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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,333 --> 00:00:03,043 Larry King: If there is a true legend, it's Ted Turner. 2 00:00:03,044 --> 00:00:05,170 Jane Fonda: An American hero, bigger than life. 3 00:00:05,171 --> 00:00:06,965 speaker 1: He's an erratic genius. 4 00:00:06,965 --> 00:00:08,549 Bono: The man is way more rock-and-roll than I am. 5 00:00:08,550 --> 00:00:11,301 Bold and frequently controversial. 6 00:00:11,302 --> 00:00:13,805 Ted Koppel: They called him "the Mouth from the South." 7 00:00:13,805 --> 00:00:15,639 Ted Turner: Bull [bleep]! If people are doing something 8 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:16,890 that hurts all the rest of us, 9 00:00:16,891 --> 00:00:18,726 then they shouldn't be doing it! 10 00:00:18,727 --> 00:00:21,145 Christiane Amanpour: He believed way early in saving the climate. 11 00:00:21,146 --> 00:00:23,313 Turner: I'm willing to risk everything. 12 00:00:23,314 --> 00:00:24,982 speaker 2: In a move that drew criticism, 13 00:00:24,983 --> 00:00:26,818 Turner accepted an invitation to go to Cuba. 14 00:00:26,818 --> 00:00:28,486 Diane Sawyer: Can you trust him? 15 00:00:28,486 --> 00:00:29,987 Turner: He trusted me. He gave me a loaded gun. 16 00:00:29,988 --> 00:00:31,321 I could've shot him very easily. 17 00:00:31,322 --> 00:00:33,157 speaker 3: Ted is a guy who would bet the farm. 18 00:00:33,158 --> 00:00:34,658 Turner: You got enough brains to save up 19 00:00:34,659 --> 00:00:36,161 11 million bucks to buy it, 20 00:00:36,161 --> 00:00:37,745 then you oughta be able to have enough brains 21 00:00:37,746 --> 00:00:39,330 to go down there and run it, right? 22 00:00:39,330 --> 00:00:41,165 Ronald Reagan: It's a great honor for me 23 00:00:41,166 --> 00:00:44,251 to be here with you today to open the Goodwill Games. 24 00:00:44,252 --> 00:00:46,004 speaker 4: He's Captain Courageous. 25 00:00:46,004 --> 00:00:47,254 Turner: I said to the crew, I said, 26 00:00:47,255 --> 00:00:49,006 "20 people are gonna die tonight." 27 00:00:49,007 --> 00:00:50,883 (thunder crashes) 28 00:00:50,884 --> 00:00:54,178 Ted Turner, the well-known American yachtsman, is missing. 29 00:00:54,179 --> 00:00:56,889 Turner: Who thought the world needed 24/7 news? I did. 30 00:00:56,890 --> 00:00:59,517 We had no employees, no set, no equipment. 31 00:00:59,517 --> 00:01:02,436 - The satellite blew up. - (explosion blasts) 32 00:01:02,437 --> 00:01:04,229 speaker 5: Clearly, I've never been there, 33 00:01:04,230 --> 00:01:06,231 but it feels like we're in the center of Hell. 34 00:01:06,232 --> 00:01:07,524 (stock market bell ringing) 35 00:01:07,525 --> 00:01:09,068 Morley Safer: His marriage was breaking up. 36 00:01:09,069 --> 00:01:10,903 speaker 6: The pressure was excruciating. 37 00:01:10,904 --> 00:01:12,446 Terry McGuirk: This is the fight of his life. 38 00:01:12,447 --> 00:01:14,198 speaker 7: You know you changed the world? 39 00:01:14,199 --> 00:01:15,575 Turner: Yeah, I know. 40 00:01:24,334 --> 00:01:27,211 - (TV static) - And I didn't know what I was gonna talk about 41 00:01:27,212 --> 00:01:29,631 - until now. - (audience laughter) 42 00:01:29,839 --> 00:01:32,842 (curious music playing) 43 00:01:34,427 --> 00:01:36,888 "Playboy" Magazine called him a bona fide, 44 00:01:36,888 --> 00:01:38,555 larger-than-life character. 45 00:01:38,556 --> 00:01:40,724 Would you please welcome Mr. Ted Turner. 46 00:01:40,725 --> 00:01:42,434 John Malone: Ted was having polls done 47 00:01:42,435 --> 00:01:45,145 that were indicating that, after the Pope, 48 00:01:45,146 --> 00:01:48,650 he was probably the second most popular person in America. 49 00:01:49,192 --> 00:01:51,443 reporter: Turner, by far the most controversial skipper 50 00:01:51,444 --> 00:01:53,738 ever to take part in the Cup competition, 51 00:01:53,738 --> 00:01:55,406 found it difficult to be serious 52 00:01:55,407 --> 00:01:57,826 as he continued to celebrate his victory. 53 00:01:58,451 --> 00:02:00,578 When you're bleeding $10 million a day, 54 00:02:00,578 --> 00:02:02,914 at some point, you just gotta say, "I'm getting outta this." 55 00:02:02,914 --> 00:02:05,082 But, my kids were all in the stock, 56 00:02:05,083 --> 00:02:08,002 most of my friends were, so I sat there loyally 57 00:02:08,003 --> 00:02:10,005 and went down the drain with everybody else. 58 00:02:10,422 --> 00:02:13,925 I will do whatever is necessary to survive. 59 00:02:13,925 --> 00:02:16,301 I mean, the only way they're gonna get rid of me, 60 00:02:16,302 --> 00:02:18,221 um, is to put a bullet in me. 61 00:02:18,471 --> 00:02:20,973 While I'd never been in business primarily for money, 62 00:02:20,974 --> 00:02:24,518 when I became a billionaire, it did feel good. 63 00:02:24,519 --> 00:02:26,938 I think it'd be tragic to just be remembered 64 00:02:26,938 --> 00:02:28,355 for making a lot of money. 65 00:02:28,356 --> 00:02:30,315 Being around the Cousteaus 66 00:02:30,316 --> 00:02:32,776 made me want to work that much harder, 67 00:02:32,777 --> 00:02:35,779 to use my influence to expose more people 68 00:02:35,780 --> 00:02:38,783 to the important issues facing our planet. 69 00:02:38,783 --> 00:02:41,118 Let's keep our fingers crossed and hope 70 00:02:41,119 --> 00:02:44,372 that Captain Planet and the Planeteers can save the planet. 71 00:02:44,831 --> 00:02:47,624 I decided that what would be really exciting to do, 72 00:02:47,625 --> 00:02:51,171 donate a billion dollars to the UN causes, myself. 73 00:02:51,755 --> 00:02:53,923 The UN Foundation's become... 74 00:02:54,674 --> 00:02:57,634 the UN's strategic partner, uh, since that time, 75 00:02:57,635 --> 00:03:00,930 connecting the UN to activists like myself. 76 00:03:01,514 --> 00:03:03,640 Are we gonna make the right choices 77 00:03:03,641 --> 00:03:07,019 that will allow us to exist for another million years 78 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:10,982 here, on this beautiful paradise of a planet that we're on? 79 00:03:10,982 --> 00:03:13,317 Or are we gonna turn it into a desert 80 00:03:13,318 --> 00:03:15,819 and end up blowing ourselves to kingdom come? 81 00:03:15,820 --> 00:03:17,363 The choice is ours. 82 00:03:17,364 --> 00:03:19,656 He told me, he said, "You've got something that leaders 83 00:03:19,657 --> 00:03:21,492 all over the world need right now." 84 00:03:21,493 --> 00:03:23,535 He said, "I need it. I've gotta have it." 85 00:03:23,536 --> 00:03:26,663 I was named "Time" magazine's Man of the Year. 86 00:03:26,664 --> 00:03:30,417 Malone: Deserved it. CNN did more to pull down 87 00:03:30,418 --> 00:03:34,254 the Iron Curtain, in my opinion, than anything. 88 00:03:34,255 --> 00:03:36,048 Turner: I also made it clear 89 00:03:36,049 --> 00:03:38,258 that if anyone was killed or injured, 90 00:03:38,259 --> 00:03:41,679 I, and I alone, would take full responsibility. 91 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,014 He has single-handedly brought back species, 92 00:03:44,015 --> 00:03:46,558 the most famous of which are the American bison. 93 00:03:46,559 --> 00:03:48,769 Well, I'm raising the bison 'cause I really like 'em, 94 00:03:48,770 --> 00:03:51,063 but when I got up to 42,000, 95 00:03:51,064 --> 00:03:53,107 I had to start doing something with them 96 00:03:53,108 --> 00:03:56,026 - because they keep breeding, so we to... - (Letterman laughing) 97 00:03:56,027 --> 00:03:58,112 - ...we had to eat some of 'em. - (audience laughter) 98 00:03:58,113 --> 00:03:59,446 I did not call him Hitler. 99 00:03:59,447 --> 00:04:02,200 You live by the sword, you die by it. 100 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:03,409 - Mike Wallace: "Turner veer--" - Yeah. 101 00:04:03,410 --> 00:04:05,411 Wallace: "Veers dangerously toward insanity." 102 00:04:05,412 --> 00:04:07,079 "Insanity." Well... 103 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,706 - Wallace: Oh, you read that? - I read it. 104 00:04:08,707 --> 00:04:11,291 I read it. I mean, I expected it from him. 105 00:04:11,292 --> 00:04:13,044 You're right. I get in more trouble. 106 00:04:13,044 --> 00:04:16,423 I, I wish I didn't say some of the crazy things I've said. 107 00:04:20,343 --> 00:04:23,053 - (TV static) - I'm gonna say some things today 108 00:04:23,054 --> 00:04:25,597 that I have never said in public before. 109 00:04:25,598 --> 00:04:26,766 (glitching, static, clicks) 110 00:04:27,934 --> 00:04:29,436 (typing) 111 00:04:44,117 --> 00:04:47,495 Franklin D. Roosevelt: The only thing we have to fear is... 112 00:04:48,455 --> 00:04:50,415 fear itself. 113 00:04:50,415 --> 00:04:53,125 Turner: My father, he came up in the Depression. 114 00:04:53,126 --> 00:04:55,086 He didn't finish college 115 00:04:55,086 --> 00:04:56,587 because his father went bankrupt. 116 00:04:56,588 --> 00:04:59,757 He was a farmer in Mississippi. 117 00:04:59,758 --> 00:05:01,425 And he went bankrupt. 118 00:05:01,426 --> 00:05:03,135 He had to drop out of school. 119 00:05:03,136 --> 00:05:04,762 And he never-- He tried to work his way through, 120 00:05:04,763 --> 00:05:06,847 but he never made it through. 121 00:05:06,848 --> 00:05:09,267 And he was in this grinding poverty. 122 00:05:09,267 --> 00:05:11,643 He told his mother when he was about 16, 123 00:05:11,644 --> 00:05:14,688 "I will be a millionaire. 124 00:05:14,689 --> 00:05:18,401 And someday, I will own a yacht and a plantation." 125 00:05:19,694 --> 00:05:21,445 126 00:05:21,446 --> 00:05:24,823 When my father reached Ohio, the arrival of this gregarious 127 00:05:24,824 --> 00:05:28,494 and charming Southerner did not go unnoticed. 128 00:05:28,495 --> 00:05:31,830 Florence Rooney was a bright, beautiful, and elegant woman 129 00:05:31,831 --> 00:05:33,667 with a terrific personality. 130 00:05:34,376 --> 00:05:37,170 My mom accepted his proposal for marriage. 131 00:05:38,463 --> 00:05:42,300 I came along next November 19th, 1938. 132 00:05:42,676 --> 00:05:46,220 The first Turner born north of the Mason-Dixon line. 133 00:05:46,221 --> 00:05:48,180 Another beautiful baby, Mary Jean, 134 00:05:48,181 --> 00:05:51,350 came along in September of 1941 135 00:05:51,351 --> 00:05:54,228 and was the apple of my parents' eye. 136 00:05:54,229 --> 00:05:56,355 (explosions) 137 00:05:56,356 --> 00:05:57,816 (tense music playing) 138 00:05:57,816 --> 00:05:59,400 That date was significant 139 00:05:59,401 --> 00:06:02,319 because when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor 140 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,655 just a few months later, 141 00:06:04,656 --> 00:06:07,658 my father joined the US Navy. 142 00:06:07,659 --> 00:06:11,161 They decided to take their infant daughter, Mary Jean, 143 00:06:11,162 --> 00:06:14,916 but leave me behind to attend the Cincinnati boarding school. 144 00:06:15,709 --> 00:06:18,043 I was 4 years old. 145 00:06:18,044 --> 00:06:20,337 I don't even remember the name of that school, 146 00:06:20,338 --> 00:06:23,007 but I sure do remember that I didn't like it. 147 00:06:23,008 --> 00:06:26,720 A gray gravel courtyard framed by a chain-link fence. 148 00:06:27,345 --> 00:06:29,889 - The place felt like a prison. - (gate rattling, slamming) 149 00:06:31,725 --> 00:06:33,183 (soft music playing) 150 00:06:33,184 --> 00:06:35,812 My greatest fear was to be put in a dungeon 151 00:06:36,855 --> 00:06:38,815 and sit there for the rest of my life. 152 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:40,859 I missed my parents so much 153 00:06:40,859 --> 00:06:43,277 that I suffered from a case of abandonment. 154 00:06:43,278 --> 00:06:44,862 (kids laughing) 155 00:06:44,863 --> 00:06:46,573 I don't like to be alone. 156 00:06:47,866 --> 00:06:49,908 It was hard for me to understand 157 00:06:49,909 --> 00:06:53,747 why my parents took my sister and left me behind. 158 00:06:56,541 --> 00:06:59,251 My unhappiness at this school must have been obvious 159 00:06:59,252 --> 00:07:02,588 as my parents ultimately decided from afar 160 00:07:02,589 --> 00:07:05,090 that I should spend the following school year 161 00:07:05,091 --> 00:07:08,136 with my Turner grandparents in rural Mississippi. 162 00:07:08,970 --> 00:07:10,429 (teletype clicking) 163 00:07:10,430 --> 00:07:12,056 reporter (on radio): This, ladies and gentlemen, 164 00:07:12,057 --> 00:07:14,392 is the end of the Second World War. 165 00:07:14,392 --> 00:07:17,394 Turner: My father returned from the war the following year, 166 00:07:17,395 --> 00:07:20,607 and our family was finally reunited in Cincinnati. 167 00:07:21,775 --> 00:07:23,901 Dad was a... was a handful. 168 00:07:23,902 --> 00:07:27,279 And he would bring all kinds of wild animals home. 169 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,740 He was doing taxidermy at 9 years old, 170 00:07:29,741 --> 00:07:33,744 stuffing squirrels and bringing snakes and things home, 171 00:07:33,745 --> 00:07:35,954 putting alligators in the bathtub. 172 00:07:35,955 --> 00:07:38,583 It's interesting because his dad 173 00:07:38,583 --> 00:07:41,251 was very tough on him. 174 00:07:41,252 --> 00:07:43,755 - (door slams open) - Turner: My dad was a volatile man 175 00:07:43,755 --> 00:07:45,255 with a quick temper. 176 00:07:45,256 --> 00:07:47,717 When he drank, his temper got worse. 177 00:07:48,551 --> 00:07:51,304 And, his father beat him regularly. 178 00:07:52,597 --> 00:07:54,181 Sometimes with his hand. 179 00:07:54,182 --> 00:07:56,141 Sometimes with coat hangers. 180 00:07:56,142 --> 00:07:57,851 Sometimes with belts. 181 00:07:57,852 --> 00:08:00,270 Turner: My father, I was crazy about him. 182 00:08:00,271 --> 00:08:02,606 He was tough but fair. 183 00:08:02,607 --> 00:08:04,316 He always would say, he said, "The reason 184 00:08:04,317 --> 00:08:07,027 "I'm being so tough on you now while you're little 185 00:08:07,028 --> 00:08:10,030 is because it'll be easier for you when you grow older." 186 00:08:10,031 --> 00:08:11,782 I was born in Cincinnati, Ohio. 187 00:08:11,783 --> 00:08:14,535 My father moved to Georgia when I was 9 years old. 188 00:08:14,536 --> 00:08:17,621 ("Reveille" playing on bugle) 189 00:08:17,622 --> 00:08:20,332 He sent me right away to Georgia Military Academy, 190 00:08:20,333 --> 00:08:23,836 which was a school for-- was like, like a prison school. 191 00:08:23,837 --> 00:08:25,796 And they were so mean! And I was a Yankee, 192 00:08:25,797 --> 00:08:27,715 and they were still fighting the Civil War. 193 00:08:27,716 --> 00:08:30,969 So, they said, "Turner's a Yankee. Kill the Yankee!" 194 00:08:30,969 --> 00:08:32,386 They used to pile on. I remember 195 00:08:32,387 --> 00:08:33,721 hiding in a locker for six hours. 196 00:08:33,722 --> 00:08:35,807 They had a lynch mob with a rope! 197 00:08:35,807 --> 00:08:38,976 They-- you know, they were just playing like they were the Ku Klux Klan! 198 00:08:38,977 --> 00:08:41,854 I was being killed, alright? I mean, it was awful. 199 00:08:41,855 --> 00:08:45,316 Beat up all the time, pounded on, gangs, it was just-- 200 00:08:45,316 --> 00:08:47,192 I wasn't sodomized, thank God. 201 00:08:47,193 --> 00:08:49,319 - (audience laughing) - I mean, we were too young for that. 202 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,030 But, everything else. 203 00:08:51,031 --> 00:08:53,158 So, I became-- I learned the Southern accent. 204 00:08:53,158 --> 00:08:55,075 I mean, it took me a couple of years. I final-- 205 00:08:55,076 --> 00:08:58,495 I finally got integrated in. I mean, I became a Southerner. 206 00:08:58,496 --> 00:09:00,999 (audience laughing) 207 00:09:00,999 --> 00:09:02,750 - (horns honking) - By this time, 208 00:09:02,751 --> 00:09:04,877 my dad had decided to make his career 209 00:09:04,878 --> 00:09:07,379 in the outdoor advertising business. 210 00:09:07,380 --> 00:09:11,550 He had acquired a small billboard company in Savannah. 211 00:09:11,551 --> 00:09:13,385 One of the things that saved Ted 212 00:09:13,386 --> 00:09:16,430 was his father had a manservant named Jimmy Brown, 213 00:09:16,431 --> 00:09:18,682 who also sailed, 214 00:09:18,683 --> 00:09:22,061 and who looked after the father's boat, 215 00:09:22,062 --> 00:09:24,229 and basically raised Ted. 216 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:25,856 He used to come down to the boat and visit, 217 00:09:25,857 --> 00:09:27,566 and we used to go fishing and hunting 218 00:09:27,567 --> 00:09:30,069 and all that kind of stuff. I mean, you know, just hang out, 219 00:09:30,070 --> 00:09:32,780 I mean, he would come out and hang out with me. 220 00:09:32,781 --> 00:09:35,200 ("The Three Bells" by The Browns playing) 221 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,951 ♪ All the chapel bells were ringing ♪ 222 00:09:37,952 --> 00:09:39,620 - ♪ Bom... ♪ - (birds chirping) 223 00:09:39,621 --> 00:09:43,541 - ♪ In the little valley town ♪ - ♪ Bom... ♪ 224 00:09:43,541 --> 00:09:47,420 - ♪ Bom... bom... ♪ - ♪ And the song that they were singing ♪ 225 00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:52,092 - ♪ Bom... bom... ♪ - ♪ Was for baby Jimmy Brown ♪ 226 00:09:52,384 --> 00:09:55,804 Turner: "The Three Bells" was a song I used to sing to Jimmy. 227 00:09:56,805 --> 00:09:58,722 With my dad away at work so much 228 00:09:58,723 --> 00:10:01,226 and my mom spending time with my sister, 229 00:10:01,226 --> 00:10:03,061 Jimmy and I would hang out. 230 00:10:03,061 --> 00:10:04,603 He was like an older brother, 231 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:07,773 but we behaved more like two good friends. 232 00:10:07,774 --> 00:10:11,151 - Eventually, he became like a second father to me. - (song fades out) 233 00:10:11,152 --> 00:10:14,738 - (pickaxes smacking) - By the time I was 12, during my summers, 234 00:10:14,739 --> 00:10:18,158 my father had me working a 42-and-a-half-hour work week 235 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:20,327 at his billboard company. 236 00:10:20,328 --> 00:10:23,915 We'd cut the bushes down with sling blades along the swamps, 237 00:10:23,915 --> 00:10:25,791 - along the highway, - (snake rattling) 238 00:10:25,792 --> 00:10:27,751 you know, fighting the snakes and mosquitoes 239 00:10:27,752 --> 00:10:30,254 and Black Widow spiders down there. 240 00:10:30,255 --> 00:10:32,924 - He paid me 10 cents an hour then, too. - (coins jingle) 241 00:10:32,924 --> 00:10:34,259 And that was illegal, too, 242 00:10:34,259 --> 00:10:36,928 because the minimum wage was 85 cents an hour. 243 00:10:36,928 --> 00:10:38,429 I said, "Dad, how can you do this?" 244 00:10:38,430 --> 00:10:39,973 He says, "You're my son." 245 00:10:40,515 --> 00:10:44,018 (siren wailing) 246 00:10:44,019 --> 00:10:46,270 Mary Jean was just 12 years old 247 00:10:46,271 --> 00:10:49,273 when she developed lupus erythematosus, 248 00:10:49,274 --> 00:10:50,774 an autoimmune disease. 249 00:10:50,775 --> 00:10:53,111 She went into a coma, 250 00:10:53,111 --> 00:10:55,195 and when she came out of the coma, 251 00:10:55,196 --> 00:10:57,364 her, her mind was badly affected. 252 00:10:57,365 --> 00:10:59,951 So, she was not the same person at all. 253 00:11:00,702 --> 00:11:02,494 There were days when I would walk up to her, 254 00:11:02,495 --> 00:11:05,789 and she'd say the most simple childish thing like, 255 00:11:05,790 --> 00:11:07,666 "Teddy, you're my brother." 256 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:10,836 Then walk away and bang her head against the wall. 257 00:11:10,837 --> 00:11:12,546 It was heartbreaking. 258 00:11:12,547 --> 00:11:15,632 The most painful times for us was when she'd scream, 259 00:11:15,633 --> 00:11:18,303 "Please, God, let me die." 260 00:11:18,303 --> 00:11:21,013 Ted was very, uh, traumatized by it, 261 00:11:21,014 --> 00:11:24,142 by her illness. I mean, he thought 262 00:11:24,142 --> 00:11:25,642 maybe he oughta get religion, 263 00:11:25,643 --> 00:11:28,479 and maybe that would help. And I know he told me 264 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,899 he went to several Billy Graham crusades 265 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:35,652 and found Christianity and the Lord and all of that. 266 00:11:35,653 --> 00:11:38,073 There are thousands of people here tonight 267 00:11:39,115 --> 00:11:41,117 that have burdens that need to be lifted. 268 00:11:42,535 --> 00:11:44,704 Problems that need to be solved. 269 00:11:45,246 --> 00:11:47,582 Sin that needs to be forgiven. 270 00:11:47,999 --> 00:11:51,085 Many of you are searching for a new way of life. 271 00:11:51,086 --> 00:11:53,505 Laura Turner Seydel: Dad was gonna be a missionary. 272 00:11:53,505 --> 00:11:56,633 He had read the Bible cover to cover, twice. 273 00:11:57,258 --> 00:12:00,886 Uh, and then, when he realized his sister 274 00:12:00,887 --> 00:12:03,764 was dying in this long, drawn out, 275 00:12:03,765 --> 00:12:06,558 very painful, uh, way, 276 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,520 he just said, "There, there can't be a God. 277 00:12:09,521 --> 00:12:11,105 "Because if there were a God, 278 00:12:11,106 --> 00:12:14,359 "my sister would not be suffering the way she is 279 00:12:14,359 --> 00:12:17,319 for the number of years, uh, that she did." 280 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,406 And he became a nonbeliever. 281 00:12:20,782 --> 00:12:22,241 Turner: Then, my father decided 282 00:12:22,242 --> 00:12:24,243 I had to go to college in the East. 283 00:12:24,244 --> 00:12:26,870 So now, I'm a Southerner, and guess what? It's 1956. 284 00:12:26,871 --> 00:12:28,706 Emmett Till has just been murdered. 285 00:12:28,707 --> 00:12:30,541 It's the beginning of the civil rights movement. 286 00:12:30,542 --> 00:12:34,045 So, everybody up there thinks I must be some racist, you know? 287 00:12:34,045 --> 00:12:36,213 - (crowd yelling) - So, they said, "You goddamn Southerner, Turner!" 288 00:12:36,214 --> 00:12:38,424 So I'm now, I'm back in the North. 289 00:12:38,425 --> 00:12:39,925 I couldn't shake the Southern, 290 00:12:39,926 --> 00:12:41,593 couldn't get in the right fraternities or anything. 291 00:12:41,594 --> 00:12:42,970 Nobody wanted to be my friend. (laughs) 292 00:12:42,971 --> 00:12:46,265 I've known him since we met freshman week 293 00:12:46,266 --> 00:12:48,308 at, uh, Brown University. 294 00:12:48,309 --> 00:12:51,895 It turned out we'd both been to military schools 295 00:12:51,896 --> 00:12:55,400 for many years, and it was a common bond. 296 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,111 And we were different than most of the other freshman class 297 00:12:59,112 --> 00:13:02,489 because most of the other guys went to 298 00:13:02,490 --> 00:13:05,409 some fancy Eastern prep school. 299 00:13:05,410 --> 00:13:06,827 They knew how to dress. 300 00:13:06,828 --> 00:13:08,454 They knew how to deal with women. 301 00:13:08,455 --> 00:13:11,415 You know, they'd actually dated people. 302 00:13:11,416 --> 00:13:13,793 Things like that that we didn't know anything about. 303 00:13:14,544 --> 00:13:16,421 Turner: My father was, uh, 304 00:13:16,421 --> 00:13:18,756 on the fringe of just about everything. 305 00:13:18,757 --> 00:13:20,341 He had a tremendous influence on me. 306 00:13:20,342 --> 00:13:23,302 I mean, he was basically a good person, but he said, 307 00:13:23,303 --> 00:13:25,262 "You've gotta be honest about everything." 308 00:13:25,263 --> 00:13:27,973 He said, "Of course, it's not lying to lie to your wife. 309 00:13:27,974 --> 00:13:30,559 "Real men aren't faithful to their wives. 310 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:32,979 Real men run around." 311 00:13:34,022 --> 00:13:36,523 That first summer at school was difficult, 312 00:13:36,524 --> 00:13:39,486 as my parents' marriage ended in divorce. 313 00:13:41,988 --> 00:13:43,614 (soft rock music playing) 314 00:13:43,615 --> 00:13:46,033 I was beginning to show promise as a competitive sailor. 315 00:13:46,034 --> 00:13:47,701 (seagulls cawing) 316 00:13:47,702 --> 00:13:51,038 In the first eight years that I raced sailboats, I never won. 317 00:13:51,039 --> 00:13:53,123 I was second almost all the time, 318 00:13:53,124 --> 00:13:54,958 but I never won once in eight years. 319 00:13:54,959 --> 00:13:56,960 And then, in my ninth year of racing, 320 00:13:56,961 --> 00:13:59,464 I went to college and started racing there. 321 00:13:59,464 --> 00:14:03,009 My first year in college, I won just about all the time. 322 00:14:04,511 --> 00:14:07,805 As a sophomore, I was now in the second year of a bet 323 00:14:07,806 --> 00:14:09,223 my father had made with me 324 00:14:09,224 --> 00:14:11,309 before sending me off to college. 325 00:14:11,601 --> 00:14:14,853 If I didn't drink or smoke before turning 21, 326 00:14:14,854 --> 00:14:17,523 - he'd give me $5,000. - (cash register dings) 327 00:14:17,524 --> 00:14:20,901 My dad was an alcoholic and smoked two packs a day 328 00:14:20,902 --> 00:14:23,904 and didn't want his son to make the same mistakes. 329 00:14:23,905 --> 00:14:26,865 (upbeat music playing) 330 00:14:26,866 --> 00:14:30,328 I mean, I never even kissed a girl till I was 18! 331 00:14:31,204 --> 00:14:34,582 I never made love until I was 19-and-a-half, almost 20. 332 00:14:35,291 --> 00:14:37,836 And it took me 19-and-a-half years! I mean, 333 00:14:38,586 --> 00:14:41,547 to do it the first time. I did it the second time 334 00:14:41,548 --> 00:14:43,757 - 10 minutes later. That's how-- - (audience laughter) 335 00:14:43,758 --> 00:14:47,428 how easy it is to be a fast learner. 336 00:14:47,429 --> 00:14:49,514 - I mean, you know, that's right. - (laughter) 337 00:14:49,514 --> 00:14:51,850 Ted being Ted, being an honorable guy, 338 00:14:51,850 --> 00:14:55,019 he told his father that he had, uh... 339 00:14:55,020 --> 00:14:56,437 had something to drink. 340 00:14:56,438 --> 00:14:59,023 Turner: I lost the bet with my dad. 341 00:14:59,024 --> 00:15:02,443 One night, I went with a bunch of guys to Wheaton College, 342 00:15:02,444 --> 00:15:05,989 a women's school in nearby Massachusetts. 343 00:15:06,740 --> 00:15:09,241 We'd been drinking, and we wound up throwing chairs 344 00:15:09,242 --> 00:15:12,037 - out of the windows of one of the dormitories there. - (siren wailing) 345 00:15:12,037 --> 00:15:14,079 After that, someone called the police, 346 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:15,372 and we got caught. 347 00:15:15,373 --> 00:15:16,790 And I was suspended from Brown 348 00:15:16,791 --> 00:15:19,251 for the rest of that school year. I figured, well, 349 00:15:19,252 --> 00:15:22,755 I got a year at least before I can get back into school, 350 00:15:22,756 --> 00:15:24,590 so I'll join the Coast Guard Reserve. 351 00:15:24,591 --> 00:15:26,425 And I was 19 at the time, 352 00:15:26,426 --> 00:15:29,470 and, uh, start fulfilling my military obligation. 353 00:15:29,471 --> 00:15:31,764 In those days, we still had a draft. 354 00:15:31,765 --> 00:15:34,601 And then, he came back the next... 355 00:15:35,518 --> 00:15:38,062 semester or the next year, 356 00:15:38,063 --> 00:15:40,814 and we resumed where we had left off. 357 00:15:40,815 --> 00:15:43,734 We were kinda catching up on things, you know? 358 00:15:43,735 --> 00:15:46,278 Women, wine, song. 359 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:49,740 And, uh, we enjoyed our time there. 360 00:15:49,741 --> 00:15:53,327 (upbeat Greek music playing) 361 00:15:53,328 --> 00:15:55,579 Turner: Things reached a head about six months later 362 00:15:55,580 --> 00:15:58,248 when I declared Classics as my major. 363 00:15:58,249 --> 00:16:01,669 We went deep into ancient Greek history. 364 00:16:01,670 --> 00:16:04,588 Brown didn't offer business courses. 365 00:16:04,589 --> 00:16:06,758 Regardless, my dad was furious 366 00:16:06,758 --> 00:16:08,384 and described his feelings to me 367 00:16:08,385 --> 00:16:10,511 in a long, rambling letter. 368 00:16:10,512 --> 00:16:12,596 narrator (as Ted's father): "I'm appalled, even horrified, 369 00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:15,432 "that you have adopted Classics as a major. 370 00:16:15,433 --> 00:16:18,478 "As a matter of fact, I almost puked on the way home today. 371 00:16:19,688 --> 00:16:21,313 "In my opinion, it won't do much 372 00:16:21,314 --> 00:16:24,442 "to help you learn to get along with people in this world. 373 00:16:24,442 --> 00:16:27,319 "I think you are rapidly becoming a jackass, 374 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,947 "and the sooner you get out of that filthy atmosphere, 375 00:16:29,948 --> 00:16:32,116 "the better it will suit me. 376 00:16:32,117 --> 00:16:34,451 "You are in the hands of the Philistines, 377 00:16:34,452 --> 00:16:36,620 "and dammit, I sent you there. 378 00:16:36,621 --> 00:16:38,455 "I am sorry. 379 00:16:38,456 --> 00:16:40,959 Devotedly, Dad." 380 00:16:40,959 --> 00:16:42,501 Turner: It was clear that my father 381 00:16:42,502 --> 00:16:44,628 would not be supporting me financially. 382 00:16:44,629 --> 00:16:46,798 (upbeat music playing) 383 00:16:46,798 --> 00:16:48,298 I made some spending money 384 00:16:48,299 --> 00:16:49,883 working in the school cafeteria, 385 00:16:49,884 --> 00:16:52,302 but I could never earn enough during school 386 00:16:52,303 --> 00:16:54,471 to make my room and board payments. 387 00:16:54,472 --> 00:16:56,974 I burned the candle at both ends. 388 00:16:56,975 --> 00:17:00,561 I was drinking, chasing women, staying up late, 389 00:17:00,562 --> 00:17:02,813 and hardly going to class at all. 390 00:17:02,814 --> 00:17:05,065 At some point, Ted was caught 391 00:17:05,066 --> 00:17:08,569 with a woman... in his room. 392 00:17:08,570 --> 00:17:11,905 It-- You would get off easier if you killed somebody 393 00:17:11,906 --> 00:17:13,490 than having a woman in your room. 394 00:17:13,491 --> 00:17:15,535 So, he was thrown out again. 395 00:17:16,036 --> 00:17:17,537 (jazz sting) 396 00:17:18,830 --> 00:17:22,499 Turner: My father and I had a complex relationship, but I loved him. 397 00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:24,335 I had a great opportunity in front of me, 398 00:17:24,336 --> 00:17:27,004 and I really did enjoy the billboard business. 399 00:17:27,005 --> 00:17:28,714 I got a call from Ted, 400 00:17:28,715 --> 00:17:31,717 so I went to work for Ed Turner 401 00:17:31,718 --> 00:17:34,678 at Turner Advertising in Charleston, South Carolina. 402 00:17:34,679 --> 00:17:37,015 Turner: At this point, I had not had 403 00:17:37,015 --> 00:17:39,267 any long-term relationships with women. 404 00:17:39,726 --> 00:17:40,934 My thoughts turned to a woman 405 00:17:40,935 --> 00:17:43,437 I had met at a college sailing regatta. 406 00:17:43,438 --> 00:17:45,189 Her name was Judy Nye, 407 00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:47,191 and she was the champion sailor 408 00:17:47,192 --> 00:17:49,736 on Northwestern University's team. 409 00:17:50,487 --> 00:17:54,114 - (phone ringing) - After dating long distance for a while, 410 00:17:54,115 --> 00:17:57,534 I called her up and proposed to her over the phone. 411 00:17:57,535 --> 00:17:59,036 She said yes, 412 00:17:59,037 --> 00:18:02,290 and we began planning for a Chicago wedding in June. 413 00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:07,378 (somber piano music playing) 414 00:18:07,379 --> 00:18:10,715 That December, between our engagement and the wedding, 415 00:18:10,715 --> 00:18:12,759 my sister Mary Jean passed away. 416 00:18:13,677 --> 00:18:15,761 And, of course, the death of their only daughter 417 00:18:15,762 --> 00:18:18,807 was absolutely crushing for Mom and Dad. 418 00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:22,560 Even now, it's painful to think about, 419 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,271 and I've blocked all the memories surrounding her death. 420 00:18:27,357 --> 00:18:29,733 ("Bridal Chorus" by Richard Wagner playing) 421 00:18:29,734 --> 00:18:32,111 After that dark winter, our summer wedding 422 00:18:32,112 --> 00:18:33,863 was a welcome respite. 423 00:18:34,656 --> 00:18:38,201 Dad was my best man and very proud of his son that day. 424 00:18:40,286 --> 00:18:41,620 (music fades out) 425 00:18:41,621 --> 00:18:43,415 Turner Advertising was already 426 00:18:43,415 --> 00:18:45,749 one of the larger billboard companies in the South 427 00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:48,252 by the summer of 1962, 428 00:18:48,253 --> 00:18:50,462 when my father put together a deal 429 00:18:50,463 --> 00:18:52,589 that would make it the biggest. 430 00:18:52,590 --> 00:18:55,092 To afford the deal, my father had to finance 431 00:18:55,093 --> 00:18:57,095 nearly all of the purchase price. 432 00:18:57,095 --> 00:19:00,265 As my professional life was humming along, 433 00:19:00,265 --> 00:19:02,099 I was racing on weekends. 434 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:05,102 And when Judy went into labor on Saturday, 435 00:19:05,103 --> 00:19:08,147 I was sailing and missed the actual birth. 436 00:19:08,148 --> 00:19:12,110 The fall of 1962 was an exciting time. 437 00:19:12,110 --> 00:19:14,278 Dad was elated, the most energized 438 00:19:14,279 --> 00:19:15,947 I'd ever seen him. 439 00:19:15,947 --> 00:19:18,824 (dial tone, phone ringing) 440 00:19:18,825 --> 00:19:20,784 My phone rang, and it was my father 441 00:19:20,785 --> 00:19:22,703 calling from South Carolina. 442 00:19:22,704 --> 00:19:24,538 He said he was calling me to tell me 443 00:19:24,539 --> 00:19:27,708 he was selling a large chunk of the company, 444 00:19:27,709 --> 00:19:31,628 all of the recent acquisitions and major market operations 445 00:19:31,629 --> 00:19:34,466 to a competitor, Bob Naegele. 446 00:19:35,050 --> 00:19:38,719 I couldn't believe it. I was literally stunned. 447 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,180 And then, I tried to talk him out of it. 448 00:19:41,181 --> 00:19:44,850 My shock gave way to anger and I said, "Dad, 449 00:19:44,851 --> 00:19:47,061 "all my life, you taught me to work hard 450 00:19:47,062 --> 00:19:48,562 "and not be a quitter. 451 00:19:48,563 --> 00:19:50,689 "And now, you're the one who's quitting. 452 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:53,318 What's happened to you? How could you do this?" 453 00:19:54,194 --> 00:19:57,614 Dad remained surprisingly calm and unmoved. 454 00:19:58,365 --> 00:20:00,908 I hung up the phone, dazed and disappointed. 455 00:20:00,909 --> 00:20:02,577 (slams phone, bell echoing) 456 00:20:03,703 --> 00:20:05,204 (line ringing) 457 00:20:05,205 --> 00:20:07,039 Just a few days later, 458 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,875 I got another call from South Carolina. 459 00:20:09,876 --> 00:20:12,420 And this time, it was my stepmother Jane. 460 00:20:13,963 --> 00:20:17,467 After Jimmy Brown served him and Jane a relaxed breakfast, 461 00:20:18,343 --> 00:20:21,095 Dad had walked up to his bathroom, 462 00:20:21,096 --> 00:20:22,554 climbed in the tub... 463 00:20:22,555 --> 00:20:24,390 (gunshot) 464 00:20:24,391 --> 00:20:26,684 ...and shot himself. 465 00:20:26,685 --> 00:20:29,646 (siren wailing) 466 00:20:31,272 --> 00:20:33,691 Jimmy Brown was the first to reach my father, 467 00:20:33,692 --> 00:20:36,902 rushing up the stairs after hearing the gunshot. 468 00:20:36,903 --> 00:20:38,445 Dad was still clinging to life, 469 00:20:38,446 --> 00:20:40,280 but passed away before an ambulance 470 00:20:40,281 --> 00:20:41,908 could get him to a hospital. 471 00:20:42,409 --> 00:20:45,119 And after rushing to find him in that bathroom, 472 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:47,538 he'd also been given the grim task of cleaning 473 00:20:47,539 --> 00:20:50,959 that awful mess up after my father was gone. 474 00:20:51,292 --> 00:20:54,294 (somber music playing) 475 00:20:54,295 --> 00:20:56,547 He suffered from manic mood swings 476 00:20:56,548 --> 00:20:59,258 where he'd be real up one day, 477 00:20:59,259 --> 00:21:02,971 and then crash emotionally and be real down the next. 478 00:21:03,763 --> 00:21:06,850 It was a very difficult time for him and for me. 479 00:21:07,392 --> 00:21:09,977 And, you know, my dad has never gotten over that. 480 00:21:09,978 --> 00:21:13,480 "How could my dad have done that 481 00:21:13,481 --> 00:21:15,983 "to me? And hurt me? 482 00:21:15,984 --> 00:21:18,318 Couldn't he have stayed around for me?" 483 00:21:18,319 --> 00:21:20,864 I would imagine that Dad felt some... 484 00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:24,158 guilt for that. You know? You would have to. 485 00:21:24,159 --> 00:21:25,744 Like, "Why didn't I know? 486 00:21:25,744 --> 00:21:27,245 Why didn't he talk to me about it?" 487 00:21:27,245 --> 00:21:29,121 The same thing if you had a child that committed suicide, 488 00:21:29,122 --> 00:21:30,290 that you would blame yourself. 489 00:21:30,874 --> 00:21:32,791 Turner: My memories of the hours and days 490 00:21:32,792 --> 00:21:35,836 after learning of his death are hazy. 491 00:21:35,837 --> 00:21:37,838 I was in shock. 492 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:40,383 I felt I had lost my best friend. 493 00:21:42,677 --> 00:21:45,679 (light piano music playing) 494 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,725 - (birds chirping) - (stream flowing) 495 00:21:50,226 --> 00:21:52,478 Jimmy loved and respected Dad. 496 00:21:52,479 --> 00:21:53,771 And on top of his grief, 497 00:21:53,772 --> 00:21:56,648 he was now faced with an uncertain future. 498 00:21:56,649 --> 00:22:00,152 After my father, Jimmy was my closest friend in the world. 499 00:22:00,153 --> 00:22:02,029 And without hesitation, 500 00:22:02,030 --> 00:22:05,616 I assured him he'd always have a place in the Turner family. 501 00:22:05,617 --> 00:22:08,453 I think Jimmy was a lot of continuity. 502 00:22:08,453 --> 00:22:11,121 And I think there was a grounding thing for Ted. 503 00:22:11,122 --> 00:22:14,875 And I think there's very few grounding things for Ted 504 00:22:14,876 --> 00:22:17,461 and, and things that really 505 00:22:17,462 --> 00:22:19,171 brought him back to the earth. 506 00:22:19,172 --> 00:22:23,426 And I think Jimmy Brown was probably that one thing. 507 00:22:24,844 --> 00:22:28,889 While I was in the army, uh, 508 00:22:28,890 --> 00:22:32,685 getting close to the end of my term, 509 00:22:32,686 --> 00:22:36,647 which was two years, I got a phone call from Ted. 510 00:22:36,648 --> 00:22:40,402 He said, "Well, my father's killed himself, 511 00:22:41,111 --> 00:22:43,821 "and I am fighting 512 00:22:43,822 --> 00:22:47,157 "to keep ownership of the company, 513 00:22:47,158 --> 00:22:49,201 fighting against Bob Naegele." 514 00:22:49,202 --> 00:22:53,080 So, he just couldn't see himself 515 00:22:53,081 --> 00:22:55,541 walking away from this company 516 00:22:55,542 --> 00:22:58,585 that his father had, uh, had built. 517 00:22:58,586 --> 00:23:00,171 Turner: Truth be told, 518 00:23:00,171 --> 00:23:01,922 I doubt that most people thought 519 00:23:01,923 --> 00:23:04,843 I was up to running the business anyway. 520 00:23:04,843 --> 00:23:07,052 After all, it wasn't long before that 521 00:23:07,053 --> 00:23:09,680 that my father had declined on giving me 522 00:23:09,681 --> 00:23:12,558 even the top job in the Atlanta operation. 523 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:14,852 He said, "Teddy, you're just not gonna make it." 524 00:23:14,853 --> 00:23:18,689 But, it was, "I really want to show him, 525 00:23:18,690 --> 00:23:20,524 prove to him that I could do it." 526 00:23:20,525 --> 00:23:23,027 For whatever reason, when his dad was around, 527 00:23:23,028 --> 00:23:24,612 he was always a failure. 528 00:23:25,321 --> 00:23:28,825 Turner: Turner Advertising represented my father's life's work. 529 00:23:29,451 --> 00:23:30,909 He loved the company, 530 00:23:30,910 --> 00:23:33,454 and what he'd really want me to do 531 00:23:33,455 --> 00:23:35,080 was to save it. 532 00:23:35,081 --> 00:23:37,124 Naegele made it very clear to me 533 00:23:37,125 --> 00:23:40,127 that while he admired my father and mourned his death, 534 00:23:40,128 --> 00:23:43,714 he had no intention of going back on the deal. 535 00:23:43,715 --> 00:23:46,967 Naegele's acquisition documents neglected to place 536 00:23:46,968 --> 00:23:49,803 non-compete clauses on any of our employees, 537 00:23:49,804 --> 00:23:53,057 so there were no legal issues holding us back. 538 00:23:53,058 --> 00:23:56,143 (multiple phones ringing) 539 00:23:56,144 --> 00:23:58,812 My team and I worked the phones feverishly, 540 00:23:58,813 --> 00:24:01,899 and within a matter of days, we caused significant damage 541 00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:04,651 to the assets Naegele hoped to acquire. 542 00:24:04,652 --> 00:24:06,987 (phones hanging up, ringing stops) 543 00:24:06,988 --> 00:24:10,908 If I agreed to return all the leases and simply go away, 544 00:24:10,909 --> 00:24:14,495 he would pay me $200,000 cash. 545 00:24:14,496 --> 00:24:17,081 My other option, if I wanted to retain 546 00:24:17,082 --> 00:24:18,916 the general outdoor assets, 547 00:24:18,917 --> 00:24:21,336 was to pay $200,000 to Naegele. 548 00:24:22,962 --> 00:24:25,964 I agreed on the spot that I would take the second option. 549 00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:28,051 (typewriter clacking) 550 00:24:29,761 --> 00:24:33,765 Guys like Naegele would've been in a 90% tax bracket, 551 00:24:33,765 --> 00:24:37,644 so taking this cash now would not be much of a deal. 552 00:24:38,395 --> 00:24:41,146 Armed with that knowledge, and short on cash, 553 00:24:41,147 --> 00:24:43,941 we went back and offered to pay them $200,000 554 00:24:43,942 --> 00:24:46,027 in Turner Advertising stock. 555 00:24:47,904 --> 00:24:49,321 They accepted my offer. 556 00:24:49,322 --> 00:24:52,032 (upbeat dramatic music playing) 557 00:24:52,033 --> 00:24:54,368 I had kept the company out of Naegele's hands, 558 00:24:54,369 --> 00:24:57,288 and it didn't cost me a single dollar of cash. 559 00:24:57,831 --> 00:25:00,542 It was beyond my control to save Dad, 560 00:25:01,292 --> 00:25:04,545 but I'd done everything I could to save his company. 561 00:25:04,546 --> 00:25:07,131 I knew he would've been pleased. 562 00:25:07,132 --> 00:25:09,883 He said, "I'd like you to consider coming to work." 563 00:25:09,884 --> 00:25:12,302 He said, "You know, I'd like to have some people around me 564 00:25:12,303 --> 00:25:14,346 that I trust and have confidence in." 565 00:25:14,347 --> 00:25:15,974 So, that's what I did. 566 00:25:16,391 --> 00:25:19,351 Turner: Judy was in Macon taking care of Laura Lee 567 00:25:19,352 --> 00:25:22,397 and preparing to deliver our second child. 568 00:25:23,106 --> 00:25:26,735 I was proud to name my first son Robert Edward Turner IV. 569 00:25:28,278 --> 00:25:31,071 Adding a second child to our family, though, 570 00:25:31,072 --> 00:25:34,533 would not change the dynamics between Judy and me. 571 00:25:34,534 --> 00:25:37,536 Our marriage was simply not going to work. 572 00:25:37,537 --> 00:25:38,996 I had a real difficulty 573 00:25:38,997 --> 00:25:41,749 putting my bachelor lifestyle behind me. 574 00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:44,001 Fonda: The father had many mistresses. 575 00:25:44,002 --> 00:25:46,587 The father told Ted that 576 00:25:46,588 --> 00:25:48,005 women were a dime a dozen. 577 00:25:48,006 --> 00:25:49,673 It's like a bus. If you miss one, 578 00:25:49,674 --> 00:25:51,842 then another one will come along. 579 00:25:51,843 --> 00:25:54,012 And that you weren't really a man 580 00:25:54,012 --> 00:25:56,555 unless you had many mistresses. 581 00:25:56,556 --> 00:25:59,266 - (plane roaring) - (beeping) 582 00:25:59,267 --> 00:26:01,393 Turner: Judy decided to move back to Chicago 583 00:26:01,394 --> 00:26:03,562 to be closer to her family. 584 00:26:03,563 --> 00:26:05,689 And while divorce is never easy, 585 00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:07,359 it was particularly hard for me 586 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,527 to be separated from my two young children. 587 00:26:10,528 --> 00:26:12,197 With Judy and the kids gone, 588 00:26:12,197 --> 00:26:14,449 I found myself needing companionship. 589 00:26:15,241 --> 00:26:16,742 Her name was Jane Smith, 590 00:26:16,743 --> 00:26:18,702 and the attraction was immediate. 591 00:26:18,703 --> 00:26:20,913 And after dating for almost a year, 592 00:26:20,914 --> 00:26:23,457 we flew to Las Vegas for a quick wedding, 593 00:26:23,458 --> 00:26:26,127 then settled together in a modest Atlanta apartment. 594 00:26:26,836 --> 00:26:29,588 Before long, we welcomed our first child together. 595 00:26:29,589 --> 00:26:32,800 A boy we named Rhett, after my favorite fictional character, 596 00:26:32,801 --> 00:26:34,010 Rhett Butler. 597 00:26:34,803 --> 00:26:38,138 By this time, Judy had remarried. 598 00:26:38,139 --> 00:26:41,308 When Laura and Teddy, now 7 and 5 years old, 599 00:26:41,309 --> 00:26:45,104 came to Atlanta for a customary Christmas holiday visit, 600 00:26:45,105 --> 00:26:46,980 something was clearly wrong. 601 00:26:46,981 --> 00:26:48,649 You know, it's funny because you don't know 602 00:26:48,650 --> 00:26:51,402 what memories you really have and what you don't have. 603 00:26:51,403 --> 00:26:54,447 I have fleeting memories. 604 00:26:56,032 --> 00:26:58,575 You know, whether they were Laura's memories or my memorie-- 605 00:26:58,576 --> 00:27:01,286 But yeah, no, you didn't wanna be with... 606 00:27:01,287 --> 00:27:02,955 Big Pete, is what we call him. 607 00:27:02,956 --> 00:27:05,249 He had a bit of a steroid problem. 608 00:27:05,250 --> 00:27:08,127 He had a bit of a chemical problem, drinking problem. 609 00:27:08,128 --> 00:27:10,088 You know, he had some anger issues, 610 00:27:10,088 --> 00:27:12,172 and, uh, and he took it out a good bit. 611 00:27:12,173 --> 00:27:14,174 I'm sure on my mom as well, 612 00:27:14,175 --> 00:27:16,176 um, but took it out on Laura and I. 613 00:27:16,177 --> 00:27:17,803 But, we moved in with my dad and Janie 614 00:27:17,804 --> 00:27:21,807 because it was a, a horribly abusive situation, 615 00:27:21,808 --> 00:27:24,935 and, uh, and Dad didn't wanna send us back. 616 00:27:24,936 --> 00:27:27,021 And we had Rhett, so we had, you know, 617 00:27:27,022 --> 00:27:28,480 a brother and Christmas trees. 618 00:27:28,481 --> 00:27:32,277 And, you know, it was not an apartment 619 00:27:32,277 --> 00:27:36,031 and definitely was a better situation, for sure. 620 00:27:37,073 --> 00:27:39,867 (gentle music playing) 621 00:27:39,868 --> 00:27:42,036 Turner: In January of 1968, 622 00:27:42,037 --> 00:27:45,039 Janie gave birth to a second boy, 623 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,625 Reed Beauregard Turner, whom we call Beau. 624 00:27:48,626 --> 00:27:50,128 The following February, 625 00:27:50,128 --> 00:27:52,796 when our daughter Sarah Jean was born, 626 00:27:52,797 --> 00:27:55,507 we suddenly had five children under the age of 8 627 00:27:55,508 --> 00:27:57,718 living under our roof. 628 00:27:57,719 --> 00:27:59,512 We had the big basement, and... 629 00:28:00,597 --> 00:28:02,056 and y'all was kinda growing up there. 630 00:28:02,057 --> 00:28:03,183 And Beau was-- 631 00:28:03,892 --> 00:28:06,560 Beau hadn't even just started walking, 632 00:28:06,561 --> 00:28:08,896 and, uh, Jennie was a baby then. 633 00:28:08,897 --> 00:28:10,397 I mean, people don't understand, 634 00:28:10,398 --> 00:28:13,233 Jimmy lived with us 24/7. 635 00:28:13,234 --> 00:28:14,526 Literally 24/7. 636 00:28:14,527 --> 00:28:17,863 I couldn't understand why Jimmy, like... 637 00:28:17,864 --> 00:28:19,198 as a kid, it was just normal. 638 00:28:19,199 --> 00:28:20,407 But now I think about it, 639 00:28:20,408 --> 00:28:23,828 and Jimmy had no life but us. 640 00:28:23,828 --> 00:28:25,662 And it was a crazy life. 641 00:28:25,663 --> 00:28:27,498 And Jimmy was this, 642 00:28:27,499 --> 00:28:31,043 you know, kind of stoic Southern gentleman, 643 00:28:31,044 --> 00:28:33,504 (laughs) you know, living in this, uh, 644 00:28:33,505 --> 00:28:35,673 in this kind of, you know, circus. 645 00:28:35,674 --> 00:28:37,508 You know, if Dad was a ringmaster, 646 00:28:37,509 --> 00:28:39,551 Jimmy was a guy that set everything up 647 00:28:39,552 --> 00:28:41,346 and took everything down. 648 00:28:41,346 --> 00:28:43,847 From my first memory, Jimmy's there. 649 00:28:43,848 --> 00:28:46,433 My parents traveled a lot. 650 00:28:46,434 --> 00:28:49,603 And so, that, that's not easy on children. 651 00:28:49,604 --> 00:28:51,230 But, for us it was, 652 00:28:51,231 --> 00:28:54,233 because Jimmy was like a surrogate mother, 653 00:28:54,234 --> 00:28:58,237 a surrogate father, you know, and he loved it. 654 00:28:58,238 --> 00:29:01,032 The w-- The awe and the wonder 655 00:29:01,032 --> 00:29:03,075 and the opportunity came from Ted. 656 00:29:03,076 --> 00:29:04,618 You know, there's no doubt. 657 00:29:04,619 --> 00:29:07,621 Um, but, the grounding came from Jimmy Brown. 658 00:29:07,622 --> 00:29:09,957 He gave up getting married himself, 659 00:29:09,958 --> 00:29:12,002 having children himself. 660 00:29:13,253 --> 00:29:14,963 We were his children. 661 00:29:16,089 --> 00:29:18,882 And so, we were his family. 662 00:29:18,883 --> 00:29:21,553 And he knew we needed him. 663 00:29:21,553 --> 00:29:23,429 (cool jazz music playing) 664 00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:26,432 Turner: I wasn't there as much as I'd wished, 665 00:29:26,433 --> 00:29:29,436 but my children always knew that I loved them. 666 00:29:31,896 --> 00:29:35,065 Meanwhile, the company continued to move at a pace 667 00:29:35,066 --> 00:29:37,736 every bit as hectic as my personal life. 668 00:29:38,611 --> 00:29:41,655 We decided to start our diversification efforts 669 00:29:41,656 --> 00:29:43,950 by going after radio properties. 670 00:29:45,535 --> 00:29:47,161 Regardless of the reasons, 671 00:29:47,162 --> 00:29:50,456 I simply wasn't around as much as I probably should've been. 672 00:29:50,457 --> 00:29:52,958 Take that sheet down, and put it on the deck! 673 00:29:52,959 --> 00:29:54,793 I had found my sport, 674 00:29:54,794 --> 00:29:57,296 and nothing was going to stop me now. 675 00:29:57,297 --> 00:29:59,340 He was doing a lot of sailing, 676 00:29:59,341 --> 00:30:01,801 but not much business because, by now, 677 00:30:02,802 --> 00:30:05,012 we were throwing off a lot of cash. 678 00:30:05,013 --> 00:30:06,805 It, it was very good business. 679 00:30:06,806 --> 00:30:08,725 About that time, 680 00:30:08,975 --> 00:30:12,354 uh, Jack Rice, who owned Rice Broadcasting, 681 00:30:12,771 --> 00:30:14,021 uh... 682 00:30:14,022 --> 00:30:16,483 figured Turner might be an easy touch 683 00:30:17,484 --> 00:30:19,486 to buy his losing deal... 684 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,780 and-- UHF TV station, 685 00:30:22,781 --> 00:30:24,990 and, uh, Ted went for it. 686 00:30:24,991 --> 00:30:27,368 I'm a multifaceted person. 687 00:30:27,369 --> 00:30:29,495 - I've got a lot of different personalities. - speaker: I don't-- 688 00:30:29,496 --> 00:30:31,663 You oughta see me at midnight on a full moon. 689 00:30:31,664 --> 00:30:33,123 (laughter) 690 00:30:33,124 --> 00:30:34,792 Here it comes. (growls) 691 00:30:34,793 --> 00:30:38,796 Unfortunately, the more I learned about TV stations, 692 00:30:38,797 --> 00:30:41,799 the more I realized what a disaster we were in. 693 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,678 Bill Tush: We're just a local TV station in Atlanta 694 00:30:45,428 --> 00:30:47,554 that went off the air about three times a day 695 00:30:47,555 --> 00:30:49,807 'cause we didn't have a transmitter that would stay on. 696 00:30:49,808 --> 00:30:51,558 As far as the early days were concerned, 697 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:54,478 you know, as the joke, as the joke went then, um, 698 00:30:54,479 --> 00:30:57,147 we were number six in a four-station market. 699 00:30:57,148 --> 00:30:59,066 We used to run the same movie twice. 700 00:30:59,067 --> 00:31:00,651 We'd run it in the morning, then run it again 701 00:31:00,652 --> 00:31:02,528 at 11 o'clock at night, but we got rid of that fast 702 00:31:02,529 --> 00:31:03,987 'cause it made us look too poor. 703 00:31:03,988 --> 00:31:05,864 Turner: Our shows were weak, 704 00:31:05,865 --> 00:31:08,992 so I decided to make programming my top priority. 705 00:31:08,993 --> 00:31:10,577 I love movies, and sure enough, 706 00:31:10,578 --> 00:31:13,163 when we put films on in late night, 707 00:31:13,164 --> 00:31:15,208 our ratings improved. 708 00:31:15,417 --> 00:31:19,253 We began airing our best films in Academy Award Theatre, 709 00:31:19,254 --> 00:31:21,423 and I served as the show's host. 710 00:31:21,631 --> 00:31:24,883 - (telegraph beeping) - Peter Dames: I said, "You've never seen 'Citizen Kane'?" 711 00:31:24,884 --> 00:31:27,344 He said, "No." I said, "Believe me, 712 00:31:27,345 --> 00:31:29,013 you're gonna like it." 713 00:31:29,014 --> 00:31:30,764 "News on the March" narrator: Its humble beginnings 714 00:31:30,765 --> 00:31:34,435 in this ramshackle building, a dying daily. 715 00:31:34,436 --> 00:31:36,729 Kane's empire in its glory, 716 00:31:36,730 --> 00:31:40,107 held dominion over 37 newspapers, 717 00:31:40,108 --> 00:31:42,943 two syndicates, a radio network, 718 00:31:42,944 --> 00:31:46,905 an empire upon an empire. 719 00:31:46,906 --> 00:31:49,451 And from the moment the movie started, 720 00:31:50,368 --> 00:31:53,203 till it ended, Turner was mesmerized, 721 00:31:53,204 --> 00:31:56,416 absolutely fascinated by the, uh... 722 00:31:57,083 --> 00:31:59,376 the storyline, and the, and the movie itself. 723 00:31:59,377 --> 00:32:02,589 Me and her decided this ain't the place for you to grow up in. 724 00:32:02,964 --> 00:32:04,382 (characters yell) 725 00:32:04,382 --> 00:32:06,383 What that kid needs is a good thrashing. 726 00:32:06,384 --> 00:32:08,802 - That's what you think, is it, Jim? - Yes. 727 00:32:08,803 --> 00:32:11,764 That's why he's going to be brought up where you can't get at him. 728 00:32:11,765 --> 00:32:13,432 Dames: It just seemed like 729 00:32:13,433 --> 00:32:17,562 there were a lot of parallels between Kane and Turner. 730 00:32:18,021 --> 00:32:21,315 One of those old families where the father is worth 10 million, 731 00:32:21,316 --> 00:32:22,941 and then, one day, he shoots himself, 732 00:32:22,942 --> 00:32:25,070 and it turns out there's nothing but debts. 733 00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:27,321 - Still the college boy, aren't you? - Oh, no, Mr. Thatcher, 734 00:32:27,322 --> 00:32:30,074 I was expelled from college. A lot of colleges. You remember. 735 00:32:30,075 --> 00:32:32,785 "News on the March" narrator: The White House seemingly the next easy step 736 00:32:32,786 --> 00:32:34,662 in a lightning political career. 737 00:32:35,372 --> 00:32:39,334 Then, suddenly, less than one week before election, 738 00:32:39,876 --> 00:32:40,919 defeat. 739 00:32:40,919 --> 00:32:42,294 Dames: I knew he'd like it, 740 00:32:42,295 --> 00:32:44,755 but I didn't know he'd be totally captivated by it. 741 00:32:44,756 --> 00:32:46,757 Kane was an unusual guy, 742 00:32:46,758 --> 00:32:48,926 and Turner's certainly an unusual guy. 743 00:32:48,927 --> 00:32:50,344 Mr. Carter, that's one of the things 744 00:32:50,345 --> 00:32:52,137 that's going to have to be changed around here. 745 00:32:52,138 --> 00:32:54,933 - The news goes on for 24 hours a day. - Twenty-four-- 746 00:32:54,933 --> 00:32:56,809 - Excuse me. - That's right, Mr. Carter. 747 00:32:56,810 --> 00:32:58,143 - Excuse me! - But, Mr. Kane-- 748 00:32:58,144 --> 00:32:59,938 - Excuse me! - It's impossible! 749 00:32:59,938 --> 00:33:01,313 And I was the news director. 750 00:33:01,314 --> 00:33:02,940 I was the whole news department, really, 751 00:33:02,941 --> 00:33:05,276 because we didn't have any staff or any budget. 752 00:33:05,276 --> 00:33:07,779 We had a long-running joke that once we had 753 00:33:07,779 --> 00:33:09,613 to cut our budget in half in the news department, 754 00:33:09,614 --> 00:33:11,323 so we canceled the morning paper. 755 00:33:11,324 --> 00:33:13,951 Not only did he not 756 00:33:13,952 --> 00:33:15,869 know anything about the news, 757 00:33:15,870 --> 00:33:17,621 he wasn't interested in the news, 758 00:33:17,622 --> 00:33:20,040 because, you know, he wanted 759 00:33:20,041 --> 00:33:23,168 to build this entertainment empire. 760 00:33:23,169 --> 00:33:25,170 And that's where Bill Tush came in 761 00:33:25,171 --> 00:33:27,966 with the bag over his head and with the dog. 762 00:33:27,966 --> 00:33:30,300 For more on that story, here's Rex. Rex? 763 00:33:30,301 --> 00:33:31,844 Dames: That was, you know, 764 00:33:31,845 --> 00:33:35,139 a fulfillment of an obligation 765 00:33:35,140 --> 00:33:37,182 that Turner really wished 766 00:33:37,183 --> 00:33:39,143 that he didn't have to have any news. 767 00:33:39,144 --> 00:33:40,437 - (panting) - Thank you, Rex. 768 00:33:40,729 --> 00:33:44,691 We were the only children ever forced to watch television. 769 00:33:44,983 --> 00:33:46,860 Um, we watched a lot of TV. 770 00:33:47,235 --> 00:33:50,320 But, we got smart at the end, and we always made sure 771 00:33:50,321 --> 00:33:52,489 that channels were turned back to 17 772 00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:54,199 when we quit watching something else, 773 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,325 so we could fool him 774 00:33:55,326 --> 00:33:56,702 'cause if he ever turned on the TV, 775 00:33:56,703 --> 00:33:58,245 and it wasn't on 17, 776 00:33:58,246 --> 00:34:01,040 he wouldn't get mad, but he was definitely-- 777 00:34:01,041 --> 00:34:02,499 It was an issue. 778 00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:04,877 After Turner bought channel 17, we-- 779 00:34:04,878 --> 00:34:08,381 And we were losing $100,000, $200,000 a month. 780 00:34:09,549 --> 00:34:12,885 And somewhere along the line, 781 00:34:12,886 --> 00:34:15,596 someone who owned a TV station in Charlotte, 782 00:34:15,597 --> 00:34:17,723 a UHF station 783 00:34:17,724 --> 00:34:19,892 in Charlotte, North Carolina, 784 00:34:19,893 --> 00:34:22,979 was going down the tubes 'cause he was losing so much money. 785 00:34:23,897 --> 00:34:27,400 And he heard about this guy, Turner, and he thought, 786 00:34:28,818 --> 00:34:30,861 "Well, maybe he'll buy my loser." 787 00:34:30,862 --> 00:34:32,029 Which he did. 788 00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:33,906 Turner: I was convinced that TV 789 00:34:33,907 --> 00:34:35,699 was where I wanted to be. 790 00:34:35,700 --> 00:34:38,869 I renamed the Charlotte station W-R-E-T, 791 00:34:38,870 --> 00:34:40,537 which happened to be my initials, 792 00:34:40,538 --> 00:34:42,206 and quickly discovered 793 00:34:42,207 --> 00:34:45,125 that despite the better-looking physical plant and equipment, 794 00:34:45,126 --> 00:34:48,253 the operation was in poor financial shape. 795 00:34:48,254 --> 00:34:50,214 My first job at the station 796 00:34:50,215 --> 00:34:54,051 was painting a big closet and cleaning it out, 797 00:34:54,052 --> 00:34:56,221 of which I was exemplary. 798 00:34:56,221 --> 00:34:59,640 So, I was still at the bottom. And one day, 799 00:34:59,641 --> 00:35:01,225 Ted walked into the sales office, 800 00:35:01,226 --> 00:35:03,811 and everybody was there. It's about 6 o'clock at night. 801 00:35:03,812 --> 00:35:07,398 He said, "I just bought this station in Charlotte, WRET. 802 00:35:07,399 --> 00:35:10,734 "I'm losing $50,000 a month on it. 803 00:35:10,735 --> 00:35:14,738 "I don't have the money to lose. It could bankrupt all of us. 804 00:35:14,739 --> 00:35:17,950 "It, it would be very smart of one or several of you 805 00:35:17,951 --> 00:35:21,662 to get up there and help me fix this thing. Who's going?" 806 00:35:21,663 --> 00:35:24,331 And I mean, everybody jumped under their desks, 807 00:35:24,332 --> 00:35:26,291 ran to the men's room, did everything that-- 808 00:35:26,292 --> 00:35:28,336 I mean, nobody wanted a piece of that. 809 00:35:28,962 --> 00:35:30,587 I was the last guy. 810 00:35:30,588 --> 00:35:32,841 I raised my hand and said, "I'll go." 811 00:35:33,091 --> 00:35:35,467 Um, I was in the car the next day 812 00:35:35,468 --> 00:35:36,636 heading for Charlotte. 813 00:35:37,345 --> 00:35:39,596 Turner: We'd even missed the payroll. 814 00:35:39,597 --> 00:35:41,598 We didn't have enough money for it 815 00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:42,933 in the bank to clear those checks. 816 00:35:42,934 --> 00:35:44,435 I said, "I'm gonna give you the checks, 817 00:35:44,436 --> 00:35:46,603 "but you can't cash 'em. 818 00:35:46,604 --> 00:35:48,106 "You know, gotta hold them till next week 819 00:35:48,106 --> 00:35:49,733 and see if we get a little money coming in." 820 00:35:50,859 --> 00:35:52,443 We were in such bad shape that 821 00:35:52,444 --> 00:35:54,778 I was a year behind on my payments. 822 00:35:54,779 --> 00:35:56,155 They said, "If you don't make a payment, 823 00:35:56,156 --> 00:35:57,364 "we're gonna pull the equipment out, 824 00:35:57,365 --> 00:35:58,449 and you're gonna go dark." 825 00:35:58,450 --> 00:36:00,034 And then, it would've been over. 826 00:36:00,035 --> 00:36:02,036 And then, everything would've gone down 827 00:36:02,037 --> 00:36:05,164 because when Charlotte went and like the dominoes, 828 00:36:05,165 --> 00:36:06,790 Atlanta would've gone, too, 829 00:36:06,791 --> 00:36:09,376 because I was late on my bills there, too. 830 00:36:09,377 --> 00:36:12,839 (smash, dust settling) 831 00:36:19,596 --> 00:36:22,724 (light music playing) 832 00:36:38,573 --> 00:36:41,701 833 00:37:41,261 --> 00:37:43,263 (music fades out) 99985

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