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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:03,840 'Hello and best wishes, everyone, 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,320 'and happy birthday, Mary and Jean, begins this batch of dedications. 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,280 'This is a record for you all from the people 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,040 'who sent the message, Down By The Lazy River, with the Osmonds.' 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,560 # What are you doing tonight? 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,760 # You got no place to go... # 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,920 1976. 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,600 Britain seems half asleep. 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:29,160 This programme contains strong language. 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,600 'It was awful. The main colours were orange, 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,320 'brown' 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,160 and mustard. 13 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,880 'People weren't as sussed as what they are today. 14 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,640 'People weren't as well travelled 15 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,760 'and we were still stuck in this little hole 16 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,440 'as British people, I thought.' 17 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,400 You think of the '70s as being modern times, 18 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,800 but they were very backward and people's attitudes were very backward. 19 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,880 'There was one or two TV channels. 20 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,480 'Everything seemed to end at 11pm. There were no jobs, 21 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,160 'there was no future...' 22 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,800 There was a sense in those early years of boredom. 23 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,680 'You don't remember your youth as being populated by these guys 24 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,960 'who looked like the worst kind of bureaucrat from 1952.' 25 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:16,560 Those were the people who still ran the country. 26 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,000 Welcome to boring Britain. 27 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,280 A young generation has been locked out. 28 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,720 But in a small pocket of the London music scene, 29 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,480 something is stirring. 30 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,680 The UK is about to be rudely awoken. 31 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:43,080 'For mash get smash.' 32 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,880 Dirty bastard. Again. You dirty fucker. 33 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,440 What a BLEEP. 34 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:11,040 'Who do you think you're kidding, Mr Hitler,' 35 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,160 If you think old England's done? 36 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,680 In the scorching summer of 1976, 37 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,800 the Sex Pistols, the Clash and the Damned 38 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,800 were beginning to ignite. 39 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,000 # I don't want a holiday in the sun 40 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,320 # I want to go to the new Belsen 41 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,400 # I want to see some of history 42 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,400 # Cos now I got a reasonable economy 43 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,280 # Now I got a reason Now I got a reason 44 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,240 # Now I got a reason And I'm still waiting... # 45 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,800 As word gradually spread through the country, 46 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,120 London was becoming a place of pilgrimage for the curious few. 47 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,640 'There was this feeling that something was going on in London. There'd been a couple of reviews 48 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:11,400 'of the Sex Pistols in the music papers and we thought, 49 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:12,840 '"Hello! This sounds good." 50 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,840 'Then you saw this photo of Rotten just looking incredible, mean and nasty.' 51 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,800 Finally, someone who's looking different and challenging. 52 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,400 'Looking like we felt! I think trying 53 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,920 'to get a punk band together in Torquay at that time was never going to happen.' 54 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,920 I was always escaping the suburbs 55 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:37,240 and gravitating towards the centre of London. 56 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,800 If you're brought up in the suburbs, 57 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,440 with all that ultra-conservatism that goes on there, 58 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,160 there's a lot to kick back against. 59 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,520 'I thought London was central to everything.' 60 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,000 There wasn't a music scene in Woking. 61 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,040 Meeting people my own age represented a place where you could be yourself. 62 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,520 At that time we were playing social clubs 63 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,640 to disinterested punters really, who just wanted the bingo. 64 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,200 Maybe they'd have a dance towards the end of the night, when they're pissed enough. 65 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,760 # I got no reason It's all too much 66 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,800 # You'll always find me 67 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,480 # Out to lunch... # 68 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,400 'I read this review in the NME of the Pistols and thought we've got to see this band. 69 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:29,280 'We travelled up and went to this all-nighter, where we took speed for the first time.' 70 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:33,360 The effect of the pills and seeing this band was like, "Wow! This is it, this is our time." 71 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,680 # We're so pretty Oh so pretty... # 72 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,320 'It was such a closed, small scene, 73 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,280 'maybe there was 500 people in the whole of England, 74 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:43,640 'maybe, who knew about it?' 75 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,520 It was very small, you knew the faces you saw every week. 76 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,600 'What Johnny Rotten and Joe Strummer, etc, were expressing,' 77 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,600 was so absolutely instantly recognised right across the land. 78 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,160 'There was this punk rock explosion.' 79 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:05,720 # Pretty 80 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,880 # Pretty vacant. # 81 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,120 News of the small scene that had been incubating 82 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,080 in the heart of the capital was slowly spreading. 83 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,960 # We don't care. # 84 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,040 We were aware of a core of punk bands 85 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,600 that were starting to, sort of, 86 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,560 move out, get out into the provinces, 87 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,480 and we would go and see them, you know. 88 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,360 ROUSING GUITAR 89 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:39,360 But with virtually no support, 90 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,080 punk wasn't reaching its audience through established channels. 91 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,880 It was all about word of mouth. 92 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,360 # Mystery man 93 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,440 # Be a doll, be a baby doll... # 94 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,480 It was just like, 95 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,320 you went there once, 96 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:54,800 there was the first few 97 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,680 curiosity seekers and so on, 98 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,120 and the next time you come, 99 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,880 it would be really considerably different. 100 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,520 It just grew, I think, because the UK is such a small place, 101 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,040 it was able to spread. 102 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,480 # Can't afford a cannon 103 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,720 # Neat neat neat She can't afford a gun at all 104 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,160 # Neat neat neat She can't afford a cannon 105 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,720 # Neat neat neat She can't afford a gun at all. # 106 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,960 I remember Redcar, playing at the Coatham Bowl. It was great. 107 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,320 But the Flaming Groovies are the headliners. 108 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:24,720 That's who you want, isn't it? 109 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,760 Converting a few Flaming Groovies fans was one thing. 110 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,560 But punk at the tail end of '76 only really 111 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,320 existed in the minds of the converted few. 112 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,560 But all that 113 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,320 was about to change. 114 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,600 They are punk rockers. 115 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,600 The new craze, they tell me. 116 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:48,480 Well, there's a conservative. 117 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,720 They are as drunk as I am. 118 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,960 He was the institution, 119 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,520 and we were not. 120 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,360 They are a group called the Sex Pistols.. 121 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,040 Bill Grundy was the host of a pre-watershed news programme 122 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:00,520 called The Today Show, 123 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,840 on which the Sex Pistols were a last-minute booking. 124 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:04,800 They are heroes, 125 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,360 not the nice clean Rolling Stones. 126 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:12,000 Queen were going to go and pulled out at the last minute, so there 127 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,920 we were, short notice, 128 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,720 and Bill Grundy didn't want to interview us. 129 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,360 I didn't know that Steve had found a bottle of Blue Nun 130 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,280 and gone to another room and drunk the lot. 131 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,920 Suddenly millions of viewers, sitting down to their early evening 132 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,760 TV dinners, were confronted by something a little bit unexpected. 133 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,800 BILL GRUNDY: What about you girls behind? 134 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,480 'We didn't have a clue what was going to happen.' 135 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,680 Bill Grundy was just so 136 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,040 contemptuous of them. 137 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,360 It's what? 138 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,240 Nothing. A rude word. Next question. 139 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,360 No, no. What was the rude word? 140 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,160 Shit. 141 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,880 'There he is. He's the one goading us into it.' 142 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,040 He definitely had an eye on the young ladies in the bin liners. 143 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,320 Always wanted to meet you. Did you really? Yeah. 144 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,240 We'll meet afterwards, shall we? 145 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,280 You dirty sod. 146 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,080 I was being, 147 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,360 "Ooh, I've always wanted to meet you", - not really(!) 148 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,840 So, he had a real attitude. 149 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,840 He picked the wrong guys, and then halfway through the interview, 150 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,200 Steve's bottle of Blue Nun kicked in. 151 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,240 You know, it was a recipe for disaster. 152 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,320 Go on, you've got another five seconds, 153 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:25,840 say something outrageous. 154 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,320 You dirty bastard. Again. 155 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,320 You dirty fucker. What a clever boy! 156 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,000 What a fucking rotter. That's it for tonight. 157 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,440 Swearing on prime-time television 158 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,000 just didn't happen in 1976. 159 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,480 I mean, the reaction the next day in the newspapers, 160 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,600 was just like, "What?" 161 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,720 "The Filth And The Fury", and it was like, 162 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,800 exclamation mark. Front pages. 163 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,880 Far from revelling in the scandal, 164 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,000 Sex Pistols manager Malcolm McLaren was initially very worried. 165 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,960 Malcolm was ghostly white, like, "You've ruined everything 166 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,480 "I've been working for. You've just destroyed a year's 167 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,640 "worth of work by swearing on television." 168 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,240 The next morning, he saw all the front pages 169 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,480 and realised it was a good idea. 170 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,680 Next day, punk rock was a national phenomenon. 171 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,160 # I am an Antichrist 172 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,560 # I am an anarchist... # 173 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:35,480 Fresh from their Grundy Show appearance, 174 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,040 the Sex Pistols embarked on the Anarchy In The UK tour 175 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,400 with The Dammed and The Clash. 176 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,360 But they quickly discovered that being the centre of national 177 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,800 attention wasn't necessarily a good thing. 178 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:50,680 # Anarchy-y-y. # 179 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,800 I remember it felt great 180 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,880 on the Sex Pistols' first tour that was no tour. 181 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,120 We had a crate of beer and I was drunk. 182 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,680 But the next day, that's like, 183 00:10:04,680 --> 00:10:06,880 "No, that's just not right. 184 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,120 "Why are we banned?" 185 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,240 Relationship with God and a right way with God in this world. 186 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,080 This protest is to make Wales know, to let the people of this town 187 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,560 know, that we do protest. 188 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:22,160 On the rare occasion a town council 189 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,960 allowed the Pistols to play, 190 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,520 they were met with a mixture of local protesters, 191 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,880 and the odd curiosity seeker, who managed to break through 192 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,400 the picket line. 193 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,600 # I want to be-e-e 194 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,320 # Anarchy-y-y. # 195 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,040 It's lowering the standard of our people in Caerphilly. 196 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,600 It's degrading and disgusting for our children 197 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,160 to hear and see such things. 198 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:49,680 PROTESTORS SING 199 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:52,120 How do you feel about the crowd opposite? 200 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,240 There are entitled to do what they want. 201 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:55,720 It was strange 202 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,360 to be part of something where venues were being 203 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,720 withdrawn where you can't play, you're being censored. 204 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,040 You felt persecuted. 205 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,040 Lines were drawn, and you chose what side you were on. 206 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,960 How do you react to the reputation that your group is the most 207 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,240 revolting in the country? 208 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,960 Look, our group is creating a generation gap for the first 209 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,680 time in five years in this country 210 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:24,160 and a lot of people are feeling genuinely threatened by it. 211 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,040 We ain't even being allowed to play. 212 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,680 'There was so much going on,'... 213 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,720 ..so much vicious hatred towards us, 214 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,120 because we were doing something completely new, 215 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:42,280 'we looked like nothing most people had ever seen.' 216 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,040 I try so hard to be nice. 217 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:50,040 It taught me that the British are, by nature, very conservative. 218 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:54,000 # Anarchist 219 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,800 # I get pissed 220 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,600 # Destroy-oy. # 221 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:10,640 Almost overnight, punk had become public enemy number one. 222 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,160 Punk rock has become almost a battle cry in British society. 223 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,840 For many people, it's a bigger threat to our way of life 224 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,400 than Russian Communism or hyperinflation. 225 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,760 What I'm concerned about is the manner in which certain groups 226 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:26,960 behave onstage. 227 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,560 Now they're bringing out these freak punk rock groups. 228 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:32,640 We're not going to have this punk rock brigade. 229 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,440 It's all wrong! HE BURPS 230 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,400 ROUSING GUITAR 231 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,960 But for much of Britain's youth, 232 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,600 punk meant something else entirely. 233 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:46,920 # I want it with you 234 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,280 # Wishing your love will see me through. # 235 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,000 I want it to do something for me. 236 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,280 Look at me now, I'm nothing. 237 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:58,560 That's what punk is. 238 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:01,560 Punk was our time. 239 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:03,880 This was our music and our generation. 240 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,600 There was a real sense of 241 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,920 these people are going to destroy civilisation. 242 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,440 If you get a bit up for it, that's bloody hard luck. 243 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,080 We're never going to back down. 244 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,520 It didn't matter about class, but a lot of it was largely 245 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,760 working class, 246 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,560 but it mattered about what your ideas were like. 247 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,800 # This is the future. # 248 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,000 There's people branding us. They're saying I'm vile and obscene. 249 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,480 Do I look vile and obscene? 250 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,640 People looked on in horror, because they just didn't understand 251 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,560 what we were, but what we really were was a by-product of what was happening 252 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:50,560 and we threw it back at them, and actually, it was quite a laugh. 253 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:53,320 I think punk was a time 254 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,040 when all the freaks, 255 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,880 misfits and outlaws, 256 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,120 had their moment, their moment in the sun. 257 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,200 As '76 gave way to '77, 258 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,840 punk's clarion call had been sounded. 259 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,440 A new generation was sick of waiting for its turn. 260 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,280 There was still this whole idea 261 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,040 you could only advance if you put in the years, 262 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,280 and that was across the board - 263 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,440 industry, art, commerce. 264 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,960 # Paint by numbers. # 265 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,200 A new do-it-yourself spirit was beginning to take root. 266 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:45,840 # So break up, make up. # 267 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,680 Punk was about being an active participant, rather than just 268 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,200 a passive consumer. 269 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,640 It made you think, "Well, I can do that," 270 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,200 so the next question is, why the hell don't you do it? 271 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:57,760 # Make-up. # 272 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,600 Are you a singer? Yeah. Have you sung before? 273 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,400 Not on stage, no. 274 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,360 Suddenly the spotlight belonged to anybody who wanted it. 275 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,480 With very little resources, 276 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,040 we were very resourceful. 277 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,040 What did you sing? The Lord's Prayer, via Twist & Shout, 278 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,640 Knockin' On Heaven's Door, 279 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,840 and a bit of Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles. 280 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,760 There is a way, so long as you're persistent and aggressive 281 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,200 and beat the hell out of them. 282 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,200 MUSIC: "Make Up To Break Up" by Siouxsie & the Banshees 283 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:48,280 The whole idea you needed someone's permission to do these things 284 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,280 was destroyed. People were starting record labels and magazines. 285 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,520 # Foundation starts to tremble... # 286 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,360 We thought we had something to offer. 287 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,400 There was a climate for things to be radically shaken up. 288 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,840 # Cracking up - up, up 289 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,120 # Face is cracking up. # 290 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,760 We said, "We don't have to ask anyone else's permission". 291 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,240 We can just go ahead and do it. 292 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,880 MUSIC: "When I Need You" by Leo Sayer 293 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,800 Everything old and established 294 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,440 was now open to attack, 295 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,880 and if the record industry didn't get it... 296 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:37,000 MUSIC: "Breakdown" by The Buzzcocks 297 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,760 In January 1977, a young band from Manchester called The Buzzcocks 298 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,280 decided to release an EP... 299 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,560 themselves. 300 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,680 We worked out that for ยฃ500, 301 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,320 we could press 1,000 singles, 302 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,720 and a picture sleeve. 303 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,120 We decided to do an EP cos people brought out EPs. 304 00:17:08,120 --> 00:17:11,080 The Beatles had loads of EPs and things. 305 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,760 It was good cos it had four songs on. 306 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,400 If you just have a single, you've just got two sides. 307 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,480 We went in and we did four songs. 308 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,120 # I'm going to breakdown Got to break it down, yes. # 309 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:23,240 I suppose we released our own record 310 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,480 because it was the easiest way of doing it. 311 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,840 And went into the college and put it on, 312 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,640 and watched people's expressions - "What the hell is this?" 313 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:38,280 I still do think it's one of the most tremendous records ever made. 314 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,200 Before that, it had been ageing hippies giving you the impression 315 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,520 that you shouldn't go out and play a guitar, 316 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,840 unless you'd been at it for 30 years. 317 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,280 As far as punk was concerned, 318 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,240 rock'n'roll had spent two decades 319 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,560 growing ever more pompous. 320 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,080 Punk's mission was to simply start all over again. 321 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:09,360 We started referring to the bigger bands as the "dinosaurs", 322 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:11,160 rejecting the past. 323 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,640 MUSIC: "You're In My Heart" by Rod Stewart 324 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,760 Rod Stewart and people like that were getting to look sillier 325 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,360 as the years went on. 326 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:23,120 They just looked like Louis XIV. 327 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:25,840 And someone had to cut their head off. 328 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,160 HE LAUGHS 329 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,160 # You're in my heart You're in my soul 330 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,120 # You'll be my breath Should I grow old. # 331 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:38,840 It's got nothing to do with them any more. 332 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,200 Rod Stewart starts going on with his string orchestra. 333 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,120 It's not what you feel like, 334 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:45,280 so you've got to have some music what you feel like. 335 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:46,760 Otherwise you go barmy, don't you? 336 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,680 MUSIC: "1977" by The Clash 337 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,320 The Clash's song 1977 338 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,200 captured this desire to wipe the slate clean. 339 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,600 # Sten guns in Knightsbridge 340 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,280 # Danger stranger 341 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,760 # You better paint your face 342 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,760 # No Elvis, Beatles or the Rolling Stones 343 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:14,880 # 1977. # 344 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,640 But the Year Zero mantra hid a contradiction. 345 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,080 Punk defined itself as the future of music, 346 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:25,000 but equally championed a return to rock'n'roll's past. 347 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,800 Three chords. Three-minute songs 348 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,920 played loud and fast. 349 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,680 # No Elvis, Beatles 350 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,080 # Or the Rolling Stones. # 351 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,360 It was more about an ideal, 1977, 352 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:43,200 rather than to be taken literally. 353 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,400 I loved the Beatles, 354 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,320 but I loved also the Rolling Stones and the Kinks. 355 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,880 The line of rock'n'roll that goes right back to Elvis. 356 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,720 When Elvis first came out, 357 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,280 that was like nothing they'd seen before. 358 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,080 When the Pistols came out, it was like nothing you'd seen before, 359 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,320 in the same way. 360 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,280 A lot of us... I still had Deep Purple albums. 361 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,640 People do forget, when they look back, 362 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,680 we weren't from outer space! 363 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,320 Everybody liked these people, really. 364 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,360 I never met anybody that didn't like the Stones. 365 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:27,480 If you don't like the Stones, what are you doing in rock? 366 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,840 What are you doing in a rock'n'roll band? 367 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,840 We weren't consciously lying about the rejections part, 368 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,760 but it was important to define what punk was about. 369 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,360 To actually start differentiating, 370 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:46,920 in a way that gave punk its identity 371 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,120 to the wider public. 372 00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:52,760 To be a punk in 1977 373 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,920 was to set yourself in opposition 374 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,280 to society in any way possible. 375 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,840 MUSIC: "Identity" by X-Ray Spex 376 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,920 # Identity is the crisis - can't you see? 377 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:11,280 # Identity 378 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,800 # When you look in the mirror Can you see? # 379 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,680 One of the things I had made for me at the time 380 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,400 was this rapist mask. 381 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,240 I used to wear this out in clubs. It was a great look. 382 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:28,800 I got a pair of leather trousers, 383 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,240 and I wore them for six months without taking them off. 384 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,960 I'd end up dyeing things in bathtubs. 385 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,120 I'd dye one side of a shirt pink - 386 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:38,200 it was supposed to be red but came out pink, 387 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,720 and the other side yellow, and wear it. 388 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,720 It was wearing stuff that used to arrive in brown paper envelopes 389 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:46,960 on the street. 390 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,960 Not just wearing it in the privacy of your bedroom or dungeon. 391 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:55,560 The effect was fabulous, and the girls looked great in it. 392 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,920 The dog collar - what an amazing accessory. 393 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,680 "OK, you give us nothing. 394 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,760 "We've got no jobs, nowhere to go, we can't afford to buy clothes. 395 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,600 "We'll wear these fucked-up old tights. 396 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,480 "And, what's more, we'll look great while we do it." 397 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,360 It was like, "Fuck you. We can wear what we like. 398 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:16,760 "I know this might upset you. Who gives a damn?" 399 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,520 But notoriety came at a price. 400 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,680 Now that punk was a matter of national controversy, 401 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,120 many of the pubs that had nurtured the pub rock scene 402 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:28,840 only a year earlier, 403 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,360 had shut their doors. 404 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:33,840 In those days you couldn't go in the pubs, man. 405 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,080 You couldn't go in clubs. 406 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,800 They were reluctant to put punk bands on, 407 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,840 because they didn't want that type in there. 408 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,600 Punk needed a home. 409 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,480 A place where it could truly express itself. 410 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,200 It was in the middle of Covent Garden. 411 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,360 It was like the surface of the moon. 412 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:01,160 The only people that you saw 413 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,320 were punks and opera-goers. 414 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,440 To me, it's central - the Roxy was the heart of it. 415 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,680 The Roxy, in all ways, 416 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,880 was the most important pilgrimage you could make. 417 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,720 The whole essence to the place was punk. 418 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:28,480 # We're talking into corners Finding ways to fill the vacuum 419 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,080 # And though our mouths are dry 420 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,600 # We talk in hope to hear something new. # 421 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,760 The place held, officially, 160. We had maybe 360 in there. 422 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,080 So it was mayhem, but fun. 423 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,080 We were getting phone calls from bands. 424 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,560 "Are you a punk band?" "Yeah." 425 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,920 Where are you from?" "Sheffield." "You're playing next Thursday." 426 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,200 Simple as that. 427 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,720 # Bored teenagers Seeing ourselves as strangers... # 428 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,840 When you'd see those kids jumping up and down, 429 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,800 it wasn't about getting hurt or having fights. 430 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,160 No-one had done that before. There had never been that seething mass 431 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,720 of frustration and anger. 432 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,400 The Roxy was where many of punk's new set of manners 433 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,960 were given space to evolve. 434 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,640 Why nod, when you could pogo? 435 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,960 Why cheer, when you could hurl an arc of phlegm? 436 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,120 There's no option but to accept the fact 437 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:22,720 people will gob on you. 438 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,280 It almost became the defining sign 439 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,200 that this isn't the way things were before. 440 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,760 It all began with The Damned's Rat Scabies. 441 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,360 I was watching the Pistols. 442 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:39,880 Jonesy was gobbing all over the stage and he fucking gobbed at me. 443 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,200 And I gobbed back. 444 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,560 The audience just saw it as a great leveller. 445 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,120 What would have been unthinkable a year earlier 446 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,360 was now the norm. 447 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,160 Gobbing was the new applause. 448 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,240 I remember one night I was singing, 449 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,000 and there was this double-headed spit coming at me. 450 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,120 I was trying to get out of the way. This way - 451 00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:02,440 and I could still see it. 452 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,760 I was trying to go that way. I didn't know which way to go, 453 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,200 and "Boosh!" 454 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,400 It was the most revolting thing. 455 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,160 If they didn't spit at you, it means they didn't like you. 456 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:18,520 # Bored out of our heads Bored out of our minds. # 457 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,480 Every new movement needs somewhere you can all gather. 458 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,320 The Roxy was that place. 459 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,280 The place where it all fomented, and started happening. 460 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,640 But despite having found a common cause, 461 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,520 and a place to call home, 462 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,480 the punk scene in '77 463 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,280 was far from being a happy family. 464 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,800 Within the movement, there was lots of different tribes, 465 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,200 but that made for healthy competition. 466 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,480 That's what was special about the scene. 467 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,080 You had these different camps trying to one-up each other. 468 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,080 MUSIC: "Ambition" by the Subway Sect 469 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,080 "My band's better than your band. You're shit. We're the business." 470 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,800 It wasn't like some big commune of people working together 471 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,680 for the greater good. 472 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,880 God forbid. 473 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,400 Punks didn't like each other. No camaraderie whatsoever. 474 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,280 At all. None. 475 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,160 It was all competitive. 476 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,280 All these bands of people I'd known - mates, 477 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,080 were all incredibly oppositional. 478 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,720 It was really jealousy that was driving it. 479 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,880 They wanted to outdo the Pistols. 480 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,800 So, constantly fighting that. 481 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,680 Punk wasn't a unified movement. 482 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,200 It was a bunch of really jealous people 483 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,360 trying to outdo each other. 484 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,520 But although the scene appeared fearless and free, 485 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,560 a young band from Woking would show that punk was already becoming 486 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,960 something of an exclusive club. 487 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,160 The Jam were a band playing the same gigs as punk bands, 488 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,960 and had the same energy in their music. 489 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,000 Turning up in suits and all that was seen as a bit silly. 490 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,840 I don't know why, but we'd always dressed the same onstage. 491 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,080 I'd made everyone go to Burton's and get suits. 492 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,360 I'm only laughing cos some of them were atrocious! 493 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:14,280 HE LAUGHS 494 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,840 Like split-level loons and satin jackets, 495 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,560 but that's another story, folks. 496 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,320 Yeah, it was to stand out. To be different from everyone else. 497 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,320 When everyone else was covered in safety pins and all that shite. 498 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,760 MUSIC: "In The City" by The Jam 499 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,640 # In the city there's a thousand things I want to say to you 500 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,280 # But whenever I approach you You make me look a fool 501 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,040 # I want to say 502 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,960 # I want to tell you 503 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,320 # About the young ideas 504 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,200 # You better listen now You've said your bit. # 505 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,840 We used to take the piss out of them for tuning up, 506 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,240 which Paul Weller hated. 507 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,360 I used to get a lot of flak for that. 508 00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:02,640 They thought it was kind of too "muso". 509 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,360 # We want to say 510 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,600 # We're going to tell you 511 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,480 # About the young ideas 512 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,880 # You better listen now You've said your bit. # 513 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:20,560 The Clash and the Pistols seemed to me like an upper-middle-class 514 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,480 kind of Kensington Market kind of thing. 515 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,120 With the Jam, you knew exactly where they were coming from. 516 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,240 I think we appealed to people who were like us. 517 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,960 I think we appealed to a lot of people from the suburbs. 518 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,640 We weren't really part of a hip London niche. 519 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,560 That was the same all over the country, really. 520 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,880 I think the songs I was writing, 521 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,240 people understood, cos they saw themselves in those songs. 522 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,960 Despite appearing as outsiders to the punk scene, 523 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,680 The Jam were most definitely inspired by it. 524 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,040 The Pistols played short, spiky songs. 525 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,400 I think from that experience, 526 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,800 I went back and started writing in that style a little bit. 527 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,080 It was only really listening to The Clash, and reading their lyrics, 528 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,720 that I started to think about what's going on around me. 529 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,760 Prior to that, I'd just written about, you know, girls. 530 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,040 In May 1977, The Jam appeared on Top of the Pops. 531 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,280 # In the city there's a thousand things I want to say to you. # 532 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,240 APPLAUSE 533 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,040 At the forefront of a new rock phenomenon known as "New Wave", 534 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,520 there go The Jam and In The City. 535 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,000 But as the record industry slowly woke up 536 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,160 to punk's commercial potential, 537 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,120 a tension at its heart 538 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,400 began to emerge, 539 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,280 between staying independent and gaining mass exposure. 540 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,920 Any record deal we signed in those days, 541 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,080 I'd seen them straightaway as the enemy. 542 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,240 They'd sign us. They'd give you the right smiles. 543 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,680 They'd go, "Oh yeah, we love what you're doing. 544 00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:01,600 "Sign on the contract", and two days later, it's a list of demands. 545 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,360 The Pistols' attitude 546 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,000 had ensured they had already been dropped by two labels 547 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,280 by mid-1977. Punk and the record industry 548 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,800 were not the easiest of bedfellows. 549 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,240 MUSIC: "EMI" by the Sex Pistols 550 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,440 "Wouldn't it be nice if you wrote a song about this, that or the other?" 551 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,200 "Would it be? 552 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,720 "Yeah, it might be nice. 553 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,280 "But this is what I'm doing. 554 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,520 "This is what I was paid to do." 555 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,360 # A&M. # 556 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,160 MUSIC: "Complete Control" by The Clash 557 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,040 When The Clash signed to CBS, 558 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,400 punk found itself at a crossroads. 559 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,080 Could they have their cake and eat it too? 560 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,160 I can remember a serious debate within The Clash 561 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,400 about whether they should sign to CBS. 562 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,400 If it was important to get the message out 563 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,760 to as wide an audience as possible, 564 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,120 or if you should do it on an independent label, 565 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,840 and risk that 14-year-old in Newcastle or Glasgow 566 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,040 never getting the message. 567 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,520 I said punk died the day The Clash signed to CBS. 568 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:09,160 I felt they would have made such a massive statement 569 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,480 if they had made their own records, 570 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,640 through their own independent record label. 571 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,760 Yeah, it's all a business. 572 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,640 Does it shock you that you wanted to destroy it 573 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,400 and it still is a business? Well, we signed up with them. 574 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,480 We weren't going to go into a hippy thing, 575 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,120 and stay in one corner of the world and no-one hears about you. 576 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,520 If you want to come out of that corner, 577 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,040 you have to deal with the real world, and that's business. 578 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,560 MUSIC: "White Riot" by The Clash 579 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,960 In May '77, The Clash embarked 580 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,520 upon the White Riot tour, 581 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,240 with the Buzzcocks, Subway Sect, and the Slits. 582 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,280 The tour would quickly cement them 583 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,960 as the new voice of Britain's dole-bound generation. 584 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,120 # White riot - I want a riot 585 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,320 # White riot - a riot of my own 586 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,120 # White riot - I want a riot 587 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,200 # White riot - a riot of my own 588 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,040 # Black man got a lot of problems 589 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,040 # But they don't mind throwing a brick... # 590 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,840 Mainly it's remembered for the fact 591 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,840 it was the first time that punk had played in a big place. 592 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,800 It was like a bunch of crazy kids, 593 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,200 all on holiday together - like on a Butlin's. 594 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,360 It was like, "We're all going on a summer holiday" type thing. 595 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,240 Me and Mick Jones were going out together, 596 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,560 and breaking up on-and-off 597 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,640 throughout the tour, so it was all very dramatic! 598 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,440 The first night of the White Riot tour, 599 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,400 at the Rainbow in Finsbury Park, 600 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,840 was just chaos. 601 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,320 The most scary-looking mean guys walking round, 602 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,000 in nothing else other than DMs, 603 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,840 Y-fronts 604 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,680 and an old overcoat. 605 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,480 At the bus stop. They didn't even wait till they got in the gig! 606 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,560 2,000 uninitiated people turned up that night. 607 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,600 It was the most incendiary and scary gig I've ever been to. 608 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,360 There was a few chairs smashed. 609 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,920 Like with the Teddy Boys, 610 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,400 when they ripped up the seats at Bill Haley. 611 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,880 So that was like the same thing. 612 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,400 It was fairly harmless. 613 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,000 Disengage the seat in front and throw it into the orchestra pit. 614 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,440 And we had to pay for it. 615 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,400 HE LAUGHS 616 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:26,080 # White riot - I want a riot White riot - a riot of my own! # 617 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,320 APPLAUSE AND CHEERING 618 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,800 DUB REGGAE PLAYS 619 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,400 While The Clash were inciting white riots all over the UK, 620 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,080 punk and reggae 621 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,680 were beginning to find common cause. 622 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,680 It was interesting to see how my culture 623 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,960 was turning on my white contemporaries. 624 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,560 They dug the bass lines. 625 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,320 They dug the musical reportage aspect of the lyrics. 626 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,200 They dug the anti-establishment vibe. 627 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,600 Didn't mind the weed, either. 628 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,480 At punk gigs, the only thing that made it bearable for me 629 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,840 was that DJs would play quite a lot of reggae 630 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,160 and roots reggae and dub, which was the golden period. 631 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,200 Phenomenal music that is just earth-shattering. 632 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,280 One of the key tracks played on The Clash's White Riot tour 633 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,440 was White Man In Hammersmith Palais. 634 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,480 By assimilating reggae into their songwriting, 635 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,840 The Clash were beginning to reach out 636 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,160 and expand punk's musical borders. 637 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,440 # Midnight to six man 638 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,920 # For the first time from Jamaica... # 639 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,280 We couldn't do it just straight. 640 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,080 It was cos we didn't understand it. 641 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,760 It was like we sort of understand it differently. 642 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,480 We had to put ourselves into it. 643 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,960 # Ken Boothe, UK pop reggae 644 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,280 # With backing band sound system... # 645 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,480 I actually took Strummer to Hammersmith Palais 646 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,120 the night he was inspired to write White Man In Hammersmith. 647 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,280 Reggae lyrics was like the currency of street speak. 648 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,800 It was like slogans. Under Heavy Manners. 649 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,520 "Cramp and paralyze them and those that worship Babylon." 650 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,880 Punks really dug that kind of lyricism. 651 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,000 There was a great similarity, 652 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,880 in terms of they were both rebel musics. 653 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,000 # They ain't got no roots rock rhythm. # 654 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,280 MUSIC: "God Save The Queen" (National Anthem) 655 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,160 As Britain prepared itself for the Queen's Silver Jubilee celebrations 656 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,280 that summer, 657 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,040 the Sex Pistols prepared to release their second single. 658 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,560 Of course I wrote God Save The Queen. I wrote the rewrite! 659 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:12,520 # God save our gracious Queen 660 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:19,760 # Long live our noble Queen. # 661 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,080 The original lyrics were unacceptable. 662 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,280 # God save the Queen 663 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,160 # The fascist regime 664 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,320 # They made you a moron 665 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,520 # Potential H-bomb 666 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,600 # God save the Queen 667 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,600 # She ain't no human being 668 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,400 # There is no future 669 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,880 # In England's dreaming. # 670 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,200 It came about quite easy. 671 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,120 It was just an ongoing thought process. 672 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,840 Finally, I decided to put pen to paper. 673 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,600 Ran to the rehearsal studio, really proud of it. 674 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,040 Knew the band wouldn't catch on what I was saying. 675 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,400 And somehow managed to squeak it onto vinyl. 676 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,600 # We love our Queen 677 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,920 # God saves. # 678 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,920 It was the poetry of the street. 679 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,680 The poetry of new England. 680 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,760 The poetry against the Silver Jubilee. 681 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,160 It was a great challenge to that ghastly kind of arse licking 682 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,800 of the monarchy that was going on. 683 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,840 # We love our Queen 684 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,720 # God saves. # 685 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,480 To promote the single, 686 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,920 manager Malcolm McLaren arranged for the Pistols 687 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,360 to perform a gig on the Thames, 688 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,160 to coincide with the Queen's own river procession. 689 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,880 Punk had its perfect stage. 690 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,360 But the band were getting sick of McLaren's art school pranks. 691 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,960 # We mean it, man. # 692 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,520 By that time, the band were on full collision course 693 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,640 with Malcolm - particularly John. 694 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,640 John had a lot of power over Malcolm, 695 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,240 but Malcolm controlled the purse strings. 696 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:08,840 There were a lot of conflicts. 697 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,080 Ever get the feeling you've been trapped? 698 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,400 I was woken up that morning, told there was a boat trip. 699 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,120 I didn't really want to go, but went anyway. 700 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,320 Sid felt the same. 701 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,040 'Steve and Paul felt the same.' 702 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,480 I've had enough of your bullshit. 703 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,160 They weren't talking to each other. 704 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,200 They weren't happy. They didn't just have contempt for the audience - 705 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,080 they had total contempt for themselves. 706 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,680 It was a very unhappy little trip. 707 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,600 MUSIC: "Problems" by the Sex Pistols 708 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,520 # Problems. # 709 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,040 The public outrage that the Pistols' appearance 710 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,440 with Bill Grundy had unleashed 711 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,040 was insatiable. 712 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,160 So there we were. Before we knew it, 713 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,200 the police boats were all around us saying, "Stop, desist, come in." 714 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,160 The police go, "Which one's Johnny Rotten?" 715 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,960 "Oh, I cannot tell a lie, 'occifer', 716 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,760 "it's him down there, innit?" 717 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,240 HE LAUGHS 718 00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:14,600 The ultimate reward. 719 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,520 They don't even know the demon that they're chasing. 720 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,800 Malcolm McLaren was coming down the gangplank, 721 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,960 and shouting out 722 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,280 the kind of stuff that Malcolm would shout. 723 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,280 "Fascist pigs" and "bully boys", and all that. 724 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,280 I just heard a copper say, "Where's McLaren?" 725 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,720 And they gave Malcolm a hammering. 726 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,520 They spun him round like a top and smashed him. 727 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,040 # Problem 728 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,680 #Problem 729 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,640 # Problem 730 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,160 # Problem. # 731 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,360 It reflected what had happened to the whole scene. 732 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,040 It had got really nasty and violent. 733 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,680 Played out. Too much, too soon. 734 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,760 But that was the time when I thought, 735 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,480 "Hang on a minute. This isn't actually fun any more. 736 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,800 "This is a turning point." 737 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,680 The real topper was the Pistols had reached number one 738 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,640 with this alternative national anthem, 739 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,800 and it had been erased from the charts, 740 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,760 which is a wonderful situationist, 741 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,560 and kind of surrealist achievement. 742 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,840 To have a number one that didn't exist. 743 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,000 For many, the God Save The Queen boat trip 744 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,160 had been a stunt too far. 745 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,800 The moral provocation that the Pistols had revelled in 746 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,800 was turning ugly. 747 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,880 Round about the summer of '77, 748 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,680 Johnny Lydon was attacked, 749 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,480 and it got nasty. 750 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,000 There's always outside infiltrators 751 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,360 that want to do you harm late at night. 752 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,520 We used to walk down the King's Road. 753 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,560 Someone would say, "There's 40 Teds coming from Sloane Square." 754 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,560 And it was a regular thing 755 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,480 on a Saturday afternoon 756 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,680 that kids were being beaten to a pulp. 757 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,400 There were all these different factions. Tribes everywhere. 758 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,320 It was always some sort of war going on against someone. 759 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,880 MUSIC: "A-Bomb In Wardour Street" by The Jam 760 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,960 # Where the streets are paved with blood... # 761 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,440 But there was more than youthful pride at stake. 762 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,000 Racial tension in the UK 763 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,960 was coming to a head. 764 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,520 Two months after the Jubilee, 765 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,960 in Lewisham, south London, 766 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,720 the Anti-Nazi League would clash violently with the National Front. 767 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:37,880 # It's not my scene at all There's an A-bomb in Wardour Street 768 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,520 # They're calling in the army They're calling the policemen... # 769 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,840 Politics, particularly with young people, were coming to the fore, 770 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,280 because of the rise of the National Front. 771 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,320 Unthinkable as it is now, at the time it was broadly believed 772 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,800 that people of colour could be rounded up and "sent back". 773 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,000 That's what we were fighting against. 774 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,640 We weren't fighting to defend our multi-cultural society, 775 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,840 they were building the boats. 776 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,200 # A-bomb in Wardour Street 777 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,000 # It's blown up the West End 778 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000 # Now it's spreading through the city. # 779 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,440 Though the gigs were exciting 780 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,640 - not just ours, but all the gigs around that time - 781 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,240 they were also fucking very scary. 782 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,040 It was a very, very violent time, 783 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,200 but our music reflected that as well, I think. 784 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,600 Set against this backdrop, 785 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,720 a new generation of punk bands were emerging, 786 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,520 which were all about their working-class audience. 787 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,320 MUSIC: "CID" by the UK Subs 788 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,880 # One false move, you could be dead 789 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,080 # Cos he's an underground undercover agent for the CID 790 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,640 # CID, CID 791 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,480 # Got a loaded .44 Walking armoury store. # 792 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,760 The earlier punk scene, 793 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,240 we was almost like ponces. 794 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,520 We were into fashion, 795 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,000 and into that sort of aesthetic. 796 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,720 There was two waves which came along. 797 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:09,240 The Sex Pistols' audience 798 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:11,880 were art school and very snobby. 799 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,240 Very middle class. 800 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,360 And we were working class. 801 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,280 If the first wave of punk was the theory, 802 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,880 the second wave was the reality of council estate Britain. 803 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,360 For many, the godfathers of this second wave 804 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,600 were a band called Sham 69. 805 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,400 MUSIC: "Borstal Breakout" by Sham 69 806 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,360 # And all I can think of is baby I think of you 807 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,520 # Don't worry, baby I'm coming back for you 808 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,400 # There's going to be a borstal breakout 809 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,400 # Going to be a borstal breakout 810 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,480 # Going to be a borstal breakout. # 811 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,360 Sham 69 was, I think, incredibly important. 812 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,760 Jimmy Pursey was a very complex character, 813 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,240 who had this understanding of the white 814 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:11,400 council house kid. 815 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,720 When I heard Sham 69, I thought, "These are the real punks. 816 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:21,080 "Cos they're real working-class kids 817 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,320 "from horrible areas. 818 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,440 "And they've got nothing else." 819 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,080 I mean, that's punk. 820 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,040 Probably more pikey than fucking working class. 821 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,080 I had that observational way of saying, 822 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,400 "He's the kid that's going to get the sack. 823 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,840 "He's the kid that's this character." 824 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,120 Of course, those working-class kids are 70% of our country. 825 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,720 The one thing I gave them was that belief - 826 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,720 if I believed in me, they could believe in themselves. 827 00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:03,400 But Sham 69's raw street appeal 828 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,640 was beginning to attract certain unwanted elements 829 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,440 to the punk scene. 830 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,680 The National Front, or the British Movement. 831 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,520 They saw a recruitment drive being able to take place, 832 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,160 because of the working class kids coming to our gigs. 833 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,680 # There's going to be a borstal breakout. # 834 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,480 Thank you. APPLAUSE AND CHEERING 835 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,800 Jimmy Pursey quickly found himself 836 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,040 being the unwilling icon of a resurgent right wing. 837 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,720 Once the press had said, 838 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,320 "National Front, British Movement, skinheads 839 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,800 "at this gig", 840 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,480 it invited them all to come. 841 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,640 So, of course, it's catch-22. 842 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,440 I was damned if I did, or damned if I didn't. 843 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,360 Jimmy Pursey was trying to lessen the angst 844 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,400 of what was happening to the white council house estate. 845 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,800 Leaning out into the audience and talking to these kids. 846 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,200 And saying you don't have to become racist 847 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,280 to handle what's going on. 848 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,640 There's another voice, another way of articulating this. 849 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,560 MUSIC: "If The Kids Are United" by Sham 69 850 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,040 It was the most emotional period. 851 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,000 Hell's Angels, punks, whatever. 852 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,280 Every different tribe was around me, 853 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,960 saying, "Jimmy, 854 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,640 "where are we going?" 855 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,440 # United! United! # 856 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,560 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 857 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,560 I'd never seen anything like it in my life before. 858 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,760 I'd never felt that emotion. 859 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,840 Harder, rougher and less art-school than the first wave, 860 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,560 it was arguably the second wave of punk bands 861 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,880 that truly reflected the sound of Britain's troubled streets 862 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,720 in '78. 863 00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:31,160 In Northern Ireland, groups like Stiff Little Fingers 864 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,400 were tapping back into punk's revolutionary rhetoric. 865 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,200 # An alternative Ulster 866 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,760 # Grab it, change it, it's yours 867 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,160 # Get an alternative Ulster 868 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,800 # Ignore the bores and their laws 869 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,520 # Get an alternative Ulster 870 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,120 # Be an anti-security force 871 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,760 # Alter your native Ulster 872 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,800 # Alter your native land. # 873 00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,520 The reality of life, it was just boring. 874 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,440 Bands wouldn't come and play. 875 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,800 They were either frightened to, or nobody thought to invite them. 876 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,240 The security forces at the time 877 00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:08,480 had a ring of gates and fences round the city centre, 878 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,880 which were locked from about six-thirty, seven on 879 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,480 in the evening. 880 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,440 A world away from the increasingly trendy London scene. 881 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,840 This wasn't rebellion for its own sake. 882 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,080 Punk in Northern Ireland made sense, 883 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,160 because kids had something very real to rebel against. 884 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,200 # They say you will never be free. # 885 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,320 It was all the kids 886 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,000 were going to concerts together, and clubs. 887 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,720 There was some meeting together. 888 00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:42,040 A good excuse for Catholics and Protestants to get together. 889 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,520 It was a huge explosion, 890 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,640 and everybody was playing at the same time. 891 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,920 From that point of view, 892 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,520 it probably did bring the communities together. 893 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,040 But it wasn't a conscious thing. 894 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,720 It was just simply that people wanted to go see those bands. 895 00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:03,600 # Alternative Ulster 896 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,960 # Go and get it now! # 897 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,000 APPLAUSE AND CHEERING 898 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,480 But there was a growing sense by 1978 899 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,560 that punk's nihilism and attitude 900 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,280 was becoming nothing more than a costume. 901 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,160 # Walking down the King's Road 902 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,240 # I see so many faces 903 00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,920 # They come from many places 904 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,800 # They come down for the day 905 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,320 # They walk around together 906 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,840 # And try and look trendy 907 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,280 # I think it's a shame 908 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,320 # That they all look the same. # 909 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,000 Is imitation the greatest form of flattery? 910 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,640 Is it? 911 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,240 It ain't. 912 00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,600 Punk had sort of outgrown itself, within a year, I thought. 913 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,520 I remember walking down the King's Road 914 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,400 and seeing all these stereotype punks 915 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,600 with their mad Mohicans and tartan kilts 916 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,720 and all that caper. 917 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:11,560 Doing photos with the American tourists. 918 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,320 I thought, "This ain't what it's supposed to be about." 919 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,920 # They heard John Peel play it Just the other night 920 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,040 # They'd like to buy the O Level single... # 921 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,120 The idea that you had to wear your Nazi armbands, 922 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,320 and follow the fashion. 923 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,840 To me, punk was about rejecting fashion. 924 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,080 You told me to go and look at the punk rock scene, 925 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,680 which I'm afraid I didn't know very much about. 926 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,560 There's a great piece of film of Derek Nimmo going into Seditionaries 927 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,520 to be kitted out as a punk rocker, 928 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,240 which I think sums it up a little bit. 929 00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:48,480 LAUGHTER 930 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,680 There was no escaping it. 931 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,680 Punk was becoming as orthodox 932 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,640 as the world it had set out to destroy. 933 00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,040 MUSIC: "Babylon's Burning" by The Ruts 934 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,280 # With anxiety 935 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,400 # Babylon's burning Babylon's burning 936 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,160 # With anxiety 937 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,280 # Babylon's burning Babylon's burning... # 938 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:15,120 You wear those clothes, and you drink snakebites, 939 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,280 and you vomit all over the place, 940 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,760 and you gob. 941 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,320 It was like, "Oh God, don't bring it down to this - to these rules." 942 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,800 I found it very disturbing, really, 943 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,680 because the whole ethos of punk was you did what you want. 944 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,040 The media cliche became an accepted cliche. 945 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,560 You forget that this isn't what we were doing. 946 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,760 We were trying to get rid of all that. 947 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,320 # Babylon's burning Babylon's burning 948 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:42,480 # Babylon's burning. # 949 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,920 Once something becomes easy to copy, 950 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,120 then it loses its power. 951 00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,600 In January of 1978, 952 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,840 at the height of their popularity, 953 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,840 the Sex Pistols pushed the self-destruct button. 954 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,360 Oh yes, the last Sex Pistols gig in San Francisco. 955 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,520 Yeah. 956 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,960 Funny how these things just... 957 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,720 trip off the end of your tongue. 958 00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:18,120 Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? 959 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,760 Good night. 960 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,440 CHEERING AND WHISTLING 961 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,560 I meant it. 962 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,920 I was so fed up with the idiocy of the management, 963 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,800 and the dissipation of the band. 964 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,000 For many, punk died the day the Pistols split up. 965 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,640 But, by pulling the plug, they neatly sidestepped a problem. 966 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,400 Punk was everywhere. It had taken centre stage, 967 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,600 and its oppositional stance was now unsustainable. 968 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,840 One of the great achievements of the punk movement 969 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,520 was to blow away some cobwebs. 970 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,720 It was a great kind of full stop. 971 00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:59,560 But you can't look at punk unless you understand 972 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,400 that its nihilism and its anarchy 973 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,800 was the seeds of its own destruction. 974 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,200 There was a feeling in the air of, "This is all going downhill." 975 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,600 By the end of '79, it wasn't fun. 976 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,280 I think if you're not having fun, you should stop. 977 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,560 The bands that remained faced a dilemma. 978 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,680 If punk was no longer rallying against the status quo, 979 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,520 then what should it do? 980 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,720 You only began to see light at the end of the tunnel 981 00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:36,640 when The Clash brought out London Calling, 982 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,720 and it's like, "Ah! We're free." 983 00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:40,680 You can actually embrace all the world is offering. 984 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,000 That was a milestone record. 985 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,520 Because it broke the shackles of punk rock. 986 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,600 # London calling 987 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,120 # To the faraway towns 988 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,400 # Now war is declared And battle come down 989 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,400 # London calling 990 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,440 # To the underworld 991 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,800 # Come out of the cupboard You boys and girls... # 992 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,200 There was a feeling that punk music 993 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,680 had really painted itself into this corner. 994 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,640 We were thinking along the lines of, 995 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,480 "It's about all music." 996 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,640 We were just playing all the music that we liked. 997 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,560 # Of that truncheon thing 998 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,400 # The ice age is coming The sun's zooming in 999 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,960 # Meltdown expected The wheat is growing thin 1000 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,840 # Engines stopped running but I have no fear 1001 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,080 # Cos London is drowning 1002 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,400 # I live by the river. # 1003 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,440 The Clash survived, 1004 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,800 because within the language of The Clash 1005 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,200 is this desire for change. 1006 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,000 But it wasn't just The Clash learning how to leave punk behind. 1007 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,640 # I'm down in the tube station at midnight 1008 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,440 # Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 1009 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,200 # I first felt a fist 1010 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,920 # And then a kick I could now smell their breath... # 1011 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,520 Things outstayed their welcome, didn't they? 1012 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,840 We took what we wanted, and what we thought we could use. 1013 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,840 And we did our own thing with it. 1014 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,160 # An amateur band rehearse in a nearby yard 1015 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,120 # Watching the telly and thinking 'bout your holidays 1016 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:27,960 # That's entertainment 1017 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,800 # Ah... # 1018 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,920 We learned to develop, really. 1019 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,160 It took us a couple of albums to do that. 1020 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:40,320 # Let's get together Before it's too late... # 1021 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,080 Some of punk's original class of '76 1022 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:47,920 were even beginning to carve out careers as bona fide pop stars. 1023 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,200 A lot of people that had served their apprenticeship 1024 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,720 in the punk rock era 1025 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:54,480 had learned a thing or two. 1026 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,760 I certainly did. 1027 00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:02,280 # So unlock the jukebox And do yourself a favour 1028 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,440 # That music's lost its taste 1029 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,240 # So try another flavour 1030 00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:09,160 # Ant music... # 1031 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,040 I certainly became a pop singer. 1032 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,160 Punk was over. 1033 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,560 My intention was to just to get this thing sounding, 1034 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,680 looking, different from everything else around me. 1035 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,160 MUSIC: "Hong Kong Garden" by Siouxsie & the Banshees 1036 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,280 # Harmful elements in the air 1037 00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,200 # Cymbals crashing everywhere 1038 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,000 # Reaps the fields of rice and reeds... # 1039 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,400 It's weird. My first reaction 1040 00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,400 to Hong Kong Garden - 1041 00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:38,800 when we first wrote it - 1042 00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,800 I just thought, "Ooh, it's too poppy." 1043 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,120 When I thought about it, I thought, 1044 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,840 "I love pop music." 1045 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,280 MUSIC: "Arabian Nights" by Siouxsie & the Banshees 1046 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,640 # They said I'd be impressed. 1047 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,000 # Arabian nights 1048 00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,400 # At your primitive best. # 1049 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,520 There are some curveballs 1050 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,240 within the realm of pop. 1051 00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:10,800 So really, it's a perfect 1052 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,880 platform for anything, really. 1053 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,360 MUSIC: "Your Generation" by Generation X 1054 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,160 # Well, that's your generation 1055 00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,680 # Oh yeah. 1056 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,760 # Time for generation... # 1057 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,120 We thought, "Let's use the radio. 1058 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,200 "Let's use the TV. Let's use the newspapers." 1059 00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,480 # Bring hell from above 1060 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,360 # Because in the midnight hour 1061 00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,520 # She cried, "More, more, more!" 1062 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,320 # With a rebel yell 1063 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,120 # She cried, "More, more, more!" # 1064 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,960 It certainly gave me a future. 1065 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,760 MUSIC: "Public Image" by Public Image Limited 1066 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,080 # Hello. Hello... # 1067 00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,920 In a little over two years, 1068 00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,560 punk had both torn down the walls of the establishment, 1069 00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,640 and imploded. But how would the generation of bands that followed 1070 00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:08,960 face the questions that had been thrown up post-punk? 1071 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,560 # You never listen to a word that I say 1072 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,840 # You only see me for the clothes that I wear 1073 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,280 # Or did the interest go so much deeper? 1074 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,800 # It must have been the colour of my hair 1075 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,960 # The public image. # 1076 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,760 # What you wanted was never made clear 1077 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,440 # Behind the image was ignorance and fear 1078 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,120 # You hide behind this public machine 1079 00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,920 # You still follow the same old scheme 1080 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,360 # Public image. # 79692

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