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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,569 --> 00:00:02,570 3, 2... 2 00:00:02,603 --> 00:00:04,672 [show theme music] 3 00:00:04,705 --> 00:00:07,275 Here with us today is supervisory special agent 4 00:00:07,308 --> 00:00:10,411 David Rossi, renowned author and co-founder 5 00:00:10,444 --> 00:00:13,547 of the FBI's famed behavioral analysis unit. 6 00:00:13,581 --> 00:00:16,050 His latest book, "understanding evil," 7 00:00:16,084 --> 00:00:19,520 Is an in-depth portrait of the serial killer Tommy Yates. 8 00:00:19,553 --> 00:00:20,754 Thanks for joining us, agent Rossi. 9 00:00:20,788 --> 00:00:22,056 My pleasure, Brian. 10 00:00:22,090 --> 00:00:23,691 Of the hundreds of murderers 11 00:00:23,724 --> 00:00:24,825 that you've encountered, 12 00:00:24,858 --> 00:00:26,794 why did you choose to write about Yates? 13 00:00:26,827 --> 00:00:29,263 With him it was personal. 14 00:00:29,297 --> 00:00:31,165 Well, every year on your birthday, 15 00:00:31,199 --> 00:00:32,633 you would visit Yates in prison, 16 00:00:32,666 --> 00:00:34,535 and he'd give you the location of a body 17 00:00:34,568 --> 00:00:36,204 of one of his victims. 18 00:00:36,237 --> 00:00:37,405 Why is that? 19 00:00:37,438 --> 00:00:40,341 Tommy Yates was in an 8-by-6-foot cell. 20 00:00:40,374 --> 00:00:44,112 Every second of his life was dictated. 21 00:00:44,145 --> 00:00:45,713 So it was a game to him. 22 00:00:45,746 --> 00:00:47,681 It was. And I played along 23 00:00:47,715 --> 00:00:49,083 in order to provide closure 24 00:00:49,117 --> 00:00:50,584 to those families. 25 00:00:50,618 --> 00:00:52,253 It can't be easy to find common ground 26 00:00:52,286 --> 00:00:54,088 with a sadistic murderer. 27 00:00:54,122 --> 00:00:55,323 How did you do that? 28 00:00:55,356 --> 00:00:56,724 Oh, good! We didn't miss it. 29 00:00:56,757 --> 00:00:58,126 Garcia: Nope, just started. 30 00:00:58,159 --> 00:00:59,260 Rossi: You have to show respect to... 31 00:00:59,293 --> 00:01:00,828 We're up to our eyeballs in cases. 32 00:01:00,861 --> 00:01:02,563 The guy never takes a vacation. 33 00:01:02,596 --> 00:01:04,698 I want to know when he'd find the time 34 00:01:04,732 --> 00:01:05,933 to write another book. 35 00:01:05,966 --> 00:01:09,737 Someone must have put his mandatory 6 weeks off to good use. 36 00:01:09,770 --> 00:01:11,239 Anybody heard from Tara? 37 00:01:11,272 --> 00:01:12,806 Oh, she's finishing up with Floyd Ferell. 38 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,208 She'll be back in D.C. Soon. 39 00:01:14,242 --> 00:01:15,409 I'm dvring this for her and Reid. 40 00:01:15,443 --> 00:01:16,777 They didn't want to miss it either. 41 00:01:16,810 --> 00:01:19,347 Oh, I hope his first night teaching goes well. 42 00:01:19,380 --> 00:01:21,515 He was a little nervous about it. 43 00:01:21,549 --> 00:01:23,851 Brian: This book feels like it's part memoir, 44 00:01:23,884 --> 00:01:27,121 more so than your others. Is that only because of Yates? 45 00:01:27,155 --> 00:01:30,424 Not necessarily. Some of it was necessity. 46 00:01:30,458 --> 00:01:32,460 How so? 47 00:01:32,493 --> 00:01:33,561 Well, I've spent my entire career 48 00:01:33,594 --> 00:01:35,129 exploring other people's minds, 49 00:01:35,163 --> 00:01:37,298 but very little time exploring my own. 50 00:01:37,331 --> 00:01:39,533 And what did you find? 51 00:01:39,567 --> 00:01:41,802 That obsession is not necessarily 52 00:01:41,835 --> 00:01:45,239 a path traveled only by serial killers. 53 00:01:45,273 --> 00:01:46,507 How come? 54 00:01:46,540 --> 00:01:48,809 Well, profilers and serial killers 55 00:01:48,842 --> 00:01:52,180 overlap in more ways than I would have imagined. 56 00:01:52,213 --> 00:01:54,148 We're both mission-oriented 57 00:01:54,182 --> 00:01:57,151 and driven by need-based desires. 58 00:01:57,185 --> 00:01:59,920 And the key difference is that while they 59 00:01:59,953 --> 00:02:03,191 take lives, we do our best to preserve them, 60 00:02:03,224 --> 00:02:05,326 sorry to interrupt, but we have breaking news. 61 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:08,229 Earlier tonight was a third in what Miami police 62 00:02:08,262 --> 00:02:11,199 are calling a string of robbery-murders. 63 00:02:11,232 --> 00:02:15,236 It started last week near coral gables university. 64 00:02:15,269 --> 00:02:17,505 But I should warn you is, what you're about to see 65 00:02:17,538 --> 00:02:19,373 could be considered graphic. 66 00:02:19,407 --> 00:02:23,244 [indistinct chatter, sirens] 67 00:02:23,277 --> 00:02:26,280 Officer: Keep it blocked off. Please, ma'am. 68 00:02:26,314 --> 00:02:28,216 Brian: Agent Rossi, would you care to comment? 69 00:02:28,249 --> 00:02:31,485 I would like to talk to Miami police before doing so. 70 00:02:31,519 --> 00:02:33,554 I understand. Again, the book is 71 00:02:33,587 --> 00:02:35,723 [cell phone vibrates] "understanding evil." 72 00:02:35,756 --> 00:02:37,358 She was parked when the unsub came up and shot her. 73 00:02:37,391 --> 00:02:38,826 She might not have even seen him coming. 74 00:02:38,859 --> 00:02:40,661 Locals just sent over the details. 75 00:02:40,694 --> 00:02:42,496 They believe it's a series of robbery-homicides, 76 00:02:42,530 --> 00:02:44,832 but he only robbed the first victim. 77 00:02:44,865 --> 00:02:47,268 Robbery could be a forensic countermeasure 78 00:02:47,301 --> 00:02:49,603 to try and keep the cops from tying the cases together. 79 00:02:49,637 --> 00:02:52,306 A big city like Miami, how do we even know they're related? 80 00:02:52,340 --> 00:02:55,209 Ballistics match. He used a .44-caliber. 81 00:02:55,243 --> 00:02:57,345 Bold choice. That's a big gun. 82 00:02:57,378 --> 00:02:59,547 Then there's the victims-- Maggie Swanson, 83 00:02:59,580 --> 00:03:02,816 Katherine Shelton, and now Jeanette Clauson. 84 00:03:02,850 --> 00:03:05,353 Each shot once in the heart, they died instantly. 85 00:03:05,386 --> 00:03:08,756 He's got a type. And the unsub could be a scorned lover. 86 00:03:08,789 --> 00:03:12,326 We're going to meet Dave in Miami. Wheels up in 10. 87 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,835 That place was cool, right? 88 00:03:21,869 --> 00:03:23,271 Yeah. 89 00:03:23,304 --> 00:03:25,773 I took my sister there once. 90 00:03:25,806 --> 00:03:27,908 She was visiting from Seattle. 91 00:03:27,941 --> 00:03:29,777 We had a really good time. 92 00:03:29,810 --> 00:03:33,247 You took me to the same place you took your sister? 93 00:03:33,281 --> 00:03:35,916 Well, uh, yeah, but, 94 00:03:35,949 --> 00:03:40,321 I mean--I know how that sounds. 95 00:03:40,354 --> 00:03:42,590 Look, I know this great pub 96 00:03:42,623 --> 00:03:44,325 not too far from here. 97 00:03:44,358 --> 00:03:47,528 Maybe next time instead of just dinner? 98 00:03:47,561 --> 00:03:50,298 Um, I should go. 99 00:03:50,331 --> 00:03:54,302 Uh, it's only 9:30. 100 00:03:54,335 --> 00:03:56,470 Yeah, I'm sorry. I just have an early morning. 101 00:03:56,504 --> 00:03:58,372 I'm sure you do, too. 102 00:03:58,406 --> 00:04:01,342 Yeah. Do you need a ride? 103 00:04:01,375 --> 00:04:05,779 Thanks. I would, but my car is just down the street. 104 00:04:05,813 --> 00:04:09,383 Well, why don't you text me, then, when you get home. 105 00:04:09,417 --> 00:04:10,884 So I know you're safe. 106 00:04:10,918 --> 00:04:11,952 OK? 107 00:04:11,985 --> 00:04:14,455 Yeah, OK. 108 00:04:17,024 --> 00:04:20,361 Uh--it was nice to meet you, Steven. 109 00:04:20,394 --> 00:04:21,495 Good night. 110 00:04:49,056 --> 00:04:51,425 [line ringing] 111 00:04:51,459 --> 00:04:52,426 Woman: Hello. 112 00:04:52,460 --> 00:04:53,494 Hey, it's me. 113 00:04:53,527 --> 00:04:54,495 How'd it go? 114 00:04:54,528 --> 00:04:55,763 Yeah, I mean, it started off OK, 115 00:04:55,796 --> 00:04:57,998 but, I don't know, it just got weird. 116 00:04:58,031 --> 00:04:59,900 I got this vibe from him. 117 00:04:59,933 --> 00:05:01,335 [taps on window] 118 00:05:01,369 --> 00:05:02,503 You think you can just blow me off? 119 00:05:02,536 --> 00:05:03,737 Woman on phone: Who is that? 120 00:05:03,771 --> 00:05:05,005 Steven, it's not like that. 121 00:05:05,038 --> 00:05:06,807 What the hell are you doing? Woman: Natalie? 122 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:08,409 Natalie? Stop it, Steven! 123 00:05:08,442 --> 00:05:09,677 No. Oh, my god. Who is that? 124 00:05:09,710 --> 00:05:10,944 No. 125 00:05:10,978 --> 00:05:12,413 Natalie, what's happening? 126 00:05:12,446 --> 00:05:13,414 Stop it! No! you don't get to tell me-- 127 00:05:13,447 --> 00:05:14,615 [gunshot] 128 00:05:14,648 --> 00:05:16,850 Oh, my god! Natalie! Natalie! 129 00:05:16,884 --> 00:05:19,887 [Natalie screaming] 130 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,522 [gunshot] 131 00:05:56,857 --> 00:05:58,125 Prentiss: "the spectacle is capital, 132 00:05:58,158 --> 00:06:01,629 accumulated to the point where it becomes image." 133 00:06:01,662 --> 00:06:03,897 Guy Debord. 134 00:06:03,931 --> 00:06:05,899 All 3 victims lived in the same area 135 00:06:05,933 --> 00:06:07,535 and led low-risk lifestyles. 136 00:06:07,568 --> 00:06:09,837 The physical type is what attracts him. 137 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:12,573 There doesn't seem to be any other obvious link on paper. 138 00:06:12,606 --> 00:06:14,542 Alvez: Yeah, there were no red flags 139 00:06:14,575 --> 00:06:15,676 on any of their backgrounds. 140 00:06:15,709 --> 00:06:17,144 They were just living their lives. 141 00:06:17,177 --> 00:06:19,112 Which is mostly just work and hanging out with friends. 142 00:06:19,146 --> 00:06:21,014 Maggie loved cats, Katherine was a hiker, 143 00:06:21,048 --> 00:06:22,783 and Jeanette loved the Ramones. 144 00:06:22,816 --> 00:06:25,586 Better get in line there, brother. Who doesn't love them? 145 00:06:25,619 --> 00:06:28,155 Sorry to startle you. We just got buzzed by Miami pd. 146 00:06:28,188 --> 00:06:29,823 Crime-fighters, there's a ballistic match 147 00:06:29,857 --> 00:06:32,693 on two more victims that were shot tonight. 148 00:06:32,726 --> 00:06:34,528 And check it out--the girl. 149 00:06:34,562 --> 00:06:36,597 She looks just like the others, in their 20s, brunette. 150 00:06:36,630 --> 00:06:38,699 Garcia: Yeah, Natalie Corbis was a nurse, 151 00:06:38,732 --> 00:06:40,668 Steven O'Malley was a mechanical engineer. 152 00:06:40,701 --> 00:06:42,503 Both were very well-liked, and according to friends 153 00:06:42,536 --> 00:06:44,505 on social media, they were on a first date. 154 00:06:44,538 --> 00:06:46,574 Well, there's a couple other firsts here. 155 00:06:46,607 --> 00:06:49,577 Two bodies at the same time and one of them's male. 156 00:06:49,610 --> 00:06:51,745 So was he collateral damage or a target? 157 00:06:51,779 --> 00:06:55,215 5 VICTIMS IN ONE WEEK, 3 IN THE LAST 12 HOURS. 158 00:06:55,248 --> 00:06:57,217 It feels like our unsub's on a spree. 159 00:06:57,250 --> 00:06:59,052 Prentiss: Dave's already on his way to the M.E. 160 00:06:59,086 --> 00:07:00,488 Matt, you and I will set up at the station. 161 00:07:00,521 --> 00:07:02,723 JJ, Luke, go to the latest crime scene. 162 00:07:10,931 --> 00:07:15,235 So Steven's standing here, Natalie's inside the car, 163 00:07:15,268 --> 00:07:18,238 bang and bang. 164 00:07:18,271 --> 00:07:20,173 It feels like they were saying good night, 165 00:07:20,207 --> 00:07:22,743 but we know Steven wasn't going home with her. 166 00:07:22,776 --> 00:07:24,745 The unsub wouldn't know that. 167 00:07:24,778 --> 00:07:28,115 If he's a jilted lover, he'd see Steven as a surrogate, 168 00:07:28,148 --> 00:07:30,050 the guy who stole his girl. 169 00:07:30,083 --> 00:07:31,585 If he had his heart broken recently, 170 00:07:31,619 --> 00:07:33,220 that could be the reason for the spree. 171 00:07:33,253 --> 00:07:35,556 Maybe his ex got engaged. 172 00:07:35,589 --> 00:07:37,625 Or pregnant. And that's why he's lashing out. 173 00:07:37,658 --> 00:07:39,627 So time of death was 174 00:07:39,660 --> 00:07:41,028 just before they were found. 175 00:07:41,061 --> 00:07:42,229 It was like, what, 5 MINUTES? 176 00:07:42,262 --> 00:07:43,664 no, two. 177 00:07:43,697 --> 00:07:45,833 Jeez, this guy's cutting it close. 178 00:07:45,866 --> 00:07:51,605 Well, a .44 magnum has got a big bang. 179 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:53,741 Maybe that's the point. 180 00:07:53,774 --> 00:07:56,243 He wants the attention. 181 00:07:56,276 --> 00:07:58,946 Loud gun. Attracts a big crowd. 182 00:07:58,979 --> 00:08:01,281 Right? Adds to his thrill. 183 00:08:01,314 --> 00:08:04,718 Yeah. So would sticking around to watch his work. 184 00:08:04,752 --> 00:08:06,286 Don't think of him as a spree killer, 185 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:07,888 think of him as a fire-starter. 186 00:08:07,921 --> 00:08:11,258 That's why no one sees him flee the scene. 187 00:08:11,291 --> 00:08:13,794 Could be a first responder. 188 00:08:13,827 --> 00:08:16,964 But police, paramedics, witnesses, 189 00:08:16,997 --> 00:08:18,666 they'd have to give a statement. 190 00:08:18,699 --> 00:08:20,801 Yeah, if he was on more than one police report, 191 00:08:20,834 --> 00:08:23,136 he'd be on our radar. 192 00:08:23,170 --> 00:08:25,238 Well, maybe he sticks around to watch 193 00:08:25,272 --> 00:08:28,809 and just doesn't draw attention to himself. 194 00:08:28,842 --> 00:08:31,679 This guy hides in plain sight. 195 00:08:59,707 --> 00:09:02,710 [indistinct chatter] 196 00:09:02,743 --> 00:09:04,712 Man: Excuse me. Over here, please. 197 00:09:04,745 --> 00:09:07,047 [overlapping conversations] 198 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,649 Woman: When will you be releasing... 199 00:09:08,682 --> 00:09:10,117 Second woman: Why did the police call in the FBI? 200 00:09:10,150 --> 00:09:11,318 Second man: What can you tell us about the latest victims? 201 00:09:11,351 --> 00:09:12,886 Hey, is it safe to go out at night? 202 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,855 We appreciate your interest and concern, 203 00:09:14,888 --> 00:09:17,324 but the FBI has no comment at this time. 204 00:09:17,357 --> 00:09:19,727 No comment? 205 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,862 Wallenberg: Sorry about the vultures outside. 206 00:09:21,895 --> 00:09:24,264 We're doing everything we can to keep them at bay. 207 00:09:24,297 --> 00:09:26,767 It's OK. They've got a job to do. So do we. 208 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,702 We did some initial interviews with the families 209 00:09:28,736 --> 00:09:30,604 and found something interesting. 210 00:09:30,638 --> 00:09:31,939 This guy might be-- 211 00:09:31,972 --> 00:09:34,107 What? 212 00:09:34,141 --> 00:09:36,810 Again? excuse me. 213 00:09:36,844 --> 00:09:38,779 I'll be right back. 214 00:09:52,059 --> 00:09:54,061 Hair clips. 215 00:09:54,094 --> 00:09:55,996 What about them? 216 00:09:56,029 --> 00:09:58,298 No, all the victims are wearing them. 217 00:09:58,331 --> 00:09:59,933 They're generic. 218 00:09:59,967 --> 00:10:01,902 But they're all placed in the same spot 219 00:10:01,935 --> 00:10:03,403 right here behind the left ear. 220 00:10:03,436 --> 00:10:05,238 Oh, that must be what detective Wallenberg 221 00:10:05,272 --> 00:10:06,907 found out from the family interviews. 222 00:10:06,940 --> 00:10:09,710 The vics didn't wear these, so the unsub placed them. 223 00:10:09,743 --> 00:10:11,344 Ritual aspect would keep him at the scene longer, 224 00:10:11,378 --> 00:10:13,914 escalate his risk, which he may get off on. 225 00:10:13,947 --> 00:10:15,983 And going with Luke's theory, 226 00:10:16,016 --> 00:10:18,652 the woman he pines for may wear something like this. 227 00:10:18,686 --> 00:10:20,688 Um, they're pretty dated. 228 00:10:20,721 --> 00:10:22,890 I'm not sure we should limit it to romance. 229 00:10:22,923 --> 00:10:26,694 These feel more like something a mother or a teacher would wear. 230 00:10:26,727 --> 00:10:28,228 It's also strange how private he made it. 231 00:10:28,261 --> 00:10:29,797 I mean, the placement of these clips 232 00:10:29,830 --> 00:10:31,832 makes it really difficult to see. 233 00:10:31,865 --> 00:10:35,102 Everything he does is to be seen. 234 00:10:35,135 --> 00:10:39,106 So why is the unsub hiding this? 235 00:10:39,139 --> 00:10:40,808 Well, let's check with the manufacturer of those clips, 236 00:10:40,841 --> 00:10:42,409 see where they're sold. 237 00:10:42,442 --> 00:10:43,543 That could be a good starting point. 238 00:10:43,576 --> 00:10:46,780 My guess is online and in every drugstore across Miami. 239 00:10:46,814 --> 00:10:49,349 Well, the good news is, they're only visible in official CSPS. 240 00:10:49,382 --> 00:10:51,184 They can't be seen anywhere in media coverage. 241 00:10:51,218 --> 00:10:52,920 Great. That'll buy us some time 242 00:10:52,953 --> 00:10:55,889 before the public finds out. 243 00:10:55,923 --> 00:10:57,424 What the... 244 00:11:02,229 --> 00:11:04,798 How does channel 3 know? 245 00:11:04,832 --> 00:11:07,134 Let's find out. 246 00:11:10,237 --> 00:11:13,406 This is exactly the kind of thing that we needed. 247 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,142 Great work, Kal. 248 00:11:15,175 --> 00:11:16,409 Mm-hmm. 249 00:11:16,443 --> 00:11:17,845 So now we have to name him-- 250 00:11:17,878 --> 00:11:20,313 Something evocative, like son of Sam 251 00:11:20,347 --> 00:11:23,216 or BTK or zodiac. 252 00:11:23,250 --> 00:11:24,952 Anyone? 253 00:11:24,985 --> 00:11:26,153 The Miami mauler? 254 00:11:26,186 --> 00:11:28,822 What is he, an escaped lion from the zoo? 255 00:11:28,856 --> 00:11:30,123 [laughter] 256 00:11:30,157 --> 00:11:32,893 What do you see? 257 00:11:34,494 --> 00:11:36,830 Shot-out window. 258 00:11:36,864 --> 00:11:39,032 A neon light. 259 00:11:40,167 --> 00:11:42,235 The neon terror 260 00:11:42,269 --> 00:11:44,838 strikes again. 261 00:11:44,872 --> 00:11:46,506 Naming the unsub is a grave mistake. 262 00:11:46,539 --> 00:11:48,475 It romanticizes him in the public's mind 263 00:11:48,508 --> 00:11:51,011 and in turn gives him a sense of power and control 264 00:11:51,044 --> 00:11:52,512 he desperately craves. 265 00:11:52,545 --> 00:11:55,916 Agents, I'm Sandra Madsen. 266 00:11:55,949 --> 00:11:57,384 I'm the news director here. 267 00:11:57,417 --> 00:11:59,386 What can I do for you? 268 00:11:59,419 --> 00:12:01,889 Is there someplace we can talk? 269 00:12:01,922 --> 00:12:03,423 Sure. Follow me. 270 00:12:03,456 --> 00:12:04,858 Back to work, everyone. 271 00:12:04,892 --> 00:12:07,795 We can talk over here. 272 00:12:07,828 --> 00:12:10,998 I've never had a visit from the FBI before. 273 00:12:11,031 --> 00:12:12,532 It must be important. 274 00:12:12,565 --> 00:12:14,968 How can I help you, agents? 275 00:12:15,002 --> 00:12:17,771 Well, we saw your report on the matching clips 276 00:12:17,805 --> 00:12:19,306 found in the female victims' hair. 277 00:12:19,339 --> 00:12:20,974 That was great work. 278 00:12:21,008 --> 00:12:22,475 See, we actually just made 279 00:12:22,509 --> 00:12:24,344 that same connection ourselves. 280 00:12:24,377 --> 00:12:26,546 How did you do it? 281 00:12:26,579 --> 00:12:27,948 Well, we here at channel 3 282 00:12:27,981 --> 00:12:29,349 Are able to make deductions 283 00:12:29,382 --> 00:12:32,385 based on the footage, same as the FBI. 284 00:12:32,419 --> 00:12:34,922 Rossi: Of course. But the thing is, 285 00:12:34,955 --> 00:12:37,925 you can't see the clips in the media footage, 286 00:12:37,958 --> 00:12:41,094 only in the official crime scene photos. 287 00:12:41,128 --> 00:12:42,830 JJ: The killer must have reached out 288 00:12:42,863 --> 00:12:44,264 to one of your reporters? 289 00:12:44,297 --> 00:12:46,566 No, if he did, I'd know. 290 00:12:46,599 --> 00:12:49,569 We got those photos from a protected source. 291 00:12:49,602 --> 00:12:51,939 Meaning someone on the police force. 292 00:12:51,972 --> 00:12:54,975 OK, I'm not answering any more questions 293 00:12:55,008 --> 00:12:57,077 until there's a lawyer on my side of the room 294 00:12:57,110 --> 00:12:58,946 and a warrant on yours. 295 00:12:58,979 --> 00:13:01,348 Ma'am, people are dying. 296 00:13:01,381 --> 00:13:04,017 Yes, I know. And it's my job 297 00:13:04,051 --> 00:13:05,418 to keep the public informed. 298 00:13:05,452 --> 00:13:07,220 It's your job to keep them safe. 299 00:13:07,254 --> 00:13:09,056 But when you need me to compromise 300 00:13:09,089 --> 00:13:11,491 my journalistic integrity, 301 00:13:11,524 --> 00:13:13,827 I have to draw the line. 302 00:13:15,362 --> 00:13:18,198 Well, um, if you change your mind, 303 00:13:18,231 --> 00:13:20,033 we'd really appreciate a call. 304 00:13:20,067 --> 00:13:21,268 Sure. 305 00:13:21,301 --> 00:13:23,436 Rossi: Thank you. 306 00:13:30,477 --> 00:13:33,113 Now we have a serial killer and a narcissist. 307 00:13:33,146 --> 00:13:34,982 Did you see that wall of fame? 308 00:13:35,015 --> 00:13:36,616 Uh, yeah. Every inch was covered 309 00:13:36,649 --> 00:13:38,451 with photos of her on camera. 310 00:13:38,485 --> 00:13:40,320 And she has covered everything, 311 00:13:40,353 --> 00:13:43,290 from hurricanes, the Versace murders, cartel wars, 312 00:13:43,323 --> 00:13:45,893 suburban homicides to gang violence. 313 00:13:45,926 --> 00:13:48,028 Sandra loves being on the front lines. 314 00:13:48,061 --> 00:13:50,630 But from what I saw, the awards stopped coming. 315 00:13:50,663 --> 00:13:52,900 Then becoming a news director 316 00:13:52,933 --> 00:13:54,601 would be a demotion for someone like her. 317 00:13:54,634 --> 00:13:57,370 No doubt. She's probably using this story 318 00:13:57,404 --> 00:13:59,372 to goose channel 3's profile. 319 00:13:59,406 --> 00:14:01,474 Well, once that name goes public, 320 00:14:01,508 --> 00:14:04,011 he's going to get all the attention he wants. 321 00:14:04,044 --> 00:14:06,179 And that's only going to make the unsub take bigger risks, 322 00:14:06,213 --> 00:14:09,282 and bigger risks means more victims. 323 00:14:09,316 --> 00:14:11,084 Woman, reporting: Last night, Natalie Corbis 324 00:14:11,118 --> 00:14:13,320 and Steven O'Malley were both shot and killed 325 00:14:13,353 --> 00:14:15,022 in a trendy enclave of Miami 326 00:14:15,055 --> 00:14:16,556 filled with clubs and bars. 327 00:14:16,589 --> 00:14:18,658 Corbis was inside her car, 328 00:14:18,691 --> 00:14:20,961 and O'Malley was outside Natalie's car 329 00:14:20,994 --> 00:14:23,931 and were both shot once with a .44-caliber handgun. 330 00:14:23,964 --> 00:14:25,498 Reporter: Over here! Over here! 331 00:14:25,532 --> 00:14:27,134 Second reporter: Hey, right here, kid! 332 00:14:27,167 --> 00:14:29,136 [cameras flashing] 333 00:14:29,169 --> 00:14:30,503 Woman, reporting: This is the fourth time 334 00:14:30,537 --> 00:14:32,572 in recent days that Miami residents have been shot 335 00:14:32,605 --> 00:14:34,441 with this caliber firearm. 336 00:14:34,474 --> 00:14:38,245 It is unknown at this time what the offender's motive is. 337 00:14:38,278 --> 00:14:39,512 Corbis, a nurse, 338 00:14:39,546 --> 00:14:41,448 and O'Malley, a mechanical engineer, 339 00:14:41,481 --> 00:14:43,416 had just left a local establishment. 340 00:14:43,450 --> 00:14:44,985 TV anchor: Thank you, Debra. 341 00:14:45,018 --> 00:14:47,587 Stay tuned for more details on this late-breaking story 342 00:14:47,620 --> 00:14:50,457 as Debra and our news team, channel 3, 343 00:14:50,490 --> 00:14:53,193 will be on scene to bring you all the details 344 00:14:53,226 --> 00:14:54,527 as it happens... 345 00:14:54,561 --> 00:14:56,997 [continues, indistinct] 346 00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:58,231 Pull up 347 00:14:58,265 --> 00:14:59,532 She's the center of attention * 348 00:14:59,566 --> 00:15:01,634 She got everybody in this club wishing * 349 00:15:01,668 --> 00:15:03,336 I can't wait to see you 350 00:15:03,370 --> 00:15:04,571 Show up 351 00:15:04,604 --> 00:15:06,039 And she's always cool 352 00:15:06,073 --> 00:15:08,641 Love breaking out everywhere 353 00:15:08,675 --> 00:15:11,344 I mean, I never seen your face here before * 354 00:15:11,378 --> 00:15:12,345 Oh, my god 355 00:15:12,379 --> 00:15:15,015 I mean, I never seen a style like yours... * 356 00:15:15,048 --> 00:15:17,017 Oh, my god... 357 00:15:17,050 --> 00:15:20,487 Off the hook... 358 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,522 I know, certainly... 359 00:15:22,555 --> 00:15:24,591 But now we hear they're livin' so large * 360 00:15:24,624 --> 00:15:25,959 [radio shuts off] Oh, my god-- 361 00:15:29,562 --> 00:15:31,631 Who the hell-- 362 00:15:32,699 --> 00:15:35,668 Oh, my gosh! please take whatever you want. 363 00:15:35,702 --> 00:15:38,071 Just...don't hurt me. 364 00:15:38,105 --> 00:15:39,672 [breathing hard] 365 00:15:46,179 --> 00:15:47,580 Well, he likes his new nickname enough 366 00:15:47,614 --> 00:15:49,282 to bring his own neon. 367 00:15:49,316 --> 00:15:52,619 Despite the slight shift in M.O., 368 00:15:52,652 --> 00:15:54,754 he kept the same ritual aspect. 369 00:15:54,787 --> 00:15:57,290 Who's the victim? 370 00:15:57,324 --> 00:15:59,226 Lindsey Krukowski. She's the marketing manager 371 00:15:59,259 --> 00:16:00,627 at an apparel company and lived alone. 372 00:16:00,660 --> 00:16:03,630 Shot with the same .44? 373 00:16:03,663 --> 00:16:05,198 Looks that way. 374 00:16:05,232 --> 00:16:07,400 He must have been in hiding here somewhere, 375 00:16:07,434 --> 00:16:08,768 waiting to ambush her. 376 00:16:08,801 --> 00:16:10,237 Who called it in? 377 00:16:10,270 --> 00:16:12,239 Neighbor on a walk heard the gunshots. 378 00:16:12,272 --> 00:16:15,342 He found Lindsey's body and called 911. 379 00:16:15,375 --> 00:16:17,377 Did he see any strangers around the neighborhood? 380 00:16:17,410 --> 00:16:19,212 No. And we canvassed the rest of the block, too. 381 00:16:19,246 --> 00:16:20,380 Nobody saw him. 382 00:16:20,413 --> 00:16:22,182 So like the nighttime crime scenes, 383 00:16:22,215 --> 00:16:24,251 this guy easily blends in. 384 00:16:24,284 --> 00:16:26,053 Wallenberg: But isn't this way less risky? 385 00:16:26,086 --> 00:16:27,387 He had all the time in the world 386 00:16:27,420 --> 00:16:29,122 and little chance of witnesses. 387 00:16:29,156 --> 00:16:30,523 He's betting that a home invasion 388 00:16:30,557 --> 00:16:32,292 is his best way to stay relevant. 389 00:16:32,325 --> 00:16:33,526 [vehicles arriving] 390 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,128 He bet right. 391 00:16:35,162 --> 00:16:37,064 [indistinct chatter] 392 00:16:37,097 --> 00:16:39,432 JJ: They must have heard about it on the police scanner. 393 00:16:39,466 --> 00:16:40,633 You can get it as an app 394 00:16:40,667 --> 00:16:42,302 for your phone now. 395 00:16:42,335 --> 00:16:43,636 Yeah, I miss the days when that kind of equipment 396 00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:45,372 wasn't just a click away. 397 00:16:45,405 --> 00:16:48,508 We've ruled out that he's a first responder, right? 398 00:16:48,541 --> 00:16:52,245 What if he's another kind of responder? 399 00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:53,646 The media. 400 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,615 Alvez: Yeah. 401 00:16:55,648 --> 00:16:57,550 Officer: You're gonna have to wait, OK, sir? 402 00:16:57,584 --> 00:17:00,220 When we thought the media might be stoking our unsub, 403 00:17:00,253 --> 00:17:02,455 we never considered he might be one of them. 404 00:17:02,489 --> 00:17:04,724 It checks some of the boxes. 405 00:17:04,757 --> 00:17:07,360 Risk-taking, ability to blend in. 406 00:17:07,394 --> 00:17:09,396 It explains why no one questions him at the scene. 407 00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:11,098 He's supposed to be here. 408 00:17:11,131 --> 00:17:12,399 If he is part of the media, 409 00:17:12,432 --> 00:17:14,334 do you think he's also filming it? 410 00:17:14,367 --> 00:17:16,436 I don't know. We'd have to go through all of the footage. 411 00:17:16,469 --> 00:17:18,238 Every station is covering this. 412 00:17:18,271 --> 00:17:20,073 It's gonna take a lot of time. 413 00:17:20,107 --> 00:17:21,374 We got all hands on deck. 414 00:17:21,408 --> 00:17:22,842 Whatever you need, we're here. 415 00:17:22,875 --> 00:17:24,511 Great. Thank you. 416 00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:26,413 Let's deliver this profile. 417 00:17:27,747 --> 00:17:30,550 Prentiss: We believe the unsub may be a member of the media. 418 00:17:30,583 --> 00:17:33,120 It's these credentials that likely allow him 419 00:17:33,153 --> 00:17:35,822 to easily blend in at the crime scenes, no questions asked. 420 00:17:35,855 --> 00:17:38,391 We're currently sifting through all local TV, print, 421 00:17:38,425 --> 00:17:41,328 and digital journalists in order to build a suspect pool. 422 00:17:41,361 --> 00:17:44,364 Alvez: But as you know, Miami's a big market, 423 00:17:44,397 --> 00:17:46,866 lots of media outlets, so it'll take some time. 424 00:17:46,899 --> 00:17:50,170 Now, we aren't sure if he films the crime scenes 425 00:17:50,203 --> 00:17:51,271 immediately after the murders 426 00:17:51,304 --> 00:17:53,306 or is responding with other news crews. 427 00:17:53,340 --> 00:17:55,475 Now, we have to think of this unsub in two parts. 428 00:17:55,508 --> 00:17:58,311 OK, the first part, the part he's probably not aware of, 429 00:17:58,345 --> 00:17:59,379 is who he's killing. 430 00:17:59,412 --> 00:18:02,349 OK. We believe the victims represent a personal loss. 431 00:18:02,382 --> 00:18:05,618 It's most likely a maternal figure or a caregiver. 432 00:18:05,652 --> 00:18:08,355 The hair clip is his symbolic way 433 00:18:08,388 --> 00:18:11,158 of remaking his victims into that woman. 434 00:18:11,191 --> 00:18:14,527 But the second part, the part that he's very aware of... 435 00:18:14,561 --> 00:18:17,330 Prentiss: This unsub is obsessed with the media's representation 436 00:18:17,364 --> 00:18:18,898 of his murders. 437 00:18:18,931 --> 00:18:20,400 His dopamine levels rise 438 00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:21,868 when he's on the crime scene 439 00:18:21,901 --> 00:18:24,304 watching other people respond to what he's done. 440 00:18:24,337 --> 00:18:25,872 Right. Then they spike later, when he's at home 441 00:18:25,905 --> 00:18:28,241 watching his footage on the evening news. 442 00:18:28,275 --> 00:18:29,776 Sounds like an addict. 443 00:18:29,809 --> 00:18:31,744 Very much so. He's masking the pain 444 00:18:31,778 --> 00:18:34,481 of a childhood trauma by escalating his risks, 445 00:18:34,514 --> 00:18:37,784 but that only adds to his power of control and excitement. 446 00:18:37,817 --> 00:18:39,486 That's why the nickname is a problem. 447 00:18:39,519 --> 00:18:42,689 The media is feeding his ego directly, 448 00:18:42,722 --> 00:18:44,424 and he will respond in kind. 449 00:18:44,457 --> 00:18:46,526 Right now he's planning for the biggest bang possible. 450 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:49,362 Ratings, likes, shares on social media 451 00:18:49,396 --> 00:18:50,663 probably all matter to him, 452 00:18:50,697 --> 00:18:52,499 so he could be tracking them. 453 00:18:52,532 --> 00:18:54,834 Prentiss: And because he's no longer focused on public crime scenes, 454 00:18:54,867 --> 00:18:58,405 we are asking all of you to cover as much ground as possible 455 00:18:58,438 --> 00:19:00,307 inside his hunting zone. 456 00:19:00,340 --> 00:19:02,275 It's very important that the information 457 00:19:02,309 --> 00:19:05,412 shared in this profile is not posted online 458 00:19:05,445 --> 00:19:06,846 or leaked to the media. 459 00:19:06,879 --> 00:19:09,316 Doing so could further embolden him 460 00:19:09,349 --> 00:19:10,683 and cause him to escalate. 461 00:19:10,717 --> 00:19:12,685 Thank you, all. 462 00:19:25,398 --> 00:19:26,833 It feels like we've been through every media member 463 00:19:26,866 --> 00:19:28,368 in the city, and we still got nothing. 464 00:19:28,401 --> 00:19:31,538 Even those channel 3 Jag-offs checked out. 465 00:19:31,571 --> 00:19:33,940 Well, maybe he's not a journalist. 466 00:19:33,973 --> 00:19:35,708 What is he, then? 467 00:19:35,742 --> 00:19:38,478 He could just be a digital loner. 468 00:19:38,511 --> 00:19:40,380 You see lots of guys and girls like that these days. 469 00:19:40,413 --> 00:19:43,283 They have the impulse to catalog their lives 470 00:19:43,316 --> 00:19:45,752 no matter how mundane it is to the rest of the world. 471 00:19:45,785 --> 00:19:49,322 He could be cataloging these crime scene photos right now. 472 00:19:49,356 --> 00:19:50,523 That's an interesting idea, 473 00:19:50,557 --> 00:19:51,891 but how does he get in and out 474 00:19:51,924 --> 00:19:53,460 of the crime scene unnoticed? 475 00:19:53,493 --> 00:19:55,428 Well, that's kind of why I'm hitting the wall, too. 476 00:19:55,462 --> 00:19:56,963 I was hoping you might have a way around it. 477 00:19:56,996 --> 00:20:00,500 JJ: Hey, guys, look at this. 478 00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:05,472 OK, so this was taken from just inside Lindsey's garage. 479 00:20:05,505 --> 00:20:07,974 What's missing? 480 00:20:08,007 --> 00:20:10,377 The cops. They're not there yet. 481 00:20:10,410 --> 00:20:12,412 But they responded within minutes. 482 00:20:12,445 --> 00:20:13,913 So whoever filmed this 483 00:20:13,946 --> 00:20:15,548 had to be there when it happened. 484 00:20:15,582 --> 00:20:17,617 Well, this was filmed by a Kal Montgomery 485 00:20:17,650 --> 00:20:19,452 at channel 3. 486 00:20:19,486 --> 00:20:21,754 I checked their site. He's on their I.T. Staff. 487 00:20:21,788 --> 00:20:23,490 First channel 3 Breaks the story 488 00:20:23,523 --> 00:20:25,458 about the hair clips, and now this. 489 00:20:25,492 --> 00:20:26,859 Well, if he's not a cameraman or a reporter, 490 00:20:26,893 --> 00:20:28,561 he wouldn't show up on our sweep. 491 00:20:28,595 --> 00:20:29,862 Oh, and I double-checked. 492 00:20:29,896 --> 00:20:31,931 His name is on every neon terror crime scene 493 00:20:31,964 --> 00:20:34,233 channel 3's put on the news. 494 00:20:36,569 --> 00:20:39,872 Simmons: All right. I got him. Found him on social media. 495 00:20:39,906 --> 00:20:42,409 It looks like he's posted multiple rants 496 00:20:42,442 --> 00:20:43,776 about an ex-girlfriend 497 00:20:43,810 --> 00:20:46,479 who looks a lot like our victims. 498 00:20:46,513 --> 00:20:48,915 Rossi: Sounds like a digital loner to me. 499 00:20:48,948 --> 00:20:52,519 Let's go have a chat with Kal. 500 00:20:52,552 --> 00:20:54,954 Great work, people! 501 00:20:54,987 --> 00:20:56,923 Our overnight ratings are up, 502 00:20:56,956 --> 00:20:58,958 and traffic to our site's quadrupled 503 00:20:58,991 --> 00:21:00,493 since the story broke. 504 00:21:00,527 --> 00:21:03,696 We need to talk to Kal Montgomery. 505 00:21:03,730 --> 00:21:05,732 Sandra: I do hope you have that warrant. 506 00:21:05,765 --> 00:21:07,434 He's a person of interest 507 00:21:07,467 --> 00:21:09,402 in a serial murder case. 508 00:21:09,436 --> 00:21:10,803 Uh... 509 00:21:10,837 --> 00:21:12,672 Kal, you're not speaking to anyone 510 00:21:12,705 --> 00:21:13,873 until there's a lawyer present. 511 00:21:13,906 --> 00:21:16,509 It's all right, Sandra. 512 00:21:16,543 --> 00:21:17,977 I'm fine. 513 00:21:19,612 --> 00:21:21,514 Let's go to my office. 514 00:21:24,984 --> 00:21:26,819 So, you've made quite a name for yourself 515 00:21:26,853 --> 00:21:28,555 on this story, Kal. 516 00:21:28,588 --> 00:21:29,356 Thank you. 517 00:21:29,389 --> 00:21:31,524 Your video from the last crime scene 518 00:21:31,558 --> 00:21:33,860 was taken before the police arrived? 519 00:21:33,893 --> 00:21:35,061 Why is that? 520 00:21:35,094 --> 00:21:36,529 I heard the call on the scanner. 521 00:21:36,563 --> 00:21:37,830 I was in the area, so I went. 522 00:21:37,864 --> 00:21:40,633 Sandra lets me go in the field and shoot video. 523 00:21:40,667 --> 00:21:42,435 You're a real johnny on the spot. 524 00:21:42,469 --> 00:21:45,438 JJ: Then how come the police never took your statement? 525 00:21:45,472 --> 00:21:46,839 Well, that was on me. 526 00:21:46,873 --> 00:21:49,008 We had to break the story before we got scooped. 527 00:21:49,041 --> 00:21:50,610 Rossi: You know, Kal, there's more to it 528 00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:51,878 than just fleeing the scene. 529 00:21:51,911 --> 00:21:53,680 There's the question about your ex, 530 00:21:53,713 --> 00:21:56,015 the one you're trashing on social media, 531 00:21:56,048 --> 00:21:58,551 the one that looks like the victims. 532 00:21:58,585 --> 00:22:00,887 You see how it adds up, Kal? 533 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,589 JJ: Yeah, it looks to us 534 00:22:02,622 --> 00:22:04,391 like you killed Steven 535 00:22:04,424 --> 00:22:07,394 and all those women. 536 00:22:07,427 --> 00:22:10,663 I...I--I lied. 537 00:22:10,697 --> 00:22:12,098 I didn't film any of it. 538 00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:15,602 Sandra: Wait. What? 539 00:22:15,635 --> 00:22:18,371 Kal: One day, some stranger sends me a video 540 00:22:18,405 --> 00:22:19,972 of the first crime scene, tells me it's a gift, 541 00:22:20,006 --> 00:22:23,576 that I should post it as my own, so I did. 542 00:22:23,610 --> 00:22:25,712 Who did this stranger say he was? 543 00:22:25,745 --> 00:22:28,415 Kal: A Miami cop, which made even more sense 544 00:22:28,448 --> 00:22:29,782 when he sent close-ups of the hair clips. 545 00:22:29,816 --> 00:22:31,718 I thought they were official crime scene photos. 546 00:22:31,751 --> 00:22:33,820 OK, we're gonna need all of that raw footage. 547 00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:36,523 I don't have it. He always sends the videos edited. 548 00:22:36,556 --> 00:22:38,024 I'll show you. Can I? 549 00:22:38,057 --> 00:22:39,726 Yeah, go ahead. 550 00:22:55,508 --> 00:22:58,778 JJ: Who is quasar 22? 551 00:22:58,811 --> 00:23:00,613 That is an excellent question. 552 00:23:00,647 --> 00:23:02,949 I can tell you with 100% certainty 553 00:23:02,982 --> 00:23:04,917 it is not Kal Montgomery. 554 00:23:04,951 --> 00:23:06,619 His story completely checks out. 555 00:23:06,653 --> 00:23:07,954 Aside from being slightly morally repugnant, 556 00:23:07,987 --> 00:23:09,456 he's clean as a whistle. 557 00:23:09,489 --> 00:23:11,090 If that whistle was slightly morally repugnant. 558 00:23:11,123 --> 00:23:12,659 Simmons: So that clears him. 559 00:23:12,692 --> 00:23:14,661 But why did the unsub target Kal to begin with? 560 00:23:14,694 --> 00:23:15,695 Kal's ambitious. 561 00:23:15,728 --> 00:23:18,731 He must have known it and used it to his benefit. 562 00:23:18,765 --> 00:23:20,633 So he's smart enough not to expose himself, 563 00:23:20,667 --> 00:23:22,535 which is probably not easy for someone 564 00:23:22,569 --> 00:23:23,770 who's desperate for attention. 565 00:23:23,803 --> 00:23:25,104 Garcia: Also, I have to say whoever this is 566 00:23:25,137 --> 00:23:26,739 is, like, a tech wizard. 567 00:23:26,773 --> 00:23:28,675 Because I have used all the tools 568 00:23:28,708 --> 00:23:31,077 in my fantastic box, and he's, like, protected 569 00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:33,646 from the mother on high of all encryption packages 570 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,081 and a secure server, 571 00:23:35,114 --> 00:23:36,348 plus an IP scrambler, 572 00:23:36,382 --> 00:23:39,752 which is not like the warm, eggy kind but the computery kind. 573 00:23:39,786 --> 00:23:42,955 So you've got nothing on the unsub's I.D. And location? 574 00:23:42,989 --> 00:23:44,991 No. I mean, according to my screens, 575 00:23:45,024 --> 00:23:46,626 it's all coming from Jamaica. 576 00:23:46,659 --> 00:23:48,060 Kingston, to be exact. 577 00:23:48,094 --> 00:23:49,629 It does not take a profiler to know 578 00:23:49,662 --> 00:23:51,063 that's completely bogus. 579 00:23:51,097 --> 00:23:52,665 Well, if he reached out to channel 3, 580 00:23:52,699 --> 00:23:53,966 then he might have to other news outlets, too. 581 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,935 Garcia, did he send the videos to anybody else? 582 00:23:55,968 --> 00:23:58,070 Just--just Kal at channel 3. That's it. 583 00:23:58,104 --> 00:23:59,739 If the unsub is focused on them, 584 00:23:59,772 --> 00:24:01,474 he must have a personal connection there. 585 00:24:01,508 --> 00:24:03,743 Garcia, look into former channel 3 employees, 586 00:24:03,776 --> 00:24:05,678 see if any of them fit the profile. 587 00:24:05,712 --> 00:24:07,647 Copy, copy. 588 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,016 You know what bothers me about this guy? 589 00:24:10,049 --> 00:24:12,719 Is it the fact that Kal might win a local news Emmy off him? 590 00:24:12,752 --> 00:24:15,688 Close. It's that with each crime scene, 591 00:24:15,722 --> 00:24:16,989 the window between the murder 592 00:24:17,023 --> 00:24:19,759 and the start of filming, it shrinks. 593 00:24:19,792 --> 00:24:20,993 Right? And at some point, 594 00:24:21,027 --> 00:24:22,695 that's gonna converge. 595 00:24:22,729 --> 00:24:26,132 OK, we profiled he was going for a bigger bang. 596 00:24:27,199 --> 00:24:29,836 He's gonna make a snuff film. 597 00:24:36,242 --> 00:24:38,511 Woman: Over here! Over here! 598 00:24:38,545 --> 00:24:40,547 Man: Right here, kid! Look at me! 599 00:24:40,580 --> 00:24:42,281 [cameras flashing] 600 00:24:42,314 --> 00:24:44,016 [reporters shouting at once] 601 00:24:44,050 --> 00:24:46,653 Man: Are you OK? 602 00:25:29,095 --> 00:25:30,630 [tap tap] 603 00:25:30,663 --> 00:25:32,799 What the hell? 604 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:34,701 [gunshot] 605 00:25:45,077 --> 00:25:47,179 Thank you for coming so fast. 606 00:25:47,213 --> 00:25:48,047 We didn't expect you to call. 607 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,816 Well, now that I know that Kal's source 608 00:25:49,849 --> 00:25:51,050 is the killer, I had to. 609 00:25:51,083 --> 00:25:53,019 Did you or Kal watch the new video? 610 00:25:53,052 --> 00:25:55,254 I did. It's brutal. 611 00:26:25,184 --> 00:26:27,887 Sandra: Please tell me that little girl is still alive. 612 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,056 Alvez: There's not much to go on here. 613 00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:33,025 There's no signage, buildings. 614 00:26:33,059 --> 00:26:35,127 You can't see the plates on the car. 615 00:26:35,161 --> 00:26:36,796 We don't even know their names. 616 00:26:36,829 --> 00:26:38,898 But we do have geography. 617 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:43,369 You see this? 618 00:26:43,402 --> 00:26:47,106 Well, the cement lamp post in the back. 619 00:26:47,139 --> 00:26:50,242 It's tall, like at a mall parking lot. 620 00:26:50,276 --> 00:26:52,044 But those are all across the city. 621 00:26:52,078 --> 00:26:53,412 They could have been anywhere. 622 00:26:53,445 --> 00:26:55,147 Yeah, but we know the unsub's comfort zone. 623 00:26:55,181 --> 00:26:56,849 Garcia: What's up? 624 00:26:56,883 --> 00:26:58,217 Garcia, how many shopping and strip malls 625 00:26:58,250 --> 00:27:00,019 are inside the unsub's hunting grounds? 626 00:27:01,721 --> 00:27:04,924 5. We need all 5. We'll split up. 627 00:27:08,094 --> 00:27:11,163 [siren] 628 00:27:33,219 --> 00:27:34,987 Hi, sweetie. 629 00:27:35,021 --> 00:27:36,222 I'm Jennifer. 630 00:27:36,255 --> 00:27:38,257 Is somebody coming to help Nancy? 631 00:27:38,290 --> 00:27:41,828 Yeah. Yeah. Let's get you home. 632 00:27:41,861 --> 00:27:44,130 I want my mom and dad. 633 00:27:44,163 --> 00:27:47,734 Everything's gonna be OK. Don't worry. 634 00:27:47,767 --> 00:27:50,369 [sirens] 635 00:27:54,173 --> 00:27:55,808 Alvez: How is she doing? 636 00:27:55,842 --> 00:27:57,443 Good, considering. 637 00:27:57,476 --> 00:27:58,477 What's her name? 638 00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:00,212 Alex Grayson. 639 00:28:00,246 --> 00:28:02,715 The latest victim, Nancy Jones, 640 00:28:02,749 --> 00:28:04,216 was her cousin. 641 00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:06,819 She was babysitting while Alex's parents were out. 642 00:28:06,853 --> 00:28:08,454 It's a little late to be in a mall parking lot 643 00:28:08,487 --> 00:28:10,256 with a kid in the car. 644 00:28:10,289 --> 00:28:12,324 Yeah, well, when a kid can't sleep, 645 00:28:12,358 --> 00:28:14,260 a car ride's often the best way to get them down. 646 00:28:14,293 --> 00:28:16,195 Yeah, but if Alex was asleep, 647 00:28:16,228 --> 00:28:17,496 why not drive back home? 648 00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:19,365 She pulled over to answer a text 649 00:28:19,398 --> 00:28:20,900 from a guy she was gonna meet. 650 00:28:20,933 --> 00:28:24,303 There's no way Nancy was chosen at random. 651 00:28:24,336 --> 00:28:26,238 You know, you're right. 652 00:28:26,272 --> 00:28:28,140 This guy's a planner. 653 00:28:28,174 --> 00:28:31,210 He doesn't do random. He must have stalked her. 654 00:28:31,243 --> 00:28:34,781 And if he did, then he knew there was a kid in the car. 655 00:28:34,814 --> 00:28:38,985 The question is-- And I hate to ask-- 656 00:28:39,018 --> 00:28:41,220 Why is Alex still alive? 657 00:28:41,253 --> 00:28:44,290 I don't know. He's never shown a moral compass, 658 00:28:44,323 --> 00:28:45,491 so why now? 659 00:28:45,524 --> 00:28:47,860 Maybe the unsub's a dad. 660 00:28:47,894 --> 00:28:50,429 Or maybe something happened to him when he was little. 661 00:28:50,462 --> 00:28:52,364 This way. 662 00:28:52,398 --> 00:28:54,834 Father: Agent Jareau, thank you so much 663 00:28:54,867 --> 00:28:55,902 for finding our little girl. 664 00:28:55,935 --> 00:28:57,303 Of course. 665 00:29:07,513 --> 00:29:09,415 [indistinct chatter outside] 666 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,389 [reporters all talking at once] 667 00:29:17,423 --> 00:29:19,358 Man: This way, please! Alex? 668 00:29:19,391 --> 00:29:21,227 [chatter continues] 669 00:29:21,260 --> 00:29:23,229 Wait a minute. 670 00:29:29,268 --> 00:29:31,470 That's it. 671 00:29:31,503 --> 00:29:34,073 When Rossi and I were at channel 3, 672 00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:35,474 we saw Sandra's wall of fame. 673 00:29:35,507 --> 00:29:37,543 On it, there was a little boy and his father 674 00:29:37,576 --> 00:29:39,345 in roughly the same position. 675 00:29:39,378 --> 00:29:41,380 Like recently? 676 00:29:41,413 --> 00:29:43,816 No, it had to have been 20 YEARS AGO AT LEAST, 677 00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:46,853 but there might be a connection. 678 00:29:46,886 --> 00:29:48,921 Hey, Garcia, I need you to check on 679 00:29:48,955 --> 00:29:50,256 an old case in Miami. 680 00:29:50,289 --> 00:29:51,891 Fingers at the ready. 681 00:29:51,924 --> 00:29:54,226 OK, uh, 20 years ago, 682 00:29:54,260 --> 00:29:56,395 a boy, roughly 5 or 6, 683 00:29:56,428 --> 00:29:58,030 saw his mom killed. 684 00:29:58,064 --> 00:30:02,001 Uh, nothing is coming up. This is pre-internet. 685 00:30:02,034 --> 00:30:03,235 This would have received 686 00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:05,171 a lot of media attention, even back then. 687 00:30:05,204 --> 00:30:07,239 We said maternal figure in the profile, Garcia. 688 00:30:07,273 --> 00:30:09,175 Try babysitter. 689 00:30:09,208 --> 00:30:10,576 I mean, all of these women look more like babysitters, 690 00:30:10,609 --> 00:30:12,078 don't you think? 691 00:30:12,111 --> 00:30:14,080 OK... 692 00:30:14,113 --> 00:30:15,614 20 YEARS AGO THIS MONTH. 693 00:30:15,647 --> 00:30:18,017 The boy's name was Jeffery Whitfield. 694 00:30:18,050 --> 00:30:20,252 He saw his babysitter, Gina meadows, 695 00:30:20,286 --> 00:30:22,088 murdered with... 696 00:30:22,121 --> 00:30:23,355 Oh, my. 697 00:30:23,389 --> 00:30:24,924 A .44. 698 00:30:24,957 --> 00:30:27,526 Yeah. She was shot once in the heart. 699 00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:29,261 Just like the victims now. 700 00:30:29,295 --> 00:30:31,197 Jeffery and Gina were found in a car, weren't they? 701 00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:33,232 Uh-huh. In a strip mall parking lot. 702 00:30:33,265 --> 00:30:35,334 Was it inside the unsub's comfort zone? 703 00:30:35,367 --> 00:30:37,937 Yeah, they were outside the vet's office. 704 00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:40,639 They were taking Jeffery's cat to the vet. 705 00:30:40,672 --> 00:30:42,174 Jeffery was in the backseat. 706 00:30:42,208 --> 00:30:43,375 He saw the whole thing. 707 00:30:43,409 --> 00:30:44,877 He wasn't hurt, but... 708 00:30:44,911 --> 00:30:47,413 The victims bear a striking resemblance to Gina. 709 00:30:47,446 --> 00:30:48,981 I'm sending the info now. 710 00:30:49,015 --> 00:30:50,616 All right, thanks, Garcia. 711 00:30:54,286 --> 00:30:57,356 That is our unsub-- Jeffery Whitfield at age 6. 712 00:30:57,389 --> 00:30:58,991 Jeffery was in the car that day. 713 00:30:59,025 --> 00:31:01,961 They caught the guy down the road, but... 714 00:31:01,994 --> 00:31:03,362 Check this out. 715 00:31:03,395 --> 00:31:06,598 Gina was wearing the same hair clip that day. 716 00:31:06,632 --> 00:31:09,301 The same one he's been placing in his victims' hair. 717 00:31:09,335 --> 00:31:11,037 JJ: Sandra worked Jeffery's story when it broke, 718 00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:13,639 and she got his only on-camera interview a year later. 719 00:31:13,672 --> 00:31:15,541 That explains his focus on channel 3. 720 00:31:15,574 --> 00:31:17,109 He probably felt exploited. 721 00:31:17,143 --> 00:31:18,377 Alvez: Or the opposite. 722 00:31:18,410 --> 00:31:20,546 This could have been his shining moment, 723 00:31:20,579 --> 00:31:23,115 the only time he's ever felt important before. 724 00:31:23,149 --> 00:31:25,317 In a single-event imprint, 725 00:31:25,351 --> 00:31:27,319 people can have polar responses. 726 00:31:27,353 --> 00:31:30,022 Some avoid it entirely; others obsess over it. 727 00:31:30,056 --> 00:31:32,324 Both of his parents died last year. 728 00:31:32,358 --> 00:31:35,627 So to him, there's only one other person who recalls that day. 729 00:31:35,661 --> 00:31:37,363 Sandra Madsen. 730 00:31:37,396 --> 00:31:39,331 Prentiss: He created the story, 731 00:31:39,365 --> 00:31:40,699 hoping to get her attention again, 732 00:31:40,732 --> 00:31:42,334 just like he did 20 YEARS AGO. 733 00:31:42,368 --> 00:31:44,370 in his mind, both he and Sandra 734 00:31:44,403 --> 00:31:45,671 benefited from that day. 735 00:31:45,704 --> 00:31:47,373 She got her big story 736 00:31:47,406 --> 00:31:49,041 and Jeffery got his moment in the sun. 737 00:31:49,075 --> 00:31:51,143 He must have figured they can do it all again. 738 00:31:51,177 --> 00:31:52,678 But if she stops running his footage, 739 00:31:52,711 --> 00:31:54,513 he could see that as a betrayal. 740 00:31:54,546 --> 00:31:56,215 Rossi: And Jeffery might jump off script 741 00:31:56,248 --> 00:31:57,683 and attack her next. 742 00:31:57,716 --> 00:31:59,418 Sandra's phone went to voicemail. 743 00:31:59,451 --> 00:32:01,220 He might have already gotten to her. 744 00:32:01,253 --> 00:32:02,654 JJ, Luke, take Jeffery's apartment. 745 00:32:02,688 --> 00:32:04,991 Matt, get detective Wallenberg and head to Sandra's. 746 00:32:05,024 --> 00:32:07,326 Dave, you and I will go to the channel 3 News room. 747 00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:12,464 [indistinct news reports] 748 00:32:18,337 --> 00:32:20,239 Where is it? 749 00:32:22,241 --> 00:32:24,576 Come on, Sandra. Where is it?! 750 00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:27,213 No, no, no! 751 00:32:27,246 --> 00:32:28,947 [grunting] 752 00:32:43,329 --> 00:32:45,264 I want to keep the momentum going, 753 00:32:45,297 --> 00:32:46,532 so, yeah, let's lead with that one there 754 00:32:46,565 --> 00:32:49,101 and then go over to this one here. 755 00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:55,774 [gunshots] 756 00:32:55,807 --> 00:32:58,277 Man: Get down! get down! 757 00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:59,278 Gun! gun! 758 00:32:59,311 --> 00:33:02,148 [people screaming] 759 00:33:11,157 --> 00:33:12,491 [gasping] 760 00:33:12,524 --> 00:33:14,426 Don't do this. 761 00:33:14,460 --> 00:33:16,762 Why did you stop running our story? 762 00:33:29,541 --> 00:33:33,279 [moaning] 763 00:33:33,312 --> 00:33:35,514 [gasps] 764 00:33:35,547 --> 00:33:37,149 What do you want? 765 00:33:37,183 --> 00:33:39,718 You don't remember me, do you? 766 00:33:41,753 --> 00:33:43,789 Jeffery Whitfield. 767 00:33:46,192 --> 00:33:48,360 Hi, Sandra. 768 00:33:48,394 --> 00:33:49,728 Jeffery? 769 00:33:49,761 --> 00:33:52,798 We worked well together 20 YEARS AGO. 770 00:33:52,831 --> 00:33:55,834 then time forgot us both. 771 00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:58,070 You're killing people. 772 00:33:58,104 --> 00:34:01,773 We were finally getting the attention we deserved, 773 00:34:01,807 --> 00:34:03,342 but then you screwed it up 774 00:34:03,375 --> 00:34:05,111 by not airing the last murder. 775 00:34:05,144 --> 00:34:06,578 Jeffery, I couldn't. 776 00:34:06,612 --> 00:34:07,579 Why not? 777 00:34:07,613 --> 00:34:09,781 There was a little girl. 778 00:34:09,815 --> 00:34:12,851 I'd never hurt a child. 779 00:34:12,884 --> 00:34:14,686 I'm not a monster. 780 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:16,688 The way you cut the footage, 781 00:34:16,722 --> 00:34:19,225 I--I didn't know if she was-- 782 00:34:19,258 --> 00:34:21,760 It's called a cliffhanger, Sandra. 783 00:34:43,382 --> 00:34:44,716 Oh, god. 784 00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:46,618 Tell everyone your name. 785 00:34:49,321 --> 00:34:51,190 Sandra. 786 00:34:51,223 --> 00:34:52,824 Sandra who? 787 00:34:55,761 --> 00:34:57,463 Sandra Madsen. 788 00:34:58,730 --> 00:35:00,132 Oh, no. Oh, no. 789 00:35:00,166 --> 00:35:01,667 Prentiss: Yeah, Garcia? 790 00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:03,902 Jeffery Whitfield is on-- And he's got a-- He's got a gun 791 00:35:03,935 --> 00:35:06,372 to Sandra's head, and he's posting it all on his social media. 792 00:35:06,405 --> 00:35:07,839 Penelope, can you see where they are? 793 00:35:07,873 --> 00:35:09,408 Uh, in the news room. 794 00:35:09,441 --> 00:35:11,310 Can you cut off his feed? 795 00:35:11,343 --> 00:35:12,411 I don't think he'll kill Sandra 796 00:35:12,444 --> 00:35:13,645 if the world can't watch. 797 00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:15,681 I can try, but it's gonna take a second. 798 00:35:15,714 --> 00:35:17,316 Prentiss: Please work quickly. 799 00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:20,252 I clocked multiple entrances into the news room. 800 00:35:20,286 --> 00:35:21,687 OK, you take one, I'll take another. 801 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,423 We'll surround him best we can. 802 00:35:24,456 --> 00:35:27,893 And what's your job, Sandra Madsen? 803 00:35:27,926 --> 00:35:32,464 I'm the news director at channel 3. 804 00:35:32,498 --> 00:35:35,634 One of your first stories was about Jeffery Whitfield, 805 00:35:35,667 --> 00:35:38,470 a boy who saw his babysitter murdered. 806 00:35:38,504 --> 00:35:41,907 Do you remember him? 807 00:35:41,940 --> 00:35:44,443 I do. I do, Jeffery. 808 00:35:44,476 --> 00:35:46,712 Tell them about Jeffery's cat. 809 00:35:50,249 --> 00:35:51,483 Please. I can't. 810 00:35:51,517 --> 00:35:54,886 Tell them about the cat. 811 00:35:56,955 --> 00:36:00,626 After Gina was killed... 812 00:36:00,659 --> 00:36:05,497 Jeffery's cat licked the blood off of Jeffery. 813 00:36:05,531 --> 00:36:07,933 He didn't speak for almost a year, 814 00:36:07,966 --> 00:36:10,836 till I interviewed him and... 815 00:36:10,869 --> 00:36:12,571 [sighs] 816 00:36:12,604 --> 00:36:15,374 When he saw himself in the camera's playback, 817 00:36:15,407 --> 00:36:19,845 it was...like a game. 818 00:36:19,878 --> 00:36:22,681 And it was more fun than real life, 819 00:36:22,714 --> 00:36:26,418 and it got him communicating again and-- 820 00:36:26,452 --> 00:36:27,919 Prentiss: FBI! Drop your weapon. 821 00:36:27,953 --> 00:36:29,521 Put the gun down, now. 822 00:36:29,555 --> 00:36:32,491 Drop it, Jeffery, now! put it down. 823 00:36:34,025 --> 00:36:35,894 [Sandra gasps] 824 00:36:37,529 --> 00:36:38,530 No. 825 00:36:38,564 --> 00:36:40,866 The world will see this. 826 00:36:43,335 --> 00:36:46,738 And they'll never forget me again. 827 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,909 No. No. 828 00:36:53,445 --> 00:36:55,681 Not today, Satan! 829 00:36:57,749 --> 00:36:59,818 No, no. 830 00:36:59,851 --> 00:37:01,453 It's not right if it doesn't work. 831 00:37:01,487 --> 00:37:03,021 It has to work! 832 00:37:03,054 --> 00:37:04,990 You don't have an audience, Jeffery. 833 00:37:07,058 --> 00:37:09,295 But I have to make them remember. 834 00:37:09,328 --> 00:37:10,862 But if you walk away now, 835 00:37:10,896 --> 00:37:13,999 think about all the attention you'll get. 836 00:37:14,032 --> 00:37:15,501 That's not enough. 837 00:37:15,534 --> 00:37:17,869 Prentiss: Ratings through the roof. 838 00:37:17,903 --> 00:37:20,406 All those likes, all those shares. 839 00:37:20,439 --> 00:37:22,374 The whole world will be buzzing about you. 840 00:37:22,408 --> 00:37:25,644 Rossi: It'll be the trial of the century. 841 00:37:25,677 --> 00:37:28,013 People will forget. 842 00:37:28,046 --> 00:37:30,749 They always do. 843 00:37:30,782 --> 00:37:34,853 They always forget me. 844 00:37:34,886 --> 00:37:37,055 Prentiss: Jeffery, if you put that gun down right now 845 00:37:37,088 --> 00:37:41,460 and come with us, we'll make sure no one ever forgets you again. 846 00:37:41,493 --> 00:37:43,762 How? 847 00:37:43,795 --> 00:37:48,033 We will get you a prime-time broadcast network interview. 848 00:37:48,066 --> 00:37:50,035 OK? one on one. 849 00:37:50,068 --> 00:37:52,838 No distractions. It'll all be about you. 850 00:37:52,871 --> 00:37:56,575 And then everybody will talk about it 851 00:37:56,608 --> 00:37:58,577 forever. 852 00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:15,761 Put your hands behind your back. 853 00:38:15,794 --> 00:38:17,863 OK. 854 00:38:19,731 --> 00:38:22,734 [crying] 855 00:38:22,768 --> 00:38:25,437 You're gonna be OK. 856 00:38:25,471 --> 00:38:28,740 Jeffery Whitfield, you may be a wizard, 857 00:38:28,774 --> 00:38:31,943 but I am an oracle of the highest order. 858 00:38:31,977 --> 00:38:33,078 [sighs] 859 00:38:33,111 --> 00:38:36,948 [indistinct chatter outside] 860 00:38:38,584 --> 00:38:41,019 Thank you, agent Rossi. 861 00:38:41,052 --> 00:38:42,754 How you holding up? 862 00:38:42,788 --> 00:38:46,024 I always wonder what a victim must feel like 863 00:38:46,057 --> 00:38:49,761 in that moment, how terrifying it must be. 864 00:38:49,795 --> 00:38:51,597 And now you know. 865 00:38:51,630 --> 00:38:54,566 Except it wasn't terrifying. 866 00:38:56,735 --> 00:38:59,137 It was exhilarating. 867 00:38:59,170 --> 00:39:01,473 He almost killed you. 868 00:39:01,507 --> 00:39:03,675 But he didn't. 869 00:39:03,709 --> 00:39:05,043 And now this. 870 00:39:06,912 --> 00:39:10,482 Sandra, that's not real. 871 00:39:10,516 --> 00:39:12,718 Yes, it is. 872 00:39:12,751 --> 00:39:17,155 That's why I am so grateful to Jeffery. 873 00:39:17,188 --> 00:39:20,659 The next time you see him, will you... 874 00:39:22,994 --> 00:39:25,564 Will you thank him for me? 875 00:39:30,669 --> 00:39:34,072 [reporters all shouting questions] 876 00:39:36,174 --> 00:39:37,843 Sandra: Tragically, 877 00:39:37,876 --> 00:39:40,178 I met Jeffery Whitfield 20 YEARS AGO. 878 00:39:40,211 --> 00:39:42,781 I was a field reporter starting out, 879 00:39:42,814 --> 00:39:45,150 and I had been assigned to the scene of a murder. 880 00:39:45,183 --> 00:39:47,953 A young woman had been shot and killed... 881 00:39:47,986 --> 00:39:50,021 Rossi: "I never travel without my diary. 882 00:39:50,055 --> 00:39:53,425 "one should always have something sensational to read 883 00:39:53,459 --> 00:39:54,960 in the train." 884 00:39:54,993 --> 00:39:55,994 Oscar Wilde. 64160

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