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But paradise was lost

when the sanctuary Sophie created
became the location
of her brutal death.

Now her family must remember not only
her spirit and her dreams
here in Cork,

but her murder too.

...Mary, full of grace, the Lord
is with thee. Blessed art thou
among women.

If the murderer
keeps living like everybody else,

I will have done nothing
for my daughter.

Each year
up to now, Sophie's family

have travelled to West Cork
to remember her, but this year,

Georges and Marguerite Bouniol
have begun a new campaign.

Launching The Association for Truth
About the Murder
of Sophie Toscan du Plantier,

the new association says
despite the complexities

of different legal systems
in Europe, everyone should recognise

that victims' families
have universal rights.

(ENGLISHMAN)"Juvenalis,
the Roman satirist,

"is reported to have first
asked and answered the question,

"'quis custodiet ipsos custodes?'"

"'Who was there to guard
the guardians but themselves?'"

"Indeed, for the first 64 years
of their existence
in the Irish police force,

"An Garda Síochana held a monopoly
on both self-discipline

"and the investigation
of complaints."

"The answer to the question
of who now guards the guardians,

"in relation to police forces
in Ireland
and other democratic states,

"is the statutory police complaints
authority, be it a board,

"commission, ombudsman or hybrid
variant as is the case in Ireland."

This was my Masters thesis,

for which I received
a 72% markage on,

which is almost unheard of.

So in 2012,

two years after he got
that law degree from Cork University

and 16 years after being accused
of the murder of Sophie,

Bailey lodged a complaint
against the conduct
of the murder investigation

and began building his own civil case
against the Irish state.

The story or narrative
that the Irish police tell

differs significantly from the way
Ian Bailey and Jules Thomas tell it.

'Well, I was in a kind of quandary
for a certain stage,

'just looking for somebody
I could write to, you know?'

I was feeling the human rights
were really violated,

so I thought of writing
to Mary Robinson.

She was President. So I said,

"My name is Jules Thomas,
partner to Ian Bailey."

"You may be aware of our case."

"Ian and myself have both
been arrested twice

"and taken for 12 hours' questioning
by detectives
at Bandon Garda station."

"No charge has been made."

The fucking damage that these.
(BEEP)did to our lives

and these fuckers in Guard-blue
fucking uniforms went around...

And this is provable if you check
with the DPP's 2001 critique,

he talks about it.
They went around telling everybody.

And if anybody actually was saying,
"Hang on a second,

"I've known Ian Bailey
for a long while now.
He might be a bit of a bollocks,

"he might be this, he's a bad poet,
but I don't believe
he murdered this woman,"

the Guards became actively hostile
to that point of view.

So we took on the state of Ireland
in a civil action.

I won't say I'm sick and tired
of banging on and complaining,

but I've done everything I could
within my bailiwick

over the period of 22 years
to try to do whatever I could

to clear my name or to highlight
the shenanigans that have gone on.

Actually, apparently
I've been accused of not protesting
my innocence enough.

Well, that's a lot of bollocks.

The libel case,
it was admitted in court

that the Guards had actually
fed information to the newspapers

trying to perpetuate the idea
that Ian was the murderer.

The admittance in open court
that the newspapers

had been fed this information
by the Guards,

that was enough for us to say,
"Right, these are the people
we can now attack."

Anyway...

Ian Bailey
and his partner Jules Thomas

arriving at court this morning
with Mr Bailey's solicitor

for the start of his action
against the state.

He claims he was wrongly arrested

in relation to the murder
of French film-maker
Sophie Toscan du Plantier.

His lawyers told the court
he will allege

that Gardai told everyone
in the community he was guilty

and that as a result, his life has
been a misery for the last 18 years.

He said this was not just
a case for damages,

it was for the jury
to look at the Garda investigation

and decide if this was how
it should've been conducted

by the people we entrust
to uphold the law.
The state denies all the claims.

They denied everything, actually.

Just flat denial
was their modus operandi.

Warnings issued by the Gardai as to
the alleged danger presented
by Bailey to the community.

In a report submitted to this office
on 26th February 1997

for the purpose of a consultation,
the Gardai stated the following.

"One, it is of the utmost importance
that Bailey be charged immediately

with this murder as there is every
possibility he will kill again."

Well, they said this to the DPP.

I mean, they didn't make any bones
about it.

They said,
"We need an immediate arrest

"because this man will kill again."
It wasn't just to witnesses
they said this, but to the DPP.

After a certain point,

they just were harassing us.

Like, they didn't have
any more questions to ask

and we didn't have anything more
to add.

We didn't think he'd done it.
The Guards are saying,
"We know he did it."

"We KNOW he did it!"
I mean, how appalling is that?!

Like, lots of people would believe
the Guards.

Their friends fell away, because
every time they were meeting
with friends and stuff like that,

the Guards would call round the next
day and want, like, a full interview
and not leave people alone.

It was quite cruel.

The Guards went round to them
and pestered them constantly,

so much
that they stopped coming near us.

I mean... quite heartbreaking
losing some friends.

So Marie, you were driving here
from Goleen to Schull.

That's right.
And YOU were driving?

-Yes.
-And there was a passenger,
somebody where I am, yeah?

Yes.
OK.

And yous were driving along here
and you'd seen no cars

and then in your headlights
coming up towards the bridge,

here at this turn, you saw somebody.
Yeah. There was a man just here.

Just pull in here.
-Just here?
-Yeah.

OK. So you know this is the turn
-to Sophie's?
-No, I didn't know that.

The only place he could
be coming from was Sophie's

-or some house up this way.
-OK.
But he could've been just a drunk.

-He could've been, yeah.
-You know?
But you think it was

the man that was outside your shop?
Definitely. I can still see him.

I can still see him
across the road from the shop

even though now it's, what,
nearly 24 years later.

Nearly like
Middle-Eastern colouring.

It's amazing to me that the police
didn't draw an identikit
of this guy.

Yeah, no, they never asked
to do that. It was like...

...they had their man, but they
had to build the case around him.

The person that she said she saw
was described as being
about 5-foot 8, 5-foot 9 in height

and over subsequent statements
to the Gardai,

that person's height
went from 5'8, 5'9

to 5'10, 6 foot,
to someone being very tall.

And what's significant about that is
Ian Bailey is, I think, 6'3.
He's a very tall man.

And anyone who would see Ian Bailey
could not confuse him
for standing at 5'8.

Tanned, sallow-skinned...

Tanned, sallow skin,

a long thing face.
This description by Marie Farrell

in her very first statement
of the man outside her shop

is what alerted the DPP
to the contradictions
in her statements.

But the police understanding
that Ian Bailey was the man

in the long, black coat meant
this man was never investigated.

The libel trial of Marie Farrell
had dramatically stated at one point
that she thought in her own head,

when being confronted
by the chief suspect,

that Ian Bailey "would kill me
in two minutes"

and so this was a woman
completely living in fear.

Fast-forward to the end of 2005

and a sensational turn of events,

Marie Farrell announcing
that she was retracting her evidence

about seeing a man
at Kealfadda Bridge
and that that man was Ian Bailey.

And furthermore, Ian Bailey
had never intimidated her.

Complete reversal
that extended into saying

that the real intimidators
in the case were the Gardai.

She rang. I'm on the phone,
"Hello, who's this?"

"Don't you know me?" I just didn't
pick up the name right away

and I said, "No, who's this?"
And she said, "I'm the woman
who gave evidence

"against Ian Bailey." I'm saying,
"Which one?" And she says,

"The woman." And I says,
"I can't talk to you!"

That was my immediate reaction.
"You're a state witness,
you can't be ringing me."

"You're one of them."
And she said "No, no, no, no."

"I want to tell you the truth."
And I said, "OK."

OK, let's get this out of the way.
The inference is

that you changed your opinion
because you'd go to a case
against the state,

Bailey would be paid a load of money
and you'd get half it.

I don't know where that came from.
There was nothing for me to gain

by changing my statements
or my story.

The only thing was, I thought it was
time to tell the truth
and stand up to the Guards.

Got a phone call
from the Garda Inspector

and he told me that Sophie's parents
were going to take a case,

a civil action, against Ian Bailey
and there would be
another court case

and I'd have to go to court again.
And I told him that I would never,

ever again go to court
for the Guards and tell lies.

I did benefit from, you know,
doing whatever the Guards
wanted me to do.

Did you think Bailey did it?
THEY told me he did it.

And at the time, I did believe them,
but then I started thinking

if he did do it,
why do they need to manufacture
all of this stuff around him?

Marie Farrell
said she had two lives,

one with the Gardai
and what she would do for them

and her other, normal life.
She knew she shouldn't have done so,

but felt she had to go along with it
because the Guards had done her
a lot of favours.

They'd promised not to tell
her husband she was out
with another man.

They also took care of a prosecution
for no insurance against her husband

and offered help with
an application for a council house.

She said she was told
that they needed her help

to build up a profile of Ian Bailey
as a dangerous and threatening
person

so the DPP would charge him.

Marie Farrell was used
in the libel trials

as being the bolster for the state.

Her evidence was to be absolutely
believed and believable.

And then the next trial, she's then
presented as being a person
you could NEVER believe

and that she's wholly unbelievable.

And then it followed, "Why should
we believe you now, Marie Farrell,

"if you have shown yourself
capable of telling a welter
of untruths in sworn evidence?"

Council for Mr Bailey,
Tom Creed, said the case

was not about the credibility
of Marie Farrell, but about
the credibility of the Gardai.

She had been squashed like a fly
when she turned on the state,
but despite this

had come to court voluntarily
because in the end, she wanted
to do right by Ian Bailey.

It was hard to understand
the tactics of the defence

questioning a self-confessed
perjurer in the stand for nine days

to prove that she was a liar.

Oh, I was destroyed. I remember
driving home one night
from the train station...

...and I thought, "Will I
keep driving through Roosky
and drive into the Shannon?"

"'Cos I can't take any more of it."

We are now in a position where it's
impossible to know what to believe.

They had no scientific
or forensic evidence

to link Ian Bailey to the scene.

So after that,
it becomes a circumstantial case.

And the only circumstantial evidence
really was

the Kealfadda Bridge testimony,
which has been the focus of so much
controversy over the years

that no-one knows at this point
what, if anything, was seen
at Kealfadda Bridge.

(SINGS)# Welcome to my world! ♪

All the time I've hoped when I've
been before the Irish judiciary,

ALL the time, EVERY time I've hoped
and given them
the benefit of the doubt

and just believed
in something called justice.

And do you know what I've got?
Nothing but... injustice.

I didn't know it was gonna be
64 days. They said it would be over
in a month, six weeks.

I think they ran it for so long
just to try to wear me out

and wear down
my team of lawyers and people.

And they almost did! They almost...
they almost wore me out.

I had to separate myself
from myself,

this might sound very strange,
to deal with it.

I just made sure my hair was good,
I was wearing nice clothes

and my teeth cleaned and didn't have
any hairs coming out of me ears.

Ian Bailey said
while it was tough, he wanted
to clear his name

and prove once and for all
he had nothing to do
with the murder of Miss du Plantier.

At 64 days, the action Ian Bailey
took in the Irish High Court

was the longest-running civil case
in Irish legal history.

Ian Bailey himself
spent 10 days in the stand

and four days were taken up
by the testimony of Martin Graham,

who came into contact with Ian
the day after his first arrest.

Mr Graham maintained
that the Gardai tried to get him

to get close to Ian Bailey
to see could he overhear

some type
of incriminating conversation.

And Mr Graham claimed,
as a reward for doing that,

or to enable him to do that,
he would be supplied

with cash, clothing
and most interesting of all, drugs.

Martin Graham
told the court he was given cash,
cannabis

and clothes to befriend Ian Bailey
and get information linking him

to the murder
of Sophie Toscan du Plantier.

But he didn't like the idea of,
as he said, of being a rat,
being an informer.

And eventually Mr Bailey learned
about this Garda approach.

He came round and he said,
"Actually the Guards have given me
some money

"to get you drunk, so you admit it."

We said, "God, that's funny,
isn't it?" He was actually
a double agent,

he told us exactly
what was going on with the Guards.

The court heard
Mr Graham rang the newspaper,

who sent a reporter and photographer
to meet him. He was to meet Gardai,
get cannabis and tape the meeting.

He answered the ad
from the Sunday World.
"If you have the story, tell us."

And he said to Dublin,
"Yeah, I've got this story."

"I want a thousand,
I wanna ticket out of the country"

and they said, "OK, we got
Ken and Billy down in Cork."

"Send 'em off together down there."

'They asked me to try
and familiarise myself
with Ian Bailey

'and get to know the man
and hopefully Ian would confess,

'would confess the whole crime
to me. Well, since that time

'I've had £500, £600 in pay-offs.'

'They've bought clothes for me
as well as providing
about 15 to 18 ounces of hash.'

But the next day Ken told me
that Dublin decided they were
not going to pay Martin his thousand

and he wasn't getting a ticket.
And I said "Guys, this is bad."

"He is now in West Cork
and the shit will hit the fan
for him."

By May 1997,
he said that Gardai smelled a rat.

He said he knew he had been rumbled.
He said he knew he'd caught
policemen being corrupt

and their pensions and livelihoods
were at stake.

He said he was driven around
for about 45 minutes.

He said they kept digging him
in the back and asking him
where were the tape recordings.

Mr Graham broke down
as he said his life was threatened.

Gardai denied all wrongdoing
with regard to Martin Graham

and the defence team
tried to discredit his allegations.

However,
his strange version of events

did seem to be supported
by an actual phone call
with a policeman.

The Bandon Tape Scandal
broke in December, 2013.

In police stations
all across the country,

the Gardai had been recording
telephone conversations.

This was both secret and illegal

and it was happening
from the early 1980s.

The Bandon tapes were just
one of many police scandals

that were exposed at the time.

This resulted in the resignation
of the Garda Commissioner.

A lot of the calls in Bandon
were about Sophie's murder,

including conversations
with Marie Farrell and Martin Graham.

Will he be wanting a monetary reward
for making a statement?

After hearing the Bandon tapes,

the part involving Martin Graham
became irrelevant

when, in a sensational development
at the last hour,

the defence
raised the statute of limitations.

The judge ruled
he hadn't lodged his legal action

within the six-year time limit
required by law.

The Director of Public Prosecutions
report criticising Garda conduct

and dismissing the police case
against Bailey

was not admitted into evidence.

He had sued
for wrongful arrest and made
several other related claims.

The bulk of his claims
were struck out.

And so the questions for the jury
were reduced to the central plank
of this case.

Did Gardai conspire to implicate
Mr Bailey by taking statements

from the witness Marie Farrell
knowing them to be false

and did Gardai later conspire
to take statements

from the same witness
alleging intimidation?

I would've said that we had
generated a huge amount of evidence

to achieve our objectives.
All of that was directed
by the judge to the jury

not to be considered and after,
I think, about 60 days of hearing

being told "Look, folks,
all you've got to decide now

"is which version would you prefer
of this very discrete element,

"namely the police and what they're
telling you about Marie Farrell

"or Marie Farrell telling you what
she's telling you about the police?"

I'd say they must have come out
having been given this direction

and thinking, "What was all
the other stuff about?"

Just after 4pm today,
they replied no to both questions.

I can't say anything
at the moment, sorry.

Having lost his case, he now faces
a possible legal bill
of millions of euro.

Ian Bailey took his action
on the basis of wrongful arrest

and the High Court,
in a very convoluted way,

found that there wasn't
the suggestion of a conspiracy.

They found no evidence
of a conspiracy. There was
no evidence of wrongful arrest

on the basis of Garda actions
based on the information
they had at the time.

But certainly in terms of
the mistakes that were made

and the consequences
of those mistakes,

there's no point saying
the Sophie Toscan du Plantier
investigation

has not been damaging
for the Gardai. It WAS
quite damaging.

A whole generation has grown up
and this has been hanging over
West Cork.

"Have no doubt,
it's that bollix Bailey."

And people say to me, you know,

"Ian, so-and-so came up to me
and said 'Do you think he did it?'"

So it's left
a really big question mark.

Actually, this process,

this decanting which is going on

is very cathartic.

I've lost my cases
against the state.

We were never gonna win those
and I've learned recently

that I'm going to be lumbered
with an approximate cost bill

of the Irish state
of some seven million Euros.

And strangely enough,
that's the least of my worries,

because apparently
on the 24th of May,

I'm going to be tried in France
for murder. And I'm not intending

to offer myself up, because I have
no faith at all
in the French legal system

and I know that the material
which is going to be used
to prosecute me

is based on a falsity.

♪I've No Alibi

Are you filming all of this?
I wouldn't mind a private moment
to just have a...

Oh God. Anyway, you don't need
to play it all out, but...

...Damien Dempsey,
I've got into him.

I'll just turn it off for now.
He's very good, Damien.

I just liked it, you know? "I've got
no alibi and I talk shite."

I was listening to it last night
and I thought

"Jesus, that is so spot-on
in terms of alibi," you know?

You can tell the state of mind
of a writer
by the state of his desk.

Nobody knows how you're gonna
be able to handle a thing.

You hope you're gonna be able
to handle it, you hope
you're gonna be tough enough,

you can tell yourself
you're in a John Wayne state of mind

or whatever, but you just don't know
how you'll handle it.
And I just hope and pray that I can.

I can't imagine
that it can in any way be good.

You know?

I think Ian is a bit hyper.

He's dealing with the French case's
imminence

the best way he can

and is just being really as creative
as he can to block it out.

I mean, in the past,
we did it with a lot of gardening.

He actually dug the ponds
and, you know,

did loads of the hard labour
around the place,
building stone walls and everything.

And I was just busy planting.
So we kept ourselves so busy
and got so exhausted

we didn't have time
to think about other things.

Do you think he's using alcohol
to block out reality?

Oh, without a doubt
he uses that as well,

which isn't really going to help.
He's gonna crash any minute.

I hope he doesn't,
but I think he might.

He's his own person, you know?

We both do our own thing. We're not
trying to control each other.

No way I could control him
and vice-versa.

♪ Happy birthday, Miss Thomas

♪ Oh, happy birthday to you ♪

Thank you.

Please don't.

The reason we're here this evening

is to celebrate Miss Catherine
Julia Thomas's inception

from David and Beryl. See,
I'm trying to re-romance me missus,

but it's an uphill struggle!

He was doing very well
when he was in AA.

It IS upsetting. He was much better
off when he was getting support.

Are you winning?
I don't know if I'm winning,

but I'm in a John Wayne
state of mind! And you're looking
lovely, lady.

See, I was a journalist
and I schmoozed

with the... the lowest of the low

and the highest of the high.
Diana.

Princess Diana
always had an eye for me.

And, er... on the topic of...
oh, because I'm getting...

When we turned up and I saw him
lashing into pints already,

I thought "Oh God, it's five
in the afternoon."

Well, I could just tell
from his stammer...

♪ Have I told you lately
I love you?... ♪

It's like he's performing
all the time.

You know, he's loving an audience
and he's not quite being himself.

He's over the top. You know,
it's sort of annoying at times
for me.

♪ Ease my troubles
# That's what you do... ♪

I mean, I'm the opposite end of
the scale, so I'm not
the best judge.

I hate attention.
# ..all my sadness

♪ Ease my troubles
# That's what you do ♪

To Jules!

It was his night, I know that.

The centre of(FRENCH)'attention'.

He doesn't get it.
I'm sure he doesn't get it.

He doesn't see what he's like.

It's not fair on me, is it, really?
Putting up with it.

I have told him he can choose
between me or alcohol.

Doesn't seem to make any difference.
And I can't kick him out.

There's nowhere he could go
if I did kick him out.

He'd literally be homeless.

Such ghastly times.
You don't walk out on someone

in the middle of ghastly times
anyway.

I think that would be completely
against my nature to do that.

Yeah, it's a funny position I'm in.

Halfway between the doghouse
and the jailhouse.

I... I still... still have
a residu... I have love for her.

You know? It's very confused
as well because nobody,

NOBODY'S ever been through
what we've been through. Nobody!

If I could do anything,
if I could change anything, I would.

Could I have done anything
to change it?

The only thing I could have done
that might have changed it,

if I'd have been either in hospital,
incapacitated,

or away from West Cork
on a certain day in December 1996.

Fuckers.

I mean, they haven't ruined my life,
but they've ruined Jules's life.

Sorry.

Oh!

When I look at or listen
to the police talking about DNA

and "Oh, back then,
DNA wasn't as good as it is now",

I kinda go, "Well,
the most primitive DNA...

...are our fingerprints."
When I was a child in the womb,

I reached out
to touch my mother's stomach,

just like every human
since the beginning of time.

And by reaching out to touch her,
I created,

on the tops of my fingers, ridges.

And now, I have a fingerprint.

So, the police,
when they suspected Ian Bailey,

they did take his fingerprints
when they arrested him

and we never got the report of that
and I was always looking to find out

in the police statements
that I got from Frank Buttimer.

I couldn't find them
in the libel trial

or in the civil trial

and then I went to the French file.

And I found this report

from the forensics,

John O'Neill. What he basically says

is that Ian Bailey's fingerprints
were nowhere to be seen.

But he does say there were
other marks there.

So the question is,
are there marks there

that, if we found another suspect,

could we put them
at the scene of the crime?

This seems
of fundamental importance to me.

At the scene of the crime,
even if I'm not here,

that will remain.

We subsequently learned that
at the outset,
there were 50 suspects.

Seems that the police managed
to reduce the number of suspects

right down to one
in not more than two weeks.

Ian Bailey became
the only show in town.

(BAILEY)'The most interesting
statement that I had never seen
before

'and wasn't included
in the DPP's file

'was a statement by a driver
living in Goleen at the time,

'who says
on Monday 23rd December 1996,

'he leaves his home in Goleen,
he's driving up to Cork.'

'So this is around 7.30
on that Monday morning, OK?'

'A car comes right up behind him
and overtakes him
on the hairpin bend

'and he has to swerve to pull out.'

So on the Tuesday,
the Guards go into Goleen

and go house to house,
knocking on the doors,

"Can anybody help?
"Have you seen anything?"

And he says "Yeah, at 7.30 yesterday
morning I was overtaken
at very high speed

"by a blue Ford Fiesta.
I think it had red number plates."

Now the funny thing is,
I hadn't seen that statement

until I found it
in the boxes of discovery.

It wasn't included
in the DPP's file.

In other words,
it wasn't sent to the fucking DPP.

After the murder, the Guards
are appealing for anybody
with information.

Inquiries are still continuing
and we're doing house to house
visits.

We're getting a great response
from the public and I thank them.

But there's always something
out there that we don't know of

and it could be of immense help
to us.

They're appealing for drivers
and cars, certain cars

that were seen, to come forward.

There's no fucking appeal
for a blue Ford fucking Fiesta,
is there?

Driving away from the scene
at 7.30 in the morning.

As soon as I saw that statement,

I wasn't able
to categorically rule out

the unknown identity of the driver

as having been the culprit
who murdered her.

So this is 7.30. Now if you go
through the statements that...

Hello? Don't come in!
Oh, go on, come in, come in. Sorry.

No, come in if you want,
but let me know.

Erm...

Yeah, erm...
so they do an appeal for the...

And there was no appeal for anybody
who'd seen a blue Ford Fiesta.

What's that all about, eh?

In 2008, the French state
applied to the Irish state

for what they call mutual assistance

to give the French
the Irish police file.

The Minister for Justice
directs that it is appropriate

and orders the files to go out.
Now, that became then the material,

of course which was rejected
by the DPP,

but which was relied upon
by the French in their eventual
application for extradition

through the French court system.

They exhumed Sophie's body
in France.

They conducted
a battery of new forensic tests.

Crucially, they were given access
to the Garda murder file.

And that was probably the greatest
acknowledgment that there was never
going to be action in Ireland,

because had there been the remotest
prospect of something happening,
that wouldn't have happened.

They were given permission
to send French detectives
to Ireland

to re-interview
investigating officers
in the Gardai,

but also some of the witnesses
in the original murder
investigation.

I am so sorry for the family
as well.

They really, really believe
Ian did it.

What can I say?

Sophie Toscan
du Plantier's son Pierre-Louis
and her brother Bertrand

spent this weekend at the West Cork
holiday home where she stayed
and where she died.

What are we? Sunday, 19th May.

And, erm... God,
where would you start?

Well, I'm here at the market.
I'm trying to carry on doing
everything that I normally would do.

What's happening today is that
Pierre-Louis, the son of the victim,

is going to make an impassioned plea
for the good people of West Cork

who are required as witnesses
in Paris to travel over

so that they can get rid of this
devil that lives amongst them.

And it's very, very, very...
surreal, unreal.

It is frightening.

In a way, my speech here

was also an appeal
to all the witnesses

which are requested
to come in France

to come and testify
against the suspect.

Last week,
I had this feeling of sickness

right in the pit of my stomach.
Really, really fucking visceral.

And that sort of comes and goes.

The file that the French
were acting under

was the file that was rejected here
numerous times in Ireland

and was corrupted, many of
the statements withdrawn
or discredited.

And all of that shit
was handed over to the French.

They think they've got
all the evidence they need.

We've seen it,
because we put an appeal in.

Our French barrister says
there's no way you could fight it.

"It would be a waste of my time",
he said. "And your money."

It's because hearsay in French law
stands as evidence.

So if somebody says "Oh, he said
he did it", that's enough for them.

It's very difficult to say,
but I just can't see
any set of circumstances

where Ireland will extradite
an individual to France

on foot of a conviction in France
for a crime that happened in Ireland

and for a matter which the Director
of Public Prosecutions found

that the same individual shouldn't
even be charged, let alone tried.

But the one thing
I've learned about this case is,

you don't make predictions
because it's one of those cases

where you really don't know
what's coming down the tracks.

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