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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,835 --> 00:00:05,339 ( Silence ) 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:17,768 --> 00:00:20,896 ( Mellow Music ) 5 00:00:24,691 --> 00:00:26,944 Joshua Zeman: Every town has its legends. 6 00:00:26,944 --> 00:00:30,781 Every neighborhood has its boogeymen... 7 00:00:30,781 --> 00:00:34,284 a killer with a hook for a hand... 8 00:00:34,284 --> 00:00:37,496 a drifter who snatches children... 9 00:00:37,496 --> 00:00:40,540 the witch who lives in the woods. 10 00:00:40,540 --> 00:00:43,669 Ours growing up in Staten Island was Cropsey, 11 00:00:43,669 --> 00:00:47,256 about an escaped mental patient who lived in these buildings 12 00:00:47,256 --> 00:00:48,840 who would snatch children off the street. 13 00:00:51,802 --> 00:00:53,845 This urban legend turned real 14 00:00:53,845 --> 00:00:56,473 when five neighborhood children went missing. 15 00:00:59,518 --> 00:01:02,396 It was these disappearances that led us to examine 16 00:01:02,396 --> 00:01:05,399 the real crimes behind the Cropsey urban legend. 17 00:01:05,399 --> 00:01:07,568 News Reporter: A grisly discovery 18 00:01:07,568 --> 00:01:09,444 of an arm and a leg sticking out from a shallow grave. 19 00:01:09,444 --> 00:01:10,904 Johua: And what we discovered was a connection 20 00:01:10,904 --> 00:01:13,657 to an institution with a shocking history. 21 00:01:13,657 --> 00:01:15,492 This is what it looked like, 22 00:01:15,492 --> 00:01:18,287 but how can I tell you about the way it smelled. 23 00:01:18,287 --> 00:01:20,497 It smelled of filth, it smelled of disease, 24 00:01:20,497 --> 00:01:22,374 and it smelled of death. 25 00:01:22,374 --> 00:01:24,584 Joshua: Understanding the real story behind Cropsey 26 00:01:24,584 --> 00:01:27,671 inspired us to investigate other urban legends 27 00:01:27,671 --> 00:01:30,716 and the true crimes that may have influenced them, 28 00:01:30,716 --> 00:01:32,467 and what we uncovered 29 00:01:32,467 --> 00:01:35,137 was a truth more horrific than any fiction. 30 00:02:34,988 --> 00:02:37,532 This is where we thought that Cropsey lived, 31 00:02:37,532 --> 00:02:40,786 in these buildings here. 32 00:02:40,786 --> 00:02:42,913 It's very easy for an urban legend 33 00:02:42,913 --> 00:02:44,664 to come out of something like this. 34 00:02:44,664 --> 00:02:46,792 Yeah, and we didn't think anything of it 35 00:02:46,792 --> 00:02:50,087 until kids started going missing on Staten Island, 36 00:02:50,087 --> 00:02:53,840 and then we were like, Cropsey is real. 37 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,467 But do you think every urban legend 38 00:02:55,467 --> 00:02:56,718 has truth behind it? 39 00:02:56,718 --> 00:02:59,429 Yes, I think you have to have some form of like truth 40 00:02:59,429 --> 00:03:01,056 to gonna go off of. 41 00:03:01,056 --> 00:03:02,641 There's a lot of other urban legends 42 00:03:02,641 --> 00:03:03,975 in a lot of other communities 43 00:03:03,975 --> 00:03:05,352 that have some form of truth behind them. 44 00:03:05,352 --> 00:03:06,687 Uh-hm. 45 00:03:06,687 --> 00:03:08,855 And what's interesting is all these communities 46 00:03:08,855 --> 00:03:10,649 have all these places. 47 00:03:10,649 --> 00:03:12,484 Rachel Mills: Well, every kid is lured to 48 00:03:12,484 --> 00:03:17,656 or fascinated by the old house at the end of the block. 49 00:03:17,656 --> 00:03:19,408 These are the stories that fuel your nightmares, 50 00:03:19,408 --> 00:03:22,160 and these are the places that fuel your nightmares. 51 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:23,453 Joshua: So why are you here tonight? 52 00:03:23,453 --> 00:03:24,704 You hear stories. 53 00:03:24,704 --> 00:03:25,956 You just want to see what it's about, I guess. 54 00:03:25,956 --> 00:03:27,082 Joshua: What do you guys expect to find out here? 55 00:03:27,082 --> 00:03:29,334 People who died here are supposed to be the ghosts. 56 00:03:29,334 --> 00:03:31,294 Joshua: You believe that there are devil worshipers 57 00:03:31,294 --> 00:03:32,379 in the woods here? - Oh yeah, I do, I do. 58 00:03:32,379 --> 00:03:34,589 Somebody said they were doing freaky experiments 59 00:03:34,589 --> 00:03:36,591 and crap like that. 60 00:03:36,591 --> 00:03:39,469 Joshua: Why do we believe these urban legends? 61 00:03:39,469 --> 00:03:41,096 Maybe we need to believe 62 00:03:41,096 --> 00:03:45,642 because the reality is too much for some of us to bear. 63 00:03:45,642 --> 00:03:47,853 An old legend that actually happened this time... 64 00:03:47,853 --> 00:03:50,063 - Many more cases of contaminated treats... 65 00:03:50,063 --> 00:03:52,023 FEMALE VOICE: I know she suffered, a lot. 66 00:03:52,023 --> 00:03:53,525 VOICE ON TAPE: He pulled a knife 67 00:03:53,525 --> 00:03:55,485 and tied me up with electrical tape. 68 00:03:55,485 --> 00:03:56,778 Oh, God. 69 00:03:56,778 --> 00:03:59,364 Joshua: And so instead, we create our own monsters. 70 00:03:59,364 --> 00:04:00,782 News Reporter 1: The 36-year-old building contractor 71 00:04:00,782 --> 00:04:02,784 who reportedly dressed like a clown... 72 00:04:02,784 --> 00:04:03,952 News Reporter 2: At least three young boys 73 00:04:03,952 --> 00:04:05,871 buried under his house. 74 00:04:05,871 --> 00:04:07,497 Joshua: And maybe that's because 75 00:04:07,497 --> 00:04:10,834 the truth is more terrifying than we could ever imagine. 76 00:04:10,834 --> 00:04:12,586 - I got seven down and ( indistinct ). 77 00:04:12,586 --> 00:04:13,962 Seven down! 78 00:04:13,962 --> 00:04:16,673 I've got a child victim-- I need Rescue. 79 00:04:18,383 --> 00:04:20,510 Joshua: For Rachel and me, this is an attempt 80 00:04:20,510 --> 00:04:23,847 to uncover the source of our nightmares 81 00:04:23,847 --> 00:04:27,642 as we pull back the curtains on what it is we all fear-- 82 00:04:27,642 --> 00:04:31,146 because urban legends, as scary as they may be, 83 00:04:31,146 --> 00:04:35,192 are really just warnings for something much more dangerous-- 84 00:04:35,192 --> 00:04:38,153 the reality that may have started it all. 85 00:04:46,453 --> 00:04:47,996 The Hook is one of the oldest 86 00:04:47,996 --> 00:04:50,707 and also one of the scariest urban legends. 87 00:04:50,707 --> 00:04:52,959 A teenage couple are making out in their car 88 00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:54,961 while parked at a lover's lane. 89 00:04:54,961 --> 00:04:56,922 As the two are about to go all the way, 90 00:04:56,922 --> 00:04:58,507 the radio interrupts them. 91 00:04:58,507 --> 00:04:59,966 ( Background On Radio ) ...Are killed by an L.A. gunman... 92 00:04:59,966 --> 00:05:01,426 Joshua: A crazed maniac with a hook for a hand 93 00:05:01,426 --> 00:05:03,804 has escaped from the local insane asylum. 94 00:05:03,804 --> 00:05:05,514 The frightened girl demands to go home 95 00:05:05,514 --> 00:05:08,767 as the frustrated boy guns the engine. 96 00:05:08,767 --> 00:05:11,811 Later, as the boyfriend goes to open his date's door, 97 00:05:11,811 --> 00:05:13,897 he sees dangling from the door handle, 98 00:05:13,897 --> 00:05:18,527 the maniac's bloody hook, ripped from the socket. 99 00:05:18,527 --> 00:05:19,736 The Hook urban legend 100 00:05:19,736 --> 00:05:24,282 probably came to be in the mid-1950s. 101 00:05:24,282 --> 00:05:26,701 One of the interesting appearances of The Hook 102 00:05:26,701 --> 00:05:28,954 was in November 1960 103 00:05:28,954 --> 00:05:31,248 when it actually appeared in the Dear Abby column, 104 00:05:31,248 --> 00:05:33,708 and it's something that a lot of people would have read. 105 00:05:35,585 --> 00:05:37,295 Joshua: But Dear Abby wasn't warning teenagers 106 00:05:37,295 --> 00:05:40,507 about escaped madmen with hooks for hands. 107 00:05:40,507 --> 00:05:42,843 Urban legends are more mysterious than that 108 00:05:42,843 --> 00:05:45,011 and never quite so literal. 109 00:05:45,011 --> 00:05:48,014 Despite its name, The Hook is a cautionary tale 110 00:05:48,014 --> 00:05:54,729 warning teenagers everywhere about the dangers of sex. 111 00:05:54,729 --> 00:05:56,606 STEPHEN WINICK: The Hook urban legend captured something 112 00:05:56,606 --> 00:05:59,276 in the era that people were interested in. 113 00:05:59,276 --> 00:06:02,112 It captured a certain amount of danger being involved 114 00:06:02,112 --> 00:06:07,868 in teenage sexual behavior and in teenage car culture. 115 00:06:07,868 --> 00:06:10,161 Joshua: For the teenagers in Texarkana, Texas, 116 00:06:10,161 --> 00:06:12,998 this wasn't just some cautionary tale. 117 00:06:12,998 --> 00:06:15,292 In the early spring of 1946, 118 00:06:15,292 --> 00:06:17,002 a masked man known as The Phantom 119 00:06:17,002 --> 00:06:18,712 attacked four couples, 120 00:06:18,712 --> 00:06:21,172 most of whom were parked on lover's lanes. 121 00:06:21,172 --> 00:06:22,674 The attacks, which killed five, 122 00:06:22,674 --> 00:06:24,843 were said to coincide with the full moon, 123 00:06:24,843 --> 00:06:27,262 hence the nickname The Moonlight Murders. 124 00:06:27,262 --> 00:06:28,847 And although there were numerous suspects, 125 00:06:28,847 --> 00:06:31,182 The Phantom was never caught, 126 00:06:31,182 --> 00:06:34,686 allowing his enduring legacy to haunt this town 127 00:06:34,686 --> 00:06:36,479 for more than six decades. 128 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:46,656 So this is South Robeson and this old Highway 67. 129 00:06:46,656 --> 00:06:49,367 The murder site is somewhere around here, 130 00:06:49,367 --> 00:06:52,120 but that's what we've got to kind of figure out. 131 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,831 Joshua: It was a rainy Sunday morning on March 24 132 00:06:54,831 --> 00:06:57,584 when a passing motorist noticed Richard Griffin's Oldsmobile 133 00:06:57,584 --> 00:07:01,129 parked on a Lover's Lane off Highway 67. 134 00:07:01,129 --> 00:07:03,923 Inside he found Griffin, age 29, 135 00:07:03,923 --> 00:07:07,886 and Polly Ann Moore, 17, lying in the backseat. 136 00:07:07,886 --> 00:07:12,098 Both had been shot in the back of the head. 137 00:07:12,098 --> 00:07:13,433 Joshua: Hey, guys, how are you doing? 138 00:07:13,433 --> 00:07:14,351 Rachel: What we're doing is 139 00:07:14,351 --> 00:07:16,770 we're investigating The Phantom Killer. 140 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:19,689 They had a lot of speculations on who did it, 141 00:07:19,689 --> 00:07:21,608 but it was never-- 142 00:07:21,608 --> 00:07:23,234 no one was ever brought to justice. 143 00:07:23,234 --> 00:07:24,986 Did you hear stories growing up? 144 00:07:24,986 --> 00:07:27,614 All I ever heard was don't go to Spring Lake Park. 145 00:07:27,614 --> 00:07:28,573 Really? Uh-hm. 146 00:07:28,573 --> 00:07:31,117 Why? It's kind of creepy out there, 147 00:07:31,117 --> 00:07:33,286 so we were always afraid to go there. 148 00:07:33,286 --> 00:07:34,621 Joshua: But did you still go? 149 00:07:34,621 --> 00:07:35,580 No. 150 00:07:35,580 --> 00:07:36,831 Joshua: We're having a little trouble 151 00:07:36,831 --> 00:07:38,625 finding out where the area is because everything's changed. 152 00:07:38,625 --> 00:07:41,586 Well, I can take you out there to the road 153 00:07:41,586 --> 00:07:43,713 and point to almost the spot. 154 00:07:43,713 --> 00:07:44,631 Right about there. 155 00:07:44,631 --> 00:07:45,882 Uh-huh. 156 00:07:45,882 --> 00:07:46,925 Joshua: On that side? 157 00:07:46,925 --> 00:07:49,010 On that side. 158 00:07:49,010 --> 00:07:50,720 Joshua: Like the couple in the urban legend, 159 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:51,971 Griffin and Moore had been attacked 160 00:07:51,971 --> 00:07:53,765 while parked on Lover's Lane, 161 00:07:53,765 --> 00:07:56,851 highlighting the warning behind this campfire tale, 162 00:07:56,851 --> 00:07:59,145 but what the residents in Texarkana didn't know-- 163 00:07:59,145 --> 00:08:01,690 because it wasn't reported in the papers-- 164 00:08:01,690 --> 00:08:05,944 were the horrific details behind this real-life crime. 165 00:08:05,944 --> 00:08:09,364 They had found evidence of blood and a blanket... 166 00:08:09,364 --> 00:08:10,281 Uh-hm. 167 00:08:10,281 --> 00:08:12,367 And they believe that she was raped 168 00:08:12,367 --> 00:08:13,702 out in front of the car 169 00:08:13,702 --> 00:08:17,205 and then put back in the car. 170 00:08:17,205 --> 00:08:18,456 JAMES PRESLEY: The first double murder 171 00:08:18,456 --> 00:08:20,250 didn't cause a lot of excitement. 172 00:08:20,250 --> 00:08:22,711 All kinds of crimes were going on in Texarkana, 173 00:08:22,711 --> 00:08:26,715 but they didn't recognize until sometime later 174 00:08:26,715 --> 00:08:29,259 that this is a different kind of crime. 175 00:08:29,259 --> 00:08:32,971 The term "serial killer" wasn't in vogue then... 176 00:08:32,971 --> 00:08:36,182 And no one recognized this as a serial killing. 177 00:08:36,182 --> 00:08:38,810 The main suspect was Youell Swinney 178 00:08:38,810 --> 00:08:41,020 who was an ex-convict. 179 00:08:41,020 --> 00:08:43,064 Joshua: Youell Swinney and his newlywed bride, 180 00:08:43,064 --> 00:08:44,941 a former prostitute named Peggy, 181 00:08:44,941 --> 00:08:47,902 had been arrested for stealing cars. 182 00:08:47,902 --> 00:08:49,279 Under questioning, the wife confessed 183 00:08:49,279 --> 00:08:51,239 that her husband was The Phantom, 184 00:08:51,239 --> 00:08:53,658 but refused to sign a statement. 185 00:08:53,658 --> 00:08:55,285 Although the case quickly fell apart, 186 00:08:55,285 --> 00:08:58,163 the judge still sent Swinney away for life 187 00:08:58,163 --> 00:09:00,999 as a habitual car thief. 188 00:09:00,999 --> 00:09:03,084 No evidence directly correlating... 189 00:09:03,084 --> 00:09:05,253 JAMES: No physical evidence. 190 00:09:05,253 --> 00:09:07,464 They had his wife's statement, 191 00:09:07,464 --> 00:09:10,175 but they could not use that without her permission. 192 00:09:10,175 --> 00:09:12,802 There had been a lot of other suspects, hundreds. 193 00:09:12,802 --> 00:09:14,179 People had theories 194 00:09:14,179 --> 00:09:16,931 and all kinds of rumors had been bouncing around, 195 00:09:16,931 --> 00:09:20,852 but it's normal in any event, especially when there's mystery 196 00:09:20,852 --> 00:09:23,980 as there was always mystery in this one. 197 00:09:23,980 --> 00:09:27,776 Texarkana is nothing like other towns. 198 00:09:27,776 --> 00:09:31,070 It seems to be wallowing in the notoriety. 199 00:09:31,070 --> 00:09:33,281 Documentary team in town 200 00:09:33,281 --> 00:09:35,408 to shoot a part of Texarkana history. 201 00:09:35,408 --> 00:09:37,285 This week, some Texarkana residents 202 00:09:37,285 --> 00:09:39,162 will have the chance to appear onscreen 203 00:09:39,162 --> 00:09:41,748 in a documentary film of The Phantom Killer. 204 00:09:41,748 --> 00:09:43,208 So what should we make of all this? 205 00:09:43,208 --> 00:09:45,293 The conclusion is simple-- 206 00:09:45,293 --> 00:09:47,253 Texarkana will never escape its past. 207 00:09:47,253 --> 00:09:48,797 We should give up trying. 208 00:09:55,804 --> 00:09:58,264 Joshua: It was a half moon on February 22 209 00:09:58,264 --> 00:10:00,308 when Jimmy Hollis, age 24, 210 00:10:00,308 --> 00:10:02,393 and Mary Jeanne Larey, 19, 211 00:10:02,393 --> 00:10:05,271 were attacked on a secluded Lover's Lane. 212 00:10:05,271 --> 00:10:08,650 Both survived after a car scared the assailant away. 213 00:10:11,945 --> 00:10:13,363 Around midnight, 214 00:10:13,363 --> 00:10:15,156 Mary Jeanne Larey and Jimmy Hollis 215 00:10:15,156 --> 00:10:17,117 were making out in the front seat of their car. 216 00:10:17,117 --> 00:10:20,328 All of a sudden, a guy appears with a gun, 217 00:10:20,328 --> 00:10:22,789 wearing a mask over his head, white, 218 00:10:22,789 --> 00:10:25,291 two holes cut out for eyes and mouth. 219 00:10:25,291 --> 00:10:27,252 He tells her to run. 220 00:10:27,252 --> 00:10:31,923 He chases her down and then starts to attack her, 221 00:10:31,923 --> 00:10:34,843 basically sexually assaults her with the barrel of his gun. 222 00:10:34,843 --> 00:10:37,345 She said she'd much rather have been killed like the others 223 00:10:37,345 --> 00:10:39,848 than to have been left the way she was. 224 00:10:41,975 --> 00:10:44,060 Joshua: While the attacks on lover's lanes in Texarkana 225 00:10:44,060 --> 00:10:46,271 didn't specifically involve a hook, 226 00:10:46,271 --> 00:10:48,189 The Phantom's sickening crimes 227 00:10:48,189 --> 00:10:52,360 created an equally horrifying metaphor. 228 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,362 STEPHEN: One of the victims was actually sexually assaulted 229 00:10:54,362 --> 00:10:56,322 with the barrel of a gun, 230 00:10:56,322 --> 00:10:59,909 and so we have the idea of a foreign metal object 231 00:10:59,909 --> 00:11:02,120 being used in this way which seems to be 232 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,123 psychologically behind the idea of The Hook. 233 00:11:05,123 --> 00:11:07,917 In The Hook story, we have the hook 234 00:11:07,917 --> 00:11:11,462 about to penetrate the car when the boy drives away 235 00:11:11,462 --> 00:11:14,299 and the hook is then ripped from the hand of the murderer. 236 00:11:14,299 --> 00:11:17,135 So we have the idea of penetration 237 00:11:17,135 --> 00:11:20,305 with a foreign metal object as already part of that story, 238 00:11:20,305 --> 00:11:24,601 and that in fact happened in the Texarkana cases. 239 00:11:24,601 --> 00:11:26,978 Joshua: But the sexual assault was only part 240 00:11:26,978 --> 00:11:30,023 of The Phantom's trademark signature. 241 00:11:30,023 --> 00:11:31,149 These two people are the only ones 242 00:11:31,149 --> 00:11:34,068 who ever saw The Phantom. 243 00:11:34,068 --> 00:11:36,070 Both... wearing masks. 244 00:11:36,070 --> 00:11:38,239 Joshua: Right, they both said the guy was wearing a mask. 245 00:11:38,239 --> 00:11:39,616 So this is the whole thing, 246 00:11:39,616 --> 00:11:42,785 where the whole white mask thing came from. 247 00:11:42,785 --> 00:11:46,164 The Phantom's disguise was another chilling detail 248 00:11:46,164 --> 00:11:47,707 as it also helped to popularize 249 00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:50,168 the most widely known retelling of the murders 250 00:11:50,168 --> 00:11:55,590 in the 1976 cult classic, "The Town That Dreaded Sundown." 251 00:11:55,590 --> 00:11:58,176 The movie was thought to be one of the first slasher films, 252 00:11:58,176 --> 00:12:00,345 having predated Halloween by two years, 253 00:12:00,345 --> 00:12:02,305 and its take on The Phantom 254 00:12:02,305 --> 00:12:06,601 would influence generations of cinematic boogeymen. 255 00:12:06,601 --> 00:12:08,603 The director, Charles B. Pierce, 256 00:12:08,603 --> 00:12:11,022 blurred the lines between fact and fiction 257 00:12:11,022 --> 00:12:14,901 by telling the film in full documentary style. 258 00:12:14,901 --> 00:12:19,238 CHARLES B. PIERCE: It was Sunday, March 3, 1946-- 259 00:12:19,238 --> 00:12:21,032 the beginning of a reign of terror 260 00:12:21,032 --> 00:12:25,286 for the people of Texarkana, a terror so indelibly imprinted 261 00:12:25,286 --> 00:12:29,540 that today, people still speak of it fearfully-- 262 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:32,794 Only the names have been changed. 263 00:12:35,421 --> 00:12:37,215 CASEY ROBERTS: Now I think everybody in Texarkana 264 00:12:37,215 --> 00:12:39,550 knows about the story of The Phantom Killer, 265 00:12:39,550 --> 00:12:41,219 but there's a lot of intermingling 266 00:12:41,219 --> 00:12:44,347 of facts and legend between the movie 267 00:12:44,347 --> 00:12:46,933 and the actual Phantom Killer case. 268 00:12:46,933 --> 00:12:48,393 Joshua: This is Casey Roberts, 269 00:12:48,393 --> 00:12:51,396 media manager at Texas A&M, Texarkana. 270 00:12:51,396 --> 00:12:53,398 He's done extensive research on the crimes 271 00:12:53,398 --> 00:12:55,692 and brought us to one of the locations where 272 00:12:55,692 --> 00:12:58,069 "The Town That Dreaded Sundown" was filmed. 273 00:12:58,069 --> 00:12:59,946 A lot the -- kind of landmarks 274 00:12:59,946 --> 00:13:02,407 from both the original case of The Phantom Killer 275 00:13:02,407 --> 00:13:04,158 and the movie The Town That Dreaded Sundown 276 00:13:04,158 --> 00:13:05,493 have gone away over the years, 277 00:13:05,493 --> 00:13:07,078 and this particular house here 278 00:13:07,078 --> 00:13:10,415 was used in one of the big scenes. 279 00:13:10,415 --> 00:13:11,833 Joshua: It was Friday, May 3, 280 00:13:11,833 --> 00:13:14,502 when Virgil and Katie Starks were attacked in their farmhouse 281 00:13:14,502 --> 00:13:16,754 just outside of town. 282 00:13:18,006 --> 00:13:20,049 Virgil was shot and killed in his armchair... 283 00:13:20,049 --> 00:13:21,175 ( Gunshot ) 284 00:13:21,175 --> 00:13:22,635 ( Scream ) 285 00:13:22,635 --> 00:13:25,346 while Katie, shot in the face, 286 00:13:25,346 --> 00:13:26,597 ran out of the house. 287 00:13:28,808 --> 00:13:31,269 Everybody seems convinced that Youell Swinney is the guy, 288 00:13:31,269 --> 00:13:32,979 but you're saying... 289 00:13:32,979 --> 00:13:35,606 Youell Swinney would have been easy to pin it on, 290 00:13:35,606 --> 00:13:38,026 and they needed to pin it on somebody. 291 00:13:38,026 --> 00:13:39,736 The one person that-- 292 00:13:39,736 --> 00:13:42,739 I haven't been satisfied he was cleared-- 293 00:13:42,739 --> 00:13:45,033 was a young man that committed suicide 294 00:13:45,033 --> 00:13:48,453 and left a note saying that he was The Phantom Killer. 295 00:13:48,453 --> 00:13:51,497 It's just part of the legend-- the son of a prominent family, 296 00:13:51,497 --> 00:13:54,000 and it had the connections to, you know, 297 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,044 cover up his dirty deed. 298 00:13:57,587 --> 00:13:59,547 Joshua: Hoping to dig up more information, 299 00:13:59,547 --> 00:14:01,382 we went searching through the microfiche 300 00:14:01,382 --> 00:14:03,176 of the Texarkana Gazette. 301 00:14:05,053 --> 00:14:06,637 Promising lead proves dud. 302 00:14:06,637 --> 00:14:09,390 So this is the mention of that, Youell Swinney. 303 00:14:09,390 --> 00:14:11,142 The officer had been trying to validate 304 00:14:11,142 --> 00:14:12,602 the story of a woman. 305 00:14:12,602 --> 00:14:14,353 The woman's statement followed so closely 306 00:14:14,353 --> 00:14:16,064 to the known facts of the case 307 00:14:16,064 --> 00:14:18,316 that they are almost positive that she was telling the truth, 308 00:14:18,316 --> 00:14:20,193 and at one point, they were almost to the point 309 00:14:20,193 --> 00:14:21,986 of announcing a break in the case. 310 00:14:21,986 --> 00:14:23,613 Subsequently, however, the woman said 311 00:14:23,613 --> 00:14:25,281 that neither she nor her husband 312 00:14:25,281 --> 00:14:30,161 had anything to do with the slayings. 313 00:14:30,161 --> 00:14:31,287 It's interesting. 314 00:14:31,287 --> 00:14:33,498 So they don't call him The Phantom at all in this, 315 00:14:33,498 --> 00:14:38,169 but we just saw, literally, 316 00:14:38,169 --> 00:14:40,171 the advertisement in the newspaper 317 00:14:40,171 --> 00:14:43,341 for the movie that is showing, The Phantom Speaks. 318 00:14:43,341 --> 00:14:46,219 This is the movie that they theoretically 319 00:14:46,219 --> 00:14:47,637 pulled the name from, 320 00:14:47,637 --> 00:14:49,388 and right here at the newspaper, 321 00:14:49,388 --> 00:14:50,681 one of the guys said, 322 00:14:50,681 --> 00:14:52,225 'well, why don't we call him something...' 323 00:14:52,225 --> 00:14:56,187 We need to call him something, let's call him The Phantom. 324 00:14:56,187 --> 00:14:58,397 We had just witnessed an important step 325 00:14:58,397 --> 00:15:00,525 in the creation of any urban legend-- 326 00:15:00,525 --> 00:15:02,360 the naming of the boogeyman. 327 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,656 Bill Ellis: One of the roles that urban legends play-- 328 00:15:06,656 --> 00:15:09,117 and this is an ancient function-- 329 00:15:09,117 --> 00:15:12,370 is that they will put a name on something 330 00:15:12,370 --> 00:15:16,040 that gives people fears or anxieties. 331 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:21,212 That gives the person some feeling of control. 332 00:15:21,212 --> 00:15:25,508 So give the murderer a name-- he's The Phantom murderer. 333 00:15:25,508 --> 00:15:29,470 Joshua: The mask, the movie, The Phantom. 334 00:15:29,470 --> 00:15:31,722 These were the crucial elements that would help create 335 00:15:31,722 --> 00:15:34,767 Texarkana's very own urban legend-- 336 00:15:34,767 --> 00:15:37,228 a legend that would only continue to grow 337 00:15:37,228 --> 00:15:39,647 with screenings of "The Town That Dreaded Sundown" 338 00:15:39,647 --> 00:15:43,818 held every year in Texarkana's Spring Lake Park. 339 00:15:43,818 --> 00:15:46,779 All of this area was part of Spring Lake Park... 340 00:15:46,779 --> 00:15:48,406 At the time and this is where-- 341 00:15:48,406 --> 00:15:50,575 a couple of the places where the murders happened. 342 00:15:50,575 --> 00:15:53,452 That was where Lover's Lane was. 343 00:15:53,452 --> 00:15:55,621 You basically set up the screening 344 00:15:55,621 --> 00:15:58,499 that you have of The Town That Dreaded Sundown 345 00:15:58,499 --> 00:16:01,252 at Spring Lake Park. 346 00:16:01,252 --> 00:16:04,130 Yes, we do it every October, and because of the history, 347 00:16:04,130 --> 00:16:07,675 we like the idea of having this out at Spring Lake Park 348 00:16:07,675 --> 00:16:10,428 since that's where some of the murders take place at. 349 00:16:10,428 --> 00:16:11,846 We started getting some phone calls saying 350 00:16:11,846 --> 00:16:13,514 that they didn't think it was right, 351 00:16:13,514 --> 00:16:15,766 that there were still families in town... 352 00:16:15,766 --> 00:16:19,562 That, you know, that was affected by this. 353 00:16:19,562 --> 00:16:20,313 The police concern was 354 00:16:21,522 --> 00:16:23,232 that it was going to cause somebody else 355 00:16:23,232 --> 00:16:26,402 to have the idea to start doing it again. 356 00:16:26,402 --> 00:16:28,696 A film crew was in town last month... 357 00:16:28,696 --> 00:16:30,781 And there's a new movie being made? 358 00:16:30,781 --> 00:16:33,451 What we've heard is that it was actually a remake 359 00:16:33,451 --> 00:16:34,827 of 'The Town That Dreaded Sundowns .' 360 00:16:34,827 --> 00:16:40,208 It's you know, just probably a more modern version of it. 361 00:16:40,208 --> 00:16:43,336 I've heard that the storyline of the movie 362 00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:47,131 is about a copycat that comes out 363 00:16:47,131 --> 00:16:51,761 from the screenings that happened at Spring Lake. 364 00:16:53,262 --> 00:16:55,306 Are you serious? 365 00:16:55,306 --> 00:16:57,808 That's the first I've heard about that. 366 00:16:57,808 --> 00:17:01,938 Well, you know, imitation of life, I guess. 367 00:17:01,938 --> 00:17:04,273 Joshua: While it may seem shocking to some, 368 00:17:04,273 --> 00:17:06,317 the screenings at Spring Lake Park 369 00:17:06,317 --> 00:17:09,612 were especially appropriate because it was here on April 14 370 00:17:09,612 --> 00:17:13,658 where The Phantom turned larger than life. 371 00:17:13,658 --> 00:17:14,951 Four hundred yards 372 00:17:14,951 --> 00:17:16,244 from the entrance to Spring Lake Park-- 373 00:17:16,244 --> 00:17:17,245 where the sign is-- 374 00:17:17,245 --> 00:17:20,581 they found Paul Martin's car empty. 375 00:17:20,581 --> 00:17:22,083 In yet another attack, 376 00:17:22,083 --> 00:17:24,168 not only had The Phantom murdered two teenagers 377 00:17:24,168 --> 00:17:25,753 in the center of town, 378 00:17:25,753 --> 00:17:27,672 but their deaths would incite a panic 379 00:17:27,672 --> 00:17:31,676 that would grip Texarkana and never let go. 380 00:17:31,676 --> 00:17:33,636 Betty Jo Booker, age 15, 381 00:17:33,636 --> 00:17:35,638 was a saxophonist for a high school band 382 00:17:35,638 --> 00:17:37,306 called The Rhythmaires 383 00:17:37,306 --> 00:17:40,768 that played weekend shows at the local VFW. 384 00:17:40,768 --> 00:17:43,521 At 1:30 a.m. that Saturday night, 385 00:17:43,521 --> 00:17:47,275 she left with a childhood friend named Paul Martin, age 16, 386 00:17:47,275 --> 00:17:49,944 who was supposed to drop her off at a slumber party. 387 00:17:52,405 --> 00:17:55,491 Rachel: Paul's body was found lying on its left side. 388 00:17:55,491 --> 00:17:56,951 Blood was found further down 389 00:17:56,951 --> 00:17:58,828 on the other side of the road by a fence. 390 00:18:04,584 --> 00:18:08,379 Right over here, Paul Martin's body was found. 391 00:18:08,379 --> 00:18:09,630 He had been shot twice, 392 00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:13,843 and then he crawled across the street, over to here, 393 00:18:13,843 --> 00:18:16,846 and then whoever did it shot him again twice. 394 00:18:16,846 --> 00:18:18,639 They said he put up a struggle. 395 00:18:18,639 --> 00:18:20,516 He had a bullet through his hand... 396 00:18:20,516 --> 00:18:21,517 Right. 397 00:18:21,517 --> 00:18:22,560 ...Raised his hand, 398 00:18:23,853 --> 00:18:26,564 probably begged not to be killed, and then... 399 00:18:26,564 --> 00:18:28,816 They found him at 6:30 in the morning. 400 00:18:28,816 --> 00:18:32,278 Betty Jo Booker was nowhere around. 401 00:18:32,278 --> 00:18:33,321 Joshua: Although supposedly 402 00:18:33,321 --> 00:18:34,530 only the names had been changed 403 00:18:34,530 --> 00:18:36,032 in The Town That Dreaded Sundown, 404 00:18:36,032 --> 00:18:37,867 one of the most egregious fictionalizations 405 00:18:37,867 --> 00:18:40,411 had Betty Jo Booker playing the trombone 406 00:18:40,411 --> 00:18:42,246 instead of the saxophone, 407 00:18:42,246 --> 00:18:45,458 the reason being to show a more terrifying demise. 408 00:18:45,458 --> 00:18:47,168 The scene was so memorable, 409 00:18:47,168 --> 00:18:50,338 some people in town actually think that's how she died. 410 00:18:53,633 --> 00:18:56,344 ( Grunts and Groans ) 411 00:19:01,432 --> 00:19:03,225 The actual site 412 00:19:03,225 --> 00:19:05,102 of where Betty Jo Booker's body was found, 413 00:19:05,102 --> 00:19:07,480 along the edge of a forgotten road, 414 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,315 had eluded many. 415 00:19:09,315 --> 00:19:10,608 Lost in time when a section of the park 416 00:19:10,608 --> 00:19:12,526 was turned into housing, 417 00:19:12,526 --> 00:19:15,780 this was one mystery we were determined to solve. 418 00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:17,865 Rachel: She was found two miles away 419 00:19:17,865 --> 00:19:20,284 from Martin's body. 420 00:19:20,284 --> 00:19:22,745 Joshua: The road's closed. 421 00:19:22,745 --> 00:19:26,457 Here's where we think this road continues on. 422 00:19:26,457 --> 00:19:28,376 See that line between those two trees? 423 00:19:28,376 --> 00:19:29,919 Totally. 424 00:19:29,919 --> 00:19:33,422 That's the road that's been overgrown. 425 00:19:33,422 --> 00:19:34,548 ( Whispers ) Keep that flashlight down. 426 00:19:34,548 --> 00:19:35,591 Just turn it down. 427 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,472 Look at that. 428 00:19:41,472 --> 00:19:42,807 This looked exactly like the older road. 429 00:19:42,807 --> 00:19:44,642 It is the old road basically 430 00:19:44,642 --> 00:19:46,852 that we just went through somebody's backyard to get to. 431 00:19:53,484 --> 00:19:54,777 ( Shrieks ) 432 00:19:54,777 --> 00:19:55,903 Rachel: What is it? 433 00:19:55,903 --> 00:19:57,113 Joshua: It's a huge spider web... 434 00:19:58,698 --> 00:20:03,160 It's halfway between the two ends. 435 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,914 This is Betty Jo Booker, 15 years old. 436 00:20:06,914 --> 00:20:09,083 Rachel: Shot twice, once to the left rib 437 00:20:09,083 --> 00:20:11,711 and once in the face, to the left cheek. 438 00:20:11,711 --> 00:20:13,379 Joshua: Well, she's fully clothed.... 439 00:20:13,379 --> 00:20:15,506 Rachel: Fully clothed, yeah. 440 00:20:15,506 --> 00:20:17,716 Joshua: Her overcoat has been buttoned up, 441 00:20:17,716 --> 00:20:19,844 and her hand was put in her pocket. 442 00:20:19,844 --> 00:20:25,683 Rachel: Strange. 443 00:20:25,683 --> 00:20:26,976 See that picture for a second? 444 00:20:35,901 --> 00:20:36,777 Joshua: Doesn't it look like it? 445 00:20:36,777 --> 00:20:38,863 It must. 446 00:20:38,863 --> 00:20:40,865 Joshua: Like if you're looking at it like that, 447 00:20:40,865 --> 00:20:42,158 add 60 years. 448 00:20:46,036 --> 00:20:47,246 Joshua: It could be. 449 00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:50,708 I feel bad, though. 450 00:20:50,708 --> 00:20:54,420 You know, we're never going to really know who killed her. 451 00:21:03,679 --> 00:21:05,890 Joshua: What happened to Paul Martin and Betty Jo Booker 452 00:21:05,890 --> 00:21:07,975 out on these roads over 60 years ago 453 00:21:07,975 --> 00:21:09,852 was horrific enough. 454 00:21:09,852 --> 00:21:11,812 Their deaths didn't need to be rewritten 455 00:21:11,812 --> 00:21:14,690 for more blood or gore. 456 00:21:14,690 --> 00:21:18,027 Coming out here, you realize that real life is just as scary 457 00:21:18,027 --> 00:21:22,072 as any horror film-- and sometimes even more. 458 00:21:28,329 --> 00:21:31,081 This is Marc Bledsoe, a former probation officer 459 00:21:31,081 --> 00:21:32,666 who was obsessed with the case 460 00:21:32,666 --> 00:21:34,168 and conducted his own investigation. 461 00:21:34,168 --> 00:21:37,213 I developed a passion, I guess in the '90s. 462 00:21:37,213 --> 00:21:40,841 I saw the film, of course, when I was a seventh grader, 463 00:21:40,841 --> 00:21:42,551 and I was pretty scared 464 00:21:42,551 --> 00:21:44,512 because of the way the film ends. 465 00:21:44,512 --> 00:21:45,596 It shows the boots 466 00:21:45,596 --> 00:21:47,515 and said he could still be walking the town. 467 00:21:47,515 --> 00:21:48,474 I wanted to know what the truth was. 468 00:21:50,601 --> 00:21:52,520 Joshua: Bledsoe was one of the only people 469 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,981 to interview Youell Swinney in recent years. 470 00:21:55,981 --> 00:21:57,775 Swinney, who was out of jail 471 00:21:57,775 --> 00:21:59,527 and living in a Texas nursing home, 472 00:21:59,527 --> 00:22:01,779 had suffered a stroke the year before, 473 00:22:01,779 --> 00:22:03,572 making his speech difficult to decipher. 474 00:22:11,664 --> 00:22:13,207 Fifty -- sixty years? 475 00:22:15,292 --> 00:22:18,671 But she said you and her were together 476 00:22:18,671 --> 00:22:20,548 at Spring Lake Park. 477 00:22:20,548 --> 00:22:22,800 Hear that? 478 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,802 They drove out there together at Spring Lake. What did he say? 479 00:22:31,976 --> 00:22:33,644 Rachel: No, I wasn't. 480 00:22:33,644 --> 00:22:34,895 MARK: Who do you think was the main... 481 00:22:34,895 --> 00:22:36,689 I don't know. 482 00:22:39,858 --> 00:22:41,026 You wish they'd catch him. 483 00:22:41,026 --> 00:22:42,486 Rachel: Hm, interesting. 484 00:22:55,416 --> 00:22:57,668 Hi. I just wanted to check one thing. 485 00:22:57,668 --> 00:22:59,545 They told me you all were videotaping? 486 00:22:59,545 --> 00:23:01,630 Have you all signed the thing? 487 00:23:01,630 --> 00:23:02,673 Rachel: Ugh! 488 00:23:02,673 --> 00:23:04,633 ( Background Talk ) 489 00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:05,926 I feel like there was more there. 490 00:23:05,926 --> 00:23:07,052 ( Groans ) 491 00:23:07,052 --> 00:23:10,514 ( Background Talk ) 492 00:23:10,514 --> 00:23:12,099 Joshua: Despite being so close, 493 00:23:12,099 --> 00:23:13,851 we still didn't have an answer as to who 494 00:23:13,851 --> 00:23:17,813 The Phantom really was-- and we probably never will. 495 00:23:17,813 --> 00:23:19,690 TV NARRATOR: What happened to The Phantom Killer 496 00:23:19,690 --> 00:23:21,984 no one really knows. 497 00:23:21,984 --> 00:23:24,945 Some believe he was convicted of another crime, 498 00:23:24,945 --> 00:23:29,241 and today he is still serving his term in a Kansas prison. 499 00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:30,993 Joshua: It's these lack of answers 500 00:23:30,993 --> 00:23:32,995 that allows a legend to endure 501 00:23:32,995 --> 00:23:35,748 for the teenagers in Texarkana. 502 00:23:35,748 --> 00:23:36,832 So, what do you think the next chapter is 503 00:23:36,832 --> 00:23:38,083 in that legend? 504 00:23:38,083 --> 00:23:40,544 Probably more ghost stories, 505 00:23:40,544 --> 00:23:45,841 maybe more kids trying to scare other kids. 506 00:23:45,841 --> 00:23:48,218 Do you think it will ever end? 507 00:23:48,218 --> 00:23:50,220 I think eventually it will fade out, 508 00:23:50,220 --> 00:23:52,723 but I wouldn't be able to say for how long. 509 00:23:52,723 --> 00:23:55,559 I mean, legends last for a long time. 510 00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:56,935 Joshua: So this is the tree where, 511 00:23:56,935 --> 00:23:58,687 because of the movies, some people think 512 00:23:58,687 --> 00:24:02,608 Betty Jo Booker was actually killed with the trombone. 513 00:24:02,608 --> 00:24:05,277 I think why this is so kind of important 514 00:24:05,277 --> 00:24:09,823 is because so many people believed the fiction, 515 00:24:09,823 --> 00:24:10,991 and the fiction became reality, 516 00:24:10,991 --> 00:24:12,201 and in this town-- 517 00:24:12,201 --> 00:24:14,078 I really think what's interesting is-- 518 00:24:14,078 --> 00:24:15,788 they can't separate the two. 519 00:24:15,788 --> 00:24:17,706 Well, I think it's more romantic, though, 520 00:24:17,706 --> 00:24:18,666 to believe in the myth 521 00:24:18,666 --> 00:24:21,377 than to have the facts in front of you. 522 00:24:21,377 --> 00:24:22,878 Joshua: You have the whole town coming out 523 00:24:22,878 --> 00:24:26,840 and watching a fictionalized version of that, 524 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,926 and that's just like little kids 525 00:24:28,926 --> 00:24:32,805 telling a fictionalized version of what really happened. 526 00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:35,099 That's what an urban legend is. 527 00:24:35,099 --> 00:24:37,810 Where does the truth end and the fiction begin? 528 00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:40,396 At this point, no one quite knows. 529 00:24:40,396 --> 00:24:43,774 NARRATOR: Texarkana today still looks pretty much the same, 530 00:24:43,774 --> 00:24:45,943 and if you should ask people here on the streets 531 00:24:45,943 --> 00:24:49,363 what they believe happened to The Phantom Killer, 532 00:24:49,363 --> 00:24:51,699 most would say that he is still living here 533 00:24:53,701 --> 00:24:55,285 and is walking free. 534 00:25:14,596 --> 00:25:16,140 So right now, we're driving into Houston. 535 00:25:16,140 --> 00:25:18,183 We're going to investigate the urban legend 536 00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:20,227 of the Candy Man. 537 00:25:20,227 --> 00:25:21,770 Joshua: The name Candy Man 538 00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:24,022 has a lot of urban legend references. 539 00:25:24,022 --> 00:25:27,109 Obviously, one of the most well-known is the film Candyman 540 00:25:27,109 --> 00:25:29,236 based on the Clive Barker short story 541 00:25:29,236 --> 00:25:32,406 about an urban legend expert investigating the boogeyman 542 00:25:32,406 --> 00:25:37,036 who haunts the Cabrini-Green housing projects in Chicago. 543 00:25:37,036 --> 00:25:39,872 VOICE: With my hook for a hand, 544 00:25:39,872 --> 00:25:44,710 I'll split you from your groin to your gullet. 545 00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:46,795 ( Screams and Grunts ) 546 00:25:46,795 --> 00:25:48,297 Joshua: Here the Candyman uses a hook, 547 00:25:48,297 --> 00:25:50,382 just like the well-known Hook urban legend 548 00:25:50,382 --> 00:25:52,801 where it was probably appropriated from, 549 00:25:52,801 --> 00:25:55,137 but the film's villain wasn't the first Candy Man. 550 00:25:55,137 --> 00:25:57,014 The original was, in fact, 551 00:25:57,014 --> 00:25:59,892 a very real monster behind one of the most horrific crimes 552 00:25:59,892 --> 00:26:01,602 anyone could ever imagine. 553 00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:06,815 Rachel: We've all heard the same story about Halloween. 554 00:26:06,815 --> 00:26:09,318 Little Johnny had been warned never to go trick-or-treating 555 00:26:09,318 --> 00:26:13,030 at any house he didn't know, but he didn't listen. 556 00:26:13,030 --> 00:26:14,865 Instead, he convinces his friends 557 00:26:14,865 --> 00:26:17,785 to go get candy from this one weird house. 558 00:26:17,785 --> 00:26:19,203 Later that night, 559 00:26:19,203 --> 00:26:20,871 as they're all digging through their loot, 560 00:26:20,871 --> 00:26:22,790 there's this scream. 561 00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:24,124 All the kids are rushed to the hospital, 562 00:26:24,124 --> 00:26:26,168 but it's too late. 563 00:26:26,168 --> 00:26:29,213 Johnny's dead from eating candy laced with poison, 564 00:26:29,213 --> 00:26:32,216 and all the other kids had their mouths ripped open 565 00:26:32,216 --> 00:26:34,885 from swallowing razor blades and glass. 566 00:26:34,885 --> 00:26:37,012 They never did catch the person who did it. 567 00:26:37,012 --> 00:26:39,264 Turns out, Halloween really comes from 568 00:26:39,264 --> 00:26:42,935 the ancient custom of druids collecting kids for sacrifices, 569 00:26:42,935 --> 00:26:45,813 and apparently these murders were committed by those 570 00:26:45,813 --> 00:26:47,773 who still carry on that evil tradition. 571 00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:52,069 Joshua: So does our modern-day custom of trick-or-treating 572 00:26:52,069 --> 00:26:56,031 really stem from evil druids and child sacrifices? 573 00:26:56,031 --> 00:26:58,492 It's highly unlikely, but there's no denying 574 00:26:58,492 --> 00:27:01,161 that something very sinister is out there 575 00:27:01,161 --> 00:27:04,665 instilling panic and inciting fear every Halloween. 576 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,836 FEMALE NARRATOR: There's one magical, 577 00:27:08,836 --> 00:27:11,922 haunted evening each year when all the scary creatures 578 00:27:11,922 --> 00:27:14,341 come out to prowl through every neighborhood. 579 00:27:14,341 --> 00:27:16,176 Most people enjoy having trick-or-treaters 580 00:27:16,176 --> 00:27:17,886 come to their doors, 581 00:27:17,886 --> 00:27:23,100 but there are a few people who will do things to hurt kids. 582 00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:25,352 Joshua: The first documented case of tainted candy 583 00:27:25,352 --> 00:27:28,272 happened on Long Island in 1964 584 00:27:28,272 --> 00:27:30,315 when a housewife named Helen Pfeil, 585 00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:32,442 upset with older kids for trick-or-treating, 586 00:27:32,442 --> 00:27:35,237 handed out dog biscuits, steel wool, 587 00:27:35,237 --> 00:27:37,114 and poison ant buttons. 588 00:27:37,114 --> 00:27:39,408 Although Pfeil testified that it was just a joke, 589 00:27:39,408 --> 00:27:42,494 she was still found guilty of endangering children. 590 00:27:42,494 --> 00:27:45,122 This fear really took root in the 1970s 591 00:27:45,122 --> 00:27:46,999 when outlets like Newsweek were reporting 592 00:27:46,999 --> 00:27:51,169 that several children had died from poison or tainted candy. 593 00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:54,131 Some schools stopped celebrating Halloween. 594 00:27:54,131 --> 00:27:56,592 They stopped using the word "Halloween," 595 00:27:56,592 --> 00:27:59,928 and they start talking about having a fall festival. 596 00:27:59,928 --> 00:28:05,434 New Jersey passed a law of specifying penalties for people 597 00:28:05,434 --> 00:28:08,395 who were caught contaminating Halloween treats. 598 00:28:08,395 --> 00:28:13,483 In the 1980s, hospitals began offering x-ray treats. 599 00:28:13,483 --> 00:28:15,444 ANNOUNCER: All NextCare Urgent Care locations 600 00:28:15,444 --> 00:28:18,989 are offering free candy X-rays through tomorrow. 601 00:28:18,989 --> 00:28:20,616 We haven't had any instances 602 00:28:20,616 --> 00:28:22,284 where we found any tampered candy, 603 00:28:22,284 --> 00:28:23,744 but you read it in the news 604 00:28:23,744 --> 00:28:26,330 and you see all of these crazy pictures online, 605 00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:28,040 and so, you know, if I were a parent, 606 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,210 I would be a little bit concerned as well. 607 00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:34,838 Joel: We don't worry about ghosts and goblins anymore, 608 00:28:34,838 --> 00:28:36,340 but we fear this maniac, 609 00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:40,469 this anonymous person who is so crazy 610 00:28:40,469 --> 00:28:47,309 that he presumably he, poisons little children at random. 611 00:28:47,309 --> 00:28:48,310 ( Background Talking ) 612 00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:50,479 I think about how much fun Halloween is. 613 00:28:50,479 --> 00:28:53,273 I also worry a little bit about the things 614 00:28:53,273 --> 00:28:56,068 that can spoil the fun of Halloween. 615 00:28:56,068 --> 00:28:59,488 Those kinds of things scare me, too, but in a different way. 616 00:29:01,531 --> 00:29:03,241 Joshua: The one case of tainted candy 617 00:29:03,241 --> 00:29:05,994 that seemed to bring this nightmare to life 618 00:29:05,994 --> 00:29:09,623 happened on a rainy Halloween night in Pasadena, Texas. 619 00:29:09,623 --> 00:29:11,333 The perpetrator of this evil crime 620 00:29:11,333 --> 00:29:15,045 is known to some as the man who killed Halloween 621 00:29:15,045 --> 00:29:19,132 and to others as simply the Candy Man. 622 00:29:19,132 --> 00:29:22,135 On October 31, 1974, 623 00:29:22,135 --> 00:29:25,055 after trick-or-treating with their friends, the Bateses, 624 00:29:25,055 --> 00:29:28,058 Ronald O'Bryan let his son Timothy, age 8, 625 00:29:28,058 --> 00:29:30,060 and his sister Elizabeth, 5, 626 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:32,688 each pick out a piece of candy before bed. 627 00:29:32,688 --> 00:29:35,399 Timothy, still wearing his Planet of the Apes costume, 628 00:29:35,399 --> 00:29:37,192 chose a giant Pixy Styx, 629 00:29:37,192 --> 00:29:38,944 one of five that his father had gotten 630 00:29:38,944 --> 00:29:40,946 from a neighborhood house that night. 631 00:29:40,946 --> 00:29:43,240 Ronald had divvyed up the other Styx to his daughter, 632 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,574 one of the Bates' kids, 633 00:29:44,574 --> 00:29:47,202 and a local boy named Whitney Parker. 634 00:29:47,202 --> 00:29:48,912 The sugar inside had clumped together, 635 00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:51,039 so Ronald rolled the Styx in his hands 636 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,709 before pouring the powder down his son's throat. 637 00:29:53,709 --> 00:29:56,336 Minutes later, Timothy was violently vomiting, 638 00:29:56,336 --> 00:29:58,255 and after being rushed to the hospital, 639 00:29:58,255 --> 00:30:00,215 he was pronounced dead. 640 00:30:00,215 --> 00:30:02,718 The cause-- cyanide poisoning. 641 00:30:02,718 --> 00:30:06,221 I was off duty at the time on Halloween night 642 00:30:06,221 --> 00:30:10,017 when I received a call from one of my detectives. 643 00:30:10,017 --> 00:30:11,935 I drove to Southmore Hospital, 644 00:30:11,935 --> 00:30:14,312 and what I saw was very, very disturbing-- 645 00:30:14,312 --> 00:30:17,607 not only because there was a child there that was dead 646 00:30:17,607 --> 00:30:21,069 that had cyanide foam coming out of his mouth, 647 00:30:21,069 --> 00:30:25,282 but it was a small, blond-headed young boy, 648 00:30:25,282 --> 00:30:26,366 and I looked at this child-- 649 00:30:26,366 --> 00:30:30,245 and I had at the time a small, blond-headed, 650 00:30:30,245 --> 00:30:33,540 eight-year-old son lying in a bed in my home-- 651 00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:38,378 and it absolutely just almost destroyed you 652 00:30:38,378 --> 00:30:41,214 to see something like that. 653 00:30:41,214 --> 00:30:42,549 Joshua: Had you ever heard of the idea of 654 00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:44,968 candy tampering before that? 655 00:30:44,968 --> 00:30:46,219 ED: I had heard about it-- 656 00:30:46,219 --> 00:30:47,929 I had never seen it personally, 657 00:30:47,929 --> 00:30:52,017 but you know, you're always concerned on Halloween, 658 00:30:52,017 --> 00:30:56,188 and the next night we had a grieving father, 659 00:30:56,188 --> 00:30:59,524 a grieving mother, and a grieving little sister. 660 00:30:59,524 --> 00:31:02,152 I put my arm around Mr. O'Bryan's shoulder 661 00:31:02,152 --> 00:31:06,198 and I promised him, "I promise you we will catch 662 00:31:06,198 --> 00:31:08,825 this individual that did this to your son." 663 00:31:10,077 --> 00:31:12,329 Joshua: Timothy's death was a terrible blow, 664 00:31:12,329 --> 00:31:15,499 not just for the family, but for many in Pasadena. 665 00:31:15,499 --> 00:31:17,334 As crowds of O'Bryan's fellow churchgoers 666 00:31:17,334 --> 00:31:19,336 flooded the cemetery, 667 00:31:19,336 --> 00:31:22,422 Timothy's father quickly reduced the mourners to tears 668 00:31:22,422 --> 00:31:27,010 as he sang a hymn for the boy who was now in Heaven. 669 00:31:27,010 --> 00:31:29,513 I introduced myself to Mr. O'Bryan 670 00:31:29,513 --> 00:31:32,390 and said I'm a reporter for the Houston Chronicle. 671 00:31:32,390 --> 00:31:35,352 Is Mrs. O'Bryan available to talk? 672 00:31:35,352 --> 00:31:38,271 He said, you know, she's really, as we all are, 673 00:31:38,271 --> 00:31:41,274 just torn up about this, but if you want to talk, 674 00:31:41,274 --> 00:31:44,486 come on in, and I'll try to talk to you. 675 00:31:44,486 --> 00:31:47,447 And he said, you know, I held my son in my arms 676 00:31:47,447 --> 00:31:51,535 while he died, and I cried. 677 00:31:51,535 --> 00:31:54,162 I thought that they had been victimized 678 00:31:54,162 --> 00:31:58,041 by a random crazy man, lunatic. 679 00:31:58,041 --> 00:32:01,837 The original suspects were people in Pasadena 680 00:32:01,837 --> 00:32:04,840 who were living inhabitants of the homes 681 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,467 where they did the trick-or-treat. 682 00:32:07,467 --> 00:32:09,177 Rachel: 4108, 4106, 683 00:32:11,012 --> 00:32:12,389 -102. 684 00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:14,182 Joshua: Right here. 685 00:32:14,182 --> 00:32:15,851 4102. 686 00:32:15,851 --> 00:32:18,061 So right here is the Bates' house 687 00:32:18,061 --> 00:32:21,481 from where O'Bryan and the Bateses 688 00:32:21,481 --> 00:32:23,567 both went trick-or-treating. 689 00:32:23,567 --> 00:32:25,110 Joshua: After the funeral, 690 00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:27,320 the police took O'Bryan around the Bates' neighborhood, 691 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,572 but he couldn't remember the house 692 00:32:28,572 --> 00:32:30,490 where he had gotten the Pixy Styk. 693 00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:34,202 Finally, he ID'd a neighbor named Courtney Melvin. 694 00:32:34,202 --> 00:32:37,622 Ten, right here where this blue car is. 695 00:32:37,622 --> 00:32:40,083 This is Courtney Melvin's place, 696 00:32:40,083 --> 00:32:43,211 so basically Courtney was out on his lawn. 697 00:32:43,211 --> 00:32:45,672 O'Bryan was driving by, fingered this guy 698 00:32:45,672 --> 00:32:48,425 as being the person where he got the Pixy Styx. 699 00:32:48,425 --> 00:32:50,093 The only problem being 700 00:32:50,093 --> 00:32:52,220 Courtney Melvin had an airtight alibi. 701 00:32:54,472 --> 00:32:57,184 As the killer continued to elude police, 702 00:32:57,184 --> 00:32:58,685 the nature of his crime 703 00:32:58,685 --> 00:33:01,438 only seemed to confirm everyone's worst fears-- 704 00:33:01,438 --> 00:33:03,607 a fear that still resonates today. 705 00:33:03,607 --> 00:33:05,609 Do you know about the crime that happened? 706 00:33:05,609 --> 00:33:08,236 Oh, yes, you're talking about The Candy Man. 707 00:33:08,236 --> 00:33:09,488 Joshua: Yeah. 708 00:33:09,488 --> 00:33:11,239 Uh-hm. That was the first step 709 00:33:11,239 --> 00:33:13,283 that I heard of people doing that... 710 00:33:13,283 --> 00:33:15,660 And then I heard of them putting more cyanide 711 00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:17,579 and razor blades. 712 00:33:17,579 --> 00:33:19,247 I've heard fish hooks. 713 00:33:19,247 --> 00:33:21,666 The way society is getting right now, I mean, 714 00:33:21,666 --> 00:33:23,376 you don't ever know what's going to happen. 715 00:33:23,376 --> 00:33:26,630 I'm like, nope, no candy until I look, you know, through it. 716 00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:27,631 Rachel: What are you looking for? 717 00:33:27,631 --> 00:33:29,424 You know, an open wrapper, 718 00:33:29,424 --> 00:33:31,510 just seeing if anything has a hole in it. 719 00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:32,594 You don't trust nobody. 720 00:33:32,594 --> 00:33:34,763 - Joshua: Yeah. - Can't. 721 00:33:34,763 --> 00:33:36,348 I actually heard about some guy doing it 722 00:33:36,348 --> 00:33:37,390 in this neighborhood one time, but... 723 00:33:37,390 --> 00:33:38,808 What's that story. 724 00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:41,353 I think he actually lived over there by the ditch. 725 00:33:41,353 --> 00:33:44,522 And they do all sacrifice crap over there during Halloween. 726 00:33:44,522 --> 00:33:46,358 Do you think there are Satanists around? 727 00:33:46,358 --> 00:33:47,776 There probably is. 728 00:33:47,776 --> 00:33:49,361 I mean, knowing this neighborhood-- 729 00:33:49,361 --> 00:33:50,737 there are sickos around here. 730 00:33:50,737 --> 00:33:52,197 ON T.V: Tonight is Halloween 731 00:33:52,197 --> 00:33:54,658 and children will be out to trick-or-treat. 732 00:33:54,658 --> 00:33:56,701 We hope that the treats will be many 733 00:33:56,701 --> 00:33:58,495 and the tricks ingenious. 734 00:33:58,495 --> 00:34:00,330 But sometimes people give children 735 00:34:00,330 --> 00:34:02,499 bad things on Halloween. 736 00:34:02,499 --> 00:34:04,084 In Shreveport, Louisiana, 737 00:34:04,084 --> 00:34:06,503 an old legend that actually happened this time. 738 00:34:06,503 --> 00:34:08,004 Halloween is on Sunday, 739 00:34:08,004 --> 00:34:09,506 and there is a spreading fear that this year, 740 00:34:09,506 --> 00:34:11,007 the real Halloween scare 741 00:34:11,007 --> 00:34:13,927 will be many more cases of contaminated treats. 742 00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:17,847 Joel: The term that gets used is "Halloween sadist." 743 00:34:17,847 --> 00:34:20,267 People assume that the Halloween sadist 744 00:34:20,267 --> 00:34:24,271 was some crazy person who, for some reason-- 745 00:34:24,271 --> 00:34:28,483 presumably you know, some psychological problem-- 746 00:34:28,483 --> 00:34:31,820 gets pleasure or satisfaction from hurting little kids. 747 00:34:34,698 --> 00:34:36,408 Joshua: Many people believe 748 00:34:36,408 --> 00:34:38,868 the Halloween sadist was behind Timothy's death, 749 00:34:38,868 --> 00:34:41,246 but the real culprit was more horrific 750 00:34:41,246 --> 00:34:42,914 than anyone had ever imagined. 751 00:34:46,376 --> 00:34:48,962 It's down here, I think, on the left. 752 00:34:50,630 --> 00:34:52,757 All right, so Gray, how do you want to do this? 753 00:34:52,757 --> 00:34:54,509 I'll just, I'll hang back here. 754 00:34:54,509 --> 00:34:56,386 Joshua: Okay. So we're going to go up. 755 00:34:56,386 --> 00:34:57,512 I'm not totally into this. 756 00:34:57,512 --> 00:34:58,805 I can understand. 757 00:34:58,805 --> 00:35:00,515 I can understand why you'd want to do this... 758 00:35:00,515 --> 00:35:01,725 Joshua: Yeah. 759 00:35:01,725 --> 00:35:03,518 It just makes me feel a little uncomfortable. 760 00:35:03,518 --> 00:35:04,769 Knocking on someone's house 761 00:35:04,769 --> 00:35:07,522 and telling them what tragedy happened here. 762 00:35:07,522 --> 00:35:09,149 Joshua: Well, you wouldn't want to know? 763 00:35:14,612 --> 00:35:15,614 Oh, hey, how are you? 764 00:35:15,614 --> 00:35:17,407 Hi, how are you? 765 00:35:17,407 --> 00:35:19,284 Hey, sorry to bother you. We wanted to talk to you. 766 00:35:19,284 --> 00:35:21,328 We're doing a documentary and wanted to talk to you 767 00:35:21,328 --> 00:35:23,538 about the family that lived here before. 768 00:35:23,538 --> 00:35:24,456 Do you know him? 769 00:35:24,456 --> 00:35:25,457 Do you know Ronald Clark O'Bryan? 770 00:35:25,457 --> 00:35:26,416 WOMAN: Uh-uh. 771 00:35:26,416 --> 00:35:28,168 No, you have no idea about him? 772 00:35:31,254 --> 00:35:32,172 Nah, don't worry about it. 773 00:35:33,465 --> 00:35:34,883 Thanks very much. 774 00:35:34,883 --> 00:35:37,510 You want to know? Do you really want to know? 775 00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:38,845 Do you really want to know? 776 00:35:38,845 --> 00:35:40,638 So the guy who lived in here 777 00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:42,932 was a guy named Ronald Clark O'Bryan. 778 00:35:42,932 --> 00:35:45,018 He gave his son a poison Pixy Styk. 779 00:35:46,478 --> 00:35:48,104 Yeah. He killed... 780 00:35:49,689 --> 00:35:51,107 That's right. 781 00:35:53,693 --> 00:35:55,278 NEWS READER ON T.V: On Halloween night, 782 00:35:55,278 --> 00:35:57,947 eight-year-old Timothy O'Bryan of Pasadena, Texas, 783 00:35:57,947 --> 00:36:00,659 died after eating a piece of trick-or-treat candy 784 00:36:00,659 --> 00:36:02,327 that contained cyanide. 785 00:36:02,327 --> 00:36:04,954 Today Pasadena police arrested the boy's father, 786 00:36:04,954 --> 00:36:07,499 30-year-old Ronald O'Bryan, on murder charges. 787 00:36:07,499 --> 00:36:09,292 Police refused to discuss the case 788 00:36:09,292 --> 00:36:11,086 other than to say the district attorney believes 789 00:36:11,086 --> 00:36:14,047 he has sufficient evidence to file charges. 790 00:36:16,758 --> 00:36:19,552 Joshua: After receiving a call from an insurance agent, 791 00:36:19,552 --> 00:36:21,930 police discovered O'Bryan had taken out a large policy 792 00:36:21,930 --> 00:36:25,308 on his kids but not himself nor his wife. 793 00:36:25,308 --> 00:36:26,643 Even more damning, 794 00:36:26,643 --> 00:36:29,479 he had talked to numerous people about death by cyanide 795 00:36:29,479 --> 00:36:31,481 and had even tried to buy the chemical 796 00:36:31,481 --> 00:36:32,399 from local companies. 797 00:36:34,776 --> 00:36:36,861 All evidence pointed to Timothy's father 798 00:36:36,861 --> 00:36:39,572 as the killer which, as horrific as it sounds, 799 00:36:39,572 --> 00:36:41,533 makes some sense, 800 00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:44,577 and that's because the Halloween sadist is a myth, 801 00:36:44,577 --> 00:36:45,829 and the notion of candy tampering 802 00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:49,916 is really an urban legend. 803 00:36:49,916 --> 00:36:52,669 The idea that this is a big social problem is a myth. 804 00:36:52,669 --> 00:36:54,671 I can't tell you nobody has ever contaminated 805 00:36:54,671 --> 00:36:56,089 a piece of candy, 806 00:36:57,716 --> 00:37:02,137 but I can't find any evidence that anybody has ever been hurt, 807 00:37:02,137 --> 00:37:05,682 seriously hurt or killed, from a contaminated treat 808 00:37:05,682 --> 00:37:07,559 picked up in the course of trick-or-treating. 809 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:08,560 Joshua: If there's no such thing 810 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,811 as the Halloween sadist, 811 00:37:09,811 --> 00:37:12,730 who is, in fact, doing that? 812 00:37:12,730 --> 00:37:14,524 ( Chuckles ) Probably the kids. 813 00:37:14,524 --> 00:37:15,734 If you think about it, 814 00:37:15,734 --> 00:37:17,736 this is a terrific kind of prank. 815 00:37:17,736 --> 00:37:20,071 It's easy enough to come by a pin, 816 00:37:20,071 --> 00:37:22,574 easy enough to stick it in the candy bar, 817 00:37:22,574 --> 00:37:24,826 and then run in and say, look Mom, 818 00:37:24,826 --> 00:37:26,995 there's a pin in my candy bar-- 819 00:37:26,995 --> 00:37:29,956 and you become the object of the concerned attention 820 00:37:29,956 --> 00:37:32,917 of your parents and possibly even the press 821 00:37:32,917 --> 00:37:34,753 and the police. 822 00:37:34,961 --> 00:37:38,548 Joshua: While the fear of tainted candy may be hysteria, 823 00:37:38,548 --> 00:37:40,717 Timothy's death was real-- 824 00:37:40,717 --> 00:37:42,469 but was it really conceivable 825 00:37:42,469 --> 00:37:44,179 that a father could kill his own child-- 826 00:37:44,179 --> 00:37:49,559 and if so, what kind of monster was Ronald Clark O'Bryan? 827 00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:52,812 Look at that lying son of a bitch. 828 00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:55,607 I thought just like Mr. O'Bryan wanted us to think-- 829 00:37:55,607 --> 00:37:57,192 that there was some maniac out there 830 00:37:57,192 --> 00:38:01,696 randomly giving these poison Pixy Styx to little kids. 831 00:38:01,696 --> 00:38:03,490 That's exactly what he wanted us to think, 832 00:38:03,490 --> 00:38:04,866 and that's what we thought. 833 00:38:04,866 --> 00:38:10,705 It's hard to accept that a human being 834 00:38:10,705 --> 00:38:12,040 was willing to do that, 835 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,753 and it's still difficult for all of us. 836 00:38:16,753 --> 00:38:21,966 The people in this case were forever affected by what he did 837 00:38:21,966 --> 00:38:24,928 and by that, I mean the Bates kids-- 838 00:38:24,928 --> 00:38:27,889 he was going to kill his friends own two kids-- 839 00:38:27,889 --> 00:38:30,600 and little Whitney Parker, 840 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,935 and he would have killed his daughter 841 00:38:31,935 --> 00:38:34,604 if the ambulance and police hadn't gotten there so fast. 842 00:38:34,604 --> 00:38:38,191 No good prosecutor wants to go to trial at all on anything 843 00:38:38,191 --> 00:38:40,109 unless they believe in their own heart 844 00:38:40,109 --> 00:38:43,238 that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, 845 00:38:43,238 --> 00:38:45,824 and seeking the death penalty is just an extra dimension 846 00:38:45,824 --> 00:38:49,786 of care and consideration that should be given. 847 00:38:49,786 --> 00:38:50,662 You wanted to keep the case. 848 00:38:50,662 --> 00:38:52,247 I sure did. Why? 849 00:38:52,247 --> 00:38:53,665 I wanted to hopefully have a hand 850 00:38:53,665 --> 00:38:55,583 in seeing that justice was done 851 00:38:55,583 --> 00:38:57,168 and that he would die for what he did. 852 00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:01,464 Joshua: It took a jury only 45 minutes 853 00:39:01,464 --> 00:39:03,216 to find O'Bryan guilty 854 00:39:03,216 --> 00:39:06,511 and another 75 to sentence him to death. 855 00:39:06,511 --> 00:39:08,221 In a fitting irony, 856 00:39:08,221 --> 00:39:14,060 he was scheduled to die on October 31, 1976, Halloween. 857 00:39:14,060 --> 00:39:16,145 VOICE OF O'BRYAN: I have stated from the very beginning 858 00:39:16,145 --> 00:39:19,732 that I had absolutely nothing at all to do with this. 859 00:39:19,732 --> 00:39:21,568 I maintain that now, 860 00:39:21,568 --> 00:39:23,820 and I'll willing to take a polygraph now, 861 00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:25,989 just like I was from the very first time 862 00:39:25,989 --> 00:39:26,864 that they arrested me. 863 00:39:26,864 --> 00:39:28,825 Because I have no guilt, 864 00:39:28,825 --> 00:39:31,578 I'm not worried about what happens to my physical body. 865 00:39:31,578 --> 00:39:34,622 When I die, I know where I'm going. 866 00:39:34,622 --> 00:39:37,667 MIKE: You're going straight to hell, buddy. 867 00:39:37,667 --> 00:39:39,210 INTERVIEWER: All these appeals have been turned down 868 00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:41,004 appeal after appeal, and everybody is saying 869 00:39:41,004 --> 00:39:43,506 you will be executed this Saturday. 870 00:39:43,506 --> 00:39:46,009 This could be your last news conference. 871 00:39:46,009 --> 00:39:48,052 What are your final thoughts? 872 00:39:48,052 --> 00:39:49,053 VOICE OF O'BRYAN: As long as I have 873 00:39:49,053 --> 00:39:51,764 verifiable options open to me, 874 00:39:51,764 --> 00:39:53,308 I will pursue them. 875 00:39:53,308 --> 00:39:56,227 INTERVIEWER: Are you ever going to change 876 00:39:56,227 --> 00:39:58,730 your proclamation of innocence or... 877 00:39:58,730 --> 00:40:01,024 VOICE OF O'BRYAN: No, why should I? It's the truth. 878 00:40:01,024 --> 00:40:02,942 When you consider victims, 879 00:40:02,942 --> 00:40:06,362 the victim of this crime actually turns out to be me. 880 00:40:08,114 --> 00:40:09,616 Joshua: O'Bryan had been sent 881 00:40:09,616 --> 00:40:11,868 to Texas's infamous Huntsville Prison 882 00:40:11,868 --> 00:40:13,369 which to this day, 883 00:40:13,369 --> 00:40:15,747 houses the most active death chamber in the US, 884 00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:17,707 but this was 1982, 885 00:40:17,707 --> 00:40:19,959 and after a lengthy debate in the Supreme Court 886 00:40:19,959 --> 00:40:21,878 and numerous stays of execution, 887 00:40:21,878 --> 00:40:24,339 O'Bryan was to be one of the very first inmates 888 00:40:24,339 --> 00:40:27,967 to be executed with the reinstituted death penalty. 889 00:40:27,967 --> 00:40:29,677 Yet, despite his crime, 890 00:40:29,677 --> 00:40:32,555 O'Bryan still managed to find his supporters. 891 00:40:32,555 --> 00:40:33,473 There were people 892 00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:38,227 who were in favor of saving Ronald Clark O'Bryan 893 00:40:38,227 --> 00:40:40,021 in spite of the overwhelming evidence 894 00:40:40,021 --> 00:40:41,856 and the horror of the crime. 895 00:40:41,856 --> 00:40:43,107 Their position was 896 00:40:43,107 --> 00:40:46,986 we are categorically opposed to the death penalty. 897 00:40:46,986 --> 00:40:49,238 There also were counter-protestors 898 00:40:49,238 --> 00:40:51,741 who were in favor of the death penalty. 899 00:40:51,741 --> 00:40:53,701 They included a lot of students 900 00:40:53,701 --> 00:40:55,870 from the university located here 901 00:40:55,870 --> 00:40:58,331 including many who complained 902 00:40:58,331 --> 00:41:00,291 about what had happened to Halloween. 903 00:41:07,966 --> 00:41:09,133 This is Ronald Clark O'Bryan. 904 00:41:09,133 --> 00:41:11,761 Mr. O'Bryan is 39 years old. 905 00:41:11,761 --> 00:41:14,013 It looks like you are going to be executed. 906 00:41:14,013 --> 00:41:15,723 Would you agree with that? 907 00:41:15,723 --> 00:41:17,141 It's a possibility. 908 00:41:17,141 --> 00:41:18,851 I've been aware of that possibility 909 00:41:18,851 --> 00:41:20,937 since the sentence was handed down. 910 00:41:20,937 --> 00:41:22,814 It doesn't make it right. 911 00:41:22,814 --> 00:41:24,232 It's fair to say 912 00:41:24,232 --> 00:41:26,609 that nobody gets any joy out of executing anybody, 913 00:41:26,609 --> 00:41:29,070 but it is also clear that most Americans 914 00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:31,322 want to get on with this. 915 00:41:31,322 --> 00:41:33,908 They are upset that you're alive. 916 00:41:33,908 --> 00:41:36,744 I-I can see that point, sure, but here again, 917 00:41:36,744 --> 00:41:38,413 I don't think that revenge is right. 918 00:41:38,413 --> 00:41:40,707 I don't think society is entitled to revenge. 919 00:41:40,707 --> 00:41:44,168 You are accused of ruining Halloween for everybody. 920 00:41:44,168 --> 00:41:46,170 Well, that's a matter of opinion. 921 00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:49,132 ( Chuckles ) 922 00:41:49,132 --> 00:41:51,426 Joshua: March 31, 1984, 923 00:41:51,426 --> 00:41:54,929 the day of O'Bryan's execution had finally arrived. 924 00:41:54,929 --> 00:41:58,099 He was to be executed just after midnight. 925 00:41:58,099 --> 00:42:00,768 As the hour approached, the frenzy outside 926 00:42:00,768 --> 00:42:03,062 reached a fever pitch. 927 00:42:03,062 --> 00:42:05,148 News Reporter: Demonstrators were outside the prison 928 00:42:05,148 --> 00:42:08,025 waiting for the announcement they wanted to hear. 929 00:42:08,025 --> 00:42:11,154 Parents of other murdered children joined the vigil. 930 00:42:11,154 --> 00:42:13,114 You know, how could anyone do something to their own child? 931 00:42:13,114 --> 00:42:14,115 News Reporter: Dying together. 932 00:42:14,115 --> 00:42:15,783 What all of us would give 933 00:42:15,783 --> 00:42:17,493 to have the chance to have ours back. 934 00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:23,166 Joshua: Do you think Halloween will ever be the same again? 935 00:42:23,166 --> 00:42:26,794 Oh, I don't think Halloween has changed a great deal, 936 00:42:28,963 --> 00:42:30,840 except maybe gotten a little safer. 937 00:42:33,217 --> 00:42:35,261 Joshua: At exactly 12:40 a.m. 938 00:42:35,261 --> 00:42:38,139 O'Bryan was injected with a lethal cocktail of drugs, 939 00:42:38,139 --> 00:42:39,974 twice the normal amount, 940 00:42:39,974 --> 00:42:42,852 to account for his 250-pound weight. 941 00:42:42,852 --> 00:42:44,395 After O'Bryan's eyes fluttered, 942 00:42:44,395 --> 00:42:46,898 his chest heaved, and it was over. 943 00:42:49,150 --> 00:42:50,735 NEWS READER ON T.V: Ronald O'Bryan, 944 00:42:50,735 --> 00:42:52,820 the man fellow inmates called The Candy Man, 945 00:42:52,820 --> 00:42:55,031 was killed by lethal injection this morning 946 00:42:55,031 --> 00:42:56,866 at a Huntsville, Texas, prison. 947 00:42:56,866 --> 00:42:59,035 ON T.V: Ronald O'Bryan went to his deathbed 948 00:42:59,035 --> 00:43:02,163 never admitting that he killed his own son. 949 00:43:02,163 --> 00:43:03,289 ( Background Conversation ) 950 00:43:03,289 --> 00:43:04,707 SUSAN: But in a final statement, 951 00:43:04,707 --> 00:43:06,959 the condemned man did ask to be forgiven. 952 00:43:06,959 --> 00:43:10,004 ...Also to anyone I have offended in any way 953 00:43:10,004 --> 00:43:13,132 during my 39 years. 954 00:43:13,132 --> 00:43:15,218 I pray and ask your forgiveness, 955 00:43:15,218 --> 00:43:18,387 just as I forgive anyone who offended me in any way. 956 00:43:18,387 --> 00:43:20,473 SUSAN: Ronald O'Bryan is dead. 957 00:43:20,473 --> 00:43:24,227 His ex-wife sees the execution as the end of a nightmare, 958 00:43:24,227 --> 00:43:26,813 and a chance for a brand new beginning. 959 00:43:28,898 --> 00:43:31,400 Joshua: For many the idea that we were killing the man 960 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,737 who killed Halloween seemed justified. 961 00:43:34,737 --> 00:43:38,825 O'Bryan had to die so we could have our fun back. 962 00:43:38,825 --> 00:43:41,160 People were celebrating it, there's no question about it, 963 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,288 but it was kind of a catharsis, really, 964 00:43:44,288 --> 00:43:47,083 and people welcomed the event. 965 00:43:47,083 --> 00:43:51,838 He really had not just desecrated the family tie, 966 00:43:51,838 --> 00:43:54,382 but he had actually in some fundamental way 967 00:43:54,382 --> 00:43:58,010 desecrated the idea of Halloween 968 00:43:58,010 --> 00:44:04,809 by taking a scary story and literally making it true. 969 00:44:04,809 --> 00:44:06,269 What he did is 970 00:44:06,269 --> 00:44:08,062 he used the urban legend as a smokescreen. 971 00:44:08,062 --> 00:44:11,149 He used it as an alibi. 972 00:44:11,149 --> 00:44:12,441 I couldn't have done it 973 00:44:12,441 --> 00:44:14,569 because this is the sort of thing 974 00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:17,405 that an anonymous creepy killer would do, 975 00:44:17,405 --> 00:44:20,533 and we all know that because of urban legends. 976 00:44:20,533 --> 00:44:22,118 Joshua: In the ultimate irony, 977 00:44:22,118 --> 00:44:25,204 O'Bryan's decision to enact the tainted candy myth 978 00:44:25,204 --> 00:44:28,207 turned fiction into reality, 979 00:44:28,207 --> 00:44:32,003 allowing The Candy Man to continue haunting Halloween 980 00:44:32,003 --> 00:44:33,421 for generations to come. 981 00:44:35,423 --> 00:44:39,635 Look, it's right there. 982 00:44:43,014 --> 00:44:45,016 INTERVIEWER: Mr. O'Bryan, your case 983 00:44:45,016 --> 00:44:49,979 has probably created terror in the hearts of parents. 984 00:44:49,979 --> 00:44:52,398 In fact, I'm told that the inmates 985 00:44:52,398 --> 00:44:55,526 occasionally refer to you as The Candy Man, is that so? 986 00:45:02,491 --> 00:45:04,410 Joshua: A babysitter is watching TV 987 00:45:04,410 --> 00:45:05,995 after putting the kids to bed 988 00:45:05,995 --> 00:45:08,164 when she gets a call from a mysterious stranger. 989 00:45:08,164 --> 00:45:11,876 ( Phone Rings ) 990 00:45:11,876 --> 00:45:12,960 Hello. 991 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,754 Have you checked the children? 992 00:45:14,754 --> 00:45:16,464 What? 993 00:45:16,464 --> 00:45:18,174 Joshua: Thinking it's a prank, she hangs up. 994 00:45:18,174 --> 00:45:19,467 A few minutes later, 995 00:45:19,467 --> 00:45:20,843 the same mysterious man calls again. 996 00:45:20,843 --> 00:45:22,136 Hello? 997 00:45:22,136 --> 00:45:24,305 Have you checked the children? 998 00:45:24,305 --> 00:45:25,932 Joshua: Only now the question ends 999 00:45:25,932 --> 00:45:27,516 with a devilish laugh. 1000 00:45:27,516 --> 00:45:29,560 The babysitter reports the call. 1001 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,228 Hello, could you get me the police. 1002 00:45:31,228 --> 00:45:34,273 I've been getting weird phone calls. 1003 00:45:34,273 --> 00:45:36,108 Joshua: After a few minutes, a hurried voice calls back. 1004 00:45:36,108 --> 00:45:37,944 ( Phone Rings ) 1005 00:45:37,944 --> 00:45:39,403 Leave me alone! 1006 00:45:39,403 --> 00:45:40,696 SGT. SACHAR: Jill, this is Sergeant Sachar. 1007 00:45:40,696 --> 00:45:42,281 Listen to me. We've traced the call. 1008 00:45:42,281 --> 00:45:44,492 The caller is in the house. 1009 00:45:44,492 --> 00:45:47,036 The calls are coming from the house. 1010 00:45:47,036 --> 00:45:49,121 It's coming from inside the house. 1011 00:45:49,121 --> 00:45:51,457 Joshua: Just at that moment, the babysitter looks over 1012 00:45:51,457 --> 00:45:54,043 as a man is coming down the stairs. 1013 00:45:54,043 --> 00:45:56,629 ( Scream ) 1014 00:45:59,215 --> 00:46:02,218 Well, that really happened to a girl in my hometown. 1015 00:46:02,218 --> 00:46:05,054 ( Chuckles ) Oh, yes. I'm sure it did. 1016 00:46:05,054 --> 00:46:08,140 I'm sure most of you grew up 1017 00:46:08,140 --> 00:46:11,060 thinking that this happened to girls in all your hometowns, 1018 00:46:11,060 --> 00:46:13,229 but it didn't. 1019 00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:17,400 Joshua: Yes, the babysitter and the man upstairs 1020 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,193 is a popular urban legend, 1021 00:46:19,193 --> 00:46:21,612 but is there any truth behind it? 1022 00:46:21,612 --> 00:46:24,448 One would think so considering all these examples, 1023 00:46:24,448 --> 00:46:26,534 but when dealing with urban legends, 1024 00:46:26,534 --> 00:46:28,661 the truth is never quite what it seems. 1025 00:46:34,458 --> 00:46:36,043 Rachel: When I think babysitter, 1026 00:46:36,043 --> 00:46:37,420 I think about me babysitting as a teenager 1027 00:46:37,420 --> 00:46:40,089 and how fearful I was. 1028 00:46:40,089 --> 00:46:42,675 You know, being in a strange house, 1029 00:46:42,675 --> 00:46:46,137 hearing strange sounds, not being familiar, 1030 00:46:46,137 --> 00:46:47,388 but what was interesting 1031 00:46:47,388 --> 00:46:49,598 is that I started researching babysitters, 1032 00:46:49,598 --> 00:46:51,559 thinking that I wouldn't have a hard time 1033 00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:53,227 finding a case of a babysitter 1034 00:46:53,227 --> 00:46:56,731 by following some kind of death or kidnapping, 1035 00:46:56,731 --> 00:47:00,276 the children upstairs being killed or whatever. 1036 00:47:00,276 --> 00:47:03,070 It's very difficult to find any true crimes 1037 00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:04,447 to connect this urban legend line. 1038 00:47:04,447 --> 00:47:06,198 STEPHEN WINICK: One thing that's interesting 1039 00:47:06,198 --> 00:47:09,326 about babysitting is that it doesn't increase your danger 1040 00:47:09,326 --> 00:47:11,162 of being attacked at all. 1041 00:47:11,162 --> 00:47:13,581 It would be a completely random event 1042 00:47:13,581 --> 00:47:18,044 for a babysitter to be attacked during a house burglary, 1043 00:47:18,044 --> 00:47:21,464 but it induces anxiety because suddenly 1044 00:47:21,464 --> 00:47:24,008 they're responsible for these other people's kids, 1045 00:47:24,008 --> 00:47:25,634 and it has nothing to do with your potential 1046 00:47:25,634 --> 00:47:27,178 for becoming a crime victim-- 1047 00:47:27,178 --> 00:47:29,722 but it may be getting it expressed in stories 1048 00:47:29,722 --> 00:47:32,099 in which the babysitter becomes the crime victim. 1049 00:47:32,099 --> 00:47:33,726 Joshua: You would think with the amount of babysitters 1050 00:47:33,726 --> 00:47:35,603 getting killed in popular culture now, 1051 00:47:35,603 --> 00:47:38,147 like, we would have just like gotten a case immediately. 1052 00:47:38,147 --> 00:47:39,482 Oh, it took me to going back to the '50s 1053 00:47:39,482 --> 00:47:41,609 to actually find one. 1054 00:47:41,609 --> 00:47:44,195 We found this case of Janett Christman 1055 00:47:44,195 --> 00:47:47,198 here in Columbia, Missouri, which is why we're here. 1056 00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:58,584 My name is Carol Haley Holt, 1057 00:47:58,584 --> 00:48:03,255 and I was a very good friend of Janett Christman 1058 00:48:03,255 --> 00:48:07,802 from first grade through the time of her death. 1059 00:48:09,345 --> 00:48:14,183 It was March 18, 1950. 1060 00:48:14,183 --> 00:48:18,479 Janett was babysitting for the Romack family 1061 00:48:18,479 --> 00:48:21,065 out kind of in the west edge of Columbia-- 1062 00:48:21,065 --> 00:48:23,526 it really wasn't in the city limits. 1063 00:48:23,526 --> 00:48:26,695 It was kind of an eerie night. 1064 00:48:26,695 --> 00:48:31,075 I also was babysitting, and I just felt uneasy, 1065 00:48:31,075 --> 00:48:32,535 and that was unusual for me 1066 00:48:32,535 --> 00:48:34,745 because I did quite a bit of babysitting-- 1067 00:48:34,745 --> 00:48:39,333 but I just felt that something was going on about 12 o'clock, 1068 00:48:39,333 --> 00:48:41,377 and I even got up to check the door 1069 00:48:41,377 --> 00:48:42,503 and make sure it was locked, 1070 00:48:42,503 --> 00:48:43,462 went in to check the little boy-- 1071 00:48:43,462 --> 00:48:45,714 he was fine. 1072 00:48:45,714 --> 00:48:49,135 And then the next morning, the phone rang. 1073 00:48:49,135 --> 00:48:51,345 My mother went in to answer 1074 00:48:51,345 --> 00:48:53,222 and told me that Janett had been killed 1075 00:48:53,222 --> 00:48:54,098 while she was babysitting. 1076 00:48:55,641 --> 00:48:56,976 Joshua: I had heard that 1077 00:48:56,976 --> 00:48:59,562 there had been a phone call to the police. 1078 00:48:59,562 --> 00:49:02,231 Well, Mrs. Romack tried to call 1079 00:49:02,231 --> 00:49:06,402 to check on Janett with the thunder, 1080 00:49:06,402 --> 00:49:09,113 and she was afraid the little boy might wake up-- 1081 00:49:09,113 --> 00:49:12,408 and she tried to call and received a busy signal. 1082 00:49:12,408 --> 00:49:13,826 ( Busy Tone of Phone ) 1083 00:49:13,826 --> 00:49:15,494 Joshua: What the Romack family didn't know 1084 00:49:15,494 --> 00:49:17,204 is that Janett had called the police 1085 00:49:17,204 --> 00:49:18,873 while she was being attacked, 1086 00:49:18,873 --> 00:49:22,251 but the only thing they heard were desperate screams. 1087 00:49:22,251 --> 00:49:23,752 Unable to trace the call, 1088 00:49:23,752 --> 00:49:25,629 the police were helpless to stop her murder. 1089 00:49:28,674 --> 00:49:33,179 Janett had skin under her fingernails. 1090 00:49:36,182 --> 00:49:40,603 She had many abrasions on her body, 1091 00:49:40,603 --> 00:49:43,189 but the final thing was 1092 00:49:43,189 --> 00:49:46,775 that she was strangled with an ironing cord. 1093 00:49:49,236 --> 00:49:53,949 I know she suffered a lot before she finally succumbed. 1094 00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:57,953 Joshua: Janett Christman's death 1095 00:49:57,953 --> 00:50:00,331 shocked the small town of Columbia, Missouri, 1096 00:50:00,331 --> 00:50:02,416 but despite being one of the most publicized crimes 1097 00:50:02,416 --> 00:50:03,918 in the past 60 years, 1098 00:50:03,918 --> 00:50:06,712 her murder has never been solved. 1099 00:50:06,712 --> 00:50:09,924 So right now, we're looking for Ed Romack's house 1100 00:50:09,924 --> 00:50:12,134 where Janett Christman was murdered 1101 00:50:12,134 --> 00:50:14,428 while she was babysitting. 1102 00:50:14,428 --> 00:50:16,805 1015 should be somewhere along here. 1103 00:50:16,805 --> 00:50:18,641 Rachel: So then it must be that one. 1104 00:50:18,641 --> 00:50:22,311 That house right there? Right there, right there. 1105 00:50:22,311 --> 00:50:24,146 Joshua: Quick question for you, 1106 00:50:24,146 --> 00:50:26,398 is this where Ed Romack used to live? 1107 00:50:26,398 --> 00:50:27,441 Is that this house? 1108 00:50:27,441 --> 00:50:29,193 WOMAN: Maybe. 1109 00:50:29,193 --> 00:50:30,194 Joshua: But you don't know anything about it. 1110 00:50:34,198 --> 00:50:35,741 Joshua: Uh-hm. 1111 00:50:35,741 --> 00:50:38,911 About two years ago, this car pulled up 1112 00:50:38,911 --> 00:50:42,915 and they were out there talking and pointing here at this house, 1113 00:50:42,915 --> 00:50:45,417 and they said we're trying to figure out 1114 00:50:45,417 --> 00:50:49,672 which house where a girl was babysitting a little baby, 1115 00:50:49,672 --> 00:50:51,423 and she got murdered and raped. 1116 00:50:51,423 --> 00:50:52,549 Joshua: Uh-hm. 1117 00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:53,676 And I said, no, it's not this house, 1118 00:50:53,676 --> 00:50:54,593 it's that one. 1119 00:50:54,593 --> 00:50:56,053 Joshua: Uh-hm. 1120 00:50:56,053 --> 00:50:58,347 It was a man talking to me. He said, "I was the baby." 1121 00:50:58,347 --> 00:50:59,515 Joshua: No! 1122 00:50:59,515 --> 00:51:01,350 Rachel: Wow! 1123 00:51:01,350 --> 00:51:04,019 And a different woman that lived across West Boulevard, 1124 00:51:04,019 --> 00:51:05,771 and she had been raped and murdered 1125 00:51:05,771 --> 00:51:08,774 sometime within close to that time. 1126 00:51:08,774 --> 00:51:10,192 Joshua: Jenkins is it? Yes. 1127 00:51:10,192 --> 00:51:11,360 Joshua: Jenkins, right. 1128 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,362 We went to-- I went to the trial. Yeah. 1129 00:51:13,362 --> 00:51:15,531 Joshua: Marylou Jenkins was the other reason 1130 00:51:15,531 --> 00:51:17,366 we were in Columbia. 1131 00:51:17,366 --> 00:51:21,495 On February 6, 1946, Marylou, age 20, 1132 00:51:21,495 --> 00:51:22,788 was home alone while her mother was out 1133 00:51:22,788 --> 00:51:25,499 caring for an elderly neighbor. 1134 00:51:25,499 --> 00:51:27,876 The next morning she came home to find Marylou dead. 1135 00:51:27,876 --> 00:51:30,546 Much like Janett Christman's murder four years later, 1136 00:51:30,546 --> 00:51:32,339 Marylou had been raped and strangled 1137 00:51:32,339 --> 00:51:33,966 with an electrical cord. 1138 00:51:35,342 --> 00:51:37,803 A mentally-challenged man named Floyd Cochran 1139 00:51:37,803 --> 00:51:39,888 who had been arrested for killing his wife 1140 00:51:39,888 --> 00:51:42,975 was charged with the murder and quickly executed. 1141 00:51:42,975 --> 00:51:45,227 Do you think Floyd was innocent? 1142 00:51:45,227 --> 00:51:47,396 MARY BETH BROWN: I think he was likely innocent 1143 00:51:47,396 --> 00:51:49,857 of killing Marylou Jenkins, yes. 1144 00:51:49,857 --> 00:51:54,278 He did kill his wife in likely a domestic dispute, 1145 00:51:54,278 --> 00:51:56,905 but just from reading the trial transcripts, 1146 00:51:56,905 --> 00:51:58,699 it just didn't seem like he had the wherewithal 1147 00:51:58,699 --> 00:52:02,244 to kill and rape a young woman. 1148 00:52:02,244 --> 00:52:04,455 Joshua: Mary Beth Brown is a researcher 1149 00:52:04,455 --> 00:52:07,249 who helped shed new light on these old cold cases. 1150 00:52:07,249 --> 00:52:08,917 She believes the eerie similarities 1151 00:52:08,917 --> 00:52:11,503 between the Jenkins murder and the Christman murder 1152 00:52:11,503 --> 00:52:14,923 four years later only proves Cochran's innocence. 1153 00:52:14,923 --> 00:52:17,843 They were both young women, they were home by themselves, 1154 00:52:17,843 --> 00:52:20,471 they were both found with electrical cords 1155 00:52:20,471 --> 00:52:21,889 wrapped around their neck, 1156 00:52:21,889 --> 00:52:26,018 but cords that weren't attached or torn from the appliance-- 1157 00:52:26,018 --> 00:52:27,561 they were actually cut. 1158 00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:30,522 The whole location thing is the one that really gets me. 1159 00:52:30,522 --> 00:52:31,774 Joshua: Like how close was it? 1160 00:52:31,774 --> 00:52:33,359 MARY BETH BROWN: Within two blocks. 1161 00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:35,486 Joshua: Do you think that the same person 1162 00:52:35,486 --> 00:52:40,532 who killed Marylou Jenkins also killed Janett Christman? 1163 00:52:40,532 --> 00:52:44,078 That's my personal opinion, but yeah. 1164 00:52:44,078 --> 00:52:45,663 Joshua: And who do you think did it? 1165 00:52:45,663 --> 00:52:47,081 I've been told several people, 1166 00:52:47,081 --> 00:52:50,626 but more than any other name was Robert Mueller. 1167 00:52:50,626 --> 00:52:52,002 Joshua: Robert Mueller 1168 00:52:52,002 --> 00:52:53,962 was a high school friend of Ed Romack's, 1169 00:52:53,962 --> 00:52:55,631 and it was the Romack's house 1170 00:52:55,631 --> 00:52:57,716 where Janett was babysitting that night. 1171 00:52:57,716 --> 00:52:59,551 The Romacks told police that Mueller 1172 00:52:59,551 --> 00:53:01,970 had often commented on Janett being a virgin 1173 00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:05,808 and had eluded to knowing intimate details of the crime. 1174 00:53:05,808 --> 00:53:07,810 Although Mueller had been taken in for questioning 1175 00:53:07,810 --> 00:53:10,396 and passed a polygraph, the police still felt 1176 00:53:10,396 --> 00:53:12,648 there was enough evidence to arrest him. 1177 00:53:12,648 --> 00:53:15,025 However, a grand jury refused to indict, 1178 00:53:15,025 --> 00:53:17,528 and Mueller was never tried for Janett's murder. 1179 00:53:19,363 --> 00:53:21,990 Rachel: I am working on a documentary, 1180 00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:23,700 and I'm interested in a cold case 1181 00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:24,993 that I've been researching. 1182 00:53:24,993 --> 00:53:26,412 I wanted to see if there was any information 1183 00:53:26,412 --> 00:53:28,664 that you could give me. 1184 00:53:28,664 --> 00:53:29,790 Okay, is that-- 1185 00:53:29,790 --> 00:53:31,834 did you just like do something on your system 1186 00:53:31,834 --> 00:53:32,960 and you see there's nothing there? 1187 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,670 Joshua: Despite numerous efforts 1188 00:53:34,670 --> 00:53:35,879 to reach out to police, 1189 00:53:35,879 --> 00:53:38,173 they were less than responsive. 1190 00:53:38,173 --> 00:53:41,009 Christman's case was too old to warrant attention. 1191 00:53:41,009 --> 00:53:44,513 However, we were able to track down some old case files. 1192 00:53:44,513 --> 00:53:47,433 This deputy testified that Romack told him 1193 00:53:47,433 --> 00:53:50,060 Mueller had known Janett 1194 00:53:50,060 --> 00:53:53,689 and admired her well-developed form. 1195 00:53:53,689 --> 00:53:56,567 ( Aghast ) Oh my God! 1196 00:53:58,402 --> 00:54:00,487 There's her leg. 1197 00:54:00,487 --> 00:54:02,948 There's the phone. 1198 00:54:02,948 --> 00:54:07,035 That's the cord around her neck, right there. 1199 00:54:07,035 --> 00:54:11,582 It's one of those irons back then with the thick cords. 1200 00:54:11,582 --> 00:54:13,667 That's the window that was broken 1201 00:54:13,667 --> 00:54:15,627 that supposedly whoever did this went in and out of, 1202 00:54:15,627 --> 00:54:16,962 but the Venetian blinds-- 1203 00:54:16,962 --> 00:54:17,838 if someone were going through there-- 1204 00:54:17,838 --> 00:54:19,756 they'd be totally ripped up. 1205 00:54:19,756 --> 00:54:21,550 The piano, look. 1206 00:54:21,550 --> 00:54:23,719 That's the window-- oh, look. 1207 00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,345 Joshua: That's the broken glass 1208 00:54:25,345 --> 00:54:26,638 and that's why they're saying nothing is disturbed 1209 00:54:26,638 --> 00:54:28,724 because look at the area around it. 1210 00:54:28,724 --> 00:54:30,434 So, inside job. 1211 00:54:30,434 --> 00:54:31,602 Uh-hm. 1212 00:54:31,602 --> 00:54:33,145 Mueller's wife, according to the deputy, 1213 00:54:34,771 --> 00:54:37,399 had called the girl to baby sit at the Mueller home that night 1214 00:54:37,399 --> 00:54:39,860 and found she had already been asked by Mrs. Romack. 1215 00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:40,903 Joshua: So, Mueller tried to get her 1216 00:54:40,903 --> 00:54:41,904 to baby sit that night. 1217 00:54:41,904 --> 00:54:43,614 Must have been. 1218 00:54:43,614 --> 00:54:46,325 And she was already babysitting the Romacks-- 1219 00:54:49,453 --> 00:54:51,914 which was how he would know she would be alone. 1220 00:54:51,914 --> 00:54:53,499 I agree that it sounds like he did it, 1221 00:54:53,499 --> 00:54:57,461 but maybe, maybe he didn't. 1222 00:54:57,461 --> 00:55:00,214 There's no solid proof, no hard evidence. 1223 00:55:02,341 --> 00:55:05,677 Joshua: Joan Sorrels is another researcher studying the cases. 1224 00:55:05,677 --> 00:55:06,970 She believes other crimes 1225 00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:08,472 happening in Columbia at the time 1226 00:55:08,472 --> 00:55:10,849 might be connected to these murders. 1227 00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:12,226 There were rapes 1228 00:55:12,226 --> 00:55:15,521 that had occurred within that period 1229 00:55:15,521 --> 00:55:18,732 between the Jenkins murder and the Christman murder. 1230 00:55:18,732 --> 00:55:19,983 Tell me about those. 1231 00:55:19,983 --> 00:55:21,693 Yeah. Well, there was a rape 1232 00:55:21,693 --> 00:55:25,822 that was within two blocks of the Christman murder. 1233 00:55:25,822 --> 00:55:29,701 The girl was raped by a man that wore a mask... 1234 00:55:29,701 --> 00:55:30,953 Really? 1235 00:55:30,953 --> 00:55:31,954 And when you read the stories-- 1236 00:55:31,954 --> 00:55:33,997 the reports of the Christman murder-- 1237 00:55:33,997 --> 00:55:35,916 when they're talking about Robert Mueller, 1238 00:55:35,916 --> 00:55:39,545 it turns out that he was interested in the theater 1239 00:55:39,545 --> 00:55:42,548 and that he made masks. 1240 00:55:42,548 --> 00:55:46,218 There was a black man named Jake Bradford that they charged, 1241 00:55:46,218 --> 00:55:48,011 and he had already been in jail, 1242 00:55:48,011 --> 00:55:51,807 and he was charged on the rapes. 1243 00:55:51,807 --> 00:55:53,559 You assume he was innocent. 1244 00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:55,227 Of that. 1245 00:55:55,227 --> 00:55:58,689 They took the wrong man, they really did. 1246 00:55:58,689 --> 00:56:00,983 Would you say that Columbia has like a history of this? 1247 00:56:00,983 --> 00:56:02,734 Well, you remember that I was graduating 1248 00:56:02,734 --> 00:56:04,695 from high school in '51. 1249 00:56:04,695 --> 00:56:06,572 You would go to the MU football games 1250 00:56:06,572 --> 00:56:07,906 and you would stand up for Dixie. 1251 00:56:07,906 --> 00:56:10,033 What does that mean? 1252 00:56:10,033 --> 00:56:11,743 The song Dixies ... 1253 00:56:11,743 --> 00:56:12,995 Uh-hm, okay. 1254 00:56:12,995 --> 00:56:14,413 That's a confederate song. 1255 00:56:14,413 --> 00:56:15,914 Uh-hm. 1256 00:56:15,914 --> 00:56:20,043 Columbia was really primarily a confederate town. 1257 00:56:21,753 --> 00:56:24,965 Basically this is the story of a young girl... 1258 00:56:24,965 --> 00:56:27,342 Joshua: We came here to investigate an urban legend, 1259 00:56:27,342 --> 00:56:29,177 but what we found was truly shocking-- 1260 00:56:29,177 --> 00:56:31,513 the unsolved murders of two young girls, 1261 00:56:31,513 --> 00:56:34,057 a series of brutal rapes, and the possibility 1262 00:56:34,057 --> 00:56:38,645 that men were being falsely accused and even executed. 1263 00:56:38,645 --> 00:56:41,815 In all honesty, the truth was more unflinchingly real 1264 00:56:41,815 --> 00:56:43,859 than we could ever have imagined. 1265 00:56:43,859 --> 00:56:46,987 So right now, we are headed to Hinkson Creek. 1266 00:56:46,987 --> 00:56:49,031 Rachel: This is where a lot of people went to park 1267 00:56:49,031 --> 00:56:52,451 back in the '50s, and '40s, '50s, '60s and still do now. 1268 00:56:52,451 --> 00:56:53,368 Yeah. 1269 00:56:56,413 --> 00:56:57,956 We just wanted to see about all the other rapes 1270 00:56:57,956 --> 00:57:00,584 that were happening other than the two houses. 1271 00:57:00,584 --> 00:57:03,253 This is the creek where they're saying 1272 00:57:03,253 --> 00:57:05,547 there were a ton of rapes happening around here. 1273 00:57:11,178 --> 00:57:12,304 That. 1274 00:57:14,139 --> 00:57:16,224 This is where the college students go in, 1275 00:57:16,224 --> 00:57:17,934 and there's like a car right out over there 1276 00:57:17,934 --> 00:57:19,311 and they just flashed their lights 1277 00:57:19,311 --> 00:57:22,731 because they didn't want us to walk in on them. 1278 00:57:25,609 --> 00:57:26,860 What's down here? 1279 00:57:26,860 --> 00:57:29,029 Uh, where they dragged the girl. 1280 00:57:29,029 --> 00:57:32,741 Rachel: Dragged? - Dragged from the car. 1281 00:57:32,741 --> 00:57:34,660 There's a couple making out. 1282 00:57:34,660 --> 00:57:36,828 Some guy came out of nowhere 1283 00:57:36,828 --> 00:57:39,247 and then at gunpoint pulled one of the girls off 1284 00:57:39,247 --> 00:57:42,250 into the woods--and it was right near Halloween-- 1285 00:57:42,250 --> 00:57:46,088 and basically this guy put a mask over his head 1286 00:57:46,088 --> 00:57:49,633 and then he put a mask over the girl's face, 1287 00:57:49,633 --> 00:57:50,801 and then he raped her. 1288 00:57:50,801 --> 00:57:52,969 I think the more scary thing was being a woman, 1289 00:57:52,969 --> 00:57:58,100 being a girl between 1940 and 1950, in this area, 1290 00:57:58,100 --> 00:58:01,061 knowing the amount of things going on. 1291 00:58:01,061 --> 00:58:02,938 I wouldn't have wanted to be a babysitter back then. 1292 00:58:02,938 --> 00:58:05,023 I wouldn't have wanted to be by myself 1293 00:58:05,023 --> 00:58:06,316 in one of those houses. 1294 00:58:06,316 --> 00:58:10,278 Most teenagers in the US go through a period 1295 00:58:10,278 --> 00:58:12,322 when they baby sit at least once or twice, 1296 00:58:12,322 --> 00:58:16,743 and it feels very terrifying to the person who is doing it, 1297 00:58:16,743 --> 00:58:18,078 ( Eerie Music ) 1298 00:58:18,078 --> 00:58:20,288 but it's not actually dangerous almost at all. 1299 00:58:20,288 --> 00:58:22,708 I mean, there's no reason to imagine 1300 00:58:22,708 --> 00:58:25,252 that any killer would even know 1301 00:58:25,252 --> 00:58:27,713 that a babysitter was on duty in the house, 1302 00:58:27,713 --> 00:58:30,132 and it makes the most sense if you think about the fact 1303 00:58:30,132 --> 00:58:33,260 that maybe he knew she was going to be there babysitting 1304 00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:35,137 and maybe he did this specifically 1305 00:58:35,137 --> 00:58:37,347 to torment the babysitter, 1306 00:58:37,347 --> 00:58:39,307 and that is exactly what happened, 1307 00:58:39,307 --> 00:58:41,977 they think, in the Columbia case. 1308 00:58:41,977 --> 00:58:45,021 Joshua: Was somebody tormenting the babysitters in Columbia-- 1309 00:58:45,021 --> 00:58:47,899 and was the same person responsible for the sex crimes 1310 00:58:47,899 --> 00:58:49,818 that had terrorized this town-- 1311 00:58:49,818 --> 00:58:54,156 and finally was this same person Robert Mueller? 1312 00:58:54,156 --> 00:58:55,949 Hoping for some additional insight, 1313 00:58:55,949 --> 00:58:58,410 we turned to a profiler in Kansas City, 1314 00:58:58,410 --> 00:59:01,163 a former German national named Peter Brendt 1315 00:59:01,163 --> 00:59:03,165 who was willing to review our case. 1316 00:59:03,165 --> 00:59:07,002 So in your opinion, the same killer for both girls. 1317 00:59:07,002 --> 00:59:08,837 Yes. This is too specific 1318 00:59:08,837 --> 00:59:11,173 if you add all of the details together. 1319 00:59:11,173 --> 00:59:13,341 Do you think that Marylou Jenkins knew him? 1320 00:59:13,341 --> 00:59:16,386 Well, there was no sign of forced entry on the door, 1321 00:59:16,386 --> 00:59:21,224 so at least from the sight, she must have known him, 1322 00:59:21,224 --> 00:59:24,019 and he was non threatening to her. 1323 00:59:24,019 --> 00:59:26,980 Right. Now let's talk about Christman. 1324 00:59:26,980 --> 00:59:29,816 PETER: Oh, well, this is a lot more specifics . 1325 00:59:29,816 --> 00:59:31,943 If you see there comes an offender, 1326 00:59:31,943 --> 00:59:33,487 he breaks a window. 1327 00:59:33,487 --> 00:59:35,781 The victim runs to the kitchen where the phone is, 1328 00:59:35,781 --> 00:59:38,241 and he walks in through the front door. 1329 00:59:38,241 --> 00:59:40,744 Now, why would he do that? 1330 00:59:40,744 --> 00:59:43,747 He would do that only if he knew one detail-- 1331 00:59:43,747 --> 00:59:48,877 Ed Romack had shown her how to use the shortcut. 1332 00:59:48,877 --> 00:59:50,879 Joshua: Peter had brought up an interesting clue-- 1333 00:59:50,879 --> 00:59:52,506 one that many had overlooked. 1334 00:59:52,506 --> 00:59:54,257 Romack testified that he had shown Janett 1335 00:59:54,257 --> 00:59:56,718 a loaded shotgun by the front door. 1336 00:59:56,718 --> 00:59:58,220 By breaking the window, 1337 00:59:58,220 --> 01:00:00,013 Mueller would distract her away from the gun 1338 01:00:00,013 --> 01:00:03,475 so he could safely get inside the house. 1339 01:00:03,475 --> 01:00:07,103 He knew how long he would need around the house, 1340 01:00:07,103 --> 01:00:09,147 through the front door into the kitchen. 1341 01:00:09,147 --> 01:00:14,110 So he knew every feet of the route. 1342 01:00:14,110 --> 01:00:15,737 Do you think it was Mueller? 1343 01:00:15,737 --> 01:00:17,197 PETER: He fits the bill, 1344 01:00:17,197 --> 01:00:19,157 but a lot of other males of the town 1345 01:00:19,157 --> 01:00:21,034 would fit that bill, too. 1346 01:00:21,034 --> 01:00:24,287 And the problem is he passed his lie detector. 1347 01:00:24,287 --> 01:00:30,085 Now, if you have even 20% to 40% cycle passes it makes-- 1348 01:00:30,085 --> 01:00:32,003 a lie detector, 1349 01:00:32,003 --> 01:00:35,006 especially an old model from the '50s, 1350 01:00:35,006 --> 01:00:40,053 um, well, it's worthless. 1351 01:00:40,053 --> 01:00:41,429 Now the other interesting thing 1352 01:00:41,429 --> 01:00:45,058 is that the rapes and murders stopped when he left town. 1353 01:00:45,058 --> 01:00:48,395 Well, that looks not good on the other side. 1354 01:00:48,395 --> 01:00:53,441 What was it, half a million young males went to Korea? 1355 01:00:53,441 --> 01:00:56,570 So he wasn't the only one who left the area. 1356 01:00:56,570 --> 01:00:59,197 I mean he would so nicely fit the bill, 1357 01:00:59,197 --> 01:01:03,910 but that's the risky part with profiles, yeah? 1358 01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:06,121 A profile states not who the killer is 1359 01:01:06,121 --> 01:01:08,582 but what the killer is. 1360 01:01:08,582 --> 01:01:10,041 Rachel: I think it's interesting 1361 01:01:10,041 --> 01:01:12,294 that he thinks whoever this is, 1362 01:01:12,294 --> 01:01:15,839 he knew her-- he knew both. 1363 01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:17,173 Joshua: Although we'll never be able to prove 1364 01:01:17,173 --> 01:01:19,050 who committed all these crimes, 1365 01:01:19,050 --> 01:01:20,468 the evidence strongly suggests 1366 01:01:20,468 --> 01:01:23,805 that Janett Christman knew her killer. 1367 01:01:23,805 --> 01:01:28,560 There really is not a strong tradition in America 1368 01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:33,023 of strangers coming in and killing babysitters. 1369 01:01:33,023 --> 01:01:37,152 Babysitters killing small children, yes, 1370 01:01:37,152 --> 01:01:40,906 but the stranger on babysitter story 1371 01:01:40,906 --> 01:01:47,913 just doesn't connect up with a widespread real social fear. 1372 01:01:47,913 --> 01:01:49,497 ( Thumping ) 1373 01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:54,377 STEPHEN: What the babysitter and the man upstairs 1374 01:01:54,377 --> 01:01:57,339 seems to be about is this warning 1375 01:01:57,339 --> 01:01:59,257 about this kind of responsibility. 1376 01:01:59,257 --> 01:02:00,383 If you're taking this responsibility, 1377 01:02:00,383 --> 01:02:02,260 you have to take it seriously. 1378 01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:04,971 So, you have this voice that calls her up on the phone 1379 01:02:04,971 --> 01:02:06,598 and almost like a conscience, 1380 01:02:06,598 --> 01:02:08,475 asks have you checked the children, 1381 01:02:08,475 --> 01:02:10,435 and she hasn't checked the children, 1382 01:02:10,435 --> 01:02:13,021 and that's one of the reasons why she doesn't know 1383 01:02:13,021 --> 01:02:14,689 that they've been murdered. 1384 01:02:16,191 --> 01:02:18,235 Bill Ellis: I think it makes more sense 1385 01:02:18,235 --> 01:02:20,278 to look at it in a simple way 1386 01:02:20,278 --> 01:02:25,450 and say the babysitter is dealing with her own anxieties 1387 01:02:25,450 --> 01:02:30,163 of being potentially the cause of the children's death-- 1388 01:02:30,163 --> 01:02:34,542 and the killer upstairs is the killer upstairs for her. 1389 01:02:34,542 --> 01:02:36,503 Joshua: The tragic case of Janett Christman 1390 01:02:36,503 --> 01:02:39,172 only goes to prove Bill Ellis's point 1391 01:02:39,172 --> 01:02:42,968 that our portrayal of the man upstairs is incorrect-- 1392 01:02:42,968 --> 01:02:45,428 and that's because the truth is more terrifying 1393 01:02:45,428 --> 01:02:47,389 than we can ever imagine. 1394 01:02:47,389 --> 01:02:49,391 Janett Christman knew her killer, 1395 01:02:49,391 --> 01:02:51,935 and if it's true that her killer was Mueller 1396 01:02:51,935 --> 01:02:54,562 as so many in Columbia have suggested, 1397 01:02:54,562 --> 01:02:57,148 then the man tormenting her that fateful night 1398 01:02:57,148 --> 01:02:59,401 wasn't any stranger. 1399 01:02:59,401 --> 01:03:02,737 ( Phone Rings ) 1400 01:03:13,081 --> 01:03:15,375 So now we go from Columbia, Missouri, 1401 01:03:15,375 --> 01:03:17,961 to Chicago in the 1980s-- 1402 01:03:17,961 --> 01:03:19,671 from the small town to the big city. 1403 01:03:22,090 --> 01:03:25,093 For some, it is a loss of innocence, 1404 01:03:25,093 --> 01:03:29,180 and nothing speaks to that loss more than clowns. 1405 01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:31,141 ( CIrcus Music ) 1406 01:03:31,141 --> 01:03:33,601 We used to think of clowns as fairly happy characters. 1407 01:03:33,601 --> 01:03:36,021 Yes, sometimes they were sad or hapless, 1408 01:03:36,021 --> 01:03:38,565 but ultimately they were harmless caricatures. 1409 01:03:38,565 --> 01:03:42,152 Of course, clown faces were exaggerated and garish, 1410 01:03:42,152 --> 01:03:43,611 but that's because of the far distances 1411 01:03:43,611 --> 01:03:46,114 between the audience and the ring. 1412 01:03:46,114 --> 01:03:49,034 It wasn't the clown's fault, or was it? 1413 01:03:50,952 --> 01:03:52,620 Before modern times, the clown-- 1414 01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:54,622 or more appropriately the jester-- 1415 01:03:54,622 --> 01:03:56,583 was considered a mischievous trickster 1416 01:03:56,583 --> 01:04:00,295 whose special role allowed them to mock nobility. 1417 01:04:00,295 --> 01:04:03,548 Jesters served to entertain, but it wasn't all smiles. 1418 01:04:03,548 --> 01:04:08,470 These clowns had a mean streak, and they played it to the hilt. 1419 01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:11,056 But what was it about the clowns of today 1420 01:04:11,056 --> 01:04:15,060 that turned them into something evil? 1421 01:04:15,060 --> 01:04:17,395 ( Rooster Cawing ) 1422 01:04:17,395 --> 01:04:18,646 Breakfast. 1423 01:04:20,398 --> 01:04:22,817 I'm hungry. 1424 01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:25,737 Joshua: Some believe it was when we brought clowns 1425 01:04:25,737 --> 01:04:28,073 out of the Big Top and into our homes 1426 01:04:28,073 --> 01:04:30,200 via birthday parties and TV, 1427 01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,036 that things really began to change. 1428 01:04:33,036 --> 01:04:36,372 We see you here as Bozo. Who are you really? 1429 01:04:36,372 --> 01:04:38,500 Joshua: Had that suspicious gleam in the eye 1430 01:04:38,500 --> 01:04:40,168 been there all along? 1431 01:04:40,168 --> 01:04:43,088 Did we finally just put two and two together to realize 1432 01:04:43,088 --> 01:04:46,341 that clowns were creepy or even worse-- 1433 01:04:46,341 --> 01:04:48,218 dangerous? 1434 01:04:48,218 --> 01:04:50,762 ANNOUNCER: The News At 5. 1435 01:04:50,762 --> 01:04:52,597 NEWS READER: Chicago police warned parents 1436 01:04:52,597 --> 01:04:56,684 about a man dressed as a clown who is approaching children. 1437 01:04:56,684 --> 01:04:58,770 Police say a clown tried to lure boys 1438 01:04:58,770 --> 01:05:02,023 into his pickup truck last Tuesday evening. 1439 01:05:02,023 --> 01:05:03,775 Police have issued two community alerts 1440 01:05:03,775 --> 01:05:07,028 regarding the clown sighting near some Southside schools 1441 01:05:07,028 --> 01:05:08,947 as well as some Westside schools. 1442 01:05:11,074 --> 01:05:12,617 Joshua: No one can say for sure 1443 01:05:12,617 --> 01:05:15,203 where in Chicago it happened first or even when, 1444 01:05:17,163 --> 01:05:21,751 but they were out there, snatching kids off the streets. 1445 01:05:21,751 --> 01:05:24,546 They trolled playgrounds and schoolyards. 1446 01:05:24,546 --> 01:05:26,589 Sometimes they used balloons or candy 1447 01:05:26,589 --> 01:05:28,049 to lure the gullible ones. 1448 01:05:30,468 --> 01:05:32,512 But ask anyone who has seen them, 1449 01:05:32,512 --> 01:05:35,056 and they'll all tell you the same thing-- 1450 01:05:35,056 --> 01:05:36,891 it was the white van they saw first 1451 01:05:39,227 --> 01:05:42,063 and then that face behind the wheel 1452 01:05:42,063 --> 01:05:44,315 painted white with a maniacal smile. 1453 01:05:47,235 --> 01:05:50,113 We call them the Killer Clowns, 1454 01:05:50,113 --> 01:05:52,615 and they only wanted one thing-- 1455 01:05:52,615 --> 01:05:56,161 to kidnap kids just like us. 1456 01:05:57,745 --> 01:05:59,205 ON T.V: Police are saying that the suspect 1457 01:05:59,205 --> 01:06:01,374 wears clown make-up, a wig, 1458 01:06:01,374 --> 01:06:03,418 and sometimes he carried balloons. 1459 01:06:03,418 --> 01:06:07,172 The latest pair of incidents occurred near playgrounds at 83rd and Mackinaw... 1460 01:06:07,172 --> 01:06:08,882 They were running out of the playground area. 1461 01:06:08,882 --> 01:06:11,426 To prey on children at this time, you know, 1462 01:06:11,426 --> 01:06:13,761 right around the time that they want to go out 1463 01:06:13,761 --> 01:06:16,598 and do trick-or-treating is unfortunate. 1464 01:06:16,598 --> 01:06:19,184 We should emphasize that nothing has happened-- 1465 01:06:19,184 --> 01:06:20,560 no child has been hurt-- 1466 01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,271 but certainly these incidents that have been near children 1467 01:06:23,271 --> 01:06:25,273 is making it very uneasy. 1468 01:06:25,273 --> 01:06:26,858 ( Sirens Wailing ) 1469 01:06:29,736 --> 01:06:32,280 Joshua: In 2008, this was one of the reported sightings-- 1470 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:33,198 South Mackinaw-- 1471 01:06:33,198 --> 01:06:36,159 one of the theoretical clown abductions 1472 01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:38,536 where apparently he was hiding in the playground 1473 01:06:38,536 --> 01:06:40,246 with some balloons... 1474 01:06:40,246 --> 01:06:42,248 Or he was in a van or he was in a truck. 1475 01:06:42,248 --> 01:06:44,250 I mean, no adult said they saw this. 1476 01:06:44,250 --> 01:06:46,211 Something was going on with these children 1477 01:06:46,211 --> 01:06:50,465 to feel the need to alert adults. 1478 01:06:50,465 --> 01:06:52,675 You doing a documentary? Yeah, we are. 1479 01:06:52,675 --> 01:06:53,676 Joshua: Do you believe that really happened? 1480 01:06:53,676 --> 01:06:55,303 Yeah, oh sure. 1481 01:06:55,303 --> 01:06:56,429 Joshua: Why do you believe that happened? 1482 01:06:56,429 --> 01:06:57,680 Well, people told me, you know, 1483 01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,599 that they actually seen that. 1484 01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:01,392 Was it just one incident or was it... 1485 01:07:01,392 --> 01:07:03,561 No, it was like a couple weeks or you know, 1486 01:07:03,561 --> 01:07:05,813 a month or something like that it was going on. 1487 01:07:05,813 --> 01:07:07,232 Rachel: Did they ever catch the guy? 1488 01:07:07,232 --> 01:07:08,149 I'm not sure. 1489 01:07:08,149 --> 01:07:09,692 I think they did because it stopped. 1490 01:07:09,692 --> 01:07:12,362 Definitely it was a true incident. 1491 01:07:12,362 --> 01:07:14,239 Joshua: Uh-hm. Rachel: Uh-hm. 1492 01:07:14,239 --> 01:07:15,323 So, he believes... 1493 01:07:15,323 --> 01:07:17,325 He believes it. It was-it was real. 1494 01:07:17,325 --> 01:07:19,494 I think there could possibly have been a clown here. 1495 01:07:19,494 --> 01:07:21,579 It's hard to discern. 1496 01:07:21,579 --> 01:07:23,623 A white van and the guy had a mask... 1497 01:07:23,623 --> 01:07:25,750 Uh-hm. ...Of a clown. 1498 01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:27,877 One of our friends' daughters... 1499 01:07:27,877 --> 01:07:29,379 ...Yeah, and she was holding on 1500 01:07:29,379 --> 01:07:30,588 like for dear life to the fence. 1501 01:07:30,588 --> 01:07:32,340 Joshua: Really? Yeah. 1502 01:07:32,340 --> 01:07:33,716 Joshua: Do you believe it really happened? 1503 01:07:33,716 --> 01:07:35,134 I believe so. 1504 01:07:35,134 --> 01:07:37,220 We have tons and tons of pedophiles 1505 01:07:37,220 --> 01:07:39,222 in this community. I always log on to it. 1506 01:07:39,222 --> 01:07:40,265 Joshua: Really? Oh yes. 1507 01:07:40,265 --> 01:07:41,099 Dressing as a clown? 1508 01:07:41,099 --> 01:07:42,267 Yeah. 1509 01:07:42,267 --> 01:07:43,643 That's a little extreme, don't you think? 1510 01:07:43,643 --> 01:07:44,811 No. 1511 01:07:44,811 --> 01:07:46,229 Joshua: But you never saw the clown. 1512 01:07:46,229 --> 01:07:49,232 No, but we saw people that acted like that person-- 1513 01:07:49,232 --> 01:07:50,608 trying to lure-- tell the kids. 1514 01:07:50,608 --> 01:07:53,653 I saw him right in the store and I warned the store owner. 1515 01:07:53,653 --> 01:07:54,737 I'd like for people to hear the truth 1516 01:07:54,737 --> 01:07:57,240 ( indistinct ) not a lie. 1517 01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:58,366 ( Background Sirens ) 1518 01:07:58,366 --> 01:08:00,326 Now I don't know what to think. 1519 01:08:00,326 --> 01:08:02,370 Joshua: Walking away, it was hard not to believe 1520 01:08:02,370 --> 01:08:04,580 that there must be some truth to this. 1521 01:08:04,580 --> 01:08:06,708 Could all these people really be wrong? 1522 01:08:06,708 --> 01:08:10,044 Maybe our fear of clowns isn't just in our heads. 1523 01:08:11,754 --> 01:08:14,549 Joe Durwin: Coulrophobia is the fear of clowns. 1524 01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:16,843 It is so widespread now that, you know, 1525 01:08:16,843 --> 01:08:20,013 everybody knows that people are afraid of clowns. 1526 01:08:20,013 --> 01:08:22,724 Everybody knows that something is up with clowns, 1527 01:08:22,724 --> 01:08:25,727 and the last couple of decades have just been confirmation 1528 01:08:25,727 --> 01:08:27,478 of everything they ever feared. 1529 01:08:27,478 --> 01:08:29,480 Joe Durwin: But what's even more disturbing 1530 01:08:29,480 --> 01:08:32,900 is that these phantom clowns didn't just appear in 2008. 1531 01:08:32,900 --> 01:08:35,486 There was a similar sighting 17 years previously, 1532 01:08:35,486 --> 01:08:38,781 in the fall of 1991. 1533 01:08:38,781 --> 01:08:40,783 From the number of alleged sightings 1534 01:08:40,783 --> 01:08:43,286 coming from practically all over Chicago, 1535 01:08:43,286 --> 01:08:44,662 police are theorizing 1536 01:08:44,662 --> 01:08:46,581 there may be more than one phony clown 1537 01:08:46,581 --> 01:08:48,708 out roaming the streets. 1538 01:08:48,708 --> 01:08:50,418 Rachel: This is a comment. 1539 01:08:50,418 --> 01:08:51,919 "I've seen the same van with the clown driving 1540 01:08:51,919 --> 01:08:54,464 when we was on the Westside playing, 1541 01:08:54,464 --> 01:08:56,632 and I can recall the van stopping in the alley 1542 01:08:56,632 --> 01:08:58,676 and the clown trying to lure me to the van. 1543 01:08:58,676 --> 01:08:59,927 That scared me worser 1544 01:08:59,927 --> 01:09:02,722 than living in Cabrini-Green projects." 1545 01:09:02,722 --> 01:09:05,516 Joe Durwin: The mention of Cabrini-Green was telling. 1546 01:09:05,516 --> 01:09:08,644 It had been one of Chicago's most notorious slums 1547 01:09:08,644 --> 01:09:12,857 where kids faced rampant poverty and violence on a daily basis. 1548 01:09:12,857 --> 01:09:14,108 But how does a kid process 1549 01:09:14,108 --> 01:09:15,818 these overwhelming societal issues 1550 01:09:15,818 --> 01:09:18,488 that are just too big to fix? 1551 01:09:18,488 --> 01:09:19,989 Have you ever like heard of any talk 1552 01:09:19,989 --> 01:09:21,616 about any scary place on your block, 1553 01:09:21,616 --> 01:09:23,284 a place nobody went to? 1554 01:09:23,284 --> 01:09:25,745 Every block is a scary block-- ( Giggles ) 1555 01:09:25,745 --> 01:09:27,663 so much shooting and killing out here. 1556 01:09:27,663 --> 01:09:29,374 You guys think clowns are scary? 1557 01:09:29,374 --> 01:09:30,375 Clowns? Yeah. 1558 01:09:30,375 --> 01:09:31,793 No. 1559 01:09:31,793 --> 01:09:32,794 Killer clowns. 1560 01:09:32,794 --> 01:09:34,128 Killer clowns. 1561 01:09:35,963 --> 01:09:39,384 We've got a real shot here, Bernadette. 1562 01:09:39,384 --> 01:09:41,052 An entire community starts attributing 1563 01:09:41,052 --> 01:09:44,806 the daily horrors of their lives to a mythical figure. 1564 01:09:44,806 --> 01:09:47,016 Joshua: Sometimes we create monsters. 1565 01:09:47,016 --> 01:09:49,852 Sometimes we just need to put a face on our fear. 1566 01:09:51,521 --> 01:09:53,564 Aren't you going to say hello? 1567 01:09:54,607 --> 01:09:56,943 This is where there was 1568 01:09:56,943 --> 01:10:01,697 another series of clown sightings back in '91. 1569 01:10:01,697 --> 01:10:04,075 They called this clown sighting the Homey the Clown sighting. 1570 01:10:04,075 --> 01:10:05,618 Rachel: Back in the early '90s, 1571 01:10:05,618 --> 01:10:07,787 there was a popular show on, In Living Colors. 1572 01:10:07,787 --> 01:10:10,081 Huge character on there, Homey the Clown. 1573 01:10:10,081 --> 01:10:12,583 Now let's show them how Homey gets back at 1574 01:10:12,583 --> 01:10:13,501 Mr. Establishment. 1575 01:10:13,501 --> 01:10:15,253 ( Laughter ) 1576 01:10:15,253 --> 01:10:16,379 Sure. 1577 01:10:16,379 --> 01:10:19,215 ( Laughter ) 1578 01:10:20,508 --> 01:10:23,636 I mean, this is only one of many, many places 1579 01:10:23,636 --> 01:10:25,388 all over Chicago. 1580 01:10:26,681 --> 01:10:28,516 There was a real citywide scare. 1581 01:10:28,516 --> 01:10:30,685 The Chicago police were being called. 1582 01:10:30,685 --> 01:10:32,937 There were reports in the news. 1583 01:10:32,937 --> 01:10:34,856 Joshua: Isaiah Thompson was a local reporter 1584 01:10:34,856 --> 01:10:37,650 who grew up in Chicago and wrote about the clowns 1585 01:10:37,650 --> 01:10:39,652 that seemed to be lurking on every corner. 1586 01:10:39,652 --> 01:10:42,405 Somehow-you know, 1587 01:10:42,405 --> 01:10:44,657 I don't know that anyone knows how, you know, 1588 01:10:44,657 --> 01:10:47,535 this whole city, especially like this whole 1589 01:10:47,535 --> 01:10:50,371 public school network of thousands and thousands of kids 1590 01:10:50,371 --> 01:10:51,873 all believe the same thing, 1591 01:10:51,873 --> 01:10:54,667 so it seems like this larger force of nature 1592 01:10:54,667 --> 01:10:58,171 that sort of visited itself upon the kids of Chicago. 1593 01:10:58,171 --> 01:11:00,548 Joshua: What the kids in 1991 didn't know 1594 01:11:00,548 --> 01:11:05,094 was that Chicago had an even earlier clown scare. 1595 01:11:05,094 --> 01:11:11,058 There was another clown scare phenomenon previously in 1981. 1596 01:11:11,058 --> 01:11:14,604 It's been said that that one started in Boston. 1597 01:11:14,604 --> 01:11:16,022 Uh-hm. You think '81, you think '80s, 1598 01:11:17,899 --> 01:11:19,901 you think Steven King, you think It you think Poltergeist. 1599 01:11:19,901 --> 01:11:23,571 No, that started in '82, Poltergeist, '86 for It. 1600 01:11:23,571 --> 01:11:25,573 This was all before any of that. 1601 01:11:25,573 --> 01:11:27,200 Joshua: It's easy to see how Poltergeist 1602 01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,202 could have helped spread a clown scare. 1603 01:11:38,544 --> 01:11:40,421 And of course, Steven King's It... 1604 01:11:40,421 --> 01:11:43,466 Ah-ha, I'll drive you crazy and I'll kill you all. 1605 01:11:43,466 --> 01:11:45,426 I'm every nightmare you ever had. 1606 01:11:45,426 --> 01:11:48,846 I am your worst dream come true! 1607 01:11:48,846 --> 01:11:50,556 Joshua: But the fact that the 1981 scare 1608 01:11:50,556 --> 01:11:53,893 preceded these cinematic killer clowns was telling. 1609 01:11:53,893 --> 01:11:56,187 This wasn't just kids watching some movie, 1610 01:11:56,187 --> 01:11:58,898 not when this fear was everywhere. 1611 01:11:58,898 --> 01:12:02,693 Joe Durwin: Clowns appear in California in 1967; 1612 01:12:02,693 --> 01:12:04,570 in Newark 1980; 1613 01:12:04,570 --> 01:12:05,780 Boston; Providence; 1614 01:12:05,780 --> 01:12:08,574 Omaha; Phoenix, Arizona in 1985; 1615 01:12:08,574 --> 01:12:09,659 Chicago; Galveston, 1616 01:12:09,659 --> 01:12:10,743 Texas, 1992; 1617 01:12:10,743 --> 01:12:11,827 Washington; Maryland; 1618 01:12:11,827 --> 01:12:13,579 Scotland, 1991; 1619 01:12:13,579 --> 01:12:16,082 throughout a large portion of Latin America 1620 01:12:16,082 --> 01:12:19,669 from Mexico to South America in the mid-90s. 1621 01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:21,796 The question of how it's being spread 1622 01:12:21,796 --> 01:12:24,966 is a very interesting one because you have an age group 1623 01:12:24,966 --> 01:12:28,135 which doesn't have an enormous amount of contacts 1624 01:12:28,135 --> 01:12:30,680 and especially in a pre-internet time. 1625 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,599 Elementary schools communicating with students 1626 01:12:33,599 --> 01:12:36,686 in other elementary schools on the other side of town 1627 01:12:36,686 --> 01:12:38,104 is very unlikely. 1628 01:12:38,104 --> 01:12:41,274 How it's transmitted is really one of the most intriguing, 1629 01:12:41,274 --> 01:12:44,151 perhaps unsolved mysteries about it. 1630 01:12:49,574 --> 01:12:50,866 Joshua: All over the world, 1631 01:12:50,866 --> 01:12:52,702 kids were seeing killer clowns, 1632 01:12:52,702 --> 01:12:54,495 but it could have been any monster-- 1633 01:12:54,495 --> 01:12:59,000 zombies, vampires, witches, why clowns? 1634 01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,836 Maybe our fear points to an even larger issue. 1635 01:13:01,836 --> 01:13:03,963 Maybe it was the clown's loss of innocence 1636 01:13:03,963 --> 01:13:06,048 that made them that much more scary 1637 01:13:06,048 --> 01:13:08,676 because it spoke to our own loss. 1638 01:13:08,676 --> 01:13:11,846 For those born into a generation of stranger danger, 1639 01:13:11,846 --> 01:13:14,557 where missing kids appeared on every milk carton, 1640 01:13:14,557 --> 01:13:16,559 clowns represented a world 1641 01:13:16,559 --> 01:13:18,686 that had turned almost evil overnight, 1642 01:13:18,686 --> 01:13:20,980 and that's because it's here in Chicago 1643 01:13:20,980 --> 01:13:22,857 where the notion of killer clowns 1644 01:13:22,857 --> 01:13:24,775 became a reality. 1645 01:13:24,775 --> 01:13:25,901 News Reporter: Police found the decomposed remains 1646 01:13:25,901 --> 01:13:27,695 of three bodies. 1647 01:13:27,695 --> 01:13:29,989 They suspect there are several more bodies buried here. 1648 01:13:29,989 --> 01:13:32,992 Joshua: And the most evil of them all was Pogo, 1649 01:13:32,992 --> 01:13:36,579 the alter ego of one of the most prolific serial killers 1650 01:13:36,579 --> 01:13:40,166 in all of history, John Wayne Gacy. 1651 01:13:43,419 --> 01:13:45,630 Gacy was a sadistic serial killer 1652 01:13:45,630 --> 01:13:47,548 who brutally slayed 33 young men 1653 01:13:47,548 --> 01:13:52,219 between 1972 and 1978 in the Chicago suburbs. 1654 01:13:52,219 --> 01:13:55,973 Though many have portrayed Gacy as an actual killer clown, 1655 01:13:55,973 --> 01:13:57,767 the truth behind his demented persona 1656 01:13:57,767 --> 01:13:59,310 is not so simple. 1657 01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,285 How many bodies did you find here? 1658 01:14:16,285 --> 01:14:18,996 BOB EGAN: Twenty-nine, twenty-seven under the house... 1659 01:14:18,996 --> 01:14:20,373 Uh-hm. 1660 01:14:20,373 --> 01:14:22,500 In the crawlspace, one under the driveway... 1661 01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:26,629 And one under an extension that he put on the garage. 1662 01:14:26,629 --> 01:14:28,005 Joshua: This is Bob Egans , 1663 01:14:28,005 --> 01:14:30,049 a former prosecutor on the Gacy case, 1664 01:14:30,049 --> 01:14:32,843 and Cook County detective Jason Moran. 1665 01:14:32,843 --> 01:14:34,845 BOB EGAN: When we first saw the Pogo the Clown pictures, 1666 01:14:34,845 --> 01:14:36,639 we went, oh my God, 1667 01:14:36,639 --> 01:14:38,307 is this guy acting as a clown to get victims-- 1668 01:14:38,307 --> 01:14:41,727 that's what we thought, but it wasn't that at all. 1669 01:14:41,727 --> 01:14:44,105 He was doing that because he was the center of attention, 1670 01:14:44,105 --> 01:14:45,439 and everything he did 1671 01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,108 was to make himself the center of attention. 1672 01:14:47,108 --> 01:14:49,110 I still don't like clowns. 1673 01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:51,987 ( Chuckles ) And I'm an adult with a gun and a badge. 1674 01:14:51,987 --> 01:14:53,948 And it might be from being a child 1675 01:14:53,948 --> 01:14:57,910 during that time because if you look at Pogo the Clown, 1676 01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:59,829 he was a very creepy clown. 1677 01:14:59,829 --> 01:15:02,707 If you look at the pictures, the make-up around his eyes 1678 01:15:02,707 --> 01:15:05,376 when he was portraying Pogo, was triangular, 1679 01:15:05,376 --> 01:15:08,921 and the make-up around his mouth came up to points. 1680 01:15:08,921 --> 01:15:11,298 Clown experts said clowns do not have 1681 01:15:11,298 --> 01:15:13,676 any sharp points on their faces. 1682 01:15:13,676 --> 01:15:14,969 Why? 1683 01:15:14,969 --> 01:15:17,805 Because it scares kids and it connotes evil. 1684 01:15:17,805 --> 01:15:20,057 And so do you think Gacy did this on purpose 1685 01:15:20,057 --> 01:15:21,851 to connote evil? 1686 01:15:21,851 --> 01:15:22,977 It was subconscious? No, I don't think at all. 1687 01:15:22,977 --> 01:15:23,853 I think it was purely coincidental. 1688 01:15:23,853 --> 01:15:25,229 He wasn't-- 1689 01:15:25,229 --> 01:15:26,856 I don't think he was thinking of that for one second. 1690 01:15:26,856 --> 01:15:28,899 I'm telling you, that's exactly what we believed at the time. 1691 01:15:28,899 --> 01:15:31,694 Pogo the clown issue was the subject 1692 01:15:31,694 --> 01:15:33,738 of a lot of conversation during the trial prep. 1693 01:15:35,865 --> 01:15:38,826 Joshua: Although Gacy never did kill anyone dressed as a clown, 1694 01:15:38,826 --> 01:15:42,163 he did tell police clowns could get away with murder, 1695 01:15:42,163 --> 01:15:44,915 leading many to believe his signature clown look 1696 01:15:44,915 --> 01:15:48,669 was in fact a true reflection of his inner evil self. 1697 01:15:52,715 --> 01:15:55,050 Ken Melvoin-Berg is a noted historian 1698 01:15:55,050 --> 01:15:58,804 who understands the dark side of a clown. 1699 01:15:58,804 --> 01:16:01,015 It doesn't matter the type of mask that you're putting on-- 1700 01:16:01,015 --> 01:16:02,224 whether it's a clown face-- 1701 01:16:02,224 --> 01:16:04,101 it's to hide who you are a little bit 1702 01:16:04,101 --> 01:16:06,020 and to be somebody a little bit different. 1703 01:16:06,020 --> 01:16:08,856 It's oftentimes the opposite of what we portray ourselves 1704 01:16:08,856 --> 01:16:10,066 in our day-to-day lives. 1705 01:16:10,066 --> 01:16:12,985 So somebody who is a truly evil person like Gacy 1706 01:16:12,985 --> 01:16:17,323 puts it on to sort of offset that. 1707 01:16:17,323 --> 01:16:19,283 Bill Ellis: What happens when people costume 1708 01:16:19,283 --> 01:16:23,245 is that they're playing with these internal personalities-- 1709 01:16:23,245 --> 01:16:26,999 they're repressing the normal ego-- 1710 01:16:26,999 --> 01:16:29,919 and they are allowing some internal personality 1711 01:16:29,919 --> 01:16:32,338 to become dominant. 1712 01:16:32,338 --> 01:16:34,465 And so you put on the clown make-up 1713 01:16:34,465 --> 01:16:37,718 and you are no longer yourself. 1714 01:16:37,718 --> 01:16:42,139 You then become someone that is unpredictable, 1715 01:16:42,139 --> 01:16:45,559 possibly dangerous, possibly violent. 1716 01:16:47,019 --> 01:16:48,229 Game on, my friend. 1717 01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:51,941 ( Chuckles ) 1718 01:16:51,941 --> 01:16:54,026 ( Horn Blows ) Ha-ha-ha-ha. 1719 01:16:54,026 --> 01:16:56,028 ( Chuckles ) 1720 01:16:56,028 --> 01:16:57,321 KEN MELVOIN-BERG: Clowns have always been 1721 01:16:57,321 --> 01:16:58,781 a huge thing for us here in Chicago 1722 01:16:58,781 --> 01:17:00,366 unlike any other American city 1723 01:17:00,366 --> 01:17:03,410 where we have clowns and clown stories 1724 01:17:03,410 --> 01:17:06,080 and clown mythology and clown history 1725 01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:09,208 that no other city in the US has. 1726 01:17:09,208 --> 01:17:12,461 It started off a long time ago in the 1890s 1727 01:17:12,461 --> 01:17:15,172 when the Columbian Exposition brought clowns around 1728 01:17:15,172 --> 01:17:17,550 just to entertain folks. 1729 01:17:17,550 --> 01:17:19,218 Going forward in time a little bit, 1730 01:17:19,218 --> 01:17:21,095 up into the 1950s, like Bob Bell 1731 01:17:21,095 --> 01:17:23,097 who was the original Bozo the Clown. 1732 01:17:23,097 --> 01:17:26,016 The Bozo set is still at WGN in the building, 1733 01:17:26,016 --> 01:17:27,434 and it's allegedly haunted. 1734 01:17:27,434 --> 01:17:29,812 In the late '70s is when you had John Wayne Gacy. 1735 01:17:29,812 --> 01:17:31,272 Shortly after is when 1736 01:17:31,272 --> 01:17:32,773 a clown panic happened. 1737 01:17:32,773 --> 01:17:34,984 So for people like me who are a little bit sadistic, 1738 01:17:34,984 --> 01:17:37,278 to me it's made it that much more interesting 1739 01:17:37,278 --> 01:17:38,487 because people are that much more scared 1740 01:17:38,487 --> 01:17:39,989 of clowns these days. 1741 01:17:39,989 --> 01:17:42,575 The thing is that all of the people 1742 01:17:42,575 --> 01:17:46,954 that were children in the 1980s and 1990s 1743 01:17:46,954 --> 01:17:48,164 are adults now, 1744 01:17:48,164 --> 01:17:49,832 and are telling these terrifying tales of clowns 1745 01:17:49,832 --> 01:17:51,250 to their children. 1746 01:17:51,250 --> 01:17:54,169 Speaking of the connection to clowns in Chicago, 1747 01:17:54,169 --> 01:17:56,547 the one site that you guys have got to see 1748 01:17:56,547 --> 01:17:59,592 if you haven't been there before is Showmen's Rest 1749 01:17:59,592 --> 01:18:04,054 which is a monument to the circus and clowns 1750 01:18:04,054 --> 01:18:05,890 in a cemetery. 1751 01:18:07,224 --> 01:18:08,809 Joshua: Buried in Chicago 1752 01:18:08,809 --> 01:18:10,477 were the clowns and other circus performers 1753 01:18:10,477 --> 01:18:12,062 who died in one of the worst train wrecks 1754 01:18:12,062 --> 01:18:13,898 in American history. 1755 01:18:13,898 --> 01:18:15,816 On June 22, 1918, 1756 01:18:15,816 --> 01:18:18,152 after its conductor fell asleep, 1757 01:18:18,152 --> 01:18:20,237 a train plowed into the idle sleeper cars 1758 01:18:20,237 --> 01:18:23,032 of the Hagenbeck-Wallace circus. 1759 01:18:23,032 --> 01:18:25,201 Those who weren't killed in the initial impact 1760 01:18:25,201 --> 01:18:28,370 burned to death after the wooden cars caught on fire. 1761 01:18:30,372 --> 01:18:32,917 In all, 86 performers were killed. 1762 01:18:32,917 --> 01:18:35,169 With so many burned beyond recognition, 1763 01:18:35,169 --> 01:18:37,004 they were buried in a mass grave 1764 01:18:37,004 --> 01:18:39,256 in a section of the Chicago cemetery 1765 01:18:39,256 --> 01:18:41,884 called Showmen's Rest. 1766 01:18:41,884 --> 01:18:44,136 One of those who survived was Joe Coyle, 1767 01:18:44,136 --> 01:18:45,596 a famously jovial clown 1768 01:18:45,596 --> 01:18:48,265 whose act became perpetually sad and morose 1769 01:18:48,265 --> 01:18:50,976 as he took to dressing in rags. 1770 01:18:50,976 --> 01:18:54,104 Coyle would play a sad clown for the rest of his life. 1771 01:18:55,898 --> 01:18:57,358 Rachel: Joe Coyle spoke bitterly 1772 01:18:57,358 --> 01:18:58,901 as he lay on a stretcher 1773 01:18:58,901 --> 01:19:00,653 and told how his wife and two babies 1774 01:19:00,653 --> 01:19:03,530 had joined him only recently and how all three 1775 01:19:03,530 --> 01:19:06,116 had been crushed to death at his very side. 1776 01:19:06,116 --> 01:19:09,203 "The kiddies had been so glad to see their daddy," he said, 1777 01:19:09,203 --> 01:19:11,497 "I wish I could have died with them." 1778 01:19:24,259 --> 01:19:26,053 Joshua: Here, look. See that? 1779 01:19:26,053 --> 01:19:27,304 Rachel: Baldy. 1780 01:19:27,304 --> 01:19:29,306 Joshua: Baldy, 1918, June 22. 1781 01:19:29,306 --> 01:19:31,016 Rachel: They said they only could name him Baldy 1782 01:19:31,016 --> 01:19:34,061 because that was the only name they knew him by 1783 01:19:34,061 --> 01:19:35,980 was his stage name. 1784 01:19:35,980 --> 01:19:38,399 Joshua: 4 Horse Driver, 1918. 1785 01:19:38,399 --> 01:19:40,901 Rachel: Unknown male, unknown male. 1786 01:19:40,901 --> 01:19:44,321 Joshua: Unknown male, unknown male, unknown male. 1787 01:19:44,321 --> 01:19:45,990 All these graves are unknown. 1788 01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:48,284 Rachel: All these graves are unknown. 1789 01:19:48,284 --> 01:19:50,119 Joshua: Maybe it all started in Chicago 1790 01:19:50,119 --> 01:19:52,246 with the deaths of these clowns. 1791 01:19:52,246 --> 01:19:54,581 Maybe all it takes is a little tragedy 1792 01:19:54,581 --> 01:19:57,001 to unlock the even darker places in our mind. 1793 01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:01,505 One thing is for certain-- 1794 01:20:01,505 --> 01:20:04,174 there's no going back to the innocent clown. 1795 01:20:04,174 --> 01:20:07,011 The scales have been tipped and the evidence proves it. 1796 01:20:07,011 --> 01:20:10,055 Clowns can do scary things. 1797 01:20:10,055 --> 01:20:12,141 They can even become killers. 1798 01:20:12,141 --> 01:20:14,268 ( Sirens Wailing ) 1799 01:20:14,268 --> 01:20:17,479 VOICE ON RADIO: ...314, shooting at Century Theaters. 1800 01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,399 14300, East Alameda Avenue. 1801 01:20:20,399 --> 01:20:22,526 They're saying somebody is shooting in the auditorium. 1802 01:20:22,526 --> 01:20:24,945 We got seven down and ( indistinct ). 1803 01:20:24,945 --> 01:20:26,905 Seven down. 1804 01:20:26,905 --> 01:20:28,073 I've got a child victim-- I need Rescue. 1805 01:20:28,073 --> 01:20:29,241 ( Simultaneous Talking) 1806 01:20:30,909 --> 01:20:33,454 News Reporter: Breaking news coming out of Aurora, Colorado. 1807 01:20:33,454 --> 01:20:35,330 A scene of a shooting this morning. 1808 01:20:35,330 --> 01:20:37,458 A movie theater where "The Dark Knight Rises" 1809 01:20:37,458 --> 01:20:39,043 was being shown. 1810 01:20:39,043 --> 01:20:41,378 Joshua: On July 20, 2012, 1811 01:20:41,378 --> 01:20:43,297 James Holmes commits one of the worse mass shootings 1812 01:20:43,297 --> 01:20:45,174 in recent history. 1813 01:20:45,174 --> 01:20:47,176 But if the massacre itself weren't horrific enough, 1814 01:20:47,176 --> 01:20:50,345 James's costuming was an ominous testament 1815 01:20:50,345 --> 01:20:54,475 to the allure of a very specific clown. 1816 01:20:54,475 --> 01:20:57,061 Clown in Movie: Introduce a little anarchy, 1817 01:20:57,061 --> 01:21:02,775 upset the established order. Then everything becomes chaos. 1818 01:21:05,361 --> 01:21:08,113 I'm an agent of chaos. 1819 01:21:08,113 --> 01:21:10,157 Joshua: Holmes's embodiment of The Joker, 1820 01:21:10,157 --> 01:21:11,742 a villain who has come to represent 1821 01:21:11,742 --> 01:21:15,245 the ultimate destruction of our civilized world 1822 01:21:15,245 --> 01:21:17,164 is no coincidence. 1823 01:21:17,164 --> 01:21:19,166 ( Explosions ) 1824 01:21:19,166 --> 01:21:21,668 In our never-ending attempts to sanitize society, 1825 01:21:24,046 --> 01:21:28,258 we sometimes reap what we sow. 1826 01:21:28,258 --> 01:21:30,010 Joe Durwin: In a sense, you can really look at it s as 1827 01:21:30,010 --> 01:21:31,762 a possible backlash. 1828 01:21:31,762 --> 01:21:35,224 He felt this compulsion to water the clown down 1829 01:21:35,224 --> 01:21:39,353 into this cartoonish, harmless being, 1830 01:21:39,353 --> 01:21:42,398 and maybe underlying traits of the archetype 1831 01:21:42,398 --> 01:21:44,566 just came back with a vengeance. 1832 01:21:44,566 --> 01:21:47,820 Joshua: Holmes's Joker-fueled rampage not only signified 1833 01:21:47,820 --> 01:21:51,198 that the clown's transformation from innocent to evil 1834 01:21:51,198 --> 01:21:54,201 was finally complete, but it also revealed 1835 01:21:54,201 --> 01:21:58,163 what was truly lurking inside of us all. 1836 01:21:58,163 --> 01:22:01,500 We think of ourselves as one, and in fact we're really 1837 01:22:01,500 --> 01:22:05,170 kind of a parliament of personalities. 1838 01:22:05,170 --> 01:22:10,050 The killer clown is one of our personalities, 1839 01:22:10,050 --> 01:22:11,635 it's part of us. 1840 01:22:11,635 --> 01:22:14,596 And so therefore, we have to be very careful 1841 01:22:14,596 --> 01:22:20,227 not to let the killer clown out except, in a safe way-- 1842 01:22:20,227 --> 01:22:21,562 except in a playful way. 1843 01:22:21,562 --> 01:22:24,231 ( Evil Laugh ) 1844 01:22:24,231 --> 01:22:25,482 See, madness as you know, 1845 01:22:25,482 --> 01:22:29,153 is like gravity. 1846 01:22:29,153 --> 01:22:31,321 All it takes is a little push. 1847 01:22:31,321 --> 01:22:34,158 ( Evil Laugh ) 1848 01:22:37,244 --> 01:22:38,745 Joshua: The babysitter killer, 1849 01:22:38,745 --> 01:22:41,582 the Hook Man, the Halloween sadist, 1850 01:22:41,582 --> 01:22:43,876 the Killer Clown-- 1851 01:22:43,876 --> 01:22:46,128 what can we learn from these urban legends 1852 01:22:46,128 --> 01:22:49,631 and from the true crimes that may have inspired them? 1853 01:22:49,631 --> 01:22:53,260 Maybe these monsters, despite our overwhelming desire 1854 01:22:53,260 --> 01:22:57,097 to believe otherwise, just aren't real. 1855 01:22:57,097 --> 01:22:58,765 By presenting false boogeymen, 1856 01:22:58,765 --> 01:23:00,350 our urban legends are helping us 1857 01:23:00,350 --> 01:23:03,896 to make sense of crimes too wicked to comprehend. 1858 01:23:03,896 --> 01:23:06,481 Bill Ellis: An urban legend, even though it can be scary, 1859 01:23:06,481 --> 01:23:11,236 it's not nearly as scary as the actual murderers 1860 01:23:11,236 --> 01:23:13,614 that live in the world with us. 1861 01:23:13,614 --> 01:23:16,366 Joshua: But peel back the layers of any campfire tale, 1862 01:23:16,366 --> 01:23:18,535 and you'll understand the inherent truth 1863 01:23:18,535 --> 01:23:20,829 that despite our need to believe in an evil, 1864 01:23:20,829 --> 01:23:24,333 in a darker force, it just isn't true. 1865 01:23:24,333 --> 01:23:26,335 In the end, the only real boogeyman 1866 01:23:26,335 --> 01:23:28,587 is the one that lurks inside of us all, 1867 01:23:28,587 --> 01:23:32,674 waiting for just the right moment to emerge. 1868 01:23:32,674 --> 01:23:35,719 So what's the lesson behind this cautionary tale? 1869 01:23:35,719 --> 01:23:37,471 The warning here is simple-- 1870 01:23:37,471 --> 01:23:40,515 be afraid, not of the story, 1871 01:23:40,515 --> 01:23:41,892 but of the storyteller. 1872 01:23:43,352 --> 01:23:47,064 ( Music Playing ) 137934

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