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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,720 This programme contains some strong language, 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,280 discriminatory language and content some may find offensive 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,240 and scenes which some viewers may find disturbing. 4 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,800 Children have been burnt - 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,280 not West Indians, black British. 6 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,160 That is what I want said! 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,480 They are burning our children! 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:38,280 Why haven't Parliament said anything?! 9 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,640 ARCHIVE: This is all that remains of the three-storey house, 10 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,120 where nearly 100 young West Indians were 11 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,200 celebrating at an all-night birthday party for two young friends. 12 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:57,000 That night, we were there at the party, and for people outside 13 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,880 looking in, I mean, maybe they can just imagine. 14 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,600 Just before six o'clock this morning, the singing and dancing 15 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,320 gave way to panic, as flames shot through the upper floors, 16 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:11,320 and screaming teenagers began to leap from the windows. 17 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,440 But, for what we really, really went through, that time, 18 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,240 to be even sitting here, talking about it, you know is...is... 19 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:19,640 ..is hard. 20 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,240 It was just horrific, a girl and a boy - 21 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,720 they just sort of fell, right down to a basement. 22 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,040 The fire, we literally had seconds to get out. 23 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,720 I just couldn't really believe it had all happened, 24 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,280 and it just became a living nightmare. 25 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,960 I just remember kids 26 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:41,160 lying on stretchers, burnt till they were pink, 27 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:46,120 and the smell of burning flesh, that will go to my grave. 28 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,320 ARCHIVE: The party began at 11 last night, 29 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,640 then at six o'clock there was a loud bang. 30 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,760 There was just smoke everywhere and then, afterwards, 31 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,160 people were telling me 32 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,320 that some white man had thrown a petrol bomb through the window. 33 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,280 I saw this bloke standing up in the pavement, 34 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,400 then he made this throwing movement with his right hand. 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,240 At that point, in 1981, colour mattered. 36 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,120 We are very dissatisfied with the way the government has behaved, 37 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,160 Parliament has behaved. 38 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,480 The problem became that the New Cross fire became 39 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,640 an us-and-them affair. 40 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:23,960 It became a black-and-white affair. But this whole thing 41 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,840 was about youngsters being murdered. 42 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:32,320 The fire, at 439 New Cross Road, whether it was deliberately inside, 43 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:37,640 deliberately outside, I have always believed it was a deliberate act. 44 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,880 As a kid, you grow and you have fantasies, 45 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,080 and one of mine was being able to fly. 46 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,000 That's my way out. 47 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:09,840 And that's what it was. I think I still have that kiddie dream 48 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,040 of flying off into the sunset and everything being all right one day. 49 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,560 My name is Wayne Haynes. I was born in London, 50 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,840 a place called Lee Green, which is very leafy, 51 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,160 very '60s suburbia. 52 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:34,360 Don't ask me how I ended up being a teenager living in New Cross 53 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,840 in what we called Ghetto. 54 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,840 HE CHUCKLES 55 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,920 That was not part of the plan 56 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,440 when my mum gave birth! 57 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:47,040 But my mother and father split up, my mum had a nervous breakdown, 58 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,840 I ended up in care for two years, being fostered, 59 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:55,360 with a white family who treated me like I was one of their own. 60 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,680 It's life, and you get on with it and you learn, 61 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,800 and it teaches you that people are people. 62 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:12,480 My name is Denise Gooding. I grew up in Camberwell, in South East London, 63 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,040 with my mum and my dad and my three brothers. 64 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,920 We lived in a flat, it was a four-bedroom flat. It was good, 65 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,440 it was nice living in a flat, cos it's like a community, 66 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,240 so you all knock on each other's doors. 67 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,320 In those days, everybody came to our house. 68 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,200 My parents, I think they felt safer knowing 69 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,960 that as long as we were there, they would know where we were. 70 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,360 It was an open house, you know, cos if someone's kid come and I send 71 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,160 them away and something happened out there, I would blame myself. 72 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,480 So, you know, I always let them in. 73 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,920 Plus, my dad played dominoes. 74 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,160 So him and all his friends and family and that would come in 75 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,840 on a Friday night and they would play dominoes. 76 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:56,960 So while they were playing the dominoes, we'd be playing music, 77 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,560 because Richard and David and Andrew were all into music. 78 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:08,000 My name's Richard, Richard Gooding. To be truthful, our house was pretty 79 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,160 open with my mum and dad's friends, so there was always, like, music. 80 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,840 We would just sit in the house, 81 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:15,640 I'd play my vinyls - what we called toasting back then. 82 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,240 # Bring back the memories... # 83 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,640 And David would be playing the bass guitar, 84 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,360 and my friends would be singing, and Andrew would be banging, 85 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,720 banging away at this thing, making drums - I don't know, 86 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,000 for some reason, he seemed to like drums. I don't know. 87 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,800 I was the oldest of the four of us. 88 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,680 David, he's a year younger than me. 89 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,640 My brother, Andrew, he was four years younger than me. 90 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,040 My sister, Denise, well, she's always been the baby. 91 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,040 And we were really close, just a typical family. We didn't have much 92 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,800 but, you know, we were really happy. 93 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:52,960 My name is Sandra Ruddock. 94 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,360 My mum and dad were the sweetest people ever. 95 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,440 Erm, my dad was a famous wrestler. 96 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,840 In the Blue corner, ladies and gentlemen, 97 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:05,760 King of the head butts, from West Africa, Johnny Kwango! 98 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,760 He was king of the head butts - he had a REALLY hard head. 99 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,040 It was showmanship, they were there to entertain the public. 100 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,160 LAUGHTER 101 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,200 We lived in Dulwich until I was about eight, 102 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,880 and then we moved to Peckham. 103 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,160 And we had to be careful with the friends that we chose. 104 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,320 Me and my brother were not allowed 105 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,040 to get in trouble with the police or do anything untoward. 106 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,560 My mum always used to say to us, "Remember, 107 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,000 "it's your dad's reputation when you go out on the street." 108 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,440 We used to go to work with him. I quite enjoyed that, 109 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,120 I loved going to work with my dad. I loved it, it was nice. 110 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,200 I liked sitting in the front row, the old biddies going up 111 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,920 and shouting, "Leave him alone! Leave him alone!" 112 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,400 I'm going, "Yeah, that's my dad! Leave him alone!" 113 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:54,960 COMMENTATOR CHUCKLES 114 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,920 And it's over the top for Kwango. Holding the arms well. 115 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,360 That's got to be it. 116 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,960 My mum was just a housewife, really. 117 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:08,040 They were happily married for 40-odd years, and I remember at school, 118 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,120 a couple of guys said, "If there was a war between blacks and whites, 119 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,120 "what side of the fence would you be on?" I was quite upset. 120 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,880 # Children of the Ghetto 121 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,520 # Running wild and free 122 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,800 # In the concrete jungle... # 123 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,760 In my time, at school... 124 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,480 The Telegraph and the Daily Express. 125 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,200 ..black boys were not encouraged to do anything. 126 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,440 I was already being told, "You're not going to be a pilot." 127 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,160 By then, you know, you'd hear a lot of kids at school saying, you know, 128 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,480 "Go back home, get back on your banana boat 129 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,240 "and go back where you come from," and things like that. 130 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,160 So, then, you know, I then... 131 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,920 As I got of age, I started to hear about National Front, and knew 132 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:01,360 what they were all about. 133 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:06,640 We believe that the only solution to the rising tide of race trouble 134 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,680 in this country is for a complete stop 135 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,400 to all further coloured immigration and 136 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,920 for total repatriation of 137 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,760 the coloured immigrants and their descendants. 138 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,320 ARCHIVE: The National Front is wooing the white vote, 139 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,200 with calls for repatriation and more police. 140 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,520 So, no chanting, no singing, no banner-waving, you're just 141 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,960 pedestrians out for a stroll to give out leaflets, all right? 142 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,680 My name is George Rhoden. I grew up in a time when racism was prominent. 143 00:08:36,680 --> 00:08:39,840 I know that they were National Front, I've seen them 144 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,920 walking in town and they've got their leaflets, 145 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,320 they're handing out their leaflets, the same white middle-aged men... 146 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,000 We believe in stopping immigration right away. 147 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,200 ..sending out their messages, driving along in the street... 148 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,040 The National Front says, stop immigration. 149 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,240 ..then screaming out obscenities to you. 150 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,400 I'd seen them outside the school. 151 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,640 And so, anyway, one day, we were having a laugh after school 152 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,680 and things like that, 153 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:07,640 and I could see a little bit of a flicker of a flame, 154 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,360 and I saw a small group of people 155 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:11,760 burning a cross. 156 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,120 We all looked at each other and think, "What are they doing?!" 157 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,160 I was probably, what, I don't know, 14, 15? 158 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,720 "What are they doing?" And then you saw 159 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,200 the guy with the hood, 160 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,520 he was probably the only one with a hood on. 161 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,080 That was the Ku Klux Klan. I never proved it, 162 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,040 but why would he be burning a cross, and the guy's got a hood on? 163 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,800 Could it just be a little bit of a joke? Don't know. 164 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,560 But scared the shit out of me. 165 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,040 Stop coloured immigration. 166 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:45,280 My name's Mykaell Riley. I grew up in Handsworth, in Birmingham, 167 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,560 as a first-generation black British-born individual. 168 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,040 Back in the '70s, my household, as with many households, 169 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:59,440 had the Queen adorning the top of the fireplace or something. 170 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,120 And we would complain about society 171 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,080 outside the house, and our parents would always default 172 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,720 to assuming we'd done something wrong, 173 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,320 and we were ignorant of our own history, right? 174 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,040 So we're trying to find ourselves. 175 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,520 And then Bob Marley arrives with a narrative which has given us 176 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,440 an alternative sense of identity. 177 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:26,880 # No sun will shine in my day today 178 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,840 # No sun will shine 179 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:36,800 # The high yellow moon won't come out to play... # 180 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:41,720 So were listening to each record, to get a sense of who we are. 181 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,160 # Darkness has covered my light... # 182 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,120 And songs like Concrete Jungle 183 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:52,240 directly spoke to the challenge of growing up, to being black British. 184 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,320 # Where is the love to be found...? # 185 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:01,800 And this is the Britain that I'm growing up in, with aspirations to 186 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,280 conquer the world through music. 187 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:09,720 In the background of most, if not all reggae, it stems from suffering. 188 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,640 # Instead of concrete jungle... # 189 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,160 Cos reggae is suffering, basically. 190 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,520 And it's truth as well. Yeah. 191 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,120 # Concrete jungle Jungle 192 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:27,560 # Man, you got to do your best... # 193 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:33,040 My name is Alex Wheatle. I grew up without any family whatsoever. 194 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:37,120 My mother could not look after me, so I was placed into care, 195 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,960 and so I was totally detached from my culture, 196 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,840 until I went to Brixton. 197 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,120 I mean, I was growing to love reggae music, 198 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,200 from even before I moved to Brixton, and to hear it everywhere, 199 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,360 it seemed to be every street corner. I remember Soferno B, 200 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,680 I remember Desmond's Hip City. 201 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,960 I remember Bob Marley's track, Concrete Jungle. 202 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,600 I had very much low esteem, I had to fight against that, almost on a 203 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,840 daily basis, to reclaim my identity, 204 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,440 and reggae music helped in that process. 205 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:22,920 My name's Andy, and I was a friend of Paul Ruddock's. 206 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,320 I first became aware of Paul due to the music - 207 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,080 he was playing his radio quite loud. 208 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,440 Capital record break! 209 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:38,840 # Woman, take me in your arms Rock your baby... # 210 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,800 He played Rock Your Baby by George McCrae. 211 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,800 I didn't know he was black for the first month, 212 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,040 couldn't actually see him, he couldn't see me. 213 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,200 Cos we were both in traction, I had to look up to the ceiling, 214 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,160 because it's the most comfortable place to rest my head. 215 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,760 I had a severe motorcycle accident, 216 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,520 and I found out that he had a motorcycle accident. Anyway, the 217 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:08,360 rooms were adjacent, he used to play music, Capital Radio, at the time. 218 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,040 I used to play music, Radio 1. 219 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,240 It was a really hot summer, 1976. 220 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,280 So we had the windows open, the doors open, 221 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,520 and we used to, like, shout in to each other, 222 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:20,880 "Did you like that song?" 223 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,360 It was a bit of a competition, really. 224 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,040 We had two different stations blaring out the music. 225 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,920 The nurses used to come into the room and say, "Right, stop! Stop!" 226 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,320 MUSIC STOPS 227 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,720 And then they would walk off, and we'd turn the radios up again. 228 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,400 I played him Play That Funky Music, White Boy 229 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,080 by Wild Cherry. 230 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:49,320 I'm not sure that Paul actually liked it. He went, "Mm..." 231 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,000 He was quite interesting to talk to. 232 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,240 He was confident, but he used words that I'd never heard before. 233 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,800 He used the word "cool", and "Oh, that's cool". 234 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,680 And I went, "Oh, what does that mean?" You know? 235 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:10,320 When I came back to London, and they had moved my mum to New Cross, 236 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,000 we lived on the estate, with a bad reputation. 237 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,280 Milton Court Estate. 238 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,400 That's the beginning of Ghetto. 239 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,520 We called ourselves the Ghetto Posse. 240 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:26,280 But the police created that ghetto where, the way how you policed it 241 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,320 and handled it, you've locked us off into our own little circle. 242 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,640 Back in our day, the police used to pick you up, as a youngster, 243 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,840 and they're not phoning your parents as soon as they pick you up, 244 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,800 they take you down the police station, 245 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,560 or they take you in the back of the van, and they kick hell 246 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,880 out of you, and then they just let you back out on the street. 247 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,440 # Police and thieves in the street... # 248 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,440 Get him up! Stop! 249 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,320 My name is Peter Bleksley. By the late '70s, 250 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,640 at the end of my 18 months in the cadets, I became 251 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:04,200 the uniformed police constable, and I'm told I'm going to Peckham. 252 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,880 I learnt very quickly that it had a 253 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,080 considerable Afro-Caribbean population. 254 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,680 I've lived in Bexleyheath, I've been trained in Hendon, 255 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,600 I'm a teenager. 256 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,160 Black faces, I think, frightened me. 257 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,200 I... I wasn't familiar. 258 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,480 # The next generation... # 259 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,520 And I pretty quickly learned that there was 260 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,760 a lot of racism within the police force. 261 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,000 People were fitted up with bags of drugs, 262 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,520 people were fitted up with offensive weapons. 263 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,160 What's going on?Sit in the back of my motor and I'll tell you. 264 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,400 And so often, they were young black people. 265 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,760 When I'm walking on the streets at night, they just come and stop me. 266 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,520 They start picking on me and asking me where I'm going, where 267 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,320 do I live, and if you don't answer, 268 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,840 you find yourself in the back of the car. True. 269 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,840 ARCHIVE: In Brixton, there's been a 25% increase 270 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,760 in violent crime - things like robbery and muggings. 271 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,000 The dilemma has been how to respond to repeated calls 272 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,680 for more black policemen. 273 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,640 In uniform, it's really nerve-racking. 274 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,720 But those blacks who do sign up 275 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,240 are often seen as having joined the other side. 276 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,000 I was interested in policing from a really early age, 277 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,160 but at 16, I didn't know what to expect. 278 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,760 And, er, when I told my parents, they looked at each other, 279 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,840 and you could see that there was fear in their eyes. 280 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,720 They knew what the police were about, they knew that they 281 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,120 were racist, they knew. 282 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,280 But they never, ever said anything. 283 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,840 They... All they did was supported me. 284 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,440 When I told my friends, everybody just stood there looking at me. 285 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,480 And one of them just stepped forward, 286 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,840 and he just, like, "Are you fuckin' mad?!" He said, 287 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,720 "Boy, you're going to become a traitor." Looked me up and down. 288 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,120 "You're going to become a traitor." 289 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,600 And I'm, like, a little bit shocked at his reaction. 290 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,840 Are things between you and the police getting better or worse? 291 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,720 Worse. Well, I'd say worse. 292 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,680 I said to the policeman that 293 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,040 you're not supposed to be parked on a double yellow line. 294 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,640 So I carried on walking up Leyton Road 295 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,120 and then he just followed me slowly with his car. 296 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:14,560 And then he was calling me "black bastard" and 297 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,760 we should go back to our own country, and all this and that. 298 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,600 These are the lifestyles of what we were living back in those days. 299 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,160 We used to get picked up just for loitering. 300 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:29,840 So, my first day on duty, as I walked in, it just went quiet, 301 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,400 and I could see everybody looking. 302 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,000 Can you produce your appointments, please? 303 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,760 So the Sergeant said, "Right, PC300," which was my number, 304 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,840 "you will be with PC so-and-so." 305 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,200 And all I heard, 306 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,080 "You must be fucking joking." 307 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,800 And you were taught to take your radio and do your signal checks, 308 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:54,400 like, "Charlie Victor from PC300, can I have a signal check, please?" 309 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,120 And then they're supposed to come back, and all I got was 310 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:00,960 a barrage of monkey noises that came through that radio. 311 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,480 ARCHIVE: The Evelyn Estate in South East London 312 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,480 is typical of the urban battlegrounds 313 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,840 in which the muggers and their victims meet. 314 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,160 Here, the unemployed youngsters' 315 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,880 impulsive need for cash can easily be gratified. 316 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,360 I put my purse in my shopping bag and I came round to the lift 317 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:21,680 and pressed the button, and as I did so, 318 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,160 I turned round and this dark fellow followed me in, and I put my 319 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,600 hand in my bag to get my purse out, and it wasn't there to take out. 320 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,440 That old lady, the fear she and her friends have 321 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,160 is the fear of being mugged, 322 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,800 and it's been associated with the new generation of black teenagers 323 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,320 in the capital. 324 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,800 Mugging, it was just seen as being exclusively black, 325 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,200 as though it had been imported into the UK 326 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,640 by black people, and the victims were white women, 327 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,800 and so it became very, very emotive. 328 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,720 I think, as well, one's got to say that there is 329 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,520 a certain element of racism. 330 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,720 Now, I hope that we move away from that, and as black people... 331 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,280 My name is Russell Proffitt, and during the late '70s, 332 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,560 I was working in primary education, and I also was 333 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,200 a local councillor on Lewisham Council. 334 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,840 It really was very, very difficult 335 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:17,720 to shift the public perception away from the issue of muggings, as such. 336 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,720 It was plastered all over the local newspapers, incidents 337 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,760 were happening everywhere. 338 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,680 When you look at the facts, that was not the case, 339 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,320 and it was a shorthand way, basically, 340 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:35,200 of saying to young black people, "You will be criminalised." 341 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,840 As the majority of police are white, 342 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,520 might not like black people, you know what I mean? They're always 343 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,320 saying about black youths, mugging old women and all that, so that 344 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,640 sort of brings out prejudice against us. 345 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,880 Who's making a complaint? Who's making a complaint? 346 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,320 At the time, the black community found themselves 347 00:19:54,320 --> 00:20:00,280 the scapegoats for a lot of the ills then taking place. 348 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,600 I think a lot of it is scapegoat politics. 349 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,880 Um, I think that people seem to think that blacks are easy targets. 350 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,920 There was a sort of an arrest spree, 351 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,640 21 young people arrested on suspicion of muggings. 352 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,440 My name's Syd Shelton. I was both an activist and a photographer. 353 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,600 The Metropolitan Police, at five o'clock in the morning, 354 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,440 smashed the doors down of 21 houses and arrested 355 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,000 21 young people. 356 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,640 I heard about it because I was asked to photograph the man 357 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,400 leading the campaign for the freedom of the Lewisham 21, 358 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,200 and some of the people were little more than children. 359 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,840 But it was what inspired the National Front to set up 360 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,880 what they called "the anti-mugging march", which was 361 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,560 scheduled for the 13th of August, 1977. 362 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,120 They proposed to march through New Cross and Lewisham. 363 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:55,280 The National Front decided that that would be their way 364 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,320 of showing that they were clearing out the neighbourhoods. 365 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,840 Now is the crunch. 366 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,720 It's going to be a test of stamina, 367 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,440 it's going to be test of nerves. 368 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,160 We have got to institute a swift 369 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,400 and immediate programme 370 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,040 of humane repatriation 371 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,080 of all coloured immigrants, 372 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,520 their descendants and their dependents, since the passing 373 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,640 of the British Nationality Act in 1948. It's as simple as that. 374 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,160 Including those born here? 375 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,960 Absolutely, yes. 376 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,480 Including those born here. 377 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,400 The fact that they are born here doesn't make them British. 378 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,120 There is a community that you're part of 379 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:36,320 that sees you as alien, that sees you as other, 380 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,120 that sees you as momentary, and 381 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:42,240 we're looking back at our parents 382 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,320 and we're thinking, "Hold on a second, we were born here, 383 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,720 "we ARE British. How can you be applying the same mentality, 384 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,440 "the same mind-set to us?" 385 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,200 My generation, the first-generation UK black, 386 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,000 refuses the National Front, 387 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:05,880 the British Government and anybody else's calls for repatriation. 388 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,360 How can you send me back from where I came from? I was born here. 389 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:11,000 I'm going back where? 390 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,120 Well, I was anti-National Front anyway. 391 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:18,200 We were living in a multicultural society. I found it was different, 392 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,840 it was new, but other people were scared of that. 393 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:27,560 I used to go and stay at Paul's house, 439 New Cross Road, and 394 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,760 he invited me up there because there was 395 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,480 going to be a National Front march through Lewisham. 396 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,240 ARCHIVE: The march is due to start here, at Clifton Rise. 397 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,080 Most residents say they'll be staying at home, 398 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,040 the odd house is already boarded up, 399 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,920 and the police have advised everyone to keep away from Clifton Rise. 400 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,680 This was, like, about two nights before the march was due. 401 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,440 Paul said, "Let's go and get a kebab." Went into the kebab shop 402 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,720 and this white chap started racially abusing him. 403 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,480 So, Paul picked him up, off his feet, 404 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,920 and he just threw him out in the street. 405 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,160 This guy was then staggering up the road, 406 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,480 and then another guy came flying out the pub, 407 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,560 and he had a crash helmet on, 408 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,240 motorcycle crash helmet on, 409 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,920 and he's gone straight up to Paul, 410 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,080 head-butted him, and then he ran back into the pub. 411 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,000 With this, Paul ran down to his house 412 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,960 and he'd come back with a great big knife, huge knife, 413 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,520 and I said, "Where you going to go with that?" 414 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,240 He said, "I'm going in there after him." 415 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,040 I said, "No, no, no, come on." 416 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,280 Then I realised, you know, the tension, 417 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,920 there was this sort of tension there. 418 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,920 TRAIN HORN 419 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,320 The most difficult policing events for me 420 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,600 to deal with was the National Front demonstrations. 421 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,080 You get on the coach to get down there 422 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,480 and you would have officers from different stations 423 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,200 that were all joined together, and they call it coming on aid, 424 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,120 and at that time we were wearing long rain macs, 425 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:20,000 so an officer went to put on his long rain mac, 426 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:25,160 and inside his long rain mac was a National Front badge. 427 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,560 And I looked at him and he just looked at me, 428 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,440 put the thing on and walked off. 429 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,960 He didn't want to hide it. 430 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,840 He just put it on and he walked off. I went, "Wow!" 431 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,080 PROTESTERS CHANT: The National Front is a Nazi front! 432 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,000 Smash the National Front! 433 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:44,760 The problem was, the police allowed these people to march 434 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,400 through predominantly black areas... 435 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,320 ..knowing what it's going to cause. 436 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,520 We'll be moving off in just a minute! 437 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,800 So, they ain't coming past here. 438 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,920 We ain't having it. 439 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,560 You had the teenagers, they're not having it, 440 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,920 because we were born here. 441 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,920 Our parents came out, our big brothers and sisters came out, 442 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,720 Darcus Howe. 443 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,080 Everybody came out, 444 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,240 because we were not going to be intimidated in our own homes. 445 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,440 I know the picture I took of Darcus Howe 446 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,200 standing on the toilet block on Clifton Rise. 447 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,080 He gave a speech which was, basically, "They shall not pass." 448 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,000 We knew there were scores to be settled that day, 449 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,880 we knew it was going to be a big confrontation and a fight, 450 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,240 and we must stand up to this intimidation of the community. 451 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,320 So, it was a National Front march. 452 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,000 CROWD CHANTS 453 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,800 Screaming obscenities, 454 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:58,680 and screaming racist language across my bows, to the other side. 455 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,160 The National Front is a white men's front! 456 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,680 Join the National Front! 457 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,520 I'm now protecting the National Front people 458 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,120 from being attacked by my own! 459 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:11,160 CROWD SHOUTS 460 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,600 GLASS SHATTERS 461 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,520 CHANTING: Scum! Scum! Scum! 462 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,240 You know, there's pushing and shoving, and pushing and shoving. 463 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,240 "Why are you protecting them? 464 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,840 "Why are you protecting them? You Judas! You traitor!" 465 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,160 I was, like... I was mixed up. 466 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,680 Nazis! 467 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,080 HE YELLS 468 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,880 All white people ain't the same, 469 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,600 just like all black people ain't the same. 470 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,320 And you got a whole load of English people... 471 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,200 Bastards! 472 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,920 ..that don't care whether you're black or you're white. 473 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,920 So, you had a lot of black, white people out there fighting racists. 474 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,160 These are people who are chanting, "If they're black, send them back." 475 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,760 These people have to be confronted and defeated. 476 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,840 And it was very much like... Almost like a medieval battle. 477 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,000 I remember very well, somebody opening the windows 478 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,880 and putting two big speakers there 479 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,000 and putting Bob Marley's Get Up, Stand Up on, 480 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,120 as loud as they could. 481 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:16,800 #Get up, stand up 482 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,080 # Stand up for your rights 483 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,760 #Get up, stand up 484 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,960 # Stand up for your rights 485 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,040 #Get up, stand up 486 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,360 # Don't give up the fight 487 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:32,600 EXPLOSION 488 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,440 # Preacher man, don't tell me 489 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,640 # Heaven is under the Earth 490 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,240 # I know you don't know 491 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,960 # What life is really worth... # 492 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,200 During the battle of Lewisham, as everyone likes to call it now, 493 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,720 for the first time we felt empowered to do something about these racists, 494 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,520 and people started fighting back. 495 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,880 REPORTER: The crowd, which had been held back, was angry. 496 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,200 They broke through the police cordon 497 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,080 and then another battle between them and the police flared up. 498 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,280 3,500 police, the most ever seen in London, 499 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,280 have been drafted in for today's violence. 500 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,800 #Get up, stand up 501 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,480 # Don't give up the fight... # 502 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,920 And then you started seeing police on horses, 503 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,560 rushing down towards Peckham way. 504 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,040 # Take away everything 505 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,640 # And make everybody feel high... # 506 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,360 They deployed their entire mounted division, 507 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,120 a quarter of the entire Metropolitan Police. 508 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:36,760 They also used riot shields for the first time in mainland Britain. 509 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,840 So, they came for a fight. 510 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,240 The police were attacking us. 511 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,840 #Get up, stand up 512 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,120 # Stand up for your rights... # 513 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,840 You couldn't attack us, there were too many of us. 514 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,720 For the first time ever, when the police started fighting, 515 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,200 we were fighting the police. 516 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,720 # We sick an' tired of your ism-schism game 517 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,680 # Dyin' and goin' to heaven in-a Jesus' name, Lord 518 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,400 # We know when we understand 519 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,200 # Almighty God is a living man 520 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,600 # You can fool some people sometimes 521 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,280 # But you can't fool all the people all the time 522 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,640 # So now we see the light 523 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,000 # We gonna stand up for our rights... # 524 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,200 At one stage a crowd surrounded Lewisham Police Station 525 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,680 and set fire to a motorcycle belonging to a member of the press. 526 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:29,080 '77 was the year that the racists realised they had a fight. 527 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,120 You know, it really shows what people think. 528 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,560 It just shows how much feeling there is against the National Front. 529 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,520 The majority of people are against them, yeah. 530 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,000 I just think the National Front want someone to blame... 531 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,520 Someone to pick on. 532 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,680 ..for what's happening to the country at the moment. 533 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,200 About three or four months later, Moonshot gets burnt down. 534 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,720 REPORTER: On December the 14th, 535 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,360 when the Moonshot project was smoked out of the old mission hall 536 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,360 in Pagnell Street, Deptford, many black people in the area 537 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,400 thought they smelt racialism at work. 538 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,960 Moonshot, it was one of the places 539 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,920 where a lot of black people used to go and congregate again, 540 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,920 and then, six, seven months after that, 541 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,560 I remember the Albany got burnt down. 542 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,320 REPORTER: The Albany Theatre was gutted by fire. 543 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,240 The blaze came only a week after the combination 544 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,480 had staged a series of plays aimed at fostering racial harmony. 545 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,520 People from New Cross went to Moonshot. 546 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,520 People from Deptford went to Albany. 547 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,720 I believe that was a backlash of the Battle of Lewisham. 548 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,280 Petrol bombs were getting thrown, all... 549 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,240 They were taking white spirit and spraying it through letterboxes, 550 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,760 when your house is in darkness, and drop a match through. 551 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,960 Well, that's your exit blocked - 552 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,760 we live in flats, we live in maisonettes. 553 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,200 What you going to do? Jump out the window? 554 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,400 That became a thing, after hours, 555 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,080 that used to happen around Deptford and Lewisham and Peckham, 556 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,400 and places like Brixton. 557 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,120 REPORTER: Last October there was an attempt to burn down the home 558 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,680 of Mr Jamal Singh and his family. 559 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,840 It just was quite frightening. Racial incidents would occur, 560 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:17,520 and none of these incidents that happened led to any arrests. 561 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,520 There was almost like a feeling that it didn't matter. 562 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,760 I've never heard of anybody getting arrested 563 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,480 for doing one of those firebombs. 564 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,000 Between '77 and '81, 565 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,520 I never heard of not one arrest. 566 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,400 My name is Leila Hassan, 567 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,680 and in 1981 I was a member of the Race Today Collective, 568 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,800 based in Brixton, and we were aware many of the police officers 569 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,200 were National Front sympathisers. 570 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,040 So, when the fascists attacked a lot of book shops, 571 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,520 we had a big campaign against the racist attacks 572 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,160 against radical and black book shops 573 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,960 that was mounted by the fascists at that time. 574 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,520 The National Front is seeking to terrorise us out of existence, 575 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,160 but we recognise the state has a certain responsibility 576 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,280 and we will bring it to the attention of them, 577 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,880 because if you were to arrange self-defence groups here, 578 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,560 you can rest assured that the police would be attacking us 579 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,560 and not...and not the fascists. 580 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,240 In the late '70s, that tension was increasing 581 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,440 across all the major cities 582 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,080 where you have a sizeable black community and black youth. 583 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,360 The state, the police, the media was telling you, 584 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,520 "You're not from here, you don't belong here. Go home." 585 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:37,160 And so your sense of what is possible is severely challenged. 586 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,880 I was in the band Steel Pulse, a small band in Birmingham. 587 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:50,400 Our songs were a direct response to the political backdrop of the day. 588 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,960 # Walking along just kicking stones 589 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,720 # Minding my own business 590 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,920 # I come face-to-face with my foe 591 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,320 # Disguised in violence from head to toe... # 592 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,880 And so Ku Klux Klan was a direct conversation, I think, with racism. 593 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,920 # ..let me go now 594 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,000 # To let me go was not dem intention... # 595 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,400 We thought that these lynchings were happening by the police, 596 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,400 and by racist thugs. 597 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,600 # ..the Ku Klux Klan... # 598 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,680 Myself and Alphonso, the other vocalist on stage, 599 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,920 we wore the hoods, 600 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,520 and I thought, "We want to leave you in no doubt of this message," 601 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,480 and up until that point, 602 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,080 our audience, our biggest audience, was punks. 603 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,560 So, we were wearing Ku Klux Klan hoods 604 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,320 on stage to a punk audience 605 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,080 who, I think, in the first few times we donned the hoods, 606 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,280 the audience just went silent, 607 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,320 and outside our gigs it's the National Front 608 00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:00,560 selling their papers and saying, "Er, it's not about you, mate." 609 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,120 # Hello, Maggie 610 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,480 # Well, hello, Maggie 611 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,840 # Now you're really on the road 612 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,440 # To Number... ALL: ..10. # 613 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,160 Terrific! You can do it on your own! 614 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,120 Britain's at a turning point, and I believe that more trade... 615 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,160 APPLAUSE 616 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,160 Yes, do clap. 617 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,920 LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE 618 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,800 Do you see the Tory accusation that Labour has ran Britain down 619 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,480 as a winning strategy? 620 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,240 I think what will decide the electorate's choice 621 00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:35,520 will be, under which party do you think things will get least bad? 622 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:36,880 There. 623 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,320 What L1 would buy in groceries under the Tory government 624 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,920 in my right BLUE hand. 625 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,520 From now on, both major parties 626 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,840 will field their leaders more or less daily. 627 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,720 I'd like to talk about some of the issues. 628 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:53,080 I'd like to start on immigration. 629 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,800 We must hold out the prospect of a clear end to immigration. 630 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,000 With the backdrop of national politicians 631 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,080 attempting to exploit the differences 632 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,800 between the communities... 633 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,640 People are really rather afraid 634 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,920 that this country might be rather swamped 635 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,800 by people with a different culture. 636 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,480 ..with Margaret Thatcher. 637 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,040 Thatcher talked about swamping the culture of the Brits. 638 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,080 But if there is any fear that it might be swamped, 639 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,600 people are going to react and be rather hostile to those coming in. 640 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,800 I saw Margaret Thatcher, with her statements 641 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,800 about alien cultures swamping this country, 642 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,600 and, personally, I hated her. "What is she talking about?" 643 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,600 In my view, that's one thing 644 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,640 that's driving some people to the National Front. 645 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,920 They don't agree with the objectives of the National Front, 646 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,000 but they say that at least they're talking about some of the problems. 647 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,920 We produced a special issue of Race Today. 648 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,920 We understood that if a British politician 649 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,600 could get up and say that, then, really, our lives 650 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,720 were going to be made much, much more difficult. 651 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:01,640 REPORTER: The troubles began early, as many of Southall's 30,000 Asians 652 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,880 blocked off every road to the town hall. 653 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,880 National Front bastards! 654 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,560 The National Front was smuggled into the town hall through a back street. 655 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,760 Go back home! 656 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,960 Police arrested 300 people, 657 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,440 and 40 people received hospital treatment. 658 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,600 Blair Peach, a London teacher 659 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,560 and father of two children, was hit so hard on the head that he died. 660 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,520 REPORTER: Opposite the police station, 661 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,920 a small group gathered to protest at the circumstances 662 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,160 of Blair Peach's death. 663 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,960 When I first heard about it, I thought Blair Peach was black! 664 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,760 Because everyone was so animated about that. 665 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,320 The general discussion was, 666 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,960 "Oh, my God, they're killing us on the street now!" 667 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,080 The Southall riots happened while Mrs Thatcher was out of London, 668 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,240 but at her first stop today, in Huddersfield, 669 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:45,440 she immediately talked about what she called 670 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,880 last night's tragic events. 671 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,320 We totally condemn the racial policies of the National Front, 672 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,320 and we have no sympathy whatsoever with any extremist group. 673 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,080 But you will, then, have a tough new immigration policy, 674 00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,800 should you come to power. 675 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,440 I have described what it is. 676 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,360 How you describe what I say is a matter for you. 677 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,760 Hearing what Thatcher was saying, 678 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,920 it felt, because I was born here, that I'm not wanted... 679 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:18,040 Here comes the Prime Ministerial Rover, bearing, now, Mrs Thatcher. 680 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,680 ..and this particular government doesn't want us, 681 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,280 and it felt like they wanted to purge us from the streets. 682 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,480 Even though we were born here, 683 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,120 even though we were as British as anybody. 684 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,400 Paul's family home was 439 New Cross Road. 685 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,480 It's a three-storey Georgian terrace house with a basement, 686 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,120 on a main road. 687 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:45,520 Paul worked, in the evenings, in a pub in Peckham, 688 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,440 which my brother worked in, and he introduced me to Paul. 689 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,760 We just hit it off straight-away, from then on. 690 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,440 He was fun, free, outgoing. 691 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,680 Everybody that met him said he's such a lovely guy, 692 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,280 he's easy to get on with. 693 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,800 I didn't really know much about Paul meeting Sandra, 694 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,960 but he did tell me he'd met this girl and her name was Sandra, 695 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,800 and he said, "I'm going to marry her." 696 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,960 He asked me to meet him in the pub one evening after work. 697 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,560 Sitting at the bar, 698 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,160 he said, "I've got something really personal to ask you. 699 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,040 "Will you marry me?" 700 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,000 I looked at him, I went, "You're joking!" 701 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,040 I went, "Yeah, OK." I didn't think he was serious! 702 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,240 REPORTER: Lady Diana was saying nothing 703 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,320 about her weekend with Prince Charles 704 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,360 to the assembled press corps. 705 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,000 Lady Diana's nickname at school was "Shy Di". 706 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,080 Is she shy? 707 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,800 I believe she is slightly shy. 708 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,400 So few people seem to know anything about her. 709 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,160 I'm not going to say anything. 710 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,400 Oh, sorry! Prince Charles did give us a hint himself. 711 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,600 He said we wouldn't have to wait too long. 712 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,360 Oh, careful! 713 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,240 These are my wedding photos of mine and Paul. 714 00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:57,920 We got married the 19th of July 1980. 715 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,320 That's a nice photo. I like that one of me and him. 716 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,680 It was a lovely day. 717 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,920 He was blowing in my face in this photo. 718 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,680 SHE CHUCKLES 719 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,200 Lady Diana is a good choice, and her father, 720 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,320 her uncle, Lord Fermoy, and others, have even vouched for her virginity. 721 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,440 She fits the bill in a number of ways, yes. 722 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,080 Obviously, she is going to be bearing kings of England. 723 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,000 Sandra was expecting. 724 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,680 She already had a daughter, called Vivien. 725 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,400 That's my Vivien, and Paul. 726 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,240 And he was quite excited about having a baby 727 00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:36,400 and taking the responsibility. 728 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,520 After he had his motorbike accident, 729 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,960 he was told that he might not ever be able to father children, 730 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,120 so when I found out I was pregnant with Janine, 731 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,640 he was absolutely over the moon. 732 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,200 He couldn't believe it. 733 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,360 That's a picture with his sister Yvonne. 734 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,880 She had the nicest personality you could ever dream of. 735 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,440 Yvonne had actually said to me and Paul, 736 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,640 "I'm going to ask Mum if I can have a birthday party. 737 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,440 "What do you think Mum will say?" 738 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,720 Paul said, "We'll see what we can do." 739 00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:11,360 Her friend Angela was actually 18 740 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,040 the same day she was 16, and they were friends at school, 741 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,880 so could they combine two birthdays? 742 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,440 So, that's what they did. 743 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,080 Yvonne was my brother's girlfriend, my brother David. 744 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,000 Yvonne used to frequent our house. 745 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,280 When she used to come round, we used to play tunes in the house. 746 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,840 She liked lovers rock. 747 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,600 I remember David giving her some record called At The Club. 748 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,400 That tune was kicking at the time, Victor Romero. 749 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,000 Tune. 750 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,480 # You wanna go get in the groove 751 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,640 # At the club... # 752 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:52,960 David and Yvonne, they got together not long before the party, 753 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,160 because I remember it was because they were seeing each other 754 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,360 is why I was allowed to go. 755 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,000 I remember her standing in the kitchen, 756 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,160 and she said to my mum, could Denise come to the party, 757 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,920 could Denise and Andrew come to the party? 758 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,480 She was friendly with Andrew and Denise. 759 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,000 "Remember, you have to come to my party, 760 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,400 "and if you don't come to my party, don't talk to me any more." 761 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,520 You know? And they were talking about the party. 762 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,880 They were talking about it all the time. 763 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,440 I declare Christmas season open! 764 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,920 CROWD CHEERS 765 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,360 I heard about the party at Christmas. 766 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,800 I was going to stay for Christmas with Paul, 767 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,800 and he said, "Oh, I'm going up to Rugby. 768 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,360 "Can you bring my mum up?" 769 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,520 So, a couple of days later I picked his mum up 770 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,400 and drove her up to Rugby, as well. 771 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,080 Armza Ruddock. I was introduced to her as Auntie Gee, 772 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,280 but, yeah, Armza Ruddock. 773 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,600 She was the mother of Yvonne Ruddock and Paul Ruddock. 774 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,600 Auntie Gee's family, in Rugby, lived three doors away from us, 775 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,440 so when she came to see her mum's side of the family, 776 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,520 they came there, and they must have said, 777 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,760 "Well, your dad's side of the family, the Ruddocks, 778 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,640 "actually live three doors up, down the road," 779 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,320 so when they came and knocked our door, 780 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,440 they went, "Oh, my God," and told us about the party. 781 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,040 "Oh, we're going to have a party next year, do you want to come?" 782 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,480 We were getting to know each other, 783 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,800 the whole party was getting to know each other's family, 784 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,720 because we didn't know each other before, 785 00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:11,720 we didn't even know we had that family in London. 786 00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:13,800 My sound system played at the party, 787 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,280 so we knew about the party 788 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,120 from the time that they started to put it together. 789 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,240 I wanted to have something to identify for myself, 790 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:24,000 so me and my friends at school, we created the sound. 791 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,480 Steve, Gerry and myself, we fudged this thing together. 792 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,840 Steve Collins - we used to call him Brillo in school. 793 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,120 He had a great big afro, and it was just wiry, 794 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,240 and Steve's dad, a guy they used to call Sir Collins, 795 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:44,440 he had a sound system. He gave us our first set of bass boxes. 796 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,160 Gerry Francis, again, he was into his music. 797 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,600 So, either me and Steve, or me and Gerry, or Gerry and Steve 798 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,960 were always together. 799 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,600 If you lived in an area, and you was a black person, 800 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,240 you knew the black people. 801 00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:01,160 Yvonne's a well-known, well-liked person. 802 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,920 If we give her one of the best parties of the year, 803 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,200 at the beginning of the year, 804 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,240 then everybody else is going to want to employ us 805 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:09,640 for the rest of the year, 806 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,840 because Yvonne's party was, "Yeah, that was the party." 807 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,360 On the day of the party, 808 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,560 I remember my brother Andrew, 809 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,920 I remember taking him to this barber's shop 810 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,560 and, you know, he had his afro haircut. 811 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,840 He was so pleased, you know, 812 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,960 because the hair was ready now, you know what I mean? 813 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,600 And my sister Denise, Denise was quite excited, 814 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,560 I remember her in a suit she had on. 815 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,760 Mate, I was mad excited! 816 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,960 I didn't know, really, what to expect of the party. 817 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,440 I just knew, "I'm going to party!" 818 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,800 DOORBELL RINGS 819 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,920 We got there just after about half past eight. 820 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,160 Everybody was running around, and people were being served drinks 821 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,520 and food was being cooked. 822 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,640 My mother-in-law made curry goat, rice and peas, chicken. 823 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,960 My daughter Viv was in every room, everywhere. 824 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:03,400 When we went to the party, I mean, I dropped them off there first. 825 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,000 I think it must have been about half nine or something. 826 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,640 I mean, it was a really nice house. 827 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,320 I mean, you could see that the house was really well looked after. 828 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,360 The party was on the first floor. 829 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,680 The front room on the ground floor, and the kitchen, is one big room, 830 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,040 and it's got concertina wooden doors that used to slide open, 831 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,200 but that evening the doors were closed. 832 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,560 The front room was special. 833 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,720 We hardly ever used the front room. 834 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,560 Where the party was, 835 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,800 was actually my mother-in-law's bedroom. 836 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,400 So, that was all cleared out, 837 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,840 all the furniture was down in the basement, 838 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,800 and you had to come to the kitchen 839 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,800 if you wanted a drink or you wanted food. 840 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,880 # Let me be that someone very special... # 841 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,440 We had the whole thing. 842 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,040 The crowd was going, the vibes was nice, the music was right. 843 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,080 # Let me be the one... # 844 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,200 I remember thinking, "This party's amazing," 845 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,040 because, obviously, I'm used to... My brothers played music, 846 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,120 so I knew all the tunes, do you know what I mean? 847 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,640 All the lovers rock tunes. 848 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,520 # Let me be that someone very special... # 849 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,040 My sister was dancing with this guy all night, called Frank, 850 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,520 and they were rubbing up, scrubbing up, as you want to call it, 851 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,360 all night long, and I'm thinking, "What's he doing with my sister?!" 852 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,040 But it's a party. 853 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,160 # Now I've got something to say... # 854 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,160 You know what? It's funny, music can tell the story of my life. 855 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,920 # Sha la la la la... # 856 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,880 The track for '81 is definitely Jean Adebambo, Paradise. 857 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,520 # Sometimes I sit down and I wonder... # 858 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,880 At the time, Jean Adebambo's song was like one of those songs, 859 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,000 it was one of the big lovers rock tunes. 860 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,520 One of my favourite tunes, 861 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,560 my girlfriend's favourite tune at the time. 862 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,360 My girlfriend at the time was Rosaline Henry. 863 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,240 I remember, when we played that tune, 864 00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,400 she took the microphone and she was singing it, 865 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,040 like, it's the man feeling great cos she's looking at me singing, 866 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,080 and she's got the mic in her hand, sort of like... 867 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,640 She had a good voice. She could sing. 868 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,680 # You make my life such a paradise... # 869 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,800 I was in and out of that party, 870 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,160 because remember, the party was a 16-year-old's party. 871 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,360 Right? And we were, like, 18, 19. 872 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,920 But one or two of my friends were there, 873 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,120 and I remember standing on the stairs, 874 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,880 I remember I was talking to Lloyd Hall for quite some time. 875 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,360 The party was great, it was a good party. 876 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,200 You had generations coming in at different times, 877 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,080 so you had the younger ones, who were there from the beginning... 878 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,480 ..and then you had the older ones who were coming in 879 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:42,960 for Angela's side of the party, 880 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,960 and they're coming in at, like, 12 o'clock. 881 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,400 So, loads of people were there. 882 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,000 You had to squeeze past people going up the stairs. 883 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,960 I stayed downstairs most of the evening. 884 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,480 The older adults were there, in the kitchen, 885 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,960 they were having their, sort of, own little party in the kitchen. 886 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,840 Paul was just generally keeping an eye 887 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,120 on who was coming into the house. 888 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,720 It got to about half past three, 889 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:17,560 and my Viv was really overtired, and I took Viv home. 890 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,560 I don't know no more, until about 8:30, when my door went. 891 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,760 Richard had come a couple of times to pick us up, 892 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,520 but this will tell you how good the party was, we were not ready. 893 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,680 The first time he came, 894 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,760 we were like, "No, we're having too much fun!" 895 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,160 Second time, "We're having too much fun!" 896 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,360 And then, when he came the last time, 897 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,200 I couldn't find my bag. 898 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,320 Denise and Andrew were quite close together 899 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:43,960 and doing a lot of stuff together, 900 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,920 so I didn't really feel that there was anything wrong. 901 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,800 I remember David was there, as well, 902 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,080 and we weren't new to the Ruddock house. 903 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,600 You know, it was getting about sort of five o'clock in the morning, 904 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:55,840 that sort of time, 905 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,600 so, I thought, "All right, I'll just go and sit in the front room," 906 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,200 and I think a group of girls came in, about five girls. 907 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,960 I remember them, like, asking if I had a cigarette or something. 908 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,760 Andrew was just sitting there, I think he was a bit tired... 909 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,080 ..but mainly we was just sitting there, just talking. 910 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,040 And then they left, and I thought, "All right, I'll get up." 911 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,480 At 5:30 in the morning, 912 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,840 I could still see people dancing. 913 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,840 It wasn't just a couple of people in a room, 914 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,640 we still had a lot of people in there. 915 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,840 The last track I remember being played 916 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,880 was Kingdom Rise and Kingdom Fall... 917 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,680 # Yes! # 918 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,480 ..by Wailing Souls. 919 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,280 Kingdom Rise and Kingdom Fall... 920 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,320 # Kingdom rise and kingdom fall... # 921 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,200 In the kitchen, Paul's mum, Armza, 922 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,480 out of the blue, she just said... She said something to Leslie Morris. 923 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,600 "Go and check on... Go and check." 924 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,560 And he went out the room, and he come back, 925 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,040 said, "Look at this!" 926 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,440 WHOOSH OF FLAMES 927 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,680 The ground floor front room was totally ablaze. 928 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,200 People ran out into the street. 929 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,160 I remember... I think it was Paul's mum 930 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,720 shouting up the stairs, "Fire! Fire!" 931 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,880 The window exploded - bang! 932 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,960 And there was, like, glass flying everywhere, you know? 933 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,600 You had to run into the road. 934 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,840 And Paul was next to me. 935 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,960 He said to me, "Where's Yvonne? 936 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,280 "Have you seen Yvonne?" 937 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,520 I said, "No, I think she's still in there, Paul!" 938 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:40,880 With that, he said, "Stay here," 939 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,880 and he just ran straight into the house. 940 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:48,000 # Kingdom rise and kingdom fall... # 941 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,680 I started to smell something, like burning, 942 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,600 but something getting blown, an amplifier blowing or something, 943 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,200 was a regular occurrence, 944 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,040 and I remember saying to Steve Collins, 945 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,000 like, "Smell that. Can you smell that?" 946 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,400 And he was like, "Yeah, it smells like something burning. 947 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,200 "Let me go and have a look behind the case," 948 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,840 where we keep all the amplifiers. 949 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,120 I think Gerry was probably still in the record box, 950 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,920 searching for the next tune, sort of thing. 951 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,320 So I said, "You know what? I'm going to go and get a drink. 952 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,560 "You want something?" And that was it, and I went off. 953 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,600 That's the last time I saw everybody. 954 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,160 # ..modern famine 955 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,080 # Speaking about human rights... # 956 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,720 I've come down the first set of stairs, turned the balcony, 957 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:30,520 and when I saw the smoke, I turned round and ran back upstairs. 958 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,000 I remember going back into the room and shouting, "Fire!" 959 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,760 For which, I believe, Paul had been in the room already. 960 00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:42,440 # Kingdom rise and kingdom fall... # 961 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,480 We were in the party and Paul came in, 962 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,040 and Paul came in, and he shouted "Fire!" 963 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,840 And there must have been some kind of, like, whether it was the fire 964 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,920 behind him or whatever, like a silhouette on him, 965 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,080 and when I looked at him properly, you could see the soot on his hair. 966 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,960 You could see stuff in his hair, and that was the last time I saw him. 967 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,720 But that would mean that Paul either passed me 968 00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:04,680 coming up the stairs or passed me coming down the stairs. 969 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,480 Don't remember that. 970 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,760 # Yeah! # 971 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,520 MUSIC STOPS 972 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,640 Everything's gone out, there's no electric, 973 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,800 I can't see anybody, I don't know what's going on... 974 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,320 ..and all hell broke loose. 975 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:18,680 People started to panic, right? 976 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,480 So, you want to get to the window, people are pushing you back, 977 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,200 and it's panic. 978 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,760 What I... What I remember, and what I saw, 979 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,960 was like watching an old Charlie Chaplin movie, 980 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,160 a black-and-white Charlie Chaplin movie, 981 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,760 where, you know, everything looks like it's going in slow motion, 982 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,880 but it's going really fast. 983 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,360 Like, you've got people screaming and shouting, 984 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,720 and you've got people going to try and climb out a window, 985 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:45,200 and other people pulling them back. It... 986 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,680 The whole place just went mad. 987 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,880 And I remember it getting really hot. 988 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,640 And it was coming up, heat was coming up, from underneath, 989 00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,320 and it was just getting hotter, and, do you know what? 990 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,720 I remember standing there, doing this, 991 00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:04,520 thinking, like... I'm wiping the... 992 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,400 Sweating. Wiping sweat. 993 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,640 And... 994 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,160 ..turns out, later on, that that sweat was actually my skin 995 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,680 that was peeling off of my face, like that. 996 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,360 It felt like it was... like I'd got sand all over my face. 997 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,600 And the more I wiped it, the more the skin kept coming off of my face. 998 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,960 I remember when I put my head out the window, 999 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,000 I was getting burnt, and in the confusion 1000 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,880 I was thinking, "Why am I getting burnt?" 1001 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,560 And I'll never forget, the floor felt spongy to me, it felt spongy. 1002 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,680 I was at the top of the house, and it's a three-storey house. 1003 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,680 So I was at the top, in the back, 1004 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:51,040 when I heard someone shout "Fire!" from downstairs, 1005 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,560 as they were running up the stairs. 1006 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,040 We could hear someone shouting, "Fire! Fire! Fire!" 1007 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,880 But it all happened so quickly. 1008 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:03,120 Yvonne started to run downstairs, shouting for her mum. 1009 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,680 David then ran after her, 1010 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,760 and I looked at Andrew. David went that way. 1011 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,560 It just seemed like seconds before it was just thick black smoke. 1012 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,520 You can't see anything, you can't breathe, and you can't... 1013 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,240 It's the thickest smoke. 1014 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,240 I remember 1015 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:23,640 there was about four people, just standing up on that wall, 1016 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,200 just leaning, like, in shock. 1017 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,240 They didn't know where to go, what to do. 1018 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:30,280 They was just standing there. 1019 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,600 And I remember turning like that, looking at them, 1020 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,600 looking at the window, and the chaos and the mayhem that was going on, 1021 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,440 from people trying to get out of the window. 1022 00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,840 And I just grabbed my coat back on and I just opened the door 1023 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,760 and went running through the fire and went... 1024 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,960 Tried to get upstairs. 1025 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,960 And I just remember going, feeling my way through the smoke... 1026 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:04,800 ..falling over, tripping up, scared, really, really, really scared. 1027 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,880 The heat from the smoke is so intense, 1028 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,160 I can remember feeling like I'm being pushed, you know, 1029 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,280 like we're all trying to fight to get to this one window. 1030 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,160 I'm only 11, 1031 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,720 and I remember thinking that I haven't even lived my life, 1032 00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:20,760 do youknow what I mean? 1033 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,720 I've not even lived my life, and now this is it, 1034 00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:24,040 do youknow what I mean? 1035 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,720 There was some guys trapped in... 1036 00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:30,880 I think they must have run up to the top floor, 1037 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,400 and they were having trouble getting the windows open. 1038 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,400 And I can remember these guys kicking the windows out 1039 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,240 and literally taking a run and jump, 1040 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:42,640 coming flying out the windows. 1041 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,840 And they had to jump because there were railings, 1042 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,160 and they...they obviously realised they had to... 1043 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,720 I jumped out of the second-floor window, but, erm... 1044 00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:59,840 ..I remember I crawled onto the ledge, the ledge, 1045 00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,440 and I thought to myself, you can't jump out... 1046 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,400 ..because, at the front of the house, 1047 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,240 you had spikes at the front of the...the gates, you had spikes, 1048 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,720 so if you jumped out, you could have landed on the spikes, 1049 00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:13,720 so I just jumped out and jumped straight down. 1050 00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:14,920 I only hurt my arm. 1051 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,640 Cos my arm couldn't come down. 1052 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,600 That's all I remember - my arm was up there, 1053 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,440 and that was it. I went to the hospital 1054 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,240 with my arm up there, for some reason, 1055 00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:25,200 but that was my only injury I had. 1056 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,760 So, I was like a little cat. 1057 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,000 Desmond Brown was like a cat. 1058 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,440 He got out there. So, we were lucky. 1059 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,160 But other people weren't so lucky. 1060 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:39,160 I think I was trying to, obviously, navigate my way out of this window 1061 00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,320 when, next thing you know, I'm being lifted. 1062 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,720 It's like I was coming down the drainpipe with somebody, 1063 00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:47,560 and then, halfway down, I heard someone say - 1064 00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,760 that's the last thing I can remember - 1065 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,880 someone say, "You're on your own now," 1066 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,560 and then I remember falling and hitting, on my back. 1067 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,800 Eventually, I got to the top of the stairs, 1068 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,680 I remember falling over twice, 1069 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,760 and when I got to the window, 1070 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,040 there was already a guy on the window ledge. 1071 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,480 He climbed out, and I went right behind him. 1072 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,960 I was like, "Whatever's happening, I ain't dying." 1073 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,800 I went straight behind him, 1074 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,600 and I went out the window. Stood on the window ledge, 1075 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,960 feeling for a drainpipe now, because my eyes were hurting, my... 1076 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,360 Everything's just going mad. I'm... 1077 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,440 Adrenaline's flowing, I can't think straight. 1078 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,480 I found myself a drainpipe... 1079 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,000 ..grabbed hold of it and started climbing down. 1080 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,440 I think my head just about got below the level 1081 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,360 of what would be the window ledge 1082 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,200 and the drainpipe just pulled away from the wall. 1083 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,480 I ended up falling down and going straight through the roof 1084 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,920 of an old outside toilet. 1085 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,400 CRASH 1086 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,880 I've landed on my right leg, 1087 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,480 and my right leg ended up in my chest. 1088 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:11,640 I'd smashed my hip into 100-odd pieces, broke my thigh, 1089 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,200 broke my shin, smashed my foot up. 1090 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:20,120 I see Yvonne jump out the window. She looked badly injured. 1091 00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:24,320 I was getting really worried. I thought, "Paul hasn't come out." 1092 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,680 SIRENS WAIL 1093 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,880 The fire brigade seemed to turn up in minutes. 1094 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,160 The guy jumped out. I don't know why he come over to me, 1095 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:32,960 he come running over to me 1096 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,480 and he said, "Is there anyone in there?" 1097 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,520 and I said, "Yeah, it's full of young kids." 1098 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,840 And they went straight in, and I thought, "Oh, thank God for that." 1099 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,440 So I'm then waiting there, 1100 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,120 outside the house, in the middle of the road, 1101 00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,120 and I see Paul being brought out on a ladder. 1102 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,240 They used the ladder as a stretcher. 1103 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,200 They put him straight in the back of the ambulance. 1104 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,600 They said, "Get in, go with him." 1105 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,760 When I came to, there was a person either side of me, 1106 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,360 and I remember one of them, was saying, "Help me," 1107 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,400 but I was thinking... 1108 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,360 All I kept thinking about is, "Where are my brothers? 1109 00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,280 "What's happened to David? What's happened to Andrew? Where are they?" 1110 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:17,760 No-one could tell me anything. 1111 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,680 Do you know what I mean? It was just horrible. 1112 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,920 My sister, Claudette Ruddock, before the fire started, 1113 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:27,000 she saw somebody in a white car throw something in the house. 1114 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,160 So, a lot of people believed it was definitely a racist fire, 1115 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,400 a fire attack on that party. 1116 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,280 That's what they believed, and all of us believed that. 1117 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,600 100%. Well, why wouldn't you? 1118 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,600 Preuzeto sa www.titlovi.com 134786

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