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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:19,402 --> 00:00:24,324 ♪ Freedom's just another word For nothing left to lose ♪ 4 00:00:25,242 --> 00:00:29,246 ♪ Nothin' That's all that Bobby left me ♪ 5 00:00:29,329 --> 00:00:31,039 ♪ Yeah ♪ 6 00:00:31,122 --> 00:00:34,459 ♪ And feelin' good Was easy, Lord ♪ 7 00:00:35,001 --> 00:00:37,087 ♪ Bobby sang the blues ♪ 8 00:00:37,754 --> 00:00:40,840 ♪ Feelin' good Was good enough for me ♪ 9 00:00:44,052 --> 00:00:48,056 ♪ Good enough for me And Bobby McGee ♪ 10 00:00:48,807 --> 00:00:52,686 ♪ And it's just like the ocean Under the moon ♪ 11 00:00:52,769 --> 00:00:56,856 ♪ It's the same as the emotion That I get from you ♪ 12 00:00:56,940 --> 00:01:00,735 ♪ You got the kind of lovin' That can be so smooth yeah ♪ 13 00:01:00,819 --> 00:01:04,698 ♪ Give me your heart Make it real or else forget about it ♪ 14 00:01:06,950 --> 00:01:08,702 ♪ Let's not forget about it ♪ 15 00:01:08,785 --> 00:01:11,913 ♪ Looks like we made it ♪ 16 00:01:12,289 --> 00:01:15,709 ♪ We left each other On the way ♪ 17 00:01:15,792 --> 00:01:19,796 ♪ To another love ♪ 18 00:01:20,797 --> 00:01:24,259 ♪ Looks like we made it ♪ 19 00:01:24,342 --> 00:01:26,261 ♪ Or I thought so till today ♪ 20 00:01:26,428 --> 00:01:29,848 ♪ People have the power To dream ♪ 21 00:01:29,931 --> 00:01:33,685 ♪ People have the power To love ♪ 22 00:01:33,977 --> 00:01:36,062 ♪ The power to dream ♪ 23 00:01:36,438 --> 00:01:37,856 ♪ To rule ♪ 24 00:01:38,565 --> 00:01:41,651 ♪ To wrestle the world From fools ♪ 25 00:01:41,943 --> 00:01:43,695 ♪ I will feel ♪ 26 00:01:44,529 --> 00:01:47,615 ♪ I will feel ♪ 27 00:01:48,283 --> 00:01:52,329 ♪ I will be free ♪ 28 00:01:58,460 --> 00:02:01,796 ♪ I will be ♪ 29 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:07,927 ♪ I will be free ♪ 30 00:02:19,856 --> 00:02:23,485 No. I'm-- I'm not like him. He is much... 31 00:02:24,402 --> 00:02:29,074 He's much better with artists than I am, I've gotta tell you. Um... 32 00:02:29,324 --> 00:02:32,202 And his incredible attention to detail, 33 00:02:32,786 --> 00:02:33,662 second to none. 34 00:02:33,745 --> 00:02:36,414 But look, deep down, we all wanted to be Clive Davis, 35 00:02:36,790 --> 00:02:38,875 you know, and have that track record, 36 00:02:39,125 --> 00:02:42,295 that ability to turn an artist into a superstar. 37 00:02:42,379 --> 00:02:43,797 You know, that's quite unique. 38 00:02:44,631 --> 00:02:47,175 I've been his competitor, I've been his friend. 39 00:02:47,884 --> 00:02:50,136 And, it's all about one thing: 40 00:02:51,096 --> 00:02:53,723 Is the song good enough? Is the vocal good enough? 41 00:02:53,807 --> 00:02:54,807 Is it exciting enough? 42 00:02:54,933 --> 00:02:56,893 And that's what he does. That's how he gets off. 43 00:02:57,727 --> 00:03:00,980 Most-- You know, most people, as executives, 44 00:03:01,064 --> 00:03:02,399 get a chance to make it 45 00:03:02,482 --> 00:03:05,026 for maybe a soundtrack for a period of time. 46 00:03:05,944 --> 00:03:08,822 Like, you talking about the '60s, '70s, 47 00:03:08,947 --> 00:03:11,950 '80s, '90s... 2000s. 48 00:03:12,409 --> 00:03:15,453 He's made the soundtrack you know, for our lives. 49 00:03:18,456 --> 00:03:19,874 We're less than 24 hours away 50 00:03:19,958 --> 00:03:21,209 from music's biggest night. 51 00:03:21,292 --> 00:03:23,878 But tonight, the who's who of the music world 52 00:03:23,962 --> 00:03:26,214 all at the most prestigious Grammy party, 53 00:03:26,297 --> 00:03:28,967 hosted by legendary music producer, Clive Davis. 54 00:03:32,971 --> 00:03:35,807 He's one of the few surviving music moguls from the 1960s. 55 00:03:36,391 --> 00:03:38,351 It's a story that spans four decades 56 00:03:38,435 --> 00:03:40,270 and countless chart-topping hits. 57 00:03:41,521 --> 00:03:42,981 Clive has been around for a while. 58 00:03:43,398 --> 00:03:46,067 You know that he discovered Earth Wind & Fire? 59 00:03:46,317 --> 00:03:47,861 Not the band, the elements. 60 00:03:48,486 --> 00:03:49,846 As always, we're still doing this. 61 00:03:52,407 --> 00:03:54,075 There's a certain dopamine release 62 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:56,286 that comes from having a hit record. 63 00:03:56,786 --> 00:03:59,664 And, you know, Clive's a hit addict. 64 00:04:00,582 --> 00:04:02,542 Here he is: the man with the golden ears. 65 00:04:02,625 --> 00:04:06,296 The one, the only, Mr. Clive Davis! 66 00:04:21,019 --> 00:04:24,856 Clive's Grammy parties... kinda more than just a party. 67 00:04:24,939 --> 00:04:29,068 You know, it's, it's-- it's kind of a historical event. 68 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:30,680 - ♪ You better think ♪ - ♪ Think ♪ 69 00:04:31,070 --> 00:04:32,906 ♪ Think about what you're trying To do to me ♪ 70 00:04:32,989 --> 00:04:34,908 - ♪ Think ♪ - ♪ Think, think ♪ 71 00:04:34,991 --> 00:04:36,951 ♪ Let your mind go Let yourself be free ♪ 72 00:04:37,035 --> 00:04:38,912 - ♪ Oh, freedom ♪ - ♪ Freedom ♪ 73 00:04:38,995 --> 00:04:42,624 The Grammy party, that's bigger than the Grammys. 74 00:04:42,999 --> 00:04:45,627 You know, trying to get a ticket to that is not easy. 75 00:04:45,919 --> 00:04:48,129 For Maroon 5, a chance of a lifetime, 76 00:04:48,213 --> 00:04:50,924 to be launched by one of music's top star-makers. 77 00:04:51,007 --> 00:04:54,344 ♪ This love has taken its toll ♪ 78 00:04:54,427 --> 00:04:56,971 ♪ On me, she said goodbye ♪ 79 00:04:57,514 --> 00:04:59,557 ♪ Too many times before ♪ 80 00:05:00,058 --> 00:05:01,810 That party is a rite of passage. 81 00:05:02,185 --> 00:05:03,937 You haven't made it in this business 82 00:05:04,020 --> 00:05:05,420 until you're invited to that party. 83 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:06,481 ♪ What you gonna say? ♪ 84 00:05:06,564 --> 00:05:08,107 ♪ Pass the Courvoisier ♪ 85 00:05:08,191 --> 00:05:10,527 - ♪ We gonna tell that brother ♪ - ♪ Pass the Courvoisier ♪ 86 00:05:10,777 --> 00:05:13,404 Everyone from all walks of life in the same room. 87 00:05:13,488 --> 00:05:15,990 But, of course, music brings everyone together. 88 00:05:16,074 --> 00:05:17,909 ♪ It ain't me ♪ 89 00:05:17,992 --> 00:05:19,536 ♪ It ain't me ♪ 90 00:05:19,619 --> 00:05:22,038 ♪ I ain't no millionaire's son ♪ 91 00:05:22,997 --> 00:05:24,457 ♪ It ain't me ♪ 92 00:05:24,541 --> 00:05:25,917 ♪ It ain't me ♪ 93 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,961 ♪ I ain't no fortunate one ♪ 94 00:05:30,004 --> 00:05:32,257 I'm looking in this audience right now, 95 00:05:32,966 --> 00:05:35,051 I have to bow in the presence of greatness. 96 00:05:35,134 --> 00:05:38,555 ♪ This will be oh! You and me yeah! ♪ 97 00:05:38,930 --> 00:05:41,766 ♪ Yes, siree, eternally ♪ 98 00:05:42,058 --> 00:05:44,018 ♪ Huggin' and squeezin' and kissin' and pleasin' ♪ 99 00:05:44,060 --> 00:05:46,145 ♪ Together forever Through rain or whatever ♪ 100 00:05:46,479 --> 00:05:48,106 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 101 00:05:48,231 --> 00:05:51,025 There is nobody who can get the whole industry together, 102 00:05:51,693 --> 00:05:52,860 but Clive Davis. 103 00:06:02,787 --> 00:06:05,498 This night never ceases to be special. 104 00:06:06,708 --> 00:06:10,003 And it is gonna be real special tonight. 105 00:06:10,086 --> 00:06:12,338 If you're willing to... 106 00:06:12,422 --> 00:06:15,675 take a musical journey with me. 107 00:06:17,218 --> 00:06:20,221 ♪ It's Make Believe Ballroom time ♪ 108 00:06:20,305 --> 00:06:23,308 ♪ Put all your cares away ♪ 109 00:06:23,933 --> 00:06:25,310 I grew up with the radio. 110 00:06:26,102 --> 00:06:28,354 A lot of listening to the Make Believe Ballroom. 111 00:06:28,438 --> 00:06:30,231 So I did know the songs of the day, 112 00:06:30,315 --> 00:06:32,442 but never thought of it as a profession. 113 00:06:34,027 --> 00:06:38,197 The emphasis in Jewish families that did not have any money 114 00:06:38,281 --> 00:06:41,659 was that you gotta be a lawyer, or you gotta be a doctor. 115 00:06:42,201 --> 00:06:44,871 I was gonna be a lawyer, with no clue 116 00:06:44,954 --> 00:06:47,290 what being a lawyer meant, what it entailed. 117 00:06:47,373 --> 00:06:49,167 You were gonna be a lawyer. 118 00:06:51,085 --> 00:06:55,131 I applied for and got a scholarship to NYU. 119 00:06:56,841 --> 00:07:00,136 But my mother died 120 00:07:00,803 --> 00:07:03,723 as my second year of college 121 00:07:04,307 --> 00:07:05,308 was beginning. 122 00:07:07,101 --> 00:07:10,521 My world was thrown topsy-turvy. 123 00:07:11,314 --> 00:07:14,525 The closest person in my life was my mother. 124 00:07:16,069 --> 00:07:19,948 And my father died within that following year. 125 00:07:22,325 --> 00:07:23,993 The word orphan, you know, that... 126 00:07:24,827 --> 00:07:26,496 some other people applied to me, 127 00:07:26,621 --> 00:07:28,623 I couldn't believe that that word... 128 00:07:29,248 --> 00:07:31,960 was, um, being applied to myself. 129 00:07:33,378 --> 00:07:35,046 I think the death of Clive's parents 130 00:07:35,129 --> 00:07:36,129 when he was young 131 00:07:36,172 --> 00:07:38,549 is one reason why Clive works so hard. 132 00:07:39,217 --> 00:07:42,512 You know, if anything goes, it's not gonna be because 133 00:07:42,804 --> 00:07:45,098 he didn't make the strongest effort 134 00:07:45,181 --> 00:07:46,557 to make sure that it stayed. 135 00:07:49,477 --> 00:07:51,396 Oh right. 136 00:07:55,817 --> 00:08:00,863 Uh, 1950. 137 00:08:07,245 --> 00:08:09,080 He was very smart in school. 138 00:08:09,414 --> 00:08:10,498 Smarter than I was. 139 00:08:11,124 --> 00:08:13,710 And, he parlayed that into 140 00:08:13,793 --> 00:08:16,212 a wonderful job right after school. 141 00:08:17,338 --> 00:08:20,883 I was working at one of the top law firms in the city. 142 00:08:21,426 --> 00:08:23,426 Until one day, I get a call from one of my clients, 143 00:08:23,678 --> 00:08:25,722 I get a call from one of my clients, 144 00:08:26,305 --> 00:08:29,100 the chief attorney for Columbia Records. 145 00:08:29,183 --> 00:08:30,351 And he said, 146 00:08:30,768 --> 00:08:32,437 "We have a two-man legal department. 147 00:08:32,895 --> 00:08:35,565 I'm not happy with my number two man. 148 00:08:35,648 --> 00:08:38,860 Within six months to a year, the number two man 149 00:08:38,943 --> 00:08:41,696 will be the chief lawyer for Columbia Records. 150 00:08:41,779 --> 00:08:43,698 That's what I offer you." 151 00:08:44,949 --> 00:08:46,534 I knew nothing about music. 152 00:08:47,201 --> 00:08:49,454 I knew nothing about what awaited me. 153 00:08:50,329 --> 00:08:53,082 But I did seize that opportunity. 154 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,460 Five years later, 155 00:08:55,543 --> 00:08:58,004 Goddard Lieberson, the president of Columbia Records, 156 00:08:58,129 --> 00:09:01,174 calls me into his office, and he said, 157 00:09:01,257 --> 00:09:04,218 "I would like you to leave the law, 158 00:09:04,302 --> 00:09:05,762 and become head 159 00:09:05,845 --> 00:09:08,347 of the Musical Instruments Division. 160 00:09:15,146 --> 00:09:17,774 All the people at Fender Guitars, 161 00:09:17,857 --> 00:09:19,525 at Leslie Speakers, 162 00:09:19,609 --> 00:09:21,652 at Steinway Piano, 163 00:09:21,778 --> 00:09:23,905 they'll report to you." 164 00:09:25,823 --> 00:09:28,951 I went home that night, gave great thought to it, 165 00:09:29,035 --> 00:09:33,122 and I said, "You know, I'm gonna turn it down." 166 00:09:36,125 --> 00:09:38,836 The next morning, there's a call from Goddard, 167 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,798 and he said, "Clive, there's been a change of plans." 168 00:09:42,340 --> 00:09:45,927 He said, "Norman Adler really wants to move to La Jolla, 169 00:09:46,010 --> 00:09:47,303 I'm gonna make him 170 00:09:47,386 --> 00:09:50,473 Head of The Musical Instruments Division. 171 00:09:51,641 --> 00:09:54,519 And you'll be the new head of Columbia Records." 172 00:10:01,901 --> 00:10:03,694 That's how I got in the record business. 173 00:10:05,696 --> 00:10:10,076 ♪ Moon River ♪ 174 00:10:10,159 --> 00:10:13,412 ♪ Wider than a mile ♪ 175 00:10:13,496 --> 00:10:16,499 At that time, Columbia was preeminent 176 00:10:16,582 --> 00:10:17,875 in classical music. 177 00:10:18,126 --> 00:10:20,294 They were preeminent in Broadway shows. 178 00:10:20,670 --> 00:10:23,005 And in middle-of-the-road music, 179 00:10:23,089 --> 00:10:25,550 with Andy Williams, and Barbra Streisand, 180 00:10:25,633 --> 00:10:28,594 Vikki Carr, Tony Bennett. 181 00:10:28,678 --> 00:10:31,556 They were not interested in rock 'n' roll. 182 00:10:33,766 --> 00:10:36,727 Please, don't just sit there. Come on and sing. 183 00:10:36,811 --> 00:10:39,313 ♪ Five foot two, eyes of blue ♪ 184 00:10:39,397 --> 00:10:40,773 In fact, Mitch Miller, 185 00:10:40,898 --> 00:10:42,441 the famed Mitch Miller, 186 00:10:42,525 --> 00:10:44,277 who had his own TV show 187 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,320 and was the A&R man 188 00:10:46,404 --> 00:10:48,614 par excellence at Columbia Records. 189 00:10:49,574 --> 00:10:51,993 He believed that rock 190 00:10:52,076 --> 00:10:54,287 was a passing phenomenon, 191 00:10:54,370 --> 00:10:57,248 and that it was ephemeral, and would disappear. 192 00:10:59,125 --> 00:11:01,836 Mitch Miller was a real powerhouse at Columbia, 193 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:04,463 and very famously, couldn't stand rock 'n' roll. 194 00:11:04,547 --> 00:11:06,048 And, as often happens, 195 00:11:06,132 --> 00:11:08,301 that kind of permeated the entire company. 196 00:11:08,718 --> 00:11:10,678 There's two kinds of music: good and bad. 197 00:11:11,345 --> 00:11:13,014 And the rest is all bullshit. 198 00:11:13,389 --> 00:11:17,560 ♪ Has anybody seen my gal? ♪ 199 00:11:20,062 --> 00:11:22,732 And it was at this point that Lou Adler 200 00:11:22,815 --> 00:11:25,443 asked me to go to the Monterey Pop Festival, 201 00:11:26,319 --> 00:11:28,696 when my life would be changed forever. 202 00:11:31,282 --> 00:11:33,993 ♪ If you're going ♪ 203 00:11:34,076 --> 00:11:38,039 ♪ To San Francisco ♪ 204 00:11:39,332 --> 00:11:42,501 ♪ Be sure to wear ♪ 205 00:11:42,585 --> 00:11:46,839 ♪ Some flowers in your hair ♪ 206 00:11:47,632 --> 00:11:49,342 I was blown away. 207 00:11:49,425 --> 00:11:53,721 I had never seen any hint of the cultural, 208 00:11:53,804 --> 00:11:57,266 social revolution coming out of Haight-Ashbury. 209 00:11:59,143 --> 00:12:03,689 And I was there, with white pants and a tennis sweater. 210 00:12:03,773 --> 00:12:06,067 So I was the one that looked weird. 211 00:12:13,115 --> 00:12:15,534 The second artist that I saw 212 00:12:15,868 --> 00:12:17,453 that first afternoon 213 00:12:17,620 --> 00:12:20,331 was Big Brother & the Holding Company. 214 00:12:20,414 --> 00:12:24,502 No mention as to who the lead singer would be. 215 00:12:30,257 --> 00:12:32,134 ♪ Hon, tell me why ♪ 216 00:12:32,385 --> 00:12:37,598 ♪ Why does everything go wrong? ♪ 217 00:12:38,474 --> 00:12:39,600 ♪ Baby ♪ 218 00:12:40,017 --> 00:12:42,937 As soon as Janis Joplin came on stage, 219 00:12:43,312 --> 00:12:45,064 I mean, she was hypnotic. 220 00:12:45,523 --> 00:12:47,775 ♪ Well, here you gone today ♪ 221 00:12:48,275 --> 00:12:50,152 ♪ And I want to love you ♪ 222 00:12:50,486 --> 00:12:54,699 ♪ I want to love you For so long ♪ 223 00:12:55,199 --> 00:12:59,620 Now these years later, it sounds almost cliche, 224 00:12:59,787 --> 00:13:04,417 but I felt my spine tingle and my arms vibrate. 225 00:13:04,500 --> 00:13:06,460 ♪ Hon, oh, this can't be ♪ 226 00:13:06,544 --> 00:13:09,255 ♪ Oh, b-b-b-b-baby ♪ 227 00:13:09,338 --> 00:13:11,340 ♪ A love in vain ♪ 228 00:13:13,551 --> 00:13:16,220 I was just overcome with emotion. 229 00:13:16,303 --> 00:13:17,638 And I was saying, you know, 230 00:13:17,805 --> 00:13:21,809 this isn't just a social revolution. 231 00:13:21,892 --> 00:13:24,437 This is a musical revolution. 232 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,063 ♪ Oh, tell me why ♪ 233 00:13:26,313 --> 00:13:28,399 ♪ Oh, people, tell me why love ♪ 234 00:13:28,566 --> 00:13:32,403 ♪ Honey, why love is like ♪ 235 00:13:32,820 --> 00:13:36,323 ♪ Well, it's like A ball and... ♪ 236 00:13:36,657 --> 00:13:41,954 ♪ And a chain ♪ 237 00:13:53,174 --> 00:13:55,468 This was the night I signed Janis Joplin. 238 00:13:56,343 --> 00:13:58,387 She was the first artist I ever signed. 239 00:14:01,307 --> 00:14:02,850 I did dig it the first time I heard it. 240 00:14:02,933 --> 00:14:04,185 I also liked it the other way. 241 00:14:06,395 --> 00:14:08,647 He took those meetings right away. 242 00:14:09,648 --> 00:14:13,194 And he had to prove to them, beyond the way that he looked 243 00:14:13,736 --> 00:14:16,197 and beyond the history of those record companies, 244 00:14:16,781 --> 00:14:19,700 that CBS Columbia was a place 245 00:14:19,784 --> 00:14:21,911 where they could feel comfortable. 246 00:14:22,620 --> 00:14:25,456 Last night, James passed out in the Chelsea lobby. 247 00:14:25,831 --> 00:14:27,792 You've been drinking a little too much, James. 248 00:14:28,959 --> 00:14:30,669 It was very corporate for her. 249 00:14:30,753 --> 00:14:34,131 And she said, "You know, this is the biggest moment in my life. 250 00:14:34,423 --> 00:14:37,551 You're signing, I'm signing with my group. 251 00:14:38,052 --> 00:14:39,512 Let's go to bed together." 252 00:14:39,595 --> 00:14:45,434 ♪ Summertime, time, time ♪ 253 00:14:46,185 --> 00:14:47,853 I said, "It's a compliment, 254 00:14:48,562 --> 00:14:49,939 but, we're not gonna mix 255 00:14:50,022 --> 00:14:51,357 business with pleasure." 256 00:14:54,402 --> 00:14:55,945 He seemed a little naive, 257 00:14:56,028 --> 00:14:58,406 as far as artist relations. 258 00:14:59,532 --> 00:15:02,368 But, he portrayed an honest person. 259 00:15:02,993 --> 00:15:05,704 And that particular time period, 260 00:15:06,580 --> 00:15:08,416 everyone was looking for the truth. 261 00:15:09,792 --> 00:15:13,295 ♪ Take another little piece Of my heart now, baby ♪ 262 00:15:14,839 --> 00:15:16,132 ♪ Take it ♪ 263 00:15:16,215 --> 00:15:19,593 ♪ Take another little piece Of my heart now, baby ♪ 264 00:15:20,302 --> 00:15:23,514 The world that Columbia Records represented 265 00:15:23,597 --> 00:15:25,891 in the mid-'60s was over. 266 00:15:27,518 --> 00:15:31,689 ♪ You know you got it, child If it makes you feel good ♪ 267 00:15:32,356 --> 00:15:33,649 Clive was not the kind of guy 268 00:15:33,732 --> 00:15:35,127 who would sit there and bemoan that 269 00:15:35,151 --> 00:15:36,902 and try to beat that dead horse. 270 00:15:37,528 --> 00:15:39,673 I mean, he was somebody that was like, what is the future gonna be? 271 00:15:39,697 --> 00:15:41,824 And it was very clear, at that point, to him, 272 00:15:41,907 --> 00:15:43,587 that the future was gonna be rock 'n' roll. 273 00:15:44,368 --> 00:15:45,786 And so, you know, he set out 274 00:15:45,911 --> 00:15:48,497 on a mission to really make that happen. 275 00:15:48,664 --> 00:15:50,833 One, two, three, four! One, two, three, four! 276 00:15:54,628 --> 00:15:58,132 Dazzled by what I had seen at Monterey, 277 00:15:58,215 --> 00:16:00,926 in a matter of 12 to 24 months, 278 00:16:01,010 --> 00:16:02,720 I signed The Electric Flag. 279 00:16:04,346 --> 00:16:06,849 ♪ Someone is waiting ♪ 280 00:16:07,933 --> 00:16:10,227 I signed Blood, Sweat & Tears. 281 00:16:10,311 --> 00:16:13,814 ♪ Spinnin' wheel Spinnin' true ♪ 282 00:16:13,898 --> 00:16:15,608 And Chicago. 283 00:16:15,691 --> 00:16:20,905 ♪ Twenty-five or six to four ♪ 284 00:16:20,988 --> 00:16:22,448 ♪ Oh, yeah! ♪ 285 00:16:22,531 --> 00:16:24,867 It was titillating, yes. 286 00:16:24,950 --> 00:16:26,869 Nerve-racking, yes. 287 00:16:27,369 --> 00:16:30,915 My God, I'm actually signing artists. 288 00:16:30,998 --> 00:16:32,708 I never thought I would do it. 289 00:16:32,791 --> 00:16:34,877 I never thought that was my destiny. 290 00:16:37,505 --> 00:16:40,382 I remember getting this call, saying Bill Graham 291 00:16:40,466 --> 00:16:44,345 wants you to come to The Fillmore in San Francisco. 292 00:16:44,929 --> 00:16:48,432 He's got a group that he thinks is fabulous. 293 00:16:50,893 --> 00:16:53,187 Everybody was coming to coo us. 294 00:16:54,438 --> 00:16:57,650 Atlantic and, of course, Columbia and Elektra. 295 00:16:57,733 --> 00:16:59,401 All kinds of record companies. 296 00:17:00,277 --> 00:17:01,904 Bill Graham, held a couple of auditions, 297 00:17:01,987 --> 00:17:04,573 one with Clive Davis and one with Ahmet Ertegun. 298 00:17:05,324 --> 00:17:07,743 I wanted to be with Clive in CBS 299 00:17:07,826 --> 00:17:10,329 because I saw a poster for Christmas, 300 00:17:10,412 --> 00:17:14,291 and it had Paul Simon, Miles Davis, Bob Dylan, Electric Flag. 301 00:17:14,375 --> 00:17:15,793 It had everybody in it. 302 00:17:16,126 --> 00:17:18,295 But, the whole band wanted to go with Atlantic. 303 00:17:18,379 --> 00:17:22,633 So, I literally played horrible for Ahmet Ertegun. 304 00:17:23,551 --> 00:17:25,177 And the band was so pissed off at me. 305 00:17:25,719 --> 00:17:27,388 "Hey, what are you doing?" 306 00:17:30,015 --> 00:17:32,226 However, when Clive was there, 307 00:17:32,309 --> 00:17:33,789 I remember just playing my heart out. 308 00:17:44,655 --> 00:17:46,574 I just-- I just felt that, you know-- 309 00:17:46,657 --> 00:17:49,535 I felt that there was something of a chemistry with him. 310 00:17:53,664 --> 00:17:56,875 I had been told that one or two of my major competitors 311 00:17:56,959 --> 00:17:59,795 had seen them and didn't sign them. 312 00:18:00,462 --> 00:18:03,549 But I said, you just gotta trust this... 313 00:18:03,924 --> 00:18:07,344 instinct that you have, this feeling that you have. 314 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,680 You've got to stand or fall 315 00:18:09,763 --> 00:18:12,182 on whether you end up having ears or not. 316 00:18:15,603 --> 00:18:17,938 It was only the building of a track record 317 00:18:18,188 --> 00:18:19,732 that it became evident 318 00:18:19,815 --> 00:18:24,236 that I might have a natural gift that I never knew I had. 319 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,780 ♪ Got a black magic woman ♪ 320 00:18:26,864 --> 00:18:30,200 In the late '60s, it was Clive 321 00:18:30,284 --> 00:18:35,164 who brought Columbia fully into the rock world. 322 00:18:35,873 --> 00:18:37,916 And on more than one occasion, 323 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,627 we found ourselves 324 00:18:39,710 --> 00:18:42,296 in competition for a great new act. 325 00:18:49,219 --> 00:18:53,766 And both Clive and I were after a group called Moby Grape. 326 00:18:55,309 --> 00:18:57,686 And they said, "Look, we're gonna sign with you, 327 00:18:57,770 --> 00:19:00,689 but we promised Clive one last meeting." 328 00:19:01,315 --> 00:19:05,569 I said, "Don't sign anything, and call me." 329 00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:08,822 And at ten o'clock at night I get a phone call. 330 00:19:08,906 --> 00:19:12,284 "We got great news for you. We signed with Clive." 331 00:19:12,368 --> 00:19:14,370 I said, "What do you mean, you signed with Clive? 332 00:19:14,453 --> 00:19:16,538 You promised me--" "No", he said, 333 00:19:16,622 --> 00:19:18,749 "Man, you're gonna be very happy." 334 00:19:18,832 --> 00:19:20,042 I said, "Why?" 335 00:19:20,125 --> 00:19:22,544 They said, "Well you know how you really dig our music? 336 00:19:22,753 --> 00:19:26,006 Well Clive has agreed that you can come in and listen 337 00:19:26,090 --> 00:19:29,176 in the studio, while we make..." 338 00:19:33,931 --> 00:19:35,724 "while we make the album." 339 00:19:36,934 --> 00:19:38,936 And I said, "Oh, shit!" 340 00:19:41,772 --> 00:19:45,192 He has a certain kind of child-like enthusiasm. 341 00:19:46,068 --> 00:19:49,196 If you're representing talent, or are talent itself, 342 00:19:49,279 --> 00:19:51,132 that's the kind of person you want to deal with. 343 00:19:51,156 --> 00:19:53,343 You don't want to deal with somebody who sees everything 344 00:19:53,367 --> 00:19:54,910 in terms of dollars and cents. 345 00:19:55,202 --> 00:19:56,954 I'm not saying he didn't understand 346 00:19:57,037 --> 00:19:58,539 the economics of the music business, 347 00:19:58,789 --> 00:20:01,208 because he did better than anybody I know, 348 00:20:01,709 --> 00:20:03,627 but he also brought that other element, 349 00:20:03,711 --> 00:20:06,880 which is artistic rapprochement with the talent. 350 00:20:10,926 --> 00:20:13,137 Clive came in right in and had a special relationship, 351 00:20:13,220 --> 00:20:14,847 I think, with Simon and Garfunkel. 352 00:20:15,180 --> 00:20:16,849 Personally, I felt friendship. 353 00:20:17,599 --> 00:20:19,017 I thought he was a smart guy. 354 00:20:19,351 --> 00:20:21,270 I didn't know what his musical abilities were 355 00:20:21,353 --> 00:20:22,771 because he was coming out of law. 356 00:20:23,731 --> 00:20:25,482 But the big surprise of Clive Davis 357 00:20:25,566 --> 00:20:27,526 is that he became you know, 358 00:20:28,318 --> 00:20:29,319 a musical... 359 00:20:30,779 --> 00:20:33,574 a musical force in the record business. 360 00:20:35,993 --> 00:20:37,828 I got a call one day, they were ready 361 00:20:37,911 --> 00:20:39,163 with their next album. 362 00:20:39,955 --> 00:20:42,458 They were debating what'll be the single. 363 00:20:43,542 --> 00:20:44,668 What'll be the single? 364 00:20:45,210 --> 00:20:47,087 I said, it's probably "Cecilia." 365 00:20:47,171 --> 00:20:50,007 and Clive said, "No, it has to be 'Bridge over Troubled Water.'" 366 00:20:50,924 --> 00:20:52,509 "But Clive, you sure? 367 00:20:52,593 --> 00:20:55,846 We don't hear anything that soft on the radio. 368 00:20:55,929 --> 00:20:58,849 ♪ When you're weary ♪ 369 00:20:58,932 --> 00:21:01,185 ♪ When you're weary ♪ 370 00:21:01,268 --> 00:21:02,853 "You can't get away with that." 371 00:21:03,312 --> 00:21:05,898 Clive said, "Watch, we're gonna get away with it." 372 00:21:05,981 --> 00:21:09,902 ♪ When tears are in... ♪ 373 00:21:09,985 --> 00:21:13,572 This is a great moment in my life 'cause it's about boldness. 374 00:21:15,157 --> 00:21:19,912 He knows when music is good, but better than good. 375 00:21:21,955 --> 00:21:23,791 Everyone thinks they can pick a hit song. 376 00:21:24,291 --> 00:21:26,418 Everyone thinks they know a great artist. 377 00:21:27,503 --> 00:21:30,297 There are just a few people who really understand it. 378 00:21:30,589 --> 00:21:33,133 And Clive is the epitome of that person. 379 00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:36,345 I'd been up to Columbia and I had played for John Hammond, 380 00:21:36,428 --> 00:21:39,348 and John said, "Gee, I love you, but you gotta play for Clive." 381 00:21:40,057 --> 00:21:42,893 And I went in, and I sat down, and played the songs. 382 00:21:42,976 --> 00:21:46,021 And this was, like, one of the biggest days of my life. 383 00:21:48,190 --> 00:21:51,819 We went in, we did the record and sent it over to him. 384 00:21:51,902 --> 00:21:54,738 And he sent it back. It's like... 385 00:21:54,822 --> 00:21:56,549 He sent it back and he says, "There's no singles. 386 00:21:56,573 --> 00:21:58,450 There's no singles on the record." 387 00:21:58,909 --> 00:22:03,038 And I said, "Well, you know, that's probably true, you know." 388 00:22:03,121 --> 00:22:06,667 And I went down to the beach and I wrote, "Blinded by the Light." 389 00:22:07,209 --> 00:22:08,293 And "Spirit In The Night." 390 00:22:08,919 --> 00:22:10,546 So that was a good call. 391 00:22:10,921 --> 00:22:12,881 "And she was blinded by the light, 392 00:22:13,006 --> 00:22:14,550 "cut loose like a goose." 393 00:22:14,842 --> 00:22:16,176 What a great phrase that is. 394 00:22:16,844 --> 00:22:19,471 There was a film of Clive, 395 00:22:19,555 --> 00:22:21,598 reciting the lyrics to "Blinded by the Light," 396 00:22:21,932 --> 00:22:24,977 which was sent out to all the branch offices. 397 00:22:25,185 --> 00:22:27,062 "And some fresh-sown moonstone 398 00:22:27,145 --> 00:22:28,939 "was messin' with his frozen zone... 399 00:22:30,107 --> 00:22:34,194 "to remind him of the feeling of romance." 400 00:22:34,528 --> 00:22:37,739 This goes on for about four or five minutes. 401 00:22:37,823 --> 00:22:42,035 And it impressed me as a tremendous personal commitment to my own career, 402 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,246 but also helped explain why there were 403 00:22:44,329 --> 00:22:46,039 both words and music on the record. 404 00:22:46,707 --> 00:22:50,168 ♪ And she was blinded By the light ♪ 405 00:22:50,252 --> 00:22:52,546 ♪ Oh, cut loose like a goose ♪ 406 00:22:52,629 --> 00:22:54,298 ♪ Another runner in the night ♪ 407 00:22:54,673 --> 00:22:57,718 ♪ Blinded by the light ♪ 408 00:22:58,885 --> 00:23:00,178 "Mama always told me 409 00:23:01,096 --> 00:23:02,889 "not to look into the sights of the sun. 410 00:23:03,890 --> 00:23:06,935 "Oh, but mama, that's where the fun is." 411 00:23:07,978 --> 00:23:10,606 Bruce... Springsteen. 412 00:23:12,649 --> 00:23:15,027 ♪ Nineteen seventy-one ♪ 413 00:23:15,819 --> 00:23:18,405 ♪ We all heard The starter's gun ♪ 414 00:23:19,156 --> 00:23:20,949 ♪ New York is such a pity... ♪ 415 00:23:21,033 --> 00:23:23,035 Clive Davis took me aside, put his arm around me, 416 00:23:23,118 --> 00:23:25,746 and said, "You're gonna be a big star. 417 00:23:26,580 --> 00:23:27,740 "And we're gonna sign you up, 418 00:23:28,498 --> 00:23:29,978 "and you're gonna have lots of money. 419 00:23:30,083 --> 00:23:31,835 "And your career is gonna explode." 420 00:23:32,836 --> 00:23:34,880 ♪ And then Old Clive Davis said ♪ 421 00:23:34,963 --> 00:23:38,550 ♪ Surely gonna make us a star ♪ 422 00:23:39,259 --> 00:23:40,344 Think about this. 423 00:23:40,886 --> 00:23:43,889 From an artist's perspective, I never felt ignored. 424 00:23:44,723 --> 00:23:47,123 Do you know how many artists he had to work with? How many... 425 00:23:48,602 --> 00:23:51,229 How much he had to do, in a day's work? 426 00:23:52,856 --> 00:23:54,066 No one felt left out. 427 00:23:55,192 --> 00:23:58,153 I remember the great Miles Davis coming to see me. 428 00:23:59,363 --> 00:24:01,531 And saying to me, 429 00:24:01,948 --> 00:24:03,992 "Why are you signing these fucking..." 430 00:24:04,076 --> 00:24:05,786 He used the word "fucking," 431 00:24:05,869 --> 00:24:07,537 "young white guys... 432 00:24:09,623 --> 00:24:11,625 "who are stealing my chops, 433 00:24:11,708 --> 00:24:14,920 and they're selling millions of albums." 434 00:24:15,379 --> 00:24:17,714 And he really was angry. 435 00:24:18,382 --> 00:24:19,841 Wanted off the label. 436 00:24:21,051 --> 00:24:23,720 I said, "Miles, to move into 437 00:24:23,929 --> 00:24:26,807 this new world of contemporary pop music, 438 00:24:27,349 --> 00:24:29,685 you're gonna have to let me book you 439 00:24:29,768 --> 00:24:32,062 at the Fillmore Easts and Wests of the world. 440 00:24:32,145 --> 00:24:33,897 You're gonna have to play colleges, 441 00:24:33,980 --> 00:24:37,067 you're gonna have to play to this young rock audience. 442 00:24:38,276 --> 00:24:39,903 And I know in my heart 443 00:24:39,986 --> 00:24:42,155 you're gonna learn from the experience. 444 00:24:42,239 --> 00:24:46,118 You're gonna adapt whatever your genius creates. 445 00:24:46,201 --> 00:24:49,079 You're gonna be affected by this." 446 00:24:57,921 --> 00:24:59,589 And it did affect him. 447 00:25:00,632 --> 00:25:03,468 So that his follow up album was Bitches Brew. 448 00:25:04,177 --> 00:25:05,512 And that broke through. 449 00:25:08,724 --> 00:25:11,268 And so I get this big package. 450 00:25:12,269 --> 00:25:14,312 And I open it up. 451 00:25:15,355 --> 00:25:16,690 And it's an outfit. 452 00:25:17,274 --> 00:25:20,110 And saying, "I want you to wear this 453 00:25:21,236 --> 00:25:23,655 to this gig at The Fillmore." 454 00:25:24,322 --> 00:25:28,410 And he was shocked that I came to the concert in it. 455 00:25:29,286 --> 00:25:30,912 We took pictures, 456 00:25:30,996 --> 00:25:34,833 and Cash Box put that on its cover, of me and Miles. 457 00:25:36,293 --> 00:25:39,838 I think Clive Davis... he knows how to spot talent. 458 00:25:39,921 --> 00:25:40,964 Yeah. 459 00:25:41,339 --> 00:25:43,425 He knows how to give that talent... 460 00:25:45,677 --> 00:25:46,928 room. 461 00:25:47,012 --> 00:25:48,054 To breathe, right. 462 00:25:48,138 --> 00:25:50,098 - You know, to breathe. - Yeah. 463 00:25:50,515 --> 00:25:53,351 And he did that with Huff and myself. 464 00:25:55,103 --> 00:25:58,899 I said, "How do we get into R&B music?" 465 00:25:59,024 --> 00:26:01,318 And I made a deal with Gamble and Huff 466 00:26:01,401 --> 00:26:04,279 and financed Philadelphia International. 467 00:26:04,362 --> 00:26:06,782 - ♪ People all over the world ♪ - ♪ Everybody ♪ 468 00:26:06,865 --> 00:26:08,825 - ♪ Join in ♪ - ♪ Join ♪ 469 00:26:08,909 --> 00:26:10,410 ♪ Start a love train ♪ 470 00:26:10,494 --> 00:26:12,245 ♪ Love train ♪ 471 00:26:12,329 --> 00:26:14,414 The O'Jays, with all their hits. 472 00:26:16,917 --> 00:26:19,169 Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes, 473 00:26:19,252 --> 00:26:21,296 featuring Teddy Pendergrass. 474 00:26:21,713 --> 00:26:26,218 - ♪ If you don't know me by now ♪ - ♪ If you don't ♪ 475 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,473 "Me and Mrs. Jones" by Billy Paul. 476 00:26:31,556 --> 00:26:33,266 ♪ Mrs. Jones ♪ 477 00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:35,435 ♪ Mrs. Jones, Mrs. Jones... ♪ 478 00:26:35,519 --> 00:26:38,104 One hit after another. 479 00:26:38,438 --> 00:26:42,234 ♪ We got a thing... ♪ 480 00:26:42,901 --> 00:26:45,695 Leading me to make my first move. 481 00:26:46,154 --> 00:26:48,156 And the first artist that I signed, 482 00:26:48,448 --> 00:26:49,866 in that connection, 483 00:26:49,950 --> 00:26:51,993 was Earth Wind & Fire. 484 00:26:52,077 --> 00:26:54,621 ♪ Do you remember? ♪ 485 00:26:54,704 --> 00:26:58,542 We became a major factor in R&B music. 486 00:26:58,708 --> 00:27:00,836 ♪ Love was changing the minds of pretenders ♪ 487 00:27:02,212 --> 00:27:04,047 ♪ While chasing The clouds away ♪ 488 00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:06,716 You know, he had a very three-dimensional sense 489 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,302 of what the music industry could become. 490 00:27:10,345 --> 00:27:12,931 There suddenly were like, millions and millions 491 00:27:13,014 --> 00:27:15,267 of young people who love this music. 492 00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:17,519 You know, they weren't necessarily being served, 493 00:27:18,228 --> 00:27:23,024 and along came someone like Clive Davis or Ahmet Ertegun who kinda got that. 494 00:27:23,525 --> 00:27:27,028 And, you know, they built the music business. 495 00:27:30,323 --> 00:27:32,242 The last artist that I signed to Columbia 496 00:27:32,325 --> 00:27:35,328 was an artist that I think is gonna happen in a very, very big way. 497 00:27:35,996 --> 00:27:37,539 I got into him, er... 498 00:27:37,664 --> 00:27:39,475 about a year and a half-- Before he was on another label, 499 00:27:39,499 --> 00:27:41,419 The Family Records label. I'm talking Billy Joel. 500 00:27:41,459 --> 00:27:45,088 ♪ It's nine o'clock On a Saturday ♪ 501 00:27:46,464 --> 00:27:49,009 ♪ The regular crowd Shuffles in ♪ 502 00:27:50,010 --> 00:27:52,387 You know, because of the signings that Clive made, 503 00:27:52,888 --> 00:27:56,433 Columbia really became, you know, the premier label in the country. 504 00:27:58,310 --> 00:28:00,937 Our market share zoomed up. 505 00:28:01,563 --> 00:28:04,232 We went from third place to first place. 506 00:28:04,608 --> 00:28:05,859 We were on fire. 507 00:28:06,526 --> 00:28:08,486 Columbia Records to me became 508 00:28:08,778 --> 00:28:10,698 the biggest and best record company in the world. 509 00:28:10,739 --> 00:28:14,826 They had a classical department, a country department, an R&B department-- 510 00:28:14,910 --> 00:28:16,912 They were in every aspect of the music business. 511 00:28:17,287 --> 00:28:20,040 He may have been a lawyer before he got into music, 512 00:28:20,415 --> 00:28:23,376 but when he got into music, he was a music man. 513 00:28:23,627 --> 00:28:26,338 I mean, a real music man. 514 00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:40,310 Thank you very much. 515 00:28:41,645 --> 00:28:44,397 I always worried. I worried in school. 516 00:28:46,650 --> 00:28:48,944 Never assumed because I might've had 517 00:28:49,027 --> 00:28:51,196 an A average that I would get an A. I would... 518 00:28:52,239 --> 00:28:53,281 I would worry. 519 00:28:54,783 --> 00:28:57,327 I think Clive took a very specific lesson 520 00:28:57,410 --> 00:28:58,912 from the death of his parents. 521 00:28:59,371 --> 00:29:02,999 The idea that, you know, you could rise to these heights 522 00:29:03,083 --> 00:29:05,961 and have that just suddenly disappear 523 00:29:06,044 --> 00:29:08,338 was a kind of deep-seated fear for him, 524 00:29:08,421 --> 00:29:12,133 that un--unbelievably came true in the world. 525 00:29:14,386 --> 00:29:16,137 It was 1973. 526 00:29:17,472 --> 00:29:19,975 Everything was going great at the label. 527 00:29:20,767 --> 00:29:24,896 When I had a meeting one day with the finance department, 528 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,358 and they told me they had uncovered 529 00:29:28,441 --> 00:29:31,611 a fraudulent invoice scheme. 530 00:29:33,488 --> 00:29:35,407 The story begins with Pat Falcone, 531 00:29:35,490 --> 00:29:37,158 a convicted heroin smuggler 532 00:29:37,242 --> 00:29:39,703 with ties to a large New York mafia family. 533 00:29:40,287 --> 00:29:42,789 Federal agents found documents in his apartment 534 00:29:43,498 --> 00:29:45,750 that were traced to David Wynshaw, 535 00:29:46,001 --> 00:29:47,377 a CBS Records executive. 536 00:29:51,464 --> 00:29:54,259 I was then told that Dave Wynshaw 537 00:29:54,342 --> 00:29:57,262 had submitted fraudulent invoices, 538 00:29:57,721 --> 00:29:59,514 involving myself, 539 00:30:00,932 --> 00:30:02,559 and forged my signature. 540 00:30:06,104 --> 00:30:08,231 We investigated everything. 541 00:30:08,356 --> 00:30:11,026 And I was cleared, I was never implicated. 542 00:30:11,109 --> 00:30:14,738 He never claimed that I knew anything, which I did not. 543 00:30:16,406 --> 00:30:19,326 To get a lower prison sentence, 544 00:30:19,409 --> 00:30:21,411 Dave came up with the allegation 545 00:30:21,494 --> 00:30:23,121 that there was payola 546 00:30:23,246 --> 00:30:24,956 and/or drugola 547 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,916 involved in the record industry, 548 00:30:27,167 --> 00:30:29,085 including Columbia Records. 549 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,592 Well, that made the matter enormously significant, 550 00:30:36,134 --> 00:30:39,137 to anybody, any company, especially CBS, 551 00:30:39,220 --> 00:30:42,515 with broadcast licenses from the federal government, 552 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:46,311 the fear of what the repercussion might be. 553 00:30:46,644 --> 00:30:49,731 He was working for this uptight CBS company, 554 00:30:49,814 --> 00:30:53,193 whose television network was more important to them 555 00:30:53,276 --> 00:30:54,436 than anything with the music. 556 00:30:54,819 --> 00:30:57,197 They had relationships in Washington 557 00:30:57,739 --> 00:30:59,115 and they had to be very careful. 558 00:30:59,324 --> 00:31:00,867 If there was a whiff of a scandal, 559 00:31:00,950 --> 00:31:02,619 somebody will dig into it 560 00:31:02,827 --> 00:31:05,413 and blow up the company. 561 00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:08,249 And, so they dumped him. 562 00:31:11,336 --> 00:31:13,129 Other than the death of my mother, 563 00:31:13,213 --> 00:31:16,424 it was the biggest shock of my life. 564 00:31:18,218 --> 00:31:21,596 He had to leave the building on the same day that he was fired. 565 00:31:21,888 --> 00:31:24,349 They had a security guard to escort him out. 566 00:31:24,766 --> 00:31:26,926 It was in all the papers. It really made him sound like 567 00:31:26,976 --> 00:31:28,478 like he was a... 568 00:31:28,561 --> 00:31:31,272 a crooked guy, and he wasn't. 569 00:31:31,731 --> 00:31:33,441 It was terrible. 570 00:31:34,609 --> 00:31:35,609 It was... 571 00:31:36,611 --> 00:31:39,030 It was a shock to us. 572 00:31:40,198 --> 00:31:41,950 It was, uh, sudden. 573 00:31:42,242 --> 00:31:44,994 And, you know, it was... and it was public. 574 00:31:45,995 --> 00:31:47,848 You know, all I heard about was how well everything was, 575 00:31:47,872 --> 00:31:49,582 and the next day, it all ends. 576 00:31:50,542 --> 00:31:53,503 This is the New York headquarters of the Columbia Broadcasting System, 577 00:31:53,711 --> 00:31:56,005 America's biggest radio and television network, 578 00:31:56,089 --> 00:31:58,091 and the country's biggest record producer. 579 00:31:59,092 --> 00:32:02,178 Within 24 hours, your dad's on the local news, 580 00:32:02,429 --> 00:32:04,139 the front page of the New York Times, 581 00:32:04,639 --> 00:32:05,849 and... and then home. 582 00:32:06,266 --> 00:32:08,184 Before he was fired, Davis was earning 583 00:32:08,268 --> 00:32:10,145 over 300,000 dollars a year, 584 00:32:10,228 --> 00:32:12,647 and was regarded as a genius in the record industry. 585 00:32:13,565 --> 00:32:15,650 That was a shameful chapter 586 00:32:15,775 --> 00:32:17,861 in Columbia's history, in my opinion. 587 00:32:18,695 --> 00:32:21,739 It was like a public shaming over... 588 00:32:22,615 --> 00:32:23,615 ...nothing. 589 00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:27,662 There was a sense in which 590 00:32:28,288 --> 00:32:29,706 Clive was being punished 591 00:32:29,789 --> 00:32:32,542 for, like, an industry that kind of had gotten uppity. 592 00:32:32,625 --> 00:32:34,294 And there was an element 593 00:32:34,419 --> 00:32:36,921 of the media coverage that just assumed 594 00:32:37,172 --> 00:32:39,674 that everybody was guilty, that it was all corrupt. 595 00:32:40,049 --> 00:32:43,761 And they had everything but evidence. 596 00:32:45,472 --> 00:32:48,600 For at least a two or three year period of time, 597 00:32:48,766 --> 00:32:50,685 it was a witch hunt. 598 00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:52,562 He was the big name. 599 00:32:52,645 --> 00:32:54,689 He was the face of the industry at that point. 600 00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:56,983 He became the person that-- 601 00:32:57,233 --> 00:32:59,235 "Well, we got Clive Davis." 602 00:33:00,028 --> 00:33:02,322 And they didn't have Clive Davis. 603 00:33:03,072 --> 00:33:04,365 They came up with nothing. 604 00:33:04,824 --> 00:33:06,743 As Dave Marsh said, 605 00:33:06,826 --> 00:33:08,953 in a big Rolling Stone article, 606 00:33:09,287 --> 00:33:11,122 "What a bust." 607 00:33:11,706 --> 00:33:14,834 What industry could take this kind of 608 00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:19,464 intense laser beam investigation, 609 00:33:19,547 --> 00:33:23,426 and thorough research, and come up so empty-handed? 610 00:33:24,511 --> 00:33:28,431 So the judge in this case, his name was Thomas P. Griesa, 611 00:33:29,098 --> 00:33:31,768 an exact quote from his decision. 612 00:33:32,435 --> 00:33:34,562 "I have reviewed the press articles 613 00:33:34,646 --> 00:33:36,397 going back some three years, 614 00:33:36,773 --> 00:33:41,152 and they are appalling in the innuendo and direct attempts 615 00:33:41,236 --> 00:33:43,279 to connect Mr. Davis 616 00:33:43,738 --> 00:33:46,783 with crimes with which he never was indicted, 617 00:33:47,408 --> 00:33:50,787 and to say nothing of never having been convicted. 618 00:33:51,704 --> 00:33:53,915 I have never had a case 619 00:33:54,415 --> 00:33:56,834 where this situation has existed, 620 00:33:57,252 --> 00:33:59,796 at least in anything like the degree 621 00:34:00,171 --> 00:34:01,965 which it exists here." 622 00:34:03,216 --> 00:34:05,426 You know, when you get the vindication, 623 00:34:05,510 --> 00:34:08,012 you really don't enjoy it fully, 624 00:34:08,096 --> 00:34:12,058 because that doesn't quite get the headlines anything near... 625 00:34:13,226 --> 00:34:15,520 the headlines that the accusations, 626 00:34:15,603 --> 00:34:17,939 that the speculation got. 627 00:34:18,565 --> 00:34:21,484 And that hurt. And it still hurts. 628 00:34:21,943 --> 00:34:23,194 Clive ended up, 629 00:34:23,695 --> 00:34:26,072 I mean, pleading guilty to, like, 630 00:34:26,155 --> 00:34:27,740 a very minor charge about, 631 00:34:28,491 --> 00:34:30,535 you know, expenses on a vacation. 632 00:34:30,952 --> 00:34:32,829 It was like a couple of grand, I think. 633 00:34:33,746 --> 00:34:34,746 And... you know, 634 00:34:35,832 --> 00:34:37,292 that was the end of that. 635 00:34:37,458 --> 00:34:39,377 That's what all of that amounted to. 636 00:34:39,794 --> 00:34:42,297 It's a story that stayed with me. 637 00:34:43,798 --> 00:34:46,217 I mean, maybe more than almost anything else in the book. 638 00:34:47,010 --> 00:34:51,180 But... because Clive pleaded guilty 639 00:34:51,431 --> 00:34:54,726 to, you know, this charge about his expenses, 640 00:34:55,768 --> 00:34:59,314 um, there was a subsequent impact which was, 641 00:34:59,397 --> 00:35:01,566 you know, he would have to apply for the bar again. 642 00:35:02,442 --> 00:35:03,860 And, who cares? 643 00:35:04,110 --> 00:35:07,155 You know, Clive never had any interest in practicing law again. 644 00:35:07,905 --> 00:35:09,741 He was, you know, 645 00:35:09,824 --> 00:35:12,493 just astonishingly successful 646 00:35:12,577 --> 00:35:14,621 as the president of a record company. 647 00:35:15,246 --> 00:35:18,791 But in the mid-'90s, when I saw the numbers, 648 00:35:19,417 --> 00:35:23,338 and Clive was making tens of millions of dollars every year, 649 00:35:24,380 --> 00:35:27,300 he would go home, every night, and study for the bar exam. 650 00:35:28,301 --> 00:35:31,220 And then went and took the test and passed it 651 00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:33,598 and got his law license back. 652 00:35:34,515 --> 00:35:36,142 That's how much this meant to him. 653 00:35:36,768 --> 00:35:40,313 That, you know, 30 years later, 654 00:35:40,938 --> 00:35:44,317 it was still enough on his mind for him to do something like that. 655 00:35:45,234 --> 00:35:46,694 Er... you know, 656 00:35:47,487 --> 00:35:49,447 I don't think he's ever really gotten over it. 657 00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:17,016 Even in the midst of the innuendo, 658 00:36:17,725 --> 00:36:20,478 I had gotten offers from a number of people. 659 00:36:21,229 --> 00:36:24,899 Alan Hirschfield came along with great enthusiasm, 660 00:36:25,024 --> 00:36:28,695 offering me a new company that he would set up with me. 661 00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:37,537 The term, "Arista," which is known in the New York area where I live, er... 662 00:36:38,579 --> 00:36:41,582 was the name of a high school honorary society of all high schools 663 00:36:41,666 --> 00:36:44,210 in the secondary school area of New York. 664 00:36:44,919 --> 00:36:46,438 So I felt that it was both personal and yet 665 00:36:46,462 --> 00:36:49,507 it was also synonymous with something that was first class. 666 00:36:56,305 --> 00:36:59,225 Alan put in ten million dollars in cash. 667 00:36:59,308 --> 00:37:01,561 And I could pick any artist 668 00:37:02,019 --> 00:37:03,730 from the previous company 669 00:37:03,813 --> 00:37:06,649 that Columbia Pictures owned, Bell Records. 670 00:37:07,859 --> 00:37:09,902 In principle, kept two. 671 00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:13,948 They were not known. 672 00:37:14,031 --> 00:37:16,200 Each had one album out before. 673 00:37:16,743 --> 00:37:19,996 Neither was successful with that first album. 674 00:37:21,748 --> 00:37:23,875 I had done an album, my first album, 675 00:37:23,958 --> 00:37:26,377 for Bell Records, which sold five copies, 676 00:37:26,878 --> 00:37:30,423 when there was a knock on my trailer door, and it was Clive. 677 00:37:30,757 --> 00:37:33,634 And he shook my hand and he said, "Welcome to Arista Records." 678 00:37:33,968 --> 00:37:36,095 And it was the beginning of a career for me 679 00:37:36,179 --> 00:37:38,055 that I never, ever imagined. 680 00:37:41,350 --> 00:37:43,519 But he said, "You need a hit single." 681 00:37:44,061 --> 00:37:47,940 And then, this messenger arrived with a package from Clive. 682 00:37:48,149 --> 00:37:50,443 He said, "I think this might be it." 683 00:37:50,693 --> 00:37:52,236 And it was a song called "Brandy." 684 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,113 ♪ Oh, Brandy ♪ 685 00:37:54,197 --> 00:37:58,618 ♪ Well, you came And you gave without takin' ♪ 686 00:37:59,786 --> 00:38:01,037 He was pretty shocked. 687 00:38:01,871 --> 00:38:03,748 "You mean, you think I should record... 688 00:38:05,082 --> 00:38:06,292 an outside song?" 689 00:38:06,375 --> 00:38:08,795 He said to me, "I'm a composer. 690 00:38:08,878 --> 00:38:13,090 Yes, I arrange, yes I sing, yes I've done commercials, but--" 691 00:38:13,591 --> 00:38:17,512 I said, "You know, when you're a pop artist, you need hits. 692 00:38:18,012 --> 00:38:20,389 And in going through your album, 693 00:38:20,890 --> 00:38:22,725 I don't think you've got a first single. 694 00:38:22,975 --> 00:38:25,603 I don't-- You need a first single." 695 00:38:25,686 --> 00:38:27,104 It was a pretty melody. 696 00:38:27,438 --> 00:38:30,125 Only I slowed it down, we slowed it down, made it-- 'Cause it was like... 697 00:38:30,149 --> 00:38:33,110 - ♪ I remember all my life ♪ - Oh yeah. 698 00:38:33,194 --> 00:38:34,987 ♪ Raining down as cold as ice ♪ 699 00:38:35,071 --> 00:38:36,864 That's how the demo went, you know? 700 00:38:36,948 --> 00:38:38,199 And, it was very nice. 701 00:38:38,574 --> 00:38:42,745 But I--I suggested to him at the recording session, 702 00:38:42,829 --> 00:38:44,288 "Now, why don't we do it like... 703 00:38:44,622 --> 00:38:46,707 ...really easy, you know?" 704 00:38:47,291 --> 00:38:50,131 And he sat there. I remember him sitting in the recording studio like... 705 00:38:51,295 --> 00:38:54,799 So ladies and gentlemen, the newest star for America, 706 00:38:54,882 --> 00:38:56,884 Mr. Barry Manilow. 707 00:38:57,969 --> 00:38:59,887 ♪ Oh, Mandy ♪ 708 00:38:59,971 --> 00:39:04,016 ♪ Well, you came And you gave without takin' ♪ 709 00:39:04,934 --> 00:39:06,811 ♪ But I sent you away ♪ 710 00:39:06,894 --> 00:39:08,479 ♪ Oh, Mandy ♪ 711 00:39:08,563 --> 00:39:11,357 It became the first record out on Arista... 712 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,151 and it went straight to number one. 713 00:39:16,070 --> 00:39:18,823 You know, when you start a company, from scratch, so to speak, 714 00:39:19,115 --> 00:39:21,826 with an artist such as Barry Manilow who sells millions of albums, 715 00:39:21,951 --> 00:39:24,453 we have become in a three-and-a-half year period of time, 716 00:39:24,537 --> 00:39:26,831 the sixth largest record company in the United States. 717 00:39:27,081 --> 00:39:31,210 ♪ Don't cry out loud ♪ 718 00:39:31,711 --> 00:39:34,755 We've had gold albums from Melissa Manchester and The Outlaws. 719 00:39:36,465 --> 00:39:39,302 We've had platinum albums from Alan Parsons, with I Robot. 720 00:39:39,385 --> 00:39:42,763 ♪ S-A-T-U-R-D-A-Y, night! ♪ 721 00:39:42,847 --> 00:39:44,223 We have the Bay City Rollers. 722 00:39:45,516 --> 00:39:48,436 And I've attracted The Kinks, Lou Reed, The Grateful Dead. 723 00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:52,064 ♪ Livin' in A rock 'n' roll fantasy ♪ 724 00:39:52,732 --> 00:39:55,985 Clive was the one suit that we weren't distrustful of. 725 00:39:56,861 --> 00:39:59,155 He had a reputation for, you know, 726 00:39:59,238 --> 00:40:02,408 having the ear, you know? The golden ear. 727 00:40:03,284 --> 00:40:05,202 ♪ We used to play for acid ♪ 728 00:40:05,286 --> 00:40:06,662 ♪ Now we play for Clive ♪ 729 00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:12,960 Clive came in there, and, I wouldn't necessarily say it was overnight, 730 00:40:13,044 --> 00:40:15,922 but, in a very, very short period of time, all of a sudden, 731 00:40:16,005 --> 00:40:19,008 Arista became a very competitive label. 732 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,096 ♪ All by myself ♪ 733 00:40:25,389 --> 00:40:28,017 Using Columbia as a model, 734 00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:32,355 I wanted Arista to be in every area of music. 735 00:40:32,563 --> 00:40:34,315 ♪ I said what's the word? ♪ 736 00:40:35,024 --> 00:40:36,859 ♪ Tell me brother Have you heard ♪ 737 00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:39,278 ♪ From Johannesburg? ♪ 738 00:40:40,363 --> 00:40:42,031 There was Gil Scott-Heron, 739 00:40:42,114 --> 00:40:44,575 in a major sense, the first rapper. 740 00:40:45,368 --> 00:40:47,161 ♪ The revolution Will not be televised ♪ 741 00:40:47,244 --> 00:40:49,455 ♪ The revolution will not Be brought to you by Xerox ♪ 742 00:40:49,538 --> 00:40:51,666 ♪ In four parts without Commercial interruption ♪ 743 00:40:52,625 --> 00:40:55,753 And he represented, you know, that part 744 00:40:56,420 --> 00:40:59,674 of New York that I associate Arista with. 745 00:40:59,757 --> 00:41:02,468 We were a New York label. 746 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,846 We were so much in the forefront, 747 00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:09,433 of the hip, happening cultural explosion 748 00:41:09,642 --> 00:41:11,727 that was taking place in New York. 749 00:41:12,186 --> 00:41:16,399 We had the only Saturday Night Live comedy album. 750 00:41:17,274 --> 00:41:18,818 If Lily Tomlin was doing 751 00:41:18,901 --> 00:41:20,736 her heralded Broadway Show, 752 00:41:21,237 --> 00:41:22,571 we recorded it. 753 00:41:23,406 --> 00:41:27,368 So we were very much in the center of New York life. 754 00:41:31,789 --> 00:41:36,210 You know, someone like me, who is so irreverent, unskilled, 755 00:41:36,669 --> 00:41:39,630 and, you know, quite the diamond in the rough, 756 00:41:39,964 --> 00:41:42,425 might seem like an odd choice for Clive. 757 00:41:43,134 --> 00:41:45,261 But I've learned through the years 758 00:41:45,344 --> 00:41:49,098 that Clive really has a weakness for artists. 759 00:41:50,057 --> 00:41:53,310 ♪ Jesus died ♪ 760 00:41:53,394 --> 00:41:56,105 ♪ For somebody's sins ♪ 761 00:41:56,272 --> 00:41:59,150 ♪ But not mine ♪ 762 00:42:00,568 --> 00:42:03,112 She became my favorite. What can I say? 763 00:42:04,030 --> 00:42:07,992 You can see the spit coming down and some-- 764 00:42:08,075 --> 00:42:10,703 I don't mean to paint an unflattering image, but-- 765 00:42:10,786 --> 00:42:13,622 you're dealing with the real thing. No artifice here. 766 00:42:13,706 --> 00:42:15,958 No, "Is my make-up in the right place?" 767 00:42:16,625 --> 00:42:20,379 She was there, tearing your heart out, stimulating your mind. 768 00:42:20,463 --> 00:42:24,175 ♪ Because the night Belongs to lovers ♪ 769 00:42:24,258 --> 00:42:28,054 ♪ Because the night Belongs to lust ♪ 770 00:42:28,429 --> 00:42:31,474 "Because the Night" was my first record I ever produced. 771 00:42:32,266 --> 00:42:36,228 Clive is very cool with Patti. He let her do her thing. 772 00:42:36,312 --> 00:42:38,457 See, that's very important to know. 'Cause a lot of people say 773 00:42:38,481 --> 00:42:40,733 he controls a lot. But Patti, 774 00:42:40,983 --> 00:42:43,778 and artists like that, he just lets them do their thing. 775 00:42:45,237 --> 00:42:47,531 Clive knows there're two types of artists: 776 00:42:47,615 --> 00:42:49,551 There's the self-contained artist, and there's the artist 777 00:42:49,575 --> 00:42:51,702 that you have to actually A&R the project. 778 00:42:51,952 --> 00:42:54,663 I say Clive and Berry Gordy are up there 779 00:42:54,747 --> 00:42:57,541 as the top two A&Rs of all time history. 780 00:42:58,501 --> 00:43:02,129 It's difficult, in the rock area, to say, 781 00:43:02,213 --> 00:43:06,801 "Oh, I'm gonna sign an artist that is gonna explode." 782 00:43:07,301 --> 00:43:10,638 So I began for the first time, 783 00:43:10,721 --> 00:43:14,308 really meeting and beginning relationships 784 00:43:14,642 --> 00:43:18,729 with what we call music publishers who sign writers. 785 00:43:19,313 --> 00:43:21,816 And you play 786 00:43:22,191 --> 00:43:24,193 the material of the artist 787 00:43:24,276 --> 00:43:27,029 and you say, "I need hit songs." 788 00:43:27,238 --> 00:43:29,824 Artists always have their own album cuts. 789 00:43:30,282 --> 00:43:32,785 I need hit songs. 790 00:43:32,952 --> 00:43:36,539 We do the full chorus similar to the first time it appears, 791 00:43:36,622 --> 00:43:38,999 - Okay. - ...rather than what it was the second. 792 00:43:39,083 --> 00:43:42,128 And that's it. And I think it's another great Jim Steinman song. 793 00:43:42,878 --> 00:43:46,549 Clive was A&R, which stands for "artist and repertoire." 794 00:43:46,841 --> 00:43:50,052 He would take an artist, and take a song, 795 00:43:50,219 --> 00:43:52,179 and say, "You should do this song." 796 00:43:52,263 --> 00:43:55,141 I mean, that's what happened when he went to Arista. 797 00:43:55,724 --> 00:44:01,772 ♪ I write the songs that make the whole world sing ♪ 798 00:44:02,481 --> 00:44:05,317 Every song he submitted to me has been right on the money. 799 00:44:05,693 --> 00:44:08,988 He showed me "I Write the Songs" and he showed me "Looks Like We Made It" 800 00:44:09,238 --> 00:44:12,032 and "Weekend in New England" and this newest one 801 00:44:12,116 --> 00:44:14,344 "Can't Smile Without You." And every time he submits one, 802 00:44:14,368 --> 00:44:16,221 I say, "I don't think that's a good song at all. 803 00:44:16,245 --> 00:44:18,122 I think you're crazy." And he's always right. 804 00:44:18,664 --> 00:44:25,171 ♪ You know I can't smile without you ♪ 805 00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:28,007 Clive comes from his heart. 806 00:44:28,591 --> 00:44:31,135 Every time Clive said, "This is a hit record," 807 00:44:31,218 --> 00:44:33,929 it moved him and that's what happened to the audiences. 808 00:44:34,180 --> 00:44:36,390 If I got it right, it moved you. 809 00:44:36,473 --> 00:44:41,729 ♪ When will our eyes meet? ♪ 810 00:44:42,855 --> 00:44:45,691 ♪ When can I touch you? ♪ 811 00:44:46,233 --> 00:44:48,611 As much as his gratitude was, 812 00:44:48,694 --> 00:44:51,822 for the fact that every song I was submitting 813 00:44:51,906 --> 00:44:55,826 turned out to be a big hit and a signature copyright... 814 00:44:56,744 --> 00:45:00,873 there was some element of it which bothered him. 815 00:45:01,123 --> 00:45:04,001 And he very candidly looked at me, 816 00:45:04,835 --> 00:45:07,880 and he said, "Clive, I love what you're doing, 817 00:45:08,339 --> 00:45:10,758 but it's so different from my dream. 818 00:45:11,508 --> 00:45:14,261 My dream, all my life, I was a composer. 819 00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:18,682 My dream, all my life, is I'm an arranger. I'm a musician. 820 00:45:20,351 --> 00:45:23,312 And you have turned me into Andy Williams." 821 00:45:23,437 --> 00:45:28,275 And I said, "Pop artists need a continuity of hits. 822 00:45:28,359 --> 00:45:30,986 Otherwise the public, if they don't hear you on the radio, 823 00:45:31,153 --> 00:45:34,531 they don't know that you're out with a new release." 824 00:45:34,865 --> 00:45:38,285 So we both had the satisfaction, because from the songs, 825 00:45:38,702 --> 00:45:42,581 Barry had been inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame. 826 00:45:42,665 --> 00:45:46,377 And the very next year, he asked me to present him 827 00:45:46,669 --> 00:45:49,505 with the music society's biggest award, 828 00:45:49,672 --> 00:45:51,382 and that is the Ella Award. 829 00:45:51,465 --> 00:45:54,802 It goes to the great singers, like Sinatra, 830 00:45:55,302 --> 00:45:56,804 like Tony Bennett, 831 00:45:57,137 --> 00:45:58,430 like Johnny Mathis. 832 00:45:58,639 --> 00:45:59,890 So that sums up, 833 00:46:00,391 --> 00:46:03,519 you know, where he can have his satisfaction as a writer. 834 00:46:04,269 --> 00:46:06,438 And I can have my satisfaction 835 00:46:06,522 --> 00:46:10,234 of always viewing him as a great interpretive performer. 836 00:46:10,317 --> 00:46:15,155 And that's why he sells out stadiums to this very day, 837 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:16,490 all over the world. 838 00:46:16,824 --> 00:46:21,078 ♪ I've been up, down ♪ 839 00:46:21,161 --> 00:46:25,290 ♪ Trying to get The feeling again ♪ 840 00:46:25,374 --> 00:46:31,463 He would give me two songs on each album, because I built up so many songs... 841 00:46:33,173 --> 00:46:35,384 with his quota of two an album... 842 00:46:36,677 --> 00:46:39,596 that I had a backlog. 843 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:40,931 I had all these songs. 844 00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:44,393 I should be able to launch another career. 845 00:46:44,476 --> 00:46:48,605 And I couldn't do it with another male, so I had to look for a female. 846 00:46:51,150 --> 00:46:55,696 What great voice was not recording these days? 847 00:46:56,488 --> 00:46:58,949 But should be recording these days? 848 00:47:00,909 --> 00:47:04,913 ♪ I know I'll never ♪ 849 00:47:04,997 --> 00:47:07,750 ♪ Love this way again ♪ 850 00:47:08,876 --> 00:47:11,003 I happened to be doing a TV show 851 00:47:11,086 --> 00:47:14,048 that he also was doing, The Dinah Shore Show. 852 00:47:14,131 --> 00:47:16,508 And he asked was I recording. 853 00:47:16,592 --> 00:47:19,178 And I said, "Uh, you know, I think I... 854 00:47:19,261 --> 00:47:23,223 I've probably had it with recording at this point in time." 855 00:47:23,307 --> 00:47:25,893 And he says, "Well, let me tell you one thing, young lady." 856 00:47:25,976 --> 00:47:27,519 He said it just like that. 857 00:47:27,603 --> 00:47:30,773 He said, "You may be ready to give the industry up, 858 00:47:30,856 --> 00:47:32,691 but the industry is not ready to give you up." 859 00:47:32,775 --> 00:47:34,443 ♪ Deja vu ♪ 860 00:47:36,653 --> 00:47:40,282 ♪ Could you be the dream that I once knew ♪ 861 00:47:40,365 --> 00:47:42,701 And so I signed her, this past year. 862 00:47:42,785 --> 00:47:46,330 She gave us her first album. We find that now it's platinum. 863 00:47:46,413 --> 00:47:51,043 ♪ Why do you have to be A heartbreaker? ♪ 864 00:47:51,668 --> 00:47:53,504 Because of Clive's expertise in matching 865 00:47:53,587 --> 00:47:57,424 great songs with great artists, he has that rare ability 866 00:47:57,508 --> 00:48:00,427 to take great, extraordinary artists, 867 00:48:00,511 --> 00:48:05,390 whose careers may have languished for one reason or another, 868 00:48:05,474 --> 00:48:08,060 and just bring them back stronger than ever. 869 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:09,895 Hello. 870 00:48:09,978 --> 00:48:14,358 The Dionne success led to a relationship with Aretha Franklin. 871 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,611 She was no longer working with Jerry Wexler, 872 00:48:17,694 --> 00:48:20,280 and her recent records had not made it. 873 00:48:22,241 --> 00:48:24,409 She called me, and we met. 874 00:48:25,369 --> 00:48:29,081 He came out to Los Angeles, mmm-hmm, in '79. 875 00:48:29,164 --> 00:48:31,208 To my home out in Encino. 876 00:48:31,291 --> 00:48:35,337 He had the reputation of one of the great record men at that time. 877 00:48:36,004 --> 00:48:40,551 And of course, now the greatest record man of all time. 878 00:48:40,634 --> 00:48:46,306 ♪ We goin' riding on the freeway of love Wind's against our backs ♪ 879 00:48:47,224 --> 00:48:49,726 Because she was already a national treasure 880 00:48:49,810 --> 00:48:52,104 by the time she and I met, 881 00:48:52,187 --> 00:48:55,149 my job was to come up with those songs 882 00:48:55,232 --> 00:48:59,820 where she can show what she does like nobody else can do. 883 00:48:59,903 --> 00:49:02,156 - ♪ Knew you were waiting ♪ - ♪ I did ♪ 884 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,117 ♪ Knew you were waiting For me, yeah ♪ 885 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,411 ♪ I didn't falter ♪ 886 00:49:07,494 --> 00:49:09,329 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 887 00:49:09,955 --> 00:49:13,375 I really felt appreciated, genuinely, 888 00:49:14,168 --> 00:49:16,628 and I said, "This is who I'm gonna sign with." 889 00:49:17,129 --> 00:49:21,216 ♪ Sisters are doin' it For themselves ♪ 890 00:49:23,802 --> 00:49:29,933 And 40 years later, no, 20 years later, I said, "You made the right decision. 891 00:49:30,017 --> 00:49:31,727 You made the right decision." 892 00:49:31,810 --> 00:49:34,104 ♪ I'm all out of love ♪ 893 00:49:34,188 --> 00:49:36,148 ♪ I'm so lost without you ♪ 894 00:49:36,231 --> 00:49:38,150 He feels what's gonna be popular. 895 00:49:38,233 --> 00:49:40,652 ♪ Believing for so long ♪ 896 00:49:40,736 --> 00:49:42,946 ♪ Come dancin' ♪ 897 00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:46,658 Whether it's an artist, a song, a record, an arrangement. 898 00:49:46,742 --> 00:49:49,077 ♪ ...not come dancin'? ♪ 899 00:49:49,161 --> 00:49:51,121 ♪ It's only natural ♪ 900 00:49:51,205 --> 00:49:53,165 He just says, "That one!" 901 00:49:53,248 --> 00:49:56,084 Kenny G. Who would have ever thought 902 00:49:56,168 --> 00:49:59,171 that a solo sax player would be so successful? 903 00:49:59,254 --> 00:50:02,341 But that's Clive. He just says, "That one!" 904 00:50:06,386 --> 00:50:08,347 All day long. That's all I do. 905 00:50:14,019 --> 00:50:16,980 I started off playing with a band called Jeff Lorber Fusion. 906 00:50:17,064 --> 00:50:18,899 So, that's how I got introduced to Clive. 907 00:50:19,775 --> 00:50:21,693 Five years later is when he said, 908 00:50:21,777 --> 00:50:24,321 "Do you think Kenny would want to make his own solo records?" 909 00:50:24,404 --> 00:50:28,158 Got Kenny G's albums, including the brand new album, Gravity. 910 00:50:30,035 --> 00:50:33,664 He might not have been the greatest jazz saxophone player, 911 00:50:34,456 --> 00:50:38,252 but those pop melodies, those notes that he hit, 912 00:50:39,211 --> 00:50:42,089 the looks that he had, he could be a star. 913 00:50:50,264 --> 00:50:52,724 But these were the days when there was no radio stations 914 00:50:52,808 --> 00:50:54,893 playing instrumental music. There wasn't any. 915 00:50:56,186 --> 00:50:58,355 Clive Davis, this is where he really stepped in. 916 00:50:58,438 --> 00:51:00,190 He starts writing hand-written letters 917 00:51:00,274 --> 00:51:02,359 to the radio programmers around the country 918 00:51:02,442 --> 00:51:04,528 to play "Songbird" on pop radio. 919 00:51:05,904 --> 00:51:07,990 And that's what really started my career. 920 00:51:10,242 --> 00:51:13,578 I mean, you know, 60, 70 million albums later, 921 00:51:13,662 --> 00:51:17,457 he's by far the biggest-selling instrumentalist of all time. 922 00:51:19,876 --> 00:51:22,587 Okay, so we sold five million on Duotones, 923 00:51:22,671 --> 00:51:24,256 five million on Silhouette. 924 00:51:24,339 --> 00:51:26,842 Then the live record came out, that sold four or five million. 925 00:51:26,925 --> 00:51:29,011 Now Breathless comes out, that sells 12 million. 926 00:51:29,094 --> 00:51:31,555 Clive says, "Maybe you should do a Christmas record." 927 00:51:31,638 --> 00:51:34,391 I said, "Clive, I'm Jewish. Come on." 928 00:51:34,474 --> 00:51:37,686 He goes, "Okay, Irving Berlin wrote White Christmas. 929 00:51:37,769 --> 00:51:40,856 Jewish. I'm Jewish. Do a Christmas record." 930 00:51:53,827 --> 00:51:56,538 So I do this 11-song Christmas record. 931 00:51:57,539 --> 00:52:00,667 Clive goes, "Needs a vocal. Not just an instrumental." 932 00:52:00,751 --> 00:52:03,396 I said, "Clive, that's the whole point. I want it to be an instrumental 933 00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:06,465 so that it plays from the beginning to the end with one theme." 934 00:52:07,883 --> 00:52:10,635 He goes, "Okay. Here's the thing. As your..." 935 00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,971 He would call himself, this is his words, 936 00:52:13,055 --> 00:52:15,015 "I'm your friendly provocateur. 937 00:52:15,891 --> 00:52:17,267 But it's your career. 938 00:52:17,351 --> 00:52:21,563 In my opinion, you do this, it's a serious career mistake. 939 00:52:21,646 --> 00:52:25,692 But it's your career." That's how he would always do it, he says, 940 00:52:25,776 --> 00:52:28,236 "You're gonna blow your whole career, but it's your decision." 941 00:52:29,696 --> 00:52:32,240 He goes, "All right. Put it out." 942 00:52:32,324 --> 00:52:36,161 And it SoundScan's the number one Christmas record in the history of music. 943 00:52:37,496 --> 00:52:39,623 So I said, "Clive, can I just say something to you?" 944 00:52:39,706 --> 00:52:41,017 And he goes, "Of course, you're family." 945 00:52:41,041 --> 00:52:43,668 I said, "Clive, can you look at me now and say 946 00:52:43,752 --> 00:52:46,088 that I was right about the Christmas record?" 947 00:52:46,171 --> 00:52:49,007 He goes, "No, it would have sold a lot more if you had listened to me." 948 00:52:52,302 --> 00:52:55,022 - What do you look for in an artist? - Well you look for originality. 949 00:52:55,097 --> 00:52:56,741 You never know where you're gonna find them, really. 950 00:52:56,765 --> 00:53:00,602 But, when you see them, when they have that spark of originality, 951 00:53:00,685 --> 00:53:02,521 when they have that spark of, 952 00:53:02,604 --> 00:53:06,274 uh, whether it be as a performer, or whether it be as a writer, 953 00:53:06,358 --> 00:53:10,195 uh, you just know you're in the presence of somebody special. 954 00:53:10,278 --> 00:53:13,865 - She's how old? 19? - This girl is 19-years-old. 955 00:53:13,949 --> 00:53:16,535 She also happens to be a model. 956 00:53:16,618 --> 00:53:20,956 Yes, she is. She's a beautiful girl. And, her poise doesn't hurt. 957 00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:23,250 Uh, but it's her natural charm. 958 00:53:23,333 --> 00:53:25,919 I mean, you either got it or you don't have it. 959 00:53:26,002 --> 00:53:28,171 - She's got it. - She got it. Wait till you hear her. 960 00:53:28,463 --> 00:53:29,923 Here's Whitney Houston. 961 00:53:39,850 --> 00:53:42,853 ♪ When I think of home ♪ 962 00:53:44,312 --> 00:53:46,565 ♪ I think of a place ♪ 963 00:53:48,650 --> 00:53:52,571 ♪ Where there's love overflowing ♪ 964 00:53:55,365 --> 00:53:59,911 Jerry Griffith, an A&R man that worked for me at Arista, 965 00:53:59,995 --> 00:54:03,415 told me that he had seen a young female performer 966 00:54:03,498 --> 00:54:05,000 that he thought was very special. 967 00:54:06,126 --> 00:54:08,462 I started singing professionally at 12, 968 00:54:08,545 --> 00:54:11,173 with my mom doing background sessions, here in the city, 969 00:54:11,256 --> 00:54:13,376 and then eventually singing with her in the nightclub. 970 00:54:13,425 --> 00:54:14,885 And that kind of thing. 971 00:54:17,888 --> 00:54:21,808 So I went down to a club called Sweetwater's to see her. 972 00:54:24,269 --> 00:54:25,645 And I was floored. 973 00:54:26,521 --> 00:54:29,774 One of her songs was "The Greatest Love of All." 974 00:54:29,858 --> 00:54:32,194 She found more meaning in this song 975 00:54:32,277 --> 00:54:34,863 than I believe that the composers knew were there. 976 00:54:35,614 --> 00:54:41,077 ♪ Makes it all so clean ♪ 977 00:54:41,161 --> 00:54:44,706 My mother always told me to know what I was singing about, 978 00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:47,792 and to be able to feel everything that you're singing, 979 00:54:47,876 --> 00:54:49,544 or it would never come across. 980 00:54:50,587 --> 00:54:52,631 I knew that there was competition, 981 00:54:52,714 --> 00:54:56,301 that there were one or two labels that were very interested. 982 00:54:56,384 --> 00:55:02,224 But I definitely got the feeling that this was a special audition for them. 983 00:55:03,975 --> 00:55:06,645 A few people were also interested in Whitney, 984 00:55:06,728 --> 00:55:10,649 but Cissy felt that Whitney would be in better care with Clive. 985 00:55:10,732 --> 00:55:13,860 And that's where the connection started, right there at Sweetwater's. 986 00:55:13,944 --> 00:55:17,739 ♪ And I've learned That we must ♪ 987 00:55:17,822 --> 00:55:22,244 ♪ Look inside our hearts ♪ 988 00:55:22,327 --> 00:55:25,497 ♪ To find ♪ 989 00:55:25,580 --> 00:55:27,832 ♪ Yeah, we gotta find ♪ 990 00:55:29,501 --> 00:55:33,338 ♪ A world of love ♪ 991 00:55:34,965 --> 00:55:39,844 ♪ Like yours, like mine ♪ 992 00:55:42,347 --> 00:55:46,560 ♪ Like home ♪ 993 00:55:49,729 --> 00:55:52,816 ♪ Home ♪ 994 00:56:03,368 --> 00:56:06,538 You won't forget that name, Whitney Houston. 995 00:56:13,837 --> 00:56:17,591 I first met Clive in 1984. 996 00:56:17,674 --> 00:56:18,883 Hello there. 997 00:56:18,967 --> 00:56:20,510 We would meet in the office. 998 00:56:20,594 --> 00:56:23,513 And he would always be behind his desk, playing music. 999 00:56:26,433 --> 00:56:30,478 That was the period where he was just launching Whitney. 1000 00:56:30,562 --> 00:56:32,689 And he was very excited about it. 1001 00:56:34,774 --> 00:56:38,278 ♪ There's a boy I know ♪ 1002 00:56:38,361 --> 00:56:40,864 ♪ He's the one I dream of ♪ 1003 00:56:41,906 --> 00:56:44,117 After Merv Griffin, 1004 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,953 we had really good buzz, really good word-of-mouth. 1005 00:56:47,787 --> 00:56:50,790 But I know that it's material that's so key. 1006 00:56:52,042 --> 00:56:56,963 So, I held a New York showcase and I held a Los Angeles showcase, 1007 00:56:57,047 --> 00:57:01,509 and invited the most successful songwriters in the business. 1008 00:57:02,218 --> 00:57:03,928 The gathering was a Davis innovation 1009 00:57:04,012 --> 00:57:07,307 to introduce one of his newest singers, Whitney Houston. 1010 00:57:07,766 --> 00:57:11,436 ♪ How will I know If he really loves me? ♪ 1011 00:57:12,103 --> 00:57:15,440 And from that process, they would submit 1012 00:57:15,523 --> 00:57:19,027 their best, top-drawer, first-rate material to us. 1013 00:57:19,778 --> 00:57:22,447 I remember Clive calling me and telling me to come to his office. 1014 00:57:22,530 --> 00:57:25,784 That he needed to see me and he needed to play some music for me. 1015 00:57:27,035 --> 00:57:29,715 Well, in my mind I was like, "Why don't you just send me the tapes?" 1016 00:57:29,746 --> 00:57:32,499 "No. No. 1017 00:57:32,582 --> 00:57:34,626 No, I have to be here with you. 1018 00:57:34,709 --> 00:57:37,921 I have to feel you. And you have to feel me." 1019 00:57:38,004 --> 00:57:39,005 That was my first lesson. 1020 00:57:39,089 --> 00:57:42,217 ♪ How will I know? ♪ 1021 00:57:42,759 --> 00:57:44,386 ♪ How will I know? ♪ 1022 00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:48,890 ♪ How will I know? ♪ 1023 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,771 This demo that I'm gonna play for you... 1024 00:57:54,854 --> 00:57:59,401 this, at the time, could have been done by Olivia Newton-John. 1025 00:57:59,734 --> 00:58:03,113 It would've been somewhat surface, like pop. 1026 00:58:03,780 --> 00:58:05,365 Probably a hit record. 1027 00:58:05,448 --> 00:58:07,993 But I knew and heard in my head... 1028 00:58:09,327 --> 00:58:11,037 that with a stronger beat... 1029 00:58:12,622 --> 00:58:16,418 that the way that Whitney, with her vocal genius, 1030 00:58:16,501 --> 00:58:18,712 it won't be "I wanna dance with somebody," 1031 00:58:18,795 --> 00:58:22,048 it'll sound like, "I wanna go to bed with somebody." 1032 00:58:22,132 --> 00:58:24,092 It's gonna have far more heat. 1033 00:58:24,175 --> 00:58:27,512 It's gonna have far more sensuality. 1034 00:58:27,595 --> 00:58:31,891 And it's not gonna be this very pop-ish record, 1035 00:58:31,975 --> 00:58:34,394 'cause we're gonna give it a tougher bottom. 1036 00:58:34,477 --> 00:58:37,313 So this is the way the demo sounded. 1037 00:58:38,606 --> 00:58:41,693 ♪ I've done all right up 'til now ♪ 1038 00:58:41,776 --> 00:58:45,947 ♪ It's the light of day That shows me how ♪ 1039 00:58:46,031 --> 00:58:49,367 ♪ And when the night falls ♪ 1040 00:58:49,451 --> 00:58:52,162 ♪ Loneliness calls ♪ 1041 00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:56,207 ♪ Oh, I wanna dance with somebody ♪ 1042 00:58:57,500 --> 00:59:00,837 ♪ I wanna feel the heat with somebody ♪ 1043 00:59:04,132 --> 00:59:07,093 So, you don't feel the heat with somebody. 1044 00:59:07,177 --> 00:59:10,305 But you do feel, "I Wanna Dance With Somebody." 1045 00:59:10,388 --> 00:59:13,099 Somewhat surface, like very accessible. 1046 00:59:13,183 --> 00:59:16,019 Very pop-y in nature. 1047 00:59:16,102 --> 00:59:19,230 No question, Olivia would have had a hit with it. 1048 00:59:20,899 --> 00:59:22,358 But Whitney... 1049 00:59:23,651 --> 00:59:26,071 had to get it played on R&B stations. 1050 00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:28,239 Urban stations. 1051 00:59:29,574 --> 00:59:32,410 ♪ Oh, I wanna dance with somebody ♪ 1052 00:59:33,745 --> 00:59:36,790 ♪ I wanna feel the heat with somebody ♪ 1053 00:59:36,873 --> 00:59:39,459 She broke every format. 1054 00:59:39,542 --> 00:59:43,797 Top 40, Adult Contemporary, Urban R&B. 1055 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,091 She conquered everywhere she went. 1056 00:59:46,174 --> 00:59:49,594 ♪ I get so emotional, baby ♪ 1057 00:59:49,677 --> 00:59:53,598 ♪ Every time I think of you ♪ 1058 00:59:53,681 --> 01:00:00,271 I mean, this album ended up selling 22 million copies. 1059 01:00:00,355 --> 01:00:05,318 Followed by the second album, that sold 23 million copies. 1060 01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:08,988 She had seven consecutive number one singles. 1061 01:00:09,072 --> 01:00:11,407 It, uh, tied The Beatles' record. 1062 01:00:12,117 --> 01:00:15,995 And needless to say, we were up all night doing tequila shots 1063 01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:17,831 after the seventh one went number one. 1064 01:00:17,914 --> 01:00:20,875 ♪ I get so emotional, baby ♪ 1065 01:00:20,959 --> 01:00:23,336 And the Grammy goes to, Whitney Houston. 1066 01:00:25,505 --> 01:00:28,383 I would say often, "Are you pinching yourself?" 1067 01:00:29,259 --> 01:00:33,847 She'd just look at me and she said, "I'm pinching myself." She knew. 1068 01:00:37,016 --> 01:00:40,895 1987 was a real breakthrough year for us. It was the "Dance With Somebody" year. 1069 01:00:40,979 --> 01:00:43,356 And then you had Aretha and Dionne Warwick, 1070 01:00:43,439 --> 01:00:45,567 Grateful Dead with "Touch of Grey" came in that year. 1071 01:00:46,442 --> 01:00:48,486 ♪ Must be getting early ♪ 1072 01:00:49,445 --> 01:00:51,072 ♪ Clocks are running late ♪ 1073 01:00:51,698 --> 01:00:54,576 We were impossible to get a decent record out of. 1074 01:00:55,201 --> 01:00:56,762 There was always fighting and bickering, 1075 01:00:56,786 --> 01:00:59,080 and guys coming to the sessions drunk or whatever. 1076 01:01:00,498 --> 01:01:03,001 But Clive was determined to be the guy 1077 01:01:03,084 --> 01:01:06,171 who brought some commercial success to the Grateful Dead. 1078 01:01:07,547 --> 01:01:08,965 During that whole period of time, 1079 01:01:09,048 --> 01:01:10,800 we had an incredible run. 1080 01:01:10,884 --> 01:01:13,553 ♪ I will get by ♪ 1081 01:01:13,636 --> 01:01:16,723 We gave the Grateful Dead their first and only top ten hit. 1082 01:01:17,724 --> 01:01:20,435 We had incredible success with "Ghostbusters." 1083 01:01:20,518 --> 01:01:21,769 ♪ Who you gonna call? ♪ 1084 01:01:21,853 --> 01:01:23,062 ♪ Ghostbusters! ♪ 1085 01:01:24,522 --> 01:01:26,002 We had "That's What Friends Are For." 1086 01:01:26,232 --> 01:01:28,359 ♪ Keep smilin' ♪ 1087 01:01:28,443 --> 01:01:29,611 ♪ Keep shining ♪ 1088 01:01:29,694 --> 01:01:31,404 ♪ Knowing you can... ♪ 1089 01:01:31,487 --> 01:01:34,574 The result was an A-number-one smash hit, 1090 01:01:34,657 --> 01:01:37,744 and nearly $2,000,000 was raised for the cause. 1091 01:01:37,827 --> 01:01:40,747 ♪ That's what friends are for ♪ 1092 01:01:41,915 --> 01:01:43,791 Um, there's also the Milli Vanilli story. 1093 01:01:43,875 --> 01:01:45,251 I was there. 1094 01:01:48,546 --> 01:01:51,174 More embarrassment today for the pop group, Milli Vanilli. 1095 01:01:51,507 --> 01:01:53,843 It was revealed they never sang on their album. 1096 01:01:54,219 --> 01:01:55,887 ♪ Girl, you know it's true ♪ 1097 01:01:58,973 --> 01:02:00,475 We don't understand that it's us, 1098 01:02:01,142 --> 01:02:02,894 the two little guys from Germany. 1099 01:02:04,354 --> 01:02:06,940 They recorded the album in Germany. 1100 01:02:07,023 --> 01:02:12,612 So I didn't meet Milli Vanilli until the album was double platinum. 1101 01:02:14,072 --> 01:02:20,662 And indeed for the 15th anniversary show, we put them on Radio City. 1102 01:02:21,913 --> 01:02:25,208 Here are Grammy Award winners for Best New Artist, Milli Vanilli. 1103 01:02:32,048 --> 01:02:33,549 We had no inkling. 1104 01:02:33,633 --> 01:02:35,051 I want to make it very clear 1105 01:02:35,134 --> 01:02:38,721 there was no one that knew at our record company in America. 1106 01:02:39,722 --> 01:02:42,392 One of the biggest hits I ever had with Clive is a song called 1107 01:02:42,475 --> 01:02:45,520 "Blame it On the Rain" by Milli Vanilli. And I love Milli Vanilli. 1108 01:02:45,603 --> 01:02:48,398 I don't care if they didn't sing or whatever. That album was so great. 1109 01:02:48,481 --> 01:02:50,942 It's one of the best pop albums, like, ever. 1110 01:02:51,025 --> 01:02:52,860 ♪ Blame it on the rain ♪ 1111 01:02:52,944 --> 01:02:55,655 ♪ That was fallin, fallin' ♪ 1112 01:02:55,738 --> 01:02:57,448 He took that to them and it became, 1113 01:02:57,532 --> 01:02:59,158 I think, the biggest hit off that album. 1114 01:02:59,951 --> 01:03:00,951 Whoever sang it. 1115 01:03:01,286 --> 01:03:05,373 ♪ Why? ♪ 1116 01:03:08,543 --> 01:03:11,004 Her batting percentage was incredible. 1117 01:03:11,879 --> 01:03:14,424 ♪ This is the book I never read ♪ 1118 01:03:14,507 --> 01:03:17,510 ♪ These are the words I never said ♪ 1119 01:03:17,593 --> 01:03:21,681 We did not take a million artists on. To be fair to them. 1120 01:03:22,223 --> 01:03:26,311 ♪ I know nothing stays the same ♪ 1121 01:03:26,394 --> 01:03:29,689 ♪ But if you're willing to play the game ♪ 1122 01:03:29,772 --> 01:03:33,860 ♪ It will be coming around again ♪ 1123 01:03:33,943 --> 01:03:37,488 We were either number one or number two during that whole period of time. 1124 01:03:37,572 --> 01:03:39,449 ♪ I saw the sign ♪ 1125 01:03:39,532 --> 01:03:43,119 ♪ And it opened up my eyes I saw the sign ♪ 1126 01:03:43,202 --> 01:03:46,706 We were smaller than these big, gigantic, monolithic record companies, 1127 01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:49,959 but we were agile and we fought hard and we won. 1128 01:03:53,546 --> 01:03:56,215 Do you have artists that are good musically, good songwriters, 1129 01:03:56,299 --> 01:03:59,635 and excellent performers, that never make it and you wonder why. 1130 01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:02,430 Sure. Every artist that I've signed that hasn't made it. 1131 01:04:05,892 --> 01:04:09,604 There were acts that I believed would break, and never did. 1132 01:04:10,730 --> 01:04:14,442 I remember being so proud to introduce The Alpha Band. 1133 01:04:15,568 --> 01:04:18,571 One of the lead members was T Bone Burnett. 1134 01:04:18,654 --> 01:04:21,407 He was flanked by this electric violinist, 1135 01:04:21,491 --> 01:04:24,786 who would go out into the audience and cause a sensation. 1136 01:04:25,620 --> 01:04:29,582 But, as in baseball, not every swing leads to a hit. 1137 01:04:31,209 --> 01:04:34,379 In the case of the Funky Kings, it was Jack Tempchin, 1138 01:04:34,462 --> 01:04:37,423 who had written several songs for the Eagles. 1139 01:04:38,216 --> 01:04:41,969 But, ultimately, he was not able to write for the new group. 1140 01:04:43,971 --> 01:04:45,181 There's gotta be misses. 1141 01:04:45,765 --> 01:04:46,849 I didn't sign Meat Loaf. 1142 01:04:47,392 --> 01:04:49,936 He was an unlikely figure, visually. 1143 01:04:50,019 --> 01:04:51,312 So I passed. 1144 01:04:51,396 --> 01:04:56,442 And John Cougar Mellencamp was too close to Bruce Springsteen. 1145 01:04:56,526 --> 01:05:00,029 And I had signed, what I felt to be, the real deal. 1146 01:05:00,613 --> 01:05:02,573 And of course he was to become 1147 01:05:02,657 --> 01:05:06,035 one of the great original American rock 'n' roll artists ever. 1148 01:05:06,119 --> 01:05:08,162 So I thought, "Okay, you got me." 1149 01:05:08,496 --> 01:05:11,916 ♪ I'm just playin' a part ♪ 1150 01:05:11,999 --> 01:05:14,627 ♪ I ain't got no money ♪ 1151 01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:18,881 That's why every week I bring home every chart record 1152 01:05:18,965 --> 01:05:21,050 that makes it in any format. 1153 01:05:21,759 --> 01:05:24,679 Because someone that's been in the business for a long time, 1154 01:05:24,762 --> 01:05:26,347 you can go over the hill. 1155 01:05:26,431 --> 01:05:30,435 I worry, always worried, will I go over the hill? 1156 01:05:30,518 --> 01:05:31,936 Am I going over the hill? 1157 01:05:33,438 --> 01:05:37,942 And I come with my satchel every week in the last 20 years 1158 01:05:38,025 --> 01:05:42,864 and I play those chart records just to see how music is changing. 1159 01:05:45,241 --> 01:05:51,414 I decided the early '90s was the time to go into country music. 1160 01:05:54,709 --> 01:05:58,504 Clive took that model that he found at Columbia Records. 1161 01:05:58,588 --> 01:06:00,673 It set out to cover everything. 1162 01:06:00,756 --> 01:06:03,759 And if he didn't know that music himself, he'd find people who knew it. 1163 01:06:04,302 --> 01:06:09,474 I interviewed six candidates and I chose Tim DuBois. 1164 01:06:10,057 --> 01:06:12,894 Tim had been a songwriter, he had been a producer, 1165 01:06:13,478 --> 01:06:17,690 and the first artist that he brought me was the great Alan Jackson. 1166 01:06:17,773 --> 01:06:20,860 ♪ Well we fogged up the windows In my old Chevy ♪ 1167 01:06:20,943 --> 01:06:23,446 ♪ I was willin' but she wasn't ready ♪ 1168 01:06:23,529 --> 01:06:26,240 We were able, in an 18 months period, 1169 01:06:26,324 --> 01:06:29,160 to break not only Alan, but also Brooks and Dunn. 1170 01:06:29,243 --> 01:06:32,121 ♪ Oh, get down, turn around, go to town ♪ 1171 01:06:32,205 --> 01:06:34,790 ♪ Boot scootin' boogie ♪ 1172 01:06:34,874 --> 01:06:38,669 We went from a cold start to the number two label in Nashville. 1173 01:06:40,046 --> 01:06:42,340 And stayed that way all during the '90s. 1174 01:06:48,804 --> 01:06:50,640 Can I ask you one serious question? 1175 01:06:50,723 --> 01:06:52,058 - Some of-- - How serious is it? 1176 01:06:52,141 --> 01:06:55,686 Well, the friction at the Soul Train Awards. 1177 01:06:55,770 --> 01:06:57,188 Where does that come from? 1178 01:06:57,772 --> 01:06:59,190 For those of you that don't know-- 1179 01:06:59,273 --> 01:07:01,108 They booed me at Soul Train Awards. 1180 01:07:02,860 --> 01:07:04,028 In the record business, 1181 01:07:04,111 --> 01:07:07,031 you've got pop stations, you've got urban stations. 1182 01:07:07,114 --> 01:07:09,992 The urban stations wanted to claim her more. 1183 01:07:10,618 --> 01:07:12,411 I think music is music, you know? 1184 01:07:12,828 --> 01:07:15,915 I mean, how do I sing more black, or how do I sing... 1185 01:07:15,998 --> 01:07:17,726 What am I doing that's making me sound white? 1186 01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:19,085 I don't understand, you know. 1187 01:07:19,168 --> 01:07:22,630 I'm singing music from my heart, from my soul, and that's it. 1188 01:07:23,089 --> 01:07:25,967 I'm not exactly sure what singing white is, 1189 01:07:26,050 --> 01:07:29,011 but I don't think there is more soul to be offered than what you give. 1190 01:07:29,095 --> 01:07:31,722 ♪ How will I know If he really loves me ♪ 1191 01:07:31,806 --> 01:07:33,099 I don't know. 1192 01:07:35,059 --> 01:07:38,229 Whitney needed an R&B hit. 1193 01:07:41,148 --> 01:07:44,193 And who had the best track record at the time? 1194 01:07:44,735 --> 01:07:46,612 It was L.A. & Babyface. 1195 01:07:47,572 --> 01:07:52,034 They had had 19 number-one R&B songs 1196 01:07:52,118 --> 01:07:56,205 and they agreed to do the I'm Your Baby Tonight cut. 1197 01:07:56,289 --> 01:07:58,499 ♪ Whatever you want from me ♪ 1198 01:07:58,583 --> 01:08:01,127 ♪ I'm giving you everything ♪ 1199 01:08:01,210 --> 01:08:04,380 ♪ I'm your baby tonight ♪ 1200 01:08:04,463 --> 01:08:06,841 L.A. and Babyface were so perfect for that. 1201 01:08:06,924 --> 01:08:08,843 Because they write the greatest songs to me 1202 01:08:08,926 --> 01:08:10,928 because they have great grooves. 1203 01:08:11,012 --> 01:08:15,308 But they still have storylines, and songs that say something. 1204 01:08:15,391 --> 01:08:18,561 In the process of delivering and writing and creating 1205 01:08:19,103 --> 01:08:21,647 I'm Your Baby Tonight, we got to know each other. 1206 01:08:22,315 --> 01:08:23,649 We just got along well. 1207 01:08:23,733 --> 01:08:27,612 And I was just very fortunate that they entrusted me with their vision, 1208 01:08:28,195 --> 01:08:30,948 which was to have their own record company. 1209 01:08:36,829 --> 01:08:39,707 Clive was the first guy that took us seriously. 1210 01:08:40,458 --> 01:08:42,138 And, you know, wanted to give us that shot. 1211 01:08:42,877 --> 01:08:45,546 We were pretty successful as producers, 1212 01:08:45,630 --> 01:08:48,132 but we didn't know about discovering talent. 1213 01:08:51,761 --> 01:08:53,512 We moved to Atlanta. 1214 01:08:53,596 --> 01:08:56,515 We set up shop, put our flag in the ground, 1215 01:08:56,599 --> 01:08:57,975 and it started to work. 1216 01:09:02,813 --> 01:09:05,066 They were forging new territory, 1217 01:09:05,149 --> 01:09:08,861 and in the way that Berry Gordy found Detroit for Motown Records, 1218 01:09:09,445 --> 01:09:11,614 they established Atlanta. 1219 01:09:12,031 --> 01:09:15,076 ♪ Un-break my heart ♪ 1220 01:09:15,159 --> 01:09:18,537 You know, to have Toni Braxton sell eight million on her first album... 1221 01:09:18,621 --> 01:09:22,583 ♪ Don't go chasin' waterfalls ♪ 1222 01:09:22,667 --> 01:09:24,251 TLC selling ten million. 1223 01:09:28,339 --> 01:09:29,965 Then Usher coming. 1224 01:09:30,049 --> 01:09:33,469 In some ways it felt like we were accidentally having huge hits. 1225 01:09:35,763 --> 01:09:37,848 So after that third album, 1226 01:09:37,932 --> 01:09:42,853 and after we had been embraced by the urban community... 1227 01:09:42,937 --> 01:09:48,984 ♪ Oh say, does that star ♪ 1228 01:09:49,068 --> 01:09:50,069 Her version of 1229 01:09:50,152 --> 01:09:52,405 "The Star-Spangled Banner" at the Super Bowl 1230 01:09:52,488 --> 01:09:54,824 is such an all-time classic. 1231 01:09:55,783 --> 01:09:58,703 Nobody comes even close. 1232 01:09:59,412 --> 01:10:04,458 ♪ O'er the land of the free ♪ 1233 01:10:07,503 --> 01:10:13,843 ♪ And the home of the brave ♪ 1234 01:10:28,899 --> 01:10:33,863 But, there was something in her that wanted to be a movie star. 1235 01:10:34,572 --> 01:10:36,449 I'm going to do a film next year. 1236 01:10:37,074 --> 01:10:40,453 Yeah. I'm gonna do some acting. I'll be on the silver screen, so... 1237 01:10:42,788 --> 01:10:47,001 She had a very good agent, a devoted agent in Nicole David, 1238 01:10:47,084 --> 01:10:51,046 who helped her locate the role in Bodyguard. 1239 01:10:51,672 --> 01:10:54,925 Originally Clive was really angry about her doing that, 1240 01:10:55,009 --> 01:11:01,849 and angry with me because I was risking something very precious and very, 1241 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:03,893 uh, important to him. 1242 01:11:06,145 --> 01:11:10,775 Well, right before Christmas one year, I get a call from Nicole. 1243 01:11:11,984 --> 01:11:15,029 "I'm gonna send you the first rough cut." 1244 01:11:16,322 --> 01:11:19,533 The first cut came in and we watched it on video and 1245 01:11:20,034 --> 01:11:21,160 the movie wasn't good. 1246 01:11:22,828 --> 01:11:24,068 Frank tells me you're a singer. 1247 01:11:24,705 --> 01:11:25,748 Yeah, that's right. 1248 01:11:25,831 --> 01:11:28,542 There was so little music in the film. 1249 01:11:28,626 --> 01:11:31,045 You didn't know why she needed a bodyguard. 1250 01:11:32,129 --> 01:11:36,675 Watching that first cut almost ruined my Christmas vacation. 1251 01:11:38,761 --> 01:11:41,138 I came back and I wrote a letter. 1252 01:11:41,222 --> 01:11:44,266 And I said, "You can't make her first movie 1253 01:11:44,350 --> 01:11:47,895 totally a spoken word thriller with one song." 1254 01:11:49,396 --> 01:11:52,233 I know that this will be interpreted as, 1255 01:11:52,316 --> 01:11:55,653 "Here I'm the head of Whitney's record company. 1256 01:11:55,736 --> 01:11:58,656 Where's the music, and what will the soundtrack be?" 1257 01:11:58,739 --> 01:12:03,118 But I gotta tell you, this movie could be so much greater 1258 01:12:03,202 --> 01:12:06,580 if we had Whitney be Whitney and do her stuff. 1259 01:12:07,790 --> 01:12:12,711 And, fortunately, Kevin Costner responded to that letter. 1260 01:12:13,003 --> 01:12:17,216 ♪ Don't make me close one more door ♪ 1261 01:12:18,342 --> 01:12:22,555 It was Kevin Costner who asked for more songs. 1262 01:12:22,638 --> 01:12:24,431 ♪ Don't walk away from me ♪ 1263 01:12:24,515 --> 01:12:27,434 And the movie was transformed. 1264 01:12:27,518 --> 01:12:29,228 ♪ I have nothing... ♪ 1265 01:12:29,311 --> 01:12:33,357 And it was Kevin Costner who had decided on 1266 01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:37,319 the Dolly Parton previous hit of "I Will Always Love You"... 1267 01:12:37,945 --> 01:12:42,449 ♪ If I should stay ♪ 1268 01:12:44,118 --> 01:12:45,536 ♪ Well, I would... ♪ 1269 01:12:45,619 --> 01:12:51,083 ...who sent it simultaneously to David Foster, Whitney, and me. 1270 01:12:51,166 --> 01:12:54,336 ♪ And so I'll go ♪ 1271 01:12:54,420 --> 01:12:58,465 I listened, and said, "Wow, that is perfect." 1272 01:12:58,549 --> 01:13:02,511 Whitney said the exact same thing. David said the exact same thing. 1273 01:13:02,595 --> 01:13:05,639 That's how "I Will Always Love You" got in the film. 1274 01:13:06,348 --> 01:13:08,767 ♪ And I ♪ 1275 01:13:12,521 --> 01:13:14,523 ♪ Will always... ♪ 1276 01:13:14,607 --> 01:13:16,233 When I mixed "I Will Always Love You," 1277 01:13:16,317 --> 01:13:17,568 I did a rough mix of it. 1278 01:13:17,651 --> 01:13:18,986 I'd sent it to him on a DAT. 1279 01:13:19,987 --> 01:13:22,467 I thought, you know, he's gonna make a bunch of changes anyway. 1280 01:13:23,157 --> 01:13:24,658 He calls me back, 1281 01:13:24,742 --> 01:13:27,620 "I love it! It's perfect! Don't touch a thing!" 1282 01:13:28,996 --> 01:13:32,374 In Clive Davis' world this is unheard of. This never happens. 1283 01:13:34,543 --> 01:13:37,903 "I just want to make a couple of changes." "Don't touch anything, it's just perfect." 1284 01:13:38,964 --> 01:13:40,799 So I went in and spent, like, 12 hours. 1285 01:13:40,883 --> 01:13:43,385 I tuned the saxophone, I put new guitars on, 1286 01:13:43,469 --> 01:13:45,721 I did all the stuff that I had wanted to do. 1287 01:13:45,804 --> 01:13:47,556 And he heard it, and he said, "I hate it." 1288 01:13:48,933 --> 01:13:51,810 I got really crazy with him. He started yelling and I started yelling. 1289 01:13:51,894 --> 01:13:53,771 And, you know, I was kind of a hothead. 1290 01:13:54,021 --> 01:13:57,691 There was not an obscenity known to mankind 1291 01:13:57,775 --> 01:13:59,818 that was not thrown my way. 1292 01:14:00,277 --> 01:14:03,697 He said, "David. I think we should hang up 1293 01:14:03,781 --> 01:14:06,951 before one of us says something that we're gonna regret." 1294 01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:16,210 ♪ And I will always... ♪ 1295 01:14:16,293 --> 01:14:19,630 Meantime, Warner Bros. is saying, "When is the single coming out? 1296 01:14:19,713 --> 01:14:21,799 We're ready to distribute the movie." 1297 01:14:25,052 --> 01:14:27,262 And so, I pushed the button... 1298 01:14:28,973 --> 01:14:31,517 without getting back to David, 1299 01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,979 for that first version that I heard. 1300 01:14:35,062 --> 01:14:38,065 ♪ Will always ♪ 1301 01:14:38,148 --> 01:14:41,068 ♪ Love you ♪ 1302 01:14:42,778 --> 01:14:45,447 ♪ I will always... ♪ 1303 01:14:45,531 --> 01:14:46,907 We used that DAT he carried around 1304 01:14:46,991 --> 01:14:48,033 all summer in his pocket. 1305 01:14:48,117 --> 01:14:50,327 And that got mastered to become the single 1306 01:14:50,411 --> 01:14:53,038 of the century's greatest love song. 1307 01:14:53,914 --> 01:14:57,876 ♪ ...love you ♪ 1308 01:15:05,259 --> 01:15:07,511 I think people think about his public persona, 1309 01:15:07,594 --> 01:15:09,263 the big music man. 1310 01:15:09,346 --> 01:15:13,100 I don't think they understand what a family guy he is. 1311 01:15:15,936 --> 01:15:17,980 You know, he stressed the importance of family. 1312 01:15:18,063 --> 01:15:19,398 He was there every weekend. 1313 01:15:19,481 --> 01:15:22,818 We would have these, what are now famous, Sunday night dinners. 1314 01:15:23,152 --> 01:15:25,487 Vacations, you know, several times a year. 1315 01:15:25,571 --> 01:15:28,824 And it's very important for him that we each spend time with each other, 1316 01:15:28,907 --> 01:15:30,075 and not just with him. 1317 01:15:30,701 --> 01:15:33,704 As busy as he was, he's dealing with all this talent, 1318 01:15:33,787 --> 01:15:38,000 dealing with the corporate structures and the demands on him to make money. 1319 01:15:38,083 --> 01:15:41,503 And every Sunday he would have dinner with the kids and the family. 1320 01:15:41,587 --> 01:15:46,008 That's not typical of a lot of these guys, you know, operating at that level. 1321 01:15:48,677 --> 01:15:53,932 In my late 40s, after both my marriages had failed, 1322 01:15:54,850 --> 01:15:58,103 I opened myself up to the possibility 1323 01:15:58,187 --> 01:16:04,818 that gender would not be the factor of determining my sexuality. 1324 01:16:06,862 --> 01:16:10,449 I don't find it extraordinary that he's interested in both sexes. 1325 01:16:11,450 --> 01:16:13,285 He has no narrowness to him. 1326 01:16:14,286 --> 01:16:15,370 He's a capacious person. 1327 01:16:17,331 --> 01:16:20,459 Do you hope that bisexuality will be better understood 1328 01:16:20,542 --> 01:16:22,711 - as a result of your honesty? - I honestly do. 1329 01:16:23,378 --> 01:16:26,548 I honestly do have that hope that that is the case. 1330 01:16:27,091 --> 01:16:32,387 There was an attitude towards bisexuality, pervasive, 1331 01:16:32,471 --> 01:16:37,226 that you're either gay or you're straight or you're lying. It's not true. 1332 01:16:37,810 --> 01:16:41,271 You don't have to be only one thing or another. 1333 01:16:45,109 --> 01:16:47,861 It's funny, the sense of Clive... 1334 01:16:47,945 --> 01:16:52,199 You're just kind of always having, you know, a feel for the zeitgeist. 1335 01:16:52,282 --> 01:16:54,952 You know, with the discussion of bisexuality, 1336 01:16:55,035 --> 01:16:57,454 you know, was something that really kind of caught the wind 1337 01:16:57,538 --> 01:17:02,793 of what was going on in a way that, you know, I didn't necessarily anticipate. 1338 01:17:02,876 --> 01:17:05,212 But I think, you know, in some way he understood. 1339 01:17:05,295 --> 01:17:07,548 And, I'm not sure 1340 01:17:07,631 --> 01:17:10,759 he was particularly surprised by the attention that it got. 1341 01:17:11,969 --> 01:17:15,305 - Nice. Whoa, that was good. - That's on film. 1342 01:17:15,389 --> 01:17:16,640 That's on film. 1343 01:17:17,182 --> 01:17:21,687 In this tough business, you can never really rest on your laurels. 1344 01:17:21,770 --> 01:17:25,107 If you're an artist, you have to keep at the cutting edge. 1345 01:17:25,190 --> 01:17:27,110 You have to come up with hit after hit after hit. 1346 01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:33,699 And if you're an executive like me, you have to keep reinventing yourself. 1347 01:17:34,491 --> 01:17:36,869 Going from rock, to pop 1348 01:17:37,911 --> 01:17:40,831 to urban crossover, to street. 1349 01:17:46,628 --> 01:17:49,923 It was very special meeting Sean "Puffy" Combs. 1350 01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:54,595 He had a very specific vision. 1351 01:17:56,430 --> 01:18:00,726 The time had come that Top 40 had to change. 1352 01:18:02,561 --> 01:18:06,690 That there was, and he saw, a pending revolution. 1353 01:18:10,319 --> 01:18:12,237 A hip-hop revolution. 1354 01:18:13,697 --> 01:18:14,948 ♪ Just like ♪ 1355 01:18:15,032 --> 01:18:17,492 ♪ Uniblab, robotic kickin' flab ♪ 1356 01:18:17,576 --> 01:18:19,328 ♪ My flavor be the badder chitter-chatter ♪ 1357 01:18:19,411 --> 01:18:20,746 ♪ Madder than the Mad Hatter ♪ 1358 01:18:20,829 --> 01:18:26,376 You know, one of my big pitches to Clive was that hip-hop is an international, 1359 01:18:26,460 --> 01:18:28,170 you know, mainstream art form. 1360 01:18:29,213 --> 01:18:33,217 And that the records that I was making and the artists that I was putting out, 1361 01:18:33,300 --> 01:18:35,802 could really take over and change the sound of pop radio. 1362 01:18:36,803 --> 01:18:38,680 ♪ Hold up, let's make this official ♪ 1363 01:18:38,764 --> 01:18:42,184 When Puffy kind of articulated his vision for what hip-hop could become, 1364 01:18:42,267 --> 01:18:43,703 I think to Clive that made a lot of sense. 1365 01:18:43,727 --> 01:18:45,687 I mean, that was what happened with rock 'n' roll. 1366 01:18:47,522 --> 01:18:52,319 Puffy came up and played for me Craig Mack's, "Flava In Ya Ear." 1367 01:18:52,903 --> 01:18:54,529 ♪ You won't be around next year ♪ 1368 01:18:54,613 --> 01:18:57,658 ♪ My rap's too severe Kickin' mad flava in ya ear ♪ 1369 01:18:58,242 --> 01:19:02,162 And then he played me three or four cuts from an artist that he was grooming. 1370 01:19:04,373 --> 01:19:06,541 And to my untrained ear... 1371 01:19:08,627 --> 01:19:09,670 it was special. 1372 01:19:09,753 --> 01:19:11,171 ♪ It was all a dream ♪ 1373 01:19:11,255 --> 01:19:13,131 ♪ I used to read Word Up magazine ♪ 1374 01:19:13,215 --> 01:19:15,759 ♪ Salt 'n' Pepa and Heavy D Up in the limousine ♪ 1375 01:19:15,842 --> 01:19:17,469 ♪ Hangin' pictures on my wall ♪ 1376 01:19:17,552 --> 01:19:19,721 ♪ Every Saturday, Rap Attack Mr. Magic... ♪ 1377 01:19:19,805 --> 01:19:22,599 When I first played Clive my music, 1378 01:19:22,683 --> 01:19:24,935 nobody had heard what I was working on. 1379 01:19:25,018 --> 01:19:28,480 We just talked for hours about music and his knowledge about music. 1380 01:19:28,563 --> 01:19:30,816 And hip-hop and the things that I produced. 1381 01:19:30,899 --> 01:19:32,609 It was just mind-blowing. 1382 01:19:32,693 --> 01:19:35,696 And he understood he was hearing something special. 1383 01:19:35,779 --> 01:19:37,531 He knew he was hearing a new sound. 1384 01:19:37,614 --> 01:19:40,075 ♪ Time to get paid Blow up Like the World Trade... ♪ 1385 01:19:40,158 --> 01:19:42,536 So, I said this young man has got the goods. 1386 01:19:42,619 --> 01:19:46,206 And I made a deal to finance Bad Boy Records. 1387 01:19:47,332 --> 01:19:50,460 ♪ Every step I take ♪ 1388 01:19:51,503 --> 01:19:53,297 ♪ Every move I make ♪ 1389 01:19:53,380 --> 01:19:57,676 That range of Kenny G to The Notorious B.I.G. 1390 01:19:58,635 --> 01:19:59,678 That's a distance. 1391 01:19:59,970 --> 01:20:02,597 ♪ I'll be missin' you ♪ 1392 01:20:02,681 --> 01:20:04,599 ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ 1393 01:20:04,683 --> 01:20:07,519 ♪ Thinking of the day... ♪ 1394 01:20:07,602 --> 01:20:11,773 We have seven in the top 30, starting off with Whitney at number one. 1395 01:20:11,857 --> 01:20:13,358 Davis's Friday lunch meetings 1396 01:20:13,442 --> 01:20:15,610 are a chance for his entire management team 1397 01:20:15,694 --> 01:20:17,237 to sit down with their boss. 1398 01:20:18,322 --> 01:20:21,491 These A&R meetings were super intense. 1399 01:20:22,326 --> 01:20:25,412 You would listen to the same things over and over and over again. 1400 01:20:25,495 --> 01:20:28,582 You'd listen to six mixes of the same song. 1401 01:20:31,043 --> 01:20:32,461 Songs would be dissected. 1402 01:20:32,544 --> 01:20:34,629 People would vote on a scale of one to ten. 1403 01:20:34,713 --> 01:20:36,273 Really, it was a scale of seven to ten. 1404 01:20:36,965 --> 01:20:38,485 He doesn't show it to a lot of people, 1405 01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:42,304 but there's a current of insecurity going through there 1406 01:20:42,387 --> 01:20:48,518 that is, "Wow, if I don't... do the triple, 1407 01:20:48,602 --> 01:20:51,772 quadruple, septuple check, 1408 01:20:51,855 --> 01:20:55,901 that it's just gonna come crashing down." 1409 01:20:55,984 --> 01:21:00,447 And so the quality control was insane. 1410 01:21:00,530 --> 01:21:03,658 And the work hours were... 1411 01:21:05,369 --> 01:21:06,369 extensive. 1412 01:21:06,411 --> 01:21:10,499 I think every person who is really, really successful 1413 01:21:10,582 --> 01:21:14,127 has a certain amount of fear, which keeps them going. 1414 01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,005 And I think he has that, too. 1415 01:21:21,927 --> 01:21:24,930 One night Clive said, "We're gonna go see Santana 1416 01:21:25,013 --> 01:21:28,475 at Radio City," and we were, like... "Okay." 1417 01:21:34,064 --> 01:21:37,484 We hadn't had any radio airplay for a long, long time. 1418 01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,404 Clive came up to see us and he told me, he says, 1419 01:21:40,487 --> 01:21:43,365 "Carlos, there's two different rings, playing live, you're ferocious. 1420 01:21:43,448 --> 01:21:47,285 You probably knock out most people who are top selling right now. Live. 1421 01:21:47,869 --> 01:21:49,162 But you need some songs." 1422 01:21:50,247 --> 01:21:53,917 So Clive announces that he's signing, you know, again, 1423 01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:57,087 after 20 years or whatever, Carlos Santana. 1424 01:21:57,170 --> 01:22:01,258 And we were, like, "Okay." I mean, Carlos, legendary artist. 1425 01:22:02,092 --> 01:22:03,593 But where would his music fit? 1426 01:22:04,386 --> 01:22:06,721 The commonality that Clive Davis and I have... 1427 01:22:06,805 --> 01:22:08,890 We have an incredible, powerful muscle. 1428 01:22:09,641 --> 01:22:12,144 It's called imagination. 1429 01:22:12,227 --> 01:22:14,521 We can see it. We can imagine it. 1430 01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:17,941 And, therefore, we're able to hit it. 1431 01:22:26,116 --> 01:22:28,493 ♪ Man, it's a hot one ♪ 1432 01:22:28,577 --> 01:22:30,930 Clive's working on the record, he calls me up to his office, 1433 01:22:30,954 --> 01:22:32,622 and he says, "I wanna play you something." 1434 01:22:33,457 --> 01:22:35,083 He plays me, "Smooth." 1435 01:22:35,834 --> 01:22:37,669 I fell out of my chair. 1436 01:22:37,752 --> 01:22:41,173 I mean, this may have been a 50-year-old Carlos Santana, 1437 01:22:41,965 --> 01:22:46,344 but the song was as hot as anything on the radio. 1438 01:22:46,428 --> 01:22:48,763 ♪ My Spanish Harlem Mona Lisa ♪ 1439 01:22:51,308 --> 01:22:53,810 There was such speculation. 1440 01:22:53,894 --> 01:22:57,939 "Could this be Davis's folly? Is he acting out of sentiment?" 1441 01:22:58,023 --> 01:22:59,024 Well, I hope not. 1442 01:22:59,107 --> 01:23:01,651 ♪ And if you said, "This life..." ♪ 1443 01:23:01,735 --> 01:23:05,906 I just believed that with the right material, 1444 01:23:05,989 --> 01:23:07,365 Santana could sell. 1445 01:23:08,992 --> 01:23:12,621 I was extremely amazed, I still am just the momentum it picked up. 1446 01:23:15,123 --> 01:23:17,792 Once we got it on the radio, it went... 1447 01:23:18,627 --> 01:23:20,170 It went bananas. 1448 01:23:20,504 --> 01:23:24,424 ♪ And it's just like the ocean Under the moon ♪ 1449 01:23:24,508 --> 01:23:25,842 ♪ It's the same as... ♪ 1450 01:23:25,926 --> 01:23:27,594 The song went on to be number one 1451 01:23:27,677 --> 01:23:29,846 and we sold 22 million albums around the world. 1452 01:23:29,930 --> 01:23:32,224 ♪ Maria, Maria ♪ 1453 01:23:34,476 --> 01:23:37,187 ♪ She reminds me of A West Side story ♪ 1454 01:23:38,605 --> 01:23:41,691 After "Smooth" broke, after "Maria, Maria" broke, 1455 01:23:41,775 --> 01:23:44,402 I mean, the album just kept soaring. 1456 01:23:44,486 --> 01:23:47,531 And, the Grammy goes to... 1457 01:23:47,614 --> 01:23:49,991 Supernatural. Santana. 1458 01:23:52,202 --> 01:23:55,455 Certainly, anyone who can figure out 1459 01:23:55,539 --> 01:23:58,166 how to sell millions of albums 1460 01:23:58,250 --> 01:24:01,670 by a rock guitarist in his mid-50s, 1461 01:24:01,753 --> 01:24:03,672 who doesn't sing a note... 1462 01:24:03,755 --> 01:24:06,591 has earned my eternal admiration. 1463 01:24:16,142 --> 01:24:18,019 We were flying high. 1464 01:24:18,103 --> 01:24:20,814 The hits we were enjoying that year, 1465 01:24:20,897 --> 01:24:24,109 Supernatural, My Love is Your Love, with Whitney. 1466 01:24:24,192 --> 01:24:27,612 I was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, 1467 01:24:27,696 --> 01:24:31,116 I was given the Lifetime Achievement Award by NARAS. 1468 01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:36,413 Sales for the year were looming to be in excess of a half billion dollars, 1469 01:24:36,496 --> 01:24:39,165 bigger than at any time in our history. 1470 01:24:39,249 --> 01:24:41,835 ♪ Your love is my love ♪ 1471 01:24:41,918 --> 01:24:45,046 ♪ And my love is your love ♪ 1472 01:24:45,130 --> 01:24:48,425 And so, I got an invitation to attend dinner 1473 01:24:48,508 --> 01:24:51,303 from Michael Dornemann and Strauss Zelnick, 1474 01:24:51,386 --> 01:24:54,514 the two top officers of Bertelsmann, 1475 01:24:54,598 --> 01:24:58,685 a major German company that had purchased Arista from me. 1476 01:24:59,227 --> 01:25:04,441 And I thought I was going there to be warmly congratulated 1477 01:25:04,524 --> 01:25:06,443 at the peak of my career. 1478 01:25:10,905 --> 01:25:12,324 It's maybe nine o'clock. 1479 01:25:12,407 --> 01:25:14,701 I'm getting ready to pack up and go to dinner, 1480 01:25:14,784 --> 01:25:16,328 and the phone rings. It's Clive. 1481 01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,831 I just hear this voice like I've never heard him before. 1482 01:25:19,914 --> 01:25:21,374 We have to meet, we have to meet. 1483 01:25:24,836 --> 01:25:26,036 I said, "What's wrong, Clive?" 1484 01:25:28,340 --> 01:25:29,549 "They want to push me out." 1485 01:25:33,970 --> 01:25:38,266 Strauss Zelnick and Michael Dornemann felt that Clive is 66 now, 1486 01:25:38,350 --> 01:25:39,934 it is time for him to step down. 1487 01:25:43,146 --> 01:25:45,649 You know, the reason for Clive supposedly being pushed out 1488 01:25:45,732 --> 01:25:47,192 was an age thing at that point. 1489 01:25:47,275 --> 01:25:49,569 And it made absolutely no sense, 1490 01:25:49,653 --> 01:25:52,489 because Clive wasn't getting old as it related to music, you know. 1491 01:25:53,073 --> 01:25:54,741 Arguably he was getting younger. 1492 01:25:55,909 --> 01:25:59,079 The real reason was that I was making too much money. 1493 01:25:59,746 --> 01:26:06,044 They wanted to stop my earning tens of millions of dollars every year. 1494 01:26:06,586 --> 01:26:10,590 And they were trying to come up with a way to cut their burden. 1495 01:26:11,549 --> 01:26:13,927 It's very often people end up in charge, 1496 01:26:14,010 --> 01:26:17,597 who really don't understand what the business is all about. 1497 01:26:17,681 --> 01:26:20,517 They don't appreciate the amazing talent that these people have. 1498 01:26:20,975 --> 01:26:24,437 They're not gonna replace Clive. When Clive goes, that's the end of that. 1499 01:26:27,148 --> 01:26:28,191 Up next, 1500 01:26:28,274 --> 01:26:32,278 the man at the center of a cutthroat fight in the music business. 1501 01:26:32,362 --> 01:26:34,239 He's in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 1502 01:26:34,322 --> 01:26:38,702 But was just forced out at the record company he founded. 1503 01:26:38,785 --> 01:26:40,995 All of a sudden, there was this public outcry. 1504 01:26:41,079 --> 01:26:42,831 There was an enormous amount of press. 1505 01:26:43,957 --> 01:26:47,877 The fact of the matter is you were too old. Right? 1506 01:26:47,961 --> 01:26:52,006 Wrong. The fact of the matter is that I knew I was not too old. 1507 01:26:52,966 --> 01:26:56,052 Everybody rallied for Clive. Everybody. 1508 01:26:56,136 --> 01:27:00,306 His fiercest competitors rallied for him to not get let go. 1509 01:27:01,349 --> 01:27:06,020 If Arista does not have Clive Davis, it will be a very different Arista. 1510 01:27:06,104 --> 01:27:09,774 The artists started saying, "How could you do this?" 1511 01:27:10,442 --> 01:27:14,988 I can't imagine our industry without Clive Davis. 1512 01:27:19,492 --> 01:27:24,414 With all of this crazy geschrein, publicly and privately... 1513 01:27:25,373 --> 01:27:27,167 I get a call from Strauss Zelnick. 1514 01:27:28,126 --> 01:27:29,294 "Let's talk." 1515 01:27:31,629 --> 01:27:33,131 ♪ I like it in the morning ♪ 1516 01:27:34,215 --> 01:27:36,468 ♪ The morning's much better ♪ 1517 01:27:36,551 --> 01:27:37,761 Bertelsmann understood 1518 01:27:37,844 --> 01:27:41,431 we can't have Clive Davis out there competing with us. 1519 01:27:42,015 --> 01:27:46,102 So we structure this joint venture by the name of J Records. 1520 01:27:47,061 --> 01:27:50,482 Basically he's back in business at BMG, 1521 01:27:50,565 --> 01:27:52,025 but now he owns half the company. 1522 01:27:54,235 --> 01:27:57,155 My calculus was that we're gonna need $150 million 1523 01:27:57,238 --> 01:27:59,032 to build this business the right way. 1524 01:27:59,532 --> 01:28:05,789 $150 million was much bigger than any label had ever been created. 1525 01:28:06,915 --> 01:28:12,045 We are now walking towards the office of Clive Davis. 1526 01:28:12,796 --> 01:28:14,339 I went to see Clive, and I said, 1527 01:28:14,422 --> 01:28:17,342 "Look, Clive, I don't know if you're gonna be able to take me or not, 1528 01:28:18,176 --> 01:28:21,012 but if there is any way I can come with you, 1529 01:28:21,095 --> 01:28:22,514 I would really like to." 1530 01:28:22,597 --> 01:28:25,850 My loyalty was with Clive. And, you know, I was building something. 1531 01:28:26,643 --> 01:28:30,396 It was an opportunity to actually do something fresh. 1532 01:28:30,897 --> 01:28:34,776 I didn't hesitate. "This sounds crazy. I'm in." 1533 01:28:37,487 --> 01:28:42,325 Every one of the 18 senior executives of Arista 1534 01:28:42,408 --> 01:28:44,661 came over to J Records. 1535 01:28:44,744 --> 01:28:48,665 That was one of the most emotionally gratifying 1536 01:28:48,748 --> 01:28:53,503 and meaningful situations that ever happened in my career. 1537 01:28:59,634 --> 01:29:02,971 So the deal was $150 million. 1538 01:29:03,054 --> 01:29:04,681 It's right there on your left. 1539 01:29:04,764 --> 01:29:08,852 Five platinum artists from those that would come with us, 1540 01:29:09,769 --> 01:29:13,356 and five new artists that were in development. 1541 01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:16,401 Of course, there were certain artists that were off-limits. 1542 01:29:16,484 --> 01:29:18,736 Carlos was off-limits, Whitney was off-limits, 1543 01:29:18,820 --> 01:29:19,946 Kenny G was off-limits. 1544 01:29:20,572 --> 01:29:23,157 So our focus was really on the new artists. 1545 01:29:23,241 --> 01:29:26,035 - Thank you. Hi. - That doesn't cut it. No, no, no. 1546 01:29:26,119 --> 01:29:29,831 - No. No. I'm at Clive's table. Thank you. - Very good. 1547 01:29:29,914 --> 01:29:32,375 Happy Birthday! 1548 01:29:32,458 --> 01:29:37,338 This is really a night where each and every one of you here tonight 1549 01:29:37,422 --> 01:29:39,883 will make a discovery. 1550 01:29:40,258 --> 01:29:42,468 Ladies and gentlemen, Ms. Alicia Keys. 1551 01:29:51,269 --> 01:29:53,646 At 16, I was signed by Columbia Records. 1552 01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:58,151 The people at Columbia really didn't understand what I was doing. 1553 01:29:59,611 --> 01:30:03,865 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah ♪ 1554 01:30:03,948 --> 01:30:05,491 ♪ Come on ♪ 1555 01:30:05,575 --> 01:30:07,910 And so, my manager at the time, he was like, 1556 01:30:07,994 --> 01:30:10,554 "Well if they don't get you, then let's find somebody that does." 1557 01:30:11,414 --> 01:30:12,957 I'll never forget meeting Clive. 1558 01:30:13,666 --> 01:30:15,710 I remember him being really appreciative, 1559 01:30:15,793 --> 01:30:19,797 and celebratory of the fact that I was my own artist. 1560 01:30:20,423 --> 01:30:23,843 And I remember feeling so inspired. 1561 01:30:27,305 --> 01:30:29,098 It's like Clive saying, um, 1562 01:30:30,725 --> 01:30:34,187 there are so few times where you really find that special artist. 1563 01:30:34,270 --> 01:30:38,816 And I think Alicia was the one, you know, that came after Whitney. 1564 01:30:38,900 --> 01:30:41,069 ♪ I keep on fallin' ♪ 1565 01:30:41,653 --> 01:30:44,489 ♪ In... ♪ 1566 01:30:48,034 --> 01:30:50,370 ♪ In love ♪ 1567 01:30:50,453 --> 01:30:54,082 People really liked "Fallin'," but it defied all genres. 1568 01:30:54,165 --> 01:30:56,042 It didn't have a place at radio. 1569 01:30:56,125 --> 01:30:58,086 ♪ Sometimes I love you ♪ 1570 01:30:59,087 --> 01:31:00,338 We were slipping a little bit. 1571 01:31:00,421 --> 01:31:03,174 We weren't getting the momentum that we knew the song deserved. 1572 01:31:04,342 --> 01:31:06,342 Clive did something I don't think he had ever done. 1573 01:31:06,386 --> 01:31:09,263 He wrote a letter to Oprah. 1574 01:31:09,347 --> 01:31:13,226 And she's here to sing her first single, called "Fallin'." 1575 01:31:13,309 --> 01:31:15,728 Please welcome Alicia Keys. 1576 01:31:17,897 --> 01:31:20,274 ♪ I keep on fallin' ♪ 1577 01:31:20,358 --> 01:31:24,112 ♪ In and out of love ♪ 1578 01:31:24,195 --> 01:31:26,072 ♪ With you ♪ 1579 01:31:26,155 --> 01:31:28,115 He knew that if people could lay their eyes on me, 1580 01:31:28,157 --> 01:31:30,785 if they could see what he saw, 1581 01:31:30,868 --> 01:31:32,662 that they would see what he saw. 1582 01:31:32,745 --> 01:31:36,541 ♪ I, I, I ♪ 1583 01:31:36,624 --> 01:31:39,544 ♪ Never felt this way ♪ 1584 01:31:39,627 --> 01:31:41,227 The brilliant thing about Alicia Keys was 1585 01:31:41,295 --> 01:31:43,756 she was exactly the sort of thing that Clive Davis 1586 01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:45,550 was not supposed to be able to do anymore. 1587 01:31:45,633 --> 01:31:49,512 Which was discover, like, a hot new young talent, 1588 01:31:49,595 --> 01:31:52,181 who was gonna stand the industry on its head. 1589 01:31:53,307 --> 01:31:57,520 Okay. She's it. Alicia Keys. Thanks, Clive. 1590 01:31:58,938 --> 01:32:00,481 - Thanks, Clive. - Thanks, Clive. 1591 01:32:01,733 --> 01:32:03,943 "Thanks, Clive." 1592 01:32:04,026 --> 01:32:05,987 So we had a lot of wind behind our backs. 1593 01:32:06,070 --> 01:32:09,282 We had success with Alicia, we had success with Luther Vandross. 1594 01:32:09,365 --> 01:32:14,078 ♪ If I could get Another chance ♪ 1595 01:32:14,162 --> 01:32:17,582 I have been a fan of Clive's for... ever. 1596 01:32:18,124 --> 01:32:20,668 Let's just say I was available when he called me. 1597 01:32:22,170 --> 01:32:24,839 ♪ I guess I'll never know ♪ 1598 01:32:24,922 --> 01:32:27,300 We had successes just about with every release. 1599 01:32:29,051 --> 01:32:30,428 - ♪ Break yo' back ♪ - ♪ Come on! ♪ 1600 01:32:30,511 --> 01:32:31,780 - ♪ Break yo' back ♪ - ♪ Come on! ♪ 1601 01:32:31,804 --> 01:32:34,390 Busta Rhymes' first album went platinum. 1602 01:32:34,474 --> 01:32:39,353 ♪ And she will be loved ♪ 1603 01:32:39,437 --> 01:32:41,063 We had Maroon 5. 1604 01:32:41,147 --> 01:32:45,193 ♪ Yeah, here comes the water ♪ 1605 01:32:45,276 --> 01:32:47,862 And rock with Velvet Revolver. 1606 01:32:47,945 --> 01:32:51,908 ♪ Wash away the sins Of you and I ♪ 1607 01:32:51,991 --> 01:32:53,785 Clive just liked having hits. 1608 01:32:53,868 --> 01:32:56,662 But not just hits. He wanted big hits. 1609 01:33:04,837 --> 01:33:06,547 We have the results. 1610 01:33:06,631 --> 01:33:07,882 This is the moment... 1611 01:33:08,883 --> 01:33:11,552 the country has been waiting for. 1612 01:33:12,678 --> 01:33:15,807 It still felt a bit gimmicky, the whole competition. 1613 01:33:15,890 --> 01:33:18,976 Which to be fair, you know, in the past, that's what it had been. 1614 01:33:19,060 --> 01:33:21,938 There was some success in other countries. 1615 01:33:22,021 --> 01:33:24,398 But more as a souvenir. 1616 01:33:24,482 --> 01:33:27,527 There had never really been talent show winners 1617 01:33:27,610 --> 01:33:29,612 who could have recording careers. 1618 01:33:30,655 --> 01:33:33,199 The winner, of American Idol... 1619 01:33:33,282 --> 01:33:34,617 Kelly Clarkson. 1620 01:33:41,833 --> 01:33:43,626 The show had found a superstar. 1621 01:33:43,709 --> 01:33:49,006 And I said to him, "Look, this girl is dependent upon you backing her. 1622 01:33:49,090 --> 01:33:51,884 You've gotta get behind her. You've gotta help with the songs." 1623 01:33:53,427 --> 01:33:57,139 We're gonna use the same process finding material for them 1624 01:33:57,223 --> 01:34:01,769 as we do with our A-plus superstars. 1625 01:34:03,020 --> 01:34:07,942 Pop music had been changing. There was no new Barry Manilow. 1626 01:34:08,025 --> 01:34:10,570 There was no new Barbra Streisand. 1627 01:34:11,487 --> 01:34:15,032 I thought this program would enhance the opportunity 1628 01:34:15,867 --> 01:34:18,578 to break pop artists. 1629 01:34:19,745 --> 01:34:21,038 We did great. 1630 01:34:21,998 --> 01:34:25,293 ♪ Since you've been gone ♪ 1631 01:34:26,377 --> 01:34:30,047 They would literally fly these kids from winning that night 1632 01:34:30,131 --> 01:34:31,299 on a plane to New York, 1633 01:34:31,382 --> 01:34:32,985 and then we were sitting in an office the next day, 1634 01:34:33,009 --> 01:34:34,409 and I was there playing them songs. 1635 01:34:34,927 --> 01:34:37,972 ♪ Jesus, take the wheel ♪ 1636 01:34:38,055 --> 01:34:41,017 ♪ Take it from my hands ♪ 1637 01:34:41,100 --> 01:34:44,854 ♪ 'Cause I can't do this On my own ♪ 1638 01:34:46,063 --> 01:34:49,108 Celebrating the 33 million sales, worldwide. 1639 01:34:49,191 --> 01:34:50,067 So congratulations, 1640 01:34:50,151 --> 01:34:52,511 and thank you for everything that you've done for this show. 1641 01:34:59,869 --> 01:35:04,540 J Records had emerged as an "instant major." 1642 01:35:05,708 --> 01:35:09,045 ♪ You go to my head ♪ 1643 01:35:10,713 --> 01:35:14,926 ♪ And you linger Like a haunting refrain ♪ 1644 01:35:16,052 --> 01:35:19,597 Myself and Richard Perry, one night after a few bottles of wine, 1645 01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:21,974 started just, you know, around the piano, 1646 01:35:22,058 --> 01:35:24,268 singing some of the Great American Songbook. 1647 01:35:25,978 --> 01:35:29,023 We took it to three different labels and they all said no. 1648 01:35:30,149 --> 01:35:33,361 I knew there was one person who would get it, if anybody would. 1649 01:35:34,195 --> 01:35:35,738 So, I went to see Clive. 1650 01:35:35,821 --> 01:35:37,782 He said, "This is terrific. We can do this." 1651 01:35:40,368 --> 01:35:44,830 We all gathered in one of the bungalows that Clive always stays in. 1652 01:35:44,914 --> 01:35:48,125 And Clive said, "Well, I want it to be Fred and Ginger." 1653 01:35:48,209 --> 01:35:51,045 And he got up and started dancing around the room. 1654 01:35:51,128 --> 01:35:53,464 Then Arnold got up and started dancing around the room. 1655 01:35:53,547 --> 01:35:54,966 So did Richard Perry and I. 1656 01:35:55,591 --> 01:35:57,986 Clive would be in the studio in New York at two in the morning. 1657 01:35:58,010 --> 01:36:00,304 Going over tracks, and checking tempos, 1658 01:36:00,388 --> 01:36:02,139 and making sure it was dance-y enough. 1659 01:36:02,223 --> 01:36:03,683 Make it dance-y enough. You know? 1660 01:36:03,766 --> 01:36:07,019 ♪ The way you hold your knife ♪ 1661 01:36:09,105 --> 01:36:11,691 ♪ The way we dance till three ♪ 1662 01:36:13,192 --> 01:36:18,239 Prior to it being released, they got CDs sent to high-end shops, 1663 01:36:18,322 --> 01:36:19,532 all around the country, 1664 01:36:19,615 --> 01:36:22,410 so if women were shopping at Jimmy Choo for shoes, 1665 01:36:22,493 --> 01:36:23,995 or Bergdorf Goodman, 1666 01:36:24,078 --> 01:36:25,931 they would be hearing Rod Stewart singing these songs. 1667 01:36:25,955 --> 01:36:31,544 ♪ They can't take that Away from me ♪ 1668 01:36:31,627 --> 01:36:34,505 Thank you, Clive. Thank you for your belief. 1669 01:36:35,131 --> 01:36:36,608 And I think that's the most important thing. 1670 01:36:36,632 --> 01:36:38,467 You believed in us right from the start. 1671 01:36:38,551 --> 01:36:40,261 Let's hope it'll be number one next week. 1672 01:36:40,344 --> 01:36:42,221 Yeah. 1673 01:36:42,304 --> 01:36:45,016 This album just exploded, 1674 01:36:45,099 --> 01:36:49,603 as did the second and third and fourth volume. 1675 01:36:50,980 --> 01:36:52,982 You know, we were having a lot of success. 1676 01:36:53,941 --> 01:36:55,943 And, at the same time, 1677 01:36:56,944 --> 01:36:59,822 L.A. Reid had come into Arista, 1678 01:37:00,573 --> 01:37:03,034 Zelnick and Dornemann at this point had been fired. 1679 01:37:03,117 --> 01:37:07,371 And, you're in a situation where Arista and L.A. were struggling. 1680 01:37:07,455 --> 01:37:09,331 I became the president of Arista Records. 1681 01:37:10,041 --> 01:37:11,292 Uh, I thought it was growth. 1682 01:37:11,375 --> 01:37:14,962 I thought it was some kind of an accelerated career move. 1683 01:37:15,046 --> 01:37:16,297 But, as it turns out, 1684 01:37:16,380 --> 01:37:21,093 it was... a foolish guy stepping into the shoes of an icon. 1685 01:37:22,011 --> 01:37:24,513 I had a meeting with the new head of BMG. 1686 01:37:24,597 --> 01:37:27,892 And he said, "Look, I'm gonna propose 1687 01:37:27,975 --> 01:37:30,978 that we create BMG North America. 1688 01:37:31,062 --> 01:37:32,938 And I'm gonna make you head. 1689 01:37:33,022 --> 01:37:37,651 And you will now be head of the group that contains RCA Records, 1690 01:37:37,735 --> 01:37:41,989 Jive Records, and you will get back Arista Records." 1691 01:37:46,535 --> 01:37:47,953 Yeah. 1692 01:37:48,037 --> 01:37:49,830 I remember the day. 1693 01:37:49,914 --> 01:37:51,373 I remember the moment. 1694 01:37:52,083 --> 01:37:55,294 When Clive called me to his office, and he said, 1695 01:37:55,377 --> 01:37:57,963 "Ree, I got something that I want you to hear." 1696 01:38:00,341 --> 01:38:02,802 ♪ Like a warrior that fights ♪ 1697 01:38:02,885 --> 01:38:05,054 ♪ And wins the battle ♪ 1698 01:38:05,137 --> 01:38:07,473 ♪ I know the taste of victory ♪ 1699 01:38:08,599 --> 01:38:10,559 ♪ Though I went Through some nights ♪ 1700 01:38:10,643 --> 01:38:13,062 ♪ Consumed by the shadows ♪ 1701 01:38:13,145 --> 01:38:16,023 ♪ I was crippled emotionally ♪ 1702 01:38:16,107 --> 01:38:19,777 He had a 25 year legacy that was coming back, 1703 01:38:19,860 --> 01:38:21,695 and everything had come full circle. 1704 01:38:22,404 --> 01:38:26,534 It was a very emotional moment, because he was also reunited 1705 01:38:26,617 --> 01:38:29,829 with many of the artists that had been part of his life for so long. 1706 01:38:30,371 --> 01:38:36,085 ♪ I write the songs that make the whole world sing ♪ 1707 01:38:37,253 --> 01:38:38,921 He was then working with Whitney again, 1708 01:38:39,004 --> 01:38:41,173 and he was working with Santana again. 1709 01:38:41,257 --> 01:38:46,011 And he was working with so many of the original Arista artists. 1710 01:38:46,095 --> 01:38:50,766 ♪ ...that make The young girls cry ♪ 1711 01:38:50,850 --> 01:38:54,436 ♪ I write the songs, I write the songs ♪ 1712 01:38:58,440 --> 01:39:02,236 ♪ And I write the songs ♪ 1713 01:39:15,499 --> 01:39:18,043 So much of the conversation about my father, 1714 01:39:18,127 --> 01:39:20,462 you know, there are a... 1715 01:39:20,546 --> 01:39:23,257 Just a few artists that defined his career. 1716 01:39:23,340 --> 01:39:27,386 People talk about Joplin and Springsteen and those early culture changing moments. 1717 01:39:27,469 --> 01:39:30,055 But, invariably, people talk about Whitney, 1718 01:39:30,139 --> 01:39:33,350 and the success that they soared to together. 1719 01:39:35,227 --> 01:39:40,024 In the world, he was the only person 1720 01:39:40,107 --> 01:39:42,276 that she really believed... 1721 01:39:43,319 --> 01:39:44,904 knew the answers. 1722 01:39:45,779 --> 01:39:48,365 Even when she would fight with him, 1723 01:39:48,449 --> 01:39:50,492 even when she didn't want to record. 1724 01:39:50,576 --> 01:39:53,287 Even when she didn't like anybody that day, 1725 01:39:53,370 --> 01:39:55,664 she believed in him 100%. 1726 01:39:57,708 --> 01:39:59,418 He treated her like a daughter. You know? 1727 01:39:59,501 --> 01:40:03,339 So she became like a member of our family, 'cause how he treated her. 1728 01:40:04,298 --> 01:40:07,927 Without a doubt. I mean, the deepest relationship that Clive had 1729 01:40:08,010 --> 01:40:12,932 with any artist was with Whitney, you know, there was unprecedented success. 1730 01:40:13,015 --> 01:40:15,684 You know, like, finding her when she was still a teenager. 1731 01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:19,813 And, you know, kind of going on this unbelievable ride. 1732 01:40:20,773 --> 01:40:23,108 And then of course, you know, the downfall. 1733 01:40:24,652 --> 01:40:27,529 Something that was very difficult for Clive to understand. 1734 01:40:28,739 --> 01:40:30,658 Your name's been in the headlines in association 1735 01:40:30,741 --> 01:40:34,662 with a rather bizarre few months surrounding Whitney Houston. 1736 01:40:35,537 --> 01:40:37,998 Allegations that there are substance abuse problems. 1737 01:40:38,082 --> 01:40:39,917 Have you talked to her about it, point blank? 1738 01:40:40,417 --> 01:40:45,089 I have never talked to her about anything other than her professional career. 1739 01:40:45,172 --> 01:40:48,926 And, with respect to her professional career, she is at the top. 1740 01:40:51,804 --> 01:40:54,598 We have this thing of denial, kind of, in our family. 1741 01:40:56,267 --> 01:40:59,770 He didn't really want to know what she was doing. 1742 01:41:01,272 --> 01:41:03,083 You know, to this day, if you talk to Clive about Whitney, 1743 01:41:03,107 --> 01:41:04,984 he'll talk about her smoking. 1744 01:41:05,067 --> 01:41:07,444 It was always smoking. Stop smoking and stuff. 1745 01:41:07,528 --> 01:41:09,655 But that's how he coped with it. 1746 01:41:09,738 --> 01:41:12,992 He couldn't believe his little girl did this. 1747 01:41:13,075 --> 01:41:15,512 I mean, I remember when I went to interview her for Rolling Stone 1748 01:41:15,536 --> 01:41:17,454 and she was smoking. I thought, like, 1749 01:41:17,538 --> 01:41:19,957 "Man, you have that voice and you're smoking?" 1750 01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:22,126 I mean, that struck me as... 1751 01:41:22,209 --> 01:41:24,336 You know, there's a line from W.H. Auden like, 1752 01:41:24,420 --> 01:41:28,132 "A crack in the rim of a teacup leads to the land of the dead." 1753 01:41:28,215 --> 01:41:30,175 And that was the crack in the teacup. 1754 01:41:31,552 --> 01:41:34,972 So much of what you hear was rumors and gossip. 1755 01:41:35,055 --> 01:41:36,974 When he would go, and he would engage her, 1756 01:41:37,057 --> 01:41:38,934 he wouldn't necessarily see that. 1757 01:41:39,435 --> 01:41:42,479 He was seen, by her, as this industry father figure. 1758 01:41:42,563 --> 01:41:46,608 And so any time that she came to see him, 1759 01:41:46,692 --> 01:41:49,778 she would put on her best clothing. 1760 01:41:49,862 --> 01:41:52,823 She'd make herself up. She'd get her hair done. 1761 01:41:52,906 --> 01:41:56,827 She'd walk in with the smile of a woman 1762 01:41:56,910 --> 01:42:00,372 looking to please, you know, that type of person in her life. 1763 01:42:00,456 --> 01:42:03,000 So he would always see her at her best. 1764 01:42:03,083 --> 01:42:04,543 Since the Grammy performance 1765 01:42:04,626 --> 01:42:07,212 is starting off with this stuff, I think it's okay. 1766 01:42:07,296 --> 01:42:09,715 And with Clive, he kept her right there, 1767 01:42:09,798 --> 01:42:11,967 particularly with the music. 1768 01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:16,805 He provided a lot of structure that, you know, was the challenging part. 1769 01:42:16,889 --> 01:42:19,933 You know, his expectations, his standards, were very high. 1770 01:42:20,017 --> 01:42:22,603 And she met those standards when she worked with him. 1771 01:42:22,686 --> 01:42:25,272 Yeah. 1772 01:42:25,356 --> 01:42:27,691 Gossip surrounding Houston's alleged drug abuse 1773 01:42:27,775 --> 01:42:29,318 has followed her for weeks. 1774 01:42:29,401 --> 01:42:32,029 You know, the tough thing is, nobody really knows what's going on. 1775 01:42:32,821 --> 01:42:35,491 In the middle of tabloidal stories, 1776 01:42:35,574 --> 01:42:38,786 chronicling a tumultuous marriage, 1777 01:42:38,869 --> 01:42:43,457 speculating as to the degree of mutual drug use. 1778 01:42:44,750 --> 01:42:46,001 And was I active? 1779 01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:49,463 At this point, I had to be. 1780 01:42:50,506 --> 01:42:53,634 Bobby, for some infraction, was in jail. 1781 01:42:53,717 --> 01:42:56,678 And behind the scenes, I got his agreement 1782 01:42:56,762 --> 01:42:59,348 that he would go into rehab if she did. 1783 01:43:00,766 --> 01:43:02,893 So I invited her to this home. 1784 01:43:03,936 --> 01:43:06,980 She came with her daughter. With her aunt. 1785 01:43:07,064 --> 01:43:10,275 And after dinner, I said, "You know, we should talk. 1786 01:43:10,359 --> 01:43:12,236 Because you've always been there for me. 1787 01:43:12,319 --> 01:43:15,656 We've had an incredible professional life together. 1788 01:43:16,824 --> 01:43:21,078 It's unmistakable, now, that you're fighting drugs. 1789 01:43:22,037 --> 01:43:25,124 Whitney, you won't win this battle." 1790 01:43:27,668 --> 01:43:29,962 She sat there, and gauged me. 1791 01:43:30,838 --> 01:43:33,132 She said, "It's not as bad as you think. 1792 01:43:33,841 --> 01:43:35,426 It's occasional use. 1793 01:43:36,385 --> 01:43:38,762 I'm not ready to do that." 1794 01:43:38,846 --> 01:43:40,097 She didn't deny it. 1795 01:43:41,265 --> 01:43:42,766 But... 1796 01:43:42,850 --> 01:43:45,686 She had not sunken to that level that I imagine 1797 01:43:45,769 --> 01:43:50,482 that the addicted have to sink to in order to get help to save themselves. 1798 01:43:53,068 --> 01:43:55,737 And so that did fall on deaf ears. 1799 01:43:56,822 --> 01:43:59,867 After years now of rumors, and silence on her part, 1800 01:43:59,950 --> 01:44:02,619 about the cancellations, erratic behavior, 1801 01:44:02,703 --> 01:44:04,121 her explosive marriage, 1802 01:44:04,204 --> 01:44:07,749 and the headlines that she was near death because of drug use, 1803 01:44:07,833 --> 01:44:09,626 or partying, as she calls it. 1804 01:44:10,335 --> 01:44:14,173 The last time most of us saw her, the Michael Jackson concert. 1805 01:44:15,424 --> 01:44:17,593 I come to Madison Square Garden. 1806 01:44:18,635 --> 01:44:20,596 And she came on stage... 1807 01:44:22,681 --> 01:44:24,391 and I literally gasped. 1808 01:44:26,143 --> 01:44:28,103 She was near being a skeleton. 1809 01:44:28,187 --> 01:44:29,897 I couldn't believe my eyes. 1810 01:44:32,065 --> 01:44:34,234 And I could barely watch her. 1811 01:44:35,319 --> 01:44:36,612 I was heartsick. 1812 01:44:39,406 --> 01:44:43,619 It was very hard for Clive to understand... 1813 01:44:45,162 --> 01:44:46,663 Whitney's descent. 1814 01:44:46,747 --> 01:44:51,335 You know, Clive loves his life, you know, he has this incredible energy, 1815 01:44:51,418 --> 01:44:53,128 to this day, 1816 01:44:53,212 --> 01:44:57,174 you know, about being Clive Davis, day in and day out. 1817 01:44:57,257 --> 01:45:00,511 So, why you would essentially want to destroy yourself? 1818 01:45:01,929 --> 01:45:04,723 I don't think that that made any sense to him. 1819 01:45:07,226 --> 01:45:09,186 "My dear, dear Whitney. 1820 01:45:09,269 --> 01:45:11,021 The time has come. 1821 01:45:11,104 --> 01:45:16,193 Of course I know that your power of denial is in overdrive. 1822 01:45:17,069 --> 01:45:20,447 I join your mother in pleading with you 1823 01:45:20,531 --> 01:45:23,575 to face up to the truth now. Right now. 1824 01:45:25,077 --> 01:45:26,703 You need help. 1825 01:45:26,787 --> 01:45:28,580 And it must begin now. 1826 01:45:29,831 --> 01:45:35,379 I will stand by you with love and caring to see you through it... 1827 01:45:36,588 --> 01:45:40,050 to newfound peace and happiness, 1828 01:45:40,133 --> 01:45:45,180 to inspire the rest of the world. Love, Clive." 1829 01:45:50,269 --> 01:45:54,773 So we segue... to 2004. 1830 01:45:54,856 --> 01:45:58,318 I was called by the Princess Grace Foundation, 1831 01:45:58,402 --> 01:46:00,195 that at the World Music Awards, 1832 01:46:00,279 --> 01:46:04,825 they would like to present me with their Lifetime Achievement Award. 1833 01:46:05,534 --> 01:46:08,120 And I get this call the day before that. 1834 01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:11,248 From Whitney. 1835 01:46:12,249 --> 01:46:17,588 And she said, "Clive. How could you accept this award without my being there?" 1836 01:46:17,671 --> 01:46:18,922 I said, "Whitney... 1837 01:46:19,673 --> 01:46:21,091 the last time I saw you... 1838 01:46:22,551 --> 01:46:23,927 you were a skeleton." 1839 01:46:24,595 --> 01:46:27,556 She said, "Clive, I'm looking much better. 1840 01:46:27,639 --> 01:46:31,268 I'm still a little thin, but I'm looking much better. 1841 01:46:32,477 --> 01:46:34,021 And vocally, I could do it." 1842 01:46:34,813 --> 01:46:36,481 I said, "Okay, look. I'll tell you what. 1843 01:46:36,565 --> 01:46:40,110 I don't know what you look like. I don't know what you sound like. 1844 01:46:40,736 --> 01:46:43,947 If you're up to it, I'll make arrangements." 1845 01:46:44,781 --> 01:46:46,950 We all know... 1846 01:46:47,034 --> 01:46:49,119 in our industry... 1847 01:46:49,202 --> 01:46:54,666 the artists, the songwriters, the producers, the executives. 1848 01:46:54,750 --> 01:46:58,920 Ladies and gentlemen, the best singer in the world today, 1849 01:46:59,004 --> 01:47:01,381 Ms. Whitney Houston. 1850 01:47:09,389 --> 01:47:12,768 As soon as she was introduced, and started singing... 1851 01:47:15,020 --> 01:47:17,898 coming out of the darkness, you could barely see her... 1852 01:47:18,982 --> 01:47:21,068 and coming forward slowly... 1853 01:47:27,199 --> 01:47:29,409 and the fans went nuts. 1854 01:47:29,493 --> 01:47:31,495 They couldn't believe their eyes. 1855 01:47:33,372 --> 01:47:38,085 ♪ I believe in dreams again ♪ 1856 01:47:40,128 --> 01:47:43,757 ♪ I believe that love Will never end ♪ 1857 01:47:45,342 --> 01:47:50,639 ♪ And like the river Finds the sea ♪ 1858 01:47:51,682 --> 01:47:55,060 ♪ I was lost ♪ 1859 01:47:58,855 --> 01:48:01,066 ♪ Now I'm free ♪ 1860 01:48:02,484 --> 01:48:05,654 ♪ 'Cause I believe in you ♪ 1861 01:48:06,697 --> 01:48:08,907 ♪ And me ♪ 1862 01:48:08,990 --> 01:48:10,742 She went to rehab. 1863 01:48:10,826 --> 01:48:14,496 You know, and she saw how helpful it was to her. 1864 01:48:14,579 --> 01:48:18,542 She was trying to get herself together. It was a struggle, but she was doing it. 1865 01:48:19,251 --> 01:48:22,963 ♪ I was lost ♪ 1866 01:48:25,048 --> 01:48:28,593 ♪ But now I'm I'm free ♪ 1867 01:48:32,889 --> 01:48:34,641 ♪ 'Cause I ♪ 1868 01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:37,811 ♪ I do believe in you ♪ 1869 01:48:40,480 --> 01:48:45,527 ♪ And me ♪ 1870 01:48:48,071 --> 01:48:50,407 And that's the way that I remember Whitney. 1871 01:48:57,622 --> 01:48:58,999 911, emergency. 1872 01:48:59,082 --> 01:49:01,269 Hi, how are you doing? This is security from The Beverly Hilton. 1873 01:49:01,293 --> 01:49:02,603 - What's going on? - I need some paramedics. 1874 01:49:02,627 --> 01:49:05,464 Apparently, we have a 46-year-old female, found in a bathroom. 1875 01:49:05,547 --> 01:49:06,757 That's all I've got right now. 1876 01:49:07,632 --> 01:49:09,468 I know that Whitney never... 1877 01:49:11,219 --> 01:49:13,972 intended to leave so early. 1878 01:49:15,140 --> 01:49:17,184 We all thought that she had beat it. 1879 01:49:18,435 --> 01:49:20,061 And she obviously didn't. 1880 01:49:23,523 --> 01:49:24,691 Singer Whitney Houston, 1881 01:49:24,775 --> 01:49:28,069 one of the greatest voices of our generation, has died. 1882 01:49:28,153 --> 01:49:30,363 Whitney Houston was supposed to be staying here 1883 01:49:30,447 --> 01:49:34,117 for her mentor Clive Davis's famous pre-Grammy party. 1884 01:49:34,451 --> 01:49:36,119 Instead, this is where she died. 1885 01:49:36,203 --> 01:49:37,496 And as Hollywood mourns, 1886 01:49:37,579 --> 01:49:40,248 investigators are now trying to piece together 1887 01:49:40,332 --> 01:49:42,751 the star's final moments. 1888 01:49:42,834 --> 01:49:47,380 She was extremely happy leading up to that day. 1889 01:49:48,799 --> 01:49:50,967 But she was also very disturbed. 1890 01:49:53,053 --> 01:49:54,346 And I knew that. 1891 01:49:57,015 --> 01:49:58,266 I knew that. 1892 01:49:59,976 --> 01:50:03,522 I was informed about this just a few hours... 1893 01:50:04,773 --> 01:50:06,608 before my dinner. 1894 01:50:06,691 --> 01:50:10,946 I literally, obviously, went into shock. 1895 01:50:12,531 --> 01:50:16,827 And I tried to determine what would be the right thing to do. 1896 01:50:19,538 --> 01:50:22,332 Everything stopped. So everyone was wondering, like... 1897 01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:28,213 Will the pre-Grammy go on? Hell, will the Grammys go on? 1898 01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:34,928 There was a tremendous amount of scrutiny. My father was not able to mourn privately. 1899 01:50:38,306 --> 01:50:42,018 We got in the limousine, we turn on the TV as we're going to the party, 1900 01:50:42,769 --> 01:50:46,314 and there's a helicopter view of us in the limousine on CNN. 1901 01:50:47,399 --> 01:50:49,526 You know, you're in the car, looking up. 1902 01:50:49,609 --> 01:50:51,111 It was very surreal. 1903 01:50:51,194 --> 01:50:53,905 I saw tears behind the closed door. 1904 01:50:53,989 --> 01:50:58,243 But he had to wipe them away and head out under the glare of the cameras. 1905 01:51:01,788 --> 01:51:04,249 You know, I saw real strength of character, 1906 01:51:04,332 --> 01:51:07,794 to compose himself and be a leader of other people. 1907 01:51:09,296 --> 01:51:12,799 I felt... that the show must go on. 1908 01:51:13,925 --> 01:51:17,512 I felt, in the tradition of music and show business... 1909 01:51:18,972 --> 01:51:20,765 that the show does go on. 1910 01:51:20,849 --> 01:51:22,934 Whitney was there for that show. 1911 01:51:23,852 --> 01:51:25,812 Loved it. 1912 01:51:25,896 --> 01:51:27,939 She would want it to go on. 1913 01:51:30,233 --> 01:51:31,443 So... 1914 01:51:32,152 --> 01:51:33,862 By now, sadly... 1915 01:51:35,071 --> 01:51:39,034 you've all learned of the unspeakably tragic news 1916 01:51:40,118 --> 01:51:42,495 of our beloved Whitney's passing. 1917 01:51:43,872 --> 01:51:47,709 I don't have to mask my emotions. 1918 01:51:48,752 --> 01:51:50,879 Not in front of this room... 1919 01:51:51,963 --> 01:51:54,299 full of so many dear friends. 1920 01:51:56,051 --> 01:51:58,845 I do have a very heavy heart. 1921 01:51:59,846 --> 01:52:03,266 And I am personally devastated 1922 01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:08,855 by the loss of someone who has meant so much to me for so many years. 1923 01:52:09,773 --> 01:52:12,126 You know, I think a lot of people, you know, that were there, 1924 01:52:12,150 --> 01:52:14,694 they felt really weird about what was going on, 1925 01:52:14,778 --> 01:52:16,988 but it was something that we had to deal with. 1926 01:52:17,072 --> 01:52:19,908 And we wound up, because of Clive dealing with it 1927 01:52:19,991 --> 01:52:21,743 as a musical family, all together. 1928 01:52:23,954 --> 01:52:27,832 When I found out in the news today, I was literally in a state of shock. 1929 01:52:28,833 --> 01:52:31,002 You know, I immediately thought about... 1930 01:52:33,630 --> 01:52:35,840 her mother, Cissy, her father... 1931 01:52:37,592 --> 01:52:40,303 her daughter, her family, her friends. 1932 01:52:42,055 --> 01:52:43,598 And Clive Davis. 1933 01:52:45,016 --> 01:52:48,645 It's rare in this industry that you get somebody to really ride with you. 1934 01:52:50,522 --> 01:52:53,233 Imagine going through some ups and downs like that. 1935 01:52:53,316 --> 01:52:55,944 And having somebody stand by your side 1936 01:52:56,027 --> 01:52:58,905 when the whole world is turning their back on you. 1937 01:53:01,449 --> 01:53:03,118 Somebody that believes in you. 1938 01:53:04,285 --> 01:53:06,645 Somebody that's gonna be there for you in your darkest hour. 1939 01:53:07,372 --> 01:53:09,582 That's the type of man Clive Davis is. 1940 01:53:26,725 --> 01:53:29,102 ♪ Yeah ♪ 1941 01:53:33,815 --> 01:53:35,400 ♪ I believe ♪ 1942 01:53:36,818 --> 01:53:40,572 ♪ That children are our future ♪ 1943 01:53:43,992 --> 01:53:47,037 ♪ Teach them well and ♪ 1944 01:53:48,204 --> 01:53:51,458 ♪ Let them lead the way ♪ 1945 01:53:51,541 --> 01:53:56,254 The loss of Whitney came about as suddenly as the loss of my parents. 1946 01:53:57,464 --> 01:53:59,799 And profoundly reminded me 1947 01:53:59,883 --> 01:54:02,719 how quickly and immediately 1948 01:54:02,802 --> 01:54:07,557 vitally important people in your life can just disappear. 1949 01:54:10,852 --> 01:54:16,107 Perhaps being orphaned in life, substantially deepened the impact 1950 01:54:16,191 --> 01:54:19,152 when Whitney was abruptly taken away from us. 1951 01:54:21,529 --> 01:54:24,115 ♪ We used to be ♪ 1952 01:54:26,201 --> 01:54:29,579 ♪ Everybody's searching For a hero ♪ 1953 01:54:30,663 --> 01:54:34,376 ♪ People need Someone to look up to ♪ 1954 01:54:35,043 --> 01:54:38,671 Clive loves his artists, he believes in his artists, 1955 01:54:38,755 --> 01:54:41,591 he believes in himself, which is important. 1956 01:54:43,093 --> 01:54:45,678 All of the people that were discovered and signed, 1957 01:54:45,762 --> 01:54:49,057 and all of the songs, all of the celebration. 1958 01:54:49,808 --> 01:54:56,022 You know, it all stems from that authentic love of music 1959 01:54:56,523 --> 01:54:59,943 and of the people who create it and perform it. 1960 01:55:01,152 --> 01:55:05,240 You know, what's important is, really, I guess, at the end of the day, 1961 01:55:05,323 --> 01:55:07,867 did you have a good time doing what you did? 1962 01:55:07,951 --> 01:55:11,204 I'm not sure anybody loves what they do more than Clive. 1963 01:55:12,038 --> 01:55:14,558 He kinda has this certain movement that he does with his finger. 1964 01:55:16,042 --> 01:55:18,795 When he likes stuff, or when it's coming to the climax. 1965 01:55:18,878 --> 01:55:23,258 ♪ Because the greatest ♪ 1966 01:55:25,260 --> 01:55:26,719 ♪ Love of all ♪ 1967 01:55:26,803 --> 01:55:29,931 At the end of the day, it's very small. 1968 01:55:30,014 --> 01:55:32,016 It's that original love of music. 1969 01:55:32,100 --> 01:55:35,895 It's the Broadway shows that he went to as a kid. 1970 01:55:35,979 --> 01:55:37,647 That connection. 1971 01:55:37,730 --> 01:55:39,816 That's really what it's about for him. 1972 01:55:40,525 --> 01:55:43,027 He understands it all comes down to a song. 1973 01:55:43,111 --> 01:55:45,071 That's his world. He's a music man. 1974 01:55:45,613 --> 01:55:47,282 And that's what he lives for. 1975 01:55:47,699 --> 01:55:50,910 ♪ The greatest ♪ 1976 01:55:50,994 --> 01:55:54,038 ♪ Love of all ♪ 1977 01:55:58,084 --> 01:55:59,961 Clive loves the process. 1978 01:56:00,044 --> 01:56:04,591 In love with the process today as he was when I first met him all those years ago. 1979 01:56:04,674 --> 01:56:08,511 He's in love with this business, and that's why he'll never give it up. 1980 01:56:09,304 --> 01:56:11,764 This is an artist that I believe in. 1981 01:56:12,223 --> 01:56:14,726 Let me introduce you to Avery Wilson. 1982 01:56:17,270 --> 01:56:20,982 You know, it takes a very special person, at 80-some years old, 1983 01:56:21,065 --> 01:56:24,527 to do the day-to-day that he does. 1984 01:56:24,611 --> 01:56:25,695 I give him a lot of credit. 1985 01:56:26,738 --> 01:56:30,492 Clive will never, ever retire. He'll never leave music. 1986 01:56:30,575 --> 01:56:33,912 He's gonna be in his office, until the wee hours of the morning, 1987 01:56:34,746 --> 01:56:37,248 "Bring the guitar up." 1988 01:56:37,332 --> 01:56:38,917 "Let's bring the vocal down." 1989 01:56:39,667 --> 01:56:42,295 The idea that this gift of music, 1990 01:56:42,378 --> 01:56:47,717 that I never expected to be part of my life, became my passion. 1991 01:56:47,800 --> 01:56:49,052 I'm blessed. 1992 01:56:49,594 --> 01:56:51,763 And truly, so gratified. 1993 01:56:52,764 --> 01:56:56,851 And the best achievement in life is to love your work. 1994 01:56:56,935 --> 01:57:00,021 There is no greater reward, to not count hours, 1995 01:57:00,104 --> 01:57:01,981 not to work nine to five, 1996 01:57:02,065 --> 01:57:05,485 not when it's midnight or 2:00 a.m. and you're still working, 1997 01:57:05,568 --> 01:57:07,946 and know that you're energized by it. 1998 01:57:09,155 --> 01:57:15,245 For me, he stood for everything I wanted to be if I was going to be successful. 1999 01:57:15,328 --> 01:57:17,872 He's either introduced us to more artists, 2000 01:57:17,956 --> 01:57:23,503 more songwriters, more songs, than any other person. 2001 01:57:23,586 --> 01:57:25,588 Ever. Ever. In music. 2002 01:57:26,005 --> 01:57:27,840 It's love, baby. 2003 01:57:27,924 --> 01:57:31,594 You do the thing that you really love to do and you carry on. 2004 01:57:32,345 --> 01:57:33,805 Well let's put it this way. 2005 01:57:34,806 --> 01:57:37,308 Five years ago, Jay-Z, 2006 01:57:37,392 --> 01:57:39,894 who would have thought that you would have retired before me? 2007 01:57:49,404 --> 01:57:51,531 ♪ Find your, find your ♪ 2008 01:57:51,614 --> 01:57:54,492 ♪ Your strength ♪ 2009 01:57:58,329 --> 01:58:00,873 ♪ In ♪ 2010 01:58:17,390 --> 01:58:21,477 ♪ In love ♪ 2011 01:58:41,748 --> 01:58:43,916 ♪ Busted flat in Baton Rouge ♪ 2012 01:58:44,792 --> 01:58:46,753 ♪ Waitin' for a train ♪ 2013 01:58:46,836 --> 01:58:50,757 ♪ And I was feelin' near as faded as my jeans ♪ 2014 01:58:52,550 --> 01:58:55,428 ♪ Bobby thumbed a diesel down ♪ 2015 01:58:55,511 --> 01:58:57,847 ♪ Just before it rained ♪ 2016 01:58:57,930 --> 01:59:01,434 ♪ It rode us all the way To New Orleans ♪ 2017 01:59:03,019 --> 01:59:05,313 ♪ I pulled my harpoon ♪ 2018 01:59:05,396 --> 01:59:08,274 ♪ Out of my dirty red bandana ♪ 2019 01:59:08,358 --> 01:59:12,987 ♪ I was playin' soft while Bobby Sang the blues, yeah ♪ 2020 01:59:13,863 --> 01:59:16,240 ♪ Windshield wipers Slappin' time ♪ 2021 01:59:16,324 --> 01:59:19,077 ♪ I was holdin' Bobby's hand in mine ♪ 2022 01:59:19,160 --> 01:59:22,246 ♪ We sang every song That driver knew ♪ 2023 01:59:24,457 --> 01:59:29,003 ♪ Freedom's just another word For nothin' left to lose ♪ 2024 01:59:29,629 --> 01:59:33,174 ♪ Nothin', don't mean nothin', hon if it ain't free ♪ 2025 01:59:33,257 --> 01:59:34,425 ♪ No, no ♪ 2026 01:59:34,509 --> 01:59:37,679 ♪ And, feelin' good was easy, Lord ♪ 2027 01:59:37,762 --> 01:59:39,597 ♪ When he sang the blues ♪ 2028 01:59:39,681 --> 01:59:43,184 ♪ You know, feelin' good Was good enough for me ♪ 2029 01:59:45,395 --> 01:59:48,648 ♪ Good enough for me And my Bobby McGee ♪ 2030 01:59:52,860 --> 01:59:55,405 ♪ From the Kentucky coal mine ♪ 2031 01:59:55,488 --> 01:59:57,990 ♪ To the California sun ♪ 2032 01:59:58,074 --> 02:00:01,786 ♪ There Bobby shared the secrets Of my soul ♪ 2033 02:00:03,204 --> 02:00:05,832 ♪ Through all kinds of weather ♪ 2034 02:00:05,915 --> 02:00:08,334 ♪ Through everything we done ♪ 2035 02:00:08,418 --> 02:00:11,754 ♪ Yeah, Bobby baby Kept me from the cold ♪ 2036 02:00:13,423 --> 02:00:16,259 ♪ One day up near Salinas, Lord ♪ 2037 02:00:16,342 --> 02:00:18,302 ♪ I let him slip away... ♪ 2038 02:00:31,858 --> 02:00:34,569 ♪ I just want you close ♪ 2039 02:00:38,156 --> 02:00:41,367 ♪ Where you can stay forever ♪ 2040 02:00:43,077 --> 02:00:47,165 ♪ You can be sure ♪ 2041 02:00:48,791 --> 02:00:51,919 ♪ That it will only get better ♪ 2042 02:00:53,129 --> 02:00:55,590 ♪ You and me together ♪ 2043 02:00:55,673 --> 02:00:58,092 ♪ Through the days and nights ♪ 2044 02:00:58,176 --> 02:01:00,011 ♪ I don't worry 'cause ♪ 2045 02:01:00,094 --> 02:01:02,764 ♪ Everything's gonna be all right ♪ 2046 02:01:03,806 --> 02:01:05,892 ♪ People keep talking ♪ 2047 02:01:05,975 --> 02:01:08,227 ♪ They can say what they like ♪ 2048 02:01:08,978 --> 02:01:10,605 ♪ But all I know is ♪ 2049 02:01:10,688 --> 02:01:13,357 ♪ Everything's gonna be all right ♪ 2050 02:01:13,941 --> 02:01:19,572 ♪ And no one, no one, no one ♪ 2051 02:01:20,406 --> 02:01:24,744 ♪ Can get in the way Of what I'm feeling ♪ 2052 02:01:24,827 --> 02:01:29,832 ♪ No one, no one, no one ♪ 2053 02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:35,546 ♪ Can get in the way Of what I feel for you ♪ 2054 02:01:36,631 --> 02:01:39,133 ♪ You ♪ 2055 02:01:39,217 --> 02:01:41,803 ♪ You ♪ 2056 02:01:41,886 --> 02:01:46,224 ♪ Can get in the way of what I feel for you ♪ 2057 02:01:46,307 --> 02:01:51,395 ♪ When the rain is pouring down ♪ 2058 02:01:53,022 --> 02:01:56,234 ♪ And my heart is hurting ♪ 2059 02:01:57,109 --> 02:02:01,989 ♪ You will always be around ♪ 2060 02:02:03,616 --> 02:02:07,119 ♪ This I know for certain ♪ 2061 02:02:07,745 --> 02:02:10,248 ♪ You and me together ♪ 2062 02:02:10,331 --> 02:02:12,875 ♪ Through the days and nights ♪ 2063 02:02:12,959 --> 02:02:14,669 ♪ I don't worry 'cause ♪ 2064 02:02:14,752 --> 02:02:17,630 ♪ Everything's gonna be All right ♪ 2065 02:02:18,464 --> 02:02:20,550 ♪ People keep talking ♪ 2066 02:02:20,633 --> 02:02:22,718 ♪ They can say what they like ♪ 2067 02:02:23,594 --> 02:02:25,221 ♪ But all I know is ♪ 2068 02:02:25,304 --> 02:02:28,516 ♪ Everything's gonna be all right ♪ 2069 02:02:28,599 --> 02:02:34,188 ♪ No one, no one, no one ♪ 2070 02:02:35,147 --> 02:02:39,318 ♪ Can get in the way of what I'm feeling ♪ 2071 02:02:39,402 --> 02:02:44,699 ♪ No one, no one, no one ♪ 2072 02:02:45,867 --> 02:02:50,162 ♪ Can get in the way of what I feel for you ♪ 2073 02:02:51,247 --> 02:02:53,791 ♪ You ♪ 2074 02:02:53,875 --> 02:02:56,335 ♪ You ♪ 2075 02:02:56,419 --> 02:02:59,714 ♪ Can get in the way of what I feel ♪ 2076 02:02:59,797 --> 02:03:04,886 ♪ I know some people Search the world ♪ 2077 02:03:04,969 --> 02:03:07,096 ♪ To find ♪ 2078 02:03:07,179 --> 02:03:10,391 ♪ Something like what we have ♪ 2079 02:03:10,474 --> 02:03:13,853 ♪ I know people will try ♪ 2080 02:03:13,936 --> 02:03:17,857 ♪ Try to divide Something so real ♪ 2081 02:03:17,940 --> 02:03:19,650 ♪ So till the end of time ♪ 2082 02:03:19,734 --> 02:03:23,112 ♪ I'm telling you That in the world ♪ 2083 02:03:23,195 --> 02:03:27,450 ♪ No one, no one ♪ 2084 02:03:28,534 --> 02:03:32,538 ♪ Can get in the way of what I'm feeling ♪ 2085 02:03:32,622 --> 02:03:38,169 ♪ No one, no one, no one ♪ 2086 02:03:39,128 --> 02:03:44,216 ♪ Can get in the way of what I feel for you ♪ 158656

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