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♪ Freedom's just another word
For nothing left to lose ♪
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♪ Nothin'
That's all that Bobby left me ♪
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♪ Yeah ♪
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♪ And feelin' good
Was easy, Lord ♪
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♪ Bobby sang the blues ♪
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♪ Feelin' good
Was good enough for me ♪
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♪ Good enough for me
And Bobby McGee ♪
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♪ And it's just like the ocean
Under the moon ♪
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♪ It's the same as the emotion
That I get from you ♪
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♪ You got the kind of lovin'
That can be so smooth yeah ♪
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♪ Give me your heart
Make it real or else forget about it ♪
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♪ Let's not forget about it ♪
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♪ Looks like we made it ♪
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♪ We left each other
On the way ♪
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♪ To another love ♪
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♪ Looks like we made it ♪
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♪ Or I thought so till today ♪
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♪ People have the power
To dream ♪
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♪ People have the power
To love ♪
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♪ The power to dream ♪
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♪ To rule ♪
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♪ To wrestle the world
From fools ♪
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♪ I will feel ♪
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♪ I will feel ♪
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♪ I will be free ♪
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♪ I will be ♪
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♪ I will be free ♪
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No. I'm-- I'm not like him.
He is much...
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He's much better with artists
than I am, I've gotta tell you. Um...
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And his incredible
attention to detail,
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second to none.
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But look, deep down,
we all wanted to be Clive Davis,
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you know, and have that track record,
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that ability to turn an artist
into a superstar.
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You know, that's quite unique.
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I've been his competitor,
I've been his friend.
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And, it's all about one thing:
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Is the song good enough?
Is the vocal good enough?
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Is it exciting enough?
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And that's what he does.
That's how he gets off.
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Most-- You know,
most people, as executives,
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get a chance to make it
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for maybe a soundtrack
for a period of time.
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Like, you talking about
the '60s, '70s,
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'80s, '90s... 2000s.
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He's made the soundtrack
you know, for our lives.
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We're less than 24 hours away
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from music's biggest night.
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But tonight, the who's who
of the music world
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all at the most prestigious
Grammy party,
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hosted by legendary
music producer, Clive Davis.
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He's one of the few surviving
music moguls from the 1960s.
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It's a story that spans four decades
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and countless chart-topping hits.
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Clive has been around for a while.
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You know that he discovered
Earth Wind & Fire?
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Not the band, the elements.
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As always, we're still doing this.
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There's a certain dopamine release
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that comes from having a hit record.
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And, you know, Clive's a hit addict.
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Here he is:
the man with the golden ears.
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The one, the only,
Mr. Clive Davis!
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Clive's Grammy parties...
kinda more than just a party.
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You know, it's, it's--
it's kind of a historical event.
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- ♪ You better think ♪
- ♪ Think ♪
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♪ Think about what you're trying
To do to me ♪
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- ♪ Think ♪
- ♪ Think, think ♪
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♪ Let your mind go
Let yourself be free ♪
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- ♪ Oh, freedom ♪
- ♪ Freedom ♪
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The Grammy party,
that's bigger than the Grammys.
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You know, trying to get a ticket
to that is not easy.
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For Maroon 5, a chance of a lifetime,
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to be launched by one of
music's top star-makers.
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♪ This love has taken its toll ♪
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♪ On me, she said goodbye ♪
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♪ Too many times before ♪
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That party is a rite of passage.
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You haven't made it in this business
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until you're invited to that party.
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♪ What you gonna say? ♪
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♪ Pass the Courvoisier ♪
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- ♪ We gonna tell that brother ♪
- ♪ Pass the Courvoisier ♪
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Everyone from all walks of life
in the same room.
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But, of course, music brings
everyone together.
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♪ It ain't me ♪
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♪ It ain't me ♪
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♪ I ain't no millionaire's son ♪
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♪ It ain't me ♪
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♪ It ain't me ♪
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♪ I ain't no fortunate one ♪
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I'm looking in this audience
right now,
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I have to bow
in the presence of greatness.
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♪ This will be oh!
You and me yeah! ♪
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♪ Yes, siree, eternally ♪
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♪ Huggin' and squeezin'
and kissin' and pleasin' ♪
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♪ Together forever
Through rain or whatever ♪
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♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
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There is nobody who can get
the whole industry together,
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but Clive Davis.
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This night never ceases to be special.
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And it is gonna be
real special tonight.
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If you're willing to...
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take a musical journey with me.
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♪ It's Make Believe
Ballroom time ♪
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♪ Put all your cares away ♪
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I grew up with the radio.
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A lot of listening
to the Make Believe Ballroom.
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So I did know the songs of the day,
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but never thought of it as a profession.
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The emphasis in Jewish families
that did not have any money
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was that you gotta be a lawyer,
or you gotta be a doctor.
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I was gonna be a lawyer, with no clue
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what being a lawyer meant,
what it entailed.
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You were gonna be a lawyer.
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I applied for and got
a scholarship to NYU.
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But my mother died
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as my second year of college
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was beginning.
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My world was thrown topsy-turvy.
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The closest person in my life
was my mother.
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And my father died
within that following year.
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The word orphan, you know, that...
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some other people applied to me,
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I couldn't believe that that word...
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was, um, being applied to myself.
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I think the death of Clive's parents
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when he was young
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is one reason why Clive works so hard.
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You know, if anything goes,
it's not gonna be because
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he didn't make the strongest effort
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to make sure that it stayed.
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Oh right.
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Uh, 1950.
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He was very smart in school.
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Smarter than I was.
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And, he parlayed that into
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a wonderful job right after school.
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I was working at one
of the top law firms in the city.
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Until one day, I get a call
from one of my clients,
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I get a call from one of my clients,
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the chief attorney
for Columbia Records.
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And he said,
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"We have a two-man legal department.
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I'm not happy with my number two man.
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Within six months to a year,
the number two man
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will be the chief lawyer
for Columbia Records.
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That's what I offer you."
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I knew nothing about music.
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I knew nothing about what awaited me.
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But I did seize that opportunity.
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Five years later,
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Goddard Lieberson, the president
of Columbia Records,
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calls me into his office, and he said,
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"I would like you to leave the law,
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and become head
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of the Musical Instruments Division.
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All the people at Fender Guitars,
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at Leslie Speakers,
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at Steinway Piano,
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they'll report to you."
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I went home that night,
gave great thought to it,
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and I said, "You know,
I'm gonna turn it down."
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The next morning,
there's a call from Goddard,
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and he said, "Clive,
there's been a change of plans."
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He said, "Norman Adler really
wants to move to La Jolla,
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I'm gonna make him
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Head of The Musical Instruments
Division.
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And you'll be the new head
of Columbia Records."
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That's how I got
in the record business.
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♪ Moon River ♪
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♪ Wider than a mile ♪
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At that time, Columbia was preeminent
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in classical music.
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They were preeminent
in Broadway shows.
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And in middle-of-the-road music,
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with Andy Williams,
and Barbra Streisand,
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Vikki Carr, Tony Bennett.
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They were not interested
in rock 'n' roll.
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Please, don't just sit there.
Come on and sing.
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♪ Five foot two, eyes of blue ♪
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In fact, Mitch Miller,
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the famed Mitch Miller,
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who had his own TV show
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and was the A&R man
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par excellence at Columbia Records.
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He believed that rock
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was a passing phenomenon,
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and that it was ephemeral,
and would disappear.
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Mitch Miller was
a real powerhouse at Columbia,
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and very famously,
couldn't stand rock 'n' roll.
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And, as often happens,
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that kind of permeated
the entire company.
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There's two kinds of music:
good and bad.
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And the rest is all bullshit.
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♪ Has anybody seen my gal? ♪
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And it was
at this point that Lou Adler
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asked me to go to
the Monterey Pop Festival,
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when my life would be changed forever.
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♪ If you're going ♪
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♪ To San Francisco ♪
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♪ Be sure to wear ♪
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♪ Some flowers in your hair ♪
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I was blown away.
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I had never seen
any hint of the cultural,
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social revolution
coming out of Haight-Ashbury.
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And I was there, with white
pants and a tennis sweater.
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So I was the one that looked weird.
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The second artist that I saw
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that first afternoon
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was Big Brother &
the Holding Company.
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No mention as to who
the lead singer would be.
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♪ Hon, tell me why ♪
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♪ Why does everything go wrong? ♪
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♪ Baby ♪
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As soon as Janis Joplin came on stage,
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I mean, she was hypnotic.
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♪ Well, here you gone today ♪
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♪ And I want to love you ♪
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♪ I want to love you
For so long ♪
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Now these years later,
it sounds almost cliche,
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but I felt my spine tingle
and my arms vibrate.
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♪ Hon, oh, this can't be ♪
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♪ Oh, b-b-b-b-baby ♪
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♪ A love in vain ♪
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I was just overcome with emotion.
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And I was saying, you know,
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this isn't just a social revolution.
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This is a musical revolution.
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♪ Oh, tell me why ♪
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♪ Oh, people, tell me why love ♪
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♪ Honey, why love is like ♪
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♪ Well, it's like
A ball and... ♪
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♪ And a chain ♪
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This was the night
I signed Janis Joplin.
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She was the first artist
I ever signed.
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I did dig it
the first time I heard it.
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I also liked it the other way.
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He took those meetings right away.
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And he had to prove to them,
beyond the way that he looked
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and beyond the history
of those record companies,
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that CBS Columbia was a place
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where they could feel comfortable.
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Last night, James passed out
in the Chelsea lobby.
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You've been drinking
a little too much, James.
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It was very corporate for her.
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And she said, "You know, this is
the biggest moment in my life.
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You're signing,
I'm signing with my group.
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Let's go to bed together."
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♪ Summertime, time, time ♪
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I said, "It's a compliment,
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but, we're not gonna mix
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business with pleasure."
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He seemed a little naive,
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as far as artist relations.
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But, he portrayed an honest person.
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And that particular time period,
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everyone was looking for the truth.
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♪ Take another little piece
Of my heart now, baby ♪
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♪ Take it ♪
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♪ Take another little piece
Of my heart now, baby ♪
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The world that
Columbia Records represented
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in the mid-'60s was over.
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♪ You know you got it, child
If it makes you feel good ♪
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Clive was not the kind of guy
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who would sit there and bemoan that
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and try to beat that dead horse.
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I mean, he was somebody that was like,
what is the future gonna be?
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And it was very clear,
at that point, to him,
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that the future was
gonna be rock 'n' roll.
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And so, you know, he set out
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on a mission to really make that happen.
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One, two, three, four!
One, two, three, four!
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Dazzled by what
I had seen at Monterey,
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in a matter of 12 to 24 months,
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I signed The Electric Flag.
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♪ Someone is waiting ♪
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I signed Blood, Sweat & Tears.
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♪ Spinnin' wheel
Spinnin' true ♪
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And Chicago.
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♪ Twenty-five or six to four ♪
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♪ Oh, yeah! ♪
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It was titillating, yes.
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Nerve-racking, yes.
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My God, I'm actually signing artists.
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I never thought I would do it.
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I never thought that was my destiny.
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I remember getting this call,
saying Bill Graham
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wants you to come to The Fillmore
in San Francisco.
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He's got a group
that he thinks is fabulous.
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Everybody was coming to coo us.
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Atlantic and, of course,
Columbia and Elektra.
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All kinds of record companies.
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Bill Graham,
held a couple of auditions,
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one with Clive Davis
and one with Ahmet Ertegun.
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I wanted to be with Clive in CBS
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because I saw a poster for Christmas,
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and it had Paul Simon,
Miles Davis, Bob Dylan, Electric Flag.
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It had everybody in it.
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But, the whole band
wanted to go with Atlantic.
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So, I literally played horrible
for Ahmet Ertegun.
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And the band was so pissed off at me.
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"Hey, what are you doing?"
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However, when Clive was there,
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I remember just playing my heart out.
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I just--
I just felt that, you know--
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I felt that there was something
of a chemistry with him.
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I had been told that one or two
of my major competitors
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had seen them and didn't sign them.
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But I said, you just gotta trust this...
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instinct that you have,
this feeling that you have.
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You've got to stand or fall
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on whether you end up
having ears or not.
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It was only
the building of a track record
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that it became evident
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that I might have a natural gift
that I never knew I had.
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♪ Got a black magic woman ♪
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In the late '60s, it was Clive
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who brought Columbia
fully into the rock world.
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And on more than one occasion,
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we found ourselves
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in competition for a great new act.
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And both Clive and I were
after a group called Moby Grape.
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And they said, "Look,
we're gonna sign with you,
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but we promised Clive
one last meeting."
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I said, "Don't sign anything,
and call me."
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And at ten o'clock at night
I get a phone call.
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"We got great news for you.
We signed with Clive."
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I said, "What do you mean,
you signed with Clive?
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You promised me--" "No", he said,
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"Man, you're gonna be very happy."
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I said, "Why?"
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They said, "Well you know how
you really dig our music?
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Well Clive has agreed
that you can come in and listen
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in the studio, while we make..."
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"while we make the album."
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And I said, "Oh, shit!"
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He has a certain kind
of child-like enthusiasm.
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If you're representing talent,
or are talent itself,
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that's the kind of person
you want to deal with.
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You don't want to deal with
somebody who sees everything
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in terms of dollars and cents.
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I'm not saying he didn't understand
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the economics of the music business,
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because he did better
than anybody I know,
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but he also brought
that other element,
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which is artistic rapprochement
with the talent.
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Clive came in right in
and had a special relationship,
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I think, with Simon and Garfunkel.
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Personally, I felt friendship.
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I thought he was a smart guy.
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I didn't know what
his musical abilities were
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because he was coming out of law.
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But the big surprise of Clive Davis
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is that he became you know,
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a musical...
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a musical force in the record business.
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I got a call one day, they were ready
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with their next album.
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They were debating
what'll be the single.
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What'll be the single?
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I said, it's probably "Cecilia."
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and Clive said, "No, it has
to be 'Bridge over Troubled Water.'"
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"But Clive, you sure?
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We don't hear anything
that soft on the radio.
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♪ When you're weary ♪
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♪ When you're weary ♪
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"You can't get away with that."
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Clive said, "Watch,
we're gonna get away with it."
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♪ When tears are in... ♪
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This is a great moment
in my life 'cause it's about boldness.
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He knows when music is good,
but better than good.
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Everyone thinks
they can pick a hit song.
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Everyone thinks
they know a great artist.
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There are just a few people
who really understand it.
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And Clive is the epitome of that person.
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I'd been up to Columbia
and I had played for John Hammond,
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and John said, "Gee, I love you,
but you gotta play for Clive."
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And I went in, and I sat down,
and played the songs.
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And this was, like, one of
the biggest days of my life.
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We went in, we did the record
and sent it over to him.
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And he sent it back. It's like...
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He sent it back and he says,
"There's no singles.
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There's no singles on the record."
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And I said, "Well, you know,
that's probably true, you know."
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And I went down to the beach
and I wrote, "Blinded by the Light."
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And "Spirit In The Night."
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So that was a good call.
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"And she was blinded by the light,
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"cut loose like a goose."
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What a great phrase that is.
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There was a film of Clive,
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reciting the lyrics
to "Blinded by the Light,"
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which was sent out
to all the branch offices.
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"And some fresh-sown moonstone
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"was messin' with his frozen zone...
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"to remind him
of the feeling of romance."
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This goes on for about
four or five minutes.
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And it impressed me as a tremendous
personal commitment to my own career,
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but also helped explain why there were
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both words and music on the record.
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♪ And she was blinded
By the light ♪
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♪ Oh, cut loose like a goose ♪
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♪ Another runner in the night ♪
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♪ Blinded by the light ♪
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"Mama always told me
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"not to look
into the sights of the sun.
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"Oh, but mama,
that's where the fun is."
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Bruce... Springsteen.
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♪ Nineteen seventy-one ♪
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♪ We all heard
The starter's gun ♪
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♪ New York is such a pity... ♪
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Clive Davis took me aside,
put his arm around me,
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and said, "You're gonna be a big star.
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"And we're gonna sign you up,
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"and you're gonna have lots of money.
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"And your career
is gonna explode."
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♪ And then
Old Clive Davis said ♪
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♪ Surely gonna make us a star ♪
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Think about this.
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From an artist's perspective,
I never felt ignored.
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Do you know how many artists
he had to work with? How many...
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How much he had to do,
in a day's work?
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No one felt left out.
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I remember the great Miles Davis
coming to see me.
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And saying to me,
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00:24:01,948 --> 00:24:03,992
"Why are you signing
these fucking..."
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00:24:04,076 --> 00:24:05,786
He used the word "fucking,"
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"young white guys...
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"who are stealing my chops,
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and they're selling millions of albums."
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And he really was angry.
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Wanted off the label.
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I said, "Miles, to move into
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this new world
of contemporary pop music,
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you're gonna have to let me book you
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at the Fillmore Easts
and Wests of the world.
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00:24:32,145 --> 00:24:33,897
You're gonna have to play colleges,
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you're gonna have to play
to this young rock audience.
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And I know in my heart
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you're gonna learn
from the experience.
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00:24:42,239 --> 00:24:46,118
You're gonna adapt
whatever your genius creates.
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You're gonna be affected
by this."
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And it did affect him.
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00:25:00,632 --> 00:25:03,468
So that his follow up album
was Bitches Brew.
448
00:25:04,177 --> 00:25:05,512
And that broke through.
449
00:25:08,724 --> 00:25:11,268
And so I get this big package.
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And I open it up.
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And it's an outfit.
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00:25:17,274 --> 00:25:20,110
And saying, "I want you to wear this
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to this gig at The Fillmore."
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00:25:24,322 --> 00:25:28,410
And he was shocked that
I came to the concert in it.
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We took pictures,
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and Cash Box put that
on its cover, of me and Miles.
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I think Clive Davis...
he knows how to spot talent.
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Yeah.
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He knows how to give that talent...
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room.
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To breathe, right.
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- You know, to breathe.
- Yeah.
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00:25:50,515 --> 00:25:53,351
And he did that with Huff and myself.
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I said,
"How do we get into R&B music?"
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And I made a deal with Gamble and Huff
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and financed
Philadelphia International.
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- ♪ People all over the world ♪
- ♪ Everybody ♪
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- ♪ Join in ♪
- ♪ Join ♪
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♪ Start a love train ♪
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♪ Love train ♪
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The O'Jays, with all their hits.
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Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes,
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featuring Teddy Pendergrass.
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- ♪ If you don't know me by now ♪
- ♪ If you don't ♪
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"Me and Mrs. Jones"
by Billy Paul.
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♪ Mrs. Jones ♪
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♪ Mrs. Jones, Mrs. Jones... ♪
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One hit after another.
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♪ We got a thing... ♪
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Leading me to make my first move.
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And the first artist that I signed,
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in that connection,
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00:26:49,950 --> 00:26:51,993
was Earth Wind & Fire.
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00:26:52,077 --> 00:26:54,621
♪ Do you remember? ♪
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We became a major factor
in R&B music.
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00:26:58,708 --> 00:27:00,836
♪ Love was changing the minds
of pretenders ♪
487
00:27:02,212 --> 00:27:04,047
♪ While chasing
The clouds away ♪
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00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:06,716
You know, he had
a very three-dimensional sense
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of what the music industry
could become.
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00:27:10,345 --> 00:27:12,931
There suddenly were like,
millions and millions
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00:27:13,014 --> 00:27:15,267
of young people who love this music.
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00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:17,519
You know, they weren't
necessarily being served,
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00:27:18,228 --> 00:27:23,024
and along came someone like Clive Davis
or Ahmet Ertegun who kinda got that.
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00:27:23,525 --> 00:27:27,028
And, you know,
they built the music business.
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00:27:30,323 --> 00:27:32,242
The last artist
that I signed to Columbia
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was an artist that I think is gonna
happen in a very, very big way.
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00:27:35,996 --> 00:27:37,539
I got into him, er...
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about a year and a half--
Before he was on another label,
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The Family Records label.
I'm talking Billy Joel.
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♪ It's nine o'clock
On a Saturday ♪
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♪ The regular crowd
Shuffles in ♪
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00:27:50,010 --> 00:27:52,387
You know, because
of the signings that Clive made,
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00:27:52,888 --> 00:27:56,433
Columbia really became, you know,
the premier label in the country.
504
00:27:58,310 --> 00:28:00,937
Our market share zoomed up.
505
00:28:01,563 --> 00:28:04,232
We went from third place to first place.
506
00:28:04,608 --> 00:28:05,859
We were on fire.
507
00:28:06,526 --> 00:28:08,486
Columbia Records to me became
508
00:28:08,778 --> 00:28:10,698
the biggest and best
record company in the world.
509
00:28:10,739 --> 00:28:14,826
They had a classical department, a country
department, an R&B department--
510
00:28:14,910 --> 00:28:16,912
They were in every aspect
of the music business.
511
00:28:17,287 --> 00:28:20,040
He may have been a lawyer
before he got into music,
512
00:28:20,415 --> 00:28:23,376
but when he got into music,
he was a music man.
513
00:28:23,627 --> 00:28:26,338
I mean, a real music man.
514
00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:40,310
Thank you very much.
515
00:28:41,645 --> 00:28:44,397
I always worried.
I worried in school.
516
00:28:46,650 --> 00:28:48,944
Never assumed because I might've had
517
00:28:49,027 --> 00:28:51,196
an A average that I would get an A.
I would...
518
00:28:52,239 --> 00:28:53,281
I would worry.
519
00:28:54,783 --> 00:28:57,327
I think Clive
took a very specific lesson
520
00:28:57,410 --> 00:28:58,912
from the death of his parents.
521
00:28:59,371 --> 00:29:02,999
The idea that, you know,
you could rise to these heights
522
00:29:03,083 --> 00:29:05,961
and have that just suddenly disappear
523
00:29:06,044 --> 00:29:08,338
was a kind of
deep-seated fear for him,
524
00:29:08,421 --> 00:29:12,133
that un--unbelievably came true
in the world.
525
00:29:14,386 --> 00:29:16,137
It was 1973.
526
00:29:17,472 --> 00:29:19,975
Everything was going great
at the label.
527
00:29:20,767 --> 00:29:24,896
When I had a meeting one day
with the finance department,
528
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,358
and they told me they had uncovered
529
00:29:28,441 --> 00:29:31,611
a fraudulent invoice scheme.
530
00:29:33,488 --> 00:29:35,407
The story begins with Pat Falcone,
531
00:29:35,490 --> 00:29:37,158
a convicted heroin smuggler
532
00:29:37,242 --> 00:29:39,703
with ties to a large
New York mafia family.
533
00:29:40,287 --> 00:29:42,789
Federal agents found documents
in his apartment
534
00:29:43,498 --> 00:29:45,750
that were traced to David Wynshaw,
535
00:29:46,001 --> 00:29:47,377
a CBS Records executive.
536
00:29:51,464 --> 00:29:54,259
I was then told that Dave Wynshaw
537
00:29:54,342 --> 00:29:57,262
had submitted fraudulent invoices,
538
00:29:57,721 --> 00:29:59,514
involving myself,
539
00:30:00,932 --> 00:30:02,559
and forged my signature.
540
00:30:06,104 --> 00:30:08,231
We investigated everything.
541
00:30:08,356 --> 00:30:11,026
And I was cleared,
I was never implicated.
542
00:30:11,109 --> 00:30:14,738
He never claimed that I knew anything,
which I did not.
543
00:30:16,406 --> 00:30:19,326
To get a lower prison sentence,
544
00:30:19,409 --> 00:30:21,411
Dave came up with the allegation
545
00:30:21,494 --> 00:30:23,121
that there was payola
546
00:30:23,246 --> 00:30:24,956
and/or drugola
547
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,916
involved in the record industry,
548
00:30:27,167 --> 00:30:29,085
including Columbia Records.
549
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,592
Well, that made the matter
enormously significant,
550
00:30:36,134 --> 00:30:39,137
to anybody, any company, especially CBS,
551
00:30:39,220 --> 00:30:42,515
with broadcast licenses
from the federal government,
552
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:46,311
the fear of what
the repercussion might be.
553
00:30:46,644 --> 00:30:49,731
He was working for this
uptight CBS company,
554
00:30:49,814 --> 00:30:53,193
whose television network
was more important to them
555
00:30:53,276 --> 00:30:54,436
than anything with the music.
556
00:30:54,819 --> 00:30:57,197
They had relationships in Washington
557
00:30:57,739 --> 00:30:59,115
and they had to be very careful.
558
00:30:59,324 --> 00:31:00,867
If there was a whiff of a scandal,
559
00:31:00,950 --> 00:31:02,619
somebody will dig into it
560
00:31:02,827 --> 00:31:05,413
and blow up the company.
561
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:08,249
And, so they dumped him.
562
00:31:11,336 --> 00:31:13,129
Other than the death of my mother,
563
00:31:13,213 --> 00:31:16,424
it was the biggest shock of my life.
564
00:31:18,218 --> 00:31:21,596
He had to leave the building on
the same day that he was fired.
565
00:31:21,888 --> 00:31:24,349
They had a security guard
to escort him out.
566
00:31:24,766 --> 00:31:26,926
It was in all the papers.
It really made him sound like
567
00:31:26,976 --> 00:31:28,478
like he was a...
568
00:31:28,561 --> 00:31:31,272
a crooked guy, and he wasn't.
569
00:31:31,731 --> 00:31:33,441
It was terrible.
570
00:31:34,609 --> 00:31:35,609
It was...
571
00:31:36,611 --> 00:31:39,030
It was a shock to us.
572
00:31:40,198 --> 00:31:41,950
It was, uh, sudden.
573
00:31:42,242 --> 00:31:44,994
And, you know, it was...
and it was public.
574
00:31:45,995 --> 00:31:47,848
You know, all I heard about
was how well everything was,
575
00:31:47,872 --> 00:31:49,582
and the next day, it all ends.
576
00:31:50,542 --> 00:31:53,503
This is the New York headquarters
of the Columbia Broadcasting System,
577
00:31:53,711 --> 00:31:56,005
America's biggest radio
and television network,
578
00:31:56,089 --> 00:31:58,091
and the country's
biggest record producer.
579
00:31:59,092 --> 00:32:02,178
Within 24 hours,
your dad's on the local news,
580
00:32:02,429 --> 00:32:04,139
the front page of the New York Times,
581
00:32:04,639 --> 00:32:05,849
and... and then home.
582
00:32:06,266 --> 00:32:08,184
Before he was fired, Davis was earning
583
00:32:08,268 --> 00:32:10,145
over 300,000 dollars a year,
584
00:32:10,228 --> 00:32:12,647
and was regarded as a genius
in the record industry.
585
00:32:13,565 --> 00:32:15,650
That was a shameful chapter
586
00:32:15,775 --> 00:32:17,861
in Columbia's history, in my opinion.
587
00:32:18,695 --> 00:32:21,739
It was like a public shaming over...
588
00:32:22,615 --> 00:32:23,615
...nothing.
589
00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:27,662
There was a sense in which
590
00:32:28,288 --> 00:32:29,706
Clive was being punished
591
00:32:29,789 --> 00:32:32,542
for, like, an industry
that kind of had gotten uppity.
592
00:32:32,625 --> 00:32:34,294
And there was an element
593
00:32:34,419 --> 00:32:36,921
of the media coverage that just assumed
594
00:32:37,172 --> 00:32:39,674
that everybody was guilty,
that it was all corrupt.
595
00:32:40,049 --> 00:32:43,761
And they had everything but evidence.
596
00:32:45,472 --> 00:32:48,600
For at least a two or three year
period of time,
597
00:32:48,766 --> 00:32:50,685
it was a witch hunt.
598
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:52,562
He was the big name.
599
00:32:52,645 --> 00:32:54,689
He was the face of the industry
at that point.
600
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:56,983
He became the person that--
601
00:32:57,233 --> 00:32:59,235
"Well, we got Clive Davis."
602
00:33:00,028 --> 00:33:02,322
And they didn't have Clive Davis.
603
00:33:03,072 --> 00:33:04,365
They came up with nothing.
604
00:33:04,824 --> 00:33:06,743
As Dave Marsh said,
605
00:33:06,826 --> 00:33:08,953
in a big Rolling Stone article,
606
00:33:09,287 --> 00:33:11,122
"What a bust."
607
00:33:11,706 --> 00:33:14,834
What industry could take this kind of
608
00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:19,464
intense laser beam investigation,
609
00:33:19,547 --> 00:33:23,426
and thorough research,
and come up so empty-handed?
610
00:33:24,511 --> 00:33:28,431
So the judge in this case,
his name was Thomas P. Griesa,
611
00:33:29,098 --> 00:33:31,768
an exact quote from his decision.
612
00:33:32,435 --> 00:33:34,562
"I have reviewed the press articles
613
00:33:34,646 --> 00:33:36,397
going back some three years,
614
00:33:36,773 --> 00:33:41,152
and they are appalling in the innuendo
and direct attempts
615
00:33:41,236 --> 00:33:43,279
to connect Mr. Davis
616
00:33:43,738 --> 00:33:46,783
with crimes with which
he never was indicted,
617
00:33:47,408 --> 00:33:50,787
and to say nothing
of never having been convicted.
618
00:33:51,704 --> 00:33:53,915
I have never had a case
619
00:33:54,415 --> 00:33:56,834
where this situation has existed,
620
00:33:57,252 --> 00:33:59,796
at least in anything like the degree
621
00:34:00,171 --> 00:34:01,965
which it exists here."
622
00:34:03,216 --> 00:34:05,426
You know, when you get the vindication,
623
00:34:05,510 --> 00:34:08,012
you really don't enjoy it fully,
624
00:34:08,096 --> 00:34:12,058
because that doesn't quite get
the headlines anything near...
625
00:34:13,226 --> 00:34:15,520
the headlines that the accusations,
626
00:34:15,603 --> 00:34:17,939
that the speculation got.
627
00:34:18,565 --> 00:34:21,484
And that hurt. And it still hurts.
628
00:34:21,943 --> 00:34:23,194
Clive ended up,
629
00:34:23,695 --> 00:34:26,072
I mean, pleading guilty to, like,
630
00:34:26,155 --> 00:34:27,740
a very minor charge about,
631
00:34:28,491 --> 00:34:30,535
you know, expenses on a vacation.
632
00:34:30,952 --> 00:34:32,829
It was like a couple of grand, I think.
633
00:34:33,746 --> 00:34:34,746
And... you know,
634
00:34:35,832 --> 00:34:37,292
that was the end of that.
635
00:34:37,458 --> 00:34:39,377
That's what all of that amounted to.
636
00:34:39,794 --> 00:34:42,297
It's a story that stayed with me.
637
00:34:43,798 --> 00:34:46,217
I mean, maybe more than almost
anything else in the book.
638
00:34:47,010 --> 00:34:51,180
But... because Clive pleaded guilty
639
00:34:51,431 --> 00:34:54,726
to, you know, this charge
about his expenses,
640
00:34:55,768 --> 00:34:59,314
um, there was a subsequent impact
which was,
641
00:34:59,397 --> 00:35:01,566
you know, he would have to apply
for the bar again.
642
00:35:02,442 --> 00:35:03,860
And, who cares?
643
00:35:04,110 --> 00:35:07,155
You know, Clive never had any interest
in practicing law again.
644
00:35:07,905 --> 00:35:09,741
He was, you know,
645
00:35:09,824 --> 00:35:12,493
just astonishingly successful
646
00:35:12,577 --> 00:35:14,621
as the president of a record company.
647
00:35:15,246 --> 00:35:18,791
But in the mid-'90s,
when I saw the numbers,
648
00:35:19,417 --> 00:35:23,338
and Clive was making tens
of millions of dollars every year,
649
00:35:24,380 --> 00:35:27,300
he would go home, every night,
and study for the bar exam.
650
00:35:28,301 --> 00:35:31,220
And then went
and took the test and passed it
651
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:33,598
and got his law license back.
652
00:35:34,515 --> 00:35:36,142
That's how much this meant to him.
653
00:35:36,768 --> 00:35:40,313
That, you know, 30 years later,
654
00:35:40,938 --> 00:35:44,317
it was still enough on his mind
for him to do something like that.
655
00:35:45,234 --> 00:35:46,694
Er... you know,
656
00:35:47,487 --> 00:35:49,447
I don't think he's
ever really gotten over it.
657
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:17,016
Even in the midst of the innuendo,
658
00:36:17,725 --> 00:36:20,478
I had gotten offers
from a number of people.
659
00:36:21,229 --> 00:36:24,899
Alan Hirschfield came along
with great enthusiasm,
660
00:36:25,024 --> 00:36:28,695
offering me a new company
that he would set up with me.
661
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:37,537
The term, "Arista," which is known
in the New York area where I live, er...
662
00:36:38,579 --> 00:36:41,582
was the name of a high school
honorary society of all high schools
663
00:36:41,666 --> 00:36:44,210
in the secondary
school area of New York.
664
00:36:44,919 --> 00:36:46,438
So I felt that it was
both personal and yet
665
00:36:46,462 --> 00:36:49,507
it was also synonymous
with something that was first class.
666
00:36:56,305 --> 00:36:59,225
Alan put in
ten million dollars in cash.
667
00:36:59,308 --> 00:37:01,561
And I could pick any artist
668
00:37:02,019 --> 00:37:03,730
from the previous company
669
00:37:03,813 --> 00:37:06,649
that Columbia Pictures
owned, Bell Records.
670
00:37:07,859 --> 00:37:09,902
In principle, kept two.
671
00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:13,948
They were not known.
672
00:37:14,031 --> 00:37:16,200
Each had one album out before.
673
00:37:16,743 --> 00:37:19,996
Neither was successful
with that first album.
674
00:37:21,748 --> 00:37:23,875
I had done an album, my first album,
675
00:37:23,958 --> 00:37:26,377
for Bell Records,
which sold five copies,
676
00:37:26,878 --> 00:37:30,423
when there was a knock
on my trailer door, and it was Clive.
677
00:37:30,757 --> 00:37:33,634
And he shook my hand and he said,
"Welcome to Arista Records."
678
00:37:33,968 --> 00:37:36,095
And it was the beginning
of a career for me
679
00:37:36,179 --> 00:37:38,055
that I never, ever imagined.
680
00:37:41,350 --> 00:37:43,519
But he said, "You need a hit single."
681
00:37:44,061 --> 00:37:47,940
And then, this messenger arrived
with a package from Clive.
682
00:37:48,149 --> 00:37:50,443
He said, "I think this might be it."
683
00:37:50,693 --> 00:37:52,236
And it was a song called "Brandy."
684
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,113
♪ Oh, Brandy ♪
685
00:37:54,197 --> 00:37:58,618
♪ Well, you came
And you gave without takin' ♪
686
00:37:59,786 --> 00:38:01,037
He was pretty shocked.
687
00:38:01,871 --> 00:38:03,748
"You mean, you think I should record...
688
00:38:05,082 --> 00:38:06,292
an outside song?"
689
00:38:06,375 --> 00:38:08,795
He said to me, "I'm a composer.
690
00:38:08,878 --> 00:38:13,090
Yes, I arrange, yes I sing,
yes I've done commercials, but--"
691
00:38:13,591 --> 00:38:17,512
I said, "You know, when you're
a pop artist, you need hits.
692
00:38:18,012 --> 00:38:20,389
And in going through your album,
693
00:38:20,890 --> 00:38:22,725
I don't think you've got a first single.
694
00:38:22,975 --> 00:38:25,603
I don't-- You need a first single."
695
00:38:25,686 --> 00:38:27,104
It was a pretty melody.
696
00:38:27,438 --> 00:38:30,125
Only I slowed it down, we slowed it
down, made it-- 'Cause it was like...
697
00:38:30,149 --> 00:38:33,110
- ♪ I remember all my life ♪
- Oh yeah.
698
00:38:33,194 --> 00:38:34,987
♪ Raining down as cold as ice ♪
699
00:38:35,071 --> 00:38:36,864
That's how the demo went, you know?
700
00:38:36,948 --> 00:38:38,199
And, it was very nice.
701
00:38:38,574 --> 00:38:42,745
But I--I suggested to him
at the recording session,
702
00:38:42,829 --> 00:38:44,288
"Now, why don't we do it like...
703
00:38:44,622 --> 00:38:46,707
...really easy, you know?"
704
00:38:47,291 --> 00:38:50,131
And he sat there. I remember him sitting
in the recording studio like...
705
00:38:51,295 --> 00:38:54,799
So ladies and gentlemen, the newest star
for America,
706
00:38:54,882 --> 00:38:56,884
Mr. Barry Manilow.
707
00:38:57,969 --> 00:38:59,887
♪ Oh, Mandy ♪
708
00:38:59,971 --> 00:39:04,016
♪ Well, you came
And you gave without takin' ♪
709
00:39:04,934 --> 00:39:06,811
♪ But I sent you away ♪
710
00:39:06,894 --> 00:39:08,479
♪ Oh, Mandy ♪
711
00:39:08,563 --> 00:39:11,357
It became the first record
out on Arista...
712
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,151
and it went straight to number one.
713
00:39:16,070 --> 00:39:18,823
You know, when you start a company,
from scratch, so to speak,
714
00:39:19,115 --> 00:39:21,826
with an artist such as Barry Manilow
who sells millions of albums,
715
00:39:21,951 --> 00:39:24,453
we have become in a
three-and-a-half year period of time,
716
00:39:24,537 --> 00:39:26,831
the sixth largest record company
in the United States.
717
00:39:27,081 --> 00:39:31,210
♪ Don't cry out loud ♪
718
00:39:31,711 --> 00:39:34,755
We've had gold albums
from Melissa Manchester and The Outlaws.
719
00:39:36,465 --> 00:39:39,302
We've had platinum albums
from Alan Parsons, with I Robot.
720
00:39:39,385 --> 00:39:42,763
♪ S-A-T-U-R-D-A-Y, night! ♪
721
00:39:42,847 --> 00:39:44,223
We have the Bay City Rollers.
722
00:39:45,516 --> 00:39:48,436
And I've attracted The Kinks,
Lou Reed, The Grateful Dead.
723
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:52,064
♪ Livin' in
A rock 'n' roll fantasy ♪
724
00:39:52,732 --> 00:39:55,985
Clive was the one suit
that we weren't distrustful of.
725
00:39:56,861 --> 00:39:59,155
He had a reputation for, you know,
726
00:39:59,238 --> 00:40:02,408
having the ear, you know?
The golden ear.
727
00:40:03,284 --> 00:40:05,202
♪ We used to play for acid ♪
728
00:40:05,286 --> 00:40:06,662
♪ Now we play for Clive ♪
729
00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:12,960
Clive came in there, and, I wouldn't
necessarily say it was overnight,
730
00:40:13,044 --> 00:40:15,922
but, in a very, very short
period of time, all of a sudden,
731
00:40:16,005 --> 00:40:19,008
Arista became
a very competitive label.
732
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,096
♪ All by myself ♪
733
00:40:25,389 --> 00:40:28,017
Using Columbia as a model,
734
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:32,355
I wanted Arista
to be in every area of music.
735
00:40:32,563 --> 00:40:34,315
♪ I said what's the word? ♪
736
00:40:35,024 --> 00:40:36,859
♪ Tell me brother
Have you heard ♪
737
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:39,278
♪ From Johannesburg? ♪
738
00:40:40,363 --> 00:40:42,031
There was Gil Scott-Heron,
739
00:40:42,114 --> 00:40:44,575
in a major sense, the first rapper.
740
00:40:45,368 --> 00:40:47,161
♪ The revolution
Will not be televised ♪
741
00:40:47,244 --> 00:40:49,455
♪ The revolution will not
Be brought to you by Xerox ♪
742
00:40:49,538 --> 00:40:51,666
♪ In four parts without
Commercial interruption ♪
743
00:40:52,625 --> 00:40:55,753
And he represented, you know,
that part
744
00:40:56,420 --> 00:40:59,674
of New York
that I associate Arista with.
745
00:40:59,757 --> 00:41:02,468
We were a New York label.
746
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,846
We were so much in the forefront,
747
00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:09,433
of the hip, happening cultural explosion
748
00:41:09,642 --> 00:41:11,727
that was taking place in New York.
749
00:41:12,186 --> 00:41:16,399
We had the only Saturday Night Live
comedy album.
750
00:41:17,274 --> 00:41:18,818
If Lily Tomlin was doing
751
00:41:18,901 --> 00:41:20,736
her heralded Broadway Show,
752
00:41:21,237 --> 00:41:22,571
we recorded it.
753
00:41:23,406 --> 00:41:27,368
So we were very much
in the center of New York life.
754
00:41:31,789 --> 00:41:36,210
You know, someone like me,
who is so irreverent, unskilled,
755
00:41:36,669 --> 00:41:39,630
and, you know,
quite the diamond in the rough,
756
00:41:39,964 --> 00:41:42,425
might seem like
an odd choice for Clive.
757
00:41:43,134 --> 00:41:45,261
But I've learned through the years
758
00:41:45,344 --> 00:41:49,098
that Clive really
has a weakness for artists.
759
00:41:50,057 --> 00:41:53,310
♪ Jesus died ♪
760
00:41:53,394 --> 00:41:56,105
♪ For somebody's sins ♪
761
00:41:56,272 --> 00:41:59,150
♪ But not mine ♪
762
00:42:00,568 --> 00:42:03,112
She became my favorite.
What can I say?
763
00:42:04,030 --> 00:42:07,992
You can see
the spit coming down and some--
764
00:42:08,075 --> 00:42:10,703
I don't mean to paint
an unflattering image, but--
765
00:42:10,786 --> 00:42:13,622
you're dealing with
the real thing. No artifice here.
766
00:42:13,706 --> 00:42:15,958
No, "Is my make-up
in the right place?"
767
00:42:16,625 --> 00:42:20,379
She was there, tearing your heart out,
stimulating your mind.
768
00:42:20,463 --> 00:42:24,175
♪ Because the night
Belongs to lovers ♪
769
00:42:24,258 --> 00:42:28,054
♪ Because the night
Belongs to lust ♪
770
00:42:28,429 --> 00:42:31,474
"Because the Night" was my
first record I ever produced.
771
00:42:32,266 --> 00:42:36,228
Clive is very cool with Patti.
He let her do her thing.
772
00:42:36,312 --> 00:42:38,457
See, that's very important to know.
'Cause a lot of people say
773
00:42:38,481 --> 00:42:40,733
he controls a lot. But Patti,
774
00:42:40,983 --> 00:42:43,778
and artists like that, he just lets
them do their thing.
775
00:42:45,237 --> 00:42:47,531
Clive knows
there're two types of artists:
776
00:42:47,615 --> 00:42:49,551
There's the self-contained artist,
and there's the artist
777
00:42:49,575 --> 00:42:51,702
that you have to actually
A&R the project.
778
00:42:51,952 --> 00:42:54,663
I say Clive and Berry Gordy
are up there
779
00:42:54,747 --> 00:42:57,541
as the top two
A&Rs of all time history.
780
00:42:58,501 --> 00:43:02,129
It's difficult,
in the rock area, to say,
781
00:43:02,213 --> 00:43:06,801
"Oh, I'm gonna sign an artist
that is gonna explode."
782
00:43:07,301 --> 00:43:10,638
So I began for the first time,
783
00:43:10,721 --> 00:43:14,308
really meeting and
beginning relationships
784
00:43:14,642 --> 00:43:18,729
with what we call music publishers
who sign writers.
785
00:43:19,313 --> 00:43:21,816
And you play
786
00:43:22,191 --> 00:43:24,193
the material of the artist
787
00:43:24,276 --> 00:43:27,029
and you say, "I need hit songs."
788
00:43:27,238 --> 00:43:29,824
Artists always have
their own album cuts.
789
00:43:30,282 --> 00:43:32,785
I need hit songs.
790
00:43:32,952 --> 00:43:36,539
We do the full chorus similar
to the first time it appears,
791
00:43:36,622 --> 00:43:38,999
- Okay.
- ...rather than what it was the second.
792
00:43:39,083 --> 00:43:42,128
And that's it. And I think it's another
great Jim Steinman song.
793
00:43:42,878 --> 00:43:46,549
Clive was A&R, which
stands for "artist and repertoire."
794
00:43:46,841 --> 00:43:50,052
He would take an artist,
and take a song,
795
00:43:50,219 --> 00:43:52,179
and say, "You should do this song."
796
00:43:52,263 --> 00:43:55,141
I mean, that's what happened
when he went to Arista.
797
00:43:55,724 --> 00:44:01,772
♪ I write the songs
that make the whole world sing ♪
798
00:44:02,481 --> 00:44:05,317
Every song he submitted to me
has been right on the money.
799
00:44:05,693 --> 00:44:08,988
He showed me "I Write the Songs"
and he showed me "Looks Like We Made It"
800
00:44:09,238 --> 00:44:12,032
and "Weekend in New England"
and this newest one
801
00:44:12,116 --> 00:44:14,344
"Can't Smile Without You."
And every time he submits one,
802
00:44:14,368 --> 00:44:16,221
I say, "I don't think
that's a good song at all.
803
00:44:16,245 --> 00:44:18,122
I think you're crazy."
And he's always right.
804
00:44:18,664 --> 00:44:25,171
♪ You know
I can't smile without you ♪
805
00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:28,007
Clive comes from his heart.
806
00:44:28,591 --> 00:44:31,135
Every time Clive said,
"This is a hit record,"
807
00:44:31,218 --> 00:44:33,929
it moved him and that's what happened
to the audiences.
808
00:44:34,180 --> 00:44:36,390
If I got it right, it moved you.
809
00:44:36,473 --> 00:44:41,729
♪ When will our eyes meet? ♪
810
00:44:42,855 --> 00:44:45,691
♪ When can I touch you? ♪
811
00:44:46,233 --> 00:44:48,611
As much as his gratitude was,
812
00:44:48,694 --> 00:44:51,822
for the fact that every song
I was submitting
813
00:44:51,906 --> 00:44:55,826
turned out to be a big hit
and a signature copyright...
814
00:44:56,744 --> 00:45:00,873
there was some element of it
which bothered him.
815
00:45:01,123 --> 00:45:04,001
And he very candidly looked at me,
816
00:45:04,835 --> 00:45:07,880
and he said, "Clive,
I love what you're doing,
817
00:45:08,339 --> 00:45:10,758
but it's so different from my dream.
818
00:45:11,508 --> 00:45:14,261
My dream, all my life,
I was a composer.
819
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:18,682
My dream, all my life,
is I'm an arranger. I'm a musician.
820
00:45:20,351 --> 00:45:23,312
And you have turned me
into Andy Williams."
821
00:45:23,437 --> 00:45:28,275
And I said, "Pop artists need
a continuity of hits.
822
00:45:28,359 --> 00:45:30,986
Otherwise the public, if they don't
hear you on the radio,
823
00:45:31,153 --> 00:45:34,531
they don't know that you're out
with a new release."
824
00:45:34,865 --> 00:45:38,285
So we both had the satisfaction,
because from the songs,
825
00:45:38,702 --> 00:45:42,581
Barry had been inducted into
the Songwriters Hall of Fame.
826
00:45:42,665 --> 00:45:46,377
And the very next year,
he asked me to present him
827
00:45:46,669 --> 00:45:49,505
with the music society's biggest award,
828
00:45:49,672 --> 00:45:51,382
and that is the Ella Award.
829
00:45:51,465 --> 00:45:54,802
It goes to the great singers,
like Sinatra,
830
00:45:55,302 --> 00:45:56,804
like Tony Bennett,
831
00:45:57,137 --> 00:45:58,430
like Johnny Mathis.
832
00:45:58,639 --> 00:45:59,890
So that sums up,
833
00:46:00,391 --> 00:46:03,519
you know, where he can have
his satisfaction as a writer.
834
00:46:04,269 --> 00:46:06,438
And I can have my satisfaction
835
00:46:06,522 --> 00:46:10,234
of always viewing him as
a great interpretive performer.
836
00:46:10,317 --> 00:46:15,155
And that's why he sells out
stadiums to this very day,
837
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:16,490
all over the world.
838
00:46:16,824 --> 00:46:21,078
♪ I've been up, down ♪
839
00:46:21,161 --> 00:46:25,290
♪ Trying to get
The feeling again ♪
840
00:46:25,374 --> 00:46:31,463
He would give me two songs on each album,
because I built up so many songs...
841
00:46:33,173 --> 00:46:35,384
with his quota of two an album...
842
00:46:36,677 --> 00:46:39,596
that I had a backlog.
843
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:40,931
I had all these songs.
844
00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:44,393
I should be able to launch
another career.
845
00:46:44,476 --> 00:46:48,605
And I couldn't do it with another male,
so I had to look for a female.
846
00:46:51,150 --> 00:46:55,696
What great voice
was not recording these days?
847
00:46:56,488 --> 00:46:58,949
But should be recording these days?
848
00:47:00,909 --> 00:47:04,913
♪ I know I'll never ♪
849
00:47:04,997 --> 00:47:07,750
♪ Love this way again ♪
850
00:47:08,876 --> 00:47:11,003
I happened to be doing a TV show
851
00:47:11,086 --> 00:47:14,048
that he also was doing,
The Dinah Shore Show.
852
00:47:14,131 --> 00:47:16,508
And he asked was I recording.
853
00:47:16,592 --> 00:47:19,178
And I said, "Uh, you know, I think I...
854
00:47:19,261 --> 00:47:23,223
I've probably had it with recording
at this point in time."
855
00:47:23,307 --> 00:47:25,893
And he says, "Well, let me tell you
one thing, young lady."
856
00:47:25,976 --> 00:47:27,519
He said it just like that.
857
00:47:27,603 --> 00:47:30,773
He said, "You may be ready
to give the industry up,
858
00:47:30,856 --> 00:47:32,691
but the industry is not ready
to give you up."
859
00:47:32,775 --> 00:47:34,443
♪ Deja vu ♪
860
00:47:36,653 --> 00:47:40,282
♪ Could you be the dream that
I once knew ♪
861
00:47:40,365 --> 00:47:42,701
And so I signed her, this past year.
862
00:47:42,785 --> 00:47:46,330
She gave us her first album.
We find that now it's platinum.
863
00:47:46,413 --> 00:47:51,043
♪ Why do you have to be
A heartbreaker? ♪
864
00:47:51,668 --> 00:47:53,504
Because of Clive's expertise in matching
865
00:47:53,587 --> 00:47:57,424
great songs with great artists,
he has that rare ability
866
00:47:57,508 --> 00:48:00,427
to take great, extraordinary artists,
867
00:48:00,511 --> 00:48:05,390
whose careers may have languished
for one reason or another,
868
00:48:05,474 --> 00:48:08,060
and just bring them back
stronger than ever.
869
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:09,895
Hello.
870
00:48:09,978 --> 00:48:14,358
The Dionne success led
to a relationship with Aretha Franklin.
871
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,611
She was no longer working
with Jerry Wexler,
872
00:48:17,694 --> 00:48:20,280
and her recent records had not made it.
873
00:48:22,241 --> 00:48:24,409
She called me, and we met.
874
00:48:25,369 --> 00:48:29,081
He came out to Los Angeles,
mmm-hmm, in '79.
875
00:48:29,164 --> 00:48:31,208
To my home out in Encino.
876
00:48:31,291 --> 00:48:35,337
He had the reputation of one of
the great record men at that time.
877
00:48:36,004 --> 00:48:40,551
And of course,
now the greatest record man of all time.
878
00:48:40,634 --> 00:48:46,306
♪ We goin' riding on the freeway of love
Wind's against our backs ♪
879
00:48:47,224 --> 00:48:49,726
Because she was already
a national treasure
880
00:48:49,810 --> 00:48:52,104
by the time she and I met,
881
00:48:52,187 --> 00:48:55,149
my job was to come up with those songs
882
00:48:55,232 --> 00:48:59,820
where she can show what she does
like nobody else can do.
883
00:48:59,903 --> 00:49:02,156
- ♪ Knew you were waiting ♪
- ♪ I did ♪
884
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,117
♪ Knew you were waiting
For me, yeah ♪
885
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,411
♪ I didn't falter ♪
886
00:49:07,494 --> 00:49:09,329
♪ Oh, yeah ♪
887
00:49:09,955 --> 00:49:13,375
I really felt appreciated, genuinely,
888
00:49:14,168 --> 00:49:16,628
and I said,
"This is who I'm gonna sign with."
889
00:49:17,129 --> 00:49:21,216
♪ Sisters are doin' it
For themselves ♪
890
00:49:23,802 --> 00:49:29,933
And 40 years later, no, 20 years later,
I said, "You made the right decision.
891
00:49:30,017 --> 00:49:31,727
You made the right decision."
892
00:49:31,810 --> 00:49:34,104
♪ I'm all out of love ♪
893
00:49:34,188 --> 00:49:36,148
♪ I'm so lost without you ♪
894
00:49:36,231 --> 00:49:38,150
He feels what's gonna be popular.
895
00:49:38,233 --> 00:49:40,652
♪ Believing for so long ♪
896
00:49:40,736 --> 00:49:42,946
♪ Come dancin' ♪
897
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:46,658
Whether it's an artist,
a song, a record, an arrangement.
898
00:49:46,742 --> 00:49:49,077
♪ ...not come dancin'? ♪
899
00:49:49,161 --> 00:49:51,121
♪ It's only natural ♪
900
00:49:51,205 --> 00:49:53,165
He just says, "That one!"
901
00:49:53,248 --> 00:49:56,084
Kenny G.
Who would have ever thought
902
00:49:56,168 --> 00:49:59,171
that a solo sax player
would be so successful?
903
00:49:59,254 --> 00:50:02,341
But that's Clive.
He just says, "That one!"
904
00:50:06,386 --> 00:50:08,347
All day long. That's all I do.
905
00:50:14,019 --> 00:50:16,980
I started off playing
with a band called Jeff Lorber Fusion.
906
00:50:17,064 --> 00:50:18,899
So,
that's how I got introduced to Clive.
907
00:50:19,775 --> 00:50:21,693
Five years later is when he said,
908
00:50:21,777 --> 00:50:24,321
"Do you think Kenny would want
to make his own solo records?"
909
00:50:24,404 --> 00:50:28,158
Got Kenny G's albums,
including the brand new album, Gravity.
910
00:50:30,035 --> 00:50:33,664
He might not have been
the greatest jazz saxophone player,
911
00:50:34,456 --> 00:50:38,252
but those pop melodies,
those notes that he hit,
912
00:50:39,211 --> 00:50:42,089
the looks that he had,
he could be a star.
913
00:50:50,264 --> 00:50:52,724
But these were the days
when there was no radio stations
914
00:50:52,808 --> 00:50:54,893
playing instrumental music.
There wasn't any.
915
00:50:56,186 --> 00:50:58,355
Clive Davis,
this is where he really stepped in.
916
00:50:58,438 --> 00:51:00,190
He starts writing hand-written letters
917
00:51:00,274 --> 00:51:02,359
to the radio programmers
around the country
918
00:51:02,442 --> 00:51:04,528
to play "Songbird" on pop radio.
919
00:51:05,904 --> 00:51:07,990
And that's what really
started my career.
920
00:51:10,242 --> 00:51:13,578
I mean, you know, 60,
70 million albums later,
921
00:51:13,662 --> 00:51:17,457
he's by far the biggest-selling
instrumentalist of all time.
922
00:51:19,876 --> 00:51:22,587
Okay,
so we sold five million on Duotones,
923
00:51:22,671 --> 00:51:24,256
five million on Silhouette.
924
00:51:24,339 --> 00:51:26,842
Then the live record came out,
that sold four or five million.
925
00:51:26,925 --> 00:51:29,011
Now Breathless comes out,
that sells 12 million.
926
00:51:29,094 --> 00:51:31,555
Clive says, "Maybe you
should do a Christmas record."
927
00:51:31,638 --> 00:51:34,391
I said, "Clive, I'm Jewish. Come on."
928
00:51:34,474 --> 00:51:37,686
He goes, "Okay, Irving Berlin wrote
White Christmas.
929
00:51:37,769 --> 00:51:40,856
Jewish. I'm Jewish.
Do a Christmas record."
930
00:51:53,827 --> 00:51:56,538
So I do this 11-song Christmas record.
931
00:51:57,539 --> 00:52:00,667
Clive goes, "Needs a vocal.
Not just an instrumental."
932
00:52:00,751 --> 00:52:03,396
I said, "Clive, that's the whole point.
I want it to be an instrumental
933
00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:06,465
so that it plays from the beginning
to the end with one theme."
934
00:52:07,883 --> 00:52:10,635
He goes, "Okay. Here's the thing.
As your..."
935
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,971
He would call himself,
this is his words,
936
00:52:13,055 --> 00:52:15,015
"I'm your friendly provocateur.
937
00:52:15,891 --> 00:52:17,267
But it's your career.
938
00:52:17,351 --> 00:52:21,563
In my opinion, you do this,
it's a serious career mistake.
939
00:52:21,646 --> 00:52:25,692
But it's your career." That's how
he would always do it, he says,
940
00:52:25,776 --> 00:52:28,236
"You're gonna blow your whole career,
but it's your decision."
941
00:52:29,696 --> 00:52:32,240
He goes, "All right. Put it out."
942
00:52:32,324 --> 00:52:36,161
And it SoundScan's the number one
Christmas record in the history of music.
943
00:52:37,496 --> 00:52:39,623
So I said, "Clive, can I just
say something to you?"
944
00:52:39,706 --> 00:52:41,017
And he goes, "Of course, you're family."
945
00:52:41,041 --> 00:52:43,668
I said,
"Clive, can you look at me now and say
946
00:52:43,752 --> 00:52:46,088
that I was right
about the Christmas record?"
947
00:52:46,171 --> 00:52:49,007
He goes, "No, it would have sold
a lot more if you had listened to me."
948
00:52:52,302 --> 00:52:55,022
- What do you look for in an artist?
- Well you look for originality.
949
00:52:55,097 --> 00:52:56,741
You never know
where you're gonna find them, really.
950
00:52:56,765 --> 00:53:00,602
But, when you see them, when
they have that spark of originality,
951
00:53:00,685 --> 00:53:02,521
when they have that spark of,
952
00:53:02,604 --> 00:53:06,274
uh, whether it be as a performer,
or whether it be as a writer,
953
00:53:06,358 --> 00:53:10,195
uh, you just know you're in the presence
of somebody special.
954
00:53:10,278 --> 00:53:13,865
- She's how old? 19?
- This girl is 19-years-old.
955
00:53:13,949 --> 00:53:16,535
She also happens to be a model.
956
00:53:16,618 --> 00:53:20,956
Yes, she is. She's a beautiful girl.
And, her poise doesn't hurt.
957
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:23,250
Uh, but it's her natural charm.
958
00:53:23,333 --> 00:53:25,919
I mean, you either got it
or you don't have it.
959
00:53:26,002 --> 00:53:28,171
- She's got it.
- She got it. Wait till you hear her.
960
00:53:28,463 --> 00:53:29,923
Here's Whitney Houston.
961
00:53:39,850 --> 00:53:42,853
♪ When I think of home ♪
962
00:53:44,312 --> 00:53:46,565
♪ I think of a place ♪
963
00:53:48,650 --> 00:53:52,571
♪ Where there's love overflowing ♪
964
00:53:55,365 --> 00:53:59,911
Jerry Griffith, an A&R man
that worked for me at Arista,
965
00:53:59,995 --> 00:54:03,415
told me that he had seen
a young female performer
966
00:54:03,498 --> 00:54:05,000
that he thought was very special.
967
00:54:06,126 --> 00:54:08,462
I started singing professionally at 12,
968
00:54:08,545 --> 00:54:11,173
with my mom doing background sessions,
here in the city,
969
00:54:11,256 --> 00:54:13,376
and then eventually singing with her
in the nightclub.
970
00:54:13,425 --> 00:54:14,885
And that kind of thing.
971
00:54:17,888 --> 00:54:21,808
So I went down to a club
called Sweetwater's to see her.
972
00:54:24,269 --> 00:54:25,645
And I was floored.
973
00:54:26,521 --> 00:54:29,774
One of her songs was
"The Greatest Love of All."
974
00:54:29,858 --> 00:54:32,194
She found more meaning in this song
975
00:54:32,277 --> 00:54:34,863
than I believe
that the composers knew were there.
976
00:54:35,614 --> 00:54:41,077
♪ Makes it all so clean ♪
977
00:54:41,161 --> 00:54:44,706
My mother always told me
to know what I was singing about,
978
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:47,792
and to be able to feel everything
that you're singing,
979
00:54:47,876 --> 00:54:49,544
or it would never come across.
980
00:54:50,587 --> 00:54:52,631
I knew that there was competition,
981
00:54:52,714 --> 00:54:56,301
that there were one or two labels
that were very interested.
982
00:54:56,384 --> 00:55:02,224
But I definitely got the feeling that
this was a special audition for them.
983
00:55:03,975 --> 00:55:06,645
A few people
were also interested in Whitney,
984
00:55:06,728 --> 00:55:10,649
but Cissy felt that Whitney
would be in better care with Clive.
985
00:55:10,732 --> 00:55:13,860
And that's where the connection started,
right there at Sweetwater's.
986
00:55:13,944 --> 00:55:17,739
♪ And I've learned
That we must ♪
987
00:55:17,822 --> 00:55:22,244
♪ Look inside our hearts ♪
988
00:55:22,327 --> 00:55:25,497
♪ To find ♪
989
00:55:25,580 --> 00:55:27,832
♪ Yeah, we gotta find ♪
990
00:55:29,501 --> 00:55:33,338
♪ A world of love ♪
991
00:55:34,965 --> 00:55:39,844
♪ Like yours, like mine ♪
992
00:55:42,347 --> 00:55:46,560
♪ Like home ♪
993
00:55:49,729 --> 00:55:52,816
♪ Home ♪
994
00:56:03,368 --> 00:56:06,538
You won't forget that name,
Whitney Houston.
995
00:56:13,837 --> 00:56:17,591
I first met Clive in 1984.
996
00:56:17,674 --> 00:56:18,883
Hello there.
997
00:56:18,967 --> 00:56:20,510
We would meet in the office.
998
00:56:20,594 --> 00:56:23,513
And he would always be behind his desk,
playing music.
999
00:56:26,433 --> 00:56:30,478
That was the period where he was
just launching Whitney.
1000
00:56:30,562 --> 00:56:32,689
And he was very excited about it.
1001
00:56:34,774 --> 00:56:38,278
♪ There's a boy I know ♪
1002
00:56:38,361 --> 00:56:40,864
♪ He's the one I dream of ♪
1003
00:56:41,906 --> 00:56:44,117
After Merv Griffin,
1004
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,953
we had really good buzz,
really good word-of-mouth.
1005
00:56:47,787 --> 00:56:50,790
But I know that it's material
that's so key.
1006
00:56:52,042 --> 00:56:56,963
So, I held a New York showcase
and I held a Los Angeles showcase,
1007
00:56:57,047 --> 00:57:01,509
and invited the most successful
songwriters in the business.
1008
00:57:02,218 --> 00:57:03,928
The gathering was a Davis innovation
1009
00:57:04,012 --> 00:57:07,307
to introduce one of his newest singers,
Whitney Houston.
1010
00:57:07,766 --> 00:57:11,436
♪ How will I know
If he really loves me? ♪
1011
00:57:12,103 --> 00:57:15,440
And from that process,
they would submit
1012
00:57:15,523 --> 00:57:19,027
their best, top-drawer,
first-rate material to us.
1013
00:57:19,778 --> 00:57:22,447
I remember Clive calling me
and telling me to come to his office.
1014
00:57:22,530 --> 00:57:25,784
That he needed to see me
and he needed to play some music for me.
1015
00:57:27,035 --> 00:57:29,715
Well, in my mind I was like,
"Why don't you just send me the tapes?"
1016
00:57:29,746 --> 00:57:32,499
"No. No.
1017
00:57:32,582 --> 00:57:34,626
No, I have to be here with you.
1018
00:57:34,709 --> 00:57:37,921
I have to feel you.
And you have to feel me."
1019
00:57:38,004 --> 00:57:39,005
That was my first lesson.
1020
00:57:39,089 --> 00:57:42,217
♪ How will I know? ♪
1021
00:57:42,759 --> 00:57:44,386
♪ How will I know? ♪
1022
00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:48,890
♪ How will I know? ♪
1023
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,771
This demo
that I'm gonna play for you...
1024
00:57:54,854 --> 00:57:59,401
this, at the time, could have been done
by Olivia Newton-John.
1025
00:57:59,734 --> 00:58:03,113
It would've been somewhat surface,
like pop.
1026
00:58:03,780 --> 00:58:05,365
Probably a hit record.
1027
00:58:05,448 --> 00:58:07,993
But I knew and heard in my head...
1028
00:58:09,327 --> 00:58:11,037
that with a stronger beat...
1029
00:58:12,622 --> 00:58:16,418
that the way that Whitney,
with her vocal genius,
1030
00:58:16,501 --> 00:58:18,712
it won't be
"I wanna dance with somebody,"
1031
00:58:18,795 --> 00:58:22,048
it'll sound like,
"I wanna go to bed with somebody."
1032
00:58:22,132 --> 00:58:24,092
It's gonna have far more heat.
1033
00:58:24,175 --> 00:58:27,512
It's gonna have far more sensuality.
1034
00:58:27,595 --> 00:58:31,891
And it's not gonna be
this very pop-ish record,
1035
00:58:31,975 --> 00:58:34,394
'cause we're gonna give it
a tougher bottom.
1036
00:58:34,477 --> 00:58:37,313
So this is the way the demo sounded.
1037
00:58:38,606 --> 00:58:41,693
♪ I've done all right up 'til now ♪
1038
00:58:41,776 --> 00:58:45,947
♪ It's the light of day
That shows me how ♪
1039
00:58:46,031 --> 00:58:49,367
♪ And when the night falls ♪
1040
00:58:49,451 --> 00:58:52,162
♪ Loneliness calls ♪
1041
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:56,207
♪ Oh, I wanna dance with somebody ♪
1042
00:58:57,500 --> 00:59:00,837
♪ I wanna feel the heat with somebody ♪
1043
00:59:04,132 --> 00:59:07,093
So, you don't feel the heat
with somebody.
1044
00:59:07,177 --> 00:59:10,305
But you do feel,
"I Wanna Dance With Somebody."
1045
00:59:10,388 --> 00:59:13,099
Somewhat surface, like very accessible.
1046
00:59:13,183 --> 00:59:16,019
Very pop-y in nature.
1047
00:59:16,102 --> 00:59:19,230
No question,
Olivia would have had a hit with it.
1048
00:59:20,899 --> 00:59:22,358
But Whitney...
1049
00:59:23,651 --> 00:59:26,071
had to get it played
on R&B stations.
1050
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:28,239
Urban stations.
1051
00:59:29,574 --> 00:59:32,410
♪ Oh, I wanna dance with somebody ♪
1052
00:59:33,745 --> 00:59:36,790
♪ I wanna feel the heat with somebody ♪
1053
00:59:36,873 --> 00:59:39,459
She broke every format.
1054
00:59:39,542 --> 00:59:43,797
Top 40, Adult Contemporary,
Urban R&B.
1055
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,091
She conquered everywhere she went.
1056
00:59:46,174 --> 00:59:49,594
♪ I get so emotional, baby ♪
1057
00:59:49,677 --> 00:59:53,598
♪ Every time I think of you ♪
1058
00:59:53,681 --> 01:00:00,271
I mean, this album ended up
selling 22 million copies.
1059
01:00:00,355 --> 01:00:05,318
Followed by the second album,
that sold 23 million copies.
1060
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:08,988
She had seven consecutive
number one singles.
1061
01:00:09,072 --> 01:00:11,407
It, uh, tied The Beatles' record.
1062
01:00:12,117 --> 01:00:15,995
And needless to say,
we were up all night doing tequila shots
1063
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:17,831
after the seventh one went number one.
1064
01:00:17,914 --> 01:00:20,875
♪ I get so emotional, baby ♪
1065
01:00:20,959 --> 01:00:23,336
And the Grammy goes to, Whitney Houston.
1066
01:00:25,505 --> 01:00:28,383
I would say often,
"Are you pinching yourself?"
1067
01:00:29,259 --> 01:00:33,847
She'd just look at me and she said,
"I'm pinching myself." She knew.
1068
01:00:37,016 --> 01:00:40,895
1987 was a real breakthrough year for us.
It was the "Dance With Somebody" year.
1069
01:00:40,979 --> 01:00:43,356
And then you had Aretha
and Dionne Warwick,
1070
01:00:43,439 --> 01:00:45,567
Grateful Dead with "Touch of Grey"
came in that year.
1071
01:00:46,442 --> 01:00:48,486
♪ Must be getting early ♪
1072
01:00:49,445 --> 01:00:51,072
♪ Clocks are running late ♪
1073
01:00:51,698 --> 01:00:54,576
We were impossible
to get a decent record out of.
1074
01:00:55,201 --> 01:00:56,762
There was always fighting and bickering,
1075
01:00:56,786 --> 01:00:59,080
and guys coming to the sessions
drunk or whatever.
1076
01:01:00,498 --> 01:01:03,001
But Clive was determined to be the guy
1077
01:01:03,084 --> 01:01:06,171
who brought some commercial success
to the Grateful Dead.
1078
01:01:07,547 --> 01:01:08,965
During that whole period of time,
1079
01:01:09,048 --> 01:01:10,800
we had an incredible run.
1080
01:01:10,884 --> 01:01:13,553
♪ I will get by ♪
1081
01:01:13,636 --> 01:01:16,723
We gave the Grateful Dead
their first and only top ten hit.
1082
01:01:17,724 --> 01:01:20,435
We had incredible success
with "Ghostbusters."
1083
01:01:20,518 --> 01:01:21,769
♪ Who you gonna call? ♪
1084
01:01:21,853 --> 01:01:23,062
♪ Ghostbusters! ♪
1085
01:01:24,522 --> 01:01:26,002
We had "That's What Friends Are For."
1086
01:01:26,232 --> 01:01:28,359
♪ Keep smilin' ♪
1087
01:01:28,443 --> 01:01:29,611
♪ Keep shining ♪
1088
01:01:29,694 --> 01:01:31,404
♪ Knowing you can... ♪
1089
01:01:31,487 --> 01:01:34,574
The result was an
A-number-one smash hit,
1090
01:01:34,657 --> 01:01:37,744
and nearly $2,000,000
was raised for the cause.
1091
01:01:37,827 --> 01:01:40,747
♪ That's what friends are for ♪
1092
01:01:41,915 --> 01:01:43,791
Um,
there's also the Milli Vanilli story.
1093
01:01:43,875 --> 01:01:45,251
I was there.
1094
01:01:48,546 --> 01:01:51,174
More embarrassment today
for the pop group, Milli Vanilli.
1095
01:01:51,507 --> 01:01:53,843
It was revealed
they never sang on their album.
1096
01:01:54,219 --> 01:01:55,887
♪ Girl, you know it's true ♪
1097
01:01:58,973 --> 01:02:00,475
We don't understand that it's us,
1098
01:02:01,142 --> 01:02:02,894
the two little guys from Germany.
1099
01:02:04,354 --> 01:02:06,940
They recorded the album in Germany.
1100
01:02:07,023 --> 01:02:12,612
So I didn't meet Milli Vanilli
until the album was double platinum.
1101
01:02:14,072 --> 01:02:20,662
And indeed for the 15th anniversary
show, we put them on Radio City.
1102
01:02:21,913 --> 01:02:25,208
Here are Grammy Award winners
for Best New Artist, Milli Vanilli.
1103
01:02:32,048 --> 01:02:33,549
We had no inkling.
1104
01:02:33,633 --> 01:02:35,051
I want to make it very clear
1105
01:02:35,134 --> 01:02:38,721
there was no one that knew
at our record company in America.
1106
01:02:39,722 --> 01:02:42,392
One of the biggest hits I ever had
with Clive is a song called
1107
01:02:42,475 --> 01:02:45,520
"Blame it On the Rain" by Milli Vanilli.
And I love Milli Vanilli.
1108
01:02:45,603 --> 01:02:48,398
I don't care if they didn't sing
or whatever. That album was so great.
1109
01:02:48,481 --> 01:02:50,942
It's one of the best pop albums,
like, ever.
1110
01:02:51,025 --> 01:02:52,860
♪ Blame it on the rain ♪
1111
01:02:52,944 --> 01:02:55,655
♪ That was fallin, fallin' ♪
1112
01:02:55,738 --> 01:02:57,448
He took that to them and it became,
1113
01:02:57,532 --> 01:02:59,158
I think, the biggest hit
off that album.
1114
01:02:59,951 --> 01:03:00,951
Whoever sang it.
1115
01:03:01,286 --> 01:03:05,373
♪ Why? ♪
1116
01:03:08,543 --> 01:03:11,004
Her batting percentage was incredible.
1117
01:03:11,879 --> 01:03:14,424
♪ This is the book I never read ♪
1118
01:03:14,507 --> 01:03:17,510
♪ These are the words I never said ♪
1119
01:03:17,593 --> 01:03:21,681
We did not take a million artists on.
To be fair to them.
1120
01:03:22,223 --> 01:03:26,311
♪ I know nothing stays the same ♪
1121
01:03:26,394 --> 01:03:29,689
♪ But if you're willing
to play the game ♪
1122
01:03:29,772 --> 01:03:33,860
♪ It will be coming around again ♪
1123
01:03:33,943 --> 01:03:37,488
We were either number one or number two
during that whole period of time.
1124
01:03:37,572 --> 01:03:39,449
♪ I saw the sign ♪
1125
01:03:39,532 --> 01:03:43,119
♪ And it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign ♪
1126
01:03:43,202 --> 01:03:46,706
We were smaller than these big,
gigantic, monolithic record companies,
1127
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:49,959
but we were agile
and we fought hard and we won.
1128
01:03:53,546 --> 01:03:56,215
Do you have artists that are
good musically, good songwriters,
1129
01:03:56,299 --> 01:03:59,635
and excellent performers,
that never make it and you wonder why.
1130
01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:02,430
Sure. Every artist that I've signed
that hasn't made it.
1131
01:04:05,892 --> 01:04:09,604
There were acts that I believed
would break, and never did.
1132
01:04:10,730 --> 01:04:14,442
I remember being so proud
to introduce The Alpha Band.
1133
01:04:15,568 --> 01:04:18,571
One of the lead members
was T Bone Burnett.
1134
01:04:18,654 --> 01:04:21,407
He was flanked by
this electric violinist,
1135
01:04:21,491 --> 01:04:24,786
who would go out into the audience
and cause a sensation.
1136
01:04:25,620 --> 01:04:29,582
But, as in baseball,
not every swing leads to a hit.
1137
01:04:31,209 --> 01:04:34,379
In the case of the Funky Kings,
it was Jack Tempchin,
1138
01:04:34,462 --> 01:04:37,423
who had written several songs
for the Eagles.
1139
01:04:38,216 --> 01:04:41,969
But, ultimately, he was not
able to write for the new group.
1140
01:04:43,971 --> 01:04:45,181
There's gotta be misses.
1141
01:04:45,765 --> 01:04:46,849
I didn't sign Meat Loaf.
1142
01:04:47,392 --> 01:04:49,936
He was an unlikely figure, visually.
1143
01:04:50,019 --> 01:04:51,312
So I passed.
1144
01:04:51,396 --> 01:04:56,442
And John Cougar Mellencamp
was too close to Bruce Springsteen.
1145
01:04:56,526 --> 01:05:00,029
And I had signed,
what I felt to be, the real deal.
1146
01:05:00,613 --> 01:05:02,573
And of course he was to become
1147
01:05:02,657 --> 01:05:06,035
one of the great original
American rock 'n' roll artists ever.
1148
01:05:06,119 --> 01:05:08,162
So I thought, "Okay, you got me."
1149
01:05:08,496 --> 01:05:11,916
♪ I'm just playin' a part ♪
1150
01:05:11,999 --> 01:05:14,627
♪ I ain't got no money ♪
1151
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:18,881
That's why every week
I bring home every chart record
1152
01:05:18,965 --> 01:05:21,050
that makes it in any format.
1153
01:05:21,759 --> 01:05:24,679
Because someone that's been
in the business for a long time,
1154
01:05:24,762 --> 01:05:26,347
you can go over the hill.
1155
01:05:26,431 --> 01:05:30,435
I worry, always worried,
will I go over the hill?
1156
01:05:30,518 --> 01:05:31,936
Am I going over the hill?
1157
01:05:33,438 --> 01:05:37,942
And I come with my satchel
every week in the last 20 years
1158
01:05:38,025 --> 01:05:42,864
and I play those chart records
just to see how music is changing.
1159
01:05:45,241 --> 01:05:51,414
I decided the early '90s
was the time to go into country music.
1160
01:05:54,709 --> 01:05:58,504
Clive took that model
that he found at Columbia Records.
1161
01:05:58,588 --> 01:06:00,673
It set out to cover everything.
1162
01:06:00,756 --> 01:06:03,759
And if he didn't know that music
himself, he'd find people who knew it.
1163
01:06:04,302 --> 01:06:09,474
I interviewed six candidates
and I chose Tim DuBois.
1164
01:06:10,057 --> 01:06:12,894
Tim had been a songwriter,
he had been a producer,
1165
01:06:13,478 --> 01:06:17,690
and the first artist that he brought me
was the great Alan Jackson.
1166
01:06:17,773 --> 01:06:20,860
♪ Well we fogged up the windows
In my old Chevy ♪
1167
01:06:20,943 --> 01:06:23,446
♪ I was willin' but she wasn't ready ♪
1168
01:06:23,529 --> 01:06:26,240
We were able, in an 18 months period,
1169
01:06:26,324 --> 01:06:29,160
to break not only Alan,
but also Brooks and Dunn.
1170
01:06:29,243 --> 01:06:32,121
♪ Oh, get down,
turn around, go to town ♪
1171
01:06:32,205 --> 01:06:34,790
♪ Boot scootin' boogie ♪
1172
01:06:34,874 --> 01:06:38,669
We went from a cold start
to the number two label in Nashville.
1173
01:06:40,046 --> 01:06:42,340
And stayed that way all during the '90s.
1174
01:06:48,804 --> 01:06:50,640
Can I ask you one serious question?
1175
01:06:50,723 --> 01:06:52,058
- Some of--
- How serious is it?
1176
01:06:52,141 --> 01:06:55,686
Well, the friction
at the Soul Train Awards.
1177
01:06:55,770 --> 01:06:57,188
Where does that come from?
1178
01:06:57,772 --> 01:06:59,190
For those of you that don't know--
1179
01:06:59,273 --> 01:07:01,108
They booed me at Soul Train Awards.
1180
01:07:02,860 --> 01:07:04,028
In the record business,
1181
01:07:04,111 --> 01:07:07,031
you've got pop stations,
you've got urban stations.
1182
01:07:07,114 --> 01:07:09,992
The urban stations
wanted to claim her more.
1183
01:07:10,618 --> 01:07:12,411
I think music is music, you know?
1184
01:07:12,828 --> 01:07:15,915
I mean, how do I sing more black,
or how do I sing...
1185
01:07:15,998 --> 01:07:17,726
What am I doing
that's making me sound white?
1186
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:19,085
I don't understand, you know.
1187
01:07:19,168 --> 01:07:22,630
I'm singing music from my heart,
from my soul, and that's it.
1188
01:07:23,089 --> 01:07:25,967
I'm not exactly sure
what singing white is,
1189
01:07:26,050 --> 01:07:29,011
but I don't think there is more soul
to be offered than what you give.
1190
01:07:29,095 --> 01:07:31,722
♪ How will I know If
he really loves me ♪
1191
01:07:31,806 --> 01:07:33,099
I don't know.
1192
01:07:35,059 --> 01:07:38,229
Whitney needed an R&B hit.
1193
01:07:41,148 --> 01:07:44,193
And who had the best track record
at the time?
1194
01:07:44,735 --> 01:07:46,612
It was L.A. & Babyface.
1195
01:07:47,572 --> 01:07:52,034
They had had 19 number-one R&B songs
1196
01:07:52,118 --> 01:07:56,205
and they agreed to do
the I'm Your Baby Tonight cut.
1197
01:07:56,289 --> 01:07:58,499
♪ Whatever you want from me ♪
1198
01:07:58,583 --> 01:08:01,127
♪ I'm giving you everything ♪
1199
01:08:01,210 --> 01:08:04,380
♪ I'm your baby tonight ♪
1200
01:08:04,463 --> 01:08:06,841
L.A. and Babyface
were so perfect for that.
1201
01:08:06,924 --> 01:08:08,843
Because they write
the greatest songs to me
1202
01:08:08,926 --> 01:08:10,928
because they have great grooves.
1203
01:08:11,012 --> 01:08:15,308
But they still have storylines,
and songs that say something.
1204
01:08:15,391 --> 01:08:18,561
In the process of delivering
and writing and creating
1205
01:08:19,103 --> 01:08:21,647
I'm Your Baby Tonight,
we got to know each other.
1206
01:08:22,315 --> 01:08:23,649
We just got along well.
1207
01:08:23,733 --> 01:08:27,612
And I was just very fortunate that
they entrusted me with their vision,
1208
01:08:28,195 --> 01:08:30,948
which was to have
their own record company.
1209
01:08:36,829 --> 01:08:39,707
Clive was the first guy
that took us seriously.
1210
01:08:40,458 --> 01:08:42,138
And, you know,
wanted to give us that shot.
1211
01:08:42,877 --> 01:08:45,546
We were pretty
successful as producers,
1212
01:08:45,630 --> 01:08:48,132
but we didn't know
about discovering talent.
1213
01:08:51,761 --> 01:08:53,512
We moved to Atlanta.
1214
01:08:53,596 --> 01:08:56,515
We set up shop,
put our flag in the ground,
1215
01:08:56,599 --> 01:08:57,975
and it started to work.
1216
01:09:02,813 --> 01:09:05,066
They were forging new territory,
1217
01:09:05,149 --> 01:09:08,861
and in the way that Berry Gordy
found Detroit for Motown Records,
1218
01:09:09,445 --> 01:09:11,614
they established Atlanta.
1219
01:09:12,031 --> 01:09:15,076
♪ Un-break my heart ♪
1220
01:09:15,159 --> 01:09:18,537
You know, to have Toni Braxton
sell eight million on her first album...
1221
01:09:18,621 --> 01:09:22,583
♪ Don't go chasin' waterfalls ♪
1222
01:09:22,667 --> 01:09:24,251
TLC selling ten million.
1223
01:09:28,339 --> 01:09:29,965
Then Usher coming.
1224
01:09:30,049 --> 01:09:33,469
In some ways it felt like
we were accidentally having huge hits.
1225
01:09:35,763 --> 01:09:37,848
So after that third album,
1226
01:09:37,932 --> 01:09:42,853
and after we had been embraced
by the urban community...
1227
01:09:42,937 --> 01:09:48,984
♪ Oh say, does that star ♪
1228
01:09:49,068 --> 01:09:50,069
Her version of
1229
01:09:50,152 --> 01:09:52,405
"The Star-Spangled Banner"
at the Super Bowl
1230
01:09:52,488 --> 01:09:54,824
is such an all-time classic.
1231
01:09:55,783 --> 01:09:58,703
Nobody comes even close.
1232
01:09:59,412 --> 01:10:04,458
♪ O'er the land of the free ♪
1233
01:10:07,503 --> 01:10:13,843
♪ And the home of the brave ♪
1234
01:10:28,899 --> 01:10:33,863
But, there was something in her
that wanted to be a movie star.
1235
01:10:34,572 --> 01:10:36,449
I'm going to do a film next year.
1236
01:10:37,074 --> 01:10:40,453
Yeah. I'm gonna do some acting.
I'll be on the silver screen, so...
1237
01:10:42,788 --> 01:10:47,001
She had a very good agent,
a devoted agent in Nicole David,
1238
01:10:47,084 --> 01:10:51,046
who helped her locate
the role in Bodyguard.
1239
01:10:51,672 --> 01:10:54,925
Originally Clive
was really angry about her doing that,
1240
01:10:55,009 --> 01:11:01,849
and angry with me because I was risking
something very precious and very,
1241
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:03,893
uh, important to him.
1242
01:11:06,145 --> 01:11:10,775
Well, right before Christmas
one year, I get a call from Nicole.
1243
01:11:11,984 --> 01:11:15,029
"I'm gonna send you
the first rough cut."
1244
01:11:16,322 --> 01:11:19,533
The first cut came in
and we watched it on video and
1245
01:11:20,034 --> 01:11:21,160
the movie wasn't good.
1246
01:11:22,828 --> 01:11:24,068
Frank tells me you're a singer.
1247
01:11:24,705 --> 01:11:25,748
Yeah, that's right.
1248
01:11:25,831 --> 01:11:28,542
There was so little music in the film.
1249
01:11:28,626 --> 01:11:31,045
You didn't know why
she needed a bodyguard.
1250
01:11:32,129 --> 01:11:36,675
Watching that first cut
almost ruined my Christmas vacation.
1251
01:11:38,761 --> 01:11:41,138
I came back and I wrote a letter.
1252
01:11:41,222 --> 01:11:44,266
And I said,
"You can't make her first movie
1253
01:11:44,350 --> 01:11:47,895
totally a spoken word thriller
with one song."
1254
01:11:49,396 --> 01:11:52,233
I know that this will be interpreted as,
1255
01:11:52,316 --> 01:11:55,653
"Here I'm the head
of Whitney's record company.
1256
01:11:55,736 --> 01:11:58,656
Where's the music,
and what will the soundtrack be?"
1257
01:11:58,739 --> 01:12:03,118
But I gotta tell you,
this movie could be so much greater
1258
01:12:03,202 --> 01:12:06,580
if we had Whitney be Whitney
and do her stuff.
1259
01:12:07,790 --> 01:12:12,711
And, fortunately, Kevin Costner
responded to that letter.
1260
01:12:13,003 --> 01:12:17,216
♪ Don't make me close one more door ♪
1261
01:12:18,342 --> 01:12:22,555
It was Kevin Costner
who asked for more songs.
1262
01:12:22,638 --> 01:12:24,431
♪ Don't walk away from me ♪
1263
01:12:24,515 --> 01:12:27,434
And the movie was transformed.
1264
01:12:27,518 --> 01:12:29,228
♪ I have nothing... ♪
1265
01:12:29,311 --> 01:12:33,357
And it was Kevin Costner
who had decided on
1266
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:37,319
the Dolly Parton previous hit of
"I Will Always Love You"...
1267
01:12:37,945 --> 01:12:42,449
♪ If I should stay ♪
1268
01:12:44,118 --> 01:12:45,536
♪ Well, I would... ♪
1269
01:12:45,619 --> 01:12:51,083
...who sent it simultaneously
to David Foster, Whitney, and me.
1270
01:12:51,166 --> 01:12:54,336
♪ And so I'll go ♪
1271
01:12:54,420 --> 01:12:58,465
I listened, and said,
"Wow, that is perfect."
1272
01:12:58,549 --> 01:13:02,511
Whitney said the exact same thing.
David said the exact same thing.
1273
01:13:02,595 --> 01:13:05,639
That's how "I Will Always
Love You" got in the film.
1274
01:13:06,348 --> 01:13:08,767
♪ And I ♪
1275
01:13:12,521 --> 01:13:14,523
♪ Will always... ♪
1276
01:13:14,607 --> 01:13:16,233
When I mixed "I Will Always Love You,"
1277
01:13:16,317 --> 01:13:17,568
I did a rough mix of it.
1278
01:13:17,651 --> 01:13:18,986
I'd sent it to him on a DAT.
1279
01:13:19,987 --> 01:13:22,467
I thought, you know, he's gonna
make a bunch of changes anyway.
1280
01:13:23,157 --> 01:13:24,658
He calls me back,
1281
01:13:24,742 --> 01:13:27,620
"I love it! It's perfect!
Don't touch a thing!"
1282
01:13:28,996 --> 01:13:32,374
In Clive Davis' world this is
unheard of. This never happens.
1283
01:13:34,543 --> 01:13:37,903
"I just want to make a couple of changes."
"Don't touch anything, it's just perfect."
1284
01:13:38,964 --> 01:13:40,799
So I went in and spent,
like, 12 hours.
1285
01:13:40,883 --> 01:13:43,385
I tuned the saxophone,
I put new guitars on,
1286
01:13:43,469 --> 01:13:45,721
I did all the stuff that
I had wanted to do.
1287
01:13:45,804 --> 01:13:47,556
And he heard it,
and he said, "I hate it."
1288
01:13:48,933 --> 01:13:51,810
I got really crazy with him. He
started yelling and I started yelling.
1289
01:13:51,894 --> 01:13:53,771
And, you know, I was kind of a hothead.
1290
01:13:54,021 --> 01:13:57,691
There was not an obscenity
known to mankind
1291
01:13:57,775 --> 01:13:59,818
that was not thrown my way.
1292
01:14:00,277 --> 01:14:03,697
He said, "David.
I think we should hang up
1293
01:14:03,781 --> 01:14:06,951
before one of us says something
that we're gonna regret."
1294
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:16,210
♪ And I will always... ♪
1295
01:14:16,293 --> 01:14:19,630
Meantime, Warner Bros. is saying,
"When is the single coming out?
1296
01:14:19,713 --> 01:14:21,799
We're ready to distribute the movie."
1297
01:14:25,052 --> 01:14:27,262
And so, I pushed the button...
1298
01:14:28,973 --> 01:14:31,517
without getting back to David,
1299
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,979
for that first version that I heard.
1300
01:14:35,062 --> 01:14:38,065
♪ Will always ♪
1301
01:14:38,148 --> 01:14:41,068
♪ Love you ♪
1302
01:14:42,778 --> 01:14:45,447
♪ I will always... ♪
1303
01:14:45,531 --> 01:14:46,907
We used that DAT he carried around
1304
01:14:46,991 --> 01:14:48,033
all summer in his pocket.
1305
01:14:48,117 --> 01:14:50,327
And that got mastered
to become the single
1306
01:14:50,411 --> 01:14:53,038
of the century's greatest love song.
1307
01:14:53,914 --> 01:14:57,876
♪ ...love you ♪
1308
01:15:05,259 --> 01:15:07,511
I think people think
about his public persona,
1309
01:15:07,594 --> 01:15:09,263
the big music man.
1310
01:15:09,346 --> 01:15:13,100
I don't think they understand
what a family guy he is.
1311
01:15:15,936 --> 01:15:17,980
You know, he stressed
the importance of family.
1312
01:15:18,063 --> 01:15:19,398
He was there every weekend.
1313
01:15:19,481 --> 01:15:22,818
We would have these, what are
now famous, Sunday night dinners.
1314
01:15:23,152 --> 01:15:25,487
Vacations, you know,
several times a year.
1315
01:15:25,571 --> 01:15:28,824
And it's very important for him
that we each spend time with each other,
1316
01:15:28,907 --> 01:15:30,075
and not just with him.
1317
01:15:30,701 --> 01:15:33,704
As busy as he was,
he's dealing with all this talent,
1318
01:15:33,787 --> 01:15:38,000
dealing with the corporate structures
and the demands on him to make money.
1319
01:15:38,083 --> 01:15:41,503
And every Sunday he would have dinner
with the kids and the family.
1320
01:15:41,587 --> 01:15:46,008
That's not typical of a lot of these
guys, you know, operating at that level.
1321
01:15:48,677 --> 01:15:53,932
In my late 40s,
after both my marriages had failed,
1322
01:15:54,850 --> 01:15:58,103
I opened myself up to the possibility
1323
01:15:58,187 --> 01:16:04,818
that gender would not be the factor
of determining my sexuality.
1324
01:16:06,862 --> 01:16:10,449
I don't find it extraordinary
that he's interested in both sexes.
1325
01:16:11,450 --> 01:16:13,285
He has no narrowness to him.
1326
01:16:14,286 --> 01:16:15,370
He's a capacious person.
1327
01:16:17,331 --> 01:16:20,459
Do you hope that bisexuality
will be better understood
1328
01:16:20,542 --> 01:16:22,711
- as a result of your honesty?
- I honestly do.
1329
01:16:23,378 --> 01:16:26,548
I honestly do have that hope
that that is the case.
1330
01:16:27,091 --> 01:16:32,387
There was an attitude
towards bisexuality, pervasive,
1331
01:16:32,471 --> 01:16:37,226
that you're either gay or you're
straight or you're lying. It's not true.
1332
01:16:37,810 --> 01:16:41,271
You don't have to be
only one thing or another.
1333
01:16:45,109 --> 01:16:47,861
It's funny, the sense of Clive...
1334
01:16:47,945 --> 01:16:52,199
You're just kind of always having,
you know, a feel for the zeitgeist.
1335
01:16:52,282 --> 01:16:54,952
You know,
with the discussion of bisexuality,
1336
01:16:55,035 --> 01:16:57,454
you know, was something that really
kind of caught the wind
1337
01:16:57,538 --> 01:17:02,793
of what was going on in a way that, you
know, I didn't necessarily anticipate.
1338
01:17:02,876 --> 01:17:05,212
But I think, you know,
in some way he understood.
1339
01:17:05,295 --> 01:17:07,548
And, I'm not sure
1340
01:17:07,631 --> 01:17:10,759
he was particularly surprised
by the attention that it got.
1341
01:17:11,969 --> 01:17:15,305
- Nice. Whoa, that was good.
- That's on film.
1342
01:17:15,389 --> 01:17:16,640
That's on film.
1343
01:17:17,182 --> 01:17:21,687
In this tough business, you can
never really rest on your laurels.
1344
01:17:21,770 --> 01:17:25,107
If you're an artist,
you have to keep at the cutting edge.
1345
01:17:25,190 --> 01:17:27,110
You have to come up
with hit after hit after hit.
1346
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:33,699
And if you're an executive like me,
you have to keep reinventing yourself.
1347
01:17:34,491 --> 01:17:36,869
Going from rock, to pop
1348
01:17:37,911 --> 01:17:40,831
to urban crossover, to street.
1349
01:17:46,628 --> 01:17:49,923
It was very special meeting
Sean "Puffy" Combs.
1350
01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:54,595
He had a very specific vision.
1351
01:17:56,430 --> 01:18:00,726
The time had come that Top 40
had to change.
1352
01:18:02,561 --> 01:18:06,690
That there was, and he saw,
a pending revolution.
1353
01:18:10,319 --> 01:18:12,237
A hip-hop revolution.
1354
01:18:13,697 --> 01:18:14,948
♪ Just like ♪
1355
01:18:15,032 --> 01:18:17,492
♪ Uniblab, robotic kickin' flab ♪
1356
01:18:17,576 --> 01:18:19,328
♪ My flavor be
the badder chitter-chatter ♪
1357
01:18:19,411 --> 01:18:20,746
♪ Madder than the Mad Hatter ♪
1358
01:18:20,829 --> 01:18:26,376
You know, one of my big pitches to Clive
was that hip-hop is an international,
1359
01:18:26,460 --> 01:18:28,170
you know, mainstream art form.
1360
01:18:29,213 --> 01:18:33,217
And that the records that I was making
and the artists that I was putting out,
1361
01:18:33,300 --> 01:18:35,802
could really take over
and change the sound of pop radio.
1362
01:18:36,803 --> 01:18:38,680
♪ Hold up, let's make this official ♪
1363
01:18:38,764 --> 01:18:42,184
When Puffy kind of articulated his
vision for what hip-hop could become,
1364
01:18:42,267 --> 01:18:43,703
I think to Clive that
made a lot of sense.
1365
01:18:43,727 --> 01:18:45,687
I mean, that was what happened
with rock 'n' roll.
1366
01:18:47,522 --> 01:18:52,319
Puffy came up and played for me
Craig Mack's, "Flava In Ya Ear."
1367
01:18:52,903 --> 01:18:54,529
♪ You won't be around next year ♪
1368
01:18:54,613 --> 01:18:57,658
♪ My rap's too severe
Kickin' mad flava in ya ear ♪
1369
01:18:58,242 --> 01:19:02,162
And then he played me three or four cuts
from an artist that he was grooming.
1370
01:19:04,373 --> 01:19:06,541
And to my untrained ear...
1371
01:19:08,627 --> 01:19:09,670
it was special.
1372
01:19:09,753 --> 01:19:11,171
♪ It was all a dream ♪
1373
01:19:11,255 --> 01:19:13,131
♪ I used to read
Word Up magazine ♪
1374
01:19:13,215 --> 01:19:15,759
♪ Salt 'n' Pepa and Heavy D
Up in the limousine ♪
1375
01:19:15,842 --> 01:19:17,469
♪ Hangin' pictures on my wall ♪
1376
01:19:17,552 --> 01:19:19,721
♪ Every Saturday, Rap Attack
Mr. Magic... ♪
1377
01:19:19,805 --> 01:19:22,599
When I first played Clive my music,
1378
01:19:22,683 --> 01:19:24,935
nobody had heard what I was working on.
1379
01:19:25,018 --> 01:19:28,480
We just talked for hours about music
and his knowledge about music.
1380
01:19:28,563 --> 01:19:30,816
And hip-hop and the things
that I produced.
1381
01:19:30,899 --> 01:19:32,609
It was just mind-blowing.
1382
01:19:32,693 --> 01:19:35,696
And he understood
he was hearing something special.
1383
01:19:35,779 --> 01:19:37,531
He knew he was hearing a new sound.
1384
01:19:37,614 --> 01:19:40,075
♪ Time to get paid
Blow up Like the World Trade... ♪
1385
01:19:40,158 --> 01:19:42,536
So, I said
this young man has got the goods.
1386
01:19:42,619 --> 01:19:46,206
And I made a deal to finance
Bad Boy Records.
1387
01:19:47,332 --> 01:19:50,460
♪ Every step I take ♪
1388
01:19:51,503 --> 01:19:53,297
♪ Every move I make ♪
1389
01:19:53,380 --> 01:19:57,676
That range of Kenny G
to The Notorious B.I.G.
1390
01:19:58,635 --> 01:19:59,678
That's a distance.
1391
01:19:59,970 --> 01:20:02,597
♪ I'll be missin' you ♪
1392
01:20:02,681 --> 01:20:04,599
♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
1393
01:20:04,683 --> 01:20:07,519
♪ Thinking of the day... ♪
1394
01:20:07,602 --> 01:20:11,773
We have seven in the top 30,
starting off with Whitney at number one.
1395
01:20:11,857 --> 01:20:13,358
Davis's Friday lunch meetings
1396
01:20:13,442 --> 01:20:15,610
are a chance
for his entire management team
1397
01:20:15,694 --> 01:20:17,237
to sit down with their boss.
1398
01:20:18,322 --> 01:20:21,491
These A&R meetings
were super intense.
1399
01:20:22,326 --> 01:20:25,412
You would listen to the same things
over and over and over again.
1400
01:20:25,495 --> 01:20:28,582
You'd listen to six mixes
of the same song.
1401
01:20:31,043 --> 01:20:32,461
Songs would be dissected.
1402
01:20:32,544 --> 01:20:34,629
People would vote
on a scale of one to ten.
1403
01:20:34,713 --> 01:20:36,273
Really, it was a scale of seven to ten.
1404
01:20:36,965 --> 01:20:38,485
He doesn't show it to a lot of people,
1405
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:42,304
but there's a current of insecurity
going through there
1406
01:20:42,387 --> 01:20:48,518
that is,
"Wow, if I don't... do the triple,
1407
01:20:48,602 --> 01:20:51,772
quadruple, septuple check,
1408
01:20:51,855 --> 01:20:55,901
that it's just gonna
come crashing down."
1409
01:20:55,984 --> 01:21:00,447
And so the quality control was insane.
1410
01:21:00,530 --> 01:21:03,658
And the work hours were...
1411
01:21:05,369 --> 01:21:06,369
extensive.
1412
01:21:06,411 --> 01:21:10,499
I think every person who is really,
really successful
1413
01:21:10,582 --> 01:21:14,127
has a certain amount of fear,
which keeps them going.
1414
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,005
And I think he has that, too.
1415
01:21:21,927 --> 01:21:24,930
One night Clive said,
"We're gonna go see Santana
1416
01:21:25,013 --> 01:21:28,475
at Radio City," and we were,
like... "Okay."
1417
01:21:34,064 --> 01:21:37,484
We hadn't had any radio airplay
for a long, long time.
1418
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,404
Clive came up to see us
and he told me, he says,
1419
01:21:40,487 --> 01:21:43,365
"Carlos, there's two different rings,
playing live, you're ferocious.
1420
01:21:43,448 --> 01:21:47,285
You probably knock out most people
who are top selling right now. Live.
1421
01:21:47,869 --> 01:21:49,162
But you need some songs."
1422
01:21:50,247 --> 01:21:53,917
So Clive announces
that he's signing, you know, again,
1423
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:57,087
after 20 years or whatever,
Carlos Santana.
1424
01:21:57,170 --> 01:22:01,258
And we were, like, "Okay."
I mean, Carlos, legendary artist.
1425
01:22:02,092 --> 01:22:03,593
But where would his music fit?
1426
01:22:04,386 --> 01:22:06,721
The commonality
that Clive Davis and I have...
1427
01:22:06,805 --> 01:22:08,890
We have an incredible,
powerful muscle.
1428
01:22:09,641 --> 01:22:12,144
It's called imagination.
1429
01:22:12,227 --> 01:22:14,521
We can see it. We can imagine it.
1430
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:17,941
And, therefore, we're able to hit it.
1431
01:22:26,116 --> 01:22:28,493
♪ Man, it's a hot one ♪
1432
01:22:28,577 --> 01:22:30,930
Clive's working on the record,
he calls me up to his office,
1433
01:22:30,954 --> 01:22:32,622
and he says,
"I wanna play you something."
1434
01:22:33,457 --> 01:22:35,083
He plays me, "Smooth."
1435
01:22:35,834 --> 01:22:37,669
I fell out of my chair.
1436
01:22:37,752 --> 01:22:41,173
I mean, this may have been
a 50-year-old Carlos Santana,
1437
01:22:41,965 --> 01:22:46,344
but the song was as hot
as anything on the radio.
1438
01:22:46,428 --> 01:22:48,763
♪ My Spanish Harlem Mona Lisa ♪
1439
01:22:51,308 --> 01:22:53,810
There was such speculation.
1440
01:22:53,894 --> 01:22:57,939
"Could this be Davis's folly?
Is he acting out of sentiment?"
1441
01:22:58,023 --> 01:22:59,024
Well, I hope not.
1442
01:22:59,107 --> 01:23:01,651
♪ And if you said,
"This life..." ♪
1443
01:23:01,735 --> 01:23:05,906
I just believed
that with the right material,
1444
01:23:05,989 --> 01:23:07,365
Santana could sell.
1445
01:23:08,992 --> 01:23:12,621
I was extremely amazed, I still
am just the momentum it picked up.
1446
01:23:15,123 --> 01:23:17,792
Once we got it on the radio,
it went...
1447
01:23:18,627 --> 01:23:20,170
It went bananas.
1448
01:23:20,504 --> 01:23:24,424
♪ And it's just like the ocean
Under the moon ♪
1449
01:23:24,508 --> 01:23:25,842
♪ It's the same as... ♪
1450
01:23:25,926 --> 01:23:27,594
The song went on to be number one
1451
01:23:27,677 --> 01:23:29,846
and we sold 22 million albums
around the world.
1452
01:23:29,930 --> 01:23:32,224
♪ Maria, Maria ♪
1453
01:23:34,476 --> 01:23:37,187
♪ She reminds me of
A West Side story ♪
1454
01:23:38,605 --> 01:23:41,691
After "Smooth" broke,
after "Maria, Maria" broke,
1455
01:23:41,775 --> 01:23:44,402
I mean, the album just kept soaring.
1456
01:23:44,486 --> 01:23:47,531
And, the Grammy goes to...
1457
01:23:47,614 --> 01:23:49,991
Supernatural. Santana.
1458
01:23:52,202 --> 01:23:55,455
Certainly, anyone who can figure out
1459
01:23:55,539 --> 01:23:58,166
how to sell millions of albums
1460
01:23:58,250 --> 01:24:01,670
by a rock guitarist in his mid-50s,
1461
01:24:01,753 --> 01:24:03,672
who doesn't sing a note...
1462
01:24:03,755 --> 01:24:06,591
has earned my eternal admiration.
1463
01:24:16,142 --> 01:24:18,019
We were flying high.
1464
01:24:18,103 --> 01:24:20,814
The hits we were enjoying that year,
1465
01:24:20,897 --> 01:24:24,109
Supernatural, My Love is Your Love,
with Whitney.
1466
01:24:24,192 --> 01:24:27,612
I was inducted into
the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame,
1467
01:24:27,696 --> 01:24:31,116
I was given
the Lifetime Achievement Award by NARAS.
1468
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:36,413
Sales for the year were looming to
be in excess of a half billion dollars,
1469
01:24:36,496 --> 01:24:39,165
bigger than at any time
in our history.
1470
01:24:39,249 --> 01:24:41,835
♪ Your love is my love ♪
1471
01:24:41,918 --> 01:24:45,046
♪ And my love is your love ♪
1472
01:24:45,130 --> 01:24:48,425
And so, I got an invitation
to attend dinner
1473
01:24:48,508 --> 01:24:51,303
from Michael Dornemann
and Strauss Zelnick,
1474
01:24:51,386 --> 01:24:54,514
the two top officers of Bertelsmann,
1475
01:24:54,598 --> 01:24:58,685
a major German company
that had purchased Arista from me.
1476
01:24:59,227 --> 01:25:04,441
And I thought I was going there
to be warmly congratulated
1477
01:25:04,524 --> 01:25:06,443
at the peak of my career.
1478
01:25:10,905 --> 01:25:12,324
It's maybe nine o'clock.
1479
01:25:12,407 --> 01:25:14,701
I'm getting ready to pack up
and go to dinner,
1480
01:25:14,784 --> 01:25:16,328
and the phone rings. It's Clive.
1481
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,831
I just hear this voice like
I've never heard him before.
1482
01:25:19,914 --> 01:25:21,374
We have to meet, we have to meet.
1483
01:25:24,836 --> 01:25:26,036
I said, "What's wrong, Clive?"
1484
01:25:28,340 --> 01:25:29,549
"They want to push me out."
1485
01:25:33,970 --> 01:25:38,266
Strauss Zelnick and Michael Dornemann
felt that Clive is 66 now,
1486
01:25:38,350 --> 01:25:39,934
it is time for him to step down.
1487
01:25:43,146 --> 01:25:45,649
You know, the reason for Clive
supposedly being pushed out
1488
01:25:45,732 --> 01:25:47,192
was an age thing at that point.
1489
01:25:47,275 --> 01:25:49,569
And it made absolutely no sense,
1490
01:25:49,653 --> 01:25:52,489
because Clive wasn't getting old
as it related to music, you know.
1491
01:25:53,073 --> 01:25:54,741
Arguably he was getting younger.
1492
01:25:55,909 --> 01:25:59,079
The real reason was that
I was making too much money.
1493
01:25:59,746 --> 01:26:06,044
They wanted to stop my earning
tens of millions of dollars every year.
1494
01:26:06,586 --> 01:26:10,590
And they were trying to come
up with a way to cut their burden.
1495
01:26:11,549 --> 01:26:13,927
It's very often people end up in charge,
1496
01:26:14,010 --> 01:26:17,597
who really don't understand
what the business is all about.
1497
01:26:17,681 --> 01:26:20,517
They don't appreciate the amazing talent
that these people have.
1498
01:26:20,975 --> 01:26:24,437
They're not gonna replace Clive.
When Clive goes, that's the end of that.
1499
01:26:27,148 --> 01:26:28,191
Up next,
1500
01:26:28,274 --> 01:26:32,278
the man at the center of a
cutthroat fight in the music business.
1501
01:26:32,362 --> 01:26:34,239
He's in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
1502
01:26:34,322 --> 01:26:38,702
But was just forced out
at the record company he founded.
1503
01:26:38,785 --> 01:26:40,995
All of a sudden,
there was this public outcry.
1504
01:26:41,079 --> 01:26:42,831
There was an enormous amount of press.
1505
01:26:43,957 --> 01:26:47,877
The fact of the matter is
you were too old. Right?
1506
01:26:47,961 --> 01:26:52,006
Wrong. The fact of the matter is
that I knew I was not too old.
1507
01:26:52,966 --> 01:26:56,052
Everybody rallied for Clive. Everybody.
1508
01:26:56,136 --> 01:27:00,306
His fiercest competitors
rallied for him to not get let go.
1509
01:27:01,349 --> 01:27:06,020
If Arista does not have Clive Davis,
it will be a very different Arista.
1510
01:27:06,104 --> 01:27:09,774
The artists started saying,
"How could you do this?"
1511
01:27:10,442 --> 01:27:14,988
I can't imagine our industry
without Clive Davis.
1512
01:27:19,492 --> 01:27:24,414
With all of this crazy geschrein,
publicly and privately...
1513
01:27:25,373 --> 01:27:27,167
I get a call from Strauss Zelnick.
1514
01:27:28,126 --> 01:27:29,294
"Let's talk."
1515
01:27:31,629 --> 01:27:33,131
♪ I like it in the morning ♪
1516
01:27:34,215 --> 01:27:36,468
♪ The morning's much better ♪
1517
01:27:36,551 --> 01:27:37,761
Bertelsmann understood
1518
01:27:37,844 --> 01:27:41,431
we can't have Clive Davis out there
competing with us.
1519
01:27:42,015 --> 01:27:46,102
So we structure this joint
venture by the name of J Records.
1520
01:27:47,061 --> 01:27:50,482
Basically he's back in business at BMG,
1521
01:27:50,565 --> 01:27:52,025
but now he owns half the company.
1522
01:27:54,235 --> 01:27:57,155
My calculus was
that we're gonna need $150 million
1523
01:27:57,238 --> 01:27:59,032
to build this business the right way.
1524
01:27:59,532 --> 01:28:05,789
$150 million was much bigger
than any label had ever been created.
1525
01:28:06,915 --> 01:28:12,045
We are now walking towards
the office of Clive Davis.
1526
01:28:12,796 --> 01:28:14,339
I went to see Clive, and I said,
1527
01:28:14,422 --> 01:28:17,342
"Look, Clive, I don't know if you're
gonna be able to take me or not,
1528
01:28:18,176 --> 01:28:21,012
but if there is any way
I can come with you,
1529
01:28:21,095 --> 01:28:22,514
I would really like to."
1530
01:28:22,597 --> 01:28:25,850
My loyalty was with Clive.
And, you know, I was building something.
1531
01:28:26,643 --> 01:28:30,396
It was an opportunity
to actually do something fresh.
1532
01:28:30,897 --> 01:28:34,776
I didn't hesitate.
"This sounds crazy. I'm in."
1533
01:28:37,487 --> 01:28:42,325
Every one of the 18
senior executives of Arista
1534
01:28:42,408 --> 01:28:44,661
came over to J Records.
1535
01:28:44,744 --> 01:28:48,665
That was one of
the most emotionally gratifying
1536
01:28:48,748 --> 01:28:53,503
and meaningful situations
that ever happened in my career.
1537
01:28:59,634 --> 01:29:02,971
So the deal was $150 million.
1538
01:29:03,054 --> 01:29:04,681
It's right there on your left.
1539
01:29:04,764 --> 01:29:08,852
Five platinum artists
from those that would come with us,
1540
01:29:09,769 --> 01:29:13,356
and five new artists
that were in development.
1541
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:16,401
Of course, there were
certain artists that were off-limits.
1542
01:29:16,484 --> 01:29:18,736
Carlos was off-limits,
Whitney was off-limits,
1543
01:29:18,820 --> 01:29:19,946
Kenny G was off-limits.
1544
01:29:20,572 --> 01:29:23,157
So our focus
was really on the new artists.
1545
01:29:23,241 --> 01:29:26,035
- Thank you. Hi.
- That doesn't cut it. No, no, no.
1546
01:29:26,119 --> 01:29:29,831
- No. No. I'm at Clive's table. Thank you.
- Very good.
1547
01:29:29,914 --> 01:29:32,375
Happy Birthday!
1548
01:29:32,458 --> 01:29:37,338
This is really a night where each
and every one of you here tonight
1549
01:29:37,422 --> 01:29:39,883
will make a discovery.
1550
01:29:40,258 --> 01:29:42,468
Ladies and gentlemen, Ms. Alicia Keys.
1551
01:29:51,269 --> 01:29:53,646
At 16,
I was signed by Columbia Records.
1552
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:58,151
The people at Columbia really
didn't understand what I was doing.
1553
01:29:59,611 --> 01:30:03,865
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Yeah, yeah ♪
1554
01:30:03,948 --> 01:30:05,491
♪ Come on ♪
1555
01:30:05,575 --> 01:30:07,910
And so, my manager at the time,
he was like,
1556
01:30:07,994 --> 01:30:10,554
"Well if they don't get you,
then let's find somebody that does."
1557
01:30:11,414 --> 01:30:12,957
I'll never forget meeting Clive.
1558
01:30:13,666 --> 01:30:15,710
I remember him being
really appreciative,
1559
01:30:15,793 --> 01:30:19,797
and celebratory of the fact
that I was my own artist.
1560
01:30:20,423 --> 01:30:23,843
And I remember feeling so inspired.
1561
01:30:27,305 --> 01:30:29,098
It's like Clive saying, um,
1562
01:30:30,725 --> 01:30:34,187
there are so few times where
you really find that special artist.
1563
01:30:34,270 --> 01:30:38,816
And I think Alicia was the one,
you know, that came after Whitney.
1564
01:30:38,900 --> 01:30:41,069
♪ I keep on fallin' ♪
1565
01:30:41,653 --> 01:30:44,489
♪ In... ♪
1566
01:30:48,034 --> 01:30:50,370
♪ In love ♪
1567
01:30:50,453 --> 01:30:54,082
People really liked "Fallin',"
but it defied all genres.
1568
01:30:54,165 --> 01:30:56,042
It didn't have a place at radio.
1569
01:30:56,125 --> 01:30:58,086
♪ Sometimes I love you ♪
1570
01:30:59,087 --> 01:31:00,338
We were slipping a little bit.
1571
01:31:00,421 --> 01:31:03,174
We weren't getting the momentum
that we knew the song deserved.
1572
01:31:04,342 --> 01:31:06,342
Clive did something
I don't think he had ever done.
1573
01:31:06,386 --> 01:31:09,263
He wrote a letter to Oprah.
1574
01:31:09,347 --> 01:31:13,226
And she's here to sing her first single,
called "Fallin'."
1575
01:31:13,309 --> 01:31:15,728
Please welcome Alicia Keys.
1576
01:31:17,897 --> 01:31:20,274
♪ I keep on fallin' ♪
1577
01:31:20,358 --> 01:31:24,112
♪ In and out of love ♪
1578
01:31:24,195 --> 01:31:26,072
♪ With you ♪
1579
01:31:26,155 --> 01:31:28,115
He knew that if people
could lay their eyes on me,
1580
01:31:28,157 --> 01:31:30,785
if they could see what he saw,
1581
01:31:30,868 --> 01:31:32,662
that they would see what he saw.
1582
01:31:32,745 --> 01:31:36,541
♪ I, I, I ♪
1583
01:31:36,624 --> 01:31:39,544
♪ Never felt this way ♪
1584
01:31:39,627 --> 01:31:41,227
The brilliant thing
about Alicia Keys was
1585
01:31:41,295 --> 01:31:43,756
she was exactly the sort of thing
that Clive Davis
1586
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:45,550
was not supposed to be able
to do anymore.
1587
01:31:45,633 --> 01:31:49,512
Which was discover, like,
a hot new young talent,
1588
01:31:49,595 --> 01:31:52,181
who was gonna
stand the industry on its head.
1589
01:31:53,307 --> 01:31:57,520
Okay. She's it.
Alicia Keys. Thanks, Clive.
1590
01:31:58,938 --> 01:32:00,481
- Thanks, Clive.
- Thanks, Clive.
1591
01:32:01,733 --> 01:32:03,943
"Thanks, Clive."
1592
01:32:04,026 --> 01:32:05,987
So we had a lot
of wind behind our backs.
1593
01:32:06,070 --> 01:32:09,282
We had success with Alicia,
we had success with Luther Vandross.
1594
01:32:09,365 --> 01:32:14,078
♪ If I could get
Another chance ♪
1595
01:32:14,162 --> 01:32:17,582
I have been a fan of Clive's for...
ever.
1596
01:32:18,124 --> 01:32:20,668
Let's just say I was available
when he called me.
1597
01:32:22,170 --> 01:32:24,839
♪ I guess I'll never know ♪
1598
01:32:24,922 --> 01:32:27,300
We had successes
just about with every release.
1599
01:32:29,051 --> 01:32:30,428
- ♪ Break yo' back ♪
- ♪ Come on! ♪
1600
01:32:30,511 --> 01:32:31,780
- ♪ Break yo' back ♪
- ♪ Come on! ♪
1601
01:32:31,804 --> 01:32:34,390
Busta Rhymes' first album went platinum.
1602
01:32:34,474 --> 01:32:39,353
♪ And she will be loved ♪
1603
01:32:39,437 --> 01:32:41,063
We had Maroon 5.
1604
01:32:41,147 --> 01:32:45,193
♪ Yeah, here comes the water ♪
1605
01:32:45,276 --> 01:32:47,862
And rock with Velvet Revolver.
1606
01:32:47,945 --> 01:32:51,908
♪ Wash away the sins
Of you and I ♪
1607
01:32:51,991 --> 01:32:53,785
Clive just liked having hits.
1608
01:32:53,868 --> 01:32:56,662
But not just hits.
He wanted big hits.
1609
01:33:04,837 --> 01:33:06,547
We have the results.
1610
01:33:06,631 --> 01:33:07,882
This is the moment...
1611
01:33:08,883 --> 01:33:11,552
the country has been waiting for.
1612
01:33:12,678 --> 01:33:15,807
It still felt a bit gimmicky,
the whole competition.
1613
01:33:15,890 --> 01:33:18,976
Which to be fair, you know, in the past,
that's what it had been.
1614
01:33:19,060 --> 01:33:21,938
There was some success
in other countries.
1615
01:33:22,021 --> 01:33:24,398
But more as a souvenir.
1616
01:33:24,482 --> 01:33:27,527
There had never really been
talent show winners
1617
01:33:27,610 --> 01:33:29,612
who could have recording careers.
1618
01:33:30,655 --> 01:33:33,199
The winner, of American Idol...
1619
01:33:33,282 --> 01:33:34,617
Kelly Clarkson.
1620
01:33:41,833 --> 01:33:43,626
The show had found a superstar.
1621
01:33:43,709 --> 01:33:49,006
And I said to him, "Look, this girl
is dependent upon you backing her.
1622
01:33:49,090 --> 01:33:51,884
You've gotta get behind her.
You've gotta help with the songs."
1623
01:33:53,427 --> 01:33:57,139
We're gonna use the same
process finding material for them
1624
01:33:57,223 --> 01:34:01,769
as we do with our A-plus superstars.
1625
01:34:03,020 --> 01:34:07,942
Pop music had been changing.
There was no new Barry Manilow.
1626
01:34:08,025 --> 01:34:10,570
There was no new Barbra Streisand.
1627
01:34:11,487 --> 01:34:15,032
I thought this program
would enhance the opportunity
1628
01:34:15,867 --> 01:34:18,578
to break pop artists.
1629
01:34:19,745 --> 01:34:21,038
We did great.
1630
01:34:21,998 --> 01:34:25,293
♪ Since you've been gone ♪
1631
01:34:26,377 --> 01:34:30,047
They would literally fly these kids
from winning that night
1632
01:34:30,131 --> 01:34:31,299
on a plane to New York,
1633
01:34:31,382 --> 01:34:32,985
and then we were sitting
in an office the next day,
1634
01:34:33,009 --> 01:34:34,409
and I was there playing them songs.
1635
01:34:34,927 --> 01:34:37,972
♪ Jesus, take the wheel ♪
1636
01:34:38,055 --> 01:34:41,017
♪ Take it from my hands ♪
1637
01:34:41,100 --> 01:34:44,854
♪ 'Cause I can't do this
On my own ♪
1638
01:34:46,063 --> 01:34:49,108
Celebrating
the 33 million sales, worldwide.
1639
01:34:49,191 --> 01:34:50,067
So congratulations,
1640
01:34:50,151 --> 01:34:52,511
and thank you for everything
that you've done for this show.
1641
01:34:59,869 --> 01:35:04,540
J Records had emerged
as an "instant major."
1642
01:35:05,708 --> 01:35:09,045
♪ You go to my head ♪
1643
01:35:10,713 --> 01:35:14,926
♪ And you linger
Like a haunting refrain ♪
1644
01:35:16,052 --> 01:35:19,597
Myself and Richard Perry,
one night after a few bottles of wine,
1645
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:21,974
started just, you know,
around the piano,
1646
01:35:22,058 --> 01:35:24,268
singing some
of the Great American Songbook.
1647
01:35:25,978 --> 01:35:29,023
We took it to three different labels
and they all said no.
1648
01:35:30,149 --> 01:35:33,361
I knew there was one person
who would get it, if anybody would.
1649
01:35:34,195 --> 01:35:35,738
So, I went to see Clive.
1650
01:35:35,821 --> 01:35:37,782
He said,
"This is terrific. We can do this."
1651
01:35:40,368 --> 01:35:44,830
We all gathered in one of the
bungalows that Clive always stays in.
1652
01:35:44,914 --> 01:35:48,125
And Clive said,
"Well, I want it to be Fred and Ginger."
1653
01:35:48,209 --> 01:35:51,045
And he got up and started dancing
around the room.
1654
01:35:51,128 --> 01:35:53,464
Then Arnold got up
and started dancing around the room.
1655
01:35:53,547 --> 01:35:54,966
So did Richard Perry and I.
1656
01:35:55,591 --> 01:35:57,986
Clive would be in the studio
in New York at two in the morning.
1657
01:35:58,010 --> 01:36:00,304
Going over tracks,
and checking tempos,
1658
01:36:00,388 --> 01:36:02,139
and making sure it was dance-y enough.
1659
01:36:02,223 --> 01:36:03,683
Make it dance-y enough. You know?
1660
01:36:03,766 --> 01:36:07,019
♪ The way you hold your knife ♪
1661
01:36:09,105 --> 01:36:11,691
♪ The way we dance till three ♪
1662
01:36:13,192 --> 01:36:18,239
Prior to it being released,
they got CDs sent to high-end shops,
1663
01:36:18,322 --> 01:36:19,532
all around the country,
1664
01:36:19,615 --> 01:36:22,410
so if women were shopping
at Jimmy Choo for shoes,
1665
01:36:22,493 --> 01:36:23,995
or Bergdorf Goodman,
1666
01:36:24,078 --> 01:36:25,931
they would be hearing
Rod Stewart singing these songs.
1667
01:36:25,955 --> 01:36:31,544
♪ They can't take that
Away from me ♪
1668
01:36:31,627 --> 01:36:34,505
Thank you, Clive.
Thank you for your belief.
1669
01:36:35,131 --> 01:36:36,608
And I think that's
the most important thing.
1670
01:36:36,632 --> 01:36:38,467
You believed in us
right from the start.
1671
01:36:38,551 --> 01:36:40,261
Let's hope it'll be number one
next week.
1672
01:36:40,344 --> 01:36:42,221
Yeah.
1673
01:36:42,304 --> 01:36:45,016
This album just exploded,
1674
01:36:45,099 --> 01:36:49,603
as did the second and third
and fourth volume.
1675
01:36:50,980 --> 01:36:52,982
You know,
we were having a lot of success.
1676
01:36:53,941 --> 01:36:55,943
And, at the same time,
1677
01:36:56,944 --> 01:36:59,822
L.A. Reid had come into Arista,
1678
01:37:00,573 --> 01:37:03,034
Zelnick and Dornemann
at this point had been fired.
1679
01:37:03,117 --> 01:37:07,371
And, you're in a situation where
Arista and L.A. were struggling.
1680
01:37:07,455 --> 01:37:09,331
I became the president
of Arista Records.
1681
01:37:10,041 --> 01:37:11,292
Uh, I thought it was growth.
1682
01:37:11,375 --> 01:37:14,962
I thought it was some kind of
an accelerated career move.
1683
01:37:15,046 --> 01:37:16,297
But, as it turns out,
1684
01:37:16,380 --> 01:37:21,093
it was... a foolish guy
stepping into the shoes of an icon.
1685
01:37:22,011 --> 01:37:24,513
I had a meeting
with the new head of BMG.
1686
01:37:24,597 --> 01:37:27,892
And he said, "Look, I'm gonna propose
1687
01:37:27,975 --> 01:37:30,978
that we create BMG North America.
1688
01:37:31,062 --> 01:37:32,938
And I'm gonna make you head.
1689
01:37:33,022 --> 01:37:37,651
And you will now be head
of the group that contains RCA Records,
1690
01:37:37,735 --> 01:37:41,989
Jive Records,
and you will get back Arista Records."
1691
01:37:46,535 --> 01:37:47,953
Yeah.
1692
01:37:48,037 --> 01:37:49,830
I remember the day.
1693
01:37:49,914 --> 01:37:51,373
I remember the moment.
1694
01:37:52,083 --> 01:37:55,294
When Clive called me
to his office, and he said,
1695
01:37:55,377 --> 01:37:57,963
"Ree, I got something
that I want you to hear."
1696
01:38:00,341 --> 01:38:02,802
♪ Like a warrior that fights ♪
1697
01:38:02,885 --> 01:38:05,054
♪ And wins the battle ♪
1698
01:38:05,137 --> 01:38:07,473
♪ I know the taste of victory ♪
1699
01:38:08,599 --> 01:38:10,559
♪ Though I went
Through some nights ♪
1700
01:38:10,643 --> 01:38:13,062
♪ Consumed by the shadows ♪
1701
01:38:13,145 --> 01:38:16,023
♪ I was crippled emotionally ♪
1702
01:38:16,107 --> 01:38:19,777
He had a 25 year legacy
that was coming back,
1703
01:38:19,860 --> 01:38:21,695
and everything had come full circle.
1704
01:38:22,404 --> 01:38:26,534
It was a very emotional moment,
because he was also reunited
1705
01:38:26,617 --> 01:38:29,829
with many of the artists that had been
part of his life for so long.
1706
01:38:30,371 --> 01:38:36,085
♪ I write the songs
that make the whole world sing ♪
1707
01:38:37,253 --> 01:38:38,921
He was then working
with Whitney again,
1708
01:38:39,004 --> 01:38:41,173
and he was working with Santana again.
1709
01:38:41,257 --> 01:38:46,011
And he was working with so many
of the original Arista artists.
1710
01:38:46,095 --> 01:38:50,766
♪ ...that make
The young girls cry ♪
1711
01:38:50,850 --> 01:38:54,436
♪ I write the songs,
I write the songs ♪
1712
01:38:58,440 --> 01:39:02,236
♪ And I write the songs ♪
1713
01:39:15,499 --> 01:39:18,043
So much of the conversation
about my father,
1714
01:39:18,127 --> 01:39:20,462
you know, there are a...
1715
01:39:20,546 --> 01:39:23,257
Just a few artists
that defined his career.
1716
01:39:23,340 --> 01:39:27,386
People talk about Joplin and Springsteen
and those early culture changing moments.
1717
01:39:27,469 --> 01:39:30,055
But, invariably,
people talk about Whitney,
1718
01:39:30,139 --> 01:39:33,350
and the success
that they soared to together.
1719
01:39:35,227 --> 01:39:40,024
In the world, he was the only person
1720
01:39:40,107 --> 01:39:42,276
that she really believed...
1721
01:39:43,319 --> 01:39:44,904
knew the answers.
1722
01:39:45,779 --> 01:39:48,365
Even when she would fight with him,
1723
01:39:48,449 --> 01:39:50,492
even when she didn't want to record.
1724
01:39:50,576 --> 01:39:53,287
Even when she didn't
like anybody that day,
1725
01:39:53,370 --> 01:39:55,664
she believed in him 100%.
1726
01:39:57,708 --> 01:39:59,418
He treated her like a daughter.
You know?
1727
01:39:59,501 --> 01:40:03,339
So she became like a member of
our family, 'cause how he treated her.
1728
01:40:04,298 --> 01:40:07,927
Without a doubt. I mean,
the deepest relationship that Clive had
1729
01:40:08,010 --> 01:40:12,932
with any artist was with Whitney, you
know, there was unprecedented success.
1730
01:40:13,015 --> 01:40:15,684
You know, like, finding her
when she was still a teenager.
1731
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:19,813
And, you know, kind of going on
this unbelievable ride.
1732
01:40:20,773 --> 01:40:23,108
And then of course,
you know, the downfall.
1733
01:40:24,652 --> 01:40:27,529
Something that was very difficult
for Clive to understand.
1734
01:40:28,739 --> 01:40:30,658
Your name's been
in the headlines in association
1735
01:40:30,741 --> 01:40:34,662
with a rather bizarre few months
surrounding Whitney Houston.
1736
01:40:35,537 --> 01:40:37,998
Allegations that there are
substance abuse problems.
1737
01:40:38,082 --> 01:40:39,917
Have you talked to her
about it, point blank?
1738
01:40:40,417 --> 01:40:45,089
I have never talked to her about anything
other than her professional career.
1739
01:40:45,172 --> 01:40:48,926
And, with respect to her
professional career, she is at the top.
1740
01:40:51,804 --> 01:40:54,598
We have this thing of denial,
kind of, in our family.
1741
01:40:56,267 --> 01:40:59,770
He didn't really want to know
what she was doing.
1742
01:41:01,272 --> 01:41:03,083
You know, to this day,
if you talk to Clive about Whitney,
1743
01:41:03,107 --> 01:41:04,984
he'll talk about her smoking.
1744
01:41:05,067 --> 01:41:07,444
It was always smoking.
Stop smoking and stuff.
1745
01:41:07,528 --> 01:41:09,655
But that's how he coped with it.
1746
01:41:09,738 --> 01:41:12,992
He couldn't believe
his little girl did this.
1747
01:41:13,075 --> 01:41:15,512
I mean, I remember when I went
to interview her for Rolling Stone
1748
01:41:15,536 --> 01:41:17,454
and she was smoking.
I thought, like,
1749
01:41:17,538 --> 01:41:19,957
"Man, you have that voice
and you're smoking?"
1750
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:22,126
I mean, that struck me as...
1751
01:41:22,209 --> 01:41:24,336
You know, there's a line
from W.H. Auden like,
1752
01:41:24,420 --> 01:41:28,132
"A crack in the rim of a teacup
leads to the land of the dead."
1753
01:41:28,215 --> 01:41:30,175
And that was the crack in the teacup.
1754
01:41:31,552 --> 01:41:34,972
So much of what you hear
was rumors and gossip.
1755
01:41:35,055 --> 01:41:36,974
When he would go,
and he would engage her,
1756
01:41:37,057 --> 01:41:38,934
he wouldn't necessarily see that.
1757
01:41:39,435 --> 01:41:42,479
He was seen, by her,
as this industry father figure.
1758
01:41:42,563 --> 01:41:46,608
And so any time that
she came to see him,
1759
01:41:46,692 --> 01:41:49,778
she would put on her best clothing.
1760
01:41:49,862 --> 01:41:52,823
She'd make herself up.
She'd get her hair done.
1761
01:41:52,906 --> 01:41:56,827
She'd walk in with the smile of a woman
1762
01:41:56,910 --> 01:42:00,372
looking to please, you know,
that type of person in her life.
1763
01:42:00,456 --> 01:42:03,000
So he would always see her at her best.
1764
01:42:03,083 --> 01:42:04,543
Since the Grammy performance
1765
01:42:04,626 --> 01:42:07,212
is starting off
with this stuff, I think it's okay.
1766
01:42:07,296 --> 01:42:09,715
And with Clive,
he kept her right there,
1767
01:42:09,798 --> 01:42:11,967
particularly with the music.
1768
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:16,805
He provided a lot of structure that,
you know, was the challenging part.
1769
01:42:16,889 --> 01:42:19,933
You know, his expectations,
his standards, were very high.
1770
01:42:20,017 --> 01:42:22,603
And she met those standards
when she worked with him.
1771
01:42:22,686 --> 01:42:25,272
Yeah.
1772
01:42:25,356 --> 01:42:27,691
Gossip surrounding
Houston's alleged drug abuse
1773
01:42:27,775 --> 01:42:29,318
has followed her for weeks.
1774
01:42:29,401 --> 01:42:32,029
You know, the tough thing is,
nobody really knows what's going on.
1775
01:42:32,821 --> 01:42:35,491
In the middle of tabloidal stories,
1776
01:42:35,574 --> 01:42:38,786
chronicling a tumultuous marriage,
1777
01:42:38,869 --> 01:42:43,457
speculating as to the degree
of mutual drug use.
1778
01:42:44,750 --> 01:42:46,001
And was I active?
1779
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:49,463
At this point, I had to be.
1780
01:42:50,506 --> 01:42:53,634
Bobby, for some infraction, was in jail.
1781
01:42:53,717 --> 01:42:56,678
And behind the scenes,
I got his agreement
1782
01:42:56,762 --> 01:42:59,348
that he would go into rehab
if she did.
1783
01:43:00,766 --> 01:43:02,893
So I invited her to this home.
1784
01:43:03,936 --> 01:43:06,980
She came with her daughter.
With her aunt.
1785
01:43:07,064 --> 01:43:10,275
And after dinner, I said,
"You know, we should talk.
1786
01:43:10,359 --> 01:43:12,236
Because you've always
been there for me.
1787
01:43:12,319 --> 01:43:15,656
We've had an incredible
professional life together.
1788
01:43:16,824 --> 01:43:21,078
It's unmistakable,
now, that you're fighting drugs.
1789
01:43:22,037 --> 01:43:25,124
Whitney, you won't win this battle."
1790
01:43:27,668 --> 01:43:29,962
She sat there, and gauged me.
1791
01:43:30,838 --> 01:43:33,132
She said,
"It's not as bad as you think.
1792
01:43:33,841 --> 01:43:35,426
It's occasional use.
1793
01:43:36,385 --> 01:43:38,762
I'm not ready to do that."
1794
01:43:38,846 --> 01:43:40,097
She didn't deny it.
1795
01:43:41,265 --> 01:43:42,766
But...
1796
01:43:42,850 --> 01:43:45,686
She had not sunken to that level
that I imagine
1797
01:43:45,769 --> 01:43:50,482
that the addicted have to sink to
in order to get help to save themselves.
1798
01:43:53,068 --> 01:43:55,737
And so that did fall on deaf ears.
1799
01:43:56,822 --> 01:43:59,867
After years now of rumors,
and silence on her part,
1800
01:43:59,950 --> 01:44:02,619
about the cancellations,
erratic behavior,
1801
01:44:02,703 --> 01:44:04,121
her explosive marriage,
1802
01:44:04,204 --> 01:44:07,749
and the headlines that she was
near death because of drug use,
1803
01:44:07,833 --> 01:44:09,626
or partying, as she calls it.
1804
01:44:10,335 --> 01:44:14,173
The last time most of us saw her,
the Michael Jackson concert.
1805
01:44:15,424 --> 01:44:17,593
I come to Madison Square Garden.
1806
01:44:18,635 --> 01:44:20,596
And she came on stage...
1807
01:44:22,681 --> 01:44:24,391
and I literally gasped.
1808
01:44:26,143 --> 01:44:28,103
She was near being a skeleton.
1809
01:44:28,187 --> 01:44:29,897
I couldn't believe my eyes.
1810
01:44:32,065 --> 01:44:34,234
And I could barely watch her.
1811
01:44:35,319 --> 01:44:36,612
I was heartsick.
1812
01:44:39,406 --> 01:44:43,619
It was very hard
for Clive to understand...
1813
01:44:45,162 --> 01:44:46,663
Whitney's descent.
1814
01:44:46,747 --> 01:44:51,335
You know, Clive loves his life,
you know, he has this incredible energy,
1815
01:44:51,418 --> 01:44:53,128
to this day,
1816
01:44:53,212 --> 01:44:57,174
you know, about being Clive Davis,
day in and day out.
1817
01:44:57,257 --> 01:45:00,511
So, why you would essentially
want to destroy yourself?
1818
01:45:01,929 --> 01:45:04,723
I don't think that
that made any sense to him.
1819
01:45:07,226 --> 01:45:09,186
"My dear, dear Whitney.
1820
01:45:09,269 --> 01:45:11,021
The time has come.
1821
01:45:11,104 --> 01:45:16,193
Of course I know that your
power of denial is in overdrive.
1822
01:45:17,069 --> 01:45:20,447
I join your mother
in pleading with you
1823
01:45:20,531 --> 01:45:23,575
to face up to the truth now.
Right now.
1824
01:45:25,077 --> 01:45:26,703
You need help.
1825
01:45:26,787 --> 01:45:28,580
And it must begin now.
1826
01:45:29,831 --> 01:45:35,379
I will stand by you with love and caring
to see you through it...
1827
01:45:36,588 --> 01:45:40,050
to newfound peace and happiness,
1828
01:45:40,133 --> 01:45:45,180
to inspire the rest of the world.
Love, Clive."
1829
01:45:50,269 --> 01:45:54,773
So we segue... to 2004.
1830
01:45:54,856 --> 01:45:58,318
I was called by
the Princess Grace Foundation,
1831
01:45:58,402 --> 01:46:00,195
that at the World Music Awards,
1832
01:46:00,279 --> 01:46:04,825
they would like to present me
with their Lifetime Achievement Award.
1833
01:46:05,534 --> 01:46:08,120
And I get this call
the day before that.
1834
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:11,248
From Whitney.
1835
01:46:12,249 --> 01:46:17,588
And she said, "Clive. How could you
accept this award without my being there?"
1836
01:46:17,671 --> 01:46:18,922
I said, "Whitney...
1837
01:46:19,673 --> 01:46:21,091
the last time I saw you...
1838
01:46:22,551 --> 01:46:23,927
you were a skeleton."
1839
01:46:24,595 --> 01:46:27,556
She said, "Clive,
I'm looking much better.
1840
01:46:27,639 --> 01:46:31,268
I'm still a little thin,
but I'm looking much better.
1841
01:46:32,477 --> 01:46:34,021
And vocally, I could do it."
1842
01:46:34,813 --> 01:46:36,481
I said,
"Okay, look. I'll tell you what.
1843
01:46:36,565 --> 01:46:40,110
I don't know what you look like.
I don't know what you sound like.
1844
01:46:40,736 --> 01:46:43,947
If you're up to it,
I'll make arrangements."
1845
01:46:44,781 --> 01:46:46,950
We all know...
1846
01:46:47,034 --> 01:46:49,119
in our industry...
1847
01:46:49,202 --> 01:46:54,666
the artists, the songwriters,
the producers, the executives.
1848
01:46:54,750 --> 01:46:58,920
Ladies and gentlemen,
the best singer in the world today,
1849
01:46:59,004 --> 01:47:01,381
Ms. Whitney Houston.
1850
01:47:09,389 --> 01:47:12,768
As soon as she was introduced,
and started singing...
1851
01:47:15,020 --> 01:47:17,898
coming out of the darkness,
you could barely see her...
1852
01:47:18,982 --> 01:47:21,068
and coming forward slowly...
1853
01:47:27,199 --> 01:47:29,409
and the fans went nuts.
1854
01:47:29,493 --> 01:47:31,495
They couldn't believe their eyes.
1855
01:47:33,372 --> 01:47:38,085
♪ I believe in dreams again ♪
1856
01:47:40,128 --> 01:47:43,757
♪ I believe that love
Will never end ♪
1857
01:47:45,342 --> 01:47:50,639
♪ And like the river
Finds the sea ♪
1858
01:47:51,682 --> 01:47:55,060
♪ I was lost ♪
1859
01:47:58,855 --> 01:48:01,066
♪ Now I'm free ♪
1860
01:48:02,484 --> 01:48:05,654
♪ 'Cause I believe in you ♪
1861
01:48:06,697 --> 01:48:08,907
♪ And me ♪
1862
01:48:08,990 --> 01:48:10,742
She went to rehab.
1863
01:48:10,826 --> 01:48:14,496
You know, and she saw
how helpful it was to her.
1864
01:48:14,579 --> 01:48:18,542
She was trying to get herself together.
It was a struggle, but she was doing it.
1865
01:48:19,251 --> 01:48:22,963
♪ I was lost ♪
1866
01:48:25,048 --> 01:48:28,593
♪ But now I'm
I'm free ♪
1867
01:48:32,889 --> 01:48:34,641
♪ 'Cause I ♪
1868
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:37,811
♪ I do believe in you ♪
1869
01:48:40,480 --> 01:48:45,527
♪ And me ♪
1870
01:48:48,071 --> 01:48:50,407
And that's the way
that I remember Whitney.
1871
01:48:57,622 --> 01:48:58,999
911, emergency.
1872
01:48:59,082 --> 01:49:01,269
Hi, how are you doing? This is
security from The Beverly Hilton.
1873
01:49:01,293 --> 01:49:02,603
- What's going on?
- I need some paramedics.
1874
01:49:02,627 --> 01:49:05,464
Apparently, we have a 46-year-old
female, found in a bathroom.
1875
01:49:05,547 --> 01:49:06,757
That's all I've got right now.
1876
01:49:07,632 --> 01:49:09,468
I know that Whitney never...
1877
01:49:11,219 --> 01:49:13,972
intended to leave so early.
1878
01:49:15,140 --> 01:49:17,184
We all thought that she had beat it.
1879
01:49:18,435 --> 01:49:20,061
And she obviously didn't.
1880
01:49:23,523 --> 01:49:24,691
Singer Whitney Houston,
1881
01:49:24,775 --> 01:49:28,069
one of the greatest voices
of our generation, has died.
1882
01:49:28,153 --> 01:49:30,363
Whitney Houston
was supposed to be staying here
1883
01:49:30,447 --> 01:49:34,117
for her mentor Clive Davis's
famous pre-Grammy party.
1884
01:49:34,451 --> 01:49:36,119
Instead, this is where she died.
1885
01:49:36,203 --> 01:49:37,496
And as Hollywood mourns,
1886
01:49:37,579 --> 01:49:40,248
investigators are now
trying to piece together
1887
01:49:40,332 --> 01:49:42,751
the star's final moments.
1888
01:49:42,834 --> 01:49:47,380
She was extremely happy
leading up to that day.
1889
01:49:48,799 --> 01:49:50,967
But she was also very disturbed.
1890
01:49:53,053 --> 01:49:54,346
And I knew that.
1891
01:49:57,015 --> 01:49:58,266
I knew that.
1892
01:49:59,976 --> 01:50:03,522
I was informed about this
just a few hours...
1893
01:50:04,773 --> 01:50:06,608
before my dinner.
1894
01:50:06,691 --> 01:50:10,946
I literally, obviously, went into shock.
1895
01:50:12,531 --> 01:50:16,827
And I tried to determine
what would be the right thing to do.
1896
01:50:19,538 --> 01:50:22,332
Everything stopped.
So everyone was wondering, like...
1897
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:28,213
Will the pre-Grammy go on?
Hell, will the Grammys go on?
1898
01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:34,928
There was a tremendous amount of scrutiny.
My father was not able to mourn privately.
1899
01:50:38,306 --> 01:50:42,018
We got in the limousine, we turn
on the TV as we're going to the party,
1900
01:50:42,769 --> 01:50:46,314
and there's a helicopter view of us
in the limousine on CNN.
1901
01:50:47,399 --> 01:50:49,526
You know, you're in the car, looking up.
1902
01:50:49,609 --> 01:50:51,111
It was very surreal.
1903
01:50:51,194 --> 01:50:53,905
I saw tears behind the closed door.
1904
01:50:53,989 --> 01:50:58,243
But he had to wipe them away and
head out under the glare of the cameras.
1905
01:51:01,788 --> 01:51:04,249
You know,
I saw real strength of character,
1906
01:51:04,332 --> 01:51:07,794
to compose himself
and be a leader of other people.
1907
01:51:09,296 --> 01:51:12,799
I felt... that the show must go on.
1908
01:51:13,925 --> 01:51:17,512
I felt, in the tradition
of music and show business...
1909
01:51:18,972 --> 01:51:20,765
that the show does go on.
1910
01:51:20,849 --> 01:51:22,934
Whitney was there for that show.
1911
01:51:23,852 --> 01:51:25,812
Loved it.
1912
01:51:25,896 --> 01:51:27,939
She would want it to go on.
1913
01:51:30,233 --> 01:51:31,443
So...
1914
01:51:32,152 --> 01:51:33,862
By now, sadly...
1915
01:51:35,071 --> 01:51:39,034
you've all learned
of the unspeakably tragic news
1916
01:51:40,118 --> 01:51:42,495
of our beloved Whitney's passing.
1917
01:51:43,872 --> 01:51:47,709
I don't have to mask my emotions.
1918
01:51:48,752 --> 01:51:50,879
Not in front of this room...
1919
01:51:51,963 --> 01:51:54,299
full of so many dear friends.
1920
01:51:56,051 --> 01:51:58,845
I do have a very heavy heart.
1921
01:51:59,846 --> 01:52:03,266
And I am personally devastated
1922
01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:08,855
by the loss of someone who has meant
so much to me for so many years.
1923
01:52:09,773 --> 01:52:12,126
You know, I think a lot of people,
you know, that were there,
1924
01:52:12,150 --> 01:52:14,694
they felt really weird
about what was going on,
1925
01:52:14,778 --> 01:52:16,988
but it was something
that we had to deal with.
1926
01:52:17,072 --> 01:52:19,908
And we wound up,
because of Clive dealing with it
1927
01:52:19,991 --> 01:52:21,743
as a musical family, all together.
1928
01:52:23,954 --> 01:52:27,832
When I found out in the news today,
I was literally in a state of shock.
1929
01:52:28,833 --> 01:52:31,002
You know,
I immediately thought about...
1930
01:52:33,630 --> 01:52:35,840
her mother, Cissy, her father...
1931
01:52:37,592 --> 01:52:40,303
her daughter, her family, her friends.
1932
01:52:42,055 --> 01:52:43,598
And Clive Davis.
1933
01:52:45,016 --> 01:52:48,645
It's rare in this industry that you get
somebody to really ride with you.
1934
01:52:50,522 --> 01:52:53,233
Imagine going through some
ups and downs like that.
1935
01:52:53,316 --> 01:52:55,944
And having somebody stand by your side
1936
01:52:56,027 --> 01:52:58,905
when the whole world
is turning their back on you.
1937
01:53:01,449 --> 01:53:03,118
Somebody that believes in you.
1938
01:53:04,285 --> 01:53:06,645
Somebody that's gonna be there for you
in your darkest hour.
1939
01:53:07,372 --> 01:53:09,582
That's the type of man Clive Davis is.
1940
01:53:26,725 --> 01:53:29,102
♪ Yeah ♪
1941
01:53:33,815 --> 01:53:35,400
♪ I believe ♪
1942
01:53:36,818 --> 01:53:40,572
♪ That children are our future ♪
1943
01:53:43,992 --> 01:53:47,037
♪ Teach them well and ♪
1944
01:53:48,204 --> 01:53:51,458
♪ Let them lead the way ♪
1945
01:53:51,541 --> 01:53:56,254
The loss of Whitney came about
as suddenly as the loss of my parents.
1946
01:53:57,464 --> 01:53:59,799
And profoundly reminded me
1947
01:53:59,883 --> 01:54:02,719
how quickly and immediately
1948
01:54:02,802 --> 01:54:07,557
vitally important people in your life
can just disappear.
1949
01:54:10,852 --> 01:54:16,107
Perhaps being orphaned in life,
substantially deepened the impact
1950
01:54:16,191 --> 01:54:19,152
when Whitney
was abruptly taken away from us.
1951
01:54:21,529 --> 01:54:24,115
♪ We used to be ♪
1952
01:54:26,201 --> 01:54:29,579
♪ Everybody's searching
For a hero ♪
1953
01:54:30,663 --> 01:54:34,376
♪ People need
Someone to look up to ♪
1954
01:54:35,043 --> 01:54:38,671
Clive loves his artists,
he believes in his artists,
1955
01:54:38,755 --> 01:54:41,591
he believes in himself,
which is important.
1956
01:54:43,093 --> 01:54:45,678
All of the people
that were discovered and signed,
1957
01:54:45,762 --> 01:54:49,057
and all of the songs,
all of the celebration.
1958
01:54:49,808 --> 01:54:56,022
You know, it all stems from
that authentic love of music
1959
01:54:56,523 --> 01:54:59,943
and of the people who create it
and perform it.
1960
01:55:01,152 --> 01:55:05,240
You know, what's important is,
really, I guess, at the end of the day,
1961
01:55:05,323 --> 01:55:07,867
did you have a good time
doing what you did?
1962
01:55:07,951 --> 01:55:11,204
I'm not sure anybody loves
what they do more than Clive.
1963
01:55:12,038 --> 01:55:14,558
He kinda has this certain movement
that he does with his finger.
1964
01:55:16,042 --> 01:55:18,795
When he likes stuff,
or when it's coming to the climax.
1965
01:55:18,878 --> 01:55:23,258
♪ Because the greatest ♪
1966
01:55:25,260 --> 01:55:26,719
♪ Love of all ♪
1967
01:55:26,803 --> 01:55:29,931
At the end of the day, it's very small.
1968
01:55:30,014 --> 01:55:32,016
It's that original love of music.
1969
01:55:32,100 --> 01:55:35,895
It's the Broadway shows
that he went to as a kid.
1970
01:55:35,979 --> 01:55:37,647
That connection.
1971
01:55:37,730 --> 01:55:39,816
That's really what it's about for him.
1972
01:55:40,525 --> 01:55:43,027
He understands
it all comes down to a song.
1973
01:55:43,111 --> 01:55:45,071
That's his world.
He's a music man.
1974
01:55:45,613 --> 01:55:47,282
And that's what he lives for.
1975
01:55:47,699 --> 01:55:50,910
♪ The greatest ♪
1976
01:55:50,994 --> 01:55:54,038
♪ Love of all ♪
1977
01:55:58,084 --> 01:55:59,961
Clive loves the process.
1978
01:56:00,044 --> 01:56:04,591
In love with the process today as he was
when I first met him all those years ago.
1979
01:56:04,674 --> 01:56:08,511
He's in love with this business,
and that's why he'll never give it up.
1980
01:56:09,304 --> 01:56:11,764
This is an artist that I believe in.
1981
01:56:12,223 --> 01:56:14,726
Let me introduce you to Avery Wilson.
1982
01:56:17,270 --> 01:56:20,982
You know, it takes a very special
person, at 80-some years old,
1983
01:56:21,065 --> 01:56:24,527
to do the day-to-day that he does.
1984
01:56:24,611 --> 01:56:25,695
I give him a lot of credit.
1985
01:56:26,738 --> 01:56:30,492
Clive will never, ever retire.
He'll never leave music.
1986
01:56:30,575 --> 01:56:33,912
He's gonna be in his office,
until the wee hours of the morning,
1987
01:56:34,746 --> 01:56:37,248
"Bring the guitar up."
1988
01:56:37,332 --> 01:56:38,917
"Let's bring the vocal down."
1989
01:56:39,667 --> 01:56:42,295
The idea that this gift of music,
1990
01:56:42,378 --> 01:56:47,717
that I never expected to be part
of my life, became my passion.
1991
01:56:47,800 --> 01:56:49,052
I'm blessed.
1992
01:56:49,594 --> 01:56:51,763
And truly, so gratified.
1993
01:56:52,764 --> 01:56:56,851
And the best achievement in life
is to love your work.
1994
01:56:56,935 --> 01:57:00,021
There is no greater reward,
to not count hours,
1995
01:57:00,104 --> 01:57:01,981
not to work nine to five,
1996
01:57:02,065 --> 01:57:05,485
not when it's midnight
or 2:00 a.m. and you're still working,
1997
01:57:05,568 --> 01:57:07,946
and know that you're energized by it.
1998
01:57:09,155 --> 01:57:15,245
For me, he stood for everything I wanted
to be if I was going to be successful.
1999
01:57:15,328 --> 01:57:17,872
He's either introduced
us to more artists,
2000
01:57:17,956 --> 01:57:23,503
more songwriters, more songs,
than any other person.
2001
01:57:23,586 --> 01:57:25,588
Ever. Ever. In music.
2002
01:57:26,005 --> 01:57:27,840
It's love, baby.
2003
01:57:27,924 --> 01:57:31,594
You do the thing that you really
love to do and you carry on.
2004
01:57:32,345 --> 01:57:33,805
Well let's put it this way.
2005
01:57:34,806 --> 01:57:37,308
Five years ago, Jay-Z,
2006
01:57:37,392 --> 01:57:39,894
who would have thought
that you would have retired before me?
2007
01:57:49,404 --> 01:57:51,531
♪ Find your, find your ♪
2008
01:57:51,614 --> 01:57:54,492
♪ Your strength ♪
2009
01:57:58,329 --> 01:58:00,873
♪ In ♪
2010
01:58:17,390 --> 01:58:21,477
♪ In love ♪
2011
01:58:41,748 --> 01:58:43,916
♪ Busted flat in Baton Rouge ♪
2012
01:58:44,792 --> 01:58:46,753
♪ Waitin' for a train ♪
2013
01:58:46,836 --> 01:58:50,757
♪ And I was feelin' near as faded
as my jeans ♪
2014
01:58:52,550 --> 01:58:55,428
♪ Bobby thumbed a diesel down ♪
2015
01:58:55,511 --> 01:58:57,847
♪ Just before it rained ♪
2016
01:58:57,930 --> 01:59:01,434
♪ It rode us all the way
To New Orleans ♪
2017
01:59:03,019 --> 01:59:05,313
♪ I pulled my harpoon ♪
2018
01:59:05,396 --> 01:59:08,274
♪ Out of my dirty red bandana ♪
2019
01:59:08,358 --> 01:59:12,987
♪ I was playin' soft while Bobby
Sang the blues, yeah ♪
2020
01:59:13,863 --> 01:59:16,240
♪ Windshield wipers
Slappin' time ♪
2021
01:59:16,324 --> 01:59:19,077
♪ I was holdin'
Bobby's hand in mine ♪
2022
01:59:19,160 --> 01:59:22,246
♪ We sang every song
That driver knew ♪
2023
01:59:24,457 --> 01:59:29,003
♪ Freedom's just another word
For nothin' left to lose ♪
2024
01:59:29,629 --> 01:59:33,174
♪ Nothin', don't mean nothin',
hon if it ain't free ♪
2025
01:59:33,257 --> 01:59:34,425
♪ No, no ♪
2026
01:59:34,509 --> 01:59:37,679
♪ And, feelin' good was easy, Lord ♪
2027
01:59:37,762 --> 01:59:39,597
♪ When he sang the blues ♪
2028
01:59:39,681 --> 01:59:43,184
♪ You know, feelin' good
Was good enough for me ♪
2029
01:59:45,395 --> 01:59:48,648
♪ Good enough for me
And my Bobby McGee ♪
2030
01:59:52,860 --> 01:59:55,405
♪ From the Kentucky coal mine ♪
2031
01:59:55,488 --> 01:59:57,990
♪ To the California sun ♪
2032
01:59:58,074 --> 02:00:01,786
♪ There Bobby shared the secrets
Of my soul ♪
2033
02:00:03,204 --> 02:00:05,832
♪ Through all kinds of weather ♪
2034
02:00:05,915 --> 02:00:08,334
♪ Through everything we done ♪
2035
02:00:08,418 --> 02:00:11,754
♪ Yeah, Bobby baby
Kept me from the cold ♪
2036
02:00:13,423 --> 02:00:16,259
♪ One day up near Salinas, Lord ♪
2037
02:00:16,342 --> 02:00:18,302
♪ I let him slip away... ♪
2038
02:00:31,858 --> 02:00:34,569
♪ I just want you close ♪
2039
02:00:38,156 --> 02:00:41,367
♪ Where you can stay forever ♪
2040
02:00:43,077 --> 02:00:47,165
♪ You can be sure ♪
2041
02:00:48,791 --> 02:00:51,919
♪ That it will only get better ♪
2042
02:00:53,129 --> 02:00:55,590
♪ You and me together ♪
2043
02:00:55,673 --> 02:00:58,092
♪ Through the days and nights ♪
2044
02:00:58,176 --> 02:01:00,011
♪ I don't worry 'cause ♪
2045
02:01:00,094 --> 02:01:02,764
♪ Everything's gonna be all right ♪
2046
02:01:03,806 --> 02:01:05,892
♪ People keep talking ♪
2047
02:01:05,975 --> 02:01:08,227
♪ They can say what they like ♪
2048
02:01:08,978 --> 02:01:10,605
♪ But all I know is ♪
2049
02:01:10,688 --> 02:01:13,357
♪ Everything's gonna be all right ♪
2050
02:01:13,941 --> 02:01:19,572
♪ And no one, no one, no one ♪
2051
02:01:20,406 --> 02:01:24,744
♪ Can get in the way
Of what I'm feeling ♪
2052
02:01:24,827 --> 02:01:29,832
♪ No one, no one, no one ♪
2053
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:35,546
♪ Can get in the way
Of what I feel for you ♪
2054
02:01:36,631 --> 02:01:39,133
♪ You ♪
2055
02:01:39,217 --> 02:01:41,803
♪ You ♪
2056
02:01:41,886 --> 02:01:46,224
♪ Can get in the way of what
I feel for you ♪
2057
02:01:46,307 --> 02:01:51,395
♪ When the rain is pouring down ♪
2058
02:01:53,022 --> 02:01:56,234
♪ And my heart is hurting ♪
2059
02:01:57,109 --> 02:02:01,989
♪ You will always be around ♪
2060
02:02:03,616 --> 02:02:07,119
♪ This I know for certain ♪
2061
02:02:07,745 --> 02:02:10,248
♪ You and me together ♪
2062
02:02:10,331 --> 02:02:12,875
♪ Through the days and nights ♪
2063
02:02:12,959 --> 02:02:14,669
♪ I don't worry 'cause ♪
2064
02:02:14,752 --> 02:02:17,630
♪ Everything's gonna be
All right ♪
2065
02:02:18,464 --> 02:02:20,550
♪ People keep talking ♪
2066
02:02:20,633 --> 02:02:22,718
♪ They can say what they like ♪
2067
02:02:23,594 --> 02:02:25,221
♪ But all I know is ♪
2068
02:02:25,304 --> 02:02:28,516
♪ Everything's gonna be all right ♪
2069
02:02:28,599 --> 02:02:34,188
♪ No one, no one, no one ♪
2070
02:02:35,147 --> 02:02:39,318
♪ Can get in the way of what
I'm feeling ♪
2071
02:02:39,402 --> 02:02:44,699
♪ No one, no one, no one ♪
2072
02:02:45,867 --> 02:02:50,162
♪ Can get in the way of what
I feel for you ♪
2073
02:02:51,247 --> 02:02:53,791
♪ You ♪
2074
02:02:53,875 --> 02:02:56,335
♪ You ♪
2075
02:02:56,419 --> 02:02:59,714
♪ Can get in the way of what
I feel ♪
2076
02:02:59,797 --> 02:03:04,886
♪ I know some people
Search the world ♪
2077
02:03:04,969 --> 02:03:07,096
♪ To find ♪
2078
02:03:07,179 --> 02:03:10,391
♪ Something like what we have ♪
2079
02:03:10,474 --> 02:03:13,853
♪ I know people will try ♪
2080
02:03:13,936 --> 02:03:17,857
♪ Try to divide
Something so real ♪
2081
02:03:17,940 --> 02:03:19,650
♪ So till the end of time ♪
2082
02:03:19,734 --> 02:03:23,112
♪ I'm telling you
That in the world ♪
2083
02:03:23,195 --> 02:03:27,450
♪ No one, no one ♪
2084
02:03:28,534 --> 02:03:32,538
♪ Can get in the way of what
I'm feeling ♪
2085
02:03:32,622 --> 02:03:38,169
♪ No one, no one, no one ♪
2086
02:03:39,128 --> 02:03:44,216
♪ Can get in the way of what
I feel for you ♪
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