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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,200 This programme contains strong language 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,520 As you can all quite well imagine, 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,720 the letters that get themselves printed 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:12,680 are only the tip of an iceberg. 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,480 The iceberg in this case 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,520 seems to be one of a particularly threatening nature. 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,920 In fact, it is an iceberg that is drifting uncomfortably close 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:27,920 to the dazzlingly lit, wonderfully appointed Titanic that is big-time rock pop - 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,320 tax exile, jet-set show business. 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,760 Letter after letter repeats the same thing. 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,880 You all seem to have had it with The Who and Liz Taylor, 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,600 Rod Stewart and the Queen, 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,560 Jagger and Princess Margaret, 14 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,600 paying three quid to be bent, mutilated, 15 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,400 crushed, or seated behind a pillar, 16 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,960 all in the name of modern, '70s-style super rock. 17 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,680 The aforementioned iceberg cometh. 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,680 And that iceberg, dear readers, is you. 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,200 Everyone that was involved in punk was a child in the '60s. 20 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,680 So we grew up with rock music 21 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:20,720 at the centre of the universe, and as a medium for social change. 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:26,360 # It's all right now... # 23 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,200 And what we got, when it was our turn, 24 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,680 was the feeling that we had kind of missed the party. 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,760 We had grown up too late to be a part of that. 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,760 The whole country had this feeling that there's no innovation, 27 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,520 there's nothing happening, definitely not for us. 28 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,040 When you looked at all the great music that had happened, 29 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,560 you really felt, "Well, what are we going to do?" 30 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,040 You really didn't have a future. 31 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,480 No matter how well you achieved academically, 32 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,920 it's like, "Why bother? Know your place." 33 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,600 We didn't want any bullshit, 34 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,400 we didn't want to have an older generation's views 35 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,160 put upon our shoulders. 36 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,840 We didn't want to have to toe the line. 37 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,600 You've created somebody who has nothing. 38 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,200 And, out of nothing, I'm going to build a whole new suit of clothes. 39 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,080 Out of nothing, I'm going to look great. 40 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,200 Out of nothing, I'm going to terrify your children. 41 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,960 In London, it felt as if a great ashen cloud 42 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,680 had fallen over everything. 43 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,000 The great idealistic issues of the hippie era, 44 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,440 gender politics, issues of race, 45 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,560 issues of authority, were not listened to. 46 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,160 In fact, I had gone to the Home Office and said, 47 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,160 "We have been arguing with you, and if you don't listen to me, 48 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:49,320 "my generation, the next generation is going to come at you with knives." 49 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,000 This is the evolutionary story of the birth of British punk... 50 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,800 ..the underground London scene that came before the fabled ground zero 51 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,520 of the Sex Pistols' Anarchy In The UK. 52 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,880 Over time, punk has been mythologized and reduced 53 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,920 to a barrage of swearing, spitting and safety pins. 54 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:15,280 The foundations of punk were actually forged 55 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,320 by a gateway generation 56 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:22,600 sandwiched between the '60s hippies and the '70s punks. 57 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,000 They were the big brothers of punk, 58 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,480 already themselves on a mission to take rock back from the jet set. 59 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,160 This generation paved the way 60 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,120 but would ultimately be wiped out by punk's new dawn. 61 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,000 And the very first stepping stone on the road to punk 62 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,240 was laid by a group of enterprising young American long-hairs 63 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,480 at the beginning of the '70s. 64 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,800 # Well, I'm riding on an airplane... # 65 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,880 One day, in May 1971, 66 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,120 a Californian honky-tonk trio, Eggs Over Easy, 67 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,200 knocked on the door of a north London boozer, 68 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:03,480 looking for a place to play. 69 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,920 I don't know what they were doing in England, 70 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,880 but they went to see the landlord. There was three of them. 71 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,120 And they said, "Could we play here?" 72 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,840 And the guy said, "We kind of play jazz. What do you play?" 73 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:19,400 And they said, "Kind of R&B and country and rock and pop. Everything." 74 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,720 He said, "Give us a lunchtime, and see how it goes." 75 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,560 And that's what they did. 76 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:26,960 And it took off. 77 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,040 # We're going to have a little party 78 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,560 # It's going to last for a week or two. # 79 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,600 They were authentic Americans, and we were really excited by that. 80 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:39,800 Draft dodgers, I think. 81 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,400 I'm not certain about that, maybe that was just a myth. 82 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,760 And they had a massive repertoire. 83 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,000 They were like a living jukebox. 84 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:55,240 It wasn't your regular rock crowd. I can remember 85 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,760 a Sikh bus conductor with his uniform on, dancing, 86 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,800 dancing with his wife or with someone else's wife, I don't know. 87 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,520 All kinds of people. It was really, really shaking. 88 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:14,680 The simple idea of a rock 'n' roll band playing in a pub 89 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,320 was something of a eureka moment for Nick Lowe's band Brinsley Schwarz 90 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,440 and their new manager, ex-Jimi Hendrix roadie, Dave Robinson. 91 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,160 Against the early '70s backdrop of super rock and prog, 92 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,800 rootsy country rock bands like the Brinsleys 93 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,320 had trouble finding places to play. 94 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,200 When I saw Eggs Over Easy, it was like, 95 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,080 "I've got the model. Come down and see - 96 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,920 "this is what I'm telling you you should be doing." 97 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,160 They were the kind of musicians we were aspiring to be. 98 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,440 So we started appropriating quite a lot of their act, you know. 99 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,640 And when they went back to America, 100 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,840 we're appropriated their gig as well. 101 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:54,400 # Falling in love again 102 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,680 # Falling in love again... # 103 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:57,960 Having seen the light, 104 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,680 the Brinsleys settled in to a residency at The Tally Ho 105 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,360 and their enterprising manager set out to make the most of his new opportunity. 106 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,920 Finding kindred spirits, 107 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:14,320 and finding kindred bar managers, became what I got up to. 108 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:20,320 MUSIC: "All Right Now" by Free 109 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:25,360 I'd been working for David Bowie in the very early '70s. 110 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,840 After the Ziggy Stardust tours were over, 111 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:31,840 there was no job for me then with David Bowie. 112 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:34,760 So round about the same time, 113 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:40,200 Dave Robinson and myself spent our evenings looking for venues. 114 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,080 We literally used to drive around London 115 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,560 in my old Morris 1000 traveller. 116 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,600 Every time we passed a big pub, we'd stop and go in 117 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,800 and ask the landlord if he had a big room he wanted to rent out. 118 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,400 It was a bit of a crusade, really. 119 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,800 # Now, don't you wait Don't hesitate 120 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,000 # Let's move before They raise the parking rate. # 121 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,480 PIANO PUB MUSIC 122 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,120 These pubs didn't always offer a warm welcome to new faces. 123 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:13,520 Pubs weren't very appealing to young people. 124 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,880 The vast majority of them were run by Irish men, 125 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,440 with an aggressive attitude! 126 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,800 Almost none of them served meals. 127 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,760 There wasn't a gastro... The word "gastropub" hadn't been invented then. 128 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,240 It was still the older guy 129 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,280 escaping from his wife, 130 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,160 the place they would brag and booze, 131 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,360 and talk about football. 132 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,480 Nothing had happened in pubs for about 30 years, really. 133 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,480 ROCK 'N' ROLL MUSIC 134 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,240 All of a sudden, London's pubs were happening. 135 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,240 Brinsley Schwarz were joined on the scene by groups like Ducks Deluxe 136 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:01,640 and Bees Make Honey, 137 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,520 and the capital's landlords warmed to what they now called pub rock, 138 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,800 and the thirsty crowds it attracted. 139 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,200 # Caledonia, Caledonia... # 140 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,080 A circuit gradually evolved. 141 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,800 The Tally Ho was the first one, 142 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,960 because Eggs Over Easy were playing there. 143 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,240 The Hope & Anchor became a bigger venue, round about 1972. 144 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,360 Also another pub in Hammersmith called The Red Cow. 145 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,680 Then this place, The Nashville, came along later. 146 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:37,160 It became the main means by which new acts were exposed to the public. 147 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,480 The great thing about the London pub rock scene was 148 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,040 you didn't need a huge PA system. 149 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,320 You didn't need a tour bus, and you didn't really need a road crew. 150 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,400 Four or five guys, 151 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,960 put it in the car, go down The Hope & Anchor or The Kensington, 152 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,280 set up on beer crates, virtually, 153 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,040 and play for an hour or two. 154 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,600 There were no bells and whistles at a pub rock show, 155 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,000 and this chimed with the bands' preferred style of stripped down music. 156 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,600 Not for them the pomp and peacocking 157 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,160 of the prevailing forms of rock in 1972. 158 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:29,640 It was a very strange time, that '71, '72 period. 159 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,680 # And I-I-I-I, I love you. # 160 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:36,960 In the pop world, you had glam. 161 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,120 T Rex and Slade, and those guys. 162 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:45,560 I went to see Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars. Please! 163 00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:47,840 # Oh, honey, watch that man. 164 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,600 # Well, he talks like a jerk 165 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,920 # But he's only taking care of the room. # 166 00:09:54,920 --> 00:10:00,520 COMMENTATOR: 'It is said Bowie will soon be the world's number one beat singer. 167 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,160 'He'd be the first superstar of pop to wear shorty dresses on stage.' 168 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,600 It was just too cosmetic for me. 169 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,640 I couldn't swallow that. 170 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,440 # Watch that man. # 171 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,000 You also had this appalling... HE LAUGHS 172 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,200 ..this appalling thing called prog rock. 173 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:26,280 Yes, King Crimson, Family, Genesis. 174 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,960 Jethro Tull, Super Tramp. 175 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,800 You know, prog rock. I hated it. 176 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,440 SYNTHESISER SOLO 177 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,000 Too much light shows, 178 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,600 too much people playing keyboards like this, 179 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,160 and all of that business. 180 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,400 Not just the music that people played, 181 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,200 but how audiences reacted, 182 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,840 which was to sit on the floor, with their eyes shut 183 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:56,400 listening to this wondrously complicated music. 184 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,240 It had gone a long, long way from rock 'n' roll. 185 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,480 Humdrum daily life for youngsters in the early '70s, 186 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,640 played out to an extended soundtrack of earnest virtuosity 187 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,960 and mutton chop pop, 188 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,640 was in dire need of something new. 189 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,960 Pub rock's answer to this was to dig out something old. 190 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,880 The pub rock bands started looking back to Chuck Berry, 191 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:33,160 early blues artists, early soul and R&B artists. 192 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:38,320 # I'm going coast to coast 193 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,880 # I'm going coast to coast. # 194 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,080 Classic rock and R&B from the '50s and early '60s played fast, 195 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,600 and, washed down with generous amounts of ale, 196 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,640 was pub rock's response to boring Britain. 197 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,760 Unbeknownst to them, their retro leanings set British rock 198 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,960 on a course that would eventually lead 199 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,120 to the short sharp shock of punk. 200 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,320 ROCK GUITAR INTERLUDE 201 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,040 The Ducks were just crazy. 202 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,800 We just had so much energy. 203 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,840 We just piled it in there. 204 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,920 We played at 150 miles an hour. 205 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,600 Sean Tyla had a very aggressive, kind of rough attitude, 206 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,040 which I rather liked. 207 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,120 He was fabulously abusive to audiences, for one thing! 208 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:44,800 HE LAUGHS 209 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:49,720 And, you know, that was a bit of a mixed blessing. 210 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,520 # I'm going coast to coast. # 211 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,400 I often used to get people come up to me at the end of a gig, 212 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,600 and say, "You really pissed me off tonight." 213 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,160 I'd say, "What have I done now?" 214 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,080 He said, "You didn't tell me to fuck off!" 215 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,120 So I'm not coming to your gigs if you don't tell me to fuck off. 216 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,160 I said, "All right, OK. Fuck off!" 217 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,080 HE LAUGHS 218 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,560 Ducks Deluxe were like a punk rock group in the making. 219 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:21,640 But a few excess kilos and facial hair 220 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:27,320 was all that stood between Ducks Deluxe and punk rock legend, really. 221 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,720 By 1973, pub rock gigs had gained a reputation as a good night out 222 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,720 and were proving popular with legions of Londoners. 223 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,160 ROCK GUITAR 224 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,480 The crowds were coming. These pubs now suddenly were full. 225 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,680 The landlords were banging me on the back, saying, 226 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:57,920 "Dave, this is happening, what are you drinking?" 227 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,280 We understood it was fundamentally about entertainment. 228 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:06,040 Paul, our singer, very quickly adopted this persona of, like, 229 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,320 an Arthur Daley-type character. 230 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,200 You know, with a moustache and the cigarette 231 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,280 and the sort of sleazy patter. 232 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,720 # You know, I went to a party the other night 233 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,760 # This certain chick was out of sight 234 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,880 # Now, we got talking... # 235 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,240 One of the things that pub rock 236 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,400 is the fact that everybody is in the front row. 237 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,320 Because it's so small, 238 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,520 you are so close to the band. 239 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,360 You are all a part of it. 240 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,040 And the band gets that feeling as well. 241 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:46,040 # So I slapped a little cash down on the desk... # 242 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,280 It broke down the barriers between the audience and the artist. 243 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,680 If you went to the Hammersmith Odeon to see Mott The Hoople, 244 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,960 chances of bumping into Ian Hunter - extremely remote. 245 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,520 Come down The Hope & Anchor, 246 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,600 chances of bumping into Ian Dury - ten to one. You know? 247 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,400 # Pocket money, ooh, pocket money 248 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,040 # But you know it's true, baby. # 249 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,360 If Ian Dury was at the bar, he'd be hard to miss, 250 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,000 especially with his band Kilburn & The High Roads in tow. 251 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,000 The Kilburns were an entirely different phenomena. 252 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,440 It was like seeing a kind of demented Gene Vincent, 253 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,040 you know, with a deformed drummer and a dwarf bass player, 254 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,120 and it was like the circus had come to town. 255 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,840 # Woke up this morning in a state of shock... # 256 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,640 Unlike the punks who would follow, 257 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,440 or the glam acts their younger sisters liked, 258 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,560 most pub rockers didn't believe in having a look. 259 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,400 Only the Kilburns, who met at Canterbury College of Art, 260 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,640 had their own unique aesthetic. 261 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,200 # And the cocktail rock 262 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,560 # They did the mumble rumble 263 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,000 # And the cocktail rock... # 264 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,360 It was a rather strange band. 265 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,080 It wasn't quite a rock 'n' roll band, that's what we thought. 266 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,360 It was like this... We were Kilburns. 267 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,400 # I climbed out of bed and I call a doc 268 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,720 # Don't need you, oh! Cocktail rock, whoo! # 269 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:21,480 Kilburn & The High Roads were just so far ahead of everybody else 270 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,160 in look and in...punk feel. 271 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:29,000 Ian Dury was wearing a razor blade in his ear 272 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,000 years before the punk movement. 273 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,760 # And the cocktail rock. # 274 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,600 All right, Keith, on the guitar, you want to play a little? 275 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,360 More important than his earrings, Ian Dury wrote songs 276 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,440 depicting real life on London's streets 277 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:48,160 at a time when most pub rockers sang songs about life south of the Mason-Dixon line. 278 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,360 # Mumble, mumble rumble 279 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,640 # And the cocktail rock. # 280 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,480 The Mumble Rumble. 281 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,760 He liked people like Max Wall, Norman Wisdom. 282 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,160 He was very much into the stagecraft of that kind of thing. 283 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:18,200 And he was almost like a Dickensian figure, as well. Very English. 284 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,480 And I think people loved that we were talking about 285 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,360 Kilburn High Road instead of Memphis. 286 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,000 The Kilburns used to come 287 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,400 to Hornsey College Of Art and do gigs. 288 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,680 Songs like Rough Kids by them - that was a great song. 289 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,360 I think Rough Kids was one of the first punking sounding songs. 290 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:37,960 You know, very London. 291 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:45,600 The Kilburns gave a glimmer of hope to the odd teenager 292 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,200 craving tunes that reflected their own lives. 293 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,680 But the pub rockers themselves didn't have youth on their side. 294 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,320 You'd have, like, a lead singer that looked really good. 295 00:17:55,320 --> 00:18:00,400 You thought, he's got the slightly Bowie haircut, and a T-shirt, 296 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,760 but they were wearing flares, and the guitarist would have long hair. 297 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:09,920 It was really, you know, beery blokes playing Chuck Berry tunes. 298 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,720 Even the Whistle Test could see that pub rock 299 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,960 wasn't quite going to save rock 'n' roll. 300 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,080 Richard, how much impact do you think the pub rock circuit 301 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,560 is having or is going to have now on the musical situation? 302 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,240 If you go round and look at a lot of pub rock bands, 303 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,200 or a lot of bands playing in pubs, 304 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,560 you find that most of them are over 25. 305 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,520 It's really recreating the music of the '50s and the early '60s, 306 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,520 and out of that kind of thing a revolution is not going to come. 307 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:49,280 The next big influence on rock is going to come from 18-year-olds, 19-year-olds, 20-year-olds. 308 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,800 Pub rock established a live music scene and uncovered 309 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,160 the rock 'n' roll roots that would form the sonic template for punk. 310 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,640 This appetite for raiding the past in search of fresh sounds 311 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,560 was being passed down to even younger kids by two record traders, 312 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,240 Ted Carroll and Roger Armstrong. 313 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,600 We're in Golborne Road, we're outside number 93, 314 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,040 which in 1971 was a flea market. 315 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:38,320 I had a record stall in the back, and that's where I started my Rock On empire. 316 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,520 This place was the first place you could buy rock 'n' roll records 317 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,520 from the '50s, '60s, and even the '70s, 318 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,440 as well as rhythm & blues and soul, 319 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,520 so it used to attract a lot of journalists, musicians. 320 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,000 Joe Strummer bought a copy of Brand New Cadillac in here 321 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,160 and then recorded it with The Clash. 322 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,320 So there was all that kind of stuff happening all the time, you know? 323 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,080 Well, Ted Carroll and Roger Armstrong, 324 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,080 we liked them, because they were introducing us 325 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,760 to music that I hadn't heard before, 326 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,760 early blues and jazz and all that kind of stuff. 327 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,240 They were big instigators of having the product to turn people on. 328 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,280 Just down the road in Chelsea, rag trade maverick Malcolm McLaren 329 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,680 had also picked up on this revival of rock's teenage past. 330 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,840 Malcolm, he was selling '50s rock 'n' roll stuff 331 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,920 and I used to sell him a lot of records. 332 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,520 When everybody was walking around dressed in BacoFoil, 333 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,760 like Gary Glitter or Anthony Price, 334 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,640 he had a Teddy Boy shop. 335 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,480 If you had to begin in the '70s, 336 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,400 you had to begin your life with, 337 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,720 well, what was the culture that really moved you? 338 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,840 So we would dig up the ruins of what was the 1950s. 339 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:01,120 We were going to rescue these ruins, we were going to polish them, 340 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:03,200 dust them down, pull them up. 341 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,320 # Well, it's one for the money 342 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,400 # Two for the show... # 343 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,600 McLaren's shop kitted out a growing number of teenagers 344 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,920 who, fed up with the present, were looking for the future 345 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,760 in the depths of their parents' vinyl collection, 346 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,040 or the back of their wardrobe, for that matter. 347 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:29,240 American Graffiti was a very influential thing for a much younger age group. 348 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,160 ARCHIVE: American Graffiti. Baby, what's that? It's a movie! 349 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,920 Can you dig it? Can you dig it? Go back in time! 350 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,040 It's one of those great old movies about romance, racing and rock 'n' roll! 351 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,120 Those teenage kids, they used to call it graffiti music. 352 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:44,120 Graffiti music, they called it. 353 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,280 We were far enough away from the '50s, in a sense, 354 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,480 for it not to be just about nostalgia, in a way. 355 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,960 They were just listening to it, and it was great music, 356 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,040 and it was sort of simple and straightforward, 357 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,720 and it was the antithesis of the grandiose stadium rock kind of things. 358 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,680 Though, funnily enough, it was a stadium gig that, in a sense, 359 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,920 also helped trigger it, which was the Wembley Rock 'N' Roll Show. 360 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,600 # One, two, three o'clock, four o'clock rock 361 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,400 # five, six, seven o'clock, eight o'clock rock 362 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,640 # nine, ten, 11 o'clock, 12 o'clock rock, 363 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,960 # We're going to rock around the clock tonight... # 364 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,120 It was Bo Diddley, Chuck, Jerry Lee... 365 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:27,640 Bill Haley. Bill Haley. Little Richard. Little Richard. 366 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:32,120 And guess who was also there, with a job lot of retro T-shirts to sell? 367 00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:34,400 ARCHIVE: Bill Haley large? 368 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,600 It's Malcolm McLaren with a pop-up version of his Kings Road store. 369 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,840 Why is rock coming back? What? Why is rock coming back? 370 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,720 Well, it never really went away, did it? No, definitely not. 371 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,600 Large Jerry Lee Lewis. 372 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,840 Revisiting the teen tribes 373 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,240 and three-minute hits of the '50s was a signpost on the road to punk. 374 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,240 But, 40 miles south, down the A13, 375 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,760 those pioneering days of rock 'n' roll had definitely never gone away. 376 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,920 In Southend, of course, we had the famous seafront 377 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,760 and the Kursaal Amusement Park, 378 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,840 and the longest pier in the world, 379 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,960 and so there was a bit of a fairground atmosphere. 380 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,920 All the amusement arcades and the piers and so forth had jukeboxes, 381 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,440 and it seemed like rock 'n' roll records were for ever spinning. 382 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,400 MUSIC: "Boogie Chillen" by John Lee Hooker 383 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,600 Canvey was a bit of a backwater, and I'd got into this 384 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,240 rhythm & blues music and that, and naturally I'm thinking, 385 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,320 "Oh, man, I wish I lived in the Mississippi Delta." 386 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,760 And of course - a jolly obvious thing - 387 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,320 you do live in a delta, actually, 388 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,960 and you do live where there are people living in shacks. 389 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,760 # Well, my momma didn't allow me 390 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,280 # To stay out all night long... # 391 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,800 So you could indulge these kind of fantasies, and the whole thing 392 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,600 lit up by the lights and fires of the oil refinery. 393 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,960 # I didn't care what she didn't allow 394 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,720 # I would boogie-woogie anyhow... # 395 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,640 Yes! Got the blues. 396 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,440 Wilko was joined in his fantasy by three other local lads 397 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,280 in a group they called Dr Feelgood. 398 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,920 # If there's something that I like 399 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,360 # It's the way that woman walks 400 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:37,600 # And if there's something I like better 401 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,280 # It's the way she baby talks 402 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,720 # She does it right 403 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,200 # She does it right... # 404 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:49,560 Actually, what we were doing was slightly old-fashioned or something. 405 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,880 The local rival bands used to look down on us a little bit, 406 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,320 you know, because we weren't wearing frocks 407 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,160 and singing about going to Mars. 408 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,200 # And when she gets back to her seat 409 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,400 # Mmm, all the people cry for more # 410 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,480 # She does it right... # 411 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,480 Rock 'n' roll's not about The Hobbit and things like that, 412 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,760 that's for girls, you know. 413 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,480 Children's music. 414 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,920 This is for people who want to have a good time. 415 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,920 Having shown the pubs and clubs of the Thames delta a good time, 416 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,120 before long, the Feelgoods set their sights 417 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:27,000 on the London pub rock scene. 418 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,360 We went up to town to The Torrington to see a couple of bands. 419 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:34,920 I was there with my brother, and we got in there, 420 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,680 and this band were... I remember saying to my bruv, 421 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,960 "If this is the top band in London... 422 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,800 "..we've got it made." 423 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,040 # I wonder who it could be. 424 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,520 # It was so dark I couldn't see 425 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,360 # But I know it wasn't me 426 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:53,400 # When I tell you it ain't right 427 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,360 # I know you've got to agree... # 428 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:58,280 Suddenly, these oiks come from Canvey Island, 429 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,880 just going berserk up there, and people were loving it. 430 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,000 # Roxette 431 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,640 # I didn't need to seek you out 432 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,120 # You know the music played so loud 433 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:12,280 # But I could hear you through the crowd 434 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,880 # You was telling everyone 435 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,760 # About a new guy you'd found... # 436 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,720 The combination of the Feelgoods' musical assault and their working-class geezer image 437 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,000 grabbed the pub scene by the throat and, crucially, 438 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,440 also grabbed the attention of a younger crowd. 439 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,120 Lee Brilleaux looked like he would 440 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,160 punch your head in given a moment's notice, 441 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:40,040 and Wilko Johnson was just this mad, speed-freak looking kind of guy. 442 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:47,240 Wilko, for me, was the first sort of guitar hero of the '70s, 443 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,920 the first person I could really relate to. Didn't like all the widdly-diddly... 444 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,120 The sort of poodle-cut American stadium rockers didn't mean nothing to me. 445 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,200 They're slightly forgotten in the roots of punk, 446 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,760 but, actually, they are the British roots of punk, 447 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,400 they're sort of the first British punk rock group. 448 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,600 I think the line between pub rock and punk rock is straddled by, 449 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,480 not only Dr Feelgood, but by Eddie & The Hot Rods. 450 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,840 Get Out Of Denver, baby! 451 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,360 It was fast, and it was urgent. 452 00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:26,760 # Still remember it was autumn and the moon was shining 453 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,480 # 60 Cadillac was roaring through Nebraska whining 454 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,520 # To hit 120, Man, the fields was bending over 455 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,520 # Heading for the mountains Knowing we was trailin' further 456 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,200 # The pipes were blazin' and the screamin' wheels turnin', turnin' 457 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,440 # Had my girl beside me, brother, she was burnin', burnin'... # 458 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,040 Hailing from Canvey Island, 459 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,520 Eddie & The Hot Rods were direct descendants of Dr Feelgood. 460 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,040 They were steeped in the same R&B roots, 461 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,400 but were a few, crucial years younger than their Essex elders. 462 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,040 The Feelgoods are now, not at the peak of their career, 463 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,480 but they're really about as big as it can get. 464 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,520 Eddie & The Hot Rods kind of came and snuck in under that. 465 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,240 They were younger, and they had a younger following, 466 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,120 and they were a very high energy band. 467 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,120 And they went straight into pub gigs that were ready-made. 468 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,560 They had an almost meteoric rise. 469 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,680 The other bands in the early days, like Ducks Deluxe, Brinsleys 470 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,120 and bands like that, were fantastic in their right. 471 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:27,560 We put a burst of energy into it. 472 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,840 I was quite fit in those days, so it was just... 473 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,520 To let go of the energy I used to go mad on stage, 474 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,040 running around, swinging from the rafters. 475 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,560 There was no-one else like us at the time. 476 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,760 The punk generation had reached the legal age and begun to infiltrate the pub scene. 477 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,760 Faced with a front man of their own age, 478 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,680 they adopted Eddie & The Hot Rods as one of their own. 479 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,440 You went to see people like Eddie & The Hot Rods, '75, '76, 480 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,600 because they were playing a very basic, punky type of R&B. 481 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,760 You know, it was music that you felt you could identify with. 482 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,080 Their eyes were bulging, they looked the part, 483 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,720 they were playing at a tempo that no-one in LA was playing at. 484 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,520 And they were ours. 485 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,520 The Rods cranked up the energy on stage, 486 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,440 but their set still relied on American rock covers. 487 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,320 What would soon set punk apart was a voice with a vision of Britain 488 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,160 as it felt and smelled to the kids it had set adrift. 489 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:48,400 # I was saying let me out of here before I was even born 490 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,960 # It's such a gamble when you get a face 491 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,280 # I belong to the generation but 492 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,080 # I can take it or leave it each time... # 493 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,360 It was still that sort of hangover from the '60s 494 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,000 that went on into the mid '70s, 495 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,760 where people were still walking around in massive great big flairs this big, 496 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,640 and your dad wearing pasty kipper ties and matching shirts 497 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,400 and all that sort of gear from C&A's. 498 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,560 # Kisses for me 499 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,800 # Save all your kisses for me... # 500 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,920 They were getting into the flower power thing, 501 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,840 but like six years later or something. 502 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,440 # Don't cry, honey, don't cry... # 503 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,680 And if it wasn't bad enough having to suffer 504 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,960 the bad taste hangover from the '60s, 505 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:38,280 the Britain this generation had inherited was also looking worse for wear. 506 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,920 I can only give you one gallon, sir. 507 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,240 That'll get you to your nearest garage. 508 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,920 So the South Wales miners have decided to turn the screw further. 509 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,600 Their latest action... Huge piles of rubbish after the demonstration... 510 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,440 CROWD SHOUTING 511 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,840 Ferguson? Here. Gottley? Sir. Green? Sir. 512 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,280 Chambers? Sir. Londale. Sir. 513 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,560 Linda Ayre? 514 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,440 Anyone seen Linda Ayre? 515 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,960 Because of that attitude absolutely rampant in the education system 516 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,960 of telling you you really didn't have a future, 517 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,920 that you had no job prospects, 518 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,640 no matter how well you achieved academically. 519 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,440 It's like, "Why bother? Know your place." 520 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,360 The situation in Britain sort of produced us. 521 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,880 It sort of give us a place, in a way, 522 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,360 because that lack of things meant that you had to do something for yourself. 523 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,200 For me, that was music. 524 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,440 Music was just as important to the punk generation 525 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,360 as it had been to their parents in the '60s. 526 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,440 But the characters they would become had been nurtured 527 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,880 by a very different set of sounds and images. 528 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,400 # She's faster than most 529 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,520 # And she lives on the coast Uh-huh... # 530 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,880 There would be no punk without glam. 531 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,280 Bolan was this outright, straight-in-your-face 532 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,000 "I'm going to be a pop star, I'm going to have all your money, 533 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,280 "all your girlfriends, you've had it." 534 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,960 And I remember watching Top Of The Pops 535 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,800 and Bolan was doing Hot Love, and I'd never seen anything like it, 536 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,400 these girls were just, like, whacking off. 537 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,120 And I thought, "That's what I want to get stuck into." 538 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,240 The flamboyant gods of glam divided Britain's male population. 539 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,800 The blokes, who inhabited the pub rock scene, 540 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,520 were wary of their gender bending ways. 541 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,720 But for the younger generation, 542 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,440 Ziggy Stardust was an exotic beacon of hope. 543 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,120 # Poor Jean Genie 544 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,000 # Snuck into the city 545 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,480 # Strung out on lasers 546 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,280 # And slash back blazers... # 547 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,960 It was the first thing that had appeared 548 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,880 on Top Of The Pops for years that your dad didn't like. 549 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,360 It was shocking and it was sexually ambiguous, 550 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,560 and he was thin and he was charismatic... 551 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,320 # Jean Genie loves chimney stacks 552 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,760 # He's outrageous He screams and he bawls 553 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,400 # Jean Genie, let yourself go... # 554 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,680 Rock music still had the power 555 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,200 to flaunt the gap between the generations. 556 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,760 And another potent new ingredient in the mix 557 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,920 had swaggered across the Atlantic in 1973 558 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,960 in the form of the New York Dolls. 559 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,440 # Jet boys fly Jet boys gone 560 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,360 # Jet boys stole my baby... # 561 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,400 The New York Dolls appearing on Whistle Test, 562 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,440 that for me was like, 563 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,960 "Whoa, I'm not going to go to work in that fucking factory." 564 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,680 It was like, "Whoa! I want to be that." 565 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:45,880 # My baby... # 566 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,960 New York Dolls were the first band 567 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,000 to be insulted on The Old Grey Whistle Test. 568 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,200 An American group who are to the Stones 569 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,000 what The Monkees were to The Beatles - 570 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,560 a pale and amusing derivative. 571 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,680 Bob Harris said afterwards, "Mock rock," 572 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,200 as though, "This is just a joke, we can't take this seriously." 573 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:12,240 Mock rock. 574 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,120 One man in particular begged to differ with Bob Harris. 575 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,840 By the mid '70s, Malcolm McLaren had begun to lose interest 576 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,880 in the Ted revival and the Dolls became his new obsession. 577 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,000 New York Dolls were in town and they went into Let It Rock 578 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,880 and Malcolm kind of fell in love with them. 579 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,000 He went to New York to manage them for a while, 580 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,320 and that all fell apart. 581 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,920 He came back and decided he'd do a UK band 582 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,280 that were confrontational and rocking in the same way. 583 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:52,280 In 1974, McLaren overhauled his Kings Road shop, Let It Rock. 584 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,520 Sex would be its provocative new name. 585 00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,160 The new thing we decided to do was far more subversive 586 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,760 and far more overtly sexual for us, 587 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,960 and something that we felt we had suddenly arrived in the '70s. 588 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,600 Sex, and McLaren's British take on the Dolls, 589 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,680 would be fresh, new and shocking. 590 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,520 I used to go in there when it was Let It Rock, which was basically a second-hand Teddy Boy shop. 591 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,320 Then it was Sex, and Sex was a scary shop. 592 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,960 You wouldn't just go in Sex, it was rubber and leather, 593 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,520 and Jordan was in there and she was very intimidating. That was the idea of it. 594 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,320 Alongside Jordan, and in amongst the gimp masks, 595 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,560 was Saturday boy and aspiring rock star Glen Matlock. 596 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,320 The shop was at the wrong end of the Kings Road and it attracted 597 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,360 all these nut-case weirdos and Steve and Paul would come in as well. 598 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,800 I think it was to try and nick stuff and it was my job to stop them. 599 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,280 Steve Jones and Paul Cook also shared Glen's ambition 600 00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,960 to form a band. 601 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,200 I guess we were looking for something 602 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,000 that kids like us could go and see, cos there was nothing like that. 603 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,040 There was a kind of pub rock scene going around at the time, 604 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,320 which was the only thing happening 605 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,680 and we thought we could jump in on the back of that 606 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,280 and make our own scene, if you like. 607 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,280 Encouraged by McLaren, 608 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,720 keen to extend his new brand to the music business, 609 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:23,640 all they needed now was a frontman. 610 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,480 Everybody had long hair - 611 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,400 your bank manager, your milkman, they had long hair, 612 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,040 slightly over the ears, and flared trousers. 613 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,080 If we saw somebody in the street who had short hair and tight trousers 614 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,360 we would just say, "Do you fancy yourself as a singer?" 615 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,320 Up until that point of joining the Pistols, 616 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,160 I'd never even conceived of singing. 617 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,280 So unsinging became kind of oddly enough 618 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,080 the most appropriate approach to the Pistols. 619 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,640 We invited him back to audition in front of the jukebox 620 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,320 and we put a couple of records on, 621 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,800 one of them being Eighteen by Alice Cooper. 622 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,800 He liked Alice Cooper. He just sort of took the piss out of it, 623 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,520 but the way he took the piss out of it, 624 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,280 there was something about him. 625 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,000 In 19-year-old John Lydon 626 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,200 the fledgling Sex Pistols had happened upon a kind of visionary. 627 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,880 He shared their interest in music, 628 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,360 but also had a burning desire to tell the truth of his generation. 629 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,360 I couldn't play an instrument, 630 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,200 so the boys were great there. 631 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,160 But they couldn't actually write songs, any of them. 632 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,560 If they were going be the songwriters in that respect, 633 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,360 it would end up being versions of other things 634 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,440 and Johnny came in with a completely different attitude to that. 635 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,320 There was a bit of tension about that, 636 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,720 but I think I proved my point. 637 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,200 You know, the written word, you know, 638 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,320 it's an incredibly important thing 639 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,160 and I think up until the Sex Pistols, everything was a lie. 640 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,080 Alongside Johnny Rotten, 641 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:06,280 one other man would become known as the voice of the punk generation. 642 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,960 But in 1975, Joe Strummer was just one member 643 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,280 in a band of refusenik post-hippies 644 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,680 taking refuge from '70s Britain in a West London squat. 645 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,040 # Johnny is a wanderer tied to a guitar 646 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,520 # Thinks he's going to change the world... # 647 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:23,880 There wasn't much money about 648 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,760 and a lot of people just needed a place to live, very much like today! 649 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:36,720 The 101ers was a squatting band. They came from the squatters. 650 00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,360 It was named, not after the George Orwell room, 651 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,080 but 101 Walterton Road where they were squatting. 652 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,720 # Johnny had a temperature Saw a pretty face 653 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:49,720 # Tried to walk it on a lead 654 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,680 # Counted out his money, Charged them to his health... 655 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,960 I think the seeds of what we would now term punk mentality 656 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,080 were there in that house. 657 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,720 You know, you could be on your way to the kitchen 658 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:08,640 and suddenly become the bass player. 659 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,240 Having started out playing for the amusement of their fellow squatters, 660 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:26,480 the 101ers soon graduated to their local pub, The Elgin in Ladbroke Grove. 661 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,040 At the time the 101ers still had their goal - 662 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,120 being a band like the Feelgoods 663 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:40,520 and being one of the, if you like, top pub rock bands. 664 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,880 Almost overnight, this modest ambition was realised 665 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,880 and it was the lead singer Joe Strummer 666 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,120 and his high octane performance that people came out to see. 667 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,000 You came into the store and said, 668 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,040 "Saw this band at Dingwalls last night. 669 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,840 "The lead singer's an absolute star. We've got to do something with them." 670 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,040 And so, we then, a couple of nights later, went out. 671 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,160 Remember it was one of those student gigs...? South London. Barely a stage. 672 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,480 He played like he was playing in front of 20,000 people, you know? 673 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,520 The guy's energy was just ferocious. 674 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:24,320 Watching him, he was like amphetamine person, 675 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,200 just going completely crazy. 676 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,120 It was just like veins bulging out of the neck. 677 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,920 There was an anger there. 678 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:36,560 It was clear that Strummer's charisma and conviction were set to outgrow the 101ers. 679 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,040 One night at The Nashville, 680 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,680 a new support act would set him on his road to Damascus. 681 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,880 I was working with the 101ers and the next night, 682 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,640 they were playing The Nashville and the Sex Pistols were the support act. 683 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,040 I walked into Nashville 684 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,520 and I got to the back and Joe was watching the Sex Pistols. 685 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,160 I kind of felt this atmosphere when I walked in there, really different. 686 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,880 I remember putting my hand up like that and going to him, 687 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,960 "Do you feel that?" 688 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,800 And he went, "Yeah." I said, "There's something different in the air." 689 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,440 There was a magical time, from maybe the beginning of '76 690 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,400 through to late '76, 691 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,640 where you genuinely felt something was going on. 692 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,200 You could feel something like punk coming. 693 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,280 You could feel a change coming. 694 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,240 You weren't quite sure what it was. 695 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:53,360 April, 1975. 696 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,040 The Americans evacuate Saigon. 697 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,080 For me, the end of the '60s. 698 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,040 Although it's 1975, Vietnam was the... 699 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,680 central rallying point of the 1960s. 700 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,480 It's what we protested against. 701 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,520 We went to Grosvenor Square, shook our fists. 702 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,560 It was Beatles and Stones, 703 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,520 Mick Jagger and Tariq Ali and Vanessa Redgrave. 704 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,040 We were angry about Vietnam. 705 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,880 Vietnam finished with the American surrender - sorry, guys - 706 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,520 in 1975, April, 707 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,480 evacuated by helicopter from the Embassy in Saigon. 708 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,560 November '75, a band called the Sex Pistols 709 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,200 did their first gig at St Martin's art school. 710 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,880 So somewhere between April and November 711 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,840 was where that generational baton was handed on. 712 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,480 Richard "Kid" Strange was the cosmic leader 713 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,360 of psychedelic proto-punks, the Doctors Of Madness. 714 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,000 They had many of the hallmarks of what became punk 715 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,640 and were on the road to success by 1976. 716 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,880 We got a call from our agent, this must have been May, '76, 717 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,360 saying, "There's a band you might have heard of, they've caused a bit of trouble. 718 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,560 "You know who I'm going to say. It's the Sex Pistols. 719 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,560 "They want to support you. Is that OK?" 720 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,960 I thought, "Yeah, fine, bring it on," you know. 721 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,240 We arrived and the Pistols were sitting in the auditorium. 722 00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:34,440 They were naughty, but not excessively so. 723 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,960 They looked like they were kids bunking off school, you know? 724 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,520 They were that bit younger than us. 725 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,680 We'd sort of been led to believe that they might be armed, you know! 726 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,240 As harmless as they may have appeared, 727 00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:53,600 the Pistols were armed with something so violently new 728 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,720 that any act with so much as a whiff of the old regime about them 729 00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:00,520 could now consider themselves the enemy. 730 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,840 They opened the show and I was watching from the wings 731 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,680 and I thought, "It's all over for us." 732 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,480 The reaction that they garnered was just extraordinary - 733 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,640 devotion to the point of evangelical prostration in front of the stage. 734 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,160 # We're so pretty 735 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,520 # Oh, so pretty... # 736 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,760 Or, "What is this abomination? It's not music." You know? 737 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,040 And, of course, in a way, that was the point. 738 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,720 It was much better than music, it was something to upset your parents. 739 00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:41,080 # We're so pretty Oh, so pretty 740 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,560 # Vacant... # 741 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,400 You just thought... 742 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,320 "I'm two years too old." 743 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,000 And then, to compound the whole thing, 744 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,960 by the time we came off and got back into the dressing room, 745 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,480 the Pistols had been through our pockets and nicked our money as well! 746 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:06,200 # And we don't care. # 747 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,200 Punk's time had come. 748 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,480 The iceberg had cometh 749 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,280 as Britain basked in record temperatures in the summer of '76. 750 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,120 Its roots run deep and a diverse cast had played their part in setting the scene, 751 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,480 but British punk's true birth, 752 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:26,120 the spawning of this visceral, ugly, enticing beast 753 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,080 to be loved or hated but impossible to ignore 754 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,320 can only be traced to your first time - 755 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,520 the first time you saw the Sex Pistols. 756 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,040 These four characters stumbled onto the stage 757 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,640 and they played these songs 758 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:46,160 and they were just like nothing else I've ever seen or heard before. 759 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,200 Wow. They played a Stooges song, they played No Fun, 760 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,640 and they played Watcha Gonna Do About It, 761 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,440 the old Small Faces song, but instead of, 762 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,520 "I want you to know that I love you, baby," it was, 763 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,720 "I want you to know that I fucking hate you, baby." 764 00:45:57,720 --> 00:45:59,040 I thought, "That is cool." 765 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,000 Actually, they were sort of...very beautiful. 766 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,280 They were like fairies, really. 767 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,680 Fuck me. It's the only language I can use. 768 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,920 I mean, it was a cultural ground zero. 769 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:16,320 You know, the sort of fairies at the bottom of one's garden. And young. 770 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,760 I mean, I actually couldn't hear what John was singing 771 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,120 but there was an energy and an intensity that you could not deny. 772 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,800 What was so different about the Sex Pistols early on 773 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,760 was they were quite aggressive to the audience. 774 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,080 It was the eyes, it was just the eyes, looking at the audience. 775 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,120 He'd look at them with such hatred. 776 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:41,400 He was sat there, scowling, and I felt really drawn to that. 777 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:46,720 I just loved the contradiction and I just had never seen anything like it. 778 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:49,600 It just inspired me to leave college, 779 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,400 split up with my missus and go for it. 780 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,880 It was an event. Not so much a musical event, but a cultural event. 781 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,720 Even then, you could see this was different, this was important. 782 00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:05,120 The electrifying message of the Pistols was spreading fast 783 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,640 and Johnny Rotten was becoming the oracle of the punk generation. 784 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,440 I knew that it would catch on 785 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,320 because I knew the minute I saw Johnny Rotten 786 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,760 that he was exactly the kind of poetic figure 787 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,200 that was going to inspire a whole generation of kids. 788 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,400 The word "punk" is as old as Shakespeare. 789 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,120 Although I knew that none of the musicians of that generation 790 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,400 would particularly like to be called punks, 791 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,800 when you're spreading the word 792 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,080 and writing it down, you had to have this term. 793 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,120 Suddenly, Caroline Coon labels the Sex Pistols punk 794 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,720 and me the king of punk. 795 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,560 King Johnny went forth to address his subjects 796 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,640 and declared war on his enemies. 797 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,480 What's this thing you've got against hippies? They're complacent. 798 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,760 We're not supposed to know nothing, us. 799 00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,760 But it's them what did not know a thing. How ludicrous! 800 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,480 And that was their revolution, you know, 801 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,080 they were the hangovers from the '60s. 802 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,800 I always knew the '60s wasn't a revolution. 803 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,080 It really just was a bunch of university students, 804 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,920 with somewhat wealthy parents, having fun. 805 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,480 Condemned for their lack of ambition, 806 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,160 overnight, the long-haired older brothers of Britain, 807 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,120 including those pioneering pub rockers, were yesterday's men. 808 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,440 The Pistols inspired their generation 809 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,680 to write their own future. 810 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,720 You wanted to get involved, man. You didn't want to be just a fan. 811 00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:38,200 And it was about that kind of empowerment and reinventing yourself. 812 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,040 I mean, Strummer told me as much. 813 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,880 He said after he saw the Pistols, 814 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,080 101ers was like yesterday's newspaper. 815 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,120 Joe Strummer had been courted 816 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,600 by guitarist Mick Jones on the hunt for a lead singer for his new band. 817 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,920 Struck by the Sex Pistols, Strummer realised he was, in fact, 818 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,640 a punk trapped in an pub rock band. 819 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,840 He ditched the 101ers, jumped a generation 820 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,920 and signed up to The Clash. 821 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,240 In those days, it was very quick. 822 00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:08,040 You'd be in a group for two weeks 823 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,520 and then you wouldn't again, or you may be. 824 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,400 Sounds like a load of shit. Sounds great to me. 825 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:15,800 'I think you're really lucky' 826 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,600 if you find the right people, you know what I mean? 827 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,480 Then it just becomes more than just the individual, 828 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,800 it becomes the chemistry between... 829 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,880 You're very lucky to find that, the right people and the right time. 830 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,840 It comes along once in a while. 831 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,160 We didn't have any agenda, real agenda, it was just like, 832 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,120 we just want to play some tunes and have a good time, you know. 833 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,160 The Clash didn't have an agenda? Well, I didn't. 834 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:44,760 I mustn't speak for the others. 835 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,640 What sort of things do you write about? What's going on at the moment. 836 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,200 Like what? 837 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,920 Like what? Career opportunities. 838 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,000 They're sort of like... 839 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,800 all the kids are supposed to be like factory fodder, you know? 840 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,160 You don't learn nothing. All you're working for 841 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,040 is just to go into a factory 842 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,720 which is round the corner, or something like that. 843 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:17,960 # Police and thieves in the street... # 844 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,400 What the new generation did so successfully 845 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,600 was to create a new British identity 846 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,440 where artists as musicians 847 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,320 are writing about their own experience from the streets, 848 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,640 their own tragedies, their own splendours, 849 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,960 in an English, British voice. 850 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,000 # White riot I wanna riot 851 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,640 # White riot I wanna riot... # 852 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,120 Tell me about White Riot, what's it about? Notting Hill Gate. 853 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,720 You know that riot they had? We was down there, me and him. 854 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,680 And we got searched by policemen looking for bricks. 855 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,280 Later on we got searched by a Rasta 856 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,040 looking for pound notes in our pockets. 857 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,880 All we had was bricks and bottles! 858 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,200 # White riot I wanna riot... # 859 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,280 The Pistols and The Clash spearheaded the nascent punk movement 860 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,840 with a two-pronged insurgency aimed at the powers that be. 861 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,640 They tapped the mood of violence 862 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,280 simmering under the surface of boring '70s Britain 863 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,040 and would bear witness when it spilled over. 864 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,840 Without this conflict at its heart, 865 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,200 punk would have been little more than noisy pop music. 866 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,920 But almost as important in defining this new art form 867 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,320 was the chaotic and often comical theatrics 868 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,600 surrounding life in a fledgling punk band. 869 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,480 The Damned led the way in this department. 870 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,240 # A distant man can't sympathise 871 00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:09,360 # He can't uphold his distant laws 872 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,400 # Due to form on that today 873 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,000 # I got a feeling then I hear this call 874 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,720 # I said neat, neat, neat She can't afford a cannon 875 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,280 # Neat, neat, neat She can't afford a gun... # 876 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,040 You had Vanian looking like some fucking vampire, 877 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,640 Captain, once he got called Captain, 878 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,080 he changed from being quite a meek Ray Burns 879 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,560 into this clown-cum-raving idiot, 880 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,040 where you didn't know what he was going to dress in next. 881 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,360 It could be a bloody tutu, 882 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,880 a ballerina's tutu, or a nurse's outfit, or whatever. 883 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,120 Yeah, I've always liked dressing up, it has to be said. 884 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,720 The back of the first album cover, I wore a nurse's uniform. 885 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:47,200 The funny thing was, I actually found I was quite enjoying wearing it. 886 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,640 # Neat, neat, neat She can't afford a cannon... # 887 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,480 It allowed everyone to live their fantasies, 888 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:53,760 which is a wonderful thing. 889 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,880 The Damned taught a generation that they weren't stuck with their lot. 890 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,960 They called themselves names and revelled in their grotesque image. 891 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,680 They WERE the damned. 892 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,680 Punk was reflecting the ugliness of Britain back at itself 893 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,200 and if you didn't get this, you'd be left behind. 894 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,720 What was marvellous about it all, what was so hilarious 895 00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:22,840 was that, of course, the major record companies thought, 896 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,680 "This can't be real! This... What? 897 00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,920 "We're going to have to put this music out shortly? 898 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,200 "What? This is going to be in the charts? 899 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,800 "I hate it, it's disgusting!" 900 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,440 It was said at the time 901 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,160 that you could hear the sound of record company executives' bodies 902 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,760 hitting the pavement from the high buildings. 903 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,400 Having transformed London's live music scene a few years earlier, 904 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,520 the entrepreneurs behind pub rock now saw an opportunity 905 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,320 to embrace and enable the punk generation. 906 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,440 Here is a musical movement. All these kids want to buy something. 907 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,840 They can buy a few one-off little bits 908 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:07,600 but they want to buy something big to show their badge of credibility. 909 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,680 Stiff put the records out quicker. 910 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,320 We were quicker, we were faster, we were brasher, 911 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,640 we were noisier and we were the best. 912 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,840 There was a real vibe to it. There was no big office for them, 913 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,440 they were just in an old shopfront on Alexander Street. 914 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,360 And it was like, everyone was bagging records and doing it - 915 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,080 everyone was mucking in doing stuff. 916 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,960 It had Nick Lowe as a house producer. 917 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,480 It had Dave and Jake, who knew how to market records 918 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,160 in an original, innovative way. 919 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,480 A band like The Damned was almost tailor-made for them, really. 920 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,080 Stiff signed The Damned in late '76 921 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,920 and put them straight in the studio with house producer Nick Lowe, 922 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,960 of pub rockers Brinsley Schwarz fame. 923 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,920 I made quite a lot of records up there in that little place. 924 00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:59,560 Occasionally - and I can think of on one hand - 925 00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,840 we did something in there which you could not believe. 926 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,560 It was the first time I'd ever been in a recording studio. 927 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,800 I'd seen Let It Be and I thought, "This is going to be great." 928 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:16,080 And then we got into this sort of cupboard with a tape recorder. 929 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,640 What they created that day in those modest surroundings 930 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,480 would encapsulate the pure essence of punk 931 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,800 and become the very first punk single to be released in Britain. 932 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,160 We could not believe it. We could not believe it. 933 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,520 It seemed like it was almost unsettling. 934 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,760 It's a cracking riff, yeah, it's a cracking riff. Absolutely watertight. 935 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,400 He played it back and there was something that was just totally exciting. 936 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,440 It was like a genuine rush. 937 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,080 You know when you're walking out in the country somewhere 938 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,520 and suddenly an F1 jetfighter screams above you 939 00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,080 and it just whaaaa... 940 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,560 # I got a feeling inside me 941 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,560 # It's kind of strange like a stormy sea... # 942 00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,440 There's something so fundamental about it. 943 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,360 That's what made it startlingly original. 944 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:27,440 It's an ancient story somehow told in a brand-new way. 945 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:32,960 You've got to be made of bloomin' wood not be touched by it. 946 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:38,320 # I never thought this could happen to me 947 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,640 # Something strange Oh, what should it be? 948 00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,840 Another first in true Stiff Records style 949 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,360 was the DIY filming of this video for New Rose 950 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,840 at the bastion of pub rock, The Hope & Anchor, 951 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,160 drawing a direct line to punk's humble roots. 952 00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,800 I mean, that was two run-throughs 953 00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,360 with a camera at two different angles, 954 00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,800 maybe three, and that was it. 955 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,360 Edited that night and we had the video in the morning. 956 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,480 # I've got a new rose I've got her good 957 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,320 # Guess I knew that I always would... # 958 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,360 People have asked me over the years, "What's New Rose about? 959 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,320 "Is it like a love story?" 960 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,480 I've got a feeling that it's probably, as much as anything, 961 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,600 about what was happening with the punk scene. 962 00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,920 The New Rose was this developing thing. 963 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,320 I've never been that much into lyrics, 964 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,440 I'm more of a guitar player, you know. 965 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,560 The same month The Damned's New Rose was released, 966 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:46,040 the Sex Pistols inked a deal with music business old farts, EMI. 967 00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,680 And their debut signal, Anarchy In The UK, 968 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,720 hit the streets in November '76. 969 00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,120 It was time for punk to go above ground 970 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,000 and into direct contact with those it was designed to offend. 971 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:03,600 I've done everything humanly possible to ban this thing and to stop it. 972 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:09,360 1977, the year of punk, was just around the corner. 973 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,760 Go on, you've got another five seconds. Say something outrageous. 974 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,120 You dirty bastard. Go on, again. You dirty fucker. 975 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,120 What a clever boy(!) What a fucking rotter. 976 00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,360 Well, that's it for tonight. 977 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,800 # I am an antichrist 978 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,520 # I am an anarchist 979 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,800 # Don't know what I want But I know how to get it 980 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,480 # I wanna destroy the passer-by 981 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:40,520 # Cos I wanna be 982 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,520 # Anarchy... # 79341

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