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Suddenly one day, Neil or somebody
said "Ringo's gone on holiday"
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I felt two things.
I felt I wasn't playing great
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and the other three were really happy
and I was an outsider
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So I decided, fuck it, I'm leaving
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I went to see John, who was living in
my apartment in Montagu Square
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I knocked on the door and said "Hi"
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"I'm leaving the group because
I feel unloved and out of it
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"I'm not playing well
and you three are really close"
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And he said "I thought it was you three"
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Then I went over to Paul's, knocked
on his door and said the same thing:
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"I'm leaving the band. You three guys
are really close and I'm out of it"
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And he said
"I thought it was you three"
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So we had to reassure him
that we did think he was great
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You know, that's what it's like in life
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You never stop and say
"Hey, I think you're great"
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I don't think we'd ever done
any of that with Ringo
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and he felt insecure,
so we had to - and he left
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So we had to say
"You're great, man, you're the best"
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Then he said "Oh, thank you."
I think he was pleased to hear that
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I knew we were just
in a messed up stage, all of us
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It wasn't just me,
the whole thing was going down
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I came back into the studio and George
had had it decked out with flowers
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Flowers everywhere and John
had sent me telegrams saying:
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"You're the best rock drummer,
come on home!"
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I felt good about myself again
and we'd got through that little crisis
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It was great, and then
the White A! Bum really took off
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Like Yer B! Ues was great
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We all left the studio and went to a
little room, so there's no separation
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There was lots of group activity
going down. I loved the White A! Bum
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There was a lot more individual stuff
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For the first time I think people were
accepting that it was individual
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I remember having three studios
operating at the same time
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Paul was doing some overdubs in one,
John was doing something in another
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I was doing horns on something else
in another studio
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because maybe they'd set a release
date and time was running out
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Hey, I'm getting cramp
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If we do that again...
are we ready, we'll sing the song
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I wanna hear that... I wanna hear that
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OK, Robert?
- Take 29
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Reach for this one.
Were any of them any good?
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I'll just be singing to guide you...
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Can you turn it down in my cans a bit?
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The last mistake was entirely when I
just took my mind off it for a second
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A lot of the recordings would have a
basic idea, then a jam session to end it
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which sometimes
didn't sound too good
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But this is a fairly small criticism
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When they did the White A! Bum
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George Martin
Record Producer
I thought we should have made a very
good single album rather than a double
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I agree, we should have put it out
as two separate albums
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the White and the Whiter album
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A lot of information
on a double album
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What do you do when
you've got all them songs?
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You want to get rid of them
so you can do more songs
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There was a lot of ego in that band
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and a lot of songs should have been
elbowed or made into B sides
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I think it could have been made
a fantastically good album
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if it had been condensed a bit
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But a lot of people think it's still
the best album they made
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It's not my view but...
horses for courses
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You can always say that, you know.
'Perhaps' I'll go with, not 'definitely'
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I think it's fine. The fact that it's got so
much is one of the things that's cool
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It's varied stuff,
Rocky Raccoon, Piggies...
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Happiness is a Warm Gun,
that kind of stuff
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I think it's a fine album
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I'm not a great one for
'maybe it was too many of that... '
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It was great, it sold, it's the bloody
Beatles' White A! Bum, shut up!
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There was a little trauma
with a song called Revo! Ution
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I thought it was 'au courant'
as they say
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It was about what was going on at
the time and I wanted it to be a single
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I said "Put this out. We should say
something and this is what I want to say"
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And they said "No, it's too slow"
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Neil Aspinall
Head of Apple
The Apple boutique closed down
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I think we just got to the point where
we didn't want it any more
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We ended up selling
Marks and Spencer underwear
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Not the image we started with of Simon
and Marijke, all these colourful clothes
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Great sixties hippy gear
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Then to make it pay
we ended up selling...
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St Michael underwear...
and it wasn't the image we wanted
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Apple Shop Giveaway
London 31st July 1968
We came up with the idea
to give it all away
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and stop fucking about with
psychedelic clothes shops
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We just gave it to the people
who showed up on the day
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You could have one item each,
not take two, in the spirit of the thing
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Well, they cleaned out the shop
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Only one free dress
for each customer
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But I think personally
it was a good way to do it
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We weren't seriously in the rag trade.
It was "Look, it didn't work, so..."
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"That's it!"
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We went round the night before
we gave everything away
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and took what we felt we wanted
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I didn't go
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Derek Taylor
Apple Press Officer
I saw a half-acquaintance outside Apple
and said "Where are you going?"
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He said "I'm going to join the queue
to get some of those clothes"
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I thought that was awful
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I didn't want them to close the shop
and wrote an impassioned open letter:
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"Dear boys, you know, if you do this..."
and a lot of other hoo-ha
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because I dreaded to see
the thing falling apart
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Frost On Sunday
8th September 1968
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Beautiful... absolute poetry
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Welcome back to Part III with the
greatest tea-room orchestra in the world
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Are you in colour?
- No, black and white at the moment
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But as you can see, making their first
audience appearance for over a year
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Ladies and gentlemen, the Beatles!
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I was driving out to John's house after
John and Cynthia had got divorced
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I was just going out to say hello
to Cynthia and Julian
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I came up with these words in my mind
as if talking to Julian...
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Hey Jules, don't take it bad.Take a sad song and make it better
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So I got the first idea
on the way out there
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with this 'Hey Jules' as I thought
it was going to be called
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It seemed a bit of a mouthful
so I changed it to Jude
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I liked the song a lot and I played it
to John and Yoko when I'd finished it
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I actually had finished but I thought
there was a little more to go
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with the words: The movementyou need is on your shou! Der
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I'm playing it and I say to John
"I'll fix that" - he said "What?"
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I said "The movement you needis on your shou! Der...
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"I've used the word 'shoulder' once
and anyway it's stupid, I'll change it"
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He said "You won't,
that's the best line in the song"
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He said "I know what it means.
It's great"
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The great thing about John. I'd have
knocked it out, he'd say it's great
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I'd see it through his eyes
and go "Oh, OK"
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So that is the line now,
when I do that song
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That's the line when I think of John
and sometimes get a little emotional
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This was the period when everything
was going up and up and rosy
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Then suddenly it started to go down
like everything goes in a cycle
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Once it starts going down,
as anybody can tell you...
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when you get knocked to the ground,
they start kicking you
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The world was a problem
but we weren't
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That was the best thing
about the Beatles
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Until we started to break up
like White A! Bum and stuff
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then even the studio
got a bit tense
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It was evident on the White A! Bum
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I think it was evident in India
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when George and I stayed there and Paul
and Ringo left and it was a slow death
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It was like the wind-down
to a divorce
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A divorce usually doesn't just happen,
there's months and years of misery
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They were going through a very
revolutionary period at that time
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They were trying to think
of something new
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They actually had a good idea which
I thought was well worth working on
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They wanted to write an album
completely and rehearse it
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then perform it in front of a large
audience, a live album of new material
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We started rehearsing at Twickenham
Film Studio and I went with them
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Twickenham Film Studios
London
I'm not sure whether everybody was
behind the idea of going to Twickenham
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They decided to film whatever
they were doing
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and they were going to start
making a new album
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The original idea was
that you'd see the Beatles
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rehearsing, jamming, making up stuff
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getting their act together and then
finally we'd perform somewhere
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as the big end of show concert
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Michael Lindsay-Hogg
was going to direct it
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This should be built
like a film set
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so you can glide all over the place
on tracks with your cameras
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Go places that TV cameras don't go
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You can come down from that roof
on one long shot, down on a thing
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Slowly like a chair-lift
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Right down into Ringo's face
on the one shot from right back there
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Have all sorts of cranes and lifts
for your cameras to float around us
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Just all that flowing movement
and then the songs
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Just stay with us and that will create your
sets, with cameras hanging all over
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I thought, it's a new year
and we've got a new approach
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but it soon became apparent
that it wasn't anything new
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It was just going
to be painful again
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The days were long
and they could get boring
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Twickenham wasn't conducive to a great
atmosphere. We were just in a big barn
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I'd just spent six months
producing a Jackie Lomax album
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and hanging out with Bob Dylan and The
Band in Woodstock, having a great time
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For me to come back
into the winter of discontent
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with the Beatles in Twickenham
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it was very unhealthy and unhappy
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It was just a dreadful feeling,
and being filmed all the time like that
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I just wanted them to go away... and
we'd be there at 8.00 in the morning
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You couldn't make music at 8.00
in the morning in a strange place
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with people filming you
and coloured lights
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As everybody knows,
we never had much privacy
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They were filming us rehearsing
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There was a bit of a row going on
between Paul and I
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You can see it where he's saying
"Well, don't play this", or something
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I'm saying "You know I'll play what you
want, or I won't play if you don't want
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"Just make up your mind."
That kind of stuff was going on
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They were filming and recording us
having a row. It was terrible
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But it's complicated in the bit...
- It's not complicated
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I'll play the chords if you like
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I'm trying to help you,
but I always hear myself annoying you
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OK, look, look,
I'm not trying to say that
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You're doing this as though
I'm trying to say...
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And what we said the other day,
you know, I'm not trying to get you
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I really am trying to just say...
Iook, lads, the band...
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Shall we try it like this?
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It's funny how it only occurs...
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It's like, should we play guitar
all the way through Hey Jude...
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I don't mind, I'll play whatever
you want me to play
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or I won't play at all
if you don't want me to play
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What it is that pleases you, I'll do it
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I thought, I'm quite capable of being
relatively happy on my own
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I'm not able to be happy in this situation,
I'm getting out of here
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The whole pressure of it
finally got to us
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So like people do when they're together,
they start picking on each other
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It was "You got the tambourine wrong
so my life's a misery." It became petty
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But the manifestations were on each
other as we were the only ones we had
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It was wait a minute, George has
left and this isn't good enough
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I'm not sure what happened. Maybe Neil
or one of the people looking after us
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would probably ring George and say
"They're sorry, it was a mistake"
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I remember being called
to a meeting in Elstead in Surrey
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It was Ringo's house that he'd
bought from Peter Sellers
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It was decided it would be better
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if we got back together
and finished the record
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Also, Twickenham Studio was very cold
and not a nice atmosphere
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so we abandoned that and went to
the Savile Row recording studio
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In the end we recorded in the
Apple studios in Savile Row
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There was a guy called Magic Alex,
who was a great friend of John's
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John thought he was the bee's knees
because he gave John electronic toys
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He said EMI was no good and he could
build a better studio. Well, he didn't
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Hello. I'm Alexis from
Apple Electronics
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I would like to say hello to all
my brothers around the world
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and to all the girls and all the
electronic people around the world
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And that is Apple Electronics
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When we finally got him
to do a recording studio...
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We had a 16-track studio and we
walked in there, it was chaos
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We had to rip it all out
and start again
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He had 16 little speakers
all around the room
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There wasn't anything he did - except
a toilet with a radio in it or something
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So we just took the same portable
equipment in there
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But the studio itself,
the actual room to play in there
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was much cosier
and much more at home
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Apple Recording Studio
Savile Row London
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I think everyone was getting
a little tired of us by then
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because we were taking a long time
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and there were many
heated discussions
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Billy Preston was a great help,
a very good keyboard guy
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His work on Get Back alone
justified him being there
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He was an amiable fellow, very nice
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He was a kind of emollient, if you like
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He helped to lubricate
the friction that had been there
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It's interesting to see how people
behave nicely when you bring a guest in
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They don't want everybody
to know they're so bitchy
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This happened back
in the White A! Bum
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when I brought Eric Clapton in to play
on Whi!e My Guitar Gent!y Weeps
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Suddenly everybody's
on their best behaviour
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So I put a message out
to find if Billy was in town
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and told him to come into Savile Row,
which he did
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Straight away there was 100%
improvement in the vibe in the room
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Everybody was happier also to have
somebody else playing in the band
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Every number's got a piano part
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Normally we overdub it...
but this time we want to do it live
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We were working on a good track
and that always excited us
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His part was also part of it
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Suddenly, when we were working
on something good
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the bullshit went out of the window
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We got back down to doing
what we did really, really well
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I think it works OK
with just the two verses...
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Sweet Loretta Martin, the first verse
- Just have two for now
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I'll sing it and shout where I think it
should go. If you disagree, I'll change it
251
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Maybe if we had an intro,
a verse and a chorus...
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To me the Beatles were always
a great little band
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Nothing more, nothing less,
for all our success
254
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When we sat down to play, we played
good from the very beginning
255
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From when we first got Ringo
into the band, and before
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But when we first got Ringo, the band
really gelled. We played good!
257
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We've never had too many of those
times where it's just not working
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We had them like any other band
but for a great little rock'n'roll band -
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we could play any little blues or
rock'n'roll thing - and it seemed to work
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The original idea to rehearse
all these new songs
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and then make an album in a live show
never really happened
262
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because the album became
us in the studio
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As we rehearsed the songs,
they were recorded
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They were talking about doing
a concert on a boat
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or in an amphitheatre in Greece
266
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or maybe at the Roundhouse
in London
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There were lots of ideas about where
they should maybe do a concert
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and nothing was ever really agreed
269
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What do we want to do?
- I'll tell you what
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We're still rehearsing
and we'll get it together
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So then you must collect...
272
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We'll all collect our thoughts
on what we want
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You still expect us to be on the chimney
with a lot of people or something like that
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Or even a stage at the Saville
or anything
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We won't worry about that
so don't give us that one
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'Expecting' is not a word we use
any more... 'thinking about'
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'Praying'
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What about the move tomorrow,
do you want to...
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No, let's decide on that a bit later,
let's keep off that
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We're getting into too diverse...
we'll do the numbers, we're the band
281
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Whatever, I'll do it...
if we've got to go on the roof
282
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But I mean... I don't want to go
283
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I would like to
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I'd like to go on the roof
- It diverts people
285
00:41:19,690 --> 00:41:23,285
That's all right.
Anyway, we won't discuss it
286
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I want to record them as tracks
and I want to do 14 numbers
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Any time is paradise
when I'm with you
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That was looking for
an end to the film
289
00:41:39,944 --> 00:41:43,937
and it was "How are we going to finish,
there's not going to be a big concert"
290
00:41:44,081 --> 00:41:49,576
By then it was looking like... can we
do this, finish in two weeks' time?
291
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Then it was suggested
that we go up on the roof
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and do a concert there,
then we could all go home
293
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30th January 1969
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And in the end it started to filter up
from our roadie, Mal
295
00:44:54,105 --> 00:44:57,302
who crept in, trying to keep out
of the camera:
296
00:44:57,441 --> 00:45:02,105
"Police are complaining. You've got to
stop." We said "We're not stopping"
297
00:45:02,246 --> 00:45:05,613
He said "The police are
going to arrest you"
298
00:45:05,716 --> 00:45:09,550
"Good end to the film.
Let 'em do it. Great!"
299
00:45:10,054 --> 00:45:15,082
We thought that's an end:
"Beatles busted on rooftop gig"
300
00:45:15,493 --> 00:45:20,123
The thing on the roof that always
I feel let down about were the police
301
00:45:20,464 --> 00:45:26,460
Someone called the police and I was
playing away and I thought, oh great!
302
00:45:26,771 --> 00:45:31,799
I wanted the cops to drag me off -
"Get off those drums!"
303
00:45:31,909 --> 00:45:34,844
We were being filmed and it would
have been really great
304
00:45:34,945 --> 00:45:40,042
Well, they didn't. They just bumbled in:
"You've got to turn that sound down"
305
00:45:40,317 --> 00:45:42,979
It could have been fabulous
306
00:48:14,872 --> 00:48:18,899
By the time we got to Let It Be
we couldn't play the game any more
307
00:48:19,043 --> 00:48:23,241
It had come to the point where it
was no longer creating magic
308
00:48:23,347 --> 00:48:27,875
and the camera in the room with us made
us aware that it was phoney situation
309
00:48:28,385 --> 00:48:31,548
In fact what happened was
when we got in there
310
00:48:31,689 --> 00:48:34,487
we showed how the break-up
of a group works
311
00:48:34,592 --> 00:48:38,119
We didn't realise we were actually
breaking up as it was happening
312
00:48:39,363 --> 00:48:42,389
Just the same as it was before
313
00:48:42,533 --> 00:48:46,128
The year before when
we were last in the studio
314
00:48:46,503 --> 00:48:50,269
There was a lot of... kind of trivia
315
00:48:50,407 --> 00:48:53,672
and games that were being played
316
00:48:54,245 --> 00:48:59,774
I think it shows as an absolute fact
that we were going different places
317
00:49:00,384 --> 00:49:04,787
I've mentioned it before, the energy
for the Beatles was waning
318
00:49:04,922 --> 00:49:10,360
We put in 1000%
but it was dwindling now
319
00:49:10,494 --> 00:49:14,555
"Oh dear, do we have to turn up?"
"Do we have to do that thing again!"
320
00:49:14,665 --> 00:49:17,532
"I want to do this
and John wants to do that"
321
00:49:17,635 --> 00:49:21,469
And George was off and people
were... you know, we had families
322
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:25,008
I remember thinking
of it like army buddies
323
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:28,135
One of the songs we used to love
in the past was Wedding Be!!s
324
00:49:28,279 --> 00:49:32,113
Those wedding bells are breakingup that o! D gang of mine...
325
00:49:32,249 --> 00:49:35,912
and this idea that you'd been
army buddies but one day...
326
00:49:36,053 --> 00:49:40,513
you kiss the army goodbye and get
married and act like normal people
327
00:49:40,624 --> 00:49:43,957
It was like that for the Beatles,
we always knew that day had to come
328
00:53:46,203 --> 00:53:48,797
London, weepy time down south
329
00:53:49,006 --> 00:53:51,668
The last bachelor Beatle
was no longer a bachelor
330
00:53:51,808 --> 00:53:55,266
12th March 1969
Paul McCartney married
New Yorker Linda Eastman
331
00:53:55,412 --> 00:53:59,143
at Marylebone Registrar's office
332
00:53:59,283 --> 00:54:02,081
Paul's new step-daughter Heather
333
00:54:02,185 --> 00:54:05,484
was one of the shrieking,
sobbing, devoted fans
334
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:09,081
who surged round the newly-weds
as they made for their car
335
00:54:11,628 --> 00:54:15,758
London bobbies and photographers
tangled with tear-stained teenagers
336
00:54:15,933 --> 00:54:20,893
bidding farewell to the bachelordom of
the Beatle who resisted marriage so long
337
00:54:27,844 --> 00:54:30,677
At last the new threesome
found sanctuary in their car
338
00:54:30,814 --> 00:54:36,275
But clearly Paul's plan for a quiet
wedding had gone drastically wrong
339
00:54:36,587 --> 00:54:40,182
Exit the McCartneys,
a very popular group
340
00:54:44,127 --> 00:54:47,028
And they chose Paul's
wedding day to bust me
341
00:54:47,798 --> 00:54:50,028
George was in my office
342
00:54:50,167 --> 00:54:56,629
Pattie rang, saying that Sgt Pilcher,
if that was his name...
343
00:54:59,443 --> 00:55:03,277
was swarming all over
the house in Esher
344
00:55:03,413 --> 00:55:08,180
George said to me "What should I do?
What should I tell Pattie?"
345
00:55:08,485 --> 00:55:14,151
I said just tell them where the stuff is
because they'll find it anyway
346
00:55:14,358 --> 00:55:16,690
Save yourself a lot of hassle
347
00:55:16,793 --> 00:55:22,789
He said he had a bit of grass and maybe
some hash in a box on the mantelpiece
348
00:55:22,933 --> 00:55:27,836
So he rang Pattie and told her
to tell them where it was
349
00:55:27,971 --> 00:55:32,305
By which time they had found
a chunk this big
350
00:55:32,442 --> 00:55:34,740
in a boot in his wardrobe
351
00:55:35,746 --> 00:55:42,049
Sgt Pilcher was gaining great
notoriety by busting pop stars
352
00:55:42,152 --> 00:55:46,384
such as George, Mick, Keith and John -
always was the same cop
353
00:55:46,523 --> 00:55:49,515
Nobody realised,
nobody put two and two together
354
00:55:50,394 --> 00:55:56,026
There was a kind of
social pecking order
355
00:55:56,233 --> 00:55:59,566
that was in the pop world
356
00:55:59,870 --> 00:56:02,236
The drug squad decided
to go round
357
00:56:02,372 --> 00:56:05,000
and this fellow thought
he was Oliver Cromwell
358
00:56:05,108 --> 00:56:10,546
He decided to go round
and clean up what was going on
359
00:56:10,681 --> 00:56:13,275
They busted Donovan first
360
00:56:13,383 --> 00:56:17,581
Anybody who was in England
at that time will remember
361
00:56:17,721 --> 00:56:20,781
Then they bust the Rolling Stones
and they worked their way up
362
00:56:20,924 --> 00:56:24,155
They they busted
John and Yoko and me
363
00:56:24,795 --> 00:56:28,925
Sgt Pilcher's successful career
with the drug squad was short-lived
364
00:56:29,032 --> 00:56:31,262
He was later sent
to prison for perjury
365
00:56:31,401 --> 00:56:35,895
Sentencing Pilcher to 4 years in prison,
Mr Justice Melford Stevenson said:
366
00:56:51,588 --> 00:56:54,716
But now my life has changed
in oh so many ways
367
00:56:59,563 --> 00:57:02,464
We wanted to get married
on the cross-Channel ferry
368
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:05,534
That was the romantic part -
when we went to Southampton
369
00:57:05,635 --> 00:57:10,072
She couldn't get on because she wasn't
English and couldn't get a day visa
370
00:57:10,207 --> 00:57:13,870
Anyway you can't get married. The
Captain's not allowed to do it any more
371
00:57:14,010 --> 00:57:18,276
We called Peter Brown from Paris. "We
want to get married, where can we go?"
372
00:57:18,415 --> 00:57:21,077
He said "Gibraltar's the only place"
373
00:57:21,184 --> 00:57:23,516
So "OK, let's go"
and it was beautiful
374
00:59:46,329 --> 00:59:49,662
When John hooked up with Yoko
so intensely
375
00:59:49,799 --> 00:59:54,634
it was obvious there could be
no looking back after that
376
00:59:54,771 --> 00:59:59,834
I always felt he had to clear the decks
of us in order to give her enough attention
377
01:00:00,644 --> 01:00:05,946
It takes a lot to live with four people
for years and years, which is what we did
378
01:00:06,082 --> 01:00:09,449
We'd call each other every name
under the sun
379
01:00:09,552 --> 01:00:13,283
We'd got to blows, we'd been
through the whole damn show
380
01:00:13,623 --> 01:00:16,091
We knew where we were at,
we still do
381
01:00:16,192 --> 01:00:21,562
We've been through the mill together
for more than ten years
382
01:00:21,665 --> 01:00:25,658
We've been through our therapy
together many times, you know
383
01:00:26,369 --> 01:00:31,170
On a lot of days, even with all the
craziness, it really worked still
384
01:00:31,708 --> 01:00:35,610
Instead of working every day,
it worked two days a month
385
01:00:35,712 --> 01:00:38,909
There were still good days
386
01:00:39,049 --> 01:00:41,916
We were still really close friends
387
01:00:42,052 --> 01:00:44,486
then it would split off again
into some madness
388
01:00:44,921 --> 01:00:48,516
It was quite obvious
that the Beatles became...
389
01:00:48,625 --> 01:00:51,788
The thing that it started out being...
390
01:00:52,495 --> 01:00:56,226
gave us a vehicle
to be able to do so much
391
01:00:56,366 --> 01:01:00,496
when we were younger,
and we grew right through that
392
01:01:00,637 --> 01:01:05,165
But it got to a point where it was stifling
us, there was too much restriction
393
01:01:05,275 --> 01:01:07,505
It had to self-destruct
394
01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:14,742
It's easy for people to say about Apple
and the Beatles "Why didn't you?"
395
01:01:14,884 --> 01:01:18,980
You sit there with millions of dollars
and try and work it out
396
01:01:19,122 --> 01:01:22,114
It's so easy afterwards
to say "Why didn't you?"
397
01:01:22,392 --> 01:01:25,987
With Apple we were great creators
and we could do all of that
398
01:01:26,129 --> 01:01:30,065
but nobody had half an idea
about a budget
399
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,897
So we were spending more
than we were earning
400
01:01:34,104 --> 01:01:38,165
There was nobody managing Apple
401
01:01:38,274 --> 01:01:41,243
It was wasting away all this money
402
01:01:41,344 --> 01:01:46,338
Nobody had any ability
to be a business manager
403
01:01:46,816 --> 01:01:50,343
So it was a question
of who was going to do it
404
01:01:50,487 --> 01:01:53,285
I was doing it but only
on the basis
405
01:01:53,390 --> 01:01:58,418
that I'll do it until you find somebody
you want to do it. Because I didn't
406
01:01:58,561 --> 01:02:03,726
That's why somebody like Allen Klein
407
01:02:03,833 --> 01:02:09,237
had the opportunity to say he could do
it, but so did a lot of other people
408
01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:12,865
Klein had been managing
the Rolling Stones...
409
01:02:13,009 --> 01:02:17,503
and I believe Donovan...
and John had met him
410
01:02:17,647 --> 01:02:20,309
He came in one day and said:
411
01:02:20,717 --> 01:02:25,848
"I'm going to get Klein to manage me,
and that's what's happening"
412
01:02:26,322 --> 01:02:29,120
And Allen was... a human being
413
01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:31,884
the same as Brian was a human being
414
01:02:31,995 --> 01:02:35,624
It was the same thing with Brian
in the early days, it was assessment
415
01:02:35,765 --> 01:02:41,067
I make a lot of mistakes character-wise
but now and then I make a good one
416
01:02:42,439 --> 01:02:48,469
The alternative to Klein
was possibly Lee Eastman
417
01:02:48,611 --> 01:02:51,944
but I'm not at all sure
418
01:02:52,082 --> 01:02:56,075
that Paul wanted Lee Eastman
to be a manager
419
01:02:56,953 --> 01:03:00,889
in the sense that Brian Epstein
had been a manager
420
01:03:00,990 --> 01:03:04,983
or Allen Klein to be a manager like
Brian Epstein had been a manager
421
01:03:05,361 --> 01:03:09,559
I put forward Lee Eastman,
Linda's dad
422
01:03:09,666 --> 01:03:13,261
as a possible sort of lawyer
and possibly someone to do it
423
01:03:13,403 --> 01:03:19,035
But they said no, he would be too
biased for you and against us
424
01:03:19,843 --> 01:03:22,835
Oh yeah, we had great
arguments with Paul
425
01:03:23,246 --> 01:03:29,549
We felt the three of us have gone
this way, why don't you?
426
01:03:30,053 --> 01:03:33,887
So there it was, and it was
a three-to-one situation
427
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:38,893
In the Beatles, if any one
doesn't agree with the plan
428
01:03:38,995 --> 01:03:42,158
it was always vetoed,
it was very democratic that way
429
01:03:42,265 --> 01:03:45,029
So the three-to-one thing
was very awkward
430
01:03:46,236 --> 01:03:48,431
Things would happen like...
431
01:03:48,571 --> 01:03:54,100
at Olympic Studio one evening we were
supposed to be doing Abbey Road
432
01:03:54,244 --> 01:03:59,079
and we all showed up at the studio
ready to record
433
01:03:59,215 --> 01:04:03,584
and Allen Klein showed up as part of
the party with his henchman
434
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,781
They said "You've got to sign a contract
for Klein to take to his Board"
435
01:04:07,924 --> 01:04:11,155
I said "It's Friday night,
he doesn't work on a Saturday
436
01:04:11,294 --> 01:04:16,061
"Anyway, Allen Klein's a law unto
himself, he doesn't have to report
437
01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:19,794
"We can easily do this on Monday.
Let's do our session now
438
01:04:19,936 --> 01:04:24,703
"You're not going to push me into this."
They said "You're stalling"
439
01:04:25,308 --> 01:04:28,709
They said "He wants 20%"
440
01:04:28,845 --> 01:04:32,474
I said "Tell him he can have 15%."
They said "You're stalling"
441
01:04:32,615 --> 01:04:35,482
I said "No, I'm working for us.
We're a big act"
442
01:04:35,585 --> 01:04:39,578
My exact words: "We're a big act,
the Beatles. He'll take 15%"
443
01:04:39,722 --> 01:04:43,180
I think they were so intoxicated
with him that they said:
444
01:04:43,326 --> 01:04:47,262
"He must have 20% and he's got
to report to his Board tomorrow
445
01:04:47,397 --> 01:04:49,194
"Sign now or never"
446
01:04:49,332 --> 01:04:51,596
I said "Right, that's it.
I'm not signing now"
447
01:04:51,734 --> 01:04:55,864
There was a big argument and they
all went, leaving me at the studio
448
01:05:00,043 --> 01:05:03,308
What changed at Apple after
he arrived? Everything!
449
01:05:03,813 --> 01:05:07,010
It was a completely different situation
450
01:05:07,183 --> 01:05:11,643
First and foremost, Paul wasn't there
451
01:05:15,725 --> 01:05:21,322
Let It Be was such an unhappy record,
even though it has some great songs
452
01:05:21,431 --> 01:05:24,923
and I really thought
that was the end of the Beatles
453
01:05:25,034 --> 01:05:27,059
I thought, what a shame
to go out like this
454
01:05:27,203 --> 01:05:32,664
But Paul rang. "We're making another
record, would you produce it?"
455
01:05:32,809 --> 01:05:37,906
My immediate answer was "Only if you
let me produce it the way we used to"
456
01:05:38,047 --> 01:05:42,450
"We want to do that." "John included?"
He said "Yes, honestly"
457
01:05:42,552 --> 01:05:46,682
So I said "If you really want that,
let's get together again"
458
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:52,193
And it was a very happy record -
everybody knew it was to be the last
459
01:05:52,829 --> 01:05:58,597
I think the deal was that
through Let It Be
460
01:05:58,735 --> 01:06:04,469
I left and we got back just
to finish it, to make it tidy
461
01:06:04,607 --> 01:06:09,943
Then everybody decided we ought
to do one better album
462
01:06:10,513 --> 01:06:14,108
I think it shows on the record
463
01:06:14,250 --> 01:06:17,378
that when we were excited
the track's exciting
464
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:21,479
It really all comes together
465
01:06:21,591 --> 01:06:26,927
It doesn't matter what we're going
through individually on the bullshit level
466
01:06:27,030 --> 01:06:30,124
When it gets to the music
467
01:06:30,233 --> 01:06:33,896
you can see that it's really cool,
we'd all put in 1000%
468
01:09:29,345 --> 01:09:34,442
Nobody was sure it was going to be
the last one, but everybody felt it was
469
01:09:34,851 --> 01:09:38,685
The Beatles had gone through so much,
and it was a long time
470
01:09:38,788 --> 01:09:42,952
They'd been incarcerated together
for nearly a decade
471
01:09:43,192 --> 01:09:47,219
It was a very happy album.
Everybody worked frightfully well
472
01:09:47,363 --> 01:09:50,423
And that's why I'm very fond of it
473
01:09:51,567 --> 01:09:55,560
There was always a possibility
that we could have carried on
474
01:09:57,773 --> 01:10:00,640
We weren't sitting in the studio
saying "OK, this is it
475
01:10:00,743 --> 01:10:05,442
"Last record, last track, last take"
476
01:10:06,249 --> 01:10:12,245
But when we'd finished Abbey Road
the game was up, we all accepted that
477
01:12:10,673 --> 01:12:12,868
It was magical
478
01:12:14,210 --> 01:12:19,204
There were some really loving,
caring moments between four people
479
01:12:21,717 --> 01:12:24,709
A hotel room here and there
480
01:12:26,322 --> 01:12:30,782
A really amazing closeness, just...
481
01:12:33,929 --> 01:12:39,196
four guys who really loved each other.
It was pretty sensational
482
01:12:42,304 --> 01:12:46,638
They gave their money
and they gave their screams
483
01:12:46,776 --> 01:12:51,110
but the Beatles
gave their nervous systems
484
01:12:51,947 --> 01:12:56,509
which is a much more difficult
thing to give
485
01:12:57,953 --> 01:13:00,945
I'm really glad that most
of the songs
486
01:13:01,090 --> 01:13:04,890
dealt with love, peace,
understanding
487
01:13:05,294 --> 01:13:11,233
Hardly any said "Go on kids, tell
them to sod off, leave your parents"
488
01:13:11,367 --> 01:13:15,064
It's all very "all you need is love"
or John's "give peace a chance"
489
01:13:15,204 --> 01:13:17,399
There was a very good
spirit behind it all
490
01:13:19,041 --> 01:13:21,839
It's just natural.
It's not a great disaster
491
01:13:21,944 --> 01:13:27,473
People talk as if it's the end of the earth.
It's only a rock group that split up
492
01:13:27,583 --> 01:13:30,848
You have all the old records there
if you want to reminisce
493
01:13:34,924 --> 01:13:37,392
22nd August 1969
494
01:14:11,694 --> 01:14:15,960
That's what they ask you. On tours
round the world and press conferences:
495
01:14:16,065 --> 01:14:19,626
"Getting the Beatles back together?"
You say "What are you talking about?"
496
01:14:19,769 --> 01:14:24,502
They say "How about Julian?" I feel
sorry for him in the middle of all that
497
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,107
Or Sean or somebody
498
01:14:27,076 --> 01:14:30,534
Well, let me ask you this way:
"Are you getting back together?" No!
499
01:14:30,679 --> 01:14:35,446
And yet with Free as a Bird
we somehow did, yeah
500
01:21:34,236 --> 01:21:36,830
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