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- Welcome, welcome, welcome
to "Last Week Tonight."
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I'm John Oliver. Thank you
so much for joining us.
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It's been a busy week,
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from the US vetoing a ceasefire
in Gaza, yet again,
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to the revelation that
Joe Biden's dog
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bit Secret Service agents
at least 24 different times.
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But we're going to start in
West Virginia,
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which has spent
the past several weeks
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debating a bill to impose
criminal penalties
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for exposing children to
obscene literature
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in schools and libraries.
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The debate has featured
some spectacular testimony
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from concerned citizens
reading out
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material that they objected to.
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- "'Are you going to eat
her pussy?'
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'Yeah, I'm going to eat
her pussy.'
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'Hey, yeah. Do you even know
how to eat pussy?
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Papa Gaines never sat you down,
said 'son, one day,
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you're going to
have to eat the pussy?'
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'No, but he did teach me
how to eat a butthole.'"
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- Look.
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I admit, I don't remember that
scene from The Giving Tree,
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but it's been a while.
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And in retrospect,
it does make sense
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for the tree to
sit the boy down
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and explain how to rock
the box.
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It's an important lesson.
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But while that hearing was
clearly ridiculous,
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the law itself is serious.
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Violating it could carry
a felony charge
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with a penalty of $25,000
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and a sentence of
up to five years.
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Many have called it a book ban,
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although the bill's backers
push back on that,
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with one of the speakers who
supported it saying,
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"We are not banning or burning.
We are protecting."
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Although I'll tell you what
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you're definitely
not protecting.
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That is my ears from hearing
"eat the pussy" four times
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out of this woman's mouth.
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But while West Virginia
may not be burning books,
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obscenity bills and
similar moral panics
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are spreading around
the country
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in places like Missouri,
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where a candidate for office
released this video.
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- This is what I will do
to the grooming books
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when I become
secretary of state.
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- ♪ Let's go.
Welcome to the main event ♪
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♪ Applying pressure,
but I promise... ♪
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- These books come from
a Missouri Public Library.
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When I'm in office,
they will burn.
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- OK. So there is a lot
not to like there,
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including that her flamethrower
is apparently
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fueled by liberal tears,
which what?
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I'm not saying the GOP's
messaging is in disarray,
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but are liberal tears the thing
you love to drink
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because your enemy's sadness
tastes so sweet,
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or is it the deadly fuel for
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your very cool shark-themed
flamethrower?
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Because you've got to
pick a fucking lane there.
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But for now,
let's turn to Alabama,
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which has been reeling
after a major decision
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from its highest court.
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- This morning,
a first-of-its-kind decision
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by the Alabama Supreme Court
that could
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put families' access
to fertility treatments
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in the post-Roe era at risk.
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The court determining
frozen embryos
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qualify as people
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under its state law,
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ruling "unborn children are
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"children without exception
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based on developmental stage."
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- Yeah, they ruled
frozen embryos
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are the same as people,
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which is wrong for
a bunch of reasons.
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Mainly, if you freeze
an embryo, it's fine.
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If you freeze a person,
you have some explaining to do.
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Now, that ruling could have
massive implications
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for anyone who needs
IVF to conceive,
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and that is a lot of people.
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Around 2% of babies born
in the US are from IVF.
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Already multiple
fertility clinics
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have paused treatment in the
wake of this decision,
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which, as anyone who's ever
undergone IVF will tell you,
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isn't something
you can just do.
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IVF cycles take weeks
of careful monitoring
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and expensive treatments.
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You can't just hit pause
and wait out a court case.
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This is a seismic decision.
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And the reason the court
was hearing this case
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to begin with was pretty wild.
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- The case in question
involved a patient
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who managed to access
the freezer
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storing frozen embryos at
an Alabama fertility clinic.
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The patient picked up
multiple embryos
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and mistakenly dropped
and destroyed them.
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- Yet the court ruled that
the clinic could be sued
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for wrongful death.
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And while that accident
is genuinely horrible,
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someone wandering into a lab
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and dropping frozen embryos
just isn't murder.
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If anything,
it sounds like the script
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for a pretty tasteless Mr. Bean
sequel, but that is it.
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And look, the reason clinics
are pausing treatment
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right now is that nobody
quite knows what it could mean
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for an embryo to be legally
equivalent to a person
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going forward.
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What happens if an embryo
is stored improperly?
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What if they're,
as inevitably happens,
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left over or destroyed in
the implantation process?
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What about genetic testing,
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which can reduce
the risk of miscarriage,
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but does carry a slight risk of
damaging embryos?
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Would that now be considered
a wrongful death?
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It is chaos.
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And experts say that courts
in other states
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could try and issue
similar rulings.
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But none of this should be
that surprising.
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This ruling is a natural
outgrowth of the concept
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of fetal personhood,
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long pushed by hardline
anti-abortion groups,
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which Republicans have
spent decades courting.
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And some politicians
suddenly seem alarmed
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to have to deal with
the consequences of a movement
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that they have
actively empowered.
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Nikki Haley, for instance,
spent the week
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trying to reconcile
her position that,
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"when you're talking about
an embryo,
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you're talking about a life,"
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with what that actually means
in legal terms.
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Meanwhile watch as Alabama
Senator Tommy Tuberville
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seemed to realize the problems
with his position in real time.
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- Do you have a reaction to the
Alabama Supreme Court ruling
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on the fact that embryos
are children?
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- Yeah, I was all for it.
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We need to have more kids.
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We need to have an opportunity
to do that.
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And I thought this was
the right thing to do.
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- But IVF is used to
have more children.
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And right now,
IVF services are paused
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at some of the clinics
in Alabama.
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Aren't you concerned
that this could impact people
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who are trying to have kids?
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- Well, that's for--that's
for another conversation.
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- Well...
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that's a hard one.
It really is. It's really hard.
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Because again, you want people
to have that opportunity.
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And that's what I was telling
her, we need more kids.
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- Well, guess what, Tommy?
I got great news.
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Since your political philosophy
seems to begin and end with,
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we need more kids, you'll be
thrilled to know that,
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thanks to a judge in Alabama,
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there's now whole freezers
full of them.
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Go play with all those
frosty kids, senator.
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Or maybe that's not
what you had in mind
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when you think of children,
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which is exactly
the fucking point here.
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Republicans are in a tough spot
right now,
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trying to hold on to
hardline anti-abortion forces
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while not alienating
the majority of Americans.
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And maybe the best current
example of this
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is Donald Trump.
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He issued a statement this week
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that he strongly supports
"the availability of IVF
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for couples who are trying
to have a precious baby,"
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something he referred to as
the "ultimate joy in life,"
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all caps, exclamation mark.
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And it's incredible how even
objectively wholesome sentences
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take on an air of creepiness
when passed through
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the chaotic
Trump punctuation filter.
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Meanwhile, he's also been
privately floating
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a federal ban on abortion
at the 16-week mark,
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reportedly saying,
"know what I like about 16?
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It's even. It's four months."
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And I will say,
starting any sentence with,
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"you know what I like
about 16,"
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should be off limits for anyone
who has this many photos
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with Jeffrey Epstein.
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But while Trump might think 16
weeks is the reasonable option,
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which it isn't,
anti-abortion forces
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are hoping to use
a second Trump term
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to go much, much further.
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One tool they're apparently
eager to use
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is the Comstock Act,
an 1873 law that criminalizes
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the shipping of any materials
used in an abortion,
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including abortion pills,
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with one of Trump's lawyers
saying,
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"We don't need a federal ban
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when we have Comstock
on the books."
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It was one of the key pretexts
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in last year's mifepristone
ruling.
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And Lindsey Graham
actually cited Comstock
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when defending it.
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- The idea of
mailing the drug--
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sending the drug
through the mail
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runs into a statute
called the Comstock Act.
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- It's a very old statute
on the books.
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Do you believe that the Supreme
Court should use that
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as a way to ban
this abortion pill?
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- Well, I think it's the law
on the books.
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- Look, I guess it's not that
surprising that Graham's
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endorsement of a law boils
down to, "it's on the books,"
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given that "it's old
and it's there"
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basically sums up
Lindsey Graham at this point.
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He seems determined to stay in
the Senate
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until he can complete his
Animorph-style transformation
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into Beaker,
and he's getting close.
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He's only a couple
of steps away.
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But he's right.
The Comstock Act is
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technically on the books,
meaning a Trump administration
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or the judges he appoints
could try using it
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to restrict abortion
without going through Congress,
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which is both alarming and
something many pro-life figures
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are anxious to keep quiet
for now.
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That Trump lawyer
that I mentioned earlier
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even said of him,
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"I hope he doesn't know about
the existence of Comstock
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"because I just don't want him
to shoot off his mouth.
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"I think the pro-life groups
should keep their mouths shut
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as much as possible
until the election."
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But whenever they don't want
to talk about something,
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it's probably worth
you knowing about it.
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So for the record,
the Comstock Act
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is named after
Anthony Comstock,
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a 19th century anti-sex
crusader and postal inspector
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who was, and I quote,
a "chronic masturbator"
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who believed it was physically
harmful,
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so launched a crusade to stamp
out the transmission
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and transportation of
all obscene material."
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And imagine
jerking off so much,
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you make it a matter
of national security.
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The Comstock Act
forbade sending by mail
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"every obscene, lewd,
lascivious, indecent,
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filthy or vile article, matter,
thing, device, or substance,"
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as well as
"every article or thing
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designed, adapted or intended
for producing abortion."
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That is the clause
abortion opponents
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have been using
on Mifepristone.
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And they hope to expand it
to cover the shipping
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of literally anything
an abortion requires.
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So the Comstock Act is
a wild law
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pushed for by a deeply weird,
dangerously horny man
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that may soon be determining
all our reproductive freedoms.
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And it's worth noting
that Comstock was also a leader
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in the New York Society for the
Suppression of Vice,
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whose seal, fun fact,
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depicted someone burning books,
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which, to be fair,
conservatives don't do anymore.
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As we all know,
they use flamethrowers now.
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And that is the thing that ties
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everything I've just talked
about here together.
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There are politicians currently
desperately trying
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to distance themselves from
extreme policies
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that they have enabled.
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You can say, we're not trying
to ban or burn books,
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but that's what's happening.
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You can say,
we just want more kids,
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but you're making life
incredibly hard
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for people, including those
who desperately want them.
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Burning books and ending IVF
are the natural endpoints
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of the extreme policies
they've held hands with.
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And if they are not
at least willing
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to own those consequences,
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then they can, in the words of
what I believe to be
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this country's greatest
public speaker--
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- Eat a butthole.
- Well said.
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Well said, indeed.
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And now this.
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- And now,
more explicit readings
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from concerned citizens
at public meetings.
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- "The boy just talked soft to
her about how good she looked
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"and things like that.
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"And she grabbed his penis
with her hands
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and started moving it."
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- "It felt so good,
so fucking good.
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"I don't know how people
do anything but have sex
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if they are adults and don't
have school or parents."
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- "Billy was on top of
Valencia, making love to her.
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"While Billy was
making love to her,
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"Billy made a noise like
a small rusty hinge.
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He had just emptied his seminal
vesicles into Valencia."
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- "Now, before this,
I'd sucked my share of dicks
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"and had gotten plenty
of blowjobs, hand jobs,
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"every kind of job.
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"But the only butt sex I'd had
was with this junior
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who was in love with my cock,
and he just hopped aboard."
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- "And I pull and I suck
until he grows hard
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"and he makes sounds
that means he likes it.
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"And I keep going and going.
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"And when he says, 'I'm going
to cum,' I don't pull away.
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"The jet of him is warm
and salty
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and tastes like
thickened sweat."
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- "You can eat a girl out and
blow some air inside of her,
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or you can fuck her too hard."
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- "My only challenge is Brian,
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who is my jerk off friend
who likes to jerk me off."
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- "Son, I don't have time
for that.
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"I got, like, 20 pussies
over here that I need to eat.
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Is that right?
I'm on pussy deadline."
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- "I didn't have a hard-on
anymore.
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"That might sound weird to say.
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It's also fucking complicated
and tragic, and life sucks."
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I just want to mention,
I've never said the F word
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ever in my life before
until just now, so.
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♪ ♪
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- Moving on.
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Our main story tonight
concerns the internet.
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It can be a magical place
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but also one where things
aren't always what they seem,
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as this woman learned
the hard way.
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- Queen Shaydonna Hainsworth
thought she bought this,
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the Instagram ad
displaying a tree
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that fits in a living room,
not the palm of her hand.
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- Yo!
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[laughing] This is
our rainbow Christmas tree.
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Like, seriously?
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Like, who--
[laughs]
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who is responsible for this?
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- Yeah, it must be pretty
disappointing
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to order a full size tree
and get whatever that is.
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She must have felt like HBO did
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when they ordered a comedy show
and got this instead.
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Unfortunately, not every
mistake is that benign.
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It is not news that there are
scammers on the internet.
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But you may have noticed
that one scam in particular
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is currently everywhere.
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A common way that it starts is
with a weird text
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from a number that you don't
recognize, like,
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"Cheryl, can we move lunch
to 5," when you're not Cheryl
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or, "Dave, what time is
our flight,"
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when you're not Dave and you
don't have a flight booked.
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Even as we worked on
this piece,
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multiple members of our staff
and their friends
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were getting these messages
from,
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"Hello, is this the manager
Jesse from the flower shop?"
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to this one reading,
"Is this Dr. John?
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I'm Emily.
Is my horse recovering well?"
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And I'm so glad that wasn't
sent to me
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'cause it would have worked.
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You're calling me Dr. John?
I'm instantly on board.
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And you're assuming that
I'm around a horse
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for medical reasons?
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That's exactly what
I've been saying.
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I'm allowed to touch it
like that.
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I'm a doctor.
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And I know most people
ignore messages like those.
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But some write back,
get sucked into a conversation,
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and eventually, through
a process that we'll get into,
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can end up losing
a lot of money.
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It's a scam with
a striking name
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that newscasters can't seem
to get over.
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- It's called
a "pig butchering scam."
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And it might sound like
a gruesome name,
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but that's because the amount
of money victims are losing
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is painful.
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- The scammers have
a terrible term
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for what Wendy went through.
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They call it "pig butchering."
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- The New Mexico Securities
Division calls them
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"pig butchering scams."
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00:14:48,300 --> 00:14:50,133
I know, but listen,
don't worry.
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There are no pigs or
any other animals involved.
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- Yes, don't worry.
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There are no pigs harmed in
this pig butchering scam,
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although if the words
do make you squeamish,
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it's worth noting that
there is a process
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through which pigs
are harmed every day.
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It's actually how we get bacon,
pork and other products.
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It's called "pig butchering."
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And it's exactly
what it sounds like.
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But the name makes
a little more sense
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once you understand
how the scam actually works.
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- In the world of cyber and
counter-terrorism threats,
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Special Agent Hassani
has seen it all.
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But in 2021, he began seeing
a new scam, pig butchering.
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00:15:24,966 --> 00:15:28,333
- But it just refers to
raising little piglets,
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fattening them up,
and butchering them.
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They're fattening up
their victim with
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illusions of grandeur,
of wealth, of love,
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before bleeding them dry.
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- That is rough.
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Because imagine being
a victim of this scam,
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turning on the news,
and suddenly learning that
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the shorthand for people in
your situation is the pigs.
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Although I will say,
it could have been worse.
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Pigs are awesome.
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They're one of the most
intelligent animals
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on the planet.
They're smarter than dogs,
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most three-year-olds,
and Tom Sandoval.
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To use a phrase that the police
never seem to appreciate,
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it's actually an honor to
be compared to a pig.
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And if you are thinking, well,
this seems like
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the kind of scam that's been
around for decades,
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00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:09,466
that is partially true.
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But the way this one works
is fairly new.
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And in the short time
that it's been around,
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it's been massively successful.
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00:16:15,733 --> 00:16:17,366
Just this month, it was at
the center of
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00:16:17,433 --> 00:16:19,333
a huge local news story
in Kansas,
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where it brought down
a financial institution.
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00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:23,433
- I was surprised.
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00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:25,200
I was shocked.
I was disappointed.
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00:16:25,266 --> 00:16:28,200
- Kansas State Bank
Commissioner David Herndon is
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talking about the massive
cryptocurrency scam
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00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,665
at the Heartland Tri-State
Bank in Elkhart.
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- In a cryptocurrency scheme
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that the FBI has now referred
to as "pig butchering."
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- In this case,
Herndon says the victim
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was Sean Haynes,
the bank's own CEO.
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00:16:47,333 --> 00:16:52,233
And he's now facing charges of
embezzling nearly $50 million,
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a loss that caused the bank
to fail last August.
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00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,133
- That's true.
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According to prosecutors,
a bank CEO got pig butchered,
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sent his scammer the bank's
holdings,
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and the bank went under,
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which is alarming
for several reasons.
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Among them,
is that how banks work?
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Because it really feels like
there should be at least
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one step between
CEO gets tricked,
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and, whoops, the bank's empty.
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It's estimated that,
as of 2022,
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this scam was taking people
for more than $3 billion a year
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in the US alone.
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00:17:23,633 --> 00:17:26,000
And that's almost certainly
a massive undercount,
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as it only includes people
who reported their losses
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to the FBI.
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00:17:30,066 --> 00:17:31,533
So given all of that, tonight,
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00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,333
let's talk about
pig butchering,
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00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,333
why it's easier to fall for
then you might think,
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who's behind it, and what we
can do
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00:17:37,066 --> 00:17:39,400
to protect ourselves
and our liked ones
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from getting scammed
in the future.
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00:17:41,566 --> 00:17:43,700
And let's start with
where this began.
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And to do that, unfortunately,
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we do need to go back to the
place that no one wants to go,
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the beginning of COVID.
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00:17:49,633 --> 00:17:50,633
You remember COVID.
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00:17:50,700 --> 00:17:52,600
It's the Stephen Miller
of diseases,
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00:17:52,666 --> 00:17:54,700
in that we were
all very worried about it
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a few years ago and have
since moved on
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00:17:56,533 --> 00:17:59,366
even though it's still
extremely dangerous.
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00:17:59,433 --> 00:18:01,433
But that is when pig butchering
took off.
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00:18:01,533 --> 00:18:03,233
Basically,
at the start of COVID,
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many of us were isolated
and lonely,
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desperately looking for
human contact online,
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00:18:07,733 --> 00:18:09,700
which made us ripe targets.
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00:18:09,766 --> 00:18:12,700
At the same time,
organized crime groups in China
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running casinos in Southeast
Asia were in crisis
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as, thanks to the pandemic,
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gamblers weren't showing up.
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00:18:19,133 --> 00:18:21,866
So they turned those casinos
into bases
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for online scam operations.
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And from there, their workers
identified people
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00:18:26,366 --> 00:18:27,733
and preyed on
their vulnerabilities.
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And let me walk you through
the basic steps here.
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The first is to make contact
and lure your target in.
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Listen to this woman explain
how her scammer,
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who called himself Jimmy,
contacted her at a moment
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when she was dealing with
cancer, the pandemic,
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and the end of her marriage.
466
00:18:43,066 --> 00:18:47,633
- First message, it came as
a very innocent message.
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[soft pensive music]
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♪ ♪
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I said, "wrong number."
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♪ ♪
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He came back,
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"You look Chinese.
Are you Chinese?"
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And I said, yes.
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He had moved here
just before COVID.
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00:19:07,700 --> 00:19:11,400
And then COVID hit and so
he's not able to go home.
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00:19:11,466 --> 00:19:14,466
♪ ♪
477
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He was a--
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00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,766
[sighs]
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00:19:18,833 --> 00:19:23,866
A lonely man
in need of comfort.
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00:19:23,933 --> 00:19:26,366
Jimmy would message me
every day.
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I do remember receiving
these emojis with hearts.
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♪ ♪
483
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[heartbeat thumping]
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It's quite flattering
for a middle-aged woman
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to meet a young man
who finds you attractive.
486
00:19:42,533 --> 00:19:44,200
- Yeah, of course
that's flattering.
487
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Because scammers are
telling their targets
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what they want to hear most
in that moment.
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00:19:48,366 --> 00:19:52,000
We might not all fall for
a GIF of a heart-pumping emoji.
490
00:19:52,066 --> 00:19:55,233
But if someone sent me
nerd with glasses plus football
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plus learning plus statistics
equals fire emoji,
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me personally,
why, I would nut.
493
00:20:01,966 --> 00:20:05,533
And look, one way of making
contact
494
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,466
is through those wrong number
texts.
495
00:20:07,533 --> 00:20:08,733
But experts that
we've talked to
496
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,466
estimate that they only make up
about a quarter
497
00:20:11,533 --> 00:20:13,500
of the initial contacts
for this scam.
498
00:20:13,566 --> 00:20:15,933
The rest can come through
sites like LinkedIn,
499
00:20:16,033 --> 00:20:18,300
dating apps, Instagram,
or Facebook,
500
00:20:18,366 --> 00:20:20,300
places specifically designed
501
00:20:20,366 --> 00:20:22,333
for you to meet people
that you don't know,
502
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,166
either for love, a hookup, or,
in the case of LinkedIn,
503
00:20:25,233 --> 00:20:29,866
to find out what kind of person
is still on fucking LinkedIn.
504
00:20:29,933 --> 00:20:32,033
And scammers often research
their target
505
00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:33,066
using social media,
506
00:20:33,133 --> 00:20:35,266
where there is a lot of
information about people.
507
00:20:35,333 --> 00:20:38,166
So they can pretend to
have something in common.
508
00:20:38,233 --> 00:20:40,166
Take this woman who met
someone on a dating app,
509
00:20:40,233 --> 00:20:41,800
only to discover
that they shared
510
00:20:41,866 --> 00:20:43,533
an unexpected connection.
511
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,233
- He started asking questions
about my family
512
00:20:46,300 --> 00:20:48,400
and my past experiences.
513
00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:51,266
- It was a connection that
felt even stronger, she says,
514
00:20:51,333 --> 00:20:54,166
when he told her he came from
the same town in China
515
00:20:54,233 --> 00:20:56,333
from where Hutchinson
was adopted.
516
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,366
- We kind of bonded over that.
517
00:20:58,433 --> 00:20:59,900
- Yeah, I bet they did.
And I've got to say,
518
00:20:59,966 --> 00:21:01,900
it says something about men
on dating apps
519
00:21:01,966 --> 00:21:04,033
that they connected so well
simply because
520
00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:06,666
he did things like
ask her questions about herself
521
00:21:06,733 --> 00:21:08,733
and listen to her responses.
522
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,000
I don't want to say
the bar for men is low,
523
00:21:11,066 --> 00:21:12,333
but that story started with him
524
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,033
asking her questions
about her life
525
00:21:14,100 --> 00:21:17,200
and ends with her giving him
all of her money.
526
00:21:17,266 --> 00:21:18,733
But regardless of
how they start,
527
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,900
sooner or later, we move on
to step two,
528
00:21:20,966 --> 00:21:22,833
turning the conversation toward
money.
529
00:21:22,933 --> 00:21:25,566
But even then,
there's a smart twist.
530
00:21:25,633 --> 00:21:28,466
Because you won't be suddenly
asked to wire money
531
00:21:28,533 --> 00:21:31,366
to a Nigerian prince with
an obviously fake email
532
00:21:31,433 --> 00:21:34,366
like, RealPr1nce, spelled with
a "1" instead of an "I,"
533
00:21:34,433 --> 00:21:36,800
at scum dot farts.
534
00:21:36,866 --> 00:21:40,100
With pig butchering, there's
no direct ask for money at all.
535
00:21:40,166 --> 00:21:43,366
Instead, an opportunity
gets presented to you.
536
00:21:43,433 --> 00:21:44,933
Just watch as this man explains
the moment
537
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,000
when a guy that he met on a
dating site
538
00:21:47,066 --> 00:21:48,666
started to reel him in.
539
00:21:48,733 --> 00:21:51,766
- He spent at least
a month daily
540
00:21:51,833 --> 00:21:54,633
talking to me and
cultivating my friendship.
541
00:21:54,733 --> 00:21:56,466
- Initially, the only talk
about money
542
00:21:56,533 --> 00:22:00,133
was how much his new online
friend had made in crypto.
543
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,666
After all, Scott thought
he knew
544
00:22:01,733 --> 00:22:03,800
how to protect himself
from scams.
545
00:22:03,866 --> 00:22:06,100
- "You can invest with me, and
I'll make you all this money."
546
00:22:06,166 --> 00:22:08,066
And it's like,
I'm not giving you money.
547
00:22:08,133 --> 00:22:10,300
That's not happening.
548
00:22:10,366 --> 00:22:13,766
So that's when he started,
"no, you don't give it to me.
549
00:22:13,833 --> 00:22:16,033
You establish your own account,
and I'll guide you."
550
00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:18,566
- Right.
That's the clever hook here.
551
00:22:18,633 --> 00:22:20,466
You're not sending
the scammer money.
552
00:22:20,533 --> 00:22:23,400
They're helping you set up
and control your own account.
553
00:22:23,466 --> 00:22:25,200
And everything seems
more legitimate
554
00:22:25,266 --> 00:22:27,400
when there's an app involved.
You don't think so?
555
00:22:27,466 --> 00:22:29,266
When is the last time
you took an Uber?
556
00:22:29,366 --> 00:22:32,266
Oh, get in a nondescript car
with someone I've never met?
557
00:22:32,333 --> 00:22:33,500
I would never do that.
558
00:22:33,566 --> 00:22:36,366
But wait, what's this?
I can do it from my phone?
559
00:22:36,433 --> 00:22:38,333
Well, in that case,
here's my address.
560
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,833
Now you know where I live
and that I won't be home
561
00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:41,333
for the evening.
My name's John.
562
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,100
I don't know your last name,
but that doesn't matter
563
00:22:43,166 --> 00:22:45,166
because I'm also not
committing your face to memory.
564
00:22:45,233 --> 00:22:48,400
Everything's safe.
There's an app involved.
565
00:22:48,466 --> 00:22:50,933
And the fact the investment
is often in crypto
566
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,033
can be persuasive
for multiple reasons.
567
00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:56,066
First, who really knows
how crypto works?
568
00:22:56,133 --> 00:22:58,433
I know your friend's weird
husband claims that he does,
569
00:22:58,500 --> 00:22:59,466
but he sucks to talk to.
570
00:22:59,533 --> 00:23:03,000
So sadly,
it must remain a mystery.
571
00:23:03,100 --> 00:23:05,600
But people have made money
on crypto.
572
00:23:05,666 --> 00:23:07,333
So it's not unreasonable
to think
573
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,933
you might meet one of them
574
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,266
and they could give you
some tips, on top of which
575
00:23:11,333 --> 00:23:12,766
you may not be super familiar
576
00:23:12,833 --> 00:23:14,233
with how a trading platform
operates
577
00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:15,966
or even what one looks like.
578
00:23:16,033 --> 00:23:17,266
And scammers have created
579
00:23:17,333 --> 00:23:19,700
incredibly plausible-looking
platforms.
580
00:23:19,766 --> 00:23:21,166
We got this footage of one,
581
00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:23,033
which seems to have
all the detail
582
00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:25,033
and functionality
of a real one.
583
00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:28,233
And I'll be honest,
I could be fooled by that.
584
00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:31,066
Also, some scammers use
legitimate apps
585
00:23:31,133 --> 00:23:33,466
that allow anyone to build
a trading exchange.
586
00:23:33,533 --> 00:23:35,866
The problem is there are tools
that scammers can use
587
00:23:35,966 --> 00:23:38,900
to simulate fake results
on those apps
588
00:23:38,966 --> 00:23:39,933
while taking your money.
589
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,400
Just watch this journalist
explain how this gave
590
00:23:42,466 --> 00:23:44,533
one victim false confidence.
591
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,900
- In MetaTrader,
it looks just like
592
00:23:46,966 --> 00:23:50,400
any kind of normal trading
interface that one would use.
593
00:23:50,466 --> 00:23:52,000
It's available in
the Google Play Store.
594
00:23:52,066 --> 00:23:53,666
It's available in
the Apple App Store.
595
00:23:53,733 --> 00:23:56,400
It's an app that has
a lot of good ratings.
596
00:23:56,466 --> 00:23:59,000
And that was one of the things
that made Cy think that
597
00:23:59,066 --> 00:24:00,900
this whole operation
was legitimate.
598
00:24:00,966 --> 00:24:04,500
He believed that his
investment was making money.
599
00:24:04,566 --> 00:24:07,500
If you're trading on a
legitimate trading interface,
600
00:24:07,566 --> 00:24:10,500
you see the profits and losses
over time.
601
00:24:10,566 --> 00:24:12,300
And this is exactly
what he saw.
602
00:24:12,366 --> 00:24:15,300
- Right. If your friend told
you to download an app
603
00:24:15,366 --> 00:24:17,800
and you saw it in the
App Store with good reviews,
604
00:24:17,866 --> 00:24:20,300
you might assume everything
on it was legitimate,
605
00:24:20,366 --> 00:24:22,300
even before you saw
MetaTrader's logo,
606
00:24:22,366 --> 00:24:23,966
which looks like
three men in suits
607
00:24:24,033 --> 00:24:26,300
jerking each other off
under a table--
608
00:24:26,366 --> 00:24:28,433
an appropriate metaphor
for cryptocurrency
609
00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:31,200
if I have ever seen one.
610
00:24:31,266 --> 00:24:33,200
Some scammers even set up
additional features
611
00:24:33,266 --> 00:24:35,166
like two-factor authentication
612
00:24:35,233 --> 00:24:36,966
or customer service lines.
613
00:24:37,033 --> 00:24:39,300
This woman tried her best
to do due diligence
614
00:24:39,366 --> 00:24:40,700
on the site that she was sent
615
00:24:40,766 --> 00:24:43,466
and came away convinced
that it was real.
616
00:24:43,566 --> 00:24:46,833
- There was a legal secretary
involved in another state,
617
00:24:46,900 --> 00:24:49,066
vouching association
with a law firm
618
00:24:49,133 --> 00:24:50,566
where it was sending money to.
619
00:24:50,633 --> 00:24:52,300
She's real. I could verify her.
620
00:24:52,366 --> 00:24:56,333
So it was very complex
and well rehearsed.
621
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,666
- She spoke with a legal
secretary and a law firm
622
00:24:59,733 --> 00:25:00,700
before sending money.
623
00:25:00,766 --> 00:25:02,266
And that is more vetting than
I've done
624
00:25:02,333 --> 00:25:03,800
for my kids' daycare.
625
00:25:03,866 --> 00:25:05,966
Look, I love them and
they're very precious to me,
626
00:25:06,033 --> 00:25:08,566
but they're also loud, sticky,
and one of them is just getting
627
00:25:08,633 --> 00:25:09,866
stronger and stronger
every day.
628
00:25:09,933 --> 00:25:12,133
So if you have
a building with walls
629
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,933
and a phone number
that I can call, I trust you.
630
00:25:15,033 --> 00:25:17,133
Take them for the afternoon.
631
00:25:17,233 --> 00:25:18,600
And at this point
in the process,
632
00:25:18,666 --> 00:25:21,000
things might look pretty good
for the people getting scammed.
633
00:25:21,066 --> 00:25:23,900
You've sent a bit of money to
a legitimate looking site
634
00:25:23,966 --> 00:25:25,600
through an account
that you control.
635
00:25:25,666 --> 00:25:28,366
And your new friends' trading
tips seem to be working,
636
00:25:28,433 --> 00:25:30,333
so maybe you send
a little bit more.
637
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,833
And pretty soon, you might have
a fair amount of money
638
00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:34,933
tied up on this trading
platform.
639
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,333
But when you eventually
go to withdraw it,
640
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,900
that is where we hit
the final step of this process.
641
00:25:39,966 --> 00:25:41,100
Remember that woman you saw
earlier
642
00:25:41,166 --> 00:25:43,633
whose online friend claimed
that he was from the same town
643
00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:44,900
where she was born?
644
00:25:44,966 --> 00:25:47,700
Well, she'd convinced her dad
to invest as well.
645
00:25:47,766 --> 00:25:49,866
They'd seemingly made
a bunch of money,
646
00:25:49,933 --> 00:25:51,400
and then this happened.
647
00:25:51,466 --> 00:25:54,433
- By December, their accounts
showed a combined balance
648
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:56,633
of $1.2 million.
649
00:25:56,700 --> 00:26:00,033
And Hutchinson decided
it was time to cash out.
650
00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:01,700
That's when the site told her,
651
00:26:01,766 --> 00:26:03,400
before she could withdraw
her money,
652
00:26:03,466 --> 00:26:08,666
she'd have to pay a hefty
tax bill of roughly $380,000.
653
00:26:08,733 --> 00:26:11,100
- That's when I was like,
something's not right.
654
00:26:11,166 --> 00:26:12,133
- It wasn't.
655
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,066
The cryptocurrency investments
weren't real.
656
00:26:15,133 --> 00:26:16,800
All her and her father's funds
657
00:26:16,866 --> 00:26:19,033
had gone into
the scammers' pockets.
658
00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:22,800
In all, $390,000 stolen.
659
00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:26,833
- I messed up my life.
I messed up my dad's life.
660
00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:29,766
- She told me
that it was all a scam.
661
00:26:29,833 --> 00:26:31,466
- Hutchinson's father, Melvin.
662
00:26:31,533 --> 00:26:36,033
- And all I could do was just
hug her and tell her it's OK.
663
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:38,433
[sobbing]
It's OK.
664
00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:40,800
And it was hard.
665
00:26:40,866 --> 00:26:43,400
It was hard because
we lost everything.
666
00:26:43,466 --> 00:26:45,566
- Yeah.
Their money had already gone.
667
00:26:45,633 --> 00:26:47,666
And that tax bill was
just an attempt
668
00:26:47,733 --> 00:26:49,700
to squeeze them one last time.
669
00:26:49,766 --> 00:26:51,666
And theirs isn't
the only brutal story here.
670
00:26:51,733 --> 00:26:54,633
This woman lost $350,000.
671
00:26:54,733 --> 00:26:56,833
This guy lost $300,000.
672
00:26:56,933 --> 00:27:00,966
And that woman who fell for
Jimmy sent him $2.5 million
673
00:27:01,033 --> 00:27:03,166
as she was dealing with
terminal cancer.
674
00:27:03,233 --> 00:27:05,433
It is traumatic and
it's humiliating.
675
00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:08,533
And it took courage for
those people to come forward.
676
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,366
And that is partly why experts
think the $3 billion figure
677
00:27:11,433 --> 00:27:12,900
that we have is way too low
678
00:27:12,966 --> 00:27:15,200
because most people who've been
scammed like this
679
00:27:15,266 --> 00:27:18,166
simply don't report their
losses out of embarrassment.
680
00:27:18,233 --> 00:27:20,366
And at this point,
you're probably furious
681
00:27:20,433 --> 00:27:21,500
with the people on
the other end
682
00:27:21,566 --> 00:27:23,500
of all of these messages
and want to see them taken down
683
00:27:23,566 --> 00:27:25,933
or, at the very least,
fucked with.
684
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,266
And that does happen a lot.
685
00:27:28,333 --> 00:27:31,066
People post screengrabs messing
with scammers all the time,
686
00:27:31,133 --> 00:27:32,766
like in this exchange,
where someone replies
687
00:27:32,833 --> 00:27:34,800
to wrong number text with,
688
00:27:34,866 --> 00:27:37,266
"My name is Inigo Montoya,"
and,
689
00:27:37,333 --> 00:27:39,166
"you don't by any chance have
six fingers
690
00:27:39,233 --> 00:27:41,266
on your right hand, do you?"
691
00:27:41,333 --> 00:27:42,566
Or this one where
a scammer writes,
692
00:27:42,633 --> 00:27:44,266
"I'm Sarah, nice to meet you,"
with a picture.
693
00:27:44,333 --> 00:27:47,400
And gets the reply,
"Weewee weewoo boner alert."
694
00:27:47,466 --> 00:27:48,700
Look.
695
00:27:48,766 --> 00:27:50,100
Look, I'll be honest.
696
00:27:50,166 --> 00:27:52,500
That doesn't seem like
the right sound to me.
697
00:27:52,566 --> 00:27:54,100
That's not what--I probably
would have gone with,
698
00:27:54,166 --> 00:27:55,900
awooga, awooga, boner alert,
699
00:27:55,966 --> 00:27:57,533
but reasonable people
can disagree.
700
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,633
All bodies are different.
701
00:27:58,700 --> 00:28:02,566
There's no one right sound
for a boner alert.
702
00:28:02,666 --> 00:28:04,200
But here's the thing:
703
00:28:04,266 --> 00:28:06,566
as cathartic as that might be,
704
00:28:06,633 --> 00:28:08,933
the person on the other end
of that phone
705
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,333
might not be the one
you should be mad at.
706
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,400
Because remember when I said
that this would be done
707
00:28:13,466 --> 00:28:16,500
in former casinos by organized
crime syndicates?
708
00:28:16,566 --> 00:28:18,800
It turns out,
they're not great bosses.
709
00:28:18,866 --> 00:28:21,866
- This compound is where
an Indian man named Rakesh
710
00:28:21,933 --> 00:28:23,133
says he was forced to work
711
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,833
for more than 11 months
without pay
712
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:27,133
for a Chinese criminal gang.
713
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,033
Rakesh, who doesn't want to be
identified,
714
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:31,766
says he first flew to Thailand
715
00:28:31,833 --> 00:28:34,100
for what he thought was
an IT job.
716
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,900
Instead he says he was tricked
717
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,466
into crossing the border
to Myanmar,
718
00:28:38,533 --> 00:28:42,266
where a Chinese gangster
told him to work or else.
719
00:28:42,333 --> 00:28:44,233
He threatened to kill you?
720
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:46,666
- And the job?
721
00:28:46,733 --> 00:28:49,733
Spend 16 hours a day on
social media
722
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,866
targeting Americans with
a fake profile.
723
00:28:52,933 --> 00:28:54,400
- That is awful.
724
00:28:54,466 --> 00:28:57,933
No one should be forced
to spend 16 hours a day
725
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,033
on social media.
726
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:00,900
You should do it either
because you love it
727
00:29:00,966 --> 00:29:02,400
or because you are 15 years old
728
00:29:02,466 --> 00:29:04,333
and the algorithm has addicted
you to it--
729
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,266
you know,
completely normal reasons.
730
00:29:07,333 --> 00:29:09,366
A lot of these organizations
are using people
731
00:29:09,466 --> 00:29:10,866
who've been human trafficked
732
00:29:10,933 --> 00:29:12,833
after being lured to
the compounds
733
00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:13,933
under false pretenses.
734
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,700
They are actually the victims
of a scam themselves.
735
00:29:16,766 --> 00:29:19,833
Basically, they might see
job ads for skilled positions
736
00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:21,833
as translators
or IT specialists
737
00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:22,866
in another country.
738
00:29:22,933 --> 00:29:25,200
They then go through
a whole application process,
739
00:29:25,266 --> 00:29:28,333
with some going through up to
four seemingly legitimate
740
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,300
online interviews,
and fly to their new job,
741
00:29:31,366 --> 00:29:32,600
at which point
they suddenly learn
742
00:29:32,666 --> 00:29:34,766
their new bosses have
their documents
743
00:29:34,833 --> 00:29:36,566
and they now can't leave.
744
00:29:36,633 --> 00:29:39,266
Back in 2022,
ProPublica estimated that
745
00:29:39,333 --> 00:29:41,366
tens of thousands of people
746
00:29:41,466 --> 00:29:42,733
have been tricked in this way.
747
00:29:42,833 --> 00:29:45,000
And a more recent UN report
estimated that
748
00:29:45,066 --> 00:29:47,200
hundreds of thousands of people
749
00:29:47,266 --> 00:29:49,100
have been forcibly engaged
in this scheme.
750
00:29:49,166 --> 00:29:53,100
They also say most victims are
confined to the scam compound,
751
00:29:53,166 --> 00:29:54,700
and their screens are
always monitored
752
00:29:54,766 --> 00:29:56,833
by the members of
the organized crime group.
753
00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:59,633
And once they are in, they are
provided fake profiles
754
00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:01,700
to try and hook people in with.
755
00:30:01,766 --> 00:30:04,833
Here is who Rakesh found
himself being all day.
756
00:30:10,033 --> 00:30:12,466
- Posing as a Salt Lake
City-based investor
757
00:30:12,533 --> 00:30:14,633
named Klara Semonov,
758
00:30:14,733 --> 00:30:17,666
Rakesh flirted online
with potential targets.
759
00:30:21,533 --> 00:30:23,733
- Yeah,
Rakesh was Klara Semonov
760
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:24,900
from Salt Lake City.
761
00:30:24,966 --> 00:30:26,600
So before we go any further,
762
00:30:26,666 --> 00:30:29,500
anyone who thinks that
they are dating Klara,
763
00:30:29,566 --> 00:30:31,600
I'm afraid you are not.
764
00:30:31,666 --> 00:30:33,000
The relationship is over.
765
00:30:33,066 --> 00:30:35,300
It's not you,
but it's also not her.
766
00:30:35,366 --> 00:30:36,766
It's Rakesh.
767
00:30:36,833 --> 00:30:38,200
But also, it isn't him.
768
00:30:38,266 --> 00:30:41,233
It's Rakesh's boss
who won't let him leave.
769
00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:43,400
The whole operation
is highly organized
770
00:30:43,466 --> 00:30:46,133
and set up to get around
the usual ways
771
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,266
that you might detect a scam.
772
00:30:47,333 --> 00:30:48,800
For instance,
some organizations
773
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:51,300
generate their own photos
for the profile
774
00:30:51,366 --> 00:30:54,066
so that they can't be
reverse image searched.
775
00:30:54,133 --> 00:30:55,766
And employees are given manuals
like these
776
00:30:55,833 --> 00:30:58,533
that guide them through
every step of the process.
777
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,466
They're told to target people
who look wealthy
778
00:31:00,533 --> 00:31:01,566
and successful.
779
00:31:01,633 --> 00:31:04,533
One advises, on the first day,
talk about things like
780
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,100
your name, age,
occupation and hobbies.
781
00:31:07,166 --> 00:31:09,633
Then the next day, talk about
your emotional experience
782
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:12,333
with a message divided
into two paragraphs.
783
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,566
And then on the third day,
784
00:31:13,633 --> 00:31:15,866
talk about your entrepreneurial
experience.
785
00:31:15,933 --> 00:31:18,033
They're even given tips
on how to break down
786
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:19,466
people's defenses.
787
00:31:19,533 --> 00:31:22,466
- We reviewed several of
these manuals,
788
00:31:22,566 --> 00:31:23,833
and they carefully explain
789
00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:26,533
how to build trust
and exploit weaknesses
790
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,833
in their so-called client,
such as--
791
00:31:34,133 --> 00:31:37,266
- You know, the chilling thing
is that's kind of true.
792
00:31:37,333 --> 00:31:38,266
If you're funny enough,
793
00:31:38,333 --> 00:31:39,866
you can make people forget
a lot of things,
794
00:31:39,933 --> 00:31:42,266
whether it's common sense
internet safeguards,
795
00:31:42,333 --> 00:31:44,200
lessons from
previous relationships,
796
00:31:44,266 --> 00:31:45,766
or that they've been
accidentally learning about
797
00:31:45,833 --> 00:31:47,633
financial fraud
and human trafficking
798
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:49,233
for the last 20 minutes.
799
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:51,500
We're having fun, aren't we?
800
00:31:51,566 --> 00:31:53,366
And if you're thinking,
well, why don't authorities
801
00:31:53,433 --> 00:31:55,366
just shut these compounds down?
802
00:31:55,466 --> 00:31:57,266
Sometimes they're in on it.
803
00:31:57,333 --> 00:31:58,400
Here is one man
who was trafficked
804
00:31:58,466 --> 00:31:59,866
to a scam center in Cambodia,
805
00:31:59,933 --> 00:32:03,033
explaining what happened
when he did the obvious thing.
806
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:05,200
- On his second day
in captivity,
807
00:32:05,266 --> 00:32:07,600
Liu emailed
the Chinese Embassy.
808
00:32:07,666 --> 00:32:10,133
He was advised to call
the Sihanoukville police.
809
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,500
But the police never came.
810
00:32:13,666 --> 00:32:16,100
- The property management
came instead.
811
00:32:16,166 --> 00:32:18,000
They knew that
I'd called the police.
812
00:32:20,066 --> 00:32:22,133
- Liu says the managers
then sold him to
813
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,866
another scamming company.
814
00:32:25,633 --> 00:32:28,100
- He said,
because I called the police,
815
00:32:28,166 --> 00:32:29,966
they had to take care of
the police
816
00:32:30,033 --> 00:32:31,700
with at least $4,000
817
00:32:31,766 --> 00:32:33,800
and I had to pay for that, too.
818
00:32:33,866 --> 00:32:36,266
- Yeah, the authorities
weren't going to help him,
819
00:32:36,333 --> 00:32:38,200
which actually makes sense
when you learn
820
00:32:38,266 --> 00:32:39,500
that according to UN estimates,
821
00:32:39,566 --> 00:32:41,866
pig butchering in Cambodia
brings in an amount
822
00:32:41,933 --> 00:32:45,033
equivalent to
half the country's GDP,
823
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:47,500
which is worrisome because,
as everyone knows,
824
00:32:47,566 --> 00:32:49,633
when something generates
that much money,
825
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:50,933
you don't shut it down.
826
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,300
You spin it off and pray
the magic works a second time.
827
00:32:54,366 --> 00:32:56,266
Come on.
828
00:32:56,333 --> 00:32:58,366
And conditions in these
compounds can be brutal.
829
00:32:58,433 --> 00:32:59,566
That man you saw
earlier, Rakesh,
830
00:32:59,633 --> 00:33:01,600
took photos of abuse
like this one,
831
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:03,333
of a co-worker
who'd been beaten.
832
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,266
And Liu, who managed to get
out, now works to free others.
833
00:33:06,333 --> 00:33:09,333
And the stories of what
he's seen are--fair warning--
834
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,666
hard to watch.
835
00:33:12,366 --> 00:33:15,433
- I saw a man get beaten up
very badly.
836
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:18,166
He had injuries all over
his body.
837
00:33:18,233 --> 00:33:20,100
- Liu contends it was this man
838
00:33:20,166 --> 00:33:23,800
who was reportedly found
hanging just hours later.
839
00:33:23,866 --> 00:33:24,900
- I'm certain it was him.
840
00:33:24,966 --> 00:33:26,666
- His phone is
full of messages
841
00:33:26,733 --> 00:33:28,233
from Chinese citizens,
842
00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:30,700
desperate to be freed
from scam companies.
843
00:33:30,766 --> 00:33:33,133
There's videos of abuse.
844
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,600
Liu says he receives them
directly from victims
845
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:37,466
inside the scam industry
846
00:33:37,533 --> 00:33:40,400
or finds them posted
in social media group chats.
847
00:33:40,466 --> 00:33:42,466
And he's got handcuffs.
848
00:33:42,533 --> 00:33:44,200
They're shocking.
849
00:33:44,266 --> 00:33:46,966
- That is horrifying.
And when you know all of this,
850
00:33:47,033 --> 00:33:50,633
it kind of starts to change
who exactly you are mad at here
851
00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:52,033
because, suddenly,
the individuals on
852
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:53,900
the other end of the phone
853
00:33:53,966 --> 00:33:56,500
don't seem quite so fun
to send a message of
854
00:33:56,566 --> 00:33:59,100
"weewoo weewoo boner alert" to.
855
00:33:59,166 --> 00:34:01,066
Not that that isn't
an excellent text.
856
00:34:01,133 --> 00:34:03,433
Who doesn't love a boner alert?
857
00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:06,200
But there's a time and a place,
and this might not be it.
858
00:34:06,266 --> 00:34:08,733
Also, from now on,
whenever you get a sexy text
859
00:34:08,833 --> 00:34:11,500
from a new stranger,
good luck not thinking,
860
00:34:11,565 --> 00:34:12,966
is this a man who
was just beaten
861
00:34:13,033 --> 00:34:14,466
in a work camp in Myanmar?
862
00:34:14,533 --> 00:34:17,366
And that, if anything,
is the John Oliver effect.
863
00:34:17,433 --> 00:34:19,766
You are welcome.
864
00:34:19,833 --> 00:34:23,500
And look, I can't say that
every scammer
865
00:34:23,565 --> 00:34:25,733
is someone who was kidnapped,
tortured, and forced to do it.
866
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,065
But even if not everyone
who's doing this
867
00:34:28,132 --> 00:34:29,866
is trapped or coerced,
868
00:34:29,933 --> 00:34:31,733
the very fact that many are
869
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,000
is still a huge problem.
870
00:34:33,065 --> 00:34:34,533
So what can we do here?
871
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,199
Well, when it comes to those
imprisoned in these compounds,
872
00:34:38,266 --> 00:34:39,733
that's going to take
collaboration between
873
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:40,866
international law enforcement.
874
00:34:40,933 --> 00:34:43,266
So unless you are
the head of Interpol,
875
00:34:43,333 --> 00:34:45,033
which I'm guessing you are not,
876
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,266
there's not much
you personally can do.
877
00:34:47,333 --> 00:34:50,166
In this country, I'd argue that
platforms like these
878
00:34:50,233 --> 00:34:52,565
should be doing way more
to prevent the creation
879
00:34:52,632 --> 00:34:54,233
of fake accounts
to target people
880
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:56,166
because it's happening
on their watch.
881
00:34:56,233 --> 00:34:58,933
But the truth is,
perhaps the most effective way
882
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,400
to stop this from happening
883
00:35:00,466 --> 00:35:02,133
is to make it less lucrative
884
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,533
by having fewer people
fall for it.
885
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,433
And that is where awareness
of this scam is key.
886
00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:11,000
This is one of those rare cases
where raising awareness
887
00:35:11,066 --> 00:35:13,466
is in itself genuinely useful.
888
00:35:13,533 --> 00:35:15,100
Because hopefully
you've seen tonight,
889
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,766
this could happen
to someone you know.
890
00:35:16,866 --> 00:35:18,633
This hasn't just sucked in
old people
891
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:20,400
or those who aren't tech savvy.
892
00:35:20,466 --> 00:35:23,333
It managed to reel in
a bank CEO.
893
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,800
Everyone has an image of
the type of person
894
00:35:25,866 --> 00:35:27,933
who is susceptible to getting
scammed in their heads.
895
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,766
But unless that image is
a mirror, you might be wrong.
896
00:35:31,833 --> 00:35:34,333
So as a general rule,
when a stranger on a dating app
897
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,633
says either "I love you"
or "crypto"
898
00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:39,633
within a month of
talking to you, worry.
899
00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:41,933
Honestly, even if they don't
turn out to be scammers,
900
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,166
those are pretty good red flags
901
00:35:43,233 --> 00:35:46,100
to be looking for,
personality-wise.
902
00:35:46,166 --> 00:35:48,400
And it's worth telling
your friends and family
903
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:49,633
about pig butchering too.
904
00:35:49,733 --> 00:35:51,600
It doesn't have to be
a big lecture or anything.
905
00:35:51,666 --> 00:35:53,933
You can just send them
a link to this show.
906
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,933
And if they say,
"I hate that guy,"
907
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,100
say, "yeah, me too.
He's the worst.
908
00:35:58,166 --> 00:35:59,400
Just skip past the jokes."
909
00:35:59,466 --> 00:36:00,966
And if they say,
"I'll watch it,
910
00:36:01,033 --> 00:36:02,900
but he looks like
a LEGO accountant,"
911
00:36:02,966 --> 00:36:05,500
"wait, no, he looks like
ChatGPTs answer to,
912
00:36:05,566 --> 00:36:06,933
'show me a virgin,'"
913
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,100
"wait, no, he looks like
Harry Potter if he just
914
00:36:09,166 --> 00:36:12,600
stayed under the stairs,"
just leave them on read.
915
00:36:12,666 --> 00:36:15,300
You don't have to
completely sell me out.
916
00:36:15,366 --> 00:36:19,133
Maybe drop a thumbs up emoji,
but please, leave it at that.
917
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,566
And look, if you know someone
who's been scammed like this,
918
00:36:22,633 --> 00:36:24,000
try to be kind.
919
00:36:24,066 --> 00:36:26,066
It is human to
want companionship.
920
00:36:26,133 --> 00:36:27,766
And it's actually
a nice quality
921
00:36:27,833 --> 00:36:29,266
to be trusting of people.
922
00:36:29,333 --> 00:36:30,700
And it sucks that the internet,
923
00:36:30,766 --> 00:36:33,033
which should be a way
to alleviate loneliness,
924
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:34,766
can be turned into a tool
to exploit it.
925
00:36:34,833 --> 00:36:38,000
But maybe, if we all look out
for one another,
926
00:36:38,066 --> 00:36:40,266
we can ensure that the worst
mistake anyone ever makes
927
00:36:40,333 --> 00:36:42,233
on the internet is
inadvertently buying
928
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:45,000
an excellent Christmas tree
for gay mice.
929
00:36:45,066 --> 00:36:47,733
Because honestly, it's really
not that bad a purchase.
930
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,433
Believe me,
931
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:51,933
I know what I'm talking about.
932
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,066
Now this.
933
00:36:54,433 --> 00:36:57,133
- And now, local news loses it
934
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,266
over Major League Baseball's
new pants.
935
00:37:00,333 --> 00:37:01,500
- Major League Baseball
introduced
936
00:37:01,566 --> 00:37:03,366
new uniforms this year,
but there's a problem.
937
00:37:03,433 --> 00:37:05,233
The pants are made of
thinner fabric,
938
00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:07,933
making them
almost see through, Chris.
939
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,233
- Wait, what?
- Mm-hm.
940
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:11,133
Now photos all over--
- You've got my attention.
941
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,400
I'm listening.
- [chuckles]
942
00:37:12,466 --> 00:37:14,666
Luckily, the tucked-in shirts
keeping things covered.
943
00:37:14,733 --> 00:37:16,400
Look at him and his hands.
[gasps]
944
00:37:16,466 --> 00:37:17,766
- They're definitely
see-through, right?
945
00:37:17,833 --> 00:37:19,866
You could see the little tags.
- Well, we saw it.
946
00:37:19,933 --> 00:37:21,366
That's for sure.
- What's "it"?
947
00:37:21,433 --> 00:37:22,800
Oh--
- The--
948
00:37:22,866 --> 00:37:25,333
- [laughs]
Steve! Wow.
949
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,900
- We--we saw--
- We can go to weather now.
950
00:37:27,966 --> 00:37:30,500
- Does he look happy
wearing them? No.
951
00:37:30,566 --> 00:37:32,333
He looks happy wearing them.
952
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,533
- Do you see the problem,
though?
953
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:34,666
- I don't think girls are
saying
954
00:37:34,733 --> 00:37:36,000
there's a problem there.
- [laughs]
955
00:37:36,066 --> 00:37:37,100
- The players, I think,
probably have
956
00:37:37,166 --> 00:37:38,466
an issue with it.
- Oh.
957
00:37:38,533 --> 00:37:40,933
- Now if I've got patterns
on my boxer briefs,
958
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,400
everyone's going to see that?
- I don't know.
959
00:37:42,466 --> 00:37:44,133
I'm suddenly very interested
in baseball.
960
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,533
- Bianca is on her elbows
on the desk here.
961
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:47,833
- Can we zoom in to
these photos
962
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:48,966
a little bit more?
- Stop it!
963
00:37:49,033 --> 00:37:50,766
- I can't tell 'cause
I have bad eyes.
964
00:37:50,833 --> 00:37:52,466
- You can see the shirt
tucked in.
965
00:37:52,533 --> 00:37:53,733
- [laughs] OK.
966
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,033
- Maybe these uniforms
will get more women
967
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:59,433
that aren't watching baseball
already to watch baseball.
968
00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:01,866
- You've got Derica's interest.
- That's what I said.
969
00:38:01,933 --> 00:38:04,133
- She's googling over here.
I'm like--
970
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,200
- [laughs] Right?
971
00:38:05,266 --> 00:38:06,433
- It's a good
recruiting device.
972
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:07,633
- Yes, it is.
973
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:09,000
- I see nothing wrong
with the pants.
974
00:38:09,066 --> 00:38:10,266
- I think they're fine.
975
00:38:10,333 --> 00:38:12,100
- I was inspecting.
Didn't see a problem.
976
00:38:12,166 --> 00:38:13,100
- Uh-huh.
977
00:38:13,166 --> 00:38:15,000
- All right,
if snakes make you--
978
00:38:15,066 --> 00:38:19,100
[laughter]
979
00:38:19,166 --> 00:38:20,600
- Who put this order
of these stories?
980
00:38:20,666 --> 00:38:21,666
- Oh, boy.
981
00:38:21,733 --> 00:38:24,533
♪ ♪
982
00:38:25,033 --> 00:38:26,233
- That's our show.
Thanks so much for watching.
983
00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:27,800
We'll see you next week.
Good night!
984
00:38:27,866 --> 00:38:29,800
[cheers and applause]
985
00:38:29,866 --> 00:38:32,800
[uplifting music]
986
00:38:32,866 --> 00:38:39,933
♪ ♪
987
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:42,933
I would nut!
988
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