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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,140 (CRACKLING) 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,380 I today announce my intention 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,180 to nominate United States Court of Appeals Judge Robert H. Bork 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,380 to be an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court. 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,960 The drumbeat continued today from both camps 6 00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:21,220 in the pitched battle over the President's nomination 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,340 of Judge Robert Bork to the Supreme Court. 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,060 The lobbying is having an effect 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,500 with the Senate mailroom reported days behind 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,980 under a deluge of mail on Bork. 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,020 REPORTER: Mr. President, looks like the Bork nomination will fail in the Committee. 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:35,451 Over my dead body, 13 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:43,970 The yeas are 42. The nays are 58. The nomination is not confirmed. 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,980 If we intend to turn the United States Supreme Court 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,460 into an election process, let's change the Constitution, 16 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,291 and let's elect a Supreme Court judge of the United States. 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,820 I, George Herbert Walker Bush, do solemnly swear 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:03,380 that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States. 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,260 REPORTER: Thurgood Marshall, the Supreme Court's 20 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:06,740 first and only black justice, 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,161 announced his retirement today, 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,900 In a letter to President Bush, Marshall said, 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,980 "The strenuous demands of court work appear at this time 24 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,289 "to be incompatible with my advancing age and medical condition." 25 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,740 FEMALE REPORTER: President Bush said today his nomination 26 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,420 to replace retiring Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall 27 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,081 could come in a few days, but should that person be black? 28 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,420 MALE REPORTER 2: A minority appointment could certainly neutralize 29 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,100 a lot of potential opposition. 30 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,420 FEMALE REPORTER 2: Marshall warned that the emphasis on race 31 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,180 in choosing his successor might have negative results. 32 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:44,411 My dad told me way back that you can't use race. 33 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,340 For example, there's no difference between a white snake and a black snake. 34 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,500 - They'll both bite. - (SHUTTER CLICKS) 35 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,060 MALE REPORTER 3: This is a special report. 36 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:53,940 We are told the President is going to announce 37 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,260 his nominee to the Supreme Court. 38 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,140 Well, I am very pleased to announce 39 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,140 that I will nominate Judge Clarence Thomas 40 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,687 to serve as Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court. 41 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,180 Clarence Thomas fits my description of the best man at the right time. 42 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,380 BERNARD SHAW: President Bush has moved to cement the conservative majority 43 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,620 on the United States Supreme Court 44 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,180 by nominating federal judge Clarence Thomas 45 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,700 to fill the seat left vacant by the retirement of Justice Thurgood Marshall. 46 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,500 As with Marshall, Thomas is a black man, 47 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,140 a man born to poverty in a segregated South, 48 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,020 a man who benefited from the legal legacy of Justice Marshall. 49 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,620 The more that people see and hear of Clarence Thomas, 50 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,820 the more they will be persuaded that his brand of integrity 51 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:37,500 and independence and common sense 52 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,602 is exactly what we need in this time. 53 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,860 MALE REPORTER 4: In New York City today, several thousand demonstrators 54 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,620 protested against the Supreme Court decision restricting abortion counseling 55 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,500 and urged Congress to reject 56 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,500 President Bush's nomination of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court. 57 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,460 Clarence Thomas is an insult 58 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,340 to the life and legacy of Thurgood Marshall 59 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,761 - and everything he stood and worked for. - (CROWD CHEERING) 60 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,500 FEMALE REPORTER 3: At a national gathering of civil rights activists in Memphis, 61 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,420 black leaders are vocal in their reaction to the Supreme Court nominee. 62 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,860 Simply to appoint a black person doesn't make it right. 63 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,220 We have to Bork Thomas. 64 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,100 We don't wait for questions. We simply immediately Bork him, 65 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,602 kill him politically, and kill Bush in the meantime. 66 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:24,971 (TELEPHONE RINGING) 67 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:31,900 Ricki Seidman. 68 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,140 NAN: Hey, Ricki, it's Nan at the Alliance For Justice. 69 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,020 You know that thing we've been hearing all summer 70 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,260 about how Thomas treated women who worked for him? 71 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,840 - Yeah. - I finally found a name. 72 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:46,260 In 1946, a black woman wanted to study law here 73 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,620 at the University of Oklahoma. 74 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,580 At the time, it was illegal for blacks and whites 75 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,526 to study together in this state, so Miss Sipuel sued. 76 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,922 - SHIRLEY: What are you gonna do? - ANITA: Nothing. 77 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,300 You don't want to say anything? 78 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,641 This man could end up on the Supreme Court. 79 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,527 At the EEOC, I saw women have their lives ruined 80 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,660 because they spoke out against a manager at a diner. 81 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,842 What do you think would happen to me? 82 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,365 Okay. 83 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,580 Lots of people will fight this nomination. It doesn't have to be me. 84 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:25,761 Okay. 85 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:27,846 (DOOR BELL RINGS) 86 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:30,860 - Clarence Thomas? - Yes. 87 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,041 There you go. 88 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:33,580 - JACK: There he is. - (LAUGHING) 89 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,540 - There is the man of the hour. - None of this... 90 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,300 Now, what did I tell you? What did I tell you 20 years ago? 91 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,780 You said, "Come work for me, 92 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,260 - "and I'll only pay you $11,000 a year." - (LAUGHING) 93 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,620 What I said was... What I said was, you have a huge future ahead of you. 94 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,100 Judge Clarence Thomas appears 95 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,780 headed for confirmation to the Supreme Court. 96 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,260 I think he'll be confirmed. I think he should be confirmed. 97 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,060 We'll find it intellectually stimulating hearings, 98 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:55,491 but I don't see many fireworks. 99 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,170 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 100 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,380 Clarence, Ginni. First day of the hearings. How you feeling? 101 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,580 - Good. Glad to finally be here. - Good. Good. 102 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:06,780 KEN: Now just remember, some of these Democrats 103 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,940 on the Committee are gonna be a hard sell. 104 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,860 Worst case scenario, seven of them vote against you. 105 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,700 That still leaves seven voting for you. 106 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,849 And a tie takes you to the full Senate. We're in great shape. 107 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,804 Even with the Democratic majority? 108 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,340 Ginni, we only need 50 votes. At last count, we had 60. 109 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,340 And as popular as the President is, number could even go up higher, 110 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,540 so don't worry if you catch a little heat in these hearings. 111 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,260 Yeah, good to know that. Thank you. 112 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:28,407 Let's get in there. 113 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,164 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 114 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:32,740 - Judge. - Senator. 115 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:34,842 - Mrs. Thomas. - Senator. 116 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,820 MALE REPORTER 5: In a clearly symbolic gesture, 117 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,660 Strom Thurmond, ranking Republican on the Judiciary Committee 118 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,820 and former segregationist, is escorting Judge Thomas into the chamber. 119 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,300 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I... 120 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,802 I would like to first introduce you to my wife Virginia. 121 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,887 Welcome, Mrs. Thomas. It's a pleasure to have you here. 122 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,500 And my son Jamal. 123 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,700 JOE: Welcome, Jamal. 124 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,564 (TELEPHONE RINGING INDISTINCTLY) 125 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,684 There are not enough words to express my deep gratitude 126 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,860 and appreciation to Senator Danforth. 127 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,100 - Hello? - RICKI: May I speak with Anita Hill? 128 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,660 - This is Anita. - This is Ricki Seidman. 129 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,060 I'm an investigator in Senator Kennedy's office. 130 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,060 I'm doing background checks on Clarence Thomas 131 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,322 in reference to his nomination to the Supreme Court. 132 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,100 I know you worked for Judge Thomas. 133 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,964 Can I ask some questions about him? 134 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,900 Miss Seidman, the hearings are starting. 135 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,162 Isn't it late to be doing background checks? 136 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:31,443 You worked for him twice, right, at Education and EEOC? 137 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,927 - That's right. - Good experiences? 138 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,211 I was proud of things we accomplished at both offices. 139 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,140 Professor, we've heard that Judge Thomas mistreated young women 140 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:45,969 who worked for him at the EEOC. 141 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,326 Do you know anything about that? 142 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:54,842 That's not something I can talk about. 143 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:57,207 Why not? 144 00:06:57,840 --> 00:06:59,251 I'll put it this way. 145 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,580 If I were advising someone who were a victim of his unwanted advances, 146 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,081 I don't think I would suggest that she come forward. 147 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,922 In my experience, in a case like this, when someone comes forward, 148 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,886 the victim tends to become the villain. 149 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,220 Professor, in the next few decades, 150 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,580 the Supreme Court will be making crucial decisions 151 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,889 that will have a real impact on the lives of American women. 152 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,080 If there were less at stake, I wouldn't ask. 153 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,247 Were you one of the victims of his advances? 154 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,085 (INAUDIBLE) 155 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,240 (SIGHS) 156 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,100 What I say is to the Senate Judiciary Committee only, 157 00:07:58,200 --> 00:07:59,620 not for public consumption. 158 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:00,780 Agreed. 159 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,566 I wouldn't want it to appear that I had a political agenda. 160 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:06,691 I'll make it clear. 161 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,045 I came to you. 162 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,607 My earliest memories are those of Pin Point, Georgia, 163 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,327 a life far removed in space and time 164 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,820 from this room, this day, 165 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,820 - this moment. - It started at the Department of Education. 166 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,820 CLARENCE: But I have always carried in my heart the values of my youth. 167 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,924 The values of my grandparents and my neighbors. 168 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,180 The values of people who believe so very deeply in this country 169 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,521 in spite of all of the contradictions. 170 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,820 It is my hope that when these hearings are complete, 171 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:48,882 that this Committee will conclude that I am an honest, decent, 172 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,843 fair person. 173 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:56,965 (LINE DISCONNECTS) 174 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,540 We begin tonight's coverage with NBC's Andrea Mitchell on Capitol Hill. 175 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,700 Clarence Thomas held the Judiciary Committee spellbound today 176 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,167 as he talked about growing up in poverty and racism. 177 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:15,970 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 178 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,323 - Why are you bringing this to me? - You're an investigator. 179 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:22,300 Follow up. Call her. 180 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,460 I can't do that, not from this office. 181 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:26,380 You know how Biden is about this type of thing. He'd never... 182 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,180 Carolyn, what she's alleging is sexual harassment. 183 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:30,340 It's against the law. 184 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,681 Okay, so bring it to your own senator. Have him deal with it. 185 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,300 Kennedy can lead the charge on a lot of issues. 186 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,131 Sexual impropriety isn't one of them. We both know that. 187 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:39,620 Fine, let's play this out. 188 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,580 Say I do investigate and it pans out. Then what? 189 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:44,140 Then the Committee calls Thomas on it. 190 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:45,940 And which senator is gonna take that on? 191 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,700 Not mine. Certainly not yours. 192 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,300 I don't know. Leahy maybe. Simon. 193 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,620 Okay, but even if they were up for it, what about the others? 194 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:55,740 I mean, Ricki, 195 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,900 half these guys have their own very shaky dynamics with women. 196 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,260 They are not gonna want this door to open. 197 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,044 Well, they might not have a choice. 198 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,691 The people who gave me Anita Hill's name expect us to investigate it. 199 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,968 If we don't, they'll probably leak it. 200 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:16,281 (SIGHS) 201 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:21,140 So she's saying what? That he touched her? 202 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,765 No, she says it was verbal. 203 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:27,100 - Any other women saying the same thing? - Not that we know of. 204 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:28,700 She does have a corroborating witness, though. 205 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:29,940 A friend she told at the time. 206 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,405 Somebody credible? 207 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:36,607 A judge, and Hill is a law professor, so, on paper at least, yes. 208 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,809 When is she saying this happened? 209 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:42,366 Ten years ago. 210 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:44,087 (CHUCKLES) 211 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,180 Ten years ago? 212 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,780 Carolyn, he's been approved for three federal jobs in that time. 213 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,140 - I know that. - Why didn't she bring it up before? 214 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:52,900 She didn't bring it up now, okay? 215 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,620 We called her. She didn't want to talk about it, and she really does not want this getting out. 216 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,802 Yeah, no kidding. That makes two of us. 217 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,460 I do not want to go after this guy on a sex charge, Carolyn. 218 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:05,940 This is, this is exactly the kind of thing I hate. 219 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,020 Yeah, I understand. 220 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,620 And what if she's lying? You understand that? 221 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,768 Then you got me bringing up a bunch of bogus dirt 222 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,607 on a federal judge's past, and I'm the bad guy in all this. 223 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,967 She... She didn't want to talk about it? 224 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,406 Not at first, no. 225 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,060 Well, hell, I mean, I don't want to force a reluctant woman 226 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,140 to have to come in here and talk about all this stuff. 227 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,220 This is... 228 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,540 (SIGHS) 229 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,642 What if we just... Can we just let it go? 230 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:37,361 Well, uh... 231 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,601 We're not the, the only people who know about this, so... 232 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,020 Shit. All right, call the FBI. 233 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,100 Have them look into the whole thing. 234 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,487 They're gonna run the whole gauntlet on this thing. 235 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,721 They got to go quick on that report. We've got to vote on this guy in a week. 236 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,060 (BEEPS) 237 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,380 You didn't need to do this, you know. 238 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,460 We have agents coming to interview you. 239 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:16,580 ANITA: Yes, but since the FBI reports to the White House, 240 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:19,540 I thought it was important that I say what I have to say in my own words, 241 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,007 - so there's no room for misunderstandings. - (SIGHS) 242 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,366 (KNOCKING) 243 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,968 Judge Clarence Thomas? 244 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:35,801 Yes. 245 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,001 Anita Hill? 246 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,803 Yes. Come in. 247 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,121 (DOOR CLOSING) 248 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:55,841 Clarence? 249 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:02,561 What's wrong? 250 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:05,847 (SWITCH CLICKS) 251 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,401 A former employee, 252 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,570 someone I hired, mentored, 253 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,568 told the FBI that I was inappropriate with her... 254 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:26,881 (SIGHS) 255 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:30,847 ...that I harassed her... 256 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:34,681 Sexually. 257 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:54,726 Is there any basis for it? 258 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,660 None. She worked for me. 259 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,860 I treated her the same way I treat other people working for me. 260 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,167 - Then why is she saying this? - I don't know. 261 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:05,660 How can I answer that? 262 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,220 Someone lies about me. How am I supposed to know why? 263 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,641 Don't yell. I'm just asking. 264 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,041 I'm sorry. I'm upset. 265 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:21,405 I don't understand. 266 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,287 Maybe someone is putting her up to this. 267 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,060 There are a lot of groups out there 268 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,561 that can't stand the thought of you on the Court. 269 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,209 They can't beat you honorably, 270 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,044 so they come after you like this, 271 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,490 with lies and slander. 272 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,442 But thank goodness the FBI is on it. 273 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,060 They will see it for what it is, right? 274 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,640 It's political nonsense. 275 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,884 Okay. Thank you. 276 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:02,260 JOE: So the FBI's looked into it. 277 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,020 The upshot is, she says one thing, he says another. 278 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,724 How thorough was the investigation? 279 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,540 Oh, it wasn't exhaustive. Christ, they had two days to do it. 280 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,020 It's a serious charge that deserves serious attention. 281 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,566 We got a vote scheduled on this guy in two days. 282 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,100 To dig into all this, we're gonna have to postpone that, 283 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,300 and I can't do that without an explanation. 284 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,540 Neither of them wants this thing public, so unless somebody has a better plan, 285 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,610 we're gonna vote on the nominee on Friday as scheduled. 286 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,160 We'll send him on to the full Senate for their vote. 287 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,089 He showed the report to the whole Committee? 288 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:32,860 Yes, but it's fine. 289 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,940 Clarence, these guys are senators. 290 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,500 They know a BS ploy when they see one. 291 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,260 And even if they wanted to make something of it, 292 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,408 which they don't, who would dare? 293 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,860 I mean, DeConcini, he's up to his neck in ethics charges. 294 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,980 And Kennedy, after the summer he's had... 295 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,100 You're saying I shouldn't care that my name is gonna be linked to this garbage? 296 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:51,380 You're saying that I shouldn't care 297 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,140 that when people think of me, they're gonna think of this? 298 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:54,820 I'm saying no one will think of this. 299 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,924 But I can't not care. I'm not Kennedy. 300 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,882 I'm a black man in America. 301 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,882 This is a very different thing for me. 302 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,200 - WOMAN: Mr. Thurmond? - STROM: Aye. 303 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,020 - WOMAN: Mr. Hatch? - Aye. 304 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:13,884 - WOMAN: Mr. Simpson? - Aye. 305 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,500 - WOMAN: Mr. Grassley? - Aye. 306 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,020 - WOMAN: Mr. Specter? - ARLEN: Aye. 307 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,565 - WOMAN: Mr. Brown? - BROWN: Aye. 308 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:19,886 - WOMAN: Mr. Biden? - No. 309 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,700 The 14 members of the Committee split right down the middle, 310 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,420 seven for and seven against his nomination. 311 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,340 The message, Thomas is not a great candidate. 312 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,140 Still, his nomination was sent to the full Senate, 313 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:34,605 where it is all but certain 314 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,165 - that he will be confirmed. - (TELEPHONE RINGING) 315 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,820 - Hello? - Professor Hill, this is Nina Totenberg 316 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,365 from National Public Radio. 317 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,260 I received a copy of the affidavit that you faxed the Judiciary Committee 318 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,931 stating that Clarence Thomas sexually harassed you. 319 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,724 I'd like to ask you some questions. 320 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,660 KEN: Jesus! 321 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,020 God damn it. Fuck. 322 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,580 "Fuck" is right. 323 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,020 I have Nina Totenberg and Tim Phelps 324 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:00,620 asking me about Clarence Thomas and sexual harassment. 325 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,085 God damn it. 326 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,140 (SIGHS) Did they say who leaked it? 327 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,420 - No, of course not. - All right, draw up a statement. 328 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,660 Say the charges have been investigated, found to be baseless. 329 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,620 The President has total faith in his nominee. 330 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,848 - Does the President know? - I'll tell him. 331 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,683 (KIDS PLAYING) 332 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,580 Hello. 333 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,842 - Hi! - (KIDS LAUGHING) 334 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,961 I'm gonna be in the news tomorrow. 335 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:28,121 Um... 336 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:36,202 Some of the things they'll be reporting will be shocking to you. 337 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,928 I'm so sorry for that. 338 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,122 LIANE: This is Weekend Edition. I'm Liane Hansen. 339 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,860 A woman who served as personal assistant to Clarence Thomas for over two years 340 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,645 has accused him of sexually harassing her. 341 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,300 NPR's Nina Totenberg reports. 342 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,580 Law professor Anita Hill said she had much in common with Clarence Thomas 343 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,300 and that she initially believed that common background 344 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,900 was one of the reasons he hired her as his personal assistant 10 years ago. 345 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,340 According to Hill's affidavit, Thomas soon began asking her out socially 346 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,460 and refused to accept her explanation 347 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,484 that she did not think it appropriate to go out with her boss. 348 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,300 Thomas, after a brief work discussion, 349 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,610 would, quote, "turn conversation to discussions about his sexual interests." 350 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,820 He never touched her, she acknowledged in an interview, 351 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,220 and he never directly threatened her job, 352 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,260 but she said she was 25, and she began to worry 353 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:43,489 that she would soon suffer professionally if she did not submit. 354 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:49,380 Several senators contacted by NPR say they are troubled by the Hill allegations 355 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,660 and the long delay in investigating them by Chairman Biden. 356 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,860 Carolyn, all right, look, she's out there making it sound 357 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,140 like we haven't done a goddamn thing on this. 358 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,860 I want a full chronology, who called who and when, all right? 359 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,020 I'm not gonna be the bad guy on this thing. 360 00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:06,340 - Tom, I need those phone logs. - What happened? 361 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,260 I promised her this wouldn't get out. I gave my word. 362 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:11,380 That was pretty fucking stupid, wasn't it? 363 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,881 Nothing like this stays secret in this town. You should know that. 364 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,660 Trouble today for President Bush's already controversial Supreme Court nominee 365 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:20,740 Clarence Thomas. 366 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,446 Leading Democrats label the charges, quote, "very disturbing." 367 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,620 The senator says this is the kind of thing one expects 368 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,060 in the last moments of a political campaign, not a judicial confirmation. 369 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,245 The whole thing, says Danforth, has a very definite and strong aroma to it. 370 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,685 JUDY: I just spoke with Mrs. Thomas. 371 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,060 He's writing an affidavit. He wants to release it to the press. 372 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,660 Hell, no. Get on that. Everything goes through me. 373 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:46,807 Yeah. 374 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,780 It's basically the same as yours, 375 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,500 except instead of refuting her claims one by one like you did, 376 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,922 we thought it made more sense to offer a single categorical denial. 377 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,801 Why? 378 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,408 It's just us being extra careful 379 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,042 in the off chance that, at some point, something was said by you. 380 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,820 Some off-the-cuff comment, not inappropriate, 381 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,730 but which she took to be inappropriate. 382 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:17,420 - You don't believe me. - No, we do. We do. 383 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,060 If something happened and you sign anything asserting that it didn't, 384 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,528 it's a misstatement of sworn fact. It's grounds for impeachment. 385 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,940 Forget the Supreme Court, Clarence, you could lose your current job. 386 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,485 I know that, Ken. 387 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:35,566 (PEN CLICKS) 388 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,540 - FEMALE REPORTER: She's here! - MALE REPORTER: Professor Hill! 389 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,900 Anita, did a political group put you up to this? 390 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,140 Do you have a personal vendetta against Judge Thomas? 391 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,924 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 392 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,660 The chronology of this woman and her participation... 393 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,140 Dozens of women in his office 394 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,060 and only one person testifies to this 10 years ago. 395 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,060 I've always had my concerns about Anita. 396 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,340 And I wonder, really, if she knows what she did. 397 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,900 The allegations that are being made 398 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,780 are just absolutely unfounded and absolutely not true. 399 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,420 I am offended that there is a possibility 400 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,980 that this opportunity may be snatched from him. 401 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:16,260 - SHIRLEY: Excuse me. - MAN: Give us some room. 402 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:18,980 - Okay. You okay? - "Okay"? 403 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,367 Have you heard what people are saying about me? 404 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,660 (SIGHS) Ignore it. 405 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,481 Is that what you'd do if people were lying about you on national television? 406 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,140 Good morning. I'm Dave Swank, 407 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,366 Dean of the College of Law. 408 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,140 Professor Hill, a member of our faculty, 409 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,340 has asked an opportunity to hold a press conference this morning 410 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,580 to respond to some of the information 411 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,160 which has been on the television and in the newspapers. 412 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,128 So without any more, Professor Hill. 413 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,284 (APPLAUSE) 414 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,970 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 415 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,809 So that's her, huh? 416 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,660 This is good. These girls always think it'll help to talk to the press, 417 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,250 and every time they come off looking cheap. 418 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,686 Good morning. 419 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:22,300 I... I have three points 420 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,020 that I really want to make clear here with you today, 421 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:30,020 and afterward, I will attempt to answer any question 422 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:32,771 as fully and forthrightly as I can. 423 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,140 The first point that I want to address today 424 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:44,771 is the idea that this is somehow part of a political ploy. 425 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,160 Nothing could be further from the truth. 426 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:55,540 This has taken a great toll on me personally and professionally, 427 00:23:55,640 --> 00:24:01,443 and there is no way that I would do something like that for political purposes. 428 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,763 It's helpful perhaps for you to understand how I came to make this statement. 429 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:11,888 I was approached by the Senate Judiciary Committee in early September. 430 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,700 - They approached me... - (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 431 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,340 ...as someone who had worked with Clarence Thomas. 432 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,620 They asked me questions about work that I had done there, 433 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,361 and they asked specifically about sexual harassment. 434 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,540 Some people have said that I have waited until the eleventh hour 435 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,851 to bring this to the press. I never came to the press. 436 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,006 The press came to me. 437 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:38,610 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 438 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,780 Do you think that the attention that this is getting 439 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,609 will affect the vote on Tuesday? 440 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,140 I think you have to ask your senator. 441 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,900 I don't know what effect it has or will have. 442 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,163 What does the final resolution mean for you? What do you want? 443 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,340 If the senators fully consider this information 444 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,700 and come to a conclusion, I will be satisfied. 445 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:01,980 That is what I want. 446 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,641 For them to fully consider it and take this seriously. 447 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:06,900 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 448 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,650 She doesn't look cheap to me. 449 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,160 MALE REPORTER: Based on your experience, 450 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,724 do you feel he's not qualified to be on the Supreme Court? 451 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,401 You're asking me, would I vote for him to be on the Supreme Court? 452 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,170 (APPLAUSE) 453 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:27,761 (SIGHS) 454 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,889 - Oh, boy, there's trouble. - (TELEPHONE RINGING) 455 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,891 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 456 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,060 MALE REPORTER: In almost every Senate office in Washington, 457 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,900 the phones have been busy all week. 458 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,331 All right, thanks a lot for calling. 459 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,220 Callers are angry about Clarence Thomas and allegations about sexual harassment. 460 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,660 FEMALE REPORTER: Senate leaders say the Judiciary Committee 461 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,220 already has investigated the allegation against Thomas 462 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,644 and they do not intend to delay Tuesday evening's vote on his nomination. 463 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,768 We're here to see Senator Mitchell. 464 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,260 Pat, this is a private Senate lunch. Members of the House are... 465 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:08,740 You're a public servant, George. 466 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,060 You don't have a right to privacy right now. 467 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,620 You need to delay the Senate vote on Thomas 468 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,041 - and hold a full hearing on these charges. - (SIGHS) 469 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,980 Look, I'm just as upset about this as you are. 470 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,526 - No, I doubt that. - He's not the emperor. 471 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,620 He can't stop or delay a vote on the Senate floor just because... 472 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,060 We know the damn rules, Joe. 473 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,460 Well, Pat, then you know you need unanimous consent from the entire body. 474 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,660 If, if you want to try to convince each and every one of these guys... 475 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,171 - Help yourself. - ...be my guest, yeah. 476 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,367 Fine. 477 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,042 So much power, so little leadership. 478 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:43,921 (SIGHS) 479 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,580 You heard those phones ringing. You know what that sound was? 480 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,020 It's the sound of 51% of your constituents... 481 00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:53,100 ...saying if you vote for Thomas without looking into this... 482 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,770 ...they will not forget it. 483 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,460 We are not postponing this vote. 484 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,740 Just hypothetically, how long would the postponement have to be? 485 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,500 A real investigation of these charges would take weeks. 486 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,940 You can't hijack the process like that, 487 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,940 not when this woman had months, years to speak up. 488 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,900 - (KNOCKING) - If you're gonna allow her to have a platform 489 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:12,980 for what she's saying, 490 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,890 - you'll be raising rumor to fact. - MAN: Who the hell dug her up anyway? 491 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,365 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 492 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:19,420 We've lost too many. 493 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,409 Take the full Senate vote right now, we'll come up short. 494 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,020 MAN: Somebody leaked it. 495 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:25,900 MAN 2: Yeah, somebody on your Committee. 496 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,688 Jim, I got your message and I want to say I think you are making a mistake. 497 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,370 If a cheap move like this can derail anyone's nomination, then... 498 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,251 All right. 499 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,244 I understand, Jim, and I thank you for calling me. 500 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,641 We can take the vote today, but you'll lose. 501 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,241 Clarence, it's Jack. 502 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,940 It's not that they don't want to vote for you. 503 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,820 They just don't feel they can with all the heat they're getting on this thing, 504 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,380 so we need to delay the Senate vote and hold a hearing. 505 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,687 - Air all this out. Get these votes back. - (SIGHS) 506 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,964 The only way the Senate will approve a delay is if you ask for it yourself. 507 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,441 (SIGHS) 508 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,444 Clarence, what do you say? 509 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,327 I... 510 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,806 I need an answer here, Clarence. Tell me what we should do. 511 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,807 For love of Pete! Give me the damn phone. 512 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,220 Alan Simpson here, Judge. How you doing? 513 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,020 I can't take this, Senator. I don't know why she's doing this to me. 514 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:38,540 Well, buckle up your guts, pal. There's no time for self-pity. 515 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,500 Somebody did this to me, I'll tell you what I'd do, 516 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,900 and if you can't do that, I will not vote for you. 517 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,860 You are going to get back on with Jack 518 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,646 and tell him you will do whatever it takes to clear your name. 519 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,040 Clarence? Tell me what you want to do. 520 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,420 JOE: The Senate has agreed to hold hearings on your claims, Professor. 521 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,460 We need to have you testify. 522 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,140 In fact, we're gonna reconvene here on Friday, 523 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,580 Friday? Senator, that's in three days. 524 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,060 And I'm supposed to prepare and travel and... 525 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,700 Don't worry about any of that. I got a great young staff, 526 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,247 who are gonna help you out with everything. Logistics and your witnesses. 527 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,900 How many will be allowed to testify on my behalf? 528 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,580 Well, Anita, I... 529 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,300 Professor, I think Judge Thomas has got two colleagues that he'll be calling on. 530 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,530 He's already chosen his witnesses. When did he hear about this? 531 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,040 Oh, kiddo, I feel for you. I do. You're about to head into... 532 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,180 Pardon my French. A real shit show here. 533 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,523 I'll tell you, if I wasn't chairing this thing, I'd be your lawyer myself. 534 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,401 You... 535 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,449 You have secured legal counsel, right? 536 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,086 When would I have done that? I had no idea I needed it. 537 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,620 MALE REPORTER: Good evening, we begin tonight with a tidal wave of doubt 538 00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,820 that swept through the Senate today. 539 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:03,060 There's been no official announcement yet of a vote delay, 540 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,620 but that's only because they're still trying to decide 541 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,041 how long it ought to be, how long it will be. 542 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,300 JACK: What do I hear every time I walk on the floor? 543 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,700 "How's the civil rights bill, Jack? 544 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,500 "What are you doing for us on your civil rights bill?" 545 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,730 Until this mess is resolved to my satisfaction, I'm not doing one damn thing. 546 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,767 Delay the vote a week? Full Senate vote next Tuesday. 547 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,300 - That's not ideal. - What about this is? 548 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,020 This is only to examine the charges before the Senate vote. 549 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,420 We do not revisit the Committee vote. That stands. 550 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,740 Of course! Of course! Nobody wants to go backwards on this thing. 551 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,491 Joe, I have known Clarence Thomas for 17 years. 552 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,940 I know him to be a man of integrity. 553 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,460 If he tells me this never happened, it never happened. 554 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,881 Sounds to me like you got nothing to worry about then, Jack. 555 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,728 This is Emma Coleman Jordan, Georgetown Law Center. 556 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,380 She's putting together a legal team. 557 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,340 She's called harassment experts. 558 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,100 - Supreme Court experts, litigators. - Great. 559 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,220 I also included my old roommate Sonia Jarvis. Very smart. 560 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,220 What about Charles Ogle tree? He's an amazing litigator. 561 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,482 Emma tried him. He can't do it. 562 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,100 He's up for tenure at Harvard. 563 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,680 Controversy doesn't go over too well at Cambridge. 564 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,961 Mmm-hmm. 565 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,486 KEN: There's only two possible scenarios here. 566 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,201 One, she's lying, or two, she's telling the truth, 567 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,060 in which case the President's an idiot, 568 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,128 and he nominated a pervert to the Supreme Court. 569 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,700 Obviously, the second scenario is unacceptable. 570 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,060 We lost Judge Bork. 571 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,700 We need to use every resource at our disposal to prove the first. Now... 572 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,340 Absolutely cannot lose Judge Thomas. 573 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,340 We're not losing anybody, Senator Thurmond. 574 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,500 Polls are coming in 50-50, people who support him versus her. 575 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,540 Okay, so we have half a nation to convince. 576 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,689 I've been in touch with the networks. We'll be live as long as we're in session, 577 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,140 and we're bringing in a busload of supporters from Georgia. Women. 578 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,020 KEN: It's a strong visual support. The TV cameras will eat it up. 579 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,326 (CHANTING) We support Thomas! 580 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:04,642 You put me down and the White House down and our administration down as 100% 581 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,820 for Clarence Thomas without wavering in any way. 582 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,540 RITA: They say you should make a TV address. 583 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:11,820 What are these things? 584 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:12,921 (CHUCKLES) 585 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,040 Come on, Rita. 586 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,620 (REPORTERS LAUGHING) 587 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,460 Tim, Senator Jack Danforth here. 588 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,940 I hear you run the student Republican Party there at University of Oklahoma. 589 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,940 Listen, I think the senators on Judiciary here in Washington 590 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,300 need to hear from you and other young Republicans 591 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,811 about this Anita Hill. 592 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,380 Well, call us or fax us 593 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,380 because here in DC, we have no idea who this woman is. 594 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,845 None whatsoever. 595 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,520 I think it's a cruel thing we're witnessing, a very sad and harsh thing. 596 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,140 Anita Hill will be sucked 597 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,686 right into the very thing she wanted to avoid most. 598 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:57,460 She will be injured and destroyed and belittled and hounded and harassed. 599 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,086 Real harassment. Different from the sexual kind. 600 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,211 - Plain old Washington variety harassment. - (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 601 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,500 Is it the truth, Ms. Hill? 602 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,820 How long did the relationship last? 603 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,140 Is it true? Is the story true? 604 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,242 MALE REPORTER: Are you gonna get a job on the Hill after this? 605 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,300 Sonia. What are you doing here? 606 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,740 I thought someone other than a bodyguard should help you through this. 607 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,580 - Can I take that? - I got a car for you. 608 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,681 Thank you. 609 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,924 Step off, ma'am. Step off. 610 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,282 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 611 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,121 Get closer. 612 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,965 A little more. A little more. 613 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,690 (TIRES SCREECHING) 614 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,405 (HONKING) 615 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,860 - MAN: Come on! - I don't know. 616 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,564 - Lady, really? - Sorry. I don't know. 617 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,220 MALE REPORTER: They earned law degrees at Yale 618 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,140 and went to Washington to begin their careers. 619 00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:40,300 Now, in the nation's capital and before the world, 620 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,900 they are at opposite ends of a personal, legal, 621 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,800 political, and emotional dispute of historic proportions. 622 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,300 - Ma'am. - Thank you. 623 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,481 You're welcome. 624 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,140 - (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) - Here she is. You found us. Good. 625 00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:01,500 Great to see you. Wish it was under different circumstances. 626 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,045 Hi, Anita. Janet Napolitano. 627 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,460 Ms. Hill, I'm Warner Gardner. 628 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,380 Anita, hi. Judith Resnik. 629 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,580 - Hi, Anita. I'm Michele Roberts. - Pleasure. 630 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,100 - Sue Ross. - Hi. 631 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,380 Anita, I'm John Frank. 632 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,460 - Thank you. - It's my pleasure. 633 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,660 Professor Hill, Charles Ogle tree. 634 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,740 - I'd heard you were unavailable. - I worked it out. 635 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,260 Well, we have a lot to do and little time in which to do it. 636 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,521 Let's get started. 637 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,488 You worked for him all of what, two years? 638 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,166 Two and a half. 639 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:27,961 Hmm. 640 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,002 And you were both single all that time? 641 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,409 Yes. Well, I had a dating life, as did he. 642 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:36,921 Hmm. 643 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:42,140 Excuse me. You never dated each other? 644 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:43,401 No. 645 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,580 I mean, not even two colleagues at the end of the day, 646 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:47,780 "Hey, let's go catch a movie"? 647 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,420 Why would I do that? I couldn't stand to be around him. 648 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,740 - Is that right? - Yes. 649 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,411 Hmm? Starting when? At Education or the EEOC? 650 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,460 I suppose you're trying to find out why I followed him. 651 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,100 Anita, you did stay in touch with him. 652 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,860 By that, if you mean that there was occasionally a reason 653 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,566 for me to call him on professional matters, then yes, I... 654 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,100 What about the office Christmas party? 655 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,740 What party? 656 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,820 Nat King Cole roasting chestnuts, too much eggnog. 657 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,140 You get a little sloppy. 658 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:15,620 - You wind up knocking boots with the boss. - No. No. 659 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:17,380 - Happens all the time. - Absolutely not. Not to me. 660 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,660 - No? - No. 661 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:19,940 Charles, I don't know 662 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,340 - what the hell goes on at Cambridge. - No judgment. 663 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,500 But I do not get sloppy. That is not who I am. 664 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,300 And for you to imply that it might be means 665 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,660 that you are grossly mistaken about me personally, 666 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:32,780 and more importantly tells me 667 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,963 that you need to learn the damn truth about sexual harassment. 668 00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:38,287 Hmm. 669 00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:43,287 Okay? 670 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:45,967 Okay. 671 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,883 And tomorrow will be much worse. 672 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,206 Yeah. 673 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,860 MALE REPORTER: There is in Washington almost a giddy sense of anticipation 674 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,540 about the impending drama. 675 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,220 It's like the flash of lightning in the summer sky just before a big storm, 676 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,420 and all around town it's all anyone's talking about. 677 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,366 Oh, yes, it's much more fun than talking about national health insurance. 678 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,460 Joe. Joe, you are not seriously having Anita Hill testify first, are you? 679 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,780 She's the one who made the claim. She's asked to go first, so yes. 680 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,180 She's already gone first. She's told her story to the media. 681 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,180 Her claims are out there, and they are hanging over Clarence's head. 682 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,340 That is exactly why in these proceedings, 683 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,364 Clarence deserves the right to speak first and clear his name. 684 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,620 - So you're asking me to change the order? - Yes, I am. 685 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:41,660 The hearing is less than 12 hours away. 686 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,843 You're the chairman, Joe. You know what's right here. 687 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,580 So, listen, you go on and get some sleep. 688 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,100 - I'll meet you at the hotel in the morning. - Hang on. 689 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,680 - We'll ride over together. - Hang on, guys. Change of plans. 690 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,380 They switched the order. They're gonna let Thomas testify first. 691 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,660 Danforth convinced Biden the order wasn't fair to Thomas. 692 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,780 But that doesn't make any sense. The hearings are about my charges. 693 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,900 What is there to talk about until I introduce them? 694 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,020 It's strategic. You get out in front first, you set the tone. 695 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,580 But he can't just make a big change like this hours before we start. 696 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,729 He's the chairman. He can do whatever he wants. 697 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,740 MALE REPORTER: Judge Clarence Thomas is, as surely the whole country knows now, 698 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,460 accused by Professor Anita Hill of sexually harassing her 699 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,660 when he was the head 700 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,020 of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, 701 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,300 the government agency where one would file a complaint 702 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,404 of sexual harassment if one felt they had been victimized by it. 703 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,300 The country has not heard from Judge Thomas in person all week, 704 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,260 though he did issue a statement denying all the charges against him. 705 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,860 Sometime after Judge Thomas testifies, Professor Hill will be called. 706 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,860 The Judiciary Committee stands accused 707 00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:02,980 of not taking these charges seriously when they were made. 708 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,500 And this week at least, virtually the entire Senate 709 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,286 stands accused of being indifferent to women's rights. 710 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,260 (KNOCKING) 711 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,728 ANNOUNCER: The number six Oklahoma Sooner drive for perfection is over. 712 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,540 Their dream for an undefeated season saw its biggest test and challenge last week 713 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,620 during the Red River shootout at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas... 714 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:45,006 Football? 715 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,020 It relaxes me. 716 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,780 ...swarming throughout the game. 717 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,380 Oklahoma could not get anything done offensively 718 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,580 while being held to under 100 yards passing. 719 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,220 FEMALE REPORTER: Anti-Thomas protesters rallied this morning 720 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,846 before what is expected to be a dramatic Senate hearing. 721 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,540 Supporters of Judge Thomas gathered to show solidarity for the nominee, and... 722 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,780 ANNOUNCER: ...despite this outstanding 24-yard touchdown catch 723 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,740 by running back Ted Long. 724 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,605 Quarterback Cale Gundy was under constant pressure... 725 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,380 That was a hell of a throw. 726 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,006 ...late fumble recovery for the winning touchdown late in the game. 727 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,126 (CROWD CLAMORING) 728 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,420 We're wasting time. 729 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,931 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 730 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,131 I'm sorry for this setting. It's the only quiet spot around here. 731 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,401 (DOOR CLOSING) 732 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,649 In Acts, how do Paul and Silas prepare for trial? 733 00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:11,960 They sing. 734 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,042 (ONWARD, CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS PLAYING) 735 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,128 Where's Clarence? They're ready for him. 736 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,780 Judge, do you swear to tell the truth, 737 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,460 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 738 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:38,925 I do. 739 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,081 Mr. Chairman, Senator Thurmond, 740 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,451 members of the Committee. 741 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:54,007 As excruciatingly difficult as the last two weeks have been, 742 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:01,008 I welcome the opportunity to clear my name today. 743 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,446 (SHUTTER CLICKS) 744 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,647 The first I learned of the allegations by Professor Anita Hill 745 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,401 was on September 25th, 1991, 746 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,931 when the FBI came to my home 747 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,246 to investigate her allegations. 748 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,283 When informed by the FBI agent of the nature of the allegations 749 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,845 and the person making them, 750 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,965 I was shocked, surprised, 751 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,531 hurt, and enormously saddened. 752 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:53,085 I cannot imagine anything that I said or did to Anita Hill 753 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,971 that could have been mistaken for sexual harassment. 754 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,700 If there is anything that has been misconstrued 755 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,325 by Anita Hill or anyone else, 756 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,164 then I can say that I am so very sorry and wish I had known. 757 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,740 Thank you so much for calling. 758 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,922 - That's great. Thank you. It's very helpful. - (SNAPS FINGER) 759 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,647 Okay, thanks. 760 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,260 That's three more friends of Anita's in addition to the one we already knew about 761 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,648 who remember her telling them at the time that Thomas was harassing her. 762 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,220 Go to the chairman's office. Tell them we need to fly these people in. 763 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,402 - They can all testify together. - Got it. 764 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:33,322 ...or this country can do to give me my good name back. 765 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,860 I am not going to engage in discussions, 766 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,282 nor will I submit to roving questions of what goes on 767 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,726 in the most intimate parts of my private life 768 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,841 or the sanctity of my bedroom. 769 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:53,050 These are the most intimate parts of my privacy. 770 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,644 And they will remain just that. 771 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:57,921 Private. 772 00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,485 JOE: Thank you, Judge. You will not be asked to. 773 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:08,881 Um... 774 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,526 What's he doing? 775 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,100 Realizing unless we can introduce Hill's affidavit, 776 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,851 he's got nothing to ask Thomas about. 777 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,410 JOE: Before I begin my questioning, 778 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:27,380 um, Judge, I just want to point out to the Committee 779 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,380 that we are somewhat limited to permissible questions at this stage. 780 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,324 - Limited why? - I understand, as recently as late last night, 781 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,660 Professor Hill has asked us to maintain the confidentiality of her statement. 782 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,728 - I said no such thing. - I know. 783 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:41,841 Hmm. 784 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,540 This is an open forum in the nomination process 785 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,100 to allow her attorneys or her... 786 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,740 I said I'd present my statement myself when I testified. 787 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,660 Biden changed the rules. He can't blame this on me. 788 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:54,940 I'm calling him. 789 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,660 Now that this man's reputation has been very badly hurt... 790 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,001 - Senator, would you please yield? - I'm not finished yet. 791 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,500 She wants to tell her own tale and maintain the confidentiality, 792 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,020 I gather from Chairman Biden's description of this. 793 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,220 CHARLES: Biden just misrepresented my client as not being forthcoming. 794 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,260 If he had stuck with the plan for her to go first, 795 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,660 we would not be having this problem. This is not her doing. 796 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,020 Well, if Professor Hill would just allow for her affidavit to be released, 797 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,540 then they'd be able to question Judge Thomas. 798 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,700 No. No. That was never the plan. 799 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,647 The plan was for her to present her charges in person, which she is fully prepared to do. 800 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,700 Okay, well, then I guess we need her here at the Senate building now. 801 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,700 And you need to have Biden clarify this now. 802 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,007 Fine, yes, just get her over here. 803 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,060 Orrin Hatch of the Republican minority side of the Committee is, for the moment, 804 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,220 taking charge of the Committee. 805 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,060 This is just an extraordinary development. 806 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,420 When you have a member of a Senate Committee saying 807 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,980 "If you don't allow a certain procedure to take place, 808 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,220 "I'm gonna resign from the Committee and quit," as Senator Hatch just did, 809 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:56,980 now, that doesn't happen up here every day. 810 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,570 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 811 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,080 Hearing will come to order. 812 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,364 Committee has resolved the impasse the following way. 813 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:18,420 Professor Hill has indicated on the telephone that she is prepared to release her statement. 814 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,380 - (REPORTERS CLAMORING) - We will excuse temporarily Judge Thomas, 815 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,060 and we will call momentarily, as a witness, Anita Hill. 816 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,940 Professor Hill will be sworn 817 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,420 and will make her own statement in her own words. 818 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:30,681 MAN: You did good. 819 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,723 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 820 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,780 - Is there a room set aside for Professor Hill? - Not that I know of, sir. 821 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,405 - Then find us one, damn it. - Yes, sir. 822 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:50,563 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 823 00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:56,801 Thanks. 824 00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:03,660 Not exactly concerned about my comfort, are they? 825 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,967 Don't worry about that. You'll be fine. 826 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,764 (SIREN WAILING IN DISTANCE) 827 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:14,210 Why are you doing this? 828 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,366 I've got students more qualified than Thomas. 829 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,565 Plus, I believe you. 830 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:37,290 What about tenure? 831 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,964 Hell, in 24 hours, I'll be able to get any job I want. 832 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:44,487 (CHUCKLES) Fuck tenure. 833 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:46,681 (KNOCKING ON DOOR) 834 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:47,940 Come in. 835 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,900 Professor, they're ready for you now. 836 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,411 Thank you. 837 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,402 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 838 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,160 (SIGHS) 839 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:36,531 (CAMERAS CLICKING) 840 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,286 Hearing will come to order. 841 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:06,940 Welcome, Professor. 842 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,780 We thank you on behalf of the Committee for making time for this. I know it wasn't easy, 843 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,202 and we appreciate that. Uh, please stand to be sworn in. 844 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:19,700 Do you swear to tell the truth, 845 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,406 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 846 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,602 - I do. - Okay. 847 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,210 Go ahead, then, with your opening statement, please. 848 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,460 - Mr. Chairman... - Excuse me. Excuse me. 849 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:44,980 I'm going to instruct the officers to not let anybody in or out of those doors 850 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,402 while Professor Hill is making this opening statement, please. 851 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:51,700 Can we do that? 852 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:52,801 (DOOR CLOSING) 853 00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,250 Mr. Chairman, 854 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,084 Senator Thurmond, 855 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,167 members of the Committee. 856 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,220 My name is Anita F. Hill, 857 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,166 and I am a professor of law at the University of Oklahoma. 858 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:20,766 I was born on a farm in Okmulgee County, Oklahoma, in 1956. 859 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,603 I'm the youngest of 13 children. 860 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:29,761 (DOOR CLOSING) 861 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,740 During this period at the Department of Education... 862 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,287 - Are you watching in there? - I'm not gonna watch at all. 863 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,683 But when they bring you back, they'll assume that you saw it. 864 00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:42,730 They can assume whatever they like. 865 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,963 I've heard enough of these lies. 866 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,060 After approximately three months of working there, 867 00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,721 he asked me to go out socially with him. 868 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:04,121 What happened next and telling the world about it 869 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:10,529 are two of the most difficult things... Experiences of my life. 870 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,220 My working relationship became even more strained 871 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:21,690 when Judge Thomas began to use work situations to discuss sex. 872 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:27,900 He spoke about acts that he had seen in pornographic films 873 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,700 involving such matters as women having sex with animals 874 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,805 and films showing group sex or rape scenes. 875 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,260 - (EXHALES) - He talked about pornographic materials 876 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,220 depicting individuals with large penises 877 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,450 - or large breasts involved in various sex acts. - (TELEPHONE RINGING) 878 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:55,885 On several occasions, Thomas told me graphically of his own sexual prowess. 879 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:08,450 Because I was extremely uncomfortable talking about sex with him at all 880 00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:12,361 and particularly in such a graphic way, 881 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,100 I told him that I did not want 882 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,060 - to talk about these subjects. - (TELEPHONE RINGING) 883 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,083 Somebody answer those. 884 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,340 I would also try to change the subject to education matters 885 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,540 or to nonsexual personal matters, 886 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,247 such as his background or his beliefs. 887 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,841 My efforts to change the subject were rarely successful. 888 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,247 During the latter part of my time at the Department of Education, 889 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,644 the social pressures and his offensive behavior ended. 890 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,204 I began both to believe and hope 891 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:58,125 that our working relationship could be a proper, cordial, and professional one. 892 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,726 When Judge Thomas was made chair of the EEOC, 893 00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,801 I needed to face the question of whether to go with him. 894 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,887 I was asked to do so, and I did. 895 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,047 The work itself was interesting 896 00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,340 and at that time it appeared 897 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:21,162 that the sexual overtures which had so troubled me had ended. 898 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,727 However, during the fall and winter of 1982, 899 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,646 these began again. 900 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:36,326 One of the oddest episodes I remember was an occasion 901 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,047 in which Thomas was drinking a Coke in his office. 902 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,126 He got up from the table at which we were working, 903 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,321 went over to his desk to get a Coke, 904 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:57,480 looked at the can, and asked, "Who has put pubic hair on my Coke?" 905 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,004 On other occasions, he referred to the size of his own penis 906 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,562 as being larger than normal, 907 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:12,323 and he also spoke of the pleasures he had given to women 908 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:15,361 with oral sex. 909 00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:17,980 (SIGHS) 910 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:22,927 Finally, he made a comment that I will vividly remember. 911 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:29,047 He said that if I ever told anyone of his behavior, 912 00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,640 that it would ruin his career. 913 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,260 I have no personal vendetta against Clarence Thomas. 914 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,700 I seek only to provide the Committee 915 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,885 with information which it may regard as relevant. 916 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,886 It would have been more comfortable to remain silent. 917 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,489 I took no initiative to inform anyone, 918 00:54:55,040 --> 00:55:00,206 but when I was asked by a representative of this Committee 919 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,407 to report my experience, 920 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,807 I felt that I had to tell the truth. 921 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,449 I could not keep silent. 922 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,049 There's no way he survives this day. 923 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,780 JOE: Professor, before I begin my questioning, 924 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,451 I notice that you have a number of people here. 925 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,460 You've got friends or family joining you here today? 926 00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,767 - My family hasn't arrived. - (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 927 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,940 They... I'm sorry. They are here, but they're in the hall. 928 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,300 We will make room for your family. 929 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,846 - It's a very large family, Senator. - (CHUCKLES) 930 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,580 Well, let's... Can we open those doors, please, 931 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,660 - get Professor Hill's family in here? - (DOOR OPENING) 932 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,780 If we can clear some of these chairs here. 933 00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,540 If you're not essential, maybe you can clear over here. 934 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:01,687 Love you, baby. 935 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:04,770 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 936 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:05,881 JOE: Here you go. 937 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,900 What's the backroom conversation at the White House? 938 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,940 I'm just speculating here, Peter. It isn't over, and I don't know, 939 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,500 but the sense that you get here, although they won't say it publicly, 940 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:20,931 is that they're pretty gloomy. 941 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,540 By all means, let's get loving close-ups of the salt-of-the-earth parents. 942 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:26,620 That's not prejudicial. 943 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:28,051 Is the President watching? 944 00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:34,328 He's still behind the guy? Okay, yeah. Just making sure. All right. 945 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,171 (LINE DISCONNECTS) 946 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:38,641 I had to ask. 947 00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,140 JOE: I must ask you, Professor, 948 00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:45,700 to explain again and more fully, if you would, 949 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,740 the behavior that you have alleged, 950 00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,686 that you say went beyond, uh, professional, 951 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,489 um, business practices. 952 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,011 Did all that behavior take place at work? 953 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:02,980 Yes, it did. 954 00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,100 And just in your own words, as best you can, 955 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,100 can you tell the Committee where each of these incidents 956 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,540 that you mentioned in your opening statement 957 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,165 took place specifically? 958 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,300 Well, I recall specifically 959 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:22,328 that the incident about the Coke can occurred in his office at the EEOC. 960 00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:23,965 What incident was that? 961 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:31,924 The incident with regard to the Coke can that's spelled out in my statement. 962 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,362 Okay, one more time again for me, please. 963 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:45,882 The, (SIGHS), uh, incident involved him 964 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,020 going to his desk... 965 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,329 Getting up from a work table, going to his desk, 966 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:59,965 looking at a can, and saying, "Who put pubic hair on my Coke?" 967 00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:08,722 And were there other incidents that took place at the office? 968 00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:16,644 I recall at least one instance in his office at the EEOC 969 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,300 where he brought up the substance 970 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,928 or the content of pornographic material. 971 00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,921 And again for the record, what was the content of... 972 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,246 What the hell is he doing? 973 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,660 Does he think people want to hear this trash again? 974 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:38,642 ...to an individual who had, um, a very large penis 975 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,609 and used the name that he was referred to 976 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,500 in the pornographic material. 977 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,523 - Um... - JOE: Do you recall what that was? 978 00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:50,686 ANITA: I do. 979 00:58:55,080 --> 00:59:00,883 The name that was referred to was Long Dong Silver. 980 00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,402 Jesus Christ Almighty. 981 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,660 JOE: Can you tell the Committee here what was the most embarrassing 982 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,444 of all these alleged incidents? 983 00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,206 ANITA: I think the one that was the most embarrassing 984 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,820 was his descriptions of pornography 985 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,860 involving women with large breasts 986 00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:30,620 engaged in a variety of sex with different people or animals. 987 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,900 That was the thing that embarrassed me the most 988 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,571 and made me feel the most humiliated. 989 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,250 (CROWD MURMURING) 990 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,660 Professor, I'm going to yield the floor now 991 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,660 to my good friend from Pennsylvania, Senator Specter. 992 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:51,369 Professor Hill, you testified that you drew an inference 993 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,246 that Judge Thomas might want you to look at pornographic films, 994 00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:00,402 but you told the FBI specifically that he never asked you to watch the films. 995 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:02,820 Is that correct? 996 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:08,740 He never said, "Let's go to my apartment and watch films." 997 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,580 He did say, "You ought to see this material." 998 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,287 But when you testified, as I wrote it down, 999 01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,780 "We ought to look at pornographic movies together," 1000 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,100 that was an expression of what was in your mind. 1001 01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,140 That was the inference that I drew, yes. 1002 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:30,060 What with his pressing me for social engagements, yes. 1003 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,448 But the fact is flatly he never asked you to look at pornographic movies with him? 1004 01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:35,880 With him? 1005 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,408 - No, he did not. - No, he did not. 1006 01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,131 Professor Hill, you said you took it to mean 1007 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,180 that Judge Thomas wanted to have sex with you, 1008 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:49,171 but, in fact, he never did ask you to have sex, correct? 1009 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,249 No, he never asked me to have sex. 1010 01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:59,300 He did continually pressure me to go out with him. 1011 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,007 He would not accept my explanation as being valid. 1012 01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,243 You think she should be more emotional? 1013 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,660 If she were, we'd be saying she should be less emotional. 1014 01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,740 All right, all three networks are going to stay live 1015 01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:11,980 as long as we're in session, 1016 01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,620 so if we can keep her talking for a few more hours, 1017 01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,380 Clarence will have prime time all to himself. 1018 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:17,925 Call the Committee. Let them know. 1019 01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:27,525 Professor Hill, what went through your mind, if anything, 1020 01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,180 on whether you ought to come forward at that stage? 1021 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,420 If you had, you would have stopped this man from being head of the EEOC. 1022 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,126 What went through your mind? (CHUCKLES) 1023 01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,940 How could you allow this sort of reprehensible conduct 1024 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,203 to go on right in the headquarters without doing something about it? 1025 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:52,340 I can only say that when I made the decision to just withdraw from the situation 1026 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,260 and not press a claim against him, 1027 01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,180 I may have shirked a duty, a responsibility that I had. 1028 01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,330 And to that extent, I confess that I am very sorry 1029 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:08,488 that I didn't do something or say something. 1030 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,380 But at the time, that was my best judgment. 1031 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:17,566 It may have been a poor judgment, but it was not dishonest. 1032 01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:22,530 It was not a completely unreasonable choice given the circumstances. 1033 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,900 MALE REPORTER: I think it really does underscore 1034 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,740 the basic difference how men and women look at this issue. 1035 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,340 I've had a number of occasions. Did I report them? No. 1036 01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,489 And for the same reasons you've heard every other woman in this country state. 1037 01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:42,568 There has been disclosed in the public the records of certain telephone logs. 1038 01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,580 You've been quoted in The Washington Post as saying, 1039 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,321 "Ms. Hill called the telephone logs garbage." 1040 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,300 Have you seen the records of the telephone logs, Professor Hill? 1041 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:53,420 Yes, I have. 1042 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,220 Do you deny the accuracy of these telephone logs? 1043 01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:56,300 No, I do not. 1044 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,940 Then you now concede that you had called Judge Thomas 11 times? 1045 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,044 I do not deny the accuracy of these logs. 1046 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:03,851 So they're not garbage. 1047 01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:12,529 Senator, what I said was, the issue is garbage. 1048 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,460 Those telephone messages do not indicate 1049 01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:21,329 that somehow I was pursuing something more than a cordial relationship. 1050 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,087 A professional relationship. 1051 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,460 Each one of those calls was made in a professional context. 1052 01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,245 Several of those calls involved one incident 1053 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,569 where I was trying to act on behalf of another group. 1054 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:40,762 So the issue that is being created with the telephone calls, yes, indeed is garbage. 1055 01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,300 If what you say this man said to you occurred, 1056 01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,340 why in God's name when he left his position of power 1057 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,180 or status or authority over you... 1058 01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:01,322 Why in God's name would you ever speak to a man like that the rest of your life? 1059 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,648 That's a very good question. 1060 01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:12,211 And I am sure that I cannot answer it to your satisfaction. 1061 01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,771 That is one of the things that I have tried to do here today, 1062 01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:23,162 I have suggested that I was afraid of retaliation. 1063 01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,485 I was afraid of damage to my professional life. 1064 01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:35,860 I believed that... You have to understand that this kind of response is not atypical, 1065 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,780 and I can't explain it. 1066 01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:43,966 It takes an expert in psychology to explain how that can happen. 1067 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,168 But it can happen. 1068 01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,483 'Cause it happened to me. 1069 01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:55,691 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 1070 01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:58,321 Well done. 1071 01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,660 MALE REPORTER: But the fact of the matter is that 1072 01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,300 Anita Hill was a very compelling witness 1073 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,482 who told in graphic detail 1074 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,300 how she was sexually harassed by Judge Thomas. 1075 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:12,820 There's a feeling here that, that this witness has held up pretty well this afternoon, 1076 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,460 and there has been a sense of apprehension about it. 1077 01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:17,846 - Here she is. - (APPLAUSE) 1078 01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,220 ARLEN: Let's face it, Clarence has his work cut out for him tonight. 1079 01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,483 No shit. We got to do everything we can to back him up. 1080 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,500 - Everything. - Excuse me. Excuse me, Mr. Duberstein. 1081 01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,260 I was asked to tell you that Senator Biden decided to adjourn till tomorrow, 1082 01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:34,540 so they're not gonna need Judge Thomas tonight. 1083 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,290 What? No fucking way. Move. 1084 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,220 - You are not adjourning. - Ken, everybody is completely exhausted. 1085 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,620 - We had an agreement. Same news cycle, Joe. - I already got a tooth that's killing me. 1086 01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,529 This country's gonna hear Clarence Thomas tonight. 1087 01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:47,620 It's either gonna be in there at the witness table 1088 01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:51,300 or parked right outside this door explaining to a bank of television cameras 1089 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,529 why Joe Biden is denying him the right to defend himself. 1090 01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,644 Clarence. The car's here. 1091 01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:07,851 We're going to be late. 1092 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,206 Did you talk to Jamal? 1093 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:18,761 Yes. 1094 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,128 - How is he? - Angry. 1095 01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:25,326 He's confused. 1096 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:27,925 What do I say to him? 1097 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,561 How can I explain all of this stuff that they say about me? 1098 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:34,441 Hmm? 1099 01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:39,762 Vile things no child should ever have to hear about their father. 1100 01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,860 And these men judging me, 1101 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:51,060 half of them are under an ethics cloud at this very minute. 1102 01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,460 Money charges, sex charges. 1103 01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:57,380 You don't see their lives going up in flames around them, do you? 1104 01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:58,606 Do you? 1105 01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:01,361 No. 1106 01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:03,889 They're gonna be just fine. 1107 01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:18,410 (GAVEL BANGING) 1108 01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,849 - JOE: Judge, you may want... - Senator, I would like to start by saying 1109 01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:26,930 unequivocally, 1110 01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:29,804 uncategorically... 1111 01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:37,580 That I deny each and every single allegation against me today 1112 01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:42,083 that suggested that I, in any way, had conversations 1113 01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:45,884 of a sexual nature 1114 01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,487 or about pornographic material with Anita Hill, 1115 01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,843 that I ever attempted to date her, 1116 01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:05,405 that I ever had any personal sexual interest in her, 1117 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:11,886 or that I, in any way, ever harassed her. 1118 01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:18,642 Second... And I think it's the more important point. 1119 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:24,050 I think that this today is a travesty. 1120 01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,688 I think it is disgusting. 1121 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:33,809 I think this hearing 1122 01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,371 should never occur in America. 1123 01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:42,660 How would any member on this Committee, 1124 01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,524 any person in this room, 1125 01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,460 any person in this country 1126 01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,962 like sleaze said about him or her in this fashion, 1127 01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:56,811 or this dirt dredged up and these lies displayed in this manner? 1128 01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,889 This is a circus. It's a national disgrace. 1129 01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:09,884 And from my standpoint, 1130 01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:13,890 as a black American, 1131 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,243 as far as I'm concerned, it's a hi-tech lynching 1132 01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:27,410 for uppity blacks who in any way deign to think for themselves, 1133 01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,085 do for themselves, 1134 01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,766 to have different ideas. 1135 01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:46,242 And it is a message that, unless you kowtow to the old order... 1136 01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,768 This is what will happen to you. 1137 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,645 You will be lynched, 1138 01:09:56,480 --> 01:09:57,891 destroyed, 1139 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:01,846 caricatured... 1140 01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:10,449 By a Committee of the US Senate rather than hung from a tree. 1141 01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,120 (CAMERAS CLICKING) 1142 01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:26,605 (CROWD MURMURING) 1143 01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:29,485 (EXHALES) 1144 01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:48,327 (CLEARS THROAT) Judge, tomorrow we will reconvene. 1145 01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,888 I assume, Judge... It's your choice. 1146 01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,220 I assume you wish to come back tomorrow. 1147 01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,940 The Committee is not demanding that you come back. 1148 01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,530 Would you like to come back tomorrow? 1149 01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,089 I think so, Senator. I'd like to finish this. 1150 01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:03,561 (GAVEL BANGS) 1151 01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,841 Most, most of the senators who were, uh, on the Committee tonight. 1152 01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,540 Uh, I think, were stunned at the anger... 1153 01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,740 It is impossible to absolutely resolve these two stories. 1154 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,100 MALE REPORTER: Does he not have a point when he says the leakage of this stuff, 1155 01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:23,420 the dirty character of it amounts, in part at least, 1156 01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,980 to an attempting lynching of Clarence Thomas? 1157 01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:27,780 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 1158 01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:31,566 - This is about sexual harassment. - Agreed. 1159 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,500 And about his fitness to be an Associate Justice on the Supreme Court. 1160 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,220 None of what he said has any relevance. 1161 01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,020 But this is not a judicial proceeding. 1162 01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,620 This is political theater, and Thomas just performed. 1163 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,060 - So he got you? - No. 1164 01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,300 - I'm not saying anything he said was relevant. - (SCOFFS) Mmm-hmm. 1165 01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:51,580 And I hate that it was him of all people, but he did tell a truth. 1166 01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:55,924 "A truth"? By saying that supporting me is synonymous with supporting lynching? 1167 01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,220 - No, no, no. I'm not trying to say that. - He is not the victim here. 1168 01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:59,620 I'm not trying to say that, either. 1169 01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,580 - Then what are you trying to say, Charles? - Listen. 1170 01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,808 White folks are already talking this bullshit 1171 01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,020 that this can't be about race 'cause you're both black, right? 1172 01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,700 - So what Thomas just did... - No, listen to me. Listen to me! 1173 01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:14,420 My grandfather fled Arkansas because he was threatened with lynching. 1174 01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:15,980 - I appreciate that. - A real lynching. 1175 01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,300 Not this metaphoric kind that Thomas is talking about. 1176 01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,084 But he doesn't care about that. 1177 01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,651 He only acknowledged race because it was about him. 1178 01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:28,820 But that's not right. 1179 01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,460 - I'm not saying it is right. - It's not the issue. 1180 01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,820 - The issue is sexual harassment. - But it was effective. Now, you think 1181 01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,288 any of those white boys on that Committee are prepared to challenge him now? 1182 01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:41,641 (SIGHS) 1183 01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,761 You know what really pisses me off? 1184 01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:50,287 He's trying to dismiss you precisely because you're a black woman. 1185 01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,780 - Hmm. - You and I both know 1186 01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,487 that this hearing and his nomination would be in a very different place 1187 01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:57,740 if you looked like his wife. 1188 01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:58,841 Hmm. (SCOFFS) 1189 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,008 Good, you're still here. 1190 01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:05,690 You're not gonna believe this. 1191 01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,100 There's another woman. 1192 01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,060 Her name is Angela Wright. She worked for Thomas after Anita Hill. 1193 01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,380 They never met, never even heard of each other. 1194 01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:17,540 She's a newspaper editor now, but what she really wants to be is a columnist, 1195 01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,325 so to prove herself to her bosses, she wrote a sample column. 1196 01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,606 "I know Thomas is capable of doing these things because he did them to me." 1197 01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,331 We need to depose her. 1198 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:32,646 (CLEARS THROAT) 1199 01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:37,300 I can tell you that during the course of the year that I worked for Clarence Thomas, 1200 01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,540 there were several comments that he made. 1201 01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,660 And Clarence Thomas did consistently pressure me to date him. 1202 01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,180 - Right, and was there... - ANGELA: At one point, 1203 01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,250 Clarence Thomas made comments about my anatomy. 1204 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:48,500 - Can you... - ANGELA: He often said, 1205 01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,420 "I've got some fine women on my staff." 1206 01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,683 I remember him saying that one woman had a big ass. 1207 01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,646 Clarence Thomas commented on a dress that I was wearing 1208 01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,900 and asked what size my boobs were. 1209 01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,460 Clarence Thomas came by my house at night... 1210 01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,180 - Miss Wright... - ...uninvited, spoke in general terms, 1211 01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:08,300 but then tried to move the conversation over to the prospect of me dating him. 1212 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,140 - Is this on? - We're talking about a thing that, you know.. 1213 01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:11,220 She can hear? 1214 01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:12,580 ...pretty much pops out of Clarence Thomas's mouth 1215 01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,921 whenever the hell he feels like saying it. 1216 01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:16,820 Does the White House know about her? 1217 01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,251 We sent over a copy of her deposition. 1218 01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:19,820 Oh. (CHUCKLES) 1219 01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:21,763 - They're gonna love that, aren't they? - Yeah. 1220 01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,620 Okay, triple-check her credibility. 1221 01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,660 I mean, these situations pull all sorts of people out of the woodwork. 1222 01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,420 - Attention seekers. - Yeah, I don't think that's the case here. 1223 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,660 She didn't call us. Someone else sent her column in. 1224 01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,820 And she has a corroborating witness. 1225 01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:38,540 It took some convincing to get her to talk, but, boy, once she started... 1226 01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,060 - A loose cannon? - Possibly. Plus, he fired her. 1227 01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,100 - Oh. - (DRAWER CLOSING) 1228 01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,460 Ex-employee disgruntled loose cannon. 1229 01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:47,561 - Yeah. - Better yet. 1230 01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,602 - All right, bring her in. - She won't come. 1231 01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,060 "Even though I have got the guts of a bull, 1232 01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:56,740 "I don't necessarily relish the fallout from speaking up in this kind of situation." 1233 01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:58,420 Well, I'm not gonna be the chairman 1234 01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,780 who knew about a second accuser and didn't call her in. 1235 01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:02,660 Subpoena her if that's what it takes, 1236 01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,127 - but get her down here however you have to. - Okay. 1237 01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,561 And somebody find me a goddamn dentist! 1238 01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,923 MALE REPORTER: An eleventh hour surprise in the Clarence Thomas case. 1239 01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,540 According to the North Carolina newspaper The Charlotte Observer, 1240 01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:20,940 one of its own employees, Angela Wright, has some charges of her own to level. 1241 01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,820 New accusations are being leveled against the Supreme Court nominee. 1242 01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:28,020 This in addition to the allegation of sexual harassment 1243 01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,140 made by law professor Anita Hill. 1244 01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:34,620 If that's the best witness they can dig up, we bring her in. Arlen has a field day. 1245 01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:35,700 I disagree completely. 1246 01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,940 Any woman telling the same story, whoever she is, is bad for Clarence. 1247 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,100 - Sir. - Yes? 1248 01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:41,850 Jamie Bush, the President's nephew, called. 1249 01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,020 - About what? - A Dr. Satinover. 1250 01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,540 Another psychiatrist in addition to the one we're bringing in tomorrow. 1251 01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:48,641 Thank you. 1252 01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:50,420 MALE REPORTER: Who told the lies? 1253 01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,260 Well, two witnesses, Judge Thomas and Anita Hill, 1254 01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,443 told precisely opposite stories under oath. 1255 01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:57,966 Which one lied? 1256 01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,881 A word to boys and girls who may be in front of the television set at the moment. 1257 01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,420 We parents know this is usually your time of day. 1258 01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,420 If today's testimony is anything like yesterday's, 1259 01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,540 there may once again be extremely graphic testimony 1260 01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,041 that you may not want your children to watch. 1261 01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,686 MALE REPORTER: It was hot off the presses in San Francisco this morning. 1262 01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,860 The controversy with more questions than answers. 1263 01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,460 The wind-burned fisherman who believes the professor. 1264 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,900 When a woman at her age gets down in front of the public 1265 01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:37,210 and gives herself up like that, that man is guilty as far as I'm concerned. 1266 01:16:37,480 --> 01:16:40,420 MALE REPORTER: The sex harassment victim who trusts the judge. 1267 01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:44,809 Just didn't seem to me like she was telling the truth. 1268 01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:46,700 MALE REPORTER: In Compton, California, 1269 01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,700 at the nation's only NAACP chapter to support Clarence Thomas, 1270 01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,849 people still can't believe a black woman is his accuser. 1271 01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,380 The ordeal continues on this Saturday morning 1272 01:16:56,480 --> 01:17:00,940 and it can only be called that, an ordeal, for Clarence Thomas, for Anita Hill, 1273 01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,020 for the Senate Judiciary Committee, 1274 01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:04,980 and for the nation as well. 1275 01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,900 This is round two of these renewed hearings, of course, 1276 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,500 on Anita Hill's accusations of sexual harassment against Clarence Thomas. 1277 01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,100 CHARLES: They'll be finished with Thomas by end of day, 1278 01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:14,540 Do we have all our folks lined up for tomorrow? 1279 01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,100 The four friends of Anita who remember her 1280 01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,100 telling them about the harassment at the time. 1281 01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:19,201 Three lawyers, one judge. 1282 01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:20,780 Make sure the Committee has their credentials. 1283 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,620 We also sent them the names of the three psychologists who will say 1284 01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,700 that Anita's behavior is consistent with victims of sexual harassment. 1285 01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:28,260 Get them the published research on that as well. 1286 01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:30,460 - That other woman? - Angela Wright. 1287 01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:31,820 She's gonna bring this thing home. 1288 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:33,620 SUSAN: (ON TV) I think the line is the absolute truth. 1289 01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:36,540 They are delighted with Thomas's performance last night. 1290 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,260 They felt that the whole dynamic of the hearing changed. 1291 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,780 John, did the White House have a piece of this strategy? 1292 01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,660 Were they in on the idea of invoking race? 1293 01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:45,980 They were in on the idea. 1294 01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,367 They knew exactly what Clarence Thomas was going to say. 1295 01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:52,771 CLARENCE: In this country, when it comes to sexual conduct, 1296 01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:59,204 we still have underlying racial attitudes about black men and their views on sex. 1297 01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,740 Once you pin that on me, I can't get it off. 1298 01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:08,926 Anita Hill said he discussed oral sex between men and women. 1299 01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:12,300 Yes, I'm a client. Can you tell him I'm here? 1300 01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,900 But nobody in the Senate bothered telling me where the hell I'm supposed to go. 1301 01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,721 "Thomas liked to discuss specific sex acts and frequency of sex." 1302 01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:24,780 Now that last... "Frequency." That could have to do 1303 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:28,860 with black men supposedly being very promiscuous or something like that. 1304 01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,089 So it could be partially stereotypical? 1305 01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:34,340 Yes. 1306 01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:36,602 Well, I'm concerned. 1307 01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:41,088 Well, I was talking about these hearings with a friend of mine, 1308 01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,380 and when I told him what I thought as a mental health professional, 1309 01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:48,086 he said to me, "This is something the senators need to hear." 1310 01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,140 - Doctor... - And at first I was just flabbergasted, 1311 01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,642 but then halfway through her testimony, it hit me. 1312 01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:57,804 Erotomania. 1313 01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,140 - I beg your pardon? - It's a psychiatric disorder. 1314 01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:04,060 The person suffering has delusions 1315 01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,540 that another person, usually of a higher status, 1316 01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:10,281 has a romantic interest in him or her. 1317 01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,002 You're not kidding? Now, this exists? 1318 01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:18,446 Ever read this book? 1319 01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:20,881 No. 1320 01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:22,780 The Exorcist. 1321 01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:24,370 - What the hell is he doing? - No, Senator. 1322 01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:29,562 You said you never did say, "Who has put pubic hair on my Coke?" 1323 01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:33,362 You never did talk about Long Dong Silver. 1324 01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,540 I submit those things were found 1325 01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:41,282 from page 70 of this particular version of The Exorcist. 1326 01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,460 "'Dennings had remarked to him in passing, ' said Sharon, 1327 01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,860 "'that there appeared to be," ' quote, 1328 01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,409 "'an alien pubic hair floating around in my gin,"' 1329 01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:54,260 unquote. 1330 01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:55,380 This is ridiculous. 1331 01:19:55,480 --> 01:19:58,643 ORRIN: You think that was spoken by happenstance? 1332 01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:06,100 ALAN: I think it is very well that you were not here to hear the testimony of Miss Hill. 1333 01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:08,860 (SIGHS) I'm Angela Wright. I'm here to see my lawyer, Gil Middlebrooks. 1334 01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,246 Okay. 1335 01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:14,020 Welcome to DC. They haven't called you in yet. 1336 01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:16,340 You can wait here till they do. 1337 01:20:16,440 --> 01:20:18,090 ALAN: And here we are. 1338 01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:23,728 You've been before us for 105 days. 1339 01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:27,961 I'm waiting for 105 days of surveillance of Miss Hill. 1340 01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,380 Then we'll see, you know, who ate the cabbage... 1341 01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:34,245 - The fuck is he talking about? - ...as we say out in the Wild West. 1342 01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:36,060 And now... 1343 01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,300 - Christ's sake, rein these guys in. - I can't. 1344 01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,609 ...I really am getting stuff over the transom about Professor Hill. 1345 01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:47,242 I have got letters hanging out of my pockets. 1346 01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,100 I have got faxes. 1347 01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,204 I have got statements from her former law professors. 1348 01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,203 Statements from people that know her. 1349 01:20:55,720 --> 01:21:01,204 Statements from Tulsa, Oklahoma, saying, watch out for this woman. 1350 01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,771 But nobody has the guts to say that 1351 01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:10,128 because it gets all tangled up in this sexual harassment crap. 1352 01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,380 - Have they scheduled Angela Wright? - Call you back. 1353 01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:16,289 - She's in the mix. - What does that mean? 1354 01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:17,700 There's a schedule. 1355 01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:18,780 - She's either on it, or she's not. - (KNOCKING) 1356 01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:20,689 Carolyn, there's a Washington Post reporter. 1357 01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:24,020 He's found a video store owner who claims that Thomas is a longtime customer of his. 1358 01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:25,281 Rented lots of hardcore porn. 1359 01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:26,540 - What? - What? 1360 01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:28,380 Should I get his number so we can talk to him? Or is that... 1361 01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:29,940 - No! - Yes, absolutely! 1362 01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:31,020 - No! - Yes! 1363 01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,940 - God, there is a law against that. - (TELEPHONE RINGING) 1364 01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,805 We do not expose citizens' private viewing records. 1365 01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:39,805 Carolyn Hart. 1366 01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:43,161 Wow. 1367 01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:45,220 Angela Wright... 1368 01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,300 - That's us, we should go. - ...will soon be with us. 1369 01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:51,007 We think, but now we're told that Angela Wright has, 1370 01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:54,620 what we used to call in the legal trade, cold feet. 1371 01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,324 Wait, what? 1372 01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,220 Is Angela Wright backing out? 1373 01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,180 No, I went over the witness list with Biden's office. She's still on it. 1374 01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,300 - So he's lying. - He knows she's a threat. 1375 01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:04,686 - He's discrediting her. - SONIA: Exactly. 1376 01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,321 Did you fire her? And if you did, what for? 1377 01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:12,769 Um, she referred to a male member of my staff as a faggot. 1378 01:22:13,480 --> 01:22:15,300 That's a lie. I did no such thing. 1379 01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,971 - That was enough for you? - That was more than enough. 1380 01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,980 That is kind of the way you are, isn't it? 1381 01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:23,809 That is how I am 1382 01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,682 when it comes to that kind of conduct. 1383 01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,260 She's a credible witness that'll testify Thomas harassed her, too, 1384 01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,140 and they're smearing her just like they smeared Anita. 1385 01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,481 - This is completely unethical. - Exactly. 1386 01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:38,980 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS ON TV) 1387 01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,048 I won't get into those old saws, 1388 01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:45,883 but I will tell you that I do love Shakespeare, 1389 01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,048 and Shakespeare would love this. 1390 01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:52,648 This is about love and hate, 1391 01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:57,285 and cheating, and disgust, and avarice. 1392 01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:03,766 All those things that make that remarkable bard read today. 1393 01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,606 Othello. Read Othello, 1394 01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,480 and don't ever forget this line. 1395 01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:17,089 "Good name in man and woman, dear my Lord." 1396 01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:18,401 Christ. 1397 01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:19,886 You remember this scene? 1398 01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:27,129 "Is the immediate jewel of our souls." 1399 01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:30,885 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 1400 01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,380 MALE REPORTER: Good evening. Clarence Thomas went on the attack today 1401 01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:36,820 - accusing his critics of using blatant racism... - Thank you. 1402 01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:38,260 ...to keep him off the Supreme Court. 1403 01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:39,820 But he said he had rather died... 1404 01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,300 They said they'll call you tomorrow. 1405 01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:42,380 The dramatic testimony 1406 01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:43,820 - came during a grueling... - Mmm-hmm. 1407 01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:45,660 They apologize for any inconvenience. 1408 01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,081 Did they apologize for trashing my reputation? 1409 01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:50,651 Did they apologize for that? 1410 01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:52,766 Have a nice day, sir. 1411 01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:58,220 Chief of Staff John Sununu telling CNN Anita Hill's credibility has been undermined 1412 01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:02,140 and that calls to the White House are overwhelmingly in Thomas's favor. 1413 01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,780 Even the people at the White House were stunned 1414 01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,100 by what they consider the lackluster performance of the Democrats. 1415 01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:10,500 They couldn't understand why they were just sitting there 1416 01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,020 and not challenging Thomas and being more assertive. 1417 01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,020 We need to be pushing harder to the press. 1418 01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:17,340 - CHARLES: We need to push back. - SHIRLEY: Well, they beat us to that. 1419 01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:20,580 Journalists calling to confirm Anita's lesbianism 1420 01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,170 (ALL BICKERING) 1421 01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,968 ...and to inquire about an official diagnosis of erotomania. 1422 01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,460 - What is that? - Think it means what it says. 1423 01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:29,700 FEMALE REPORTER: In a decision that apparently 1424 01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:31,140 was personally approved by the President, 1425 01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:32,420 they decided to go after her 1426 01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,980 and to float all sorts of stories about erotic fantasies 1427 01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,367 and that she has psychological problems. 1428 01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,380 MALE REPORTER: Today, spectators will watch corroborating witnesses 1429 01:24:42,480 --> 01:24:45,660 attempt to support both Judge Thomas and Professor Hill 1430 01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,220 and continue to struggle with who is telling the truth. 1431 01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:49,765 Have you seen these? 1432 01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,324 Fifty percent of Americans believe him. Twenty-five percent believe her. 1433 01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:54,780 - Ricki. - Your boss is fucking this up. 1434 01:24:54,880 --> 01:25:00,284 It is not your place to tell the chairman of the Judiciary Committee how to do his job. 1435 01:25:00,440 --> 01:25:01,441 (SIGHS) 1436 01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:06,010 (CLEARS THROAT) Last time I checked, you worked for a senator, too, 1437 01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,362 and maybe you should bring it up with him. 1438 01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,603 Are you sure you want to do this? 1439 01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:15,521 Yes. 1440 01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,687 Because there'll be no way to keep it quiet. 1441 01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,180 Checked on Anita Hill's former students in Oklahoma. 1442 01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:26,521 - And what'd you find? - They basically all said the same thing. 1443 01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,130 She's tough but fair. 1444 01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,940 Senator Brown's office did talk to some guys from Oral Roberts, 1445 01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:33,260 where she worked before Oklahoma, 1446 01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:34,860 and they did have a story, but it seemed pretty... 1447 01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:36,540 What'd they say? 1448 01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,300 Well, they said 1449 01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:42,580 that Anita Hill had put pubic hair between the pages of their term papers. 1450 01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,500 Anita Hill put pubic hairs in her students' term papers. 1451 01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:46,780 No, I don't think so. 1452 01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,420 That is what they said, but it was after the whole Coke can thing, so... 1453 01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,568 We need affidavits from them. 1454 01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:55,460 We do? Okay. Um, sorry, it just seems so unlikely that... 1455 01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,620 Well, we have no idea what's likely or unlikely from this woman. 1456 01:25:58,720 --> 01:25:59,767 Sorry, sir. Yes, sir. 1457 01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,380 A CBS news poll conducted just yesterday 1458 01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:04,980 shows most Americans believe 1459 01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:10,220 that neither Thomas nor his accuser Anita Hill told the entire truth. 1460 01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,100 I was hoping I could have a quick word with you, if it's okay. 1461 01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,362 - Sure. Sit. - (TV SWITCHES OFF) 1462 01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,042 Okay, so let me start by saying 1463 01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,127 I get why you've been quiet through all of this. 1464 01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,642 I'm sure a lot of people much smarter than me have told you that's the way to go. 1465 01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:33,369 And who knows? Maybe they're right, but... 1466 01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,242 She's all alone out there, sir. 1467 01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:58,725 You ever taken a polygraph before, Miss Hill? 1468 01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:01,209 - No, I have not. - Okay. 1469 01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:07,860 WOMAN: She told me she was being subjected 1470 01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:09,291 to sexual harassment from her boss. 1471 01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:11,925 That boss was Clarence Thomas. 1472 01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,020 She told me Clarence Thomas asked her out on dates 1473 01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,140 and showed an unwanted sexual interest in her. 1474 01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:19,651 PATRICK: Is she, in your estimation, 1475 01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,500 a woman who suffers from fantasies in any way 1476 01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,126 or is she pretty levelheaded? 1477 01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,840 She's one of the most levelheaded people I know. 1478 01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:29,260 PATRICK: Thank you, Judge. 1479 01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,806 - MAN: Is your name Anita F. Hill? - Yes. 1480 01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:39,529 Various psychiatrists have come forward to state as a general principle, 1481 01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:43,128 not as a diagnosis of an individual but as a general principle, 1482 01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:47,927 that there is a specific disorder. 1483 01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:52,610 So here is this foul stack of stench 1484 01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,840 justifiably offensive in any category, 1485 01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:01,081 and I ask you why, after she left his power, 1486 01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,324 or whatever it was that gave her fear 1487 01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:07,604 or revulsion or repulsion... 1488 01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:14,123 Why did she, twice after that, visit personally with him in Tulsa, Oklahoma? 1489 01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:20,980 I get Christmas cards from people I don't see from one end of the year to the other end 1490 01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:22,286 and do not wish to. 1491 01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:26,130 I also return their cards and will return their calls. 1492 01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,300 And these are people who have insulted me 1493 01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:32,370 and done things which perhaps have been degrading at times. 1494 01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:34,923 But these are the things you have to put up with. 1495 01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:38,489 And being a black woman, you have to put up with a lot. 1496 01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,446 So you grit your teeth, and you do it. 1497 01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,011 - Senator Kennedy. - Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 1498 01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,169 Some people just don't want to believe you. 1499 01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:59,525 You have to understand that they just don't want to believe you, 1500 01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:02,321 - and they don't want to believe Professor Hill. - (SIGHS) 1501 01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:05,681 But I hope, Mr. Chairman... 1502 01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:10,082 I hope that we're not going to hear a lot more comments, 1503 01:29:11,480 --> 01:29:14,609 unworthy, unjustified comments 1504 01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:18,287 about fantasy stories picked out of books 1505 01:29:18,440 --> 01:29:22,286 and law cases after we've heard from this panel. 1506 01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,809 I hope we can clear this room of the dirt 1507 01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:30,209 and innuendo about over-the-transom information. 1508 01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:33,860 I hope we're going to be sensitive 1509 01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:37,660 to the attempts of character assassination on Professor Hill. 1510 01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:39,046 They're unworthy. 1511 01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,841 And quite frankly, I hope we're not going to hear a lot more about racism 1512 01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,122 as we consider this nominee. 1513 01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:51,322 Fact is that these points of sexual harassment 1514 01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:55,811 are made by an Afro-American against an Afro-American. 1515 01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:00,289 The issue isn't discrimination and racism. 1516 01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,805 It's about sexual harassment. 1517 01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:10,608 And I hope we can keep our eye on that particular issue. 1518 01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:14,481 Thank you. 1519 01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:17,330 JOE: Thank you, Senator Kennedy. 1520 01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,100 CAROLE: Within the last few minutes, we just found out 1521 01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:39,620 that Professor Anita Hill has taken a polygraph test, 1522 01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:44,180 and according to the expert that administered it to her, she passed it. 1523 01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:45,940 She offered to take a lie detector test. 1524 01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:47,900 That's not the hallmark of someone who's lying. 1525 01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,660 FEMALE REPORTER: At a golf outing, President Bush said he saw no reason 1526 01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:54,048 for either Hill or Judge Clarence Thomas to take such a test. 1527 01:30:54,440 --> 01:30:59,660 I don't want to be in a position of advocating that every nominee takes a lie detector test. 1528 01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:01,046 And I think it's a stupid idea. 1529 01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:03,364 JACK: Of course she'll pass a polygraph 1530 01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:07,851 because the disorder makes her believe she is telling the truth. 1531 01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:11,300 FEMALE REPORTER: Republicans complaining bitterly that, as Orrin Hatch said, 1532 01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:14,980 you can find any polygraph tester to produce any results you want. 1533 01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:19,404 He called it "the sleazy tactic of a two-bit sleaze lawyer." 1534 01:31:20,440 --> 01:31:22,100 MALE REPORTER: It seems to me that in the country 1535 01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,660 for that great band in the middle somewhere, 1536 01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:28,162 that their judgment swings from session to session. 1537 01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:30,767 This afternoon, Anita Hill's friends and supporters 1538 01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:32,180 made a very credible appearance. 1539 01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,100 Tonight, his friends and supporters and coworkers 1540 01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:36,900 are making credible performances. 1541 01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,731 He's a man of high moral standing, 1542 01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,088 and I tell you that it's not possible 1543 01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:44,980 that he could be linked with the kinds of things 1544 01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:46,740 that have been alleged against him here. 1545 01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:50,322 I have known Judge Clarence Thomas for more than 30 years, 1546 01:31:50,440 --> 01:31:56,300 and I find the allegations by Miss Hill not only ludicrous but totally inconsistent, 1547 01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:59,260 and in opposite to his principles and his personality. 1548 01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:03,843 She played the role of a meek, innocent, shy Baptist girl from the South 1549 01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:06,540 who was a victim of this big bad man. 1550 01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:10,020 Chairman Thomas that I have known for 10 years 1551 01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:14,603 is absolutely incapable of the abuses described by Professor Hill. 1552 01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:16,220 In my case, 1553 01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:20,420 she had fantasized about my being interested in her romantically. 1554 01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:21,806 Et tu, Brutus? 1555 01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,005 You, too, Anita? 1556 01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:27,220 FEMALE REPORTER: Extraordinary hearings on the nomination of 1557 01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:29,140 Judge Clarence Thomas continue 1558 01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:32,580 and are expected to go on long into the night. 1559 01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:35,540 Tomorrow, Professor Anita Hill and Judge Clarence Thomas 1560 01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,940 have been invited back to wrap up their testimony, 1561 01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:43,100 Extraordinary is a word that may be not quite strong enough, Carole. 1562 01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:46,780 This thing has ground on now for hours through the day and into the night. 1563 01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:48,700 Some Republican senators are still trying 1564 01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:52,060 to prevent the Committee from hearing testimony from another witness 1565 01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:54,060 who's come forward against Thomas. 1566 01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:55,940 MALE REPORTER: At first, we thought it was going to be 1567 01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,300 a national encounter on sexual harassment. 1568 01:32:58,400 --> 01:32:59,740 And now it has turned ugly. 1569 01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:03,740 It's almost a murder-suicide pact between Democrats and Republicans. 1570 01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:05,604 Just no one wins. 1571 01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:07,780 I talked to Joel Paul. 1572 01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:11,220 He's been getting threatening phone calls, and he's worried he won't get tenure. 1573 01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:13,641 Because he was a character witness for me? 1574 01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:15,527 Yes. 1575 01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:26,260 If we can get Thomas's porn rental records, I say we get them. 1576 01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:29,700 - Absolutely not, no. - Joe, this is a dirty fight. 1577 01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:31,980 There's no second place. If we don't win, we lose. 1578 01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:33,320 At what cost, Patrick? 1579 01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,620 I'm getting calls into my office. Hundreds an hour. 1580 01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:37,940 American citizens saying 1581 01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:40,060 whatever the hell you people are doing down there 1582 01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:45,740 with the Coke cans and Long Dong Ding, whatever the fuck it is, stop it. 1583 01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:46,940 We have an obligation to make sure 1584 01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:48,900 we're putting the right person on the Supreme Court. 1585 01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,820 I also have an obligation to uphold the dignity 1586 01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:54,540 and the credibility of the United States Senate. 1587 01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:56,881 Yeah? How's that going? 1588 01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:27,460 MALE REPORTER: If there is a consensus in this nation tonight, 1589 01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:32,441 it is that no one likes what's going on and there are no real winners. 1590 01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:35,731 We have gone from shock to discomfort, 1591 01:34:36,440 --> 01:34:39,762 now to a combination of anger, depression, and shame. 1592 01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:41,206 (DOOR OPENS) 1593 01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:47,420 No, you are not introducing that vile, obvious bullshit. 1594 01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,569 Maybe it's BS, and maybe it's not, Joe. You don't know. 1595 01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:54,566 It's just like this bogus movie rental stuff and this Angela Wright. 1596 01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:59,100 If you want to introduce questionable testimony on national television, 1597 01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:01,020 I've got a doozy right here. 1598 01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:02,940 You know we've got the votes back, Joe. 1599 01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:04,820 We have a solid 51 in the Senate. 1600 01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,526 We'll probably pick up one or two more by Tuesday, 1601 01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:11,180 so we can keep talking dirty to the nation if you want, 1602 01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,009 but it won't change the outcome. 1603 01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:14,500 Jack, is this who you want to be? 1604 01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:16,020 This is a free-for-all, Joe. There are no rules. 1605 01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:18,860 Somebody who goes after a woman like this with no holds barred? 1606 01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:20,860 You know this is a street fight, Joe. 1607 01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:23,620 And if a friend of mine is attacked in a street fight, 1608 01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:25,722 I'm gonna pick up a crowbar. 1609 01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:30,847 Hey, take that shit with you. 1610 01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:39,486 (DOOR CLOSING) 1611 01:36:16,440 --> 01:36:20,047 So I came all the way here for nothing? 1612 01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:23,205 The Committee appreciates your willingness to participate. 1613 01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:26,530 "Willingness"? I was subpoenaed. 1614 01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,740 While it is Chairman Biden's desire that you testify, 1615 01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:33,060 the time constraints we find ourselves under are making that impossible. 1616 01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,481 "Time constraints"? I've been here a day and a half. 1617 01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:39,091 So the chairman would like to withdraw your subpoena. 1618 01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:42,848 He will enter your deposition into the written record unrebutted. 1619 01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:45,769 This agreement is by mutual consent. 1620 01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:48,300 He would like you to sign it. 1621 01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:49,460 What if I don't? 1622 01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:54,441 They'll fill the time with other witnesses so they really do run out of time. 1623 01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:10,900 Angela Wright is not going to testify. 1624 01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:12,604 - What? - ALL: No! 1625 01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:14,140 By mutual agreement, they say. 1626 01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:15,220 WOMAN: That is bullshit. 1627 01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:17,260 The deposition is going into the written record, 1628 01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,060 so the senators will know what she said. 1629 01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:20,540 If they read it, which they won't. 1630 01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:22,290 - Which they won't. - Correct. 1631 01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:26,929 This was a mistake. 1632 01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:32,340 This is why I never came forward before. 1633 01:37:32,440 --> 01:37:34,920 What good have we done? 1634 01:37:35,480 --> 01:37:38,180 My friends' jobs are being threatened. 1635 01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:40,180 My reputation is ruined. 1636 01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:41,340 - For what? - You will testify tomorrow 1637 01:37:41,440 --> 01:37:42,420 and set the record straight. 1638 01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:45,808 I have said everything that I came here to say, but they don't want to hear it. 1639 01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:50,608 They don't care. They only want to win. 1640 01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:52,980 There's got to be something we can do. 1641 01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:55,020 There has to be something else that we can do. 1642 01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:56,201 We need to get the names. 1643 01:37:56,480 --> 01:37:58,767 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 1644 01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:04,846 You all have worked very hard. 1645 01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:17,649 And if I'm letting you down, I'm sorry. 1646 01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:32,204 Call Judiciary. 1647 01:38:33,440 --> 01:38:35,841 Tell them I'm done. I want to go home. 1648 01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:58,580 JOE: Ladies, thank you so much. 1649 01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:01,340 We certainly appreciate your testimony here today. 1650 01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:05,081 Obviously we didn't recognize or realize 1651 01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:07,620 we were going to go quite as late as we did tonight. 1652 01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:09,051 - Senator. - But that's... 1653 01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:22,020 Both Professor Hill and Judge Thomas 1654 01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:26,648 have decided not to appear tomorrow. 1655 01:39:27,480 --> 01:39:31,405 Based on that, this entire proceeding is ended. 1656 01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:37,923 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 1657 01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:50,740 - Fifty-two votes. - Fifty-two votes! Congratulations! 1658 01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:52,604 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 1659 01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:09,126 (SIGHS) 1660 01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:20,020 ERIC: (ON TV) Thomas's supporters claim that he has the votes 1661 01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:24,380 to win the confirmation when the full Senate votes at 6:00 p.m. on Tuesday. 1662 01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:27,660 But the situation is now so muddled and so confused 1663 01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:31,100 after three days of lurid, inconclusive testimony 1664 01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:33,180 that nobody's sure of anything, 1665 01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:36,409 except that the whole process has been distasteful. 1666 01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:10,721 Hey. 1667 01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:15,487 Who'd you believe, him or her? 1668 01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:18,161 Her. 1669 01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:49,008 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 1670 01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:18,740 The chair will remind the galleries 1671 01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:21,730 that expressions of approval or disapproval are prohibited. 1672 01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:26,444 The question is on the confirmation of the nomination of Clarence Thomas of Georgia 1673 01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:30,247 to be an Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court. 1674 01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:31,885 The clerk will call the roll. 1675 01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:34,044 - MAN: Mr. Adams. - ADAMS: No. 1676 01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:36,968 - MAN: Mr. Akaka. - No. 1677 01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:39,820 - MAN: Mr. Baucus. - BAUCUS: No. 1678 01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:41,968 - MAN: Mr. Bentsen. - BENTSEN: No. 1679 01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:44,801 - MAN: Mr. Biden. - JOE: No. 1680 01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:47,089 - MAN: Mr. Bingaman. - BINGAMAN: No. 1681 01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:51,284 - MAN: Mr. Bond. - BOND: Aye. 1682 01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:10,761 Hey. 1683 01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:13,571 Welcome home. 1684 01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:16,480 Thank you. 1685 01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:18,845 Is this all... 1686 01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:20,645 For you? Yup. 1687 01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:23,606 All of it. 1688 01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:49,561 What's it say? 1689 01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:59,163 "Dear Professor Hill, 1690 01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,606 "For 25 years, I've been a cashier. 1691 01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:07,488 "All that time, my boss has treated me like his personal property. 1692 01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:10,890 "I never said anything, not even to my husband. 1693 01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:13,620 "It's been really scary and lonely, 1694 01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:19,011 "but watching you this week felt like I was watching someone standing up for me. 1695 01:44:21,480 --> 01:44:23,130 "So thank you. 1696 01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:26,481 "Sincerely, Elisa Nelson." 1697 01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:30,241 SHIRLEY: Wow. 1698 01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:53,531 (CRYING) 1699 01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:56,565 - MAN: Mr. Wellstone. - No. 1700 01:44:57,560 --> 01:44:59,005 - MAN: Mr. Wirth. - WIRTH: No. 1701 01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:02,371 - MAN: Mr. Wofford. - WOFFORD: No. 1702 01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:12,525 The yeas are 52, and the nays are 48. 1703 01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:15,008 The nomination of Clarence Thomas of Georgia 1704 01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:18,540 to be Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court 1705 01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:20,449 is hereby confirmed. 1706 01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:41,761 Clarence. 1707 01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:47,165 It's good news. 1708 01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:31,200 WOMAN: It was not too long ago 1709 01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:34,642 that a colleague of mine complimented me on my appearance 1710 01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:38,180 and then said that he was going to chase me around the House floor. 1711 01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:41,060 MALE REPORTER: The last time the federal government polled all its workers, 1712 01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:44,940 42% of the women reported they had been recently sexually harassed. 1713 01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:46,644 So, Hal, tell us what happens now. 1714 01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:51,688 Well, what happens now is we've got a political issue for the 1992 campaign. 1715 01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:54,180 Two percent may be good for milk, 1716 01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:56,620 but it ain't good for the United State Senate. 1717 01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:59,740 FEMALE REPORTER: What's different this year is the record number of women 1718 01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:02,286 running and winning up and down the ticket. 1719 01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:07,820 One factor there and elsewhere is backlash over the Senate's treatment of Anita Hill. 1720 01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:11,140 A woman's voice does not count in America today. 1721 01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:13,660 I have not been sexually harassed, 1722 01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:17,003 but I have been very obviously discriminated against. 1723 01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:19,220 Happened something like 20 years ago. 1724 01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:21,721 - But you're aware that women also... - Wait. Wait, Sam! 1725 01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:24,820 I remember every word of it. 1726 01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:27,700 If we stay mad about Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill, 1727 01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:29,928 we'll never remember our lines. 1728 01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:34,926 Oh... Please. 1729 01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:39,620 Sir, would you please state your name? 1730 01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:41,722 Long Dong Silver. 1731 01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:46,020 The rules of the old boys' club that prevailed in this hearing 1732 01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:47,580 are simply not going to work anymore. 1733 01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:50,604 MALE REPORTER: The Senate Judiciary Committee is getting diversity, 1734 01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:54,460 Carol Moseley Braun of Illinois and California's Dianne Feinstein 1735 01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:56,005 have been assigned to the panel. 1736 01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:59,980 Women for the first time in my lifetime have said 1737 01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:03,340 we are players in this society, and we intend to stay that way. 1738 01:48:03,440 --> 01:48:06,780 On Thursday, President Bush signed a long-awaited civil rights bill. 1739 01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:10,140 MALE REPORTER: ...which will make it much easier for women and minorities 1740 01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:11,660 to sue for discrimination... 1741 01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:13,620 ...and harassment on the job. 1742 01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:16,940 MAN: It does not have to be a physical touch or a specific threat. 1743 01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:21,660 Companies now produce videos explaining it can be any unwanted sexual advances. 1744 01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:25,220 A bill to combat violence against women was introduced in the US Senate. 1745 01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:29,540 You should have the civil rights protection as well as the criminal laws protection. 1746 01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:34,060 This has become a national teacher on the issue of sexual harassment. 1747 01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:37,180 I just think that you're getting caught up in the politics of it 1748 01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:40,940 when what you're forgetting is that there's a human being, a woman involved. 1749 01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:42,980 - There's a man, too. - MAN: Okay. 1750 01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:46,340 That'd be Clarence Thomas. His is the name that's been made mud of. 1751 01:48:46,440 --> 01:48:50,060 There's clearly a brass-knuckles, 1752 01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:53,420 totally unfair process of brutalizing Presidential appointees. 1753 01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:55,060 How much of an exploration 1754 01:48:55,160 --> 01:49:00,540 of not only Supreme Court candidates but all candidates for public office do you want? 1755 01:49:00,640 --> 01:49:02,768 Do you have anything further to say about it? 1756 01:49:03,320 --> 01:49:08,740 Senator, my reaction to this has been... 1757 01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:11,060 Over the last two weeks, has been one of horror. 1758 01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:13,020 I can't tell you what I've lived through. 1759 01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:15,060 I think I did the right thing. 1760 01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:21,645 I think I did what was proper and correct in this situation. 1761 01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:23,690 (CAMERAS CLICKING) 1762 01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:28,330 - Rasputin. - Rasputin. 1763 01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:30,166 Rasputin. 1764 01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:31,520 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 149079

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