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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:25,651 --> 00:00:27,319 Well, here's something your children may be reading 4 00:00:27,319 --> 00:00:28,862 that you should definitely know about. 5 00:00:28,862 --> 00:00:30,113 It's a shocking magazine 6 00:00:30,113 --> 00:00:31,907 that tells you how to commit suicide, 7 00:00:31,907 --> 00:00:33,242 tells you all about drug use, 8 00:00:33,242 --> 00:00:35,494 and also explicit descriptions of sex. 9 00:00:35,494 --> 00:00:36,620 It may seem hard to believe, 10 00:00:36,620 --> 00:00:38,956 but this magazine is really aimed at kids. 11 00:00:38,956 --> 00:00:39,873 ♪ 12 00:00:39,873 --> 00:00:41,500 When Big Brother came out, 13 00:00:41,500 --> 00:00:43,835 it was like pushing the boundaries 14 00:00:43,835 --> 00:00:45,754 of not only the level of skateboarding, 15 00:00:45,754 --> 00:00:48,674 but it was a true window 16 00:00:48,674 --> 00:00:51,677 into what these skaters were really like. 17 00:00:51,677 --> 00:00:56,181 It felt so edgy and you felt cool by reading it. 18 00:00:56,181 --> 00:00:58,809 Like I felt like I was in on something 19 00:00:58,809 --> 00:01:03,230 that my other friends who didn't skate 20 00:01:03,230 --> 00:01:05,357 were missing out on. 21 00:01:05,357 --> 00:01:07,359 That shit influenced everything 22 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:09,611 to this fucking day. 23 00:01:09,611 --> 00:01:12,864 It forever changed the face of pop culture. 24 00:01:12,864 --> 00:01:14,575 Fuck just skateboarding. 25 00:01:14,575 --> 00:01:15,492 ♪ 26 00:01:15,492 --> 00:01:16,743 I found a whole group of guys 27 00:01:16,743 --> 00:01:18,787 that I really liked and respected 28 00:01:18,787 --> 00:01:21,623 and were... 29 00:01:21,623 --> 00:01:25,002 like, high level functioning pieces of shit. 30 00:01:25,002 --> 00:01:26,211 ♪ 31 00:01:26,211 --> 00:01:28,880 It really opened Pandora's Box of like, 32 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,133 "Man, this is really entertaining 33 00:01:31,133 --> 00:01:34,219 when people take it to this level." 34 00:01:34,219 --> 00:01:35,971 Every aspect of what we did 35 00:01:35,971 --> 00:01:38,932 was unprofessional and amateur. 36 00:01:38,932 --> 00:01:41,476 Sparked so many like talented, creative people, 37 00:01:41,476 --> 00:01:43,312 like Jackass came out of that. 38 00:01:43,312 --> 00:01:45,188 Jackass before Jackass. 39 00:01:45,188 --> 00:01:46,356 (laughs) 40 00:01:46,356 --> 00:01:47,858 ♪ 41 00:01:47,858 --> 00:01:49,484 ♪ Free styler ♪ 42 00:01:49,484 --> 00:01:50,569 ♪ 43 00:01:50,569 --> 00:01:52,529 ♪ Rock the microphone ♪ 44 00:01:52,529 --> 00:01:55,407 ♪ Carry on with the freestyler ♪ 45 00:01:55,407 --> 00:01:57,409 ♪ 46 00:01:57,409 --> 00:01:59,745 ♪ I got to throw on and go on ♪ 47 00:01:59,745 --> 00:02:01,246 ♪ You know I got to flow on ♪ 48 00:02:01,246 --> 00:02:03,248 ♪ Selectors on ya, radio play us ♪ 49 00:02:03,248 --> 00:02:04,291 ♪ 'Cause we're friendly ♪ 50 00:02:04,291 --> 00:02:05,334 ♪ You carry protection 51 00:02:05,334 --> 00:02:06,752 or will your heart go on ♪ 52 00:02:06,752 --> 00:02:09,629 ♪ Like Celine Dion, Karma Chameleon ♪ 53 00:02:09,629 --> 00:02:12,090 ♪ Yeah, straight from the top of my dome ♪ 54 00:02:12,090 --> 00:02:13,759 ♪ As I rock‐rock, rock‐rock, 55 00:02:13,759 --> 00:02:15,302 rock the microphone ♪ 56 00:02:15,302 --> 00:02:17,929 ♪ Yeah, straight from the top of my dome ♪ 57 00:02:17,929 --> 00:02:19,681 ♪ As I rock‐rock, rock‐rock, 58 00:02:19,681 --> 00:02:21,224 rock the microphone ♪♪ 59 00:02:21,224 --> 00:02:44,915 ♪ 60 00:02:44,915 --> 00:02:46,083 (gunshot) 61 00:02:46,083 --> 00:02:48,794 ♪ 62 00:02:48,794 --> 00:02:51,213 Christian's getting ready to bring it on. 63 00:02:51,213 --> 00:02:53,215 This is a big matchup, they need your support. 64 00:02:53,215 --> 00:02:55,467 Let's hear it out there as they get ready. 65 00:02:55,467 --> 00:02:57,010 Christian Hosoi. 66 00:02:57,010 --> 00:02:58,887 (cheering) 67 00:02:58,887 --> 00:03:00,806 In the late '80s, skateboarding was huge. 68 00:03:00,806 --> 00:03:03,183 Christian Hosoi! 69 00:03:03,183 --> 00:03:05,811 And pros were like rockstars. 70 00:03:05,811 --> 00:03:07,479 Let's go, let's go. 71 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:09,564 By the time the '90s hit, 72 00:03:09,564 --> 00:03:11,650 the whole thing just took a fucking nosedive 73 00:03:11,650 --> 00:03:13,276 and the industry almost collapsed. 74 00:03:13,276 --> 00:03:14,194 ♪ 75 00:03:14,194 --> 00:03:16,571 Skateboards were a trend toy. 76 00:03:16,571 --> 00:03:18,740 They were a yo‐yo, a hula hoop. 77 00:03:18,740 --> 00:03:20,492 And all of the little kids who had been fueling 78 00:03:20,492 --> 00:03:22,119 the skateboard industry 79 00:03:22,119 --> 00:03:24,162 took their money to rollerblading 80 00:03:24,162 --> 00:03:26,748 or whatever the next stupid trend was. 81 00:03:26,748 --> 00:03:27,916 ♪ 82 00:03:27,916 --> 00:03:30,085 Yeah, '91 was kind of rough for me. 83 00:03:30,085 --> 00:03:31,461 I was still trying to make a career 84 00:03:31,461 --> 00:03:33,046 as a pro skater. 85 00:03:33,046 --> 00:03:35,340 I had a huge mortgage payment that I couldn't afford 86 00:03:35,340 --> 00:03:38,802 and basically I was just kind of hunkering down 87 00:03:38,802 --> 00:03:41,012 and eating Top Ramen and Taco Bell. 88 00:03:41,012 --> 00:03:42,514 Well, at the time Big Brother launched 89 00:03:42,514 --> 00:03:45,809 it was just Thrasher and Transworld. 90 00:03:45,809 --> 00:03:46,768 ♪ 91 00:03:46,768 --> 00:03:48,019 Transworld was considered 92 00:03:48,019 --> 00:03:49,938 more the goody two‐shoes magazine 93 00:03:49,938 --> 00:03:52,357 and very Southern California‐centric. 94 00:03:52,357 --> 00:03:55,694 And then Thrasher was the hardcore or the punk, 95 00:03:55,694 --> 00:03:57,988 you know, the guys that are in the van drinking 96 00:03:57,988 --> 00:03:59,781 and very NorCal‐centric. 97 00:03:59,781 --> 00:04:01,533 I just remember Transworld and Thrasher 98 00:04:01,533 --> 00:04:03,577 were pretty boring. 99 00:04:03,577 --> 00:04:07,831 Because you get sick of the same, you know, 100 00:04:07,831 --> 00:04:10,125 nonsense in every skateboard magazine. 101 00:04:10,125 --> 00:04:11,418 Action trick, action trick, 102 00:04:11,418 --> 00:04:14,212 ad, ad, action trick. 103 00:04:14,212 --> 00:04:15,964 There wasn't anything in skateboard magazines 104 00:04:15,964 --> 00:04:19,217 that pertained to any of the rest of your life. 105 00:04:19,217 --> 00:04:21,470 Skateboarding was struggling as a whole. 106 00:04:21,470 --> 00:04:25,098 And I don't know, it seemed like 107 00:04:25,098 --> 00:04:28,643 there was a need for something new. 108 00:04:28,643 --> 00:04:30,270 ♪ 109 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:31,646 During this bleak period, 110 00:04:31,646 --> 00:04:33,398 Steve Rocco and his skateboard company, 111 00:04:33,398 --> 00:04:34,399 World Industries, 112 00:04:34,399 --> 00:04:36,610 kind of rose out of the ashes. 113 00:04:36,610 --> 00:04:37,736 ♪ 114 00:04:37,736 --> 00:04:40,155 Skateboarding itself was changing. 115 00:04:40,155 --> 00:04:45,035 And it was going less from vert 116 00:04:45,035 --> 00:04:46,870 and more to street. 117 00:04:46,870 --> 00:04:51,041 And the big companies were sort of oblivious of it. 118 00:04:51,041 --> 00:04:52,876 It was just the beginning of the end 119 00:04:52,876 --> 00:04:54,294 for those big companies 120 00:04:54,294 --> 00:04:56,213 and it was the start for us. 121 00:04:56,213 --> 00:04:57,589 ♪ 122 00:04:57,589 --> 00:05:00,675 You know, Rocco's the ultimate provocateur. 123 00:05:00,675 --> 00:05:01,885 The creation of World Industries 124 00:05:01,885 --> 00:05:04,304 came out of wanting to, like, 125 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:06,389 spite the skateboard industry, 126 00:05:06,389 --> 00:05:07,974 but in a really funny way. 127 00:05:07,974 --> 00:05:09,643 ♪ 128 00:05:09,643 --> 00:05:11,228 Steve Rocco's advertising, 129 00:05:11,228 --> 00:05:13,271 his approach to advertising and marketing 130 00:05:13,271 --> 00:05:16,817 and the way he, you know, promoted his company 131 00:05:16,817 --> 00:05:19,569 affected the entire industry. 132 00:05:19,569 --> 00:05:20,946 Either you reacted to it 133 00:05:20,946 --> 00:05:22,572 or you kind of jumped on the bandwagon 134 00:05:22,572 --> 00:05:24,616 and did the same type of advertising. 135 00:05:24,616 --> 00:05:25,659 And if you didn't, 136 00:05:25,659 --> 00:05:27,786 you were totally out of the mix, 137 00:05:27,786 --> 00:05:29,329 you know? 138 00:05:29,329 --> 00:05:30,789 I always looked at World Industries 139 00:05:30,789 --> 00:05:33,542 as this more cutting‐edge type brand. 140 00:05:33,542 --> 00:05:35,961 The graphics were just super compelling and unique 141 00:05:35,961 --> 00:05:38,088 and just felt more... 142 00:05:38,088 --> 00:05:40,257 ♪ 143 00:05:40,257 --> 00:05:41,758 ...sorry, edgy. 144 00:05:41,758 --> 00:05:43,051 (laughs) 145 00:05:43,051 --> 00:05:44,469 The thing that Rocco was smart about 146 00:05:44,469 --> 00:05:46,304 was keeping his fucking finger on the pulse 147 00:05:46,304 --> 00:05:47,764 of what the kids were into, 148 00:05:47,764 --> 00:05:48,807 what the kids were doing, 149 00:05:48,807 --> 00:05:51,059 how the kids feel about shit. 150 00:05:51,059 --> 00:05:53,144 And he didn't have anything to lose. 151 00:05:53,144 --> 00:05:54,354 So, I think that was it. 152 00:05:54,354 --> 00:05:56,064 Everyone else had too many things 153 00:05:56,064 --> 00:05:57,399 they were beholden to 154 00:05:57,399 --> 00:06:01,194 or no one wanted to be that irreverent. 155 00:06:01,194 --> 00:06:02,988 ♪ 156 00:06:02,988 --> 00:06:06,366 By 1992, Steve Rocco and his companies, 157 00:06:06,366 --> 00:06:08,451 they had totally taken over the industry. 158 00:06:08,451 --> 00:06:10,912 They were outselling everybody else. 159 00:06:10,912 --> 00:06:12,122 ♪ 160 00:06:12,122 --> 00:06:15,208 God, it was like the Wild West, I guess. 161 00:06:15,208 --> 00:06:17,335 It was pretty much the heyday 162 00:06:17,335 --> 00:06:18,670 of the skater‐owned companies 163 00:06:18,670 --> 00:06:21,089 and everybody was just doing what they wanted. 164 00:06:21,089 --> 00:06:22,424 It's just an amazing feeling. 165 00:06:22,424 --> 00:06:24,551 No one can tell you no. 166 00:06:24,551 --> 00:06:26,845 So why did you decide to start the magazine? 167 00:06:28,346 --> 00:06:30,974 Basically because I was told no. 168 00:06:30,974 --> 00:06:32,100 ♪ 169 00:06:32,100 --> 00:06:33,685 We wanted to run an ad. 170 00:06:33,685 --> 00:06:36,021 It was one of our skaters 171 00:06:36,021 --> 00:06:39,441 and he was trying to do this really hard trick 172 00:06:39,441 --> 00:06:40,901 and he kept missing. 173 00:06:40,901 --> 00:06:42,986 And then the next page was him 174 00:06:42,986 --> 00:06:44,863 with, like, a gun to his head, 175 00:06:44,863 --> 00:06:46,740 going to kill himself. 176 00:06:46,740 --> 00:06:48,033 Transworld wouldn't run it 177 00:06:48,033 --> 00:06:49,784 because Larry Balma had a friend 178 00:06:49,784 --> 00:06:52,120 who had killed himself in high school, 179 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,039 which is a bummer, I mean, God. 180 00:06:54,039 --> 00:06:55,415 And I think that was the problem 181 00:06:55,415 --> 00:06:57,292 with the endemic mags at the time 182 00:06:57,292 --> 00:06:58,835 before Big Brother is, 183 00:06:58,835 --> 00:07:01,212 you had a couple of guys in control of 'em, 184 00:07:01,212 --> 00:07:05,550 and they were editing what we saw and didn't see. 185 00:07:05,550 --> 00:07:07,636 So Steve Rocco was like, "Fuck you. 186 00:07:07,636 --> 00:07:09,220 I'm going to go make my own magazine 187 00:07:09,220 --> 00:07:11,473 and I'm going to do whatever the fuck I want." 188 00:07:11,473 --> 00:07:12,557 When we heard that, we just thought, 189 00:07:12,557 --> 00:07:13,600 "Oh, that's funny, ha‐ha, 190 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:14,809 you're not starting anything," 191 00:07:14,809 --> 00:07:16,561 kind of thing. 192 00:07:16,561 --> 00:07:17,854 But then he did. 193 00:07:17,854 --> 00:07:20,315 In hindsight, obviously I overreacted a bit, 194 00:07:20,315 --> 00:07:21,816 but I mean... 195 00:07:21,816 --> 00:07:23,068 ♪ 196 00:07:23,068 --> 00:07:24,194 I suppose it was fun. 197 00:07:24,194 --> 00:07:26,237 I mean, we were working in that warehouse 198 00:07:26,237 --> 00:07:27,572 with the skate park, 199 00:07:27,572 --> 00:07:30,367 and so there was a lot of activity there. 200 00:07:30,367 --> 00:07:33,036 And we just set up a desk and, you know, 201 00:07:33,036 --> 00:07:36,289 our mandate was to put out a magazine of some sort. 202 00:07:36,289 --> 00:07:38,958 So we just made it up. 203 00:07:38,958 --> 00:07:40,335 I think the whole thing was just like, 204 00:07:40,335 --> 00:07:41,419 "Okay, we've got a magazine, 205 00:07:41,419 --> 00:07:42,671 we're going to fuckin' say fuck 206 00:07:42,671 --> 00:07:44,798 as many fuckin' times as we want. 207 00:07:44,798 --> 00:07:47,092 So the whole first page was just 208 00:07:47,092 --> 00:07:51,137 an excuse to use the word fuck, so... 209 00:07:51,137 --> 00:07:52,263 ♪ 210 00:07:52,263 --> 00:07:54,432 I think Rocco thought it's... 211 00:07:54,432 --> 00:07:56,184 Well, he definitely thought it should‐‐ 212 00:07:56,184 --> 00:07:59,562 should be more pushing outward on ideas, 213 00:07:59,562 --> 00:08:01,648 and we were more, uh, 214 00:08:01,648 --> 00:08:04,025 just futzing around and shoegazing. 215 00:08:04,025 --> 00:08:05,276 ♪ 216 00:08:05,276 --> 00:08:06,778 It was a disaster. 217 00:08:06,778 --> 00:08:07,946 (laughs) 218 00:08:07,946 --> 00:08:10,532 It was great, but it was a disaster. 219 00:08:10,532 --> 00:08:12,867 I remember the first one being free 220 00:08:12,867 --> 00:08:14,160 because, like, 221 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,413 the quality was so shitty. 222 00:08:16,413 --> 00:08:18,289 And I remember the sticker on the front, like, 223 00:08:18,289 --> 00:08:19,416 "The people who made this magazine 224 00:08:19,416 --> 00:08:20,458 didn't know what they were doing, 225 00:08:20,458 --> 00:08:22,544 so we're giving it away." 226 00:08:22,544 --> 00:08:23,920 I guess the spirit of the first one 227 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,505 was more just, like, 228 00:08:25,505 --> 00:08:28,007 just the act of it was rebellious. 229 00:08:28,007 --> 00:08:30,176 But it didn't really become Big Brother 230 00:08:30,176 --> 00:08:33,638 until Tremaine came on and did issue number two. 231 00:08:33,638 --> 00:08:36,725 I met Spike Jonze when he was 12 232 00:08:36,725 --> 00:08:40,645 and I was 15 or 14. 233 00:08:40,645 --> 00:08:42,147 He moved out to California 234 00:08:42,147 --> 00:08:44,023 where he got his filmmaking career started 235 00:08:44,023 --> 00:08:47,110 at World Industries making videos. 236 00:08:47,110 --> 00:08:48,403 So I introduced him to Rocco, 237 00:08:48,403 --> 00:08:49,654 but I don't think even at the time 238 00:08:49,654 --> 00:08:51,990 I fully understood how perfect 239 00:08:51,990 --> 00:08:53,491 Tremaine's sensibility would be 240 00:08:53,491 --> 00:08:55,952 for Big Brother. 241 00:08:55,952 --> 00:08:58,413 So when I first got hired, it was a staff of one. 242 00:08:58,413 --> 00:08:59,998 It's just me. 243 00:08:59,998 --> 00:09:01,249 And I don't write. 244 00:09:01,249 --> 00:09:03,752 But I met Marc McKee and Sean Cliver. 245 00:09:03,752 --> 00:09:05,545 They were artists for World Industries, 246 00:09:05,545 --> 00:09:07,464 really responsible for a lot 247 00:09:07,464 --> 00:09:10,550 of the fuck you attitude that World had. 248 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:12,719 And they were able to translate that attitude 249 00:09:12,719 --> 00:09:15,180 into the pages of Big Brother. 250 00:09:15,180 --> 00:09:18,516 I never had any formal writing training 251 00:09:18,516 --> 00:09:20,977 or aspirations, but it was fun. 252 00:09:20,977 --> 00:09:23,063 It was just fun to do. 253 00:09:23,063 --> 00:09:25,231 And I'd always been a skater. 254 00:09:25,231 --> 00:09:26,357 Yeah! 255 00:09:26,357 --> 00:09:28,068 I have like kind of an obsession 256 00:09:28,068 --> 00:09:29,360 with grammar and spelling, 257 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:30,695 so, I mean, I really like writing, 258 00:09:30,695 --> 00:09:33,782 and so that's something that I was stoked to do. 259 00:09:33,782 --> 00:09:35,366 ♪ 260 00:09:35,366 --> 00:09:37,368 And punctuation. 261 00:09:37,368 --> 00:09:41,372 Jeff took up residence in the magazine office 262 00:09:41,372 --> 00:09:42,457 at the skate park. 263 00:09:42,457 --> 00:09:46,127 And probably within the first week he was there, 264 00:09:46,127 --> 00:09:48,797 Earl Parker washed up on the doorstep. 265 00:09:50,048 --> 00:09:53,051 He had a 'zine called Polyurethane Monthly 266 00:09:53,051 --> 00:09:54,469 that he sent to me. 267 00:09:54,469 --> 00:09:55,595 And it was actually pretty neat, 268 00:09:55,595 --> 00:09:57,639 just kind of small adventures 269 00:09:57,639 --> 00:09:59,182 that he and his crew would go on 270 00:09:59,182 --> 00:10:00,725 and end up some skateboarding 271 00:10:00,725 --> 00:10:02,644 and some, like, mischief. 272 00:10:02,644 --> 00:10:04,229 And I thought he had a neat take 273 00:10:04,229 --> 00:10:06,731 on the writing style and on skateboarding. 274 00:10:06,731 --> 00:10:08,608 Before the internet, a lot of skaters 275 00:10:08,608 --> 00:10:11,694 would pretty much make these homemade 'zines 276 00:10:11,694 --> 00:10:13,738 on a Xerox machine. 277 00:10:13,738 --> 00:10:15,657 It was really the best way 278 00:10:15,657 --> 00:10:16,741 to show what's happening 279 00:10:16,741 --> 00:10:18,576 in your local skate scene. 280 00:10:18,576 --> 00:10:19,786 I was a subscriber, 281 00:10:19,786 --> 00:10:21,788 so I sent in money in an envelope, 282 00:10:21,788 --> 00:10:22,914 like cash in an envelope, 283 00:10:22,914 --> 00:10:25,708 and then I would get them every month. 284 00:10:25,708 --> 00:10:26,793 And it was well‐written 285 00:10:26,793 --> 00:10:29,587 and it was these sketchy pictures 286 00:10:29,587 --> 00:10:31,965 and it was very punk rock. 287 00:10:31,965 --> 00:10:33,341 I can see based on his creativity 288 00:10:33,341 --> 00:10:35,760 why they want him to be involved in Big Brother, 289 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,137 but I had never actually met him though, 290 00:10:37,137 --> 00:10:40,306 so I didn't know how out there he was. 291 00:10:40,306 --> 00:10:42,016 ♪ 292 00:10:42,016 --> 00:10:44,310 All throughout those days in the 1990s, 293 00:10:44,310 --> 00:10:45,895 I just lived at the offices. 294 00:10:45,895 --> 00:10:48,481 I would just ride a bike or walk around 295 00:10:48,481 --> 00:10:51,401 and crash at the offices and stuff. 296 00:10:53,278 --> 00:10:54,779 Just sleep on your desk? 297 00:10:54,779 --> 00:10:57,365 I would sleep under my desk, yeah. 298 00:10:57,365 --> 00:10:59,325 What you doing? 299 00:10:59,325 --> 00:11:00,702 Nothin'. 300 00:11:00,702 --> 00:11:02,787 When Earl moved out to California, 301 00:11:02,787 --> 00:11:05,623 he didn't have a home, he didn't have any money. 302 00:11:05,623 --> 00:11:07,917 So when Tremaine would come into work in the morning, 303 00:11:07,917 --> 00:11:09,460 he usually stopped at a gas station 304 00:11:09,460 --> 00:11:11,629 and he would pick Earl up some food. 305 00:11:11,629 --> 00:11:12,839 And I bought him, 306 00:11:12,839 --> 00:11:16,885 you know those big, pink Sno Balls? 307 00:11:16,885 --> 00:11:19,262 Like the grossest food I could find. 308 00:11:19,262 --> 00:11:21,806 And to wash that down, I found this blue soda, 309 00:11:21,806 --> 00:11:23,099 it was Windex blue, 310 00:11:23,099 --> 00:11:25,310 it was the only blue drink at the time. 311 00:11:25,310 --> 00:11:27,645 Every day I would pick 'em up, pink and blue, 312 00:11:27,645 --> 00:11:30,481 and give it to him, that's his sustenance. 313 00:11:30,481 --> 00:11:33,234 So I was sort of experimenting on this kid. 314 00:11:33,234 --> 00:11:34,986 Because I could, like, what the fuck? 315 00:11:34,986 --> 00:11:37,572 In the earliest days of the magazine, 316 00:11:37,572 --> 00:11:39,741 a lot of times we'd subsist off food 317 00:11:39,741 --> 00:11:43,369 from gas stations that we called Ultima. 318 00:11:43,369 --> 00:11:44,954 And the guys would buy me 319 00:11:44,954 --> 00:11:46,497 all this really strange stuff 320 00:11:46,497 --> 00:11:48,666 and make me eat it and drink it. 321 00:11:48,666 --> 00:11:50,210 And I still live‐‐ 322 00:11:50,210 --> 00:11:51,836 I still live that way to this day. 323 00:11:51,836 --> 00:11:54,130 I shop at a gas station every day. 324 00:11:55,673 --> 00:11:57,508 All right, so I had three writers, 325 00:11:57,508 --> 00:12:00,345 but what I really needed was a full‐time photographer. 326 00:12:00,345 --> 00:12:02,305 And that's when I met Rick Kosick. 327 00:12:02,305 --> 00:12:04,390 I'd been shooting for different magazines, 328 00:12:04,390 --> 00:12:05,808 and when the Big Brother guys 329 00:12:05,808 --> 00:12:08,019 came and asked me to shoot for them, 330 00:12:08,019 --> 00:12:09,354 I was psyched 331 00:12:09,354 --> 00:12:11,022 'cause that was Rocco's magazine 332 00:12:11,022 --> 00:12:14,067 and I wanted to be a part of that excitement. 333 00:12:14,067 --> 00:12:15,360 I mean, almost immediately, 334 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,278 like the little 'zine was just like whatever, 335 00:12:17,278 --> 00:12:19,364 but that second issue that came out, 336 00:12:19,364 --> 00:12:20,448 like you just kind of knew like, 337 00:12:20,448 --> 00:12:23,076 "Holy shit, this is a fuckin' real magazine." 338 00:12:23,076 --> 00:12:26,287 I mean, it was just raw as shit out of the gate. 339 00:12:26,287 --> 00:12:27,872 (scream‐singing) 340 00:12:27,872 --> 00:12:29,666 I loved Transworld and Thrasher, 341 00:12:29,666 --> 00:12:32,877 but, uh, there was just something about Big Brother. 342 00:12:32,877 --> 00:12:35,213 Like, I liked the goofiness, 343 00:12:35,213 --> 00:12:37,048 the articles in between. 344 00:12:37,048 --> 00:12:38,758 ♪ 345 00:12:38,758 --> 00:12:40,927 Big Brother was like, 346 00:12:40,927 --> 00:12:43,888 like we literally don't care 347 00:12:43,888 --> 00:12:45,139 about anything. 348 00:12:45,139 --> 00:12:46,557 Skateboarding happens to be in here, 349 00:12:46,557 --> 00:12:49,727 but we're going to show you disgusting, foul, crazy. 350 00:12:49,727 --> 00:12:52,897 We're going to figure out what can we create 351 00:12:52,897 --> 00:12:55,024 that'll make you cringe or blow your mind 352 00:12:55,024 --> 00:12:56,276 or your parents'll hate 353 00:12:56,276 --> 00:12:57,277 or you'll get in trouble 354 00:12:57,277 --> 00:12:59,320 for even having this magazine. 355 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,155 There was always something in every issue 356 00:13:01,155 --> 00:13:02,657 that was like breaking some boundary, 357 00:13:02,657 --> 00:13:04,701 something that no one was supposed to do 358 00:13:04,701 --> 00:13:05,660 and they were doing it. 359 00:13:05,660 --> 00:13:08,121 As a young, rebellious skate kid, 360 00:13:08,121 --> 00:13:09,163 like, I loved that. 361 00:13:09,163 --> 00:13:12,583 They were funny, they were, like, really funny. 362 00:13:12,583 --> 00:13:15,044 It was a combination of both 363 00:13:15,044 --> 00:13:18,339 intelligent people with a good sense of humor, 364 00:13:18,339 --> 00:13:19,424 which is a perfect marriage. 365 00:13:19,424 --> 00:13:20,425 And they skate. 366 00:13:20,425 --> 00:13:22,260 I read everything in those magazines, 367 00:13:22,260 --> 00:13:24,095 every last word. 368 00:13:24,095 --> 00:13:26,764 No other magazine of any kind 369 00:13:26,764 --> 00:13:30,268 had the subversive sense of humor, 370 00:13:30,268 --> 00:13:33,104 and that was what was, I think, 371 00:13:33,104 --> 00:13:35,773 ultimately what I took away from it the most. 372 00:13:35,773 --> 00:13:36,691 ♪ 373 00:13:36,691 --> 00:13:39,569 Also, there was nudity in it. 374 00:13:39,569 --> 00:13:41,446 Rocco really wanted tits in the magazine too. 375 00:13:41,446 --> 00:13:42,530 He thought it was really important 376 00:13:42,530 --> 00:13:44,449 that the skaters want boobs, you know, 377 00:13:44,449 --> 00:13:46,117 they want to be able to see boobs. 378 00:13:46,117 --> 00:13:49,620 And as a 10 or 11‐year‐old, 379 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:53,124 is really meaningful at that time. 380 00:13:53,124 --> 00:13:54,292 'Cause we didn't look at, like, 381 00:13:54,292 --> 00:13:55,918 things with hot girls, really. 382 00:13:55,918 --> 00:13:57,128 Like all we did was skate 383 00:13:57,128 --> 00:13:59,297 and look at skate magazines. 384 00:13:59,297 --> 00:14:00,882 They were covering hardcore skating 385 00:14:00,882 --> 00:14:04,719 but also guys drinking and smoking and partying. 386 00:14:04,719 --> 00:14:06,304 And I guess it was more in tune 387 00:14:06,304 --> 00:14:08,765 with what skating was back then. 388 00:14:08,765 --> 00:14:11,142 The kids were fuckin' out in the streets 389 00:14:11,142 --> 00:14:13,519 running fucking amuck. 390 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:14,729 ♪ 391 00:14:14,729 --> 00:14:16,647 These guys were all just delinquents 392 00:14:16,647 --> 00:14:18,316 and nobody ever showed that part. 393 00:14:18,316 --> 00:14:19,692 They showed, like, little bits 394 00:14:19,692 --> 00:14:20,693 and pieces of it, 395 00:14:20,693 --> 00:14:23,071 but it was really cool to see 396 00:14:23,071 --> 00:14:26,115 like all the other sides of, you know, the skaters, 397 00:14:26,115 --> 00:14:28,576 I mean, no matter how rotten it was. 398 00:14:28,576 --> 00:14:31,537 Big Brother came along and then it was like 399 00:14:31,537 --> 00:14:32,622 all bets are off. 400 00:14:32,622 --> 00:14:35,625 We'll say and do whatever the fuck we want. 401 00:14:35,625 --> 00:14:38,544 And it really did fuckin' scare a lot of people. 402 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:39,670 ♪ 403 00:14:39,670 --> 00:14:41,422 Was fuckin' rad, you know? 404 00:14:41,422 --> 00:14:42,799 They didn't give a fuck. 405 00:14:42,799 --> 00:14:44,926 They did fuckin' articles how to buy crack 406 00:14:44,926 --> 00:14:46,677 on the fuckin' street. 407 00:14:46,677 --> 00:14:48,930 It was a variety pack of fuckin' madness. 408 00:14:48,930 --> 00:14:50,556 It was sick. 409 00:14:50,556 --> 00:14:51,849 There was no rules. 410 00:14:51,849 --> 00:14:54,393 Like, we were self‐governed. 411 00:14:54,393 --> 00:14:55,978 We should have had more rules. 412 00:14:55,978 --> 00:14:57,271 (laughs) 413 00:14:57,271 --> 00:14:59,524 I didn't know anything about publishing 414 00:14:59,524 --> 00:15:01,025 when I was making Vice 415 00:15:01,025 --> 00:15:04,529 and I thought, "Well, you have to follow the rules." 416 00:15:04,529 --> 00:15:06,697 And I had a sort of eureka moment 417 00:15:06,697 --> 00:15:07,740 when I was looking at Big Brother 418 00:15:07,740 --> 00:15:10,076 and they had How to Do Lines and stuff 419 00:15:10,076 --> 00:15:11,285 and How to Party. 420 00:15:11,285 --> 00:15:14,372 And it was Pixy Stix of sugar. 421 00:15:14,372 --> 00:15:16,791 Totally wrong, probably completely illegal. 422 00:15:16,791 --> 00:15:19,252 You're really risking getting sued. 423 00:15:19,252 --> 00:15:20,545 Not only was it fucking hilarious, 424 00:15:20,545 --> 00:15:23,339 but it also showed the readership 425 00:15:23,339 --> 00:15:25,383 that this isn't a family magazine 426 00:15:25,383 --> 00:15:27,218 and we get you guys. 427 00:15:27,218 --> 00:15:28,177 (snorts) 428 00:15:28,177 --> 00:15:29,220 Oh, I got some up my nose. 429 00:15:29,220 --> 00:15:30,346 Did you get a rush? 430 00:15:30,346 --> 00:15:32,265 Yeah. 431 00:15:32,265 --> 00:15:35,893 And here I am becoming the editor of Transworld, 432 00:15:35,893 --> 00:15:37,228 and seeing, you know, Big Brother 433 00:15:37,228 --> 00:15:40,022 able to cuss and kind of, you know, 434 00:15:40,022 --> 00:15:41,858 a little more adult humor, 435 00:15:41,858 --> 00:15:43,234 stuff that we couldn't do at Transworld 436 00:15:43,234 --> 00:15:45,736 because the owners just wouldn't let us do it. 437 00:15:45,736 --> 00:15:47,864 It did make me, as a skateboarder, 438 00:15:47,864 --> 00:15:50,408 feel a little bit like 439 00:15:50,408 --> 00:15:52,034 kind of the pussy, I guess? 440 00:15:52,034 --> 00:15:54,078 It had a total, like, clubhouse atmosphere. 441 00:15:54,078 --> 00:15:56,664 Like you're like, "Oh, here's the characters." 442 00:15:56,664 --> 00:15:59,041 And they just wrote about themselves all day. 443 00:15:59,041 --> 00:16:00,543 Like half the shit is just them 444 00:16:00,543 --> 00:16:02,253 talking about themselves, 445 00:16:02,253 --> 00:16:03,963 and then these cool skaters 446 00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:06,132 who happen to be in the area 447 00:16:06,132 --> 00:16:07,425 get like kind of roped into it 448 00:16:07,425 --> 00:16:08,384 here and there. 449 00:16:08,384 --> 00:16:10,595 There was a soul behind the magazine. 450 00:16:10,595 --> 00:16:12,722 It wasn't just this magazine 451 00:16:12,722 --> 00:16:14,307 that words magically appeared in 452 00:16:14,307 --> 00:16:16,851 and photos just happen to be there. 453 00:16:16,851 --> 00:16:19,687 There was a face behind those words. 454 00:16:19,687 --> 00:16:22,315 That's what made it interesting. 455 00:16:22,315 --> 00:16:23,983 We had to fill the pages with something 456 00:16:23,983 --> 00:16:26,277 and we tried to fill it 457 00:16:26,277 --> 00:16:28,237 with skateboarding related stuff, 458 00:16:28,237 --> 00:16:31,616 but half the time it was just Rick's antics. 459 00:16:31,616 --> 00:16:33,993 It was just something we did to amuse ourselves, 460 00:16:33,993 --> 00:16:37,288 and it created content for the magazine. 461 00:16:37,288 --> 00:16:39,332 And that's how Rick became a character. 462 00:16:39,332 --> 00:16:41,209 ♪ 463 00:16:41,209 --> 00:16:42,460 I had more coverage in the magazine 464 00:16:42,460 --> 00:16:43,794 than a lot of pros at the time. 465 00:16:43,794 --> 00:16:44,795 (ringing) 466 00:16:44,795 --> 00:16:45,880 Oh, sorry, hold on a second. 467 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,633 But the most devastating thing 468 00:16:48,633 --> 00:16:49,759 that that magazine did 469 00:16:49,759 --> 00:16:51,636 to its competitors is convince everybody 470 00:16:51,636 --> 00:16:54,472 to do those fuckin' video grabs. 471 00:16:54,472 --> 00:16:55,806 It was actually kind of a smart thing 472 00:16:55,806 --> 00:16:58,809 because skateboarding was evolving very quickly 473 00:16:58,809 --> 00:17:00,770 at this time, this is the early '90s, 474 00:17:00,770 --> 00:17:04,232 and very technical tricks. 475 00:17:04,232 --> 00:17:05,274 Back then, still cameras 476 00:17:05,274 --> 00:17:07,068 could only shoot six frames per second. 477 00:17:07,068 --> 00:17:08,945 And the board was flipping was so fast 478 00:17:08,945 --> 00:17:11,739 that it couldn't capture the trick correctly. 479 00:17:11,739 --> 00:17:13,532 So Rocco came up with the idea 480 00:17:13,532 --> 00:17:15,868 that you could pull a frame grab from a video 481 00:17:15,868 --> 00:17:17,119 and put it in print. 482 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,788 They looked ugly, but I don't think 483 00:17:18,788 --> 00:17:20,122 the skaters gave a shit about it, 484 00:17:20,122 --> 00:17:21,082 what it looked like. 485 00:17:21,082 --> 00:17:24,543 They liked seeing the most current tricks. 486 00:17:24,543 --> 00:17:25,920 It gave it the opportunity 487 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,506 to progress skateboarding tremendously 488 00:17:28,506 --> 00:17:31,050 from the beautiful stale thing 489 00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:34,637 that we're all known to expect. 490 00:17:34,637 --> 00:17:36,847 Big Brother, dude. 491 00:17:36,847 --> 00:17:38,182 You know, they don't take photos for that magazine, 492 00:17:38,182 --> 00:17:39,684 they just film. 493 00:17:39,684 --> 00:17:41,018 What's up, Rocco? 494 00:17:41,018 --> 00:17:41,936 (whistles) 495 00:17:41,936 --> 00:17:43,104 And then Thrasher and Transworld 496 00:17:43,104 --> 00:17:44,355 thought that they had to do that too. 497 00:17:44,355 --> 00:17:45,356 "Yeah, we got that!" 498 00:17:45,356 --> 00:17:47,191 And then think about a fuckin' video grab 499 00:17:47,191 --> 00:17:48,693 on the Thrasher paper. 500 00:17:48,693 --> 00:17:50,319 Like, what, I think it's a hamster? 501 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:51,862 And you're just like, "What the fuck is that?" 502 00:17:51,862 --> 00:17:52,863 Like nobody... 503 00:17:52,863 --> 00:17:54,031 So that was devastating. 504 00:17:54,031 --> 00:17:56,450 That was nice work, you guys. 505 00:17:56,450 --> 00:17:58,077 It's not like it completely lacked‐‐ 506 00:17:58,077 --> 00:17:59,412 I mean, come on, some of those covers, 507 00:17:59,412 --> 00:18:01,789 that cover‐‐that Rick Howard cover, 508 00:18:01,789 --> 00:18:05,042 the all red concept and trick 509 00:18:05,042 --> 00:18:06,377 and photo by Spike Jonze, 510 00:18:06,377 --> 00:18:07,878 that's gold. 511 00:18:07,878 --> 00:18:09,255 Wait, this'll be good too. 512 00:18:09,255 --> 00:18:10,464 A photo of Spike. 513 00:18:13,342 --> 00:18:14,677 ♪ 514 00:18:14,677 --> 00:18:16,554 Rocco loved gimmicks. 515 00:18:16,554 --> 00:18:18,681 He wanted every issue of the magazine 516 00:18:18,681 --> 00:18:19,974 to come out different. 517 00:18:19,974 --> 00:18:23,769 The second issue came in the super large format. 518 00:18:23,769 --> 00:18:26,105 Third issue had spiral binding. 519 00:18:26,105 --> 00:18:27,982 Fourth issue was square. 520 00:18:27,982 --> 00:18:29,817 Fifth issue was comic book size, 521 00:18:29,817 --> 00:18:31,819 came with trading cards. 522 00:18:31,819 --> 00:18:33,195 Sixth issue, 523 00:18:33,195 --> 00:18:34,655 which was, you know, 524 00:18:34,655 --> 00:18:35,948 the ultimate in some kids' eyes, 525 00:18:35,948 --> 00:18:37,742 was the cereal box issue. 526 00:18:37,742 --> 00:18:39,410 Everybody was just like, "This is awesome. 527 00:18:39,410 --> 00:18:41,621 Let's do it and we'll get the companies 528 00:18:41,621 --> 00:18:42,705 to put prizes in it," 529 00:18:42,705 --> 00:18:45,750 and it just went from stuff like that. 530 00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:48,461 It was so cool, but I couldn't show my parents, 531 00:18:48,461 --> 00:18:49,587 you know what I mean? 532 00:18:49,587 --> 00:18:52,590 'Cause it had wieners all over it with ants. 533 00:18:52,590 --> 00:18:55,801 There were no rules and it was going to be new 534 00:18:55,801 --> 00:18:56,886 every issue. 535 00:18:56,886 --> 00:18:58,763 We were never going to use the same logo. 536 00:18:58,763 --> 00:19:00,931 We were never going to do the same format. 537 00:19:00,931 --> 00:19:02,475 It was always going to be something special. 538 00:19:02,475 --> 00:19:04,685 You didn't know what you were going to get. 539 00:19:04,685 --> 00:19:06,687 And everyone just got into it, whatever it was, 540 00:19:06,687 --> 00:19:08,356 and we'd move on once we did it 541 00:19:08,356 --> 00:19:09,940 and do something else. 542 00:19:09,940 --> 00:19:12,818 It was such a creative opportunity 543 00:19:12,818 --> 00:19:14,612 to do whatever we... 544 00:19:14,612 --> 00:19:16,530 I mean, if you're an artist, 545 00:19:16,530 --> 00:19:19,825 that's heaven. 546 00:19:19,825 --> 00:19:20,993 Once the advertisers saw, 547 00:19:20,993 --> 00:19:22,620 like, the content of the magazine, 548 00:19:22,620 --> 00:19:25,206 then they kind of would emulate that in their ads. 549 00:19:25,206 --> 00:19:26,791 ♪ 550 00:19:26,791 --> 00:19:28,292 There were a lot of new brands coming up 551 00:19:28,292 --> 00:19:29,960 that wanted to establish themselves, 552 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,129 and Big Brother gave them the freedom 553 00:19:32,129 --> 00:19:34,632 to do whatever they wanted. 554 00:19:34,632 --> 00:19:36,676 That was when the ads became content themselves 555 00:19:36,676 --> 00:19:38,427 in a way. 556 00:19:38,427 --> 00:19:39,970 You know, really, Big Brother empowered 557 00:19:39,970 --> 00:19:42,848 a generation of brands to express themselves 558 00:19:42,848 --> 00:19:44,266 through the culture of skateboarding 559 00:19:44,266 --> 00:19:46,644 versus just the sport of skateboarding. 560 00:19:46,644 --> 00:19:48,354 There was one version of that ad 561 00:19:48,354 --> 00:19:49,647 that was done for Big Brother 562 00:19:49,647 --> 00:19:51,148 and there was a different version 563 00:19:51,148 --> 00:19:53,401 that went in the other magazines. 564 00:19:53,401 --> 00:19:54,527 That's what made it fun for us 565 00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:56,320 because we could sort of push those boundaries 566 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,989 a little bit of what you could normally do. 567 00:19:58,989 --> 00:20:00,408 Because there was no policy, 568 00:20:00,408 --> 00:20:03,244 there was no, like, written policy. 569 00:20:03,244 --> 00:20:07,331 And, of course, it was up to us 570 00:20:07,331 --> 00:20:09,375 which ones can go, which ones couldn't go, 571 00:20:09,375 --> 00:20:10,918 but everything went. 572 00:20:10,918 --> 00:20:12,128 I think everything went. 573 00:20:12,128 --> 00:20:15,923 Even ads with me getting screwed in the butt went. 574 00:20:15,923 --> 00:20:17,299 Was there anything we could have sent you 575 00:20:17,299 --> 00:20:21,011 that you would have said no on? 576 00:20:21,011 --> 00:20:23,222 Not without looking hypocritical. 577 00:20:23,222 --> 00:20:24,557 I mean... 578 00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:26,642 Lots of the ads got us more in trouble 579 00:20:26,642 --> 00:20:29,270 than anything we could write. 580 00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:30,521 Shorty's did an ad 581 00:20:30,521 --> 00:20:32,898 where there was the bearing 582 00:20:32,898 --> 00:20:35,276 inside of the plastic vagina. 583 00:20:35,276 --> 00:20:36,861 And we submitted that to the printer, 584 00:20:36,861 --> 00:20:38,195 and they were like, "Fuck this, 585 00:20:38,195 --> 00:20:39,697 we're not printing this." 586 00:20:39,697 --> 00:20:41,532 And so I guess the solution was 587 00:20:41,532 --> 00:20:43,909 that we had to show that it was 588 00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:45,202 an artificial vagina. 589 00:20:45,202 --> 00:20:47,663 So there's a little box within the ad 590 00:20:47,663 --> 00:20:49,749 that shows you what it is. 591 00:20:49,749 --> 00:20:50,875 ♪ 592 00:20:50,875 --> 00:20:52,752 I don't think that showed up in Transworld. 593 00:20:52,752 --> 00:20:53,753 ♪ 594 00:20:53,753 --> 00:20:55,004 (laughs) 595 00:20:55,004 --> 00:20:57,298 I think you didn't realize how conservative 596 00:20:57,298 --> 00:20:58,549 the skateboard industry was 597 00:20:58,549 --> 00:21:00,885 until Big Brother came out. 598 00:21:00,885 --> 00:21:03,262 It represents the pure side of skateboarding 599 00:21:03,262 --> 00:21:04,597 that is that sort of fuck you 600 00:21:04,597 --> 00:21:06,682 and fuck everybody mentality. 601 00:21:06,682 --> 00:21:09,685 Let's see if we can't cause some problems, 602 00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:11,061 which they eventually did. 603 00:21:11,061 --> 00:21:13,147 Sold as a teen skateboard magazine, 604 00:21:13,147 --> 00:21:15,733 Big Brother has upset a number of local parents 605 00:21:15,733 --> 00:21:17,651 because mixed in with skateboard articles 606 00:21:17,651 --> 00:21:19,320 and stories of graphic sex 607 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,198 is an article that details how to kill yourself. 608 00:21:22,198 --> 00:21:23,616 The first time we ever got on the news 609 00:21:23,616 --> 00:21:26,243 was in Ohio somewhere, and it was basically 610 00:21:26,243 --> 00:21:29,705 the How to Kill Yourself article. 611 00:21:29,705 --> 00:21:31,081 And we thought that was awesome. 612 00:21:31,081 --> 00:21:33,793 Along with suggestions on using guns and pills, 613 00:21:33,793 --> 00:21:35,753 the magazine suggests hanging 614 00:21:35,753 --> 00:21:38,547 and explains how to use a cotton cloth or tie 615 00:21:38,547 --> 00:21:39,590 and a door knob. 616 00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:42,051 It also recommends, "Slit your wrists," 617 00:21:42,051 --> 00:21:44,845 and explains the best way to make the cuts. 618 00:21:44,845 --> 00:21:47,306 It was a reaction to all the how‐to, 619 00:21:47,306 --> 00:21:49,683 How To, you know, Ollie. 620 00:21:49,683 --> 00:21:52,019 How To Do a Kickflip. 621 00:21:52,019 --> 00:21:53,020 How To Kill Yourself 622 00:21:53,020 --> 00:21:55,606 was clearly the next place to take it. 623 00:21:55,606 --> 00:21:57,274 I mean, that, to me, 624 00:21:57,274 --> 00:22:02,071 was the funniest thing ever as a kid. 625 00:22:02,071 --> 00:22:04,949 Now do I find that funny? 626 00:22:04,949 --> 00:22:06,033 I don't know. 627 00:22:06,033 --> 00:22:07,493 Like afterwards, like, when, like, 628 00:22:07,493 --> 00:22:10,538 I remember, you know, like there was a big fuss over it. 629 00:22:10,538 --> 00:22:13,249 I was like, "Yeah, why would we do that? 630 00:22:13,249 --> 00:22:16,460 Why would we do an article on how to kill yourself?" 631 00:22:16,460 --> 00:22:18,754 I don't think a lot was that thought out. 632 00:22:18,754 --> 00:22:20,881 ♪ 633 00:22:20,881 --> 00:22:24,260 As the magazine began finding its voice, 634 00:22:24,260 --> 00:22:27,346 others with a similar voice would find us. 635 00:22:27,346 --> 00:22:28,764 There were like Big Brother characters. 636 00:22:28,764 --> 00:22:30,057 They weren't like the top pros, 637 00:22:30,057 --> 00:22:31,934 but they had the right personality 638 00:22:31,934 --> 00:22:35,729 and spirit that always meshed with our magazine. 639 00:22:35,729 --> 00:22:37,648 If I wouldn't have got fucked up on drugs 640 00:22:37,648 --> 00:22:40,150 and shooting fucking heroin in my fuckin' wiener, 641 00:22:40,150 --> 00:22:42,069 I fuckin' would have been a poster child 642 00:22:42,069 --> 00:22:43,404 for Big Brother. 643 00:22:45,155 --> 00:22:47,157 You didn't have to be the best skater in the world, 644 00:22:47,157 --> 00:22:48,659 you didn't have to be the coolest 645 00:22:48,659 --> 00:22:51,161 or the best looking or, like, the most fit 646 00:22:51,161 --> 00:22:52,621 or whatever it was, you know? 647 00:22:52,621 --> 00:22:55,291 It was like, it was kind of a freak show. 648 00:22:55,291 --> 00:22:56,417 ♪ 649 00:22:56,417 --> 00:22:58,002 One of our contributing photographers, 650 00:22:58,002 --> 00:22:59,003 Thomas Campbell, 651 00:22:59,003 --> 00:23:01,839 submitted these hilarious photos 652 00:23:01,839 --> 00:23:03,549 and a fucked up interview 653 00:23:03,549 --> 00:23:07,136 with an unknown skater named Chris Pontius. 654 00:23:07,136 --> 00:23:09,388 He would write little articles here and there. 655 00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:10,264 ♪ 656 00:23:10,264 --> 00:23:11,724 We let him answer the letters once 657 00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:13,684 and it was the funniest thing, so we decided, 658 00:23:13,684 --> 00:23:15,352 "Chris, you need to answer all the letters," 659 00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:18,522 'cause he takes the letter writer 660 00:23:18,522 --> 00:23:21,859 on such a weird adventure. 661 00:23:21,859 --> 00:23:23,193 I always liked to write and stuff, 662 00:23:23,193 --> 00:23:25,613 but I never thought that I would, you know, 663 00:23:25,613 --> 00:23:27,698 was going to write for Big Brother or nothing. 664 00:23:27,698 --> 00:23:30,409 It just seemed like a separate world to me that‐‐ 665 00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:33,162 it just seemed so far away. 666 00:23:33,162 --> 00:23:36,707 It was Pontius who introduced us to Dave Carnie. 667 00:23:36,707 --> 00:23:39,251 Come on in, I'll show you how to make a new drink. 668 00:23:39,251 --> 00:23:42,379 Dave Carnie brought a lot to the magazine. 669 00:23:42,379 --> 00:23:45,090 It's a specialty of mine. 670 00:23:45,090 --> 00:23:47,927 Not only was he a great writer and photographer... 671 00:23:47,927 --> 00:23:49,345 Been drinking it for years. 672 00:23:49,345 --> 00:23:52,014 But he was a huge personality. 673 00:23:54,058 --> 00:23:55,643 He was an artist and... 674 00:23:55,643 --> 00:23:57,353 (laughs) 675 00:23:57,353 --> 00:23:58,479 He was a rad photographer. 676 00:23:58,479 --> 00:23:59,521 And, yeah, he would use 677 00:23:59,521 --> 00:24:00,522 all these crazy chemicals. 678 00:24:00,522 --> 00:24:03,525 I think they made him lose his sense of smell. 679 00:24:03,525 --> 00:24:05,903 Pour the excess in the toilet. 680 00:24:09,073 --> 00:24:11,367 Take a big old swig. 681 00:24:11,367 --> 00:24:12,868 Damn, that's good piss. 682 00:24:12,868 --> 00:24:17,206 I was actually in college in San Luis Obispo. 683 00:24:17,206 --> 00:24:19,041 And I met Chris Pontius 684 00:24:19,041 --> 00:24:22,378 and his whole crew of merry pranksters. 685 00:24:22,378 --> 00:24:24,880 There was this weird group of skaters 686 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,090 that were all making these 687 00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:28,968 really just fuckin' stupid videos. 688 00:24:28,968 --> 00:24:30,135 And so when we connected 689 00:24:30,135 --> 00:24:31,428 with the Big Brother people, 690 00:24:31,428 --> 00:24:33,055 it was just kind of a natural fit. 691 00:24:33,055 --> 00:24:35,766 We were all doing the same stupid shit already. 692 00:24:35,766 --> 00:24:38,936 ♪ 693 00:24:38,936 --> 00:24:41,188 So, I started with Big Brother 694 00:24:41,188 --> 00:24:42,648 'cause I had a fucked up story 695 00:24:42,648 --> 00:24:44,483 about a friend of mine, 696 00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:47,027 and I‐‐he used to sleep over all the time. 697 00:24:47,027 --> 00:24:48,070 It was totally normal, 698 00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:49,321 no hooking up or anything. 699 00:24:49,321 --> 00:24:51,532 And I woke up and one night 700 00:24:51,532 --> 00:24:53,951 he was jerking off in the bed next to me 701 00:24:53,951 --> 00:24:55,411 and it was awful. 702 00:24:55,411 --> 00:24:58,288 And I was only like 18 703 00:24:58,288 --> 00:24:59,832 at the time and creeped out 704 00:24:59,832 --> 00:25:01,291 and I didn't have the wherewithal 705 00:25:01,291 --> 00:25:03,502 to be like, "Fuck you, get out of my bed!" 706 00:25:03,502 --> 00:25:07,965 And so instead, I drew a picture about it. 707 00:25:07,965 --> 00:25:10,801 And Steve Rocco saw it hanging up in my office. 708 00:25:10,801 --> 00:25:14,263 And when he got the story, he was like, 709 00:25:14,263 --> 00:25:17,016 "I think that's a Big Brother article." 710 00:25:17,016 --> 00:25:18,767 Kendra was like a little sister to us, 711 00:25:18,767 --> 00:25:22,187 and she also brought a female voice to the magazine. 712 00:25:22,187 --> 00:25:23,897 I never felt like I was just a girl. 713 00:25:23,897 --> 00:25:25,983 I didn't even really feel like I was a girl. 714 00:25:25,983 --> 00:25:28,861 I probably was just one of the guys 715 00:25:28,861 --> 00:25:31,155 is what I always felt like. 716 00:25:31,155 --> 00:25:32,906 She actually pulled one of our first pranks 717 00:25:32,906 --> 00:25:35,492 where she went on a blind date with a pro skater 718 00:25:35,492 --> 00:25:37,786 and secretly recorded it. 719 00:25:37,786 --> 00:25:38,829 That was fuckin' hilarious. 720 00:25:38,829 --> 00:25:40,873 I mean, I think I was pissed off for a minute, 721 00:25:40,873 --> 00:25:44,084 but then I was just like, "Whatever, it's hilarious." 722 00:25:45,586 --> 00:25:48,547 It made me feel brave and exciting, 723 00:25:48,547 --> 00:25:52,342 and I couldn't believe I pulled it off. 724 00:25:52,342 --> 00:25:54,178 Big Brother used to be out of the South Bay. 725 00:25:54,178 --> 00:25:56,597 You know, we were in El Segundo for a while. 726 00:25:56,597 --> 00:25:57,973 ♪ 727 00:25:57,973 --> 00:26:00,601 And Wee‐Man was sort of a local legend 728 00:26:00,601 --> 00:26:02,978 and Hermosa Beach skateboarder. 729 00:26:02,978 --> 00:26:04,188 You know, I thought it was rad. 730 00:26:04,188 --> 00:26:07,024 Like, "Wow, there's this little midget who skates, 731 00:26:07,024 --> 00:26:08,400 you know, it's awesome." 732 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,652 I met Rick Kosick 733 00:26:10,652 --> 00:26:13,072 on a photoshoot one time. 734 00:26:13,072 --> 00:26:15,783 And Rick was pretty stoked. 735 00:26:15,783 --> 00:26:17,659 So he said, "Hey, you and I should, 736 00:26:17,659 --> 00:26:19,578 like, start shooting some more photos this week, 737 00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:21,121 let's get some stuff." 738 00:26:21,121 --> 00:26:23,248 And ever since then, 739 00:26:23,248 --> 00:26:26,710 the Big Brother snowball happened. 740 00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:28,128 Eventually I hired Wee‐Man. 741 00:26:28,128 --> 00:26:30,089 He was our subscriptions manager. 742 00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:31,632 We just loved having him around. 743 00:26:31,632 --> 00:26:33,050 ♪ 744 00:26:33,050 --> 00:26:35,969 I think the magazine just kind of attracted, like, 745 00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:38,889 all the misfits and the people who didn't fit in 746 00:26:38,889 --> 00:26:39,932 in skateboarding. 747 00:26:39,932 --> 00:26:42,392 And it was like, 748 00:26:42,392 --> 00:26:44,478 it brought us all together. 749 00:26:44,478 --> 00:26:48,232 ♪ 750 00:26:48,232 --> 00:26:50,734 I'd always seen Earl Parker 751 00:26:50,734 --> 00:26:54,446 as just like a resident freak 752 00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:55,864 or a resident weirdo, 753 00:26:55,864 --> 00:26:57,741 but really he's a good writer 754 00:26:57,741 --> 00:27:00,244 and he chose awesome stuff to write about. 755 00:27:00,244 --> 00:27:03,705 And the way he kind of navigated through the world 756 00:27:03,705 --> 00:27:05,582 was interesting 757 00:27:05,582 --> 00:27:06,625 and he really brought that 758 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:08,418 to the stories that he wrote. 759 00:27:08,418 --> 00:27:10,462 ♪ 760 00:27:10,462 --> 00:27:13,257 He would always have stories of the night before, 761 00:27:13,257 --> 00:27:14,550 these weird adventures. 762 00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:16,218 Like he would meet these people 763 00:27:16,218 --> 00:27:17,845 and go and take pictures of them 764 00:27:17,845 --> 00:27:19,263 and interview them. 765 00:27:19,263 --> 00:27:20,430 ♪ 766 00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:24,768 He would, like, write whatever he was thinking 767 00:27:24,768 --> 00:27:26,019 and whatever he was feeling. 768 00:27:26,019 --> 00:27:28,730 And often it was like really random 769 00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:30,274 but genius connections. 770 00:27:30,274 --> 00:27:31,233 ♪ 771 00:27:31,233 --> 00:27:32,818 Earl's first big writing assignment 772 00:27:32,818 --> 00:27:34,820 was to go up and cover 773 00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:37,656 the Back to the City contest in San Francisco. 774 00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:39,825 This was probably the biggest contest 775 00:27:39,825 --> 00:27:41,827 in skateboarding at the time. 776 00:27:41,827 --> 00:27:43,579 He was sent to write about the contest, 777 00:27:43,579 --> 00:27:45,747 but he was wandering around San Francisco 778 00:27:45,747 --> 00:27:46,790 and fell in love with this 779 00:27:46,790 --> 00:27:48,876 homeless junkie punk rock girl. 780 00:27:48,876 --> 00:27:50,210 ♪ 781 00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:51,628 Hung out with her the whole weekend, 782 00:27:51,628 --> 00:27:53,630 and that was his story. 783 00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:54,840 My favorite part was 784 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,050 he took her back to his hotel room 785 00:27:57,050 --> 00:27:59,136 and he ordered her room service 786 00:27:59,136 --> 00:28:01,138 and then he licked her track marks. 787 00:28:01,138 --> 00:28:02,723 And then he's like, "Just kidding." 788 00:28:02,723 --> 00:28:04,892 (laughs) 789 00:28:04,892 --> 00:28:06,727 I don't know, he was just... 790 00:28:06,727 --> 00:28:09,313 He was a great writer. 791 00:28:09,313 --> 00:28:10,314 And I was pumped on it. 792 00:28:10,314 --> 00:28:12,065 I thought this was amazing. 793 00:28:12,065 --> 00:28:13,609 It was well‐written, 794 00:28:13,609 --> 00:28:16,528 it was very much Earl's psyche 795 00:28:16,528 --> 00:28:19,031 and very much fit in 796 00:28:19,031 --> 00:28:21,909 with what we were starting to do, you know? 797 00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:25,120 Like it was just... 798 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:26,330 funny. 799 00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:28,457 He was the voice of that magazine for a long time. 800 00:28:28,457 --> 00:28:29,791 As much as Tremaine was, like, 801 00:28:29,791 --> 00:28:33,670 the sort of force of nature behind it, 802 00:28:33,670 --> 00:28:36,548 Earl was on the front lines. 803 00:28:36,548 --> 00:28:39,885 Earl's approach to skateboarding 804 00:28:39,885 --> 00:28:42,137 was pretty indicative 805 00:28:42,137 --> 00:28:45,307 of how we were all responding to skateboarding. 806 00:28:45,307 --> 00:28:46,850 ♪ 807 00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:48,101 You can't write about skateboarding 808 00:28:48,101 --> 00:28:49,853 and who gives a fuck? 809 00:28:49,853 --> 00:28:52,606 Big Brother was really never about skateboarding. 810 00:28:52,606 --> 00:28:53,941 I mean, it had skateboarding, 811 00:28:53,941 --> 00:28:56,902 but we really hid behind skateboarding 812 00:28:56,902 --> 00:28:59,071 to just make this ridiculous magazine 813 00:28:59,071 --> 00:29:01,239 of just stupid shit we'd want to do. 814 00:29:01,239 --> 00:29:03,408 ♪ 815 00:29:03,408 --> 00:29:04,952 We thought it would be funny 816 00:29:04,952 --> 00:29:06,536 to take Slayer to Disneyland. 817 00:29:06,536 --> 00:29:07,663 And I still think it's funny. 818 00:29:07,663 --> 00:29:11,583 Like Slayer doesn't belong at Disneyland. 819 00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:14,503 But somehow they agreed to do that. 820 00:29:14,503 --> 00:29:16,755 So we picked a group of skaters. 821 00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:18,715 Danny Way, Lance Conklin. 822 00:29:18,715 --> 00:29:21,551 Invited Wee‐Man, Chris Pontius. 823 00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:23,261 Slayer took their sweet time 824 00:29:23,261 --> 00:29:24,554 arriving at Disneyland. 825 00:29:24,554 --> 00:29:26,306 So, like, some of the guys 826 00:29:26,306 --> 00:29:27,349 were pretty lubricated 827 00:29:27,349 --> 00:29:29,059 by the time they arrived. 828 00:29:29,059 --> 00:29:31,645 (laughter, shouting) 829 00:29:31,645 --> 00:29:35,273 ♪ 830 00:29:35,273 --> 00:29:37,693 This is a family place! 831 00:29:37,693 --> 00:29:39,152 Keep the foul language to a minimum! 832 00:29:39,152 --> 00:29:42,155 No use of the word "cunt," all right? 833 00:29:42,155 --> 00:29:45,492 No use of the word "assfucker"! 834 00:29:45,492 --> 00:29:48,453 No use of the word "fuck it." 835 00:29:48,453 --> 00:29:49,746 ♪ 836 00:29:49,746 --> 00:29:51,915 Take me to the teacups! 837 00:29:51,915 --> 00:29:53,083 ♪ 838 00:29:53,083 --> 00:29:55,711 I'll take you to the teacups, pal. 839 00:29:55,711 --> 00:29:57,212 We were looking for the bar in Disneyland, 840 00:29:57,212 --> 00:29:59,965 like, because we heard there was a secret bar, 841 00:29:59,965 --> 00:30:01,133 but we couldn't find it. 842 00:30:01,133 --> 00:30:03,552 There was no booze in Disneyland. 843 00:30:03,552 --> 00:30:04,761 I remember somebody going, 844 00:30:04,761 --> 00:30:06,763 "Let's just go back to the bar and just go drink." 845 00:30:06,763 --> 00:30:08,348 Like, "That's a great idea." 846 00:30:08,348 --> 00:30:09,808 When we got back to the tram, 847 00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:12,102 that's when Lance Conklin 848 00:30:12,102 --> 00:30:14,646 jumped into the submarine ride. 849 00:30:14,646 --> 00:30:20,902 ♪ 850 00:30:20,902 --> 00:30:22,320 I mean, it was mayhem. 851 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,114 It was just a lot of bad people 852 00:30:24,114 --> 00:30:26,408 at Disneyland at the same time. 853 00:30:26,408 --> 00:30:28,869 But we got four pages out of it. 854 00:30:28,869 --> 00:30:31,246 And at some point we realized, like, 855 00:30:31,246 --> 00:30:32,247 "Fuck, what are we doing? 856 00:30:32,247 --> 00:30:34,624 We should go out on the road." 857 00:30:34,624 --> 00:30:35,625 ♪ 858 00:30:35,625 --> 00:30:36,877 And so the first tour we did 859 00:30:36,877 --> 00:30:38,587 was out to the Midwest. 860 00:30:38,587 --> 00:30:42,049 And the content just wrote itself along the way. 861 00:30:42,049 --> 00:30:43,008 ♪ 862 00:30:43,008 --> 00:30:46,470 We realized, like, we can create whole issues 863 00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:48,555 just by going on the road for two weeks. 864 00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:50,932 ♪ 865 00:30:50,932 --> 00:30:52,601 The first tour was fun, 866 00:30:52,601 --> 00:30:54,561 but the tour that we planted the flag, 867 00:30:54,561 --> 00:30:57,272 like this is what Big Brother is, 868 00:30:57,272 --> 00:30:58,940 was the Mardi Gras tour. 869 00:30:58,940 --> 00:31:00,901 ♪ 870 00:31:00,901 --> 00:31:02,903 That tour came up at a point in my life 871 00:31:02,903 --> 00:31:04,988 where I was really up 872 00:31:04,988 --> 00:31:08,158 for fucking going for it. 873 00:31:08,158 --> 00:31:10,285 Jeff had just broken up with a long time girlfriend 874 00:31:10,285 --> 00:31:12,370 and he was ready to die 875 00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:14,664 and to take everyone along with him. 876 00:31:14,664 --> 00:31:15,999 Hey, kid. 877 00:31:15,999 --> 00:31:18,794 ♪ 878 00:31:18,794 --> 00:31:21,880 And that made for the most magic trip ever. 879 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,840 ♪ 880 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:24,966 Yeah! 881 00:31:24,966 --> 00:31:27,177 (cheering) 882 00:31:27,177 --> 00:31:28,136 (laughter) 883 00:31:28,136 --> 00:31:29,137 There was always a lawlessness 884 00:31:29,137 --> 00:31:30,722 to being on the road with a group of skaters 885 00:31:30,722 --> 00:31:32,390 and we'd always do crazy stuff, 886 00:31:32,390 --> 00:31:35,477 but I think the Big Brother Mardi Gras Tour 887 00:31:35,477 --> 00:31:38,522 sort of took that little aspect 888 00:31:38,522 --> 00:31:40,816 and pumped it to a thousand. 889 00:31:40,816 --> 00:31:42,400 ♪ 890 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,985 You know, I think that the Mardi Gras Tour 891 00:31:43,985 --> 00:31:47,030 was almost like a coming of age 892 00:31:47,030 --> 00:31:49,574 for a guy like me. 893 00:31:49,574 --> 00:31:50,951 Getting some beer. 894 00:31:50,951 --> 00:31:53,829 The complete and total chaos... 895 00:31:53,829 --> 00:31:56,039 ♪ 896 00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:57,916 I've just‐‐I don't think I've ever experienced 897 00:31:57,916 --> 00:31:59,835 anything like it, you know? 898 00:31:59,835 --> 00:32:01,711 ♪ 899 00:32:01,711 --> 00:32:02,921 When I look back, I'm like, 900 00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:04,965 "Okay, when did we skate?" 901 00:32:04,965 --> 00:32:06,341 Like, I can barely even think 902 00:32:06,341 --> 00:32:08,760 of, like, where we even skated. 903 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,013 ♪ 904 00:32:12,013 --> 00:32:15,684 Dyrdek and I really forged our relationship 905 00:32:15,684 --> 00:32:16,810 on the Mardi Gras trip. 906 00:32:16,810 --> 00:32:19,479 He and I got along really well on that trip. 907 00:32:19,479 --> 00:32:22,524 His frenetic energy was great, 908 00:32:22,524 --> 00:32:24,151 and I was pretty psyched going on that trip. 909 00:32:24,151 --> 00:32:27,863 Like, I think I was entertaining him. 910 00:32:27,863 --> 00:32:29,531 ♪ 911 00:32:29,531 --> 00:32:30,824 The Mardi Gras trip 912 00:32:30,824 --> 00:32:31,825 taught me the framework 913 00:32:31,825 --> 00:32:33,618 of how you do a tour article. 914 00:32:33,618 --> 00:32:35,036 You introduce the characters, 915 00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:36,454 you take them on a little adventure, 916 00:32:36,454 --> 00:32:38,039 you make fun of them along the way, 917 00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:39,624 you have little sidebar boxes, 918 00:32:39,624 --> 00:32:41,334 and then if you don't have a picture 919 00:32:41,334 --> 00:32:43,378 you have somebody draw a picture of it. 920 00:32:43,378 --> 00:32:45,505 That's the thing that affected me the most 921 00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:46,798 was this is the formula. 922 00:32:46,798 --> 00:32:49,718 And I've ripped it off for 15 years. 923 00:32:49,718 --> 00:32:52,470 The only thing we blew on that trip, 924 00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:54,097 and we blew it bad, 925 00:32:54,097 --> 00:32:57,684 was we just didn't have very good coverage. 926 00:32:57,684 --> 00:32:59,102 I kind of knew in the back of my mind, 927 00:32:59,102 --> 00:33:01,104 at some point we're going to put out a video 928 00:33:01,104 --> 00:33:03,023 that supplements the magazine. 929 00:33:03,023 --> 00:33:06,359 ♪ 930 00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:08,278 Back then, besides magazines, 931 00:33:08,278 --> 00:33:10,071 the only way you saw skateboarding 932 00:33:10,071 --> 00:33:11,406 was on video. 933 00:33:11,406 --> 00:33:12,657 ♪ 934 00:33:12,657 --> 00:33:14,618 And every company would put these out 935 00:33:14,618 --> 00:33:17,245 to basically showcase their teams 936 00:33:17,245 --> 00:33:19,289 and sell 'em in skate shops. 937 00:33:19,289 --> 00:33:21,166 Kids really don't understand 938 00:33:21,166 --> 00:33:23,460 the importance of a skate video 939 00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:27,005 and what it meant to wait for a video to come out 940 00:33:27,005 --> 00:33:28,465 and have to go buy it at the shop 941 00:33:28,465 --> 00:33:30,926 or see it played at the shop. 942 00:33:30,926 --> 00:33:31,968 It wasn't like today, 943 00:33:31,968 --> 00:33:32,969 you can just push a button 944 00:33:32,969 --> 00:33:34,262 and pretty much see anything. 945 00:33:34,262 --> 00:33:36,640 Like, you had to go and, like, find it. 946 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,974 Dude, I'll give you a hundred bucks 947 00:33:37,974 --> 00:33:39,309 and I'll take you out to Benihana's 948 00:33:39,309 --> 00:33:41,478 if you slide that 75‐foot handrail. 949 00:33:41,478 --> 00:33:44,439 It's like the moments in between skating 950 00:33:44,439 --> 00:33:47,400 in a video, you know, 951 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,986 that really make you fall in love 952 00:33:49,986 --> 00:33:52,822 with this culture and these people. 953 00:33:52,822 --> 00:33:54,074 Rodney. 954 00:33:54,074 --> 00:33:55,992 No, don't do it! 955 00:33:55,992 --> 00:33:56,993 ♪ 956 00:33:56,993 --> 00:33:58,662 Here. 957 00:33:58,662 --> 00:34:00,247 So going into the East Coast Tour, 958 00:34:00,247 --> 00:34:03,083 we knew we were going to make a video out of it. 959 00:34:03,083 --> 00:34:05,543 Well, I was invited to go on that trip 960 00:34:05,543 --> 00:34:07,462 basically to shoot all the wild and craziness 961 00:34:07,462 --> 00:34:08,672 that they would get into 962 00:34:08,672 --> 00:34:10,507 and then some skateboarding too. 963 00:34:10,507 --> 00:34:11,883 I guess they were planning on making 964 00:34:11,883 --> 00:34:14,844 a skateboard video out of it, you know? 965 00:34:14,844 --> 00:34:17,055 And we're off. 966 00:34:17,055 --> 00:34:19,349 On the great East Coast Tour, 967 00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:22,352 so come along and enjoy. 968 00:34:22,352 --> 00:34:23,478 (laughs) 969 00:34:23,478 --> 00:34:26,690 The problem was we didn't have any skaters 970 00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:28,733 who wanted to go with us. 971 00:34:28,733 --> 00:34:30,277 The only skater who showed up 972 00:34:30,277 --> 00:34:32,237 was little Bill Pepper. 973 00:34:32,237 --> 00:34:33,613 ♪ 974 00:34:33,613 --> 00:34:35,156 'Sup, Socrates? 975 00:34:35,156 --> 00:34:36,449 Just filming. 976 00:34:36,449 --> 00:34:38,118 ‐What's in there? ‐How you doin', buddy? 977 00:34:38,118 --> 00:34:40,328 Hi, dude, let me shake your hand. 978 00:34:40,328 --> 00:34:41,997 We didn't have 979 00:34:41,997 --> 00:34:43,623 many pro skateboarders coming with us, 980 00:34:43,623 --> 00:34:47,043 but we did have an awesome set 981 00:34:47,043 --> 00:34:49,879 of magazine contributors coming. 982 00:34:49,879 --> 00:34:51,923 We had Dave Carnie for the first time. 983 00:34:51,923 --> 00:34:53,550 We had Chris Pontius coming. 984 00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:55,885 Kendra was coming with us. 985 00:34:55,885 --> 00:34:57,470 And one of the things I was psyched about 986 00:34:57,470 --> 00:35:00,056 is we were actually going to meet Dimitry in Boston. 987 00:35:00,056 --> 00:35:03,059 He had been a contributing writer and photographer. 988 00:35:03,059 --> 00:35:04,311 But this was really the first time 989 00:35:04,311 --> 00:35:06,062 we were going to meet him in person. 990 00:35:06,062 --> 00:35:07,606 I was living in New York at the time 991 00:35:07,606 --> 00:35:10,442 and I was sending pictures to all the skate mags. 992 00:35:10,442 --> 00:35:13,570 And Big Brother was going on tour 993 00:35:13,570 --> 00:35:15,030 on the East Coast, 994 00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:16,573 so I met up with 'em in Boston 995 00:35:16,573 --> 00:35:22,662 and that was the end of my college life. 996 00:35:22,662 --> 00:35:24,914 Come on, we're going to have a snowball fight. 997 00:35:24,914 --> 00:35:26,583 He had been contributing photos and stories 998 00:35:26,583 --> 00:35:28,335 to the magazine for a while, 999 00:35:28,335 --> 00:35:30,795 but we really discovered his true talent 1000 00:35:30,795 --> 00:35:32,756 was behind the video camera. 1001 00:35:32,756 --> 00:35:36,384 Day one, he caught Carnie getting blasted in the face. 1002 00:35:36,384 --> 00:35:38,678 (grunting) 1003 00:35:38,678 --> 00:35:39,763 Did you get that? 1004 00:35:39,763 --> 00:35:41,264 Oh, Dimitry! 1005 00:35:41,264 --> 00:35:42,641 You all right? 1006 00:35:42,641 --> 00:35:44,643 I wanted to be part of Big Brother 1007 00:35:44,643 --> 00:35:45,935 more than any other skate mag 1008 00:35:45,935 --> 00:35:47,646 because that's the only magazine 1009 00:35:47,646 --> 00:35:50,607 where you could get away with whatever you want. 1010 00:35:50,607 --> 00:35:52,984 You know, they were just psyched to get content. 1011 00:35:52,984 --> 00:35:58,073 ♪ 1012 00:35:58,073 --> 00:35:59,407 Carnie was on fire. 1013 00:35:59,407 --> 00:36:01,576 And it was clear from sort of the jump. 1014 00:36:01,576 --> 00:36:04,371 Carnie went on that tour with just nothing to lose. 1015 00:36:04,371 --> 00:36:05,914 It was probably the closest I came 1016 00:36:05,914 --> 00:36:07,457 to living in the now. 1017 00:36:07,457 --> 00:36:09,209 Whoa! 1018 00:36:09,209 --> 00:36:10,585 You know, going on a skate tour 1019 00:36:10,585 --> 00:36:12,921 with your friends on the East Coast? 1020 00:36:12,921 --> 00:36:14,297 Fuck yeah, I want to come. 1021 00:36:14,297 --> 00:36:15,674 ♪ 1022 00:36:15,674 --> 00:36:16,633 Mom! 1023 00:36:16,633 --> 00:36:17,759 Mother's drinking! 1024 00:36:17,759 --> 00:36:18,718 Mom! 1025 00:36:18,718 --> 00:36:20,178 (unintelligible). 1026 00:36:20,178 --> 00:36:22,097 Mom, get off the stage! 1027 00:36:22,097 --> 00:36:23,098 "Mom, get off the stage?" 1028 00:36:23,098 --> 00:36:25,392 Mom, don't do this to yourself! 1029 00:36:25,392 --> 00:36:26,518 Get your own damn show. 1030 00:36:26,518 --> 00:36:27,602 Do I come and fight with you 1031 00:36:27,602 --> 00:36:29,187 at your job at McDonald's? 1032 00:36:29,187 --> 00:36:31,481 (cheering) 1033 00:36:31,481 --> 00:36:32,649 ♪ 1034 00:36:32,649 --> 00:36:34,359 The East Coast trip was kind of like 1035 00:36:34,359 --> 00:36:37,112 the point where Pontius and I were moved 1036 00:36:37,112 --> 00:36:40,448 from contributor to staff. 1037 00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:42,158 We even met Bam Margera on that trip 1038 00:36:42,158 --> 00:36:44,035 in Philadelphia. 1039 00:36:44,035 --> 00:36:46,496 We were shooting at Love Park in Philly 1040 00:36:46,496 --> 00:36:50,166 and there was this little 13‐year‐old kid 1041 00:36:50,166 --> 00:36:52,335 there with his dad. 1042 00:36:52,335 --> 00:36:55,004 You know, it was the first time he was in Big Brother. 1043 00:36:55,004 --> 00:36:56,297 We had no idea he would become 1044 00:36:56,297 --> 00:36:58,466 such a big part of our future. 1045 00:36:58,466 --> 00:37:01,010 (chatter) 1046 00:37:01,010 --> 00:37:04,681 ♪ 1047 00:37:06,266 --> 00:37:09,394 I don't know what to say about our group anymore. 1048 00:37:09,394 --> 00:37:11,396 What about you, Socrates? 1049 00:37:11,396 --> 00:37:12,856 I got it on video. 1050 00:37:12,856 --> 00:37:16,276 So we put out our first video, Shit. 1051 00:37:16,276 --> 00:37:19,237 And it actually did really well. 1052 00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:22,323 It got a really good response. 1053 00:37:22,323 --> 00:37:24,659 Basically, seeing all the people 1054 00:37:24,659 --> 00:37:28,246 that made this magazine that I liked come to life... 1055 00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:29,497 (cheering) 1056 00:37:29,497 --> 00:37:31,291 And then, like, you know, you get to follow them 1057 00:37:31,291 --> 00:37:34,627 on a tour was amazing. 1058 00:37:34,627 --> 00:37:37,589 You know, and, like, girls were there for some reason. 1059 00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:40,008 Like it was a complete fantasy to me, 1060 00:37:40,008 --> 00:37:42,010 like, what these guys were doing. 1061 00:37:42,010 --> 00:37:43,470 What's going on here? 1062 00:37:43,470 --> 00:37:45,472 We're just being a little loud. 1063 00:37:45,472 --> 00:37:47,432 ‐This is not a party place. ‐Okay. 1064 00:37:47,432 --> 00:37:50,435 I think when the first Big Brother video came out, 1065 00:37:50,435 --> 00:37:53,938 I really liked how it wasn't a skate video 1066 00:37:53,938 --> 00:37:55,482 with gnar trick, gnar trick, gnar trick. 1067 00:37:55,482 --> 00:37:58,735 Like sometimes they went out without a plan. 1068 00:37:58,735 --> 00:38:01,112 All right, let's paint Wee‐Man blue 1069 00:38:01,112 --> 00:38:03,072 and just roll around LA 1070 00:38:03,072 --> 00:38:07,327 and fuck around, you know? 1071 00:38:07,327 --> 00:38:09,245 That was like one of the first experiences 1072 00:38:09,245 --> 00:38:11,581 of us doing like Jackass on the streets, 1073 00:38:11,581 --> 00:38:14,083 "Let's see what kind of reactions we can get." 1074 00:38:14,083 --> 00:38:15,794 ♪ 1075 00:38:15,794 --> 00:38:18,379 Well, I would never watch them with my mother. 1076 00:38:19,756 --> 00:38:21,257 There was what, shit in 'em? 1077 00:38:21,257 --> 00:38:22,342 Like there would actually be 1078 00:38:22,342 --> 00:38:24,761 people shitting and male nudity. 1079 00:38:24,761 --> 00:38:26,763 Which is the front and which is the back? 1080 00:38:26,763 --> 00:38:28,765 The idea of the Depends party was around 1081 00:38:28,765 --> 00:38:30,725 before the trip even began. 1082 00:38:30,725 --> 00:38:33,645 Just strap on a bunch of Depends adult diapers, 1083 00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:35,438 sit around in a hotel room, 1084 00:38:35,438 --> 00:38:38,358 drink beer, and piss ourselves. 1085 00:38:38,358 --> 00:38:40,276 It was Jeff's idea but it became my dream. 1086 00:38:40,276 --> 00:38:41,694 Oh yeah, this is a funky song. 1087 00:38:41,694 --> 00:38:42,987 I like it, I like it. 1088 00:38:42,987 --> 00:38:45,240 Oh, you guys, look, I'm about to pee. 1089 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,700 I'm peeing, I'm peeing! 1090 00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:49,202 (laughter) 1091 00:38:49,202 --> 00:38:50,453 Oh my God, it works. 1092 00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:54,833 Peeing yourself is every bit as weird 1093 00:38:54,833 --> 00:38:56,793 as you imagine it would be. 1094 00:38:56,793 --> 00:38:59,671 Oh, I just did it, I just peed. 1095 00:38:59,671 --> 00:39:02,382 It's that feeling like when you're in a dream of, 1096 00:39:02,382 --> 00:39:04,259 "Wake up, wake up, it's time to wake up. 1097 00:39:04,259 --> 00:39:05,969 Something really wrong is happening," 1098 00:39:05,969 --> 00:39:07,512 except for it's real. 1099 00:39:07,512 --> 00:39:09,097 I just peed again. 1100 00:39:09,097 --> 00:39:11,432 You guys, that's three times now. 1101 00:39:11,432 --> 00:39:13,351 What are you doing? 1102 00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:14,978 I'm taking a poo. 1103 00:39:14,978 --> 00:39:17,313 ‐‐in his wardrobe to confirm that. 1104 00:39:17,313 --> 00:39:19,065 How you feelin' in that poo diaper? 1105 00:39:19,065 --> 00:39:20,567 (group responds with disgust) 1106 00:39:20,567 --> 00:39:21,651 They're a really good product, 1107 00:39:21,651 --> 00:39:22,819 like they hold your pee, 1108 00:39:22,819 --> 00:39:23,820 they hold the shit, 1109 00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:25,738 and they held the stink in. 1110 00:39:25,738 --> 00:39:27,407 He pooed his Depends. 1111 00:39:27,407 --> 00:39:28,366 Look at that. 1112 00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:29,993 'Cause when I took 'em off 1113 00:39:29,993 --> 00:39:33,121 to show everybody what I had made, 1114 00:39:33,121 --> 00:39:35,164 Rick puked. 1115 00:39:35,164 --> 00:39:36,457 He couldn't handle it. 1116 00:39:36,457 --> 00:39:37,876 It was that bad. 1117 00:39:37,876 --> 00:39:39,669 Video Rick, video Rick, he's puking! 1118 00:39:39,669 --> 00:39:41,004 Are you puking, Rick? 1119 00:39:41,004 --> 00:39:43,631 (laughter) 1120 00:39:43,631 --> 00:39:45,842 I'm going to be fucking sick, man. 1121 00:39:45,842 --> 00:39:48,553 That's fucking gross. 1122 00:39:48,553 --> 00:39:50,597 My parents somehow, 1123 00:39:50,597 --> 00:39:52,098 they somehow saw Shit, 1124 00:39:52,098 --> 00:39:53,474 I don't know how, 1125 00:39:53,474 --> 00:39:57,645 and they were very, very, very disappointed. 1126 00:39:57,645 --> 00:40:00,690 And that's what they said, that was three verys. 1127 00:40:00,690 --> 00:40:02,483 13‐year‐old Chris Kearns and his buddies 1128 00:40:02,483 --> 00:40:04,152 have just taken up skateboarding. 1129 00:40:04,152 --> 00:40:06,154 Chris decided to go to this Barnes & Noble store 1130 00:40:06,154 --> 00:40:09,532 in Roseville to pick up a skateboarding magazine. 1131 00:40:09,532 --> 00:40:12,118 I thought that there'd be, like, tricks and stuff in it. 1132 00:40:12,118 --> 00:40:14,662 But what Chris found inside Big Brother magazine 1133 00:40:14,662 --> 00:40:17,999 was an eye‐opening look into the world of adult material. 1134 00:40:17,999 --> 00:40:19,000 Frontal nudity, 1135 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,543 picture of people masturbating, 1136 00:40:20,543 --> 00:40:22,503 and even a Pink Panther with an erection 1137 00:40:22,503 --> 00:40:24,923 are found on the pages of the magazine. 1138 00:40:24,923 --> 00:40:26,549 Right around this time, 1139 00:40:26,549 --> 00:40:30,053 we got into some real trouble with the city of El Segundo. 1140 00:40:30,053 --> 00:40:33,056 Big Brother is aimed at little brother, 1141 00:40:33,056 --> 00:40:35,058 and that's what we're against. 1142 00:40:35,058 --> 00:40:37,727 I don't care if 18 years and above 1143 00:40:37,727 --> 00:40:39,771 read this garbage, 1144 00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:41,856 do whatever they want with it, 1145 00:40:41,856 --> 00:40:46,361 but not at my children, not at any child. 1146 00:40:46,361 --> 00:40:47,820 Thank you. 1147 00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:49,447 (applause) 1148 00:40:49,447 --> 00:40:51,115 I think it's up to this city council 1149 00:40:51,115 --> 00:40:54,160 to do legally what we can do to shut this down. 1150 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,538 Every legal way possible, because it's time. 1151 00:40:57,538 --> 00:41:00,750 Right now, we're going to say "no more" 1152 00:41:00,750 --> 00:41:01,751 to the Roccos 1153 00:41:01,751 --> 00:41:03,336 and to everybody else out there 1154 00:41:03,336 --> 00:41:05,213 that has this kind of garbage 1155 00:41:05,213 --> 00:41:08,716 and that are playing against the young people. 1156 00:41:08,716 --> 00:41:10,259 No more. 1157 00:41:10,259 --> 00:41:12,345 I really don't think taking away one little magazine 1158 00:41:12,345 --> 00:41:15,306 ‐is going to solve your problem. ‐It's a start. 1159 00:41:15,306 --> 00:41:19,018 A marathon race is started with a first step. 1160 00:41:19,018 --> 00:41:20,895 You bet we‐‐ 1161 00:41:20,895 --> 00:41:23,064 (applause) 1162 00:41:23,064 --> 00:41:25,024 The news got hot on that. 1163 00:41:25,024 --> 00:41:28,319 We were on the news pretty quickly after that. 1164 00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:32,740 Sylvia Lopez has the story behind Big Brother magazine. 1165 00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:35,618 KCAL9 News shows up. 1166 00:41:35,618 --> 00:41:37,996 I'm going to be interviewing him. 1167 00:41:37,996 --> 00:41:39,914 What are you going to do with all this tape? 1168 00:41:39,914 --> 00:41:41,290 And we knew they were coming, 1169 00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:47,630 so we all made hats that said "Channel 13 News." 1170 00:41:47,630 --> 00:41:49,298 ‐Is that going to be... ‐This is already up. 1171 00:41:49,298 --> 00:41:50,800 Why don't you film it, you should film it. 1172 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,343 This is going to be in the magazine? 1173 00:41:52,343 --> 00:41:53,928 It's already out, we've already published this. 1174 00:41:53,928 --> 00:41:55,596 ‐Which one is it? ‐Number nine. 1175 00:41:55,596 --> 00:41:58,474 We just tried to sabotage their interview of us, 1176 00:41:58,474 --> 00:42:01,060 and then they interviewed me 1177 00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:04,731 and just caught me out there. 1178 00:42:04,731 --> 00:42:06,524 Then they cropped out the funny, 1179 00:42:06,524 --> 00:42:07,859 so we thought we had them, 1180 00:42:07,859 --> 00:42:10,028 but they just had me cropped in tight. 1181 00:42:10,028 --> 00:42:12,155 Basically, it's just all in the name of humor, 1182 00:42:12,155 --> 00:42:14,365 that's what we're doing, and I think it's very obvious. 1183 00:42:14,365 --> 00:42:16,367 But Tremaine couldn't defend the publication 1184 00:42:16,367 --> 00:42:18,119 of sexually explicit materials 1185 00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:20,621 in a magazine whose readers are kids. 1186 00:42:20,621 --> 00:42:24,083 There is some very sexually explicit stuff in there. 1187 00:42:24,083 --> 00:42:25,752 Yeah, there is. 1188 00:42:25,752 --> 00:42:27,170 Pornographic, I mean, 1189 00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:29,756 I think you'd have to label it that way. 1190 00:42:29,756 --> 00:42:31,007 Well... 1191 00:42:31,007 --> 00:42:33,176 you can label it, you know‐‐like I said, 1192 00:42:33,176 --> 00:42:35,303 I didn't really want to even go on camera, so. 1193 00:42:35,303 --> 00:42:38,681 A Barnes & Noble spokeswoman issued this statement, saying: 1194 00:42:46,355 --> 00:42:47,523 ♪ 1195 00:42:47,523 --> 00:42:50,359 I guess that freaked everybody out and, like, 1196 00:42:50,359 --> 00:42:54,030 a lot of, like, the advertisers pulled out. 1197 00:42:54,030 --> 00:42:58,034 That seemed like the magazine could end at any time. 1198 00:42:58,034 --> 00:43:01,037 Big Brother never made money. 1199 00:43:01,037 --> 00:43:02,371 (laughs) 1200 00:43:02,371 --> 00:43:04,707 We, in fact, lost; we were a losing venture. 1201 00:43:04,707 --> 00:43:08,377 We didn't sell enough ads to generate enough 1202 00:43:08,377 --> 00:43:11,297 to really even pay the print bill. 1203 00:43:11,297 --> 00:43:13,925 My CFO, Scott, came to me. 1204 00:43:13,925 --> 00:43:16,260 He goes, "Every time you put out an issue of Big Brother, 1205 00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:20,515 you guys lose, like, $50,000." 1206 00:43:20,515 --> 00:43:22,558 We knew Big Brother never made money, 1207 00:43:22,558 --> 00:43:25,394 but we didn't know it lost that much money. 1208 00:43:25,394 --> 00:43:29,107 And so it kind of became clear that, you know... 1209 00:43:29,107 --> 00:43:30,608 we might be on thin ice. 1210 00:43:30,608 --> 00:43:31,526 ♪ 1211 00:43:31,526 --> 00:43:33,319 People were protesting World Industries. 1212 00:43:33,319 --> 00:43:36,405 City of El Segundo wanted to kick us out. 1213 00:43:36,405 --> 00:43:38,074 I was thinking, "God, should we just, like, 1214 00:43:38,074 --> 00:43:40,535 fold it" or this and that, and Scott goes, 1215 00:43:40,535 --> 00:43:41,702 "Don't‐‐don't, don't, don't, don't. 1216 00:43:41,702 --> 00:43:43,371 We can‐‐we can sell it." 1217 00:43:43,371 --> 00:43:45,331 And I'm just, like, "Who in the fuck 1218 00:43:45,331 --> 00:43:48,459 would buy, like‐‐ are you kidding me? 1219 00:43:48,459 --> 00:43:50,419 Are you kidding me?" 1220 00:43:50,419 --> 00:43:51,712 And he goes, "Trust me." 1221 00:43:51,712 --> 00:43:53,631 And then, I was in Hawaii at the time, 1222 00:43:53,631 --> 00:43:56,092 and he called me up and goes, 1223 00:43:56,092 --> 00:43:57,760 "Larry Flynt wants to buy it." 1224 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:58,928 ♪ 1225 00:43:58,928 --> 00:44:00,221 I showed up for work one day 1226 00:44:00,221 --> 00:44:02,515 and Rocco pulled me in and told me that 1227 00:44:02,515 --> 00:44:06,102 Larry Flynt's buying the magazine. 1228 00:44:06,102 --> 00:44:07,770 I don't remember exactly how I felt about it. 1229 00:44:07,770 --> 00:44:10,106 I‐‐I know, I think I was a little nervous 1230 00:44:10,106 --> 00:44:11,607 because we'd had our own little kingdom. 1231 00:44:11,607 --> 00:44:14,277 There was no one to answer to, absolutely no one. 1232 00:44:14,277 --> 00:44:15,736 We were doing our own thing. 1233 00:44:15,736 --> 00:44:17,488 Get that out of here! 1234 00:44:17,488 --> 00:44:20,074 But it's Larry Flynt, right, so it's going to be cool, 1235 00:44:20,074 --> 00:44:22,577 it's going be awesome. 1236 00:44:22,577 --> 00:44:25,538 Larry Flynt was a pornographer. 1237 00:44:25,538 --> 00:44:27,081 He was the publisher of Hustler magazine 1238 00:44:27,081 --> 00:44:30,042 and he was a champion of First Amendment rights. 1239 00:44:30,042 --> 00:44:32,587 But I was most excited about working for him 1240 00:44:32,587 --> 00:44:35,256 because it was an actual publishing company 1241 00:44:35,256 --> 00:44:38,467 and the magazine would have actual distribution 1242 00:44:38,467 --> 00:44:41,596 and be on real newsstands. 1243 00:44:41,596 --> 00:44:43,598 I wasn't excited about it. 1244 00:44:43,598 --> 00:44:46,767 Larry Flynt had a lot of rules that we had to follow 1245 00:44:46,767 --> 00:44:49,687 and one of them was a strict dress code. 1246 00:44:49,687 --> 00:44:52,106 LFP was a corporate environment. 1247 00:44:52,106 --> 00:44:53,816 And so, yeah, they wanted us to wear, like, 1248 00:44:53,816 --> 00:44:58,237 collar shirts and khaki pants and business casual or some shit 1249 00:44:58,237 --> 00:45:00,406 and we were, like, "We're a skateboard magazine, 1250 00:45:00,406 --> 00:45:04,911 we can't dress like we're fucking Best Buy employees." 1251 00:45:04,911 --> 00:45:07,163 They turned a blind eye to us, 1252 00:45:07,163 --> 00:45:08,873 but the rest of the building, you know, 1253 00:45:08,873 --> 00:45:10,833 had to dress up like 1254 00:45:10,833 --> 00:45:12,960 these half‐assed corporate employees. 1255 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,379 ♪ 1256 00:45:15,379 --> 00:45:18,257 And I just remember being really struck by 1257 00:45:18,257 --> 00:45:19,926 the fact that this magazine 1258 00:45:19,926 --> 00:45:22,220 was a totally different product each time, 1259 00:45:22,220 --> 00:45:24,347 and I realized, these are guys 1260 00:45:24,347 --> 00:45:26,349 who don't want to get bored. 1261 00:45:26,349 --> 00:45:29,310 Like, literally, they reinvented it every month. 1262 00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:31,604 It was like, uh... 1263 00:45:31,604 --> 00:45:33,439 you just knew that there was a lot 1264 00:45:33,439 --> 00:45:35,691 of creativity and talent and energy there, 1265 00:45:35,691 --> 00:45:37,693 and that they were going to go places. 1266 00:45:37,693 --> 00:45:38,945 ♪ 1267 00:45:38,945 --> 00:45:41,572 I remember when Flynt Publications 1268 00:45:41,572 --> 00:45:45,368 bought Big Brother, and I just thought that... 1269 00:45:45,368 --> 00:45:47,036 well, it's a relatively good fit, 1270 00:45:47,036 --> 00:45:48,704 because they are shocking, but then I thought, 1271 00:45:48,704 --> 00:45:50,873 "Well, does that mean it's going to go to porn?" 1272 00:45:50,873 --> 00:45:53,751 And the irony was that once Flynt took it over, 1273 00:45:53,751 --> 00:45:55,670 it got mellower. 1274 00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:57,672 I mean, it wasn't, like, conservative, 1275 00:45:57,672 --> 00:46:01,842 but, like, Larry Flynt wasn't, like, you know... 1276 00:46:01,842 --> 00:46:03,803 he wasn't out to, like‐‐ 1277 00:46:03,803 --> 00:46:06,973 he didn't buy Big Brother for, like, the tits. 1278 00:46:06,973 --> 00:46:09,809 We were publishing a number of porn magazines. 1279 00:46:09,809 --> 00:46:11,894 It didn't make any sense to do any more of them. 1280 00:46:11,894 --> 00:46:14,939 So we were going after the mainstream media, 1281 00:46:14,939 --> 00:46:16,983 trying to find niche areas 1282 00:46:16,983 --> 00:46:18,734 that we could be successful in, 1283 00:46:18,734 --> 00:46:22,989 whether it be skateboarding or whatever. 1284 00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:26,242 So immediately after we started at Flynt, 1285 00:46:26,242 --> 00:46:29,078 there was no more boobs, no more dicks. 1286 00:46:29,078 --> 00:46:31,247 Any genitalia had to be covered. 1287 00:46:31,247 --> 00:46:35,084 We were always trying to get away with shit, 1288 00:46:35,084 --> 00:46:36,502 and so we thought it'd be really funny, 1289 00:46:36,502 --> 00:46:38,921 what if we hid a really naughty picture 1290 00:46:38,921 --> 00:46:41,173 and a bad word right on the cover? 1291 00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:44,593 But we got caught, like, right here. 1292 00:46:44,593 --> 00:46:45,594 These are called cover blurbs, 1293 00:46:45,594 --> 00:46:46,846 and if you look here, 1294 00:46:46,846 --> 00:46:51,726 P‐U‐S‐S‐Y. 1295 00:46:51,726 --> 00:46:53,394 Like, you know, 1296 00:46:53,394 --> 00:46:55,271 sometimes, we would get away with it 1297 00:46:55,271 --> 00:46:56,689 and sometimes we wouldn't. 1298 00:46:56,689 --> 00:46:58,149 Tonight, a local El Cajon couple 1299 00:46:58,149 --> 00:47:00,526 is outraged by a national magazine 1300 00:47:00,526 --> 00:47:03,279 aimed at kids who like skateboarding. 1301 00:47:03,279 --> 00:47:07,450 Yeah, the Kids Issue we got in trouble for. 1302 00:47:07,450 --> 00:47:09,535 With big block lettering, 1303 00:47:09,535 --> 00:47:10,745 bright colors, 1304 00:47:10,745 --> 00:47:12,079 bold print, 1305 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:14,790 and the words "Kids Issue" in one corner, 1306 00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:18,252 Sheryl Templeton thought she knew what she was buying. 1307 00:47:18,252 --> 00:47:21,505 Parents looked at the cover and they saw "Kids Issue." 1308 00:47:21,505 --> 00:47:23,883 But you'll notice there's no apostrophe there. 1309 00:47:23,883 --> 00:47:26,218 This isn't an issue for kids, 1310 00:47:26,218 --> 00:47:28,429 this is an issue about kids. 1311 00:47:28,429 --> 00:47:30,556 But I was just livid. 1312 00:47:30,556 --> 00:47:33,309 Colton's dad found references to bestiality, 1313 00:47:33,309 --> 00:47:35,186 nudity, suicide, and more, 1314 00:47:35,186 --> 00:47:37,605 all mixed in with kids' interviews. 1315 00:47:37,605 --> 00:47:41,734 One of the questions I think every kid got asked was, 1316 00:47:41,734 --> 00:47:44,195 "Would you f‐‐‐ your mom 1317 00:47:44,195 --> 00:47:46,822 to be as good as the Muska?" 1318 00:47:46,822 --> 00:47:49,283 Because Muska was the best skater at the time. 1319 00:47:49,283 --> 00:47:51,535 You know, thank God my questions weren't as bad as some 1320 00:47:51,535 --> 00:47:54,663 of these other kids that I saw, you know? 1321 00:47:54,663 --> 00:47:57,166 I remember watching the news a little bit later, 1322 00:47:57,166 --> 00:47:59,043 and then I saw the cover on the news 1323 00:47:59,043 --> 00:48:01,337 and I was like, "Mom, that's me!" 1324 00:48:01,337 --> 00:48:02,797 And then they were talking about all the controversy, 1325 00:48:02,797 --> 00:48:05,091 and then she had to kick me out of the room. 1326 00:48:05,091 --> 00:48:06,217 I'm outraged at this. 1327 00:48:06,217 --> 00:48:08,344 Read on and it gets worse. 1328 00:48:08,344 --> 00:48:10,721 This section titled "How to Make a Kid" 1329 00:48:10,721 --> 00:48:12,515 describes sexual intercourse 1330 00:48:12,515 --> 00:48:14,475 in the form of a baking recipe. 1331 00:48:14,475 --> 00:48:16,769 It's so bad, we can't even show it to you. 1332 00:48:16,769 --> 00:48:18,312 Who publishes this? 1333 00:48:18,312 --> 00:48:20,022 Actually, that's the only part about all of this 1334 00:48:20,022 --> 00:48:21,524 that isn't shocking, 1335 00:48:21,524 --> 00:48:24,026 because the publisher of Big Brother Skateboarding 1336 00:48:24,026 --> 00:48:27,655 is self‐proclaimed pornographer Larry Flynt. 1337 00:48:27,655 --> 00:48:29,407 Some of the things in here just seem like 1338 00:48:29,407 --> 00:48:30,991 they're trying to break down children's inhibitions 1339 00:48:30,991 --> 00:48:33,160 by asking children, for example, 1340 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,995 "Do you know what a scrotum is?" 1341 00:48:34,995 --> 00:48:37,039 "Do you have pubic hair yet?" 1342 00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:40,292 "Would you have sex with your mother?" 1343 00:48:40,292 --> 00:48:43,796 Well, that's kind of kinky, you know? 1344 00:48:43,796 --> 00:48:45,256 We got in the news for that, 1345 00:48:45,256 --> 00:48:46,632 but it never caused any problems. 1346 00:48:46,632 --> 00:48:47,967 The one issue that I thought‐‐ 1347 00:48:47,967 --> 00:48:50,052 I was like, "This is the demise of us. 1348 00:48:50,052 --> 00:48:51,971 Larry Flynt's going down, we're going down, 1349 00:48:51,971 --> 00:48:53,639 everybody's going down." 1350 00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:58,227 Because the Big Brother subscribers got sent 1351 00:48:58,227 --> 00:49:00,104 an issue of Taboo magazine, 1352 00:49:00,104 --> 00:49:01,897 the lists got switched. 1353 00:49:01,897 --> 00:49:05,109 So Flynt had this porn magazine called Taboo. 1354 00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:06,569 It was their naughtiest magazine, 1355 00:49:06,569 --> 00:49:09,196 it was the one that had girls peeing on people. 1356 00:49:09,196 --> 00:49:12,741 Like, just their most radical title was Taboo. 1357 00:49:12,741 --> 00:49:14,618 And not only is it Taboo magazine, 1358 00:49:14,618 --> 00:49:17,580 but it's the fisting issue of Taboo magazine. 1359 00:49:17,580 --> 00:49:18,914 On the cover, 1360 00:49:18,914 --> 00:49:22,418 there's a black fist covered in K‐Y 1361 00:49:22,418 --> 00:49:24,295 in front of a girl, 1362 00:49:24,295 --> 00:49:26,338 and I'm thinking, 1363 00:49:26,338 --> 00:49:29,175 "This magazine is going unsolicited 1364 00:49:29,175 --> 00:49:31,469 into people's homes 1365 00:49:31,469 --> 00:49:35,347 to probably a lot of underage kids." 1366 00:49:35,347 --> 00:49:36,223 ♪ 1367 00:49:36,223 --> 00:49:38,350 "And that's got to be illegal." 1368 00:49:38,350 --> 00:49:39,768 Here's an odd story. 1369 00:49:39,768 --> 00:49:41,145 There's this magazine for skateboarders 1370 00:49:41,145 --> 00:49:43,314 called Big Brother Skateboard magazine. 1371 00:49:43,314 --> 00:49:45,816 Larry Flynt puts it out. 1372 00:49:45,816 --> 00:49:48,027 Well, somehow, all the subscribers‐‐ 1373 00:49:48,027 --> 00:49:49,403 Larry Flynt said last night on the news, 1374 00:49:49,403 --> 00:49:50,863 they got the mailings mixed up. 1375 00:49:50,863 --> 00:49:52,740 Somehow, subscribers to the skateboard magazine 1376 00:49:52,740 --> 00:49:57,369 actually got copies of the adult magazine Taboo instead. 1377 00:49:57,369 --> 00:49:58,913 (laughter) 1378 00:49:58,913 --> 00:50:00,289 You know who I feel sorry for? 1379 00:50:00,289 --> 00:50:02,625 The guys who subscribe to Taboo. 1380 00:50:02,625 --> 00:50:05,002 They wound up getting the skateboard magazine. 1381 00:50:05,002 --> 00:50:07,254 Those are the ones that I feel, I feel... 1382 00:50:09,465 --> 00:50:12,176 Kev, what is this? 1383 00:50:12,176 --> 00:50:14,136 (audience hoots, applauds) 1384 00:50:14,136 --> 00:50:16,847 And that was it, then that was done. 1385 00:50:16,847 --> 00:50:18,516 And anytime you get on the television, 1386 00:50:18,516 --> 00:50:20,684 advertisers who were maybe on the fence are like, 1387 00:50:20,684 --> 00:50:23,145 "Well, more people are picking up this magazine now, 1388 00:50:23,145 --> 00:50:24,980 so I'm going to advertise in it." 1389 00:50:24,980 --> 00:50:27,691 Some stupid skateboarding magazine. 1390 00:50:27,691 --> 00:50:29,276 (audience laughter) 1391 00:50:29,276 --> 00:50:31,320 So it wasn't a bad thing for us. 1392 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,948 Anytime anything like that happened, you know, 1393 00:50:33,948 --> 00:50:36,784 boom, we would just sell magazines. 1394 00:50:36,784 --> 00:50:38,244 It was great. 1395 00:50:38,244 --> 00:50:40,704 Aside from losing the gratuitous nudity, 1396 00:50:40,704 --> 00:50:41,997 the most troubling thing 1397 00:50:41,997 --> 00:50:44,208 was that Flynt wanted us to go monthly. 1398 00:50:44,208 --> 00:50:46,502 That scared the shit out of me. 1399 00:50:46,502 --> 00:50:49,338 Look, we were barely keeping our head above water 1400 00:50:49,338 --> 00:50:51,799 and keeping enough content 1401 00:50:51,799 --> 00:50:54,051 for a bi‐monthly magazine. 1402 00:50:54,051 --> 00:50:56,512 But we got a bunch of new contributors. 1403 00:50:56,512 --> 00:50:59,306 I came across a copy of Big Brother 1404 00:50:59,306 --> 00:51:02,184 and I fell in love with it instantly. 1405 00:51:02,184 --> 00:51:04,436 Chris Nieratko started writing for us. 1406 00:51:04,436 --> 00:51:06,146 He would mainly do music interviews, 1407 00:51:06,146 --> 00:51:10,651 and he would ask the artist the craziest questions. 1408 00:51:10,651 --> 00:51:12,361 Like, he asked Big Pun, 1409 00:51:12,361 --> 00:51:15,030 "What's the most expensive pair of sneakers you own?" 1410 00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:16,615 and followed it up with, 1411 00:51:16,615 --> 00:51:18,033 "Don't you think that's kind of a waste of money, 1412 00:51:18,033 --> 00:51:21,996 since you'll never be able to see them?" 1413 00:51:21,996 --> 00:51:24,081 No wonder Big Pun pulled a gun on him. 1414 00:51:24,081 --> 00:51:25,874 I almost didn't believe him 1415 00:51:25,874 --> 00:51:29,378 until I went with him to interview Ronnie James Dio, 1416 00:51:29,378 --> 00:51:32,840 the legendary singer of Black Sabbath. 1417 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,217 Yo, we're here to see Dio. 1418 00:51:35,217 --> 00:51:37,219 ♪ 1419 00:51:37,219 --> 00:51:39,096 We go into the interview, 1420 00:51:39,096 --> 00:51:40,848 and there's like these metalheads 1421 00:51:40,848 --> 00:51:42,683 in the waiting area, and they're like, 1422 00:51:42,683 --> 00:51:45,019 "Hey, don't ask him about Ozzy." 1423 00:51:45,019 --> 00:51:45,978 Don't ask him about this‐‐ 1424 00:51:45,978 --> 00:51:47,104 they're giving me these pointers. 1425 00:51:47,104 --> 00:51:49,481 Don't piss him off. 1426 00:51:49,481 --> 00:51:51,108 He might kick your ass. 1427 00:51:51,108 --> 00:51:54,236 I took notes on everything they told me not to ask about, 1428 00:51:54,236 --> 00:51:56,697 and that's everything that I asked about. 1429 00:51:56,697 --> 00:51:58,324 ‐How you doing? ‐Hey, Big Bro. 1430 00:51:58,324 --> 00:52:00,451 ‐How you doing? ‐How you guys doing? 1431 00:52:00,451 --> 00:52:02,578 Good, good, how are you? 1432 00:52:02,578 --> 00:52:03,662 He's a short little fucker, 1433 00:52:03,662 --> 00:52:04,955 and when I got in there, 1434 00:52:04,955 --> 00:52:06,457 it was the first thing I said. 1435 00:52:06,457 --> 00:52:08,250 How tall are you‐‐ you're pretty short, huh? 1436 00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:09,793 No, I'm actually 7‐foot‐9. 1437 00:52:09,793 --> 00:52:11,253 You look so short. 1438 00:52:11,253 --> 00:52:12,546 I can't believe that you didn't realize that. 1439 00:52:12,546 --> 00:52:14,340 The word is "small," not "short," 1440 00:52:14,340 --> 00:52:16,717 so don't piss me off or you won't get a good interview. 1441 00:52:16,717 --> 00:52:18,552 No, I'm not saying that it's a bad thing. 1442 00:52:18,552 --> 00:52:20,262 You said I was short, that pisses me off right away. 1443 00:52:20,262 --> 00:52:21,639 Out of the gates, 1444 00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:23,641 he just starts pushing his buttons hard, 1445 00:52:23,641 --> 00:52:26,393 and Dio's getting pissed. 1446 00:52:26,393 --> 00:52:28,729 How old are you anyway, Rodney? 1447 00:52:28,729 --> 00:52:29,938 ‐Ronnie. ‐Ronnie? 1448 00:52:29,938 --> 00:52:31,273 Yeah. 1449 00:52:31,273 --> 00:52:32,441 You're really fucking stepping your foot 1450 00:52:32,441 --> 00:52:33,692 in this one, aren't you, man? 1451 00:52:33,692 --> 00:52:36,028 I think I asked him 1452 00:52:36,028 --> 00:52:38,864 how they made him look so tall on the album covers 1453 00:52:38,864 --> 00:52:40,491 when he's such a short little fucker. 1454 00:52:40,491 --> 00:52:42,284 If you want me to beat the fuck out of you, 1455 00:52:42,284 --> 00:52:43,410 I'll be more than happy to. 1456 00:52:43,410 --> 00:52:45,120 ‐No, I don't want you to. ‐Let's just clear 1457 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,955 the fucking room and I'll kick your fucking ass for you; 1458 00:52:46,955 --> 00:52:48,791 if that's what you want, no problem from me. 1459 00:52:48,791 --> 00:52:50,459 ‐No, I don't‐‐ ‐I'm good at that. 1460 00:52:50,459 --> 00:52:52,294 I don't want that, I'm just asking. 1461 00:52:52,294 --> 00:52:53,879 Fine, let's go, come on, out. 1462 00:52:53,879 --> 00:52:55,130 Thank you very much. 1463 00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:56,340 And all hell broke loose. 1464 00:52:56,340 --> 00:52:57,800 He called for security. 1465 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,302 I don't appreciate this fucking shit either! 1466 00:53:00,302 --> 00:53:01,929 Just get out right now, out. 1467 00:53:01,929 --> 00:53:02,971 I mean out! 1468 00:53:02,971 --> 00:53:04,306 Out! 1469 00:53:04,306 --> 00:53:06,809 It turned into complete chaos. 1470 00:53:06,809 --> 00:53:09,978 And after that, I never doubted Nieratko again. 1471 00:53:09,978 --> 00:53:11,522 Hey, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to upset you. 1472 00:53:11,522 --> 00:53:13,482 You should be fucking sorry, mate. 1473 00:53:13,482 --> 00:53:16,485 (crowd chatter) 1474 00:53:16,485 --> 00:53:18,362 I was living in Albuquerque, New Mexico, 1475 00:53:18,362 --> 00:53:21,323 and when Big Brother came through town 1476 00:53:21,323 --> 00:53:24,868 with a skate tour for a shoe company called Duffs, 1477 00:53:24,868 --> 00:53:27,830 I just tracked those guys down. 1478 00:53:27,830 --> 00:53:29,039 Yeah, he found us. 1479 00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:30,958 We were on tour with Duffs, 1480 00:53:30,958 --> 00:53:33,127 and when he caught wind of that, 1481 00:53:33,127 --> 00:53:35,462 like, he just went off. 1482 00:53:35,462 --> 00:53:38,132 I wanted to be a skateboarder 1483 00:53:38,132 --> 00:53:40,092 and in skateboard media. 1484 00:53:40,092 --> 00:53:41,844 But I just wasn't that good at skateboarding. 1485 00:53:41,844 --> 00:53:44,471 So I just said, "Okay, screw the skateboarding. 1486 00:53:44,471 --> 00:53:46,765 I'm going to provide the comic relief." 1487 00:53:46,765 --> 00:53:48,183 ♪ 1488 00:53:48,183 --> 00:53:51,270 And Steve‐O had the idea to light his hair on fire 1489 00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:53,814 and have Markovich blow a fireball off his head. 1490 00:53:53,814 --> 00:53:55,315 What is that? 1491 00:53:55,315 --> 00:53:57,568 Hairspray. 1492 00:53:57,568 --> 00:53:59,111 Extremely flammable. 1493 00:53:59,111 --> 00:54:00,571 Which all sounds nifty and cool, 1494 00:54:00,571 --> 00:54:02,865 but what made it a hit was that the fireball 1495 00:54:02,865 --> 00:54:04,950 didn't get blown off of my head, 1496 00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:08,537 it got blown point‐blank directly into my face. 1497 00:54:08,537 --> 00:54:11,540 (crowd chatter) 1498 00:54:11,540 --> 00:54:12,750 (flame roars) 1499 00:54:12,750 --> 00:54:14,084 (screaming) 1500 00:54:14,084 --> 00:54:17,212 Markovich ended up blowing all the alcohol 1501 00:54:17,212 --> 00:54:19,047 in Steve‐O's face. 1502 00:54:19,047 --> 00:54:20,632 So when he lit it, 1503 00:54:20,632 --> 00:54:22,801 his whole head lit up. 1504 00:54:22,801 --> 00:54:26,513 Still did a back flip, and... 1505 00:54:26,513 --> 00:54:28,557 that was in the article. 1506 00:54:28,557 --> 00:54:30,184 ♪ 1507 00:54:30,184 --> 00:54:34,938 That's when Steve‐O first was in the pages of Big Brother. 1508 00:54:34,938 --> 00:54:36,148 His dream, 1509 00:54:36,148 --> 00:54:38,859 but he burnt his face off to do it. 1510 00:54:38,859 --> 00:54:41,403 That's how we got introduced to Steve‐O. 1511 00:54:41,403 --> 00:54:42,780 ♪ 1512 00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:46,033 But the first time I met Steve‐O in person, 1513 00:54:46,033 --> 00:54:48,327 we did our Florida tour. 1514 00:54:48,327 --> 00:54:49,953 Steve‐O was red hot. 1515 00:54:49,953 --> 00:54:54,041 He wanted to be in front of the cameras so bad. 1516 00:54:54,041 --> 00:54:55,501 But he was also super annoying 1517 00:54:55,501 --> 00:54:56,793 the whole time. 1518 00:54:56,793 --> 00:54:58,128 (projectile whines) 1519 00:54:58,128 --> 00:54:59,671 I kind of had the same effect on everybody. 1520 00:54:59,671 --> 00:55:01,423 I was, like, super annoying. 1521 00:55:01,423 --> 00:55:04,009 I should say, they were annoyed. 1522 00:55:04,009 --> 00:55:05,385 (chortles) 1523 00:55:05,385 --> 00:55:08,597 I wasn't annoying, they were annoyed. 1524 00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:11,892 But goddamn, did he deliver. 1525 00:55:11,892 --> 00:55:15,687 Like, he did this front flip‐and‐a‐half 1526 00:55:15,687 --> 00:55:19,900 off this bridge and just ate shit. 1527 00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:27,658 ♪ 1528 00:55:27,658 --> 00:55:28,951 I think we tried to ditch him then. 1529 00:55:28,951 --> 00:55:30,285 He was in the water, 1530 00:55:30,285 --> 00:55:31,620 and I'm pretty sure we were going to 1531 00:55:31,620 --> 00:55:33,830 load up the car and ditch him there. 1532 00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:36,959 But motherfucker, he just somehow 1533 00:55:36,959 --> 00:55:38,502 scurried back in, saw us, 1534 00:55:38,502 --> 00:55:40,587 and just got on the case. 1535 00:55:40,587 --> 00:55:43,799 And...could not ditch him. 1536 00:55:43,799 --> 00:55:45,008 I did everything I could 1537 00:55:45,008 --> 00:55:47,344 to force my way into the scene. 1538 00:55:47,344 --> 00:55:49,304 I practiced my autograph for years 1539 00:55:49,304 --> 00:55:51,265 before anybody ever wanted it. 1540 00:55:51,265 --> 00:55:54,393 I just wanted to be famous so fucking bad 1541 00:55:54,393 --> 00:55:55,936 that the first time I got recognized 1542 00:55:55,936 --> 00:55:59,064 for being in a Big Brother video, 1543 00:55:59,064 --> 00:56:01,942 like, it was... 1544 00:56:01,942 --> 00:56:03,694 you know, like, "Ahhh!" 1545 00:56:05,195 --> 00:56:06,822 Well, I'm Johnny Knoxville, 1546 00:56:06,822 --> 00:56:08,323 United States of America, 1547 00:56:08,323 --> 00:56:09,866 and I'll be doing a little article 1548 00:56:09,866 --> 00:56:11,451 on self‐defense equipment. 1549 00:56:11,451 --> 00:56:14,079 I'd met Knoxville through Spike, 1550 00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:15,706 and he was a writer at the time, 1551 00:56:15,706 --> 00:56:18,000 he was writing for another magazine. 1552 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,836 I didn't write for Big Brother for a long time because 1553 00:56:20,836 --> 00:56:22,588 I didn't‐‐I didn't skate, 1554 00:56:22,588 --> 00:56:24,715 and I don't know what I'm going to write about 1555 00:56:24,715 --> 00:56:26,008 if I don't skate. 1556 00:56:26,008 --> 00:56:27,050 But it wasn't just skating, 1557 00:56:27,050 --> 00:56:28,594 it was a lot of bad behavior, 1558 00:56:28,594 --> 00:56:30,345 which I could do. 1559 00:56:30,345 --> 00:56:33,223 He came to us with the idea to do a product review 1560 00:56:33,223 --> 00:56:35,601 on various self‐defense items. 1561 00:56:35,601 --> 00:56:37,686 I'm going to start off 1562 00:56:37,686 --> 00:56:42,190 by spraying myself with SABRE Red Pepper Spray. 1563 00:56:42,190 --> 00:56:45,694 It's the highest concentration you can get. 1564 00:56:45,694 --> 00:56:48,196 He was going to pepper spray himself, 1565 00:56:48,196 --> 00:56:49,865 stun gun himself, 1566 00:56:49,865 --> 00:56:52,451 shoot taser darts into himself, 1567 00:56:52,451 --> 00:56:53,785 and then eventually, 1568 00:56:53,785 --> 00:56:54,995 putting on a bulletproof vest 1569 00:56:54,995 --> 00:56:57,956 and shooting himself. 1570 00:56:57,956 --> 00:57:02,044 Well, you know, I'd moved out to Los Angeles 1571 00:57:02,044 --> 00:57:03,712 to become an actor 1572 00:57:03,712 --> 00:57:06,381 five or six or seven years prior, 1573 00:57:06,381 --> 00:57:10,344 and I'd really not done anything about it. 1574 00:57:10,344 --> 00:57:13,305 And then my girlfriend at the time got pregnant, 1575 00:57:13,305 --> 00:57:17,392 and that was a huge wake‐up call in my life, 1576 00:57:17,392 --> 00:57:20,395 that I have to do something quick. 1577 00:57:20,395 --> 00:57:22,606 Then we're going to drive out to the desert 1578 00:57:22,606 --> 00:57:27,110 and I have a .38 hammerless 1579 00:57:27,110 --> 00:57:29,029 nice and light Smith & Wesson 1580 00:57:29,029 --> 00:57:31,490 that's got all the stopping power of a 9mm, 1581 00:57:31,490 --> 00:57:35,327 and I'll be getting shot in the chest 1582 00:57:35,327 --> 00:57:40,791 with this 911 Level IIA Kevlar vest. 1583 00:57:40,791 --> 00:57:42,793 He doesn't have a pot to piss in at this time, 1584 00:57:42,793 --> 00:57:44,920 so the bulletproof vest he got 1585 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,589 was the cheapest one on the market. 1586 00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:50,092 I wish I had enough money 1587 00:57:50,092 --> 00:57:52,594 for the most expensive vest, but I didn't. 1588 00:57:52,594 --> 00:57:54,596 Those were like $700 or a grand, 1589 00:57:54,596 --> 00:57:57,599 and there is no way I had that kind of scratch. 1590 00:57:57,599 --> 00:57:59,559 I thought that was a great idea for an article 1591 00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:01,561 and thought, man, we should film this, 1592 00:58:01,561 --> 00:58:02,604 this is going to be great. 1593 00:58:02,604 --> 00:58:04,481 But we should film it too. 1594 00:58:04,481 --> 00:58:06,775 ‐You just tell me when to go. ‐Okay. 1595 00:58:06,775 --> 00:58:07,943 We filmed the first three things 1596 00:58:07,943 --> 00:58:10,529 at Beautiful Jason's house. 1597 00:58:10,529 --> 00:58:12,614 And it seemed to go‐‐ 1598 00:58:12,614 --> 00:58:14,533 I mean, we couldn't see from the footage, 1599 00:58:14,533 --> 00:58:17,619 but it felt like we were getting something. 1600 00:58:17,619 --> 00:58:19,037 Hit me! 1601 00:58:19,037 --> 00:58:21,289 (grunts) 1602 00:58:21,289 --> 00:58:24,251 (exclaims) 1603 00:58:24,251 --> 00:58:25,794 Mm! 1604 00:58:28,380 --> 00:58:31,049 Oh my God! 1605 00:58:31,049 --> 00:58:33,260 And when he came back with these tapes, 1606 00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:35,137 it was so compelling. 1607 00:58:35,137 --> 00:58:36,471 (yells) 1608 00:58:36,471 --> 00:58:37,764 Because Knoxville could talk to the camera, 1609 00:58:37,764 --> 00:58:39,558 he was the first guy that we had 1610 00:58:39,558 --> 00:58:42,352 that could actually talk on camera. 1611 00:58:42,352 --> 00:58:45,147 How you feeling, PJ? 1612 00:58:45,147 --> 00:58:48,150 Oh, I feel like my eyes have gonorrhea. 1613 00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:49,985 (exclaims) 1614 00:58:49,985 --> 00:58:52,112 He walked you through all these tests. 1615 00:58:52,112 --> 00:58:54,322 First it's the pepper spray. 1616 00:58:54,322 --> 00:58:55,699 You saw how bad that sucked. 1617 00:58:55,699 --> 00:58:58,702 Then it was the stun gun. 1618 00:58:58,702 --> 00:59:00,579 Charge! 1619 00:59:00,579 --> 00:59:01,830 (gun zapping) 1620 00:59:01,830 --> 00:59:03,081 (painful exclamation) 1621 00:59:03,081 --> 00:59:04,332 Fuck! 1622 00:59:04,332 --> 00:59:06,585 Third was the taser darts. 1623 00:59:06,585 --> 00:59:09,171 Weren't you on 90210 not too long ago? 1624 00:59:09,171 --> 00:59:10,839 (shouts of pain) 1625 00:59:10,839 --> 00:59:13,884 Oh, fucking hell! 1626 00:59:13,884 --> 00:59:15,719 And he's making it funny. 1627 00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:17,053 No, quit‐‐ 1628 00:59:17,053 --> 00:59:19,306 Ahh, fuck! 1629 00:59:19,306 --> 00:59:23,393 And then we had to decide where I was going to get shot. 1630 00:59:23,393 --> 00:59:24,561 Because we had no location, 1631 00:59:24,561 --> 00:59:26,480 and we just got on the freeway 1632 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,398 and started driving. 1633 00:59:28,398 --> 00:59:30,066 During the whole car ride out there, 1634 00:59:30,066 --> 00:59:34,738 the anxiety in the car was just getting higher and higher. 1635 00:59:34,738 --> 00:59:36,531 And then when we got to the fire road 1636 00:59:36,531 --> 00:59:37,699 and I pulled out the gun, 1637 00:59:37,699 --> 00:59:39,534 everyone started freaking out. 1638 00:59:39,534 --> 00:59:41,369 My friend Beautiful Jason who was supposed to shoot me 1639 00:59:41,369 --> 00:59:42,996 said, "I'm not shooting you." 1640 00:59:42,996 --> 00:59:45,499 He goes, "You got a kid, I'm friends with your wife. 1641 00:59:45,499 --> 00:59:47,459 I can't shoot you." 1642 00:59:47,459 --> 00:59:51,129 Like that, Jason? 1643 00:59:51,129 --> 00:59:54,174 How's that? 1644 00:59:54,174 --> 00:59:55,217 Hm? 1645 00:59:55,217 --> 00:59:56,635 ‐Huh? ‐How's that? 1646 00:59:56,635 --> 01:00:01,723 ♪ 1647 01:00:01,723 --> 01:00:03,308 Looks pretty good. 1648 01:00:03,308 --> 01:00:04,434 And then my friend Jeff Bender, 1649 01:00:04,434 --> 01:00:06,895 who's taking the still shots, 1650 01:00:06,895 --> 01:00:08,939 told me at that moment 1651 01:00:08,939 --> 01:00:11,566 that he'd watched a friend of his 1652 01:00:11,566 --> 01:00:14,486 die from doing a stunt. 1653 01:00:14,486 --> 01:00:15,904 Not great news. 1654 01:00:15,904 --> 01:00:18,240 So he was no longer taking still shots, 1655 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,368 and then Loomis, my friend Loomis, 1656 01:00:21,368 --> 01:00:22,911 stepped up and said, "I'll film you," 1657 01:00:22,911 --> 01:00:25,705 but he'd never worked a camera before‐‐ 1658 01:00:25,705 --> 01:00:28,041 or since, probably. 1659 01:00:28,041 --> 01:00:30,836 And he was just all over the place. 1660 01:00:30,836 --> 01:00:34,256 This is like a bad fucking scene right now. 1661 01:00:34,256 --> 01:00:36,800 I don't want anything to do with this crap. 1662 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,344 I wish somebody'd shoot me. 1663 01:00:39,344 --> 01:00:42,264 I'm not... 1664 01:00:42,264 --> 01:00:45,433 Say a prayer, dude. 1665 01:00:45,433 --> 01:00:49,104 PJ, we don't even know where there's a hospital. 1666 01:00:49,104 --> 01:00:50,313 You rolling? 1667 01:00:50,313 --> 01:00:51,690 Let's go. 1668 01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:53,441 ♪ 1669 01:00:53,441 --> 01:00:56,111 Let's fucking go, PJ. 1670 01:00:56,111 --> 01:01:00,615 This is beyond dumb. 1671 01:01:00,615 --> 01:01:01,950 PJ, let's fucking go. 1672 01:01:01,950 --> 01:01:03,535 (trigger clicks) 1673 01:01:03,535 --> 01:01:05,829 Let's go. 1674 01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:08,540 Now you've got to go the whole way around. 1675 01:01:08,540 --> 01:01:09,875 ‐Sure? ‐I can't handle this. 1676 01:01:09,875 --> 01:01:11,126 PJ, let's fucking‐‐ 1677 01:01:11,126 --> 01:01:12,961 Find out where the bullet went. 1678 01:01:12,961 --> 01:01:14,421 ‐PJ. ‐(trigger clicks) 1679 01:01:14,421 --> 01:01:18,633 Come on, man! 1680 01:01:18,633 --> 01:01:20,719 PJ, let's fucking go! 1681 01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:22,095 (trigger clicks) 1682 01:01:22,095 --> 01:01:23,513 I'm about to throw a fucking rock at you. 1683 01:01:23,513 --> 01:01:25,056 Let's go! 1684 01:01:30,478 --> 01:01:31,771 (trigger clicks) 1685 01:01:31,771 --> 01:01:33,648 ‐It's the next one. ‐PJ, come on! 1686 01:01:33,648 --> 01:01:36,985 I can't handle this. 1687 01:01:36,985 --> 01:01:39,237 PJ! 1688 01:01:39,237 --> 01:01:40,614 It's so fucking lame, 1689 01:01:40,614 --> 01:01:43,033 I can't even tell you right now. 1690 01:01:45,368 --> 01:01:46,453 Forget it. 1691 01:01:46,453 --> 01:01:48,163 (gunshot) 1692 01:01:49,331 --> 01:01:50,874 Let's go! 1693 01:01:52,334 --> 01:01:54,377 When the bullet finally went off, 1694 01:01:54,377 --> 01:01:56,338 it just threw me back. 1695 01:01:56,338 --> 01:01:57,464 Let's go, dude, just go. 1696 01:01:57,464 --> 01:01:58,506 Put it in that thing and go. 1697 01:01:58,506 --> 01:01:59,799 Just leave it in. 1698 01:01:59,799 --> 01:02:03,094 Like someone hit you in the chest with a shovel. 1699 01:02:03,094 --> 01:02:04,971 Just leave it on. 1700 01:02:04,971 --> 01:02:08,725 And this crazy rush of adrenaline shot through me 1701 01:02:08,725 --> 01:02:10,185 and I just remembered, like, 1702 01:02:10,185 --> 01:02:12,812 "Let's get the fuck out of here." 1703 01:02:12,812 --> 01:02:14,022 Jeff, will you drive? 1704 01:02:14,022 --> 01:02:17,233 And just so relieved that 1705 01:02:17,233 --> 01:02:20,362 I just didn't die. 1706 01:02:20,362 --> 01:02:22,197 You know? 1707 01:02:22,197 --> 01:02:25,575 Because... 1708 01:02:25,575 --> 01:02:27,535 PJ, how'd it feel? 1709 01:02:27,535 --> 01:02:28,328 It was cool. 1710 01:02:28,328 --> 01:02:29,871 Didn't hurt? 1711 01:02:29,871 --> 01:02:32,123 No, I was kind of scared, though. 1712 01:02:35,585 --> 01:02:38,713 I feel like Johnny Ace. 1713 01:02:38,713 --> 01:02:40,215 Playing Russian roulette. 1714 01:02:40,215 --> 01:02:43,510 It was cool like it took five times to do. 1715 01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:46,221 Yeah, that was marvelous. 1716 01:02:46,221 --> 01:02:47,764 See, it didn't even leave a fucking‐‐ 1717 01:02:47,764 --> 01:02:50,016 I told you guys. 1718 01:02:50,016 --> 01:02:54,854 I know when I went in the office that Monday, 1719 01:02:54,854 --> 01:02:56,106 everyone had seen the footage 1720 01:02:56,106 --> 01:02:57,816 and they were really excited, 1721 01:02:57,816 --> 01:03:00,276 so I was thrilled, because I‐‐you know, 1722 01:03:00,276 --> 01:03:04,406 I looked up to the Big Brother guys, 1723 01:03:04,406 --> 01:03:07,367 and that they liked the footage, 1724 01:03:07,367 --> 01:03:10,203 I remember being really proud of that. 1725 01:03:10,203 --> 01:03:12,038 Burritos on me. 1726 01:03:17,168 --> 01:03:19,754 Once Knoxville started getting involved with the magazine 1727 01:03:19,754 --> 01:03:21,506 and writing more, 1728 01:03:21,506 --> 01:03:24,676 and he was becoming a significant personality. 1729 01:03:24,676 --> 01:03:26,428 He's never even ridden a skateboard. 1730 01:03:26,428 --> 01:03:29,055 He has nothing to do with skateboarding, but... 1731 01:03:29,055 --> 01:03:32,142 here he is in this skateboard magazine. 1732 01:03:32,142 --> 01:03:33,935 He fit in perfect. 1733 01:03:33,935 --> 01:03:37,814 I felt like I finally found, like a home, 1734 01:03:37,814 --> 01:03:39,232 and this could be something, 1735 01:03:39,232 --> 01:03:41,359 and I think... 1736 01:03:41,359 --> 01:03:46,448 and I know Jeff felt that way too. 1737 01:03:46,448 --> 01:03:51,286 He‐‐he recognized that it was a special group. 1738 01:03:51,286 --> 01:03:53,371 ♪ 1739 01:03:53,371 --> 01:03:56,249 If there was any article that I remember vividly, 1740 01:03:56,249 --> 01:03:57,709 it was the self‐defense article 1741 01:03:57,709 --> 01:03:59,794 that Johnny Knoxville did, because... 1742 01:03:59,794 --> 01:04:01,880 he shot himself! 1743 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:03,882 And then, we knew you guys had it on video 1744 01:04:03,882 --> 01:04:05,175 and just figured, "Well, it'll be in 1745 01:04:05,175 --> 01:04:06,593 the next Big Brother video," 1746 01:04:06,593 --> 01:04:08,053 which was, you know, scattered skate stuff 1747 01:04:08,053 --> 01:04:09,763 and other highjinks, and then, all of a sudden, 1748 01:04:09,763 --> 01:04:13,058 it was like, "No, this is‐‐ this is a whole new thing." 1749 01:04:13,058 --> 01:04:14,893 I'm sure there's a fucking shit‐ton of people 1750 01:04:14,893 --> 01:04:16,311 that will get down on me for this right now, 1751 01:04:16,311 --> 01:04:18,480 but I don't remember the skating. 1752 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:19,564 I remember going, 1753 01:04:19,564 --> 01:04:21,357 "You have to see the video, 1754 01:04:21,357 --> 01:04:23,485 because this fucking weird dude from Tennessee 1755 01:04:23,485 --> 01:04:25,111 shoots himself." 1756 01:04:25,111 --> 01:04:27,322 (gunshot echoes) 1757 01:04:30,075 --> 01:04:31,659 I don't even know if it's a standout, 1758 01:04:31,659 --> 01:04:34,370 but for some reason, etched in my mind permanently 1759 01:04:34,370 --> 01:04:36,539 is the Poocano. 1760 01:04:36,539 --> 01:04:38,625 In the past thousand years, 1761 01:04:38,625 --> 01:04:42,420 volcanoes have claimed more than 300,000 lives. 1762 01:04:42,420 --> 01:04:44,297 Which is just such a shocking image. 1763 01:04:44,297 --> 01:04:46,299 No beauty more deadly 1764 01:04:46,299 --> 01:04:48,259 than the fire within. 1765 01:04:48,259 --> 01:04:52,388 ♪ 1766 01:04:52,388 --> 01:04:54,724 Pontius stole Carnie's thunder on the Poocano. 1767 01:04:54,724 --> 01:04:59,270 Like, the Poocano is Carnie's idea. 1768 01:04:59,270 --> 01:05:00,688 Carnie went to do his 1769 01:05:00,688 --> 01:05:02,690 and it didn't fly the way he imagined. 1770 01:05:02,690 --> 01:05:04,109 So I ended up doing the Poocano, 1771 01:05:04,109 --> 01:05:06,152 and I don't want to say I got credit for it, 1772 01:05:06,152 --> 01:05:09,030 but, like I never wanted this kind of credit. 1773 01:05:09,030 --> 01:05:14,160 He just had a better shit at the time. 1774 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,870 He also‐‐Chris has a bubblier butt, 1775 01:05:15,870 --> 01:05:18,915 so it looked better for the fake volcano, 1776 01:05:18,915 --> 01:05:23,294 that it was Chris's butt, you know? 1777 01:05:23,294 --> 01:05:25,922 I've made a career off of Chris's butt. 1778 01:05:25,922 --> 01:05:27,882 ♪ 1779 01:05:27,882 --> 01:05:30,051 In the second Big Brother video, 1780 01:05:30,051 --> 01:05:32,720 they filmed me rollerblading in, like, a jockstrap. 1781 01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,764 And people were yelling at me, like, "Put some pants on!" 1782 01:05:34,764 --> 01:05:38,434 and, like, these volleyball players threw a ball at me, 1783 01:05:38,434 --> 01:05:40,353 wanting to fight, you know. 1784 01:05:40,353 --> 01:05:42,355 It sounds ridiculous now too. 1785 01:05:42,355 --> 01:05:43,731 Because now, like, if I did the same thing, 1786 01:05:43,731 --> 01:05:46,776 people would just be cheering, you know? 1787 01:05:46,776 --> 01:05:49,612 The world was not as good of a place then. 1788 01:05:49,612 --> 01:05:51,072 Holy... 1789 01:05:51,072 --> 01:05:53,575 There was nothing like Big Brother videos out there. 1790 01:05:53,575 --> 01:05:54,617 As simple as it seems now 1791 01:05:54,617 --> 01:05:55,785 looking back on this stuff... 1792 01:05:55,785 --> 01:05:57,453 Hi, Mom! 1793 01:05:57,453 --> 01:05:58,454 ...I think it was definitely, like, 1794 01:05:58,454 --> 01:06:00,039 very pioneering for its time. 1795 01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:02,333 (flare whistles) 1796 01:06:02,333 --> 01:06:05,044 Nowadays, you could search on YouTube 1797 01:06:05,044 --> 01:06:06,504 and find crazy stuff, 1798 01:06:06,504 --> 01:06:08,590 but Big Brother had that all in their videos, 1799 01:06:08,590 --> 01:06:09,799 you know what I mean? 1800 01:06:09,799 --> 01:06:11,593 So it was like‐‐ it was just crazy, 1801 01:06:11,593 --> 01:06:12,886 I mean, it was just good times. 1802 01:06:12,886 --> 01:06:14,304 I mean, you always looked forward 1803 01:06:14,304 --> 01:06:15,680 to a Big Brother video because you never knew 1804 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,557 what the hell was going to be in it. 1805 01:06:17,557 --> 01:06:20,977 The next video was Boob? 1806 01:06:20,977 --> 01:06:22,729 Boob. 1807 01:06:22,729 --> 01:06:24,856 I was like, okay, I got another video, 1808 01:06:24,856 --> 01:06:26,316 I have to think of some things to do. 1809 01:06:26,316 --> 01:06:27,692 Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville, 1810 01:06:27,692 --> 01:06:29,903 and I'm going to get hit by a car real soon. 1811 01:06:29,903 --> 01:06:32,655 (engine revs) 1812 01:06:32,655 --> 01:06:33,907 (sharp thud) 1813 01:06:33,907 --> 01:06:36,284 I was like just such a fan right away, 1814 01:06:36,284 --> 01:06:37,785 and also, of course, threatened, 1815 01:06:37,785 --> 01:06:39,245 because I'm like, "Fuck, this guy might 1816 01:06:39,245 --> 01:06:41,623 be gnarlier than me," you know, like... oh! 1817 01:06:41,623 --> 01:06:44,209 ♪ 1818 01:06:44,209 --> 01:06:48,379 Well, Steve‐O, he actually got me into... 1819 01:06:48,379 --> 01:06:52,759 jumping off random bridges into water, you know. 1820 01:06:52,759 --> 01:06:54,928 When I saw him do a front flip 1821 01:06:54,928 --> 01:06:57,138 blowing a fireball out, you know, like, 1822 01:06:57,138 --> 01:06:59,140 I'm like, "Shit!" 1823 01:06:59,140 --> 01:07:02,810 So, yeah, I started getting into that too. 1824 01:07:02,810 --> 01:07:05,772 So Bam came out with a video called CKY, 1825 01:07:05,772 --> 01:07:07,357 which was really similar in spirit 1826 01:07:07,357 --> 01:07:09,442 to what we were doing. 1827 01:07:09,442 --> 01:07:10,860 It was just him and his friends 1828 01:07:10,860 --> 01:07:12,654 fucking around in Pennsylvania. 1829 01:07:12,654 --> 01:07:14,072 ♪ 1830 01:07:14,072 --> 01:07:15,949 To Bam's credit, like, when I started, 1831 01:07:15,949 --> 01:07:18,409 it was all, like, stunts. 1832 01:07:19,327 --> 01:07:21,996 (thud) 1833 01:07:21,996 --> 01:07:24,332 And then, I saw a CKY video, 1834 01:07:24,332 --> 01:07:27,669 and they were doing pranks. 1835 01:07:29,295 --> 01:07:32,090 I'm like, "Oh, I should start doing pranks." 1836 01:07:32,090 --> 01:07:34,509 Excuse me, ma'am? 1837 01:07:34,509 --> 01:07:36,177 Ma'am...I'm sorry. 1838 01:07:36,177 --> 01:07:37,762 This sausage doesn't look right. 1839 01:07:37,762 --> 01:07:40,390 It looks a little like poo. 1840 01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:42,475 This sausage looks like poo. 1841 01:07:42,475 --> 01:07:44,310 It smells. 1842 01:07:44,310 --> 01:07:46,562 This is not a sausage. 1843 01:07:46,562 --> 01:07:48,940 That opened up a whole new thing for me. 1844 01:07:48,940 --> 01:07:51,484 I can't eat it, I can't eat it! 1845 01:07:51,484 --> 01:07:53,361 I thought I could make a TV show out of it. 1846 01:07:53,361 --> 01:07:56,531 I don't even know what the TV show would be. 1847 01:07:56,531 --> 01:08:02,036 But we had an exceptional arsenal of shitbags, 1848 01:08:02,036 --> 01:08:03,413 so I called Knoxville. 1849 01:08:03,413 --> 01:08:04,831 "Hey, let's partner up 1850 01:08:04,831 --> 01:08:07,208 and try to make a TV show out of this." 1851 01:08:07,208 --> 01:08:09,669 I said, "Okay." 1852 01:08:09,669 --> 01:08:15,216 And Spike got us his agent, his attorney, 1853 01:08:15,216 --> 01:08:17,468 and credibility... 1854 01:08:17,468 --> 01:08:20,513 And after that, I just cut together 1855 01:08:20,513 --> 01:08:22,473 basically the best of our videos 1856 01:08:22,473 --> 01:08:26,311 mixed with Bam's stuff for CKY. 1857 01:08:26,311 --> 01:08:27,562 And MTV just loved it. 1858 01:08:27,562 --> 01:08:30,815 They ordered a series. 1859 01:08:30,815 --> 01:08:33,234 You know, MTV had been into scripted shows 1860 01:08:33,234 --> 01:08:36,070 for quite some time at that point, 1861 01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:39,866 and Jackass sort of felt like a polar opposite. 1862 01:08:39,866 --> 01:08:41,868 The feeling was this spoke 1863 01:08:41,868 --> 01:08:44,579 so authentically to the audience 1864 01:08:44,579 --> 01:08:46,247 that we had to let it go. 1865 01:08:46,247 --> 01:08:48,916 No intelligent, thoughtful adult 1866 01:08:48,916 --> 01:08:50,960 would make a show like this. 1867 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,338 And‐‐and so, it's perfect. 1868 01:08:53,338 --> 01:08:57,508 It's perfect for the teenagers who watch MTV. 1869 01:08:57,508 --> 01:08:59,135 ♪ 1870 01:08:59,135 --> 01:09:00,970 You know, I remember the day that Jeff told me at lunch 1871 01:09:00,970 --> 01:09:02,764 that he was leaving the magazine. 1872 01:09:02,764 --> 01:09:04,599 And I just remember being devastated, 1873 01:09:04,599 --> 01:09:07,643 I was like, "Oh my God, you're leaving the magazine?" 1874 01:09:07,643 --> 01:09:09,228 And he was like, "Yeah, I'm going to go on 1875 01:09:09,228 --> 01:09:11,147 to make Jackass, you know? 1876 01:09:11,147 --> 01:09:13,107 MTV picked it up, 1877 01:09:13,107 --> 01:09:15,651 and I'm going to go do this full time." 1878 01:09:15,651 --> 01:09:16,861 ♪ 1879 01:09:16,861 --> 01:09:19,614 So I kind of felt like 1880 01:09:19,614 --> 01:09:21,157 it was the end of an era 1881 01:09:21,157 --> 01:09:23,159 and the beginning of a new one. 1882 01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:25,703 It was‐‐it was a scary decision. 1883 01:09:25,703 --> 01:09:27,121 Jackass was not the sure thing 1884 01:09:27,121 --> 01:09:29,123 that it seems like it would be, you know? 1885 01:09:29,123 --> 01:09:31,250 It was going into the unknown. 1886 01:09:31,250 --> 01:09:33,086 But it really was‐‐ 1887 01:09:33,086 --> 01:09:34,629 you know, leaving Big Brother was‐‐ 1888 01:09:34,629 --> 01:09:39,300 you know, it was leaving a family behind, you know? 1889 01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:41,803 ♪ 1890 01:09:41,803 --> 01:09:43,971 Once Jackass happened 1891 01:09:43,971 --> 01:09:45,681 and part of the staff left, 1892 01:09:45,681 --> 01:09:48,017 Dave Carnie became editor of the magazine, 1893 01:09:48,017 --> 01:09:50,436 and that's when we brought on Chris Nieratko 1894 01:09:50,436 --> 01:09:52,271 as managing editor. 1895 01:09:52,271 --> 01:09:56,818 To me, Jackass was great, cool. 1896 01:09:56,818 --> 01:10:00,822 But I get to have a skateboard magazine? 1897 01:10:00,822 --> 01:10:02,115 This is actually mine now, 1898 01:10:02,115 --> 01:10:04,701 I can do whatever the fuck I want in this? 1899 01:10:04,701 --> 01:10:05,910 Way cooler. 1900 01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:09,497 ♪ 1901 01:10:09,497 --> 01:10:12,834 When they all left, it was like... 1902 01:10:12,834 --> 01:10:16,045 someone had come in and sterilized the office 1903 01:10:16,045 --> 01:10:18,840 with a hose 1904 01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,175 connected to the Fountain of Youth. 1905 01:10:21,175 --> 01:10:24,512 ♪ 1906 01:10:24,512 --> 01:10:28,641 And so, it was me, 1907 01:10:28,641 --> 01:10:32,186 Dimitry, who was maybe 21. 1908 01:10:32,186 --> 01:10:34,522 Big Brother let me do what I love, 1909 01:10:34,522 --> 01:10:39,610 which is shoot skating and travel the world and... 1910 01:10:39,610 --> 01:10:41,237 write about it. 1911 01:10:41,237 --> 01:10:42,697 I was going to all these places 1912 01:10:42,697 --> 01:10:45,199 I'd never dreamt I'd go to, you know? 1913 01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:46,409 All for skateboarding. 1914 01:10:46,409 --> 01:10:48,453 ♪ 1915 01:10:48,453 --> 01:10:52,081 And then, we had a bunch of young interns. 1916 01:10:52,081 --> 01:10:53,916 ♪ 1917 01:10:53,916 --> 01:10:57,920 And Carnie was, like, the leftover old guy, 1918 01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,505 and Kosick, who was like‐‐ 1919 01:10:59,505 --> 01:11:03,926 I think he was the oldest of anyone ever. 1920 01:11:03,926 --> 01:11:05,553 It was going good. 1921 01:11:05,553 --> 01:11:08,264 You know, the magazine was the biggest it's ever been. 1922 01:11:08,264 --> 01:11:09,724 We had some great moments, 1923 01:11:09,724 --> 01:11:12,310 we've put out another really good video... 1924 01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:14,187 ‐Get 'em, Caddy! ‐(exclaims) 1925 01:11:14,187 --> 01:11:16,189 Which was Crap. 1926 01:11:16,189 --> 01:11:18,775 Crap, Crap, Crap, Crap. 1927 01:11:18,775 --> 01:11:23,988 ♪ 1928 01:11:23,988 --> 01:11:25,948 I think that's the main thing that I got out of working there 1929 01:11:25,948 --> 01:11:28,493 is it was like a big family, 1930 01:11:28,493 --> 01:11:30,787 a big, dysfunctional family that was fun, 1931 01:11:30,787 --> 01:11:32,288 and everybody would hang out together 1932 01:11:32,288 --> 01:11:34,582 and drink together and do stupid stuff, 1933 01:11:34,582 --> 01:11:35,917 and even when you were working in the office, 1934 01:11:35,917 --> 01:11:37,794 it never really felt like work. 1935 01:11:37,794 --> 01:11:40,505 (shouting) 1936 01:11:40,505 --> 01:11:42,256 The skateboarding industry, 1937 01:11:42,256 --> 01:11:44,634 it's notoriously up‐and‐down. 1938 01:11:44,634 --> 01:11:46,928 I think right when Jackass was starting too, 1939 01:11:46,928 --> 01:11:49,764 the skateboarding industry was up. 1940 01:11:49,764 --> 01:11:51,307 Skateboarding's getting bigger, 1941 01:11:51,307 --> 01:11:54,602 it's on national television. 1942 01:11:54,602 --> 01:11:56,646 But those are the big‐money guys, 1943 01:11:56,646 --> 01:11:57,772 and they don't like Big Brother. 1944 01:11:57,772 --> 01:11:59,065 Watch out! 1945 01:11:59,065 --> 01:12:00,441 (exclaiming) 1946 01:12:00,441 --> 01:12:01,901 And Flynt's like, "Where's all the money?" 1947 01:12:01,901 --> 01:12:03,402 And it wasn't coming to us. 1948 01:12:03,402 --> 01:12:04,529 (beeps) 1949 01:12:04,529 --> 01:12:06,030 ♪ 1950 01:12:06,030 --> 01:12:07,865 Right around 2004, 1951 01:12:07,865 --> 01:12:12,078 skateboarding was seeing this influx of money 1952 01:12:12,078 --> 01:12:15,957 from outside corporations. 1953 01:12:15,957 --> 01:12:18,209 The "core brands" 1954 01:12:18,209 --> 01:12:20,628 started taking themselves too serious, 1955 01:12:20,628 --> 01:12:26,467 and they just didn't want their "athletes" 1956 01:12:26,467 --> 01:12:29,804 portrayed in a negative light. 1957 01:12:29,804 --> 01:12:31,639 The risks never stopped. 1958 01:12:31,639 --> 01:12:34,642 The magazine seemed like it took risks 1959 01:12:34,642 --> 01:12:38,604 up until there wasn't enough interaction or advertisers 1960 01:12:38,604 --> 01:12:41,023 that wanted to participate in the risk. 1961 01:12:41,023 --> 01:12:42,233 The editorial staff, 1962 01:12:42,233 --> 01:12:43,985 maybe they'd change what they're writing 1963 01:12:43,985 --> 01:12:46,279 in order to please an advertiser, 1964 01:12:46,279 --> 01:12:47,530 and I think that was one of the things 1965 01:12:47,530 --> 01:12:48,990 that was different about us. 1966 01:12:48,990 --> 01:12:51,075 You know, there was sort of a punk rock ethos 1967 01:12:51,075 --> 01:12:53,119 in the magazine, where, like, 1968 01:12:53,119 --> 01:12:56,163 "We're not changing; we do what we want." 1969 01:12:56,163 --> 01:12:59,292 And in the end, it hurt the magazine. 1970 01:12:59,292 --> 01:13:00,835 Because you'd piss off a lot of people 1971 01:13:00,835 --> 01:13:02,670 and they just wouldn't advertise. 1972 01:13:02,670 --> 01:13:05,172 But you gain all this notoriety with your readership, 1973 01:13:05,172 --> 01:13:06,465 because you go, "Holy shit, 1974 01:13:06,465 --> 01:13:07,925 no one else has the balls to do that. 1975 01:13:07,925 --> 01:13:10,678 Thank you for losing a major advertiser 1976 01:13:10,678 --> 01:13:11,846 to amuse me." 1977 01:13:11,846 --> 01:13:14,932 It sucks; it sucks because... 1978 01:13:14,932 --> 01:13:17,977 at the end of the day, Larry Flynt is a publisher, 1979 01:13:17,977 --> 01:13:19,854 and if we're not making money, 1980 01:13:19,854 --> 01:13:22,690 there's no reason to keep us around. 1981 01:13:22,690 --> 01:13:26,027 And it was just this fucking sinking ship, 1982 01:13:26,027 --> 01:13:28,070 which it didn't feel like a sinking ship. 1983 01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:30,031 I was completely shocked and surprised 1984 01:13:30,031 --> 01:13:33,492 when I got called up and fired. 1985 01:13:33,492 --> 01:13:35,453 This one day, the VP of Flynt 1986 01:13:35,453 --> 01:13:37,371 called Dave and I up to her offices 1987 01:13:37,371 --> 01:13:38,789 and said they were pulling the plug, 1988 01:13:38,789 --> 01:13:40,458 that it wasn't making enough money. 1989 01:13:40,458 --> 01:13:42,251 ♪ 1990 01:13:42,251 --> 01:13:45,087 And that was really what it was all about. 1991 01:13:45,087 --> 01:13:48,341 So when all these motherfuckers in the industry 1992 01:13:48,341 --> 01:13:49,884 come up to me and they're like, 1993 01:13:49,884 --> 01:13:51,552 "Hey, you guys should bring Big Brother back," 1994 01:13:51,552 --> 01:13:53,596 I'm like, "Fuck you. 1995 01:13:53,596 --> 01:13:55,139 Shouldn't have pulled your advertising. 1996 01:13:55,139 --> 01:13:57,099 I didn't kill it, you killed it." 1997 01:13:58,392 --> 01:14:00,311 Maybe it was the change of an era, 1998 01:14:00,311 --> 01:14:01,896 you know what I mean? 1999 01:14:01,896 --> 01:14:03,731 I think that was a transition stage 2000 01:14:03,731 --> 01:14:06,317 of skateboarding in general, 2001 01:14:06,317 --> 01:14:10,571 and with that transformation into the mainstream, 2002 01:14:10,571 --> 01:14:12,740 I think people were a little bit more scared 2003 01:14:12,740 --> 01:14:15,159 to associate themselves with things that were 2004 01:14:15,159 --> 01:14:17,370 a little bit, uh, riskier. 2005 01:14:18,913 --> 01:14:21,123 I think there were points skaters who were like, 2006 01:14:21,123 --> 01:14:23,793 "Dude, I don't want to hear you ask questions about my dick, 2007 01:14:23,793 --> 01:14:27,338 I don't want to hear you ask questions about my mom," 2008 01:14:27,338 --> 01:14:29,924 you know, and turds, you know? 2009 01:14:29,924 --> 01:14:32,385 They didn't want to hear that. 2010 01:14:32,385 --> 01:14:33,678 Dicks and shit, 2011 01:14:33,678 --> 01:14:37,390 definitely probably, you know, hung them. 2012 01:14:37,390 --> 01:14:40,434 ♪ 2013 01:14:40,434 --> 01:14:45,147 I personally mourned the loss of Big Brother 2014 01:14:45,147 --> 01:14:47,441 maybe more than anybody. 2015 01:14:47,441 --> 01:14:49,777 I love that shit. 2016 01:14:49,777 --> 01:14:52,363 You know, I always loved that shit. 2017 01:14:52,363 --> 01:14:53,948 It's one of those things I get nostalgic for, 2018 01:14:53,948 --> 01:14:56,617 because it was one of the funnest times in my life 2019 01:14:56,617 --> 01:15:00,329 in that it was all I lived for. 2020 01:15:00,329 --> 01:15:02,123 It was all any of us lived for, I think. 2021 01:15:02,123 --> 01:15:04,917 We had nothing else in our lives. 2022 01:15:04,917 --> 01:15:06,335 It was just Big Brother. 2023 01:15:06,335 --> 01:15:08,337 And everything that happened in our lives 2024 01:15:08,337 --> 01:15:09,422 happened in Big Brother. 2025 01:15:09,422 --> 01:15:10,339 ♪ 2026 01:15:10,339 --> 01:15:12,883 We were these characters. 2027 01:15:12,883 --> 01:15:15,094 And in a real office setting, 2028 01:15:15,094 --> 01:15:16,303 you're just an employee. 2029 01:15:16,303 --> 01:15:18,764 You go to work, you do your job, 2030 01:15:18,764 --> 01:15:20,683 and then you punch out. 2031 01:15:20,683 --> 01:15:22,935 But for us, 2032 01:15:22,935 --> 01:15:25,604 work was an adventure. 2033 01:15:25,604 --> 01:15:27,940 When I get recognized for Jackass, 2034 01:15:27,940 --> 01:15:29,650 I don't care. 2035 01:15:29,650 --> 01:15:31,402 It really matters most when people go, 2036 01:15:31,402 --> 01:15:34,071 "Man, I loved Big Brother magazine." 2037 01:15:34,071 --> 01:15:37,908 That's when I'm feeling, like, yeah, that's cool, you know? 2038 01:15:37,908 --> 01:15:40,578 Those are the real fans. 2039 01:15:40,578 --> 01:15:42,038 I know for myself, 2040 01:15:42,038 --> 01:15:45,166 like, that was my biggest influence, 2041 01:15:45,166 --> 01:15:47,168 at least comedically. 2042 01:15:47,168 --> 01:15:48,711 Humor didn't feel dangerous 2043 01:15:48,711 --> 01:15:51,672 until I picked up a Big Brother, 2044 01:15:51,672 --> 01:15:54,842 and then, I felt that humor could be cool 2045 01:15:54,842 --> 01:15:57,053 because it could be dangerous 2046 01:15:57,053 --> 01:15:59,513 and make people uncomfortable. 2047 01:15:59,513 --> 01:16:02,558 Clearly, commercials and TV shows, 2048 01:16:02,558 --> 01:16:03,768 they all sort of went 2049 01:16:03,768 --> 01:16:07,271 for that low‐tech, low‐vibe‐y look 2050 01:16:07,271 --> 01:16:09,190 right after Jackass came out, 2051 01:16:09,190 --> 01:16:11,233 because it sort of swept up culture. 2052 01:16:11,233 --> 01:16:13,027 Everyone talked about it, 2053 01:16:13,027 --> 01:16:14,528 it was on the news shows, 2054 01:16:14,528 --> 01:16:17,031 they were guests on the nightly shows. 2055 01:16:17,031 --> 01:16:18,949 Yeah, I remember when the first Jackass came out, 2056 01:16:18,949 --> 01:16:20,868 everybody's going, "Did you see that? 2057 01:16:20,868 --> 01:16:22,244 Did you see this?" 2058 01:16:22,244 --> 01:16:23,746 Like they're all blown away by it, 2059 01:16:23,746 --> 01:16:26,082 I'm going, "It's just the magazine. 2060 01:16:26,082 --> 01:16:28,375 It's just the fucking magazine on video." 2061 01:16:29,585 --> 01:16:31,837 Big Brother's influence 2062 01:16:31,837 --> 01:16:34,924 told everyone else that 2063 01:16:34,924 --> 01:16:37,384 you should get fired, you should make mistakes, 2064 01:16:37,384 --> 01:16:38,511 you should get in trouble, 2065 01:16:38,511 --> 01:16:39,887 you should lose advertisers, 2066 01:16:39,887 --> 01:16:42,139 you shouldn't play the game. 2067 01:16:42,139 --> 01:16:44,809 And that is a more important lesson 2068 01:16:44,809 --> 01:16:46,352 than it's ever been. 2069 01:16:46,352 --> 01:16:48,771 ♪ 2070 01:16:48,771 --> 01:16:50,064 To this day, 2071 01:16:50,064 --> 01:16:52,817 I still work with Cliver every day. 2072 01:16:52,817 --> 01:16:55,152 Rick Kosick every day. 2073 01:16:55,152 --> 01:16:57,321 Rob Dyrdek. 2074 01:16:57,321 --> 01:16:59,740 Johnny Knoxville. 2075 01:16:59,740 --> 01:17:03,410 I mean, we're all still together 2076 01:17:03,410 --> 01:17:04,787 in many ways. 2077 01:17:04,787 --> 01:17:09,250 ♪ 2078 01:17:09,250 --> 01:17:12,545 Big Brother was like 2079 01:17:12,545 --> 01:17:16,090 a really important thing in my life. 2080 01:17:16,090 --> 01:17:19,593 I felt that it was important at the time, 2081 01:17:19,593 --> 01:17:23,722 I just didn't know how important it was 2082 01:17:23,722 --> 01:17:27,768 or it was going to be to me. 2083 01:17:27,768 --> 01:17:29,186 I mean... 2084 01:17:29,186 --> 01:17:30,604 those guys are all, 2085 01:17:30,604 --> 01:17:32,523 they're all my fucking friends, you know? 2086 01:17:32,523 --> 01:17:37,069 They've seen me, like‐‐ fucking shit my pants, and... 2087 01:17:40,447 --> 01:17:42,741 Hold on, hold on a second. 2088 01:17:44,493 --> 01:17:47,496 (laughter) 2089 01:17:47,496 --> 01:17:49,206 Now go fuck yourself. 2090 01:17:49,206 --> 01:17:54,211 ♪ 2091 01:17:54,211 --> 01:17:55,963 ♪ Let's get fucked up ♪ 2092 01:17:55,963 --> 01:17:59,091 ♪ 2093 01:17:59,091 --> 01:18:00,801 ♪ Let's get fucked up ♪ 2094 01:18:00,801 --> 01:18:04,013 ♪ 2095 01:18:04,013 --> 01:18:05,806 ♪ Let's get fucked up ♪ 2096 01:18:05,806 --> 01:18:09,435 ♪ 2097 01:18:09,435 --> 01:18:10,561 Jesus! 2098 01:18:10,561 --> 01:18:29,246 ♪ 2099 01:18:29,246 --> 01:18:30,998 ♪ Let's get fucked up ♪ 2100 01:18:30,998 --> 01:18:34,251 ♪ 2101 01:18:34,251 --> 01:18:35,628 ♪ Let's get fucked up ♪ 2102 01:18:35,628 --> 01:18:38,964 ♪ 2103 01:18:38,964 --> 01:18:41,550 ♪ Let's get fucked up ♪ 2104 01:18:41,550 --> 01:18:42,843 Like, these are hard questions, 2105 01:18:42,843 --> 01:18:44,637 and they're, like, boring. 2106 01:18:44,637 --> 01:18:46,138 ♪ 2107 01:18:46,138 --> 01:18:48,349 ‐There it is. ‐♪ Let's get fucked up ♪♪ 2108 01:18:48,349 --> 01:18:50,100 (laughing) 2109 01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:51,227 Formed up. 2110 01:18:59,902 --> 01:19:02,029 I think Big Brother sucks! 2111 01:19:03,364 --> 01:19:05,407 (cackling) 2112 01:19:07,076 --> 01:19:08,953 (simian‐like screech) 2113 01:19:08,953 --> 01:19:11,747 ♪ 141730

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