling that's in
644
00:28:55,839 --> 00:29:00,558
there and man at a certain point it just
645
00:28:58,599 --> 00:29:02,319
would explode the pressure like a pipe
646
00:29:00,558 --> 00:29:05,918
it would explode and all of a sudden
647
00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:05,918
they do they go to a cut time
648
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,360
beat and then and and literally you
649
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,919
seeing people shouting and you seeing
650
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:18,918
people run up and down the aisles and
651
00:29:12,919 --> 00:29:21,080
you just seeing waves and waves of wafts
652
00:29:18,919 --> 00:29:25,679
of the spirit
653
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:28,119
just people just moving and I grew up in
654
00:29:25,679 --> 00:29:32,200
that wow and from the pastor and the
655
00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:35,359
organist none of that was rehearsed zero
656
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:38,159
that was a moment in time that where
657
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:41,519
they just connected improvisation
658
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:44,278
feeling the moment period amazing period
659
00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:46,038
amazing and I would even I I even
660
00:29:44,278 --> 00:29:47,960
venture to say now that you're now that
661
00:29:46,038 --> 00:29:52,158
you're now that you just said what you
662
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,159
said I would say that was my
663
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:59,480
first that was the first time I ever
664
00:29:57,079 --> 00:30:02,480
encountered urgency
665
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,120
live you could literally if you could
666
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:08,519
cut the
667
00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:10,959
air you could cut a block of the energy
668
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:12,558
out in that room and if one could
669
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,640
consume it you don't understand the what
670
00:30:12,558 --> 00:30:18,038
you would feel yeah nobody wasn't paying
671
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:21,080
attention people were everybody was
672
00:30:18,038 --> 00:30:23,440
engaged everybody yeah you could feel it
673
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:25,599
yeah that's amazing you can feel it and
674
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,519
but that still happens today you know my
675
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:30,959
uncle's Church uh
676
00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:34,240
uh Faith World
677
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:36,640
Ministries you know that still happens
678
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,960
today I mean when he preaches he he he
679
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,880
went from being an organist and piano
680
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:45,919
player which he still is to now being a
681
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:48,399
pastor of his own um Ministry and
682
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:50,080
congregation and you go there you sit
683
00:30:48,398 --> 00:30:53,558
and you
684
00:30:50,079 --> 00:31:00,359
feel it's right off of aelia uh I want
685
00:30:53,558 --> 00:31:03,278
to say aelia in North Virginia aelia Isa
686
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:05,240
Boulevard when he speaks the
687
00:31:03,278 --> 00:31:08,278
word and
688
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:12,079
him and the uh the organist there the
689
00:31:08,278 --> 00:31:15,240
head organist there uh Larry when they
690
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:17,038
man what they make the the feeling that
691
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,079
they're able to conjure and the way that
692
00:31:17,038 --> 00:31:22,000
the spirit just comes into that
693
00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:23,879
building it's just there something else
694
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:27,480
the reason so much great music comes out
695
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:31,200
of the church oh yeah the best musicians
696
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:33,120
the best singers yes and I think what
697
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:36,558
conditions them is the spirit access to
698
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:38,079
the spirit yeah and for me to be clear
699
00:31:36,558 --> 00:31:41,319
yeah when I talked about the all that is
700
00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:43,000
all that is all that ever was all that
701
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:46,839
ever will be you know the Alpha and the
702
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:50,720
Omega you know the Matrix itself
703
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:52,720
existence to me the spirit is the energy
704
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:56,519
of all that everything that
705
00:31:52,720 --> 00:32:00,079
exists it's the spirit it's the kinetic
706
00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:01,720
side of it's all that what makes it
707
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:03,759
happen what makes everything happen
708
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,159
creation the energy
709
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:07,519
yeah did you look forward to going to
710
00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:11,440
church during the
711
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:13,880
week no it felt like a chore sometimes
712
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:17,120
cuz man you know the way that we grew up
713
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:20,240
it was like Wednesday night bible study
714
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:22,558
you know prayer over at the house
715
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:25,960
Thursday or Friday
716
00:32:22,558 --> 00:32:29,119
night you know choir rehearsal on
717
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:31,360
Saturday Sunday morning Church go to the
718
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:33,119
first service in the morning sometimes
719
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:35,638
go to the the second service in the
720
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:38,359
evening I mean it was different it was a
721
00:32:35,638 --> 00:32:39,879
lot yeah and I wanted to do other things
722
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:42,678
because outside of church where the
723
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:45,320
secular music was was like Michael
724
00:32:42,679 --> 00:32:47,840
Jackson and like you know the Jacksons
725
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:49,720
and you know Stevie Wonder music and
726
00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:53,359
James Brown and that's a different kind
727
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:56,360
of spirit that's a different side of the
728
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:58,278
spirit but I'm very grateful for my
729
00:32:56,359 --> 00:33:01,479
formative years that that's that helped
730
00:32:58,278 --> 00:33:05,679
me to see I learned what urgency and
731
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:09,159
improvisation really was through the
732
00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:12,440
church you talked about that that
733
00:33:09,159 --> 00:33:14,320
Revelation between 40 and 50 mhm did you
734
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,080
learn anything about yourself in making
735
00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:18,359
the
736
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:19,879
movie I did again I saw my soul's
737
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:22,479
purpose for the first
738
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:25,919
time tell me about that can I face the
739
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,558
sun sure man the sun is like amazing
740
00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:30,080
right now feels so good doesn't it it
741
00:33:27,558 --> 00:33:33,398
does feel so good
742
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:35,839
inside I never really like knew my
743
00:33:33,398 --> 00:33:37,119
soul's purpose I I can see everywhere
744
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:40,240
accept the
745
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:43,158
future for
746
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,038
myself I can sometimes discern it
747
00:33:43,159 --> 00:33:46,960
through
748
00:33:44,038 --> 00:33:51,038
people what their Futures might
749
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:54,639
be and for them but I can't do it for
750
00:33:51,038 --> 00:33:58,720
myself never been able to and it was
751
00:33:54,638 --> 00:34:01,278
weird having this film as a tool
752
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:04,278
a therapeutic tool by the way but a tool
753
00:34:01,278 --> 00:34:06,839
to help me see who I really am and what
754
00:34:04,278 --> 00:34:08,480
my purpose is because I've never really
755
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:10,199
gotten it I've never really seen what
756
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,440
people see I just think I'm just lucky
757
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:14,638
as hell like I don't know what y'all see
758
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:18,039
but I ain't going to talk you out of
759
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:20,440
it you know what I'm saying it's like I
760
00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:24,159
mean are you like that or you do you get
761
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:26,119
you get why you are the Rick rubben no
762
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:30,358
I'm just me and just do what I like
763
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:32,079
that's it simple same yeah but the fact
764
00:34:30,358 --> 00:34:33,679
that you have the Fanfare and the
765
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:35,919
respect that you have in the industry
766
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:39,800
and just the audience that you have for
767
00:34:35,918 --> 00:34:42,199
anything that you do do you get it I'm
768
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:46,280
appreciative of it but that's it that's
769
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:49,319
it I'm grateful thankful same but also I
770
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,159
don't do it for that I do it for the you
771
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,720
know the purity of the thing I want to
772
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:57,760
feel the thing and then other people
773
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:59,439
like it that's the best bonus sure but
774
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,160
we I believe we would both be doing what
775
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,079
we're doing if nobody cared about it
776
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:05,480
either 100% And often times and often
777
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:07,400
times when they don't get it we still do
778
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,480
it yeah absolutely yeah and we still
779
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,320
love those things as much as we love the
780
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:15,159
ones that sometimes better sometimes
781
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,480
better those are the Fine Wines yeah
782
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:20,039
yeah yeah that's that part's not in our
783
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,880
control but when we're making it we can
784
00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:26,719
keep working on it till we love it
785
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:29,119
yeah I want this for everybody man yeah
786
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,399
everyone can do it everyone can do it
787
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:32,358
not everyone's going to like everything
788
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,680
you make but you can have that
789
00:35:32,358 --> 00:35:38,519
experience of making something and
790
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:40,279
working on it until it's a true
791
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:43,039
reflection of what you think is
792
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,400
beautiful well we just live in a society
793
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:49,119
that pushes
794
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:52,079
people and really really hammers into
795
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:53,358
them that they got to go do things that
796
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:58,039
make the most
797
00:35:53,358 --> 00:36:00,679
money versus what they love and I think
798
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:02,838
if you can find something that you love
799
00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:04,960
even if like if you're a football player
800
00:36:02,838 --> 00:36:07,838
I mean if you love football
801
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,358
yeah but you ain't nowhere near big
802
00:36:07,838 --> 00:36:14,480
enough or fast enough or whatever the
803
00:36:10,358 --> 00:36:15,358
requirements might might be listen to be
804
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,480
a
805
00:36:15,358 --> 00:36:22,480
therapist or um physical therapist or to
806
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:25,119
be any from anything from a water boy or
807
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,760
like to sell concessions you're gonna
808
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:30,720
love your job yeah if you're around it
809
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,640
man that's a great life yeah and I feel
810
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,838
like society would be so much better if
811
00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:37,559
we had that but that's not what they do
812
00:36:35,838 --> 00:36:39,000
they you know they you know your parents
813
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:40,599
tell you you got to be a doctor or a
814
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,358
lawyer and by the way there are some
815
00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:43,960
great doctors and and who really wanted
816
00:36:42,358 --> 00:36:46,039
to be that and some great lawyers who
817
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,639
really want to be that but what about
818
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:52,358
everybody else yeah it would what would
819
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:56,559
what would America
820
00:36:52,358 --> 00:36:59,759
be if everybody did mostly the jobs or
821
00:36:56,559 --> 00:37:02,039
worked in Environ or worked in within
822
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:06,079
industries that had a subject matter
823
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:07,719
that they love and were obsessed with
824
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:11,359
how many billionaires and ctim
825
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:15,159
Millionaires and millionaires hate their
826
00:37:11,358 --> 00:37:18,598
lives it doesn't it's not
827
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:22,639
about the ultimate part about it is not
828
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:25,039
it's not money yeah the means are
829
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:27,719
important but the the means and the
830
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:29,719
currency is important but like the idea
831
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,000
of like money being like the end all be
832
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:34,039
all is just not true now you wouldn't be
833
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,440
able to afford this place if it weren't
834
00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:40,559
for strategy and the right timing yeah
835
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:43,679
and currency but it's a bonus right but
836
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:45,838
it's not the end all be all it's not the
837
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:47,399
end all be all despite anything you
838
00:37:45,838 --> 00:37:50,639
might
839
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:53,400
see it isn't at the end of the day it's
840
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:55,639
like loving what you being able to do
841
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:59,000
what you
842
00:37:55,639 --> 00:38:02,480
love endlessly
843
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:04,280
I want that for people man yeah I think
844
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,280
the best way to do it you lead by
845
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,440
example you know show people that it's
846
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,240
possible yeah cuz I love music music is
847
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,960
the skeleton key that opened up every
848
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,719
door for me
849
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:17,318
yeah how did you come to be a part of
850
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:21,598
Louis
851
00:38:17,318 --> 00:38:25,960
Vuitton got a phone call
852
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:28,240
um and I was so like thrown off cuz I
853
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,838
just never expected i' be able to do it
854
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,279
I
855
00:38:28,838 --> 00:38:33,039
mean I just wasn't even it didn't even
856
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,599
cross my mind cuz I worked with them 20
857
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:39,119
years ago Mark Jacobs uh tapped me to do
858
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:42,880
some sunglasses with them myself and I
859
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:44,519
brought nego along it was 20 years ago
860
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,480
and
861
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:49,519
then then I think 19 years ago they came
862
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,199
out they hit the market but we had start
863
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:54,679
working on them 20 years ago so I
864
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:57,919
thought okay I did sunglasses there I
865
00:38:54,679 --> 00:39:01,279
did um
866
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:03,960
we also did like uh
867
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:08,560
jewelry few years later I did a campaign
868
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:12,358
with them and I thought okay my time
869
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:14,480
there is good and it's up and you know I
870
00:39:12,358 --> 00:39:17,598
eventually went on the Monclair and I
871
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:20,880
started working with uh
872
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:23,920
Chanel and I just you know thought that
873
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:27,760
was it my brother Virgil
874
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,519
was you know he had gotten
875
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,000
uh the
876
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:33,599
appointment and I thought that's so cool
877
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,480
cuz he was there in the very beginning
878
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:37,000
when him and Kanye were there in the
879
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,599
very beginning when we first got it in
880
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,199
fact there's a photo of all three of us
881
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:42,960
and they're trying on the sunglasses I
882
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:46,279
did back then so the idea that like him
883
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:49,318
wearing them glasses existed and then he
884
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:51,880
went on to be the guy yeah that was
885
00:39:49,318 --> 00:39:55,239
enough for me amazing yeah that was like
886
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:58,280
oh no like that's
887
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,759
it what were your expectations
888
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,119
and then what were you met with when you
889
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,020
got there I didn't have any expectations
890
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:05,838
but I did go in there with a plan
891
00:40:04,019 --> 00:40:09,280
[Music]
892
00:40:05,838 --> 00:40:12,119
mhm I didn't know the way that I looked
893
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:16,280
at fashion and the way that I wanted to
894
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:17,318
like build out my system and what would
895
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,079
work for
896
00:40:17,318 --> 00:40:24,559
me and they they agreed they're like
897
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:27,640
okay this works very grateful that it's
898
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:30,199
it's been good it's been really good we
899
00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:32,639
get to tell stories and I get inspired
900
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:35,799
by different parts of the world and you
901
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:37,639
know it's a it's a travel brand so we
902
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:41,680
tell this we constantly tell stories
903
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:44,199
about you know humans traveling and what
904
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:45,960
they learn in different areas being
905
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:48,358
inspired by these areas and working with
906
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:51,039
local Artisans of these different places
907
00:40:48,358 --> 00:40:53,679
around the world it's been it's been a
908
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:56,000
real living
909
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:57,639
dream I don't take any of it for granted
910
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,880
I can't believe I'm here man last time I
911
00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:01,920
was sitting here talking to you I didn't
912
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,920
know this was all going to happen wild
913
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,639
yeah I told you I can't see the future
914
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,599
for myself
915
00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:10,400
yeah how has being a father changed your
916
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:15,318
life
917
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:19,000
immensely being responsible for four new
918
00:41:15,318 --> 00:41:22,318
Spirits coming into this world helping
919
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,679
to shape their experiences in their
920
00:41:22,318 --> 00:41:27,559
formative
921
00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:30,639
years all while making sure that My
922
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:33,000
Lifestyle does not corrupt their point
923
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:36,159
of view on how what the world real world
924
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,639
really is has been one of the greatest
925
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:41,039
Gifts of my
926
00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:43,039
life you know these are four songs that
927
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:46,079
I co-wrote with my
928
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:49,679
wife whose Bridges continue to rewrite
929
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:49,680
themselves as they grow
930
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:56,239
old you
931
00:41:52,960 --> 00:42:00,159
know during the holidays we go
932
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:04,759
and we go and we feed and serve the
933
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:07,078
homeless we go and you know to different
934
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,880
Children's Hospitals where there are a
935
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:11,079
lot
936
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:14,119
of kids that are challenged with like
937
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:17,880
conditions that a lot of times are
938
00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:19,760
uncurable or haven't been cured yet and
939
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:23,760
that's because I want my children to
940
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:27,599
understand having to have real coping
941
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,520
skills and to see what real courage
942
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:31,160
looks
943
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:34,280
like a child that wakes up and gets bad
944
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:37,159
news that day and realizes that it's
945
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:39,280
going to be a tough ride
946
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:41,960
and where they wake up every day and
947
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:46,000
they face that day for what it
948
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:49,119
is I wanted my kids to have that and so
949
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,599
I'm on it I don't I'm strict about it I
950
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:54,440
don't play I'm a strict
951
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:56,880
dad but but because the world is Harsh
952
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,400
yeah you know I think when parents say
953
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,400
things like oh I never want my kids to
954
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:03,079
struggle the way that I did well you
955
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:08,240
have to understand the way your
956
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:08,240
struggle produced you being a
957
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:14,960
hardworking critical thinking individual
958
00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:16,598
and when you don't allow your kids to
959
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,119
have guided
960
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:21,359
struggle they don't develop the coping
961
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:25,760
skills they don't have the
962
00:43:21,358 --> 00:43:29,078
courage they don't can't deal with
963
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:32,280
challenges and um
964
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:34,800
um it often times doesn't end so
965
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:39,519
well tell me about uh things going to be
966
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,519
all right the Kendrick's Tong
967
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:46,559
yeah that was a record that like did you
968
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:49,000
write that hook yeah I had no idea that
969
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:52,839
you wrote The Hook yeah what that's me
970
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:56,079
on the hook I had no idea yeah and then
971
00:43:52,838 --> 00:43:58,960
my buddy KP who was a anr he was like
972
00:43:56,079 --> 00:44:01,960
cuz I was like we gonna be all
973
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:04,639
right and the way I was saying it I was
974
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:07,318
saying it on some Virginia [ __ ] and yeah
975
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:10,799
that's what makes it well well he
976
00:44:07,318 --> 00:44:13,159
corrected me to say all right to put the
977
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,440
r in there and so I ended up doing
978
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:18,279
it but you but it still sound like I'm
979
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,880
saying all right all right yeah but uh
980
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:23,760
maybe you put out the street version the
981
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:27,720
remix with the proper all right yeah at
982
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:30,640
some point but yeah like that was that
983
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:33,639
was like it was just a feeling in the
984
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:36,000
song and you
985
00:44:33,639 --> 00:44:38,558
know Kendrick really got it he really
986
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:43,318
understood it who knew that it was going
987
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:45,240
to go on and represent the feeling and
988
00:44:43,318 --> 00:44:47,558
thought of the
989
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:50,039
culture in the air that time yeah the
990
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:53,000
timing was unbelievable whoa would you
991
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:55,920
say you live more in your head or your
992
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:58,920
body you know most of my life I lived in
993
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:05,240
my head I think I'm now just starting to
994
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:08,400
explore the energy Departments of my
995
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,159
body I was also less concerned with like
996
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:13,599
my
997
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:16,598
chakras and now like I think about those
998
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:20,480
yeah as I think about my
999
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:23,400
organs and I think about like having
1000
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,400
everything work in
1001
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:29,039
harmony the things the esoteric readings
1002
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:32,280
that you know the egri casy esoteric
1003
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:38,318
readings that I would like into you
1004
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:39,880
know in my late 20s are now like M like
1005
00:45:38,318 --> 00:45:42,358
I'm not just curious about it I'm I
1006
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:46,160
actually live it yeah I want my organs
1007
00:45:42,358 --> 00:45:49,400
to be in line so that I can vibrate
1008
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:51,879
harmoniously and be yeah human being
1009
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,760
yeah and be yeah that that's also a verb
1010
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:57,519
and a
1011
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:58,839
noun being and I also want to like Le by
1012
00:45:57,519 --> 00:46:03,480
example you
1013
00:45:58,838 --> 00:46:03,480
know tell me about your relationship to
1014
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:09,598
Rhythm um I've always had a relationship
1015
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:11,199
to Rhythm I think I got like add just
1016
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:15,079
never was
1017
00:46:11,199 --> 00:46:16,399
diagnosed and so I was always like and a
1018
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:21,599
little bit of
1019
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:21,599
ADHD when what you get distracted by is
1020
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:28,599
music then you you you ask yourself okay
1021
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:31,720
is it ADHD or is it inspiration
1022
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:34,760
you know inspiration and
1023
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:37,039
drive I was always hearing like drum
1024
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,319
patterns but if you think about it I
1025
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:42,880
mean you say drums your primary
1026
00:46:39,318 --> 00:46:45,119
instrument yeah if you think about it
1027
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,760
you know the universe is ruled
1028
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:49,800
by
1029
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:51,319
Rhythm the solar system is what it is
1030
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,280
the planets stay in the pattern that
1031
00:46:51,318 --> 00:46:57,440
they're in even the Sun the planets
1032
00:46:54,280 --> 00:47:01,119
around it like it can all be measured to
1033
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:05,000
a beat there are stages which is what a
1034
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:08,640
technically a beat would be um but we
1035
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:12,039
have a pulse we have a
1036
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:15,078
heartbeat and we're born with the
1037
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:18,960
Rhythm I mean the beginning of the
1038
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:22,079
universe is described as a
1039
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:25,400
sound the big bang that would mean
1040
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:28,839
that's the start of the beat of all the
1041
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,838
of everything that exists
1042
00:47:30,358 --> 00:47:33,480
the universe thought it would a beat
1043
00:47:31,838 --> 00:47:36,239
yeah and then the beat dropped is what
1044
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:41,280
the Bible says
1045
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:44,078
yeah yeah how is um programmed music
1046
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:47,000
different than human played music two
1047
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:49,839
different things one I mean programed
1048
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:53,400
music is amazing but man when human
1049
00:47:49,838 --> 00:47:56,119
beings lock in is a feeling that you get
1050
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,000
from it no machines can make what you
1051
00:47:56,119 --> 00:48:00,318
described in the church Church what'll
1052
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,920
be scary is when AI gets to that
1053
00:48:00,318 --> 00:48:06,400
place can it
1054
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,599
yeah anything that is
1055
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:12,079
conceivable can
1056
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:15,000
happen tell me about the tall hats that
1057
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:16,160
was a Vivian Westwood hat I was inspired
1058
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,679
by Malcolm
1059
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:22,558
McLaren um his Buffalo
1060
00:48:18,679 --> 00:48:25,118
hat and um it's such a cool hat yeah
1061
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:27,200
that was like 10 years ago gamechanging
1062
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:29,358
hat though I never saw how like that
1063
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:32,358
before yeah I was
1064
00:48:29,358 --> 00:48:33,880
crazy I go through my phases of like
1065
00:48:32,358 --> 00:48:35,239
moments where you can't tell me nothing
1066
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,119
I'm going to wear it regardless of the
1067
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,439
WEA I don't care what you think I wish
1068
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:41,680
you out again and then when but then
1069
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:46,720
when I'm off it I'm off it yeah yeah and
1070
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:50,759
I'm off it tell me about um fashion in
1071
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:54,039
Hip-Hop Hip-Hop has been like one of the
1072
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:57,520
greatest fashion shows and
1073
00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:59,838
displays my friend Eric Paul
1074
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:03,960
when he was
1075
00:48:59,838 --> 00:49:07,679
young uh he and I used to listen to the
1076
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:09,400
Beasty Boys License to Ill record back
1077
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:12,759
in Salem
1078
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:15,240
Village um on repeat why we just skated
1079
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:21,280
all day every day and this is like you
1080
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:25,199
know hooy Power perela Times Rob rasop
1081
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:27,798
like Tony Hawk decks and independent
1082
00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:30,318
trucks and back then it was like if you
1083
00:49:27,798 --> 00:49:33,159
skated Street you skated on 85s if you
1084
00:49:30,318 --> 00:49:34,920
skated on the ramp you skated 92s which
1085
00:49:33,159 --> 00:49:37,719
was in between but then there was also
1086
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:40,200
97s and 99s which was super hard like
1087
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,199
that was my life yeah and listening to
1088
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:44,639
the Beasty Boys and reading the Rick
1089
00:49:42,199 --> 00:49:46,399
rubben name I can't believe I'm sitting
1090
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:49,960
here right
1091
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:52,000
now like the Run DMC music and then when
1092
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:55,358
you so you think about all the clothes
1093
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:58,079
like I wanted a jean jacket because Mike
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D wore a jean jacket
1095
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you know back when he had like the uh
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00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:06,679
the Volkswagen the Volkswagen like charm
1097
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:08,559
on his you know that was everything man
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you know or the idea that I'm with
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Adidas now
1100
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:18,159
and that record my Adidas was everything
1101
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:20,358
and we wanted it that my Adidas record
1102
00:50:18,159 --> 00:50:22,318
changed the conversation from from Puma
1103
00:50:20,358 --> 00:50:25,000
back then I mean you know love and
1104
00:50:22,318 --> 00:50:27,519
respect to Puma but like that changed
1105
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:31,440
the conversation and they actually that
1106
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:35,639
record saved the Adidas business wow so
1107
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:37,679
yeah Hip Hop was like the stage for like
1108
00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:41,798
fashion what do you think the biggest
1109
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:44,399
misconception about you is that I'm a
1110
00:50:41,798 --> 00:50:46,679
tech and I'm so
1111
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:51,079
not I'm the
1112
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:53,719
worst I use technology as much as I need
1113
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:57,760
to what's your favorite place on the
1114
00:50:53,719 --> 00:51:02,118
planet Tokyo really yeah
1115
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:04,599
why the humility is so thick there so
1116
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:07,318
it's the people the humility is as thick
1117
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:09,798
as the humidity is what do you do
1118
00:51:07,318 --> 00:51:12,239
outside of your creative life that has
1119
00:51:09,798 --> 00:51:16,039
the most impact on your creative
1120
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:19,679
life pray beautiful what do you what's
1121
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:22,838
the Rhythm God is the greatest for
1122
00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:25,399
me I have these very long
1123
00:51:22,838 --> 00:51:28,119
prayers that I pray in the morning
1124
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:30,720
they're very very very long
1125
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:33,200
there's two different ones and I do them
1126
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:35,719
both every morning when did you start
1127
00:51:33,199 --> 00:51:38,719
doing them I think they just developed
1128
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:40,879
over the last 20 some years I pray for
1129
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,639
people that I don't even talk to anymore
1130
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,880
just lost contact whatever whatever but
1131
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:47,879
they just remain in my prayers the
1132
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,880
prayers are just very cemented in my
1133
00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:57,640
mind God is the
1134
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:57,639
greatest and I am grateful yeah
1135
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,720
blessings big bro love you sir yes sir
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man you too thank you so
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much pleasure
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