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This is a moment that
requires people to stay at home
in the state of California.
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Today, I'm issuing
a stay-home, stay-safe order
for all Michiganders.
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- For all Ohioans.
- Across Maryland.
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- All Delawareans.
- The entire state
of Louisiana.
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For the state
of Illinois.
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These can be
very tough days.
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All of us are safer at home.
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Hi, Alice.
How are you?
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Oh, Ruth.
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I mean, I keep thinking,
it can't get any harder,
and then it does.
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I know, I know.
It's such a frightening time.
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It is, it's horrible.
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So, Alice, I am working
on this documentary
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about the pandemic
and what it's going to do
to the food system.
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I really can't send cameras
to anyone or, you know...
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- That's right.
- This is what we're stuck with.
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Yeah.
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Um, I think that...
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this is a disaster moment
for the food system.
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I would be surprised if more
than half of the restaurants
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were able to reopen
at the end of this.
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And, you know, I think
the farmers are just planting
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as if someday
we're going back to normal.
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And it's not going to be
the same.
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No, it's not.
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The farmers may not sell
all the food that they have.
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And they may or may not find
somebody else to take it.
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I mean, we really need
to rethink everything now,
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I think, from the ground up.
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COVID was the wake-up call.
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The moment we couldn't ignore.
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Our broken food system
was exposed.
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The abundance that we
as Americans are used to
could just go away.
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It could all end.
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I've been writing about food
for 50 years,
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trying to get Americans
to care more about it.
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Ruth Reichl, the revered
restaurant critic
for the New York Times...
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Ruth Reichl,
Gourmet magazine editor...
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How we eat as a nation
is important.
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I mean, I think it's important
to our children, I think
it's important to the future.
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And I think food
is not just something you eat,
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it's political and social...
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Food is elemental
to our survival,
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but we take food
and the people behind it
completely for granted.
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First I started talking
to the independent
restaurateurs I knew,
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and then I reached out
to independent farmers
and ranchers.
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Welcome to Bluffton.
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Welcome to Spencertown.
Can you hear me?
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- Yeah.
- Oh, good, hi.
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- Hi.
- Good morning, ma'am,
how are you?
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Can you take me through
this whole pandemic process?
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I was running numbers,
and I'm like, I have
to do something different.
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My workers demanded answers
that I didn't have.
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The CEO of Tyson said
the American food system
Is breaking.
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Yeah... he's right.
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A lot of people
are on the ropes, and things
haven't been good anyway.
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These folks
are part of our family,
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and we're going to put them
on the unemployment line.
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The chance of us
as farmers surviving just,
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you know, goes down every day.
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Inexpensive food,
at some point of the food chain,
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someone is getting abused.
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There's only one way
out of that.
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It's changing the systems
that caused us to be
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so lacking in resiliency
when the pandemic struck.
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They're all struggling,
experimenting, doing
whatever it took to survive.
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Not that a paycheck
is everything, but it's like,
you know, what is your worth?
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What's your value?
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With so many of them
in crisis,
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I wanted to connect
with those people directly.
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- Hey.
- Hi, Ruth.
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How are you?
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So, what's it like
in Chinatown?
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I mean, are you surrounded
by restaurants that are closing?
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Yeah, that's the saddest part
about this neighborhood,
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is, there's an eerie quietness
in this neighborhood.
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A lot of empty store fronts,
a lot of closed restaurants.
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Chinatown was the first
to be affected.
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People are scared
to come to Chinatown.
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Whether that's, you know,
stereotypes or prejudices.
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Just making fun of the virus
in Chinese names
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is depleting the stature of what
this neighborhood had built.
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But the hardest thing
about this pandemic
is that each business
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has been having to handle
this puzzle on their own.
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I mean, it was
particularly bad timing for you,
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because you were
just opening a restaurant.
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Yeah.
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I was already in survival mode,
but that week leading up
to the pandemic,
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I was going from one
to two locations, and I was
really stretched thin.
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Obviously, I'm not
paying rent.
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Hopefully my landlords
won't kick me out.
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But I'm the primary
breadwinner of my family.
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All of a sudden, I'm like,
how do I take care of
my own family
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and then take care
of all of these people?
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And I just felt like
I had failed everybody.
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You can ask me questions
while I do my hair.
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Okay. So you just talked
about the restaurant,
how you pivoted.
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I hate the word "pivot"!
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I called my landlord
and I said,
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"Hey, I just want you to know
that maybe we can't pay
our rent next month."
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"Can you please make sure
everything's okay?"
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And he's like, "It's not."
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"My 80-year-old parents
rely on this income."
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- Yeah.
- What the heck
do you do?
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And I'm like,
there's no way I'm going to do
what everyone's doing
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and not pay
their rent, if I can.
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And, because he's an immigrant.
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It's not them versus us.
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It's not the-- maybe
the banks a little bit, but...
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Maybe the banks
a little bit, yeah.
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You know, if this is
the foreseeable future,
will you be okay?
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Uh...
I don't think Porridge & Puffs
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is going to look like what it
was, and I don't expect it to.
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This is day one, minute one,
brand-new business.
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- Take care, enjoy cooking.
- Thank you.
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I don't think
you sent me a Venmo.
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No, I did, you must've
been on, I just sent it.
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Oh, okay.
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When I was growing up,
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most people just didn't pay
much attention to food.
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Today, food is as important
as art and books
and movies and music.
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It is a huge part
of popular culture.
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People often ask me today
if I think there's too much
emphasis on food.
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And you know what?
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My answer is no.
There was too little.
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You've heard
of the art of cooking.
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Well,
here's an artist at work.
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When I was growing up,
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it was probably the only time
in human history
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where people willfully chose
not to pay attention
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to where their food came from,
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how they were eating,
what it meant to their bodies.
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The consequences
have been horrendous.
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I didn't mean to be unkind
to mother,
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but she did spend an awful lot
of time in that kitchen.
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Frankly, I had better things
to do with my time.
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Back in the '50s,
advertising began
to sell us the idea
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that cooking should be quick
and convenient.
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Just reach
for a can, 3 minutes to heat,
and it's ready to eat.
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You'll be dancing with joy
when you serve
Brown Beauty Spanish Rice.
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If there were health
consequences, nobody was
thinking about it.
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Efficiency was everything.
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But in the 1960s
on public television,
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Julia Child came along
and began teaching
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a fairly small,
rebellious audience
how to cook like the French.
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Cutting down this way
and cutting across,
do practice this method.
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It does take a little practice,
takes you about
a week or so to learn.
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It was a direct response
to the idea that American food
was terrible.
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I mean, everybody talked
about, "Oh, America,
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the land
of hamburgers and hot dogs,
the land of fast food."
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And Julia Child
comes along and says, "No,
Americans can cook great food."
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"They just have to learn
the technique."
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And then you have
Alice Waters come along,
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and there's a revolution
against that revolution,
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which is, you cannot make
great food if you don't
have great ingredients.
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I mean, Alice says,
"Garbage in, garbage out."
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You want great food in America,
it's not about technique, it's
about the quality of the food.
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Just a second,
I'm going to move over here
so I can lean back on the couch.
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I'm going to make you jealous.
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Oh, oh, my God.
You-- I am very jealous.
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There is not a--
The best I can do is rhubarb.
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Are you thinking of reopening
at some point?
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Well, the restaurant's
just not big enough.
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God, it makes me so sad.
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- I mean, we have bathrooms
that are big as the closet.
- That's true.
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I mean, the tables
are very close together.
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We've been making farm boxes,
because, for me,
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the big, big issue
is keeping all
of our purveyors alive.
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When all of these
restaurants start to close,
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it will close other parts of
other industries, as well.
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Our order this week for produce
was the smallest it's ever been.
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Those are relationships
that I have with farms
that are over ten years,
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and it sucks to not be
able to support them.
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It's so bleak.
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You don't walk away
from a farm.
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You can't put farms on furlough.
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It's kind of like
a relationship.
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You can't just ignore them
for two months or three months
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and then walk back in and expect
to be greeted fondly.
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The very first farmers
I called were Lee and Bob Jones
at Chef's Garden,
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because I know that
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almost their entire business
is selling to restaurants,
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so this
had to be brutal for them.
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So, what have the last few weeks
been like for you?
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You know, we're underwater.
We lost a lot of money in March.
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Home delivery, I think,
is a good move, but we're
starting from zero.
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How are we going
to handle this?
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What decisions
are we going to make
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to protect our team physically,
emotionally, financially...
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You haven't had to throw
anything out, have you?
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We're planting literally
every day,
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and so those products,
right after the restaurants
closed down,
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that product just kept coming
and coming and coming.
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You know, there was definitely
a period there where there was
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a lot of dumping.
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But if we're going down, we're
going to go down fighting.
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I began thinking
about what might be
happening out there
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to the small,
independent ranchers,
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the ones who supply meat
to our restaurants
and supermarkets.
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And then I came across
a rancher from Kansas.
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He was all over social media,
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talking about the challenges
that were facing his community.
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You know, the state
of the cattle business
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has turned into more than just
a cattle business problem.
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It's turned into a United States
economics problem.
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Good morning, ma'am,
how are you?
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I'm very well, thank you.
If you could tell me the story
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of COVID for you,
it would be great.
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Okay. Uh...
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We're starting to back
the cattle up.
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You've seen on TV, I'm sure,
and everywhere,
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of disposing of milk and hogs.
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And we're probably not far
from that in the cattle part.
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You have this huge
discrepancy now.
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You've got record beef prices.
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So the consumer's paying twice
what they were 60 days ago,
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and you have a packer that's
making a billion dollars a week
processing cattle,
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while all
the producers are going broke.
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It sounds like
the Big Four packers,
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the meat processors,
have too much control?
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Exactly.
The packers got so big,
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and the monopolization
of processing plants so common,
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that if you
take two of them offline,
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all of a sudden we have
a meat shortage,
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when there's
no shortage of food here.
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We could feed
a small country right now
with what we're wasting.
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- Absolutely.
- But our system
is so specialized
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that any kink
and we're in trouble.
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I think that will
eventually bite us.
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The majority of mass agriculture
in the United States
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is all about how cheaply
can you produce it.
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And that's what's gotten us
to where we are.
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Other countries can't spend
per capita what we do
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on entertainment and vehicles
and housing,
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because they're
spending it on food.
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- Right.
- You know.
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For the last 50 years we've
thrown agriculture under the bus
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as the bargaining tool
for everything America thought
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the other countries
ought to be doing.
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Coming out
of World War II,
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there was a very
conscious decision on the part
of the American government
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to make food political.
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They had a huge stockpile
of ammunition left over
from World War II.
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They decide to convert it
into fertilizer.
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There is a deep encouragement
to replace the animals
on the farm with machines.
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There's privileging
of efficiency,
the factory model,
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and there is a whole notion
that one way we can
fight communism
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is by having the cheapest
and most abundant food on
earth.
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We had an arms race
and a farms race.
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You plan to outstrip us,
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particularly in the production
of consumer goods?
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Nixon actually had what
were called
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the "kitchen cabinet
conversations" with Khrushchev.
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He took him through
supermarkets,
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and this notion is,
"Look at what we have
in this country."
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Nixon's secretary
of agriculture, Earl Butz,
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actually said to the farmers,
"Get big or get out."
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We're going to make this
industry pay.
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P-R-O-F-I-T.
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He encouraged them
to take out huge loans
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to buy combines
and expensive equipment.
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And they did.
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Then, in the early '80s,
the overproduction of food,
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combined with enormous farm
debt and high interest rates,
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caused farmer after farmer
across the middle of America
to go bankrupt.
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Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
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Bless us, O Lord,
and these our gifts,
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which we are about to receive
from thy bounty,
through Christ our Lord. Amen.
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Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
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Oh, there you are.
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Oh. Hi! Hi!
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I don't do much
video conferencing,
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and I usually choose not to do
the video, because I'm just kind
of shy, I guess, I don't know.
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No, I totally get that.
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So, tell me what COVID
has been like for you.
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The markets took a hit,
but they're crappy anyway.
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So, you know,
it's just one more thing.
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So, what do you grow?
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Well,
we grow corn and beans.
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And, in 2013,
we put wheat into our rotation.
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And we've done Sudan
for forage for cattle,
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because we just know
we have to get an income source
other than corn and soybeans.
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Because it doesn't pay.
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Farming economics
for the last eight years
has been stressful.
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We're at cost of production
or less.
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We're buying land,
we're buying equipment.
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It's a half a million
dollars, almost,
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for some of these combines
and tractors.
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We've got bills up to here.
I mean, we are highly leveraged.
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So we're transitioning acres
into organic.
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But you'll get
more for organic.
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Yes, but the hard part
is that 36 months of transition.
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It's a nightmare.
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Right, yeah,
36 months of no money.
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Right,
and tell your banker that.
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We go every year to the bank
to renew our ag loan.
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And it's only from beginning
of the year to the end.
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And it's like, there's no,
there's no flow
in between years,
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where soil health needs that.
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Transition to organic
needs that.
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So, do you have animals
as well?
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Just kids.
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Agricultural economics
is totally upside-down.
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So, the majority of farmers
in the United States
go to the bank every winter,
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and they borrow
operating capital so that they
can buy seed and fertilizer
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and all of the inputs
that they'll need to grow
their crops.
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They farm all year
and hope they can make enough
at the end of the year
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to pay that note back and hope
that the lending institution
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will do it again next year.
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Over, and over, and over,
and over.
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And in our history, that's
exactly what happened to us.
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It was Economics 101
in the '80s.
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We lost the family farm in '83.
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I mean, everything,
it was an auction,
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and everything right down
to my mom's car and our home
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were auctioned off
in a foreclosure.
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And it was survival mode.
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Unfortunately right now feels
eerily, eerily like that.
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It's a stupid business.
Nobody else does that.
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I mean, go to any financial
advisor and say, "All right,
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I'm going to risk
$8 million this year,
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and I'm going
to work 100 hours a week
for a $50,000 return."
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I mean, they're going
to tell you you're an idiot.
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I mean, the more I report
this documentary,
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the more I feel that
the finances of farmers
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are at the crux
of so much of what's
going on in this country.
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The degree of risk that
these folks take on
is staggering.
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Like, we get...
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You know, we're talking about
forgiving student loan debt,
right, as a way of like,
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you know, recognizing
that the economy has been
stacked against people
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who've graduated in the past
couple of years,
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and that it's a real drag
on economic growth.
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Oh, my God, you know how much
farm debt's out there?
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Those folks are part
of a food production system.
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They deserve to be able
to make a living
doing what they're doing.
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That's a choice.
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We made a conscious decision
to favor agribusiness interests,
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as opposed to investing
in the people that were
on the land.
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If you ask how many farmers are
actually able to make a living
just from farming?
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It's almost no one.
Almost no one.
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If, if you're generous,
it would be about
seven percent of farmers.
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You just have to think
about that.
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You know, what economic sector
would sustain
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with only seven percent
of them being able
to make positive revenue?
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- How are you?
- How we doing, Chef?
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- Good to see you.
- I'll show you...
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- Hey, Marcus.
- How are you, dear?
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You can tell, quickly,
what business is in Harlem,
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but not of Harlem, right?
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I'll show you the difference.
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If you're in Harlem,
it's just boarded up
with plywood, right?
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If you're of Harlem,
there's art on your gate.
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So, in and of.
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- Ready to go.
- How you doing, Chef?
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- What's up man,
what's going on?
- That's the chef.
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You have restaurants
all over the world, right?
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"Had" is the key word there.
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It took me 25 years
to build this.
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It took ten days
to break it all down.
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When people said, Ruth,
everybody's left New York City,
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I find it almost disrespectful.
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People have not left.
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Do you need
another mask?
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Yeah,
I could use another one.
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There are
deli workers, nurses,
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homeless people,
people with mental illnesses.
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And on top of that, every day,
Harlem gets busloads
of homeless,
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or people that are
incarcerated, and just get
dropped off on 125th street.
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I mean, it's, it's horrendous.
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Do you want some food?
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- I got some.
- You got some, good.
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One of the things that
I'm looking at is,
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in 1920, 19% of the farms
in America were Black-owned.
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Now it's like one percent.
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- Wow. Do you know this amazing
woman, Karen Washington?
- No.
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She's fierce.
You'll love her.
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Ten to one.
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And if they don't come,
it's donated to La Finca.
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All right. Let's make sure
everybody got their order.
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One red Russian
kale six-pack.
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- Uh-huh.
- You got the parsley?
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- Yes.
- Chives?
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Yes.
This will do good in shade.
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Enjoy, and take us some pictures
and send them to us.
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When I moved to the Bronx,
I had a huge backyard,
and I decided, you know what?
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Let me try and grow some food.
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I started with green peppers
and tomatoes,
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and it was the tomato that
changed my world completely.
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Because prior to that,
tomatoes were always pink,
they were never red.
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They tasted like cardboard.
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And so when I grew this tomato,
first of all,
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I was mesmerized
that it grew on a vine.
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That it was red? What?
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And when I picked it
and I bit into it,
it just rocked my world.
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The taste was so intense,
so sweet, and I was hooked.
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COVID hit communities
of color so hard,
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because of the preexisting
diet-related diseases
that we've had.
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The high incidence
of hypertension,
type 2 diabetes, obesity.
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I've been on this journey,
getting politicians
and people to understand
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the importance of growing food,
and why it's so important,
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especially in low-income
neighborhoods and neighborhoods
of color, to do so.
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00:24:25,394 --> 00:24:29,226
When you talk about food desert,
you're not getting
the underlying problem
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when it comes to race
and economics
and demographics.
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And when you talk about
food apartheid,
people start to listen.
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00:24:37,614 --> 00:24:42,032
It's important that we look
at our food system to see
who's growing the food.
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Who are the farm workers,
who are the farmers?
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00:24:45,207 --> 00:24:50,903
Because out of 57,000 farmers
in New York state,
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only 139 are Black.
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00:24:54,907 --> 00:24:58,773
- Oh, my God.
- You tell me, you tell me
what I'm fighting for.
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00:24:58,911 --> 00:25:04,503
And so we can't talk
about a sustainable,
equitable food system,
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if we're not in it.
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In the early 1900s,
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there were more Black farms
than there were white farms.
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96% of land-owning farmers
are white.
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And they control 97% of land.
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So you essentially have a system
that is structurally racist
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because of the way that
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the federal government
intervened
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to first of all
appropriate that land
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and then distribute it.
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The vast majority of
African American farmland lost
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has been in the 20th century.
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It's happened since 1950, right?
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So this is not ancient history,
this is current history.
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This is very real
to people who were
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on the land.
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They're still alive,
those people.
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I mean...
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we have never had the reckoning
within our country that we need.
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And we certainly haven't
had it within agriculture.
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00:26:02,664 --> 00:26:05,633
As part of the New Deal,
everybody got the right
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to the minimum wage
for the first time, except
for groups of Black workers.
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Farm workers, domestic workers,
and tipped restaurant workers
who were told
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you get a zero dollar wage,
as long as tips bring you
to the full minimum wage.
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00:26:16,816 --> 00:26:22,408
And we went from zero in 1938
to $2.13 81 years later.
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Prior to the pandemic,
the restaurant industry
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was the second-largest
and absolute fastest-growing
sector of the US economy.
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But it was also the absolute
lowest-paying employer.
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00:26:36,940 --> 00:26:41,082
Every year, the seven
lowest-paying jobs would be
in the restaurant industry,
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and the eighth-lowest
would be farm workers.
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So, part of what you're seeing
in the protests
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is a lot of unemployed
service workers out there.
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I mean, George Floyd himself was
an unemployed restaurant worker,
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and there are
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a ton of our people
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fighting for their lives.
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00:27:00,101 --> 00:27:05,416
It is about police brutality,
and it's about so much more.
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00:27:05,554 --> 00:27:10,732
After emancipation, employers
first demanded the right
to hire newly freed slaves
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and not pay them anything
and have them live entirely
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on this new notion
that had just come from Europe
at the time called a tip.
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00:27:17,705 --> 00:27:22,019
And it really was slavery
that mutated this idea
of tipping,
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not as a bonus or an extra
on top of a wage,
but rather the wage itself.
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Because there was a desire
to hire Black people,
in particular Black women,
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actually, at the time,
not pay them anything,
and have them live on tips.
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But I think
the surprising thing is,
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we are seeing dramatic
new willingness
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of lots and lots of independent
restaurants to totally change
their business models.
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I get my affinity
for fighting against any kind
of injustice from my mom.
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00:28:02,853 --> 00:28:07,720
When we were made fun of
in school, she would, like,
teach folks about Arab culture.
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00:28:07,858 --> 00:28:12,345
And she always made sure
that anyone who came through
our household was fed.
461
00:28:12,483 --> 00:28:14,002
My grandmother was the same way.
462
00:28:14,140 --> 00:28:17,661
And I started to see the virtue
of Arab hospitality.
463
00:28:18,938 --> 00:28:21,596
You are trying
to use this time
464
00:28:21,734 --> 00:28:24,910
to figure out another way.
465
00:28:25,048 --> 00:28:27,567
Yes. Exactly.
466
00:28:27,706 --> 00:28:29,086
It was really scary.
467
00:28:29,224 --> 00:28:31,364
Our sales plummeted,
468
00:28:31,502 --> 00:28:34,643
and lack of tips was
a huge blow to my workers
469
00:28:34,782 --> 00:28:37,405
when we stopped
our restaurant operations.
470
00:28:37,543 --> 00:28:40,822
My employees formed
a collective to, like,
471
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:46,655
demand answers from management,
but also, I think,
to take care of each other.
472
00:28:46,794 --> 00:28:48,934
So I was like,
how do I take care of my workers
473
00:28:49,072 --> 00:28:52,696
so that they're better off
from this whole debacle
than they were before?
474
00:28:52,834 --> 00:28:57,459
And the only answer to me
was worker ownership.
475
00:28:57,597 --> 00:29:01,015
I'm fascinated
and admiring of your efforts
476
00:29:01,153 --> 00:29:04,397
to share the ownership
of your business
with your employees.
477
00:29:04,535 --> 00:29:08,677
Living your principles
in your work life
is really difficult.
478
00:29:08,816 --> 00:29:11,439
I mean, as I told you,
479
00:29:11,577 --> 00:29:14,787
I've sort of come out
of this movement
480
00:29:14,925 --> 00:29:18,618
and sort of watched it
happen in the '70s.
481
00:29:26,972 --> 00:29:30,665
In 1973, we put everything
we owned, including our cat,
482
00:29:30,803 --> 00:29:34,427
into a big green van
and drove out to Berkeley.
483
00:29:36,222 --> 00:29:38,707
You know, it was all
these counterculture people.
484
00:29:38,846 --> 00:29:42,056
And after
the Vietnam War movement,
we started looking
485
00:29:42,194 --> 00:29:46,785
for the next cause, because we
felt like we'd made an impact.
486
00:29:46,923 --> 00:29:49,097
And so, what do we see?
487
00:29:49,235 --> 00:29:52,860
We see that American food
is becoming industrialized.
488
00:29:52,998 --> 00:29:54,723
It wasn't really new.
489
00:29:54,862 --> 00:29:57,968
But what we were seeing now
were the environmental costs
490
00:29:58,106 --> 00:30:00,971
and the exploitation of labor
and agriculture.
491
00:30:01,109 --> 00:30:04,112
People started protesting.
492
00:30:04,250 --> 00:30:07,875
Everyone I knew was reading
Diet for a Small Planet.
493
00:30:08,013 --> 00:30:11,775
And there was this new
consciousness about
limited resources.
494
00:30:11,913 --> 00:30:15,779
I started cooking
at a restaurant collective
called The Swallow.
495
00:30:18,195 --> 00:30:20,853
I was writing occasional
496
00:30:20,991 --> 00:30:22,337
little pieces for New West--
497
00:30:22,475 --> 00:30:24,477
where to go to get ice cream
and things like that.
498
00:30:24,615 --> 00:30:28,343
And one of my editors said,
"Have you ever thought about
being a restaurant critic?"
499
00:30:28,481 --> 00:30:30,518
And I looked at him
and said, "Don't be ridiculous."
500
00:30:30,656 --> 00:30:31,830
"I don't even have
a credit card."
501
00:30:31,968 --> 00:30:33,970
"What do you mean,
be a restaurant critic?"
502
00:30:34,108 --> 00:30:36,213
And he said,
"Just give it a try."
503
00:30:36,351 --> 00:30:41,080
I went home to my commune
and said to everyone,
"We're going out to eat."
504
00:30:42,875 --> 00:30:45,153
So, for the next six years
at New West magazine,
505
00:30:45,291 --> 00:30:49,848
I just wrote short stories
with the review kind of
threaded through it.
506
00:30:52,712 --> 00:30:56,302
And then the LA Times called me
and said, "We want you to be
our restaurant critic."
507
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,375
And I was like, Oh,
maybe this is my real life.
508
00:31:15,597 --> 00:31:20,533
I first met Alice in 1973.
509
00:31:20,671 --> 00:31:24,744
I thought she was the most
glamorous, exciting creature.
510
00:31:24,883 --> 00:31:29,611
I lived in a commune
in a broken-down old house.
511
00:31:29,749 --> 00:31:34,962
We were kind of scruffy,
and Alice always felt, to me,
512
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:38,275
like, kind of, I guess,
the person I wanted to be.
513
00:31:38,413 --> 00:31:40,795
And then we did become friends.
514
00:31:40,933 --> 00:31:47,008
The way we've always worked
has been collaboratively.
515
00:31:47,146 --> 00:31:51,392
For 50 years,
we've been buying directly
516
00:31:51,530 --> 00:31:53,877
from the farmer and the rancher,
517
00:31:54,015 --> 00:31:55,983
giving the farmer all the money.
518
00:31:56,121 --> 00:31:57,501
No middleman.
519
00:31:57,639 --> 00:32:01,264
Because when we said
to Bob Cannard,
520
00:32:01,402 --> 00:32:03,369
"We're buying
everything you do,
521
00:32:03,507 --> 00:32:08,098
you'll have all the money
that we would give
to a wholesaler,"
522
00:32:08,236 --> 00:32:11,964
it was that
that really changed us.
523
00:32:12,102 --> 00:32:16,865
Because we followed
his cycle, not ours.
524
00:32:17,004 --> 00:32:22,837
And once we got in his rhythm,
we've never looked back.
525
00:32:22,975 --> 00:32:27,842
And he brought all the values
right through the kitchen door.
526
00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:32,640
To think that that biodiversity
is out there,
527
00:32:32,778 --> 00:32:35,781
it's just waiting for us.
528
00:32:44,307 --> 00:32:46,481
You grew up
in Newfoundland, right?
529
00:32:46,619 --> 00:32:48,621
- Yeah.
- How'd you end up in New Haven?
530
00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:50,313
Uh, I chased a girl.
531
00:32:53,419 --> 00:32:58,286
So, how did you come up
with the notion of doing kelp?
532
00:32:58,424 --> 00:33:01,151
What we did was ask
the ocean,
533
00:33:01,289 --> 00:33:02,739
what does it make sense to grow?
534
00:33:02,877 --> 00:33:05,052
And when you ask the ocean
what to grow, the ocean says,
535
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:08,814
"Grow things
that won't swim away
and you don't have to feed."
536
00:33:08,952 --> 00:33:12,231
As soon as you make that shift,
you listen to the ocean,
537
00:33:12,369 --> 00:33:16,580
it becomes really pretty simple
and you've got a lot
of different crops you can grow.
538
00:33:16,718 --> 00:33:21,171
So kelp is the ultimate
specialty boutique food
right now, right?
539
00:33:21,309 --> 00:33:25,175
And we're repurposing our crops
to non-food.
540
00:33:25,313 --> 00:33:28,661
The bioplastics for N95 masks.
541
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:30,629
- Oh, yeah.
- Made out of seaweed.
542
00:33:30,767 --> 00:33:36,083
But that's the sort of
"don't let a crisis
go to waste," right?
543
00:33:36,221 --> 00:33:41,364
I believe in polyculture because
that allows for resilience.
544
00:33:41,502 --> 00:33:45,126
That quadrant farm,
where we're harvesting food,
545
00:33:45,264 --> 00:33:49,130
we're harvesting byproducts,
so things
that are not food-grade.
546
00:33:49,268 --> 00:33:53,893
We're harvesting data, and we're
harvesting carbon and nitrogen.
547
00:33:54,032 --> 00:33:55,964
And all of those
are different crops.
548
00:33:56,103 --> 00:33:59,278
You have a crop fail, you've
got many, many different things
549
00:33:59,416 --> 00:34:00,969
you can sell year-round, right?
550
00:34:01,108 --> 00:34:04,283
I'm going to move
a little bit.
551
00:34:04,421 --> 00:34:09,461
Dad's last operating note
at the bank was 24% interest.
552
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:12,636
And then, he was starting
to see that it was taking
553
00:34:12,774 --> 00:34:17,469
greater and greater
amounts of inputs to produce
less and less outputs.
554
00:34:17,607 --> 00:34:21,300
So, at the same time he was
getting his economic lesson,
555
00:34:21,438 --> 00:34:25,166
he was getting this agronomic
lesson in soil health.
556
00:34:25,304 --> 00:34:31,138
40 years later, we understand
that model of economics, and we
don't want any part of it.
557
00:34:31,276 --> 00:34:37,454
We're a 12-month operation,
so we've been able to cash flow
without an operating note,
558
00:34:37,592 --> 00:34:41,251
just because that we're selling
12 months of the year.
559
00:34:43,460 --> 00:34:45,566
We met this guy by the name
560
00:34:45,704 --> 00:34:47,602
of Jean Louis Palladin,
561
00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:49,121
who said, basically,
562
00:34:49,259 --> 00:34:52,193
"I yearn for
the produce of Europe,
563
00:34:52,331 --> 00:34:55,058
because your produce here
tastes like nothing!"
564
00:34:55,196 --> 00:35:00,028
And he said,
"There are enough of us chefs
that will support you
565
00:35:00,167 --> 00:35:05,448
if you do this the right way,
because it will taste good."
566
00:35:05,586 --> 00:35:08,313
We are indebted to him forever,
567
00:35:08,451 --> 00:35:10,798
for hurting our feelings
so badly.
568
00:35:10,936 --> 00:35:14,112
He's one of the ones
we all really miss.
569
00:35:14,250 --> 00:35:18,185
Absolutely.
But he started a revolution.
570
00:35:18,323 --> 00:35:19,910
What we didn't understand was,
571
00:35:20,048 --> 00:35:26,054
as we researched how do we grow
really great-tasting vegetables,
572
00:35:26,193 --> 00:35:29,679
we had no idea that we
were bringing nutrition
along for the ride.
573
00:35:29,817 --> 00:35:34,925
And the medical community
is taking note of our work
574
00:35:35,063 --> 00:35:38,377
and the work of many, many
other regenerative farms,
575
00:35:38,515 --> 00:35:41,346
who are growing healthy crops
576
00:35:41,484 --> 00:35:46,144
and raising the body's ability
to defend itself from disease.
577
00:35:46,282 --> 00:35:50,769
I often wonder what our country
would look like
578
00:35:50,907 --> 00:35:54,082
had we made
a different choice in 1948.
579
00:35:54,221 --> 00:35:58,052
What if we had decided we were
going to have the most
nutritious food?
580
00:35:58,190 --> 00:36:01,435
From 1940 to 2000,
we've lost 40%
of the nutritive value
581
00:36:01,573 --> 00:36:04,092
of the food we grow
in this country.
582
00:36:04,231 --> 00:36:08,166
Now, we have the highest
per capita spending
of healthcare
583
00:36:08,304 --> 00:36:10,237
of any industrialized nation
in the world,
584
00:36:10,375 --> 00:36:12,480
because we have
the lowest per capita spending
585
00:36:12,618 --> 00:36:15,552
on food of any industrialized
nation in the world.
586
00:36:15,690 --> 00:36:18,831
The big picture is that what
this system has been generating
587
00:36:18,969 --> 00:36:22,110
has been sanctioning
the concentration of wealth
588
00:36:22,249 --> 00:36:24,803
in the very few large monopolies
589
00:36:24,941 --> 00:36:27,495
and sanctioning the production
of junk food,
590
00:36:27,633 --> 00:36:32,466
which happens to be
very profitable
for the food industry
591
00:36:32,604 --> 00:36:35,779
but horrible for the health
of the entire population.
592
00:36:37,747 --> 00:36:42,303
After World War II,
chain restaurants began
to proliferate.
593
00:36:42,441 --> 00:36:43,960
Everybody loved them,
but they used
594
00:36:44,098 --> 00:36:46,618
inexpensive labor
and low-quality ingredients
595
00:36:46,756 --> 00:36:50,863
that came straight
out of the industrialized
farming system.
596
00:36:51,001 --> 00:36:54,073
These fast-food corporations
made huge profits
597
00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:59,251
offering cheap food,
and they became symbols
of American culture.
598
00:36:59,389 --> 00:37:02,737
We exported them
all over the world.
599
00:37:05,568 --> 00:37:09,882
COVID revealed the fragility
of independent restaurants.
600
00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:12,851
One in five look likely
to close,
601
00:37:12,989 --> 00:37:17,027
and I worry that the chain
restaurants are going
to gobble up the real estate.
602
00:37:23,033 --> 00:37:26,105
The workload seems
already better.
603
00:37:26,244 --> 00:37:27,728
What do you guys think?
604
00:37:31,456 --> 00:37:32,457
I feel like...
605
00:37:32,595 --> 00:37:34,735
It feels like it's the same.
606
00:37:34,873 --> 00:37:39,360
They had all sacrificed
and been in quarantine,
never got out of quarantine.
607
00:37:39,498 --> 00:37:42,190
And then we had to compete
with places opening.
608
00:37:42,329 --> 00:37:46,988
I talked to my team, I said,
like, "This isn't working,
we're not going to survive."
609
00:37:47,126 --> 00:37:49,439
And that's the first time
I felt that, ever.
610
00:37:49,577 --> 00:37:51,786
You know, I think I've been
in the system so long
611
00:37:51,924 --> 00:37:53,995
where I just have to be like,
you have to be humble.
612
00:37:54,133 --> 00:37:57,516
You have to just work twice as
hard and charge half as much,
613
00:37:57,654 --> 00:37:59,587
because you're a woman
and you're an immigrant.
614
00:37:59,725 --> 00:38:03,142
And they're just like,
"Oh, my God, we've all
worked in fine dining."
615
00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:05,524
"You would charge $40
for this."
616
00:38:05,662 --> 00:38:09,183
"And we need to, because
you're not being fair to us."
617
00:38:09,321 --> 00:38:11,875
"You expect us to work
all the stations,
618
00:38:12,013 --> 00:38:15,154
do all the things,
and then you charge $13?"
619
00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:18,951
"Like, come on," and I think
it's a culture where people
620
00:38:19,089 --> 00:38:20,884
really don't want to pay
a lot for food.
621
00:38:21,022 --> 00:38:27,995
But I don't know
that you can have your standards
and try and do cheap food.
622
00:38:28,133 --> 00:38:29,721
I mean...
623
00:38:29,859 --> 00:38:34,070
I mean, because you're using
really high-quality ingredients.
624
00:38:34,208 --> 00:38:37,038
Your food is very
labor intensive.
625
00:38:37,176 --> 00:38:39,247
Should I just become
a fine dining restaurant?
626
00:38:39,386 --> 00:38:40,766
I mean, this is...
I mean, this is...
627
00:38:40,904 --> 00:38:43,804
I think you have the answers
for me, Ruth.
628
00:38:43,942 --> 00:38:45,046
Uh...
629
00:38:46,496 --> 00:38:49,396
Maybe you should, um...
and then the question is,
630
00:38:49,534 --> 00:38:51,639
are people going to go
to fine dining restaurants?
631
00:38:51,777 --> 00:38:54,401
I mean, a lot of the fine dining
chefs I'm speaking to
632
00:38:54,539 --> 00:38:57,749
are saying, "I don't think
I'm going to reopen as
a fine dining restaurant."
633
00:38:57,887 --> 00:39:02,340
I mean,
it just doesn't seem to make
sense in this particular moment.
634
00:39:09,657 --> 00:39:11,866
You can't really be
defensive right now,
635
00:39:12,004 --> 00:39:13,937
and you can't wait
for the cavalry to come.
636
00:39:14,075 --> 00:39:15,801
You have to scale it to a point
637
00:39:15,939 --> 00:39:18,390
where it's like
you're feeding an army
for it to work out.
638
00:39:18,528 --> 00:39:22,256
I started going like,
"Hey, what are we going to do
for Thanksgiving?"
639
00:39:22,394 --> 00:39:25,121
We paid up and bought
a couple thousand turkeys.
640
00:39:25,259 --> 00:39:28,262
I mean,
how many pounds of stuffing
are you going to make, Grant?
641
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,748
- Uh, five thousand.
- Are you serious?
642
00:39:31,886 --> 00:39:34,130
Five thousand pounds
of stuffing?
643
00:39:34,268 --> 00:39:38,237
I mean, I think thinking the way
you do is frightening to people.
644
00:39:38,376 --> 00:39:40,136
You're taking a lot of risks.
645
00:39:40,274 --> 00:39:42,138
I disagree.
So there's like...
646
00:39:42,276 --> 00:39:44,899
There's risk
and then there's being risky.
647
00:39:45,037 --> 00:39:47,868
So, I guess you're
taking risk, but risk is like,
648
00:39:48,006 --> 00:39:51,458
you used it in a pejorative way,
right, like risk is bad.
649
00:39:51,596 --> 00:39:53,943
No, I'm, I'm not.
650
00:39:54,081 --> 00:39:55,220
I mean, I think
what I'm learning
651
00:39:55,358 --> 00:39:58,913
in all this reporting
I'm doing is,
652
00:39:59,051 --> 00:40:01,122
I'm starting to understand risk.
653
00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:03,677
I mean, farmers,
more than anybody, I mean,
654
00:40:03,815 --> 00:40:06,334
for their whole lives
it's about managing risk.
655
00:40:06,473 --> 00:40:09,199
That's why they're
so great to deal with.
656
00:40:09,337 --> 00:40:12,479
- Because they understand it
intuitively.
- Yeah.
657
00:40:12,617 --> 00:40:17,173
So, right after this,
I've actually got a phone call
658
00:40:17,311 --> 00:40:19,831
with a really
forward-thinking farm.
659
00:40:19,969 --> 00:40:22,212
White Oak Pastures,
it's in Georgia.
660
00:40:22,350 --> 00:40:24,491
They're a carbon-negative farm.
661
00:40:24,629 --> 00:40:27,252
I called them last week
with no reason.
662
00:40:27,390 --> 00:40:30,048
Like, I made up a reason
to call them, because
I was in a bad mood.
663
00:40:30,186 --> 00:40:33,396
And I was just like,
"I need to talk to somebody
positive right now."
664
00:40:33,534 --> 00:40:37,365
Completely the cultural opposite
of where we live,
665
00:40:37,504 --> 00:40:40,299
and yet, like, I'm like,
why is someone
666
00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:42,819
not making a documentary
about these people?
667
00:41:06,291 --> 00:41:11,158
I mean, I'd like
to get those south,
catch them in the triangle.
668
00:41:11,296 --> 00:41:14,610
And then shoot them down,
maybe to Bermuda Bend.
669
00:41:14,748 --> 00:41:18,993
I'll check with Tyler
to make sure their fencing
ain't going to be in the way.
670
00:41:19,131 --> 00:41:25,344
I wanted to talk to you about,
what got you on this path,
671
00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:27,933
and whether it's possible
for other people.
672
00:41:28,071 --> 00:41:32,213
You know, 25 years ago,
I didn't say, "The food system
is not resilient,
673
00:41:32,351 --> 00:41:34,595
I think I'll work
on making it resilient."
674
00:41:34,733 --> 00:41:36,079
That did not happen.
675
00:41:36,217 --> 00:41:39,220
I am the fourth generation
of my family
676
00:41:39,358 --> 00:41:42,292
to raise animals on this farm
in Bluffton, Georgia.
677
00:41:42,430 --> 00:41:47,953
And my father started
the process of industrializing,
678
00:41:48,091 --> 00:41:51,163
commoditizing,
and centralizing this farm.
679
00:41:51,301 --> 00:41:54,857
I farmed that way for 20 years.
680
00:41:54,995 --> 00:41:56,375
In the mid-'90s,
681
00:41:56,514 --> 00:41:59,171
I found that I had
become disillusioned
682
00:41:59,309 --> 00:42:01,898
with the excesses
of that farming system.
683
00:42:02,036 --> 00:42:05,868
So I started just very gradually
moving away from it.
684
00:42:06,006 --> 00:42:10,631
For me, the first canary
in the coal mine
685
00:42:10,769 --> 00:42:13,151
was animal welfare.
686
00:42:13,289 --> 00:42:18,397
Really, it's incumbent upon me,
as the herdsman,
687
00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:23,541
to give
the animals the opportunity
to express instinctive behavior.
688
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:26,751
And you can't do that
in the confinement model.
689
00:42:26,889 --> 00:42:31,410
These cattle out here,
walking and grazing
is instinctive behavior.
690
00:42:31,549 --> 00:42:35,311
Those chickens right there,
scratching and pecking
is instinctive behavior.
691
00:42:35,449 --> 00:42:38,590
Those hogs in that swamp
over there that's rooting
and wallowing,
692
00:42:38,728 --> 00:42:40,316
that's instinctive behavior.
693
00:42:40,454 --> 00:42:45,010
Over a 20-year period,
the organic matter in our soil
694
00:42:45,148 --> 00:42:48,669
has gone from about
half a percent to five percent.
695
00:42:48,807 --> 00:42:53,847
And by the way, all that carbon
came from greenhouse gasses
that used to be up there,
696
00:42:53,985 --> 00:42:58,127
that got, through photosynthesis
and microbial activity
and animal activity,
697
00:42:58,265 --> 00:42:59,991
got marooned in the soil.
698
00:43:00,129 --> 00:43:03,235
I saw my land go
from a dead mineral medium
699
00:43:03,373 --> 00:43:07,481
to an organic medium
that's teeming with life.
700
00:43:07,619 --> 00:43:10,967
Everything is tied
to everything else.
701
00:43:11,105 --> 00:43:13,349
I don't think of this farm
as a factory.
702
00:43:13,487 --> 00:43:16,076
I think of it as an organism.
703
00:43:19,527 --> 00:43:23,946
We're at a turning point
in this business,
as far as I'm concerned.
704
00:43:24,084 --> 00:43:25,844
It is a broken pricing system.
705
00:43:25,982 --> 00:43:27,535
Call where you do business
706
00:43:27,674 --> 00:43:30,331
and ask them
to call the senators
and representatives.
707
00:43:30,469 --> 00:43:35,026
Sign that petition,
stand up for your rights.
We are bringing attention to it.
708
00:43:35,164 --> 00:43:38,029
So, if there is one thing
you could explain
709
00:43:38,167 --> 00:43:41,722
to the American consumer
about your business,
what would it be?
710
00:43:41,860 --> 00:43:45,346
I would like the American
consumer to understand that
711
00:43:45,484 --> 00:43:49,385
the person that does
all the work
and has all the investment
712
00:43:49,523 --> 00:43:54,735
is doing it literally
for nothing, and the middlemen
are getting all the money.
713
00:43:56,461 --> 00:43:57,945
The system's so monopolized.
714
00:43:58,083 --> 00:44:00,327
This packer takes these yards,
715
00:44:00,465 --> 00:44:03,123
and this packer takes
this area of this state.
716
00:44:03,261 --> 00:44:06,540
And nobody else comes in
and messes with them.
717
00:44:06,678 --> 00:44:09,094
I mean, how would it work,
in your dream world?
718
00:44:09,232 --> 00:44:14,755
I would like them
to break up the Big Four,
like we did in 1917.
719
00:44:14,893 --> 00:44:19,933
I would like to start
with the two that
are majority foreign-owned.
720
00:44:20,071 --> 00:44:24,454
I want government to police
a level playing field.
721
00:44:24,592 --> 00:44:29,667
Then let us fight it out
on the economies of scale
and efficiency among ourselves,
722
00:44:29,805 --> 00:44:32,290
and let the best people win
and stay in business.
723
00:44:32,428 --> 00:44:34,050
That's America.
724
00:44:34,188 --> 00:44:35,949
Perhaps the most
important person
725
00:44:36,087 --> 00:44:39,918
for the continued sustainability
and viability
of American agriculture
726
00:44:40,056 --> 00:44:42,783
and the welfare
of the American farmer
727
00:44:42,921 --> 00:44:45,959
is not the Secretary
of Agriculture, but is in fact
728
00:44:46,097 --> 00:44:50,066
who is in the Department
of Justice and their
antitrust regulatory unit.
729
00:44:50,204 --> 00:44:54,381
That person is going to matter
a lot as to whether or not we
get an ever more concentrated,
730
00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:56,314
more consolidated food system,
731
00:44:56,452 --> 00:44:59,938
or start paying farmers
more fairly for the products
that they produce.
732
00:45:00,076 --> 00:45:04,771
I would like to have
smaller beef plants
every 300, 400 miles.
733
00:45:04,909 --> 00:45:10,466
If one went down, it would be
two, three percent of the daily
slaughter, not 15%.
734
00:45:10,604 --> 00:45:13,193
I would like producers
to own those packing plants.
735
00:45:13,331 --> 00:45:17,991
I think that would be better
for states and communities
and producers.
736
00:45:26,827 --> 00:45:30,072
Do you still have to depend
on the big packing companies?
737
00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:32,799
Well, ultimately
I made the choice
738
00:45:32,937 --> 00:45:35,940
to build slaughterhouses
on my farm,
739
00:45:36,078 --> 00:45:38,114
which at that time
was unheard of.
740
00:45:38,252 --> 00:45:42,601
I was blessed, I had equity,
I was left the farm,
I was not hand-to-mouth.
741
00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:45,294
So I could lose money
for a while, and I did.
742
00:45:45,432 --> 00:45:49,436
And now I have about
$7.2 million invested
743
00:45:49,574 --> 00:45:54,165
in further processing
infrastructure.
744
00:45:54,303 --> 00:45:56,926
You know, the front side
of my card says,
745
00:45:57,064 --> 00:46:00,274
"land steward and herdsman."
746
00:46:00,412 --> 00:46:04,278
It don't say "meat processor,"
cuz I don't like that part.
747
00:46:04,416 --> 00:46:07,937
It don't say "marketer,"
cuz I don't like that part.
748
00:46:08,075 --> 00:46:11,251
So... but I'm all those things.
749
00:46:11,389 --> 00:46:15,634
How big do you envision
White Oak Pastures becoming?
750
00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:19,777
What we do here
is not highly scalable.
751
00:46:19,915 --> 00:46:21,709
But it's highly replicatable.
752
00:46:21,848 --> 00:46:26,853
There could and should be
one or two or three
White Oak Pastures
753
00:46:26,991 --> 00:46:30,822
in every agricultural county
in this country.
754
00:46:33,445 --> 00:46:35,171
It's an amazing thing
that you do,
755
00:46:35,309 --> 00:46:39,210
where you train people
to farm the way you do.
756
00:46:39,348 --> 00:46:45,009
So I believe in scale,
but it's not scale through size,
it's scale through replication.
757
00:46:45,147 --> 00:46:48,357
What made you start GreenWave?
758
00:46:48,495 --> 00:46:50,290
I was doing well
with kelp,
759
00:46:50,428 --> 00:46:54,432
and so GreenWave was
the way to just create
this organization,
760
00:46:54,570 --> 00:46:59,368
which is built on sharing,
on building knowledge networks.
761
00:46:59,506 --> 00:47:02,129
Our backs are against
the wall, we have to innovate.
762
00:47:02,267 --> 00:47:04,856
We've got a program called
Project GreenWave,
763
00:47:04,994 --> 00:47:09,240
where we hire inner-city kids
to package, cook,
process all of our food.
764
00:47:09,378 --> 00:47:12,588
They learn about 3D farming,
they learn about sustainability.
765
00:47:12,726 --> 00:47:16,626
I was getting pressured
to become, like,
the kelp king, right?
766
00:47:16,764 --> 00:47:19,146
And everybody was like,
"franchise your model,"
767
00:47:19,284 --> 00:47:21,424
and, like, all these sharks
from Wall Street were coming
768
00:47:21,562 --> 00:47:24,911
and telling me that there
was huge opportunities.
769
00:47:25,049 --> 00:47:27,741
And, I mean,
what's my metric to success?
770
00:47:27,879 --> 00:47:33,885
It's having 10,000 climate
resilient farmers on the ocean.
771
00:47:34,023 --> 00:47:35,783
Like, that'll make me die happy.
772
00:47:35,922 --> 00:47:38,856
It started out, this little
kind of tiny, you know,
773
00:47:38,994 --> 00:47:41,099
we're training eight,
ten farmers a year,
774
00:47:41,237 --> 00:47:44,482
southern New England,
really small, so that's
what it was going to be.
775
00:47:44,620 --> 00:47:49,004
And then 8,000 people signed up
for farmer training
on the website.
776
00:47:49,142 --> 00:47:53,180
When people think regenerative
ocean farming, hopefully this
would be their starting place.
777
00:47:53,318 --> 00:47:57,081
It's really interesting,
because every restaurant
in America
778
00:47:57,219 --> 00:47:59,014
is complaining that they
can't get workers,
779
00:47:59,152 --> 00:48:01,740
because people just don't want
to do bad jobs anymore.
780
00:48:01,879 --> 00:48:05,952
I mean, God forbid
we gave people a taste of agency
781
00:48:06,090 --> 00:48:07,125
and beauty.
782
00:48:07,263 --> 00:48:09,887
Right? Whoops!
783
00:48:10,025 --> 00:48:12,993
Like, wow,
that's really too bad.
784
00:48:15,099 --> 00:48:17,964
There are a lot of people
who are questioning,
785
00:48:18,102 --> 00:48:20,932
do they want to go back to
things the way they used to be,
786
00:48:21,070 --> 00:48:22,761
and you're offering
an alternative.
787
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:26,213
And it's so funny,
people from all over
the industry are emailing me,
788
00:48:26,351 --> 00:48:29,907
like all of a sudden I've become
like an expert on co-ops,
and I'm not.
789
00:48:30,045 --> 00:48:31,805
You know, I'm just learning.
790
00:48:31,943 --> 00:48:35,464
I have to figure it out,
so that other people
can follow suit.
791
00:48:35,602 --> 00:48:37,086
But people are interested.
792
00:48:39,399 --> 00:48:43,023
Food is a gateway
for learning
about so many things,
793
00:48:43,161 --> 00:48:47,786
from culture to the way
that communities have survived,
794
00:48:47,925 --> 00:48:49,961
to the way that we build
community.
795
00:48:50,099 --> 00:48:54,103
And it really wasn't
just about feeding myself,
I learned.
796
00:48:54,241 --> 00:48:55,967
It was about feeding others.
797
00:48:56,105 --> 00:49:00,523
It was like in feeding others
that I felt satiated.
798
00:49:02,249 --> 00:49:04,734
Restaurants are more than
just restaurants.
799
00:49:04,872 --> 00:49:11,707
We are these third spaces
that are just more than
a transaction.
800
00:49:11,845 --> 00:49:15,228
I love restaurants,
I hope they continue to exist.
801
00:49:15,366 --> 00:49:19,611
But I feel like a lot more
people have to reimagine
what hospitality looks like.
802
00:49:19,749 --> 00:49:22,097
The, like,
true meaning of the word.
803
00:49:25,272 --> 00:49:27,343
My parents didn't care
about food,
804
00:49:27,481 --> 00:49:29,173
but they loved restaurants.
805
00:49:29,311 --> 00:49:31,761
We went out to eat a lot.
806
00:49:31,899 --> 00:49:36,007
My father was German, and he was
26 when he came to America.
807
00:49:36,145 --> 00:49:37,802
We lived near Luchow's,
808
00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:41,012
and we went to Luchow's
at least once a week
when I was growing up.
809
00:49:41,150 --> 00:49:45,844
And I saw with that that it was
how my father went home.
810
00:49:45,983 --> 00:49:49,641
My father's office was above
one of those little French
restaurants
811
00:49:49,779 --> 00:49:51,471
in New York called the Dubonnet.
812
00:49:51,609 --> 00:49:55,751
And we had a waiter, Max,
who was our waiter,
813
00:49:55,889 --> 00:49:59,272
and my parents were always
in a good mood
when we went there.
814
00:49:59,410 --> 00:50:01,101
Max would take me
into the kitchen
815
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,312
and get me to learn
what spices tasted like.
816
00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:11,422
And that was just a place
that I loved
and felt really happy in.
817
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:17,738
And my mother was enchanted
with Restaurant Associates'
Joe Baum.
818
00:50:17,876 --> 00:50:23,123
Joe Baum was the great maestro
of American restaurants
in the '50s and '60s.
819
00:50:23,261 --> 00:50:26,195
I mean, he invented
the Four Seasons restaurant,
820
00:50:26,333 --> 00:50:28,508
the Twelve Caesars,
La Fonda del Sol.
821
00:50:28,646 --> 00:50:32,236
He redid the Rainbow Room.
I mean, he did
these restaurants as drama.
822
00:50:32,374 --> 00:50:36,654
Joe Baum is the one who
brought the large peppermill
to the table,
823
00:50:36,792 --> 00:50:40,106
and also is responsible
for, "Hi, my name is..."
824
00:50:40,244 --> 00:50:43,764
He was a showman, and my mother
loved his restaurants.
825
00:50:43,902 --> 00:50:47,906
And we couldn't afford to go
to places like the Four Seasons,
826
00:50:48,045 --> 00:50:49,943
but we would go
and have a drink,
827
00:50:50,081 --> 00:50:53,740
and then we would go
to the Automat or something
for dinner afterwards.
828
00:50:55,776 --> 00:51:01,437
So I thought of restaurants
as places that
connected you to home,
829
00:51:01,575 --> 00:51:04,751
places where people were happy,
830
00:51:04,889 --> 00:51:09,376
and places that gave you
a chance to be someone else
for a while.
831
00:51:09,514 --> 00:51:13,380
I mean, I watched my mother
walk into the Four Seasons,
and she was just...
832
00:51:13,518 --> 00:51:17,074
you know, she was a rich woman
for a little while.
833
00:51:17,212 --> 00:51:18,661
The funny thing is,
834
00:51:18,799 --> 00:51:21,112
when I got to the New York Times
as a restaurant critic,
835
00:51:21,250 --> 00:51:25,012
my job was actually to eat at
many of these expensive places.
836
00:51:25,151 --> 00:51:28,878
I wanted to keep
my identity a secret,
837
00:51:29,016 --> 00:51:32,296
so I invented
various personalities.
838
00:51:32,434 --> 00:51:34,056
This is not the real Ruth
that we're seeing.
839
00:51:34,194 --> 00:51:36,472
No, I actually
do not have carrot-red hair.
840
00:51:36,610 --> 00:51:39,786
When you go to restaurants
as a critic, are you disguised?
841
00:51:39,924 --> 00:51:42,478
- Yes, but--
- All the time?
- Not all the time.
842
00:51:42,616 --> 00:51:46,448
When I first got to New York,
I went to Le Cirque.
843
00:51:46,586 --> 00:51:50,935
And everybody went there,
all the ex-presidents
went there, it was a big scene.
844
00:51:51,073 --> 00:51:53,627
I wrote one review
as the restaurant critic
845
00:51:53,765 --> 00:51:55,767
of the New York Times,
and what happens,
846
00:51:55,905 --> 00:52:00,462
and I wrote another review
as Ms. Nobody.
847
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,878
He had had four stars.
I took a star away.
848
00:52:03,016 --> 00:52:07,193
I said, "The food was very good,
but you cannot treat people
that way."
849
00:52:07,331 --> 00:52:09,160
There's still this voice
inside me saying,
850
00:52:09,298 --> 00:52:13,164
"Yeah, but all
you're really doing is telling
rich people where to go eat."
851
00:52:13,302 --> 00:52:16,892
And, um, if I had thought
852
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:20,309
that was all I had done
with my life,
it would make me very sad.
853
00:52:31,078 --> 00:52:33,253
When my husband's
dad was farming,
854
00:52:33,391 --> 00:52:36,014
they did the oats and the wheats
and the pearl millets.
855
00:52:36,153 --> 00:52:37,740
And we just got away from it.
856
00:52:37,878 --> 00:52:40,709
And using chemistry to take care
of our weed problems.
857
00:52:40,847 --> 00:52:45,369
So, I'm guessing that you were
the one who wanted
to go organic.
858
00:52:47,371 --> 00:52:49,545
Yes, it makes
all the sense in the world.
859
00:52:49,683 --> 00:52:52,997
It's just, it's very scary,
because we don't farm like that.
860
00:52:53,135 --> 00:52:54,826
Well, you were ahead
of your time.
861
00:52:54,964 --> 00:52:57,174
I don't know
if my family thought so.
862
00:52:57,312 --> 00:52:59,348
- I got a list.
- A list?
863
00:52:59,486 --> 00:53:00,522
I do.
864
00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:01,868
Okay, so last year,
865
00:53:02,006 --> 00:53:04,526
the field that had
the greatest contribution margin
866
00:53:04,664 --> 00:53:06,113
was the organic.
867
00:53:06,252 --> 00:53:10,048
The field that had
one of the lowest yields
was the organic.
868
00:53:10,187 --> 00:53:11,774
So it's not all about yield.
869
00:53:11,912 --> 00:53:16,123
My husband and I struggle a lot,
because he's a numbers man,
870
00:53:16,262 --> 00:53:19,955
and it's all about yield,
and how much money
you're going to make.
871
00:53:20,093 --> 00:53:25,616
Whereas like, well,
maybe if you got your soils
in a little better condition,
872
00:53:25,754 --> 00:53:27,756
you would get
that yield that you want.
873
00:53:27,894 --> 00:53:30,103
It was bad, I can tell.
874
00:53:30,241 --> 00:53:32,416
It didn't tank.
875
00:53:33,555 --> 00:53:34,901
It wasn't perfect.
876
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:36,247
Okay, next thing.
877
00:53:36,385 --> 00:53:37,455
It takes time,
878
00:53:37,593 --> 00:53:39,285
and that's a huge problem
with farmers,
879
00:53:39,423 --> 00:53:42,253
that they want everything
in that one-season window,
880
00:53:42,391 --> 00:53:44,324
and it doesn't work that way
with soil health.
881
00:53:44,462 --> 00:53:49,674
The only thing I was wanting
to bring up was goals.
882
00:53:49,812 --> 00:53:53,471
Because I don't think we're all
on the same page in that,
and I think it'll help.
883
00:53:53,609 --> 00:53:58,235
It's a tough road. We've had
a lot of heated discussions.
884
00:53:59,546 --> 00:54:02,825
We would not be organic
if I hadn't done it myself.
885
00:54:02,963 --> 00:54:04,413
I planted the field.
886
00:54:04,551 --> 00:54:07,865
I mean, I made sure
it got in that year.
887
00:54:08,003 --> 00:54:13,319
You know, it's their name
that gets run through the mud
if things go bad.
888
00:54:13,457 --> 00:54:15,562
It's not the wives,
it's the guy.
889
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:19,497
They can't separate themselves,
where we can go hide
in our kitchen.
890
00:54:36,618 --> 00:54:40,967
This is a family business,
but it's not just our family.
891
00:54:41,105 --> 00:54:45,316
You know, we have 120 families
that I'm responsible for.
892
00:54:45,454 --> 00:54:49,527
And we have an amazing crew
of seasonal staff,
893
00:54:49,665 --> 00:54:55,153
many whom have been
with us for over 25 years.
894
00:54:55,292 --> 00:54:58,398
And I have been keenly aware
895
00:54:58,536 --> 00:55:03,023
of attempts at immigration
reform over the past 30 years.
896
00:55:03,161 --> 00:55:06,303
H-2A is a visa program
we use here on the farm,
897
00:55:06,441 --> 00:55:10,893
and it is the only
legal avenue we have
898
00:55:11,031 --> 00:55:14,380
for seasonal agricultural
workers in the United States.
899
00:55:14,518 --> 00:55:17,486
Americans will not do this work.
900
00:55:17,624 --> 00:55:20,317
We're either going to have
foreign folks
901
00:55:20,455 --> 00:55:23,320
and allow them to come in
and do this type of work,
902
00:55:23,458 --> 00:55:26,875
or we'll round up
all 11 million undocumented,
903
00:55:27,013 --> 00:55:29,981
we'll send them all back,
we'll seal up the border,
904
00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:32,708
and then we will import
all of our food,
905
00:55:32,846 --> 00:55:37,230
from where the wage
is $6 to $8 a day.
906
00:55:37,368 --> 00:55:40,095
And then we compete
with that here.
907
00:55:40,233 --> 00:55:42,408
That model doesn't work.
908
00:55:42,546 --> 00:55:47,067
Society has to make
some of these choices.
909
00:55:47,205 --> 00:55:52,038
Are we willing to pay
more for quality food
that we know is grown right,
910
00:55:52,176 --> 00:55:55,593
and socially
responsible, or not?
911
00:55:55,731 --> 00:55:58,251
So, what's important?
Make a choice.
912
00:56:00,909 --> 00:56:06,639
Families lined up
to get fresh farm food outside
of the Maplewood YMCA yesterday.
913
00:56:06,777 --> 00:56:09,055
It's all part of a program
through the USDA.
914
00:56:09,193 --> 00:56:12,576
And the hope is to ease
the pandemic's burden
on families,
915
00:56:12,714 --> 00:56:16,131
and getting farmers' produce
where it's needed.
916
00:56:16,269 --> 00:56:19,134
The USDA Farm
to Families Program right now
917
00:56:19,272 --> 00:56:22,482
is providing an unbelievable
help on cash flow.
918
00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:28,108
If we had not gotten those
contracts, we would have had
to furlough more people.
919
00:56:29,869 --> 00:56:34,287
This is buying time to allow
the restaurants to come back.
920
00:56:34,425 --> 00:56:37,635
We're waiting to see if we get
a renewal on the new program.
921
00:56:37,773 --> 00:56:39,430
I can't imagine you won't.
922
00:56:39,568 --> 00:56:43,261
Until I have
that contract in my hand,
I'm not sleeping well.
923
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,714
So if you don't get
the contract, will you have
to furlough people?
924
00:56:47,852 --> 00:56:49,406
Yes.
925
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:58,967
You're on hiatus for a bit.
926
00:56:59,105 --> 00:57:01,314
We're not opening, you know,
the doors to our place,
927
00:57:01,452 --> 00:57:03,109
you know, we don't have
an outdoor space.
928
00:57:03,247 --> 00:57:05,698
But I actually have something
really exciting to share.
929
00:57:05,836 --> 00:57:10,703
We're looking at an outdoor
venue to do a pop-up.
Come on and follow me.
930
00:57:10,841 --> 00:57:16,709
Once they're in here, there'll
be someone here to give them
their amuse and their cocktails.
931
00:57:16,847 --> 00:57:20,160
Remind them not to mingle
with other people.
932
00:57:23,267 --> 00:57:24,751
So that's our dining room.
933
00:57:24,889 --> 00:57:27,340
You guys follow me, this is
where we're going to meet.
934
00:57:28,962 --> 00:57:31,206
I do want to be more grown-up
than Porridge & Puffs.
935
00:57:31,344 --> 00:57:33,657
I do want it to be
a tiny little bit more formal.
936
00:57:33,795 --> 00:57:35,003
But we have to be warm.
937
00:57:35,141 --> 00:57:37,315
Never, ever, ever be aloof.
938
00:57:37,454 --> 00:57:41,872
I love fine dining,
but my biggest complaint is,
it's always so sterile.
939
00:57:42,010 --> 00:57:47,015
We can be cerebral
and smart and warm
at the same time.
940
00:57:54,712 --> 00:57:57,474
Let me ask you
a practical question.
941
00:57:57,612 --> 00:57:58,889
Sure, yes.
942
00:57:59,027 --> 00:58:01,995
How do you
get more farms
943
00:58:02,133 --> 00:58:04,101
by Black people
in New York state?
944
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:05,999
Okay, easy question.
945
00:58:06,137 --> 00:58:08,381
I tell people,
give us three things.
946
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:11,073
Give us the opportunity to farm,
947
00:58:11,211 --> 00:58:13,662
give us the land to farm,
948
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,735
give us the capital
and resources to farm.
949
00:58:17,873 --> 00:58:23,051
Where I farm now,
the Chester Agricultural Center,
perfect example.
950
00:58:23,189 --> 00:58:26,710
My farm, Rise & Root Farm,
we have three acres of land.
951
00:58:26,848 --> 00:58:30,541
We grow food,
we have farm tours,
we have school groups.
952
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:34,200
People from the city
come up to see four women--
953
00:58:34,338 --> 00:58:39,826
two are women of color,
two are white, three of us
are LGBTQ women.
954
00:58:39,964 --> 00:58:44,175
And so we run the gamut
of what America looks like.
955
00:58:45,625 --> 00:58:48,801
I run a low-income
farmer's market in the Bronx.
956
00:58:48,939 --> 00:58:50,872
We're going into our 19th year.
957
00:58:51,010 --> 00:58:53,426
And it took a long time,
first of all,
958
00:58:53,564 --> 00:58:57,050
to build trust with the people
in my neighborhood,
959
00:58:57,188 --> 00:58:59,536
because in a low-income
neighborhood,
960
00:58:59,674 --> 00:59:03,850
there is the soup kitchens
and food pantries,
961
00:59:03,988 --> 00:59:08,061
the fast food,
the processed food,
the junk food.
962
00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:13,411
Then I had to educate that
I'm the farmer, I grew the food,
963
00:59:13,550 --> 00:59:17,450
and I have to pay bills,
and I have to feed my family,
964
00:59:17,588 --> 00:59:19,176
and I have to buy the seeds.
965
00:59:19,314 --> 00:59:21,903
And so there's a cost
and value of food.
966
00:59:22,041 --> 00:59:24,491
Because no one talks
to them about that.
967
00:59:28,772 --> 00:59:31,775
I mean, the costs
are going to be huge
968
00:59:31,913 --> 00:59:34,674
if we plant the product
and the restaurants
aren't ramped up.
969
00:59:34,812 --> 00:59:37,884
It's a matter of trying
to time... you know?
970
00:59:38,022 --> 00:59:39,852
Well, we're going to plant
as if they are open,
971
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:42,648
and if they're not open, we're
going to take it on the chin.
972
00:59:42,786 --> 00:59:46,444
Last time we spoke, you were
waiting to hear whether or not
973
00:59:46,583 --> 00:59:52,243
you were going to get
back into the Farmer
to Families Program.
974
00:59:52,381 --> 00:59:53,866
- Mm-hm.
- Did you?
975
00:59:54,004 --> 00:59:55,764
- No.
- You're kidding.
976
00:59:55,902 --> 00:59:57,973
No.
977
00:59:58,111 --> 01:00:03,427
USDA came in and said, "the only
box offer that we'll take is
a combination box."
978
01:00:03,565 --> 01:00:08,915
Sysco got 32 states.
Yeah, all the small guys
got shut out.
979
01:00:16,992 --> 01:00:20,789
The fresh produce that they're
getting in the boxes that I saw
980
01:00:20,927 --> 01:00:23,896
were a bag of apples
and a bag of potatoes.
981
01:00:24,034 --> 01:00:27,900
They were getting fresh,
leafy greens from us.
So we're out.
982
01:00:28,038 --> 01:00:30,868
But this is supposed to be
bailing farmers out.
983
01:00:31,006 --> 01:00:33,871
I mean, it's not supposed
to be bailing Sysco out.
984
01:00:34,009 --> 01:00:37,944
- Right.
- Things are driving me crazy,
I'm taking them off.
985
01:00:38,082 --> 01:00:41,361
You know, we were really
counting on that contract,
986
01:00:41,499 --> 01:00:44,779
to do what
the program really intended.
987
01:00:44,917 --> 01:00:48,058
Farm to Families
Food Box Program.
988
01:00:48,196 --> 01:00:51,475
Help the farm,
help those families...
989
01:00:51,613 --> 01:00:53,166
and then they changed it.
990
01:00:53,304 --> 01:00:55,513
In this last round
of food boxes,
991
01:00:55,652 --> 01:01:00,587
if you do not include
the letter from Donald Trump
992
01:01:00,726 --> 01:01:03,521
and the White House in the box,
you don't get paid.
993
01:01:03,660 --> 01:01:07,491
- No.
- The letter has to be
included in the box.
994
01:01:07,629 --> 01:01:09,493
It's a disaster.
995
01:01:11,495 --> 01:01:14,394
We were counting on that,
so we planted up for that.
996
01:01:14,532 --> 01:01:17,535
We have to make a decision
as to how much to leave
in the field.
997
01:01:17,674 --> 01:01:22,782
We cannot spend the dollars,
because we don't have them
right now, to harvest that
998
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,716
and store it
and then throw it away.
999
01:01:25,854 --> 01:01:31,135
We have several million people
in New York City alone
that are going to bed hungry.
1000
01:01:31,273 --> 01:01:37,210
And here we are just a handful
of hours down the road,
with the product in the field.
1001
01:01:43,872 --> 01:01:46,254
120 families here
1002
01:01:46,392 --> 01:01:50,672
that we don't know how we can
keep on the payroll.
1003
01:01:50,810 --> 01:01:57,714
We're not smart enough
as a society to work together
to connect those dots.
1004
01:02:07,413 --> 01:02:09,484
I don't know what to say.
1005
01:02:09,622 --> 01:02:12,590
We're trying every way
we know how, Ruth.
1006
01:02:15,455 --> 01:02:16,767
The chefs are in trouble.
1007
01:02:16,905 --> 01:02:20,944
It's a ripple-down effect,
and it's a struggle.
1008
01:02:24,292 --> 01:02:26,328
You can't do it all.
1009
01:02:26,466 --> 01:02:27,951
You can't.
1010
01:02:28,089 --> 01:02:30,988
Uh... this is,
this is a societal problem.
1011
01:02:31,126 --> 01:02:34,026
You know, this is,
this is all of our failure.
1012
01:02:34,164 --> 01:02:35,475
All of us.
1013
01:03:15,481 --> 01:03:18,553
When we were in our twenties
and we all moved to California,
1014
01:03:18,691 --> 01:03:22,005
you know, the idea was,
we would follow our passions.
1015
01:03:22,143 --> 01:03:24,317
You know,
you only go through life once.
1016
01:03:24,455 --> 01:03:28,666
We weren't going to be beholden
to corporate America.
1017
01:03:28,805 --> 01:03:32,360
Um, you could live really
on nothing in those days.
1018
01:03:32,498 --> 01:03:35,846
We all bought that house
together, that group of us.
1019
01:03:35,984 --> 01:03:40,609
I mean, Doug and my share
of the rent was $45 a month.
1020
01:03:40,747 --> 01:03:43,026
We raised half our own food,
1021
01:03:43,164 --> 01:03:44,648
and, you know, there were
1022
01:03:44,786 --> 01:03:48,859
15 people for dinner every night
and we split the cost.
1023
01:03:48,997 --> 01:03:51,172
- Yeah.
- It was really cheap.
1024
01:03:51,310 --> 01:03:54,554
And I don't think
you can do that anymore.
1025
01:03:56,729 --> 01:03:58,075
We're so spoiled.
1026
01:03:58,213 --> 01:04:01,182
We're used to everything,
all the time.
1027
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,805
That's the thing
that's missing, is--
1028
01:04:03,943 --> 01:04:07,498
Oh, God, I didn't leave
the beans on the fire, did I?
1029
01:04:08,879 --> 01:04:11,502
Did you?
1030
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,298
Yes...
1031
01:04:53,613 --> 01:04:57,341
Can I ask
a really stupid question?
Are you a good cook?
1032
01:04:57,479 --> 01:05:00,586
Yeah, I am a good cook.
1033
01:05:00,724 --> 01:05:05,453
I'm not a great cook,
I'm not a trained, you know,
I'm not a "chef."
1034
01:05:05,591 --> 01:05:09,457
But I have, I started--
So like, the cover
of my first book,
1035
01:05:09,595 --> 01:05:12,460
Tender at the Bone,
is a picture of me
cooking at 7.
1036
01:05:12,598 --> 01:05:14,876
I've always loved to cook.
1037
01:05:15,014 --> 01:05:15,981
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1038
01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:18,500
It's what I do, you know,
1039
01:05:18,638 --> 01:05:21,987
when I am sad, or in trouble.
1040
01:05:22,125 --> 01:05:23,954
- I go into the kitchen.
- Yeah, yeah.
1041
01:05:24,092 --> 01:05:26,577
It's my best place.
1042
01:05:28,717 --> 01:05:33,481
I feel like I've sort of
spent my whole life working
up to this project.
1043
01:05:33,619 --> 01:05:35,966
- Really?
- Yeah, yeah.
1044
01:05:36,104 --> 01:05:39,107
It also makes me feel like
a terrible failure,
1045
01:05:39,245 --> 01:05:43,008
that we didn't fix this.
1046
01:05:43,146 --> 01:05:45,493
We were talking
about the concentration
1047
01:05:45,631 --> 01:05:49,255
in the food industry
in the early '70s.
1048
01:05:49,393 --> 01:05:52,949
And we just
let it happen, you know?
1049
01:05:53,087 --> 01:05:55,192
This wave came over us,
1050
01:05:55,330 --> 01:06:00,611
and we got sidetracked
by "deliciousness," you know.
1051
01:06:00,749 --> 01:06:05,582
You know, a whole group
of us who started out
with the politics of food,
1052
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,309
and then became cooks,
and opened restaurants,
1053
01:06:08,447 --> 01:06:14,625
and let this really
egregious thing take hold.
1054
01:06:14,763 --> 01:06:16,627
And we should have been
fighting it.
1055
01:06:16,765 --> 01:06:19,389
We should have been
fighting it tooth and nail,
1056
01:06:19,527 --> 01:06:22,564
the moment we saw it coming
over the horizon.
1057
01:06:22,702 --> 01:06:26,327
And we just let it happen.
1058
01:06:26,465 --> 01:06:32,022
And I feel, you know,
culpable and devastated by that.
1059
01:07:03,088 --> 01:07:05,262
What is the weather
supposed to be Sunday?
1060
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,161
- I mean, Saturday--
- Just cold.
1061
01:07:07,299 --> 01:07:11,751
Just cold, but, I mean,
hopefully it won't be iced over.
1062
01:07:21,106 --> 01:07:23,625
What do you guys do
this time of year?
1063
01:07:23,763 --> 01:07:25,455
Well,
we've been hauling bales.
1064
01:07:25,593 --> 01:07:28,044
So there's a lot of
cattle feeders around here.
1065
01:07:28,182 --> 01:07:30,080
They'll use it
for bedding for cattle.
1066
01:07:30,218 --> 01:07:32,393
So the guys have been
busy with that.
1067
01:07:32,531 --> 01:07:34,015
I did some hauling yesterday,
1068
01:07:34,153 --> 01:07:37,570
and then just kind of
getting ready for taxes,
1069
01:07:37,708 --> 01:07:40,608
because I'm so behind.
1070
01:07:40,746 --> 01:07:45,268
And then, all the seed people,
the chemical people,
they come knocking at your door.
1071
01:07:45,406 --> 01:07:50,376
To get the biggest discounts,
you have to buy the inputs
in October, November, December,
1072
01:07:50,514 --> 01:07:53,759
and we won't be using them
until April or later.
1073
01:07:53,897 --> 01:07:58,419
But you have to put that money
out up front so you can get
that big discount.
1074
01:07:58,557 --> 01:08:00,110
That seems so unfair.
1075
01:08:00,248 --> 01:08:01,594
Yeah.
1076
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,293
How are things going
with your husband?
1077
01:08:10,431 --> 01:08:15,298
Well, working
with Kerry's been challenging,
1078
01:08:15,436 --> 01:08:17,300
but also rewarding.
1079
01:08:17,438 --> 01:08:19,681
I mean, when we do disagree,
1080
01:08:19,819 --> 01:08:22,650
we, uh, disagree respectfully
most of the time
1081
01:08:22,788 --> 01:08:27,103
and try to keep it,
you know, it's about the farm.
1082
01:08:27,241 --> 01:08:29,174
It's not personal between us.
1083
01:08:29,312 --> 01:08:30,761
And it's about a practice.
1084
01:08:30,899 --> 01:08:32,591
But it is getting better.
1085
01:08:32,729 --> 01:08:35,145
And it does help that
the boys are older now
1086
01:08:35,283 --> 01:08:37,285
and they're in the conversation.
1087
01:08:40,046 --> 01:08:44,327
My husband has been
in the hospital, so I've been...
1088
01:08:44,465 --> 01:08:45,983
- What happened?
- Um...
1089
01:08:46,122 --> 01:08:49,055
He got very dehydrated
and then his kidneys failed.
1090
01:08:49,194 --> 01:08:53,405
- Oh, no. Is that...
- He's home.
1091
01:08:53,543 --> 01:08:58,479
He came home yesterday,
but I'm not...
1092
01:08:58,617 --> 01:09:01,551
uh, totally on top of things
right now.
1093
01:09:01,689 --> 01:09:04,140
Is that going to be something
long-term that affects--
1094
01:09:04,278 --> 01:09:05,451
No, but it was really bad.
1095
01:09:05,589 --> 01:09:07,384
I mean, we didn't realize
how sick he was
1096
01:09:07,522 --> 01:09:11,008
until, you know,
it was really bad.
1097
01:09:11,147 --> 01:09:13,459
Were you able to go
in the hospital with him?
1098
01:09:13,597 --> 01:09:16,359
- No.
- Yeah, wow.
1099
01:09:16,497 --> 01:09:18,499
And, I mean,
I want to tell you, you know,
1100
01:09:18,637 --> 01:09:21,881
it's given me a whole
new perspective
1101
01:09:22,019 --> 01:09:26,196
on when they talk about
these COVID patients
dying alone.
1102
01:09:26,334 --> 01:09:28,060
- Yeah.
- ...the hospital
for almost a week.
1103
01:09:28,198 --> 01:09:31,995
They are so stressed,
they are so overworked.
1104
01:09:32,133 --> 01:09:34,825
I never once talked
to a doctor.
1105
01:09:34,963 --> 01:09:36,793
- I mean...
- Wow.
1106
01:09:36,931 --> 01:09:38,933
And the nurses were
really lovely, but, you know,
1107
01:09:39,071 --> 01:09:41,729
they would call me when they
could to give me information.
1108
01:09:41,867 --> 01:09:46,734
And Michael
was terrified, alone.
1109
01:09:46,872 --> 01:09:49,564
Uh... It was horrible.
1110
01:09:49,702 --> 01:09:51,428
Really horrible.
1111
01:09:51,566 --> 01:09:56,571
You do not want to get sick
in the middle of a COVID crisis.
1112
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:57,917
Yeah, yeah.
1113
01:10:03,578 --> 01:10:06,616
So, are most of
your people still with you,
1114
01:10:06,754 --> 01:10:09,032
or have you had
to furlough a lot of people?
1115
01:10:09,170 --> 01:10:11,759
We went from 167 to,
1116
01:10:11,897 --> 01:10:15,003
we're right about 95 right now.
1117
01:10:16,695 --> 01:10:19,525
I really hold myself
hugely responsible
1118
01:10:19,663 --> 01:10:22,390
for the financial mess
that we're in,
1119
01:10:22,528 --> 01:10:27,223
because I didn't create enough
of a diverse business,
1120
01:10:27,361 --> 01:10:32,987
not focused on just one
revenue stream of restaurants.
1121
01:10:33,125 --> 01:10:36,577
Just...
I got blindsided by it.
1122
01:10:38,372 --> 01:10:41,029
Coronavirus,
it's a horrible thing.
1123
01:10:41,167 --> 01:10:43,618
You know, through this,
you have to maintain hope.
1124
01:10:43,756 --> 01:10:45,793
And we're going to find
new ways to do business.
1125
01:10:45,931 --> 01:10:49,486
It's going to be the new normal,
and we have to figure out
what that is.
1126
01:10:57,494 --> 01:10:59,013
How are you?
1127
01:10:59,151 --> 01:11:01,326
I'm pretty good,
how are you?
1128
01:11:01,464 --> 01:11:03,707
I'm good, I think.
It's a little bit nasty here.
1129
01:11:03,845 --> 01:11:08,505
We got a bunch of ice and snow,
wet last night, so...
1130
01:11:08,643 --> 01:11:12,302
How much COVID
is there around you?
Still really low?
1131
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:17,100
Oh, you know, we'd be low
as far as, just because
the population's so low.
1132
01:11:17,238 --> 01:11:19,102
But honestly I think
our percentages here
1133
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,450
are probably higher
than yours where you live.
1134
01:11:22,588 --> 01:11:26,074
Probably because everybody
here just bored on
with total disregard.
1135
01:11:27,455 --> 01:11:32,840
So, are you seeing
any effect of the election
on your business?
1136
01:11:35,981 --> 01:11:37,603
Uh...
1137
01:11:38,984 --> 01:11:40,537
I would probably say no.
1138
01:11:40,675 --> 01:11:43,057
I mean, the,
the effect it's having is,
1139
01:11:43,195 --> 01:11:49,926
is most cattle people
are very conservative
and very to the right.
1140
01:11:50,064 --> 01:11:54,171
So, they're in a poor mood
about it.
1141
01:11:57,899 --> 01:12:02,594
I think the Democrats have a big
burden in rural America.
1142
01:12:02,732 --> 01:12:05,666
Well, and I'm going
to say this quite honestly,
1143
01:12:05,804 --> 01:12:10,843
ag does not necessarily flourish
under Republican administration.
1144
01:12:10,981 --> 01:12:14,675
Our lifestyle
and beliefs out here
1145
01:12:14,813 --> 01:12:18,851
is what makes everybody to be
so conservative, and regulation.
1146
01:12:18,989 --> 01:12:23,511
But quite honestly,
ag probably is better off under
Democratic administrations,
1147
01:12:23,649 --> 01:12:25,996
if you look back over history.
1148
01:12:28,620 --> 01:12:31,036
One of the things
that you bring up
1149
01:12:31,174 --> 01:12:35,040
is this rural/urban divide...
1150
01:12:35,178 --> 01:12:36,662
- Yep.
- ...and your fear
1151
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:41,943
that rural America is basically
going to be pushed off the map.
1152
01:12:42,081 --> 01:12:47,639
These little towns,
you know, the town I live by,
6,500 people, it's all ag.
1153
01:12:47,777 --> 01:12:51,125
You know, those 50-
to 100-head cowherd guys,
1154
01:12:51,263 --> 01:12:53,230
they get their stuff
repaired in town,
1155
01:12:53,369 --> 01:12:56,889
and they buy their pickups
in town, and they eat
in town, and...
1156
01:12:57,027 --> 01:12:59,444
I mean, they support
all the local businesses.
1157
01:12:59,582 --> 01:13:02,757
You get to where you have
800 to 1,000 cows,
1158
01:13:02,895 --> 01:13:05,933
you don't have to buy your
mineral from the local mill,
1159
01:13:06,071 --> 01:13:09,108
you can order it by a semi-load
from somewhere like Kansas City.
1160
01:13:09,246 --> 01:13:10,903
You can get
your medicine direct,
1161
01:13:11,041 --> 01:13:13,250
and you don't have to go
through a local retailer.
1162
01:13:13,389 --> 01:13:15,632
I mean, these towns are about
to dry up and blow away anyway,
1163
01:13:15,770 --> 01:13:18,773
with just the migration
that ag has already took.
1164
01:13:18,911 --> 01:13:23,468
The kids out here,
about all get an excellent
secondary education.
1165
01:13:23,606 --> 01:13:26,056
And then they have
the work ethic and the morals
1166
01:13:26,194 --> 01:13:28,162
that the companies
in the cities want.
1167
01:13:28,300 --> 01:13:32,408
And so, they pay them way more
than what they could
stay here and make.
1168
01:13:32,546 --> 01:13:37,240
It's just a steady flow
of pushing everybody
into city.
1169
01:13:37,378 --> 01:13:40,105
You said you thought
that next year,
1170
01:13:40,243 --> 01:13:43,833
10% of the cow/calf people
around you would be
out of business.
1171
01:13:43,971 --> 01:13:45,869
Do you still think that?
1172
01:13:46,007 --> 01:13:48,354
Yeah.
1173
01:13:49,770 --> 01:13:52,324
You know, there's a day
of reckoning coming.
1174
01:14:05,820 --> 01:14:09,375
Bluffton peaked
in population in 1900.
1175
01:14:09,514 --> 01:14:13,794
When I was growing up
in the '60s,
Bluffton was still a town.
1176
01:14:13,932 --> 01:14:16,210
You know, it still
had stores, and...
1177
01:14:16,348 --> 01:14:18,626
but under the industrial
commodity scenario,
1178
01:14:18,764 --> 01:14:20,456
it atrophied and atrophied.
1179
01:14:20,594 --> 01:14:24,149
When it hit its bottom,
which was probably
10 or 15 years ago,
1180
01:14:24,287 --> 01:14:28,187
the town became
economically irrelevant.
1181
01:14:28,325 --> 01:14:33,365
But when we hired
100 and something young,
1182
01:14:33,503 --> 01:14:39,026
educated, passionate people here
and paid them well,
1183
01:14:39,164 --> 01:14:40,993
they needed a place
1184
01:14:41,131 --> 01:14:44,549
to eat and sleep
and shop and play.
1185
01:14:44,687 --> 01:14:46,067
And so we built it.
1186
01:14:46,205 --> 01:14:49,381
Now we've got 176 employees.
1187
01:14:49,519 --> 01:14:52,384
We're the largest
private employer in the county.
1188
01:14:52,522 --> 01:14:56,975
Our average employee makes
way above the county average,
1189
01:14:57,113 --> 01:15:01,393
in one of the poorest counties,
in one of the poorest states
in the nation.
1190
01:15:01,531 --> 01:15:05,431
And what resulted
is a really nice community.
1191
01:15:05,570 --> 01:15:09,401
You know, it's still tiny,
but it's gone from ghost town,
1192
01:15:09,539 --> 01:15:14,371
literally, to destination,
in a decade.
1193
01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:16,926
So, I'm very proud of that.
1194
01:15:17,064 --> 01:15:21,931
So I hear you've been
doing something with a solar
power company now, too?
1195
01:15:22,069 --> 01:15:26,763
Some friends of mine owned
a very large farm, near my farm,
1196
01:15:26,901 --> 01:15:31,250
and they sold it
to a renewable energy company.
1197
01:15:31,388 --> 01:15:33,011
I was not very happy about that,
1198
01:15:33,149 --> 01:15:35,703
because they take
really good farmland,
1199
01:15:35,841 --> 01:15:39,673
and they use Roundup,
and erosion is horrible.
1200
01:15:39,811 --> 01:15:42,399
It becomes a moonscape.
1201
01:15:42,538 --> 01:15:49,268
We populated that solar field
with about 2,000 sheep
for vegetative control.
1202
01:15:49,406 --> 01:15:54,273
And later on we added
a few thousand chickens,
a few hundred ducks.
1203
01:15:54,411 --> 01:15:56,068
Yeah.
1204
01:15:56,206 --> 01:15:59,900
It has been a wonderful success.
1205
01:16:00,038 --> 01:16:01,971
Everybody wins.
1206
01:16:02,109 --> 01:16:04,939
They actually pay us
the same amount of money
1207
01:16:05,077 --> 01:16:09,288
they would pay a company
to spray and mow and trim,
1208
01:16:09,426 --> 01:16:14,604
and we're building
organic matter in their soil,
and preventing erosion.
1209
01:16:14,742 --> 01:16:20,990
It's created new jobs
and produces some really good
lamb for our customers to eat.
1210
01:16:21,128 --> 01:16:22,647
I mean, everybody wins.
1211
01:16:22,785 --> 01:16:27,755
This was farmed-to-death
row crop land.
1212
01:16:27,893 --> 01:16:29,999
Now, perennials are coming.
1213
01:16:30,137 --> 01:16:31,932
So that is Bermuda grass,
1214
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:34,969
which is a great warm-season
perennial grass.
1215
01:16:35,107 --> 01:16:38,594
That's evidence that life's
coming back to the land.
1216
01:16:44,461 --> 01:16:46,118
Hi, Zuzu.
1217
01:16:46,256 --> 01:16:48,362
You want to say hi
to Auntie Ruth?
1218
01:16:48,500 --> 01:16:51,089
- Hi.
- Bye-bye, Auntie Ruth.
1219
01:16:53,091 --> 01:16:55,887
Bye-bye.
1220
01:16:56,025 --> 01:16:58,717
Our landlords
won't give us any relief.
1221
01:16:58,855 --> 01:17:02,341
They won't work with us,
they haven't negotiated with us.
1222
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,310
I mean, one option is to stay.
1223
01:17:05,448 --> 01:17:08,382
Second option is
to break the lease early.
1224
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:13,698
And then the third option is
to fold both of our locations
together, in the Mission.
1225
01:17:13,836 --> 01:17:16,424
Have you discussed this
with your staff?
1226
01:17:16,562 --> 01:17:20,221
- We're doing it today, actually,
having the big meeting, yeah.
- Really?
1227
01:17:23,949 --> 01:17:25,813
It's a good sort
of stepping stone,
1228
01:17:25,951 --> 01:17:28,713
before worker ownership
even comes into play,
1229
01:17:28,851 --> 01:17:31,888
as I figure out how to,
like, involve the collective
1230
01:17:32,026 --> 01:17:37,238
in whatever decisions
that I'm making as an owner,
about this transition.
1231
01:17:37,376 --> 01:17:40,656
If we decided to go
work at the Mission temporarily,
1232
01:17:40,794 --> 01:17:42,761
we would have to go
roll in at like three,
1233
01:17:42,899 --> 01:17:46,972
four in the morning before,
before y'all open up.
1234
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,778
I'm going to go
to the landlords
and tell them,
1235
01:17:59,916 --> 01:18:03,023
"You're going to give us relief,
or we walk away."
1236
01:18:03,161 --> 01:18:06,543
If they say, "You know what,
we'll give you relief,"
1237
01:18:06,682 --> 01:18:09,132
then I'll bring it back here
and we consider it.
1238
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:14,413
If they say no, which I think
they are, unfortunately,
we move.
1239
01:18:27,703 --> 01:18:29,601
We know that that's going
to be our goal,
1240
01:18:29,739 --> 01:18:32,742
is to make sure that
our workers stay in Oakland.
1241
01:18:37,022 --> 01:18:39,128
I haven't cut my teeth
in the industry
1242
01:18:39,266 --> 01:18:43,235
as much as some of the people
that work for me, you know?
1243
01:18:43,373 --> 01:18:45,203
So there's a lot of wisdom
and skill there.
1244
01:18:45,341 --> 01:18:47,999
Hot pita, hot pita!
1245
01:18:50,035 --> 01:18:52,797
Luis is, like,
from a third generation
1246
01:18:52,935 --> 01:18:54,730
of bakers from the Yucatán.
1247
01:18:54,868 --> 01:18:56,973
It's, like, in his blood.
1248
01:18:57,111 --> 01:19:00,114
Like, I learn
so much from him every day.
I mean, I learn from them.
1249
01:19:01,909 --> 01:19:04,498
Luis is like, it's about
our change of mentality.
1250
01:19:04,636 --> 01:19:07,397
We have to think like
employees and like bosses.
1251
01:19:20,997 --> 01:19:24,483
I'm really OCD,
you guys.
1252
01:19:24,621 --> 01:19:26,520
This makes me so batty.
1253
01:19:26,658 --> 01:19:31,007
So, you've opened
your new place.
How is it?
1254
01:19:31,145 --> 01:19:33,147
It's great and it's horrible.
1255
01:19:33,285 --> 01:19:34,942
I think...
1256
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,187
uh, I'm just going to say it.
1257
01:19:38,325 --> 01:19:40,914
The food is like an A-minus.
1258
01:19:41,052 --> 01:19:44,745
The service is a C-minus,
maybe a D.
1259
01:19:44,883 --> 01:19:46,609
Ooh.
1260
01:19:46,747 --> 01:19:50,958
I think I'm at 20%
of where I want to be.
1261
01:19:51,096 --> 01:19:53,858
So, there's a lot of room
for improvement.
1262
01:19:53,996 --> 01:19:56,377
And I think I broke my
back-of-house team.
1263
01:19:56,515 --> 01:19:59,449
We were there until 2:30 a.m.
1264
01:19:59,587 --> 01:20:04,316
I don't lose my shit, usually,
and I lost my shit.
1265
01:20:04,454 --> 01:20:06,871
- They were mad.
- That sounds brutal.
1266
01:20:07,009 --> 01:20:10,012
- And I just, like...
- And God knows there are a lot
1267
01:20:10,150 --> 01:20:14,948
of out-of-work front-of-house
people at the moment.
1268
01:20:15,086 --> 01:20:19,573
But none of them want to work.
I literally called 100 people.
1269
01:20:19,711 --> 01:20:21,402
They don't want to work, Ruth.
1270
01:20:21,540 --> 01:20:23,888
And especially the way
that I want to set up,
1271
01:20:24,026 --> 01:20:26,338
where I want to take, I want
to pay the front of the house
1272
01:20:26,476 --> 01:20:28,375
and back of house equally,
you know.
1273
01:20:28,513 --> 01:20:31,412
I set a price, I said everyone
across the board in service,
1274
01:20:31,550 --> 01:20:33,898
no matter if you're the porter
or the dishwasher,
1275
01:20:34,036 --> 01:20:36,417
you get $20 an hour,
because it's so fucking hard.
1276
01:20:36,555 --> 01:20:39,696
But servers will not work
for $20 to $25 an hour.
1277
01:20:39,835 --> 01:20:43,079
Whereas my
back-of-the-house team
will break their backs
1278
01:20:43,217 --> 01:20:45,737
and don't think they're doing
enough for that amount.
1279
01:20:45,875 --> 01:20:49,810
- Right.
- I think there's
financial literacy
1280
01:20:49,948 --> 01:20:52,537
that needs to happen
in our industry.
1281
01:20:52,675 --> 01:20:57,922
And that financial literacy
needs to be taught to everyone
1282
01:20:58,060 --> 01:21:00,959
who's working,
as well as to diners.
1283
01:21:04,445 --> 01:21:06,792
Well, more senators
are calling for a hearing
1284
01:21:06,931 --> 01:21:10,313
to review legislative proposals
to improve the meat-packing
industry.
1285
01:21:10,451 --> 01:21:13,282
In his weekly call
with reporters just yesterday,
1286
01:21:13,420 --> 01:21:16,457
Senator Chuck Grassley
called for a hearing as well.
1287
01:21:16,595 --> 01:21:18,735
I call this hearing
1288
01:21:18,874 --> 01:21:24,327
of the US Senate Committee
on Agriculture, Nutrition,
and Forestry to order.
1289
01:21:24,465 --> 01:21:28,642
We're going to focus
specifically
on our cattle markets today.
1290
01:21:28,780 --> 01:21:31,817
You know,
COVID really showed
how fragile our food system is.
1291
01:21:31,956 --> 01:21:36,892
Consumers were paying higher
prices for meat, while ranchers
were paid less for their cattle.
1292
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:41,241
But the big, consolidated
companies really made
record profits.
1293
01:21:41,379 --> 01:21:44,071
- I've been
watching the hearings.
- Uh-huh.
1294
01:21:44,209 --> 01:21:49,042
So, how did we actually get
to the point that there are
these hearings?
1295
01:21:49,180 --> 01:21:51,251
Well, I don't want
to take a lot--
1296
01:21:51,389 --> 01:21:52,666
I mean, I...
1297
01:21:52,804 --> 01:21:56,428
Me and three or four or five
others being relentless,
1298
01:21:56,566 --> 01:21:59,155
I think,
finally got enough people
starting to pay attention.
1299
01:21:59,293 --> 01:22:05,748
I mean, I have flown and met
with countless senators
and legislators.
1300
01:22:05,886 --> 01:22:07,819
We've drove people nuts, man.
1301
01:22:07,957 --> 01:22:10,201
Good for you.
1302
01:22:10,339 --> 01:22:12,513
I'm getting hundreds of calls
1303
01:22:12,651 --> 01:22:15,378
from beef cattle producers
that are saying,
1304
01:22:15,516 --> 01:22:18,416
"Cindy, what is wrong
with this market?"
1305
01:22:18,554 --> 01:22:21,488
Ultimately,
aren't these people putting
themselves out of business?
1306
01:22:21,626 --> 01:22:23,835
I mean, if nobody's
going to raise cattle anymore,
1307
01:22:23,973 --> 01:22:27,528
the packers are ultimately
out of business too.
1308
01:22:27,666 --> 01:22:31,015
But they're going towards
total vertical integration.
1309
01:22:31,153 --> 01:22:35,467
They know that the biggest,
most efficient, elite producers
1310
01:22:35,605 --> 01:22:37,849
will get bigger
as the smaller ones go out.
1311
01:22:37,987 --> 01:22:44,614
And when you get to where
there's five producers where
there was 100, they will unify.
1312
01:22:44,752 --> 01:22:47,652
And they will charge
what beef's worth,
1313
01:22:47,790 --> 01:22:52,691
and then the American consumer
will be paying a lot more
for food.
1314
01:22:52,829 --> 01:22:55,556
We have to address this issue
of lack of competition
1315
01:22:55,694 --> 01:22:58,180
and the fact
that there is an oligopoly
1316
01:22:58,318 --> 01:23:01,666
and that price setting and
market power's being misused
1317
01:23:01,804 --> 01:23:04,186
in a way that disadvantages
the very people
1318
01:23:04,324 --> 01:23:07,775
that are out there trying
to make a living on the land.
1319
01:23:07,913 --> 01:23:11,503
If those senators
and representatives are smart,
1320
01:23:11,641 --> 01:23:15,162
you don't want this country's
food supply in limited hands.
1321
01:23:27,381 --> 01:23:30,074
Have you gotten
the first vaccination yet?
1322
01:23:30,212 --> 01:23:32,179
Yes.
1323
01:23:32,317 --> 01:23:34,078
I got it last week.
1324
01:23:34,216 --> 01:23:38,358
Didn't you feel like...
a kind of lightness from that?
1325
01:23:38,496 --> 01:23:42,051
Well, it was very strange,
actually, Ruth,
1326
01:23:42,189 --> 01:23:46,607
because I got
enormously depressed.
1327
01:23:46,745 --> 01:23:49,265
I woke up in the morning
the next morning,
1328
01:23:49,403 --> 01:23:52,234
and I, I just said,
1329
01:23:52,372 --> 01:23:57,687
"We're never going
to address climate change,
and I might as well just...
1330
01:23:57,825 --> 01:24:00,897
give up," and started crying,
1331
01:24:01,036 --> 01:24:04,418
and I was crying
off and on all day.
1332
01:24:04,556 --> 01:24:06,903
It frightened me.
1333
01:24:07,042 --> 01:24:11,425
I mean, this COVID time
has been an interesting time
for a lot of people,
1334
01:24:11,563 --> 01:24:17,293
'cause a lot of people have,
like, have never had time
to think before.
1335
01:24:17,431 --> 01:24:20,883
And, you know, I go
for a walk every morning,
1336
01:24:21,021 --> 01:24:25,612
but I have never looked deeply
1337
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:29,512
and stopped along the way,
the way I do now.
1338
01:24:29,650 --> 01:24:33,965
That I am seeing, you know,
1339
01:24:34,103 --> 01:24:37,279
almost the plants grow
from day to day...
1340
01:24:37,417 --> 01:24:42,525
...the blossoms
on the fruit trees already.
1341
01:24:42,663 --> 01:24:45,459
And I, it's...
1342
01:24:45,597 --> 01:24:49,222
the closer look that I'm having.
1343
01:25:07,930 --> 01:25:09,621
You know, I love spring.
1344
01:25:09,759 --> 01:25:12,728
It's one of the advantages
of farming for a living.
1345
01:25:12,866 --> 01:25:14,764
You get a do-over every year.
1346
01:25:16,766 --> 01:25:22,393
There are opportunities
that have been created
due to COVID.
1347
01:25:22,531 --> 01:25:26,638
Pre-COVID, we grew
a wide variety of vegetables
1348
01:25:26,776 --> 01:25:29,848
and we sold them directly
to restaurants.
1349
01:25:29,986 --> 01:25:32,472
Now, we grow a wide variety
of vegetables,
1350
01:25:32,610 --> 01:25:36,752
we sell them to restaurants,
to home consumers,
1351
01:25:36,890 --> 01:25:40,169
to institutions and hospitals
1352
01:25:40,307 --> 01:25:46,141
that are now starting to
understand the whole concept
of food as medicine.
1353
01:25:49,765 --> 01:25:53,182
In 1983, I came home from
Ohio State my freshman year.
1354
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,012
That house was the house
that was sold,
1355
01:25:56,151 --> 01:25:59,671
and Dad's farm
was at that barn,
and it was full of equipment,
1356
01:25:59,809 --> 01:26:01,673
and it took two days
to sell it all.
1357
01:26:01,811 --> 01:26:03,019
We bought that back.
1358
01:26:03,158 --> 01:26:06,368
And my son is moving in there,
and his wife.
1359
01:26:06,506 --> 01:26:08,646
And it's kind of a full circle.
1360
01:26:08,784 --> 01:26:12,546
He is just coming back into
the business, as is my daughter.
1361
01:26:12,684 --> 01:26:14,755
Lee's son works in the business.
1362
01:26:14,893 --> 01:26:18,518
So we're very excited
to be having the next generation
1363
01:26:18,656 --> 01:26:20,520
come back into the business.
1364
01:26:24,696 --> 01:26:27,458
- I can tell you
some good news, if you want.
- Yeah.
1365
01:26:27,596 --> 01:26:31,738
So we just found out
yesterday that Knuth Farms
is certified organic now.
1366
01:26:31,876 --> 01:26:33,705
- Oh, fantastic!
- Yeah, so...
1367
01:26:33,843 --> 01:26:36,501
Congratulations,
that's amazing.
1368
01:26:36,639 --> 01:26:41,817
So, what does it actually mean
for your farm that you've now
been certified organic?
1369
01:26:41,955 --> 01:26:44,233
Right now,
it is the dollar sign.
1370
01:26:44,371 --> 01:26:45,579
Instead of $3.30 corn,
1371
01:26:45,717 --> 01:26:48,651
we're hoping to get $6
to $7 a bushel.
1372
01:26:48,789 --> 01:26:54,174
So take that times
30,000 bushels,
and that's a lot of money.
1373
01:26:58,730 --> 01:27:02,734
I like the direction
with the organic
and regenerative movement,
1374
01:27:02,872 --> 01:27:05,565
where it's coming
around back to soil health.
1375
01:27:05,703 --> 01:27:09,085
I think that's really rewarding.
1376
01:27:09,224 --> 01:27:12,882
The boys are interested
in seeing this unfold,
1377
01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:14,712
because they're saying things
and I'm going,
1378
01:27:14,850 --> 01:27:16,817
"Ooh, you wouldn't have said
that about a year ago."
1379
01:27:16,955 --> 01:27:19,924
It's nice when it's a family
business, most of the time.
1380
01:27:20,062 --> 01:27:23,652
And I think down the road,
they'll definitely want
to work together.
1381
01:27:23,790 --> 01:27:26,482
So, we think they're
pretty level-headed,
1382
01:27:26,620 --> 01:27:30,659
and, uh... and we value
their opinion right now.
1383
01:27:30,797 --> 01:27:34,214
I mean, because, we are
at that stage where
we're getting up there,
1384
01:27:34,352 --> 01:27:38,183
and they're the future,
so this is neat, because
we get to hand it off to them.
1385
01:27:38,322 --> 01:27:41,394
We have something
to hand off to them.
1386
01:27:46,295 --> 01:27:49,125
One of the problems
in American agriculture
1387
01:27:49,264 --> 01:27:52,370
is that the average age
of the American farmer is 64.
1388
01:27:52,508 --> 01:27:57,341
And we're losing young people
in this business
at a terrific rate.
1389
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:01,379
Being 65,
I can understand that.
1390
01:28:01,517 --> 01:28:06,315
There are plenty of young people
who would love to come back
to the farm.
1391
01:28:06,453 --> 01:28:11,355
Farming is a wonderful life,
lifestyle, livelihood.
1392
01:28:11,493 --> 01:28:13,426
All kind of good things
about it.
1393
01:28:13,564 --> 01:28:15,876
And I, I scold people
when they say,
1394
01:28:16,014 --> 01:28:19,708
"Oh, farming is a hard life."
No, it's not.
1395
01:28:19,846 --> 01:28:22,814
Have you ever seen a roofer?
Now, that's hard-ass work.
1396
01:28:22,952 --> 01:28:24,885
You see the guys
putting roofs on houses?
1397
01:28:25,023 --> 01:28:28,855
Don't tell me how hard
farmers work, when I see
a roofer working.
1398
01:28:28,993 --> 01:28:30,822
Well, welcome
to White Oak Pastures.
1399
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,308
My name is Jodi,
and I'm a member
1400
01:28:33,446 --> 01:28:35,344
of the fifth generation
on the farm.
1401
01:28:35,482 --> 01:28:38,899
My great great grandfather,
he raised multi-species,
1402
01:28:39,037 --> 01:28:40,867
slaughtered his own animals
on the farm,
1403
01:28:41,005 --> 01:28:43,214
sold them locally
to the people here in Bluffton.
1404
01:28:43,352 --> 01:28:45,527
And it's very similar
to our model today.
1405
01:28:45,665 --> 01:28:49,254
We joke now, saying,
we farm more like
our great great grandfather did
1406
01:28:49,393 --> 01:28:52,603
than when my grandfather was
alive and operating the farm.
1407
01:28:52,741 --> 01:28:56,917
All right, so we've got
the Easter campaign
starting this weekend.
1408
01:28:57,055 --> 01:29:01,612
We've got a little bit
of trim that Buck's going
to try to run for ground lamb,
1409
01:29:01,750 --> 01:29:05,685
and then some merguez, and...
are you going to run
some more chorizo?
1410
01:29:05,823 --> 01:29:09,171
We're going to run
200 pounds of each batch.
1411
01:29:09,309 --> 01:29:10,690
Good deal. Uh...
1412
01:29:10,828 --> 01:29:12,588
Jenni
is my middle daughter
1413
01:29:12,726 --> 01:29:15,936
and she has always
been my shadow.
1414
01:29:16,074 --> 01:29:19,284
We have been inseparable
since she got potty trained.
1415
01:29:19,423 --> 01:29:22,357
And I am just
fiercely proud of her.
1416
01:29:22,495 --> 01:29:24,117
That works both ways.
1417
01:29:24,255 --> 01:29:26,947
It's so great to have a kid
who's your shadow.
1418
01:29:27,085 --> 01:29:29,605
It's great to have a dad
that's a mentor.
1419
01:29:29,743 --> 01:29:34,023
I've always told
my daughters that my goal is
1420
01:29:34,161 --> 01:29:38,994
to have the opportunity for them
to come back, but not
the obligation to come back.
1421
01:29:39,132 --> 01:29:43,101
Jenni, did you always
know that you wanted to
come back and work on the farm?
1422
01:29:43,239 --> 01:29:44,413
I did not.
1423
01:29:44,551 --> 01:29:46,450
So, growing up gay and closeted,
1424
01:29:46,588 --> 01:29:49,625
I really had made peace
with the fact that
1425
01:29:49,763 --> 01:29:51,316
I would have to choose
1426
01:29:51,455 --> 01:29:53,629
professional happiness
or personal happiness,
1427
01:29:53,767 --> 01:29:56,045
and those two couldn't
possibly coincide.
1428
01:29:56,183 --> 01:29:59,566
And it didn't work that way,
I get to have both.
1429
01:29:59,704 --> 01:30:03,259
It sounds kind of like
a fairy tale, to be honest.
1430
01:30:03,398 --> 01:30:05,400
It does, it does.
I think dad and I both agree,
1431
01:30:05,538 --> 01:30:07,022
we get to live
in our own fairy tales.
1432
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:10,059
They're very different,
but they're,
they're fairy tales.
1433
01:30:10,197 --> 01:30:12,752
So, Will,
what's your fairy tale?
1434
01:30:14,892 --> 01:30:16,894
You know, I'm living it.
1435
01:30:17,032 --> 01:30:18,792
To have...
1436
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:23,935
I'm a little emotional.
1437
01:30:24,073 --> 01:30:25,454
Me too.
1438
01:30:25,592 --> 01:30:28,146
Something in the air.
1439
01:30:28,284 --> 01:30:30,597
I don't know.
1440
01:30:30,735 --> 01:30:34,463
You know, uh, I love what I do.
1441
01:30:34,601 --> 01:30:36,327
That's an understatement.
1442
01:30:36,465 --> 01:30:40,676
You know, it's my hobby,
1443
01:30:40,814 --> 01:30:43,230
my vocation, my avocation,
1444
01:30:43,368 --> 01:30:47,096
my legacy and heritage,
every day.
1445
01:31:09,947 --> 01:31:12,605
We've been 14 months
in the pandemic.
1446
01:31:12,743 --> 01:31:14,883
We have learned some things,
1447
01:31:15,021 --> 01:31:19,888
collectively, what business
works and what doesn't, right?
1448
01:31:20,026 --> 01:31:24,755
A year later,
we're much clearer
that we need to leave Fruitvale.
1449
01:31:27,516 --> 01:31:33,108
We have a chance
to build our own bakery
here in downtown Oakland.
1450
01:31:33,246 --> 01:31:36,836
I want you all to see, could
this be the new home of Reem's?
1451
01:31:36,974 --> 01:31:41,875
A business model that would be
profitable for everybody.
1452
01:31:51,402 --> 01:31:56,131
Racks and racks and racks
of dough and pastry
shaping happening.
1453
01:31:56,269 --> 01:31:58,651
- I'd say excited.
- Excited, worried?
1454
01:32:00,549 --> 01:32:03,034
- Emotional.
- Emotional.
1455
01:32:07,245 --> 01:32:10,076
You know, across the board,
people were really responsive
1456
01:32:10,214 --> 01:32:11,905
and gave us really
excellent reviews.
1457
01:32:12,043 --> 01:32:14,252
Because I personally know
what I need to work on,
1458
01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:16,185
you know,
I know the wonky things.
1459
01:32:16,323 --> 01:32:18,533
I'm at 40% of where
I want to be.
1460
01:32:18,671 --> 01:32:22,364
I feel like we're on
training wheels a little bit.
1461
01:32:22,502 --> 01:32:26,782
How could it not be?
You're a brand-new restaurant
in the middle of a pandemic.
1462
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,405
You know, with a new restaurant
like yours,
1463
01:32:29,544 --> 01:32:31,718
where you're doing
really experimental food,
1464
01:32:31,856 --> 01:32:33,996
and really food of your heart,
1465
01:32:34,134 --> 01:32:36,412
you're going to have to find
your customers,
1466
01:32:36,551 --> 01:32:38,794
and you can't assume
that everybody who comes
1467
01:32:38,932 --> 01:32:42,246
is going to love it,
because they're not,
they're just not.
1468
01:32:42,384 --> 01:32:44,973
And you can't take it to heart.
1469
01:32:45,111 --> 01:32:46,595
Yeah.
1470
01:32:46,733 --> 01:32:48,286
Thanks, Ruth.
1471
01:32:49,529 --> 01:32:50,634
Yeah.
1472
01:33:13,277 --> 01:33:16,004
When I was a child,
I was attracted to food
1473
01:33:16,142 --> 01:33:18,316
because I saw that
it brought people together.
1474
01:33:18,454 --> 01:33:22,976
But it was when
I began looking at cooks
that I really fell in love.
1475
01:33:23,114 --> 01:33:26,255
Because it seemed to me it was
impossible to make great food
1476
01:33:26,393 --> 01:33:28,603
if you didn't
have a generous soul.
1477
01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:34,816
Independent farmers
and ranchers are also
a special breed.
1478
01:33:34,954 --> 01:33:39,855
They understand
and care about food in a way
that nobody else does.
1479
01:33:42,513 --> 01:33:48,346
I have never connected
so personally with the people
I was interviewing.
1480
01:33:48,484 --> 01:33:52,661
The isolation of COVID did
something really unexpected.
1481
01:33:52,799 --> 01:33:56,700
It sparked
deeper relationships,
1482
01:33:56,838 --> 01:33:58,529
deeper understanding.
1483
01:34:01,705 --> 01:34:04,915
The people I met this year
give me hope.
1484
01:34:05,053 --> 01:34:08,297
They're independent
of the industrialized model,
1485
01:34:08,435 --> 01:34:11,991
which frees them
to take risks.
1486
01:34:12,129 --> 01:34:13,889
Their collective vision
1487
01:34:14,027 --> 01:34:16,685
may hold the key
to our well-being.
1488
01:34:19,274 --> 01:34:22,242
I've always believed that food
is social and political,
1489
01:34:22,380 --> 01:34:24,693
but it's so much more
than that.
1490
01:34:24,831 --> 01:34:27,696
It shows us our values.
1491
01:34:27,834 --> 01:34:30,250
How we grow
and make our food
1492
01:34:30,388 --> 01:34:32,252
tells us who we are
as a nation,
1493
01:34:32,390 --> 01:34:36,084
and more importantly,
who we are as human beings.
1494
01:34:40,605 --> 01:34:42,124
I would love to meet you
in person.
1495
01:34:42,262 --> 01:34:44,644
- That would be great.
We'll have to one of these days.
- Yeah.
1496
01:34:44,782 --> 01:34:47,543
My son'll be riding
in that world a lot,
1497
01:34:47,682 --> 01:34:50,788
so if he gets up
in the New York rodeo
or whatever
1498
01:34:50,926 --> 01:34:53,101
and we get over there,
I'll probably look you up.
1499
01:34:53,239 --> 01:34:54,585
Oh, please. Please.
1500
01:34:57,933 --> 01:35:00,902
I'm really proud
to call you here from Glasgow.
1501
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:04,112
You are the 2021 winner
of the Food Planet Prize.
1502
01:35:04,250 --> 01:35:06,079
Oh, my... are you kidding?
1503
01:35:10,014 --> 01:35:13,362
The decision has been made
by the Curt Bergfors Foundation,
1504
01:35:13,500 --> 01:35:15,951
believe it or not,
to double up on the prize.
1505
01:35:16,089 --> 01:35:18,643
So you're not winner of just
one million US dollars,
1506
01:35:18,782 --> 01:35:21,025
you are now the winner
of two million US dollars,
1507
01:35:21,163 --> 01:35:24,408
the largest prize
for sustainability in the world.
1508
01:35:24,546 --> 01:35:28,446
Congratulations, Bren,
and the whole GreenWave team.
1509
01:35:32,416 --> 01:35:35,315
So this is confidential
because they want
to keep it confidential,
1510
01:35:35,453 --> 01:35:38,146
but they're naming
the restaurant of the year.
1511
01:35:38,284 --> 01:35:42,806
- Whoa!
- Whoa! Isn't that cool?
1512
01:35:42,944 --> 01:35:45,809
And then everyone around me
is like, "Wait,
can we just take a moment
1513
01:35:45,947 --> 01:35:48,501
to not react to it
as, like, another, you know,
1514
01:35:48,639 --> 01:35:52,160
you having to react to a pivot,
and just enjoy it?"
1515
01:35:52,298 --> 01:35:54,818
And I'm like,
"Yeah, but oh, my God!"
1516
01:35:58,649 --> 01:36:02,377
The food that we eat,
the tools that we use,
1517
01:36:02,515 --> 01:36:07,554
the methods of agriculture
were started by your ancestors.
1518
01:36:10,765 --> 01:36:13,353
And every time someone says,
1519
01:36:13,491 --> 01:36:15,839
"Get down and dirty
and go into a garden,"
1520
01:36:15,977 --> 01:36:18,773
you go into that garden
with pride.
1521
01:36:21,327 --> 01:36:24,088
Thank you so much.
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