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That's what he does! 9 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:10,480 And you crave it. 10 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,800 And Defoe scores again! 11 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,320 I wanted it every single game. 12 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,480 And I just wanted to do whatever it took to get that feeling. 13 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,640 I didn't want to just be a good scorer. 14 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,440 I wanted to master it. 15 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,240 I want to see my face on the back of the paper. 16 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,280 I wanted to be the one to get the love from the fans. 17 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,560 I want it to be me. 18 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,320 Always wanted to show people how good I was. 19 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:56,600 Why? 20 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,600 I don't know. 21 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,240 But I think for me it was always more than just football. 22 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,320 Yeah, so I've got the keys yesterday. Here we are. 23 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:37,680 Canning Town to the countryside. 24 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,080 Don't worry about all this stuff. 25 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,960 This is my guy that does all my TVs. 26 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,640 When I announced retirement, it's the hardest thing I've had to do. 27 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,240 - You know the TV units? - Yes. 28 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,640 When you've been playing for, like, 20 odd years, it's a culture shock. 29 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,080 You've got speakers. We can utilize these. 30 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,320 Now, obviously, I can sit back and enjoy life. 31 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:02,440 - No problem. - Yeah. 32 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,680 'Cause I've got guys coming in, they starting painting tomorrow. 33 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,760 The amount of times I moved houses, like... 34 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:12,280 And even when you go into different clubs 35 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,720 and even, like, just renting houses and, like, the amount of times. 36 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,160 But it's nicer because this is home. 37 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,560 They said, 'What you want in the house? Give us like a wish list.' 38 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,200 So I was like, okay, then. 39 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:27,080 So I want, I don't know, a little cinema. 40 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,920 Right, let me-- I want the lights on. This is the bar. 41 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,120 I want a games room. 42 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,000 Can you play snooker? 43 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,920 Probably get a few pictures on the wall here. 44 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,600 Not fussed on swimming pools. Can't swim. 45 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,480 - So... - So what's through there? 46 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:47,640 There's a pool. 47 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,000 This is going to be my dining room. 48 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,400 And the reason I like this house, 'cause it's quite like... 49 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,800 Even with nothing in it, it's not done up yet, 50 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,760 but it's still, yeah, spacious, but it still feels cosy. 51 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,560 And I've obviously got a few ideas. 52 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,880 I sound like an interior designer. 53 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,360 I might get a job! 54 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,760 Oh, my God, look at this. 55 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,560 England tracksuits. 56 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,480 My God, there's so much stuff. 57 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:21,280 What is this? 58 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,120 Oh, look at this. 59 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:27,680 Nine-one Wigan. 60 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,000 White Hart Lane, five goals, this boot... 61 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,560 Defoe's in here, can he finish it again? 62 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,280 Oh, you bet he can! 63 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,320 He's got five. 64 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,160 Five goals... 65 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,240 Wowsers, look at this shirt. 66 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:48,440 Here goes Defoe. 67 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,240 That's what he does! 68 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,360 So I think this is the shirt I wore against Hull. 69 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:56,680 I've scored a hat-trick. 70 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,000 Defoe to Lennon... 71 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,320 back to Defoe! 72 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,640 Oh! What a bullet! 73 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,200 It's a good I kept everything. A lot of players don't keep stuff. 74 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,880 They just get rid of stuff, but I just keep stuff. 75 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,360 How does this compare to the house that you grew up in? 76 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,160 How does it compare? 77 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,520 Obviously no comparison. 78 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,160 The house I grew up in, I grew up in my nan's house in Canning Town. 79 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,480 I'm sure if my nan was alive, she would be like, 'My God,' I can imagine. 80 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:30,640 She would love it. 81 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:32,320 She would have loved it. 82 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:38,880 I grew up in East London. 83 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:44,160 Grew up in Canning Town, Ordnance Road. 84 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:46,880 So my mum was... 85 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,320 yeah, 17 when she got pregnant. 86 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:51,920 Imagine how that went down. 87 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,360 I was still living at home with my parents. 88 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,120 I was a baby. 89 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,160 My mum, she obviously, she screamed at me as they do, mothers. 90 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,440 But then she calmed down very quickly and was very supportive. 91 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,520 She was lucky she got support from nan and grandad, but... 92 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:12,960 it must have been tough. 93 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,400 You've got to very quickly realise 94 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,480 you're going to be responsible for this human being, 95 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,280 and that's your priority. 96 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,520 Jermain used to love jumping on things, running around. 97 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,040 He was just so hype. Hyper, hyper, hyper. 98 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,200 You can imagine what it was like. 99 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:36,520 Yeah, he kept me busy, Jermain, honestly. 100 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,000 From then on, Jermain just loved kicking a ball. 101 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:44,520 My nan used to scream all the time. 102 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:47,920 'Jermain, what did you break? Jermain, you break my picture!' 103 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,240 'You break my lightbulbs!' 104 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,080 'Jermain! Sandra, Jermain's breaking all my things!' 105 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,880 And I'm like, oh, here we go. I get this every day. 106 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:57,840 And this went on for years. 107 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,720 In love with the game, nothing has changed. 108 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:09,640 Okay, so, uh... 109 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,800 So this is... this is a cup final that we played in. 110 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,440 This is another cup final. 111 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,680 And this is another game. 112 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,480 This one's a good'un. 113 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,360 Yeah, I dug 'em out. They were in the loft, innit? 114 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:41,120 It was a proper television guy that came and done this video for us. 115 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,880 There's Jermain. There I am, yeah. 116 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,160 Yeah. 117 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,800 Bertie Knight, special man. Really special. 118 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:53,840 He had a vision. 119 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,400 Senrab was my first Sunday team. 120 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,400 Amazing history. 121 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,080 We had the best players in East London, 122 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,080 and so many players have gone on to play in a Premier League play for England... 123 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:10,320 played for Senrab. 124 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:15,480 Ledley King, Sol Campbell, Bobby Zamora, John Terry. 125 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,840 Unbelievable names. I think about now, it's so much pressure. 126 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,960 Even when I was eight, you play for Senrab, you have to win. 127 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,400 Rah-la-la-la rah-la-loo, Senrab boys are better than you! 128 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,040 I don't really like to fly my own kite, saying I'm a talent spotter. 129 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,680 But I told his mum from a very long time ago, from very early, 130 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,760 she was going to be all right because he was a goal machine. 131 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,320 Goal machine, everybody knew him, 132 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,440 from a very, very young age. 133 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,240 If the team done their job properly, 134 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,520 we knew we was going to win because he would score. 135 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,080 Loved scoring goals. 136 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:02,960 Loved celebrating the goals. 137 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,240 The obsession, I don't know where it came from. 138 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,960 He got it from his dad. For sure, he got it from his dad. 139 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:15,080 His dad was an amazing player. 140 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,720 He played for Crystal Palace, for a little bit, but he didn't make it. 141 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,600 Too many distractions, apparently, that's what they said. 142 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:24,560 But, you know, I heard that he was really good. 143 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,120 I think Jermain must have been four and a half, going on to five, 144 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,480 when the relationship broke down and he moved out of the house. 145 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,440 It was hard, very, very hard 146 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,560 because Jermain was quite attached to his dad. 147 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,320 As a kid, you don't know what's going on. You don't understand. 148 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:48,960 Did he ask about his dad? 149 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,040 Oh, yeah. 150 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,640 When he was little, he used to ask all the time. 151 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:54,720 'When is he coming?' 152 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,160 'When is he going to see me? Is Daddy coming?' 153 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,360 When they're younger, they don't understand. 154 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,640 But from that point onwards, it was all me. 155 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,520 I became mum and dad. 156 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,200 Then my mum met my stepdad, Andre, who's an amazing man. 157 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,920 Probably the best stepdad you could ever ask for. 158 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,280 So he was the father figure in my life. 159 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,600 But before then, when my dad was around, I was close with my dad. 160 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,960 Not putting the blame on him, but I feel like there were times 161 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,800 where, when I was younger and had matches, he probably could have come to the games. 162 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,320 I did want him to see every moment. 163 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,840 Mums and dads of Senrab, you know who you are. 164 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,600 For them who don't know who you are, put your hands up 165 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:43,760 because you should be proud of your sons. 166 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,760 Yes, it must be amazing. 167 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,920 When you finish a game, your dad pats you on the back. 168 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,640 Striker Jermain Defoe! 169 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,200 I wanted dad to know how good I was, he loved football. 170 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,120 So, of course, I want him to... I want him to be proud of me. 171 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:03,680 I knew his dad from a longer time. 172 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,480 Very, very, very, very nice guy. 173 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:08,720 But I didn't see the dad at the games. 174 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,280 But it didn't affect his game, you know, to be quite honest. 175 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,280 I mean, if you ask me, it might have helped him to enhance his game 176 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:19,600 you understand? 177 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:24,160 Because, you know, like I said again, his speciality was finishing. 178 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,400 You're the one who gets the glories. 179 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:27,840 Whether Dad's there or not, 180 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,160 Dad's going to hear about it, you understand? 181 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,920 And, you know, he's one of them kids 182 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,400 who would make sure he's doing something to make them hear about it. 183 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:52,920 Stadium of Light. 184 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,280 Since I've left, I've not been back. 185 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:02,720 Hiya. 186 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,880 - Sign my shirt! - Can you sign my ball, please? 187 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:06,960 Sign my shirt? 188 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,520 - And can I have a picture, please? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 189 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,240 Can you sign my shirt? Can you sign my shirt, please? 190 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:13,360 Yeah. 191 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,440 - Can you sign my hand? - Your hand? You have to ask your mum. 192 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,560 When you get the love from the fans, there's no better feeling. 193 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:25,200 Thank you. 194 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:27,640 - Can I get a picture? - No problem. 195 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,040 - You all right? You all right? - Yeah, good, thanks. 196 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,400 Whatever club I've played for, I just always just tried my best. 197 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:37,880 Nice, innit? 198 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,440 Hello, me darlin'. 199 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,640 - Hey! - How are you? 200 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,840 I was listening to you yesterday on the radio. 201 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,240 Oh, the Sounds, Gemma and... 202 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,160 - Yeah, Gemma and Brad. - Yeah. 203 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,120 - Well... - You're on the telly, look. 204 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,320 Well, there you go. And you've made the time to come see me? 205 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:00,960 - As always. - That's lovely. 206 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,120 Every club I've played for means a lot to me. 207 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,240 But I think Sunderland will always be special 208 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,960 because of Bradley Lowery. 209 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,960 A five-year-old mascot who was obviously a massive Sunderland fan 210 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,360 who had neuroblastoma, which is a form of cancer. 211 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,120 We was very close. 212 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:30,400 And even to this day, I still have many good memories of Bradley in my head. 213 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:35,360 Hello? 214 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,200 - Hi. - Hey. 215 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,000 - Hi. - Who's this, Nicole? 216 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,400 Jermain Defoe! 217 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:48,840 - How are you? - All right. 218 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,280 - You okay? - Yeah. 219 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,240 - I love that song! - Yeah. 220 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,920 - I miss that song. - Every single day she comes... 221 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,800 Jermain is patron for the Bradley Lowery Foundation. 222 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:03,040 I just think it was a fitting tribute because of the relationship they had 223 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,640 that he would continue as a part of the foundation. 224 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:14,320 The foundation was set up in 2017 when Bradley passed 225 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,200 to support families to access treatment 226 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,280 or equipment that's not available on the NHS. 227 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,720 And children who have got an illness or a disability 228 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,520 get to come in and spend the day in the box and make them special memories. 229 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,400 It is Bradley's legacy. 230 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,080 Bradley loved that box when it was Jermain's. 231 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,680 He used to sit under the table and play with his iPod or, you know, 232 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:42,920 do what children do. 233 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,440 He loved it, and I love the fact that we can still give them experiences out. 234 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,120 It keeps Bradley's legacy alive. 235 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,320 Defoe! Defoe! Yes, my brother! 236 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,440 It's amazing, it's amazing. It's hard to put in words to describe it. 237 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,280 You know? It's emotional. 238 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,880 You finish playing and you come back and fans still show appreciation. 239 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,200 It makes you feel good. 240 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,760 I wanna do like a proper lap! 241 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,360 Jermain, you're coming back to the Stadium of Light 242 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,520 very soon for the charity game on 8th May. 243 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,200 Would you give us a rundown? 244 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,200 I'm looking forward to coming back, 245 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,160 and hopefully we can get as many fans in as possible for a fantastic cause. 246 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,760 Let's hear it again, everybody, for Jermain Defoe! 247 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:52,960 Cheers, guys. 248 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,240 I never really thought about him being a pro player 249 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,000 until he started 250 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,280 training with Charlton. 251 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,880 I knew him when he was a schoolboy and... 252 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,360 you know, we had Jermain from a very young age. 253 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,880 You could tell early on Jermain was gonna be a top player. 254 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,360 Came in school holidays and trained with the first team, 255 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:26,840 which is unusual. 256 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,360 Keith Peacock, the assistant manager, 257 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,440 gives me a bib, gives somebody else a bib, and then gives Jermain a bib. 258 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,840 And I say to Keith, 'Keith, what are you doing?' 259 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,000 And he said, 'No, he's all right.' 260 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,920 Bang. Into the keep ball, he's decent. 261 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,720 Afterwards, we do finishing. 262 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,840 'It's a competition, me and you, okay? If you beat me, I'll get you some boots.' 263 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,880 And then it's like your hair stands on end. 264 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,280 You're walking in thinking, 'I got my hands full here with him.' 265 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,080 Yeah, he had beaten me, so I had to buy him some boots. 266 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,440 I remember after training, I think I phoned Ian Wright 267 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,080 and I just said to him, I said, 'Cor, seen some kid come in today.' 268 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,120 'I haven't seen anything like it. He's going all the way.' 269 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,520 At that point I thought, 'Oh, there's a chance.' 270 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:26,240 If this is what you want, I'm going to support you all the way. 271 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,080 She always said, 'Just trust me.' 272 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,760 How he eats, rest, look after your body, what time he goes to bed. 273 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,680 All of that I have to just guide him. 274 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,400 Heartbeat used to come on at nine, and I should be walking up the stairs. 275 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,480 It wasn't like, 'Jermain, go to bed now, my sister Chonte.' 276 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,000 It was like Heartbeat 277 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:46,840 and I'd just be walking up the stairs. 278 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,760 Nine o'clock. Who goes to bed at nine o'clock? 279 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:53,960 - What happens if you didn't? - You get the look. 280 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,920 You get that look. I can't even do the look. 281 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,760 I'm 40 and I get the look now, and I'm like, oh. 282 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,520 It very much was teamwork. 283 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,240 And if Jermain's got to go for a game, has got to be at training by 4.30, 284 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,720 and I, you know, I finish work at 4.00, I've got to do it. 285 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,480 I got the sack several times. 286 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,680 But I've just felt like, I'll get another job. 287 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:24,040 But I remember my mum telling me stories about cleaning toilets and stuff, 288 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:25,920 and I always used to think... 289 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,000 'Wow, you're doing stuff that you don't want to do, 290 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,800 but you have to do it because you're doing this for me.' 291 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,240 You're doing all this for me. 292 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,480 Stuff that's uncomfortable, so... 293 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:43,520 But it's like... 294 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,400 I said, 'You're never going to clean toilets again.' 295 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,440 I just... it just fuelled me. 296 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:17,640 Well, this is Lilleshall, the home of the FA National School. 297 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:23,160 For those who don't know it, it's an estate in the heart of Shropshire, 298 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,200 a boarding school for England footballers. 299 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,800 You train every day like a professional. 300 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,160 Yeah, it was like Hogwarts with football pitches. 301 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:38,000 To be playing with the best 16 players at 14 and 15 302 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,920 in the country at the time, it's a good help. 303 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:46,560 When I got selected to go to Lilleshall, that's when I really thought, okay... 304 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,080 this is special. 305 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,840 Because Sol Campbell went there. Andy Cole. Michael Owen. Joe Cole. 306 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,560 Yeah, I remember him coming in. 307 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:56,840 He was tiny back then. 308 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,240 And when a new player comes in, it's like coming into the new school. 309 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:01,920 What you got? What you got? 310 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,480 And I knew from day one that he was a special player, he just had an instinct. 311 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,440 They may look like the boys who deliver your newspaper, 312 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:11,920 but within a couple of years, 313 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,800 their faces will be screaming at you from the back pages. 314 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,160 Take Jermain Defoe, for example. 315 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,400 My mum used to come up to watch the games every weekend, 316 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,480 travelling to Shropshire 2ยฝ hours, 317 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:29,800 and literally my sister was doing all her revision for exams in the car. 318 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,760 But she did it because she wanted to support her brother. 319 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,000 Amazing. 320 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,760 I have to give my family something because the support I had, was... 321 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:41,440 an amazing support. 322 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,920 People see the goals, they don't appreciate how hard he worked. 323 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,240 He's one of the most disciplined footballers. 324 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,920 I wish I would have been as disciplined as Jermain. 325 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,240 But he's a cheeky chappy. 326 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,560 I've got a good story, but... 327 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,080 A girlfriend could come up on Friday night to watch a film. 328 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,520 So she's in my room and we're doing things 329 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,440 that 16-year-olds... boyfriends and girlfriends do. 330 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,560 And at ten o'clock, her dad turned up to pick her up early. 331 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:21,200 And Jermain, he said, 'I'll take you upstairs, no worries.' 332 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,840 So he walked her dad right the way up and her dad opened the door. 333 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,160 I'm there trying to compose myself. 334 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,920 And I could hear him giggling, 335 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,920 and I could have smashed him in his face when I saw him. 336 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,120 He stitched me up massively, yeah. I still ain't got him back for that. 337 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,680 How did Lilleshall compare to East End? 338 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:48,760 Obviously no comparison. 339 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,600 And, yeah, it was going off in the East End back then. 340 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,520 - Yes, yes, yes. - Yes, Ghetts. 341 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,400 You all right? Nice seeing you. 342 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,240 - Damn, crazy. - What are y'all cooking? What's crackin'? 343 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,520 - Album, man. - Yeah. 344 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,480 Wrapping it up now, to be fair, it's been like a... since the last album, 345 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,240 what's that, two... two and a half years? 346 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,720 - Serious? - Yeah. 2 ยฝ years. 347 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,120 - Is that normal? - Sometimes takes longer. 348 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,280 - Serious? - Yeah. 349 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:21,840 It depends on what the narratives, what story I want to tell you. 350 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,320 You always want to have your bangers on, but you also want to tell a story as well. 351 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,040 - You want to say something worth saying. - Let's hear some tunes. 352 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:46,640 What?! 353 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,320 Somethin' else. Know what I'm sayin'? 354 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:58,680 Bro. 355 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:00,920 It's mad. 356 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,240 Like, I was a kid. 357 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,520 So, like, when I'm seeing you do your thing, it's amazing, like... 358 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:12,320 For someone from the area, across the way, yeah, it's cold. 359 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,320 Like you make it a reality, you know what I'm sayin'? 360 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,880 When I see kids with Defoe T-shirt on and it hits me, I'm like, wow. 361 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,440 Then you're talking like this and doing your thing. 362 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,360 - Yeah. - It's... it's crazy. 363 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,440 It's mad, bro. 364 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,440 I love the East End, proud to be from the East End. 365 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,480 There was these DVDs I used to watch of all the grime artists, 366 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,920 Wiley, Kano, my brother Gavin. 367 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,880 My dad had four boys and Gavin was on the music scene at the time. 368 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,040 Yeah, Esco was a cold emcee, man. 369 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,840 Really good. A lot of potential. 370 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,680 That was a special time for these areas. 371 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,040 And Gavin would come to my mum's house and spend weekends with me and stuff. 372 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:07,400 We were really close, but I never went to a nightclub ever, 373 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,120 because I thought, if I drink, 374 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,920 this might affect me from getting where I need to get to. 375 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,120 Even when a lot of my friends were sort of like going out and stuff like that, 376 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,800 I never really wanted to do that. 377 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,160 I was single minded. 378 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:22,760 I had blinkers on. 379 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:25,080 I just want to play football. 380 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,120 Sandra! 381 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:37,120 Right. 382 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,920 I could murder a cup of tea. 383 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,240 Harry Redknapp. 384 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:47,560 What a man. 385 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,320 I love Harry. 386 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:50,840 Everyone loves Harry. 387 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,640 Cheers, thank you. 388 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:02,200 Well, I was back at West Ham, and I turned up to watch the youth team. 389 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,120 We played Charlton, and they beat us five-one. 390 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,400 I said, 'How can they be beating us 5-1?' 391 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,600 'Have they got better kids at Charlton?' 392 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,120 They said, 'This guy gets the kids, he's good.' 393 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,920 So I waited in the tea room and he came in, 394 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,360 and I went over and said, 'How are you doing?' 395 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,760 We started chatting, 'Would you be interested in coming to West Ham?' 396 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,440 He had 'Hammers' tattooed on his arm. 397 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,120 - So that was it, really. - Is there much loyalty in football? 398 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,480 Not really. 399 00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:34,560 He said Jermain Defoe was there and we might be able to get him. 400 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,160 It's a bit of a sore point. 401 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,920 West Ham came in and, you know, took him. 402 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,280 Charlton claim the Under-16 International was poached by the Hammers. 403 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,760 Today the Football League ordered West Ham to pay 404 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,800 over one and a half million pounds. 405 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,320 It was a meeting clouded in secrecy. West Ham left, refusing to comment. 406 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,000 Charlton were a little more vocal. 407 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,400 I'm concerned about the way rules operate in this country. 408 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,960 We aren't happy with the compensation. 409 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,840 At that time it was a lot of money. 410 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,240 Yeah. So we got him down and got the deal done eventually. 411 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,480 Listen, it is water under the bridge, 412 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,760 but I'm still disappointed with it all. 413 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,200 - Even 20 years later? - Absolutely, yeah. 414 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,880 You think back, could have made a difference. 415 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,040 It was the best. 416 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,720 And for my mum, it must have been a special day because, you know, 417 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,800 all the hard work and all of a sudden we're at this point where 418 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,840 I've signed a professional contract for West Ham. 419 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,880 It was a big deal. To be honest, I cried. 420 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,400 We're from the East End, so that was our club, West Ham. 421 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,080 I met Ian Wright as well that day. 422 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,800 I was definitely starstruck, to be honest. 423 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,120 I had all Wright's posters all over the wall. 424 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,560 And then I shook his hand, just couldn't believe what was going on. 425 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,120 I was just so excited. 426 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,240 Like a kid. Wanted to put my boots on. I wanted to show Wright how good I was. 427 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,840 That was the Master and the Apprentice there, right there. 428 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,320 And there's so much of that in football, 429 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,640 where you affect the next generation. 430 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,160 I used to come in early, put his boots on. He probably doesn't know. 431 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,560 I used to put his boots on, go in the indoor hall 432 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,600 and just practice my finishing. 433 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,680 After an hour, come back inside, polish them and put them back on the peg. 434 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,360 He probably doesn't know that. 435 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,080 Do you remember his debut? 436 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,520 Oh, the fact that we scored, didn't he, against Walsall, wasn't it? 437 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,600 I remember sitting on the bench, big baggy shirt, pouring down with rain. 438 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,960 It was nil-nil at that point and I looked at the clock, only six minutes to go. 439 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,760 First sample of first team football for Jermain Defoe. 440 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,200 It just happened so quick. 441 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,960 His shot was blocked, Cole against the bar! 442 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,840 And smashed into the net! 443 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,960 A fairytale story for Jermain Defoe! 444 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,480 It just erupted, the fans behind the goal just went mad. 445 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,920 Goosebumps, it was incredible. 446 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,480 West Ham have a new hero, 17-year-old Jermain Defoe. 447 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,240 I felt like I needed that moment. 448 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,640 I wanted to show people how good I was. 449 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,200 - You think your dad was watching? - I think so. 450 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,640 Because my family are West Ham fans anyway. 451 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,680 And there was a pub on the corner near Upton Park, 452 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,440 and he always used to be in that pub talking to the fans and stuff like that. 453 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,240 This is where Jimmy drank. 454 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,240 This was his local, and they would all be here on match days. 455 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,960 Jimmy sat over there behind you. 456 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,680 Loved his football. Was very proud of his son. 457 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,320 Oh, if his son played, he was happy, 458 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,200 but if he scored, over the moon. 459 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,600 The roof would go off. 460 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,480 And then we'd have to hear all day the songs of the West Ham. 461 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,480 From what I know, their relationship wasn't fantastic, 462 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,200 but he was still proud of him. 463 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,400 You know, perhaps from afar. 464 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,560 I don't know, but...it's quite sad. 465 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,680 But he was very proud of his boy. 466 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,600 Perhaps he didn't tell him, but he told everybody else. 467 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,720 When Jermain did his debut for West Ham, 468 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,040 and Jimmy told me this, he was in that same pub... 469 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,560 he said, 'I cried.' 470 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,920 'I cried. I couldn't believe it.' 471 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,040 'I cried and said, "Yeah, that's my son."' 472 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,960 Oh! Immensely proud. 473 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,040 Jimmy was immensely proud. 474 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,080 How could you not be? 475 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,880 I got a phone call from Mel Machin at Bournemouth, the manager, 476 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,400 rung me and said, 'We're struggling, bottom of the league, can't score a goal.' 477 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,760 'Have you got a striker that we could loan?' 478 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,000 'I'm desperate.' I said, 'I've got a kid you can have.' 479 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,880 'Oh, no,' he said. 'We don't need a kid, really.' 480 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,720 'This league is a tough league.' 481 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,160 'It's a men's, you know. How old is he or she?' 482 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,440 'Seventeen.' 483 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,200 'Oh, no, no, we don't, you know.' 484 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,680 - 'Well, how big is he?' - 'Oh, I'd say he's about 5' 6".' 485 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,720 He said, 'No, no, he's no good to us.' I said, 'Well, he's a bit special.' 486 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,800 'This ain't no normal kid.' 487 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,840 'Well, all right, okay.' 488 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,320 So I talked Mel into actually taking him on loan. 489 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,040 So you're going to Bournemouth. Never heard of Bournemouth. 490 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,320 I'm from the East End. Don't know where Bournemouth is. 491 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,840 And he went and scored ten goals in ten consecutive games, 492 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,000 which broke the record. 493 00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,080 Through to Defoe! 494 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,600 A brilliant steal by Defoe! He's done it! 495 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,480 What a performance by the kid! 496 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,160 Told you so. 497 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,680 By the time I went back to West Ham, my mentality was, 498 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,400 I'm ready to do this now. It's a different level. 499 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,480 Different ball game. 500 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,120 A very warm welcome from Upton Park. 501 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,920 This is my chance, my moment. 502 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,480 Everything I've done is for this moment. 503 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,960 And it could be in here! 504 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,040 It's Jermain Defoe! 505 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,760 And I'm off. I'm not looking back now, I'm going. 506 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,280 Oh, wonderfully done! 507 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,920 Isn't that fantastic? 508 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,120 He was a goal scorer. 509 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,560 He had that instinct... 510 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,000 Lovely, and what a great goal by Defoe! 511 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,200 ...that ability to bang balls in the back of the net. 512 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,280 Fans, that's what they want. 513 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,680 A kid from down the road from where they were, and he's doing it. 514 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,360 Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 515 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,680 Yeah, they loved him. 516 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,880 When the fans love and appreciate you, there's no better feeling. 517 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,120 At this point, I'm doing really well and people are talking about me. 518 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,040 The fans love me and my dad's in the East End, 519 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,880 you know, he goes in all the pubs, it's all West Ham fans. 520 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,640 So of course he's going to get in contact. 521 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,120 We would speak, he would message me. 522 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,360 That was always nice. 523 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,240 But there was never times where we would meet up 524 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,160 and go out together or go for dinner. 525 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,440 It wasn't like that. 526 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,160 Maybe he was happy supporting from a distance 527 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,600 or being in the pubs with the fans and having a drink, watching it like that. 528 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,080 Maybe, I don't know. 529 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,960 Not only that, he was battling his own problems. 530 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,360 You know, he had a problem with alcohol. 531 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,680 Maybe he wanted to hide that. 532 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,720 Maybe he wanted to hide that. 533 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,560 That first full season at West Ham was unbelievable. 534 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,440 And then Harry left the club. Glenn Roeder took over. 535 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:04,920 And then the season after, Glenn got ill, which was a hard time for everyone. 536 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,000 It was the end of the season, we were struggling, we left it too late. 537 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,080 West Ham United have been relegated. 538 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,760 So many of the faces that tramp off the pitch here will be sold. 539 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,200 They have to be sold. 540 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,200 I was represented by a young agent 541 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,800 and the conversation happened, he said, 'Right, 542 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,920 hand in a transfer request because the players are gonna leave.' 543 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,040 'You need to be in the Premier League.' 544 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,600 'You need to be one of the first to go, basically.' 545 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,840 I didn't feel good about it. 546 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,560 But... I just trusted my agent. 547 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,400 But the backlash was brutal. 548 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,200 It was very traumatic for him. 549 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,200 It was... it was horrible. 550 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,520 It was horrible. He was all in the papers. 551 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,120 It was just not nice. 552 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,760 The fans were very angry. 553 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,400 I wished that never happened... 554 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,360 Because I loved the club. The club gave me a chance. 555 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,960 The fans loved me... a lot of my family were West Ham fans. 556 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,600 It was a horrible feeling. 557 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,480 I've been in situations where I've been booed... 558 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,320 by fans and given stick at different stages of your career, 559 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,600 and it's like, you know, you build a thick skin as a footballer. 560 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,600 You can't make it without having it. 561 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:36,320 You have to be bullet-proof really, and you build that from a young age. 562 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,480 It was an opportunity for a fresh start because all the stuff at West Ham. 563 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,600 I'm gonna play well, work hard, and I just want to be the best. 564 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,240 I was still only young. 565 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,280 It was a lot of pressure. 566 00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:57,640 A newbie arrive, you look at him and say, 'Let's see this guy,' you know? 567 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,800 And then you train and they start bam, bam, bam, 568 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,320 and you're thinking, 'Wow!' 569 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,560 On your debut, fans expect. 570 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,520 I went for nine millio, which was a lot, 571 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,280 and I had to justify that. 572 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,200 In the warm-up, I was quite anxious, to be honest. 573 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,760 I'd been watching him, I'd seen Jermain, I knew. 574 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,240 You know, strikers see straight away other strikers 575 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,600 and see how good they are. 576 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,640 Robbie Keane said, 'Just relax. Play. Just do what you do.' 577 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,800 Jermain Defoe blasts! 578 00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:35,400 Oh! What a treat! Thank you! 579 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,920 Just the roar when you get that sort of reception is a nice feeling. 580 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,480 Yeah, it was on. 581 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,240 What a goal! 582 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,160 It was 22 goal I scored in that first full season. 583 00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:55,960 - I had to, though. - Are you happy when you're scoring goals? 584 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,080 Am I happy? 585 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,560 More than happy. You get the best version of me. 586 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,920 When I come home, I'm happy, I'm smiley. 587 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,520 When I go out, I want to go out. I want to go places. 588 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,240 I remember finishing training. 589 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,040 I'm driving through Chingford, in my Range Rover, there was like a cage. 590 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,800 I see these kids playing football. 591 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,360 I remember saying to Moses, 'Shall we have a kick-around?' 592 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,840 'Are you crazy?' I said, 'Just stop the car.' 593 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,240 walked onto the pitch, said, 'Listen.' 594 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,200 I said, 'Just forget about who I am. Let's just play.' 595 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,880 - Good to see ya. - Nice to see you, my friend. 596 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,640 Years later I remember being at Tottenham and this young Harry Kane said, 597 00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:36,760 He said, 'Remember that day when you stopped in Chingford 598 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,560 in your black Range Rover and you had a kick-around?' 599 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,520 I was like, 'Yeah, why?' 'Because I was one of those kids.' 600 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,760 I was like, 'What?' 601 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,600 Yeah, I remember it clearly. 602 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,440 It was great for me to be able to see that and learn, 603 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,400 and I just wanted to soak it all in. 604 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,920 I look back, it feels like it weren't too long ago. 605 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,040 Hope the kids are listening to that. 606 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,600 We're all part of the same lineage, the same history. 607 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,880 And I know Jermain learned a lot from Ian Wright. 608 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:06,080 And I know that Harry Kane learned a lot from Jermain Defoe. 609 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,840 It's mad, I'll tell you the truth. 610 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,600 I need to go and do it one day, I need to continue that tradition. 611 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,640 It should be like that. 612 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:16,080 Like I said before, 613 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,280 you affect the next generation. 614 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,640 It's important to give back. 615 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,240 It's easy for people to come and talk to me about goals and football. 616 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,560 But away from that, what did you give back? 617 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,080 - Welcome back. - All right? 618 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,680 I'm good. You too? 619 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,000 It's exactly the same, you know? 620 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,480 - Some things don't change. - This corridor. Wow. 621 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,160 What's happenin'? 622 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,320 - How you been? Sorry, man. - No worries. 623 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,080 - What lesson is this one? - Science, science. 624 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,640 - Oh, science. - Yeah. 625 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,280 Two days, right? 626 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:06,920 Nice to see you, man. 627 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,360 What year is this? 628 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,160 - Year eight? - Yeah. 629 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,360 Young, young, whole life ahead. 630 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,080 You have to concentrate. Yeah? 631 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:18,520 Nice. I'm gonna have a walk-around. 632 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,560 - Maybe see you later. - Yeah. 633 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,320 Cool. Thanks, sir. Cheers. 634 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,640 - Back to the cage? - Yeah. 635 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,120 - See the foot boys playing football? - Yeah. 636 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,360 I bet you've got many memories from the cage. 637 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,440 Oh, my God. 638 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,520 I'd always enjoyed my coaching. 639 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,280 Relax, relax, relax! 640 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,720 I remember the feeling I'd get scoring goals. 641 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,840 Pass forward, pass forward, quick! Nice. 642 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,040 Good block, good block. 643 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,440 But coaching is probably the nearest you get to playing. 644 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,400 Hold it, hold it. Pass it, pass it, pass it. 645 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,560 Do this one again. You see, when you get here... 646 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,520 When you get here... 647 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,080 you've got this space, you don't need to pass early. 648 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,160 - Understand? - Yeah. 649 00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:01,240 So if you bring it... and then once you commit them, 650 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,920 when you're close, you play it, understand? 651 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,840 Be confident, stay on the ball. 652 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,200 Play, play, play, play! 653 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,280 Stay on it, stay on it. Get it back, get it back. 654 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,120 Better. 655 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,040 Go, go, go! 656 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,040 A little finishing, no? 657 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:23,800 All right, come around, boys. 658 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,800 That was good. Good standard. What did youse think? 659 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,280 - You enjoyed that? - Yeah. 660 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,720 I liked the intensity, youse work hard. 661 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,840 So we've got lots of aspiring footballers here. 662 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,120 What would be your one kind of piece of advice? 663 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,040 The work ethic, really. Work hard every day. 664 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:43,680 Um, standards. 665 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,840 I say standards, I don't mean just when you're training. 666 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,960 I mean the way you talk, the way you treat your teachers. 667 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,040 That's standards. 668 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,440 But express yourself every day. Enjoy it, help each other. 669 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,040 You've got to stick together no matter what, and with a bit of luck, 670 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,040 maybe one day I'll be home watching you play for England. 671 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,280 Boys, what do you say? 672 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,160 - Thank you. - Cheers, guys, thank you. 673 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,560 - Thanks. - Cheers, boys. 674 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,200 - Cheers. - Thanks very much. 675 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,040 - No problem. - Okay, boys? Well done. 676 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,800 - Well done. - Well done, boys. 677 00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:20,200 There was talk about me getting in the England squad 678 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,320 because I was scoring a lot of goals and I was in a good place, 679 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,320 and you just get like a... I mean, you get a text. 680 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,920 To find out if you play for England, you get a text?! 681 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,160 You get a text, yeah. You get a text. 682 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,480 I've said it before. 'You get a text?' 683 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,560 You literally get a text. It's the best message you'd ever get. 684 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,680 Wow. Just the pinnacle. 685 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,720 You're representing your country. 686 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,120 Again, I cried. 687 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,600 I cry all the way through. 688 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,920 World Cup qualifying game's different. You have to win. 689 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,880 Elite players, the best. 690 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,680 David Beckham. Michael Owen. Steven Gerrard. Frank Lampard. 691 00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,800 You don't get bigger. 692 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,560 Playing against Poland. 693 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,920 Difficult game, hostile. 694 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,080 From that first whistle, I was on it. 695 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,680 I remember Beckham getting it. I was in the box, my back to goal. 696 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,560 I remember Beckham flicking it around the corner, all my instincts kicked in. 697 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,600 Just unbelievable feeling. 698 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,000 At that point, the best moment in my life. 699 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,280 At that particular time... 700 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,280 England footballers were becoming massive superstars. 701 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,920 Editors realised their private lives suddenly became of interest. 702 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,400 The gloves were off. 703 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,840 Everyone was fair game. 704 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,560 This is what is published pretty soon afterwards. 705 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,520 I just want you to kind of look at that. 706 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,240 Yeah, I remember that when that came out. 707 00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:06,040 They build you up and then they knock you down. 708 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,760 And that's... that's what they were doing there. 709 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,880 It was hard to understand because I thought that 710 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,040 once you're doing well for your country, 711 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,400 I thought all the stuff in the papers after that would be good. 712 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,720 It's like, 'Yeah, I'm up here.' 'How can we knock him down?' 713 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,320 You know, 'What can we dig up? What can we find?' 714 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,440 I remember speaking to my mum, she was devastated. 715 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:32,920 He was vulnerable at that time. 716 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,920 It's hurtful, but Jermain grew to be very resilient 717 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,280 because you have to be. 718 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,120 Behind closed doors, there was a circulation war. 719 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,800 Editors were looking at any little grain of hope of increasing their circulation. 720 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:53,920 Players like Jermain Defoe were mere fodder for the tabloid press. 721 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,880 I mean, after this point, it was... it was a regular thing. 722 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,040 And this girl that I was involved with is a 'love rat'. 723 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,440 I've hurt people over the years, but no one's perfect. 724 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,920 You're young and successful and single. 725 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,720 Everyone wants to meet someone, fall in love, you know. 726 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,640 But because I was in the public eye, I was a target at that time. 727 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,760 When you don't expect it, it's tough. 728 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,040 Paps outside my house. 729 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,040 Paps following me. It does make you paranoid. 730 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,120 Come to our restaurant and there's like 50 paps there. 731 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,040 'I didn't know they was there.' 732 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,640 People close to footballers realised 733 00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,000 there was a new industry for them to make money. 734 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,440 It was difficult to trust people, which is a horrible feeling when you question 735 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,000 how genuine they are, but I could never, ever, for years, 736 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,520 could never connect to anyone, I had a guard up. 737 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,880 I could date people, but I could never connect. 738 00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,360 - Hi. You all right? - Yeah, good. 739 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,560 - I'm good. - Some flowers. 740 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,480 Oh, thanks, how lovely. 741 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,720 - Let me take these off. - Leave them on, that's fine. 742 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,000 I have to wash the floor. 743 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,920 This reminds me of my mum's dogs, you know? 744 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,320 I love this picture. 745 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,680 Still a lot of nice memories. 746 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,680 Of course, like it was towards the end, it was, as you can imagine, tough. 747 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,800 Bradley just absolutely adored seeing Jermain. 748 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,520 When I see him here next to Bradley's bench, 749 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,920 it just brings back a lot of memories, special memories, happy memories. 750 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,720 The connection between them, it was special. 751 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,560 I feel everything happens for a reason, and it does change you as a person. 752 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,840 It definitely changes you as a person. 753 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,240 How you look at life, how you look at things. 754 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,800 Puts everything into perspective. 755 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,080 He's probably just reminiscing on the times that he had with Bradley 756 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,000 and how that made him feel as well, 757 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,400 because, although he did a lot for Bradley, 758 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,280 I think Bradley did a lot for Jermain. 759 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:43,880 Come on, then, guys. 760 00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:46,600 Let's rock and roll. 761 00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:53,920 - I can put it somewhere else. - No, no, no. 762 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,160 - Is it all right? - Fine. 763 00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:57,600 - Yeah? - This is your means of business, right? 764 00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:58,680 Yeah. 765 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,360 So, can you just explain to me what is the job of a football agent? 766 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,400 No. 767 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,880 To some people, the job of a football agent 768 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,240 is to sit there, just pick up the phone, and just talk numbers. 769 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,840 But for me, an agent's role is to give a player 770 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,160 the best advice to help them fulfil their potential. 771 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:29,720 And that's it. 772 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,600 Anyway, I went to the same school as his mum. 773 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,440 I used to hang around with Jermain's dad, Jimmy. 774 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,240 So I was going to be even more fierce 775 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,600 to help him, protect him, and try to help him fulfil his potential. 776 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,480 Because football is the dream factory. 777 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,280 I was hoping to go to the World Cup in Germany. 778 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,360 I've just felt razor sharp, confident. 779 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,960 I felt strong in my body. 780 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,640 His profile was massive. 781 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:01,800 Cissรฉ. 782 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,360 Kakรก. 783 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:04,960 Zidane. 784 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,080 Beckham. 785 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,520 Defoe. 786 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,120 Until that point, I felt I did enough 787 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,640 because this, it's... obviously based on merit. 788 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:14,400 And I remember being at home and... 789 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,000 I remember waiting for the text. 790 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,440 I thought, the squad's there, I've got the TV on. 791 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,280 I thought, I must be in the squad. 792 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,880 Drafted into the World's Cup squad, a teenager who is virtually unknown. 793 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,200 Wake up, Theo Walcott. 794 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,440 You're not dreaming. It's actually really happening. 795 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,440 I hope people will say after the World Cup 796 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,160 that it was a good gamble. 797 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:39,680 I was devastated. 798 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,160 I just couldn't understand it. 799 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:45,400 And I was getting messages from all of England fans were like, 800 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,200 you know, 'He should be going.' 801 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,840 Looking back now, it was the wrong call, wasn't it? 802 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,800 Go to a World Cup's the pinnacle. 803 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:53,880 And, uh... 804 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:55,920 yeah, I felt for him. 805 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,240 Big disrespect, in my point of view anyway, you know. 806 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,320 Theo's a good player maybe, but... 807 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,040 that was... nah. 808 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,560 It was a strange, what did they take Theo for? 809 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,160 It was about going and trying to win the World Cup. 810 00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:12,600 So, why wouldn't you take him? You'd guarantee goals. 811 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:18,160 I always believe within myself, if England had used him more regular... 812 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,840 starting... England, would have... 813 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,800 England, there's a great possibility England might have done something. 814 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,640 After that, I wanted to get my head down and play football. 815 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,080 Remember, I loved Tottenham. 816 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,360 And it just happened where my contract was running down and, you know, 817 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,440 there's negotiations in the background. 818 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,680 - You know, Juande Ramos come in. - Morning. 819 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,000 The language barrier, I didn't have any relationship with him. 820 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,480 Didn't speak to him, I'd speak to Gus, someone I played with, 821 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,480 and I remember speaking to Gus, 'What's going on?' 822 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,760 But those negotiations, they were tough. 823 00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,000 The club wanted... 824 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,880 Jermain being an asset, to get something. 825 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,320 Like it's important, he cannot go for free. 826 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,360 And Juande had to go and talk to him. 827 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,040 I was there, to tell him, 'Okay, Jermain, you must renew your contract, 828 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,520 or then, you know, in January you need to go 829 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,640 because, the club needs to get some money.' 830 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,720 I didn't feel it was right. 831 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,280 When you are in that conversation, you think... 832 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,080 because I was a football player... and if you tell me that, we got a problem. 833 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,080 He said, 'Or you can leave.' 834 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,920 'If you want to, leave, tell your agent, no problem.' 835 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,360 To me, he could have gone anywhere. 836 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,920 He had the ability to be world class. 837 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,640 Daniel Levy couldn't believe it and was like, 'I'll speak to the manager.' 838 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,680 But when a manager says that, that was it. I just felt disrespected. 839 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:51,720 Ramos. 840 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,880 It was a hard time for me at the time. 841 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,560 And when maybe you're not feeling totally happy... 842 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,560 I'd always go back and watch my goals just to sort of like... 843 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,800 just remember that buzz, the roar from the fans of scoring a goal 844 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:21,880 and stuff like that. 845 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,800 That's a good finish, that one. Sharp. 846 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,000 Even now, I always watch my goals. 847 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:30,760 Just obsessed. 848 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,920 I enjoyed this goal against Holland. 849 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,480 Jermain Defoe! Of course he can! 850 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,040 How did that even go in? 851 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,440 Like, I was rewinding, watch it again. 852 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:42,960 Gives me a nice feeling. 853 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:46,640 Crouchy, headed back down. 854 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:48,640 - Looking for Defoe... - Cheers, Crouchy. 855 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,120 Yeah, your move to Portsmouth. How did that come about? 856 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,000 It was Harry Redknapp, to be honest. 857 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,000 - I remember getting a phone call. - Yeah, probably. 858 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,960 - Which is... - Breaking all the rules. 859 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,080 Yeah, if he's under contract at Tottenham, he can't be talking to me. 860 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,800 I could be called up before the FA over this. 861 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,080 Yeah, that's how transfers work, you talk... 862 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:13,600 They don't just happen. 863 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,360 I'd spoke to Tottenham, so I had permission to talk to Harry. 864 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,480 I didn't know till transfer day. 865 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,360 A happy Harry Redknapp, it looks like. 866 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,160 - It must be a joy to have him back. - Delighted, yeah. 867 00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:30,960 Again, you know, in football, stuff happens. 868 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,920 But Jermain just wanted to play. 869 00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:36,920 And Harry made players feel like a million dollars, 870 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,440 so you can understand why he went. 871 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:46,440 Delighted to sign him, fantastic signing. He's too good a player not to be played. 872 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,520 Here's Defoe! Shoots! Goal! 873 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,400 A dream debut for Jermain Defoe! 874 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,680 Bringing in Crouchy was your master plan? 875 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,440 Yeah. Crouch and Defoe. 876 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,280 What a pairing, you know? 877 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,160 It's not rocket science, is it, really, 'cause you hit the ball up to Crouchy... 878 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,760 when it dropped, bang, he put it in the back of the net. 879 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,680 One-nil. Game over. 880 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,560 - Good times. - Good times. 881 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,280 Been on a journey together. 882 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,360 Under 18s and 21s. 883 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,080 I've got to be honest with you, there are times he could have passed a lot more. 884 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,160 And times he'd shoot from impossible angles, I'll be like, 885 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:30,400 'fucking square it,' you know what I mean? 886 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,160 But that's what made Jermain Jermain, right? 887 00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:34,840 He was hungry for goals. 888 00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:41,480 I was just happy to be playing every game and scoring goals consistently again. 889 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,480 My first goal, I remember, was Everton away. 890 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,360 And Jermain dinks the goalkeeper. It hits the bar. 891 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,200 I'm going to say it bounces over the line, but I nod it in from half the yard. 892 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,280 I've nicked a goal. 893 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,600 You don't nick a goal off Jermain as David Nugent can testify. 894 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:02,720 Trust me. Google it. 895 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,400 - I just thought, how can you do that? - I don't think that they still speak. 896 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,560 I felt wanted. It was nice. It was a nice feeling. 897 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,480 But for me it wasn't like... 898 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,480 I mean this in the nicest possible way. 899 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,600 It wasn't like, I'm going to Portsmouth and stay there. 900 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,040 I just needed to go somewhere to kickstart my career 901 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,280 and hopefully, you know, kick on from there. 902 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,280 Harry Redknapp arrived at Tottenham. 903 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,960 The new head coach of Tottenham. 904 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:37,640 It's come out of nowhere. 905 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,040 Harry's left Portsmouth, I thought, 'I've come and he's gone' 906 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,960 like, 'What happens now?' 907 00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:44,720 But then I had a little smile. 908 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,840 Waiting for the phone to ring. I knew what was going to happen. 909 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:56,760 My name is Peter Rabin. 910 00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,760 I'm club dental surgeon for Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. 911 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,000 Peter's a lovely man. 912 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,280 He's Spurs mad. 913 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,320 I was very upset when he moved to Portsmouth. 914 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,040 - Good dentist? - Amazing, can't you see my teeth? 915 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,920 I said to my wife, 'Would you like me to take you 916 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,480 for this Portsmouth Spurs game?' 'cause I'm very romantic like that. 917 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,720 We went to the match, Jermain couldn't play, 918 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,400 and we were watching the game, 919 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:25,920 and all of a sudden, the Spurs fans come out with the Jermain's song. 920 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,640 And they're singing this song with great gusto. 921 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,960 Called me all excited, 'Jem, listen to this.' 922 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:40,040 Like, 'What, Peter?' 923 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,560 I put the phone up, you know, I said, 'Jem, listen to this.' 924 00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,880 And I could hear those fans singing my song. 925 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,080 He loved it. 'Oh,' he said, 'I love it.' 926 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,400 Made me think, that's crazy. That's strange. 927 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,240 I've left the club and fans are still singing my name. Why? 928 00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,160 He jmessaged to say that, 'You need to come back home.' 929 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,640 My God, really? I'm going to ring Peter Rabin up. 930 00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:05,800 He's broke the rules. He's broke the law. 931 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:10,440 I'm going to report him to the dentistry union or whatever it is. 932 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,360 I'm gonna get him suspended. 933 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,480 The only topic of conversation was Defoe and when he'd be coming back to the Lane. 934 00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,520 They're quite keen to do a deal if the money's right. 935 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,960 After a few days, it was dragging on, someone called me, an agent called me, 936 00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:28,520 and he said to me, 'Right,' he said, 'I've spoken to Juventus 937 00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,000 and they want you to go there, 938 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,560 but just wait and we'll see what happens tomorrow.' 939 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,800 Then, yeah, tomorrow comes and that's it, and I signed for Tottenham. 940 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,400 - Juventus, that's a big club. - I know. 941 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:46,040 But it was like... I was so fixed on going back to Tottenham 942 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,840 because I didn't like how I left, and it was unfinished business. 943 00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:57,880 Defoe! 944 00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,240 That's what he does! 945 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,680 The moment he steps out in a white shirt, 946 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:09,160 I think it's always going to work because Tottenham was his club. 947 00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:10,600 And it's Defoe! 948 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,600 He could bang them in from anywhere. 949 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:13,840 Magnificent goal! 950 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,240 He was fit as a fiddle. Yeah, he was just scoring goals for fun. 951 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:19,680 Defoe! 952 00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,160 Tottenham qualify for the Champions League 953 00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,200 for the first time in their history! 954 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,880 Oh, man, it's a great time, great time. 955 00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,160 When are you gonna get that feeling again? 956 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,320 Yes, sir! 957 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:44,400 Yes, sir! 958 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,120 You all right? You all right? 959 00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,640 Great character, great lad. Good, good friend of mine. 960 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,960 You won't find someone who dreams for goals more than him. 961 00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,400 Even today he walks in, straight away he's like, 962 00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,600 'Stay away from me, it's goals today. I've been doing this my whole life.' 963 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:14,360 I suffer a lot in the training ground, training sessions, you know? 964 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,240 Yeah, very fun. Yeah, we had a really good time. 965 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,720 Top, top player, and an even better person. 966 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,040 Cheeky chappy, great lad. 967 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,360 Breath of fresh air, comes in into the changing room. 968 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,040 I looked at him, and still, you see him now 969 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,360 playing in the charity game today, still fit, he's still sharp. 970 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:43,840 I said he could still play. 971 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,640 Great guys, you all turn up at the game. You deserve... 972 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,320 Honestly, it's incredible. 973 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,160 You could have got that? 974 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,760 Daniel, we've got to get you a club. Daniel, it's... 975 00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,320 I'll be your agent. I'm going to find you a club. 976 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:08,160 I always get that moment; it could be ten seconds where I'm standing there... 977 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,240 Jermain! 978 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,280 I'm like, oh, my God, where's it gone? 979 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,240 I wish I could go back and get, like just the... 980 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,000 just to have that feeling. 981 00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:22,600 Yeah! 982 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:24,840 The group, in the group shot. 983 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,480 Jermain's a legend for this football club 984 00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:33,280 and we will be forever for what he's done, not just for Tottenham, but for the game. 985 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:35,800 Lubbly jubbly, guys. 986 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:37,920 That's a lovely jubbly. 987 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:48,440 I know very well, Jermain Defoe, very, very quick, I like him. 988 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,720 That 2010 season, it had to be my year. 989 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,080 The World Cup motivated me the whole season. 990 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,600 No way I was going to get that phone call or that text about standby, 991 00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,520 no way I was going to get that again. 992 01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,800 Arriving in South Africa outside the hotel, 993 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,320 the staff were outside singing and dancing 994 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,560 and getting into my room with my PlayStation, my Xbox, 995 01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,000 and my MP3 pillow and with all my initials and the phone number 19. 996 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,520 The first game against USA, it was one-one. 997 01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:18,840 Algeria nil-nil. 998 01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,800 And the next game was huge, had to win. 999 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,600 The hopes of the nation rest with our boys in South Africa. 1000 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,000 England have to win this game. 1001 01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,720 Something special was gonna happen. 1002 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,160 In training, I was on it. 1003 01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,720 I was ready to play. I was focused, I was fit, I was sharp. 1004 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,520 And I knew that if I'd get an opportunity, 1005 01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,320 I knew that I could be the one to make the difference. 1006 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,000 Defoe's got away from his man. Can he finish? 1007 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:53,800 Of course he can! 1008 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,320 The whole world is watching. 1009 01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:58,680 That's the pinnacle. 1010 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,040 And played Germany in the next game. 1011 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,960 - Should we skip that? - Yeah. 1012 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:11,840 Wish we had VAR then. 1013 01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,120 - You done a lot to it since I was here? - Yeah. 1014 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,160 Look at this. 1015 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,320 Yeah, now obviously I can think about all the great moments, 1016 01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:31,880 how fortunate and blessed I've been. 1017 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,560 Literally, I keep all my boots. 1018 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,080 Debut for West Ham. 1019 01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,360 Yeah, that was a special night. 1020 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,600 It feels like it was yesterday when, actually, when I was like 16, 1021 01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,840 I walked into the West Ham training ground. 1022 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,560 I remember Trevor Sinclair saying at training, 1023 01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,320 he said to me, I must've been about 17 at the time, 1024 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,480 'Enjoy it, because it goes quick.' 1025 01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,840 When you're 17 and someone, it's almost like, 'What do you mean?' 1026 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,560 'I'm 17 years old. I've got like, I've got years.' 1027 01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,640 But honestly, it just goes like that. 1028 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,120 So this is my 50th England cap. 1029 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,120 So when you get 50 caps, the boys sign it. 1030 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,880 While playing, you never reflect. 1031 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,480 Because the next game comes around so quick. 1032 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,200 It's just relentless. 1033 01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,200 It was a lot of pressure, but I loved it. 1034 01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,600 Going to Euros in 2012, everyone wanted to know who was going to lead the line. 1035 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,800 He was playing so well at that time. 1036 01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,560 He was having a very successful spell with Tottenham, 1037 01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,880 who were one of the top teams at that time. 1038 01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:44,440 I knew I was in contention because Wazza was suspended for the first two games. 1039 01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,360 I knew I'd scored more than Andy Carroll and Danny Welbeck. 1040 01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,680 Jermain was probably in many ways 1041 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,920 the most experienced and the furthest advanced of those players. 1042 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,200 I remember at training camp, and I remember feeling so sharp, 1043 01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,960 like the sharpest I felt all season. 1044 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,680 It was pretty obvious that he was a player we needed in the England team. 1045 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,960 My mentality was, right, I'm ready to do this. 1046 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,520 It came out of nowhere. 1047 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:14,480 My brother actually called me and said, 'Dad thinks he's got cancer.' 1048 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:17,400 'I need to see him.' 1049 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,520 I remember going to see my dad in East London. 1050 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,400 When the doctors walked into the room, 1051 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,400 like, I knew that something weren't right. 1052 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,720 Basically said, 'Yeah, you've got cancer.' 1053 01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,560 I don't remember how I found out. 1054 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,800 What we decided to do was very, very simply let him know 1055 01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,880 that the priority was his father. 1056 01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:47,280 We made it clear to him that, you know, we would support as best we could. 1057 01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,520 He just said, 'Every day after training, you can leave the hotel.' 1058 01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,720 'We'll get you a car. Go and see your dad.' 1059 01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,800 'Spend a few hours and come back and meet us for the evening meal.' 1060 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:00,800 So this was like every day. 1061 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,520 So train, go to the hotel, put my tracksuit on, 1062 01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:08,040 go straight to the Royal Marsden Hospital and sit with dad for hours. 1063 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,880 I wasn't privy to their conversations, but his dad told me 1064 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,440 he wanted to let Jermain know that, you know, 1065 01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:22,760 he's sorry that he wasn't there for him when he should have been. 1066 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,840 And, you know, just wanted Jermain's forgiveness 1067 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,680 and that he loves him. 1068 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,240 And I was happy for that. 1069 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,320 I felt I had to be there with him 1070 01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,480 because I just wanted to just give him that support. 1071 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,600 Though we didn't have that relationship, I was happy I spent that time with him. 1072 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,800 You know, when he really needed me, I was there. 1073 01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,440 So this was every single day up until we left to go to the tournament. 1074 01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,520 I didn't know whether to go or not. 1075 01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,400 Didn't know whether to travel with the team. 1076 01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,600 There's more than football. This is family, my dad's dying. 1077 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,040 I don't think I can leave. 1078 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,920 Then I thought, my dad would want me to go. 1079 01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,280 He would want me to play for my country. 1080 01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,080 I remember arriving in Poland. 1081 01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,440 We arrived into the hotel, 1082 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:22,440 and we had the evening meal, and my head was all over the place, 1083 01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,320 and I remember just being in the games room with the boys 1084 01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,080 and went to bed, and my phone rang about four in the morning. 1085 01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:30,600 Like, I knew straight away. 1086 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,440 I remember he left very early 1087 01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,120 and I was waiting there to have some breakfast with him 1088 01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,360 before he went home. 1089 01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,560 It did hit him really hard. 1090 01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,520 And I think it shook him really hard 1091 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,960 because you missed out so much. 1092 01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,920 And the quality time that you missed out 1093 01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,000 wasn't because you didn't want him in your life. 1094 01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:10,240 Didn't really sink in, to be honest, 'cause when I went back and saw the body 1095 01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,160 and I flew back to... I think I was in shock. 1096 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,880 I felt numb and I just felt like I was in shock at the time. 1097 01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,440 It's a lot, it's a lot to take on. 1098 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,880 But it was difficult. It was difficult for him emotionally. 1099 01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,360 After the funeral, I flew back to the tournament. 1100 01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,680 He came back and joined the squad 1101 01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:43,040 and didn't give me any indication that, you know, he didn't want to be there 1102 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:44,320 or didn't want to play. 1103 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,880 I don't remember anything like that at all. 1104 01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,560 He told us his head was all over the place. 1105 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,120 Yeah, well, to be fair, he disguised it well, then. 1106 01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,200 The England team have exceeded expectations in Ukraine, 1107 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,080 but that success just makes them thirsty for more. 1108 01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:06,800 For me, it was all about winning. 1109 01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:14,920 But at the same time, to be honest, it's a good thing I probably didn't play. 1110 01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:25,560 We was rubbish. 1111 01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,080 When we got knocked out, I thought, I need to be home, 1112 01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,920 go on holiday and switch off and... just be with my family. 1113 01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,720 St Lucia's a place I always went back to. 1114 01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,640 It's where my nan and granddad originally came from. 1115 01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,280 It does give you strength. 1116 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,520 After what I went through with my dad, 1117 01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,160 I remember being in America with Tottenham pre-season, 1118 01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,800 and my friend called: 'Something's happened to your cousin.' 1119 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,120 'Hannah's died in St Lucia.' 1120 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,120 What do you mean, Hannah's died in St Lucia? 1121 01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,960 The first thing I thought is, that can't be right, 1122 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:29,560 because I just saw Hannah at my dad's funeral, like, just weeks ago. 1123 01:08:30,440 --> 01:08:32,400 I couldn't understand what was going on. 1124 01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:35,960 And I'd just lost my dad and then, you know, my cousin's just died. 1125 01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,600 That whole year was just like... 1126 01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:47,120 It was just crazy, to be honest, because I just couldn't believe what was going on. 1127 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,120 You said that you had a difficult year emotionally 1128 01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:52,680 and lost people in the family. 1129 01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,240 What we've been through, I've always kept the faith, 1130 01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:56,560 I've always been positive. 1131 01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:04,400 Just tell me about what happened earlier in the year with your brother Gavin. 1132 01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:06,680 Gavin, uh, was a... 1133 01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:09,560 that was a shock. 1134 01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:16,920 My mum basically said to me, 1135 01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,240 'Your brother's on life support machine 1136 01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:21,520 in London at a hospital.' 1137 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:26,120 'Like, he had a fight, someone's hit him and he's hit his head on the kerb.' 1138 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,200 I was at the training ground and I just jumped in a car, 1139 01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:33,800 came straight to hospital, and then, as soon as I got there, he just went. 1140 01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,800 It's almost like, is this some sort of curse or something? 1141 01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,000 Like... 1142 01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:51,040 After that, it made me sort of... don't know if 'paranoid' is the word. 1143 01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,280 If someone would message me something like... 1144 01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,120 call me quick, one of those messages, I always hated it. 1145 01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,000 I'd panic. You know, my heart would drop. 1146 01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,920 I remember the feeling I'd get, 'Something's happened.' 1147 01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,360 I think I was just scared of losing people. 1148 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,320 After that, I didn't feel like the same person. 1149 01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,680 I think we all knew Jermain was going through something like that. 1150 01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,080 But quite often footballers don't talk about their feelings. 1151 01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,440 It was more like, don't show emotion. You got to keep that inward. 1152 01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:41,760 Football's not a place where you sort of express your feelings. 1153 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,400 You wouldn't put your hands up and say, 'I'm struggling.' 1154 01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,040 Our generation was just, bottle it up, put the walls up, 1155 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,240 go out there and perform as best you can. 1156 01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:14,120 And when you're younger, you know, you're so just focused on football. 1157 01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:22,120 You always just think everything's just going to be, you know, good news. 1158 01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,920 And, you know, you're playing football, you know, nothing else matters. 1159 01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,520 But when you lose people close to you, your priority changes 1160 01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,280 and, you know, you want a family and you want to settle. 1161 01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,320 Because when you go home and you shut the door, 1162 01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,120 then you're on your own. 1163 01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,680 Whereas, if you've got a family, you've got kids and you're settled, 1164 01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,880 then you've got other people around you. 1165 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,160 At that time, I was seeing someone. 1166 01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,760 Which was quite casual, to be honest. 1167 01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,600 She basically said, 'I'm pregnant.' 1168 01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:10,520 It's a special thing. 1169 01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,000 It's, I mean, it's a blessing to have kids. 1170 01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,920 So... when I sort of like accepted what was going on, I thought, okay, then. 1171 01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,400 I spoke to a few people, spoke to my mum. 1172 01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,080 Told everyone, I was like, 'Yeah, you know, I'm going to be a dad.' 1173 01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,560 And everyone was delighted, everyone was happy. 1174 01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:29,480 I wanted to give her the full support. 1175 01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,280 And that's exactly what I did. 1176 01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:32,640 Baby came. 1177 01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:37,440 I was the most happiest woman on this earth, honestly, 1178 01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,960 because Jermain was happy. 1179 01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:42,400 We're all happy. 1180 01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,280 I was excited and I was looking forward to it. 1181 01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,240 But there was still that little thing inside me. 1182 01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,840 I thought, you know what, I still need to make sure 1183 01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,000 this is... it's my child because... 1184 01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,080 it goes back to maybe me not trusting people, 1185 01:12:58,160 --> 01:12:59,560 being a little bit paranoid. 1186 01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:01,960 I remember speaking to her, saying, 'Listen... 1187 01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,080 not trying to be disrespectful, 1188 01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,200 but just for peace of mind, do you mind if we do a DNA test?' 1189 01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,160 And I remember speaking to the England doctor, 1190 01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:13,720 and explained what was going on. 1191 01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:15,560 The England football doctor? 1192 01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:19,280 Yes, because I remember it was around that time we had a game. 1193 01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:23,480 I didn't want this in the public domain, so I'm trusting the doctor. 1194 01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,760 And he told me straight, he said, 'The DNA's come back.' 1195 01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,320 'It's not your child,' he told me straight. 1196 01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,160 Them is his words, he just told me. 1197 01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,200 I just said to him, 'You don't have to worry.' 1198 01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,560 'I'll speak to the manager, Roy.' 1199 01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,160 'I'm fine. I want to stay with the team.' 1200 01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,080 'I can deal with it.' 1201 01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:58,640 Just putting on a brave face. 1202 01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,480 But deep down, I was hurting inside. 1203 01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:16,280 Again, another traumatic experience for Jermain. 1204 01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,400 He stepped away from everything. 1205 01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:24,240 It just made him 1206 01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,640 really look at life a lot differently. 1207 01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:39,600 Even before that... 1208 01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,200 I was wary. Even before that, I was... 1209 01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,640 I didn't want to connect with anyone. 1210 01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,320 I wouldn't say I didn't want to connect, 1211 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,520 but I felt it was difficult to connect with people. 1212 01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:54,920 And then when that happened, it was almost like, 1213 01:14:55,480 --> 01:14:58,480 well, this is the reason why I'm the way I am. 1214 01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,960 The opportunity to go to Toronto, yeah, it was an escape. 1215 01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:11,360 I needed that to happen for me. 1216 01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:17,280 So the timing was just spot on, and they were doing so much to get me there, 1217 01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,080 like to shoot this big advert. 1218 01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,120 Jermain Defoe is coming to Toronto. 1219 01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,280 It's a bloody big deal. 1220 01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,000 Went out for dinner, and then I got a call from Drake. 1221 01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,520 They did everything, flew mum over, my stepdad Andre, 1222 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,120 took her to the basketball game at courtside. 1223 01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,720 She said, 'Can you believe I was having a nice nap, 1224 01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,760 jetlagged, and they wake me up and... 1225 01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,320 and they asked to take a picture with this James guy.' 1226 01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,320 'LeBron James, Mum.' She goes, 'Yeah?' 1227 01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:58,440 I said... 1228 01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,320 It was good money for Spurs at the time. 1229 01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,360 Well, for a 31-year-old. 1230 01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,680 Daniel Levy basically said to me, 'I feel like you deserve it 1231 01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,800 for what you've done in England 1232 01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,040 with everything that had gone on,' because it was a lot. 1233 01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:15,800 I thought I was ready, yeah. 1234 01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,080 Jermain, your thoughts on arriving in Toronto? 1235 01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,520 Yeah, I'm excited as you can imagine. 1236 01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:23,560 It's been a long couple months. 1237 01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,480 I just wanted to get over here and obviously see the city. 1238 01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,080 I'm looking forward to it. 1239 01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:33,480 It's a fantastic challenge, and I'm excited, I feel like a little kid. 1240 01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,560 It was a fantastic contract. It wasn't just about football. 1241 01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,840 It... it was a change, something different. 1242 01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:44,600 Yeah, I enjoyed it. 1243 01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:46,520 But I just missed... 1244 01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,920 Wouldn't say I missed home, but I missed the Premier League. 1245 01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:57,120 I'm the manager of Sunderland, and I'm looking for a striker, 1246 01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,680 and Jermain, we knew he will score goals in England. 1247 01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,160 So you don't imagine how much I push that. 1248 01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,680 The text said, 'Have we got a chance?' 1249 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,200 It's crazy how I remember these things. 'Have we got a chance? Gus.' 1250 01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,640 So I said to Gus, 'Okay,' I said, 'well, if you speak, it's right, 1251 01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,640 I've got permission, I'd love to be back in the Premier League.' 1252 01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:20,320 I remember going to my assistant after the phone call and say... 1253 01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,800 'I think he's coming,' you know, like proper, like, 1254 01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:25,840 'I think we've got a chance here.' 1255 01:17:26,440 --> 01:17:29,240 You want to get your boots on and start playing 1256 01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:30,680 and get off to a good start. 1257 01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,920 I felt like people started to doubt me because you go to the MLS, 1258 01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:37,160 it's almost like you're done, basically, you're done. 1259 01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:40,160 - You come back with something to prove? - Yeah. 1260 01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:47,080 I'd fire me because people probably felt like, 'Maybe he's finished.' 1261 01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,360 'Can he come do it again in the best league in the world?' 1262 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:56,760 Defoe might take it on here. 1263 01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,680 - Great run by Defoe! - Oh, wow! 1264 01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,480 One hundred and 50 Premier League goals! 1265 01:18:04,440 --> 01:18:05,960 Should you doubt Jermain Defoe? 1266 01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:10,040 I don't think you should, and I came back and had one of the best seasons ever. 1267 01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:15,360 Well, in his first match against Newcastle in the Wear-Tyne Derby... 1268 01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:18,960 it's Defoe! 1269 01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,160 What a goal! 1270 01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,080 The rush that I got all over my body... 1271 01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:28,880 Jermain Defoe! 1272 01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:32,800 I just started crying. 1273 01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,480 Don't think I've experienced anything like it. 1274 01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,200 Look what it means to him. 1275 01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,680 Almost in tears as he leaves the field. 1276 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,720 But to score a goal like that in such a big game, 1277 01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:47,640 I thought, wow, like, this is special. This is what I come back for. 1278 01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:55,880 - Mum? - Hi, Jem. 1279 01:18:55,960 --> 01:19:00,400 I was just, um, packing up, packing up my luggage to... 1280 01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:02,880 for tomorrow, basically, to come down. 1281 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,520 In terms of football, I was happy at Sunderland, 1282 01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,440 fans loved me, I was scoring goals. 1283 01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,480 But I don't know if I was totally happy because... 1284 01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,000 the stuff I'd been through before. 1285 01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,800 Maybe when I was happy playing football, but then away from that... 1286 01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,520 I don't know if I was totally happy. 1287 01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,560 I wasn't there when Bradley got to see Jermain for the first time. 1288 01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:41,440 I seen the video afterwards, and it was just the most incredible video. 1289 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,640 And still to this day, I watch it. 1290 01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:49,600 Where is J-Jermain? 1291 01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:52,800 Jermain! 1292 01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:54,120 How are you? 1293 01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,520 I got real shoes! 1294 01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,000 - Have you? - Yeah. 1295 01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:04,400 And Jermain was his favourite player. There's no denying that one. 1296 01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:06,800 I thought he was just a mascot. 1297 01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,560 And I just thought, you know, you'd go meet the players. 1298 01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,400 You'd go on the pitch, in the box, and that would be it. 1299 01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,360 I never expected what happened afterwards. 1300 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:26,920 It was just weird, it was just like... 1301 01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,240 The way he looked at me, it was like, just that connection. 1302 01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,960 I never experienced anything like it before, 1303 01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:38,280 because there's been other times where, you know, I've met mascots and, you know, 1304 01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:42,960 they're really shy and quiet and stuff, but this was just completely different. 1305 01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:48,680 It's almost like... 1306 01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,840 like I met you before, like this has happened before. 1307 01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:54,680 It was powerful the way it happened. 1308 01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,960 From that moment, he just was like, 'Can I see Jermain, can I see Jermain?' 1309 01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,160 It was just... it was just lovely. 1310 01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,600 That's when Jermain said that he was going to come up 1311 01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:11,440 and see Bradley in hospital. 1312 01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:19,920 A lot of people have come into my life and... maybe it's just me, maybe it is... 1313 01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:24,280 that thing where, you know, I've come across genuine people and I've... 1314 01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,680 Me just not trusting people, you're sort of like... 1315 01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,400 like I've mentioned, having a guard up 1316 01:21:31,480 --> 01:21:34,080 and not connecting and not getting close to people. 1317 01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:38,760 But then with Bradley, all he wanted was to meet me. 1318 01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:44,520 There's nothing else he wants from me. That's genuine love. 1319 01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:52,560 Jermain! 1320 01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,840 Bradley absolutely adored Jermain. 1321 01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,880 He was just happy that he got to meet his hero. 1322 01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,280 They'd become best friends. 1323 01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:30,480 In the last week of Bradley's life, I knew that he was really poorly. 1324 01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,400 I knew that it wouldn't be long left. 1325 01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:35,960 Jermain was on holiday, and I texted him and said, 1326 01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,640 'I don't think... it's not going to be long now.' 1327 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,640 'Bradley's struggling.' I said, 'I need to come to the house.' 1328 01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:44,480 I felt I had to be there. 1329 01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,160 And Jermain flew home early. 1330 01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,120 Got to my house about eleven o'clock at night. 1331 01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,640 I lived in a bungalow at the time, and my dad was in the living room 1332 01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:04,600 and I was in the bedroom with Bradley, because he never moved out of bed, really. 1333 01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:10,560 And Jermain started talking to me dad, and Bradley looked at us, 1334 01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:14,160 bearing in mind he'd laid asleep all day, he hadn't moved, 1335 01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:15,560 and he went, 'Mummy?' 1336 01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,040 I went, 'Aye.' 'Jermain!' I went, 'Yes, baby?' 1337 01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:20,800 And like, he just... 1338 01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:31,120 I remember sitting in Gemma's bed in the house with Bradley 1339 01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:35,920 just sitting there, but I just felt like I had to be there with him. 1340 01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,840 Jermain didn't want to leave, it was two o'clock in the morning. 1341 01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:42,120 And Jermain went. 1342 01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,200 We got back into bed, and that was the last time he seen him. 1343 01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:14,880 I don't know how to describe it, 1344 01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:16,840 how a six-year-old boy... 1345 01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,440 can have that sort of impact. 1346 01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:27,520 The streets were packed. 1347 01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:34,160 Sunderland and Newcastle fans standing together to pay their respects. 1348 01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:39,200 Never thought I'd see that, and Bradley did that. 1349 01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,400 And we want to welcome now to the show Gemma Lowrey. 1350 01:24:53,480 --> 01:24:55,840 You've got an event at the Stadium of Light. 1351 01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:57,200 What's happening today? 1352 01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,800 Yeah. So, today we've got a celebrity football match 1353 01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:03,360 where Jermain's being captain of the Bradley Lowery Foundation team. 1354 01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:04,520 So we're very excited. 1355 01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,280 We've sold lots of tickets, gonna be a good, fun day. 1356 01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:19,440 - You all right? - Yeah. 1357 01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,360 Just getting everyone started. 1358 01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:22,800 - You ready? - Yeah. 1359 01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:27,800 We have become really good friends, so we still have that close connection. 1360 01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:34,360 Jermain to us is, he's not like a famous footballer, 1361 01:25:34,440 --> 01:25:36,040 Jermain to us is a friend. 1362 01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:49,920 He could have, you know, cut ties when Bradley died, 1363 01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:57,640 but that wasn't the relationship that he had with Bradley or with us. 1364 01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:03,840 I'm pleased that that's continued. 1365 01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:46,920 Yeah, that was good. Last little... last little blow for me. 1366 01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:52,240 Jermain, I'm putting you on the spot here, but we know this game is very personal. 1367 01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:54,080 Say a few words. 1368 01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,720 I want to thank everyone for coming out, amazing turnout. 1369 01:26:57,800 --> 01:26:59,800 Everyone knows what Bradley meant to me. 1370 01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:03,200 On behalf of the family, I thank everyone that's played a part. 1371 01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:05,200 It's been fantastic, so thank you. 1372 01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:20,080 Thank you! 1373 01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,720 Football's given me so much. Footballs given me, my family, so much. 1374 01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,600 And it's been hard work, a lot of sacrifice. 1375 01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:34,400 But when you're younger, you don't realise what comes with it. 1376 01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:36,240 You can't prepare for that. 1377 01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,720 But have to be grateful for everything. 1378 01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:45,680 Bradley is looking down, he would have been proud. 1379 01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:50,880 Thanks a lot, Jermain. 1380 01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,240 - Well done. Thanks for coming up. - No problem. 1381 01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:57,280 The people I've lost that are close to me, I believe they're with me every day. 1382 01:27:58,480 --> 01:28:00,360 It's more than just kicking a ball. 1383 01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,480 My life was just... it was just all about goals. 1384 01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,320 But when you reflect on everything... 1385 01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:33,040 I can see it's not just about, you know, football. 1386 01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:35,920 There's other stuff that's important. 1387 01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:43,920 Thank you so much. 108961

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