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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:44,627 --> 00:00:47,629 MICHAEL POLLAN: The way we eat has changed more in the last 50 years 2 00:00:47,630 --> 00:00:49,631 than in the previous 10,000. 3 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,595 But the image that's used to sell the food, 4 00:00:54,596 --> 00:00:58,474 it is still the imagery of agrarian America. 5 00:01:05,940 --> 00:01:09,318 You go into the supermarket and you see pictures of farmers, 6 00:01:11,154 --> 00:01:13,155 the picket fence, the silo, 7 00:01:13,156 --> 00:01:15,324 the '30s farmhouse and the green grass. 8 00:01:17,535 --> 00:01:20,120 It's the spinning of this pastoral fantasy. 9 00:01:29,506 --> 00:01:31,048 The modern American supermarket 10 00:01:31,049 --> 00:01:34,009 has on average 47,000 products. 11 00:01:46,397 --> 00:01:49,108 There are no seasons in the American supermarket. 12 00:01:49,109 --> 00:01:51,151 Now there are tomatoes all year round, 13 00:01:51,194 --> 00:01:54,113 grown halfway around the world, picked when it was green, 14 00:01:54,114 --> 00:01:56,698 and ripened with ethylene gas. 15 00:02:00,411 --> 00:02:02,079 Although it looks like a tomato, 16 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,081 it's kind of a notional tomato. 17 00:02:04,082 --> 00:02:06,416 I mean, it's the idea of a tomato. 18 00:02:26,646 --> 00:02:29,481 In the meat aisle, there are no bones anymore. 19 00:02:33,945 --> 00:02:36,196 ERIC SCHLOSSER: There is this deliberate veil, 20 00:02:36,197 --> 00:02:38,323 this curtain, that's dropped between us 21 00:02:38,324 --> 00:02:40,826 and where our food is coming from. 22 00:02:40,827 --> 00:02:43,745 The industry doesn't want you to know the truth 23 00:02:43,746 --> 00:02:45,289 about what you're eating, 24 00:02:45,290 --> 00:02:48,250 because if you knew, you might not want to eat it. 25 00:02:51,921 --> 00:02:53,547 POLLAN: If you follow the food chain back 26 00:02:53,548 --> 00:02:55,924 from those shrink-wrapped packages of meat, 27 00:02:55,925 --> 00:02:58,260 you find a very different reality. 28 00:02:58,261 --> 00:03:00,179 The reality is a factory. 29 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:02,306 It's not a farm. It's a factory. 30 00:03:02,307 --> 00:03:04,308 That meat is being processed 31 00:03:04,309 --> 00:03:07,436 by huge multinational corporations 32 00:03:07,437 --> 00:03:10,480 that have very little to do with ranches and farmers. 33 00:03:10,481 --> 00:03:14,860 SCHLOSSER: Now our food is coming from enormous assembly lines 34 00:03:14,861 --> 00:03:18,697 where the animals and the workers are being abused. 35 00:03:20,116 --> 00:03:22,534 And the food has become much more dangerous 36 00:03:22,535 --> 00:03:26,038 in ways that are being deliberately hidden from us. 37 00:03:26,039 --> 00:03:29,541 TROY ROUSH: You've got a small group of multinational corporations 38 00:03:29,542 --> 00:03:32,419 who control the entire food system. 39 00:03:33,671 --> 00:03:35,422 From seed to the supermarket, 40 00:03:35,423 --> 00:03:37,424 they're gaining control of food. 41 00:03:39,427 --> 00:03:42,095 SCHLOSSER: This isn't just about what we're eating. 42 00:03:42,096 --> 00:03:44,723 This is about what we're allowed to say, 43 00:03:44,724 --> 00:03:46,850 what we're allowed to know. 44 00:03:46,851 --> 00:03:49,269 It's not just our health that's at risk. 45 00:03:49,270 --> 00:03:52,981 CAROLE MORISON: The companies don't want farmers talking. 46 00:03:52,982 --> 00:03:56,318 They don't want this story told. 47 00:04:15,930 --> 00:04:18,715 How about a nice chicken club sandwich made with fresh cooked chicken? 48 00:04:18,716 --> 00:04:21,426 You know, that's a nice idea, 49 00:04:21,427 --> 00:04:23,428 but I think what I'd really like 50 00:04:23,429 --> 00:04:26,098 - is a burger. - All right. 51 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,561 SCHLOSSER'S VOICE: My favorite meal to this day 52 00:04:31,562 --> 00:04:33,855 remains a hamburger and french fries. 53 00:04:37,235 --> 00:04:39,945 I had no idea that a handful of companies 54 00:04:39,946 --> 00:04:42,864 had changed what we eat and how we make our food. 55 00:04:46,202 --> 00:04:48,203 I've been eating this food all my life 56 00:04:48,204 --> 00:04:50,289 without having any idea where it comes from, 57 00:04:50,290 --> 00:04:53,333 any idea how powerful this industry is. 58 00:04:53,334 --> 00:04:55,377 And it was the idea 59 00:04:55,378 --> 00:04:59,298 of this world deliberately hidden from us. 60 00:04:59,299 --> 00:05:01,300 I think that's one of the reasons why 61 00:05:01,301 --> 00:05:03,302 I became an investigative reporter, 62 00:05:03,303 --> 00:05:06,221 was to take the veil... lift the veil away 63 00:05:06,222 --> 00:05:09,975 from important subjects that are being hidden. 64 00:05:11,227 --> 00:05:14,021 (FILM PROJECTOR CLICKING) 65 00:05:14,022 --> 00:05:16,023 SCHLOSSER: The whole industrial food system 66 00:05:16,024 --> 00:05:18,400 really began with fast food. 67 00:05:18,401 --> 00:05:20,694 In the 1930s, 68 00:05:20,695 --> 00:05:22,446 a new form of restaurant arose 69 00:05:22,447 --> 00:05:24,448 and it was called the drive-in. 70 00:05:27,493 --> 00:05:30,370 The McDonald brothers had a very successful drive-in, 71 00:05:30,371 --> 00:05:34,583 but they decided to cut costs and simplify. 72 00:05:34,584 --> 00:05:36,835 So they fired all their carhops, 73 00:05:36,836 --> 00:05:39,171 they got rid of most of the things on the menu 74 00:05:39,172 --> 00:05:41,757 and they created a revolutionary idea 75 00:05:41,758 --> 00:05:43,675 to how to run a restaurant. 76 00:05:43,676 --> 00:05:46,219 They basically brought the factory system 77 00:05:46,220 --> 00:05:48,764 to the back of the restaurant kitchen. 78 00:05:52,143 --> 00:05:55,228 They trained each worker to just do one thing 79 00:05:55,229 --> 00:05:57,689 again and again and again. 80 00:06:00,026 --> 00:06:03,195 By having workers who only had to do one thing, 81 00:06:03,196 --> 00:06:05,364 they could pay them a low wage 82 00:06:05,365 --> 00:06:08,784 and it was very easy to find someone to replace them. 83 00:06:08,785 --> 00:06:12,704 It was inexpensive food, it tasted good 84 00:06:12,705 --> 00:06:15,999 and this McDonald's fast food restaurant 85 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,502 was a huge huge success. 86 00:06:21,714 --> 00:06:24,758 That mentality of uniformity, 87 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:26,760 conformity and cheapness 88 00:06:26,761 --> 00:06:29,221 applied widely and on a large scale 89 00:06:29,222 --> 00:06:32,182 has all kinds of unintended consequences. 90 00:06:32,183 --> 00:06:34,393 (MOOING) 91 00:06:36,604 --> 00:06:39,314 When McDonald's is the largest purchaser 92 00:06:39,315 --> 00:06:41,775 of ground beef in the United States 93 00:06:41,776 --> 00:06:43,777 and they want their hamburgers 94 00:06:43,778 --> 00:06:46,154 to taste, everywhere, exactly the same, 95 00:06:46,155 --> 00:06:49,032 they change how ground beef is produced. 96 00:06:53,204 --> 00:06:55,205 The McDonald's corporation 97 00:06:55,206 --> 00:06:57,624 is the largest purchaser of potatoes 98 00:06:57,625 --> 00:07:00,544 and one of the largest purchasers of pork, 99 00:07:00,545 --> 00:07:04,256 chicken, tomatoes, lettuce, even apples. 100 00:07:05,383 --> 00:07:07,509 These big big fast food chains 101 00:07:07,510 --> 00:07:09,511 want big suppliers. 102 00:07:09,512 --> 00:07:12,431 And now there are essentially a handful of companies 103 00:07:12,432 --> 00:07:14,224 controlling our food system. 104 00:07:22,066 --> 00:07:25,068 In the 1970s, the top five beef-packers 105 00:07:25,069 --> 00:07:28,029 controlled only about 25% of the market. 106 00:07:28,030 --> 00:07:30,907 Today, the top four 107 00:07:30,908 --> 00:07:33,535 control more than 80% of the market. 108 00:07:36,122 --> 00:07:38,498 You see the same thing happening now in pork. 109 00:07:40,918 --> 00:07:43,253 Even if you don't eat at a fast food restaurant, 110 00:07:43,254 --> 00:07:46,631 you're now eating meat that's being produced 111 00:07:46,632 --> 00:07:49,259 by this system. 112 00:07:52,430 --> 00:07:54,598 You look at the labels 113 00:07:54,599 --> 00:07:56,433 and you see Farmer this, Farmer that... 114 00:07:56,434 --> 00:07:59,644 it's really just three or four companies 115 00:07:59,645 --> 00:08:02,481 that are controlling the meat. 116 00:08:02,482 --> 00:08:05,692 We've never had food companies this big 117 00:08:05,693 --> 00:08:08,236 and this powerful in our history. 118 00:08:08,237 --> 00:08:10,238 Tyson, for example, 119 00:08:10,239 --> 00:08:13,950 is the biggest meat-packing company in the history of the world. 120 00:08:13,951 --> 00:08:17,621 The industry changed the entire way that chicken are raised. 121 00:08:19,624 --> 00:08:21,791 Birds are now raised and slaughtered 122 00:08:21,792 --> 00:08:24,377 in half the time they were 50 years ago, 123 00:08:24,378 --> 00:08:26,129 but now they're twice as big. 124 00:08:26,130 --> 00:08:28,673 People like to eat white meat, 125 00:08:28,674 --> 00:08:31,134 so they redesigned the chicken 126 00:08:31,135 --> 00:08:33,136 to have large breasts. 127 00:08:34,931 --> 00:08:37,974 - (CHEEPING) - They not only changed the chicken, 128 00:08:37,975 --> 00:08:39,893 they changed the farmer. 129 00:08:41,437 --> 00:08:44,189 Today, chicken farmers no longer control their birds. 130 00:08:44,190 --> 00:08:45,690 (THUDDING) 131 00:08:45,691 --> 00:08:48,026 A company like Tyson 132 00:08:48,027 --> 00:08:50,862 owns the birds from the day they're dropped off 133 00:08:50,863 --> 00:08:52,864 until the day that they're slaughtered. 134 00:08:52,865 --> 00:08:54,407 (BUZZES) 135 00:08:54,408 --> 00:08:56,701 Let me go to the top. 136 00:08:56,702 --> 00:08:59,329 - Man: This is the Chicken... - National Chicken Council. 137 00:08:59,330 --> 00:09:02,332 The chicken industry has really set a model 138 00:09:02,333 --> 00:09:05,085 for the integration of production, processing 139 00:09:05,086 --> 00:09:06,670 and marketing of the products 140 00:09:06,671 --> 00:09:09,339 that other industries are now following 141 00:09:09,340 --> 00:09:12,342 because they see that we have achieved tremendous economies. 142 00:09:17,306 --> 00:09:19,224 In a way, we're not producing chickens; 143 00:09:19,225 --> 00:09:20,934 We're producing food. 144 00:09:22,186 --> 00:09:23,853 It's all highly mechanized. 145 00:09:23,854 --> 00:09:26,231 So all the birds coming off those farms 146 00:09:26,232 --> 00:09:28,567 have to be almost exactly the same size. 147 00:09:31,529 --> 00:09:35,031 What the system of intensive production accomplishes 148 00:09:35,032 --> 00:09:38,827 is to produce a lot of food 149 00:09:38,828 --> 00:09:41,204 on a small amount of land 150 00:09:41,205 --> 00:09:43,790 at a very affordable price. 151 00:09:43,791 --> 00:09:46,126 Now somebody explain to me what's wrong with that. 152 00:10:04,395 --> 00:10:07,063 (SNIFFS) Smells like money to me. 153 00:10:07,064 --> 00:10:10,400 (CHUCKLES) 154 00:10:12,737 --> 00:10:15,697 16 chicken houses sit here. 155 00:10:15,698 --> 00:10:19,743 And Chuck's son has four over the top of this hill. 156 00:10:19,744 --> 00:10:23,413 The chicken industry came in here 157 00:10:23,414 --> 00:10:26,499 and it's helped this whole community out. 158 00:10:32,590 --> 00:10:35,175 Here's my chicken houses here. 159 00:10:37,511 --> 00:10:39,888 I have about 300,000 chickens. 160 00:10:43,267 --> 00:10:45,435 (BARKS) 161 00:10:45,436 --> 00:10:47,520 - What do you want? - (BARKS) 162 00:10:49,774 --> 00:10:52,400 We have a contract with Tyson. 163 00:10:52,401 --> 00:10:55,862 They've been growing chickens for many many years. 164 00:10:55,863 --> 00:10:58,698 It's all a science. They got it figured out. 165 00:10:58,699 --> 00:11:02,118 If you can grow a chicken in 49 days, 166 00:11:02,119 --> 00:11:04,454 why would you want one you gotta grow in three months? 167 00:11:06,165 --> 00:11:07,832 More money in your pocket. 168 00:11:09,377 --> 00:11:11,378 (CHICKENS CLUCKING) 169 00:11:15,549 --> 00:11:18,468 These chickens never see sunlight. 170 00:11:18,469 --> 00:11:21,721 They're pretty much in the dark all the time. 171 00:11:40,866 --> 00:11:43,868 MAN: So you think they just want to keep us out? 172 00:11:43,869 --> 00:11:45,912 I don't know. 173 00:11:45,913 --> 00:11:48,248 If I knew, I'd tell you. 174 00:11:48,249 --> 00:11:52,085 It would be nice if y'all could see what we really do, 175 00:11:52,086 --> 00:11:55,213 but as far as y'all going in, 176 00:11:55,214 --> 00:11:57,424 we can't let you do that. 177 00:12:13,566 --> 00:12:16,317 I understand why farmers don't want to talk... 178 00:12:16,318 --> 00:12:18,778 because the company can do what it wants to do 179 00:12:18,779 --> 00:12:21,906 as far as pay goes since they control everything. 180 00:12:21,907 --> 00:12:24,784 But it's just gotten to the point 181 00:12:24,785 --> 00:12:27,871 that it's not right what's going on 182 00:12:27,872 --> 00:12:29,873 and I've just made up my mind. 183 00:12:29,874 --> 00:12:31,499 I'm gonna say what I have to say. 184 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:33,918 I understand why others don't want to do it. 185 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:36,171 And I'm just to a point 186 00:12:36,172 --> 00:12:37,797 that it doesn't matter anymore. 187 00:12:37,798 --> 00:12:40,091 Something has to be said. 188 00:12:50,144 --> 00:12:52,353 (LOUD CLUCKING) 189 00:12:54,356 --> 00:12:56,024 It is nasty in here. 190 00:12:56,025 --> 00:12:58,443 There's dust flying everywhere. 191 00:12:58,444 --> 00:13:00,153 There's feces everywhere. 192 00:13:00,154 --> 00:13:02,614 This isn't farming. 193 00:13:02,615 --> 00:13:04,491 This is just mass production, 194 00:13:04,492 --> 00:13:06,868 like an assembly line in a factory. 195 00:13:06,869 --> 00:13:09,496 (FANS WHIRRING) 196 00:13:09,497 --> 00:13:11,498 When they grow from a chick 197 00:13:11,499 --> 00:13:14,334 and in seven weeks you've got a five-and-a-half-pound chicken, 198 00:13:14,335 --> 00:13:16,836 their bones and their internal organs 199 00:13:16,837 --> 00:13:18,838 can't keep up with the rapid growth. 200 00:13:18,839 --> 00:13:22,592 A lot of these chickens here, they can take a few steps 201 00:13:22,593 --> 00:13:25,678 and then they plop down. It's because they can't 202 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,056 keep up all the weight that they're carrying. 203 00:13:29,767 --> 00:13:33,770 (WHEEZES) 204 00:14:06,887 --> 00:14:08,596 That's normal. 205 00:14:12,059 --> 00:14:14,602 There's antibiotics that's put into the feed 206 00:14:14,603 --> 00:14:16,938 and of course that passes through the chicken. 207 00:14:16,939 --> 00:14:20,149 The bacteria builds up a resistance, 208 00:14:20,150 --> 00:14:22,777 so antibiotics aren't working anymore. 209 00:14:22,778 --> 00:14:25,780 I have become allergic to all antibiotics 210 00:14:25,781 --> 00:14:27,448 and can't take 'em. 211 00:14:34,331 --> 00:14:36,875 (CLUCKING) 212 00:14:36,876 --> 00:14:39,043 MORISON: When it's dark inside the houses, 213 00:14:39,044 --> 00:14:42,255 the chickens lay down. It's less resistance 214 00:14:42,256 --> 00:14:44,007 when they're being caught. 215 00:14:47,386 --> 00:14:51,222 Traditionally, it's been African-American men. 216 00:14:52,725 --> 00:14:56,895 Now we're seeing more and more Latino catchers... 217 00:14:58,397 --> 00:15:00,398 undocumented workers. 218 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:03,401 From their point of view, they don't have any rights 219 00:15:03,402 --> 00:15:05,153 and they're just not gonna complain. 220 00:15:05,154 --> 00:15:07,822 The companies like these kind of workers. 221 00:15:09,408 --> 00:15:11,993 It doesn't matter if the chickens get sick. 222 00:15:11,994 --> 00:15:13,995 All of the chickens will go to the plant 223 00:15:13,996 --> 00:15:15,914 for processing. 224 00:15:35,392 --> 00:15:38,770 The companies keep the farmers under their thumb 225 00:15:38,771 --> 00:15:40,939 because of the debt that the farmers have. 226 00:15:42,608 --> 00:15:44,609 To build one poultry house 227 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:49,364 is anywhere from $280,000 to $300,000 per house. 228 00:15:49,365 --> 00:15:52,784 And once you make your initial investment, 229 00:15:52,785 --> 00:15:54,786 the companies constantly come back 230 00:15:54,787 --> 00:15:56,496 with demands of upgrades 231 00:15:56,497 --> 00:15:58,498 for new equipment, 232 00:15:58,499 --> 00:16:00,500 and the grower has no choice. 233 00:16:00,501 --> 00:16:02,168 They have to do it 234 00:16:02,169 --> 00:16:04,587 or you're threatened with loss of a contract. 235 00:16:07,716 --> 00:16:10,343 This is how they keep the farmers under control. 236 00:16:10,344 --> 00:16:12,804 It's how they keep them spending money, 237 00:16:12,805 --> 00:16:14,806 going to the bank and borrowing more money. 238 00:16:14,807 --> 00:16:17,058 The debt just keeps building. 239 00:16:18,894 --> 00:16:21,938 To have no say in your business, 240 00:16:21,939 --> 00:16:23,940 it's degrading. 241 00:16:23,941 --> 00:16:27,151 It's like being a slave to the company. 242 00:17:16,493 --> 00:17:18,703 POLLAN: The idea that you would need to write a book 243 00:17:18,704 --> 00:17:20,705 telling people where their food came from 244 00:17:20,706 --> 00:17:22,665 is just a sign of how far removed we've become. 245 00:17:22,666 --> 00:17:26,878 It seems to me that we're entitled to know about our food... 246 00:17:26,879 --> 00:17:29,922 "Who owns it? How are they making it? 247 00:17:29,923 --> 00:17:31,799 Can I have a look in the kitchen?" 248 00:17:36,013 --> 00:17:38,639 When I wanted to understand the industrial food system, 249 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,517 what I set about doing was very simple. 250 00:17:41,518 --> 00:17:43,436 I wanted to trace the source of my food. 251 00:17:45,439 --> 00:17:47,482 When you go through the supermarket, 252 00:17:47,483 --> 00:17:51,652 what looks like this cornucopia of variety and choice is not. 253 00:17:51,653 --> 00:17:53,321 There is an illusion of diversity. 254 00:17:53,322 --> 00:17:55,406 There are only a few companies involved 255 00:17:55,407 --> 00:17:56,927 and there're only a few crops involved. 256 00:17:58,744 --> 00:18:01,079 What really surprised me most 257 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,790 as I followed that food back to its source, 258 00:18:03,791 --> 00:18:05,958 I kept ending up in the same place, 259 00:18:05,959 --> 00:18:08,002 and that was a cornfield in Iowa. 260 00:18:09,088 --> 00:18:11,589 So much of our industrial food 261 00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:15,051 turns out to be clever rearrangements of corn. 262 00:18:21,725 --> 00:18:24,352 Corn has conquered the world in a lot of ways. 263 00:18:25,729 --> 00:18:28,231 It is a remarkable plant. 264 00:18:28,232 --> 00:18:31,109 100 years ago, a farmer in America 265 00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:34,320 could grow maybe 20 bushels of corn on an acre. 266 00:18:34,321 --> 00:18:37,865 Today, 200 bushels is no problem. 267 00:18:37,866 --> 00:18:40,409 That's an astonishing achievement 268 00:18:40,410 --> 00:18:42,411 for which breeders deserve credit, 269 00:18:42,412 --> 00:18:44,914 for which fertilizer makers deserve credit, 270 00:18:44,915 --> 00:18:47,500 for which pesticide makers all deserve credit. 271 00:18:53,841 --> 00:18:55,675 ROUSH: In the United States today, 272 00:18:55,676 --> 00:18:58,761 30% of our land base is being planted to corn. 273 00:19:00,973 --> 00:19:03,808 That's largely driven by government policy, 274 00:19:03,809 --> 00:19:05,810 government policy that, in effect, 275 00:19:05,811 --> 00:19:09,313 allows us to produce corn below the cost of production. 276 00:19:09,314 --> 00:19:13,526 The truth of the matter is we're paid to overproduce, 277 00:19:13,527 --> 00:19:15,528 and it was caused by 278 00:19:15,529 --> 00:19:17,655 these large multinational interests. 279 00:19:18,991 --> 00:19:20,992 The reason our government's promoting corn... 280 00:19:20,993 --> 00:19:25,037 the Cargills, the ADMs, Tyson, Smithfield... 281 00:19:25,038 --> 00:19:27,957 they have an interest in purchasing corn below the cost of production. 282 00:19:29,710 --> 00:19:33,838 They use that interest and that extensive amount of money they have 283 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:37,341 to lobby Congress to give us the kind of farm bills we now have. 284 00:19:38,343 --> 00:19:39,802 POLLAN: A "farm bill," 285 00:19:39,803 --> 00:19:41,721 which should really be called a "food bill," 286 00:19:41,722 --> 00:19:45,558 codifies the rules of the entire food economy. 287 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:48,769 Farm policy is always focused on these commodity crops 288 00:19:48,770 --> 00:19:51,606 because you can store them. 289 00:19:53,901 --> 00:19:56,861 We encourage farmers to grow as much corn as they can grow, 290 00:19:56,862 --> 00:20:00,239 to get big, to consolidate. 291 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,201 We subsidize farmers by the bushel. 292 00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:07,163 ROUSH: We produced a lot of corn 293 00:20:07,164 --> 00:20:09,165 and they came up with uses for it. 294 00:20:11,668 --> 00:20:15,379 LARRY JOHNSON: We are now engineering our foods. 295 00:20:15,380 --> 00:20:17,381 We know where to turn to for certain traits 296 00:20:17,382 --> 00:20:19,258 like mouth feel and flavor. 297 00:20:19,259 --> 00:20:21,385 And we bring all of these pieces together 298 00:20:21,386 --> 00:20:24,305 and engineer new foods 299 00:20:24,306 --> 00:20:26,641 that don't stale in the refrigerator, 300 00:20:26,642 --> 00:20:29,060 don't develop rancidity. 301 00:20:29,061 --> 00:20:32,688 Of course the biggest advance in recent years 302 00:20:32,689 --> 00:20:34,273 was high-fructose corn syrup. 303 00:20:35,567 --> 00:20:37,401 You know, I would venture to guess 304 00:20:37,402 --> 00:20:39,904 if you go and look on the supermarket shelf, 305 00:20:39,905 --> 00:20:41,906 I'll bet you 90% of them 306 00:20:41,907 --> 00:20:44,909 would contain either a corn or soybean ingredient, 307 00:20:44,910 --> 00:20:47,370 and most of the time will contain both. 308 00:21:04,972 --> 00:21:06,597 POLLAN: Corn is the great raw material. 309 00:21:06,598 --> 00:21:09,558 You get that big fat kernel of starch 310 00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:12,144 and you can break that down and reassemble it. 311 00:21:12,145 --> 00:21:14,146 You can make high-fructose corn syrup. 312 00:21:14,147 --> 00:21:15,773 You can make maltodextrin 313 00:21:15,774 --> 00:21:18,609 and diglycerides and xanthan gum 314 00:21:18,610 --> 00:21:20,611 and ascorbic acid. 315 00:21:20,612 --> 00:21:23,114 All those obscure ingredients on the processed food... 316 00:21:23,115 --> 00:21:26,284 it's remarkable how many of them can be made from corn. 317 00:21:26,285 --> 00:21:28,244 Plus, you can feed it to animals. 318 00:21:28,245 --> 00:21:32,665 ROUSH: Corn is the main component in feed ingredients 319 00:21:32,666 --> 00:21:36,836 whether it's chicken, hogs, cattle... you name it. 320 00:21:36,837 --> 00:21:39,088 POLLAN: Increasingly, we're feeding the corn to the fish 321 00:21:39,089 --> 00:21:41,799 whether we're eating the tilapia or the farmed salmon. 322 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,801 We're teaching fish how to eat corn. 323 00:21:47,764 --> 00:21:50,474 The fact that we had so much cheap corn 324 00:21:50,475 --> 00:21:54,770 really allowed us to drive down the price of meat. 325 00:21:54,771 --> 00:21:57,857 I mean, the average American is eating over 200 lbs 326 00:21:57,858 --> 00:22:00,151 of meat per person per year. 327 00:22:00,152 --> 00:22:02,153 That wouldn't be possible 328 00:22:02,154 --> 00:22:04,155 had we not fed them this diet of cheap grain. 329 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,370 Since you're selling corn at below the price of production, 330 00:22:11,371 --> 00:22:14,915 the feedlot operator can buy corn 331 00:22:14,916 --> 00:22:16,917 at a fraction of what it costs to grow, 332 00:22:16,918 --> 00:22:20,171 so that all the animals are sucked off 333 00:22:20,172 --> 00:22:22,173 of all the farms in the Midwest. 334 00:22:25,218 --> 00:22:27,428 There is a spiderweb 335 00:22:27,429 --> 00:22:30,056 of roads and train tracks 336 00:22:30,057 --> 00:22:32,266 all around the country moving corn 337 00:22:32,267 --> 00:22:34,894 from where it's being grown to these CAFOs. 338 00:22:41,777 --> 00:22:44,528 Cows are not designed by evolution to eat corn. 339 00:22:44,529 --> 00:22:46,989 They're designed by evolution to eat grass. 340 00:22:46,990 --> 00:22:49,742 And the only reason we feed them corn 341 00:22:49,743 --> 00:22:51,369 is because corn is really cheap 342 00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:53,621 and corn makes them fat quickly. 343 00:22:55,415 --> 00:22:58,292 (COW MOOS) 344 00:23:04,424 --> 00:23:06,217 MAN: Where are you putting your hand? 345 00:23:06,218 --> 00:23:09,637 I'm actually inside the rumen... 346 00:23:09,638 --> 00:23:12,390 that first compartment of the stomach. 347 00:23:14,267 --> 00:23:16,268 And it's... 348 00:23:16,269 --> 00:23:18,270 it's not... 349 00:23:18,271 --> 00:23:20,189 it's kind of hard to see. 350 00:23:20,190 --> 00:23:23,234 You can see the liquid part here. 351 00:23:23,235 --> 00:23:25,820 MAN: Wow. 352 00:23:25,821 --> 00:23:27,863 - Does that hurt the cow? - No. 353 00:23:29,157 --> 00:23:30,991 There's microorganisms... 354 00:23:30,992 --> 00:23:33,285 bacteria in the rumen, millions of 'em. 355 00:23:33,286 --> 00:23:35,996 The animals evolved 356 00:23:35,997 --> 00:23:38,499 on consuming grass. 357 00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:40,501 There's some research that indicates 358 00:23:40,502 --> 00:23:43,754 that a high-corn diet results in. 359 00:23:43,755 --> 00:23:47,633 E. Coli that are acid-resistant. 360 00:23:47,634 --> 00:23:50,928 And these would be the more harmful E. Coli. 361 00:23:55,684 --> 00:23:57,685 POLLAN: So you feed corn to cattle 362 00:23:57,686 --> 00:24:01,772 and E. Coli, which is a very common bug, evolves, 363 00:24:01,773 --> 00:24:05,109 a certain mutation occurs 364 00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:09,280 and a strain called the "E. COLI 0157:H7" 365 00:24:09,281 --> 00:24:12,116 appears on the world stage. 366 00:24:12,117 --> 00:24:15,786 And it's a product of the diet we're feeding cattle on feedlots 367 00:24:15,787 --> 00:24:18,122 and it's a product of feedlot life. 368 00:24:20,125 --> 00:24:22,126 The animals stand ankle deep 369 00:24:22,127 --> 00:24:25,337 in their manure all day long. 370 00:24:25,338 --> 00:24:27,339 So if one cow has it, 371 00:24:27,340 --> 00:24:28,883 the other cows will get it. 372 00:24:30,635 --> 00:24:32,636 When they get to the slaughterhouse, 373 00:24:32,637 --> 00:24:34,972 their hides are caked with manure. 374 00:24:34,973 --> 00:24:37,349 And if the slaughterhouse is slaughtering 375 00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:39,059 400 animals an hour, 376 00:24:39,060 --> 00:24:41,729 how do you keep that manure 377 00:24:41,730 --> 00:24:43,689 from getting onto those carcasses? 378 00:24:43,690 --> 00:24:46,484 And that's how the manure gets in the meat. 379 00:24:47,903 --> 00:24:49,904 And now this thing that wasn't in the world 380 00:24:49,905 --> 00:24:51,489 is in the food system. 381 00:25:02,209 --> 00:25:04,877 A fast-food nightmare may be getting worse. 382 00:25:04,878 --> 00:25:06,921 A two-year-old child died today in Seattle. 383 00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:10,257 And the killer? Tainted meat from Jack In The Box hamburgers. 384 00:25:10,258 --> 00:25:11,884 A nationwide recall today 385 00:25:11,885 --> 00:25:14,512 for more than 140 tons of ground beef. 386 00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:16,847 MAN: A half a million pounds of ground beef... 387 00:25:16,848 --> 00:25:20,100 MAN #2: Today, nationwide recalls of Con Agra ground beef. 388 00:25:20,101 --> 00:25:23,187 SCHLOSSER: E. Coli isn't just in ground beef now... 389 00:25:23,188 --> 00:25:26,023 it's been found in spinach, apple juice... 390 00:25:26,024 --> 00:25:30,861 and this is really because of the runoff from our factory farms. 391 00:25:30,862 --> 00:25:33,531 90 confirmed cases of E. Coli poisoning. 392 00:25:33,532 --> 00:25:35,866 Central to it all... raw, bagged spinach. 393 00:25:35,867 --> 00:25:38,702 MAN #3: This is the 20th E. Coli outbreak with leafy Greens 394 00:25:38,703 --> 00:25:40,371 in just the last decade. 395 00:25:40,372 --> 00:25:43,040 SCHLOSSER: For years during the Bush administration, 396 00:25:43,041 --> 00:25:45,084 the Chief of staff at the USDA 397 00:25:45,085 --> 00:25:47,545 was the former Chief lobbyist 398 00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:49,588 to the beef industry in Washington; 399 00:25:49,589 --> 00:25:53,717 The head of the F.D.A. was the former executive vice president 400 00:25:53,718 --> 00:25:56,720 of the National Food Processors Association. 401 00:25:56,721 --> 00:25:58,639 These regulatory agencies 402 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,975 are being controlled by the very companies 403 00:26:00,976 --> 00:26:02,726 that they're supposed to be scrutinizing. 404 00:26:02,727 --> 00:26:05,396 WOMAN: ConAgra, which recently recalled peanut butter 405 00:26:05,397 --> 00:26:07,147 contaminated with salmonella, 406 00:26:07,148 --> 00:26:10,317 was aware of problems in its plant two years ago. 407 00:26:21,538 --> 00:26:23,372 SCHLOSSER: There's always been food poisoning. 408 00:26:23,373 --> 00:26:26,000 As more and more technology 409 00:26:26,001 --> 00:26:28,043 is being applied to the production of food, 410 00:26:28,044 --> 00:26:30,045 you would think it would be getting safer, 411 00:26:30,046 --> 00:26:31,589 not more contaminated. 412 00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:34,550 But the processing plants have gotten bigger and bigger. 413 00:26:34,551 --> 00:26:38,554 It's just perfect for taking bad pathogens 414 00:26:38,555 --> 00:26:40,848 and spreading them far and wide. 415 00:26:40,849 --> 00:26:43,726 WOMAN: The recall of frozen hamburger now includes 416 00:26:43,727 --> 00:26:45,436 22 million pounds. 417 00:26:45,437 --> 00:26:47,980 Enough meat to make a fast-food hamburger 418 00:26:47,981 --> 00:26:51,650 for every adult in America is being recalled. 419 00:26:51,651 --> 00:26:53,652 SCHLOSSER: In the 1970s, there were literally thousands 420 00:26:53,653 --> 00:26:56,155 of slaughterhouses in the United States. 421 00:26:56,156 --> 00:26:59,074 Today we have 13 slaughterhouses 422 00:26:59,075 --> 00:27:02,244 that process the majority of beef 423 00:27:02,245 --> 00:27:04,455 that is sold in the United States. 424 00:27:04,456 --> 00:27:06,582 The hamburger of today, 425 00:27:06,583 --> 00:27:10,461 it has pieces of thousands of different cattle 426 00:27:10,462 --> 00:27:12,755 ground up in that one hamburger Patty. 427 00:27:12,756 --> 00:27:17,176 The odds increase exponentially that one of those animals 428 00:27:17,177 --> 00:27:19,845 was carrying a dangerous pathogen. 429 00:27:19,846 --> 00:27:23,390 It's remarkable how toothless 430 00:27:23,391 --> 00:27:27,269 our regulatory agencies are when you look closely at it, 431 00:27:27,270 --> 00:27:29,146 and that's how the industry wants it. 432 00:27:38,448 --> 00:27:42,159 PATRICIA BUCK: This is the USDA building up here. 433 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,621 Did Josh say how much time he thought we'd get? 434 00:27:45,622 --> 00:27:47,331 - Five minutes. - Five minutes. 435 00:27:47,332 --> 00:27:50,751 Well, maybe as much as 15. Got to be on time for that meeting. 436 00:27:50,752 --> 00:27:52,961 - It starts a 4:00. - Okay. 437 00:27:52,962 --> 00:27:55,839 So if I start going like that 438 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,218 - or start shuffling papers, it's time. - I know, it's time. 439 00:27:59,219 --> 00:28:02,054 Thank you! Thank you. 440 00:28:03,932 --> 00:28:06,725 KOWALCYK: I'm a registered Republican. 441 00:28:06,726 --> 00:28:09,478 I've always been fairly conservative. 442 00:28:09,479 --> 00:28:12,314 I never thought I would be doing this 443 00:28:12,315 --> 00:28:14,316 and I certainly never thought I would be 444 00:28:14,317 --> 00:28:16,318 working so closely with my mom. 445 00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:18,445 - We go this way? Okay. - Yes, we go this way. 446 00:28:18,446 --> 00:28:21,115 Made a mistake... I think that's the way we want to go. 447 00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:23,867 KOWALCYK: My mom and I, our relationship has 448 00:28:23,868 --> 00:28:26,495 taken on a whole new dimension. 449 00:28:26,496 --> 00:28:28,914 2421? 2421. 450 00:28:28,915 --> 00:28:30,666 Here we are. 451 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,590 - Hi. - Hello. 452 00:28:38,591 --> 00:28:40,676 - How are you? - I'm Pat. 453 00:28:40,677 --> 00:28:42,845 - Hi, Pat. - Barb Kowalcyk. 454 00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:46,265 - Hi, Barb. - DeGette: After the first big push 455 00:28:46,266 --> 00:28:50,144 to establish food standards, people just got complacent. 456 00:28:50,145 --> 00:28:53,439 We reduced funding for the FDA. 457 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,691 We've relied increasingly 458 00:28:55,692 --> 00:28:58,527 on self-policing for all of these industries. 459 00:28:58,528 --> 00:29:01,613 And now we just have, really, 460 00:29:01,614 --> 00:29:05,075 lost our system. 461 00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:08,537 You're really one of the champions on the hill 462 00:29:08,538 --> 00:29:10,706 for food safety and it's a very important 'cause. 463 00:29:10,707 --> 00:29:14,543 It's very personal to me and my family. 464 00:29:14,544 --> 00:29:18,714 Our food safety advocacy work started six years ago 465 00:29:18,715 --> 00:29:21,550 when my two-and- a-half-year-old son Kevin 466 00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:25,637 was stricken with E. COLI 0157:H7 467 00:29:25,638 --> 00:29:29,016 and went from being a perfectly healthy 468 00:29:29,017 --> 00:29:31,143 beautiful little boy... 469 00:29:31,144 --> 00:29:33,479 and I have a small picture with me today 470 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,356 that was taken two weeks before he got sick. 471 00:29:36,357 --> 00:29:40,068 He went from that to being dead in 12 days. 472 00:29:44,824 --> 00:29:46,950 In July 2001, 473 00:29:46,951 --> 00:29:49,328 our family took a vacation. 474 00:29:49,329 --> 00:29:52,039 Had we known what was in store for us, 475 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,916 we would have never gone home. 476 00:29:56,252 --> 00:30:00,214 We ended up eating three hamburgers before he got sick. 477 00:30:01,591 --> 00:30:05,928 We started to see blood in Kevin's diarrhea, 478 00:30:05,929 --> 00:30:09,264 so we took him to the emergency room. 479 00:30:09,265 --> 00:30:11,642 And they said, "We've gotten" 480 00:30:11,643 --> 00:30:14,645 the culture back from Kevin's stool, 481 00:30:14,646 --> 00:30:17,898 "and he has hemorrhagic E. Coli." 482 00:30:20,276 --> 00:30:22,611 They came in and informed us 483 00:30:22,612 --> 00:30:24,905 that Kevin's kidneys were starting to fail. 484 00:30:26,241 --> 00:30:29,618 Kevin received his first dialysis treatment. 485 00:30:31,287 --> 00:30:34,206 He was not allowed to really drink water. 486 00:30:34,207 --> 00:30:37,501 We had these little sponges 487 00:30:37,502 --> 00:30:40,712 and we were allowed to dip that into a cup of water 488 00:30:40,713 --> 00:30:42,923 and then give him that. 489 00:30:45,802 --> 00:30:50,597 He bit the head off of one of them. 490 00:30:50,598 --> 00:30:53,517 You've never seen someone beg. 491 00:30:53,518 --> 00:30:57,229 He begged for water. It was all he could talk about. 492 00:30:57,230 --> 00:31:00,649 They wouldn't let anybody bring any beverage into the room 493 00:31:00,650 --> 00:31:03,777 because... I mean, it was all he would talk about, 494 00:31:03,778 --> 00:31:06,864 was... water. 495 00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:08,866 (WAVES LAPPING) 496 00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:13,620 I don't know if he knew what was happening to him... 497 00:31:16,124 --> 00:31:18,208 and I hope... I don't know. 498 00:31:20,378 --> 00:31:22,796 To watch this beautiful child go 499 00:31:22,797 --> 00:31:26,091 from being perfectly healthy to dead in 12 days... 500 00:31:26,092 --> 00:31:28,343 it was just unbelievable 501 00:31:28,344 --> 00:31:32,306 that this could happen from eating food. 502 00:31:33,516 --> 00:31:36,768 What was kind of adding more insult to injury... 503 00:31:36,769 --> 00:31:39,271 it took us almost two or three years 504 00:31:39,272 --> 00:31:41,023 and hiring a private attorney 505 00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:43,191 to actually find out that we matched a meat recall. 506 00:31:43,192 --> 00:31:46,695 On August 1st, my son was already in the hospital. 507 00:31:46,696 --> 00:31:50,157 They did an E. Coli test at the plant that was positive. 508 00:31:50,158 --> 00:31:52,075 They didn't end up recalling that meat 509 00:31:52,076 --> 00:31:54,995 until August 27th, 510 00:31:54,996 --> 00:31:57,539 16 days after he died. 511 00:31:57,540 --> 00:32:00,584 If we have some more hearings... which I'm sure we will... 512 00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:02,711 I'd love to have you come and testify. 513 00:32:02,712 --> 00:32:05,756 - Keep fighting. - Thank you. You too. 514 00:32:05,757 --> 00:32:08,258 KOWALCYK: You never get over the death of your child. 515 00:32:08,259 --> 00:32:11,720 You find a new normal. 516 00:32:11,721 --> 00:32:13,305 - Buck: This way? - Yes. 517 00:32:13,306 --> 00:32:15,515 - We're going this way? - Mm-hmm. 518 00:32:15,516 --> 00:32:17,309 KOWALCYK: We put faith in our government 519 00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:19,853 to protect us, 520 00:32:19,854 --> 00:32:22,230 and we're not being protected 521 00:32:22,231 --> 00:32:24,066 at a most basic level. 522 00:32:27,070 --> 00:32:31,406 In 1998, the USDA implemented microbial testing 523 00:32:31,407 --> 00:32:35,285 for salmonella and E. COLI 0157:H7. 524 00:32:37,580 --> 00:32:42,250 The idea was that if a plant repeatedly failed these tests, 525 00:32:42,251 --> 00:32:44,002 that the USDA would shut the plant down 526 00:32:44,003 --> 00:32:47,297 because they obviously had an ongoing contamination problem. 527 00:32:48,716 --> 00:32:50,592 The meat and poultry associations 528 00:32:50,593 --> 00:32:52,844 immediately took the USDA to court. 529 00:32:54,055 --> 00:32:56,139 The courts basically said 530 00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:58,058 the USDA didn't have the authority 531 00:32:58,059 --> 00:33:00,102 to shut down the plants. 532 00:33:00,103 --> 00:33:02,104 What it meant was that 533 00:33:02,105 --> 00:33:05,357 you could have a pound of meat or poultry products 534 00:33:05,358 --> 00:33:08,819 that is a petri dish of salmonella 535 00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:11,780 and the USDA really can't do anything about it. 536 00:33:15,034 --> 00:33:18,328 A new law was introduced in direct response 537 00:33:18,329 --> 00:33:21,581 and this law became known as Kevin's Law. 538 00:33:33,011 --> 00:33:37,973 It seems like such a clear-cut, common sense type thing. 539 00:33:37,974 --> 00:33:39,975 - How are things going? - Fine fine. 540 00:33:39,976 --> 00:33:41,727 KOWALCYK: We've been working for six years 541 00:33:41,728 --> 00:33:43,812 and it still hasn't passed. 542 00:33:43,813 --> 00:33:46,231 I sense that there may be 543 00:33:46,232 --> 00:33:48,525 an opportunity... an enhanced opportunity... 544 00:33:48,526 --> 00:33:50,485 to get this signed into law this time. 545 00:33:50,486 --> 00:33:53,155 I think that from the standpoint of the consumer, 546 00:33:53,156 --> 00:33:55,449 a lot of people would support the idea 547 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:58,493 of paying a little more if they could be guaranteed 548 00:33:58,494 --> 00:34:01,079 a higher standard of safety. 549 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,290 - Kowalcyk: Yeah. - But I also know 550 00:34:03,291 --> 00:34:04,958 that there are other players 551 00:34:04,959 --> 00:34:07,836 - in the food production chain... - Kowalcyk: We know. 552 00:34:07,837 --> 00:34:10,297 ...that tend to worry about that, 553 00:34:10,298 --> 00:34:13,050 because it's gonna be seen as an add-on to their costs. 554 00:34:13,051 --> 00:34:15,385 I think the advantage here is... 555 00:34:15,386 --> 00:34:17,512 KOWALCYK: Sometimes it does feel like 556 00:34:17,513 --> 00:34:20,682 industry was more protected than my son. 557 00:34:20,683 --> 00:34:24,811 That's what motivated me to become an advocate. 558 00:34:24,812 --> 00:34:27,230 In the past year alone, there have been 559 00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:29,232 a multitude of food-borne illness outbreaks 560 00:34:29,233 --> 00:34:31,693 which have resulted in significant losses. 561 00:34:31,694 --> 00:34:33,862 Clearly our current approach 562 00:34:33,863 --> 00:34:35,614 to food oversight and protection 563 00:34:35,615 --> 00:34:38,075 is not meeting the needs of American families. 564 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,917 It's really hard for me to tell Kevin's story. 565 00:34:49,962 --> 00:34:51,963 But the only way I'm going to be able 566 00:34:51,964 --> 00:34:53,840 to prevent it from happening to other people 567 00:34:53,841 --> 00:34:57,677 is to go out there and speak about it. 568 00:35:01,724 --> 00:35:03,475 Yeah. 569 00:35:07,563 --> 00:35:10,899 Six are elementary school students, one is a sibling, 570 00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:12,734 and there's another one in another county 571 00:35:12,735 --> 00:35:14,402 in Kentucky, so... 572 00:35:18,282 --> 00:35:20,742 KOWALCYK: It will be seven years 573 00:35:20,743 --> 00:35:23,078 since my son died. 574 00:35:24,789 --> 00:35:27,040 All I wanted the company to do 575 00:35:27,041 --> 00:35:29,000 was say "We're sorry." 576 00:35:29,001 --> 00:35:31,086 We produced this defective product 577 00:35:31,087 --> 00:35:33,338 that killed your child, and this is what 578 00:35:33,339 --> 00:35:36,133 "we're going to do to make sure it doesn't happen again." 579 00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:38,802 That's all we wanted, 580 00:35:38,803 --> 00:35:40,971 and they couldn't give us that. 581 00:35:51,107 --> 00:35:53,567 POLLAN: The industrial food system is always looking 582 00:35:53,568 --> 00:35:56,862 for greater efficiency, but each new step in efficiency 583 00:35:56,863 --> 00:35:59,114 leads to problems. 584 00:35:59,115 --> 00:36:02,909 If you take feedlot cattle off of their corn diet, 585 00:36:02,910 --> 00:36:04,953 give them grass for five days, 586 00:36:04,954 --> 00:36:07,873 they will shed 80% of the E. Coli in their gut. 587 00:36:07,874 --> 00:36:09,749 But of course that's not what the industry does. 588 00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:11,209 The industry's approach is... 589 00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:13,628 when it has a systematic problem like that... 590 00:36:13,629 --> 00:36:16,715 is not to go back and see what's wrong with the system, 591 00:36:16,716 --> 00:36:20,135 it's to come up some high-tech fixes that allow the system to survive. 592 00:36:29,812 --> 00:36:31,771 MAN: The 5x5 product surge tank... 593 00:36:31,772 --> 00:36:33,773 low level. Low level. 594 00:36:33,774 --> 00:36:36,443 (MAN SPEAKS OVER RADIO) 595 00:36:36,444 --> 00:36:38,278 ELDON ROTH: This is our operations center. 596 00:36:38,279 --> 00:36:40,530 We control all of our plants from here. 597 00:36:40,531 --> 00:36:42,490 Where's Chicago? Here's Chicago, 598 00:36:42,491 --> 00:36:44,993 Georgia, Utah, Kansas, 599 00:36:44,994 --> 00:36:48,371 Nebraska, Texas, L.A., Ohio. 600 00:36:50,041 --> 00:36:52,500 We control all levels of the gearboxes, 601 00:36:52,501 --> 00:36:54,169 the speed of motors... 602 00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:56,213 we can change those all from here. 603 00:37:04,388 --> 00:37:06,389 We built something that... 604 00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:08,225 from a food-safety standpoint, 605 00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:10,518 we think we're ahead of everybody. 606 00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:14,022 We think we can lessen the incidents 607 00:37:14,023 --> 00:37:16,399 of E. COLI 0157:H7. 608 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,401 (BEEPS) 609 00:37:18,402 --> 00:37:20,528 But I just started working with ammonia 610 00:37:20,529 --> 00:37:22,239 and ammonia hydroxide. 611 00:37:23,532 --> 00:37:26,034 Ammonia kills bacteria, 612 00:37:26,035 --> 00:37:29,162 so it became a processing tool. 613 00:37:41,175 --> 00:37:43,051 I'm really a mechanic. 614 00:37:43,052 --> 00:37:44,928 That's really what I am. 615 00:37:44,929 --> 00:37:47,514 We design our own machinery. 616 00:38:00,903 --> 00:38:02,904 (WHIRRING) 617 00:38:11,497 --> 00:38:13,498 ROTH: This is our finished product. 618 00:38:24,593 --> 00:38:27,345 MAN: Is your meat in most of the hamburgers in the country? 619 00:38:27,346 --> 00:38:29,347 ROTH: 70%. 620 00:38:29,348 --> 00:38:32,976 In five years, we think we'll be in 100%. 621 00:38:32,977 --> 00:38:34,978 We do have some competitors. 622 00:38:34,979 --> 00:38:37,272 I think we're gonna beat them. 623 00:38:37,273 --> 00:38:40,650 - (BUZZES) - Roth: Again, it's a marriage 624 00:38:40,651 --> 00:38:42,610 of science and technology. 625 00:38:42,611 --> 00:38:44,612 (MAN SPEAKING OVER RADIO) 626 00:38:57,793 --> 00:39:00,587 I want dollar meal... 627 00:39:00,588 --> 00:39:04,215 - five rodeo cheeseburgers... - Woman: Five rodeos. Okay. 628 00:39:04,216 --> 00:39:06,468 ...two chicken sandwich. 629 00:39:06,469 --> 00:39:08,386 - Woman: Anything else? - Man: Two small drinks, 630 00:39:08,387 --> 00:39:10,638 and give me a large Dr. Pepper. 631 00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:12,766 - $11.48. - Thank you. 632 00:39:12,767 --> 00:39:14,768 First window. Thank you. 633 00:39:19,231 --> 00:39:21,483 MARIA GONZALEZ: We didn't even think about healthy eating 634 00:39:21,484 --> 00:39:23,568 because we used to think everything was healthy. 635 00:39:23,569 --> 00:39:25,779 - Here you go. - Thank you. 636 00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:27,989 - Have a nice day. - You too. Thank you very much. 637 00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:31,409 MARIA: Now that I know that the food is 638 00:39:31,410 --> 00:39:33,411 really unhealthy for us, 639 00:39:33,412 --> 00:39:36,581 I feel guilty giving it to my kids. 640 00:39:36,582 --> 00:39:40,293 But we don't have time to cook because we leave at 6:00. 641 00:39:40,294 --> 00:39:43,671 We don't get home until 9:00, 10:00 at night. 642 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,800 When you have only a dollar to spend 643 00:39:46,801 --> 00:39:48,802 and you have two kids to feed, 644 00:39:48,803 --> 00:39:51,054 either you go to the market 645 00:39:51,055 --> 00:39:52,931 and try to find something that's cheap 646 00:39:52,932 --> 00:39:54,974 or just go straight through a drive-thru 647 00:39:54,975 --> 00:39:57,310 and get two small hamburgers for them 648 00:39:57,311 --> 00:39:59,270 and "Okay, here. Eat them." 649 00:39:59,271 --> 00:40:01,231 This is what's gonna fill her up, 650 00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:04,067 not that one single item at the market. 651 00:40:10,032 --> 00:40:11,741 Look at the broccoli. 652 00:40:11,742 --> 00:40:13,660 It's too expensive, man. 653 00:40:16,497 --> 00:40:19,999 - What do you want to eat then? - Mama. 654 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,253 First check to see how many are there for a pound. 655 00:40:28,384 --> 00:40:30,343 - Uh, we're not getting it. - Why not? 656 00:40:30,344 --> 00:40:32,053 You'd only get two or three. 657 00:40:32,054 --> 00:40:35,056 - No. Come on. - Aww! 658 00:40:40,354 --> 00:40:43,273 MARIA: We can find candy that's cheaper. 659 00:40:43,274 --> 00:40:45,233 We can find chips that are cheaper. 660 00:40:45,234 --> 00:40:47,152 The sodas are really cheap. 661 00:40:47,153 --> 00:40:49,279 Sometimes you look at a vegetable and say. 662 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,823 "Okay, we can get two hamburgers over here 663 00:40:51,824 --> 00:40:53,324 for the same amount of price." 664 00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:56,536 POLLAN: Why is it that you can buy 665 00:40:56,537 --> 00:40:58,997 a double-cheeseburger at McDonald's for 99¢, 666 00:40:58,998 --> 00:41:01,958 and you can't even get a head of broccoli for 99¢? 667 00:41:01,959 --> 00:41:04,836 - You want the small one? - We've skewed our food system 668 00:41:04,837 --> 00:41:06,921 to the bad calories 669 00:41:06,922 --> 00:41:09,716 and it's not an accident. 670 00:41:09,717 --> 00:41:13,344 I mean, the reasons that those calories are cheaper is 671 00:41:13,345 --> 00:41:15,972 because those are the ones we're heavily subsidizing. 672 00:41:18,684 --> 00:41:21,060 And this is directly tied to the kind of agriculture 673 00:41:21,061 --> 00:41:22,562 that we're practicing 674 00:41:22,563 --> 00:41:24,689 and the kind of farm policies we have. 675 00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:26,983 All those snack-food calories are 676 00:41:26,984 --> 00:41:29,652 the ones that come from the commodity crops... 677 00:41:29,653 --> 00:41:31,488 from the wheat, from the corn 678 00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:33,198 and from the soybeans. 679 00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:35,617 By making those calories really cheap, 680 00:41:35,618 --> 00:41:38,495 that's one of the reasons that the biggest predictor 681 00:41:38,496 --> 00:41:40,163 of obesity is income level. 682 00:41:40,164 --> 00:41:42,499 Over the course of human history, 683 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,334 we were struggling to make sure we had 684 00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:46,503 enough food and enough calories 685 00:41:46,504 --> 00:41:48,880 for a sizable percentage of the human race. 686 00:41:48,881 --> 00:41:50,924 Now the problem is too many calories. 687 00:41:50,925 --> 00:41:53,551 The industry blames obesity 688 00:41:53,552 --> 00:41:55,678 on a crisis of personal responsibility. 689 00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:58,306 But when you're engineering foods 690 00:41:58,307 --> 00:42:01,017 you are pressing our evolutionary buttons. 691 00:42:01,018 --> 00:42:03,728 The fact is we're hardwired 692 00:42:03,729 --> 00:42:06,105 to go for three tastes... 693 00:42:06,106 --> 00:42:08,858 salt, fat and sugar. 694 00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:10,693 These things are very rare in nature. 695 00:42:10,694 --> 00:42:13,613 Now sugar is available 24/7 696 00:42:13,614 --> 00:42:15,365 in tremendous quantities. 697 00:42:15,366 --> 00:42:18,535 We're eating hundreds of pounds of the stuff a year. 698 00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:20,703 This diet of high-fructose corn syrup 699 00:42:20,704 --> 00:42:22,497 and refined carbohydrates 700 00:42:22,498 --> 00:42:24,541 leads to these spikes of Insulin 701 00:42:24,542 --> 00:42:27,669 and, gradually, a wearing down of the system 702 00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:29,963 by which our body metabolizes sugar. 703 00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:37,512 MARIA: My husband's diabetic. 704 00:42:37,513 --> 00:42:39,639 One of my main concerns is 705 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,891 he could lose his sight. 706 00:42:41,892 --> 00:42:46,312 He does get into... sometimes he's shaking, 707 00:42:46,313 --> 00:42:49,691 so I'm afraid that he's gonna start not being able to drive, 708 00:42:49,692 --> 00:42:51,859 'cause that's what he does for a profession. 709 00:42:51,860 --> 00:42:54,779 We have to consider his medicine. 710 00:42:54,780 --> 00:42:56,781 What is it, $70? 711 00:42:56,782 --> 00:42:59,742 50 pills costs me about $130. 712 00:42:59,743 --> 00:43:01,494 MARIA: But he's on two different types of pills. 713 00:43:01,495 --> 00:43:03,204 $100-and-something for one pill 714 00:43:03,205 --> 00:43:05,164 and then $100- and-something for another. 715 00:43:05,165 --> 00:43:07,208 That takes a lot of our income away. 716 00:43:07,209 --> 00:43:10,461 We're really tight from either 717 00:43:10,462 --> 00:43:12,589 paying for his medicine to be healthy 718 00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:16,259 or buying vegetables to be healthy. 719 00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:18,344 So which one should we do? 720 00:43:20,723 --> 00:43:23,683 It's hard to see my dad suffer with diabetes 721 00:43:23,684 --> 00:43:25,184 and stuff like that. 722 00:43:25,185 --> 00:43:28,313 And it's really sad to see that my sister might have it. 723 00:43:28,314 --> 00:43:30,398 There's something that's going on 724 00:43:30,399 --> 00:43:32,525 in the way that we live our lives, 725 00:43:32,526 --> 00:43:34,611 where we play, where we buy our food 726 00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:36,529 and the types of food that we're able to buy 727 00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:39,032 that is causing this epidemic. 728 00:43:39,033 --> 00:43:40,742 It's not just our community. 729 00:43:40,743 --> 00:43:42,619 It's not just Baldwin Park. It's everywhere. 730 00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:44,871 How many of us know one person 731 00:43:44,872 --> 00:43:46,873 in our family with diabetes? 732 00:43:48,876 --> 00:43:51,044 How about two? 733 00:43:51,045 --> 00:43:53,713 Three? Keep your hand... 734 00:43:53,714 --> 00:43:56,257 It used to be that type 2 diabetes 735 00:43:56,258 --> 00:43:58,134 only affected adults. 736 00:43:58,135 --> 00:44:01,721 And now it's affecting children at epidemic proportions. 737 00:44:03,015 --> 00:44:05,391 (KIDS LAUGHING) 738 00:44:19,156 --> 00:44:21,115 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 739 00:44:30,876 --> 00:44:32,877 (CHICKENS CLUCKING) 740 00:44:57,820 --> 00:44:59,362 JOEL SALATIN: Everything we've done 741 00:44:59,363 --> 00:45:01,155 in modern industrial agriculture 742 00:45:01,156 --> 00:45:04,784 is to grow it faster, fatter, bigger, cheaper. 743 00:45:06,203 --> 00:45:08,663 Nobody's thinking about E. Coli, 744 00:45:08,664 --> 00:45:11,958 type 2 diabetes and the ecological health 745 00:45:11,959 --> 00:45:14,127 of the whole system. 746 00:45:14,128 --> 00:45:16,546 We're outsourcing 747 00:45:16,547 --> 00:45:20,425 autonomous farmer decision making... 748 00:45:20,426 --> 00:45:22,552 we're outsourcing that to corporate boardrooms 749 00:45:22,553 --> 00:45:25,847 in big cities 1,000 miles away 750 00:45:25,848 --> 00:45:27,890 where people make decisions and don't live 751 00:45:27,891 --> 00:45:30,309 with the consequences of those decisions. 752 00:45:30,310 --> 00:45:32,311 (COWS MOOING) 753 00:45:49,246 --> 00:45:51,330 Everything is grass based. 754 00:45:51,331 --> 00:45:55,251 You know, they don't eat corn, dead cows 755 00:45:55,252 --> 00:45:58,421 or chicken manure like they feed right here in the valley... 756 00:45:58,422 --> 00:46:00,006 or dead chickens. 757 00:46:00,007 --> 00:46:04,177 They actually eat grass, forage... 758 00:46:04,178 --> 00:46:06,304 you know, clover, grass, herbs. 759 00:46:06,305 --> 00:46:07,847 They're herbivores. 760 00:46:09,141 --> 00:46:11,309 If they were eating corn, 761 00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:14,312 you're gonna have to harvest that corn, transport that corn, 762 00:46:14,313 --> 00:46:18,024 then you're gonna have to haul all that manure somewhere 763 00:46:18,025 --> 00:46:20,610 that comes out the back end. 764 00:46:20,611 --> 00:46:23,571 Here... it's... 765 00:46:23,572 --> 00:46:26,991 there... there is the whole thing. 766 00:46:26,992 --> 00:46:29,744 I mean the cow is... she's fertilizing. 767 00:46:29,745 --> 00:46:31,829 She's mowing. We don't have to spread any manure. 768 00:46:31,830 --> 00:46:34,081 We don't have to harvest it... she's harvesting it. 769 00:46:34,082 --> 00:46:37,585 It's all real time... real solar dollars. 770 00:46:39,546 --> 00:46:41,464 The industrial food system 771 00:46:41,465 --> 00:46:44,884 gradually became so noisy, smelly, 772 00:46:44,885 --> 00:46:47,220 not a person-friendly place, 773 00:46:47,221 --> 00:46:49,680 that the people who operate those plants 774 00:46:49,681 --> 00:46:51,349 don't want anybody to go there, 775 00:46:51,350 --> 00:46:53,684 because then people would see the ugly truth. 776 00:46:55,187 --> 00:46:56,896 When that occurred, 777 00:46:56,897 --> 00:46:59,357 then we lost all the integrity 778 00:46:59,358 --> 00:47:02,568 and all the accountability in the food system. 779 00:47:04,279 --> 00:47:06,072 If we put glass walls 780 00:47:06,073 --> 00:47:09,242 on all the megaprocessing facilities, 781 00:47:09,243 --> 00:47:12,370 we would have a different food system in this country. 782 00:47:12,371 --> 00:47:13,871 (KNIFE ZINGING) 783 00:47:16,333 --> 00:47:18,835 - (CLUCKING) - (PEOPLE CHATTING) 784 00:47:42,401 --> 00:47:44,360 SALATIN: We have allowed ourselves 785 00:47:44,361 --> 00:47:47,363 to become so disconnected and ignorant 786 00:47:47,364 --> 00:47:51,784 - about something that is as intimate... - (WHIRRING) 787 00:47:51,785 --> 00:47:53,953 - ...as the food that we eat. - (BUBBLING) 788 00:47:55,789 --> 00:47:58,040 What a difference this is to be out here 789 00:47:58,041 --> 00:47:59,917 in the fresh air, sunshine, 790 00:47:59,918 --> 00:48:01,794 birds singing in the trees, you know? 791 00:48:01,795 --> 00:48:04,755 But you see, according to the U.S.D.A, 792 00:48:04,756 --> 00:48:06,215 this is unsanitary 793 00:48:06,216 --> 00:48:08,175 because it's open to the air. 794 00:48:08,176 --> 00:48:09,635 They tried to close us down. 795 00:48:09,636 --> 00:48:12,054 One of the biggest showdowns we had was 796 00:48:12,055 --> 00:48:13,764 when they tried to close us down 797 00:48:13,765 --> 00:48:16,100 because this was unsanitary. 798 00:48:16,101 --> 00:48:17,935 Can you imagine? 799 00:48:17,936 --> 00:48:21,480 So we had them cultured at a local microbiology lab. 800 00:48:23,650 --> 00:48:28,487 Ours averaged 133 C.F.U. 801 00:48:28,488 --> 00:48:30,865 and the ones from the store 802 00:48:30,866 --> 00:48:33,159 averaged 3600. 803 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,913 Of course, those have been through 40 trillion baths. 804 00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:39,498 Ours haven't seen any chlorine. 805 00:48:40,876 --> 00:48:43,502 A lot of people wonder "Is this real?" 806 00:48:43,503 --> 00:48:45,671 I mean, can you really feed the world?" 807 00:48:45,672 --> 00:48:49,133 That whole thing is such a specious argument 808 00:48:49,134 --> 00:48:53,262 because, yes, 809 00:48:53,263 --> 00:48:54,680 we're every bit as efficient, 810 00:48:54,681 --> 00:48:57,141 especially if you plug in 811 00:48:57,142 --> 00:49:00,019 all of the inefficiencies of the industrial system. 812 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,940 I've had people come up at farmer's markets 813 00:49:03,941 --> 00:49:08,319 and say "What? $3 a dozen for eggs?" 814 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,864 And they're drinking a 75¢ can of soda. 815 00:49:16,036 --> 00:49:19,413 Hey, pig. Hey, piggies. 816 00:49:19,414 --> 00:49:21,707 (SNORTING) 817 00:49:21,708 --> 00:49:23,417 Hey, pigs. 818 00:49:25,087 --> 00:49:29,715 I'm always struck by how successful we have been 819 00:49:29,716 --> 00:49:32,593 at hitting the bull's-eye of the wrong target. 820 00:49:34,596 --> 00:49:36,889 I mean we have learned... for example, 821 00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:40,267 in cattle we have learned how to... 822 00:49:40,268 --> 00:49:43,688 how to plant, 823 00:49:43,689 --> 00:49:45,815 fertilize and harvest corn 824 00:49:45,816 --> 00:49:48,693 using global positioning satellite technology, 825 00:49:48,694 --> 00:49:52,071 and nobody sits back and asks. 826 00:49:52,072 --> 00:49:54,907 "But should we be feeding cows corn?" 827 00:49:54,908 --> 00:49:58,911 We've become a culture of technicians. 828 00:49:58,912 --> 00:50:00,955 We're all into... 829 00:50:00,956 --> 00:50:03,582 we're all into the how of it 830 00:50:03,583 --> 00:50:05,876 and nobody's stepping back 831 00:50:05,877 --> 00:50:07,795 and saying "But why?" 832 00:50:07,796 --> 00:50:10,381 (LAUGHS) 833 00:50:10,382 --> 00:50:12,591 I mean, a culture that just views a pig 834 00:50:12,592 --> 00:50:15,261 as a pile of protoplasmic inanimate structure 835 00:50:15,262 --> 00:50:17,930 to be manipulated by whatever creative design 836 00:50:17,931 --> 00:50:20,891 that humans can foist on that critter 837 00:50:20,892 --> 00:50:23,144 will probably view 838 00:50:23,145 --> 00:50:25,229 individuals within its community 839 00:50:25,230 --> 00:50:28,399 and other cultures in the community of nations 840 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,651 with the same type of disdain, 841 00:50:30,652 --> 00:50:32,528 disrespect 842 00:50:32,529 --> 00:50:34,905 and controlling-type mentality. 843 00:50:54,593 --> 00:50:56,594 (SNORTING) 844 00:51:00,849 --> 00:51:03,017 EDUARDO PEÑA: The town where the plant is located 845 00:51:03,018 --> 00:51:05,269 is a small town called Tar Heel 846 00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:08,606 in the middle of a very economically-depressed area. 847 00:51:12,235 --> 00:51:14,195 Smithfield has mastered 848 00:51:14,196 --> 00:51:16,655 the art of picking and choosing 849 00:51:16,656 --> 00:51:19,158 a workforce that they can exploit, 850 00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:22,328 initially from the local workforce... 851 00:51:22,329 --> 00:51:25,915 the poor whites, the poor black. 852 00:51:25,916 --> 00:51:28,876 They went through that workforce very quickly. 853 00:51:30,253 --> 00:51:32,880 Now they have to bus their workers 854 00:51:32,881 --> 00:51:36,050 all the way from Dentsville, South Carolina, 855 00:51:36,051 --> 00:51:38,010 to Clinton, North Carolina. 856 00:51:38,011 --> 00:51:42,348 You have to draw a circle 100 miles in diameter, 857 00:51:42,349 --> 00:51:45,684 and that's where all of your workers are coming from. 858 00:51:45,685 --> 00:51:49,772 (PEOPLE CHATTING) 859 00:51:53,485 --> 00:51:55,861 MAN: They have the same mentality towards workers 860 00:51:55,862 --> 00:51:57,363 as they do towards the hogs. 861 00:51:57,364 --> 00:52:00,491 (SQUEALING) 862 00:52:00,492 --> 00:52:04,829 MAN: You know, the hog, they don't really have to worry about their comfort 863 00:52:04,830 --> 00:52:06,914 because they're temporary. They're gonna be killed. 864 00:52:08,542 --> 00:52:11,502 And they have the same viewpoint to the worker. 865 00:52:11,503 --> 00:52:13,671 You're not worried about the longevity of the worker 866 00:52:13,672 --> 00:52:16,465 because, to them, everything has an end. 867 00:52:23,974 --> 00:52:26,475 - (CLICKS, WHIRRING) - (SQUEALING) 868 00:52:37,612 --> 00:52:40,447 MAN: When you've got 2000 hogs an hour going through 869 00:52:40,448 --> 00:52:43,993 employees, because they're handling these guts so much, 870 00:52:43,994 --> 00:52:46,453 they get infections in their fingernails and all. 871 00:52:46,454 --> 00:52:48,289 All their fingernails separate from their fingers. 872 00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:52,585 MAN #2: You're covered with blood, feces, urine. 873 00:52:52,586 --> 00:52:54,420 It's easy to get hurt down there. 874 00:52:54,421 --> 00:52:56,380 MAN: You're doing that same movement 875 00:52:56,381 --> 00:52:58,048 for that same piece of the hog 876 00:52:58,049 --> 00:53:00,217 and it's nonstop, you know. 877 00:53:00,218 --> 00:53:03,262 Basically you're treated as a human machine. 878 00:53:03,263 --> 00:53:05,848 MAN #3: You get people that can't afford 879 00:53:05,849 --> 00:53:07,933 to leave from out there, and Smithfield knows this. 880 00:53:07,934 --> 00:53:10,519 And that's what they hold over you. 881 00:53:17,027 --> 00:53:18,777 SCHLOSSER: 100 years ago 882 00:53:18,778 --> 00:53:20,905 when Upton Sinclair wrote "The Jungle" 883 00:53:20,906 --> 00:53:23,616 there was a beef trust that wielded enormous power. 884 00:53:25,368 --> 00:53:28,621 Immigrants from Eastern Europe were being abused 885 00:53:28,622 --> 00:53:31,874 in the absence of any kind of government regulation. 886 00:53:31,875 --> 00:53:35,211 There were horrible disfiguring injuries 887 00:53:35,212 --> 00:53:36,837 and even deaths. 888 00:53:39,633 --> 00:53:43,177 POLLAN: Things got better. They slowly got better. 889 00:53:44,638 --> 00:53:47,139 SCHLOSSER: Teddy Roosevelt took on the beef trust. 890 00:53:47,140 --> 00:53:51,810 Labor unions slowly organized meatpacking workers 891 00:53:51,811 --> 00:53:54,980 and turned it into one of the best industrial jobs 892 00:53:54,981 --> 00:53:56,649 in the United States. 893 00:53:57,859 --> 00:54:01,153 By the 1950s to be a meatpacking worker 894 00:54:01,154 --> 00:54:03,405 was like being an auto worker 895 00:54:03,406 --> 00:54:07,534 who has a good wage, good benefits, pension. 896 00:54:07,535 --> 00:54:10,120 And then what happened? 897 00:54:10,121 --> 00:54:12,414 Well, the meat-packing companies got bigger 898 00:54:12,415 --> 00:54:15,334 in order to serve the needs of the fast-food industry, 899 00:54:15,335 --> 00:54:17,503 which was its biggest customer. 900 00:54:17,504 --> 00:54:20,172 Some of the meat-packing companies like IBP 901 00:54:20,173 --> 00:54:22,758 borrowed the same sort of labor practices 902 00:54:22,759 --> 00:54:24,343 from the fast food industry... 903 00:54:24,344 --> 00:54:27,513 cutting wages, making sure there were no unions, 904 00:54:27,514 --> 00:54:29,181 speeding up production, 905 00:54:29,182 --> 00:54:31,475 and having the worker do the same task 906 00:54:31,476 --> 00:54:33,686 again and again and again. 907 00:54:33,687 --> 00:54:35,980 And meat-packing is now 908 00:54:35,981 --> 00:54:38,899 one of the most dangerous jobs in the United States. 909 00:54:41,319 --> 00:54:43,362 The meat-packing industry also recruited 910 00:54:43,363 --> 00:54:45,906 a new set of immigrants... illegal immigrants 911 00:54:45,907 --> 00:54:48,325 and recent immigrants from Mexico. 912 00:54:50,412 --> 00:54:53,372 Many of the illegal immigrants coming to America 913 00:54:53,373 --> 00:54:56,041 were corn farmers in Mexico. 914 00:54:56,042 --> 00:54:59,712 NAFTA led to a flooding of the Mexican market 915 00:54:59,713 --> 00:55:02,172 with cheap American corn. 916 00:55:02,173 --> 00:55:06,719 It's put more than a million and a half Mexican farmers out of work. 917 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:09,430 They couldn't compete with this cheap corn coming from America. 918 00:55:09,431 --> 00:55:11,390 (YELLING) 919 00:55:11,391 --> 00:55:14,768 POLLAN: So what happens to those million and a half Mexican farmers? 920 00:55:15,770 --> 00:55:17,938 SCHLOSSER: Meat packers like IBP, 921 00:55:17,939 --> 00:55:19,732 National Beef and Monfort 922 00:55:19,733 --> 00:55:22,526 began actively recruiting in Mexico. 923 00:55:23,778 --> 00:55:26,155 Companies advertised on the radio 924 00:55:26,156 --> 00:55:27,614 and in newspapers. 925 00:55:27,615 --> 00:55:30,909 IBP set up a bus service 926 00:55:30,910 --> 00:55:34,038 in Mexico to bring workers into the United States. 927 00:55:36,291 --> 00:55:38,959 For years the government turned a blind eye 928 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,461 to the recruitment of immigrants 929 00:55:40,462 --> 00:55:42,296 by the meat-packing industry. 930 00:55:42,297 --> 00:55:44,923 But now, when there's an anti-immigrant movement, 931 00:55:44,924 --> 00:55:46,550 they're cracking down all of a sudden, 932 00:55:46,551 --> 00:55:48,802 but they're not cracking down on these companies. 933 00:55:48,803 --> 00:55:51,513 The government's cracking down on the workers. 934 00:56:01,941 --> 00:56:03,942 (CLEARS THROAT) 935 00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:14,161 PEÑA: Immigration agents are arresting Smithfield workers 936 00:56:14,162 --> 00:56:17,164 - at this trailer park. - (PEOPLE CHATTING) 937 00:56:17,165 --> 00:56:18,999 PEÑA: This is an agreement 938 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,293 between Smithfield and Immigrations authorities. 939 00:56:21,294 --> 00:56:23,962 They get rid of 15 workers per day, 940 00:56:23,963 --> 00:56:26,298 but you don't see any massive raids. 941 00:56:26,299 --> 00:56:28,801 That way it doesn't affect the production line. 942 00:56:28,802 --> 00:56:30,803 - (DOOR CLOSES) - (ENGINE STARTS) 943 00:56:37,477 --> 00:56:41,355 - (PEÑA SPEAKING SPANISH) - (CAR HONKING) 944 00:56:41,356 --> 00:56:44,691 - Sir, we are trying... - She asked me a question. 945 00:56:44,692 --> 00:56:46,527 She is asking us questions, not you. 946 00:56:48,822 --> 00:56:51,907 I don't see anybody arresting no Smithfield managers. 947 00:56:51,908 --> 00:56:54,201 Nobody in the plant that had anything to do 948 00:56:54,202 --> 00:56:55,869 with the fact that those workers were hired 949 00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:57,329 is being arrested. 950 00:56:57,330 --> 00:56:59,832 What we see today is workers 951 00:56:59,833 --> 00:57:01,875 who were producing for this company and working hard... 952 00:57:01,876 --> 00:57:03,877 those are the people who get arrested. 953 00:57:07,715 --> 00:57:09,716 (MAN YELLING IN SPANISH) 954 00:57:20,103 --> 00:57:22,604 PEÑA: We want to pay the cheapest price for our food. 955 00:57:22,605 --> 00:57:25,190 We don't understand that that comes at a price. 956 00:57:26,693 --> 00:57:30,362 These workers, they've been here for 10, 15 years 957 00:57:30,363 --> 00:57:34,658 processing your bacon, your holiday ham 958 00:57:34,659 --> 00:57:37,744 and now they're getting picked up like they're criminals. 959 00:57:37,745 --> 00:57:39,163 (CAR STARTS) 960 00:57:39,164 --> 00:57:42,249 And these companies are making billions of dollars. 961 00:58:11,112 --> 00:58:13,655 SALATIN: Is cheapness everything that there is? 962 00:58:13,656 --> 00:58:16,283 Who wants to buy the cheapest car? 963 00:58:16,284 --> 00:58:18,785 We're willing to subsidize 964 00:58:18,786 --> 00:58:21,622 the food system to create the "mystique" 965 00:58:21,623 --> 00:58:23,582 of cheap food, 966 00:58:23,583 --> 00:58:26,793 when actually it's very expensive food 967 00:58:26,794 --> 00:58:29,713 when you add up the environmental costs 968 00:58:29,714 --> 00:58:32,758 societal costs, health costs. 969 00:58:34,469 --> 00:58:37,471 The industrial food is not honest food. 970 00:58:37,472 --> 00:58:40,182 It's not priced honestly. It's not produced honestly. 971 00:58:40,183 --> 00:58:41,808 It's not processed honestly. 972 00:58:41,809 --> 00:58:44,811 There's nothing honest about that food. 973 00:58:46,773 --> 00:58:50,234 I can't think of a better use for a Smithfield box. 974 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,863 MAN: It was about a five-hour drive 975 00:58:54,864 --> 00:58:56,990 maybe 300, 400 miles. 976 00:58:56,991 --> 00:58:59,076 So yeah. 977 00:58:59,077 --> 00:59:00,827 It's worth it. 978 00:59:03,540 --> 00:59:06,833 SALATIN: I have no desire to scale up or get bigger. 979 00:59:08,169 --> 00:59:11,046 My desire is to produce the best food in the world 980 00:59:11,047 --> 00:59:13,090 and heal. 981 00:59:13,091 --> 00:59:15,551 And if in doing so 982 00:59:15,552 --> 00:59:20,180 more people come to our corner and want stuff, 983 00:59:20,181 --> 00:59:23,517 then heaven help me figure out how to meet the need 984 00:59:23,518 --> 00:59:25,352 without compromising the integrity. 985 00:59:25,353 --> 00:59:26,895 That... that's where I am. 986 00:59:26,896 --> 00:59:30,774 I have absolutely no desire 987 00:59:30,775 --> 00:59:33,110 to be at Wal-Mart. 988 00:59:33,111 --> 00:59:37,739 As soon as you grasp for that growth, 989 00:59:37,740 --> 00:59:40,409 you're gonna view your customer differently, 990 00:59:40,410 --> 00:59:42,202 you're gonna view your product differently, 991 00:59:42,203 --> 00:59:44,288 you're gonna view your business differently. 992 00:59:44,289 --> 00:59:48,292 You're gonna view everything that is the most important... 993 00:59:48,293 --> 00:59:50,127 you're gonna view that differently. 994 00:59:50,128 --> 00:59:52,129 (SNORTING) 995 00:59:55,550 --> 00:59:57,551 (PEOPLE CHATTING) 996 01:00:05,852 --> 01:00:08,103 This is our new organic line of popcorn. 997 01:00:08,104 --> 01:00:10,022 This is Vitasoy soy milk, 998 01:00:10,023 --> 01:00:11,732 the best soy milk in the entire world. 999 01:00:12,859 --> 01:00:15,485 This entire show when it first started 1000 01:00:15,486 --> 01:00:17,487 was the size of this column right here. 1001 01:00:17,488 --> 01:00:18,822 MAN: Uh-huh. 1002 01:00:18,823 --> 01:00:20,949 Several of us were sleeping in our booths. 1003 01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:22,576 We couldn't afford hotel rooms. 1004 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,622 Organic's been growing over 20% annually. 1005 01:00:26,623 --> 01:00:30,584 It's one of the fastest-growing segments in the food industry. 1006 01:00:30,585 --> 01:00:32,085 My God! Ah! 1007 01:00:32,086 --> 01:00:33,670 We're not gonna get rid of capitalism. 1008 01:00:33,671 --> 01:00:35,589 Certainly we're not gonna get rid of it 1009 01:00:35,590 --> 01:00:38,675 in the time that we need to arrest global warming 1010 01:00:38,676 --> 01:00:40,927 and reverse the toxification 1011 01:00:40,928 --> 01:00:42,971 of our air, our food and our water. 1012 01:00:42,972 --> 01:00:44,890 We need to be much more urgent. 1013 01:00:44,891 --> 01:00:48,435 If we attempt to make perfect the enemy of the good 1014 01:00:48,436 --> 01:00:50,187 and say we're only going to buy food 1015 01:00:50,188 --> 01:00:52,773 from the most-perfect system 1016 01:00:52,774 --> 01:00:55,609 within 100 miles of us, we're never gonna get there. 1017 01:01:00,448 --> 01:01:02,741 As an environmentalist, it was pretty clear to me 1018 01:01:02,742 --> 01:01:04,910 that business was the source of all the pollution, 1019 01:01:04,911 --> 01:01:07,537 business was the source of basically all the things 1020 01:01:07,538 --> 01:01:09,706 that were destroying this world. 1021 01:01:13,211 --> 01:01:16,296 In college I came across this little institute 1022 01:01:16,297 --> 01:01:17,839 called New Alchemy Institute, 1023 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,967 which was a group of renegade biologists. 1024 01:01:20,968 --> 01:01:22,969 My hope is to give you... 1025 01:01:22,970 --> 01:01:26,973 HIRSHBERG: We were preaching a kind of a new religion, 1026 01:01:26,974 --> 01:01:30,644 trying to develop food and waste-treatment alternatives, 1027 01:01:30,645 --> 01:01:32,729 but we were preaching to the convinced. 1028 01:01:32,730 --> 01:01:37,067 We were depending on sources of support that were dried up 1029 01:01:37,068 --> 01:01:39,152 and we weren't reaching the audience 1030 01:01:39,153 --> 01:01:41,446 that really needed these messages. 1031 01:01:41,447 --> 01:01:45,701 I realized we need to not be David 1032 01:01:45,702 --> 01:01:48,495 up against Goliath. We need to be Goliath. 1033 01:01:50,540 --> 01:01:52,541 (CLACKING) 1034 01:01:59,549 --> 01:02:03,301 HIRSHBERG: When we started out, we were a seven-cow farm. 1035 01:02:03,302 --> 01:02:08,014 We wanted to prove that business could be part of the solution 1036 01:02:08,015 --> 01:02:09,975 to the globe's environmental problems. 1037 01:02:09,976 --> 01:02:11,935 At the same time we had to prove 1038 01:02:11,936 --> 01:02:13,812 that we could be highly profitable. 1039 01:02:16,566 --> 01:02:19,109 Today in 2008, not only are 1040 01:02:19,110 --> 01:02:21,820 we the #3 yogurt brand in America, 1041 01:02:21,821 --> 01:02:23,822 but we're among the most profitable. 1042 01:02:34,667 --> 01:02:36,626 See, this is the interesting thing. 1043 01:02:36,627 --> 01:02:38,587 A little company like this is now Kraft, 1044 01:02:38,588 --> 01:02:40,630 but you don't have any idea that it's Kraft. 1045 01:02:40,631 --> 01:02:43,717 This is now Pepsi. That's now Kellogg's. 1046 01:02:43,718 --> 01:02:46,136 - Man: Kashi is Kellogg's? - Yeah. 1047 01:02:46,137 --> 01:02:49,139 - This is Colgate now. - Oh, is it? 1048 01:02:49,140 --> 01:02:52,476 Yeah, this is one of those companies that started like us. 1049 01:02:55,313 --> 01:02:57,314 - Well, it's... - Make them different? 1050 01:02:57,315 --> 01:02:59,316 Make them successful, basically. 1051 01:02:59,317 --> 01:03:03,487 The jury is out. I have to put it that way. 1052 01:03:04,489 --> 01:03:07,407 HIRSHBERG: These large companies don't grow organically. 1053 01:03:07,408 --> 01:03:09,743 They grow by acquisition. 1054 01:03:09,744 --> 01:03:12,370 Coke, Pepsi, Kellogg's, General Mills... 1055 01:03:12,371 --> 01:03:14,039 all of them are running, 1056 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,082 not walking, into the organic food business. 1057 01:03:24,342 --> 01:03:27,344 HIRSHBERG: For me, when a Wal-Mart enters the organic space, 1058 01:03:27,345 --> 01:03:29,930 I'm thrilled. It's absolutely one of the most exciting things. 1059 01:03:29,931 --> 01:03:32,057 I have dreamed of the day 1060 01:03:32,058 --> 01:03:34,059 when I could sit with corporate titans 1061 01:03:34,060 --> 01:03:36,228 and have conversations 1062 01:03:36,229 --> 01:03:38,230 about organics and sustainability. 1063 01:03:38,231 --> 01:03:40,941 - This is Amanda. This is Rand. - Hi Amanda. I'm Rand. 1064 01:03:40,942 --> 01:03:43,151 - Rand, nice to meet you. - Tony. 1065 01:03:43,152 --> 01:03:44,736 - Tony. Great. - Nice to meet you. 1066 01:03:44,737 --> 01:03:47,030 Okay, help me figure out where... 1067 01:03:47,031 --> 01:03:49,449 - We both work for Wal-Mart. - You're with Wal-Mart. 1068 01:03:49,450 --> 01:03:50,617 Yup. 1069 01:03:50,618 --> 01:03:52,160 Do you know that we don't go to Wal-Mart? 1070 01:03:52,161 --> 01:03:54,037 - We've never been. - Rand: Oh yeah. 1071 01:03:54,038 --> 01:03:56,915 - Isn't that amazing? - So we had to come to you. 1072 01:03:56,916 --> 01:03:58,834 Yeah, we've never been. 1073 01:03:58,835 --> 01:04:00,544 We just started boycotting a long time ago 1074 01:04:00,545 --> 01:04:03,213 and we just kept riding on that. 1075 01:04:03,214 --> 01:04:05,924 HIRSHBERG: Wal-Mart is terribly sensitive 1076 01:04:05,925 --> 01:04:07,425 to their reputation. 1077 01:04:07,426 --> 01:04:09,928 They've obviously been vilified, 1078 01:04:09,929 --> 01:04:12,055 probably more than any retailer 1079 01:04:12,056 --> 01:04:14,057 in our current economy. 1080 01:04:14,058 --> 01:04:16,434 Actually, it's a pretty easy decision 1081 01:04:16,435 --> 01:04:19,980 to try to support things like organic, or whatever it might be, 1082 01:04:19,981 --> 01:04:22,399 based on what the customer wants. 1083 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,442 We see that and react to it. 1084 01:04:24,443 --> 01:04:27,153 So if it's clear the customer wants it, 1085 01:04:27,154 --> 01:04:29,614 it's really easy to get behind it, 1086 01:04:29,615 --> 01:04:31,335 to push forward and try to make that happen. 1087 01:04:32,910 --> 01:04:35,579 HIRSHBERG: When I run into my old environmental friends, 1088 01:04:35,580 --> 01:04:38,290 many are initially horrified 1089 01:04:38,291 --> 01:04:42,210 by the kinds of company that I'm keeping these days. 1090 01:04:42,211 --> 01:04:44,963 But when I then go on to explain 1091 01:04:44,964 --> 01:04:47,966 what the impact of one purchase order from Wal-Mart is, 1092 01:04:47,967 --> 01:04:51,136 in terms of not pounds but tons of pesticide, 1093 01:04:51,137 --> 01:04:53,889 tons of herbicide, tons of chemical fertilizer, 1094 01:04:53,890 --> 01:04:57,100 the discussion... we get away from the emotion 1095 01:04:57,101 --> 01:04:59,144 and we get down to the facts. 1096 01:04:59,145 --> 01:05:02,314 This is really key, though, what you guys are doing here. 1097 01:05:06,152 --> 01:05:08,320 I have no illusions about this. 1098 01:05:08,321 --> 01:05:10,155 I don't believe that Wal-Mart has come here 1099 01:05:10,156 --> 01:05:13,199 because they've suddenly had a moral enlightenment. 1100 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,827 It's because of economics. 1101 01:05:15,828 --> 01:05:18,788 I can debate with my radical friends all day long, 1102 01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:21,041 but nobody can challenge the fact 1103 01:05:21,042 --> 01:05:23,835 that a sale of another million dollars to Wal-Mart 1104 01:05:23,836 --> 01:05:25,587 helps to save the world. 1105 01:05:34,305 --> 01:05:36,640 POLLAN: Back around the turn of the last century, 1106 01:05:36,641 --> 01:05:39,184 the average farmer could feed six or eight people. 1107 01:05:41,354 --> 01:05:43,855 Now the average American farmer 1108 01:05:43,856 --> 01:05:47,025 can feed 126 people, okay? 1109 01:05:47,026 --> 01:05:49,986 These are the most productive humans that have ever lived. 1110 01:05:51,864 --> 01:05:54,115 The changes down on the farm have been 1111 01:05:54,116 --> 01:05:56,493 momentous and radical but invisible to most of us, 1112 01:05:56,494 --> 01:05:58,119 'cause who knows a farmer anymore? 1113 01:05:59,163 --> 01:06:00,914 But their way of life 1114 01:06:00,915 --> 01:06:03,833 has been revolutionized. 1115 01:06:26,732 --> 01:06:28,566 ROUSH: 10,000 years ago, 1116 01:06:28,567 --> 01:06:30,276 farmers started saving their best seeds 1117 01:06:30,277 --> 01:06:32,445 and planted again in the following year. 1118 01:06:32,446 --> 01:06:34,698 That's how seeds have been developed. 1119 01:06:34,699 --> 01:06:36,324 That's how corn was developed 1120 01:06:36,325 --> 01:06:38,743 from a useless grass for the most part 1121 01:06:38,744 --> 01:06:41,371 to the extremely productive plant it is today. 1122 01:06:42,873 --> 01:06:45,333 POLLAN: The idea that any corporation could own a food crop 1123 01:06:45,334 --> 01:06:48,503 is a very new idea. It wasn't until the 1980s 1124 01:06:48,504 --> 01:06:51,256 that the Supreme Court said you could patent life. 1125 01:06:51,257 --> 01:06:52,674 And that opened the floodgates... 1126 01:06:52,675 --> 01:06:55,427 efforts to patent the most valuable parts of life, 1127 01:06:55,428 --> 01:06:57,929 which is to say the crops on which we depend. 1128 01:06:59,098 --> 01:07:01,599 ROUSH: Monsanto is a chemical company. 1129 01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,687 They produced DDT, Agent Orange in Vietnam, 1130 01:07:05,688 --> 01:07:08,023 and then they developed a product called "Roundup." 1131 01:07:10,359 --> 01:07:14,195 We started hearing rumblings about genetically-engineered soybeans 1132 01:07:14,196 --> 01:07:16,948 that could resist the application of Roundup. 1133 01:07:16,949 --> 01:07:18,992 When the Roundup was sprayed over top of it, 1134 01:07:18,993 --> 01:07:20,410 it killed every weed out there 1135 01:07:20,411 --> 01:07:22,662 except for this Roundup Ready soybean. 1136 01:07:39,555 --> 01:07:42,015 ROUSH: I can remember when the first prohibition 1137 01:07:42,016 --> 01:07:44,225 against seed saving came into being. 1138 01:07:44,226 --> 01:07:46,436 Most farmers were just 1139 01:07:46,437 --> 01:07:50,065 absolutely disgusted with the whole concept. 1140 01:07:50,066 --> 01:07:52,400 It's been interesting over the course 1141 01:07:52,401 --> 01:07:54,903 of 11 years to watch us go 1142 01:07:54,904 --> 01:07:56,905 from utter contempt for the notion 1143 01:07:56,906 --> 01:07:58,948 that we can't save our own seed 1144 01:07:58,949 --> 01:08:00,784 to acceptance. 1145 01:08:00,785 --> 01:08:03,161 MAN: What happens if a farmer 1146 01:08:03,162 --> 01:08:05,413 saves the seeds? 1147 01:08:05,414 --> 01:08:08,041 (CHUCKLES) 1148 01:08:08,042 --> 01:08:10,418 Well, you know, really there's 1149 01:08:10,419 --> 01:08:12,420 only one company involved in this now 1150 01:08:12,421 --> 01:08:14,255 and that's Monsanto. 1151 01:08:17,426 --> 01:08:19,302 Monsanto is... 1152 01:08:26,102 --> 01:08:28,311 They've got a team of private investigators 1153 01:08:28,312 --> 01:08:30,188 that kind of roam the country 1154 01:08:30,189 --> 01:08:32,273 and they've got a little 1-800 hotline 1155 01:08:32,274 --> 01:08:35,735 they take calls on. If they get a call 1156 01:08:35,736 --> 01:08:38,196 and somebody alleges that somebody saved seed, 1157 01:08:38,197 --> 01:08:41,533 they'll send an investigator out to look into the matter. 1158 01:08:45,913 --> 01:08:47,914 If you save your own seed, you're gonna get a call 1159 01:08:47,915 --> 01:08:49,666 from somebody from Monsanto. 1160 01:09:11,522 --> 01:09:13,982 DAVID RUNYON: Two men drove in my driveway 1161 01:09:13,983 --> 01:09:15,608 at 7:00, 7:30 at night, 1162 01:09:15,609 --> 01:09:17,277 presented a black card to me 1163 01:09:17,278 --> 01:09:20,446 and they never told me that they were from Monsanto. 1164 01:09:20,447 --> 01:09:23,867 MAN: They said that they had had a surveillance team, 1165 01:09:23,868 --> 01:09:25,702 caught me cleaning beans. 1166 01:09:27,872 --> 01:09:29,497 MOE PARR: I found it necessary to get up 1167 01:09:29,498 --> 01:09:31,166 at 3:00 and 4:00 in the morning 1168 01:09:31,167 --> 01:09:35,837 before the investigators are on the road following me. 1169 01:09:35,838 --> 01:09:37,589 RUNYON: They were... 1170 01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:40,550 I'm gonna say maybe ex-military or ex-police. 1171 01:09:40,551 --> 01:09:43,344 They were large and they were intimidating. 1172 01:09:43,345 --> 01:09:46,598 MAN: I don't know whether they had their surveillance team 1173 01:09:46,599 --> 01:09:50,185 or whether it was my neighbor that turned me in. I don't know. 1174 01:09:50,186 --> 01:09:52,187 Now as I turned to walk in the house, one of them said... 1175 01:09:52,188 --> 01:09:54,439 I could hear in the back... "He's guilty." 1176 01:10:23,385 --> 01:10:27,764 RUNYON: It's a real ingenious device designed back in the 1800s, 1177 01:10:27,765 --> 01:10:31,392 and Monsanto's gonna close all of them out. 1178 01:10:39,193 --> 01:10:41,027 So how many seed cleaners are out there 1179 01:10:41,028 --> 01:10:42,487 in the country do you think? 1180 01:10:42,488 --> 01:10:45,198 In the state of Indiana, there may be six. 1181 01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:47,075 Maybe. I'm not aware of... 1182 01:10:47,076 --> 01:10:50,578 - How many there used to be? - Oh my golly. Every county had three. 1183 01:10:50,579 --> 01:10:52,413 Have they all been put out of business? 1184 01:10:52,414 --> 01:10:53,915 There's nobody left. 1185 01:11:01,423 --> 01:11:04,926 RUNYON: When Monsanto soybeans first came on the market, 1186 01:11:04,927 --> 01:11:06,970 I just never really switched over. 1187 01:11:08,013 --> 01:11:09,806 I was getting pretty good yield 1188 01:11:09,807 --> 01:11:11,391 with the conventional soybeans I'd been using, 1189 01:11:11,392 --> 01:11:14,102 so I thought "Well, I'll just stay where I'm at." 1190 01:11:20,943 --> 01:11:23,903 My neighbors all around me are all GMOs. 1191 01:11:23,904 --> 01:11:26,864 If the pollen goes in, if the seed moves in, 1192 01:11:26,865 --> 01:11:29,534 I am still held accountable. 1193 01:11:36,417 --> 01:11:40,086 POLLAN: When you genetically modify a crop, you own it. 1194 01:11:40,087 --> 01:11:42,630 We've never had this in agriculture. 1195 01:11:45,134 --> 01:11:48,011 ROUSH: Used to be that your land-grant universities, 1196 01:11:48,012 --> 01:11:50,471 they developed what was called public seed. 1197 01:11:50,472 --> 01:11:53,057 The vast majority of the plant breeding 1198 01:11:53,058 --> 01:11:55,184 was actually done in these public institutions. 1199 01:11:55,185 --> 01:11:58,104 POLLAN: Monsanto is very much like Microsoft. 1200 01:11:58,105 --> 01:12:00,773 The same way Microsoft owns the intellectual property 1201 01:12:00,774 --> 01:12:03,151 behind most computers in America, 1202 01:12:03,152 --> 01:12:05,695 they set out to own the intellectual property 1203 01:12:05,696 --> 01:12:08,114 behind most of the food in America. 1204 01:12:08,115 --> 01:12:11,117 ROUSH: Public plant breeding is a thing of the past. 1205 01:12:11,118 --> 01:12:14,162 There virtually are no public seeds anymore. 1206 01:12:17,124 --> 01:12:19,208 RUNYON: There's only like four or five varieties 1207 01:12:19,209 --> 01:12:20,960 that I can actually plant. 1208 01:12:20,961 --> 01:12:22,795 Now I have some of the last soybeans 1209 01:12:22,796 --> 01:12:24,672 coming out of the state of Illinois... 1210 01:12:24,673 --> 01:12:27,675 - That are not GMO. - Public variety. Public variety. 1211 01:12:27,676 --> 01:12:31,763 When it comes to the point that I can't buy any more certified seed, 1212 01:12:31,764 --> 01:12:34,557 what do I do? What are my options? 1213 01:12:38,145 --> 01:12:40,730 I acquired this list that was mailed to me. 1214 01:12:40,731 --> 01:12:44,984 The black list here is Monsanto's unauthorized growers list. 1215 01:12:44,985 --> 01:12:46,194 Wow. 1216 01:12:46,195 --> 01:12:48,696 Either farmers that have judgments against them, 1217 01:12:48,697 --> 01:12:51,074 or businesses, or else it's... 1218 01:12:51,075 --> 01:12:53,785 or it's farmers that have not submitted their paperwork, 1219 01:12:53,786 --> 01:12:55,745 will not turn over their records. 1220 01:12:55,746 --> 01:12:57,580 For my case, that's why I'm on there... 1221 01:12:57,581 --> 01:12:59,999 'cause I would not turn over my records. 1222 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,835 - Am I on this list? - Yes, you are. 1223 01:13:02,836 --> 01:13:04,837 Wow. 1224 01:13:04,838 --> 01:13:07,548 I see two of the farmers that I work for on here. 1225 01:13:07,549 --> 01:13:10,134 This list... now it comes down to the point 1226 01:13:10,135 --> 01:13:12,845 where I cannot buy Monsanto products, okay? 1227 01:13:12,846 --> 01:13:14,222 Right. 1228 01:13:14,223 --> 01:13:16,682 So it's coming down to "What can I plant?" 1229 01:13:19,436 --> 01:13:22,105 PARR: Monsanto is suing me on the basis 1230 01:13:22,106 --> 01:13:25,483 that I'm encouraging the farmer to break the patent law 1231 01:13:25,484 --> 01:13:27,652 by cleaning their own seed. 1232 01:13:35,536 --> 01:13:37,703 I haven't been in a courtroom yet 1233 01:13:37,704 --> 01:13:40,748 and my bill is already $25,000. 1234 01:13:42,876 --> 01:13:44,794 People that were friends of mine 1235 01:13:44,795 --> 01:13:47,255 now are reticent to even talk with me. 1236 01:13:50,759 --> 01:13:53,219 We've been friends for 50 years, 1237 01:13:53,220 --> 01:13:55,555 and now we can hardly be seen together. 1238 01:13:55,556 --> 01:13:56,848 Right. 1239 01:14:00,894 --> 01:14:03,354 I don't think I'm really guilty, 1240 01:14:03,355 --> 01:14:06,232 but it was cheaper to pay the fine 1241 01:14:06,233 --> 01:14:08,568 than it was to try to fight it. 1242 01:14:08,569 --> 01:14:10,528 - It gnaws at you... - Parr: Sure. 1243 01:14:10,529 --> 01:14:13,072 ...because if you think you're right at something, 1244 01:14:13,073 --> 01:14:15,241 but yet you admit you're wrong. 1245 01:14:22,416 --> 01:14:25,418 ROUSH: Monsanto falsely accused us of violating their patent 1246 01:14:25,419 --> 01:14:27,462 and breach of contract. 1247 01:14:27,463 --> 01:14:29,589 None of it was true. 1248 01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:32,925 You go into a market, you find a dominant farmer 1249 01:14:32,926 --> 01:14:36,137 and if you can ruin them, you scare the rest of them to following the line. 1250 01:14:37,598 --> 01:14:39,515 My family spent $400,000 1251 01:14:39,516 --> 01:14:41,893 fighting the battle, pretrial. 1252 01:14:41,894 --> 01:14:43,853 And we were told it would take another million 1253 01:14:43,854 --> 01:14:45,438 to take the thing to trial. 1254 01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:48,941 We settled out of court. 1255 01:14:48,942 --> 01:14:51,611 The way the system appeared to work to me was. 1256 01:14:51,612 --> 01:14:53,738 Lady Justice had the scales 1257 01:14:53,739 --> 01:14:55,948 and you piled cash on the scales 1258 01:14:55,949 --> 01:14:58,868 and the one that piled the most cash on the scales, 1259 01:14:58,869 --> 01:15:01,412 hired the most experts and was most willing 1260 01:15:01,413 --> 01:15:04,415 to tell the biggest lies, that was the winner. 1261 01:15:04,416 --> 01:15:07,543 That seems to be how our justice system functions now. 1262 01:15:07,544 --> 01:15:09,128 It's terrible. It's terrible. 1263 01:15:09,129 --> 01:15:11,130 How can a farmer defend himself against 1264 01:15:11,131 --> 01:15:13,049 a multinational corporation like Monsanto? 1265 01:15:14,384 --> 01:15:17,053 I talked to a young man just three days ago. 1266 01:15:17,054 --> 01:15:19,096 They'd been to his farm, you know? 1267 01:15:19,097 --> 01:15:22,475 And this poor kid, he's just starting out. 1268 01:15:22,476 --> 01:15:24,894 His fiancée was there. I talked to her 1269 01:15:24,895 --> 01:15:26,979 and tried to give them the best advice I could. 1270 01:15:26,980 --> 01:15:28,898 Unfortunately the best advice I could give them was. 1271 01:15:28,899 --> 01:15:33,486 "Try to get out of this thing with your skin intact." 1272 01:15:33,487 --> 01:15:35,863 Don't fight 'em. You've got to roll over 1273 01:15:35,864 --> 01:15:38,491 "and give them what they want, 'cause you can't defend yourself." 1274 01:15:40,369 --> 01:15:42,662 In the case of Monsanto, their control is so dominant. 1275 01:15:42,663 --> 01:15:45,998 If you want to be in production agriculture, 1276 01:15:45,999 --> 01:15:47,959 you're gonna be in bed with Monsanto. 1277 01:15:49,294 --> 01:15:51,170 They own the soybean. 1278 01:15:51,171 --> 01:15:54,340 They are going to control that product 1279 01:15:54,341 --> 01:15:56,676 from seed to the supermarket. 1280 01:15:56,677 --> 01:15:58,844 They are, in effect, gaining control of food. 1281 01:16:15,529 --> 01:16:18,072 POLLAN: There has been this revolving door 1282 01:16:18,073 --> 01:16:20,783 between Monsanto's corporate offices 1283 01:16:20,784 --> 01:16:22,785 and the various regulatory 1284 01:16:22,786 --> 01:16:25,204 and judicial bodies that have made the key decisions. 1285 01:16:25,205 --> 01:16:29,500 ROUSH: Justice Clarence Thomas was a Monsanto attorney. 1286 01:16:29,501 --> 01:16:32,044 That wouldn't be such a big deal 1287 01:16:32,045 --> 01:16:33,713 if it weren't for one court case 1288 01:16:33,714 --> 01:16:36,465 that really decided this whole seed-saving issue. 1289 01:16:36,466 --> 01:16:39,552 Justice Clarence Thomas wrote the majority opinion 1290 01:16:39,553 --> 01:16:42,221 in a case that allowed these companies 1291 01:16:42,222 --> 01:16:45,266 to prevent farmers from saving their own seed. 1292 01:16:45,267 --> 01:16:48,060 POLLAN: Monsanto had very close ties 1293 01:16:48,061 --> 01:16:49,854 to the Bush administration... 1294 01:16:52,024 --> 01:16:54,191 and the Clinton administration. 1295 01:16:55,402 --> 01:16:59,071 This goes to why we haven't had much political debate 1296 01:16:59,072 --> 01:17:01,866 over this radical change to our food system. 1297 01:17:07,247 --> 01:17:09,707 POLLAN: For the last 25 years, our government 1298 01:17:09,708 --> 01:17:12,585 has been dominated by the industries 1299 01:17:12,586 --> 01:17:14,712 that it was meant to be regulating. 1300 01:17:19,676 --> 01:17:21,969 SCHLOSSER: The challenge is as soon as you have people 1301 01:17:21,970 --> 01:17:24,850 with expertise in industry, they may turn out to be very good regulators. 1302 01:17:28,769 --> 01:17:31,103 It's really about what interests they decide to represent. 1303 01:17:38,445 --> 01:17:40,738 You're talking about power... 1304 01:17:40,739 --> 01:17:43,115 centralized power 1305 01:17:43,116 --> 01:17:44,825 and that power is being used 1306 01:17:44,826 --> 01:17:47,662 against the people who are really producing the food 1307 01:17:47,663 --> 01:17:48,954 like the farmers. 1308 01:17:48,955 --> 01:17:50,873 It's being used against the workers 1309 01:17:50,874 --> 01:17:52,458 who work for these companies 1310 01:17:52,459 --> 01:17:55,044 and it's being used against consumers 1311 01:17:55,045 --> 01:17:57,713 who are deliberately being kept in the dark 1312 01:17:57,714 --> 01:18:00,633 about what they're eating, where it comes from 1313 01:18:00,634 --> 01:18:02,301 and what it's doing to their bodies. 1314 01:18:02,302 --> 01:18:04,720 (KIDS LAUGHING) 1315 01:18:04,721 --> 01:18:08,891 WOMAN: Good afternoon, Madame Chair and members. 1316 01:18:08,892 --> 01:18:12,978 SB-63 is a consumer right-to-know measure. 1317 01:18:12,979 --> 01:18:16,482 It simply requires that all foods that are cloned 1318 01:18:16,483 --> 01:18:18,776 must be labeled as cloned foods. 1319 01:18:18,777 --> 01:18:21,070 These cloned animals are 1320 01:18:21,071 --> 01:18:23,864 a fundamentally new thing. 1321 01:18:23,865 --> 01:18:26,492 But I find it incredible that the FDA 1322 01:18:26,493 --> 01:18:30,371 not only wants to allow the sale of meat from cloned animals 1323 01:18:30,372 --> 01:18:32,164 without further research, 1324 01:18:32,165 --> 01:18:34,959 but also wants to allow the sale of this meat 1325 01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:36,877 without any labeling. 1326 01:18:36,878 --> 01:18:39,046 How many witnesses in opposition, please? 1327 01:18:39,047 --> 01:18:41,590 Noelle Cremers with California Farm Bureau. 1328 01:18:41,591 --> 01:18:43,050 And if I can point out... 1329 01:18:43,051 --> 01:18:45,803 the reason that we are concerned with labeling 1330 01:18:45,804 --> 01:18:49,140 is it creates unnecessary fear in a consumer's mind. 1331 01:18:49,141 --> 01:18:50,850 Until the industry has an opportunity 1332 01:18:50,851 --> 01:18:52,852 to educate why we want to use this technology 1333 01:18:52,853 --> 01:18:54,395 and the value of the technology, 1334 01:18:54,396 --> 01:18:56,772 we don't feel that consumers just having 1335 01:18:56,773 --> 01:18:58,733 a warning label will help them. 1336 01:18:58,734 --> 01:19:01,360 (CHATTING) 1337 01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,825 POLLAN: These companies fight tooth and nail 1338 01:19:07,826 --> 01:19:09,577 against labeling. 1339 01:19:10,662 --> 01:19:12,663 The fast food industry fought against 1340 01:19:12,664 --> 01:19:14,540 giving you the calorie information. 1341 01:19:14,541 --> 01:19:16,542 They fought against telling you 1342 01:19:16,543 --> 01:19:18,210 if there's trans fat in their food. 1343 01:19:18,211 --> 01:19:20,963 The meat packing industry for years prevented 1344 01:19:20,964 --> 01:19:23,299 country-of-origin labeling. 1345 01:19:23,300 --> 01:19:27,386 They fought not to label genetically modified foods, 1346 01:19:27,387 --> 01:19:30,890 and now 78% of the processed food in the supermarket 1347 01:19:30,891 --> 01:19:34,602 has some genetically- modified ingredient. 1348 01:19:34,603 --> 01:19:37,229 I think it's one of the most important battles 1349 01:19:37,230 --> 01:19:39,273 for consumers to fight... 1350 01:19:39,274 --> 01:19:41,942 is the right to know what's in their food and how it was grown. 1351 01:19:43,069 --> 01:19:45,112 Not only do they not want 1352 01:19:45,113 --> 01:19:47,531 you to know what's in it, 1353 01:19:47,532 --> 01:19:49,950 they have managed to make it against the law 1354 01:19:49,951 --> 01:19:52,661 to criticize their products. 1355 01:19:54,206 --> 01:19:57,291 MAN: Can you tell me how you've changed how you eat? 1356 01:19:57,292 --> 01:19:59,293 Yeah, we... 1357 01:19:59,294 --> 01:20:02,046 you'll probably have to talk to an attorney 1358 01:20:02,047 --> 01:20:03,464 before you would put this in there. 1359 01:20:03,465 --> 01:20:05,341 What? You can say this is... we've stopped... 1360 01:20:05,342 --> 01:20:07,051 I know, but... 1361 01:20:07,052 --> 01:20:09,011 I could have the meat and poultry industry 1362 01:20:09,012 --> 01:20:10,721 coming after me and I really... 1363 01:20:10,722 --> 01:20:13,557 Seriously? For saying... that it's so... 1364 01:20:13,558 --> 01:20:15,601 It depends on the context. 1365 01:20:15,602 --> 01:20:17,478 You're not saying "Someone else don't eat it." 1366 01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:18,979 Yeah, I'm sorry, Robbie, 1367 01:20:18,980 --> 01:20:21,273 but I get asked this all the time. 1368 01:20:21,274 --> 01:20:24,360 Initially, my reaction was. 1369 01:20:24,361 --> 01:20:26,654 "I don't care. Let them Sue me." 1370 01:20:26,655 --> 01:20:28,823 Let them try and Sue the mother 1371 01:20:28,824 --> 01:20:31,408 "of a dead child and see." 1372 01:20:31,409 --> 01:20:34,411 It's pretty amazing that you can't say 1373 01:20:34,412 --> 01:20:37,331 - how you and your family have changed... - The veggie libel laws... 1374 01:20:37,332 --> 01:20:39,333 (STAMMERS) 1375 01:20:40,836 --> 01:20:42,336 are different. 1376 01:20:43,839 --> 01:20:47,424 The food industry has different protections 1377 01:20:47,425 --> 01:20:49,844 than other industries do. 1378 01:20:49,845 --> 01:20:53,347 We have a lot of questions about this mad cow disease. 1379 01:20:53,348 --> 01:20:56,433 KOWALCYK: If you recall the case where Oprah was sued 1380 01:20:56,434 --> 01:20:58,602 by the meat industry 1381 01:20:58,603 --> 01:21:01,272 for something she said on her show. 1382 01:21:01,273 --> 01:21:03,482 It has just stopped me cold 1383 01:21:03,483 --> 01:21:05,359 from eating another burger. 1384 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,418 - Man: Good morning, Oprah. - Good morning, y'all. 1385 01:21:22,419 --> 01:21:24,670 MAN #2: Are you glad to see it's finally winding down? 1386 01:21:24,671 --> 01:21:28,173 Well, I think I can say that, right? 1387 01:21:28,174 --> 01:21:31,844 I can say that, yeah. I can see the end in sight. 1388 01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:35,347 SCHLOSSER: In Colorado it's a felony 1389 01:21:35,348 --> 01:21:37,850 if you're convicted under a veggie libel law. 1390 01:21:37,851 --> 01:21:39,351 So you could go to prison 1391 01:21:39,352 --> 01:21:41,228 for criticizing the ground beef 1392 01:21:41,229 --> 01:21:43,522 that's being produced in the state of Colorado. 1393 01:21:43,523 --> 01:21:46,817 There is an effort in several farm states 1394 01:21:46,818 --> 01:21:48,819 to make it illegal to publish 1395 01:21:48,820 --> 01:21:52,489 a photo of any industrial food operation, 1396 01:21:52,490 --> 01:21:55,367 any feedlot operation. 1397 01:21:55,368 --> 01:21:57,369 SCHLOSSER: At the same time, they've also gotten 1398 01:21:57,370 --> 01:22:01,749 bills passed that are called cheeseburger bills 1399 01:22:01,750 --> 01:22:03,667 that make it very very difficult 1400 01:22:03,668 --> 01:22:05,628 for you to Sue them. 1401 01:22:05,629 --> 01:22:08,422 These companies have legions of attorneys 1402 01:22:08,423 --> 01:22:11,926 and they may Sue even though they know they can't win 1403 01:22:11,927 --> 01:22:14,261 just to send a message. 1404 01:22:26,441 --> 01:22:29,234 MAN: We are on record for the deposition of Maurice Parr 1405 01:22:29,235 --> 01:22:31,070 in the matter of Monsanto Company 1406 01:22:31,071 --> 01:22:32,947 and Monsanto Technology versus Maurice Parr. 1407 01:22:32,948 --> 01:22:37,326 MAN #2: Mr. Parr, we subpoenaed your bank records 1408 01:22:37,327 --> 01:22:38,953 in this case. Do you know that? 1409 01:22:44,376 --> 01:22:46,627 PARR: I'll tell you, what really scared me the most today 1410 01:22:46,628 --> 01:22:51,298 was the fact that they have every check that I have written 1411 01:22:51,299 --> 01:22:54,134 from every bank account that I've used 1412 01:22:54,135 --> 01:22:56,637 in the last 10 years. 1413 01:22:56,638 --> 01:22:58,681 MAN #2: Do you own any land, Mr. Parr? 1414 01:22:58,682 --> 01:23:00,849 - Yes. - Man #2: How many acres do you own? 1415 01:23:00,850 --> 01:23:01,934 Three. 1416 01:23:01,935 --> 01:23:04,144 MAN #2: How long have you had this Dell computer? 1417 01:23:04,145 --> 01:23:07,856 Which ones are soybean seed cleaning customers? 1418 01:23:07,857 --> 01:23:09,858 - Mr. Kaufman? - Beans only. 1419 01:23:09,859 --> 01:23:12,403 PARR: These people are not just customers, 1420 01:23:12,404 --> 01:23:14,488 they're personal friends. 1421 01:23:14,489 --> 01:23:18,117 It's extremely heart-wrenching for me 1422 01:23:18,118 --> 01:23:21,662 to know that this list is in the possession of Monsanto. 1423 01:23:21,663 --> 01:23:23,497 Harold Sinn? 1424 01:23:24,541 --> 01:23:26,583 Beans only. 1425 01:23:26,584 --> 01:23:28,585 STEPHEN PENNELL: This is the first case 1426 01:23:28,586 --> 01:23:31,547 in which a seed company is suing 1427 01:23:31,548 --> 01:23:33,549 the person who does the cleaning of the seed. 1428 01:23:33,550 --> 01:23:36,719 So if Monsanto's claims are upheld in this case, 1429 01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:38,429 that would not only put Moe out of business, 1430 01:23:38,430 --> 01:23:41,640 but it would prohibit every grower in the country 1431 01:23:41,641 --> 01:23:45,019 from doing what Moe does as a precedent in future cases. 1432 01:23:45,020 --> 01:23:47,938 MAN #2: Have any of these customers specifically 1433 01:23:47,939 --> 01:23:49,940 told you that they are not going to use 1434 01:23:49,941 --> 01:23:52,985 - your seed-cleaning services anymore? - Ron Merrill. 1435 01:23:52,986 --> 01:23:55,946 PARR'S VOICE: This essentially puts me out of business. 1436 01:23:55,947 --> 01:23:58,699 - Max Lowe. - Parr's voice: I'm finished. 1437 01:23:58,700 --> 01:24:01,785 Jerry Kaufman. Bill Zeering. 1438 01:24:01,786 --> 01:24:04,246 Robert Duvall. 1439 01:24:21,556 --> 01:24:24,183 POLLAN: We've had a food system that's been dedicated 1440 01:24:24,184 --> 01:24:26,310 to the single virtue of efficiency, 1441 01:24:26,311 --> 01:24:29,855 so we grow a very small number of crops, 1442 01:24:29,856 --> 01:24:31,815 a very small number of varieties, 1443 01:24:31,816 --> 01:24:33,901 a very small number of companies. 1444 01:24:33,902 --> 01:24:36,361 And even though you achieve efficiencies, 1445 01:24:36,362 --> 01:24:38,864 the system gets more and more precarious. 1446 01:24:38,865 --> 01:24:41,075 You will have a breakdown eventually. 1447 01:24:41,076 --> 01:24:43,077 And where the breakdown comes in the system 1448 01:24:43,078 --> 01:24:44,787 we don't always know. 1449 01:24:46,706 --> 01:24:49,625 ROUSH: Modern production agriculture is highly dependent 1450 01:24:49,626 --> 01:24:52,628 on large amounts of petroleum. 1451 01:24:53,755 --> 01:24:55,547 Our farm, we're going to use 1452 01:24:55,548 --> 01:24:58,592 about 40,000 gallons of diesel fuel a year. 1453 01:24:58,593 --> 01:25:01,178 POLLAN: We eat a lot of oil without knowing it. 1454 01:25:01,179 --> 01:25:03,680 To bring a steer to slaughter, 1455 01:25:03,681 --> 01:25:06,016 it's 75 gallons of oil. 1456 01:25:06,017 --> 01:25:08,602 So what we're seeing is 1457 01:25:08,603 --> 01:25:11,188 that this highly-efficient machine 1458 01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:15,442 does not have the resilience to deal with shocks 1459 01:25:15,443 --> 01:25:18,278 such as the Spike in oil prices. 1460 01:25:18,279 --> 01:25:21,824 Food prices last month were 3.9% higher 1461 01:25:21,825 --> 01:25:23,742 than they were a year ago. 1462 01:25:23,743 --> 01:25:25,744 Take corn, another basic source of food, 1463 01:25:25,745 --> 01:25:27,454 up to a 12-year high. 1464 01:25:27,455 --> 01:25:30,124 POLLAN: For a while, we could sell grains 1465 01:25:30,125 --> 01:25:31,750 so cheaply anywhere in the world, 1466 01:25:31,751 --> 01:25:34,878 farmers in other countries who aren't being subsidized 1467 01:25:34,879 --> 01:25:36,922 could not compete with us. 1468 01:25:36,923 --> 01:25:39,466 So their capacity to grow food 1469 01:25:39,467 --> 01:25:41,468 for themselves was compromised. 1470 01:25:41,469 --> 01:25:43,595 ROUSH: The world's running out of food 1471 01:25:43,596 --> 01:25:46,348 and nobody's talking about it. We have no reserves. 1472 01:25:46,349 --> 01:25:48,559 MAN: There have been protests around the world. 1473 01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:52,104 The food crisis has already brought down one government. 1474 01:25:52,105 --> 01:25:54,648 POLLAN: A month doesn't go by 1475 01:25:54,649 --> 01:25:56,817 where there isn't a story in the news 1476 01:25:56,818 --> 01:25:59,153 that peels back the curtain 1477 01:25:59,154 --> 01:26:00,821 on how that industrial food is made. 1478 01:26:00,822 --> 01:26:02,489 (MOOING PITIFULLY) 1479 01:26:02,490 --> 01:26:05,450 MAN: Downer cows... too ill or lame to walk... 1480 01:26:05,451 --> 01:26:08,412 being brutalized to get them to their feet for slaughter. 1481 01:26:08,413 --> 01:26:11,373 WOMAN: Millions of gallons of concentrated hog manure 1482 01:26:11,374 --> 01:26:14,001 flushing their contents downriver. 1483 01:26:14,002 --> 01:26:15,836 WOMAN #2: Government's food Czar reported 1484 01:26:15,837 --> 01:26:18,088 that there are no tools in place to track 1485 01:26:18,089 --> 01:26:21,300 the origin of the latest salmonella outbreak. 1486 01:26:21,301 --> 01:26:24,803 POLLAN: Every time one of these stories comes out, 1487 01:26:24,804 --> 01:26:26,930 America learns a little bit more... 1488 01:26:26,931 --> 01:26:29,933 what's going on in the kitchen where their food is being prepared. 1489 01:26:29,934 --> 01:26:34,354 And every time they turn away in revulsion 1490 01:26:34,355 --> 01:26:36,523 and start looking for alternatives. 1491 01:26:44,282 --> 01:26:46,366 HIRSHBERG: The irony is that the average consumer 1492 01:26:46,367 --> 01:26:48,410 does not feel very powerful. 1493 01:26:48,411 --> 01:26:50,829 They think they are the recipients 1494 01:26:50,830 --> 01:26:53,123 of whatever industry has put out there 1495 01:26:53,124 --> 01:26:54,708 for them to consume. 1496 01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:56,543 Trust me, it's the exact opposite. 1497 01:26:57,712 --> 01:27:00,255 When we run an item past the supermarket scanner, 1498 01:27:00,256 --> 01:27:03,717 we're voting for local or not, organic or not. 1499 01:27:03,718 --> 01:27:07,179 At Wal-Mart, we made a decision about a year ago 1500 01:27:07,180 --> 01:27:10,515 to go through a process of becoming rBST-free in our milk supply. 1501 01:27:10,516 --> 01:27:13,018 We made that decision based on customer preference. 1502 01:27:13,019 --> 01:27:15,354 HIRSHBERG: Individual consumers 1503 01:27:15,355 --> 01:27:17,481 changed the biggest company on Earth 1504 01:27:17,482 --> 01:27:19,274 and in so doing, 1505 01:27:19,275 --> 01:27:21,902 probably put the last nail in the coffin 1506 01:27:21,903 --> 01:27:23,487 for synthetic growth hormone. 1507 01:27:25,114 --> 01:27:27,324 POLLAN: To eat well in this country costs more 1508 01:27:27,325 --> 01:27:30,619 than to eat badly. It will take more money 1509 01:27:30,620 --> 01:27:32,329 and some people simply don't have it. 1510 01:27:32,330 --> 01:27:33,956 And that's one of the reasons 1511 01:27:33,957 --> 01:27:35,916 that we need changes at the policy level, 1512 01:27:35,917 --> 01:27:38,877 so that the carrots are a better deal than the chips. 1513 01:27:41,005 --> 01:27:43,131 SCHLOSSER: People think "These companies are so big 1514 01:27:43,132 --> 01:27:45,926 and so powerful, how are we ever going to change things?" 1515 01:27:45,927 --> 01:27:47,803 But look at the tobacco industry. 1516 01:27:47,804 --> 01:27:51,056 It had huge control over public policy 1517 01:27:51,057 --> 01:27:53,350 and that control was broken. 1518 01:27:53,351 --> 01:27:56,812 The battle against tobacco is a perfect model 1519 01:27:56,813 --> 01:28:00,357 of how an industry's irresponsible behavior 1520 01:28:00,358 --> 01:28:02,317 can be changed. 1521 01:28:02,318 --> 01:28:04,653 (PEOPLE TALKING) 1522 01:28:04,654 --> 01:28:08,282 SALATIN: Imagine what it would be if, as a national policy, 1523 01:28:08,283 --> 01:28:11,451 we said we would be only successful 1524 01:28:11,452 --> 01:28:14,579 if we had fewer people going 1525 01:28:14,580 --> 01:28:17,499 to the hospital next year than last year. 1526 01:28:17,500 --> 01:28:20,502 How about that for success? 1527 01:28:20,503 --> 01:28:22,546 The idea then would be to have 1528 01:28:22,547 --> 01:28:24,172 such nutritionally dense 1529 01:28:24,173 --> 01:28:25,674 unadulterated food 1530 01:28:25,675 --> 01:28:29,261 that people who ate it actually felt better, 1531 01:28:29,262 --> 01:28:31,179 had more energy, 1532 01:28:31,180 --> 01:28:33,890 and weren't sick as much. 1533 01:28:33,891 --> 01:28:36,184 Now see, that's a noble goal. 1534 01:28:37,353 --> 01:28:39,604 KOWALCYK: I can't change the fact that Kevin's dead. 1535 01:28:41,441 --> 01:28:43,859 When you tell somebody you've lost a child, 1536 01:28:43,860 --> 01:28:46,278 I really don't like that look of pity 1537 01:28:46,279 --> 01:28:48,155 that comes into their eyes, 1538 01:28:48,156 --> 01:28:50,949 that they feel sorry for me. 1539 01:28:50,950 --> 01:28:53,410 I can have a pity party all by myself very well, 1540 01:28:53,411 --> 01:28:56,663 thank you. I don't need it from other people. 1541 01:28:56,664 --> 01:28:58,623 What I need them to do is listen 1542 01:28:58,624 --> 01:29:00,542 and help me effect a change. 1543 01:29:02,670 --> 01:29:04,796 ROUSH: You have to understand that we farmers, 1544 01:29:04,797 --> 01:29:08,842 we're gonna deliver to the marketplace what the marketplace demands. 1545 01:29:08,843 --> 01:29:11,136 If you want to buy $2 milk, 1546 01:29:11,137 --> 01:29:15,140 you're gonna get a feedlot in the backyard. It's that simple. 1547 01:29:15,141 --> 01:29:17,559 People have got to start demanding 1548 01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:19,978 good, wholesome food of us. 1549 01:29:19,979 --> 01:29:21,646 And we'll deliver. I promise you. 1550 01:29:21,647 --> 01:29:24,566 We're very ingenious people. We'll deliver. 1551 01:29:24,567 --> 01:29:27,069 That's all I had to say. 1552 01:29:27,070 --> 01:29:29,071 ("THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND" PLAYING) 1553 01:29:32,241 --> 01:29:34,743 (AUDIENCE CHEERING) 1554 01:29:36,996 --> 01:29:42,709 ♪ When I rode that ribbon highway ♪ 1555 01:29:42,710 --> 01:29:46,588 ♪ I saw above me ♪ 1556 01:29:46,589 --> 01:29:49,883 ♪ The endless skyway ♪ 1557 01:29:49,884 --> 01:29:52,761 ♪ I saw below me ♪ 1558 01:29:52,762 --> 01:29:57,015 ♪ The Golden valley ♪ 1559 01:29:57,016 --> 01:30:01,812 ♪ Well, this land was made for you and me ♪ 1560 01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:06,108 ♪ I roamed and rambled ♪ 1561 01:30:06,109 --> 01:30:09,403 ♪ I followed my footsteps ♪ 1562 01:30:09,404 --> 01:30:12,906 ♪ Through the sparkling sands of ♪ 1563 01:30:12,907 --> 01:30:16,159 ♪ Her Diamond deserts ♪ 1564 01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:19,287 ♪ And all around me ♪ 1565 01:30:19,288 --> 01:30:22,833 ♪ A voice was calling ♪ 1566 01:30:23,918 --> 01:30:28,964 ♪ It said "This land was made for you and me" ♪ 1567 01:30:28,965 --> 01:30:32,801 ♪ This land is your land ♪ 1568 01:30:32,802 --> 01:30:36,263 ♪ This land is my land ♪ 1569 01:30:36,264 --> 01:30:39,391 ♪ From California ♪ 1570 01:30:39,392 --> 01:30:42,644 ♪ To the New York island ♪ 1571 01:30:42,645 --> 01:30:45,814 ♪ From the redwood forests ♪ 1572 01:30:45,815 --> 01:30:49,317 ♪ To the Gulf Stream waters ♪ 1573 01:30:49,318 --> 01:30:54,573 ♪ Well, this land was made for you and me ♪ 1574 01:30:55,950 --> 01:30:58,660 ♪ Now the sun came shining ♪ 1575 01:30:58,661 --> 01:31:02,122 ♪ And I was strolling ♪ 1576 01:31:02,123 --> 01:31:05,333 ♪ Through wheat fields waving ♪ 1577 01:31:05,334 --> 01:31:08,712 ♪ And dust clouds rolling ♪ 1578 01:31:08,713 --> 01:31:11,840 ♪ And a voice was sounding ♪ 1579 01:31:11,841 --> 01:31:15,260 ♪ As the fog was lifting ♪ 1580 01:31:15,261 --> 01:31:21,099 ♪ It said "This land was made for you and me" ♪ 1581 01:31:21,100 --> 01:31:24,853 ♪ This land is your land ♪ 1582 01:31:24,854 --> 01:31:28,106 ♪ This land is my land ♪ 1583 01:31:28,107 --> 01:31:31,401 ♪ From California ♪ 1584 01:31:31,402 --> 01:31:34,696 ♪ To the New York islands ♪ 1585 01:31:34,697 --> 01:31:37,824 ♪ From the redwood Forest ♪ 1586 01:31:37,825 --> 01:31:41,578 ♪ To the Gulf Stream waters ♪ 1587 01:31:41,579 --> 01:31:47,584 ♪ Oh, this land was made for you and me. ♪ 1588 01:31:47,585 --> 01:31:49,586 (HARMONICA PLAYING) 1589 01:32:05,436 --> 01:32:07,437 (CLASSICAL SCORE PLAYING) 123797

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