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Are we the only people that know? 8 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,360 Yeah. 9 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,080 And so we keep it that way. 10 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:26,000 We are going to have to be kind of super cautious. 11 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,040 The main story is International Race Science Network, 12 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,240 and it brings together sort of intellectual, far-right people. 13 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,600 They have PhDs and they're academics, many of them. 14 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,720 But I don't think that we had anticipated 15 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,800 the kind of things that we would find out. 16 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,200 You should be enormously proud about what you've managed to achieve. 17 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:44,960 But we need to start focusing 18 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,440 a lot of energy on working out which way 19 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:48,680 the rabbit jumps when the story breaks. 20 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,800 Which ones are the physical threats? 21 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,680 Also, how are you going to prepare your family? 22 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,520 How are you going to prepare your friends? 23 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,320 There's lots of these complex emotions that are 24 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,560 going to happen in the next six months. 25 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,640 I believe it's justified, but there are some sort of 26 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,440 conflicted feelings about how I've had to lie to them, 27 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,120 and I'll be betraying them. 28 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,080 So I definitely don't feel like I'm on, like, a moral high horse. 29 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,600 Like, I'm going to be turning around to some people 30 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:19,960 and saying, "My name's not Chris. I'm the person you hate the most." 31 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,520 That's the camera unit. 32 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,040 These are our button options. 33 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,600 One, two, three. That's going to be the fake button. 34 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:15,160 PHONE VIBRATES 35 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,960 He should be here, like, around now. 36 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,880 In this project, I'm the handler running an undercover source. 37 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:25,280 I'm here to make sure he's safe. 38 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,440 It's about prepping him, and the majority is just that - 39 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,080 good prep is what makes someone safe. 40 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:33,120 KNOCK AT DOOR 41 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:36,600 Hey. Morning. 42 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:38,280 How are you doing? Good to see you. 43 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,480 So I'll show you the kit. 44 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,360 I've got two memory cards. 32GB. 45 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,360 OK, so all you have to do is just turn it on. 46 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,760 Wait till it starts recording. 47 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,080 Yeah. Three batteries. 48 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,480 The bigger one makes it a bit heavier. That should be six hours. 49 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,200 So that would be enough for Saturday. 50 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,160 When you learn how to do it, you can do it quite quickly. 51 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:02,320 Yeah. 52 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:03,600 Great. 53 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:06,360 I'm a journalist that's very interested in the far-right, 54 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,400 and before starting on this project, 55 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,000 I was doing a few different undercover hits here and there. 56 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,280 I've not used a hidden camera, 57 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,880 and this weekend I'll be wearing one for the first time. 58 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:19,840 If you're not in a position to switch, don't do it. 59 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:20,960 We get what we get. 60 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,360 I wouldn't be able to do this if I was just going openly as a 61 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,960 journalist. These groups are very sensitive to infiltration and media. 62 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,680 Does it come in other colours? 63 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,240 Yeah, it's Uniqlo. Comes in, like, 500 colours. 64 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,360 And then when you screw that button on there... 65 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,400 Last week, someone was talking about wanting 66 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,440 to gun down immigrants in the Channel. 67 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,640 There are moments when someone will say something about wanting 68 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,320 to murder Jews or immigrants, 69 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,680 or they think the Holocaust is a fiction, 70 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,880 and you feel a justification for going about what you're doing. 71 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,480 Right. So that one looks like that. Yeah. 72 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,800 And those will go there. 73 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,080 That looks OK. That's so cool, I've got to stick this on. 74 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,360 Infiltration, going undercover, whatever you want to call it, 75 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,240 is a long-running strategy. 76 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,160 It's been around since after the war, really. 77 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,800 So these groups, they are aware. 78 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,600 Absolutely. No question. It's fine that they know, 79 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,560 as long as they don't know who. 80 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,520 The far-right are dangerous. 81 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,240 Their ideas encourage violence 82 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:28,560 even if they're not explicitly calling for it, 83 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,920 and that's something all of us want to stop. 84 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:33,600 What do we think? 85 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,000 Yeah, that's going to work. Great. 86 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,560 I mean, I think it looks quite good, I must say. 87 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:41,920 As a very, very white guy, 88 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,040 you have access to things and can make use of that. 89 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,880 Be better if it was pointing a bit more up. 90 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,560 You see, like, it's never going to be perfect. 91 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,600 You're going to get a lot of sort of half faces of people. 92 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,000 It's just how it is. Just be casual with the camera. 93 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,640 Try to forget about it, actually. 94 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,080 It's going to be fine. 95 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,800 Infiltration is still really important. 96 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,600 The more information we have, the more we know what we're dealing 97 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,600 with. And ultimately, and that's our core mission, 98 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,960 the more that we can stop hate. 99 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,240 We look at the communities who are susceptible to 100 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:23,320 the far-right and then the issues and policies that give rise to them. 101 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:24,960 It's a mixture of keeping people safe 102 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,360 and also understanding, you know, 103 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,440 what gives the far-right their power. 104 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,240 Our researchers might be following a paper trail online. 105 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:35,480 They might be looking at some 106 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,120 of these quite intense social networks. 107 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,240 And then, on another day, undercover in some of 108 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:42,920 the biggest fascist groups in Europe. 109 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,280 The far-right aren't like many other groups. 110 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,680 The far-right often present one image to the world 111 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,920 and what they're saying when they think no-one's listening is 112 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,240 different, it's often more extreme. And so for us, if we really 113 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:55,080 want to understand what they're planning, 114 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,400 who they are, who's the most dangerous people, we understand 115 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,040 we have to be in the room when they think no-one's listening. 116 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,640 So the first really big undercover assignment was this conference 117 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,320 in Tallinn, and we knew that 118 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,840 a lot of British people would be going. 119 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,480 It's one of the biggest dates in the far-right calendar. 120 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,360 This conference connects 121 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,160 alt-right people from across Europe and the US. 122 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,800 And there was a good chance that a lot of 123 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:51,440 the big players would go there. 124 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:58,080 We are interested in the context - who's coming? Who's funding this? 125 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,760 Because that's really why these conferences happen. 126 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,560 They're about networking. 127 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,400 So I'm here to get a sort of lay of the land. 128 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,120 Opposite their hotel, there's another hotel that overlooks 129 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,320 the small alleyway where the entrance is. 130 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,640 This is all right. 131 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:44,960 Yeah. 132 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,760 It is very exciting going undercover. 133 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,440 It's also...crazy. 134 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,760 You're briefly becoming a different person. 135 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,360 There are a number of rules you have to follow when going undercover. 136 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,680 You need to know your story so you don't misspeak, 137 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,040 so that you are consistent. 138 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:36,040 Chris, the person I'm pretending to be, is from rural Cambridgeshire. 139 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,840 Don't come across as too curious. 140 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,480 You have to be patient, let it come to you. 141 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,720 He is a strategy consultant specialising in support function 142 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,600 optimisation, which is something 143 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,120 so tedious that it hopefully does not elicit 144 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,600 a second or third question. 145 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,440 CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS 146 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,120 We try to challenge the idea that fascists 147 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,240 and Nazis all wave swastika flags 148 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,800 and throw Hitler salutes. 149 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,720 They do that too, that happens, 150 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,840 but it doesn't always look like that. 151 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:22,880 Morning. 152 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,720 APPLAUSE 153 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,280 Here we are. How are things going? 154 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:24,440 Good. 155 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:34,080 Ryan? Yeah, I know exactly who this is. He's interesting. 156 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:35,840 But we'll debrief after. Yeah. OK. Yeah, yeah. 157 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,840 You've been away too long. OK. 158 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,560 I had an attack of chronic diarrhoea or something like that. 159 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,880 HE LAUGHS You had a really bad one. 160 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,240 He talked to a really important figure now, that I didn't know was 161 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,880 going to be here, but I know quite a lot about. 162 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,520 He's involved in a podcast called The Absolute State Of Britain, 163 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:08,760 which is one of the more extreme British podcasts. 164 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,560 It's very Nazi, very anti-Semitic. 165 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,600 Harry stayed calm. He made connections. 166 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:11,520 People spoke to him and volunteered information. 167 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:53,440 The point of today is to celebrate 168 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,160 the campaign against fascism. 169 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,760 Extreme right-wing ideas has moved into the mainstream. 170 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,120 I was born in Isleworth, Hounslow. 171 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:07,280 My mother is Mauritian, so she came to Britain in 1961. 172 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:13,000 I remember, as a kid, her being on the end of racist abuse. 173 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,840 I remember walking down the street with her once when some bloke came 174 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,040 up and started screaming at her. 175 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,080 I mean, I don't look mixed heritage, 176 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,280 but I go dark quite quickly in the sun. 177 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,600 So when we used to go on holidays as a kid, 178 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,560 I used to sit in a tent. I wouldn't go out in the sun. 179 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,960 We want to tell you about a new party. 180 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,920 I'd pretend to my family I didn't like the sun, 181 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,160 but it wasn't that at all. 182 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,960 It was simply because if I got darker, then I got bullied. 183 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,440 The National Front has grown rapidly. 184 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,640 We need to stop immigration 185 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:50,680 and give Britain back to the British people. 186 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,200 You know, I look back on it with some kind of shame in a way 187 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,440 that, you know, I hid. I hid from racists. 188 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,400 Millions see parts of this already overcrowded country 189 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,320 being taken over by people 190 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,000 with an entirely foreign way of life. 191 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,040 We intend that it shall be stopped. 192 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,920 I remember the National Front Party political broadcast, 193 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,680 and I remember being really horrified 194 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,280 because in it they said that their policy was 195 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,120 to send people home within six months. 196 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,160 People who weren't born in Britain, they'd send them home within 197 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,080 six months. And I was petrified that my mum was about 198 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,760 to get picked up and sent home. 199 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,480 That shaped the person I am. 200 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,400 I only ever wanted to do one thing, and that was fight fascism. 201 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,480 A lot of this archive was collected by anti-fascists, 202 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,360 that were active, kind of obviously well before I was even born. 203 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,040 And so we've got stuff like 204 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,600 lots of the original union movement 205 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,880 and British Union of Fascist membership cards. 206 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,080 We've even got, like, the British Union of Fascist ledgers of members 207 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,120 and who was who, and all that sort of stuff. 208 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,000 So, like, who's paid their dues and all that sort of thing. 209 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,760 These were kind of the armbands that they would wear at their meetings. 210 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,480 These are really racist stickers, 211 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,080 and these were from a group called the British Movement, 212 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,920 a neo-Nazi group in the postwar period. 213 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,760 And this is the thing about this archive, right, there's all these 214 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,080 horrifying artefacts themselves, but in-between the shelves are 215 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,480 the stories of anti-fascists who went out and, in some senses, 216 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,120 risked their lives to make sure that what 217 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,240 the far-right were up to over the last 100 years 218 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,280 people found out about, and we could try and stop. 219 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,920 1923. You see the emergence of a group in the UK 220 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,640 called the British Fascisti. 221 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,240 And that very first meeting was disrupted by anti-fascists. 222 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:46,480 This is before the Holocaust. 223 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,800 This is before the Nazis were in power in Germany. 224 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,880 Italy has only just fallen to Mussolini. 225 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,760 A group of people that realised instantly 226 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,800 the danger that fascism posed, and mobilised against it. 227 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,360 And so it's the 100th anniversary of kind of 228 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,120 the birth of the movement that, I think, that 229 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,480 we feel that Hope Not Hate is still a part of, you know? 230 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,600 This is from July 1937. Action, which was the newspaper 231 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,120 of Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists, 232 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,280 and it's about the Battle of Cable Street from 1936 233 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,040 where the anti-fascists stopped the Mosley's marchers. 234 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,360 And so, yeah, I mean, 235 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,840 I'm unbelievably proud to be part of that movement. 236 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,480 Information is power. 237 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,600 We would not have stopped the plot to kill Rosie Cooper, 238 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,640 the MP, if it wasn't for a person being inside 239 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,400 the room reporting information. 240 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,400 NEWS REPORTER: Jack Renshaw planned to kill the Labour MP 241 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,600 and threatened to kill a police officer. 242 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,720 In World War II, we took the wrong side. 243 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,400 We should have been fighting the communists. 244 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,800 The plan was exposed because there was a member inside 245 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,000 the group who was working undercover 246 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,120 for the anti-racism organisation Hope Not Hate. 247 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,040 I was to be murdered to send a message to the state, 248 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,880 to send a message to this place. 249 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:23,320 Our freedoms, our way of life, our democracy is under threat. 250 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,640 It's our role to look at 251 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,280 the whole spectrum of what we mean by radical right, 252 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,960 far-right, fascist. But also to be really clear 253 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,560 about the differences between those groups. 254 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,680 Right now, it's a very febrile moment. 255 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,400 We've come off the back of a pandemic. 256 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,240 We've got a cost of living crisis here - 257 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,080 people can't afford to heat their homes 258 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:45,840 and feed their children. And when people are angry, 259 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,320 and in many cases right to be angry, 260 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:49,360 but they're angry and they're scared, 261 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,160 the far-right know that that's their moment. 262 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:03,600 What marks these events out is their focus on intellectualism. 263 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,560 They often term these things race science, 264 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,160 but that's a terrible term. 265 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:14,600 It's racism masquerading as science in order to sound more legitimate. 266 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,080 PHONE PINGS 267 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:17,880 OK, Harry is on his way. 268 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:20,880 Hello! Hey. 269 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,880 How are you doing? OK. 270 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,480 We met a guy called Matt, a Brit. 271 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,120 He runs a Substack called, er, Af... 272 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,080 No, not Amphora... 273 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:44,080 Aporia. It's a HBD for human biodiversity Substack. 274 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:50,520 The words banded about are terms like HBD or human biodiversity, 275 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,560 evolutionary psychology, 276 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,840 race realism. 277 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,800 All of these terms mean a similar thing, 278 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:03,200 that there are inherent differences between the races, 279 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,360 especially when it comes to intelligence. 280 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,680 The result of that is the idea that some 281 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:15,480 groups of people are genetically superior to others. 282 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,480 Is it this guy, then? 283 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,000 Yeah, that's him. Matt. 284 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:23,400 No, I don't know him. 285 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,800 It's quite a different crowd from the people you met last time. 286 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,120 Matt Archer. Here we go. 287 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,000 What's his background, this Matt? 288 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,920 His backpack said something like "Kensington". 289 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,240 So, Londoner. Mm-hm. 290 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:37,560 We met a lot of people at Tallinn, 291 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,320 but by far the most fascinating was Matt. 292 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:43,240 He seemed to be very connected. He spoke to everyone 293 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,280 and people had a lot of respect for him. 294 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,080 Cambridge-educated, very well-spoken, well put together. 295 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:53,440 He says that he's got a Silicon Valley investor 296 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,400 that has given him money to make this into a proper project. 297 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,320 Matt said that it wasn't a household name, 298 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:06,120 but was one of the wealthiest people in the American tech scene. 299 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,240 This is so much to work on. There's so many threads to pick up here. 300 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,480 Yeah. Especially the money stuff. 301 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:18,640 A rumour that we had heard at this weekend in Tallinn was that 302 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,880 Aporia might have had some type of connection 303 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,840 to this thing called the Pioneer Fund. 304 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,480 Yeah, exactly. And what's this Pioneer Fund? Have you heard of it? 305 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:27,560 Mm. 306 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,160 The Pioneer Fund is one of the 307 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,160 oldest race science funding organisations 308 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,520 in the world. But everyone thinks it's defunct. 309 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,440 See what you can find about it. Like, ask. 310 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,480 The Pioneer Fund had been set up by 311 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:07,080 Americans who were interested in advancing research into eugenics. 312 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:11,200 It's inspired by Nazi Germany 313 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,520 and there were collaborations with the Nazi regime. 314 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,000 The Pioneer Fund promoted 315 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:21,120 and screened actual Nazi propaganda films in the US in the late '30s. 316 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,480 What the Pioneer Fund argued 317 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,120 at the time is that certain groups of people are exploiting 318 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:43,200 the state and are getting benefits and care that they don't deserve. 319 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,240 Films focused on people with disabilities 320 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,960 and argued for their removal from the race. 321 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,200 It was the first time that we 322 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,440 realised there was something potentially very dark 323 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,640 and frightening, because Matt was describing connections 324 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,840 to money and power. 325 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,240 We see the far-right across the class spectrum, 326 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,840 the most well-known being street-level groups. 327 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,200 British and proud! 328 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,320 Child murderer! You make me sick! 329 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:40,840 CHANTING: Send them home! Send them home! 330 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:46,920 We are here because our country is being invaded 331 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,240 and enough is enough! 332 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,560 THEY CHEER 333 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,440 In order to gain their following, 334 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,280 they're very often using real concerns that people have 335 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,080 and twisting them into their much more extreme narrative. 336 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:07,480 But they're coming here and posing a threat to our girls. 337 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,240 It's a very common feature of the demos that people will name 338 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,360 victims or name incidents, but it's really difficult 339 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,280 to guarantee whether those things ever happened. 340 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,440 He spent two hours in a taxi 341 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,440 searching for a hotel to rape her in. 342 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,040 It goes from local residents being concerned about 343 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:30,680 a local issue to far-right ideology and eventually far-right activism. 344 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:35,960 Let's replace these traitorous politicians 345 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,080 before they replace us. 346 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:46,800 When you're from a white working class community, 347 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,440 you can see how people can be lied to 348 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,080 and exploited for political means. 349 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:55,760 I deeply care about where I'm from and I care about communities 350 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,680 that I feel like are being exploited, 351 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,880 because I think what those far-right groups are advocating for 352 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,400 won't help people in those communities. 353 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,440 They're not going to tackle the cost of living 354 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,920 by scapegoating asylum seekers. 355 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,640 We will not be replaced! 356 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,720 So, on the Aporia website, 357 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,680 there is a mention of human biodiversity. 358 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,360 HBD, kind of faux scientific term. 359 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,680 It's a shorthand to describe their world view. 360 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,880 A few different headlines here. "An HBD manifesto." 361 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,880 "Can nations have IQs?" 362 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,480 "Why are white people more honest?" 363 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,920 "Why talk about race differences?" 364 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,040 "The time for noble lies and cautious caveats is past. 365 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,280 "Race differences in intelligence are recalcitrant facts 366 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,680 "with pervasive ramifications." 367 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,440 This is a classic framing 368 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,280 because race scientists put forward that they are just 369 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:04,680 the pursuers of truth. 370 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,800 It might not be what everyone wants to hear, 371 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,080 but that's just the way it is. 372 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:11,560 Matt wants to try and, as he described it, 373 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,360 move the Overton window on race science. 374 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,240 The Overton window - it's a concept that says there's this window 375 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,960 of ideas the public is willing to accept. 376 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:26,880 And the far-right know that what they're advocating is unpalatable 377 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,480 to the majority of people. 378 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,640 And the theory goes that if you 379 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,080 want to change what people think of as acceptable, 380 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:33,440 you shouldn't start here. 381 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,520 You should start here, at the extreme. 382 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,480 Because forcing people to consider an unthinkable idea, 383 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,800 even if they reject it, 384 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,120 makes all less radical ideas seem more acceptable by comparison. 385 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,680 It shifts the window in that direction. 386 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,200 And so if they can get their ideas mentioned 387 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,800 in the mainstream, then they can eventually get 388 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,080 to the ultimate goal of a white-only ethno state. 389 00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:59,080 People don't have to accept a ridiculous idea. 390 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:00,880 They just have to get used to it. 391 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:11,320 Between 2016 and '17, I spent the year undercover 392 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:15,400 investigating an intellectual fascist group in London. 393 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,160 They were well-dressed. Many of them had PhDs. 394 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,920 The year culminated in the Charlottesville rally in the US. 395 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,560 The largest gathering of white supremacists in America in a decade. 396 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,440 Charlottesville turned very violent, 397 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,320 and I was obviously with the far-right. 398 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,720 They were asked to disperse. Some are taking on gas masks. 399 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,760 When the far-right demo was over, this car drove down 400 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,280 a side street that I was just turning up on 401 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,000 and ploughed through the counter protest. 402 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,720 SCREAMING 403 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,480 I was maybe three, four or five metres away. 404 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,720 I saw shoes flying in the air and people on the ground, 405 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,280 and it was quite traumatic. 406 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:22,880 The attack left dozens injured and a 32-year-old woman dead. 407 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,000 Through this year, you would sometimes question, 408 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,680 like, how influential are they? 409 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,480 What does it actually do if a bunch of guys sit in 410 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,920 a conference hall and express racist ideas? 411 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,320 Charlottesville clarified that question. 412 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:43,760 When these ideas are taken to their extreme, 413 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,640 this is where it goes. 414 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,720 I had this idea that race science kind of died out in the '90s. 415 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,760 It seems like now there's this new generation who are quite happy 416 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,040 pushing thoroughly debunked science 417 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,520 with a view to achieving a far-right goal. 418 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,160 So Richard Lynn. You know, 419 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,640 one most famous race scientists there's ever been. 420 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,440 The fact that they've been able to get so close to him 421 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,600 is remarkable. 422 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,120 He was the director of the Pioneer Fund. 423 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,240 Lynn said his ambition was to rehabilitate eugenics, 424 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,800 and once argued that poor people should not be encouraged to breed. 425 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:35,160 Can you tell me what makes you the dissident psychologist? 426 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:41,320 I have documented quite large race differences in intelligence 427 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,040 ranging from the most intelligent people 428 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,000 who are the Ashkenazi Jews, 429 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,640 followed by the Northeast Asians from China and Korea 430 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,680 and Japan, then the Europeans, 431 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,600 followed by the North Africans and South Asians, 432 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,320 and then by the Native American Indians 433 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:10,280 and then by the sub-Saharan Africans. 434 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,600 Mainstream scientists have long said Lynn's work is deeply flawed 435 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,160 and deliberately misleading. 436 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,920 This interview suggested to us that there was 437 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,640 a connection there. Richard Lynn, involved in the Pioneer Fund. 438 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,200 Matt rumoured to be financially benefiting from it. 439 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,200 It's not concrete proof. This is a small world, 440 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,600 but it is a connection. 441 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,200 We're going to the High Court today. 442 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,880 Tommy Robinson is appearing. 443 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,200 We provided 247 pages of evidence. 444 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,320 We work to monitor, gather evidence against, and stop all far-right 445 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,800 leaders and influencers in the country. 446 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,960 Oh, Tommy, Tommy! 447 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,880 One of the most significant people we have watched over 448 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,920 the years is Tommy Robinson, 449 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,360 former leader of the English Defence League. 450 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:24,720 How did it go today? 451 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,480 It was just the same as usual attempt at trying 452 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,960 to embarrass me or humiliate me in front of these guys. 453 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,960 I got convicted by a judge, not a jury. 454 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,560 Give me a jury and let them decide whether I told the truth. That's it. 455 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,480 Tommy Robinson is an anti-Muslim, far-right activist. 456 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,480 He started out as a football hooligan 457 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,920 and then he ran the English Defence League. 458 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,560 For the first few months, he hid his identity. 459 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,480 He always wore balaclavas, and no-one quite knew who he was. 460 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,080 But it was our researchers who uncovered his real identity - 461 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,000 Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. 462 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,000 Tommy Robinson, as he's now called, sets a touch paper alight. 463 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,120 โ™ช England till I die 464 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,640 โ™ช I'm England till I die โ™ช 465 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,760 That goes across the country in the years that follow... 466 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,240 Get that fucking camera out my face! 467 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,760 ..and it was violent. 468 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,400 It was extreme. 469 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,880 SHOUTING 470 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,800 It was very, very, very anti-Muslim. 471 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,000 Leicester in 2010. 472 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,760 We had a couple of teams out on the street photographing and videoing. 473 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,520 SIREN WAILS 474 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,480 And that was the first time I'd seen him face-to-face. 475 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,720 You know, it was the first time I saw his eyeballs 476 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,800 and he was an angry man. 477 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,760 The interesting thing that Tommy has done, 478 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,240 he pivoted to becoming a far-right influencer 479 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,640 and, as he calls it, a citizen journalist. 480 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,760 And he was almost one of the first to do it. 481 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,640 He creates video documentaries, but he also does these kind of 482 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,200 confrontational videos where he approaches people 483 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,920 and accuses them of stuff. 484 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,200 You're a paedophile. You're a paedophile. 485 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,160 It's hard to kind of imagine how big he became online. 486 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,520 He was bigger than the Labour Party on Facebook. 487 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,200 He was reaching millions of people around the world. 488 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,640 And he's moved into this free speech space. 489 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,400 Tommy Robinson, thank you very much. 490 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:24,720 And increasingly, 491 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,440 he has a following in the US. 492 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,880 Tommy Robinson, a hero of free speech and of nationalism 493 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,160 and of Christianity and of just basic goodness. 494 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,800 Many American right-wing figures genuinely believe that 495 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,280 Europe is under siege from Islam 496 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,080 and the West is being invaded by people of an alien culture that 497 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,200 are consciously being flooded into Europe to conquer them. 498 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,680 In Finland and Sweden, 499 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,400 Muslims are allowed to rape children. 500 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,880 They see people like Tommy Robinson as these front line soldiers. 501 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,440 That's why they were so supportive of them. 502 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,400 And he got a huge amount of money out of it. 503 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,440 Sadly, hate pays. Right? 504 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,480 Alongside the race science crowd, 505 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,200 I was also meeting with the foot soldiers 506 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,200 of the far-right, groups like Britain First. 507 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,520 Morning, gents. Hiya. Morning, Chris. 508 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,960 Good to see you. Ah, Chris! How are you doing? 509 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,560 You're looking very smart. I like the pinstripes. 510 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,280 Britain First is very different from the race science people. 511 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,720 They are more stereotypically a far-right group. 512 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,280 They're focused on action and they're on the streets. 513 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,640 They try to change people's minds. 514 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,440 They try to gain influence through elections. 515 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,320 The leader of Britain First is Paul Golding. 516 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,800 He has a long history in the far-right in the UK. 517 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,400 However, he presents as this professional politician. 518 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,440 We've had four months of relentless action. 519 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,680 All of our activists out there pounding the streets, 520 00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:19,680 leafletting, canvassing. 521 00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:22,360 I had been with Britain First for a few months now 522 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,160 and was often filmed for their prolific social media content. 523 00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:29,800 Britain First and the race scientists are very different, 524 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,680 but they both believe that Western civilisation is under threat 525 00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:35,440 because of non-white immigration. 526 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,840 Paul Golding has this more moderate image of 527 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,160 a kind of...just to the right of the Tories, 528 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,080 presenting himself as this Churchill-type patriot. 529 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,880 And yet, he and other Britain First members 530 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,280 post extreme messages on social media. 531 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,360 And we wanted to show 532 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,160 the real Britain First, what they actually believe. 533 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,920 What's going on in Britain First... 534 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,880 We were in this village in Essex. 535 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,480 After going to the refugee centre. 536 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,120 And a woman came up to us and said, you know, 537 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,640 "What the hell are you doing?" 538 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,520 "Stop handing out these leaflets." You know, "Leave. Go away." 539 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,480 Paul Golding wanted to leaflet the next village along, 540 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,240 so he drives off in the minibus and we follow in a separate car. 541 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,600 They hate being called racist, 542 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,920 but at the same time believe the immigrants are violent, 543 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,240 fighting-age males. 544 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,520 So, Hope Not Hate are the dirty tricks brigade of 545 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,960 the British establishment. This is Nick Lowles. 546 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,800 Nick Lowles is the main face and the head of the organisation. 547 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,280 We track all far-right figures 548 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,880 so, as well as Britain First, we've been observing 549 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,520 Tommy Robinson since he first came on the scene. 550 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,360 "Lennon Consultancy." 551 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,720 We've worked to get him taken off social media platforms, 552 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,240 we've investigated his finances... 553 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,280 Oh, no, that's Paul Harris, that's one of his other fake names. 554 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,520 ..and we publish reports and stories about him. 555 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,680 It's meant that we have become his number-one enemy. 556 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,440 I started to receive takeaways that I hadn't ordered, 557 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,040 sometimes eight a night - 12, one o'clock in the morning. 558 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,880 Clearly an attempt to harass me from someone who knew my address. 559 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,560 Nick, how many people have you... How many people have you paid? 560 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,160 How many? How many sources have you created to give false information? 561 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,920 I was confronted on the street outside my house. 562 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,040 Your book is full of created sources that you've 563 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,560 created with money, blackmail, drugs. That's not true at all. 564 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,240 By that stage, he knew that I was writing a book about him, 565 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,800 so he was trying to stop me or to try to damage my reputation 566 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,600 so no-one would take anything I wrote seriously. 567 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,000 You paid them. Sure, sure. We've got evidence of it. 568 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,280 You pay them, you blackmail him, 569 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,200 you sexually assault them as an organisation. 570 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,960 But in 2023, Robinson made a huge mistake. 571 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,120 He had already been found liable for defamation, 572 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,280 lying about a young school boy who was a Syrian refugee. 573 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,600 Robinson claimed the boy had been violent towards girls. 574 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,680 He was forbidden by the court to repeat those lines. 575 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:52,800 He did it anyway. 576 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,640 He made a film claiming the court was wrong 577 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,640 and repeated the allegations against a schoolboy. 578 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,280 The film aired online 579 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,480 but Robinson claimed to have had nothing to do 580 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,840 with its release. He said it had been leaked. 581 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,400 So we need to prove that Robinson had been actively part of the 582 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,480 release, and had in fact added new material to the film. 583 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,200 Who knows where I am when you're watching this film now? 584 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,000 The thing about this, right, is the smugness of it while he's hiding. 585 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,280 Problem is that because he's silly enough to put up this sort of 586 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,520 content, it means that we were able to find it out. 587 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,280 So you see the cars there. Cuba. 588 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,720 Well, what we have to then look at is any hotels near 589 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,680 a main road here, and he's on the sea. 590 00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:54,880 And then if you can see here, there's this spiral staircase. 591 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,280 And my colleague then spends hundreds of hours until he can find 592 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,520 a picture that showed us that staircase, 593 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,320 and then we could ring up the hotel. 594 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:08,680 In April. 595 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,960 So we think he made that clip in April 2023. 596 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,720 The court will have to decide if he breached the injunction. 597 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,960 And you've got the power bank cable. 598 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,120 But we don't really know how many will turn up. 599 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,520 Stay in touch and figure out 600 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,600 if there is a possibility of meeting up. 601 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:39,920 See you in a bit. 602 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,200 Some of the senior figures of Britain First were talking about 603 00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:52,160 going to Poland, going on this big march. 604 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,560 As ever, everything would be filmed 605 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,040 and posted on their gold tick Twitter account. 606 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,240 And that included Paul Golding, the leader, 607 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,080 and Nick Scanlon, their candidate for London Mayor. 608 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,520 The rally is Polish independence 609 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,200 after the Second World War. 610 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:17,400 After ten years of a nationalist government, 611 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,600 this demonstration had grown and grown and grown in size 612 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,520 and become one of the largest far-right demonstrations in Europe. 613 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,400 It attracts a lot of different people. 614 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,920 There are families there with kids, 615 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,040 and others who are there to celebrate independence. 616 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,040 But also extreme far-right groups. 617 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,840 There is a big chunk 618 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,720 of explicitly fascist groups walking through it. 619 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,320 Look on the floor there. You see this? 620 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,280 They're all stood on the gay pride flag 621 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,720 and European Union flag. Yeah. 622 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:51,800 Fucking hell. Look at that. 623 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,920 They're just wiping their feet on the gay pride flag. 624 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,600 As a gay man, it's, erm... 625 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,680 ..complicated to see, 626 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:05,960 but I think you go into this mood where you are just 627 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,680 there to observe. But it is scary. It's scary 628 00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:13,360 because I really believe it could happen here as well. 629 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,080 I see sort of the rise of homophobia 630 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,120 and a lot of transphobia right now as well. 631 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,000 It makes me think about what can happen if we just let these things 632 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,080 fester and let them normalise. 633 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,000 Oh, my fucking God, it's Adolf Hitler. 634 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,480 CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS 635 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,200 God, that's a Jewish person hanging from a lamppost. 636 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,400 Jews get the blame for everything, right? 637 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,920 White supremacists see modern society as failing, as collapsing. 638 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,960 They hate feminism, they hate immigration, 639 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,680 they hate LGBT people, people of colour, 640 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:54,760 and they are all believed to be undermining western society. 641 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,200 But for the most extreme people, Jews are seen as 642 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,400 the kind of all-powerful facilitators, 643 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,240 the masterminds that are encouraging this destruction of white society. 644 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,640 Try and get the group of people in black there with green armbands. 645 00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:22,840 CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS 646 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,600 There's a guy in the middle that has a flag - is that an American flag? 647 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,760 I think it's Patriot Front flag. 648 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,920 American. Patriot Front. 649 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,640 If you look at his gloves, 650 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,440 you can see they've got knuckle-dusters on them. 651 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,040 If you look right at the front there, 652 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,560 the blue flag with the cross in the middle, 653 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:15,960 that's the British movement. 654 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,800 It's a very intolerant demonstration. 655 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,040 Of course, not every person at this march is a Nazi 656 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,440 but they are happy to march alongside them. 657 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,000 Britain First wants to go there to represent the UK 658 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,840 but they also want to make friends and be seen in this big rally. 659 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,000 A lot of patriots from all across Europe coming 660 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,080 for this brilliant event. 661 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,680 Nick, what's your opinion of what you've seen so far? 662 00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:52,160 Fantastic. Never seen anything like it in my life. 663 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,280 True nationalism and patriotism. 664 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,240 Absolutely. If only we could have this in Britain. 665 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,840 FIREWORKS BANG 666 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,160 Harry got a good rapport with Paul Golding 667 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,120 and some of the other members, so he did really well there. 668 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,320 A weird mixture of, like, families and then, like, horrible Nazis. 669 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,240 It was weird. Yeah. 670 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,360 They were talking about how the media always says that it's like 671 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:33,520 a Nazi thing rather than a nationalist patriot thing. 672 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,920 All great pictures! HE LAUGHS 673 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,000 You're looking a bit lost. 674 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,560 I look absolutely vacant. 675 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,120 There's nothing between those ears. 676 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,440 I mean, this one was the creepiest one. 677 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:50,600 Is he looking at you? 678 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,360 Scanlon's looking straight at me. 679 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,960 Yeah. He must not have clocked you, though. 680 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,280 He kept sort of doing this sort of, you know what I mean? 681 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,200 Like sort of patting me on the chest, 682 00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:01,320 right where the camera bit was. 683 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:02,680 LAUGHS 684 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:04,080 He did that a couple of times, 685 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,080 and I was just like, "Fuck, how could he not? 686 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,320 "How could he not feel this great hunk of plastic on my chest?" 687 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,680 But he touched it, I swear. 688 00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:13,920 But it's something to keep in mind with him, though. 689 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,520 But I think that's only when he's drunk. 690 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,600 When... When he's... When he's sober, he's pretty, erm... 691 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,440 He keeps his hands to himself. 692 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,960 LAUGHTER 693 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,840 Do you mind if I zip around? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 694 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,560 Because I might be able to try to... 695 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,040 Yeah. 696 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,560 OK. 697 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,360 I want to find this bit. 698 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,480 Oh, fuck. I hate hearing myself saying this. It's absolutely awful. 699 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,720 You are being something else in order to do the job 700 00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,040 and you don't like that person. 701 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,520 Yeah, I have an idea about myself that's not... It's not horrid. 702 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,280 And then listening to these tapes and playing them, 703 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,840 it's like, "Oh, no wait, I am actually being a total cunt." 704 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,320 It would be odd if you didn't 705 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,280 dislike the person you're having to be. 706 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,280 Yeah, it's just stark hearing it. 707 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,360 He was eyeing up the girls in the bar. 708 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:28,640 Yeah. 709 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,520 Yeah. 710 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,080 LAUGHS 711 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,800 Wow, OK, so you knew that... 712 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:42,920 Yeah, yeah. 713 00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:53,400 Did you hear that? Yeah. 714 00:47:58,840 --> 00:47:59,840 Yeah. 715 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:02,600 Yeah. Oh, fuck. 716 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,680 Yeah, belly of the beast, yeah. 717 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,400 Did you hear that? Yes. 718 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,080 OK. OK. That is very good. 719 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,000 He's a mayoral candidate and we've got at least two, 720 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,960 maybe three bombshell quotes on him. 721 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,600 I don't think this could have gone better, this weekend. 722 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,640 This is the Jewish cemetery of Warsaw. 723 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,920 It's one of the biggest and oldest in Europe. 724 00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:02,440 Part of my family comes from Poland, 725 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,040 they left Poland just before the First World War. 726 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:09,440 Life for Jews in Poland at that time was very difficult. 727 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,280 My great-grandfather was a tailor. 728 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,160 He decided to leave with his young family 729 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,120 to come to London. 730 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,680 Even though we're not culturally or practising Jews, 731 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:24,800 his story looms large in my family. 732 00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:30,720 The family that didn't leave Poland before the Holocaust, 733 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,800 we don't know what happened to them. 734 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,960 They are believed to have been, erm, 735 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,600 deported to Majdanek and gassed there. 736 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,760 So many of the people who I've met in the last year 737 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,120 do have Jews in their sights. 738 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,280 It's very sad and it's maddening that 739 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,280 the same political forces that caused all these deaths 740 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,000 in the 20th century are still alive in some form today. 741 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,440 This stuff never goes away. 742 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,640 The symbols and the flags might alter somewhat. 743 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,480 The meaning behind them doesn't. 744 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,880 I've just come back from Manchester, 745 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,600 where I met officers from the National Crime Agency. 746 00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,800 They informed me that they had recently arrested someone under 747 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,320 the Malicious Communications Act, 748 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,320 and while searching his devices, 749 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,760 they found my name and my home address, 750 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,600 and he was in contact with somebody - they don't know who - 751 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,960 to target me. He's clearly a far-right sympathiser, 752 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,480 a big Tommy Robinson supporter, visits their Telegram 753 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,240 and, you know, social media channels a lot. Britain First supporter, 754 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,240 very anti, kind of, migrants and immigrants. 755 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,600 They kind of reassured me they will prosecute him for plotting 756 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,640 to send me hoax messages or threats or whatever. 757 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,920 My address has never been public. 758 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,920 Yet this bloke knew my address, my postcode, my house number. 759 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,040 You know, a 19-year-old kid in Lancashire. 760 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,800 PHONE RINGS 761 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,280 We found a website. 762 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,120 Someone's put up your phone number and my phone number. 763 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,320 And they put it up with like a little blurb about we were 764 00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,280 the ones that have been going after Tommy, so... 765 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,760 OK, well, I'm sorry to hear that about you, mate. 766 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,640 Yeah, well, and you. 767 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,680 I've got more bad news for you, actually. Right. 768 00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:10,520 He appeared in court just in April this year 769 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,360 after the security service in the USA intercepted 770 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,800 an order for a .38 Calibre Smith and Wesson pistol. 771 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,760 So we came across a court record. 772 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,560 The US security services tipped off the British police. 773 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,120 They intercepted the parcel, took out a real gun, 774 00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,080 put in a fake, 775 00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,520 and then arrested him with the fake. 776 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,320 They didn't mention anything about a gun. 777 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,320 It's really fucked up. I mean... 778 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,960 I appreciate all this, Joe. And let's, erm, 779 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,440 let's catch up tomorrow morning 780 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,640 and just compare notes and everything. 781 00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,640 All right. Stay safe. Let me know when you get home. 782 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,520 All right, mate, take care. All right, mate. Bye-bye. Bye. 783 00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,600 CHUCKLES 784 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:00,640 Oh! 785 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,240 So, well, good news and bad news - 786 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,160 I've found the person that's been sending you the takeaways. 787 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,720 So the date that you got your first takeaway, 788 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,840 we now have a screencap of an order to your house. 789 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,280 Two chilli chicken masalas, one mushroom pilau rice, 790 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:22,600 with your address on it. 791 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,960 It seems that the person that's been ordering the takeaways is now 792 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,000 the same person that bought the gun 793 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,600 and, erm, and has been arrested. 794 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,160 And it seems, again, from the circumstantial evidence that 795 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,280 the individual who has been arrested 796 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,880 is the same person that posted your address and my address. 797 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,600 How have the police not found this? 798 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,360 I can't be certain, but it seems very clear that this guy got 799 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,320 obsessed with Hope Not Hate, got obsessed with you, 800 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,480 harassed you for months, published our addresses, 801 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,520 and then bought a gun from America. 802 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,760 To me, I mean, that's the timeline. 803 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,000 It's very clear there's lots of links to Tommy. 804 00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,720 I'm not saying direct links with Tommy. 805 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,520 The guy kind of pops up in Tommy Robinson's chats loads. 806 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,200 We're mean about Tommy Robinson, he goes and finds out who we are. 807 00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:06,600 The difference here is that they're not just sending us 808 00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,920 horrible messages on social media. He's gone and bought a gun. Right? 809 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:13,320 How are you holding up? 810 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,280 Because your address is up there as well, isn't it? 811 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,240 A little bit shaken by it. 812 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,720 So I came home from work one day and there's, like, 813 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,880 a building site literally ten metres away. 814 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,400 And there was like the black boarding that they put around 815 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,400 the building site, and someone had sprayed in massive letters "rapist" 816 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,960 right out this window, kind of just across the street directly. 817 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,840 And, erm, and obviously Tommy Robinson calls me a rapist. 818 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,800 He calls Nick a paedophile, calls me a rapist. 819 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,920 That's the way he tries to whip up his supporters 820 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,920 to hate us. And, erm, and you don't know. 821 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,640 You never know, right? It's the main road. 822 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,720 So you think, "Well, maybe it's about someone else, right?" 823 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,200 You know, we hope it's about someone else. 824 00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:53,560 Or maybe they would have put my name. 825 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,800 And then it got painted over by the builders. 826 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,480 And then a few days later, it comes back again. 827 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,520 They rewrote it. "Rapists." And, erm... 828 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,800 And you, you know, and you hope it's... Sorry. 829 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,920 And you hope it's just, you know, general graffiti or something. 830 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,240 But you don't know then, do you? You know, it's at night-time 831 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,200 and you think, "Well, someone knows where I live 832 00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:26,560 "and he calls me..." which is the worst that you could be called 833 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,160 in the world, right? And then it's there, you know? 834 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,120 You think, "Shit, maybe someone does know where I live. Maybe..." 835 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:36,520 Sorry. 836 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,640 It's just fucking horrible, you know? 837 00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:43,920 But when they're coming for us, 838 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,000 they're not going for the people they'd normally target, 839 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,360 you know, which is positive. 840 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,480 If you go back to the '20s and '30s, 841 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,040 the cartoons were about Jewish men being a sexual threat 842 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,680 to young women. In the postwar period it was about, 843 00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:58,080 you know, Afro-Caribbean and West Indian 844 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,600 and Indian men being sexual threats 845 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,680 and pimps in West London. And then, you know, 846 00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:06,160 the Muslims are groomers. There's nothing new in that tactic. 847 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,320 The far-right present themselves as the defenders. 848 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,080 They're defenders of women, they're defenders of children. 849 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,960 Of course I am, you know, broadly speaking, a white man. 850 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,400 But I think the people of the far-right probably can just tell 851 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,880 there's something in there. But I don't think anyone's going to guess. 852 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,880 Irish, German, Indian. 853 00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,520 My grandfather, he came over on a boat in 1951. 854 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,680 My mum's mum was German, and she came over as domestic help 855 00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:34,720 straight after the Second World War. 856 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,000 And this German woman and this Indian man fall in love 857 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:42,200 in West London. And a lot of the family disowned her. 858 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,280 What on earth they must have had to go through 859 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:45,760 as that couple in that period. 860 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,960 In some sense, it allows me to be here now, you know. 861 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:53,960 It's like a beautiful kind of post-war love story, 862 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,080 isn't it, really? 863 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,920 Tommy's documentary is only about one young man 864 00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,240 but it feeds into a much wider anti-migrant focus that 865 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,040 the far-right have had over the last few years. 866 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,360 We thought that this was 867 00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,840 a really good chance to hold him to account. 868 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,400 We are outside the Attorney General's office, 869 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,560 where we're delivering an open letter 870 00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,880 and a dossier of evidence which proves that 871 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,160 Tommy Robinson knowingly broke the law. 872 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,640 The evidence is overwhelming. It's now just a case of making sure 873 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,080 the Attorney General's Office see it. 874 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,080 Erm, and then we have to prove that it's in 875 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,120 the public interest. It's over 80 pages. 876 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,160 It will probably take a few months for 877 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,360 the Attorney General to review it, because they are overwhelmed. 878 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,360 It might not look like much 879 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,960 but this is actually a really big moment for us. 880 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,320 Hi, there. We're booked to drop off a petition to Attorney General. 881 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:03,760 We emailed about it. 882 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,400 Thank you so much. 883 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,200 We're done. 884 00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,360 Woo! Woo! 885 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,760 CLAPPING 886 00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,280 Nice. Thanks, everyone. 887 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,640 And it's all done. All done. 888 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,640 Meanwhile, we continued our investigation into Aporia 889 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,720 and who was financing it. 890 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,360 Hello. 891 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,240 Patrik and I had this idea to get close to Matt. 892 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,000 I was going to pretend to be an investor. 893 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:46,280 I approached him saying that 894 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,600 I had recently come into some family money, 895 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,840 I want to put it into something that I believe in. 896 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:55,680 The funding situation for Aporia is, I would say, quite healthy. 897 00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,360 From the moment Harry positioned himself as a donor, 898 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,880 said he had money, things started moving quite quickly. 899 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,800 Money talks, fictional money talks. 900 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,640 We were able to get to meet Matt several times, 901 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,080 his team - online, in person. 902 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,200 Perhaps if it would be good to start with Aporia, 903 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,640 I would be interested to know how you are set up 904 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,200 for funding and if, you know, 905 00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,120 what would you basically be able to do with a bit more in your tank? 906 00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,960 Even back in Tallinn, Matt Archer said 907 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,240 "it's a redpilling operation", which means to radicalise. 908 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,040 Well, we want to be read by the elite, right? 909 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,960 The aspiring elite people that might accidentally end up becoming 910 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,480 the elite because they're so crazy or entrepreneurial 911 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,160 that they make it big. 912 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,280 So it's like we're now a few rungs removed from 913 00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,600 the most important people who endorse these messages of, like, 914 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,800 you know, important policy-relevant social science. 915 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,000 Aporia is trying to get important policymakers 916 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,520 and entrepreneurs and billionaires accustomed to 917 00:59:53,560 --> 01:00:00,480 the idea that races have different, discernible levels of intelligence. 918 01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,680 So I see us playing that role as being like, 919 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,960 you pick up this physical end-of-year magazine, 920 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,360 you perhaps go to our site 921 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,360 and you learn something that's relevant for governing as an elite. 922 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,360 When you want to set up a new project, like someone... 923 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,640 like, we've got lots of people, obviously. We've got, like, kind of 924 01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,480 an underground organisation as well going on with research. 925 01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:23,400 Right towards the end of the call, he mentions they also operate 926 01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:28,000 an underground research organisation. 927 01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:33,800 This seemed to us a really exciting tip that we wanted to look into. 928 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,800 So that begged the question, 929 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,120 is this connected to the Pioneer Fund? 930 01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,080 Brilliant. That sounds like a sort of much more rocket-powered version 931 01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,640 of the Pioneer Fund. 932 01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:53,720 Today is a dinner to try and get to know him a bit more, 933 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,920 try and find out who his funders are, 934 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,520 and hear a bit more about what he has planned 935 01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,160 for his organisation. 936 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,720 This camera has a very sensitive stop button, 937 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,520 so if you brush against the stop button, 938 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:16,360 you lose all the footage that you've been working so hard to get. 939 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,440 I found the caps of the top of... 940 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,120 LAUGHS This is so shit! 941 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:25,320 The caps of the tops of, erm, flosses - you know, dental floss - 942 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,440 tend to fit kind of quite nicely, and it just makes you think, 943 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,520 "What would, like, the American equivalent have?" 944 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,560 Some kind of amazing piece of tech. 945 01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,280 So look at this! 946 01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:39,800 Isn't that amazing? 947 01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,880 Matt has a partner in this organisation 948 01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,800 called Emil Kirkegaard, 949 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:04,200 who is one of the most well-known race scientists operating today. 950 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:05,760 He's very controversial. 951 01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,560 He's expressed himself in very extreme terms 952 01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,320 on a number of topics. 953 01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,520 Against homosexuality and, of course, race. 954 01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,360 No mainstream academic papers will take stuff that he's written. 955 01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:43,320 When Matt said that Emil had gotten the money from Lynn, 956 01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,640 that was probably the biggest step forward in this investigation 957 01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,720 since we started. 958 01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:55,120 That meant that some form of the Pioneer Fund was still running. 959 01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:57,840 Hey. 960 01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:58,880 SIGHS 961 01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,080 Hey. How, was it? 962 01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,600 It was fascinating. 963 01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,960 He said it's registered in, erm, 964 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,560 in a state that allows for some privacy. 965 01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:15,160 Here's something interesting - so he's hired, like, a director of 966 01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,880 operations, a guy called Erik, 967 01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,720 some AfD guy. Based in Germany. 968 01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:25,120 Interesting. Why in Germany? 969 01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,240 He loves Germany. A bit ominously, 970 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,760 he thinks that they're the great white hope for Europe. 971 01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,160 There are lots of far-right activists coming back onto Twitter. 972 01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,000 I'm back on Twitter. I'm back on X, yeah? 973 01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,280 But Tommy comes back and he comes back with a bang. 974 01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,840 With grooming, we forced them to bring it... 975 01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,360 We brought it to the forefront. We shifted the Overton window. 976 01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,640 We made it acceptable for politicians to talk about it. 977 01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,400 Within two weeks of being back online, 978 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,920 he was personally telling people to be out on the streets. 979 01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,080 CROWD: โ™ช Oh, Tommy, Tommy! 980 01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,280 โ™ช Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy Robinson! 981 01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,360 The only time our government and our police will decide 982 01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,840 to do something is when they see a resistance. 983 01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,960 An uncontrollable amass of men. 984 01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,680 SHOUTING 985 01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,480 This is fucking England! 986 01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,760 Then the Attorney General said that they were actually 987 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,280 going to initiate criminal proceedings 988 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:40,840 against Tommy Robinson. 989 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,960 You know, you think you've done a great job 990 01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,560 but there's always a chance that it might not happen. 991 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,680 So two days before he was meant to appear in court again, 992 01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,480 Robinson organised a massive demo in London. 993 01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:02,840 In front of as many as 40,000 people, he screened the film again. 994 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,040 This is the exact same documentary in which he makes 995 01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,520 the libellous claims against the young man 996 01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,240 which he was explicitly told not to do. 997 01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,080 Now you can take me to court! 998 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:19,400 By this point, the documentary has 15 million views online. 999 01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,720 If you send me to jail, 1000 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,600 it says more about the court than it does about me. 1001 01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,000 Oh, God, it's so horrible. 1002 01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,040 NEWSREADER: A wave of unrest started after an attack 1003 01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,040 at a Taylor Swift dance class in Southport. 1004 01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,160 Three young girls were killed. 1005 01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,320 The suspect behind yesterday's attack isn't known 1006 01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:17,040 to be Muslim, but a connection was drawn nonetheless. 1007 01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,720 This violence fuelled by racist misinformation. 1008 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,200 Oh, Jesus. 1009 01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,400 There's real people inside these buildings. 1010 01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,040 A lot of false information was spread about whether 1011 01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,160 the attacker was an asylum seeker 1012 01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,760 or him having recently arrived on a small boat. 1013 01:08:50,440 --> 01:08:53,360 You've allowed people into our towns and cities that are raping their way 1014 01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:57,440 though our towns. They are murdering our kids left, right and centre. 1015 01:08:57,480 --> 01:09:02,360 Women are being raped daily across every city in our country 1016 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,720 from the fuckers that you've brought in. 1017 01:09:09,480 --> 01:09:13,320 It's not just the lie, it's whether people believe the lie that matters. 1018 01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:17,800 People are exposed to these tropes and stereotypes everywhere, 1019 01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,040 whether that's through social media algorithms, through 1020 01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:25,200 the media or through mainstream political discussion. 1021 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,200 It kind of nestles its way into your brain 1022 01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,280 and you might be more primed to believe that it's true. 1023 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,600 Let me get the screenshots. 1024 01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:39,480 What was shared with me is all of these screenshots. 1025 01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,960 "Spread as far and wide as you can." "No more immigration." 1026 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,160 And then random immigration clinics, and they just 1027 01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,880 want to attack whoever they've heard of in their local area. 1028 01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,800 There's a group that are posting all of it. 1029 01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,640 I think the research team are getting close 1030 01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,720 to finding out who actually that is. 1031 01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,920 I definitely just want to ring all of these people up. 1032 01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:00,760 Basically just get contact details for them 1033 01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,200 so that we can follow up afterwards. Is there a timeframe? 1034 01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:05,720 Wednesday night, 8pm. Yeah. 1035 01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,040 So, obviously, as well, we should be telling people 1036 01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,120 to close their offices, really. This goes beyond concern. 1037 01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,480 This goes beyond showing up to a random demonstration. 1038 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,280 This is you actually wanting to hurt people. Yeah. 1039 01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,600 I think our immediate focus this week is literally protect lives. 1040 01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:24,080 That is so scary. 1041 01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,040 We obviously have to look at this stuff, 1042 01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,680 we have to know what they're up to. But in and amongst this, 1043 01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:34,240 like when I'm scrolling down my feed, it's... It's everywhere. 1044 01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:38,800 It's like... It's black, brown and Muslim people getting beaten up. 1045 01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,640 Yeah. Kicked in the head. 1046 01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,680 I guess that's why we do it. 1047 01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,280 Doesn't make it easy, though. 1048 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,600 And it's just everywhere. Yeah. 1049 01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,400 Hello. Afternoon, Georgie. 1050 01:10:56,440 --> 01:10:58,280 I just wanted Joe really to start with 1051 01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,280 a kind of summary of what's happened. 1052 01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:05,120 I'm pretty certain this is the worst wave of far-right violence 1053 01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,200 we've probably seen in the post-war period. 1054 01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,080 It's pretty unprecedented what we're seeing here, 1055 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,520 so obviously we're struggling just to keep on top of it. 1056 01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:15,720 We did put out a request for help and information on social media 1057 01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,480 so people will be sending in pictures and videos etc. 1058 01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,240 Please do pass them on. 1059 01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,280 Our objective is gonna be here to... We want everyone... 1060 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,160 We want everyone who threw a brick at a mosque, 1061 01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,360 we want everyone who tried to burn asylum centres, 1062 01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,200 we want every one of them. I want to know who they are. 1063 01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:33,120 We are gonna make them face justice. 1064 01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:39,160 A threat was made against Nick that says, 1065 01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,560 "If anyone wants to go down in a blaze of glory, 1066 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,320 "take this man with you." 1067 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,880 And then, all caps, "Death to Nick Lowles." 1068 01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,520 "Any man who takes his life will be a hero to the cause." 1069 01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,880 This country is at a crossroads. 1070 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,440 I mean, and it is not an exaggeration to say that. 1071 01:12:01,480 --> 01:12:04,320 And I think we've really got to be clear with people - 1072 01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,960 that's the future for Britain. They want civil war. 1073 01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,160 And if we don't want civil war, then we need to do something about it. 1074 01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,760 What really clarified everything... 1075 01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,040 Hello, hello. 1076 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:25,280 ..was this zoom call with Matt and Emil Kirkegaard. 1077 01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,320 So there we go. Greetings. 1078 01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,800 Emil was particularly excited to share some of 1079 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:34,200 the projects that his race science team were putting together 1080 01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,080 or had recently published. 1081 01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,080 Well, of course, there's a lot of focus on genomics, 1082 01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,600 but not all of it is genomics. 1083 01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,200 Something that's obvious when anyone reads Twitter is that wokeness 1084 01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:44,760 and mental illness are related. 1085 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,560 Things that claim to show a link between wokeness 1086 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,520 and mental illness, honesty and races, 1087 01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,640 white people being more honest than black people. 1088 01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,840 And even the stuff like how IQ is linked to penis size. 1089 01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:02,560 We did a study of race differences in sexuality 1090 01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,880 and it's, of course, something that many people are interested in 1091 01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:07,560 but it's very difficult to study. 1092 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:12,720 He is obsessed with the sexual drive 1093 01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,320 of different groups of people. 1094 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,360 Having a high sexual drive is connected 1095 01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:22,960 to sort of being uncivilised, brutish. 1096 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,760 And having a controlled sexual drive 1097 01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:30,120 and one that is normative is considered intelligent 1098 01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,840 and being connected to being mentally healthy. 1099 01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,080 But it turns out there is a group of people 1100 01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,800 in the world who are experts in race differences and sexuality, 1101 01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,920 and these people are hookers who have clients of all sorts 1102 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,720 of people. So we did a large survey of hookers online, 1103 01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,160 and asked them all about all sorts of race differences. 1104 01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,480 Like, of course, we include the standard stuff 1105 01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:51,880 like who has a bigger penis. 1106 01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:56,160 But also, like, who's... who was more into, erm, 1107 01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:00,880 buttocks versus the boobs and who cums easily... Their life history. 1108 01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:02,480 Yeah, basically, life history. 1109 01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,680 They believe this stuff. They really care about it. 1110 01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:06,640 They want you to believe it, too. 1111 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:10,000 They get laughed at all the time by people saying, like, 1112 01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,800 "You're crazy, you're an idiot." 1113 01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,120 So to have someone listen to them and say, 1114 01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,120 "Oh, that sounds really good. That's really cool." 1115 01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,520 You know, "Do more of that." That's what they want to hear. 1116 01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,120 So Emil's just going to go over. 1117 01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:22,640 The call is about Aporia. 1118 01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:24,120 It would be a very brief thing 1119 01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,960 because, you know, we've had dinner. We've spoken about this. 1120 01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,120 But it's just one leg of this new operation. 1121 01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:33,440 So he'll go over to the main structure. 1122 01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:36,640 That's OK. Yeah. We can, we can... 1123 01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,880 We can do it after, that's all right. 1124 01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:43,040 It was enormously exciting to see these slide shows come at us 1125 01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,880 with the inner workings of this very secretive company. 1126 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,800 Just on a note from me, I'm in, yep. 1127 01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,160 I'm ready and excited, 1128 01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,560 and we can talk about specific numbers. 1129 01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,160 They more or less go through 1130 01:14:56,200 --> 01:15:01,600 the organisational structure where HDF is at the top, 1131 01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,800 the Human Diversity Foundation. 1132 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:09,120 So we only have one company that has essentially two divisions, 1133 01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:10,840 research and media. 1134 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,800 The Human Diversity Foundation, HDF, 1135 01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,560 which is the umbrella and it has two arms. 1136 01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,040 Matt does Aporia, 1137 01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:19,720 the marketing wing. 1138 01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,520 The outwards-facing popular outlet. 1139 01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,120 And then the other 1140 01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:26,720 is a research operation. 1141 01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,920 Run by Emil. 1142 01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:30,960 On the research side, that's essentially what 1143 01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,120 I'm running. I'm the head of research. 1144 01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,720 A network that funds researchers 1145 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:41,000 and directs their research into race-sciencey topics. 1146 01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,720 In terms of the funding, in July, 1147 01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,960 we raised another 900K from the same guy, 1148 01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,040 making a total... 1149 01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:54,200 ..from the early starts of getting funding from that guy, 1150 01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:58,440 the total will be one point... 1.3, I think. 1151 01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:01,120 1.3, 1.4 million. US. 1152 01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,640 We heard this figure of $1.3 million, 1153 01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,520 and that there had been multiple 1154 01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:10,000 funding rounds with this one investor. 1155 01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:15,760 Does your funder... Are they ideologically aligned? 1156 01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,400 I just want to know that, er, that he isn't 1157 01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:22,080 going to get scared if there's some adverse publicity in the future. 1158 01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,440 I would say he's secure in terms of ideology. 1159 01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:26,480 I don't know what specifically politics he's into, 1160 01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,320 but he hates woke stuff. OK. 1161 01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,560 I would guess he's a kind of a fairly typical, 1162 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,360 somewhere between, you know, white nationalist and libertarian. 1163 01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:38,760 OK. This guy is so well off that it doesn't really matter what they say 1164 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,280 to him. OK. It doesn't matter. 1165 01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,280 He's in the... I don't know how many digits of millions. 1166 01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:48,000 We'd taken a big gamble in Chris pretending to be 1167 01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:50,240 a wealthy investor, but we had done it with 1168 01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,840 the hope that something exactly like this would happen, 1169 01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,280 that there would be PDFs and slide decks 1170 01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:57,360 with secret details coming at us. 1171 01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,800 And now here we had evidence about what Aporia 1172 01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:04,200 and the wider HDF organisation was up to. 1173 01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,360 Come on in. 1174 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,360 How's it going? How's it going? 1175 01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,400 Good. Just got here. Just getting ready. 1176 01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,320 What, erm... How are you feeling? 1177 01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:52,000 Yeah. Excited. It's kind of, erm... 1178 01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:58,440 It's...it's weird just being here for two words, just a name. 1179 01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:02,200 Exactly. But that's all we need. Yeah. Who's the funder? 1180 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,720 $1.3 million dollars into this project. 1181 01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,000 You pushed before and it's been on their lips. 1182 01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,560 So, like, it's just about pushing, saying, 1183 01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,520 "I need to know who else is involved in this project in order 1184 01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,880 "to put my money in." On previous occasions, 1185 01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,320 we've been worried about going too hard 1186 01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,640 for fear of being seen as a rat. 1187 01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,160 But in Athens, 1188 01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,120 about to put in a load of fictional money, 1189 01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:32,360 I feel like we can be a bit more forceful. 1190 01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,600 Naturally, pay for everything. 1191 01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:37,760 Like, everywhere. Just pay. 1192 01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,280 And if you need more money, message me. 1193 01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:44,560 They're asking rough ETA. "We're downstairs in the cafe." 1194 01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:46,480 Oh, shit. 1195 01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:47,680 OK. 1196 01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,040 Spare memory card, 1197 01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,400 power bank, cable. 1198 01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:53,440 Shit. 1199 01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,320 OK. Great. And the camera? The camera works. 1200 01:18:58,360 --> 01:18:59,560 OK. 1201 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,160 All right. 1202 01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,880 OK, see you later. 1203 01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:07,280 Good luck. Thanks. And hide your other phone. Yeah. 1204 01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,400 The stakes for going to Athens felt incredibly high 1205 01:19:12,440 --> 01:19:17,200 because never had I gone to a meeting undercover 1206 01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:21,200 with a goal to extract something really clear. 1207 01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,200 In order to show that Harry really had all 1208 01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:27,320 the money that he said he had, we hatched a plan 1209 01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:30,480 to just show up as if it was no big thing, 1210 01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,040 stay in a nice hotel, 1211 01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,680 take them out for a really expensive dinner. 1212 01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,840 Sort of radiate wealth 1213 01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:57,520 in a way that will probably convince them that this guy is the real deal 1214 01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:02,480 and make the other funder willing to share his name. 1215 01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,960 Hello. Hi. A table in the name of Chris at 8:00. 1216 01:20:17,480 --> 01:20:18,960 The response we always get 1217 01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,480 in a project like this is that they will try to downplay. 1218 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,200 They will say that we don't actually know him that well, 1219 01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,440 so pictures of them together 1220 01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:30,120 helps shutting those sorts of responses down. 1221 01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:33,160 OK here? Yes, perfect. Thank you. 1222 01:21:01,480 --> 01:21:04,280 Erik pulls out his phone, opens Telegram, 1223 01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,440 and shows me this video of an extreme right youth group. 1224 01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,920 My camera didn't catch it but I found their channel later. 1225 01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,240 They are right in front of the window, 1226 01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,000 right in the middle of things. 1227 01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:09,560 I can get a picture of them, I think. 1228 01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,480 Got an OK one. Not great. Like, there are, like, 1229 01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,560 blinds hanging down on the side, or, like, curtains. 1230 01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:20,120 But I'm gonna just walk past a window 1231 01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,120 and take some pictures with my phone. 1232 01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:18,920 Thank you. 1233 01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,000 KNOCKS ON DOOR 1234 01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,280 Hey, come on in. 1235 01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:59,240 Have I got a story to tell you! You'll never guess... 1236 01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,560 Tell me everything. You'll never guess who it is. 1237 01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:09,440 They only yielded the name after quite a lot of back and forth. 1238 01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:11,680 I said it was really important that I know who it was 1239 01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:15,040 for business reasons and they said, 1240 01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,960 "Well, we can't tell you." And I said, "That's not good enough." 1241 01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,520 And then Erik said, "Emil's cool with saying - 1242 01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,360 "he told me on the first time I met him, 1243 01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:24,760 "so what if we just called up Emil 1244 01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,760 "and asked him if that was OK with him?" 1245 01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:31,400 And I was like, "Yeah," trying to be as cool about it as possible. 1246 01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:32,440 Yeah. 1247 01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:45,480 I had this, erm, this, like, incredibly dry plate 1248 01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,080 of fish in front of me, and I was like, 1249 01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:49,360 "I've just got to eat it 1250 01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:51,400 "and pretend that it's all just, like, normal 1251 01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:54,960 "and not, like, hanging on every word!" 1252 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,200 It was like I had, like, the mouth of a skeleton 1253 01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:58,680 and it's just, like, so dry. 1254 01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,960 Anyway, this was all going on. And then, erm, and they said, 1255 01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,320 "Yeah, it's this guy Andrew Conru. 1256 01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:07,200 "He's the Adult FriendFinder founder." 1257 01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:10,200 It's a good job. 1258 01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:11,880 So we got it! 1259 01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:15,360 We had been working towards it for so long. 1260 01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:17,680 To actually get that name. 1261 01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,200 That's so unexpected. We got it. 1262 01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,320 Andrew Conru is a man who made his millions 1263 01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:24,520 in the early days of the internet. 1264 01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,240 We'd never heard of him before. 1265 01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:29,520 We'd never considered him as a potential investor. 1266 01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,320 But now he's funding an organisation 1267 01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,520 that spreads extreme ideology online. 1268 01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:39,120 To be able to uncover something that's that secretive, 1269 01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:41,320 that has that much money behind it... 1270 01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:42,360 Wow. 1271 01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:47,600 ..felt... It felt like the kind of crowning achievement 1272 01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:48,920 of this whole year. 1273 01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:51,320 It's a huge relief. 1274 01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:55,240 It's terrifying to think that there are people out there who have 1275 01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,120 so much money that they are basically unaccountable. 1276 01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:01,040 We needed that name. 1277 01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:16,640 It doesn't get any clearer than that. 1278 01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:20,160 It's perfect. 1279 01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:33,360 We want to bring people that fund these sorts of things 1280 01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,320 out of the shadows. 1281 01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,640 I think people have the right to know that there's 1282 01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:39,880 so much money going into this project 1283 01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:41,840 and what its ultimate goals are. 1284 01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:43,920 Once the information is out there, 1285 01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:47,400 it's out of our control exactly what happens. 1286 01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:50,120 I don't know how the world will react, 1287 01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:55,240 but I hope we have shown people how these organisations can work. 1288 01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,160 My time as an undercover journalist is definitely over. 1289 01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:04,880 It will be nice to go back just to being myself again. 1290 01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:23,040 Subtitles by Red Bee Media 170953

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