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The first one you had yesterday. 4 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,120 [Bob] The day after Jill was killed, 5 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,640 the BBC received calls from what would seem to be a Serb. 6 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:32,880 {\an8}As a hard news man, 7 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,880 {\an8}as a man who can look for a story, as it were, in the development of things, 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:42,760 it just seemed to me that it was possible that they had somehow got to the country 9 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,320 or had sleepers in the country to punish Britain. 10 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:51,160 [loud explosions] 11 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,000 It was horrible. 12 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,880 [male reporter] In a split second, the station's main control room 13 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,800 and other technical areas were completely destroyed. 14 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,239 {\an8}NATO bombed the TV station in Serbia. 15 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,360 [male reporter] NATO says that the TV station 16 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,720 was the hub of Serbia's war propaganda. 17 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,040 [Jon] A lot of journalists were killed. 18 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,880 [people clamoring] 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,120 [Bob] People had died in that place. 20 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:24,440 [indistinct chatter] 21 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,560 The Serbs were furious about it. 22 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:27,880 [sobbing] 23 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:33,160 It's not impossible somebody who is deeply aggrieved decided, 24 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,440 "We would get our own back on the country for what you as part of NATO did to ours." 25 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:40,400 [indistinct chatter] 26 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,720 Thousands of people from Kosovo have left their homes 27 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,400 and arrived on the borders of neighboring countries. 28 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:52,200 Jill had fronted an appeal for Kosovan refugees and victims of the war. 29 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:53,440 So there was a connection. 30 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:58,520 This is a massive exodus, around 600,000 people are on the move. 31 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,280 {\an8}It was a bit scary to think that 32 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,640 {\an8}that might have been the motive. 33 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,800 That it could have been a Serbian war lord. 34 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,040 [male reporter] We know you as a killer, Arkan, not as a peaceful politician. 35 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,120 You know it's bullshit you're talking about. 36 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,040 The Yugoslav War was very bitter and it was a very big news story. 37 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,000 As the international community loses patience with the fighting in Bosnia, 38 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,760 Radovan Karadžić, the leader of... 39 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,920 [Jennie] Many of us were involved in reporting or presenting news about that. 40 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,960 As the next few days went by 41 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,480 and, you know, I approached my own front door, 42 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,120 you looked over your shoulder, you were frightened, 43 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,160 because if it had been a professionally arranged killing, 44 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,000 then there was reason to be scared. 45 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,560 [theme music playing] 46 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:49,280 One of Britain's most popular television presenters has been murdered 47 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,440 in what could be a professional hit. 48 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,320 The tributes here on the flowers echo the overriding reaction of shock... 49 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,240 [man 1] Even the Queen has been moved to comment, saying she is shocked... 50 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,200 {\an8}[man 2] Police say there are many possible motives for the murder. 51 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,400 {\an8}[man 3] ...responsible for solving so many crimes 52 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,320 {\an8}may have created enemies in the process. 53 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,520 {\an8}[woman 1] The Crimewatch presenter may have been assassinated in retaliation 54 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,440 for the NATO bombings of the Belgrade... 55 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,640 [man 4] Detectives confirm that Jill Dando 56 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,280 had complained of being followed by a stalker. 57 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,240 [woman 2] A man who has gone on trial in London 58 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,640 had an obsession with celebrities and was fascinated with firearms. 59 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,520 [man 5] Detectives say they're not ruling out any line of inquiry. 60 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,320 Some believe the killer may have got away with murder. 61 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,160 {\an8}BBC executives feel, in the light of Jill Dando's murder, 62 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,760 they can take no unnecessary risks with the safety of their staff. 63 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,920 Police investigating Monday's killing will also treat 64 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,240 the alleged Serbian connection seriously until it is proved otherwise. 65 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,160 [Hamish] The threat to the BBC saying that was retaliation. 66 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,360 We weren't able to trace that caller because they were anonymous. 67 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,480 Then the next question is the Serbian government? 68 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,760 The Serbian state? 69 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,880 {\an8}An individual Serb living in London on their own who's angry? 70 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,240 {\an8}We then did explore, obviously, with security services here 71 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,440 {\an8}for any intelligence or information that they had. 72 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,480 That's the thing with homicide investigations where it's, 73 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,959 the suspect is unknown, you have to be cautious. 74 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,800 You cannot just jump to a conclusion and run with that. 75 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,520 [pensive music playing] 76 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:38,400 Everyone had a theory about how she was murdered and who was responsible. 77 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,480 Criminal networks. Mafia. Russian. Jilted lovers. 78 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,880 We have a good description there of the man who was seen running away. 79 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:51,760 [Hamish] But the reality is, many a stranger homicide inquiry, 80 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:55,440 the answer lies within the first tranche of information. 81 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,720 Though I feared that there was something and we'd missed it. 82 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,480 That somewhere in the beginning there was a message 83 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,920 or information which had been overlooked. 84 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,240 [gripping music playing] 85 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,200 In terms of actual evidence about the case, 86 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,520 we had the traffic warden's information. 87 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:22,160 Of her attempt to issue a parking ticket to a blue Range Rover on Gowan Avenue. 88 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,040 [dispatcher talking indistinctly] 89 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,160 [Hamish] We then received information about a blue Range Rover 90 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,240 seen travelling across Putney Bridge. 91 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,600 {\an8}[male reporter] The blue Range Rover in this picture was seen 92 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,240 {\an8}speeding through red lights away from the murder scene. 93 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,640 [Hamish] The vehicle was driving at high speed. 94 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,400 At such a speed that it's leaning over, it joins the Fulham Palace Road. 95 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,640 Approaches the traffic lights, which are now red. 96 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,800 Travels through the red lights and goes away at speed 97 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,760 south on the Fulham Palace Road. 98 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,000 It was then realized those two pieces of information were linked. 99 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,120 The inquiry then focused on Range Rovers for many months 100 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,920 and plotted every Range Rover and CCTV pictures of Range Rovers 101 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,440 to try and trace them down. 102 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,960 But we didn't have a number. We just had a color and a make. 103 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,000 Somehow that was going to have to be sifted down and analyzed. 104 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,600 The blue Range Rover was a key piece of evidence. 105 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,800 But it's very difficult for the police in these circumstances. 106 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,800 I mean, looking for a specific blue Range Rover in London 107 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,000 would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. 108 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,360 [Hamish] I knew it was going to be an enormous amount of work. 109 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,120 Buckingham Palace has made it clear that Princess Diana will still be invited 110 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,160 to attend some state occasions, 111 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,040 but the divorce settlement will inevitably lead to a big change in her life. 112 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,640 When you're doing the news, you have to be the person that was watching, 113 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,920 so they think you're speaking just to them. 114 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,800 You have been invited into their living room. 115 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,640 Jill had that skill. 116 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,560 {\an8}She was very, very versatile. 117 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,200 {\an8}And I loved that. She managed to cross the divide. 118 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:10,400 This is the scene in The Mall this evening. 119 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,840 Already hundreds of people lining the route, 120 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,720 prepared for a damp, possibly showery night, 121 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,880 so that they can pay their respects tomorrow to Diana, Princess of Wales. 122 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,040 I know she was happiest when she was interviewing people. 123 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,880 Not politicians, but just ordinary people. I know she loved that. 124 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,160 What did Diana mean to you? 125 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,240 She was kind and she did a lot for other people. 126 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,560 [Anastasia] Some of the cleverest journalists in the room couldn't do that. 127 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,880 They didn't have what she had, that magic touch. 128 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,880 [Jon] When I took her on, she was already incredibly well-known, 129 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,440 but she needed other programs to do. 130 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,320 And then along came Crimewatch. 131 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,000 [Crimewatch theme music playing] 132 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,440 First tonight, a reconstruction of a truly sad... 133 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,080 [Jon] Jill just jumped at the chance. 134 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,040 ...in which a young man became a killer. 135 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,040 I didn't want her to go to the program. 136 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,040 I'd said to her when she was offered it, [inhales sharply] "Don't like it." 137 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,720 Do please call if you know anything, this man must be stopped. 138 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,960 I don't want you being in a place 139 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,680 where you're reporting nasty events that happen to people. 140 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,240 [Jill] It's public service broadcasting at its best. 141 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,080 Crimewatch has results. 142 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,320 People might consider you to be a target 143 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,320 as a result of what the program does to criminals 144 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,680 apprehended as a result of its work 145 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,640 and found themselves in prison. 146 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,440 I regarded that as a threat and I said that to her. 147 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,360 [foreboding music playing] 148 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,280 [distant siren wailing] 149 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:44,080 [journalist] Takes a certain sort of person, 150 00:08:44,799 --> 00:08:47,120 brutal, sadistic psychopath 151 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,200 to walk up behind a woman in broad daylight 152 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,520 {\an8}and shoot a gun into her head. 153 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,200 {\an8}I mean, that is not something you do lightly. I've done horrible things. 154 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,680 I've got 68 previous convictions. 155 00:08:58,760 --> 00:08:59,720 [tires screeching] 156 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,480 But I couldn't do that. 157 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,520 But I tried a bit of everything. 158 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,960 Theft, stealing cars, selling drugs. Whatever was criminal I would do. 159 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,600 I was a dyed-in-the-wool, 24-hours-a-day criminal. 160 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,680 {\an8}In 1998, I was actually on remand in Belmarsh Prison, 161 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,520 uh, waiting to go up to the Old Bailey on multiple charges of armed robbery. 162 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,960 [reporter] Police have confirmed that the BBC television presenter Jill Dando... 163 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,920 [Noel] When Jill Dando was shot, 164 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,160 a lot of criminals, I have to say, at the time, they sort of went, "Yeah," 165 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,640 because Jill Dando was on Crimewatch UK, and a lot of them had ended up in prison 166 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,800 down to, you know, stuff they had on Crimewatch. 167 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,880 [Jill] An attempt to pervert the course of justice on a major scale. 168 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,080 An organized gang... 169 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,800 It's quite possible that it was one of those who actually done Jill Dando. 170 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,480 {\an8}I thought it was a professional. The way it was done, it was professional. 171 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:58,200 {\an8}Because, if in the '80s and '90s, the way every hit was carried out 172 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,520 was in broad daylight out in the street. 173 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,840 You want a place where people are not expecting you to do it. 174 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,000 If you're walking in your door in the day 175 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,280 or you're walking down the high street, you're not on alert. 176 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,920 The chances of catching a professional who works in that way are slim to none. 177 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,440 [gripping music playing] 178 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,880 [Nick Ross] Ever since Crimewatch started, we've closed by saying, 179 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,320 "Don't have nightmares, do sleep well." 180 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,000 And given Jill Dando's murder, 181 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,840 you might think any reassurances sound hollow tonight. 182 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,240 It was almost inevitable 183 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,240 that we would do an appeal on Crimewatch to explain the case 184 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,720 and seek witnesses and appeal for information. 185 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:54,000 This is a somber and, for me, a surreal Crimewatch UK. 186 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,360 I remember watching the Crimewatch on Jill's murder. 187 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,320 [Nick] It's been almost unbearable dealing with Jill's death. 188 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,480 But this program was her passion. 189 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:09,880 And now, as Jill helped others, we hope we can do the same for her. 190 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:16,800 {\an8}Seeing Nick Ross, I was struck by how professionally he handled it. 191 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,960 [woman] Getting towards the end of Gowan Avenue, 192 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,560 on the Fulham Palace Road end, 193 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,360 I was conscious that somebody was sitting on my tail, as it were. 194 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,200 [Hamish] The principle of Crimewatch... 195 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:28,280 [woman] Hurrying me. 196 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,640 ...was to ask the public about evidence. 197 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,480 [woman] I had got the impression there was more than one person... 198 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:36,840 Who owns this car? Who is this photograph? Where is this person? 199 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,280 [Hamish on TV] There were several sightings of a blue Range Rover... 200 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,400 So, we then released information about a blue Range Rover 201 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,000 and hopefully someone can give us information. 202 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,880 [Hamish on TV] Were you driving around that area on the 26th of April? 203 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,240 Ring us, tell us where you were on that day, 204 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,040 which Range Rover you were driving and where you were. 205 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,320 [Jane] Once they factored in the blue Range Rover, 206 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,600 there was talks maybe of an accomplice who'd followed Jill. 207 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,880 I do actually think the Range Rover sort of symbolized professional hit, 208 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,840 gangland, criminal world. 209 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,320 More than one person escaping from the scene fast. 210 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:14,640 It's a free call number. 211 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,120 So Nick Ross asked if the public could help. 212 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,680 Please call if you can identify any of those... 213 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,600 [Ian] Hundreds of calls are coming in. 214 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,720 [man] I'm calling about the Jill Dando murder. 215 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,600 {\an8}Members of the public, other police forces. 216 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:32,360 {\an8}Basically, everyone seemed to have information 217 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,480 about a vehicle being very close to the scene at the time of the murder. 218 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,280 [man] Hi, I've got information about Jill Dando. 219 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,840 [Hamish] Seemed everybody drove blue Range Rovers. 220 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,640 [woman] I've got information about Jill... 221 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:49,920 [Hamish] So it was a long shot. 222 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,040 [gripping music playing] 223 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,240 But then there was one phone call 224 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,280 that was quite interesting. 225 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,520 An informant says, "I know who killed Jill Dando 226 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,040 and here are the names of the individuals." 227 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,960 That particular informant appeared plausible. 228 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:12,800 He was known as Mr. James. 229 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,680 {\an8}The information James was giving us was showing 230 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,520 that the people behind the murder of Jill Dando 231 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,680 were active criminals. 232 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,080 They were a higher-level drugs group. 233 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,160 I and another officer arranged to meet him. 234 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,160 [suspenseful music playing] 235 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,720 That conversation was covertly recorded. 236 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,360 And he was questioned at length by me to understand how it is 237 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,720 his claim that he knew who had killed Jill Dando could be true. 238 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:09,760 And he gave an account and a story of a Range Rover. 239 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,520 {\an8}[camera shutter clicking] 240 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,440 {\an8}And the account and detail he was giving was sufficient for us to say, 241 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,880 well, we need to look at this criminal network. 242 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,040 So they were followed. 243 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,360 And we used a range of police tactics and operations 244 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,040 to try to understand where they were going, 245 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,320 what they were doing, and seeking to hear what they were saying. 246 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,120 [indistinct radio chatter] 247 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,320 [gripping music playing] 248 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,320 [Jane] Initially we felt it was going to be solved very quickly. 249 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,360 And then it, just suddenly, a whole summer went by. 250 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:53,600 It went very quiet. 251 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,560 [male reporter 1] The street where Jill Dando lived and died. 252 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,680 The media circus has gone, but people are still coming to terms 253 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,400 with one of the most bizarre murders ever committed. 254 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,400 The shooting of Miss Dando remains a mystery. 255 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,240 A crime many here in Britain, where gun violence is so rare, 256 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,360 still find incomprehensible. 257 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,560 [male reporter 2] After a promising start, 258 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,280 progress appears, from the outside, to be slow. 259 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,280 [male officer] If there's anything that jogs your memory, 260 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:21,520 give the number a ring. 261 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,120 [imperceptible] 262 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,080 The press, people like me, we want developments. 263 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,800 News executives coming to me and saying, "Why haven't they solved this job?" 264 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,520 [Hamish] We were working on certain lines of inquiry. 265 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,160 But we don't have to give all the details all the time. 266 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,240 It was almost like tumbleweed, nothing. 267 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,640 And then we were all thinking, well, are the police onto somebody? 268 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,760 Is there some sort of dynamite piece of information 269 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,880 they're about to come out with that we don't know about? 270 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,200 [Hamish] After many months and much investment, 271 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,400 it turned out the informant James was lying. 272 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:12,120 And it became clear that he was seeking to blame others for Jill Dando's murder, 273 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,240 hoping that they would be arrested to release him 274 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,000 from the pressure he was under in his own drugs work. 275 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:20,480 We didn't have proof 276 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,040 the Range Rover was even involved in the shooting. 277 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,600 The sea around here is ideal for snorkeling and scuba diving. 278 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,040 But here's something which involves neither swimming 279 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:32,480 nor getting your hair wet. 280 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,160 I'm going walking on the sea bed with one of these. 281 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:41,200 {\an8}I thought it would be a sure-fire, quick investigation and they'd find somebody. I... 282 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,960 I was just left reading the papers like everyone else. 283 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:51,480 Thinking, "God, she had it all ahead of her." 284 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,080 Just so wasted. 285 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,760 It's just, uh... wasted. 286 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,560 [audience cheering, applauding] 287 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,040 [Martyn] I think her career was really not even halfway. 288 00:17:04,120 --> 00:17:07,080 {\an8}Just, um, tragic to have that taken away 289 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,760 {\an8}so, uh, brutally, um, and without explanation. 290 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:14,560 -[laughing] No, I don't believe this. -[man laughs] 291 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,280 [Nigel] What you saw on the screen was Jill in her element. 292 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,240 {\an8}Jill Dando, this is your life. 293 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:21,720 [nostalgic music playing] 294 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,480 Thoroughly enjoying herself, uh, and just wishing 295 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,359 that the members of her audience were there with her, 296 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,240 having as good a time as she was. 297 00:17:30,319 --> 00:17:31,960 [chuckles] It's cold. 298 00:17:32,839 --> 00:17:36,760 [Nigel] I hate to say this expression, but she was the nation's sweetheart. 299 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:41,320 I was very pleased for her because she'd done tremendously well 300 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,440 from humble beginnings. 301 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,000 Who knows what would have happened? I don't know. 302 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,400 I put my absolute trust in the police to do it. 303 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,440 How else was it going to be solved? 304 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,560 [gripping music playing] 305 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,640 We wanted to put Jill on the front pages, but it started to go quiet. 306 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,080 The family, well, that story kept in the newspapers, 307 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,600 because as long as you keep the story alive, 308 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,680 you keep the investigation alive. 309 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,480 [Nigel] I had conversations with Hamish 310 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,480 who said that they were following these lines of inquiry. 311 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,400 But essentially they were just drawing blanks. 312 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,000 [indistinct chatter] 313 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,920 [male reporter] With no immediate prospect of an arrest, 314 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,440 detectives are increasingly under pressure to come up with a result. 315 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,240 I couldn't understand how there hadn't been an arrest. 316 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:39,920 Most famous TV personality, all the resources and no one was arrested. 317 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,040 [Hamish] It generated thousands of pieces of information. 318 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:54,040 It was relentless, eliminating suspects and closing down lines of inquiry. 319 00:18:54,720 --> 00:19:00,240 But we had not identified all these witnesses in Gowan Avenue. 320 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,760 Who was it they were seeing? 321 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:08,480 The great majority of witnesses cannot recall the human face sufficiently 322 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,520 for an artist to then recreate that face. 323 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:12,600 [imperceptible] 324 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,040 But there were four people from the witnesses 325 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,360 who believed they could do. 326 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,760 One of them had witnessed a man in the Fulham Road... 327 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,160 running across the road and he stood at the bus stop. 328 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,880 That witness was able to describe him sufficiently for an e-fit to be drawn. 329 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:39,080 And the e-fit was the one we produced or showed at the press conference. 330 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,760 [people chattering] 331 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,760 We didn't have all the answers. 332 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:47,280 I sensed a concern and nervousness from everybody above me. 333 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,200 And the media, swirling around with so many ideas and thoughts. 334 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:54,520 {\an8}That had to be managed. 335 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,040 {\an8}-[camera shutters clicking] -[indistinct chatter] 336 00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:59,960 [male reporter] Four days after the murder of Jill Dando, 337 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,840 the police released this computer-generated picture 338 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,680 of the man they're treating as their number one suspect. 339 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,960 He was seen by several witnesses, 340 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,880 the last time standing by this bus stop in Fulham Palace Road 341 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,320 just after Jill Dando was shot. 342 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,480 This was very, very significant indeed. 343 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,600 We felt that the police would not be putting out an e-fit of somebody 344 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,320 they thought was only a marginal person of interest. 345 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,240 This was seen as a very significant event. 346 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,120 If he is really the killer of Jill Dando... 347 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,040 [clamoring] 348 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:33,520 ...we have to find this man. 349 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,520 [male reporter] At Putney Bridge tube station, 350 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,160 security camera video is also being examined 351 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,080 in case it has captured her killer. 352 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,640 A killer who, it was said, may have been a hit man, 353 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,920 but uses a bus for his getaway. 354 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,320 [imperceptible] 355 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,760 [Jeff] We made a lot of inquiries. 356 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,840 You know, Daily Mirror reporters went to the area of this bus stop, 357 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,520 knocked on doors, tried to find anybody who might have seen anything. 358 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,400 But nobody that we found had seen anybody who looked like this e-fit 359 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,600 and certainly nobody came forward to us to tell us, 360 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,840 you know, any follow-up information that might be significant. 361 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,160 [camera shutters clicking] 362 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,720 My next logical thought was, 363 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,440 well, you know, most London buses have, you know, CCTV on board. 364 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,080 That'll be key for the police. 365 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,960 All they've got to do is contact London Transport, 366 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,480 find out all the buses that were within one hour 367 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,560 each side of that sighting of that man, 368 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,240 and there you are, you should have your sweating man at the bus stop. 369 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,520 [suspenseful music playing] 370 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,200 [Hamish] I sent officers to Fulham to see if there was any CCTV. 371 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,880 You know, maybe they were overwhelmed with more pressing tasks, 372 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,680 but by the time they put that request in to view the tapes, they were wiped. 373 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,040 It was a missed opportunity. 374 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:55,120 [tense music playing] 375 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,200 [Hamish] There were only 16 detectives on my murder team 376 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,120 at the start of that investigation. 377 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,640 Sixteen people were never going to complete what I needed completing. 378 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:21,360 By putting out the e-fit, we told millions and millions of people 379 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,280 about a man at a bus stop, hoping that the public could help. 380 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:26,520 Who is this man? 381 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,040 We ask if he has nothing to do with this investigation 382 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:30,880 to come forward and eliminate himself. 383 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,000 [male reporter] The main suspect is a white male 384 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,760 wearing a dark suit with neatly cut brown hair. 385 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,280 He's between 35 and 40 years old... 386 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:41,840 Some of this information may have jogged someone's memory. 387 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,440 If so, they should contact the police immediately. 388 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,920 [phone ringing] 389 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,000 [Hamish] A man phoned the inquiry room 390 00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:54,920 and stated that he looked like the e-fit. 391 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,320 He didn't say that he was responsible for killing Jill, 392 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,720 but he placed himself at the crime scene. 393 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,000 So he was a person of interest. 394 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,680 -Am I allowed to mention his name? -[man] Yep. 395 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,600 [Charlie] Shackleton, he was a strange character. 396 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:21,320 He had a blue-lighted ambulance as his mode of transport. 397 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,480 [suspenseful music playing] 398 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,440 [Hamish] He was a giant of a man. 399 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,600 He was an undertaker and he drove a hearse. 400 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,480 Shackleton had said that he was in the park 401 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,320 and he'd run out of the park because he was being chased by a man, 402 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,040 and he went to the bus stop. 403 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:50,000 That was important at that stage because we thought the sweating man, 404 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,040 e-fit person was of some importance. 405 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:55,280 So here was a man claiming to be that. 406 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,160 Because he was making those claims 407 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,720 and we couldn't address the problem without interviewing him, 408 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,440 he was arrested and a search was conducted of his house. 409 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,840 This arrest just looked like a dynamite piece of development. 410 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,600 We all thought, "Is this it? Is this going to be the evidence we need?" 411 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,320 [suspenseful music playing] 412 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,400 [Charlie] I searched his home address. 413 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,600 There was a coffin in the house. 414 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,360 [Hamish] There were some photographs, 415 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,200 there was a map of the Fulham area 416 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,120 and some BBC material, I think a letter. 417 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,960 [intriguing music playing] 418 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,840 [Jane] James Shackleton was quite a character. 419 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,080 [male reporter] The Shepherd's Bush undertaker, 420 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,200 who specialized in DSS funerals... 421 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,400 [James] I'm making a baby's coffin. 422 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,720 {\an8}In fact, I've got to make two, one here and one there. 423 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:04,280 {\an8}He said he was in the area collecting wood to make coffins. 424 00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:06,000 So, I mean, who does that? 425 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,560 [James] They said that I had a fascination for Jill Dando 426 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,840 and I was stalking her and all that stuff. 427 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,560 I said, "You're barking up the wrong tree, mate." 428 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,840 I said, "Well, I'm gay myself." Uh, I said, "I don't, um..." 429 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,960 I said, "But as for your DC, [laughing] well, he's more my cup of tea," 430 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,160 sort of thing. 431 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,320 [Jane] He was a bit of a fantasist. 432 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,080 He'd sort of fashioned himself as a member of the aristocracy, 433 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,480 uh, bogusly, I might add. 434 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,800 I was sweating and out of breath, as you can imagine, 435 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,800 I'd just done half a marathon. 436 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,440 Mr. Shackleton was identified as somebody who was a liar. 437 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,400 Had previously thought to involve himself in other murder investigations. 438 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,280 He was bailed out of the police station and then eliminated from the inquiry. 439 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,600 Well, I can confirm that, uh, I was certainly not the man 440 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,360 responsible for Jill Dando's death. 441 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,120 [on TV] I probably do look a bit like the e-fit. 442 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,160 It's dragged on a bit now, hasn't it? 443 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,440 And they are grasping at straws. 444 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,960 [Ian] Clearly, one of the mistakes made in the inquiry 445 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,400 was the publication of the e-fit. 446 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,400 The publication of the picture led to a lot of additional 447 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,000 and, to be honest, unnecessary, work 448 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,480 with people phoning in to say that this looks like so-and-so. 449 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,040 If today you google Jill Dando e-fit suspect... 450 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:47,520 This man is the one outside Jill Dando's house on the mobile phone. 451 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,720 ...a picture will come up of someone that was never a suspect. 452 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,320 It was a poor choice to release the e-fit 453 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,480 because it distracted the inquiry for many months. 454 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,640 But the media pressure was so great that there were some from our press office 455 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,480 and other senior officers and suggestions, 456 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,440 just give them something, let's put this out. 457 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,680 And I think that was an error. 458 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,760 My private thinking was, we were heading in the right direction. 459 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:22,680 Jill Dando's murder was the work of some loner. 460 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:32,600 [crowd] Eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one. 461 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,240 [crowd cheering] 462 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,280 -[clock chiming] -[firecrackers bursting] 463 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,840 [Nigel] It was the dawn of a new millennium, 464 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,120 and we still had the shadow hanging over us 465 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,160 that, uh, Jill's killer still hadn't been caught. 466 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,320 And that you knew that the longer this police inquiry went on, 467 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,000 the more likely it was that whoever killed Jill would get away with it. 468 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,240 [gripping music playing] 469 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,280 [Jane] The police, who desperately wanted to solve this crime, were at a standstill. 470 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,560 Many investigations take a lot more than 12 months, two years, 471 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,880 and if that's the way it is, then that's the way it is. 472 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,040 [Jane] There comes a point in any police investigation, 473 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:15,320 and in particularly the case of Jill Dando, 474 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,280 that a certain amount of frustration starts to creep in. 475 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,320 Already they'd looked at Jill's personal life, 476 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,920 that had been ruled out. 477 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,880 They'd looked at all the multiple sightings. 478 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,280 They'd eliminated multiple Range Rovers. 479 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:33,120 They'd spent hundreds of thousands on surveillance, 480 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,720 and the Serbian connection seemed to have dried up. 481 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,040 We were nowhere. 482 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,320 [Hamish] I was thinking, "Well, where do we go from now?" 483 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,400 Well, we're gonna have to go back to the beginning, really. 484 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:52,400 A belief that an answer sometimes lies in the system, but we've already missed. 485 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,680 [keyboard clacking] 486 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,800 It was my role to go through all the information 487 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:05,960 that was on the system to identify those messages that needed a follow-up. 488 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,320 {\an8}[gripping music playing] 489 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,480 [man] There's a man who lives on Crookham Road. 490 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:14,880 Quite tall, about 5'11". 491 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,920 [woman] A man with mental health problems visited our center. 492 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,760 He's around 39 years old with short dark hair. 493 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,680 [Ian] There were thousands of people who hadn't, at that time, 494 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,120 been eliminated from the inquiry. 495 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,040 I managed to get this down to a few hundred. 496 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,840 [man] How long did that take? 497 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,680 Fucking ages. 498 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,120 [chuckles] Um... 499 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,240 [gripping music playing] 500 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,360 [female reporter] Despite the huge police operation, 501 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,160 there's no sign of a breakthrough. 502 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,960 The reward for information leading to the murderer has now risen 503 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,160 to a quarter of a million pounds. 504 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,680 [Jane] It was the biggest reward in criminal history 505 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,160 in this country at the time. 506 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:59,120 It was a huge amount of money and if that was going to persuade anybody 507 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,800 to come forward, that would have done it. 508 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,920 But there were no takers. 509 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,000 And I thought that was really significant. 510 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,440 That the most likely explanation for this 511 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,680 is only one person in the whole world knows who did this. 512 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,480 And that's the person who did it. 513 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,480 There he is again, not a sound. Just like being burgled, but in reverse. 514 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,360 Jill never spoke to me about being frightened 515 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,800 or scared of anyone or anything. 516 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,520 But it is part and parcel of being a presence on television. 517 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,120 A star as she was, you get a lot of unwanted attention. 518 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,760 You get strange people writing to you. 519 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,400 People who are obsessed with you. 520 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,000 [Bob] People, uh, were always interested in Jill. 521 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,920 There would have been a flood of people writing. They really liked her. 522 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,480 Peter, it says you're a big fan of Jill Dando. 523 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,080 -I am. She's lovely. -She's wonderful? 524 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,840 -You got any pictures of her? -No. 525 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,120 Well, let's get one right now. Jill Dando, ladies and gentlemen. 526 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,960 [audience applauding] 527 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,600 [Bob] They saw her as a daughter, but they loved her face, 528 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,680 they liked the girl next door about her, 529 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,440 how attractive she was, how well she did her job. 530 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,400 They wrote the most affectionate letters. Some of them actually tried to meet her. 531 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,320 Was there anybody out there who felt that she had let them down somehow? 532 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,400 Some very strange character who thought 533 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,880 that she deserved what later happened to her? 534 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,800 [Hamish] Another marker that it was the work of a loner 535 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,880 was the nature of the weapon. 536 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,680 [female reporter] The weapon, a 9mm pistol similar to this one, has never been found. 537 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,080 It's the brass casing from the bullet recovered near her body 538 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,920 which could hold the clue to the killer's identity. 539 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,920 Six markings have been made by hand using one tool 540 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,960 around the top of the cartridge casing. 541 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,120 The gun was not actually a substantive 9mm firearm. 542 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,000 It was either a reactivated weapon you can lay your hands on 543 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,480 or a starting pistol converted. 544 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:06,080 The casing of the bullet had six indentations 545 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,760 around the top part of the rim. 546 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,800 So that was crimping to hold the bullet in the cartridge case. 547 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:21,160 But this was not manufactured crimping, this was handmade. 548 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,800 Each crimp mark was of a different level of pressure. 549 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,840 It had an element of homemade-ness to it. 550 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,960 Does anybody recognize those markings? 551 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,960 Have they handled ammunition 552 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,800 before the event or after the event with markings like that? 553 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,720 [Hamish] We knew from the first day from the nature of the injury to her head 554 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,520 and the muzzle mark of the gun 555 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,440 had impacted and imprinted itself on the head 556 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,120 and there was some small bruising on her arm, her forearm, as well. 557 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,520 That didn't strike me as a quick assassination 558 00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,080 and tried to avoid contact, blood transference, hair transference. 559 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,640 The fact that the person had approached Jill and touched her, 560 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:10,120 right into her space to kill her, didn't indicate, for me, 561 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,480 that this was a professional execution. 562 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,560 [gripping music playing] 563 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,440 [keyboards clacking] 564 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,480 [Ian] Several of the messages that came in in the first few days of the inquiry 565 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,600 now seem to relate to the same person. 566 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,840 [man 1] A man came in asking if we could verify 567 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,880 that he was at a cab company yesterday. 568 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,160 He specifically asked me if I could remember what he was wearing. 569 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,720 He lived in Crookham Road, 570 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,120 which was a very short distance from Gowan Avenue. 571 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,760 [man 2] His name is Barry Bulsara. 572 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,120 [woman] Today, he called again, 573 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,000 asking for the exact time he was there on Monday. 574 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,040 He said it was for his solicitor. 575 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,080 He was obviously identifying himself 576 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,720 and wanting to know his alibi for the day of the Jill Dando murder. 577 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,640 We had started work on the background to Bulsara 578 00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:14,960 and it had shown that he had got a previous conviction. 579 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,199 But that was not his real name. 580 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,960 We had been trying to find him to take a witness statement. 581 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,760 Eventually, detectives went to the unemployment benefit office. 582 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,719 That's where we met him and commenced the first interview 583 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,400 and spoke with him about the matter. 584 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,960 And that man was Barry George. 585 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,560 [gripping music playing] 586 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,040 How would I describe Barry George? 587 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,520 I thought his behavior was dysfunctional. 588 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:49,960 He was always being someone else. He was using personas, celebrity names. 589 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,360 Paul Gadd is the real name of Gary Glitter. 590 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,920 [imperceptible] 591 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,120 Those names of Gadd, Bulsara were the names 592 00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:01,320 under which Barry George had previously been convicted 593 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,960 and was known to the police. 594 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:12,240 George had received a conviction for attempted rape in the name of Gadd. 595 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,680 And he had also received a conviction for an indecent assault on a woman. 596 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,560 I just thought it was very interesting to have a man living so close by 597 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,080 with the background that we had started to understand about him 598 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,000 being the very person who was the subject of two, three, four phone calls 599 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,600 in the first month of the murder. 600 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,280 So, authority was given to put him under full 24-hour surveillance. 601 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,120 [intriguing music playing] 602 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,680 {\an8}He did fit that category of a loner. 603 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,000 He was unemployed and he really just wandered around. 604 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,240 He spent all his day wandering the street, 605 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,560 approaching people, approaching women. 606 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,160 If it wasn't stalking, it was following. 607 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:09,400 [camera shutter clicks] 608 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,720 His obsessive behavior presented as troubling features 609 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,520 which I thought we needed to... to move on very quickly. 610 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,920 They authorized a search warrant of his house 611 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,600 and officers went to the premises to search it. 612 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,560 [gripping music playing] 613 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,160 So myself and two officers went to his home address, 614 00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:38,840 knocked on the door repeatedly. 615 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,920 There was no answer, so we forced the door open. 616 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,040 [officer] These sacks on the left, is that some of the detritus from his bedroom? 617 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,880 [tense music playing] 618 00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:06,440 [Charlie] It smelt. It was chaotic. 619 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,720 In the main bedroom, there were black bin liners stacked up. 620 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,880 Clearly the rubbish hadn't been taken out for a very long time, if ever. 621 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,000 [camera shutter clicking] 622 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,320 Newspapers strewn all over the room. 623 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,720 There were ants and there were all sorts of things on the kitchen surfaces. 624 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:34,720 There was, uh, excrement around the flat, piles of it. 625 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,040 If you put that scene in a movie, you wouldn't believe it 626 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,040 because you would think, [scoffs] "No, this is too much." 627 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,120 It... It's over exaggerated. But it was real. 628 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:57,360 You've got to ask, what kind of mind is this person that lives there? 629 00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,800 [dog barking distantly] 630 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,200 We were clearly looking for firearms. Clothing we were looking for. 631 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,640 Literature in relation to Jill Dando. 632 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:10,680 [camera shutter clicking rapidly] 633 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,680 We found a three-quarter length coat, 634 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,680 which was very similar to the one that witnesses had described. 635 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,080 We found part of a gun holster. 636 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,640 We found a handwritten list of firearms. 637 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:31,520 We recovered a lot of undeveloped film. 638 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,320 {\an8}We found a number of magazines relating to firearms, 639 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,600 relating to martial arts. 640 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,280 News media coverage of Jill Dando. 641 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,920 [suspenseful music playing] 642 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,200 [camera shutter clicks] 643 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,760 [Hamish] It certainly presented as very suspicious material recovered 644 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,960 from a man within half a mile of Gowan Avenue. 645 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,720 But there was no material found which was a direct link 646 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,160 between George and the crime scene or the murder of Jill Dando. 647 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,720 I was really concerned that we were going to be 100% right. 648 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,320 Because whoever we arrested 649 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,800 was going to be the subject of such scrutiny and oversight. 650 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,000 So I was determined that everything we did was correct. 651 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,560 It was essential to complete as much as possible before he was arrested. 652 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,320 [Charlie] During the course of the search of Mr. George's flat, 653 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,680 we recovered a lot of undeveloped film. 654 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:38,640 I took them to our photographic branch to be developed. 655 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:41,000 Clearly we needed to see what was on them. 656 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:45,560 [Hamish] I remember looking at all these photographs. 657 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,800 And when I looked there were just hundreds of different women. 658 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,280 [camera shutter clicking] 659 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,880 [unsettling music playing] 660 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,200 Women in the park, women in the street. 661 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,800 {\an8}A lot of them were photographs of women from behind. 662 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,520 Some of them were from a distance. 663 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,640 One of them was also from a woman in Gowan Avenue, 664 00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:09,560 right next door to number 29. 665 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,800 And in amongst them was a picture of Barry George 666 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,320 holding a handgun and wearing a gas mask. 667 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,520 That was sent back to the laboratory for immediate analysis of it. 668 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,280 And the gun expert at the laboratory, 669 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,560 he told us that it appeared to be 670 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,440 an 8mm Bruni firing gun. 671 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,520 One of the types of firearms that it was reported killed Jill Dando. 672 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,160 [male reporter] Police know the weapon used in the murder 673 00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:51,640 was a semi-automatic handgun similar to this one. 674 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,600 [Hamish] I declared that George was a suspect 675 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,160 for the murder of Jill Dando. 676 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,920 And the date finally settled on was on the 25th of May 677 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,520 was the plan for his arrest. 678 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,560 [male reporter] Police hunting the killer of the television presenter, Jill Dando, 679 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,360 have been holding a man all day on suspicion of murder. 680 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,800 He was arrested shortly after dawn. Detectives say it's highly significant. 681 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,120 -[interrogator] Did you kill Jill Dando? -No, sir. 682 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:25,840 [sighs] 683 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,720 -[woman] A little bit of water? -[Barry] Definitely, yeah. 684 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:32,760 Thank you. 685 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,440 [woman] So, Barry, are you all right? 686 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,000 -Mm-hmm. -Feeling okay? 687 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:38,600 Um... 688 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,720 [breathing heavily] 689 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,800 [somber music playing] 61474

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