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'Hello and best
wishes, everyone,
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'and happy birthday, Mary and
Jean, begins this batch of dedications.
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'This is a record for
you all from the people
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'who sent the message, Down By
The Lazy River, with the Osmonds.'
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# What are you doing tonight?
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# You got no place to go... #
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1976.
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Britain seems half asleep.
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This programme
contains strong language.
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'It was awful. The main
colours were orange,
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'brown'
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and mustard.
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'People weren't as sussed
as what they are today.
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'People weren't
as well travelled
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'and we were still
stuck in this little hole
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'as British people, I thought.'
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You think of the '70s
as being modern times,
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but they were very backward and
people's attitudes were very backward.
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'There was one or
two TV channels.
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'Everything seemed to end
at 11pm. There were no jobs,
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'there was no future...'
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There was a sense in
those early years of boredom.
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'You don't remember your youth
as being populated by these guys
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'who looked like the worst
kind of bureaucrat from 1952.'
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Those were the people
who still ran the country.
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Welcome to boring Britain.
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A young generation
has been locked out.
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But in a small pocket of
the London music scene,
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something is stirring.
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The UK is about to
be rudely awoken.
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'For mash get smash.'
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Dirty bastard. Again.
You dirty fucker.
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What a BLEEP.
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'Who do you think
you're kidding, Mr Hitler,'
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If you think old England's done?
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In the scorching summer of 1976,
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the Sex Pistols, the
Clash and the Damned
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were beginning to ignite.
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# I don't want a
holiday in the sun
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# I want to go to the new Belsen
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# I want to see some of history
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# Cos now I got a
reasonable economy
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# Now I got a reason
Now I got a reason
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# Now I got a reason
And I'm still waiting... #
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As word gradually
spread through the country,
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London was becoming a place
of pilgrimage for the curious few.
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'There was this feeling that something was going
on in London. There'd been a couple of reviews
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'of the Sex Pistols in the
music papers and we thought,
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'"Hello! This sounds good."
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'Then you saw this photo of Rotten
just looking incredible, mean and nasty.'
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Finally, someone who's
looking different and challenging.
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'Looking like we
felt! I think trying
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'to get a punk band together in Torquay
at that time was never going to happen.'
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I was always
escaping the suburbs
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and gravitating towards
the centre of London.
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If you're brought
up in the suburbs,
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with all that ultra-conservatism
that goes on there,
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there's a lot to
kick back against.
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'I thought London was
central to everything.'
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There wasn't a music
scene in Woking.
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Meeting people my own age represented
a place where you could be yourself.
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At that time we were
playing social clubs
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to disinterested punters really,
who just wanted the bingo.
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Maybe they'd have a dance towards the end
of the night, when they're pissed enough.
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# I got no reason
It's all too much
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# You'll always find me
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# Out to lunch... #
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'I read this review in the NME of the Pistols
and thought we've got to see this band.
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'We travelled up and went to this all-nighter,
where we took speed for the first time.'
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The effect of the pills and seeing this band
was like, "Wow! This is it, this is our time."
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# We're so pretty
Oh so pretty... #
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'It was such a
closed, small scene,
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'maybe there was 500
people in the whole of England,
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'maybe, who knew about it?'
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It was very small, you knew
the faces you saw every week.
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'What Johnny Rotten and Joe
Strummer, etc, were expressing,'
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was so absolutely instantly
recognised right across the land.
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'There was this
punk rock explosion.'
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# Pretty
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# Pretty vacant. #
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News of the small scene
that had been incubating
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in the heart of the capital
was slowly spreading.
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# We don't care. #
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We were aware of
a core of punk bands
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that were starting to, sort of,
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move out, get out
into the provinces,
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and we would go and
see them, you know.
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ROUSING GUITAR
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But with virtually no support,
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punk wasn't reaching its audience
through established channels.
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It was all about word of mouth.
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# Mystery man
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# Be a doll, be a baby doll... #
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It was just like,
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you went there once,
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there was the first few
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curiosity seekers and so on,
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and the next time you come,
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it would be really
considerably different.
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It just grew, I think, because
the UK is such a small place,
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it was able to spread.
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# Can't afford a cannon
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# Neat neat neat She
can't afford a gun at all
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# Neat neat neat She
can't afford a cannon
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# Neat neat neat She
can't afford a gun at all. #
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I remember Redcar, playing at
the Coatham Bowl. It was great.
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But the Flaming Groovies
are the headliners.
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That's who you want, isn't it?
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Converting a few Flaming
Groovies fans was one thing.
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But punk at the tail
end of '76 only really
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existed in the minds
of the converted few.
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But all that
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was about to change.
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They are punk rockers.
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The new craze, they tell me.
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Well, there's a conservative.
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They are as drunk as I am.
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He was the institution,
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and we were not.
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They are a group
called the Sex Pistols..
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Bill Grundy was the host of a
pre-watershed news programme
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called The Today Show,
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on which the Sex Pistols
were a last-minute booking.
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They are heroes,
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not the nice clean
Rolling Stones.
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Queen were going to go and
pulled out at the last minute, so there
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we were, short notice,
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and Bill Grundy didn't
want to interview us.
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I didn't know that Steve had
found a bottle of Blue Nun
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and gone to another
room and drunk the lot.
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Suddenly millions of viewers,
sitting down to their early evening
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TV dinners, were confronted by
something a little bit unexpected.
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BILL GRUNDY: What
about you girls behind?
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'We didn't have a clue
what was going to happen.'
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Bill Grundy was just so
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contemptuous of them.
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It's what?
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Nothing. A rude
word. Next question.
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No, no. What was the rude word?
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Shit.
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'There he is. He's the
one goading us into it.'
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He definitely had an eye on
the young ladies in the bin liners.
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Always wanted to meet
you. Did you really? Yeah.
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We'll meet afterwards, shall we?
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You dirty sod.
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I was being,
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"Ooh, I've always wanted
to meet you", - not really(!)
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So, he had a real attitude.
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He picked the wrong guys, and
then halfway through the interview,
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Steve's bottle of
Blue Nun kicked in.
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You know, it was a
recipe for disaster.
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Go on, you've got
another five seconds,
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say something outrageous.
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You dirty bastard. Again.
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You dirty fucker.
What a clever boy!
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What a fucking rotter.
That's it for tonight.
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Swearing on
prime-time television
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just didn't happen in 1976.
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I mean, the reaction the
next day in the newspapers,
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was just like, "What?"
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"The Filth And The
Fury", and it was like,
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exclamation mark. Front pages.
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Far from revelling
in the scandal,
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Sex Pistols manager Malcolm
McLaren was initially very worried.
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Malcolm was ghostly white,
like, "You've ruined everything
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"I've been working for.
You've just destroyed a year's
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"worth of work by
swearing on television."
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The next morning, he
saw all the front pages
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and realised it was a good idea.
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Next day, punk rock was
a national phenomenon.
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# I am an Antichrist
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# I am an anarchist... #
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Fresh from their Grundy
Show appearance,
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the Sex Pistols embarked
on the Anarchy In The UK tour
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with The Dammed and The Clash.
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But they quickly discovered
that being the centre of national
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attention wasn't
necessarily a good thing.
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# Anarchy-y-y. #
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I remember it felt great
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on the Sex Pistols' first
tour that was no tour.
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We had a crate of
beer and I was drunk.
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But the next day, that's like,
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"No, that's just not right.
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"Why are we banned?"
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Relationship with God and a
right way with God in this world.
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This protest is to make Wales
know, to let the people of this town
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know, that we do protest.
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On the rare occasion
a town council
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allowed the Pistols to play,
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they were met with a
mixture of local protesters,
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and the odd curiosity seeker,
who managed to break through
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the picket line.
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# I want to be-e-e
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# Anarchy-y-y. #
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It's lowering the standard
of our people in Caerphilly.
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It's degrading and
disgusting for our children
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to hear and see such things.
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PROTESTORS SING
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How do you feel about
the crowd opposite?
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There are entitled
to do what they want.
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It was strange
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to be part of something
where venues were being
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withdrawn where you can't
play, you're being censored.
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You felt persecuted.
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Lines were drawn, and you
chose what side you were on.
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How do you react to the
reputation that your group is the most
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revolting in the country?
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Look, our group is creating
a generation gap for the first
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time in five years
in this country
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and a lot of people are feeling
genuinely threatened by it.
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We ain't even being
allowed to play.
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'There was so much going on,'...
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..so much vicious
hatred towards us,
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because we were doing
something completely new,
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'we looked like nothing
most people had ever seen.'
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I try so hard to be nice.
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It taught me that the British
are, by nature, very conservative.
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# Anarchist
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# I get pissed
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# Destroy-oy. #
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Almost overnight, punk had
become public enemy number one.
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Punk rock has become almost
a battle cry in British society.
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For many people, it's a
bigger threat to our way of life
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than Russian Communism
or hyperinflation.
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What I'm concerned about is
the manner in which certain groups
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behave onstage.
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Now they're bringing out
these freak punk rock groups.
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We're not going to have
this punk rock brigade.
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It's all wrong! HE BURPS
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ROUSING GUITAR
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But for much of Britain's youth,
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punk meant
something else entirely.
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# I want it with you
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# Wishing your love
will see me through. #
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I want it to do
something for me.
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Look at me now, I'm nothing.
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That's what punk is.
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Punk was our time.
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This was our music
and our generation.
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There was a real sense of
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these people are going
to destroy civilisation.
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If you get a bit up for it,
that's bloody hard luck.
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We're never going to back down.
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It didn't matter about class,
but a lot of it was largely
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working class,
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but it mattered about
what your ideas were like.
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# This is the future. #
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There's people branding us.
They're saying I'm vile and obscene.
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Do I look vile and obscene?
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People looked on in horror,
because they just didn't understand
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what we were, but what we really were
was a by-product of what was happening
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and we threw it back at them,
and actually, it was quite a laugh.
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I think punk was a time
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when all the freaks,
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misfits and outlaws,
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had their moment,
their moment in the sun.
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As '76 gave way to '77,
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punk's clarion call
had been sounded.
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A new generation was
sick of waiting for its turn.
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There was still this whole idea
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you could only advance
if you put in the years,
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and that was across the board -
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industry, art, commerce.
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# Paint by numbers. #
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A new do-it-yourself spirit
was beginning to take root.
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# So break up, make up. #
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Punk was about being an
active participant, rather than just
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a passive consumer.
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It made you think,
"Well, I can do that,"
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so the next question is,
why the hell don't you do it?
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# Make-up. #
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Are you a singer? Yeah.
Have you sung before?
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Not on stage, no.
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Suddenly the spotlight belonged
to anybody who wanted it.
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With very little resources,
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we were very resourceful.
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What did you sing? The
Lord's Prayer, via Twist & Shout,
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Knockin' On Heaven's Door,
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and a bit of Deutschland,
Deutschland Uber Alles.
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There is a way, so long as
you're persistent and aggressive
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and beat the hell out of them.
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MUSIC: "Make Up To Break
Up" by Siouxsie & the Banshees
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The whole idea you needed
someone's permission to do these things
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was destroyed. People were
starting record labels and magazines.
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# Foundation
starts to tremble... #
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We thought we had
something to offer.
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There was a climate for
things to be radically shaken up.
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# Cracking up - up, up
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# Face is cracking up. #
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We said, "We don't have to
ask anyone else's permission".
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We can just go ahead and do it.
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MUSIC: "When I Need
You" by Leo Sayer
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Everything old and established
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was now open to attack,
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and if the record
industry didn't get it...
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MUSIC: "Breakdown"
by The Buzzcocks
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In January 1977, a young band
from Manchester called The Buzzcocks
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decided to release an EP...
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themselves.
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We worked out that for ยฃ500,
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we could press 1,000 singles,
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and a picture sleeve.
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We decided to do an EP
cos people brought out EPs.
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The Beatles had
loads of EPs and things.
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It was good cos it
had four songs on.
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If you just have a single,
you've just got two sides.
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We went in and
we did four songs.
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# I'm going to breakdown
Got to break it down, yes. #
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I suppose we
released our own record
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because it was the
easiest way of doing it.
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And went into the
college and put it on,
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and watched people's
expressions - "What the hell is this?"
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I still do think it's one of the most
tremendous records ever made.
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Before that, it had been ageing
hippies giving you the impression
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that you shouldn't go
out and play a guitar,
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unless you'd been
at it for 30 years.
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As far as punk was concerned,
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rock'n'roll had
spent two decades
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growing ever more pompous.
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Punk's mission was to
simply start all over again.
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We started referring to the
bigger bands as the "dinosaurs",
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rejecting the past.
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MUSIC: "You're In My
Heart" by Rod Stewart
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Rod Stewart and people like
that were getting to look sillier
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as the years went on.
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They just looked like Louis XIV.
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And someone had
to cut their head off.
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HE LAUGHS
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# You're in my heart
You're in my soul
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# You'll be my breath
Should I grow old. #
331
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It's got nothing to do
with them any more.
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Rod Stewart starts going
on with his string orchestra.
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It's not what you feel like,
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so you've got to have some
music what you feel like.
335
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Otherwise you go
barmy, don't you?
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MUSIC: "1977" by The Clash
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The Clash's song 1977
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captured this desire
to wipe the slate clean.
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# Sten guns in Knightsbridge
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# Danger stranger
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# You better paint your face
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# No Elvis, Beatles
or the Rolling Stones
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# 1977. #
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But the Year Zero
mantra hid a contradiction.
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Punk defined itself
as the future of music,
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but equally championed a
return to rock'n'roll's past.
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Three chords. Three-minute songs
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played loud and fast.
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# No Elvis, Beatles
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# Or the Rolling Stones. #
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It was more about
an ideal, 1977,
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rather than to
be taken literally.
353
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I loved the Beatles,
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but I loved also the Rolling
Stones and the Kinks.
355
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The line of rock'n'roll that
goes right back to Elvis.
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When Elvis first came out,
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that was like nothing
they'd seen before.
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When the Pistols came out, it
was like nothing you'd seen before,
359
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in the same way.
360
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,280
A lot of us... I still had
Deep Purple albums.
361
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People do forget,
when they look back,
362
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we weren't from outer space!
363
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Everybody liked
these people, really.
364
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I never met anybody
that didn't like the Stones.
365
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If you don't like the Stones,
what are you doing in rock?
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What are you doing
in a rock'n'roll band?
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We weren't consciously
lying about the rejections part,
368
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,760
but it was important to
define what punk was about.
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To actually start
differentiating,
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in a way that gave
punk its identity
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to the wider public.
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To be a punk in 1977
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was to set yourself
in opposition
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to society in any way possible.
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MUSIC: "Identity" by X-Ray Spex
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# Identity is the
crisis - can't you see?
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# Identity
378
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,800
# When you look in the
mirror Can you see? #
379
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One of the things I had
made for me at the time
380
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was this rapist mask.
381
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,240
I used to wear this out in
clubs. It was a great look.
382
00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:28,800
I got a pair of
leather trousers,
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and I wore them for six
months without taking them off.
384
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I'd end up dyeing
things in bathtubs.
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I'd dye one side
of a shirt pink -
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it was supposed to be
red but came out pink,
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00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,720
and the other side
yellow, and wear it.
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00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,720
It was wearing stuff that used to
arrive in brown paper envelopes
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on the street.
390
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,960
Not just wearing it in the privacy
of your bedroom or dungeon.
391
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The effect was fabulous,
and the girls looked great in it.
392
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The dog collar - what
an amazing accessory.
393
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"OK, you give us nothing.
394
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"We've got no jobs, nowhere to
go, we can't afford to buy clothes.
395
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,600
"We'll wear these
fucked-up old tights.
396
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,480
"And, what's more, we'll
look great while we do it."
397
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,360
It was like, "Fuck you.
We can wear what we like.
398
00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:16,760
"I know this might upset
you. Who gives a damn?"
399
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,520
But notoriety came at a price.
400
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,680
Now that punk was a
matter of national controversy,
401
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,120
many of the pubs that had
nurtured the pub rock scene
402
00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:28,840
only a year earlier,
403
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,360
had shut their doors.
404
00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:33,840
In those days you couldn't
go in the pubs, man.
405
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,080
You couldn't go in clubs.
406
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,800
They were reluctant
to put punk bands on,
407
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,840
because they didn't
want that type in there.
408
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,600
Punk needed a home.
409
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,480
A place where it could
truly express itself.
410
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,200
It was in the middle
of Covent Garden.
411
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,360
It was like the
surface of the moon.
412
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The only people that you saw
413
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were punks and opera-goers.
414
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,440
To me, it's central - the
Roxy was the heart of it.
415
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The Roxy, in all ways,
416
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was the most important
pilgrimage you could make.
417
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,720
The whole essence
to the place was punk.
418
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:28,480
# We're talking into corners
Finding ways to fill the vacuum
419
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,080
# And though our mouths are dry
420
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,600
# We talk in hope to
hear something new. #
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The place held, officially, 160.
We had maybe 360 in there.
422
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,080
So it was mayhem, but fun.
423
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,080
We were getting
phone calls from bands.
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"Are you a punk band?" "Yeah."
425
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,920
Where are you from?" "Sheffield."
"You're playing next Thursday."
426
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,200
Simple as that.
427
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,720
# Bored teenagers Seeing
ourselves as strangers... #
428
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,840
When you'd see those
kids jumping up and down,
429
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,800
it wasn't about getting
hurt or having fights.
430
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,160
No-one had done that before. There
had never been that seething mass
431
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,720
of frustration and anger.
432
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,400
The Roxy was where many
of punk's new set of manners
433
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,960
were given space to evolve.
434
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,640
Why nod, when you could pogo?
435
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,960
Why cheer, when you
could hurl an arc of phlegm?
436
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,120
There's no option
but to accept the fact
437
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:22,720
people will gob on you.
438
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,280
It almost became
the defining sign
439
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,200
that this isn't the way
things were before.
440
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,760
It all began with The
Damned's Rat Scabies.
441
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,360
I was watching the Pistols.
442
00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:39,880
Jonesy was gobbing all over the
stage and he fucking gobbed at me.
443
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,200
And I gobbed back.
444
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,560
The audience just saw
it as a great leveller.
445
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,120
What would have been
unthinkable a year earlier
446
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was now the norm.
447
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,160
Gobbing was the new applause.
448
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,240
I remember one
night I was singing,
449
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,000
and there was this
double-headed spit coming at me.
450
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,120
I was trying to get out
of the way. This way -
451
00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:02,440
and I could still see it.
452
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,760
I was trying to go that way. I
didn't know which way to go,
453
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,200
and "Boosh!"
454
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,400
It was the most revolting thing.
455
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,160
If they didn't spit at you, it
means they didn't like you.
456
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:18,520
# Bored out of our heads
Bored out of our minds. #
457
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,480
Every new movement needs
somewhere you can all gather.
458
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,320
The Roxy was that place.
459
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,280
The place where it all
fomented, and started happening.
460
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,640
But despite having
found a common cause,
461
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,520
and a place to call home,
462
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,480
the punk scene in '77
463
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,280
was far from being
a happy family.
464
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,800
Within the movement, there
was lots of different tribes,
465
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,200
but that made for
healthy competition.
466
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,480
That's what was
special about the scene.
467
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,080
You had these different camps
trying to one-up each other.
468
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,080
MUSIC: "Ambition"
by the Subway Sect
469
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,080
"My band's better than your band.
You're shit. We're the business."
470
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,800
It wasn't like some big commune
of people working together
471
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,680
for the greater good.
472
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,880
God forbid.
473
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,400
Punks didn't like each other.
No camaraderie whatsoever.
474
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,280
At all. None.
475
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,160
It was all competitive.
476
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,280
All these bands of
people I'd known - mates,
477
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,080
were all incredibly
oppositional.
478
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,720
It was really jealousy
that was driving it.
479
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,880
They wanted to
outdo the Pistols.
480
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,800
So, constantly fighting that.
481
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,680
Punk wasn't a unified movement.
482
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,200
It was a bunch of
really jealous people
483
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,360
trying to outdo each other.
484
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,520
But although the scene
appeared fearless and free,
485
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,560
a young band from Woking would
show that punk was already becoming
486
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,960
something of an exclusive club.
487
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,160
The Jam were a band playing
the same gigs as punk bands,
488
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,960
and had the same
energy in their music.
489
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,000
Turning up in suits and all
that was seen as a bit silly.
490
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,840
I don't know why, but we'd
always dressed the same onstage.
491
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,080
I'd made everyone go
to Burton's and get suits.
492
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,360
I'm only laughing cos
some of them were atrocious!
493
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:14,280
HE LAUGHS
494
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,840
Like split-level loons
and satin jackets,
495
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,560
but that's another story, folks.
496
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,320
Yeah, it was to stand out. To
be different from everyone else.
497
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,320
When everyone else was covered
in safety pins and all that shite.
498
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,760
MUSIC: "In The City" by The Jam
499
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,640
# In the city there's a thousand
things I want to say to you
500
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,280
# But whenever I approach
you You make me look a fool
501
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,040
# I want to say
502
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,960
# I want to tell you
503
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,320
# About the young ideas
504
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,200
# You better listen now
You've said your bit. #
505
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,840
We used to take the piss
out of them for tuning up,
506
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,240
which Paul Weller hated.
507
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,360
I used to get a
lot of flak for that.
508
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:02,640
They thought it was
kind of too "muso".
509
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,360
# We want to say
510
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,600
# We're going to tell you
511
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,480
# About the young ideas
512
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,880
# You better listen now
You've said your bit. #
513
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:20,560
The Clash and the Pistols seemed
to me like an upper-middle-class
514
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,480
kind of Kensington
Market kind of thing.
515
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,120
With the Jam, you knew exactly
where they were coming from.
516
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,240
I think we appealed to
people who were like us.
517
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,960
I think we appealed to a lot
of people from the suburbs.
518
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,640
We weren't really part
of a hip London niche.
519
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,560
That was the same all
over the country, really.
520
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,880
I think the songs I was writing,
521
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,240
people understood, cos they
saw themselves in those songs.
522
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,960
Despite appearing as
outsiders to the punk scene,
523
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,680
The Jam were most
definitely inspired by it.
524
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,040
The Pistols played
short, spiky songs.
525
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,400
I think from that experience,
526
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,800
I went back and started
writing in that style a little bit.
527
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,080
It was only really listening to
The Clash, and reading their lyrics,
528
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,720
that I started to think about
what's going on around me.
529
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,760
Prior to that, I'd just written
about, you know, girls.
530
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,040
In May 1977, The Jam
appeared on Top of the Pops.
531
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,280
# In the city there's a thousand
things I want to say to you. #
532
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,240
APPLAUSE
533
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,040
At the forefront of a new rock
phenomenon known as "New Wave",
534
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,520
there go The Jam
and In The City.
535
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,000
But as the record
industry slowly woke up
536
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,160
to punk's commercial potential,
537
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,120
a tension at its heart
538
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,400
began to emerge,
539
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,280
between staying independent
and gaining mass exposure.
540
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,920
Any record deal we
signed in those days,
541
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,080
I'd seen them
straightaway as the enemy.
542
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,240
They'd sign us. They'd
give you the right smiles.
543
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,680
They'd go, "Oh yeah,
we love what you're doing.
544
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:01,600
"Sign on the contract", and two
days later, it's a list of demands.
545
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,360
The Pistols' attitude
546
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,000
had ensured they had already
been dropped by two labels
547
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,280
by mid-1977. Punk
and the record industry
548
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,800
were not the
easiest of bedfellows.
549
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,240
MUSIC: "EMI" by the Sex Pistols
550
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,440
"Wouldn't it be nice if you wrote a
song about this, that or the other?"
551
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,200
"Would it be?
552
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,720
"Yeah, it might be nice.
553
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,280
"But this is what I'm doing.
554
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,520
"This is what I was paid to do."
555
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,360
# A&M. #
556
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,160
MUSIC: "Complete
Control" by The Clash
557
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,040
When The Clash signed to CBS,
558
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,400
punk found itself
at a crossroads.
559
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,080
Could they have their
cake and eat it too?
560
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,160
I can remember a serious
debate within The Clash
561
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,400
about whether they
should sign to CBS.
562
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,400
If it was important to
get the message out
563
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,760
to as wide an
audience as possible,
564
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,120
or if you should do it
on an independent label,
565
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,840
and risk that 14-year-old
in Newcastle or Glasgow
566
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,040
never getting the message.
567
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,520
I said punk died the day
The Clash signed to CBS.
568
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:09,160
I felt they would have made
such a massive statement
569
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,480
if they had made
their own records,
570
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,640
through their own
independent record label.
571
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,760
Yeah, it's all a business.
572
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,640
Does it shock you that
you wanted to destroy it
573
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,400
and it still is a business?
Well, we signed up with them.
574
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,480
We weren't going to
go into a hippy thing,
575
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,120
and stay in one corner of the
world and no-one hears about you.
576
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,520
If you want to come
out of that corner,
577
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,040
you have to deal with the
real world, and that's business.
578
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,560
MUSIC: "White Riot" by The Clash
579
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,960
In May '77, The Clash embarked
580
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,520
upon the White Riot tour,
581
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,240
with the Buzzcocks,
Subway Sect, and the Slits.
582
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,280
The tour would
quickly cement them
583
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,960
as the new voice of Britain's
dole-bound generation.
584
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,120
# White riot - I want a riot
585
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,320
# White riot - a riot of my own
586
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,120
# White riot - I want a riot
587
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,200
# White riot - a riot of my own
588
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,040
# Black man got
a lot of problems
589
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,040
# But they don't mind
throwing a brick... #
590
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,840
Mainly it's
remembered for the fact
591
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,840
it was the first time that
punk had played in a big place.
592
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,800
It was like a
bunch of crazy kids,
593
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,200
all on holiday together
- like on a Butlin's.
594
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,360
It was like, "We're all going on
a summer holiday" type thing.
595
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,240
Me and Mick Jones
were going out together,
596
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,560
and breaking up on-and-off
597
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,640
throughout the tour, so
it was all very dramatic!
598
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,440
The first night of
the White Riot tour,
599
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,400
at the Rainbow in Finsbury Park,
600
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,840
was just chaos.
601
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,320
The most scary-looking
mean guys walking round,
602
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,000
in nothing else other than DMs,
603
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,840
Y-fronts
604
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,680
and an old overcoat.
605
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,480
At the bus stop. They didn't
even wait till they got in the gig!
606
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,560
2,000 uninitiated people
turned up that night.
607
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,600
It was the most incendiary
and scary gig I've ever been to.
608
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,360
There was a few chairs smashed.
609
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,920
Like with the Teddy Boys,
610
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,400
when they ripped up
the seats at Bill Haley.
611
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,880
So that was like the same thing.
612
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,400
It was fairly harmless.
613
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,000
Disengage the seat in front
and throw it into the orchestra pit.
614
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,440
And we had to pay for it.
615
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,400
HE LAUGHS
616
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:26,080
# White riot - I want a riot
White riot - a riot of my own! #
617
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,320
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING
618
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,800
DUB REGGAE PLAYS
619
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,400
While The Clash were inciting
white riots all over the UK,
620
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,080
punk and reggae
621
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,680
were beginning to
find common cause.
622
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,680
It was interesting to
see how my culture
623
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,960
was turning on my
white contemporaries.
624
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,560
They dug the bass lines.
625
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,320
They dug the musical
reportage aspect of the lyrics.
626
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,200
They dug the
anti-establishment vibe.
627
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,600
Didn't mind the weed, either.
628
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,480
At punk gigs, the only thing
that made it bearable for me
629
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,840
was that DJs would
play quite a lot of reggae
630
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,160
and roots reggae and dub,
which was the golden period.
631
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,200
Phenomenal music that
is just earth-shattering.
632
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,280
One of the key tracks played
on The Clash's White Riot tour
633
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,440
was White Man In
Hammersmith Palais.
634
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,480
By assimilating reggae
into their songwriting,
635
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,840
The Clash were
beginning to reach out
636
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,160
and expand punk's
musical borders.
637
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,440
# Midnight to six man
638
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,920
# For the first time
from Jamaica... #
639
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,280
We couldn't do it just straight.
640
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,080
It was cos we
didn't understand it.
641
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,760
It was like we sort of
understand it differently.
642
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,480
We had to put ourselves into it.
643
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,960
# Ken Boothe, UK pop reggae
644
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,280
# With backing band
sound system... #
645
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,480
I actually took Strummer
to Hammersmith Palais
646
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,120
the night he was inspired to
write White Man In Hammersmith.
647
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,280
Reggae lyrics was like
the currency of street speak.
648
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,800
It was like slogans.
Under Heavy Manners.
649
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,520
"Cramp and paralyze them
and those that worship Babylon."
650
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,880
Punks really dug
that kind of lyricism.
651
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,000
There was a great similarity,
652
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,880
in terms of they were
both rebel musics.
653
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,000
# They ain't got no
roots rock rhythm. #
654
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,280
MUSIC: "God Save The
Queen" (National Anthem)
655
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,160
As Britain prepared itself for the
Queen's Silver Jubilee celebrations
656
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,280
that summer,
657
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,040
the Sex Pistols prepared to
release their second single.
658
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,560
Of course I wrote God Save
The Queen. I wrote the rewrite!
659
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:12,520
# God save our gracious Queen
660
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:19,760
# Long live our noble Queen. #
661
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,080
The original lyrics
were unacceptable.
662
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,280
# God save the Queen
663
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,160
# The fascist regime
664
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,320
# They made you a moron
665
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,520
# Potential H-bomb
666
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,600
# God save the Queen
667
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,600
# She ain't no human being
668
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,400
# There is no future
669
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,880
# In England's dreaming. #
670
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,200
It came about quite easy.
671
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,120
It was just an ongoing
thought process.
672
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,840
Finally, I decided
to put pen to paper.
673
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,600
Ran to the rehearsal
studio, really proud of it.
674
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,040
Knew the band wouldn't
catch on what I was saying.
675
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,400
And somehow managed
to squeak it onto vinyl.
676
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,600
# We love our Queen
677
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,920
# God saves. #
678
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,920
It was the poetry of the street.
679
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,680
The poetry of new England.
680
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,760
The poetry against
the Silver Jubilee.
681
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,160
It was a great challenge to
that ghastly kind of arse licking
682
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,800
of the monarchy
that was going on.
683
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,840
# We love our Queen
684
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,720
# God saves. #
685
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,480
To promote the single,
686
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,920
manager Malcolm McLaren
arranged for the Pistols
687
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,360
to perform a gig on the Thames,
688
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,160
to coincide with the
Queen's own river procession.
689
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,880
Punk had its perfect stage.
690
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,360
But the band were getting sick
of McLaren's art school pranks.
691
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,960
# We mean it, man. #
692
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,520
By that time, the band
were on full collision course
693
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,640
with Malcolm -
particularly John.
694
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,640
John had a lot of
power over Malcolm,
695
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,240
but Malcolm controlled
the purse strings.
696
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:08,840
There were a lot of conflicts.
697
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,080
Ever get the feeling
you've been trapped?
698
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,400
I was woken up that morning,
told there was a boat trip.
699
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,120
I didn't really want to
go, but went anyway.
700
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,320
Sid felt the same.
701
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,040
'Steve and Paul felt the same.'
702
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,480
I've had enough
of your bullshit.
703
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,160
They weren't
talking to each other.
704
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,200
They weren't happy. They didn't
just have contempt for the audience -
705
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,080
they had total
contempt for themselves.
706
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,680
It was a very
unhappy little trip.
707
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,600
MUSIC: "Problems"
by the Sex Pistols
708
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,520
# Problems. #
709
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,040
The public outrage that
the Pistols' appearance
710
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,440
with Bill Grundy had unleashed
711
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,040
was insatiable.
712
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,160
So there we were.
Before we knew it,
713
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,200
the police boats were all around
us saying, "Stop, desist, come in."
714
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,160
The police go, "Which
one's Johnny Rotten?"
715
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,960
"Oh, I cannot
tell a lie, 'occifer',
716
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,760
"it's him down there, innit?"
717
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,240
HE LAUGHS
718
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:14,600
The ultimate reward.
719
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,520
They don't even know the
demon that they're chasing.
720
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,800
Malcolm McLaren was
coming down the gangplank,
721
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,960
and shouting out
722
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,280
the kind of stuff that
Malcolm would shout.
723
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,280
"Fascist pigs" and
"bully boys", and all that.
724
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,280
I just heard a copper
say, "Where's McLaren?"
725
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,720
And they gave
Malcolm a hammering.
726
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,520
They spun him round like
a top and smashed him.
727
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,040
# Problem
728
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,680
#Problem
729
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,640
# Problem
730
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,160
# Problem. #
731
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,360
It reflected what had
happened to the whole scene.
732
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,040
It had got really
nasty and violent.
733
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,680
Played out. Too much, too soon.
734
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,760
But that was the
time when I thought,
735
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,480
"Hang on a minute. This
isn't actually fun any more.
736
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,800
"This is a turning point."
737
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,680
The real topper was the
Pistols had reached number one
738
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,640
with this alternative
national anthem,
739
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,800
and it had been
erased from the charts,
740
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,760
which is a
wonderful situationist,
741
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,560
and kind of surrealist
achievement.
742
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,840
To have a number
one that didn't exist.
743
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,000
For many, the God
Save The Queen boat trip
744
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,160
had been a stunt too far.
745
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,800
The moral provocation that
the Pistols had revelled in
746
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,800
was turning ugly.
747
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,880
Round about the summer of '77,
748
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,680
Johnny Lydon was attacked,
749
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,480
and it got nasty.
750
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,000
There's always
outside infiltrators
751
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,360
that want to do you
harm late at night.
752
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,520
We used to walk
down the King's Road.
753
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,560
Someone would say, "There's 40
Teds coming from Sloane Square."
754
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,560
And it was a regular thing
755
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,480
on a Saturday afternoon
756
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,680
that kids were being
beaten to a pulp.
757
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,400
There were all these different
factions. Tribes everywhere.
758
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,320
It was always some sort of
war going on against someone.
759
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,880
MUSIC: "A-Bomb In
Wardour Street" by The Jam
760
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,960
# Where the streets
are paved with blood... #
761
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,440
But there was more than
youthful pride at stake.
762
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,000
Racial tension in the UK
763
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,960
was coming to a head.
764
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,520
Two months after the Jubilee,
765
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,960
in Lewisham, south London,
766
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,720
the Anti-Nazi League would clash
violently with the National Front.
767
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:37,880
# It's not my scene at all There's
an A-bomb in Wardour Street
768
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,520
# They're calling in the army
They're calling the policemen... #
769
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,840
Politics, particularly with young
people, were coming to the fore,
770
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,280
because of the rise
of the National Front.
771
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,320
Unthinkable as it is now, at
the time it was broadly believed
772
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,800
that people of colour could
be rounded up and "sent back".
773
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,000
That's what we
were fighting against.
774
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,640
We weren't fighting to defend
our multi-cultural society,
775
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,840
they were building the boats.
776
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,200
# A-bomb in Wardour Street
777
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,000
# It's blown up the West End
778
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000
# Now it's spreading
through the city. #
779
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,440
Though the gigs were exciting
780
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,640
- not just ours, but all
the gigs around that time -
781
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,240
they were also
fucking very scary.
782
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,040
It was a very,
very violent time,
783
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,200
but our music reflected
that as well, I think.
784
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,600
Set against this backdrop,
785
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,720
a new generation of punk
bands were emerging,
786
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,520
which were all about their
working-class audience.
787
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,320
MUSIC: "CID" by the UK Subs
788
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,880
# One false move,
you could be dead
789
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,080
# Cos he's an underground
undercover agent for the CID
790
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,640
# CID, CID
791
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,480
# Got a loaded .44
Walking armoury store. #
792
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,760
The earlier punk scene,
793
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,240
we was almost like ponces.
794
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,520
We were into fashion,
795
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,000
and into that sort of aesthetic.
796
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,720
There was two waves
which came along.
797
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:09,240
The Sex Pistols' audience
798
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:11,880
were art school and very snobby.
799
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,240
Very middle class.
800
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,360
And we were working class.
801
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,280
If the first wave of
punk was the theory,
802
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,880
the second wave was the
reality of council estate Britain.
803
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,360
For many, the godfathers
of this second wave
804
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,600
were a band called Sham 69.
805
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,400
MUSIC: "Borstal
Breakout" by Sham 69
806
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,360
# And all I can think
of is baby I think of you
807
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,520
# Don't worry, baby
I'm coming back for you
808
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,400
# There's going to
be a borstal breakout
809
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,400
# Going to be a borstal breakout
810
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,480
# Going to be a
borstal breakout. #
811
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,360
Sham 69 was, I think,
incredibly important.
812
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,760
Jimmy Pursey was a
very complex character,
813
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,240
who had this
understanding of the white
814
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:11,400
council house kid.
815
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,720
When I heard Sham 69, I
thought, "These are the real punks.
816
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:21,080
"Cos they're real
working-class kids
817
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,320
"from horrible areas.
818
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,440
"And they've got nothing else."
819
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,080
I mean, that's punk.
820
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,040
Probably more pikey
than fucking working class.
821
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,080
I had that observational
way of saying,
822
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,400
"He's the kid that's
going to get the sack.
823
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,840
"He's the kid that's
this character."
824
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,120
Of course, those working-class
kids are 70% of our country.
825
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,720
The one thing I gave
them was that belief -
826
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,720
if I believed in me, they
could believe in themselves.
827
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:03,400
But Sham 69's raw street appeal
828
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,640
was beginning to attract
certain unwanted elements
829
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,440
to the punk scene.
830
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,680
The National Front, or
the British Movement.
831
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,520
They saw a recruitment
drive being able to take place,
832
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,160
because of the working
class kids coming to our gigs.
833
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,680
# There's going to be
a borstal breakout. #
834
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,480
Thank you. APPLAUSE AND CHEERING
835
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,800
Jimmy Pursey
quickly found himself
836
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,040
being the unwilling icon
of a resurgent right wing.
837
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,720
Once the press had said,
838
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,320
"National Front, British
Movement, skinheads
839
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,800
"at this gig",
840
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,480
it invited them all to come.
841
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,640
So, of course, it's catch-22.
842
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,440
I was damned if I did,
or damned if I didn't.
843
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,360
Jimmy Pursey was
trying to lessen the angst
844
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,400
of what was happening to
the white council house estate.
845
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,800
Leaning out into the audience
and talking to these kids.
846
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,200
And saying you don't
have to become racist
847
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,280
to handle what's going on.
848
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,640
There's another voice,
another way of articulating this.
849
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,560
MUSIC: "If The Kids
Are United" by Sham 69
850
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,040
It was the most
emotional period.
851
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,000
Hell's Angels, punks, whatever.
852
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,280
Every different
tribe was around me,
853
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,960
saying, "Jimmy,
854
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,640
"where are we going?"
855
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,440
# United! United! #
856
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,560
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
857
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,560
I'd never seen anything
like it in my life before.
858
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,760
I'd never felt that emotion.
859
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,840
Harder, rougher and less
art-school than the first wave,
860
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,560
it was arguably the
second wave of punk bands
861
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,880
that truly reflected the sound
of Britain's troubled streets
862
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,720
in '78.
863
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:31,160
In Northern Ireland,
groups like Stiff Little Fingers
864
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,400
were tapping back into
punk's revolutionary rhetoric.
865
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,200
# An alternative Ulster
866
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,760
# Grab it, change it, it's yours
867
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,160
# Get an alternative Ulster
868
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,800
# Ignore the bores
and their laws
869
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,520
# Get an alternative Ulster
870
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,120
# Be an anti-security force
871
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,760
# Alter your native Ulster
872
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,800
# Alter your native land. #
873
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,520
The reality of life,
it was just boring.
874
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,440
Bands wouldn't come and play.
875
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,800
They were either frightened to,
or nobody thought to invite them.
876
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,240
The security forces at the time
877
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:08,480
had a ring of gates and
fences round the city centre,
878
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,880
which were locked from
about six-thirty, seven on
879
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,480
in the evening.
880
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,440
A world away from the
increasingly trendy London scene.
881
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,840
This wasn't rebellion
for its own sake.
882
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,080
Punk in Northern
Ireland made sense,
883
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,160
because kids had something
very real to rebel against.
884
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,200
# They say you
will never be free. #
885
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,320
It was all the kids
886
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,000
were going to concerts
together, and clubs.
887
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,720
There was some meeting together.
888
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:42,040
A good excuse for Catholics
and Protestants to get together.
889
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,520
It was a huge explosion,
890
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,640
and everybody was
playing at the same time.
891
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,920
From that point of view,
892
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,520
it probably did bring the
communities together.
893
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,040
But it wasn't a conscious thing.
894
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,720
It was just simply that people
wanted to go see those bands.
895
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:03,600
# Alternative Ulster
896
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,960
# Go and get it now! #
897
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,000
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING
898
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,480
But there was a
growing sense by 1978
899
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,560
that punk's
nihilism and attitude
900
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,280
was becoming nothing
more than a costume.
901
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,160
# Walking down the King's Road
902
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,240
# I see so many faces
903
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,920
# They come from many places
904
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,800
# They come down for the day
905
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,320
# They walk around together
906
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,840
# And try and look trendy
907
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,280
# I think it's a shame
908
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,320
# That they all look the same. #
909
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,000
Is imitation the
greatest form of flattery?
910
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,640
Is it?
911
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,240
It ain't.
912
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,600
Punk had sort of outgrown
itself, within a year, I thought.
913
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,520
I remember walking
down the King's Road
914
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,400
and seeing all these
stereotype punks
915
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,600
with their mad
Mohicans and tartan kilts
916
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,720
and all that caper.
917
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:11,560
Doing photos with
the American tourists.
918
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,320
I thought, "This ain't what
it's supposed to be about."
919
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,920
# They heard John Peel
play it Just the other night
920
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,040
# They'd like to buy
the O Level single... #
921
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,120
The idea that you had to
wear your Nazi armbands,
922
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,320
and follow the fashion.
923
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,840
To me, punk was
about rejecting fashion.
924
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,080
You told me to go and
look at the punk rock scene,
925
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,680
which I'm afraid I didn't
know very much about.
926
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,560
There's a great piece of film of
Derek Nimmo going into Seditionaries
927
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,520
to be kitted out
as a punk rocker,
928
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,240
which I think sums
it up a little bit.
929
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:48,480
LAUGHTER
930
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,680
There was no escaping it.
931
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,680
Punk was becoming as orthodox
932
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,640
as the world it had
set out to destroy.
933
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,040
MUSIC: "Babylon's
Burning" by The Ruts
934
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,280
# With anxiety
935
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,400
# Babylon's burning
Babylon's burning
936
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,160
# With anxiety
937
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,280
# Babylon's burning
Babylon's burning... #
938
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:15,120
You wear those clothes,
and you drink snakebites,
939
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,280
and you vomit
all over the place,
940
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,760
and you gob.
941
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,320
It was like, "Oh God, don't bring
it down to this - to these rules."
942
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,800
I found it very
disturbing, really,
943
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,680
because the whole ethos of
punk was you did what you want.
944
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,040
The media cliche
became an accepted cliche.
945
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,560
You forget that this
isn't what we were doing.
946
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,760
We were trying
to get rid of all that.
947
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,320
# Babylon's burning
Babylon's burning
948
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:42,480
# Babylon's burning. #
949
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,920
Once something
becomes easy to copy,
950
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,120
then it loses its power.
951
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,600
In January of 1978,
952
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,840
at the height of
their popularity,
953
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,840
the Sex Pistols pushed
the self-destruct button.
954
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,360
Oh yes, the last Sex
Pistols gig in San Francisco.
955
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,520
Yeah.
956
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,960
Funny how these things just...
957
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,720
trip off the end of your tongue.
958
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:18,120
Ever get the feeling
you've been cheated?
959
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,760
Good night.
960
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,440
CHEERING AND WHISTLING
961
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,560
I meant it.
962
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,920
I was so fed up with the
idiocy of the management,
963
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,800
and the dissipation of the band.
964
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,000
For many, punk died the
day the Pistols split up.
965
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,640
But, by pulling the plug, they
neatly sidestepped a problem.
966
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,400
Punk was everywhere.
It had taken centre stage,
967
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,600
and its oppositional stance
was now unsustainable.
968
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,840
One of the great achievements
of the punk movement
969
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,520
was to blow away some cobwebs.
970
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,720
It was a great
kind of full stop.
971
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:59,560
But you can't look at punk
unless you understand
972
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,400
that its nihilism
and its anarchy
973
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,800
was the seeds of
its own destruction.
974
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,200
There was a feeling in the air
of, "This is all going downhill."
975
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,600
By the end of
'79, it wasn't fun.
976
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,280
I think if you're not having
fun, you should stop.
977
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,560
The bands that remained
faced a dilemma.
978
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,680
If punk was no longer
rallying against the status quo,
979
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,520
then what should it do?
980
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,720
You only began to see
light at the end of the tunnel
981
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:36,640
when The Clash brought
out London Calling,
982
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,720
and it's like, "Ah! We're free."
983
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:40,680
You can actually embrace
all the world is offering.
984
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,000
That was a milestone record.
985
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,520
Because it broke the
shackles of punk rock.
986
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,600
# London calling
987
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,120
# To the faraway towns
988
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,400
# Now war is declared
And battle come down
989
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,400
# London calling
990
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,440
# To the underworld
991
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,800
# Come out of the cupboard
You boys and girls... #
992
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,200
There was a feeling
that punk music
993
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,680
had really painted
itself into this corner.
994
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,640
We were thinking
along the lines of,
995
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,480
"It's about all music."
996
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,640
We were just playing all
the music that we liked.
997
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,560
# Of that truncheon thing
998
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,400
# The ice age is coming
The sun's zooming in
999
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,960
# Meltdown expected
The wheat is growing thin
1000
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,840
# Engines stopped
running but I have no fear
1001
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,080
# Cos London is drowning
1002
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,400
# I live by the river. #
1003
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,440
The Clash survived,
1004
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,800
because within the
language of The Clash
1005
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,200
is this desire for change.
1006
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,000
But it wasn't just The Clash
learning how to leave punk behind.
1007
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,640
# I'm down in the
tube station at midnight
1008
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,440
# Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
1009
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,200
# I first felt a fist
1010
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,920
# And then a kick I could
now smell their breath... #
1011
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,520
Things outstayed their
welcome, didn't they?
1012
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,840
We took what we wanted, and
what we thought we could use.
1013
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,840
And we did our
own thing with it.
1014
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,160
# An amateur band
rehearse in a nearby yard
1015
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,120
# Watching the telly and
thinking 'bout your holidays
1016
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:27,960
# That's entertainment
1017
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,800
# Ah... #
1018
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,920
We learned to develop, really.
1019
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,160
It took us a couple
of albums to do that.
1020
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:40,320
# Let's get together
Before it's too late... #
1021
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,080
Some of punk's
original class of '76
1022
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:47,920
were even beginning to carve
out careers as bona fide pop stars.
1023
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,200
A lot of people that had
served their apprenticeship
1024
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,720
in the punk rock era
1025
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:54,480
had learned a thing or two.
1026
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,760
I certainly did.
1027
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:02,280
# So unlock the jukebox
And do yourself a favour
1028
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,440
# That music's lost its taste
1029
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,240
# So try another flavour
1030
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:09,160
# Ant music... #
1031
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,040
I certainly became a pop singer.
1032
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,160
Punk was over.
1033
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,560
My intention was to just
to get this thing sounding,
1034
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,680
looking, different from
everything else around me.
1035
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,160
MUSIC: "Hong Kong Garden"
by Siouxsie & the Banshees
1036
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,280
# Harmful elements in the air
1037
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,200
# Cymbals crashing everywhere
1038
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,000
# Reaps the fields
of rice and reeds... #
1039
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,400
It's weird. My first reaction
1040
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,400
to Hong Kong Garden -
1041
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:38,800
when we first wrote it -
1042
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,800
I just thought,
"Ooh, it's too poppy."
1043
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,120
When I thought
about it, I thought,
1044
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,840
"I love pop music."
1045
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,280
MUSIC: "Arabian Nights"
by Siouxsie & the Banshees
1046
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,640
# They said I'd be impressed.
1047
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,000
# Arabian nights
1048
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,400
# At your primitive best. #
1049
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,520
There are some curveballs
1050
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,240
within the realm of pop.
1051
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:10,800
So really, it's a perfect
1052
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,880
platform for anything, really.
1053
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,360
MUSIC: "Your Generation"
by Generation X
1054
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,160
# Well, that's your generation
1055
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,680
# Oh yeah.
1056
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,760
# Time for generation... #
1057
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,120
We thought,
"Let's use the radio.
1058
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,200
"Let's use the TV. Let's
use the newspapers."
1059
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,480
# Bring hell from above
1060
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,360
# Because in the midnight hour
1061
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,520
# She cried, "More, more, more!"
1062
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,320
# With a rebel yell
1063
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,120
# She cried, "More,
more, more!" #
1064
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,960
It certainly gave me a future.
1065
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,760
MUSIC: "Public Image"
by Public Image Limited
1066
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,080
# Hello. Hello... #
1067
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,920
In a little over two years,
1068
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,560
punk had both torn down
the walls of the establishment,
1069
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,640
and imploded. But how would the
generation of bands that followed
1070
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:08,960
face the questions that had
been thrown up post-punk?
1071
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,560
# You never listen
to a word that I say
1072
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,840
# You only see me for
the clothes that I wear
1073
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,280
# Or did the interest
go so much deeper?
1074
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,800
# It must have been
the colour of my hair
1075
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,960
# The public image. #
1076
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,760
# What you wanted
was never made clear
1077
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,440
# Behind the image
was ignorance and fear
1078
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,120
# You hide behind
this public machine
1079
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,920
# You still follow
the same old scheme
1080
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,360
# Public image. #
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