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MICHAEL POLLAN: The way we eat has
changed more in the last 50 years
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than in the previous 10,000.
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But the image that's
used to sell the food,
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it is still the imagery
of agrarian America.
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You go into the supermarket and
you see pictures of farmers,
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the picket fence, the silo,
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the '30s farmhouse
and the green grass.
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It's the spinning of
this pastoral fantasy.
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The modern American
supermarket
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has on average
47,000 products.
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There are no seasons in
the American supermarket.
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Now there are tomatoes
all year round,
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grown halfway around the world,
picked when it was green,
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and ripened with ethylene gas.
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Although it looks
like a tomato,
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it's kind of a
notional tomato.
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I mean, it's the
idea of a tomato.
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In the meat aisle, there
are no bones anymore.
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ERIC SCHLOSSER: There is
this deliberate veil,
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this curtain, that's
dropped between us
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and where our food
is coming from.
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The industry doesn't want
you to know the truth
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about what you're eating,
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because if you knew, you
might not want to eat it.
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POLLAN: If you follow
the food chain back
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from those shrink-wrapped
packages of meat,
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you find a very
different reality.
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The reality is a factory.
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It's not a farm.
It's a factory.
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That meat is being processed
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by huge multinational
corporations
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that have very little to do
with ranches and farmers.
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SCHLOSSER: Now our food is coming
from enormous assembly lines
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where the animals and the
workers are being abused.
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And the food has become
much more dangerous
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in ways that are being
deliberately hidden from us.
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TROY ROUSH: You've got a small group
of multinational corporations
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who control the
entire food system.
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From seed to the supermarket,
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they're gaining
control of food.
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SCHLOSSER: This isn't just
about what we're eating.
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This is about what
we're allowed to say,
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what we're allowed to know.
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It's not just our
health that's at risk.
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CAROLE MORISON: The companies
don't want farmers talking.
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They don't want
this story told.
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How about a nice chicken club sandwich
made with fresh cooked chicken?
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You know, that's a nice idea,
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but I think what
I'd really like
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- is a burger.
- All right.
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SCHLOSSER'S VOICE: My
favorite meal to this day
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remains a hamburger
and french fries.
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I had no idea that a
handful of companies
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had changed what we eat
and how we make our food.
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I've been eating this
food all my life
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without having any idea
where it comes from,
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any idea how powerful
this industry is.
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And it was the idea
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of this world deliberately
hidden from us.
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I think that's one
of the reasons why
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I became an
investigative reporter,
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was to take the veil...
lift the veil away
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from important subjects
that are being hidden.
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(FILM PROJECTOR CLICKING)
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SCHLOSSER: The whole
industrial food system
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really began with fast food.
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In the 1930s,
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a new form of restaurant arose
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and it was called
the drive-in.
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The McDonald brothers had a
very successful drive-in,
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but they decided to cut
costs and simplify.
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So they fired all
their carhops,
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they got rid of most of
the things on the menu
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and they created a
revolutionary idea
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to how to run a restaurant.
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They basically brought
the factory system
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to the back of the
restaurant kitchen.
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They trained each worker
to just do one thing
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again and again and again.
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By having workers who
only had to do one thing,
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they could pay them a low wage
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and it was very easy to find
someone to replace them.
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It was inexpensive
food, it tasted good
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and this McDonald's
fast food restaurant
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was a huge huge success.
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That mentality of uniformity,
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conformity and cheapness
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applied widely and
on a large scale
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has all kinds of
unintended consequences.
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(MOOING)
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When McDonald's is the
largest purchaser
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of ground beef in
the United States
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and they want their hamburgers
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to taste, everywhere,
exactly the same,
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they change how ground
beef is produced.
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The McDonald's corporation
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is the largest
purchaser of potatoes
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and one of the largest
purchasers of pork,
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chicken, tomatoes,
lettuce, even apples.
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These big big fast food chains
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want big suppliers.
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And now there are essentially
a handful of companies
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controlling our food system.
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In the 1970s, the top
five beef-packers
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controlled only about
25% of the market.
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Today, the top four
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control more than
80% of the market.
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You see the same thing
happening now in pork.
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Even if you don't eat at
a fast food restaurant,
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you're now eating meat
that's being produced
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by this system.
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You look at the labels
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and you see Farmer
this, Farmer that...
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it's really just three
or four companies
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that are controlling the meat.
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We've never had food
companies this big
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and this powerful
in our history.
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Tyson, for example,
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is the biggest meat-packing company
in the history of the world.
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The industry changed the entire
way that chicken are raised.
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Birds are now raised
and slaughtered
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in half the time they
were 50 years ago,
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but now they're twice as big.
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People like to eat white meat,
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so they redesigned the chicken
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to have large breasts.
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- (CHEEPING) - They not
only changed the chicken,
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they changed the farmer.
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Today, chicken farmers no
longer control their birds.
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(THUDDING)
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A company like Tyson
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owns the birds from the
day they're dropped off
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until the day that
they're slaughtered.
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(BUZZES)
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Let me go to the top.
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- Man: This is the Chicken...
- National Chicken Council.
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The chicken industry
has really set a model
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for the integration of
production, processing
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and marketing of the products
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that other industries
are now following
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because they see that we have
achieved tremendous economies.
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In a way, we're not
producing chickens;
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We're producing food.
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It's all highly mechanized.
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So all the birds
coming off those farms
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have to be almost
exactly the same size.
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What the system of intensive
production accomplishes
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is to produce a lot of food
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on a small amount of land
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at a very affordable price.
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Now somebody explain to me
what's wrong with that.
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(SNIFFS) Smells
like money to me.
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(CHUCKLES)
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16 chicken houses sit here.
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And Chuck's son has four
over the top of this hill.
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The chicken industry
came in here
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and it's helped this
whole community out.
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Here's my chicken houses here.
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I have about 300,000 chickens.
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(BARKS)
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- What do you want?
- (BARKS)
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We have a contract with Tyson.
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They've been growing chickens
for many many years.
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It's all a science. They
got it figured out.
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If you can grow a
chicken in 49 days,
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why would you want one you
gotta grow in three months?
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More money in your pocket.
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(CHICKENS CLUCKING)
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These chickens never
see sunlight.
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They're pretty much in
the dark all the time.
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MAN: So you think they
just want to keep us out?
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I don't know.
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If I knew, I'd tell you.
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It would be nice if y'all
could see what we really do,
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but as far as y'all going in,
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we can't let you do that.
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I understand why farmers
don't want to talk...
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because the company can
do what it wants to do
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as far as pay goes since
they control everything.
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But it's just
gotten to the point
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that it's not right
what's going on
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and I've just made up my mind.
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I'm gonna say what
I have to say.
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I understand why others
don't want to do it.
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And I'm just to a point
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that it doesn't
matter anymore.
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Something has to be said.
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(LOUD CLUCKING)
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It is nasty in here.
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There's dust
flying everywhere.
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There's feces everywhere.
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This isn't farming.
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This is just mass production,
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like an assembly
line in a factory.
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(FANS WHIRRING)
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When they grow from a chick
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and in seven weeks you've got a
five-and-a-half-pound chicken,
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their bones and their
internal organs
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can't keep up with
the rapid growth.
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A lot of these chickens here,
they can take a few steps
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and then they plop down.
It's because they can't
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keep up all the weight
that they're carrying.
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(WHEEZES)
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That's normal.
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There's antibiotics
that's put into the feed
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and of course that passes
through the chicken.
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The bacteria builds
up a resistance,
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so antibiotics aren't
working anymore.
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I have become allergic
to all antibiotics
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and can't take 'em.
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(CLUCKING)
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MORISON: When it's dark
inside the houses,
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the chickens lay down.
It's less resistance
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when they're being caught.
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Traditionally, it's been
African-American men.
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Now we're seeing more and
more Latino catchers...
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undocumented workers.
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From their point of view,
they don't have any rights
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and they're just not
gonna complain.
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The companies like
these kind of workers.
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It doesn't matter if
the chickens get sick.
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All of the chickens
will go to the plant
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for processing.
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The companies keep the
farmers under their thumb
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because of the debt
that the farmers have.
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To build one poultry house
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is anywhere from $280,000
to $300,000 per house.
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And once you make your
initial investment,
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the companies
constantly come back
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with demands of upgrades
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for new equipment,
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and the grower has no choice.
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They have to do it
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or you're threatened
with loss of a contract.
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This is how they keep the
farmers under control.
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It's how they keep
them spending money,
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going to the bank and
borrowing more money.
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The debt just keeps building.
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To have no say in
your business,
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it's degrading.
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It's like being a
slave to the company.
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POLLAN: The idea that you
would need to write a book
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telling people where
their food came from
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is just a sign of how far
removed we've become.
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It seems to me that we're entitled
to know about our food...
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"Who owns it? How
are they making it?
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Can I have a look
in the kitchen?"
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When I wanted to understand
the industrial food system,
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what I set about doing
was very simple.
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I wanted to trace the
source of my food.
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When you go through
the supermarket,
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what looks like this cornucopia
of variety and choice is not.
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There is an illusion
of diversity.
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There are only a few
companies involved
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and there're only a
few crops involved.
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What really surprised me most
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as I followed that food
back to its source,
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I kept ending up
in the same place,
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and that was a
cornfield in Iowa.
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So much of our industrial food
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turns out to be clever
rearrangements of corn.
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Corn has conquered the
world in a lot of ways.
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It is a remarkable plant.
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100 years ago, a
farmer in America
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could grow maybe 20 bushels
of corn on an acre.
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Today, 200 bushels
is no problem.
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That's an astonishing
achievement
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for which breeders
deserve credit,
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for which fertilizer
makers deserve credit,
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for which pesticide makers
all deserve credit.
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ROUSH: In the United
States today,
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30% of our land base is
being planted to corn.
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That's largely driven
by government policy,
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government policy
that, in effect,
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allows us to produce corn
below the cost of production.
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The truth of the matter is
we're paid to overproduce,
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and it was caused by
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these large multinational
interests.
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The reason our government's
promoting corn...
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the Cargills, the ADMs,
Tyson, Smithfield...
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they have an interest in purchasing
corn below the cost of production.
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They use that interest and that
extensive amount of money they have
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to lobby Congress to give us the
kind of farm bills we now have.
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POLLAN: A "farm bill,"
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which should really be
called a "food bill,"
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codifies the rules of the
entire food economy.
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Farm policy is always focused
on these commodity crops
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because you can store them.
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We encourage farmers to grow
as much corn as they can grow,
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to get big, to consolidate.
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We subsidize farmers
by the bushel.
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ROUSH: We produced
a lot of corn
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and they came up
with uses for it.
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LARRY JOHNSON: We are now
engineering our foods.
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We know where to turn
to for certain traits
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like mouth feel and flavor.
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And we bring all of
these pieces together
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and engineer new foods
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that don't stale in
the refrigerator,
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don't develop rancidity.
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Of course the biggest
advance in recent years
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was high-fructose corn syrup.
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You know, I would
venture to guess
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if you go and look on
the supermarket shelf,
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I'll bet you 90% of them
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would contain either a corn
or soybean ingredient,
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and most of the time
will contain both.
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POLLAN: Corn is the
great raw material.
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You get that big fat
kernel of starch
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and you can break that
down and reassemble it.
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You can make high-fructose
corn syrup.
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You can make maltodextrin
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and diglycerides
and xanthan gum
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and ascorbic acid.
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All those obscure ingredients
on the processed food...
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it's remarkable how many of
them can be made from corn.
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Plus, you can feed
it to animals.
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ROUSH: Corn is the main
component in feed ingredients
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whether it's chicken, hogs,
cattle... you name it.
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POLLAN: Increasingly, we're
feeding the corn to the fish
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whether we're eating the
tilapia or the farmed salmon.
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We're teaching fish
how to eat corn.
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The fact that we had
so much cheap corn
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really allowed us to drive
down the price of meat.
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I mean, the average American
is eating over 200 lbs
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of meat per person per year.
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That wouldn't be possible
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had we not fed them this
diet of cheap grain.
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Since you're selling corn at
below the price of production,
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the feedlot operator
can buy corn
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at a fraction of what
it costs to grow,
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so that all the animals
are sucked off
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of all the farms
in the Midwest.
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There is a spiderweb
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of roads and train tracks
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all around the
country moving corn
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from where it's being
grown to these CAFOs.
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Cows are not designed by
evolution to eat corn.
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They're designed by
evolution to eat grass.
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And the only reason
we feed them corn
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is because corn
is really cheap
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and corn makes
them fat quickly.
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(COW MOOS)
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MAN: Where are you
putting your hand?
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I'm actually inside
the rumen...
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that first compartment
of the stomach.
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And it's...
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it's not...
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it's kind of hard to see.
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You can see the
liquid part here.
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MAN: Wow.
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- Does that hurt the cow?
- No.
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There's microorganisms...
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bacteria in the rumen,
millions of 'em.
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The animals evolved
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on consuming grass.
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There's some research
that indicates
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that a high-corn
diet results in.
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E. Coli that are
acid-resistant.
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And these would be the
more harmful E. Coli.
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POLLAN: So you feed
corn to cattle
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and E. Coli, which is a
very common bug, evolves,
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a certain mutation occurs
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and a strain called the "E.
COLI 0157:H7"
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appears on the world stage.
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And it's a product of the diet
we're feeding cattle on feedlots
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and it's a product
of feedlot life.
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The animals stand ankle deep
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in their manure all day long.
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So if one cow has it,
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the other cows will get it.
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When they get to the
slaughterhouse,
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their hides are
caked with manure.
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And if the slaughterhouse
is slaughtering
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400 animals an hour,
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how do you keep that manure
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00:24:41,730 --> 00:24:43,689
from getting onto
those carcasses?
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And that's how the
manure gets in the meat.
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And now this thing that
wasn't in the world
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is in the food system.
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A fast-food nightmare
may be getting worse.
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A two-year-old child
died today in Seattle.
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00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:10,257
And the killer? Tainted meat
from Jack In The Box hamburgers.
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A nationwide recall today
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for more than 140
tons of ground beef.
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MAN: A half a million
pounds of ground beef...
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MAN #2: Today, nationwide recalls
of Con Agra ground beef.
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SCHLOSSER: E. Coli isn't
just in ground beef now...
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it's been found in
spinach, apple juice...
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00:25:26,024 --> 00:25:30,861
and this is really because of the
runoff from our factory farms.
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90 confirmed cases of E.
Coli poisoning.
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Central to it all...
raw, bagged spinach.
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MAN #3: This is the 20th E.
Coli outbreak with leafy Greens
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in just the last decade.
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SCHLOSSER: For years during
the Bush administration,
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the Chief of staff at the USDA
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was the former Chief lobbyist
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00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:49,588
to the beef industry
in Washington;
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The head of the F.D.A. was the
former executive vice president
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00:25:53,718 --> 00:25:56,720
of the National Food
Processors Association.
401
00:25:56,721 --> 00:25:58,639
These regulatory agencies
402
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,975
are being controlled
by the very companies
403
00:26:00,976 --> 00:26:02,726
that they're supposed
to be scrutinizing.
404
00:26:02,727 --> 00:26:05,396
WOMAN: ConAgra, which recently
recalled peanut butter
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00:26:05,397 --> 00:26:07,147
contaminated with salmonella,
406
00:26:07,148 --> 00:26:10,317
was aware of problems in
its plant two years ago.
407
00:26:21,538 --> 00:26:23,372
SCHLOSSER: There's always
been food poisoning.
408
00:26:23,373 --> 00:26:26,000
As more and more technology
409
00:26:26,001 --> 00:26:28,043
is being applied to the
production of food,
410
00:26:28,044 --> 00:26:30,045
you would think it would
be getting safer,
411
00:26:30,046 --> 00:26:31,589
not more contaminated.
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00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:34,550
But the processing plants have
gotten bigger and bigger.
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00:26:34,551 --> 00:26:38,554
It's just perfect for
taking bad pathogens
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00:26:38,555 --> 00:26:40,848
and spreading them
far and wide.
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00:26:40,849 --> 00:26:43,726
WOMAN: The recall of frozen
hamburger now includes
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22 million pounds.
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00:26:45,437 --> 00:26:47,980
Enough meat to make a
fast-food hamburger
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00:26:47,981 --> 00:26:51,650
for every adult in America
is being recalled.
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00:26:51,651 --> 00:26:53,652
SCHLOSSER: In the 1970s, there
were literally thousands
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00:26:53,653 --> 00:26:56,155
of slaughterhouses in
the United States.
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00:26:56,156 --> 00:26:59,074
Today we have 13
slaughterhouses
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00:26:59,075 --> 00:27:02,244
that process the
majority of beef
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00:27:02,245 --> 00:27:04,455
that is sold in the
United States.
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00:27:04,456 --> 00:27:06,582
The hamburger of today,
425
00:27:06,583 --> 00:27:10,461
it has pieces of thousands
of different cattle
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00:27:10,462 --> 00:27:12,755
ground up in that one
hamburger Patty.
427
00:27:12,756 --> 00:27:17,176
The odds increase exponentially
that one of those animals
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00:27:17,177 --> 00:27:19,845
was carrying a
dangerous pathogen.
429
00:27:19,846 --> 00:27:23,390
It's remarkable how toothless
430
00:27:23,391 --> 00:27:27,269
our regulatory agencies are
when you look closely at it,
431
00:27:27,270 --> 00:27:29,146
and that's how the
industry wants it.
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00:27:38,448 --> 00:27:42,159
PATRICIA BUCK: This is the
USDA building up here.
433
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,621
Did Josh say how much
time he thought we'd get?
434
00:27:45,622 --> 00:27:47,331
- Five minutes.
- Five minutes.
435
00:27:47,332 --> 00:27:50,751
Well, maybe as much as 15. Got
to be on time for that meeting.
436
00:27:50,752 --> 00:27:52,961
- It starts a 4:00.
- Okay.
437
00:27:52,962 --> 00:27:55,839
So if I start going like that
438
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,218
- or start shuffling papers,
it's time. - I know, it's time.
439
00:27:59,219 --> 00:28:02,054
Thank you! Thank you.
440
00:28:03,932 --> 00:28:06,725
KOWALCYK: I'm a
registered Republican.
441
00:28:06,726 --> 00:28:09,478
I've always been
fairly conservative.
442
00:28:09,479 --> 00:28:12,314
I never thought I
would be doing this
443
00:28:12,315 --> 00:28:14,316
and I certainly never
thought I would be
444
00:28:14,317 --> 00:28:16,318
working so closely
with my mom.
445
00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:18,445
- We go this way? Okay.
- Yes, we go this way.
446
00:28:18,446 --> 00:28:21,115
Made a mistake... I think
that's the way we want to go.
447
00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:23,867
KOWALCYK: My mom and I,
our relationship has
448
00:28:23,868 --> 00:28:26,495
taken on a whole
new dimension.
449
00:28:26,496 --> 00:28:28,914
2421? 2421.
450
00:28:28,915 --> 00:28:30,666
Here we are.
451
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,590
- Hi.
- Hello.
452
00:28:38,591 --> 00:28:40,676
- How are you?
- I'm Pat.
453
00:28:40,677 --> 00:28:42,845
- Hi, Pat.
- Barb Kowalcyk.
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00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:46,265
- Hi, Barb. - DeGette:
After the first big push
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00:28:46,266 --> 00:28:50,144
to establish food standards,
people just got complacent.
456
00:28:50,145 --> 00:28:53,439
We reduced funding
for the FDA.
457
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,691
We've relied increasingly
458
00:28:55,692 --> 00:28:58,527
on self-policing for all
of these industries.
459
00:28:58,528 --> 00:29:01,613
And now we just have, really,
460
00:29:01,614 --> 00:29:05,075
lost our system.
461
00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:08,537
You're really one of the
champions on the hill
462
00:29:08,538 --> 00:29:10,706
for food safety and it's
a very important 'cause.
463
00:29:10,707 --> 00:29:14,543
It's very personal
to me and my family.
464
00:29:14,544 --> 00:29:18,714
Our food safety advocacy
work started six years ago
465
00:29:18,715 --> 00:29:21,550
when my two-and-
a-half-year-old son Kevin
466
00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:25,637
was stricken with E.
COLI 0157:H7
467
00:29:25,638 --> 00:29:29,016
and went from being
a perfectly healthy
468
00:29:29,017 --> 00:29:31,143
beautiful little boy...
469
00:29:31,144 --> 00:29:33,479
and I have a small
picture with me today
470
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,356
that was taken two weeks
before he got sick.
471
00:29:36,357 --> 00:29:40,068
He went from that to
being dead in 12 days.
472
00:29:44,824 --> 00:29:46,950
In July 2001,
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00:29:46,951 --> 00:29:49,328
our family took a vacation.
474
00:29:49,329 --> 00:29:52,039
Had we known what was
in store for us,
475
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,916
we would have never gone home.
476
00:29:56,252 --> 00:30:00,214
We ended up eating three
hamburgers before he got sick.
477
00:30:01,591 --> 00:30:05,928
We started to see blood
in Kevin's diarrhea,
478
00:30:05,929 --> 00:30:09,264
so we took him to
the emergency room.
479
00:30:09,265 --> 00:30:11,642
And they said, "We've gotten"
480
00:30:11,643 --> 00:30:14,645
the culture back
from Kevin's stool,
481
00:30:14,646 --> 00:30:17,898
"and he has hemorrhagic E.
Coli."
482
00:30:20,276 --> 00:30:22,611
They came in and informed us
483
00:30:22,612 --> 00:30:24,905
that Kevin's kidneys
were starting to fail.
484
00:30:26,241 --> 00:30:29,618
Kevin received his first
dialysis treatment.
485
00:30:31,287 --> 00:30:34,206
He was not allowed to
really drink water.
486
00:30:34,207 --> 00:30:37,501
We had these little sponges
487
00:30:37,502 --> 00:30:40,712
and we were allowed to dip
that into a cup of water
488
00:30:40,713 --> 00:30:42,923
and then give him that.
489
00:30:45,802 --> 00:30:50,597
He bit the head off
of one of them.
490
00:30:50,598 --> 00:30:53,517
You've never seen someone beg.
491
00:30:53,518 --> 00:30:57,229
He begged for water. It was
all he could talk about.
492
00:30:57,230 --> 00:31:00,649
They wouldn't let anybody bring
any beverage into the room
493
00:31:00,650 --> 00:31:03,777
because... I mean, it was
all he would talk about,
494
00:31:03,778 --> 00:31:06,864
was... water.
495
00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:08,866
(WAVES LAPPING)
496
00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:13,620
I don't know if he knew what
was happening to him...
497
00:31:16,124 --> 00:31:18,208
and I hope... I don't know.
498
00:31:20,378 --> 00:31:22,796
To watch this
beautiful child go
499
00:31:22,797 --> 00:31:26,091
from being perfectly healthy
to dead in 12 days...
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00:31:26,092 --> 00:31:28,343
it was just unbelievable
501
00:31:28,344 --> 00:31:32,306
that this could happen
from eating food.
502
00:31:33,516 --> 00:31:36,768
What was kind of adding
more insult to injury...
503
00:31:36,769 --> 00:31:39,271
it took us almost
two or three years
504
00:31:39,272 --> 00:31:41,023
and hiring a private attorney
505
00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:43,191
to actually find out that
we matched a meat recall.
506
00:31:43,192 --> 00:31:46,695
On August 1st, my son was
already in the hospital.
507
00:31:46,696 --> 00:31:50,157
They did an E. Coli test at
the plant that was positive.
508
00:31:50,158 --> 00:31:52,075
They didn't end up
recalling that meat
509
00:31:52,076 --> 00:31:54,995
until August 27th,
510
00:31:54,996 --> 00:31:57,539
16 days after he died.
511
00:31:57,540 --> 00:32:00,584
If we have some more hearings...
which I'm sure we will...
512
00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:02,711
I'd love to have you
come and testify.
513
00:32:02,712 --> 00:32:05,756
- Keep fighting.
- Thank you. You too.
514
00:32:05,757 --> 00:32:08,258
KOWALCYK: You never get over
the death of your child.
515
00:32:08,259 --> 00:32:11,720
You find a new normal.
516
00:32:11,721 --> 00:32:13,305
- Buck: This way?
- Yes.
517
00:32:13,306 --> 00:32:15,515
- We're going this way?
- Mm-hmm.
518
00:32:15,516 --> 00:32:17,309
KOWALCYK: We put faith
in our government
519
00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:19,853
to protect us,
520
00:32:19,854 --> 00:32:22,230
and we're not being protected
521
00:32:22,231 --> 00:32:24,066
at a most basic level.
522
00:32:27,070 --> 00:32:31,406
In 1998, the USDA implemented
microbial testing
523
00:32:31,407 --> 00:32:35,285
for salmonella and E.
COLI 0157:H7.
524
00:32:37,580 --> 00:32:42,250
The idea was that if a plant
repeatedly failed these tests,
525
00:32:42,251 --> 00:32:44,002
that the USDA would
shut the plant down
526
00:32:44,003 --> 00:32:47,297
because they obviously had an
ongoing contamination problem.
527
00:32:48,716 --> 00:32:50,592
The meat and poultry
associations
528
00:32:50,593 --> 00:32:52,844
immediately took
the USDA to court.
529
00:32:54,055 --> 00:32:56,139
The courts basically said
530
00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:58,058
the USDA didn't
have the authority
531
00:32:58,059 --> 00:33:00,102
to shut down the plants.
532
00:33:00,103 --> 00:33:02,104
What it meant was that
533
00:33:02,105 --> 00:33:05,357
you could have a pound of
meat or poultry products
534
00:33:05,358 --> 00:33:08,819
that is a petri
dish of salmonella
535
00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:11,780
and the USDA really can't
do anything about it.
536
00:33:15,034 --> 00:33:18,328
A new law was introduced
in direct response
537
00:33:18,329 --> 00:33:21,581
and this law became
known as Kevin's Law.
538
00:33:33,011 --> 00:33:37,973
It seems like such a clear-cut,
common sense type thing.
539
00:33:37,974 --> 00:33:39,975
- How are things going?
- Fine fine.
540
00:33:39,976 --> 00:33:41,727
KOWALCYK: We've been
working for six years
541
00:33:41,728 --> 00:33:43,812
and it still hasn't passed.
542
00:33:43,813 --> 00:33:46,231
I sense that there may be
543
00:33:46,232 --> 00:33:48,525
an opportunity... an
enhanced opportunity...
544
00:33:48,526 --> 00:33:50,485
to get this signed
into law this time.
545
00:33:50,486 --> 00:33:53,155
I think that from the
standpoint of the consumer,
546
00:33:53,156 --> 00:33:55,449
a lot of people would
support the idea
547
00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:58,493
of paying a little more if
they could be guaranteed
548
00:33:58,494 --> 00:34:01,079
a higher standard of safety.
549
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,290
- Kowalcyk: Yeah.
- But I also know
550
00:34:03,291 --> 00:34:04,958
that there are other players
551
00:34:04,959 --> 00:34:07,836
- in the food production
chain... - Kowalcyk: We know.
552
00:34:07,837 --> 00:34:10,297
...that tend to
worry about that,
553
00:34:10,298 --> 00:34:13,050
because it's gonna be seen
as an add-on to their costs.
554
00:34:13,051 --> 00:34:15,385
I think the advantage
here is...
555
00:34:15,386 --> 00:34:17,512
KOWALCYK: Sometimes
it does feel like
556
00:34:17,513 --> 00:34:20,682
industry was more
protected than my son.
557
00:34:20,683 --> 00:34:24,811
That's what motivated me
to become an advocate.
558
00:34:24,812 --> 00:34:27,230
In the past year
alone, there have been
559
00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:29,232
a multitude of food-borne
illness outbreaks
560
00:34:29,233 --> 00:34:31,693
which have resulted in
significant losses.
561
00:34:31,694 --> 00:34:33,862
Clearly our current approach
562
00:34:33,863 --> 00:34:35,614
to food oversight
and protection
563
00:34:35,615 --> 00:34:38,075
is not meeting the needs
of American families.
564
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,917
It's really hard for me
to tell Kevin's story.
565
00:34:49,962 --> 00:34:51,963
But the only way I'm
going to be able
566
00:34:51,964 --> 00:34:53,840
to prevent it from
happening to other people
567
00:34:53,841 --> 00:34:57,677
is to go out there
and speak about it.
568
00:35:01,724 --> 00:35:03,475
Yeah.
569
00:35:07,563 --> 00:35:10,899
Six are elementary school
students, one is a sibling,
570
00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:12,734
and there's another
one in another county
571
00:35:12,735 --> 00:35:14,402
in Kentucky, so...
572
00:35:18,282 --> 00:35:20,742
KOWALCYK: It will
be seven years
573
00:35:20,743 --> 00:35:23,078
since my son died.
574
00:35:24,789 --> 00:35:27,040
All I wanted the company to do
575
00:35:27,041 --> 00:35:29,000
was say "We're sorry."
576
00:35:29,001 --> 00:35:31,086
We produced this
defective product
577
00:35:31,087 --> 00:35:33,338
that killed your child,
and this is what
578
00:35:33,339 --> 00:35:36,133
"we're going to do to make
sure it doesn't happen again."
579
00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:38,802
That's all we wanted,
580
00:35:38,803 --> 00:35:40,971
and they couldn't
give us that.
581
00:35:51,107 --> 00:35:53,567
POLLAN: The industrial food
system is always looking
582
00:35:53,568 --> 00:35:56,862
for greater efficiency, but
each new step in efficiency
583
00:35:56,863 --> 00:35:59,114
leads to problems.
584
00:35:59,115 --> 00:36:02,909
If you take feedlot cattle
off of their corn diet,
585
00:36:02,910 --> 00:36:04,953
give them grass for five days,
586
00:36:04,954 --> 00:36:07,873
they will shed 80% of the E.
Coli in their gut.
587
00:36:07,874 --> 00:36:09,749
But of course that's not
what the industry does.
588
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:11,209
The industry's approach is...
589
00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:13,628
when it has a systematic
problem like that...
590
00:36:13,629 --> 00:36:16,715
is not to go back and see
what's wrong with the system,
591
00:36:16,716 --> 00:36:20,135
it's to come up some high-tech fixes
that allow the system to survive.
592
00:36:29,812 --> 00:36:31,771
MAN: The 5x5 product
surge tank...
593
00:36:31,772 --> 00:36:33,773
low level. Low level.
594
00:36:33,774 --> 00:36:36,443
(MAN SPEAKS OVER RADIO)
595
00:36:36,444 --> 00:36:38,278
ELDON ROTH: This is our
operations center.
596
00:36:38,279 --> 00:36:40,530
We control all of our
plants from here.
597
00:36:40,531 --> 00:36:42,490
Where's Chicago?
Here's Chicago,
598
00:36:42,491 --> 00:36:44,993
Georgia, Utah, Kansas,
599
00:36:44,994 --> 00:36:48,371
Nebraska, Texas, L.A., Ohio.
600
00:36:50,041 --> 00:36:52,500
We control all levels
of the gearboxes,
601
00:36:52,501 --> 00:36:54,169
the speed of motors...
602
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:56,213
we can change those
all from here.
603
00:37:04,388 --> 00:37:06,389
We built something that...
604
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:08,225
from a food-safety standpoint,
605
00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:10,518
we think we're ahead
of everybody.
606
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:14,022
We think we can
lessen the incidents
607
00:37:14,023 --> 00:37:16,399
of E. COLI 0157:H7.
608
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,401
(BEEPS)
609
00:37:18,402 --> 00:37:20,528
But I just started
working with ammonia
610
00:37:20,529 --> 00:37:22,239
and ammonia hydroxide.
611
00:37:23,532 --> 00:37:26,034
Ammonia kills bacteria,
612
00:37:26,035 --> 00:37:29,162
so it became a
processing tool.
613
00:37:41,175 --> 00:37:43,051
I'm really a mechanic.
614
00:37:43,052 --> 00:37:44,928
That's really what I am.
615
00:37:44,929 --> 00:37:47,514
We design our own machinery.
616
00:38:00,903 --> 00:38:02,904
(WHIRRING)
617
00:38:11,497 --> 00:38:13,498
ROTH: This is our
finished product.
618
00:38:24,593 --> 00:38:27,345
MAN: Is your meat in most of
the hamburgers in the country?
619
00:38:27,346 --> 00:38:29,347
ROTH: 70%.
620
00:38:29,348 --> 00:38:32,976
In five years, we think
we'll be in 100%.
621
00:38:32,977 --> 00:38:34,978
We do have some competitors.
622
00:38:34,979 --> 00:38:37,272
I think we're gonna beat them.
623
00:38:37,273 --> 00:38:40,650
- (BUZZES)
- Roth: Again, it's a marriage
624
00:38:40,651 --> 00:38:42,610
of science and technology.
625
00:38:42,611 --> 00:38:44,612
(MAN SPEAKING OVER RADIO)
626
00:38:57,793 --> 00:39:00,587
I want dollar meal...
627
00:39:00,588 --> 00:39:04,215
- five rodeo cheeseburgers...
- Woman: Five rodeos. Okay.
628
00:39:04,216 --> 00:39:06,468
...two chicken sandwich.
629
00:39:06,469 --> 00:39:08,386
- Woman: Anything else?
- Man: Two small drinks,
630
00:39:08,387 --> 00:39:10,638
and give me a
large Dr. Pepper.
631
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:12,766
- $11.48.
- Thank you.
632
00:39:12,767 --> 00:39:14,768
First window. Thank you.
633
00:39:19,231 --> 00:39:21,483
MARIA GONZALEZ: We didn't even
think about healthy eating
634
00:39:21,484 --> 00:39:23,568
because we used to think
everything was healthy.
635
00:39:23,569 --> 00:39:25,779
- Here you go.
- Thank you.
636
00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:27,989
- Have a nice day.
- You too. Thank you very much.
637
00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:31,409
MARIA: Now that I
know that the food is
638
00:39:31,410 --> 00:39:33,411
really unhealthy for us,
639
00:39:33,412 --> 00:39:36,581
I feel guilty giving
it to my kids.
640
00:39:36,582 --> 00:39:40,293
But we don't have time to cook
because we leave at 6:00.
641
00:39:40,294 --> 00:39:43,671
We don't get home until
9:00, 10:00 at night.
642
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,800
When you have only
a dollar to spend
643
00:39:46,801 --> 00:39:48,802
and you have two kids to feed,
644
00:39:48,803 --> 00:39:51,054
either you go to the market
645
00:39:51,055 --> 00:39:52,931
and try to find
something that's cheap
646
00:39:52,932 --> 00:39:54,974
or just go straight
through a drive-thru
647
00:39:54,975 --> 00:39:57,310
and get two small
hamburgers for them
648
00:39:57,311 --> 00:39:59,270
and "Okay, here. Eat them."
649
00:39:59,271 --> 00:40:01,231
This is what's
gonna fill her up,
650
00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:04,067
not that one single
item at the market.
651
00:40:10,032 --> 00:40:11,741
Look at the broccoli.
652
00:40:11,742 --> 00:40:13,660
It's too expensive, man.
653
00:40:16,497 --> 00:40:19,999
- What do you want to eat then?
- Mama.
654
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,253
First check to see how many
are there for a pound.
655
00:40:28,384 --> 00:40:30,343
- Uh, we're not getting it.
- Why not?
656
00:40:30,344 --> 00:40:32,053
You'd only get two or three.
657
00:40:32,054 --> 00:40:35,056
- No. Come on.
- Aww!
658
00:40:40,354 --> 00:40:43,273
MARIA: We can find
candy that's cheaper.
659
00:40:43,274 --> 00:40:45,233
We can find chips
that are cheaper.
660
00:40:45,234 --> 00:40:47,152
The sodas are really cheap.
661
00:40:47,153 --> 00:40:49,279
Sometimes you look at
a vegetable and say.
662
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,823
"Okay, we can get two
hamburgers over here
663
00:40:51,824 --> 00:40:53,324
for the same amount of price."
664
00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:56,536
POLLAN: Why is it
that you can buy
665
00:40:56,537 --> 00:40:58,997
a double-cheeseburger
at McDonald's for 99¢,
666
00:40:58,998 --> 00:41:01,958
and you can't even get a
head of broccoli for 99¢?
667
00:41:01,959 --> 00:41:04,836
- You want the small one?
- We've skewed our food system
668
00:41:04,837 --> 00:41:06,921
to the bad calories
669
00:41:06,922 --> 00:41:09,716
and it's not an accident.
670
00:41:09,717 --> 00:41:13,344
I mean, the reasons that those
calories are cheaper is
671
00:41:13,345 --> 00:41:15,972
because those are the ones
we're heavily subsidizing.
672
00:41:18,684 --> 00:41:21,060
And this is directly tied
to the kind of agriculture
673
00:41:21,061 --> 00:41:22,562
that we're practicing
674
00:41:22,563 --> 00:41:24,689
and the kind of farm
policies we have.
675
00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:26,983
All those snack-food
calories are
676
00:41:26,984 --> 00:41:29,652
the ones that come from
the commodity crops...
677
00:41:29,653 --> 00:41:31,488
from the wheat, from the corn
678
00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:33,198
and from the soybeans.
679
00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:35,617
By making those
calories really cheap,
680
00:41:35,618 --> 00:41:38,495
that's one of the reasons
that the biggest predictor
681
00:41:38,496 --> 00:41:40,163
of obesity is income level.
682
00:41:40,164 --> 00:41:42,499
Over the course
of human history,
683
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,334
we were struggling
to make sure we had
684
00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:46,503
enough food and
enough calories
685
00:41:46,504 --> 00:41:48,880
for a sizable percentage
of the human race.
686
00:41:48,881 --> 00:41:50,924
Now the problem is
too many calories.
687
00:41:50,925 --> 00:41:53,551
The industry blames obesity
688
00:41:53,552 --> 00:41:55,678
on a crisis of personal
responsibility.
689
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:58,306
But when you're
engineering foods
690
00:41:58,307 --> 00:42:01,017
you are pressing our
evolutionary buttons.
691
00:42:01,018 --> 00:42:03,728
The fact is we're hardwired
692
00:42:03,729 --> 00:42:06,105
to go for three tastes...
693
00:42:06,106 --> 00:42:08,858
salt, fat and sugar.
694
00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:10,693
These things are
very rare in nature.
695
00:42:10,694 --> 00:42:13,613
Now sugar is available 24/7
696
00:42:13,614 --> 00:42:15,365
in tremendous quantities.
697
00:42:15,366 --> 00:42:18,535
We're eating hundreds of
pounds of the stuff a year.
698
00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:20,703
This diet of
high-fructose corn syrup
699
00:42:20,704 --> 00:42:22,497
and refined carbohydrates
700
00:42:22,498 --> 00:42:24,541
leads to these
spikes of Insulin
701
00:42:24,542 --> 00:42:27,669
and, gradually, a wearing
down of the system
702
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:29,963
by which our body
metabolizes sugar.
703
00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:37,512
MARIA: My husband's diabetic.
704
00:42:37,513 --> 00:42:39,639
One of my main concerns is
705
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,891
he could lose his sight.
706
00:42:41,892 --> 00:42:46,312
He does get into...
sometimes he's shaking,
707
00:42:46,313 --> 00:42:49,691
so I'm afraid that he's gonna
start not being able to drive,
708
00:42:49,692 --> 00:42:51,859
'cause that's what he
does for a profession.
709
00:42:51,860 --> 00:42:54,779
We have to consider
his medicine.
710
00:42:54,780 --> 00:42:56,781
What is it, $70?
711
00:42:56,782 --> 00:42:59,742
50 pills costs me about $130.
712
00:42:59,743 --> 00:43:01,494
MARIA: But he's on two
different types of pills.
713
00:43:01,495 --> 00:43:03,204
$100-and-something
for one pill
714
00:43:03,205 --> 00:43:05,164
and then $100-
and-something for another.
715
00:43:05,165 --> 00:43:07,208
That takes a lot of
our income away.
716
00:43:07,209 --> 00:43:10,461
We're really tight from either
717
00:43:10,462 --> 00:43:12,589
paying for his
medicine to be healthy
718
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:16,259
or buying vegetables
to be healthy.
719
00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:18,344
So which one should we do?
720
00:43:20,723 --> 00:43:23,683
It's hard to see my dad
suffer with diabetes
721
00:43:23,684 --> 00:43:25,184
and stuff like that.
722
00:43:25,185 --> 00:43:28,313
And it's really sad to see
that my sister might have it.
723
00:43:28,314 --> 00:43:30,398
There's something
that's going on
724
00:43:30,399 --> 00:43:32,525
in the way that we
live our lives,
725
00:43:32,526 --> 00:43:34,611
where we play, where
we buy our food
726
00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:36,529
and the types of food
that we're able to buy
727
00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:39,032
that is causing this epidemic.
728
00:43:39,033 --> 00:43:40,742
It's not just our community.
729
00:43:40,743 --> 00:43:42,619
It's not just Baldwin Park.
It's everywhere.
730
00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:44,871
How many of us know one person
731
00:43:44,872 --> 00:43:46,873
in our family with diabetes?
732
00:43:48,876 --> 00:43:51,044
How about two?
733
00:43:51,045 --> 00:43:53,713
Three? Keep your hand...
734
00:43:53,714 --> 00:43:56,257
It used to be that
type 2 diabetes
735
00:43:56,258 --> 00:43:58,134
only affected adults.
736
00:43:58,135 --> 00:44:01,721
And now it's affecting children
at epidemic proportions.
737
00:44:03,015 --> 00:44:05,391
(KIDS LAUGHING)
738
00:44:19,156 --> 00:44:21,115
(BIRDS CHIRPING)
739
00:44:30,876 --> 00:44:32,877
(CHICKENS CLUCKING)
740
00:44:57,820 --> 00:44:59,362
JOEL SALATIN:
Everything we've done
741
00:44:59,363 --> 00:45:01,155
in modern industrial
agriculture
742
00:45:01,156 --> 00:45:04,784
is to grow it faster,
fatter, bigger, cheaper.
743
00:45:06,203 --> 00:45:08,663
Nobody's thinking about E.
Coli,
744
00:45:08,664 --> 00:45:11,958
type 2 diabetes and
the ecological health
745
00:45:11,959 --> 00:45:14,127
of the whole system.
746
00:45:14,128 --> 00:45:16,546
We're outsourcing
747
00:45:16,547 --> 00:45:20,425
autonomous farmer
decision making...
748
00:45:20,426 --> 00:45:22,552
we're outsourcing that
to corporate boardrooms
749
00:45:22,553 --> 00:45:25,847
in big cities 1,000 miles away
750
00:45:25,848 --> 00:45:27,890
where people make
decisions and don't live
751
00:45:27,891 --> 00:45:30,309
with the consequences
of those decisions.
752
00:45:30,310 --> 00:45:32,311
(COWS MOOING)
753
00:45:49,246 --> 00:45:51,330
Everything is grass based.
754
00:45:51,331 --> 00:45:55,251
You know, they don't
eat corn, dead cows
755
00:45:55,252 --> 00:45:58,421
or chicken manure like they feed
right here in the valley...
756
00:45:58,422 --> 00:46:00,006
or dead chickens.
757
00:46:00,007 --> 00:46:04,177
They actually eat
grass, forage...
758
00:46:04,178 --> 00:46:06,304
you know, clover,
grass, herbs.
759
00:46:06,305 --> 00:46:07,847
They're herbivores.
760
00:46:09,141 --> 00:46:11,309
If they were eating corn,
761
00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:14,312
you're gonna have to harvest
that corn, transport that corn,
762
00:46:14,313 --> 00:46:18,024
then you're gonna have to haul
all that manure somewhere
763
00:46:18,025 --> 00:46:20,610
that comes out the back end.
764
00:46:20,611 --> 00:46:23,571
Here... it's...
765
00:46:23,572 --> 00:46:26,991
there... there is
the whole thing.
766
00:46:26,992 --> 00:46:29,744
I mean the cow is...
she's fertilizing.
767
00:46:29,745 --> 00:46:31,829
She's mowing. We don't
have to spread any manure.
768
00:46:31,830 --> 00:46:34,081
We don't have to harvest it...
she's harvesting it.
769
00:46:34,082 --> 00:46:37,585
It's all real time...
real solar dollars.
770
00:46:39,546 --> 00:46:41,464
The industrial food system
771
00:46:41,465 --> 00:46:44,884
gradually became
so noisy, smelly,
772
00:46:44,885 --> 00:46:47,220
not a person-friendly place,
773
00:46:47,221 --> 00:46:49,680
that the people who
operate those plants
774
00:46:49,681 --> 00:46:51,349
don't want anybody
to go there,
775
00:46:51,350 --> 00:46:53,684
because then people would
see the ugly truth.
776
00:46:55,187 --> 00:46:56,896
When that occurred,
777
00:46:56,897 --> 00:46:59,357
then we lost all the integrity
778
00:46:59,358 --> 00:47:02,568
and all the accountability
in the food system.
779
00:47:04,279 --> 00:47:06,072
If we put glass walls
780
00:47:06,073 --> 00:47:09,242
on all the megaprocessing
facilities,
781
00:47:09,243 --> 00:47:12,370
we would have a different
food system in this country.
782
00:47:12,371 --> 00:47:13,871
(KNIFE ZINGING)
783
00:47:16,333 --> 00:47:18,835
- (CLUCKING)
- (PEOPLE CHATTING)
784
00:47:42,401 --> 00:47:44,360
SALATIN: We have
allowed ourselves
785
00:47:44,361 --> 00:47:47,363
to become so disconnected
and ignorant
786
00:47:47,364 --> 00:47:51,784
- about something that is
as intimate... - (WHIRRING)
787
00:47:51,785 --> 00:47:53,953
- ...as the food that we eat.
- (BUBBLING)
788
00:47:55,789 --> 00:47:58,040
What a difference this
is to be out here
789
00:47:58,041 --> 00:47:59,917
in the fresh air, sunshine,
790
00:47:59,918 --> 00:48:01,794
birds singing in the
trees, you know?
791
00:48:01,795 --> 00:48:04,755
But you see, according
to the U.S.D.A,
792
00:48:04,756 --> 00:48:06,215
this is unsanitary
793
00:48:06,216 --> 00:48:08,175
because it's open to the air.
794
00:48:08,176 --> 00:48:09,635
They tried to close us down.
795
00:48:09,636 --> 00:48:12,054
One of the biggest
showdowns we had was
796
00:48:12,055 --> 00:48:13,764
when they tried
to close us down
797
00:48:13,765 --> 00:48:16,100
because this was unsanitary.
798
00:48:16,101 --> 00:48:17,935
Can you imagine?
799
00:48:17,936 --> 00:48:21,480
So we had them cultured at
a local microbiology lab.
800
00:48:23,650 --> 00:48:28,487
Ours averaged 133 C.F.U.
801
00:48:28,488 --> 00:48:30,865
and the ones from the store
802
00:48:30,866 --> 00:48:33,159
averaged 3600.
803
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,913
Of course, those have been
through 40 trillion baths.
804
00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:39,498
Ours haven't seen
any chlorine.
805
00:48:40,876 --> 00:48:43,502
A lot of people
wonder "Is this real?"
806
00:48:43,503 --> 00:48:45,671
I mean, can you really
feed the world?"
807
00:48:45,672 --> 00:48:49,133
That whole thing is such
a specious argument
808
00:48:49,134 --> 00:48:53,262
because, yes,
809
00:48:53,263 --> 00:48:54,680
we're every bit as efficient,
810
00:48:54,681 --> 00:48:57,141
especially if you plug in
811
00:48:57,142 --> 00:49:00,019
all of the inefficiencies
of the industrial system.
812
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,940
I've had people come
up at farmer's markets
813
00:49:03,941 --> 00:49:08,319
and say "What? $3 a
dozen for eggs?"
814
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,864
And they're drinking
a 75¢ can of soda.
815
00:49:16,036 --> 00:49:19,413
Hey, pig. Hey, piggies.
816
00:49:19,414 --> 00:49:21,707
(SNORTING)
817
00:49:21,708 --> 00:49:23,417
Hey, pigs.
818
00:49:25,087 --> 00:49:29,715
I'm always struck by how
successful we have been
819
00:49:29,716 --> 00:49:32,593
at hitting the bull's-eye
of the wrong target.
820
00:49:34,596 --> 00:49:36,889
I mean we have learned...
for example,
821
00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:40,267
in cattle we have
learned how to...
822
00:49:40,268 --> 00:49:43,688
how to plant,
823
00:49:43,689 --> 00:49:45,815
fertilize and harvest corn
824
00:49:45,816 --> 00:49:48,693
using global positioning
satellite technology,
825
00:49:48,694 --> 00:49:52,071
and nobody sits back and asks.
826
00:49:52,072 --> 00:49:54,907
"But should we be
feeding cows corn?"
827
00:49:54,908 --> 00:49:58,911
We've become a culture
of technicians.
828
00:49:58,912 --> 00:50:00,955
We're all into...
829
00:50:00,956 --> 00:50:03,582
we're all into the how of it
830
00:50:03,583 --> 00:50:05,876
and nobody's stepping back
831
00:50:05,877 --> 00:50:07,795
and saying "But why?"
832
00:50:07,796 --> 00:50:10,381
(LAUGHS)
833
00:50:10,382 --> 00:50:12,591
I mean, a culture
that just views a pig
834
00:50:12,592 --> 00:50:15,261
as a pile of protoplasmic
inanimate structure
835
00:50:15,262 --> 00:50:17,930
to be manipulated by
whatever creative design
836
00:50:17,931 --> 00:50:20,891
that humans can foist
on that critter
837
00:50:20,892 --> 00:50:23,144
will probably view
838
00:50:23,145 --> 00:50:25,229
individuals within
its community
839
00:50:25,230 --> 00:50:28,399
and other cultures in the
community of nations
840
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,651
with the same type of disdain,
841
00:50:30,652 --> 00:50:32,528
disrespect
842
00:50:32,529 --> 00:50:34,905
and controlling-type
mentality.
843
00:50:54,593 --> 00:50:56,594
(SNORTING)
844
00:51:00,849 --> 00:51:03,017
EDUARDO PEÑA: The town
where the plant is located
845
00:51:03,018 --> 00:51:05,269
is a small town
called Tar Heel
846
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:08,606
in the middle of a very
economically-depressed area.
847
00:51:12,235 --> 00:51:14,195
Smithfield has mastered
848
00:51:14,196 --> 00:51:16,655
the art of picking
and choosing
849
00:51:16,656 --> 00:51:19,158
a workforce that
they can exploit,
850
00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:22,328
initially from the
local workforce...
851
00:51:22,329 --> 00:51:25,915
the poor whites,
the poor black.
852
00:51:25,916 --> 00:51:28,876
They went through that
workforce very quickly.
853
00:51:30,253 --> 00:51:32,880
Now they have to
bus their workers
854
00:51:32,881 --> 00:51:36,050
all the way from Dentsville,
South Carolina,
855
00:51:36,051 --> 00:51:38,010
to Clinton, North Carolina.
856
00:51:38,011 --> 00:51:42,348
You have to draw a circle
100 miles in diameter,
857
00:51:42,349 --> 00:51:45,684
and that's where all of your
workers are coming from.
858
00:51:45,685 --> 00:51:49,772
(PEOPLE CHATTING)
859
00:51:53,485 --> 00:51:55,861
MAN: They have the same
mentality towards workers
860
00:51:55,862 --> 00:51:57,363
as they do towards the hogs.
861
00:51:57,364 --> 00:52:00,491
(SQUEALING)
862
00:52:00,492 --> 00:52:04,829
MAN: You know, the hog, they don't
really have to worry about their comfort
863
00:52:04,830 --> 00:52:06,914
because they're temporary.
They're gonna be killed.
864
00:52:08,542 --> 00:52:11,502
And they have the same
viewpoint to the worker.
865
00:52:11,503 --> 00:52:13,671
You're not worried about the
longevity of the worker
866
00:52:13,672 --> 00:52:16,465
because, to them,
everything has an end.
867
00:52:23,974 --> 00:52:26,475
- (CLICKS, WHIRRING)
- (SQUEALING)
868
00:52:37,612 --> 00:52:40,447
MAN: When you've got 2000
hogs an hour going through
869
00:52:40,448 --> 00:52:43,993
employees, because they're
handling these guts so much,
870
00:52:43,994 --> 00:52:46,453
they get infections in
their fingernails and all.
871
00:52:46,454 --> 00:52:48,289
All their fingernails
separate from their fingers.
872
00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:52,585
MAN #2: You're covered
with blood, feces, urine.
873
00:52:52,586 --> 00:52:54,420
It's easy to get
hurt down there.
874
00:52:54,421 --> 00:52:56,380
MAN: You're doing
that same movement
875
00:52:56,381 --> 00:52:58,048
for that same piece of the hog
876
00:52:58,049 --> 00:53:00,217
and it's nonstop, you know.
877
00:53:00,218 --> 00:53:03,262
Basically you're treated
as a human machine.
878
00:53:03,263 --> 00:53:05,848
MAN #3: You get people
that can't afford
879
00:53:05,849 --> 00:53:07,933
to leave from out there,
and Smithfield knows this.
880
00:53:07,934 --> 00:53:10,519
And that's what
they hold over you.
881
00:53:17,027 --> 00:53:18,777
SCHLOSSER: 100 years ago
882
00:53:18,778 --> 00:53:20,905
when Upton Sinclair
wrote "The Jungle"
883
00:53:20,906 --> 00:53:23,616
there was a beef trust that
wielded enormous power.
884
00:53:25,368 --> 00:53:28,621
Immigrants from Eastern
Europe were being abused
885
00:53:28,622 --> 00:53:31,874
in the absence of any kind
of government regulation.
886
00:53:31,875 --> 00:53:35,211
There were horrible
disfiguring injuries
887
00:53:35,212 --> 00:53:36,837
and even deaths.
888
00:53:39,633 --> 00:53:43,177
POLLAN: Things got better.
They slowly got better.
889
00:53:44,638 --> 00:53:47,139
SCHLOSSER: Teddy Roosevelt
took on the beef trust.
890
00:53:47,140 --> 00:53:51,810
Labor unions slowly organized
meatpacking workers
891
00:53:51,811 --> 00:53:54,980
and turned it into one of
the best industrial jobs
892
00:53:54,981 --> 00:53:56,649
in the United States.
893
00:53:57,859 --> 00:54:01,153
By the 1950s to be a
meatpacking worker
894
00:54:01,154 --> 00:54:03,405
was like being an auto worker
895
00:54:03,406 --> 00:54:07,534
who has a good wage,
good benefits, pension.
896
00:54:07,535 --> 00:54:10,120
And then what happened?
897
00:54:10,121 --> 00:54:12,414
Well, the meat-packing
companies got bigger
898
00:54:12,415 --> 00:54:15,334
in order to serve the needs
of the fast-food industry,
899
00:54:15,335 --> 00:54:17,503
which was its
biggest customer.
900
00:54:17,504 --> 00:54:20,172
Some of the meat-packing
companies like IBP
901
00:54:20,173 --> 00:54:22,758
borrowed the same sort
of labor practices
902
00:54:22,759 --> 00:54:24,343
from the fast food industry...
903
00:54:24,344 --> 00:54:27,513
cutting wages, making sure
there were no unions,
904
00:54:27,514 --> 00:54:29,181
speeding up production,
905
00:54:29,182 --> 00:54:31,475
and having the worker
do the same task
906
00:54:31,476 --> 00:54:33,686
again and again and again.
907
00:54:33,687 --> 00:54:35,980
And meat-packing is now
908
00:54:35,981 --> 00:54:38,899
one of the most dangerous
jobs in the United States.
909
00:54:41,319 --> 00:54:43,362
The meat-packing
industry also recruited
910
00:54:43,363 --> 00:54:45,906
a new set of immigrants...
illegal immigrants
911
00:54:45,907 --> 00:54:48,325
and recent immigrants
from Mexico.
912
00:54:50,412 --> 00:54:53,372
Many of the illegal
immigrants coming to America
913
00:54:53,373 --> 00:54:56,041
were corn farmers in Mexico.
914
00:54:56,042 --> 00:54:59,712
NAFTA led to a flooding
of the Mexican market
915
00:54:59,713 --> 00:55:02,172
with cheap American corn.
916
00:55:02,173 --> 00:55:06,719
It's put more than a million and a
half Mexican farmers out of work.
917
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:09,430
They couldn't compete with this
cheap corn coming from America.
918
00:55:09,431 --> 00:55:11,390
(YELLING)
919
00:55:11,391 --> 00:55:14,768
POLLAN: So what happens to those
million and a half Mexican farmers?
920
00:55:15,770 --> 00:55:17,938
SCHLOSSER: Meat
packers like IBP,
921
00:55:17,939 --> 00:55:19,732
National Beef and Monfort
922
00:55:19,733 --> 00:55:22,526
began actively
recruiting in Mexico.
923
00:55:23,778 --> 00:55:26,155
Companies advertised
on the radio
924
00:55:26,156 --> 00:55:27,614
and in newspapers.
925
00:55:27,615 --> 00:55:30,909
IBP set up a bus service
926
00:55:30,910 --> 00:55:34,038
in Mexico to bring workers
into the United States.
927
00:55:36,291 --> 00:55:38,959
For years the government
turned a blind eye
928
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,461
to the recruitment
of immigrants
929
00:55:40,462 --> 00:55:42,296
by the meat-packing industry.
930
00:55:42,297 --> 00:55:44,923
But now, when there's an
anti-immigrant movement,
931
00:55:44,924 --> 00:55:46,550
they're cracking down
all of a sudden,
932
00:55:46,551 --> 00:55:48,802
but they're not cracking
down on these companies.
933
00:55:48,803 --> 00:55:51,513
The government's cracking
down on the workers.
934
00:56:01,941 --> 00:56:03,942
(CLEARS THROAT)
935
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:14,161
PEÑA: Immigration agents are
arresting Smithfield workers
936
00:56:14,162 --> 00:56:17,164
- at this trailer park.
- (PEOPLE CHATTING)
937
00:56:17,165 --> 00:56:18,999
PEÑA: This is an agreement
938
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,293
between Smithfield and
Immigrations authorities.
939
00:56:21,294 --> 00:56:23,962
They get rid of 15
workers per day,
940
00:56:23,963 --> 00:56:26,298
but you don't see
any massive raids.
941
00:56:26,299 --> 00:56:28,801
That way it doesn't affect
the production line.
942
00:56:28,802 --> 00:56:30,803
- (DOOR CLOSES)
- (ENGINE STARTS)
943
00:56:37,477 --> 00:56:41,355
- (PEÑA SPEAKING SPANISH)
- (CAR HONKING)
944
00:56:41,356 --> 00:56:44,691
- Sir, we are trying...
- She asked me a question.
945
00:56:44,692 --> 00:56:46,527
She is asking us
questions, not you.
946
00:56:48,822 --> 00:56:51,907
I don't see anybody arresting
no Smithfield managers.
947
00:56:51,908 --> 00:56:54,201
Nobody in the plant
that had anything to do
948
00:56:54,202 --> 00:56:55,869
with the fact that those
workers were hired
949
00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:57,329
is being arrested.
950
00:56:57,330 --> 00:56:59,832
What we see today is workers
951
00:56:59,833 --> 00:57:01,875
who were producing for this
company and working hard...
952
00:57:01,876 --> 00:57:03,877
those are the people
who get arrested.
953
00:57:07,715 --> 00:57:09,716
(MAN YELLING IN SPANISH)
954
00:57:20,103 --> 00:57:22,604
PEÑA: We want to pay the
cheapest price for our food.
955
00:57:22,605 --> 00:57:25,190
We don't understand that
that comes at a price.
956
00:57:26,693 --> 00:57:30,362
These workers, they've
been here for 10, 15 years
957
00:57:30,363 --> 00:57:34,658
processing your bacon,
your holiday ham
958
00:57:34,659 --> 00:57:37,744
and now they're getting picked
up like they're criminals.
959
00:57:37,745 --> 00:57:39,163
(CAR STARTS)
960
00:57:39,164 --> 00:57:42,249
And these companies are
making billions of dollars.
961
00:58:11,112 --> 00:58:13,655
SALATIN: Is cheapness
everything that there is?
962
00:58:13,656 --> 00:58:16,283
Who wants to buy
the cheapest car?
963
00:58:16,284 --> 00:58:18,785
We're willing to subsidize
964
00:58:18,786 --> 00:58:21,622
the food system to
create the "mystique"
965
00:58:21,623 --> 00:58:23,582
of cheap food,
966
00:58:23,583 --> 00:58:26,793
when actually it's
very expensive food
967
00:58:26,794 --> 00:58:29,713
when you add up the
environmental costs
968
00:58:29,714 --> 00:58:32,758
societal costs, health costs.
969
00:58:34,469 --> 00:58:37,471
The industrial food
is not honest food.
970
00:58:37,472 --> 00:58:40,182
It's not priced honestly.
It's not produced honestly.
971
00:58:40,183 --> 00:58:41,808
It's not processed honestly.
972
00:58:41,809 --> 00:58:44,811
There's nothing honest
about that food.
973
00:58:46,773 --> 00:58:50,234
I can't think of a better
use for a Smithfield box.
974
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,863
MAN: It was about
a five-hour drive
975
00:58:54,864 --> 00:58:56,990
maybe 300, 400 miles.
976
00:58:56,991 --> 00:58:59,076
So yeah.
977
00:58:59,077 --> 00:59:00,827
It's worth it.
978
00:59:03,540 --> 00:59:06,833
SALATIN: I have no desire
to scale up or get bigger.
979
00:59:08,169 --> 00:59:11,046
My desire is to produce the
best food in the world
980
00:59:11,047 --> 00:59:13,090
and heal.
981
00:59:13,091 --> 00:59:15,551
And if in doing so
982
00:59:15,552 --> 00:59:20,180
more people come to our
corner and want stuff,
983
00:59:20,181 --> 00:59:23,517
then heaven help me figure
out how to meet the need
984
00:59:23,518 --> 00:59:25,352
without compromising
the integrity.
985
00:59:25,353 --> 00:59:26,895
That... that's where I am.
986
00:59:26,896 --> 00:59:30,774
I have absolutely no desire
987
00:59:30,775 --> 00:59:33,110
to be at Wal-Mart.
988
00:59:33,111 --> 00:59:37,739
As soon as you grasp
for that growth,
989
00:59:37,740 --> 00:59:40,409
you're gonna view your
customer differently,
990
00:59:40,410 --> 00:59:42,202
you're gonna view your
product differently,
991
00:59:42,203 --> 00:59:44,288
you're gonna view your
business differently.
992
00:59:44,289 --> 00:59:48,292
You're gonna view everything
that is the most important...
993
00:59:48,293 --> 00:59:50,127
you're gonna view
that differently.
994
00:59:50,128 --> 00:59:52,129
(SNORTING)
995
00:59:55,550 --> 00:59:57,551
(PEOPLE CHATTING)
996
01:00:05,852 --> 01:00:08,103
This is our new organic
line of popcorn.
997
01:00:08,104 --> 01:00:10,022
This is Vitasoy soy milk,
998
01:00:10,023 --> 01:00:11,732
the best soy milk in
the entire world.
999
01:00:12,859 --> 01:00:15,485
This entire show when
it first started
1000
01:00:15,486 --> 01:00:17,487
was the size of this
column right here.
1001
01:00:17,488 --> 01:00:18,822
MAN: Uh-huh.
1002
01:00:18,823 --> 01:00:20,949
Several of us were
sleeping in our booths.
1003
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:22,576
We couldn't afford
hotel rooms.
1004
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,622
Organic's been growing
over 20% annually.
1005
01:00:26,623 --> 01:00:30,584
It's one of the fastest-growing
segments in the food industry.
1006
01:00:30,585 --> 01:00:32,085
My God! Ah!
1007
01:00:32,086 --> 01:00:33,670
We're not gonna get
rid of capitalism.
1008
01:00:33,671 --> 01:00:35,589
Certainly we're not
gonna get rid of it
1009
01:00:35,590 --> 01:00:38,675
in the time that we need
to arrest global warming
1010
01:00:38,676 --> 01:00:40,927
and reverse the toxification
1011
01:00:40,928 --> 01:00:42,971
of our air, our
food and our water.
1012
01:00:42,972 --> 01:00:44,890
We need to be
much more urgent.
1013
01:00:44,891 --> 01:00:48,435
If we attempt to make perfect
the enemy of the good
1014
01:00:48,436 --> 01:00:50,187
and say we're only
going to buy food
1015
01:00:50,188 --> 01:00:52,773
from the most-perfect system
1016
01:00:52,774 --> 01:00:55,609
within 100 miles of us, we're
never gonna get there.
1017
01:01:00,448 --> 01:01:02,741
As an environmentalist,
it was pretty clear to me
1018
01:01:02,742 --> 01:01:04,910
that business was the source
of all the pollution,
1019
01:01:04,911 --> 01:01:07,537
business was the source of
basically all the things
1020
01:01:07,538 --> 01:01:09,706
that were destroying
this world.
1021
01:01:13,211 --> 01:01:16,296
In college I came across
this little institute
1022
01:01:16,297 --> 01:01:17,839
called New Alchemy Institute,
1023
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,967
which was a group of
renegade biologists.
1024
01:01:20,968 --> 01:01:22,969
My hope is to give you...
1025
01:01:22,970 --> 01:01:26,973
HIRSHBERG: We were preaching
a kind of a new religion,
1026
01:01:26,974 --> 01:01:30,644
trying to develop food and
waste-treatment alternatives,
1027
01:01:30,645 --> 01:01:32,729
but we were preaching
to the convinced.
1028
01:01:32,730 --> 01:01:37,067
We were depending on sources
of support that were dried up
1029
01:01:37,068 --> 01:01:39,152
and we weren't
reaching the audience
1030
01:01:39,153 --> 01:01:41,446
that really needed
these messages.
1031
01:01:41,447 --> 01:01:45,701
I realized we need
to not be David
1032
01:01:45,702 --> 01:01:48,495
up against Goliath. We
need to be Goliath.
1033
01:01:50,540 --> 01:01:52,541
(CLACKING)
1034
01:01:59,549 --> 01:02:03,301
HIRSHBERG: When we started
out, we were a seven-cow farm.
1035
01:02:03,302 --> 01:02:08,014
We wanted to prove that business
could be part of the solution
1036
01:02:08,015 --> 01:02:09,975
to the globe's
environmental problems.
1037
01:02:09,976 --> 01:02:11,935
At the same time
we had to prove
1038
01:02:11,936 --> 01:02:13,812
that we could be
highly profitable.
1039
01:02:16,566 --> 01:02:19,109
Today in 2008, not only are
1040
01:02:19,110 --> 01:02:21,820
we the #3 yogurt
brand in America,
1041
01:02:21,821 --> 01:02:23,822
but we're among the
most profitable.
1042
01:02:34,667 --> 01:02:36,626
See, this is the
interesting thing.
1043
01:02:36,627 --> 01:02:38,587
A little company like
this is now Kraft,
1044
01:02:38,588 --> 01:02:40,630
but you don't have any
idea that it's Kraft.
1045
01:02:40,631 --> 01:02:43,717
This is now Pepsi.
That's now Kellogg's.
1046
01:02:43,718 --> 01:02:46,136
- Man: Kashi is Kellogg's?
- Yeah.
1047
01:02:46,137 --> 01:02:49,139
- This is Colgate now.
- Oh, is it?
1048
01:02:49,140 --> 01:02:52,476
Yeah, this is one of those
companies that started like us.
1049
01:02:55,313 --> 01:02:57,314
- Well, it's...
- Make them different?
1050
01:02:57,315 --> 01:02:59,316
Make them successful,
basically.
1051
01:02:59,317 --> 01:03:03,487
The jury is out. I have
to put it that way.
1052
01:03:04,489 --> 01:03:07,407
HIRSHBERG: These large companies
don't grow organically.
1053
01:03:07,408 --> 01:03:09,743
They grow by acquisition.
1054
01:03:09,744 --> 01:03:12,370
Coke, Pepsi, Kellogg's,
General Mills...
1055
01:03:12,371 --> 01:03:14,039
all of them are running,
1056
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,082
not walking, into the
organic food business.
1057
01:03:24,342 --> 01:03:27,344
HIRSHBERG: For me, when a Wal-Mart
enters the organic space,
1058
01:03:27,345 --> 01:03:29,930
I'm thrilled. It's absolutely one
of the most exciting things.
1059
01:03:29,931 --> 01:03:32,057
I have dreamed of the day
1060
01:03:32,058 --> 01:03:34,059
when I could sit with
corporate titans
1061
01:03:34,060 --> 01:03:36,228
and have conversations
1062
01:03:36,229 --> 01:03:38,230
about organics and
sustainability.
1063
01:03:38,231 --> 01:03:40,941
- This is Amanda. This is Rand.
- Hi Amanda. I'm Rand.
1064
01:03:40,942 --> 01:03:43,151
- Rand, nice to meet you.
- Tony.
1065
01:03:43,152 --> 01:03:44,736
- Tony. Great.
- Nice to meet you.
1066
01:03:44,737 --> 01:03:47,030
Okay, help me
figure out where...
1067
01:03:47,031 --> 01:03:49,449
- We both work for Wal-Mart.
- You're with Wal-Mart.
1068
01:03:49,450 --> 01:03:50,617
Yup.
1069
01:03:50,618 --> 01:03:52,160
Do you know that we
don't go to Wal-Mart?
1070
01:03:52,161 --> 01:03:54,037
- We've never been.
- Rand: Oh yeah.
1071
01:03:54,038 --> 01:03:56,915
- Isn't that amazing?
- So we had to come to you.
1072
01:03:56,916 --> 01:03:58,834
Yeah, we've never been.
1073
01:03:58,835 --> 01:04:00,544
We just started boycotting
a long time ago
1074
01:04:00,545 --> 01:04:03,213
and we just kept
riding on that.
1075
01:04:03,214 --> 01:04:05,924
HIRSHBERG: Wal-Mart
is terribly sensitive
1076
01:04:05,925 --> 01:04:07,425
to their reputation.
1077
01:04:07,426 --> 01:04:09,928
They've obviously
been vilified,
1078
01:04:09,929 --> 01:04:12,055
probably more
than any retailer
1079
01:04:12,056 --> 01:04:14,057
in our current economy.
1080
01:04:14,058 --> 01:04:16,434
Actually, it's a
pretty easy decision
1081
01:04:16,435 --> 01:04:19,980
to try to support things like
organic, or whatever it might be,
1082
01:04:19,981 --> 01:04:22,399
based on what the
customer wants.
1083
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,442
We see that and react to it.
1084
01:04:24,443 --> 01:04:27,153
So if it's clear the
customer wants it,
1085
01:04:27,154 --> 01:04:29,614
it's really easy
to get behind it,
1086
01:04:29,615 --> 01:04:31,335
to push forward and try
to make that happen.
1087
01:04:32,910 --> 01:04:35,579
HIRSHBERG: When I run into my
old environmental friends,
1088
01:04:35,580 --> 01:04:38,290
many are initially horrified
1089
01:04:38,291 --> 01:04:42,210
by the kinds of company that
I'm keeping these days.
1090
01:04:42,211 --> 01:04:44,963
But when I then
go on to explain
1091
01:04:44,964 --> 01:04:47,966
what the impact of one purchase
order from Wal-Mart is,
1092
01:04:47,967 --> 01:04:51,136
in terms of not pounds
but tons of pesticide,
1093
01:04:51,137 --> 01:04:53,889
tons of herbicide, tons
of chemical fertilizer,
1094
01:04:53,890 --> 01:04:57,100
the discussion... we get
away from the emotion
1095
01:04:57,101 --> 01:04:59,144
and we get down to the facts.
1096
01:04:59,145 --> 01:05:02,314
This is really key, though,
what you guys are doing here.
1097
01:05:06,152 --> 01:05:08,320
I have no illusions
about this.
1098
01:05:08,321 --> 01:05:10,155
I don't believe that
Wal-Mart has come here
1099
01:05:10,156 --> 01:05:13,199
because they've suddenly
had a moral enlightenment.
1100
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,827
It's because of economics.
1101
01:05:15,828 --> 01:05:18,788
I can debate with my radical
friends all day long,
1102
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:21,041
but nobody can
challenge the fact
1103
01:05:21,042 --> 01:05:23,835
that a sale of another
million dollars to Wal-Mart
1104
01:05:23,836 --> 01:05:25,587
helps to save the world.
1105
01:05:34,305 --> 01:05:36,640
POLLAN: Back around the
turn of the last century,
1106
01:05:36,641 --> 01:05:39,184
the average farmer could
feed six or eight people.
1107
01:05:41,354 --> 01:05:43,855
Now the average
American farmer
1108
01:05:43,856 --> 01:05:47,025
can feed 126 people, okay?
1109
01:05:47,026 --> 01:05:49,986
These are the most productive
humans that have ever lived.
1110
01:05:51,864 --> 01:05:54,115
The changes down on
the farm have been
1111
01:05:54,116 --> 01:05:56,493
momentous and radical but
invisible to most of us,
1112
01:05:56,494 --> 01:05:58,119
'cause who knows a
farmer anymore?
1113
01:05:59,163 --> 01:06:00,914
But their way of life
1114
01:06:00,915 --> 01:06:03,833
has been revolutionized.
1115
01:06:26,732 --> 01:06:28,566
ROUSH: 10,000 years ago,
1116
01:06:28,567 --> 01:06:30,276
farmers started saving
their best seeds
1117
01:06:30,277 --> 01:06:32,445
and planted again in
the following year.
1118
01:06:32,446 --> 01:06:34,698
That's how seeds
have been developed.
1119
01:06:34,699 --> 01:06:36,324
That's how corn was developed
1120
01:06:36,325 --> 01:06:38,743
from a useless grass
for the most part
1121
01:06:38,744 --> 01:06:41,371
to the extremely productive
plant it is today.
1122
01:06:42,873 --> 01:06:45,333
POLLAN: The idea that any
corporation could own a food crop
1123
01:06:45,334 --> 01:06:48,503
is a very new idea. It
wasn't until the 1980s
1124
01:06:48,504 --> 01:06:51,256
that the Supreme Court said
you could patent life.
1125
01:06:51,257 --> 01:06:52,674
And that opened
the floodgates...
1126
01:06:52,675 --> 01:06:55,427
efforts to patent the most
valuable parts of life,
1127
01:06:55,428 --> 01:06:57,929
which is to say the crops
on which we depend.
1128
01:06:59,098 --> 01:07:01,599
ROUSH: Monsanto is a
chemical company.
1129
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,687
They produced DDT, Agent
Orange in Vietnam,
1130
01:07:05,688 --> 01:07:08,023
and then they developed a
product called "Roundup."
1131
01:07:10,359 --> 01:07:14,195
We started hearing rumblings about
genetically-engineered soybeans
1132
01:07:14,196 --> 01:07:16,948
that could resist the
application of Roundup.
1133
01:07:16,949 --> 01:07:18,992
When the Roundup was
sprayed over top of it,
1134
01:07:18,993 --> 01:07:20,410
it killed every weed out there
1135
01:07:20,411 --> 01:07:22,662
except for this Roundup
Ready soybean.
1136
01:07:39,555 --> 01:07:42,015
ROUSH: I can remember when
the first prohibition
1137
01:07:42,016 --> 01:07:44,225
against seed saving
came into being.
1138
01:07:44,226 --> 01:07:46,436
Most farmers were just
1139
01:07:46,437 --> 01:07:50,065
absolutely disgusted
with the whole concept.
1140
01:07:50,066 --> 01:07:52,400
It's been interesting
over the course
1141
01:07:52,401 --> 01:07:54,903
of 11 years to watch us go
1142
01:07:54,904 --> 01:07:56,905
from utter contempt
for the notion
1143
01:07:56,906 --> 01:07:58,948
that we can't
save our own seed
1144
01:07:58,949 --> 01:08:00,784
to acceptance.
1145
01:08:00,785 --> 01:08:03,161
MAN: What happens if a farmer
1146
01:08:03,162 --> 01:08:05,413
saves the seeds?
1147
01:08:05,414 --> 01:08:08,041
(CHUCKLES)
1148
01:08:08,042 --> 01:08:10,418
Well, you know, really there's
1149
01:08:10,419 --> 01:08:12,420
only one company
involved in this now
1150
01:08:12,421 --> 01:08:14,255
and that's Monsanto.
1151
01:08:17,426 --> 01:08:19,302
Monsanto is...
1152
01:08:26,102 --> 01:08:28,311
They've got a team of
private investigators
1153
01:08:28,312 --> 01:08:30,188
that kind of roam the country
1154
01:08:30,189 --> 01:08:32,273
and they've got a
little 1-800 hotline
1155
01:08:32,274 --> 01:08:35,735
they take calls on.
If they get a call
1156
01:08:35,736 --> 01:08:38,196
and somebody alleges that
somebody saved seed,
1157
01:08:38,197 --> 01:08:41,533
they'll send an investigator
out to look into the matter.
1158
01:08:45,913 --> 01:08:47,914
If you save your own seed,
you're gonna get a call
1159
01:08:47,915 --> 01:08:49,666
from somebody from Monsanto.
1160
01:09:11,522 --> 01:09:13,982
DAVID RUNYON: Two men
drove in my driveway
1161
01:09:13,983 --> 01:09:15,608
at 7:00, 7:30 at night,
1162
01:09:15,609 --> 01:09:17,277
presented a black card to me
1163
01:09:17,278 --> 01:09:20,446
and they never told me that
they were from Monsanto.
1164
01:09:20,447 --> 01:09:23,867
MAN: They said that they had
had a surveillance team,
1165
01:09:23,868 --> 01:09:25,702
caught me cleaning beans.
1166
01:09:27,872 --> 01:09:29,497
MOE PARR: I found it
necessary to get up
1167
01:09:29,498 --> 01:09:31,166
at 3:00 and 4:00
in the morning
1168
01:09:31,167 --> 01:09:35,837
before the investigators are
on the road following me.
1169
01:09:35,838 --> 01:09:37,589
RUNYON: They were...
1170
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:40,550
I'm gonna say maybe
ex-military or ex-police.
1171
01:09:40,551 --> 01:09:43,344
They were large and
they were intimidating.
1172
01:09:43,345 --> 01:09:46,598
MAN: I don't know whether they
had their surveillance team
1173
01:09:46,599 --> 01:09:50,185
or whether it was my neighbor
that turned me in. I don't know.
1174
01:09:50,186 --> 01:09:52,187
Now as I turned to walk in the
house, one of them said...
1175
01:09:52,188 --> 01:09:54,439
I could hear in the back...
"He's guilty."
1176
01:10:23,385 --> 01:10:27,764
RUNYON: It's a real ingenious
device designed back in the 1800s,
1177
01:10:27,765 --> 01:10:31,392
and Monsanto's gonna
close all of them out.
1178
01:10:39,193 --> 01:10:41,027
So how many seed
cleaners are out there
1179
01:10:41,028 --> 01:10:42,487
in the country do you think?
1180
01:10:42,488 --> 01:10:45,198
In the state of Indiana,
there may be six.
1181
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:47,075
Maybe. I'm not aware of...
1182
01:10:47,076 --> 01:10:50,578
- How many there used to be? - Oh
my golly. Every county had three.
1183
01:10:50,579 --> 01:10:52,413
Have they all been
put out of business?
1184
01:10:52,414 --> 01:10:53,915
There's nobody left.
1185
01:11:01,423 --> 01:11:04,926
RUNYON: When Monsanto soybeans
first came on the market,
1186
01:11:04,927 --> 01:11:06,970
I just never really
switched over.
1187
01:11:08,013 --> 01:11:09,806
I was getting
pretty good yield
1188
01:11:09,807 --> 01:11:11,391
with the conventional
soybeans I'd been using,
1189
01:11:11,392 --> 01:11:14,102
so I thought "Well, I'll
just stay where I'm at."
1190
01:11:20,943 --> 01:11:23,903
My neighbors all around
me are all GMOs.
1191
01:11:23,904 --> 01:11:26,864
If the pollen goes in,
if the seed moves in,
1192
01:11:26,865 --> 01:11:29,534
I am still held accountable.
1193
01:11:36,417 --> 01:11:40,086
POLLAN: When you genetically
modify a crop, you own it.
1194
01:11:40,087 --> 01:11:42,630
We've never had this
in agriculture.
1195
01:11:45,134 --> 01:11:48,011
ROUSH: Used to be that your
land-grant universities,
1196
01:11:48,012 --> 01:11:50,471
they developed what was
called public seed.
1197
01:11:50,472 --> 01:11:53,057
The vast majority of
the plant breeding
1198
01:11:53,058 --> 01:11:55,184
was actually done in these
public institutions.
1199
01:11:55,185 --> 01:11:58,104
POLLAN: Monsanto is very
much like Microsoft.
1200
01:11:58,105 --> 01:12:00,773
The same way Microsoft owns
the intellectual property
1201
01:12:00,774 --> 01:12:03,151
behind most computers
in America,
1202
01:12:03,152 --> 01:12:05,695
they set out to own the
intellectual property
1203
01:12:05,696 --> 01:12:08,114
behind most of the
food in America.
1204
01:12:08,115 --> 01:12:11,117
ROUSH: Public plant breeding
is a thing of the past.
1205
01:12:11,118 --> 01:12:14,162
There virtually are no
public seeds anymore.
1206
01:12:17,124 --> 01:12:19,208
RUNYON: There's only like
four or five varieties
1207
01:12:19,209 --> 01:12:20,960
that I can actually plant.
1208
01:12:20,961 --> 01:12:22,795
Now I have some of
the last soybeans
1209
01:12:22,796 --> 01:12:24,672
coming out of the
state of Illinois...
1210
01:12:24,673 --> 01:12:27,675
- That are not GMO. - Public
variety. Public variety.
1211
01:12:27,676 --> 01:12:31,763
When it comes to the point that I
can't buy any more certified seed,
1212
01:12:31,764 --> 01:12:34,557
what do I do? What
are my options?
1213
01:12:38,145 --> 01:12:40,730
I acquired this list
that was mailed to me.
1214
01:12:40,731 --> 01:12:44,984
The black list here is Monsanto's
unauthorized growers list.
1215
01:12:44,985 --> 01:12:46,194
Wow.
1216
01:12:46,195 --> 01:12:48,696
Either farmers that have
judgments against them,
1217
01:12:48,697 --> 01:12:51,074
or businesses, or else it's...
1218
01:12:51,075 --> 01:12:53,785
or it's farmers that have not
submitted their paperwork,
1219
01:12:53,786 --> 01:12:55,745
will not turn over
their records.
1220
01:12:55,746 --> 01:12:57,580
For my case, that's
why I'm on there...
1221
01:12:57,581 --> 01:12:59,999
'cause I would not
turn over my records.
1222
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,835
- Am I on this list?
- Yes, you are.
1223
01:13:02,836 --> 01:13:04,837
Wow.
1224
01:13:04,838 --> 01:13:07,548
I see two of the farmers
that I work for on here.
1225
01:13:07,549 --> 01:13:10,134
This list... now it
comes down to the point
1226
01:13:10,135 --> 01:13:12,845
where I cannot buy
Monsanto products, okay?
1227
01:13:12,846 --> 01:13:14,222
Right.
1228
01:13:14,223 --> 01:13:16,682
So it's coming down to
"What can I plant?"
1229
01:13:19,436 --> 01:13:22,105
PARR: Monsanto is
suing me on the basis
1230
01:13:22,106 --> 01:13:25,483
that I'm encouraging the
farmer to break the patent law
1231
01:13:25,484 --> 01:13:27,652
by cleaning their own seed.
1232
01:13:35,536 --> 01:13:37,703
I haven't been in
a courtroom yet
1233
01:13:37,704 --> 01:13:40,748
and my bill is
already $25,000.
1234
01:13:42,876 --> 01:13:44,794
People that were
friends of mine
1235
01:13:44,795 --> 01:13:47,255
now are reticent to
even talk with me.
1236
01:13:50,759 --> 01:13:53,219
We've been friends
for 50 years,
1237
01:13:53,220 --> 01:13:55,555
and now we can hardly
be seen together.
1238
01:13:55,556 --> 01:13:56,848
Right.
1239
01:14:00,894 --> 01:14:03,354
I don't think I'm
really guilty,
1240
01:14:03,355 --> 01:14:06,232
but it was cheaper
to pay the fine
1241
01:14:06,233 --> 01:14:08,568
than it was to
try to fight it.
1242
01:14:08,569 --> 01:14:10,528
- It gnaws at you...
- Parr: Sure.
1243
01:14:10,529 --> 01:14:13,072
...because if you think
you're right at something,
1244
01:14:13,073 --> 01:14:15,241
but yet you admit
you're wrong.
1245
01:14:22,416 --> 01:14:25,418
ROUSH: Monsanto falsely accused
us of violating their patent
1246
01:14:25,419 --> 01:14:27,462
and breach of contract.
1247
01:14:27,463 --> 01:14:29,589
None of it was true.
1248
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:32,925
You go into a market, you
find a dominant farmer
1249
01:14:32,926 --> 01:14:36,137
and if you can ruin them, you scare the
rest of them to following the line.
1250
01:14:37,598 --> 01:14:39,515
My family spent $400,000
1251
01:14:39,516 --> 01:14:41,893
fighting the battle, pretrial.
1252
01:14:41,894 --> 01:14:43,853
And we were told it would
take another million
1253
01:14:43,854 --> 01:14:45,438
to take the thing to trial.
1254
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:48,941
We settled out of court.
1255
01:14:48,942 --> 01:14:51,611
The way the system appeared
to work to me was.
1256
01:14:51,612 --> 01:14:53,738
Lady Justice had the scales
1257
01:14:53,739 --> 01:14:55,948
and you piled cash
on the scales
1258
01:14:55,949 --> 01:14:58,868
and the one that piled the
most cash on the scales,
1259
01:14:58,869 --> 01:15:01,412
hired the most experts
and was most willing
1260
01:15:01,413 --> 01:15:04,415
to tell the biggest lies,
that was the winner.
1261
01:15:04,416 --> 01:15:07,543
That seems to be how our
justice system functions now.
1262
01:15:07,544 --> 01:15:09,128
It's terrible. It's terrible.
1263
01:15:09,129 --> 01:15:11,130
How can a farmer
defend himself against
1264
01:15:11,131 --> 01:15:13,049
a multinational corporation
like Monsanto?
1265
01:15:14,384 --> 01:15:17,053
I talked to a young man
just three days ago.
1266
01:15:17,054 --> 01:15:19,096
They'd been to his
farm, you know?
1267
01:15:19,097 --> 01:15:22,475
And this poor kid, he's
just starting out.
1268
01:15:22,476 --> 01:15:24,894
His fiancée was there.
I talked to her
1269
01:15:24,895 --> 01:15:26,979
and tried to give them
the best advice I could.
1270
01:15:26,980 --> 01:15:28,898
Unfortunately the best advice
I could give them was.
1271
01:15:28,899 --> 01:15:33,486
"Try to get out of this thing
with your skin intact."
1272
01:15:33,487 --> 01:15:35,863
Don't fight 'em. You've
got to roll over
1273
01:15:35,864 --> 01:15:38,491
"and give them what they want,
'cause you can't defend yourself."
1274
01:15:40,369 --> 01:15:42,662
In the case of Monsanto, their
control is so dominant.
1275
01:15:42,663 --> 01:15:45,998
If you want to be in
production agriculture,
1276
01:15:45,999 --> 01:15:47,959
you're gonna be in
bed with Monsanto.
1277
01:15:49,294 --> 01:15:51,170
They own the soybean.
1278
01:15:51,171 --> 01:15:54,340
They are going to
control that product
1279
01:15:54,341 --> 01:15:56,676
from seed to the supermarket.
1280
01:15:56,677 --> 01:15:58,844
They are, in effect,
gaining control of food.
1281
01:16:15,529 --> 01:16:18,072
POLLAN: There has been
this revolving door
1282
01:16:18,073 --> 01:16:20,783
between Monsanto's
corporate offices
1283
01:16:20,784 --> 01:16:22,785
and the various regulatory
1284
01:16:22,786 --> 01:16:25,204
and judicial bodies that
have made the key decisions.
1285
01:16:25,205 --> 01:16:29,500
ROUSH: Justice Clarence Thomas
was a Monsanto attorney.
1286
01:16:29,501 --> 01:16:32,044
That wouldn't be
such a big deal
1287
01:16:32,045 --> 01:16:33,713
if it weren't for
one court case
1288
01:16:33,714 --> 01:16:36,465
that really decided this
whole seed-saving issue.
1289
01:16:36,466 --> 01:16:39,552
Justice Clarence Thomas
wrote the majority opinion
1290
01:16:39,553 --> 01:16:42,221
in a case that allowed
these companies
1291
01:16:42,222 --> 01:16:45,266
to prevent farmers from
saving their own seed.
1292
01:16:45,267 --> 01:16:48,060
POLLAN: Monsanto had
very close ties
1293
01:16:48,061 --> 01:16:49,854
to the Bush administration...
1294
01:16:52,024 --> 01:16:54,191
and the Clinton administration.
1295
01:16:55,402 --> 01:16:59,071
This goes to why we haven't
had much political debate
1296
01:16:59,072 --> 01:17:01,866
over this radical change
to our food system.
1297
01:17:07,247 --> 01:17:09,707
POLLAN: For the last 25
years, our government
1298
01:17:09,708 --> 01:17:12,585
has been dominated
by the industries
1299
01:17:12,586 --> 01:17:14,712
that it was meant
to be regulating.
1300
01:17:19,676 --> 01:17:21,969
SCHLOSSER: The challenge is
as soon as you have people
1301
01:17:21,970 --> 01:17:24,850
with expertise in industry, they may
turn out to be very good regulators.
1302
01:17:28,769 --> 01:17:31,103
It's really about what interests
they decide to represent.
1303
01:17:38,445 --> 01:17:40,738
You're talking about power...
1304
01:17:40,739 --> 01:17:43,115
centralized power
1305
01:17:43,116 --> 01:17:44,825
and that power is being used
1306
01:17:44,826 --> 01:17:47,662
against the people who are
really producing the food
1307
01:17:47,663 --> 01:17:48,954
like the farmers.
1308
01:17:48,955 --> 01:17:50,873
It's being used
against the workers
1309
01:17:50,874 --> 01:17:52,458
who work for these companies
1310
01:17:52,459 --> 01:17:55,044
and it's being used
against consumers
1311
01:17:55,045 --> 01:17:57,713
who are deliberately
being kept in the dark
1312
01:17:57,714 --> 01:18:00,633
about what they're eating,
where it comes from
1313
01:18:00,634 --> 01:18:02,301
and what it's doing
to their bodies.
1314
01:18:02,302 --> 01:18:04,720
(KIDS LAUGHING)
1315
01:18:04,721 --> 01:18:08,891
WOMAN: Good afternoon,
Madame Chair and members.
1316
01:18:08,892 --> 01:18:12,978
SB-63 is a consumer
right-to-know measure.
1317
01:18:12,979 --> 01:18:16,482
It simply requires that
all foods that are cloned
1318
01:18:16,483 --> 01:18:18,776
must be labeled
as cloned foods.
1319
01:18:18,777 --> 01:18:21,070
These cloned animals are
1320
01:18:21,071 --> 01:18:23,864
a fundamentally new thing.
1321
01:18:23,865 --> 01:18:26,492
But I find it
incredible that the FDA
1322
01:18:26,493 --> 01:18:30,371
not only wants to allow the sale
of meat from cloned animals
1323
01:18:30,372 --> 01:18:32,164
without further research,
1324
01:18:32,165 --> 01:18:34,959
but also wants to allow
the sale of this meat
1325
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:36,877
without any labeling.
1326
01:18:36,878 --> 01:18:39,046
How many witnesses in
opposition, please?
1327
01:18:39,047 --> 01:18:41,590
Noelle Cremers with
California Farm Bureau.
1328
01:18:41,591 --> 01:18:43,050
And if I can point out...
1329
01:18:43,051 --> 01:18:45,803
the reason that we are
concerned with labeling
1330
01:18:45,804 --> 01:18:49,140
is it creates unnecessary
fear in a consumer's mind.
1331
01:18:49,141 --> 01:18:50,850
Until the industry
has an opportunity
1332
01:18:50,851 --> 01:18:52,852
to educate why we want
to use this technology
1333
01:18:52,853 --> 01:18:54,395
and the value of
the technology,
1334
01:18:54,396 --> 01:18:56,772
we don't feel that
consumers just having
1335
01:18:56,773 --> 01:18:58,733
a warning label
will help them.
1336
01:18:58,734 --> 01:19:01,360
(CHATTING)
1337
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,825
POLLAN: These companies
fight tooth and nail
1338
01:19:07,826 --> 01:19:09,577
against labeling.
1339
01:19:10,662 --> 01:19:12,663
The fast food industry
fought against
1340
01:19:12,664 --> 01:19:14,540
giving you the
calorie information.
1341
01:19:14,541 --> 01:19:16,542
They fought against
telling you
1342
01:19:16,543 --> 01:19:18,210
if there's trans
fat in their food.
1343
01:19:18,211 --> 01:19:20,963
The meat packing industry
for years prevented
1344
01:19:20,964 --> 01:19:23,299
country-of-origin labeling.
1345
01:19:23,300 --> 01:19:27,386
They fought not to label
genetically modified foods,
1346
01:19:27,387 --> 01:19:30,890
and now 78% of the processed
food in the supermarket
1347
01:19:30,891 --> 01:19:34,602
has some genetically-
modified ingredient.
1348
01:19:34,603 --> 01:19:37,229
I think it's one of the
most important battles
1349
01:19:37,230 --> 01:19:39,273
for consumers to fight...
1350
01:19:39,274 --> 01:19:41,942
is the right to know what's in
their food and how it was grown.
1351
01:19:43,069 --> 01:19:45,112
Not only do they not want
1352
01:19:45,113 --> 01:19:47,531
you to know what's in it,
1353
01:19:47,532 --> 01:19:49,950
they have managed to
make it against the law
1354
01:19:49,951 --> 01:19:52,661
to criticize their products.
1355
01:19:54,206 --> 01:19:57,291
MAN: Can you tell me how
you've changed how you eat?
1356
01:19:57,292 --> 01:19:59,293
Yeah, we...
1357
01:19:59,294 --> 01:20:02,046
you'll probably have
to talk to an attorney
1358
01:20:02,047 --> 01:20:03,464
before you would
put this in there.
1359
01:20:03,465 --> 01:20:05,341
What? You can say this is...
we've stopped...
1360
01:20:05,342 --> 01:20:07,051
I know, but...
1361
01:20:07,052 --> 01:20:09,011
I could have the meat
and poultry industry
1362
01:20:09,012 --> 01:20:10,721
coming after me
and I really...
1363
01:20:10,722 --> 01:20:13,557
Seriously? For saying...
that it's so...
1364
01:20:13,558 --> 01:20:15,601
It depends on the context.
1365
01:20:15,602 --> 01:20:17,478
You're not saying "Someone
else don't eat it."
1366
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:18,979
Yeah, I'm sorry, Robbie,
1367
01:20:18,980 --> 01:20:21,273
but I get asked
this all the time.
1368
01:20:21,274 --> 01:20:24,360
Initially, my reaction was.
1369
01:20:24,361 --> 01:20:26,654
"I don't care. Let
them Sue me."
1370
01:20:26,655 --> 01:20:28,823
Let them try and
Sue the mother
1371
01:20:28,824 --> 01:20:31,408
"of a dead child and see."
1372
01:20:31,409 --> 01:20:34,411
It's pretty amazing
that you can't say
1373
01:20:34,412 --> 01:20:37,331
- how you and your family have
changed... - The veggie libel laws...
1374
01:20:37,332 --> 01:20:39,333
(STAMMERS)
1375
01:20:40,836 --> 01:20:42,336
are different.
1376
01:20:43,839 --> 01:20:47,424
The food industry has
different protections
1377
01:20:47,425 --> 01:20:49,844
than other industries do.
1378
01:20:49,845 --> 01:20:53,347
We have a lot of questions
about this mad cow disease.
1379
01:20:53,348 --> 01:20:56,433
KOWALCYK: If you recall the
case where Oprah was sued
1380
01:20:56,434 --> 01:20:58,602
by the meat industry
1381
01:20:58,603 --> 01:21:01,272
for something she
said on her show.
1382
01:21:01,273 --> 01:21:03,482
It has just stopped me cold
1383
01:21:03,483 --> 01:21:05,359
from eating another burger.
1384
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,418
- Man: Good morning, Oprah.
- Good morning, y'all.
1385
01:21:22,419 --> 01:21:24,670
MAN #2: Are you glad to see
it's finally winding down?
1386
01:21:24,671 --> 01:21:28,173
Well, I think I can
say that, right?
1387
01:21:28,174 --> 01:21:31,844
I can say that, yeah. I
can see the end in sight.
1388
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:35,347
SCHLOSSER: In Colorado
it's a felony
1389
01:21:35,348 --> 01:21:37,850
if you're convicted under
a veggie libel law.
1390
01:21:37,851 --> 01:21:39,351
So you could go to prison
1391
01:21:39,352 --> 01:21:41,228
for criticizing
the ground beef
1392
01:21:41,229 --> 01:21:43,522
that's being produced in
the state of Colorado.
1393
01:21:43,523 --> 01:21:46,817
There is an effort in
several farm states
1394
01:21:46,818 --> 01:21:48,819
to make it illegal to publish
1395
01:21:48,820 --> 01:21:52,489
a photo of any industrial
food operation,
1396
01:21:52,490 --> 01:21:55,367
any feedlot operation.
1397
01:21:55,368 --> 01:21:57,369
SCHLOSSER: At the same
time, they've also gotten
1398
01:21:57,370 --> 01:22:01,749
bills passed that are
called cheeseburger bills
1399
01:22:01,750 --> 01:22:03,667
that make it very
very difficult
1400
01:22:03,668 --> 01:22:05,628
for you to Sue them.
1401
01:22:05,629 --> 01:22:08,422
These companies have
legions of attorneys
1402
01:22:08,423 --> 01:22:11,926
and they may Sue even though
they know they can't win
1403
01:22:11,927 --> 01:22:14,261
just to send a message.
1404
01:22:26,441 --> 01:22:29,234
MAN: We are on record for the
deposition of Maurice Parr
1405
01:22:29,235 --> 01:22:31,070
in the matter of
Monsanto Company
1406
01:22:31,071 --> 01:22:32,947
and Monsanto Technology
versus Maurice Parr.
1407
01:22:32,948 --> 01:22:37,326
MAN #2: Mr. Parr, we
subpoenaed your bank records
1408
01:22:37,327 --> 01:22:38,953
in this case. Do
you know that?
1409
01:22:44,376 --> 01:22:46,627
PARR: I'll tell you, what
really scared me the most today
1410
01:22:46,628 --> 01:22:51,298
was the fact that they have
every check that I have written
1411
01:22:51,299 --> 01:22:54,134
from every bank account
that I've used
1412
01:22:54,135 --> 01:22:56,637
in the last 10 years.
1413
01:22:56,638 --> 01:22:58,681
MAN #2: Do you own
any land, Mr. Parr?
1414
01:22:58,682 --> 01:23:00,849
- Yes. - Man #2: How
many acres do you own?
1415
01:23:00,850 --> 01:23:01,934
Three.
1416
01:23:01,935 --> 01:23:04,144
MAN #2: How long have you
had this Dell computer?
1417
01:23:04,145 --> 01:23:07,856
Which ones are soybean
seed cleaning customers?
1418
01:23:07,857 --> 01:23:09,858
- Mr. Kaufman?
- Beans only.
1419
01:23:09,859 --> 01:23:12,403
PARR: These people are
not just customers,
1420
01:23:12,404 --> 01:23:14,488
they're personal friends.
1421
01:23:14,489 --> 01:23:18,117
It's extremely
heart-wrenching for me
1422
01:23:18,118 --> 01:23:21,662
to know that this list is in
the possession of Monsanto.
1423
01:23:21,663 --> 01:23:23,497
Harold Sinn?
1424
01:23:24,541 --> 01:23:26,583
Beans only.
1425
01:23:26,584 --> 01:23:28,585
STEPHEN PENNELL: This
is the first case
1426
01:23:28,586 --> 01:23:31,547
in which a seed
company is suing
1427
01:23:31,548 --> 01:23:33,549
the person who does the
cleaning of the seed.
1428
01:23:33,550 --> 01:23:36,719
So if Monsanto's claims
are upheld in this case,
1429
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:38,429
that would not only put
Moe out of business,
1430
01:23:38,430 --> 01:23:41,640
but it would prohibit every
grower in the country
1431
01:23:41,641 --> 01:23:45,019
from doing what Moe does as a
precedent in future cases.
1432
01:23:45,020 --> 01:23:47,938
MAN #2: Have any of these
customers specifically
1433
01:23:47,939 --> 01:23:49,940
told you that they
are not going to use
1434
01:23:49,941 --> 01:23:52,985
- your seed-cleaning services
anymore? - Ron Merrill.
1435
01:23:52,986 --> 01:23:55,946
PARR'S VOICE: This essentially
puts me out of business.
1436
01:23:55,947 --> 01:23:58,699
- Max Lowe.
- Parr's voice: I'm finished.
1437
01:23:58,700 --> 01:24:01,785
Jerry Kaufman. Bill Zeering.
1438
01:24:01,786 --> 01:24:04,246
Robert Duvall.
1439
01:24:21,556 --> 01:24:24,183
POLLAN: We've had a food
system that's been dedicated
1440
01:24:24,184 --> 01:24:26,310
to the single virtue
of efficiency,
1441
01:24:26,311 --> 01:24:29,855
so we grow a very small
number of crops,
1442
01:24:29,856 --> 01:24:31,815
a very small number
of varieties,
1443
01:24:31,816 --> 01:24:33,901
a very small number
of companies.
1444
01:24:33,902 --> 01:24:36,361
And even though you
achieve efficiencies,
1445
01:24:36,362 --> 01:24:38,864
the system gets more
and more precarious.
1446
01:24:38,865 --> 01:24:41,075
You will have a
breakdown eventually.
1447
01:24:41,076 --> 01:24:43,077
And where the breakdown
comes in the system
1448
01:24:43,078 --> 01:24:44,787
we don't always know.
1449
01:24:46,706 --> 01:24:49,625
ROUSH: Modern production
agriculture is highly dependent
1450
01:24:49,626 --> 01:24:52,628
on large amounts of petroleum.
1451
01:24:53,755 --> 01:24:55,547
Our farm, we're going to use
1452
01:24:55,548 --> 01:24:58,592
about 40,000 gallons
of diesel fuel a year.
1453
01:24:58,593 --> 01:25:01,178
POLLAN: We eat a lot of
oil without knowing it.
1454
01:25:01,179 --> 01:25:03,680
To bring a steer to slaughter,
1455
01:25:03,681 --> 01:25:06,016
it's 75 gallons of oil.
1456
01:25:06,017 --> 01:25:08,602
So what we're seeing is
1457
01:25:08,603 --> 01:25:11,188
that this
highly-efficient machine
1458
01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:15,442
does not have the resilience
to deal with shocks
1459
01:25:15,443 --> 01:25:18,278
such as the Spike
in oil prices.
1460
01:25:18,279 --> 01:25:21,824
Food prices last month
were 3.9% higher
1461
01:25:21,825 --> 01:25:23,742
than they were a year ago.
1462
01:25:23,743 --> 01:25:25,744
Take corn, another
basic source of food,
1463
01:25:25,745 --> 01:25:27,454
up to a 12-year high.
1464
01:25:27,455 --> 01:25:30,124
POLLAN: For a while,
we could sell grains
1465
01:25:30,125 --> 01:25:31,750
so cheaply anywhere
in the world,
1466
01:25:31,751 --> 01:25:34,878
farmers in other countries
who aren't being subsidized
1467
01:25:34,879 --> 01:25:36,922
could not compete with us.
1468
01:25:36,923 --> 01:25:39,466
So their capacity to grow food
1469
01:25:39,467 --> 01:25:41,468
for themselves
was compromised.
1470
01:25:41,469 --> 01:25:43,595
ROUSH: The world's
running out of food
1471
01:25:43,596 --> 01:25:46,348
and nobody's talking about it.
We have no reserves.
1472
01:25:46,349 --> 01:25:48,559
MAN: There have been
protests around the world.
1473
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:52,104
The food crisis has already
brought down one government.
1474
01:25:52,105 --> 01:25:54,648
POLLAN: A month doesn't go by
1475
01:25:54,649 --> 01:25:56,817
where there isn't a
story in the news
1476
01:25:56,818 --> 01:25:59,153
that peels back the curtain
1477
01:25:59,154 --> 01:26:00,821
on how that industrial
food is made.
1478
01:26:00,822 --> 01:26:02,489
(MOOING PITIFULLY)
1479
01:26:02,490 --> 01:26:05,450
MAN: Downer cows... too
ill or lame to walk...
1480
01:26:05,451 --> 01:26:08,412
being brutalized to get them
to their feet for slaughter.
1481
01:26:08,413 --> 01:26:11,373
WOMAN: Millions of gallons
of concentrated hog manure
1482
01:26:11,374 --> 01:26:14,001
flushing their
contents downriver.
1483
01:26:14,002 --> 01:26:15,836
WOMAN #2: Government's
food Czar reported
1484
01:26:15,837 --> 01:26:18,088
that there are no tools
in place to track
1485
01:26:18,089 --> 01:26:21,300
the origin of the latest
salmonella outbreak.
1486
01:26:21,301 --> 01:26:24,803
POLLAN: Every time one of
these stories comes out,
1487
01:26:24,804 --> 01:26:26,930
America learns a
little bit more...
1488
01:26:26,931 --> 01:26:29,933
what's going on in the kitchen where
their food is being prepared.
1489
01:26:29,934 --> 01:26:34,354
And every time they
turn away in revulsion
1490
01:26:34,355 --> 01:26:36,523
and start looking
for alternatives.
1491
01:26:44,282 --> 01:26:46,366
HIRSHBERG: The irony is
that the average consumer
1492
01:26:46,367 --> 01:26:48,410
does not feel very powerful.
1493
01:26:48,411 --> 01:26:50,829
They think they are
the recipients
1494
01:26:50,830 --> 01:26:53,123
of whatever industry
has put out there
1495
01:26:53,124 --> 01:26:54,708
for them to consume.
1496
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:56,543
Trust me, it's the
exact opposite.
1497
01:26:57,712 --> 01:27:00,255
When we run an item past
the supermarket scanner,
1498
01:27:00,256 --> 01:27:03,717
we're voting for local
or not, organic or not.
1499
01:27:03,718 --> 01:27:07,179
At Wal-Mart, we made a
decision about a year ago
1500
01:27:07,180 --> 01:27:10,515
to go through a process of becoming
rBST-free in our milk supply.
1501
01:27:10,516 --> 01:27:13,018
We made that decision based
on customer preference.
1502
01:27:13,019 --> 01:27:15,354
HIRSHBERG:
Individual consumers
1503
01:27:15,355 --> 01:27:17,481
changed the biggest
company on Earth
1504
01:27:17,482 --> 01:27:19,274
and in so doing,
1505
01:27:19,275 --> 01:27:21,902
probably put the last
nail in the coffin
1506
01:27:21,903 --> 01:27:23,487
for synthetic growth hormone.
1507
01:27:25,114 --> 01:27:27,324
POLLAN: To eat well in
this country costs more
1508
01:27:27,325 --> 01:27:30,619
than to eat badly. It
will take more money
1509
01:27:30,620 --> 01:27:32,329
and some people
simply don't have it.
1510
01:27:32,330 --> 01:27:33,956
And that's one of the reasons
1511
01:27:33,957 --> 01:27:35,916
that we need changes
at the policy level,
1512
01:27:35,917 --> 01:27:38,877
so that the carrots are a
better deal than the chips.
1513
01:27:41,005 --> 01:27:43,131
SCHLOSSER: People think
"These companies are so big
1514
01:27:43,132 --> 01:27:45,926
and so powerful, how are we
ever going to change things?"
1515
01:27:45,927 --> 01:27:47,803
But look at the
tobacco industry.
1516
01:27:47,804 --> 01:27:51,056
It had huge control
over public policy
1517
01:27:51,057 --> 01:27:53,350
and that control was broken.
1518
01:27:53,351 --> 01:27:56,812
The battle against tobacco
is a perfect model
1519
01:27:56,813 --> 01:28:00,357
of how an industry's
irresponsible behavior
1520
01:28:00,358 --> 01:28:02,317
can be changed.
1521
01:28:02,318 --> 01:28:04,653
(PEOPLE TALKING)
1522
01:28:04,654 --> 01:28:08,282
SALATIN: Imagine what it would
be if, as a national policy,
1523
01:28:08,283 --> 01:28:11,451
we said we would
be only successful
1524
01:28:11,452 --> 01:28:14,579
if we had fewer people going
1525
01:28:14,580 --> 01:28:17,499
to the hospital next
year than last year.
1526
01:28:17,500 --> 01:28:20,502
How about that for success?
1527
01:28:20,503 --> 01:28:22,546
The idea then would be to have
1528
01:28:22,547 --> 01:28:24,172
such nutritionally dense
1529
01:28:24,173 --> 01:28:25,674
unadulterated food
1530
01:28:25,675 --> 01:28:29,261
that people who ate it
actually felt better,
1531
01:28:29,262 --> 01:28:31,179
had more energy,
1532
01:28:31,180 --> 01:28:33,890
and weren't sick as much.
1533
01:28:33,891 --> 01:28:36,184
Now see, that's a noble goal.
1534
01:28:37,353 --> 01:28:39,604
KOWALCYK: I can't change the
fact that Kevin's dead.
1535
01:28:41,441 --> 01:28:43,859
When you tell somebody
you've lost a child,
1536
01:28:43,860 --> 01:28:46,278
I really don't like
that look of pity
1537
01:28:46,279 --> 01:28:48,155
that comes into their eyes,
1538
01:28:48,156 --> 01:28:50,949
that they feel sorry for me.
1539
01:28:50,950 --> 01:28:53,410
I can have a pity party
all by myself very well,
1540
01:28:53,411 --> 01:28:56,663
thank you. I don't need
it from other people.
1541
01:28:56,664 --> 01:28:58,623
What I need them
to do is listen
1542
01:28:58,624 --> 01:29:00,542
and help me effect a change.
1543
01:29:02,670 --> 01:29:04,796
ROUSH: You have to
understand that we farmers,
1544
01:29:04,797 --> 01:29:08,842
we're gonna deliver to the marketplace
what the marketplace demands.
1545
01:29:08,843 --> 01:29:11,136
If you want to buy $2 milk,
1546
01:29:11,137 --> 01:29:15,140
you're gonna get a feedlot in
the backyard. It's that simple.
1547
01:29:15,141 --> 01:29:17,559
People have got to
start demanding
1548
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:19,978
good, wholesome food of us.
1549
01:29:19,979 --> 01:29:21,646
And we'll deliver.
I promise you.
1550
01:29:21,647 --> 01:29:24,566
We're very ingenious people.
We'll deliver.
1551
01:29:24,567 --> 01:29:27,069
That's all I had to say.
1552
01:29:27,070 --> 01:29:29,071
("THIS LAND IS YOUR
LAND" PLAYING)
1553
01:29:32,241 --> 01:29:34,743
(AUDIENCE CHEERING)
1554
01:29:36,996 --> 01:29:42,709
♪ When I rode that
ribbon highway ♪
1555
01:29:42,710 --> 01:29:46,588
♪ I saw above me ♪
1556
01:29:46,589 --> 01:29:49,883
♪ The endless skyway ♪
1557
01:29:49,884 --> 01:29:52,761
♪ I saw below me ♪
1558
01:29:52,762 --> 01:29:57,015
♪ The Golden valley ♪
1559
01:29:57,016 --> 01:30:01,812
♪ Well, this land was
made for you and me ♪
1560
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:06,108
♪ I roamed and rambled ♪
1561
01:30:06,109 --> 01:30:09,403
♪ I followed my footsteps ♪
1562
01:30:09,404 --> 01:30:12,906
♪ Through the
sparkling sands of ♪
1563
01:30:12,907 --> 01:30:16,159
♪ Her Diamond deserts ♪
1564
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:19,287
♪ And all around me ♪
1565
01:30:19,288 --> 01:30:22,833
♪ A voice was calling ♪
1566
01:30:23,918 --> 01:30:28,964
♪ It said "This land was
made for you and me" ♪
1567
01:30:28,965 --> 01:30:32,801
♪ This land is your land ♪
1568
01:30:32,802 --> 01:30:36,263
♪ This land is my land ♪
1569
01:30:36,264 --> 01:30:39,391
♪ From California ♪
1570
01:30:39,392 --> 01:30:42,644
♪ To the New York island ♪
1571
01:30:42,645 --> 01:30:45,814
♪ From the redwood forests ♪
1572
01:30:45,815 --> 01:30:49,317
♪ To the Gulf Stream waters ♪
1573
01:30:49,318 --> 01:30:54,573
♪ Well, this land was
made for you and me ♪
1574
01:30:55,950 --> 01:30:58,660
♪ Now the sun came shining ♪
1575
01:30:58,661 --> 01:31:02,122
♪ And I was strolling ♪
1576
01:31:02,123 --> 01:31:05,333
♪ Through wheat fields waving ♪
1577
01:31:05,334 --> 01:31:08,712
♪ And dust clouds rolling ♪
1578
01:31:08,713 --> 01:31:11,840
♪ And a voice was sounding ♪
1579
01:31:11,841 --> 01:31:15,260
♪ As the fog was lifting ♪
1580
01:31:15,261 --> 01:31:21,099
♪ It said "This land was
made for you and me" ♪
1581
01:31:21,100 --> 01:31:24,853
♪ This land is your land ♪
1582
01:31:24,854 --> 01:31:28,106
♪ This land is my land ♪
1583
01:31:28,107 --> 01:31:31,401
♪ From California ♪
1584
01:31:31,402 --> 01:31:34,696
♪ To the New York islands ♪
1585
01:31:34,697 --> 01:31:37,824
♪ From the redwood Forest ♪
1586
01:31:37,825 --> 01:31:41,578
♪ To the Gulf Stream waters ♪
1587
01:31:41,579 --> 01:31:47,584
♪ Oh, this land was
made for you and me. ♪
1588
01:31:47,585 --> 01:31:49,586
(HARMONICA PLAYING)
1589
01:32:05,436 --> 01:32:07,437
(CLASSICAL SCORE PLAYING)
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