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This programme contains very strong
and discriminatory language
including racist terms
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So, erm, people might not know,
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but we've been running
an undercover operation
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for a year-plus now,
and it's coming to an end.
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Is this... Are we the only
people that know?
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Yeah.
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And so we keep it that way.
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We are going to have
to be kind of super cautious.
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The main story is International
Race Science Network,
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and it brings together sort
of intellectual, far-right people.
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They have PhDs and they're
academics, many of them.
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But I don't think that we
had anticipated
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the kind of things that we would
find out.
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You should be enormously proud about
what you've managed to achieve.
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But we need to start focusing
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a lot of energy on working out
which way
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the rabbit jumps when
the story breaks.
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Which ones are the physical threats?
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Also, how are you
going to prepare your family?
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How are you
going to prepare your friends?
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There's lots of these complex
emotions that are
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going to happen in
the next six months.
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I believe it's justified,
but there are some sort of
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conflicted feelings about how
I've had to lie to them,
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and I'll be betraying them.
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So I definitely don't feel like
I'm on, like, a moral high horse.
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Like, I'm going to be turning
around to some people
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and saying, "My name's not Chris.
I'm the person you hate the most."
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That's the camera unit.
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These are our button options.
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One, two, three.
That's going to be the fake button.
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PHONE VIBRATES
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He should be here,
like, around now.
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In this project, I'm the handler
running an undercover source.
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I'm here to make sure he's safe.
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It's about prepping him,
and the majority is just that -
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good prep is what makes
someone safe.
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KNOCK AT DOOR
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Hey. Morning.
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How are you doing? Good to see you.
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So I'll show you the kit.
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I've got two memory cards. 32GB.
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OK, so all you have
to do is just turn it on.
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Wait till it starts recording.
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Yeah. Three batteries.
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The bigger one makes it a bit
heavier. That should be six hours.
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So that would be enough
for Saturday.
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When you learn how to do it,
you can do it quite quickly.
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Yeah.
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Great.
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I'm a journalist that's very
interested in the far-right,
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and before starting on this project,
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I was doing a few different
undercover hits here and there.
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I've not used a hidden camera,
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and this weekend I'll be wearing
one for the first time.
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If you're not in a position
to switch, don't do it.
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We get what we get.
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I wouldn't be able to do this if
I was just going openly as a
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journalist. These groups are very
sensitive to infiltration and media.
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Does it come in other colours?
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Yeah, it's Uniqlo.
Comes in, like, 500 colours.
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And then when you screw
that button on there...
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Last week, someone was talking
about wanting
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to gun down immigrants in
the Channel.
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There are moments when someone will
say something about wanting
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to murder Jews or immigrants,
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or they think the Holocaust
is a fiction,
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and you feel a justification
for going about what you're doing.
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Right. So that one looks like that.
Yeah.
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And those will go there.
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That looks OK. That's so cool,
I've got to stick this on.
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Infiltration, going undercover,
whatever you want to call it,
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is a long-running strategy.
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It's been around since after
the war, really.
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So these groups, they are aware.
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Absolutely. No question.
It's fine that they know,
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as long as they don't know who.
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The far-right are dangerous.
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Their ideas encourage violence
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even if they're not explicitly
calling for it,
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and that's something all of us
want to stop.
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What do we think?
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Yeah, that's going to work.
Great.
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I mean, I think it looks quite good,
I must say.
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As a very, very white guy,
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you have access to things
and can make use of that.
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Be better if it was pointing
a bit more up.
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You see, like, it's never
going to be perfect.
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You're going to get a lot of sort of
half faces of people.
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It's just how it is.
Just be casual with the camera.
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Try to forget about it, actually.
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It's going to be fine.
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Infiltration is still
really important.
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The more information we have, the
more we know what we're dealing
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with. And ultimately,
and that's our core mission,
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the more that we can stop hate.
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We look at the communities
who are susceptible to
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the far-right and then the issues
and policies that give rise to them.
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It's a mixture of keeping
people safe
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and also understanding, you know,
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what gives the far-right
their power.
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Our researchers might be following
a paper trail online.
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They might be looking at some
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of these quite intense
social networks.
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And then, on another day,
undercover in some of
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the biggest fascist groups
in Europe.
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The far-right aren't like many
other groups.
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The far-right often present one
image to the world
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and what they're saying when they
think no-one's listening is
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different, it's often more extreme.
And so for us, if we really
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want to understand what
they're planning,
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who they are, who's the most
dangerous people, we understand
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we have to be in the room when they
think no-one's listening.
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So the first really big undercover
assignment was this conference
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in Tallinn, and we knew that
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a lot of British people
would be going.
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It's one of the biggest dates
in the far-right calendar.
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This conference connects
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alt-right people from across Europe
and the US.
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And there was a good chance that
a lot of
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the big players would go there.
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We are interested in the context -
who's coming? Who's funding this?
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Because that's really why these
conferences happen.
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They're about networking.
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So I'm here to get
a sort of lay of the land.
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Opposite their hotel, there's
another hotel that overlooks
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the small alleyway where
the entrance is.
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This is all right.
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Yeah.
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It is very exciting
going undercover.
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It's also...crazy.
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You're briefly becoming
a different person.
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There are a number of rules you have
to follow when going undercover.
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You need to know your story
so you don't misspeak,
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so that you are consistent.
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Chris, the person I'm pretending
to be, is from rural Cambridgeshire.
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Don't come across as too curious.
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You have to be patient,
let it come to you.
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He is a strategy consultant
specialising in support function
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optimisation, which is something
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so tedious that it hopefully
does not elicit
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a second or third question.
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CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS
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We try to challenge
the idea that fascists
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and Nazis all wave swastika flags
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and throw Hitler salutes.
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They do that too, that happens,
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but it doesn't always look
like that.
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Morning.
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APPLAUSE
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Here we are. How are things going?
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Good.
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Ryan? Yeah, I know exactly who this
is. He's interesting.
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But we'll debrief after.
Yeah. OK. Yeah, yeah.
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You've been away too long. OK.
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I had an attack of chronic diarrhoea
or something like that.
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HE LAUGHS
You had a really bad one.
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He talked to a really important
figure now, that I didn't know was
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going to be here,
but I know quite a lot about.
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He's involved in a podcast called
The Absolute State Of Britain,
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which is one of
the more extreme British podcasts.
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It's very Nazi, very anti-Semitic.
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Harry stayed calm.
He made connections.
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People spoke to him
and volunteered information.
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The point of today is to celebrate
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the campaign against fascism.
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Extreme right-wing ideas has moved
into the mainstream.
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I was born in Isleworth, Hounslow.
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My mother is Mauritian,
so she came to Britain in 1961.
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I remember, as a kid, her being
on the end of racist abuse.
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I remember walking down the street
with her once when some bloke came
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up and started screaming at her.
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I mean, I don't look mixed heritage,
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but I go dark quite quickly
in the sun.
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So when we used
to go on holidays as a kid,
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I used to sit in a tent.
I wouldn't go out in the sun.
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We want to tell you about
a new party.
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I'd pretend to my family
I didn't like the sun,
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but it wasn't that at all.
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It was simply because if
I got darker, then I got bullied.
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The National Front has
grown rapidly.
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We need to stop immigration
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and give Britain back to
the British people.
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You know, I look back on it with
some kind of shame in a way
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that, you know, I hid.
I hid from racists.
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Millions see parts of this already
overcrowded country
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being taken over by people
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with an entirely foreign way
of life.
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We intend that it shall be stopped.
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I remember the National Front Party
political broadcast,
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and I remember being
really horrified
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because in it they said that
their policy was
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to send people home within
six months.
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People who weren't born in Britain,
they'd send them home within
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six months. And I was petrified
that my mum was about
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to get picked up and sent home.
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That shaped the person I am.
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I only ever wanted to do one thing,
and that was fight fascism.
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A lot of this archive was
collected by anti-fascists,
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that were active, kind of obviously
well before I was even born.
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And so we've got stuff like
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lots of the original union movement
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and British Union
of Fascist membership cards.
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We've even got, like, the British
Union of Fascist ledgers of members
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and who was who,
and all that sort of stuff.
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So, like, who's paid their dues
and all that sort of thing.
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These were kind of the armbands that
they would wear at their meetings.
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These are really racist stickers,
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and these were from a group called
the British Movement,
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a neo-Nazi group in
the postwar period.
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And this is the thing about this
archive, right, there's all these
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horrifying artefacts themselves,
but in-between the shelves are
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the stories of anti-fascists who
went out and, in some senses,
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risked their lives
to make sure that what
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the far-right were up to over
the last 100 years
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people found out about,
and we could try and stop.
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1923. You see the emergence of
a group in the UK
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called the British Fascisti.
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And that very first meeting was
disrupted by anti-fascists.
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This is before the Holocaust.
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This is before the Nazis were
in power in Germany.
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Italy has only just fallen
to Mussolini.
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A group of people that
realised instantly
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the danger that fascism posed,
and mobilised against it.
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And so it's the 100th anniversary
of kind of
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the birth of the movement that,
I think, that
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we feel that Hope Not Hate is
still a part of, you know?
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This is from July 1937. Action,
which was the newspaper
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of Oswald Mosley's
British Union of Fascists,
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and it's about the Battle
of Cable Street from 1936
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where the anti-fascists stopped
the Mosley's marchers.
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And so, yeah, I mean,
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I'm unbelievably proud
to be part of that movement.
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Information is power.
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We would not have stopped
the plot to kill Rosie Cooper,
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the MP, if it wasn't for
a person being inside
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the room reporting information.
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NEWS REPORTER: Jack Renshaw
planned to kill the Labour MP
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and threatened to kill
a police officer.
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In World War II, we took
the wrong side.
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We should have been fighting
the communists.
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The plan was exposed because there
was a member inside
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the group who was working
undercover
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for the anti-racism organisation
Hope Not Hate.
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I was to be murdered to send
a message to the state,
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to send a message to this place.
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Our freedoms, our way of life, our
democracy is under threat.
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It's our role to look at
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the whole spectrum
of what we mean by radical right,
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far-right, fascist. But also
to be really clear
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about the differences
between those groups.
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Right now,
it's a very febrile moment.
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We've come off the back
of a pandemic.
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We've got a
cost of living crisis here -
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people can't afford
to heat their homes
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and feed their children.
And when people are angry,
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and in many cases right to be angry,
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but they're angry
and they're scared,
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the far-right know that
that's their moment.
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What marks these events out
is their focus on intellectualism.
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They often term these things
race science,
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but that's a terrible term.
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It's racism masquerading as science
in order to sound more legitimate.
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PHONE PINGS
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OK, Harry is on his way.
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Hello! Hey.
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How are you doing? OK.
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We met a guy called Matt, a Brit.
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He runs a Substack called, er, Af...
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No, not Amphora...
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Aporia. It's a HBD for human
biodiversity Substack.
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The words banded about are terms
like HBD or human biodiversity,
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evolutionary psychology,
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race realism.
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All of these terms mean
a similar thing,
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that there are inherent
differences between the races,
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especially when it comes
to intelligence.
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The result of that is
the idea that some
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groups of people are genetically
superior to others.
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Is it this guy, then?
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Yeah, that's him. Matt.
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No, I don't know him.
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It's quite a different crowd from
the people you met last time.
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Matt Archer. Here we go.
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What's his background, this Matt?
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His backpack said something like
"Kensington".
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So, Londoner. Mm-hm.
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We met a lot of people at Tallinn,
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but by far the most fascinating
was Matt.
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He seemed to be very connected.
He spoke to everyone
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and people had a lot of
respect for him.
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Cambridge-educated, very
well-spoken, well put together.
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He says that he's got a Silicon
Valley investor
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that has given him money
to make this into a proper project.
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Matt said that it wasn't
a household name,
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but was one of the wealthiest people
in the American tech scene.
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This is so much to work on. There's
so many threads to pick up here.
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Yeah. Especially the money stuff.
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A rumour that we had heard at this
weekend in Tallinn was that
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Aporia might have had some type
of connection
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to this thing called
the Pioneer Fund.
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Yeah, exactly. And what's this
Pioneer Fund? Have you heard of it?
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Mm.
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The Pioneer Fund is one of the
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oldest race science funding
organisations
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in the world.
But everyone thinks it's defunct.
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See what you can find about it.
Like, ask.
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The Pioneer Fund had been set up by
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Americans who were interested in
advancing research into eugenics.
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It's inspired by Nazi Germany
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and there were collaborations
with the Nazi regime.
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The Pioneer Fund promoted
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and screened actual Nazi propaganda
films in the US in the late '30s.
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What the Pioneer Fund argued
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at the time is that certain groups
of people are exploiting
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the state and are getting benefits
and care that they don't deserve.
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Films focused on people
with disabilities
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and argued for their removal
from the race.
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It was the first time that we
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realised there was something
potentially very dark
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and frightening, because Matt was
describing connections
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to money and power.
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We see the far-right across
the class spectrum,
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the most well-known being
street-level groups.
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British and proud!
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Child murderer! You make me sick!
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CHANTING: Send them home!
Send them home!
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We are here because our country
is being invaded
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and enough is enough!
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THEY CHEER
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In order to gain their following,
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they're very often using
real concerns that people have
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and twisting them into their
much more extreme narrative.
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But they're coming here
and posing a threat to our girls.
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It's a very common feature of
the demos that people will name
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victims or name incidents,
but it's really difficult
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to guarantee whether those
things ever happened.
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He spent two hours in a taxi
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searching for a hotel
to rape her in.
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It goes from local residents
being concerned about
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a local issue to far-right ideology
and eventually far-right activism.
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Let's replace these traitorous
politicians
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before they replace us.
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When you're from
a white working class community,
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you can see how people
can be lied to
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and exploited for political means.
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I deeply care about where I'm from
and I care about communities
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that I feel like are being
exploited,
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because I think what those
far-right groups are advocating for
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won't help people in
those communities.
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They're not going to tackle
the cost of living
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by scapegoating asylum seekers.
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We will not be replaced!
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So, on the Aporia website,
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there is a mention
of human biodiversity.
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HBD, kind of faux scientific term.
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It's a shorthand
to describe their world view.
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A few different headlines here.
"An HBD manifesto."
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"Can nations have IQs?"
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"Why are white people
more honest?"
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"Why talk about race differences?"
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"The time for noble lies
and cautious caveats is past.
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"Race differences in intelligence
are recalcitrant facts
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"with pervasive ramifications."
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This is a classic framing
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because race scientists put
forward that they are just
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the pursuers of truth.
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It might not be what everyone
wants to hear,
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but that's just the way it is.
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Matt wants to try and,
as he described it,
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move the Overton window on
race science.
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The Overton window - it's a concept
that says there's this window
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of ideas
the public is willing to accept.
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And the far-right know that what
they're advocating is unpalatable
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to the majority of people.
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And the theory goes that if you
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want to change what people think
of as acceptable,
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you shouldn't start here.
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You should start here,
at the extreme.
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Because forcing people
to consider an unthinkable idea,
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even if they reject it,
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makes all less radical ideas seem
more acceptable by comparison.
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It shifts the window in
that direction.
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And so if they can get their ideas
mentioned
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in the mainstream, then they can
eventually get
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to the ultimate goal of
a white-only ethno state.
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People don't have to accept
a ridiculous idea.
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They just have to get used to it.
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Between 2016 and '17,
I spent the year undercover
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investigating an intellectual
fascist group in London.
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They were well-dressed.
Many of them had PhDs.
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The year culminated in the
Charlottesville rally in the US.
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The largest gathering of white
supremacists in America in a decade.
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Charlottesville turned very violent,
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and I was obviously with
the far-right.
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They were asked to disperse.
Some are taking on gas masks.
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When the far-right demo was over,
this car drove down
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a side street that I was just
turning up on
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and ploughed through
the counter protest.
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SCREAMING
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I was maybe three,
four or five metres away.
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I saw shoes flying in the air
and people on the ground,
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and it was quite traumatic.
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The attack left dozens injured
and a 32-year-old woman dead.
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Through this year, you would
sometimes question,
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like, how influential are they?
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What does it actually do
if a bunch of guys sit in
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a conference hall
and express racist ideas?
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Charlottesville clarified
that question.
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When these ideas are taken
to their extreme,
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this is where it goes.
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I had this idea that race science
kind of died out in the '90s.
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It seems like now there's this new
generation who are quite happy
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pushing thoroughly debunked science
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with a view to achieving
a far-right goal.
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So Richard Lynn. You know,
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one most famous race scientists
there's ever been.
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The fact that they've been able
to get so close to him
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is remarkable.
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He was the director of
the Pioneer Fund.
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Lynn said his ambition was
to rehabilitate eugenics,
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and once argued that poor people
should not be encouraged to breed.
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Can you tell me what makes you
the dissident psychologist?
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I have documented quite large race
differences in intelligence
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ranging from the most
intelligent people
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who are the Ashkenazi Jews,
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followed by the Northeast Asians
from China and Korea
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and Japan, then the Europeans,
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followed by the North Africans
and South Asians,
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and then by the
Native American Indians
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and then by the
sub-Saharan Africans.
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Mainstream scientists have long said
Lynn's work is deeply flawed
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and deliberately misleading.
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This interview suggested
to us that there was
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a connection there. Richard Lynn,
involved in the Pioneer Fund.
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Matt rumoured to be financially
benefiting from it.
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It's not concrete proof.
This is a small world,
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but it is a connection.
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We're going to the High Court today.
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Tommy Robinson is appearing.
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We provided 247 pages of evidence.
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We work to monitor, gather evidence
against, and stop all far-right
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leaders and influencers
in the country.
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Oh, Tommy, Tommy!
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One of the most significant people
we have watched over
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the years is Tommy Robinson,
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former leader of
the English Defence League.
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How did it go today?
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It was just the same as usual
attempt at trying
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to embarrass me or humiliate me
in front of these guys.
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I got convicted by a judge,
not a jury.
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Give me a jury and let them decide
whether I told the truth. That's it.
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Tommy Robinson is an anti-Muslim,
far-right activist.
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He started out as
a football hooligan
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and then he ran
the English Defence League.
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For the first few months,
he hid his identity.
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He always wore balaclavas,
and no-one quite knew who he was.
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But it was our researchers who
uncovered his real identity -
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Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.
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Tommy Robinson, as he's now called,
sets a touch paper alight.
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โช England till I die
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โช I'm England till I die โช
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That goes across the country in
the years that follow...
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Get that fucking camera out my face!
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..and it was violent.
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It was extreme.
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SHOUTING
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It was very,
very, very anti-Muslim.
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Leicester in 2010.
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We had a couple of teams out on the
street photographing and videoing.
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SIREN WAILS
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And that was the first time
I'd seen him face-to-face.
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You know, it was the first time
I saw his eyeballs
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and he was an angry man.
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The interesting thing that
Tommy has done,
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he pivoted to becoming
a far-right influencer
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and, as he calls it,
a citizen journalist.
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And he was almost one of
the first to do it.
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He creates video documentaries,
but he also does these kind of
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confrontational videos where he
approaches people
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and accuses them of stuff.
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You're a paedophile.
You're a paedophile.
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It's hard to kind of imagine
how big he became online.
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He was bigger than
the Labour Party on Facebook.
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He was reaching millions
of people around the world.
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And he's moved into this
free speech space.
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Tommy Robinson,
thank you very much.
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And increasingly,
491
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,440
he has a following in the US.
492
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,880
Tommy Robinson, a hero of free
speech and of nationalism
493
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,160
and of Christianity
and of just basic goodness.
494
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,800
Many American right-wing figures
genuinely believe that
495
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,280
Europe is under siege from Islam
496
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,080
and the West is being invaded
by people of an alien culture that
497
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,200
are consciously being flooded into
Europe to conquer them.
498
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,680
In Finland and Sweden,
499
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,400
Muslims are allowed to
rape children.
500
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,880
They see people like Tommy Robinson
as these front line soldiers.
501
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,440
That's why they were
so supportive of them.
502
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,400
And he got a huge amount
of money out of it.
503
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,440
Sadly, hate pays. Right?
504
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,480
Alongside the race science crowd,
505
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,200
I was also meeting with
the foot soldiers
506
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,200
of the far-right,
groups like Britain First.
507
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,520
Morning, gents. Hiya.
Morning, Chris.
508
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,960
Good to see you.
Ah, Chris! How are you doing?
509
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,560
You're looking very smart.
I like the pinstripes.
510
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,280
Britain First is very different
from the race science people.
511
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,720
They are more stereotypically
a far-right group.
512
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,280
They're focused on action
and they're on the streets.
513
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,640
They try to change people's minds.
514
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,440
They try to gain influence
through elections.
515
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,320
The leader of Britain First
is Paul Golding.
516
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,800
He has a long history in
the far-right in the UK.
517
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,400
However, he presents as this
professional politician.
518
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,440
We've had four months
of relentless action.
519
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,680
All of our activists out there
pounding the streets,
520
00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:19,680
leafletting, canvassing.
521
00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:22,360
I had been with Britain First
for a few months now
522
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,160
and was often filmed for their
prolific social media content.
523
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:29,800
Britain First and the race
scientists are very different,
524
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,680
but they both believe that
Western civilisation is under threat
525
00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:35,440
because of non-white immigration.
526
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,840
Paul Golding has this more
moderate image of
527
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,160
a kind of...just to the right of
the Tories,
528
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,080
presenting himself as
this Churchill-type patriot.
529
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,880
And yet, he and other
Britain First members
530
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,280
post extreme messages on
social media.
531
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,360
And we wanted to show
532
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,160
the real Britain First,
what they actually believe.
533
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,920
What's going on in Britain First...
534
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,880
We were in this village in Essex.
535
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,480
After going to the refugee centre.
536
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,120
And a woman came up to us and said,
you know,
537
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,640
"What the hell are you doing?"
538
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,520
"Stop handing out these leaflets."
You know, "Leave. Go away."
539
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,480
Paul Golding wanted to leaflet
the next village along,
540
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,240
so he drives off in the minibus
and we follow in a separate car.
541
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,600
They hate being called racist,
542
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,920
but at the same time believe
the immigrants are violent,
543
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,240
fighting-age males.
544
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,520
So, Hope Not Hate are
the dirty tricks brigade of
545
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,960
the British establishment.
This is Nick Lowles.
546
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,800
Nick Lowles is the main face
and the head of the organisation.
547
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,280
We track all far-right figures
548
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,880
so, as well as Britain First,
we've been observing
549
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,520
Tommy Robinson since he first
came on the scene.
550
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,360
"Lennon Consultancy."
551
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,720
We've worked to get him taken off
social media platforms,
552
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,240
we've investigated his finances...
553
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,280
Oh, no, that's Paul Harris, that's
one of his other fake names.
554
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,520
..and we publish reports
and stories about him.
555
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,680
It's meant that we have become
his number-one enemy.
556
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,440
I started to receive takeaways
that I hadn't ordered,
557
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,040
sometimes eight a night -
12, one o'clock in the morning.
558
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,880
Clearly an attempt to harass me
from someone who knew my address.
559
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,560
Nick, how many people have you...
How many people have you paid?
560
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,160
How many? How many sources have you
created to give false information?
561
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,920
I was confronted on
the street outside my house.
562
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,040
Your book is full of created
sources that you've
563
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,560
created with money, blackmail,
drugs. That's not true at all.
564
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,240
By that stage, he knew that I was
writing a book about him,
565
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,800
so he was trying to stop me or to
try to damage my reputation
566
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,600
so no-one would take anything
I wrote seriously.
567
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,000
You paid them. Sure, sure.
We've got evidence of it.
568
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,280
You pay them, you blackmail him,
569
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,200
you sexually assault them
as an organisation.
570
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,960
But in 2023, Robinson made
a huge mistake.
571
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,120
He had already been found liable
for defamation,
572
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,280
lying about a young school boy
who was a Syrian refugee.
573
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,600
Robinson claimed the boy had been
violent towards girls.
574
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,680
He was forbidden by the court
to repeat those lines.
575
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:52,800
He did it anyway.
576
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,640
He made a film claiming
the court was wrong
577
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,640
and repeated the allegations
against a schoolboy.
578
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,280
The film aired online
579
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,480
but Robinson claimed
to have had nothing to do
580
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,840
with its release.
He said it had been leaked.
581
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,400
So we need to prove that Robinson
had been actively part of the
582
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,480
release, and had in fact added new
material to the film.
583
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,200
Who knows where I am when you're
watching this film now?
584
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,000
The thing about this, right, is the
smugness of it while he's hiding.
585
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,280
Problem is that because he's silly
enough to put up this sort of
586
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,520
content, it means that we were
able to find it out.
587
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,280
So you see the cars there. Cuba.
588
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,720
Well, what we have to then look at
is any hotels near
589
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,680
a main road here,
and he's on the sea.
590
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:54,880
And then if you can see here,
there's this spiral staircase.
591
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,280
And my colleague then spends
hundreds of hours until he can find
592
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,520
a picture that showed us
that staircase,
593
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,320
and then we could ring up
the hotel.
594
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:08,680
In April.
595
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,960
So we think he made that
clip in April 2023.
596
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,720
The court will have to decide if he
breached the injunction.
597
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,960
And you've got the power bank cable.
598
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,120
But we don't really know how
many will turn up.
599
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,520
Stay in touch and figure out
600
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,600
if there is a possibility of
meeting up.
601
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:39,920
See you in a bit.
602
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,200
Some of the senior figures
of Britain First were talking about
603
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:52,160
going to Poland,
going on this big march.
604
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,560
As ever, everything would be filmed
605
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,040
and posted on their
gold tick Twitter account.
606
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,240
And that included Paul Golding,
the leader,
607
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,080
and Nick Scanlon, their candidate
for London Mayor.
608
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,520
The rally is Polish independence
609
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,200
after the Second World War.
610
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:17,400
After ten years of
a nationalist government,
611
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,600
this demonstration had grown
and grown and grown in size
612
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,520
and become one of the largest
far-right demonstrations in Europe.
613
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,400
It attracts a lot
of different people.
614
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,920
There are families there with kids,
615
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,040
and others who are there
to celebrate independence.
616
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,040
But also extreme far-right groups.
617
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,840
There is a big chunk
618
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,720
of explicitly fascist groups
walking through it.
619
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,320
Look on the floor there.
You see this?
620
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,280
They're all stood on
the gay pride flag
621
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,720
and European Union flag. Yeah.
622
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:51,800
Fucking hell. Look at that.
623
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,920
They're just wiping their feet on
the gay pride flag.
624
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,600
As a gay man, it's, erm...
625
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,680
..complicated to see,
626
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:05,960
but I think you go into this mood
where you are just
627
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,680
there to observe. But it is scary.
It's scary
628
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:13,360
because I really believe it could
happen here as well.
629
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,080
I see sort of the rise of homophobia
630
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,120
and a lot of transphobia right now
as well.
631
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,000
It makes me think about what can
happen if we just let these things
632
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,080
fester and let them normalise.
633
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,000
Oh, my fucking God,
it's Adolf Hitler.
634
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,480
CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS
635
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,200
God, that's a Jewish person
hanging from a lamppost.
636
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,400
Jews get the blame
for everything, right?
637
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,920
White supremacists see modern
society as failing, as collapsing.
638
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,960
They hate feminism,
they hate immigration,
639
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,680
they hate LGBT people,
people of colour,
640
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:54,760
and they are all believed
to be undermining western society.
641
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,200
But for the most extreme people,
Jews are seen as
642
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,400
the kind of all-powerful
facilitators,
643
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,240
the masterminds that are encouraging
this destruction of white society.
644
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,640
Try and get the group of people in
black there with green armbands.
645
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:22,840
CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS
646
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,600
There's a guy in the middle that has
a flag - is that an American flag?
647
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,760
I think it's Patriot Front flag.
648
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,920
American. Patriot Front.
649
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,640
If you look at his gloves,
650
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,440
you can see they've got
knuckle-dusters on them.
651
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,040
If you look right at
the front there,
652
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,560
the blue flag with the cross
in the middle,
653
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:15,960
that's the British movement.
654
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,800
It's a very intolerant
demonstration.
655
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,040
Of course, not every person
at this march is a Nazi
656
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,440
but they are happy
to march alongside them.
657
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,000
Britain First wants to go there
to represent the UK
658
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,840
but they also want to make friends
and be seen in this big rally.
659
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,000
A lot of patriots from all
across Europe coming
660
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,080
for this brilliant event.
661
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,680
Nick, what's your opinion
of what you've seen so far?
662
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:52,160
Fantastic. Never seen anything
like it in my life.
663
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,280
True nationalism and patriotism.
664
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,240
Absolutely. If only we could have
this in Britain.
665
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,840
FIREWORKS BANG
666
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,160
Harry got a good rapport
with Paul Golding
667
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,120
and some of the other members,
so he did really well there.
668
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,320
A weird mixture of, like, families
and then, like, horrible Nazis.
669
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,240
It was weird. Yeah.
670
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,360
They were talking about how
the media always says that it's like
671
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:33,520
a Nazi thing rather than a
nationalist patriot thing.
672
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,920
All great pictures!
HE LAUGHS
673
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,000
You're looking a bit lost.
674
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,560
I look absolutely vacant.
675
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,120
There's nothing between those ears.
676
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,440
I mean,
this one was the creepiest one.
677
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:50,600
Is he looking at you?
678
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,360
Scanlon's looking straight at me.
679
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,960
Yeah. He must not have clocked
you, though.
680
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,280
He kept sort of doing this sort of,
you know what I mean?
681
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,200
Like sort of patting me on
the chest,
682
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:01,320
right where the camera bit was.
683
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:02,680
LAUGHS
684
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:04,080
He did that a couple of times,
685
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,080
and I was just like,
"Fuck, how could he not?
686
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,320
"How could he not feel this great
hunk of plastic on my chest?"
687
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,680
But he touched it, I swear.
688
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:13,920
But it's something to keep
in mind with him, though.
689
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,520
But I think that's only when
he's drunk.
690
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,600
When... When he's...
When he's sober, he's pretty, erm...
691
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,440
He keeps his hands to himself.
692
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,960
LAUGHTER
693
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,840
Do you mind if I zip around?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
694
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,560
Because I might be able to try to...
695
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,040
Yeah.
696
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,560
OK.
697
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,360
I want to find this bit.
698
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,480
Oh, fuck. I hate hearing myself
saying this. It's absolutely awful.
699
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,720
You are being something else
in order to do the job
700
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,040
and you don't like that person.
701
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,520
Yeah, I have an idea about myself
that's not... It's not horrid.
702
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,280
And then listening
to these tapes and playing them,
703
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,840
it's like, "Oh, no wait,
I am actually being a total cunt."
704
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,320
It would be odd if you didn't
705
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,280
dislike the person you're
having to be.
706
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,280
Yeah, it's just stark hearing it.
707
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,360
He was eyeing up the girls in
the bar.
708
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:28,640
Yeah.
709
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,520
Yeah.
710
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,080
LAUGHS
711
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,800
Wow, OK, so you knew that...
712
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:42,920
Yeah, yeah.
713
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:53,400
Did you hear that? Yeah.
714
00:47:58,840 --> 00:47:59,840
Yeah.
715
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:02,600
Yeah. Oh, fuck.
716
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,680
Yeah, belly of the beast, yeah.
717
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,400
Did you hear that? Yes.
718
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,080
OK. OK. That is very good.
719
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,000
He's a mayoral candidate
and we've got at least two,
720
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,960
maybe three bombshell quotes
on him.
721
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,600
I don't think this could have gone
better, this weekend.
722
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,640
This is the Jewish cemetery
of Warsaw.
723
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,920
It's one of the biggest
and oldest in Europe.
724
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:02,440
Part of my family comes from Poland,
725
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,040
they left Poland just before
the First World War.
726
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:09,440
Life for Jews in Poland at that
time was very difficult.
727
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,280
My great-grandfather was a tailor.
728
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,160
He decided to leave
with his young family
729
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,120
to come to London.
730
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,680
Even though we're not culturally
or practising Jews,
731
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:24,800
his story looms large in my family.
732
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:30,720
The family that didn't leave
Poland before the Holocaust,
733
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,800
we don't know what happened to them.
734
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,960
They are believed to have been, erm,
735
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,600
deported to Majdanek
and gassed there.
736
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,760
So many of the people who
I've met in the last year
737
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,120
do have Jews in their sights.
738
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,280
It's very sad
and it's maddening that
739
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,280
the same political forces that
caused all these deaths
740
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,000
in the 20th century are still alive
in some form today.
741
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,440
This stuff never goes away.
742
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,640
The symbols and
the flags might alter somewhat.
743
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,480
The meaning behind them doesn't.
744
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,880
I've just come back from Manchester,
745
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,600
where I met officers from
the National Crime Agency.
746
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,800
They informed me that they had
recently arrested someone under
747
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,320
the Malicious Communications Act,
748
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,320
and while searching his devices,
749
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,760
they found my name
and my home address,
750
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,600
and he was in contact with somebody
- they don't know who -
751
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,960
to target me. He's clearly a
far-right sympathiser,
752
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,480
a big Tommy Robinson
supporter, visits their Telegram
753
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,240
and, you know, social media channels
a lot. Britain First supporter,
754
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,240
very anti, kind of,
migrants and immigrants.
755
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,600
They kind of reassured me they will
prosecute him for plotting
756
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,640
to send me hoax messages
or threats or whatever.
757
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,920
My address has never been public.
758
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,920
Yet this bloke knew my address,
my postcode, my house number.
759
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,040
You know,
a 19-year-old kid in Lancashire.
760
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,800
PHONE RINGS
761
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,280
We found a website.
762
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,120
Someone's put up your phone number
and my phone number.
763
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,320
And they put it up with like
a little blurb about we were
764
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,280
the ones that have been going
after Tommy, so...
765
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,760
OK, well, I'm sorry to hear
that about you, mate.
766
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,640
Yeah, well, and you.
767
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,680
I've got more bad news
for you, actually. Right.
768
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:10,520
He appeared in court just in
April this year
769
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,360
after the security service in
the USA intercepted
770
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,800
an order for a .38 Calibre
Smith and Wesson pistol.
771
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,760
So we came across a court record.
772
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,560
The US security services tipped off
the British police.
773
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,120
They intercepted the parcel,
took out a real gun,
774
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,080
put in a fake,
775
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,520
and then arrested him with
the fake.
776
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,320
They didn't mention anything
about a gun.
777
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,320
It's really fucked up. I mean...
778
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,960
I appreciate all this, Joe.
And let's, erm,
779
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,440
let's catch up tomorrow morning
780
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,640
and just compare notes
and everything.
781
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,640
All right. Stay safe.
Let me know when you get home.
782
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,520
All right, mate, take care.
All right, mate. Bye-bye. Bye.
783
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,600
CHUCKLES
784
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:00,640
Oh!
785
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,240
So, well, good news and bad news -
786
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,160
I've found the person that's been
sending you the takeaways.
787
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,720
So the date that you got your
first takeaway,
788
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,840
we now have a screencap of
an order to your house.
789
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,280
Two chilli chicken masalas,
one mushroom pilau rice,
790
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:22,600
with your address on it.
791
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,960
It seems that the person that's been
ordering the takeaways is now
792
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,000
the same person that bought the gun
793
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,600
and, erm, and has been arrested.
794
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,160
And it seems, again, from the
circumstantial evidence that
795
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,280
the individual who
has been arrested
796
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,880
is the same person that posted
your address and my address.
797
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,600
How have the police not found this?
798
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,360
I can't be certain, but it seems
very clear that this guy got
799
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,320
obsessed with Hope Not Hate,
got obsessed with you,
800
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,480
harassed you for months,
published our addresses,
801
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,520
and then bought a gun from America.
802
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,760
To me, I mean, that's the timeline.
803
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,000
It's very clear there's
lots of links to Tommy.
804
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,720
I'm not saying direct links
with Tommy.
805
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,520
The guy kind of pops up in
Tommy Robinson's chats loads.
806
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,200
We're mean about Tommy Robinson,
he goes and finds out who we are.
807
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:06,600
The difference here is that they're
not just sending us
808
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,920
horrible messages on social media.
He's gone and bought a gun. Right?
809
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:13,320
How are you holding up?
810
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,280
Because your address is up there
as well, isn't it?
811
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,240
A little bit shaken by it.
812
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,720
So I came home from work one day
and there's, like,
813
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,880
a building site literally
ten metres away.
814
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,400
And there was like the black
boarding that they put around
815
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,400
the building site, and someone had
sprayed in massive letters "rapist"
816
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,960
right out this window, kind of just
across the street directly.
817
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,840
And, erm, and obviously Tommy
Robinson calls me a rapist.
818
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,800
He calls Nick a paedophile,
calls me a rapist.
819
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,920
That's the way he tries
to whip up his supporters
820
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,920
to hate us.
And, erm, and you don't know.
821
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,640
You never know, right?
It's the main road.
822
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,720
So you think, "Well, maybe it's
about someone else, right?"
823
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,200
You know, we hope it's about
someone else.
824
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:53,560
Or maybe they would have put
my name.
825
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,800
And then it got painted over
by the builders.
826
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,480
And then a few days later,
it comes back again.
827
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,520
They rewrote it. "Rapists."
And, erm...
828
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,800
And you, you know, and you hope
it's... Sorry.
829
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,920
And you hope it's just, you know,
general graffiti or something.
830
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,240
But you don't know then, do you?
You know, it's at night-time
831
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,200
and you think, "Well, someone
knows where I live
832
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:26,560
"and he calls me..." which is the
worst that you could be called
833
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,160
in the world, right?
And then it's there, you know?
834
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,120
You think, "Shit, maybe someone
does know where I live. Maybe..."
835
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:36,520
Sorry.
836
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,640
It's just fucking horrible,
you know?
837
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:43,920
But when they're coming for us,
838
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,000
they're not going for
the people they'd normally target,
839
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,360
you know, which is positive.
840
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,480
If you go back to the '20s
and '30s,
841
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,040
the cartoons were about
Jewish men being a sexual threat
842
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,680
to young women. In the postwar
period it was about,
843
00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:58,080
you know,
Afro-Caribbean and West Indian
844
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,600
and Indian men being sexual threats
845
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,680
and pimps in West London.
And then, you know,
846
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:06,160
the Muslims are groomers.
There's nothing new in that tactic.
847
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,320
The far-right present themselves
as the defenders.
848
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,080
They're defenders of women,
they're defenders of children.
849
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,960
Of course I am, you know,
broadly speaking, a white man.
850
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,400
But I think the people of the
far-right probably can just tell
851
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,880
there's something in there. But I
don't think anyone's going to guess.
852
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,880
Irish, German, Indian.
853
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,520
My grandfather,
he came over on a boat in 1951.
854
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,680
My mum's mum was German, and she
came over as domestic help
855
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:34,720
straight after the Second World War.
856
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,000
And this German woman and this
Indian man fall in love
857
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:42,200
in West London. And a lot of the
family disowned her.
858
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,280
What on earth they must have
had to go through
859
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:45,760
as that couple in that period.
860
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,960
In some sense, it allows me to be
here now, you know.
861
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:53,960
It's like a beautiful kind of
post-war love story,
862
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,080
isn't it, really?
863
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,920
Tommy's documentary is only
about one young man
864
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,240
but it feeds into a much wider
anti-migrant focus that
865
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,040
the far-right have had over
the last few years.
866
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,360
We thought that this was
867
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,840
a really good chance to hold
him to account.
868
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,400
We are outside the
Attorney General's office,
869
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,560
where we're delivering
an open letter
870
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,880
and a dossier
of evidence which proves that
871
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,160
Tommy Robinson knowingly
broke the law.
872
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,640
The evidence is overwhelming.
It's now just a case of making sure
873
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,080
the Attorney General's Office
see it.
874
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,080
Erm, and then we have
to prove that it's in
875
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,120
the public interest.
It's over 80 pages.
876
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,160
It will probably take
a few months for
877
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,360
the Attorney General to review it,
because they are overwhelmed.
878
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,360
It might not look like much
879
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,960
but this is actually
a really big moment for us.
880
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,320
Hi, there. We're booked to drop off
a petition to Attorney General.
881
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:03,760
We emailed about it.
882
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,400
Thank you so much.
883
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,200
We're done.
884
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,360
Woo! Woo!
885
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,760
CLAPPING
886
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,280
Nice. Thanks, everyone.
887
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,640
And it's all done. All done.
888
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,640
Meanwhile, we continued our
investigation into Aporia
889
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,720
and who was financing it.
890
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,360
Hello.
891
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,240
Patrik and I had this idea
to get close to Matt.
892
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,000
I was going to pretend to be
an investor.
893
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:46,280
I approached him saying that
894
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,600
I had recently come into some
family money,
895
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,840
I want to put it into something that
I believe in.
896
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:55,680
The funding situation for Aporia
is, I would say, quite healthy.
897
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,360
From the moment Harry positioned
himself as a donor,
898
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,880
said he had money, things started
moving quite quickly.
899
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,800
Money talks, fictional money talks.
900
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,640
We were able to get
to meet Matt several times,
901
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,080
his team - online, in person.
902
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,200
Perhaps if it would be good
to start with Aporia,
903
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,640
I would be interested
to know how you are set up
904
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,200
for funding and if, you know,
905
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,120
what would you basically be able
to do with a bit more in your tank?
906
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,960
Even back in Tallinn,
Matt Archer said
907
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,240
"it's a redpilling operation",
which means to radicalise.
908
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,040
Well, we want to be read by
the elite, right?
909
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,960
The aspiring elite people that might
accidentally end up becoming
910
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,480
the elite because they're
so crazy or entrepreneurial
911
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,160
that they make it big.
912
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,280
So it's like we're now
a few rungs removed from
913
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,600
the most important people who
endorse these messages of, like,
914
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,800
you know, important
policy-relevant social science.
915
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,000
Aporia is trying
to get important policymakers
916
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,520
and entrepreneurs
and billionaires accustomed to
917
00:59:53,560 --> 01:00:00,480
the idea that races have different,
discernible levels of intelligence.
918
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,680
So I see us playing that
role as being like,
919
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,960
you pick up this physical
end-of-year magazine,
920
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,360
you perhaps go to our site
921
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,360
and you learn something that's
relevant for governing as an elite.
922
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,360
When you want to set up
a new project, like someone...
923
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,640
like, we've got lots of people,
obviously. We've got, like, kind of
924
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,480
an underground organisation as well
going on with research.
925
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:23,400
Right towards the end of the call,
he mentions they also operate
926
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:28,000
an underground research
organisation.
927
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:33,800
This seemed to us a really exciting
tip that we wanted to look into.
928
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,800
So that begged the question,
929
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,120
is this connected to
the Pioneer Fund?
930
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,080
Brilliant. That sounds like a sort
of much more rocket-powered version
931
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,640
of the Pioneer Fund.
932
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:53,720
Today is a dinner to try
and get to know him a bit more,
933
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,920
try and find out who his
funders are,
934
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,520
and hear a bit more about
what he has planned
935
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,160
for his organisation.
936
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,720
This camera has
a very sensitive stop button,
937
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,520
so if you brush against
the stop button,
938
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:16,360
you lose all the footage that you've
been working so hard to get.
939
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,440
I found the caps of the top of...
940
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,120
LAUGHS
This is so shit!
941
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:25,320
The caps of the tops of, erm,
flosses - you know, dental floss -
942
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,440
tend to fit kind of quite nicely,
and it just makes you think,
943
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,520
"What would, like, the American
equivalent have?"
944
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,560
Some kind of amazing piece of tech.
945
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,280
So look at this!
946
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:39,800
Isn't that amazing?
947
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,880
Matt has a partner in this
organisation
948
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,800
called Emil Kirkegaard,
949
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:04,200
who is one of the most well-known
race scientists operating today.
950
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:05,760
He's very controversial.
951
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,560
He's expressed himself in very
extreme terms
952
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,320
on a number of topics.
953
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,520
Against homosexuality
and, of course, race.
954
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,360
No mainstream academic papers will
take stuff that he's written.
955
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:43,320
When Matt said that Emil had gotten
the money from Lynn,
956
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,640
that was probably the biggest step
forward in this investigation
957
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,720
since we started.
958
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:55,120
That meant that some form of
the Pioneer Fund was still running.
959
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:57,840
Hey.
960
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:58,880
SIGHS
961
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,080
Hey. How, was it?
962
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,600
It was fascinating.
963
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,960
He said it's registered in, erm,
964
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,560
in a state that allows
for some privacy.
965
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:15,160
Here's something interesting -
so he's hired, like, a director of
966
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,880
operations, a guy called Erik,
967
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,720
some AfD guy. Based in Germany.
968
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:25,120
Interesting. Why in Germany?
969
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,240
He loves Germany. A bit ominously,
970
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,760
he thinks that they're
the great white hope for Europe.
971
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,160
There are lots of far-right
activists coming back onto Twitter.
972
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,000
I'm back on Twitter.
I'm back on X, yeah?
973
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,280
But Tommy comes back
and he comes back with a bang.
974
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,840
With grooming, we forced them to
bring it...
975
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,360
We brought it to the forefront.
We shifted the Overton window.
976
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,640
We made it acceptable
for politicians to talk about it.
977
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,400
Within two weeks
of being back online,
978
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,920
he was personally telling people
to be out on the streets.
979
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,080
CROWD: โช Oh, Tommy, Tommy!
980
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,280
โช Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
Tommy Robinson!
981
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,360
The only time our government
and our police will decide
982
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,840
to do something is when they see
a resistance.
983
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,960
An uncontrollable amass of men.
984
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,680
SHOUTING
985
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,480
This is fucking England!
986
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,760
Then the Attorney General said
that they were actually
987
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,280
going to initiate criminal
proceedings
988
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:40,840
against Tommy Robinson.
989
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,960
You know, you think you've done
a great job
990
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,560
but there's always
a chance that it might not happen.
991
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,680
So two days before he was meant
to appear in court again,
992
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,480
Robinson organised
a massive demo in London.
993
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:02,840
In front of as many as 40,000
people, he screened the film again.
994
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,040
This is the exact same documentary
in which he makes
995
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,520
the libellous claims against
the young man
996
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,240
which he was
explicitly told not to do.
997
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,080
Now you can take me to court!
998
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:19,400
By this point, the documentary has
15 million views online.
999
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,720
If you send me to jail,
1000
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,600
it says more about
the court than it does about me.
1001
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,000
Oh, God, it's so horrible.
1002
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,040
NEWSREADER: A wave of unrest
started after an attack
1003
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,040
at a Taylor Swift dance class
in Southport.
1004
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,160
Three young girls were killed.
1005
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,320
The suspect behind yesterday's
attack isn't known
1006
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:17,040
to be Muslim, but a connection
was drawn nonetheless.
1007
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,720
This violence fuelled by
racist misinformation.
1008
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,200
Oh, Jesus.
1009
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,400
There's real people inside
these buildings.
1010
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,040
A lot of false information was
spread about whether
1011
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,160
the attacker was an asylum seeker
1012
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,760
or him having recently arrived
on a small boat.
1013
01:08:50,440 --> 01:08:53,360
You've allowed people into our towns
and cities that are raping their way
1014
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:57,440
though our towns. They are murdering
our kids left, right and centre.
1015
01:08:57,480 --> 01:09:02,360
Women are being raped daily across
every city in our country
1016
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,720
from the fuckers that you've
brought in.
1017
01:09:09,480 --> 01:09:13,320
It's not just the lie, it's whether
people believe the lie that matters.
1018
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:17,800
People are exposed to these tropes
and stereotypes everywhere,
1019
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,040
whether that's through social
media algorithms, through
1020
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:25,200
the media or through mainstream
political discussion.
1021
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,200
It kind of nestles its way
into your brain
1022
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,280
and you might be more primed
to believe that it's true.
1023
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,600
Let me get the screenshots.
1024
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:39,480
What was shared with me is all
of these screenshots.
1025
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,960
"Spread as far and wide as you can."
"No more immigration."
1026
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,160
And then random immigration clinics,
and they just
1027
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,880
want to attack whoever they've
heard of in their local area.
1028
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,800
There's a group that are posting
all of it.
1029
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,640
I think the research team
are getting close
1030
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,720
to finding out who actually that is.
1031
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,920
I definitely just want to ring
all of these people up.
1032
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:00,760
Basically just get contact details
for them
1033
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,200
so that we can follow up afterwards.
Is there a timeframe?
1034
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:05,720
Wednesday night, 8pm. Yeah.
1035
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,040
So, obviously, as well,
we should be telling people
1036
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,120
to close their offices, really.
This goes beyond concern.
1037
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,480
This goes beyond showing up to
a random demonstration.
1038
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,280
This is you actually wanting
to hurt people. Yeah.
1039
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,600
I think our immediate focus this
week is literally protect lives.
1040
01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:24,080
That is so scary.
1041
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,040
We obviously have
to look at this stuff,
1042
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,680
we have to know what they're up to.
But in and amongst this,
1043
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:34,240
like when I'm scrolling down my
feed, it's... It's everywhere.
1044
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:38,800
It's like... It's black, brown and
Muslim people getting beaten up.
1045
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,640
Yeah. Kicked in the head.
1046
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,680
I guess that's why we do it.
1047
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,280
Doesn't make it easy, though.
1048
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,600
And it's just everywhere. Yeah.
1049
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,400
Hello. Afternoon, Georgie.
1050
01:10:56,440 --> 01:10:58,280
I just wanted Joe really
to start with
1051
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,280
a kind of summary
of what's happened.
1052
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:05,120
I'm pretty certain this is the worst
wave of far-right violence
1053
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,200
we've probably seen in
the post-war period.
1054
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,080
It's pretty unprecedented
what we're seeing here,
1055
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,520
so obviously we're struggling
just to keep on top of it.
1056
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:15,720
We did put out a request for help
and information on social media
1057
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,480
so people will be sending in
pictures and videos etc.
1058
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,240
Please do pass them on.
1059
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,280
Our objective is gonna be here to...
We want everyone...
1060
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,160
We want everyone who threw
a brick at a mosque,
1061
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,360
we want everyone who tried
to burn asylum centres,
1062
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,200
we want every one of them.
I want to know who they are.
1063
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:33,120
We are gonna make them
face justice.
1064
01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:39,160
A threat was made against Nick
that says,
1065
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,560
"If anyone wants to go down in a
blaze of glory,
1066
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,320
"take this man with you."
1067
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,880
And then, all caps,
"Death to Nick Lowles."
1068
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,520
"Any man who takes his life will
be a hero to the cause."
1069
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,880
This country is at a crossroads.
1070
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,440
I mean, and it is not an
exaggeration to say that.
1071
01:12:01,480 --> 01:12:04,320
And I think we've really got
to be clear with people -
1072
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,960
that's the future for Britain.
They want civil war.
1073
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,160
And if we don't want civil war, then
we need to do something about it.
1074
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,760
What really clarified everything...
1075
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,040
Hello, hello.
1076
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:25,280
..was this zoom call with Matt
and Emil Kirkegaard.
1077
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,320
So there we go. Greetings.
1078
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,800
Emil was particularly excited
to share some of
1079
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:34,200
the projects that his race science
team were putting together
1080
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,080
or had recently published.
1081
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,080
Well, of course,
there's a lot of focus on genomics,
1082
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,600
but not all of it is genomics.
1083
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,200
Something that's obvious when anyone
reads Twitter is that wokeness
1084
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:44,760
and mental illness are related.
1085
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,560
Things that claim to show
a link between wokeness
1086
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,520
and mental illness,
honesty and races,
1087
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,640
white people being more honest
than black people.
1088
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,840
And even the stuff like how
IQ is linked to penis size.
1089
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:02,560
We did a study of race differences
in sexuality
1090
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,880
and it's, of course, something that
many people are interested in
1091
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:07,560
but it's very difficult to study.
1092
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:12,720
He is obsessed with the sexual drive
1093
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,320
of different groups of people.
1094
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,360
Having a high sexual drive
is connected
1095
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:22,960
to sort of being
uncivilised, brutish.
1096
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,760
And having a controlled sexual drive
1097
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:30,120
and one that is normative is
considered intelligent
1098
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,840
and being connected
to being mentally healthy.
1099
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,080
But it turns out there is
a group of people
1100
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,800
in the world who are experts in
race differences and sexuality,
1101
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,920
and these people are hookers
who have clients of all sorts
1102
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,720
of people. So we did a large
survey of hookers online,
1103
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,160
and asked them all about all sorts
of race differences.
1104
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,480
Like, of course, we include the
standard stuff
1105
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:51,880
like who has a bigger penis.
1106
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:56,160
But also, like, who's...
who was more into, erm,
1107
01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:00,880
buttocks versus the boobs and who
cums easily... Their life history.
1108
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:02,480
Yeah, basically, life history.
1109
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,680
They believe this stuff.
They really care about it.
1110
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:06,640
They want you to believe it, too.
1111
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:10,000
They get laughed at all the time
by people saying, like,
1112
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,800
"You're crazy, you're an idiot."
1113
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,120
So to have someone listen
to them and say,
1114
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,120
"Oh, that sounds really good.
That's really cool."
1115
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,520
You know, "Do more of that."
That's what they want to hear.
1116
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,120
So Emil's just going to go over.
1117
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:22,640
The call is about Aporia.
1118
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:24,120
It would be a very brief thing
1119
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,960
because, you know, we've had dinner.
We've spoken about this.
1120
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,120
But it's just one leg
of this new operation.
1121
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:33,440
So he'll go over to
the main structure.
1122
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:36,640
That's OK. Yeah. We can, we can...
1123
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,880
We can do it after,
that's all right.
1124
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:43,040
It was enormously exciting to see
these slide shows come at us
1125
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,880
with the inner workings
of this very secretive company.
1126
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,800
Just on a note from me, I'm in, yep.
1127
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,160
I'm ready and excited,
1128
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,560
and we can talk about
specific numbers.
1129
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,160
They more or less go through
1130
01:14:56,200 --> 01:15:01,600
the organisational structure
where HDF is at the top,
1131
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,800
the Human Diversity Foundation.
1132
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:09,120
So we only have one company that has
essentially two divisions,
1133
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:10,840
research and media.
1134
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,800
The Human Diversity Foundation, HDF,
1135
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,560
which is the umbrella
and it has two arms.
1136
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,040
Matt does Aporia,
1137
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:19,720
the marketing wing.
1138
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,520
The outwards-facing popular outlet.
1139
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,120
And then the other
1140
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:26,720
is a research operation.
1141
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,920
Run by Emil.
1142
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:30,960
On the research side,
that's essentially what
1143
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,120
I'm running.
I'm the head of research.
1144
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,720
A network that funds researchers
1145
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:41,000
and directs their research
into race-sciencey topics.
1146
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,720
In terms of the funding, in July,
1147
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,960
we raised another 900K
from the same guy,
1148
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,040
making a total...
1149
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:54,200
..from the early starts of getting
funding from that guy,
1150
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:58,440
the total will be one point...
1.3, I think.
1151
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:01,120
1.3, 1.4 million. US.
1152
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,640
We heard this figure
of $1.3 million,
1153
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,520
and that there had been multiple
1154
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:10,000
funding rounds with this
one investor.
1155
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:15,760
Does your funder...
Are they ideologically aligned?
1156
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,400
I just want to know that, er,
that he isn't
1157
01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:22,080
going to get scared if there's some
adverse publicity in the future.
1158
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,440
I would say he's secure
in terms of ideology.
1159
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:26,480
I don't know what specifically
politics he's into,
1160
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,320
but he hates woke stuff. OK.
1161
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,560
I would guess he's a kind of
a fairly typical,
1162
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,360
somewhere between, you know,
white nationalist and libertarian.
1163
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:38,760
OK. This guy is so well off that it
doesn't really matter what they say
1164
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,280
to him. OK.
It doesn't matter.
1165
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,280
He's in the... I don't know how
many digits of millions.
1166
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:48,000
We'd taken a big gamble in
Chris pretending to be
1167
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:50,240
a wealthy investor,
but we had done it with
1168
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,840
the hope that something exactly
like this would happen,
1169
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,280
that there would be PDFs
and slide decks
1170
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:57,360
with secret details coming at us.
1171
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,800
And now here we had evidence
about what Aporia
1172
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:04,200
and the wider HDF organisation
was up to.
1173
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,360
Come on in.
1174
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,360
How's it going? How's it going?
1175
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,400
Good. Just got here.
Just getting ready.
1176
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,320
What, erm... How are you feeling?
1177
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:52,000
Yeah. Excited. It's kind of, erm...
1178
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:58,440
It's...it's weird just being here
for two words, just a name.
1179
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:02,200
Exactly. But that's all we need.
Yeah. Who's the funder?
1180
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,720
$1.3 million dollars into
this project.
1181
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,000
You pushed before
and it's been on their lips.
1182
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,560
So, like, it's just about pushing,
saying,
1183
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,520
"I need to know who else is
involved in this project in order
1184
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,880
"to put my money in."
On previous occasions,
1185
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,320
we've been worried about
going too hard
1186
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,640
for fear of being seen as a rat.
1187
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,160
But in Athens,
1188
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,120
about to put in
a load of fictional money,
1189
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:32,360
I feel like we can be
a bit more forceful.
1190
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,600
Naturally, pay for everything.
1191
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:37,760
Like, everywhere. Just pay.
1192
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,280
And if you need more money,
message me.
1193
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:44,560
They're asking rough ETA.
"We're downstairs in the cafe."
1194
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:46,480
Oh, shit.
1195
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:47,680
OK.
1196
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,040
Spare memory card,
1197
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,400
power bank, cable.
1198
01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:53,440
Shit.
1199
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,320
OK. Great. And the camera?
The camera works.
1200
01:18:58,360 --> 01:18:59,560
OK.
1201
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,160
All right.
1202
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,880
OK, see you later.
1203
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:07,280
Good luck. Thanks.
And hide your other phone. Yeah.
1204
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,400
The stakes for going to Athens
felt incredibly high
1205
01:19:12,440 --> 01:19:17,200
because never had I gone to
a meeting undercover
1206
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:21,200
with a goal to extract something
really clear.
1207
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,200
In order to show that
Harry really had all
1208
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:27,320
the money that he said he had,
we hatched a plan
1209
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:30,480
to just show up as if it was
no big thing,
1210
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,040
stay in a nice hotel,
1211
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,680
take them out for
a really expensive dinner.
1212
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,840
Sort of radiate wealth
1213
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:57,520
in a way that will probably convince
them that this guy is the real deal
1214
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:02,480
and make the other funder
willing to share his name.
1215
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,960
Hello. Hi. A table in the name
of Chris at 8:00.
1216
01:20:17,480 --> 01:20:18,960
The response we always get
1217
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,480
in a project like this is that they
will try to downplay.
1218
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,200
They will say that we don't
actually know him that well,
1219
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,440
so pictures of them together
1220
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:30,120
helps shutting those sorts of
responses down.
1221
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:33,160
OK here?
Yes, perfect. Thank you.
1222
01:21:01,480 --> 01:21:04,280
Erik pulls out his phone,
opens Telegram,
1223
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,440
and shows me this video of
an extreme right youth group.
1224
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,920
My camera didn't catch it
but I found their channel later.
1225
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,240
They are right in front of
the window,
1226
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,000
right in the middle of things.
1227
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:09,560
I can get a picture of them,
I think.
1228
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,480
Got an OK one. Not great.
Like, there are, like,
1229
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,560
blinds hanging down on
the side, or, like, curtains.
1230
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:20,120
But I'm gonna
just walk past a window
1231
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,120
and take some pictures
with my phone.
1232
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:18,920
Thank you.
1233
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,000
KNOCKS ON DOOR
1234
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,280
Hey, come on in.
1235
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:59,240
Have I got a story to tell you!
You'll never guess...
1236
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,560
Tell me everything.
You'll never guess who it is.
1237
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:09,440
They only yielded the name after
quite a lot of back and forth.
1238
01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:11,680
I said it was really important
that I know who it was
1239
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:15,040
for business reasons
and they said,
1240
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,960
"Well, we can't tell you." And I
said, "That's not good enough."
1241
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,520
And then Erik said,
"Emil's cool with saying -
1242
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,360
"he told me on the first time
I met him,
1243
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:24,760
"so what if we just called up Emil
1244
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,760
"and asked him if that was OK
with him?"
1245
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:31,400
And I was like, "Yeah," trying to be
as cool about it as possible.
1246
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:32,440
Yeah.
1247
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:45,480
I had this, erm, this, like,
incredibly dry plate
1248
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,080
of fish in front of me,
and I was like,
1249
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:49,360
"I've just got to eat it
1250
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:51,400
"and pretend that it's all just,
like, normal
1251
01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:54,960
"and not, like, hanging
on every word!"
1252
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,200
It was like I had, like,
the mouth of a skeleton
1253
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:58,680
and it's just, like, so dry.
1254
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,960
Anyway, this was all going on.
And then, erm, and they said,
1255
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,320
"Yeah, it's this guy Andrew Conru.
1256
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:07,200
"He's the Adult FriendFinder
founder."
1257
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:10,200
It's a good job.
1258
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:11,880
So we got it!
1259
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:15,360
We had been working towards it
for so long.
1260
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:17,680
To actually get that name.
1261
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,200
That's so unexpected.
We got it.
1262
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,320
Andrew Conru is
a man who made his millions
1263
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:24,520
in the early days of the internet.
1264
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,240
We'd never heard of him before.
1265
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:29,520
We'd never considered him as
a potential investor.
1266
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,320
But now he's funding an organisation
1267
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,520
that spreads extreme ideology
online.
1268
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:39,120
To be able to uncover something
that's that secretive,
1269
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:41,320
that has that much money
behind it...
1270
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:42,360
Wow.
1271
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:47,600
..felt... It felt like the kind of
crowning achievement
1272
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:48,920
of this whole year.
1273
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:51,320
It's a huge relief.
1274
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:55,240
It's terrifying to think that there
are people out there who have
1275
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,120
so much money that they are
basically unaccountable.
1276
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:01,040
We needed that name.
1277
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:16,640
It doesn't get any clearer
than that.
1278
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:20,160
It's perfect.
1279
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:33,360
We want to bring people that fund
these sorts of things
1280
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,320
out of the shadows.
1281
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,640
I think people have the right
to know that there's
1282
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:39,880
so much money going into this
project
1283
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:41,840
and what its ultimate goals are.
1284
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:43,920
Once the information is out there,
1285
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:47,400
it's out of our control exactly
what happens.
1286
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:50,120
I don't know how
the world will react,
1287
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:55,240
but I hope we have shown people how
these organisations can work.
1288
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,160
My time as an undercover journalist
is definitely over.
1289
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:04,880
It will be nice to go back just
to being myself again.
1290
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:23,040
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