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The following programme contains
violent scenes, sexual references,
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and explores the
theme of racism.
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(FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING)
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Christopher Lee, tall,
handsome, elegant.
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Very aristocratic.
A little stiff.
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Slightly pompous. Imperious.
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Stilted, a little
un-forthcoming.
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He was a powerful individual.
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Everyone will always
remember him as Dracula
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because he was a
powerful Dracula.
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Consistent aura around him, which
was of a certain kind of dignity
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and a certain kind of scariness
and a certain kind of...
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"Ooh, he must be scary
to meet," kind of thing.
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People when they-sometimes they
say, "You always play villains,
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you always play the bad guy,"
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He said, "No, I play people.
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Good and evil is a state of mind.
Depends on which side you are on."
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He was, I think, soft as putty.
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That's what's so
interesting about monsters,
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that you gotta
remember, people forget,
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but most monsters are victims.
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(IMITATING LEE) How do you
do? I'm Christopher Lee.
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How do you do? I'm
Christopher Lee.
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How do you do? I'm
Christopher Lee.
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How do you do? I'm
Christopher Lee.
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How do you do? I'm
Christopher Lee.
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On the 7th of June
in the year 2015,
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I passed away at the age of 93.
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To some, this might seem
like a defining moment,
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but not me. Oh, no.
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By then I had become
quite accustomed to dying.
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You might even have called
it my stock-in-trade.
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(JAUNTY MYSTERIOUS MUSIC)
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(EXPLOSION, MUSIC STOPS)
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'When I was born on
the 27th of May, 1922,
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'I was a new chapter in the
story of the Italian aristocratic
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'Carandini family.'
(MEDIEVAL FLUTE MUSIC)
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'Records of the House of Carandini
stretch back to the 12th century.
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'Here, you see our coat of arms
awarded to us in the 15th century
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'by Frederick Barbarossa,
Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire.
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'Our noble lineage could be traced
directly back to Charlemagne.
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'But let's not
dally with detail.
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'For as impressive a list
of soldiers, governors,
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'senators, and clergymen the
Carandini tree may offer up,
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'our time is short,
and our subject is me.
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'Of this mighty family tree,
at the time of my birth,
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'a sapling had been growing quite
admirably in London, for some years.
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'My maternal grandfather
was the Count Carandini
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'and my mother, his only child,
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'the Contessa Estelle
Marie Carandini di Sarzano.
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'My mother was an
Edwardian beauty
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'and in her youth,
a muse to many.
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'She was painted, sketched,
sculpted, and etched,
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'desired by many,
but landed by one.
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'Lieutenant Colonel Jeffrey Lee
of the King's Royal Rifle Corps,
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'a hero of the Boer
War and the Great War,
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'survivor of the Somme.'
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Quite late on in life, I got
a book called, "Il Carandini"
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and they looked like a lot
of rogues... (CHUCKLES)
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sort of the Mafia of their day.
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But you know, to get-
the cynical view is that
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to keep a title for
700 years or something,
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you've got to have killed
a lot of people. (CHUCKLES)
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'I grew up in the shadow of
achievement and nobility.
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'And as a child, wondered if
I would be able to live up
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'to the remarkable lives of
those who had preceded me.
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'I was, at heart, a wanderer.
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'As was my Papa who
wandered away from us
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'when I was just four-years-old,
never to return.'
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His mother was very strict, and
he had a very uptight upbringing.
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You know? So, he was a bit naive
in certain-in certain ways.
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There I am. I look like
quite a normal boy, don't I?
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And in many ways I was.
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Equally anxious and arrogant,
but my childhood was unique.
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We were sprung once more into high
society when my mother remarried.
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My stepfather was a small
but exceedingly strong man
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known as Ingle. He was
a banker and bon viveur.
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'To celebrate their union, I was
swiftly dispatched to boarding school
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'in the hope that they might whip me
into shape to be accepted into Eton.
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'One could hardly describe
me as a star student,
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'but the desire to please
consumed and overwhelmed me.
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'So, it is perhaps no surprise that
I was to end up on the school stage.
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'Mother, Ingle, and my sister
Xandra made the journey
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'for the first night of the
school production of Henry V.
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'And they all excitedly agreed
that a bright future in acting
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'awaited the proud young boy
playing the eponymous lead.
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'Sadly, that boy was not me.
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'But I loved the stage and I was
an obstinate little so-and-so.'
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Perhaps my time would've been better
spent on the study of mathematics,
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for it was that, along with a
downturn in Ingle's finances
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which would lead me away
from the path to Eton.
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Instead, at 14, I was enrolled
in Wellington College.
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Wellington was a
military establishment,
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and, I suppose much like the rest
of the public schools of the day,
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but with the addition
of endless polishing.
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The smell of Brasso
haunts my nostrils still.
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If you've got some sensitivity
and you've got a sort of,
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for want of a better
word, an artistic soul,
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and you're pushed through the
British public school system
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as a male...
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it can absolutely kill that.
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There's such a strong ethic
in that schooling that,
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about what it is or
is not to be a man.
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And I think right down in his
heart, this is my intuition,
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there's absolutely nothing
to bear this up, it's just...
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it's just sense. He
was very feminine.
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And... very sensitive.
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And I feel that he didn't quite know
how to express that side of him.
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'What awaited me as I
aged out of Wellington,
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'was likely an
Oxbridge education
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'followed by a career in
international diplomacy.
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'I was practically bred for it.
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'By this stage, my French, German
and Russian were already rather good.
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'But something happened.
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'Ingle went bust, bankrupt,
to the sum of £25,000.
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'He left my mother and
faded into the distance.'
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I never knew his
father, my grandfather,
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and I never knew
his step-father.
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Both those father figures had sort
of disappeared out of his life,
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and that explains quite
a lot about him as well,
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because he didn't
have a father around.
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It was his mother's
influence that he took away
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into the world much more.
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'At 19-years-old,
unsure of my future,
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'I found myself in Paris.
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'Early one morning a friend
dragged me to Versailles.
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'There was something
he wanted me to see.
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'We arrived to an open square,
steadily filling with people.
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'Dawn broke over the scene
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'and I realised that the
focus of the amassed crowd
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'was Madame Guillotine.
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'In that instant, a
man was marched out,
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'Eugen Weidmann.
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'He had murdered six
people in cold blood.
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'Within 30 seconds
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'he had been whisked off his
feet, bound, punched in the gut,
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'placed on the monstrous contraption
and adjusted into position.
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'The blade fell and I
failed to look away.
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'I was sickened to my soul.
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'I watched the gleeful crowd
clamour to dip their handkerchiefs
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'into his warm blood
as a grizzly souvenir.'
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He had witnessed
the last execution
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in France with a guillotine.
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So, he was obsessed
with executions.
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And he kept execution
memorabilia.
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"This is the rope that was used
to hang, I don't know who."
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(BOTH CHUCKLE) "Who
gave you that?"
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"That was Pierpoint,
gave it to me.
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I'm gonna leave it in
my will to Roger Moore."
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I remember that he wrote,
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"I am leaving you the rope
that was used to hang...
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King I-Don't-Know-What that my
friend Pierpoint passed over to me.
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I would like you to have it."
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I don't think
Roger Moore got it.
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I now suspected my friend was
trying to dispel my naivete
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and ready me for the
brutalities of war.
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Because within weeks
the party was over
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and all of a sudden,
the Germans were coming.
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I returned to London.
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'On the 3rd of September,
Chamberlain declared we were at war.
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'Keen to reveal myself a hero,
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'I immediately reported
to the war office,
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'who had no apparent
need for me.'
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So, I took a job in the city
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and grew accustomed to the
noises of the war at home.
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(EXPLOSIONS)
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And then, I heard
something even worse.
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I heard that my wayward Papa was in
hospital with a terminal diagnosis.
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He was barely 60.
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It was, I suppose, to honour him
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that I swiftly decided
again to enlist
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and join the war abroad.
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(SHIP HORN BLARES)
(SEAGULL CAWING)
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'I couldn't face the army,
so I took to the skies.'
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(DRAMATIC MUSIC)
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'Six weeks by sea and
one by train brought us
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'to flight training in
Rhodesia, far from enemy fire.
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'South Africa was paradise.
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'Behind the controls of an open
cockpit Tiger Moth, I felt alive!
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'In the shimmering heat
haze of a dusty afternoon,
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'we would stall, spin,
and loop our paths
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'to becoming
fully-fledged pilots.
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'During my final
accompanied flight,
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'my head filled with fire and
I went blind in my left eye.
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'I was diagnosed with an
unreliable optic nerve.
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'My dreams of flight
were put paid to.
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Following this, I rather expected
my war to be a dull clerical affair
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but then I found myself in
an operational squadron,
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and my role was that of... spy.
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'Five missions a
day was our average
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'and with our robust
fighter bombers, the P-40s,
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'we outclassed the German
Luftwaffe every time.
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'Well, except once.
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'We were in Tunisia,
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'and I was standing on the airstrip
assessing the skies first-hand.
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'As I turned around, I was faced
with a sheer wall of flame.
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'Above it, four German ME-109s
heading directly for me.
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'I sprinted, completely exposed,
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'looking for somewhere
to dive for cover.
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'The bombs couldn't have been
more than 150 yards away.
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'I could feel the heat
singe my neck hair.
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'The final bomb
landed within range,
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'and the blast rent asunder
the ground behind me.
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'The debris created was
as if fired by shotgun,
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'targeted almost
entirely to my buttocks.
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'Within 10 minutes,
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'I was being debriefed in
both senses of the word.
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'I could not sit
down for two days.
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'And had I been able, I suspect I
would not have been permitted to.
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'This raid was my failing.
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'I would not fail again.'
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As the war ended, there was
still important work to be done.
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My next posting was to serve
with the Central Registry
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of War Crimes and
Security Suspects.
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A position which
sounds almost clerical
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but became known somewhat
more grandly as Nazi Hunter.
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The adventures I had during this
period remain highly classified.
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I could relate to
you a story or two,
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but sadly I would
have to kill you.
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And we don't want that, do we?
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There is some mystery
attached to his work
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during the war and
immediately after it.
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A lot of that I think, has to
do with the Official Secrets Act
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and the fact that Lee
himself was, you know,
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not willing to open up about
it to any great degree.
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And I think it has actually
created a great deal of confusion.
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I know a bit.
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Because he spoke perfect
German, perfect French,
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and perfect Italian, he was
involved with a lot of sabotage
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and working with partisans
behind the enemy lines
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and also in targeted
assassinations.
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Which, of course, the
British government
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doesn't know anything about.
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He was very intense.
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There were some things he just-
he didn't want to get into,
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but it marked him,
the experiences.
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But I gave him shit. I mean,
I always wanted to know.
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"Tell me about the
war." "John, I can't."
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"Come on!" You know? "Tell me
about the war. Come on, Chris!"
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(CHUCKLES) You know? And I
always gave him a hard time.
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And one day we were at...
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a restaurant in Sloane Square
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and he had had several
glasses of wine
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and he wasn't tipsy,
245
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but he was a little loose.
246
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And I said, "Chris...
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this is the perfect moment.
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Tell me about your
war experiences."
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He said, "You know I can't."
And I said, "Come on.
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Who am I gonna tell, Chris?"
And I kept giving him shit.
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And then finally he said,
"John," and he leaned forward.
252
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To be suddenly imposing, he
leaned forward and he said,
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"Can you keep a secret?"
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So of course, I lean
forward and go, "Yes."
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And he said...
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"So can I."
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SERAFINOWICZ: (AS LEE) 'I
arrived back in London,
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'like so many of my generation,
to find that civilian life
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'had far less use for me
than the military had.
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'With a new blue suit
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and half a pound of shrapnel
forever embedded in my buttocks,
262
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'I slowly explored my options
263
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'and ravenously accepted
all invitations to lunch.
264
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'One such invitation came from
my mother's cousin, Nicolo,
265
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'the Italian Ambassador
to Great Britain.
266
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'Amidst my drunken tales
and impersonations,
267
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'Nicolo said simply, "Why don't
you become an actor, Christopher?"
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'So, that was that.
269
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'It was immediately apparent
to me that he was right.
270
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'Before I even had
a chance to fail,
271
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'Nicolo arranged a meeting
for me with his friend
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'who worked with The
Rank Organisation.'
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I suppose if you were
being uncharitable,
274
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you could say that there was
a touch of almost nepotism
275
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involved in Lee's entry
into the film industry.
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So, it was all very
easy. But I think...
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in the immediate post-war
years, it didn't last very long,
278
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but the British film
industry was at its zenith.
279
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And I think there
was a great hunger,
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particularly after the
war, to create new stars.
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And so, as a result, Lee
was packed off to the...
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to The Rank Charm School,
as it became known.
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Which had an expressed...
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wish to create British,
285
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and hopefully later, as they
put it, international stars.
286
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'To Worthing we were sent to fill
out the lower half of the cast lists
287
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'of a provincial
repertory theatre.
288
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'And admittedly, many
lessons were learned
289
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'which would shape
me as an actor.
290
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'The first time I trod the
boards was as Roberto the Butler,
291
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'in The Constant Nymph.
292
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'I gave it my all. I
buttled relentlessly.
293
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'More than this, I acted.
294
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'I acted my young heart out.
295
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'When one of the principal characters
cried, I shed a tear with them.
296
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'When one laughed, I laughed too
as if my sides were splitting.
297
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'I responded to every word of
that script as I felt right.
298
00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,039
'From my place in the
background, I projected outrage,
299
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'good humour,
surprise, and bonhomie.
300
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'The curtain fell for the interval
and the director took me aside.
301
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'I couldn't tell whether
he was laughing or crying,
302
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,440
'but either way, he left me in
no doubt as to my transgression.
303
00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,559
'I had upstaged the
entire production.
304
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'My feelings were terribly hurt,
305
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'and I was greatly embarrassed.
306
00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,879
'I was, however, vindicated
when the reviews came in.
307
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'The critics singled me out as
having provided welcome light relief.
308
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'By day in Highbury,
309
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'we learned Stanislavsky's
method of physical action.
310
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'We fenced, we
pranced, we raged,
311
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'and we paraded the old church
hall with books upon our heads.
312
00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,959
'Of course, no directors had the
slightest interest in using us
313
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'for more than background
and stand-ins for the talent.
314
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'But this in itself was film set
experience and therefore useful.
315
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'I was 24 when I gave my
first performance on film,
316
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'a kindness extended to me
by director Terence Young,
317
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'who overcame the standard
reason for my rejection,
318
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'the issue of my height,
by keeping me seated.
319
00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,079
'The film was
Corridor of Mirrors.
320
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'I had one line and it was a
withering barb against the lead.'
321
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Take a look. Standing in
the entrance, Lord Byron.
322
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'To some degree, in that
moment, my die was cast.
323
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'The nucleus of my celluloid id,
324
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'upper class, educated,
loquacious, and disdainful.
325
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'Soon after, Rank decided
to give its company of youth
326
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'an accelerant boost.
327
00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,799
'Rather than scattering us in small
roles across its bigger releases,
328
00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,639
'it would give us all big
roles in our own tiny release.
329
00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,079
'It was, of course,
a horrible idea.
330
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'None of us were nearly ready
enough to carry an entire feature
331
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'and, had it not been compulsory
to attend the premiere
332
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'on the Tottenham Court Road,
333
00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,279
'I'm sure all of us would have
preferred to be elsewhere.
334
00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,159
'It was, however, my first time
in the role of chief antagonist,
335
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'the bad guy.
336
00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:19,999
'Sadly, the only thing more
diabolical than my character's intent
337
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'was the performance of
the actor inhabiting it.
338
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(OVERLAPPING SINGING
'GOOD KING WENCESLAS')
339
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'Such was the British film
industry in those days
340
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'that even this early on
I was at least working,
341
00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:38,520
'and my star was
arguably rising.
342
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,799
'Scott of the Antarctic
was a generously-budgeted
343
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'Ealing production.
344
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'It starred John Mills as
the legendary explorer,
345
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'and I was one of
his ill-fated team.
346
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,079
'Not unlike the
explorer I portrayed,
347
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'I would also shortly
be out in the cold.'
348
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,559
I'm afraid that's it, Sir.
349
00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,559
'I was told by my benefactors
at Rank that I was too tall
350
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'and too foreign-looking
to be a film star,
351
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'and I was out on my ear.
352
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,199
'My 1950s would be a mixed
bag of quite small roles
353
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,279
'in quite big films.
354
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,560
'But then there were also the
small roles in small films.
355
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,559
'And then there were
the uncredited roles.'
356
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,119
These years were not
without their high points.
357
00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,079
'I parried with Errol Flynn.'
358
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LANDIS: He was
quite a good fencer.
359
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,959
Although how many people have told
you when Chris would go like this,
360
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,119
he'd say, and he'd point
at his damaged finger
361
00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:33,560
and he'd say, "Errol
Flynn did that to me."
362
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Which he did in a duel
in some movie. (CHUCKLES)
363
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Errol Flynn, you know...
was not an excellent fencer.
364
00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:43,959
But these were not roles that
I could... (CLEARS THROAT)
365
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,000
get my teeth into.
366
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,199
It was a living,
and it was work.
367
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,799
The notion of film acting,
especially in Britain at that time,
368
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,759
as being in any way glamorous or
indicative of a luxurious lifestyle,
369
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,839
is entirely false.
370
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,079
Back then, maybe still
today, I don't know,
371
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,119
there's a slight whiff of
disreputability, if that's a word,
372
00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:05,999
clung to the acting thing.
373
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I think there was a bit of him
saying, "I suppose you think
374
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I'm not worthwhile because
I'm just an actor." You know?
375
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,719
Which of course that's reversed
much now, where you know,
376
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,759
you get a lot of people
go, "Oh gosh, actors."
377
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(CHUCKLES) "They're
really exciting people."
378
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,719
But in my father's day, there was
a bit of snootiness about actors.
379
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Of course, he always told the story
that when he went to his mother
380
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and announced his intention to
become an actor, and she literally,
381
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,399
in a very actressy way, she
struck a melodramatic pose
382
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and possibly, you know, the back
of the hand to the forehead,
383
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,279
and said, "An actor.
384
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,559
Oh, Christopher, just think of all
the appalling people you'll meet!"
385
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,599
'It was work.
386
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,799
'It was work, which
I generally enjoyed
387
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,799
'and work in which I became
increasingly proficient.
388
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,199
'But it was 9:00am to 6:20pm.
389
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,319
'with a 15-minute tea break
and one hour for lunch.
390
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,519
'It was a job.
391
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,839
'And seven years on a job
without notable progression
392
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,039
'would be frustrating
to anybody.
393
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,559
'But it was not just my lack of
progress which frustrated me.'
394
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,600
I really wanted to sing.
395
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,640
(SINGING MOZART'S 'THE ABDUCTION
FROM THE SERAGLIO' IN GERMAN)
396
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,919
My love for opera had blossomed.
397
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,079
And with my film
career barely advanced
398
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,039
in the best part of a decade,
399
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,439
I petitioned a professor at the
Royal College of Music for help.
400
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,040
Too tall, too foreign-looking,
and now, too old.
401
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,959
My dream was dead,
402
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,000
dead, dead.
403
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,999
But that was, I
suppose, alright,
404
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,719
death was calling me
to another destiny.
405
00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,920
It was almost time for me to be
death's emissary in modern cinema.
406
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,719
Now, to understand the
story of my Dracula,
407
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,360
you have to understand
the story of Hammer.
408
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,479
'Hammer was a film production
company which, by the mid-50s',
409
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,799
'had been around
some two decades.
410
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,719
'It had been established by
the comedian William Hines
411
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,359
'in the early '30s, a name for
his stage persona Will Hammer.'
412
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:24,119
Post-war, Hammer
Film Productions
413
00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:26,399
were devoted to second features.
414
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,279
Yes, what would previously have
been called Quota Quickies.
415
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,359
They began, really, with
very forward thinking.
416
00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:36,520
They began by adapting already
popular BBC radio subjects.
417
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,159
But in among all that,
they also got together
418
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,479
with an American producer
called Robert Lippert,
419
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,439
and they started
making second features
420
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,279
that were aimed, quite specifically,
at the American market.
421
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,119
Robert Lippert would send
over fading American actors,
422
00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:52,119
and they would be
leads in the pictures,
423
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:54,199
which would allow
a sale in America.
424
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,159
And so, there was a whole series
of pictures that Hammer had done,
425
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,399
which are, you know, not bad
pictures but not exemplary.
426
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,599
But they didn't make
much of a splash.
427
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,599
Curious little films,
428
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,199
which nowadays are very often
identified as Neo-noirs.
429
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,279
To some degree they were
certainly were that.
430
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,999
But of course, the
question mark was,
431
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,039
how long could you
continue in that vein?
432
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,119
They needed a kind of
new hook, a new formula.
433
00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:18,960
And well, it came
along in the mid-'50s.
434
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,279
'Hammer was always in
search of that golden goose,
435
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,919
'which they eventually found
436
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,959
'when they turned their
hand to the macabre.
437
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,959
'Having adapted the BBC's
Quatermass Xperiment
438
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,839
'to film in 1955, it
became very evident
439
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,400
'that scary films might be
where their fortune lay.'
440
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,120
(DRAMATIC MUSIC) (SCREAMS)
441
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,239
'What better subject
matter to begin with
442
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,080
'than that of Baron
Frankenstein and his creature?
443
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,119
'Peter Cushing was cast in
the lead role as Frankenstein,
444
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:51,239
'but who was to
play his creature?
445
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,399
'Where might they find
a tall, odd-looking soul
446
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,160
'with the chops to
pull off such a role?
447
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,399
'Oh, yes!'
448
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,239
RIGBY: In the case of Lee, they had
a man for The Curse of Frankenstein,
449
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,239
who fulfilled the
basic casting brief,
450
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,119
which was a very tall
man with a knowledge of
451
00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:12,880
and skill in movement and mime.
452
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,719
And, uh... And that was
Lee to a T, if you like.
453
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,879
'Now, I did not go
into this lightly.
454
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,239
'I was aware of the greatest risk
of becoming a monster player.
455
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,479
'That of typecasting.
456
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,439
'My dear friend, Boris Karloff,
457
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,039
'argued that to be a type was
to always be in employment.
458
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,359
'And considering his quarter century
in the wilderness as an actor,
459
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,119
'he really was qualified
to talk on the matter.
460
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:42,079
'He had acted in over 80 films
before his performance as the monster
461
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,639
'for Universal Pictures launched
him into the stratosphere.
462
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,719
'Crucially, he was also
tall and foreign-looking.
463
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,879
'So, I took the role.
464
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,679
'I wouldn't say it did the same
for me as it did for Boris,
465
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,919
'but it was a
satisfying experience
466
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,839
'and the film performed
remarkably well.'
467
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,839
Hammer didn't really
have an identity
468
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,639
until The Curse of Frankenstein,
469
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,919
where it said, "A
Hammer Film Production."
470
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,759
And we remembered that and
that became... a calling card.
471
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,999
What's interesting is that
it's a very well made movie.
472
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,639
He played it like somebody
with a... with a damaged brain.
473
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,719
It was described in
the British press
474
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,919
as looking like a road accident,
which is not entirely untrue.
475
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,039
It's a strange effect that
he had as the creature
476
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,039
because he looked so hideous
and yet there was a sort of-
477
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,719
there was a kind of
forlorn quality about him.
478
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,439
In part because of that,
479
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,920
but also because he was just
such a remarkable physical actor.
480
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,639
He was very sympathetic,
although he was really terrifying
481
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,919
and I had nightmares
for a long time.
482
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,439
'Yes, it courted controversy
with its violence and gore,
483
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,439
'but this was tempered by a
favourable critical response.'
484
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,079
And it really put Hammer Films
on the map internationally
485
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,599
because it was a huge hit, even
though it didn't cost a great deal.
486
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,959
But it looked good and the
acting was obviously top-notch
487
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:03,199
because they had British players
and nobody made fun of it,
488
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,959
nobody sent it up.
489
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,239
It was all done
completely straight
490
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,879
and that made it
even more compelling.
491
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,559
FILM NARRATOR: His unwilling
collaborator was Paul Krempe.
492
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,600
I can't prove you murdered him.
493
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,239
But I can stop you
using his brain.
494
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,119
Why? He has no
further use for it.
495
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:22,639
Don't be a fool! Be careful!
496
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,639
You'll damage it!
497
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,319
Only two women ever
entered this house of evil.
498
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,839
Elizabeth! Come back!
499
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,480
(DRAMATIC MUSIC)
500
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,319
'Did this lead to my
most iconic casting?
501
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,040
'Actually, no. At
least, not directly.'
502
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,279
SERAFINOWICZ: (AS LEE) 'Following
Frankenstein, I scored a plum role
503
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,840
'in a lavish remake of
A Tale of Two Cities.
504
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,559
'This was a big movie.'
505
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,959
FILM NARRATOR: Betty
Box and Ralph Thomas,
506
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,279
whose names have been
associated with the very best
507
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,399
in film entertainment
for almost a decade,
508
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,359
have turned to the
ever-popular works
509
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:09,719
of Charles Dickens for
their latest, greatest film.
510
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,759
'I was to share the screen
with the likes of Dirk Bogarde
511
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,440
'and several legends whose fame
has sadly dimmed through the years.
512
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,679
'My role was that of villain,
513
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,799
'the Marquis St. Evremonde,
514
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,959
'a nasty piece of work, a
cruel, sneering aristocrat.'
515
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,840
(DRAMATIC MUSIC)
516
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,439
'This film was
also well-received
517
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,399
'and finally broke the reticence
on the part of the studios
518
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,439
'to trust me with more
significant roles.
519
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,599
'With my monstrous and aristocratic
credentials so well-established,
520
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,759
'I was finally an
obvious candidate
521
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,320
'for that delicious title
role to come my way.
522
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,719
'Eight minutes.
523
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,760
'Just eight minutes, and my
life was changed forever.
524
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,239
'My total screen time in the
whole of that first Dracula movie
525
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,280
'was just eight minutes.'
526
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,279
FILM NARRATOR: This is
the story of Dracula.
527
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,999
A creature who destroys
all whom he touches.
528
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,759
(DRAMATIC MUSIC)
529
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,799
Dracula, the
terrifying, the feared,
530
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,879
who sleeps in the tombs
of the dead by day
531
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,359
and arises at night
to inflict his terror
532
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,200
upon the innocent
and the unsuspecting.
533
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,360
(DRAMATIC MUSIC STING)
534
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,079
It was really the Dracula
movie that I think...
535
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,799
made him a household word.
536
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,199
Even though he's
not in it that much,
537
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,879
he hung over it
like a shroud and...
538
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,679
made an incredible impression.
539
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,839
I love his entrance
540
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,399
'cause you just cut to the stairs
and he comes down the stairs.
541
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,879
He says, "I am Dracula. I
welcome you to my house."
542
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,959
And it's so great!
543
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,839
Wonderful! I mean,
he's just, wow.
544
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,399
It's, you know- Do you ever
hear him talk about it?
545
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,319
"You have to bring the fire."
546
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,959
'I was recognised
everywhere I went,
547
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,959
'and it was a
certain type of fame.
548
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,559
'I don't say this out
of pride or vanity,
549
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,639
'but I had become
somewhat iconic.
550
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,839
'Meaning that, to some degree,
551
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,639
'it wouldn't matter what I now
went on to do with my life.
552
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,159
'Indeed, had I retired from
acting in that very moment,
553
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,239
'I would still, for
the rest of my life,
554
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,599
'have been recognised
on a daily basis as...'
555
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,159
FILM NARRATOR: Dracula! Bedevilled
master of all that is evil.
556
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,400
(DRAMATIC MUSIC)
557
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,559
When that film came out in
the summer of 1958, you know,
558
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,239
the impact was enormous.
559
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,599
He's suddenly appearing
in the fan magazines.
560
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,159
You know, there are lots and
lots of questions about him.
561
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,159
Picturegoer actually heads a
piece about him and calls it,
562
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,079
"Scream Boy? No! Dream
Boy." Because of course,
563
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,199
so many young women were fascinated
by his Dracula, you know?
564
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,879
Because he was an
irredeemable monster,
565
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,639
one of the most evil
Dracula's ever put on film.
566
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,519
But at the same time, of
course, he was extremely sexy.
567
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,559
FILM NARRATOR: How do
you destroy a fiend
568
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,439
who has so far proven
himself indestructible?
569
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,039
Those who come to end
his reign of terror
570
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,359
stay to become his victims.
571
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,439
Hammer suddenly became a...
572
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,479
a place for people to go to
see a certain kind of movie.
573
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,719
And that's not to
belittle the fact that
574
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,639
they were actually making other
kinds of movies at the same time,
575
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,999
but these particular Gothic
movies were especially popular.
576
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,199
'The American premiere
took place in New York
577
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,519
'where Universal threw their
full might behind its release.
578
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,759
'It was my first trip to America,
and I was quite overwhelmed.
579
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,520
'Not just by the city, but
by the clamour of the fans.
580
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,159
'Dear Peter and I damn
near destroyed our wrists
581
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,599
'with all of the
autograph signing.
582
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,719
'By that point, Mr Cushing
and I had become good friends.
583
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,399
'I think the public often
made the mistake of assuming
584
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,799
'that we were rather gloomy
people, 'humourless and severe.
585
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,519
'But nothing could have
been further from the truth.
586
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,239
'From the day we
met, Peter and I,
587
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,919
'more than anything
else, laughed.'
588
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,359
But we also did a lot
of this kind of thing...
589
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,840
(DRAMATIC MUSIC)
(BOTH GRUNTING)
590
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,760
(GROANS)
591
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,520
(DRAMATIC MUSIC BUILDING)
592
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,200
(SCREAMS)
593
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,440
(SCREAMS)
594
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,239
He and Chris became a kind of...
595
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,919
a kind of a couple in
the sense that they would
596
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,279
often end up in the
same picture together.
597
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,919
I think, I can't remember, 17, how
many pictures they did together.
598
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,879
But they were like Laurel
and Hardy, you know?
599
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,039
They were just-You would seldom
see one without the other.
600
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,039
They were like chalk and cheese.
601
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,519
Very different, different styles of
acting, different ways of acting,
602
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,639
and obviously totally
different characters,
603
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,839
but it just gelled, you know?
604
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,679
The whole thing with them gelled
605
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,679
and they had huge
respect for each other.
606
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,879
They always brought
total conviction
607
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,799
to whatever crap they were in.
608
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,160
So, if they're in a terrible
movie, they're still good.
609
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,679
You know? They're still good.
610
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,519
Do you know what
they used to do?
611
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,600
They loved Looney
Tunes cartoons.
612
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,799
Peter and Chris, and they'd get
together and watch, you know,
613
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,759
Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, and
all the classic Looney Tunes,
614
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,399
and they really knew
them. You could-
615
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,639
I was on a phone call
with the two of them
616
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,519
and they did like the whole
thing of "What's Opera, Doc?"
617
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:16,999
It was amazing.
618
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,279
'In some ways, Hammer
became a family to me,
619
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,239
'replete with all the
eccentricities, bickering,
620
00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:25,239
'resentments and frustration,
621
00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:28,120
'but also a warm, encouraging,
and friendly bunch.'
622
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,199
They tended to have the
same crews, you know?
623
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,079
They tended to have the
same DPs and the same...
624
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,439
makeup and hairdressers,
625
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,279
and so it was a nice
kind of continuity to it.
626
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,759
And all the crews knew each other
so they worked so well together.
627
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,359
And Hammer made a
lot of-not a lot,
628
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,319
but Hammer made a
number of good films.
629
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,079
And they had tremendous
success with a lot of stuff.
630
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,479
'I worked for other studios
during this period also.
631
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,319
'I was in some demand, but my
path was laid out for me now.
632
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,279
'I would be successful,
but I would be... sleazy.
633
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,919
'Any notion of romantic leads or
matinee heroes was behind me now.
634
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,839
'I had given the public and
the studios what they wanted,
635
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,839
'and that would be all
they required from me.
636
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,919
'Which is not to say there
was no room for manoeuvre,
637
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,120
'for, as I discovered, there
are so many types of sleazebag.
638
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,799
'Considering the limitation placed
on me that I always be wicked,
639
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,680
'I was rather pleased
with my range and breadth.
640
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:34,199
'Later on in the '60s, I
befriended Vincent Price.
641
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,199
'Vincent had established
himself as a gentleman of horror
642
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,159
'long before I came along.
643
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,439
'And when I did come
along, along with me,
644
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,080
'came for him the daily indignity
of being recognised as me.
645
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,759
'People would stop him
in the street and say,
646
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,799
"Mr Lee, might I
have your autograph?"
647
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,759
'But Vincent was so much
more than a horror star.
648
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,999
'He gave lectures on painting,
sculpture, and cookery.
649
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,879
'At the height of his success,
650
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,879
'he had a job on the side as
an art buyer for Sears Roebuck.
651
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,560
'Vincent knew how to enjoy
his work and enjoy his life.
652
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,719
'He enjoyed his public image
and played up to it deliciously,
653
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:12,479
'but he also took relish
in switching it off.
654
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,720
'I never heard him complain.
655
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,599
'Perhaps the one thing
that I envied him and Peter
656
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,719
'was their ability
to be so comfortable
657
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:22,679
'with the public's
perception of them.'
658
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,080
I never quite was.
659
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,039
I think for a long
time, horror fans,
660
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,359
particularly horror fans, liked
Christopher Lee the least.
661
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,439
Not because of his performances,
662
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,439
but because of his attitude to his
own performances and to the genre.
663
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,920
He sort of kidded
himself as a result.
664
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,719
In some interviews he actually
said, you know, in the late '60s,
665
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,559
as late as that, he was suggesting
that The Curse of Frankenstein
666
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,119
was the only REAL horror
film he'd been in.
667
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,519
And I think as a result, fans
found him rather ungracious,
668
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,199
which is a bit of an irony
669
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,799
because ungracious
is the one thing
670
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,880
Christopher Lee would never
want to be thought to be.
671
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,160
'And then... there was Gitte.'
672
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,240
(ROMANTIC GUITAR MUSIC)
673
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,239
'She was a painter
and a photographer.
674
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:21,839
'She modelled for
Balenciaga and Dior,
675
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,359
'and her father was a director for
the Tuborg Brewery in Copenhagen.
676
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,399
'After a couple of
missed opportunities,
677
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,799
'our paths finally crossed, and
entwined they would happily stay
678
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,000
'until the end of my life.
679
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,040
(GUITAR MUSIC CONTINUES)
680
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,799
'My fame at this point was
undoubtedly becoming global
681
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,399
'and when international
filmmakers became aware
682
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,959
'of my ability to speak in
several other languages,
683
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,119
'I found myself in demand.'
684
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,999
This was fortunate, as I
unexpectedly found myself
685
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,039
under attack from a monster
686
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,399
the likes of which Hammer
could never have envisioned.
687
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,279
He left England for Switzerland
688
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,719
as a tax refugee.
689
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,319
He came out with quite a
lot of standard, you know?
690
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,759
Conservative stuff
that it was...
691
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,799
the politics of envy
692
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,519
and this level of
taxation couldn't...
693
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,640
you know, couldn't be
maintained for any longer.
694
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,319
'With appropriate irony, the first
role I was contracted to play
695
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,519
'as a non-domicile was one of
the great fictional Englishman.
696
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,319
'It was my turn to
don the deerstalker
697
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,599
'and interpret
Sherlock Holmes...
698
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,680
'into German.'
699
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,519
(SPEAKING GERMAN)
700
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,839
'Despite my perfectly
adequate German delivery,
701
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,959
'they decided to dub my voice.'
702
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,040
(DUBBED GERMAN VOICE)
703
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,400
'From Germany to Italy.'
704
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,640
(OMINOUS MUSIC)
705
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:20,600
(FILM NARRATOR
SPEAKING IN FRENCH)
706
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,159
'The Crypt of the Vampire
was shot in Avezzano
707
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,200
'at the Castello de Balsorano.
708
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,440
'The film was good, but
the location, divine.
709
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:42,679
'I would come to know the
castles of Europe rather well
710
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,239
'as it transpired that many of the
filmmakers who wanted to work with me
711
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:48,719
'may not have wanted
me to play Dracula,
712
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:51,320
'but certainly a
derivative thereof.'
713
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,999
Going to Europe in 1962 was a
very good idea because, you know,
714
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,119
the early Hammer horror films and
the other British horror films
715
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,799
that grew up around Hammer were
enormously venerated in France
716
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,359
and also had made a
huge impact in Italy.
717
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,559
He's in all these German and French
and Spanish movies, Italian movies,
718
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,159
where they're not movies
we even know about
719
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,839
because they were never
dubbed into English
720
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,439
and he's speaking French or
Italian or German or Spanish.
721
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,879
They are quite interesting because
they're all fractured versions
722
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,319
of the persona that he first
showed in the Hammer films.
723
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,319
Italy, of course, was an industry
that would always go for what was
724
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,559
the now thing and how can we
produce our own version of it.
725
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,519
Well, one very good way to produce
it was to get Christopher Lee in.
726
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,599
So, you know, there he was
by the shores of Lake Geneva
727
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,279
during his Swiss exile, and he was
constantly popping down to Italy.
728
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,519
Italy was a perfect place.
729
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,359
There were wonderful
locations, et cetera.
730
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,559
And who was the number one
star in horror pictures?
731
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,839
Christopher Lee.
732
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,759
So, I reached out
for Christopher
733
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,999
and when I met him, we
just became fast friends.
734
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,479
And I... raised some money
735
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,719
and put together
the first budget
736
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:11,999
for Castle of the Living Dead.
737
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,920
And that's how it happened.
738
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,360
FILM NARRATOR: The Castle
of the Living Dead.
739
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,399
In an atmosphere of horror,
740
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,400
the story of a man who violates the
forbidden frontiers of science...
741
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,119
to arrive at a frightful
but lucid madness
742
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,959
and atrocious inhuman crime.
743
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,840
Starring the unforgettable
creator of Dracula.
744
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,359
'The great joys of my experience
in Europe, were my partnerships
745
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,200
with the Italian director Mario
Bava and the Spanish Jess Franco.
746
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,839
He made quite a few
pictures with Jess Franco,
747
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,840
who obviously he must have
respected and liked on some level.
748
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,839
Very few of them are at the
top of the heap of the movies
749
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,399
that he would wanna
be remembered for.
750
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,599
But interestingly,
751
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,999
he changed his mind about
doing a Dracula picture
752
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,000
because he did one for Jess.
753
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,200
MAN: And, action!
754
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,280
(WHIRRING OMINOUS MUSIC)
755
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,079
The idea was that this was going
to be 'the' Dracula picture,
756
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,999
based on the book, which
was always a bugaboo of his,
757
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,959
is how few things from the
book ended up in these movies.
758
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,839
And it was another
thread-bearer kind of a movie.
759
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,519
Although Pere Portobella made a
really interesting documentary
760
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,999
about the making of that movie,
761
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,080
which is actually much more
interesting than the movie itself.
762
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:49,640
(EERIE MUSIC STING)
763
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,840
(EERIE MUSIC STING)
764
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,839
'To the continental filmmakers,
765
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,359
'sex and death went hand-in-hand
766
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,559
'along with pain and pleasure.
767
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,279
'Accusations of downright perversity
were levelled at some of these films,
768
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,319
'but it was merely
the European way.
769
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,399
'Their art and literature
have been infused with sex
770
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,839
'as far back as
can be remembered.
771
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,160
'My films from this time have
a distinctly different feel.
772
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,679
'Sometimes dreamy,
delirious, or demented,
773
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,160
'it was a heady and
creative time for me.'
774
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,479
MAN: A film of mystery!
A film of thrill!
775
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,720
A film of terror!
776
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,279
He made some amazing films,
777
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,799
and he was delighted to be working
in particular with Mario Bava.
778
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,280
But I think he was very aware
that this was really just...
779
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,879
a continuation, if you like, of
what he called his graveyard period,
780
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,400
because he was very much looked
upon as a Gothic personage.
781
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,959
SERAFINOWICZ: (AS LEE) 'On
the 22nd of November 1963,
782
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,120
'Gitte gave birth to our
wonderful daughter, Christina.
783
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:27,319
'We were now a family.
784
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,839
'The idea of leaving them, for
even a small amount of time,
785
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,879
'filled me with anxiety.
786
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,959
'Death started to mean
something different to me.
787
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,360
'For the first time,
I truly feared it.
788
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,879
'For the idea of not living to
see Christina bloom and conquer
789
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,920
'was unimaginably painful.'
790
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,719
The charms of Switzerland
had worn off by now
791
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,639
and taxman be damned, we
just wanted to be home.
792
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,279
So, we returned to
London and took a flat
793
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,239
a stone's throw from Mr Karloff.
794
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:58,519
My career had gone
international,
795
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,479
yet I didn't seem to
have moved a step.
796
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,239
The allowance of days that
I was given as a tax exile
797
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:07,399
by the government to work in
the UK had all gone to Hammer
798
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,799
and my return made me feel as if
perhaps, I had never even left.
799
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,279
But then a new
character beckoned me.
800
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,319
And although he certainly
was of the shadows,
801
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,200
it was as far from typecasting
as I could reasonably hope.
802
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,240
'I was not the first to bring
the evil Dr Fu Manchu to screen.
803
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:29,279
'Seven screen Fus
had preceded me,
804
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,040
'including a memorable
turn by Boris.
805
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,439
'It is perhaps unimaginable
that such a film be made today,
806
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,639
'not just the racial
characterisations,
807
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,639
'but the very fact that the
main role, a Chinese man,
808
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,320
'be played by a
Caucasian Englishman.
809
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,159
'I can only say that I
have never played Fu Manchu
810
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,439
'in any way that the Chinese
could find offensive.
811
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,559
'However, I can understand
their objection to the character
812
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,520
'being referred to as
'the Yellow Peril'.
813
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,759
'I played Fu over the
course of five films
814
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,439
'and very much following the
pattern of my involvement
815
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,039
'with the Hammer Dracula series,
816
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,720
'it was a case of steadily
diminishing returns.
817
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,319
'In fact, these two franchises,
in the modern parlance,
818
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,799
'overlapped throughout
my 1960s and '70s.'
819
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,600
(THUNDER RUMBLES)
(DRAMATIC MUSIC)
820
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,560
(BAT SCREECHING)
821
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:41,600
(WOMAN WHIMPERING)
822
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,319
DANTE: Hammer, which was not exactly
in the business of making art,
823
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,999
decided that this was a vein
that they wanted to mine.
824
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,079
And so, they ended up...
825
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,919
essentially remaking those
pictures like seven, eight times,
826
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,239
and they ended up doing kind of
the same thing that Universal did,
827
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,879
which is sort of running it
into the ground after a while.
828
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,439
There was always less of Dracula
in every one of the movies
829
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,719
until you get to Taste the Blood of
Dracula, which is not a bad movie,
830
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:23,039
it looks like it was
conceived without Dracula.
831
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,919
And indeed, it had been. (CHUCKLES)
"No, we're not gonna have to."
832
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,599
But Warner Brothers, the distributor
said, "We can't distribute
833
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,479
this picture without Christopher
Lee. It's a Dracula movie!"
834
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,319
There's a couple of real
shit Hammers that he's in
835
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,199
that he gives you
this long story about.
836
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,679
Someone calls him and says...
837
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,279
"Chris, you have to come,
you have to be Dracula
838
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,399
because the movie's cast,
we've committed the money.
839
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,159
Everyone, the
carpenters, you know,
840
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,399
all the group, the
family, you know,
841
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,559
it'll fall apart if
you don't do it."
842
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,639
You know they used to guilt
him into these things.
843
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,479
He never gave less than his all.
844
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,799
I mean, he was always
good in the movies.
845
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,679
He did the best job he could.
846
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,279
But I think that he felt after a
while he was just wasting his time
847
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,959
and that he was sort
of sullying whatever...
848
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,119
name value he may have.
849
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,599
He had that ambivalence
towards the role of Dracula.
850
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,599
It had got him where he was,
it had got him recognition,
851
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,959
but it also was the sort of thing
that he could never leave behind
852
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,719
and that so many people
thought was all he could do.
853
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:23,959
You know, I got him to
sign a poster for me once.
854
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,999
I only got him to
sign one poster
855
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,399
and it was a poster for
Taste the Blood of Dracula.
856
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,679
He grumbled a bit when
I asked him to sign it
857
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,439
and the message he
wrote on it was,
858
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,439
"Dear Peter, this is
from another life."
859
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,719
You know? He regarded that as
being something that was...
860
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:44,759
He did but he wanted
to move on from that.
861
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,959
And, you know,
personally speaking,
862
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,639
I think the balance, he could've
got the balance a bit better
863
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,199
where he moved on, but not...
864
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,879
not to the point that he somehow
865
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,359
came across as being
ashamed of those films.
866
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,999
'Cause he had nothing
whatsoever to be ashamed about.
867
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,439
He was absolutely
the king of his...
868
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,120
of all he surveyed
really, in that niche.
869
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,479
But he wasn't
satisfied with that.
870
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,559
It's an interesting conundrum
871
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,279
but I think it's a lot
to do with, you know,
872
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,479
his ancestry where great
things were expected of him
873
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,119
and here he was
playing monsters.
874
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,319
Both of us had the same degree
of a certain lack of confidence,
875
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,279
which did come from
our family, I think,
876
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,719
because my grandmother
could be very withering.
877
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:32,039
I don't know. Not
withering about acting.
878
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,719
In fact, acting was the one
thing that we made our family
879
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:37,519
proud about, funnily enough.
It was everything else you were
880
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,879
that felt a bit sort of, "I'm
not quite up to scratch."
881
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,679
And I can't define it
882
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,959
and I'd love to have sat down
and talked to him about it.
883
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,840
But it's just a sort of... aura
in the family of sort of...
884
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,719
There's a threat of ridicule
somewhere in the atmosphere.
885
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:56,959
Here's the funny thing,
he loved playing Dracula.
886
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,159
When you're that good
at playing a part,
887
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,919
and when you have such
command of the screen,
888
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,839
and you can make such an
impact in such a short time,
889
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,039
of course you're going to
love playing that part.
890
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,039
'Hollywood finally came calling,
891
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,959
'and although this time it
would be upon British soil,
892
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,639
'I would actually be
working very closely
893
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,960
'with a certified legendary
Hollywood director.
894
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,919
'Billy Wilder had decided to
make a Sherlock Holmes film.
895
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,799
'He, quite correctly,
saw me as Mycroft,
896
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,119
'Holmes' arguably more
clever, older brother.'
897
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,119
Am I going too fast with
the best brain in England?
898
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,199
Go on.
899
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,519
They planted that on you
quite neatly, I must admit,
900
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,199
so that you could lead them to
their objective, the air pump.
901
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,719
Very much like using a
hog to find truffles.
902
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:47,079
'It had taken me 23
years and over 100 films
903
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,959
'before I was to have such a
thoroughly satisfying experience.'
904
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,639
Oh, charming!
905
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,479
Chris was very proud
of Mycroft Holmes,
906
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,479
but what he was proud of
907
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,679
was, although he's
wonderful in the movie,
908
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,479
but he was proud of being
employed by Billy Wilder.
909
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,519
That's what was, you know?
910
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,599
That's what was... "I'm being-
I'm with one of the greats."
911
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,359
The early to mid-70s'
were to offer me two roles
912
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,239
which could hold their own in the
iconic stakes against old Dracula.
913
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:21,199
Finally, I was to go up against
Britain's finest secret agent.
914
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,839
But before we go into that.
915
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,240
It is time to keep your
appointment with the Wicker Man.
916
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,239
'Now, I've never been
shy about proclaiming
917
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:42,239
'this as my favourite of all
the films I've appeared in.
918
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:44,439
'There are many
reasons for this.
919
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,679
'Firstly, it's a brilliant
story, expertly told.'
920
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,480
You can't land here
without written permission!
921
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,199
I, as you can see,
am a police officer.
922
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,919
A complaint has been registered
923
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,599
by a resident of this
island of a missing child!
924
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,719
Now that makes it
a police matter,
925
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:04,479
private property or not!
926
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,999
Now, will you send
a dingy, please?
927
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,000
(QUIETLY) Need to
tell his lordship.
928
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,439
'The great playwright
Anthony Shaffer found a novel
929
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,719
'in which he saw a kernel of
a story which intrigued him.
930
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,240
'We bought the rights,
and he made it his own.'
931
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,800
(CLOCK TICKING)
932
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,200
(FLUTE MUSIC)
933
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,400
Good afternoon, Sergeant Howie.
934
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,399
I trust the sight of the
young people refreshes you.
935
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,119
No, Sir.
936
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,199
It does not refresh me.
937
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,159
Oh, I'm sorry.
938
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,440
One should always be open to
the regenerative influences.
939
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,679
'He conceived of the role
of Lord Summerisle for me.
940
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,319
'I assure you that this is an
extreme rarity in the business.
941
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,479
'To have a part not
just handed to you,
942
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,319
'but inspired by you
is a rare moment,
943
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,999
'especially one this good!'
944
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,839
In that case, you must go ahead.
945
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,959
The Wicker Man really drew
from a lot of his past
946
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,840
as a horror icon...
947
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,079
because The Wicker Man is
unquestionably a horror film.
948
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,079
And at the heart
of it, of course,
949
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,999
you've got Lee playing,
you know, the laird
950
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,479
who lives in the castle
at the top of the hill,
951
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,039
to whom the unsuspecting innocent
person has to travel by coach.
952
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,839
Is this reminding you
of anybody? You know.
953
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,480
It's a very clever
manipulation of his image.
954
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,879
And I think to a degree,
Lee was aware of that,
955
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,839
but he was aware that in
manipulating his image like that
956
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,279
Shaffer had given him
some beautiful dialogue
957
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,759
and a marvellously
ambiguous character to play.
958
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,479
What my grandfather had
started out of expediency,
959
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,400
my father continued
out of... love.
960
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,719
He brought me up the same way.
961
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:03,239
To reverence the
music and the drama
962
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:05,240
and the rituals of the old gods.
963
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,280
To love nature and to fear it.
964
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:13,399
And to rely on it and to
appease it when necessary.
965
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,960
He brought me up- He brought
you up to be a pagan!
966
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,239
A heathen, conceivably,
967
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:22,640
but not, I hope, an
unenlightened one.
968
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,079
SERAFINOWICZ: (AS LEE) 'How
different could two film shoots be?
969
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,759
'From the grey wind-swept
hills of coastal Scotland
970
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,599
'to the sun-drenched
beaches of Thailand?
971
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:42,079
'Famously, the 007 films were
lavish Pan Global productions,
972
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,519
'which shot for months with a
travelling team of hundreds.
973
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,599
'The producers were Cubby
Broccoli and Harry Saltzman,
974
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,919
'by now millionaires
many times over
975
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,839
'thanks to their shrewd licencing
of my cousin Ian Fleming's books.
976
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,319
'Oh, yes, Ian and I
were quite the pair.
977
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,399
'I've heard talk that certain
elements of the James Bond character
978
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,679
'were in fact based upon me
and my own wartime experiences.
979
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,399
'But of course, I couldn't
possibly comment on such matters.
980
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,879
'Sadly, by now, Ian was dead
981
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,759
'and never did get to see me
play one of his characters.
982
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,559
'But here I was now squaring
off against Roger Moore,
983
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,320
'and what a match we made.'
984
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,479
You live well, Scaramanga.
985
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,959
At a million dollars a contract,
I can afford to Mr Bond.
986
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,999
You work for peanuts.
987
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,519
A hearty, "Well done"
from Her Majesty the Queen
988
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,199
and a pittance of a pension.
989
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,240
Apart from that,
we are the same.
990
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,159
To us, Mr Bond.
991
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,120
We are the best.
992
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,960
He was kind of thrilled to be
The Man with the Golden Gun...
993
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,079
because it was a big Hollywood
international production
994
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,599
and Cubby Broccoli
and, you know,
995
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,759
it was the biggest thing going and
he was delighted to be in that.
996
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,839
And I would say,
997
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,319
"Chris, it was the third nipple
you're delighted by, isn't it?"
998
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,879
(IMITATING LEE) "What
are you talking about?"
999
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,959
(CHUCKLES) He was
pretty easy to tease.
1000
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,719
'My performance has
regularly been singled out
1001
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:13,799
'as one of the
better Bond villains,
1002
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,559
'and that is a compliment
I don't take lightly.
1003
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,520
'My star had risen.
I had arrived.'
1004
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,799
I think the first time he ever got
ever any kind of nice treatment
1005
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,799
by the critics in the UK was
The Man with the Golden Gun.
1006
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,519
He was a very sensitive
man and he'd been, really,
1007
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,799
cruelly treated by the critics
and everything for years.
1008
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,799
There's a little, little
touch of bad luck even here
1009
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,759
because finally Christopher
is playing a Bond villain
1010
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,679
and he's being, to my mind, one
of the very best Bond villains,
1011
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,799
but he's in a Bond
film that is...
1012
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,199
(GROANS) ..a bit
of a curate's egg.
1013
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,079
You know, I mean, look,
1014
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,639
by comparison to most of
Christopher Lee's films,
1015
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,879
The Man with the Golden Gun
made squillions of dollars.
1016
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,559
But by comparison to the other
James Bond films up to that time,
1017
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,079
it was a little bit of a damp
squib, even commercially.
1018
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,639
So, you know, there were these-
these little touches of bad luck
1019
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,079
sort of drop through even
at the moments of zenith.
1020
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,319
But maybe-maybe that's, you know,
the actor's lot in many ways.
1021
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,079
On my return to Britain,
all that awaited me
1022
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,879
were more dismal deaths
in dank dungeons.
1023
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,279
And to be honest,
not so many of those
1024
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,159
since Hammer was
in steep decline.
1025
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,039
'In our mutual interest,
I had picked up the rights
1026
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,719
'to some of Dennis Wheatley's
literary properties
1027
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,719
'and hoped to motivate Hammer into
action on a more modern type of film,
1028
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,359
'which might compete with
the likes of The Exorcist.'
1029
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,040
(SCREAMING)
1030
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,439
'Well, they dragged their feet,
but eventually got it made.
1031
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,920
'A tepid adaptation
which angered Wheatley.'
1032
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,680
(OMINOUS MUSIC)
1033
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,160
(SCREAMS)
1034
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,720
(WIND WHISTLING)
1035
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,719
'It would be my last
film for Hammer,
1036
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,960
the end of an era.
1037
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,839
'They had managed to snare
Richard Widmark as leading man,
1038
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,159
and he joined the
Transatlantic Chorus,
1039
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,439
'started a decade ago by Billy
Wilder and finally convinced me
1040
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,880
'that it was time to up sticks
and move, lock stock to America.'
1041
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,439
America, where I was
appreciated, respected,
1042
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,080
and where Hollywood
seemed ripe with promise.
1043
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,159
He had a decent life here.
1044
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:48,919
It wasn't...
1045
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,120
a life of discotheques
and things like that.
1046
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,359
It was a life of work
1047
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,799
because he did work quite a bit
1048
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,479
when he came to Hollywood.
1049
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,959
It was a very fruitful
period for Christopher.
1050
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,999
It really was.
1051
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,999
He loved being in Hollywood
and he was working.
1052
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,919
He got to work with Jack
Lemmon and Lee Grant, you know?
1053
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,519
Real actors and real
Hollywood stars,
1054
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,759
and he really enjoyed it.
1055
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,919
'My first film was a
huge movie for Universal,
1056
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,960
'Airport 77.
1057
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,399
'The Airport films were the
original and finest exponents
1058
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,559
'of the very popular, new
'disaster movie' genre.
1059
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,919
'The format was
simple and effective.
1060
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,839
'A large cast of popular
celebrities, old and new,
1061
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,679
'are thrust into a
cataclysmic situation.
1062
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,439
'The fun of these films was
the absolute unpredictability
1063
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,320
'as to who would survive
and who would die.
1064
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,879
'I would be sharing the screen
and the first-class lounge
1065
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,439
'with Jack Lemmon,
Olivia de Haviland,
1066
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,159
'Joseph Cotton,
and Jimmy Stewart.
1067
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,199
'To absolutely nobody
in the world's surprise,
1068
00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:59,839
'I died.
1069
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:01,839
'But it was a good death,
1070
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,680
'a hero's death, a new death.
1071
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,719
'I had to train for a week in
a water tank to accomplish it.
1072
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,999
'And upon completion,
I received an award
1073
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,960
'more meaningful to
me than an Oscar.
1074
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,799
'The hallowed Stunt
Team belt buckle,
1075
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,199
'a recognition that
you were one of them.
1076
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,399
This is a good start! I mean,
1077
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,439
it's a slightly silly disaster film
of the period, but nevertheless
1078
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,839
it's a big thing. But because of
Christopher's workaholic tendencies,
1079
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,079
the next thing he does
involves going to Canada
1080
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,960
to appear in something
called Starship Invasions.
1081
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,960
(CHUCKLES) Um...
1082
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,759
And you know that film is an
embarrassment on many levels.
1083
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:46,639
However, there are some wonderful
things happening for him in the USA.
1084
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,599
He goes over to NYC
to be guest host
1085
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,479
on Saturday Night
Live in March 1978.
1086
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,279
'I had a wonderful time but was
grateful to learn after the fact,
1087
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,920
'that the audience viewing figures
were as high as 35 million.
1088
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:05,119
'By far my largest audience for
anything I had ever previously done.
1089
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,679
'Had I known such a
figure before taking part,
1090
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,839
'I'd have been a babbling fool.
1091
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,479
'My appearance, seen by really
everyone who was anyone,
1092
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:17,559
'announced to the American film
and TV industry that I was alive,
1093
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:21,319
'that I was available,
and that I was perhaps
1094
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,399
'more versatile than they
might have expected.'
1095
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,799
Having shown America
my capacity for humour,
1096
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,679
the phone started ringing
1097
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,440
and one of those calls
was from Steven Spielberg.
1098
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,119
'His next film was
to be a comedy.
1099
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,839
'Set around the confusion
in the immediate aftermath
1100
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,999
'of the bombing of Pearl
Harbour. It would see me paired
1101
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,399
'with the legendary Japanese
actor, Toshiro Mifune.
1102
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,439
'I played a German
U-boat captain,
1103
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,599
'speaking entirely in
the German language.
1104
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,839
'Mifune played my
begrudging partner,
1105
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,319
'a Japanese submarine commander
1106
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,999
'who spoke entirely in,
of course, Japanese.
1107
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,159
'Now, the joke was that we
railed against one another
1108
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,920
'in our mother tongues but could
understand each other perfectly.
1109
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,639
'And therein lies the problem.
1110
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,079
'It's not a particularly
funny concept.
1111
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,319
'True to its subject
matter, the movie bombed.
1112
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,279
'Serial was a very
modern satire of life
1113
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,799
'for the Baby Boomers
in 1970s San Francisco.
1114
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,839
'I played Luckman,
a local businessman,
1115
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,799
'respected and successful,
who, on weekends,
1116
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,559
'donned leathers
and became Skull,
1117
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,320
'fearsome leader of the local
homosexual motorcycle gang.'
1118
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:38,479
♪ Might I say that
I'm old-fashioned... ♪
1119
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,120
(SINGS IN FRENCH)
1120
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,439
'My run of strange and
wonderful pictures continued
1121
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,479
'with a jaunt to Australia to film
The Return of Captain Invincible.
1122
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:53,319
'I was firmly back in mad
fascistic villain territory,
1123
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,919
'but the rest of the
film was truly bizarre.'
1124
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,559
I built a fish! Hit the dirt!
1125
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,359
'Only Captain
Invincible can stop me,
1126
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,079
if he can kick his
addiction to the booze.'
1127
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,919
♪ If you don't name your poison
1128
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,759
♪ I'll have to get the boys in
1129
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:15,079
♪ The spirit of adventure
opens one's eyes
1130
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,599
♪ If you don't
name your poison...
1131
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,679
'To finally sing on film,
1132
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,359
'do you think I might have
been enjoying myself?'
1133
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,640
♪ Sunrise ♪
1134
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,839
There's no one that is in any
doubt of how versatile he was
1135
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,279
and the fact he was capable
of other things. You know?
1136
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,919
But I think a lot of the movies
he made from the 1970s onwards
1137
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,199
were really a reaction
of getting as far away
1138
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,759
from those horror movies
1139
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,079
as he possibly could.
1140
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,439
Christopher was very
keen on playing,
1141
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,559
as he called them, Short roles.
1142
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,359
He didn't carry a film.
1143
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,359
He punctuated a film
1144
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,079
in an enormously exciting
and brilliant way.
1145
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,399
But he punctuated stories
rather than carrying them.
1146
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,039
Short roles enabled him to go
1147
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,439
from film to film,
to film, to film,
1148
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,439
sometimes to make multiple
films at the same time.
1149
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,920
'My antagonistic services
became very much in demand.
1150
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,279
'Now, admittedly, not all of
the roles I played were in
1151
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,680
'what one might consider
premium quality productions.'
1152
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,759
I wouldn't hesitate to shoot
this young lady, you know?
1153
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,639
As you can hear, I don't
have very much choice.
1154
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,279
(SIRENS IN DISTANCE)
1155
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,280
That's better. Easy does it.
1156
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,720
(DOG BARKING)
1157
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,560
(GASPING)
1158
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,239
I would say maybe half
the movies that he made
1159
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,799
are more or less forgettable.
1160
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,439
And he once said to
me that he pitied me
1161
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,479
because I had seen so
many of his movies.
1162
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,759
I think he had
such a hunger to...
1163
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,799
to keep doing things,
1164
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,839
such a curiosity
about doing things.
1165
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,159
He didn't always say, "Is there
any artistic merit in this?"
1166
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,120
He didn't wanna be left out.
1167
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,239
He just... He just felt that,
1168
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,719
"The next one is gonna be the...
1169
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,839
a better one."
1170
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,759
I think he just took the
rough with the smooth
1171
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,039
all the way through his career.
1172
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,639
And things didn't quite work
out how he always wanted them
1173
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,079
to work out, you know? He
put that in perspective
1174
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,800
with his wartime
experiences and so what?
1175
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,479
SERAFINOWICZ: (AS LEE) We had
spent almost a decade in America,
1176
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,079
and I had somewhat
stretched my wings there,
1177
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,040
but life, as it will, conspired
to bring me back home.
1178
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,439
'I was in Las Vegas
shooting the movie Jocks
1179
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,480
'when I felt quite unwell.
1180
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,279
'I was getting tired very easily and
walking became quite exhausting.'
1181
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,440
(HEARTBEAT THUMPING)
1182
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,320
(OMINOUS MUSIC)
1183
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,280
'I went to see a doctor.
1184
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,559
'She told me that my mitral
valve in my left ventricle
1185
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:18,799
'wasn't closing correctly.
1186
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,959
'In that moment, I realised
that, quite literally,
1187
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,480
'my heart was no longer in it.
1188
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,479
'Our departure was swift.
1189
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,319
'Back in London I
took to Harley Street,
1190
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,519
'province of the
private clinician,
1191
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,479
'where, at great expense,
1192
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,559
'I was pricked and prodded
and invaded and examined,
1193
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,720
'and the decision was taken
that surgery was essential.
1194
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,879
'I campaigned against one of
those new-fangled plastic valves
1195
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,679
'as I had heard terrifying
tales of recipients of such
1196
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,999
'dropping dead mid-sentence.
1197
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:59,439
'As an aspirational raconteur and
a connoisseur of the act of death,
1198
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,880
'I could think of no
worse way to expire.
1199
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,679
'So, they offered me
the valve of a pig,
1200
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,199
'which I gladly accepted.
1201
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,960
'In the moment, however, they
decided to mend rather than replace.
1202
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,799
'So much of my life had been
spent as a purveyor of fear,
1203
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:18,959
'terror, darkness, and blood.
1204
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,959
'Here I was now at their mercy.
1205
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,000
'I was scared.
1206
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,399
'I wrote letters to
Gitte and Christina
1207
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:31,399
'should the worst happen, and then
as I waited for the hour to come,
1208
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:35,280
'I took comfort in that which
has always given me comfort.
1209
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,639
'I first read The Lord of
the Rings upon publication.
1210
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,879
'All three volumes were released
in quite quick succession
1211
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,840
'within a year or so, and
I absolutely devoured them.
1212
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,759
'I was obsessed to the degree
that I read the full trilogy
1213
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,400
'every single year for
the rest of my life.
1214
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,440
'I met Tolkien in the
'50s quite by chance.
1215
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,359
'I was in Oxford with friends.
1216
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,919
'We were drinking merrily
in the Eagle and Child Pub
1217
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,479
#when the door opened
and in he walked.
1218
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,559
'You see, I recognised him from
his photograph on the dust jacket.
1219
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:18,160
'In he came and somehow, he joined
our group for a couple of ales.
1220
01:08:19,480 --> 01:08:22,199
'All I could say
was, "How do you do?"
1221
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,520
'That is it, all I could manage.
1222
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:29,199
'I had so many questions for
him I didn't know where to start
1223
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,919
'and really didn't know
how it might end up.
1224
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,720
'So, I just smiled and nodded
and enjoyed his presence.
1225
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,840
'I enjoyed being in his
presence and I have no regrets.
1226
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,879
'I could well have scared him
away or upset or annoyed him
1227
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,879
'and that I would've
regretted to this day.
1228
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,920
'No, it was quite alright
just to have been around him.
1229
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:53,919
'It is a very good memory.
1230
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,839
'So, before my operation
and in my sick bed
1231
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,199
'and during my recuperation,
1232
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,079
'I mentally transported
myself to Middle Earth.
1233
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,559
'And The Fellowship with all
of their goodness and decency,
1234
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,840
'played a role in my
recovery and recover I did.
1235
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,640
'My return to London also
marked a return to old friends.
1236
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,079
'House of the Long Shadows,
1237
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,479
'really more of a
Gothic chamber piece
1238
01:09:23,480 --> 01:09:27,319
'with the occasional unfortunate
demise and a risible ending.
1239
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,079
'This project would see
me reunited on screen,
1240
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,919
'not just with Peter,
but also Vincent.
1241
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,159
'Who could say no
to a family reunion?
1242
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,919
They were such gentlemen.
You know, so respectful
1243
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,439
of each other's talent and...
1244
01:09:42,440 --> 01:09:44,599
and of all the crew.
1245
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:48,159
And modest, all very
modest, about their talent.
1246
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:52,279
'Cause they are, yes, as we
said, the Holy Trinity of Horror.
1247
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,119
'I was the youngest of
the trio by a decade.
1248
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,279
'Vincent was the
youngest in spirit.
1249
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,319
'But it was clear that
Peter was winding down.
1250
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,559
'Peter, if we're truthful,
had been winding down
1251
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,879
'since the death of his beloved
wife, Helen, a decade earlier.
1252
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,719
'He never recovered. Had no
desire to recover, you see.
1253
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,599
'From the moment he lost her,
1254
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:16,679
'he was just passing time until
they could be reunited in death.
1255
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,439
'He kept busy.
1256
01:10:18,440 --> 01:10:21,079
'He had a huge success
appearing in Star Wars,
1257
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,039
'but I don't think he cared.
1258
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,399
'He cared about being professional
and giving a great performance.
1259
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,639
'He just didn't care
about his standing
1260
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,879
'or the acclaim or the money.
1261
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,439
'He lived a quiet life in
Whitstable, by the sea there.
1262
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:37,560
'He painted his miniatures,
and he passed the time.
1263
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,439
'Ultimately, he waited 23 years
1264
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:44,800
'until he could
join his dear Helen.
1265
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,999
'He was truly a special man,
1266
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,320
'and he was my friend.
1267
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,199
'His last job was to
narrate a documentary
1268
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,759
'about Hammer films with me.'
1269
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,759
I was in Cannes for two days - recently.
- Say that louder.
1270
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,719
(SHOUTS) I was in Cannes for
two days recently.(LAUGHS)
1271
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,919
And everybody gave me a big
welcome. What were you doing there?
1272
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,079
Well, talking about
you. That's it for you.
1273
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,839
- As usual.
- Yes. And somebody said to me,
1274
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,079
(FRENCH ACCENT) "And
how is Mr Cushing?"
1275
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,560
(NORMAL VOICE) I
said, "I don't know."
1276
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,279
This is happening
all over the world.
1277
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,599
People say to me,
"How is Mr Cushing?"
1278
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,039
Sometimes they say, "Good
morning, Mr Cushing."
1279
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,199
(LAUGHTER)
1280
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,759
Sometimes they do that too.
It's either that or Mr Price.
1281
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,120
Always. Always.
1282
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:36,959
'We had a wonderful
day together.
1283
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,719
'But as we said, goodbye,
I had a premonition.
1284
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,680
'I knew it would be the
last time I would see him.
1285
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,960
'And it was.'
1286
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,199
I did not wind down.
1287
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,239
He really loved doing movies.
1288
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,519
Not just the movie
itself, the whole process.
1289
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:58,199
From reading the script to
meeting the people at the set,
1290
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,119
meeting other actors,
exchanging ideas.
1291
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,119
At home, he would be bored.
1292
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,279
He would have nothing
to do. He was restless.
1293
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,559
He was in a situation in where
1294
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,119
he was not getting
any prominent movies.
1295
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,639
In other words,
he was getting...
1296
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,479
meaningless parts.
1297
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:19,119
The majority of people thought
that he had passed away
1298
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,039
'cause he had not been
really in the mainstream.
1299
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,839
At the time, I'm talking 1995.
1300
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,519
From 1995 maybe to
1998, around that time.
1301
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,799
He didn't wanna do
any more horror movies
1302
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:32,839
because he had done
everything already.
1303
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,719
There wasn't anything
else to be done.
1304
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,159
He thought that he had so much
more to give than just that,
1305
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,879
so, he wasn't getting the
type of work that he wanted.
1306
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,279
He came to see me playing
at Stratford-on-Avon
1307
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,959
in the Royal Shakespeare
Company, and he came afterwards.
1308
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,199
Afterwards, he said,
"I'm so jealous of you...
1309
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,719
because, you know,
I'd love to have done
1310
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,519
some of the great classical
roles on the stage."
1311
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,559
He was very, very keen
to play Don Quixote.
1312
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,959
I think that would've been a
fantastic part for him, actually.
1313
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:05,239
Can you just see him sitting astride
that knackered old horse, you know?
1314
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,840
In his Spanish armour,
tilting at windmills.
1315
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,639
The whole idea-I think in a
way that role spoke to him.
1316
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,439
'Cause the whole idea of
tilting at windmills, i.e.
1317
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:18,039
at conventional film stardom,
1318
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,759
was something that
he understood.
1319
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,239
He did have a lot of rejection,
1320
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:25,279
um, which people
don't know about.
1321
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,399
And so, you do, you know,
1322
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:31,279
you could spend hours of your day
being sad about where you didn't go.
1323
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,759
And he did sometimes
get into that place.
1324
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,199
He was jealous.
1325
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,599
He was jealous of
certain actors.
1326
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,840
He was jealous of Michael Caine.
1327
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,479
I said, "Christopher, why are
you jealous of Michael Caine?
1328
01:13:45,480 --> 01:13:48,760
Michael is a brilliant actor.
You're a brilliant actor."
1329
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:51,799
He would never give
me the reasons.
1330
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:55,320
He just thought that Michael
Caine got more attention.
1331
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,919
At this time, I actually turned
largely to my great hobby of singing
1332
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:02,879
and took a serious stab
at making a go of it.
1333
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:04,879
He did a narration
for Rhapsody of Fire.
1334
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,359
That was the first
time that he worked
1335
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,759
with a mainstream
heavy metal band.
1336
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:11,999
They were huge. And
they're still huge.
1337
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,359
They are pioneers of
Symphonic and Power Metal.
1338
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,839
He liked the music because...
1339
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,559
it's very similar to
the music that he liked.
1340
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,239
He loved Wagner.
And in his opinion,
1341
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,559
Wagner and heavy metal
are interconnected.
1342
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,279
The music is very powerful,
1343
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,679
big stories. So, you know,
1344
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,959
that's how he knew about metal.
1345
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:36,799
'I was hooked.
1346
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,359
'A few years later, I formed
The Charlemagne Project.
1347
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,359
'What would become
two full albums.'
1348
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,559
Christopher had worked
before in several albums,
1349
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,519
several projects, he
wanted to do some more.
1350
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,439
So there is where
we came in, huh?
1351
01:14:52,440 --> 01:14:54,719
The project started with
1352
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:56,879
Charlemagne: By the
Sword and the Cross,
1353
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,479
and then the second heavy metal
album, which was more heavy,
1354
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:02,559
if that's a phrase.
1355
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,159
Now the first album was
more symphonic metal.
1356
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:09,759
♪ Four thousand men
all dead in one day
1357
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:14,439
♪ They would not renounce
their heathen ways... ♪
1358
01:15:14,440 --> 01:15:16,439
We first, we did
the symphonic one,
1359
01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:18,719
and there are two
generations of fans.
1360
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,759
Some loved it because
it was symphonic.
1361
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,359
It's light, they like
that. But the more extreme,
1362
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,359
the more heavier fans, ah,
they were disappointed.
1363
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,159
"Oh, this is not metal!
This is symphonic."
1364
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:31,479
We had to do it heavier.
1365
01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:34,319
And also, Sir Christopher
said, "This needs to be one.
1366
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,239
This needs to be heavier.
1367
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:40,399
Needs to be much, much heavier!
The music is not powerful enough.
1368
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,919
The orchestra, we need more power!"
Remember he said, "More power?"
1369
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:47,519
"You know, I can sing much
louder than that," right?
1370
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,679
♪ I shed blood of the Saxon man
1371
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,959
♪ I shed the blood
of the Saxon men
1372
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:56,319
♪ I shed the blood
of the Saxon man ♪
1373
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,719
But in between the
Charlemagne albums,
1374
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,799
he sung heavy metal singles.
1375
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,599
You know, we started with the
Heavy Metal Christmas then
1376
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:07,519
Heavy Metal Christmas Two, - with Jingle Hells.
- Oh yeah.
1377
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:11,719
♪ Jingle hell, jingle
hell, jingle all the way
1378
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:16,519
♪ Oh, what fun it is to ride
in a one-horse open sleigh ♪
1379
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,599
He actually went number 18 on the-
The American Billboard charts.
1380
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,479
On the billboard single - charts in America.
- Number 22,
1381
01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:27,799
and then number 22, and then from
the PR of getting to number 22,
1382
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,479
he went to number 18 in
the Billboard charts.
1383
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:34,639
It meant that Christopher became
the oldest, now careful here,
1384
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:39,279
recording artist, not
somebody that wrote some music
1385
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,159
and all of a sudden,
you know, at 90
1386
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:45,239
his music appears on
the charts, he was 92-
1387
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,119
91 and a half years
old when he recorded,
1388
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,279
and he became the
oldest performing artist
1389
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,639
to have ever charted.
1390
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:57,280
♪ In the name of Jesus
Christo, our lord
1391
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:02,360
♪ On a day on Verden,
no mercy given
1392
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:07,159
♪ Victory for the
chosen people ♪
1393
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:10,560
Every single music
magazine in the world...
1394
01:17:11,480 --> 01:17:15,439
started to refer to him
as a heavy metal star.
1395
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:18,319
Right? So, he started
1396
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,120
as somebody who
wanted to sing...
1397
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,999
and at the end, he was respected
1398
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,599
by every single
heavy metal musician.
1399
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,119
'One of the founding members
of Black Sabbath, Tony Iommi
1400
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,160
'presented me with the Metal
Hammer Golden God award.'
1401
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,999
I think it was probably
the most memorable day
1402
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:39,999
that I can remember in
the whole of my life.
1403
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,919
He was born again, he felt
the energy of the place.
1404
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,719
I remember that we were in the
changing rooms with Tony Iommi
1405
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,879
and Sir Christopher,
they were talking.
1406
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:50,879
They had a very long conversation
in the changing room.
1407
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:52,879
Sir Christopher said to him,
1408
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,999
"You invented heavy metal,
you are the father of metal."
1409
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:59,359
He said. And Tony Iommi replied,
1410
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:03,639
"No, you were the one that created
heavy metal with your movies,
1411
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,959
I was inspired by your movies."
1412
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,159
Sir Christopher, "My movies?
The good ones I hope!"
1413
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,960
(LAUGHTER) He always said
this, "The good ones I hope!"
1414
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,199
By 1998, I was 76-years-old
1415
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,399
and it could well
have been assumed
1416
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,119
that my most fruitful
years were behind me.
1417
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,919
But then, something happened.
1418
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,999
Something wonderful and
quite unexpected happened.
1419
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,359
I received an invitation to tea
1420
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:32,679
at the Basil Street
Hotel in Knightsbridge.
1421
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,399
My hosts there were the
head of Islamic studies
1422
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,679
from Cambridge
university, Akbar Ahmed
1423
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:41,239
and his friend, the film
director, Jamil Dehlavi.
1424
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,239
They had a question for me.
1425
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,280
"What do you know about Jinnah?"
1426
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,239
' "Well," I replied.
1427
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:51,319
'"I know that Mohammed Ali
Jinnah was the Baba-e-Qaum,
1428
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,799
'forefather of the
nation of Pakistan,
1429
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:55,799
'the state he founded in 1947
1430
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,679
'and became the first
Governor General of.
1431
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:02,239
'It was his committed endeavour
to create a separate state
1432
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:04,119
'for Indian Muslims.
1433
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:07,359
'I believe him to have
been an extraordinary man
1434
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,159
'of determination
and brilliance.
1435
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:11,959
' "We should like you to
play Jinnah." They replied.
1436
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,439
'Jinnah was by far the
most important film I made
1437
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:19,479
in terms of its subject and the great
responsibility I had as an actor.
1438
01:19:19,480 --> 01:19:22,239
'I am immensely proud
of this picture.
1439
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:25,879
'I received, really, the
best reviews I've ever had.'
1440
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,719
He was reminding you that he
could do these longer parts,
1441
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:30,959
these more conventional
dramatic roles
1442
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,439
and he could bring nuance and...
1443
01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:35,399
subtlety and, you know,
1444
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,359
statesmanship in that particular
instance, playing Jinnah.
1445
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,359
He could bring all that to a
role in a more conventional vein.
1446
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,039
But you see...
1447
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,319
because he'd done
so many short parts,
1448
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,759
I don't think casting directors,
very often, saw him that way.
1449
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,119
'The film was a smash
hit with the critics
1450
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,879
'but barely saw the
inside of a cinema.
1451
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,239
'It seems many could not accept
the notion of a white Englishman
1452
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,839
'playing such an
important Indian icon.
1453
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,480
'It passed largely unseen.'
1454
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,039
Had this been the coda
to my career in film,
1455
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:08,720
well, it would have been
a most satisfactory one.
1456
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,559
But Jinnah was not the end.
1457
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,559
It was the beginning of the end.
1458
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,600
And what an end it was to be.
1459
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:21,559
Almost a decade earlier, Vincent had
enjoyed a magical last act revival.
1460
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,799
After a decade of films
which were often beneath him,
1461
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,559
his final film, his final role,
1462
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,279
his final moment on
the silver screen
1463
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,119
was a work of great beauty.
1464
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,759
'Edward Scissorhands
was an early picture
1465
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,879
'from two of cinemas
great artists.
1466
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,519
'Tim Burton and Johnny Depp.
1467
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,439
'It would be my good fortune
to not only work with them
1468
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:45,959
'but to call them friends.
1469
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,999
'Our first picture together
was, Sleepy Hollow.
1470
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,799
'Washington Irving's
tale of Ichabod Crane
1471
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:53,879
'and the headless horseman.
1472
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:57,239
'Their creepy but tongue-in-cheek
Gothic style was, of course,
1473
01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:00,839
'familiar and pleasing to me
but, unlike the Hammer films,
1474
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,960
'there were no corners cut
and quality was paramount.
1475
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:09,639
'I would go on to appear in four
more Depp-Burton collaborations
1476
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,439
'and very fine they were too.'
1477
01:21:12,440 --> 01:21:15,319
I also found myself cast
in what would go on to be
1478
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:18,839
the two biggest cinematic
franchises in the entire world
1479
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,199
for the first decade
of the new millennium.
1480
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:25,039
One of these was already the
biggest franchise in film history.
1481
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,599
I would be following
my friend Peter,
1482
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,079
to become a villainous antagonist
in a new Star Wars film
1483
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:35,039
under the creator
himself, George Lucas.
1484
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,839
'In the original Star
Wars films in the 1970's,
1485
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:41,319
'Lucas had redefined what could
be achieved with special effects.
1486
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,879
'But here, at the
dawn of a new century,
1487
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,359
'he was pioneering
what could be achieved
1488
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,720
'through digital
manipulation of the image.
1489
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,959
'To be working on the cutting
edge of technology was a thrill
1490
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,640
'but it was also unfamiliar
and disorienting.
1491
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:00,319
'Forget the absence
of other actors,
1492
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,039
'oftentimes there
weren't even sets.
1493
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,759
'When one acts in
nothing, to nothing,
1494
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,720
'well, it was a challenge.
1495
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:10,720
'But to be challenged
is no bad thing.
1496
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:15,360
'My high-point in this trilogy
was my duel with the iconic Yoda.
1497
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,599
'A fight that didn't take place
1498
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,480
'with a creature
that didn't exist.
1499
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,880
(LIGHTSABERS CRACKLING)
1500
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,680
(DRAMATIC MUSIC)
1501
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,199
Fought well you have,
1502
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,199
my old Padawan.
1503
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,240
This is just the beginning.
1504
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,759
The critics weren't always
kind to these films,
1505
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:55,640
but George Lucas gave me a gift for
which I remain eternally grateful.
1506
01:22:56,440 --> 01:22:59,239
The generation of children
who grew up on these movies
1507
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,559
have never even heard
of Hammer films.
1508
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,039
He unshackled me from my past
1509
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:07,800
and allowed me to be something
completely new to a modern audience.
1510
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,079
My resurrection was
becoming a regeneration,
1511
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:13,079
and it was far from over.
1512
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:14,999
Suddenly I was in demand.
1513
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,799
'Stephen Polliakoff
wanted me for Glorious 39.
1514
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:22,640
'Martin Scorsese hired me for his
love letter to early cinema, Hugo.'
1515
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:27,839
But the greatest gift was one
which had come from New Zealand.
1516
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,519
My whole career, I had dreamt
1517
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,999
of appearing in just one film.
1518
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:36,519
He knew that The Lord of
the Rings was being produced
1519
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,799
and he always wanted
to play Gandalf.
1520
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:42,479
He read the books every year.
He was very excited about that.
1521
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:44,799
So he said, "Juan, look,
1522
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,639
find out on the internet,
put the word out
1523
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:49,719
that I would like to
be in that movie."
1524
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,919
Gandalf, Saruman, whatever, as
long as he was in the movie.
1525
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,959
Christopher was someone that
we had in mind for Saruman.
1526
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:57,999
Not just because
of his background,
1527
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,799
and because I had grown up
loving Christopher Lee's movies.
1528
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:02,679
You know, he was
perfect for that role.
1529
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,839
There's no doubt about it. You'd be
hard-pressed to find another actor
1530
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,159
that would be better at
bringing Saruman to life.
1531
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,599
What surprised us is that it
wasn't just a conversation where
1532
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,319
we are trying to persuade
him to, you know,
1533
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,079
to do the role that
we wanted him for.
1534
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:20,159
He was super enthusiastic 'cause
he was a huge Tolkien fan.
1535
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:23,599
And then he said, "Well, I'd be
very happy to do Saruman, of course.
1536
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:25,799
This is great." But he says,
1537
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,279
"But did you ever
consider me for Gandalf?"
1538
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,399
Which we hadn't done,
1539
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,039
and it put us on the spot a bit
'cause I said, "Oh, really?"
1540
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,639
He said, "Yes. I would much
prefer to play Gandalf, you know?"
1541
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:39,479
And I understand why 'cause
Gandalf was pushing him as an actor
1542
01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:41,919
whereas Saruman was
something, you know,
1543
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:45,239
we-everyone knows he could do
Saruman. He's perfect for that.
1544
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:48,199
So, he said, "I prepared
a scene. Can you film me?
1545
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,359
I'd like to do Gandalf.
I'd like to show you."
1546
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:52,759
He auditioned for us, which
is the last thing we wanted
1547
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,039
Christopher to do, audition
for the role of Gandalf.
1548
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,919
He was good as Gandalf,
but... better as Saruman.
1549
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:01,359
And what we actually
ended up realising
1550
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,919
is that we had other
possibilities for Gandalf.
1551
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:06,439
You know, there were other
actors that in different ways
1552
01:25:06,440 --> 01:25:08,319
could do Gandalf and
we were talking to Ian
1553
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,599
and he would be certainly
top of the list.
1554
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,879
But there is no other actor we
thought of that could do Saruman.
1555
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,759
I mean, Christopher
was our only choice.
1556
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:19,519
When he found out that he
was gonna be in the movie,
1557
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,199
it was like a dream
come true to him.
1558
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:25,359
He was a geek. He was a
Lord of the Rings geek.
1559
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,879
So that was a dream come true.
1560
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,319
'It was an incredibly
demanding shoot,
1561
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:33,159
'requiring four stints of
shooting in New Zealand,
1562
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:35,759
'early starts and long days.
1563
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,359
I do remember his very
first day of filming...
1564
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,679
was interesting. It was a scene
from Fellowship of the Ring
1565
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:44,999
where Saruman and Gandalf are
walking in the Isengard garden
1566
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,679
just talking with each other.
There's just the two of them.
1567
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:50,919
So we were in a local park
1568
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:53,359
in Wellington shooting
that sequence.
1569
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,799
I remember part way
through that first day,
1570
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,439
um, Ian came up to me
1571
01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:01,559
just in between
setups and he said,
1572
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,159
"Oh... you might-
1573
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:06,319
you might need to have a
word with Christopher."
1574
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,759
And I said, "Really? What? Why?"
I said, "He's going great."
1575
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:12,999
And Ian said, "Christopher's
convinced that he's gonna get fired
1576
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,919
at the end of the day. He's
convinced he's doing a terrible job.
1577
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,719
He's convinced himself
that you don't like it,
1578
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,279
and he's absolutely sure
that he's gonna get fired
1579
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,279
when the day's finished." Which
was a terrible thing to hear
1580
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:26,559
when we're only halfway
through a day, so.
1581
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:30,079
I just started to really reassure
Christopher he was doing great.
1582
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,799
It was quite a surprising
insecurity about him.
1583
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,879
For somebody who'd
done 200, 250 films,
1584
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,119
however many he'd done at that
point, over decades of work,
1585
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:42,159
he was still a very
nervous, insecure actor.
1586
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:44,559
It was almost like
it was his first day
1587
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,679
on the set of any film ever.
1588
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:49,160
That's the way that he
sort of, he came across.
1589
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:52,719
The first two had come out and
Christopher was great as Saruman.
1590
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:55,599
Everyone loved the character,
and everyone was looking forward
1591
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,039
to that third Lord of the Rings
film. But we were struggling
1592
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,839
with the edit of it to really make
the best film we possibly could.
1593
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,279
And it was very,
very long. I mean...
1594
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:06,439
our first cut of Return to the
King was over four hours long,
1595
01:27:06,440 --> 01:27:08,799
and it was just too
long. And so, something-
1596
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,359
We had to sort of,
had to condense it.
1597
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,319
We had the sequences of him
in The Return of the King,
1598
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:17,239
and we had to take time out,
we looked at them and thought,
1599
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,239
"Well, this is really not
advancing the storyline."
1600
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:23,559
It's like clearing up a
loose end from The Two Towers
1601
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:25,919
is how it felt a little
bit, looking at it brutally.
1602
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:30,199
So, a really tough decision was made
that we could delete his appearance
1603
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,919
in Return of the King, despite
the fact we'd already shot it.
1604
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,199
Chris was terribly
upset about it.
1605
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:38,719
And I remember saying
to him at the time,
1606
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:42,679
"Hello! You're essential
role in Lord of the Rings.
1607
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,040
Now you're part of Star Wars!
1608
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,519
Relax!" You know? (CHUCKLES)
1609
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,719
He was thrilled to be in all
of the new popular movies
1610
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:54,999
that were popular
with, you know?
1611
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,599
I mean, the movies, he was
always in popular movies.
1612
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,799
Even the Hammer films
were popular pictures,
1613
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:02,999
but they weren't mainstream
popular, like blockbuster popular.
1614
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:05,319
And when you get into
working with George Lucas
1615
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:08,159
and working with Peter Jackson,
I mean, now you're talking about
1616
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:11,359
these are huge budget movies that
are seen by millions of people
1617
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,879
in the world over, and
it's the top of the heap.
1618
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:16,119
You really can't get
much higher than that.
1619
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:19,199
And I think he was really thrilled
at that point in his career
1620
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,959
to say that, "OK, I did
this. I went from here,
1621
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:26,159
I went from... tiny parts
in swashbuckler movies
1622
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,999
in the early '50s to, you know,
1623
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,759
the top of the heap in playing
with the most respected directors,
1624
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,640
Scorsese included,
in the world."
1625
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,999
He was very aware that these
were big name directors,
1626
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,159
but he seemed to forget that he was
a big name actor or at any rate,
1627
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:46,679
he had a huge heritage
stretching back several decades,
1628
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,079
which is why they wanted him.
1629
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:51,840
But it did constitute
an Indian summer.
1630
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,639
SERAFINOWICZ: (AS LEE) The Lord
of the Rings, quite rightly,
1631
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:02,479
won many awards.
1632
01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:04,959
And then I started to as well.
1633
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:08,239
'I realised that there comes a
point at which they give you awards
1634
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,359
'merely for still being alive.
1635
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:13,279
'I was very moved and
grateful for all of them.
1636
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:16,159
'But there is a none-too-coded
message attached
1637
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,239
'to every Lifetime
Achievement Award,
1638
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:21,519
'which suggests that one
might no longer be considered
1639
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:25,720
'the promising newcomer, and that
one's potential might now be spent.
1640
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,800
'The Old Pipe and
Slippers Award.'
1641
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:33,039
The knighthood
meant a lot to him.
1642
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,959
He was a little disappointed
that it wasn't the Queen.
1643
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,199
I think Prince
Charles knighted him,
1644
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,679
but... still, it meant a lot.
1645
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:43,039
It meant a lot.
1646
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,679
ANNOUNCER: To receive
the honour of knighthood,
1647
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:50,520
Sir Christopher Lee for services
to drama and to charity.
1648
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,359
INTERVIEWER: So, what role would
you like to be most remembered for?
1649
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,039
Probably Jinnah.
1650
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:58,479
I think that's the
most challenging
1651
01:29:58,480 --> 01:30:01,199
and important part
I've ever had.
1652
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,999
There have been others, of course.
The Man with the Golden Gun,
1653
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:07,279
and of course in The Lord
of the Rings, Saruman,
1654
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,279
and Count Dooku.
1655
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:12,759
What's important
to me is that...
1656
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:15,359
it seems that now I'm known
1657
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:18,319
to every generation,
and after all,
1658
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,199
that's what it's all about.
1659
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:21,799
Survival.
1660
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,119
Thank you very much
for speaking to us.
1661
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:26,039
So there you have it.
A knight of the realm
1662
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,119
but still the King of Horror.
1663
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,239
The King of what?
1664
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:32,840
Horror! Don't say
that, dear. I'm not.
1665
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:37,239
But we remember you for- But
I'm not the King of Horror.
1666
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:41,119
I haven't done a horror
film for 34 years.
1667
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:43,119
Can I get you to say - this on camera for me?
- Yes!
1668
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:44,999
And then we can put it straight.
1669
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,560
Please don't refer to me
as the King of Horror.
1670
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,440
(DRAMATIC MUSIC)
1671
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:16,159
The day before he passed away,
we thought he was coming home.
1672
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:19,479
He was being himself. I
thought he looked good, right?
1673
01:31:19,480 --> 01:31:22,679
I thought he was going home.
The doctor said, "He's fine.
1674
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,639
He looks good. He looks well."
And that night he said, "Oh!
1675
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:27,799
The Lord of the Rings
is on TV, right?
1676
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:30,759
So, we'll watch The Lord of the
Rings with the nurses, right?
1677
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:34,279
I'll explain to you how the movie
is." Because he loved the movie.
1678
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:38,079
So, he watched that night The
Lord of the Rings with the nurses,
1679
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:41,119
and we went home and we
were already thinking,
1680
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:43,239
"OK, he's coming back."
1681
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:45,039
Then that night,
1682
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:47,359
all of a sudden, I was asleep
1683
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,399
and I saw Christina stressed
1684
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:53,159
and saying, "Daddy is gone."
1685
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:55,599
And it was a very-
1686
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,479
It actually, it
hit us really hard
1687
01:31:58,480 --> 01:32:01,079
because we thought that he-
1688
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:03,639
I actually thought
that he was eternal.
1689
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:06,599
I thought that he would...
1690
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:09,639
he would go past 100.
I really did think so.
1691
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:12,319
So, it was a shock. It was more,
1692
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,519
I thought, "Well,
he's in hospital.
1693
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,639
He's got some respiratory problems."
But he's always had problems.
1694
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:19,680
He always had things.
1695
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:23,599
But he just passed
away. That was it.
1696
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,559
It was peaceful.
1697
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:28,080
He didn't suffer. He
just went to sleep.
1698
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,239
I was coming off stage,
1699
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:35,879
got a message from Gitte
on my answering machine.
1700
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,959
I had friends in my dressing
room who'd come to have a drink,
1701
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:43,040
and I suddenly burst into tears and
told everyone to leave the room.
1702
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:46,439
I go to London.
1703
01:32:46,440 --> 01:32:48,519
Now part of me always has
in the back of my mind,
1704
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:51,399
"I must give Christopher a call."
You know? I'm still not quite-
1705
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:54,559
'Cause London just, somehow when
I'm in London, I get that thing,
1706
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:56,639
"Give Christopher a call"
gets triggered in me.
1707
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:58,719
And so I still haven't
got quite used to the idea
1708
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:00,760
that he's not there anymore.
1709
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:05,719
Knowing him was a...
1710
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:09,479
one of the perks of being
in the movie business.
1711
01:33:09,480 --> 01:33:11,520
I miss him greatly.
1712
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:16,079
Christopher was certainly,
certainly one of those people
1713
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:18,200
that was very much a part of me.
1714
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:22,119
Very deeply much a part of me.
1715
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:23,999
I feel...
1716
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:27,640
just gratified that he was
so much part of my life.
1717
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:30,360
And, uh...
1718
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:34,080
he made my life
that much better.
1719
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:37,720
Last time I saw Christopher?
1720
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,759
It was about four
months before he died.
1721
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:44,519
I went to visit him in his
flat in Cadogan Square.
1722
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:47,319
I just felt, I don't
know, I got emotional
1723
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:49,639
because he was talking about
dying and I was saying,
1724
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:51,759
"Will you stop it?" You know?
1725
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:53,359
"Jesus, Chris!
1726
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:56,199
I didn't come to see you to
get depressed." You know?
1727
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,239
Actually, he became
pretty funny after that.
1728
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:01,279
And that's the last
time I saw him.
1729
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:04,679
I really, I really loved him.
1730
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:07,439
I was delighted and
honoured to know him,
1731
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:09,480
and I miss him terribly.
1732
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:15,399
What really choked me
up was the next day
1733
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:17,999
I looked up something about him
1734
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,359
and it said, "Christopher
Lee WAS an actor..."
1735
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,999
They changed the 'is'
to 'was' in 24 hours
1736
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,280
and that really broke my heart.
1737
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:34,680
Well, there we go.
1738
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:37,799
Our time draws to a close
1739
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:40,599
and the grave
beckons me once more.
1740
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:43,959
I do hope you have
enjoyed this exhumation
1741
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:45,959
as much as I have.
1742
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:48,000
Good evening.
1743
01:34:57,320 --> 01:35:03,160
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