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My life was just...
it was just all about goals.
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When you score a goal
and you're celebrating...
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What a goal!
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Three now by Jermain Defoe!
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...you feel immortal.
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Defoe! That's what he does!
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And you crave it.
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And Defoe scores again!
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I wanted it every single game.
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And I just wanted to do
whatever it took to get that feeling.
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I didn't want to just be a good scorer.
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I wanted to master it.
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I want to see my face
on the back of the paper.
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I wanted to be the one
to get the love from the fans.
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I want it to be me.
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Always wanted to show people
how good I was.
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Why?
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I don't know.
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But I think for me it was
always more than just football.
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Yeah, so I've got the keys yesterday.
Here we are.
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Canning Town to the countryside.
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Don't worry about all this stuff.
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This is my guy that does all my TVs.
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When I announced retirement,
it's the hardest thing I've had to do.
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- You know the TV units?
- Yes.
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When you've been playing for, like,
20 odd years, it's a culture shock.
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You've got speakers. We can utilize these.
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Now, obviously,
I can sit back and enjoy life.
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- No problem.
- Yeah.
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'Cause I've got guys coming in,
they starting painting tomorrow.
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The amount of times I moved houses, like...
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And even when you go into different clubs
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and even, like, just renting houses
and, like, the amount of times.
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But it's nicer because this is home.
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They said, 'What you want in the house?
Give us like a wish list.'
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So I was like, okay, then.
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So I want, I don't know, a little cinema.
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Right, let me-- I want the lights on.
This is the bar.
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I want a games room.
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Can you play snooker?
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Probably get a few pictures
on the wall here.
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Not fussed on swimming pools. Can't swim.
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- So...
- So what's through there?
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There's a pool.
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This is going to be my dining room.
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And the reason I like this house,
'cause it's quite like...
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Even with nothing in it,
it's not done up yet,
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but it's still, yeah, spacious,
but it still feels cosy.
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And I've obviously got a few ideas.
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I sound like an interior designer.
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I might get a job!
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Oh, my God, look at this.
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England tracksuits.
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My God, there's so much stuff.
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What is this?
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Oh, look at this.
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Nine-one Wigan.
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White Hart Lane, five goals, this boot...
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Defoe's in here, can he finish it again?
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Oh, you bet he can!
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He's got five.
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Five goals...
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Wowsers, look at this shirt.
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Here goes Defoe.
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That's what he does!
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So I think this is the shirt
I wore against Hull.
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I've scored a hat-trick.
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Defoe to Lennon...
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back to Defoe!
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Oh! What a bullet!
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It's a good I kept everything.
A lot of players don't keep stuff.
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They just get rid of stuff,
but I just keep stuff.
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How does this compare
to the house that you grew up in?
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How does it compare?
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Obviously no comparison.
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The house I grew up in, I grew up
in my nan's house in Canning Town.
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I'm sure if my nan was alive, she would
be like, 'My God,' I can imagine.
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She would love it.
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She would have loved it.
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I grew up in East London.
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Grew up in Canning Town, Ordnance Road.
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So my mum was...
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yeah, 17 when she got pregnant.
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Imagine how that went down.
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I was still living at home
with my parents.
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I was a baby.
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My mum, she obviously, she screamed
at me as they do, mothers.
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But then she calmed down very quickly
and was very supportive.
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She was lucky she got support
from nan and grandad, but...
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it must have been tough.
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You've got to very quickly realise
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you're going to be responsible
for this human being,
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and that's your priority.
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Jermain used to love
jumping on things, running around.
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He was just so hype. Hyper, hyper, hyper.
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You can imagine what it was like.
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Yeah, he kept me busy, Jermain, honestly.
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From then on,
Jermain just loved kicking a ball.
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My nan used to scream all the time.
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'Jermain, what did you break?
Jermain, you break my picture!'
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'You break my lightbulbs!'
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'Jermain!
Sandra, Jermain's breaking all my things!'
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And I'm like, oh, here we go.
I get this every day.
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And this went on for years.
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In love with the game,
nothing has changed.
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Okay, so, uh...
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So this is... this is a cup final
that we played in.
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This is another cup final.
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And this is another game.
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This one's a good'un.
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Yeah, I dug 'em out.
They were in the loft, innit?
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It was a proper television guy
that came and done this video for us.
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There's Jermain. There I am, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Bertie Knight, special man.
Really special.
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He had a vision.
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Senrab was my first Sunday team.
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Amazing history.
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We had the best players in East London,
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and so many players have gone on to play
in a Premier League play for England...
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played for Senrab.
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Ledley King, Sol Campbell,
Bobby Zamora, John Terry.
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Unbelievable names.
I think about now, it's so much pressure.
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Even when I was eight,
you play for Senrab, you have to win.
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Rah-la-la-la rah-la-loo,
Senrab boys are better than you!
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I don't really like to fly my own kite,
saying I'm a talent spotter.
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But I told his mum from
a very long time ago, from very early,
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she was going to be all right
because he was a goal machine.
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Goal machine, everybody knew him,
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from a very, very young age.
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If the team done their job properly,
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we knew we was going to win
because he would score.
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Loved scoring goals.
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Loved celebrating the goals.
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The obsession,
I don't know where it came from.
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He got it from his dad.
For sure, he got it from his dad.
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His dad was an amazing player.
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He played for Crystal Palace,
for a little bit, but he didn't make it.
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Too many distractions,
apparently, that's what they said.
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But, you know,
I heard that he was really good.
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I think Jermain must have been
four and a half, going on to five,
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when the relationship broke down
and he moved out of the house.
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It was hard, very, very hard
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because Jermain
was quite attached to his dad.
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As a kid, you don't know what's going on.
You don't understand.
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Did he ask about his dad?
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Oh, yeah.
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When he was little,
he used to ask all the time.
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'When is he coming?'
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'When is he going to see me?
Is Daddy coming?'
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When they're younger,
they don't understand.
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But from that point onwards,
it was all me.
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I became mum and dad.
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Then my mum met my stepdad, Andre,
who's an amazing man.
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Probably the best stepdad
you could ever ask for.
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So he was the father figure in my life.
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But before then, when my dad was around,
I was close with my dad.
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Not putting the blame on him,
but I feel like there were times
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where, when I was younger and had matches,
he probably could have come to the games.
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I did want him to see every moment.
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Mums and dads of Senrab,
you know who you are.
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For them who don't know who you are,
put your hands up
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because you should be proud of your sons.
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Yes, it must be amazing.
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When you finish a game,
your dad pats you on the back.
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Striker Jermain Defoe!
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I wanted dad to know how good I was,
he loved football.
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So, of course, I want him to...
I want him to be proud of me.
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I knew his dad from a longer time.
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Very, very, very, very nice guy.
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But I didn't see the dad at the games.
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But it didn't affect his game,
you know, to be quite honest.
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I mean, if you ask me, it might have
helped him to enhance his game
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you understand?
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Because, you know, like I said again,
his speciality was finishing.
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You're the one who gets the glories.
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Whether Dad's there or not,
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Dad's going to hear about it,
you understand?
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And, you know, he's one of them kids
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who would make sure he's doing
something to make them hear about it.
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Stadium of Light.
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Since I've left, I've not been back.
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Hiya.
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- Sign my shirt!
- Can you sign my ball, please?
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Sign my shirt?
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- And can I have a picture, please?
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Can you sign my shirt?
Can you sign my shirt, please?
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Yeah.
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- Can you sign my hand?
- Your hand? You have to ask your mum.
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When you get the love from the fans,
there's no better feeling.
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Thank you.
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- Can I get a picture?
- No problem.
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- You all right? You all right?
- Yeah, good, thanks.
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Whatever club I've played for,
I just always just tried my best.
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Nice, innit?
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Hello, me darlin'.
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- Hey!
- How are you?
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I was listening to you
yesterday on the radio.
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Oh, the Sounds, Gemma and...
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- Yeah, Gemma and Brad.
- Yeah.
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- Well...
- You're on the telly, look.
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Well, there you go.
And you've made the time to come see me?
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- As always.
- That's lovely.
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Every club I've played for
means a lot to me.
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But I think Sunderland
will always be special
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because of Bradley Lowery.
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A five-year-old mascot who was
obviously a massive Sunderland fan
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who had neuroblastoma,
which is a form of cancer.
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We was very close.
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And even to this day, I still have many
good memories of Bradley in my head.
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Hello?
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- Hi.
- Hey.
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- Hi.
- Who's this, Nicole?
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Jermain Defoe!
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- How are you?
- All right.
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- You okay?
- Yeah.
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- I love that song!
- Yeah.
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- I miss that song.
- Every single day she comes...
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Jermain is patron
for the Bradley Lowery Foundation.
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I just think it was a fitting tribute
because of the relationship they had
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that he would continue
as a part of the foundation.
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The foundation was set up in 2017
when Bradley passed
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to support families to access treatment
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or equipment
that's not available on the NHS.
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And children who have got
an illness or a disability
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get to come in and spend the day
in the box and make them special memories.
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It is Bradley's legacy.
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Bradley loved that box
when it was Jermain's.
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He used to sit under the table and play
with his iPod or, you know,
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do what children do.
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He loved it, and I love the fact that
we can still give them experiences out.
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It keeps Bradley's legacy alive.
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Defoe! Defoe! Yes, my brother!
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It's amazing, it's amazing.
It's hard to put in words to describe it.
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You know? It's emotional.
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You finish playing and you come back
and fans still show appreciation.
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It makes you feel good.
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I wanna do like a proper lap!
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Jermain, you're coming back
to the Stadium of Light
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very soon for the charity game on 8th May.
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Would you give us a rundown?
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I'm looking forward to coming back,
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and hopefully we can get as many fans in
as possible for a fantastic cause.
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Let's hear it again, everybody,
for Jermain Defoe!
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Cheers, guys.
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I never really thought
about him being a pro player
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until he started
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training with Charlton.
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I knew him when he was a schoolboy and...
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you know, we had Jermain
from a very young age.
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You could tell early on
Jermain was gonna be a top player.
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Came in school holidays
and trained with the first team,
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which is unusual.
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Keith Peacock, the assistant manager,
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gives me a bib, gives somebody else a bib,
and then gives Jermain a bib.
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And I say to Keith,
'Keith, what are you doing?'
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And he said, 'No, he's all right.'
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Bang. Into the keep ball, he's decent.
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Afterwards, we do finishing.
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'It's a competition, me and you, okay?
If you beat me, I'll get you some boots.'
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And then it's like
your hair stands on end.
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You're walking in thinking,
'I got my hands full here with him.'
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Yeah, he had beaten me,
so I had to buy him some boots.
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I remember after training,
I think I phoned Ian Wright
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and I just said to him, I said,
'Cor, seen some kid come in today.'
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'I haven't seen anything like it.
He's going all the way.'
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At that point I thought,
'Oh, there's a chance.'
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If this is what you want,
I'm going to support you all the way.
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She always said, 'Just trust me.'
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How he eats, rest, look after your body,
what time he goes to bed.
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All of that I have to just guide him.
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Heartbeat used to come on at nine,
and I should be walking up the stairs.
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It wasn't like, 'Jermain, go to bed now,
my sister Chonte.'
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It was like Heartbeat
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and I'd just be walking up the stairs.
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Nine o'clock.
Who goes to bed at nine o'clock?
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- What happens if you didn't?
- You get the look.
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You get that look.
I can't even do the look.
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I'm 40 and I get the look now,
and I'm like, oh.
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It very much was teamwork.
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And if Jermain's got to go for a game,
has got to be at training by 4.30,
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and I, you know, I finish work at 4.00,
I've got to do it.
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I got the sack several times.
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But I've just felt like,
I'll get another job.
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But I remember my mum telling me stories
about cleaning toilets and stuff,
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and I always used to think...
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'Wow, you're doing stuff
that you don't want to do,
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but you have to do it
because you're doing this for me.'
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You're doing all this for me.
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Stuff that's uncomfortable, so...
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But it's like...
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I said, 'You're never
going to clean toilets again.'
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I just... it just fuelled me.
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Well, this is Lilleshall,
the home of the FA National School.
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For those who don't know it,
it's an estate in the heart of Shropshire,
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a boarding school for England footballers.
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You train every day like a professional.
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Yeah, it was like Hogwarts
with football pitches.
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To be playing
with the best 16 players at 14 and 15
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in the country at the time,
it's a good help.
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When I got selected to go to Lilleshall,
that's when I really thought, okay...
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this is special.
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Because Sol Campbell went there.
Andy Cole. Michael Owen. Joe Cole.
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Yeah, I remember him coming in.
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He was tiny back then.
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And when a new player comes in,
it's like coming into the new school.
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What you got? What you got?
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And I knew from day one that he was
a special player, he just had an instinct.
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They may look like the boys
who deliver your newspaper,
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but within a couple of years,
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their faces will be screaming at you
from the back pages.
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Take Jermain Defoe, for example.
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My mum used to come up
to watch the games every weekend,
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travelling to Shropshire 2ยฝ hours,
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and literally my sister was doing
all her revision for exams in the car.
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But she did it because she wanted
to support her brother.
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Amazing.
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I have to give my family something
because the support I had, was...
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an amazing support.
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People see the goals,
they don't appreciate how hard he worked.
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He's one
of the most disciplined footballers.
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I wish I would have been
as disciplined as Jermain.
325
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But he's a cheeky chappy.
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I've got a good story, but...
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A girlfriend could come up
on Friday night to watch a film.
328
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,520
So she's in my room and we're doing things
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that 16-year-olds...
boyfriends and girlfriends do.
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And at ten o'clock,
her dad turned up to pick her up early.
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And Jermain, he said,
'I'll take you upstairs, no worries.'
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So he walked her dad right the way up
and her dad opened the door.
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I'm there trying to compose myself.
334
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And I could hear him giggling,
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and I could have smashed him
in his face when I saw him.
336
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He stitched me up massively, yeah.
I still ain't got him back for that.
337
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How did Lilleshall compare to East End?
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Obviously no comparison.
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And, yeah, it was going off
in the East End back then.
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- Yes, yes, yes.
- Yes, Ghetts.
341
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You all right? Nice seeing you.
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- Damn, crazy.
- What are y'all cooking? What's crackin'?
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- Album, man.
- Yeah.
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Wrapping it up now, to be fair,
it's been like a... since the last album,
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what's that, two... two and a half years?
346
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- Serious?
- Yeah. 2 ยฝ years.
347
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- Is that normal?
- Sometimes takes longer.
348
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,280
- Serious?
- Yeah.
349
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It depends on what the narratives,
what story I want to tell you.
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You always want to have your bangers on,
but you also want to tell a story as well.
351
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- You want to say something worth saying.
- Let's hear some tunes.
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What?!
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Somethin' else. Know what I'm sayin'?
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Bro.
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It's mad.
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Like, I was a kid.
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So, like, when I'm seeing you
do your thing, it's amazing, like...
358
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For someone from the area,
across the way, yeah, it's cold.
359
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,320
Like you make it a reality,
you know what I'm sayin'?
360
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,880
When I see kids with Defoe T-shirt on
and it hits me, I'm like, wow.
361
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Then you're talking like this
and doing your thing.
362
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,360
- Yeah.
- It's... it's crazy.
363
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,440
It's mad, bro.
364
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,440
I love the East End,
proud to be from the East End.
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There was these DVDs I used
to watch of all the grime artists,
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Wiley, Kano, my brother Gavin.
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00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,880
My dad had four boys and Gavin
was on the music scene at the time.
368
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,040
Yeah, Esco was a cold emcee, man.
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Really good. A lot of potential.
370
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That was a special time for these areas.
371
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And Gavin would come to my mum's house
and spend weekends with me and stuff.
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00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:07,400
We were really close,
but I never went to a nightclub ever,
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because I thought, if I drink,
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this might affect me
from getting where I need to get to.
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Even when a lot of my friends were sort of
like going out and stuff like that,
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I never really wanted to do that.
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I was single minded.
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I had blinkers on.
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I just want to play football.
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Sandra!
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Right.
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00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,920
I could murder a cup of tea.
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00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,240
Harry Redknapp.
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What a man.
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00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,320
I love Harry.
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00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:50,840
Everyone loves Harry.
387
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,640
Cheers, thank you.
388
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:02,200
Well, I was back at West Ham,
and I turned up to watch the youth team.
389
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,120
We played Charlton,
and they beat us five-one.
390
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,400
I said, 'How can they be beating us 5-1?'
391
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,600
'Have they got better kids at Charlton?'
392
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,120
They said, 'This guy gets the kids,
he's good.'
393
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,920
So I waited in the tea room
and he came in,
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00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,360
and I went over and said,
'How are you doing?'
395
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,760
We started chatting, 'Would you
be interested in coming to West Ham?'
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00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,440
He had 'Hammers' tattooed on his arm.
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00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,120
- So that was it, really.
- Is there much loyalty in football?
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00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,480
Not really.
399
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:34,560
He said Jermain Defoe was there
and we might be able to get him.
400
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,160
It's a bit of a sore point.
401
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,920
West Ham came in and, you know, took him.
402
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,280
Charlton claim the Under-16 International
was poached by the Hammers.
403
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,760
Today the Football League
ordered West Ham to pay
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over one and a half million pounds.
405
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,320
It was a meeting clouded in secrecy.
West Ham left, refusing to comment.
406
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,000
Charlton were a little more vocal.
407
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,400
I'm concerned about the way
rules operate in this country.
408
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,960
We aren't happy with the compensation.
409
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,840
At that time it was a lot of money.
410
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,240
Yeah. So we got him down
and got the deal done eventually.
411
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,480
Listen, it is water under the bridge,
412
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,760
but I'm still disappointed with it all.
413
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,200
- Even 20 years later?
- Absolutely, yeah.
414
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,880
You think back,
could have made a difference.
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It was the best.
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00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,720
And for my mum, it must have been
a special day because, you know,
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00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,800
all the hard work and all of a sudden
we're at this point where
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I've signed a professional contract
for West Ham.
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00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,880
It was a big deal. To be honest, I cried.
420
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,400
We're from the East End,
so that was our club, West Ham.
421
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,080
I met Ian Wright as well that day.
422
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,800
I was definitely starstruck, to be honest.
423
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,120
I had all Wright's posters
all over the wall.
424
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,560
And then I shook his hand,
just couldn't believe what was going on.
425
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,120
I was just so excited.
426
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,240
Like a kid. Wanted to put my boots on.
I wanted to show Wright how good I was.
427
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,840
That was the Master
and the Apprentice there, right there.
428
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,320
And there's so much of that in football,
429
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,640
where you affect the next generation.
430
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,160
I used to come in early, put his boots on.
He probably doesn't know.
431
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,560
I used to put his boots on,
go in the indoor hall
432
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,600
and just practice my finishing.
433
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,680
After an hour, come back inside,
polish them and put them back on the peg.
434
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,360
He probably doesn't know that.
435
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,080
Do you remember his debut?
436
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,520
Oh, the fact that we scored,
didn't he, against Walsall, wasn't it?
437
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,600
I remember sitting on the bench,
big baggy shirt, pouring down with rain.
438
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,960
It was nil-nil at that point and I looked
at the clock, only six minutes to go.
439
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,760
First sample of first team football
for Jermain Defoe.
440
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,200
It just happened so quick.
441
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,960
His shot was blocked,
Cole against the bar!
442
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,840
And smashed into the net!
443
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,960
A fairytale story for Jermain Defoe!
444
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,480
It just erupted,
the fans behind the goal just went mad.
445
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,920
Goosebumps, it was incredible.
446
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,480
West Ham have a new hero,
17-year-old Jermain Defoe.
447
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,240
I felt like I needed that moment.
448
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,640
I wanted to show people how good I was.
449
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,200
- You think your dad was watching?
- I think so.
450
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,640
Because my family are
West Ham fans anyway.
451
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,680
And there was a pub
on the corner near Upton Park,
452
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,440
and he always used to be in that pub
talking to the fans and stuff like that.
453
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,240
This is where Jimmy drank.
454
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,240
This was his local,
and they would all be here on match days.
455
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,960
Jimmy sat over there behind you.
456
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,680
Loved his football.
Was very proud of his son.
457
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,320
Oh, if his son played, he was happy,
458
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,200
but if he scored, over the moon.
459
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,600
The roof would go off.
460
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,480
And then we'd have to hear
all day the songs of the West Ham.
461
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,480
From what I know,
their relationship wasn't fantastic,
462
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,200
but he was still proud of him.
463
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,400
You know, perhaps from afar.
464
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,560
I don't know, but...it's quite sad.
465
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,680
But he was very proud of his boy.
466
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,600
Perhaps he didn't tell him,
but he told everybody else.
467
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,720
When Jermain did his debut for West Ham,
468
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,040
and Jimmy told me this,
he was in that same pub...
469
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,560
he said, 'I cried.'
470
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,920
'I cried. I couldn't believe it.'
471
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,040
'I cried and said, "Yeah, that's my son."'
472
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,960
Oh! Immensely proud.
473
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,040
Jimmy was immensely proud.
474
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,080
How could you not be?
475
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,880
I got a phone call from Mel Machin
at Bournemouth, the manager,
476
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,400
rung me and said, 'We're struggling,
bottom of the league, can't score a goal.'
477
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,760
'Have you got a striker
that we could loan?'
478
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,000
'I'm desperate.'
I said, 'I've got a kid you can have.'
479
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,880
'Oh, no,' he said.
'We don't need a kid, really.'
480
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,720
'This league is a tough league.'
481
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,160
'It's a men's, you know.
How old is he or she?'
482
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,440
'Seventeen.'
483
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,200
'Oh, no, no, we don't, you know.'
484
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,680
- 'Well, how big is he?'
- 'Oh, I'd say he's about 5' 6".'
485
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,720
He said, 'No, no, he's no good to us.'
I said, 'Well, he's a bit special.'
486
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,800
'This ain't no normal kid.'
487
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,840
'Well, all right, okay.'
488
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,320
So I talked Mel into actually
taking him on loan.
489
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,040
So you're going to Bournemouth.
Never heard of Bournemouth.
490
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,320
I'm from the East End.
Don't know where Bournemouth is.
491
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,840
And he went and scored ten goals
in ten consecutive games,
492
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,000
which broke the record.
493
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,080
Through to Defoe!
494
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,600
A brilliant steal by Defoe! He's done it!
495
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,480
What a performance by the kid!
496
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,160
Told you so.
497
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,680
By the time I went back to West Ham,
my mentality was,
498
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,400
I'm ready to do this now.
It's a different level.
499
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,480
Different ball game.
500
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,120
A very warm welcome from Upton Park.
501
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,920
This is my chance, my moment.
502
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,480
Everything I've done is for this moment.
503
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,960
And it could be in here!
504
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,040
It's Jermain Defoe!
505
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,760
And I'm off.
I'm not looking back now, I'm going.
506
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,280
Oh, wonderfully done!
507
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,920
Isn't that fantastic?
508
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,120
He was a goal scorer.
509
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,560
He had that instinct...
510
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,000
Lovely, and what a great goal by Defoe!
511
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,200
...that ability to bang balls
in the back of the net.
512
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,280
Fans, that's what they want.
513
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,680
A kid from down the road
from where they were, and he's doing it.
514
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,360
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
515
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,680
Yeah, they loved him.
516
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,880
When the fans love and appreciate you,
there's no better feeling.
517
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,120
At this point, I'm doing really well
and people are talking about me.
518
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,040
The fans love me
and my dad's in the East End,
519
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,880
you know, he goes in all the pubs,
it's all West Ham fans.
520
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,640
So of course he's going to get in contact.
521
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,120
We would speak, he would message me.
522
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,360
That was always nice.
523
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,240
But there was never times
where we would meet up
524
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,160
and go out together or go for dinner.
525
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,440
It wasn't like that.
526
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,160
Maybe he was happy
supporting from a distance
527
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,600
or being in the pubs with the fans
and having a drink, watching it like that.
528
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,080
Maybe, I don't know.
529
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,960
Not only that,
he was battling his own problems.
530
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,360
You know, he had a problem with alcohol.
531
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,680
Maybe he wanted to hide that.
532
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,720
Maybe he wanted to hide that.
533
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,560
That first full season at West Ham
was unbelievable.
534
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,440
And then Harry left the club.
Glenn Roeder took over.
535
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:04,920
And then the season after, Glenn got ill,
which was a hard time for everyone.
536
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,000
It was the end of the season,
we were struggling, we left it too late.
537
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,080
West Ham United have been relegated.
538
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,760
So many of the faces that tramp off
the pitch here will be sold.
539
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,200
They have to be sold.
540
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,200
I was represented by a young agent
541
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,800
and the conversation happened,
he said, 'Right,
542
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,920
hand in a transfer request
because the players are gonna leave.'
543
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,040
'You need to be in the Premier League.'
544
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,600
'You need to be one
of the first to go, basically.'
545
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,840
I didn't feel good about it.
546
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,560
But... I just trusted my agent.
547
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,400
But the backlash was brutal.
548
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,200
It was very traumatic for him.
549
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,200
It was... it was horrible.
550
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,520
It was horrible. He was all in the papers.
551
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,120
It was just not nice.
552
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,760
The fans were very angry.
553
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,400
I wished that never happened...
554
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,360
Because I loved the club.
The club gave me a chance.
555
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,960
The fans loved me...
a lot of my family were West Ham fans.
556
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,600
It was a horrible feeling.
557
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,480
I've been in situations
where I've been booed...
558
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,320
by fans and given stick
at different stages of your career,
559
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,600
and it's like, you know,
you build a thick skin as a footballer.
560
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,600
You can't make it without having it.
561
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:36,320
You have to be bullet-proof really,
and you build that from a young age.
562
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,480
It was an opportunity for a fresh start
because all the stuff at West Ham.
563
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,600
I'm gonna play well, work hard,
and I just want to be the best.
564
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,240
I was still only young.
565
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,280
It was a lot of pressure.
566
00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:57,640
A newbie arrive, you look at him and say,
'Let's see this guy,' you know?
567
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,800
And then you train
and they start bam, bam, bam,
568
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,320
and you're thinking, 'Wow!'
569
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,560
On your debut, fans expect.
570
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,520
I went for nine millio, which was a lot,
571
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,280
and I had to justify that.
572
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,200
In the warm-up,
I was quite anxious, to be honest.
573
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,760
I'd been watching him,
I'd seen Jermain, I knew.
574
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,240
You know, strikers see
straight away other strikers
575
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,600
and see how good they are.
576
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,640
Robbie Keane said,
'Just relax. Play. Just do what you do.'
577
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,800
Jermain Defoe blasts!
578
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:35,400
Oh! What a treat! Thank you!
579
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,920
Just the roar when you get
that sort of reception is a nice feeling.
580
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,480
Yeah, it was on.
581
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,240
What a goal!
582
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,160
It was 22 goal I scored
in that first full season.
583
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:55,960
- I had to, though.
- Are you happy when you're scoring goals?
584
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,080
Am I happy?
585
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,560
More than happy.
You get the best version of me.
586
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,920
When I come home, I'm happy, I'm smiley.
587
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,520
When I go out, I want to go out.
I want to go places.
588
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,240
I remember finishing training.
589
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,040
I'm driving through Chingford,
in my Range Rover, there was like a cage.
590
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,800
I see these kids playing football.
591
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,360
I remember saying to Moses,
'Shall we have a kick-around?'
592
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,840
'Are you crazy?'
I said, 'Just stop the car.'
593
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,240
walked onto the pitch, said, 'Listen.'
594
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,200
I said, 'Just forget about who I am.
Let's just play.'
595
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,880
- Good to see ya.
- Nice to see you, my friend.
596
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,640
Years later I remember being at Tottenham
and this young Harry Kane said,
597
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:36,760
He said, 'Remember that day
when you stopped in Chingford
598
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,560
in your black Range Rover
and you had a kick-around?'
599
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,520
I was like, 'Yeah, why?'
'Because I was one of those kids.'
600
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,760
I was like, 'What?'
601
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,600
Yeah, I remember it clearly.
602
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,440
It was great for me
to be able to see that and learn,
603
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,400
and I just wanted to soak it all in.
604
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,920
I look back, it feels like
it weren't too long ago.
605
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,040
Hope the kids are listening to that.
606
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,600
We're all part of the same lineage,
the same history.
607
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,880
And I know Jermain learned
a lot from Ian Wright.
608
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:06,080
And I know that Harry Kane learned
a lot from Jermain Defoe.
609
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,840
It's mad, I'll tell you the truth.
610
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,600
I need to go and do it one day,
I need to continue that tradition.
611
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,640
It should be like that.
612
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:16,080
Like I said before,
613
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,280
you affect the next generation.
614
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,640
It's important to give back.
615
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,240
It's easy for people to come
and talk to me about goals and football.
616
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,560
But away from that,
what did you give back?
617
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,080
- Welcome back.
- All right?
618
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,680
I'm good. You too?
619
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,000
It's exactly the same, you know?
620
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,480
- Some things don't change.
- This corridor. Wow.
621
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,160
What's happenin'?
622
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,320
- How you been? Sorry, man.
- No worries.
623
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,080
- What lesson is this one?
- Science, science.
624
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,640
- Oh, science.
- Yeah.
625
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,280
Two days, right?
626
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:06,920
Nice to see you, man.
627
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,360
What year is this?
628
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,160
- Year eight?
- Yeah.
629
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,360
Young, young, whole life ahead.
630
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,080
You have to concentrate. Yeah?
631
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:18,520
Nice. I'm gonna have a walk-around.
632
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,560
- Maybe see you later.
- Yeah.
633
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,320
Cool. Thanks, sir. Cheers.
634
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,640
- Back to the cage?
- Yeah.
635
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,120
- See the foot boys playing football?
- Yeah.
636
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,360
I bet you've got many memories
from the cage.
637
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,440
Oh, my God.
638
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,520
I'd always enjoyed my coaching.
639
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,280
Relax, relax, relax!
640
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,720
I remember the feeling I'd get
scoring goals.
641
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,840
Pass forward, pass forward, quick! Nice.
642
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,040
Good block, good block.
643
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,440
But coaching is probably
the nearest you get to playing.
644
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,400
Hold it, hold it.
Pass it, pass it, pass it.
645
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,560
Do this one again.
You see, when you get here...
646
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,520
When you get here...
647
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,080
you've got this space,
you don't need to pass early.
648
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,160
- Understand?
- Yeah.
649
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:01,240
So if you bring it...
and then once you commit them,
650
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,920
when you're close, you play it,
understand?
651
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,840
Be confident, stay on the ball.
652
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,200
Play, play, play, play!
653
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,280
Stay on it, stay on it.
Get it back, get it back.
654
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,120
Better.
655
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,040
Go, go, go!
656
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,040
A little finishing, no?
657
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:23,800
All right, come around, boys.
658
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,800
That was good.
Good standard. What did youse think?
659
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,280
- You enjoyed that?
- Yeah.
660
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,720
I liked the intensity, youse work hard.
661
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,840
So we've got lots
of aspiring footballers here.
662
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,120
What would be your one
kind of piece of advice?
663
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,040
The work ethic, really.
Work hard every day.
664
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:43,680
Um, standards.
665
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,840
I say standards, I don't mean
just when you're training.
666
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,960
I mean the way you talk,
the way you treat your teachers.
667
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,040
That's standards.
668
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,440
But express yourself every day.
Enjoy it, help each other.
669
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,040
You've got to stick together
no matter what, and with a bit of luck,
670
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,040
maybe one day I'll be home
watching you play for England.
671
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,280
Boys, what do you say?
672
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,160
- Thank you.
- Cheers, guys, thank you.
673
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,560
- Thanks.
- Cheers, boys.
674
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,200
- Cheers.
- Thanks very much.
675
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,040
- No problem.
- Okay, boys? Well done.
676
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,800
- Well done.
- Well done, boys.
677
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:20,200
There was talk about me
getting in the England squad
678
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,320
because I was scoring a lot of goals
and I was in a good place,
679
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,320
and you just get like a...
I mean, you get a text.
680
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,920
To find out if you play
for England, you get a text?!
681
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,160
You get a text, yeah. You get a text.
682
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,480
I've said it before. 'You get a text?'
683
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,560
You literally get a text.
It's the best message you'd ever get.
684
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,680
Wow. Just the pinnacle.
685
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,720
You're representing your country.
686
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,120
Again, I cried.
687
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,600
I cry all the way through.
688
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,920
World Cup qualifying game's different.
You have to win.
689
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,880
Elite players, the best.
690
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,680
David Beckham. Michael Owen.
Steven Gerrard. Frank Lampard.
691
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,800
You don't get bigger.
692
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,560
Playing against Poland.
693
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,920
Difficult game, hostile.
694
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,080
From that first whistle, I was on it.
695
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,680
I remember Beckham getting it.
I was in the box, my back to goal.
696
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,560
I remember Beckham flicking it around
the corner, all my instincts kicked in.
697
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,600
Just unbelievable feeling.
698
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,000
At that point, the best moment in my life.
699
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,280
At that particular time...
700
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,280
England footballers
were becoming massive superstars.
701
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,920
Editors realised their private lives
suddenly became of interest.
702
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,400
The gloves were off.
703
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,840
Everyone was fair game.
704
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,560
This is what is published
pretty soon afterwards.
705
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,520
I just want you to kind of look at that.
706
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,240
Yeah, I remember that when that came out.
707
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:06,040
They build you up
and then they knock you down.
708
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,760
And that's...
that's what they were doing there.
709
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,880
It was hard to understand
because I thought that
710
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,040
once you're doing well for your country,
711
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,400
I thought all the stuff in the papers
after that would be good.
712
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,720
It's like, 'Yeah, I'm up here.'
'How can we knock him down?'
713
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,320
You know, 'What can we dig up?
What can we find?'
714
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,440
I remember speaking to my mum,
she was devastated.
715
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:32,920
He was vulnerable at that time.
716
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,920
It's hurtful, but Jermain grew
to be very resilient
717
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,280
because you have to be.
718
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,120
Behind closed doors,
there was a circulation war.
719
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,800
Editors were looking at any little grain
of hope of increasing their circulation.
720
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:53,920
Players like Jermain Defoe
were mere fodder for the tabloid press.
721
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,880
I mean, after this point,
it was... it was a regular thing.
722
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,040
And this girl that I was
involved with is a 'love rat'.
723
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,440
I've hurt people over the years,
but no one's perfect.
724
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,920
You're young and successful and single.
725
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,720
Everyone wants to meet someone,
fall in love, you know.
726
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,640
But because I was in the public eye,
I was a target at that time.
727
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,760
When you don't expect it, it's tough.
728
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,040
Paps outside my house.
729
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,040
Paps following me.
It does make you paranoid.
730
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,120
Come to our restaurant
and there's like 50 paps there.
731
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,040
'I didn't know they was there.'
732
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,640
People close to footballers realised
733
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,000
there was a new industry
for them to make money.
734
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,440
It was difficult to trust people, which is
a horrible feeling when you question
735
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,000
how genuine they are,
but I could never, ever, for years,
736
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,520
could never connect to anyone,
I had a guard up.
737
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,880
I could date people,
but I could never connect.
738
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,360
- Hi. You all right?
- Yeah, good.
739
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,560
- I'm good.
- Some flowers.
740
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,480
Oh, thanks, how lovely.
741
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,720
- Let me take these off.
- Leave them on, that's fine.
742
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,000
I have to wash the floor.
743
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,920
This reminds me
of my mum's dogs, you know?
744
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,320
I love this picture.
745
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,680
Still a lot of nice memories.
746
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,680
Of course, like it was towards the end,
it was, as you can imagine, tough.
747
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,800
Bradley just absolutely
adored seeing Jermain.
748
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,520
When I see him here
next to Bradley's bench,
749
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,920
it just brings back a lot of memories,
special memories, happy memories.
750
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,720
The connection between them,
it was special.
751
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,560
I feel everything happens for a reason,
and it does change you as a person.
752
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,840
It definitely changes you as a person.
753
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,240
How you look at life,
how you look at things.
754
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,800
Puts everything into perspective.
755
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,080
He's probably just reminiscing
on the times that he had with Bradley
756
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,000
and how that made him feel as well,
757
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,400
because, although he did
a lot for Bradley,
758
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,280
I think Bradley did a lot for Jermain.
759
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:43,880
Come on, then, guys.
760
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:46,600
Let's rock and roll.
761
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:53,920
- I can put it somewhere else.
- No, no, no.
762
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,160
- Is it all right?
- Fine.
763
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:57,600
- Yeah?
- This is your means of business, right?
764
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:58,680
Yeah.
765
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,360
So, can you just explain to me
what is the job of a football agent?
766
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,400
No.
767
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,880
To some people,
the job of a football agent
768
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,240
is to sit there, just pick up the phone,
and just talk numbers.
769
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,840
But for me,
an agent's role is to give a player
770
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,160
the best advice
to help them fulfil their potential.
771
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:29,720
And that's it.
772
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,600
Anyway, I went
to the same school as his mum.
773
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,440
I used to hang around
with Jermain's dad, Jimmy.
774
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,240
So I was going to be even more fierce
775
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,600
to help him, protect him,
and try to help him fulfil his potential.
776
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,480
Because football is the dream factory.
777
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,280
I was hoping to go
to the World Cup in Germany.
778
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,360
I've just felt razor sharp, confident.
779
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,960
I felt strong in my body.
780
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,640
His profile was massive.
781
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:01,800
Cissรฉ.
782
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,360
Kakรก.
783
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:04,960
Zidane.
784
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,080
Beckham.
785
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,520
Defoe.
786
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,120
Until that point, I felt I did enough
787
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,640
because this, it's...
obviously based on merit.
788
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:14,400
And I remember being at home and...
789
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,000
I remember waiting for the text.
790
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,440
I thought, the squad's there,
I've got the TV on.
791
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,280
I thought, I must be in the squad.
792
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,880
Drafted into the World's Cup squad,
a teenager who is virtually unknown.
793
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,200
Wake up, Theo Walcott.
794
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,440
You're not dreaming.
It's actually really happening.
795
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,440
I hope people will say after the World Cup
796
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,160
that it was a good gamble.
797
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:39,680
I was devastated.
798
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,160
I just couldn't understand it.
799
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:45,400
And I was getting messages
from all of England fans were like,
800
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,200
you know, 'He should be going.'
801
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,840
Looking back now,
it was the wrong call, wasn't it?
802
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,800
Go to a World Cup's the pinnacle.
803
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:53,880
And, uh...
804
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:55,920
yeah, I felt for him.
805
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,240
Big disrespect,
in my point of view anyway, you know.
806
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,320
Theo's a good player maybe, but...
807
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,040
that was... nah.
808
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,560
It was a strange,
what did they take Theo for?
809
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,160
It was about going
and trying to win the World Cup.
810
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:12,600
So, why wouldn't you take him?
You'd guarantee goals.
811
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:18,160
I always believe within myself,
if England had used him more regular...
812
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,840
starting... England, would have...
813
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,800
England, there's a great possibility
England might have done something.
814
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,640
After that, I wanted to get my head down
and play football.
815
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,080
Remember, I loved Tottenham.
816
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,360
And it just happened where my contract
was running down and, you know,
817
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,440
there's negotiations in the background.
818
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,680
- You know, Juande Ramos come in.
- Morning.
819
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,000
The language barrier,
I didn't have any relationship with him.
820
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,480
Didn't speak to him, I'd speak to Gus,
someone I played with,
821
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,480
and I remember speaking to Gus,
'What's going on?'
822
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,760
But those negotiations, they were tough.
823
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,000
The club wanted...
824
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,880
Jermain being an asset, to get something.
825
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,320
Like it's important,
he cannot go for free.
826
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,360
And Juande had to go and talk to him.
827
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,040
I was there, to tell him, 'Okay,
Jermain, you must renew your contract,
828
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,520
or then, you know, in January
you need to go
829
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,640
because, the club
needs to get some money.'
830
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,720
I didn't feel it was right.
831
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,280
When you are
in that conversation, you think...
832
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,080
because I was a football player...
and if you tell me that, we got a problem.
833
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,080
He said, 'Or you can leave.'
834
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,920
'If you want to, leave,
tell your agent, no problem.'
835
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,360
To me, he could have gone anywhere.
836
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,920
He had the ability to be world class.
837
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,640
Daniel Levy couldn't believe it and
was like, 'I'll speak to the manager.'
838
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,680
But when a manager says that, that was it.
I just felt disrespected.
839
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:51,720
Ramos.
840
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,880
It was a hard time for me at the time.
841
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,560
And when maybe
you're not feeling totally happy...
842
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,560
I'd always go back
and watch my goals just to sort of like...
843
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,800
just remember that buzz,
the roar from the fans of scoring a goal
844
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:21,880
and stuff like that.
845
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,800
That's a good finish, that one. Sharp.
846
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,000
Even now, I always watch my goals.
847
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:30,760
Just obsessed.
848
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,920
I enjoyed this goal against Holland.
849
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,480
Jermain Defoe! Of course he can!
850
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,040
How did that even go in?
851
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,440
Like, I was rewinding, watch it again.
852
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:42,960
Gives me a nice feeling.
853
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:46,640
Crouchy, headed back down.
854
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:48,640
- Looking for Defoe...
- Cheers, Crouchy.
855
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,120
Yeah, your move to Portsmouth.
How did that come about?
856
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,000
It was Harry Redknapp, to be honest.
857
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,000
- I remember getting a phone call.
- Yeah, probably.
858
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,960
- Which is...
- Breaking all the rules.
859
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,080
Yeah, if he's under contract at Tottenham,
he can't be talking to me.
860
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,800
I could be called up
before the FA over this.
861
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,080
Yeah, that's how transfers work, you talk...
862
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:13,600
They don't just happen.
863
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,360
I'd spoke to Tottenham,
so I had permission to talk to Harry.
864
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,480
I didn't know till transfer day.
865
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,360
A happy Harry Redknapp, it looks like.
866
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,160
- It must be a joy to have him back.
- Delighted, yeah.
867
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:30,960
Again, you know, in football,
stuff happens.
868
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,920
But Jermain just wanted to play.
869
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:36,920
And Harry made players
feel like a million dollars,
870
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,440
so you can understand why he went.
871
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:46,440
Delighted to sign him, fantastic signing.
He's too good a player not to be played.
872
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,520
Here's Defoe! Shoots! Goal!
873
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,400
A dream debut for Jermain Defoe!
874
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,680
Bringing in Crouchy was your master plan?
875
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,440
Yeah. Crouch and Defoe.
876
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,280
What a pairing, you know?
877
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,160
It's not rocket science, is it, really,
'cause you hit the ball up to Crouchy...
878
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,760
when it dropped, bang,
he put it in the back of the net.
879
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,680
One-nil. Game over.
880
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,560
- Good times.
- Good times.
881
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,280
Been on a journey together.
882
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,360
Under 18s and 21s.
883
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,080
I've got to be honest with you, there are
times he could have passed a lot more.
884
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,160
And times he'd shoot
from impossible angles, I'll be like,
885
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:30,400
'fucking square it,' you know what I mean?
886
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,160
But that's what made
Jermain Jermain, right?
887
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:34,840
He was hungry for goals.
888
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:41,480
I was just happy to be playing every game
and scoring goals consistently again.
889
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,480
My first goal, I remember,
was Everton away.
890
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,360
And Jermain dinks the goalkeeper.
It hits the bar.
891
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,200
I'm going to say it bounces over the line,
but I nod it in from half the yard.
892
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,280
I've nicked a goal.
893
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,600
You don't nick a goal off Jermain
as David Nugent can testify.
894
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:02,720
Trust me. Google it.
895
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,400
- I just thought, how can you do that?
- I don't think that they still speak.
896
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,560
I felt wanted. It was nice.
It was a nice feeling.
897
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,480
But for me it wasn't like...
898
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,480
I mean this in the nicest possible way.
899
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,600
It wasn't like, I'm going
to Portsmouth and stay there.
900
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,040
I just needed to go somewhere
to kickstart my career
901
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,280
and hopefully, you know,
kick on from there.
902
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,280
Harry Redknapp arrived at Tottenham.
903
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,960
The new head coach of Tottenham.
904
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:37,640
It's come out of nowhere.
905
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,040
Harry's left Portsmouth, I thought,
'I've come and he's gone'
906
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,960
like, 'What happens now?'
907
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:44,720
But then I had a little smile.
908
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,840
Waiting for the phone to ring.
I knew what was going to happen.
909
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:56,760
My name is Peter Rabin.
910
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,760
I'm club dental surgeon
for Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.
911
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,000
Peter's a lovely man.
912
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,280
He's Spurs mad.
913
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,320
I was very upset
when he moved to Portsmouth.
914
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,040
- Good dentist?
- Amazing, can't you see my teeth?
915
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,920
I said to my wife,
'Would you like me to take you
916
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,480
for this Portsmouth Spurs game?'
'cause I'm very romantic like that.
917
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,720
We went to the match,
Jermain couldn't play,
918
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,400
and we were watching the game,
919
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:25,920
and all of a sudden, the Spurs fans
come out with the Jermain's song.
920
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,640
And they're singing this song
with great gusto.
921
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,960
Called me all excited,
'Jem, listen to this.'
922
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:40,040
Like, 'What, Peter?'
923
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,560
I put the phone up, you know,
I said, 'Jem, listen to this.'
924
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,880
And I could hear
those fans singing my song.
925
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,080
He loved it. 'Oh,' he said, 'I love it.'
926
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,400
Made me think, that's crazy.
That's strange.
927
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,240
I've left the club and fans
are still singing my name. Why?
928
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,160
He jmessaged to say that,
'You need to come back home.'
929
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,640
My God, really?
I'm going to ring Peter Rabin up.
930
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:05,800
He's broke the rules. He's broke the law.
931
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:10,440
I'm going to report him
to the dentistry union or whatever it is.
932
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,360
I'm gonna get him suspended.
933
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,480
The only topic of conversation was Defoe
and when he'd be coming back to the Lane.
934
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,520
They're quite keen to do a deal
if the money's right.
935
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,960
After a few days, it was dragging on,
someone called me, an agent called me,
936
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:28,520
and he said to me, 'Right,'
he said, 'I've spoken to Juventus
937
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,000
and they want you to go there,
938
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,560
but just wait
and we'll see what happens tomorrow.'
939
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,800
Then, yeah, tomorrow comes and that's it,
and I signed for Tottenham.
940
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,400
- Juventus, that's a big club.
- I know.
941
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:46,040
But it was like...
I was so fixed on going back to Tottenham
942
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,840
because I didn't like how I left,
and it was unfinished business.
943
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:57,880
Defoe!
944
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,240
That's what he does!
945
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,680
The moment he steps out in a white shirt,
946
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:09,160
I think it's always going to work
because Tottenham was his club.
947
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:10,600
And it's Defoe!
948
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,600
He could bang them in from anywhere.
949
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:13,840
Magnificent goal!
950
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,240
He was fit as a fiddle.
Yeah, he was just scoring goals for fun.
951
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:19,680
Defoe!
952
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,160
Tottenham qualify for the Champions League
953
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,200
for the first time in their history!
954
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,880
Oh, man, it's a great time, great time.
955
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,160
When are you gonna get that feeling again?
956
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,320
Yes, sir!
957
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:44,400
Yes, sir!
958
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,120
You all right? You all right?
959
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,640
Great character, great lad.
Good, good friend of mine.
960
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,960
You won't find someone who
dreams for goals more than him.
961
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,400
Even today he walks in,
straight away he's like,
962
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,600
'Stay away from me, it's goals today.
I've been doing this my whole life.'
963
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:14,360
I suffer a lot in the training ground,
training sessions, you know?
964
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,240
Yeah, very fun.
Yeah, we had a really good time.
965
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,720
Top, top player,
and an even better person.
966
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,040
Cheeky chappy, great lad.
967
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,360
Breath of fresh air,
comes in into the changing room.
968
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,040
I looked at him, and still,
you see him now
969
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,360
playing in the charity game today,
still fit, he's still sharp.
970
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:43,840
I said he could still play.
971
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,640
Great guys, you all turn up at the game.
You deserve...
972
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,320
Honestly, it's incredible.
973
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,160
You could have got that?
974
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,760
Daniel, we've got to get you a club.
Daniel, it's...
975
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,320
I'll be your agent.
I'm going to find you a club.
976
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:08,160
I always get that moment; it could be
ten seconds where I'm standing there...
977
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,240
Jermain!
978
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,280
I'm like, oh, my God, where's it gone?
979
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,240
I wish I could go back and get,
like just the...
980
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,000
just to have that feeling.
981
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:22,600
Yeah!
982
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:24,840
The group, in the group shot.
983
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,480
Jermain's a legend for this football club
984
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:33,280
and we will be forever for what he's done,
not just for Tottenham, but for the game.
985
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:35,800
Lubbly jubbly, guys.
986
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:37,920
That's a lovely jubbly.
987
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:48,440
I know very well, Jermain Defoe,
very, very quick, I like him.
988
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,720
That 2010 season, it had to be my year.
989
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,080
The World Cup motivated me
the whole season.
990
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,600
No way I was going to get that phone call
or that text about standby,
991
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,520
no way I was going to get that again.
992
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,800
Arriving in South Africa
outside the hotel,
993
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,320
the staff were outside singing and dancing
994
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,560
and getting into my room
with my PlayStation, my Xbox,
995
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,000
and my MP3 pillow and with
all my initials and the phone number 19.
996
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,520
The first game against USA,
it was one-one.
997
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:18,840
Algeria nil-nil.
998
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,800
And the next game was huge, had to win.
999
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,600
The hopes of the nation
rest with our boys in South Africa.
1000
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,000
England have to win this game.
1001
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,720
Something special was gonna happen.
1002
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,160
In training, I was on it.
1003
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,720
I was ready to play.
I was focused, I was fit, I was sharp.
1004
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,520
And I knew that if I'd get an opportunity,
1005
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,320
I knew that I could be the one
to make the difference.
1006
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,000
Defoe's got away from his man.
Can he finish?
1007
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:53,800
Of course he can!
1008
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,320
The whole world is watching.
1009
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:58,680
That's the pinnacle.
1010
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,040
And played Germany in the next game.
1011
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,960
- Should we skip that?
- Yeah.
1012
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:11,840
Wish we had VAR then.
1013
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,120
- You done a lot to it since I was here?
- Yeah.
1014
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,160
Look at this.
1015
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,320
Yeah, now obviously I can think
about all the great moments,
1016
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:31,880
how fortunate and blessed I've been.
1017
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,560
Literally, I keep all my boots.
1018
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,080
Debut for West Ham.
1019
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,360
Yeah, that was a special night.
1020
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,600
It feels like it was yesterday when,
actually, when I was like 16,
1021
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,840
I walked into
the West Ham training ground.
1022
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,560
I remember Trevor Sinclair
saying at training,
1023
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,320
he said to me,
I must've been about 17 at the time,
1024
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,480
'Enjoy it, because it goes quick.'
1025
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,840
When you're 17 and someone,
it's almost like, 'What do you mean?'
1026
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,560
'I'm 17 years old.
I've got like, I've got years.'
1027
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,640
But honestly, it just goes like that.
1028
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,120
So this is my 50th England cap.
1029
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,120
So when you get 50 caps, the boys sign it.
1030
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,880
While playing, you never reflect.
1031
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,480
Because the next game
comes around so quick.
1032
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,200
It's just relentless.
1033
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,200
It was a lot of pressure, but I loved it.
1034
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,600
Going to Euros in 2012, everyone wanted
to know who was going to lead the line.
1035
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,800
He was playing so well at that time.
1036
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,560
He was having a very
successful spell with Tottenham,
1037
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,880
who were one of the top teams
at that time.
1038
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:44,440
I knew I was in contention because Wazza
was suspended for the first two games.
1039
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,360
I knew I'd scored more
than Andy Carroll and Danny Welbeck.
1040
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,680
Jermain was probably in many ways
1041
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,920
the most experienced and
the furthest advanced of those players.
1042
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,200
I remember at training camp,
and I remember feeling so sharp,
1043
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,960
like the sharpest I felt all season.
1044
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,680
It was pretty obvious that he was
a player we needed in the England team.
1045
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,960
My mentality was,
right, I'm ready to do this.
1046
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,520
It came out of nowhere.
1047
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:14,480
My brother actually called me
and said, 'Dad thinks he's got cancer.'
1048
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:17,400
'I need to see him.'
1049
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,520
I remember going
to see my dad in East London.
1050
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,400
When the doctors walked into the room,
1051
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,400
like, I knew that something weren't right.
1052
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,720
Basically said, 'Yeah, you've got cancer.'
1053
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,560
I don't remember how I found out.
1054
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,800
What we decided to do was
very, very simply let him know
1055
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,880
that the priority was his father.
1056
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:47,280
We made it clear to him that, you know,
we would support as best we could.
1057
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,520
He just said, 'Every day after training,
you can leave the hotel.'
1058
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,720
'We'll get you a car.
Go and see your dad.'
1059
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,800
'Spend a few hours and come back
and meet us for the evening meal.'
1060
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:00,800
So this was like every day.
1061
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,520
So train, go to the hotel,
put my tracksuit on,
1062
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:08,040
go straight to the Royal Marsden Hospital
and sit with dad for hours.
1063
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,880
I wasn't privy to their conversations,
but his dad told me
1064
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,440
he wanted to let Jermain know
that, you know,
1065
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:22,760
he's sorry that he wasn't there for him
when he should have been.
1066
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,840
And, you know,
just wanted Jermain's forgiveness
1067
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,680
and that he loves him.
1068
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,240
And I was happy for that.
1069
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,320
I felt I had to be there with him
1070
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,480
because I just wanted
to just give him that support.
1071
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,600
Though we didn't have that relationship,
I was happy I spent that time with him.
1072
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,800
You know, when he really needed me,
I was there.
1073
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,440
So this was every single day up until
we left to go to the tournament.
1074
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,520
I didn't know whether to go or not.
1075
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,400
Didn't know whether
to travel with the team.
1076
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,600
There's more than football.
This is family, my dad's dying.
1077
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,040
I don't think I can leave.
1078
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,920
Then I thought,
my dad would want me to go.
1079
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,280
He would want me to play for my country.
1080
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,080
I remember arriving in Poland.
1081
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,440
We arrived into the hotel,
1082
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:22,440
and we had the evening meal,
and my head was all over the place,
1083
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,320
and I remember just being
in the games room with the boys
1084
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,080
and went to bed, and my phone rang
about four in the morning.
1085
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:30,600
Like, I knew straight away.
1086
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,440
I remember he left very early
1087
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,120
and I was waiting there to have
some breakfast with him
1088
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,360
before he went home.
1089
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,560
It did hit him really hard.
1090
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,520
And I think it shook him really hard
1091
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,960
because you missed out so much.
1092
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,920
And the quality time that you missed out
1093
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,000
wasn't because
you didn't want him in your life.
1094
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:10,240
Didn't really sink in, to be honest,
'cause when I went back and saw the body
1095
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,160
and I flew back to...
I think I was in shock.
1096
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,880
I felt numb and I just felt like
I was in shock at the time.
1097
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,440
It's a lot, it's a lot to take on.
1098
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,880
But it was difficult.
It was difficult for him emotionally.
1099
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,360
After the funeral,
I flew back to the tournament.
1100
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,680
He came back and joined the squad
1101
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:43,040
and didn't give me any indication that,
you know, he didn't want to be there
1102
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:44,320
or didn't want to play.
1103
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,880
I don't remember
anything like that at all.
1104
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,560
He told us his head
was all over the place.
1105
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,120
Yeah, well, to be fair,
he disguised it well, then.
1106
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,200
The England team have exceeded
expectations in Ukraine,
1107
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,080
but that success
just makes them thirsty for more.
1108
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:06,800
For me, it was all about winning.
1109
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:14,920
But at the same time, to be honest,
it's a good thing I probably didn't play.
1110
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:25,560
We was rubbish.
1111
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,080
When we got knocked out,
I thought, I need to be home,
1112
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,920
go on holiday and switch off and...
just be with my family.
1113
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,720
St Lucia's a place I always went back to.
1114
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,640
It's where my nan and granddad
originally came from.
1115
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,280
It does give you strength.
1116
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,520
After what I went through with my dad,
1117
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,160
I remember being in America
with Tottenham pre-season,
1118
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,800
and my friend called:
'Something's happened to your cousin.'
1119
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,120
'Hannah's died in St Lucia.'
1120
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,120
What do you mean,
Hannah's died in St Lucia?
1121
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,960
The first thing I thought is,
that can't be right,
1122
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:29,560
because I just saw Hannah
at my dad's funeral, like, just weeks ago.
1123
01:08:30,440 --> 01:08:32,400
I couldn't understand what was going on.
1124
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:35,960
And I'd just lost my dad
and then, you know, my cousin's just died.
1125
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,600
That whole year was just like...
1126
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:47,120
It was just crazy, to be honest, because
I just couldn't believe what was going on.
1127
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,120
You said that you had
a difficult year emotionally
1128
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:52,680
and lost people in the family.
1129
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,240
What we've been through,
I've always kept the faith,
1130
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:56,560
I've always been positive.
1131
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:04,400
Just tell me about what happened earlier
in the year with your brother Gavin.
1132
01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:06,680
Gavin, uh, was a...
1133
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:09,560
that was a shock.
1134
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:16,920
My mum basically said to me,
1135
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,240
'Your brother's on life support machine
1136
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:21,520
in London at a hospital.'
1137
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:26,120
'Like, he had a fight, someone's hit him
and he's hit his head on the kerb.'
1138
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,200
I was at the training ground
and I just jumped in a car,
1139
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:33,800
came straight to hospital, and then,
as soon as I got there, he just went.
1140
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,800
It's almost like, is this
some sort of curse or something?
1141
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,000
Like...
1142
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:51,040
After that, it made me sort of...
don't know if 'paranoid' is the word.
1143
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,280
If someone would message me
something like...
1144
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,120
call me quick, one of those messages,
I always hated it.
1145
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,000
I'd panic. You know, my heart would drop.
1146
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,920
I remember the feeling I'd get,
'Something's happened.'
1147
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,360
I think I was just scared
of losing people.
1148
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,320
After that, I didn't feel like
the same person.
1149
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,680
I think we all knew Jermain
was going through something like that.
1150
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,080
But quite often footballers
don't talk about their feelings.
1151
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,440
It was more like, don't show emotion.
You got to keep that inward.
1152
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:41,760
Football's not a place
where you sort of express your feelings.
1153
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,400
You wouldn't put your hands up
and say, 'I'm struggling.'
1154
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,040
Our generation was just,
bottle it up, put the walls up,
1155
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,240
go out there and perform as best you can.
1156
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:14,120
And when you're younger, you know,
you're so just focused on football.
1157
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:22,120
You always just think everything's
just going to be, you know, good news.
1158
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,920
And, you know, you're playing football,
you know, nothing else matters.
1159
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,520
But when you lose people close to you,
your priority changes
1160
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,280
and, you know, you want a family
and you want to settle.
1161
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,320
Because when you go home
and you shut the door,
1162
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,120
then you're on your own.
1163
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,680
Whereas, if you've got a family,
you've got kids and you're settled,
1164
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,880
then you've got other people around you.
1165
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,160
At that time, I was seeing someone.
1166
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,760
Which was quite casual, to be honest.
1167
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,600
She basically said, 'I'm pregnant.'
1168
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:10,520
It's a special thing.
1169
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,000
It's, I mean,
it's a blessing to have kids.
1170
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,920
So... when I sort of like accepted
what was going on, I thought, okay, then.
1171
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,400
I spoke to a few people, spoke to my mum.
1172
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,080
Told everyone, I was like,
'Yeah, you know, I'm going to be a dad.'
1173
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,560
And everyone was delighted,
everyone was happy.
1174
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:29,480
I wanted to give her the full support.
1175
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,280
And that's exactly what I did.
1176
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:32,640
Baby came.
1177
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:37,440
I was the most happiest woman
on this earth, honestly,
1178
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,960
because Jermain was happy.
1179
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:42,400
We're all happy.
1180
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,280
I was excited and I was
looking forward to it.
1181
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,240
But there was still
that little thing inside me.
1182
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,840
I thought, you know what,
I still need to make sure
1183
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,000
this is... it's my child because...
1184
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,080
it goes back to maybe
me not trusting people,
1185
01:12:58,160 --> 01:12:59,560
being a little bit paranoid.
1186
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:01,960
I remember speaking to her,
saying, 'Listen...
1187
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,080
not trying to be disrespectful,
1188
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,200
but just for peace of mind,
do you mind if we do a DNA test?'
1189
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,160
And I remember speaking
to the England doctor,
1190
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:13,720
and explained what was going on.
1191
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:15,560
The England football doctor?
1192
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:19,280
Yes, because I remember it was
around that time we had a game.
1193
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:23,480
I didn't want this in the public domain,
so I'm trusting the doctor.
1194
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,760
And he told me straight,
he said, 'The DNA's come back.'
1195
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,320
'It's not your child,'
he told me straight.
1196
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,160
Them is his words, he just told me.
1197
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,200
I just said to him,
'You don't have to worry.'
1198
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,560
'I'll speak to the manager, Roy.'
1199
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,160
'I'm fine. I want to stay with the team.'
1200
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,080
'I can deal with it.'
1201
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:58,640
Just putting on a brave face.
1202
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,480
But deep down, I was hurting inside.
1203
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:16,280
Again, another
traumatic experience for Jermain.
1204
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,400
He stepped away from everything.
1205
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:24,240
It just made him
1206
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,640
really look at life a lot differently.
1207
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:39,600
Even before that...
1208
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,200
I was wary. Even before that, I was...
1209
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,640
I didn't want to connect with anyone.
1210
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,320
I wouldn't say I didn't want to connect,
1211
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,520
but I felt it was difficult
to connect with people.
1212
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:54,920
And then when that happened,
it was almost like,
1213
01:14:55,480 --> 01:14:58,480
well, this is the reason
why I'm the way I am.
1214
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,960
The opportunity to go to Toronto,
yeah, it was an escape.
1215
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:11,360
I needed that to happen for me.
1216
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:17,280
So the timing was just spot on, and they
were doing so much to get me there,
1217
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,080
like to shoot this big advert.
1218
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,120
Jermain Defoe is coming to Toronto.
1219
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,280
It's a bloody big deal.
1220
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,000
Went out for dinner,
and then I got a call from Drake.
1221
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,520
They did everything, flew mum over,
my stepdad Andre,
1222
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,120
took her to the basketball game
at courtside.
1223
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,720
She said, 'Can you believe
I was having a nice nap,
1224
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,760
jetlagged, and they wake me up and...
1225
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,320
and they asked to take a picture
with this James guy.'
1226
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,320
'LeBron James, Mum.' She goes, 'Yeah?'
1227
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:58,440
I said...
1228
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,320
It was good money for Spurs at the time.
1229
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,360
Well, for a 31-year-old.
1230
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,680
Daniel Levy basically said to me,
'I feel like you deserve it
1231
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,800
for what you've done in England
1232
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,040
with everything that had gone on,'
because it was a lot.
1233
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:15,800
I thought I was ready, yeah.
1234
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,080
Jermain, your thoughts
on arriving in Toronto?
1235
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,520
Yeah, I'm excited as you can imagine.
1236
01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:23,560
It's been a long couple months.
1237
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,480
I just wanted to get over here
and obviously see the city.
1238
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,080
I'm looking forward to it.
1239
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:33,480
It's a fantastic challenge,
and I'm excited, I feel like a little kid.
1240
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,560
It was a fantastic contract.
It wasn't just about football.
1241
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,840
It... it was a change, something different.
1242
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:44,600
Yeah, I enjoyed it.
1243
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:46,520
But I just missed...
1244
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,920
Wouldn't say I missed home,
but I missed the Premier League.
1245
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:57,120
I'm the manager of Sunderland,
and I'm looking for a striker,
1246
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,680
and Jermain, we knew
he will score goals in England.
1247
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,160
So you don't imagine how much I push that.
1248
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,680
The text said, 'Have we got a chance?'
1249
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,200
It's crazy how I remember these things.
'Have we got a chance? Gus.'
1250
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,640
So I said to Gus, 'Okay,' I said,
'well, if you speak, it's right,
1251
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,640
I've got permission, I'd love
to be back in the Premier League.'
1252
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:20,320
I remember going to my assistant
after the phone call and say...
1253
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,800
'I think he's coming,'
you know, like proper, like,
1254
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:25,840
'I think we've got a chance here.'
1255
01:17:26,440 --> 01:17:29,240
You want to get your boots on
and start playing
1256
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:30,680
and get off to a good start.
1257
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,920
I felt like people started to doubt me
because you go to the MLS,
1258
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:37,160
it's almost like you're done,
basically, you're done.
1259
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:40,160
- You come back with something to prove?
- Yeah.
1260
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:47,080
I'd fire me because people
probably felt like, 'Maybe he's finished.'
1261
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,360
'Can he come do it again
in the best league in the world?'
1262
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:56,760
Defoe might take it on here.
1263
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,680
- Great run by Defoe!
- Oh, wow!
1264
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,480
One hundred and 50 Premier League goals!
1265
01:18:04,440 --> 01:18:05,960
Should you doubt Jermain Defoe?
1266
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:10,040
I don't think you should, and I came back
and had one of the best seasons ever.
1267
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:15,360
Well, in his first match against Newcastle
in the Wear-Tyne Derby...
1268
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:18,960
it's Defoe!
1269
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,160
What a goal!
1270
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,080
The rush that I got all over my body...
1271
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:28,880
Jermain Defoe!
1272
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:32,800
I just started crying.
1273
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,480
Don't think I've
experienced anything like it.
1274
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,200
Look what it means to him.
1275
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,680
Almost in tears as he leaves the field.
1276
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,720
But to score a goal like that
in such a big game,
1277
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:47,640
I thought, wow, like, this is special.
This is what I come back for.
1278
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:55,880
- Mum?
- Hi, Jem.
1279
01:18:55,960 --> 01:19:00,400
I was just, um, packing up,
packing up my luggage to...
1280
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:02,880
for tomorrow, basically, to come down.
1281
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,520
In terms of football,
I was happy at Sunderland,
1282
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,440
fans loved me, I was scoring goals.
1283
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,480
But I don't know
if I was totally happy because...
1284
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,000
the stuff I'd been through before.
1285
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,800
Maybe when I was happy playing football,
but then away from that...
1286
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,520
I don't know if I was totally happy.
1287
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,560
I wasn't there when Bradley
got to see Jermain for the first time.
1288
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:41,440
I seen the video afterwards,
and it was just the most incredible video.
1289
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,640
And still to this day, I watch it.
1290
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:49,600
Where is J-Jermain?
1291
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:52,800
Jermain!
1292
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:54,120
How are you?
1293
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,520
I got real shoes!
1294
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,000
- Have you?
- Yeah.
1295
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:04,400
And Jermain was his favourite player.
There's no denying that one.
1296
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:06,800
I thought he was just a mascot.
1297
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,560
And I just thought, you know,
you'd go meet the players.
1298
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,400
You'd go on the pitch,
in the box, and that would be it.
1299
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,360
I never expected what happened afterwards.
1300
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:26,920
It was just weird, it was just like...
1301
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,240
The way he looked at me,
it was like, just that connection.
1302
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,960
I never experienced
anything like it before,
1303
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:38,280
because there's been other times where,
you know, I've met mascots and, you know,
1304
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:42,960
they're really shy and quiet and stuff,
but this was just completely different.
1305
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:48,680
It's almost like...
1306
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,840
like I met you before,
like this has happened before.
1307
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:54,680
It was powerful the way it happened.
1308
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,960
From that moment, he just was like,
'Can I see Jermain, can I see Jermain?'
1309
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,160
It was just... it was just lovely.
1310
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,600
That's when Jermain said
that he was going to come up
1311
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:11,440
and see Bradley in hospital.
1312
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:19,920
A lot of people have come into my life
and... maybe it's just me, maybe it is...
1313
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:24,280
that thing where, you know, I've come
across genuine people and I've...
1314
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,680
Me just not trusting people,
you're sort of like...
1315
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,400
like I've mentioned, having a guard up
1316
01:21:31,480 --> 01:21:34,080
and not connecting
and not getting close to people.
1317
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:38,760
But then with Bradley,
all he wanted was to meet me.
1318
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:44,520
There's nothing else he wants from me.
That's genuine love.
1319
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:52,560
Jermain!
1320
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,840
Bradley absolutely adored Jermain.
1321
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,880
He was just happy
that he got to meet his hero.
1322
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,280
They'd become best friends.
1323
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:30,480
In the last week of Bradley's life,
I knew that he was really poorly.
1324
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,400
I knew that it wouldn't be long left.
1325
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:35,960
Jermain was on holiday,
and I texted him and said,
1326
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,640
'I don't think...
it's not going to be long now.'
1327
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,640
'Bradley's struggling.'
I said, 'I need to come to the house.'
1328
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:44,480
I felt I had to be there.
1329
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,160
And Jermain flew home early.
1330
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,120
Got to my house about
eleven o'clock at night.
1331
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,640
I lived in a bungalow at the time,
and my dad was in the living room
1332
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:04,600
and I was in the bedroom with Bradley,
because he never moved out of bed, really.
1333
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:10,560
And Jermain started talking to me dad,
and Bradley looked at us,
1334
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:14,160
bearing in mind he'd laid asleep
all day, he hadn't moved,
1335
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:15,560
and he went, 'Mummy?'
1336
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,040
I went, 'Aye.' 'Jermain!'
I went, 'Yes, baby?'
1337
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:20,800
And like, he just...
1338
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:31,120
I remember sitting in Gemma's bed
in the house with Bradley
1339
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:35,920
just sitting there, but I just felt like
I had to be there with him.
1340
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,840
Jermain didn't want to leave,
it was two o'clock in the morning.
1341
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:42,120
And Jermain went.
1342
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,200
We got back into bed,
and that was the last time he seen him.
1343
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:14,880
I don't know how to describe it,
1344
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:16,840
how a six-year-old boy...
1345
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,440
can have that sort of impact.
1346
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:27,520
The streets were packed.
1347
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:34,160
Sunderland and Newcastle fans
standing together to pay their respects.
1348
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:39,200
Never thought I'd see that,
and Bradley did that.
1349
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,400
And we want to welcome now
to the show Gemma Lowrey.
1350
01:24:53,480 --> 01:24:55,840
You've got an event
at the Stadium of Light.
1351
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:57,200
What's happening today?
1352
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,800
Yeah. So, today
we've got a celebrity football match
1353
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:03,360
where Jermain's being captain
of the Bradley Lowery Foundation team.
1354
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:04,520
So we're very excited.
1355
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,280
We've sold lots of tickets,
gonna be a good, fun day.
1356
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:19,440
- You all right?
- Yeah.
1357
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,360
Just getting everyone started.
1358
01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:22,800
- You ready?
- Yeah.
1359
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:27,800
We have become really good friends,
so we still have that close connection.
1360
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:34,360
Jermain to us is, he's not like
a famous footballer,
1361
01:25:34,440 --> 01:25:36,040
Jermain to us is a friend.
1362
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:49,920
He could have, you know,
cut ties when Bradley died,
1363
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:57,640
but that wasn't the relationship
that he had with Bradley or with us.
1364
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:03,840
I'm pleased that that's continued.
1365
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:46,920
Yeah, that was good.
Last little... last little blow for me.
1366
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:52,240
Jermain, I'm putting you on the spot here,
but we know this game is very personal.
1367
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:54,080
Say a few words.
1368
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,720
I want to thank everyone
for coming out, amazing turnout.
1369
01:26:57,800 --> 01:26:59,800
Everyone knows what Bradley meant to me.
1370
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:03,200
On behalf of the family,
I thank everyone that's played a part.
1371
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:05,200
It's been fantastic, so thank you.
1372
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:20,080
Thank you!
1373
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,720
Football's given me so much.
Footballs given me, my family, so much.
1374
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,600
And it's been hard work,
a lot of sacrifice.
1375
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:34,400
But when you're younger,
you don't realise what comes with it.
1376
01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:36,240
You can't prepare for that.
1377
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,720
But have to be grateful for everything.
1378
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:45,680
Bradley is looking down,
he would have been proud.
1379
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:50,880
Thanks a lot, Jermain.
1380
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,240
- Well done. Thanks for coming up.
- No problem.
1381
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:57,280
The people I've lost that are close to me,
I believe they're with me every day.
1382
01:27:58,480 --> 01:28:00,360
It's more than just kicking a ball.
1383
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,480
My life was just...
it was just all about goals.
1384
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,320
But when you reflect on everything...
1385
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:33,040
I can see it's not just about,
you know, football.
1386
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:35,920
There's other stuff that's important.
1387
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:43,920
Thank you so much.
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