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During the years of triumph,
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Germans couldn't see enough
of Adolf Hitler -
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Germany's saviour.
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Germany's greatest statesman.
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The greatest general
the world had ever seen.
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But as the war turned against Germany,
Hitler disappeared from public view.
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And at the last,
the German people knew nothing.
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They were told he had died
a hero's death, but that was all.
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Nazis, and later the Russians,
concealed what they knew about his end.
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The first Westerner
to investigate the affair
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was British historian Hugh Trevor-Roper.
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The controversy began because
Hitler was last heard of in the West
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when he made a broadcast
on the 22nd, I think, of April 1945,
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saying that he would stay in Berlin.
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And when the Russians captured Berlin,
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no announcement was made about his life
or death or anything about him.
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The body of Goebbels was found
and shown by the Russians.
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The body of Hitler was not.
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And five months
after Hitler's disappearance,
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the Russians accused
the British authorities in Germany
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of concealing Hitler and Eva Braun
in the British zone
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for ultimate use against the Russians.
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This was the last straw which provoked
the British authorities in Germany
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to decide to settle this matter
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and I was appointed
to find out the facts.
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That's the beginning of the controversy.
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And of course I naturally consider
that when I had made my report,
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on 1 November, 1945,
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the controversy should logically
have come to an end.
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Why it went on, I can't think,
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except for the perpetual
Russian mystification.
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(narrator) Yelena Rzhevskaya was
an interpreter with the Red Army unit
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which tried to find Hitler.
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Dr Faust Shkaravsky
headed the autopsy commission
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which examined the body
the Russians found.
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Professor Keith Simpson
is a British pathologist
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who has assessed the Soviet findings.
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Dental expert Reidar Sognnaes
found important new evidence
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in a U nited States archive.
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Albert Speer, Nazi armaments minister,
saw Hitler often during the war.
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Heinz Linge was Hitler's valet
and closest personal servant.
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Hitler's secretary Traudl Junge
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was with him in the underground
headquarters, the bunker, until the end.
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This situation in the bunker
was a fantastic one.
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One really can't... An unrealistic one.
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One really can't describe how the moods
went on and off like waves.
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Sometimes they were all exhilarating
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and we were thinking,
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"Well, now the Western troops
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are coming for release of Berlin."
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Goebbels was exclaiming
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one of the biggest decisions of the war
that Hitler made.
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"He is now determined to...
no more to fight against the West,
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only to the East in Berlin,
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and this will mean that
the Western powers will join us
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in our fight against Russia."
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And such things happened
every now and then,
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and then a few minutes afterwards
everybody was speaking about suicide.
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(speaking German)
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(translator) Since Stalingrad,
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Hitler's state of health
had been constantly deteriorating.
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He dragged one of his legs somewhat
and got a shaking in his arm.
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During the last days in the bunker,
this got much worse.
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During April, when the report came
through that Roosevelt was dead,
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and Truman had said that America's
area of interest was not in Europe,
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but in East Asia,
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Hitler drew some hopes from this
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and clung to it like a drowning man
clutching a last straw.
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We spoke about committing suicide
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as other people talk about fashions
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or about what they have done today.
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And so Eva Braun asked
for the best and the painless,
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the most painless method
to commit suicide.
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And Hitler said,
"That would be cyanide."
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"You don't feel anything."
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And she said, "Then I would prefer that,
because if I shoot myself,
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I would make an ugly impression
when I am dead."
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Hitler himself saw no other solution
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and no other way out
than to commit suicide himself too.
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And so it infected us a little.
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It was a most varied theme of our
conversations, how to commit suicide.
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It was a little macabre. And then he
gave us capsules, poison capsules.
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It was in a brass, in a brass...
like a lipstick.
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It looked like a lipstick
in brass... outside wrapping.
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And he gave it to Mrs Christian and me
and said,
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"l would like to give you
a nice present,
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but I think this one
will be of much use for you."
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And with a regretting smile,
he gave us this poison.
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(speaking German)
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(translator) He himself also did not
have the sort of trust he used to have
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towards other people,
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even, for instance,
towards his own doctors.
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I had to give him his eye drops
in the morning.
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He maintained that I had
a particularly steady hand.
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But I believe that it was more
his mistrust of other people.
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Also, when the doctor came
to take his blood,
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I had to be there and keep an eye on it.
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It became more and more clear
that he mistrusted everybody.
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And one day there came one of the men
of the press bureau, press office,
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and brought the news.
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I think he had heard it by radio
from Reuters news agency,
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that Himmler had had negotiations
with Count Bernadotte for capitulation
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and Hitler was very upset
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because he held Himmler
for his most faithful paladin
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and the most reliable one,
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and now he saw that also
he had tried to betray him.
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He remembered suddenly that the poison
which he had to use for himself
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was given to him
from one of Himmler's staff
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and he mistrusted that it may affect...
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Perhaps Himmler tried a dirty trick
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and gave him something that would
only make him unconscious,
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so that he could be transported
against his will out of the bunker
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and delivered to the enemy.
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And to test this,
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he ordered a doctor to try to test
this poison capsule on the dog.
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I think next to Eva Braun,
this one was next to him.
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So he said farewell
and Blondi died very promptly.
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(speaking German)
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(translator)
The telegram came from Goering,
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which said, "Mein Führer".
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No longer "My beloved Führer",
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but just "Mein Führer".
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"l know that you are now totally cut off
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and are no longer in possession
of full freedom to command."
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"According to the law of succession,
I will now step into your position
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and will undertake to represent Germany
both in internal and external matters."
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"Yours, Goering."
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Hitler was so worked up over this.
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He sat in his chair
and could not grasp it at first.
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This was added to by Bormann,
who added fuel to the fire somewhat,
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so that Hitler then said, "To give me
an ultimatum, that really is the end."
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It was sad to see how Hitler
went down and down.
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He walked very stooped and bent,
his hand shaking badly,
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which he used to put inside his jacket
so that people didn't see it so much,
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and his dragging leg.
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And this whole mood spread
over all around him.
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Nobody knew what they should do
any more.
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It came in my mind
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that perhaps he always
was the first commander of the army
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and the chief of all soldiers,
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so it would be more stylish
and more logical
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to fight his last battle,
his last fight,
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and to die on the honour
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and to fall with his soldiers.
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But he refused.
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"Yes, it would be right,
but I cannot do that
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because my health state is too low
and I am so trembling
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that I couldn't hold a pistol
and couldn't handle it."
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"So.... And I am not sure
that any one of my paladins
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would be able to give me the last,
the death shot if I was only wounded,
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and I am not willing
to fall in the hands of the enemy,
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neither alive nor dead."
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(narrator) By April 29, Soviet troops
were fighting inside Berlin.
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Hitler began putting his affairs
in order.
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He married his mistress Eva Braun,
and then he summoned Traudl Junge
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to dictate to her his personal
and political testaments.
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Then he began, "My last will."
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Then he dictated me
at first his private will
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and afterwards his political testimony.
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And I must confess that I was...
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I was at first in a very excited mood,
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because I expected that I would be
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the first and the only one who knows,
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who is going to know
the explanation and declaration
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why the war had come to this end
and why Hitler couldn't stop
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and why the development
and why the catastrophe...
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I thought, "Now comes
the moment of the truth."
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And I was heart bumping
when I wrote down what Hitler said.
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But he used nothing new.
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He came out with his old phrases.
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He repeated his accusations,
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his swearing to the enemy
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and to the Jewish capitalistic system.
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And then he announced,
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in the second part
of the political testament,
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he announced a new government.
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(speaking German)
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(translator) The next day,
reports came in,
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and it was now clear to him that the
Russians could break in at any moment.
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When Hitler said farewell to me,
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l... I went to him against him
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and he came toward me
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and his face was already dead.
It was like a mask.
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He looked at me, but I had the feeling
he looked through me,
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and he gave me a shake of the hand
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and murmured something,
but I didn't understand.
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It's... I had not understand
what he said at last.
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But Eva Braun was beside him
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and he... shook hands to all the others.
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She embraced me really heartily
and looked at me with a little sad smile
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and said,
"Please try to go out of here."
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"Please try to come to Munich again
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and give my regards
to my beloved Bavaria."
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And then he...
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she and Hitler
shut the door and retired
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and I had an absolute need
for... for fleeing, and l... l...
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I fled these stairs upside
on the next level,
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and there I found the children
of Goebbels.
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(speaking German)
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(translator)
He said farewell to everybody
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and I was the last one he came to.
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Hitler said to me,
"l have given the order to break out."
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"You should break out in groups,
join one of these groups
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and try to get through to the West."
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Then I asked Hitler,
"For whom should we fight on for now?"
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And to that Hitler said in a monotone,
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"For the coming man."
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I saluted him. He gave me his hand
and I disappeared out of the room.
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I was so upset, and for a moment
I didn't know what to do.
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I ran over to the bodyguard.
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But after a short while, I went back
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because I assumed
now it must surely have happened.
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Suddenly there was a bang.
There was a shot.
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And it was obviously within the bunker,
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because the noises of the outside...
shooting,
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we know how they sound.
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And the little boy of Goebbels,
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he noticed and he noticed
that there was another sound.
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He said, "Oh, that was a bull-eye...
that was a bull's-eye."
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And I thought, "Yes, you are right,
that was really a bull's-eye."
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(speaking German)
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(translator)
I went into Hitler's workroom
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with the former
Reichsleiter Bormann,
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and this picture
presented itself to us.
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Hitler was sitting
on the left of the sofa
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with his face bent slightly forward
and hanging down to the right.
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With the 7.65 he had shot himself
in the right temple.
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The blood had run down onto the carpet,
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and from this pool of blood,
a splash had got onto the sofa.
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Eva Braun was sitting on his right.
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Eva Braun had drawn both her legs up
onto the sofa
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and was sitting there
with cramped lips,
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so that it immediately became clear
to us that she had taken cyanide.
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I took Hitler by his neck.
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Behind me were two other officers
from the Escort Commando.
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And so we took Hitler's body
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and proceeded with it into the park.
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In the park we laid the bodies together,
next to each other
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and poured the available petrol
over them.
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In the Reichschancellery Park,
there was fire all around it
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and there was a draught,
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so that we could not set the corpse
alight with an ordinary match.
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So I twisted a taper out of some paper
with notes on it,
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and Reichsleiter Bormann,
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who meanwhile had also come upstairs
with some others,
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like Dr Goebbels, Burgdorf and officers,
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lit the taper and I threw the taper
onto the bodies
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and in an instant
the corpses were set alight.
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As regards the burning of the bodies
of Hitler and Eva Braun,
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I should like to add that the flames
lit them for about half an hour,
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that only the woollen blankets and the
clothes were affected by this and burnt,
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and not the body itself.
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It was clear to us afterwards that we
should have laid the corpses on them.
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Then the bodies
would have been totally charred.
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But this was in consequence
of the whole mood.
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We couldn't collect our thoughts
any more.
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And apart from that, the troops who
should make the break-out with us
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were quartered in the Reichschancellery.
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If the soldiers had seen
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that we were burning Hitler's
and Eva Braun's bodies -
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one can't just say Hitler's body -
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they would probably not have been
prepared to carry out the break-out.
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(narrator) Even before Berlin fell,
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a Soviet investigating team had been
given the job of finding Hitler
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or his corpse.
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lncomplete reports and poor photographs
of their work were eventually released.
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This is supposed to be the very spot
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where they found the bodies
of Hitler and of Eva Braun.
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The Russians never admitted
that Hitler was dead until 1950,
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when they produced a film.
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They then revealed no details,
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although we now know
that they had all the facts.
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The details they have revealed
have been revealed in such a form
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that it doesn't carry a great deal
of conviction or not full conviction.
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(speaking Russian)
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(translator) On 4 May,
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I saw them lying in the garden
of the lmperial Chancellery
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wrapped in a grey blanket.
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In fact, on 4 May,
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they were discovered in a bomb crater
spattered with earth
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by Churakov,
one of the soldiers in our group.
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Their bodies were dragged from there to
the garden of the lmperial Chancellery.
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(narrator) The bodies were sent
to Dr Faust Shkaravsky
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to be autopsied by himself
and his five-man team.
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(speaks Russian)
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(translator) One should however say
that Hitler's and Eva Braun's bodies
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were badly charred,
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unrecognisably so,
especially that of Eva Braun.
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Hitler too was charred, but less so.
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From the outside,
one couldn't have said who it was.
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You see, the extremities,
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that is the ends of the hands
and lower part of the foot,
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were completely gone -
they'd been burnt away.
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The torso itself was a dark colour,
like some sort of coal.
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The crown of the head was
extremely badly burnt in places,
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so much so that a lump of skin,
sorry, of bone, had been burnt.
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We approached the examination
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with the highest degree of care
that it was possible to observe.
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Everything that was possible to be seen
from the autopsy we examined,
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and then we took samples of fluids
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and despatched it all to the
district medical research laboratory,
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which was called, as far
as I can remember, cellar 291.
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They did the examination
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and advised me by telegraph
either one or two days later -
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I don't remember the date too well -
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that the traces found were either
cyanide or cyanide compounds.
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The autopsy for Hitler, for instance,
which they have published,
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has never been published
in the original Russian.
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It has only been published
in German and English.
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It was released in... an unusual way,
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in a way which, perhaps unfairly,
seems to deprive it of authority.
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(narrator) Here, in Russian,
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is Shkaravsky's typed copy
of the autopsy report.
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It states, "On the body,
considerably damaged by fire,
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no visible signs of severe
lethal injuries or illnesses
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could be detected."
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"The presence in the oral cavity of the
remnants of a crushed glass ampoule;
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the marked smell of bitter almonds
emanating from the bodies
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and the forensic chemical test
of internal organs,
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which established the presence
of cyanide compounds,
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permit the commission
to arrive at the conclusion
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that death in this instance was caused
by poisoning with cyanide compounds."
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The report also says that "Part
of the occipital vault is missing."
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Since this is part of the skull,
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some people say it leaves open the
possibility that Hitler was also shot.
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I've read the autopsy report. I expect
it's mainly directed by Shkaravsky.
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But he had assistance,
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and I would regard it
as a very full and searching autopsy.
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The postmortem appears to have been
a really searching one
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and to have been thorough
by ordinary standards.
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(narrator) But was this body Hitler's?
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The corpse had only one testicle,
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and the body was not as tall
as Hitler was known to be.
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(speaking Russian)
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(translator) I repeat,
the body was badly charred
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and the extremities
were even more charred.
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And so, to speak of a difference
of six, seven or even ten centimetres,
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to ascertain it accurately
would be beyond our scope.
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And this was why we wrote
"approximately" in the end.
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And even if in life he measured 1.75 and
in the autopsy he only measured 1.65,
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I don't see this
as being anything significant.
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A body shrinks when burned and I think
the difference is too small to matter.
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(speaking Russian)
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(translator) There was indeed
one genital missing,
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which we discovered quite by chance,
346
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but it had nothing to do
with the case in hand.
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We usually treat
this extremely rare occurrence
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by looking in the sperm duct itself.
349
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But it wasn't there.
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Then we looked in the lower intestine
regions, but it wasn't there either.
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So we came to the conclusion
that it was in fact absent.
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To find one testicle only,
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which I was amused to see in the report
was found quite by accident -
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it doesn't appear to have been
searched for - is not uncommon.
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00:29:13,931 --> 00:29:17,933
They did search properly, but it's not
uncommon to find only one testicle.
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I don't think that's a very important
point of identification.
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And we don't know if Hitler
had only one testicle or not.
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The ordinary methods of identifying
a dead body as a particular person -
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their clothing, papers, documents,
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credit cards and things
in their pockets,
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the features,
which can be recognised by relatives,
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colour of the hair and eyes,
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and fingerprints,
if it comes to detail of that order -
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are of course destroyed
when the body is subjected to fire.
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When it's scorched badly
or is charred,
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almost all those things disappear,
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00:30:03,811 --> 00:30:08,605
and you are left with a study
of what is sometimes nearly a skeleton.
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So you can only identify a person
as being male or female,
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a certain height and probably
somewhere near a certain age.
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The fingerprints will have disappeared.
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Now you also, because the teeth tend to
be preserved from fire inside the mouth,
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have one other source of information.
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The teeth, especially if they include
a lot of detail of conservation,
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repair work, of fillings and bridges
and other similar things,
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can provide a mine of information
about identification.
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00:30:45,222 --> 00:30:47,182
(speaking Russian)
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00:30:47,266 --> 00:30:49,852
(translator) The teeth were so unusual
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that their identification would mean
the identification of the corpse.
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One should also comment
that in the upper jaw
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on the left-hand side, I think -
I don't remember for certain -
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well, high up in the left-hand jaw,
there was a smooth file mark.
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It was felt that some mistake had been
made in the filing of the dentures
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00:31:16,419 --> 00:31:20,629
and a stomatologist had filed off
a piece of the bridge.
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00:31:24,008 --> 00:31:28,012
Taken all in all, we paid
considerable attention to the teeth.
385
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Of course, for those to have any value,
like fingerprints,
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00:31:33,017 --> 00:31:34,726
you must have records.
387
00:31:34,810 --> 00:31:39,064
You must have a dental surgeon who
has been careful to keep full records,
388
00:31:39,148 --> 00:31:43,692
and you must have photographs
and x-rays.
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00:31:43,818 --> 00:31:46,486
And it is when you can,
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00:31:46,571 --> 00:31:50,698
by making careful note of the details
in your dead body,
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00:31:50,785 --> 00:31:52,658
take these to a dental surgeon,
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00:31:52,743 --> 00:31:56,871
whom you suspect to have looked after
that supposed body,
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00:31:56,955 --> 00:32:03,044
by comparing the two and finding
that they do match in detail,
394
00:32:03,170 --> 00:32:07,590
then you can be as certain
as you could with fingerprints
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00:32:07,674 --> 00:32:13,970
that that is the body of this person
whose records that dental surgeon has.
396
00:32:14,055 --> 00:32:18,308
(narrator) Hitler did have
a personal dentist, Hugo Blaschke.
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No one could find him.
398
00:32:20,143 --> 00:32:23,396
So the investigators began
the search for his assistant.
399
00:32:23,523 --> 00:32:26,566
(speaking Russian)
400
00:32:29,402 --> 00:32:33,447
(translator) Käthe Hausermann
was the assistant of Professor Blaschke,
401
00:32:33,532 --> 00:32:36,283
who was Hitler's personal dentist.
402
00:32:36,367 --> 00:32:38,660
In a medical investigation,
403
00:32:38,744 --> 00:32:43,247
her participation was an extremely
important link in the chain
404
00:32:43,332 --> 00:32:47,127
because nobody else could have
determined Hitler's teeth,
405
00:32:47,210 --> 00:32:51,004
which were in perfectly good order,
to such a degree.
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00:32:51,131 --> 00:32:52,965
And this being the case,
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00:32:53,091 --> 00:32:57,427
her place in the investigation
was extremely important.
408
00:33:02,267 --> 00:33:05,184
We hardly hoped to find anybody
of assistance
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00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:08,229
in the destruction and fire of Berlin,
410
00:33:08,355 --> 00:33:12,858
the city which had just been witness
to the fall of the Third Empire.
411
00:33:12,943 --> 00:33:15,902
It was still enveloped in flames.
412
00:33:15,986 --> 00:33:19,239
This city, whose roads
were so wrecked
413
00:33:19,323 --> 00:33:23,618
that our cars couldn't go
to and fro across the town.
414
00:33:27,290 --> 00:33:33,419
In Berlin we literally dug in the heaps
of rubble to unearth her.
415
00:33:33,503 --> 00:33:38,257
One could say that our efforts have been
accompanied by a stroke of luck.
416
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:42,595
Without her we could hardly have had
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00:33:42,678 --> 00:33:47,098
such an exhaustively full
and complete proof.
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00:33:49,602 --> 00:33:50,684
(speaking Russian)
419
00:33:50,770 --> 00:33:53,313
(translator) It was I who,
both as an expert
420
00:33:53,396 --> 00:33:55,689
and as the chairman of the commission,
421
00:33:55,774 --> 00:33:59,652
had to have a long conversation
with Käthe Hausermann.
422
00:33:59,736 --> 00:34:02,821
Her first approach to us
was one of trepidation.
423
00:34:02,906 --> 00:34:07,034
She feared that the Soviet doctors
would treat her badly.
424
00:34:07,117 --> 00:34:10,703
But then told her that I also
was a doctor, just like herself,
425
00:34:10,788 --> 00:34:16,000
interested in purely medical questions
and therefore she could feel at ease.
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00:34:17,460 --> 00:34:21,547
The table at which I was sitting
had a flask of water, sweets,
427
00:34:21,631 --> 00:34:24,800
Russian cigarettes and cigars on it.
428
00:34:24,884 --> 00:34:27,135
I asked her if she wanted to smoke
429
00:34:27,220 --> 00:34:31,556
and an atmosphere both businesslike
and calm was established.
430
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:36,644
When I was working during the war,
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00:34:36,728 --> 00:34:42,066
at the period in question,
1942, '43, '44, '45,
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00:34:42,150 --> 00:34:46,320
I had several
London bombing bodies to -
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00:34:46,403 --> 00:34:50,908
the victims of London bombing -
to identify, and we used dental details.
434
00:34:50,992 --> 00:34:55,870
And I wouldn't have thought
of setting out in the mortuary
435
00:34:55,954 --> 00:34:58,413
for identification of a body
436
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without the assistance of
a dental surgeon and his records.
437
00:35:02,919 --> 00:35:06,922
I might myself,
if we were working under difficulty,
438
00:35:07,006 --> 00:35:13,595
as the Russians may well have been
at the 1945 autopsy on Hitler,
439
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:19,308
I would myself, perhaps, have to make
a photographic and drawing record
440
00:35:19,393 --> 00:35:21,561
of the teeth as I saw them.
441
00:35:21,645 --> 00:35:23,938
But I would certainly
retain those teeth
442
00:35:24,022 --> 00:35:27,607
and see that an expert dental surgeon,
used to dental recording,
443
00:35:27,692 --> 00:35:30,236
saw them later to confirm my findings.
444
00:35:30,361 --> 00:35:32,904
(speaking Russian)
445
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:36,615
(translator) I suggested that she
should relate all that she knew,
446
00:35:36,701 --> 00:35:40,870
and in those instances where there was
a lack of clarity in what she had said,
447
00:35:40,954 --> 00:35:43,831
I posed her several questions.
448
00:35:43,915 --> 00:35:48,377
When I realised that she really was
acquainted with Hitler's dentures,
449
00:35:48,461 --> 00:35:50,755
that to say
that this was indeed a person
450
00:35:50,839 --> 00:35:52,922
who had dealings with the dentures,
451
00:35:53,008 --> 00:35:56,092
I asked her additional questions.
452
00:35:56,261 --> 00:36:04,226
The team consisted of some
half a dozen army pathologists,
453
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:11,440
none of whom, even Lt Col Shkaravsky
himself, who was in charge,
454
00:36:11,525 --> 00:36:14,359
none of whom
had special forensic experience
455
00:36:14,443 --> 00:36:16,529
and none of whom, to my knowledge,
456
00:36:16,612 --> 00:36:20,073
had ever had this exercise
to perform before.
457
00:36:20,157 --> 00:36:25,328
They made an autopsy which, from
the record, looked thorough enough,
458
00:36:25,412 --> 00:36:29,040
but they failed to include
in their autopsy
459
00:36:29,124 --> 00:36:36,130
more than a very poor drawing
of the upper and lower teeth
460
00:36:36,214 --> 00:36:41,343
and of bridge work,
which were still lying in situ.
461
00:36:41,427 --> 00:36:44,304
It would not be enough
for a pathologist,
462
00:36:44,388 --> 00:36:51,435
especially if he were doing routine
army pathology, to indulge himself
463
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:56,148
in what is a special medical
legal exercise of identification
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00:36:56,232 --> 00:36:58,567
in which he knows,
if he's had experience,
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00:36:58,651 --> 00:37:02,321
he must use the services
of a skilled dental surgeon,
466
00:37:02,404 --> 00:37:06,240
very often a dental surgeon
whose work has become forensic
467
00:37:06,325 --> 00:37:10,537
or who may have turned over to
forensic identification work entirely.
468
00:37:10,662 --> 00:37:14,082
(speaking Russian)
469
00:37:14,165 --> 00:37:16,583
(translator)
As I talked to Käthe Hausermann,
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I sketched the teeth of a human being.
471
00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:21,046
Here's the right-hand side.
472
00:37:21,130 --> 00:37:26,051
Here I sketched the teeth in
the upper jaw and here the lower jaw.
473
00:37:26,135 --> 00:37:29,846
And you can clearly see
the smooth edge of the teeth.
474
00:37:31,681 --> 00:37:34,475
Then I showed this sketch
to Käthe Hausermann
475
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:38,771
and said that here
I'd found the two steel pins.
476
00:37:38,855 --> 00:37:41,732
But she protested,
saying there had to be three.
477
00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:47,862
It's incredibly poor.
It's a schoolboy diagram.
478
00:37:47,947 --> 00:37:51,282
It shows a nine-tooth gold bridge here.
479
00:37:51,366 --> 00:37:55,995
It even shows in front the little pegs
which were hung on the four,
480
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,832
the left lateral
and a right lateral incisor here.
481
00:37:59,916 --> 00:38:03,376
But really the detail
is very difficult to pick up.
482
00:38:03,461 --> 00:38:08,006
It's small and it's indeterminate,
though I can't say it's inaccurate.
483
00:38:08,633 --> 00:38:10,467
(speaking Russian)
484
00:38:10,551 --> 00:38:13,344
(translator)
And when the conversation had ended,
485
00:38:13,428 --> 00:38:17,056
and I was convinced that she really
did know these teeth well,
486
00:38:17,140 --> 00:38:20,851
I showed her the dentures
which had been extracted from Hitler.
487
00:38:22,855 --> 00:38:26,773
Her first reaction
was one of extreme surprise.
488
00:38:26,859 --> 00:38:31,319
She then realised that our conversation
had not been an abstract one,
489
00:38:31,404 --> 00:38:34,406
that we really had autopsied
Hitler's corpse
490
00:38:34,490 --> 00:38:37,783
and that it had been examined
by Soviet specialists
491
00:38:37,869 --> 00:38:41,829
and that she was confronted
with Hitler's very dentures.
492
00:38:43,290 --> 00:38:49,627
She then became less distraught and we
calmly, dispassionately examined them.
493
00:38:51,965 --> 00:38:55,508
Then she started off
showing me these steel pins,
494
00:38:55,593 --> 00:38:58,220
and when we examined the teeth
in greater detail,
495
00:38:58,304 --> 00:39:03,974
she turned out to be right - there were
indeed three of these pins to be seen.
496
00:39:04,059 --> 00:39:06,560
And here they are pictured on the right.
497
00:39:10,815 --> 00:39:15,194
This convinced the commission,
and more so myself,
498
00:39:15,277 --> 00:39:18,780
that we had indeed
unearthed Hitler's body.
499
00:39:21,492 --> 00:39:26,829
The evidence that I have been involved
with in studying Hitler's remains
500
00:39:26,913 --> 00:39:30,666
is based on three types of observation.
501
00:39:30,750 --> 00:39:35,754
First of all, the Russian
autopsy report, published in 1968,
502
00:39:35,838 --> 00:39:38,631
revealed certain types
of dental bridge work
503
00:39:38,716 --> 00:39:43,887
which are critical for identification
on a body that was destroyed by fire.
504
00:39:45,306 --> 00:39:49,184
N umber two, in the National Archives
in Washington DC,
505
00:39:49,267 --> 00:39:51,894
I was able to study in detail
506
00:39:51,978 --> 00:39:55,647
the interrogation report
of Hitler's dentist,
507
00:39:55,732 --> 00:39:58,274
Dr Hugo Blaschke, who is now dead.
508
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,153
And he described in great detail
the state of his dentition,
509
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,739
his treatment and so forth.
510
00:40:04,822 --> 00:40:08,493
And thirdly, I was very fortunate,
after a considerable search,
511
00:40:08,576 --> 00:40:12,163
to locate five x-rays
which were known to exist
512
00:40:12,248 --> 00:40:17,751
from the British study of Hitler's last
days, but which had not been found.
513
00:40:17,835 --> 00:40:22,381
And I located this in the branch
of the National Archives
514
00:40:22,465 --> 00:40:25,217
in the little town of Suitland
in Maryland.
515
00:40:25,342 --> 00:40:31,097
And I'm showing two of the five x-rays
here taken by the head and neck experts
516
00:40:31,181 --> 00:40:34,475
who treated Hitler
after the assassination attempt.
517
00:40:35,811 --> 00:40:39,689
This picture was taken in September
and this in October.
518
00:40:39,772 --> 00:40:41,273
I want to point out,
519
00:40:41,357 --> 00:40:44,568
though they were taken
at two different times and locations
520
00:40:44,694 --> 00:40:48,070
by two different doctors,
they are from the identical persons,
521
00:40:48,155 --> 00:40:52,659
seeing the very typical fingerprints,
as it were, of the sinus outlines
522
00:40:52,743 --> 00:40:55,661
and very characteristic bridge work
523
00:40:55,746 --> 00:40:59,540
both in this picture
and in that picture.
524
00:40:59,624 --> 00:41:02,710
Lastly, I have prepared a model
525
00:41:02,794 --> 00:41:09,465
which summarises the findings
of the dentist's report,
526
00:41:09,550 --> 00:41:12,594
the x-rays and the Russian findings,
527
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:17,347
and I believe that this represents the
true state of affairs of Hitler's teeth,
528
00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:19,934
made up here in gold and porcelain.
529
00:41:20,018 --> 00:41:24,521
Among that, this very discoloured
left front tooth here,
530
00:41:24,605 --> 00:41:26,565
which can be seen in some pictures,
531
00:41:26,649 --> 00:41:31,903
although it was camouflaged
most of the time by his moustache,
532
00:41:31,988 --> 00:41:35,865
and the very characteristic bridge work
in the lower jaw as well
533
00:41:35,949 --> 00:41:39,618
and various types of pathology
in his front teeth.
534
00:41:39,745 --> 00:41:43,664
Sognnaes and Ström,
when they drew,
535
00:41:43,789 --> 00:41:46,583
of course by now,
with the assistance of x-rays,
536
00:41:46,668 --> 00:41:49,085
which had been discovered
in Washington,
537
00:41:49,171 --> 00:41:54,634
have absolutely every single piece
of detail in a single diagram,
538
00:41:54,717 --> 00:41:56,885
the diagram in their article.
539
00:41:56,969 --> 00:42:01,305
It shows not only the presence of,
the number of teeth in,
540
00:42:01,389 --> 00:42:05,351
the exact shape of
and attachment of the three bridges,
541
00:42:05,435 --> 00:42:08,395
the nine-tooth in the upper jaw,
the two in the lower,
542
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,982
it shows the remarkable shape and
attachment of the lingual bar bridge
543
00:42:13,067 --> 00:42:16,069
in the right lower jaw
and draws special attention
544
00:42:16,195 --> 00:42:18,237
to the left upper-central incisor,
545
00:42:18,322 --> 00:42:22,909
with its curious Richmond gold crown
and this central translucent face.
546
00:42:22,993 --> 00:42:27,246
I cannot conceive of anybody now
not being utterly convinced
547
00:42:27,330 --> 00:42:33,210
that these are the teeth of Hitler
and that this was Hitler's skull.
548
00:42:33,294 --> 00:42:37,214
There could be, I think,
no conceivable objection.
549
00:42:37,298 --> 00:42:39,716
There is not a single point
which doesn't fit
550
00:42:39,841 --> 00:42:42,301
and there are very many points which do.
551
00:42:42,428 --> 00:42:48,515
It would be impossible, in my opinion,
to recreate this in another individual.
552
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,893
So that I disregard the possibility
553
00:42:50,977 --> 00:42:53,771
of there being a double
that the Russians autopsied.
554
00:42:53,854 --> 00:42:58,942
They did in fact find the body and where
Trevor-Roper suggested it may be found,
555
00:42:59,026 --> 00:43:03,905
outside a bunker in Berlin,
and they autopsied the real Hitler.
556
00:43:04,531 --> 00:43:09,953
The only question which
is still debated, in my opinion,
557
00:43:10,036 --> 00:43:12,537
or can legitimately be debated,
558
00:43:12,623 --> 00:43:15,832
is whether Hitler took poison
or shot himself.
559
00:43:17,128 --> 00:43:21,964
All the evidence that I had in 1945
was that he shot himself.
560
00:43:22,966 --> 00:43:27,969
The Russians have always maintained
that he took cyanide.
561
00:43:30,596 --> 00:43:36,184
I stated in 1945, on the evidence
of one of the German authorities,
562
00:43:36,269 --> 00:43:40,105
that it was possible
that although he had shot himself,
563
00:43:40,189 --> 00:43:43,900
he had also put a poison capsule
in his mouth to make sure.
564
00:43:44,026 --> 00:43:46,569
And that seems to me quite possible.
565
00:43:46,696 --> 00:43:47,696
(speaks Russian)
566
00:43:47,779 --> 00:43:49,947
(translator) A small piece of the skull
567
00:43:50,072 --> 00:43:53,993
of approximately ten by seven
centimetres was missing.
568
00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:56,578
The edge of the missing portion
was charred,
569
00:43:56,663 --> 00:44:00,916
which meant that this was a result
of the burning and not of injury.
570
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,252
I must stress that the brain itself
was well preserved
571
00:44:04,336 --> 00:44:07,213
and that there was no damage
to the brain.
572
00:44:07,298 --> 00:44:10,549
Neither was there damage
to other portions of the skull.
573
00:44:10,634 --> 00:44:15,053
Neither the nasal portion,
the cheekbones, etc.
574
00:44:15,138 --> 00:44:16,805
In a word, there is,
575
00:44:16,890 --> 00:44:19,684
there was no damage at all,
576
00:44:19,768 --> 00:44:23,437
so there is no proof of damage
by firearms.
577
00:44:24,397 --> 00:44:27,107
The only positive things
that emerged from autopsy
578
00:44:27,191 --> 00:44:30,110
are that glass was found in the mouth
579
00:44:30,194 --> 00:44:35,281
and that hydrocyanic acid was detected
by analysis afterwards in the body.
580
00:44:35,365 --> 00:44:39,368
I find this a little surprising if there
was great heat for some time,
581
00:44:39,453 --> 00:44:42,747
as there was - petrol was poured
more than once on the body -
582
00:44:42,830 --> 00:44:48,376
for cyanide evaporates very quickly,
and I'm a little surprised at that.
583
00:44:48,461 --> 00:44:50,462
But glass was found in the mouth.
584
00:44:50,545 --> 00:44:54,298
I think death must have due
to the crushing of a cyanide capsule,
585
00:44:54,382 --> 00:44:58,719
which we know was common practice
among the higher Nazis.
586
00:44:59,597 --> 00:45:01,554
We have to recognise the fact
587
00:45:01,641 --> 00:45:07,895
that all the German witnesses
do bear witness about the shooting.
588
00:45:07,978 --> 00:45:13,066
We can't ignore that. They are just
as good witnesses as the Russians.
589
00:45:13,150 --> 00:45:20,615
The evidence on the Russian side
is the autopsy which they've produced.
590
00:45:20,699 --> 00:45:25,077
But I can't regard it as final,
591
00:45:25,161 --> 00:45:30,707
firstly because they have produced it
in so propagandist a form
592
00:45:30,791 --> 00:45:34,336
that it, to some extent,
cancels itself out.
593
00:45:34,461 --> 00:45:37,840
Mr Bezymenski,
a Russian journalist,
594
00:45:37,923 --> 00:45:43,010
whom the Russians have employed
to publish these documents,
595
00:45:43,178 --> 00:45:49,892
makes it quite clear that he regards
suicide by poison as the death of a dog
596
00:45:49,976 --> 00:45:51,685
and a cowardly death,
597
00:45:51,811 --> 00:45:55,563
and suicide by shooting
as a soldier's death,
598
00:45:55,648 --> 00:45:59,650
and that he is anxious to show that
Hitler did not die a soldier's death,
599
00:45:59,735 --> 00:46:01,235
but a dog's death.
600
00:46:01,319 --> 00:46:04,321
That shows
a kind of political motivation
601
00:46:04,406 --> 00:46:08,951
which rather detracts
from his objectivity.
602
00:46:10,286 --> 00:46:15,374
There is a truly extraordinary passage
in Bezymenski's work
603
00:46:15,457 --> 00:46:23,172
in which, having argued throughout
that Hitler only took a poison capsule,
604
00:46:23,257 --> 00:46:28,845
he then suddenly produces a theory which
has no evidence or probability in it
605
00:46:28,971 --> 00:46:32,764
and is given
as a second-hand speculation,
606
00:46:32,850 --> 00:46:40,022
that Heinz Linge afterwards
shot Hitler when he was dead.
607
00:46:41,189 --> 00:46:43,983
Well, what is the point of this
608
00:46:44,067 --> 00:46:48,529
unless there was some evidence
that Hitler had been shot?
609
00:46:48,615 --> 00:46:51,948
I can't see what is the point
of this speculation,
610
00:46:52,034 --> 00:46:54,452
especially since the Russians had Linge
611
00:46:54,535 --> 00:46:57,454
in their possession
as a prisoner for nine years.
612
00:46:57,538 --> 00:47:02,083
They could easily have established
this fact if it were true
613
00:47:02,168 --> 00:47:07,713
without producing it as a second-hand
speculation ascribed to Linge.
614
00:47:07,798 --> 00:47:10,841
So I think that they,
even in this matter,
615
00:47:10,927 --> 00:47:13,510
the Russians have created mystification
616
00:47:13,595 --> 00:47:15,721
and I think the balance of evidence,
617
00:47:15,847 --> 00:47:19,892
which is what one has to go on
when the evidence conflicts,
618
00:47:19,976 --> 00:47:21,685
that the balance of evidence,
619
00:47:21,769 --> 00:47:27,523
taking account of the fact that the
German witnesses had no reason to lie
620
00:47:27,608 --> 00:47:32,654
and were perfectly objective
in their accounts to me,
621
00:47:32,737 --> 00:47:36,531
the balance of evidence
is that he shot himself.
622
00:47:36,658 --> 00:47:40,535
As regards to the firearm, I find
no evidence of this in the report.
623
00:47:40,620 --> 00:47:45,624
Shkaravsky doesn't find a hole in
the roof of the mouth or either temple.
624
00:47:45,708 --> 00:47:48,710
Part of the skull was missing,
but it commonly is in fire -
625
00:47:48,794 --> 00:47:51,171
it flakes off or is destroyed by fire.
626
00:47:51,254 --> 00:47:55,342
And the brain was in good condition
with no bullet track through it.
627
00:47:55,425 --> 00:48:00,054
I don't think Hitler can have been shot.
Certainly not through the head.
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