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Joshua Zeman:
Every town has its legends.
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Every neighborhood
has its boogeymen...
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a killer with a hook
for a hand...
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a drifter
who snatches children...
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the witch who lives
in the woods.
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Ours growing up in
Staten Island was Cropsey,
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about an escaped mental patient
who lived in these buildings
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who would snatch children
off the street.
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This urban legend
turned real
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when five neighborhood children
went missing.
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It was these disappearances
that led us to examine
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the real crimes behind
the Cropsey urban legend.
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News Reporter:
A grisly discovery
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of an arm and a leg
sticking out
from a shallow grave.
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Johua:
And what we
discovered was a connection
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to an institution
with a shocking history.
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This is what it looked like,
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but how can I tell you
about the way it smelled.
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It smelled of filth,
it smelled of disease,
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and it smelled of death.
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Joshua:
Understanding
the real story behind Cropsey
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inspired us to investigate
other urban legends
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and the true crimes
that may have influenced them,
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and what we uncovered
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was a truth more horrific
than any fiction.
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This is where
we thought that Cropsey lived,
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in these buildings here.
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It's very easy
for an urban legend
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to come out of
something like this.
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Yeah, and we didn't
think anything of it
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until kids started going missing
on Staten Island,
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and then we were like,
Cropsey is real.
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But do you think
every urban legend
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has truth behind it?
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Yes, I think you have to have
some form of like truth
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to gonna go off of.
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There's a lot of
other urban legends
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in a lot of other communities
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that have some form of truth
behind them.
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Uh-hm.
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And what's interesting
is all these communities
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have all these places.
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Rachel Mills:
Well, every kid is lured to
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or fascinated by the old house
at the end of the block.
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These are the stories
that fuel your nightmares,
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and these are the places
that fuel your nightmares.
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Joshua:
So why are you here tonight?
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You hear stories.
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You just want to see
what it's about, I guess.
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Joshua:
What do you guys
expect to find out here?
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People who died here
are supposed to be the ghosts.
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Joshua:
You believe
that there are devil worshipers
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in the woods here?
- Oh yeah, I do, I do.
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Somebody said they were doing
freaky experiments
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and crap like that.
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Joshua:
Why do we believe
these urban legends?
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Maybe we need to believe
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because the reality is too much
for some of us to bear.
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An old legend that actually
happened this time...
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- Many more cases
of contaminated treats...
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FEMALE VOICE:
I know she suffered, a lot.
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VOICE ON TAPE:
He pulled a knife
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and tied me up
with electrical tape.
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Oh, God.
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Joshua:
And so instead,
we create our own monsters.
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News Reporter 1:
The
36-year-old building contractor
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who reportedly dressed
like a clown...
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News Reporter 2:
At least three young boys
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buried under his house.
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Joshua:
And maybe that's because
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the truth is more terrifying
than we could ever imagine.
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- I got seven down
and ( indistinct ).
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Seven down!
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I've got a child victim--
I need Rescue.
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Joshua:
For Rachel and me,
this is an attempt
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to uncover the source
of our nightmares
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as we pull back the curtains
on what it is we all fear--
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because urban legends,
as scary as they may be,
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are really just warnings for
something much more dangerous--
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the reality that may have
started it all.
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The Hook
is one of the oldest
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and also one of the scariest
urban legends.
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A teenage couple
are making out in their car
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while parked
at a lover's lane.
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As the two are
about to go all the way,
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the radio interrupts them.
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( Background On Radio )
...Are killed by
an L.A. gunman...
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Joshua:
A crazed maniac
with a hook for a hand
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has escaped
from the local insane asylum.
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The frightened girl
demands to go home
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as the frustrated boy
guns the engine.
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Later, as the boyfriend
goes to open his date's door,
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he sees dangling
from the door handle,
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the maniac's bloody hook,
ripped from the socket.
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The Hook urban legend
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probably came to be
in the mid-1950s.
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One of the interesting
appearances of The Hook
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was in November 1960
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when it actually appeared
in the Dear Abby column,
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and it's something that a
lot of people would have read.
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Joshua:
But Dear Abby
wasn't warning teenagers
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about escaped madmen
with hooks for hands.
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Urban legends
are more mysterious than that
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and never quite so literal.
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Despite its name,
The Hook is a cautionary tale
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warning teenagers everywhere
about the dangers of sex.
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STEPHEN WINICK:
The Hook
urban legend captured something
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in the era that people
were interested in.
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It captured a certain amount
of danger being involved
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in teenage sexual behavior
and in teenage car culture.
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Joshua:
For the teenagers
in Texarkana, Texas,
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this wasn't just
some cautionary tale.
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In the early spring of 1946,
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a masked man
known as The Phantom
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attacked four couples,
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most of whom were parked
on lover's lanes.
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The attacks,
which killed five,
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were said to coincide with
the full moon,
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hence the nickname
The Moonlight Murders.
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And although there were
numerous suspects,
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The Phantom was never caught,
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allowing his enduring legacy
to haunt this town
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for more than six decades.
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So this is South Robeson
and this old Highway 67.
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The murder site
is somewhere around here,
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but that's what we've got to
kind of figure out.
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Joshua: It was a rainy
Sunday morning on March 24
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when a passing motorist noticed
Richard Griffin's Oldsmobile
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parked on a Lover's Lane
off Highway 67.
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Inside he found
Griffin, age 29,
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and Polly Ann Moore, 17,
lying in the backseat.
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Both had been shot
in the back of the head.
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Joshua:
Hey, guys,
how are you doing?
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Rachel:
What we're doing is
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we're investigating
The Phantom Killer.
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They had a lot of speculations
on who did it,
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but it was never--
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no one was ever
brought to justice.
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Did you hear stories
growing up?
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All I ever heard was
don't go to Spring Lake Park.
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Really?
Uh-hm.
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Why?
It's kind of
creepy out there,
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so we were always afraid
to go there.
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Joshua:
But did you still go?
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No.
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Joshua:
We're having a little trouble
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finding out where the area is
because everything's changed.
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Well, I can take you
out there to the road
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and point
to almost the spot.
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Right about there.
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Uh-huh.
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Joshua:
On that side?
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On that side.
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Joshua:
Like the couple
in the urban legend,
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Griffin and Moore
had been attacked
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while parked on Lover's Lane,
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highlighting the warning
behind this campfire tale,
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but what the residents
in Texarkana didn't know--
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because it wasn't reported
in the papers--
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were the horrific details
behind this real-life crime.
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They had found evidence
of blood and a blanket...
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Uh-hm.
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And they believe
that she was raped
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out in front of the car
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and then put back
in the car.
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JAMES PRESLEY:
The first double murder
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didn't cause
a lot of excitement.
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All kinds of crimes
were going on in Texarkana,
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but they didn't recognize
until sometime later
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that this is a different
kind of crime.
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The term "serial killer"
wasn't in vogue then...
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And no one recognized
this as a serial killing.
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The main suspect
was Youell Swinney
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who was an ex-convict.
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Joshua:
Youell Swinney
and his newlywed bride,
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a former prostitute
named Peggy,
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had been arrested
for stealing cars.
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Under questioning,
the wife confessed
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that her husband
was The Phantom,
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but refused
to sign a statement.
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Although the case
quickly fell apart,
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the judge still sent Swinney
away for life
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as a habitual car thief.
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No evidence directly
correlating...
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JAMES:
No physical evidence.
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They had
his wife's statement,
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but they could not use that
without her permission.
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There had been a lot of
other suspects, hundreds.
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People had theories
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and all kinds of rumors
had been bouncing around,
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but it's normal in any event,
especially when there's mystery
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as there was always mystery
in this one.
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Texarkana is nothing
like other towns.
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It seems to be wallowing
in the notoriety.
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Documentary team in town
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to shoot a part
of Texarkana history.
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This week,
some Texarkana residents
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will have the chance
to appear onscreen
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in a documentary film
of The Phantom Killer.
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So what should we make
of all this?
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The conclusion is simple--
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Texarkana will never
escape its past.
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We should give up trying.
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Joshua:
It was a half moon
on February 22
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when Jimmy Hollis, age 24,
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and Mary Jeanne Larey, 19,
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were attacked
on a secluded
Lover's Lane.
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Both survived after a car
scared the assailant away.
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Around midnight,
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Mary Jeanne Larey
and Jimmy Hollis
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were making out
in the front seat of their car.
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All of a sudden,
a guy appears with a gun,
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wearing a mask over his head,
white,
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two holes cut out
for eyes and mouth.
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He tells her to run.
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He chases her down
and then starts to attack her,
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basically sexually assaults her
with the barrel of his gun.
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She said she'd much rather
have been killed like the others
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than to have been left
the way she was.
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Joshua:
While the attacks
on lover's lanes in Texarkana
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didn't specifically
involve a hook,
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The Phantom's
sickening crimes
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created an equally horrifying
metaphor.
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STEPHEN:
One of the victims
was actually sexually assaulted
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with the barrel of a gun,
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and so we have the idea
of a foreign metal object
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being used in this way
which seems to be
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psychologically
behind the idea of The Hook.
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In The Hook story,
we have the hook
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about to penetrate the car
when the boy drives away
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and the hook is then ripped
from the hand of the murderer.
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So we have the idea
of penetration
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with a foreign metal object
as already part of that story,
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and that in fact happened
in the Texarkana cases.
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Joshua:
But the sexual assault
was only part
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of The Phantom's
trademark signature.
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These two people
are the only ones
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who ever saw The Phantom.
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Both... wearing masks.
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Joshua:
Right, they both said
the guy was wearing a mask.
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So this is
the whole thing,
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where the whole white
mask thing came from.
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The Phantom's disguise
was another chilling detail
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as it also helped
to popularize
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the most widely known
retelling of the murders
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in the 1976 cult classic,
"The Town That Dreaded Sundown."
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The movie was thought to be
one of the first slasher films,
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having predated Halloween
by two years,
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and its take on The Phantom
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would influence generations
of cinematic boogeymen.
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The director,
Charles B. Pierce,
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blurred the lines
between fact and fiction
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by telling the film
in full documentary style.
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CHARLES B. PIERCE:
It was Sunday, March 3, 1946--
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the beginning of
a reign of terror
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for the people of Texarkana,
a terror so indelibly imprinted
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that today, people
still speak of it fearfully--
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Only the names
have been changed.
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CASEY ROBERTS:
Now I think
everybody in Texarkana
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knows about the story
of The Phantom Killer,
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but there's a lot of
intermingling
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of facts and legend
between the movie
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and the actual
Phantom Killer case.
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Joshua:
This is Casey Roberts,
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media manager
at Texas A&M, Texarkana.
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He's done extensive research
on the crimes
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and brought us
to one of the locations where
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"The Town That Dreaded Sundown"
was filmed.
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A lot the -- kind of landmarks
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from both the original case
of The Phantom Killer
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and the movie
The Town That Dreaded Sundown
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have gone away
over the years,
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and this particular house here
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was used in one of
the big scenes.
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Joshua:
It was Friday, May 3,
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when Virgil and Katie Starks
were attacked in
their farmhouse
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just outside of town.
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Virgil was shot
and killed in his armchair...
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( Gunshot )
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( Scream )
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while Katie,
shot in the face,
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ran out of the house.
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Everybody seems convinced
that Youell Swinney is the guy,
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but you're saying...
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Youell Swinney would have
been easy to pin it on,
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and they needed to
pin it on somebody.
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The one person that--
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I haven't been satisfied
he was cleared--
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was a young man
that committed suicide
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and left a note saying
that he was The Phantom Killer.
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It's just part of the legend--
the son of a prominent family,
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and it had the connections to,
you know,
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cover up his dirty deed.
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Joshua:
Hoping to dig up
more information,
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we went searching
through the microfiche
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of the Texarkana Gazette.
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Promising lead proves dud.
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So this is the mention
of that, Youell Swinney.
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The officer had been
trying to validate
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the story of a woman.
305
00:14:12,602 --> 00:14:14,353
The woman's statement
followed so closely
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to the known facts
of the case
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that they are almost positive
that she was telling the truth,
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00:14:18,316 --> 00:14:20,193
and at one point,
they were almost to the point
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of announcing a break
in the case.
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Subsequently, however,
the woman said
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that neither she
nor her husband
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had anything to do
with the slayings.
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It's interesting.
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So they don't call him
The Phantom at all in this,
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but we just saw, literally,
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the advertisement
in the newspaper
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for the movie that is showing,
The Phantom Speaks.
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This is the movie
that they theoretically
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pulled the name from,
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00:14:47,637 --> 00:14:49,388
and right here
at the newspaper,
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one of the guys said,
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'well, why don't we call him
something...'
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We need to call him something,
let's call him The Phantom.
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We had just witnessed
an important step
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in the creation
of any urban legend--
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the naming
of the boogeyman.
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Bill Ellis:
One of the roles
that urban legends play--
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and this is
an ancient function--
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is that they will put
a name on something
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that gives people
fears or anxieties.
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That gives the person
some feeling of control.
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So give the murderer a name--
he's The Phantom murderer.
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00:15:25,508 --> 00:15:29,470
Joshua:
The mask,
the movie, The Phantom.
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These were the crucial elements
that would help create
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Texarkana's very own
urban legend--
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a legend that would only
continue to grow
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with screenings of
"The Town That Dreaded Sundown"
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held every year in
Texarkana's Spring Lake Park.
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All of this area was part
of Spring Lake Park...
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00:15:46,779 --> 00:15:48,406
At the time
and this is where--
341
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a couple of the places
where the murders happened.
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00:15:50,575 --> 00:15:53,452
That was where
Lover's Lane was.
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00:15:53,452 --> 00:15:55,621
You basically
set up the screening
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that you have of
The Town That Dreaded Sundown
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at Spring Lake Park.
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00:16:01,252 --> 00:16:04,130
Yes, we do it every October,
and because of the history,
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00:16:04,130 --> 00:16:07,675
we like the idea of having this
out at Spring Lake Park
348
00:16:07,675 --> 00:16:10,428
since that's where some of
the murders take place at.
349
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We started getting
some phone calls saying
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that they didn't think
it was right,
351
00:16:13,514 --> 00:16:15,766
that there were
still families in town...
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00:16:15,766 --> 00:16:19,562
That, you know,
that was affected by this.
353
00:16:19,562 --> 00:16:20,313
The police concern was
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that it was going to
cause somebody else
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00:16:23,232 --> 00:16:26,402
to have the idea
to start doing it again.
356
00:16:26,402 --> 00:16:28,696
A film crew was in town
last month...
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00:16:28,696 --> 00:16:30,781
And there's a new movie
being made?
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00:16:30,781 --> 00:16:33,451
What we've heard is
that it was actually a remake
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of
'The Town
That Dreaded Sundowns .'
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00:16:34,827 --> 00:16:40,208
It's you know, just probably
a more modern version of it.
361
00:16:40,208 --> 00:16:43,336
I've heard that the storyline
of the movie
362
00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:47,131
is about a copycat
that comes out
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00:16:47,131 --> 00:16:51,761
from the screenings
that happened at Spring Lake.
364
00:16:53,262 --> 00:16:55,306
Are you serious?
365
00:16:55,306 --> 00:16:57,808
That's the first
I've heard about that.
366
00:16:57,808 --> 00:17:01,938
Well, you know,
imitation of life, I guess.
367
00:17:01,938 --> 00:17:04,273
Joshua:
While it may seem
shocking to some,
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00:17:04,273 --> 00:17:06,317
the screenings
at Spring Lake Park
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were especially appropriate
because it was here on April 14
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00:17:09,612 --> 00:17:13,658
where The Phantom
turned larger than life.
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00:17:13,658 --> 00:17:14,951
Four hundred yards
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00:17:14,951 --> 00:17:16,244
from the entrance
to Spring Lake Park--
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00:17:16,244 --> 00:17:17,245
where the sign is--
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00:17:17,245 --> 00:17:20,581
they found
Paul Martin's car empty.
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00:17:20,581 --> 00:17:22,083
In yet another attack,
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00:17:22,083 --> 00:17:24,168
not only had The Phantom
murdered two teenagers
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00:17:24,168 --> 00:17:25,753
in the center of town,
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00:17:25,753 --> 00:17:27,672
but their deaths
would incite a panic
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00:17:27,672 --> 00:17:31,676
that would grip Texarkana
and never let go.
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00:17:31,676 --> 00:17:33,636
Betty Jo Booker, age 15,
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was a saxophonist
for a high school band
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called The Rhythmaires
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that played weekend shows
at the local VFW.
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00:17:40,768 --> 00:17:43,521
At 1:30 a.m.
that Saturday night,
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00:17:43,521 --> 00:17:47,275
she left with a
childhood friend
named Paul Martin, age 16,
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00:17:47,275 --> 00:17:49,944
who was supposed to drop
her off at a slumber party.
387
00:17:52,405 --> 00:17:55,491
Rachel:
Paul's body was found
lying on its left side.
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00:17:55,491 --> 00:17:56,951
Blood was found
further down
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on the other side of the road
by a fence.
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00:18:04,584 --> 00:18:08,379
Right over here,
Paul Martin's body was found.
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00:18:08,379 --> 00:18:09,630
He had been shot twice,
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00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:13,843
and then he crawled
across the street, over to here,
393
00:18:13,843 --> 00:18:16,846
and then whoever did it
shot him again twice.
394
00:18:16,846 --> 00:18:18,639
They said
he put up a struggle.
395
00:18:18,639 --> 00:18:20,516
He had a bullet
through his hand...
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00:18:20,516 --> 00:18:21,517
Right.
397
00:18:21,517 --> 00:18:22,560
...Raised his hand,
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00:18:23,853 --> 00:18:26,564
probably begged
not to be killed, and then...
399
00:18:26,564 --> 00:18:28,816
They found him
at 6:30 in the morning.
400
00:18:28,816 --> 00:18:32,278
Betty Jo Booker
was nowhere around.
401
00:18:32,278 --> 00:18:33,321
Joshua:
Although supposedly
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00:18:33,321 --> 00:18:34,530
only the names had been changed
403
00:18:34,530 --> 00:18:36,032
in
The Town
That Dreaded Sundown,
404
00:18:36,032 --> 00:18:37,867
one of the most egregious
fictionalizations
405
00:18:37,867 --> 00:18:40,411
had Betty Jo Booker
playing the trombone
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00:18:40,411 --> 00:18:42,246
instead of the saxophone,
407
00:18:42,246 --> 00:18:45,458
the reason being to show
a more terrifying demise.
408
00:18:45,458 --> 00:18:47,168
The scene was so memorable,
409
00:18:47,168 --> 00:18:50,338
some people in town actually
think that's how she died.
410
00:18:53,633 --> 00:18:56,344
( Grunts and Groans )
411
00:19:01,432 --> 00:19:03,225
The actual site
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00:19:03,225 --> 00:19:05,102
of where Betty Jo Booker's
body was found,
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00:19:05,102 --> 00:19:07,480
along the edge
of a forgotten road,
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00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,315
had eluded many.
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00:19:09,315 --> 00:19:10,608
Lost in time
when a section of the park
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00:19:10,608 --> 00:19:12,526
was turned into housing,
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00:19:12,526 --> 00:19:15,780
this was one mystery
we were determined to solve.
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00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:17,865
Rachel:
She was found two miles away
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00:19:17,865 --> 00:19:20,284
from Martin's body.
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00:19:20,284 --> 00:19:22,745
Joshua:
The road's closed.
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00:19:22,745 --> 00:19:26,457
Here's where we think
this road continues on.
422
00:19:26,457 --> 00:19:28,376
See that line
between those two trees?
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00:19:28,376 --> 00:19:29,919
Totally.
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00:19:29,919 --> 00:19:33,422
That's the road
that's been overgrown.
425
00:19:33,422 --> 00:19:34,548
( Whispers )
Keep that flashlight down.
426
00:19:34,548 --> 00:19:35,591
Just turn it down.
427
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,472
Look at that.
428
00:19:41,472 --> 00:19:42,807
This looked exactly like
the older road.
429
00:19:42,807 --> 00:19:44,642
It is the old road basically
430
00:19:44,642 --> 00:19:46,852
that we just went through
somebody's backyard to get to.
431
00:19:53,484 --> 00:19:54,777
( Shrieks )
432
00:19:54,777 --> 00:19:55,903
Rachel:
What is it?
433
00:19:55,903 --> 00:19:57,113
Joshua:
It's a huge spider web...
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00:19:58,698 --> 00:20:03,160
It's halfway between
the two ends.
435
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,914
This is Betty Jo Booker,
15 years old.
436
00:20:06,914 --> 00:20:09,083
Rachel:
Shot twice,
once to the left rib
437
00:20:09,083 --> 00:20:11,711
and once in the face,
to the left cheek.
438
00:20:11,711 --> 00:20:13,379
Joshua:
Well, she's fully
clothed....
439
00:20:13,379 --> 00:20:15,506
Rachel:
Fully clothed, yeah.
440
00:20:15,506 --> 00:20:17,716
Joshua:
Her overcoat
has been buttoned up,
441
00:20:17,716 --> 00:20:19,844
and her hand
was put in her pocket.
442
00:20:19,844 --> 00:20:25,683
Rachel:
Strange.
443
00:20:25,683 --> 00:20:26,976
See that picture
for a second?
444
00:20:35,901 --> 00:20:36,777
Joshua:
Doesn't it look like it?
445
00:20:36,777 --> 00:20:38,863
It must.
446
00:20:38,863 --> 00:20:40,865
Joshua:
Like if you're
looking at it like that,
447
00:20:40,865 --> 00:20:42,158
add 60 years.
448
00:20:46,036 --> 00:20:47,246
Joshua: It could be.
449
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:50,708
I feel bad, though.
450
00:20:50,708 --> 00:20:54,420
You know, we're never going to
really know who killed her.
451
00:21:03,679 --> 00:21:05,890
Joshua:
What happened to
Paul Martin and Betty Jo Booker
452
00:21:05,890 --> 00:21:07,975
out on these roads
over 60 years ago
453
00:21:07,975 --> 00:21:09,852
was horrific enough.
454
00:21:09,852 --> 00:21:11,812
Their deaths
didn't need to be rewritten
455
00:21:11,812 --> 00:21:14,690
for more blood or gore.
456
00:21:14,690 --> 00:21:18,027
Coming out here, you realize
that real life is just as scary
457
00:21:18,027 --> 00:21:22,072
as any horror film--
and sometimes even more.
458
00:21:28,329 --> 00:21:31,081
This is Marc Bledsoe,
a former probation officer
459
00:21:31,081 --> 00:21:32,666
who was obsessed
with the case
460
00:21:32,666 --> 00:21:34,168
and conducted his own
investigation.
461
00:21:34,168 --> 00:21:37,213
I developed a passion,
I guess in the '90s.
462
00:21:37,213 --> 00:21:40,841
I saw the film, of course,
when I was a seventh grader,
463
00:21:40,841 --> 00:21:42,551
and I was pretty scared
464
00:21:42,551 --> 00:21:44,512
because of the way
the film ends.
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00:21:44,512 --> 00:21:45,596
It shows the boots
466
00:21:45,596 --> 00:21:47,515
and said he could still
be walking the town.
467
00:21:47,515 --> 00:21:48,474
I wanted to know
what the truth was.
468
00:21:50,601 --> 00:21:52,520
Joshua:
Bledsoe was one of
the only people
469
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,981
to interview Youell Swinney
in recent years.
470
00:21:55,981 --> 00:21:57,775
Swinney,
who was out of jail
471
00:21:57,775 --> 00:21:59,527
and living in
a Texas nursing home,
472
00:21:59,527 --> 00:22:01,779
had suffered a stroke
the year before,
473
00:22:01,779 --> 00:22:03,572
making his speech
difficult to decipher.
474
00:22:11,664 --> 00:22:13,207
Fifty -- sixty years?
475
00:22:15,292 --> 00:22:18,671
But she said you and her
were together
476
00:22:18,671 --> 00:22:20,548
at Spring Lake Park.
477
00:22:20,548 --> 00:22:22,800
Hear that?
478
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,802
They drove out there together
at Spring Lake.
What did he say?
479
00:22:31,976 --> 00:22:33,644
Rachel:
No, I wasn't.
480
00:22:33,644 --> 00:22:34,895
MARK:
Who do you think
was the main...
481
00:22:34,895 --> 00:22:36,689
I don't know.
482
00:22:39,858 --> 00:22:41,026
You wish they'd catch him.
483
00:22:41,026 --> 00:22:42,486
Rachel:
Hm, interesting.
484
00:22:55,416 --> 00:22:57,668
Hi. I just wanted
to check one thing.
485
00:22:57,668 --> 00:22:59,545
They told me
you all were videotaping?
486
00:22:59,545 --> 00:23:01,630
Have you all signed
the thing?
487
00:23:01,630 --> 00:23:02,673
Rachel:
Ugh!
488
00:23:02,673 --> 00:23:04,633
( Background Talk )
489
00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:05,926
I feel like
there was more there.
490
00:23:05,926 --> 00:23:07,052
( Groans )
491
00:23:07,052 --> 00:23:10,514
( Background Talk )
492
00:23:10,514 --> 00:23:12,099
Joshua:
Despite being so close,
493
00:23:12,099 --> 00:23:13,851
we still didn't have
an answer as to who
494
00:23:13,851 --> 00:23:17,813
The Phantom really was--
and we probably never will.
495
00:23:17,813 --> 00:23:19,690
TV NARRATOR:
What happened
to The Phantom Killer
496
00:23:19,690 --> 00:23:21,984
no one really knows.
497
00:23:21,984 --> 00:23:24,945
Some believe he was convicted
of another crime,
498
00:23:24,945 --> 00:23:29,241
and today he is still serving
his term in a Kansas prison.
499
00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:30,993
Joshua:
It's these lack of answers
500
00:23:30,993 --> 00:23:32,995
that allows a legend to endure
501
00:23:32,995 --> 00:23:35,748
for the teenagers
in Texarkana.
502
00:23:35,748 --> 00:23:36,832
So, what do you think
the next chapter is
503
00:23:36,832 --> 00:23:38,083
in that legend?
504
00:23:38,083 --> 00:23:40,544
Probably more ghost stories,
505
00:23:40,544 --> 00:23:45,841
maybe more kids
trying to scare other kids.
506
00:23:45,841 --> 00:23:48,218
Do you think
it will ever end?
507
00:23:48,218 --> 00:23:50,220
I think eventually
it will fade out,
508
00:23:50,220 --> 00:23:52,723
but I wouldn't be able to say
for how long.
509
00:23:52,723 --> 00:23:55,559
I mean, legends
last for a long time.
510
00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:56,935
Joshua:
So this is the tree where,
511
00:23:56,935 --> 00:23:58,687
because of the movies,
some people think
512
00:23:58,687 --> 00:24:02,608
Betty Jo Booker was actually
killed with the trombone.
513
00:24:02,608 --> 00:24:05,277
I think why this is so
kind of important
514
00:24:05,277 --> 00:24:09,823
is because so many people
believed the fiction,
515
00:24:09,823 --> 00:24:10,991
and the fiction
became reality,
516
00:24:10,991 --> 00:24:12,201
and in this town--
517
00:24:12,201 --> 00:24:14,078
I really think
what's interesting is--
518
00:24:14,078 --> 00:24:15,788
they can't separate the two.
519
00:24:15,788 --> 00:24:17,706
Well, I think it's more
romantic, though,
520
00:24:17,706 --> 00:24:18,666
to believe in the myth
521
00:24:18,666 --> 00:24:21,377
than to have the facts
in front of you.
522
00:24:21,377 --> 00:24:22,878
Joshua:
You have the
whole town coming out
523
00:24:22,878 --> 00:24:26,840
and watching a fictionalized
version of that,
524
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,926
and that's just
like little kids
525
00:24:28,926 --> 00:24:32,805
telling a fictionalized version
of what really happened.
526
00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:35,099
That's what an urban legend is.
527
00:24:35,099 --> 00:24:37,810
Where does the truth end
and the fiction begin?
528
00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:40,396
At this point,
no one quite knows.
529
00:24:40,396 --> 00:24:43,774
NARRATOR:
Texarkana today still
looks pretty much the same,
530
00:24:43,774 --> 00:24:45,943
and if you should ask people
here on the streets
531
00:24:45,943 --> 00:24:49,363
what they believe happened
to The Phantom Killer,
532
00:24:49,363 --> 00:24:51,699
most would say
that he is still living here
533
00:24:53,701 --> 00:24:55,285
and is walking free.
534
00:25:14,596 --> 00:25:16,140
So right now,
we're driving into Houston.
535
00:25:16,140 --> 00:25:18,183
We're going to investigate
the urban legend
536
00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:20,227
of the Candy Man.
537
00:25:20,227 --> 00:25:21,770
Joshua:
The name Candy Man
538
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:24,022
has a lot of
urban legend references.
539
00:25:24,022 --> 00:25:27,109
Obviously, one of the most
well-known is the film Candyman
540
00:25:27,109 --> 00:25:29,236
based on the Clive Barker
short story
541
00:25:29,236 --> 00:25:32,406
about an urban legend expert
investigating the boogeyman
542
00:25:32,406 --> 00:25:37,036
who haunts the Cabrini-Green
housing projects in Chicago.
543
00:25:37,036 --> 00:25:39,872
VOICE:
With my hook for a hand,
544
00:25:39,872 --> 00:25:44,710
I'll split you from your groin
to your gullet.
545
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:46,795
( Screams and Grunts )
546
00:25:46,795 --> 00:25:48,297
Joshua:
Here the Candyman
uses a hook,
547
00:25:48,297 --> 00:25:50,382
just like the well-known
Hook urban legend
548
00:25:50,382 --> 00:25:52,801
where it was probably
appropriated from,
549
00:25:52,801 --> 00:25:55,137
but the film's villain
wasn't the first Candy Man.
550
00:25:55,137 --> 00:25:57,014
The original was, in fact,
551
00:25:57,014 --> 00:25:59,892
a very real monster behind
one of the most horrific crimes
552
00:25:59,892 --> 00:26:01,602
anyone could ever imagine.
553
00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:06,815
Rachel:
We've all heard the
same story about Halloween.
554
00:26:06,815 --> 00:26:09,318
Little Johnny had been warned
never to go trick-or-treating
555
00:26:09,318 --> 00:26:13,030
at any house he didn't know,
but he didn't listen.
556
00:26:13,030 --> 00:26:14,865
Instead, he convinces
his friends
557
00:26:14,865 --> 00:26:17,785
to go get candy
from this one weird house.
558
00:26:17,785 --> 00:26:19,203
Later that night,
559
00:26:19,203 --> 00:26:20,871
as they're all digging
through their loot,
560
00:26:20,871 --> 00:26:22,790
there's this scream.
561
00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:24,124
All the kids
are rushed to the hospital,
562
00:26:24,124 --> 00:26:26,168
but it's too late.
563
00:26:26,168 --> 00:26:29,213
Johnny's dead from eating
candy laced with poison,
564
00:26:29,213 --> 00:26:32,216
and all the other kids
had their mouths ripped open
565
00:26:32,216 --> 00:26:34,885
from swallowing
razor blades and glass.
566
00:26:34,885 --> 00:26:37,012
They never did catch
the person who did it.
567
00:26:37,012 --> 00:26:39,264
Turns out, Halloween
really comes from
568
00:26:39,264 --> 00:26:42,935
the ancient custom of druids
collecting kids for sacrifices,
569
00:26:42,935 --> 00:26:45,813
and apparently these murders
were committed by those
570
00:26:45,813 --> 00:26:47,773
who still carry on
that evil tradition.
571
00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:52,069
Joshua:
So does our modern-day
custom of trick-or-treating
572
00:26:52,069 --> 00:26:56,031
really stem from evil druids
and child sacrifices?
573
00:26:56,031 --> 00:26:58,492
It's highly unlikely,
but there's no denying
574
00:26:58,492 --> 00:27:01,161
that something very sinister
is out there
575
00:27:01,161 --> 00:27:04,665
instilling panic and inciting
fear every Halloween.
576
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,836
FEMALE NARRATOR:
There's one magical,
577
00:27:08,836 --> 00:27:11,922
haunted evening each year
when all the scary creatures
578
00:27:11,922 --> 00:27:14,341
come out to prowl through
every neighborhood.
579
00:27:14,341 --> 00:27:16,176
Most people enjoy having
trick-or-treaters
580
00:27:16,176 --> 00:27:17,886
come to their doors,
581
00:27:17,886 --> 00:27:23,100
but there are a few people who
will do things to hurt kids.
582
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:25,352
Joshua:
The first documented
case of tainted candy
583
00:27:25,352 --> 00:27:28,272
happened on Long Island in 1964
584
00:27:28,272 --> 00:27:30,315
when a housewife
named Helen Pfeil,
585
00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:32,442
upset with older kids
for trick-or-treating,
586
00:27:32,442 --> 00:27:35,237
handed out dog biscuits,
steel wool,
587
00:27:35,237 --> 00:27:37,114
and poison ant buttons.
588
00:27:37,114 --> 00:27:39,408
Although Pfeil testified
that it was just a joke,
589
00:27:39,408 --> 00:27:42,494
she was still found guilty
of endangering children.
590
00:27:42,494 --> 00:27:45,122
This fear really took root
in the 1970s
591
00:27:45,122 --> 00:27:46,999
when outlets like Newsweek
were reporting
592
00:27:46,999 --> 00:27:51,169
that several children had died
from poison or tainted candy.
593
00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:54,131
Some schools stopped
celebrating Halloween.
594
00:27:54,131 --> 00:27:56,592
They stopped using the word
"Halloween,"
595
00:27:56,592 --> 00:27:59,928
and they start talking
about having a fall festival.
596
00:27:59,928 --> 00:28:05,434
New Jersey passed a law of
specifying penalties for people
597
00:28:05,434 --> 00:28:08,395
who were caught contaminating
Halloween treats.
598
00:28:08,395 --> 00:28:13,483
In the 1980s, hospitals
began offering x-ray treats.
599
00:28:13,483 --> 00:28:15,444
ANNOUNCER: All NextCare Urgent
Care locations
600
00:28:15,444 --> 00:28:18,989
are offering free candy X-rays
through tomorrow.
601
00:28:18,989 --> 00:28:20,616
We haven't had any instances
602
00:28:20,616 --> 00:28:22,284
where we found
any tampered candy,
603
00:28:22,284 --> 00:28:23,744
but you read it in the news
604
00:28:23,744 --> 00:28:26,330
and you see all of these
crazy pictures online,
605
00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:28,040
and so, you know,
if I were a parent,
606
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,210
I would be a little bit
concerned as well.
607
00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:34,838
Joel: We don't worry about
ghosts and goblins anymore,
608
00:28:34,838 --> 00:28:36,340
but we fear this maniac,
609
00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:40,469
this anonymous person
who is so crazy
610
00:28:40,469 --> 00:28:47,309
that he presumably he, poisons
little children at random.
611
00:28:47,309 --> 00:28:48,310
( Background Talking )
612
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:50,479
I think about how much fun
Halloween is.
613
00:28:50,479 --> 00:28:53,273
I also worry a little bit
about the things
614
00:28:53,273 --> 00:28:56,068
that can spoil
the fun of Halloween.
615
00:28:56,068 --> 00:28:59,488
Those kinds of things scare me,
too, but in a different way.
616
00:29:01,531 --> 00:29:03,241
Joshua:
The one case of tainted candy
617
00:29:03,241 --> 00:29:05,994
that seemed to bring
this nightmare to life
618
00:29:05,994 --> 00:29:09,623
happened on a rainy Halloween
night in Pasadena, Texas.
619
00:29:09,623 --> 00:29:11,333
The perpetrator
of this evil crime
620
00:29:11,333 --> 00:29:15,045
is known to some
as the man who killed Halloween
621
00:29:15,045 --> 00:29:19,132
and to others as simply
the Candy Man.
622
00:29:19,132 --> 00:29:22,135
On October 31, 1974,
623
00:29:22,135 --> 00:29:25,055
after trick-or-treating
with their friends,
the Bateses,
624
00:29:25,055 --> 00:29:28,058
Ronald O'Bryan let his son
Timothy, age 8,
625
00:29:28,058 --> 00:29:30,060
and his sister Elizabeth, 5,
626
00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:32,688
each pick out a piece of candy
before bed.
627
00:29:32,688 --> 00:29:35,399
Timothy, still wearing his
Planet of the Apes costume,
628
00:29:35,399 --> 00:29:37,192
chose a giant Pixy Styx,
629
00:29:37,192 --> 00:29:38,944
one of five
that his father had gotten
630
00:29:38,944 --> 00:29:40,946
from a neighborhood house
that night.
631
00:29:40,946 --> 00:29:43,240
Ronald had divvyed up
the other Styx to his daughter,
632
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,574
one of the Bates' kids,
633
00:29:44,574 --> 00:29:47,202
and a local boy
named Whitney Parker.
634
00:29:47,202 --> 00:29:48,912
The sugar inside
had clumped together,
635
00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:51,039
so Ronald rolled the Styx
in his hands
636
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,709
before pouring the powder
down his son's throat.
637
00:29:53,709 --> 00:29:56,336
Minutes later,
Timothy was violently vomiting,
638
00:29:56,336 --> 00:29:58,255
and after being rushed
to the hospital,
639
00:29:58,255 --> 00:30:00,215
he was pronounced dead.
640
00:30:00,215 --> 00:30:02,718
The cause--
cyanide poisoning.
641
00:30:02,718 --> 00:30:06,221
I was off duty at the time
on Halloween night
642
00:30:06,221 --> 00:30:10,017
when I received a call
from one of my detectives.
643
00:30:10,017 --> 00:30:11,935
I drove to Southmore Hospital,
644
00:30:11,935 --> 00:30:14,312
and what I saw
was very, very disturbing--
645
00:30:14,312 --> 00:30:17,607
not only because there was
a child there that was dead
646
00:30:17,607 --> 00:30:21,069
that had cyanide foam
coming out of his mouth,
647
00:30:21,069 --> 00:30:25,282
but it was a small,
blond-headed young boy,
648
00:30:25,282 --> 00:30:26,366
and I looked at this child--
649
00:30:26,366 --> 00:30:30,245
and I had at the time
a small, blond-headed,
650
00:30:30,245 --> 00:30:33,540
eight-year-old son
lying in a bed in my home--
651
00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:38,378
and it absolutely
just almost destroyed you
652
00:30:38,378 --> 00:30:41,214
to see something like that.
653
00:30:41,214 --> 00:30:42,549
Joshua:
Had you ever heard
of the idea of
654
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:44,968
candy tampering
before that?
655
00:30:44,968 --> 00:30:46,219
ED:
I had heard about it--
656
00:30:46,219 --> 00:30:47,929
I had never seen it
personally,
657
00:30:47,929 --> 00:30:52,017
but you know, you're always
concerned on Halloween,
658
00:30:52,017 --> 00:30:56,188
and the next night
we had a grieving father,
659
00:30:56,188 --> 00:30:59,524
a grieving mother,
and a grieving little sister.
660
00:30:59,524 --> 00:31:02,152
I put my arm around
Mr. O'Bryan's shoulder
661
00:31:02,152 --> 00:31:06,198
and I promised him,
"I promise you we will catch
662
00:31:06,198 --> 00:31:08,825
this individual
that did this to your son."
663
00:31:10,077 --> 00:31:12,329
Joshua:
Timothy's death
was a terrible blow,
664
00:31:12,329 --> 00:31:15,499
not just for the family,
but for many in Pasadena.
665
00:31:15,499 --> 00:31:17,334
As crowds of O'Bryan's
fellow churchgoers
666
00:31:17,334 --> 00:31:19,336
flooded the cemetery,
667
00:31:19,336 --> 00:31:22,422
Timothy's father quickly
reduced the mourners to tears
668
00:31:22,422 --> 00:31:27,010
as he sang a hymn for the boy
who was now in Heaven.
669
00:31:27,010 --> 00:31:29,513
I introduced myself
to Mr. O'Bryan
670
00:31:29,513 --> 00:31:32,390
and said I'm a reporter
for the Houston Chronicle.
671
00:31:32,390 --> 00:31:35,352
Is Mrs. O'Bryan
available to talk?
672
00:31:35,352 --> 00:31:38,271
He said, you know,
she's really, as we all are,
673
00:31:38,271 --> 00:31:41,274
just torn up about this,
but if you want to talk,
674
00:31:41,274 --> 00:31:44,486
come on in,
and I'll try to talk to you.
675
00:31:44,486 --> 00:31:47,447
And he said, you know,
I held my son in my arms
676
00:31:47,447 --> 00:31:51,535
while he died, and I cried.
677
00:31:51,535 --> 00:31:54,162
I thought
that they had been victimized
678
00:31:54,162 --> 00:31:58,041
by a random crazy man,
lunatic.
679
00:31:58,041 --> 00:32:01,837
The original suspects
were people in Pasadena
680
00:32:01,837 --> 00:32:04,840
who were living inhabitants
of the homes
681
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,467
where they did
the trick-or-treat.
682
00:32:07,467 --> 00:32:09,177
Rachel:
4108, 4106,
683
00:32:11,012 --> 00:32:12,389
-102.
684
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:14,182
Joshua:
Right here.
685
00:32:14,182 --> 00:32:15,851
4102.
686
00:32:15,851 --> 00:32:18,061
So right here
is the Bates' house
687
00:32:18,061 --> 00:32:21,481
from where O'Bryan
and the Bateses
688
00:32:21,481 --> 00:32:23,567
both went trick-or-treating.
689
00:32:23,567 --> 00:32:25,110
Joshua:
After the funeral,
690
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:27,320
the police took O'Bryan around
the Bates' neighborhood,
691
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,572
but he couldn't
remember the house
692
00:32:28,572 --> 00:32:30,490
where he had gotten
the Pixy Styk.
693
00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:34,202
Finally, he ID'd a neighbor
named Courtney Melvin.
694
00:32:34,202 --> 00:32:37,622
Ten, right here
where this blue car is.
695
00:32:37,622 --> 00:32:40,083
This is
Courtney Melvin's place,
696
00:32:40,083 --> 00:32:43,211
so basically Courtney
was out on his lawn.
697
00:32:43,211 --> 00:32:45,672
O'Bryan was driving by,
fingered this guy
698
00:32:45,672 --> 00:32:48,425
as being the person
where he got the Pixy Styx.
699
00:32:48,425 --> 00:32:50,093
The only problem being
700
00:32:50,093 --> 00:32:52,220
Courtney Melvin
had an airtight alibi.
701
00:32:54,472 --> 00:32:57,184
As the killer continued
to elude police,
702
00:32:57,184 --> 00:32:58,685
the nature of his crime
703
00:32:58,685 --> 00:33:01,438
only seemed to confirm
everyone's worst fears--
704
00:33:01,438 --> 00:33:03,607
a fear that still
resonates today.
705
00:33:03,607 --> 00:33:05,609
Do you know about the crime
that happened?
706
00:33:05,609 --> 00:33:08,236
Oh, yes, you're talking about
The Candy Man.
707
00:33:08,236 --> 00:33:09,488
Joshua:
Yeah.
708
00:33:09,488 --> 00:33:11,239
Uh-hm.
That was the first step
709
00:33:11,239 --> 00:33:13,283
that I heard of people
doing that...
710
00:33:13,283 --> 00:33:15,660
And then I heard of them
putting more cyanide
711
00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:17,579
and razor blades.
712
00:33:17,579 --> 00:33:19,247
I've heard fish hooks.
713
00:33:19,247 --> 00:33:21,666
The way society is getting
right now, I mean,
714
00:33:21,666 --> 00:33:23,376
you don't ever know
what's going to happen.
715
00:33:23,376 --> 00:33:26,630
I'm like, nope, no candy until
I look, you know, through it.
716
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:27,631
Rachel:
What are you looking for?
717
00:33:27,631 --> 00:33:29,424
You know, an open wrapper,
718
00:33:29,424 --> 00:33:31,510
just seeing if anything
has a hole in it.
719
00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:32,594
You don't trust nobody.
720
00:33:32,594 --> 00:33:34,763
- Joshua:
Yeah.
- Can't.
721
00:33:34,763 --> 00:33:36,348
I actually heard
about some guy doing it
722
00:33:36,348 --> 00:33:37,390
in this neighborhood one time,
but...
723
00:33:37,390 --> 00:33:38,808
What's that story.
724
00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:41,353
I think he actually lived
over there by the ditch.
725
00:33:41,353 --> 00:33:44,522
And they do all sacrifice crap
over there during Halloween.
726
00:33:44,522 --> 00:33:46,358
Do you think there are
Satanists around?
727
00:33:46,358 --> 00:33:47,776
There probably is.
728
00:33:47,776 --> 00:33:49,361
I mean, knowing this
neighborhood--
729
00:33:49,361 --> 00:33:50,737
there are
sickos around here.
730
00:33:50,737 --> 00:33:52,197
ON T.V:
Tonight is Halloween
731
00:33:52,197 --> 00:33:54,658
and children will be out
to trick-or-treat.
732
00:33:54,658 --> 00:33:56,701
We hope that the treats
will be many
733
00:33:56,701 --> 00:33:58,495
and the tricks ingenious.
734
00:33:58,495 --> 00:34:00,330
But sometimes
people give children
735
00:34:00,330 --> 00:34:02,499
bad things
on Halloween.
736
00:34:02,499 --> 00:34:04,084
In Shreveport, Louisiana,
737
00:34:04,084 --> 00:34:06,503
an old legend that actually
happened this time.
738
00:34:06,503 --> 00:34:08,004
Halloween is on Sunday,
739
00:34:08,004 --> 00:34:09,506
and there is a spreading fear
that this year,
740
00:34:09,506 --> 00:34:11,007
the real Halloween scare
741
00:34:11,007 --> 00:34:13,927
will be many more cases
of contaminated treats.
742
00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:17,847
Joel:
The term that gets used
is "Halloween sadist."
743
00:34:17,847 --> 00:34:20,267
People assume
that the Halloween sadist
744
00:34:20,267 --> 00:34:24,271
was some crazy person who,
for some reason--
745
00:34:24,271 --> 00:34:28,483
presumably you know,
some psychological problem--
746
00:34:28,483 --> 00:34:31,820
gets pleasure or satisfaction
from hurting little kids.
747
00:34:34,698 --> 00:34:36,408
Joshua:
Many people believe
748
00:34:36,408 --> 00:34:38,868
the Halloween sadist
was behind Timothy's death,
749
00:34:38,868 --> 00:34:41,246
but the real culprit
was more horrific
750
00:34:41,246 --> 00:34:42,914
than anyone
had ever imagined.
751
00:34:46,376 --> 00:34:48,962
It's down here,
I think, on the left.
752
00:34:50,630 --> 00:34:52,757
All right, so Gray,
how do you want to do this?
753
00:34:52,757 --> 00:34:54,509
I'll just,
I'll hang back here.
754
00:34:54,509 --> 00:34:56,386
Joshua:
Okay.
So we're going to go up.
755
00:34:56,386 --> 00:34:57,512
I'm not totally into this.
756
00:34:57,512 --> 00:34:58,805
I can understand.
757
00:34:58,805 --> 00:35:00,515
I can understand
why you'd want to do this...
758
00:35:00,515 --> 00:35:01,725
Joshua:
Yeah.
759
00:35:01,725 --> 00:35:03,518
It just makes me feel
a little uncomfortable.
760
00:35:03,518 --> 00:35:04,769
Knocking on someone's house
761
00:35:04,769 --> 00:35:07,522
and telling them
what tragedy happened here.
762
00:35:07,522 --> 00:35:09,149
Joshua:
Well, you wouldn't
want to know?
763
00:35:14,612 --> 00:35:15,614
Oh, hey, how are you?
764
00:35:15,614 --> 00:35:17,407
Hi, how are you?
765
00:35:17,407 --> 00:35:19,284
Hey, sorry to bother you.
We wanted to talk to you.
766
00:35:19,284 --> 00:35:21,328
We're doing a documentary
and wanted to talk to you
767
00:35:21,328 --> 00:35:23,538
about the family
that lived here before.
768
00:35:23,538 --> 00:35:24,456
Do you know him?
769
00:35:24,456 --> 00:35:25,457
Do you know
Ronald Clark O'Bryan?
770
00:35:25,457 --> 00:35:26,416
WOMAN:
Uh-uh.
771
00:35:26,416 --> 00:35:28,168
No, you have no idea
about him?
772
00:35:31,254 --> 00:35:32,172
Nah, don't worry about it.
773
00:35:33,465 --> 00:35:34,883
Thanks very much.
774
00:35:34,883 --> 00:35:37,510
You want to know?
Do you really want to know?
775
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:38,845
Do you really want to know?
776
00:35:38,845 --> 00:35:40,638
So the guy who lived in here
777
00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:42,932
was a guy named
Ronald Clark O'Bryan.
778
00:35:42,932 --> 00:35:45,018
He gave his son
a poison Pixy Styk.
779
00:35:46,478 --> 00:35:48,104
Yeah.
He killed...
780
00:35:49,689 --> 00:35:51,107
That's right.
781
00:35:53,693 --> 00:35:55,278
NEWS READER ON T.V:
On Halloween night,
782
00:35:55,278 --> 00:35:57,947
eight-year-old Timothy O'Bryan
of Pasadena, Texas,
783
00:35:57,947 --> 00:36:00,659
died after eating a piece of
trick-or-treat candy
784
00:36:00,659 --> 00:36:02,327
that contained cyanide.
785
00:36:02,327 --> 00:36:04,954
Today Pasadena police arrested
the boy's father,
786
00:36:04,954 --> 00:36:07,499
30-year-old Ronald O'Bryan,
on murder charges.
787
00:36:07,499 --> 00:36:09,292
Police refused to
discuss the case
788
00:36:09,292 --> 00:36:11,086
other than to say
the district attorney believes
789
00:36:11,086 --> 00:36:14,047
he has sufficient evidence
to file charges.
790
00:36:16,758 --> 00:36:19,552
Joshua:
After receiving a call
from an insurance agent,
791
00:36:19,552 --> 00:36:21,930
police discovered O'Bryan
had taken out a large policy
792
00:36:21,930 --> 00:36:25,308
on his kids but not himself
nor his wife.
793
00:36:25,308 --> 00:36:26,643
Even more damning,
794
00:36:26,643 --> 00:36:29,479
he had talked to
numerous people
about death by cyanide
795
00:36:29,479 --> 00:36:31,481
and had even tried
to buy the chemical
796
00:36:31,481 --> 00:36:32,399
from local companies.
797
00:36:34,776 --> 00:36:36,861
All evidence pointed
to Timothy's father
798
00:36:36,861 --> 00:36:39,572
as the killer which,
as horrific as it sounds,
799
00:36:39,572 --> 00:36:41,533
makes some sense,
800
00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:44,577
and that's because
the Halloween sadist is a myth,
801
00:36:44,577 --> 00:36:45,829
and the notion
of candy tampering
802
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:49,916
is really an urban legend.
803
00:36:49,916 --> 00:36:52,669
The idea that this is
a big social problem is a myth.
804
00:36:52,669 --> 00:36:54,671
I can't tell you
nobody has ever contaminated
805
00:36:54,671 --> 00:36:56,089
a piece of candy,
806
00:36:57,716 --> 00:37:02,137
but I can't find any evidence
that anybody has ever been hurt,
807
00:37:02,137 --> 00:37:05,682
seriously hurt or killed,
from a contaminated treat
808
00:37:05,682 --> 00:37:07,559
picked up in the course of
trick-or-treating.
809
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:08,560
Joshua:
If there's no such thing
810
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,811
as the Halloween sadist,
811
00:37:09,811 --> 00:37:12,730
who is, in fact, doing that?
812
00:37:12,730 --> 00:37:14,524
( Chuckles )
Probably the kids.
813
00:37:14,524 --> 00:37:15,734
If you think about it,
814
00:37:15,734 --> 00:37:17,736
this is a terrific
kind of prank.
815
00:37:17,736 --> 00:37:20,071
It's easy enough
to come by a pin,
816
00:37:20,071 --> 00:37:22,574
easy enough to stick it
in the candy bar,
817
00:37:22,574 --> 00:37:24,826
and then run in and say,
look Mom,
818
00:37:24,826 --> 00:37:26,995
there's a pin in my candy bar--
819
00:37:26,995 --> 00:37:29,956
and you become the object
of the concerned attention
820
00:37:29,956 --> 00:37:32,917
of your parents
and possibly even the press
821
00:37:32,917 --> 00:37:34,753
and the police.
822
00:37:34,961 --> 00:37:38,548
Joshua:
While the fear of
tainted candy may be hysteria,
823
00:37:38,548 --> 00:37:40,717
Timothy's death was real--
824
00:37:40,717 --> 00:37:42,469
but was it really conceivable
825
00:37:42,469 --> 00:37:44,179
that a father could kill
his own child--
826
00:37:44,179 --> 00:37:49,559
and if so, what kind of monster
was Ronald Clark O'Bryan?
827
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:52,812
Look at that lying
son of a bitch.
828
00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:55,607
I thought just like Mr. O'Bryan
wanted us to think--
829
00:37:55,607 --> 00:37:57,192
that there was some maniac
out there
830
00:37:57,192 --> 00:38:01,696
randomly giving these poison
Pixy Styx to little kids.
831
00:38:01,696 --> 00:38:03,490
That's exactly what
he wanted us to think,
832
00:38:03,490 --> 00:38:04,866
and that's what we thought.
833
00:38:04,866 --> 00:38:10,705
It's hard to accept
that a human being
834
00:38:10,705 --> 00:38:12,040
was willing to do that,
835
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,753
and it's still difficult
for all of us.
836
00:38:16,753 --> 00:38:21,966
The people in this case were
forever affected by what he did
837
00:38:21,966 --> 00:38:24,928
and by that,
I mean the Bates kids--
838
00:38:24,928 --> 00:38:27,889
he was going to kill
his friends own two kids--
839
00:38:27,889 --> 00:38:30,600
and little Whitney Parker,
840
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,935
and he would have
killed his daughter
841
00:38:31,935 --> 00:38:34,604
if the ambulance and police
hadn't gotten there so fast.
842
00:38:34,604 --> 00:38:38,191
No good prosecutor wants to go
to trial at all on anything
843
00:38:38,191 --> 00:38:40,109
unless they believe
in their own heart
844
00:38:40,109 --> 00:38:43,238
that the defendant is guilty
beyond a reasonable doubt,
845
00:38:43,238 --> 00:38:45,824
and seeking the death penalty
is just an extra dimension
846
00:38:45,824 --> 00:38:49,786
of care and consideration
that should be given.
847
00:38:49,786 --> 00:38:50,662
You wanted to keep the case.
848
00:38:50,662 --> 00:38:52,247
I sure did.
Why?
849
00:38:52,247 --> 00:38:53,665
I wanted to hopefully
have a hand
850
00:38:53,665 --> 00:38:55,583
in seeing that justice
was done
851
00:38:55,583 --> 00:38:57,168
and that he would die
for what he did.
852
00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:01,464
Joshua:
It took a jury only 45 minutes
853
00:39:01,464 --> 00:39:03,216
to find O'Bryan guilty
854
00:39:03,216 --> 00:39:06,511
and another 75
to sentence him to death.
855
00:39:06,511 --> 00:39:08,221
In a fitting irony,
856
00:39:08,221 --> 00:39:14,060
he was scheduled to die on
October 31, 1976, Halloween.
857
00:39:14,060 --> 00:39:16,145
VOICE OF O'BRYAN: I have stated
from the very beginning
858
00:39:16,145 --> 00:39:19,732
that I had absolutely
nothing at all to do with this.
859
00:39:19,732 --> 00:39:21,568
I maintain that now,
860
00:39:21,568 --> 00:39:23,820
and I'll willing
to take a polygraph now,
861
00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:25,989
just like I was
from the very first time
862
00:39:25,989 --> 00:39:26,864
that they arrested me.
863
00:39:26,864 --> 00:39:28,825
Because I have no guilt,
864
00:39:28,825 --> 00:39:31,578
I'm not worried about what
happens to my physical body.
865
00:39:31,578 --> 00:39:34,622
When I die,
I know where I'm going.
866
00:39:34,622 --> 00:39:37,667
MIKE:
You're going straight
to hell, buddy.
867
00:39:37,667 --> 00:39:39,210
INTERVIEWER:
All these appeals
have been turned down
868
00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:41,004
appeal after appeal,
and everybody is saying
869
00:39:41,004 --> 00:39:43,506
you will be executed
this Saturday.
870
00:39:43,506 --> 00:39:46,009
This could be
your last news conference.
871
00:39:46,009 --> 00:39:48,052
What are your final thoughts?
872
00:39:48,052 --> 00:39:49,053
VOICE OF O'BRYAN:
As long as I have
873
00:39:49,053 --> 00:39:51,764
verifiable options open to me,
874
00:39:51,764 --> 00:39:53,308
I will pursue them.
875
00:39:53,308 --> 00:39:56,227
INTERVIEWER:
Are you ever going to change
876
00:39:56,227 --> 00:39:58,730
your proclamation of innocence
or...
877
00:39:58,730 --> 00:40:01,024
VOICE OF O'BRYAN:
No,
why should I? It's the truth.
878
00:40:01,024 --> 00:40:02,942
When you consider victims,
879
00:40:02,942 --> 00:40:06,362
the victim of this crime
actually turns out to be me.
880
00:40:08,114 --> 00:40:09,616
Joshua:
O'Bryan had been sent
881
00:40:09,616 --> 00:40:11,868
to Texas's infamous
Huntsville Prison
882
00:40:11,868 --> 00:40:13,369
which to this day,
883
00:40:13,369 --> 00:40:15,747
houses the most active
death chamber in the US,
884
00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:17,707
but this was 1982,
885
00:40:17,707 --> 00:40:19,959
and after a lengthy debate
in the Supreme Court
886
00:40:19,959 --> 00:40:21,878
and numerous
stays of execution,
887
00:40:21,878 --> 00:40:24,339
O'Bryan was to be one
of the very first inmates
888
00:40:24,339 --> 00:40:27,967
to be executed with
the reinstituted death penalty.
889
00:40:27,967 --> 00:40:29,677
Yet, despite his crime,
890
00:40:29,677 --> 00:40:32,555
O'Bryan still managed
to find his supporters.
891
00:40:32,555 --> 00:40:33,473
There were people
892
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:38,227
who were in favor
of saving Ronald Clark O'Bryan
893
00:40:38,227 --> 00:40:40,021
in spite of
the overwhelming evidence
894
00:40:40,021 --> 00:40:41,856
and the horror of the crime.
895
00:40:41,856 --> 00:40:43,107
Their position was
896
00:40:43,107 --> 00:40:46,986
we are categorically
opposed to the death penalty.
897
00:40:46,986 --> 00:40:49,238
There also were
counter-protestors
898
00:40:49,238 --> 00:40:51,741
who were in favor
of the death penalty.
899
00:40:51,741 --> 00:40:53,701
They included
a lot of students
900
00:40:53,701 --> 00:40:55,870
from the university
located here
901
00:40:55,870 --> 00:40:58,331
including
many who complained
902
00:40:58,331 --> 00:41:00,291
about what had happened
to Halloween.
903
00:41:07,966 --> 00:41:09,133
This is Ronald Clark O'Bryan.
904
00:41:09,133 --> 00:41:11,761
Mr. O'Bryan is 39 years old.
905
00:41:11,761 --> 00:41:14,013
It looks like you are
going to be executed.
906
00:41:14,013 --> 00:41:15,723
Would you agree with that?
907
00:41:15,723 --> 00:41:17,141
It's a possibility.
908
00:41:17,141 --> 00:41:18,851
I've been aware
of that possibility
909
00:41:18,851 --> 00:41:20,937
since the sentence
was handed down.
910
00:41:20,937 --> 00:41:22,814
It doesn't make it right.
911
00:41:22,814 --> 00:41:24,232
It's fair to say
912
00:41:24,232 --> 00:41:26,609
that nobody gets any joy
out of executing anybody,
913
00:41:26,609 --> 00:41:29,070
but it is also clear
that most Americans
914
00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:31,322
want to get on with this.
915
00:41:31,322 --> 00:41:33,908
They are upset
that you're alive.
916
00:41:33,908 --> 00:41:36,744
I-I can see that point, sure,
but here again,
917
00:41:36,744 --> 00:41:38,413
I don't think
that revenge is right.
918
00:41:38,413 --> 00:41:40,707
I don't think society
is entitled to revenge.
919
00:41:40,707 --> 00:41:44,168
You are accused of ruining
Halloween for everybody.
920
00:41:44,168 --> 00:41:46,170
Well,
that's a matter of opinion.
921
00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:49,132
( Chuckles )
922
00:41:49,132 --> 00:41:51,426
Joshua:
March 31, 1984,
923
00:41:51,426 --> 00:41:54,929
the day of O'Bryan's execution
had finally arrived.
924
00:41:54,929 --> 00:41:58,099
He was to be executed
just after midnight.
925
00:41:58,099 --> 00:42:00,768
As the hour approached,
the frenzy outside
926
00:42:00,768 --> 00:42:03,062
reached a fever pitch.
927
00:42:03,062 --> 00:42:05,148
News Reporter:
Demonstrators
were outside the prison
928
00:42:05,148 --> 00:42:08,025
waiting for the announcement
they wanted to hear.
929
00:42:08,025 --> 00:42:11,154
Parents of other murdered
children joined the vigil.
930
00:42:11,154 --> 00:42:13,114
You know, how could anyone do
something to their own child?
931
00:42:13,114 --> 00:42:14,115
News Reporter:
Dying together.
932
00:42:14,115 --> 00:42:15,783
What all of us would give
933
00:42:15,783 --> 00:42:17,493
to have the chance
to have ours back.
934
00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:23,166
Joshua:
Do you think Halloween
will ever be the same again?
935
00:42:23,166 --> 00:42:26,794
Oh, I don't think Halloween
has changed a great deal,
936
00:42:28,963 --> 00:42:30,840
except maybe gotten
a little safer.
937
00:42:33,217 --> 00:42:35,261
Joshua:
At exactly 12:40 a.m.
938
00:42:35,261 --> 00:42:38,139
O'Bryan was injected with
a lethal cocktail of drugs,
939
00:42:38,139 --> 00:42:39,974
twice the normal amount,
940
00:42:39,974 --> 00:42:42,852
to account for
his 250-pound weight.
941
00:42:42,852 --> 00:42:44,395
After O'Bryan's eyes
fluttered,
942
00:42:44,395 --> 00:42:46,898
his chest heaved,
and it was over.
943
00:42:49,150 --> 00:42:50,735
NEWS READER ON T.V:
Ronald O'Bryan,
944
00:42:50,735 --> 00:42:52,820
the man fellow inmates
called The Candy Man,
945
00:42:52,820 --> 00:42:55,031
was killed by lethal injection
this morning
946
00:42:55,031 --> 00:42:56,866
at a Huntsville, Texas,
prison.
947
00:42:56,866 --> 00:42:59,035
ON T.V: Ronald O'Bryan
went to his deathbed
948
00:42:59,035 --> 00:43:02,163
never admitting
that he killed his own son.
949
00:43:02,163 --> 00:43:03,289
( Background Conversation )
950
00:43:03,289 --> 00:43:04,707
SUSAN:
But in a final statement,
951
00:43:04,707 --> 00:43:06,959
the condemned man
did ask to be forgiven.
952
00:43:06,959 --> 00:43:10,004
...Also to anyone
I have offended in any way
953
00:43:10,004 --> 00:43:13,132
during my 39 years.
954
00:43:13,132 --> 00:43:15,218
I pray
and ask your forgiveness,
955
00:43:15,218 --> 00:43:18,387
just as I forgive anyone
who offended me in any way.
956
00:43:18,387 --> 00:43:20,473
SUSAN:
Ronald O'Bryan is dead.
957
00:43:20,473 --> 00:43:24,227
His ex-wife sees the execution
as the end of a nightmare,
958
00:43:24,227 --> 00:43:26,813
and a chance
for a brand new beginning.
959
00:43:28,898 --> 00:43:31,400
Joshua:
For many the idea
that we were killing the man
960
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,737
who killed Halloween
seemed justified.
961
00:43:34,737 --> 00:43:38,825
O'Bryan had to die
so we could have our fun back.
962
00:43:38,825 --> 00:43:41,160
People were celebrating it,
there's no question about it,
963
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,288
but it was
kind of a catharsis, really,
964
00:43:44,288 --> 00:43:47,083
and people welcomed the event.
965
00:43:47,083 --> 00:43:51,838
He really had not just
desecrated the family tie,
966
00:43:51,838 --> 00:43:54,382
but he had actually
in some fundamental way
967
00:43:54,382 --> 00:43:58,010
desecrated
the idea of Halloween
968
00:43:58,010 --> 00:44:04,809
by taking a scary story
and literally making it true.
969
00:44:04,809 --> 00:44:06,269
What he did is
970
00:44:06,269 --> 00:44:08,062
he used the urban legend
as a smokescreen.
971
00:44:08,062 --> 00:44:11,149
He used it as an alibi.
972
00:44:11,149 --> 00:44:12,441
I couldn't have done it
973
00:44:12,441 --> 00:44:14,569
because this is
the sort of thing
974
00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:17,405
that an anonymous
creepy killer would do,
975
00:44:17,405 --> 00:44:20,533
and we all know that
because of urban legends.
976
00:44:20,533 --> 00:44:22,118
Joshua:
In the ultimate irony,
977
00:44:22,118 --> 00:44:25,204
O'Bryan's decision to enact
the tainted candy myth
978
00:44:25,204 --> 00:44:28,207
turned fiction into reality,
979
00:44:28,207 --> 00:44:32,003
allowing The Candy Man
to continue haunting Halloween
980
00:44:32,003 --> 00:44:33,421
for generations to come.
981
00:44:35,423 --> 00:44:39,635
Look, it's right there.
982
00:44:43,014 --> 00:44:45,016
INTERVIEWER:
Mr. O'Bryan, your case
983
00:44:45,016 --> 00:44:49,979
has probably created terror
in the hearts of parents.
984
00:44:49,979 --> 00:44:52,398
In fact, I'm told
that the inmates
985
00:44:52,398 --> 00:44:55,526
occasionally refer to you
as The Candy Man, is that so?
986
00:45:02,491 --> 00:45:04,410
Joshua:
A babysitter is watching TV
987
00:45:04,410 --> 00:45:05,995
after putting the kids to bed
988
00:45:05,995 --> 00:45:08,164
when she gets a call
from a mysterious stranger.
989
00:45:08,164 --> 00:45:11,876
( Phone Rings )
990
00:45:11,876 --> 00:45:12,960
Hello.
991
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,754
Have you checked
the children?
992
00:45:14,754 --> 00:45:16,464
What?
993
00:45:16,464 --> 00:45:18,174
Joshua: Thinking it's a prank,
she hangs up.
994
00:45:18,174 --> 00:45:19,467
A few minutes later,
995
00:45:19,467 --> 00:45:20,843
the same mysterious man
calls again.
996
00:45:20,843 --> 00:45:22,136
Hello?
997
00:45:22,136 --> 00:45:24,305
Have you checked
the children?
998
00:45:24,305 --> 00:45:25,932
Joshua:
Only now the question ends
999
00:45:25,932 --> 00:45:27,516
with a devilish laugh.
1000
00:45:27,516 --> 00:45:29,560
The babysitter
reports the call.
1001
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,228
Hello, could you
get me the police.
1002
00:45:31,228 --> 00:45:34,273
I've been getting
weird phone calls.
1003
00:45:34,273 --> 00:45:36,108
Joshua:
After a few minutes,
a hurried voice calls back.
1004
00:45:36,108 --> 00:45:37,944
( Phone Rings )
1005
00:45:37,944 --> 00:45:39,403
Leave me alone!
1006
00:45:39,403 --> 00:45:40,696
SGT. SACHAR:
Jill,
this is Sergeant Sachar.
1007
00:45:40,696 --> 00:45:42,281
Listen to me.
We've traced the call.
1008
00:45:42,281 --> 00:45:44,492
The caller is in the house.
1009
00:45:44,492 --> 00:45:47,036
The calls are coming
from the house.
1010
00:45:47,036 --> 00:45:49,121
It's coming from
inside the house.
1011
00:45:49,121 --> 00:45:51,457
Joshua:
Just at that moment,
the babysitter looks over
1012
00:45:51,457 --> 00:45:54,043
as a man is coming
down the stairs.
1013
00:45:54,043 --> 00:45:56,629
( Scream )
1014
00:45:59,215 --> 00:46:02,218
Well, that really happened
to a girl in my hometown.
1015
00:46:02,218 --> 00:46:05,054
( Chuckles )
Oh, yes. I'm sure it did.
1016
00:46:05,054 --> 00:46:08,140
I'm sure most of you grew up
1017
00:46:08,140 --> 00:46:11,060
thinking that this happened
to girls in all your hometowns,
1018
00:46:11,060 --> 00:46:13,229
but it didn't.
1019
00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:17,400
Joshua:
Yes, the babysitter
and the man upstairs
1020
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,193
is a popular urban legend,
1021
00:46:19,193 --> 00:46:21,612
but is there any truth
behind it?
1022
00:46:21,612 --> 00:46:24,448
One would think so
considering all these examples,
1023
00:46:24,448 --> 00:46:26,534
but when dealing
with urban legends,
1024
00:46:26,534 --> 00:46:28,661
the truth is never
quite what it seems.
1025
00:46:34,458 --> 00:46:36,043
Rachel:
When I think babysitter,
1026
00:46:36,043 --> 00:46:37,420
I think about me babysitting
as a teenager
1027
00:46:37,420 --> 00:46:40,089
and how fearful I was.
1028
00:46:40,089 --> 00:46:42,675
You know,
being in a strange house,
1029
00:46:42,675 --> 00:46:46,137
hearing strange sounds,
not being familiar,
1030
00:46:46,137 --> 00:46:47,388
but what was interesting
1031
00:46:47,388 --> 00:46:49,598
is that I started researching
babysitters,
1032
00:46:49,598 --> 00:46:51,559
thinking that I wouldn't
have a hard time
1033
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:53,227
finding a case
of a babysitter
1034
00:46:53,227 --> 00:46:56,731
by following some kind of
death or kidnapping,
1035
00:46:56,731 --> 00:47:00,276
the children upstairs
being killed or whatever.
1036
00:47:00,276 --> 00:47:03,070
It's very difficult to find
any true crimes
1037
00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:04,447
to connect
this urban legend line.
1038
00:47:04,447 --> 00:47:06,198
STEPHEN WINICK:
One thing that's interesting
1039
00:47:06,198 --> 00:47:09,326
about babysitting is that it
doesn't increase your danger
1040
00:47:09,326 --> 00:47:11,162
of being attacked at all.
1041
00:47:11,162 --> 00:47:13,581
It would be
a completely random event
1042
00:47:13,581 --> 00:47:18,044
for a babysitter to be attacked
during a house burglary,
1043
00:47:18,044 --> 00:47:21,464
but it induces anxiety
because suddenly
1044
00:47:21,464 --> 00:47:24,008
they're responsible for
these other people's kids,
1045
00:47:24,008 --> 00:47:25,634
and it has nothing to do
with your potential
1046
00:47:25,634 --> 00:47:27,178
for becoming a crime victim--
1047
00:47:27,178 --> 00:47:29,722
but it may be getting it
expressed in stories
1048
00:47:29,722 --> 00:47:32,099
in which the babysitter
becomes the crime victim.
1049
00:47:32,099 --> 00:47:33,726
Joshua:
You would think
with the amount of babysitters
1050
00:47:33,726 --> 00:47:35,603
getting killed
in popular culture now,
1051
00:47:35,603 --> 00:47:38,147
like, we would have just like
gotten a case immediately.
1052
00:47:38,147 --> 00:47:39,482
Oh, it took me
to going back to the '50s
1053
00:47:39,482 --> 00:47:41,609
to actually find one.
1054
00:47:41,609 --> 00:47:44,195
We found this case
of Janett Christman
1055
00:47:44,195 --> 00:47:47,198
here in Columbia, Missouri,
which is why we're here.
1056
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:58,584
My name is Carol Haley Holt,
1057
00:47:58,584 --> 00:48:03,255
and I was a very good friend
of Janett Christman
1058
00:48:03,255 --> 00:48:07,802
from first grade
through the time of her death.
1059
00:48:09,345 --> 00:48:14,183
It was March 18, 1950.
1060
00:48:14,183 --> 00:48:18,479
Janett was babysitting
for the Romack family
1061
00:48:18,479 --> 00:48:21,065
out kind of in the west edge
of Columbia--
1062
00:48:21,065 --> 00:48:23,526
it really wasn't
in the city limits.
1063
00:48:23,526 --> 00:48:26,695
It was kind of an eerie night.
1064
00:48:26,695 --> 00:48:31,075
I also was babysitting,
and I just felt uneasy,
1065
00:48:31,075 --> 00:48:32,535
and that was unusual for me
1066
00:48:32,535 --> 00:48:34,745
because I did
quite a bit of babysitting--
1067
00:48:34,745 --> 00:48:39,333
but I just felt that something
was going on about 12 o'clock,
1068
00:48:39,333 --> 00:48:41,377
and I even got up
to check the door
1069
00:48:41,377 --> 00:48:42,503
and make sure
it was locked,
1070
00:48:42,503 --> 00:48:43,462
went in to check
the little boy--
1071
00:48:43,462 --> 00:48:45,714
he was fine.
1072
00:48:45,714 --> 00:48:49,135
And then the next morning,
the phone rang.
1073
00:48:49,135 --> 00:48:51,345
My mother went in to answer
1074
00:48:51,345 --> 00:48:53,222
and told me that Janett
had been killed
1075
00:48:53,222 --> 00:48:54,098
while she was babysitting.
1076
00:48:55,641 --> 00:48:56,976
Joshua:
I had heard that
1077
00:48:56,976 --> 00:48:59,562
there had been a phone call
to the police.
1078
00:48:59,562 --> 00:49:02,231
Well, Mrs. Romack tried to call
1079
00:49:02,231 --> 00:49:06,402
to check on Janett
with the thunder,
1080
00:49:06,402 --> 00:49:09,113
and she was afraid
the little boy might wake up--
1081
00:49:09,113 --> 00:49:12,408
and she tried to call
and received a busy signal.
1082
00:49:12,408 --> 00:49:13,826
( Busy Tone of Phone )
1083
00:49:13,826 --> 00:49:15,494
Joshua:
What the Romack
family didn't know
1084
00:49:15,494 --> 00:49:17,204
is that Janett
had called the police
1085
00:49:17,204 --> 00:49:18,873
while she was being attacked,
1086
00:49:18,873 --> 00:49:22,251
but the only thing they heard
were desperate screams.
1087
00:49:22,251 --> 00:49:23,752
Unable to trace the call,
1088
00:49:23,752 --> 00:49:25,629
the police were helpless
to stop her murder.
1089
00:49:28,674 --> 00:49:33,179
Janett had skin
under her fingernails.
1090
00:49:36,182 --> 00:49:40,603
She had many abrasions
on her body,
1091
00:49:40,603 --> 00:49:43,189
but the final thing was
1092
00:49:43,189 --> 00:49:46,775
that she was strangled
with an ironing cord.
1093
00:49:49,236 --> 00:49:53,949
I know she suffered a lot
before she finally succumbed.
1094
00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:57,953
Joshua:
Janett Christman's death
1095
00:49:57,953 --> 00:50:00,331
shocked the small town
of Columbia, Missouri,
1096
00:50:00,331 --> 00:50:02,416
but despite being one of
the most publicized crimes
1097
00:50:02,416 --> 00:50:03,918
in the past 60 years,
1098
00:50:03,918 --> 00:50:06,712
her murder
has never been solved.
1099
00:50:06,712 --> 00:50:09,924
So right now, we're looking
for Ed Romack's house
1100
00:50:09,924 --> 00:50:12,134
where Janett Christman
was murdered
1101
00:50:12,134 --> 00:50:14,428
while she was babysitting.
1102
00:50:14,428 --> 00:50:16,805
1015 should be
somewhere along here.
1103
00:50:16,805 --> 00:50:18,641
Rachel:
So then it must be that one.
1104
00:50:18,641 --> 00:50:22,311
That house right there?
Right there, right there.
1105
00:50:22,311 --> 00:50:24,146
Joshua:
Quick question for you,
1106
00:50:24,146 --> 00:50:26,398
is this where Ed Romack
used to live?
1107
00:50:26,398 --> 00:50:27,441
Is that this house?
1108
00:50:27,441 --> 00:50:29,193
WOMAN:
Maybe.
1109
00:50:29,193 --> 00:50:30,194
Joshua:
But you don't know
anything about it.
1110
00:50:34,198 --> 00:50:35,741
Joshua:
Uh-hm.
1111
00:50:35,741 --> 00:50:38,911
About two years ago,
this car pulled up
1112
00:50:38,911 --> 00:50:42,915
and they were out there talking
and pointing here at this house,
1113
00:50:42,915 --> 00:50:45,417
and they said
we're trying to figure out
1114
00:50:45,417 --> 00:50:49,672
which house where a girl
was babysitting a little baby,
1115
00:50:49,672 --> 00:50:51,423
and she got murdered
and raped.
1116
00:50:51,423 --> 00:50:52,549
Joshua:
Uh-hm.
1117
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:53,676
And I said, no,
it's not this house,
1118
00:50:53,676 --> 00:50:54,593
it's that one.
1119
00:50:54,593 --> 00:50:56,053
Joshua:
Uh-hm.
1120
00:50:56,053 --> 00:50:58,347
It was a man talking to me.
He said, "I was the baby."
1121
00:50:58,347 --> 00:50:59,515
Joshua:
No!
1122
00:50:59,515 --> 00:51:01,350
Rachel:
Wow!
1123
00:51:01,350 --> 00:51:04,019
And a different woman that
lived across West Boulevard,
1124
00:51:04,019 --> 00:51:05,771
and she had been
raped and murdered
1125
00:51:05,771 --> 00:51:08,774
sometime within close
to that time.
1126
00:51:08,774 --> 00:51:10,192
Joshua:
Jenkins is it?
Yes.
1127
00:51:10,192 --> 00:51:11,360
Joshua:
Jenkins, right.
1128
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,362
We went to--
I went to the trial. Yeah.
1129
00:51:13,362 --> 00:51:15,531
Joshua:
Marylou Jenkins
was the other reason
1130
00:51:15,531 --> 00:51:17,366
we were in Columbia.
1131
00:51:17,366 --> 00:51:21,495
On February 6, 1946,
Marylou, age 20,
1132
00:51:21,495 --> 00:51:22,788
was home alone
while her mother was out
1133
00:51:22,788 --> 00:51:25,499
caring for
an elderly neighbor.
1134
00:51:25,499 --> 00:51:27,876
The next morning she came home
to find Marylou dead.
1135
00:51:27,876 --> 00:51:30,546
Much like Janett Christman's
murder four years later,
1136
00:51:30,546 --> 00:51:32,339
Marylou had been raped
and strangled
1137
00:51:32,339 --> 00:51:33,966
with an electrical cord.
1138
00:51:35,342 --> 00:51:37,803
A mentally-challenged man
named Floyd Cochran
1139
00:51:37,803 --> 00:51:39,888
who had been arrested
for killing his wife
1140
00:51:39,888 --> 00:51:42,975
was charged with the murder
and quickly executed.
1141
00:51:42,975 --> 00:51:45,227
Do you think Floyd
was innocent?
1142
00:51:45,227 --> 00:51:47,396
MARY BETH BROWN: I think
he was likely innocent
1143
00:51:47,396 --> 00:51:49,857
of killing
Marylou Jenkins, yes.
1144
00:51:49,857 --> 00:51:54,278
He did kill his wife
in likely a domestic dispute,
1145
00:51:54,278 --> 00:51:56,905
but just from reading
the trial transcripts,
1146
00:51:56,905 --> 00:51:58,699
it just didn't seem like
he had the wherewithal
1147
00:51:58,699 --> 00:52:02,244
to kill and rape
a young woman.
1148
00:52:02,244 --> 00:52:04,455
Joshua: Mary Beth Brown
is a researcher
1149
00:52:04,455 --> 00:52:07,249
who helped shed new light
on these old cold cases.
1150
00:52:07,249 --> 00:52:08,917
She believes
the eerie similarities
1151
00:52:08,917 --> 00:52:11,503
between the Jenkins murder
and the Christman murder
1152
00:52:11,503 --> 00:52:14,923
four years later
only proves
Cochran's innocence.
1153
00:52:14,923 --> 00:52:17,843
They were both young women,
they were home by themselves,
1154
00:52:17,843 --> 00:52:20,471
they were both found
with electrical cords
1155
00:52:20,471 --> 00:52:21,889
wrapped around their neck,
1156
00:52:21,889 --> 00:52:26,018
but cords that weren't attached
or torn from the appliance--
1157
00:52:26,018 --> 00:52:27,561
they were actually cut.
1158
00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:30,522
The whole location thing
is the one that really gets me.
1159
00:52:30,522 --> 00:52:31,774
Joshua:
Like how close was it?
1160
00:52:31,774 --> 00:52:33,359
MARY BETH BROWN:
Within two blocks.
1161
00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:35,486
Joshua: Do you think
that the same person
1162
00:52:35,486 --> 00:52:40,532
who killed Marylou Jenkins
also killed Janett Christman?
1163
00:52:40,532 --> 00:52:44,078
That's my personal opinion,
but yeah.
1164
00:52:44,078 --> 00:52:45,663
Joshua:
And who do you think did it?
1165
00:52:45,663 --> 00:52:47,081
I've been told several people,
1166
00:52:47,081 --> 00:52:50,626
but more than any other name
was Robert Mueller.
1167
00:52:50,626 --> 00:52:52,002
Joshua:
Robert Mueller
1168
00:52:52,002 --> 00:52:53,962
was a high school friend
of Ed Romack's,
1169
00:52:53,962 --> 00:52:55,631
and it was the Romack's house
1170
00:52:55,631 --> 00:52:57,716
where Janett was babysitting
that night.
1171
00:52:57,716 --> 00:52:59,551
The Romacks told police
that Mueller
1172
00:52:59,551 --> 00:53:01,970
had often commented
on Janett being a virgin
1173
00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:05,808
and had eluded to knowing
intimate details of the crime.
1174
00:53:05,808 --> 00:53:07,810
Although Mueller had been
taken in for questioning
1175
00:53:07,810 --> 00:53:10,396
and passed a polygraph,
the police still felt
1176
00:53:10,396 --> 00:53:12,648
there was enough evidence
to arrest him.
1177
00:53:12,648 --> 00:53:15,025
However, a grand jury
refused to indict,
1178
00:53:15,025 --> 00:53:17,528
and Mueller was never tried
for Janett's murder.
1179
00:53:19,363 --> 00:53:21,990
Rachel: I am working
on a documentary,
1180
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:23,700
and I'm interested
in a cold case
1181
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:24,993
that I've been researching.
1182
00:53:24,993 --> 00:53:26,412
I wanted to see
if there was any information
1183
00:53:26,412 --> 00:53:28,664
that you could give me.
1184
00:53:28,664 --> 00:53:29,790
Okay, is that--
1185
00:53:29,790 --> 00:53:31,834
did you just like
do something on your system
1186
00:53:31,834 --> 00:53:32,960
and you see
there's nothing there?
1187
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,670
Joshua:
Despite numerous efforts
1188
00:53:34,670 --> 00:53:35,879
to reach out to police,
1189
00:53:35,879 --> 00:53:38,173
they were less than responsive.
1190
00:53:38,173 --> 00:53:41,009
Christman's case was too old
to warrant attention.
1191
00:53:41,009 --> 00:53:44,513
However, we were able to
track down some old case files.
1192
00:53:44,513 --> 00:53:47,433
This deputy testified
that Romack told him
1193
00:53:47,433 --> 00:53:50,060
Mueller had known Janett
1194
00:53:50,060 --> 00:53:53,689
and admired
her well-developed form.
1195
00:53:53,689 --> 00:53:56,567
( Aghast )
Oh my God!
1196
00:53:58,402 --> 00:54:00,487
There's her leg.
1197
00:54:00,487 --> 00:54:02,948
There's the phone.
1198
00:54:02,948 --> 00:54:07,035
That's the cord
around her neck, right there.
1199
00:54:07,035 --> 00:54:11,582
It's one of those irons
back then with the thick cords.
1200
00:54:11,582 --> 00:54:13,667
That's the window
that was broken
1201
00:54:13,667 --> 00:54:15,627
that supposedly
whoever did this
went in and out of,
1202
00:54:15,627 --> 00:54:16,962
but the Venetian blinds--
1203
00:54:16,962 --> 00:54:17,838
if someone were going
through there--
1204
00:54:17,838 --> 00:54:19,756
they'd be totally ripped up.
1205
00:54:19,756 --> 00:54:21,550
The piano, look.
1206
00:54:21,550 --> 00:54:23,719
That's the window--
oh, look.
1207
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,345
Joshua:
That's the broken glass
1208
00:54:25,345 --> 00:54:26,638
and that's why they're saying
nothing is disturbed
1209
00:54:26,638 --> 00:54:28,724
because look at the area
around it.
1210
00:54:28,724 --> 00:54:30,434
So, inside job.
1211
00:54:30,434 --> 00:54:31,602
Uh-hm.
1212
00:54:31,602 --> 00:54:33,145
Mueller's wife,
according to the deputy,
1213
00:54:34,771 --> 00:54:37,399
had called the girl to baby sit
at the Mueller home that night
1214
00:54:37,399 --> 00:54:39,860
and found she had already
been asked by Mrs. Romack.
1215
00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:40,903
Joshua:
So, Mueller tried to get her
1216
00:54:40,903 --> 00:54:41,904
to baby sit that night.
1217
00:54:41,904 --> 00:54:43,614
Must have been.
1218
00:54:43,614 --> 00:54:46,325
And she was already
babysitting the Romacks--
1219
00:54:49,453 --> 00:54:51,914
which was how he would know
she would be alone.
1220
00:54:51,914 --> 00:54:53,499
I agree that it sounds
like he did it,
1221
00:54:53,499 --> 00:54:57,461
but maybe, maybe he didn't.
1222
00:54:57,461 --> 00:55:00,214
There's no solid proof,
no hard evidence.
1223
00:55:02,341 --> 00:55:05,677
Joshua:
Joan Sorrels is another
researcher studying the cases.
1224
00:55:05,677 --> 00:55:06,970
She believes other crimes
1225
00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:08,472
happening in Columbia
at the time
1226
00:55:08,472 --> 00:55:10,849
might be connected
to these murders.
1227
00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:12,226
There were rapes
1228
00:55:12,226 --> 00:55:15,521
that had occurred
within that period
1229
00:55:15,521 --> 00:55:18,732
between the Jenkins murder
and the Christman murder.
1230
00:55:18,732 --> 00:55:19,983
Tell me about those.
1231
00:55:19,983 --> 00:55:21,693
Yeah. Well, there was a rape
1232
00:55:21,693 --> 00:55:25,822
that was within two blocks
of the Christman murder.
1233
00:55:25,822 --> 00:55:29,701
The girl was raped by a man
that wore a mask...
1234
00:55:29,701 --> 00:55:30,953
Really?
1235
00:55:30,953 --> 00:55:31,954
And when you
read the stories--
1236
00:55:31,954 --> 00:55:33,997
the reports
of the Christman murder--
1237
00:55:33,997 --> 00:55:35,916
when they're talking
about Robert Mueller,
1238
00:55:35,916 --> 00:55:39,545
it turns out that he was
interested in the theater
1239
00:55:39,545 --> 00:55:42,548
and that he made masks.
1240
00:55:42,548 --> 00:55:46,218
There was a black man named
Jake Bradford that they charged,
1241
00:55:46,218 --> 00:55:48,011
and he had already
been in jail,
1242
00:55:48,011 --> 00:55:51,807
and he was charged
on the rapes.
1243
00:55:51,807 --> 00:55:53,559
You assume
he was innocent.
1244
00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:55,227
Of that.
1245
00:55:55,227 --> 00:55:58,689
They took the wrong man,
they really did.
1246
00:55:58,689 --> 00:56:00,983
Would you say that Columbia
has like a history of this?
1247
00:56:00,983 --> 00:56:02,734
Well, you remember
that I was graduating
1248
00:56:02,734 --> 00:56:04,695
from high school in '51.
1249
00:56:04,695 --> 00:56:06,572
You would go
to the MU football games
1250
00:56:06,572 --> 00:56:07,906
and you would stand up
for Dixie.
1251
00:56:07,906 --> 00:56:10,033
What does that mean?
1252
00:56:10,033 --> 00:56:11,743
The song
Dixies ...
1253
00:56:11,743 --> 00:56:12,995
Uh-hm, okay.
1254
00:56:12,995 --> 00:56:14,413
That's a confederate song.
1255
00:56:14,413 --> 00:56:15,914
Uh-hm.
1256
00:56:15,914 --> 00:56:20,043
Columbia was really primarily
a confederate town.
1257
00:56:21,753 --> 00:56:24,965
Basically this is the story
of a young girl...
1258
00:56:24,965 --> 00:56:27,342
Joshua:
We came here to investigate
an urban legend,
1259
00:56:27,342 --> 00:56:29,177
but what we found
was truly shocking--
1260
00:56:29,177 --> 00:56:31,513
the unsolved murders
of two young girls,
1261
00:56:31,513 --> 00:56:34,057
a series of brutal rapes,
and the possibility
1262
00:56:34,057 --> 00:56:38,645
that men were being falsely
accused and even executed.
1263
00:56:38,645 --> 00:56:41,815
In all honesty, the truth
was more unflinchingly real
1264
00:56:41,815 --> 00:56:43,859
than we could ever
have imagined.
1265
00:56:43,859 --> 00:56:46,987
So right now, we are headed
to Hinkson Creek.
1266
00:56:46,987 --> 00:56:49,031
Rachel: This is where
a lot of people went to park
1267
00:56:49,031 --> 00:56:52,451
back in the '50s, and '40s,
'50s, '60s and still do now.
1268
00:56:52,451 --> 00:56:53,368
Yeah.
1269
00:56:56,413 --> 00:56:57,956
We just wanted to see
about all the other rapes
1270
00:56:57,956 --> 00:57:00,584
that were happening
other than the two houses.
1271
00:57:00,584 --> 00:57:03,253
This is the creek
where they're saying
1272
00:57:03,253 --> 00:57:05,547
there were a ton of rapes
happening around here.
1273
00:57:11,178 --> 00:57:12,304
That.
1274
00:57:14,139 --> 00:57:16,224
This is where
the college students go in,
1275
00:57:16,224 --> 00:57:17,934
and there's like a car
right out over there
1276
00:57:17,934 --> 00:57:19,311
and they just flashed
their lights
1277
00:57:19,311 --> 00:57:22,731
because they didn't want us
to walk in on them.
1278
00:57:25,609 --> 00:57:26,860
What's down here?
1279
00:57:26,860 --> 00:57:29,029
Uh, where they dragged
the girl.
1280
00:57:29,029 --> 00:57:32,741
Rachel:
Dragged?
- Dragged from the car.
1281
00:57:32,741 --> 00:57:34,660
There's a couple making out.
1282
00:57:34,660 --> 00:57:36,828
Some guy
came out of nowhere
1283
00:57:36,828 --> 00:57:39,247
and then at gunpoint
pulled one of the girls off
1284
00:57:39,247 --> 00:57:42,250
into the woods--and it was
right near Halloween--
1285
00:57:42,250 --> 00:57:46,088
and basically this guy
put a mask over his head
1286
00:57:46,088 --> 00:57:49,633
and then he put a mask
over the girl's face,
1287
00:57:49,633 --> 00:57:50,801
and then he raped her.
1288
00:57:50,801 --> 00:57:52,969
I think the more scary thing
was being a woman,
1289
00:57:52,969 --> 00:57:58,100
being a girl between
1940 and 1950, in this area,
1290
00:57:58,100 --> 00:58:01,061
knowing the amount of things
going on.
1291
00:58:01,061 --> 00:58:02,938
I wouldn't have wanted to be
a babysitter back then.
1292
00:58:02,938 --> 00:58:05,023
I wouldn't have wanted
to be by myself
1293
00:58:05,023 --> 00:58:06,316
in one of those houses.
1294
00:58:06,316 --> 00:58:10,278
Most teenagers in the US
go through a period
1295
00:58:10,278 --> 00:58:12,322
when they baby sit
at least once or twice,
1296
00:58:12,322 --> 00:58:16,743
and it feels very terrifying
to the person who is doing it,
1297
00:58:16,743 --> 00:58:18,078
( Eerie Music )
1298
00:58:18,078 --> 00:58:20,288
but it's not actually dangerous
almost at all.
1299
00:58:20,288 --> 00:58:22,708
I mean, there's no reason
to imagine
1300
00:58:22,708 --> 00:58:25,252
that any killer
would even know
1301
00:58:25,252 --> 00:58:27,713
that a babysitter was on duty
in the house,
1302
00:58:27,713 --> 00:58:30,132
and it makes the most sense
if you think about the fact
1303
00:58:30,132 --> 00:58:33,260
that maybe he knew she was
going to be there babysitting
1304
00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:35,137
and maybe
he did this specifically
1305
00:58:35,137 --> 00:58:37,347
to torment the babysitter,
1306
00:58:37,347 --> 00:58:39,307
and that is
exactly what happened,
1307
00:58:39,307 --> 00:58:41,977
they think,
in the Columbia case.
1308
00:58:41,977 --> 00:58:45,021
Joshua:
Was somebody tormenting
the babysitters in Columbia--
1309
00:58:45,021 --> 00:58:47,899
and was the same person
responsible for the sex crimes
1310
00:58:47,899 --> 00:58:49,818
that had terrorized this town--
1311
00:58:49,818 --> 00:58:54,156
and finally
was this same person
Robert Mueller?
1312
00:58:54,156 --> 00:58:55,949
Hoping for some
additional insight,
1313
00:58:55,949 --> 00:58:58,410
we turned to a profiler
in Kansas City,
1314
00:58:58,410 --> 00:59:01,163
a former German national
named Peter Brendt
1315
00:59:01,163 --> 00:59:03,165
who was willing to review
our case.
1316
00:59:03,165 --> 00:59:07,002
So in your opinion,
the same killer for both girls.
1317
00:59:07,002 --> 00:59:08,837
Yes.
This is too specific
1318
00:59:08,837 --> 00:59:11,173
if you add
all of the details together.
1319
00:59:11,173 --> 00:59:13,341
Do you think
that Marylou Jenkins knew him?
1320
00:59:13,341 --> 00:59:16,386
Well, there was no sign
of forced entry on the door,
1321
00:59:16,386 --> 00:59:21,224
so at least from the sight,
she must have known him,
1322
00:59:21,224 --> 00:59:24,019
and he was non threatening
to her.
1323
00:59:24,019 --> 00:59:26,980
Right.
Now let's talk about Christman.
1324
00:59:26,980 --> 00:59:29,816
PETER:
Oh, well,
this is a lot more specifics .
1325
00:59:29,816 --> 00:59:31,943
If you see
there comes an offender,
1326
00:59:31,943 --> 00:59:33,487
he breaks a window.
1327
00:59:33,487 --> 00:59:35,781
The victim runs to the kitchen
where the phone is,
1328
00:59:35,781 --> 00:59:38,241
and he walks in
through the front door.
1329
00:59:38,241 --> 00:59:40,744
Now, why would he do that?
1330
00:59:40,744 --> 00:59:43,747
He would do that
only if he knew one detail--
1331
00:59:43,747 --> 00:59:48,877
Ed Romack had shown her
how to use the shortcut.
1332
00:59:48,877 --> 00:59:50,879
Joshua:
Peter had brought up
an interesting clue--
1333
00:59:50,879 --> 00:59:52,506
one that many had overlooked.
1334
00:59:52,506 --> 00:59:54,257
Romack testified
that he had shown Janett
1335
00:59:54,257 --> 00:59:56,718
a loaded shotgun
by the front door.
1336
00:59:56,718 --> 00:59:58,220
By breaking the window,
1337
00:59:58,220 --> 01:00:00,013
Mueller would distract her
away from the gun
1338
01:00:00,013 --> 01:00:03,475
so he could safely
get inside the house.
1339
01:00:03,475 --> 01:00:07,103
He knew how long he would need
around the house,
1340
01:00:07,103 --> 01:00:09,147
through the front door
into the kitchen.
1341
01:00:09,147 --> 01:00:14,110
So he knew every feet
of the route.
1342
01:00:14,110 --> 01:00:15,737
Do you think it was Mueller?
1343
01:00:15,737 --> 01:00:17,197
PETER:
He fits the bill,
1344
01:00:17,197 --> 01:00:19,157
but a lot of other males
of the town
1345
01:00:19,157 --> 01:00:21,034
would fit that bill, too.
1346
01:00:21,034 --> 01:00:24,287
And the problem is
he passed his lie detector.
1347
01:00:24,287 --> 01:00:30,085
Now, if you have even 20%
to 40% cycle passes it makes--
1348
01:00:30,085 --> 01:00:32,003
a lie detector,
1349
01:00:32,003 --> 01:00:35,006
especially an old model
from the '50s,
1350
01:00:35,006 --> 01:00:40,053
um, well, it's worthless.
1351
01:00:40,053 --> 01:00:41,429
Now the other
interesting thing
1352
01:00:41,429 --> 01:00:45,058
is that the rapes and murders
stopped when he left town.
1353
01:00:45,058 --> 01:00:48,395
Well, that looks not good
on the other side.
1354
01:00:48,395 --> 01:00:53,441
What was it, half a million
young males went to Korea?
1355
01:00:53,441 --> 01:00:56,570
So he wasn't the only one
who left the area.
1356
01:00:56,570 --> 01:00:59,197
I mean he would
so nicely fit the bill,
1357
01:00:59,197 --> 01:01:03,910
but that's the risky part
with profiles, yeah?
1358
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:06,121
A profile states
not who the killer is
1359
01:01:06,121 --> 01:01:08,582
but what the killer is.
1360
01:01:08,582 --> 01:01:10,041
Rachel:
I think it's interesting
1361
01:01:10,041 --> 01:01:12,294
that he thinks whoever this is,
1362
01:01:12,294 --> 01:01:15,839
he knew her--
he knew both.
1363
01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:17,173
Joshua:
Although we'll
never be able to prove
1364
01:01:17,173 --> 01:01:19,050
who committed
all these crimes,
1365
01:01:19,050 --> 01:01:20,468
the evidence strongly suggests
1366
01:01:20,468 --> 01:01:23,805
that Janett Christman
knew her killer.
1367
01:01:23,805 --> 01:01:28,560
There really is not
a strong tradition in America
1368
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:33,023
of strangers coming in
and killing babysitters.
1369
01:01:33,023 --> 01:01:37,152
Babysitters killing
small children, yes,
1370
01:01:37,152 --> 01:01:40,906
but the stranger
on babysitter story
1371
01:01:40,906 --> 01:01:47,913
just doesn't connect up with
a widespread real social fear.
1372
01:01:47,913 --> 01:01:49,497
( Thumping )
1373
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:54,377
STEPHEN:
What the babysitter
and the man upstairs
1374
01:01:54,377 --> 01:01:57,339
seems to be about
is this warning
1375
01:01:57,339 --> 01:01:59,257
about this kind of
responsibility.
1376
01:01:59,257 --> 01:02:00,383
If you're taking
this responsibility,
1377
01:02:00,383 --> 01:02:02,260
you have to take it seriously.
1378
01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:04,971
So, you have this voice
that calls her up on the phone
1379
01:02:04,971 --> 01:02:06,598
and almost like a conscience,
1380
01:02:06,598 --> 01:02:08,475
asks have you checked
the children,
1381
01:02:08,475 --> 01:02:10,435
and she hasn't
checked the children,
1382
01:02:10,435 --> 01:02:13,021
and that's one of the reasons
why she doesn't know
1383
01:02:13,021 --> 01:02:14,689
that they've been murdered.
1384
01:02:16,191 --> 01:02:18,235
Bill Ellis:
I think it makes more sense
1385
01:02:18,235 --> 01:02:20,278
to look at it in a simple way
1386
01:02:20,278 --> 01:02:25,450
and say the babysitter is
dealing with her own anxieties
1387
01:02:25,450 --> 01:02:30,163
of being potentially the cause
of the children's death--
1388
01:02:30,163 --> 01:02:34,542
and the killer upstairs
is the killer upstairs for her.
1389
01:02:34,542 --> 01:02:36,503
Joshua: The tragic case
of Janett Christman
1390
01:02:36,503 --> 01:02:39,172
only goes to prove
Bill Ellis's point
1391
01:02:39,172 --> 01:02:42,968
that our portrayal of the man
upstairs is incorrect--
1392
01:02:42,968 --> 01:02:45,428
and that's because the truth
is more terrifying
1393
01:02:45,428 --> 01:02:47,389
than we can ever imagine.
1394
01:02:47,389 --> 01:02:49,391
Janett Christman
knew her killer,
1395
01:02:49,391 --> 01:02:51,935
and if it's true
that her killer was Mueller
1396
01:02:51,935 --> 01:02:54,562
as so many in Columbia
have suggested,
1397
01:02:54,562 --> 01:02:57,148
then the man tormenting her
that fateful night
1398
01:02:57,148 --> 01:02:59,401
wasn't any stranger.
1399
01:02:59,401 --> 01:03:02,737
( Phone Rings )
1400
01:03:13,081 --> 01:03:15,375
So now we go from
Columbia, Missouri,
1401
01:03:15,375 --> 01:03:17,961
to Chicago in the 1980s--
1402
01:03:17,961 --> 01:03:19,671
from the small town
to the big city.
1403
01:03:22,090 --> 01:03:25,093
For some,
it is a loss of innocence,
1404
01:03:25,093 --> 01:03:29,180
and nothing speaks to that loss
more than clowns.
1405
01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:31,141
( CIrcus Music )
1406
01:03:31,141 --> 01:03:33,601
We used to think of clowns
as fairly happy characters.
1407
01:03:33,601 --> 01:03:36,021
Yes, sometimes
they were sad or hapless,
1408
01:03:36,021 --> 01:03:38,565
but ultimately they were
harmless caricatures.
1409
01:03:38,565 --> 01:03:42,152
Of course, clown faces
were exaggerated and garish,
1410
01:03:42,152 --> 01:03:43,611
but that's because of
the far distances
1411
01:03:43,611 --> 01:03:46,114
between the audience
and the ring.
1412
01:03:46,114 --> 01:03:49,034
It wasn't the clown's fault,
or was it?
1413
01:03:50,952 --> 01:03:52,620
Before modern times,
the clown--
1414
01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:54,622
or more appropriately
the jester--
1415
01:03:54,622 --> 01:03:56,583
was considered
a mischievous trickster
1416
01:03:56,583 --> 01:04:00,295
whose special role
allowed them to mock nobility.
1417
01:04:00,295 --> 01:04:03,548
Jesters served to entertain,
but it wasn't all smiles.
1418
01:04:03,548 --> 01:04:08,470
These clowns had a mean streak,
and they played it to the hilt.
1419
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:11,056
But what was it
about the clowns of today
1420
01:04:11,056 --> 01:04:15,060
that turned them
into something evil?
1421
01:04:15,060 --> 01:04:17,395
( Rooster Cawing )
1422
01:04:17,395 --> 01:04:18,646
Breakfast.
1423
01:04:20,398 --> 01:04:22,817
I'm hungry.
1424
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:25,737
Joshua:
Some believe
it was when we brought clowns
1425
01:04:25,737 --> 01:04:28,073
out of the Big Top
and into our homes
1426
01:04:28,073 --> 01:04:30,200
via birthday parties and TV,
1427
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,036
that things
really began to change.
1428
01:04:33,036 --> 01:04:36,372
We see you here as Bozo.
Who are you really?
1429
01:04:36,372 --> 01:04:38,500
Joshua:
Had that
suspicious gleam in the eye
1430
01:04:38,500 --> 01:04:40,168
been there all along?
1431
01:04:40,168 --> 01:04:43,088
Did we finally just put
two and two together to realize
1432
01:04:43,088 --> 01:04:46,341
that clowns were creepy
or even worse--
1433
01:04:46,341 --> 01:04:48,218
dangerous?
1434
01:04:48,218 --> 01:04:50,762
ANNOUNCER:
The News At 5.
1435
01:04:50,762 --> 01:04:52,597
NEWS READER:
Chicago police warned parents
1436
01:04:52,597 --> 01:04:56,684
about a man dressed as a clown
who is approaching children.
1437
01:04:56,684 --> 01:04:58,770
Police say a clown
tried to lure boys
1438
01:04:58,770 --> 01:05:02,023
into his pickup truck
last Tuesday evening.
1439
01:05:02,023 --> 01:05:03,775
Police have issued
two community alerts
1440
01:05:03,775 --> 01:05:07,028
regarding the clown sighting
near some Southside schools
1441
01:05:07,028 --> 01:05:08,947
as well as
some Westside schools.
1442
01:05:11,074 --> 01:05:12,617
Joshua:
No one can say for sure
1443
01:05:12,617 --> 01:05:15,203
where in Chicago
it happened first or even when,
1444
01:05:17,163 --> 01:05:21,751
but they were out there,
snatching kids off the streets.
1445
01:05:21,751 --> 01:05:24,546
They trolled playgrounds
and schoolyards.
1446
01:05:24,546 --> 01:05:26,589
Sometimes they used
balloons or candy
1447
01:05:26,589 --> 01:05:28,049
to lure the gullible ones.
1448
01:05:30,468 --> 01:05:32,512
But ask anyone
who has seen them,
1449
01:05:32,512 --> 01:05:35,056
and they'll all tell you
the same thing--
1450
01:05:35,056 --> 01:05:36,891
it was the white van
they saw first
1451
01:05:39,227 --> 01:05:42,063
and then that face
behind the wheel
1452
01:05:42,063 --> 01:05:44,315
painted white
with a maniacal smile.
1453
01:05:47,235 --> 01:05:50,113
We call them
the Killer Clowns,
1454
01:05:50,113 --> 01:05:52,615
and they only wanted
one thing--
1455
01:05:52,615 --> 01:05:56,161
to kidnap kids just like us.
1456
01:05:57,745 --> 01:05:59,205
ON T.V:
Police are saying
that the suspect
1457
01:05:59,205 --> 01:06:01,374
wears clown make-up, a wig,
1458
01:06:01,374 --> 01:06:03,418
and sometimes
he carried balloons.
1459
01:06:03,418 --> 01:06:07,172
The latest pair of incidents
occurred near playgrounds
at 83rd and Mackinaw...
1460
01:06:07,172 --> 01:06:08,882
They were running out
of the playground area.
1461
01:06:08,882 --> 01:06:11,426
To prey on children
at this time, you know,
1462
01:06:11,426 --> 01:06:13,761
right around the time
that they want to go out
1463
01:06:13,761 --> 01:06:16,598
and do trick-or-treating
is unfortunate.
1464
01:06:16,598 --> 01:06:19,184
We should emphasize
that nothing has happened--
1465
01:06:19,184 --> 01:06:20,560
no child has been hurt--
1466
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,271
but certainly these incidents
that have been near children
1467
01:06:23,271 --> 01:06:25,273
is making it very uneasy.
1468
01:06:25,273 --> 01:06:26,858
( Sirens Wailing )
1469
01:06:29,736 --> 01:06:32,280
Joshua:
In 2008, this was
one of the reported sightings--
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01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:33,198
South Mackinaw--
1471
01:06:33,198 --> 01:06:36,159
one of the theoretical
clown abductions
1472
01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:38,536
where apparently he was hiding
in the playground
1473
01:06:38,536 --> 01:06:40,246
with some balloons...
1474
01:06:40,246 --> 01:06:42,248
Or he was in a van
or he was in a truck.
1475
01:06:42,248 --> 01:06:44,250
I mean, no adult
said they saw this.
1476
01:06:44,250 --> 01:06:46,211
Something was going on
with these children
1477
01:06:46,211 --> 01:06:50,465
to feel the need
to alert adults.
1478
01:06:50,465 --> 01:06:52,675
You doing a documentary?
Yeah, we are.
1479
01:06:52,675 --> 01:06:53,676
Joshua:
Do you believe
that really happened?
1480
01:06:53,676 --> 01:06:55,303
Yeah, oh sure.
1481
01:06:55,303 --> 01:06:56,429
Joshua:
Why do you believe
that happened?
1482
01:06:56,429 --> 01:06:57,680
Well, people told me,
you know,
1483
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,599
that they actually seen that.
1484
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:01,392
Was it just one incident
or was it...
1485
01:07:01,392 --> 01:07:03,561
No, it was like a couple weeks
or you know,
1486
01:07:03,561 --> 01:07:05,813
a month or something like
that it was going on.
1487
01:07:05,813 --> 01:07:07,232
Rachel:
Did they ever catch the guy?
1488
01:07:07,232 --> 01:07:08,149
I'm not sure.
1489
01:07:08,149 --> 01:07:09,692
I think they did
because it stopped.
1490
01:07:09,692 --> 01:07:12,362
Definitely
it was a true incident.
1491
01:07:12,362 --> 01:07:14,239
Joshua: Uh-hm.
Rachel: Uh-hm.
1492
01:07:14,239 --> 01:07:15,323
So, he believes...
1493
01:07:15,323 --> 01:07:17,325
He believes it.
It was-it was real.
1494
01:07:17,325 --> 01:07:19,494
I think there could possibly
have been a clown here.
1495
01:07:19,494 --> 01:07:21,579
It's hard to discern.
1496
01:07:21,579 --> 01:07:23,623
A white van
and the guy had a mask...
1497
01:07:23,623 --> 01:07:25,750
Uh-hm.
...Of a clown.
1498
01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:27,877
One of our friends' daughters...
1499
01:07:27,877 --> 01:07:29,379
...Yeah, and she was
holding on
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01:07:29,379 --> 01:07:30,588
like for dear life
to the fence.
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01:07:30,588 --> 01:07:32,340
Joshua: Really?
Yeah.
1502
01:07:32,340 --> 01:07:33,716
Joshua:
Do you believe
it really happened?
1503
01:07:33,716 --> 01:07:35,134
I believe so.
1504
01:07:35,134 --> 01:07:37,220
We have tons and tons
of pedophiles
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01:07:37,220 --> 01:07:39,222
in this community.
I always log on to it.
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01:07:39,222 --> 01:07:40,265
Joshua:
Really?
Oh yes.
1507
01:07:40,265 --> 01:07:41,099
Dressing as a clown?
1508
01:07:41,099 --> 01:07:42,267
Yeah.
1509
01:07:42,267 --> 01:07:43,643
That's a little extreme,
don't you think?
1510
01:07:43,643 --> 01:07:44,811
No.
1511
01:07:44,811 --> 01:07:46,229
Joshua:
But you never saw the clown.
1512
01:07:46,229 --> 01:07:49,232
No, but we saw people
that acted like that person--
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01:07:49,232 --> 01:07:50,608
trying to lure--
tell the kids.
1514
01:07:50,608 --> 01:07:53,653
I saw him right in the store
and I warned the store owner.
1515
01:07:53,653 --> 01:07:54,737
I'd like for people
to hear the truth
1516
01:07:54,737 --> 01:07:57,240
( indistinct ) not a lie.
1517
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:58,366
( Background Sirens )
1518
01:07:58,366 --> 01:08:00,326
Now I don't know
what to think.
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01:08:00,326 --> 01:08:02,370
Joshua:
Walking away,
it was hard not to believe
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01:08:02,370 --> 01:08:04,580
that there must be
some truth to this.
1521
01:08:04,580 --> 01:08:06,708
Could all these people
really be wrong?
1522
01:08:06,708 --> 01:08:10,044
Maybe our fear of clowns
isn't just in our heads.
1523
01:08:11,754 --> 01:08:14,549
Joe Durwin: Coulrophobia
is the fear of clowns.
1524
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:16,843
It is so widespread now
that, you know,
1525
01:08:16,843 --> 01:08:20,013
everybody knows that people
are afraid of clowns.
1526
01:08:20,013 --> 01:08:22,724
Everybody knows that something
is up with clowns,
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01:08:22,724 --> 01:08:25,727
and the last couple of decades
have just been confirmation
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01:08:25,727 --> 01:08:27,478
of everything
they ever feared.
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01:08:27,478 --> 01:08:29,480
Joe Durwin:
But what's even more disturbing
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01:08:29,480 --> 01:08:32,900
is that these phantom clowns
didn't just appear in 2008.
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01:08:32,900 --> 01:08:35,486
There was a similar sighting
17 years previously,
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01:08:35,486 --> 01:08:38,781
in the fall of 1991.
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01:08:38,781 --> 01:08:40,783
From the number of
alleged sightings
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01:08:40,783 --> 01:08:43,286
coming from practically
all over Chicago,
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01:08:43,286 --> 01:08:44,662
police are theorizing
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01:08:44,662 --> 01:08:46,581
there may be more
than one phony clown
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01:08:46,581 --> 01:08:48,708
out roaming the streets.
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01:08:48,708 --> 01:08:50,418
Rachel:
This is a comment.
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01:08:50,418 --> 01:08:51,919
"I've seen the same van
with the clown driving
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01:08:51,919 --> 01:08:54,464
when we was on the Westside
playing,
1541
01:08:54,464 --> 01:08:56,632
and I can recall the van
stopping in the alley
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01:08:56,632 --> 01:08:58,676
and the clown trying to
lure me to the van.
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01:08:58,676 --> 01:08:59,927
That scared me worser
1544
01:08:59,927 --> 01:09:02,722
than living in Cabrini-Green
projects."
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01:09:02,722 --> 01:09:05,516
Joe Durwin: The mention of
Cabrini-Green was telling.
1546
01:09:05,516 --> 01:09:08,644
It had been one of Chicago's
most notorious slums
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01:09:08,644 --> 01:09:12,857
where kids faced
rampant poverty and
violence on a daily basis.
1548
01:09:12,857 --> 01:09:14,108
But how does a kid process
1549
01:09:14,108 --> 01:09:15,818
these overwhelming
societal issues
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01:09:15,818 --> 01:09:18,488
that are just too big to fix?
1551
01:09:18,488 --> 01:09:19,989
Have you ever like
heard of any talk
1552
01:09:19,989 --> 01:09:21,616
about any scary place
on your block,
1553
01:09:21,616 --> 01:09:23,284
a place nobody went to?
1554
01:09:23,284 --> 01:09:25,745
Every block is a scary block--
( Giggles )
1555
01:09:25,745 --> 01:09:27,663
so much shooting
and killing out here.
1556
01:09:27,663 --> 01:09:29,374
You guys think
clowns are scary?
1557
01:09:29,374 --> 01:09:30,375
Clowns?
Yeah.
1558
01:09:30,375 --> 01:09:31,793
No.
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01:09:31,793 --> 01:09:32,794
Killer clowns.
1560
01:09:32,794 --> 01:09:34,128
Killer clowns.
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01:09:35,963 --> 01:09:39,384
We've got a real shot here,
Bernadette.
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01:09:39,384 --> 01:09:41,052
An entire community
starts attributing
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01:09:41,052 --> 01:09:44,806
the daily horrors of their lives
to a mythical figure.
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01:09:44,806 --> 01:09:47,016
Joshua:
Sometimes we create monsters.
1565
01:09:47,016 --> 01:09:49,852
Sometimes we just need
to put a face on our fear.
1566
01:09:51,521 --> 01:09:53,564
Aren't you going
to say hello?
1567
01:09:54,607 --> 01:09:56,943
This is where there was
1568
01:09:56,943 --> 01:10:01,697
another series of
clown sightings back in '91.
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01:10:01,697 --> 01:10:04,075
They called this clown sighting
the Homey the Clown sighting.
1570
01:10:04,075 --> 01:10:05,618
Rachel:
Back in the early '90s,
1571
01:10:05,618 --> 01:10:07,787
there was a popular show on,
In Living Colors.
1572
01:10:07,787 --> 01:10:10,081
Huge character on there,
Homey the Clown.
1573
01:10:10,081 --> 01:10:12,583
Now let's show them
how Homey gets back at
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01:10:12,583 --> 01:10:13,501
Mr. Establishment.
1575
01:10:13,501 --> 01:10:15,253
( Laughter )
1576
01:10:15,253 --> 01:10:16,379
Sure.
1577
01:10:16,379 --> 01:10:19,215
( Laughter )
1578
01:10:20,508 --> 01:10:23,636
I mean, this is only one
of many, many places
1579
01:10:23,636 --> 01:10:25,388
all over Chicago.
1580
01:10:26,681 --> 01:10:28,516
There was a real
citywide scare.
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01:10:28,516 --> 01:10:30,685
The Chicago police
were being called.
1582
01:10:30,685 --> 01:10:32,937
There were reports
in the news.
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01:10:32,937 --> 01:10:34,856
Joshua:
Isaiah Thompson
was a local reporter
1584
01:10:34,856 --> 01:10:37,650
who grew up in Chicago
and wrote about the clowns
1585
01:10:37,650 --> 01:10:39,652
that seemed to be lurking
on every corner.
1586
01:10:39,652 --> 01:10:42,405
Somehow-you know,
1587
01:10:42,405 --> 01:10:44,657
I don't know that anyone
knows how, you know,
1588
01:10:44,657 --> 01:10:47,535
this whole city,
especially like this whole
1589
01:10:47,535 --> 01:10:50,371
public school network of
thousands and thousands of kids
1590
01:10:50,371 --> 01:10:51,873
all believe the same thing,
1591
01:10:51,873 --> 01:10:54,667
so it seems like
this larger force of nature
1592
01:10:54,667 --> 01:10:58,171
that sort of visited itself
upon the kids of Chicago.
1593
01:10:58,171 --> 01:11:00,548
Joshua:
What the kids in 1991
didn't know
1594
01:11:00,548 --> 01:11:05,094
was that Chicago had
an even earlier clown scare.
1595
01:11:05,094 --> 01:11:11,058
There was another clown scare
phenomenon previously in 1981.
1596
01:11:11,058 --> 01:11:14,604
It's been said that that one
started in Boston.
1597
01:11:14,604 --> 01:11:16,022
Uh-hm. You think '81,
you think '80s,
1598
01:11:17,899 --> 01:11:19,901
you think Steven King,
you think It
you think Poltergeist.
1599
01:11:19,901 --> 01:11:23,571
No, that started in '82,
Poltergeist, '86 for
It.
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01:11:23,571 --> 01:11:25,573
This was all
before any of that.
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01:11:25,573 --> 01:11:27,200
Joshua: It's easy to see
how Poltergeist
1602
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,202
could have helped
spread a clown scare.
1603
01:11:38,544 --> 01:11:40,421
And of course,
Steven King's It...
1604
01:11:40,421 --> 01:11:43,466
Ah-ha, I'll drive you crazy
and I'll kill you all.
1605
01:11:43,466 --> 01:11:45,426
I'm every nightmare
you ever had.
1606
01:11:45,426 --> 01:11:48,846
I am your worst dream come true!
1607
01:11:48,846 --> 01:11:50,556
Joshua:
But the fact
that the 1981 scare
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01:11:50,556 --> 01:11:53,893
preceded these cinematic
killer clowns was telling.
1609
01:11:53,893 --> 01:11:56,187
This wasn't just kids
watching some movie,
1610
01:11:56,187 --> 01:11:58,898
not when this fear
was everywhere.
1611
01:11:58,898 --> 01:12:02,693
Joe Durwin:
Clowns appear
in California in 1967;
1612
01:12:02,693 --> 01:12:04,570
in Newark 1980;
1613
01:12:04,570 --> 01:12:05,780
Boston; Providence;
1614
01:12:05,780 --> 01:12:08,574
Omaha; Phoenix,
Arizona in 1985;
1615
01:12:08,574 --> 01:12:09,659
Chicago; Galveston,
1616
01:12:09,659 --> 01:12:10,743
Texas, 1992;
1617
01:12:10,743 --> 01:12:11,827
Washington; Maryland;
1618
01:12:11,827 --> 01:12:13,579
Scotland, 1991;
1619
01:12:13,579 --> 01:12:16,082
throughout a large portion
of Latin America
1620
01:12:16,082 --> 01:12:19,669
from Mexico to South America
in the mid-90s.
1621
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:21,796
The question of
how it's being spread
1622
01:12:21,796 --> 01:12:24,966
is a very interesting one
because you have an age group
1623
01:12:24,966 --> 01:12:28,135
which doesn't have
an enormous amount of contacts
1624
01:12:28,135 --> 01:12:30,680
and especially
in a pre-internet time.
1625
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,599
Elementary schools
communicating with students
1626
01:12:33,599 --> 01:12:36,686
in other elementary schools
on the other side of town
1627
01:12:36,686 --> 01:12:38,104
is very unlikely.
1628
01:12:38,104 --> 01:12:41,274
How it's transmitted is really
one of the most intriguing,
1629
01:12:41,274 --> 01:12:44,151
perhaps unsolved mysteries
about it.
1630
01:12:49,574 --> 01:12:50,866
Joshua:
All over the world,
1631
01:12:50,866 --> 01:12:52,702
kids were seeing
killer clowns,
1632
01:12:52,702 --> 01:12:54,495
but it could have been
any monster--
1633
01:12:54,495 --> 01:12:59,000
zombies, vampires, witches,
why clowns?
1634
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,836
Maybe our fear points
to an even larger issue.
1635
01:13:01,836 --> 01:13:03,963
Maybe it was the clown's
loss of innocence
1636
01:13:03,963 --> 01:13:06,048
that made them
that much more scary
1637
01:13:06,048 --> 01:13:08,676
because it spoke
to our own loss.
1638
01:13:08,676 --> 01:13:11,846
For those born
into a generation
of stranger danger,
1639
01:13:11,846 --> 01:13:14,557
where missing kids appeared
on every milk carton,
1640
01:13:14,557 --> 01:13:16,559
clowns represented a world
1641
01:13:16,559 --> 01:13:18,686
that had turned
almost evil overnight,
1642
01:13:18,686 --> 01:13:20,980
and that's because
it's here in Chicago
1643
01:13:20,980 --> 01:13:22,857
where the notion
of killer clowns
1644
01:13:22,857 --> 01:13:24,775
became a reality.
1645
01:13:24,775 --> 01:13:25,901
News Reporter:
Police found
the decomposed remains
1646
01:13:25,901 --> 01:13:27,695
of three bodies.
1647
01:13:27,695 --> 01:13:29,989
They suspect there are several
more bodies buried here.
1648
01:13:29,989 --> 01:13:32,992
Joshua:
And the most
evil of them all was Pogo,
1649
01:13:32,992 --> 01:13:36,579
the alter ego of one of the
most prolific serial killers
1650
01:13:36,579 --> 01:13:40,166
in all of history,
John Wayne Gacy.
1651
01:13:43,419 --> 01:13:45,630
Gacy was a sadistic
serial killer
1652
01:13:45,630 --> 01:13:47,548
who brutally slayed
33 young men
1653
01:13:47,548 --> 01:13:52,219
between 1972 and 1978
in the Chicago suburbs.
1654
01:13:52,219 --> 01:13:55,973
Though many have portrayed
Gacy as an actual killer clown,
1655
01:13:55,973 --> 01:13:57,767
the truth behind
his demented persona
1656
01:13:57,767 --> 01:13:59,310
is not so simple.
1657
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,285
How many bodies
did you find here?
1658
01:14:16,285 --> 01:14:18,996
BOB EGAN:
Twenty-nine,
twenty-seven under the house...
1659
01:14:18,996 --> 01:14:20,373
Uh-hm.
1660
01:14:20,373 --> 01:14:22,500
In the crawlspace,
one under the driveway...
1661
01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:26,629
And one under an extension
that he put on the garage.
1662
01:14:26,629 --> 01:14:28,005
Joshua:
This is Bob Egans ,
1663
01:14:28,005 --> 01:14:30,049
a former prosecutor
on the Gacy case,
1664
01:14:30,049 --> 01:14:32,843
and Cook County detective
Jason Moran.
1665
01:14:32,843 --> 01:14:34,845
BOB EGAN:
When we first saw
the Pogo the Clown pictures,
1666
01:14:34,845 --> 01:14:36,639
we went, oh my God,
1667
01:14:36,639 --> 01:14:38,307
is this guy acting as a clown
to get victims--
1668
01:14:38,307 --> 01:14:41,727
that's what we thought,
but it wasn't that at all.
1669
01:14:41,727 --> 01:14:44,105
He was doing that because
he was the center of attention,
1670
01:14:44,105 --> 01:14:45,439
and everything he did
1671
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,108
was to make himself
the center of attention.
1672
01:14:47,108 --> 01:14:49,110
I still don't like clowns.
1673
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:51,987
( Chuckles ) And I'm an adult
with a gun and a badge.
1674
01:14:51,987 --> 01:14:53,948
And it might be
from being a child
1675
01:14:53,948 --> 01:14:57,910
during that time because
if you look at Pogo the Clown,
1676
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:59,829
he was a very creepy clown.
1677
01:14:59,829 --> 01:15:02,707
If you look at the pictures,
the make-up around his eyes
1678
01:15:02,707 --> 01:15:05,376
when he was portraying Pogo,
was triangular,
1679
01:15:05,376 --> 01:15:08,921
and the make-up around his mouth
came up to points.
1680
01:15:08,921 --> 01:15:11,298
Clown experts said
clowns do not have
1681
01:15:11,298 --> 01:15:13,676
any sharp points
on their faces.
1682
01:15:13,676 --> 01:15:14,969
Why?
1683
01:15:14,969 --> 01:15:17,805
Because it scares kids
and it connotes evil.
1684
01:15:17,805 --> 01:15:20,057
And so do you think
Gacy did this on purpose
1685
01:15:20,057 --> 01:15:21,851
to connote evil?
1686
01:15:21,851 --> 01:15:22,977
It was subconscious?
No, I don't think at all.
1687
01:15:22,977 --> 01:15:23,853
I think it was
purely coincidental.
1688
01:15:23,853 --> 01:15:25,229
He wasn't--
1689
01:15:25,229 --> 01:15:26,856
I don't think he was
thinking of that for one second.
1690
01:15:26,856 --> 01:15:28,899
I'm telling you, that's exactly
what we believed at the time.
1691
01:15:28,899 --> 01:15:31,694
Pogo the clown issue
was the subject
1692
01:15:31,694 --> 01:15:33,738
of a lot of conversation
during the trial prep.
1693
01:15:35,865 --> 01:15:38,826
Joshua:
Although Gacy never did
kill anyone dressed as a clown,
1694
01:15:38,826 --> 01:15:42,163
he did tell police clowns
could get away with murder,
1695
01:15:42,163 --> 01:15:44,915
leading many to believe
his signature clown look
1696
01:15:44,915 --> 01:15:48,669
was in fact a true reflection
of his inner evil self.
1697
01:15:52,715 --> 01:15:55,050
Ken Melvoin-Berg
is a noted historian
1698
01:15:55,050 --> 01:15:58,804
who understands
the dark side of a clown.
1699
01:15:58,804 --> 01:16:01,015
It doesn't matter the type
of mask that you're putting on--
1700
01:16:01,015 --> 01:16:02,224
whether it's a clown face--
1701
01:16:02,224 --> 01:16:04,101
it's to hide who you are
a little bit
1702
01:16:04,101 --> 01:16:06,020
and to be somebody
a little bit different.
1703
01:16:06,020 --> 01:16:08,856
It's oftentimes the opposite
of what we portray ourselves
1704
01:16:08,856 --> 01:16:10,066
in our day-to-day lives.
1705
01:16:10,066 --> 01:16:12,985
So somebody who is
a truly evil person like Gacy
1706
01:16:12,985 --> 01:16:17,323
puts it on
to sort of offset that.
1707
01:16:17,323 --> 01:16:19,283
Bill Ellis:
What happens
when people costume
1708
01:16:19,283 --> 01:16:23,245
is that they're playing with
these internal personalities--
1709
01:16:23,245 --> 01:16:26,999
they're repressing
the normal ego--
1710
01:16:26,999 --> 01:16:29,919
and they are allowing
some internal personality
1711
01:16:29,919 --> 01:16:32,338
to become dominant.
1712
01:16:32,338 --> 01:16:34,465
And so you put on
the clown make-up
1713
01:16:34,465 --> 01:16:37,718
and you are
no longer yourself.
1714
01:16:37,718 --> 01:16:42,139
You then become someone
that is unpredictable,
1715
01:16:42,139 --> 01:16:45,559
possibly dangerous,
possibly violent.
1716
01:16:47,019 --> 01:16:48,229
Game on, my friend.
1717
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:51,941
( Chuckles )
1718
01:16:51,941 --> 01:16:54,026
( Horn Blows )
Ha-ha-ha-ha.
1719
01:16:54,026 --> 01:16:56,028
( Chuckles )
1720
01:16:56,028 --> 01:16:57,321
KEN MELVOIN-BERG:
Clowns have always been
1721
01:16:57,321 --> 01:16:58,781
a huge thing for us
here in Chicago
1722
01:16:58,781 --> 01:17:00,366
unlike any other
American city
1723
01:17:00,366 --> 01:17:03,410
where we have clowns
and clown stories
1724
01:17:03,410 --> 01:17:06,080
and clown mythology
and clown history
1725
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:09,208
that no other city
in the US has.
1726
01:17:09,208 --> 01:17:12,461
It started off a long time ago
in the 1890s
1727
01:17:12,461 --> 01:17:15,172
when the Columbian Exposition
brought clowns around
1728
01:17:15,172 --> 01:17:17,550
just to entertain folks.
1729
01:17:17,550 --> 01:17:19,218
Going forward in time
a little bit,
1730
01:17:19,218 --> 01:17:21,095
up into the 1950s,
like Bob Bell
1731
01:17:21,095 --> 01:17:23,097
who was the original
Bozo the Clown.
1732
01:17:23,097 --> 01:17:26,016
The Bozo set is still at WGN
in the building,
1733
01:17:26,016 --> 01:17:27,434
and it's allegedly haunted.
1734
01:17:27,434 --> 01:17:29,812
In the late '70s is when
you had John Wayne Gacy.
1735
01:17:29,812 --> 01:17:31,272
Shortly after is when
1736
01:17:31,272 --> 01:17:32,773
a clown panic happened.
1737
01:17:32,773 --> 01:17:34,984
So for people like me
who are a little bit sadistic,
1738
01:17:34,984 --> 01:17:37,278
to me it's made it
that much more interesting
1739
01:17:37,278 --> 01:17:38,487
because people
are that much more scared
1740
01:17:38,487 --> 01:17:39,989
of clowns these days.
1741
01:17:39,989 --> 01:17:42,575
The thing is
that all of the people
1742
01:17:42,575 --> 01:17:46,954
that were children
in the 1980s and 1990s
1743
01:17:46,954 --> 01:17:48,164
are adults now,
1744
01:17:48,164 --> 01:17:49,832
and are telling these
terrifying tales of clowns
1745
01:17:49,832 --> 01:17:51,250
to their children.
1746
01:17:51,250 --> 01:17:54,169
Speaking of the connection
to clowns in Chicago,
1747
01:17:54,169 --> 01:17:56,547
the one site that you guys
have got to see
1748
01:17:56,547 --> 01:17:59,592
if you haven't been there before
is Showmen's Rest
1749
01:17:59,592 --> 01:18:04,054
which is a monument
to the circus and clowns
1750
01:18:04,054 --> 01:18:05,890
in a cemetery.
1751
01:18:07,224 --> 01:18:08,809
Joshua:
Buried in Chicago
1752
01:18:08,809 --> 01:18:10,477
were the clowns
and other circus performers
1753
01:18:10,477 --> 01:18:12,062
who died in one of the worst
train wrecks
1754
01:18:12,062 --> 01:18:13,898
in American history.
1755
01:18:13,898 --> 01:18:15,816
On June 22, 1918,
1756
01:18:15,816 --> 01:18:18,152
after its conductor
fell asleep,
1757
01:18:18,152 --> 01:18:20,237
a train plowed
into the idle sleeper cars
1758
01:18:20,237 --> 01:18:23,032
of the
Hagenbeck-Wallace
circus.
1759
01:18:23,032 --> 01:18:25,201
Those who weren't killed
in the initial impact
1760
01:18:25,201 --> 01:18:28,370
burned to death after
the wooden cars caught on fire.
1761
01:18:30,372 --> 01:18:32,917
In all, 86 performers
were killed.
1762
01:18:32,917 --> 01:18:35,169
With so many burned
beyond recognition,
1763
01:18:35,169 --> 01:18:37,004
they were buried
in a mass grave
1764
01:18:37,004 --> 01:18:39,256
in a section
of the Chicago cemetery
1765
01:18:39,256 --> 01:18:41,884
called Showmen's Rest.
1766
01:18:41,884 --> 01:18:44,136
One of those who survived
was Joe Coyle,
1767
01:18:44,136 --> 01:18:45,596
a famously jovial clown
1768
01:18:45,596 --> 01:18:48,265
whose act became
perpetually sad and morose
1769
01:18:48,265 --> 01:18:50,976
as he took to dressing
in rags.
1770
01:18:50,976 --> 01:18:54,104
Coyle would play a sad clown
for the rest of his life.
1771
01:18:55,898 --> 01:18:57,358
Rachel:
Joe Coyle spoke bitterly
1772
01:18:57,358 --> 01:18:58,901
as he lay on a stretcher
1773
01:18:58,901 --> 01:19:00,653
and told how his wife
and two babies
1774
01:19:00,653 --> 01:19:03,530
had joined him only recently
and how all three
1775
01:19:03,530 --> 01:19:06,116
had been crushed to death
at his very side.
1776
01:19:06,116 --> 01:19:09,203
"The kiddies had been so glad
to see their daddy," he said,
1777
01:19:09,203 --> 01:19:11,497
"I wish I could have died
with them."
1778
01:19:24,259 --> 01:19:26,053
Joshua: Here, look. See that?
1779
01:19:26,053 --> 01:19:27,304
Rachel:
Baldy.
1780
01:19:27,304 --> 01:19:29,306
Joshua:
Baldy, 1918, June 22.
1781
01:19:29,306 --> 01:19:31,016
Rachel: They said they
only could name him Baldy
1782
01:19:31,016 --> 01:19:34,061
because that was the only name
they knew him by
1783
01:19:34,061 --> 01:19:35,980
was his stage name.
1784
01:19:35,980 --> 01:19:38,399
Joshua:
4 Horse Driver, 1918.
1785
01:19:38,399 --> 01:19:40,901
Rachel: Unknown male,
unknown male.
1786
01:19:40,901 --> 01:19:44,321
Joshua: Unknown male,
unknown male, unknown male.
1787
01:19:44,321 --> 01:19:45,990
All these graves
are unknown.
1788
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:48,284
Rachel: All these graves
are unknown.
1789
01:19:48,284 --> 01:19:50,119
Joshua:
Maybe it all started
in Chicago
1790
01:19:50,119 --> 01:19:52,246
with the deaths
of these clowns.
1791
01:19:52,246 --> 01:19:54,581
Maybe all it takes
is a little tragedy
1792
01:19:54,581 --> 01:19:57,001
to unlock the even
darker places
in our mind.
1793
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:01,505
One thing is for certain--
1794
01:20:01,505 --> 01:20:04,174
there's no going back
to the innocent clown.
1795
01:20:04,174 --> 01:20:07,011
The scales have been tipped
and the evidence proves it.
1796
01:20:07,011 --> 01:20:10,055
Clowns can do scary things.
1797
01:20:10,055 --> 01:20:12,141
They can even become killers.
1798
01:20:12,141 --> 01:20:14,268
( Sirens Wailing )
1799
01:20:14,268 --> 01:20:17,479
VOICE ON RADIO:
...314, shooting
at Century Theaters.
1800
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,399
14300,
East Alameda Avenue.
1801
01:20:20,399 --> 01:20:22,526
They're saying somebody
is shooting in the auditorium.
1802
01:20:22,526 --> 01:20:24,945
We got seven down
and ( indistinct ).
1803
01:20:24,945 --> 01:20:26,905
Seven down.
1804
01:20:26,905 --> 01:20:28,073
I've got a child victim--
I need Rescue.
1805
01:20:28,073 --> 01:20:29,241
( Simultaneous Talking)
1806
01:20:30,909 --> 01:20:33,454
News Reporter: Breaking news
coming out of Aurora, Colorado.
1807
01:20:33,454 --> 01:20:35,330
A scene
of a shooting this morning.
1808
01:20:35,330 --> 01:20:37,458
A movie theater
where "The Dark Knight Rises"
1809
01:20:37,458 --> 01:20:39,043
was being shown.
1810
01:20:39,043 --> 01:20:41,378
Joshua:
On July 20, 2012,
1811
01:20:41,378 --> 01:20:43,297
James Holmes commits
one of the worse mass shootings
1812
01:20:43,297 --> 01:20:45,174
in recent history.
1813
01:20:45,174 --> 01:20:47,176
But if the massacre itself
weren't horrific enough,
1814
01:20:47,176 --> 01:20:50,345
James's costuming
was an ominous testament
1815
01:20:50,345 --> 01:20:54,475
to the allure
of a very specific clown.
1816
01:20:54,475 --> 01:20:57,061
Clown in Movie:
Introduce a little anarchy,
1817
01:20:57,061 --> 01:21:02,775
upset the established order.
Then everything becomes chaos.
1818
01:21:05,361 --> 01:21:08,113
I'm an agent of chaos.
1819
01:21:08,113 --> 01:21:10,157
Joshua:
Holmes's embodiment
of The Joker,
1820
01:21:10,157 --> 01:21:11,742
a villain
who has come to represent
1821
01:21:11,742 --> 01:21:15,245
the ultimate destruction
of our civilized world
1822
01:21:15,245 --> 01:21:17,164
is no coincidence.
1823
01:21:17,164 --> 01:21:19,166
( Explosions )
1824
01:21:19,166 --> 01:21:21,668
In our never-ending attempts
to sanitize society,
1825
01:21:24,046 --> 01:21:28,258
we sometimes reap
what we sow.
1826
01:21:28,258 --> 01:21:30,010
Joe Durwin:
In a sense,
you can really look at it s as
1827
01:21:30,010 --> 01:21:31,762
a possible backlash.
1828
01:21:31,762 --> 01:21:35,224
He felt this compulsion
to water the clown down
1829
01:21:35,224 --> 01:21:39,353
into this cartoonish,
harmless being,
1830
01:21:39,353 --> 01:21:42,398
and maybe underlying traits
of the archetype
1831
01:21:42,398 --> 01:21:44,566
just came back
with a vengeance.
1832
01:21:44,566 --> 01:21:47,820
Joshua: Holmes's Joker-fueled
rampage not only signified
1833
01:21:47,820 --> 01:21:51,198
that the clown's transformation
from innocent to evil
1834
01:21:51,198 --> 01:21:54,201
was finally complete,
but it also revealed
1835
01:21:54,201 --> 01:21:58,163
what was truly lurking
inside of us all.
1836
01:21:58,163 --> 01:22:01,500
We think of ourselves as one,
and in fact we're really
1837
01:22:01,500 --> 01:22:05,170
kind of a parliament
of personalities.
1838
01:22:05,170 --> 01:22:10,050
The killer clown
is one of our personalities,
1839
01:22:10,050 --> 01:22:11,635
it's part of us.
1840
01:22:11,635 --> 01:22:14,596
And so therefore,
we have to be very careful
1841
01:22:14,596 --> 01:22:20,227
not to let the killer clown out
except, in a safe way--
1842
01:22:20,227 --> 01:22:21,562
except in a playful way.
1843
01:22:21,562 --> 01:22:24,231
( Evil Laugh )
1844
01:22:24,231 --> 01:22:25,482
See, madness as you know,
1845
01:22:25,482 --> 01:22:29,153
is like gravity.
1846
01:22:29,153 --> 01:22:31,321
All it takes
is a little push.
1847
01:22:31,321 --> 01:22:34,158
( Evil Laugh )
1848
01:22:37,244 --> 01:22:38,745
Joshua:
The babysitter killer,
1849
01:22:38,745 --> 01:22:41,582
the Hook Man,
the Halloween sadist,
1850
01:22:41,582 --> 01:22:43,876
the Killer Clown--
1851
01:22:43,876 --> 01:22:46,128
what can we learn
from these urban legends
1852
01:22:46,128 --> 01:22:49,631
and from the true crimes
that may have inspired them?
1853
01:22:49,631 --> 01:22:53,260
Maybe these monsters,
despite our overwhelming desire
1854
01:22:53,260 --> 01:22:57,097
to believe otherwise,
just aren't real.
1855
01:22:57,097 --> 01:22:58,765
By presenting
false boogeymen,
1856
01:22:58,765 --> 01:23:00,350
our urban legends
are helping us
1857
01:23:00,350 --> 01:23:03,896
to make sense of crimes
too wicked to comprehend.
1858
01:23:03,896 --> 01:23:06,481
Bill Ellis:
An urban legend,
even though it can be scary,
1859
01:23:06,481 --> 01:23:11,236
it's not nearly as scary
as the actual murderers
1860
01:23:11,236 --> 01:23:13,614
that live in the world
with us.
1861
01:23:13,614 --> 01:23:16,366
Joshua:
But peel back the
layers of any campfire tale,
1862
01:23:16,366 --> 01:23:18,535
and you'll understand
the inherent truth
1863
01:23:18,535 --> 01:23:20,829
that despite our need
to believe in an evil,
1864
01:23:20,829 --> 01:23:24,333
in a darker force,
it just isn't true.
1865
01:23:24,333 --> 01:23:26,335
In the end,
the only real boogeyman
1866
01:23:26,335 --> 01:23:28,587
is the one that lurks
inside of us all,
1867
01:23:28,587 --> 01:23:32,674
waiting for just
the right moment to emerge.
1868
01:23:32,674 --> 01:23:35,719
So what's the lesson
behind this cautionary tale?
1869
01:23:35,719 --> 01:23:37,471
The warning here is simple--
1870
01:23:37,471 --> 01:23:40,515
be afraid, not of the story,
1871
01:23:40,515 --> 01:23:41,892
but of the storyteller.
1872
01:23:43,352 --> 01:23:47,064
( Music Playing )
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