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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,914 --> 00:00:02,828 The Justice Department has charged Microsoft with 2 00:00:02,872 --> 00:00:04,917 engaging in anti-competitive... 3 00:00:04,961 --> 00:00:07,050 The government's now going after Microsoft with both barrels. 4 00:00:07,094 --> 00:00:08,878 Designed to maintain its monopoly... 5 00:00:08,921 --> 00:00:10,532 Cool. 6 00:00:10,575 --> 00:00:12,186 In personal computer operating systems. 7 00:00:12,229 --> 00:00:14,797 When you come across a snake, you kill it. 8 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,060 You don't go back and play with a dead snake. 9 00:00:17,104 --> 00:00:19,323 We reached an agreement to sell the 10 00:00:19,367 --> 00:00:22,500 Netscape Communications Corporation to AOL. 11 00:00:23,806 --> 00:00:27,027 This guy who has been calling himself Michael Fenne is really David Kim Stanley, 12 00:00:28,245 --> 00:00:29,725 a fugitive of the law. 13 00:00:29,768 --> 00:00:31,814 What about the technology that I created? 14 00:00:31,857 --> 00:00:34,338 Yeah, well, I'm trying to deal with this bankruptcy stuff so that you 15 00:00:34,382 --> 00:00:35,905 and Chuck don't get arrested. 16 00:00:35,948 --> 00:00:37,211 What? 17 00:00:37,254 --> 00:00:38,821 Hey, what did y'all think of iBash? 18 00:00:38,864 --> 00:00:41,128 Whooo! 19 00:00:41,171 --> 00:00:44,044 You spent twelve million dollars of my money on something that didn't work. 20 00:00:44,087 --> 00:00:45,784 Huh. 21 00:00:45,828 --> 00:00:48,396 Michael Egan told us, "I wanna do business with you guys." 22 00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:50,876 We bought 51% for 20 million. 23 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,183 Which at the time was the single biggest investment 24 00:00:53,227 --> 00:00:55,925 in Internet history by an individual. 25 00:00:55,968 --> 00:00:57,187 Got the girl. 26 00:00:57,231 --> 00:00:58,623 Got the money. 27 00:00:58,667 --> 00:01:01,452 Now I'm ready to live a disgusting frivolous life. 28 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,585 That piece was very damaging. 29 00:01:03,628 --> 00:01:05,369 Dude, you know they took it out of context! 30 00:01:05,413 --> 00:01:06,892 You created the context! 31 00:01:06,936 --> 00:01:09,156 We are running a billion- dollar company. 32 00:01:09,199 --> 00:01:12,289 And you played right into the narrative that maybe we shouldn't be. 33 00:01:16,337 --> 00:01:18,426 Because it burned inside me. 34 00:01:19,427 --> 00:01:20,428 Because. 35 00:01:20,471 --> 00:01:22,125 Be-be-be-because. 36 00:01:22,169 --> 00:01:23,387 Be-be. 37 00:01:23,431 --> 00:01:24,780 Because. 38 00:01:24,823 --> 00:01:26,129 It burned. 39 00:01:26,173 --> 00:01:27,783 Because it burned inside me. 40 00:01:27,826 --> 00:01:29,393 IPO gate is far from a sure case. 41 00:01:29,437 --> 00:01:30,960 -Well, it's the Internet. It's life in the fast line. 42 00:01:31,003 --> 00:01:33,093 -Cash is cash. 43 00:01:33,136 --> 00:01:34,659 -Anyone can create enough wealth in a couple of years to become a billionaire. 44 00:01:34,703 --> 00:01:36,661 -Fun becomes popular. 45 00:01:36,705 --> 00:01:40,578 -Of the 175 Internet companies that went public this year almost one-third 46 00:01:40,622 --> 00:01:43,842 are trading below their initial offering price. 47 00:01:53,852 --> 00:01:56,072 Because it burned inside me. 48 00:01:57,204 --> 00:01:59,162 America Online says combining the Web audience 49 00:01:59,206 --> 00:02:00,685 of AOL and Netscape 50 00:02:00,729 --> 00:02:03,166 will let consumers and businesses do more on the Web. 51 00:02:04,211 --> 00:02:06,604 The combination creates a force to be reckoned with for anyone 52 00:02:07,475 --> 00:02:09,216 targeting consumers on the Internet. 53 00:02:09,259 --> 00:02:10,956 Yes, I went to work at AOL. 54 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,220 Is that so difficult to understand? 55 00:02:14,612 --> 00:02:16,614 Sorry, I'm not angry at you. 56 00:02:16,658 --> 00:02:20,836 Fine, let me break it down: I created something you all now use every day, 57 00:02:22,925 --> 00:02:27,930 that speeds communication, commerce, education, even love. 58 00:02:28,713 --> 00:02:32,630 And that thing was given to all of you. 59 00:02:32,674 --> 00:02:35,198 You're welcome. 60 00:02:35,242 --> 00:02:36,547 Did I make a tidy sum? 61 00:02:36,591 --> 00:02:38,158 Yes, I did. 62 00:02:38,201 --> 00:02:41,639 Did I leverage my wealth and position toward the greater good? 63 00:02:42,118 --> 00:02:44,686 I did the thing I did. 64 00:02:44,729 --> 00:02:48,255 And I retreated from a creative role to something else. 65 00:02:50,692 --> 00:02:53,695 I'm a human being, with an expiration date. 66 00:02:53,738 --> 00:02:55,479 And I'm living the rest of my life. 67 00:02:55,523 --> 00:02:57,046 And I'm definitely done talking about it. 68 00:03:02,965 --> 00:03:04,314 Hey. 69 00:03:04,358 --> 00:03:06,577 Hey. I'm really sorry. 70 00:03:06,621 --> 00:03:08,100 No, man. It's all good. You were right. 71 00:03:08,144 --> 00:03:10,015 No, let's go in the conference room. 72 00:03:10,059 --> 00:03:10,973 I feel really bad. 73 00:03:11,016 --> 00:03:12,670 You drive this company. 74 00:03:12,714 --> 00:03:14,629 You and your vision, made this all happen. 75 00:03:14,672 --> 00:03:16,108 Todd, that's not true. 76 00:03:16,152 --> 00:03:17,980 You made a mistake. 77 00:03:18,023 --> 00:03:19,851 One that got amplified by the fishbowl we're living in as the guys 78 00:03:19,895 --> 00:03:21,462 who started this company. 79 00:03:21,505 --> 00:03:22,898 There wouldn't be a company without you. 80 00:03:22,941 --> 00:03:24,769 There wouldn't be a fishbowl. 81 00:03:24,813 --> 00:03:28,077 And there wouldn't have been the craziest IPO in history. 82 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,121 We did do that. 83 00:03:29,165 --> 00:03:31,080 We did. 84 00:03:31,950 --> 00:03:32,908 . 85 00:03:32,951 --> 00:03:35,737 -Because it burned inside me. 86 00:03:38,870 --> 00:03:41,917 Why are we divided into thirds? 87 00:03:42,222 --> 00:03:43,875 Hello? 88 00:03:50,665 --> 00:03:52,580 Heeyyy, you up? 89 00:03:52,623 --> 00:03:54,277 It's a lot, right? 90 00:03:54,321 --> 00:03:56,888 I know, the entire thing. 91 00:03:56,932 --> 00:04:01,589 This delicious bacchanal, this orgy if you will of money and power, 92 00:04:02,981 --> 00:04:05,549 I mean, that big ol' juicy bubble, 93 00:04:05,593 --> 00:04:07,595 it's starting to stretch tight. 94 00:04:07,638 --> 00:04:11,294 Yeah, I know, you can feel it right, yeah, I know, it is full to bursting, 95 00:04:11,338 --> 00:04:14,819 the signs are everywhere, the center will not hold. 96 00:04:15,907 --> 00:04:18,258 That's Yeats, bitch. 97 00:04:19,128 --> 00:04:21,696 So, I and all of us financial sector experts, 98 00:04:21,739 --> 00:04:24,438 as certified investment practitioners, 99 00:04:24,481 --> 00:04:28,268 do the prudent thing, the wise thing, the right thing, 100 00:04:28,311 --> 00:04:32,010 and hew tightly to our fiduciary responsibility, right? 101 00:04:32,054 --> 00:04:34,970 Well, as they say in the olden days, 102 00:04:35,623 --> 00:04:36,972 NOT. 103 00:04:37,538 --> 00:04:40,018 . 104 00:04:56,948 --> 00:05:00,256 Everybody wanted what we were building. 105 00:05:01,213 --> 00:05:03,912 I told them, I said, you can't have my social security number. 106 00:05:03,955 --> 00:05:07,481 You can't know who I am or where I come from. 107 00:05:07,916 --> 00:05:10,005 If you want what we're building at Pixelon, 108 00:05:10,048 --> 00:05:12,224 you have to leave my past alone, 109 00:05:12,660 --> 00:05:13,835 whatever that may be. 110 00:05:13,878 --> 00:05:15,706 That was the deal. 111 00:05:15,750 --> 00:05:19,014 This guy that's been calling himself Michael Fenne is really... 112 00:05:19,057 --> 00:05:21,364 Somebody named David Kim Stanley, 113 00:05:21,408 --> 00:05:24,802 who is on the State of Virginia's Most Wanted List 114 00:05:24,846 --> 00:05:28,458 for uh, you know, being a fugitive of the law. 115 00:05:28,502 --> 00:05:30,852 First of all, I threw my driver's license away, 116 00:05:30,895 --> 00:05:33,028 threw very piece of, 117 00:05:33,071 --> 00:05:35,944 every trace of anything that might identify me as David Stanley. 118 00:05:36,553 --> 00:05:37,989 I threw all that away. 119 00:05:38,033 --> 00:05:41,819 Um, I dyed my hair blonde, I put on 200 pounds. 120 00:05:43,430 --> 00:05:47,521 I did as much as I could do short of mutilation to change my appearance. 121 00:05:47,564 --> 00:05:51,133 The founder is fictional, which is kind of appropriate because 122 00:05:51,176 --> 00:05:53,353 in many ways the product is fictional too. 123 00:05:54,789 --> 00:05:59,141 Almost immediately after iBash, it was pretty clear that it was a failure. 124 00:05:59,184 --> 00:06:03,798 The fact that they were unable to stream the event live on the Internet confirmed: 125 00:06:04,973 --> 00:06:07,323 That this was a technology that wasn't ready for prime time. 126 00:06:08,106 --> 00:06:12,067 I specifically made it my objective to let the chairman of the board know: 127 00:06:13,416 --> 00:06:16,463 This was not possible and they kept going forward anyway. 128 00:06:17,115 --> 00:06:19,248 The actual broadcast of it live, 129 00:06:19,291 --> 00:06:21,946 Pixelon didn't even broadcast it live. 130 00:06:22,425 --> 00:06:23,470 iBash failed. 131 00:06:23,513 --> 00:06:25,515 . 132 00:06:25,559 --> 00:06:27,474 Michael, this is the last time I'm gonna call you. 133 00:06:27,517 --> 00:06:29,171 I'm getting on a flight and we're gonna hash this out in person. 134 00:06:29,214 --> 00:06:31,521 And you'd better have some very compelling answers. 135 00:06:31,913 --> 00:06:33,393 Just try not to attract attention. 136 00:06:33,436 --> 00:06:35,090 They have people everywhere. 137 00:06:35,133 --> 00:06:37,179 I don't know how to drive and attract any less attention. 138 00:06:37,222 --> 00:06:39,399 If they've put me "beyond salvage" that means they might disappear me. 139 00:06:39,442 --> 00:06:40,791 We just need to keep moving. 140 00:06:40,835 --> 00:06:42,663 Please, speed up! 141 00:06:42,706 --> 00:06:43,925 Michael, you're scaring me. 142 00:06:43,968 --> 00:06:45,448 Hey, pull over! 143 00:06:45,492 --> 00:06:47,319 Ah! Ok. 144 00:06:49,844 --> 00:06:51,280 Ok look, you should be scared. 145 00:06:51,323 --> 00:06:53,935 We should all be scared, the CIA doesn't mess around. 146 00:06:53,978 --> 00:06:55,240 Why would the CIA? 147 00:06:55,284 --> 00:06:57,417 Hey, I told you not to ask me about that. 148 00:06:57,460 --> 00:06:59,288 It puts you at risk! 149 00:06:59,331 --> 00:07:04,249 Michael's behavior by all accounts was increasingly erratic. 150 00:07:05,903 --> 00:07:07,339 The hit squad is probably on the way. 151 00:07:07,383 --> 00:07:10,604 And this new so-called "CEO," Paul Ward? 152 00:07:11,082 --> 00:07:13,345 He's working for the bad guys. 153 00:07:13,389 --> 00:07:15,260 What are you, the "hit squad?" 154 00:07:17,306 --> 00:07:19,743 Are we in danger? 155 00:07:19,787 --> 00:07:22,006 I thought you liked Paul and Denise. 156 00:07:22,050 --> 00:07:23,573 We had them over to the house! 157 00:07:23,617 --> 00:07:27,011 I thought the whole iBash thing was such a big success. 158 00:07:29,144 --> 00:07:30,972 Honey, I need you to do something for me, 159 00:07:31,015 --> 00:07:34,105 you go home, get any of my papers in my office and put them in a box 160 00:07:34,149 --> 00:07:37,282 and then put them in the cubby hole under the garage. Ok? 161 00:07:37,326 --> 00:07:40,329 Yeah. Hey, shh. Get down! 162 00:07:40,764 --> 00:07:42,070 . 163 00:07:42,592 --> 00:07:44,855 . 164 00:07:44,899 --> 00:07:48,468 Ok, sit tight, baby. 165 00:07:49,643 --> 00:07:52,994 Do not answer the phone or the door under any circumstances, 166 00:07:53,864 --> 00:07:55,475 I'm talking about your life here. 167 00:07:55,518 --> 00:07:58,042 This may be the last time we see each other, 168 00:07:58,086 --> 00:08:01,219 know that I have truly loved you, 169 00:08:03,047 --> 00:08:05,397 even when you let me down. 170 00:08:06,573 --> 00:08:09,010 Oh, Michael, please don't say that. 171 00:08:09,619 --> 00:08:12,013 Please. I don't. 172 00:08:13,493 --> 00:08:15,364 Michael, Michael! 173 00:08:23,851 --> 00:08:27,115 AOL is more powerful in consumer activity than any company, 174 00:08:27,550 --> 00:08:29,421 including Microsoft. 175 00:08:29,465 --> 00:08:31,989 So here's competition at its finest, with people slicing up Netscape 176 00:08:32,033 --> 00:08:33,774 for the real key assets. 177 00:08:33,817 --> 00:08:37,865 Andreessen becoming the AOL CTO was a bit of, you know, wow, 178 00:08:38,213 --> 00:08:40,520 that's an interesting one, isn't it? 179 00:08:40,563 --> 00:08:43,958 There's a lot of irony around the uh AOL purpose of Netscape. 180 00:08:44,001 --> 00:08:46,003 That was just part and parcel. 181 00:08:46,047 --> 00:08:48,745 Given everything he had said about the company, yes, it was odd. 182 00:08:48,789 --> 00:08:52,270 And I don't really know even what he did in that role, if anything. 183 00:08:53,097 --> 00:08:55,535 : You've got a visitor. 184 00:08:55,578 --> 00:08:57,145 Ha-ha. 185 00:08:57,754 --> 00:09:00,017 I just wrapped up all my transitional stuff here. 186 00:09:00,061 --> 00:09:03,586 I just want to stop in and let you know where we are with the antitrust case. 187 00:09:04,805 --> 00:09:06,154 Why? 188 00:09:06,197 --> 00:09:07,329 . 189 00:09:07,372 --> 00:09:10,724 Why would you want to update me? 190 00:09:10,767 --> 00:09:14,902 Are you, I, because it has to do with the company, 191 00:09:15,685 --> 00:09:19,123 Marc, with our positions. 192 00:09:19,820 --> 00:09:21,038 My position? 193 00:09:21,082 --> 00:09:22,692 Is that it's over. 194 00:09:22,736 --> 00:09:24,607 It's far from over, Marc. 195 00:09:24,651 --> 00:09:27,915 Microsoft was offered the option of negotiating an out-of-court settlement. 196 00:09:27,958 --> 00:09:30,047 They've opted not to take it. 197 00:09:30,091 --> 00:09:32,180 So it's not over. 198 00:09:32,223 --> 00:09:34,225 They're not taking the option to settle. 199 00:09:34,269 --> 00:09:36,750 No. Of course they're not. 200 00:09:36,793 --> 00:09:39,535 Gates will continue to starve us out until there's nothing left; no engineers, 201 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:42,494 no will toward continuing to fight for open source. 202 00:09:42,538 --> 00:09:44,845 It's a victory by demoralization and attrition. 203 00:09:44,888 --> 00:09:47,412 "Death by a thousand paper cuts." 204 00:09:47,456 --> 00:09:49,937 It's a good strategy, actually. 205 00:09:49,980 --> 00:09:51,982 Yes or no. 206 00:09:52,026 --> 00:09:53,593 Could it be a fool's errand? 207 00:09:53,636 --> 00:09:55,464 Of course it could. 208 00:09:55,507 --> 00:10:00,425 Could it just possibly be an opening to achieving some sort of victory? 209 00:10:00,469 --> 00:10:03,298 I think that that is also possible. 210 00:10:03,341 --> 00:10:06,954 Are you going back and playing with dead snakes, Jim? 211 00:10:06,997 --> 00:10:09,478 The main thing is, I started this thing and I'm gonna finish it. 212 00:10:09,521 --> 00:10:13,482 I made a promise to a lot of our folks to see this thing through. 213 00:10:14,657 --> 00:10:16,485 See, the thing is, Marc. 214 00:10:16,528 --> 00:10:18,922 Thank you, Jim. 215 00:10:18,966 --> 00:10:21,011 . 216 00:10:24,014 --> 00:10:26,495 Alright. 217 00:10:29,803 --> 00:10:32,806 The NASDAQ finally found some life on Friday but beneath 218 00:10:32,849 --> 00:10:35,939 the broad numbers was another day of dot-com meltdown. 219 00:10:35,983 --> 00:10:37,724 TheGlobe.com, 220 00:10:37,767 --> 00:10:41,118 one of the original hit Internet IPOs is now 50 cents a share. 221 00:10:41,728 --> 00:10:43,599 Everyone was so frustrated that the stock kept dropping despite 222 00:10:43,643 --> 00:10:45,122 all of our performance, 223 00:10:45,166 --> 00:10:46,515 that everybody thought there was just something broken, 224 00:10:46,558 --> 00:10:48,343 something's not working, there's a disconnect. 225 00:10:48,386 --> 00:10:50,780 And that frustration translated into everybody saying, 226 00:10:50,824 --> 00:10:53,174 "Well, we need more stock because our stock keeps dropping in value. 227 00:10:53,565 --> 00:10:54,479 We need more stock." 228 00:10:54,523 --> 00:10:56,003 A pressure cooker was building. 229 00:10:56,046 --> 00:10:58,701 I could feel that something was gonna give. 230 00:10:59,006 --> 00:11:01,791 I don't know. I'm out of ideas. 231 00:11:01,835 --> 00:11:03,924 I just might go see the new John Woo movie. 232 00:11:03,967 --> 00:11:05,534 John Woo? Ugh. 233 00:11:05,577 --> 00:11:07,318 Seriously? John Woo is "ugh?" 234 00:11:07,362 --> 00:11:10,626 Bunch of operatic, over-the-top slow-motion diving gun battles. 235 00:11:11,105 --> 00:11:12,410 Dude. He's a master. 236 00:11:12,454 --> 00:11:13,716 A true artist. 237 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:14,891 John Woo is the man. 238 00:11:14,935 --> 00:11:16,240 Meh. 239 00:11:16,284 --> 00:11:18,808 Steph, we are so screwed, buddy. 240 00:11:18,852 --> 00:11:21,158 We are? 241 00:11:21,202 --> 00:11:23,291 I don't see any way we're not. 242 00:11:23,334 --> 00:11:27,034 I mean, y'know Todd, there are things you could do to be less screwed. 243 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,083 Why are you acting so weird? 244 00:11:34,563 --> 00:11:36,434 Oh, crap. 245 00:11:36,478 --> 00:11:38,393 Bro! 246 00:12:12,906 --> 00:12:14,734 Okay. Now we're screwed. 247 00:12:15,430 --> 00:12:17,214 Had a good run, boys. 248 00:12:17,258 --> 00:12:19,564 But it ends here. 249 00:12:19,608 --> 00:12:22,829 You guys ready? Ready. Let's do this. 250 00:12:39,106 --> 00:12:43,110 We sparked off Internet IPO mania and we were also the beginning of the end. 251 00:12:44,154 --> 00:12:45,634 I think if we do something radical that gets some press, 252 00:12:45,677 --> 00:12:46,766 like re-allocate 30% of. 253 00:12:46,809 --> 00:12:47,984 Steph! 254 00:12:48,028 --> 00:12:49,551 What? 255 00:12:49,594 --> 00:12:51,814 Mike Egan cashed in 50 million in globe.com stock. 256 00:12:51,858 --> 00:12:53,381 No. Yes. 257 00:12:53,424 --> 00:12:54,599 He's the chairman of our board. 258 00:12:54,643 --> 00:12:57,777 It's already being widely reported. 259 00:12:59,648 --> 00:13:02,172 He didn't even tell us. 260 00:13:02,216 --> 00:13:04,174 Mike Egan was my Gordon Gecko. 261 00:13:04,218 --> 00:13:07,438 He was the guy who was like going to make the bet on the genius 262 00:13:07,482 --> 00:13:11,138 Bud and Bud's own dad didn't quite believe in him. 263 00:13:11,660 --> 00:13:13,227 You know? 264 00:13:13,270 --> 00:13:15,316 And it's like you finally get to show off to your own dad. 265 00:13:15,359 --> 00:13:18,275 You found somebody who believes in you so mightily and that will put so much 266 00:13:18,319 --> 00:13:19,494 money behind you. 267 00:13:19,537 --> 00:13:21,278 We need to go out to the Valley. 268 00:13:21,322 --> 00:13:22,627 Create a new story, 269 00:13:22,671 --> 00:13:24,412 do some laps, shake some hands, raise some cash. 270 00:13:24,455 --> 00:13:25,761 Let em know that we're not dead yet. 271 00:13:25,805 --> 00:13:28,372 Maybe Bob Halperin will even double down. 272 00:13:28,416 --> 00:13:30,244 Ok. Ok. But Steph. Yeah. 273 00:13:30,287 --> 00:13:33,595 No plastic pants. 274 00:13:33,638 --> 00:13:35,466 . 275 00:13:39,122 --> 00:13:41,864 Look at all these beautiful minds and bodies at work! 276 00:13:42,169 --> 00:13:44,301 You are ALL my children! 277 00:13:44,345 --> 00:13:47,130 I hope we are working at maximum efficiency here. 278 00:13:47,609 --> 00:13:50,133 What's the update on the backend work, Brian? 279 00:13:50,177 --> 00:13:52,657 Ummm, it kinda is what it is. 280 00:13:53,093 --> 00:13:55,443 Ready to ship, I guess. 281 00:13:55,486 --> 00:13:58,794 "Um, uh, err, it is what it is." 282 00:13:58,838 --> 00:14:00,840 Take out the "ums" and "ahs," friend! 283 00:14:00,883 --> 00:14:01,971 "Ready to ship, Michael!" 284 00:14:02,015 --> 00:14:03,190 Ready to ship, Mr. Fenne. 285 00:14:03,233 --> 00:14:04,321 Michael! 286 00:14:04,365 --> 00:14:06,323 Ready to ship, Michael. 287 00:14:06,367 --> 00:14:08,108 It's odd when you're at a circumstance like that because it's kinda 288 00:14:08,151 --> 00:14:10,458 happening to everybody. 289 00:14:10,501 --> 00:14:14,244 And a lot of it was um, just keeping it to yourself. 290 00:14:15,593 --> 00:14:18,683 You would have opinions about what was going on but nobody else seemed to 291 00:14:18,727 --> 00:14:21,599 be saying anything to keep it from happening. 292 00:14:22,426 --> 00:14:24,864 You know, there are all sorts of stories about what happened the 293 00:14:24,907 --> 00:14:27,040 day that Michael was removed from Pixelon, 294 00:14:27,562 --> 00:14:30,130 when he was essentially, you know, fired. 295 00:14:30,173 --> 00:14:32,001 The day he was a tumultuous one. 296 00:14:32,045 --> 00:14:36,397 He's launching into these long uh, tirades on the public-address system. 297 00:14:37,398 --> 00:14:39,922 Good morning, rock stars! 298 00:14:39,966 --> 00:14:41,837 iBash! What a victory. 299 00:14:41,881 --> 00:14:45,232 I'm so thankful to the lord and our divine technology. 300 00:14:45,275 --> 00:14:47,147 We are on a role people, so let's keep it up! 301 00:14:48,061 --> 00:14:51,281 And when we hit that IPO we will be in the land of milk and honey! 302 00:14:51,542 --> 00:14:53,762 It was the dot-com era. 303 00:14:53,805 --> 00:14:56,547 Everybody there thought that they were on the precipice of great wealth. 304 00:14:57,244 --> 00:15:00,900 It's odd what that does to people, that sort of was the overriding thing. 305 00:15:01,770 --> 00:15:03,467 Just deal with it. 306 00:15:03,511 --> 00:15:06,209 Increasingly the officers and the investors were saying, 307 00:15:06,253 --> 00:15:07,776 "Michael's got to go." 308 00:15:07,819 --> 00:15:09,996 This is The Master speaking. 309 00:15:10,039 --> 00:15:12,085 THE MASTER!! 310 00:15:12,128 --> 00:15:15,784 Frank, report to the woodshed, your uncle is gonna give you a whoopin'! 311 00:15:16,785 --> 00:15:18,613 Frank! 312 00:15:19,135 --> 00:15:20,528 Lee Wiskowski here for... 313 00:15:20,571 --> 00:15:23,270 Lee Wiskowski here for Michael Fenne. 314 00:15:24,097 --> 00:15:25,402 I'll check. 315 00:15:25,446 --> 00:15:28,101 Is Mr. Fenne in? There's a Lee Wiskowski. 316 00:15:28,623 --> 00:15:32,496 I know he's here, I can see the door is open. 317 00:15:44,987 --> 00:15:46,554 . 318 00:15:55,432 --> 00:15:57,478 Hello, security, this is Michael Fenne. 319 00:15:57,521 --> 00:15:59,523 Get your asses up here. 320 00:16:01,134 --> 00:16:02,135 Sha! 321 00:16:02,178 --> 00:16:04,050 Shah, sha, sheh, she. 322 00:16:04,441 --> 00:16:06,400 Phew, phew! 323 00:16:09,664 --> 00:16:13,842 Hi. Hi, I'm Michael Fenne. 324 00:16:15,583 --> 00:16:17,454 Hey! Hey, Lee! 325 00:16:17,498 --> 00:16:18,847 What the hell, Paul? 326 00:16:18,890 --> 00:16:19,674 I know, I know. 327 00:16:19,717 --> 00:16:21,328 Things have gotten, weird. 328 00:16:21,371 --> 00:16:22,807 Paul, you're the CEO. 329 00:16:22,851 --> 00:16:24,984 We hired you to keep an eye on iBash and Fenne. 330 00:16:25,027 --> 00:16:26,942 If you can't do that, then why the are you here? 331 00:16:26,986 --> 00:16:28,552 I can't believe this is happening. 332 00:16:28,596 --> 00:16:30,467 And I just gave this nutbucket 28 million. 333 00:16:30,511 --> 00:16:32,382 What's happening? 334 00:16:32,426 --> 00:16:35,429 What's happening Paul is a fatal error. 335 00:16:36,386 --> 00:16:38,345 This is enough. This is enough. 336 00:16:38,388 --> 00:16:40,521 Fenne has to go. 337 00:16:45,134 --> 00:16:49,660 I think in late '95 Andreessen was talking about how he was gonna 338 00:16:50,357 --> 00:16:52,620 put us out of business. 339 00:16:52,663 --> 00:16:54,752 Well, we think that there's a series of activities that Microsoft's been engaged 340 00:16:54,796 --> 00:16:57,842 in which may or may not be legal and we've turned over that information to the 341 00:16:57,886 --> 00:17:00,106 Department of Justice and they'll figure out what to do from here. 342 00:17:00,149 --> 00:17:04,153 The idea of having a government committee basically have a design review over 343 00:17:04,197 --> 00:17:08,375 engineering decisions just made Bill and people like me gag in our mouths. 344 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:14,076 And that is probably why we dug in our heels even though we had all these potential 345 00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:17,558 opportunities just to get off basically with almost no penalties whatsoever. 346 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:21,518 Looking back on that, everybody thinks that was just disastrous thinking, 347 00:17:21,866 --> 00:17:24,043 we got our egos in the way. 348 00:17:24,086 --> 00:17:26,915 I'm not sure what you're talking about, you'd have to show me the context. 349 00:17:27,524 --> 00:17:31,093 But it was born out of this idea about like the pride of engineering and 350 00:17:31,137 --> 00:17:35,706 like Bill's ego really is an engineer's kind of ego about, 351 00:17:36,620 --> 00:17:38,753 don't tell me how to do my goddamn job. 352 00:17:40,102 --> 00:17:42,452 I don't see anything about that in here. 353 00:17:42,496 --> 00:17:44,802 Well, I think that clearly when they go into a competitive situation 354 00:17:44,846 --> 00:17:46,543 they'll use every weapon at their disposal, 355 00:17:46,587 --> 00:17:49,068 um, the only um, the only issue now is that some of 356 00:17:49,111 --> 00:17:51,113 those, some of those weapons may or may not be legal and it's something for the 357 00:17:51,157 --> 00:17:52,810 government to uh, to decide. 358 00:17:52,854 --> 00:17:55,204 If I might, Mr. Chairman, 359 00:17:55,248 --> 00:17:59,426 I would like a show of hands, how many of you use Intel-based PCs? 360 00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:06,650 And of that group, who use PCs, how many of you use a PC without 361 00:18:07,390 --> 00:18:09,175 Microsoft's operating system? 362 00:18:17,835 --> 00:18:21,012 Gentlemen, that's a monopoly. 363 00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:25,321 Some people agree with that, some people wouldn't. 364 00:18:25,365 --> 00:18:29,499 Judge Jackson had this case before him more than 2 years. 365 00:18:30,413 --> 00:18:34,765 A bunch of the "Legal Team" felt like this really deeply principled 366 00:18:34,809 --> 00:18:37,681 uh thing about getting the government out of our industry. 367 00:18:38,682 --> 00:18:41,337 Did you actually read what was in there? 368 00:18:41,381 --> 00:18:45,341 He found that Microsoft had repeatedly abused its monopoly power. 369 00:18:46,212 --> 00:18:48,605 And why Bill stayed with the suit you know come hell or high water. 370 00:18:48,649 --> 00:18:54,002 It was really born out of this set of emotions around, hey, like we built this industry 371 00:18:54,437 --> 00:18:56,309 out of nothing. 372 00:18:56,352 --> 00:19:00,139 And violated law by crushing emerging threats to Windows dominance. 373 00:19:00,748 --> 00:19:03,359 To have lawyers come in out of the hills and tell us you know we made 374 00:19:03,403 --> 00:19:06,667 the wrong engineering decisions or the wrong design decisions was 375 00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:08,973 just like please just stay out of our industry. 376 00:19:09,017 --> 00:19:11,628 Just stay out of it, you're not going to add any value. 377 00:19:11,672 --> 00:19:16,938 You're just going to make a mess of it, um, and argue you know they did. 378 00:19:21,595 --> 00:19:22,900 . 379 00:19:22,944 --> 00:19:24,206 Michael? Hey Paul. 380 00:19:24,250 --> 00:19:25,990 We need to talk. Right now. 381 00:19:26,034 --> 00:19:28,819 Look Michael, you've been handing out stock options like candy, 382 00:19:29,907 --> 00:19:33,824 you just blew north of 12 million on a party to announce our tech where our tech failed, 383 00:19:35,043 --> 00:19:37,524 and now quite frankly, you're acting a little strange. 384 00:19:37,567 --> 00:19:40,527 We need some answers as to what the hell is going on here. 385 00:19:44,531 --> 00:19:49,536 Gentlemen, I think it would be in all our best interest if you addressed me 386 00:19:49,579 --> 00:19:52,452 with a modicum of respect. 387 00:19:52,495 --> 00:19:57,631 I am after all the chairman of this enterprise and I am guaranteed that position for 388 00:19:57,674 --> 00:19:59,676 the next seven years no matter what. 389 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,112 No, Michael. 390 00:20:01,156 --> 00:20:03,376 No. We're past all that. 391 00:20:03,419 --> 00:20:07,902 I'm ready to gather some complaints for a class action lawsuit unless you can provide 392 00:20:07,945 --> 00:20:10,034 an immediate course correction here. 393 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,348 Did you just threaten me? 394 00:20:19,392 --> 00:20:23,178 After I took your less-than-perfect money and allowed you to be my 395 00:20:23,222 --> 00:20:25,311 date to the prom? 396 00:20:25,354 --> 00:20:30,054 The one among all the other suitors, to take this company to the stratosphere, 397 00:20:31,273 --> 00:20:34,145 where it is definitely heading, God willing and the lake don't rise, 398 00:20:34,407 --> 00:20:36,278 as soon as we set that IPO. 399 00:20:36,322 --> 00:20:42,284 I have sweated blood and risked everything for you. 400 00:20:43,329 --> 00:20:44,504 And you. 401 00:20:44,547 --> 00:20:45,809 Michael. Get out. 402 00:20:45,853 --> 00:20:47,202 I still haven't heard. 403 00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:49,596 GET OUT!! 404 00:20:55,254 --> 00:20:56,646 We need him out. 405 00:20:56,690 --> 00:20:57,734 We don't have enough board members. 406 00:20:57,778 --> 00:20:59,083 Find them. Gather them. 407 00:20:59,127 --> 00:21:00,302 Muster their asses. 408 00:21:00,346 --> 00:21:01,521 I don't care how hard it is, do it now. 409 00:21:01,564 --> 00:21:03,044 We need him out. 410 00:21:03,087 --> 00:21:04,437 Okay, Steve Curtis and Joel Shepard are local. 411 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:05,525 Get 'em down here. 412 00:21:05,568 --> 00:21:06,961 Mike Kelly is in Palo Alto. 413 00:21:07,004 --> 00:21:09,572 We need to do this today. 414 00:21:11,792 --> 00:21:14,011 What the hell? 415 00:21:15,274 --> 00:21:16,536 C'mon, let's get outta here. 416 00:21:16,579 --> 00:21:18,625 Yeah. 417 00:21:20,888 --> 00:21:23,369 Remember Buck's of Woodside? 418 00:21:23,412 --> 00:21:26,850 The place where venture capitalists and tech superstars shimmy on up the 419 00:21:26,894 --> 00:21:29,723 great Silicon Valley River to spawn? 420 00:21:29,766 --> 00:21:31,942 Welcome back. 421 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,119 We need to listen to every angle on how to make TheGlobe viable again. 422 00:21:35,859 --> 00:21:37,165 We're circling the drain. 423 00:21:37,208 --> 00:21:39,602 We worked really hard on our agenda this year. 424 00:21:39,646 --> 00:21:41,996 Why can't we just execute, and not cut and run? 425 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:46,653 If that's some veiled reference to my sell-off, I've already explained that I 426 00:21:46,696 --> 00:21:48,785 needed capital to stay involved here. 427 00:21:50,613 --> 00:21:53,834 I just think bringing in the guys to pitch a whole new strategy feels desperate. 428 00:21:55,444 --> 00:21:56,837 Sorry, Jim. Hey. 429 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,186 I don't have a lot of time. 430 00:21:58,229 --> 00:21:59,405 I have a 1:15. 431 00:21:59,448 --> 00:22:00,754 How's AOL treating you? 432 00:22:00,797 --> 00:22:02,321 I got a ton of work to get back to. 433 00:22:02,364 --> 00:22:03,844 Sure. You're a busy man. 434 00:22:03,887 --> 00:22:05,585 Here you go, gentlemen. 435 00:22:05,628 --> 00:22:07,195 Thank you. 436 00:22:07,238 --> 00:22:09,937 That's right, this man ordered a glass of milk. 437 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,940 What a, I, man, what's up? 438 00:22:13,288 --> 00:22:14,768 You can see me. 439 00:22:14,811 --> 00:22:17,423 You know, I don't really exist, right? 440 00:22:17,466 --> 00:22:19,120 I understand. 441 00:22:19,163 --> 00:22:20,861 My man. 442 00:22:21,514 --> 00:22:23,167 Deja vu all over again. 443 00:22:23,211 --> 00:22:24,299 We can do this. 444 00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:25,561 We can definitely do this. 445 00:22:25,605 --> 00:22:27,302 Right? 446 00:22:28,825 --> 00:22:31,088 Gentlemen, welcome to Buck's. 447 00:22:32,089 --> 00:22:34,396 So, how do you two propose we turn our company around? 448 00:22:37,443 --> 00:22:40,141 We're really excited about a way to completely reimagine TheGlobe. 449 00:22:40,184 --> 00:22:42,665 Yeah, it begins with an entirely new staff. 450 00:22:59,290 --> 00:23:01,554 Well, well, well, Will and Brian. 451 00:23:01,597 --> 00:23:04,818 Can't say I'm surprised because you're a couple of , and . 452 00:23:04,861 --> 00:23:06,254 Mike, Ed. 453 00:23:06,297 --> 00:23:07,603 Thank you. 454 00:23:07,647 --> 00:23:09,779 Go yourselves. 455 00:23:09,823 --> 00:23:12,956 There were a couple of employees that were bright guys in their own right that 456 00:23:14,218 --> 00:23:16,917 were trying to do the right thing for the company. 457 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,136 It's just business, fellas. 458 00:23:19,180 --> 00:23:22,357 They just sort of aligned against Todd and Steph. 459 00:23:22,923 --> 00:23:24,664 It felt like a betrayal to Todd and I. 460 00:23:24,707 --> 00:23:26,970 The fact that Mike Egan took the meeting felt like a betrayal. 461 00:23:27,014 --> 00:23:29,451 Implying that we weren't doing a good enough job. 462 00:23:29,495 --> 00:23:34,238 They were very unhappy um, with the fact that that meeting occurred. 463 00:23:35,457 --> 00:23:37,981 They think that we could've handled it differently. 464 00:23:38,025 --> 00:23:40,419 Um, yeah, you know, maybe they're right. 465 00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:43,030 This is huge. 466 00:23:43,073 --> 00:23:45,162 "Calling the world's largest software maker untrustworthy, 467 00:23:45,206 --> 00:23:50,385 U.S. District Judge Jackson ordered Microsoft to be broken into two smaller companies 468 00:23:50,429 --> 00:23:54,737 to prevent it from violating state and federal antitrust laws in the future." 469 00:23:55,477 --> 00:23:57,697 This is unprecedented. 470 00:23:57,740 --> 00:24:02,005 "Microsoft was unwilling to admit that it had violated federal antitrust law and has 471 00:24:02,049 --> 00:24:06,009 shown no willingness to modify its business conduct." 472 00:24:07,446 --> 00:24:08,621 Sounds about right. 473 00:24:08,664 --> 00:24:10,144 Whew. 474 00:24:10,187 --> 00:24:11,928 But Jim, it doesn't really matter. 475 00:24:11,972 --> 00:24:14,235 The war is over and we lost. 476 00:24:14,278 --> 00:24:17,238 Well, at least it'll level the playing field for future companies. 477 00:24:18,413 --> 00:24:21,938 You remember what it was like to be a 22-year-old wunderkind with a dream? 478 00:24:22,765 --> 00:24:26,465 Like those fellas that just left? 479 00:24:27,074 --> 00:24:28,989 Oh, come on, Marc, this is a win. 480 00:24:29,032 --> 00:24:31,557 We've been fighting these sonsabitches forever. 481 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:32,906 And we got em. 482 00:24:32,949 --> 00:24:35,256 And it's the right call. 483 00:24:35,299 --> 00:24:39,086 The right thing finally prevailed for one damn time in big business. 484 00:24:40,479 --> 00:24:41,958 That doesn't make you happy? 485 00:24:42,002 --> 00:24:44,787 Nothing? Anything? 486 00:24:46,354 --> 00:24:48,835 Well, we'll see if it sticks. 487 00:24:48,878 --> 00:24:52,534 Really, Jim, I do really need to go. 488 00:24:52,578 --> 00:24:55,058 There's just so much work to do. 489 00:24:55,842 --> 00:24:59,236 Yeah, yeah, I hear that from anybody except Jim Clark. 490 00:25:00,194 --> 00:25:02,239 I'm pretty sure the other Jim is riding around on his self-driving 491 00:25:02,283 --> 00:25:03,414 yacht right now. 492 00:25:03,458 --> 00:25:04,764 Maybe you need a couple of those. 493 00:25:04,807 --> 00:25:06,766 Yeah, I don't think so. 494 00:25:06,809 --> 00:25:09,072 Maybe I need a couple of those. 495 00:25:09,116 --> 00:25:12,989 Jim, what you did, fighting Microsoft, that was. 496 00:25:16,210 --> 00:25:17,777 Thank you. 497 00:25:17,820 --> 00:25:20,606 I appreciate that. 498 00:25:21,171 --> 00:25:22,956 You take care of yourself. 499 00:25:22,999 --> 00:25:25,436 Yeah. I am. 500 00:25:28,614 --> 00:25:31,094 Don't get me wrong. I think they're a great company. 501 00:25:31,138 --> 00:25:34,576 But I think there's a paradigm shift happening here, or a platform shift where um, 502 00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:37,579 by and large things are now happening you know, with or without Microsoft, they're, 503 00:25:37,623 --> 00:25:39,538 they're no longer the center of the universe. 504 00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:43,585 It made the industry more competitive as you rolled into 505 00:25:43,629 --> 00:25:45,326 the 2000 decade. 506 00:25:45,369 --> 00:25:49,025 It probably created products like Google and uh Facebook. 507 00:25:49,939 --> 00:25:52,986 They may not have existed had that ruling not have been passed down and 508 00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:55,336 phased in and implemented. 509 00:25:57,686 --> 00:26:01,211 It's just such a stupid thing to fall for; some kind of father figure-mentor 510 00:26:01,255 --> 00:26:03,736 comes along and I turn into an 8-year-old kid. 511 00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:06,652 Egan was the guy who made it all happen for us; 512 00:26:06,695 --> 00:26:08,610 gave us the keys to the kingdom. 513 00:26:08,654 --> 00:26:11,700 Just really hurts that he'd go all the way to a full douchebag betrayal. 514 00:26:12,222 --> 00:26:14,224 You think of any possible way to fix this? 515 00:26:14,268 --> 00:26:16,662 I mean, we could force Will and Brian out because of our position, 516 00:26:16,705 --> 00:26:19,447 but if Egan wants them in he could just call a vote. 517 00:26:19,752 --> 00:26:22,319 Hey. What? 518 00:26:22,363 --> 00:26:24,278 When's the last time we talked about, like, 519 00:26:24,321 --> 00:26:26,585 the reason we started this company? 520 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,373 Like our "mission statement?" 521 00:26:32,416 --> 00:26:35,898 Oh, God. 522 00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:43,427 A really, really, really long time. 523 00:26:43,906 --> 00:26:44,951 "Change the world." 524 00:26:44,994 --> 00:26:46,213 "Democratize information." 525 00:26:46,256 --> 00:26:48,345 "Help like-minded people find each other." 526 00:26:48,389 --> 00:26:52,523 All that. A year, two, more? 527 00:26:53,307 --> 00:26:58,312 A million years ago. Yeah. 528 00:27:14,110 --> 00:27:15,721 I'm out. 529 00:27:15,764 --> 00:27:18,854 I'm out. We're out. 530 00:27:18,898 --> 00:27:20,639 It's time, buddy. 531 00:27:20,682 --> 00:27:22,945 . 532 00:27:23,772 --> 00:27:26,557 Todd and I decided that moment, we're out, we're done, we're resigning. 533 00:27:26,601 --> 00:27:29,952 At the time that we step down, we thought we should step down. 534 00:27:31,214 --> 00:27:33,913 One, the stock performance was not particularly good. 535 00:27:33,956 --> 00:27:37,481 The job had become much less fun. 536 00:27:38,047 --> 00:27:42,356 We did not think we had a strategy that would take us through this 537 00:27:43,792 --> 00:27:45,576 time of difficulty. 538 00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:49,798 And so I remember feeling the decision to step away was entirely good. 539 00:27:50,712 --> 00:27:53,236 I thought it was appropriate and I thought it was good. 540 00:27:54,498 --> 00:27:56,979 I'm telling you guys, Paul was there, Fenne was talking about 541 00:27:57,023 --> 00:27:59,112 God and spankings. 542 00:27:59,155 --> 00:28:01,767 More importantly, he blew 12 million of the company's money on a 543 00:28:01,810 --> 00:28:03,464 failed beta test. 544 00:28:03,507 --> 00:28:05,640 I've been looking at the books, which are a mess, 545 00:28:05,684 --> 00:28:07,773 and it looks much more like 20 million to me. 546 00:28:07,816 --> 00:28:10,297 Look, it's very possible we might need some police backup here. 547 00:28:10,340 --> 00:28:12,212 Ok, this guy's a freakin' nutbucket. 548 00:28:12,255 --> 00:28:14,518 What we need is one more board member so we can vote this guy out, 549 00:28:14,562 --> 00:28:16,607 if that's the consensus. 550 00:28:16,651 --> 00:28:19,175 They needed one more member to show up and he's out on a horseback ride. 551 00:28:30,012 --> 00:28:31,666 Gentlemen. 552 00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:38,934 So Michael, you understand our position. 553 00:28:38,978 --> 00:28:41,154 We think we understand yours. 554 00:28:42,024 --> 00:28:43,896 Your chairmanship is in a very precarious position. 555 00:28:43,939 --> 00:28:47,726 I've reached an interesting agreement with a certain gentleman 556 00:28:47,769 --> 00:28:52,034 from the board, but we'll leave that action for last in our meeting. 557 00:28:57,518 --> 00:29:00,477 . 558 00:29:10,836 --> 00:29:13,490 Michael. 559 00:29:17,843 --> 00:29:21,194 We're asking you to step down as CTO and Chairman and remove yourself from the 560 00:29:21,237 --> 00:29:24,371 premises immediately, following a binding vote by the members present. 561 00:29:29,811 --> 00:29:32,858 . 562 00:29:48,874 --> 00:29:53,008 You are all going to burn in hell for what you're trying to do to me. 563 00:29:54,009 --> 00:29:56,229 All in favor of removal, aye. 564 00:29:56,925 --> 00:30:00,581 -Aye, aye, aye. 565 00:30:00,842 --> 00:30:05,629 Paul. Aye. 566 00:30:11,244 --> 00:30:14,116 Now I know who my Judas is. 567 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,165 The gathering of the board resolves when they finally muster the votes that 568 00:30:19,208 --> 00:30:23,038 they need to actually eject Michael Fenne from Pixelon. 569 00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:26,650 Finally, reality catches up with him. 570 00:30:28,348 --> 00:30:34,397 One possible explanation for the severance package is that they still hoped to market 571 00:30:35,834 --> 00:30:40,447 this technology to somebody and the last thing they wanted was a disgruntled 572 00:30:41,317 --> 00:30:45,147 founder who's going and trying to torpedo potential deals, I mean, 573 00:30:45,191 --> 00:30:47,280 that's certainly one explanation. 574 00:30:47,323 --> 00:30:51,153 Another is that they knew of his past and knew of his false identity, 575 00:30:52,111 --> 00:30:54,417 and wanted to keep that quiet. 576 00:30:54,461 --> 00:31:00,032 It seems clear that you would only pay a severance package to somebody who's behaved like 577 00:31:00,815 --> 00:31:05,689 this, if you want to keep something quiet, that you want to make something really 578 00:31:06,299 --> 00:31:09,389 unpleasant go away. 579 00:31:09,432 --> 00:31:13,959 Crucified at the altar of greed and mediocrity. 580 00:31:16,787 --> 00:31:19,268 Another takedown by the Hit Squad. 581 00:31:24,404 --> 00:31:30,062 How do we know when irrational exuberance has unduly escalated asset values? 582 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,587 Investors believe they could get rich quick by 583 00:31:33,630 --> 00:31:35,763 buying Internet stock. 584 00:31:35,806 --> 00:31:38,853 Companies are going public at prices far lower than they would have a year ago. 585 00:31:39,245 --> 00:31:40,855 Cyberspace investments have proved to be risky. 586 00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:43,814 IPOs in the technology field have been hit really hard. 587 00:31:43,858 --> 00:31:47,253 Many of those new issues have failed to live up to expectations. 588 00:31:47,296 --> 00:31:49,255 So how did it happen? 589 00:31:49,298 --> 00:31:52,606 Why did so many investors put so much money behind so many companies that 590 00:31:52,649 --> 00:31:54,956 had never made a dime? 591 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,654 In hindsight, it all appears so obvious. 592 00:31:57,698 --> 00:32:01,136 The Internet mania was a giant bubble, destined to burst. 593 00:32:03,051 --> 00:32:04,574 . 594 00:32:06,707 --> 00:32:08,491 So, that happened. 595 00:32:08,535 --> 00:32:10,537 The bubble was burst; the Internet stock market was dead. 596 00:32:11,407 --> 00:32:12,800 Why did the bubble burst? 597 00:32:12,843 --> 00:32:16,238 Not enough was real, and um, eventually, you know, 598 00:32:16,282 --> 00:32:17,892 investors started pulling the plug. 599 00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:20,155 The world had turned on the Internet, right? 600 00:32:20,199 --> 00:32:22,592 It was panic. 601 00:32:22,636 --> 00:32:25,508 People had over-extended themselves, they had never lived in a world 602 00:32:25,552 --> 00:32:27,249 where things stop. 603 00:32:27,293 --> 00:32:29,208 And suddenly they did. 604 00:32:29,251 --> 00:32:32,820 Everybody had borrowed on margin and bought stocks and the minute 605 00:32:32,863 --> 00:32:36,911 those stock prices fell enough and they got called in on their margins, 606 00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:39,653 they had to sell, sell at any price. 607 00:32:39,696 --> 00:32:41,916 I was certainly impacted by the bubble burst. 608 00:32:43,135 --> 00:32:45,615 And it caused a lot of people a lot of pain and suffering. 609 00:32:45,659 --> 00:32:48,140 Not many people walked away billionaires. 610 00:32:48,183 --> 00:32:52,405 And I would, I would venture to even say something I've never said before which is, 611 00:32:53,145 --> 00:32:57,062 I don't think the right people walked away necessarily, as billionaires. 612 00:32:57,932 --> 00:33:01,240 I'm not sure it was equitable. 613 00:33:01,762 --> 00:33:04,547 And I think that's what bothers me to this day. 614 00:33:04,591 --> 00:33:08,508 That many of those people who I think put in their heart and soul, 615 00:33:08,551 --> 00:33:12,512 probably didn't get quite enough really, when all was said and done. 616 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,169 And um, that's, that's too bad. 617 00:33:20,955 --> 00:33:25,438 The pink slip parties came about after people started getting laid off, 618 00:33:26,221 --> 00:33:30,704 the same way the Internet took off and the tech jobs like exploded, 619 00:33:31,487 --> 00:33:36,188 when the dot-com bust started to happen, people were getting laid off every day 620 00:33:36,231 --> 00:33:38,581 you would hear a friend saying they got laid off. 621 00:33:38,625 --> 00:33:40,583 It was just like a wave of layoffs. 622 00:33:40,627 --> 00:33:43,586 When the bubble collapsed suddenly people were losing their jobs, 623 00:33:43,630 --> 00:33:47,851 so I came up with the idea of hosting these Pink Slip parties, 624 00:33:47,895 --> 00:33:51,116 where employers could network and connect with potential employees. 625 00:33:53,118 --> 00:33:55,859 Candlelight is not for romance, but for resumes. 626 00:33:55,903 --> 00:33:59,167 This Pink Slip happy hour links ex-dot-comers with recruiters. 627 00:34:00,299 --> 00:34:03,345 We'll be doing them every month until they're not needed anymore. 628 00:34:03,389 --> 00:34:05,391 It was stressful. 629 00:34:05,434 --> 00:34:06,783 Everyone was losing their jobs all around me and I didn't really know what 630 00:34:06,827 --> 00:34:07,915 was going to happen. 631 00:34:07,958 --> 00:34:09,438 Even my day job laid off everybody. 632 00:34:09,482 --> 00:34:11,179 They went out of business. 633 00:34:11,223 --> 00:34:13,355 Luckily, I had just started making money off the Pink Slip parties. 634 00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:17,751 But I didn't feel like that was going to be long-lived because everyone was fleeing 635 00:34:17,794 --> 00:34:21,146 by the thousands. 636 00:34:22,756 --> 00:34:24,584 We are going to drink. 637 00:34:24,627 --> 00:34:26,586 Dance a little. Network a lot. 638 00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:31,025 And by the end of the night, we will have new jobs or at the very least, 639 00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:34,376 not remember losing our old ones. 640 00:34:42,036 --> 00:34:44,821 The Pink Slip parties lasted about a year and a half and then I had 641 00:34:44,865 --> 00:34:46,388 to close the site. 642 00:34:46,432 --> 00:34:48,608 Honestly, it was kind of a relief. 643 00:35:01,925 --> 00:35:04,145 I'd like to report a sighting of a fugitive. 644 00:35:04,189 --> 00:35:09,368 Somehow Michael Fenne gets wind gets wind that his secret identity 645 00:35:10,108 --> 00:35:12,327 has been blown. 646 00:35:12,371 --> 00:35:17,202 I'm a child of God who made a mistake and who has suffered miserably for that. 647 00:35:55,936 --> 00:36:00,549 I was mystified when I learned that Michael Fenne was an elaborate cover for a 648 00:36:00,593 --> 00:36:03,987 fugitive from the law, David Kim Stanley. 649 00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:07,252 I didn't understand how that could've happened. 650 00:36:07,295 --> 00:36:09,254 I didn't understand how I could've missed it. 651 00:36:09,297 --> 00:36:12,779 I didn't understand how multiple investors could have missed it. 652 00:36:14,084 --> 00:36:16,348 I didn't understand how the world could've missed this. 653 00:36:46,943 --> 00:36:50,643 This was a company that had spent, upwards of 8 to 12 million dollars 654 00:36:50,686 --> 00:36:54,864 on a launch party, and was extensively chronicled in the news. 655 00:36:55,082 --> 00:36:56,257 How could this happen? 656 00:36:56,301 --> 00:36:57,998 I still don't really know. 657 00:36:58,041 --> 00:37:01,001 We found out that, you know, he wasn't who he said he was. 658 00:37:02,045 --> 00:37:04,831 We found out that he was you wanted on, you know, charges from another state. 659 00:37:05,527 --> 00:37:08,138 The word was he was, you know, a fugitive from the law. 660 00:37:08,182 --> 00:37:09,749 That just blew my mind. 661 00:37:09,792 --> 00:37:12,273 Virginia's 10 Most Wanted List. 662 00:37:12,317 --> 00:37:14,144 David Kim Stanley. 663 00:37:14,188 --> 00:37:16,451 I, I was flabbergasted. 664 00:37:16,495 --> 00:37:18,105 I couldn't believe it. 665 00:37:44,784 --> 00:37:49,005 Hi. This is David Kim Stanley. 666 00:37:49,049 --> 00:37:54,576 I'm at Big Bear discount gas, I'll be on a bench by a large bear. 667 00:37:58,406 --> 00:38:00,016 . 668 00:38:00,060 --> 00:38:02,628 . 669 00:38:04,325 --> 00:38:07,807 . 670 00:38:15,380 --> 00:38:17,643 . 671 00:38:20,907 --> 00:38:22,648 Copy, be advised, 672 00:38:22,691 --> 00:38:25,955 David Kim Stanley is in custody, we're transporting now. 673 00:38:35,791 --> 00:38:38,141 First comes the boom, then the shake out. 674 00:38:38,185 --> 00:38:41,536 Streaming video sight, Pixelon.com is mired in lawsuits seeking the breakup 675 00:38:41,580 --> 00:38:43,364 of the company. 676 00:38:43,408 --> 00:38:47,455 When he talked about his technology, he had a glimmer in his eye. 677 00:38:48,543 --> 00:38:51,590 There was almost a halo emanating from his head. 678 00:38:51,633 --> 00:38:55,594 He either really did believe it himself, or he was a very, very convincing actor. 679 00:38:56,769 --> 00:39:00,860 It didn't matter if it was 1895, 1995, or 2018. 680 00:39:01,991 --> 00:39:05,081 Scams all follow the same basic playbook. 681 00:39:05,125 --> 00:39:08,346 Everybody's getting rich, you're being left out. 682 00:39:09,608 --> 00:39:14,264 It was getting bigger and crazier than I imagined it ever could. 683 00:39:14,308 --> 00:39:16,049 And yet you continued. 684 00:39:16,092 --> 00:39:19,226 Because it burned inside of me. 685 00:39:20,096 --> 00:39:23,796 Would you have kept running forever? 686 00:39:25,537 --> 00:39:29,758 I always planned to come back and you can't argue with that because I did. 687 00:39:32,805 --> 00:39:35,547 And what would you like the world to know about you? 688 00:39:42,336 --> 00:39:48,037 I'm a child of God who made a mistake and has suffered terribly for it. 689 00:40:00,136 --> 00:40:02,878 It was more important than you can imagine right now, 690 00:40:02,922 --> 00:40:06,360 when the concept of the browser and the Web and the Internet 691 00:40:06,404 --> 00:40:08,536 have become conflated. 692 00:40:08,580 --> 00:40:14,673 But, when, um, the browser, mm, was created, it changed the whole experience 693 00:40:15,935 --> 00:40:17,763 of being online. 694 00:40:17,806 --> 00:40:22,724 So it's interesting that the first browser was called Navigator um, 695 00:40:23,986 --> 00:40:27,468 it made it possible to really explore. 696 00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:34,170 The fact that anyone in the world can connect to you from anywhere in the world, 697 00:40:35,911 --> 00:40:42,004 anytime of day, any day, at high speed in an instant, is unbelievable. 698 00:40:44,311 --> 00:40:48,446 It was a great ride and we changed the world, we kicked off the commercial 699 00:40:48,489 --> 00:40:52,406 Internet, make no mistake about that and I don't think it would've happened in the 700 00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:55,453 same time frame without us. 701 00:40:56,018 --> 00:41:01,328 It really unleased the power of an inter-connected world. 702 00:41:02,851 --> 00:41:07,116 What we did was very, very important and I'm glad and I think almost 703 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,946 everybody associated with it takes a great deal of pride in being part of 704 00:41:10,990 --> 00:41:13,775 something that big and worthwhile. 705 00:41:13,819 --> 00:41:16,517 You know, we weren't just picking our toes in Poughkeepsie. 706 00:41:18,301 --> 00:41:22,262 We were at the time in Silicon Valley uh, the revolutionaries. 707 00:41:23,437 --> 00:41:26,658 We were the ones that would take down the big companies, Microsoft being one of them. 708 00:41:27,702 --> 00:41:33,099 And we had a suction drawing of brilliant people that said, I wanna be in the resistance, 709 00:41:33,142 --> 00:41:35,362 I wanna fight that. 710 00:41:35,405 --> 00:41:38,974 There was definitely a Phoenix-like element to the dream of, of a free browser. 711 00:41:40,106 --> 00:41:43,675 Firefox, which is sort of the evolution of everything that we were doing back in the '90s 712 00:41:43,718 --> 00:41:47,592 with Netscape, has succeeded where, where we maybe as a corporation failed, 713 00:41:48,157 --> 00:41:50,638 the ideal succeeded and I love that. 714 00:41:50,682 --> 00:41:52,553 I was just a build engineer. 715 00:41:52,597 --> 00:41:55,817 But I was part of something that was special and I still think, 716 00:41:55,861 --> 00:41:58,559 I think a lot of us still think it was truly special. 717 00:41:58,603 --> 00:42:02,607 It was an incredible time, it's the most joyous time of my work life. 718 00:42:04,565 --> 00:42:06,045 . 719 00:42:06,088 --> 00:42:09,614 What we really were, when people dug creating things, 720 00:42:09,657 --> 00:42:13,966 and it was very artistic, totally artistic, and so we, we were able to collectively 721 00:42:14,009 --> 00:42:16,446 make our art. 722 00:42:16,490 --> 00:42:21,234 And get it to the people via the Internet and in giving them this product, 723 00:42:21,843 --> 00:42:24,542 we were giving them the Internet too. 724 00:42:26,108 --> 00:42:28,633 Perfect. Perfect. 725 00:42:29,590 --> 00:42:32,201 The story of the beginning of the dot-com era is often told 726 00:42:32,245 --> 00:42:34,029 with these tales of 727 00:42:34,073 --> 00:42:38,251 absolute madness, sort of, both extravagance, which we did not have, 728 00:42:38,947 --> 00:42:41,950 as well as ethical lapses. 729 00:42:42,603 --> 00:42:47,608 Think about all of the hand ringing and, and lawsuits at the end of this period. 730 00:42:48,914 --> 00:42:51,177 We did not have any of that. 731 00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:52,961 It was, it was positive. 732 00:42:53,005 --> 00:42:57,139 We're positive people, but I'd be lying if I didn't say uh, 733 00:42:58,445 --> 00:43:00,665 it wasn't a disappointment. 734 00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:04,930 Netscape represented the beginning of "The New Era" of technology and a browser. 735 00:43:06,018 --> 00:43:10,588 TheGlobe simply represented a concept of "The Internet" and virtual community 736 00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:12,067 and living online. 737 00:43:12,111 --> 00:43:14,069 So that's what created these incredible surges. 738 00:43:14,113 --> 00:43:17,420 Nobody was buying into the specifics of TheGlobe. 739 00:43:17,464 --> 00:43:21,033 To both their tributes, Todd and Steph and Michael, they both saw it. 740 00:43:21,424 --> 00:43:23,644 They knew it. 741 00:43:23,688 --> 00:43:27,387 And yeah, TheGlobe, you know, has been regarded as a precursor to Facebook. 742 00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:33,219 It was just a moment in time where the entire sector was a bit early. 743 00:43:34,350 --> 00:43:38,311 When Facebook started in 2004'ish, it was ten years after TheGlobe, 744 00:43:39,747 --> 00:43:43,316 computers cost one one-hundredth, bandwidth was one one-thousandth. 745 00:43:43,925 --> 00:43:46,101 So I have no regrets there. 746 00:43:46,145 --> 00:43:47,973 I don't think we could have pulled off Facebook but we came as close to pulling off 747 00:43:48,016 --> 00:43:51,541 Facebook as one could have in the, the first dot-com era. 748 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,241 You know it's like, what we unleashed was sort of the, the joking thing. 749 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:58,070 And we have unleashed something completely uncontrollable, 750 00:43:58,113 --> 00:44:01,421 but that's what I love about the Internet now is that at the moment it is 751 00:44:01,464 --> 00:44:04,337 uncontrollable and we actually need to make sure it stays that way. 752 00:44:04,380 --> 00:44:06,600 All of us benefit from technology and are afraid of it. 753 00:44:06,644 --> 00:44:10,691 All of us look at our kids and see how quickly they adopt to new technology and 754 00:44:10,735 --> 00:44:12,127 wonder how they do it. 755 00:44:12,171 --> 00:44:14,216 And you know what? 756 00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:16,741 They're gonna feel the same way about their kids who are gonna feel the same 757 00:44:16,784 --> 00:44:18,525 way about their kids. 758 00:44:18,568 --> 00:44:22,268 This town is always gonna have another shot, another leg, 759 00:44:22,703 --> 00:44:24,749 we just don't know what it is, 760 00:44:24,792 --> 00:44:26,925 we don't know when this leg's gonna end and we don't know when the next one's 761 00:44:26,968 --> 00:44:28,796 gonna start or what's gonna start it. 762 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,712 But that's what Silicon Valley has proven to be. 763 00:44:31,756 --> 00:44:34,280 I am so glad I was there for the Internet revolution. 764 00:44:34,323 --> 00:44:36,717 I'm happy to be around for the, for the cryptocurrency and 765 00:44:36,761 --> 00:44:38,676 crypto revolution in general. 766 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,505 The world keeps changing, and being able to tap into this 767 00:44:42,549 --> 00:44:47,293 zeitgeist is going to be key to the long term success of the product. 768 00:45:09,707 --> 00:45:13,406 I will be in this and many other places of splendor. 769 00:45:15,756 --> 00:45:18,367 I will be singing and playing, 770 00:45:18,411 --> 00:45:21,762 and taking a true love with me to all the places you will only be able 771 00:45:21,806 --> 00:45:24,460 to think about in your head. 772 00:45:24,504 --> 00:45:27,115 I will live them. 773 00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:32,860 And the saddest part for you is that I am maybe one of the few people alive that can 774 00:45:32,904 --> 00:45:35,776 actually accomplish this. 775 00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:41,390 Recover completely from the fatal wound that you gave and rise like a Phoenix 776 00:45:41,434 --> 00:45:45,873 from the ashes of fiery death to be reborn so much better than before. 777 00:45:48,267 --> 00:45:53,272 And you know if I have anything, I have that kind of gift from God. 778 00:45:55,361 --> 00:45:57,406 But now. 779 00:45:58,668 --> 00:46:02,107 Onto the good stuff of my new life. 780 00:47:52,173 --> 00:47:53,218 Captioned by Cotter Captioning Services. 63964

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