Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated:
1
00:00:02,837 --> 00:00:09,636
♪ ♪
2
00:00:09,636 --> 00:00:15,850
♪ ♪
3
00:00:15,850 --> 00:00:22,148
♪ ♪
4
00:00:24,192 --> 00:00:25,610
MARIANA: What's that stuff?
5
00:00:25,610 --> 00:00:27,195
PRIMO: Little bit of fentanyl.
6
00:00:27,195 --> 00:00:29,698
This (bleep) is blowing up.
These are eight-balls.
7
00:00:29,698 --> 00:00:30,824
This is the trap, baby.
8
00:00:30,824 --> 00:00:33,034
Little Havana.
9
00:00:34,244 --> 00:00:36,162
MARIANA: Is this where you're
making most of your money or?
10
00:00:36,162 --> 00:00:38,081
PRIMO: Hell no. This (bleep)
is a thing of the past.
11
00:00:41,251 --> 00:00:42,335
PRIMO: I ain't
got time for that.
12
00:00:42,335 --> 00:00:45,797
So, what we did is
we started scamming.
13
00:00:46,256 --> 00:00:49,426
MARIANA: Scamming, credit card
fraud, and ID theft are all
14
00:00:49,426 --> 00:00:53,096
part of a booming cybercrime
industry around the world.
15
00:00:53,096 --> 00:00:55,140
LIGHT: I'm buying audio
equipment, I'm using a stolen
16
00:00:55,140 --> 00:00:56,599
credit card.
17
00:00:56,599 --> 00:00:58,893
MARIANA: Most don't even
realize they're targets
18
00:00:58,893 --> 00:01:00,437
until it's too late.
19
00:01:00,437 --> 00:01:03,773
JESSICA: I've had $300,000
that has been taken from me.
20
00:01:07,485 --> 00:01:10,322
MARIANA: Our data has become a
commodity more valuable than
21
00:01:10,322 --> 00:01:13,450
guns, gold, or drugs.
22
00:01:13,783 --> 00:01:15,785
CATALIN: We'll have hackers
targeting large companies,
23
00:01:15,785 --> 00:01:19,205
corporations, and obviously,
critical infrastructure.
24
00:01:20,540 --> 00:01:24,127
MARIANA: I want to know how our
data is stolen, how it's sold,
25
00:01:24,127 --> 00:01:26,838
and how to find the
shadowy band of hustlers
26
00:01:26,838 --> 00:01:29,341
and hackers responsible.
27
00:01:31,259 --> 00:01:34,637
The threat is much
bigger than I ever realized.
28
00:01:35,597 --> 00:01:38,308
JOHN SMITH: If you're
smart about it, you
can't get caught.
29
00:01:46,441 --> 00:01:48,693
MARIANA: What? Do you think
he's suspicious or what?
30
00:01:48,693 --> 00:01:50,278
ABEL: I'll talk to him again.
31
00:01:50,278 --> 00:01:52,447
MARIANA: I'm in Miami
chasing down a tip about
32
00:01:52,447 --> 00:01:54,741
a new breed of criminals.
33
00:01:54,741 --> 00:01:57,619
ABEL: Now he's
acting a little funny.
34
00:01:57,619 --> 00:02:00,705
I'm still talking
to him now, but.
35
00:02:00,705 --> 00:02:02,832
MARIANA: He's just not sure if
he wants to meet us anymore?
36
00:02:02,832 --> 00:02:04,834
ABEL: Yeah, like,
he's saying he's late.
37
00:02:04,834 --> 00:02:07,212
He wants to do it tomorrow.
38
00:02:07,212 --> 00:02:09,964
MARIANA: Abel is a former
gang member who served
39
00:02:09,964 --> 00:02:12,425
three years in jail.
40
00:02:12,425 --> 00:02:14,719
He's also a friend and a
source that I can call
41
00:02:14,719 --> 00:02:17,263
in moments like this.
42
00:02:17,263 --> 00:02:19,808
I'd heard rumors that street
gangs were getting into
43
00:02:19,808 --> 00:02:22,102
credit card and identity theft,
44
00:02:22,102 --> 00:02:25,689
and Abel has been
asking around for me.
45
00:02:25,689 --> 00:02:29,776
We were on our way to
meet one of his contacts
we'll call 'Primo'.
46
00:02:29,776 --> 00:02:32,028
But he's gotten cold feet.
47
00:02:32,028 --> 00:02:34,489
ABEL: He's just nervous
or something because.
48
00:02:34,489 --> 00:02:36,533
MARIANA: Do you think
it would be a good idea
to FaceTime with him?
49
00:02:36,533 --> 00:02:38,034
ABEL: Yeah, definitely.
MARIANA: So he could see...
50
00:02:38,034 --> 00:02:39,452
ABEL: I mean, that
could build trust.
51
00:02:39,452 --> 00:02:45,375
(phone ringing)
52
00:02:47,794 --> 00:02:49,754
MARIANA: Can you see me?
53
00:02:50,380 --> 00:02:51,923
PRIMO (over phone):
Yeah. I see you.
54
00:02:51,923 --> 00:02:53,299
(bleep) is real, you know?
55
00:02:53,299 --> 00:02:55,468
I can't have people
getting indicted over this.
56
00:02:55,468 --> 00:02:56,469
MARIANA: Got it.
57
00:02:56,469 --> 00:02:58,179
So this is the deal, so
this is how we do it.
58
00:02:58,179 --> 00:03:00,056
We don't show your face.
59
00:03:00,056 --> 00:03:03,476
We cover any tattoos, or any
identifiable features that
60
00:03:03,476 --> 00:03:05,895
you have and we also
change your voice
61
00:03:05,895 --> 00:03:08,189
so that it's not recognizable.
62
00:03:08,189 --> 00:03:10,567
So yeah, that's
what I can tell you.
63
00:03:10,567 --> 00:03:13,862
The hardest part of my job is
getting people to trust me.
64
00:03:13,862 --> 00:03:17,407
It can take weeks, months,
sometimes even years.
65
00:03:18,658 --> 00:03:20,452
PRIMO (over phone):
All right, yeah.
66
00:03:20,452 --> 00:03:23,788
MARIANA: But sometimes
we get lucky fast.
67
00:03:23,788 --> 00:03:25,331
Yeah.
68
00:03:25,331 --> 00:03:28,793
He said, he said, "yeah."
He's down to film tomorrow.
69
00:03:28,793 --> 00:03:31,629
He said I'm not doing this for
you, I'm doing this for, for
70
00:03:31,629 --> 00:03:35,133
Abel and if Abel is
cool with this, I'm cool.
71
00:03:35,133 --> 00:03:37,010
I know he's not
going to set me up.
72
00:03:37,010 --> 00:03:39,345
Let's hope it
happens tomorrow.
73
00:03:41,389 --> 00:03:44,476
As we wait for the meeting
with Primo, Abel takes me to
74
00:03:44,476 --> 00:03:47,020
see another friend of his,
who apparently dabbles
75
00:03:47,020 --> 00:03:49,689
in the credit card game.
76
00:03:50,899 --> 00:03:52,942
Can you show me some of
the stuff that you do?
77
00:03:52,942 --> 00:03:55,987
BECCA: Absolutely.
And so, to the dark web.
78
00:03:56,738 --> 00:03:58,531
MARIANA: Becca is a
self-taught scammer whose
79
00:03:58,531 --> 00:04:00,450
husband was a gang member.
80
00:04:00,450 --> 00:04:03,077
She agreed to give me a
primer on how it all works.
81
00:04:03,745 --> 00:04:05,538
BECCA: You can buy arms,
you can buy legs, you can buy
82
00:04:05,538 --> 00:04:08,291
elephant tusk, you
can buy digital goods.
83
00:04:09,209 --> 00:04:11,294
MARIANA: Becca uses a browser
that hides her identity,
84
00:04:11,294 --> 00:04:14,339
making it possible for her to
visit more nefarious websites
85
00:04:14,339 --> 00:04:17,592
normally unavailable
to internet users.
86
00:04:17,592 --> 00:04:19,928
And where do you get that
credit card information?
87
00:04:19,928 --> 00:04:22,555
BECCA: We have
several markets.
88
00:04:22,555 --> 00:04:24,265
MARIANA: Vice City is
the name of the market?
89
00:04:24,265 --> 00:04:25,350
BECCA: Yeah, that's
the name of the market.
90
00:04:25,350 --> 00:04:26,768
I know how cliche, right?
91
00:04:26,768 --> 00:04:28,394
MARIANA: Valid dumps.
92
00:04:28,394 --> 00:04:29,646
BECCA: Comes with
the date of birth.
93
00:04:29,646 --> 00:04:31,147
MARIANA: Uh-huh.
94
00:04:31,147 --> 00:04:32,524
BECCA: ZIP code, so you know
where the card is from,
95
00:04:32,524 --> 00:04:34,150
where the billing address is.
96
00:04:34,150 --> 00:04:36,444
MARIANA: Uh-huh. Wow.
This is so crazy.
97
00:04:36,444 --> 00:04:39,531
BECCA: And then look at an
example, if it doesn't work,
they give you your money back.
98
00:04:39,531 --> 00:04:40,657
MARIANA: No, they don't.
99
00:04:40,657 --> 00:04:42,158
BECCA: Yes, they
do immediately.
100
00:04:42,158 --> 00:04:43,243
Immediately.
101
00:04:43,243 --> 00:04:44,536
Look, right here.
102
00:04:44,536 --> 00:04:45,912
MARIANA: So you can
buy this for only $8?
103
00:04:45,912 --> 00:04:48,581
BECCA: Yeah. Oh, you could
buy them for three cents.
104
00:04:48,581 --> 00:04:52,126
MARIANA: My, my mind
is exploding right now.
105
00:04:52,126 --> 00:04:55,547
Site after site, the dark web
is like a strip mall of
106
00:04:55,547 --> 00:04:59,551
stolen credit card data, where
everything from security codes
107
00:04:59,551 --> 00:05:02,720
to ZIP codes are
available for resale.
108
00:05:03,888 --> 00:05:06,099
BECCA: Carding is the act
of using other people's
109
00:05:06,099 --> 00:05:10,770
credit card info, you know, to
buy stuff or obtain goods.
110
00:05:11,938 --> 00:05:15,400
It starts with prepaid cards.
111
00:05:16,484 --> 00:05:20,530
That's an MSR.
It can read, write, erase.
112
00:05:20,530 --> 00:05:24,242
And then I'm going to clone
this information onto it.
113
00:05:24,242 --> 00:05:27,537
MARIANA: Becca uses the MSR
machine to encode the stolen
114
00:05:27,537 --> 00:05:30,707
credit card data onto the
magnetic strip of the new
115
00:05:30,707 --> 00:05:33,001
burner debit card.
116
00:05:33,626 --> 00:05:34,877
BECCA: So I'm going
to go for that one.
117
00:05:34,877 --> 00:05:36,337
He probably went to a
restaurant and somebody hacked
118
00:05:36,337 --> 00:05:37,755
into their POS, whatever.
119
00:05:37,755 --> 00:05:39,215
MARIANA: Steven, I apologize.
120
00:05:39,215 --> 00:05:40,883
BECCA: It's okay.
It's corporate.
121
00:05:40,883 --> 00:05:43,469
Don't worry about it.
The bank will give it back.
122
00:05:43,469 --> 00:05:45,513
So now, let's make a card.
123
00:05:46,806 --> 00:05:49,559
Bam, credit card okay.
124
00:05:50,268 --> 00:05:52,228
Let's go test this on
the vending machine.
125
00:05:52,228 --> 00:05:54,147
Because I don't
want to get caught.
126
00:05:54,147 --> 00:05:56,691
MARIANA: To check if the
card works, she needs to do a
127
00:05:56,691 --> 00:06:00,153
test run where no one will
catch her, in case it doesn't.
128
00:06:00,778 --> 00:06:03,448
This is the moment of truth.
129
00:06:10,163 --> 00:06:11,456
BECCA: There you go.
130
00:06:11,456 --> 00:06:13,625
MARIANA: I don't know
if I want to do that.
131
00:06:15,710 --> 00:06:17,587
So now you know that you
can actually use this card?
132
00:06:17,587 --> 00:06:19,213
BECCA: Absolutely.
133
00:06:19,213 --> 00:06:21,633
MARIANA: Tonight there's a
guy or a woman somewhere who's
134
00:06:21,633 --> 00:06:24,886
missing $1, and tomorrow
will possibly be missing
135
00:06:24,886 --> 00:06:26,387
a lot more.
136
00:06:26,387 --> 00:06:27,263
So tomorrow you're going
to go shopping with this?
137
00:06:27,263 --> 00:06:29,599
BECCA: Yeah, definitely.
138
00:06:31,142 --> 00:06:33,603
MARIANA: The next day,
Becca invites me to follow her
139
00:06:33,603 --> 00:06:37,357
downtown as she tries to
use the card in a store.
140
00:06:39,525 --> 00:06:42,570
So, what kind of shops
do you typically target?
141
00:06:42,570 --> 00:06:47,492
BECCA: Local, smaller, family
owned shops versus corporate,
142
00:06:47,492 --> 00:06:49,702
big, giant Walmarts and stuff.
143
00:06:49,702 --> 00:06:50,703
MARIANA: Why is
that preferable?
144
00:06:50,703 --> 00:06:53,247
BECCA: Because
way less security.
145
00:06:53,915 --> 00:06:56,668
My thing is everywhere
you go, there's a camera.
146
00:06:56,668 --> 00:06:58,294
That's my fear.
147
00:06:58,294 --> 00:07:00,922
You have to look
normal, casual.
148
00:07:04,258 --> 00:07:06,886
MARIANA: Do you ever buy
anything with a regular
credit card, by any chance?
149
00:07:06,886 --> 00:07:08,054
Or is it all stolen?
150
00:07:08,054 --> 00:07:09,597
BECCA: Yeah.
151
00:07:09,597 --> 00:07:11,766
Steal what you can't buy,
buy what you can't steal.
152
00:07:16,646 --> 00:07:18,856
MARIANA: Becca says she never
knows how long a stolen
153
00:07:18,856 --> 00:07:21,401
credit card will remain active.
154
00:07:21,401 --> 00:07:23,695
It depends on how quickly
the owner, or the bank,
155
00:07:23,695 --> 00:07:26,698
spots the fraudulent activity.
156
00:07:26,698 --> 00:07:28,616
BECCA: What I'm going to do
is I'm going to, you know,
157
00:07:28,616 --> 00:07:30,660
look around, see what I find.
158
00:07:30,660 --> 00:07:33,079
Oh, my son would probably
love one of those book bags.
159
00:07:33,079 --> 00:07:35,748
MARIANA: So you don't
feel comfortable with me
going inside, so I'll...
160
00:07:35,748 --> 00:07:37,667
BECCA: I don't think for
your own good you should
161
00:07:37,667 --> 00:07:39,085
go in there with me.
162
00:07:39,085 --> 00:07:40,795
MARIANA: I'll stay here.
Um, I would say good luck,
163
00:07:40,795 --> 00:07:42,964
but I'm not sure if
that's the appropriate
thing to say right now.
164
00:07:42,964 --> 00:07:45,049
BECCA: You should.
Because, um, God forbid,
165
00:07:45,049 --> 00:07:47,927
you know, like,
something that comes up.
166
00:07:47,927 --> 00:07:49,387
MARIANA: Oh, now
you're making me nervous.
167
00:07:49,387 --> 00:07:50,847
BECCA: You should be nervous.
168
00:07:50,847 --> 00:07:52,765
It's always 50/50,
it's a lottery.
169
00:07:52,765 --> 00:07:55,685
You never know if it's going to
work, if it's not going to work.
170
00:07:55,685 --> 00:07:57,520
I'll be right back.
171
00:07:58,062 --> 00:08:00,648
MARIANA: We can actually see
right through the shop,
172
00:08:00,648 --> 00:08:02,608
so I will be able, we'll be
able to see her inside.
173
00:08:05,778 --> 00:08:07,155
MARIANA: I don't want to look,
I don't want to look suspicious,
like, we're looking at her.
174
00:08:31,512 --> 00:08:32,638
SHOPKEEPER: Uh.
175
00:08:37,602 --> 00:08:39,145
BECCA: Well, yeah.
176
00:08:39,145 --> 00:08:40,730
MARIANA: So I think
she's having trouble
with the card right now.
177
00:08:53,785 --> 00:08:56,162
MARIANA: Here she comes.
178
00:08:59,665 --> 00:09:01,667
BECCA: I have
returned with my plunder.
179
00:09:01,667 --> 00:09:03,753
MARIANA: They
weren't suspicious?
180
00:09:03,753 --> 00:09:05,838
BECCA: No, the other way
around, they were trying to
help me pay for the (bleep).
181
00:09:05,838 --> 00:09:07,548
They were like, "thank you."
182
00:09:07,548 --> 00:09:09,759
Like, literally you
help them help you steal.
183
00:09:12,095 --> 00:09:13,554
MARIANA: Guy who's at
home who just lost...
184
00:09:13,554 --> 00:09:16,057
BECCA: No. Hell no.
MARIANA: Yeah. But it's, yeah.
185
00:09:16,057 --> 00:09:18,392
But it doesn't, well, I
would be angry if it was me.
186
00:09:18,392 --> 00:09:21,062
BECCA: It's a yin and yang.
You give some, you take some.
187
00:09:21,062 --> 00:09:22,855
Unless you have, like, a
really good education and a
188
00:09:22,855 --> 00:09:25,274
good job, it's just,
you can't afford (bleep).
189
00:09:25,274 --> 00:09:27,568
The bigger the stakes are, the
bigger the transactions are,
190
00:09:27,568 --> 00:09:29,278
the bigger they're
going to come after you.
191
00:09:29,278 --> 00:09:32,031
MARIANA: So that's why you
keep it to small transactions.
192
00:09:32,031 --> 00:09:33,616
BECCA: Yeah, definitely.
193
00:09:33,616 --> 00:09:36,077
MARIANA: Oh, my God. I can't
believe how easy that was.
194
00:09:36,828 --> 00:09:38,996
Data has now surpassed oil
195
00:09:38,996 --> 00:09:41,999
as the world's most
valuable resource.
196
00:09:43,417 --> 00:09:46,170
Worldwide, in 2020 alone,
197
00:09:46,170 --> 00:09:49,715
thieves ran off with
more than $28 billion.
198
00:09:50,716 --> 00:09:54,428
It can start with a notification
for a single fraudulent charge.
199
00:09:54,428 --> 00:09:57,056
For most, getting that
money refunded is
200
00:09:57,056 --> 00:09:59,392
just an inconvenience.
201
00:09:59,392 --> 00:10:02,145
But for a growing
number of victims,
202
00:10:02,145 --> 00:10:05,231
the situation escalates quickly.
203
00:10:07,066 --> 00:10:09,944
TIM: At the time, I thought it
was a one and done sort of deal.
204
00:10:09,944 --> 00:10:13,281
I've probably had upwards
of 25 debit and credit cards
205
00:10:13,281 --> 00:10:15,867
compromised and stolen.
206
00:10:15,867 --> 00:10:18,911
DAVE: It's a really scary
thing when you don't know
207
00:10:18,911 --> 00:10:22,540
if the money in your bank
account is not going to
208
00:10:22,540 --> 00:10:25,626
be there when you log in next.
209
00:10:26,419 --> 00:10:32,258
JESSICA: At least every month,
maybe 2 to 15 transactions
210
00:10:32,258 --> 00:10:35,845
that happen
randomly that aren't mine.
211
00:10:36,971 --> 00:10:38,472
TIM: I felt powerless.
212
00:10:38,472 --> 00:10:41,267
They just had access to
all of my life savings.
213
00:10:41,267 --> 00:10:43,561
DAVE: People don't
always get their money back.
214
00:10:43,561 --> 00:10:47,773
SAMUEL: One thing impacted the
next, impacted the next, and
215
00:10:47,773 --> 00:10:50,860
it just kept snowballing.
216
00:10:50,860 --> 00:10:53,404
DAVE: I have no idea when it
will end or if it will end.
217
00:10:53,404 --> 00:10:54,572
TIM: I'm a current student.
218
00:10:54,572 --> 00:10:55,907
JESSICA: I work
in mental health.
219
00:10:55,907 --> 00:10:57,408
DAVE: I'm in the IT area.
220
00:10:57,408 --> 00:11:01,495
SAMUEL: I am a dancer,
teacher, choreographer.
221
00:11:03,164 --> 00:11:05,958
MARIANA: Credit card
fraud exploded in 2020,
222
00:11:05,958 --> 00:11:09,211
increasing more than 40%.
223
00:11:09,211 --> 00:11:12,798
The ease and anonymity of the
crime has drawn the attention
224
00:11:12,798 --> 00:11:15,843
of street gangs, like the Crips,
who used to make their
225
00:11:15,843 --> 00:11:18,763
money in more dangerous ways.
226
00:11:19,722 --> 00:11:20,973
PRIMO: So, have a seat,
have a seat.
227
00:11:20,973 --> 00:11:21,766
MARIANA: Here?
228
00:11:21,766 --> 00:11:23,142
PRIMO: Scoot over, man.
It's a lady.
229
00:11:23,142 --> 00:11:24,435
MARIANA: Thank you.
230
00:11:24,435 --> 00:11:25,978
So we, can I ask you
for a quick question?
231
00:11:25,978 --> 00:11:27,855
Does that gun
always have to be here?
232
00:11:34,111 --> 00:11:37,990
MARIANA: This is Primo,
who I spoke with on
the phone last night.
233
00:11:37,990 --> 00:11:39,533
Do you guys have guns?
234
00:11:39,533 --> 00:11:40,826
PRIMO: Everybody
here got a gun.
235
00:11:40,826 --> 00:11:42,620
MARIANA: So how many guns
are in this house right now?
236
00:11:42,620 --> 00:11:43,955
Just give me a sense.
237
00:11:43,955 --> 00:11:46,374
PRIMO: (bleep) You
sound like ATF right now.
238
00:11:46,374 --> 00:11:47,959
MARIANA: Do you want me to
stop asking these questions?
239
00:11:47,959 --> 00:11:49,126
PRIMO: Yeah.
240
00:11:54,632 --> 00:12:02,306
♪ ♪
241
00:12:02,306 --> 00:12:04,558
MARIANA: So you're talking
about scamming and fraud.
242
00:12:04,558 --> 00:12:06,811
Are you guys all
involved in this?
243
00:12:10,273 --> 00:12:12,441
PRIMO: I'd tell you right now
that that scamming (bleep) is
244
00:12:12,441 --> 00:12:15,778
pretty much the main market
to be in right now if you
want to make money.
245
00:12:15,778 --> 00:12:17,029
You want to stay
out of trouble.
246
00:12:17,029 --> 00:12:18,906
MARIANA: There's no risk
associated with scams?
247
00:12:18,906 --> 00:12:21,993
PROJECT FO: You got people
getting life sentences and
248
00:12:21,993 --> 00:12:24,120
getting charged with
murder for fentanyl.
249
00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:25,621
You'll get five years
doing this game right here.
250
00:12:25,621 --> 00:12:27,623
So, what's the
easier ballpark to be in?
251
00:12:27,623 --> 00:12:29,250
This, easy money.
252
00:12:29,250 --> 00:12:31,210
PRIMO: So, what we did is,
uh, we started a Scamily.
253
00:12:31,210 --> 00:12:32,461
You know what I'm saying?
254
00:12:32,461 --> 00:12:34,588
That's a family that scams.
You feel me?
255
00:12:34,588 --> 00:12:35,923
MARIANA: You said
it was a Scamily?
256
00:12:35,923 --> 00:12:37,174
PRIMO: That's my
little saying.
257
00:12:37,174 --> 00:12:38,384
I would like to
call us a Scamily.
258
00:12:38,384 --> 00:12:39,927
You know, you got
to chase the B.O.A.
259
00:12:39,927 --> 00:12:42,138
We treat you better
than your family.
260
00:12:43,431 --> 00:12:46,350
MARIANA: Each member of the
'Scamily' specializes in a
261
00:12:46,350 --> 00:12:48,269
different skillset.
262
00:12:48,269 --> 00:12:49,603
PROJECT FO: I'm the phone guy.
263
00:12:49,603 --> 00:12:51,147
MARIANA: You're the phone guy?
264
00:12:51,147 --> 00:12:52,606
PROJECT FO: Yeah.
265
00:12:52,606 --> 00:12:53,774
PRIMO: This is the, this is
the prince of Nigeria telling
266
00:12:53,774 --> 00:12:55,109
you to send the money.
267
00:12:55,109 --> 00:12:56,569
Send you a little text.
268
00:12:56,569 --> 00:12:58,529
"Your, your, your bank's been
hacked. This is Chase Bank."
269
00:12:58,529 --> 00:13:00,031
MARIANA: Yeah, I've
received these things.
270
00:13:00,031 --> 00:13:02,199
PRIMO: "Sending you an
online alert. Please sign-in."
271
00:13:02,199 --> 00:13:04,368
And you sign in
through there, you got got.
272
00:13:04,368 --> 00:13:06,245
The old school way: stealing
information and (bleep).
273
00:13:06,245 --> 00:13:08,039
We realized we
don't need that.
274
00:13:08,039 --> 00:13:09,915
People give you
the information.
275
00:13:09,915 --> 00:13:11,375
Jwett got his own ways.
276
00:13:11,375 --> 00:13:13,169
He a real good computer guy.
277
00:13:16,756 --> 00:13:18,674
PRIMO: Jwett go, "Doot,
doot, doot, doot, doo."
278
00:13:18,674 --> 00:13:22,178
Next thing you know, I got
someone's money in that card.
279
00:13:22,595 --> 00:13:25,389
MARIANA: How much money
are you guys making from
fraud or scams?
280
00:13:25,389 --> 00:13:27,433
PRIMO: Depends, really.
Sometimes, it's good days.
281
00:13:27,433 --> 00:13:29,018
Sometimes, it's bad days.
282
00:13:29,018 --> 00:13:30,394
Sometimes, it's
really good days.
283
00:13:30,394 --> 00:13:31,729
You feel me? Like....
284
00:13:31,729 --> 00:13:33,105
MARIANA: Today, for example.
PRIMO: (bleep).
285
00:13:33,105 --> 00:13:34,774
MARIANA: Did you get anything?
PRIMO: Yeah, yeah.
286
00:13:34,774 --> 00:13:36,859
Today I made a quick,
like, $9,000, but it's been a.
287
00:13:36,859 --> 00:13:39,820
MARIANA: What? $9,000?
PRIMO: Yeah.
288
00:13:41,322 --> 00:13:42,823
MARIANA: So, do you guys ever
feel bad that you're stealing
289
00:13:42,823 --> 00:13:43,908
money from other people?
290
00:13:43,908 --> 00:13:45,534
PRIMO: Not at all.
291
00:13:45,534 --> 00:13:46,494
Under a quarter million, the
bank pays that (bleep) back.
292
00:13:46,494 --> 00:13:47,703
Why would I feel bad?
I mean.
293
00:13:47,703 --> 00:13:48,496
MARIANA: But you're still
stealing from somebody.
294
00:13:48,496 --> 00:13:50,081
It's still not your money.
295
00:13:50,081 --> 00:13:51,791
So is there part of that, do you
guys get upset about that?
296
00:13:51,791 --> 00:13:53,084
PRIMO: Look.
Look, look.
297
00:13:53,084 --> 00:13:54,543
I did time for robbery
and all this (bleep).
298
00:13:54,543 --> 00:13:56,462
I tell you, I feel bad
about that sometimes.
299
00:13:56,462 --> 00:13:58,464
You know, that's not
such a victimless crime.
300
00:13:58,464 --> 00:14:00,424
You putting a gun to somebody,
you, you really traumatizing
301
00:14:00,424 --> 00:14:02,009
somebody, you feel me?
302
00:14:02,009 --> 00:14:03,344
This scamming (bleep)
is, "Ah, man, (bleep).
303
00:14:03,344 --> 00:14:05,471
This (bleep) stole
$800 from my account."
304
00:14:05,471 --> 00:14:07,264
You'll be all
right in the morning.
305
00:14:07,264 --> 00:14:10,101
MARIANA: Hmm.
PRIMO: You'll be all right.
306
00:14:10,476 --> 00:14:12,144
SAMUEL: It's not a
victimless crime.
307
00:14:12,144 --> 00:14:15,231
There are victims.
I'm a victim.
308
00:14:15,815 --> 00:14:18,734
I told the bank that money
had been fraudulently taken
309
00:14:18,734 --> 00:14:20,528
from my account.
310
00:14:20,528 --> 00:14:23,697
It was obvious that the
bank did not believe me.
311
00:14:23,697 --> 00:14:28,119
Honesty, I don't think a real
investigation ever took place.
312
00:14:28,119 --> 00:14:31,080
My economic
background plays a part.
313
00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,625
The way I look
could play a part.
314
00:14:34,625 --> 00:14:40,422
Whether I have 10 million
or whether I have $10,
315
00:14:40,422 --> 00:14:44,677
it shouldn't make a difference
in terms of how I'm treated.
316
00:14:45,928 --> 00:14:48,806
MARIANA: The 'Scamily's'
operation is just the
tip of the iceberg.
317
00:14:50,057 --> 00:14:52,476
We've heard rumors that there
are gangs engaging in
318
00:14:52,476 --> 00:14:54,895
even more ambitious scams.
319
00:14:54,895 --> 00:14:57,565
Through my sources, a member
of the Crips, who we'll call
320
00:14:57,565 --> 00:15:00,734
"Light," agrees
to speak with me.
321
00:15:06,740 --> 00:15:10,035
Light has invited me to see
the trap house where the gang
322
00:15:10,035 --> 00:15:13,330
dabbles in both the old school
methods and the new ones.
323
00:15:19,003 --> 00:15:20,713
MARIANA: What do
you have here?
324
00:15:22,923 --> 00:15:24,383
MARIANA: And
what, what's this?
325
00:15:27,553 --> 00:15:29,513
MARIANA: So what is, what
is this place, where we are?
326
00:15:32,892 --> 00:15:35,352
MARIANA: So, we have
drugs, we have guns.
327
00:15:35,352 --> 00:15:36,854
Do you have other guns
in the house as well?
328
00:15:40,441 --> 00:15:42,443
MARIANA: And this is where you
are doing your business from?
329
00:15:46,697 --> 00:15:49,658
MARIANA: So, I know that this
is your place and we have to
330
00:15:49,658 --> 00:15:52,620
get your
permission to film here.
331
00:15:52,620 --> 00:15:53,746
Right?
332
00:15:53,746 --> 00:15:56,373
Are you okay with
us filming here?
333
00:16:01,128 --> 00:16:02,129
MARIANA: Can you show me that?
334
00:16:07,384 --> 00:16:10,888
MARIANA: At a table with
three guns and one laptop,
335
00:16:10,888 --> 00:16:14,516
Light says he'll show me how he
made six figures last year.
336
00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:17,978
LIGHT: That's one deposit.
337
00:16:17,978 --> 00:16:19,897
MARIANA: Wow.
That's a lot of money.
338
00:16:26,695 --> 00:16:31,575
♪ ♪
339
00:16:31,575 --> 00:16:34,036
MARIANA: I'm in the backroom
of a Miami trap house, where a
340
00:16:34,036 --> 00:16:36,705
Crips gang member named
'Light' is showing me the
341
00:16:36,705 --> 00:16:39,291
gang's latest hustle.
342
00:16:39,291 --> 00:16:41,001
LIGHT: Do you
see this from IDS?
343
00:16:41,001 --> 00:16:43,837
Which means
Chicago unemployment.
344
00:16:43,837 --> 00:16:46,006
That's unemployed, but I
don't live in Chicago.
345
00:16:46,006 --> 00:16:48,425
I'm in Florida.
346
00:16:48,425 --> 00:16:50,803
MARIANA: Light creates a
fake insurance claim using the
347
00:16:50,803 --> 00:16:54,265
victim's real Social Security
number and birthday.
348
00:16:54,265 --> 00:16:57,476
This is more than
simple credit card fraud.
349
00:16:57,476 --> 00:17:00,479
I'm watching him steal
somebody's identity.
350
00:17:00,479 --> 00:17:02,940
LIGHT: All you have
to do is use a VPN.
351
00:17:02,940 --> 00:17:04,275
Put your VPN on.
352
00:17:04,275 --> 00:17:05,943
MARIANA: And you pretend
that you're in Chicago.
353
00:17:05,943 --> 00:17:06,735
LIGHT: You live in Florida,
but your VPN acts like you're
354
00:17:06,735 --> 00:17:09,905
in Chicago on Walnut Street.
355
00:17:09,905 --> 00:17:12,741
MARIANA: A VPN or virtual
private network disguises your
356
00:17:12,741 --> 00:17:16,537
online identity by encrypting
your connection to a network.
357
00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:19,581
Once a VPN is activated,
tracking the location of your
358
00:17:19,581 --> 00:17:22,501
device becomes
far more difficult.
359
00:17:22,501 --> 00:17:25,838
LIGHT: You're going to find any
random address from Chicago.
360
00:17:32,094 --> 00:17:33,846
You're going to put that
address that you find on the
361
00:17:33,846 --> 00:17:37,725
same application that
you're filling out the
IDS unemployment form
362
00:17:37,725 --> 00:17:39,560
and say that you live at
this address you found.
363
00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,729
You don't ever have to worry
about mail getting sent to you,
364
00:17:41,729 --> 00:17:44,732
or receiving it,
because everything is
through direct deposit.
365
00:17:45,107 --> 00:17:46,775
MARIANA: Were people making a
lot of money from the COVID
366
00:17:46,775 --> 00:17:48,319
assistance programs?
367
00:17:48,319 --> 00:17:51,113
LIGHT: I don't know
about people, but I know me.
368
00:17:51,113 --> 00:17:52,323
MARIANA: So that's a...
369
00:17:52,323 --> 00:17:53,365
LIGHT: This is (bleep) crazy.
370
00:17:53,365 --> 00:17:56,452
MARIANA: $19,314.
371
00:17:56,452 --> 00:17:57,911
But you're taking it
away from somebody else.
372
00:17:57,911 --> 00:17:58,954
How does that make you feel?
373
00:17:58,954 --> 00:18:00,331
LIGHT: It's a
dog eat dog world.
374
00:18:00,331 --> 00:18:02,249
I'd rather you, than me.
375
00:18:02,249 --> 00:18:03,834
Them or us.
376
00:18:03,834 --> 00:18:06,879
And I'm not going to
let my kids suffer.
377
00:18:06,879 --> 00:18:10,924
JESSICA: I've never
collected unemployment
before or disability.
378
00:18:10,924 --> 00:18:15,471
I owe EDD,
the state, disability,
379
00:18:15,471 --> 00:18:17,556
Social Security, money.
380
00:18:17,556 --> 00:18:21,518
$60,000 to one of them,
another $84,000 to another.
381
00:18:22,895 --> 00:18:24,938
MARIANA: Jessica is a
mental healthcare worker who
382
00:18:24,938 --> 00:18:28,901
specializes in people
experiencing homelessness.
383
00:18:29,526 --> 00:18:33,447
She's one of nearly 400,000
people whose identities were
384
00:18:33,447 --> 00:18:36,909
used to claim
government benefits in 2020.
385
00:18:37,368 --> 00:18:40,913
JESSICA: And I've been telling
my bank since September 2020
386
00:18:40,913 --> 00:18:41,955
about the fraud.
387
00:18:41,955 --> 00:18:45,834
And I probably call
them on a daily basis.
388
00:18:47,127 --> 00:18:51,507
I don't have my own identity,
meaning nothing's mine.
389
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,344
If I want groceries or
something, nine times out of ten
390
00:18:55,344 --> 00:18:57,012
it's going to take me a
half an hour to get through
391
00:18:57,012 --> 00:18:59,723
the register, because
something's not working,
392
00:18:59,723 --> 00:19:01,975
or the money's not there and,
393
00:19:01,975 --> 00:19:04,269
and I've had more
taken out, somehow.
394
00:19:04,269 --> 00:19:06,814
I have to renew my passport,
my driver's license,
395
00:19:06,814 --> 00:19:09,983
my Social Security card,
my birth certificate.
396
00:19:09,983 --> 00:19:11,610
That all costs money.
397
00:19:11,610 --> 00:19:14,196
Right now, my bank account,
I'm negative $3,000 and it's
398
00:19:14,196 --> 00:19:16,115
been since January.
399
00:19:16,115 --> 00:19:19,451
I think if it ever ends,
400
00:19:20,494 --> 00:19:23,789
which I don't know
if it will, um,
401
00:19:24,832 --> 00:19:27,751
it's gonna be a long
recovery to trust people.
402
00:19:38,721 --> 00:19:41,974
MARIANA: This is Assistant
Special Agent Charles Leopard.
403
00:19:41,974 --> 00:19:45,018
His department is dedicated to
catching data thieves before
404
00:19:45,018 --> 00:19:48,439
stolen information ends up
for sale on the dark web.
405
00:19:49,898 --> 00:19:51,275
LEOPARD: So, in this room,
this is part of our
406
00:19:51,275 --> 00:19:53,026
computer forensics lab.
407
00:19:53,026 --> 00:19:57,030
This is an example of what we
commonly find in gas pumps.
408
00:19:57,030 --> 00:19:59,491
This would be what we call
more of an overlay skimmer.
409
00:19:59,491 --> 00:20:01,869
They would replace the card
reader that's currently there.
410
00:20:01,869 --> 00:20:05,831
We call this a shimmer and
these were designed to go into
411
00:20:05,831 --> 00:20:08,709
an existing card reader.
412
00:20:08,709 --> 00:20:11,420
MARIANA: Agent Leopard and his
team show us how older methods
413
00:20:11,420 --> 00:20:13,964
of theft are
constantly being updated.
414
00:20:15,007 --> 00:20:16,467
INVESTIGATOR: More and more
of these skimmers are
415
00:20:16,467 --> 00:20:17,968
Bluetooth enabled.
416
00:20:17,968 --> 00:20:20,471
The reason behind that is that
you have the individuals that
417
00:20:20,471 --> 00:20:22,473
now don't have to go back
in and take the skimmer
418
00:20:22,473 --> 00:20:25,017
off the gas pump.
419
00:20:28,854 --> 00:20:29,855
OFFICER: Good
morning everybody.
420
00:20:29,855 --> 00:20:31,607
Thank you for
being here today.
421
00:20:31,607 --> 00:20:34,735
We're going to be briefing
in regards to the arrest of a
422
00:20:34,735 --> 00:20:38,447
known large-scale trafficker
of stolen credit card account
423
00:20:38,447 --> 00:20:40,532
numbers obtained from
illegally placed credit card
424
00:20:40,532 --> 00:20:43,702
skimming devices
at gasoline pumps.
425
00:20:44,328 --> 00:20:45,496
LEOPARD: Now, we'll just have
them park there and tell them
426
00:20:45,496 --> 00:20:48,332
to just hang out, until
we figure things out.
427
00:20:48,332 --> 00:20:50,209
All right, man.
428
00:20:50,209 --> 00:20:52,336
MARIANA: Leopard is part of a
joint operation between the
429
00:20:52,336 --> 00:20:55,672
secret service
and local police.
430
00:20:55,672 --> 00:20:57,549
They're tracking down one
of these scammers who
431
00:20:57,549 --> 00:21:01,261
steals credit card
information from gas stations.
432
00:21:07,851 --> 00:21:10,145
OFFICER (over phone):
We're all good to go,
so start rolling through.
433
00:21:10,145 --> 00:21:11,939
OFFICER: All right.
434
00:21:18,111 --> 00:21:20,739
(speaking Spanish)
435
00:21:21,323 --> 00:21:22,825
OFFICER: Back up.
OFFICER: Stay right there.
436
00:21:22,825 --> 00:21:24,451
(speaking Spanish)
437
00:21:24,451 --> 00:21:25,911
MAN: Go ahead, man.
438
00:21:25,911 --> 00:21:27,538
OFFICER: Police warrant!
439
00:21:27,538 --> 00:21:28,789
Come to the door!
440
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:30,582
OFFICER: You're clear right.
441
00:21:31,416 --> 00:21:32,835
OFFICER 2: Watch your right.
Back of the room.
442
00:21:32,835 --> 00:21:35,712
OFFICER: Go ahead.
Go ahead.
443
00:21:36,255 --> 00:21:37,714
OFFICER: Police!
444
00:21:37,714 --> 00:21:39,466
(crying)
445
00:21:39,466 --> 00:21:42,135
MARIANA: In the end, the
suspect is arrested.
446
00:21:42,135 --> 00:21:43,262
LEOPARD: Okay.
OFFICER: Okay?
447
00:21:43,262 --> 00:21:45,430
We're gonna take him in mine...
448
00:21:46,181 --> 00:21:48,475
MARIANA: Leopard says these
street-level data thieves
449
00:21:48,475 --> 00:21:51,061
have recognized that
skimmers are an easy way
450
00:21:51,061 --> 00:21:53,105
to make a quick buck.
451
00:21:53,105 --> 00:21:58,151
But the secret service has
been tracking the rise of
a much bigger threat.
452
00:21:59,403 --> 00:22:00,863
REPORTER: Ransomware attacks
against TV stations,
453
00:22:00,863 --> 00:22:04,032
food and fuel suppliers,
hospitals, water systems
454
00:22:04,032 --> 00:22:06,159
and all levels of government.
455
00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:08,954
REPRESENTATIVE: Behind these
sophisticated attacks,
456
00:22:08,954 --> 00:22:11,623
there is real world harm
where people's life savings,
457
00:22:11,623 --> 00:22:15,127
people's, uh, companies are
being compromised by
458
00:22:15,127 --> 00:22:16,962
these individuals.
459
00:22:17,379 --> 00:22:20,173
MARIANA: Ransomware is a type
of malicious software that
460
00:22:20,173 --> 00:22:23,635
attackers use to infect
computers and then hold
461
00:22:23,635 --> 00:22:28,682
sensitive data hostage, until
the victim pays for its release.
462
00:22:29,266 --> 00:22:33,520
In 2021, nearly 70% of
businesses worldwide
463
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,149
were victimized by ransomware.
464
00:22:37,149 --> 00:22:39,359
LEOPARD: So one of the biggest
issues with cybercrime is that
465
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,945
it is borderless.
466
00:22:42,946 --> 00:22:45,699
You normally have
networks of criminals.
467
00:22:45,699 --> 00:22:49,286
And you may have a hacker
who resides in Romania
or Eastern Europe.
468
00:22:49,286 --> 00:22:51,163
BIDEN: Responsible countries
need to take action against
469
00:22:51,163 --> 00:22:55,667
criminals who conduct ransomware
activities on their territory.
470
00:22:55,667 --> 00:22:57,210
REPORTER (over TV): We know tha
it's concentrated in Romania.
471
00:22:57,210 --> 00:22:58,837
REPORTER (over TV): Romania.
472
00:22:58,837 --> 00:23:00,130
REPORTER (over TV): Romania in
Southeastern Europe is
473
00:23:00,130 --> 00:23:03,383
considered the cybercrime
capital of the world.
474
00:23:03,383 --> 00:23:05,177
MARIANA: That's my next stop.
475
00:23:05,177 --> 00:23:07,721
I want to know why Romania
has become such a hotbed for
476
00:23:07,721 --> 00:23:10,432
cybercrime and try to track down
477
00:23:10,432 --> 00:23:13,060
one of these
ransomware attackers.
478
00:23:19,358 --> 00:23:26,573
♪ ♪
479
00:23:26,573 --> 00:23:28,867
MARIANA: I kept hearing
about Romania, Romania.
480
00:23:28,867 --> 00:23:30,160
Why Romania?
481
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,162
ALINKA: Romania has the
fastest internet speed.
482
00:23:32,162 --> 00:23:34,957
It's not the top internet
speed of the world,
483
00:23:34,957 --> 00:23:36,708
but it's in the top five.
484
00:23:37,876 --> 00:23:39,586
MARIANA: Alinka is a local
producer who grew up at
485
00:23:39,586 --> 00:23:41,922
the height of the internet
boom in Romania.
486
00:23:41,922 --> 00:23:43,882
ALINKA: Right after the
communist regime fell,
487
00:23:43,882 --> 00:23:45,884
it was pretty much the
wild west over here.
488
00:23:45,884 --> 00:23:47,928
There was
absolutely no regulation.
489
00:23:47,928 --> 00:23:49,429
MARIANA: Oh.
490
00:23:49,429 --> 00:23:51,056
ALINKA: That's why you had so
many hackers flourishing here.
491
00:23:51,056 --> 00:23:53,809
Nobody knew what they were
doing in order to combat them.
492
00:23:53,809 --> 00:23:56,311
We have a lot of engineers, a
lot of tech savvy people here.
493
00:23:56,311 --> 00:23:57,854
MARIANA: Mm-hmm.
494
00:23:57,854 --> 00:24:00,482
ALINKA: It's part of the
culture, if you want, to be
495
00:24:00,482 --> 00:24:04,736
tech savvy was seen as this
epiphany of intellectualness.
496
00:24:04,736 --> 00:24:06,279
MARIANA: Mm-hmm.
497
00:24:06,655 --> 00:24:08,573
I know it's been hard to
get people to talk to us.
498
00:24:08,573 --> 00:24:11,034
Does it look like we, we're
gonna be able to talk to people?
499
00:24:11,034 --> 00:24:13,620
ALINKA: People involved in
criminal activities are also
500
00:24:13,620 --> 00:24:15,122
weary because they're,
sometimes they don't even
501
00:24:15,122 --> 00:24:16,331
believe you're a journalist.
502
00:24:16,331 --> 00:24:17,749
You might be an
undercover cop.
503
00:24:17,749 --> 00:24:19,167
MARIANA: Right.
504
00:24:19,167 --> 00:24:21,128
ALINKA: Well, let's see how
your charm works because mine
505
00:24:21,128 --> 00:24:24,005
is a little bit at
the end right now.
506
00:24:27,718 --> 00:24:31,138
MARIANA: The next morning,
I get my chance.
507
00:24:31,138 --> 00:24:33,557
Alinka gives me the address
of a notorious hacker,
508
00:24:33,557 --> 00:24:37,227
who lives in a middle class
neighborhood in Bucharest.
509
00:24:37,227 --> 00:24:39,062
ALINK (over phone): Be careful,
he's a little bit skittish.
510
00:24:39,062 --> 00:24:42,482
He's waiting for you, but he's
a little bit nervous and well,
511
00:24:42,482 --> 00:24:44,609
he's an active, a
real active hacker, so.
512
00:24:44,609 --> 00:24:45,944
MARIANA: Okay.
513
00:24:45,944 --> 00:24:47,195
ALINKA (over phone):
Expect skittishness.
514
00:24:47,195 --> 00:24:48,321
MARIANA: Okay, yeah.
515
00:24:48,321 --> 00:24:49,948
ALINKA (over phone): Good luck.
516
00:24:55,162 --> 00:24:56,246
JOHN SMITH (over intercom):
Hello?
517
00:24:56,246 --> 00:24:58,165
MARIANA: Hi, Mariana here.
518
00:24:58,165 --> 00:24:59,499
JOHN SMITH (over intercom):
Hi. Come on.
519
00:24:59,499 --> 00:25:02,002
MARIANA: Okay, thank you.
520
00:25:05,088 --> 00:25:07,174
He's pulled out a
couple of times already.
521
00:25:07,174 --> 00:25:11,219
I'm hoping that he's still
interested in talking to us.
522
00:25:19,478 --> 00:25:21,563
Do you characterize
yourself as being a hacker?
523
00:25:21,563 --> 00:25:23,607
JOHN SMITH: I have a
problem with the definition.
524
00:25:23,607 --> 00:25:25,400
MARIANA: Why's that?
525
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,069
JOHN SMITH: There are hackers
and then there are hackers.
526
00:25:28,069 --> 00:25:32,240
Most of the time, what you
see on the news, that's just
527
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,868
somebody that managed to pick
up a piece of software,
528
00:25:34,868 --> 00:25:36,912
then they got caught
because they didn't know
529
00:25:36,912 --> 00:25:38,413
what they were doing.
530
00:25:38,413 --> 00:25:40,207
MARIANA: How many people do
you think here in Romania are
531
00:25:40,207 --> 00:25:41,792
capable of doing what you do?
532
00:25:41,792 --> 00:25:44,169
JOHN SMITH: I
guess less than ten.
533
00:25:44,169 --> 00:25:46,838
MARIANA: Wow.
Less than ten.
534
00:25:46,838 --> 00:25:50,175
JOHN SMITH: You enjoy the
power, let's say, to do it.
535
00:25:51,343 --> 00:25:54,137
MARIANA: Meet a man
we'll call John Smith.
536
00:25:54,137 --> 00:25:57,099
By day, he's a
cyber-security specialist.
537
00:25:57,099 --> 00:26:02,395
But after hours, he's a
developer of ransomware and
spyware.
538
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:07,359
Do you consider yourself
a good guy or a bad guy?
539
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,070
JOHN SMITH: It depends.
540
00:26:10,904 --> 00:26:14,032
If I'm over here at this
computer, then I'm doing
541
00:26:14,032 --> 00:26:16,993
security for
different companies.
542
00:26:16,993 --> 00:26:21,665
If I'm someplace else,
543
00:26:21,665 --> 00:26:24,209
I take a laptop and
go and have some fun.
544
00:26:24,209 --> 00:26:26,253
Then I'm the other guy.
545
00:26:26,253 --> 00:26:28,004
MARIANA: The bad guy?
546
00:26:29,673 --> 00:26:31,842
What can you tell me
about ransomware attacks?
547
00:26:31,842 --> 00:26:35,470
JOHN SMITH: It's just a
basic blackmailing scheme.
548
00:26:36,012 --> 00:26:38,849
And all you need is a way in.
549
00:26:38,849 --> 00:26:43,520
And then if you're able to
encrypt all the computers,
550
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,605
that's the game.
551
00:26:45,605 --> 00:26:48,108
Just delete the encryption key,
keep it for yourself and
552
00:26:48,108 --> 00:26:51,069
if they pay you,
give it back, or not.
553
00:26:51,069 --> 00:26:53,071
MARIANA: Right.
554
00:26:53,071 --> 00:26:55,240
JOHN SMITH: Need my laptop.
555
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,534
You know, I'm working
on a small side project.
556
00:26:57,534 --> 00:26:59,494
Antennas.
557
00:26:59,494 --> 00:27:01,163
Okay.
558
00:27:01,163 --> 00:27:02,330
We're going in the field.
559
00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:03,456
MARIANA: Oh, we're
going in the field?
560
00:27:03,456 --> 00:27:04,833
You're taking me with you?
561
00:27:04,833 --> 00:27:06,334
JOHN SMITH: I don't know.
You want to come?
562
00:27:06,334 --> 00:27:07,460
MARIANA: Yeah, I do.
563
00:27:07,460 --> 00:27:08,587
JOHN SMITH: Are you sure?
564
00:27:08,587 --> 00:27:10,547
MARIANA: Oh, yeah.
I'm very sure.
565
00:27:13,049 --> 00:27:17,179
♪ ♪
566
00:27:18,471 --> 00:27:20,390
JOHN SMITH: So we're going
to the main headquarters
567
00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:23,226
of this utility company,
just to check out
568
00:27:23,226 --> 00:27:25,353
their wireless infrastructure.
569
00:27:25,729 --> 00:27:28,189
What I'm trying to figure
out, if there's actually any
570
00:27:28,189 --> 00:27:30,734
security whatsoever.
571
00:27:30,734 --> 00:27:34,654
This is a wireless adapter that
has quite an increased range.
572
00:27:38,408 --> 00:27:40,952
MARIANA: Oh, my
God, the police.
573
00:27:40,952 --> 00:27:42,329
Do you want to go
somewhere else?
574
00:27:42,329 --> 00:27:45,248
JOHN SMITH: Ah, we are moving
to the secondary position.
575
00:27:48,376 --> 00:27:49,502
That was weird.
576
00:27:49,502 --> 00:27:52,172
And we're, we're moving.
577
00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:58,178
That wasn't the police,
that was the Romanian
Intelligence Service.
578
00:28:01,932 --> 00:28:05,644
So, I'm just
gonna do this again.
579
00:28:05,644 --> 00:28:08,521
MARIANA: I was a little nervous
before, now I'm extra nervous.
580
00:28:10,357 --> 00:28:12,525
You're trying to see if
there's a vulnerability,
581
00:28:12,525 --> 00:28:13,860
if you can get into the Wi-Fi.
582
00:28:13,860 --> 00:28:15,278
JOHN SMITH: Yeah.
MARIANA: Without a password.
583
00:28:16,863 --> 00:28:19,157
I think it's the first time in
my life that I'm actually
584
00:28:19,157 --> 00:28:21,993
witnessing somebody hacking.
585
00:28:21,993 --> 00:28:24,996
So the company is the glass
building actually right behind,
586
00:28:24,996 --> 00:28:26,373
right next to us.
587
00:28:26,373 --> 00:28:28,750
JOHN SMITH: Yeah.
All of it. All of it, yeah.
588
00:28:29,042 --> 00:28:31,169
MARIANA: What John is
attempting happens in various
589
00:28:31,169 --> 00:28:34,798
forms every day
around the globe.
590
00:28:34,798 --> 00:28:38,218
Sometimes to
devastating effect.
591
00:28:39,302 --> 00:28:40,512
DAWNA: Good evening
and thanks for joining us.
592
00:28:40,512 --> 00:28:42,555
We begin with the brazen
cyber-attack that has shut
593
00:28:42,555 --> 00:28:45,517
down the biggest
pipeline in the United States.
594
00:28:45,517 --> 00:28:49,354
MARIANA: In May of 2021,
Colonial Pipeline became the
595
00:28:49,354 --> 00:28:51,773
victim of a ransomware attack.
596
00:28:51,773 --> 00:28:55,402
It wreaked so much havoc, the
company shut down operations
597
00:28:55,402 --> 00:29:00,281
to the pipeline that supplies
45% of fuel to the east coast.
598
00:29:01,199 --> 00:29:03,994
BIDEN: I want to update
everyone on the ransomware
599
00:29:03,994 --> 00:29:07,789
cyber-attack that impacted
on the Colonial Pipeline
600
00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:08,957
over this past week.
601
00:29:09,499 --> 00:29:12,419
REPORTER: Colonial Pipeline
paid nearly $5 million in
602
00:29:12,419 --> 00:29:15,296
ransom to hackers who
infiltrated their system.
603
00:29:16,256 --> 00:29:19,342
JOHN SMITH: The main company
seems to have taken at least a
604
00:29:19,342 --> 00:29:22,595
few steps towards
protecting themselves.
605
00:29:22,595 --> 00:29:27,058
But it's not that.
There is no Wi-Fi here.
606
00:29:27,058 --> 00:29:29,269
MARIANA: How is that possible?
607
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:31,730
JOHN SMITH: It's too far
inside of the building and
608
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:34,858
we can't get it from out here.
609
00:29:34,858 --> 00:29:36,484
And now we go to plan B.
610
00:29:36,484 --> 00:29:38,319
MARIANA: What's plan B?
611
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:42,032
JOHN SMITH: Plan B is to go to
a smaller company that's
612
00:29:42,032 --> 00:29:43,867
part of this one, that
shouldn't have the same
613
00:29:43,867 --> 00:29:45,827
level of security.
614
00:29:45,827 --> 00:29:48,329
MARIANA: Affiliated companies
often share the same network
615
00:29:48,329 --> 00:29:51,708
access, but might have
less stringent security.
616
00:29:52,333 --> 00:29:54,419
In the case of Colonial
Pipeline, the ransomware
617
00:29:54,419 --> 00:29:57,547
attackers didn't gain access
to the operational network
618
00:29:57,547 --> 00:30:00,842
controlling the pipeline
itself, they found a way in
619
00:30:00,842 --> 00:30:04,304
through the
company's billing system.
620
00:30:04,304 --> 00:30:06,556
JOHN SMITH: The whole problem
with security is that the good
621
00:30:06,556 --> 00:30:10,310
guys need to find each and
every hole in the system.
622
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:12,437
The bad guy needs to find one.
623
00:30:20,528 --> 00:30:27,327
♪ ♪
624
00:30:32,332 --> 00:30:33,750
MARIANA: I'm with a man
that some consider
625
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:36,711
one of the
top hackers in Romania.
626
00:30:36,711 --> 00:30:40,632
He's attempting to get
inside the computer system
of a major utility.
627
00:30:41,466 --> 00:30:48,139
♪ ♪
628
00:30:49,682 --> 00:30:51,768
JOHN SMITH: Let's
try this again.
629
00:30:54,813 --> 00:30:58,149
This is just gonna go with some
passwords and try and get in.
630
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:59,692
MARIANA: Oh, wow.
631
00:30:59,692 --> 00:31:01,611
JOHN SMITH: It
just found the key.
632
00:31:01,611 --> 00:31:02,946
MARIANA: Okay.
633
00:31:02,946 --> 00:31:04,989
So now that you have this
information, you have a way in?
634
00:31:04,989 --> 00:31:07,575
JOHN SMITH: I have a way into
their local network over here.
635
00:31:07,575 --> 00:31:11,621
You search for vulnerable
computers and hopefully we can
636
00:31:11,621 --> 00:31:15,250
gain some traction on our
target, the power company.
637
00:31:15,250 --> 00:31:17,794
MARIANA: Are you shocked
that you were able to
actually get in?
638
00:31:17,794 --> 00:31:19,212
Are you surprised?
639
00:31:19,212 --> 00:31:23,299
JOHN SMITH: I'm surprised that
their security measures are
640
00:31:23,299 --> 00:31:25,051
basically nonexistent.
641
00:31:25,051 --> 00:31:28,805
When you manage to get a foot
in the door this easily,
642
00:31:28,805 --> 00:31:33,143
it's probably going to get
even easier from here on out.
643
00:31:33,143 --> 00:31:35,228
MARIANA: And then what do
you do with that information?
644
00:31:35,228 --> 00:31:37,564
JOHN SMITH: We will see.
645
00:31:38,565 --> 00:31:41,568
MARIANA: John insists this
'side project' was just to
646
00:31:41,568 --> 00:31:43,403
satisfy his curiosity.
647
00:31:43,403 --> 00:31:46,030
But he could make a lot of
money if he decided to take
648
00:31:46,030 --> 00:31:48,241
the experiment further.
649
00:31:48,241 --> 00:31:51,744
In the ransomware game,
this role is known as an
650
00:31:51,744 --> 00:31:54,289
initial access broker.
651
00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:57,167
Someone who sells the details
of how to access a computer
652
00:31:57,167 --> 00:32:01,796
network to other criminals,
who then conduct the attack.
653
00:32:01,796 --> 00:32:04,174
It's a lucrative gig.
654
00:32:12,807 --> 00:32:15,685
I want to learn more.
655
00:32:16,644 --> 00:32:18,730
CATALIN: So this
is our threat map.
656
00:32:18,730 --> 00:32:21,232
MARIANA: Bitdefender tracks
reports of hacking and
657
00:32:21,232 --> 00:32:24,068
cyber security threats
all around the world.
658
00:32:24,068 --> 00:32:25,904
This is what's happening
right now? In real life?
659
00:32:25,904 --> 00:32:26,821
CATALIN: Yes.
This is real-time.
660
00:32:26,821 --> 00:32:28,865
This is just 3%
of what we see.
661
00:32:28,865 --> 00:32:30,325
MARIANA: Really?
CATALIN: Yeah, yeah.
662
00:32:30,325 --> 00:32:31,701
MARIANA: So if everything was
here, what would we be seeing?
663
00:32:31,701 --> 00:32:32,744
Just...
664
00:32:32,744 --> 00:32:34,120
CATALIN: It would be all red.
665
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,539
The human eye wouldn't be
able to, to see all the dots.
666
00:32:36,539 --> 00:32:40,293
BOGDAN: We process about 36
billion events every day.
667
00:32:40,293 --> 00:32:42,378
MARIANA: No.
BOGDAN: So, yes.
668
00:32:44,255 --> 00:32:46,257
MARIANA: Bitdefender has
been collecting data on
669
00:32:46,257 --> 00:32:48,593
cyber-attacks for decades.
670
00:32:48,593 --> 00:32:51,888
But in recent years, their
threat map is increasingly
671
00:32:51,888 --> 00:32:55,725
being overrun with ransomware
cases carried out by a new
672
00:32:55,725 --> 00:32:58,937
generation of professionals.
673
00:32:58,937 --> 00:33:01,314
CATALIN: Ransomware has been
around for the past 32 years,
674
00:33:01,314 --> 00:33:04,901
but only in the last five years
that it's became so prevalent.
675
00:33:04,901 --> 00:33:07,946
They are more organized and
more better prepared than
676
00:33:07,946 --> 00:33:10,573
many of the
organizations out there.
677
00:33:10,573 --> 00:33:12,909
MARIANA: Everybody's a
possible victim of this.
678
00:33:12,909 --> 00:33:16,162
Like hospitals, I'm assuming
airports, governments,
679
00:33:16,162 --> 00:33:17,914
weapons companies.
680
00:33:17,914 --> 00:33:19,624
CATALIN: So cyber-attacks
can lead to...
681
00:33:19,624 --> 00:33:21,084
MARIANA: To death. Yeah.
CATALIN: Yeah, yeah.
682
00:33:21,084 --> 00:33:22,710
If it's critical
infrastructure, we're talking
683
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:24,379
about tens of
millions of dollars.
684
00:33:24,379 --> 00:33:26,839
So they're actually running
this cybercrime as they're
685
00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:28,132
running a business.
686
00:33:28,132 --> 00:33:29,717
They have their PR person.
687
00:33:29,717 --> 00:33:30,760
They have negotiators.
688
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,388
They have tools that
to, to launder money.
689
00:33:33,388 --> 00:33:35,848
MARIANA: The level of
organization surprised me,
690
00:33:35,848 --> 00:33:38,851
the cyber criminals I've met
are all about keeping
691
00:33:38,851 --> 00:33:40,979
a low profile.
692
00:33:40,979 --> 00:33:43,898
But these ransomware cartels
are different, and more
693
00:33:43,898 --> 00:33:47,568
ruthless than anything
I'd encountered before.
694
00:33:47,568 --> 00:33:52,073
Some of their favorite targets
include hospitals and schools.
695
00:33:53,866 --> 00:33:55,910
JIM: So as I'm driving home
that night and I'm starting to
696
00:33:55,910 --> 00:34:00,999
get more and more, um, texts
and calls about problems that
697
00:34:00,999 --> 00:34:02,333
people are experiencing.
698
00:34:02,333 --> 00:34:05,420
I'm very quickly realizing
that this is not just a few
699
00:34:05,420 --> 00:34:07,922
isolated incidences,
but there's something
700
00:34:07,922 --> 00:34:09,716
bigger going on.
701
00:34:09,716 --> 00:34:11,968
MARIANA: On the night
before Thanksgiving in 2020,
702
00:34:11,968 --> 00:34:15,930
a ransomware group attacked the
Baltimore County school system,
703
00:34:15,930 --> 00:34:18,391
taking its computer
network hostage.
704
00:34:18,391 --> 00:34:21,686
Jim Corns is the executive
director of the county's
705
00:34:21,686 --> 00:34:23,563
IT department.
706
00:34:23,563 --> 00:34:26,858
JIM: As we realized that, that
we had had an attack,
707
00:34:26,858 --> 00:34:30,028
we had to call our leadership
in, in the school system to
708
00:34:30,028 --> 00:34:31,904
let them know that
something was happening,
709
00:34:31,904 --> 00:34:35,033
because decisions had to
be made right away.
710
00:34:35,033 --> 00:34:37,201
We had a day of school that
was coming up the next day,
711
00:34:37,201 --> 00:34:40,913
and, and we didn't have a
way to present instruction.
712
00:34:40,913 --> 00:34:42,790
MARIANA: This was peak COVID.
713
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:45,793
Baltimore County's
156 schools,
714
00:34:45,793 --> 00:34:50,131
and more than 100,000
students were all virtual.
715
00:34:50,131 --> 00:34:53,343
That's why schools have
become such obvious targets.
716
00:34:53,634 --> 00:34:56,888
Lock teachers and staff out of
their devices and the entire
717
00:34:56,888 --> 00:34:59,766
school system is paralyzed.
718
00:34:59,766 --> 00:35:04,395
JIM: It was
inexplicably, uh, stressful.
719
00:35:04,395 --> 00:35:06,939
Every minute that we weren't
on the problem was a minute
720
00:35:06,939 --> 00:35:09,025
that we, we had lost.
721
00:35:09,025 --> 00:35:10,902
Our students weren't in
contact with our teachers.
722
00:35:10,902 --> 00:35:14,614
And there was more pressure
than I've, I've ever felt.
723
00:35:14,614 --> 00:35:18,868
We have contacted both local and
federal, uh, law enforcement.
724
00:35:19,243 --> 00:35:21,788
KELLY: The ransomware attack on
Baltimore County public schools
725
00:35:21,788 --> 00:35:25,083
is hurting an already
hard-hit educational effort.
726
00:35:25,083 --> 00:35:26,918
MARIANA: Jim won't say
whether the county paid
727
00:35:26,918 --> 00:35:28,753
the attackers or not.
728
00:35:28,753 --> 00:35:31,047
But there are reports that the
cost of the attack is nearing
729
00:35:31,047 --> 00:35:33,633
$10 million.
730
00:35:33,633 --> 00:35:36,636
And he tells me that doesn't
include damages like decades
731
00:35:36,636 --> 00:35:40,139
of lost teaching
materials and student records.
732
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,893
JIM: It's like having our
house burned down and walking
733
00:35:43,893 --> 00:35:47,063
through that house, looking
for anything that was left.
734
00:35:47,063 --> 00:35:50,983
One of the, the biggest
things we lost was our
735
00:35:50,983 --> 00:35:53,111
sense of security.
736
00:35:53,861 --> 00:35:58,074
When everything is suspect,
uh, you, you don't trust any
737
00:35:58,074 --> 00:36:00,493
of the, the
systems that you have.
738
00:36:00,493 --> 00:36:03,329
And we end up with this
feeling that there's something
739
00:36:03,329 --> 00:36:06,124
lurking there,
waiting for you.
740
00:36:06,124 --> 00:36:08,000
MARIANA: That's who I
want to find; one of the
741
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,294
big ransomware players.
742
00:36:10,294 --> 00:36:12,004
And as I continue to research,
743
00:36:12,004 --> 00:36:14,757
one name keeps rising
to the surface.
744
00:36:15,425 --> 00:36:16,426
WOMAN: LockBit.
MAN: LockBit.
745
00:36:16,426 --> 00:36:17,635
MAN: LockBit.
MAN: LockBit.
746
00:36:17,635 --> 00:36:19,220
REPORTER: As LockBit ransomware.
747
00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:21,139
MARIANA: I find
it in FBI reports.
748
00:36:21,139 --> 00:36:23,099
And in hacker forums.
749
00:36:23,099 --> 00:36:25,101
It's both the name of the
ransomware group with the
750
00:36:25,101 --> 00:36:28,855
fastest encryption speeds in
the world and the name of the
751
00:36:28,855 --> 00:36:32,483
leader and developer at the top
of this formidable organization.
752
00:36:34,068 --> 00:36:36,863
MAN: We hacked your company
yesterday and now we have
753
00:36:36,863 --> 00:36:39,991
around 80 gigabytes
of your company data.
754
00:36:39,991 --> 00:36:42,118
MARIANA: The rumors
about him swirled.
755
00:36:42,118 --> 00:36:43,494
But there's no doubt
756
00:36:43,494 --> 00:36:44,954
that LockBit's attacks
757
00:36:44,954 --> 00:36:47,707
are creating chaos
around the globe.
758
00:36:47,707 --> 00:36:50,793
Which is why I
really want to find him.
759
00:36:51,210 --> 00:36:53,337
His name is 'LockBit.'
Have you heard of them?
760
00:36:53,337 --> 00:36:54,964
JON: Oh, yeah!
761
00:36:54,964 --> 00:36:57,258
LockBit's one of the most
dangerous and effective groups
762
00:36:57,258 --> 00:36:59,552
that exist today.
763
00:36:59,552 --> 00:37:01,846
MARIANA: Reaching out to
anyone in the underworld is
764
00:37:01,846 --> 00:37:04,682
always tricky but the
search for LockBit makes me
765
00:37:04,682 --> 00:37:06,767
especially nervous.
766
00:37:06,767 --> 00:37:09,771
He's engaged in attacks right
now, complete with countdown
767
00:37:09,771 --> 00:37:13,149
clocks, tracking when he'll
release sensitive data if a
768
00:37:13,149 --> 00:37:15,985
ransom isn't paid.
769
00:37:15,985 --> 00:37:17,528
Back in the States,
770
00:37:17,528 --> 00:37:20,490
I connect with several
security experts for guidance.
771
00:37:20,490 --> 00:37:23,242
NATE: If you get in contact,
what they're probably going to
do is they're going to want to
772
00:37:23,242 --> 00:37:25,036
talk to you on, like, one of
these secured messaging clients.
773
00:37:25,036 --> 00:37:26,370
MARIANA: Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
774
00:37:26,370 --> 00:37:27,830
NATE: So there's one that
uses, uh, what's called the
775
00:37:27,830 --> 00:37:29,499
Tor Network, which is an
anonymized, it's where the
776
00:37:29,499 --> 00:37:31,083
dark web is. Right?
777
00:37:31,083 --> 00:37:32,251
MARIANA: The dark web, yup.
778
00:37:32,251 --> 00:37:33,544
You know, I'm a little
bit on edge dealing with.
779
00:37:33,544 --> 00:37:35,129
JON (over phone): Yeah.
780
00:37:35,129 --> 00:37:36,839
MARIANA: The person that I
know can find out everything
781
00:37:36,839 --> 00:37:39,509
he wants about me in a second,
so that puts, that makes me
nervous.
782
00:37:39,509 --> 00:37:41,177
JON (over phone): Right.
783
00:37:41,177 --> 00:37:43,012
That's a good thing, because
being, being nervous means
784
00:37:43,012 --> 00:37:45,223
you're going to be paranoid,
and being paranoid is what's
785
00:37:45,223 --> 00:37:47,016
going to keep you safe when
you're dealing with this
786
00:37:47,016 --> 00:37:48,392
sort of element.
787
00:37:48,392 --> 00:37:49,852
MARIANA: Yeah. They're the
people that everybody else is
788
00:37:49,852 --> 00:37:51,729
running away from
and we're chasing.
789
00:37:51,729 --> 00:37:54,398
JON (over phone):
Yeah. Exactly.
790
00:37:54,398 --> 00:37:56,192
NATE: So they're probably
going to do some level of
791
00:37:56,192 --> 00:37:58,986
reconnaissance against you,
just to make sure that you're
792
00:37:58,986 --> 00:38:01,656
not the FBI or, you know,
the NSA, or something.
793
00:38:01,656 --> 00:38:03,115
MARIANA: Mm-hmm.
794
00:38:03,115 --> 00:38:05,201
NATE: The thing that I would
definitely, um, caution you is
795
00:38:05,201 --> 00:38:07,829
that they know that they're
cybercriminals, but do treat
796
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:09,455
them, treat them with respect.
797
00:38:09,455 --> 00:38:12,208
MARIANA: Um, so if I was to
try and get in touch with,
798
00:38:12,208 --> 00:38:14,377
you know, the people at the
top, what, what do you think
799
00:38:14,377 --> 00:38:16,045
I should do?
How do I start?
800
00:38:16,045 --> 00:38:19,257
NATE: One of my guys
has some friends, he,
he knows a middle man
801
00:38:19,257 --> 00:38:22,051
that can talk to these folks on
your behalf and set it up.
802
00:38:22,051 --> 00:38:25,596
And so basically, he's,
he will probably broker
the conversation.
803
00:38:25,596 --> 00:38:27,640
MARIANA: That's great.
804
00:38:28,349 --> 00:38:31,102
The person I begin texting
with is called Blackrabbit.
805
00:38:31,102 --> 00:38:35,064
He or she tells me these
forums are heavily encrypted
806
00:38:35,064 --> 00:38:38,192
and guarded against outsiders.
807
00:38:39,485 --> 00:38:42,655
But Blackrabbit agrees to
vouch for me if I can prove
808
00:38:42,655 --> 00:38:44,782
I am who I say I am.
809
00:38:44,782 --> 00:38:46,284
How do I know you're
really from Nat Geo?
810
00:38:46,284 --> 00:38:47,827
Can you send me a
picture of yourself?
811
00:38:47,827 --> 00:38:50,079
Huh.
812
00:38:50,496 --> 00:38:52,456
(laughing)
813
00:38:52,456 --> 00:38:53,499
Okay.
814
00:38:53,499 --> 00:38:55,084
Is this a good idea?
815
00:38:55,084 --> 00:38:58,212
I'm basically dangling myself
as bait in front of the
816
00:38:58,212 --> 00:39:00,840
top ransomware
hackers in the world.
817
00:39:01,549 --> 00:39:04,677
"Okay.
I will help you."
818
00:39:04,677 --> 00:39:06,137
Wow.
819
00:39:06,137 --> 00:39:08,431
Blackrabbit explains that the
ransomware scene is full of
820
00:39:08,431 --> 00:39:12,059
big egos, big money,
and big rivalries.
821
00:39:13,019 --> 00:39:15,438
Normally, none of the
top players would talk.
822
00:39:15,438 --> 00:39:18,608
But he thinks we're reaching out
to LockBit at the right time.
823
00:39:18,608 --> 00:39:21,652
His operation has become the
most profitable in the world
824
00:39:21,652 --> 00:39:24,488
and he may be eager
to promote his brand.
825
00:39:25,406 --> 00:39:28,242
Blackrabbit connects
us on a dark web forum.
826
00:39:28,242 --> 00:39:30,453
I wait a day.
Then another.
827
00:39:30,453 --> 00:39:34,081
Finally, someone that I'm
told is LockBit joins the chat.
828
00:39:40,838 --> 00:39:44,592
♪ ♪
829
00:39:44,592 --> 00:39:46,636
MARIANA: Rumors are
that LockBit is a young
830
00:39:46,636 --> 00:39:49,680
20-something from Russia.
831
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,349
But this isn't him.
832
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:53,935
He would only communicate
via encrypted text.
833
00:39:53,935 --> 00:39:56,896
He asked that we use a masked
avatar to relay the answers
834
00:39:56,896 --> 00:39:58,439
to my questions.
835
00:39:59,148 --> 00:40:01,525
Would you ever
meet us in person?
836
00:40:01,525 --> 00:40:03,819
LOCKBIT: The FBI wants to
eliminate me, I'm ready to
837
00:40:03,819 --> 00:40:06,739
meet you in person
when I lose my mind.
838
00:40:07,490 --> 00:40:10,910
It takes just one
person to destroy the
biggest hacker group,
839
00:40:10,910 --> 00:40:12,912
there are too
many people tied to me.
840
00:40:12,912 --> 00:40:15,498
Without me, my
business would die instantly.
841
00:40:15,498 --> 00:40:17,875
MARIANA: How do you feel
about the FBI targeting you?
842
00:40:17,875 --> 00:40:20,461
LOCKBIT: I really love the
FBI, it is because of them
843
00:40:20,461 --> 00:40:23,297
that I am constantly learning
about anonymity and
844
00:40:23,297 --> 00:40:25,257
improving anonymity schemes.
845
00:40:25,925 --> 00:40:27,927
To change locations
and internet sources,
846
00:40:27,927 --> 00:40:29,261
the countries I live in.
847
00:40:29,261 --> 00:40:32,223
Someday I will be found.
848
00:40:33,516 --> 00:40:36,560
MARIANA: How did you get
into the ransomware world?
849
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:37,937
And why?
850
00:40:37,937 --> 00:40:40,147
LOCKBIT: Big money.
851
00:40:40,147 --> 00:40:43,734
I am just a young hacker
who decided to make a
lot of money easily.
852
00:40:44,026 --> 00:40:46,028
MARIANA: What does a
typical day look like for you?
853
00:40:46,737 --> 00:40:49,782
LOCKBIT: Riding on a yacht,
Lamborghini, dozens of luxury
854
00:40:49,782 --> 00:40:53,828
models, drugs, everything
like regular millionaires.
855
00:40:55,121 --> 00:40:57,039
MARIANA: You guys have gained
the reputation as one of the
856
00:40:57,039 --> 00:41:00,001
most sophisticated groups
in the ransomware world.
857
00:41:00,001 --> 00:41:02,128
Um, how did you get there?
858
00:41:02,128 --> 00:41:04,213
LOCKBIT: The software has the
best technical specifications
859
00:41:04,213 --> 00:41:07,258
on the planet, we have maximum
encryption speed, ability to
860
00:41:07,258 --> 00:41:10,803
automatically self-distribute,
a list of processes to kill,
861
00:41:10,803 --> 00:41:14,140
trace clearing, safe mode,
filename encryption,
862
00:41:14,140 --> 00:41:16,434
as well as a set of
encryption software.
863
00:41:16,809 --> 00:41:18,769
MARIANA: Do you ever
feel bad for your victims?
864
00:41:18,769 --> 00:41:20,521
LOCKBIT: Why feel
sorry for the victims?
865
00:41:20,521 --> 00:41:22,815
We are not doing
them any harm.
866
00:41:22,815 --> 00:41:25,818
We just provide paid training
to system administrators.
867
00:41:25,818 --> 00:41:28,070
Is it our fault that the
companies don't want to spend
868
00:41:28,070 --> 00:41:31,073
money to protect
their networks?
869
00:41:31,073 --> 00:41:33,534
You can always negotiate with
us simply by paying a modest
870
00:41:33,534 --> 00:41:36,829
amount of money, which is
printed in unlimited quantities.
871
00:41:38,205 --> 00:41:41,876
MARIANA: LockBit claims
he has his own moral
standards about targets.
872
00:41:41,876 --> 00:41:45,629
But he also runs a business
and his malware is a product
873
00:41:45,629 --> 00:41:49,008
that his affiliates have used
to attack government systems,
874
00:41:49,008 --> 00:41:53,345
educational institutions, and
even hospitals around the world.
875
00:41:54,430 --> 00:41:57,391
So you might say that you don't
put people's lives at risk, but.
876
00:41:57,391 --> 00:42:00,561
Aren't you ultimately
responsible for what happens
877
00:42:00,561 --> 00:42:02,855
with the malware
that you create?
878
00:42:02,855 --> 00:42:05,065
LOCKBIT: I'm just a
weapons manufacturer.
879
00:42:05,065 --> 00:42:07,651
America has the best
gun makers in the world.
880
00:42:07,651 --> 00:42:10,362
All these weapons are sold all
over the world, these weapons
881
00:42:10,362 --> 00:42:13,908
regularly kill people,
but do the gun makers care?
882
00:42:14,325 --> 00:42:17,828
The gun makers only care
about the profits from
selling the weapons.
883
00:42:19,246 --> 00:42:21,582
MARIANA: Despite my attempts
to get more details about his
884
00:42:21,582 --> 00:42:23,959
next targets, he won't bite.
885
00:42:23,959 --> 00:42:26,420
But he does send me
one more message.
886
00:42:26,420 --> 00:42:30,966
It's a link to a project he's
calling "LockBit Black."
887
00:42:30,966 --> 00:42:34,011
I'm too scared to open it so
I send it to Jon, one of the
888
00:42:34,011 --> 00:42:36,472
security consultants
I'd been talking to.
889
00:42:36,472 --> 00:42:38,641
So Jon, can you tell me
what's, what's this link that
890
00:42:38,641 --> 00:42:39,934
LockBit sent me?
891
00:42:39,934 --> 00:42:42,061
JON: It's what they're
calling LockBit Black and it's
892
00:42:42,061 --> 00:42:44,897
their newest interface that
they've built for their new,
893
00:42:44,897 --> 00:42:46,065
uh, ransomware.
894
00:42:46,065 --> 00:42:47,691
It's actually really scary.
895
00:42:47,691 --> 00:42:50,027
They've taken a lot of the
technical capability that used
896
00:42:50,027 --> 00:42:53,280
to be required to conduct a
ransomware attack out of it.
897
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,659
MARIANA: Back in Romania,
I'd sat shotgun as John Smith
898
00:42:56,659 --> 00:42:59,787
hacked his way into a
major utility company.
899
00:43:00,621 --> 00:43:04,708
With LockBit's new malware,
he's removed that step.
900
00:43:04,708 --> 00:43:07,920
Now all someone has to do is
type the name of a company
901
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,465
website and the malware
goes in search of access.
902
00:43:11,882 --> 00:43:14,260
JON: It's now like a game.
I could take five minutes.
903
00:43:14,260 --> 00:43:16,470
I could teach you to use
it and conduct attacks.
904
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:18,681
It's really going to change
the game of ransomware,
905
00:43:18,681 --> 00:43:20,474
and it's really scary.
906
00:43:20,474 --> 00:43:22,226
MARIANA: Do you think that
this has a potential of sort of,
907
00:43:22,226 --> 00:43:27,731
uh, launching a
whole new generation of
ransomware attackers?
908
00:43:27,731 --> 00:43:29,233
JON: Absolutely.
909
00:43:29,233 --> 00:43:31,902
I didn't expect the, the ease
of use that, that this has to
910
00:43:31,902 --> 00:43:33,779
have been built into it.
911
00:43:33,779 --> 00:43:36,490
Uh, I expected it to be more
efficient but I didn't expect
912
00:43:36,490 --> 00:43:39,201
it to be so much easier.
913
00:43:39,201 --> 00:43:40,578
Uh, for someone to do.
914
00:43:40,578 --> 00:43:43,122
What's going to happen is
it's going to allow many more
915
00:43:43,122 --> 00:43:45,708
people to take part
in these attacks.
916
00:43:45,708 --> 00:43:50,212
Higher volumes of attacks
means a lot more victims,
917
00:43:50,212 --> 00:43:54,133
uh, that also means the bad
guy gets a lot more money.
918
00:43:54,133 --> 00:43:57,303
MARIANA: Make no mistake about
it, the arc of the criminal
919
00:43:57,303 --> 00:44:00,139
universe bends
towards easy money.
920
00:44:00,139 --> 00:44:04,894
And we should all be very,
very afraid if ransomware has
921
00:44:04,894 --> 00:44:07,688
gotten easy enough for
someone like me to use.
922
00:44:07,688 --> 00:44:08,981
Captioned by
Cotter Media Group.
75489
Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.