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we are recording

we are recording yes here

yes here

yes here frank sergeant what time is it 850 in

frank sergeant what time is it 850 in

frank sergeant what time is it 850 in the morning we are in the conference

the morning we are in the conference

the morning we are in the conference room of the district attorney

room of the district attorney

room of the district attorney together with Mr. Robert hem and his

together with Mr. Robert hem and his

together with Mr. Robert hem and his defense attorney the tape recorder is on sir when

defense attorney the tape recorder is on sir when

defense attorney the tape recorder is on sir when you told me that you have these recordings I was

you told me that you have these recordings I was

you told me that you have these recordings I was in shock because the representatives of the state of Alaska

in shock because the representatives of the state of Alaska

in shock because the representatives of the state of Alaska

classified my Main goal is to

classified my Main goal is to minimize any

minimize any

minimize any harm and impact this could have on

harm and impact this could have on

harm and impact this could have on my

my

my family in any way possible led by roberton

family in any way possible led by roberton

family in any way possible led by roberton absolutely Ordinary life We spent

absolutely Ordinary life We spent

absolutely Ordinary life We spent two days with him I sat at the table with him

two days with him I sat at the table with him

two days with him I sat at the table with him exactly as I am sitting with you now he owned a

exactly as I am sitting with you now he owned a

exactly as I am sitting with you now he owned a bakery near the center He was a

bakery near the center He was a

bakery near the center He was a family man who liked to hunt and fly

family man who liked to hunt and fly

family man who liked to hunt and fly We wanted him to talk about what

We wanted him to talk about what

We wanted him to talk about what Robert Hanson did but he led a double

Robert Hanson did but he led a double

Robert Hanson did but he led a double life I turned for God's sake, he kidnapped a

life I turned for God's sake, he kidnapped a

life I turned for God's sake, he kidnapped a young prostitute, it

young prostitute, it

young prostitute, it can't go on like this, he tried to kidnap J with his plane in

can't go on like this, he tried to kidnap J with his plane in

can't go on like this, he tried to kidnap J with his plane in a cabin in the woods, what if things go wrong again,

a cabin in the woods, what if things go wrong again,

a cabin in the woods, what if things go wrong again, the police claim that he could be responsible for

the police claim that he could be responsible for

the police claim that he could be responsible for 12 I need help the body was buried

12 I need help the body was buried

12 I need help the body was buried In shallow graves I really need

In shallow graves I really need

In shallow graves I really need your help it was reminiscent of a

your help it was reminiscent of a

your help it was reminiscent of a verbal he wanted to confess to nothing I'm telling

verbal he wanted to confess to nothing I'm telling

verbal he wanted to confess to nothing I'm telling you the truth you're not telling me the truth Bob I

you the truth you're not telling me the truth Bob I

you the truth you're not telling me the truth Bob I 'm saying If we gave up he would have continued

'm saying If we gave up he would have continued

'm saying If we gave up he would have continued with his life knowing that he had won that he had

defeated us in the end I set out again to

defeated us in the end I set out again to town looking for

town looking for

town looking for more I was like a moth

[Music] it

[Music] it beckoned me

beckoned me

beckoned me baker or murderer in the mind of

monsters

monsters nick river 60 km north of anor in

alaska oh my god by the river nick i

alaska oh my god by the river nick i spent

years i went there to hunt rabbits and

years i went there to hunt rabbits and many people i shot there with a bow

many people i shot there with a bow

many people i shot there with a bow set up bear stands and practiced

set up bear stands and practiced

set up bear stands and practiced target shooting on the upper and lower reaches of

target shooting on the upper and lower reaches of

target shooting on the upper and lower reaches of the river it is the most beautiful place in the

world i met bob in

world i met bob in 1978 in the

Hens invited us to dinner and

Hens invited us to dinner and introduced me to

Bob, she indicated to me that she had no friends

Bob, she indicated to me that she had no friends and wanted to would I consider a friendship with him

I thought we could have

I thought we could have a lot in common Since he was a

a lot in common Since he was a

a lot in common Since he was a passionate hunter just like

me

me Bob invited me on a flight in his Piper

Cup plane in Alaska it was quite common to

Cup plane in Alaska it was quite common to own a

plane you can also go hunting by car

plane you can also go hunting by car but everyone does that so if

but everyone does that so if

but everyone does that so if you want to get to where the bigger

you want to get to where the bigger

you want to get to where the bigger animals are you have to

fly in the south of the state i have flown a

fly in the south of the state i have flown a huge number of

huge number of

huge number of hours i loved

hours i loved

hours i loved it all day you didn't come across a

live one one of the hunters i was with he was

live one one of the hunters i was with he was friends once he went hunting with Bob and

friends once he went hunting with Bob and

friends once he went hunting with Bob and spent the whole day with him

when he came back He told me that he

when he came back He told me that he didn't feel

good in his company he talks marshal you and I We hunt

good in his company he talks marshal you and I We hunt because we love nature we enjoy being

because we love nature we enjoy being

because we love nature we enjoy being waited on We admire animals even when

waited on We admire animals even when

we are not hunting them Bob says he's not like that and he

we are not hunting them Bob says he's not like that and he just enjoys

killing Alaska is a huge country

killing Alaska is a huge country you can get lost in an instant

John daley police department

John daley police department encore I'm John dy and

encore I'm John dy and

encore I'm John dy and I've been with the police department since 1980

I've been with the police department since 1980

I've been with the police department since 1980

September 12th a friend and I decided to

September 12th a friend and I decided to go moose hunting by the

Nick River as we were walking along the river

Nick River as we were walking along the river we noticed a depression that

we noticed a depression that

we noticed a depression that didn't look

didn't look

didn't look natural at all we looked closer and found

natural at all we looked closer and found

natural at all we looked closer and found something that resembled pieces of

clothing we noticed a piece of denim

clothing we noticed a piece of denim it looked like flap and when we

it looked like flap and when we

it looked like flap and when we lifted it we saw something like skin under it

we called the State

we called the State Police when they started to uncover the body the smell of

Police when they started to uncover the body the smell of

Police when they started to uncover the body the smell of decomposition got stronger and

a white woman around her head she had something that

a white woman around her head she had something that looked like a bandage, the kind of bandage she uses to

looked like a bandage, the kind of bandage she uses to

looked like a bandage, the kind of bandage she uses to tighten her ankle, her

tighten her ankle, her

tighten her ankle, her head and

eyes were bandaged with that, do you remember what she looked like, how tall she was,

eyes were bandaged with that, do you remember what she looked like, how tall she was, what kind of hair she had,

[Music]

[Music] I didn't want her to know where

I didn't want her to know where

I didn't want her to know where we're going

it gave me a sense of

it gave me a sense of possibility and

possibility and

possibility and power and seeming control over my

life If everything was going

life If everything was going well it

well it

well it didn't go well but this time it got out of

didn't go well but this time it got out of

didn't go well but this time it got out of control

at the scene of the crime they started spilling

at the scene of the crime they started spilling clay one of the things they found was

clay one of the things they found was

clay one of the things they found was a shell casing it was a .223 caliber shell

the chest it went right through her

the chest it went right through her heart She was trying to run away or J did it

heart She was trying to run away or J did it

heart She was trying to run away or J did it because she was

because she was

because she was fighting back she was fighting back and started

fighting back she was fighting back and started

fighting back she was fighting back and started running so I caught her again She was just

running so I caught her again She was just

running so I caught her again She was just standing there screaming at me and so I

standing there screaming at me and so I

standing there screaming at me and so I pointed the gun at N and Pressed

[Music]

[Music] the trigger when I came to the encore

the trigger when I came to the encore

the trigger when I came to the encore I wasn't even 18 yet I'm very young and

I wasn't even 18 yet I'm very young and

I wasn't even 18 yet I'm very young and inexperienced, I tend to

inexperienced, I tend to

inexperienced, I tend to [Music]

[Music]

[Music] dance, I danced for the Good

she had blonde hair, she was

she had blonde hair, she was nice and had very nice

nice and had very nice

nice and had very nice curves, in short, she was charming A girl with a hem

curves, in short, she was charming A girl with a hem

curves, in short, she was charming A girl with a hem We even borrowed costumes We were

We even borrowed costumes We were

We even borrowed costumes We were very

similar what we could to

similar what we could to overcome each

overcome each

overcome each denor together was a

denor together was a

denor together was a very scary place for a single girl it was a lonely big

very scary place for a single girl it was a lonely big

very scary place for a single girl it was a lonely big wild city full of wild

in anor it was crazy during the boom of oil production

in anor it was crazy during the boom of oil production a lot of people came to Alaska

a lot of people came to Alaska

a lot of people came to Alaska just to get fast

just to get fast

just to get fast money

and like in any prosperous city where there

and like in any prosperous city where there is money and men there are no shortage of women

is money and men there are no shortage of women

is money and men there are no shortage of women who are attracted by this combination

l hal co-author of Butcher baker

l hal co-author of Butcher baker My name is l ha and I'm co-author of

My name is l ha and I'm co-author of

My name is l ha and I'm co-author of B Baker's book about the

B Baker's book about the

B Baker's book about the Ford Avenue case in the center was the main

Ford Avenue case in the center was the main

Ford Avenue case in the center was the main part of the loud

part of the loud

part of the loud neighborhood there were a lot of businesses

neighborhood there were a lot of businesses

neighborhood there were a lot of businesses where you danced on the mountain without and also

where you danced on the mountain without and also

where you danced on the mountain without and also a lot of massage parlors there was the

a lot of massage parlors there was the

a lot of massage parlors there was the Cherry club or

Cherry club or

Cherry club or goodtimes also the Kit

Alaska club there so much money and so much

Alaska club there so much money and so much cocaine that it was

cocaine that it was

cocaine that it was absurd I remember piles of cocaine

absurd I remember piles of cocaine

absurd I remember piles of cocaine that would cover the whole

that would cover the whole

that would cover the whole table it was a place where there were no

table it was a place where there were no

table it was a place where there were no rules a place reminiscent of an even

rules a place reminiscent of an even

rules a place reminiscent of an even wilder Wild West in Alaska

wilder Wild West in Alaska

wilder Wild West in Alaska they tolerated prostitution like nowhere

they tolerated prostitution like nowhere

they tolerated prostitution like nowhere else in the

states

states on the way from work I rushed to the city

on the way from work I rushed to the city

on the way from work I rushed to the city where I sat down and watched the prostitutes

where I sat down and watched the prostitutes

where I sat down and watched the prostitutes make their way down the

street it was exciting I had it like

street it was exciting I had it like nothing else in my life, it filled me with sexual

energy. It was Ul, where they were

looking for dancers for a dance club and Honolulu, Hawaii. we

have to live in their hostel and

have to live in their hostel and every day

every day

every day in the club our debt

gets worse they brought us to this building

gets worse they brought us to this building and said we will

and said we will

and said we will live here we went inside and saw

live here we went inside and saw

live here we went inside and saw literally only two bare

literally only two bare

literally only two bare mattresses It was a cold empty room with no

mattresses It was a cold empty room with no

mattresses It was a cold empty room with no

life in it there wasn't even a pillow to lie on

[Music]

[Music] All I could think about was how to

All I could think about was how to

All I could think about was how to get out of there how to escape and how long

get out of there how to escape and how long

get out of there how to escape and how long I might have to do this before they

let me go serial killers choose

let me go serial killers choose vulnerable

vulnerable

vulnerable people and that These women definitely

were I don't even remember where I

were I don't even remember where I came across them But mostly they were dancers

came across them But mostly they were dancers

came across them But mostly they were dancers on the streets or in clubs

I always told them that

I always told them that I would only pay them for it it's going to be a little different and it's the

I would only pay them for it it's going to be a little different and it's the

I would only pay them for it it's going to be a little different and it's the way I tell myself not the way she wants I

remember the guy who bought me

remember the guy who bought me a bottle of champagne and invited me to

a bottle of champagne and invited me to

a bottle of champagne and invited me to sit with him I had a very

sit with him I had a very

sit with him I had a very very strange

feeling about him he kept repeating that he had a

feeling about him he kept repeating that he had a plane and I told him she just nodded.

plane and I told him she just nodded.

plane and I told him she just nodded. He asked me if I would go

He asked me if I would go

He asked me if I would go on a date with him and I said that I would rather

on a date with him and I said that I would rather

on a date with him and I said that I would rather not. Some of the girls often

not. Some of the girls often

not. Some of the girls often earned extra money in other ways, but

earned extra money in other ways, but

earned extra money in other ways, but not me.

by the fact

by the fact that she is on a date with a guy who has a

that she is on a date with a guy who has a

that she is on a date with a guy who has a plane I told her that I was alone with him I

plane I told her that I was alone with him I

plane I told her that I was alone with him I talked to him until I got goosebumps I ask

talked to him until I got goosebumps I ask

talked to him until I got goosebumps I ask her why you want to meet him and she

her why you want to meet him and she

her why you want to meet him and she is quite nice about it I think she

is quite nice about it I think she

is quite nice about it I think she will accompany me to

see him in that an opportunity to get

see him in that an opportunity to get out of there and maybe get a nice

out of there and maybe get a nice

out of there and maybe get a nice boyfriend to have something nice outside of that

horror We got up and had breakfast as always and

horror We got up and had breakfast as always and headed to the place about a block away where she

headed to the place about a block away where she

headed to the place about a block away where she was supposed to meet Robert Hansen

I told her to enjoy it And she said she

I told her to enjoy it And she said she would And that was all see you

would And that was all see you

would And that was all see you later but there was no then

October

October 1982 about a month later we found a

1982 about a month later we found a

1982 about a month later we found a dead woman by the Nick River who was

dead woman by the Nick River who was

dead woman by the Nick River who was identified as Sher

identified as Sher

identified as Sher Morova Sher Morová 24 years old I remember

Morova Sher Morová 24 years old I remember

Morova Sher Morová 24 years old I remember when I read about it in the newspaper

when I read about it in the newspaper

when I read about it in the newspaper when I saw Sher's photo It totally

when I saw Sher's photo It totally

when I saw Sher's photo It totally

shocked me I felt terrible because

shocked me I felt terrible because I accompanied her on her last

I accompanied her on her last

I accompanied her on her last date how would you they felt

you when I read about the body found by the

you when I read about the body found by the nck river I realized that it coincides with

nck river I realized that it coincides with

nck river I realized that it coincides with what is happening to the other

what is happening to the other

what is happening to the other girls I declared that this is a

girls I declared that this is a

girls I declared that this is a serial

serial

serial killer but they didn't listen to me Maxin

killer but they didn't listen to me Maxin

killer but they didn't listen to me Maxin Ferová the police department I am with Maxov and I

Ferová the police department I am with Maxov and I

Ferová the police department I am with Maxov and I worked on homicide division of the

worked on homicide division of the

worked on homicide division of the police department

in I was one of the first two women in the

in I was one of the first two women in the police department there We had

police department there We had

police department there We had no room of our own no

no room of our own no

no room of our own no changing rooms we had to change in the toilets

people came up to us and they asked us why we'd

people came up to us and they asked us why we'd rather not be at home with the

children on the hens case I started

children on the hens case I started working when I found

[Music]

[Music] ekou we received a report from the dispatching unit

ekou we received a report from the dispatching unit

ekou we received a report from the dispatching unit at the Česká unit we went to the lutna river the

at the Česká unit we went to the lutna river the

at the Česká unit we went to the lutna river the access point for the

access point for the

access point for the eklutna electricians 45 km north of Odor

eklutna electricians 45 km north of Odor

eklutna electricians 45 km north of Odor in

in

in Alaska when the electricians there

Alaska when the electricians there

Alaska when the electricians there were going down they found

were going down they found

were going down they found the body on the spot, I was sent

the body on the spot, I was sent

the body on the spot, I was sent and we started

digging, we immediately recognized that it was a

digging, we immediately recognized that it was a prostitute by the clothes and jewelry she was

prostitute by the clothes and jewelry she was

prostitute by the clothes and jewelry she was wearing to myself

I don't remember if she was a dancer

I don't remember if she was a dancer or a

or a

or a prostitute All I know is that I picked her up and

prostitute All I know is that I picked her up and

prostitute All I know is that I picked her up and told her I was going to take her

nar she had no ID with me We had no

nar she had no ID with me We had no record of her

record of her

record of her We thought she was in Anchorage

[Music]

[Music] new started running down the road and I

new started running down the road and I

new started running down the road and I

caught up with her I grabbed her

caught up with her I grabbed her hair in her purse she had a big knife a big

hair in her purse she had a big knife a big

hair in her purse she had a big knife a big pocket

pocket

pocket knife she pulled it out and started

knife she pulled it out and started

knife she pulled it out and started brandishing it and that's

[Music]

[Music] the injury according to the glue was not difficult to

the injury according to the glue was not difficult to

the injury according to the glue was not difficult to reconstruct the face and create a likeness of what

reconstruct the face and create a likeness of what

reconstruct the face and create a likeness of what this woman

looked like she sent j j everywhere

looked like she sent j j everywhere you can

you can

you can think of But I got no

think of But I got no

think of But I got no answer I never found out who The

answer I never found out who The

answer I never found out who The woman

was I was wondering who could have done it

was I was wondering who could have done it because this was not a typical

because this was not a typical

because this was not a typical [Music]

crime, but soon after that I received a

crime, but soon after that I received a message about another missing person, she was a female

Prosova, 24 years old, I thought this was

Prosova, 24 years old, I thought this was a prostitute, which coincides with

a prostitute, which coincides with

a prostitute, which coincides with UT and from that every month I

UT and from that every month I

UT and from that every month I received two to three reports about missing

received two to three reports about missing

received two to three reports about missing women and that's when I started

women and that's when I started

women and that's when I started asking myself

questions. I

again, some police officers thought that

again, some police officers thought that such women disappear all the time and that

such women disappear all the time and that

such women disappear all the time and that maybe they just packed up, went to another city

maybe they just packed up, went to another city

maybe they just packed up, went to another city and danced

there, she said I don't believe that this is the case,

there, she said I don't believe that this is the case, according to me, right behind our

backs, when they came to me these

backs, when they came to me these missing persons records got

missing persons records got

missing persons records got I immediately started collecting information from

I immediately started collecting information from

I immediately started collecting information from their relatives about the jewelry they

their relatives about the jewelry they

their relatives about the jewelry they wore I studied psychology

wore I studied psychology

wore I studied psychology so I knew that a lot of

so I knew that a lot of

so I knew that a lot of serial killers keep souvenirs

I made a table with information

I made a table with information about which girl it is what we know about her And what

about which girl it is what we know about her And what

about which girl it is what we know about her And what about her

about her

about her we don't know Before I finished it I had

we don't know Before I finished it I had

we don't know Before I finished it I had about 10

girls in it I went to my superiors and

girls in it I went to my superiors and informed them that it was of a

informed them that it was of a

informed them that it was of a serial killer because of the number of girls she

serial killer because of the number of girls she

picked up among the missing persons cases they laughed at me and said no

picked up among the missing persons cases they laughed at me and said no honey

honey

honey Maxin Fer Homicide Investigator

Maxin Fer Homicide Investigator

Maxin Fer Homicide Investigator Anchorage Police Department They thought

Anchorage Police Department They thought

Anchorage Police Department They thought I was just a stupid woman who thought there

I was just a stupid woman who thought there

I was just a stupid woman who thought there was a serial killer running around But I

was a serial killer running around But I

was a serial killer running around But I wasn't

stupid encore I came in

stupid encore I came in 1971 I remember driving

1971 I remember driving

1971 I remember driving past a shopping center that

past a shopping center that

past a shopping center that had a thermometer reading 24 degrees below

had a thermometer reading 24 degrees below

had a thermometer reading 24 degrees below zero i thought what did i do to anyone

zero i thought what did i do to anyone

i met pastor robert hanson and his family shortly after i became a pastor at that

i met pastor robert hanson and his family shortly after i became a pastor at that church

church

church he was a quiet friendly man i

he was a quiet friendly man i

he was a quiet friendly man i didn't notice any dark side

didn't notice any dark side

didn't notice any dark side that surfaced later or

that surfaced later or

that surfaced later or anything

like that i knew that he has a

like that i knew that he has a landlord And because I'm a donut fan

landlord And because I'm a donut fan

landlord And because I'm a donut fan I visited her a few times he

I visited her a few times he

I visited her a few times he acted like everyone

else never went to church But Darla

else never went to church But Darla Robert's wife was religious so she

Yes she was a teacher at the local school and a

Yes she was a teacher at the local school and a very, very good one. She was an active lady

very, very good one. She was an active lady

very, very good one. She was an active lady who expressed herself in writing and was one of the

who expressed herself in writing and was one of the

who expressed herself in writing and was one of the best in the state in terms of teaching

best in the state in terms of teaching

best in the state in terms of teaching children with dyslexia. She was excellent at that. I

liked her very much. She was

liked her very much. She was my favorite teacher of all my

my favorite teacher of all my

my favorite teacher of all my daughters back then. the school

daughters back then. the school

daughters back then. the school didn't know what to do with all the kids with

didn't know what to do with all the kids with

didn't know what to do with all the kids with problems so they put them in darlin's

problems so they put them in darlin's

problems so they put them in darlin's class

class

class i can't say a bad

word about darla and robert hovy they had two kids

word about darla and robert hovy they had two kids chy and

johnny here is a picture of kristy in fifth to

johnny here is a picture of kristy in fifth to sixth

sixth

sixth grade Yes this was the year

grade Yes this was the year

grade Yes this was the year 82 here i am i was in the same

82 here i am i was in the same

82 here i am i was in the same class as ch

class as ch

class as ch hans we always waited for

hans we always waited for

hans we always waited for johnny he was younger than

johnny he was younger than

johnny he was younger than ch she loved her dad to her and johnny

ch she loved her dad to her and johnny

ch she loved her dad to her and johnny was always nice to him he loved his children very much

[Music]

[Music] I set off for the river

the place I landed on is a gravel area with

the place I landed on is a gravel area with

woods and a processing shed in the distance

woods and a processing shed in the distance

[Music]

[Music] the meat is freely

the meat is freely

the meat is freely accessible so Hunters can

accessible so Hunters can

accessible so Hunters can hang moose meat in it and

hang moose meat in it and

hang moose meat in it and more I told her we would spend the

day there but as soon as we got to her

day there but as soon as we got to her another plane started landing by the river I

thought damn that

thought damn that idiot is flying

to shoot him he waved his wings at me and I

to shoot him he waved his wings at me and I waved at him then he picked up again height and

waved at him then he picked up again height and

waved at him then he picked up again height and went back to the

[Music]

[Music] scared me a bit but the problem was that I

scared me a bit but the problem was that I

scared me a bit but the problem was that I mentioned to her that meat was processed in that shed

mentioned to her that meat was processed in that shed

mentioned to her that meat was processed in that shed

maybe she started to think

maybe she started to think that Well I don't know Then it all took a

that Well I don't know Then it all took a

that Well I don't know Then it all took a bad

1983 a year after the Sheri Plague about a

1983 a year after the Sheri Plague about a kilometer further downstream, another

kilometer further downstream, another

kilometer further downstream, another body was found and this woman was found by two hunters who

body was found and this woman was found by two hunters who

body was found and this woman was found by two hunters who went on a September

elk hunt, she was a very young white woman with a

elk hunt, she was a very young white woman with a gunshot wound in the chest who it went through

gunshot wound in the chest who it went through

gunshot wound in the chest who it went through her

her

her heart and this time too a 223 caliber cartridge was found near the body.

heart and this time too a 223 caliber cartridge was found near the body.

And at that moment things started to go in

And at that moment things started to go in all possible

all possible

all possible directions,

directions,

directions, to the fear that an

to the fear that an

to the fear that an owl

killer might be moving around, more and more bodies started to appear,

killer might be moving around, more and more bodies started to appear, which put a lot of pressure on the police,

which put a lot of pressure on the police,

which put a lot of pressure on the police, and that's when

and that's when

and that's when sergeant Glen

flot FL came into the case he was a state trooper he used a

flot FL came into the case he was a state trooper he used a very structured way of thinking

very structured way of thinking

very structured way of thinking

problem solving because they found the bodies and I had

problem solving because they found the bodies and I had their names and times of disappearance following the

their names and times of disappearance following the

they announced that they will create a task force

they announced that they will create a task force that will

deal with the cases the police say that there could

deal with the cases the police say that there could be up to 12 women victims they are also asking the public for

be up to 12 women victims they are also asking the public for

be up to 12 women victims they are also asking the public for any

any

any information the state police asked our

information the state police asked our

information the state police asked our chief investigator to release me

chief investigator to release me

chief investigator to release me However I was forbidden to cooperate with them

However I was forbidden to cooperate with them

However I was forbidden to cooperate with them I was angry I was

I was angry I was

I was angry I was angry all the victims they had fair hair

angry all the victims they had fair hair

angry all the victims they had fair hair and a slim figure, they all disappeared after the

and a slim figure, they all disappeared after the

and a slim figure, they all disappeared after the afternoon date, I agreed to

afternoon date, I agreed to

afternoon date, I agreed to give all the information I had to Flov,

give all the information I had to Flov,

give all the information I had to Flov, so I gave him all the folders,

so I gave him all the folders,

so I gave him all the folders, everything I had however, as for

everything I had however, as for

everything I had however, as for the suspect, the police say they

the suspect, the police say they

the suspect, the police say they don't have much information about the killer, we are currently trying to

don't have much information about the killer, we are currently trying to

don't have much information about the killer, we are currently trying to determine if it is one suspect

determine if it is one suspect

determine if it is one suspect from a missing persons case or

from a missing persons case or

from a missing persons case or murders, we have several different

suspects here Sunday Singles was a dating site

suspects here Sunday Singles was a dating site in the encore

newspaper and I just met Bob

newspaper and I just met Bob hansen

met an adventurous man looking for a woman

met an adventurous man looking for a woman who is not afraid to put on jeans and walk

who is not afraid to put on jeans and walk

who is not afraid to put on jeans and walk hand in hand with me towards new

[Music]

[Music] experiences I talked my family to

experiences I talked my family to

experiences I talked my family to spend the whole summer in

spend the whole summer in

spend the whole summer in Europe I wanted to

Europe I wanted to

Europe I wanted to find out if I could find someone I would be

find out if I could find someone I would be

find out if I could find someone I would be really

really

really close to I was looking for a

close to I was looking for a

close to I was looking for a cordial relationship intimate

Friendship June 8,

Friendship June 8, 1983 It was June 83 He took me to a

1983 It was June 83 He took me to a

1983 It was June 83 He took me to a bar he was nice

bar he was nice

bar he was nice stuttering I felt

stuttering I felt

stuttering I felt sorry for him He told me he had hard life and that

sorry for him He told me he had hard life and that

sorry for him He told me he had hard life and that when he was younger everyone

laughed at him He asked me if I would like to fly with him

I agreed thank god but it was

I agreed thank god but it was too windy so he took me to his

home when we went

home when we went in his dog ran away and hid in the

in his dog ran away and hid in the

in his dog ran away and hid in the closet I thought it was very strange that his

closet I thought it was very strange that his

closet I thought it was very strange that his own dog was

very proud of them and bragged

very proud of them and bragged about

about

about them in fact he was proud of the whole basement

them in fact he was proud of the whole basement

them in fact he was proud of the whole basement I'd say it was kind of his

I'd say it was kind of his

I'd say it was kind of his boy

den We sat down and it was

den We sat down and it was intimate

intimate

intimate we cuddled on

the couch We sat on the couch and he

the couch We sat on the couch and he asked me if I wanted to go out with him

asked me if I wanted to go out with him

asked me if I wanted to go out with him make love on the bearskin rug

make love on the bearskin rug

make love on the bearskin rug I said

no he looked at

no he looked at me

me

me and

I didn't know what he meant but I was

I didn't know what he meant but I was glad I

refused as soon as she said no I

refused as soon as she said no I didn't care it

didn't care it

didn't care it didn't go on I honestly didn't try to

didn't go on I honestly didn't try to

didn't go on I honestly didn't try to force her she was a nice lady she just didn't want to

force her she was a nice lady she just didn't want to

force her she was a nice lady she just didn't want to it's ok it was

it's ok it was

it's ok it was nice I'm very lucky to be sitting here

because one little thing could have

because one little thing could have

pissed him off and he could have decided to

pissed him off and he could have decided to kill me Who

knows

knows My name is Greg Baker Greg Baker

My name is Greg Baker Greg Baker

Anchorage Police Department I started working on the h case

Anchorage Police Department I started working on the h case in

in

in 1983 June 13,

1983 I was on patrol and was training a

1983 I was on patrol and was training a new officer

named it was around tc in the morning We were on the

named it was around tc in the morning We were on the night

night

night shift

shift

shift We got a report from dispatch that a

We got a report from dispatch that a

We got a report from dispatch that a naked white woman was running down Fifth Avenue in

handcuffs, a man gave a ride to a woman on his way to work

handcuffs, a man gave a ride to a woman on his way to work and dropped her off at a motel

and dropped her off at a motel

and dropped her off at a motel [Music]

Wood when we got there we didn't know

Wood when we got there we didn't know what wait But the door rang we found out she

what wait But the door rang we found out she

what wait But the door rang we found out she was there

alone We removed her handcuffs and gave her

alone We removed her handcuffs and gave her some

clothes she was extremely

clothes she was extremely agitated it took a while for her to calm down

agitated it took a while for her to calm down

agitated it took a while for her to calm down enough to be able to give us

enough to be able to give us

enough to be able to give us any

information she stated her name was Cindy

information she stated her name was Cindy paulson

AD when around a man drove by and

AD when around a man drove by and stopped in

the parking lot I had fun with him and He offered

the parking lot I had fun with him and He offered me 200 dollars for oral sex in the car I was

me 200 dollars for oral sex in the car I was

me 200 dollars for oral sex in the car I was fine with that no

problem

problem then he pulled out a gun on N and he put

then he pulled out a gun on N and he put

then he pulled out a gun on N and he put handcuffs on her and told her that if she started screaming for

handcuffs on her and told her that if she started screaming for

handcuffs on her and told her that if she started screaming for help she would make any noises or

help she would make any noises or

help she would make any noises or try to run away he would shoot her and put her body

try to run away he would shoot her and put her body

try to run away he would shoot her and put her body somewhere

I pulled a gun on N and told her

I pulled a gun on N and told her you are a professional and you are not excited at all

you are a professional and you are not excited at all

you are a professional and you are not excited at all If you do exactly what

If you do exactly what

If you do exactly what I say you will be fine

it won't happen I

it won't happen I always dealt with them as

scared the hell out of me I fought back

scared the hell out of me I fought back but not much because I knew he would

but not much because I knew he would

but not much because I knew he would

do something to me He took me to his house on Old

do something to me He took me to his house on Old Harbor Road in the

[Music]

[Music] den I told her I'd like it

den I told her I'd like it

den I told her I'd like it a little different And I'd like to have sex with her

a little different And I'd like to have sex with her

a little different And I'd like to have sex with her on a big bearskin rug he

her around my neck wrapped the

her around my neck wrapped the chain four times and put I

was handcuffed down there for P hours

was handcuffed down there for P hours I was only thinking about how to get out of there

I was only thinking about how to get out of there

I was only thinking about how to get out of there because I don't want to

die yet he told her that she was very nice and

die yet he told her that she was very nice and cooperative and that's why he would take her to my

cooperative and that's why he would take her to my

cooperative and that's why he would take her to my cabin in

the woods. I told her the truth

the woods. I told her the truth that we would go out and spend the

weekend together. I told him that all I

weekend together. I told him that all I wanted to do was go home because they live with my mom and

wanted to do was go home because they live with my mom and

wanted to do was go home because they live with my mom and that

I wouldn't tell anyone.

I wouldn't tell anyone.

chat and then

chat and then back again But I knew he

back again But I knew he

back again But I knew he wasn't coming back

We arrived at the airport and he said he

We arrived at the airport and he said he had to put a seat on the plane so he

had to put a seat on the plane so he

had to put a seat on the plane so he could

could

could handcuff me I knew I was going to die

handcuff me I knew I was going to die

handcuff me I knew I was going to die the man

the man

the man did he had to

kill me i opened the back door and and she was

kill me i opened the back door and and she was running he ran after me with a gun in his

hand and then the man in the van stopped me

hand and then the man in the van stopped me because he saw i was wearing handcuffs and had

because he saw i was wearing handcuffs and had

because he saw i was wearing handcuffs and had no shoes i was

hysterical i asked her if she would

hysterical i asked her if she would come with me to the hospital and had a

come with me to the hospital and had a

come with me to the hospital and had a sexual abuse exam

agreed on the way there we drove

agreed on the way there we drove past maril field airport and she

past maril field airport and she

past maril field airport and she showed me the

plane so i contacted the airport

plane so i contacted the airport and asked them to give me D his

owner name sounded like Robert

owner name sounded like Robert Hanson

Hen meanwhile he went back to his

Hen meanwhile he went back to his house he cooperated from the beginning

house he cooperated from the beginning

house he cooperated from the beginning he didn't resist at all and agreed to go with us to the

station at first impression he seemed

station at first impression he seemed like an ordinary

like an ordinary

like an ordinary guy to me He told me he owned and that

guy to me He told me he owned and that

guy to me He told me he owned and that he wasn't in the company of any

prostitutes that morning but I knew the truth So

prostitutes that morning but I knew the truth So I was sure he was

I was sure he was

I was sure he was lying to me right at the beginning of my police

lying to me right at the beginning of my police

lying to me right at the beginning of my police career I learned that when someone

career I learned that when someone

career I learned that when someone lies to you It's the best thing that can

lies to you It's the best thing that can

lies to you It's the best thing that can happen to you firstly they don't remember exactly what

happen to you firstly they don't remember exactly what

happen to you firstly they don't remember exactly what they said and secondly they lie easily

rebutted so we went to his house

rebutted so we went to his house on Old Harbor

on Old Harbor

on Old Harbor Road We went to the basement where there was a

Road We went to the basement where there was a

Road We went to the basement where there was a furnished

room there was a couch and a bearskin rug on the floor

room there was a couch and a bearskin rug on the floor exactly as Cindy

exactly as Cindy

exactly as Cindy paulson described

when the police came to me in the basement

when the police came to me in the basement one officer looked up toward on

the ceiling he tried to push in two or three

the ceiling he tried to push in two or three places and narrowly missed where I

places and narrowly missed where I

places and narrowly missed where I had hidden one of the weapons I almost

had hidden one of the weapons I almost

had hidden one of the weapons I almost had a

heart attack at that moment we found no physical

heart attack at that moment we found no physical evidence but even so, I had the feeling that we should

evidence but even so, I had the feeling that we should

arrest Robert, but then the investigator said that he

arrest Robert, but then the investigator said that he believed Mr. Hon and apparently the whole thing is

believed Mr. Hon and apparently the whole thing is

believed Mr. Hon and apparently the whole thing is that Cindy raised his price and he

that Cindy raised his price and he

that Cindy raised his price and he refused to

No one tried to find out if Hansen was lying

No one tried to find out if Hansen was lying or not it was a bad

job Cindy she didn't seem to me like a

job Cindy she didn't seem to me like a prostitute who just made up a

story She was honestly afraid that she would die and no one

story She was honestly afraid that she would die and no one would find out How and where

would find out How and where

would find out How and where she disappeared and her body would never be

found because she was a prostitute from Ulica

found because she was a prostitute from Ulica and Hansen was blameless entrepreneur the whole thing was

and Hansen was blameless entrepreneur the whole thing was

and Hansen was blameless entrepreneur the whole thing was swept under the

[Music]

[Music] table July

table July

table July 1983 then I didn't hear a word about the case for the

1983 then I didn't hear a word about the case for the

1983 then I didn't hear a word about the case for the next T weeks I

noticed that the last report

noticed that the last report said the investigation was

said the investigation was

said the investigation was suspended In other words no

suspended In other words no

suspended In other words no one will deal with this case anymore I was annoyed

one will deal with this case anymore I was annoyed

one will deal with this case anymore I was annoyed

[Music]

[Music] it had i have a feeling cindy paulson

package november 22,

package november 22, 1971 12 ago

1971 12 ago

1971 12 ago years I first met robert chr hans

years I first met robert chr hans

years I first met robert chr hans probably during his first

probably during his first

probably during his first arrest in alaska when

arrest in alaska when

arrest in alaska when he tried to kidnap a

woman in late 1971 if we go back to miss hova to

woman in late 1971 if we go back to miss hova to 1971 i believe she was not

1971 i believe she was not

1971 i believe she was not a prostitute she was actually working for a

a prostitute she was actually working for a

a prostitute she was actually working for a real estate

real estate

real estate company when i first saw her It

company when i first saw her It

company when i first saw her It was

was

was downtown I liked

her I wanted to talk to her

her I wanted to talk to her so I got in my car and

so I got in my car and

so I got in my car and followed her

[Music]

[Music] home the next day he came back with a gun and

home the next day he came back with a gun and

home the next day he came back with a gun and tried her kidnap her

screams her roommates noticed what

screams her roommates noticed what was happening and called the police so Hansen

was happening and called the police so Hansen

was happening and called the police so Hansen ran away In about 30 minutes a police officer

ran away In about 30 minutes a police officer

ran away In about 30 minutes a police officer found a suspicious vehicle they stopped him

found a suspicious vehicle they stopped him

found a suspicious vehicle they stopped him and

arrested the driver when they spoke to him he acted

arrested the driver when they spoke to him he acted like a coward with his head down he

like a coward with his head down he

like a coward with his head down he denied everything he didn't even look at you

denied everything he didn't even look at you

denied everything he didn't even look at you he was playing to

[Music]

[Music] innocent I panicked I said to myself

innocent I panicked I said to myself

innocent I panicked I said to myself God Bob you're going to get in trouble

I didn't mean to do anything wrong

I didn't mean to do anything wrong but it happened all at once

but it happened all at once

but it happened all at once and my

and my

and my god i had the impression that j was planning to

god i had the impression that j was planning to

god i had the impression that j was planning to rape me then i decided to compile a

rape me then i decided to compile a

rape me then i decided to compile a list with color photographs of possible

list with color photographs of possible

list with color photographs of possible sex offenders he was number

j hen was released from custody while

j hen was released from custody while awaiting a

awaiting a

awaiting a court date on december 19,

court date on december 19,

court date on december 19, 1971 while he was out on bail

1971 while he was out on bail

1971 while he was out on bail i received a phone call from one of the

i received a phone call from one of the

i received a phone call from one of the investigators he said he had his victim's name

investigators he said he had his victim's name

investigators he said he had his victim's name was Patria

Roberts she said he kidnapped her from the center of

Roberts she said he kidnapped her from the center of anor While N was pointing

anor While N was pointing

anor While N was pointing [Music]

with a gun and he took her to the peninsula

with a gun and he took her to the peninsula which is about 260 km from

which is about 260 km from

which is about 260 km from odor and there he sexually

assaulted her as soon as i had her i didn't know

assaulted her as soon as i had her i didn't know what to do with her

what to do with her

what to do with her if she was

she thought he was

she thought he was going to kill her but then

going to kill her but then

going to kill her but then she convinced him to take her back

to the policeman said to look at our

to the policeman said to look at our list and she identified Robert as the

list and she identified Robert as the

list and she identified Robert as the

kidnapper arrested in

kidnapper arrested in 1971 and so we had him at the police

1971 and so we had him at the police

1971 and so we had him at the police station

station

station again according to his claim She was working as a

again according to his claim She was working as a

again according to his claim She was working as a prostitute and it was all for

money hem there was a certain agreement which

money hem there was a certain agreement which was that if he confesses to the assault and armed

was that if he confesses to the assault and armed

was that if he confesses to the assault and armed robbery of the secretary

he will be cleared of the charges against

he will be cleared of the charges against him for the kidnapping of the py

roberts. In my opinion it was huge

roberts. In my opinion it was huge ch any jury would have found him

ch any jury would have found him

ch any jury would have found him guilty they would have sent him to prison for 20

guilty they would have sent him to prison for 20

guilty they would have sent him to prison for 20 years and if they did a lot of other

years and if they did a lot of other

years and if they did a lot of other women would still be

women would still be

women would still be alive March 24, 1972 Hansen was

alive March 24, 1972 Hansen was

alive March 24, 1972 Hansen was sentenced to five years in prison for assault and

sentenced to five years in prison for assault and

sentenced to five years in prison for assault and battery on Susan

battery on Susan

battery on Susan his charges in the Patria

his charges in the Patria

his charges in the Patria Roberts case were

I think he

I think he learned his lesson and that from that moment on

learned his lesson and that from that moment on

learned his lesson and that from that moment on he chose easy victims, not pretty

girls, they were not trustworthy persons in the eyes of society

girls, they were not trustworthy persons in the eyes of society but

but

but prostitutes and

dancers, he chose his victims so that he would

dancers, he chose his victims so that he would lose or be his person at all

lose or be his person at all

lose or be his person at all deal with and that anyone will

believe it at all prostitutes are women for me that

believe it at all prostitutes are women for me that I put on a lower level than

myself I can do things with them that I wouldn't do with a

myself I can do things with them that I wouldn't do with a normal woman

Pocahontas

Pocahontas iowa

1951 ž approximately 2 inhabitants It was a nice

1951 ž approximately 2 inhabitants It was a nice place Where to spend my

childhood nothing ever happened in Pocahontas of

immediate

immediate h he was my

classmate he didn't say much he got bad

classmate he didn't say much he got bad grades and often got into trouble

grades and often got into trouble

grades and often got into trouble his parents ran a bakery on main

his parents ran a bakery on main

his parents ran a bakery on main street his father baked most by himself It

street his father baked most by himself It

street his father baked most by himself It was a very popular bakery because

was a very popular bakery because

was a very popular bakery because before they came to Pocahontas

before they came to Pocahontas

before they came to Pocahontas there was nothing like it

there was nothing like it

there was nothing like it

and that's how Robert Hanson learned his

and that's how Robert Hanson learned his trade His father was very strict

trade His father was very strict

trade His father was very strict old fashioned he used punishments and he

old fashioned he used punishments and he

old fashioned he used punishments and he wasn't very

good with money B had trouble speaking in front of the class and

good with money B had trouble speaking in front of the class and sometimes

sometimes

sometimes stuttered He was a shy

stuttered He was a shy

stuttered He was a shy boy if you look at his face

boy if you look at his face

boy if you look at his face in detail he had a huge number of

in detail he had a huge number of

in detail he had a huge number of pimples and then my speech for god's sake I

pimples and then my speech for god's sake I

pimples and then my speech for god's sake I looked like a Weird and sounded like that too that's

looked like a Weird and sounded like that too that's

looked like a Weird and sounded like that too that's why he thought about me too girls

weren't very interested after high school he joined the

weren't very interested after high school he joined the army his first sexual experience

army his first sexual experience

army his first sexual experience was with a prostitute in New

York it was quite a

York it was quite a disappointment We jumped into bed and

disappointment We jumped into bed and

disappointment We jumped into bed and got out of bed right away and that was

got out of bed right away and that was

got out of bed right away and that was it And that was probably part of the reason

it And that was probably part of the reason

it And that was probably part of the reason why did I think that if

why did I think that if

why did I think that if someone

someone

someone paid for it He should be the one

paid for it He should be the one

paid for it He should be the one driving it when he came back to Pocahontas according to the

driving it when he came back to Pocahontas according to the

driving it when he came back to Pocahontas according to the police chief he became a

troublemaker I came home for a

troublemaker I came home for a classmate's wedding and my mom told me that Bob

classmate's wedding and my mom told me that Bob

classmate's wedding and my mom told me that Bob had set the school

bus garage on fire at in that place I experienced so much

bus garage on fire at in that place I experienced so much embarrassment and suffering when

embarrassment and suffering when

embarrassment and suffering when they made fun of me there that I started to hate the

they made fun of me there that I started to hate the

they made fun of me there that I started to hate the very word

very word

very word school and that's probably why I set the bus

school and that's probably why I set the bus

school and that's probably why I set the bus garage on fire

I would do anything to he took revenge on that

I would do anything to he took revenge on that horrible school that I believed

horrible school that I believed

horrible school that I believed existed Just to hurt Bob

existed Just to hurt Bob

existed Just to hurt Bob Hanson in October 1961 Robert

Hanson in October 1961 Robert

Hanson in October 1961 Robert Hanson was sentenced to three years for

Hanson was sentenced to three years for

Hanson was sentenced to three years for arson his father was very ashamed of it

arson his father was very ashamed of it

arson his father was very ashamed of it and soon after that his parents sold the bakery

and soon after that his parents sold the bakery

and soon after that his parents sold the bakery and bought a resort in

and bought a resort in

and bought a resort in Minnesota

Minnesota

Minnesota after Hansen served time 20 months he was

after Hansen served time 20 months he was

released in May 1963 in the spring I got out of

released in May 1963 in the spring I got out of prison and went to visit my family at the

prison and went to visit my family at the

prison and went to visit my family at the resort where I spent the whole

[Music]

[Music] summer during this time I met a

summer during this time I met a

summer during this time I met a girl darl

I fell in love with her and proposed I

I fell in love with her and proposed I was lucky enough she said

Alaska [Music] It was supposed to mean a new beginning

Alaska [Music] It was supposed to mean a new beginning It was supposed to make a thick line behind all

It was supposed to make a thick line behind all

It was supposed to make a thick line behind all my life so far

my life so far

my life so far pocahontas parents and arson as a little boy

pocahontas parents and arson as a little boy

pocahontas parents and arson as a little boy i have hunted and fished a lot and read a lot about alaska I

i have hunted and fished a lot and read a lot about alaska I

said Darla I would like to

said Darla I would like to go to Alaska for a while I

1983 I found out that Robert Hanson

1983 I found out that Robert Hanson had committed violence against women in the past

I was sure he was responsible for the attack on

I was sure he was responsible for the attack on CY with the dog

But at the same time I knew about all

But at the same time I knew about all the missing

decided I wasn't going to let it

decided I wasn't going to let it

go I pulled together all the available

go I pulled together all the available records and contacted the State

Police

Police Alaska State Police has a statewide

[Music]

[Music] the powers of the enkor police only had authority

the powers of the enkor police only had authority

the powers of the enkor police only had authority within the

within the

within the city, therefore

city, therefore

city, therefore there was always a tug-

of-war between these two organizations, if anyone found out that

of-war between these two organizations, if anyone found out that I had given this information to the State Police,

I had given this information to the State Police,

I had given this information to the State Police, I would bear certain consequences, the

Alaska State Police had a

Alaska State Police had a list of about 30

list of about 30

list of about 30 to 40 suspects posted on the wall looked at as

to 40 suspects posted on the wall looked at as

to 40 suspects posted on the wall looked at as potentially problematic and Hansen was

potentially problematic and Hansen was

potentially problematic and Hansen was ranked 12 for them Greg came up to them and

ranked 12 for them Greg came up to them and

ranked 12 for them Greg came up to them and said look at

said look at

said look at [Music]

this this for the fleet meant a major

this this for the fleet meant a major giant

giant

giant this was that this was the missing

this was that this was the missing

this was that this was the missing piece of the puzzle this is him This is our

piece of the puzzle this is him This is our

piece of the puzzle this is him This is our man so now They needed to put him in

man so now They needed to put him in

man so now They needed to put him in jail they needed to get him behind bars and off the

jail they needed to get him behind bars and off the

jail they needed to get him behind bars and off the streets because they were afraid he would strike

again Finally I went out into town again

looking for I want it to happen

looking for I want it to happen again but I was like a moth

again but I was like a moth

again but I was like a moth [Music]

I was born in West Virginia and

I was born in West Virginia and when I was from Jor to the

when I was from Jor to the

when I was from Jor to the Air Force Pa she came from Hawaii she was a raft

Air Force Pa she came from Hawaii she was a raft

Air Force Pa she came from Hawaii she was a raft about a week when she started looking for

about a week when she started looking for

about a week when she started looking for a place to live Robin burová roommate ply

a place to live Robin burová roommate ply

a place to live Robin burová roommate ply Golding I was newly divorced and

Golding I was newly divorced and

Golding I was newly divorced and had a three-room apartment so I

had a three-room apartment so I

had a three-room apartment so I offered her to live with me until she

offered her to live with me until she

offered her to live with me until she got on her own two feet It's one of

got on her own two feet It's one of

got on her own two feet It's one of those cases where you instantly bond with someone

those cases where you instantly bond with someone

those cases where you instantly bond with someone it was amazing person very

it was amazing person very

it was amazing person very funny and wanted to make it in life

funny and wanted to make it in life

funny and wanted to make it in life [Music]

[Music]

[Music] Paula Worked as a dancer in the

Paula Worked as a dancer in the

Paula Worked as a dancer in the Bush Company it wasn't something she

Bush Company it wasn't something she

Bush Company it wasn't something she was passionate about and always wanted

was passionate about and always wanted

was passionate about and always wanted but just a stepping stone to something

else when she danced the first night she could

else when she danced the first night she could only take off her T-shirt she was so

nervous she hadn't even been there for a

nervous she hadn't even been there for a week I think she revealed herself only

week I think she revealed herself only

week I think she revealed herself only once and he was there and she

felt that he was a good man he

felt that he was a good man he promised her that he will take some professional [Music] pictures with her in the forest,

promised her that he will take some professional [Music] pictures with her in the forest,

promised her that he will take some professional [Music] pictures with her in the forest,

but the problem was that I mentioned to her

but the problem was that I mentioned to her that meat is processed in that shed, she

that meat is processed in that shed, she

that meat is processed in that shed, she was excited about getting a

was excited about getting a

was excited about getting a new opportunity and will leave so much

new opportunity and will leave so much

new opportunity and will leave so much dancing she started

dancing she started

dancing she started screaming you're going to kill me you're going to kill

screaming you're going to kill me you're going to kill

screaming you're going to kill me you're going to kill me she was a beautiful woman a young woman with her

me she was a beautiful woman a young woman with her

me she was a beautiful woman a young woman with her whole life ahead of

running I took a few steps back and

running I took a few steps back and grabbed my

grabbed my

grabbed my rifle when she didn't come home that night

rifle when she didn't come home that night

rifle when she didn't come home that night I knew something was up he shot

I knew something was up he shot

I knew something was up he shot her with a caliber rifle 223

[Music]

[Music] Yes right there in

the woods

the woods [Music]

Paula Golding 30

Paula Golding 30 years old I think it was September

years old I think it was September

years old I think it was September 1983 when she came to our house The police to

1983 when she came to our house The police to

1983 when she came to our house The police to inform us that her body was found

inform us that her body was found

inform us that her body was found by the river

[Music]

[Music] Nick

Nick

Nick I felt so

helpless

helpless That I couldn't help her That

That I couldn't help her That

That I couldn't help her That I could somehow

stop it Hansen's case I started

stop it Hansen's case I started looking into it when the state troopers came to our office

looking into it when the state troopers came to our office

looking into it when the state troopers came to our office with a warrant to

with a warrant to

with a warrant to search We knew that when

search We knew that when

search We knew that when we got to the man's house we would find

we got to the man's house we would find

we got to the man's house we would find a lot of

evidence, we wanted to lure him out of the house,

evidence, we wanted to lure him out of the house, so we called him to see if he could come

so we called him to see if he could come

so we called him to see if he could come to the station for questioning and he

agreed October 27,

agreed October 27, 1983 Mr. Hansen was called in for

folders on each of them was the name Robert

folders on each of them was the name Robert Hanson they had been investigating him for

years on the wall they had a map where they

years on the wall they had a map where they marked the way from the center to the prostitutes

marked the way from the center to the prostitutes

marked the way from the center to the prostitutes working at his

house the whole room was prepared So

house the whole room was prepared So that se The man who is afraid of being exposed was

that se The man who is afraid of being exposed was

that se The man who is afraid of being exposed was even

even

even more afraid

more afraid

more afraid because The more afraid

he was the more likely he was to make a

he was the more likely he was to make a mistake you understand that the

mistake you understand that the

mistake you understand that the tape recorder is on and that our

tape recorder is on and that our

tape recorder is on and that our the conversation is being recorded is that so Bob

yes during the first interrogation they went

yes during the first interrogation they went very carefully about it they told him that he knew about his

very carefully about it they told him that he knew about his

very carefully about it they told him that he knew about his childhood about the problems he had about

childhood about the problems he had about

childhood about the problems he had about being in prison and so

being in prison and so

being in prison and so on something terrible happened to this young woman she was

on something terrible happened to this young woman she was

shot

shot and you tell me that I that was me exactly that's right

and you tell me that I that was me exactly that's right

and you tell me that I that was me exactly that's right you're wrong I

you're wrong I

you're wrong I didn't shoot anyone and I didn't hurt anyone he

didn't shoot anyone and I didn't hurt anyone he

didn't shoot anyone and I didn't hurt anyone he started his old song again that

started his old song again that

started his old song again that they have a bad man and he doesn't know what

they have a bad man and he doesn't know what

they have a bad man and he doesn't know what we're talking about and that he

we're talking about and that he

we're talking about and that he was involved with prostitutes but for money he denied

denied denied October 27,

denied denied October 27, 1983 the state police started questioning

1983 the state police started questioning

1983 the state police started questioning about the

murders while Hanson was being questioned in

murders while Hanson was being questioned in his house

[Music]

[Music] The search was going on it's been 30 35 years since I

The search was going on it's been 30 35 years since I

The search was going on it's been 30 35 years since I was

last here they called Me and they asked if I

last here they called Me and they asked if I could arrive

could arrive

could arrive J could I identify

J could I identify

J could I identify [Music]

[Music]

[Music] jewelry I arrived and spoke to Darl and

jewelry I arrived and spoke to Darl and

jewelry I arrived and spoke to Darl and their two

scared the

scared the girl just stood there with tears running

girl just stood there with tears running

girl just stood there with tears running down her

face at home you have a beautiful wife so why are

face at home you have a beautiful wife so why are you roaming the streets looking for those

you roaming the streets looking for those

you roaming the streets looking for those girls do you have a

problem at home i have no problem at all

problem at home i have no problem at all i just wanted oral

i just wanted oral

i just wanted oral sex maybe it's old fashioned but this is

sex maybe it's old fashioned but this is

sex maybe it's old fashioned but this is something I would never ask of my wife under any circumstances

something I would never ask of my wife under any circumstances

you understand the investigators spent

you understand the investigators spent a lot of time in the house but were not very successful in finding a key piece of

a lot of time in the house but were not very successful in finding a key piece of

a lot of time in the house but were not very successful in finding a key piece of evidence i

went through all

went through all the drawers looking for any clues

the drawers looking for any clues

the drawers looking for any clues especially

didn't find anything, the basement and the first floor were searched very

didn't find anything, the basement and the first floor were searched very thoroughly, the

thoroughly, the

thoroughly, the only place that was left

only place that was left

only place that was left was

was

was the attic, so I didn't want to do

confess to nothing at all, he knew

confess to nothing at all, he knew that we had nothing against him at all

But that is not what Miss

But that is not what Miss Herd or Miss Rob and others claim, all

Herd or Miss Rob and others claim, all

Herd or Miss Rob and others claim, all these women felt that if he did not do

these women felt that if he did not do

these women felt that if he did not do exactly what he said you'd kill them

exactly what he said you'd kill them

exactly what he said you'd kill them look at that i'm not gonna do anything i'm telling

look at that i'm not gonna do anything i'm telling

look at that i'm not gonna do anything i'm telling you the truth you're not telling me the truth bob i

you the truth you're not telling me the truth bob i

you the truth you're not telling me the truth bob i 'm saying they were hoping to break him but

'm saying they were hoping to break him but

'm saying they were hoping to break him but they didn't this is damn serious so the

they didn't this is damn serious so the

they didn't this is damn serious so the

lawyer is fine it's

lawyer is fine it's 1356 we're interrupting the recording of the interrogation mr.

1356 we're interrupting the recording of the interrogation mr.

1356 we're interrupting the recording of the interrogation mr. hanson just asked for a

hanson just asked for a

hanson just asked for a lawyer

lawyer

lawyer mr. flot was very worried so much so that

mr. flot was very worried so much so that

mr. flot was very worried so much so that when Mr. H's interrogation was interrupted, he himself

when Mr. H's interrogation was interrupted, he himself

when Mr. H's interrogation was interrupted, he himself went to Mr. H's house and participated in

the search, everyone realized how

the search, everyone realized how important it was to get that man out of streets

important it was to get that man out of streets

important it was to get that man out of streets so they felt under a lot of

pressure We started a systematic

pressure We started a systematic search of

search of

search of the ground

the ground

the ground I was working on one side and

I was working on one side and

I was working on one side and I went through about 10 or 12 layers of

I went through about 10 or 12 layers of

I went through about 10 or 12 layers of insulation and that's when I came across the

rifles that's how we found the

rifles that's how we found the .223 rifle that linked him to the two women

.223 rifle that linked him to the two women

.223 rifle that linked him to the two women found in shallow

graves and that was the break in the case

graves and that was the break in the case they finally had something concrete in their hands

we were nearing the end of

we were nearing the end of the inspection I was right at the entrance to the

attic I tore out a part isolation and there he

attic I tore out a part isolation and there he found a plastic bag with

jewelry they asked me to

jewelry they asked me to come look at the jewelry

come look at the jewelry

come look at the jewelry there were bracelets ankle chains and

necklaces We found what we

necklaces We found what we wanted we had no doubt about it he

wanted we had no doubt about it he

wanted we had no doubt about it he committed it it

is difficult to understand the mind of serial

is difficult to understand the mind of serial killers and the

killers and the

killers and the pleasure that during their

pleasure that during their

pleasure that during their and

again, and that's why they keep those

again, and that's why they keep those souvenirs so that they can

souvenirs so that they can

souvenirs so that they can remind them of each specific situation,

remind them of each specific situation,

remind them of each specific situation, the murder and the

the murder and the

the murder and the woman. he

woman. he

woman. he walked, looked at his treasures and

walked, looked at his treasures and

replayed his experiences in his mind under

replayed his experiences in his mind under everything. An ordinary life. He owned a

everything. An ordinary life. He owned a

everything. An ordinary life. He owned a bakery near the center. He was family-

bakery near the center. He was family-

bakery near the center. He was family- oriented. A man who liked to hunt and fly.

oriented. A man who liked to hunt and fly.

oriented. A man who liked to hunt and fly. However, he also had a darker side. for

However, he also had a darker side. for

several

several years at school everyone was talking about it

years at school everyone was talking about it

years at school everyone was talking about it we couldn't

we couldn't

we couldn't believe it it was

believe it it was

believe it it was [Music]

shocking

shocking then darla came up in front of the class with

then darla came up in front of the class with

then darla came up in front of the class with Kristy what a poor thing she looked like she

Kristy what a poor thing she looked like she

Kristy what a poor thing she looked like she would never stop

crying she was very angry and started

crying she was very angry and started screaming at us at the top of her lungs that it's not

screaming at us at the top of her lungs that it's not

screaming at us at the top of her lungs that it's not true that it's all a lie that he didn't do it

true that it's all a lie that he didn't do it

true that it's all a lie that he didn't do it and to stop

telling everyone she was very upset it

telling everyone she was very upset it broke my

broke my

broke my heart what if it was your father that

heart what if it was your father that

heart what if it was your father that you love how would you

feel Robert hon was arrested in October

feel Robert hon was arrested in October

1983 the police felt relief on the one hand

1983 the police felt relief on the one hand but on the other they knew they

but on the other they knew they

but on the other they knew they still had a long way to

go they still had Pou as their only

go they still had Pou as their only witness

witness

witness and without him confession they didn't have a bulletproof

case one of the things they found in his house

case one of the things they found in his house were aerial

maps with a pencil on them there were

maps with a pencil on them there were different

places highlighted around the anor when glen flot saw the map for the first time he

didn't pay too much attention to it one day

didn't pay too much attention to it one day he was looking at the map again and it occurred to him that the marked

he was looking at the map again and it occurred to him that the marked

he was looking at the map again and it occurred to him that the marked places could to mark the burial place of his

victims he went to one of the state

victims he went to one of the state police who investigated Hensen in

police who investigated Hensen in

police who investigated Hensen in one of the first cases and wanted him to

one of the first cases and wanted him to

one of the first cases and wanted him to show him on the map where the first body was found he

show him on the map where the first body was found he

show him on the map where the first body was found he said it was here but you already have it

said it was here but you already have it

said it was here but you already have it marked on the map and the fleet told him

marked on the map and the fleet told him

marked on the map and the fleet told him that he

didn't mark that place with the places where the bodies were found

didn't mark that place with the places where the bodies were found

The man was more productive than we

The man was more productive than we ever

thought February 19,

thought February 19, 1984 months after the arrest of Robert Hens I

1984 months after the arrest of Robert Hens I

1984 months after the arrest of Robert Hens I remember him calling me from prison and

remember him calling me from prison and

remember him calling me from prison and asking me to

visit he walked in looking quite serious as

visit he walked in looking quite serious as I recall today he obviously had something on his mind

I recall today he obviously had something on his mind

I recall today he obviously had something on his mind that he wanted to

that he wanted to

that he wanted to talk about he went in and the warden left

talk about he went in and the warden left

talk about he went in and the warden left and closed the

and closed the

and closed the door he said one question to you

door he said one question to you

door he said one question to you Pastor And what kind? He asked me

Pastor And what kind? He asked me

Pastor And what kind? He asked me what sins God

forgives. I answered him in the Bible, in

forgives. I answered him in the Bible, in chapter T of Mark's Gospel, it

chapter T of Mark's Gospel, it

chapter T of Mark's Gospel, it says that God forgives all kinds of sins,

says that God forgives all kinds of sins,

says that God forgives all kinds of sins, but not to the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit.

but not to the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit.

is all he

is all he wanted to know then he signaled to the guard

wanted to know then he signaled to the guard

wanted to know then he signaled to the guard standing at the door that he was ready to

standing at the door that he was ready to

standing at the door that he was ready to leave according to the question he asked me

leave according to the question he asked me

leave according to the question he asked me It was clear to me that he knew very well what he was

It was clear to me that he knew very well what he was

It was clear to me that he knew very well what he was doing it's a sin he wasn't blinded

doing it's a sin he wasn't blinded

doing it's a sin he wasn't blinded he knew it was

one of the reasons henson

one of the reasons henson decided to confess was his family

decided to confess was his family

decided to confess was his family he cared about very much

ironic they didn't understand what Johnny gave and what they

ironic they didn't understand what Johnny gave and what they had to

had to

had to experience I felt like she

experience I felt like she

experience I felt like she They blamed it, they threw bricks at their windows, they were

They blamed it, they threw bricks at their windows, they were

They blamed it, they threw bricks at their windows, they were angry and I completely understand their anger,

angry and I completely understand their anger,

angry and I completely understand their anger, but they didn't do anything and

but they didn't do anything and

but they didn't do anything and didn't know what Robert was doing, but

didn't know what Robert was doing, but

didn't know what Robert was doing, but because everyone blamed them for it

because everyone blamed them for it

because everyone blamed them for it they decided to

leave

leave two innocent children who loved their father

two innocent children who loved their father

two innocent children who loved their father were emotionally devastated by what happened

were emotionally devastated by what happened

were emotionally devastated by what happened

February 22,

February 22, 1984 we

1984 we

1984 we are recording

are recording

are recording Yes this is frank rch sergeant what

Yes this is frank rch sergeant what

Yes this is frank rch sergeant what time is it 850 in

time is it 850 in

time is it 850 in the morning We all agreed

the morning We all agreed

the morning We all agreed that we must keep

calm my main goal is to

calm my main goal is to minimize any harm in any way possible

minimize any harm in any way possible

minimize any harm in any way possible and the impact it could have on

and the impact it could have on

and the impact it could have on my

family no matter what he

family no matter what he tells us no matter how terrible we have to

tells us no matter how terrible we have to

tells us no matter how terrible we have to keep

keep

keep calm How many women are you on alš

calm How many women are you on alš

calm How many women are you on alš murdered čalo Bobe planned to tell us

murdered čalo Bobe planned to tell us

murdered čalo Bobe planned to tell us as little as possible to find out what we knew,

as little as possible to find out what we knew,

as little as possible to find out what we knew, but because we knew enough

but because we knew enough

but because we knew enough We had a

We had a

We had a head start It started with the body you

head start It started with the body you

head start It started with the body you found near the power line near EK Luty,

found near the power line near EK Luty,

found near the power line near EK Luty, how she was

how she was

how she was murdered with

a knife, he told us that he intended to leave

a knife, he told us that he intended to leave all these women

to go If they did what I wanted I let

to go If they did what I wanted I let them go and everything was

stayed He tried to imply to us that it

stayed He tried to imply to us that it was all their fault he said don't blame them

was all their fault he said don't blame them

they caused it to themselves So forget it This is

they caused it to themselves So forget it This is absolutely absurd

she had to fulfill my

she had to fulfill my wish If she came and said it would

wish If she came and said it would

wish If she came and said it would cost me more

cost me more

cost me more money then she was no longer a decent girl for me a

money then she was no longer a decent girl for me a

money then she was no longer a decent girl for me a decent girl was according to his

decent girl was according to his

decent girl was according to his definition one who was interested in him and not

definition one who was interested in him and not

definition one who was interested in him and not money and with these women who

money and with these women who

money and with these women who showed interest in him he acted in a certain way

showed interest in him he acted in a certain way

showed interest in him he acted in a certain way if they but They were interested in money they were

if they but They were interested in money they were

if they but They were interested in money they were rude girls to him he could do

rude girls to him he could do

rude girls to him he could do anything like this He was

thinking Jen stood there screaming at

thinking Jen stood there screaming at me so I pointed the gun at N and

me so I pointed the gun at N and

me so I pointed the gun at N and He squeezed out of

the desert when he described to us all the cases

the desert when he described to us all the cases that he assumed we knew too

he said and that was

he said and that was all If we had given up he would have continued

all If we had given up he would have continued

all If we had given up he would have continued with his life knowing that he had won that he had

with his life knowing that he had won that he had

with his life knowing that he had won that he had

defeated us But we had a map on which

defeated us But we had a map on which more than 20 places were marked

more than 20 places were marked

more than 20 places were marked on there are 21 stars on your air map

on there are 21 stars on your air map

on there are 21 stars on your air map what makes you believe that there

what makes you believe that there

what makes you believe that there could be 21

could be 21

could be 21 bodies out there you are the only one who knows how many people you have

murdered i focused on his

murdered i focused on his face and noticed his furrowed brows the hair

face and noticed his furrowed brows the hair

face and noticed his furrowed brows the hair on his

neck his expression changed at that moment

neck his expression changed at that moment I no longer saw Bob the baker

I no longer saw Bob the baker

I no longer saw Bob the baker but Bob the serial killer

women if you want to cooperate and

women if you want to cooperate and end it with that I am ready to charge you

end it with that I am ready to charge you

end it with that I am ready to charge you only for the act you are now involved in

he admitted I'll ask you again How many women have

he admitted I'll ask you again How many women have you murdered on alca there

are a lot of marks on the map I

are a lot of marks on the map I 'll be honest with you they

'll be honest with you they

'll be honest with you they really

really

really represent something really

represent something really

represent something really Yes we pointed to one asterisk after

Yes we pointed to one asterisk after

Yes we pointed to one asterisk after another and he started to tell The stories

another and he started to tell The stories

another and he started to tell The stories that go with each

that go with each

that go with each vase I tried to reach my face with one hand

vase I tried to reach my face with one hand

vase I tried to reach my face with one hand the gun was resting on

the gun was resting on

the gun was resting on the barrel I

the barrel I

the barrel I twisted from her

twisted from her

twisted from her grip she put her fingers in my

grip she put her fingers in my

grip she put her fingers in my eyes and I grabbed the gun and shot

behavior

behavior I carried her down to the tracks and threw it

I carried her down to the tracks and threw it

I carried her down to the tracks and threw it into

into

into the river this behavior had nothing

the river this behavior had nothing

the river this behavior had nothing

to do with humanity there is a landfill and a body is lying right next to it

to do with humanity there is a landfill and a body is lying right next to it

after his confession to the murders, the fleet went with him

after his confession to the murders, the fleet went with him to all these places by helicopter

to all these places by helicopter

to all these places by helicopter to locate them as best as possible

to locate them as best as possible

to locate them as best as possible at that time, but there was

at that time, but there was

at that time, but there was still enough

still enough

still enough snow everywhere, he marked the places so that he could return to them

snow everywhere, he marked the places so that he could return to them

snow everywhere, he marked the places so that he could return to them in the spring when the snow

melts, he was a joy without himself It seemed it was

exciting for him when they landed Hansen was

exciting for him when they landed Hansen was running around like a

running around like a

running around like a doe running towards the graves of his victims

doe running towards the graves of his victims

doe running towards the graves of his victims and the fleet was not even enough for him he didn't understand how he

and the fleet was not even enough for him he didn't understand how he

got through the snow when he got to forests in Alaska,

got through the snow when he got to forests in Alaska, they released the bodies, they had been lying in the ground for some time. I

remember the words of one of the

remember the words of one of the policemen who described to me how the hunt was

policemen who described to me how the hunt was

policemen who described to me how the hunt was overflowing with

overflowing with

overflowing with joy when they approached the places where he

joy when they approached the places where he

joy when they approached the places where he

buried the bodies, it was fun for him. He found

buried the bodies, it was fun for him. He found it exciting and really enjoyed it

October 27,

October 27, 1984 Robert Hon was sentenced in a

1984 Robert Hon was sentenced in a

1984 Robert Hon was sentenced in a state court. The

courtroom was full of

courtroom was full of relatives and friends of

relatives and friends of

relatives and friends of the girls he

Monster that extreme anomaly of a human

Monster that extreme anomaly of a human being He

was a Man who moved among us for

was a Man who moved among us for 17

17

17 years selling us donuts cakes and coffee with a

years selling us donuts cakes and coffee with a

years selling us donuts cakes and coffee with a nice

nice

nice smile his family

smile his family

smile his family supported him hiding under the mask of

supported him hiding under the mask of

supported him hiding under the mask of decency

decency

decency this hunter who displayed his

this hunter who displayed his

this hunter who displayed his trophies on the wall now has trophies scattered all

trophies on the wall now has trophies scattered all

trophies on the wall now has trophies scattered all over all of South Alaska

over all of South Alaska

over all of South Alaska And even if he doesn't want to admit it,

And even if he doesn't want to admit it,

And even if he doesn't want to admit it, how and where these women ended up, it's

how and where these women ended up, it's

how and where these women ended up, it's clear that he

clear that he

clear that he hunted them, first let them

hunted them, first let them

hunted them, first let them run and then he enjoyed hunting them

run and then he enjoyed hunting them

run and then he enjoyed hunting them like they were

game I honestly don't know how I

game I honestly don't know how I could

could

could describe it because I

describe it because I

describe it because I was very engrossed in this whole horror case

was very engrossed in this whole horror case

was very engrossed in this whole horror case and spent quite a

and spent quite a

and spent quite a long time with him as well as this

man for the murder of the sherry plague Paul

man for the murder of the sherry plague Paul Golding of Lennie ennie and joanna messin ve

Golding of Lennie ennie and joanna messin ve

Golding of Lennie ennie and joanna messin ve and for the kidnapping and rape of cindy paulson

and for the kidnapping and rape of cindy paulson

and for the kidnapping and rape of cindy paulson robert hansen was sentenced to 461 years in

robert hansen was sentenced to 461 years in

robert hansen was sentenced to 461 years in prison and life in prison as i was heading for

prison and life in prison as i was heading for

prison and life in prison as i was heading for the elevator trying to get to the front

the elevator trying to get to the front

the elevator trying to get to the front door she ran up to me a girl

door she ran up to me a girl

door she ran up to me a girl hugged me crying and

hugged me crying and

hugged me crying and saying thank you thank you

saying thank you thank you

saying thank you thank you thank you Turns out she was Cindy

thank you Turns out she was Cindy

thank you Turns out she was Cindy Paulson She

Paulson She

Paulson She managed to get off the street

managed to get off the street

managed to get off the street eating and sleeping regularly and looking like a brand

eating and sleeping regularly and looking like a brand

eating and sleeping regularly and looking like a brand new

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[Music] List We had to wait until April

List We had to wait until April

List We had to wait until April so that we could go out into the field and

so that we could go out into the field and

so that we could go out into the field and

experience, it is difficult to understand

experience, it is difficult to understand what those women went through

what those women went through

what those women went through when they were kidnapped by Hansen and finally

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[Music] murdered I can only imagine what the

murdered I can only imagine what the

murdered I can only imagine what the parents of these girls must be going through

when the human remains are found and

when the human remains are found and can be identified it will help

can be identified it will help

can be identified it will help bring some closure to the families but still the

bring some closure to the families but still the

bring some closure to the families but still the grief is stronger with the help of Hans's map

grief is stronger with the help of Hans's map

bodies were found by the Alaska State Police in April and May of 1984 Sometimes I wonder why I didn't fight

bodies were found by the Alaska State Police in April and May of 1984 Sometimes I wonder why I didn't fight more I should have gone to the commander and

more I should have gone to the commander and

more I should have gone to the commander and you know I did it in previous

you know I did it in previous

you know I did it in previous cases but not this time and so I'll

cases but not this time and so I'll

cases but not this time and so I'll carry it with me for the rest of my

life he keeps saying Why We could have

life he keeps saying Why We could have stopped him sooner if only someone had

stopped him sooner if only someone had

stopped him sooner if only someone had paid more attention to the missing girls

the system

the system failed which allowed him to

failed which allowed him to

failed which allowed him to exploit women comfortably for a very long

exploit women comfortably for a very long

exploit women comfortably for a very long time Robert Hanson died in prison in 2014 of

time Robert Hanson died in prison in 2014 of

time Robert Hanson died in prison in 2014 of natural causes at the age of 75 the

natural causes at the age of 75 the

natural causes at the age of 75 the other six victims whose murders

other six victims whose murders

other six victims whose murders Hensen confessed to have never been found or

Hensen confessed to have never been found or

Hensen confessed to have never been found or identified m