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Yes, hot diggity dog.
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It's 7:00 in Wimberley, Texas.
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Toddy and Pooch are back
the controls here at KWVH.
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Tonight, well, we have
something a little different.
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In our endless search for
get your feet to move,
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and wagging the tail, we have
a very special guest.
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Very special, well,
It doesn't even begin to cover it,
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TRUE?
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Our guest has won
more Grammy Awards
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of which I could tell:
three for Best Album.
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Two-time Hall Member
of Rock and Roll Fame.
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down in the valley
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a talk show
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It appears in front
more than half
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million people
on multiple occasions.
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a cambric shirt
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rosemary and thyme
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From New York,
It's Saturday night!
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With Paul Simon, who is one of the
great performers of all time
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on Saturday night live.
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Once again, Paul Simรณn.
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Once again, Paul Simรณn!
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We will stay at the Pierre and
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we will meet Jack and Angelica
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and have a drink there.
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And if you want to come,
we would love to have you.
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Act in a
winning film
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Oscar for Best Picture.
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It's not a great deal.
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It is simply
relax, be very calm.
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Fresco.
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Do you remember we had that thing?
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What thing?
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And even more important
that all that is
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which is simply
the best composer.
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in music history
American popular.
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We love you, Pablo!
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"I Know What I Know" from "Graceland."
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I can't believe
that I can say this.
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Paul Simon
join us today.
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ยกEh!
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Thanks, Todd.
Thanks, Ben.
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The composers, I mean,
obviously, you in particular,
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one of the things that
I have always wondered,
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You know, once you were
writing your own material
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and being successful in
rock and roll whirlwind,
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You know, I contacted you, how
did you experience the music?
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Or how are you still doing today?
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so there is
different... you know,
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If your career is writing songs
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and, uh, it's a race
quite unusual.
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I never thought that
nothing was a risk.
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I really didn't know what song it was on.
to be a success and people used to say:
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Oh, you've got your finger on the pulse.
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And I would think, no, no
I have my finger on the pulse.
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I only have my finger
outside and the pulse
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run under
him for the moment.
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Your skills
creative, it's a mystery
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why it happens and
How long does it last?
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I love mystery.
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I really love mystery.
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Your process seems
be something similar to mine,
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that is, you gather a lot
information and then...
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That's exactly
what is happening.
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And then you say, what is the
interesting story here?
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- That's right.
- Know?
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How does the story begin?
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That's always a question
important when writing songs.
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What is the sound I want here?
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You know, it's like a
old saying, guitarists
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they spend half their
life tuning his guitar.
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and the other half out of tune.
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so this
little guitar...riff
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It is a kind of base of the-
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On January 15, 2019,
I had a dream that said:
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you are working on one
piece called "Seven Psalms."
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And a couple of years ago
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that I didn't write anything,
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I didn't feel like writing either.
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nothing for a couple of years.
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The dream was so strong
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that I got up and wrote it.
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"Seven Psalms, 15
January 2019".
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But I had no idea
what that meant.
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But little by little it went
information arriving, such as...
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And I'd say, oh, okay, so
Maybe that's there, you know.
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Maybe this is there.
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Let's play it again.
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This is the opening
of the registry.
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I don't think you've heard this.
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That's a whale bone.
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I try all the time
move things in
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this type of flow
puts you in a dream.
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And I think that if you are
willing to fall into a space
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dreamlike, are you willing
to stop judging.
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You know, it's like
a meditation.
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The information that arrives
It comes in a purer form.
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And you can hear it and feel it
clearer and more intense way.
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How did you hear it
a moment ago?
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Well, it started out being
very aware that you
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you are here and the camera
It's on, so...
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I had to divide my
thought between
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music and was it a
good interpretation?
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or, you know, there is
a trial in progress.
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Now, will they be
Are those cameras inhibitory, Paul?
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I live with these cameras, Artie.
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These cameras, do they ever
Have you ever seen them inhibit me?
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Such a different medium...
such a different medium.
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I forgot how much I trust the fact
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that is: you can emit
sounds without being seen.
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You can create images
without them seeing you.
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That's how I-that's how
It's how I write,
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images but you don't see them, so
that in a way you evoke images.
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But these are photographs.
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I write for several reasons.
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I write some songs
for the pleasure of writing a song.
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It doesn't have any
great meaning.
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It's just a song.
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The songs are beautiful.
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People sing songs.
children sing
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songs all the time
for the pleasure of singing.
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In some songs you try
express yourself emotionally.
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Those are songs
different for me.
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And they express what
I feel, and relieve...
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Tensions that I feel
when I express them.
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But I don't think about
communicate with anyone.
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Growing up, I had
like four idols.
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Mickey Mantle,
Kennedy, Lenny Bruce...
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I was like a child
very depressed, you know?
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And I was seven or eight years old, and
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really me
exalted and came out of me...
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...y Elvis Presley.
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It didn't matter what they did.
They fascinated me.
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The name Elvis Presley was
one of the strangest names.
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ever heard.
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You know, all
that I knew were called,
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you know, david
Rothbaum or something like that.
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I really don't know what kind of
experience you have and all that.
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Were you... were you... poor?
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all the songs,
at least in the last
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album, which is...
Isn't it number one?
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Selling album in the
country now or has it been?
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I think it was.
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- "Bridge over troubled waters"?
- Yeah.
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Uh, there's a lot to
travel on rails and...
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And all that kind of stuff.
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Is that your experience?
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Were you a poor child?
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No, I was middle class.
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Yeah?
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I grew up here in New
York and Queens.
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This is my street, 70th Road.
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This was considered
almost like the field,
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was very far from
New York City.
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It was the end of the
subway line.
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Number 62 was my house.
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Upstairs was my bedroom.
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Paul was the neighbor
three blocks away,
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who I met in sixth grade
grade, so there were 11 of us.
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and we were singing
from the beginning.
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We sang at my house and
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we put things on the recorder.
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we are starting
to harmonize together.
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We were elected together for the
work Alice in Wonderland.
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He was the White Rabbit and
I was the Cheshire Cat.
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And then, the next year, in high school,
We were in the same class.
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I saw him form his
personality and becoming
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who you chose to be,
like he did with me.
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He is a very unusual guy.
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It always was, even
when I was ten years old.
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He was-he was-
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You know, the first
time I met him, he was
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in a candy store
which we used to go to.
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after
we left school.
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And I came... and here
There was this child,
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And he was waving
Good and Plenty boxes.
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And finally, and I
I was looking at him,
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you know, because I was going to buy
my Captain Marvel comic.
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And I was shaking these
Good and Plenty boxes,
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and finally, the owner
He threw him out of the store,
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He said he had to get out.
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And I told the guy:
"Why did you kick him out?"
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And he said, "He
everyone comes here
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time and shake
these boxes to see
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which one has more Good and Plenty, and
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that's the one
buy, you know. "
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And now here are some
guys who created one of
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the best songs in
The United States does not do much.
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We used to listen to the
Top 20 at Artie's house.
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And I used to wear a
graph of all
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songs and we followed them
week after week.
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I loved that the songs
They had numbers, you know?
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These songs competed
and they were calibrated.
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And you could see that the song
number seven of the week
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passed jumped to the song
number two this week.
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Well, the
math like that
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of things came to me
somehow.
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Somehow I was trapped in
that aspect as well as in music.
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If you look at it now, you would say
that he was obsessive-compulsive.
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His handwriting... looks like a
typewriter.
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the end of times
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my favorite group
They were the Cleftones.
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little, on-yes
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"My girl."
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"Can't we be boyfriend and girlfriend?"
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what am I thinking
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The Moonglows, que
they did "Sincerely."
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I liked the Penguins,
"Angel of the Earth."
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"Promising my
love" by Johnny Ace.
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I don't know, I know
15 or 20 occur where
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I say I like them
those records a lot.
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In fact, they make me
feel nostalgic and
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bring to mind
images of my neighborhood.
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how to stand on the
corner of this store
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of sweets in which
everyone was hanging out,
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and in summer,
we are in the patio
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recess, imagine
that schoolyard.
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My culture was the radio.
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It wasn't like he was singing the
Queens music, you know?
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We didn't have people sitting in
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The porches of Queens singing,
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you know, fables about how
It was Queens in the old days.
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There was nothing like that.
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When I heard "Bye Bye
Love" by the Everly brothers,
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Immediately
I fell in love with her.
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The only store
records was in Jamaica.
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To get there there was
to take two buses.
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and took me
about an hour
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get to Jamaica to
buy this album.
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So I bought the
record, I come back, I put it on.
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I turn it around,
I play the second
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face and then I touch it again,
265
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and I hit the record player,
and the needle scratched.
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I went back to the bus, I traveled
Another hour, spent another dollar,
267
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and I didn't have that many anymore, and
buy the album again.
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I couldn't stand that
This was scratched.
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I called Artie and told him
I said: listen to this.
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272
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And we were just
learning what harmony was.
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Los Everly Brothers
They sang in thirds.
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Harmony was
on top of the melodies.
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279
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That's Don singing.
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Phil is singing...
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282
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283
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284
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285
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Then we just practice.
I sing like the Everly Brothers.
286
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we had enough
Everly brothers in our
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minds to know how
produce that harmony.
288
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And we write together and
we got jealous
289
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of the artists who
They recorded on the radio.
290
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and we saw ourselves competing and
We learned to do demonstrations.
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you are mine
292
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who-bop-a-loo-chi-bop
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from the second row
295
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296
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whisper very low
297
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who-bop-a-loo-chi-bop
298
00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,366
"Hello schoolgirl", we write it
when we were 15 years old.
299
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We basically wrote it
about our high school.
300
00:17:45,247 --> 00:17:47,381
but there is one more thing
301
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at four thirty
302
00:17:49,423 --> 00:17:50,907
We would go to companies
record labels and
303
00:17:50,992 --> 00:17:52,760
we would just play
the door, you know.
304
00:17:52,846 --> 00:17:54,466
We would say that
we wrote this song.
305
00:17:54,548 --> 00:17:57,735
And, you know, in those days, the
People were like, "Oh, really? Come on in."
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When we were almost 16 years old,
we had recorded this song
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for a small company
record label called Big Records.
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That was in the Brill building,
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1619 Broadway.
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who-bop-a-loo-chi-bop
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The record company put us
the name of Tom and Jerry.
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I was Jerry.
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I have a lot to do
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The album was a success.
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It was presented at the American
Bandstand de Dick Clark.
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The children danced.
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And then we went to The Dick
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Clark Show con Jerry Lee Lewis.
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I told them on American Bandstand
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who came from Macon, Georgia.
321
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I just left.
322
00:18:37,564 --> 00:18:38,815
Where are you guys from?
323
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Macon, Georgia.
324
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He appeared with a southern accent
325
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and was from Macon, Georgia.
326
00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:45,787
I kept thinking, why not
327
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Did you tell me you were going to do this?
328
00:18:47,626 --> 00:18:50,463
I could see Artie, like,
looking, like, what...?
329
00:18:50,549 --> 00:18:51,508
"Where are you from?"
330
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And he said, "Queens."
331
00:18:53,263 --> 00:18:55,348
from school at 3:00
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At that moment I
I worked in a shoe store.
333
00:18:57,814 --> 00:19:00,650
But after
We went to the American Bandstand,
334
00:19:00,737 --> 00:19:02,197
I came in and the boss,
who couldn't
335
00:19:02,281 --> 00:19:04,075
endure, he told me:
"You're late."
336
00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,162
I said, "No, no, I quit."
337
00:19:06,248 --> 00:19:08,584
338
00:19:08,669 --> 00:19:10,338
339
00:19:10,423 --> 00:19:12,842
Even though my
father was a bassist...
340
00:19:12,929 --> 00:19:17,100
He led a band in
Roseland for about 25 years.
341
00:19:17,187 --> 00:19:19,940
It really wasn't
encouraging about
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00:19:20,026 --> 00:19:23,279
to rock and roll
roll as a career.
343
00:19:23,367 --> 00:19:26,620
He thought it was music
really stupid.
344
00:19:26,706 --> 00:19:28,675
I said, "Why not
Do you like this music?"
345
00:19:28,761 --> 00:19:31,248
He said: "Because it is
really stupid. "It's stupid."
346
00:19:31,634 --> 00:19:33,302
I'd say, "Fool?"
347
00:19:33,388 --> 00:19:36,641
"Earth angel."
348
00:19:36,727 --> 00:19:38,672
Earth angel.
349
00:19:39,058 --> 00:19:40,276
Do you see what I'm saying?
350
00:19:40,361 --> 00:19:42,070
I thought that, for me,
it was the first time
351
00:19:42,156 --> 00:19:44,024
an ironic sense
had entered my life.
352
00:19:44,109 --> 00:19:45,553
in my life, "Angel of the Earth."
353
00:19:46,540 --> 00:19:49,334
He said: "I understand.
"I just think it's nonsense."
354
00:19:56,602 --> 00:19:59,435
So we had fun listening
some of the first songs.
355
00:19:59,518 --> 00:20:01,151
Oh yeah, what was it?
the one you liked?
356
00:20:01,236 --> 00:20:07,492
night and I'm alone
357
00:20:07,583 --> 00:20:11,879
I'm sitting at home
358
00:20:11,967 --> 00:20:14,637
I... I forgot because
complete and then I listened to it.
359
00:20:14,723 --> 00:20:17,226
And I said, wow, my
voice was very beautiful.
360
00:20:17,311 --> 00:20:19,021
It was a sweet voice.
361
00:20:19,106 --> 00:20:22,818
tonight
362
00:20:25,078 --> 00:20:30,833
a lullaby
363
00:20:30,923 --> 00:20:33,008
364
00:20:33,094 --> 00:20:36,931
365
00:20:37,018 --> 00:20:39,521
366
00:20:39,607 --> 00:20:42,860
My dad was very happy
for me to go to Queens College.
367
00:20:42,948 --> 00:20:45,617
which was a free school.
368
00:20:45,704 --> 00:20:48,081
I studied English literature.
369
00:20:48,166 --> 00:20:50,842
And then I got a score
very high in law boards
370
00:20:50,925 --> 00:20:52,682
and I went to the Faculty of
Brooklyn Law.
371
00:20:52,767 --> 00:20:54,886
But really,
from the beginning,
372
00:20:54,973 --> 00:20:57,392
I just said, I don't know what
I'm doing here.
373
00:20:57,477 --> 00:21:00,147
I have never wanted to be
something else that, you know,
374
00:21:00,233 --> 00:21:03,820
singer and composer
since I was 13 years old.
375
00:21:05,995 --> 00:21:09,498
wherever they go
376
00:21:09,586 --> 00:21:14,257
around you they have grown
377
00:21:14,346 --> 00:21:16,139
378
00:21:16,224 --> 00:21:18,769
to the bones
379
00:21:18,855 --> 00:21:21,441
save your time
380
00:21:21,527 --> 00:21:23,196
I started to go down
the folk scene
381
00:21:23,281 --> 00:21:25,325
de Village to
Bleecker y MacDougal,
382
00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:26,870
and that was really interesting.
383
00:21:26,955 --> 00:21:31,001
384
00:21:31,089 --> 00:21:33,466
That's the first time
that I listened to Dylan.
385
00:21:33,552 --> 00:21:36,680
I was singing music
for adults.
386
00:21:36,767 --> 00:21:40,646
who prophesy with your pen
387
00:21:40,733 --> 00:21:45,488
the opportunity will not appear again
388
00:21:45,576 --> 00:21:50,081
because the wheel keeps turning
389
00:21:50,169 --> 00:21:53,756
who is naming
390
00:21:53,844 --> 00:21:56,721
now it will be...
391
00:21:56,808 --> 00:21:59,227
I started writing with guitar
392
00:21:59,313 --> 00:22:02,692
acoustics and to find
figurines, you know,
393
00:22:02,779 --> 00:22:04,614
to play on acoustic guitar.
394
00:22:09,793 --> 00:22:12,713
my old friend
395
00:22:14,553 --> 00:22:16,722
with you again
396
00:22:16,808 --> 00:22:19,811
I used to go to the bathroom
my parents' house.
397
00:22:19,898 --> 00:22:22,567
drag gently
398
00:22:22,653 --> 00:22:25,072
There were tiles in the
wall and turned on the water.
399
00:22:25,159 --> 00:22:29,830
while I was sleeping
400
00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:36,258
planted in my brain
401
00:22:36,349 --> 00:22:38,184
And the tile echoed, and the water
402
00:22:38,269 --> 00:22:40,855
it was like a sound
of white noise.
403
00:22:40,942 --> 00:22:43,653
404
00:22:43,738 --> 00:22:45,865
405
00:22:47,747 --> 00:22:50,291
I walked alone
406
00:22:50,378 --> 00:22:53,005
I was going to a space
which was a zone.
407
00:22:53,091 --> 00:22:55,677
of cobblestones
408
00:22:57,935 --> 00:23:01,522
of a streetlight
409
00:23:01,609 --> 00:23:06,990
There is a very easy flow
of creative energy.
410
00:23:07,078 --> 00:23:13,668
by the explosion of a neon light
411
00:23:13,758 --> 00:23:15,510
412
00:23:17,349 --> 00:23:20,728
413
00:23:20,815 --> 00:23:22,859
414
00:23:22,944 --> 00:23:26,197
That thought a second ago
415
00:23:26,285 --> 00:23:28,245
was not here and
now I'm crying.
416
00:23:28,331 --> 00:23:29,707
417
00:23:29,792 --> 00:23:32,545
You know, how did that happen?
418
00:23:32,632 --> 00:23:35,468
419
00:23:35,554 --> 00:23:37,056
And how can I do it again?
420
00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:41,394
they hear without listening
421
00:23:41,483 --> 00:23:44,736
422
00:23:44,823 --> 00:23:48,994
423
00:23:49,082 --> 00:23:52,502
424
00:23:52,589 --> 00:23:55,342
425
00:23:55,428 --> 00:23:57,347
426
00:24:04,781 --> 00:24:06,783
Thanks guys.
We love your program.
427
00:24:06,868 --> 00:24:08,453
- It's very fun.
- Thank you, Edie.
428
00:24:09,541 --> 00:24:11,292
- That's very good.
- It was very fun.
429
00:24:11,378 --> 00:24:13,104
We will do it again.
We will do it again.
430
00:24:13,189 --> 00:24:15,534
- Oh, yes, stop by whenever you want.
- Yes, you know.
431
00:24:15,620 --> 00:24:17,338
I am always here.
You pass me by.
432
00:24:17,423 --> 00:24:18,377
You see me at the window.
433
00:24:18,458 --> 00:24:20,811
We are Wimberley people,
so we will come back and...
434
00:24:20,897 --> 00:24:22,357
We will return and
we will do again.
435
00:24:22,443 --> 00:24:24,353
This is really something
incredibly pretty.
436
00:24:24,438 --> 00:24:26,882
We are eager to hear
what comes next,
437
00:24:26,965 --> 00:24:27,995
You know, in your career.
438
00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:30,498
Well, when it's
Ready, I'll come and bring it to you.
439
00:24:37,515 --> 00:24:41,227
We moved to
Texas a few years ago.
440
00:24:41,315 --> 00:24:43,362
And Edie grew up in Paris, Texas,
441
00:24:43,444 --> 00:24:46,906
so your memories
most precious are from country.
442
00:24:46,993 --> 00:24:49,037
And she loved the stream.
443
00:24:49,122 --> 00:24:51,625
He liked to walk
through the streams.
444
00:24:53,130 --> 00:24:57,593
Then he found a house in
Hill Country, not far from Austin.
445
00:24:57,681 --> 00:25:00,100
That was right in this one.
really nice stream.
446
00:25:03,151 --> 00:25:05,737
It's really quiet,
really peaceful.
447
00:25:05,824 --> 00:25:10,119
I thought, yeah, I'll be happy passing
part of my time there.
448
00:25:12,379 --> 00:25:15,423
I moved my studio
recording there.
449
00:25:25,197 --> 00:25:27,199
From the beginning
from "Seven Psalms",
450
00:25:27,285 --> 00:25:29,284
What I remember most
it was playing
451
00:25:29,366 --> 00:25:32,292
this beautiful motif
guitar over and over again.
452
00:25:32,378 --> 00:25:34,130
And every time I touched it,
453
00:25:34,215 --> 00:25:37,887
I felt this feeling
very good and moving.
454
00:25:38,575 --> 00:25:41,187
And left any room
in which he was and said:
455
00:25:41,270 --> 00:25:43,882
"There it is again. That's the
most beautiful guitar piece.
456
00:25:43,969 --> 00:25:46,221
you have to do
something with this. "
457
00:25:48,579 --> 00:25:53,584
Maybe because this arose from a
I dream, you know, I was patient.
458
00:25:53,672 --> 00:25:57,217
I had... I had a lot
patience with that.
459
00:26:01,271 --> 00:26:04,107
I was starting to wake up
two or three times a
460
00:26:04,194 --> 00:26:06,780
week between 3:30
and 5:00 in the morning,
461
00:26:06,866 --> 00:26:08,785
and the words would come.
462
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:10,538
I would write them.
463
00:26:10,624 --> 00:26:14,360
And if I tried to add more...
Like, oh, that's a good verse.
464
00:26:14,444 --> 00:26:16,258
I'll write a second
verse; would stop.
465
00:26:18,473 --> 00:26:22,602
And I said, well, whatever this is,
It's just yet to come.
466
00:26:22,691 --> 00:26:24,901
He comes towards me and that's it.
467
00:26:24,987 --> 00:26:27,085
I just have to wait.
468
00:26:27,168 --> 00:26:31,496
And when it comes, write it down
and start putting it together.
469
00:26:33,421 --> 00:26:35,506
in the great migration
470
00:26:37,178 --> 00:26:39,931
leaving the flock
471
00:26:41,855 --> 00:26:44,482
about your destiny
472
00:26:45,780 --> 00:26:48,658
473
00:26:52,043 --> 00:26:54,003
474
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,136
on which I ride
475
00:26:59,976 --> 00:27:02,896
face in the atmosphere
476
00:27:05,278 --> 00:27:07,822
I slide and I slide
477
00:27:10,164 --> 00:27:12,333
And then somehow
last October,
478
00:27:12,418 --> 00:27:16,380
I lost hearing in my ear
left and it just went...
479
00:27:19,015 --> 00:27:21,851
Towards the end of October,
480
00:27:21,938 --> 00:27:23,689
I was... there was almost
missing, you know?
481
00:27:23,775 --> 00:27:27,738
It threw me off because my voice
It didn't come from the same place.
482
00:27:28,326 --> 00:27:30,203
I wasn't sitting here.
483
00:27:30,288 --> 00:27:32,624
I was like sitting...
484
00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:36,549
485
00:27:38,514 --> 00:27:41,225
486
00:27:43,399 --> 00:27:46,777
487
00:27:46,865 --> 00:27:50,493
daylight edge
488
00:27:53,336 --> 00:27:56,756
And then I started to think,
You know, this whole piece...
489
00:27:56,843 --> 00:27:58,928
490
00:27:59,015 --> 00:28:02,435
It was actually...
491
00:28:02,521 --> 00:28:05,195
something I had to deal with,
492
00:28:05,278 --> 00:28:09,490
and maybe this audience
It was part of the process.
493
00:28:10,580 --> 00:28:12,003
And now it was going to be more difficult,
494
00:28:12,085 --> 00:28:14,169
and maybe it was
destined to be more difficult.
495
00:28:21,101 --> 00:28:25,522
This is a journey
that I must complete.
496
00:28:27,615 --> 00:28:30,159
This entire piece is
really an argument.
497
00:28:30,246 --> 00:28:33,499
I'm having with me
same about believing or not.
498
00:28:43,147 --> 00:28:46,359
I think I have to do it...
let me trace it wildly.
499
00:28:46,445 --> 00:28:47,780
Well.
500
00:28:53,627 --> 00:28:55,112
That's not going to work, is it?
501
00:28:55,197 --> 00:28:57,250
I think it's a beautiful thing.
502
00:28:58,137 --> 00:29:00,831
It is?
503
00:29:00,918 --> 00:29:04,229
You know, it's not a thought that
I really enjoyed it, you know.
504
00:29:04,316 --> 00:29:07,277
I don't like to think, oh,
This is the topic of this.
505
00:29:07,364 --> 00:29:11,744
I like to work
and then discover.
506
00:29:11,831 --> 00:29:13,916
let me see if
I want this investment.
507
00:29:14,003 --> 00:29:18,341
People say, why do you always
Do you want to change your sound?
508
00:29:18,428 --> 00:29:20,263
I'm not thinking about
that way at all.
509
00:29:20,349 --> 00:29:24,519
I'm looking for the edge
from what you can hear.
510
00:29:24,608 --> 00:29:27,944
I can almost hear it,
but not completely.
511
00:29:28,032 --> 00:29:31,118
But that's what I want.
512
00:29:31,205 --> 00:29:33,207
Now, how do you get there?
513
00:29:33,292 --> 00:29:36,879
It's... it's a trip because
is on the horizon.
514
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:41,515
And sometimes you find that you can
515
00:29:41,601 --> 00:29:44,479
do something that
It has magic, you know?
516
00:29:56,465 --> 00:30:01,720
In 1964 I gave a demonstration
from "The Sound of Silence."
517
00:30:01,810 --> 00:30:02,894
It was just me.
518
00:30:02,979 --> 00:30:04,397
It wasn't with Artie.
519
00:30:04,481 --> 00:30:07,609
and through my
connections in New York,
520
00:30:07,697 --> 00:30:09,756
It was put to Tom Wilson,
521
00:30:09,838 --> 00:30:13,913
who was a producer in
Columbia Records, very good.
522
00:30:14,002 --> 00:30:17,547
He also produced "Like a
Rolling Stone" de Bob Dylan.
523
00:30:17,633 --> 00:30:19,594
He recorded Blood, Sweat and Tears.
524
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,223
He recorded Laura Nyro.
525
00:30:21,308 --> 00:30:23,935
Hugh Masekela recorded,
526
00:30:24,022 --> 00:30:25,815
the Mothers of Invention,
527
00:30:25,901 --> 00:30:27,110
the loving spoonful.
528
00:30:27,196 --> 00:30:28,489
He made, I mean, hits.
529
00:30:30,827 --> 00:30:34,247
530
00:30:34,335 --> 00:30:36,670
531
00:30:36,757 --> 00:30:39,801
532
00:30:39,888 --> 00:30:41,473
533
00:30:41,558 --> 00:30:44,102
And I said: "I sing this
song with a friend of mine."
534
00:30:44,189 --> 00:30:45,724
like a cancer
535
00:30:45,805 --> 00:30:48,194
"Could we come in and
audition for you?"
536
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,866
What could I teach you?
537
00:30:50,953 --> 00:30:52,287
He said, "Yeah, sure."
538
00:30:52,372 --> 00:30:54,666
So Artie and I
We go in and sing it.
539
00:30:54,752 --> 00:30:56,629
540
00:30:56,714 --> 00:30:58,967
541
00:30:59,053 --> 00:31:02,139
silently they fell
542
00:31:05,399 --> 00:31:08,860
543
00:31:08,948 --> 00:31:10,366
544
00:31:10,451 --> 00:31:13,413
And they said they would sign us.
545
00:31:13,499 --> 00:31:15,750
We were very excited
because, really,
546
00:31:15,832 --> 00:31:19,257
at that time it was not possible
be in a more prestigious place
547
00:31:19,344 --> 00:31:22,347
than Columbia Records.
548
00:31:22,435 --> 00:31:25,408
Then there was a big debate
about what our name would be
549
00:31:25,491 --> 00:31:27,776
because there was a group
called Art and Paul.
550
00:31:27,862 --> 00:31:32,700
So Columbia was trying to
find names and, they were horrible.
551
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:34,291
They were really horrible.
552
00:31:34,375 --> 00:31:37,879
I mean, one of them
They were the Rye Catchers.
553
00:31:37,966 --> 00:31:40,802
That's how they saw us.
It's like, these guys...
554
00:31:40,889 --> 00:31:42,932
These guys are
like Salingers.
555
00:31:45,023 --> 00:31:46,933
Finally, the president
from Columbia Records,
556
00:31:47,018 --> 00:31:48,679
Goddard Lieberson,
He intervened and said:
557
00:31:48,864 --> 00:31:51,617
"No, his name should
be Simon and Garfunkel."
558
00:31:51,703 --> 00:31:57,084
Which, at the time, was quite
radical to have ethnic names.
559
00:31:57,173 --> 00:31:59,342
The people still
Anglicized their names.
560
00:31:59,427 --> 00:32:01,940
All Italians changed
their names, you know,
561
00:32:02,023 --> 00:32:03,685
Frankie Avalon, Bobby Rydell.
562
00:32:03,770 --> 00:32:05,814
Bob Dylan changed his name.
563
00:32:05,899 --> 00:32:08,193
So, that was a big deal.
564
00:32:08,278 --> 00:32:11,657
Goddard Lieberson definitely
I was making a statement with that.
565
00:32:16,796 --> 00:32:20,133
And then we go in and
we recorded our first album,
566
00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:22,347
"Wednesday morning, 3 a.m."
567
00:32:22,433 --> 00:32:24,643
the soft breathing
568
00:32:24,730 --> 00:32:27,983
569
00:32:28,069 --> 00:32:30,822
570
00:32:30,909 --> 00:32:33,537
571
00:32:33,622 --> 00:32:38,335
572
00:32:38,425 --> 00:32:42,012
573
00:32:42,098 --> 00:32:45,685
574
00:32:45,773 --> 00:32:50,694
575
00:32:50,784 --> 00:32:53,512
576
00:32:53,798 --> 00:32:55,792
Well, we'll take it and
we will cut in half.
577
00:32:55,877 --> 00:32:58,146
Correct, also, when
you get to "because the vision",
578
00:32:58,232 --> 00:32:59,517
start swinging it a little.
579
00:32:59,601 --> 00:33:00,752
I don't want to be so...
580
00:33:00,837 --> 00:33:02,388
- Bueno.
- ...be careful with that line.
581
00:33:02,474 --> 00:33:04,726
- A little stronger too.
- We're ready.
582
00:33:04,813 --> 00:33:10,401
planted in my brain
583
00:33:10,491 --> 00:33:11,784
The album came out and there it played
584
00:33:11,868 --> 00:33:13,954
"The Sound of Silence".
585
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,670
but, "Wednesday
tomorrow, 3 a.m." was a failure.
586
00:33:18,758 --> 00:33:21,594
The album did not sell at all.
587
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,734
I was still in college
of law at that time.
588
00:33:32,820 --> 00:33:35,707
Meanwhile I came and went
and came and went to England,
589
00:33:35,793 --> 00:33:38,713
after my first
visit there as a tourist.
590
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:42,344
I was going on vacation
Christmas, spring.
591
00:33:42,432 --> 00:33:45,226
And Art... was at school
graduate at Columbia.
592
00:33:45,313 --> 00:33:47,732
So, we were
Like separate, you know.
593
00:33:49,780 --> 00:33:53,159
By then I had already decided
that he didn't want to be a lawyer.
594
00:33:53,245 --> 00:33:56,665
I want to be a musician
have lawyers
595
00:33:56,753 --> 00:33:59,047
let them work for you
when you need them.
596
00:33:59,133 --> 00:34:01,582
Then, abandon the
school was an easy decision,
597
00:34:01,664 --> 00:34:04,390
and it was an easy decision to move
to London, which I loved.
598
00:34:06,607 --> 00:34:10,175
At some point in the
life of all people,
599
00:34:10,258 --> 00:34:13,033
not necessarily
at a specific age,
600
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:14,913
Um, you're surprised by the feeling
601
00:34:14,998 --> 00:34:18,293
that things escape you.
602
00:34:18,381 --> 00:34:20,549
And you try to grab them.
603
00:34:25,729 --> 00:34:29,817
I wrote this song
604
00:34:31,700 --> 00:34:36,121
I won't have them for long
605
00:34:38,506 --> 00:34:42,427
606
00:34:42,513 --> 00:34:47,644
607
00:34:47,733 --> 00:34:50,235
608
00:34:53,243 --> 00:34:55,120
I started to play,
These were not clubs.
609
00:34:55,205 --> 00:34:56,957
like the clubs in New York.
610
00:34:57,044 --> 00:34:59,336
They were a room above a pub.
611
00:35:01,219 --> 00:35:03,346
There may be a
microphone, or maybe not.
612
00:35:11,449 --> 00:35:12,825
Gracias.
613
00:35:15,082 --> 00:35:20,087
This woman, Judith Piepe...
She was a refugee from Germany.
614
00:35:20,175 --> 00:35:21,384
His father was a communist.
615
00:35:21,469 --> 00:35:22,887
She was Jewish.
616
00:35:22,972 --> 00:35:28,353
He fled during the war and
converted to the Anglican Church.
617
00:35:28,442 --> 00:35:30,778
He came to all the places
in which I sang.
618
00:35:32,784 --> 00:35:36,704
The priest with whom I did
my training once said:
619
00:35:36,793 --> 00:35:38,545
"If you want to help people,
620
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:42,259
you have to love them.
If you can't love them, don't do it.
621
00:35:42,346 --> 00:35:44,431
Don't try to help them.
622
00:35:44,517 --> 00:35:49,480
If you don't love them, they can't
forgive you for the bread you give them."
623
00:35:50,697 --> 00:35:52,574
He lived in the East End of London,
624
00:35:52,659 --> 00:35:55,912
next to the docks, very hard.
625
00:35:55,999 --> 00:35:58,212
She lived in, you know,
an apartment,
626
00:35:58,295 --> 00:36:02,366
a tiny apartment, had a
room, and let me stay there.
627
00:36:03,764 --> 00:36:07,643
I had a small program
five minute BBC radio.
628
00:36:07,732 --> 00:36:10,985
called "Five to Ten", which is
It broadcast between ten to five.
629
00:36:11,071 --> 00:36:14,825
And it was five minutes, and he spoke,
You know, it was a little while ago.
630
00:36:14,913 --> 00:36:17,831
This song by Paul Simon
631
00:36:17,915 --> 00:36:23,133
It's almost a description
isolation clinic.
632
00:36:23,222 --> 00:36:25,724
And then she put
one of my songs.
633
00:36:25,810 --> 00:36:29,022
sometimes I write songs
634
00:36:29,108 --> 00:36:32,363
and after finishing them
and reproduce them,
635
00:36:32,447 --> 00:36:35,702
the degree horrifies me
of neuroses that I possess.
636
00:36:39,631 --> 00:36:41,508
This is one of those songs.
637
00:36:41,593 --> 00:36:44,263
A kind of therapy
group without the group involved.
638
00:36:45,768 --> 00:36:47,853
639
00:36:51,196 --> 00:36:55,367
and dark
640
00:36:55,455 --> 00:36:57,916
I don't usually sing
songs against war.
641
00:36:58,002 --> 00:36:59,717
for the simple reason that
642
00:36:59,799 --> 00:37:02,967
if at this point there are
someone who is not convinced
643
00:37:03,054 --> 00:37:05,416
of the absurdity of
a war, huh,
644
00:37:05,498 --> 00:37:09,062
I don't think they will change
opinion for a song.
645
00:37:09,150 --> 00:37:10,828
When I came to England
last year,
646
00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:14,991
It wasn't so much about coming to England,
like a departure from New York.
647
00:37:15,078 --> 00:37:19,833
And then when I returned to
house in September 64,
648
00:37:19,922 --> 00:37:23,509
I discovered that the same
complexes that I had in New York,
649
00:37:23,597 --> 00:37:26,475
I immediately returned to them.
They were still there.
650
00:37:26,561 --> 00:37:29,842
And I found myself thinking
increasingly in England
651
00:37:29,925 --> 00:37:32,528
and in relationships
that he had formed.
652
00:37:37,959 --> 00:37:40,629
Kathy Chitty was my girlfriend.
653
00:37:40,715 --> 00:37:44,508
And I met her in the
Brentwood Folk Club door
654
00:37:44,592 --> 00:37:48,060
collecting the money
people paid to enter.
655
00:37:50,146 --> 00:37:52,346
TAPE RECORDING FOR KATHY CHITTY
September 1964
656
00:37:52,446 --> 00:37:53,840
Regarding your letter yesterday...
657
00:37:55,724 --> 00:37:56,924
I'm going to put away my cigarette.
658
00:37:57,005 --> 00:37:58,505
As soon as your letter arrives
659
00:37:58,587 --> 00:38:00,087
I received it yesterday and it ruined my day
660
00:38:02,471 --> 00:38:03,971
because it was such a short letter
661
00:38:05,154 --> 00:38:07,654
wait a second, I have to
find another cigarette.
662
00:38:07,787 --> 00:38:09,048
Well.
663
00:38:10,330 --> 00:38:12,330
Artie's not here.
I don't know where it is.
664
00:38:13,514 --> 00:38:16,114
He told me he would come,
but he left with his motorcycle
665
00:38:16,197 --> 00:38:17,246
to register it.
666
00:38:17,327 --> 00:38:20,130
I guess it will come back
whenever.
667
00:38:20,213 --> 00:38:22,632
That tape is interesting.
668
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,763
That was during
time when he came and went.
669
00:38:25,850 --> 00:38:27,768
I was back in
my parents' house.
670
00:38:28,451 --> 00:38:29,371
And it just arrived.
671
00:38:29,452 --> 00:38:31,852
It was two desperate hours
to register
672
00:38:31,934 --> 00:38:33,934
and he was almost arrested for threatening someone
673
00:38:34,017 --> 00:38:36,017
Are you going to say something for her?
674
00:38:36,099 --> 00:38:37,599
You know, I can never talk.
675
00:38:37,681 --> 00:38:40,281
I get stuck on a stage,
I can't speak into a microphone.
676
00:38:42,566 --> 00:38:44,866
In this tape, I want to put
two new songs.
677
00:38:46,350 --> 00:38:48,350
One of them is the
what I wrote about you.
678
00:38:55,747 --> 00:39:00,710
of the rain
679
00:39:02,469 --> 00:39:06,473
680
00:39:08,398 --> 00:39:14,404
681
00:39:14,494 --> 00:39:19,708
682
00:39:22,761 --> 00:39:28,559
683
00:39:28,648 --> 00:39:33,403
684
00:39:33,491 --> 00:39:39,080
rain soaked streets
685
00:39:39,170 --> 00:39:41,380
686
00:39:41,467 --> 00:39:45,054
687
00:39:55,328 --> 00:39:57,923
During this entire period
while you come and go,
688
00:39:58,006 --> 00:40:02,254
I became interested in this album "Songbook"
that has a photo of you and Kathy.
689
00:40:02,343 --> 00:40:05,096
- Yes, on the cover.
- Yes, but it's you.
690
00:40:05,182 --> 00:40:08,143
- No son Simon y Garfunkel.
- No.
691
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:12,359
I can't believe
692
00:40:12,447 --> 00:40:17,786
and they try to rhyme
693
00:40:17,874 --> 00:40:20,043
I wasn't even
debating whether to go
694
00:40:20,130 --> 00:40:22,716
to be a soloist because
He lived in England.
695
00:40:22,802 --> 00:40:25,138
Playing in clubs
folkloric, doing it alone.
696
00:40:25,223 --> 00:40:28,476
and the experiment
with Artie singing
697
00:40:28,564 --> 00:40:30,816
It was, at that time, a failure.
698
00:40:30,901 --> 00:40:34,405
I have come to doubt
699
00:40:36,748 --> 00:40:41,335
once I considered it true
700
00:40:41,423 --> 00:40:47,179
701
00:40:47,269 --> 00:40:52,191
what I know is you
702
00:40:53,783 --> 00:40:57,411
It was simply a
single period of freedom.
703
00:40:57,499 --> 00:41:01,795
You know, I loved it. I was 23,
704
00:41:01,882 --> 00:41:03,425
24 years old, no responsibilities.
705
00:41:03,511 --> 00:41:06,555
and here I am doing
exactly what I want to do.
706
00:41:06,642 --> 00:41:13,065
707
00:41:13,155 --> 00:41:18,452
your grace I go
708
00:42:03,927 --> 00:42:09,849
709
00:42:09,940 --> 00:42:13,026
710
00:42:13,112 --> 00:42:17,033
711
00:42:17,121 --> 00:42:20,041
It shouldn't be like this.
I can play that better
712
00:42:20,127 --> 00:42:22,797
and relate it to what is happening.
- Bueno.
713
00:42:45,513 --> 00:42:48,683
- It was ok?
- Yes, the last one was great.
714
00:42:49,271 --> 00:42:51,690
- Okay, then play that.
- Yeah.
715
00:42:51,775 --> 00:42:54,111
I know I have more
control over it, so...
716
00:43:09,395 --> 00:43:12,857
717
00:43:15,074 --> 00:43:21,663
718
00:43:27,767 --> 00:43:32,355
a rose and a thorn
719
00:43:33,987 --> 00:43:37,950
720
00:43:40,627 --> 00:43:45,382
721
00:43:45,470 --> 00:43:49,474
722
00:43:49,562 --> 00:43:54,733
723
00:43:54,823 --> 00:44:01,746
724
00:44:16,074 --> 00:44:20,662
ยกAh!
725
00:44:22,254 --> 00:44:23,631
It's good to see you, darling.
726
00:44:27,223 --> 00:44:28,891
Yes, how are you?
727
00:44:28,976 --> 00:44:30,478
Good good. No complaints.
728
00:44:30,563 --> 00:44:31,856
- Are you?
- Yeah.
729
00:44:31,941 --> 00:44:33,067
Thanks for coming.
730
00:44:33,152 --> 00:44:35,571
Man, come on, you know.
731
00:44:35,657 --> 00:44:37,442
Where are you?
I'll walk to Hawaii for you.
732
00:44:37,527 --> 00:44:38,628
You tell me.
733
00:44:38,914 --> 00:44:40,749
So...
what are we talking about?
734
00:44:40,834 --> 00:44:42,503
Where are we with the "Psalms"?
735
00:44:42,588 --> 00:44:44,590
Do you want to play it
everything from start to finish?
736
00:44:44,675 --> 00:44:46,261
Put it all in.
Yes, don't stop.
737
00:44:46,346 --> 00:44:47,847
We won't stop. Well, well.
738
00:44:54,279 --> 00:44:57,392
Paul and I talked about "Seven
Psalms" just as an idea
739
00:44:57,475 --> 00:45:00,371
before he started
to work on it, you know?
740
00:45:00,458 --> 00:45:02,919
We were talking about the Bible.
741
00:45:03,005 --> 00:45:05,015
we were talking
of a tradition
742
00:45:05,101 --> 00:45:07,921
mystique of the song
of a troubadour,
743
00:45:08,308 --> 00:45:09,952
the meaning
mystic of seven.
744
00:45:10,034 --> 00:45:12,731
You know, in the seventh
day, the Lord rested.
745
00:45:18,245 --> 00:45:21,415
the great migration
746
00:45:21,501 --> 00:45:22,753
We met years ago.
747
00:45:22,838 --> 00:45:26,091
We did a benefit.
This was in 2002.
748
00:45:26,178 --> 00:45:29,473
I made a terrible arrangement
from "I'll Take Manhattan."
749
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:34,023
It was not a musical experience
particularly good for me.
750
00:45:34,111 --> 00:45:36,322
Man, it was...
751
00:45:36,407 --> 00:45:38,701
Although he appeared very
calm about it.
752
00:45:38,788 --> 00:45:42,041
He sang and did his thing,
but I didn't help him.
753
00:45:42,127 --> 00:45:43,329
One two three.
754
00:45:43,614 --> 00:45:44,965
So we didn't become friends.
755
00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:47,814
we became friends
when he asked me to do
756
00:45:47,897 --> 00:45:51,393
a fundraiser
for Jazz at Lincoln Center.
757
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,983
After that, we start
to collaborate through the years.
758
00:45:56,073 --> 00:45:57,658
759
00:45:57,743 --> 00:46:01,205
In a way you reinvented that
song on the album In the Blue Light.
760
00:46:01,292 --> 00:46:03,044
"Pigs, sheep and wolves", yes.
761
00:46:03,129 --> 00:46:04,713
762
00:46:04,799 --> 00:46:05,973
Like an arranger,
763
00:46:06,055 --> 00:46:08,746
you always want to try to do
what someone wants you to do.
764
00:46:08,833 --> 00:46:10,506
765
00:46:10,587 --> 00:46:13,856
And with this, it was as if
It was something from New Orleans.
766
00:46:13,943 --> 00:46:15,844
pork
767
00:46:16,615 --> 00:46:19,201
768
00:46:19,288 --> 00:46:21,457
769
00:46:21,542 --> 00:46:23,586
770
00:46:23,671 --> 00:46:25,314
Playing music is
something so spiritual
771
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:26,968
that when you play with someone,
772
00:46:27,053 --> 00:46:28,982
most things
They don't talk, you know?
773
00:46:29,064 --> 00:46:30,142
You are listening to it.
774
00:46:30,226 --> 00:46:32,061
775
00:46:32,147 --> 00:46:34,399
a couple of rodents
776
00:46:34,486 --> 00:46:37,906
777
00:46:37,993 --> 00:46:41,914
nibbling on a clover
778
00:46:42,001 --> 00:46:45,087
I really pay attention
to what it says musically.
779
00:46:47,011 --> 00:46:49,305
And I often think that
when I'm working
780
00:46:49,391 --> 00:46:51,602
in something and I'm changing
a voice or something like that,
781
00:46:51,687 --> 00:46:53,356
"Would Wynton like this?"
782
00:46:53,441 --> 00:46:56,778
for the behavior
783
00:46:56,865 --> 00:46:58,450
784
00:46:58,536 --> 00:46:59,787
Eh.
785
00:46:59,871 --> 00:47:02,791
786
00:47:02,877 --> 00:47:04,212
787
00:47:04,297 --> 00:47:06,359
788
00:47:06,441 --> 00:47:09,523
When I had the chance
to really talk to him
789
00:47:09,606 --> 00:47:12,394
and we sat outside
from the context of music,
790
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,816
- We had a lot to talk about.
- Like what?
791
00:47:14,902 --> 00:47:17,822
Man, like being divorced,
792
00:47:17,908 --> 00:47:20,494
have children, not be married,
793
00:47:20,581 --> 00:47:22,499
race relations
in the United States,
794
00:47:22,585 --> 00:47:24,211
New Orleans and New York,
795
00:47:24,297 --> 00:47:28,045
Elvis Presley and rock and roll,
black and white, politics,
796
00:47:28,129 --> 00:47:30,446
ayahuasca, south american music,
797
00:47:30,529 --> 00:47:34,689
integrating with others
cultures and their music, being left-handed,
798
00:47:34,777 --> 00:47:37,362
be at your father's rehearsal
where you don't want to be,
799
00:47:37,449 --> 00:47:39,784
how to pay tribute to
a generation before you,
800
00:47:39,871 --> 00:47:42,040
the address that
will take our country.
801
00:47:42,125 --> 00:47:44,027
What level of
participation must
802
00:47:44,112 --> 00:47:45,881
have the artists with
the political issues?
803
00:47:45,966 --> 00:47:47,885
What is it like to travel?
804
00:47:47,970 --> 00:47:50,557
What do you learn from
musicians from other cultures?
805
00:47:51,044 --> 00:47:52,879
What is needed for
write a song?
806
00:47:52,964 --> 00:47:54,382
What do you think of
baroque music?
807
00:47:54,467 --> 00:47:58,237
What is the position of Bach versus the
Beethoven's position in European music?
808
00:47:58,325 --> 00:48:01,161
How much music did you write?
Duke Ellington in 1962?
809
00:48:01,247 --> 00:48:04,292
What was it like when they killed
to Goodman in Mississippi?
810
00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:06,173
African American music
and Anglo-Celtic music,
811
00:48:06,258 --> 00:48:07,259
where are they found?
812
00:48:08,931 --> 00:48:12,142
It goes on and on, man, and
not everyone agrees.
813
00:48:12,229 --> 00:48:14,481
That's what makes it so good.
814
00:48:14,567 --> 00:48:16,252
No friction,
you have no movement.
815
00:48:18,367 --> 00:48:20,869
The universe was created
with an explosion.
816
00:48:20,955 --> 00:48:22,957
And, man, that
friction arose everything.
817
00:48:25,548 --> 00:48:27,675
His music is always about that.
818
00:48:36,821 --> 00:48:40,700
About a year
After its launch in 1965,
819
00:48:40,788 --> 00:48:43,541
radio stations
They were starting to receive requests.
820
00:48:43,627 --> 00:48:46,005
for "The Sound of Silence."
821
00:48:46,090 --> 00:48:48,426
So while I was in England,
822
00:48:48,512 --> 00:48:51,390
Tom Wilson returned to
studio and overdubbed
823
00:48:51,477 --> 00:48:54,897
tools
electrical and batteries.
824
00:48:54,984 --> 00:48:58,196
to the acoustic version
with the same
825
00:48:58,282 --> 00:49:00,201
musicians he used in
the dylan sessions
826
00:49:00,286 --> 00:49:03,039
when Dylan went electric.
827
00:49:03,125 --> 00:49:07,421
They sent it to me,
I listened and said, okay.
828
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:09,303
Did you, or was it you,
was it you initially?
829
00:49:09,388 --> 00:49:10,807
Weren't you upset at first?
830
00:49:10,892 --> 00:49:12,727
No, no, I wasn't upset.
831
00:49:12,813 --> 00:49:16,480
What's up with Tom Wilson
is that, when he suggested something,
832
00:49:16,564 --> 00:49:19,490
you thought it was good
because it was very cool.
833
00:49:19,576 --> 00:49:21,787
It was like, yeah, try it.
again, great.
834
00:49:21,872 --> 00:49:23,415
What do I have to lose?
835
00:49:23,501 --> 00:49:28,965
sound of silence
836
00:49:29,054 --> 00:49:33,934
I walked alone
837
00:49:34,022 --> 00:49:38,318
of cobblestones
838
00:49:38,407 --> 00:49:42,494
of a streetlight
839
00:49:42,582 --> 00:49:46,002
the cold and humidity
840
00:49:46,089 --> 00:49:48,133
and began to
become a success.
841
00:49:48,218 --> 00:49:54,141
by the flash of a neon light
842
00:49:54,231 --> 00:49:57,484
843
00:49:57,571 --> 00:49:58,989
844
00:49:59,074 --> 00:50:00,534
The record continued to rise.
845
00:50:00,620 --> 00:50:02,079
846
00:50:02,164 --> 00:50:04,132
And Columbia wanted it
will return to the US.
847
00:50:04,219 --> 00:50:08,882
And a week after
my return, it reached number one.
848
00:50:08,970 --> 00:50:13,350
And I said to myself, my life
has changed irrevocably.
849
00:50:13,437 --> 00:50:17,107
850
00:50:17,195 --> 00:50:21,532
they hear without listening
851
00:50:21,621 --> 00:50:24,874
852
00:50:24,962 --> 00:50:29,132
853
00:50:29,220 --> 00:50:32,390
854
00:50:32,477 --> 00:50:35,105
855
00:50:35,191 --> 00:50:38,444
856
00:50:38,531 --> 00:50:42,910
857
00:50:42,999 --> 00:50:47,336
like a cancer
858
00:50:47,425 --> 00:50:49,267
What could I teach you?
859
00:50:51,267 --> 00:50:55,238
Your music has become
omnipresent everywhere.
860
00:50:55,526 --> 00:50:57,444
It's in elevators.
It's in the supermarkets.
861
00:50:57,529 --> 00:51:00,144
Now how do you react
when you hear it in an elevator?
862
00:51:00,227 --> 00:51:02,086
and he does it...
- I love it in an elevator.
863
00:51:02,171 --> 00:51:03,564
...Milwaukee Strings or anyone?
864
00:51:03,650 --> 00:51:04,643
That...
865
00:51:04,727 --> 00:51:08,048
I like it in the elevator. Really
I do it. I'm not kidding.
866
00:51:08,135 --> 00:51:10,179
I like to listen to it there.
867
00:51:10,264 --> 00:51:12,275
The funniest thing about
listen to your music
868
00:51:12,357 --> 00:51:14,044
It's when you walk down the street,
869
00:51:14,130 --> 00:51:15,648
and you hear someone hum it
870
00:51:15,734 --> 00:51:17,152
walking in the opposite direction.
871
00:51:17,236 --> 00:51:19,322
- Yes. Yes.
- That's a tremendous emotion.
872
00:51:19,408 --> 00:51:22,828
In reality, it is a
privilege, you know, to be...
873
00:51:22,915 --> 00:51:28,164
be in a position where
people like what you do
874
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:31,846
and accept what you do,
uh, up to that point.
875
00:51:31,934 --> 00:51:33,435
It's a privilege.
876
00:51:33,521 --> 00:51:36,524
877
00:51:36,610 --> 00:51:38,112
878
00:51:38,197 --> 00:51:40,116
879
00:51:40,201 --> 00:51:42,203
If the pure protest song
880
00:51:42,288 --> 00:51:45,217
They never had great commercial success
in the field of pop song,
881
00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:47,755
a group of folk singers
rock known collectively
882
00:51:47,842 --> 00:51:50,553
How did they do it Simon?
and Garfunkel with a guy
883
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:52,808
different from comment
about society.
884
00:51:52,893 --> 00:51:56,939
885
00:51:57,027 --> 00:51:59,469
Paul Simon,
team composer,
886
00:51:59,551 --> 00:52:03,161
and Art Garfunkel, arranger
vocal e instrumental,
887
00:52:03,248 --> 00:52:05,333
They are creators of
songs in a real sense
888
00:52:05,420 --> 00:52:07,589
under the interpretation
and packaging.
889
00:52:07,674 --> 00:52:09,926
their own
musical compositions.
890
00:52:10,013 --> 00:52:13,600
891
00:52:13,687 --> 00:52:16,857
I want the sound
be like the one you put
892
00:52:16,943 --> 00:52:20,155
it's like you have
a bag of hops...
893
00:52:20,242 --> 00:52:23,996
What is the name of that material you wrap?
How do I eat flour in large boxes of flour?
894
00:52:24,083 --> 00:52:25,835
And it should be like...
895
00:52:25,921 --> 00:52:29,132
a knife cuts it and
then the flour spills out.
896
00:52:29,219 --> 00:52:32,138
897
00:52:32,225 --> 00:52:34,143
898
00:52:34,229 --> 00:52:36,231
These are songs
popular such as
899
00:52:36,317 --> 00:52:38,486
are listened to and
known to the public.
900
00:52:38,571 --> 00:52:41,366
through disks and
personal actions.
901
00:52:41,452 --> 00:52:43,496
How are they made?
902
00:52:43,581 --> 00:52:47,043
What does creation entail?
from a popular song?
903
00:52:48,801 --> 00:52:50,386
Can you hold it for a second?
904
00:52:50,471 --> 00:52:53,432
I just want to record this
so you can hear it.
905
00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:55,562
One, two, three, two.
906
00:53:01,118 --> 00:53:04,362
After "Sound
of Silence" was a success,
907
00:53:04,446 --> 00:53:06,752
we go in and record
the songs.
908
00:53:06,838 --> 00:53:10,216
what I had written when
I was in England.
909
00:53:10,304 --> 00:53:13,307
Paul has his hands full
writing the songs. Am...
910
00:53:13,393 --> 00:53:16,265
I rarely do anything more than
react to lyrics and music
911
00:53:16,348 --> 00:53:18,609
What occurs to Paul,
although occasionally
912
00:53:18,696 --> 00:53:21,115
I prefer a change
lyrics because I'm...
913
00:53:21,201 --> 00:53:23,884
because I'm thinking about
the harmony that I want to use,
914
00:53:23,966 --> 00:53:26,125
and I know that a change
melodic will suit me better.
915
00:53:26,211 --> 00:53:29,840
I was on a kick
existential for a while.
916
00:53:29,927 --> 00:53:32,764
I wrote a song
called "Patterns".
917
00:53:32,850 --> 00:53:37,093
I worried about the fact
that our lives
918
00:53:37,178 --> 00:53:40,863
were divided
in so many patterns
919
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:44,120
about which
we had no control.
920
00:53:44,207 --> 00:53:48,462
The color of your skin, the fact
What do you die from, what is your name.
921
00:53:49,551 --> 00:53:51,624
That song must
produce in the listener
922
00:53:51,706 --> 00:53:54,558
a feeling of involvement
and then a catharsis.
923
00:53:57,442 --> 00:54:02,155
Tom Wilson left
Columbia and went to MGM.
924
00:54:02,244 --> 00:54:05,163
Then Roy Halee
He became our engineer.
925
00:54:05,251 --> 00:54:07,378
- You're recording.
- Let's go.
926
00:54:07,463 --> 00:54:10,675
One, two, one, two, three.
927
00:54:16,524 --> 00:54:20,236
And since then
stayed with us.
928
00:54:21,868 --> 00:54:24,620
Roy, Artie and me
we made those records.
929
00:54:26,294 --> 00:54:29,130
I had that
artistic temperament.
930
00:54:29,216 --> 00:54:32,720
You know, Roy could take
a control room and do it right.
931
00:54:32,807 --> 00:54:36,227
He was just a technician
super qualified.
932
00:54:36,315 --> 00:54:39,485
which also had
a great ear, you know?
933
00:54:39,571 --> 00:54:42,606
Roy was a wonderful engineer
I thought about sounds
934
00:54:42,689 --> 00:54:45,830
at the time when it began
to listen to the songs.
935
00:54:45,918 --> 00:54:48,962
and so it became
co-producer because he did
936
00:54:49,049 --> 00:54:51,760
more than simply
make clean recordings.
937
00:54:51,846 --> 00:54:55,266
He made creative sound collages.
938
00:54:55,354 --> 00:54:58,774
I think of him as the third
member of our triumvirate.
939
00:54:59,872 --> 00:55:01,448
You know, we're workaholics.
940
00:55:01,534 --> 00:55:02,735
We are shooting on the 11th.
941
00:55:02,819 --> 00:55:04,663
I was forced to do
So many takes, you know?
942
00:55:04,748 --> 00:55:06,208
This is with the fingers now.
943
00:55:06,293 --> 00:55:08,003
Good.
944
00:55:08,089 --> 00:55:09,999
I would say, how was that?
That's a good one.
945
00:55:10,084 --> 00:55:12,720
He said, "It is. It's good.
โItโsโฆitโs good.โ
946
00:55:12,807 --> 00:55:14,141
I was like, "Well, isn't that good?"
947
00:55:14,226 --> 00:55:16,595
Oh, no, no, no, it's
a little out of tune.
948
00:55:16,682 --> 00:55:18,391
but really
nothing you couldn't...
949
00:55:18,477 --> 00:55:20,371
Okay, I'll do it again.
950
00:55:20,656 --> 00:55:22,497
I made a mistake. Come on
to try again.
951
00:55:22,579 --> 00:55:24,036
What happened?
- I made a mistake.
952
00:55:24,122 --> 00:55:25,798
- Vocally?
- Deep breathing.
953
00:55:28,338 --> 00:55:29,673
Let's see what this is.
954
00:55:29,758 --> 00:55:32,983
To my surprise, I didn't even know
that these things still existed.
955
00:55:33,066 --> 00:55:34,850
I thought they had
lost these things.
956
00:55:34,935 --> 00:55:38,689
No, they have the
"Bridge" multitracks.
957
00:55:38,776 --> 00:55:41,112
It's quite surprising
that this still exists.
958
00:55:45,791 --> 00:55:48,252
Roy, he truly was an innovator.
959
00:55:48,338 --> 00:55:52,759
We keep falling into
adventures and discoveries.
960
00:55:59,987 --> 00:56:02,406
"Cecilia" was just a clue
rhythmic, approximately
961
00:56:02,493 --> 00:56:05,579
one minute and 15
seconds, and it looped.
962
00:56:05,666 --> 00:56:10,483
We literally went for a loop
tape with two or three machines,
963
00:56:10,568 --> 00:56:13,303
and we keep giving
round and round.
964
00:56:17,022 --> 00:56:20,984
breaking the heart
965
00:56:21,072 --> 00:56:23,282
The vocal sound of
Simon y Garfunkel...
966
00:56:23,369 --> 00:56:26,038
Roy invented that, you know?
967
00:56:26,125 --> 00:56:30,963
I'm on my knees
968
00:56:31,051 --> 00:56:33,512
We both sang in a
microphone close enough
969
00:56:33,598 --> 00:56:35,951
from each other so that
We could really mingle.
970
00:56:36,036 --> 00:56:37,213
Let's take another one.
971
00:56:37,898 --> 00:56:40,425
Play me a little and
I'll take the tempo again.
972
00:56:41,781 --> 00:56:44,743
I would capture that mix
a couple of times...
973
00:56:44,830 --> 00:56:49,042
my confidence daily
974
00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:51,674
975
00:56:51,761 --> 00:56:54,930
...have multiple tracks
which combined into the mix.
976
00:56:55,018 --> 00:56:58,062
that you come home
977
00:56:58,149 --> 00:57:01,694
978
00:57:01,782 --> 00:57:03,950
979
00:57:04,036 --> 00:57:08,415
my confidence daily
980
00:57:08,504 --> 00:57:10,714
As soon as you heard
That, it was like, there it is.
981
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,971
I'm on my knees
982
00:57:16,061 --> 00:57:19,898
that you come home
983
00:57:19,985 --> 00:57:21,779
984
00:57:29,588 --> 00:57:32,800
In "The Boxer", that's the drum
985
00:57:32,887 --> 00:57:36,599
that Roy recorded in the
elevator shaft.
986
00:57:36,687 --> 00:57:39,147
They were probably
eight floors that they placed
987
00:57:39,234 --> 00:57:41,444
the drummer in the background
of the elevator shaft.
988
00:57:41,530 --> 00:57:42,781
989
00:57:42,867 --> 00:57:44,952
990
00:57:45,037 --> 00:57:47,123
lie-la-lie
991
00:57:47,208 --> 00:57:49,794
992
00:57:49,881 --> 00:57:52,675
lie-la-lie
993
00:57:52,761 --> 00:57:55,933
The horns and things
that come at the end,
994
00:57:56,017 --> 00:57:58,313
They were recorded in San Pablo.
995
00:58:13,931 --> 00:58:17,109
"The Only Living Boy in
New York", the harmonies,
996
00:58:17,192 --> 00:58:21,107
we overdubbed them seven times
inside an echo chamber.
997
00:58:23,115 --> 00:58:30,039
998
00:58:32,218 --> 00:58:39,218
999
00:58:44,744 --> 00:58:49,499
in New York
1000
00:58:49,587 --> 00:58:52,132
in New York
1001
00:58:56,101 --> 00:58:58,878
When we were working on
"Bridge over troubled waters",
1002
00:58:58,965 --> 00:59:03,862
the song, we spend two or three
days arranging the piano part.
1003
00:59:03,950 --> 00:59:08,955
We add the bass,
the strings and the drums.
1004
00:59:09,044 --> 00:59:12,964
And Roy was the first to carry
two 8-track machines
1005
00:59:13,053 --> 00:59:16,139
and synchronize them and
record them on 16 tracks.
1006
00:59:16,225 --> 00:59:19,312
But one day, when I came in,
He told me: "Listen to this.
1007
00:59:19,398 --> 00:59:21,633
You won't believe it
what happened here "
1008
00:59:27,917 --> 00:59:30,836
The two machines were
slightly out of sync.
1009
00:59:30,923 --> 00:59:33,175
So for the battery...
1010
00:59:39,607 --> 00:59:41,192
...instead of listening...
1011
00:59:41,277 --> 00:59:44,197
Did you hear...
1012
00:59:47,707 --> 00:59:54,089
over troubled waters
1013
00:59:54,179 --> 01:00:00,602
That rhythmic rhythm that was at
end was an accident that he heard
1014
01:00:00,692 --> 01:00:04,237
and like any
good musician, he knew,
1015
01:00:04,324 --> 01:00:06,118
"Ah, I can take advantage of this accident."
1016
01:00:06,203 --> 01:00:07,496
This is great.
1017
01:00:07,582 --> 01:00:09,292
I was very excited.
1018
01:00:17,686 --> 01:00:21,190
Okay, I'm going to record this now so that
You hear it when he calls again.
1019
01:00:21,276 --> 01:00:23,486
We will continue playing it
so you can have your ideas.
1020
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:26,470
Move your chair a little,
I want to be more focused
1021
01:00:26,552 --> 01:00:28,552
Well now you will be
more focused
1022
01:00:41,318 --> 01:00:43,528
1023
01:00:43,614 --> 01:00:48,994
1024
01:00:49,084 --> 01:00:52,045
1025
01:00:52,131 --> 01:00:57,595
1026
01:00:57,685 --> 01:01:00,604
1027
01:01:00,691 --> 01:01:05,112
1028
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,619
1029
01:01:07,706 --> 01:01:12,377
1030
01:01:12,465 --> 01:01:14,134
How did you get involved?
en The Graduate?
1031
01:01:14,219 --> 01:01:15,220
How did the idea come about?
1032
01:01:15,305 --> 01:01:16,889
Mike Nichols called.
1033
01:01:16,975 --> 01:01:19,128
And then I was
in the middle of the movie.
1034
01:01:19,210 --> 01:01:22,733
It was almost finished and we
convinced to make the music.
1035
01:01:22,820 --> 01:01:26,991
And the music was supposed to be,
mostly original music.
1036
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:31,417
snow covered ground
1037
01:01:31,504 --> 01:01:37,093
1038
01:01:37,183 --> 01:01:39,685
1039
01:01:39,772 --> 01:01:43,025
a true love of mine
1040
01:01:43,112 --> 01:01:45,446
I started working on it and,
1041
01:01:45,528 --> 01:01:47,524
a few months later,
Mike said:
1042
01:01:47,606 --> 01:01:51,375
"You know, we've been using
your music as a temporary track,
1043
01:01:51,463 --> 01:01:54,007
but it's so good that
I think we really want
1044
01:01:54,093 --> 01:01:56,970
keep it in
movie as is. "
1045
01:02:03,404 --> 01:02:08,700
1046
01:02:10,752 --> 01:02:16,091
ripe and grown with the rain
1047
01:02:16,180 --> 01:02:21,561
1048
01:02:22,944 --> 01:02:27,407
1049
01:02:28,873 --> 01:02:31,041
Listen to me.
1050
01:02:31,128 --> 01:02:33,514
I am the brother of
Dr. Smith, Reverend Smith.
1051
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,602
and I'm supposed to
I must perform the ceremony.
1052
01:02:35,687 --> 01:02:38,891
I just got back from Portland and
I forgot which church, see?
1053
01:02:38,977 --> 01:02:40,504
Oh well, I'm not sure,
1054
01:02:40,586 --> 01:02:43,233
but you could try
the First Presbyterian.
1055
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,239
- That's on Allen Street.
- Gracias.
1056
01:02:46,326 --> 01:02:48,661
Allen Street, where is it?
1057
01:02:48,748 --> 01:02:51,000
Allen, eh, it, eh...
1058
01:02:51,085 --> 01:02:54,672
The only new song
The one he picked up was "Mrs. Robinson."
1059
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,596
that was incomplete
at the time of filming.
1060
01:02:57,682 --> 01:02:59,184
Do you need gas, father?
1061
01:03:05,533 --> 01:03:07,660
La "Mrs. Robinson"
It was invented on the spot.
1062
01:03:07,745 --> 01:03:09,504
Originally if
I assumed it was a...
1063
01:03:09,586 --> 01:03:12,293
That was a chase scene.
and they wanted guitar music.
1064
01:03:12,380 --> 01:03:13,714
And I was playing, huh...
1065
01:03:13,799 --> 01:03:15,217
Oh, it didn't taste like
what was playing.
1066
01:03:15,302 --> 01:03:17,713
I was just doing
riffs with the guitar, and I...
1067
01:03:20,730 --> 01:03:21,815
I was doing this.
1068
01:03:30,792 --> 01:03:33,753
And I had been fooling around
with a song that was, uh...
1069
01:03:33,841 --> 01:03:36,719
I was singing...
1070
01:03:36,805 --> 01:03:39,600
usted, Mrs. Robinson
1071
01:03:39,686 --> 01:03:41,969
of what you will know
1072
01:03:42,051 --> 01:03:44,386
Without any specific reason.
I didn't have anything in mind.
1073
01:03:44,469 --> 01:03:46,197
Did that just occur to you?
1074
01:03:46,283 --> 01:03:47,901
Yeah, boy, just in my head.
1075
01:03:47,987 --> 01:03:49,204
1076
01:03:49,289 --> 01:03:50,682
And then the next line was...
1077
01:03:50,767 --> 01:03:54,296
favor, Sra. Roosevelt
1078
01:03:54,383 --> 01:03:56,886
for those who pray
1079
01:03:56,971 --> 01:03:59,140
It was Mrs. Roosevelt,
1080
01:03:59,226 --> 01:04:01,646
and then he said, uh, well,
We could just...
1081
01:04:01,731 --> 01:04:04,282
That would change a lot
movie plot, right?
1082
01:04:04,369 --> 01:04:05,311
Yeah.
1083
01:04:08,412 --> 01:04:11,978
Since there was nothing but
that chorus and no lyrics,
1084
01:04:12,061 --> 01:04:15,005
and we invented it in the
act, we sing, uh, uh...
1085
01:04:17,389 --> 01:04:19,849
1086
01:04:19,936 --> 01:04:21,979
1087
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:26,863
dee-dee-dee
1088
01:04:29,622 --> 01:04:35,378
dee-dee-dee-dee, dee-dee-dee
1089
01:04:35,467 --> 01:04:38,971
1090
01:04:39,058 --> 01:04:42,895
usted, Mrs. Robinson
1091
01:04:42,983 --> 01:04:45,652
of what you will know
1092
01:04:45,739 --> 01:04:48,533
1093
01:04:48,619 --> 01:04:51,873
1094
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:56,006
smile at those who pray
1095
01:04:56,093 --> 01:04:58,679
1096
01:04:58,766 --> 01:05:00,225
1097
01:05:07,283 --> 01:05:09,869
We had a small
stand and we watched.
1098
01:05:09,955 --> 01:05:11,957
And, like, when the
car slows down,
1099
01:05:12,043 --> 01:05:14,212
I'm playing live
to see the image.
1100
01:05:29,871 --> 01:05:31,665
I came across
Mel Brooks the other day.
1101
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:33,085
Yeah.
1102
01:05:33,170 --> 01:05:37,299
He said he had no idea how miserable
that that song had made his life.
1103
01:05:37,387 --> 01:05:38,597
Oh really.
1104
01:05:39,082 --> 01:05:40,600
- Yeah.
-His wife is Annie Bancroft.
1105
01:05:40,686 --> 01:05:42,040
That's right, his wife, right.
1106
01:05:42,565 --> 01:05:44,316
ยกElaine!
1107
01:05:45,029 --> 01:05:46,530
- ยกElaine!
- I'll take care of him.
1108
01:05:46,614 --> 01:05:47,782
It's already too late.
1109
01:05:47,868 --> 01:05:50,120
So wherever
what they were, is...
1110
01:05:50,205 --> 01:05:51,957
1111
01:05:52,042 --> 01:05:53,627
Yeah.
1112
01:05:53,713 --> 01:05:56,883
usted, Mrs. Robinson
1113
01:05:56,969 --> 01:06:00,723
of what you will know
1114
01:06:00,810 --> 01:06:02,854
1115
01:06:02,940 --> 01:06:06,402
favor, Mrs. Robinson
1116
01:06:06,488 --> 01:06:10,326
for those who pray
1117
01:06:10,414 --> 01:06:12,708
1118
01:06:12,793 --> 01:06:13,878
1119
01:06:18,347 --> 01:06:21,892
where no one ever goes
1120
01:06:24,108 --> 01:06:26,778
with your cupcakes
1121
01:06:28,952 --> 01:06:34,540
just the Robinson thing
1122
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:37,883
hide it from the children
1123
01:06:37,971 --> 01:06:40,053
1124
01:06:40,135 --> 01:06:42,102
How did Joe DiMaggio get there?
1125
01:06:42,188 --> 01:06:43,964
Was he playing
the ball with the lady
1126
01:06:44,050 --> 01:06:46,603
Roosevelt in your
mind or something or...?
1127
01:06:46,990 --> 01:06:52,412
It is very pleasant to write in a
stream of consciousness style.
1128
01:06:52,501 --> 01:06:56,776
And very often you find that
what you have in mind is relevant,
1129
01:06:56,860 --> 01:06:59,203
although for him
moment it doesn't seem like it.
1130
01:06:59,289 --> 01:07:03,310
And while I was writing, uh,
I had no idea he would say that,
1131
01:07:03,398 --> 01:07:06,484
but I said, "Where
Have you been, Joe DiMaggio?
1132
01:07:06,572 --> 01:07:09,450
A nation returns to
you his lonely eyes. "
1133
01:07:09,536 --> 01:07:13,457
And then the next line, not the
I had one, but I invented one and put it on.
1134
01:07:13,544 --> 01:07:16,172
And then I asked myself
What did it mean?
1135
01:07:16,258 --> 01:07:19,678
And I said, well, it means something.
1136
01:07:19,766 --> 01:07:22,185
It will mean something.
1137
01:07:22,270 --> 01:07:25,523
dice, Mrs. Robinson?
1138
01:07:25,611 --> 01:07:28,989
1139
01:07:29,077 --> 01:07:33,247
hey, hey, hey, hey
1140
01:07:48,784 --> 01:07:51,870
"Dear Art and Paul, please consider
1141
01:07:51,957 --> 01:07:54,126
this is your invitation
official to appear.
1142
01:07:54,211 --> 01:07:56,797
at the International Festival
by Monterey Pop
1143
01:07:56,883 --> 01:08:01,221
on one of the nights
on June 16, 17 or 18.
1144
01:08:01,309 --> 01:08:03,311
As described,
will act free of charge.
1145
01:08:04,482 --> 01:08:06,276
On the other hand, any
transport expense
1146
01:08:06,361 --> 01:08:09,447
and related accommodation
with your assistance
1147
01:08:09,535 --> 01:08:11,996
will be borne by
the festival commission.
1148
01:08:12,081 --> 01:08:15,960
Sincerely, Festival
International Pop of Monterey. "
1149
01:08:17,551 --> 01:08:21,305
you move too fast
1150
01:08:21,392 --> 01:08:24,103
may the morning last
1151
01:08:24,190 --> 01:08:27,651
knocking down the cobblestones
1152
01:08:27,739 --> 01:08:31,993
and feel great
1153
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,058
In Monterey Pop we went
one of the great acts
1154
01:08:35,141 --> 01:08:36,963
and we closed the first night.
1155
01:08:37,050 --> 01:08:38,550
1156
01:08:38,636 --> 01:08:41,556
But we were never part of
none of the movements.
1157
01:08:41,643 --> 01:08:43,228
1158
01:08:43,313 --> 01:08:45,065
1159
01:08:45,150 --> 01:08:48,027
1160
01:08:48,114 --> 01:08:50,659
We were not known
as political people.
1161
01:08:50,745 --> 01:08:53,081
We were not known
like drug traffickers.
1162
01:08:53,165 --> 01:08:54,875
1163
01:08:54,961 --> 01:08:57,055
There were quite a few
reviews that thought
1164
01:08:57,139 --> 01:08:58,842
that we were very
square and cheesy.
1165
01:08:58,928 --> 01:09:02,932
feeling great
1166
01:09:03,020 --> 01:09:05,939
Monterey is so cool, man.
1167
01:09:06,026 --> 01:09:08,504
This is something, man.
This is our generation, man.
1168
01:09:08,790 --> 01:09:10,734
All of you, we are
all together, man.
1169
01:09:10,819 --> 01:09:12,454
It's great, so look into it yourself.
1170
01:09:12,539 --> 01:09:14,125
None of the acts
Americans
1171
01:09:14,210 --> 01:09:16,087
it looked nothing like
to English acts.
1172
01:09:16,172 --> 01:09:19,134
Nobody, not even Grateful
Dead, ni Janis Joplin.
1173
01:09:19,220 --> 01:09:21,097
1174
01:09:21,181 --> 01:09:25,061
Most of the
people were hippies.
1175
01:09:25,149 --> 01:09:27,215
Nobody had ever seen
nothing like The Who,
1176
01:09:27,298 --> 01:09:29,113
you know, destroying
their guitars.
1177
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:30,826
I mean,
I was ashamed.
1178
01:09:30,910 --> 01:09:32,579
I used to think, God,
when I was a child,
1179
01:09:32,664 --> 01:09:35,459
I had to save a lot
to buy me a guitar.
1180
01:09:35,545 --> 01:09:37,254
Do you know you're going to destroy it?
1181
01:09:41,015 --> 01:09:44,611
Hendrix, I don't know if the fire was part
of your act all the time or not,
1182
01:09:44,695 --> 01:09:47,275
but things were going
getting wilder.
1183
01:09:48,865 --> 01:09:51,291
And we felt that we should
start expressing
1184
01:09:51,373 --> 01:09:53,329
what i felt
our generation.
1185
01:10:17,757 --> 01:10:20,510
1186
01:10:20,596 --> 01:10:23,057
she was sleeping
1187
01:10:25,774 --> 01:10:32,114
and I don't know why
1188
01:10:32,204 --> 01:10:35,791
New Jersey Turnpike
1189
01:10:35,879 --> 01:10:42,760
1190
01:10:42,851 --> 01:10:49,483
1191
01:10:49,573 --> 01:10:51,575
1192
01:10:51,661 --> 01:10:54,122
birthday is coming
Beethoven number 200.
1193
01:10:54,208 --> 01:10:55,751
- Did you know that...?
- No.
1194
01:10:55,836 --> 01:10:58,839
1970 is 200 years.
1195
01:10:58,926 --> 01:11:01,803
Soon the
someone else's 200th birthday.
1196
01:11:01,890 --> 01:11:03,350
- 200th birthday?
- Yeah.
1197
01:11:03,435 --> 01:11:05,145
-Who is that?
- USA.
1198
01:11:10,115 --> 01:11:11,450
Do you think it will arrive?
1199
01:11:14,123 --> 01:11:18,628
They offered us a special
with ATandT as sponsor
1200
01:11:18,716 --> 01:11:23,513
and we decided that the program
I would have a political idea.
1201
01:11:23,602 --> 01:11:25,563
and I don't know why
1202
01:11:25,648 --> 01:11:30,319
We didn't go in there looking for a fight.
1203
01:11:30,408 --> 01:11:32,535
We thought that
we were expressing
1204
01:11:32,620 --> 01:11:34,505
the simple truth of
what is happening.
1205
01:11:34,591 --> 01:11:39,738
looking for America
1206
01:11:40,429 --> 01:11:43,765
As obvious as it is
that we shouldn't
1207
01:11:43,852 --> 01:11:46,438
be in vietnam
or as obvious as it is
1208
01:11:46,524 --> 01:11:49,115
that people die
of hunger in this country,
1209
01:11:49,198 --> 01:11:52,783
until they stop the war,
until they feed the people,
1210
01:11:52,871 --> 01:11:54,623
It is a function of the
people point it out
1211
01:11:54,708 --> 01:11:56,793
and remind us continually.
1212
01:11:58,966 --> 01:12:00,551
But in reality, it
only one I remember
1213
01:12:00,637 --> 01:12:03,264
that's what
naive that we were.
1214
01:12:03,351 --> 01:12:06,604
that we thought that
everyone was liberal.
1215
01:12:06,691 --> 01:12:09,235
However, I think that
much of what we say,
1216
01:12:09,321 --> 01:12:11,573
of what we say, yeah
not everything we say,
1217
01:12:11,660 --> 01:12:14,079
It's extremely obvious.
1218
01:12:16,001 --> 01:12:19,463
1219
01:12:21,681 --> 01:12:25,768
1220
01:12:25,855 --> 01:12:27,774
1221
01:12:27,859 --> 01:12:32,948
1222
01:12:33,037 --> 01:12:37,458
1223
01:12:37,546 --> 01:12:42,884
1224
01:12:42,974 --> 01:12:44,684
During "Bridge Over
troubled waters",
1225
01:12:44,769 --> 01:12:48,231
which was the first time
it was reproduced somewhere,
1226
01:12:48,318 --> 01:12:54,992
we show images of
Kennedy, the train and Bobby,
1227
01:12:55,082 --> 01:12:58,753
and images of
Martin Luther King.
1228
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,218
And the producer said, "You can't
just stay with those three."
1229
01:13:02,306 --> 01:13:03,849
And we said, "Why?"
1230
01:13:03,934 --> 01:13:05,819
And they said, "Well,
"They are all democrats."
1231
01:13:05,905 --> 01:13:07,523
And we were like, โReally?
1232
01:13:07,608 --> 01:13:10,360
We think that everyone
they were killed. "
1233
01:13:10,447 --> 01:13:16,912
over troubled waters
1234
01:13:17,002 --> 01:13:18,796
Why am I going to make this album?
1235
01:13:18,881 --> 01:13:20,883
What is the goal of this album?
1236
01:13:20,969 --> 01:13:23,388
The world is falling apart.
1237
01:13:23,474 --> 01:13:26,393
Chaos, what the hell
is all this about?
1238
01:13:37,378 --> 01:13:40,464
time has changed
all those songs,
1239
01:13:40,552 --> 01:13:43,304
also from a
very interesting way.
1240
01:13:45,687 --> 01:13:50,275
You turn all this over and look at it
from a different perspective.
1241
01:13:50,363 --> 01:13:52,282
Like "Bridge over
troubled waters."
1242
01:13:52,367 --> 01:13:56,454
that became something
more than a pop song.
1243
01:14:02,305 --> 01:14:06,017
1244
01:14:09,612 --> 01:14:13,073
1245
01:14:14,580 --> 01:14:16,582
1246
01:14:19,006 --> 01:14:21,926
1247
01:14:22,012 --> 01:14:25,849
are on the way
1248
01:14:25,937 --> 01:14:29,523
-
-
1249
01:14:29,611 --> 01:14:34,366
1250
01:14:36,041 --> 01:14:42,047
you need a friend
1251
01:14:42,136 --> 01:14:43,972
1252
01:14:44,057 --> 01:14:45,725
1253
01:14:45,811 --> 01:14:49,314
1254
01:14:49,402 --> 01:14:52,571
1255
01:14:52,658 --> 01:14:55,327
1256
01:14:55,414 --> 01:14:58,917
1257
01:14:59,005 --> 01:15:00,423
1258
01:15:00,508 --> 01:15:03,302
1259
01:15:03,389 --> 01:15:04,765
1260
01:15:04,850 --> 01:15:07,352
1261
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,941
1262
01:15:10,028 --> 01:15:12,780
1263
01:15:34,244 --> 01:15:38,373
1264
01:15:38,461 --> 01:15:43,091
of the darkness,
1265
01:15:43,179 --> 01:15:47,225
1266
01:15:47,313 --> 01:15:51,400
beautiful song
1267
01:15:51,488 --> 01:15:56,284
and sing for everyone
1268
01:15:56,373 --> 01:16:00,961
1269
01:16:01,049 --> 01:16:04,094
1270
01:16:04,181 --> 01:16:09,228
reflect on the code
1271
01:16:09,316 --> 01:16:12,111
1272
01:16:12,197 --> 01:16:14,116
In the word "cold",
It's a G chord.
1273
01:16:14,201 --> 01:16:15,792
It's "code", C...
- ยก"Code"!
1274
01:16:15,874 --> 01:16:18,366
"Reflect on
the code of forgiveness. "
1275
01:16:18,452 --> 01:16:20,822
Code is code is
Absolutely crucial to...
1276
01:16:21,108 --> 01:16:22,926
Oh, absolutely,
It is a digital code.
1277
01:16:23,012 --> 01:16:23,963
I understand.
1278
01:16:24,047 --> 01:16:25,848
...to what is happening
in that verse.
1279
01:16:25,934 --> 01:16:27,019
Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes.
1280
01:16:27,103 --> 01:16:29,939
It's reflecting, reflecting
about the code of forgiveness.
1281
01:16:30,026 --> 01:16:31,944
Bueno.
1282
01:16:32,030 --> 01:16:33,156
Bueno.
1283
01:16:36,414 --> 01:16:41,336
1284
01:16:41,424 --> 01:16:46,221
doors are not closed
1285
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:49,480
1286
01:16:49,566 --> 01:16:52,986
I feel that probably
we could have done it,
1287
01:16:53,074 --> 01:16:56,494
"And I, the last in
the line, waiting
1288
01:16:56,581 --> 01:16:58,333
that the doors do not close
1289
01:16:58,418 --> 01:17:00,003
before your forgiveness. "
1290
01:17:00,088 --> 01:17:02,757
There's something about loneliness
1291
01:17:02,843 --> 01:17:07,348
of the only instrument
because there's the guy
1292
01:17:07,436 --> 01:17:09,355
he's just the last one in line.
1293
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:11,693
There's something... you know, there's something
1294
01:17:11,779 --> 01:17:13,948
There is a small void
there... that can happen.
1295
01:17:17,624 --> 01:17:19,293
- Let's play...
- That's very good.
1296
01:17:19,378 --> 01:17:21,088
...and see what that does.
1297
01:17:33,574 --> 01:17:35,242
Okay, wait.
1298
01:17:35,328 --> 01:17:40,291
Can you touch? when you touch
this, don't make it pretty.
1299
01:17:57,039 --> 01:18:01,335
1300
01:18:04,554 --> 01:18:09,142
1301
01:18:11,068 --> 01:18:13,987
of beats and out
1302
01:18:18,625 --> 01:18:22,838
in the last parade
1303
01:18:24,805 --> 01:18:29,726
What is happening with the
song is just a debate, you know?
1304
01:18:29,815 --> 01:18:32,443
"Oh, okay, I guess.
Oh, I don't know.
1305
01:18:32,529 --> 01:18:33,964
Maybe I don't believe it. No... "
1306
01:18:34,049 --> 01:18:37,686
in the waters of heaven
1307
01:18:37,874 --> 01:18:41,711
1308
01:18:41,798 --> 01:18:45,093
in the waters of heaven
1309
01:18:48,812 --> 01:18:54,067
in a drop of condensation
1310
01:18:54,157 --> 01:18:56,117
I was sitting next to him and
1311
01:18:56,203 --> 01:18:58,446
He sang it all, like in my ear.
1312
01:18:58,533 --> 01:18:59,751
It was very smooth.
1313
01:18:59,835 --> 01:19:03,297
And then I could
hear it, the symbolism.
1314
01:19:03,384 --> 01:19:06,012
How the limitation
of your belief always
1315
01:19:06,098 --> 01:19:09,477
tends to be linked
to your conception
1316
01:19:09,563 --> 01:19:13,944
of your mortality in the sense of
that you are part of the flow of a thing.
1317
01:19:17,247 --> 01:19:21,669
It's a dawn and it's a
sunset, transfiguration.
1318
01:19:22,757 --> 01:19:27,011
1319
01:19:28,394 --> 01:19:30,980
I'm still not
sure of what I want.
1320
01:19:31,066 --> 01:19:35,988
relieves pain
1321
01:19:36,077 --> 01:19:40,373
of beats and out
1322
01:19:42,757 --> 01:19:45,760
1323
01:19:45,847 --> 01:19:49,017
1324
01:20:05,304 --> 01:20:07,723
in the waters of heaven
1325
01:20:07,808 --> 01:20:09,185
One more time.
1326
01:20:14,823 --> 01:20:16,408
1327
01:20:16,494 --> 01:20:18,329
One more time.
1328
01:20:18,414 --> 01:20:20,416
It has been a very year
strange because it happened
1329
01:20:20,502 --> 01:20:23,922
very hastily
starting in October.
1330
01:20:24,009 --> 01:20:26,261
until early
November, boom.
1331
01:20:26,347 --> 01:20:29,141
- Scary.
- He's gone.
1332
01:20:29,228 --> 01:20:30,938
But I kept thinking,
oh, okay.
1333
01:20:31,023 --> 01:20:32,608
He'll come back and I'll do this.
1334
01:20:32,694 --> 01:20:34,153
I will do that. I'll see the doctors.
1335
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:36,116
Do you have the one inside?
1336
01:20:36,201 --> 01:20:37,669
It goes here and then it goes here.
1337
01:20:37,753 --> 01:20:39,288
- Well.
- It's on both sides.
1338
01:20:39,374 --> 01:20:41,543
Yeah.
1339
01:20:41,629 --> 01:20:45,508
It's a... It's an aid in conversation,
but it doesn't help at all in music.
1340
01:20:45,595 --> 01:20:47,055
For music, interesting.
1341
01:20:47,140 --> 01:20:51,185
It's real...tiny.
1342
01:20:53,946 --> 01:20:56,657
I don't know, suddenly, you know,
1343
01:20:56,744 --> 01:20:58,996
I said, oh, this is not coming back.
1344
01:20:59,081 --> 01:21:01,350
and I really fell
in a depression.
1345
01:21:01,433 --> 01:21:05,549
And finally when I arrived
at the bottom of depression,
1346
01:21:05,636 --> 01:21:10,683
I said, you better get up
go to bed and exercise, you know?
1347
01:21:10,773 --> 01:21:15,569
I was able to write with these two
small Bose speakers.
1348
01:21:15,657 --> 01:21:17,367
connected to my computer.
1349
01:21:17,453 --> 01:21:20,664
If I put my head
here, I could still...
1350
01:21:23,173 --> 01:21:25,634
I just have to
solve how to sing,
1351
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:29,098
and I can't... yet
I haven't solved it.
1352
01:21:30,814 --> 01:21:34,025
1353
01:21:34,988 --> 01:21:40,077
from the darkness, searching
1354
01:21:40,166 --> 01:21:41,960
1355
01:21:44,007 --> 01:21:48,262
beautiful song
1356
01:21:48,350 --> 01:21:50,018
1357
01:21:50,104 --> 01:21:51,814
No, that's all.
1358
01:21:56,199 --> 01:21:58,101
we will have to
We'll deal with that another day.
1359
01:22:01,377 --> 01:22:03,713
Once I
I put these headphones on,
1360
01:22:03,798 --> 01:22:06,551
all the distortion
what's in the damage,
1361
01:22:06,637 --> 01:22:08,472
whatever there is
caused that damage,
1362
01:22:08,558 --> 01:22:11,644
I can't get rid of it.
It is amplified.
1363
01:22:11,732 --> 01:22:13,441
When it first happened,
1364
01:22:13,523 --> 01:22:15,683
I was working
with a kinesiologist
1365
01:22:15,765 --> 01:22:18,492
who had a friend
who was a neuroscientist.
1366
01:22:18,579 --> 01:22:23,876
And he invented this
team, which is...
1367
01:22:23,965 --> 01:22:27,344
you put it on your tongue because
It is closer to the brain.
1368
01:22:27,430 --> 01:22:30,683
And stimulate your tongue
electrically,
1369
01:22:30,771 --> 01:22:34,024
which stimulates
amygdala and your brain.
1370
01:22:34,110 --> 01:22:40,909
And then I'd be listening with
headphones these hearing tests.
1371
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,875
so really
I was concentrating
1372
01:22:43,958 --> 01:22:46,833
at the frequencies that
They had disappeared.
1373
01:22:52,399 --> 01:22:56,236
And when you meditated,
one of the meditations
1374
01:22:56,323 --> 01:22:59,660
What he said was: "Choose
your favorite moments."
1375
01:22:59,747 --> 01:23:02,382
from when you were
young and, you know,
1376
01:23:02,465 --> 01:23:08,342
You were in perfect health and all that.
and you really focused on that.
1377
01:23:08,432 --> 01:23:11,143
and get that
memory in your head.
1378
01:23:11,229 --> 01:23:15,170
And every time you start
to get depressed or something like that,
1379
01:23:15,254 --> 01:23:18,282
click again
in that memory.
1380
01:23:18,369 --> 01:23:22,957
when you feel that you enjoy perfect
health and you can run very fast,
1381
01:23:23,046 --> 01:23:24,338
you could do everything. "
1382
01:23:27,972 --> 01:23:31,517
1383
01:23:31,605 --> 01:23:33,023
1384
01:23:34,903 --> 01:23:38,323
1385
01:23:38,410 --> 01:23:42,998
1386
01:23:43,087 --> 01:23:46,673
1387
01:23:46,761 --> 01:23:50,014
1388
01:23:50,101 --> 01:23:53,604
1389
01:23:53,691 --> 01:23:57,904
1390
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:05,087
Once you accept
the condition as something
1391
01:24:05,174 --> 01:24:09,303
more than a detriment
but as information
1392
01:24:09,391 --> 01:24:12,435
What do you have to solve?
then you can use it.
1393
01:24:16,906 --> 01:24:19,473
Especially
because this whole album
1394
01:24:19,556 --> 01:24:22,123
deals with themes
spiritual, I said:
1395
01:24:22,209 --> 01:24:25,328
Maybe this, you know,
It wasn't supposed to be this easy.
1396
01:24:26,509 --> 01:24:29,470
Maybe it's supposed
that you have an obstacle
1397
01:24:29,558 --> 01:24:32,394
that gives you more idea of
what you are saying.
1398
01:24:36,864 --> 01:24:38,782
And you do it for 20 minutes.
1399
01:24:38,868 --> 01:24:41,329
Basically, what
He said it was, eh, with him...
1400
01:24:41,415 --> 01:24:43,834
with him... with the brain...
you know it with your body,
1401
01:24:43,921 --> 01:24:45,547
but the brain is the same.
1402
01:24:45,633 --> 01:24:47,218
Use it or lose it.
1403
01:24:49,097 --> 01:24:53,477
1404
01:24:53,565 --> 01:24:57,986
1405
01:24:58,075 --> 01:25:01,078
As Wynton told me:
"Hey, Beethoven took a while
1406
01:25:01,164 --> 01:25:03,875
ten years in
get used to it and find out."
1407
01:25:03,962 --> 01:25:05,822
1408
01:25:05,904 --> 01:25:09,010
He said: "Well, now
you know, it's out of tune.
1409
01:25:09,098 --> 01:25:12,150
I said, man, but that does it
even more moving and beautiful.
1410
01:25:12,237 --> 01:25:13,755
You should leave all that there. "
1411
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,292
But I know he won't do that.
1412
01:25:15,377 --> 01:25:16,970
1413
01:25:17,155 --> 01:25:19,283
Or maybe you leave
a couple of them there.
1414
01:25:19,369 --> 01:25:21,955
on which I ride
1415
01:25:22,041 --> 01:25:24,640
He said, "I know this is going to be
difficult for you, but listen,
1416
01:25:24,722 --> 01:25:26,715
just listening to you is like
a kind of fight."
1417
01:25:26,801 --> 01:25:28,622
with a note to reach him
1418
01:25:28,704 --> 01:25:31,641
It is very interesting and very
moving in itself.
1419
01:25:31,728 --> 01:25:34,756
Said, "I know you'll listen
a note that will be out of tune.
1420
01:25:34,839 --> 01:25:36,151
"You're going to want to fix it."
1421
01:25:36,237 --> 01:25:37,238
He said, "Don't do it."
1422
01:25:37,323 --> 01:25:41,327
1423
01:25:41,414 --> 01:25:46,419
for the poorest
1424
01:25:46,508 --> 01:25:51,597
welcome to the stranger
1425
01:25:51,685 --> 01:25:54,438
Of course, I don't
I pay attention at all.
1426
01:25:54,524 --> 01:25:56,693
But I understand
What is he saying?
1427
01:25:56,780 --> 01:25:58,782
I wasn't saying:
"Don't sing in tune."
1428
01:25:58,867 --> 01:26:00,952
He was saying:
"Leave the fight there."
1429
01:26:01,038 --> 01:26:03,123
1430
01:26:03,209 --> 01:26:05,002
That's part of the story.
1431
01:26:05,088 --> 01:26:08,267
rising of the oceans
1432
01:26:08,554 --> 01:26:11,775
terrible and fast sword
1433
01:26:12,063 --> 01:26:16,692
1434
01:26:30,810 --> 01:26:34,197
Do you find the need to
share musical ideas with someone?
1435
01:26:34,284 --> 01:26:37,729
Because, I mean, obviously, I don't know.
How you used to work with Artie Garfunkel,
1436
01:26:37,815 --> 01:26:41,870
If you did, how close was the
writing association actually.
1437
01:26:41,958 --> 01:26:43,843
Well, we weren't one
writers society.
1438
01:26:43,929 --> 01:26:45,632
Not us, not me,
We don't write together.
1439
01:26:45,714 --> 01:26:48,118
So was it always your
song, his song, your song?
1440
01:26:48,304 --> 01:26:50,641
No, he never... he didn't write
none of the songs.
1441
01:26:50,724 --> 01:26:52,961
He didn't write anything...
I don't mean... I feel weird.
1442
01:26:53,048 --> 01:26:54,583
Did not write any
of the songs.
1443
01:26:54,667 --> 01:26:56,751
I wrote all the songs
by Simon and Garfunkel.
1444
01:26:56,838 --> 01:26:57,781
Hmm. Yeah.
1445
01:26:57,865 --> 01:26:59,792
No, I didn't need a
writing partner,
1446
01:26:59,877 --> 01:27:02,189
but, uh, your question
about, do I find it useful?
1447
01:27:02,374 --> 01:27:05,252
Exchange ideas
musicals with people? Yeah.
1448
01:27:05,340 --> 01:27:07,926
1449
01:27:08,011 --> 01:27:09,438
- Oh, we're in the...
- Lift me up.
1450
01:27:09,523 --> 01:27:11,642
- We stayed in the room.
-
1451
01:27:11,727 --> 01:27:13,570
We are still in
the fourth chord, but...
1452
01:27:13,657 --> 01:27:16,141
Well, as for the melody,
stay on that higher note.
1453
01:27:16,227 --> 01:27:17,311
- Bueno.
- Go down there.
1454
01:27:17,396 --> 01:27:18,347
1455
01:27:18,433 --> 01:27:22,696
1456
01:27:29,055 --> 01:27:29,957
That sounds like something to me.
1457
01:27:30,041 --> 01:27:32,542
Very well, then stay,
Start with the lowest notes.
1458
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:35,615
No, no, let me hear the chords
first, before entering the note.
1459
01:27:35,702 --> 01:27:38,872
You sing it and you get both parts
in my head, and then I will learn it.
1460
01:27:38,958 --> 01:27:41,561
we had a
unequal association because
1461
01:27:41,747 --> 01:27:43,916
I was writing
all the songs.
1462
01:27:44,003 --> 01:27:46,880
and basically run
the sessions because I would say,
1463
01:27:46,967 --> 01:27:49,223
"This is how it goes, and this
It's the guitar part,
1464
01:27:49,306 --> 01:27:52,183
and this is all, and you should
play it on the drums.
1465
01:27:52,270 --> 01:27:53,730
No, the bass should
do this. "
1466
01:27:53,814 --> 01:27:55,691
And Artie would be in the
control room with Roy.
1467
01:27:55,776 --> 01:27:57,144
And he'd say, "Yeah, that's good."
1468
01:27:57,230 --> 01:27:58,406
Let's do it, you know. "
1469
01:27:58,490 --> 01:28:00,868
But it was a
unequal balance of power.
1470
01:28:02,458 --> 01:28:04,209
There are times when I am
1471
01:28:04,294 --> 01:28:06,588
singing one of the
Paul songs.
1472
01:28:06,674 --> 01:28:08,780
I feel that the song
It's really very personal.
1473
01:28:08,862 --> 01:28:11,097
and probably shouldn't
be sung by no one
1474
01:28:11,184 --> 01:28:13,311
apart from the writer,
but there are others
1475
01:28:13,396 --> 01:28:18,109
songs that go
beyond a person.
1476
01:28:21,664 --> 01:28:23,123
1477
01:28:23,209 --> 01:28:25,469
Which is part of the reason.
why Mike Nichols,
1478
01:28:25,551 --> 01:28:27,073
after "The Graduate", he told her:
1479
01:28:27,158 --> 01:28:28,999
"It will be better for him
group if you convert
1480
01:28:29,081 --> 01:28:31,306
into a movie star,
and Paul is the writer.
1481
01:28:31,392 --> 01:28:33,936
It will... It will be more balanced.
1482
01:28:34,022 --> 01:28:37,275
So they hired him
to make "Catch-22."
1483
01:28:37,363 --> 01:28:41,701
So he wasn't there for half
from "Bridge Over Troubled Waters."
1484
01:28:41,788 --> 01:28:44,541
You are crazy.
You are all crazy.
1485
01:28:44,628 --> 01:28:46,004
Why are we crazy?
1486
01:28:46,089 --> 01:28:49,217
Because you don't know
how to stay alive.
1487
01:28:49,303 --> 01:28:52,181
That is the secret of life.
1488
01:28:52,269 --> 01:28:54,479
But we have a war to win.
1489
01:28:54,565 --> 01:28:57,317
Ah, but States
United will lose the war.
1490
01:28:57,404 --> 01:28:59,156
- No.
- Italy will win.
1491
01:28:59,241 --> 01:29:01,827
United States is the
strongest nation on Earth.
1492
01:29:01,913 --> 01:29:04,040
The American fighter
He is the best trained,
1493
01:29:04,126 --> 01:29:06,503
the best equipped and
the best fed.
1494
01:29:07,925 --> 01:29:12,513
plane just in time
1495
01:29:14,355 --> 01:29:18,610
1496
01:29:20,285 --> 01:29:26,416
1497
01:29:26,506 --> 01:29:28,800
1498
01:29:28,886 --> 01:29:32,598
1499
01:29:32,685 --> 01:29:36,272
in New York
1500
01:29:38,739 --> 01:29:41,075
"The only living child in
New York," I mean, it's...
1501
01:29:41,161 --> 01:29:43,080
It's like a song
of "good luck to you."
1502
01:29:43,165 --> 01:29:45,251
- GOOD.
- My best wishes, you know?
1503
01:29:45,336 --> 01:29:48,756
the news I need
1504
01:29:48,844 --> 01:29:51,304
1505
01:29:53,228 --> 01:29:54,980
1506
01:29:55,065 --> 01:29:59,945
do today, more than smile
1507
01:30:00,033 --> 01:30:01,368
1508
01:30:01,452 --> 01:30:05,290
1509
01:30:05,378 --> 01:30:09,465
in New York
1510
01:30:13,394 --> 01:30:15,313
sometimes we leave
1511
01:30:15,398 --> 01:30:16,983
1512
01:30:17,068 --> 01:30:21,072
1513
01:30:26,838 --> 01:30:28,340
We were really best friends
1514
01:30:28,425 --> 01:30:30,928
to "Bridge Over
Troubled Water".
1515
01:30:33,218 --> 01:30:35,562
We had traveled a lot together
and we were so forced
1516
01:30:35,649 --> 01:30:38,693
to be together thank you
to the power of business,
1517
01:30:38,780 --> 01:30:42,201
began to affect our
friendship, which was always true.
1518
01:30:43,289 --> 01:30:47,794
It started to be abrasive to see each other
forced to be together and on tour.
1519
01:30:49,970 --> 01:30:52,389
Artie said, "Yeah, the way
in which it will be so it is,
1520
01:30:52,475 --> 01:30:55,179
I'm going to make movies during
six months and then I'll be back.
1521
01:30:55,265 --> 01:30:58,734
You will have written the songs and
we'll do, you know, the album. "
1522
01:30:58,822 --> 01:31:01,282
And I thought, yes, actually,
no, that's not going to happen.
1523
01:31:01,368 --> 01:31:03,161
I'm not going to do that.
1524
01:31:03,247 --> 01:31:06,125
But wasn't that already how it was?
working anyway?
1525
01:31:06,211 --> 01:31:07,937
No, but always
we were together.
1526
01:31:08,023 --> 01:31:09,008
UH Huh.
1527
01:31:09,093 --> 01:31:11,278
You know, I would say, "Oh,
I wrote a new song."
1528
01:31:11,363 --> 01:31:12,748
It wasn't as if
would come back and say:
1529
01:31:12,834 --> 01:31:14,419
"What is the collection
of songs that
1530
01:31:14,503 --> 01:31:16,354
you wrote during these
last six months?"
1531
01:31:16,440 --> 01:31:17,725
While writing a song,
1532
01:31:17,810 --> 01:31:19,988
I said, "Hey, do you know
What do you think of this?"
1533
01:31:20,073 --> 01:31:23,411
You know, the main thing that
We were interested, we shared it.
1534
01:31:23,495 --> 01:31:27,668
If I'm going to wait three or four months
for records to be recorded,
1535
01:31:27,756 --> 01:31:30,133
I can also do
many things with that time.
1536
01:31:30,219 --> 01:31:31,888
and when I received
the offer to go down
1537
01:31:31,973 --> 01:31:34,809
and make a little
cameo in "Catch-22",
1538
01:31:34,896 --> 01:31:37,398
I considered it like five or
six weeks maximum.
1539
01:31:37,485 --> 01:31:40,488
Then I will go to
Mexico and I will do this.
1540
01:31:40,574 --> 01:31:42,242
I didn't think I was going
to be a problem.
1541
01:31:42,328 --> 01:31:44,442
What did become
then in a problem
1542
01:31:44,524 --> 01:31:46,542
is that they had me
down there for a long time.
1543
01:31:46,629 --> 01:31:49,006
"The movie is over.
"You have to go back."
1544
01:31:49,092 --> 01:31:52,173
"No, we can't because we have
to shoot this week in Mexico."
1545
01:31:52,257 --> 01:31:54,893
And then: "Send what
you did and let me listen.
1546
01:31:54,978 --> 01:31:57,397
No, that's not good. Have
to change this and this. "
1547
01:31:57,484 --> 01:32:01,363
It was as if everything
would have been altered.
1548
01:32:03,956 --> 01:32:07,960
It was a recipe for
breakup of Simon and Garfunkel.
1549
01:32:08,047 --> 01:32:10,258
And here it goes.
1550
01:32:10,344 --> 01:32:12,805
I didn't have the harmony
of friendship.
1551
01:32:12,891 --> 01:32:14,476
That was broken.
1552
01:32:14,561 --> 01:32:18,481
1553
01:32:18,570 --> 01:32:20,071
"Bridge over troubled waters,"
1554
01:32:20,156 --> 01:32:22,408
when we used to
play it on stage,
1555
01:32:22,494 --> 01:32:25,747
Artie sang the song
and people jumped.
1556
01:32:25,834 --> 01:32:27,919
He received a great
ovation, you know?
1557
01:32:28,006 --> 01:32:30,967
And my reaction was:
I wrote that song.
1558
01:32:32,932 --> 01:32:37,604
Am I the one who broke Simon and
Garfunkel, or was it Paul who failed?
1559
01:32:37,692 --> 01:32:41,331
to accommodate the enrichment of
his own career by Garfunkel?
1560
01:32:41,415 --> 01:32:43,827
Two people are needed
to form a group.
1561
01:32:43,914 --> 01:32:45,824
Two people are needed
to be idiots.
1562
01:32:45,909 --> 01:32:50,806
they get difficult
1563
01:32:51,094 --> 01:32:57,184
can find friends
1564
01:32:57,274 --> 01:32:59,652
1565
01:32:59,737 --> 01:33:02,740
Or maybe it was my perfect trauma
1566
01:33:02,827 --> 01:33:05,330
freudian what my
mother once told me:
1567
01:33:05,416 --> 01:33:06,834
"You have a good voice, Paul,
1568
01:33:06,919 --> 01:33:08,754
but Arthur has
an excellent voice."
1569
01:33:08,839 --> 01:33:11,926
1570
01:33:12,013 --> 01:33:17,018
1571
01:33:17,107 --> 01:33:20,527
1572
01:33:20,614 --> 01:33:22,533
This is my oldest friend.
1573
01:33:22,618 --> 01:33:28,008
And we experience anonymity
and then great fame and success.
1574
01:33:29,299 --> 01:33:32,093
And those things have
his own pressure.
1575
01:33:32,179 --> 01:33:34,890
It was five years
intense to be a success,
1576
01:33:34,977 --> 01:33:37,771
and that is close to
duration of his life.
1577
01:33:40,196 --> 01:33:43,650
I used to think when it was over
"Bridge Over Troubled Water", well,
1578
01:33:43,736 --> 01:33:46,414
we really are
too much on top of each other,
1579
01:33:46,500 --> 01:33:48,658
and the fat in the
machinery is not there,
1580
01:33:48,741 --> 01:33:51,800
and it is screeching, and we
A rest would be nice.
1581
01:33:51,887 --> 01:33:54,306
And certainly I
I would love to rest a little.
1582
01:33:54,392 --> 01:33:57,937
But after a break,
I see a wonderful upcoming album.
1583
01:33:58,025 --> 01:33:59,234
He didn't see it that way.
1584
01:34:03,410 --> 01:34:04,953
I couldn't get over that.
1585
01:34:07,085 --> 01:34:10,880
you move too fast
1586
01:34:10,967 --> 01:34:14,179
may the morning last
1587
01:34:14,266 --> 01:34:18,813
knocking down the cobblestones
1588
01:34:18,901 --> 01:34:20,319
1589
01:34:20,404 --> 01:34:26,368
1590
01:34:28,754 --> 01:34:30,256
That was a good friendship.
1591
01:34:30,341 --> 01:34:33,928
That was really the first
1592
01:34:34,015 --> 01:34:38,854
someone's friendship
that got it for me.
1593
01:34:38,942 --> 01:34:42,946
1594
01:34:43,034 --> 01:34:47,038
feeling great
1595
01:34:47,126 --> 01:34:51,881
Become a person who
I hope I never see you again...
1596
01:34:51,969 --> 01:34:53,637
that's a long way.
1597
01:34:53,723 --> 01:34:57,226
the, the, the, the, the, the
1598
01:34:57,314 --> 01:35:00,734
ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba
1599
01:35:00,821 --> 01:35:06,744
1600
01:35:06,833 --> 01:35:11,004
1601
01:35:30,700 --> 01:35:32,740
How does this room sound?
1602
01:35:32,830 --> 01:35:35,661
It has a pretty good sound...
Pretty good out there.
1603
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:45,270
Wow, it's really interesting.
1604
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:47,690
- Do you want to try the same thing again?
- Yeah.
1605
01:35:47,770 --> 01:35:50,440
I have a very good
hunch about Voices8.
1606
01:35:50,530 --> 01:35:53,680
Talk to the composer
from that group was interesting.
1607
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:57,017
He said that there are certain
sounds I chose
1608
01:35:57,097 --> 01:35:59,620
and I thought that
we could underline.
1609
01:35:59,700 --> 01:36:01,620
Let's hear that.
1610
01:36:01,710 --> 01:36:08,000
He imagined coloring them with his
instrument, which has eight voices.
1611
01:36:08,090 --> 01:36:09,960
Well, and here.
1612
01:36:20,060 --> 01:36:22,926
In the New Folk scene
York, in the early days,
1613
01:36:23,006 --> 01:36:26,520
You know, when Simon and Garfunkel
we were just together,
1614
01:36:26,610 --> 01:36:29,943
I was friends with some people
who were important figures in it,
1615
01:36:30,023 --> 01:36:32,150
Especially Dave
Van Ronk, I'm thinking.
1616
01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:37,700
Your record collection
It was full of music
1617
01:36:37,780 --> 01:36:40,740
really interesting
from all over the world.
1618
01:36:40,830 --> 01:36:43,250
That music album
from Bulgaria, well,
1619
01:36:43,330 --> 01:36:46,880
It was like a success
cult in the 60s.
1620
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:49,410
You know, that's when
I heard it for the first time.
1621
01:36:54,590 --> 01:36:57,180
It's a recorded chorus
in the 50s.
1622
01:36:57,260 --> 01:36:59,890
It's so beautiful that
you will fall apart
1623
01:36:59,970 --> 01:37:04,730
And they do it... they do it all the time
Now, that second minor pass.
1624
01:37:04,810 --> 01:37:09,860
Let's see what happens if
We tried to go to Voices of Bulgaria.
1625
01:37:22,330 --> 01:37:25,040
Hello gorgeous.
1626
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:26,540
Sounds good.
1627
01:37:26,620 --> 01:37:27,582
Isn't it?
- Yeah.
1628
01:37:27,662 --> 01:37:29,460
They just gave me
some headphones for
1629
01:37:29,540 --> 01:37:31,630
be able to hear everyone
your comments.
1630
01:37:34,630 --> 01:37:38,660
Paul has a way of looking
everyday life and make it poetic.
1631
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:45,060
And it doesn't make a caricature
to express yourself,
1632
01:37:47,140 --> 01:37:49,730
but that too
makes him vulnerable.
1633
01:37:49,810 --> 01:37:54,440
I think sometimes that has
made them misunderstand.
1634
01:37:54,530 --> 01:37:58,900
At the beginning, when I started
go out with him, someone warned me.
1635
01:37:58,990 --> 01:38:01,910
They said: Don't go out with him.
"He's arrogant."
1636
01:38:01,990 --> 01:38:04,620
And I said, "Well, you...
how do you know?
1637
01:38:04,700 --> 01:38:07,410
If you don't know him.
It seems normal. "
1638
01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:09,620
It's what it is
person had read.
1639
01:38:11,500 --> 01:38:13,966
And in terms of Art Garfunkel,
1640
01:38:14,046 --> 01:38:18,470
they made it look like
Paul had victimized him or...
1641
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:19,950
unlike the truth,
1642
01:38:20,030 --> 01:38:23,350
that the boy walked away to continue
a different type of career.
1643
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:25,060
- Good.
- Everyone looked at him like,
1644
01:38:25,150 --> 01:38:27,341
oh no, paul
went to do Paul,
1645
01:38:27,421 --> 01:38:29,230
but that's not what happened.
1646
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:35,360
I went to Artie and said:
"Are you making another movie?"
1647
01:38:35,440 --> 01:38:38,421
We just finished the album.
We hadn't been on tour with him.
1648
01:38:38,501 --> 01:38:40,160
we had not
done nothing with it.
1649
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:42,660
And he said, "Yes, I'm doing
Mike's next movie.
1650
01:38:42,740 --> 01:38:45,620
It is called "Carnal Knowledge."
1651
01:38:45,700 --> 01:38:48,310
And I said, "Well, why
Why didn't you tell me?"
1652
01:38:48,590 --> 01:38:50,500
And he said, "I thought
that you wouldn't finish
1653
01:38:50,580 --> 01:38:52,817
'Bridge over
turbulent waters'
1654
01:38:52,897 --> 01:38:56,130
If I told you, so
I decided not to tell you."
1655
01:38:56,210 --> 01:39:01,470
And I think that was really the last straw.
It broke the camel's back for the record deal.
1656
01:39:03,300 --> 01:39:06,640
I don't see myself doing
this within five years.
1657
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:11,060
I... I talk about everything
the spiritual sphere,
1658
01:39:11,140 --> 01:39:15,860
All that... all that
aspect of my life.
1659
01:39:18,650 --> 01:39:22,070
All this... this entertaining...
1660
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:23,910
It has nothing to do with that.
1661
01:39:25,830 --> 01:39:29,910
1662
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,880
1663
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:37,750
1664
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:41,930
1665
01:39:42,010 --> 01:39:48,260
1666
01:39:48,350 --> 01:39:51,940
Like I said, I was telling you
I didn't see how Art could...
1667
01:39:52,020 --> 01:39:55,190
How can you leave someone
What makes you sound so good?
1668
01:39:55,270 --> 01:40:00,360
of the cathedral
1669
01:40:00,440 --> 01:40:04,610
1670
01:40:04,700 --> 01:40:07,700
1671
01:40:07,780 --> 01:40:10,540
Wouldn't you realize
What are you working with...?
1672
01:40:10,620 --> 01:40:12,910
Well, he didn't know I quit.
1673
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,580
I didn't say, "I quit."
1674
01:40:15,670 --> 01:40:18,250
And I left it.
1675
01:40:18,340 --> 01:40:21,635
All this experience,
the tension in the studio,
1676
01:40:21,715 --> 01:40:23,760
If this was how the relationship was going to be,
1677
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:26,390
For me it was like, well,
I don't want to be in that.
1678
01:40:26,470 --> 01:40:28,773
So I went to Clive
Davis, who was the director
1679
01:40:28,853 --> 01:40:30,930
by Columbia Records
at that moment, and I told him:
1680
01:40:31,020 --> 01:40:33,230
"I leave Simon and Garfunkel.
1681
01:40:33,310 --> 01:40:36,480
"I'm going to make a solo album."
1682
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:39,650
Clive said: "You are committing
the biggest mistake of your life.
1683
01:40:39,730 --> 01:40:42,990
Simon and Garfunkel is a name
1684
01:40:43,070 --> 01:40:44,900
well known throughout the world.
1685
01:40:44,990 --> 01:40:46,610
It's a huge business and dividing it
1686
01:40:46,700 --> 01:40:49,160
It's just a big mistake."
1687
01:40:52,500 --> 01:40:54,030
were you trying
to prove something or
1688
01:40:54,110 --> 01:40:56,500
you were just
tired of the relationship?
1689
01:40:56,580 --> 01:40:58,630
No, no, I wasn't
trying to prove anything.
1690
01:40:58,710 --> 01:41:03,090
I was consumed by
writing music and making records.
1691
01:41:04,670 --> 01:41:09,760
And my wife Peggy said:
"Hey, you write the songs.
1692
01:41:09,850 --> 01:41:12,640
What should you worry about?"
1693
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:17,270
And that's how I started
my solo career.
1694
01:41:24,440 --> 01:41:27,087
One of the things I could leave
1695
01:41:27,167 --> 01:41:31,660
it was the obligation to write
a song for a duet.
1696
01:41:31,740 --> 01:41:34,370
That was liberating.
1697
01:41:34,450 --> 01:41:36,210
And in "Bridge over
troubled waters",
1698
01:41:36,290 --> 01:41:41,110
I was already making the album with
a broader palette of sounds.
1699
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:47,880
I heard this group, Los Incas, and
They played this song, "El Cรณndor Pasa."
1700
01:41:47,970 --> 01:41:51,550
a peruvian popular song
very famous that I loved.
1701
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:58,140
I said, "Why don't we buy that one?"
song and I write a song for him?"
1702
01:41:58,230 --> 01:42:00,230
we will not be able
play that track.
1703
01:42:00,310 --> 01:42:02,020
It's already perfect.
1704
01:42:02,110 --> 01:42:08,240
sparrow than a snail
1705
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:11,410
1706
01:42:11,490 --> 01:42:14,870
1707
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:17,040
1708
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:19,670
That's really the first time
1709
01:42:20,750 --> 01:42:22,500
I make music
of the world, you know?
1710
01:42:22,590 --> 01:42:27,720
hammer than a nail
1711
01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:30,760
1712
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:33,850
1713
01:42:33,930 --> 01:42:37,020
1714
01:42:37,100 --> 01:42:39,249
If you really want
a certain sound,
1715
01:42:39,329 --> 01:42:42,190
you have to go to people
to play that sound.
1716
01:42:42,270 --> 01:42:46,280
You can't ask someone to
write in someone else's handwriting.
1717
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:50,910
Whenever
there will be a fierce outbreak of ska.
1718
01:42:50,990 --> 01:42:55,120
And ska is the new beat of the
West Indies, Jamaica.
1719
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:03,080
1720
01:43:03,170 --> 01:43:09,050
Ska was very important
in '63 and '64 in England.
1721
01:43:09,130 --> 01:43:12,090
1722
01:43:12,180 --> 01:43:14,930
I always liked
the happy music.
1723
01:43:25,820 --> 01:43:28,440
So when I did
the first solo album
1724
01:43:28,530 --> 01:43:30,900
and I was trying
make a ska album,
1725
01:43:30,990 --> 01:43:33,070
I understood if I wanted
get that sound,
1726
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:34,450
I must go to Jamaica.
1727
01:43:44,670 --> 01:43:47,420
My favorite album on that
time it was a song called
1728
01:43:47,500 --> 01:43:50,170
"Vietnam" de Jimmy Cliff.
1729
01:43:50,260 --> 01:43:56,100
1730
01:43:56,180 --> 01:44:00,980
1731
01:44:01,060 --> 01:44:04,022
So I contacted
with the producer of that album
1732
01:44:04,102 --> 01:44:06,770
and I asked him if I could
go to Jamaica and record.
1733
01:44:06,860 --> 01:44:09,530
And he said yes, and he prepared it.
1734
01:44:09,610 --> 01:44:12,200
And I went down with this one
partially written song.
1735
01:44:24,420 --> 01:44:27,460
And I told the musicians:
"Here's my song.
1736
01:44:27,540 --> 01:44:29,960
"I want to make a ska album."
1737
01:44:30,050 --> 01:44:31,840
They said, "Well,
We don't play ska."
1738
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:33,510
And I said, "Well,
what do you mean...?
1739
01:44:33,590 --> 01:44:35,370
What do you mean
Why don't you play ska?
1740
01:44:35,450 --> 01:44:37,390
And they said, "You know,
It's reggae, man."
1741
01:44:37,470 --> 01:44:40,560
1742
01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:43,520
raise your head
1743
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:45,520
1744
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:48,560
for your wedding day
1745
01:44:48,650 --> 01:44:50,650
1746
01:44:50,730 --> 01:44:53,240
Then I said, โReally?
What is reggae?
1747
01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:55,570
I've never heard of reggae. "
1748
01:44:55,660 --> 01:44:59,240
That band turned out to be
Toots and the Maytals.
1749
01:45:11,590 --> 01:45:14,509
Then they played.
I said, well, that's great.
1750
01:45:14,589 --> 01:45:16,380
Well, let's make it reggae.
1751
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:20,180
false hopes
1752
01:45:20,260 --> 01:45:24,180
1753
01:45:24,270 --> 01:45:28,190
between mother and son
1754
01:45:28,270 --> 01:45:32,860
away
1755
01:45:32,940 --> 01:45:37,280
1756
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:40,620
1757
01:45:40,700 --> 01:45:45,290
1758
01:45:45,370 --> 01:45:49,040
1759
01:45:49,130 --> 01:45:53,250
it works that way
1760
01:45:53,340 --> 01:45:57,720
of a lifetime
1761
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:02,140
1762
01:46:02,220 --> 01:46:05,980
false hopes, no
1763
01:46:06,060 --> 01:46:09,940
1764
01:46:10,020 --> 01:46:14,230
between mother and son
1765
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:19,410
away
1766
01:46:19,490 --> 01:46:21,570
1767
01:46:21,660 --> 01:46:24,762
The reason why
I go to these places
1768
01:46:24,842 --> 01:46:28,750
is that you can count the
story of a song
1769
01:46:28,830 --> 01:46:31,290
with any context, you know.
1770
01:46:31,380 --> 01:46:33,340
So the context
could be Peruvian.
1771
01:46:33,420 --> 01:46:35,840
The context could be reggae.
1772
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:38,970
1773
01:46:39,050 --> 01:46:41,760
I was counting the same
stories that, you know...
1774
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,850
a love story, a marriage.
1775
01:46:46,770 --> 01:46:51,310
false hopes
1776
01:46:55,570 --> 01:46:57,940
This is really how
these things evolve.
1777
01:47:02,870 --> 01:47:06,040
I continued meeting musicians
from different parts of the world.
1778
01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:10,307
I heard something that I really liked
1779
01:47:10,387 --> 01:47:13,500
and then I went to find out
what it was and where it was.
1780
01:47:13,580 --> 01:47:16,670
and it was just a
very interesting path.
1781
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:23,140
1782
01:47:23,220 --> 01:47:26,850
1783
01:47:26,930 --> 01:47:33,650
roads and over the seas
1784
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:40,570
1785
01:47:40,650 --> 01:47:45,320
1786
01:47:45,410 --> 01:47:51,160
1787
01:47:54,670 --> 01:47:57,710
1788
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:04,510
the same path
1789
01:48:04,590 --> 01:48:08,260
1790
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:14,770
On an artistic level, really
I was always growing and alive.
1791
01:48:15,860 --> 01:48:20,940
and looking for space
to express who I am.
1792
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:24,530
I wanted to find
another area of โโexpression
1793
01:48:24,610 --> 01:48:26,910
in addition to simply
make albums.
1794
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:35,120
Live from New York,
It's Saturday night!
1795
01:48:35,210 --> 01:48:36,960
NBC Saturday Night.
1796
01:48:40,670 --> 01:48:42,760
We will be back.
1797
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:44,930
We'll be back in a moment with a...
1798
01:48:46,890 --> 01:48:48,140
Oh my god.
1799
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:52,060
Very sorry.
The number of bees is cut.
1800
01:48:52,140 --> 01:48:53,100
That?
1801
01:48:53,180 --> 01:48:54,560
Oh, geez.
1802
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:56,900
It didn't work last week.
It's cut. I'm sorry.
1803
01:48:56,980 --> 01:48:58,110
Well.
1804
01:49:01,860 --> 01:49:03,780
Very badly.
1805
01:49:03,860 --> 01:49:09,330
I didn't want it for the first show
Because I didn't know how it would turn out.
1806
01:49:10,410 --> 01:49:13,620
But I thought it would be
good for the second show.
1807
01:49:13,700 --> 01:49:16,628
Comedy... that's all
rhythm and timing,
1808
01:49:16,708 --> 01:49:20,130
so for the
musicians it's easy to connect.
1809
01:49:20,210 --> 01:49:23,260
We had the summer to
work on that program.
1810
01:49:23,340 --> 01:49:27,930
And he was working all the time
summer in Still Crazy, you know?
1811
01:49:28,010 --> 01:49:31,610
So, I went to the studio and
we met for dinner,
1812
01:49:31,690 --> 01:49:34,100
or had a place
not Bridgehampton,
1813
01:49:34,180 --> 01:49:38,150
and one weekend I went out.
1814
01:49:38,230 --> 01:49:39,860
We arrived there at night.
1815
01:49:39,940 --> 01:49:42,840
And we talked, you know... late.
1816
01:49:43,330 --> 01:49:45,320
Here's a song on
the one I'm working on.
1817
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:47,450
I haven't finished it.
I'll show you.
1818
01:49:47,530 --> 01:49:49,660
I will go up to the point
where I have stopped.
1819
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:52,330
Bueno.
1820
01:49:52,410 --> 01:49:58,210
my old lover on the street
1821
01:49:58,290 --> 01:50:04,670
to see that I only smile
1822
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:07,340
some old times
1823
01:50:07,430 --> 01:50:10,300
1824
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:15,060
of all these years
1825
01:50:15,140 --> 01:50:20,900
after all these years
1826
01:50:23,110 --> 01:50:27,820
We were always talking about
what we would do in your program.
1827
01:50:27,900 --> 01:50:33,740
I thought: I'm going to open it dry
with him singing "Still Crazy."
1828
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:39,080
my window and I look at the cars
1829
01:50:39,170 --> 01:50:44,840
one day I will do some damage
1830
01:50:46,590 --> 01:50:49,680
1831
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:53,350
1832
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:58,730
of all these years
1833
01:50:58,810 --> 01:51:01,560
Many people didn't recognize him.
1834
01:51:01,650 --> 01:51:03,760
He rarely appears on television.
1835
01:51:03,850 --> 01:51:06,034
Very few rock people
and roll appeared on TV
1836
01:51:06,114 --> 01:51:07,400
because the sound was very bad.
1837
01:51:07,490 --> 01:51:09,860
1838
01:51:09,950 --> 01:51:16,870
1839
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:24,227
From news headquarters
Saturday night,
1840
01:51:24,307 --> 01:51:26,800
this is the final update
of the week with Chevy Chase.
1841
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:29,260
The big news on the horizon
sporty is, of course,
1842
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:30,690
the face to face confrontation
1843
01:51:30,770 --> 01:51:32,872
con Connie Hawkins
of the Atlanta Hawks
1844
01:51:32,952 --> 01:51:34,890
y Paul Simon,
acoustic guitarist.
1845
01:51:34,970 --> 01:51:38,890
For a report from the field,
Let's go now to Marv Albert.
1846
01:51:38,970 --> 01:51:42,650
I'm Marv Albert, and in a moment,
the face to face confrontation
1847
01:51:42,730 --> 01:51:44,560
close between El Halcรณn,
1848
01:51:44,650 --> 01:51:47,400
Connie Hawkins, former
Harlem globetrotter,
1849
01:51:47,480 --> 01:51:50,094
one of the most players
interesting from the NBA,
1850
01:51:50,174 --> 01:51:52,070
as a member of
the Atlanta Hawks.
1851
01:51:52,150 --> 01:51:55,410
And Paul Simon
will oppose The Hawk.
1852
01:51:55,490 --> 01:51:57,580
Paul, what's your plan
game for The Hawk?
1853
01:51:57,660 --> 01:52:02,250
Well, I see one
1'4" height advantage.
1854
01:52:02,330 --> 01:52:07,000
And I have to be honest, that
will be a factor in this game.
1855
01:52:07,090 --> 01:52:09,918
He dominates me
speed and shooting ability,
1856
01:52:09,998 --> 01:52:14,260
but I just have to play my game
Like... like I normally do,
1857
01:52:14,340 --> 01:52:17,260
And I mean, I have
I keep my points
1858
01:52:17,350 --> 01:52:21,180
strong, basically,
sing and write songs.
1859
01:52:22,730 --> 01:52:25,368
rolled out of bed
1860
01:52:25,448 --> 01:52:27,610
1861
01:52:27,690 --> 01:52:28,860
1862
01:52:28,940 --> 01:52:30,280
1863
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:32,700
1864
01:52:32,780 --> 01:52:35,160
1865
01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:36,950
I can't play basketball.
1866
01:52:37,030 --> 01:52:38,424
If you make me one
individual photos,
1867
01:52:38,504 --> 01:52:40,660
It seems that I can perform
a jump shot.
1868
01:52:40,740 --> 01:52:42,020
And you see it enter.
1869
01:52:42,100 --> 01:52:43,710
You say, oh, he could
play basketball.
1870
01:52:43,790 --> 01:52:46,830
He must have taken me as
an hour and a half score 10.
1871
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:50,710
I mean I could stand next to it
from the basket with no one around me.
1872
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:53,300
and I try to make a
tray, and I won't.
1873
01:53:06,730 --> 01:53:09,480
days come and take me
1874
01:53:09,570 --> 01:53:11,978
let the story leak
1875
01:53:12,058 --> 01:53:15,200
comes to set me free
1876
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:17,740
Newsweek cover
1877
01:53:17,820 --> 01:53:20,490
1878
01:53:20,580 --> 01:53:22,700
1879
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:24,870
1880
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,580
time, but I don't know where
1881
01:53:27,670 --> 01:53:31,710
the queen of Corona
1882
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:35,220
in the school yard
1883
01:53:36,970 --> 01:53:39,600
in the school yard
1884
01:53:45,310 --> 01:53:50,860
I walked alone
1885
01:53:50,940 --> 01:53:55,950
of cobblestones
1886
01:53:56,030 --> 01:54:01,120
of a streetlight
1887
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:04,540
the cold and humidity
1888
01:54:04,620 --> 01:54:06,710
1889
01:54:06,790 --> 01:54:10,880
stabbed by the...
1890
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:13,800
Chuck, don't even
you know the lyrics.
1891
01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:17,260
Well, I really am... I am.
learning as we go.
1892
01:54:17,340 --> 01:54:19,264
Chuck, this is
live television.
1893
01:54:19,344 --> 01:54:21,257
This is not the time
of being learning.
1894
01:54:21,337 --> 01:54:24,320
How do you think I feel?
I mean, I feel terrible.
1895
01:54:24,410 --> 01:54:25,840
It's terrible to say
that now, right?
1896
01:54:25,930 --> 01:54:28,060
I mean, I've come all this way.
It was $3,000.
1897
01:54:28,140 --> 01:54:29,080
That was the deal.
1898
01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:31,860
I understand, but I want to say,
It was just one of those confusions.
1899
01:54:31,950 --> 01:54:33,860
I mean, it is
generally, I mean...
1900
01:54:33,950 --> 01:54:35,770
I understand that the offer
initial was 3,000.
1901
01:54:35,850 --> 01:54:37,040
- Hello George.
- Hello Paul.
1902
01:54:37,130 --> 01:54:38,870
- Hello, Lorne.
- We better get started.
1903
01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:40,580
Lorne got
George as a guest
1904
01:54:40,660 --> 01:54:42,090
musical because
I was the host.
1905
01:54:42,170 --> 01:54:43,310
In the future, you know...
1906
01:54:43,390 --> 01:54:45,160
I know, I mean,
but if you don't...
1907
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:47,580
If you don't continue tonight,
If you don't continue tonight,
1908
01:54:47,660 --> 01:54:49,650
It will break your heart.
I mean, it must be...
1909
01:54:49,730 --> 01:54:51,460
Look, I thought that
you would understand that if they were,
1910
01:54:51,540 --> 01:54:53,390
you know, 3,000 dollars
for four people,
1911
01:54:53,470 --> 01:54:55,600
which would only cost $750 for one.
1912
01:54:57,840 --> 01:54:59,560
As far as I'm concerned,
you could stay
1913
01:54:59,640 --> 01:55:01,760
with the 3,000 dollars
complete. It's the network.
1914
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:03,760
Well, $750 is pretty cheap.
1915
01:55:03,850 --> 01:55:07,100
So George and
I had a day
1916
01:55:07,180 --> 01:55:08,930
test for
record the songs.
1917
01:55:09,020 --> 01:55:12,350
1918
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:15,480
1919
01:55:15,570 --> 01:55:18,940
1920
01:55:19,030 --> 01:55:22,450
You know, we had the same
taste in early rock and roll.
1921
01:55:22,530 --> 01:55:26,290
1922
01:55:26,370 --> 01:55:29,620
1923
01:55:29,710 --> 01:55:33,040
1924
01:55:33,130 --> 01:55:35,460
1925
01:55:35,540 --> 01:55:37,130
I liked where George thought.
1926
01:55:37,210 --> 01:55:38,800
It was more mystical
and was willing
1927
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:41,050
to dedicate yourself to that kind of thing.
1928
01:55:42,930 --> 01:55:44,970
Ladies and gentlemen, my
friend George Harrison.
1929
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:56,320
1930
01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:58,150
1931
01:55:58,230 --> 01:55:59,900
1932
01:55:59,990 --> 01:56:03,870
1933
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:06,200
Tonight we will talk
with Mr. Paul Simon.
1934
01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:07,825
He is head of the chapter
from the east coast
1935
01:56:07,905 --> 01:56:10,350
of the Truckers Association
Independents of America.
1936
01:56:10,430 --> 01:56:13,116
And, Mr. Simon, the truck driver
Gypsy is a very hard-working man.
1937
01:56:13,196 --> 01:56:16,270
and I want to ask you, sir.
Drive a trailer 24 hours a day.
1938
01:56:16,350 --> 01:56:17,690
How the hell do you do it, sir?
1939
01:56:18,920 --> 01:56:24,180
Let me start by saying that
I am not an independent trucker.
1940
01:56:24,260 --> 01:56:27,720
I mean, never
I drove a truck.
1941
01:56:27,810 --> 01:56:30,020
- Ah.
- My name is Paul Simon, but I...
1942
01:56:30,100 --> 01:56:31,890
I am a composer.
I'm not a trucker.
1943
01:56:35,150 --> 01:56:36,900
1944
01:56:36,980 --> 01:56:42,440
they return to the faces
1945
01:56:42,530 --> 01:56:44,400
1946
01:56:44,490 --> 01:56:49,870
years since he was here
1947
01:56:49,950 --> 01:56:51,620
1948
01:56:51,700 --> 01:56:53,540
1949
01:56:53,620 --> 01:56:55,370
1950
01:56:55,460 --> 01:56:58,710
1951
01:57:02,340 --> 01:57:06,760
It is obvious to me that
You don't know who or what I am.
1952
01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:09,890
I haven't even seen your show.
I know what you are.
1953
01:57:09,970 --> 01:57:12,100
then just
I will say good night.
1954
01:57:12,180 --> 01:57:13,130
Oh yes, good night.
1955
01:57:13,210 --> 01:57:15,330
Well, sir, it's okay,
If that's how you feel,
1956
01:57:15,410 --> 01:57:18,330
I can respect that. I can respect
the opinions of any man.
1957
01:57:18,410 --> 01:57:19,830
I guess it
what we have seen there
1958
01:57:19,910 --> 01:57:21,870
It's a bit of the
anger of the 60s...
1959
01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:30,580
He made the people at Columbia Records
came to listen to Still Crazy.
1960
01:57:30,660 --> 01:57:33,910
This is the summer of '75.
And he said, stay for this.
1961
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:37,080
And he put the album with
the great speakers.
1962
01:57:37,170 --> 01:57:42,420
inside your head, he told me
1963
01:57:42,500 --> 01:57:47,180
if you take it logically
1964
01:57:47,260 --> 01:57:50,930
in your fight to be free
1965
01:57:51,010 --> 01:57:54,310
to leave your lover
1966
01:57:54,390 --> 01:57:57,154
When you have had
as successful as him,
1967
01:57:57,234 --> 01:58:00,810
always worries you
never return to that level.
1968
01:58:00,900 --> 01:58:02,650
my meaning
1969
01:58:02,730 --> 01:58:05,110
will be misunderstood
1970
01:58:05,190 --> 01:58:07,530
1971
01:58:07,610 --> 01:58:10,280
rude, there must be
1972
01:58:10,370 --> 01:58:13,290
But you're betting
for your own
1973
01:58:13,370 --> 01:58:16,120
taste and intuition and
that you can achieve it.
1974
01:58:16,210 --> 01:58:19,000
leave your lover
1975
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:21,790
salt from behind, Jack
1976
01:58:21,880 --> 01:58:23,800
1977
01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:26,380
1978
01:58:26,470 --> 01:58:28,970
1979
01:58:29,050 --> 01:58:31,140
1980
01:58:31,220 --> 01:58:33,640
1981
01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:36,140
1982
01:58:36,230 --> 01:58:39,140
1983
01:58:39,230 --> 01:58:45,900
It is not so much a doubt as a level
real nerve, courage and recklessness.
1984
01:58:45,980 --> 01:58:48,360
because he is never satisfied.
1985
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:54,330
If you have the type of
brain that he has,
1986
01:58:54,410 --> 01:58:56,370
your gaze is fixed
in what is wrong.
1987
01:58:56,450 --> 01:58:59,000
And you enjoy very little
of what is good
1988
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:02,500
because there is still
the part that is wrong.
1989
01:59:02,580 --> 01:59:04,170
One more time.
1990
01:59:04,250 --> 01:59:06,840
It is a very tortuous route,
1991
01:59:06,920 --> 01:59:09,930
but it's just the
hand that touched him.
1992
01:59:17,140 --> 01:59:18,829
I mean, essentially,
1993
01:59:18,909 --> 01:59:21,850
what we do is follow
going over the whole thing.
1994
01:59:21,940 --> 01:59:23,770
let me hear the
guitar for a second.
1995
01:59:23,860 --> 01:59:26,110
Let me hear the...
the chromelodeon.
1996
01:59:26,190 --> 01:59:29,570
You play them over and over
time, and finally... you say:
1997
01:59:29,650 --> 01:59:32,280
Did you know? Really
I never liked this part.
1998
01:59:32,360 --> 01:59:34,780
Alright.
I like this part here.
1999
01:59:34,870 --> 01:59:38,370
I like this part.
That part is okay, you know?
2000
01:59:38,450 --> 01:59:42,580
Until finally,
I can't stand that part.
2001
01:59:42,670 --> 01:59:45,090
That's almost right, just
one more touch to the right.
2002
01:59:45,170 --> 01:59:50,630
One of my favorite phrases
is: the ear goes to the irritant.
2003
01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:55,220
2004
01:59:55,300 --> 01:59:59,100
2005
01:59:59,180 --> 02:00:02,640
2006
02:00:02,730 --> 02:00:06,900
2007
02:00:06,980 --> 02:00:09,230
He always says: "The ear
It's going towards the irritating."
2008
02:00:09,320 --> 02:00:14,570
So if something irritates him, he will work
in it until you get it the way you want.
2009
02:00:14,660 --> 02:00:19,240
But the essence of what is
there, he wakes up and it's there.
2010
02:00:19,330 --> 02:00:21,977
So work on it
is the part you need to do
2011
02:00:22,057 --> 02:00:23,620
to justify
let that be given to him.
2012
02:00:23,710 --> 02:00:26,590
So it should work
harder, as much as you want.
2013
02:00:26,670 --> 02:00:28,960
And some people will say,
well, it's too perfect.
2014
02:00:29,050 --> 02:00:32,590
There is no such thing as that.
There is no such thing.
2015
02:00:32,670 --> 02:00:36,010
Well.
2016
02:00:39,060 --> 02:00:40,930
There was a lot in there.
2017
02:00:41,020 --> 02:00:44,980
For many people, if I play
a piece for you, I say:
2018
02:00:46,060 --> 02:00:48,020
listen to this.
2019
02:00:48,110 --> 02:00:52,530
Well when you first sit down
Once, before listening to it, your mind says:
2020
02:00:52,610 --> 02:00:55,990
I hope this is good, you know?
2021
02:00:56,070 --> 02:01:00,790
I hope I don't have to say
no fucking compliment
2022
02:01:00,870 --> 02:01:03,210
after it's over
Why won't I say:
2023
02:01:03,290 --> 02:01:04,960
Well, I don't like that, you know?
2024
02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:07,704
I know what I'm going to say
that I like,
2025
02:01:07,784 --> 02:01:11,800
but it would be much better
if I really liked it.
2026
02:01:11,880 --> 02:01:17,800
So when...
when the listener sits
2027
02:01:17,890 --> 02:01:20,220
for the first time, has
a certain expectation.
2028
02:01:20,310 --> 02:01:22,850
You try to synchronize
your piece in such a way
2029
02:01:22,930 --> 02:01:27,310
that you are descending
towards the dream...
2030
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:31,020
easy.
2031
02:01:31,110 --> 02:01:34,490
I'll do it here and then
in the third song.
2032
02:01:34,570 --> 02:01:36,360
It really breaks the mood.
2033
02:01:36,450 --> 02:01:38,910
You know, I put you to sleep
successfully, hopefully,
2034
02:01:38,990 --> 02:01:42,490
in a dream, but
I need your conscience.
2035
02:01:42,580 --> 02:01:44,370
So I'll wake you up a little.
2036
02:01:45,790 --> 02:01:51,590
2037
02:01:51,670 --> 02:01:57,840
slept all night
2038
02:01:57,930 --> 02:02:03,930
2039
02:02:04,020 --> 02:02:07,850
and turn off the light
2040
02:02:10,150 --> 02:02:14,530
2041
02:02:16,950 --> 02:02:23,030
guide star in particular
2042
02:02:23,120 --> 02:02:29,120
2043
02:02:29,210 --> 02:02:33,710
satisfied that you
2044
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:39,470
whispering in the world
2045
02:02:41,970 --> 02:02:46,430
there is nothing to hide
2046
02:02:47,640 --> 02:02:54,150
complaints to the shore
2047
02:02:54,230 --> 02:02:57,650
the falling tide
2048
02:02:57,740 --> 02:03:00,240
Everyone is naked.
There is nothing to hide.
2049
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:03,280
Just thinking about it... because always
We have the mask on.
2050
02:03:03,370 --> 02:03:06,240
Why are we whispering?
You always hear people say,
2051
02:03:06,330 --> 02:03:08,790
"I am enough
older to say what I think.
2052
02:03:08,870 --> 02:03:11,030
He is talking about age.
He's talking about us.
2053
02:03:11,120 --> 02:03:12,420
Why are we whispering?
2054
02:03:12,500 --> 02:03:15,340
2055
02:03:15,420 --> 02:03:19,170
in us
2056
02:03:19,260 --> 02:03:25,600
with your opinion
2057
02:03:31,850 --> 02:03:35,223
What the song sums up is that
the only thing that really matters
2058
02:03:35,303 --> 02:03:37,190
is who
became us.
2059
02:03:37,280 --> 02:03:40,450
anointed and deceived us
with an opinion.
2060
02:03:42,240 --> 02:03:44,370
What do you mean by
that you fooled us?
2061
02:03:44,450 --> 02:03:46,990
Did he deceive us with his opinions?
2062
02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:48,678
What... what are you trying
tell me, brother?
2063
02:03:48,758 --> 02:03:51,330
Look, now I'm
getting into blues territory.
2064
02:03:51,410 --> 02:03:53,670
Things that are neither right nor wrong.
2065
02:03:53,750 --> 02:03:55,460
You know, in
"My Professional Opinion",
2066
02:03:55,540 --> 02:03:57,670
I like the way
who talks to the critic.
2067
02:03:57,750 --> 02:04:02,720
In his professional opinion,
you are all wrong.
2068
02:04:09,930 --> 02:04:10,890
Oh well, everyone...
2069
02:04:10,980 --> 02:04:13,190
Thank you Mother, thank you.
2070
02:04:14,810 --> 02:04:18,320
Hi, I'm John.
2071
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:22,240
used to play with me
mate Paul.
2072
02:04:22,320 --> 02:04:24,320
I'm... I'm Paul.
2073
02:04:24,410 --> 02:04:27,830
I used to play with
my partner Art.
2074
02:04:27,910 --> 02:04:29,160
I'm Andy.
2075
02:04:29,240 --> 02:04:31,250
used to play with me
partner Claudine.
2076
02:04:34,250 --> 02:04:35,830
Touching.
2077
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:37,590
- Shall we continue with this?
- Let's do it.
2078
02:04:37,670 --> 02:04:38,880
Yes ok.
2079
02:04:40,590 --> 02:04:43,760
For recording
year, the winner is...
2080
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:45,720
Isn't it exciting?
2081
02:04:45,800 --> 02:04:47,350
Oh, two Grammy Awards.
2082
02:04:47,430 --> 02:04:50,390
"I love you honestly," Olivia
Newton-John, producer John Farrar.
2083
02:04:50,470 --> 02:04:52,520
Very good, very good.
2084
02:04:52,600 --> 02:04:55,190
Reception of the award
for Olivia Newton-John
2085
02:04:55,270 --> 02:04:57,190
It's Garfunkel Art!
2086
02:05:12,870 --> 02:05:14,870
Which one of you is Ringo?
2087
02:05:17,290 --> 02:05:19,750
I thought I told you that
You will wait in the car.
2088
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:23,880
Will you be again
together ever?
2089
02:05:23,970 --> 02:05:25,750
Are they going back to
be together again?
2090
02:05:25,830 --> 02:05:27,820
No, it's terrible, isn't it?
2091
02:05:28,300 --> 02:05:29,930
- Are you still writing, Paul?
- Yeah.
2092
02:05:33,640 --> 02:05:35,560
testing a little
of performance, Art.
2093
02:05:40,400 --> 02:05:42,695
There is a period in
that you have fame.
2094
02:05:42,775 --> 02:05:45,070
Was that something you
Did it weigh at all?
2095
02:05:45,150 --> 02:05:47,110
No, at first
I liked it a little.
2096
02:05:47,200 --> 02:05:49,570
At first it was fun.
2097
02:05:49,660 --> 02:05:52,450
I mean, it's... it's the most
unreal that you can imagine.
2098
02:05:52,540 --> 02:05:54,410
GOOD.
2099
02:05:54,500 --> 02:05:57,460
And then, inevitably,
becomes something
2100
02:05:57,540 --> 02:06:00,460
what do you want... really
You don't want it to be there.
2101
02:06:03,210 --> 02:06:05,920
Oh...
2102
02:06:06,010 --> 02:06:07,130
Yeah.
2103
02:06:08,760 --> 02:06:10,760
It's a... well,
I have said it a lot.
2104
02:06:10,850 --> 02:06:13,260
You know, fame
It's just a poison.
2105
02:06:13,350 --> 02:06:15,100
It's just a poison.
2106
02:06:15,180 --> 02:06:18,770
A little bit of that
It strengthens, you know?
2107
02:06:18,850 --> 02:06:21,270
And too much of it would kill you.
2108
02:06:21,360 --> 02:06:24,610
2109
02:06:24,690 --> 02:06:28,530
2110
02:06:28,610 --> 02:06:31,450
2111
02:06:31,530 --> 02:06:34,660
2112
02:06:34,740 --> 02:06:36,960
2113
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:40,540
2114
02:06:42,790 --> 02:06:48,220
2115
02:06:48,300 --> 02:06:51,300
2116
02:06:51,390 --> 02:06:53,640
2117
02:06:53,720 --> 02:06:55,520
2118
02:06:55,600 --> 02:06:57,880
Every time someone has
great success in business
2119
02:06:57,970 --> 02:07:00,150
of music, gets a
large number of followers
2120
02:07:00,230 --> 02:07:02,810
who really
They adore it, there is no doubt about it.
2121
02:07:02,900 --> 02:07:05,650
Do you like that feeling
to possibly be
2122
02:07:05,730 --> 02:07:07,490
the hero or the leader
of many people?
2123
02:07:07,570 --> 02:07:09,500
I'm really not
aware of that feeling.
2124
02:07:09,580 --> 02:07:11,400
Don't you understand that?
2125
02:07:11,780 --> 02:07:13,830
No not really.
I don't... I don't believe that.
2126
02:07:13,910 --> 02:07:16,700
People write about it.
They say that happens.
2127
02:07:16,790 --> 02:07:18,540
I don't think so, honestly.
2128
02:07:20,670 --> 02:07:26,590
2129
02:07:26,670 --> 02:07:29,340
2130
02:07:29,420 --> 02:07:32,010
falls apart
2131
02:07:32,090 --> 02:07:34,050
2132
02:07:34,140 --> 02:07:35,510
2133
02:07:35,600 --> 02:07:38,350
2134
02:07:38,430 --> 02:07:40,940
2135
02:07:41,020 --> 02:07:43,020
I wonder if it's hard when
2136
02:07:43,100 --> 02:07:44,690
someone like you
achieves so much success.
2137
02:07:44,770 --> 02:07:47,030
and earn all that money
and becomes part
2138
02:07:47,110 --> 02:07:49,100
of a world of walking
in limousines and having people
2139
02:07:49,180 --> 02:07:50,860
asking for your
autograph and all that.
2140
02:07:50,940 --> 02:07:52,700
Have you ever
difficult result to return
2141
02:07:52,790 --> 02:07:54,950
to the things that you
inspired at the beginning?
2142
02:07:55,030 --> 02:07:58,370
Well, your world changes, and what
You write about change, I guess.
2143
02:07:58,450 --> 02:08:01,870
It's not very interesting to write
a song about a limousine.
2144
02:08:01,960 --> 02:08:03,580
- No.
- I... I would avoid that.
2145
02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:11,880
I have been wrong
2146
02:08:11,970 --> 02:08:17,390
2147
02:08:17,470 --> 02:08:22,730
I have felt abandoned
2148
02:08:22,810 --> 02:08:27,900
2149
02:08:27,980 --> 02:08:31,400
2150
02:08:31,490 --> 02:08:34,070
2151
02:08:34,160 --> 02:08:38,620
2152
02:08:41,330 --> 02:08:46,580
be bright and cheerful
2153
02:08:46,670 --> 02:08:50,960
2154
02:08:52,510 --> 02:08:56,800
2155
02:09:01,100 --> 02:09:06,480
has not been mistreated
2156
02:09:06,560 --> 02:09:11,990
make you feel comfortable
2157
02:09:12,070 --> 02:09:17,280
has not been destroyed
2158
02:09:17,370 --> 02:09:22,950
2159
02:09:23,040 --> 02:09:25,960
2160
02:09:26,040 --> 02:09:28,540
2161
02:09:28,630 --> 02:09:32,670
good for so long
2162
02:09:35,300 --> 02:09:40,640
path we are traveling
2163
02:09:40,720 --> 02:09:45,640
2164
02:09:45,730 --> 02:09:49,150
2165
02:09:49,230 --> 02:09:54,490
2166
02:09:54,570 --> 02:09:57,030
2167
02:09:59,570 --> 02:10:05,660
woke up unexpectedly
2168
02:10:05,750 --> 02:10:08,170
2169
02:10:08,250 --> 02:10:11,750
2170
02:10:11,840 --> 02:10:17,050
2171
02:10:17,130 --> 02:10:23,010
eyes could see clearly
2172
02:10:23,100 --> 02:10:26,180
2173
02:10:26,270 --> 02:10:29,690
2174
02:10:29,770 --> 02:10:32,230
2175
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:40,910
which they called The Mayflower
2176
02:10:40,990 --> 02:10:46,580
who sailed across the moon
2177
02:10:46,660 --> 02:10:51,960
most uncertain of the time
2178
02:10:52,040 --> 02:10:56,130
2179
02:10:56,210 --> 02:11:00,550
2180
02:11:00,640 --> 02:11:03,220
2181
02:11:03,300 --> 02:11:09,940
blessed forever
2182
02:11:10,020 --> 02:11:15,400
it will be another business day
2183
02:11:15,480 --> 02:11:20,610
rest a little
2184
02:11:20,700 --> 02:11:27,160
to rest a little
2185
02:11:43,550 --> 02:11:47,396
You release records and talk to the
people you want to talk to.
2186
02:11:47,476 --> 02:11:50,080
And anyway the
other people don't listen,
2187
02:11:50,170 --> 02:11:51,900
which is nonsense
of the whole thing.
2188
02:11:51,990 --> 02:11:54,670
They would say: "We are not interested
in his political opinions
2189
02:11:54,750 --> 02:11:56,210
nor in his vision of society.
2190
02:11:56,690 --> 02:11:58,360
Just sing.
2191
02:11:58,440 --> 02:12:00,320
That's what you do.
You sing, right?
2192
02:12:00,400 --> 02:12:01,860
Don't do anything else. "
2193
02:12:04,620 --> 02:12:06,720
I want to know if there is...
There is a burden with that.
2194
02:12:06,800 --> 02:12:09,207
I mean, do you feel a
overwhelming responsibility
2195
02:12:09,287 --> 02:12:12,637
If someone comes up and says:
'Bridge over troubled waters'
2196
02:12:12,717 --> 02:12:15,630
has changed my life and
I'm going to move" or something like that?
2197
02:12:18,630 --> 02:12:21,771
I think there's... there's a
pressure when I write
2198
02:12:22,851 --> 02:12:27,810
that has made it more
difficult to write... in recent years.
2199
02:12:28,890 --> 02:12:31,850
The case in question
is that I wrote and acted
2200
02:12:31,930 --> 02:12:34,480
and starred in a movie
llamada "One-Trick Pony".
2201
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:37,967
I got a huge
satisfaction when writing the script,
2202
02:12:38,047 --> 02:12:40,990
then write the
music and acting in it.
2203
02:12:41,070 --> 02:12:43,224
And sometimes an artist
does a work
2204
02:12:43,304 --> 02:12:47,330
and the work makes you stretch
as an artist, which you should do.
2205
02:12:47,410 --> 02:12:49,660
2206
02:12:49,740 --> 02:12:52,250
that horse can do
2207
02:12:55,920 --> 02:12:58,840
2208
02:12:58,920 --> 02:13:02,170
source of your income
2209
02:13:02,260 --> 02:13:04,720
"One-Trick Pony" comes next
2210
02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:06,720
"Still crazy after
of all these years. "
2211
02:13:06,800 --> 02:13:08,820
And with "Still crazy
"After all these years,"
2212
02:13:08,910 --> 02:13:10,520
being a number one album and
2213
02:13:10,600 --> 02:13:13,850
winning the Grammy
for Best Album,
2214
02:13:13,940 --> 02:13:16,073
I felt that if I had
something to prove
2215
02:13:16,153 --> 02:13:19,520
about leaving simon and
Garfunkel had proven it.
2216
02:13:19,610 --> 02:13:23,190
And now I was searching
another challenge, you know?
2217
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:25,610
- Move a little.
- Action.
2218
02:13:25,700 --> 02:13:26,800
Well, well... uh...
2219
02:13:27,080 --> 02:13:30,370
I think it is very important for you
make the right record right now.
2220
02:13:30,450 --> 02:13:32,700
This song is
llama "Ace in the Hole".
2221
02:13:32,790 --> 02:13:35,970
We have done very well in the clubs
the ones we've been playing at.
2222
02:13:37,290 --> 02:13:40,550
music is the ace in the hole
2223
02:13:40,630 --> 02:13:42,710
ordinary blues
2224
02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:44,020
2225
02:13:44,110 --> 02:13:45,470
It's about a... a musician
2226
02:13:45,550 --> 02:13:47,550
which is like in the middle.
2227
02:13:47,640 --> 02:13:50,890
- It's not at the top of
- your profession nor on the basis.
2228
02:13:50,970 --> 02:13:53,270
that music is sweet
2229
02:13:56,520 --> 02:14:01,820
He is in the middle of his career and
He is traveling through the center of the country.
2230
02:14:01,900 --> 02:14:03,230
and throughout the Midwest.
2231
02:14:03,320 --> 02:14:05,240
And he is about 30 years old.
2232
02:14:05,320 --> 02:14:07,996
So he is someone
which is right in the middle
2233
02:14:08,076 --> 02:14:10,751
and what are the problems
when you get to that point
2234
02:14:10,831 --> 02:14:12,580
in your life and your career.
2235
02:14:12,660 --> 02:14:15,790
It's a great day for baseball
here at Yankee Stadium.
2236
02:14:15,870 --> 02:14:19,580
The New York Yankees
They face the Boston Red Sox.
2237
02:14:19,670 --> 02:14:22,920
The first batter of the
Yankees will be... Reggie Jackson!
2238
02:14:23,000 --> 02:14:24,976
Reggie Jackson finishes
starting second grade
2239
02:14:25,056 --> 02:14:28,090
in the little school
Greenwich Village red.
2240
02:14:28,180 --> 02:14:29,770
Well, and the tone.
2241
02:14:29,850 --> 02:14:31,300
Reg swings!
It's on!
2242
02:14:31,380 --> 02:14:33,670
That could be out of here!
It's a big problem!
2243
02:14:33,750 --> 02:14:34,700
Reggie is leaving!
2244
02:14:34,780 --> 02:14:37,691
Obviously, we will continue
tracing these autobiographical links.
2245
02:14:37,771 --> 02:14:38,800
You almost can't help it.
2246
02:14:38,890 --> 02:14:41,250
For example, in the movie
you have a six year old son
2247
02:14:41,330 --> 02:14:42,980
played by an actor,
2248
02:14:43,070 --> 02:14:45,126
and you actually have
a six year old son.
2249
02:14:45,206 --> 02:14:47,700
Did you see all the cameras?
You didn't see me.
2250
02:14:47,780 --> 02:14:49,740
- You just arrived, huh?
- Yeah.
2251
02:14:52,200 --> 02:14:53,990
Do you live in a caravan?
2252
02:14:54,080 --> 02:14:56,364
No, I'll just stay
here in the afternoon.
2253
02:14:56,444 --> 02:14:58,370
You know I'm in that hotel room.
2254
02:14:58,460 --> 02:15:00,500
- Do you remember when...
- Oh, yes.
2255
02:15:00,580 --> 02:15:03,630
That aspect of the movie
It is slightly autobiographical.
2256
02:15:03,710 --> 02:15:06,010
I mean, the fact
that I have a son.
2257
02:15:06,090 --> 02:15:08,879
And some of the activities
what do we do in the movie
2258
02:15:08,959 --> 02:15:10,770
are things that I have
made with my son.
2259
02:15:11,050 --> 02:15:12,800
Now you look like yourself.
2260
02:15:14,470 --> 02:15:16,140
- Brand.
- Marker.
2261
02:15:16,220 --> 02:15:17,850
That's great.
I really like that.
2262
02:15:17,930 --> 02:15:20,480
Why don't you come in?
We will listen to the playback.
2263
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:23,480
Jonah, I have some ideas.
which I would like to talk to you about.
2264
02:15:24,900 --> 02:15:26,820
The electric piano that Clarence
2265
02:15:26,900 --> 02:15:28,914
play on the bridge
It's a beautiful thing there.
2266
02:15:28,994 --> 02:15:31,360
I think we could have
some threads there, you know.
2267
02:15:31,450 --> 02:15:34,490
Pretty, pretty, pretty and
heavy string section there.
2268
02:15:34,580 --> 02:15:36,540
Texturally, it would be beautiful.
2269
02:15:36,620 --> 02:15:39,870
I think it is worth investing
time and money to book a session.
2270
02:15:41,580 --> 02:15:43,380
Oh, come on.
It will rip your heart out.
2271
02:15:51,430 --> 02:15:52,890
In the case of One-Trick Pony,
2272
02:15:52,970 --> 02:15:56,010
I tried to stretch.
2273
02:15:56,100 --> 02:15:58,890
And during the work process,
2274
02:15:58,980 --> 02:16:01,865
I was very happy, so happy
as always when I work,
2275
02:16:01,945 --> 02:16:04,360
which is probably
the happiest I have ever been.
2276
02:16:06,150 --> 02:16:10,070
And then the work was
very enriching for me.
2277
02:16:10,150 --> 02:16:13,860
But the sequel
produced the effect
2278
02:16:13,950 --> 02:16:16,950
contrary why not
It was a popular success.
2279
02:16:17,030 --> 02:16:20,370
what I was used to
until that moment.
2280
02:16:20,450 --> 02:16:22,532
For a long time
time I felt very,
2281
02:16:22,612 --> 02:16:25,380
very guilty for that,
very bad, as if I...
2282
02:16:25,460 --> 02:16:28,210
as if he had done
Something wrong, you know?
2283
02:16:28,300 --> 02:16:30,210
Is there almost one
feeling of shame?
2284
02:16:30,300 --> 02:16:32,380
Do you think: "What have I
made myself here?"
2285
02:16:32,470 --> 02:16:34,050
Not to myself.
2286
02:16:34,140 --> 02:16:36,050
I felt that there was
disappointed a lot of people.
2287
02:16:36,140 --> 02:16:38,810
I thought there must be
made some terrible mistake.
2288
02:16:51,150 --> 02:16:56,240
Because One-Trick
Pony was a failure,
2289
02:16:56,320 --> 02:17:01,450
when they asked me to do
a concert in Central Park,
2290
02:17:01,540 --> 02:17:05,620
I thought, well, I just
have this big failure.
2291
02:17:05,710 --> 02:17:07,750
Maybe I should ask
Artie to come
2292
02:17:07,840 --> 02:17:10,090
and sing some
songs about this.
2293
02:17:11,840 --> 02:17:13,130
It's Central Park.
2294
02:17:13,220 --> 02:17:14,840
we will have to do
more than 15 minutes.
2295
02:17:14,930 --> 02:17:17,650
We'll have to do, you know,
maybe half the show,
2296
02:17:17,730 --> 02:17:20,140
and then I said, well, if we do
half the show,
2297
02:17:20,220 --> 02:17:22,740
That means I'll have to
open for Simon and Garfunkel.
2298
02:17:22,830 --> 02:17:25,040
We're right on the edge of
the feedback here...
2299
02:17:25,120 --> 02:17:27,210
...which I don't want to do.
2300
02:17:28,690 --> 02:17:31,030
So let's do it
all Simon and Garfunkel.
2301
02:17:41,620 --> 02:17:44,120
I got through it all, of course.
2302
02:17:44,210 --> 02:17:46,120
We discovered three
looks diferentes.
2303
02:17:46,210 --> 02:17:48,960
Because you are doing
about two hours.
2304
02:17:49,040 --> 02:17:53,170
Then it was late,
twilight and night.
2305
02:17:57,220 --> 02:18:00,010
sing my songs
2306
02:18:00,100 --> 02:18:04,520
2307
02:18:04,600 --> 02:18:08,150
2308
02:18:08,230 --> 02:18:10,980
words come back to me
2309
02:18:11,070 --> 02:18:13,480
2310
02:18:13,570 --> 02:18:16,320
2311
02:18:16,400 --> 02:18:20,910
someone comfort me
2312
02:18:20,990 --> 02:18:24,200
2313
02:18:24,290 --> 02:18:27,040
2314
02:18:27,120 --> 02:18:30,670
2315
02:18:30,750 --> 02:18:33,210
my thoughts escape
2316
02:18:33,300 --> 02:18:36,170
my music plays
2317
02:18:36,260 --> 02:18:43,010
lies waiting for me in silence
2318
02:18:43,100 --> 02:18:44,680
I don't think we had
2319
02:18:44,770 --> 02:18:47,180
idea of โโhow many people would attend.
2320
02:18:47,270 --> 02:18:48,730
New York is dangerous, already
2321
02:18:48,810 --> 02:18:50,270
you know, completely
upside down
2322
02:18:50,350 --> 02:18:54,070
And it was a bold thing to do.
2323
02:18:54,150 --> 02:18:55,900
And it was a very New York event.
2324
02:18:55,990 --> 02:18:57,700
because they are both from Queens.
2325
02:18:57,780 --> 02:18:58,700
Ladies and gentlemen,
2326
02:18:58,780 --> 02:19:00,780
Simon and Garfunkel.
2327
02:19:00,870 --> 02:19:02,580
I knew we had something and
2328
02:19:02,660 --> 02:19:04,870
which was a cool thing to do.
2329
02:19:04,950 --> 02:19:07,790
Well it's great to do
a neighborhood concert.
2330
02:19:09,000 --> 02:19:11,210
They showed up around
of half a million people.
2331
02:19:11,290 --> 02:19:12,880
I hope everyone can hear us.
2332
02:19:12,960 --> 02:19:15,380
I hope that sound is good.
2333
02:19:15,460 --> 02:19:17,050
In fact, I felt nervous.
2334
02:19:17,130 --> 02:19:18,970
I'm used to it
to go on stage,
2335
02:19:19,050 --> 02:19:21,220
but even though
we had played in arenas,
2336
02:19:21,300 --> 02:19:23,890
We never touched anything that big.
2337
02:19:23,970 --> 02:19:26,015
The longing to have them
together was the greatest
2338
02:19:26,095 --> 02:19:28,140
that any of the
two had ever done.
2339
02:19:30,730 --> 02:19:32,900
2340
02:19:32,980 --> 02:19:35,900
2341
02:19:35,980 --> 02:19:38,490
2342
02:19:38,570 --> 02:19:41,240
my resistance
2343
02:19:41,320 --> 02:19:43,990
full of murmurs
2344
02:19:44,070 --> 02:19:47,620
2345
02:19:47,700 --> 02:19:49,460
2346
02:19:49,540 --> 02:19:52,750
what you want to hear
2347
02:19:52,830 --> 02:19:55,630
2348
02:19:55,710 --> 02:19:58,510
2349
02:19:58,590 --> 02:20:05,590
2350
02:20:05,680 --> 02:20:08,350
house and my family
2351
02:20:08,430 --> 02:20:10,770
2352
02:20:10,850 --> 02:20:14,190
2353
02:20:14,270 --> 02:20:20,990
train running scared
2354
02:20:21,070 --> 02:20:25,370
looking for the poorest neighborhoods
2355
02:20:25,450 --> 02:20:28,370
2356
02:20:28,450 --> 02:20:33,540
that only they would know
2357
02:20:33,620 --> 02:20:36,380
2358
02:20:36,460 --> 02:20:39,340
2359
02:20:39,420 --> 02:20:42,510
2360
02:20:42,590 --> 02:20:45,390
the, by the light
2361
02:20:45,470 --> 02:20:48,060
2362
02:20:48,140 --> 02:20:51,230
2363
02:21:01,900 --> 02:21:04,410
Well, I hope you can hear me.
2364
02:21:04,490 --> 02:21:06,870
I would like to sing a new song.
2365
02:21:09,740 --> 02:21:13,080
I have recorded this song and never
I had played it before.
2366
02:21:13,160 --> 02:21:15,420
So this is the first time.
2367
02:21:20,590 --> 02:21:22,170
"The late great Johnny Ace"
2368
02:21:22,260 --> 02:21:24,380
It's about John Lennon.
It's about...
2369
02:21:24,470 --> 02:21:27,550
- Kennedy.
- Kennedy y Johnny Ace.
2370
02:21:27,640 --> 02:21:28,850
Yes, all the shots.
2371
02:21:28,930 --> 02:21:30,260
All the gun violence.
2372
02:21:34,350 --> 02:21:37,560
This was shortly after
that the dispararan has Lennon.
2373
02:21:37,650 --> 02:21:39,520
I was in the control room.
2374
02:21:39,610 --> 02:21:42,360
The camera work
and all of that was great.
2375
02:21:42,440 --> 02:21:44,900
And suddenly it happened.
2376
02:21:44,990 --> 02:21:47,780
He came up and asked me
2377
02:21:47,870 --> 02:21:51,370
John Lennon had died
2378
02:21:51,450 --> 02:21:55,040
2379
02:21:55,120 --> 02:21:58,210
to close the place
2380
02:21:58,290 --> 02:22:01,300
I saw through 11 or 12 cameras to
2381
02:22:01,380 --> 02:22:03,630
a guy running
towards the stage.
2382
02:22:05,300 --> 02:22:08,890
I saw him go on stage, already
You know, out of the corner of my eye.
2383
02:22:11,720 --> 02:22:16,270
The interesting thing about this is that my
band... are ready to enter,
2384
02:22:16,350 --> 02:22:19,230
and Artie is sitting at the end.
2385
02:22:19,310 --> 02:22:20,480
He didn't jump and...
2386
02:22:21,650 --> 02:22:22,550
No.
2387
02:22:25,400 --> 02:22:26,740
I have to talk to you, Paul.
2388
02:22:26,820 --> 02:22:28,990
I have to talk to you.
I have to talk to you.
2389
02:22:31,490 --> 02:22:33,830
2390
02:22:33,910 --> 02:22:38,500
big Johnny Ace, yeah, yeah, yeah
2391
02:22:38,580 --> 02:22:40,962
I asked them both
what were they thinking
2392
02:22:41,042 --> 02:22:44,250
and Artie's thought
It was, "Oh, I can't believe it."
2393
02:22:44,340 --> 02:22:46,340
This guy is ruining
Paul's song.
2394
02:22:46,420 --> 02:22:48,130
And Paul's thought was:
2395
02:22:48,220 --> 02:22:52,100
"I can't believe this guy
is ruining my song."
2396
02:22:52,180 --> 02:22:54,000
Because they acted
during the 60's,
2397
02:22:54,080 --> 02:22:56,500
neither of them
He thought: "I'm going to die."
2398
02:22:58,730 --> 02:23:00,520
Thank you so much.
2399
02:23:00,600 --> 02:23:02,610
Yes, thanks from the
bottom of our hearts.
2400
02:23:02,690 --> 02:23:05,320
- Gracias.
- You made us feel great.
2401
02:23:05,400 --> 02:23:11,530
After the concert in Central Park
with Simon and Garfunkel, it was a huge success.
2402
02:23:11,620 --> 02:23:17,960
And then he forced us to, or forced me
me, to get the group back together.
2403
02:23:18,040 --> 02:23:21,290
and taking a tour.
2404
02:23:21,380 --> 02:23:26,800
I'm like a swimmer standing on the edge of
the pool that is now looking at the water.
2405
02:23:26,880 --> 02:23:29,130
for a couple of weeks,
dying to enter.
2406
02:23:29,220 --> 02:23:31,040
I'm very, very excited.
2407
02:23:31,620 --> 02:23:33,010
I always like it
sing with Artie.
2408
02:23:33,100 --> 02:23:34,670
Could you turn a
little to your left?
2409
02:23:34,760 --> 02:23:37,270
I'm telling you, I just can't.
get along with that boy.
2410
02:23:37,360 --> 02:23:38,730
Very difficult.
No, I'm joking.
2411
02:23:38,810 --> 02:23:41,660
We were notoriously
antagonistic, but I thought,
2412
02:23:42,150 --> 02:23:44,860
did you know? I'm going to
leave all that aside
2413
02:23:44,940 --> 02:23:48,650
and just have a good
reunion tour with Artie.
2414
02:23:50,320 --> 02:23:52,720
Here's another new song
called "Think Too Much."
2415
02:23:56,830 --> 02:23:59,000
Does Art Garfunkel ever
Did it ever get on your nerves?
2416
02:24:02,580 --> 02:24:04,540
Oh, he always told me
gets on your nerves.
2417
02:24:05,990 --> 02:24:07,670
-He was...
- I shouldn't always say,
2418
02:24:07,760 --> 02:24:10,550
but periodically we
We get on each other's nerves.
2419
02:24:10,630 --> 02:24:13,470
When I say periodically,
I mean yes
2420
02:24:13,550 --> 02:24:16,390
we are together,
probably every day.
2421
02:24:19,600 --> 02:24:21,730
2422
02:24:21,810 --> 02:24:23,360
tough, okay
2423
02:24:23,450 --> 02:24:24,490
We both did it.
2424
02:24:24,770 --> 02:24:28,230
for my own good
2425
02:24:28,320 --> 02:24:30,360
2426
02:24:30,440 --> 02:24:32,450
2427
02:24:32,530 --> 02:24:36,780
you think as much as you could
2428
02:24:36,870 --> 02:24:38,740
2429
02:24:41,160 --> 02:24:45,710
fortunately it was brief
2430
02:24:45,790 --> 02:24:48,210
of disbelief
2431
02:24:48,300 --> 02:24:50,314
I've known Art since
I'm 10 years old
2432
02:24:50,394 --> 02:24:54,300
so I think we have developed
our own style of disagreement.
2433
02:24:54,380 --> 02:24:56,050
You know? Is...
2434
02:24:56,140 --> 02:24:59,720
It is a very subtle way
to irritate the other person.
2435
02:24:59,810 --> 02:25:02,230
2436
02:25:02,310 --> 02:25:03,810
2437
02:25:03,890 --> 02:25:05,663
As the tour was a
success, we said, well,
2438
02:25:05,743 --> 02:25:07,560
the disk on which
I was working,
2439
02:25:07,650 --> 02:25:10,480
"Hearts and Bones" will be a
disco de Simon and Garfunkel.
2440
02:25:10,570 --> 02:25:12,650
2441
02:25:12,740 --> 02:25:15,370
You were separated for 11 years,
each one went their separate ways.
2442
02:25:15,460 --> 02:25:17,490
Was it difficult for you
after separation?
2443
02:25:17,570 --> 02:25:19,240
I don't remember it being so difficult,
2444
02:25:19,330 --> 02:25:21,500
rather it was exciting.
2445
02:25:21,580 --> 02:25:23,830
to carry out their individual work.
2446
02:25:23,910 --> 02:25:27,890
I went in knowing that probably
It wouldn't be as popular or as successful.
2447
02:25:29,170 --> 02:25:31,960
as was Simon
and Garfunkel, but...
2448
02:25:34,170 --> 02:25:35,760
That's what I expected.
2449
02:25:35,840 --> 02:25:38,600
And it wasn't, but
It was... it was exciting
2450
02:25:38,680 --> 02:25:41,010
and artistically
satisfactory for me.
2451
02:25:41,100 --> 02:25:42,520
I liked it.
2452
02:25:42,600 --> 02:25:44,942
Listen, tell me about
the reunion concert
2453
02:25:45,022 --> 02:25:46,688
The way in which
we used to work was
2454
02:25:46,768 --> 02:25:49,310
that I wrote a song
and we resolved the harmonies
2455
02:25:49,400 --> 02:25:50,770
and sing it together.
2456
02:25:50,860 --> 02:25:52,690
We were friends.
We were hanging out.
2457
02:25:52,780 --> 02:25:55,110
But when we were
doing "Hearts and Bones",
2458
02:25:55,200 --> 02:25:59,830
Artie's idea was "Give me
the songs and I will go to Switzerland"
2459
02:25:59,910 --> 02:26:03,700
and walk and compose
the harmonies. "
2460
02:26:03,790 --> 02:26:07,290
It was a recapitulation of
He's in Mexico making a movie.
2461
02:26:07,370 --> 02:26:11,130
Well now I wanted
smoking and walking around Switzerland
2462
02:26:11,210 --> 02:26:13,300
and invent harmonies
with these songs.
2463
02:26:13,380 --> 02:26:16,680
And then he sent them back,
We looked and said, what is that?
2464
02:26:17,760 --> 02:26:19,550
What is this?
2465
02:26:19,640 --> 02:26:22,640
It didn't sound like him
old Simon and Garfunkel.
2466
02:26:22,720 --> 02:26:25,140
2467
02:26:25,230 --> 02:26:27,850
And I just said, I can't
work this way.
2468
02:26:27,940 --> 02:26:31,860
2469
02:26:31,940 --> 02:26:36,860
park as bookends
2470
02:26:36,950 --> 02:26:40,410
among the grass
2471
02:26:40,490 --> 02:26:43,870
2472
02:26:43,950 --> 02:26:50,170
of old friends
2473
02:26:50,250 --> 02:26:54,880
The breakup that occurred after
Catch-22, it was never repaired.
2474
02:26:54,960 --> 02:26:56,720
They just put it
a bandage on top.
2475
02:26:56,800 --> 02:26:59,680
But the bandage was so luxurious,
2476
02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:02,100
the concert in Central Park...
2477
02:27:02,180 --> 02:27:07,390
coats waiting for the sun
2478
02:27:07,480 --> 02:27:13,190
We forget that, essentially,
We were done as a team.
2479
02:27:13,270 --> 02:27:17,690
Will you part again
after the tour, Art?
2480
02:27:17,780 --> 02:27:20,570
No, I mean, I don't think so.
that when the tour ends,
2481
02:27:20,660 --> 02:27:23,530
Let's say that completes
what we set out to do.
2482
02:27:23,620 --> 02:27:26,700
So we both have
thought that possibly
2483
02:27:26,790 --> 02:27:29,870
let's do more together
after that.
2484
02:27:29,960 --> 02:27:32,630
So I decided
that I'm not going to do it.
2485
02:27:32,710 --> 02:27:34,340
Now I have to
make an announcement.
2486
02:27:34,430 --> 02:27:35,800
"Hearts and bones"...
2487
02:27:35,880 --> 02:27:38,880
It won't be an album
by Simon and Garfunkel.
2488
02:27:38,970 --> 02:27:40,760
Everyone was disappointed.
2489
02:27:40,840 --> 02:27:42,720
So that record
it was like damn
2490
02:27:42,800 --> 02:27:46,180
before really
could take off.
2491
02:27:48,640 --> 02:27:51,919
Some of the songs
I took them to a wonderful place
2492
02:27:51,999 --> 02:27:54,230
for what i can
do with harmony.
2493
02:27:54,310 --> 02:27:56,230
and how can I
rearrange things.
2494
02:27:56,320 --> 02:27:58,240
Paul was telling me
repressing, saying:
2495
02:27:58,320 --> 02:27:59,990
"I don't want to do that.
2496
02:28:00,070 --> 02:28:03,210
You forget, Artie, what you're doing
a serious statement when you do that.
2497
02:28:03,290 --> 02:28:05,710
I don't want to make that statement
about these songs."
2498
02:28:05,790 --> 02:28:08,260
The statement that was
doing was that these songs
2499
02:28:08,350 --> 02:28:11,460
are about to turn
much more attractive.
2500
02:28:11,540 --> 02:28:15,590
because the visceral appeal is
increasing considerably.
2501
02:28:15,670 --> 02:28:18,590
So I was about to
do that with all the songs.
2502
02:28:18,670 --> 02:28:22,180
And Paul... Paul called me one day.
2503
02:28:22,260 --> 02:28:24,260
I was in New England.
2504
02:28:24,340 --> 02:28:27,820
He said, "Artie, I'm going to
erase all your tapes.
2505
02:28:27,900 --> 02:28:29,940
I'm deleting your
harmonies throughout the album.
2506
02:28:30,030 --> 02:28:31,380
"Oh, really, Paul?"
2507
02:28:31,560 --> 02:28:33,770
"And I will marry
Carrie Fisher on Tuesday.
2508
02:28:33,850 --> 02:28:35,310
Do you want to come to the wedding?"
2509
02:28:37,570 --> 02:28:40,780
Ladies and gentlemen,
Carrie Fisher.
2510
02:28:45,530 --> 02:28:50,290
I felt a little uncomfortable leaving
with my Princess Leia costume.
2511
02:28:50,370 --> 02:28:53,460
Because it might seem like
I'm blowing up Star Wars.
2512
02:28:53,540 --> 02:28:55,670
But you know, I followed it because,
2513
02:28:55,750 --> 02:28:57,630
you know, if I go out
like myself,
2514
02:28:57,710 --> 02:28:59,130
Who would recognize me?
2515
02:28:59,210 --> 02:29:02,050
And Obi Wan said,
look, the costume...
2516
02:29:02,130 --> 02:29:05,180
In the middle of that tour
reunion, I got married.
2517
02:29:05,260 --> 02:29:07,800
I married Carrie Fisher.
2518
02:29:12,770 --> 02:29:15,230
Thank you all for joining us
on our honeymoon.
2519
02:29:15,310 --> 02:29:17,650
we couldn't
have done it without you.
2520
02:29:19,940 --> 02:29:24,740
song about the moon
2521
02:29:24,820 --> 02:29:27,107
evening craters
2522
02:29:27,187 --> 02:29:29,530
Were you the godfather
wedding at the wedding?
2523
02:29:29,620 --> 02:29:31,230
- The best man.
- The best man.
2524
02:29:31,310 --> 02:29:33,080
Yes, what is the preferred role.
2525
02:29:33,160 --> 02:29:36,040
deep and the light is strange
2526
02:29:36,120 --> 02:29:38,540
For the commitment
We went to Greece.
2527
02:29:38,630 --> 02:29:40,750
Paul had rented a boat.
2528
02:29:40,840 --> 02:29:44,670
I was dizzy for three days
on the railing praying for death.
2529
02:29:44,760 --> 02:29:47,220
Apart from that, it was a
very fun moment.
2530
02:29:47,300 --> 02:29:49,890
And for the honeymoon we went
2531
02:29:49,970 --> 02:29:52,060
to Egypt, we went up the Nile.
2532
02:29:52,140 --> 02:29:55,600
he laughed a lot
2533
02:29:55,690 --> 02:30:00,230
2534
02:30:00,320 --> 02:30:03,690
laughs a lot
2535
02:30:03,780 --> 02:30:07,360
They rolled down his face
2536
02:30:07,450 --> 02:30:10,410
There were many things
notable at that time.
2537
02:30:10,490 --> 02:30:13,950
But also, they are
two people at the top
2538
02:30:14,040 --> 02:30:16,710
of his career, and that
It's always complicated.
2539
02:30:16,790 --> 02:30:18,710
Everything was one
kind of whirlwind.
2540
02:30:18,790 --> 02:30:21,090
Carrie was in a complete
2541
02:30:21,170 --> 02:30:23,550
fame bubble
because of Star Wars.
2542
02:30:23,630 --> 02:30:26,050
Carrie was much more
oriented to the world of entertainment.
2543
02:30:26,130 --> 02:30:27,560
I agreed with that.
2544
02:30:27,640 --> 02:30:29,300
That's the world
in which she grew up.
2545
02:30:29,390 --> 02:30:32,390
I was used to it, used to it
to a lot of press and things like that.
2546
02:30:32,470 --> 02:30:34,560
It wasn't intimidating.
or anything like that.
2547
02:30:34,640 --> 02:30:37,640
He knew how to manipulate it and
make it work for her.
2548
02:30:37,730 --> 02:30:39,600
She was really good at it.
2549
02:30:39,690 --> 02:30:41,060
And it wasn't.
2550
02:30:44,990 --> 02:30:48,570
In the 70s, Paul forged
a very successful career.
2551
02:30:48,660 --> 02:30:51,370
That's true, but in the '80s,
Paul had some problems.
2552
02:30:51,460 --> 02:30:52,780
He made an album and it flopped.
2553
02:30:52,870 --> 02:30:54,910
made a movie
and it also failed.
2554
02:30:55,000 --> 02:30:56,703
and then he got married
with Carrie Fisher,
2555
02:30:56,783 --> 02:30:59,460
and six months later, the
marriage also failed.
2556
02:31:01,000 --> 02:31:05,090
You know, I mean,
What was I thinking about?
2557
02:31:05,170 --> 02:31:08,567
You know, I mean,
certainly don't think about life,
2558
02:31:08,647 --> 02:31:11,260
you know, that in
You actually have to stop.
2559
02:31:11,340 --> 02:31:15,140
Marriage is very... it's a difficult thing.
to do, you need to focus on it.
2560
02:31:15,220 --> 02:31:16,770
Not everything can happen at once.
2561
02:31:16,850 --> 02:31:18,480
Not everything is a
media event.
2562
02:31:18,560 --> 02:31:22,610
All kinds of errors on top
of errors on top of errors.
2563
02:31:22,690 --> 02:31:26,320
I realized that
I could get tired of...
2564
02:31:26,400 --> 02:31:30,280
In fact, I might run out
2565
02:31:30,360 --> 02:31:33,990
with... an emotional disorder.
2566
02:31:34,080 --> 02:31:37,200
Have you ever had problems
to face one day then?
2567
02:31:37,290 --> 02:31:40,870
Did you ever think
What, oh man...?
2568
02:31:40,960 --> 02:31:44,630
Worst. Worst.
2569
02:31:55,720 --> 02:31:59,390
2570
02:31:59,480 --> 02:32:03,900
wherever they want
2571
02:32:03,980 --> 02:32:08,400
in the Blood of Christ
2572
02:32:08,490 --> 02:32:14,870
mountains of new mexico
2573
02:32:14,950 --> 02:32:17,700
leg of a trip
2574
02:32:17,790 --> 02:32:22,080
2575
02:32:22,170 --> 02:32:26,540
2576
02:32:26,630 --> 02:32:32,050
desert air
2577
02:32:32,130 --> 02:32:38,720
they slide between the stones
2578
02:32:38,810 --> 02:32:41,100
2579
02:32:43,190 --> 02:32:45,560
2580
02:32:45,650 --> 02:32:47,220
Was the marriage
something wrong?
2581
02:32:47,310 --> 02:32:48,230
- Yeah.
- Because?
2582
02:32:48,320 --> 02:32:49,860
We were much better.
2583
02:32:49,940 --> 02:32:52,450
Well because I think
If you look at me, at most,
2584
02:32:52,530 --> 02:32:55,030
you might think I am
an interesting girlfriend.
2585
02:32:55,120 --> 02:32:56,530
But a wife?
2586
02:32:56,620 --> 02:32:59,240
I think you will be disappointed.
2587
02:32:59,330 --> 02:33:02,790
Poor Paul...he had to
put up with me a lot.
2588
02:33:02,870 --> 02:33:05,290
I think in the end
I fell under the title
2589
02:33:05,380 --> 02:33:08,210
of a good anecdote,
bad reality
2590
02:33:08,300 --> 02:33:10,210
I was very good at the material.
2591
02:33:10,300 --> 02:33:12,760
But as far as
to everyday life,
2592
02:33:12,840 --> 02:33:15,390
I was a little more
what he could bear.
2593
02:33:15,470 --> 02:33:18,310
2594
02:33:18,390 --> 02:33:23,600
Because of who I am, where am I?
2595
02:33:23,690 --> 02:33:26,560
Why don't you love me
Because of who I am, where am I?
2596
02:33:26,650 --> 02:33:29,440
It's not the world, baby
2597
02:33:29,520 --> 02:33:31,900
Things are not like that.
2598
02:33:31,990 --> 02:33:34,570
2599
02:33:34,650 --> 02:33:37,070
I remember someone reviewed it.
2600
02:33:37,160 --> 02:33:40,330
He said, "Wow, I sure don't
I would like to be close to Paul Simon.
2601
02:33:40,410 --> 02:33:44,580
"He seems like a very cold guy,"
you already know.
2602
02:33:44,660 --> 02:33:46,420
It's a song, you know?
2603
02:33:46,500 --> 02:33:49,960
It's a song. That
It is not my official philosophy.
2604
02:33:50,050 --> 02:33:52,340
I'm telling a story.
2605
02:33:56,720 --> 02:34:00,640
2606
02:34:00,720 --> 02:34:04,930
2607
02:34:05,020 --> 02:34:07,600
old acquaintances
2608
02:34:07,690 --> 02:34:09,940
2609
02:34:10,020 --> 02:34:13,940
had been the most damaged
2610
02:34:16,780 --> 02:34:19,780
2611
02:34:19,870 --> 02:34:25,460
will be your reward
2612
02:34:25,540 --> 02:34:29,960
2613
02:34:30,040 --> 02:34:34,050
2614
02:34:34,130 --> 02:34:36,340
You've already had two marriages.
2615
02:34:36,420 --> 02:34:40,010
Do you think marriage is
out of the question in the future?
2616
02:34:40,100 --> 02:34:44,470
No, I think that if you fall in love,
2617
02:34:44,560 --> 02:34:47,140
you will probably get married.
2618
02:34:47,230 --> 02:34:51,560
So many times
How does that happen to you in life?
2619
02:34:51,650 --> 02:34:53,490
For the lucky ones,
this happens once.
2620
02:34:54,820 --> 02:34:57,430
But to other people
lucky ones it still happens to them.
2621
02:35:02,330 --> 02:35:04,870
Hey Siri, call Edie.
2622
02:35:06,910 --> 02:35:08,000
Hello.
2623
02:35:08,080 --> 02:35:09,500
Hello. What are you doing?
2624
02:35:09,580 --> 02:35:12,750
I'm playing "Mystery Train."
I love it.
2625
02:35:12,840 --> 02:35:14,000
Well, are you ready for me?
2626
02:35:14,090 --> 02:35:15,260
We are.
2627
02:35:15,340 --> 02:35:16,920
Are you sure? Well.
2628
02:35:17,010 --> 02:35:18,220
Good, excellent.
2629
02:35:26,930 --> 02:35:28,230
It's okay, just come in.
2630
02:35:28,310 --> 02:35:30,200
- Hello.
- There she is.
2631
02:35:30,280 --> 02:35:31,800
We are being filmed right now.
2632
02:35:31,880 --> 02:35:34,190
- Oh, they're filming us.
- I'm not going to say anything.
2633
02:35:34,270 --> 02:35:35,700
Oh yes, that's right.
I forgot.
2634
02:35:35,780 --> 02:35:37,400
- Except hello.
- Yes, that's right.
2635
02:35:37,490 --> 02:35:42,170
When I was 16, I had a friend
older and was flipping through his albums.
2636
02:35:43,450 --> 02:35:47,750
and I found
this beautiful face.
2637
02:35:47,830 --> 02:35:49,910
And I felt chills on the back of my neck.
2638
02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:52,710
And I said, "Look at this guy!"
2639
02:35:52,790 --> 02:35:55,210
And she said:
"You don't know Paul Simon?
2640
02:35:55,300 --> 02:35:56,880
You'll love their music too."
2641
02:35:59,510 --> 02:36:03,220
Ladies and gentlemen, Edie
Brickell and the new bohemians.
2642
02:36:03,300 --> 02:36:04,890
When you were in
Saturday Night Live
2643
02:36:04,970 --> 02:36:07,430
for the first time,
Did you have that same vibe?
2644
02:36:07,520 --> 02:36:09,480
Yes. I was surprised.
2645
02:36:09,560 --> 02:36:12,440
Everything was prepared because
2646
02:36:12,520 --> 02:36:14,900
we had been there for two years
playing that song.
2647
02:36:14,980 --> 02:36:17,150
of too many things
2648
02:36:17,230 --> 02:36:18,490
2649
02:36:18,570 --> 02:36:20,110
2650
02:36:20,200 --> 02:36:22,990
They said, "Just keep going."
the red dots of the camera.
2651
02:36:23,070 --> 02:36:25,580
When you see it light up
the red light, look at that camera."
2652
02:36:25,670 --> 02:36:28,330
2653
02:36:28,410 --> 02:36:30,580
a box of cereal?
2654
02:36:30,660 --> 02:36:33,260
And I'm doing all this,
2655
02:36:33,340 --> 02:36:35,080
feeling pretty
sure, getting over it.
2656
02:36:35,170 --> 02:36:38,630
And then I look at the light
red central chamber
2657
02:36:38,710 --> 02:36:41,630
and there is paul simon
standing right next to it.
2658
02:36:41,720 --> 02:36:45,180
And everyone else is
sunk in the shadows.
2659
02:36:45,260 --> 02:36:47,930
And he stands out
like a hologram.
2660
02:36:48,010 --> 02:36:52,480
It was like waking up from
one dream to another dream.
2661
02:36:52,560 --> 02:36:56,650
I didn't want to distract her, nor
I thought for a moment
2662
02:36:56,730 --> 02:37:00,280
that she would be me
paying attention at all.
2663
02:37:00,360 --> 02:37:01,950
2664
02:37:02,030 --> 02:37:04,990
I lost it. I forgot the song.
2665
02:37:05,070 --> 02:37:08,370
So at the end of
the song, I repeat myself.
2666
02:37:08,450 --> 02:37:11,000
2667
02:37:11,080 --> 02:37:17,000
what I am is what I am
2668
02:37:17,090 --> 02:37:19,170
And you can see me turn
and say, "Oh, God...
2669
02:37:19,250 --> 02:37:21,130
"I'm sorry, I'm sorry,"
to the band.
2670
02:37:23,050 --> 02:37:24,654
When I came down from
stage, he presented himself.
2671
02:37:24,734 --> 02:37:27,647
And even then, Lorne
silenced because it had started
2672
02:37:27,727 --> 02:37:30,640
the "End of Update"
week" and we were there talking.
2673
02:37:30,720 --> 02:37:32,689
And now, update
weekend
2674
02:37:32,769 --> 02:37:34,480
with the presenter
Dennis Miller.
2675
02:37:34,560 --> 02:37:37,980
Then Paul said,
We'll talk at the after party.
2676
02:37:38,060 --> 02:37:40,820
I don't know who asked first:
"How old are you?"
2677
02:37:40,900 --> 02:37:44,570
We were both shocked
for the answers, you know?
2678
02:37:44,650 --> 02:37:46,820
It was like a moment
in which we think,
2679
02:37:46,910 --> 02:37:50,660
"Well, there's a good idea."
2680
02:37:50,740 --> 02:37:52,830
But then he said:
"I'm going back to New York
2681
02:37:52,910 --> 02:37:55,040
in a few weeks
to play in a club.
2682
02:37:55,120 --> 02:37:56,920
And I said, "Oh, there I'll go."
2683
02:37:57,000 --> 02:37:58,170
She said, "Oh, great."
2684
02:37:58,250 --> 02:38:00,340
So I did it.
2685
02:38:00,420 --> 02:38:03,090
Then I went to visit her in Dallas.
2686
02:38:03,170 --> 02:38:04,880
I got off the plane.
2687
02:38:04,970 --> 02:38:10,220
There she was in this
1972 yellow truck.
2688
02:38:10,310 --> 02:38:13,060
I guess that was ours.
first, you know, big date.
2689
02:38:13,140 --> 02:38:14,730
We get along well.
2690
02:38:14,810 --> 02:38:17,600
There was a...
a sweet attraction.
2691
02:38:17,690 --> 02:38:19,020
Here you go.
2692
02:38:19,110 --> 02:38:22,400
2693
02:38:24,610 --> 02:38:26,700
Hey, but, uh...
2694
02:38:26,780 --> 02:38:29,200
time continued
changing on this.
2695
02:38:29,280 --> 02:38:32,370
Therefore, I want to make sure
to visit the right place.
2696
02:38:32,450 --> 02:38:34,160
And we will give you three
or four takes.
2697
02:38:35,870 --> 02:38:38,710
I've never met anyone like Edie.
2698
02:38:38,790 --> 02:38:44,050
She is very interested in the mystery,
the great mystery of life.
2699
02:38:46,010 --> 02:38:49,550
You will never be able to solve the mystery,
and that's the good thing about it.
2700
02:38:49,640 --> 02:38:51,050
You don't want to solve it.
2701
02:38:51,140 --> 02:38:53,890
But you try to connect to it.
2702
02:38:53,970 --> 02:38:58,100
And I follow what she thinks
and I follow his instincts.
2703
02:39:00,150 --> 02:39:03,780
Paul inspires you to feel and
think something for yourself.
2704
02:39:04,860 --> 02:39:09,240
He opens his palms and says:
"What are we going to do?"
2705
02:39:09,320 --> 02:39:12,410
2706
02:39:15,410 --> 02:39:21,960
blotted out the sunny skies
2707
02:39:22,040 --> 02:39:28,510
hitchhikers beckoned to us
2708
02:39:28,590 --> 02:39:34,350
2709
02:39:34,430 --> 02:39:40,140
2710
02:39:40,230 --> 02:39:42,190
2711
02:39:42,270 --> 02:39:47,280
2712
02:39:47,360 --> 02:39:53,950
2713
02:39:54,030 --> 02:39:59,370
2714
02:39:59,460 --> 02:40:02,330
2715
02:40:02,420 --> 02:40:06,710
2716
02:40:06,800 --> 02:40:11,720
2717
02:40:14,600 --> 02:40:20,350
in fog with a little luck
2718
02:40:20,440 --> 02:40:26,570
a place to stay
2719
02:40:29,570 --> 02:40:32,030
2720
02:40:32,110 --> 02:40:38,660
of regional perfumes
2721
02:40:38,750 --> 02:40:42,870
2722
02:40:42,960 --> 02:40:46,090
stars provide us
2723
02:40:46,170 --> 02:40:50,670
2724
02:40:50,760 --> 02:40:55,760
2725
02:40:55,850 --> 02:40:58,560
2726
02:40:58,640 --> 02:41:03,730
2727
02:41:03,810 --> 02:41:08,110
different there is
2728
02:41:08,190 --> 02:41:12,070
2729
02:41:15,620 --> 02:41:20,040
2730
02:41:22,500 --> 02:41:29,420
in your head
2731
02:41:29,500 --> 02:41:34,880
looked down at the ground
2732
02:41:34,970 --> 02:41:39,640
2733
02:41:39,720 --> 02:41:43,390
2734
02:41:47,850 --> 02:41:51,570
2735
02:41:51,650 --> 02:41:58,410
make your songs of praise
2736
02:41:58,490 --> 02:42:03,580
those ropes
2737
02:42:03,660 --> 02:42:10,460
2738
02:42:22,180 --> 02:42:24,430
There's something... there's something that...
2739
02:42:24,520 --> 02:42:26,520
There is something...
2740
02:42:26,600 --> 02:42:29,600
There is something unsatisfying about that.
2741
02:42:29,690 --> 02:42:32,150
In the idea, not in the execution.
2742
02:42:33,730 --> 02:42:35,820
Oh...
2743
02:42:35,900 --> 02:42:38,990
Let's play it again and
2744
02:42:39,070 --> 02:42:41,450
Let's see if we can follow the...
2745
02:42:41,530 --> 02:42:46,160
the... the fall of the...
of the guitar... the guitar.
2746
02:42:46,250 --> 02:42:49,040
Yes, I don't want that
is too clean.
2747
02:43:00,390 --> 02:43:01,970
It's lovely.
2748
02:43:06,560 --> 02:43:08,480
I'm sorry.
2749
02:43:08,560 --> 02:43:11,690
Hi Jeff. I'm
leaving the stage.
2750
02:43:12,820 --> 02:43:17,150
Last night I had the worst cough
that I have had until now.
2751
02:43:17,240 --> 02:43:20,070
Really, I want
say, that thing,
2752
02:43:20,160 --> 02:43:21,990
literally, I
made him fall to his knees.
2753
02:43:22,070 --> 02:43:24,700
I just... I just...
2754
02:43:24,790 --> 02:43:26,200
It was incredible.
2755
02:43:26,290 --> 02:43:28,410
But I feel great
in the day, but God,
2756
02:43:28,500 --> 02:43:30,210
I'm afraid of the nights.
2757
02:43:32,630 --> 02:43:35,500
Yes, I will call you... yes.
2758
02:43:35,590 --> 02:43:38,220
Well I will do it.
2759
02:43:38,300 --> 02:43:40,510
They are backwards.
2760
02:43:40,590 --> 02:43:42,010
That's ok.
2761
02:43:48,180 --> 02:43:50,940
Wait, wait, yes.
2762
02:44:03,160 --> 02:44:07,370
Let's do this other part, simply
Let's start with the word "home."
2763
02:45:06,680 --> 02:45:09,600
This album is going to
be very special.
2764
02:45:09,680 --> 02:45:11,930
Well I almost cried for
a minute up there.
2765
02:45:12,020 --> 02:45:13,270
I can understand.
2766
02:45:13,350 --> 02:45:15,100
At one o'clock, I almost
made me cry now.
2767
02:45:15,190 --> 02:45:17,360
It's beautiful, Paul.
2768
02:45:17,440 --> 02:45:20,110
2769
02:45:20,190 --> 02:45:25,700
2770
02:45:25,780 --> 02:45:32,120
You know, this reminds me...
2771
02:45:32,200 --> 02:45:37,960
how I felt
for... moments in
2772
02:45:38,040 --> 02:45:40,460
South Africa when I said,
it actually works.
2773
02:45:56,560 --> 02:45:58,653
After it came out
"Hearts And Bones",
2774
02:45:58,733 --> 02:46:02,320
and that was not a successful album,
I remember reading somewhere
2775
02:46:02,400 --> 02:46:06,360
where they said, "That's probably
the end of Paul Simon's career.
2776
02:46:06,450 --> 02:46:09,330
You will never have again
Paul Simon News".
2777
02:46:09,410 --> 02:46:12,540
2778
02:46:12,620 --> 02:46:15,370
2779
02:46:15,460 --> 02:46:18,681
There is a quote from Yeats
What I sometimes use is:
2780
02:46:18,761 --> 02:46:22,550
"The disgusting store
rags and bones of the heart".
2781
02:46:22,630 --> 02:46:25,670
As an artist, always
you come back to that...
2782
02:46:25,760 --> 02:46:29,720
to your heart and what you believe
and what you want to create.
2783
02:46:29,800 --> 02:46:32,720
And that's what he did.
2784
02:46:32,810 --> 02:46:36,230
They were hard years
what you are going through,
2785
02:46:36,310 --> 02:46:38,190
"Who am I?"
2786
02:46:38,270 --> 02:46:40,690
And I think he figured it out, you know?
2787
02:46:40,770 --> 02:46:44,960
And then comes Graceland.
2788
02:46:46,450 --> 02:46:47,610
Sing.
2789
02:46:47,700 --> 02:46:51,910
2790
02:46:51,990 --> 02:46:55,750
on a midnight lake
2791
02:46:55,830 --> 02:46:57,290
2792
02:46:57,370 --> 02:47:02,040
Nobody was paying attention to me, which
It was good because until that moment,
2793
02:47:02,130 --> 02:47:04,340
there was always someone
looking over
2794
02:47:04,420 --> 02:47:06,630
from my shoulder to
see what the hit was.
2795
02:47:06,720 --> 02:47:09,430
So not really
I cared that they left me
2796
02:47:09,510 --> 02:47:12,050
in peace because I want
go and follow the music.
2797
02:47:19,730 --> 02:47:21,610
It was around that time
when I was building
2798
02:47:21,690 --> 02:47:25,480
a house in
Montauk, Long Island.
2799
02:47:25,570 --> 02:47:29,990
And while I was driving, I heard this
tape that a friend had given me.
2800
02:47:31,070 --> 02:47:33,280
And after a couple
of weeks driving
2801
02:47:33,370 --> 02:47:35,280
to and from home
and listening to the tape,
2802
02:47:35,360 --> 02:47:38,930
I think, what is this tape?
This is my favorite tape.
2803
02:47:39,420 --> 02:47:42,545
It had no label or
no information,
2804
02:47:42,625 --> 02:47:45,250
It just said: "Accordion
Jive Hits Volume II".
2805
02:47:45,340 --> 02:47:49,430
And that led me to ask the people of
Warner Bros. to track them down for me.
2806
02:47:49,510 --> 02:47:52,340
They tracked him to South Africa.
2807
02:47:52,430 --> 02:47:56,370
I started listening to different
South African music styles.
2808
02:47:57,560 --> 02:47:59,631
I chose three groups that
I liked them a lot
2809
02:47:59,711 --> 02:48:02,270
and I asked them if it was
possible to record with them.
2810
02:48:02,350 --> 02:48:04,480
You're not using this, are you?
2811
02:48:06,690 --> 02:48:10,320
And at the beginning of 1985 I
I proposed starting with this.
2812
02:48:16,370 --> 02:48:18,700
When I entered, I didn't
would have surprised
2813
02:48:18,790 --> 02:48:20,830
that the idea simply
It won't work.
2814
02:48:25,040 --> 02:48:28,300
It took me one or two
days until finally
2815
02:48:28,380 --> 02:48:30,800
I was able to meet him
best of musicians.
2816
02:48:30,880 --> 02:48:35,100
Over there, musicians
really talented, and boom.
2817
02:48:38,270 --> 02:48:41,310
There was an excellent guitarist.
2818
02:48:41,390 --> 02:48:44,230
He started playing some kind
2819
02:48:44,310 --> 02:48:46,320
of strumming that was very nice.
2820
02:48:46,400 --> 02:48:47,720
And I said, I really like that.
2821
02:48:47,800 --> 02:48:49,820
And he said, "Well, just
I'm trying to imitate
2822
02:48:49,900 --> 02:48:51,990
the way people
of the field strums".
2823
02:49:19,600 --> 02:49:24,060
So, we continue
exchanging information
2824
02:49:24,140 --> 02:49:26,900
from Sun Records with
South African music.
2825
02:49:46,330 --> 02:49:50,420
And it continued to merge
with these songs.
2826
02:50:00,970 --> 02:50:03,182
I was working
with Roy Halee,
2827
02:50:03,262 --> 02:50:06,600
the engineer who made
all Simon and Garfunkel.
2828
02:50:06,690 --> 02:50:08,940
And you know, it was
a close friend.
2829
02:50:09,020 --> 02:50:13,110
And the musicians... their attitude to
At first it was something like,
2830
02:50:13,190 --> 02:50:17,170
This white guy wants to pay us
triple, you know, yeah, sure, sure.
2831
02:50:18,160 --> 02:50:20,946
But then they came in
to the control room,
2832
02:50:21,026 --> 02:50:23,330
They listened to him and
They were like, oh, wow.
2833
02:50:31,750 --> 02:50:35,330
Then they start to like: "Let me
make an overdub of that.
2834
02:50:35,420 --> 02:50:37,290
Let me fix that," you know.
2835
02:50:38,840 --> 02:50:44,520
Everyone was excited, and
me too, because that's how it sounded,
2836
02:50:44,600 --> 02:50:48,440
not in my imagination,
but in the speakers.
2837
02:50:48,520 --> 02:50:52,490
The whole idea of โโmixing the
cultures, musical cultures.
2838
02:50:54,570 --> 02:51:01,120
It was a concept of getting good
rhythms and go back and then rewrite them.
2839
02:51:01,200 --> 02:51:02,870
There was really nothing written.
2840
02:51:02,950 --> 02:51:06,374
All Paul's albums, everything
what I did with Paul or with someone,
2841
02:51:06,454 --> 02:51:07,810
They were written songs.
2842
02:51:08,370 --> 02:51:11,361
Being able to enter the studio with
a guy like Paul and he says:
2843
02:51:11,441 --> 02:51:13,610
"Hey, I have something cool
so that everyone can hear me.
2844
02:51:13,900 --> 02:51:16,210
Wait until you hear this,"
and I put "Mrs. Robinson",
2845
02:51:16,300 --> 02:51:17,420
I mean, there it is.
2846
02:51:17,500 --> 02:51:20,440
Here we enter and there is a
idea, you know, a concept.
2847
02:51:22,810 --> 02:51:27,020
That album was recorded in five
different studies around the world...
2848
02:51:27,100 --> 02:51:31,216
one in South Africa, Hit
Factory in New York,
2849
02:51:31,296 --> 02:51:33,900
CBS Studios in Los Angeles.
2850
02:51:38,740 --> 02:51:44,580
A small studio in Crowley,
Louisiana, where I recorded zydeco.
2851
02:51:44,660 --> 02:51:47,067
Abbey Road Studio in London,
2852
02:51:47,147 --> 02:51:50,370
and there we recorded
Ladysmith Black Mambazo.
2853
02:51:50,460 --> 02:51:52,920
2854
02:51:53,000 --> 02:51:55,550
hello, hello, hello
2855
02:51:55,630 --> 02:51:57,887
Roy made everything
that sound will sound
2856
02:51:57,967 --> 02:52:01,340
as if it were one
piece to give it coherence.
2857
02:52:01,430 --> 02:52:03,180
to all these different sounds
2858
02:52:03,260 --> 02:52:06,060
Musicians and locations.
2859
02:52:07,930 --> 02:52:09,770
That's it, just like...
2860
02:52:09,850 --> 02:52:13,020
Yeah, great, then let's go
to "The Boy in the Bubble."
2861
02:52:13,110 --> 02:52:16,530
I just want to show
what is happening.
2862
02:52:16,610 --> 02:52:20,530
Let's just touch it
who was from South Africa with nothing.
2863
02:52:33,670 --> 02:52:36,130
The bass part is
definitely African.
2864
02:52:43,680 --> 02:52:46,100
They said... ese era
its fretless bass.
2865
02:52:46,180 --> 02:52:49,060
That instrument
It's so distinctive.
2866
02:52:49,140 --> 02:52:50,600
It's so powerful.
2867
02:52:55,020 --> 02:52:57,110
It's a great bass part.
2868
02:53:06,030 --> 02:53:11,160
And if we only listen
the accordion alone...
2869
02:53:13,540 --> 02:53:17,630
That accordion sound,
there is a Synclavier,
2870
02:53:17,710 --> 02:53:21,510
a synthesizer
keyboard below.
2871
02:53:21,590 --> 02:53:22,970
Carry it out.
2872
02:53:28,430 --> 02:53:30,850
That's what makes
the thing seems so big.
2873
02:53:35,520 --> 02:53:38,980
For the most part,
no one really knew
2874
02:53:39,060 --> 02:53:41,820
what African music sounded like.
2875
02:53:41,900 --> 02:53:45,110
And this was the first
disc track.
2876
02:53:45,200 --> 02:53:47,150
We were really saying
2877
02:53:47,330 --> 02:53:50,660
that this is
big, from another place.
2878
02:54:09,050 --> 02:54:12,020
En "I Know What I Know",
I was trying to invent
2879
02:54:12,100 --> 02:54:14,560
words that sounded something
similar to what women
2880
02:54:14,640 --> 02:54:16,480
cantaban en Shangaan.
2881
02:54:27,740 --> 02:54:29,740
2882
02:54:29,830 --> 02:54:32,928
back of my head
2883
02:54:33,008 --> 02:54:34,160
2884
02:54:34,250 --> 02:54:35,500
2885
02:54:35,580 --> 02:54:37,750
2886
02:54:37,830 --> 02:54:41,250
the back of my head
2887
02:54:50,430 --> 02:54:53,732
For the song "Graceland",
I started with a drum track.
2888
02:54:53,812 --> 02:54:56,730
that belongs to another song
completely different.
2889
02:54:56,810 --> 02:55:00,360
I wasn't interested in the accordion,
but I liked the drum track.
2890
02:55:01,440 --> 02:55:03,900
because it sounded like Sun Records.
2891
02:55:14,450 --> 02:55:16,910
Top hat doing that.
2892
02:56:01,920 --> 02:56:04,960
When I brought her home and
I was trying to write it,
2893
02:56:05,050 --> 02:56:08,470
I would sing these lines
about Graceland, Graceland.
2894
02:56:08,550 --> 02:56:12,930
And I would say, of course, that I
I'll get rid of the "Graceland" part.
2895
02:56:13,010 --> 02:56:17,500
because, I mean, what does it have to do
see Graceland with South Africa or something like that?
2896
02:56:18,880 --> 02:56:20,850
But then I couldn't
replace it with nothing.
2897
02:56:20,940 --> 02:56:22,440
He was always singing that.
2898
02:56:22,520 --> 02:56:23,910
And finally I said, I don't know.
2899
02:56:24,000 --> 02:56:25,940
Maybe it's supposed to
I must go to Graceland.
2900
02:56:26,020 --> 02:56:26,973
I have never been.
2901
02:56:27,053 --> 02:56:30,190
Maybe I'm supposed to leave
trip and see what I'm writing about.
2902
02:56:30,270 --> 02:56:31,780
So I did it.
2903
02:56:33,870 --> 02:56:36,370
Mississippi brillaba
2904
02:56:36,450 --> 02:56:39,000
2905
02:56:39,080 --> 02:56:41,710
The song started
to write itself.
2906
02:56:41,790 --> 02:56:44,710
river along the road
2907
02:56:44,790 --> 02:56:47,000
the Civil War
2908
02:56:49,420 --> 02:56:52,050
2909
02:56:52,130 --> 02:56:53,890
2910
02:56:53,970 --> 02:56:56,220
And finally
turned into this trip
2911
02:56:56,300 --> 02:56:58,350
father and son for
mend a broken heart.
2912
02:56:58,430 --> 02:57:01,180
pilgrims with families
2913
02:57:01,270 --> 02:57:03,350
2914
02:57:06,270 --> 02:57:10,070
trip is nine years old
2915
02:57:10,150 --> 02:57:13,660
first marriage
2916
02:57:13,740 --> 02:57:15,990
reasons to believe
2917
02:57:16,070 --> 02:57:20,200
received at Graceland
2918
02:57:20,290 --> 02:57:25,710
And Graceland became more
a metaphor than in a real destination.
2919
02:57:25,790 --> 02:57:28,670
tell me he's gone
2920
02:57:30,670 --> 02:57:32,670
2921
02:57:32,760 --> 02:57:36,090
my own bed
2922
02:57:38,850 --> 02:57:41,060
realized
2923
02:57:41,140 --> 02:57:45,850
brushed hair from forehead
2924
02:57:45,940 --> 02:57:49,400
2925
02:57:49,480 --> 02:57:52,070
window in your heart
2926
02:57:53,780 --> 02:57:58,370
that you are destroyed
2927
02:57:58,450 --> 02:58:02,370
2928
02:58:02,450 --> 02:58:05,210
2929
02:58:05,290 --> 02:58:06,710
2930
02:58:06,790 --> 02:58:08,210
2931
02:58:10,840 --> 02:58:13,380
And the album of the year is...
2932
02:58:16,340 --> 02:58:17,930
Yes, what happened?
2933
02:58:18,010 --> 02:58:19,430
Graceland.
2934
02:58:19,510 --> 02:58:21,060
fellow traveler
2935
02:58:21,140 --> 02:58:23,100
and empty sockets
2936
02:58:23,180 --> 02:58:27,230
ghosts and emptiness
2937
02:58:27,310 --> 02:58:29,400
reasons to believe
2938
02:58:29,480 --> 02:58:32,110
received at Graceland
2939
02:58:32,190 --> 02:58:34,440
Graceland by Paul
Simon is a great success,
2940
02:58:34,530 --> 02:58:37,070
with more than a million
of copies sold.
2941
02:58:37,160 --> 02:58:40,830
But it is also controversial because
Simon recorded the album in South Africa
2942
02:58:40,910 --> 02:58:42,410
with black musicians.
2943
02:58:42,490 --> 02:58:46,080
And critics say there shouldn't be
had nothing to do with a racist country.
2944
02:58:46,160 --> 02:58:51,920
I hope to be able to express
properly my deep
2945
02:58:52,000 --> 02:58:55,340
admiration and love for
singers and musicians
2946
02:58:55,420 --> 02:58:58,930
from South Africa who worked
with me at Graceland.
2947
02:59:05,270 --> 02:59:08,600
They live, together with others
south african artists
2948
02:59:08,690 --> 02:59:14,420
and his compatriots, under one of the most
repressive regimes on the planet today.
2949
02:59:15,900 --> 02:59:19,450
And yet, they are
capable of producing
2950
02:59:20,530 --> 02:59:24,290
music of great power,
nuances and joy.
2951
02:59:24,370 --> 02:59:26,500
and that seems to me
simply extraordinary.
2952
02:59:26,580 --> 02:59:29,790
And they have my great
respect and affection.
2953
02:59:29,880 --> 02:59:31,040
Thank you.
2954
02:59:32,790 --> 02:59:35,340
Even now, with
all the success of the album,
2955
02:59:35,420 --> 02:59:37,800
how worried
are you for the accusation?
2956
02:59:37,880 --> 02:59:41,640
who has violated the
UN boycott,
2957
02:59:41,720 --> 02:59:46,850
Has it somehow gone against
of the Anti-Apartheid Movement?
2958
02:59:49,060 --> 02:59:51,842
Well, I mean,
I wouldn't like there to be
2959
02:59:51,922 --> 02:59:54,520
no misunderstanding
about what I've done.
2960
02:59:54,610 --> 02:59:55,980
You know, let's be real.
2961
02:59:56,070 --> 02:59:58,530
The cultural boycott has
as objective to cut
2962
02:59:58,610 --> 03:00:02,320
sustenance to the community
South African white.
2963
03:00:02,410 --> 03:00:04,490
And they have never addressed the issue
2964
03:00:04,580 --> 03:00:08,610
what would happen if someone were to
work with the artistic community
2965
03:00:09,790 --> 03:00:11,710
black because no one
I had done that before.
2966
03:00:11,790 --> 03:00:14,505
However, you
could be exposed
2967
03:00:14,585 --> 03:00:17,920
to the accusation of neighborhoods
cultural marginalities.
2968
03:00:18,010 --> 03:00:21,155
Say it's a neighborhood
poor is to understand
2969
03:00:21,235 --> 03:00:25,350
that we Americans
We live in the upper area,
2970
03:00:25,430 --> 03:00:28,430
and all the others
They are in the center.
2971
03:00:28,520 --> 03:00:31,250
Or we live in the center and everyone
the others are in the upper area.
2972
03:00:31,340 --> 03:00:32,900
Whatever you want to call it.
2973
03:00:32,980 --> 03:00:35,190
Who is the poor neighborhood?
2974
03:00:35,270 --> 03:00:37,940
I mean, we are
talking about music here.
2975
03:00:42,780 --> 03:00:44,870
Ladies and gentlemen,
Hugh Masekela.
2976
03:00:48,700 --> 03:00:53,920
Queen of South African music,
Mama Africa, Miriam Makeba.
2977
03:00:56,040 --> 03:00:58,050
I asked Hugh Masekela and Miriam
2978
03:00:58,130 --> 03:01:00,880
I made them join the tour.
2979
03:01:00,970 --> 03:01:05,550
Both Hugh and Miriam
They were exiled from South Africa.
2980
03:01:05,640 --> 03:01:08,560
They were impressive figures.
2981
03:01:08,640 --> 03:01:10,770
You know, a man
white of the United States,
2982
03:01:10,850 --> 03:01:12,600
I could never have defended
2983
03:01:12,690 --> 03:01:14,389
politically all
the idea of โโGraceland.
2984
03:01:14,469 --> 03:01:16,224
I could defend it musically,
2985
03:01:16,304 --> 03:01:18,900
but I couldn't have
defend it politically.
2986
03:01:18,980 --> 03:01:21,070
I simply
they would have fired.
2987
03:01:21,150 --> 03:01:22,610
It just seems
what could have
2988
03:01:22,700 --> 03:01:25,740
very strong repercussions
be part of this tour.
2989
03:01:25,820 --> 03:01:27,740
But the strong
repercussions from where?
2990
03:01:27,830 --> 03:01:29,410
From South Africa.
2991
03:01:29,490 --> 03:01:33,080
It's an individual choice
as South Africans.
2992
03:01:33,160 --> 03:01:35,920
I'm going to sit
and say, okay,
2993
03:01:36,000 --> 03:01:40,485
I want to be safe while
my cousin, my son, my mother,
2994
03:01:40,565 --> 03:01:44,970
my grandmother and other people
Do they shoot them every day?
2995
03:01:45,050 --> 03:01:48,680
Those who do not want
participate in the tour
2996
03:01:48,760 --> 03:01:53,480
they have the possibility of
say "No, I will not participate."
2997
03:01:53,560 --> 03:01:57,610
But until now, fortunately,
Everyone has said they are going to do it.
2998
03:01:57,690 --> 03:02:01,430
because they know the seriousness of the
problems we have at home.
2999
03:02:02,310 --> 03:02:04,860
She could silence anyone
anywhere, Miriam.
3000
03:02:04,950 --> 03:02:07,030
He is not a person with
the one you want to get involved with.
3001
03:02:07,120 --> 03:02:08,830
I would tell the truth...
3002
03:02:08,910 --> 03:02:13,200
And Hugh could give you a
really precise and revealing vision.
3003
03:02:13,290 --> 03:02:17,330
People have ignored our situation
for a long time, and they have only...
3004
03:02:18,420 --> 03:02:22,130
they have only seen it since
a political point of view.
3005
03:02:22,210 --> 03:02:27,050
So it was great that someone could
be so moved by our music
3006
03:02:27,140 --> 03:02:31,680
that despite all the opposition,
He went and looked for the South Africans and said:
3007
03:02:31,770 --> 03:02:36,230
"I want to be with you and sing with you,
like a human being, you know,
3008
03:02:36,310 --> 03:02:38,310
because your music moves me. "
3009
03:02:53,410 --> 03:02:57,830
The closest we could get
from South Africa was Harare, Zimbabwe.
3010
03:02:57,920 --> 03:03:00,010
I'm not sure if
someone really anticipated
3011
03:03:00,090 --> 03:03:02,026
that would become
in what was,
3012
03:03:02,106 --> 03:03:04,880
that was a hearing
completely integrated.
3013
03:03:06,970 --> 03:03:11,180
That would have been
Illegal in South Africa.
3014
03:03:11,260 --> 03:03:15,416
Many South Africans crossed
the border to see the concert,
3015
03:03:15,496 --> 03:03:17,520
and also many Zimbabweans.
3016
03:03:17,600 --> 03:03:20,520
So you had a great
audience of whites and blacks together.
3017
03:03:20,610 --> 03:03:22,860
No problem,
everyone has a good time.
3018
03:03:35,620 --> 03:03:39,870
Thanks to the tour of
Graceland, we are here.
3019
03:03:39,960 --> 03:03:46,050
But I hope and wish that one day
South Africans can invite Paul Simon.
3020
03:03:48,130 --> 03:03:52,430
To Johannesburg
in a free South Africa!
3021
03:04:24,420 --> 03:04:26,090
3022
03:04:26,170 --> 03:04:27,960
3023
03:04:28,050 --> 03:04:31,260
on the side of the road
3024
03:04:31,340 --> 03:04:33,600
3025
03:04:33,680 --> 03:04:35,350
3026
03:04:35,430 --> 03:04:38,680
baby connected to the radio
3027
03:04:38,770 --> 03:04:42,440
of miracles and wonders
3028
03:04:42,520 --> 03:04:45,520
long distance
3029
03:04:45,610 --> 03:04:49,360
follows us in slow motion
3030
03:04:49,440 --> 03:04:52,780
we see everyone, oh yeah
3031
03:04:52,860 --> 03:04:55,620
a distant constellation
3032
03:04:55,700 --> 03:04:59,700
in a corner of the sky
3033
03:04:59,790 --> 03:05:02,670
of miracles and amazement
3034
03:05:02,750 --> 03:05:05,880
don't cry, don't cry
3035
03:05:46,630 --> 03:05:49,550
of miracles and amazement
3036
03:05:49,630 --> 03:05:52,720
long distance
3037
03:05:52,800 --> 03:05:56,890
Gave everyone a chance
to prove his worth.
3038
03:05:56,970 --> 03:06:00,180
Believe in ourselves, believe
in music and, at the same time,
3039
03:06:00,270 --> 03:06:04,190
be grateful to get it out
and make it world famous.
3040
03:06:16,030 --> 03:06:17,870
3041
03:06:17,950 --> 03:06:20,450
long lost
3042
03:06:22,950 --> 03:06:25,120
3043
03:06:25,210 --> 03:06:28,420
call, you can call me Al
3044
03:06:29,960 --> 03:06:31,090
3045
03:07:00,240 --> 03:07:02,450
We finish the song and the people
3046
03:07:02,540 --> 03:07:05,290
continued encouraging and
clapping, you know?
3047
03:07:07,540 --> 03:07:10,491
I kept waiting for
go to the next song
3048
03:07:10,571 --> 03:07:14,010
and then Ray Phiri said:
"They want you to do it again."
3049
03:07:14,090 --> 03:07:17,630
I said, "Yes, I know, but
"We're going to do this."
3050
03:07:17,720 --> 03:07:20,350
And he said, no, you don't understand.
3051
03:07:20,430 --> 03:07:22,640
They want you to do it again.
3052
03:07:24,520 --> 03:07:27,190
And then we did it again.
3053
03:07:41,070 --> 03:07:42,260
3054
03:07:42,340 --> 03:07:44,490
Am I soft in the middle?
3055
03:07:44,580 --> 03:07:46,200
soft in the middle
3056
03:07:46,280 --> 03:07:47,960
life is very difficult
3057
03:07:48,040 --> 03:07:50,190
to take photographs
3058
03:07:50,270 --> 03:07:51,790
chance of redemption
3059
03:07:51,880 --> 03:07:53,590
in a cartoon
3060
03:07:53,680 --> 03:07:55,400
cartoon
3061
03:07:55,480 --> 03:07:56,880
3062
03:07:56,960 --> 03:07:58,800
3063
03:07:58,880 --> 03:08:01,640
well lit
3064
03:08:01,720 --> 03:08:03,850
3065
03:08:03,930 --> 03:08:05,680
strays from me
3066
03:08:05,770 --> 03:08:09,310
these fun things
3067
03:08:09,390 --> 03:08:11,020
3068
03:08:11,100 --> 03:08:14,570
long lost
3069
03:08:16,900 --> 03:08:18,150
3070
03:08:18,240 --> 03:08:20,680
3071
03:08:20,760 --> 03:08:22,988
and the show
had the gold added
3072
03:08:23,068 --> 03:08:25,990
to have the best
from Hugh's repertoire.
3073
03:08:56,940 --> 03:08:58,940
Incredible performance, and Miriam,
3074
03:08:59,030 --> 03:09:00,530
had a great
international success.
3075
03:09:00,610 --> 03:09:02,230
with a song
called "Pata Pata".
3076
03:09:03,820 --> 03:09:08,200
name of a dance that
3077
03:09:08,290 --> 03:09:11,040
way to johannesburg
3078
03:09:11,120 --> 03:09:15,420
3079
03:09:15,500 --> 03:09:18,880
Pata starts to ring
3080
03:09:30,140 --> 03:09:33,140
I didn't know what to say about being
3081
03:09:33,230 --> 03:09:38,400
the most exiled
famous from South Africa.
3082
03:09:38,480 --> 03:09:41,280
I think when
you are in exile,
3083
03:09:41,360 --> 03:09:46,320
you are in exile,
whether you are famous or not.
3084
03:09:46,410 --> 03:09:49,790
Exile is painful.
3085
03:09:49,870 --> 03:09:53,330
all these years
that they have tried
3086
03:09:53,410 --> 03:09:55,630
separate myself from the people at home,
3087
03:09:55,710 --> 03:09:58,590
There is nothing that can
come between us.
3088
03:09:58,670 --> 03:10:02,562
I'm also happy
that the people at home
3089
03:10:02,642 --> 03:10:06,430
have decided that
they are not going to sit
3090
03:10:06,510 --> 03:10:09,930
and end apartheid
with arms crossed.
3091
03:10:10,010 --> 03:10:13,600
And I thank my people.
3092
03:10:13,680 --> 03:10:18,770
We will get there and
I'll go home.
3093
03:10:19,940 --> 03:10:24,030
3094
03:10:24,110 --> 03:10:27,030
3095
03:10:27,110 --> 03:10:33,290
my grandmother's door
3096
03:10:33,370 --> 03:10:37,330
3097
03:10:37,420 --> 03:10:40,960
3098
03:10:41,050 --> 03:10:44,300
through harmony
3099
03:10:44,380 --> 03:10:48,390
3100
03:10:48,470 --> 03:10:52,810
how do we start to remember
3101
03:10:55,140 --> 03:10:59,650
pulse of love in the vein
3102
03:11:01,900 --> 03:11:08,490
fall and scream your name
3103
03:11:08,570 --> 03:11:10,200
roots of rhythm
3104
03:11:10,280 --> 03:11:14,250
rhythm remain
3105
03:11:24,260 --> 03:11:28,760
3106
03:12:13,470 --> 03:12:14,930
Occurred.
3107
03:12:15,010 --> 03:12:18,060
This idea actually came up and
When we played together, it was great.
3108
03:12:19,140 --> 03:12:21,440
And the people
liked everywhere.
3109
03:12:21,520 --> 03:12:24,440
To the blacks and the
whites, everyone liked it.
3110
03:12:24,520 --> 03:12:27,546
And I think that for
all South Africans,
3111
03:12:27,626 --> 03:12:31,910
who had just lived in
the darkness, it was fantastic.
3112
03:12:45,420 --> 03:12:47,510
3113
03:12:47,590 --> 03:12:51,180
soles of his shoes
3114
03:12:51,260 --> 03:12:55,600
lose that sadness of walking
3115
03:12:55,680 --> 03:12:58,970
soles of your shoes
3116
03:13:01,190 --> 03:13:03,190
physically forgotten
3117
03:13:03,270 --> 03:13:07,110
pocket with my car keys
3118
03:13:07,190 --> 03:13:11,280
sitting because I please you
3119
03:13:11,360 --> 03:13:17,120
3120
03:13:17,200 --> 03:13:23,790
ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
3121
03:13:23,870 --> 03:13:27,380
know what I'm talking about
3122
03:13:27,460 --> 03:13:28,534
3123
03:13:28,614 --> 03:13:30,630
what am i talking about
3124
03:13:30,720 --> 03:13:32,630
The statement he made was:
3125
03:13:32,720 --> 03:13:34,800
listen how
rich is this culture.
3126
03:13:34,890 --> 03:13:37,140
Look at these people.
They are so cool.
3127
03:13:37,220 --> 03:13:41,180
Can you imagine them now
under the boots of apartheid?
3128
03:13:41,270 --> 03:13:43,350
It became real.
3129
03:13:43,440 --> 03:13:45,440
They were real people.
3130
03:13:47,310 --> 03:13:50,057
I think that people
became more passionate
3131
03:13:50,137 --> 03:13:54,320
in his indignation against
the South African regime.
3132
03:13:54,410 --> 03:13:57,370
and in support of the
South African culture.
3133
03:13:57,450 --> 03:14:02,040
3134
03:14:02,120 --> 03:14:04,080
3135
03:14:04,170 --> 03:14:06,380
3136
03:14:06,460 --> 03:14:08,170
3137
03:14:08,250 --> 03:14:10,210
3138
03:14:10,300 --> 03:14:12,090
3139
03:14:12,170 --> 03:14:14,090
3140
03:14:14,180 --> 03:14:16,090
3141
03:14:16,180 --> 03:14:18,550
3142
03:14:18,640 --> 03:14:20,620
Well, "Diamonds on
the soles of their shoes.
3143
03:14:20,710 --> 03:14:23,890
It's really like a
kind of township song.
3144
03:14:23,980 --> 03:14:26,020
3145
03:14:26,100 --> 03:14:28,440
But there was a
connection between
3146
03:14:28,520 --> 03:14:31,530
west africans
and South Africans.
3147
03:14:31,610 --> 03:14:34,740
The track goes from
south african rhythm
3148
03:14:34,820 --> 03:14:37,410
to the rhythm of West Africa.
3149
03:14:48,040 --> 03:14:51,800
And that percussion from Africa
western is really
3150
03:14:51,880 --> 03:14:55,220
which led me to "The
Rhythm of the Saints".
3151
03:14:55,300 --> 03:14:57,090
I was just
following the trail.
3152
03:15:35,880 --> 03:15:38,180
it all started
when there was a club
3153
03:15:38,260 --> 03:15:41,510
in New York called
SOB, Sounds of Brazil.
3154
03:15:41,600 --> 03:15:43,140
It still exists.
3155
03:15:43,220 --> 03:15:45,640
They used to be just
Brazilian music.
3156
03:15:45,720 --> 03:15:47,500
And there I found myself
with Eddie Palmieri.
3157
03:15:47,590 --> 03:15:48,940
He approached me and said:
3158
03:15:49,020 --> 03:15:51,190
"You know, what are you going to do now?"
3159
03:15:51,270 --> 03:15:53,422
You've done Graceland.
What are you going to do?"
3160
03:15:53,502 --> 03:15:56,190
He said, well, you can't.
make just one African album.
3161
03:15:56,280 --> 03:15:58,950
South Africa, that's where
There are the great voices.
3162
03:15:59,030 --> 03:16:00,690
Now you have to go
to West Africa,
3163
03:16:00,770 --> 03:16:03,020
where they are heard
the big drums
3164
03:16:03,200 --> 03:16:06,330
and then follow the drums
in the African diaspora.
3165
03:16:06,410 --> 03:16:10,120
And while I was, you know,
thinking, this is what I'm going to do,
3166
03:16:10,210 --> 03:16:11,880
Quincy Jones called me and said:
3167
03:16:11,960 --> 03:16:13,670
"Do you know Milton Nascimento?
3168
03:16:13,750 --> 03:16:16,050
"He would like to record with you."
3169
03:16:16,130 --> 03:16:18,300
and I said, yes, I would love to.
3170
03:16:38,990 --> 03:16:41,740
So when it's all over,
3171
03:16:41,820 --> 03:16:44,030
I say, "You know what,
If I go to Brazil,
3172
03:16:44,120 --> 03:16:46,580
would you introduce me
to the drummers?"
3173
03:16:46,660 --> 03:16:49,710
And he said, "Yes, of course, I'll put you
in contact with my producer.
3174
03:16:52,460 --> 03:16:57,050
We went to Brazil and I heard
these drums in the street.
3175
03:16:59,130 --> 03:17:01,760
It's Olodum practicing.
3176
03:17:01,840 --> 03:17:04,010
I said, "Wow, that's great."
3177
03:17:04,090 --> 03:17:06,180
Why don't we record that?
3178
03:17:06,260 --> 03:17:09,050
We could just go to a
patio and we will hang the microphones.
3179
03:17:09,130 --> 03:17:10,850
And you know,
We'll let it go."
3180
03:17:10,940 --> 03:17:12,770
So we did it.
3181
03:17:26,120 --> 03:17:29,870
I probably had it for a
year before hearing it again.
3182
03:17:29,950 --> 03:17:32,028
And then I started to break it down
3183
03:17:32,108 --> 03:17:36,380
what became the
base de "The Obvious Child".
3184
03:18:02,030 --> 03:18:04,950
to a peaceful journey
3185
03:18:05,030 --> 03:18:07,160
who has lost his bite
3186
03:18:07,240 --> 03:18:10,450
treat like a fool
3187
03:18:10,540 --> 03:18:12,790
all night
3188
03:18:12,870 --> 03:18:15,620
a lie is just a lie
3189
03:18:15,710 --> 03:18:19,130
deny the obvious to the child
3190
03:18:19,210 --> 03:18:22,590
3191
03:18:22,670 --> 03:18:25,840
traffic signal
3192
03:18:25,930 --> 03:18:31,600
girl when she was young
3193
03:18:31,680 --> 03:18:33,850
songs are true
3194
03:18:33,930 --> 03:18:35,440
3195
03:18:35,520 --> 03:18:37,940
free and listen now
3196
03:18:38,020 --> 03:18:40,440
3197
03:18:40,520 --> 03:18:42,690
3198
03:18:45,780 --> 03:18:46,950
3199
03:18:47,030 --> 03:18:48,200
3200
03:18:50,870 --> 03:18:52,160
3201
03:18:52,240 --> 03:18:53,790
3202
03:18:56,120 --> 03:18:58,830
3203
03:18:58,920 --> 03:19:01,500
have bills to pay
3204
03:19:01,590 --> 03:19:06,130
day by day, day by day
3205
03:19:41,090 --> 03:19:44,023
You will see that in many
of these sessions
3206
03:19:44,103 --> 03:19:47,840
It's something like saying:
"Wow, that's great."
3207
03:19:47,930 --> 03:19:49,860
Where does that come from?"
"Oh, from there."
3208
03:19:49,940 --> 03:19:51,510
"Oh, you can't record there."
3209
03:19:51,600 --> 03:19:55,020
People would say, "No,
that would be very difficult.
3210
03:19:55,100 --> 03:19:57,390
I would say, okay,
so it is very difficult.
3211
03:19:57,480 --> 03:19:59,060
Here we go.
3212
03:19:59,140 --> 03:20:01,020
let's do
something very difficult now.
3213
03:20:01,110 --> 03:20:02,190
It is possible.
3214
03:20:04,780 --> 03:20:08,400
The worst that happens is
that we don't understand it.
3215
03:20:08,490 --> 03:20:10,860
But you never know what
you will find on the way.
3216
03:20:13,780 --> 03:20:18,120
3217
03:20:18,210 --> 03:20:21,710
3218
03:20:21,790 --> 03:20:26,880
3219
03:20:26,960 --> 03:20:32,090
I feel safe
3220
03:20:32,180 --> 03:20:34,560
barking at dawn
3221
03:20:34,640 --> 03:20:37,560
the edges of a storm
3222
03:20:40,980 --> 03:20:43,060
3223
03:20:43,150 --> 03:20:45,570
a sleeping army
3224
03:20:45,650 --> 03:20:49,320
3225
03:20:49,400 --> 03:20:54,280
3226
03:20:54,370 --> 03:20:57,240
restless mother
3227
03:20:57,330 --> 03:21:00,250
3228
03:21:00,330 --> 03:21:02,750
3229
03:21:02,830 --> 03:21:07,130
to break and run
3230
03:21:07,210 --> 03:21:10,420
I'm already used to them
3231
03:21:10,510 --> 03:21:11,890
3232
03:21:11,980 --> 03:21:13,260
3233
03:21:13,340 --> 03:21:15,510
quiet and disappear
3234
03:21:17,930 --> 03:21:22,440
3235
03:21:22,520 --> 03:21:26,440
the tears
3236
03:21:26,520 --> 03:21:32,150
3237
03:21:32,240 --> 03:21:36,990
to tears, oh
3238
03:21:48,460 --> 03:21:50,340
Every record he made,
everything he did,
3239
03:21:50,420 --> 03:21:52,630
it was always a challenge
different for him.
3240
03:21:52,720 --> 03:21:57,010
with the same understanding...
family love,
3241
03:21:58,390 --> 03:22:00,640
loss, rebirth,
3242
03:22:01,430 --> 03:22:04,020
struggle, ambiguity,
3243
03:22:04,940 --> 03:22:08,070
and a contagious and happy rhythm.
3244
03:22:08,150 --> 03:22:10,530
And the story that you
will lead you to realize
3245
03:22:10,610 --> 03:22:13,200
about people from
different traditions,
3246
03:22:13,280 --> 03:22:14,910
and not the reduction
of the feeling
3247
03:22:14,990 --> 03:22:17,030
but the expansion
of the feeling
3248
03:22:17,120 --> 03:22:20,160
and, ultimately, the
integration of life and death.
3249
03:22:21,910 --> 03:22:24,410
Thank you very much, very much.
3250
03:22:26,460 --> 03:22:28,340
May you have one
sweet and calm night.
3251
03:22:28,420 --> 03:22:29,630
Good night.
3252
03:22:32,340 --> 03:22:35,510
I have a little...
You know I love you, boy.
3253
03:22:35,590 --> 03:22:38,010
- Know? Shit.
- I know I love you too, man.
3254
03:22:38,100 --> 03:22:40,010
Curse.
3255
03:22:40,100 --> 03:22:41,680
Thank you for... thank you...
3256
03:22:41,770 --> 03:22:44,180
Thanks man. Come on, you know?
3257
03:22:44,270 --> 03:22:46,151
You never thank me.
It's a blessing for me.
3258
03:22:46,231 --> 03:22:48,020
You can say thank you, you know?
3259
03:22:48,110 --> 03:22:49,190
Not for me.
3260
03:22:56,490 --> 03:23:00,080
I didn't have a letter
the last song,
3261
03:23:00,160 --> 03:23:02,700
but I touched everything
the piece to Wynton.
3262
03:23:02,790 --> 03:23:05,017
And when we got to it, I said:
3263
03:23:05,097 --> 03:23:08,080
"That's the end of
the piece," you know.
3264
03:23:08,170 --> 03:23:10,710
And he said, "Wow." Said:
"I'll tell you what I feel.
3265
03:23:10,790 --> 03:23:12,960
When we get to it,
3266
03:23:13,050 --> 03:23:15,720
I feel that I really
"I don't want to die."
3267
03:23:18,180 --> 03:23:21,430
And that's what
me hizo "whoa".
3268
03:23:21,510 --> 03:23:25,930
3269
03:23:27,890 --> 03:23:31,150
3270
03:23:31,230 --> 03:23:34,150
3271
03:23:36,490 --> 03:23:43,160
3272
03:23:43,240 --> 03:23:46,910
3273
03:23:47,000 --> 03:23:51,670
3274
03:23:53,500 --> 03:23:58,430
of ghosts that I have
3275
03:24:00,390 --> 03:24:06,480
3276
03:24:06,560 --> 03:24:12,980
heartbroken microphone
3277
03:24:15,030 --> 03:24:21,320
3278
03:24:24,370 --> 03:24:27,290
3279
03:24:27,370 --> 03:24:30,620
3280
03:24:30,710 --> 03:24:34,630
3281
03:24:34,710 --> 03:24:38,380
3282
03:24:38,470 --> 03:24:42,220
3283
03:24:42,300 --> 03:24:47,180
3284
03:24:47,270 --> 03:24:52,690
The music comes out of you
from where you don't know.
3285
03:24:52,770 --> 03:24:56,730
3286
03:24:56,820 --> 03:25:00,860
3287
03:25:00,950 --> 03:25:04,660
3288
03:25:04,740 --> 03:25:08,160
Speak this language where
It doesn't have to be precise.
3289
03:25:08,250 --> 03:25:11,920
3290
03:25:12,000 --> 03:25:16,090
3291
03:25:16,170 --> 03:25:19,760
Say something in which
You don't have to think, is that right?
3292
03:25:21,840 --> 03:25:26,060
3293
03:25:28,140 --> 03:25:31,301
If that was my criterion and
everything had to be like this,
3294
03:25:31,381 --> 03:25:33,609
it had to be
true what I said,
3295
03:25:33,689 --> 03:25:36,690
could also be given by
defeated from the beginning.
3296
03:25:36,770 --> 03:25:42,450
3297
03:25:42,530 --> 03:25:44,200
3298
03:25:44,280 --> 03:25:46,410
It can't be done.
3299
03:25:51,200 --> 03:25:54,120
3300
03:25:54,210 --> 03:25:58,040
3301
03:25:58,130 --> 03:26:01,210
3302
03:26:01,300 --> 03:26:05,550
3303
03:26:05,640 --> 03:26:09,390
3304
03:26:09,470 --> 03:26:14,390
3305
03:26:14,480 --> 03:26:18,996
What I've tried to learn,
after all these years,
3306
03:26:19,076 --> 03:26:22,280
is that when you find
something that produces
3307
03:26:22,360 --> 03:26:27,120
a feeling of peace or
joy, try to spread it.
3308
03:26:27,200 --> 03:26:28,990
Try to hold on to it.
3309
03:26:29,080 --> 03:26:36,080
3310
03:26:38,000 --> 03:26:39,090
It's like bliss.
3311
03:26:39,170 --> 03:26:41,130
It's as if there were no more.
3312
03:26:41,210 --> 03:26:42,760
It's a mystery.
3313
03:26:42,840 --> 03:26:45,300
It's a great mystery.
3314
03:27:01,860 --> 03:27:06,320
my old friend
3315
03:27:06,400 --> 03:27:09,200
with you again
3316
03:27:11,870 --> 03:27:16,120
drag gently
3317
03:27:19,710 --> 03:27:21,670
I have to be careful
with that frequency.
3318
03:27:27,470 --> 03:27:31,720
while I was sleeping
3319
03:27:35,810 --> 03:27:38,480
3320
03:27:38,560 --> 03:27:42,320
in my brain
3321
03:27:42,400 --> 03:27:43,690
The guitar needs to go up.
3322
03:27:43,780 --> 03:27:47,820
3323
03:27:47,900 --> 03:27:54,540
sound of silence
3324
03:27:54,620 --> 03:27:59,040
I walked alone
3325
03:28:00,130 --> 03:28:04,510
of cobblestones
3326
03:28:05,590 --> 03:28:09,340
of a streetlight
3327
03:28:10,430 --> 03:28:15,350
the cold and humidity
3328
03:28:16,430 --> 03:28:19,200
3329
03:28:19,690 --> 03:28:23,570
of a neon light
3330
03:28:24,650 --> 03:28:27,860
3331
03:28:28,950 --> 03:28:33,540
of silence
3332
03:28:35,620 --> 03:28:38,960
3333
03:28:40,040 --> 03:28:44,880
3334
03:28:45,960 --> 03:28:51,550
3335
03:28:52,640 --> 03:28:56,340
they hear without listening
3336
03:28:57,720 --> 03:29:00,900
3337
03:29:01,980 --> 03:29:05,570
3338
03:29:06,650 --> 03:29:09,570
3339
03:29:10,650 --> 03:29:12,710
3340
03:29:13,990 --> 03:29:15,990
3341
03:29:18,330 --> 03:29:19,750
Yes I'm fine.
3342
03:29:24,500 --> 03:29:26,130
ยกVaya!
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