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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:16,188 --> 00:00:18,915 [gentle music] 4 00:00:20,986 --> 00:00:23,437 [no audio] 5 00:00:25,128 --> 00:00:27,855 [gentle music] 6 00:00:33,964 --> 00:00:36,760 [gentle music] 7 00:00:39,142 --> 00:00:42,766 - [Larry] Just about everybody that's into astronomy 8 00:00:42,801 --> 00:00:48,048 has this sort of wonderment about the universe, 9 00:00:49,256 --> 00:00:52,328 its vastness, its mystery, all that we know 10 00:00:52,362 --> 00:00:54,882 and so much more that we don't know. 11 00:00:56,125 --> 00:00:58,851 [gentle music] 12 00:01:03,649 --> 00:01:06,928 - [Elise] Everyone is fascinated with the cosmos. 13 00:01:09,483 --> 00:01:11,692 There are so many unknowns. 14 00:01:11,726 --> 00:01:15,558 We are really just bumbling in the dark. 15 00:01:15,592 --> 00:01:18,526 [gentle music] 16 00:01:23,255 --> 00:01:26,845 [gentle music continues] 17 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:29,986 - [Announcer] All right, keynote speaker 18 00:01:30,020 --> 00:01:31,919 for the evening is Dr. Larry Molnar, 19 00:01:31,953 --> 00:01:34,232 "The Lives and Dramatic Deaths of Contact Binary Stars." 20 00:01:34,266 --> 00:01:35,509 Dr. Larry Molnar. 21 00:01:36,199 --> 00:01:39,340 [audience clapping] 22 00:01:39,375 --> 00:01:41,722 - Thank you for having me here. 23 00:01:41,756 --> 00:01:45,484 I always enjoy telling stories about the stars. 24 00:01:46,865 --> 00:01:48,694 Tonight and tomorrow you're going to hear a new story. 25 00:01:48,729 --> 00:01:51,111 This hasn't been told on the lecture circuit all around. 26 00:01:51,145 --> 00:01:53,630 You're hearing it for the first time. 27 00:01:54,631 --> 00:01:56,426 I did not really know when I began 28 00:01:56,461 --> 00:01:58,428 where I was going to end up. 29 00:01:59,429 --> 00:02:00,982 It's been a bit of a rollercoaster. 30 00:02:01,017 --> 00:02:03,778 I didn't always know what was gonna happen next, 31 00:02:03,813 --> 00:02:05,263 and it's actually a story 32 00:02:05,297 --> 00:02:08,024 where there's still a few pages left to write, 33 00:02:08,058 --> 00:02:11,131 and particularly the topic for tonight is the search 34 00:02:11,165 --> 00:02:14,099 for the next star that's going to explode. 35 00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:17,827 [gentle music] 36 00:02:22,072 --> 00:02:24,523 [no audio] 37 00:02:27,457 --> 00:02:31,703 [crowd chattering indistinctly] 38 00:02:35,327 --> 00:02:37,398 - Well, we're on the top of the science building right now 39 00:02:37,433 --> 00:02:42,403 on Calvin's campus, waiting to see a total lunar eclipse 40 00:02:42,438 --> 00:02:44,129 at the point of perigee. 41 00:02:44,164 --> 00:02:45,820 So that means 42 00:02:45,855 --> 00:02:47,857 that the media would call it a blood moon super moon. 43 00:02:48,892 --> 00:02:51,274 [attendees chattering indistinctly] 44 00:02:51,309 --> 00:02:52,827 - [Larry] Yeah, and a lot of people were upstairs, 45 00:02:52,862 --> 00:02:54,588 just looking at the mirror 46 00:02:54,622 --> 00:02:57,246 and hear about what the observatory does, 47 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,801 and it's better PR if the clouds are clear, 48 00:03:00,835 --> 00:03:03,459 but I think people know we're here. 49 00:03:03,493 --> 00:03:06,116 They might well come back and that's exciting to me. 50 00:03:06,151 --> 00:03:09,534 [attendees chattering indistinctly] 51 00:03:09,568 --> 00:03:12,053 - Astronomy is one of the oldest sciences, 52 00:03:12,088 --> 00:03:15,643 in part because everyone can participate. 53 00:03:16,817 --> 00:03:20,683 If you're a sheep herder 5,000 years ago, 54 00:03:20,717 --> 00:03:23,133 if you sit out at night, you can observe 55 00:03:23,168 --> 00:03:27,724 that the planet's move over the course of the year, 56 00:03:27,759 --> 00:03:30,624 and that next year at about the same time 57 00:03:30,658 --> 00:03:32,867 the constellations will be in the same place. 58 00:03:32,902 --> 00:03:34,800 So there's an important sense in which 59 00:03:34,835 --> 00:03:39,702 these are the earliest patterns that humans can see. 60 00:03:41,635 --> 00:03:44,016 - Even in ancient times, Aristotle understood 61 00:03:44,051 --> 00:03:46,295 that the Earth was a sphere and his proof for that. 62 00:03:46,329 --> 00:03:48,262 - [Matthew] Larry is a passionate astronomer. 63 00:03:48,297 --> 00:03:51,576 He loves astronomy, and his default, his assumption is 64 00:03:51,610 --> 00:03:53,681 that everyone should love astronomy. 65 00:03:54,820 --> 00:03:56,684 - The right size to exactly block the sun. 66 00:03:58,307 --> 00:03:59,756 Sorry about the clouds. 67 00:03:59,791 --> 00:04:01,344 Everybody gets a free voucher 68 00:04:01,379 --> 00:04:04,658 to come and visit the observatory on another night. 69 00:04:04,692 --> 00:04:07,626 We are open Monday night through Thursday night, 70 00:04:07,661 --> 00:04:09,007 when it's clear. 71 00:04:10,422 --> 00:04:13,287 We have so many good things you can see with this telescope. 72 00:04:14,426 --> 00:04:16,048 Just come back another night. 73 00:04:17,533 --> 00:04:19,466 - Larry's a very social guy. 74 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:24,367 When Larry joined the physics department at Calvin, 75 00:04:24,402 --> 00:04:29,165 he noticed that there weren't standing social events, 76 00:04:29,199 --> 00:04:31,512 and he felt like it would be a really great idea 77 00:04:31,547 --> 00:04:34,826 to get students together so they could get a chance 78 00:04:34,860 --> 00:04:36,621 to get to know each other. 79 00:04:36,655 --> 00:04:37,725 [all laughing] 80 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,831 - [Student] Oh, that's bad. 81 00:04:40,659 --> 00:04:41,764 - [Student] Now I send it flying 82 00:04:41,798 --> 00:04:43,628 about 30 feet through the air. 83 00:04:43,662 --> 00:04:46,631 [gentle music] 84 00:04:47,770 --> 00:04:50,117 - Larry loves astronomy, and as a scientist, 85 00:04:50,151 --> 00:04:53,948 is perhaps one of the most careful people I know, 86 00:04:53,983 --> 00:04:56,434 but that's so perfectly balanced with somebody 87 00:04:56,468 --> 00:05:00,092 who cares deeply about a community around him, 88 00:05:00,127 --> 00:05:02,474 who's very involved in church life. 89 00:05:02,509 --> 00:05:05,891 He's an example to many of us on that front as well. 90 00:05:05,926 --> 00:05:09,654 [choir singing faintly] 91 00:05:11,966 --> 00:05:15,694 [choir singing faintly] 92 00:05:18,421 --> 00:05:21,217 [door rattling] 93 00:05:26,809 --> 00:05:30,157 [lock rattling] 94 00:05:30,191 --> 00:05:33,125 - [Larry] I did my graduate study at Harvard University, 95 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,680 master's and doctoral degrees. 96 00:05:35,714 --> 00:05:38,752 [roof buzzing] 97 00:05:38,786 --> 00:05:41,824 - Larry was, I thought, unbelievably smart, 98 00:05:41,858 --> 00:05:45,414 meticulous, and already an excellent scientist 99 00:05:45,448 --> 00:05:46,725 when he came here, 100 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,796 and it's sort of something, I think, 101 00:05:48,831 --> 00:05:50,936 you almost can't teach somebody, 102 00:05:50,971 --> 00:05:53,663 is how to be a really good scientist. 103 00:05:55,113 --> 00:05:57,011 - Of those students that graduated 104 00:05:57,046 --> 00:06:00,877 about the same time I did, one is a senior official at NASA, 105 00:06:00,912 --> 00:06:04,122 one was the president of "Sky and Telescope" magazine. 106 00:06:04,156 --> 00:06:07,090 Others are faculty members at Yale 107 00:06:07,125 --> 00:06:09,369 and other institutions like that. 108 00:06:10,991 --> 00:06:12,855 I don't know of any who are currently teaching 109 00:06:12,889 --> 00:06:15,754 at a small liberal arts college. 110 00:06:16,790 --> 00:06:20,034 This is linear, it's going up. 111 00:06:20,069 --> 00:06:22,968 And then this time, it's today's date here. 112 00:06:23,003 --> 00:06:25,143 - [Student] You've got a really, really amazing memory. 113 00:06:25,177 --> 00:06:27,766 - So the star that led to this prediction 114 00:06:27,801 --> 00:06:31,425 was actually first investigated by an undergraduate student. 115 00:06:31,460 --> 00:06:33,116 I've heard of graduate students 116 00:06:33,151 --> 00:06:35,498 or postdocs being the ones to make a discovery, 117 00:06:35,533 --> 00:06:38,674 but it's exceedingly rare that it's the undergraduate 118 00:06:38,708 --> 00:06:40,123 who's looking at the raw data 119 00:06:40,158 --> 00:06:41,780 and who is the one who makes the discovery, 120 00:06:41,815 --> 00:06:43,437 so that's really cool. 121 00:06:46,509 --> 00:06:49,167 [gentle music] 122 00:06:49,201 --> 00:06:52,619 - Daniel van Noord, I was the original discoverer 123 00:06:52,653 --> 00:06:56,657 of the period change in KIC 983227, 124 00:06:56,692 --> 00:06:58,452 and the student researcher who did 125 00:06:58,487 --> 00:07:01,421 most of the preliminary analysis on the system. 126 00:07:02,801 --> 00:07:06,667 I will say I didn't actually discover the star itself. 127 00:07:06,702 --> 00:07:10,740 - The star was originally identified as a variable star 128 00:07:10,775 --> 00:07:12,777 in a survey that I used 129 00:07:12,811 --> 00:07:15,331 for my PhD thesis at Michigan State. 130 00:07:15,365 --> 00:07:18,541 I was presenting a short talk on this particular star, 131 00:07:18,576 --> 00:07:21,268 and it was very fortuitous because, at the time, 132 00:07:21,302 --> 00:07:23,615 I was looking for experts in the field 133 00:07:23,650 --> 00:07:26,066 who could help me interpret what was going on 134 00:07:26,100 --> 00:07:28,344 with this very strange star. 135 00:07:28,378 --> 00:07:31,796 - I volunteered and said, "I can figure that out." 136 00:07:31,830 --> 00:07:33,798 - His interest and his alertness 137 00:07:33,832 --> 00:07:35,972 has actually started down a path 138 00:07:36,007 --> 00:07:38,837 which now is going way beyond what he imagined 139 00:07:38,872 --> 00:07:40,356 at that moment. 140 00:07:40,390 --> 00:07:42,462 [gentle music] 141 00:07:42,496 --> 00:07:45,050 Other people could, in principle, recognize 142 00:07:45,085 --> 00:07:47,432 this is an interesting star, but they didn't. 143 00:07:47,467 --> 00:07:49,158 [suspenseful music] 144 00:07:49,192 --> 00:07:52,851 - We have this image of science that you see in the movies 145 00:07:52,886 --> 00:07:54,301 and in television and books, 146 00:07:54,335 --> 00:07:57,131 and it's sort of a eureka moment, right? 147 00:07:57,166 --> 00:08:00,618 You have the badly dressed scientist 148 00:08:00,652 --> 00:08:04,035 sitting in a dark room, working on something by themselves, 149 00:08:04,069 --> 00:08:07,072 and then they make a discovery, 150 00:08:07,107 --> 00:08:09,247 and then they run out of the room and they say, 151 00:08:09,281 --> 00:08:10,938 "I have discovered this thing," 152 00:08:10,973 --> 00:08:12,699 and then everyone now knows that to be true 153 00:08:12,733 --> 00:08:13,976 and they believe it. 154 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,842 None of those aspects is correct. 155 00:08:19,119 --> 00:08:21,604 Very rare for a scientist to work by themselves. 156 00:08:21,639 --> 00:08:23,295 It's almost always in a group. 157 00:08:24,918 --> 00:08:27,196 When it comes to the moment of discovery, 158 00:08:27,230 --> 00:08:29,336 there's never a moment of discovery, 159 00:08:29,370 --> 00:08:32,719 but one person says, "Hey, I just saw something funny. 160 00:08:32,753 --> 00:08:34,790 Can you come take a look at this?" 161 00:08:34,824 --> 00:08:37,551 [gentle music] 162 00:08:39,346 --> 00:08:41,659 - [Larry] This is a star that was changing its light, 163 00:08:41,693 --> 00:08:43,971 getting brighter and dimmer, brighter and dimmer 164 00:08:44,006 --> 00:08:45,525 every 11 hours. 165 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,355 It would go brighter and dimmer twice. 166 00:08:49,114 --> 00:08:50,771 And the question is 167 00:08:50,806 --> 00:08:53,084 is that because the star is really getting brighter 168 00:08:53,118 --> 00:08:54,844 and dimmer, that it's a pulsing, 169 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:56,915 something inherent to the star, 170 00:08:56,950 --> 00:09:00,609 or is it an artifact of how we look at the star? 171 00:09:00,643 --> 00:09:04,095 Binary stars, as they orbit around each other, 172 00:09:04,129 --> 00:09:07,063 one star eclipses the other, 173 00:09:07,098 --> 00:09:09,583 and so it will look fainter for us 174 00:09:09,618 --> 00:09:13,345 just as we see it at different phases of the orbit. 175 00:09:13,380 --> 00:09:15,658 What we were able to show is that, indeed, 176 00:09:15,693 --> 00:09:17,073 it is a binary star, 177 00:09:17,108 --> 00:09:20,076 but as we put all the data together, 178 00:09:20,111 --> 00:09:23,528 we came to a very striking pattern. 179 00:09:23,563 --> 00:09:26,393 [suspenseful music] 180 00:09:26,427 --> 00:09:28,015 - They presented this initial result 181 00:09:28,050 --> 00:09:29,569 where they had looked at the star, 182 00:09:29,603 --> 00:09:32,054 they had figured out that it was a binary star, 183 00:09:32,088 --> 00:09:33,607 and they had realized, 184 00:09:33,642 --> 00:09:36,886 "We think it's starting to spin faster and faster." 185 00:09:38,094 --> 00:09:39,717 - What does that mean? 186 00:09:39,751 --> 00:09:41,546 It means the stars actually have to be getting closer. 187 00:09:41,581 --> 00:09:43,065 Well, these stars are already so close, 188 00:09:43,099 --> 00:09:44,722 they're nearly touching. 189 00:09:44,756 --> 00:09:46,827 How much closer can you get? 190 00:09:46,862 --> 00:09:49,036 They have to be pushed into each other. 191 00:09:49,071 --> 00:09:51,383 They have to begin to merge. 192 00:09:51,418 --> 00:09:54,594 That event can release as much energy 193 00:09:54,628 --> 00:09:57,597 as the Sun would release in its entire lifetime. 194 00:09:59,012 --> 00:10:00,220 - That's when it was hitting me, wow, 195 00:10:00,254 --> 00:10:01,635 this is just a few years away. 196 00:10:01,670 --> 00:10:03,603 Nobody's ever seen anything of this kind. 197 00:10:03,637 --> 00:10:05,259 I raised my hand and pointed out to the students 198 00:10:05,294 --> 00:10:07,020 that, "This is important, people." 199 00:10:07,054 --> 00:10:10,471 - What we're talking about is a prediction 200 00:10:10,506 --> 00:10:14,648 that a pair of stars are going to collide 201 00:10:14,683 --> 00:10:16,305 and essentially blow up. 202 00:10:16,339 --> 00:10:19,929 Nobody has ever been able to do that before. 203 00:10:19,964 --> 00:10:22,622 - A lot of people know that things will blow up eventually, 204 00:10:22,656 --> 00:10:24,900 and they publish articles about it all the time, 205 00:10:24,934 --> 00:10:26,349 but my prediction is 206 00:10:26,384 --> 00:10:28,317 that this thing is going to become a red nova 207 00:10:28,351 --> 00:10:31,423 in three to five years from right now. 208 00:10:31,458 --> 00:10:33,978 - That's an incredible needle in the haystack. 209 00:10:34,012 --> 00:10:36,463 It's sort of like one in 10 million stars 210 00:10:36,497 --> 00:10:39,535 would go through this in a human lifetime. 211 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,883 - It only happens when you're not looking. 212 00:10:42,918 --> 00:10:45,886 It only happens if you had a lifetime of a million years 213 00:10:45,921 --> 00:10:47,681 that you'd be there to see it. 214 00:10:47,716 --> 00:10:49,821 - The odds of it are very small, 215 00:10:49,856 --> 00:10:52,859 the odds that someone would be looking at the right stars 216 00:10:52,893 --> 00:10:54,343 at the right time. 217 00:10:55,862 --> 00:10:57,967 - Will there be predicted, 218 00:10:58,002 --> 00:10:59,935 now for the first time in history, 219 00:10:59,969 --> 00:11:04,456 the appearance of a new star? 220 00:11:04,491 --> 00:11:08,668 That's what Larry Molnar is looking for. 221 00:11:13,914 --> 00:11:16,537 [dog barking] 222 00:11:18,194 --> 00:11:21,266 [birds chirping] 223 00:11:23,890 --> 00:11:26,030 - Generations of students have really liked Casey 224 00:11:26,064 --> 00:11:28,170 'cause he's just so friendly. 225 00:11:30,068 --> 00:11:31,621 He's almost 16. 226 00:11:34,003 --> 00:11:35,522 [Casey yelping] 227 00:11:35,556 --> 00:11:36,488 Oh my. 228 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,940 You know, we run the telescope robotically overnight 229 00:11:39,975 --> 00:11:42,149 and sometimes he'll wake up in the middle of the night 230 00:11:42,184 --> 00:11:43,772 and then, 'cause he woke me up, I'll catch 231 00:11:43,806 --> 00:11:46,153 that the dome had gotten stuck or something, 232 00:11:46,188 --> 00:11:47,741 so I give him credit 233 00:11:47,776 --> 00:11:52,781 for catching a few astronomical problems in the bud. 234 00:11:54,058 --> 00:11:56,336 - There girl, there you are. 235 00:11:56,370 --> 00:11:58,303 Yes, she likes to go for a walk. 236 00:12:00,754 --> 00:12:02,135 [door thuds] 237 00:12:02,169 --> 00:12:05,448 [dog barking] 238 00:12:05,483 --> 00:12:06,415 Hello. 239 00:12:07,140 --> 00:12:08,210 There's a good girl. 240 00:12:08,244 --> 00:12:09,452 Yeah, there's a good girl. 241 00:12:11,213 --> 00:12:13,629 Got my tail up 'cause this is my street. 242 00:12:15,217 --> 00:12:18,047 Merging stars are thought to happen 243 00:12:18,082 --> 00:12:20,498 about once every 10 years in our galaxy, 244 00:12:20,532 --> 00:12:22,431 so there must be one that's out there 245 00:12:22,465 --> 00:12:23,950 that's only a few years away from blowing up. 246 00:12:23,984 --> 00:12:25,779 It's a question of which one. 247 00:12:26,953 --> 00:12:29,093 In a sense, I guess, the thought occurred to us 248 00:12:29,127 --> 00:12:31,474 two years ago that it was a possibility, 249 00:12:31,509 --> 00:12:33,891 but we didn't think of it seriously. 250 00:12:33,925 --> 00:12:36,514 In that first year, what we saw is it continued 251 00:12:36,548 --> 00:12:39,897 to get faster, and it's been keeping right on it, 252 00:12:39,931 --> 00:12:45,350 and that's where sort of the tension melts, if you will. 253 00:12:46,455 --> 00:12:47,870 I still have to say with one part of me, 254 00:12:47,905 --> 00:12:50,114 it just seems unlikely that it's gonna explode 255 00:12:50,148 --> 00:12:51,701 because statistics are 256 00:12:51,736 --> 00:12:53,358 how do you know it's gonna be this star? 257 00:12:53,393 --> 00:12:55,809 There's so many other stars it could be, 258 00:12:55,844 --> 00:12:59,468 but if it's not going to, it's teasing me. 259 00:12:59,502 --> 00:13:01,988 If it's not going to, why is it continuing to do 260 00:13:02,022 --> 00:13:04,853 exactly what I've predicted that it's going to do? 261 00:13:06,095 --> 00:13:08,718 Having realized that even if it isn't this one 262 00:13:08,753 --> 00:13:13,240 that goes off, that there is a star out there somewhere, 263 00:13:14,379 --> 00:13:16,002 and the thought is we should look for it. 264 00:13:16,036 --> 00:13:19,350 [suspenseful music] 265 00:13:21,455 --> 00:13:26,253 The idea of novi, the idea of stars that just blow up, 266 00:13:26,288 --> 00:13:29,567 get so much brighter, 10,000 times brighter 267 00:13:29,601 --> 00:13:32,846 than they were before, such that you see a star 268 00:13:32,881 --> 00:13:34,952 where you didn't see one before, 269 00:13:34,986 --> 00:13:36,539 that has historical significance 270 00:13:36,574 --> 00:13:39,646 for the very foundation of science and astronomy. 271 00:13:41,579 --> 00:13:43,339 - [Matthew] Before the Renaissance, 272 00:13:43,374 --> 00:13:45,169 the European understanding of the cosmos was that, 273 00:13:45,203 --> 00:13:48,310 by definition, it did not change. 274 00:13:48,344 --> 00:13:51,520 [gentle music] 275 00:13:51,554 --> 00:13:55,179 - [Larry] Aristotle's science was the heavens are immutable. 276 00:13:55,213 --> 00:13:59,114 They go around and round in cycles, but never anything new, 277 00:13:59,148 --> 00:14:00,529 never anything missing. 278 00:14:01,702 --> 00:14:04,878 - [Elise] That worldview dominated for millennia. 279 00:14:04,913 --> 00:14:06,190 - [Matthew] And then one day, 280 00:14:06,224 --> 00:14:08,364 this Danish astronomer, Tycho Brahe, 281 00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:10,056 walks outside and as he tells the story, 282 00:14:10,090 --> 00:14:14,612 he looked up in the sky, and he knew the night sky so well 283 00:14:14,646 --> 00:14:18,478 that he could see that there was a new star in the sky. 284 00:14:18,512 --> 00:14:23,724 - [Owen] A nova as it was called in Latin, new star. 285 00:14:24,864 --> 00:14:28,660 It was so bright that it could be seen at dusk 286 00:14:28,695 --> 00:14:31,871 when other stars were just beginning to come out. 287 00:14:32,941 --> 00:14:34,804 - [Matthew] And that might not shock you, 288 00:14:34,839 --> 00:14:38,532 unless you had been deeply trained in this tradition 289 00:14:38,567 --> 00:14:41,742 that, by definition, the sky can never change. 290 00:14:42,743 --> 00:14:45,229 - [Owen] It indicated that the truths 291 00:14:45,263 --> 00:14:47,887 that had been handed down for generations 292 00:14:47,921 --> 00:14:50,682 were not necessarily final. 293 00:14:51,787 --> 00:14:54,997 - It changed what seemed to be unchangeable. 294 00:14:55,032 --> 00:14:59,450 It was that one little dot that begins all the questioning 295 00:14:59,484 --> 00:15:01,555 about the nature of the cosmos. 296 00:15:01,590 --> 00:15:06,836 If a new star can appear, then what else might be true? 297 00:15:07,354 --> 00:15:09,701 [tranquil music] 298 00:15:11,289 --> 00:15:13,774 - Here we are hundreds of years later 299 00:15:13,809 --> 00:15:16,812 with a prospect, again, of a naked eye nova. 300 00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:21,713 - Stars do not explode every day. 301 00:15:21,748 --> 00:15:25,096 One of the things that makes the prediction 302 00:15:25,131 --> 00:15:29,721 of a luminous red nova, something that excites all of us, 303 00:15:29,756 --> 00:15:32,966 is that if this thing does pop off, 304 00:15:33,001 --> 00:15:35,279 it's going to be easy to see. 305 00:15:35,313 --> 00:15:37,246 It's going to be a naked eye object 306 00:15:37,281 --> 00:15:40,249 seen against the background of the constellation of Cygnus, 307 00:15:40,284 --> 00:15:43,908 the swan, which is one of the more prominent constellations 308 00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:47,153 in the sky, and that will make it quite precedent setting 309 00:15:47,187 --> 00:15:48,568 because we won't have seen anything 310 00:15:48,602 --> 00:15:50,259 that bright in the sky appear 311 00:15:50,294 --> 00:15:54,574 where no other star was seen before in centuries, basically. 312 00:15:55,471 --> 00:15:58,405 [gentle music] 313 00:16:01,305 --> 00:16:02,996 - [Larry] Hi Dan, welcome back. 314 00:16:03,031 --> 00:16:04,446 - [Dan] Can you hear me? 315 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,172 - I can hear you, but I find it curious 316 00:16:06,206 --> 00:16:09,623 that the main console for the weather station is still blank 317 00:16:09,658 --> 00:16:11,556 after your reboot there. 318 00:16:11,591 --> 00:16:15,319 Our computer hasn't worked properly over the last year, 319 00:16:15,353 --> 00:16:16,941 which has really limited us 320 00:16:16,976 --> 00:16:19,461 just when we're trying to do real research, 321 00:16:19,495 --> 00:16:20,841 crashing in the middle of the night, 322 00:16:20,876 --> 00:16:23,016 not taking the data we asked it to take. 323 00:16:24,155 --> 00:16:25,950 We brought out a new computer with the hope 324 00:16:25,985 --> 00:16:28,504 that all of the power of the telescope 325 00:16:28,539 --> 00:16:29,989 will be unleashed again. 326 00:16:32,888 --> 00:16:35,408 - What's counterintuitive about the discovery 327 00:16:35,442 --> 00:16:38,411 that Molnar has made is you would think 328 00:16:38,445 --> 00:16:40,723 that that would come out of a large collaboration 329 00:16:40,758 --> 00:16:42,932 where you have many eyes on the sky. 330 00:16:44,037 --> 00:16:46,695 - Our telescope setup is small science. 331 00:16:46,729 --> 00:16:49,698 It's this 16-inch mirror that the telescope uses 332 00:16:49,732 --> 00:16:51,872 to collect the light from the sky. 333 00:16:51,907 --> 00:16:56,670 Big science telescopes are at least 10 times that big. 334 00:16:58,086 --> 00:17:00,674 - [Karen] The field of astronomy has been leaping forward. 335 00:17:00,709 --> 00:17:03,643 A lot of the observatories now are looking at eight meter, 336 00:17:03,677 --> 00:17:05,369 10 meter, 12 meter, 337 00:17:05,403 --> 00:17:09,131 and in the future, 25 meter, 30 meter, 40 meter-telescopes, 338 00:17:09,166 --> 00:17:10,546 and these are the size 339 00:17:10,581 --> 00:17:13,066 of a small football stadium, basically. 340 00:17:13,101 --> 00:17:16,035 [tranquil music] 341 00:17:17,277 --> 00:17:19,348 - [Larry] So yeah, on the one hand, it's gonna be 342 00:17:19,383 --> 00:17:21,316 who is this guy exactly? 343 00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:22,869 How is he coming up 344 00:17:22,903 --> 00:17:25,699 with this exciting discovery when we're not? 345 00:17:25,734 --> 00:17:29,289 But actually, you might consider it the opposite way, 346 00:17:29,324 --> 00:17:30,911 the large telescope, 347 00:17:30,946 --> 00:17:33,638 you never have much observing time on any one object. 348 00:17:33,673 --> 00:17:35,916 That means there's a whole class of questions 349 00:17:35,951 --> 00:17:39,092 they can't answer, questions that involve 350 00:17:39,127 --> 00:17:41,094 how things change over time. 351 00:17:41,129 --> 00:17:42,854 [tranquil music] 352 00:17:42,889 --> 00:17:46,479 - There's only a handful of these giant research telescopes. 353 00:17:46,513 --> 00:17:48,791 You can't tie them up night after night, 354 00:17:48,826 --> 00:17:53,934 monitoring a star that may or may not erupt. 355 00:17:53,969 --> 00:17:56,903 [tranquil music] 356 00:17:58,284 --> 00:18:01,114 - [Larry] How would a astronomer from a bigger institution 357 00:18:01,149 --> 00:18:02,909 have done the 18 months 358 00:18:02,943 --> 00:18:04,807 of follow-up observations we've done? 359 00:18:04,842 --> 00:18:08,673 We've done tens of thousands of images of this star 360 00:18:08,708 --> 00:18:11,435 since it first came to our attention. 361 00:18:11,469 --> 00:18:14,679 [tranquil music] 362 00:18:14,714 --> 00:18:16,371 - I don't know if other astronomers 363 00:18:16,405 --> 00:18:19,960 would have the freedom of mind even to sort of pause 364 00:18:19,995 --> 00:18:22,204 and say, "What is this thing we've seen in the sky 365 00:18:22,239 --> 00:18:23,447 and what might this mean? 366 00:18:23,481 --> 00:18:25,173 What might it imply?" 367 00:18:25,207 --> 00:18:27,968 [tranquil music] 368 00:18:28,003 --> 00:18:29,763 - At a less distinguished university, 369 00:18:29,798 --> 00:18:32,318 sometimes you have more intellectual freedom. 370 00:18:32,352 --> 00:18:33,733 The downside, of course, 371 00:18:33,767 --> 00:18:35,010 is that you don't have the resources. 372 00:18:35,044 --> 00:18:36,598 So in a weird way, 373 00:18:36,632 --> 00:18:40,015 modern academia pushes resources towards the people 374 00:18:40,049 --> 00:18:43,605 who are doing the most incremental 375 00:18:43,639 --> 00:18:45,917 and least groundbreaking work, 376 00:18:45,952 --> 00:18:49,783 and the people who are doing the really exciting, risky work 377 00:18:49,818 --> 00:18:52,303 are displaced from those resources. 378 00:18:52,338 --> 00:18:55,168 [bag rustling] 379 00:18:55,203 --> 00:18:58,309 - [Larry] Cleaning the mirror is a very delicate thing. 380 00:18:58,344 --> 00:19:00,380 Everything else is a small piece, can be fixed, 381 00:19:00,415 --> 00:19:01,830 can be repaired, whatever, 382 00:19:01,864 --> 00:19:03,763 but the mirror you're gonna have right. 383 00:19:03,797 --> 00:19:06,041 We don't have any formal room to do it in, 384 00:19:06,075 --> 00:19:09,044 so we just have to do it extremely carefully. 385 00:19:09,078 --> 00:19:11,633 Any scratch you have, you have forever. 386 00:19:11,667 --> 00:19:14,567 You break the mirror, we have no telescope. 387 00:19:17,984 --> 00:19:21,229 Jason asked me if he dropped it, 388 00:19:21,263 --> 00:19:23,541 whether he'd have a job in the fall. 389 00:19:25,819 --> 00:19:26,958 - The answer was "No." 390 00:19:26,993 --> 00:19:28,857 - [Larry] The answer was "No." 391 00:19:29,961 --> 00:19:32,240 - [Jason] Okay, have to be honest, right? 392 00:19:34,173 --> 00:19:36,244 - [Larry] While I'm holding that together, 393 00:19:36,278 --> 00:19:38,211 you can take out the last three screws. 394 00:19:38,246 --> 00:19:40,075 So I'm gonna stand in the middle here 395 00:19:40,109 --> 00:19:42,905 and actually just put my head right against that. 396 00:19:47,358 --> 00:19:50,189 [feet shuffling] 397 00:19:51,983 --> 00:19:53,226 [phone ringing] 398 00:19:53,261 --> 00:19:56,264 Oh dear, could you pull that out of my pocket? 399 00:19:56,298 --> 00:19:57,334 - [Jason] Just like in class. 400 00:19:57,368 --> 00:19:58,749 Where is it? 401 00:19:58,783 --> 00:20:00,337 - [Larry] It's in my left pocket there. 402 00:20:00,371 --> 00:20:02,822 [phone ringing] 403 00:20:02,856 --> 00:20:05,031 - [Jason] Hello, Larry Molnar's phone. 404 00:20:06,895 --> 00:20:09,587 - I think there's the romance of small science 405 00:20:09,622 --> 00:20:11,762 making an important, in many ways, 406 00:20:11,796 --> 00:20:14,765 fundamental scientific discovery, and doing it 407 00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:17,388 at a small observatory rather than a big one 408 00:20:17,423 --> 00:20:18,389 that everyone has heard about, 409 00:20:18,424 --> 00:20:19,701 one of those famous ones 410 00:20:19,735 --> 00:20:22,255 that even non-scientists know about 411 00:20:22,290 --> 00:20:24,982 Behind the romance of doing small science, however, 412 00:20:25,016 --> 00:20:28,088 is simply a lot of hard work and a lot of worry. 413 00:20:29,745 --> 00:20:30,815 - [Jason] Yes. 414 00:20:30,850 --> 00:20:32,472 [Jason and Larry chuckling] 415 00:20:32,507 --> 00:20:34,233 My job is safe for now. 416 00:20:35,786 --> 00:20:38,478 - You don't need big telescopes necessarily, 417 00:20:38,513 --> 00:20:40,584 but what you need is perseverance, 418 00:20:42,793 --> 00:20:45,174 and you also need curiosity, 419 00:20:46,555 --> 00:20:51,042 the ability to ask questions without a preconceived notion 420 00:20:51,836 --> 00:20:52,734 of what you're gonna find. 421 00:20:54,908 --> 00:20:58,015 For good science to happen, you have to be open 422 00:20:58,049 --> 00:21:03,054 to whatever avenue the investigation is going to take you. 423 00:21:04,780 --> 00:21:07,852 [tranquil music] 424 00:21:12,788 --> 00:21:16,689 [tranquil music continues] 425 00:21:21,349 --> 00:21:22,798 [crew chattering faintly] 426 00:21:22,833 --> 00:21:24,213 - [Larry] We are here in Chaco Canyon 427 00:21:24,248 --> 00:21:26,423 to see something you can't see anywhere else, 428 00:21:26,457 --> 00:21:29,805 a pictograph made by people a thousand years ago 429 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,945 of a star that exploded then, 430 00:21:32,774 --> 00:21:35,190 the first known exploding star. 431 00:21:35,224 --> 00:21:38,538 - The flaring star is actually the representation 432 00:21:38,573 --> 00:21:40,264 of the supernova. 433 00:21:40,299 --> 00:21:44,095 - Yeah, so I think they have the moon and the exploding star 434 00:21:44,130 --> 00:21:45,890 done the same way as the hand, 435 00:21:45,925 --> 00:21:48,341 is just to say they're all done by the same person 436 00:21:48,376 --> 00:21:49,377 at the same time. 437 00:21:50,550 --> 00:21:52,449 - [Matt] This also kind of mimics the looking up 438 00:21:52,483 --> 00:21:54,865 at the night sky or the daytime sky, too, you're looking up. 439 00:21:54,899 --> 00:21:57,316 - I think that's a good point, yeah. 440 00:21:58,558 --> 00:22:01,043 The thought that the moon and the sun and the star 441 00:22:01,078 --> 00:22:04,046 were all visible at the same time 442 00:22:04,081 --> 00:22:06,808 seems plausible an interpretation. 443 00:22:06,842 --> 00:22:10,432 I have to think, if you saw the star explode, 444 00:22:10,467 --> 00:22:14,505 in that case, more impressive than ours predictions by far, 445 00:22:14,540 --> 00:22:17,197 so bright that you can see it in the middle of the day, 446 00:22:17,232 --> 00:22:19,441 that's worth noticing, that's worth handing down, 447 00:22:19,476 --> 00:22:21,305 and I think that's what these pictographs are about. 448 00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:23,342 It's something worth handing down. 449 00:22:25,792 --> 00:22:28,174 [birds chirping] 450 00:22:28,208 --> 00:22:30,832 - It's fun to think about, a thousand years ago is 451 00:22:30,866 --> 00:22:33,041 when this civilization was thriving, 452 00:22:33,075 --> 00:22:35,595 and that's when they saw that supernova 453 00:22:35,630 --> 00:22:37,252 that's depicted down below. 454 00:22:38,495 --> 00:22:41,394 1000 years is the same time it's taken for the light 455 00:22:41,429 --> 00:22:44,397 from the star that Larry's discovered to reach us. 456 00:22:46,503 --> 00:22:47,780 - We're small people. 457 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,542 We can see what's left behind, 458 00:22:51,577 --> 00:22:55,546 but can only guess at the culture, the politics, 459 00:22:55,581 --> 00:22:58,963 the personal stories of all the people who were here then. 460 00:23:00,102 --> 00:23:02,588 In astronomy, by contrast, we see the past. 461 00:23:02,622 --> 00:23:04,175 If we see the star low up, 462 00:23:04,210 --> 00:23:06,799 we're gonna see what happened a thousand years ago 463 00:23:06,833 --> 00:23:08,870 with our modern cameras. 464 00:23:08,904 --> 00:23:11,838 We're directly observing the past, 465 00:23:11,873 --> 00:23:13,909 and it goes on, as we see distant galaxies, 466 00:23:13,944 --> 00:23:16,567 we're seeing not just 1000 years in the past, 467 00:23:16,602 --> 00:23:19,501 but a million years and a billion years in the past. 468 00:23:19,536 --> 00:23:21,641 Every slice of the history of the universe 469 00:23:21,676 --> 00:23:23,540 is actually still observable today 470 00:23:23,574 --> 00:23:26,991 in more detail than you can get the history of this canyon. 471 00:23:30,788 --> 00:23:33,722 [upbeat music] 472 00:23:35,275 --> 00:23:37,036 The American astronomical society 473 00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:38,934 is probably the largest meeting 474 00:23:38,969 --> 00:23:41,834 in the world each year of astronomers. 475 00:23:42,835 --> 00:23:44,768 It's a tremendously exciting feeling 476 00:23:44,802 --> 00:23:47,529 to consider the announcement I'm gonna make. 477 00:23:47,564 --> 00:23:50,808 At the same time, it's a very nerve wracking thing 478 00:23:50,843 --> 00:23:53,604 because there will be skepticism, 479 00:23:53,639 --> 00:23:56,780 and I need to be as prepared as I can be for that. 480 00:23:56,814 --> 00:23:59,817 [upbeat music] 481 00:24:01,716 --> 00:24:03,407 If our star does blow up 482 00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:04,995 and you go back and take a picture of it two years later, 483 00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:06,962 this is what it might look like. 484 00:24:08,101 --> 00:24:10,172 There's nobody making predictions of stars 485 00:24:10,207 --> 00:24:11,967 that are going to explode. 486 00:24:12,002 --> 00:24:14,073 That kind of prediction has never been made before. 487 00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:18,111 For a great claim, you gotta have great evidence, 488 00:24:18,146 --> 00:24:21,460 and you better have done things really carefully. 489 00:24:22,426 --> 00:24:23,565 Yeah. 490 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,395 [cars whirring] 491 00:24:27,776 --> 00:24:32,781 Last Thursday, though, I came up with another hypothesis. 492 00:24:33,610 --> 00:24:35,059 There is another possibility, 493 00:24:35,094 --> 00:24:37,821 merging star isn't the only card on the table. 494 00:24:39,512 --> 00:24:42,826 The idea is really relatively simple to describe. 495 00:24:44,034 --> 00:24:46,485 Perhaps the timing is all messed up 496 00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:48,694 because our pair of stars is, in fact, 497 00:24:48,728 --> 00:24:50,281 orbiting a third star. 498 00:24:51,420 --> 00:24:53,492 - So if you have a star orbiting another star 499 00:24:53,526 --> 00:24:55,045 with a really big orbit, 500 00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:56,460 and if they slingshot around each other, 501 00:24:56,495 --> 00:24:59,083 that star is getting constantly closer to us. 502 00:24:59,118 --> 00:25:01,569 - [Larry] It could be that this whole last 15 years, 503 00:25:01,603 --> 00:25:04,088 the star has been coming in faster and faster 504 00:25:04,123 --> 00:25:05,504 as it's coming in towards you, 505 00:25:05,538 --> 00:25:08,092 and it might be 20 years before it comes in 506 00:25:08,127 --> 00:25:09,542 and then goes out again. 507 00:25:11,337 --> 00:25:13,477 - From the very beginning, I have to say, 508 00:25:13,512 --> 00:25:17,239 Larry did have the third-body model in mind. 509 00:25:17,274 --> 00:25:19,069 He didn't forget about it. 510 00:25:20,449 --> 00:25:22,486 He actually relied on some collaborators who checked it 511 00:25:22,521 --> 00:25:25,627 and then assured him, "Oh, no, it's not a problem." 512 00:25:25,662 --> 00:25:27,733 But Larry is a careful guy, 513 00:25:27,767 --> 00:25:31,184 and just before he went to the conference in Seattle, 514 00:25:31,219 --> 00:25:33,462 he thought to check those numbers and he realized, 515 00:25:33,497 --> 00:25:37,536 uh-oh, they didn't check this one set of parameters 516 00:25:37,570 --> 00:25:41,263 that actually could allow this to be a third body. 517 00:25:42,851 --> 00:25:44,681 - I don't think I'm disappointed 518 00:25:44,715 --> 00:25:48,305 so much as it was exhausting 519 00:25:48,339 --> 00:25:50,514 that I needed to think about this. 520 00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:53,068 You don't wanna go and say something 521 00:25:53,103 --> 00:25:54,449 you're gonna regret later 522 00:25:54,483 --> 00:25:56,555 because there's some silly alternative 523 00:25:56,589 --> 00:26:00,075 that you should have been aware of but you weren't aware of. 524 00:26:00,110 --> 00:26:03,216 [cheerful music] 525 00:26:05,322 --> 00:26:08,152 What's striking though is the two different predictions 526 00:26:08,187 --> 00:26:10,154 agree completely for the past. 527 00:26:10,189 --> 00:26:13,364 Next year, the third-body model says 528 00:26:13,399 --> 00:26:16,540 it's going to turn around, start going back the other way. 529 00:26:16,575 --> 00:26:18,611 The merger blow-up model says no, 530 00:26:18,646 --> 00:26:21,476 it's just gonna keep going down and down. 531 00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:23,961 So we don't know today what's gonna happen, 532 00:26:23,996 --> 00:26:25,376 but it means we will know, 533 00:26:25,411 --> 00:26:26,999 we will know very soon, next summer, 534 00:26:27,033 --> 00:26:28,587 when we have this chance to observe it, 535 00:26:28,621 --> 00:26:31,279 did it go this way or did it go that way? 536 00:26:34,385 --> 00:26:36,595 - [Dan] So now instead of announcing this exciting finding 537 00:26:36,629 --> 00:26:39,459 to the media, Larry's just gonna give an update 538 00:26:39,494 --> 00:26:42,911 to a bunch of astronomers about his progress on the project. 539 00:26:44,223 --> 00:26:46,225 - [Larry] Unfortunate, having asked 540 00:26:46,259 --> 00:26:48,607 to have a press conference and having gotten them to agree 541 00:26:48,641 --> 00:26:51,161 that this would be exciting, to have to then go back 542 00:26:51,195 --> 00:26:53,612 and say, "Well, I think it's premature." 543 00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:58,686 - Science is very rarely 100% certain. 544 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,240 The initial results are often tantalizing, 545 00:27:01,274 --> 00:27:03,345 but not conclusive. 546 00:27:04,933 --> 00:27:07,626 - It is really chasing particular ideas as far as they'll go 547 00:27:07,660 --> 00:27:11,250 and having faith in your own intuitions 548 00:27:11,284 --> 00:27:12,734 about what are good questions 549 00:27:12,769 --> 00:27:14,840 and what are not good questions. 550 00:27:14,874 --> 00:27:17,636 [tranquil music] 551 00:27:17,670 --> 00:27:21,847 - People think of science as this big pile of facts. 552 00:27:21,881 --> 00:27:26,023 They are literally given a book and say this is science, 553 00:27:26,058 --> 00:27:27,749 but in fact, science is often grappling 554 00:27:27,784 --> 00:27:30,234 with what we don't know about the world. 555 00:27:32,133 --> 00:27:34,480 - By definition, you're pushing the limits, 556 00:27:34,514 --> 00:27:36,655 you're working at the edge of knowledge, 557 00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:40,382 but it's scary out there on the edge. 558 00:27:40,417 --> 00:27:44,179 - So in conclusion, somewhere there is a star 559 00:27:44,214 --> 00:27:47,079 that right now is within 10 years of merger, 560 00:27:47,113 --> 00:27:49,391 and we should find that before it goes off. 561 00:27:49,426 --> 00:27:51,255 Thanks for your attention. 562 00:27:51,290 --> 00:27:54,293 [audience clapping] 563 00:27:54,327 --> 00:27:58,262 - In practice, science is an intensely human, 564 00:27:58,297 --> 00:28:02,232 very personal, difficult, challenging field. 565 00:28:02,266 --> 00:28:05,476 [melancholy music] 566 00:28:09,929 --> 00:28:14,037 [melancholy music continues] 567 00:28:14,071 --> 00:28:15,797 - After Harvard, Larry was invited 568 00:28:15,832 --> 00:28:17,626 to go to the University of Iowa 569 00:28:17,661 --> 00:28:19,939 and to be a part of the physics department there, 570 00:28:19,974 --> 00:28:25,427 and I think that he and Cindy perhaps anticipated 571 00:28:26,083 --> 00:28:27,636 this being the place 572 00:28:27,671 --> 00:28:28,810 where they would live out their academic lives. 573 00:28:28,845 --> 00:28:30,260 He liked it very much. 574 00:28:30,294 --> 00:28:32,158 They were well planted in the community, 575 00:28:32,193 --> 00:28:35,127 and then a couple years into it, 576 00:28:35,161 --> 00:28:36,645 life broke into that department 577 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,096 in a way that was really horrible. 578 00:28:39,131 --> 00:28:42,721 [melancholy music] 579 00:28:42,755 --> 00:28:46,207 - I got a phone call from a girlfriend 580 00:28:46,241 --> 00:28:48,830 who said, "Is Larry okay?" 581 00:28:48,865 --> 00:28:52,592 And I said, "Well, what do you mean is Larry okay?" 582 00:28:55,457 --> 00:28:58,737 And she said, "There's been a shooting in his department." 583 00:29:00,083 --> 00:29:01,601 - There's been a shooting 584 00:29:01,636 --> 00:29:03,327 at the University of Iowa campus in Iowa City. 585 00:29:03,362 --> 00:29:05,364 - [Reporter] An unidentified gunman opened fire, 586 00:29:05,398 --> 00:29:07,780 killing at least three people. 587 00:29:07,815 --> 00:29:10,679 - First word is that the gunman was a graduate student 588 00:29:10,714 --> 00:29:13,096 upset about the grading of a paper. 589 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,754 - [Reporter] Angered at being passed over 590 00:29:15,788 --> 00:29:17,583 for an academic award, he killed a rival student 591 00:29:17,617 --> 00:29:19,412 who was honored and then shot to death 592 00:29:19,447 --> 00:29:20,724 three of his professors. 593 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:23,278 The gunman then took his own life. 594 00:29:25,073 --> 00:29:28,076 [ominous music] 595 00:29:32,529 --> 00:29:35,635 - Gang Lu was an extremely bright guy. 596 00:29:35,670 --> 00:29:37,672 He was, as far as I recall, number one 597 00:29:37,706 --> 00:29:39,778 at Beijing University in physics, 598 00:29:39,812 --> 00:29:44,092 and as far as I know, had never ever not scored the highest 599 00:29:44,127 --> 00:29:46,612 on any exam he ever took. 600 00:29:46,646 --> 00:29:49,580 [ominous music] 601 00:29:49,615 --> 00:29:53,067 There is a prize given for the best PhD thesis 602 00:29:53,101 --> 00:29:54,344 at the University of Iowa. 603 00:29:54,378 --> 00:29:56,346 He did not win that prize. 604 00:29:58,244 --> 00:30:01,454 [melancholy music] 605 00:30:06,494 --> 00:30:10,532 [melancholy music continues] 606 00:30:11,740 --> 00:30:14,329 - In the time following the shooting, 607 00:30:19,472 --> 00:30:21,958 there's a great emptiness left 608 00:30:21,992 --> 00:30:27,377 where the people you've lost are not there anymore. 609 00:30:28,274 --> 00:30:31,450 [melancholy music] 610 00:30:35,454 --> 00:30:38,043 [melancholy music continues] 611 00:30:38,077 --> 00:30:41,287 - I just remember him being heartbroken by the whole thing, 612 00:30:41,322 --> 00:30:46,051 and that was just a devastating thing 613 00:30:46,085 --> 00:30:47,604 for that whole community. 614 00:30:50,089 --> 00:30:53,679 [melancholy music] 615 00:30:53,713 --> 00:30:56,406 - It was a moment that kind of highlights the differences 616 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,410 between what one person most values 617 00:31:00,444 --> 00:31:02,861 and what another person values. 618 00:31:04,138 --> 00:31:06,105 So it was not to him imaginable 619 00:31:06,140 --> 00:31:08,487 that he could be second in anything. 620 00:31:09,626 --> 00:31:13,423 That was deep in his self identity, 621 00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:19,532 and it really brought to the fore a different perspective 622 00:31:19,567 --> 00:31:22,604 on what my self value was, 623 00:31:23,778 --> 00:31:27,955 that my value has been given to me in my faith, 624 00:31:27,989 --> 00:31:30,371 so that what's important is that I'm doing work 625 00:31:30,405 --> 00:31:32,752 that is in itself meaningful, 626 00:31:32,787 --> 00:31:36,549 regardless of an award or recognition, 627 00:31:36,584 --> 00:31:38,482 and that I do work with people 628 00:31:38,517 --> 00:31:42,486 and I try to make that interaction itself meaningful. 629 00:31:44,281 --> 00:31:46,835 Doing the astronomy, loving the astronomy, 630 00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:51,461 but not being defined by the astronomy. 631 00:31:51,495 --> 00:31:54,740 [melancholy music] 632 00:31:56,121 --> 00:31:58,192 - [Chef] When the turkey comes out, you wanna let it sit, 633 00:31:58,226 --> 00:31:59,918 absorb back all that great juice. 634 00:31:59,952 --> 00:32:01,057 The way you do it- 635 00:32:01,091 --> 00:32:03,093 - [Larry] Remember how it works? 636 00:32:03,128 --> 00:32:04,784 - [Guest] Work with it, with it. 637 00:32:04,819 --> 00:32:07,995 - [Guest] It's always [indistinct] on the table. 638 00:32:08,029 --> 00:32:11,930 - So it's Thanksgiving, just drove in from New York 639 00:32:13,932 --> 00:32:16,244 to visit my parents for a day or two. 640 00:32:17,763 --> 00:32:21,940 I'm a writer, fiction, prose. 641 00:32:21,974 --> 00:32:25,426 I'm definitely not interested in science in the slightest. 642 00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:28,153 My dad has that sort of cornered. 643 00:32:28,187 --> 00:32:30,189 You know, you come home and see him reading a book, 644 00:32:30,224 --> 00:32:32,743 it's all equations or something. 645 00:32:32,778 --> 00:32:34,814 It's like totally his passion. 646 00:32:36,264 --> 00:32:38,853 [mixer whirring] 647 00:32:38,887 --> 00:32:41,476 - So it's always been my job to make the mashed potatoes 648 00:32:41,511 --> 00:32:43,444 because her tradition isn't to have potatoes, 649 00:32:43,478 --> 00:32:45,101 but rather to have rice. 650 00:32:45,135 --> 00:32:46,481 - [Cindy] One of our vacation. 651 00:32:46,516 --> 00:32:48,276 - Just the right consistency, in my view. 652 00:32:48,311 --> 00:32:50,934 Not too smooth, but not too lumpy. 653 00:32:52,108 --> 00:32:55,697 Adds a variation on the Chinese cuisine here. 654 00:32:57,251 --> 00:33:00,357 [tranquil music] 655 00:33:04,810 --> 00:33:06,605 - It's been accepted for a long time 656 00:33:06,639 --> 00:33:09,884 that what are sometimes called non-scientific factors 657 00:33:09,918 --> 00:33:12,473 have an important role on the way science develops 658 00:33:12,507 --> 00:33:13,957 and changes over time. 659 00:33:16,753 --> 00:33:19,859 The work that any individual person does 660 00:33:19,894 --> 00:33:23,484 is a confluence of the institutional social forces, 661 00:33:23,518 --> 00:33:25,762 as well as their own personal biography 662 00:33:25,796 --> 00:33:28,765 and beliefs, or maybe even ideology. 663 00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:30,249 - Shall I give thanks now? 664 00:33:30,284 --> 00:33:31,975 - Yes. - All right. 665 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:34,046 - Heavenly Father, we thank you for this day 666 00:33:34,081 --> 00:33:35,392 when we all gather together. 667 00:33:35,427 --> 00:33:37,705 - When I first met Larry, 668 00:33:37,739 --> 00:33:39,879 didn't really know his background. 669 00:33:39,914 --> 00:33:43,055 I didn't know, for example, that he was deeply religious. 670 00:33:43,090 --> 00:33:45,126 [tranquil music] 671 00:33:45,161 --> 00:33:48,267 Was it surprising that he was so religious 672 00:33:48,302 --> 00:33:49,372 and yet such a good scientist? 673 00:33:49,406 --> 00:33:51,098 Yes, at first it was to me. 674 00:33:51,132 --> 00:33:54,618 I think, basically, one can draw a line 675 00:33:54,653 --> 00:33:56,586 and say there's certain things that I'll accept 676 00:33:56,620 --> 00:33:59,589 without question, and everything else I will question, 677 00:33:59,623 --> 00:34:02,212 and obviously, that's what Larry does. 678 00:34:02,247 --> 00:34:05,905 He's an excellent scientist so he's able to balance that. 679 00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:08,046 [tranquil music] 680 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,738 - When we do notice that a scientist has 681 00:34:10,772 --> 00:34:12,774 some interesting personality feature 682 00:34:12,809 --> 00:34:14,742 or an unusual background, 683 00:34:14,776 --> 00:34:18,539 we say they're doing science in spite of that, 684 00:34:18,573 --> 00:34:20,299 but really, those are the things 685 00:34:20,334 --> 00:34:22,577 that make the great scientists. 686 00:34:23,854 --> 00:34:25,477 That's what points people at interesting projects 687 00:34:25,511 --> 00:34:27,410 and gives them the kind of resources they need 688 00:34:27,444 --> 00:34:28,928 to solve those problems. 689 00:34:30,827 --> 00:34:32,829 - I think Larry is motivated 690 00:34:32,863 --> 00:34:36,695 by a complex sense of calling to be faithful, 691 00:34:37,834 --> 00:34:41,769 to be faithful to his God, to his work, 692 00:34:41,803 --> 00:34:44,979 to his family, to his community. 693 00:34:46,394 --> 00:34:48,500 That's at the core of who he is. 694 00:34:51,882 --> 00:34:54,644 - I don't need to do science to have value. 695 00:34:54,678 --> 00:34:56,301 I can do science for the joy of it. 696 00:34:56,335 --> 00:34:59,269 I can do science because the world's just so interesting. 697 00:34:59,304 --> 00:35:02,134 I can do science because God made an amazing universe 698 00:35:02,169 --> 00:35:07,553 and I'm revealing some of his glory by seeing what that is. 699 00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:10,246 [tranquil music] 700 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,352 - He is deeply curious, 701 00:35:13,387 --> 00:35:15,768 someone who has that raw, just hunger 702 00:35:15,803 --> 00:35:17,563 to understand the cosmos, 703 00:35:17,598 --> 00:35:20,842 and I always saw that with Professor Molnar, 704 00:35:20,877 --> 00:35:24,052 even in the most stressful situations. 705 00:35:25,468 --> 00:35:28,609 - [Larry] I don't know really whether it'll blow up or not, 706 00:35:28,643 --> 00:35:30,335 and there's one side of me 707 00:35:30,369 --> 00:35:32,785 that really doesn't actually care. 708 00:35:33,614 --> 00:35:35,443 What I wanna know is the truth. 709 00:35:35,478 --> 00:35:37,480 What is this star about? 710 00:35:39,689 --> 00:35:42,761 [cheerful music] 711 00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:45,591 So we've been waiting since last November 712 00:35:45,626 --> 00:35:47,248 to get any new data whatsoever 713 00:35:47,283 --> 00:35:49,733 'cause the star is too close to the Sun. 714 00:35:50,872 --> 00:35:53,772 When exactly you kick off the new season 715 00:35:53,806 --> 00:35:57,845 depends on the Moon and the clouds and your busyness. 716 00:35:59,018 --> 00:36:01,573 Dan van Noord, my first student on this project, 717 00:36:01,607 --> 00:36:03,299 having just graduated in December, 718 00:36:03,333 --> 00:36:06,336 is now working full-time for Optec Incorporated. 719 00:36:06,371 --> 00:36:09,201 And then this summer, I have a new student, Kara, 720 00:36:09,236 --> 00:36:11,652 actually specifically transferred to Calvin 721 00:36:11,686 --> 00:36:13,550 so that she could work with me. 722 00:36:14,793 --> 00:36:16,795 - A lot of profs use research students 723 00:36:16,829 --> 00:36:21,179 as sort of grunt work, and they send you to do this or that 724 00:36:21,213 --> 00:36:24,561 or fill in numbers without really explaining to you 725 00:36:24,596 --> 00:36:26,080 what you're doing. 726 00:36:26,114 --> 00:36:27,840 Whereas I found Professor Molnar is very big 727 00:36:27,875 --> 00:36:30,878 on explaining the theory of what's going on 728 00:36:30,912 --> 00:36:34,640 and why it matters, which is really unique and special. 729 00:36:34,675 --> 00:36:37,747 [cheerful music] 730 00:36:37,781 --> 00:36:39,197 - So what we're looking at right now 731 00:36:39,231 --> 00:36:42,752 is my extracting from images of the night sky, 732 00:36:42,786 --> 00:36:45,133 a real record of brightness versus time. 733 00:36:46,376 --> 00:36:49,068 I can click and see what the image looks like there. 734 00:36:49,103 --> 00:36:51,070 That's what beautiful data look like. 735 00:36:51,105 --> 00:36:54,729 Nice small stars, black sky, easy to measure. 736 00:36:54,764 --> 00:36:56,144 Or I can click on one of these noisy things 737 00:36:56,179 --> 00:36:59,147 and I see that's a cloud wandering by, 738 00:36:59,182 --> 00:37:01,115 and so I'm gonna have to edit out the clouds 739 00:37:01,149 --> 00:37:03,807 that came by and make use of what remains. 740 00:37:04,946 --> 00:37:06,534 I am excited to finally see 741 00:37:06,569 --> 00:37:09,744 what is happening now since November. 742 00:37:09,779 --> 00:37:11,988 So while I've been calibrating these data 743 00:37:12,022 --> 00:37:14,266 from our small telescope, looking to see 744 00:37:14,301 --> 00:37:17,856 what the timing has done, we also got approval 745 00:37:17,890 --> 00:37:19,513 of observing time in June, 746 00:37:19,547 --> 00:37:20,997 which is the height of the season, 747 00:37:21,031 --> 00:37:24,138 to get the spectroscopy we need to really test, 748 00:37:24,172 --> 00:37:26,727 one way or another, for the third body. 749 00:37:26,761 --> 00:37:29,281 [cheerful music] 750 00:37:29,316 --> 00:37:31,835 - Apache Point Observatory is at the elevation 751 00:37:31,870 --> 00:37:35,943 of 2,700 meters, so it's almost about 9,000 feet. 752 00:37:35,977 --> 00:37:38,497 We're in the American Southwest, which is classically known 753 00:37:38,532 --> 00:37:40,258 as a very good, dark site. 754 00:37:40,292 --> 00:37:44,641 The skies are clear for almost 300 nights out of the year. 755 00:37:44,676 --> 00:37:47,851 [uplifting music] 756 00:37:50,889 --> 00:37:52,994 - You always know that if you get two good nights 757 00:37:53,029 --> 00:37:55,859 on a big telescope, it could be cloudy those nights, 758 00:37:55,894 --> 00:37:57,620 you could lose it all for that season 759 00:37:57,654 --> 00:37:59,000 and have to wait another year, 760 00:37:59,035 --> 00:38:00,899 so that's where we hedge our bets. 761 00:38:00,933 --> 00:38:03,315 We're gonna schedule similar things at the spectroscope 762 00:38:03,350 --> 00:38:04,661 in Wyoming as well. 763 00:38:05,352 --> 00:38:08,320 [uplifting music] 764 00:38:09,908 --> 00:38:12,255 - [Kara] So it's kind of exciting to be sent on my own here, 765 00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:14,119 a little nerve wracking. 766 00:38:14,153 --> 00:38:15,362 [car whirring] 767 00:38:15,396 --> 00:38:17,225 - We bring in five or six undergraduates 768 00:38:17,260 --> 00:38:19,262 from all over the country every summer, 769 00:38:19,297 --> 00:38:22,369 and we're delighted to have Kara from Calvin College 770 00:38:22,403 --> 00:38:25,130 as part of this collection of summer students. 771 00:38:25,164 --> 00:38:27,097 It's one of life's pleasant ironies 772 00:38:27,132 --> 00:38:31,032 that we're able to host a student of my former advisor. 773 00:38:31,067 --> 00:38:32,931 A large part of where I am in my career 774 00:38:32,965 --> 00:38:35,278 is thanks to the experience I was able to have 775 00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:38,419 with Dr. Molnar, and have him teach me 776 00:38:38,454 --> 00:38:39,834 how to be an astronomer. 777 00:38:39,869 --> 00:38:42,250 That's what we want to do for Kara now. 778 00:38:42,285 --> 00:38:45,530 [telescope whirring] 779 00:38:45,564 --> 00:38:48,947 - [Larry] We need to understand more details about our star. 780 00:38:48,981 --> 00:38:51,259 We need to understand are there two stars 781 00:38:51,294 --> 00:38:52,744 or are there three? 782 00:38:52,778 --> 00:38:54,677 We need to know how the two stars are moving. 783 00:38:54,711 --> 00:38:57,162 For that, you need spectroscopy. 784 00:38:57,196 --> 00:38:59,337 - I've always found spectroscopic observation 785 00:38:59,371 --> 00:39:01,442 to be really interesting and exciting. 786 00:39:01,477 --> 00:39:04,825 All these tiny variations in the length of the waves 787 00:39:04,859 --> 00:39:07,828 can tell us so much about these huge balls of gas 788 00:39:07,862 --> 00:39:09,692 millions of light years away. 789 00:39:09,726 --> 00:39:11,556 [tranquil music] 790 00:39:11,590 --> 00:39:13,040 - [Larry] So the question now will be 791 00:39:13,074 --> 00:39:15,836 how do we process these data? 792 00:39:17,216 --> 00:39:20,116 While both Karen and Jason, my colleagues, 793 00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:23,188 have worked with spectroscopic data in the past, 794 00:39:23,222 --> 00:39:24,741 neither of them have actually dealt 795 00:39:24,776 --> 00:39:26,950 with exactly this question. 796 00:39:28,227 --> 00:39:30,920 - [Matt] 90% of science is figuring out what to do, 797 00:39:30,954 --> 00:39:33,785 and the other 10% is actually doing it. 798 00:39:33,819 --> 00:39:36,960 [tranquil music] 799 00:39:38,376 --> 00:39:41,033 - [Kara] If the data is good and we're good at analyzing it, 800 00:39:41,068 --> 00:39:44,968 hopefully we'll know if there is or isn't a third body. 801 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,833 - [Larry] If it's there, there's some reasonable chance 802 00:39:47,868 --> 00:39:49,283 we could already see it. 803 00:39:50,388 --> 00:39:51,768 If it's not there, 804 00:39:51,803 --> 00:39:53,805 I don't think we can 100% rule it out. 805 00:39:54,978 --> 00:39:56,324 - [Kara] We maybe saw a blip that could be that, 806 00:39:56,359 --> 00:39:58,913 but it's so small it could be noise. 807 00:40:00,121 --> 00:40:01,882 - I'm only asking is there a big star 808 00:40:01,916 --> 00:40:04,816 that's pushing it around and confusing me 809 00:40:04,850 --> 00:40:07,577 and making me say crazy things, right? 810 00:40:07,612 --> 00:40:10,304 Or is there not a big star? 811 00:40:10,338 --> 00:40:13,065 [gentle music] 812 00:40:17,104 --> 00:40:20,901 [gentle music continues] 813 00:40:21,902 --> 00:40:23,282 - I guess you never know in science 814 00:40:23,317 --> 00:40:25,630 if you'll get the answer you're expecting 815 00:40:25,664 --> 00:40:27,701 or something wholly unexpected, 816 00:40:27,735 --> 00:40:29,150 and that's the fun part of science, 817 00:40:29,185 --> 00:40:31,118 and the fun part of the universe is 818 00:40:31,152 --> 00:40:33,845 that there's just a lot we don't know yet. 819 00:40:33,879 --> 00:40:36,882 [gentle music] 820 00:40:39,333 --> 00:40:42,198 At this point, everything hinges on that third body. 821 00:40:42,232 --> 00:40:45,201 If we find it, then that's the explanation 822 00:40:45,235 --> 00:40:47,479 for what Larry's seeing, and his expectation 823 00:40:47,514 --> 00:40:50,482 of an exploding star isn't gonna happen. 824 00:40:50,517 --> 00:40:52,415 [gentle music] 825 00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:54,106 Just like great astronomers in the past, 826 00:40:54,141 --> 00:40:56,143 we're trying to figure out which model gives us 827 00:40:56,177 --> 00:40:58,663 the best explanation for what we're seeing. 828 00:40:58,697 --> 00:41:02,011 [suspenseful music] 829 00:41:04,151 --> 00:41:05,670 - [Dave] By the end of the 16th century, 830 00:41:05,704 --> 00:41:08,569 when you have people like Brahe noticing things 831 00:41:08,604 --> 00:41:10,502 that were wrong in the sky, 832 00:41:10,537 --> 00:41:13,919 this sort of starts a chain reaction. 833 00:41:13,954 --> 00:41:15,438 His student, Kepler, 834 00:41:15,473 --> 00:41:18,234 notices that some other things don't match. 835 00:41:19,580 --> 00:41:22,997 And then there's this young Italian, Galileo Galilei, 836 00:41:23,032 --> 00:41:24,930 who doesn't invent the telescope, 837 00:41:24,965 --> 00:41:27,795 but gets really good at pointing it at the sky. 838 00:41:28,934 --> 00:41:30,936 So we've got moons going around Jupiter, 839 00:41:30,971 --> 00:41:32,938 and we've got spots on the Sun, 840 00:41:32,973 --> 00:41:34,975 and we've got craters on the Moon. 841 00:41:36,424 --> 00:41:39,186 - People who studied these things realized 842 00:41:39,220 --> 00:41:42,016 that if you wanted to get a coherent structure, 843 00:41:42,051 --> 00:41:46,193 you've got to move to a new kind of world. 844 00:41:47,574 --> 00:41:50,335 - What was so revolutionary about what they were doing 845 00:41:50,369 --> 00:41:53,234 was that they were making the heavens knowable 846 00:41:53,269 --> 00:41:55,305 in the same way that the Earth was knowable. 847 00:41:55,340 --> 00:41:58,377 So it was science of a new caliber, 848 00:41:59,724 --> 00:42:02,278 it was a science that said our intellectual abilities 849 00:42:02,312 --> 00:42:07,214 as humans can be applied to things beyond our control, 850 00:42:07,248 --> 00:42:09,043 like the heavenly bodies. 851 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,977 And instead of being other, 852 00:42:12,012 --> 00:42:14,497 they became a part of the story of who we are. 853 00:42:14,532 --> 00:42:17,465 [tranquil music] 854 00:42:21,021 --> 00:42:25,163 - What happens following Tycho Brahe and Galileo 855 00:42:25,197 --> 00:42:28,097 is, eventually, Isaac Newton. 856 00:42:29,685 --> 00:42:33,240 - It is Newton's view of God as infinite and invisible 857 00:42:33,274 --> 00:42:35,553 that influences his understanding of the cosmos 858 00:42:35,587 --> 00:42:38,210 and of space and time and gravitation, 859 00:42:38,245 --> 00:42:41,282 and influences his perspective that this is a domain 860 00:42:41,317 --> 00:42:45,390 that we as intellectual creatures made in the image of God 861 00:42:45,424 --> 00:42:47,910 that's open to us for investigation. 862 00:42:49,187 --> 00:42:50,706 - And that's part of the excitement of science, 863 00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:52,639 when you put together your data for the first time 864 00:42:52,673 --> 00:42:55,538 in a way that you can start to analyze something physical 865 00:42:55,573 --> 00:42:58,023 about what's going on in the universe, 866 00:42:59,024 --> 00:43:00,301 that's the preliminary look. 867 00:43:00,336 --> 00:43:02,165 We see two distinct bumps. 868 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,305 Sometimes they blend together, but like right now, 869 00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:05,893 there's a bump on the right side, 870 00:43:05,928 --> 00:43:08,171 and as this little bump switches sides, 871 00:43:08,206 --> 00:43:10,691 that's telling us that there's a less massive star 872 00:43:10,726 --> 00:43:12,969 orbiting a more massive star. 873 00:43:14,246 --> 00:43:17,215 If there were a third star, my initial guess is 874 00:43:17,249 --> 00:43:19,942 it has to be pretty faint if it's there. 875 00:43:21,426 --> 00:43:24,084 - I think it's been a very productive evening, 876 00:43:24,118 --> 00:43:26,362 even though we're very tired. 877 00:43:26,396 --> 00:43:29,779 Her early numbers really match my expectations 878 00:43:29,814 --> 00:43:32,126 for a merging binary star 879 00:43:32,161 --> 00:43:34,750 that's all by itself without a third body, 880 00:43:34,784 --> 00:43:38,374 and we didn't really have that information till tonight, 881 00:43:38,408 --> 00:43:41,619 so I'm very excited that that seems to be what we're seeing. 882 00:43:44,345 --> 00:43:47,107 - So if we flip to the back, 883 00:43:48,522 --> 00:43:53,078 we can see our actual data from Apache Point on the left 884 00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:55,563 and WIRO in Wyoming on the right, 885 00:43:56,357 --> 00:43:58,118 and so what we're looking for- 886 00:43:58,152 --> 00:44:00,603 - So it's really been quite a rapid learning curve, 887 00:44:00,638 --> 00:44:03,537 to say that in four weeks we really understand 888 00:44:03,571 --> 00:44:07,023 what we're looking at and can draw a conclusion, 889 00:44:07,058 --> 00:44:10,268 where four weeks ago it was exciting to have brand new data 890 00:44:10,302 --> 00:44:13,374 in our hands, it's all the more satisfying now 891 00:44:13,409 --> 00:44:15,687 to say we know what the data are saying. 892 00:44:15,722 --> 00:44:17,068 - To the second background here. 893 00:44:17,102 --> 00:44:18,517 As we look at this chart, 894 00:44:18,552 --> 00:44:20,899 the first thing we have here is the period, 895 00:44:20,934 --> 00:44:22,625 which is getting faster and faster, 896 00:44:22,660 --> 00:44:25,041 so it's an important factor as we look at 897 00:44:25,076 --> 00:44:26,491 how soon it's gonna merge, 898 00:44:26,525 --> 00:44:28,700 with our predictions of three to five years. 899 00:44:28,735 --> 00:44:30,288 The key as far as figuring out 900 00:44:30,322 --> 00:44:31,772 whether or not there is a third body 901 00:44:31,807 --> 00:44:34,982 is whether or not we see that spike in green 902 00:44:35,017 --> 00:44:36,501 in any of our spectra. 903 00:44:37,605 --> 00:44:39,090 - And so if there were a third star there, 904 00:44:39,124 --> 00:44:41,126 we would see it in this spectrum, 905 00:44:41,161 --> 00:44:42,438 but there's nothing left here 906 00:44:42,472 --> 00:44:44,682 that looks like that, however small, 907 00:44:44,716 --> 00:44:47,339 where a month ago, the third-body model 908 00:44:47,374 --> 00:44:49,514 was really the more likely model 909 00:44:49,548 --> 00:44:52,068 for any reasonable interpretation. 910 00:44:52,103 --> 00:44:53,725 We can now rule it out. 911 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,003 We've tested the model and therefore it's not there, 912 00:44:56,038 --> 00:44:58,143 and the unlikely model is what remains. 913 00:44:58,178 --> 00:45:00,214 - Scientists are supposed to be impartial 914 00:45:00,249 --> 00:45:03,045 and not want it to turn out one way or another way 915 00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:06,048 because then you're biased, but inside, we're like, "Yeah, 916 00:45:06,082 --> 00:45:07,221 we know what we're doing. 917 00:45:07,256 --> 00:45:08,326 It's this way. 918 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,121 I was hoping for this." 919 00:45:12,882 --> 00:45:14,642 [crowd chattering indistinctly] 920 00:45:14,677 --> 00:45:16,783 [bells ringing] 921 00:45:16,817 --> 00:45:19,509 - [Announcer] Thank you for celebrating Picnic Pops 922 00:45:19,544 --> 00:45:22,754 with the Grand Rapids Symphony. 923 00:45:22,789 --> 00:45:25,584 [upbeat music] 924 00:45:29,174 --> 00:45:31,038 - [Larry] So if you get tickets in here, 925 00:45:31,073 --> 00:45:33,489 I'll just wait right here. 926 00:45:33,523 --> 00:45:36,388 [cheerful music] 927 00:45:37,665 --> 00:45:41,186 - Definitely Larry thought about music as a career, 928 00:45:41,221 --> 00:45:44,465 but he, I think, had an interest in astronomy 929 00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:47,158 for a bit longer than his interest in music, 930 00:45:47,192 --> 00:45:49,160 and so astronomy won out. 931 00:45:49,194 --> 00:45:52,232 [cheerful music] 932 00:45:52,266 --> 00:45:55,097 - Music speaks to something deep in the soul. 933 00:45:55,131 --> 00:45:57,927 [cheerful music] 934 00:45:57,962 --> 00:46:01,068 It's one thing I like, especially about the fireworks pops, 935 00:46:01,103 --> 00:46:04,554 is that it starts an hour later than the other ones, 936 00:46:04,589 --> 00:46:06,142 and so that in the second half, 937 00:46:06,177 --> 00:46:08,386 you begin to see the stars come out. 938 00:46:10,595 --> 00:46:13,460 [dramatic music] 939 00:46:16,739 --> 00:46:19,880 [fireworks exploding] 940 00:46:19,915 --> 00:46:22,780 [dramatic music] 941 00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:28,716 [gentle music] 942 00:46:33,998 --> 00:46:36,794 [gentle music] 943 00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:43,697 There's a hundred billion stars in our galaxy. 944 00:46:44,802 --> 00:46:47,011 Millions upon millions of stars out there 945 00:46:47,045 --> 00:46:49,013 that, in the next five years, 946 00:46:49,047 --> 00:46:51,291 are gonna do nothing whatsoever. 947 00:46:53,362 --> 00:46:56,814 We really shouldn't, by coincidence, have found 948 00:46:56,848 --> 00:46:59,402 the next star that is going to blow up. 949 00:47:02,129 --> 00:47:05,892 We still don't know if we're right, but at some point, 950 00:47:05,926 --> 00:47:09,136 you've gotta go out on a limb here, make our prediction 951 00:47:09,171 --> 00:47:13,554 so the larger community can know that we could see a nova 952 00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:17,835 from the get go for the first time ever in history. 953 00:47:19,940 --> 00:47:22,805 [tranquil music] 954 00:47:26,188 --> 00:47:28,293 [Jason and Larry speaking faintly] 955 00:47:28,328 --> 00:47:31,365 - Nothing out of the ordinary that I saw. 956 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,574 So now we have our results. 957 00:47:33,609 --> 00:47:35,714 We're full steam ahead with our prediction, 958 00:47:35,749 --> 00:47:37,440 but before we can let the world know, 959 00:47:37,475 --> 00:47:39,235 Larry needs to write it up 960 00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:41,617 and present it to the astronomical community, 961 00:47:41,651 --> 00:47:43,791 so that's what we're waiting on right now. 962 00:47:43,826 --> 00:47:45,586 - And right now, we're just holding back, 963 00:47:45,621 --> 00:47:48,727 kind of waiting until Larry gets that paper out. 964 00:47:50,384 --> 00:47:52,145 - It's now August 10th. 965 00:47:52,179 --> 00:47:54,216 I wanna be done by September 8th, 966 00:47:55,286 --> 00:47:56,839 and we have to subtract one week 967 00:47:56,874 --> 00:48:01,223 'cause I'm going to visit my mother on Wednesday, 968 00:48:02,569 --> 00:48:04,743 which, you gotta do what you gotta do. 969 00:48:06,366 --> 00:48:08,540 - [Matt] Larry is extremely meticulous. 970 00:48:08,575 --> 00:48:11,889 He takes his time to be extremely careful. 971 00:48:14,581 --> 00:48:16,583 - [Jason] I think he's feeling, in a real way, 972 00:48:16,617 --> 00:48:18,999 the tensions that scientists can feel in terms 973 00:48:19,034 --> 00:48:22,209 of their different commitments and responsibilities. 974 00:48:23,624 --> 00:48:26,282 He has a responsibility as a scientist to get things right, 975 00:48:26,317 --> 00:48:27,697 but he also has a responsibility 976 00:48:27,732 --> 00:48:29,492 to share with a broader community, 977 00:48:29,527 --> 00:48:31,632 so he is feeling that pull. 978 00:48:33,117 --> 00:48:35,257 [cheerful music] 979 00:48:35,291 --> 00:48:36,465 - Yeah, hey guys, out of the way. 980 00:48:36,499 --> 00:48:38,605 All right, this is going in, so. 981 00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:42,885 - Just as we reached the end of our summer research period, 982 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,335 Kara shared with me 983 00:48:44,369 --> 00:48:47,579 that she's not going to come back this fall, 984 00:48:48,718 --> 00:48:50,789 that, apparently, with the changing value 985 00:48:50,824 --> 00:48:53,516 of the Canadian dollar in the past year, 986 00:48:53,551 --> 00:48:57,589 it's not clear to her she can afford to stay here. 987 00:48:59,971 --> 00:49:03,009 That's certainly a blow to our project. 988 00:49:04,493 --> 00:49:06,012 Having had her here for a year, 989 00:49:06,046 --> 00:49:10,154 she's learned a whole lot about binary stars. 990 00:49:10,188 --> 00:49:13,709 The real joy as a professor of working with students 991 00:49:13,743 --> 00:49:17,402 is to see them grow and to share with them 992 00:49:17,437 --> 00:49:20,164 the scientific project at a deeper level. 993 00:49:20,198 --> 00:49:22,925 In this case, I'm gonna have to start from scratch again 994 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,928 with a student that is just learning what's going on. 995 00:49:28,793 --> 00:49:31,071 - [Dan] Not having her on the team is gonna slow him down, 996 00:49:31,106 --> 00:49:33,694 and he already needs as much help as he can get 997 00:49:33,729 --> 00:49:37,560 to make progress at a rapid rate, so we're gonna miss her. 998 00:49:40,494 --> 00:49:42,980 [cheerful music] 999 00:49:43,014 --> 00:49:46,742 - Well, I made huge progress this summer, 1000 00:49:47,915 --> 00:49:50,884 and then I ground to a halt for four months. 1001 00:49:51,989 --> 00:49:54,025 - [Dan] That paper still isn't out. 1002 00:49:55,268 --> 00:49:58,133 - I've had to recalculate a few things as well 1003 00:49:58,167 --> 00:50:02,378 just to make sure it's really fully and properly done. 1004 00:50:02,413 --> 00:50:05,209 The good news this month, January, 2016, 1005 00:50:05,243 --> 00:50:10,283 I have released time from the college to finish my paper. 1006 00:50:10,317 --> 00:50:12,837 [cheerful music] 1007 00:50:12,871 --> 00:50:15,702 It's an incredibly busy semester, 1008 00:50:15,736 --> 00:50:20,603 so intense that I haven't made any progress on my paper. 1009 00:50:21,673 --> 00:50:22,778 - He's on Larry time. 1010 00:50:22,812 --> 00:50:24,400 Larry's always on Larry time. 1011 00:50:24,435 --> 00:50:25,712 You just don't put a timeline on it. 1012 00:50:25,746 --> 00:50:26,989 You just say, "It's just Larry time, 1013 00:50:27,024 --> 00:50:28,577 and he'll be done when he's done." 1014 00:50:28,611 --> 00:50:30,510 [Larry speaking faintly] 1015 00:50:30,544 --> 00:50:32,029 - He's under a lot of pressure. 1016 00:50:32,063 --> 00:50:34,169 He's got a lot of teaching responsibilities, 1017 00:50:34,203 --> 00:50:36,999 he's a perfectionist when it comes to writing, 1018 00:50:37,034 --> 00:50:40,140 so I understand it, but still, the clock is ticking 1019 00:50:40,175 --> 00:50:43,488 and we really would like to get this out there. 1020 00:50:45,076 --> 00:50:47,078 - It's a joke in the physics department 1021 00:50:47,113 --> 00:50:49,632 that it's taking him forever to write this paper. 1022 00:50:49,667 --> 00:50:51,358 It's kind of like he's the captain of a ship 1023 00:50:51,393 --> 00:50:54,568 having us do all these random jobs just to keep us busy 1024 00:50:54,603 --> 00:50:56,467 until he's ready for it. 1025 00:50:56,501 --> 00:50:59,504 [playful music] 1026 00:51:00,333 --> 00:51:02,335 - Well, it's now August 11th. 1027 00:51:02,369 --> 00:51:07,823 I've spent my entire summer trying to finish the draft 1028 00:51:08,341 --> 00:51:09,859 of my paper. 1029 00:51:10,550 --> 00:51:13,035 So scientific advice 1030 00:51:13,070 --> 00:51:16,073 from my Chinese fortune cookie manufacturer, 1031 00:51:16,107 --> 00:51:19,697 "Time is precious, but truth is more precious than time." 1032 00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:23,149 I've been a little slow getting my paper done, 1033 00:51:23,183 --> 00:51:25,116 so this is my comment to my department chair 1034 00:51:25,151 --> 00:51:26,428 to just be patient. 1035 00:51:26,462 --> 00:51:28,464 We'll get this at the right time. 1036 00:51:29,500 --> 00:51:31,674 - [Dan] It's the engineering, too, right? 1037 00:51:31,709 --> 00:51:33,331 - This is what we're looking at here. 1038 00:51:33,366 --> 00:51:34,919 This thing's going in today. 1039 00:51:34,953 --> 00:51:37,508 - It is amazing how many details there are, 1040 00:51:37,542 --> 00:51:41,167 to dot all the Is, cross all the Ts. 1041 00:51:41,201 --> 00:51:43,652 So it says here, "Email the editorial office 1042 00:51:43,686 --> 00:51:45,171 if you have a problem with this." 1043 00:51:45,205 --> 00:51:48,726 So in fact, I just emailed them a moment ago, 1044 00:51:49,727 --> 00:51:54,283 and here is my email back, 11:31, 1045 00:51:54,318 --> 00:51:57,735 from the office manager saying, 1046 00:51:57,769 --> 00:51:59,530 "I have finished the process for you." 1047 00:51:59,564 --> 00:52:01,221 She hit the submit button, 1048 00:52:01,256 --> 00:52:03,982 [all laughing] 1049 00:52:06,744 --> 00:52:08,504 She stole our thunder. 1050 00:52:09,885 --> 00:52:12,439 Here is my acknowledgement. 1051 00:52:12,474 --> 00:52:13,509 It has been received. 1052 00:52:13,544 --> 00:52:15,028 I have a name- 1053 00:52:15,062 --> 00:52:16,202 - By the way, the star has already exploded. 1054 00:52:16,236 --> 00:52:17,479 - [Dan] Yeah, exactly. 1055 00:52:17,513 --> 00:52:20,447 [upbeat music] 1056 00:52:22,449 --> 00:52:24,727 - Welcome to our Friday morning briefing 1057 00:52:24,762 --> 00:52:26,798 here at the 229th meeting 1058 00:52:26,833 --> 00:52:28,800 of the American Astronomical Society. 1059 00:52:28,835 --> 00:52:31,631 So in case this is your first press conference at the AAS, 1060 00:52:31,665 --> 00:52:34,012 I'm gonna introduce the topic and the speakers, 1061 00:52:34,047 --> 00:52:37,119 and then we'll start on the left, go to the right. 1062 00:52:37,154 --> 00:52:40,916 - In my presentation today, I have two of the elements 1063 00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:43,090 that, to me, make science exciting, 1064 00:52:43,125 --> 00:52:46,197 a very specific prediction that can be tested 1065 00:52:46,232 --> 00:52:47,957 and a big explosion. 1066 00:52:47,992 --> 00:52:52,030 - In 2022, we might be able to witness an explosive creation 1067 00:52:52,065 --> 00:52:53,549 of a new star. 1068 00:52:53,584 --> 00:52:55,137 - [Interviewer] Professor Larry Molnar, 1069 00:52:55,172 --> 00:52:57,277 as he tells this his story, professor? 1070 00:52:57,312 --> 00:52:59,383 - [Reporter] That prediction has launched Larry 1071 00:52:59,417 --> 00:53:02,765 into the International spotlight of science news. 1072 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,112 [reporter speaking French] 1073 00:53:05,147 --> 00:53:07,460 [reporter speaking foreign language] 1074 00:53:07,494 --> 00:53:09,910 - [Rick] The "National Geographic," "Washington Post," 1075 00:53:09,945 --> 00:53:12,637 the "Telegraph," "Russia Today." 1076 00:53:12,672 --> 00:53:14,674 - La boom star. 1077 00:53:14,708 --> 00:53:16,814 A German outlet quoting a French outlet, 1078 00:53:16,848 --> 00:53:18,781 quoting this English term. 1079 00:53:20,127 --> 00:53:22,889 [upbeat music] 1080 00:53:28,066 --> 00:53:29,896 - I have to say, I'm not surprised at all. 1081 00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:32,761 I saw this coming years ago at that seminar 1082 00:53:32,795 --> 00:53:34,038 when you first announced it. 1083 00:53:34,072 --> 00:53:36,489 I said, "This is going to be huge. 1084 00:53:36,523 --> 00:53:38,215 This will be world news." 1085 00:53:38,249 --> 00:53:41,079 - So yesterday evening, I walked my dog around the block 1086 00:53:41,114 --> 00:53:44,635 as I do twice a day all the time, 1087 00:53:44,669 --> 00:53:47,741 and three quarters way around the block, 1088 00:53:47,776 --> 00:53:50,606 a man came out down his driveway, 1089 00:53:50,641 --> 00:53:54,817 who I've never spoken to before, and said, "Are you Larry?" 1090 00:53:56,612 --> 00:53:57,889 - Word gets around. 1091 00:53:57,924 --> 00:54:00,098 - Told me, "Really cool coverage," 1092 00:54:00,133 --> 00:54:03,378 so I am literally being stopped on the street there. 1093 00:54:03,412 --> 00:54:06,139 [car whirring] 1094 00:54:08,728 --> 00:54:12,076 [footsteps thudding] 1095 00:54:14,043 --> 00:54:15,252 Good morning. 1096 00:54:15,286 --> 00:54:16,598 - [Representative] Good morning, come on in. 1097 00:54:16,632 --> 00:54:17,737 Are you here for an interview? 1098 00:54:17,771 --> 00:54:19,014 - [Larry] Yes, I'm Larry Molnar. 1099 00:54:19,048 --> 00:54:20,774 - [Representative] Okay, follow me. 1100 00:54:20,809 --> 00:54:21,844 - [Staff Member] And after that, [indistinct]. 1101 00:54:22,983 --> 00:54:24,675 - [Interviewee] I wanna thank 1102 00:54:24,709 --> 00:54:26,366 a lot of the news organizations. 1103 00:54:26,401 --> 00:54:28,920 - Oh, I think I get nervous to begin with, yes. [laughs] 1104 00:54:28,955 --> 00:54:30,405 - [Interviewee] They looked at that nonsense 1105 00:54:30,439 --> 00:54:33,131 that was released 1106 00:54:33,166 --> 00:54:38,585 by maybe the intelligence agencies, who knows? 1107 00:54:39,621 --> 00:54:40,691 But maybe the intelligence agencies, 1108 00:54:40,725 --> 00:54:42,175 which would be a tremendous. 1109 00:54:44,142 --> 00:54:46,835 - Just a little focus on something else here. 1110 00:54:52,047 --> 00:54:52,979 Hello? 1111 00:54:54,221 --> 00:54:55,326 Yes, this is Larry. 1112 00:54:56,465 --> 00:54:57,673 - [Interviewer] Now, you've been quite vague 1113 00:54:57,708 --> 00:54:59,261 about when this happens. 1114 00:54:59,296 --> 00:55:01,815 How much more information do you think you can get 1115 00:55:01,850 --> 00:55:03,300 as we get closer to this? 1116 00:55:03,334 --> 00:55:04,818 - Now, if you look through the records, 1117 00:55:04,853 --> 00:55:06,855 there's been predictions in the media 1118 00:55:06,889 --> 00:55:08,857 of binary stars merging 1119 00:55:08,891 --> 00:55:09,961 in the next a 100,000 years, 1120 00:55:09,996 --> 00:55:11,860 or in the next million years. 1121 00:55:11,894 --> 00:55:13,448 I would call those vague. 1122 00:55:13,482 --> 00:55:16,002 I'm saying in the next five years, give or take one. 1123 00:55:16,036 --> 00:55:19,971 So it's really a little unnerving to be that specific. 1124 00:55:21,594 --> 00:55:22,871 - Larry's been getting some pushback 1125 00:55:22,905 --> 00:55:24,424 from the astronomical community 1126 00:55:24,459 --> 00:55:29,049 about whether his hypothesis is plausible at all. 1127 00:55:29,084 --> 00:55:33,364 One guy who really doubts it is this guy Tylenda 1128 00:55:33,399 --> 00:55:35,055 who's done work in this area. 1129 00:55:36,816 --> 00:55:41,372 [reporter speaking foreign language] 1130 00:55:44,962 --> 00:55:49,725 [reporter speaking foreign language] 1131 00:55:51,969 --> 00:55:55,213 - The main reason for which I am rather skeptical 1132 00:55:55,248 --> 00:55:58,838 of their conclusion that this system is going to merge 1133 00:55:58,872 --> 00:56:01,634 in a few years is that it was found 1134 00:56:01,668 --> 00:56:05,051 in a very small sample of stars. 1135 00:56:05,085 --> 00:56:07,916 There is a Polish proverb, 1136 00:56:07,950 --> 00:56:11,989 searching for a needle in a hay stack. 1137 00:56:14,957 --> 00:56:17,719 - To understand why Tylenda's opinion matters so much, 1138 00:56:17,753 --> 00:56:20,135 you have to go back to Larry's work 1139 00:56:20,169 --> 00:56:21,964 with what he calls his Rosetta Stone, 1140 00:56:21,999 --> 00:56:24,795 the star V1309 Sco. 1141 00:56:26,072 --> 00:56:31,077 - V1309 Sco was a star that exploded back in 2008. 1142 00:56:32,458 --> 00:56:33,976 Nobody saw it happen, but Tylenda was able to go back 1143 00:56:34,011 --> 00:56:35,944 and use some archival data 1144 00:56:35,978 --> 00:56:38,291 to get a glimpse of how it happened. 1145 00:56:40,155 --> 00:56:41,605 - [Matt] Tylenda was able to show 1146 00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:45,056 that V1309 Sco was a binary star 1147 00:56:45,091 --> 00:56:47,438 that went through this death spiral, 1148 00:56:47,473 --> 00:56:50,130 and it's on the basis of Tylenda's pattern 1149 00:56:50,165 --> 00:56:52,478 that Larry's saying, "Oh, this KIC star 1150 00:56:52,512 --> 00:56:55,653 is gonna go through the same motions, the same death spiral, 1151 00:56:55,688 --> 00:56:57,206 and eventually explode." 1152 00:56:58,725 --> 00:57:00,451 - Another person that made a comment 1153 00:57:00,486 --> 00:57:04,213 about our work was Ondrej Pejcha, a Czech astronomer 1154 00:57:04,248 --> 00:57:07,769 who was studying the actual explosion of V1309 Sco, 1155 00:57:07,803 --> 00:57:10,254 trying to model what was going on there. 1156 00:57:11,807 --> 00:57:13,533 He's able to make some headway 1157 00:57:13,568 --> 00:57:16,778 in understanding the explosion that occurred in 2008. 1158 00:57:16,812 --> 00:57:20,782 However, Pejcha decided that it won't work for our star. 1159 00:57:20,816 --> 00:57:23,129 - Yeah, I admit that I'm actually skeptical 1160 00:57:23,163 --> 00:57:24,820 that the two stars will merge. 1161 00:57:24,855 --> 00:57:27,098 I still think that there are other explanations 1162 00:57:27,133 --> 00:57:30,654 for what is observed that are potentially more likely. 1163 00:57:30,688 --> 00:57:33,795 [gentle music] 1164 00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:35,521 - [Reporter] But if they're lucky? 1165 00:57:35,555 --> 00:57:40,077 - If they're lucky, but it would be extraordinarily luck, 1166 00:57:40,905 --> 00:57:43,321 extraordinary, incredible luck. 1167 00:57:44,702 --> 00:57:47,015 - Well, yes, I could be wrong. 1168 00:57:47,049 --> 00:57:48,568 We'll see that very soon. 1169 00:57:48,603 --> 00:57:51,053 And if I'm wrong, I'm gonna be very publicly wrong. 1170 00:57:52,158 --> 00:57:54,160 - So the stakes are getting higher here, 1171 00:57:54,194 --> 00:57:58,440 but he's no stranger to taking risks, that's for sure. 1172 00:57:59,648 --> 00:58:02,340 Larry's a person who will act out of principle 1173 00:58:02,375 --> 00:58:05,309 and takes risks if he thinks they're justified. 1174 00:58:09,278 --> 00:58:10,901 [bus whirring] 1175 00:58:10,935 --> 00:58:12,868 - I still remember the shooting. 1176 00:58:14,180 --> 00:58:17,597 It was November 1st, so the day after Halloween, 1177 00:58:17,632 --> 00:58:19,599 there was nothing that could be done about the shooting. 1178 00:58:19,634 --> 00:58:24,742 The motivation and whatnot was so unrelated 1179 00:58:24,777 --> 00:58:26,882 to anything anyone could guess. 1180 00:58:28,263 --> 00:58:31,162 Where with the flooding in '93, it seemed quite clear 1181 00:58:32,578 --> 00:58:34,441 that there was something that I, in particular, could do 1182 00:58:34,476 --> 00:58:36,892 that others either weren't equipped 1183 00:58:36,927 --> 00:58:38,584 or weren't interested in doing. 1184 00:58:40,620 --> 00:58:42,311 - [Reporter] Now, Iowa has seen its share of flooding 1185 00:58:42,346 --> 00:58:44,279 over the years, but nothing of the magnitude 1186 00:58:44,313 --> 00:58:47,869 of the flood of '93, water everywhere, 1187 00:58:47,903 --> 00:58:50,009 and that water spread higher and farther 1188 00:58:50,043 --> 00:58:51,873 than in any past flooding. 1189 00:58:53,633 --> 00:58:55,324 - The flooding in Iowa 1190 00:58:55,359 --> 00:58:59,536 was a really big piece of our history. 1191 00:59:00,916 --> 00:59:02,331 - It affected my neighborhood. 1192 00:59:02,366 --> 00:59:04,161 The effect to me was actually 1193 00:59:04,195 --> 00:59:07,854 to ask the question that summer how was the dam managed 1194 00:59:07,889 --> 00:59:09,787 and were we doing the best we could? 1195 00:59:09,822 --> 00:59:13,135 - And Larry, in his usual very comprehensive way, 1196 00:59:13,170 --> 00:59:16,691 very careful way, looked at this issue of flooding 1197 00:59:16,725 --> 00:59:17,623 and the dam. 1198 00:59:19,038 --> 00:59:22,351 - It certainly illustrates the way I think about science, 1199 00:59:22,386 --> 00:59:26,010 which is we have models, models make predictions, 1200 00:59:26,045 --> 00:59:28,426 and we test those predictions. 1201 00:59:29,773 --> 00:59:32,879 In 1993, they said that that flood was a 500-year flood. 1202 00:59:32,914 --> 00:59:34,501 It would never happen again. 1203 00:59:34,536 --> 00:59:36,676 It seemed quite clear to us that it would happen 1204 00:59:36,711 --> 00:59:38,402 in the next 10 to 15 years. 1205 00:59:38,436 --> 00:59:40,749 Area here where it meets the river. 1206 00:59:40,784 --> 00:59:42,233 That led us to work very hard 1207 00:59:42,268 --> 00:59:45,236 to try and get them to change those plans, 1208 00:59:45,271 --> 00:59:47,342 knowing that it would happen again 1209 00:59:47,376 --> 00:59:50,517 and hoping that they would do better the next time. 1210 00:59:50,552 --> 00:59:51,484 Concrete. 1211 00:59:52,727 --> 00:59:55,695 - Well, astronomers don't necessarily have that 1212 00:59:55,730 --> 00:59:57,317 on their job description, 1213 00:59:57,352 --> 01:00:00,217 that they're helping people in the local community. 1214 01:00:01,632 --> 01:00:03,841 - Along the way, his faculty chair approached him and said, 1215 01:00:03,876 --> 01:00:07,604 "Larry, I think you maybe need to refocus on your own work 1216 01:00:07,638 --> 01:00:10,261 and not mess around with this stuff here." 1217 01:00:10,296 --> 01:00:13,299 - He spent a lot of his personal time 1218 01:00:13,333 --> 01:00:16,129 on the issue of flooding. 1219 01:00:16,164 --> 01:00:19,029 - The time lost to working on these other issues 1220 01:00:19,063 --> 01:00:21,963 had a serious negative impact in his career 1221 01:00:23,136 --> 01:00:25,863 because, in the end, he did not receive tenure. 1222 01:00:25,898 --> 01:00:28,003 [gentle music] 1223 01:00:28,038 --> 01:00:32,698 - Not getting tenure ends your life at that university. 1224 01:00:32,732 --> 01:00:36,356 You have to leave, you're told you're not good enough. 1225 01:00:38,565 --> 01:00:40,464 The irony in this case is that Larry was right 1226 01:00:40,498 --> 01:00:42,777 about the flood and if they'd listened to him, 1227 01:00:42,811 --> 01:00:46,090 they could have saved themselves a lot of damage. 1228 01:00:47,229 --> 01:00:50,992 - 2008 was even more devastating than 1993. 1229 01:00:51,026 --> 01:00:56,342 People lost their homes in a broader area than in 1993. 1230 01:00:57,481 --> 01:00:59,276 - Larry's neighborhood, when he lived there 1231 01:00:59,310 --> 01:01:02,106 had approximately 135 homes. 1232 01:01:02,935 --> 01:01:05,006 There were only about 65 left. 1233 01:01:06,317 --> 01:01:08,319 - I know, it was very dramatic. 1234 01:01:08,354 --> 01:01:12,323 So this is where our house used to be. 1235 01:01:12,358 --> 01:01:14,015 - It's hard to recognize even. 1236 01:01:14,049 --> 01:01:15,948 I mean, I see the corners, so I know it must be here. 1237 01:01:15,982 --> 01:01:17,743 - Yeah, yeah. 1238 01:01:17,777 --> 01:01:20,228 So 'cause Larsons were there, 1239 01:01:20,262 --> 01:01:22,989 but there's so many trees here, 1240 01:01:23,024 --> 01:01:25,440 as though it had not been here. 1241 01:01:25,474 --> 01:01:27,131 - [Larry] No house, yeah. 1242 01:01:27,166 --> 01:01:31,584 - Yeah, so I think the house was right here. 1243 01:01:33,103 --> 01:01:34,414 - [Larry] Wow. 1244 01:01:34,449 --> 01:01:35,830 - Yeah, the house was right here. 1245 01:01:35,864 --> 01:01:39,040 [melancholy music] 1246 01:01:43,941 --> 01:01:46,703 [gentle music] 1247 01:01:51,535 --> 01:01:54,124 - [Matt] Larry's the kind of person who's gonna do 1248 01:01:54,158 --> 01:01:56,264 what he feels called to do, 1249 01:01:56,298 --> 01:01:59,370 even if it means sacrifice on his part. 1250 01:02:00,509 --> 01:02:02,926 He wasn't setting himself up for success 1251 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,792 according to how academics work and how research works. 1252 01:02:07,793 --> 01:02:09,691 - He will chase the unusual thing, 1253 01:02:09,726 --> 01:02:11,900 and I think that, in part, accounts 1254 01:02:11,935 --> 01:02:14,696 for what is happening right now. 1255 01:02:14,731 --> 01:02:16,940 [gentle music] 1256 01:02:16,974 --> 01:02:18,562 - Serendipity, they often say, 1257 01:02:18,596 --> 01:02:21,116 comes to the prepared mind, right? 1258 01:02:21,151 --> 01:02:24,637 We were open to this and willing to follow it up. 1259 01:02:24,671 --> 01:02:26,535 [Larry and student speaking faintly] 1260 01:02:26,570 --> 01:02:29,573 It's because of our focus on the undergraduate students 1261 01:02:29,607 --> 01:02:32,403 and our willingness to try something unlikely, 1262 01:02:32,438 --> 01:02:35,199 and our perseverance to try it for four years 1263 01:02:35,234 --> 01:02:37,236 that we can come to this point. 1264 01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:39,065 In a sense, it's serendipity, but in a sense, 1265 01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:42,241 this is exactly the kind of place where that can happen. 1266 01:02:42,275 --> 01:02:45,244 [gentle music] 1267 01:02:47,211 --> 01:02:49,696 - There we go, we have more selections of pop. 1268 01:02:49,731 --> 01:02:53,528 Over this past summer, we analyzed some of the data 1269 01:02:53,562 --> 01:02:56,634 since September, and we have added some new dots 1270 01:02:56,669 --> 01:02:58,775 to our plot, which as you can see, 1271 01:02:58,809 --> 01:03:01,881 those little red dots follow almost perfectly our line 1272 01:03:01,916 --> 01:03:05,402 that we had plotted from our paper in September. 1273 01:03:07,128 --> 01:03:08,508 - So there's a real tension here 1274 01:03:08,543 --> 01:03:11,063 because Larry's getting this pushback 1275 01:03:11,097 --> 01:03:14,445 about what his predictions are, but he keeps taking the data 1276 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:18,139 and it's all lining up just like he says it's gonna happen. 1277 01:03:18,173 --> 01:03:21,073 - So question one, are we still on track? 1278 01:03:21,107 --> 01:03:23,730 Yes, right? 1279 01:03:24,835 --> 01:03:27,424 Because it was very publicly put out there. 1280 01:03:27,458 --> 01:03:29,391 - [Dave] I think it takes a good deal of courage 1281 01:03:29,426 --> 01:03:31,566 to step out there in front of other scientists 1282 01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,085 who are going to do everything 1283 01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:35,432 to essentially shoot it full of holes 1284 01:03:36,122 --> 01:03:38,159 and to still go forward. 1285 01:03:40,575 --> 01:03:44,544 - Ideally, you want as risky a prediction as possible 1286 01:03:44,579 --> 01:03:46,615 because that will teach you the most 1287 01:03:46,650 --> 01:03:48,686 about the thing you're trying to study. 1288 01:03:48,721 --> 01:03:52,242 In practice, it's very hard to be a professional scientist 1289 01:03:52,276 --> 01:03:54,485 and make high-risk predictions. 1290 01:03:55,486 --> 01:03:58,110 Most predictions fail, 1291 01:03:58,144 --> 01:04:03,253 so if you make a really risky prediction that then fails, 1292 01:04:03,287 --> 01:04:04,668 you lose everything. 1293 01:04:06,497 --> 01:04:08,672 - [Larry] I feel a lot of pressure right now, 1294 01:04:08,706 --> 01:04:10,777 just the fact that there are these a couple other groups 1295 01:04:10,812 --> 01:04:12,918 that have said, "This doesn't work." 1296 01:04:12,952 --> 01:04:16,473 I want to get word out there that that's not correct. 1297 01:04:18,061 --> 01:04:20,373 - [Matt] One of the issues is that his prediction 1298 01:04:20,408 --> 01:04:22,341 seems to be based on just dumb luck. 1299 01:04:22,375 --> 01:04:23,652 He doesn't have a theory 1300 01:04:23,687 --> 01:04:25,931 for why the star would be doing this. 1301 01:04:25,965 --> 01:04:28,416 If he had a theory, it would've helped to build the case 1302 01:04:28,450 --> 01:04:31,177 and to understand what's gonna happen next. 1303 01:04:31,212 --> 01:04:33,904 [gentle music] 1304 01:04:35,319 --> 01:04:38,529 - I've learned tons about, quote, unquote, "real science," 1305 01:04:38,564 --> 01:04:41,463 what it's like to be on the front line 1306 01:04:41,498 --> 01:04:43,914 in terms of this is an abstract thing 1307 01:04:43,949 --> 01:04:45,433 that we don't understand 1308 01:04:45,467 --> 01:04:47,366 and we're right up against it. 1309 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,610 Like, we're actively exploring avenues 1310 01:04:50,645 --> 01:04:53,475 and finding things that work and don't work. 1311 01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:56,064 - I don't understand. - Yes. 1312 01:04:56,099 --> 01:04:58,618 - It's... - I don't either. 1313 01:04:58,653 --> 01:04:59,965 - I mean... 1314 01:04:59,999 --> 01:05:01,898 - So you may theoretically have a disagreement 1315 01:05:01,932 --> 01:05:03,934 because you as humans just don't know the answer. 1316 01:05:03,969 --> 01:05:07,248 The star does know the answer and the star will tell us. 1317 01:05:08,525 --> 01:05:10,458 - [Student] My brain hurts. 1318 01:05:10,492 --> 01:05:11,908 - Well, because it's been so hard, 1319 01:05:11,942 --> 01:05:14,117 nobody's been able to get a decent structure, 1320 01:05:14,151 --> 01:05:15,601 the interior of the contact binary, 1321 01:05:15,635 --> 01:05:17,983 and they've been trying this since the 1970s. 1322 01:05:20,433 --> 01:05:23,643 - Like it or not, Larry's prediction is based on an analogy, 1323 01:05:23,678 --> 01:05:25,231 and that's pretty unsatisfying 1324 01:05:25,266 --> 01:05:27,475 from a scientific point of view. 1325 01:05:27,509 --> 01:05:29,442 He thinks that his star looks like another star 1326 01:05:29,477 --> 01:05:32,169 that happened to behave in some interesting way. 1327 01:05:32,204 --> 01:05:34,965 But usually you don't wanna just point to a pattern, 1328 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,864 you want an underlying explanation for it. 1329 01:05:37,899 --> 01:05:40,384 [gentle music] 1330 01:05:40,419 --> 01:05:41,730 - One of the interesting things 1331 01:05:41,765 --> 01:05:43,387 about the history of astronomy 1332 01:05:43,422 --> 01:05:45,631 is that you can just talk about observations 1333 01:05:45,665 --> 01:05:47,460 of things you see in the sky, 1334 01:05:47,495 --> 01:05:50,498 and you can come up with good mathematical predictions 1335 01:05:50,532 --> 01:05:52,983 based on totally incorrect knowledge. 1336 01:05:53,018 --> 01:05:55,365 So for instance, you can predict 1337 01:05:55,399 --> 01:05:57,160 where the planets are going to be on the sky, 1338 01:05:57,194 --> 01:05:59,645 assuming that the Earth is the center of the universe, 1339 01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:01,681 and that works perfectly well, 1340 01:06:01,716 --> 01:06:04,029 but to get to sort of a mature science, 1341 01:06:04,063 --> 01:06:06,963 you also want to be able to answer why questions. 1342 01:06:06,997 --> 01:06:09,966 Why do the planets move in these particular patterns? 1343 01:06:11,208 --> 01:06:14,280 - Newton gave us a universal law of gravitation 1344 01:06:14,315 --> 01:06:15,833 and said, "Look, it's not just 1345 01:06:15,868 --> 01:06:17,801 that we can use our intellectual capabilities 1346 01:06:17,835 --> 01:06:19,872 to understand and evaluate the heavens, 1347 01:06:19,906 --> 01:06:23,531 but they're all governed by the same few laws," 1348 01:06:23,565 --> 01:06:26,499 and that was really a change of worldview. 1349 01:06:27,362 --> 01:06:28,777 - [Owen] For the first time, 1350 01:06:28,812 --> 01:06:32,333 you began to look at the heavens physically, 1351 01:06:32,367 --> 01:06:34,542 rather than geometrically. 1352 01:06:35,922 --> 01:06:39,236 - [Matthew] Newton's vision of inert matter pulled on 1353 01:06:39,271 --> 01:06:41,273 by the force of universal gravity 1354 01:06:41,307 --> 01:06:43,965 described by mathematical laws 1355 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,520 explains in a satisfying way all the things 1356 01:06:47,555 --> 01:06:50,316 that were known up to that point. 1357 01:06:53,250 --> 01:06:54,631 So then the question becomes, 1358 01:06:54,665 --> 01:06:57,358 could it be extended to new things? 1359 01:06:57,392 --> 01:06:59,705 Can Newton's cosmology help us understand 1360 01:06:59,739 --> 01:07:01,845 something we have not yet seen? 1361 01:07:03,295 --> 01:07:04,813 And then your predictions have 1362 01:07:04,848 --> 01:07:07,747 some sort of metaphysical meat behind them. 1363 01:07:07,782 --> 01:07:10,371 We're moving from just being able to predict 1364 01:07:10,405 --> 01:07:12,476 where something is going to be on the sky 1365 01:07:12,511 --> 01:07:15,445 based on observation to tying those predictions 1366 01:07:15,479 --> 01:07:17,585 into a larger cosmology. 1367 01:07:17,619 --> 01:07:18,827 It's not just that it's going to be 1368 01:07:18,862 --> 01:07:21,347 where we think it's going to be, 1369 01:07:21,382 --> 01:07:24,281 but we know how the universe works 1370 01:07:24,316 --> 01:07:27,457 such that that prediction is going to come true. 1371 01:07:29,148 --> 01:07:32,462 [suspenseful music] 1372 01:07:36,121 --> 01:07:38,675 - In the past six months, my understanding 1373 01:07:38,709 --> 01:07:42,644 of how contact binaries work has matured greatly, 1374 01:07:43,818 --> 01:07:46,510 and the key to that has been one new discovery. 1375 01:07:46,545 --> 01:07:49,479 So we go through, then we also have to address 1376 01:07:49,513 --> 01:07:51,964 what other people have said, skeptical of us. 1377 01:07:53,414 --> 01:07:56,796 The discovery in a massive data set 1378 01:07:56,831 --> 01:07:59,834 that was studied by the Polish astronomer. 1379 01:08:01,215 --> 01:08:04,839 They have a table of 104 objects that we wanna talk about. 1380 01:08:07,186 --> 01:08:10,672 He'd looked at a million stars to find close binaries, 1381 01:08:10,707 --> 01:08:13,503 and he found 20,000 close binaries, 1382 01:08:13,537 --> 01:08:15,091 and then he looked at those 20,000 1383 01:08:15,125 --> 01:08:18,094 and he found 100, which were changing their orbits. 1384 01:08:18,128 --> 01:08:22,684 I took those and plotted them in a way he didn't plot, 1385 01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,379 and was able to throw away 90% of them 1386 01:08:27,413 --> 01:08:29,795 and find just seven that are left. 1387 01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:31,624 They're doing something new. 1388 01:08:33,385 --> 01:08:34,938 - By analyzing data 1389 01:08:34,972 --> 01:08:37,906 that was supposed to be refuting his predictions, 1390 01:08:37,941 --> 01:08:41,151 he was actually able to identify a lead on more stars 1391 01:08:41,186 --> 01:08:43,878 that could possibly explode in the future. 1392 01:08:43,912 --> 01:08:46,777 [gentle music] 1393 01:08:46,812 --> 01:08:49,228 - [Matt] So we don't know what's gonna happen 1394 01:08:49,263 --> 01:08:50,954 with the KIC star, 1395 01:08:50,988 --> 01:08:55,027 but the addition of these seven stars gives Larry a basis 1396 01:08:55,061 --> 01:08:57,581 for building a theory and understanding 1397 01:08:57,616 --> 01:09:00,998 how to look for this kind of star. 1398 01:09:02,621 --> 01:09:04,001 - All the targets are really exciting 1399 01:09:04,036 --> 01:09:05,900 'cause maybe they're merging star's very much 1400 01:09:05,934 --> 01:09:09,283 like V1309 Sco, maybe even more like V1309 Sco 1401 01:09:09,317 --> 01:09:10,767 than our star is. 1402 01:09:11,561 --> 01:09:13,149 But they're really faint, 1403 01:09:13,183 --> 01:09:15,875 and they're in a really crowded part of the sky, 1404 01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:19,016 and especially, they're entering the southern hemisphere. 1405 01:09:20,225 --> 01:09:21,674 - We can't do much more 1406 01:09:21,709 --> 01:09:24,229 without follow-up data on those systems. 1407 01:09:24,263 --> 01:09:28,025 The problem is they're all fairly dim and fairly southern, 1408 01:09:28,060 --> 01:09:31,339 and so we have collaborators elsewhere 1409 01:09:31,374 --> 01:09:33,099 who are gonna help us with that. 1410 01:09:34,204 --> 01:09:36,033 - My name is Maja Vuckovic. 1411 01:09:36,068 --> 01:09:38,898 I'm a professor at the University of Valparaiso, 1412 01:09:38,933 --> 01:09:42,108 which is not in the United States, it's in Chile. 1413 01:09:42,143 --> 01:09:45,388 When I met Larry a year ago on a workshop, 1414 01:09:45,422 --> 01:09:47,700 he started to explain to me about this group of stars. 1415 01:09:47,735 --> 01:09:49,150 And so then I was like, 1416 01:09:49,185 --> 01:09:50,910 "Well, we should just follow these stars." 1417 01:09:52,188 --> 01:09:54,500 These stars happen to be in the southern hemisphere, 1418 01:09:54,535 --> 01:09:56,502 so not reachable from the north. 1419 01:09:57,745 --> 01:09:59,712 - [Larry] And probably next summer, 1420 01:09:59,747 --> 01:10:01,680 a trip to Chile would be involved 1421 01:10:01,714 --> 01:10:05,201 to take some data 1422 01:10:05,235 --> 01:10:08,549 and really know what's going on with those stars. 1423 01:10:08,583 --> 01:10:12,138 - [Matt] This is a really exciting time for Larry's project. 1424 01:10:12,173 --> 01:10:16,557 The observations are continuing to confirm his prediction. 1425 01:10:16,591 --> 01:10:19,732 He's got a growing number of collaborators. 1426 01:10:21,769 --> 01:10:23,426 The other thing that's interesting is that 1427 01:10:23,460 --> 01:10:26,187 I think we're entering this sort of a golden age 1428 01:10:26,222 --> 01:10:29,225 of observational astronomy for the public. 1429 01:10:29,259 --> 01:10:33,643 We had this solar eclipse, which much of the nation saw, 1430 01:10:33,677 --> 01:10:36,266 and really captured the popular imagination 1431 01:10:36,301 --> 01:10:38,648 for what things are doing in the sky. 1432 01:10:40,132 --> 01:10:42,928 [gentle music] 1433 01:10:47,277 --> 01:10:49,521 Larry's discovery, if this star goes 1434 01:10:49,555 --> 01:10:52,834 into the red nova phase in 2022, 1435 01:10:52,869 --> 01:10:55,699 it'll be right in the middle of that golden age. 1436 01:10:55,734 --> 01:10:58,668 [gentle music] 1437 01:11:02,672 --> 01:11:06,986 [people chattering indistinctly] 1438 01:11:11,370 --> 01:11:13,199 [gentle music] 1439 01:11:13,234 --> 01:11:16,789 - I have not always known I wanted to be an astronomer. 1440 01:11:16,824 --> 01:11:22,070 I didn't grow up in a wealthy family, necessarily, 1441 01:11:23,313 --> 01:11:26,074 so I didn't really have a chance to go to college. 1442 01:11:26,109 --> 01:11:29,457 Right after high school, I actually joined the Marine Corps, 1443 01:11:29,492 --> 01:11:34,324 and it was actually while I was in Afghanistan 1444 01:11:34,359 --> 01:11:37,154 that I saw the lunar eclipse 1445 01:11:38,017 --> 01:11:40,088 when I was out there in 2011. 1446 01:11:40,123 --> 01:11:44,817 And then I saw the lunar eclipse again six months later, 1447 01:11:44,852 --> 01:11:46,474 and something kind of clicked 1448 01:11:46,509 --> 01:11:49,650 in my head of, yeah, this is something worth pursuing. 1449 01:11:49,684 --> 01:11:52,273 This is something I wanna do. 1450 01:11:52,308 --> 01:11:55,034 [gentle music] 1451 01:11:55,863 --> 01:11:59,211 [suspenseful music] 1452 01:12:04,285 --> 01:12:06,287 I first heard about Larry's prediction 1453 01:12:06,322 --> 01:12:09,186 shortly after his paper had come out. 1454 01:12:09,221 --> 01:12:12,328 Dr. Welsh, my advisor, brought it up to me, 1455 01:12:12,362 --> 01:12:14,053 and he asked if, "Hey, 1456 01:12:14,088 --> 01:12:16,021 is this something you'd wanna work on?" 1457 01:12:16,055 --> 01:12:17,540 And I said, "Yeah, you know, 1458 01:12:17,574 --> 01:12:19,127 it's something that would help me." 1459 01:12:19,162 --> 01:12:21,751 Should be a quick project, one summer, done. 1460 01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:26,169 [suspenseful music] 1461 01:12:31,001 --> 01:12:35,109 [suspenseful music continues] 1462 01:12:36,835 --> 01:12:38,630 - Because it was such an interesting project 1463 01:12:38,664 --> 01:12:40,873 that lured us in and said let's see 1464 01:12:40,908 --> 01:12:42,565 if we can make it a little bit better. 1465 01:12:42,599 --> 01:12:45,291 We can get, grab this data that Larry didn't have access to 1466 01:12:45,326 --> 01:12:46,845 and see if it helps. 1467 01:12:48,087 --> 01:12:49,710 - If we could get a better idea 1468 01:12:49,744 --> 01:12:51,436 of when they were gonna merge and outburst, 1469 01:12:51,470 --> 01:12:53,714 then we would know when to point our telescopes up there 1470 01:12:53,748 --> 01:12:55,509 and look for this explosion. 1471 01:12:55,543 --> 01:12:58,753 So we were pretty excited for this to happen. 1472 01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:04,725 - But much to our surprise, when we got the Vulcan data, 1473 01:13:04,759 --> 01:13:07,555 it didn't fit, it didn't work. 1474 01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:11,317 [suspenseful music] 1475 01:13:11,352 --> 01:13:14,251 [hand knocking] 1476 01:13:14,286 --> 01:13:16,909 - [Matt] Hey, I hear you have a game changer. 1477 01:13:17,565 --> 01:13:19,015 - We do. 1478 01:13:19,049 --> 01:13:21,776 - [Matt] So do you think it's real? 1479 01:13:21,811 --> 01:13:24,020 I mean, do you think this one is right? 1480 01:13:25,401 --> 01:13:28,438 - The question here is about our very first data point 1481 01:13:28,473 --> 01:13:31,855 at the left, they don't place it there. 1482 01:13:31,890 --> 01:13:33,857 They place it an hour later. 1483 01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:35,997 How do they get something an hour different 1484 01:13:36,032 --> 01:13:37,205 from what we get? 1485 01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:38,552 - Yeah, that's a huge difference. 1486 01:13:38,586 --> 01:13:40,864 I mean, and it's pretty obvious 1487 01:13:40,899 --> 01:13:43,936 that your model depends pretty heavily 1488 01:13:43,971 --> 01:13:45,524 on the positioning of that point. 1489 01:13:45,559 --> 01:13:48,044 - That's right, and they agree with every other point, 1490 01:13:48,078 --> 01:13:50,322 so it all comes down to that one. 1491 01:13:50,356 --> 01:13:52,842 Question is is their offset the right one 1492 01:13:52,876 --> 01:13:54,878 or is our offset the right one? 1493 01:13:54,913 --> 01:13:57,502 [suspenseful music] 1494 01:13:57,536 --> 01:13:58,951 - As an undergraduate, 1495 01:13:58,986 --> 01:14:00,953 someone who hadn't even officially moved 1496 01:14:00,988 --> 01:14:03,128 into the graduate program yet, 1497 01:14:03,162 --> 01:14:05,855 disagreeing with a professional astronomer 1498 01:14:05,889 --> 01:14:09,341 who had been doing this work for years, 1499 01:14:09,375 --> 01:14:11,516 I doubted myself a lot. 1500 01:14:12,758 --> 01:14:14,450 Are we doing something wrong? 1501 01:14:14,484 --> 01:14:16,072 Did we make a mistake or a typo somewhere along the way, 1502 01:14:16,106 --> 01:14:19,316 and we double and triple checked our data. 1503 01:14:19,351 --> 01:14:22,975 Everything that I have learned about how to collect data, 1504 01:14:23,010 --> 01:14:26,600 the physics of the stars, trust in that 1505 01:14:26,634 --> 01:14:28,636 to not just trust someone else's prediction 1506 01:14:28,671 --> 01:14:32,088 that I'm the wrong one, but to trust the science, 1507 01:14:32,122 --> 01:14:35,919 and we were certain that we had this right. 1508 01:14:35,954 --> 01:14:39,198 [suspenseful music] 1509 01:14:44,928 --> 01:14:49,036 [suspenseful music continues] 1510 01:14:54,041 --> 01:14:58,148 [suspenseful music continues] 1511 01:15:15,649 --> 01:15:19,066 - Turns out the time we used, 1512 01:15:19,100 --> 01:15:21,206 we'd have the star below the horizon, 1513 01:15:22,207 --> 01:15:24,416 so whatever is the cause of it all, 1514 01:15:24,450 --> 01:15:27,177 it's clear that our number cannot be right. 1515 01:15:28,972 --> 01:15:32,217 [melancholy music] 1516 01:15:37,774 --> 01:15:39,086 - [Matt] The problem here is 1517 01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,226 that Larry and Dan were using a mix 1518 01:15:41,260 --> 01:15:43,539 of their own data with other data, 1519 01:15:43,573 --> 01:15:45,299 and when they put that all together, 1520 01:15:45,333 --> 01:15:47,059 they thought that a certain model would work, 1521 01:15:47,094 --> 01:15:50,131 but it turns out that the old data was mistaken. 1522 01:15:50,166 --> 01:15:54,929 The model Larry was using can't fit all of the data. 1523 01:15:56,759 --> 01:16:00,003 [melancholy music] 1524 01:16:01,418 --> 01:16:03,386 So it seems pretty clear that you're gonna want to have 1525 01:16:03,420 --> 01:16:07,148 a go-to statement to refer people to it when people ask. 1526 01:16:07,183 --> 01:16:09,426 - Absolutely, and that'll, yeah, 1527 01:16:09,461 --> 01:16:12,257 and to think that through a little bit. 1528 01:16:12,291 --> 01:16:13,707 - You can be as careful as you want, 1529 01:16:13,741 --> 01:16:17,089 but implicit in every scientific prediction 1530 01:16:17,124 --> 01:16:20,161 is the conditional statement, 1531 01:16:20,196 --> 01:16:22,198 assuming our data are reliable. 1532 01:16:22,232 --> 01:16:23,509 - [Larry] Right, right, right. 1533 01:16:23,544 --> 01:16:26,443 - It's always there as a qualifier. 1534 01:16:27,237 --> 01:16:28,791 That point, for whatever reason, 1535 01:16:28,825 --> 01:16:30,620 whoever's fault it might be, 1536 01:16:30,655 --> 01:16:32,795 that point turned out not to be reliable, 1537 01:16:32,829 --> 01:16:35,418 which undid the whole prediction. 1538 01:16:38,110 --> 01:16:42,287 - Bottom line is, therefore, the time we used 1539 01:16:42,321 --> 01:16:44,323 can't be the correct time. 1540 01:16:45,462 --> 01:16:48,362 The half day off has to be the correct time. 1541 01:16:48,396 --> 01:16:53,609 The premise for what's unique about this star is gone. 1542 01:16:56,473 --> 01:16:59,407 The prediction made by this data point 1543 01:17:00,616 --> 01:17:02,272 just has randomly followed what we predicted 1544 01:17:02,307 --> 01:17:04,999 for the last five years, but for no good reason, 1545 01:17:05,034 --> 01:17:06,932 other than to lead us astray. 1546 01:17:07,623 --> 01:17:10,418 [gentle music] 1547 01:17:12,144 --> 01:17:15,423 - What's really frustrating is that it's something 1548 01:17:15,458 --> 01:17:17,702 that really we couldn't even control. 1549 01:17:19,082 --> 01:17:21,913 It's such an unlikely source of error. 1550 01:17:21,947 --> 01:17:23,431 We had no reason to think 1551 01:17:23,466 --> 01:17:26,227 that that number could have been wrong. 1552 01:17:26,262 --> 01:17:29,472 [melancholy music] 1553 01:17:32,061 --> 01:17:35,064 [snow rustling] 1554 01:17:37,583 --> 01:17:39,102 - We're going to the annual meeting 1555 01:17:39,137 --> 01:17:41,553 of the Michigan Space Grant Consortium 1556 01:17:41,587 --> 01:17:45,246 where we'll be presenting our final word on our KIC star, 1557 01:17:45,281 --> 01:17:48,008 and I guess it'll be the first public venue 1558 01:17:48,042 --> 01:17:50,700 to hear us speak on the end of that, 1559 01:17:50,735 --> 01:17:56,188 but also exciting new prospects for the future. 1560 01:17:57,362 --> 01:18:00,710 - So since the basis of our model has changed, 1561 01:18:00,745 --> 01:18:03,540 our prediction is no longer founded. 1562 01:18:04,265 --> 01:18:05,957 While it's disappointing 1563 01:18:05,991 --> 01:18:08,960 that there won't be a major explosion in the next few years, 1564 01:18:08,994 --> 01:18:12,998 we have a second story that we're very excited about. 1565 01:18:14,241 --> 01:18:15,932 - Yeah, so now we're gonna begin the new story. 1566 01:18:15,967 --> 01:18:18,728 During our research, we studied the OGLE survey of 1567 01:18:18,763 --> 01:18:20,972 about a million stars, and we found seven 1568 01:18:21,006 --> 01:18:24,423 out of a million in this survey with a rare long period 1569 01:18:24,458 --> 01:18:27,116 and a large negative period derivative, 1570 01:18:27,150 --> 01:18:28,117 and so our question was- 1571 01:18:28,151 --> 01:18:29,774 - It was important to me 1572 01:18:29,808 --> 01:18:32,535 that we get a really good, clear message this morning 1573 01:18:32,569 --> 01:18:35,365 as we're sort of wrapping up that stage of, 1574 01:18:36,539 --> 01:18:38,265 it's not the KIC star that's going to blow up, 1575 01:18:38,299 --> 01:18:41,233 but that we had a second story where we really feel 1576 01:18:41,268 --> 01:18:44,236 we are understanding the whole process now. 1577 01:18:44,271 --> 01:18:46,273 - Our surveys, and maybe we might even find 1578 01:18:46,307 --> 01:18:48,309 the next stage three object. 1579 01:18:49,725 --> 01:18:51,381 [audience clapping] 1580 01:18:51,416 --> 01:18:54,108 - You know, we all had hopes for a great demonstration 1581 01:18:54,143 --> 01:18:57,111 of the predictive power of physical science, 1582 01:18:57,146 --> 01:18:58,699 so I was deflated 1583 01:18:58,734 --> 01:19:00,528 in the sense of the excitement of the expectation. 1584 01:19:00,563 --> 01:19:02,220 It was in my calendar, you know, 1585 01:19:02,254 --> 01:19:03,497 watch out for the press release, 1586 01:19:03,531 --> 01:19:05,395 watch out for the observation. 1587 01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:08,502 And yet this is a terrific example of how science works 1588 01:19:08,536 --> 01:19:10,746 and how science is supposed to work. 1589 01:19:10,780 --> 01:19:14,128 - I'm glad to answer that and I think your readers 1590 01:19:14,163 --> 01:19:16,268 will be interested to know what's the update, 1591 01:19:16,303 --> 01:19:18,512 since they're wondering what's happening. 1592 01:19:18,546 --> 01:19:21,101 This is how science is supposed to work. 1593 01:19:21,135 --> 01:19:22,999 That is self-correcting. 1594 01:19:23,034 --> 01:19:24,794 If there's an error, we will find it 1595 01:19:24,829 --> 01:19:27,383 and know when we're wrong. 1596 01:19:27,417 --> 01:19:30,110 [people chattering indistinctly] 1597 01:19:30,144 --> 01:19:31,697 - It's a disappointment, 1598 01:19:31,732 --> 01:19:33,803 but the way that it has been discussed and handled 1599 01:19:33,838 --> 01:19:36,461 and processed has been a huge testament 1600 01:19:36,495 --> 01:19:39,844 to what science should be in terms of it's motivated 1601 01:19:39,878 --> 01:19:43,882 by a genuine desire to understand the universe 1602 01:19:43,917 --> 01:19:45,125 and how it works. 1603 01:19:46,505 --> 01:19:49,060 And that's one thing that inspires me about Molnar, 1604 01:19:49,094 --> 01:19:50,820 it's about finding the truth, 1605 01:19:50,855 --> 01:19:52,304 and he always tells us that, 1606 01:19:52,339 --> 01:19:55,894 and so I think that's really cool. 1607 01:19:55,929 --> 01:19:58,690 [gentle music] 1608 01:20:03,660 --> 01:20:05,731 - [Matt] So Larry's prediction didn't pan out, 1609 01:20:05,766 --> 01:20:09,011 but what he learned along the way might actually be bigger 1610 01:20:09,045 --> 01:20:11,047 because the theory could lead him 1611 01:20:11,082 --> 01:20:12,946 to lots of those kinds of stars, 1612 01:20:12,980 --> 01:20:16,812 and he's just starting to look at these first seven. 1613 01:20:17,743 --> 01:20:20,505 [gentle music] 1614 01:20:20,539 --> 01:20:23,611 - This week, we will be observing the targets 1615 01:20:23,646 --> 01:20:25,821 that my colleague Larry found. 1616 01:20:25,855 --> 01:20:29,652 In the case that Larry is right, we will confirm 1617 01:20:29,686 --> 01:20:32,068 that these stars are definitely getting closer together 1618 01:20:32,103 --> 01:20:36,417 and that maybe eventually they will hug each other. 1619 01:20:37,971 --> 01:20:40,801 - So seven targets that we're looking at 1620 01:20:40,836 --> 01:20:43,045 in the most crowded part of the Milky Way, 1621 01:20:43,079 --> 01:20:46,738 this part here in Sagittarius, which is the direction 1622 01:20:46,772 --> 01:20:49,327 towards the center of our galaxy. 1623 01:20:49,361 --> 01:20:51,018 A place that we can see well, 1624 01:20:51,053 --> 01:20:54,988 if you're in the southern hemisphere, straight overhead. 1625 01:20:55,022 --> 01:20:57,922 [uplifting music] 1626 01:21:04,066 --> 01:21:07,863 [uplifting music continues] 1627 01:21:13,006 --> 01:21:16,078 [paper rustling] 1628 01:21:16,112 --> 01:21:21,324 - [Maja] So here it says DSS 2 has a filter that is red. 1629 01:21:22,774 --> 01:21:24,569 - Though I was not in Chile, I did lose quite a lot of sleep 1630 01:21:24,603 --> 01:21:26,467 over these last nine nights, 1631 01:21:27,572 --> 01:21:29,781 and I've seen enough of the data to know 1632 01:21:29,815 --> 01:21:32,749 they are capable of answering our question. 1633 01:21:34,959 --> 01:21:36,477 - The seven stars, it turns out, 1634 01:21:36,512 --> 01:21:39,515 are tracking just as Larry predicts. 1635 01:21:40,930 --> 01:21:45,072 So he has seven live candidates to go on and keep searching. 1636 01:21:45,107 --> 01:21:47,903 [gentle music] 1637 01:21:52,010 --> 01:21:55,634 - You fall off the bike, you gotta get back on the bike. 1638 01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:58,568 I wanna make clear to people that I am moving on 1639 01:21:58,603 --> 01:22:03,332 and that I'm moving on making progress on emerging stars. 1640 01:22:03,366 --> 01:22:04,781 Long-term project. 1641 01:22:04,816 --> 01:22:06,714 - He was showing me his latest research, 1642 01:22:06,749 --> 01:22:08,854 and I was actually quite impressed 1643 01:22:08,889 --> 01:22:13,376 and interested in what he has done recently. 1644 01:22:13,411 --> 01:22:14,791 - With Sean Matt. 1645 01:22:14,826 --> 01:22:17,242 - The new direction is pretty exciting. 1646 01:22:17,277 --> 01:22:19,969 Larry has determined the ways 1647 01:22:20,004 --> 01:22:22,903 in which we might look for stars which will be merging 1648 01:22:22,938 --> 01:22:24,663 in the near future. 1649 01:22:24,698 --> 01:22:27,943 - He was able to map out how the whole population 1650 01:22:27,977 --> 01:22:29,772 of these binaries evolve 1651 01:22:29,806 --> 01:22:32,292 in relatively simple and uncomplicated ways. 1652 01:22:32,326 --> 01:22:36,779 Now he's got a group of about seven stars, and actually, 1653 01:22:36,813 --> 01:22:38,470 in the future, more objects like this 1654 01:22:38,505 --> 01:22:39,920 can be identified. 1655 01:22:39,955 --> 01:22:43,372 They are so far away, and [indistinct]. 1656 01:22:44,235 --> 01:22:46,478 - I can see a path forward. 1657 01:22:46,513 --> 01:22:49,930 I can see how to scale this up. 1658 01:22:49,965 --> 01:22:53,727 It's probably gonna take 10 years to actually achieve, 1659 01:22:53,761 --> 01:22:56,074 but at that point, we should be back 1660 01:22:56,109 --> 01:22:57,834 where we were two years ago, 1661 01:22:57,869 --> 01:23:00,251 with the candidate that's gonna merge, 1662 01:23:00,285 --> 01:23:04,427 except we'll know that it is, indeed, going to merge. 1663 01:23:05,601 --> 01:23:08,880 [suspenseful music] 1664 01:23:09,536 --> 01:23:11,848 [gentle music] 1665 01:23:11,883 --> 01:23:13,471 So what is the nature of science? 1666 01:23:13,505 --> 01:23:15,991 Anybody tell me how does science work? 1667 01:23:17,095 --> 01:23:18,994 It's a mystery. 1668 01:23:19,028 --> 01:23:21,479 Yeah, it is, in many ways. 1669 01:23:22,618 --> 01:23:24,482 What I like about science is it's a place 1670 01:23:24,516 --> 01:23:26,415 where you can ask cool questions, right? 1671 01:23:26,449 --> 01:23:29,383 There's this amazing universe around us, 1672 01:23:29,418 --> 01:23:32,007 and we get to say how does it work like that? 1673 01:23:32,938 --> 01:23:36,011 [suspenseful music] 1674 01:23:37,184 --> 01:23:40,394 - [Matthew] A failure in science is a failure 1675 01:23:40,429 --> 01:23:42,810 to relinquish an idea 1676 01:23:42,845 --> 01:23:45,434 in the face of facts that contradict it. 1677 01:23:46,849 --> 01:23:50,232 Science succeeds by getting closer and closer to the truth 1678 01:23:50,266 --> 01:23:53,338 of what's actually happening in the real world. 1679 01:23:53,373 --> 01:23:56,652 [melancholy music] 1680 01:23:56,686 --> 01:23:59,689 - [Elise] There's a necessary epistemic humility, 1681 01:23:59,724 --> 01:24:01,519 a humility about what we can know 1682 01:24:01,553 --> 01:24:04,004 and the limitations of human knowledge 1683 01:24:04,039 --> 01:24:05,557 and human investigation. 1684 01:24:07,766 --> 01:24:10,942 - [Matthew] But our desire to wonder how do things work 1685 01:24:10,976 --> 01:24:13,013 and what does this tell us about who we are 1686 01:24:13,048 --> 01:24:15,464 and what our place in the universe is, 1687 01:24:15,498 --> 01:24:17,569 this is what people do. 1688 01:24:19,088 --> 01:24:21,884 [gentle music] 1689 01:24:26,578 --> 01:24:28,615 - Do I think other people are catching on 1690 01:24:28,649 --> 01:24:30,134 that I'm making progress? 1691 01:24:31,928 --> 01:24:32,860 Not yet. 1692 01:24:36,036 --> 01:24:38,694 In a sense, that's part of the excitement as well. 1693 01:24:38,728 --> 01:24:40,868 In the next decade, I should have the prediction 1694 01:24:40,903 --> 01:24:42,905 of the next one that will blow up. 1695 01:24:44,044 --> 01:24:46,460 It may not be as near, may not be as exciting, 1696 01:24:46,495 --> 01:24:49,946 but to actually eventually get back to 1697 01:24:49,981 --> 01:24:52,673 can I predict the next one that will blow up, 1698 01:24:53,502 --> 01:24:55,814 that is my long-term goal still. 1699 01:24:58,817 --> 01:25:04,029 Harder to get there, but more sure. 1700 01:25:04,547 --> 01:25:06,825 [gentle music] 1701 01:25:13,038 --> 01:25:16,628 [gentle music continues] 1702 01:25:22,117 --> 01:25:25,706 [gentle music continues] 1703 01:25:31,056 --> 01:25:34,646 [gentle music continues] 1704 01:25:40,100 --> 01:25:43,690 [gentle music continues] 1705 01:25:49,109 --> 01:25:52,699 [gentle music continues] 1706 01:25:58,083 --> 01:26:01,673 [gentle music continues] 1707 01:26:07,127 --> 01:26:10,717 [gentle music continues] 1708 01:26:15,860 --> 01:26:19,657 [gentle music continues] 1709 01:26:25,110 --> 01:26:28,700 [gentle music continues] 1710 01:26:33,843 --> 01:26:37,640 [gentle music continues] 1711 01:26:42,852 --> 01:26:46,649 [gentle music continues] 1712 01:26:51,896 --> 01:26:55,693 [gentle music continues] 1713 01:27:01,146 --> 01:27:04,736 [gentle music continues] 1714 01:27:09,879 --> 01:27:13,676 [gentle music continues] 1715 01:27:18,923 --> 01:27:22,720 [gentle music continues] 1716 01:27:27,897 --> 01:27:31,694 [gentle music continues] 1717 01:27:36,906 --> 01:27:40,669 [gentle music continues] 1718 01:27:45,915 --> 01:27:49,712 [gentle music continues] 1719 01:27:54,890 --> 01:27:58,687 [gentle music continues] 1720 01:28:03,899 --> 01:28:07,661 [gentle music continues] 1721 01:28:12,942 --> 01:28:16,739 [gentle music continues] 1722 01:28:21,917 --> 01:28:25,714 [gentle music continues] 1723 01:28:29,925 --> 01:28:33,204 [gentle music ends] 1724 01:28:34,136 --> 01:28:36,380 [no audio] 127379

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