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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,735 --> 00:00:16,706 This is a moment that requires people to stay at home in the state of California. 2 00:00:16,844 --> 00:00:21,780 Today, I'm issuing a stay-home, stay-safe order for all Michiganders. 3 00:00:21,918 --> 00:00:24,196 - For all Ohioans. - Across Maryland. 4 00:00:24,334 --> 00:00:27,027 - All Delawareans. - The entire state of Louisiana. 5 00:00:27,165 --> 00:00:28,890 For the state of Illinois. 6 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:31,203 These can be very tough days. 7 00:00:31,341 --> 00:00:35,414 All of us are safer at home. 8 00:00:53,777 --> 00:00:55,848 Hi, Alice. How are you? 9 00:00:55,986 --> 00:00:57,609 Oh, Ruth. 10 00:00:57,747 --> 00:01:01,785 I mean, I keep thinking, it can't get any harder, and then it does. 11 00:01:01,923 --> 00:01:06,514 I know, I know. It's such a frightening time. 12 00:01:06,652 --> 00:01:08,344 It is, it's horrible. 13 00:01:10,415 --> 00:01:16,041 So, Alice, I am working on this documentary 14 00:01:16,179 --> 00:01:20,321 about the pandemic and what it's going to do to the food system. 15 00:01:20,459 --> 00:01:23,704 I really can't send cameras to anyone or, you know... 16 00:01:23,842 --> 00:01:25,982 - That's right. - This is what we're stuck with. 17 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,535 Yeah. 18 00:01:27,673 --> 00:01:29,019 Um, I think that... 19 00:01:29,158 --> 00:01:32,299 this is a disaster moment for the food system. 20 00:01:32,437 --> 00:01:35,957 I would be surprised if more than half of the restaurants 21 00:01:36,096 --> 00:01:39,202 were able to reopen at the end of this. 22 00:01:39,340 --> 00:01:42,343 And, you know, I think the farmers are just planting 23 00:01:42,481 --> 00:01:44,794 as if someday we're going back to normal. 24 00:01:44,932 --> 00:01:47,176 And it's not going to be the same. 25 00:01:47,314 --> 00:01:48,798 No, it's not. 26 00:01:48,936 --> 00:01:52,526 The farmers may not sell all the food that they have. 27 00:01:52,664 --> 00:01:57,669 And they may or may not find somebody else to take it. 28 00:01:57,807 --> 00:02:02,294 I mean, we really need to rethink everything now, 29 00:02:02,432 --> 00:02:03,571 I think, from the ground up. 30 00:02:06,885 --> 00:02:09,439 COVID was the wake-up call. 31 00:02:09,577 --> 00:02:12,028 The moment we couldn't ignore. 32 00:02:12,166 --> 00:02:15,169 Our broken food system was exposed. 33 00:02:15,307 --> 00:02:20,795 The abundance that we as Americans are used to could just go away. 34 00:02:20,933 --> 00:02:23,143 It could all end. 35 00:02:24,834 --> 00:02:26,767 I've been writing about food for 50 years, 36 00:02:26,905 --> 00:02:29,770 trying to get Americans to care more about it. 37 00:02:29,908 --> 00:02:32,876 Ruth Reichl, the revered restaurant critic for the New York Times... 38 00:02:33,014 --> 00:02:35,948 Ruth Reichl, Gourmet magazine editor... 39 00:02:36,086 --> 00:02:38,468 How we eat as a nation is important. 40 00:02:38,606 --> 00:02:42,196 I mean, I think it's important to our children, I think it's important to the future. 41 00:02:42,334 --> 00:02:45,234 And I think food is not just something you eat, 42 00:02:45,372 --> 00:02:47,788 it's political and social... 43 00:02:47,926 --> 00:02:50,446 Food is elemental to our survival, 44 00:02:50,584 --> 00:02:56,279 but we take food and the people behind it completely for granted. 45 00:02:56,417 --> 00:03:00,180 First I started talking to the independent restaurateurs I knew, 46 00:03:00,318 --> 00:03:04,218 and then I reached out to independent farmers and ranchers. 47 00:03:04,356 --> 00:03:05,461 Welcome to Bluffton. 48 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:07,739 Welcome to Spencertown. Can you hear me? 49 00:03:07,877 --> 00:03:09,085 - Yeah. - Oh, good, hi. 50 00:03:09,223 --> 00:03:11,121 - Hi. - Good morning, ma'am, how are you? 51 00:03:11,260 --> 00:03:14,539 Can you take me through this whole pandemic process? 52 00:03:14,677 --> 00:03:17,714 I was running numbers, and I'm like, I have to do something different. 53 00:03:17,852 --> 00:03:20,993 My workers demanded answers that I didn't have. 54 00:03:21,131 --> 00:03:26,067 The CEO of Tyson said the American food system Is breaking. 55 00:03:26,206 --> 00:03:28,069 Yeah... he's right. 56 00:03:28,208 --> 00:03:32,039 A lot of people are on the ropes, and things haven't been good anyway. 57 00:03:32,177 --> 00:03:34,144 These folks are part of our family, 58 00:03:34,283 --> 00:03:37,251 and we're going to put them on the unemployment line. 59 00:03:37,389 --> 00:03:40,254 The chance of us as farmers surviving just, 60 00:03:40,392 --> 00:03:41,600 you know, goes down every day. 61 00:03:41,738 --> 00:03:45,466 Inexpensive food, at some point of the food chain, 62 00:03:45,604 --> 00:03:47,606 someone is getting abused. 63 00:03:47,744 --> 00:03:49,298 There's only one way out of that. 64 00:03:49,436 --> 00:03:52,715 It's changing the systems that caused us to be 65 00:03:52,853 --> 00:03:55,096 so lacking in resiliency when the pandemic struck. 66 00:03:55,235 --> 00:04:01,551 They're all struggling, experimenting, doing whatever it took to survive. 67 00:04:01,689 --> 00:04:05,831 Not that a paycheck is everything, but it's like, you know, what is your worth? 68 00:04:05,969 --> 00:04:08,040 What's your value? 69 00:04:08,178 --> 00:04:10,905 With so many of them in crisis, 70 00:04:11,043 --> 00:04:13,874 I wanted to connect with those people directly. 71 00:04:14,012 --> 00:04:15,116 - Hey. - Hi, Ruth. 72 00:04:15,255 --> 00:04:16,635 How are you? 73 00:04:32,996 --> 00:04:35,930 So, what's it like in Chinatown? 74 00:04:36,068 --> 00:04:39,140 I mean, are you surrounded by restaurants that are closing? 75 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,627 Yeah, that's the saddest part about this neighborhood, 76 00:04:42,765 --> 00:04:46,009 is, there's an eerie quietness in this neighborhood. 77 00:04:46,147 --> 00:04:51,981 A lot of empty store fronts, a lot of closed restaurants. 78 00:04:52,119 --> 00:04:55,950 Chinatown was the first to be affected. 79 00:04:56,088 --> 00:04:58,401 People are scared to come to Chinatown. 80 00:04:58,539 --> 00:05:02,474 Whether that's, you know, stereotypes or prejudices. 81 00:05:02,612 --> 00:05:05,270 Just making fun of the virus in Chinese names 82 00:05:05,408 --> 00:05:10,206 is depleting the stature of what this neighborhood had built. 83 00:05:10,344 --> 00:05:14,555 But the hardest thing about this pandemic is that each business 84 00:05:14,693 --> 00:05:19,146 has been having to handle this puzzle on their own. 85 00:05:22,805 --> 00:05:24,945 I mean, it was particularly bad timing for you, 86 00:05:25,083 --> 00:05:26,740 because you were just opening a restaurant. 87 00:05:26,878 --> 00:05:28,569 Yeah. 88 00:05:28,707 --> 00:05:33,056 I was already in survival mode, but that week leading up to the pandemic, 89 00:05:33,194 --> 00:05:36,991 I was going from one to two locations, and I was really stretched thin. 90 00:05:37,129 --> 00:05:39,856 Obviously, I'm not paying rent. 91 00:05:39,994 --> 00:05:42,376 Hopefully my landlords won't kick me out. 92 00:05:42,514 --> 00:05:46,173 But I'm the primary breadwinner of my family. 93 00:05:46,311 --> 00:05:50,729 All of a sudden, I'm like, how do I take care of my own family 94 00:05:50,867 --> 00:05:53,214 and then take care of all of these people? 95 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:57,840 And I just felt like I had failed everybody. 96 00:06:02,741 --> 00:06:05,295 You can ask me questions while I do my hair. 97 00:06:05,434 --> 00:06:08,678 Okay. So you just talked about the restaurant, how you pivoted. 98 00:06:08,816 --> 00:06:10,611 I hate the word "pivot"! 99 00:06:10,749 --> 00:06:13,718 I called my landlord and I said, 100 00:06:13,856 --> 00:06:17,687 "Hey, I just want you to know that maybe we can't pay our rent next month." 101 00:06:17,825 --> 00:06:19,931 "Can you please make sure everything's okay?" 102 00:06:20,069 --> 00:06:21,415 And he's like, "It's not." 103 00:06:21,553 --> 00:06:26,420 "My 80-year-old parents rely on this income." 104 00:06:26,558 --> 00:06:28,215 - Yeah. - What the heck do you do? 105 00:06:28,353 --> 00:06:31,770 And I'm like, there's no way I'm going to do what everyone's doing 106 00:06:31,908 --> 00:06:34,152 and not pay their rent, if I can. 107 00:06:34,290 --> 00:06:36,603 And, because he's an immigrant. 108 00:06:36,741 --> 00:06:38,259 It's not them versus us. 109 00:06:38,398 --> 00:06:42,367 It's not the-- maybe the banks a little bit, but... 110 00:06:42,505 --> 00:06:44,852 Maybe the banks a little bit, yeah. 111 00:06:44,990 --> 00:06:49,512 You know, if this is the foreseeable future, will you be okay? 112 00:06:49,650 --> 00:06:51,307 Uh... I don't think Porridge & Puffs 113 00:06:51,445 --> 00:06:55,000 is going to look like what it was, and I don't expect it to. 114 00:06:55,138 --> 00:06:59,073 This is day one, minute one, brand-new business. 115 00:06:59,211 --> 00:07:02,249 - Take care, enjoy cooking. - Thank you. 116 00:07:10,153 --> 00:07:11,672 I don't think you sent me a Venmo. 117 00:07:11,810 --> 00:07:14,744 No, I did, you must've been on, I just sent it. 118 00:07:14,882 --> 00:07:16,505 Oh, okay. 119 00:07:16,643 --> 00:07:18,023 When I was growing up, 120 00:07:18,161 --> 00:07:20,854 most people just didn't pay much attention to food. 121 00:07:20,992 --> 00:07:26,307 Today, food is as important as art and books and movies and music. 122 00:07:26,446 --> 00:07:29,828 It is a huge part of popular culture. 123 00:07:29,966 --> 00:07:35,282 People often ask me today if I think there's too much emphasis on food. 124 00:07:35,420 --> 00:07:36,697 And you know what? 125 00:07:36,835 --> 00:07:39,976 My answer is no. There was too little. 126 00:07:40,114 --> 00:07:42,358 You've heard of the art of cooking. 127 00:07:42,496 --> 00:07:44,187 Well, here's an artist at work. 128 00:07:44,325 --> 00:07:45,775 When I was growing up, 129 00:07:45,913 --> 00:07:47,708 it was probably the only time in human history 130 00:07:47,846 --> 00:07:50,055 where people willfully chose not to pay attention 131 00:07:50,193 --> 00:07:51,712 to where their food came from, 132 00:07:51,850 --> 00:07:55,026 how they were eating, what it meant to their bodies. 133 00:07:55,164 --> 00:07:58,132 The consequences have been horrendous. 134 00:07:58,270 --> 00:07:59,824 I didn't mean to be unkind to mother, 135 00:07:59,962 --> 00:08:02,482 but she did spend an awful lot of time in that kitchen. 136 00:08:02,620 --> 00:08:05,657 Frankly, I had better things to do with my time. 137 00:08:05,795 --> 00:08:09,419 Back in the '50s, advertising began to sell us the idea 138 00:08:09,558 --> 00:08:12,112 that cooking should be quick and convenient. 139 00:08:12,250 --> 00:08:16,081 Just reach for a can, 3 minutes to heat, and it's ready to eat. 140 00:08:16,219 --> 00:08:19,222 You'll be dancing with joy when you serve Brown Beauty Spanish Rice. 141 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,710 If there were health consequences, nobody was thinking about it. 142 00:08:23,848 --> 00:08:25,643 Efficiency was everything. 143 00:08:25,781 --> 00:08:27,955 But in the 1960s on public television, 144 00:08:28,093 --> 00:08:30,648 Julia Child came along and began teaching 145 00:08:30,786 --> 00:08:35,238 a fairly small, rebellious audience how to cook like the French. 146 00:08:35,376 --> 00:08:40,968 Cutting down this way and cutting across, do practice this method. 147 00:08:41,106 --> 00:08:44,903 It does take a little practice, takes you about a week or so to learn. 148 00:08:45,041 --> 00:08:49,598 It was a direct response to the idea that American food was terrible. 149 00:08:49,736 --> 00:08:51,634 I mean, everybody talked about, "Oh, America, 150 00:08:51,772 --> 00:08:54,948 the land of hamburgers and hot dogs, the land of fast food." 151 00:08:55,086 --> 00:08:58,261 And Julia Child comes along and says, "No, Americans can cook great food." 152 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:00,436 "They just have to learn the technique." 153 00:09:00,574 --> 00:09:03,059 And then you have Alice Waters come along, 154 00:09:03,197 --> 00:09:05,752 and there's a revolution against that revolution, 155 00:09:05,890 --> 00:09:10,722 which is, you cannot make great food if you don't have great ingredients. 156 00:09:10,860 --> 00:09:13,622 I mean, Alice says, "Garbage in, garbage out." 157 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:19,213 You want great food in America, it's not about technique, it's about the quality of the food. 158 00:09:21,733 --> 00:09:26,117 Just a second, I'm going to move over here so I can lean back on the couch. 159 00:09:26,255 --> 00:09:29,189 I'm going to make you jealous. 160 00:09:29,327 --> 00:09:32,157 Oh, oh, my God. You-- I am very jealous. 161 00:09:32,295 --> 00:09:35,505 There is not a-- The best I can do is rhubarb. 162 00:09:35,644 --> 00:09:37,956 Are you thinking of reopening at some point? 163 00:09:38,094 --> 00:09:40,718 Well, the restaurant's just not big enough. 164 00:09:40,856 --> 00:09:42,685 God, it makes me so sad. 165 00:09:42,823 --> 00:09:49,071 - I mean, we have bathrooms that are big as the closet. - That's true. 166 00:09:49,209 --> 00:09:51,729 I mean, the tables are very close together. 167 00:09:51,867 --> 00:09:56,078 We've been making farm boxes, because, for me, 168 00:09:56,216 --> 00:10:02,947 the big, big issue is keeping all of our purveyors alive. 169 00:10:03,085 --> 00:10:06,329 When all of these restaurants start to close, 170 00:10:06,467 --> 00:10:09,885 it will close other parts of other industries, as well. 171 00:10:10,023 --> 00:10:14,890 Our order this week for produce was the smallest it's ever been. 172 00:10:15,028 --> 00:10:19,308 Those are relationships that I have with farms that are over ten years, 173 00:10:19,446 --> 00:10:23,036 and it sucks to not be able to support them. 174 00:10:23,174 --> 00:10:25,797 It's so bleak. 175 00:10:28,282 --> 00:10:30,319 You don't walk away from a farm. 176 00:10:30,457 --> 00:10:32,010 You can't put farms on furlough. 177 00:10:32,148 --> 00:10:33,702 It's kind of like a relationship. 178 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,981 You can't just ignore them for two months or three months 179 00:10:37,119 --> 00:10:39,846 and then walk back in and expect to be greeted fondly. 180 00:10:39,984 --> 00:10:44,333 The very first farmers I called were Lee and Bob Jones at Chef's Garden, 181 00:10:44,471 --> 00:10:46,300 because I know that 182 00:10:46,438 --> 00:10:49,234 almost their entire business is selling to restaurants, 183 00:10:49,372 --> 00:10:51,409 so this had to be brutal for them. 184 00:10:51,547 --> 00:10:54,032 So, what have the last few weeks been like for you? 185 00:10:54,170 --> 00:10:57,449 You know, we're underwater. We lost a lot of money in March. 186 00:10:57,587 --> 00:11:01,212 Home delivery, I think, is a good move, but we're starting from zero. 187 00:11:04,698 --> 00:11:06,666 How are we going to handle this? 188 00:11:06,804 --> 00:11:09,082 What decisions are we going to make 189 00:11:09,220 --> 00:11:14,397 to protect our team physically, emotionally, financially... 190 00:11:16,883 --> 00:11:20,231 You haven't had to throw anything out, have you? 191 00:11:20,369 --> 00:11:23,096 We're planting literally every day, 192 00:11:23,234 --> 00:11:26,306 and so those products, right after the restaurants closed down, 193 00:11:26,444 --> 00:11:28,895 that product just kept coming and coming and coming. 194 00:11:29,033 --> 00:11:31,552 You know, there was definitely a period there where there was 195 00:11:31,691 --> 00:11:33,623 a lot of dumping. 196 00:11:33,762 --> 00:11:36,834 But if we're going down, we're going to go down fighting. 197 00:11:48,121 --> 00:11:50,813 I began thinking about what might be happening out there 198 00:11:50,951 --> 00:11:52,988 to the small, independent ranchers, 199 00:11:53,126 --> 00:11:57,061 the ones who supply meat to our restaurants and supermarkets. 200 00:11:57,199 --> 00:12:00,167 And then I came across a rancher from Kansas. 201 00:12:00,305 --> 00:12:01,997 He was all over social media, 202 00:12:02,135 --> 00:12:05,241 talking about the challenges that were facing his community. 203 00:12:05,379 --> 00:12:07,278 You know, the state of the cattle business 204 00:12:07,416 --> 00:12:10,039 has turned into more than just a cattle business problem. 205 00:12:10,177 --> 00:12:12,939 It's turned into a United States economics problem. 206 00:12:13,077 --> 00:12:15,079 Good morning, ma'am, how are you? 207 00:12:15,217 --> 00:12:18,461 I'm very well, thank you. If you could tell me the story 208 00:12:18,599 --> 00:12:21,913 of COVID for you, it would be great. 209 00:12:22,051 --> 00:12:23,673 Okay. Uh... 210 00:12:23,812 --> 00:12:26,090 We're starting to back the cattle up. 211 00:12:26,228 --> 00:12:28,471 You've seen on TV, I'm sure, and everywhere, 212 00:12:28,609 --> 00:12:30,439 of disposing of milk and hogs. 213 00:12:30,577 --> 00:12:33,994 And we're probably not far from that in the cattle part. 214 00:12:34,132 --> 00:12:36,445 You have this huge discrepancy now. 215 00:12:36,583 --> 00:12:38,343 You've got record beef prices. 216 00:12:38,481 --> 00:12:43,383 So the consumer's paying twice what they were 60 days ago, 217 00:12:43,521 --> 00:12:49,147 and you have a packer that's making a billion dollars a week processing cattle, 218 00:12:49,285 --> 00:12:51,736 while all the producers are going broke. 219 00:12:51,874 --> 00:12:54,359 It sounds like the Big Four packers, 220 00:12:54,497 --> 00:12:57,121 the meat processors, have too much control? 221 00:12:57,259 --> 00:13:00,020 Exactly. The packers got so big, 222 00:13:00,158 --> 00:13:03,437 and the monopolization of processing plants so common, 223 00:13:03,575 --> 00:13:05,992 that if you take two of them offline, 224 00:13:06,130 --> 00:13:08,166 all of a sudden we have a meat shortage, 225 00:13:08,304 --> 00:13:10,237 when there's no shortage of food here. 226 00:13:10,375 --> 00:13:13,482 We could feed a small country right now with what we're wasting. 227 00:13:13,620 --> 00:13:18,142 - Absolutely. - But our system is so specialized 228 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,766 that any kink and we're in trouble. 229 00:13:21,904 --> 00:13:23,595 I think that will eventually bite us. 230 00:13:23,733 --> 00:13:27,323 The majority of mass agriculture in the United States 231 00:13:27,461 --> 00:13:32,604 is all about how cheaply can you produce it. 232 00:13:32,742 --> 00:13:35,573 And that's what's gotten us to where we are. 233 00:13:35,711 --> 00:13:38,852 Other countries can't spend per capita what we do 234 00:13:38,990 --> 00:13:41,544 on entertainment and vehicles and housing, 235 00:13:41,682 --> 00:13:44,202 because they're spending it on food. 236 00:13:44,340 --> 00:13:45,859 - Right. - You know. 237 00:13:45,997 --> 00:13:49,069 For the last 50 years we've thrown agriculture under the bus 238 00:13:49,207 --> 00:13:51,969 as the bargaining tool for everything America thought 239 00:13:52,107 --> 00:13:54,074 the other countries ought to be doing. 240 00:13:58,354 --> 00:14:00,909 Coming out of World War II, 241 00:14:01,047 --> 00:14:06,086 there was a very conscious decision on the part of the American government 242 00:14:06,224 --> 00:14:08,537 to make food political. 243 00:14:08,675 --> 00:14:13,162 They had a huge stockpile of ammunition left over from World War II. 244 00:14:13,300 --> 00:14:16,062 They decide to convert it into fertilizer. 245 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:22,516 There is a deep encouragement to replace the animals on the farm with machines. 246 00:14:22,654 --> 00:14:26,244 There's privileging of efficiency, the factory model, 247 00:14:26,382 --> 00:14:33,010 and there is a whole notion that one way we can fight communism 248 00:14:33,148 --> 00:14:40,189 is by having the cheapest and most abundant food on earth. 249 00:14:40,327 --> 00:14:43,537 We had an arms race and a farms race. 250 00:14:43,675 --> 00:14:45,781 You plan to outstrip us, 251 00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:48,922 particularly in the production of consumer goods? 252 00:14:49,060 --> 00:14:51,028 Nixon actually had what were called 253 00:14:51,166 --> 00:14:54,376 the "kitchen cabinet conversations" with Khrushchev. 254 00:14:54,514 --> 00:14:56,826 He took him through supermarkets, 255 00:14:56,965 --> 00:15:01,417 and this notion is, "Look at what we have in this country." 256 00:15:01,555 --> 00:15:04,593 Nixon's secretary of agriculture, Earl Butz, 257 00:15:04,731 --> 00:15:08,562 actually said to the farmers, "Get big or get out." 258 00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:10,944 We're going to make this industry pay. 259 00:15:11,082 --> 00:15:14,810 P-R-O-F-I-T. 260 00:15:14,948 --> 00:15:17,157 He encouraged them to take out huge loans 261 00:15:17,295 --> 00:15:19,573 to buy combines and expensive equipment. 262 00:15:19,711 --> 00:15:22,300 And they did. 263 00:15:22,438 --> 00:15:26,511 Then, in the early '80s, the overproduction of food, 264 00:15:26,649 --> 00:15:29,583 combined with enormous farm debt and high interest rates, 265 00:15:29,721 --> 00:15:35,796 caused farmer after farmer across the middle of America to go bankrupt. 266 00:16:03,790 --> 00:16:05,102 Father, Son, Holy Spirit. 267 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,207 Bless us, O Lord, and these our gifts, 268 00:16:07,345 --> 00:16:10,383 which we are about to receive from thy bounty, through Christ our Lord. Amen. 269 00:16:10,521 --> 00:16:12,868 Father, Son, Holy Spirit. 270 00:16:19,254 --> 00:16:21,014 Oh, there you are. 271 00:16:21,152 --> 00:16:23,189 Oh. Hi! Hi! 272 00:16:23,327 --> 00:16:25,570 I don't do much video conferencing, 273 00:16:25,708 --> 00:16:30,817 and I usually choose not to do the video, because I'm just kind of shy, I guess, I don't know. 274 00:16:30,955 --> 00:16:33,026 No, I totally get that. 275 00:16:33,164 --> 00:16:36,581 So, tell me what COVID has been like for you. 276 00:16:36,719 --> 00:16:39,688 The markets took a hit, but they're crappy anyway. 277 00:16:39,826 --> 00:16:42,346 So, you know, it's just one more thing. 278 00:16:42,484 --> 00:16:44,486 So, what do you grow? 279 00:16:44,624 --> 00:16:46,350 Well, we grow corn and beans. 280 00:16:46,488 --> 00:16:50,699 And, in 2013, we put wheat into our rotation. 281 00:16:50,837 --> 00:16:54,634 And we've done Sudan for forage for cattle, 282 00:16:54,772 --> 00:16:59,639 because we just know we have to get an income source other than corn and soybeans. 283 00:16:59,777 --> 00:17:01,606 Because it doesn't pay. 284 00:17:01,744 --> 00:17:06,094 Farming economics for the last eight years has been stressful. 285 00:17:06,232 --> 00:17:09,890 We're at cost of production or less. 286 00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:12,824 We're buying land, we're buying equipment. 287 00:17:12,962 --> 00:17:14,240 It's a half a million dollars, almost, 288 00:17:14,378 --> 00:17:16,759 for some of these combines and tractors. 289 00:17:16,897 --> 00:17:21,178 We've got bills up to here. I mean, we are highly leveraged. 290 00:17:21,316 --> 00:17:25,734 So we're transitioning acres into organic. 291 00:17:25,872 --> 00:17:28,012 But you'll get more for organic. 292 00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:32,361 Yes, but the hard part is that 36 months of transition. 293 00:17:32,499 --> 00:17:33,707 It's a nightmare. 294 00:17:33,845 --> 00:17:36,779 Right, yeah, 36 months of no money. 295 00:17:36,917 --> 00:17:39,817 Right, and tell your banker that. 296 00:17:39,955 --> 00:17:44,477 We go every year to the bank to renew our ag loan. 297 00:17:44,615 --> 00:17:47,756 And it's only from beginning of the year to the end. 298 00:17:47,894 --> 00:17:51,967 And it's like, there's no, there's no flow in between years, 299 00:17:52,105 --> 00:17:54,280 where soil health needs that. 300 00:17:54,418 --> 00:17:56,903 Transition to organic needs that. 301 00:17:57,041 --> 00:17:59,595 So, do you have animals as well? 302 00:17:59,733 --> 00:18:03,496 Just kids. 303 00:18:03,634 --> 00:18:07,776 Agricultural economics is totally upside-down. 304 00:18:07,914 --> 00:18:13,333 So, the majority of farmers in the United States go to the bank every winter, 305 00:18:13,471 --> 00:18:17,544 and they borrow operating capital so that they can buy seed and fertilizer 306 00:18:17,682 --> 00:18:22,342 and all of the inputs that they'll need to grow their crops. 307 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,828 They farm all year and hope they can make enough at the end of the year 308 00:18:25,966 --> 00:18:29,522 to pay that note back and hope that the lending institution 309 00:18:29,660 --> 00:18:31,869 will do it again next year. 310 00:18:32,007 --> 00:18:34,147 Over, and over, and over, and over. 311 00:18:34,285 --> 00:18:37,806 And in our history, that's exactly what happened to us. 312 00:18:37,944 --> 00:18:40,981 It was Economics 101 in the '80s. 313 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:43,329 We lost the family farm in '83. 314 00:18:43,467 --> 00:18:45,745 I mean, everything, it was an auction, 315 00:18:45,883 --> 00:18:49,300 and everything right down to my mom's car and our home 316 00:18:49,438 --> 00:18:52,165 were auctioned off in a foreclosure. 317 00:18:52,303 --> 00:18:54,443 And it was survival mode. 318 00:18:54,581 --> 00:18:59,241 Unfortunately right now feels eerily, eerily like that. 319 00:18:59,379 --> 00:19:02,210 It's a stupid business. Nobody else does that. 320 00:19:02,348 --> 00:19:05,316 I mean, go to any financial advisor and say, "All right, 321 00:19:05,454 --> 00:19:07,870 I'm going to risk $8 million this year, 322 00:19:08,008 --> 00:19:13,013 and I'm going to work 100 hours a week for a $50,000 return." 323 00:19:13,152 --> 00:19:16,085 I mean, they're going to tell you you're an idiot. 324 00:19:16,224 --> 00:19:20,987 I mean, the more I report this documentary, 325 00:19:21,125 --> 00:19:25,543 the more I feel that the finances of farmers 326 00:19:25,681 --> 00:19:30,272 are at the crux of so much of what's going on in this country. 327 00:19:30,410 --> 00:19:35,381 The degree of risk that these folks take on is staggering. 328 00:19:35,519 --> 00:19:37,624 Like, we get... 329 00:19:37,762 --> 00:19:41,939 You know, we're talking about forgiving student loan debt, right, as a way of like, 330 00:19:42,077 --> 00:19:45,701 you know, recognizing that the economy has been stacked against people 331 00:19:45,839 --> 00:19:47,600 who've graduated in the past couple of years, 332 00:19:47,738 --> 00:19:49,774 and that it's a real drag on economic growth. 333 00:19:49,912 --> 00:19:52,639 Oh, my God, you know how much farm debt's out there? 334 00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:56,747 Those folks are part of a food production system. 335 00:19:56,885 --> 00:20:00,578 They deserve to be able to make a living doing what they're doing. 336 00:20:00,716 --> 00:20:02,062 That's a choice. 337 00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:04,927 We made a conscious decision to favor agribusiness interests, 338 00:20:05,065 --> 00:20:08,103 as opposed to investing in the people that were on the land. 339 00:20:08,241 --> 00:20:14,074 If you ask how many farmers are actually able to make a living just from farming? 340 00:20:14,213 --> 00:20:17,457 It's almost no one. Almost no one. 341 00:20:17,595 --> 00:20:21,392 If, if you're generous, it would be about seven percent of farmers. 342 00:20:21,530 --> 00:20:23,256 You just have to think about that. 343 00:20:23,394 --> 00:20:25,810 You know, what economic sector would sustain 344 00:20:25,948 --> 00:20:29,883 with only seven percent of them being able to make positive revenue? 345 00:21:27,734 --> 00:21:30,358 - How are you? - How we doing, Chef? 346 00:21:30,496 --> 00:21:31,807 - Good to see you. - I'll show you... 347 00:21:31,945 --> 00:21:34,431 - Hey, Marcus. - How are you, dear? 348 00:21:34,569 --> 00:21:37,675 You can tell, quickly, what business is in Harlem, 349 00:21:37,813 --> 00:21:39,470 but not of Harlem, right? 350 00:21:39,608 --> 00:21:41,334 I'll show you the difference. 351 00:21:41,472 --> 00:21:45,718 If you're in Harlem, it's just boarded up with plywood, right? 352 00:21:45,856 --> 00:21:49,342 If you're of Harlem, there's art on your gate. 353 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:50,999 So, in and of. 354 00:21:51,137 --> 00:21:53,277 - Ready to go. - How you doing, Chef? 355 00:21:53,415 --> 00:21:55,590 - What's up man, what's going on? - That's the chef. 356 00:21:55,728 --> 00:21:58,006 You have restaurants all over the world, right? 357 00:21:58,144 --> 00:22:01,216 "Had" is the key word there. 358 00:22:01,354 --> 00:22:03,356 It took me 25 years to build this. 359 00:22:03,494 --> 00:22:06,014 It took ten days to break it all down. 360 00:22:07,671 --> 00:22:11,191 When people said, Ruth, everybody's left New York City, 361 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:13,401 I find it almost disrespectful. 362 00:22:13,539 --> 00:22:15,057 People have not left. 363 00:22:15,195 --> 00:22:16,542 Do you need another mask? 364 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,509 Yeah, I could use another one. 365 00:22:18,647 --> 00:22:22,030 There are deli workers, nurses, 366 00:22:22,168 --> 00:22:24,722 homeless people, people with mental illnesses. 367 00:22:24,860 --> 00:22:31,453 And on top of that, every day, Harlem gets busloads of homeless, 368 00:22:31,591 --> 00:22:35,906 or people that are incarcerated, and just get dropped off on 125th street. 369 00:22:36,044 --> 00:22:37,701 I mean, it's, it's horrendous. 370 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:39,047 Do you want some food? 371 00:22:39,185 --> 00:22:40,704 - I got some. - You got some, good. 372 00:22:40,842 --> 00:22:43,672 One of the things that I'm looking at is, 373 00:22:43,810 --> 00:22:48,608 in 1920, 19% of the farms in America were Black-owned. 374 00:22:48,746 --> 00:22:50,783 Now it's like one percent. 375 00:22:50,921 --> 00:22:54,476 - Wow. Do you know this amazing woman, Karen Washington? - No. 376 00:22:54,614 --> 00:22:57,721 She's fierce. You'll love her. 377 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,622 Ten to one. 378 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,487 And if they don't come, it's donated to La Finca. 379 00:23:05,625 --> 00:23:08,628 All right. Let's make sure everybody got their order. 380 00:23:08,766 --> 00:23:10,319 One red Russian kale six-pack. 381 00:23:10,458 --> 00:23:12,460 - Uh-huh. - You got the parsley? 382 00:23:12,598 --> 00:23:13,806 - Yes. - Chives? 383 00:23:13,944 --> 00:23:16,567 Yes. This will do good in shade. 384 00:23:16,705 --> 00:23:19,398 Enjoy, and take us some pictures and send them to us. 385 00:23:19,536 --> 00:23:23,678 When I moved to the Bronx, I had a huge backyard, and I decided, you know what? 386 00:23:23,816 --> 00:23:25,818 Let me try and grow some food. 387 00:23:25,956 --> 00:23:29,131 I started with green peppers and tomatoes, 388 00:23:29,269 --> 00:23:32,997 and it was the tomato that changed my world completely. 389 00:23:33,135 --> 00:23:36,622 Because prior to that, tomatoes were always pink, they were never red. 390 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,209 They tasted like cardboard. 391 00:23:38,347 --> 00:23:40,660 And so when I grew this tomato, first of all, 392 00:23:40,798 --> 00:23:43,180 I was mesmerized that it grew on a vine. 393 00:23:44,457 --> 00:23:46,632 That it was red? What? 394 00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:51,188 And when I picked it and I bit into it, it just rocked my world. 395 00:23:51,326 --> 00:23:56,435 The taste was so intense, so sweet, and I was hooked. 396 00:23:58,644 --> 00:24:02,302 COVID hit communities of color so hard, 397 00:24:02,441 --> 00:24:07,549 because of the preexisting diet-related diseases that we've had. 398 00:24:07,687 --> 00:24:12,727 The high incidence of hypertension, type 2 diabetes, obesity. 399 00:24:12,865 --> 00:24:17,559 I've been on this journey, getting politicians and people to understand 400 00:24:17,697 --> 00:24:20,873 the importance of growing food, and why it's so important, 401 00:24:21,011 --> 00:24:25,256 especially in low-income neighborhoods and neighborhoods of color, to do so. 402 00:24:25,394 --> 00:24:29,226 When you talk about food desert, you're not getting the underlying problem 403 00:24:29,364 --> 00:24:32,919 when it comes to race and economics and demographics. 404 00:24:33,057 --> 00:24:37,476 And when you talk about food apartheid, people start to listen. 405 00:24:37,614 --> 00:24:42,032 It's important that we look at our food system to see who's growing the food. 406 00:24:42,170 --> 00:24:45,069 Who are the farm workers, who are the farmers? 407 00:24:45,207 --> 00:24:50,903 Because out of 57,000 farmers in New York state, 408 00:24:51,041 --> 00:24:54,769 only 139 are Black. 409 00:24:54,907 --> 00:24:58,773 - Oh, my God. - You tell me, you tell me what I'm fighting for. 410 00:24:58,911 --> 00:25:04,503 And so we can't talk about a sustainable, equitable food system, 411 00:25:04,641 --> 00:25:06,297 if we're not in it. 412 00:25:08,299 --> 00:25:10,681 In the early 1900s, 413 00:25:10,819 --> 00:25:14,892 there were more Black farms than there were white farms. 414 00:25:15,030 --> 00:25:20,070 96% of land-owning farmers are white. 415 00:25:20,208 --> 00:25:23,591 And they control 97% of land. 416 00:25:23,729 --> 00:25:27,802 So you essentially have a system that is structurally racist 417 00:25:27,940 --> 00:25:29,217 because of the way that 418 00:25:29,355 --> 00:25:30,874 the federal government intervened 419 00:25:31,012 --> 00:25:32,738 to first of all appropriate that land 420 00:25:32,876 --> 00:25:34,394 and then distribute it. 421 00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:37,570 The vast majority of African American farmland lost 422 00:25:37,708 --> 00:25:39,607 has been in the 20th century. 423 00:25:39,745 --> 00:25:41,747 It's happened since 1950, right? 424 00:25:41,885 --> 00:25:45,440 So this is not ancient history, this is current history. 425 00:25:45,578 --> 00:25:47,580 This is very real to people who were 426 00:25:47,718 --> 00:25:49,755 on the land. 427 00:25:49,893 --> 00:25:51,411 They're still alive, those people. 428 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:52,965 I mean... 429 00:25:53,103 --> 00:25:56,589 we have never had the reckoning within our country that we need. 430 00:25:56,727 --> 00:25:59,247 And we certainly haven't had it within agriculture. 431 00:26:02,664 --> 00:26:05,633 As part of the New Deal, everybody got the right 432 00:26:05,771 --> 00:26:09,464 to the minimum wage for the first time, except for groups of Black workers. 433 00:26:09,602 --> 00:26:12,847 Farm workers, domestic workers, and tipped restaurant workers who were told 434 00:26:12,985 --> 00:26:16,678 you get a zero dollar wage, as long as tips bring you to the full minimum wage. 435 00:26:16,816 --> 00:26:22,408 And we went from zero in 1938 to $2.13 81 years later. 436 00:26:25,066 --> 00:26:27,620 Prior to the pandemic, the restaurant industry 437 00:26:27,758 --> 00:26:32,349 was the second-largest and absolute fastest-growing sector of the US economy. 438 00:26:32,487 --> 00:26:36,802 But it was also the absolute lowest-paying employer. 439 00:26:36,940 --> 00:26:41,082 Every year, the seven lowest-paying jobs would be in the restaurant industry, 440 00:26:41,220 --> 00:26:43,325 and the eighth-lowest would be farm workers. 441 00:26:46,121 --> 00:26:48,883 So, part of what you're seeing in the protests 442 00:26:49,021 --> 00:26:51,161 is a lot of unemployed service workers out there. 443 00:26:51,299 --> 00:26:54,923 I mean, George Floyd himself was an unemployed restaurant worker, 444 00:26:55,061 --> 00:26:56,235 and there are 445 00:26:56,373 --> 00:26:57,581 a ton of our people 446 00:26:57,719 --> 00:26:59,963 fighting for their lives. 447 00:27:00,101 --> 00:27:05,416 It is about police brutality, and it's about so much more. 448 00:27:05,554 --> 00:27:10,732 After emancipation, employers first demanded the right to hire newly freed slaves 449 00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:13,839 and not pay them anything and have them live entirely 450 00:27:13,977 --> 00:27:17,566 on this new notion that had just come from Europe at the time called a tip. 451 00:27:17,705 --> 00:27:22,019 And it really was slavery that mutated this idea of tipping, 452 00:27:22,157 --> 00:27:26,161 not as a bonus or an extra on top of a wage, but rather the wage itself. 453 00:27:26,299 --> 00:27:30,096 Because there was a desire to hire Black people, in particular Black women, 454 00:27:30,234 --> 00:27:34,169 actually, at the time, not pay them anything, and have them live on tips. 455 00:27:34,307 --> 00:27:36,655 But I think the surprising thing is, 456 00:27:36,793 --> 00:27:39,692 we are seeing dramatic new willingness 457 00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:44,076 of lots and lots of independent restaurants to totally change their business models. 458 00:27:57,434 --> 00:28:02,715 I get my affinity for fighting against any kind of injustice from my mom. 459 00:28:02,853 --> 00:28:07,720 When we were made fun of in school, she would, like, teach folks about Arab culture. 460 00:28:07,858 --> 00:28:12,345 And she always made sure that anyone who came through our household was fed. 461 00:28:12,483 --> 00:28:14,002 My grandmother was the same way. 462 00:28:14,140 --> 00:28:17,661 And I started to see the virtue of Arab hospitality. 463 00:28:18,938 --> 00:28:21,596 You are trying to use this time 464 00:28:21,734 --> 00:28:24,910 to figure out another way. 465 00:28:25,048 --> 00:28:27,567 Yes. Exactly. 466 00:28:27,706 --> 00:28:29,086 It was really scary. 467 00:28:29,224 --> 00:28:31,364 Our sales plummeted, 468 00:28:31,502 --> 00:28:34,643 and lack of tips was a huge blow to my workers 469 00:28:34,782 --> 00:28:37,405 when we stopped our restaurant operations. 470 00:28:37,543 --> 00:28:40,822 My employees formed a collective to, like, 471 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:46,655 demand answers from management, but also, I think, to take care of each other. 472 00:28:46,794 --> 00:28:48,934 So I was like, how do I take care of my workers 473 00:28:49,072 --> 00:28:52,696 so that they're better off from this whole debacle than they were before? 474 00:28:52,834 --> 00:28:57,459 And the only answer to me was worker ownership. 475 00:28:57,597 --> 00:29:01,015 I'm fascinated and admiring of your efforts 476 00:29:01,153 --> 00:29:04,397 to share the ownership of your business with your employees. 477 00:29:04,535 --> 00:29:08,677 Living your principles in your work life is really difficult. 478 00:29:08,816 --> 00:29:11,439 I mean, as I told you, 479 00:29:11,577 --> 00:29:14,787 I've sort of come out of this movement 480 00:29:14,925 --> 00:29:18,618 and sort of watched it happen in the '70s. 481 00:29:26,972 --> 00:29:30,665 In 1973, we put everything we owned, including our cat, 482 00:29:30,803 --> 00:29:34,427 into a big green van and drove out to Berkeley. 483 00:29:36,222 --> 00:29:38,707 You know, it was all these counterculture people. 484 00:29:38,846 --> 00:29:42,056 And after the Vietnam War movement, we started looking 485 00:29:42,194 --> 00:29:46,785 for the next cause, because we felt like we'd made an impact. 486 00:29:46,923 --> 00:29:49,097 And so, what do we see? 487 00:29:49,235 --> 00:29:52,860 We see that American food is becoming industrialized. 488 00:29:52,998 --> 00:29:54,723 It wasn't really new. 489 00:29:54,862 --> 00:29:57,968 But what we were seeing now were the environmental costs 490 00:29:58,106 --> 00:30:00,971 and the exploitation of labor and agriculture. 491 00:30:01,109 --> 00:30:04,112 People started protesting. 492 00:30:04,250 --> 00:30:07,875 Everyone I knew was reading Diet for a Small Planet. 493 00:30:08,013 --> 00:30:11,775 And there was this new consciousness about limited resources. 494 00:30:11,913 --> 00:30:15,779 I started cooking at a restaurant collective called The Swallow. 495 00:30:18,195 --> 00:30:20,853 I was writing occasional 496 00:30:20,991 --> 00:30:22,337 little pieces for New West-- 497 00:30:22,475 --> 00:30:24,477 where to go to get ice cream and things like that. 498 00:30:24,615 --> 00:30:28,343 And one of my editors said, "Have you ever thought about being a restaurant critic?" 499 00:30:28,481 --> 00:30:30,518 And I looked at him and said, "Don't be ridiculous." 500 00:30:30,656 --> 00:30:31,830 "I don't even have a credit card." 501 00:30:31,968 --> 00:30:33,970 "What do you mean, be a restaurant critic?" 502 00:30:34,108 --> 00:30:36,213 And he said, "Just give it a try." 503 00:30:36,351 --> 00:30:41,080 I went home to my commune and said to everyone, "We're going out to eat." 504 00:30:42,875 --> 00:30:45,153 So, for the next six years at New West magazine, 505 00:30:45,291 --> 00:30:49,848 I just wrote short stories with the review kind of threaded through it. 506 00:30:52,712 --> 00:30:56,302 And then the LA Times called me and said, "We want you to be our restaurant critic." 507 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,375 And I was like, Oh, maybe this is my real life. 508 00:31:15,597 --> 00:31:20,533 I first met Alice in 1973. 509 00:31:20,671 --> 00:31:24,744 I thought she was the most glamorous, exciting creature. 510 00:31:24,883 --> 00:31:29,611 I lived in a commune in a broken-down old house. 511 00:31:29,749 --> 00:31:34,962 We were kind of scruffy, and Alice always felt, to me, 512 00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:38,275 like, kind of, I guess, the person I wanted to be. 513 00:31:38,413 --> 00:31:40,795 And then we did become friends. 514 00:31:40,933 --> 00:31:47,008 The way we've always worked has been collaboratively. 515 00:31:47,146 --> 00:31:51,392 For 50 years, we've been buying directly 516 00:31:51,530 --> 00:31:53,877 from the farmer and the rancher, 517 00:31:54,015 --> 00:31:55,983 giving the farmer all the money. 518 00:31:56,121 --> 00:31:57,501 No middleman. 519 00:31:57,639 --> 00:32:01,264 Because when we said to Bob Cannard, 520 00:32:01,402 --> 00:32:03,369 "We're buying everything you do, 521 00:32:03,507 --> 00:32:08,098 you'll have all the money that we would give to a wholesaler," 522 00:32:08,236 --> 00:32:11,964 it was that that really changed us. 523 00:32:12,102 --> 00:32:16,865 Because we followed his cycle, not ours. 524 00:32:17,004 --> 00:32:22,837 And once we got in his rhythm, we've never looked back. 525 00:32:22,975 --> 00:32:27,842 And he brought all the values right through the kitchen door. 526 00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:32,640 To think that that biodiversity is out there, 527 00:32:32,778 --> 00:32:35,781 it's just waiting for us. 528 00:32:44,307 --> 00:32:46,481 You grew up in Newfoundland, right? 529 00:32:46,619 --> 00:32:48,621 - Yeah. - How'd you end up in New Haven? 530 00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:50,313 Uh, I chased a girl. 531 00:32:53,419 --> 00:32:58,286 So, how did you come up with the notion of doing kelp? 532 00:32:58,424 --> 00:33:01,151 What we did was ask the ocean, 533 00:33:01,289 --> 00:33:02,739 what does it make sense to grow? 534 00:33:02,877 --> 00:33:05,052 And when you ask the ocean what to grow, the ocean says, 535 00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:08,814 "Grow things that won't swim away and you don't have to feed." 536 00:33:08,952 --> 00:33:12,231 As soon as you make that shift, you listen to the ocean, 537 00:33:12,369 --> 00:33:16,580 it becomes really pretty simple and you've got a lot of different crops you can grow. 538 00:33:16,718 --> 00:33:21,171 So kelp is the ultimate specialty boutique food right now, right? 539 00:33:21,309 --> 00:33:25,175 And we're repurposing our crops to non-food. 540 00:33:25,313 --> 00:33:28,661 The bioplastics for N95 masks. 541 00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:30,629 - Oh, yeah. - Made out of seaweed. 542 00:33:30,767 --> 00:33:36,083 But that's the sort of "don't let a crisis go to waste," right? 543 00:33:36,221 --> 00:33:41,364 I believe in polyculture because that allows for resilience. 544 00:33:41,502 --> 00:33:45,126 That quadrant farm, where we're harvesting food, 545 00:33:45,264 --> 00:33:49,130 we're harvesting byproducts, so things that are not food-grade. 546 00:33:49,268 --> 00:33:53,893 We're harvesting data, and we're harvesting carbon and nitrogen. 547 00:33:54,032 --> 00:33:55,964 And all of those are different crops. 548 00:33:56,103 --> 00:33:59,278 You have a crop fail, you've got many, many different things 549 00:33:59,416 --> 00:34:00,969 you can sell year-round, right? 550 00:34:01,108 --> 00:34:04,283 I'm going to move a little bit. 551 00:34:04,421 --> 00:34:09,461 Dad's last operating note at the bank was 24% interest. 552 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:12,636 And then, he was starting to see that it was taking 553 00:34:12,774 --> 00:34:17,469 greater and greater amounts of inputs to produce less and less outputs. 554 00:34:17,607 --> 00:34:21,300 So, at the same time he was getting his economic lesson, 555 00:34:21,438 --> 00:34:25,166 he was getting this agronomic lesson in soil health. 556 00:34:25,304 --> 00:34:31,138 40 years later, we understand that model of economics, and we don't want any part of it. 557 00:34:31,276 --> 00:34:37,454 We're a 12-month operation, so we've been able to cash flow without an operating note, 558 00:34:37,592 --> 00:34:41,251 just because that we're selling 12 months of the year. 559 00:34:43,460 --> 00:34:45,566 We met this guy by the name 560 00:34:45,704 --> 00:34:47,602 of Jean Louis Palladin, 561 00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:49,121 who said, basically, 562 00:34:49,259 --> 00:34:52,193 "I yearn for the produce of Europe, 563 00:34:52,331 --> 00:34:55,058 because your produce here tastes like nothing!" 564 00:34:55,196 --> 00:35:00,028 And he said, "There are enough of us chefs that will support you 565 00:35:00,167 --> 00:35:05,448 if you do this the right way, because it will taste good." 566 00:35:05,586 --> 00:35:08,313 We are indebted to him forever, 567 00:35:08,451 --> 00:35:10,798 for hurting our feelings so badly. 568 00:35:10,936 --> 00:35:14,112 He's one of the ones we all really miss. 569 00:35:14,250 --> 00:35:18,185 Absolutely. But he started a revolution. 570 00:35:18,323 --> 00:35:19,910 What we didn't understand was, 571 00:35:20,048 --> 00:35:26,054 as we researched how do we grow really great-tasting vegetables, 572 00:35:26,193 --> 00:35:29,679 we had no idea that we were bringing nutrition along for the ride. 573 00:35:29,817 --> 00:35:34,925 And the medical community is taking note of our work 574 00:35:35,063 --> 00:35:38,377 and the work of many, many other regenerative farms, 575 00:35:38,515 --> 00:35:41,346 who are growing healthy crops 576 00:35:41,484 --> 00:35:46,144 and raising the body's ability to defend itself from disease. 577 00:35:46,282 --> 00:35:50,769 I often wonder what our country would look like 578 00:35:50,907 --> 00:35:54,082 had we made a different choice in 1948. 579 00:35:54,221 --> 00:35:58,052 What if we had decided we were going to have the most nutritious food? 580 00:35:58,190 --> 00:36:01,435 From 1940 to 2000, we've lost 40% of the nutritive value 581 00:36:01,573 --> 00:36:04,092 of the food we grow in this country. 582 00:36:04,231 --> 00:36:08,166 Now, we have the highest per capita spending of healthcare 583 00:36:08,304 --> 00:36:10,237 of any industrialized nation in the world, 584 00:36:10,375 --> 00:36:12,480 because we have the lowest per capita spending 585 00:36:12,618 --> 00:36:15,552 on food of any industrialized nation in the world. 586 00:36:15,690 --> 00:36:18,831 The big picture is that what this system has been generating 587 00:36:18,969 --> 00:36:22,110 has been sanctioning the concentration of wealth 588 00:36:22,249 --> 00:36:24,803 in the very few large monopolies 589 00:36:24,941 --> 00:36:27,495 and sanctioning the production of junk food, 590 00:36:27,633 --> 00:36:32,466 which happens to be very profitable for the food industry 591 00:36:32,604 --> 00:36:35,779 but horrible for the health of the entire population. 592 00:36:37,747 --> 00:36:42,303 After World War II, chain restaurants began to proliferate. 593 00:36:42,441 --> 00:36:43,960 Everybody loved them, but they used 594 00:36:44,098 --> 00:36:46,618 inexpensive labor and low-quality ingredients 595 00:36:46,756 --> 00:36:50,863 that came straight out of the industrialized farming system. 596 00:36:51,001 --> 00:36:54,073 These fast-food corporations made huge profits 597 00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:59,251 offering cheap food, and they became symbols of American culture. 598 00:36:59,389 --> 00:37:02,737 We exported them all over the world. 599 00:37:05,568 --> 00:37:09,882 COVID revealed the fragility of independent restaurants. 600 00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:12,851 One in five look likely to close, 601 00:37:12,989 --> 00:37:17,027 and I worry that the chain restaurants are going to gobble up the real estate. 602 00:37:23,033 --> 00:37:26,105 The workload seems already better. 603 00:37:26,244 --> 00:37:27,728 What do you guys think? 604 00:37:31,456 --> 00:37:32,457 I feel like... 605 00:37:32,595 --> 00:37:34,735 It feels like it's the same. 606 00:37:34,873 --> 00:37:39,360 They had all sacrificed and been in quarantine, never got out of quarantine. 607 00:37:39,498 --> 00:37:42,190 And then we had to compete with places opening. 608 00:37:42,329 --> 00:37:46,988 I talked to my team, I said, like, "This isn't working, we're not going to survive." 609 00:37:47,126 --> 00:37:49,439 And that's the first time I felt that, ever. 610 00:37:49,577 --> 00:37:51,786 You know, I think I've been in the system so long 611 00:37:51,924 --> 00:37:53,995 where I just have to be like, you have to be humble. 612 00:37:54,133 --> 00:37:57,516 You have to just work twice as hard and charge half as much, 613 00:37:57,654 --> 00:37:59,587 because you're a woman and you're an immigrant. 614 00:37:59,725 --> 00:38:03,142 And they're just like, "Oh, my God, we've all worked in fine dining." 615 00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:05,524 "You would charge $40 for this." 616 00:38:05,662 --> 00:38:09,183 "And we need to, because you're not being fair to us." 617 00:38:09,321 --> 00:38:11,875 "You expect us to work all the stations, 618 00:38:12,013 --> 00:38:15,154 do all the things, and then you charge $13?" 619 00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:18,951 "Like, come on," and I think it's a culture where people 620 00:38:19,089 --> 00:38:20,884 really don't want to pay a lot for food. 621 00:38:21,022 --> 00:38:27,995 But I don't know that you can have your standards and try and do cheap food. 622 00:38:28,133 --> 00:38:29,721 I mean... 623 00:38:29,859 --> 00:38:34,070 I mean, because you're using really high-quality ingredients. 624 00:38:34,208 --> 00:38:37,038 Your food is very labor intensive. 625 00:38:37,176 --> 00:38:39,247 Should I just become a fine dining restaurant? 626 00:38:39,386 --> 00:38:40,766 I mean, this is... I mean, this is... 627 00:38:40,904 --> 00:38:43,804 I think you have the answers for me, Ruth. 628 00:38:43,942 --> 00:38:45,046 Uh... 629 00:38:46,496 --> 00:38:49,396 Maybe you should, um... and then the question is, 630 00:38:49,534 --> 00:38:51,639 are people going to go to fine dining restaurants? 631 00:38:51,777 --> 00:38:54,401 I mean, a lot of the fine dining chefs I'm speaking to 632 00:38:54,539 --> 00:38:57,749 are saying, "I don't think I'm going to reopen as a fine dining restaurant." 633 00:38:57,887 --> 00:39:02,340 I mean, it just doesn't seem to make sense in this particular moment. 634 00:39:09,657 --> 00:39:11,866 You can't really be defensive right now, 635 00:39:12,004 --> 00:39:13,937 and you can't wait for the cavalry to come. 636 00:39:14,075 --> 00:39:15,801 You have to scale it to a point 637 00:39:15,939 --> 00:39:18,390 where it's like you're feeding an army for it to work out. 638 00:39:18,528 --> 00:39:22,256 I started going like, "Hey, what are we going to do for Thanksgiving?" 639 00:39:22,394 --> 00:39:25,121 We paid up and bought a couple thousand turkeys. 640 00:39:25,259 --> 00:39:28,262 I mean, how many pounds of stuffing are you going to make, Grant? 641 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,748 - Uh, five thousand. - Are you serious? 642 00:39:31,886 --> 00:39:34,130 Five thousand pounds of stuffing? 643 00:39:34,268 --> 00:39:38,237 I mean, I think thinking the way you do is frightening to people. 644 00:39:38,376 --> 00:39:40,136 You're taking a lot of risks. 645 00:39:40,274 --> 00:39:42,138 I disagree. So there's like... 646 00:39:42,276 --> 00:39:44,899 There's risk and then there's being risky. 647 00:39:45,037 --> 00:39:47,868 So, I guess you're taking risk, but risk is like, 648 00:39:48,006 --> 00:39:51,458 you used it in a pejorative way, right, like risk is bad. 649 00:39:51,596 --> 00:39:53,943 No, I'm, I'm not. 650 00:39:54,081 --> 00:39:55,220 I mean, I think what I'm learning 651 00:39:55,358 --> 00:39:58,913 in all this reporting I'm doing is, 652 00:39:59,051 --> 00:40:01,122 I'm starting to understand risk. 653 00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:03,677 I mean, farmers, more than anybody, I mean, 654 00:40:03,815 --> 00:40:06,334 for their whole lives it's about managing risk. 655 00:40:06,473 --> 00:40:09,199 That's why they're so great to deal with. 656 00:40:09,337 --> 00:40:12,479 - Because they understand it intuitively. - Yeah. 657 00:40:12,617 --> 00:40:17,173 So, right after this, I've actually got a phone call 658 00:40:17,311 --> 00:40:19,831 with a really forward-thinking farm. 659 00:40:19,969 --> 00:40:22,212 White Oak Pastures, it's in Georgia. 660 00:40:22,350 --> 00:40:24,491 They're a carbon-negative farm. 661 00:40:24,629 --> 00:40:27,252 I called them last week with no reason. 662 00:40:27,390 --> 00:40:30,048 Like, I made up a reason to call them, because I was in a bad mood. 663 00:40:30,186 --> 00:40:33,396 And I was just like, "I need to talk to somebody positive right now." 664 00:40:33,534 --> 00:40:37,365 Completely the cultural opposite of where we live, 665 00:40:37,504 --> 00:40:40,299 and yet, like, I'm like, why is someone 666 00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:42,819 not making a documentary about these people? 667 00:41:06,291 --> 00:41:11,158 I mean, I'd like to get those south, catch them in the triangle. 668 00:41:11,296 --> 00:41:14,610 And then shoot them down, maybe to Bermuda Bend. 669 00:41:14,748 --> 00:41:18,993 I'll check with Tyler to make sure their fencing ain't going to be in the way. 670 00:41:19,131 --> 00:41:25,344 I wanted to talk to you about, what got you on this path, 671 00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:27,933 and whether it's possible for other people. 672 00:41:28,071 --> 00:41:32,213 You know, 25 years ago, I didn't say, "The food system is not resilient, 673 00:41:32,351 --> 00:41:34,595 I think I'll work on making it resilient." 674 00:41:34,733 --> 00:41:36,079 That did not happen. 675 00:41:36,217 --> 00:41:39,220 I am the fourth generation of my family 676 00:41:39,358 --> 00:41:42,292 to raise animals on this farm in Bluffton, Georgia. 677 00:41:42,430 --> 00:41:47,953 And my father started the process of industrializing, 678 00:41:48,091 --> 00:41:51,163 commoditizing, and centralizing this farm. 679 00:41:51,301 --> 00:41:54,857 I farmed that way for 20 years. 680 00:41:54,995 --> 00:41:56,375 In the mid-'90s, 681 00:41:56,514 --> 00:41:59,171 I found that I had become disillusioned 682 00:41:59,309 --> 00:42:01,898 with the excesses of that farming system. 683 00:42:02,036 --> 00:42:05,868 So I started just very gradually moving away from it. 684 00:42:06,006 --> 00:42:10,631 For me, the first canary in the coal mine 685 00:42:10,769 --> 00:42:13,151 was animal welfare. 686 00:42:13,289 --> 00:42:18,397 Really, it's incumbent upon me, as the herdsman, 687 00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:23,541 to give the animals the opportunity to express instinctive behavior. 688 00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:26,751 And you can't do that in the confinement model. 689 00:42:26,889 --> 00:42:31,410 These cattle out here, walking and grazing is instinctive behavior. 690 00:42:31,549 --> 00:42:35,311 Those chickens right there, scratching and pecking is instinctive behavior. 691 00:42:35,449 --> 00:42:38,590 Those hogs in that swamp over there that's rooting and wallowing, 692 00:42:38,728 --> 00:42:40,316 that's instinctive behavior. 693 00:42:40,454 --> 00:42:45,010 Over a 20-year period, the organic matter in our soil 694 00:42:45,148 --> 00:42:48,669 has gone from about half a percent to five percent. 695 00:42:48,807 --> 00:42:53,847 And by the way, all that carbon came from greenhouse gasses that used to be up there, 696 00:42:53,985 --> 00:42:58,127 that got, through photosynthesis and microbial activity and animal activity, 697 00:42:58,265 --> 00:42:59,991 got marooned in the soil. 698 00:43:00,129 --> 00:43:03,235 I saw my land go from a dead mineral medium 699 00:43:03,373 --> 00:43:07,481 to an organic medium that's teeming with life. 700 00:43:07,619 --> 00:43:10,967 Everything is tied to everything else. 701 00:43:11,105 --> 00:43:13,349 I don't think of this farm as a factory. 702 00:43:13,487 --> 00:43:16,076 I think of it as an organism. 703 00:43:19,527 --> 00:43:23,946 We're at a turning point in this business, as far as I'm concerned. 704 00:43:24,084 --> 00:43:25,844 It is a broken pricing system. 705 00:43:25,982 --> 00:43:27,535 Call where you do business 706 00:43:27,674 --> 00:43:30,331 and ask them to call the senators and representatives. 707 00:43:30,469 --> 00:43:35,026 Sign that petition, stand up for your rights. We are bringing attention to it. 708 00:43:35,164 --> 00:43:38,029 So, if there is one thing you could explain 709 00:43:38,167 --> 00:43:41,722 to the American consumer about your business, what would it be? 710 00:43:41,860 --> 00:43:45,346 I would like the American consumer to understand that 711 00:43:45,484 --> 00:43:49,385 the person that does all the work and has all the investment 712 00:43:49,523 --> 00:43:54,735 is doing it literally for nothing, and the middlemen are getting all the money. 713 00:43:56,461 --> 00:43:57,945 The system's so monopolized. 714 00:43:58,083 --> 00:44:00,327 This packer takes these yards, 715 00:44:00,465 --> 00:44:03,123 and this packer takes this area of this state. 716 00:44:03,261 --> 00:44:06,540 And nobody else comes in and messes with them. 717 00:44:06,678 --> 00:44:09,094 I mean, how would it work, in your dream world? 718 00:44:09,232 --> 00:44:14,755 I would like them to break up the Big Four, like we did in 1917. 719 00:44:14,893 --> 00:44:19,933 I would like to start with the two that are majority foreign-owned. 720 00:44:20,071 --> 00:44:24,454 I want government to police a level playing field. 721 00:44:24,592 --> 00:44:29,667 Then let us fight it out on the economies of scale and efficiency among ourselves, 722 00:44:29,805 --> 00:44:32,290 and let the best people win and stay in business. 723 00:44:32,428 --> 00:44:34,050 That's America. 724 00:44:34,188 --> 00:44:35,949 Perhaps the most important person 725 00:44:36,087 --> 00:44:39,918 for the continued sustainability and viability of American agriculture 726 00:44:40,056 --> 00:44:42,783 and the welfare of the American farmer 727 00:44:42,921 --> 00:44:45,959 is not the Secretary of Agriculture, but is in fact 728 00:44:46,097 --> 00:44:50,066 who is in the Department of Justice and their antitrust regulatory unit. 729 00:44:50,204 --> 00:44:54,381 That person is going to matter a lot as to whether or not we get an ever more concentrated, 730 00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:56,314 more consolidated food system, 731 00:44:56,452 --> 00:44:59,938 or start paying farmers more fairly for the products that they produce. 732 00:45:00,076 --> 00:45:04,771 I would like to have smaller beef plants every 300, 400 miles. 733 00:45:04,909 --> 00:45:10,466 If one went down, it would be two, three percent of the daily slaughter, not 15%. 734 00:45:10,604 --> 00:45:13,193 I would like producers to own those packing plants. 735 00:45:13,331 --> 00:45:17,991 I think that would be better for states and communities and producers. 736 00:45:26,827 --> 00:45:30,072 Do you still have to depend on the big packing companies? 737 00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:32,799 Well, ultimately I made the choice 738 00:45:32,937 --> 00:45:35,940 to build slaughterhouses on my farm, 739 00:45:36,078 --> 00:45:38,114 which at that time was unheard of. 740 00:45:38,252 --> 00:45:42,601 I was blessed, I had equity, I was left the farm, I was not hand-to-mouth. 741 00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:45,294 So I could lose money for a while, and I did. 742 00:45:45,432 --> 00:45:49,436 And now I have about $7.2 million invested 743 00:45:49,574 --> 00:45:54,165 in further processing infrastructure. 744 00:45:54,303 --> 00:45:56,926 You know, the front side of my card says, 745 00:45:57,064 --> 00:46:00,274 "land steward and herdsman." 746 00:46:00,412 --> 00:46:04,278 It don't say "meat processor," cuz I don't like that part. 747 00:46:04,416 --> 00:46:07,937 It don't say "marketer," cuz I don't like that part. 748 00:46:08,075 --> 00:46:11,251 So... but I'm all those things. 749 00:46:11,389 --> 00:46:15,634 How big do you envision White Oak Pastures becoming? 750 00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:19,777 What we do here is not highly scalable. 751 00:46:19,915 --> 00:46:21,709 But it's highly replicatable. 752 00:46:21,848 --> 00:46:26,853 There could and should be one or two or three White Oak Pastures 753 00:46:26,991 --> 00:46:30,822 in every agricultural county in this country. 754 00:46:33,445 --> 00:46:35,171 It's an amazing thing that you do, 755 00:46:35,309 --> 00:46:39,210 where you train people to farm the way you do. 756 00:46:39,348 --> 00:46:45,009 So I believe in scale, but it's not scale through size, it's scale through replication. 757 00:46:45,147 --> 00:46:48,357 What made you start GreenWave? 758 00:46:48,495 --> 00:46:50,290 I was doing well with kelp, 759 00:46:50,428 --> 00:46:54,432 and so GreenWave was the way to just create this organization, 760 00:46:54,570 --> 00:46:59,368 which is built on sharing, on building knowledge networks. 761 00:46:59,506 --> 00:47:02,129 Our backs are against the wall, we have to innovate. 762 00:47:02,267 --> 00:47:04,856 We've got a program called Project GreenWave, 763 00:47:04,994 --> 00:47:09,240 where we hire inner-city kids to package, cook, process all of our food. 764 00:47:09,378 --> 00:47:12,588 They learn about 3D farming, they learn about sustainability. 765 00:47:12,726 --> 00:47:16,626 I was getting pressured to become, like, the kelp king, right? 766 00:47:16,764 --> 00:47:19,146 And everybody was like, "franchise your model," 767 00:47:19,284 --> 00:47:21,424 and, like, all these sharks from Wall Street were coming 768 00:47:21,562 --> 00:47:24,911 and telling me that there was huge opportunities. 769 00:47:25,049 --> 00:47:27,741 And, I mean, what's my metric to success? 770 00:47:27,879 --> 00:47:33,885 It's having 10,000 climate resilient farmers on the ocean. 771 00:47:34,023 --> 00:47:35,783 Like, that'll make me die happy. 772 00:47:35,922 --> 00:47:38,856 It started out, this little kind of tiny, you know, 773 00:47:38,994 --> 00:47:41,099 we're training eight, ten farmers a year, 774 00:47:41,237 --> 00:47:44,482 southern New England, really small, so that's what it was going to be. 775 00:47:44,620 --> 00:47:49,004 And then 8,000 people signed up for farmer training on the website. 776 00:47:49,142 --> 00:47:53,180 When people think regenerative ocean farming, hopefully this would be their starting place. 777 00:47:53,318 --> 00:47:57,081 It's really interesting, because every restaurant in America 778 00:47:57,219 --> 00:47:59,014 is complaining that they can't get workers, 779 00:47:59,152 --> 00:48:01,740 because people just don't want to do bad jobs anymore. 780 00:48:01,879 --> 00:48:05,952 I mean, God forbid we gave people a taste of agency 781 00:48:06,090 --> 00:48:07,125 and beauty. 782 00:48:07,263 --> 00:48:09,887 Right? Whoops! 783 00:48:10,025 --> 00:48:12,993 Like, wow, that's really too bad. 784 00:48:15,099 --> 00:48:17,964 There are a lot of people who are questioning, 785 00:48:18,102 --> 00:48:20,932 do they want to go back to things the way they used to be, 786 00:48:21,070 --> 00:48:22,761 and you're offering an alternative. 787 00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:26,213 And it's so funny, people from all over the industry are emailing me, 788 00:48:26,351 --> 00:48:29,907 like all of a sudden I've become like an expert on co-ops, and I'm not. 789 00:48:30,045 --> 00:48:31,805 You know, I'm just learning. 790 00:48:31,943 --> 00:48:35,464 I have to figure it out, so that other people can follow suit. 791 00:48:35,602 --> 00:48:37,086 But people are interested. 792 00:48:39,399 --> 00:48:43,023 Food is a gateway for learning about so many things, 793 00:48:43,161 --> 00:48:47,786 from culture to the way that communities have survived, 794 00:48:47,925 --> 00:48:49,961 to the way that we build community. 795 00:48:50,099 --> 00:48:54,103 And it really wasn't just about feeding myself, I learned. 796 00:48:54,241 --> 00:48:55,967 It was about feeding others. 797 00:48:56,105 --> 00:49:00,523 It was like in feeding others that I felt satiated. 798 00:49:02,249 --> 00:49:04,734 Restaurants are more than just restaurants. 799 00:49:04,872 --> 00:49:11,707 We are these third spaces that are just more than a transaction. 800 00:49:11,845 --> 00:49:15,228 I love restaurants, I hope they continue to exist. 801 00:49:15,366 --> 00:49:19,611 But I feel like a lot more people have to reimagine what hospitality looks like. 802 00:49:19,749 --> 00:49:22,097 The, like, true meaning of the word. 803 00:49:25,272 --> 00:49:27,343 My parents didn't care about food, 804 00:49:27,481 --> 00:49:29,173 but they loved restaurants. 805 00:49:29,311 --> 00:49:31,761 We went out to eat a lot. 806 00:49:31,899 --> 00:49:36,007 My father was German, and he was 26 when he came to America. 807 00:49:36,145 --> 00:49:37,802 We lived near Luchow's, 808 00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:41,012 and we went to Luchow's at least once a week when I was growing up. 809 00:49:41,150 --> 00:49:45,844 And I saw with that that it was how my father went home. 810 00:49:45,983 --> 00:49:49,641 My father's office was above one of those little French restaurants 811 00:49:49,779 --> 00:49:51,471 in New York called the Dubonnet. 812 00:49:51,609 --> 00:49:55,751 And we had a waiter, Max, who was our waiter, 813 00:49:55,889 --> 00:49:59,272 and my parents were always in a good mood when we went there. 814 00:49:59,410 --> 00:50:01,101 Max would take me into the kitchen 815 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,312 and get me to learn what spices tasted like. 816 00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:11,422 And that was just a place that I loved and felt really happy in. 817 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:17,738 And my mother was enchanted with Restaurant Associates' Joe Baum. 818 00:50:17,876 --> 00:50:23,123 Joe Baum was the great maestro of American restaurants in the '50s and '60s. 819 00:50:23,261 --> 00:50:26,195 I mean, he invented the Four Seasons restaurant, 820 00:50:26,333 --> 00:50:28,508 the Twelve Caesars, La Fonda del Sol. 821 00:50:28,646 --> 00:50:32,236 He redid the Rainbow Room. I mean, he did these restaurants as drama. 822 00:50:32,374 --> 00:50:36,654 Joe Baum is the one who brought the large peppermill to the table, 823 00:50:36,792 --> 00:50:40,106 and also is responsible for, "Hi, my name is..." 824 00:50:40,244 --> 00:50:43,764 He was a showman, and my mother loved his restaurants. 825 00:50:43,902 --> 00:50:47,906 And we couldn't afford to go to places like the Four Seasons, 826 00:50:48,045 --> 00:50:49,943 but we would go and have a drink, 827 00:50:50,081 --> 00:50:53,740 and then we would go to the Automat or something for dinner afterwards. 828 00:50:55,776 --> 00:51:01,437 So I thought of restaurants as places that connected you to home, 829 00:51:01,575 --> 00:51:04,751 places where people were happy, 830 00:51:04,889 --> 00:51:09,376 and places that gave you a chance to be someone else for a while. 831 00:51:09,514 --> 00:51:13,380 I mean, I watched my mother walk into the Four Seasons, and she was just... 832 00:51:13,518 --> 00:51:17,074 you know, she was a rich woman for a little while. 833 00:51:17,212 --> 00:51:18,661 The funny thing is, 834 00:51:18,799 --> 00:51:21,112 when I got to the New York Times as a restaurant critic, 835 00:51:21,250 --> 00:51:25,012 my job was actually to eat at many of these expensive places. 836 00:51:25,151 --> 00:51:28,878 I wanted to keep my identity a secret, 837 00:51:29,016 --> 00:51:32,296 so I invented various personalities. 838 00:51:32,434 --> 00:51:34,056 This is not the real Ruth that we're seeing. 839 00:51:34,194 --> 00:51:36,472 No, I actually do not have carrot-red hair. 840 00:51:36,610 --> 00:51:39,786 When you go to restaurants as a critic, are you disguised? 841 00:51:39,924 --> 00:51:42,478 - Yes, but-- - All the time? - Not all the time. 842 00:51:42,616 --> 00:51:46,448 When I first got to New York, I went to Le Cirque. 843 00:51:46,586 --> 00:51:50,935 And everybody went there, all the ex-presidents went there, it was a big scene. 844 00:51:51,073 --> 00:51:53,627 I wrote one review as the restaurant critic 845 00:51:53,765 --> 00:51:55,767 of the New York Times, and what happens, 846 00:51:55,905 --> 00:52:00,462 and I wrote another review as Ms. Nobody. 847 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,878 He had had four stars. I took a star away. 848 00:52:03,016 --> 00:52:07,193 I said, "The food was very good, but you cannot treat people that way." 849 00:52:07,331 --> 00:52:09,160 There's still this voice inside me saying, 850 00:52:09,298 --> 00:52:13,164 "Yeah, but all you're really doing is telling rich people where to go eat." 851 00:52:13,302 --> 00:52:16,892 And, um, if I had thought 852 00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:20,309 that was all I had done with my life, it would make me very sad. 853 00:52:31,078 --> 00:52:33,253 When my husband's dad was farming, 854 00:52:33,391 --> 00:52:36,014 they did the oats and the wheats and the pearl millets. 855 00:52:36,153 --> 00:52:37,740 And we just got away from it. 856 00:52:37,878 --> 00:52:40,709 And using chemistry to take care of our weed problems. 857 00:52:40,847 --> 00:52:45,369 So, I'm guessing that you were the one who wanted to go organic. 858 00:52:47,371 --> 00:52:49,545 Yes, it makes all the sense in the world. 859 00:52:49,683 --> 00:52:52,997 It's just, it's very scary, because we don't farm like that. 860 00:52:53,135 --> 00:52:54,826 Well, you were ahead of your time. 861 00:52:54,964 --> 00:52:57,174 I don't know if my family thought so. 862 00:52:57,312 --> 00:52:59,348 - I got a list. - A list? 863 00:52:59,486 --> 00:53:00,522 I do. 864 00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:01,868 Okay, so last year, 865 00:53:02,006 --> 00:53:04,526 the field that had the greatest contribution margin 866 00:53:04,664 --> 00:53:06,113 was the organic. 867 00:53:06,252 --> 00:53:10,048 The field that had one of the lowest yields was the organic. 868 00:53:10,187 --> 00:53:11,774 So it's not all about yield. 869 00:53:11,912 --> 00:53:16,123 My husband and I struggle a lot, because he's a numbers man, 870 00:53:16,262 --> 00:53:19,955 and it's all about yield, and how much money you're going to make. 871 00:53:20,093 --> 00:53:25,616 Whereas like, well, maybe if you got your soils in a little better condition, 872 00:53:25,754 --> 00:53:27,756 you would get that yield that you want. 873 00:53:27,894 --> 00:53:30,103 It was bad, I can tell. 874 00:53:30,241 --> 00:53:32,416 It didn't tank. 875 00:53:33,555 --> 00:53:34,901 It wasn't perfect. 876 00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:36,247 Okay, next thing. 877 00:53:36,385 --> 00:53:37,455 It takes time, 878 00:53:37,593 --> 00:53:39,285 and that's a huge problem with farmers, 879 00:53:39,423 --> 00:53:42,253 that they want everything in that one-season window, 880 00:53:42,391 --> 00:53:44,324 and it doesn't work that way with soil health. 881 00:53:44,462 --> 00:53:49,674 The only thing I was wanting to bring up was goals. 882 00:53:49,812 --> 00:53:53,471 Because I don't think we're all on the same page in that, and I think it'll help. 883 00:53:53,609 --> 00:53:58,235 It's a tough road. We've had a lot of heated discussions. 884 00:53:59,546 --> 00:54:02,825 We would not be organic if I hadn't done it myself. 885 00:54:02,963 --> 00:54:04,413 I planted the field. 886 00:54:04,551 --> 00:54:07,865 I mean, I made sure it got in that year. 887 00:54:08,003 --> 00:54:13,319 You know, it's their name that gets run through the mud if things go bad. 888 00:54:13,457 --> 00:54:15,562 It's not the wives, it's the guy. 889 00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:19,497 They can't separate themselves, where we can go hide in our kitchen. 890 00:54:36,618 --> 00:54:40,967 This is a family business, but it's not just our family. 891 00:54:41,105 --> 00:54:45,316 You know, we have 120 families that I'm responsible for. 892 00:54:45,454 --> 00:54:49,527 And we have an amazing crew of seasonal staff, 893 00:54:49,665 --> 00:54:55,153 many whom have been with us for over 25 years. 894 00:54:55,292 --> 00:54:58,398 And I have been keenly aware 895 00:54:58,536 --> 00:55:03,023 of attempts at immigration reform over the past 30 years. 896 00:55:03,161 --> 00:55:06,303 H-2A is a visa program we use here on the farm, 897 00:55:06,441 --> 00:55:10,893 and it is the only legal avenue we have 898 00:55:11,031 --> 00:55:14,380 for seasonal agricultural workers in the United States. 899 00:55:14,518 --> 00:55:17,486 Americans will not do this work. 900 00:55:17,624 --> 00:55:20,317 We're either going to have foreign folks 901 00:55:20,455 --> 00:55:23,320 and allow them to come in and do this type of work, 902 00:55:23,458 --> 00:55:26,875 or we'll round up all 11 million undocumented, 903 00:55:27,013 --> 00:55:29,981 we'll send them all back, we'll seal up the border, 904 00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:32,708 and then we will import all of our food, 905 00:55:32,846 --> 00:55:37,230 from where the wage is $6 to $8 a day. 906 00:55:37,368 --> 00:55:40,095 And then we compete with that here. 907 00:55:40,233 --> 00:55:42,408 That model doesn't work. 908 00:55:42,546 --> 00:55:47,067 Society has to make some of these choices. 909 00:55:47,205 --> 00:55:52,038 Are we willing to pay more for quality food that we know is grown right, 910 00:55:52,176 --> 00:55:55,593 and socially responsible, or not? 911 00:55:55,731 --> 00:55:58,251 So, what's important? Make a choice. 912 00:56:00,909 --> 00:56:06,639 Families lined up to get fresh farm food outside of the Maplewood YMCA yesterday. 913 00:56:06,777 --> 00:56:09,055 It's all part of a program through the USDA. 914 00:56:09,193 --> 00:56:12,576 And the hope is to ease the pandemic's burden on families, 915 00:56:12,714 --> 00:56:16,131 and getting farmers' produce where it's needed. 916 00:56:16,269 --> 00:56:19,134 The USDA Farm to Families Program right now 917 00:56:19,272 --> 00:56:22,482 is providing an unbelievable help on cash flow. 918 00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:28,108 If we had not gotten those contracts, we would have had to furlough more people. 919 00:56:29,869 --> 00:56:34,287 This is buying time to allow the restaurants to come back. 920 00:56:34,425 --> 00:56:37,635 We're waiting to see if we get a renewal on the new program. 921 00:56:37,773 --> 00:56:39,430 I can't imagine you won't. 922 00:56:39,568 --> 00:56:43,261 Until I have that contract in my hand, I'm not sleeping well. 923 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,714 So if you don't get the contract, will you have to furlough people? 924 00:56:47,852 --> 00:56:49,406 Yes. 925 00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:58,967 You're on hiatus for a bit. 926 00:56:59,105 --> 00:57:01,314 We're not opening, you know, the doors to our place, 927 00:57:01,452 --> 00:57:03,109 you know, we don't have an outdoor space. 928 00:57:03,247 --> 00:57:05,698 But I actually have something really exciting to share. 929 00:57:05,836 --> 00:57:10,703 We're looking at an outdoor venue to do a pop-up. Come on and follow me. 930 00:57:10,841 --> 00:57:16,709 Once they're in here, there'll be someone here to give them their amuse and their cocktails. 931 00:57:16,847 --> 00:57:20,160 Remind them not to mingle with other people. 932 00:57:23,267 --> 00:57:24,751 So that's our dining room. 933 00:57:24,889 --> 00:57:27,340 You guys follow me, this is where we're going to meet. 934 00:57:28,962 --> 00:57:31,206 I do want to be more grown-up than Porridge & Puffs. 935 00:57:31,344 --> 00:57:33,657 I do want it to be a tiny little bit more formal. 936 00:57:33,795 --> 00:57:35,003 But we have to be warm. 937 00:57:35,141 --> 00:57:37,315 Never, ever, ever be aloof. 938 00:57:37,454 --> 00:57:41,872 I love fine dining, but my biggest complaint is, it's always so sterile. 939 00:57:42,010 --> 00:57:47,015 We can be cerebral and smart and warm at the same time. 940 00:57:54,712 --> 00:57:57,474 Let me ask you a practical question. 941 00:57:57,612 --> 00:57:58,889 Sure, yes. 942 00:57:59,027 --> 00:58:01,995 How do you get more farms 943 00:58:02,133 --> 00:58:04,101 by Black people in New York state? 944 00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:05,999 Okay, easy question. 945 00:58:06,137 --> 00:58:08,381 I tell people, give us three things. 946 00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:11,073 Give us the opportunity to farm, 947 00:58:11,211 --> 00:58:13,662 give us the land to farm, 948 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,735 give us the capital and resources to farm. 949 00:58:17,873 --> 00:58:23,051 Where I farm now, the Chester Agricultural Center, perfect example. 950 00:58:23,189 --> 00:58:26,710 My farm, Rise & Root Farm, we have three acres of land. 951 00:58:26,848 --> 00:58:30,541 We grow food, we have farm tours, we have school groups. 952 00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:34,200 People from the city come up to see four women-- 953 00:58:34,338 --> 00:58:39,826 two are women of color, two are white, three of us are LGBTQ women. 954 00:58:39,964 --> 00:58:44,175 And so we run the gamut of what America looks like. 955 00:58:45,625 --> 00:58:48,801 I run a low-income farmer's market in the Bronx. 956 00:58:48,939 --> 00:58:50,872 We're going into our 19th year. 957 00:58:51,010 --> 00:58:53,426 And it took a long time, first of all, 958 00:58:53,564 --> 00:58:57,050 to build trust with the people in my neighborhood, 959 00:58:57,188 --> 00:58:59,536 because in a low-income neighborhood, 960 00:58:59,674 --> 00:59:03,850 there is the soup kitchens and food pantries, 961 00:59:03,988 --> 00:59:08,061 the fast food, the processed food, the junk food. 962 00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:13,411 Then I had to educate that I'm the farmer, I grew the food, 963 00:59:13,550 --> 00:59:17,450 and I have to pay bills, and I have to feed my family, 964 00:59:17,588 --> 00:59:19,176 and I have to buy the seeds. 965 00:59:19,314 --> 00:59:21,903 And so there's a cost and value of food. 966 00:59:22,041 --> 00:59:24,491 Because no one talks to them about that. 967 00:59:28,772 --> 00:59:31,775 I mean, the costs are going to be huge 968 00:59:31,913 --> 00:59:34,674 if we plant the product and the restaurants aren't ramped up. 969 00:59:34,812 --> 00:59:37,884 It's a matter of trying to time... you know? 970 00:59:38,022 --> 00:59:39,852 Well, we're going to plant as if they are open, 971 00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:42,648 and if they're not open, we're going to take it on the chin. 972 00:59:42,786 --> 00:59:46,444 Last time we spoke, you were waiting to hear whether or not 973 00:59:46,583 --> 00:59:52,243 you were going to get back into the Farmer to Families Program. 974 00:59:52,381 --> 00:59:53,866 - Mm-hm. - Did you? 975 00:59:54,004 --> 00:59:55,764 - No. - You're kidding. 976 00:59:55,902 --> 00:59:57,973 No. 977 00:59:58,111 --> 01:00:03,427 USDA came in and said, "the only box offer that we'll take is a combination box." 978 01:00:03,565 --> 01:00:08,915 Sysco got 32 states. Yeah, all the small guys got shut out. 979 01:00:16,992 --> 01:00:20,789 The fresh produce that they're getting in the boxes that I saw 980 01:00:20,927 --> 01:00:23,896 were a bag of apples and a bag of potatoes. 981 01:00:24,034 --> 01:00:27,900 They were getting fresh, leafy greens from us. So we're out. 982 01:00:28,038 --> 01:00:30,868 But this is supposed to be bailing farmers out. 983 01:00:31,006 --> 01:00:33,871 I mean, it's not supposed to be bailing Sysco out. 984 01:00:34,009 --> 01:00:37,944 - Right. - Things are driving me crazy, I'm taking them off. 985 01:00:38,082 --> 01:00:41,361 You know, we were really counting on that contract, 986 01:00:41,499 --> 01:00:44,779 to do what the program really intended. 987 01:00:44,917 --> 01:00:48,058 Farm to Families Food Box Program. 988 01:00:48,196 --> 01:00:51,475 Help the farm, help those families... 989 01:00:51,613 --> 01:00:53,166 and then they changed it. 990 01:00:53,304 --> 01:00:55,513 In this last round of food boxes, 991 01:00:55,652 --> 01:01:00,587 if you do not include the letter from Donald Trump 992 01:01:00,726 --> 01:01:03,521 and the White House in the box, you don't get paid. 993 01:01:03,660 --> 01:01:07,491 - No. - The letter has to be included in the box. 994 01:01:07,629 --> 01:01:09,493 It's a disaster. 995 01:01:11,495 --> 01:01:14,394 We were counting on that, so we planted up for that. 996 01:01:14,532 --> 01:01:17,535 We have to make a decision as to how much to leave in the field. 997 01:01:17,674 --> 01:01:22,782 We cannot spend the dollars, because we don't have them right now, to harvest that 998 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,716 and store it and then throw it away. 999 01:01:25,854 --> 01:01:31,135 We have several million people in New York City alone that are going to bed hungry. 1000 01:01:31,273 --> 01:01:37,210 And here we are just a handful of hours down the road, with the product in the field. 1001 01:01:43,872 --> 01:01:46,254 120 families here 1002 01:01:46,392 --> 01:01:50,672 that we don't know how we can keep on the payroll. 1003 01:01:50,810 --> 01:01:57,714 We're not smart enough as a society to work together to connect those dots. 1004 01:02:07,413 --> 01:02:09,484 I don't know what to say. 1005 01:02:09,622 --> 01:02:12,590 We're trying every way we know how, Ruth. 1006 01:02:15,455 --> 01:02:16,767 The chefs are in trouble. 1007 01:02:16,905 --> 01:02:20,944 It's a ripple-down effect, and it's a struggle. 1008 01:02:24,292 --> 01:02:26,328 You can't do it all. 1009 01:02:26,466 --> 01:02:27,951 You can't. 1010 01:02:28,089 --> 01:02:30,988 Uh... this is, this is a societal problem. 1011 01:02:31,126 --> 01:02:34,026 You know, this is, this is all of our failure. 1012 01:02:34,164 --> 01:02:35,475 All of us. 1013 01:03:15,481 --> 01:03:18,553 When we were in our twenties and we all moved to California, 1014 01:03:18,691 --> 01:03:22,005 you know, the idea was, we would follow our passions. 1015 01:03:22,143 --> 01:03:24,317 You know, you only go through life once. 1016 01:03:24,455 --> 01:03:28,666 We weren't going to be beholden to corporate America. 1017 01:03:28,805 --> 01:03:32,360 Um, you could live really on nothing in those days. 1018 01:03:32,498 --> 01:03:35,846 We all bought that house together, that group of us. 1019 01:03:35,984 --> 01:03:40,609 I mean, Doug and my share of the rent was $45 a month. 1020 01:03:40,747 --> 01:03:43,026 We raised half our own food, 1021 01:03:43,164 --> 01:03:44,648 and, you know, there were 1022 01:03:44,786 --> 01:03:48,859 15 people for dinner every night and we split the cost. 1023 01:03:48,997 --> 01:03:51,172 - Yeah. - It was really cheap. 1024 01:03:51,310 --> 01:03:54,554 And I don't think you can do that anymore. 1025 01:03:56,729 --> 01:03:58,075 We're so spoiled. 1026 01:03:58,213 --> 01:04:01,182 We're used to everything, all the time. 1027 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,805 That's the thing that's missing, is-- 1028 01:04:03,943 --> 01:04:07,498 Oh, God, I didn't leave the beans on the fire, did I? 1029 01:04:08,879 --> 01:04:11,502 Did you? 1030 01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,298 Yes... 1031 01:04:53,613 --> 01:04:57,341 Can I ask a really stupid question? Are you a good cook? 1032 01:04:57,479 --> 01:05:00,586 Yeah, I am a good cook. 1033 01:05:00,724 --> 01:05:05,453 I'm not a great cook, I'm not a trained, you know, I'm not a "chef." 1034 01:05:05,591 --> 01:05:09,457 But I have, I started-- So like, the cover of my first book, 1035 01:05:09,595 --> 01:05:12,460 Tender at the Bone, is a picture of me cooking at 7. 1036 01:05:12,598 --> 01:05:14,876 I've always loved to cook. 1037 01:05:15,014 --> 01:05:15,981 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1038 01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:18,500 It's what I do, you know, 1039 01:05:18,638 --> 01:05:21,987 when I am sad, or in trouble. 1040 01:05:22,125 --> 01:05:23,954 - I go into the kitchen. - Yeah, yeah. 1041 01:05:24,092 --> 01:05:26,577 It's my best place. 1042 01:05:28,717 --> 01:05:33,481 I feel like I've sort of spent my whole life working up to this project. 1043 01:05:33,619 --> 01:05:35,966 - Really? - Yeah, yeah. 1044 01:05:36,104 --> 01:05:39,107 It also makes me feel like a terrible failure, 1045 01:05:39,245 --> 01:05:43,008 that we didn't fix this. 1046 01:05:43,146 --> 01:05:45,493 We were talking about the concentration 1047 01:05:45,631 --> 01:05:49,255 in the food industry in the early '70s. 1048 01:05:49,393 --> 01:05:52,949 And we just let it happen, you know? 1049 01:05:53,087 --> 01:05:55,192 This wave came over us, 1050 01:05:55,330 --> 01:06:00,611 and we got sidetracked by "deliciousness," you know. 1051 01:06:00,749 --> 01:06:05,582 You know, a whole group of us who started out with the politics of food, 1052 01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,309 and then became cooks, and opened restaurants, 1053 01:06:08,447 --> 01:06:14,625 and let this really egregious thing take hold. 1054 01:06:14,763 --> 01:06:16,627 And we should have been fighting it. 1055 01:06:16,765 --> 01:06:19,389 We should have been fighting it tooth and nail, 1056 01:06:19,527 --> 01:06:22,564 the moment we saw it coming over the horizon. 1057 01:06:22,702 --> 01:06:26,327 And we just let it happen. 1058 01:06:26,465 --> 01:06:32,022 And I feel, you know, culpable and devastated by that. 1059 01:07:03,088 --> 01:07:05,262 What is the weather supposed to be Sunday? 1060 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,161 - I mean, Saturday-- - Just cold. 1061 01:07:07,299 --> 01:07:11,751 Just cold, but, I mean, hopefully it won't be iced over. 1062 01:07:21,106 --> 01:07:23,625 What do you guys do this time of year? 1063 01:07:23,763 --> 01:07:25,455 Well, we've been hauling bales. 1064 01:07:25,593 --> 01:07:28,044 So there's a lot of cattle feeders around here. 1065 01:07:28,182 --> 01:07:30,080 They'll use it for bedding for cattle. 1066 01:07:30,218 --> 01:07:32,393 So the guys have been busy with that. 1067 01:07:32,531 --> 01:07:34,015 I did some hauling yesterday, 1068 01:07:34,153 --> 01:07:37,570 and then just kind of getting ready for taxes, 1069 01:07:37,708 --> 01:07:40,608 because I'm so behind. 1070 01:07:40,746 --> 01:07:45,268 And then, all the seed people, the chemical people, they come knocking at your door. 1071 01:07:45,406 --> 01:07:50,376 To get the biggest discounts, you have to buy the inputs in October, November, December, 1072 01:07:50,514 --> 01:07:53,759 and we won't be using them until April or later. 1073 01:07:53,897 --> 01:07:58,419 But you have to put that money out up front so you can get that big discount. 1074 01:07:58,557 --> 01:08:00,110 That seems so unfair. 1075 01:08:00,248 --> 01:08:01,594 Yeah. 1076 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,293 How are things going with your husband? 1077 01:08:10,431 --> 01:08:15,298 Well, working with Kerry's been challenging, 1078 01:08:15,436 --> 01:08:17,300 but also rewarding. 1079 01:08:17,438 --> 01:08:19,681 I mean, when we do disagree, 1080 01:08:19,819 --> 01:08:22,650 we, uh, disagree respectfully most of the time 1081 01:08:22,788 --> 01:08:27,103 and try to keep it, you know, it's about the farm. 1082 01:08:27,241 --> 01:08:29,174 It's not personal between us. 1083 01:08:29,312 --> 01:08:30,761 And it's about a practice. 1084 01:08:30,899 --> 01:08:32,591 But it is getting better. 1085 01:08:32,729 --> 01:08:35,145 And it does help that the boys are older now 1086 01:08:35,283 --> 01:08:37,285 and they're in the conversation. 1087 01:08:40,046 --> 01:08:44,327 My husband has been in the hospital, so I've been... 1088 01:08:44,465 --> 01:08:45,983 - What happened? - Um... 1089 01:08:46,122 --> 01:08:49,055 He got very dehydrated and then his kidneys failed. 1090 01:08:49,194 --> 01:08:53,405 - Oh, no. Is that... - He's home. 1091 01:08:53,543 --> 01:08:58,479 He came home yesterday, but I'm not... 1092 01:08:58,617 --> 01:09:01,551 uh, totally on top of things right now. 1093 01:09:01,689 --> 01:09:04,140 Is that going to be something long-term that affects-- 1094 01:09:04,278 --> 01:09:05,451 No, but it was really bad. 1095 01:09:05,589 --> 01:09:07,384 I mean, we didn't realize how sick he was 1096 01:09:07,522 --> 01:09:11,008 until, you know, it was really bad. 1097 01:09:11,147 --> 01:09:13,459 Were you able to go in the hospital with him? 1098 01:09:13,597 --> 01:09:16,359 - No. - Yeah, wow. 1099 01:09:16,497 --> 01:09:18,499 And, I mean, I want to tell you, you know, 1100 01:09:18,637 --> 01:09:21,881 it's given me a whole new perspective 1101 01:09:22,019 --> 01:09:26,196 on when they talk about these COVID patients dying alone. 1102 01:09:26,334 --> 01:09:28,060 - Yeah. - ...the hospital for almost a week. 1103 01:09:28,198 --> 01:09:31,995 They are so stressed, they are so overworked. 1104 01:09:32,133 --> 01:09:34,825 I never once talked to a doctor. 1105 01:09:34,963 --> 01:09:36,793 - I mean... - Wow. 1106 01:09:36,931 --> 01:09:38,933 And the nurses were really lovely, but, you know, 1107 01:09:39,071 --> 01:09:41,729 they would call me when they could to give me information. 1108 01:09:41,867 --> 01:09:46,734 And Michael was terrified, alone. 1109 01:09:46,872 --> 01:09:49,564 Uh... It was horrible. 1110 01:09:49,702 --> 01:09:51,428 Really horrible. 1111 01:09:51,566 --> 01:09:56,571 You do not want to get sick in the middle of a COVID crisis. 1112 01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:57,917 Yeah, yeah. 1113 01:10:03,578 --> 01:10:06,616 So, are most of your people still with you, 1114 01:10:06,754 --> 01:10:09,032 or have you had to furlough a lot of people? 1115 01:10:09,170 --> 01:10:11,759 We went from 167 to, 1116 01:10:11,897 --> 01:10:15,003 we're right about 95 right now. 1117 01:10:16,695 --> 01:10:19,525 I really hold myself hugely responsible 1118 01:10:19,663 --> 01:10:22,390 for the financial mess that we're in, 1119 01:10:22,528 --> 01:10:27,223 because I didn't create enough of a diverse business, 1120 01:10:27,361 --> 01:10:32,987 not focused on just one revenue stream of restaurants. 1121 01:10:33,125 --> 01:10:36,577 Just... I got blindsided by it. 1122 01:10:38,372 --> 01:10:41,029 Coronavirus, it's a horrible thing. 1123 01:10:41,167 --> 01:10:43,618 You know, through this, you have to maintain hope. 1124 01:10:43,756 --> 01:10:45,793 And we're going to find new ways to do business. 1125 01:10:45,931 --> 01:10:49,486 It's going to be the new normal, and we have to figure out what that is. 1126 01:10:57,494 --> 01:10:59,013 How are you? 1127 01:10:59,151 --> 01:11:01,326 I'm pretty good, how are you? 1128 01:11:01,464 --> 01:11:03,707 I'm good, I think. It's a little bit nasty here. 1129 01:11:03,845 --> 01:11:08,505 We got a bunch of ice and snow, wet last night, so... 1130 01:11:08,643 --> 01:11:12,302 How much COVID is there around you? Still really low? 1131 01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:17,100 Oh, you know, we'd be low as far as, just because the population's so low. 1132 01:11:17,238 --> 01:11:19,102 But honestly I think our percentages here 1133 01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,450 are probably higher than yours where you live. 1134 01:11:22,588 --> 01:11:26,074 Probably because everybody here just bored on with total disregard. 1135 01:11:27,455 --> 01:11:32,840 So, are you seeing any effect of the election on your business? 1136 01:11:35,981 --> 01:11:37,603 Uh... 1137 01:11:38,984 --> 01:11:40,537 I would probably say no. 1138 01:11:40,675 --> 01:11:43,057 I mean, the, the effect it's having is, 1139 01:11:43,195 --> 01:11:49,926 is most cattle people are very conservative and very to the right. 1140 01:11:50,064 --> 01:11:54,171 So, they're in a poor mood about it. 1141 01:11:57,899 --> 01:12:02,594 I think the Democrats have a big burden in rural America. 1142 01:12:02,732 --> 01:12:05,666 Well, and I'm going to say this quite honestly, 1143 01:12:05,804 --> 01:12:10,843 ag does not necessarily flourish under Republican administration. 1144 01:12:10,981 --> 01:12:14,675 Our lifestyle and beliefs out here 1145 01:12:14,813 --> 01:12:18,851 is what makes everybody to be so conservative, and regulation. 1146 01:12:18,989 --> 01:12:23,511 But quite honestly, ag probably is better off under Democratic administrations, 1147 01:12:23,649 --> 01:12:25,996 if you look back over history. 1148 01:12:28,620 --> 01:12:31,036 One of the things that you bring up 1149 01:12:31,174 --> 01:12:35,040 is this rural/urban divide... 1150 01:12:35,178 --> 01:12:36,662 - Yep. - ...and your fear 1151 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:41,943 that rural America is basically going to be pushed off the map. 1152 01:12:42,081 --> 01:12:47,639 These little towns, you know, the town I live by, 6,500 people, it's all ag. 1153 01:12:47,777 --> 01:12:51,125 You know, those 50- to 100-head cowherd guys, 1154 01:12:51,263 --> 01:12:53,230 they get their stuff repaired in town, 1155 01:12:53,369 --> 01:12:56,889 and they buy their pickups in town, and they eat in town, and... 1156 01:12:57,027 --> 01:12:59,444 I mean, they support all the local businesses. 1157 01:12:59,582 --> 01:13:02,757 You get to where you have 800 to 1,000 cows, 1158 01:13:02,895 --> 01:13:05,933 you don't have to buy your mineral from the local mill, 1159 01:13:06,071 --> 01:13:09,108 you can order it by a semi-load from somewhere like Kansas City. 1160 01:13:09,246 --> 01:13:10,903 You can get your medicine direct, 1161 01:13:11,041 --> 01:13:13,250 and you don't have to go through a local retailer. 1162 01:13:13,389 --> 01:13:15,632 I mean, these towns are about to dry up and blow away anyway, 1163 01:13:15,770 --> 01:13:18,773 with just the migration that ag has already took. 1164 01:13:18,911 --> 01:13:23,468 The kids out here, about all get an excellent secondary education. 1165 01:13:23,606 --> 01:13:26,056 And then they have the work ethic and the morals 1166 01:13:26,194 --> 01:13:28,162 that the companies in the cities want. 1167 01:13:28,300 --> 01:13:32,408 And so, they pay them way more than what they could stay here and make. 1168 01:13:32,546 --> 01:13:37,240 It's just a steady flow of pushing everybody into city. 1169 01:13:37,378 --> 01:13:40,105 You said you thought that next year, 1170 01:13:40,243 --> 01:13:43,833 10% of the cow/calf people around you would be out of business. 1171 01:13:43,971 --> 01:13:45,869 Do you still think that? 1172 01:13:46,007 --> 01:13:48,354 Yeah. 1173 01:13:49,770 --> 01:13:52,324 You know, there's a day of reckoning coming. 1174 01:14:05,820 --> 01:14:09,375 Bluffton peaked in population in 1900. 1175 01:14:09,514 --> 01:14:13,794 When I was growing up in the '60s, Bluffton was still a town. 1176 01:14:13,932 --> 01:14:16,210 You know, it still had stores, and... 1177 01:14:16,348 --> 01:14:18,626 but under the industrial commodity scenario, 1178 01:14:18,764 --> 01:14:20,456 it atrophied and atrophied. 1179 01:14:20,594 --> 01:14:24,149 When it hit its bottom, which was probably 10 or 15 years ago, 1180 01:14:24,287 --> 01:14:28,187 the town became economically irrelevant. 1181 01:14:28,325 --> 01:14:33,365 But when we hired 100 and something young, 1182 01:14:33,503 --> 01:14:39,026 educated, passionate people here and paid them well, 1183 01:14:39,164 --> 01:14:40,993 they needed a place 1184 01:14:41,131 --> 01:14:44,549 to eat and sleep and shop and play. 1185 01:14:44,687 --> 01:14:46,067 And so we built it. 1186 01:14:46,205 --> 01:14:49,381 Now we've got 176 employees. 1187 01:14:49,519 --> 01:14:52,384 We're the largest private employer in the county. 1188 01:14:52,522 --> 01:14:56,975 Our average employee makes way above the county average, 1189 01:14:57,113 --> 01:15:01,393 in one of the poorest counties, in one of the poorest states in the nation. 1190 01:15:01,531 --> 01:15:05,431 And what resulted is a really nice community. 1191 01:15:05,570 --> 01:15:09,401 You know, it's still tiny, but it's gone from ghost town, 1192 01:15:09,539 --> 01:15:14,371 literally, to destination, in a decade. 1193 01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:16,926 So, I'm very proud of that. 1194 01:15:17,064 --> 01:15:21,931 So I hear you've been doing something with a solar power company now, too? 1195 01:15:22,069 --> 01:15:26,763 Some friends of mine owned a very large farm, near my farm, 1196 01:15:26,901 --> 01:15:31,250 and they sold it to a renewable energy company. 1197 01:15:31,388 --> 01:15:33,011 I was not very happy about that, 1198 01:15:33,149 --> 01:15:35,703 because they take really good farmland, 1199 01:15:35,841 --> 01:15:39,673 and they use Roundup, and erosion is horrible. 1200 01:15:39,811 --> 01:15:42,399 It becomes a moonscape. 1201 01:15:42,538 --> 01:15:49,268 We populated that solar field with about 2,000 sheep for vegetative control. 1202 01:15:49,406 --> 01:15:54,273 And later on we added a few thousand chickens, a few hundred ducks. 1203 01:15:54,411 --> 01:15:56,068 Yeah. 1204 01:15:56,206 --> 01:15:59,900 It has been a wonderful success. 1205 01:16:00,038 --> 01:16:01,971 Everybody wins. 1206 01:16:02,109 --> 01:16:04,939 They actually pay us the same amount of money 1207 01:16:05,077 --> 01:16:09,288 they would pay a company to spray and mow and trim, 1208 01:16:09,426 --> 01:16:14,604 and we're building organic matter in their soil, and preventing erosion. 1209 01:16:14,742 --> 01:16:20,990 It's created new jobs and produces some really good lamb for our customers to eat. 1210 01:16:21,128 --> 01:16:22,647 I mean, everybody wins. 1211 01:16:22,785 --> 01:16:27,755 This was farmed-to-death row crop land. 1212 01:16:27,893 --> 01:16:29,999 Now, perennials are coming. 1213 01:16:30,137 --> 01:16:31,932 So that is Bermuda grass, 1214 01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:34,969 which is a great warm-season perennial grass. 1215 01:16:35,107 --> 01:16:38,594 That's evidence that life's coming back to the land. 1216 01:16:44,461 --> 01:16:46,118 Hi, Zuzu. 1217 01:16:46,256 --> 01:16:48,362 You want to say hi to Auntie Ruth? 1218 01:16:48,500 --> 01:16:51,089 - Hi. - Bye-bye, Auntie Ruth. 1219 01:16:53,091 --> 01:16:55,887 Bye-bye. 1220 01:16:56,025 --> 01:16:58,717 Our landlords won't give us any relief. 1221 01:16:58,855 --> 01:17:02,341 They won't work with us, they haven't negotiated with us. 1222 01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,310 I mean, one option is to stay. 1223 01:17:05,448 --> 01:17:08,382 Second option is to break the lease early. 1224 01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:13,698 And then the third option is to fold both of our locations together, in the Mission. 1225 01:17:13,836 --> 01:17:16,424 Have you discussed this with your staff? 1226 01:17:16,562 --> 01:17:20,221 - We're doing it today, actually, having the big meeting, yeah. - Really? 1227 01:17:23,949 --> 01:17:25,813 It's a good sort of stepping stone, 1228 01:17:25,951 --> 01:17:28,713 before worker ownership even comes into play, 1229 01:17:28,851 --> 01:17:31,888 as I figure out how to, like, involve the collective 1230 01:17:32,026 --> 01:17:37,238 in whatever decisions that I'm making as an owner, about this transition. 1231 01:17:37,376 --> 01:17:40,656 If we decided to go work at the Mission temporarily, 1232 01:17:40,794 --> 01:17:42,761 we would have to go roll in at like three, 1233 01:17:42,899 --> 01:17:46,972 four in the morning before, before y'all open up. 1234 01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,778 I'm going to go to the landlords and tell them, 1235 01:17:59,916 --> 01:18:03,023 "You're going to give us relief, or we walk away." 1236 01:18:03,161 --> 01:18:06,543 If they say, "You know what, we'll give you relief," 1237 01:18:06,682 --> 01:18:09,132 then I'll bring it back here and we consider it. 1238 01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:14,413 If they say no, which I think they are, unfortunately, we move. 1239 01:18:27,703 --> 01:18:29,601 We know that that's going to be our goal, 1240 01:18:29,739 --> 01:18:32,742 is to make sure that our workers stay in Oakland. 1241 01:18:37,022 --> 01:18:39,128 I haven't cut my teeth in the industry 1242 01:18:39,266 --> 01:18:43,235 as much as some of the people that work for me, you know? 1243 01:18:43,373 --> 01:18:45,203 So there's a lot of wisdom and skill there. 1244 01:18:45,341 --> 01:18:47,999 Hot pita, hot pita! 1245 01:18:50,035 --> 01:18:52,797 Luis is, like, from a third generation 1246 01:18:52,935 --> 01:18:54,730 of bakers from the Yucatán. 1247 01:18:54,868 --> 01:18:56,973 It's, like, in his blood. 1248 01:18:57,111 --> 01:19:00,114 Like, I learn so much from him every day. I mean, I learn from them. 1249 01:19:01,909 --> 01:19:04,498 Luis is like, it's about our change of mentality. 1250 01:19:04,636 --> 01:19:07,397 We have to think like employees and like bosses. 1251 01:19:20,997 --> 01:19:24,483 I'm really OCD, you guys. 1252 01:19:24,621 --> 01:19:26,520 This makes me so batty. 1253 01:19:26,658 --> 01:19:31,007 So, you've opened your new place. How is it? 1254 01:19:31,145 --> 01:19:33,147 It's great and it's horrible. 1255 01:19:33,285 --> 01:19:34,942 I think... 1256 01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,187 uh, I'm just going to say it. 1257 01:19:38,325 --> 01:19:40,914 The food is like an A-minus. 1258 01:19:41,052 --> 01:19:44,745 The service is a C-minus, maybe a D. 1259 01:19:44,883 --> 01:19:46,609 Ooh. 1260 01:19:46,747 --> 01:19:50,958 I think I'm at 20% of where I want to be. 1261 01:19:51,096 --> 01:19:53,858 So, there's a lot of room for improvement. 1262 01:19:53,996 --> 01:19:56,377 And I think I broke my back-of-house team. 1263 01:19:56,515 --> 01:19:59,449 We were there until 2:30 a.m. 1264 01:19:59,587 --> 01:20:04,316 I don't lose my shit, usually, and I lost my shit. 1265 01:20:04,454 --> 01:20:06,871 - They were mad. - That sounds brutal. 1266 01:20:07,009 --> 01:20:10,012 - And I just, like... - And God knows there are a lot 1267 01:20:10,150 --> 01:20:14,948 of out-of-work front-of-house people at the moment. 1268 01:20:15,086 --> 01:20:19,573 But none of them want to work. I literally called 100 people. 1269 01:20:19,711 --> 01:20:21,402 They don't want to work, Ruth. 1270 01:20:21,540 --> 01:20:23,888 And especially the way that I want to set up, 1271 01:20:24,026 --> 01:20:26,338 where I want to take, I want to pay the front of the house 1272 01:20:26,476 --> 01:20:28,375 and back of house equally, you know. 1273 01:20:28,513 --> 01:20:31,412 I set a price, I said everyone across the board in service, 1274 01:20:31,550 --> 01:20:33,898 no matter if you're the porter or the dishwasher, 1275 01:20:34,036 --> 01:20:36,417 you get $20 an hour, because it's so fucking hard. 1276 01:20:36,555 --> 01:20:39,696 But servers will not work for $20 to $25 an hour. 1277 01:20:39,835 --> 01:20:43,079 Whereas my back-of-the-house team will break their backs 1278 01:20:43,217 --> 01:20:45,737 and don't think they're doing enough for that amount. 1279 01:20:45,875 --> 01:20:49,810 - Right. - I think there's financial literacy 1280 01:20:49,948 --> 01:20:52,537 that needs to happen in our industry. 1281 01:20:52,675 --> 01:20:57,922 And that financial literacy needs to be taught to everyone 1282 01:20:58,060 --> 01:21:00,959 who's working, as well as to diners. 1283 01:21:04,445 --> 01:21:06,792 Well, more senators are calling for a hearing 1284 01:21:06,931 --> 01:21:10,313 to review legislative proposals to improve the meat-packing industry. 1285 01:21:10,451 --> 01:21:13,282 In his weekly call with reporters just yesterday, 1286 01:21:13,420 --> 01:21:16,457 Senator Chuck Grassley called for a hearing as well. 1287 01:21:16,595 --> 01:21:18,735 I call this hearing 1288 01:21:18,874 --> 01:21:24,327 of the US Senate Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition, and Forestry to order. 1289 01:21:24,465 --> 01:21:28,642 We're going to focus specifically on our cattle markets today. 1290 01:21:28,780 --> 01:21:31,817 You know, COVID really showed how fragile our food system is. 1291 01:21:31,956 --> 01:21:36,892 Consumers were paying higher prices for meat, while ranchers were paid less for their cattle. 1292 01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:41,241 But the big, consolidated companies really made record profits. 1293 01:21:41,379 --> 01:21:44,071 - I've been watching the hearings. - Uh-huh. 1294 01:21:44,209 --> 01:21:49,042 So, how did we actually get to the point that there are these hearings? 1295 01:21:49,180 --> 01:21:51,251 Well, I don't want to take a lot-- 1296 01:21:51,389 --> 01:21:52,666 I mean, I... 1297 01:21:52,804 --> 01:21:56,428 Me and three or four or five others being relentless, 1298 01:21:56,566 --> 01:21:59,155 I think, finally got enough people starting to pay attention. 1299 01:21:59,293 --> 01:22:05,748 I mean, I have flown and met with countless senators and legislators. 1300 01:22:05,886 --> 01:22:07,819 We've drove people nuts, man. 1301 01:22:07,957 --> 01:22:10,201 Good for you. 1302 01:22:10,339 --> 01:22:12,513 I'm getting hundreds of calls 1303 01:22:12,651 --> 01:22:15,378 from beef cattle producers that are saying, 1304 01:22:15,516 --> 01:22:18,416 "Cindy, what is wrong with this market?" 1305 01:22:18,554 --> 01:22:21,488 Ultimately, aren't these people putting themselves out of business? 1306 01:22:21,626 --> 01:22:23,835 I mean, if nobody's going to raise cattle anymore, 1307 01:22:23,973 --> 01:22:27,528 the packers are ultimately out of business too. 1308 01:22:27,666 --> 01:22:31,015 But they're going towards total vertical integration. 1309 01:22:31,153 --> 01:22:35,467 They know that the biggest, most efficient, elite producers 1310 01:22:35,605 --> 01:22:37,849 will get bigger as the smaller ones go out. 1311 01:22:37,987 --> 01:22:44,614 And when you get to where there's five producers where there was 100, they will unify. 1312 01:22:44,752 --> 01:22:47,652 And they will charge what beef's worth, 1313 01:22:47,790 --> 01:22:52,691 and then the American consumer will be paying a lot more for food. 1314 01:22:52,829 --> 01:22:55,556 We have to address this issue of lack of competition 1315 01:22:55,694 --> 01:22:58,180 and the fact that there is an oligopoly 1316 01:22:58,318 --> 01:23:01,666 and that price setting and market power's being misused 1317 01:23:01,804 --> 01:23:04,186 in a way that disadvantages the very people 1318 01:23:04,324 --> 01:23:07,775 that are out there trying to make a living on the land. 1319 01:23:07,913 --> 01:23:11,503 If those senators and representatives are smart, 1320 01:23:11,641 --> 01:23:15,162 you don't want this country's food supply in limited hands. 1321 01:23:27,381 --> 01:23:30,074 Have you gotten the first vaccination yet? 1322 01:23:30,212 --> 01:23:32,179 Yes. 1323 01:23:32,317 --> 01:23:34,078 I got it last week. 1324 01:23:34,216 --> 01:23:38,358 Didn't you feel like... a kind of lightness from that? 1325 01:23:38,496 --> 01:23:42,051 Well, it was very strange, actually, Ruth, 1326 01:23:42,189 --> 01:23:46,607 because I got enormously depressed. 1327 01:23:46,745 --> 01:23:49,265 I woke up in the morning the next morning, 1328 01:23:49,403 --> 01:23:52,234 and I, I just said, 1329 01:23:52,372 --> 01:23:57,687 "We're never going to address climate change, and I might as well just... 1330 01:23:57,825 --> 01:24:00,897 give up," and started crying, 1331 01:24:01,036 --> 01:24:04,418 and I was crying off and on all day. 1332 01:24:04,556 --> 01:24:06,903 It frightened me. 1333 01:24:07,042 --> 01:24:11,425 I mean, this COVID time has been an interesting time for a lot of people, 1334 01:24:11,563 --> 01:24:17,293 'cause a lot of people have, like, have never had time to think before. 1335 01:24:17,431 --> 01:24:20,883 And, you know, I go for a walk every morning, 1336 01:24:21,021 --> 01:24:25,612 but I have never looked deeply 1337 01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:29,512 and stopped along the way, the way I do now. 1338 01:24:29,650 --> 01:24:33,965 That I am seeing, you know, 1339 01:24:34,103 --> 01:24:37,279 almost the plants grow from day to day... 1340 01:24:37,417 --> 01:24:42,525 ...the blossoms on the fruit trees already. 1341 01:24:42,663 --> 01:24:45,459 And I, it's... 1342 01:24:45,597 --> 01:24:49,222 the closer look that I'm having. 1343 01:25:07,930 --> 01:25:09,621 You know, I love spring. 1344 01:25:09,759 --> 01:25:12,728 It's one of the advantages of farming for a living. 1345 01:25:12,866 --> 01:25:14,764 You get a do-over every year. 1346 01:25:16,766 --> 01:25:22,393 There are opportunities that have been created due to COVID. 1347 01:25:22,531 --> 01:25:26,638 Pre-COVID, we grew a wide variety of vegetables 1348 01:25:26,776 --> 01:25:29,848 and we sold them directly to restaurants. 1349 01:25:29,986 --> 01:25:32,472 Now, we grow a wide variety of vegetables, 1350 01:25:32,610 --> 01:25:36,752 we sell them to restaurants, to home consumers, 1351 01:25:36,890 --> 01:25:40,169 to institutions and hospitals 1352 01:25:40,307 --> 01:25:46,141 that are now starting to understand the whole concept of food as medicine. 1353 01:25:49,765 --> 01:25:53,182 In 1983, I came home from Ohio State my freshman year. 1354 01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,012 That house was the house that was sold, 1355 01:25:56,151 --> 01:25:59,671 and Dad's farm was at that barn, and it was full of equipment, 1356 01:25:59,809 --> 01:26:01,673 and it took two days to sell it all. 1357 01:26:01,811 --> 01:26:03,019 We bought that back. 1358 01:26:03,158 --> 01:26:06,368 And my son is moving in there, and his wife. 1359 01:26:06,506 --> 01:26:08,646 And it's kind of a full circle. 1360 01:26:08,784 --> 01:26:12,546 He is just coming back into the business, as is my daughter. 1361 01:26:12,684 --> 01:26:14,755 Lee's son works in the business. 1362 01:26:14,893 --> 01:26:18,518 So we're very excited to be having the next generation 1363 01:26:18,656 --> 01:26:20,520 come back into the business. 1364 01:26:24,696 --> 01:26:27,458 - I can tell you some good news, if you want. - Yeah. 1365 01:26:27,596 --> 01:26:31,738 So we just found out yesterday that Knuth Farms is certified organic now. 1366 01:26:31,876 --> 01:26:33,705 - Oh, fantastic! - Yeah, so... 1367 01:26:33,843 --> 01:26:36,501 Congratulations, that's amazing. 1368 01:26:36,639 --> 01:26:41,817 So, what does it actually mean for your farm that you've now been certified organic? 1369 01:26:41,955 --> 01:26:44,233 Right now, it is the dollar sign. 1370 01:26:44,371 --> 01:26:45,579 Instead of $3.30 corn, 1371 01:26:45,717 --> 01:26:48,651 we're hoping to get $6 to $7 a bushel. 1372 01:26:48,789 --> 01:26:54,174 So take that times 30,000 bushels, and that's a lot of money. 1373 01:26:58,730 --> 01:27:02,734 I like the direction with the organic and regenerative movement, 1374 01:27:02,872 --> 01:27:05,565 where it's coming around back to soil health. 1375 01:27:05,703 --> 01:27:09,085 I think that's really rewarding. 1376 01:27:09,224 --> 01:27:12,882 The boys are interested in seeing this unfold, 1377 01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:14,712 because they're saying things and I'm going, 1378 01:27:14,850 --> 01:27:16,817 "Ooh, you wouldn't have said that about a year ago." 1379 01:27:16,955 --> 01:27:19,924 It's nice when it's a family business, most of the time. 1380 01:27:20,062 --> 01:27:23,652 And I think down the road, they'll definitely want to work together. 1381 01:27:23,790 --> 01:27:26,482 So, we think they're pretty level-headed, 1382 01:27:26,620 --> 01:27:30,659 and, uh... and we value their opinion right now. 1383 01:27:30,797 --> 01:27:34,214 I mean, because, we are at that stage where we're getting up there, 1384 01:27:34,352 --> 01:27:38,183 and they're the future, so this is neat, because we get to hand it off to them. 1385 01:27:38,322 --> 01:27:41,394 We have something to hand off to them. 1386 01:27:46,295 --> 01:27:49,125 One of the problems in American agriculture 1387 01:27:49,264 --> 01:27:52,370 is that the average age of the American farmer is 64. 1388 01:27:52,508 --> 01:27:57,341 And we're losing young people in this business at a terrific rate. 1389 01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:01,379 Being 65, I can understand that. 1390 01:28:01,517 --> 01:28:06,315 There are plenty of young people who would love to come back to the farm. 1391 01:28:06,453 --> 01:28:11,355 Farming is a wonderful life, lifestyle, livelihood. 1392 01:28:11,493 --> 01:28:13,426 All kind of good things about it. 1393 01:28:13,564 --> 01:28:15,876 And I, I scold people when they say, 1394 01:28:16,014 --> 01:28:19,708 "Oh, farming is a hard life." No, it's not. 1395 01:28:19,846 --> 01:28:22,814 Have you ever seen a roofer? Now, that's hard-ass work. 1396 01:28:22,952 --> 01:28:24,885 You see the guys putting roofs on houses? 1397 01:28:25,023 --> 01:28:28,855 Don't tell me how hard farmers work, when I see a roofer working. 1398 01:28:28,993 --> 01:28:30,822 Well, welcome to White Oak Pastures. 1399 01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,308 My name is Jodi, and I'm a member 1400 01:28:33,446 --> 01:28:35,344 of the fifth generation on the farm. 1401 01:28:35,482 --> 01:28:38,899 My great great grandfather, he raised multi-species, 1402 01:28:39,037 --> 01:28:40,867 slaughtered his own animals on the farm, 1403 01:28:41,005 --> 01:28:43,214 sold them locally to the people here in Bluffton. 1404 01:28:43,352 --> 01:28:45,527 And it's very similar to our model today. 1405 01:28:45,665 --> 01:28:49,254 We joke now, saying, we farm more like our great great grandfather did 1406 01:28:49,393 --> 01:28:52,603 than when my grandfather was alive and operating the farm. 1407 01:28:52,741 --> 01:28:56,917 All right, so we've got the Easter campaign starting this weekend. 1408 01:28:57,055 --> 01:29:01,612 We've got a little bit of trim that Buck's going to try to run for ground lamb, 1409 01:29:01,750 --> 01:29:05,685 and then some merguez, and... are you going to run some more chorizo? 1410 01:29:05,823 --> 01:29:09,171 We're going to run 200 pounds of each batch. 1411 01:29:09,309 --> 01:29:10,690 Good deal. Uh... 1412 01:29:10,828 --> 01:29:12,588 Jenni is my middle daughter 1413 01:29:12,726 --> 01:29:15,936 and she has always been my shadow. 1414 01:29:16,074 --> 01:29:19,284 We have been inseparable since she got potty trained. 1415 01:29:19,423 --> 01:29:22,357 And I am just fiercely proud of her. 1416 01:29:22,495 --> 01:29:24,117 That works both ways. 1417 01:29:24,255 --> 01:29:26,947 It's so great to have a kid who's your shadow. 1418 01:29:27,085 --> 01:29:29,605 It's great to have a dad that's a mentor. 1419 01:29:29,743 --> 01:29:34,023 I've always told my daughters that my goal is 1420 01:29:34,161 --> 01:29:38,994 to have the opportunity for them to come back, but not the obligation to come back. 1421 01:29:39,132 --> 01:29:43,101 Jenni, did you always know that you wanted to come back and work on the farm? 1422 01:29:43,239 --> 01:29:44,413 I did not. 1423 01:29:44,551 --> 01:29:46,450 So, growing up gay and closeted, 1424 01:29:46,588 --> 01:29:49,625 I really had made peace with the fact that 1425 01:29:49,763 --> 01:29:51,316 I would have to choose 1426 01:29:51,455 --> 01:29:53,629 professional happiness or personal happiness, 1427 01:29:53,767 --> 01:29:56,045 and those two couldn't possibly coincide. 1428 01:29:56,183 --> 01:29:59,566 And it didn't work that way, I get to have both. 1429 01:29:59,704 --> 01:30:03,259 It sounds kind of like a fairy tale, to be honest. 1430 01:30:03,398 --> 01:30:05,400 It does, it does. I think dad and I both agree, 1431 01:30:05,538 --> 01:30:07,022 we get to live in our own fairy tales. 1432 01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:10,059 They're very different, but they're, they're fairy tales. 1433 01:30:10,197 --> 01:30:12,752 So, Will, what's your fairy tale? 1434 01:30:14,892 --> 01:30:16,894 You know, I'm living it. 1435 01:30:17,032 --> 01:30:18,792 To have... 1436 01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:23,935 I'm a little emotional. 1437 01:30:24,073 --> 01:30:25,454 Me too. 1438 01:30:25,592 --> 01:30:28,146 Something in the air. 1439 01:30:28,284 --> 01:30:30,597 I don't know. 1440 01:30:30,735 --> 01:30:34,463 You know, uh, I love what I do. 1441 01:30:34,601 --> 01:30:36,327 That's an understatement. 1442 01:30:36,465 --> 01:30:40,676 You know, it's my hobby, 1443 01:30:40,814 --> 01:30:43,230 my vocation, my avocation, 1444 01:30:43,368 --> 01:30:47,096 my legacy and heritage, every day. 1445 01:31:09,947 --> 01:31:12,605 We've been 14 months in the pandemic. 1446 01:31:12,743 --> 01:31:14,883 We have learned some things, 1447 01:31:15,021 --> 01:31:19,888 collectively, what business works and what doesn't, right? 1448 01:31:20,026 --> 01:31:24,755 A year later, we're much clearer that we need to leave Fruitvale. 1449 01:31:27,516 --> 01:31:33,108 We have a chance to build our own bakery here in downtown Oakland. 1450 01:31:33,246 --> 01:31:36,836 I want you all to see, could this be the new home of Reem's? 1451 01:31:36,974 --> 01:31:41,875 A business model that would be profitable for everybody. 1452 01:31:51,402 --> 01:31:56,131 Racks and racks and racks of dough and pastry shaping happening. 1453 01:31:56,269 --> 01:31:58,651 - I'd say excited. - Excited, worried? 1454 01:32:00,549 --> 01:32:03,034 - Emotional. - Emotional. 1455 01:32:07,245 --> 01:32:10,076 You know, across the board, people were really responsive 1456 01:32:10,214 --> 01:32:11,905 and gave us really excellent reviews. 1457 01:32:12,043 --> 01:32:14,252 Because I personally know what I need to work on, 1458 01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:16,185 you know, I know the wonky things. 1459 01:32:16,323 --> 01:32:18,533 I'm at 40% of where I want to be. 1460 01:32:18,671 --> 01:32:22,364 I feel like we're on training wheels a little bit. 1461 01:32:22,502 --> 01:32:26,782 How could it not be? You're a brand-new restaurant in the middle of a pandemic. 1462 01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,405 You know, with a new restaurant like yours, 1463 01:32:29,544 --> 01:32:31,718 where you're doing really experimental food, 1464 01:32:31,856 --> 01:32:33,996 and really food of your heart, 1465 01:32:34,134 --> 01:32:36,412 you're going to have to find your customers, 1466 01:32:36,551 --> 01:32:38,794 and you can't assume that everybody who comes 1467 01:32:38,932 --> 01:32:42,246 is going to love it, because they're not, they're just not. 1468 01:32:42,384 --> 01:32:44,973 And you can't take it to heart. 1469 01:32:45,111 --> 01:32:46,595 Yeah. 1470 01:32:46,733 --> 01:32:48,286 Thanks, Ruth. 1471 01:32:49,529 --> 01:32:50,634 Yeah. 1472 01:33:13,277 --> 01:33:16,004 When I was a child, I was attracted to food 1473 01:33:16,142 --> 01:33:18,316 because I saw that it brought people together. 1474 01:33:18,454 --> 01:33:22,976 But it was when I began looking at cooks that I really fell in love. 1475 01:33:23,114 --> 01:33:26,255 Because it seemed to me it was impossible to make great food 1476 01:33:26,393 --> 01:33:28,603 if you didn't have a generous soul. 1477 01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:34,816 Independent farmers and ranchers are also a special breed. 1478 01:33:34,954 --> 01:33:39,855 They understand and care about food in a way that nobody else does. 1479 01:33:42,513 --> 01:33:48,346 I have never connected so personally with the people I was interviewing. 1480 01:33:48,484 --> 01:33:52,661 The isolation of COVID did something really unexpected. 1481 01:33:52,799 --> 01:33:56,700 It sparked deeper relationships, 1482 01:33:56,838 --> 01:33:58,529 deeper understanding. 1483 01:34:01,705 --> 01:34:04,915 The people I met this year give me hope. 1484 01:34:05,053 --> 01:34:08,297 They're independent of the industrialized model, 1485 01:34:08,435 --> 01:34:11,991 which frees them to take risks. 1486 01:34:12,129 --> 01:34:13,889 Their collective vision 1487 01:34:14,027 --> 01:34:16,685 may hold the key to our well-being. 1488 01:34:19,274 --> 01:34:22,242 I've always believed that food is social and political, 1489 01:34:22,380 --> 01:34:24,693 but it's so much more than that. 1490 01:34:24,831 --> 01:34:27,696 It shows us our values. 1491 01:34:27,834 --> 01:34:30,250 How we grow and make our food 1492 01:34:30,388 --> 01:34:32,252 tells us who we are as a nation, 1493 01:34:32,390 --> 01:34:36,084 and more importantly, who we are as human beings. 1494 01:34:40,605 --> 01:34:42,124 I would love to meet you in person. 1495 01:34:42,262 --> 01:34:44,644 - That would be great. We'll have to one of these days. - Yeah. 1496 01:34:44,782 --> 01:34:47,543 My son'll be riding in that world a lot, 1497 01:34:47,682 --> 01:34:50,788 so if he gets up in the New York rodeo or whatever 1498 01:34:50,926 --> 01:34:53,101 and we get over there, I'll probably look you up. 1499 01:34:53,239 --> 01:34:54,585 Oh, please. Please. 1500 01:34:57,933 --> 01:35:00,902 I'm really proud to call you here from Glasgow. 1501 01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:04,112 You are the 2021 winner of the Food Planet Prize. 1502 01:35:04,250 --> 01:35:06,079 Oh, my... are you kidding? 1503 01:35:10,014 --> 01:35:13,362 The decision has been made by the Curt Bergfors Foundation, 1504 01:35:13,500 --> 01:35:15,951 believe it or not, to double up on the prize. 1505 01:35:16,089 --> 01:35:18,643 So you're not winner of just one million US dollars, 1506 01:35:18,782 --> 01:35:21,025 you are now the winner of two million US dollars, 1507 01:35:21,163 --> 01:35:24,408 the largest prize for sustainability in the world. 1508 01:35:24,546 --> 01:35:28,446 Congratulations, Bren, and the whole GreenWave team. 1509 01:35:32,416 --> 01:35:35,315 So this is confidential because they want to keep it confidential, 1510 01:35:35,453 --> 01:35:38,146 but they're naming the restaurant of the year. 1511 01:35:38,284 --> 01:35:42,806 - Whoa! - Whoa! Isn't that cool? 1512 01:35:42,944 --> 01:35:45,809 And then everyone around me is like, "Wait, can we just take a moment 1513 01:35:45,947 --> 01:35:48,501 to not react to it as, like, another, you know, 1514 01:35:48,639 --> 01:35:52,160 you having to react to a pivot, and just enjoy it?" 1515 01:35:52,298 --> 01:35:54,818 And I'm like, "Yeah, but oh, my God!" 1516 01:35:58,649 --> 01:36:02,377 The food that we eat, the tools that we use, 1517 01:36:02,515 --> 01:36:07,554 the methods of agriculture were started by your ancestors. 1518 01:36:10,765 --> 01:36:13,353 And every time someone says, 1519 01:36:13,491 --> 01:36:15,839 "Get down and dirty and go into a garden," 1520 01:36:15,977 --> 01:36:18,773 you go into that garden with pride. 1521 01:36:21,327 --> 01:36:24,088 Thank you so much. 132749

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