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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:38,600 Is yours working? 2 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,200 Mm hm. 3 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,800 All right, we're just gonna start easy. 4 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,200 Can you give me your name, age and where you're from? 5 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:56,400 Okay. 6 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,000 My name is Dwight Nixon. 7 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,000 I'm from Atlanta, Georgia. 8 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,600 I'm 37 years old. 9 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,000 And your wife? 10 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,600 My wife's name is Emily Nixon. 11 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,000 She's from Springfield, Tennessee. 12 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,800 We both are livin' here now. 13 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,400 Where's your wife now? 14 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,200 Emily went missin' 32 days ago. 15 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,200 Do you know what might've happened to her? 16 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,400 No, but I plan to find out. 17 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,800 Did you kill your wife? 18 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,400 My name is Kaiser Whitmore. 19 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,800 Me and my college classmate, Charlie Burris, 20 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,800 are film students in Nashville, Tennessee. 21 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,000 We read about the disappearance 22 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,600 - of Emily Nixon - Emily! 23 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,000 and her husband Dwight's ongoing search 24 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,800 for her while also remaining the primary suspect. 25 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,200 We thought it interesting enough, 26 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,000 so we inquired about doing this interview. 27 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,400 What we thought was gonna be a single day 28 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,600 of filming turned into much more than that. 29 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,400 Something more mysterious, 30 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:08,800 more unexplainable. 31 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,000 911, what's your emergency? 32 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,000 More sinister. 33 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:13,800 - Oh my God! - Oh God! 34 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,200 Get outta here. 35 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,600 - A few days after our initial interview, 36 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,200 Dwight agreed to walk us through the day Emily disappeared. 37 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:59,600 It happened on an 82 acre farm 38 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,000 in Springfield, Tennessee called Howard's Mill. 39 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000 Abandoned for nearly 50 years, 40 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,000 the land consists of mostly overgrown fields, 41 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,200 some small wooded areas and a large pond. 42 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:14,600 That much stuff? 43 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:15,800 Oh, he's here. 44 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,400 - Okay, okay. - Do you need help? 45 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,200 - No, I'm good, I'm good. 46 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,600 Hey, good to see you again. 47 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:24,400 Hey, how you doin'? 48 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:25,200 Good, how are you? 49 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:26,800 I'm all right. 50 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,200 - Well, thank you so much for coming. 51 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,000 Do you mind just walking us through that day, 52 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,600 beginning of the day up until her disappearance? 53 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:36,800 Yeah, sure. 54 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,800 Emily and I got here probably about 12:15. 55 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,000 Okay. 56 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:43,400 - We stopped by the nursing home. 57 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,800 Emily's mom is in the nursing home. 58 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,000 Oh, okay. 59 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,000 - And we made sure she got her meds 60 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,600 and talked with her for a minute, then we drove up here. 61 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:52,800 Yeah. 62 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,000 - What were you guys doing over here again? 63 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,000 Metal detector, 64 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:55,800 - metal- - That's right. 65 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:56,800 - Yeah. - Okay. 66 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,200 So, when you did bring him in 67 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,800 was there anything off about him? 68 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,800 Nothin' stuck out at first. 69 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,600 He had a good recollection of the day. 70 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,000 And what were you doin' on the property? 71 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,000 - My wife and I are amateur treasure hunters. 72 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,200 Do you ever find anything? 73 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,200 - No, it's just a way of spending time together. 74 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:20,600 So, we're up here. 75 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,600 We're metal detecting and then we decided, okay. 76 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,000 We decide we're gonna split off. 77 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,000 All right? 78 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,200 - So, I go- - Wait, y'all split off? 79 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,400 - When did you decide to go in different directions? 80 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,600 We didn't. 81 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,800 Well, I mean, it's what we do. 82 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,600 We walk in different directions 83 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,800 so we're not coverin' the same area. 84 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,000 - Kinda counter to spendin' time together wouldn't you say? 85 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,000 - And we always agree to meet at a certain, 86 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,600 meet at a middle point. 87 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,200 And so, we agreed to meet right over here, over that ridge. 88 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,200 Do you see way up there where that ridge is? 89 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,200 - Yeah. - Okay. 90 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:00,600 That's where we agreed to meet. 91 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,800 - When he started walkin' us through the routes 92 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,800 that he and his wife took around the property, 93 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,000 that's when his story began fallin' apart. 94 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,800 - So, you saw her the whole time? 95 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,200 - I saw her most of the time, yeah. 96 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,800 - Can you show me on the map, the area you covered? 97 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,600 - And if you look over this ridge here, 98 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,400 you really can't see down into that. 99 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,400 So, I figured that maybe she'll 100 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,000 come over the hill eventually. 101 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,400 So, I stop right about here in this little open space. 102 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,400 - And where we found a piece of Emily's metal detector? 103 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,800 - And I feel somethin' under my foot. 104 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:44,800 - Did the police come here 105 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,000 and meet you here? 106 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,600 Yes, yes. 107 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,800 They couldn't find anything, I couldn't find anything. 108 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,400 While searching the property, 109 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:56,800 police discovered Emily's phone. 110 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,600 The following footage 111 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,000 was the last thing Emily recorded 112 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,000 just moments before her disappearance. 113 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,400 - I'm gettin' a strong kick here. 114 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,000 It seems to be about six inches down. 115 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,800 What do we have here? 116 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,800 Dwight's gonna be so mad. 117 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,400 He never really finds anything. 118 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,000 I'm not sure what it is right now 119 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,800 but it seems kind of heavy and metallic. 120 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,000 I'm gonna have to get it home to wash it off. 121 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,400 Emily was born in Springfield, Tennessee. 122 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:59,200 What are y'all posin' for? 123 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:00,800 This is a movie camera. 124 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,200 Her dad died when she was six months old. 125 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,000 - They can't bring no camera with you. 126 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,200 So, she was raised by her mom. 127 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,000 Just she and her mom. 128 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,200 - I've known Emily since we were kids. 129 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:20,400 We grew up together. 130 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:21,600 We had lots of classes together 131 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,000 and we just became best friends. 132 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,200 - We've been best friends since junior high. 133 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,400 She was always happy. 134 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:27,800 She always had a smile. 135 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,000 - She was sweet, kindhearted and hilarious. 136 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,800 - Beautiful personality, liked by everyone. 137 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,400 - This town has always been really fun for us. 138 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,400 We hung out, we got our own little places 139 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,400 that we love to go and we spend a ton 140 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,200 of time just runnin' around and bein' goofy girls. 141 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,800 Emily and I met in 2011. 142 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,600 When he got with Emily, 143 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,800 it's like his whole life just changed. 144 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,400 Hi. 145 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:58,400 Isn't she cute? 146 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:59,200 He loved Emily. 147 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,800 He'd just do anything for Emily. 148 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,400 Happy birthday 149 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,800 - It felt really quick, like pretty quick for her. 150 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,200 I mean, that was a unique situation. 151 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,400 I wasn't used to her responding so quickly. 152 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,000 - It was fast, but he just fell head 153 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,200 over heels in love with her. 154 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,800 We got married in 2013. 155 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,800 So, Dwight just got to Springfield, Tennessee. 156 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,000 You ready for your first pair of overalls? 157 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,800 - What'd you think we didn't have 'em Atlanta in the 1990s? 158 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:44,800 I just hope you don't care 159 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,800 if I have one strap on with no shirt... 160 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,000 - Oo yeah! - Oh, whatever. 161 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,400 Well, I think you're gonna love living here. 162 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,400 It's a great place to raise a family. 163 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:58,800 So, you're ready for a family? 164 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,400 Hm, maybe. 165 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,200 - Robertson County was founded in 1796 166 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,000 the same year the state of Tennessee was established. 167 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,800 It is a small town, but we do have a lot of history. 168 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,600 We have tobacco, we have the whiskey industry. 169 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,400 It's a wonderful place to live. 170 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,600 Been here all my life, so far. 171 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,800 - I feel like everyone's family here. 172 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,600 - That Eagle was picking up baby pigs, 173 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,400 and so it had to be killed. 174 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,800 Did you ever regret moving here? 175 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,400 No, not at all. 176 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:23,400 - I don't- - Even if it means 177 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:24,600 you never see Emily again? 178 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,000 - No, I don't regret moving here and I definitely 179 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,400 don't blame moving here for Emily's disappearance. 180 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,800 Is it possible that Emily just left on her own? 181 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:36,800 Absolutely not. 182 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,200 She wouldn't just leave. 183 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,200 - There was somethin' about Emily's disappearance 184 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,600 that never seemed right to me. 185 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,200 The clues weren't there. 186 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,200 In my experience, when somebody goes missing, 187 00:10:58,200 --> 00:10:59,200 there's always a clue. 188 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:00,400 We had nothin' to go on. 189 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,600 She just flat disappeared. 190 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,600 He was the last person to see her. 191 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,400 That's going to obviously put him 192 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,800 at a higher level of suspicion. 193 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:14,200 Do you think her husband 194 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:15,600 had something to do with it? 195 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,200 - Man, I hate to speculate on stuff like that. 196 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,000 - When this case with she'd been gone a month, 197 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,600 I would likely expect to find 198 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,400 a body instead of a living person. 199 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,600 - Course everybody's got an angle. 200 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,000 Who you gonna believe? 201 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,600 Were there any problems in your marriage problems? 202 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,200 - No, we didn't have any problems. 203 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,200 Not any different than any other couple. 204 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,000 Any major fights recently? 205 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:50,200 No. 206 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,800 Why are you harassin' me? 207 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:54,800 - Why do you think I had lunch with you? 208 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,000 - Last chance. - You're crazy. 209 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,400 Do you recall that argument? 210 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:03,600 Yes. 211 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,600 - We were able to uncover a bit more evidence 212 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,600 about the relationship between Mr and Mrs. Nixon. 213 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,000 - Sometimes people are drunk and they fight, 214 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,600 and she'd spend some time with me when she felt 215 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,000 like she needed to let him cool off. 216 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,200 He would never physically hurt her, would he? 217 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,400 - Absolutely not, absolutely not. 218 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,000 He was not brought up around violence at all. 219 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,600 He comes from a family where 220 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,400 the women were very well respected 221 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:38,200 and that's just something totally against his nature. 222 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,800 - I warned her that it could possibly 223 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,200 be on the verge of actually turning violent. 224 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,400 - Even if you get angry with them, you walk away. 225 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,200 Detective Latta believes you killed your wife. 226 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:03,600 Of course he does. 227 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,800 But what you should concern yourself 228 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,600 with is what he's not sayin'. 229 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:12,800 This has happened before, 230 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,600 right there on that same property. 231 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,400 - People still say things happen around here all the time. 232 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,000 You can ask anybody in the community 233 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,800 and they've had some story or odd occurrence out here. 234 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,200 It's kind of a local novelty. 235 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,800 Kids talk about the place and they dare 236 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,800 their buddies to go over there and walk around or whatever. 237 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,000 We went there one time, we'll never go back. 238 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,200 - Our friend went in and he didn't come out for 15 minutes, 239 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,400 and when he came out, he was crying. 240 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:00,600 - As soon as we pulled out my truck 241 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,000 just went, 242 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,800 started givin' out and he said he saw somethin', 243 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,200 in my headlights. 244 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:07,600 He said he saw some woman or somethin'. 245 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:08,800 - I'm pretty sure it's like a ghost 246 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,800 because it was moving slightly. 247 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,400 And I don't believe in no supernatural 248 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,200 but I did run, so. 249 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,200 I look up and there's like, 250 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,000 just this silver thing just sittin' in the sky. 251 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,400 And I was like, that's kinda weird. 252 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:28,800 Yeah, I've seen some lights. 253 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,800 And all this whole area, 254 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:35,400 this whole county is known to have odd events happen. 255 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,800 It could definitely be the reason you have strange events 256 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,200 and occurrences on the Howard's property. 257 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,800 All this property was sacred hunting ground to the Indians. 258 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,600 So, they supposedly protected this property 259 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,800 by way of blessing these rocks and the graves. 260 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,000 So, incidentally I don't mess with graves out here 261 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,400 because I don't wanna start it again, whatever it was. 262 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,400 This has happened before, 263 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,200 right there on that same property. 264 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:07,400 What do you mean? 265 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:08,400 Who'd this happen to? 266 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,000 When? 267 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,800 In 1994, a little girl named Sarah Winston disappeared. 268 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,400 Just vanished right there at Howard's Mill. 269 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,400 Did you feed some chips to the birds? 270 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,400 Yeah, did you see that blue heron? 271 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,000 Want another sandwich, baby? 272 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,200 No, I'm cool. 273 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,400 Are you saving room for cake? 274 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:40,400 Yeah. 275 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:41,600 I am, too. 276 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,200 Chocolate cake. 277 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:44,200 I love you, baby. 278 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:45,200 I love you too. 279 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,400 - Mwah. - You want a sandwich? 280 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:47,600 No, no thank you, I'm good. 281 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:48,800 - You don't want- - I'm gonna go play. 282 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,000 - Be careful up there. - Love you, Dad. 283 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,200 All right, love you too. 284 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,000 - You didn't like that she didn't stay. 285 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:53,000 I don't think I do. 286 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:55,800 Look how fast she's runnin' in those boots. 287 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:56,800 She's running now. 288 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,800 Sarah? 289 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,800 Sarah, are you okay? 290 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:03,800 She's playin' around. 291 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,200 I don't see her. 292 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:06,800 Well, hold on. 293 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:07,600 Sarah? 294 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,600 Sarah? 295 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:10,800 Honey, 296 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,000 - go see what happened. - Sarah? 297 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,000 Come on now. 298 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,000 Sarah? 299 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:18,800 Sarah? 300 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:19,800 Sarah? 301 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,000 Don't see her? 302 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:22,600 Sarah! 303 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:23,400 Sarah? 304 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:24,400 Sarah! 305 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:25,400 Good Lord! 306 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:26,200 Where'd she go? 307 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,200 Sarah! 308 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:28,200 Sarah? 309 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,600 Sarah? 310 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,200 Sarah? 311 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,400 Oh my God. 312 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:35,600 Oh my God, 313 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:36,400 - where did she go? - Sarah? 314 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,200 Sarah! 315 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:39,400 Sarah! 316 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:42,800 Sarah! 317 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,200 We were able to track down 318 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,200 the lead investigator from the Sarah Winston disappearance, 319 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,800 retired Detective, Dan Thompson. 320 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,600 So, you worked the Sarah Winston case? 321 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,600 - Yes, I did and it was real tragic, that one. 322 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,200 - Well, what do you remember about it? 323 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,800 Oh, I remember everything. 324 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,000 Everything. 325 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,400 She went missing practically right 326 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,200 in front of her parents, broad daylight. 327 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:13,200 Hm. 328 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:14,800 Yeah, that was a strange case. 329 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,400 There was an open field. 330 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,800 They were out, nobody around and next thing you know, gone. 331 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,000 Nowhere to hide, nobody anywhere around, nothin'. 332 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:24,800 No sounds. 333 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:26,600 Very strange. 334 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,000 What do you think happened? 335 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,000 I'm not sure. 336 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,000 That case was never solved, 337 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,000 so never found an end to it. 338 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,200 We found an address for Roger Winston 339 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,600 just outside Bowling Green, Kentucky. 340 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,600 All right. 341 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,200 Ah, is that it? 342 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:54,200 Yeah, this is it. 343 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,600 - Okay. - Let's go. 344 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,200 It was a Saturday. 345 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,200 We were celebratin' her 10th birthday 346 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,200 off of Old State Highway 41. 347 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:11,600 The Howard place? 348 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,600 - We just treated it like a park. 349 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,200 Nobody bothered us there. 350 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,200 She liked to run around. 351 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,400 Did you see that blue heron? 352 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,000 She was the happiest kid I ever saw. 353 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,600 I love you, Dad. 354 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,200 And you didn't see anyone else around? 355 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,000 Nah, it's just us. 356 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,600 Then after, I ran up there. 357 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,600 Hey, baby, come on! 358 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:50,400 Tryin' to find her and, 359 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:51,800 Sarah! 360 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,000 See if she was okay and... 361 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,400 Sarah! 362 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:55,200 Sarah? 363 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,200 Sarah? 364 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:57,000 She wasn't there. 365 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,600 Vanished. 366 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,400 Just poof, she's gone. 367 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,200 Gone. 368 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,000 - Roger, to say he went to pieces is an understatement. 369 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,400 After she went missin', 370 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:33,400 he just totally, just lost his self, lost everything. 371 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,200 It was like all the life had been taken out of him. 372 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,000 - He started havin' to deal with that grief 373 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,600 and the way that he chose to deal with it was an addiction. 374 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:47,600 It ruined his family and you can't really reason 375 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,200 with somebody when they're in such a depression. 376 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,000 It hits you the way it hits you. 377 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,400 If you think about it we're all 378 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,400 one missing kid away from being a crazy person. 379 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,400 - Then he started chasing all these theories. 380 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,400 - He's not the person I knew back before this happened. 381 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:17,200 - How can you say goodbye when they're still out there? 382 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,200 After she was gone, I went back everyday, 383 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,400 and then every Saturday, 384 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,200 and then once a year on the day it happened. 385 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:44,200 One year I went and it was 2004, 386 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,200 and I got there and it was already dark out. 387 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,600 It was sunset but it was dark. 388 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,400 And it looked different, yeah. 389 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:07,000 Somebody put a pond in almost exactly 390 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,200 on the spot where Sarah... 391 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,400 Sarah! 392 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,600 There was somethin' floatin' in it. 393 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:37,800 I found this there that night. 394 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,600 It was wet, but it was spotless. 395 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,400 Just like the day she made it. 396 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,800 There's no way this was laying in the dirt, 397 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,600 floatin' in that pond for 10 years. 398 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,800 So what do you think happened? 399 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,800 - I think she was tryin' to come home. 400 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,200 Come home from where? 401 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,800 Sarah in 1994. 402 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,400 Emily in 2017. 403 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,800 Two disappearances so similar, but over 20 years apart. 404 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,200 Are they connected or just coincidental tragedies? 405 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,000 That's 'cause she's not dead. 406 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,400 She's still out there. 407 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,000 You wife might be, too. 408 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,800 We needed a lead to connect Emily and Sarah. 409 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,200 Something real, someone. 410 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,600 The day that Emily went missing, 411 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,000 why didn't you immediately call the police? 412 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,800 - I don't know, I did what anyone else would. 413 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,600 I started yellin' for her. 414 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,000 I called her cell phone. 415 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,400 That took some time. 416 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,200 Three hours? 417 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,400 - I mean, look, it took at least 10 minutes goin' back 418 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,000 and forth to the car. 419 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,800 Then goin' through the woods was like another hour. 420 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,400 I wasn't thinkin' about time. 421 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,400 What do we have here? 422 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,400 Can I show you something? 423 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,400 Do you see that? 424 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,000 There's someone in the background. 425 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,000 Why am I just seein' this? 426 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,200 Because we thought it could be you. 427 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,800 That's not me. 428 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,000 That's Wayne. 429 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:56,600 For the first time 430 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,400 since we began our documentary, 431 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,400 we had a suspect other than Dwight. 432 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,400 The Ritchie farm borders to Howard's property to the west, 433 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,400 giving Wayne the most direct access 434 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,000 to Howard's Mill than any of the other neighbors. 435 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,200 Yeah, I know Wayne. 436 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,400 He's kinda keeps to himself. 437 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,400 He doesn't do much socializing or nothin'. 438 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,400 - He's just one of those guys that, 439 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,800 he's kind of like the town eccentric. 440 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,600 Just kinda odd, kinda like the rest of us. 441 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,200 But anyhow. 442 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,600 You see him sometimes with, 443 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,200 he's got a rabbit in his hand that he got on the road. 444 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,400 I don't know what he does with it. 445 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:37,800 No. 446 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,400 His job is pickin' up roadkill for the county. 447 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:41,800 Somebody gotta do it. 448 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,600 - I know when my kids were little, 449 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,600 I used to go to like the food store and the toy store, 450 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,800 he'd be buyin' like all this baby food. 451 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,000 - Heard a story about him awhile back, 452 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,000 that he, he's kinda off. 453 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,200 So his momma, he wanted the money from his momma 454 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,400 and she told him to go rob a bank. 455 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,800 Well, he goes up here and robs the bank 456 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,600 and he ain't gonna hurt nobody. 457 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,600 But he said, "I'm here to get some money. 458 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,600 My momma told me to come get some money from y'all. 459 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:05,600 I'm here to rob a bank." 460 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,000 - I think Wayne's life was probably pretty tough at home. 461 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,200 I think his dad was pretty rough on him 462 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,600 and his dad was a no nonsense kinda guy, 463 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,800 a hard workin' man, hard drinkin' guy 464 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,600 and I think Wayne was scared to death of him. 465 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,000 And to be honest with you, 466 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,400 I probably was a little bit too. 467 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,000 Were you scared of Wayne at all? 468 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,000 No, no. 469 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,400 I don't think he's dangerous. 470 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,200 I think he's just kind of a loner. 471 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,400 - Most people just leave him alone, leave him be because- 472 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,400 - He'd probably run 'em off anyway. 473 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:40,200 He probably would. 474 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,200 - He was- - That's the way 475 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,000 his family's always been. 476 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,400 - There's been a lot of kids going to that house. 477 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,000 Like we would normally like ride four wheelers 478 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,600 down our road and stuff and we never do that anymore. 479 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,000 He has threatened to kill me and my neighbor. 480 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,600 - Well, he kinda takes care of it. 481 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,200 Used to be a farm several years ago 482 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,200 but it kinda died out. 483 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,600 Now he just does some mowin' and things like that. 484 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,600 - Well, I don't know why he's mowing that lawn 485 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,600 when the Howard's left decades ago. 486 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,800 - Why would anybody do that? - I don't know but he had, 487 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,000 the Howard's ain't comin' back. 488 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,600 - Before he kinda tried to kidnap a girl 489 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,200 I think is the way that it turned out to be. 490 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,600 We all just kinda thought that he was strange. 491 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,000 - He gave this girl a ride home from school. 492 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,600 He didn't stop at her house. 493 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,800 He just kept going and she was gone for a whole hour. 494 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,400 Is Wayne a suspect? 495 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,800 Wayne's slow. 496 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,000 He's always been slow. 497 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,600 He likes to keep to himself which upsets some people. 498 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,200 Kidnappin'? 499 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,000 No. 500 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,200 Wayne Ritchie didn't kidnap anybody. 501 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,600 But what about Terra Edwards? 502 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,400 Although Wayne Ritchie was nearby 503 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,200 during the disappearance of Emily Nixon and Sarah Winston, 504 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,200 we wrote him off as a harmless misunderstood recluse. 505 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,400 But then we learned about Terra Edwards. 506 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,400 Yeah, I was 14. 507 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:30,800 We all thought he was harmless. 508 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,400 One day he said he'd take me home. 509 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,400 But he just drove right past my neighborhood. 510 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,000 - Apparently Mr. Ritchie had gone to the school 511 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,400 in his car and my daughter doesn't have a car to drive. 512 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,400 So, offered her a ride home. 513 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,600 They drove towards the house and when she said, 514 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,800 "This is my house, 515 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,000 just let me off in front of the house," 516 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,000 he kept driving. 517 00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,800 Next thing I remember, 518 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,600 I mean, I just started screaming, freaking out. 519 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,800 Next stop sign I jump outta the car, run home, tell my dad. 520 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,200 I could see right away. 521 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,800 I knew somethin' was wrong. 522 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:11,800 I called the cops. 523 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,800 - Oh, I remember Wayne Ritchie very well. 524 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,600 It was my second year as a teacher. 525 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,200 Wayne was not a very good student 526 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,200 and his heart wasn't in it, 527 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,200 never really got in a whole lot of trouble. 528 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,400 He just didn't do much while he was here. 529 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,800 - Obviously he has somethin' wrong. 530 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,800 - It was a little awkward because he would come. 531 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,400 He was not a student here, 532 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,800 but he would come up and even enter the building at times. 533 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,400 So we ran him off on a number of occasions. 534 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,000 - I didn't think taking a ride with them was a big deal, 535 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,600 until he had that look that, I mean, it was just blank. 536 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:55,800 There was nothing there. 537 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,800 - I think it was just a big infatuation on his part 538 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,200 that had gotten to a point 539 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,200 that it was probably not healthy anymore. 540 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,800 I never thought he was capable 541 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,000 of hurting someone until that day. 542 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,000 His intentions weren't good. 543 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,400 - Now, Wayne, he did have an uncle 544 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,600 or a cousin that was on the police force, 545 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:21,800 tried to make it look like it 546 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,000 was an innocent misunderstanding. 547 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,400 Of course, it went away 548 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,400 and Terra's dad was pretty upset about that. 549 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,600 - What I remember what the cops did was nothing. 550 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,200 I mean, with Emily and Sarah Winston 551 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,000 both missin' so close to his property, 552 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,200 that's just too much of a coincidence. 553 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:45,600 So yeah, you're damn right, 554 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,000 I wanna talk to Wayne Ritchie. 555 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,600 Mr. Ritchie, do you have a minute? 556 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,000 No, I got nothin' to say, so. 557 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,200 The Lopez's? 558 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,400 Wait, wait, wait! 559 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,600 - I can't talk right now. - No, no, just, 560 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,200 I gotta go. 561 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,400 Leave me alone. 562 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,000 Did you get that? 563 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,600 Wayne's mention of the Lopez's led us 564 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,400 to a third missing persons case connected 565 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,200 to the Howard's property. 566 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,200 In 1977 a family of migrant workers vanished, 567 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,600 leaving behind their nine-year-old son, Daniel. 568 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,800 My uncle cried out. 569 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,400 I looked up and he was gone. 570 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,800 Then my father, he fell, 571 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,400 dropped straight to the ground. 572 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,600 He was reachin' up for my mother's dress 573 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,800 when he was goin' down and then she was gone, too. 574 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,000 Are you familiar with the Lopez's? 575 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,600 No, I don't believe so. 576 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,800 - In the '70s they started entering migrant workers 577 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,400 here to work the tobacco field 'cause they couldn't 578 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,800 get other people to work. 579 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,600 - The Howard's had foreign farm hands 580 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,600 come in before anybody else did. 581 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,600 - He used a lot of 'em, Mr. Howard. 582 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,800 He used a lot of 'em throughout the years. 583 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,400 You remember the Lopez case? 584 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,000 Mm hm, yeah. 585 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,200 They left a abandoned little boy, I think. 586 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,600 Left a little boy at 10 years old, 587 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,200 nine years old, somethin' like that. 588 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,800 - His family went missin' and we took them in for awhile 589 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,000 and we were hopin' that his family would come back 590 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,800 but they never did. 591 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,000 The county came and got him and sent him back to Illinois. 592 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,400 It's really sad though, 593 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,000 that his family left him like that. 594 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,200 - I just had a hard time believin' 595 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,000 that they ever would abandon their son. 596 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,200 They were such a tight knit family. 597 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,200 - Do you have a case file I could look at? 598 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:37,800 I don't, no. 599 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,000 That was Jennings case and he's passed on now. 600 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000 So, I'm sure there's something in the archive. 601 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:42,800 We can go look it up. 602 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,400 I'm Helen Jennings. 603 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,600 David Jennings was my husband. 604 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,200 What did he do? 605 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,400 - He was on the police force here in Springfield. 606 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,800 He was on the force, gosh, for 40 years plus 607 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,000 and he was promoted to detective in '69, 1969, I think. 608 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,600 Is there a lot of detective work in this town? 609 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,200 It seems pretty quiet. 610 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,200 - Well, it does, but you'd be surprised. 611 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,400 We had a lot of crime here, including murders. 612 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,200 Any cases that stood out in particular? 613 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,800 Oh yes, absolutely. 614 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,200 It was the Lopez case. 615 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,000 It just got under his skin more 616 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,600 than anything else he ever worked on. 617 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,600 They never found any trace of the family, 618 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,800 they left everything behind. 619 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,400 The boy even said, "They disappeared into the earth." 620 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,400 Did he believe Daniel's story 621 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,400 about being sucked into the earth? 622 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,600 - He believed there was a logical explanation to it. 623 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,200 He investigated sinkholes, earthquakes, 624 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,800 anything that he could find 625 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,000 that would prove the boy's story, 626 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,600 but sad as it was, the Lopez family abandoned Daniel. 627 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,200 We were able to track down Daniel Lopez, 628 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,400 who is now living in Raleigh, North Carolina. 629 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,200 Daniel? 630 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,200 - Yes. - Hey, Dwight. 631 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,600 Hey, how you doin'? 632 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:28,800 - This is Kaiser - Kaiser, nice to meet you. 633 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,000 - and Charlie. - Pleasure, pleasure. 634 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,800 - How's it goin'? - You ready to talk? 635 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:32,600 Yeah, yeah. 636 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:33,400 Come on in. 637 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,600 All right. 638 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:35,600 Come on. 639 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:41,400 Let's start with you tellin' 640 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,000 us who your parents were. 641 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,800 My parents were migrants. 642 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,000 We all traveled together. 643 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,200 - So what brought you and your family to Howard's Mill? 644 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,400 - Howard's Mill was a big tobacco farm. 645 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,800 We spent many months there. 646 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,000 - Do you remember a man named Wayne Ritchie? 647 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,400 He lived nearby. 648 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,000 We spent some time together. 649 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,800 We didn't have much in common, 650 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,400 but neither of us really was around other kids. 651 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,600 - Tell us about the, what you remember 652 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,000 about the day your family disappeared. 653 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,600 It was late afternoon. 654 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:15,600 I was about, 655 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000 20 steps from the old barn. 656 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,400 My family was out in the fields, loading up the pickup truck 657 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:26,600 with the day's crop. 658 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,000 Can you describe that field? 659 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,000 - It was directly behind the house. 660 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,400 The ground dipped down 661 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,600 and started to spring right back up into a ridge. 662 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,400 They were about halfway up the hill, 663 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,600 maybe about 100 to 150 yards from the house. 664 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,200 My uncle cried out. 665 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,800 I looked up and he was gone. 666 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,800 Then my father, 667 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,800 he fell, dropped straight to the ground. 668 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,400 - He- - You remember it that well? 669 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,200 - Yeah, you can't forget something like that. 670 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,800 I got scared, so I ran. 671 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,200 Went back to the last spot where I saw my family. 672 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,600 After awhile, a police officer came and got me. 673 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,000 I'm gonna show you something. 674 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,800 This video was taken in 1994. 675 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,600 I'm gonna go play. 676 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,800 All right honey, love you. 677 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,000 - Be careful up there. - Love you, Dad. 678 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,000 All right, love you too. 679 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:38,800 You didn't like 680 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:39,600 that she didn't stay. 681 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,600 I don't think I do. 682 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,000 Look how far she's running in her boots. 683 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,000 Oh my goodness, honey. 684 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,000 Birthday boots. 685 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,200 - She's fast. - Whoops. 686 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,200 Yeah, yes. 687 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,000 That's exactly what happened. 688 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,600 Her name is Sarah Winston. 689 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,400 Okay. 690 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,000 Daniel, she's still missing. 691 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,400 Nothing was ever found except 692 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:04,800 for that pink and white hair bow 693 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,200 that you can see in the recording. 694 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,000 That same hair bow was found 10 years later, 695 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,200 floating in a pond that was built 696 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,000 on the site of her disappearance. 697 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,200 - So, Dwight is out there marking a location 698 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,600 where the Lopez's were working, 699 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:32,400 and we're about 20 steps from the old barn, 700 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,200 which would put Daniel right here. 701 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,800 Hey, how's it goin' out there? 702 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,800 - Well, based on Daniel's account, 703 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,200 this is the spot where the family disappeared. 704 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,600 The family was gathering supplies right here 705 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,200 where I'm standing and guy's, 706 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,800 looking around I don't see any obstacles 707 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,200 or anything that you can hop on. 708 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:57,800 So, how fast do you think it would take to get 709 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,200 to the tree line right behind you? 710 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,200 - Well, I mean, if you were running really fast, 711 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,400 maybe 20, 30 seconds. 712 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,800 So, if Daniel looked down for a second 713 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,000 they could have easily ran towards those trees. 714 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,400 - I mean, it's possible, but there are plenty 715 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,600 of easier ways of abandoning your kid than just waiting 716 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,200 for him to look down and then running to some trees. 717 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:20,800 Yeah, he's right. 718 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,400 Emily disappeared here. 719 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,600 - And Lopez's over there up that ridge about 100 yards. 720 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,800 - Yeah, and then Sarah Winston disappeared 721 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,400 over this region, near the pond. 722 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,800 We're talkin' three different disappearances, 723 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,600 all on the same property. 724 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:39,800 To get a better idea 725 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,600 of the geological layout of Howard's Mill, 726 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,200 we visited the Robertson County Archives. 727 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,000 - We've got all their names on the back side. 728 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,800 - Okay. - Yes. 729 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,800 Okay, so Howard's Mill should be there. 730 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,800 Wow. 731 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,800 - So that bounds up to Highway 11 and mile marker 42. 732 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,400 Hm, that is really interesting. 733 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,000 You notice it's a triangular piece of property. 734 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,400 You seldom ever find triangular pieces 735 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,200 of property like that one anymore. 736 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,400 Yeah, I see that. 737 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,400 Are there any other properties 738 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,800 like that here in Springfield? 739 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,600 I doubt it. 740 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,800 - Originally, it was Pickett's Mill. 741 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,200 It was named after John Pickett 742 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,400 who was the man who built it. 743 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,400 John was born in Virginia 744 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,200 and he and Thomas Kilgore 745 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,400 established Cross Plains, Tennessee near the Red River. 746 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:51,400 About three years after that, John and his wife, Hannah, 747 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,400 moved three miles to the east and built the mill. 748 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,400 In 1971, the Howard's came into town 749 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,000 from St. Louis and they bought 750 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,800 the mill from one Marty Lewis. 751 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,800 That's L-E-W-I-S Lewis. 752 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:10,000 And she was a direct descendant of the Pickett family. 753 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,400 Are you aware of any disappearances 754 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,400 that have happened on the property? 755 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,400 You mean, Grant Pickett? 756 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,800 Grant Pickett vanished in plain sight of his family. 757 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,200 Story goes that he was working in his field 758 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,600 and his son who was climbing a tree fell out 759 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,600 of the tree and broke his arm and he started screaming. 760 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,800 So, Grant goes running toward his son and his wife, Mary, 761 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,000 who was in the house, goes running as well. 762 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,400 Mary is closer. 763 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,200 She gets to the boy first and as Grant Pickett 764 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,000 is running toward his wife and screaming child, he vanished. 765 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,400 Never heard from again. 766 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:50,600 Do you believe this story? 767 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,000 - So this book should contain the current deed 768 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,200 for Ms. Rebecca Howard. 769 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,800 All right, here we go. 770 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,400 So, it is currently Rebecca Howard's property 771 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,000 to do with her as she places. 772 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,600 Now, I've heard a rumor that Ms. Rebecca wrote a will 773 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,000 and that it says that she's given 774 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,800 this land to the city at her death. 775 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,600 - So, the city has no jurisdiction over the land? 776 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,800 - That is owned by Rebecca Howard, period. 777 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:45,600 You got it? 778 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:46,400 Good. 779 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,400 Heck yeah. 780 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,200 All right, thank you. 781 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,400 Got something here. 782 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:58,600 Be careful. 783 00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,600 - A lot of glass. - What is that? 784 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:00,600 Yeah. 785 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,000 It's the Howards. 786 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,400 You guys see this door? 787 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,600 It locks from the outside. 788 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,200 We've got some kids' clothes over here. 789 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,200 I thought the Howard's didn't have any kids. 790 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,200 - I thought they didn't have any kids either. 791 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,600 Again, here we are. 792 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,200 Same thing. 793 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,600 Lock is on the outside of the door. 794 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,800 Oh, God, it's a door. 795 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,200 Gives me the creeps. 796 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,600 Wait a minute, wait a minute. 797 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:30,400 I got somethin'. 798 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:31,600 What? 799 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,400 What is this? 800 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,000 A box? 801 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,200 It's like a music box. 802 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,000 Then I've got a box here. 803 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,000 Wait, wait, I got somethin'. 804 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,000 - Pictures. - It's pictures. 805 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,600 It's a little girl. 806 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,000 Who is she? 807 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,000 I don't know. 808 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,200 I thought the Howard's didn't have any kids? 809 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,200 I thought they didn't have any kids either. 810 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,200 - I don't remember the Howard's having any kids. 811 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:43,200 - Yeah, I think they did have some kids, a boy I believe. 812 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,600 But again, they had a lot of farm hands over there. 813 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,200 So, it could've been one of them. 814 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,400 - I can remember one time my old truck broke down 815 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,400 out close to their farm, 816 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,600 and they were nice and kind enough 817 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,400 to let me use their phone 818 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,400 and I think I remember a girl 819 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,800 bein' there but I don't recall 820 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,600 them ever mentionin' her name or anything. 821 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,400 Like I said, that was back in the '70s. 822 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:13,800 - I know I wasn't, I wasn't able to find 823 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,000 any records that the Howard's had a baby. 824 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,400 Given this is a rural area, 825 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:18,800 it's pretty common that a lot of people 826 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,600 had children at home. 827 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,800 After trying to reach Rebecca Howard by Phone, 828 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,000 we decided to make the drive 829 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,400 to St. Louis to see her in person. 830 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,200 - So, the Howard's had a kid also went missin', 831 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,400 or at least nobody can find him. 832 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,600 So, what does that mean? 833 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,000 - I don't know what that means for Emily yet, 834 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,600 but between Sarah, the Lopez's and this, 835 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,800 it makes me wonder how big this thing can get. 836 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,600 After the Lopez incident, 837 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,400 the house didn't feel like home anymore. 838 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,400 It felt cold, soulless. 839 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,400 I started feelin' like people were watchin' me. 840 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,200 There's been a recurrent theme 841 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,600 in a lot of the sightings in the area 842 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,400 from people who really have no contact with one another 843 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,600 and that is of these tall, slender figures who are watching. 844 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,800 They call 'em the Watchers. 845 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,800 People have seen them on the perimeter of their fields. 846 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,000 People have seen them in their barns, in the haylofts. 847 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,000 - They were all lined up on the horizon. 848 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,400 I called Glynis a miracle. 849 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,200 We tried for 15 years, prayed. 850 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,400 I was nearly 40 when I found out I was expecting. 851 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,200 She was playin' like she always was. 852 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,000 I went down to tell her supper was ready. 853 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,000 It seemed like she was talkin' to someone 854 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,400 but there wasn't anyone there. 855 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,000 Just before I got to her, the lights went out. 856 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:31,000 But then there was this sort of different light. 857 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,200 I yelled for her. 858 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,600 They were tellin' me to leave, 859 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,400 like that land was theirs, not mind. 860 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,400 I thought if I did what they said, 861 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,000 they'd bring her back to me. 862 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,800 So in 1988, a young girl was found wandering 863 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,400 outside the Howard's property. 864 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,000 Right. 865 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,800 She was claiming that she was Glynis Howard. 866 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,000 Do you remember that case? 867 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,200 I remember the case. 868 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,600 Now, it wasn't my case, but I do remember it. 869 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,800 It was pretty standard, really. 870 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,600 A missing girl. 871 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,000 It's a shame though, nobody came claimin' her. 872 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,000 - No one here now was here back then 873 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,200 but I was able to find a little info for you. 874 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,600 We have anywhere from 10 to 15 kids here at a time. 875 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,800 Glynis was here for two months. 876 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,800 She came with a kind of a sad story back in 1988. 877 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,800 Didn't know much about herself 878 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,800 and our records show she didn't talk much. 879 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,200 Someone found her walkin' down the road barefoot 880 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:07,200 and nobody had reported any missing children at the time 881 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,000 and nobody came forward to claim her 882 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,000 and she did say her name was Glynis Howard. 883 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,800 - We checked out the Howard's house. 884 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,000 It was about a mile 885 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,600 from where the girl was picked up at there, 886 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,600 and they hadn't been there, 887 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,800 I guess probably 10 years at that point. 888 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,400 So, I mean, it's common enough, last name Howard, but no. 889 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,800 Oh, yeah. 890 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,200 Yeah, I remember that. 891 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,600 Real sad story. 892 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,800 Got a call about a kid walking down the street alone, 893 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,600 pulled up in my car, checked her out. 894 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,600 She was in really bad shape, barefoot, unkempt hair, 895 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,600 looked like she hadn't eaten in a week. 896 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,200 Do you know if she was related 897 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,800 to anybody in town? 898 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:54,600 Nothing. 899 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,600 Nobody reported anybody missing. 900 00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,800 Not much more I could do beyond that. 901 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,800 - The last time we heard anything about Glynis, 902 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,000 she had been placed with a good foster family 903 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,400 and they decided to give her a permanent home. 904 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,200 This story had a very happy ending. 905 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,800 Well, I only can give 906 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,400 you what's non-confidential information. 907 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,200 She was in our care facility for a short amount of time 908 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:23,600 and then she was placed 909 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,800 with a foster family by the name of Lasseter. 910 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,600 Okay, here's what we know. 911 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,600 In 1979, the Howard's left Springfield 912 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,600 and according to everyone who remembers, 913 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,200 that house remained empty ever since. 914 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,600 Then in 1988 this little girl shows up claimin' 915 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:41,800 her last name is Howard, 916 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,400 but the Howard's didn't have any kids. 917 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,000 And if they did have a daughter, she would have to be what? 918 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,000 11, 12 years old by 1988. 919 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,800 So, the dates just don't add up. 920 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,000 I mean, if this really is the Howard's daughter. 921 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,800 - I say we find her, ask her some more questions. 922 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:57,800 Hi. 923 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,200 Look at mommy! 924 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,200 Behave like a little lady. 925 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,200 You are six years old. 926 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,800 Stop jumping on that couch. 927 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,800 So, how was she as a child? 928 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,000 - Oh, she was very special child. 929 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,000 Yeah, smart, funny. 930 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,600 You couldn't ask for a better daughter. 931 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:24,000 Sweet, sweet as could be, but we knew right away. 932 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,800 We just knew that we were meant to be a family. 933 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,600 That's all I can tell you. 934 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:29,400 1989. 935 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,200 And that's whose birthday? 936 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:35,000 Mine. 937 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,400 Yours? 938 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:37,800 Is it your birthday? 939 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:39,800 Huh? 940 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:41,800 Wow. 941 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,200 What have you been doing today? 942 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,600 If you don't mind for the camera, 943 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,600 would you tell us your full first name and last name? 944 00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,800 It's Glynis Williams. 945 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,400 Williams is my married name, I got married last summer. 946 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,000 So, tell us a little bit 947 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,400 about your life growin' up. 948 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,200 Well, I'm happy to tell you 949 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,600 the story I told everybody else back then 950 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,200 but I was little was little, 951 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:14,400 I was really little, though. 952 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,400 So, I think memories can change. 953 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:19,800 But, 954 00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,400 I was playing inside. 955 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,600 I mostly only played inside, 956 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,200 and somehow I ran out. 957 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,800 I don't know if I was chasing something or... 958 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,400 It's not really clear but I got all turned around 959 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,600 and I couldn't find my way back. 960 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,000 Now it kind of feels like a dream, 961 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,400 like pieces don't really fit, 962 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,600 but you swear it was real. 963 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,000 Swear it really happened. 964 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:55,000 And, 965 00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,600 yeah, I must've walked for, 966 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,200 I walked for a really long time 967 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,200 and then I think someone drove by 968 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,000 and they called the police. 969 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:08,800 Glynis, do you remember why 970 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:09,800 you said your last name was Howard? 971 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,000 I thought it was. 972 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:13,000 I thought it was. 973 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,200 Even now when I hear it, 974 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,400 it still sounds like my name. 975 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:21,600 Feels natural? 976 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:22,400 Yeah. 977 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,400 Do you remember your parents? 978 00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,200 No, not really. 979 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,200 I remember my dad. 980 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,800 I remember my dad a little bit. 981 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,800 And people told me about the real Howard family, 982 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,400 started to talk to me about it and told me 983 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,000 that there was no way I could be their kid. 984 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,200 That even if they had a kid, 985 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,000 it was impossible I could even be theirs 986 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,400 because of my age and the time they lived in the house, 987 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,000 timelines and stuff. 988 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,400 And it just, nothing that would make sense to me, 989 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,000 a little kid. 990 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,600 A big, big part of me always felt like I was Glynis Howard. 991 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,400 And so, when I was 16 I actually looked up 992 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,400 the real Howard family, called 'em up. 993 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,800 And I thought if we could see each other 994 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,200 it would clear everything up. 995 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,000 - You know? - Yeah. 996 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,200 - People would believe me, but I was wrong. 997 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,600 I had never seen them before. 998 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,400 I've pretty much given up on that dream. 999 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:35,200 I used to have this fantasy that my real parents, 1000 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,600 my birth parents would come back for me. 1001 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,800 Like they didn't abandon me. 1002 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,200 They just, lost in an accident or somethin'. 1003 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,600 I used to have a lot of fantasies back then, 1004 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,400 that I was a princess or a time traveler. 1005 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:02,600 - Yeah, to makes sense - Right there. 1006 00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,400 ...of all the... 1007 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:05,400 - Craziness? - Very, very pretty. 1008 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:06,600 - Yeah, make sense - Okay. 1009 00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,200 - of all the missing pieces. - Too close. 1010 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,400 I would just... 1011 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,600 I always wanted to be somethin' special. 1012 00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:15,800 Speakin' of missing pieces, 1013 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,800 I've got somethin' that I wanna show you. 1014 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,800 - Do you- - I know this. 1015 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:23,800 - You recognize that box? - Yeah. 1016 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:24,800 I... 1017 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,000 We found that in the Howard's house. 1018 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,000 It was buried with some other things. 1019 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,000 Yeah, I... 1020 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,000 This was, I remember this. 1021 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,000 I think you wind it on the bottom here. 1022 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:44,400 Yeah. 1023 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:51,400 Oh my gosh. 1024 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,000 That's crazy. 1025 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:01,800 I... 1026 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:04,800 Yeah, this was... 1027 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,400 This was mine. 1028 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,200 - Why would they bury all of her things here? 1029 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:25,600 I don't know. 1030 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,000 What do you think? 1031 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,400 I don't know. 1032 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,000 Is she really a lost child of the Howard's? 1033 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,400 As intriguing as that theory sounds, 1034 00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,600 we needed to focus on the more plausible explanations. 1035 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,400 Have fun on your big day. 1036 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,200 Happy birthday. 1037 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,600 Who, me? 1038 00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,200 During our investigation, 1039 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,400 Dwight was called back in for questioning, 1040 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,400 as more evidence of his possible involvement was discovered. 1041 00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,200 Do you know this man? 1042 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,200 I don't believe so. 1043 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:03,600 Edward Baker. 1044 00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:06,400 Yeah, yeah. 1045 00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,000 Sure, I'm sorry, yeah. 1046 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,400 - Were you aware that your wife knew him? 1047 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,600 - Yeah, they would hustle together. 1048 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:18,600 Edward Baker was born 1049 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,800 and raised in Springfield, Tennessee, 1050 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,000 and was a close childhood friend of Emily 1051 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,600 and their friendship turned into something more 1052 00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,600 when they dated throughout high school. 1053 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,600 They were sweet together. 1054 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,800 I thought they were the perfect pair. 1055 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,400 They seemed pretty cute. 1056 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,800 Very flirtatious around each other, high school sweetheart. 1057 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,400 - Eddie was two years ahead of us. 1058 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,000 Yeah, they were always together. 1059 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:50,600 - When she went off to college, they broke up unfortunately. 1060 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:52,800 They tried the long distance relationship, 1061 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,200 but it just didn't work out. 1062 00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:55,400 So, when she came back here, 1063 00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,400 they started hanging out again? 1064 00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,000 - Yeah, I mean, he worked a few blocks away 1065 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,000 in this office building over here down on Eighth 1066 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,800 and he'd come by for lunch or just to visit. 1067 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,800 - When Emily moved back to take care of her mom, 1068 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,200 of course Edward came around and we hung out with everybody. 1069 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,200 So, it wasn't unusual for him to be around. 1070 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:16,800 - They still hang out time to time. 1071 00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,200 I'm not sure if Dwight knows about it, 1072 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,200 but I mean, it's just a friendship. 1073 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,400 Everybody knows that. 1074 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,000 Dwight's not really a fan of Eddie. 1075 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,400 I mean, can you blame him? 1076 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,000 - Dwight just like, really did not like 1077 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,200 that Edward was comin' around 1078 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,200 and I think he kind of let that be known. 1079 00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,200 You wanna start right now? 1080 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,400 - No, no, no, no, no, no. 1081 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,600 Let's at least get home first. 1082 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,400 - Were you aware of Edward and your wife's history? 1083 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,200 - Mr. Baker came forward yesterday. 1084 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,400 He was a little worried, feelin' guilty. 1085 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:10,600 Thought that this information 1086 01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,600 might help our investigation a little bit. 1087 01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:17,400 Emily, what the hell 1088 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:18,600 is wrong with y'all? 1089 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:19,800 You knew that 1090 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:20,800 when you moved here. 1091 01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:21,800 - you tell me about him? - You knew. 1092 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,600 Mr. Nixon, I don't have a body 1093 01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,800 and I don't have a murder weapon 1094 01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:31,000 but what I do have is a motive. 1095 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,600 Remember the free 1096 01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:41,600 Remember to hold your head high 1097 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,600 Remember to smile some 1098 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:51,600 And just listen awhile 1099 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,800 Practiced enough, yeah 1100 01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,400 That's what I told myself 1101 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:00,200 Look at us. 1102 01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,000 Mm hm. 1103 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,200 Play with you. 1104 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,200 Nervously asked you your name 1105 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:10,200 And that's when the world seemed to stop 1106 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,000 And I'd died when you looked up like that 1107 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,200 Took my breath away 1108 01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,800 Knocked me flat on my back 1109 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,000 I knew right then and there 1110 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,800 In that first second stare 1111 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,600 It would be awhile 1112 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:34,200 And everything falls out of focus 1113 01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,000 You walked through the door 1114 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:41,600 And one thing that's clear to me helplessly hopeless 1115 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:46,600 I'm all right with that in a room full of people 1116 01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,400 Everything else disappears 1117 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,000 We need to keep our focus on Wayne Ritchie. 1118 01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,600 Wayne practically grew up on the land, 1119 01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,200 and his house is nearby. 1120 01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,000 I've been lookin' at the city history, 1121 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,800 old maps and things like that. 1122 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,200 So, what I'm wonderin' is if this entrance 1123 01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,400 or this cave actually right here near Wayne's house 1124 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,400 runs towards the Howard's land, or maybe even underneath. 1125 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,200 We need to check this out and see 1126 01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,000 if we can find any tunnels or anything like that 1127 01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,200 that maybe some of these people could have just fallen into. 1128 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,200 - We headed out to find the cave, 1129 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,000 and see if it could answer some of our questions. 1130 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,600 Not knowing the exact location of the cave, 1131 01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,800 we decided to split up to cover more ground. 1132 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,200 Charlie and I headed directly east, 1133 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,000 while Dwight headed northeast. 1134 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:48,600 Here you go. 1135 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,000 Dwight, do you copy? 1136 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,800 Yes, go ahead. 1137 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:02,800 Just testing the range. 1138 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:03,800 Do you see anything? 1139 01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,200 No, nothing yet. 1140 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:10,000 You guys? 1141 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,000 Just woods. 1142 01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,800 Charlie, come here! 1143 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:31,800 I found it! 1144 01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:32,600 Seriously? 1145 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:33,400 Yes! 1146 01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:34,400 It's gotta be it. 1147 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:35,200 It's the only cave we've seen. 1148 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:36,200 Come on, come on. 1149 01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,200 Dwight, do you copy? 1150 01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:40,800 Dwight? 1151 01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:43,800 - He's probably out of range. 1152 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,800 It probably goes down 20 feet, it's narrow. 1153 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,600 - Okay, I don't wanna risk the camera. 1154 01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,400 I guess I'll shoot on my phone. 1155 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:53,600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1156 01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:54,400 - let's do that. - Okay, let's go. 1157 01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:55,800 Okay. 1158 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:56,800 Charlie, how you doin'? 1159 01:03:59,000 --> 01:03:59,800 All right, be careful. 1160 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:26,800 All right, you guys okay? 1161 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,000 Yeah, we're good. 1162 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:28,800 - You okay? - Yeah, I'm good. 1163 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,600 Did you find anything? 1164 01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,400 - Well, we didn't make it too far in 1165 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:33,800 before we hit a blocked part 1166 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,600 but it looks like it might be a cave-in, though. 1167 01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,400 The rocks are wet, water ran down the walls. 1168 01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,000 - So maybe the cave was under the pond? 1169 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,200 After exploring the cave, I think at one time 1170 01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,800 the cave extended past the area, which is now a pond. 1171 01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,400 Take a look at this. 1172 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,600 Here's the cave and here's where Sarah Winston disappeared, 1173 01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,600 in the same spot where the pond was built six years later. 1174 01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,200 Emily's metal detector ring where we found it, 1175 01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,200 this is where the Lopez's disappeared. 1176 01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,600 The Howard's house. 1177 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,600 It's all one line. 1178 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,800 So, if the cave does run underneath all these spots, 1179 01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,000 this could all be connected. 1180 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,400 - There are caves everywhere in Robertson County 1181 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,000 and we are told that they are all connected. 1182 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,800 And at Cross Plains you have Kilgore Cave 1183 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,000 where Thomas Kilgore, the first white person 1184 01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:28,800 in Robertson County spent 1185 01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,800 the winter hiding from the Indians. 1186 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,800 Our historical society had our annual picnic there 1187 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,000 about two weeks ago. 1188 01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,400 If we could get a better understanding 1189 01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,200 of what's below the property, 1190 01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,000 it could help us get answers about the disappearances. 1191 01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,400 The Vietcong had networks 1192 01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,200 of tunnels that they used during the Vietnam War. 1193 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,600 They could come up through one of these openings, 1194 01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,600 they could snatch someone out of the platoon 1195 01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,000 down into the tunnel, seal up the hatch, 1196 01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:58,800 and nobody would know what's going on. 1197 01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,600 They'd be like, "Where's Joe?" 1198 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:02,600 Well, Joe's down in the bowels 1199 01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,000 of the earth somewhere. 1200 01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,000 - Right now they're gonna be runnin' 1201 01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,400 some ground penetrating radar over the top of the site. 1202 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,600 They'll lay out a grid pattern first and literally, 1203 01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:17,800 it'll map out every inch, 1204 01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,400 it'll penetrate just like a water saw does. 1205 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,200 So if we had any ground that's been disturbed recently 1206 01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,000 or any type of cave system underneath us, 1207 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,200 it'll pick that up as well. 1208 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,200 Once they identify a cave or a cavern, 1209 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,200 we'll be able to identify whether it does connect 1210 01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,000 to any other systems on the property, includin' the pond. 1211 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,400 One, two, three. 1212 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:39,600 There you go. 1213 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,200 - We're looking at the site scanning sonar, 1214 01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,600 which is directly underneath the boat, 1215 01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,000 penetrates all the way down to the bottom of the lake. 1216 01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,400 Okay, so if there's a body, 1217 01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,200 it should appear like a white blob or a white- 1218 01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:57,400 Yes, on either screen here, 1219 01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,600 it'll come up either white or kinda grayish. 1220 01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,200 It'll pick up anything that might've fallen 1221 01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:02,800 into the lake accidentally and maybe drowned, 1222 01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,200 such as an animal. 1223 01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,000 So, we don't wanna put a diver down on somethin' 1224 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,400 that's not truly human remains. 1225 01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:08,600 As you come up here if you look at that 1226 01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:10,200 where the boat is right now, 1227 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:11,800 directly underneath there, 1228 01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,200 you can see a black kind of indentation to the red U, 1229 01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,200 and that's an indication that there is an opening there. 1230 01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,000 - By opening deep, do you mean like a cave or- 1231 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,200 - It can be a cave or it could be 1232 01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:23,200 just a really big depression 1233 01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:24,400 in the bottom of the lake 1234 01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,400 but that would appear to be a cave. 1235 01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:27,800 It's goin' that northerly direction, 1236 01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,800 almost directly where the boat is right now. 1237 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,400 - So, in the same direction as the house? 1238 01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:33,800 Same direction as the house. 1239 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:38,000 Have you guys ever found a shaft 1240 01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:39,800 that connects to a whole cave system? 1241 01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:41,000 Absolutely. 1242 01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:42,400 And that's most of the time what you do find. 1243 01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,600 You'll find a smaller opening that'll lead 1244 01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,200 into a bigger cavern or a bigger opening. 1245 01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,000 Diving in the shaft is extremely dangerous 1246 01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,400 'cause only one diver can go one at a time. 1247 01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,200 So, we're gonna take every precaution we can 1248 01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:54,600 to make sure the divers stay safe. 1249 01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,400 Which one of you are going down the shaft? 1250 01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,000 - T-Roy. 1251 01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,800 So, you've done this a few times? 1252 01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,000 Yes. 1253 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,200 What's it like down there? 1254 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:04,800 It's tight. 1255 01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:10,600 So, what we're seein' down 1256 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,800 there right now is low visibility. 1257 01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:15,400 See by the... 1258 01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:19,600 Top side, copy. 1259 01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:20,800 Located the shaft. 1260 01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:29,600 Top side, copy. 1261 01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:31,800 Rock walled, entering the shaft. 1262 01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:33,600 Real good sign that we're in rock walls, 1263 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,600 so this potentially could be a cave system. 1264 01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,000 The shaft should connect us down to the bottom. 1265 01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,200 This is not the bottom of the lake. 1266 01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,600 He's about 10 feet down now. 1267 01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:00,000 - What'd he just say? - Top side, copy. 1268 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,000 We have remains. 1269 01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,400 They have remains. 1270 01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:03,800 Start to see a little on the GoPro? 1271 01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:05,200 And you have it here on the sonar. 1272 01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:06,400 You see the difference in that white-ish gray 1273 01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:07,800 we were talkin' about earlier. 1274 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,400 You can start to see the remains right there. 1275 01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,400 - We don't know what kind of remains though, right? 1276 01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,400 - We don't know until he can physically 1277 01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,400 and visually get up on top of it. 1278 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,000 Top side, copy. 1279 01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,600 Human remains, floatin' the buoy. 1280 01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,000 This is Susanna Connor reporting 1281 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,200 for Channel 2 News from an abandoned piece 1282 01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,200 of farmland outside of Springfield, 1283 01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:45,200 where skeletal remains of a young girl have been found. 1284 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:27,600 Yeah. 1285 01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,200 Okay, yeah, no, no, I appreciate it. 1286 01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:32,400 The results are in. 1287 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,600 The body was identified as Sarah Winston. 1288 01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,600 I knew she was still out there. 1289 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,600 Wait, how did Sarah end up in the pond? 1290 01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:46,800 It wasn't there in 1994. 1291 01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:02,000 - So, if the Howard's left Springfield in 1979, 1292 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,800 and hadn't returned, then who built 1293 01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:05,400 that pond on that property? 1294 01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,200 - That big sinkhole opened up over there. 1295 01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:09,800 It was in '98. 1296 01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,400 It just boom, like that. 1297 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,600 And that hole was massive. 1298 01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,200 I went over there several times 1299 01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,200 to just stand there and look down into the thing. 1300 01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:18,200 It was huge. 1301 01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:19,800 With the Howard's gone, 1302 01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,400 nobody went up there to put any sign 1303 01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,800 to warn people about it. 1304 01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,200 A farmer's cow wandered off 1305 01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:29,600 and ended up in that sinkhole, fell right in. 1306 01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,000 We did get her out, though. 1307 01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,400 She was kinda shaken up but she's okay. 1308 01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,400 - Yes, Sir, because of safety purposes, 1309 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,000 we agreed to fill the pond in with water. 1310 01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,800 Well, they went in and filled it with rock 1311 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,400 and hard clay and stuff just to try 1312 01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,200 to build a base in it where it would retain the water. 1313 01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:49,800 Who filled up that sinkhole? 1314 01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,200 Wayne Ritchie. 1315 01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,400 - That pond was built by Wayne Ritchie. 1316 01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:54,600 Wayne Ritchie. 1317 01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,600 - Well, I loaned him the equipment to do it with 1318 01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:59,800 in exchange for fishin' rights of course. 1319 01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:06,400 - My first thought was that he drowned her somewhere else, 1320 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:09,400 kept her body and then moved her back 1321 01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,800 to the pond once he built it. 1322 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,200 Could Sarah's body have been moved 1323 01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,400 to the pond after she was murdered? 1324 01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:16,600 We would need to talk 1325 01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,400 to the forensic pathologist to find out. 1326 01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,000 - After we determined that the cause 1327 01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,000 or manner of death was not from gunshot or a stab wound, 1328 01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,200 we then turned our investigation towards drowning 1329 01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,400 since the skeleton was found in the pond. 1330 01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:35,400 We were gonna look at the presence or absence of diatoms. 1331 01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:38,000 Diatoms are photosynthesizing algae 1332 01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,800 that are present in every aquatic environment. 1333 01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:42,800 - When we studied the bone marrow, 1334 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,800 we noticed diatoms present, 1335 01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,200 indicating that the cause of death was drowning. 1336 01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,200 Every body of water has its own unique 1337 01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,000 and distinct form of diatom, 1338 01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,400 kind of like a fingerprint. 1339 01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,800 - We took a sample in the pond at Howard's Mill 1340 01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:04,000 and studied the signature of the diatoms present. 1341 01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,600 Interestingly, it was an exact match to the diatoms present 1342 01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,600 in the bone marrow of Sarah Winston. 1343 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,400 The presence of diatoms in the lungs 1344 01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,400 and bone marrow would indicate 1345 01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:18,000 that the person entered the water alive and then drowned. 1346 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,800 The absence of diatoms would prove a body had been dumped 1347 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,000 in the water after they were deceased. 1348 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,000 - Based on these findings, the science shows 1349 01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,600 that Sarah Winston actually drowned in 2004. 1350 01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:35,600 - So in 1994, 10-year-old Sarah Winston disappears. 1351 01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,400 In 2017 the body of Sarah Winston is found 1352 01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,400 in the pond on Howard's Mill, 1353 01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:45,000 but the forensics report shows she drowned in 2004. 1354 01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,400 So, that means she should have been 20 years old 1355 01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,800 in 2004 when she drowned, 1356 01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:51,400 but she was still at 10 years old, 1357 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,000 the same age she was in 1994 before the pond was ever built. 1358 01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,200 Are you confused yet? 1359 01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,600 - Human time travel may not be probable 1360 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:07,800 but it is potentially possible. 1361 01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:14,000 Technically, we are all time travelers. 1362 01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,600 In the past 24 hours, I traveled one day in time. 1363 01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:20,600 I presume that you did too. 1364 01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,400 The real question is whether 1365 01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:27,400 or not different people travel faster than others. 1366 01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,000 Einstein thought so. 1367 01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,200 In the case of Sarah Winston, 1368 01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:36,200 you have forensic proof that a 10-year-old girl disappeared 1369 01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:41,000 and then drowned at the same age 10 years later. 1370 01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,400 The Glynis Howard story doesn't 1371 01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:45,800 have the science to back it up, 1372 01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,400 but the coincidence of them both happening 1373 01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,400 on the same piece of bland is compelling. 1374 01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:54,000 Are you saying you believe 1375 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,800 that Sarah Winston traveled 10 years into the future, 1376 01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,600 returning to this exact same spot she disappeared 1377 01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,800 where a pond had been built and then drowned? 1378 01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,000 You have two related cases 1379 01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,400 of people with age discrepancies 1380 01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,000 connected to the same location, 1381 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:09,600 and one of them is still living. 1382 01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,400 I would ask the one that's still living. 1383 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:37,200 Yeah. 1384 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,400 It's all familiar. 1385 01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:53,600 Your old room. 1386 01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:56,200 No. 1387 01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:01,000 No, I've never been in this room before. 1388 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:04,000 But this is the only child's room in the house. 1389 01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,600 I don't remember this room. 1390 01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,200 When I, I remember I took naps though, 1391 01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,000 upstairs in this room. 1392 01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:29,600 Yeah, I took naps in here with my dad, 1393 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:34,600 but I had my own room, was in the basement. 1394 01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:38,600 So. 1395 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:39,600 The basement? 1396 01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:40,600 Uh huh. 1397 01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,000 I mean, this place is so... 1398 01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,600 I mean, I know I was here. 1399 01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:50,600 I know I was here. 1400 01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,800 It's crazy, I felt like it was bigger. 1401 01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:05,400 It was like twice this size when I was here. 1402 01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:08,400 Like this wall wasn't here 1403 01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:12,400 'cause I had like a dresser and- 1404 01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,000 Shine the light on here. 1405 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:14,800 Let me see. 1406 01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,200 Yeah, this board is... 1407 01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:20,000 - Hold that light right there. - Okay. 1408 01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:20,800 Be careful. 1409 01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,400 - Got it? - Yeah, I got it. 1410 01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:31,600 Oh, oh, oh, oh. 1411 01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,000 Oh my God! 1412 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:33,800 - Yeah, there's something - Yeah, yeah, 1413 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:34,800 - in there. - yeah. 1414 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,200 I knew this wall wasn't here. 1415 01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:37,600 I knew this wall wasn't here. 1416 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:43,600 All right? 1417 01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,000 Camera. 1418 01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:47,600 Got it. 1419 01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,000 Oh my God. 1420 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,200 What are you seein', guys? 1421 01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,200 Oh my God, this is all my stuff. 1422 01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:57,200 These are my... 1423 01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:58,600 I remember these books. 1424 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,400 It was up against this wall but... 1425 01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:03,600 And this picture. 1426 01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,800 I mean, I looked at this picture every single day. 1427 01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,000 Wow. 1428 01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:11,400 It's still here. 1429 01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:12,200 Yeah, I... 1430 01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:15,600 Like... 1431 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,400 I'm kinda in shock right now. 1432 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:19,800 I'm shaking. 1433 01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:21,400 This bed, this was my bed. 1434 01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:26,000 This was my bed and all my things and... 1435 01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:29,000 - Oh my God! - Oh God! 1436 01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:29,800 Get outta here! 1437 01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:42,600 For the second time in 28 days, 1438 01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,200 skeletal remains of a child 1439 01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,200 have been discovered on the abandoned Howard's Mill. 1440 01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,000 Police questioned a suspect, Wayne Ritchie, 1441 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,600 after discovering the body of 10 year old Sarah Winston 1442 01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,600 who had been missing since 1994. 1443 01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,400 - I don't care what those scientists say. 1444 01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,400 I know Wayne did it. 1445 01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,400 - When I heard about Sarah Winston, 1446 01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,200 I immediately, I just got chills. 1447 01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:10,200 I mean, that could've been me. 1448 01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:11,400 I guess I'm surprised. 1449 01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,000 I really didn't see him as the murdering kind. 1450 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,200 - Never, I'll never believe that he did that. 1451 01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:22,800 Hello? 1452 01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:26,600 Hi, yes, this is Glynis Williams. 1453 01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:31,600 I just, I was watching the news and the man, 1454 01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:38,000 Wayne Ritchie, I think they said his name was, I know him. 1455 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,800 I know who that is. 1456 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,600 You've met him? 1457 01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:46,400 I'm positive that that man is my father. 1458 01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:25,600 All right, what you go for me, Dan? 1459 01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,200 - Well, the lab results are in, brother. 1460 01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:29,600 You're not gonna believe it. 1461 01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,800 Wayne Ritchie and Glynis Williams are not related. 1462 01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,200 Okay. 1463 01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:39,000 Rebecca Howard and Glynis Williams are not related. 1464 01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,000 Wait, now what are you talkin'- 1465 01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,200 There's more. 1466 01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:47,400 Rebecca Howard and Jane Doe are related. 1467 01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:03,400 - When was the last time you saw your daughter? 1468 01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,000 Wayne Ritchie didn't recognize 1469 01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,600 the photo of the real Glynis Howard, 1470 01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:19,400 but was able to identify Glynis Williams, 1471 01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:23,200 although referring to her as Glynis Howard. 1472 01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,600 He seemed just as confused as everyone else. 1473 01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:14,200 This just all seems to point 1474 01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:15,800 more and more to Wayne Ritchie. 1475 01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,200 The fact that we have a body in the room 1476 01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,200 that he admits he sealed, 1477 01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:26,200 then we've got a body in a pond that he had field. 1478 01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:29,000 The question now is, where is Emily? 1479 01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:33,800 Are you happy with the arrest? 1480 01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:39,000 So, are we done? 1481 01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:42,400 No. 1482 01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:43,800 I still need to find my wife. 1483 01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,200 Wayne, I need your help. 1484 01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:13,600 All right. 1485 01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,600 I mean, I'll help however I can help. 1486 01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:18,000 All right. 1487 01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:20,400 What I'm havin' a problem wrappin' 1488 01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,800 my mind around is this. 1489 01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:24,200 You admit to all these things, 1490 01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:26,000 - buildin' that wall? - Yeah. 1491 01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,200 Takin' that little baby, 1492 01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:31,600 but what about Emily? 1493 01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,000 What about my wife, Wayne? 1494 01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:35,600 - I told you Dwight, told you from the start, 1495 01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:37,000 I had nothin' to do with that. 1496 01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,800 I had nothin' to do with that. 1497 01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:43,200 Why are you in the video 1498 01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,200 she took right before she went missin'? 1499 01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:49,200 That's you standin' right there. 1500 01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:51,400 I don't know. 1501 01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:54,000 That wasn't me. 1502 01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:57,200 It's 'cause I go out there sometimes 1503 01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:58,800 and when I walk around I hunt. 1504 01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:00,400 That ain't a crime. 1505 01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:01,600 No, that's not a crime. 1506 01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,400 But you didn't notice her there 1507 01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:05,400 even though she was talkin' awfully loud 1508 01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:06,600 and she wasn't exactly blendin' in? 1509 01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:08,000 Well, so what? 1510 01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:10,000 If I did, it don't mean I hurt her. 1511 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,400 It don't mean I done nothin' with her. 1512 01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:16,200 Sometimes I go out there and I watch people a little bit, 1513 01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,400 see if they disappear or whatnot. 1514 01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:22,400 - Are you sayin' you saw what happened to her? 1515 01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:23,400 Naw. 1516 01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,200 A dog ran off into the woods, 1517 01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:32,200 and I followed the dog into the woods. 1518 01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:34,600 I figured she went home. 1519 01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,200 - If you don't have anything to hide, 1520 01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,200 while are you always chasin' people off that property? 1521 01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:43,600 - 'Cause I wanna make sure nobody out there disappears again 1522 01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:47,400 and I wanna make sure nobody else pops up, 1523 01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,000 like Glynis done. 1524 01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:51,800 You were just walkin' by? 1525 01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:53,200 I was just walkin' by. 1526 01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:55,200 They took her, not me. 1527 01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:56,000 Who? 1528 01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:57,400 Who took her? 1529 01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,000 I had nothin' to do with this. 1530 01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:00,200 I had nothin' to do with this. 1531 01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,200 - I had nothin' to, - This person disappeared 1532 01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,600 - y'all can... - only a few weeks ago. 1533 01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:05,400 Who took her, Wayne? 1534 01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,200 - Now you know we've got several people out there 1535 01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:14,800 that claim they saw lights 1536 01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,200 but there's no proof of that so we can't go anything there. 1537 01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:19,600 And you've got the Lopez's, 1538 01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:24,200 you've got Sarah Winston and you've got Glynis Howard 1539 01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:26,800 all disappearing from the same land. 1540 01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:28,200 Sarah! 1541 01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:29,200 Sarah? 1542 01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:30,400 Sarah! 1543 01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:32,000 - Did you see where she went? - Where is she? 1544 01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,200 - Some people believe theoretically 1545 01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,000 that the potential for traveling through time, 1546 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,600 forward through time is possible. 1547 01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:49,800 - 1979, Glynis Howard goes missing age six, all right? 1548 01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:51,800 She shows back up forensics report 1549 01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:56,200 that Glynis Howard's body found in a wall dead at age six. 1550 01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:57,800 Look, that's 10 years. 1551 01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:02,200 Sarah Winston, disappears at age 10, 1994. 1552 01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,800 10 years later forensics again says 1553 01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:09,800 she shows up drowned, dead but the same age. 1554 01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:13,400 There's also the twin paradox. 1555 01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,800 The idea being that if you take identical twins 1556 01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:18,200 under the right circumstances, 1557 01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:21,400 one could travel to space and returning 1558 01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,600 have aged slower than the one who remained on Earth. 1559 01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:26,800 Now, what's with the 10 years? 1560 01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:28,800 Now, you tell me how somebody's, 1561 01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:30,800 they disappear at a certain age, 1562 01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:32,600 their bodies are kept and then they show 1563 01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:36,200 back up dead at a certain age. 1564 01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,600 - So, you're sayin' that Emily will come back in 10 years? 1565 01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,800 - More importantly, will she show back up 1566 01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,800 in 10 years the same age as when she disappeared? 1567 01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:54,000 Maybe Roger Winston's theories 1568 01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,400 weren't so far fetched. 1569 01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:59,200 Maybe he's not as crazy as everyone thinks. 1570 01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:04,000 Twin Falls, Idaho, 1987, 1571 01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:06,200 this is an interview with a boy named Cole Thomas, 1572 01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:07,800 eight year old boy. 1573 01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:09,800 He claimed he'd been missin' for two days 1574 01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:12,600 and when they found him he'd only been gone, 1575 01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:14,400 he said four minutes, okay? 1576 01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,800 So, the only thing that he remembered 1577 01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,000 was the distinct feelin' of bein' watched. 1578 01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,200 Texarkana, Arkansas, 2001, right? 1579 01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:26,400 "I saw my sister climbing through the second floor window 1580 01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:27,800 but not really climbing. 1581 01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:29,400 It was more like she was floatin', 1582 01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,600 and when I got to the window, she was gone," right? 1583 01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,000 - And there were triangular lights 1584 01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:38,000 that appeared at the horizon. 1585 01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:41,600 - The lights comin' in the window. 1586 01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,200 They would rotate and move. 1587 01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:46,800 - And lights floatin' in the distance. 1588 01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:48,600 I got a lot of this stuff here 1589 01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:50,200 and it's just missin' persons 1590 01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:53,400 with no recollection of where they've been, okay? 1591 01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:56,600 Just, they all know that they've been watched. 1592 01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:01,400 - They were all lined up on the horizon, watching. 1593 01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:12,400 - The entities appear to study their subjects, 1594 01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:14,400 first as many abducted individuals 1595 01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:18,200 share the feeling of being watched. 1596 01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:19,400 All right? 1597 01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:20,800 "Sometimes months before the incident, 1598 01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,200 while there are numerous vivid accounts of abduction 1599 01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:27,400 there are just as many lost time incidents," all right? 1600 01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:31,200 "The victim goes missing for days, months, even years, 1601 01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:33,400 with no memory of being gone 1602 01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:35,400 and in the case of Marilyn Graham, 1603 01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:37,000 showing no signs of aging 1604 01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,800 despite being missing for over 10 years." 1605 01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:41,600 Okay, look at all of these, all right? 1606 01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:45,200 And you wanna say that you don't believe? 1607 01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:48,800 - I'm lookin' at all this, but what are you sayin' here? 1608 01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:51,000 What am I saying? 1609 01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:54,000 Just read it. 1610 01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:59,600 If the 10 year time travel theory is possible, 1611 01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:01,200 could it be that Glynis Howard returned 1612 01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,400 to the exact same spot in the basement 1613 01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:05,000 where she disappeared only 1614 01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:08,000 to find herself trapped behind the wall Wayne built? 1615 01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:09,200 Did a starving child try to claw 1616 01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,600 her way out of what would become her tomb? 1617 01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:14,400 And did Sarah Winston return 1618 01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:15,800 to the same spot she disappeared 1619 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,400 where upon it had been built and then drowned? 1620 01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:22,600 Did Roger Winston just miss an opportunity 1621 01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:25,200 to save his daughter from drowning 1622 01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:27,600 the night he found her bow floating in the pond? 1623 01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:32,400 I think she was trying to come home. 1624 01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,000 But then what about the Lopez's? 1625 01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:43,000 Where did they go? 1626 01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:45,200 And what about Glynis Williams 1627 01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,600 who Wayne found in the Howard's field? 1628 01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:48,800 Where did she come from? 1629 01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:54,000 And then there is a reason why we started this journey, 1630 01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:55,200 Dwight's wife, Emily. 1631 01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:58,400 Maybe it all doesn't add up perfectly 1632 01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:00,600 but something unnatural is clearly happening 1633 01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,800 on this abandoned piece of land called Howard's Mill. 1634 01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:10,000 No, you need to understand, 1635 01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:13,600 sometimes it takes people and sometimes it gives people. 1636 01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:16,400 Best just to stay away. 1637 01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:21,400 For the first time in my life, 1638 01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,200 I really don't know what to think. 1639 01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:29,600 I mean, we finally got Wayne Ritchie in jail. 1640 01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,600 I don't know if he did it, Kaiser. 1641 01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:40,600 You got people movin' at different speeds, 1642 01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:42,400 reappearin' and disappearin'. 1643 01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:43,600 Little girls just poppin' up 1644 01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:48,000 in rooms with no windows or doors, and Emily. 1645 01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:50,800 I can't find my wife. 1646 01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:55,600 This whole thing's crazy. 1647 01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:57,400 It's just got my mind spinnin'. 1648 01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:01,000 I feel lost. 1649 01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:04,600 So, what are you gonna do now? 1650 01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:05,600 Keep lookin. 1651 01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,800 Do you think she'll come back? 1652 01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,600 I mean, yeah. 1653 01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,000 I have to believe that, 1654 01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:15,800 but if she doesn't, 1655 01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:20,600 I will be right here 10 years from now waitin' on her. 1656 01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:24,600 I just... 1657 01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:37,800 When everything falls out of focus 1658 01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:40,400 You walk through the door 1659 01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:43,000 And one thing that's clear to me 1660 01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,400 Helplessly hopeless 1661 01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:47,200 I'm all right with that 1662 01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:50,000 In a room full of people 1663 01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:55,000 Everything else disappears 1664 01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:59,600 Everything else disappears 1665 01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:04,400 Everything else disappears 1666 01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:07,200 Everything else121860