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This programme contains
some strong language,
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discriminatory language and content
some may find offensive
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and scenes which some viewers
may find disturbing.
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Children have been burnt -
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not West Indians, black British.
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That is what I want said!
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They are burning our children!
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Why haven't Parliament said
anything?!
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ARCHIVE: This is all that remains
of the three-storey house,
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where nearly 100 young
West Indians were
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celebrating at an all-night birthday
party for two young friends.
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That night, we were there at the
party, and for people outside
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looking in, I mean,
maybe they can just imagine.
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Just before six o'clock this
morning, the singing and dancing
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gave way to panic, as flames shot
through the upper floors,
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and screaming teenagers began
to leap from the windows.
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But, for what we really,
really went through, that time,
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to be even sitting here, talking
about it, you know is...is...
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..is hard.
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It was just horrific,
a girl and a boy -
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they just sort of fell,
right down to a basement.
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The fire, we literally had
seconds to get out.
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I just couldn't really believe
it had all happened,
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and it just became
a living nightmare.
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I just remember kids
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lying on stretchers,
burnt till they were pink,
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and the smell of burning flesh,
that will go to my grave.
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ARCHIVE: The party began at 11
last night,
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then at six o'clock
there was a loud bang.
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There was just smoke everywhere
and then, afterwards,
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people were telling me
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that some white man had thrown
a petrol bomb through the window.
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I saw this bloke standing
up in the pavement,
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then he made this throwing movement
with his right hand.
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At that point, in 1981,
colour mattered.
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We are very dissatisfied with
the way the government has behaved,
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Parliament has behaved.
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The problem became that
the New Cross fire became
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an us-and-them affair.
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It became a black-and-white affair.
But this whole thing
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was about youngsters being murdered.
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The fire, at 439 New Cross Road,
whether it was deliberately inside,
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deliberately outside, I have always
believed it was a deliberate act.
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As a kid, you grow and
you have fantasies,
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and one of mine
was being able to fly.
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That's my way out.
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And that's what it was. I think
I still have that kiddie dream
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of flying off into the sunset and
everything being all right one day.
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My name is Wayne Haynes.
I was born in London,
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a place called Lee Green,
which is very leafy,
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very '60s suburbia.
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Don't ask me how I ended up being a
teenager living in New Cross
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in what we called Ghetto.
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HE CHUCKLES
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That was not part of the plan
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when my mum gave birth!
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But my mother and father split up,
my mum had a nervous breakdown,
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I ended up in care for two years,
being fostered,
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with a white family who treated me
like I was one of their own.
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It's life, and you get on with it
and you learn,
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and it teaches you
that people are people.
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My name is Denise Gooding. I grew up
in Camberwell, in South East London,
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with my mum and my dad
and my three brothers.
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We lived in a flat, it was a
four-bedroom flat. It was good,
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it was nice living in a flat, cos
it's like a community,
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so you all knock on each other's
doors.
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In those days, everybody came
to our house.
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My parents, I think
they felt safer knowing
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that as long as we were there,
they would know where we were.
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It was an open house, you know,
cos if someone's kid come and I send
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them away and something happened out
there, I would blame myself.
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So, you know, I always let them in.
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Plus, my dad played dominoes.
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So him and all his friends
and family and that would come in
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on a Friday night and they would
play dominoes.
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So while they were playing the
dominoes, we'd be playing music,
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because Richard and David
and Andrew were all into music.
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My name's Richard, Richard Gooding.
To be truthful, our house was pretty
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open with my mum and dad's friends,
so there was always, like, music.
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We would just sit in the house,
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I'd play my vinyls -
what we called toasting back then.
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# Bring back the memories... #
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And David would be playing
the bass guitar,
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and my friends would be singing,
and Andrew would be banging,
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banging away at this thing,
making drums - I don't know,
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for some reason, he seemed to like
drums. I don't know.
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I was the oldest of the four of us.
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David, he's a year younger than me.
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My brother, Andrew,
he was four years younger than me.
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My sister, Denise,
well, she's always been the baby.
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And we were really close, just a
typical family. We didn't have much
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but, you know, we were really happy.
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My name is Sandra Ruddock.
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My mum and dad were
the sweetest people ever.
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Erm, my dad was a famous wrestler.
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In the Blue corner,
ladies and gentlemen,
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King of the head butts,
from West Africa, Johnny Kwango!
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He was king of the head butts -
he had a REALLY hard head.
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It was showmanship, they were there
to entertain the public.
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LAUGHTER
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We lived in Dulwich
until I was about eight,
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and then we moved to Peckham.
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And we had to be careful with
the friends that we chose.
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Me and my brother were not allowed
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to get in trouble with
the police or do anything untoward.
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My mum always used to say to us,
"Remember,
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"it's your dad's reputation
when you go out on the street."
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We used to go to work with him.
I quite enjoyed that,
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I loved going to work with my dad.
I loved it, it was nice.
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I liked sitting in the front row,
the old biddies going up
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and shouting, "Leave him alone!
Leave him alone!"
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I'm going, "Yeah, that's my dad!
Leave him alone!"
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COMMENTATOR CHUCKLES
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And it's over the top for Kwango.
Holding the arms well.
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That's got to be it.
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My mum was just a housewife, really.
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They were happily married for 40-odd
years, and I remember at school,
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a couple of guys said, "If there
was a war between blacks and whites,
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"what side of the fence
would you be on?" I was quite upset.
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# Children of the Ghetto
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# Running wild and free
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# In the concrete jungle... #
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In my time, at school...
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The Telegraph and the Daily Express.
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..black boys were not encouraged
to do anything.
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I was already being told,
"You're not going to be a pilot."
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By then, you know, you'd hear a lot
of kids at school saying, you know,
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"Go back home,
get back on your banana boat
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"and go back where you come from,"
and things like that.
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So, then, you know, I then...
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As I got of age, I started to hear
about National Front, and knew
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what they were all about.
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We believe that the only solution to
the rising tide of race trouble
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in this country is
for a complete stop
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to all further coloured
immigration and
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for total repatriation of
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the coloured immigrants
and their descendants.
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ARCHIVE: The National Front is
wooing the white vote,
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with calls for repatriation
and more police.
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So, no chanting, no singing,
no banner-waving, you're just
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pedestrians out for a stroll
to give out leaflets, all right?
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My name is George Rhoden. I grew up
in a time when racism was prominent.
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I know that they were
National Front, I've seen them
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walking in town
and they've got their leaflets,
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they're handing out their leaflets,
the same white middle-aged men...
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We believe in stopping immigration
right away.
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..sending out their messages,
driving along in the street...
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The National Front says,
stop immigration.
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..then screaming out obscenities
to you.
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I'd seen them outside the school.
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And so, anyway, one day, we were
having a laugh after school
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and things like that,
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and I could see a little bit
of a flicker of a flame,
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and I saw a small group of people
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burning a cross.
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We all looked at each other
and think, "What are they doing?!"
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I was probably, what,
I don't know, 14, 15?
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"What are they doing?"
And then you saw
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the guy with the hood,
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he was probably the only one
with a hood on.
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That was the Ku Klux Klan.
I never proved it,
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but why would he be burning a cross,
and the guy's got a hood on?
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Could it just be a little bit
of a joke? Don't know.
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But scared the shit out of me.
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Stop coloured immigration.
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My name's Mykaell Riley. I grew
up in Handsworth, in Birmingham,
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as a first-generation black
British-born individual.
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Back in the '70s, my household,
as with many households,
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had the Queen adorning the top
of the fireplace or something.
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And we would complain about society
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outside the house, and our parents
would always default
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to assuming we'd
done something wrong,
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and we were ignorant of our own
history, right?
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So we're trying to find ourselves.
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And then Bob Marley arrives
with a narrative which has given us
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an alternative sense of identity.
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# No sun will shine in my day today
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# No sun will shine
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# The high yellow moon won't come
out to play... #
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So were listening to each record,
to get a sense of who we are.
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# Darkness has covered my light... #
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And songs like Concrete Jungle
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directly spoke to the challenge of
growing up, to being black British.
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# Where is the love
to be found...? #
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And this is the Britain that I'm
growing up in, with aspirations to
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conquer the world through music.
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In the background of most, if not
all reggae, it stems from suffering.
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# Instead of concrete jungle... #
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Cos reggae is suffering, basically.
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And it's truth as well. Yeah.
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# Concrete jungle
Jungle
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# Man, you got to do your best... #
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My name is Alex Wheatle. I grew up
without any family whatsoever.
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My mother could not look after me,
so I was placed into care,
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and so I was totally detached
from my culture,
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until I went to Brixton.
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I mean,
I was growing to love reggae music,
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from even before I moved to Brixton,
and to hear it everywhere,
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it seemed to be every street corner.
I remember Soferno B,
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I remember Desmond's Hip City.
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I remember Bob Marley's track,
Concrete Jungle.
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I had very much low esteem, I had to
fight against that, almost on a
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daily basis, to reclaim my identity,
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and reggae music
helped in that process.
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My name's Andy, and
I was a friend of Paul Ruddock's.
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I first became aware of Paul
due to the music -
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he was playing his radio
quite loud.
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Capital record break!
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# Woman, take me in your arms
Rock your baby... #
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He played Rock Your Baby
by George McCrae.
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I didn't know he was black
for the first month,
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couldn't actually see him,
he couldn't see me.
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Cos we were both in traction,
I had to look up to the ceiling,
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because it's the most comfortable
place to rest my head.
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I had a severe motorcycle accident,
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and I found out that he had a
motorcycle accident. Anyway, the
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rooms were adjacent, he used to play
music, Capital Radio, at the time.
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I used to play music, Radio 1.
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It was a really hot summer, 1976.
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So we had the windows open,
the doors open,
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and we used to, like, shout in to
each other,
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"Did you like that song?"
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It was a bit of a competition,
really.
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We had two different stations
blaring out the music.
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The nurses used to come into the
room and say, "Right, stop! Stop!"
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MUSIC STOPS
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And then they would walk off, and
we'd turn the radios up again.
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I played him
Play That Funky Music, White Boy
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by Wild Cherry.
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I'm not sure that Paul actually
liked it. He went, "Mm..."
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He was quite interesting to talk to.
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He was confident, but he used words
that I'd never heard before.
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He used the word "cool",
and "Oh, that's cool".
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And I went, "Oh, what
does that mean?" You know?
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When I came back to London, and
they had moved my mum to New Cross,
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we lived on the estate,
with a bad reputation.
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Milton Court Estate.
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That's the beginning of Ghetto.
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We called ourselves
the Ghetto Posse.
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But the police created that ghetto
where, the way how you policed it
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and handled it, you've locked us
off into our own little circle.
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Back in our day, the police
used to pick you up, as a youngster,
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and they're not phoning your
parents as soon as they pick you up,
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they take you down
the police station,
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or they take you in the back
of the van, and they kick hell
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out of you, and then they just let
you back out on the street.
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# Police and thieves
in the street... #
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Get him up! Stop!
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My name is Peter Bleksley.
By the late '70s,
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at the end of my 18 months
in the cadets, I became
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the uniformed police constable,
and I'm told I'm going to Peckham.
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I learnt very quickly
that it had a
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considerable Afro-Caribbean
population.
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I've lived in Bexleyheath,
I've been trained in Hendon,
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I'm a teenager.
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Black faces, I think, frightened me.
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I... I wasn't familiar.
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# The next generation... #
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And I pretty quickly learned
that there was
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a lot of racism
within the police force.
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People were fitted up
with bags of drugs,
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people were fitted up
with offensive weapons.
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What's going on?Sit in the back
of my motor and I'll tell you.
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And so often, they were young
black people.
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When I'm walking on the streets at
night, they just come and stop me.
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They start picking on me and asking
me where I'm going, where
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do I live, and if you don't answer,
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you find yourself in the back
of the car. True.
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ARCHIVE: In Brixton, there's been
a 25% increase
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in violent crime -
things like robbery and muggings.
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The dilemma has been how to
respond to repeated calls
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for more black policemen.
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In uniform, it's really
nerve-racking.
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But those blacks who do sign up
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are often seen as having joined
the other side.
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I was interested in policing
from a really early age,
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but at 16,
I didn't know what to expect.
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And, er, when I told my parents,
they looked at each other,
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and you could see
that there was fear in their eyes.
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They knew what the police
were about, they knew that they
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were racist, they knew.
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But they never, ever said anything.
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They...
All they did was supported me.
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When I told my friends, everybody
just stood there looking at me.
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And one of them
just stepped forward,
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and he just, like, "Are you fuckin'
mad?!" He said,
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"Boy, you're going to become a
traitor." Looked me up and down.
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"You're going to
become a traitor."
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And I'm, like, a little bit shocked
at his reaction.
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Are things between you and the
police getting better or worse?
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Worse. Well, I'd say worse.
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I said to the policeman that
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you're not supposed to be parked
on a double yellow line.
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So I carried on walking up
Leyton Road
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and then he just followed me slowly
with his car.
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And then he was calling me
"black bastard" and
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we should go back to our own
country, and all this and that.
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These are the lifestyles of what
we were living back in those days.
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We used to get picked up
just for loitering.
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So, my first day on duty,
as I walked in, it just went quiet,
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and I could see everybody looking.
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Can you produce your appointments,
please?
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So the Sergeant said, "Right,
PC300," which was my number,
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"you will be with PC so-and-so."
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And all I heard,
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"You must be fucking joking."
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And you were taught to take your
radio and do your signal checks,
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like, "Charlie Victor from PC300,
can I have a signal check, please?"
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And then they're supposed to come
back, and all I got was
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a barrage of monkey noises
that came through that radio.
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ARCHIVE: The Evelyn Estate
in South East London
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is typical of the urban
battlegrounds
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in which the muggers
and their victims meet.
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Here, the unemployed youngsters'
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impulsive need for cash can
easily be gratified.
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I put my purse in my shopping bag
and I came round to the lift
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and pressed the button,
and as I did so,
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I turned round and this dark fellow
followed me in, and I put my
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hand in my bag to get my purse out,
and it wasn't there to take out.
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That old lady,
the fear she and her friends have
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is the fear of being mugged,
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and it's been associated with the
new generation of black teenagers
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in the capital.
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Mugging, it was just seen as being
exclusively black,
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as though it had been imported
into the UK
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by black people,
and the victims were white women,
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and so it became very, very emotive.
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I think, as well,
one's got to say that there is
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a certain element of racism.
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Now, I hope that we move away
from that, and as black people...
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My name is Russell Proffitt,
and during the late '70s,
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I was working in primary education,
and I also was
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a local councillor
on Lewisham Council.
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It really was very, very difficult
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to shift the public perception away
from the issue of muggings, as such.
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It was plastered all over
the local newspapers, incidents
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were happening everywhere.
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When you look at the facts,
that was not the case,
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and it was a shorthand way,
basically,
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of saying to young black people,
"You will be criminalised."
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As the majority of police are white,
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might not like black people, you
know what I mean? They're always
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saying about black youths, mugging
old women and all that, so that
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sort of brings out prejudice
against us.
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Who's making a complaint?
Who's making a complaint?
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At the time, the black community
found themselves
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the scapegoats for a lot of the
ills then taking place.
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I think a lot of it is
scapegoat politics.
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Um, I think that people seem to
think that blacks are easy targets.
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There was a sort of an
arrest spree,
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21 young people arrested
on suspicion of muggings.
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My name's Syd Shelton. I was both
an activist and a photographer.
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The Metropolitan Police,
at five o'clock in the morning,
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smashed the doors down
of 21 houses and arrested
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21 young people.
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I heard about it because I was
asked to photograph the man
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leading the campaign for the
freedom of the Lewisham 21,
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and some of the people were
little more than children.
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But it was what inspired
the National Front to set up
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what they called "the
anti-mugging march", which was
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scheduled for the
13th of August, 1977.
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They proposed to march through
New Cross and Lewisham.
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The National Front decided that
that would be their way
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of showing that they were clearing
out the neighbourhoods.
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Now is the crunch.
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It's going to be a test of stamina,
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it's going to be test of nerves.
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We have got to institute a swift
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and immediate programme
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of humane repatriation
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of all coloured immigrants,
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their descendants and their
dependents, since the passing
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of the British Nationality Act
in 1948. It's as simple as that.
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Including those born here?
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Absolutely, yes.
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Including those born here.
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The fact that they are born here
doesn't make them British.
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There is a community
that you're part of
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that sees you as alien,
that sees you as other,
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that sees you as momentary, and
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we're looking back at our parents
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and we're thinking, "Hold on a
second, we were born here,
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"we ARE British. How can you be
applying the same mentality,
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"the same mind-set to us?"
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My generation,
the first-generation UK black,
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refuses the National Front,
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the British Government and anybody
else's calls for repatriation.
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How can you send me back from
where I came from? I was born here.
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I'm going back where?
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Well, I was
anti-National Front anyway.
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We were living in a multicultural
society. I found it was different,
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it was new, but other people
were scared of that.
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I used to go and stay at Paul's
house, 439 New Cross Road, and
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he invited me up there
because there was
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going to be a National Front march
through Lewisham.
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ARCHIVE: The march is due to start
here, at Clifton Rise.
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Most residents
say they'll be staying at home,
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the odd house is already boarded up,
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and the police have advised everyone
to keep away from Clifton Rise.
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This was, like, about
two nights before the march was due.
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Paul said, "Let's go and get
a kebab." Went into the kebab shop
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and this white chap started
racially abusing him.
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So, Paul picked him up,
off his feet,
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and he just threw him
out in the street.
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This guy was then staggering up
the road,
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and then another guy
came flying out the pub,
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and he had a crash helmet on,
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motorcycle crash helmet on,
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and he's gone straight up to Paul,
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head-butted him,
and then he ran back into the pub.
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With this,
Paul ran down to his house
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and he'd come back with
a great big knife, huge knife,
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and I said, "Where you going to
go with that?"
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He said, "I'm going
in there after him."
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I said, "No, no, no, come on."
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Then I realised, you know,
the tension,
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there was this
sort of tension there.
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TRAIN HORN
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The most difficult
policing events for me
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to deal with was
the National Front demonstrations.
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You get on the coach
to get down there
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and you would have officers
from different stations
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that were all joined together,
and they call it coming on aid,
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and at that time we were wearing
long rain macs,
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so an officer went to put on
his long rain mac,
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and inside his long rain mac
was a National Front badge.
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And I looked at him
and he just looked at me,
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put the thing on and walked off.
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He didn't want to hide it.
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He just put it on and he walked off.
I went, "Wow!"
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PROTESTERS CHANT: The National Front
is a Nazi front!
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Smash the National Front!
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The problem was, the police allowed
these people to march
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through predominantly black areas...
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..knowing what it's going to cause.
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We'll be moving off
in just a minute!
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So, they ain't coming past here.
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We ain't having it.
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You had the teenagers,
they're not having it,
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because we were born here.
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Our parents came out, our big
brothers and sisters came out,
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Darcus Howe.
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Everybody came out,
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because we were not going to be
intimidated in our own homes.
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I know the picture I took of
Darcus Howe
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standing on the toilet block
on Clifton Rise.
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He gave a speech which was,
basically, "They shall not pass."
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We knew there were scores
to be settled that day,
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we knew it was going to be a big
confrontation and a fight,
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and we must stand up to this
intimidation of the community.
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So, it was a National Front march.
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CROWD CHANTS
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Screaming obscenities,
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and screaming racist language
across my bows, to the other side.
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The National Front
is a white men's front!
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Join the National Front!
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I'm now protecting
the National Front people
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from being attacked by my own!
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CROWD SHOUTS
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GLASS SHATTERS
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CHANTING: Scum! Scum! Scum!
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You know, there's pushing and
shoving, and pushing and shoving.
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"Why are you protecting them?
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"Why are you protecting them?
You Judas! You traitor!"
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I was, like... I was mixed up.
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Nazis!
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HE YELLS
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All white people ain't the same,
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just like all black people
ain't the same.
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And you got a whole
load of English people...
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Bastards!
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..that don't care whether you're
black or you're white.
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00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,920
So, you had a lot of black, white
people out there fighting racists.
474
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,160
These are people who are chanting,
"If they're black, send them back."
475
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,760
These people have to be confronted
and defeated.
476
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,840
And it was very much like...
Almost like a medieval battle.
477
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,000
I remember very well,
somebody opening the windows
478
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,880
and putting two big speakers there
479
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,000
and putting Bob Marley's
Get Up, Stand Up on,
480
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,120
as loud as they could.
481
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:16,800
#Get up, stand up
482
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,080
# Stand up for your rights
483
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,760
#Get up, stand up
484
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,960
# Stand up for your rights
485
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,040
#Get up, stand up
486
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,360
# Don't give up the fight
487
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:32,600
EXPLOSION
488
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,440
# Preacher man, don't tell me
489
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,640
# Heaven is under the Earth
490
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,240
# I know you don't know
491
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,960
# What life is really worth... #
492
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,200
During the battle of Lewisham,
as everyone likes to call it now,
493
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,720
for the first time we felt empowered
to do something about these racists,
494
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,520
and people started fighting back.
495
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,880
REPORTER: The crowd, which had been
held back, was angry.
496
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,200
They broke through the police cordon
497
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,080
and then another battle between them
and the police flared up.
498
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,280
3,500 police, the
most ever seen in London,
499
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,280
have been drafted in
for today's violence.
500
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,800
#Get up, stand up
501
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,480
# Don't give up the fight... #
502
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,920
And then you started seeing
police on horses,
503
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,560
rushing down towards Peckham way.
504
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,040
# Take away everything
505
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,640
# And make everybody feel high... #
506
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,360
They deployed their
entire mounted division,
507
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,120
a quarter of the entire
Metropolitan Police.
508
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:36,760
They also used riot shields for the
first time in mainland Britain.
509
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,840
So, they came for a fight.
510
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,240
The police were attacking us.
511
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,840
#Get up, stand up
512
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,120
# Stand up for your rights... #
513
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,840
You couldn't attack us,
there were too many of us.
514
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,720
For the first time ever,
when the police started fighting,
515
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,200
we were fighting the police.
516
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,720
# We sick an' tired
of your ism-schism game
517
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,680
# Dyin' and goin' to heaven
in-a Jesus' name, Lord
518
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,400
# We know when we understand
519
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,200
# Almighty God is a living man
520
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,600
# You can fool some people sometimes
521
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,280
# But you can't fool all the people
all the time
522
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,640
# So now we see the light
523
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,000
# We gonna stand up
for our rights... #
524
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,200
At one stage a crowd surrounded
Lewisham Police Station
525
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,680
and set fire to a motorcycle
belonging to a member of the press.
526
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:29,080
'77 was the year that the racists
realised they had a fight.
527
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,120
You know, it really shows
what people think.
528
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,560
It just shows how much feeling there
is against the National Front.
529
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,520
The majority of people
are against them, yeah.
530
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,000
I just think the National Front
want someone to blame...
531
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,520
Someone to pick on.
532
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,680
..for what's happening to the
country at the moment.
533
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,200
About three or four months later,
Moonshot gets burnt down.
534
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,720
REPORTER: On December the 14th,
535
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,360
when the Moonshot project was smoked
out of the old mission hall
536
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,360
in Pagnell Street, Deptford,
many black people in the area
537
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,400
thought they smelt
racialism at work.
538
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,960
Moonshot, it was one of the places
539
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,920
where a lot of black people used
to go and congregate again,
540
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,920
and then, six, seven months
after that,
541
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,560
I remember the Albany
got burnt down.
542
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,320
REPORTER: The Albany Theatre
was gutted by fire.
543
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,240
The blaze came only a week
after the combination
544
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,480
had staged a series of plays
aimed at fostering racial harmony.
545
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,520
People from New Cross
went to Moonshot.
546
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,520
People from Deptford went to Albany.
547
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,720
I believe that was a backlash
of the Battle of Lewisham.
548
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,280
Petrol bombs were
getting thrown, all...
549
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,240
They were taking white spirit
and spraying it through letterboxes,
550
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,760
when your house is in darkness,
and drop a match through.
551
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,960
Well, that's your exit blocked -
552
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,760
we live in flats, we live in
maisonettes.
553
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,200
What you going to do?
Jump out the window?
554
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,400
That became a thing, after hours,
555
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,080
that used to happen around Deptford
and Lewisham and Peckham,
556
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,400
and places like Brixton.
557
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,120
REPORTER: Last October there was an
attempt to burn down the home
558
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,680
of Mr Jamal Singh and his family.
559
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,840
It just was quite frightening.
Racial incidents would occur,
560
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:17,520
and none of these incidents
that happened led to any arrests.
561
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,520
There was almost like a
feeling that it didn't matter.
562
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,760
I've never heard of
anybody getting arrested
563
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,480
for doing one of those firebombs.
564
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,000
Between '77 and '81,
565
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,520
I never heard of not one arrest.
566
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,400
My name is Leila Hassan,
567
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,680
and in 1981 I was a member of
the Race Today Collective,
568
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,800
based in Brixton, and we were aware
many of the police officers
569
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,200
were National Front sympathisers.
570
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,040
So, when the fascists attacked
a lot of book shops,
571
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,520
we had a big campaign
against the racist attacks
572
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,160
against radical
and black book shops
573
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,960
that was mounted by the fascists
at that time.
574
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,520
The National Front is seeking to
terrorise us out of existence,
575
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,160
but we recognise the state
has a certain responsibility
576
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,280
and we will bring it
to the attention of them,
577
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,880
because if you were to arrange
self-defence groups here,
578
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,560
you can rest assured that the
police would be attacking us
579
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,560
and not...and not the fascists.
580
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,240
In the late '70s, that tension
was increasing
581
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,440
across all the major cities
582
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,080
where you have a sizeable black
community and black youth.
583
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,360
The state, the police, the media
was telling you,
584
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,520
"You're not from here,
you don't belong here. Go home."
585
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:37,160
And so your sense of what is
possible is severely challenged.
586
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,880
I was in the band Steel Pulse,
a small band in Birmingham.
587
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:50,400
Our songs were a direct response to
the political backdrop of the day.
588
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,960
# Walking along just kicking stones
589
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,720
# Minding my own business
590
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,920
# I come face-to-face with my foe
591
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,320
# Disguised in violence
from head to toe... #
592
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,880
And so Ku Klux Klan was a direct
conversation, I think, with racism.
593
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,920
# ..let me go now
594
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,000
# To let me go
was not dem intention... #
595
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,400
We thought that these lynchings
were happening by the police,
596
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,400
and by racist thugs.
597
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,600
# ..the Ku Klux Klan... #
598
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,680
Myself and Alphonso,
the other vocalist on stage,
599
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,920
we wore the hoods,
600
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,520
and I thought, "We want to leave you
in no doubt of this message,"
601
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,480
and up until that point,
602
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,080
our audience, our biggest
audience, was punks.
603
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,560
So, we were wearing
Ku Klux Klan hoods
604
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,320
on stage to a punk audience
605
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,080
who, I think, in the first few times
we donned the hoods,
606
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,280
the audience just went silent,
607
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,320
and outside our gigs
it's the National Front
608
00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:00,560
selling their papers and saying,
"Er, it's not about you, mate."
609
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,120
# Hello, Maggie
610
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,480
# Well, hello, Maggie
611
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,840
# Now you're really on the road
612
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,440
# To Number...
ALL: ..10. #
613
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,160
Terrific! You can do it on your own!
614
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,120
Britain's at a turning point,
and I believe that more trade...
615
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,160
APPLAUSE
616
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,160
Yes, do clap.
617
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,920
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
618
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,800
Do you see the Tory accusation that
Labour has ran Britain down
619
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,480
as a winning strategy?
620
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,240
I think what will decide
the electorate's choice
621
00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:35,520
will be, under which party do you
think things will get least bad?
622
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:36,880
There.
623
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,320
What L1 would buy in groceries
under the Tory government
624
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,920
in my right BLUE hand.
625
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,520
From now on, both major parties
626
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,840
will field their leaders
more or less daily.
627
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,720
I'd like to talk about some
of the issues.
628
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:53,080
I'd like to start on immigration.
629
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,800
We must hold out the prospect
of a clear end to immigration.
630
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,000
With the backdrop
of national politicians
631
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,080
attempting to exploit
the differences
632
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,800
between the communities...
633
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,640
People are really rather afraid
634
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,920
that this country
might be rather swamped
635
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,800
by people with a different culture.
636
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,480
..with Margaret Thatcher.
637
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,040
Thatcher talked about swamping
the culture of the Brits.
638
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,080
But if there is any fear
that it might be swamped,
639
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,600
people are going to react and be
rather hostile to those coming in.
640
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,800
I saw Margaret Thatcher,
with her statements
641
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,800
about alien cultures swamping
this country,
642
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,600
and, personally, I hated her.
"What is she talking about?"
643
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,600
In my view, that's one thing
644
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,640
that's driving some people
to the National Front.
645
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,920
They don't agree with the
objectives of the National Front,
646
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,000
but they say that at least they're
talking about some of the problems.
647
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,920
We produced a special issue
of Race Today.
648
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,920
We understood that
if a British politician
649
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,600
could get up and say that,
then, really, our lives
650
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,720
were going to be made
much, much more difficult.
651
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:01,640
REPORTER: The troubles began early,
as many of Southall's 30,000 Asians
652
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,880
blocked off every
road to the town hall.
653
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,880
National Front bastards!
654
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,560
The National Front was smuggled into
the town hall through a back street.
655
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,760
Go back home!
656
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,960
Police arrested 300 people,
657
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,440
and 40 people received
hospital treatment.
658
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,600
Blair Peach, a London teacher
659
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,560
and father of two children, was hit
so hard on the head that he died.
660
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,520
REPORTER: Opposite the police
station,
661
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,920
a small group gathered to
protest at the circumstances
662
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,160
of Blair Peach's death.
663
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,960
When I first heard about it,
I thought Blair Peach was black!
664
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,760
Because everyone was
so animated about that.
665
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,320
The general discussion was,
666
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,960
"Oh, my God, they're killing us
on the street now!"
667
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,080
The Southall riots happened while
Mrs Thatcher was out of London,
668
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,240
but at her first stop today,
in Huddersfield,
669
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:45,440
she immediately talked about
what she called
670
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,880
last night's tragic events.
671
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,320
We totally condemn the racial
policies of the National Front,
672
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,320
and we have no sympathy whatsoever
with any extremist group.
673
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,080
But you will, then, have a tough new
immigration policy,
674
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,800
should you come to power.
675
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,440
I have described what it is.
676
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,360
How you describe what I say
is a matter for you.
677
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,760
Hearing what Thatcher was saying,
678
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,920
it felt, because I was born here,
that I'm not wanted...
679
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:18,040
Here comes the Prime Ministerial
Rover, bearing, now, Mrs Thatcher.
680
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,680
..and this particular government
doesn't want us,
681
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,280
and it felt like they wanted
to purge us from the streets.
682
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,480
Even though we were born here,
683
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,120
even though we were
as British as anybody.
684
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,400
Paul's family home
was 439 New Cross Road.
685
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,480
It's a three-storey Georgian
terrace house with a basement,
686
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,120
on a main road.
687
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:45,520
Paul worked, in the evenings,
in a pub in Peckham,
688
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,440
which my brother worked in,
and he introduced me to Paul.
689
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,760
We just hit it off straight-away,
from then on.
690
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,440
He was fun, free, outgoing.
691
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,680
Everybody that met him said
he's such a lovely guy,
692
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,280
he's easy to get on with.
693
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,800
I didn't really know
much about Paul meeting Sandra,
694
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,960
but he did tell me he'd met this
girl and her name was Sandra,
695
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,800
and he said,
"I'm going to marry her."
696
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,960
He asked me to meet him in the pub
one evening after work.
697
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,560
Sitting at the bar,
698
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,160
he said, "I've got something really
personal to ask you.
699
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,040
"Will you marry me?"
700
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,000
I looked at him, I went,
"You're joking!"
701
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,040
I went, "Yeah, OK."
I didn't think he was serious!
702
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,240
REPORTER: Lady Diana
was saying nothing
703
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,320
about her weekend
with Prince Charles
704
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,360
to the assembled press corps.
705
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,000
Lady Diana's nickname at school
was "Shy Di".
706
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,080
Is she shy?
707
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,800
I believe she is slightly shy.
708
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,400
So few people seem to know
anything about her.
709
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,160
I'm not going to say anything.
710
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,400
Oh, sorry! Prince Charles
did give us a hint himself.
711
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,600
He said we wouldn't have to
wait too long.
712
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,360
Oh, careful!
713
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,240
These are my wedding photos
of mine and Paul.
714
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:57,920
We got married
the 19th of July 1980.
715
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,320
That's a nice photo.
I like that one of me and him.
716
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,680
It was a lovely day.
717
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,920
He was blowing in my face
in this photo.
718
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,680
SHE CHUCKLES
719
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,200
Lady Diana is a good choice,
and her father,
720
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,320
her uncle, Lord Fermoy, and others,
have even vouched for her virginity.
721
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,440
She fits the bill in a number
of ways, yes.
722
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,080
Obviously, she is going to be
bearing kings of England.
723
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,000
Sandra was expecting.
724
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,680
She already had a daughter,
called Vivien.
725
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,400
That's my Vivien, and Paul.
726
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,240
And he was quite
excited about having a baby
727
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:36,400
and taking the responsibility.
728
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,520
After he had his motorbike accident,
729
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,960
he was told that he might not ever
be able to father children,
730
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,120
so when I found out
I was pregnant with Janine,
731
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,640
he was absolutely over the moon.
732
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,200
He couldn't believe it.
733
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,360
That's a picture
with his sister Yvonne.
734
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,880
She had the nicest personality
you could ever dream of.
735
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,440
Yvonne had actually said to me
and Paul,
736
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,640
"I'm going to ask Mum
if I can have a birthday party.
737
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,440
"What do you think Mum will say?"
738
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,720
Paul said,
"We'll see what we can do."
739
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:11,360
Her friend Angela
was actually 18
740
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,040
the same day she was 16,
and they were friends at school,
741
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,880
so could they combine
two birthdays?
742
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,440
So, that's what they did.
743
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,080
Yvonne was my brother's girlfriend,
my brother David.
744
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,000
Yvonne used to frequent our house.
745
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,280
When she used to come round,
we used to play tunes in the house.
746
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,840
She liked lovers rock.
747
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,600
I remember David giving her some
record called At The Club.
748
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,400
That tune was kicking
at the time, Victor Romero.
749
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,000
Tune.
750
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,480
# You wanna go get in the groove
751
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,640
# At the club... #
752
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:52,960
David and Yvonne, they got together
not long before the party,
753
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,160
because I remember it was because
they were seeing each other
754
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,360
is why I was allowed to go.
755
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,000
I remember her standing
in the kitchen,
756
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,160
and she said to my mum,
could Denise come to the party,
757
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,920
could Denise and Andrew
come to the party?
758
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,480
She was friendly with
Andrew and Denise.
759
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,000
"Remember, you have
to come to my party,
760
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,400
"and if you don't come to my party,
don't talk to me any more."
761
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,520
You know? And they were talking
about the party.
762
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,880
They were talking about it
all the time.
763
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,440
I declare Christmas season open!
764
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,920
CROWD CHEERS
765
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,360
I heard about the party
at Christmas.
766
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,800
I was going to stay for Christmas
with Paul,
767
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,800
and he said, "Oh,
I'm going up to Rugby.
768
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,360
"Can you bring my mum up?"
769
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,520
So, a couple of days later
I picked his mum up
770
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,400
and drove her up to Rugby, as well.
771
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,080
Armza Ruddock. I was introduced
to her as Auntie Gee,
772
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,280
but, yeah, Armza Ruddock.
773
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,600
She was the mother of Yvonne Ruddock
and Paul Ruddock.
774
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,600
Auntie Gee's family, in Rugby,
lived three doors away from us,
775
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,440
so when she came to see her mum's
side of the family,
776
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,520
they came there,
and they must have said,
777
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,760
"Well, your dad's side of the
family, the Ruddocks,
778
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,640
"actually live three
doors up, down the road,"
779
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,320
so when they came and knocked
our door,
780
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,440
they went, "Oh, my God,"
and told us about the party.
781
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,040
"Oh, we're going to have a party
next year, do you want to come?"
782
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,480
We were getting to know each other,
783
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,800
the whole party was
getting to know each other's family,
784
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,720
because we didn't
know each other before,
785
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:11,720
we didn't even know we had that
family in London.
786
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:13,800
My sound system played at the party,
787
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,280
so we knew about the party
788
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,120
from the time that they started
to put it together.
789
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,240
I wanted to have something
to identify for myself,
790
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:24,000
so me and my friends at school,
we created the sound.
791
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,480
Steve, Gerry and myself,
we fudged this thing together.
792
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,840
Steve Collins - we used to call him
Brillo in school.
793
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,120
He had a great big afro,
and it was just wiry,
794
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,240
and Steve's dad,
a guy they used to call Sir Collins,
795
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:44,440
he had a sound system. He gave us
our first set of bass boxes.
796
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,160
Gerry Francis, again,
he was into his music.
797
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,600
So, either me and Steve,
or me and Gerry, or Gerry and Steve
798
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,960
were always together.
799
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,600
If you lived in an area,
and you was a black person,
800
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,240
you knew the black people.
801
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:01,160
Yvonne's a well-known,
well-liked person.
802
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,920
If we give her one of the best
parties of the year,
803
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,200
at the beginning of the year,
804
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,240
then everybody else
is going to want to employ us
805
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:09,640
for the rest of the year,
806
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,840
because Yvonne's party was,
"Yeah, that was the party."
807
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,360
On the day of the party,
808
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,560
I remember my brother Andrew,
809
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,920
I remember taking him
to this barber's shop
810
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,560
and, you know, he had
his afro haircut.
811
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,840
He was so pleased, you know,
812
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,960
because the hair was ready now,
you know what I mean?
813
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,600
And my sister Denise,
Denise was quite excited,
814
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,560
I remember her in a suit
she had on.
815
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,760
Mate, I was mad excited!
816
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,960
I didn't know, really, what to
expect of the party.
817
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,440
I just knew, "I'm going to party!"
818
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,800
DOORBELL RINGS
819
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,920
We got there just after
about half past eight.
820
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,160
Everybody was running around,
and people were being served drinks
821
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,520
and food was being cooked.
822
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,640
My mother-in-law made curry goat,
rice and peas, chicken.
823
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,960
My daughter Viv was in every room,
everywhere.
824
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:03,400
When we went to the party, I mean,
I dropped them off there first.
825
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,000
I think it must have been about
half nine or something.
826
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,640
I mean, it was a really nice house.
827
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,320
I mean, you could see that the house
was really well looked after.
828
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,360
The party was on the first floor.
829
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,680
The front room on the ground floor,
and the kitchen, is one big room,
830
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,040
and it's got concertina wooden
doors that used to slide open,
831
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,200
but that evening
the doors were closed.
832
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,560
The front room was special.
833
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,720
We hardly ever used the front room.
834
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,560
Where the party was,
835
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,800
was actually my
mother-in-law's bedroom.
836
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,400
So, that was all cleared out,
837
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,840
all the furniture
was down in the basement,
838
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,800
and you had to come to the kitchen
839
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,800
if you wanted a drink
or you wanted food.
840
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,880
# Let me be that someone
very special... #
841
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,440
We had the whole thing.
842
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,040
The crowd was going, the vibes
was nice, the music was right.
843
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,080
# Let me be the one... #
844
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,200
I remember thinking,
"This party's amazing,"
845
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,040
because, obviously, I'm used to...
My brothers played music,
846
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,120
so I knew all the tunes,
do you know what I mean?
847
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,640
All the lovers rock tunes.
848
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,520
# Let me be that someone
very special... #
849
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,040
My sister was dancing with this guy
all night, called Frank,
850
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,520
and they were rubbing up, scrubbing
up, as you want to call it,
851
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,360
all night long, and I'm thinking,
"What's he doing with my sister?!"
852
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,040
But it's a party.
853
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,160
# Now I've got something to say... #
854
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,160
You know what? It's funny,
music can tell the story of my life.
855
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,920
# Sha la la la la... #
856
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,880
The track for '81 is definitely
Jean Adebambo, Paradise.
857
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,520
# Sometimes I sit down
and I wonder... #
858
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,880
At the time, Jean Adebambo's song
was like one of those songs,
859
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,000
it was one of the big
lovers rock tunes.
860
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,520
One of my favourite tunes,
861
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,560
my girlfriend's favourite tune
at the time.
862
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,360
My girlfriend at the time
was Rosaline Henry.
863
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,240
I remember,
when we played that tune,
864
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,400
she took the microphone
and she was singing it,
865
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,040
like, it's the man feeling great
cos she's looking at me singing,
866
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,080
and she's got the mic in her hand,
sort of like...
867
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,640
She had a good voice.
She could sing.
868
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,680
# You make my life
such a paradise... #
869
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,800
I was in and out of that party,
870
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,160
because remember, the party
was a 16-year-old's party.
871
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,360
Right? And we were, like, 18, 19.
872
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,920
But one or two of my friends
were there,
873
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,120
and I remember
standing on the stairs,
874
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,880
I remember I was talking to
Lloyd Hall for quite some time.
875
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,360
The party was great,
it was a good party.
876
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,200
You had generations coming in
at different times,
877
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,080
so you had the younger ones,
who were there from the beginning...
878
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,480
..and then you had the older ones
who were coming in
879
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:42,960
for Angela's side of the party,
880
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,960
and they're coming in
at, like, 12 o'clock.
881
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,400
So, loads of people were there.
882
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,000
You had to squeeze past people
going up the stairs.
883
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,960
I stayed downstairs
most of the evening.
884
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,480
The older adults were there,
in the kitchen,
885
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,960
they were having their, sort of,
own little party in the kitchen.
886
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,840
Paul was just generally
keeping an eye
887
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,120
on who was coming into the house.
888
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,720
It got to about half past three,
889
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:17,560
and my Viv was really overtired,
and I took Viv home.
890
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,560
I don't know no more,
until about 8:30, when my door went.
891
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,760
Richard had come a couple of times
to pick us up,
892
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,520
but this will tell you how good
the party was, we were not ready.
893
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,680
The first time he came,
894
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,760
we were like,
"No, we're having too much fun!"
895
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,160
Second time,
"We're having too much fun!"
896
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,360
And then, when he came
the last time,
897
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,200
I couldn't find my bag.
898
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,320
Denise and Andrew
were quite close together
899
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:43,960
and doing a lot of stuff together,
900
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,920
so I didn't really feel that
there was anything wrong.
901
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,800
I remember David was there,
as well,
902
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,080
and we weren't new
to the Ruddock house.
903
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,600
You know, it was getting about
sort of five o'clock in the morning,
904
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:55,840
that sort of time,
905
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,600
so, I thought, "All right, I'll just
go and sit in the front room,"
906
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,200
and I think a group of girls
came in, about five girls.
907
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,960
I remember them, like, asking
if I had a cigarette or something.
908
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,760
Andrew was just sitting there,
I think he was a bit tired...
909
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,080
..but mainly we was just
sitting there, just talking.
910
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,040
And then they left, and I thought,
"All right, I'll get up."
911
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,480
At 5:30 in the morning,
912
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,840
I could still see people dancing.
913
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,840
It wasn't just a couple
of people in a room,
914
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,640
we still had a lot of
people in there.
915
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,840
The last track I remember
being played
916
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,880
was Kingdom Rise and Kingdom Fall...
917
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,680
# Yes! #
918
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,480
..by Wailing Souls.
919
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,280
Kingdom Rise and Kingdom Fall...
920
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,320
# Kingdom rise and kingdom fall... #
921
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,200
In the kitchen, Paul's mum, Armza,
922
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,480
out of the blue, she just said...
She said something to Leslie Morris.
923
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,600
"Go and check on... Go and check."
924
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,560
And he went out the room,
and he come back,
925
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,040
said, "Look at this!"
926
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,440
WHOOSH OF FLAMES
927
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,680
The ground floor front room
was totally ablaze.
928
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,200
People ran out into the street.
929
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,160
I remember...
I think it was Paul's mum
930
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,720
shouting up the stairs,
"Fire! Fire!"
931
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,880
The window exploded - bang!
932
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,960
And there was, like, glass flying
everywhere, you know?
933
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,600
You had to run into the road.
934
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,840
And Paul was next to me.
935
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,960
He said to me, "Where's Yvonne?
936
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,280
"Have you seen Yvonne?"
937
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,520
I said, "No, I think she's still in
there, Paul!"
938
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:40,880
With that, he said, "Stay here,"
939
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,880
and he just ran
straight into the house.
940
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:48,000
# Kingdom rise and kingdom fall... #
941
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,680
I started to smell something,
like burning,
942
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,600
but something getting blown,
an amplifier blowing or something,
943
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,200
was a regular occurrence,
944
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,040
and I remember saying
to Steve Collins,
945
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,000
like, "Smell that.
Can you smell that?"
946
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,400
And he was like, "Yeah, it smells
like something burning.
947
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,200
"Let me go and have a look
behind the case,"
948
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,840
where we keep all the amplifiers.
949
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,120
I think Gerry was probably
still in the record box,
950
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,920
searching for the next tune,
sort of thing.
951
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,320
So I said, "You know what?
I'm going to go and get a drink.
952
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,560
"You want something?"
And that was it, and I went off.
953
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,600
That's the last time
I saw everybody.
954
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,160
# ..modern famine
955
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,080
# Speaking about human rights... #
956
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,720
I've come down the first
set of stairs, turned the balcony,
957
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:30,520
and when I saw the smoke, I turned
round and ran back upstairs.
958
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,000
I remember going back into the room
and shouting, "Fire!"
959
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,760
For which, I believe,
Paul had been in the room already.
960
00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:42,440
# Kingdom rise and kingdom fall... #
961
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,480
We were in the party
and Paul came in,
962
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,040
and Paul came in,
and he shouted "Fire!"
963
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,840
And there must have been some kind
of, like, whether it was the fire
964
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,920
behind him or whatever, like a
silhouette on him,
965
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,080
and when I looked at him properly,
you could see the soot on his hair.
966
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,960
You could see stuff in his hair, and
that was the last time I saw him.
967
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,720
But that would mean that Paul
either passed me
968
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:04,680
coming up the stairs or passed me
coming down the stairs.
969
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,480
Don't remember that.
970
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,760
# Yeah! #
971
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,520
MUSIC STOPS
972
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,640
Everything's gone out,
there's no electric,
973
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,800
I can't see anybody,
I don't know what's going on...
974
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,320
..and all hell broke loose.
975
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:18,680
People started to panic, right?
976
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,480
So, you want to get to the
window, people are pushing you back,
977
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,200
and it's panic.
978
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,760
What I... What I remember,
and what I saw,
979
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,960
was like watching an old
Charlie Chaplin movie,
980
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,160
a black-and-white
Charlie Chaplin movie,
981
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,760
where, you know, everything looks
like it's going in slow motion,
982
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,880
but it's going really fast.
983
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,360
Like, you've got people
screaming and shouting,
984
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,720
and you've got people going
to try and climb out a window,
985
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:45,200
and other people
pulling them back. It...
986
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,680
The whole place just went mad.
987
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,880
And I remember it
getting really hot.
988
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,640
And it was coming up,
heat was coming up, from underneath,
989
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,320
and it was just getting hotter,
and, do you know what?
990
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,720
I remember standing there,
doing this,
991
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:04,520
thinking, like... I'm wiping the...
992
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,400
Sweating. Wiping sweat.
993
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,640
And...
994
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,160
..turns out, later on, that
that sweat was actually my skin
995
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,680
that was peeling
off of my face, like that.
996
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,360
It felt like it was...
like I'd got sand all over my face.
997
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,600
And the more I wiped it, the more
the skin kept coming off of my face.
998
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,960
I remember when I put my head
out the window,
999
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,000
I was getting burnt,
and in the confusion
1000
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,880
I was thinking,
"Why am I getting burnt?"
1001
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,560
And I'll never forget, the floor
felt spongy to me, it felt spongy.
1002
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,680
I was at the top of the house,
and it's a three-storey house.
1003
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,680
So I was at the top, in the back,
1004
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:51,040
when I heard someone shout
"Fire!" from downstairs,
1005
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,560
as they were running up the stairs.
1006
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,040
We could hear someone
shouting, "Fire! Fire! Fire!"
1007
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,880
But it all happened so quickly.
1008
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:03,120
Yvonne started to run downstairs,
shouting for her mum.
1009
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,680
David then ran after her,
1010
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,760
and I looked at Andrew.
David went that way.
1011
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,560
It just seemed like seconds before
it was just thick black smoke.
1012
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,520
You can't see anything, you can't
breathe, and you can't...
1013
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,240
It's the thickest smoke.
1014
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,240
I remember
1015
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:23,640
there was about four people,
just standing up on that wall,
1016
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,200
just leaning, like, in shock.
1017
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,240
They didn't know where to go,
what to do.
1018
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:30,280
They was just standing there.
1019
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,600
And I remember turning like that,
looking at them,
1020
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,600
looking at the window, and the chaos
and the mayhem that was going on,
1021
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,440
from people trying to get out
of the window.
1022
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,840
And I just grabbed my coat
back on and I just opened the door
1023
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,760
and went running through the fire
and went...
1024
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,960
Tried to get upstairs.
1025
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,960
And I just remember going,
feeling my way through the smoke...
1026
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:04,800
..falling over, tripping up, scared,
really, really, really scared.
1027
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,880
The heat from the smoke
is so intense,
1028
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,160
I can remember feeling like
I'm being pushed, you know,
1029
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,280
like we're all trying to fight
to get to this one window.
1030
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,160
I'm only 11,
1031
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,720
and I remember thinking that
I haven't even lived my life,
1032
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:20,760
do youknow what I mean?
1033
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,720
I've not even lived my life,
and now this is it,
1034
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:24,040
do youknow what I mean?
1035
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,720
There was some guys trapped in...
1036
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:30,880
I think they must have run
up to the top floor,
1037
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,400
and they were having trouble
getting the windows open.
1038
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,400
And I can remember these guys
kicking the windows out
1039
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,240
and literally
taking a run and jump,
1040
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:42,640
coming flying out the windows.
1041
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,840
And they had to jump
because there were railings,
1042
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,160
and they...they obviously realised
they had to...
1043
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,720
I jumped out of the second-floor
window, but, erm...
1044
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:59,840
..I remember I crawled onto
the ledge, the ledge,
1045
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,440
and I thought to myself,
you can't jump out...
1046
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,400
..because, at the front
of the house,
1047
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,240
you had spikes at the front of
the...the gates, you had spikes,
1048
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,720
so if you jumped out,
you could have landed on the spikes,
1049
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:13,720
so I just jumped out
and jumped straight down.
1050
00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:14,920
I only hurt my arm.
1051
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,640
Cos my arm couldn't come down.
1052
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,600
That's all I remember -
my arm was up there,
1053
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,440
and that was it.
I went to the hospital
1054
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,240
with my arm up there,
for some reason,
1055
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:25,200
but that was my only injury I had.
1056
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,760
So, I was like a little cat.
1057
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,000
Desmond Brown was like a cat.
1058
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,440
He got out there. So, we were lucky.
1059
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,160
But other people weren't so lucky.
1060
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:39,160
I think I was trying to, obviously,
navigate my way out of this window
1061
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,320
when, next thing you know,
I'm being lifted.
1062
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,720
It's like I was coming down the
drainpipe with somebody,
1063
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:47,560
and then, halfway down,
I heard someone say -
1064
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,760
that's the last thing
I can remember -
1065
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,880
someone say,
"You're on your own now,"
1066
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,560
and then I remember falling
and hitting, on my back.
1067
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,800
Eventually, I got to the
top of the stairs,
1068
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,680
I remember falling over twice,
1069
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,760
and when I got to the window,
1070
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,040
there was already a guy on the
window ledge.
1071
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,480
He climbed out,
and I went right behind him.
1072
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,960
I was like, "Whatever's happening,
I ain't dying."
1073
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,800
I went straight behind him,
1074
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,600
and I went out the window.
Stood on the window ledge,
1075
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,960
feeling for a drainpipe now,
because my eyes were hurting, my...
1076
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,360
Everything's just going mad. I'm...
1077
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,440
Adrenaline's flowing,
I can't think straight.
1078
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,480
I found myself a drainpipe...
1079
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,000
..grabbed hold of it
and started climbing down.
1080
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,440
I think my head
just about got below the level
1081
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,360
of what would be the window ledge
1082
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,200
and the drainpipe just pulled
away from the wall.
1083
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,480
I ended up falling down and going
straight through the roof
1084
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,920
of an old outside toilet.
1085
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,400
CRASH
1086
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,880
I've landed on my right leg,
1087
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,480
and my right leg ended
up in my chest.
1088
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:11,640
I'd smashed my hip into 100-odd
pieces, broke my thigh,
1089
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,200
broke my shin, smashed my foot up.
1090
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:20,120
I see Yvonne jump out the window.
She looked badly injured.
1091
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:24,320
I was getting really worried.
I thought, "Paul hasn't come out."
1092
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,680
SIRENS WAIL
1093
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,880
The fire brigade seemed
to turn up in minutes.
1094
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,160
The guy jumped out.
I don't know why he come over to me,
1095
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:32,960
he come running over to me
1096
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,480
and he said, "Is there anyone
in there?"
1097
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,520
and I said, "Yeah,
it's full of young kids."
1098
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,840
And they went straight in, and
I thought, "Oh, thank God for that."
1099
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,440
So I'm then waiting there,
1100
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,120
outside the house, in the middle of
the road,
1101
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,120
and I see Paul being brought
out on a ladder.
1102
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,240
They used the ladder as a stretcher.
1103
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,200
They put him straight
in the back of the ambulance.
1104
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,600
They said, "Get in, go with him."
1105
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,760
When I came to, there was
a person either side of me,
1106
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,360
and I remember one of them,
was saying, "Help me,"
1107
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,400
but I was thinking...
1108
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,360
All I kept thinking about is,
"Where are my brothers?
1109
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,280
"What's happened to David? What's
happened to Andrew? Where are they?"
1110
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:17,760
No-one could tell me anything.
1111
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,680
Do you know what I mean?
It was just horrible.
1112
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,920
My sister, Claudette Ruddock,
before the fire started,
1113
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:27,000
she saw somebody in a white car
throw something in the house.
1114
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,160
So, a lot of people believed
it was definitely a racist fire,
1115
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,400
a fire attack on that party.
1116
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,280
That's what they believed,
and all of us believed that.
1117
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,600
100%. Well, why wouldn't you?
1118
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,600
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