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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,097 --> 00:00:06,097 (soft ambient music) 2 00:00:47,428 --> 00:00:52,428 (waves splashing) 3 00:01:10,155 --> 00:01:15,155 (light piano music) 4 00:01:52,001 --> 00:01:57,001 (people chattering) 5 00:03:17,653 --> 00:03:20,783 (water splashes) 6 00:03:24,565 --> 00:03:29,565 (gentle piano and string music) 7 00:03:38,845 --> 00:03:40,135 - It was sort of a weird day. 8 00:03:40,144 --> 00:03:42,484 The wind was lightish, 9 00:03:42,481 --> 00:03:44,891 and I was just kitin' there. 10 00:03:44,890 --> 00:03:48,880 I cut over to the south tower and some stuff fell 11 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,560 so I cut back the other way and 12 00:03:51,556 --> 00:03:54,546 I just saw a mass falling towards my kite 13 00:03:54,551 --> 00:03:56,871 and I thought it was the same thing, 14 00:03:56,871 --> 00:03:59,221 and so I turned the kite back 15 00:03:59,218 --> 00:04:00,998 and then I looked over 16 00:04:00,999 --> 00:04:02,919 and, you know, before they hit, 17 00:04:02,919 --> 00:04:05,549 I realized it was a person that had jumped. 18 00:04:05,551 --> 00:04:08,271 So then I cut over just to see 19 00:04:08,271 --> 00:04:10,811 or maybe possibly help. 20 00:04:10,807 --> 00:04:12,587 The current just sucked them under 21 00:04:12,588 --> 00:04:15,098 and I stayed in the tide because I knew 22 00:04:15,095 --> 00:04:18,165 that the Coast Guard would come and 23 00:04:18,170 --> 00:04:21,190 that's when it became more of a surreal experience to me 24 00:04:21,185 --> 00:04:24,995 because I've seen that Coast Guard boat a million times 25 00:04:25,001 --> 00:04:27,411 and they've helped us out and rescued us 26 00:04:27,411 --> 00:04:28,711 when we have problems, 27 00:04:28,713 --> 00:04:31,853 but they're all wearing the white hazmat suits 28 00:04:31,848 --> 00:04:34,018 and that's when I realize that 29 00:04:34,024 --> 00:04:36,034 there was definitely a person in. 30 00:04:36,027 --> 00:04:40,807 (waves crashing) 31 00:04:40,814 --> 00:04:43,884 - I never knew the real scale of the problem. 32 00:04:43,875 --> 00:04:46,785 I don't know, the whole thing is crazy to me. 33 00:04:46,787 --> 00:04:48,777 I mean, I just don't even understand it. 34 00:04:48,781 --> 00:04:50,321 Really. 35 00:04:50,317 --> 00:04:52,047 - When I was riding back after that time, 36 00:04:52,054 --> 00:04:55,564 I was thinking about how 37 00:04:55,559 --> 00:04:58,089 that person was at the lowest of the low 38 00:04:58,090 --> 00:05:02,270 of their life obviously and how the whole day 39 00:05:02,272 --> 00:05:04,622 all I could think about, it's gonna be a good day 40 00:05:04,618 --> 00:05:07,358 to go out and kite and pack my passions for it 41 00:05:07,359 --> 00:05:10,609 and here at the same time, you know, 42 00:05:10,612 --> 00:05:13,832 I'm reaching for what I love to do 43 00:05:13,827 --> 00:05:15,577 and this person's ending their life 44 00:05:15,584 --> 00:05:18,234 so that was unreal. 45 00:05:18,231 --> 00:05:20,111 - [Eric] Yeah, exactly, kiting is, to me, 46 00:05:20,108 --> 00:05:22,338 a real celebration of life. 47 00:05:22,337 --> 00:05:24,567 It's exhilarating, it's thrilling, 48 00:05:24,566 --> 00:05:26,956 it's just awesome. 49 00:05:26,955 --> 00:05:29,185 So it's a real juxtaposition of 50 00:05:29,185 --> 00:05:31,545 celebration of life and ending of life. 51 00:05:31,552 --> 00:05:34,272 ♫ Quiet 52 00:05:36,150 --> 00:05:40,380 ♫ It's neither heaven nor space 53 00:05:41,392 --> 00:05:44,042 ♫ It's just high 54 00:05:47,136 --> 00:05:51,026 ♫ And the ring around the moon 55 00:05:52,011 --> 00:05:55,131 ♫ Looks like light and love ♫ 56 00:05:55,125 --> 00:05:57,665 - It was one of those epic days in San Francisco 57 00:05:57,674 --> 00:05:59,454 driving across the Golden Gate Bridge. 58 00:05:59,445 --> 00:06:00,735 It was crystal clear. 59 00:06:00,736 --> 00:06:02,936 The day was calm. 60 00:06:02,942 --> 00:06:05,452 There were tourists walking across the bridge 61 00:06:05,450 --> 00:06:07,940 and usually on those types of days 62 00:06:07,935 --> 00:06:10,155 I always soak in the beauty of the bay 63 00:06:10,164 --> 00:06:13,204 and look over to Alcatraz, 64 00:06:13,204 --> 00:06:16,704 and on that particular day 65 00:06:16,697 --> 00:06:19,487 I looked over, I was probably a little bit more 66 00:06:19,486 --> 00:06:23,706 than mid-span when I saw 67 00:06:23,710 --> 00:06:26,940 this gentleman on the railings, 68 00:06:26,942 --> 00:06:29,112 and at first glance, I thought, 69 00:06:29,114 --> 00:06:31,414 wow, this guy looks like he's gonna bungee jump 70 00:06:31,409 --> 00:06:32,609 because of the way that 71 00:06:32,610 --> 00:06:36,340 he was standing on the railing and then 72 00:06:36,343 --> 00:06:38,793 common sense kicked in and said you can't. 73 00:06:38,791 --> 00:06:42,441 My thoughts were you couldn't jump off the bridge, 74 00:06:42,437 --> 00:06:44,597 bungee jump off the bridge, 75 00:06:44,604 --> 00:06:47,434 and then he just kind of held his arms out 76 00:06:47,430 --> 00:06:51,750 and disappeared and I wasn't sure if 77 00:06:51,750 --> 00:06:55,630 I was imagining this and so I drove for a few seconds 78 00:06:55,632 --> 00:06:57,832 and looked in my review mirror 79 00:06:57,829 --> 00:07:01,999 and my heart rate went up and I almost 80 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,900 felt like I wanted to start crying because 81 00:07:05,896 --> 00:07:08,566 I thought to myself, wow, I might be one of the last people 82 00:07:08,570 --> 00:07:11,520 that have ever seen this person alive. 83 00:07:12,951 --> 00:07:14,811 When I went into the tower 84 00:07:14,807 --> 00:07:17,287 and I talked to the highway patrolmen, 85 00:07:17,292 --> 00:07:19,322 you know, I asked him blatantly, I said, 86 00:07:19,318 --> 00:07:20,618 "Is this a rare occurrence 87 00:07:20,620 --> 00:07:23,470 "or does this happen often?" 88 00:07:23,467 --> 00:07:25,767 And he looked at me and kinda smiled 89 00:07:25,771 --> 00:07:29,071 and just said, "It happens it all the time." 90 00:07:29,065 --> 00:07:34,035 (soft ambient music) 91 00:07:42,832 --> 00:07:45,152 (water splashes) 92 00:07:45,151 --> 00:07:50,061 (melancholy piano music) 93 00:07:57,355 --> 00:08:00,115 - It's hard to define Gene as a person. 94 00:08:00,117 --> 00:08:00,997 He was 95 00:08:03,843 --> 00:08:07,013 just not of this world, 96 00:08:07,006 --> 00:08:09,786 I think is really the truth of it. 97 00:08:09,789 --> 00:08:13,239 Not of this world as we know it. 98 00:08:17,584 --> 00:08:19,074 His mother was woman who said, 99 00:08:19,066 --> 00:08:21,536 "Oh, I never want children," 100 00:08:21,541 --> 00:08:25,781 and then a few years later, she found herself pregnant 101 00:08:25,778 --> 00:08:28,288 and decided 102 00:08:29,975 --> 00:08:32,285 to have the child 103 00:08:32,287 --> 00:08:35,907 rather than leave the country for an alternative 104 00:08:35,913 --> 00:08:38,683 and she was looking forward to it 105 00:08:38,676 --> 00:08:42,686 and so came my friend Gene, 106 00:08:42,686 --> 00:08:46,606 who was always referred to as my little brother, Thump. 107 00:08:46,611 --> 00:08:49,811 He was born an old man. 108 00:08:51,824 --> 00:08:55,464 And all their lives it was just the two of them, 109 00:08:55,460 --> 00:08:56,770 pretty much. 110 00:08:56,768 --> 00:08:58,628 People came and went in their lives 111 00:08:58,630 --> 00:09:02,030 in relationships of various sorts, but 112 00:09:02,026 --> 00:09:04,876 it was mostly just always the two of them, 113 00:09:04,875 --> 00:09:08,135 dependent on each other for 114 00:09:09,681 --> 00:09:12,601 that stability that 115 00:09:12,603 --> 00:09:15,743 one thinks of as tomorrow is coming 116 00:09:15,739 --> 00:09:18,709 and we will do this and we will do that. 117 00:09:21,572 --> 00:09:25,252 (melancholy piano music) 118 00:09:25,245 --> 00:09:27,425 - [Voiceover] Growing up with Lisa in Marin, 119 00:09:27,431 --> 00:09:29,641 she was just, like, completely normal 120 00:09:29,639 --> 00:09:30,729 until she was like 14. 121 00:09:30,730 --> 00:09:31,700 - [Voiceover] 14. 122 00:09:31,697 --> 00:09:33,337 - Yeah, and I'm four years older 123 00:09:33,342 --> 00:09:35,032 and I moved away, I lived in Alaska, 124 00:09:35,026 --> 00:09:37,106 and my mom would write me and say, 125 00:09:37,108 --> 00:09:39,988 "Hey, Lisa's acting strange 126 00:09:39,992 --> 00:09:41,492 "and doing this things," 127 00:09:41,491 --> 00:09:44,201 and I kept telling her it was 128 00:09:44,195 --> 00:09:46,705 typical teenage stuff and I came back, like, 129 00:09:46,711 --> 00:09:48,651 10 months later. 130 00:09:48,648 --> 00:09:50,138 There was a big change. 131 00:09:50,142 --> 00:09:51,842 - Our upbringing 132 00:09:54,267 --> 00:09:57,497 was fabulous, I would say, until my father 133 00:09:57,498 --> 00:09:59,798 suddenly died when I was 14. 134 00:09:59,799 --> 00:10:02,109 - Well, that was a shock. 135 00:10:02,111 --> 00:10:03,771 That threw all three of us, 136 00:10:03,767 --> 00:10:06,057 but it didn't make Jeff and I mentally ill, 137 00:10:06,060 --> 00:10:09,280 but Lisa had different personality. 138 00:10:09,276 --> 00:10:12,586 She wasn't as outgoing as my brother or I, 139 00:10:12,592 --> 00:10:13,652 and she was just-- 140 00:10:13,649 --> 00:10:15,629 - She was more angelic. 141 00:10:17,614 --> 00:10:20,084 We went through all the counselors 142 00:10:20,078 --> 00:10:24,318 and finally got her to go to a psychiatrist, 143 00:10:24,323 --> 00:10:28,053 and he said that Lisa is a paranoid schizophrenic 144 00:10:28,045 --> 00:10:30,535 and she will never recover. 145 00:10:31,797 --> 00:10:34,697 That was a terrible thing to tell a mother. 146 00:10:34,698 --> 00:10:36,838 He says, "You have to take her right now 147 00:10:36,842 --> 00:10:39,312 "to the crisis center at Marin General." 148 00:10:39,306 --> 00:10:41,016 She immediately, when we got there, 149 00:10:41,023 --> 00:10:43,903 got on the payphone and started calling her friends 150 00:10:43,903 --> 00:10:46,393 and telling 'em how terrible I was 151 00:10:46,385 --> 00:10:48,695 to bring her to this place. 152 00:10:48,700 --> 00:10:51,980 Well, they brought her into the crisis unit 153 00:10:51,980 --> 00:10:55,280 and do you know, for all the bad things 154 00:10:55,276 --> 00:10:58,136 she did when she was home, 155 00:10:58,135 --> 00:11:01,575 she straightened up, acted as if 156 00:11:01,576 --> 00:11:03,556 she was perfectly normal 157 00:11:03,564 --> 00:11:05,684 and they discharged her. 158 00:11:05,675 --> 00:11:08,255 We went through that several times. 159 00:11:08,257 --> 00:11:12,137 (somber ambient music) 160 00:11:14,646 --> 00:11:16,216 She had her own style. 161 00:11:16,224 --> 00:11:17,734 She liked to wear headbands. 162 00:11:17,728 --> 00:11:19,938 She liked to wear black. 163 00:11:19,936 --> 00:11:22,596 - Black leather headbands with rhinestones 164 00:11:22,602 --> 00:11:23,932 and matching gloves 165 00:11:23,925 --> 00:11:25,665 with no fingers - [Rachel] And she always wore 166 00:11:25,669 --> 00:11:27,589 bicycle gloves. 167 00:11:27,588 --> 00:11:30,128 - No, Harley Rider gloves. 168 00:11:30,129 --> 00:11:31,399 You know, leather. 169 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:33,049 - [Both] Leather, leather. 170 00:11:33,045 --> 00:11:33,985 - Leather gloves. [Tara] She was 171 00:11:33,986 --> 00:11:35,326 a leather queen. - [Rachel] Yes, yes. 172 00:11:35,326 --> 00:11:40,106 (waves splashing) 173 00:11:40,105 --> 00:11:44,705 (seagulls crying) 174 00:11:46,757 --> 00:11:50,217 (tense ambient music) 175 00:11:50,222 --> 00:11:53,482 - I met Gene at a comic book convention 176 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,360 in Oakland. 177 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,260 We just hit it off immediately. 178 00:11:57,261 --> 00:11:58,581 By looking at us, you wouldn't think 179 00:11:58,584 --> 00:12:01,034 that we'd become such tight friends, 180 00:12:01,032 --> 00:12:03,732 but we did. 181 00:12:03,730 --> 00:12:06,630 You know, he looked like the 182 00:12:06,631 --> 00:12:09,481 cool rocker type, you know, 183 00:12:09,475 --> 00:12:12,265 long hair, you know, everything about him is 184 00:12:12,269 --> 00:12:14,129 just cool and the ladies like it 185 00:12:14,125 --> 00:12:17,745 and I was Mr. Hiphop, you know, 186 00:12:17,751 --> 00:12:19,661 other side of the spectrum and stuff. 187 00:12:19,661 --> 00:12:21,541 - Everything was black. 188 00:12:21,538 --> 00:12:23,018 His clothes were black. 189 00:12:23,020 --> 00:12:24,460 His hair was black. 190 00:12:26,758 --> 00:12:28,768 The curtains were black. 191 00:12:28,769 --> 00:12:30,789 The walls were black. 192 00:12:30,785 --> 00:12:32,385 The sheets were black. 193 00:12:34,292 --> 00:12:35,772 He just wanted... 194 00:12:37,428 --> 00:12:40,208 It's as though he wanted no, 195 00:12:40,211 --> 00:12:42,621 no contrasts. 196 00:12:42,622 --> 00:12:46,122 He mostly just wanted to be in his room with his computer. 197 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,910 - [Dave] Me and Gene had long talks about 198 00:12:49,914 --> 00:12:53,844 love and where he's trying to find it, 199 00:12:53,839 --> 00:12:57,189 and I told him he's not gonna find it on the internet. 200 00:12:57,189 --> 00:12:58,789 A lot of times, he didn't want to hear it. 201 00:12:58,788 --> 00:13:01,918 He just wanted what he saw. 202 00:13:01,924 --> 00:13:03,664 He would send me pictures of these girls 203 00:13:03,663 --> 00:13:06,143 and I'm like, 204 00:13:06,135 --> 00:13:07,745 "Dude, what are you doing?" 205 00:13:07,748 --> 00:13:09,978 You know, (laughs) that's not, 206 00:13:09,977 --> 00:13:11,577 that ain't it, you know. 207 00:13:11,577 --> 00:13:15,577 I'm like, "Take time, get to know this person." 208 00:13:15,577 --> 00:13:18,337 You don't know this person from nothing 209 00:13:18,339 --> 00:13:20,379 just because you read a bio about this person 210 00:13:20,376 --> 00:13:22,346 and this person wants to 211 00:13:22,350 --> 00:13:24,290 turn around and have sex with you. 212 00:13:24,288 --> 00:13:26,228 That's not love, you know. 213 00:13:26,232 --> 00:13:31,232 (soft ambient music) 214 00:13:37,914 --> 00:13:40,214 - I noticed early on 215 00:13:40,207 --> 00:13:44,757 that Lisa was very interested in romance, 216 00:13:44,757 --> 00:13:49,457 and I saw her go through some very painful rejections. 217 00:13:49,455 --> 00:13:51,005 - She met a guy. 218 00:13:51,012 --> 00:13:53,592 This was just before Christmas. 219 00:13:53,593 --> 00:13:56,913 She took off with him on a bus. 220 00:13:56,910 --> 00:13:58,210 She was gone for a week. 221 00:13:58,211 --> 00:14:00,461 We have no idea where she was. 222 00:14:00,462 --> 00:14:02,162 She was off her medication, 223 00:14:02,158 --> 00:14:04,758 and I was wrapping gifts. 224 00:14:04,758 --> 00:14:09,178 All of a sudden, I looked up and there was Lisa outside 225 00:14:09,176 --> 00:14:12,766 just really in a bad state. 226 00:14:12,770 --> 00:14:16,210 She thought our dogs were devils. 227 00:14:16,205 --> 00:14:19,355 She broke a clock because she thought it was a time bomb. 228 00:14:19,362 --> 00:14:21,472 I had to have the police come out, 229 00:14:21,474 --> 00:14:23,564 but before they would admit her, 230 00:14:23,564 --> 00:14:25,514 she had to have a court order to get in 231 00:14:25,514 --> 00:14:27,314 because she'd been in and out 232 00:14:27,306 --> 00:14:29,596 of the crisis so many times. 233 00:14:31,939 --> 00:14:33,719 - Being a schizophrenic is like 234 00:14:33,716 --> 00:14:38,206 watching TV and having 44 channels on at the same time, 235 00:14:38,213 --> 00:14:41,723 and that's her environment 24/7. 236 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,160 You know, there's just like little noises here, 237 00:14:44,158 --> 00:14:47,308 something there, and I'm trying to talk here, 238 00:14:47,306 --> 00:14:49,496 but that's distracting me, that's distracting me, 239 00:14:49,502 --> 00:14:50,942 and it's all equal. 240 00:14:52,219 --> 00:14:53,759 That would freak anybody out. 241 00:14:53,755 --> 00:14:56,435 (water splashes) 242 00:15:01,783 --> 00:15:04,923 (thunder crashes) 243 00:15:06,712 --> 00:15:08,942 - She graduated from house to house 244 00:15:08,941 --> 00:15:12,491 to a home where there was constant care 245 00:15:12,493 --> 00:15:15,793 and finally to independent living 246 00:15:15,788 --> 00:15:17,548 for about 15 years. 247 00:15:17,548 --> 00:15:18,648 - That place was great. - [Rachel] And she had 248 00:15:18,647 --> 00:15:20,317 her own room and she had 249 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,920 a very nice situation there, she liked it there. 250 00:15:22,924 --> 00:15:25,234 - But one of her roommates there, right, 251 00:15:25,231 --> 00:15:26,321 jumped off the bridge too? 252 00:15:26,316 --> 00:15:28,146 - Well, no, this was a friend that-- 253 00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:29,170 - A friend. 254 00:15:29,169 --> 00:15:30,419 - A friend of hers. 255 00:15:30,417 --> 00:15:31,867 - Two years ago? 256 00:15:31,867 --> 00:15:32,747 - Oh, no, it's longer 257 00:15:32,747 --> 00:15:33,497 than that. - [Sara] Longer than that. 258 00:15:33,502 --> 00:15:34,782 - Much longer. 259 00:15:35,966 --> 00:15:39,476 - As far as pills and other forms of suicide, 260 00:15:39,481 --> 00:15:43,541 I haven't personally experienced that in my houses. 261 00:15:43,544 --> 00:15:46,754 It's like the last three people, I think, 262 00:15:46,753 --> 00:15:49,093 who I was kind of close to in Buckaloo 263 00:15:49,089 --> 00:15:51,319 were all bridge jumpers. 264 00:15:51,318 --> 00:15:56,018 (tense ambient music) 265 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,210 - [Tara] After she settled in in Marin-- 266 00:16:04,211 --> 00:16:05,141 - [Rachel] She did well there. - [Tara] She was pretty 267 00:16:05,139 --> 00:16:07,659 stable, then all of a sudden this past year, 268 00:16:07,664 --> 00:16:11,154 she just felt she needed more support for some reason. 269 00:16:11,152 --> 00:16:13,642 Do you think that was the medication change? 270 00:16:13,644 --> 00:16:15,604 - No, I think it was because she was ill. 271 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,560 - Okay, she wasn't feeling good. 272 00:16:18,979 --> 00:16:20,809 - [Rachel] Her teeth were just so rotted 273 00:16:20,805 --> 00:16:22,945 and they felt it was from medication 274 00:16:22,948 --> 00:16:25,198 and from drinking a lot of Coke. 275 00:16:25,199 --> 00:16:27,749 So she had to have all her teeth removed. 276 00:16:27,748 --> 00:16:28,658 So that was-- - [Tara] She looked kinda 277 00:16:28,655 --> 00:16:30,625 funny walking around with no teeth. 278 00:16:30,628 --> 00:16:33,768 - That was a problem, too. 279 00:16:33,769 --> 00:16:36,859 It was just from then on downhill. 280 00:16:36,858 --> 00:16:41,698 (foghorn blares) 281 00:16:43,682 --> 00:16:45,632 - [Voiceover] Okay, everyone, let's stay together. 282 00:16:45,634 --> 00:16:48,594 The Golden Gate Bridge was designed by Joseph Strauss. 283 00:16:48,588 --> 00:16:51,388 It opened in 1937. 284 00:16:51,393 --> 00:16:53,843 Each year, about nine million tourists 285 00:16:53,836 --> 00:16:55,596 come to visit and they enjoy-- 286 00:16:55,596 --> 00:16:58,336 - Well, we went for Easter vacation 287 00:16:58,338 --> 00:17:01,258 to take out the kids to San Francisco, 288 00:17:01,256 --> 00:17:04,646 and before going to the Alcatraz, 289 00:17:04,646 --> 00:17:06,816 before going to the Golden Bridge, 290 00:17:06,821 --> 00:17:10,691 we went to Alcatraz and we went to 291 00:17:10,693 --> 00:17:14,613 the Pier 39 and from there we took a walk 292 00:17:14,608 --> 00:17:16,368 to the Golden Gate. 293 00:17:16,367 --> 00:17:20,067 (cars rushing) 294 00:17:21,581 --> 00:17:22,971 - [Rachel] We had a big dinner on-- 295 00:17:22,967 --> 00:17:23,847 - [Tara] The week before Easter. 296 00:17:23,852 --> 00:17:26,222 - The week before, yep, Palm Sunday. 297 00:17:26,220 --> 00:17:27,800 So I said, "Lisa, I'm not gonna fix 298 00:17:27,799 --> 00:17:29,749 "a big dinner on Easter Sunday." 299 00:17:29,751 --> 00:17:32,341 The kids weren't going to be around. 300 00:17:32,340 --> 00:17:33,420 So a few-- 301 00:17:33,420 --> 00:17:35,360 - Except that was a tradition in our family 302 00:17:35,362 --> 00:17:37,052 to get together. 303 00:17:37,046 --> 00:17:38,466 - Well, she didn't seem to mind. 304 00:17:38,465 --> 00:17:40,895 She never objected. 305 00:17:40,897 --> 00:17:44,187 So I called her about 1 o'clock on, 306 00:17:44,190 --> 00:17:45,610 she didn't feel good that week, 307 00:17:45,609 --> 00:17:47,539 she still didn't go to work, 308 00:17:47,539 --> 00:17:49,829 and so I said, "Well, I guess I could come down, 309 00:17:49,833 --> 00:17:52,803 "but I don't know what I can do." 310 00:17:57,606 --> 00:18:01,576 - Lisa was so quiet and, oftentimes, had this, 311 00:18:01,584 --> 00:18:03,734 I don't know how you'd say it, poker face? 312 00:18:03,726 --> 00:18:06,946 Where she kept her feelings to herself. 313 00:18:06,948 --> 00:18:09,318 She wasn't one to, you know, 314 00:18:09,318 --> 00:18:11,868 get all emotional and which surprised me 315 00:18:11,865 --> 00:18:15,135 'cause I look back now at Mira Woods. 316 00:18:15,139 --> 00:18:16,839 We were walking down the little trail 317 00:18:16,843 --> 00:18:20,043 and there was this huge redwood tree 318 00:18:20,043 --> 00:18:22,353 lying in the middle of the path 319 00:18:22,347 --> 00:18:23,507 and she looked at it and she goes, 320 00:18:23,509 --> 00:18:25,279 "Wow, look at that!" 321 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,060 And sounds like no big deal 322 00:18:27,061 --> 00:18:29,711 but for Lisa that was like, 323 00:18:29,707 --> 00:18:31,287 that was different. 324 00:18:31,285 --> 00:18:33,365 - And then she came home, 325 00:18:33,372 --> 00:18:34,452 and I guess she was hungry 326 00:18:34,452 --> 00:18:36,272 and she asked a girl there, 327 00:18:36,266 --> 00:18:37,676 "Did you fix dinner?" 328 00:18:37,684 --> 00:18:39,054 And they said, "No." 329 00:18:39,050 --> 00:18:40,840 And so then they said she was very quiet 330 00:18:40,841 --> 00:18:43,351 and she got in the freezer and took something out 331 00:18:43,346 --> 00:18:47,586 and fixed it herself and after she had then eaten, 332 00:18:47,593 --> 00:18:50,833 they said she was very quiet when she was eating, 333 00:18:50,825 --> 00:18:53,705 she got up and took her purse and her jacket 334 00:18:53,705 --> 00:18:55,955 and off she went 335 00:18:55,955 --> 00:18:58,065 and that's the last they saw her. 336 00:18:58,067 --> 00:19:02,797 (soft ambient music) 337 00:19:05,489 --> 00:19:08,559 - We were taking pictures of each other, 338 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,130 and I was taking pictures to them, 339 00:19:11,131 --> 00:19:14,011 and Paulo was taking pictures to us, 340 00:19:14,013 --> 00:19:16,833 and they were playing and-- 341 00:19:16,827 --> 00:19:18,187 - And I got scared. - [Mother] He was holding 342 00:19:18,192 --> 00:19:22,772 the baby and we were walking and-- 343 00:19:22,774 --> 00:19:24,924 - And we saw that lady. 344 00:19:24,919 --> 00:19:26,809 - The lady, yes, put the-- 345 00:19:26,812 --> 00:19:28,142 - The bag on the ground 346 00:19:28,140 --> 00:19:30,000 and she jumped off. 347 00:19:30,004 --> 00:19:32,464 - [Mother] But I said, "She jumped, she jumped!" 348 00:19:32,457 --> 00:19:33,327 And I was like-- 349 00:19:33,332 --> 00:19:36,282 - [Older Boy] And she told my brother 350 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,340 to go call the cops. 351 00:19:38,342 --> 00:19:41,562 - Well, Paulo went running down to get some help 352 00:19:41,563 --> 00:19:43,703 because I wanted somebody to help her 353 00:19:43,696 --> 00:19:46,036 because for us it was the first time 354 00:19:46,043 --> 00:19:49,493 to see somebody jump off the bridge. 355 00:19:49,493 --> 00:19:51,113 (speaking in Spanish) 356 00:19:51,109 --> 00:19:53,239 And before she jump, 357 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,240 she look at me and Vidarlan. 358 00:19:55,235 --> 00:19:56,555 She was laughing. 359 00:19:56,557 --> 00:19:58,667 She laugh like a smile like 360 00:19:58,669 --> 00:20:02,379 you don't know what I do, but she smile and jump. 361 00:20:04,265 --> 00:20:07,625 - Like she was acting like, 362 00:20:07,633 --> 00:20:09,323 like a gorilla or something. 363 00:20:09,318 --> 00:20:11,898 - Ay, Sebastian. 364 00:20:11,900 --> 00:20:13,660 No, that's not it. (laughs) 365 00:20:13,659 --> 00:20:16,789 He likes to make things up. 366 00:20:18,245 --> 00:20:22,835 (somber ambient music) 367 00:20:25,562 --> 00:20:29,572 - I'm not 100% convinced that she did commit suicide. 368 00:20:29,571 --> 00:20:32,201 I don't know if someone had accompanied her 369 00:20:32,196 --> 00:20:33,706 to the Golden Gate Bridge 370 00:20:33,711 --> 00:20:36,101 and had encouraged her to jump. 371 00:20:36,100 --> 00:20:39,870 I don't know if someone had been pressuring her 372 00:20:39,865 --> 00:20:42,185 to go to the Golden Gate Bridge and jump 373 00:20:42,190 --> 00:20:46,450 and, certainly, it is a highly risky 374 00:20:46,447 --> 00:20:50,077 rather glorious way 375 00:20:50,075 --> 00:20:53,105 to draw attention to oneself. 376 00:20:56,660 --> 00:20:59,370 - My brother's very religious. 377 00:20:59,366 --> 00:21:01,666 He doesn't believe she committed suicide. 378 00:21:01,674 --> 00:21:03,374 He thinks it's something else. 379 00:21:03,370 --> 00:21:04,760 I don't know what he thinks. 380 00:21:04,757 --> 00:21:05,827 - I didn't know that. 381 00:21:05,834 --> 00:21:08,554 - Well, he won't call it that because 382 00:21:08,554 --> 00:21:11,184 it's a sin to commit suicide in his mind 383 00:21:11,177 --> 00:21:13,817 and that's not what she did. 384 00:21:13,817 --> 00:21:15,897 She fell or something, I don't know what he, 385 00:21:15,903 --> 00:21:20,273 he's coming up with different justifications so 386 00:21:20,268 --> 00:21:21,198 he can look at it-- - [Rachel] He doesn't talk 387 00:21:21,204 --> 00:21:23,334 to me like that, so. 388 00:21:24,788 --> 00:21:27,918 - Thing is, if you go stand on that bridge and look down, 389 00:21:27,922 --> 00:21:29,922 the amount of guts that you have to have 390 00:21:29,923 --> 00:21:33,413 to stick anything over that rail, 391 00:21:33,409 --> 00:21:36,729 it must have been incredible, the pressure on her, 392 00:21:36,728 --> 00:21:39,668 it had to be worse than the thought of doing that, 393 00:21:39,665 --> 00:21:42,135 and I've always thought of myself 394 00:21:42,136 --> 00:21:43,706 as a stronger person than her 395 00:21:43,714 --> 00:21:46,484 and there's no way I would have the guts to do that 396 00:21:46,477 --> 00:21:49,387 even with, you know, a parachute or something, 397 00:21:49,389 --> 00:21:52,679 and for her to just do it just like that, 398 00:21:52,676 --> 00:21:55,666 it was like, I still can't believe it. 399 00:21:55,671 --> 00:21:58,461 My family, my husband, my kids, 400 00:21:58,464 --> 00:22:01,954 we're like, how did she even think about doing that? 401 00:22:01,951 --> 00:22:06,201 - I think it was a relief, a relief for her, 402 00:22:06,196 --> 00:22:09,326 because she knew she probably never would be 403 00:22:09,331 --> 00:22:11,701 physically well again and she knew 404 00:22:11,699 --> 00:22:13,829 she had the mental illness 405 00:22:13,832 --> 00:22:17,322 and she was just at the end of her rope. 406 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,200 There were too many things, so. 407 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:21,210 - Yeah, I agree with that but it's-- 408 00:22:21,213 --> 00:22:24,163 - She's in a better place, that's all I can say. 409 00:22:24,159 --> 00:22:26,829 - You have to look at it that way. 410 00:22:26,825 --> 00:22:28,065 You know. 411 00:22:44,155 --> 00:22:47,165 ♫ In this darkest hour 412 00:22:47,173 --> 00:22:51,213 ♫ A brave face will break soon 413 00:22:56,037 --> 00:22:59,607 ♫ The world waits for you 414 00:23:02,127 --> 00:23:03,167 ♫ The world waits ♫ 415 00:23:03,172 --> 00:23:04,682 - Yeah, I try and relive, you know, 416 00:23:04,676 --> 00:23:06,516 when doing some things, say this is 417 00:23:06,517 --> 00:23:10,877 something Philip likes or my son would like this or, 418 00:23:10,881 --> 00:23:14,271 he still lives with me, you know. 419 00:23:14,268 --> 00:23:16,968 I go somewhere, a ballgame or something, 420 00:23:16,966 --> 00:23:18,316 he's there. 421 00:23:20,555 --> 00:23:22,765 And then 422 00:23:22,771 --> 00:23:25,961 I think I'm getting more of an understanding 423 00:23:25,961 --> 00:23:29,401 what he went through toward the end 424 00:23:29,396 --> 00:23:31,616 'cause you feel the same way, it's just, 425 00:23:31,618 --> 00:23:34,398 you know, what makes any of us go over that line? 426 00:23:37,130 --> 00:23:38,240 It's just 427 00:23:39,844 --> 00:23:42,134 some days you think like that yourself. 428 00:23:42,127 --> 00:23:44,967 It's just he thought about it every day. 429 00:23:50,532 --> 00:23:54,662 - [Mary] What makes a person be able to do that? 430 00:23:54,660 --> 00:23:57,850 I don't know, I don't have the answer to that. 431 00:23:57,846 --> 00:24:00,246 - [Wally] Well, it's like any pain. 432 00:24:00,246 --> 00:24:02,636 When it becomes unbearable, 433 00:24:02,635 --> 00:24:05,375 you'll do anything and it's like physical cancer, 434 00:24:05,376 --> 00:24:09,696 I mean, if you have cancer of the mind, 435 00:24:09,703 --> 00:24:12,793 you know, nobody knows what you're going through. 436 00:24:18,112 --> 00:24:22,082 - I mean, it was like our hands being tied. 437 00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:24,839 I mean, no matter how much we talk to him, 438 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,630 I mean, he was in and out of the hospital, 439 00:24:26,634 --> 00:24:29,274 the doctors talked to him and 440 00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:34,710 it was like nothing would change his mind. 441 00:24:37,051 --> 00:24:39,601 In fact, I think the medicines made him worse. 442 00:24:40,911 --> 00:24:44,391 - We thought if we can get him through his episodes, 443 00:24:44,394 --> 00:24:45,584 but that's the crazy thing is 444 00:24:45,583 --> 00:24:49,003 as soon as you get somebody strong enough, 445 00:24:49,004 --> 00:24:50,994 that's when they have the courage. 446 00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:56,919 So do you make 'em well or do you keep 'em sick? 447 00:25:02,033 --> 00:25:03,143 He tried it a few times 448 00:25:03,142 --> 00:25:05,952 but the second attempt he said, 449 00:25:05,947 --> 00:25:07,847 "My third attempt, it's not gonna fail." 450 00:25:07,854 --> 00:25:09,754 He said, "I'll make sure of it." 451 00:25:11,753 --> 00:25:14,793 He researched it and found the Golden Gate Bridge 452 00:25:14,793 --> 00:25:16,493 on the internet. 453 00:25:16,490 --> 00:25:18,850 He said to him it was the best way. 454 00:25:20,370 --> 00:25:22,320 I mean, it was planned out for months 455 00:25:22,322 --> 00:25:23,942 and the final two weeks 456 00:25:23,943 --> 00:25:27,543 he was making his last preparations, so. 457 00:25:29,169 --> 00:25:30,789 He said whether some people believe 458 00:25:30,791 --> 00:25:33,441 suicide's a sin or not. 459 00:25:33,444 --> 00:25:35,064 He asked that a lot. 460 00:25:36,716 --> 00:25:38,966 I said, "It's something man made up." 461 00:25:40,823 --> 00:25:44,713 And at least he thanked me for telling him the truth. 462 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,449 You know, I don't know. 463 00:25:48,452 --> 00:25:51,632 It's just I don't think God's gonna hold you responsible 464 00:25:51,631 --> 00:25:54,631 for something you can't handle, 465 00:25:54,628 --> 00:25:56,928 and he said, "Well, whether I come back or not," 466 00:25:56,932 --> 00:25:59,952 he says, "If I do, I'll see ya again, Dad. 467 00:25:59,948 --> 00:26:02,888 "If not, just know that I'm at peace." 468 00:26:02,891 --> 00:26:07,741 (somber piano music) 469 00:26:14,932 --> 00:26:16,052 What I'm trying to say is that 470 00:26:16,053 --> 00:26:17,333 I didn't want him to feel like 471 00:26:17,333 --> 00:26:19,843 he was in a cage inside of himself. 472 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,680 Some people say the body's a temple. 473 00:26:22,677 --> 00:26:26,807 Well, he thought his body was prison in his mind. 474 00:26:26,805 --> 00:26:28,125 He knew he was loved. 475 00:26:28,127 --> 00:26:29,357 He knew he had everything, 476 00:26:29,364 --> 00:26:32,104 could do anything, and yet 477 00:26:32,095 --> 00:26:33,545 he felt trapped. 478 00:26:35,101 --> 00:26:37,391 That was the only way he could get free. 479 00:26:38,812 --> 00:26:43,682 (soft ambient music) 480 00:26:50,556 --> 00:26:52,856 (truck horn honks) 481 00:26:54,747 --> 00:26:57,507 - [Voiceover] Gene was very overly dramatic. 482 00:26:57,510 --> 00:27:00,920 - Even the simplest things were very long and drawn out 483 00:27:00,923 --> 00:27:03,703 and very hard and he would always say things like, 484 00:27:03,695 --> 00:27:05,335 "Kill me now." 485 00:27:05,339 --> 00:27:08,149 You'd be talking about something and ask him,, 486 00:27:08,153 --> 00:27:09,103 "What do you want for breakfast?" 487 00:27:09,101 --> 00:27:10,951 "Oh, I don't care, just kill me." 488 00:27:12,373 --> 00:27:13,313 "Okay, well, you know, 489 00:27:13,309 --> 00:27:14,909 "where do you wanna go to look for a job today?" 490 00:27:14,909 --> 00:27:17,179 "I don't care, it's not gonna matter, just kill me." 491 00:27:17,181 --> 00:27:19,331 - Yeah, "Might be easier for you to just kill me." 492 00:27:19,325 --> 00:27:21,585 - You didn't take him serious if he said certain things 493 00:27:21,586 --> 00:27:23,836 because he would almost say it in a joking manner. 494 00:27:23,837 --> 00:27:27,947 He wouldn't say it with, like, this intensity of, 495 00:27:27,951 --> 00:27:29,731 you know, like, "I'm gonna do it this time," 496 00:27:29,732 --> 00:27:32,412 and he wasn't that person. 497 00:27:32,409 --> 00:27:33,809 He would make light of it and he was like, 498 00:27:33,807 --> 00:27:35,477 "Man, I'm gonna just commit suicide. 499 00:27:35,481 --> 00:27:37,501 "I'm gonna just shoot myself. 500 00:27:37,497 --> 00:27:39,747 "I'm gonna do it with a bow and arrow." 501 00:27:39,754 --> 00:27:41,444 And when he would say this stuff, 502 00:27:41,443 --> 00:27:42,373 we were just like, "Yeah, whatever," 503 00:27:42,371 --> 00:27:44,351 and years and years and years would go by 504 00:27:44,345 --> 00:27:46,955 as he's crying wolf. 505 00:27:50,816 --> 00:27:54,636 - But he was still fun to be around. (laughs) 506 00:27:54,641 --> 00:27:55,961 When I hear myself saying it, 507 00:27:55,957 --> 00:27:57,377 it sounds like he wasn't fun. 508 00:27:57,376 --> 00:27:58,526 I mean, he was fun to be around. 509 00:27:58,528 --> 00:27:59,318 He was fun to go out with 510 00:27:59,317 --> 00:28:01,997 and go to the clubs with and stuff. 511 00:28:01,996 --> 00:28:04,196 He would just get in those little funks 512 00:28:04,202 --> 00:28:05,642 and pretty soon it was 513 00:28:07,327 --> 00:28:10,517 just like I didn't even pay it any attention. 514 00:28:10,516 --> 00:28:12,546 It was just something he said. 515 00:28:12,553 --> 00:28:15,483 All the time in every conversation. 516 00:28:18,033 --> 00:28:18,963 - [Voiceover] If everyone onboard 517 00:28:18,961 --> 00:28:21,381 could take their seats as we go under the bridge. 518 00:28:21,382 --> 00:28:25,462 The swells and tides are very unpredictable. 519 00:28:25,458 --> 00:28:29,048 The Golden Gate Bridge is 1.2 miles long 520 00:28:29,048 --> 00:28:32,718 and the towers are 746 feet tall. 521 00:28:32,717 --> 00:28:35,417 The roadway is suspended 220 feet 522 00:28:35,416 --> 00:28:37,756 above the water at center span. 523 00:28:39,592 --> 00:28:41,732 The Golden Gate Bridge is the most photographed 524 00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:44,460 manmade structure in North America 525 00:28:44,458 --> 00:28:45,648 and it is also considered 526 00:28:45,648 --> 00:28:48,568 one of the Seven Wonders of the Modern World. 527 00:28:51,035 --> 00:28:53,225 - We had gone to Montana, Glacier National Park, 528 00:28:53,229 --> 00:28:56,729 the year before and Philip had a blast there. 529 00:28:56,725 --> 00:28:58,635 We told him if he got outta the army in time, 530 00:28:58,642 --> 00:29:00,952 which he did, that we were going back there 531 00:29:00,946 --> 00:29:04,476 and they had those forest fires and so 532 00:29:04,475 --> 00:29:07,775 we couldn't get in so I had been to San Francisco before 533 00:29:07,781 --> 00:29:09,391 and I said, "You'll love it there," 534 00:29:09,389 --> 00:29:11,609 and the bridge fascinated him. 535 00:29:11,610 --> 00:29:13,210 - For some reason, yeah, 536 00:29:13,210 --> 00:29:14,440 when we were driving across the bridge, 537 00:29:14,436 --> 00:29:17,406 he just kept looking around and 538 00:29:17,405 --> 00:29:19,335 I just thought it was kind of odd, 539 00:29:19,340 --> 00:29:20,620 you know, that he would just be, 540 00:29:20,620 --> 00:29:22,450 and he wanted to get out. 541 00:29:22,452 --> 00:29:24,102 He says, "Can we walk along the bridge?" 542 00:29:24,097 --> 00:29:26,887 And I says, "I guess there are people who could 543 00:29:26,891 --> 00:29:27,911 "walk along the bridge." 544 00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:29,539 - [Wally] Yeah, we were on a tour bus. 545 00:29:29,540 --> 00:29:32,050 - [Mary] Yeah, I said, "But, you know, we can't get out now" 546 00:29:32,047 --> 00:29:36,777 and he just kept looking out the window 547 00:29:36,783 --> 00:29:40,013 like he wanted to get out and just look around and 548 00:29:43,428 --> 00:29:46,488 you know, he thought it was just so beautiful and 549 00:29:46,489 --> 00:29:47,869 when we did get out of the bus 550 00:29:47,865 --> 00:29:50,685 and he wanted his picture taken a few times 551 00:29:50,685 --> 00:29:53,705 with the bridge in the background and... 552 00:29:54,619 --> 00:29:55,239 - [Wally] He'd ask questions. 553 00:29:55,244 --> 00:29:56,594 "How deep do you think it is? 554 00:29:56,588 --> 00:29:58,998 "How high do you think it is?" 555 00:30:02,374 --> 00:30:04,194 - I mean, I like the bridge too, 556 00:30:04,188 --> 00:30:06,958 but he just seemed so fascinated by it 557 00:30:06,961 --> 00:30:10,791 and I just thought that was kinda odd 558 00:30:10,793 --> 00:30:13,653 to have such a fascination with it. 559 00:30:13,652 --> 00:30:15,242 I don't know, it was like 560 00:30:15,244 --> 00:30:17,424 almost calling him (laughs) type thing. 561 00:30:17,418 --> 00:30:20,908 It was like magnetic to him. 562 00:30:20,906 --> 00:30:21,966 - Yeah. 563 00:30:23,911 --> 00:30:25,251 - I don't know. 564 00:30:28,966 --> 00:30:31,346 - [Wally] We thought he might go and live out there. 565 00:30:31,345 --> 00:30:35,115 Even if he's homeless, at least it's a city he loves. 566 00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:36,539 'Cause he was homeless in Texas, 567 00:30:36,535 --> 00:30:38,395 lived out of his car. 568 00:30:38,401 --> 00:30:41,901 Met two girls online, went down twice. 569 00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:43,310 Those didn't work. 570 00:30:44,852 --> 00:30:47,992 - He always fell in love with the wrong person. 571 00:30:47,991 --> 00:30:50,541 I think everything just disillusioned him. 572 00:30:50,537 --> 00:30:54,427 He had this idealistic view of things 573 00:30:54,430 --> 00:30:59,400 and this perception of how everything should be 574 00:30:59,398 --> 00:31:03,868 and then when it didn't meet up to his expectations, 575 00:31:03,869 --> 00:31:06,759 after awhile, it was like, what's the point then? 576 00:31:10,010 --> 00:31:12,330 - [Wally] But he still had to make a choice. 577 00:31:14,573 --> 00:31:16,333 (water splashes) 578 00:31:16,333 --> 00:31:20,703 (soft ambient music) 579 00:31:20,704 --> 00:31:24,894 - Gene's choice, his preference had been made years before. 580 00:31:24,885 --> 00:31:27,325 He became increasingly alienated 581 00:31:27,327 --> 00:31:29,917 and he had told his mother that 582 00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:31,889 he wanted to kill himself 583 00:31:31,892 --> 00:31:34,552 and she, in essence, had told him, 584 00:31:34,546 --> 00:31:38,206 "I didn't invest a lifetime in you to have you 585 00:31:38,209 --> 00:31:41,869 "die on me, kill yourself, and walk away. 586 00:31:41,874 --> 00:31:45,494 "You don't have a right to do that while I'm alive." 587 00:31:48,708 --> 00:31:50,938 And I think it was very hard for him 588 00:31:50,937 --> 00:31:55,667 to watch his mother's non-participation 589 00:31:55,673 --> 00:31:59,023 in a battle with cancer that she might have won. 590 00:32:00,188 --> 00:32:02,588 It was a choice on her part. 591 00:32:04,128 --> 00:32:05,978 - When I talked to him, 592 00:32:05,984 --> 00:32:09,064 he was acting as if life goes on, 593 00:32:09,062 --> 00:32:11,942 you know, type situation 594 00:32:11,941 --> 00:32:15,111 and I would always tell him I'm here for you, 595 00:32:15,112 --> 00:32:17,182 you still got family no matter what. 596 00:32:19,021 --> 00:32:21,221 I'm a brother from another mother. 597 00:32:21,221 --> 00:32:24,451 - He said to me after she was gone 598 00:32:24,451 --> 00:32:27,981 and there was a lot of stuff to clean up, 599 00:32:27,978 --> 00:32:31,688 and he said, "Well, now I can finally, 600 00:32:31,686 --> 00:32:34,356 "now I can finally end it all." 601 00:32:34,363 --> 00:32:36,833 And I looked at him and I said, 602 00:32:36,827 --> 00:32:39,847 "Well, you will promise me 603 00:32:39,845 --> 00:32:43,315 "that you will not go without saying goodbye." 604 00:32:43,321 --> 00:32:47,091 (waves crashing) 605 00:32:47,086 --> 00:32:50,756 (seagulls chirping) 606 00:32:52,301 --> 00:32:54,311 - [Wally] I remember coming home, 607 00:32:54,307 --> 00:32:56,417 because Thursday night's garbage day 608 00:32:56,418 --> 00:32:57,878 and Friday's recycling day, 609 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,480 and Philip even did that before he left. 610 00:33:00,482 --> 00:33:03,152 He took the recycling things out to the curb 611 00:33:03,149 --> 00:33:06,059 and I came home that Friday 612 00:33:06,063 --> 00:33:08,423 and they were empty and I said, 613 00:33:08,415 --> 00:33:10,125 "Oh, that's unusual for him not to bring 614 00:33:10,132 --> 00:33:11,702 "the buckets back in." 615 00:33:13,105 --> 00:33:14,345 And when I came in the house 616 00:33:14,353 --> 00:33:16,473 and as soon as she said, "Where's Philip? 617 00:33:16,465 --> 00:33:17,555 "Isn't he with you?" 618 00:33:17,564 --> 00:33:20,784 and I was like, he did it, I knew. 619 00:33:21,787 --> 00:33:24,087 (seagulls crying) 620 00:33:24,089 --> 00:33:28,139 And here's the hard part for me. 621 00:33:28,135 --> 00:33:30,655 I had a feeling it was going to be in San Francisco 622 00:33:30,662 --> 00:33:33,862 but I said, if he's in San Francisco 623 00:33:33,859 --> 00:33:36,259 and I call the police to stop him, 624 00:33:36,257 --> 00:33:39,137 if I have time yet, 625 00:33:39,140 --> 00:33:41,330 that he's gonna just hang himself 626 00:33:41,327 --> 00:33:44,627 or have the policemen shoot him, 627 00:33:44,631 --> 00:33:47,201 and I said if he's that determined, 628 00:33:47,201 --> 00:33:49,761 I have to let him go, 629 00:33:49,761 --> 00:33:52,031 but when she asked me, I said, "No, 630 00:33:52,033 --> 00:33:55,183 "he's not coming home" and 631 00:33:55,177 --> 00:33:59,187 from the death certificate, he was already done. 632 00:33:59,185 --> 00:34:00,585 It's just waiting for the policemen 633 00:34:00,593 --> 00:34:02,133 to show up at the door. 634 00:34:02,129 --> 00:34:06,909 (somber ambient music) 635 00:34:19,248 --> 00:34:20,878 - [Voiceover] We just came around the corner 636 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,340 after snapping a shot of San Francisco in the backdrop 637 00:34:25,338 --> 00:34:26,428 and he was right there. 638 00:34:26,426 --> 00:34:28,326 - [Voiceover] Yeah, sorta surprised him. 639 00:34:28,333 --> 00:34:29,983 - [Voiceover] Yeah, we startled him. 640 00:34:29,976 --> 00:34:31,396 - [Voiceover] Came up upon him. 641 00:34:31,402 --> 00:34:33,692 - He was taking off his backpack. 642 00:34:33,691 --> 00:34:36,001 In hindsight, he was probably getting ready to jump, 643 00:34:35,995 --> 00:34:38,795 then put back his backpack on really quickly 644 00:34:38,795 --> 00:34:41,745 and acted nervous and we interrupted him. 645 00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:44,920 We interrupted him from jumping 646 00:34:44,916 --> 00:34:47,856 and you spoke with him 647 00:34:47,859 --> 00:34:50,129 'cause you noticed something odd. 648 00:34:50,125 --> 00:34:51,835 - Yeah, just his whole body language, 649 00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:54,329 his whole energy was just a bit off. 650 00:34:54,334 --> 00:34:55,834 He was definitely nervous 651 00:34:55,834 --> 00:34:57,794 and he had a, was shuffling his shoulder 652 00:34:57,786 --> 00:35:00,706 and I initially picked up on that 653 00:35:00,707 --> 00:35:02,727 and said, "Are you okay? 654 00:35:02,734 --> 00:35:04,334 "What's going on?" 655 00:35:04,333 --> 00:35:06,093 And at that point, 656 00:35:06,093 --> 00:35:08,403 he made brief eye contact. 657 00:35:08,397 --> 00:35:09,327 - Well-dressed guy. 658 00:35:09,325 --> 00:35:10,155 - Yeah. 659 00:35:10,157 --> 00:35:12,207 - Brief eye contact, too, he was very nervous. 660 00:35:12,205 --> 00:35:13,755 He wouldn't look you in the eye for very long 661 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,500 and just kept darting away, looking away. 662 00:35:18,481 --> 00:35:20,901 And his biggest concern when he ask him, 663 00:35:20,896 --> 00:35:23,046 "Are you all right?" 664 00:35:23,052 --> 00:35:26,292 He said, "It's a long way down to the water." 665 00:35:26,293 --> 00:35:27,683 - No, he said, "It's a long way down." 666 00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:28,979 - "Long way down," right. 667 00:35:28,980 --> 00:35:31,440 - And I didn't know how to quite take that 668 00:35:31,444 --> 00:35:34,744 when I heard him say that, 669 00:35:34,736 --> 00:35:36,716 and I didn't know if I heard him correctly. 670 00:35:36,715 --> 00:35:37,665 I thought maybe he had meant 671 00:35:37,673 --> 00:35:39,323 it's a long way back to the other side of the bridge 672 00:35:39,315 --> 00:35:41,425 and here I am thinking, well, you're three quarters 673 00:35:41,427 --> 00:35:43,657 of the way, you're close, 674 00:35:43,656 --> 00:35:46,176 and, of course, that wasn't the case. 675 00:35:46,184 --> 00:35:47,804 - [Steve] And we didn't see him jump. 676 00:35:47,795 --> 00:35:49,265 Did not see him jump. 677 00:35:54,651 --> 00:35:56,431 (water splashes) 678 00:35:58,096 --> 00:36:00,736 (birds chirping) 679 00:36:04,453 --> 00:36:05,673 - [Wally] For me, he said he was just gonna 680 00:36:05,669 --> 00:36:08,319 go down so deep that even if he changed his mind, 681 00:36:08,316 --> 00:36:09,396 he couldn't swim to the top, 682 00:36:09,404 --> 00:36:12,734 but the coroner said it was over instantly. 683 00:36:12,725 --> 00:36:15,025 (water splashes) 684 00:36:19,914 --> 00:36:23,074 - [Mary] Boy, imagine what this looks like to people. 685 00:36:23,068 --> 00:36:24,568 They probably look at us and say, 686 00:36:24,571 --> 00:36:26,401 "What kind of mother and father were they?" 687 00:36:26,404 --> 00:36:28,154 - [Wally] Yeah. 688 00:36:28,148 --> 00:36:30,308 - I wasn't perfect. 689 00:36:30,314 --> 00:36:33,674 But, I mean, I don't think it was such a terrible mother. 690 00:36:37,293 --> 00:36:40,743 And then I remember Sharon said to me, 691 00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:43,610 "You know, it's not all about you. 692 00:36:43,608 --> 00:36:45,668 "It has nothing to do with you." 693 00:36:49,565 --> 00:36:52,485 - Yeah, I mean, I was raised in a family, dysfunctional-- 694 00:36:52,487 --> 00:36:54,117 - I mean, yeah, so was I. 695 00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:56,879 - My father was alcoholic, hers was alcoholic. 696 00:36:56,882 --> 00:36:58,972 They fought like cats and dogs, you know, 697 00:36:58,967 --> 00:37:02,627 and the abuse and I should be an alcoholic. 698 00:37:02,629 --> 00:37:04,829 I should be a serial killer, you know. 699 00:37:06,648 --> 00:37:09,718 You think you are raising your family to be 700 00:37:09,721 --> 00:37:12,341 religious or whatever and you try and do the best 701 00:37:12,340 --> 00:37:16,580 but you wind up doing more things that are harmful 702 00:37:16,575 --> 00:37:18,315 and then when you try and fix 'em, 703 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,840 it might be too late. 704 00:37:21,773 --> 00:37:25,483 And it's like, well, no matter what you do good or bad, 705 00:37:25,478 --> 00:37:27,198 things are gonna happen. 706 00:37:29,070 --> 00:37:32,570 And he said, "If you and Mom, who I love, 707 00:37:32,568 --> 00:37:33,828 "are having problems, 708 00:37:33,827 --> 00:37:36,357 "what hope is there for me?" 709 00:37:36,363 --> 00:37:38,423 He says, "I think you love me the most 710 00:37:38,421 --> 00:37:40,911 "and tried your best," and he said, 711 00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:43,310 "If you're having problems, 712 00:37:43,307 --> 00:37:45,527 "there's no way I can make it." 713 00:37:48,512 --> 00:37:53,512 (sad ambient music) 714 00:37:55,283 --> 00:37:57,033 - Yeah. 715 00:37:57,033 --> 00:37:59,493 Took a lot of pictures while he was on the bridge. 716 00:37:59,493 --> 00:38:00,783 - Yeah. 717 00:38:02,755 --> 00:38:05,665 - He wanted to show what he was seeing. 718 00:38:06,777 --> 00:38:08,327 What he was feeling. 719 00:38:08,332 --> 00:38:13,122 (sad ambient music) 720 00:38:15,584 --> 00:38:20,584 (tense ambient music) 721 00:38:55,418 --> 00:39:00,418 (jittery, playful orchestral music) 722 00:39:47,912 --> 00:39:52,912 (graceful orchestral music) 723 00:40:23,357 --> 00:40:26,097 - I was taking pictures of Alcatraz at the time, 724 00:40:26,098 --> 00:40:27,578 and while I was taking the picture, 725 00:40:27,581 --> 00:40:29,261 I saw like out of the corner of my eye 726 00:40:29,255 --> 00:40:33,355 a girl walking by and she climbed over the rail, 727 00:40:33,364 --> 00:40:35,004 and she did it so smoothly. 728 00:40:35,004 --> 00:40:37,234 It was almost like she was going to a little, 729 00:40:37,231 --> 00:40:39,491 like she had her own little clubhouse. 730 00:40:39,489 --> 00:40:40,769 I don't know, like she was going to 731 00:40:40,769 --> 00:40:43,299 sit on the ledge to like eat lunch. 732 00:40:46,406 --> 00:40:50,206 So I got a couple pictures of her climbing over, 733 00:40:50,214 --> 00:40:51,614 and then I started taking pictures 734 00:40:51,611 --> 00:40:54,141 of her standing on a ledge and I realized that 735 00:40:54,139 --> 00:40:56,949 this girl's about to jump, 736 00:40:56,953 --> 00:40:58,833 but when I was behind the camera, 737 00:40:58,834 --> 00:41:00,624 it was almost like it wasn't real 738 00:41:00,622 --> 00:41:02,772 'cause I was looking through the lens. 739 00:41:04,979 --> 00:41:08,409 I was actually like, I guess I was waiting for her to jump 740 00:41:08,413 --> 00:41:10,093 'cause I thought there's nothing I can do. 741 00:41:10,088 --> 00:41:11,388 It was too late. 742 00:41:16,688 --> 00:41:18,498 Earlier, I was actually staring down 743 00:41:18,501 --> 00:41:20,881 at the ledge at a couple different points on the bridge 744 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,640 and I was just trying to think to myself 745 00:41:23,642 --> 00:41:25,922 what goes through people's minds 746 00:41:25,918 --> 00:41:27,198 whenever they're standing on that ledge 747 00:41:27,202 --> 00:41:28,692 and they're about to jump off, 748 00:41:28,685 --> 00:41:31,325 like what's the last thing that they're thinking of? 749 00:41:31,330 --> 00:41:33,100 Or, like, are they thinking anything at all? 750 00:41:33,101 --> 00:41:35,671 They just had enough and they just go 751 00:41:35,671 --> 00:41:38,771 and that's it, they're gone. 752 00:41:46,209 --> 00:41:48,559 I started yelling out to the girl, 753 00:41:48,558 --> 00:41:50,898 asking her what was wrong. 754 00:41:50,898 --> 00:41:53,908 She seemed to be speaking in a different language, 755 00:41:53,909 --> 00:41:55,789 and basically like tuning me out, 756 00:41:55,791 --> 00:41:59,111 like really not thinking about what I was saying. 757 00:42:00,596 --> 00:42:04,436 So I got up on the rail and I reached out 758 00:42:04,443 --> 00:42:06,343 and I really didn't know I was gonna be able 759 00:42:06,336 --> 00:42:07,906 to grab the back of her jacket, 760 00:42:07,914 --> 00:42:12,234 but once I grabbed it, I just lifted her over the rail 761 00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:14,320 and got her down on the ground. 762 00:42:14,322 --> 00:42:16,812 She started to fight me a little bit, 763 00:42:16,806 --> 00:42:21,326 so I just sat on her chest and just called 911 764 00:42:21,330 --> 00:42:24,250 and they were probably there within a couple minutes. 765 00:42:30,211 --> 00:42:32,721 As crazy as it sounds, I think of myself like 766 00:42:32,717 --> 00:42:36,247 a National Geographic photographer must feel 767 00:42:36,246 --> 00:42:38,476 and he's behind the camera filming 768 00:42:38,475 --> 00:42:40,985 and there's like a big tiger that's running at him 769 00:42:40,988 --> 00:42:43,208 and he's like, you know, "This footage is so great." 770 00:42:43,208 --> 00:42:46,768 He forgets that in a couple seconds 771 00:42:46,767 --> 00:42:49,527 that tiger's gonna be on top of him, 772 00:42:49,530 --> 00:42:53,160 but it's like you're in that camera, you're just behind 773 00:42:53,164 --> 00:42:55,444 and you don't really think about what's going on 774 00:42:55,439 --> 00:42:57,579 and that's where I had to separate 775 00:42:57,580 --> 00:43:00,860 or I had to actually get out of that mode of thinking 776 00:43:00,855 --> 00:43:04,865 and actually act on it and do something to help her. 777 00:43:08,214 --> 00:43:09,974 After I left the bridge patrol, 778 00:43:09,974 --> 00:43:12,284 I was going back to my vehicle 779 00:43:12,278 --> 00:43:13,958 and I happened to look over 780 00:43:13,956 --> 00:43:16,246 and it kinda looked like she turned back 781 00:43:16,252 --> 00:43:18,832 and she looked right at me 782 00:43:18,830 --> 00:43:21,580 and it freaked me out for a second. 783 00:43:21,579 --> 00:43:24,999 I just didn't expect her to look back now. 784 00:43:25,004 --> 00:43:27,764 I don't know if she actually saw me and 785 00:43:27,764 --> 00:43:30,454 was thinking, like, this son of a bitch, 786 00:43:30,452 --> 00:43:34,902 you know, I wanted to jump or whatever it was that 787 00:43:36,244 --> 00:43:38,144 that she was thinking. 788 00:43:41,208 --> 00:43:43,178 I'm sure that in some way 789 00:43:43,181 --> 00:43:44,921 that she did want to be rescued 790 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,570 because if she really wanted to commit suicide 791 00:43:48,565 --> 00:43:52,255 and just take that basically ultimate shortcut 792 00:43:52,255 --> 00:43:55,295 to the next level, then she would've just 793 00:43:55,295 --> 00:43:58,405 climbed over and just jumped right off. 794 00:43:58,409 --> 00:44:01,059 So I think that she was sort of 795 00:44:01,055 --> 00:44:03,245 crying out for help there a little bit. 796 00:44:04,604 --> 00:44:06,604 The police did tell me that she was involved 797 00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:09,349 in another incident on the bridge and 798 00:44:09,350 --> 00:44:12,370 they talked her out of it, 799 00:44:12,367 --> 00:44:15,557 and I just hope that she's doing okay. 800 00:44:17,746 --> 00:44:22,746 (somber ambient music) 801 00:44:51,475 --> 00:44:54,535 - Gene had a lot riding on this relationship 802 00:44:54,539 --> 00:44:56,329 and he wanted to get out of California 803 00:44:56,333 --> 00:44:58,423 and he felt that it was gonna be like 804 00:44:58,424 --> 00:45:02,294 a new beginning and I think he had 805 00:45:02,289 --> 00:45:05,649 it planned out in his head how it was gonna happen 806 00:45:05,651 --> 00:45:06,741 and then when he got there, 807 00:45:06,735 --> 00:45:08,955 the reality wasn't quite the same 808 00:45:08,964 --> 00:45:10,504 as what was in his head. 809 00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:13,320 - Yeah, I think he was chasing 810 00:45:13,323 --> 00:45:15,773 a certain magical wonderland 811 00:45:15,769 --> 00:45:17,649 that would make all his problems go away 812 00:45:17,646 --> 00:45:21,476 and making excuses as to why he couldn't find it here, 813 00:45:21,475 --> 00:45:23,815 expecting to find it somewhere else. 814 00:45:23,822 --> 00:45:25,972 He just wanted to make it happen so bad 815 00:45:25,966 --> 00:45:28,036 so that's why he went in St. Louis. 816 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,260 - Only love, really love, 817 00:45:34,256 --> 00:45:37,336 feeling like he was loved and in love 818 00:45:37,338 --> 00:45:38,998 was gonna save him. 819 00:45:42,498 --> 00:45:45,698 And who's to say that this is not a genetic thing? 820 00:45:45,697 --> 00:45:47,627 Who's to say that that wasn't the reason 821 00:45:47,628 --> 00:45:49,548 his mother chose to have this child 822 00:45:49,548 --> 00:45:51,758 because she, too, was depressed 823 00:45:51,756 --> 00:45:56,046 and knew that she could keep herself here 824 00:45:56,054 --> 00:45:59,494 and functional if she had a commitment? 825 00:45:59,489 --> 00:46:04,229 And how do we know that it wasn't at some 826 00:46:05,974 --> 00:46:09,964 inner level that he perceived this very young 827 00:46:09,957 --> 00:46:12,987 and that it colored his needs 828 00:46:12,990 --> 00:46:16,720 to have someone depend on him? 829 00:46:17,826 --> 00:46:19,096 I don't know. 830 00:46:23,334 --> 00:46:28,334 (somber piano music) 831 00:46:30,686 --> 00:46:35,686 (children shouting) 832 00:46:49,597 --> 00:46:53,037 (dog pants) 833 00:46:57,648 --> 00:46:59,318 - The ideas of suicide, 834 00:46:59,322 --> 00:47:02,162 if I'm completely honest with myself, 835 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,390 have been there for a long, long time. 836 00:47:04,389 --> 00:47:07,179 Years, way before I was diagnosed, 837 00:47:07,181 --> 00:47:08,541 but it was just touching on it, 838 00:47:08,543 --> 00:47:11,313 like, you know, oh, I'll just kill myself. 839 00:47:11,306 --> 00:47:15,226 But the real thought process of actually going to do it 840 00:47:15,226 --> 00:47:19,156 and commit the act started 841 00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:21,669 I'd say about '99 842 00:47:21,665 --> 00:47:24,515 and that's when I cut my wrist. 843 00:47:24,524 --> 00:47:26,934 - At the end of his junior year in high school, 844 00:47:26,932 --> 00:47:29,182 he had huge mood swings, 845 00:47:29,183 --> 00:47:32,553 and during his senior year, 846 00:47:32,553 --> 00:47:36,523 they were just compelling. 847 00:47:36,521 --> 00:47:38,961 I mean, he was constantly 848 00:47:38,964 --> 00:47:41,554 either very high or very low. 849 00:47:41,554 --> 00:47:43,234 That was really the fight. 850 00:47:43,228 --> 00:47:45,268 That's when Kevin was at his worst. 851 00:47:45,274 --> 00:47:47,964 There were times where he couldn't even speak 852 00:47:47,962 --> 00:47:51,452 and there were times where he wouldn't stop speaking. 853 00:47:51,447 --> 00:47:52,767 - I was hallucinating 854 00:47:52,769 --> 00:47:56,509 and I had made the assumption that 855 00:47:58,327 --> 00:48:00,917 there were bugs in my bed and stuff 856 00:48:00,923 --> 00:48:03,203 and they were like stuff that were giving me AIDS 857 00:48:03,195 --> 00:48:04,845 and stuff like that 858 00:48:04,848 --> 00:48:08,558 and I was just completely off the wall. 859 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,440 I hadn't been sexually active for years, 860 00:48:11,444 --> 00:48:15,574 yet I thought I had AIDS and it was like 861 00:48:15,568 --> 00:48:18,638 it was all in my head and 862 00:48:18,635 --> 00:48:21,755 I sprayed my bed sheets with a disinfectant, 863 00:48:21,755 --> 00:48:24,205 like a deodorizer or something like that 864 00:48:24,207 --> 00:48:25,867 but I sprayed my bed sheets, you know, 865 00:48:25,873 --> 00:48:28,593 I sleep in that, I inhaled in all night long, 866 00:48:28,592 --> 00:48:29,682 which caused the hallucinations 867 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,720 to become greater and greater 868 00:48:31,723 --> 00:48:36,293 and so I got up out of bed, sat at my desk, 869 00:48:36,293 --> 00:48:41,143 and I must have written five versions of my suicide letter 870 00:48:41,139 --> 00:48:43,349 until I realized these are mean, 871 00:48:43,346 --> 00:48:45,536 I can't write them like this, so I wrote a real nice one 872 00:48:45,544 --> 00:48:47,014 or so my thought was nice, I mean, 873 00:48:47,013 --> 00:48:49,283 it's a suicide letter, you know, 874 00:48:49,277 --> 00:48:53,517 and I guess it said something like, 875 00:48:53,523 --> 00:48:55,833 "Mom, you're not always right. 876 00:48:55,831 --> 00:48:57,641 "Don't think you are, but I love you. 877 00:48:57,644 --> 00:48:59,484 "Dad, stop being so mean. 878 00:48:59,479 --> 00:49:00,989 "You're hurting people." 879 00:49:00,993 --> 00:49:03,853 - He had a terrible episode and 880 00:49:05,313 --> 00:49:10,183 there was no comment with regard to suicide. 881 00:49:10,182 --> 00:49:13,622 It was a commentary with regard to 882 00:49:13,622 --> 00:49:17,732 hearing voices and difficulty 883 00:49:17,734 --> 00:49:21,974 remaining under control, 884 00:49:21,974 --> 00:49:24,654 and I called his psychiatrist 885 00:49:24,654 --> 00:49:29,344 the Sunday night prior and had a conversation with him 886 00:49:29,338 --> 00:49:30,858 and the psychiatrist told me, 887 00:49:30,856 --> 00:49:31,836 "No, don't worry about it. 888 00:49:31,837 --> 00:49:34,987 "Everything's gonna be fine." 889 00:49:34,989 --> 00:49:36,569 And then Kevin and I stayed up 890 00:49:36,573 --> 00:49:39,453 and we chatted about it and he seemed to be 891 00:49:39,453 --> 00:49:42,353 fine, almost completely calmed. 892 00:49:42,354 --> 00:49:44,744 - Our conversations go like this when he's mad at me. 893 00:49:44,743 --> 00:49:47,863 He tells me to sit down in my chair 894 00:49:47,855 --> 00:49:49,875 and he basically yells at me. 895 00:49:54,337 --> 00:49:57,677 I told him that I don't wanna, I said, 896 00:49:59,407 --> 00:50:01,217 "I don't wanna hurt anybody anymore. 897 00:50:01,216 --> 00:50:02,516 "I have to go away." 898 00:50:02,517 --> 00:50:04,097 Or something like that, and he said, 899 00:50:04,096 --> 00:50:05,256 "You have an obligation 900 00:50:05,258 --> 00:50:06,818 "to stay here for your family. 901 00:50:06,815 --> 00:50:08,225 "You have an obligation to me 902 00:50:08,234 --> 00:50:11,034 "who raised you, given you everything you want. 903 00:50:11,025 --> 00:50:11,725 "You have an obligation 904 00:50:11,733 --> 00:50:13,233 "to live for your brother, your sister," 905 00:50:13,226 --> 00:50:14,936 but he was mad the whole time. 906 00:50:14,938 --> 00:50:15,818 So I said, "All right, all right, all right, 907 00:50:15,818 --> 00:50:17,028 "I'm not gonna do anything, Dad. 908 00:50:17,034 --> 00:50:18,224 "Don't worry, don't worry." 909 00:50:18,217 --> 00:50:19,397 And he was like, "Do I have to take you to the hospital?" 910 00:50:19,401 --> 00:50:20,841 You know, or something like that. 911 00:50:20,843 --> 00:50:22,083 I was like, "No, no, no, no, 912 00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:23,599 "it's all right, it's all right." 913 00:50:23,604 --> 00:50:24,444 I said, "Let me just sleep on it 914 00:50:24,436 --> 00:50:26,036 "and we'll talk about it in the morning, okay? 915 00:50:26,036 --> 00:50:28,356 "I'm really tired, Dad, I'm really tired." 916 00:50:28,361 --> 00:50:30,691 So he woke me up the next morning 917 00:50:30,686 --> 00:50:34,426 about 7 o'clock 'cause I got maybe like two hours of sleep, 918 00:50:34,430 --> 00:50:36,840 and he woke me up and he said, 919 00:50:36,842 --> 00:50:39,442 "Hey, you're coming to work with me." 920 00:50:39,443 --> 00:50:40,543 I was like, "No." 921 00:50:40,541 --> 00:50:42,421 He's like, "No, come on, I'm worried about you. 922 00:50:42,419 --> 00:50:43,249 "I'm really worried about you." 923 00:50:43,251 --> 00:50:45,361 I was like, "Dad, I'm fine," 924 00:50:45,362 --> 00:50:47,352 the entire time lying through my teeth 925 00:50:47,350 --> 00:50:49,360 because I knew I was gonna go to the bridge and jump. 926 00:50:49,362 --> 00:50:53,072 (tense ambient music) 927 00:50:54,767 --> 00:50:56,947 - [Pat] So, listen, why don't I take the day off? 928 00:50:56,953 --> 00:51:00,113 And we'll go do something and he said, "Nope. 929 00:51:00,105 --> 00:51:01,695 "I'd rather go to school." 930 00:51:03,564 --> 00:51:05,824 - I kiss him goodbye on the cheek 931 00:51:05,815 --> 00:51:07,295 and I was like, all right, this is the last time 932 00:51:07,298 --> 00:51:09,878 I'm ever gonna kiss my daddy goodbye, you know. 933 00:51:09,876 --> 00:51:11,866 I'll never see him again. 934 00:51:11,871 --> 00:51:14,341 And he'll never see me. 935 00:51:14,335 --> 00:51:16,145 And I went to my English class, 936 00:51:16,148 --> 00:51:17,648 dropped all my other classes. 937 00:51:17,652 --> 00:51:21,402 I took the K out to the 28 to the 29th out to the bridge, 938 00:51:21,403 --> 00:51:24,773 and the whole time I was just bawling my eyes out, 939 00:51:24,774 --> 00:51:27,094 just crying, 940 00:51:27,088 --> 00:51:28,848 talking to myself on the bus. 941 00:51:31,427 --> 00:51:33,417 I had stopped, before I got on the 28, 942 00:51:33,422 --> 00:51:34,882 I had stopped at Walgreens 943 00:51:34,883 --> 00:51:37,073 and I bought my last meal, 944 00:51:37,070 --> 00:51:39,800 Starburst and Skittles. 945 00:51:41,622 --> 00:51:42,702 And 946 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,100 went out to the bridge. 947 00:51:48,043 --> 00:51:49,853 Found a place that I thought, all right, 948 00:51:49,853 --> 00:51:51,993 it's not too close to the pillar, I won't hit the pillar, 949 00:51:51,989 --> 00:51:53,149 I'll just hit the water. 950 00:51:53,152 --> 00:51:54,932 I'll either drown or die on impact 951 00:51:54,933 --> 00:51:57,063 or I'll have a heart attack. 952 00:51:57,064 --> 00:52:00,144 So I got there, 953 00:52:00,135 --> 00:52:03,325 stood there for like 40 minutes at that spot, 954 00:52:03,326 --> 00:52:05,536 just crying my eyes out. 955 00:52:05,540 --> 00:52:07,930 Joggers, bikers, runners, tourists, whatever 956 00:52:07,929 --> 00:52:09,979 running by and walking by 957 00:52:09,975 --> 00:52:12,495 looking at me, didn't say anything. 958 00:52:12,502 --> 00:52:15,562 It's not their part, it's not their problem, but anyway, 959 00:52:15,564 --> 00:52:18,704 and this woman, she came up to me. 960 00:52:18,699 --> 00:52:19,999 She said in a German accent, 961 00:52:20,001 --> 00:52:20,871 I think it was a German accent, 962 00:52:20,865 --> 00:52:23,595 she said, "Will you take my picture?" 963 00:52:25,267 --> 00:52:26,937 I was like, your picture? 964 00:52:26,941 --> 00:52:28,151 I mean, I'm gonna kill myself, 965 00:52:28,147 --> 00:52:30,507 what is wrong with you? 966 00:52:30,514 --> 00:52:32,134 Can't you see the tears pouring out of my face? 967 00:52:32,125 --> 00:52:33,725 But she couldn't. 968 00:52:33,725 --> 00:52:35,715 She was on her own hype. 969 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,079 So I took the camera, I took her picture, 970 00:52:38,083 --> 00:52:40,503 said, "Miss, have a nice day," 971 00:52:40,504 --> 00:52:42,504 turned back to the traffic, 972 00:52:42,499 --> 00:52:45,219 turned to the bay, said, "Fuck it, nobody cares." 973 00:52:45,220 --> 00:52:46,640 Pardon my French. 974 00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:48,859 And I hurled over the bridge. 975 00:52:48,856 --> 00:52:53,576 (waves splashing) 976 00:53:08,834 --> 00:53:10,834 See, what most people do, apparently, 977 00:53:10,828 --> 00:53:13,078 is they get on the ledge outside of the bridge 978 00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:14,619 and they stand there. 979 00:53:14,615 --> 00:53:15,495 People can talk them out of it 980 00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:17,470 or pull them up or whatever. 981 00:53:17,473 --> 00:53:20,003 I didn't want anybody to talk me out of it. 982 00:53:20,001 --> 00:53:21,881 I just wanted to die. 983 00:53:21,878 --> 00:53:24,928 So I hurtled over the railing with my hands 984 00:53:24,929 --> 00:53:26,669 and I was falling headfirst 985 00:53:26,667 --> 00:53:31,327 and the second my hands left the bar or the railing, 986 00:53:31,328 --> 00:53:33,218 I said, "I don't wanna die." 987 00:53:33,216 --> 00:53:34,656 I said, "What am I gonna do? 988 00:53:34,656 --> 00:53:35,926 "This is like, this is it. 989 00:53:35,926 --> 00:53:36,986 "I'm dead." 990 00:53:37,971 --> 00:53:41,221 So I said, "Well, maybe if I get feet first, 991 00:53:41,224 --> 00:53:43,314 "maybe, maybe I'll live." 992 00:53:43,314 --> 00:53:44,424 So I thought, 993 00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:48,719 "All right, it's worth a shot." 994 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,139 So my head was falling like this, 995 00:53:50,138 --> 00:53:51,578 and I pushed myself back somehow 996 00:53:51,577 --> 00:53:54,397 and I landed literally like I was sitting down, 997 00:53:54,397 --> 00:53:58,377 kinda maybe a little more elevated with the legs, 998 00:53:58,375 --> 00:54:01,755 and I hit with my feet, 999 00:54:01,756 --> 00:54:04,376 and I guess the water treaded through my boots a little bit, 1000 00:54:04,377 --> 00:54:06,487 so maybe helped the impact, 1001 00:54:06,489 --> 00:54:08,699 and the boots are pretty tough so, 1002 00:54:08,697 --> 00:54:12,437 and I went down about I'd say 40, 50 feet. 1003 00:54:14,164 --> 00:54:16,224 Didn't know which way was up or down. 1004 00:54:16,221 --> 00:54:18,851 I thought, "Am I still alive?" 1005 00:54:18,845 --> 00:54:22,115 'Cause it's like a four to seven second fall. 1006 00:54:22,122 --> 00:54:25,402 It's like 120 miles per hour. 1007 00:54:27,231 --> 00:54:30,411 I think that's like seven seconds below terminal velocity 1008 00:54:30,410 --> 00:54:33,880 or like the velocity downslope skiers get. 1009 00:54:38,146 --> 00:54:39,726 I was awake. 1010 00:54:39,732 --> 00:54:41,652 I was alive. 1011 00:54:41,652 --> 00:54:43,542 I was swimming my butt off to get somewhere 1012 00:54:43,540 --> 00:54:45,580 where there was air. 1013 00:54:45,577 --> 00:54:47,527 So I reached the surface, I guess, 1014 00:54:47,529 --> 00:54:50,149 because I saw some sort of light, 1015 00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:51,430 and I was screaming for help 1016 00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:52,290 and I couldn't really scream. 1017 00:54:52,294 --> 00:54:53,294 My voice was gone. 1018 00:54:53,286 --> 00:54:54,976 I couldn't yell. 1019 00:54:54,982 --> 00:54:56,862 I was like, "Help. 1020 00:54:56,859 --> 00:54:57,789 "Help me." 1021 00:54:59,534 --> 00:55:04,434 And I felt something brush by my leg. 1022 00:55:04,429 --> 00:55:06,679 I was like, "Oh, great. 1023 00:55:06,677 --> 00:55:08,807 "I didn't die jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. 1024 00:55:08,810 --> 00:55:10,950 "A shark is going to eat me." 1025 00:55:10,953 --> 00:55:13,553 I was like, "This is ridiculous." 1026 00:55:13,549 --> 00:55:15,389 Years later, I found out, 1027 00:55:15,390 --> 00:55:16,570 as a matter of fact, last year I found out 1028 00:55:16,574 --> 00:55:18,374 it wasn't a shark. 1029 00:55:18,366 --> 00:55:19,726 It was a seal circling me 1030 00:55:19,731 --> 00:55:23,521 and apparently it was the only thing keeping me afloat. 1031 00:55:23,518 --> 00:55:26,788 And you cannot tell me that wasn't God 1032 00:55:26,792 --> 00:55:28,282 'cause that's what I believe 1033 00:55:28,275 --> 00:55:30,315 and that's what I'll believe till the day I die. 1034 00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:39,130 (soft ambient music) 1035 00:55:45,065 --> 00:55:49,495 (seagulls cawing) 1036 00:55:53,334 --> 00:55:55,504 - [Pat] I was sitting my office 1037 00:55:55,499 --> 00:55:58,699 and a secretary 1038 00:55:58,702 --> 00:56:02,482 said that, "There's someone on the line for you 1039 00:56:02,476 --> 00:56:04,736 "from Marin General Hospital." 1040 00:56:06,291 --> 00:56:09,371 So I picked up the phone and a woman said, 1041 00:56:09,373 --> 00:56:11,113 "Is this Pat Hines?" 1042 00:56:11,112 --> 00:56:12,352 I said, "Yes." 1043 00:56:12,349 --> 00:56:14,499 She said, "Your son has just jumped 1044 00:56:14,503 --> 00:56:16,683 "from the Golden Gate Bridge." 1045 00:56:18,425 --> 00:56:20,675 I lived here all my life. 1046 00:56:20,676 --> 00:56:23,176 I know what that means, 1047 00:56:23,183 --> 00:56:26,463 and I said, "Is he alive?" 1048 00:56:26,455 --> 00:56:29,685 And she said, "Oh, he is." 1049 00:56:29,686 --> 00:56:32,026 And I thought 1050 00:56:32,033 --> 00:56:36,043 that they probably told me that just to keep me calm 1051 00:56:36,043 --> 00:56:39,203 so that I wouldn't wreck my car 1052 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,430 driving over to see his mangled body. 1053 00:56:42,432 --> 00:56:47,132 (gentle ambient music) 1054 00:56:57,747 --> 00:57:01,267 (water splashes) 1055 00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:10,619 - I shattered my T12 and my L1, 1056 00:57:10,618 --> 00:57:13,658 which is my lower lumbar region 1057 00:57:13,658 --> 00:57:16,488 into very, very tiny little pieces 1058 00:57:16,485 --> 00:57:19,785 and the pieces went into my organs, 1059 00:57:19,790 --> 00:57:21,410 but they missed my heart. 1060 00:57:21,410 --> 00:57:24,570 - At this point in time, I still thought he would be dead. 1061 00:57:24,567 --> 00:57:27,747 So I went up to this gurney and I looked down 1062 00:57:27,746 --> 00:57:30,736 and he was wide awake and he looked up at me 1063 00:57:30,743 --> 00:57:34,383 and he said, "I'm sorry." 1064 00:57:34,379 --> 00:57:38,269 And then he just closed his eyes and 1065 00:57:38,265 --> 00:57:39,865 I just stood there staring at him 1066 00:57:39,873 --> 00:57:43,373 and he was, by that point in time, in a coma. 1067 00:57:45,352 --> 00:57:47,172 - It was just super scary, you know? 1068 00:57:47,166 --> 00:57:49,556 I mean, I can't explain it. 1069 00:57:51,655 --> 00:57:53,285 To feel it would be like... 1070 00:57:55,667 --> 00:57:58,327 like feeling an alien jumping out of your body 1071 00:57:58,333 --> 00:57:59,433 or something, you know, 1072 00:57:59,432 --> 00:58:01,292 like your soul or whatever. 1073 00:58:01,288 --> 00:58:05,938 It was ridiculous, scary, just really wild. 1074 00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:13,039 (people chattering) 1075 00:58:18,579 --> 00:58:21,779 (metal stand rattling) 1076 00:58:21,776 --> 00:58:25,816 - 2004 was a tough year for Kevin. 1077 00:58:25,819 --> 00:58:27,439 It hasn't been a cakewalk. 1078 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,130 Kevin's been visited by 1079 00:58:30,128 --> 00:58:33,848 extreme mental illness three times subsequent 1080 00:58:33,849 --> 00:58:36,499 to his jump off the bridge. 1081 00:58:36,495 --> 00:58:38,645 The most recent, he was confined 1082 00:58:38,650 --> 00:58:40,860 for almost three months 1083 00:58:40,858 --> 00:58:44,388 while he struggled and his doctors struggled 1084 00:58:44,388 --> 00:58:48,408 to get his bipolar bracketed in, 1085 00:58:48,409 --> 00:58:51,029 and it's a matter of diet, 1086 00:58:51,033 --> 00:58:52,383 it's a matter of consistency, 1087 00:58:52,377 --> 00:58:56,047 and it's a matter of proper drug therapy. 1088 00:58:56,047 --> 00:59:00,037 Kevin will begin to 1089 00:59:00,038 --> 00:59:01,688 make headway. 1090 00:59:01,692 --> 00:59:03,272 His life will gain traction, 1091 00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:06,390 and then he begins to get outside of the brackets 1092 00:59:06,385 --> 00:59:08,745 into which he can function, 1093 00:59:08,752 --> 00:59:13,492 and unfortunately, it has taken three times now 1094 00:59:13,485 --> 00:59:17,785 outside, in those outside areas to convince him, 1095 00:59:17,793 --> 00:59:19,553 prove to him more importantly, 1096 00:59:19,553 --> 00:59:21,133 that he can't go there, 1097 00:59:21,132 --> 00:59:24,682 and unfortunately for Kevin, 1098 00:59:24,684 --> 00:59:26,804 it's get up at 8 o'clock in the morning, 1099 00:59:26,795 --> 00:59:29,815 take your pills at eight, have lunch at noon, 1100 00:59:29,823 --> 00:59:34,143 if you will, dinner at six, 1101 00:59:34,142 --> 00:59:36,952 pills at nine, bed at 10, 1102 00:59:36,947 --> 00:59:39,447 and that's a very, very difficult existence 1103 00:59:39,454 --> 00:59:43,484 for a 24 year old male in this society. 1104 00:59:43,475 --> 00:59:48,155 (seagulls chirping) (people chattering) 1105 00:59:52,301 --> 00:59:53,921 But I've told him, 1106 00:59:53,922 --> 00:59:55,692 "It's a wonderful disease to have, Kev, 1107 00:59:55,694 --> 00:59:57,514 "because you can control it. 1108 00:59:57,507 --> 00:59:59,537 "If you had cancer, 1109 00:59:59,544 --> 01:00:01,474 "you wouldn't have the same opportunity. 1110 01:00:01,474 --> 01:00:03,704 "Unlike cancer, Kevin, as long as you stay 1111 01:00:03,704 --> 01:00:05,684 "within these bands, you've got it. 1112 01:00:05,677 --> 01:00:07,017 "It doesn't have you." 1113 01:00:07,021 --> 01:00:08,051 - It's funny, my family members 1114 01:00:08,045 --> 01:00:10,385 still think I haven't learned my lesson, 1115 01:00:10,391 --> 01:00:13,241 but the lesson was learned a long time ago, 1116 01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:16,439 and, you know, 1117 01:00:18,065 --> 01:00:19,405 it's hard when 1118 01:00:20,860 --> 01:00:23,370 you keep messing up, 1119 01:00:23,366 --> 01:00:26,776 and no one in your family believes in you anymore 1120 01:00:26,777 --> 01:00:28,847 or trusts you, 1121 01:00:28,846 --> 01:00:31,206 whether they're scared you're gonna go attempt again 1122 01:00:31,214 --> 01:00:33,274 and they're always worried, walking on eggshells 1123 01:00:33,273 --> 01:00:36,133 when they talk to you. 1124 01:00:36,129 --> 01:00:38,059 It sucks. 1125 01:00:38,059 --> 01:00:38,929 So I'm tired of that. 1126 01:00:38,934 --> 01:00:39,844 I just want them to say, 1127 01:00:39,841 --> 01:00:41,631 "Hey, Kev, what's cracking, man?" 1128 01:00:43,963 --> 01:00:45,773 Just be real about it. 1129 01:00:45,771 --> 01:00:48,451 Don't walk on eggshells around me. 1130 01:00:48,448 --> 01:00:50,698 I'm the same guy, 1131 01:00:50,699 --> 01:00:55,159 just different soul, you know, 1132 01:00:55,157 --> 01:00:56,667 different ideals. 1133 01:01:02,064 --> 01:01:03,064 (Kevin sighs) 1134 01:01:04,424 --> 01:01:07,764 I just wanna be normal again, 1135 01:01:07,762 --> 01:01:09,352 but I never will be. 1136 01:01:12,359 --> 01:01:17,219 (eerie ambient music) 1137 01:01:48,266 --> 01:01:50,546 - [Voiceover] We started using crystal meth, 1138 01:01:50,549 --> 01:01:54,259 and, you know, using crystal just, 1139 01:01:54,261 --> 01:01:57,241 everything starting going down the toilet. 1140 01:01:57,236 --> 01:02:00,156 She lost her job, I lost my job. 1141 01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:02,099 We ended up becoming homeless. 1142 01:02:05,839 --> 01:02:09,679 She has a little easier time letting go of drugs than I do. 1143 01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:12,599 I have a very addictive personality, 1144 01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:13,439 and 1145 01:02:15,148 --> 01:02:16,678 just found out last week 1146 01:02:16,684 --> 01:02:19,654 that she's been cheating on me again. 1147 01:02:25,366 --> 01:02:26,526 So I picked up my son. 1148 01:02:26,529 --> 01:02:29,939 I gave him a hug and kiss and said goodbye, 1149 01:02:29,942 --> 01:02:32,142 and told her to F off. 1150 01:02:33,862 --> 01:02:36,202 And then I found myself just walking 1151 01:02:36,195 --> 01:02:39,075 toward the Golden Gate Bridge. 1152 01:02:39,075 --> 01:02:41,365 I was crying the whole way, you know. 1153 01:02:42,753 --> 01:02:46,833 Only thing I kept saying was, you know, 1154 01:02:46,827 --> 01:02:50,237 "As I walk in the valley of the shadow of death, 1155 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,180 "I shall not fear a thing 'cause God's with me." 1156 01:02:56,719 --> 01:02:58,549 So when I got to the halfway point on the bridge, 1157 01:02:58,554 --> 01:03:02,324 I set my book down and I jumped over onto the railing. 1158 01:03:07,572 --> 01:03:11,782 And I just sat there, crying and thinking for a little bit, 1159 01:03:11,775 --> 01:03:14,305 and the cops showed up. 1160 01:03:14,313 --> 01:03:16,513 I made the mistake of letting them 1161 01:03:16,510 --> 01:03:18,630 get to know me too well 1162 01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:21,970 'cause they completely used my son against me. 1163 01:03:29,219 --> 01:03:31,419 - Actually, I came to the bridge last year 1164 01:03:31,418 --> 01:03:34,438 at this time to do the same thing 1165 01:03:34,442 --> 01:03:36,652 and so it's not a new idea, 1166 01:03:36,650 --> 01:03:41,010 but kind of one that became a little obsessive, I suppose. 1167 01:03:44,626 --> 01:03:47,616 How I literally got here today was on an airplane 1168 01:03:47,623 --> 01:03:51,383 (laughs) from Houston, Texas. 1169 01:03:51,381 --> 01:03:53,601 What drew me to it in spite of 1170 01:03:53,596 --> 01:03:56,036 having to do so much preparations is that 1171 01:03:56,037 --> 01:03:58,577 it is so accessible. 1172 01:03:58,577 --> 01:04:01,327 You just kinda hop over. 1173 01:04:01,325 --> 01:04:03,825 But, yeah, letting go, that's the tough part. 1174 01:04:03,832 --> 01:04:08,832 (soft ambient music) 1175 01:04:11,818 --> 01:04:13,438 I don't know if people think about that a lot, 1176 01:04:13,439 --> 01:04:15,959 like the process that a person goes through 1177 01:04:15,957 --> 01:04:19,057 in trying to decide how to end their life. 1178 01:04:19,058 --> 01:04:21,188 It's like a search, it's like looking for 1179 01:04:21,191 --> 01:04:22,911 a college to attend or something, 1180 01:04:22,909 --> 01:04:25,119 you know, the pros and cons and 1181 01:04:25,124 --> 01:04:26,394 it's a destructive act, but there's 1182 01:04:26,394 --> 01:04:29,294 a lot of rational thought that goes into an act 1183 01:04:29,292 --> 01:04:32,202 that a lot of people just consider irrational. 1184 01:04:35,665 --> 01:04:38,635 In my bag, I had my parents' phone number 1185 01:04:38,641 --> 01:04:40,081 and I wanted them to know what happened 1186 01:04:40,081 --> 01:04:42,641 and not just be agonizing over what happened 1187 01:04:42,639 --> 01:04:45,919 to their daughter for a week or two. 1188 01:04:45,917 --> 01:04:48,387 So I wanted people just see me actually do it, 1189 01:04:48,391 --> 01:04:51,341 and I think I really did want somebody to say, "No, 1190 01:04:51,342 --> 01:04:52,542 "don't do it." 1191 01:05:07,509 --> 01:05:10,129 - When Gene called me 1192 01:05:10,132 --> 01:05:13,612 from St. Louis in despair 1193 01:05:13,610 --> 01:05:15,980 and was gonna jump off the bridge there, 1194 01:05:15,977 --> 01:05:18,677 he said, "I'm just calling to say goodbye. 1195 01:05:18,676 --> 01:05:20,726 "It's time." 1196 01:05:20,731 --> 01:05:22,741 What could I say to him? 1197 01:05:22,740 --> 01:05:25,450 You know, I had tried 1198 01:05:25,445 --> 01:05:28,555 on occasion to find something 1199 01:05:28,563 --> 01:05:31,383 that would encourage him to live, 1200 01:05:31,376 --> 01:05:33,356 something, 1201 01:05:33,363 --> 01:05:36,323 and I asked him again for a favor. 1202 01:05:36,323 --> 01:05:38,933 I said, "Put my name and phone number 1203 01:05:38,925 --> 01:05:42,065 "in a plastic bag in your pocket 1204 01:05:42,068 --> 01:05:45,298 "so that when you are found, 1205 01:05:45,301 --> 01:05:46,931 "I can be told. 1206 01:05:46,933 --> 01:05:48,243 "I need to know." 1207 01:05:51,802 --> 01:05:55,802 - [Matt] He had called me from a bridge back there 1208 01:05:55,801 --> 01:05:56,401 and he was-- 1209 01:05:56,399 --> 01:05:58,329 - But he called me first from the train tracks 1210 01:05:58,329 --> 01:06:00,239 saying he was gonna lay his neck 1211 01:06:00,238 --> 01:06:02,268 across the train tracks and because he said 1212 01:06:02,266 --> 01:06:04,696 things like that all the time, 1213 01:06:04,698 --> 01:06:06,548 I didn't call him back 1214 01:06:06,553 --> 01:06:09,183 because I just didn't want to hear it. 1215 01:06:09,177 --> 01:06:12,137 You can only hear the same thing so many times 1216 01:06:12,142 --> 01:06:14,562 and give the same answer so many times. 1217 01:06:14,563 --> 01:06:15,793 You know, "Stop being stupid. 1218 01:06:15,789 --> 01:06:17,759 "Don't be ridiculous." 1219 01:06:17,763 --> 01:06:20,603 It gets tiring after awhile. 1220 01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:21,810 You wanna hear something different, 1221 01:06:21,805 --> 01:06:23,375 so I guess when I didn't call him back, 1222 01:06:23,384 --> 01:06:25,044 he went to the bridge. 1223 01:06:25,037 --> 01:06:27,007 - Yeah, he had made his way to a bridge. 1224 01:06:27,010 --> 01:06:28,710 He called me on my cell phone, 1225 01:06:28,707 --> 01:06:31,607 told me this relationship that he was pursuing 1226 01:06:31,607 --> 01:06:34,247 is all falling apart, so I kept him on the phone. 1227 01:06:34,252 --> 01:06:35,972 I was talking to him. 1228 01:06:35,970 --> 01:06:37,690 At one point in our conversation, 1229 01:06:37,687 --> 01:06:40,097 he said, "Oh, a cop's driving by." 1230 01:06:40,097 --> 01:06:42,657 And I actually heard the cop stop and ask him, 1231 01:06:42,659 --> 01:06:45,219 "Hey, you're not gonna jump, are ya?" 1232 01:06:45,215 --> 01:06:47,505 They asked him, "Is everything okay? 1233 01:06:47,508 --> 01:06:48,798 "Any problems?" 1234 01:06:48,801 --> 01:06:50,751 And he's like, "No, not really," 1235 01:06:50,753 --> 01:06:55,263 and they decided to leave him alone, 1236 01:06:55,262 --> 01:06:57,732 and that's when I said, "Look, 1237 01:06:57,726 --> 01:06:59,956 "I'm gonna get a ticket for you for the bus, 1238 01:06:59,955 --> 01:07:02,045 "and you're gonna come back to California," 1239 01:07:02,046 --> 01:07:04,336 and I convinced him to do that. 1240 01:07:04,339 --> 01:07:09,129 (gentle ambient music) 1241 01:07:17,874 --> 01:07:22,764 (waves crashing) 1242 01:07:39,150 --> 01:07:42,860 - David is very dramatic, boisterous, 1243 01:07:42,862 --> 01:07:44,812 a life of the party type, 1244 01:07:44,814 --> 01:07:47,634 playing the piano, singing, 1245 01:07:47,629 --> 01:07:48,859 you know, really Mr. Party, 1246 01:07:48,864 --> 01:07:50,504 which is very interesting because 1247 01:07:50,496 --> 01:07:52,276 I'm not that way at all, 1248 01:07:52,277 --> 01:07:54,777 and I think part of the reason he liked me 1249 01:07:54,784 --> 01:07:56,554 was that I didn't ask him to do that 1250 01:07:56,554 --> 01:08:00,174 or he didn't feel he had to do that around me. 1251 01:08:02,243 --> 01:08:04,223 - He was a handsome guy. 1252 01:08:04,216 --> 01:08:06,556 He was a good dresser, 1253 01:08:06,562 --> 01:08:08,612 and he just exuded this, 1254 01:08:08,610 --> 01:08:12,330 which is another reason why I guess it's so 1255 01:08:12,331 --> 01:08:16,961 shocking to me is that he just exuded this joy for life. 1256 01:08:16,959 --> 01:08:21,959 (somber ambient music) 1257 01:08:27,673 --> 01:08:31,553 - Ruby was someone that I was always proud to pull in. 1258 01:08:31,545 --> 01:08:32,565 So when there's somebody new in my life 1259 01:08:32,567 --> 01:08:34,147 or I was dating somebody for awhile, 1260 01:08:34,145 --> 01:08:36,195 I wanna bring 'em over, you know. 1261 01:08:41,791 --> 01:08:44,711 - One of Jim's favorite things was when he'd see me, said, 1262 01:08:44,713 --> 01:08:45,853 "Oh, I met a new friend. 1263 01:08:45,854 --> 01:08:47,144 "You've got to meet this person. 1264 01:08:47,143 --> 01:08:49,063 "You've just gotta meant this person." 1265 01:08:49,058 --> 01:08:51,618 He had great delight in bringing people together. 1266 01:08:51,618 --> 01:08:54,708 He really loved people and 1267 01:08:57,142 --> 01:08:59,272 just very warm personality. 1268 01:09:00,411 --> 01:09:03,731 At least that's how he was in the beginning. 1269 01:09:03,728 --> 01:09:08,328 (somber ambient music) 1270 01:09:14,267 --> 01:09:15,387 (golf club whooshes) 1271 01:09:17,444 --> 01:09:19,304 - Before six months ago, I would 1272 01:09:19,300 --> 01:09:21,510 never have said that I thought Ruby 1273 01:09:21,508 --> 01:09:24,068 had a significant depression problem. 1274 01:09:24,068 --> 01:09:26,268 (birds chirping) 1275 01:09:26,265 --> 01:09:30,105 I know that he was alone without a source of income. 1276 01:09:30,105 --> 01:09:32,905 I know his sister had killed herself. 1277 01:09:32,910 --> 01:09:36,160 I know he had all those variables. 1278 01:09:36,163 --> 01:09:39,163 Nothing before this last few months of his life 1279 01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,670 indicated to me that he was out of the range 1280 01:09:41,666 --> 01:09:43,086 of the normal ups and downs 1281 01:09:43,085 --> 01:09:47,465 that we just don't share all the time. 1282 01:09:47,467 --> 01:09:49,477 - David came over to Charlie's 1283 01:09:49,482 --> 01:09:52,062 to have dinner with us 1284 01:09:52,064 --> 01:09:54,374 and that's when he told us for the first time 1285 01:09:54,367 --> 01:09:56,307 he was seriously on medication, 1286 01:09:56,309 --> 01:09:58,689 but up until that point 1287 01:09:58,689 --> 01:10:01,999 apparently he had been self-medicating with alcohol 1288 01:10:02,004 --> 01:10:04,774 and although I knew him for nine years, 1289 01:10:06,290 --> 01:10:10,470 I could count on maybe, 1290 01:10:10,474 --> 01:10:13,374 maybe two times that I see him really drunk. 1291 01:10:16,171 --> 01:10:18,281 - David would, every so often, determine 1292 01:10:18,283 --> 01:10:19,933 that he had to get his life back together 1293 01:10:19,925 --> 01:10:22,935 or he would be confronted by me or other friends 1294 01:10:22,944 --> 01:10:25,014 and start treatment. 1295 01:10:25,013 --> 01:10:27,913 He took antidepressants for a month and a half or so 1296 01:10:27,914 --> 01:10:29,694 and made a big show of it, 1297 01:10:29,685 --> 01:10:32,045 but then in the end I arranged a label 1298 01:10:32,053 --> 01:10:34,663 so that I could see if he'd been picking the bottles up 1299 01:10:34,663 --> 01:10:36,813 and he hadn't touched them. 1300 01:10:36,807 --> 01:10:38,597 Didn't touch them for weeks. 1301 01:10:42,372 --> 01:10:44,592 - So a couple of months before he died, 1302 01:10:44,586 --> 01:10:46,456 Ruby started talking about 1303 01:10:46,457 --> 01:10:49,827 he couldn't get over his feelings of losses 1304 01:10:49,826 --> 01:10:53,136 and he thought that he might be depressed, 1305 01:10:53,136 --> 01:10:55,266 but he didn't have any health insurance. 1306 01:10:56,522 --> 01:10:59,672 So he said, "I want some meds. 1307 01:10:59,666 --> 01:11:02,386 "Got any ideas how I can get some?" 1308 01:11:02,387 --> 01:11:05,357 And I had tried some antidepressant meds 1309 01:11:05,358 --> 01:11:09,078 that didn't seem to help and I couldn't sleep on them. 1310 01:11:09,081 --> 01:11:11,521 So I said, "Okay, listen. 1311 01:11:13,454 --> 01:11:14,584 (sighs) 1312 01:11:15,798 --> 01:11:16,868 "Here. 1313 01:11:19,235 --> 01:11:20,645 "You can have mine. 1314 01:11:22,961 --> 01:11:24,771 "But you've gotta call a physician 1315 01:11:24,774 --> 01:11:27,414 "for information on how to take them. 1316 01:11:27,413 --> 01:11:31,313 "I cannot be responsible for how you take them. 1317 01:11:31,314 --> 01:11:32,984 "But you can have them." 1318 01:11:36,740 --> 01:11:40,500 I was gonna give him the whole bottle of them 1319 01:11:40,497 --> 01:11:43,037 in the original bottle and I thought, 1320 01:11:45,211 --> 01:11:48,121 what if one day somebody goes into his apartment 1321 01:11:51,146 --> 01:11:53,956 and is looking through his stuff 1322 01:11:53,959 --> 01:11:57,629 and finds my name on a bottle of meds? 1323 01:11:59,719 --> 01:12:01,879 I took them out and I put them in an envelope. 1324 01:12:04,313 --> 01:12:06,223 Just a plain envelope. 1325 01:12:12,004 --> 01:12:15,374 - It was around November or the fall 1326 01:12:15,374 --> 01:12:18,004 when Jim lost an enormous amount of money 1327 01:12:17,998 --> 01:12:20,678 and he actually made the statement, 1328 01:12:20,677 --> 01:12:23,647 "Well, if I don't sell these pots," 1329 01:12:23,653 --> 01:12:25,393 which were these Japanese ceramics, 1330 01:12:25,387 --> 01:12:27,747 "I'm just gonna have to commit hara-kiri." 1331 01:12:31,496 --> 01:12:34,066 - [Shelley] When I called him, I said, "David, 1332 01:12:34,067 --> 01:12:36,067 "I know you're in trouble, 1333 01:12:36,072 --> 01:12:38,012 "I know you've lost your job, 1334 01:12:38,013 --> 01:12:39,553 "and I wanna help you." 1335 01:12:39,549 --> 01:12:42,549 He stopped because I'd never really said that before 1336 01:12:42,546 --> 01:12:45,626 because I didn't view him as really in trouble, 1337 01:12:45,629 --> 01:12:47,999 and he said, 1338 01:12:47,997 --> 01:12:49,327 "I can't talk about this right now 1339 01:12:49,330 --> 01:12:51,640 "because I don't wanna cry in the middle of the street," 1340 01:12:51,644 --> 01:12:54,584 and I thought, oh my God, this is serious. 1341 01:12:54,578 --> 01:12:57,728 He's really emotionally on the verge of tears. 1342 01:12:59,963 --> 01:13:03,823 - Five months before he jumped, 1343 01:13:03,815 --> 01:13:06,415 he had written a note, an email 1344 01:13:06,415 --> 01:13:09,225 to a couple dozen of his friends 1345 01:13:09,231 --> 01:13:12,031 saying that he had been contemplating suicide 1346 01:13:12,030 --> 01:13:15,100 and a lot of them wrote back to him and called him. 1347 01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,340 However, he never mentioned suicide to me ever, 1348 01:13:19,338 --> 01:13:22,398 and I just can't fathom the idea of committing suicide 1349 01:13:22,399 --> 01:13:25,239 and I just think I thought he was one of those people 1350 01:13:25,237 --> 01:13:27,757 who for him it just wasn't an option, 1351 01:13:27,764 --> 01:13:29,564 but apparently it was. 1352 01:13:31,973 --> 01:13:36,543 (soft ambient music) 1353 01:13:45,754 --> 01:13:47,424 - My daughter was leaving for camp, 1354 01:13:47,417 --> 01:13:50,587 and I said, "You know what, let's go to the movies." 1355 01:13:52,823 --> 01:13:54,513 We went into the theater. 1356 01:14:01,653 --> 01:14:05,013 He just put his head in his hands 1357 01:14:05,013 --> 01:14:09,703 and he just wept. 1358 01:14:09,704 --> 01:14:11,744 He just wept in the movie. 1359 01:14:14,449 --> 01:14:16,549 And I was tearing up a little too, 1360 01:14:16,552 --> 01:14:19,672 but he was just crying and crying and crying. 1361 01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,300 And he put his hand on my leg, 1362 01:14:32,874 --> 01:14:34,554 and I said, 1363 01:14:34,548 --> 01:14:37,518 "Ruby, I don't need to be comforted," 1364 01:14:37,524 --> 01:14:39,284 and he looked at me. 1365 01:14:42,001 --> 01:14:44,511 I thought, oh my God. 1366 01:14:44,508 --> 01:14:45,938 Oh no. 1367 01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:56,220 It was then that I remembered 1368 01:14:58,131 --> 01:15:00,531 that I put the meds in a plain white envelope 1369 01:15:02,256 --> 01:15:04,086 a couple months earlier. 1370 01:15:10,576 --> 01:15:11,656 We got out of the movie theater 1371 01:15:11,664 --> 01:15:14,494 and we were walking to his car, 1372 01:15:14,490 --> 01:15:16,460 and I thought, 1373 01:15:18,737 --> 01:15:21,167 he's not just depressed, he wants to kill himself. 1374 01:15:23,433 --> 01:15:28,433 (melancholy piano music) 1375 01:15:32,723 --> 01:15:34,773 And he said, "The meds, 1376 01:15:34,766 --> 01:15:36,996 "I think I can't sleep because of the meds," 1377 01:15:36,995 --> 01:15:39,435 and I said, 1378 01:15:39,435 --> 01:15:41,005 "I know, I wish I hadn't given them to you 1379 01:15:41,014 --> 01:15:45,404 "because I feel like I made it worse. 1380 01:15:45,395 --> 01:15:48,535 "They had the same effect on me." 1381 01:15:48,539 --> 01:15:50,059 He said, "That's it, actually. 1382 01:15:50,064 --> 01:15:52,534 "I can't sleep, 1383 01:15:52,528 --> 01:15:55,168 "and I'm just up. 1384 01:15:55,173 --> 01:15:59,393 "I can't stop worrying. 1385 01:16:00,802 --> 01:16:02,662 "I just can't turn it off and not sleeping 1386 01:16:02,658 --> 01:16:05,308 "is what is making me crazy. 1387 01:16:06,570 --> 01:16:08,740 "I'm thinking about I'm killing myself." 1388 01:16:09,887 --> 01:16:11,647 And I said, "I know." 1389 01:16:14,677 --> 01:16:17,377 I felt it when we were walking to the car. 1390 01:16:17,381 --> 01:16:18,941 Something was gone. 1391 01:16:21,512 --> 01:16:23,842 And he said, "I'm so ashamed 1392 01:16:23,837 --> 01:16:27,107 "to tell you that I'm thinking about doing this. 1393 01:16:27,112 --> 01:16:29,272 "What would you think of me if I did?" 1394 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,750 And I said, "Ruby, I have understood 1395 01:16:36,752 --> 01:16:40,902 "that there are people who have incessant pain, 1396 01:16:40,901 --> 01:16:43,061 "but (sighs) 1397 01:16:44,568 --> 01:16:47,248 "I don't think you're one of 'em. 1398 01:16:47,245 --> 01:16:49,185 "Do you have plan?" 1399 01:16:50,837 --> 01:16:53,717 And he said, "Well, I'm thinking about different things. 1400 01:16:53,717 --> 01:16:55,527 "I'd overdose except I'm not sure how much to take 1401 01:16:55,530 --> 01:16:57,750 "and I might wake up in an ER, 1402 01:16:57,746 --> 01:17:00,206 "and that would be horrible. 1403 01:17:00,208 --> 01:17:01,308 "And 1404 01:17:03,053 --> 01:17:03,963 "I thought about the bridge," 1405 01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,070 and I said, "You can't do the bridge. 1406 01:17:06,072 --> 01:17:07,752 "Too dramatic." 1407 01:17:07,746 --> 01:17:09,276 He said, "What about people who shoot themselves?" 1408 01:17:09,282 --> 01:17:10,352 And I said, "It's too messy. 1409 01:17:10,349 --> 01:17:13,209 "It's not fair to your landlord. 1410 01:17:13,205 --> 01:17:16,205 "And, anyway, 1411 01:17:16,206 --> 01:17:17,776 "you are not in the category 1412 01:17:17,780 --> 01:17:20,100 "of people who get to kill themselves." 1413 01:17:24,977 --> 01:17:26,537 And then he wanted to come over 1414 01:17:26,535 --> 01:17:29,035 and spend some time and just didn't want to go home yet, 1415 01:17:29,041 --> 01:17:32,701 but I actually just wanted to be by myself. 1416 01:17:34,446 --> 01:17:35,596 I said, "No. 1417 01:17:37,004 --> 01:17:38,204 "Can't. 1418 01:17:42,011 --> 01:17:44,091 "But if you feel really desperate, 1419 01:17:44,086 --> 01:17:45,736 "you call me, I'll drop anything." 1420 01:17:45,742 --> 01:17:47,192 I did say that. 1421 01:17:52,659 --> 01:17:54,669 So then I got him out of my car and went home, 1422 01:17:54,669 --> 01:17:57,079 and I didn't hear from him 1423 01:17:59,019 --> 01:18:00,659 actually ever again. 1424 01:18:24,405 --> 01:18:27,535 ♫ Since I lost you 1425 01:18:30,186 --> 01:18:34,456 ♫ I can't get through the day 1426 01:18:34,458 --> 01:18:37,088 ♫ Without at least 1427 01:18:37,087 --> 01:18:40,417 ♫ One big boo-hoo 1428 01:18:42,750 --> 01:18:47,020 ♫ The pain won't go away 1429 01:18:47,018 --> 01:18:49,808 ♫ What am I gonna do ♫ 1430 01:18:51,652 --> 01:18:54,922 - We all know how much 1431 01:18:54,923 --> 01:18:58,143 all of us had been close to Jim, 1432 01:18:58,135 --> 01:19:01,565 how his passing has affected us, whether it's 1433 01:19:02,889 --> 01:19:05,449 fear that, 1434 01:19:05,452 --> 01:19:07,602 you know, you might get to that same place 1435 01:19:07,603 --> 01:19:11,393 and do the same thing or 1436 01:19:11,390 --> 01:19:15,260 just guilt because you felt you weren't a good enough friend 1437 01:19:15,261 --> 01:19:19,721 or whatever it is, there is a lot different reactions. 1438 01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,810 Talking to everybody, there's a lot of different reactions. 1439 01:19:25,349 --> 01:19:27,359 And I think everyone's trying to make sense of it. 1440 01:19:30,008 --> 01:19:32,978 In Jim's particular passing, which 1441 01:19:32,981 --> 01:19:34,841 as a friend of mine said, 1442 01:19:34,837 --> 01:19:39,527 he was warning you but he was not asking for help. 1443 01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:46,540 - I thought 1444 01:19:46,536 --> 01:19:49,856 that he was probably feeling so ashamed 1445 01:19:49,864 --> 01:19:51,194 'cause the theme of that night was 1446 01:19:51,186 --> 01:19:53,576 I'm so ashamed I'm telling you this 1447 01:19:53,575 --> 01:19:54,885 that I 1448 01:19:56,573 --> 01:20:00,643 made the mistake of giving him some space to recover, 1449 01:20:01,999 --> 01:20:05,109 and that was a bad call, I think. 1450 01:20:07,055 --> 01:20:09,855 You know, I could have 51-50'd him. 1451 01:20:09,863 --> 01:20:12,713 (water splashes) 1452 01:20:12,706 --> 01:20:14,046 But, also, 1453 01:20:14,047 --> 01:20:15,487 I didn't wanna humiliate him 1454 01:20:15,487 --> 01:20:17,587 and have him be in a psych facility 1455 01:20:17,589 --> 01:20:19,329 'cause I wasn't sure they were really gonna help him 1456 01:20:19,326 --> 01:20:21,496 and I didn't wanna cross my boundaries. 1457 01:20:22,919 --> 01:20:26,229 But I will never again not intrude. 1458 01:20:26,231 --> 01:20:28,171 I won't respect their privacy 1459 01:20:28,174 --> 01:20:31,674 and I will not ever again 1460 01:20:31,665 --> 01:20:33,355 not do something 'cause I'm afraid 1461 01:20:33,361 --> 01:20:36,031 that they might be embarrassed. 1462 01:20:39,246 --> 01:20:42,486 - There's obviously a fuzzy line between 1463 01:20:42,488 --> 01:20:45,648 doing nothing and doing what would have prevented it 1464 01:20:45,645 --> 01:20:48,655 and who knows where that line is? 1465 01:20:48,664 --> 01:20:49,884 He was a grownup. 1466 01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:51,970 I couldn't tell him what to do with his life, 1467 01:20:51,970 --> 01:20:54,310 and I suppose if we had had him locked up 1468 01:20:54,306 --> 01:20:58,106 or something, then he might still be alive, 1469 01:20:58,114 --> 01:21:00,854 but I don't 1470 01:21:00,849 --> 01:21:03,469 blame myself like that. 1471 01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,330 Initially, several of his other friends 1472 01:21:08,325 --> 01:21:10,315 went out there as a group 1473 01:21:10,322 --> 01:21:13,672 because they knew the light pole number 1474 01:21:13,671 --> 01:21:16,171 (water splashes) where he had jumped. 1475 01:21:17,967 --> 01:21:19,547 I couldn't go, 1476 01:21:19,546 --> 01:21:21,906 but a couple of months later, I did go 1477 01:21:21,914 --> 01:21:23,794 and it was very difficult, 1478 01:21:23,791 --> 01:21:27,091 and I'll never be able to drive across the bridge again 1479 01:21:27,087 --> 01:21:29,897 without some kind of 1480 01:21:31,361 --> 01:21:33,391 emotional reaction. 1481 01:21:34,953 --> 01:21:36,933 Something else I'm pissed off at him about. 1482 01:21:36,926 --> 01:21:38,866 It's such a great bridge. 1483 01:21:42,366 --> 01:21:44,776 - I think the bridge has a romance, 1484 01:21:47,841 --> 01:21:50,191 a false romantic promise to it 1485 01:21:52,208 --> 01:21:54,118 because he's dead. 1486 01:21:55,837 --> 01:21:57,087 And 1487 01:21:59,025 --> 01:22:00,915 he doesn't get to benefit 1488 01:22:00,924 --> 01:22:03,234 from the romanticism of it. 1489 01:22:03,225 --> 01:22:06,215 He doesn't have any benefit from it. 1490 01:22:06,224 --> 01:22:10,174 It romanticizes him a bit in the legend, 1491 01:22:15,083 --> 01:22:17,293 but he doesn't benefit for it. 1492 01:22:17,285 --> 01:22:19,965 So what if his story has that at the end? 1493 01:22:19,973 --> 01:22:21,183 He's gone. 1494 01:22:23,255 --> 01:22:24,795 And so I think there's an empty promise. 1495 01:22:24,799 --> 01:22:27,149 It's almost like, you know what alcoholics talk about 1496 01:22:27,150 --> 01:22:29,410 the romance of the bottle, you know? 1497 01:22:30,589 --> 01:22:32,799 Like maybe the first sip is really good 1498 01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,150 and everything else is hell. 1499 01:22:35,154 --> 01:22:36,304 So maybe walking out there, 1500 01:22:36,295 --> 01:22:39,735 he had a romantic moment or two or an hour, 1501 01:22:41,444 --> 01:22:43,984 but hitting the water can't be fun. 1502 01:22:45,900 --> 01:22:47,160 So I think he felt like a failure 1503 01:22:47,159 --> 01:22:49,339 and this was some sort of redemption. 1504 01:22:52,607 --> 01:22:56,167 I think that it just drew him with this idea of 1505 01:22:59,142 --> 01:23:00,652 being famous. 1506 01:23:02,971 --> 01:23:07,741 (soft ambient music) 1507 01:23:30,993 --> 01:23:35,883 (water splashes) 1508 01:23:47,031 --> 01:23:50,481 - The last time I saw him, I was leaving for work 1509 01:23:50,477 --> 01:23:54,737 and I gave him five bucks so he could get a pack of smokes, 1510 01:23:54,742 --> 01:23:57,922 go grab a paper, and, you know, 1511 01:23:57,921 --> 01:24:00,341 go out and maybe hit a couple places 1512 01:24:00,344 --> 01:24:02,724 to put in some applications, 1513 01:24:02,718 --> 01:24:04,628 and that's when he disappeared 1514 01:24:04,627 --> 01:24:08,197 and I was the last one to actually talk to him, 1515 01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:12,500 and I remember when I was walking out the door, 1516 01:24:12,500 --> 01:24:15,280 the last thing I said to him, I said, 1517 01:24:15,275 --> 01:24:16,965 "Cheer up, Gene." 1518 01:24:16,974 --> 01:24:20,434 I said, "Everything will work out." 1519 01:24:20,428 --> 01:24:24,068 And just jokingly, I said, 1520 01:24:24,067 --> 01:24:25,707 "See you when I get home, love you," 1521 01:24:25,706 --> 01:24:29,286 and that was it, that was the last thing I ever said to him. 1522 01:24:30,524 --> 01:24:33,014 - The last thing I ever said to him was a fight. 1523 01:24:33,010 --> 01:24:34,960 - Yeah. 1524 01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:36,540 - [Jen] Because 1525 01:24:36,538 --> 01:24:39,158 I didn't think he was trying 1526 01:24:39,155 --> 01:24:42,155 to find a job as hard as he could, 1527 01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:43,289 and it was making me angry 1528 01:24:43,290 --> 01:24:45,100 because I knew that he was very smart 1529 01:24:45,103 --> 01:24:46,843 and he was very capable 1530 01:24:46,841 --> 01:24:49,681 and the only thing holding him back was him 1531 01:24:49,679 --> 01:24:51,489 just not caring, 1532 01:24:51,492 --> 01:24:53,842 and he found one of the kid's sidewalk chalk 1533 01:24:53,838 --> 01:24:57,338 and he was sittin' behind Matt's truck 1534 01:24:57,337 --> 01:25:00,287 and he wrote "End me" on the ground 1535 01:25:00,291 --> 01:25:03,171 like he scratched it in over and over and over, 1536 01:25:03,171 --> 01:25:05,211 and my son came in and got me 1537 01:25:05,208 --> 01:25:07,248 and said, "Why would Gene write that?" 1538 01:25:08,971 --> 01:25:13,381 (soft ambient music) 1539 01:25:15,326 --> 01:25:18,806 - Knowing Gene and the way his personality works and stuff, 1540 01:25:18,811 --> 01:25:20,781 the Golden Gate Bridge is perfect for him 1541 01:25:20,784 --> 01:25:24,514 because it's just one easy step 1542 01:25:24,510 --> 01:25:26,220 and there's no turning back. 1543 01:25:26,224 --> 01:25:28,754 In hindsight, I almost feel like 1544 01:25:28,752 --> 01:25:30,942 it was meant to happen. 1545 01:25:30,938 --> 01:25:32,598 Maybe he's happy now. 1546 01:25:32,602 --> 01:25:33,402 You know, who knows? 1547 01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:35,410 I don't, but 1548 01:25:39,686 --> 01:25:42,416 he couldn't have lasted much longer, 1549 01:25:42,423 --> 01:25:44,613 not the way he was going. 1550 01:25:44,610 --> 01:25:46,860 - But if he would have waited, 1551 01:25:46,860 --> 01:25:48,280 there was a message on our answering machine 1552 01:25:48,279 --> 01:25:50,829 from one of the places in Oakland 1553 01:25:50,828 --> 01:25:52,988 that had offered him a management position 1554 01:25:52,993 --> 01:25:54,323 which is what he wanted. 1555 01:25:54,316 --> 01:25:57,366 They were opening a new GameStop, I think it was. 1556 01:25:57,368 --> 01:25:57,998 - Whatever, 1557 01:25:57,996 --> 01:25:58,826 one of the game places. - [NAME] One of game 1558 01:25:58,828 --> 01:26:00,448 stores and they were gonna put him 1559 01:26:00,449 --> 01:26:01,969 straight into management, 1560 01:26:01,974 --> 01:26:03,554 and he had an interview the day that he jumped 1561 01:26:03,553 --> 01:26:05,133 at 10 o'clock in the morning. 1562 01:26:05,131 --> 01:26:05,861 - [Matt] Yep. 1563 01:26:05,857 --> 01:26:08,197 - [Jen] And I don't know if he got the message 1564 01:26:08,203 --> 01:26:11,463 or if he missed it 'cause I don't know what time he left. 1565 01:26:11,456 --> 01:26:13,396 He was gone before I got home. 1566 01:26:16,318 --> 01:26:19,378 If he would've either just checked the message or waited. 1567 01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:29,449 - I couldn't fully cry, and I couldn't 1568 01:26:29,450 --> 01:26:34,310 fully whatever, but the overwhelming emotion was anger. 1569 01:26:35,564 --> 01:26:38,544 I was extremely pissed. 1570 01:26:38,536 --> 01:26:42,796 I wanted to drive out to the Bay Area and 1571 01:26:42,797 --> 01:26:44,837 go to the coroner and 1572 01:26:46,856 --> 01:26:49,336 you know, get, clear! (imitates defibrillator) 1573 01:26:49,341 --> 01:26:50,331 Wake up. 1574 01:26:50,333 --> 01:26:52,453 Why did you do that? 1575 01:26:52,445 --> 01:26:55,495 I don't see any reason 1576 01:26:55,495 --> 01:26:57,435 for people to do that, 1577 01:26:58,745 --> 01:27:02,715 and Gene had people in this world that loved him, 1578 01:27:04,201 --> 01:27:06,431 and he hurt 'em. 1579 01:27:08,734 --> 01:27:11,754 If I see him again, that's what I wanna tell him. 1580 01:27:11,753 --> 01:27:13,053 He hurt me, 1581 01:27:13,054 --> 01:27:15,384 and I didn't think he would ever do that. 1582 01:27:22,695 --> 01:27:24,875 - Disturbed is a interesting word 1583 01:27:24,881 --> 01:27:28,181 'cause (laughs) that's all I can define it as 1584 01:27:28,177 --> 01:27:30,107 is I was disturbed. 1585 01:27:30,107 --> 01:27:31,487 Now I miss him. 1586 01:27:31,494 --> 01:27:33,674 Now I'm sad. 1587 01:27:33,669 --> 01:27:37,169 But at the moment, there was almost, 1588 01:27:38,787 --> 01:27:42,737 that I got the news, there was almost a sense of relief, 1589 01:27:47,321 --> 01:27:50,501 that he wasn't going to be 1590 01:27:50,498 --> 01:27:53,758 disappointed or unhappy anymore. 1591 01:27:56,789 --> 01:27:58,909 I miss him. 1592 01:27:58,911 --> 01:28:03,761 But I don't have any answers, 1593 01:28:06,172 --> 01:28:10,122 just a bunch of observations and a bunch of 1594 01:28:10,115 --> 01:28:14,415 experience of feeling disturbed 1595 01:28:14,418 --> 01:28:16,768 about that situation. 1596 01:28:17,999 --> 01:28:20,869 I don't know why people kill themselves, 1597 01:28:20,868 --> 01:28:23,448 and yet it's a small step 1598 01:28:23,451 --> 01:28:26,011 to emphasize, to say... 1599 01:28:27,292 --> 01:28:30,742 because I think we all experience moments of despair 1600 01:28:30,742 --> 01:28:35,552 that it would be so much easier not to do this anymore. 1601 01:28:37,334 --> 01:28:39,424 But for most of us, 1602 01:28:39,424 --> 01:28:41,954 the sun comes out and then, 1603 01:28:41,952 --> 01:28:43,702 oh well. 1604 01:28:43,695 --> 01:28:45,905 Tomorrow is another day. 1605 01:28:45,905 --> 01:28:50,505 (soft ambient music) 1606 01:28:54,717 --> 01:28:58,257 Why he chose the bridge, I don't know. 1607 01:28:59,834 --> 01:29:02,204 Maybe there's a certain amount of 1608 01:29:02,202 --> 01:29:05,472 release from 1609 01:29:05,471 --> 01:29:07,631 pain by pain. 1610 01:29:10,701 --> 01:29:13,231 Maybe he just wanted to fly one time. 1611 01:29:13,230 --> 01:29:18,230 (somber string music) 1612 01:29:55,538 --> 01:30:00,318 ♫ Here, where they can't find us 1613 01:30:00,316 --> 01:30:02,796 ♫ Dare them to call 1614 01:30:03,844 --> 01:30:05,834 ♫ Me out 1615 01:30:07,076 --> 01:30:08,186 ♫ Or tell you 1616 01:30:08,190 --> 01:30:12,550 ♫ We met here on purpose 1617 01:30:12,548 --> 01:30:15,348 ♫ I bet they can't wait 1618 01:30:16,343 --> 01:30:19,453 ♫ To wake us up 1619 01:30:19,448 --> 01:30:21,988 ♫ It's all 1620 01:30:21,992 --> 01:30:24,932 ♫ A little bit strange 1621 01:30:26,096 --> 01:30:27,926 ♫ I know 1622 01:30:27,931 --> 01:30:31,291 ♫ It's a little bit strange 1623 01:30:33,221 --> 01:30:34,501 ♫ Make 1624 01:30:34,501 --> 01:30:37,561 ♫ A point and ignore them 1625 01:30:37,562 --> 01:30:41,312 ♫ Come on, let's wait 1626 01:30:41,309 --> 01:30:43,529 ♫ This out 1627 01:30:44,602 --> 01:30:45,652 ♫ They'll find out 1628 01:30:45,647 --> 01:30:50,007 ♫ We never stopped turning 1629 01:30:50,009 --> 01:30:53,859 ♫ And sometimes it's tough 1630 01:30:53,859 --> 01:30:57,229 ♫ To change direction 1631 01:30:57,230 --> 01:30:59,420 ♫ I know 1632 01:30:59,417 --> 01:31:02,327 ♫ It's a little bit strange 1633 01:31:03,712 --> 01:31:05,742 ♫ It's all 1634 01:31:05,742 --> 01:31:10,282 ♫ A little bit strange 1635 01:31:10,279 --> 01:31:12,629 ♫ At the end of the day 1636 01:31:12,629 --> 01:31:15,279 ♫ Well, I 1637 01:31:16,413 --> 01:31:18,993 ♫ Gonna say what I mean 1638 01:31:18,985 --> 01:31:21,895 ♫ Well, I 1639 01:31:22,910 --> 01:31:25,140 ♫ It's slipping all away 1640 01:31:25,139 --> 01:31:27,709 ♫ Away 1641 01:31:28,968 --> 01:31:30,468 ♫ At the end 1642 01:31:30,472 --> 01:31:33,742 ♫ Of our days 1643 01:31:34,909 --> 01:31:37,209 ♫ We'll escape 1644 01:31:41,276 --> 01:31:43,396 ♫ We'll escape 1645 01:31:53,748 --> 01:31:55,528 ♫ I know 1646 01:32:00,823 --> 01:32:04,493 ♫ Oh, oo, oh 1647 01:32:07,052 --> 01:32:10,902 ♫ Oh, oo, oh 1648 01:32:12,758 --> 01:32:14,358 ♫ I know 1649 01:32:14,359 --> 01:32:17,489 ♫ It's a little bit strange 1650 01:32:18,955 --> 01:32:20,885 ♫ It's all 1651 01:32:20,886 --> 01:32:25,366 ♫ A little bit strange 1652 01:32:25,370 --> 01:32:27,750 ♫ At the end of the day 1653 01:32:27,754 --> 01:32:30,064 ♫ Well, I 1654 01:32:31,509 --> 01:32:33,989 ♫ Gonna say what I mean 1655 01:32:33,994 --> 01:32:36,344 ♫ Well, I 1656 01:32:37,749 --> 01:32:40,389 ♫ At the end of the day 1657 01:32:40,394 --> 01:32:42,484 ♫ I 1658 01:32:43,604 --> 01:32:46,684 ♫ Gonna say what I mean 1659 01:32:46,678 --> 01:32:50,468 ♫ Well, I 1660 01:32:50,471 --> 01:32:55,461 ♫ Slipping all away 1661 01:32:56,796 --> 01:33:01,796 ♫ Slipping all away 1662 01:33:03,025 --> 01:33:06,745 ♫ Slipping all away 1663 01:33:06,745 --> 01:33:09,105 ♫ Now 1664 01:33:09,112 --> 01:33:11,972 ♫ At the end of 1665 01:33:11,968 --> 01:33:14,018 ♫ Our day 1666 01:33:15,208 --> 01:33:17,398 ♫ We'll escape 1667 01:33:21,405 --> 01:33:23,805 ♫ We'll escape 1668 01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:29,369 ♫ Oh, there's no escape 1669 01:33:34,055 --> 01:33:36,235 ♫ We'll escape 1670 01:33:37,564 --> 01:33:42,534 ♫ Oh, yeah 1671 01:33:46,460 --> 01:33:48,290 ♫ Right now 1672 01:33:53,519 --> 01:33:57,049 ♫ Oh, oo, oh 1673 01:33:59,557 --> 01:34:03,727 ♫ Oh, oo, oh ♫ 116467

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