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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,958 --> 00:00:03,786 We're taking the Microsoft meeting. 2 00:00:03,829 --> 00:00:05,135 Gates will try to close us on some kind of strategic partnership. 3 00:00:05,614 --> 00:00:07,703 Or eliminate us entirely. 4 00:00:07,746 --> 00:00:11,620 I just want to be clear that Microsoft owns the Internet. 5 00:00:12,055 --> 00:00:13,752 Either partner or compete. 6 00:00:13,796 --> 00:00:17,278 That's when Microsoft declared their efforts against us. 7 00:00:17,321 --> 00:00:20,150 Wall Street has finally got a new favorite child in this bland little 8 00:00:20,194 --> 00:00:22,065 strip mall called Silicon Valley. 9 00:00:22,109 --> 00:00:24,111 I feel like we go broke every two weeks. 10 00:00:24,154 --> 00:00:26,939 All we need is somebody who's willing to roll the dice with us. 11 00:00:27,201 --> 00:00:28,941 I'm in. 12 00:00:28,985 --> 00:00:31,248 We were now on this mission to go into a bigger pond, 13 00:00:31,292 --> 00:00:32,684 relocate to New York City. 14 00:00:32,728 --> 00:00:34,295 -We're up! 15 00:00:34,338 --> 00:00:36,514 The whole team could not have been more excited. 16 00:00:36,558 --> 00:00:38,081 Michael Fenne? Huh? 17 00:00:38,125 --> 00:00:39,996 Can I show you this? 18 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:41,606 I took a bunch of existing technology and Frankensteined it together. 19 00:00:42,042 --> 00:00:44,914 We are going to be very, very wealthy men. 20 00:00:44,957 --> 00:00:46,220 -Yea! 21 00:00:46,263 --> 00:00:47,308 You're folding the company? 22 00:00:47,351 --> 00:00:48,961 Please tell me you got the patents? 23 00:00:49,005 --> 00:00:51,225 What? You think I had the time to get the patents done? 24 00:00:51,790 --> 00:00:53,401 It's David. 25 00:00:53,444 --> 00:00:55,098 This guy who has been calling himself Michael Fenne 26 00:00:55,142 --> 00:00:57,535 is really a fugitive of the law. 27 00:00:57,579 --> 00:00:59,320 David Kim Stanley. 28 00:00:59,363 --> 00:01:02,714 God has blessed me with a unique ability to defy reality. 29 00:01:08,590 --> 00:01:12,115 The fatal error is a piece of code that causes the program to abort. 30 00:01:12,942 --> 00:01:16,554 Things completely stopped working properly, like you can't continue. 31 00:01:16,989 --> 00:01:19,862 Something went wrong that we can't recover from. 32 00:01:21,907 --> 00:01:26,129 It can be presented in a variety of ways and the really irritating thing is when it 33 00:01:26,173 --> 00:01:31,308 happens arbitrarily and not consistently because it makes it really hard to fix. 34 00:01:35,051 --> 00:01:38,010 The folks at Time called us and said they wanted to put him on the cover. 35 00:01:38,707 --> 00:01:42,841 It was always work to get Marc to agree to do too much, you know, to do anything. 36 00:01:42,885 --> 00:01:46,628 I think he was never thrilled about this cover, you know, the fact that he was pictured 37 00:01:46,671 --> 00:01:48,978 on a throne with bare feet. 38 00:01:49,021 --> 00:01:52,460 Okay, let's try one with a little bigger smile. 39 00:02:00,163 --> 00:02:01,904 Great. 40 00:02:03,079 --> 00:02:04,559 Do you see that? 41 00:02:04,602 --> 00:02:07,431 This is Marc Andreessen on the cover of Time Magazine. 42 00:02:07,910 --> 00:02:10,434 This was quite the moment for us. 43 00:02:10,478 --> 00:02:13,263 Look at these toenails. Crazy, right? 44 00:02:13,568 --> 00:02:15,265 . 45 00:02:15,309 --> 00:02:17,920 Marc, how's my favorite pin-up doing this morning? 46 00:02:17,963 --> 00:02:19,443 You hanging in there? 47 00:02:19,487 --> 00:02:21,532 How often would you say you clip your toenails? 48 00:02:21,576 --> 00:02:22,925 How often do I clip my toenails? 49 00:02:22,968 --> 00:02:25,145 I dunno. 50 00:02:25,188 --> 00:02:27,495 About once every two weeks, I guess, y'know, unless I'm gonna be some place where 51 00:02:27,538 --> 00:02:29,497 people are gonna see my feet. 52 00:02:29,540 --> 00:02:32,935 Like, say, on the cover of a major news magazine? 53 00:02:33,283 --> 00:02:35,285 You're barefoot? 54 00:02:35,329 --> 00:02:38,158 Apparently the idea is these aren't your father's titans of industry. 55 00:02:38,201 --> 00:02:41,900 This new generation doesn't play by the rules, or own shoes, for that matter. 56 00:02:41,944 --> 00:02:45,165 Well, uh, they ask you to take off any more clothes, you let me know. 57 00:02:46,340 --> 00:02:47,776 Jim Clark's on. 58 00:02:47,819 --> 00:02:50,126 Come on, light, come on! 59 00:02:50,170 --> 00:02:51,736 Jim. 60 00:02:51,780 --> 00:02:56,088 So I got a call this morning from Rick Washburn at KPMG. 61 00:02:56,132 --> 00:02:59,091 What are you doing?! 62 00:02:59,135 --> 00:03:01,833 You're cutting me off! 63 00:03:01,877 --> 00:03:04,271 Now what are you doing, you're stopping? 64 00:03:04,314 --> 00:03:06,098 C'mon! 65 00:03:06,142 --> 00:03:09,232 KPMG is removing Navigator software from their system. 66 00:03:09,276 --> 00:03:12,235 They're terminating our relationship. 67 00:03:12,279 --> 00:03:13,541 What do you mean terminating? 68 00:03:13,584 --> 00:03:15,064 We just made the deal. 69 00:03:15,107 --> 00:03:17,109 Apparently someone paid off our contract. 70 00:03:17,153 --> 00:03:18,937 Someone? 71 00:03:18,981 --> 00:03:20,417 Someone who can afford to pay off $25 million contract 72 00:03:20,461 --> 00:03:22,114 without blinking an eye. 73 00:03:22,158 --> 00:03:24,029 I'll give you three guesses. 74 00:03:24,073 --> 00:03:28,164 Microsoft pig . 75 00:03:29,687 --> 00:03:32,037 KPMG's a big consulting firm. 76 00:03:32,081 --> 00:03:34,605 I'm not saying it ain't a kick in the kiwis, but. 77 00:03:34,649 --> 00:03:38,261 17,000 users, 120 U.S. offices down the toilet. 78 00:03:38,305 --> 00:03:41,221 COME! ON! 79 00:03:41,264 --> 00:03:44,093 Look, we got Microsoft beat on market share. 80 00:03:44,136 --> 00:03:45,355 We got 'em beat on tech. 81 00:03:45,399 --> 00:03:47,009 So they're throwing money at it. 82 00:03:47,052 --> 00:03:49,403 We just keep doing what we do. 83 00:03:49,707 --> 00:03:53,058 Navigator 2.0 still on target for a February 5th ship date, Marc? 84 00:03:56,018 --> 00:03:59,456 . 85 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:02,154 Marc, you there? 86 00:04:08,117 --> 00:04:11,381 Marc? You there? 87 00:04:12,077 --> 00:04:17,213 . 88 00:04:32,272 --> 00:04:34,186 Look, buddy, I'm in no mood. 89 00:04:34,230 --> 00:04:39,627 . 90 00:04:41,281 --> 00:04:44,327 Ahhhhhh, oh my God, oh my God! 91 00:04:44,371 --> 00:04:46,547 Amy. Amy. 92 00:04:46,590 --> 00:04:48,375 Shh, listen to me, listen to me. 93 00:04:48,418 --> 00:04:50,812 You see all that? It didn't happen. 94 00:04:50,855 --> 00:04:51,987 It didn't? 95 00:04:52,030 --> 00:04:53,815 No. That dude ain't here. 96 00:04:53,858 --> 00:04:56,165 Also, I don't really exist. You understand? 97 00:04:56,208 --> 00:04:59,603 I'm an amalgam of all the various investment bankers of the period. 98 00:04:59,647 --> 00:05:01,301 Right. 99 00:05:01,344 --> 00:05:04,129 I'm imaginary. You understand, right? 100 00:05:04,173 --> 00:05:05,609 Yeah. Good. 101 00:05:05,653 --> 00:05:08,482 Now give me a second, I have some explaining to do. 102 00:05:13,138 --> 00:05:16,794 So while Microsoft didn't literally kill anyone, 103 00:05:16,838 --> 00:05:18,883 they were coming hard after Netscape. 104 00:05:18,927 --> 00:05:20,755 And in a fashion that would make a gangster say, 105 00:05:20,798 --> 00:05:23,366 "Oh my God, that was pretty gangster." 106 00:05:23,410 --> 00:05:25,542 Let me explain it to you. 107 00:05:25,586 --> 00:05:29,851 So in 1980, IBM was 3,000 times the size of Microsoft. 108 00:05:29,894 --> 00:05:32,070 I know, right? That's huge. 109 00:05:32,114 --> 00:05:36,205 But ten years later, Gates ruled Silicon Valley, and Big Blue was gasping for air. 110 00:05:36,858 --> 00:05:39,991 You see, IBM just wasn't aggressive enough in fighting off the upstart. 111 00:05:40,035 --> 00:05:45,214 And Gates was not about to let his $100 billion baby suffer the same fate. 112 00:05:46,476 --> 00:05:49,610 Microsoft intended on staying on top, and to accomplish that, 113 00:05:49,653 --> 00:05:54,963 one thing remained very clear: they needed to make Netscape dead. 114 00:05:55,442 --> 00:05:56,791 Again, just a metaphor. 115 00:05:56,834 --> 00:05:58,445 Like, they weren't actually killing, anyway. 116 00:05:58,488 --> 00:06:02,013 Ah. Whoo. I'm back. 117 00:06:11,327 --> 00:06:12,415 . 118 00:06:12,459 --> 00:06:14,156 Hey! Get movin', man! 119 00:06:20,597 --> 00:06:23,295 . 120 00:06:43,359 --> 00:06:46,623 Investors clamored to buy shares of Amazon.com this week. 121 00:06:46,667 --> 00:06:49,104 One in every four IPOs is technology-related. 122 00:06:49,147 --> 00:06:50,932 You better get on board now. 123 00:06:50,975 --> 00:06:52,107 Institutional investors gobbled up the most 124 00:06:52,150 --> 00:06:54,109 promising new issues. 125 00:06:54,152 --> 00:06:56,372 Some of these valuations are in another galaxy. 126 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:58,330 Valuation levels in the Internet industry are just obscene. 127 00:06:58,374 --> 00:07:01,682 We're in a true mania for Internet stocks. 128 00:07:01,725 --> 00:07:04,902 So you had a lot of people with a lot of money and nothing to do with it. 129 00:07:04,946 --> 00:07:08,993 So you had parties and Ferraris and planes. 130 00:07:09,254 --> 00:07:11,474 And they were all just like spending crazy amounts of money, 131 00:07:11,518 --> 00:07:14,434 they wanted like the best gourmet food, they wanted parties. 132 00:07:14,869 --> 00:07:18,525 The parties were lavish and everybody is there kind of schmoozing and that 133 00:07:18,568 --> 00:07:21,136 was a big part of the culture at the time. 134 00:07:24,531 --> 00:07:26,533 The nights were just whirlwinds, you know, 135 00:07:26,576 --> 00:07:28,622 you wouldn't just go from party to party. 136 00:07:28,665 --> 00:07:30,798 And if you went somewhere and it wasn't that exciting 137 00:07:30,841 --> 00:07:33,148 you'd just move on to the next place. 138 00:07:33,191 --> 00:07:36,499 I mean, at a certain point, you'd just hear about some of the parties from your friends 139 00:07:36,543 --> 00:07:39,850 and you would go to these other parties, you couldn't, you know, hit everything. 140 00:07:40,938 --> 00:07:44,072 It got to the point where there could be 6 or 7 launch parties in one night. 141 00:07:44,376 --> 00:07:49,077 It was great, if you were in your 20s or 30s and single, which basically everyone was. 142 00:07:49,381 --> 00:07:51,253 I just don't get it. 143 00:07:51,296 --> 00:07:52,472 What's there to get? 144 00:07:52,515 --> 00:07:54,256 Jeeves. Jeeves. 145 00:07:54,299 --> 00:07:57,085 I'm desperate to know, say, Latvia's biggest export and I ask Jeeves? 146 00:07:57,128 --> 00:07:59,174 You're desperate to know Latvia's biggest export? 147 00:07:59,217 --> 00:08:01,437 Maybe. 148 00:08:01,481 --> 00:08:03,613 And because I'm a discerning seeker of information, my first thought of course is to 149 00:08:03,657 --> 00:08:06,311 go online and ask Jeeves, who's a butler. 150 00:08:06,355 --> 00:08:08,400 Jeeves isn't a butler, he's a valet. 151 00:08:08,444 --> 00:08:10,707 He takes care of the master of the house, lays out his clothes, handles. 152 00:08:10,751 --> 00:08:12,840 How's that not a butler? 153 00:08:12,883 --> 00:08:14,668 The point is of all the literary characters they could have built their company 154 00:08:14,711 --> 00:08:17,279 concept around, this is who they choose? 155 00:08:17,322 --> 00:08:19,716 You are way overthinking this. 156 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,544 Or maybe they're way under-thinking it. 157 00:08:21,588 --> 00:08:24,155 That butler's valued at 900 million pounds. 158 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:25,983 But whatever. 159 00:08:26,984 --> 00:08:28,943 Some of the parties were insane. 160 00:08:28,986 --> 00:08:32,337 Startups were throwing $100,000 parties before they'd even earned a cent. 161 00:08:32,381 --> 00:08:33,948 Does anyone have a clue what this company does? 162 00:08:33,991 --> 00:08:35,340 Anyone? 163 00:08:35,384 --> 00:08:36,951 Something to do with shells. 164 00:08:36,994 --> 00:08:38,343 Y'know who would have the definitive answer on this? 165 00:08:38,387 --> 00:08:39,519 No! Don't! 166 00:08:39,562 --> 00:08:41,346 We should ask Jeeves. 167 00:08:41,390 --> 00:08:44,393 To our generous hosts. 168 00:08:44,872 --> 00:08:48,571 When your company invariably goes belly up due to profligate spending 169 00:08:48,615 --> 00:08:50,704 and an utter lack of revenue. 170 00:08:50,747 --> 00:08:53,576 We shall remember you, whoever you are dot-com, 171 00:08:53,620 --> 00:08:57,449 if not your name or the service you offered. 172 00:08:57,493 --> 00:08:59,277 But! 173 00:08:59,321 --> 00:09:01,802 For this magnificent array of free food and beverage you provided 174 00:09:01,845 --> 00:09:04,544 before your untimely demise. 175 00:09:04,587 --> 00:09:08,286 You put a dot-com on anything and its value went up in the minds of people or 176 00:09:08,330 --> 00:09:11,072 you looked cooler or you seemed more important. 177 00:09:11,115 --> 00:09:14,902 And so businesses were putting dot-coms on the cover of magazines 178 00:09:14,945 --> 00:09:16,599 and they didn't even have websites. 179 00:09:16,643 --> 00:09:18,514 And if they'd had a website, nobody was running it, 180 00:09:18,558 --> 00:09:20,690 cause they didn't even know what it was. 181 00:09:20,734 --> 00:09:23,040 The Internet was the hot thing and everybody knew they needed to be there, 182 00:09:23,563 --> 00:09:28,437 bringing Internet streaming to Hollywood, this was an idea that Hollywood was already 183 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,135 vastly interested in. 184 00:09:35,096 --> 00:09:38,055 To have high quality video over the Internet. 185 00:09:38,099 --> 00:09:40,797 That was enough to get anybody's attention in those days. 186 00:09:40,841 --> 00:09:43,539 Hi, I'm Michael Fenne. 187 00:09:44,366 --> 00:09:48,849 After Robert Dunning and Michael Fenne part ways, Michael quickly starts showing 188 00:09:48,892 --> 00:09:54,419 off the same digital motion off-the-shelf technology to a whole new crop of investors. 189 00:09:55,464 --> 00:09:57,074 Right up there, ok, thank you. 190 00:09:57,118 --> 00:10:00,512 He's now started a whole new company called Pixelon. 191 00:10:00,556 --> 00:10:04,952 Only this time Michael is passing the technology off as, uh, 192 00:10:04,995 --> 00:10:09,347 proprietary technology that's unique and has never been, uh, done before. 193 00:10:09,391 --> 00:10:14,178 And he's passing himself off as the brainchild behind all of it. 194 00:10:17,486 --> 00:10:19,575 Hello Mr. Fenne, how are you? 195 00:10:20,141 --> 00:10:21,185 Brian. 196 00:10:21,229 --> 00:10:23,535 Hi, Brian. You see that? 197 00:10:23,579 --> 00:10:27,322 Guh, look at that. Keep it up boys! 198 00:10:28,628 --> 00:10:30,847 Brian! 199 00:10:30,891 --> 00:10:34,372 Wow, working at a big time Hollywood studio, that must be exciting. 200 00:10:34,677 --> 00:10:36,287 Oh, yeah, definitely. 201 00:10:36,331 --> 00:10:39,029 We're going to go pick up Stu up at the marketing building. 202 00:10:39,073 --> 00:10:40,596 But you hate marketing. 203 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,338 Um. 204 00:10:43,381 --> 00:10:45,470 Don't worry, I ain't gonna spill the beans to your boss. 205 00:10:45,514 --> 00:10:49,213 Marketing's fine, it's just, y'know, it's not my life's ambition. 206 00:10:49,649 --> 00:10:52,608 Let me guess, you want to direct? 207 00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:56,481 No, I'm actually, I'm hoping to be a costume designer. 208 00:10:57,047 --> 00:10:59,571 Don't hope. Just do it. 209 00:10:59,615 --> 00:11:01,225 It's Brian, right? 210 00:11:01,269 --> 00:11:03,401 Don't let anything stop you from achieving that goal. 211 00:11:03,445 --> 00:11:06,056 You do whatever it takes, you hear me? 212 00:11:06,100 --> 00:11:08,885 Hey! I need you to say it, Brian. 213 00:11:08,929 --> 00:11:10,887 I need you to say that you hear me. 214 00:11:10,931 --> 00:11:14,543 Um, I hear you. Atta boy. 215 00:11:17,459 --> 00:11:19,591 Thanks. He's up there. 216 00:11:19,635 --> 00:11:21,506 Pixelon was gonna be everything. 217 00:11:21,550 --> 00:11:24,553 Pixelon was going to be the platform that delivered content, 218 00:11:24,596 --> 00:11:27,469 but they were also going to be the content provider, themselves. 219 00:11:28,296 --> 00:11:30,690 They were going to have a thousand channels. 220 00:11:30,733 --> 00:11:32,126 There he is. 221 00:11:32,169 --> 00:11:33,649 Stu Keller. You must be? 222 00:11:33,693 --> 00:11:35,172 Michael Fenne. What a pleasure. 223 00:11:35,216 --> 00:11:37,261 Pleasure is all mine. 224 00:11:37,305 --> 00:11:38,828 I'd like to introduce you to my creative team, why don't we hop in the back. 225 00:11:38,872 --> 00:11:40,874 Alrighty. 226 00:11:41,526 --> 00:11:45,574 Now Joe Q. Public, he's a hard core Trekkie. 227 00:11:46,575 --> 00:11:48,620 He can wish you a Merry Christmas in Klingon and Romulan, 228 00:11:48,664 --> 00:11:51,580 and he is dying just to know what that new movie's going to be like. 229 00:11:51,623 --> 00:11:53,756 So what's Mr. Public do? 230 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,151 Buy a ticket to "Men in Black" and he's just hoping and praying, dear God, please, 231 00:11:57,194 --> 00:11:59,501 I'll be good, that they show that Star Trek trailer? 232 00:11:59,544 --> 00:12:03,113 Or watch TV all day long, just wishing on a dream? 233 00:12:03,157 --> 00:12:06,203 If you were Paramount the last thing you wanted was to get beat by one of your 234 00:12:06,247 --> 00:12:11,513 competitors, and they're putting some sort of trailer for their next big movie that 235 00:12:11,556 --> 00:12:14,603 you're competing against and they've got it on online and they've got it on the Internet 236 00:12:14,646 --> 00:12:16,257 and you don't. 237 00:12:16,300 --> 00:12:18,694 It's all about file compression. 238 00:12:19,216 --> 00:12:21,566 Hey, do you remember that movie, "Sunset Boulevard"? 239 00:12:22,263 --> 00:12:26,571 Gloria Swanson, she says, "I'm big, the pictures got small." 240 00:12:26,615 --> 00:12:28,573 Well, it's 50 years later, the pictures got big again, 241 00:12:28,617 --> 00:12:30,793 only someone forgot to tell Microsoft. 242 00:12:30,837 --> 00:12:33,230 Have you seen their Windows Media Player? 243 00:12:33,274 --> 00:12:37,539 I'm not one to speak ill of a competitor, and Bill Gates, fierce competitor and a 244 00:12:37,582 --> 00:12:42,413 friend, but the screen's so minuscule you need binoculars to see the damn video. 245 00:12:42,936 --> 00:12:45,547 We're talking Star Trek here. 246 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,986 Alright. 247 00:12:50,030 --> 00:12:53,903 Prepare to boldly go where no man has gone before. 248 00:12:54,730 --> 00:12:57,428 Go ahead. Get in there. 249 00:12:57,472 --> 00:12:59,648 Hey, I'm a big fan. 250 00:12:59,691 --> 00:13:01,432 Get in there, watch this. 251 00:13:01,476 --> 00:13:03,043 It's really, really easy to fake it. 252 00:13:03,086 --> 00:13:04,740 And that's what they would do. 253 00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:07,917 They would take a video and show it on a PC and they'd say, 254 00:13:07,961 --> 00:13:11,442 this is what it looks like only over a 56K modem. 255 00:13:11,486 --> 00:13:13,749 Now, we've got some things we have to figure out. 256 00:13:13,793 --> 00:13:18,580 It's not quite ready to let you just dial in right yet, but look, it's on a PC. 257 00:13:19,189 --> 00:13:22,627 Well, anybody can do that from a hard drive. 258 00:13:23,411 --> 00:13:26,370 It's really easy to see how Paramount and some of these other companies 259 00:13:26,414 --> 00:13:29,069 might have cut these deals. 260 00:13:29,112 --> 00:13:32,420 The downside of making deals very quickly is that you had 261 00:13:32,463 --> 00:13:35,162 a lot less time to scrutinize 'em. 262 00:13:37,773 --> 00:13:40,994 It's not 3-D but it's got that sort of effect where everything is separated. 263 00:13:41,037 --> 00:13:43,431 The original BluBlockers sunglasses, block 100% 264 00:13:43,474 --> 00:13:48,958 of the ultraviolet and blue light, and lightweight nylon frames, carrying case... 265 00:13:57,924 --> 00:14:01,449 You know, I never thought SFGirl was going to be this phenomenon. 266 00:14:02,189 --> 00:14:06,671 So I have this box of, like, SFGirl memories, and one of the things I have is this 267 00:14:06,715 --> 00:14:10,197 little case just full of business cards I collected. 268 00:14:11,938 --> 00:14:14,418 It really just started as a way for me to make social plans. 269 00:14:18,031 --> 00:14:21,382 I'd recently left my job for the tech industry and thought it'd be fun to start 270 00:14:21,425 --> 00:14:23,906 hanging with more tech folks and that whole scene. 271 00:14:23,950 --> 00:14:27,605 So I trotted out my new programming skills, then sent an email to 50 people, 272 00:14:27,649 --> 00:14:29,956 was like, "Hey, I made this website." 273 00:14:33,611 --> 00:14:37,485 I actually toyed with the idea of calling it "the watering hole" because I was thinking 274 00:14:37,528 --> 00:14:40,575 it would be a place to meet up and for people to connect. 275 00:14:41,619 --> 00:14:43,534 I went with SFGirl.com instead. 276 00:14:43,578 --> 00:14:45,580 Anyway, people started inviting their friends to go on the site, 277 00:14:45,623 --> 00:14:47,016 and things just sort of took off. 278 00:14:47,060 --> 00:14:49,584 Morning, sunshine. I made you coffee. 279 00:14:49,627 --> 00:14:50,715 But then I drank it. 280 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:51,891 Oh. 281 00:14:51,934 --> 00:14:53,283 I'm late for work. I gotta go. 282 00:14:53,327 --> 00:14:54,502 Well, party's at Ruby Skye tonight, right? 283 00:14:54,545 --> 00:14:56,025 Yeah, hopefully I can make it. 284 00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:57,984 We have this deadline at work. 285 00:14:58,027 --> 00:15:00,595 Patty Beron missing a party? 286 00:15:02,684 --> 00:15:05,600 So we were working our day jobs, but then we were going to these insane 287 00:15:05,643 --> 00:15:07,950 dot-com parties at night. 288 00:15:10,735 --> 00:15:13,390 People would say, "My company's having an event, it's going to be super fun, 289 00:15:13,434 --> 00:15:15,784 everyone's invited." 290 00:15:16,306 --> 00:15:18,743 The Cynosure Health project is 2 weeks behind. 291 00:15:19,179 --> 00:15:22,486 Gavin, Jess, Julianne. 292 00:15:23,661 --> 00:15:25,794 "Party Exchange" sprang from that. 293 00:15:25,837 --> 00:15:28,753 People would go on there and post where to find the coolest shindigs and soirees. 294 00:15:28,797 --> 00:15:32,409 That's when SFGirl really started growing. 295 00:15:36,413 --> 00:15:39,547 I did all the correspondence, I came up with story ideas for the writers. 296 00:15:44,247 --> 00:15:47,642 We had site analytics and we even had a server when the site started getting bigger. 297 00:15:48,469 --> 00:15:51,428 Around 20,000 visits a day was average. 298 00:15:51,994 --> 00:15:54,431 Patty, Patty, could you come in here? 299 00:15:56,607 --> 00:15:57,913 I know the Cynosure Health job is due on Friday 300 00:15:57,957 --> 00:15:59,610 and we're racing the clock on that. 301 00:15:59,654 --> 00:16:00,742 It's just. 302 00:16:00,785 --> 00:16:02,439 There's this party. 303 00:16:02,483 --> 00:16:04,572 Yeah, and I was planning on coming in early tomorrow. 304 00:16:04,615 --> 00:16:06,139 I don't want you to think I'm. 305 00:16:06,182 --> 00:16:09,142 I don't think you're, look, I want to go tonight. 306 00:16:09,620 --> 00:16:11,579 To this party. 307 00:16:11,622 --> 00:16:12,884 You want to go to the party? 308 00:16:12,928 --> 00:16:14,495 Yeah. 309 00:16:14,538 --> 00:16:17,672 I was curious how hard would it be to get on the VIP list? 310 00:16:18,194 --> 00:16:20,457 Consider it done. 311 00:16:20,762 --> 00:16:23,373 But if we see me there, just keep walking. 312 00:16:23,417 --> 00:16:24,853 Oh, okay. 313 00:16:24,896 --> 00:16:27,116 I'm just joking, Josh, we're good. 314 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,423 The parties definitely were for networking. 315 00:16:29,466 --> 00:16:33,688 I mean, like, oh, what do you do, wasn't such a boring question back then, 316 00:16:33,731 --> 00:16:37,474 it was like, oh, I'm working on this, and you should check it out and it was like 317 00:16:37,518 --> 00:16:39,650 everything was kind of new and exciting. 318 00:16:42,827 --> 00:16:46,135 Mike Egan very much wanted to own 51% of the company. 319 00:16:46,657 --> 00:16:52,750 That level of investment meant that he was entirely absorbed with our future success. 320 00:16:53,969 --> 00:16:56,711 Yep, totally. I agree. 321 00:16:56,754 --> 00:17:00,541 So, I had been an investment banker, then I met a gentleman named Michael Egan who is the 322 00:17:00,584 --> 00:17:05,763 owner of Alamo Rent A Car, which we sold and then formed Dancing Bear Investments to 323 00:17:05,807 --> 00:17:07,809 begin investing that capital. 324 00:17:07,852 --> 00:17:09,506 Yep, I'll let him know. 325 00:17:09,550 --> 00:17:11,378 Todd's right here, actually. 326 00:17:11,421 --> 00:17:12,596 Mike says hi. 327 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,903 Hey Mike. 328 00:17:14,946 --> 00:17:18,298 So Ed was Mike's right hand, he was Mike's interpreter and representative, ambassador, 329 00:17:18,341 --> 00:17:21,214 and also our ambassador back to Mike. 330 00:17:22,650 --> 00:17:24,608 Yeah. 331 00:17:24,652 --> 00:17:27,220 Mike wants you to run the numbers on maintaining the subscription model. 332 00:17:30,136 --> 00:17:32,573 I thought that was a dead issue. 333 00:17:32,616 --> 00:17:34,053 It's Mike. He likes to be thorough. 334 00:17:34,096 --> 00:17:36,229 It's just TheGlobe's been charging for access. 335 00:17:36,272 --> 00:17:39,797 Meanwhile, GeoCities has no paywall and is absolutely killing us on user growth. 336 00:17:40,494 --> 00:17:41,886 And how much did Geocities lose last year? 337 00:17:41,930 --> 00:17:43,584 That's not the, it's like with drug dealers. 338 00:17:43,627 --> 00:17:45,194 First one's free, right? 339 00:17:45,238 --> 00:17:49,894 You get them hooked, then, I don't do drugs, or sell drugs. 340 00:17:49,938 --> 00:17:51,374 That's not the best example. 341 00:17:51,418 --> 00:17:54,334 What I'm saying is revenues don't matter. 342 00:17:54,377 --> 00:17:57,728 They matter to the guy who may or may not be writing you a $5 million check. 343 00:17:57,772 --> 00:18:02,907 Todd and Steph were espousing their belief that we must remain free and we must grow 344 00:18:02,951 --> 00:18:04,953 the user-base at all costs. 345 00:18:04,996 --> 00:18:09,871 To grow, you know, the way Facebook grew later on, you know, a decade later. 346 00:18:09,914 --> 00:18:14,876 And Mike, knowing he might have to foot the bill, was look, 347 00:18:14,919 --> 00:18:19,315 we should have a path towards profitability. 348 00:18:20,577 --> 00:18:22,275 Mike's ultimately going to see it your way. 349 00:18:22,318 --> 00:18:23,885 I absolutely believe that. 350 00:18:23,928 --> 00:18:25,626 He trusts you and Steph. 351 00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:28,019 You should see the way he lights up when he talks about "the boys." 352 00:18:30,718 --> 00:18:32,720 But run the numbers. 353 00:18:33,938 --> 00:18:36,811 Where is Steph by the way? 354 00:18:36,854 --> 00:18:39,814 He's uh, I'll go get him. 355 00:18:46,429 --> 00:18:49,519 Mike Eagan was coming in guns blazing with his investment thinking, 356 00:18:49,563 --> 00:18:52,914 "Oh my God," your 20 new subscription models we should add on. 357 00:18:52,957 --> 00:18:56,744 And so people can subscribe to their different daily community, subscription, 358 00:18:56,787 --> 00:18:59,921 subscription, subscription, and eventually, Todd and I had to tell Mike, 359 00:18:59,964 --> 00:19:03,490 "Mike, that was, that was yesterday's model." 360 00:19:03,533 --> 00:19:05,840 It's not about the revenues. Did you explain that? 361 00:19:05,883 --> 00:19:08,016 Yes, I explained that. 362 00:19:08,059 --> 00:19:10,453 Do we even want his $5 million? 363 00:19:10,497 --> 00:19:13,587 Do we want $5 million? 364 00:19:13,630 --> 00:19:16,067 At that valuation, we'd be giving up an awful lot of control. 365 00:19:16,111 --> 00:19:18,374 Do we want $5 million?! 366 00:19:18,418 --> 00:19:21,116 Steph, I mean, we've spent the last four months, killing ourselves to close this deal. 367 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,859 We've burned through our initial stake, not to mention a big chunk of our own money. 368 00:19:24,902 --> 00:19:28,732 I can't speak to your finances, but I had to race to the bank to cash my 369 00:19:28,776 --> 00:19:32,171 grandmother's $25 birthday check so I didn't overdraw my account. 370 00:19:32,823 --> 00:19:35,913 Plus our servers, which I don't know even know if you know this, 371 00:19:35,957 --> 00:19:38,916 are kind of important to what we do, are basically being held together with 372 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,746 rubber bands and Scotch... Hey Jeremy. 373 00:19:43,660 --> 00:19:45,706 Oh hey Todd, how's it going? 374 00:19:45,749 --> 00:19:47,186 I spilled coffee. 375 00:19:47,229 --> 00:19:50,537 Hey Jeremy. 376 00:19:53,192 --> 00:19:54,758 And you can say goodbye to Jeremy! 377 00:19:54,802 --> 00:19:55,846 I love Jeremy. 378 00:19:55,890 --> 00:19:57,935 Who doesn't love Jeremy?! 379 00:19:57,979 --> 00:20:00,286 But we can't afford him and a dozen other people if we don't get more money. 380 00:20:00,329 --> 00:20:03,506 And in case you forgot, the whole reason we're even having this conversation in the men's 381 00:20:03,550 --> 00:20:06,857 room is because you have been having non-stop stomach aches from all the stress. 382 00:20:06,901 --> 00:20:09,947 You yelling at me is definitely helping on that count. 383 00:20:09,991 --> 00:20:13,951 Look, I agree $5 million for half of the company is steep, 384 00:20:13,995 --> 00:20:16,258 but this is our best shot here. 385 00:20:16,302 --> 00:20:17,781 You're right. It is. It is. 386 00:20:17,825 --> 00:20:19,740 I know, I'm being neurotic. 387 00:20:19,783 --> 00:20:21,220 It's our baby. 388 00:20:21,263 --> 00:20:23,526 Of course you're being protective. 389 00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:25,049 Our baby. Aww. 390 00:20:25,093 --> 00:20:26,660 That's not what I... 391 00:20:26,703 --> 00:20:28,575 Todd, we have so much to discuss about fatherhood. 392 00:20:28,618 --> 00:20:31,491 We had many debates. And we had them all the time. 393 00:20:32,666 --> 00:20:35,973 Ultimately, we decided, remove the subscription model. 394 00:20:36,670 --> 00:20:39,934 The moment we made it free, site traffic went up exponentially. 395 00:20:39,977 --> 00:20:41,675 Overnight. 396 00:20:41,718 --> 00:20:44,895 Mike was very generous about allowing us to make decisions, 397 00:20:44,939 --> 00:20:47,202 many that were not good decisions. 398 00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:50,771 But he always had an opinion and he often shared his own vision of how things 399 00:20:50,814 --> 00:20:55,471 should be and sometimes his vision was just miles away 400 00:20:55,515 --> 00:20:58,039 from how it actually needed to be. 401 00:20:58,605 --> 00:20:59,606 Did you get him up to speed? 402 00:20:59,649 --> 00:21:01,042 Yeah. We're on it. 403 00:21:01,085 --> 00:21:03,000 . 404 00:21:03,610 --> 00:21:05,960 Hey Mike. 405 00:21:07,483 --> 00:21:09,398 Hey, when we first met, did you think one day 406 00:21:09,442 --> 00:21:11,444 we'd be having a baby together? 407 00:21:11,487 --> 00:21:12,880 I'm really regretting using that word. 408 00:21:12,923 --> 00:21:14,621 She's growing up so fast. 409 00:21:14,664 --> 00:21:16,971 One day, she's going to be a full-fledged online virtual community. 410 00:21:17,014 --> 00:21:19,060 And we'll be like, where did the time go? 411 00:21:19,103 --> 00:21:20,453 You are so weird. 412 00:21:23,673 --> 00:21:25,936 So she's touching my butt, right? 413 00:21:25,980 --> 00:21:27,721 Go on. 414 00:21:27,764 --> 00:21:30,376 And the she takes off my shirt, and then I take off her shirt. 415 00:21:30,767 --> 00:21:32,073 Bra or no bra? 416 00:21:32,116 --> 00:21:33,770 At this point, the bra's still on. 417 00:21:33,814 --> 00:21:36,251 But she says maybe we should move to the bedroom. 418 00:21:36,295 --> 00:21:37,644 I'm so hard right now. 419 00:21:37,687 --> 00:21:40,124 Definitely keep going, I'm almost there. 420 00:21:40,603 --> 00:21:42,126 I didn't realize you were around, Tara. 421 00:21:42,170 --> 00:21:44,085 Sorry. I'll tell you the rest later. 422 00:21:44,128 --> 00:21:45,956 Seriously Tara, I can't get DSL at my apartment. 423 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,263 This is my porn. 424 00:21:49,351 --> 00:21:52,093 Fine. I'll put on headphones. 425 00:21:53,007 --> 00:21:54,138 So you're going to the bedroom. 426 00:21:54,182 --> 00:21:55,966 Right, and that's when I hear it. 427 00:21:56,010 --> 00:21:57,098 Hear what? 428 00:21:57,141 --> 00:21:58,099 It was her computer. 429 00:21:58,142 --> 00:21:59,361 What? What did you hear? 430 00:21:59,405 --> 00:22:02,408 Bling! You've got mail! 431 00:22:02,451 --> 00:22:05,585 AOL?! No! America Online! 432 00:22:05,628 --> 00:22:07,326 And that's not all. 433 00:22:07,369 --> 00:22:09,980 She's not just an AOL subscriber, she's a software engineer there. 434 00:22:10,024 --> 00:22:12,243 Tell me you walked out the door. 435 00:22:12,287 --> 00:22:16,073 It had been eight months since I'd, look, maybe you get laid on a regular basis. 436 00:22:16,117 --> 00:22:19,250 Yeah, it's pretty much non-stop. 437 00:22:21,601 --> 00:22:24,168 Well, the sex was pretty amazing. 438 00:22:24,212 --> 00:22:28,651 I don't care if her vagina could do card tricks, that is not okay. 439 00:22:29,130 --> 00:22:31,219 I thought you put headphones on. 440 00:22:31,262 --> 00:22:34,962 I used to have a modicum of respect for you, Sean, but now it's all gone. 441 00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:40,010 Come on, it's not like I had sex with a serial killer. 442 00:22:40,054 --> 00:22:43,013 A serial killer can probably write better code. 443 00:22:43,710 --> 00:22:46,887 AOL was maligned. We didn't take it seriously. 444 00:22:46,930 --> 00:22:50,281 It was based on this platform that wasn't the World Wide Web. 445 00:22:50,325 --> 00:22:51,761 You've got mail. 446 00:22:51,805 --> 00:22:54,155 It was, it was a joke I think to a lot of us. 447 00:22:54,198 --> 00:22:56,679 AOL. Gross. 448 00:22:57,288 --> 00:22:59,552 Booyah. 449 00:22:59,595 --> 00:23:02,642 AOL was successful during that time because it made the Internet accessible. 450 00:23:03,251 --> 00:23:08,082 The Internet was very daunting and the AOL made it easy to log on 451 00:23:08,125 --> 00:23:10,476 and to connect with other users. 452 00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:13,130 Casually, among friends, yeah, you could easily talk smack. 453 00:23:13,174 --> 00:23:18,092 AOL had been a company that had been seen as sort of less savvy and less of a tech 454 00:23:18,135 --> 00:23:23,184 company and the fact that they had continued to stay relevant over all the years, 455 00:23:23,227 --> 00:23:24,751 was amazing to me. 456 00:23:34,325 --> 00:23:36,502 I get it. 457 00:23:36,545 --> 00:23:38,982 Looks like somebody ate a ate a tacky-ass souvenir shop and then threw it all up, 458 00:23:39,505 --> 00:23:44,553 but this is Buck's of Woodside, California, a place where founders and VCs 459 00:23:44,597 --> 00:23:49,428 go to mate, a place where multi-billion-dollar deals are just called "Tuesday." 460 00:23:50,211 --> 00:23:51,299 Hey hey! 461 00:23:51,342 --> 00:23:52,474 I know these guys. 462 00:23:52,518 --> 00:23:54,563 Marc Andreessen, what's happening, baby? 463 00:23:54,607 --> 00:23:56,173 He don't like to be touched. 464 00:23:56,217 --> 00:23:58,306 But uh, I swear, he's a friend of mine. 465 00:23:58,349 --> 00:24:00,264 Hey, man, I'm gonna call you! 466 00:24:00,308 --> 00:24:01,701 There's these stories at Silicon Valley 467 00:24:01,744 --> 00:24:03,703 where people would go to Bucks for lunch or breakfast 468 00:24:03,746 --> 00:24:05,487 and they would sketch things out on a napkin 469 00:24:05,531 --> 00:24:07,010 and people would invest in them. 470 00:24:07,054 --> 00:24:09,317 At AOL we didn't believe we could do it alone. 471 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:13,364 We wanted to create a tapestry of alliances and together do something that we couldn't, 472 00:24:13,408 --> 00:24:15,366 none of us could do separately. 473 00:24:15,976 --> 00:24:18,718 The way I see it, it's Roosevelt and Stalin 474 00:24:18,761 --> 00:24:21,242 coming together against Hitler. 475 00:24:21,285 --> 00:24:23,505 Which one of us is Stalin? 476 00:24:23,549 --> 00:24:27,117 Well I've been known to enjoy a vodka or two, I'll take the hit on that. 477 00:24:27,161 --> 00:24:31,513 So our teams will get down to brass tacks on licensing fees, what not. 478 00:24:31,557 --> 00:24:34,603 I think we should be able to resolve this all fairly quickly. 479 00:24:34,951 --> 00:24:37,780 Here's the thing: we don't want to just license Netscape. 480 00:24:39,303 --> 00:24:43,438 Alright. What did you have in mind? 481 00:24:43,482 --> 00:24:47,834 If we combine our strengths, we can build a firewall against Microsoft. 482 00:24:49,052 --> 00:24:51,228 The AOL browser's not blowing any skirts up. 483 00:24:51,272 --> 00:24:52,708 We know that. 484 00:24:52,752 --> 00:24:55,189 Navigator, on the other hand, your tech is incredible. 485 00:24:55,232 --> 00:24:56,538 But from a content standpoint. 486 00:24:56,582 --> 00:24:57,844 We're not a content company. 487 00:24:57,887 --> 00:24:59,672 Which is my point. We are. 488 00:24:59,715 --> 00:25:02,152 You have all this traffic coming through your website. 489 00:25:02,196 --> 00:25:03,676 And what do you got on there? 490 00:25:03,719 --> 00:25:05,242 Some press releases? 491 00:25:05,286 --> 00:25:08,202 Links to articles in Infoworld? 492 00:25:08,245 --> 00:25:11,640 AOL would take over programming and ad sales for your site. 493 00:25:11,684 --> 00:25:13,424 Wow. 494 00:25:13,468 --> 00:25:15,470 And we'd also want a seat on the Netscape board. 495 00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:18,038 How about we give you a back rub and a big wet kiss every morning too? 496 00:25:18,081 --> 00:25:21,302 If that's gonna be a condition, I'm gonna have to check in with my wife first. 497 00:25:22,477 --> 00:25:26,742 What my colleague here is trying to say is that's an awful big ask. 498 00:25:27,221 --> 00:25:30,659 Especially in light of the fact we have 90% of the browser market, 499 00:25:30,703 --> 00:25:32,400 which is the market. 500 00:25:32,443 --> 00:25:34,271 You have 90% now. 501 00:25:34,315 --> 00:25:36,230 You've also got Microsoft breathing down your neck. 502 00:25:36,273 --> 00:25:39,102 We'd be driving our six million users to Netscape. 503 00:25:39,146 --> 00:25:40,887 Not to mention the ancillary benefits of being linked with 504 00:25:40,930 --> 00:25:42,932 the best known brand in cyberspace. 505 00:25:42,976 --> 00:25:45,456 AOL's the best known papyrus company in the era of the printing press. 506 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:47,284 And Netscape is Gutenberg? 507 00:25:47,328 --> 00:25:52,159 Look, AOL is a helluva brand, no question. 508 00:25:52,594 --> 00:25:57,077 But so is Netscape, and frankly we're a lot hotter. 509 00:25:57,860 --> 00:25:59,645 And your users are leaving in droves. 510 00:25:59,688 --> 00:26:01,560 Is that telling you anything? 511 00:26:01,603 --> 00:26:03,910 Because here's what it's telling me. 512 00:26:03,953 --> 00:26:07,174 It's telling me people don't want to pay $3.95 an hour for your content when Netscape is 513 00:26:07,217 --> 00:26:10,220 giving them a gateway to infinite content for free. 514 00:26:10,264 --> 00:26:12,788 It doesn't take a futurist to see which way this is headed. 515 00:26:13,659 --> 00:26:15,530 People have been predicting AOL's demise 516 00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:18,402 since before Netscape was in diapers. 517 00:26:18,446 --> 00:26:21,405 We weren't big enough to compete with Prodigy and CompuServe. 518 00:26:21,449 --> 00:26:24,844 We were too lightweight to make a splash in the tech world. 519 00:26:24,887 --> 00:26:27,716 Microsoft was going to kill us with MSN. 520 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,980 Yet here we are. 521 00:26:34,636 --> 00:26:37,160 We negotiated a straight licensing deal with AOL. 522 00:26:37,639 --> 00:26:40,990 We thought "My God, here's a big behemoth online service 523 00:26:41,034 --> 00:26:42,644 that's gonna use our browser." 524 00:26:42,688 --> 00:26:45,604 Our stock went up 16% the day we announced. 525 00:26:45,647 --> 00:26:48,302 No, I understand. 526 00:26:48,345 --> 00:26:50,565 No, I appreciate you callin'. 527 00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:53,046 Okay, bye now. 528 00:26:53,786 --> 00:26:56,266 . 529 00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:59,835 The next morning, they announced that they had done a much tighter deal with 530 00:26:59,879 --> 00:27:02,011 Microsoft than they did with us. 531 00:27:02,055 --> 00:27:03,883 Microsoft was in at AOL. 532 00:27:03,926 --> 00:27:07,451 And their browser won the default position and that's what you wanted. 533 00:27:07,756 --> 00:27:11,325 As part of that, they agreed to bundle AOL into the Windows operating system. 534 00:27:11,368 --> 00:27:15,111 It didn't negate our deal, but it might as well have. 535 00:27:15,155 --> 00:27:19,159 They were locking us out, Microsoft was actively making deals, 536 00:27:19,202 --> 00:27:23,859 doing things that would make it hard for us to sell our browser. 537 00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:26,340 Hey, you wanna hear something? 538 00:27:29,604 --> 00:27:32,302 Microsoft sandbagged us, again! 539 00:27:32,346 --> 00:27:33,695 It's so shady. 540 00:27:33,739 --> 00:27:36,437 It's worse than shady, it's sleazy. 541 00:27:37,046 --> 00:27:39,440 And AOL, with their song and dance, 542 00:27:39,483 --> 00:27:41,877 "We hate Microsoft. Microsoft is the worst." 543 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,752 What? 544 00:27:46,795 --> 00:27:48,362 Nothing. 545 00:27:48,405 --> 00:27:49,972 You're always so gentlemanly. 546 00:27:50,016 --> 00:27:52,366 I don't think I've ever seen you so worked up. 547 00:27:53,454 --> 00:27:54,760 I get worked up sometimes. 548 00:27:54,803 --> 00:27:56,239 No, I like it. 549 00:27:56,283 --> 00:27:58,459 Jim Barksdale used the word sleazy. 550 00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:05,509 Sleazy sonsa'bitches. 551 00:28:05,553 --> 00:28:07,511 That really pissed me off. 552 00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:12,255 When we announced our partnership with Microsoft, there were people at Netscape 553 00:28:12,299 --> 00:28:13,430 that were annoyed. 554 00:28:13,474 --> 00:28:15,389 I did talk to Jim Barksdale. 555 00:28:15,432 --> 00:28:18,566 But there were some, initially, some frustrations, some hard feelings. 556 00:28:19,523 --> 00:28:21,700 God, it was infuriating. 557 00:28:21,743 --> 00:28:24,137 I mean everybody was so angry. 558 00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:27,227 It didn't matter whose product was better. 559 00:28:27,270 --> 00:28:30,012 Um, that was the product that was getting installed 560 00:28:30,056 --> 00:28:32,449 and we had no way of fighting against that. 561 00:28:32,493 --> 00:28:35,409 That's back when we were both fighting hard for market share. 562 00:28:35,888 --> 00:28:39,021 Netscape did start losing market share, so I'm sure it was a tipping point 563 00:28:39,065 --> 00:28:41,284 in terms of the browser wars. 564 00:28:41,328 --> 00:28:45,114 And by then it was getting into, do you win against Microsoft or not? 565 00:28:45,158 --> 00:28:49,553 And they did business deals with their throw weight and resource 566 00:28:49,597 --> 00:28:51,381 that we couldn't even get near. 567 00:28:51,817 --> 00:28:54,515 We were a browser company, we were the browser company 568 00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:57,518 and we were losing the browser war. 569 00:29:01,609 --> 00:29:04,525 Michael Egan told us, "I wanna do business with you guys." 570 00:29:04,568 --> 00:29:06,745 "And I'm ready to invest $5 million." 571 00:29:06,788 --> 00:29:08,703 This is the real deal. 572 00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:11,358 We're gonna go from almost running out of money to the Big Leagues now. 573 00:29:11,967 --> 00:29:14,753 What happens if you expand the features included in the free service, 574 00:29:14,796 --> 00:29:17,886 while lowering the price point for the gold and silver memberships? 575 00:29:18,931 --> 00:29:22,761 That's in there, page five, I believe. 576 00:29:25,589 --> 00:29:29,811 Mike is someone who, on his companies had made big bets to make big money. 577 00:29:30,464 --> 00:29:33,728 Todd and I knew this was our one shot. 578 00:29:36,862 --> 00:29:39,342 Yup. 579 00:29:41,388 --> 00:29:44,130 I think our valuation is too low. 580 00:29:44,173 --> 00:29:46,828 Like way too low. 581 00:29:47,786 --> 00:29:50,658 We are not a $10 million company. 582 00:29:50,701 --> 00:29:52,355 We're just not. 583 00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:53,922 If you consider what Yahoo's doing. 584 00:29:53,966 --> 00:29:55,663 No offense, TheGlobe is not Yahoo. 585 00:29:55,706 --> 00:29:57,752 Two years ago, Yahoo wasn't Yahoo. 586 00:29:57,796 --> 00:29:59,972 Now they're a billion-dollar company. 587 00:30:00,015 --> 00:30:02,017 Look, we're onto something here, guys, I can feel it. 588 00:30:02,061 --> 00:30:03,932 Todd feels it. 589 00:30:03,976 --> 00:30:07,675 Mike, Ed, I think you guys feel it. 590 00:30:08,850 --> 00:30:11,853 Yahoo connected people to the Internet. 591 00:30:11,897 --> 00:30:14,334 We're connecting people to each other. 592 00:30:14,377 --> 00:30:16,727 It's kinda powerful. 593 00:30:16,771 --> 00:30:19,034 Look, we're not asking you to value you us at a billion dollars. 594 00:30:19,382 --> 00:30:22,516 We're not worth a billion dollars, not yet. 595 00:30:23,952 --> 00:30:28,435 Mike, we believe a $40 million valuation is fair. 596 00:30:42,057 --> 00:30:44,799 Can you boys give us the room? 597 00:30:46,496 --> 00:30:49,543 Yeah, yeah. 598 00:30:52,328 --> 00:30:55,288 This was either gonna be the greatest thing ever that brings us all the success 599 00:30:55,331 --> 00:30:59,292 we've dreamed of, or he's gonna come back and tell us, thanks boys, 600 00:30:59,335 --> 00:31:02,338 you're crazy and we're not gonna invest at all. 601 00:31:03,513 --> 00:31:06,125 You may have just blown the entire thing. 602 00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:09,476 What did I just do? 603 00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:12,131 Inches from the goal line, you told the man that we need to keep our company 604 00:31:12,174 --> 00:31:15,830 afloat he lowballed us by a factor of four. 605 00:31:16,439 --> 00:31:18,180 Then what did he do? 606 00:31:18,224 --> 00:31:20,139 He told us to leave our own conference room. 607 00:31:20,182 --> 00:31:21,880 And we did. 608 00:31:21,923 --> 00:31:23,664 You can hit me if you want. 609 00:31:27,059 --> 00:31:28,843 Jesus! I didn't think you'd actually do it. 610 00:31:28,887 --> 00:31:30,584 Yeah, well. 611 00:31:30,627 --> 00:31:33,848 I want to say it was around $40 million. 612 00:31:35,328 --> 00:31:37,634 We bought 51% for 20 million. 613 00:31:37,678 --> 00:31:40,376 Which at the time was the single biggest investment 614 00:31:40,420 --> 00:31:42,857 in Internet history by an individual. 615 00:31:45,033 --> 00:31:45,991 Gentlemen. 616 00:31:46,034 --> 00:31:48,036 Boys. 617 00:31:48,471 --> 00:31:51,387 . 618 00:31:52,606 --> 00:31:54,651 Okay we are definitely celebrating. 619 00:31:54,695 --> 00:31:56,871 If your stomach can handle it, there's supposed to be a great 620 00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:58,873 new Indian place in the Village. 621 00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:01,006 Mr. Krizelman, would you please leave Todd's body for a second? 622 00:32:01,049 --> 00:32:02,964 I would like to speak to your son. 623 00:32:03,008 --> 00:32:05,053 First off, my dad would never eat Indian, so. 624 00:32:05,097 --> 00:32:08,013 We just quadrupled the valuation of our company and got $20 million. 625 00:32:08,056 --> 00:32:10,493 So here's how it's going to go. 626 00:32:10,537 --> 00:32:14,628 We're going to Cali, we're gonna drink and we're gonna dance and you're going to have 627 00:32:14,671 --> 00:32:15,977 the time of your life. 628 00:32:16,021 --> 00:32:18,197 Alright, alright. 629 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,068 We now had a new partner and it was no longer gonna be the Todd and Steph 630 00:32:20,112 --> 00:32:22,984 show, it was gonna be the Todd and Steph and Mike Egan show. 631 00:32:42,917 --> 00:32:47,139 Patty Beron. How dope is she? 632 00:32:47,182 --> 00:32:49,315 Mm-mm-mm. 633 00:32:49,358 --> 00:32:52,187 So, she starts this message board, but then it turns into this whole other thing. 634 00:32:52,666 --> 00:32:55,277 What's the current analog, I don't know, um... 635 00:32:55,321 --> 00:32:57,714 Jezebel. Thrillist, maybe. 636 00:32:57,758 --> 00:33:01,544 I'm talking party reviews, recommendations on where to see the best music and art, 637 00:33:01,588 --> 00:33:03,546 where to find a good cup of coffee in the Mission. 638 00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:05,418 Places to volunteer and psychological advice. 639 00:33:05,461 --> 00:33:07,159 Posts about politics and relationships. 640 00:33:07,202 --> 00:33:09,030 Who else was doing that at the time? 641 00:33:09,074 --> 00:33:12,120 I will give you a hint: NOBODY. 642 00:33:12,642 --> 00:33:14,775 Nobody was doing that. 643 00:33:14,818 --> 00:33:17,996 SFGirl was a blog before anybody knew the word meant. 644 00:33:18,735 --> 00:33:22,478 Hey, did you know SFGirl had up to 20 writers at one point? 645 00:33:23,218 --> 00:33:26,004 Don't say that you knew that because I know that you didn't. 646 00:33:26,874 --> 00:33:29,050 We should uh, go. 647 00:33:29,094 --> 00:33:31,879 Mm. We should go. 648 00:33:33,489 --> 00:33:35,883 I never made any money on SFGirl. 649 00:33:35,926 --> 00:33:39,974 It was still hard at that point to sell people on the idea of advertising on a website. 650 00:33:40,583 --> 00:33:43,021 Besides, how much money do you really need when 651 00:33:43,064 --> 00:33:46,154 you're going to parties and eating free food every night? 652 00:33:46,633 --> 00:33:48,504 Y'know? 653 00:33:50,115 --> 00:33:51,725 All that hard work and nothing to show for it 654 00:33:51,768 --> 00:33:54,075 but a few cosmos and some crab puffs. 655 00:33:54,728 --> 00:33:57,644 Whenever you hear stories about a gold rush you always hear about the people that 656 00:33:57,687 --> 00:34:00,429 made a fortune or lost a fortune. 657 00:34:00,473 --> 00:34:06,392 But what about the blacksmiths, hah, in the gold-mining town, hah, 658 00:34:08,437 --> 00:34:14,791 who created a new horseshoe, look, SFGirl was a damn cool horseshoe. 659 00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:18,360 Whew! 660 00:34:23,235 --> 00:34:25,802 Oh, I know these two! 661 00:34:25,846 --> 00:34:29,154 Whassssssup? 662 00:34:29,415 --> 00:34:31,199 Yeah! 663 00:34:31,243 --> 00:34:33,158 Your friend seems awesome. 664 00:34:33,201 --> 00:34:34,550 I don't know who that is. 665 00:34:34,594 --> 00:34:36,683 I've never seen that guy in my entire life. 666 00:34:37,988 --> 00:34:40,208 We're actually not based here. 667 00:34:40,252 --> 00:34:43,211 Todd and I started a little company based out of New York. 668 00:34:43,255 --> 00:34:45,213 Hmm. 669 00:34:45,257 --> 00:34:46,954 It's like an online community, connecting people sort of thing. 670 00:34:46,997 --> 00:34:49,304 It's called TheGlobe.com. 671 00:34:51,698 --> 00:34:54,831 TheGlobe.com that just got a $20 million in investments? 672 00:34:54,875 --> 00:34:56,529 How did you know about that? 673 00:34:56,572 --> 00:34:59,358 There was a pretty prominent article in the New York Times. 674 00:34:59,401 --> 00:35:02,100 We were in the Times? I didn't know that. 675 00:35:02,143 --> 00:35:04,145 Todd, did you know that? 676 00:35:04,189 --> 00:35:05,625 Yeah, I'm not part of this. 677 00:35:05,668 --> 00:35:07,888 That's crazy. 678 00:35:07,931 --> 00:35:09,455 Well, it's certainly super cool that you flew all the way from New York to do 679 00:35:09,498 --> 00:35:12,153 a Silicon Valley victory lap. 680 00:35:13,633 --> 00:35:19,160 We didn't, no, okay, yeah, that's exactly what we're doing. 681 00:35:20,770 --> 00:35:23,121 Steph, check it out. 682 00:35:24,296 --> 00:35:27,429 Wow. Mike's in the VIP. 683 00:35:27,473 --> 00:35:29,779 Who are those guys with him? 684 00:35:29,823 --> 00:35:32,347 You should tell your dad to pick you up out front, because this is embarrassing. 685 00:35:32,391 --> 00:35:35,133 He's not my dad. 686 00:35:35,176 --> 00:35:37,309 Enjoy your victory lap. 687 00:35:37,352 --> 00:35:38,701 I think she's really into you. 688 00:35:38,745 --> 00:35:40,660 C'mon, let's go. 689 00:35:40,703 --> 00:35:44,054 Mike had a very clear view that the businesses that we were in that 690 00:35:44,098 --> 00:35:46,448 weren't TheGlobe that were mostly travel-related, 691 00:35:46,492 --> 00:35:50,322 that if he could combine those assets into TheGlobe, 692 00:35:51,018 --> 00:35:53,586 we could sell travel, we could sell hotels, 693 00:35:53,629 --> 00:35:55,979 that it would be very valuable. 694 00:35:56,023 --> 00:36:00,201 Once Mike invested in TheGlobe he would introduce us to a number of other companies 695 00:36:00,245 --> 00:36:03,552 that he was an investor in and IntelliTravel was one which was 696 00:36:03,596 --> 00:36:06,381 a travel network of 70,000 travel agents. 697 00:36:06,425 --> 00:36:09,254 So how's it work? 698 00:36:09,297 --> 00:36:11,604 People go online and they can book a flight? 699 00:36:11,647 --> 00:36:13,258 -Not online. 700 00:36:13,301 --> 00:36:14,955 -The site's online. 701 00:36:14,998 --> 00:36:16,826 -It advertises travel deals. 702 00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:18,393 -Then you call the travel agents. 703 00:36:18,437 --> 00:36:20,830 -Or email them. Some of them have email. 704 00:36:20,874 --> 00:36:23,093 Guys, here's the idea. 705 00:36:23,137 --> 00:36:25,922 The IntelliTravel agents could sell subscriptions to TheGlobe 706 00:36:25,966 --> 00:36:28,534 as part of their travel packages. 707 00:36:30,362 --> 00:36:32,668 -It's a Rolex. 708 00:36:34,322 --> 00:36:36,629 Takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'. 709 00:36:36,672 --> 00:36:39,327 -That's Timex. 710 00:36:42,112 --> 00:36:44,724 -Tequila shots, you hombres want Tequila? 711 00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:48,336 Sure, I could use a drink. Todd? 712 00:36:48,902 --> 00:36:51,078 Definitely. 713 00:36:51,121 --> 00:36:55,125 Mike Egan was still trying to find a way to take his traditional businesses 714 00:36:55,169 --> 00:36:59,173 that are getting disrupted by the Internet and again turn them into dot-coms, 715 00:37:00,087 --> 00:37:03,264 have them plug into TheGlobe, somehow. 716 00:37:03,308 --> 00:37:07,486 Imagine 70,000 people out there selling TheGlobe.com. 717 00:37:07,529 --> 00:37:09,618 70,000 travel agents. 718 00:37:09,662 --> 00:37:11,359 Travel agents are people. 719 00:37:11,403 --> 00:37:13,231 I don't mean any disrespect. 720 00:37:13,274 --> 00:37:16,321 It's just mixing in commerce and the travel industry at this point, 721 00:37:16,364 --> 00:37:18,236 it's just not what we've been building. 722 00:37:18,279 --> 00:37:20,368 Mike, people come to our site, they share their interests, 723 00:37:20,412 --> 00:37:22,240 they connect with people, that's what we do. 724 00:37:22,283 --> 00:37:23,328 Yes. 725 00:37:23,371 --> 00:37:24,764 That's what we built. 726 00:37:24,807 --> 00:37:27,288 Making a start-up sustainable is not easy. 727 00:37:27,332 --> 00:37:32,772 So it's obviously very important for the founder to keep his or her eye on the 728 00:37:32,815 --> 00:37:39,169 ball, on the big vision at all times but at the same time to surround themselves with 729 00:37:39,213 --> 00:37:44,871 leaders, even if it is one other leader who can tap into the Zeitgeist, 730 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,396 who can see where the world is going, is going to be key 731 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,269 to their long-term success of the product. 732 00:37:52,095 --> 00:37:57,013 And Mike came along and he seemed to be dazzled by my vision 733 00:37:57,057 --> 00:38:02,105 and my ability to communicate and it in turn dazzled me, 734 00:38:02,149 --> 00:38:05,413 so it was really hard for me to see that this guy, 735 00:38:05,457 --> 00:38:08,286 Mike Egan, who believed in me so much also had issues, 736 00:38:08,329 --> 00:38:12,681 and I could see it was also potentially going to become a problem for me, 737 00:38:12,725 --> 00:38:16,294 if I didn't perform or if I didn't agree with him. 738 00:38:16,598 --> 00:38:20,341 And it's not, you know, middle aged ladies with glasses around their necks asking 739 00:38:20,385 --> 00:38:24,127 people, do you want a side of TheGlobe.com with your Alaska cruise? 740 00:38:24,171 --> 00:38:26,347 Whether it's with IntelliTravel or some other opportunity, 741 00:38:26,391 --> 00:38:28,436 we gotta to find a path toward profitability. 742 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:29,785 And we can. 743 00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:32,397 We're on that path. It's a matter of... 744 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,400 Just sit down with them, and see if there's any room for cooperation. 745 00:38:35,443 --> 00:38:38,054 There's no obligation. 746 00:38:39,491 --> 00:38:42,232 Sure. Okay. 747 00:38:42,276 --> 00:38:43,364 You boys have fun tonight. 748 00:38:43,408 --> 00:38:46,193 We'll talk in the morning. 749 00:38:50,806 --> 00:38:56,421 "Truly I tell you, and everyone that has forsaken houses, or brethren, 750 00:38:56,464 --> 00:39:00,816 or sisters or father or mother or wife or children 751 00:39:00,860 --> 00:39:05,517 or lands for my namesake shall receive a hundredfold 752 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:10,739 and shall inherit everlasting life." Matthew 10, verse 29. 753 00:39:11,131 --> 00:39:16,049 Now, who's ready to become rich beyond their wildest dreams?! 754 00:39:16,484 --> 00:39:19,618 . 755 00:39:21,271 --> 00:39:25,101 It was obvious to anybody who paid the least bit attention that 756 00:39:25,145 --> 00:39:29,018 bandwidth was going to improve, compression was going to improve, 757 00:39:29,062 --> 00:39:32,718 and more and more video was coming to the net. 758 00:39:32,979 --> 00:39:35,982 How many people understand codecs and encoding and streaming? 759 00:39:36,939 --> 00:39:39,768 It's pretty simple to say, well, we're doing this and we're doing this and we're 760 00:39:39,812 --> 00:39:44,425 doing this and the technology portion of it's difficult enough for even 761 00:39:44,469 --> 00:39:47,210 skilled people to grasp. 762 00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:50,692 And that's exactly why Pixelon picked: streaming. 763 00:39:51,867 --> 00:39:54,783 Alright. Come on up, don't be scared. 764 00:39:54,827 --> 00:39:57,786 I don't want you digging in your wallets without sampling the merchandise. 765 00:39:58,439 --> 00:40:04,227 So Advanced Equities is a fledgling investment bank in Chicago. 766 00:40:04,967 --> 00:40:06,839 Now, a lot of people prefer Captain Kirk. 767 00:40:06,882 --> 00:40:09,972 But this Captain Pee-card, he's a pistol. 768 00:40:10,538 --> 00:40:15,674 They're looking at the success stories and the IPOs of all of these other dot-coms 769 00:40:15,717 --> 00:40:20,156 and they're thinking hey, if we can invest and get in on the ground floor of Pixelon, 770 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,681 this is the homerun we really need. 771 00:40:24,030 --> 00:40:27,642 Wow, you said it'd load fast, but that was really fast. 772 00:40:28,121 --> 00:40:29,470 Well, what do you know? 773 00:40:29,514 --> 00:40:31,777 Turns out I'm not a liar. 774 00:40:32,952 --> 00:40:37,347 The folks at Advanced Equities didn't have the capacity to evaluate what the 775 00:40:37,391 --> 00:40:41,743 software was and uh, as far as I know, 776 00:40:41,787 --> 00:40:47,619 that was the uh deepest they dove into whether 777 00:40:47,662 --> 00:40:51,666 or not the technology actually had any substance underneath it. 778 00:40:52,058 --> 00:40:53,929 That's amazing. 779 00:40:57,542 --> 00:41:00,632 Any investor, no matter what the product is, no matter what the service, 780 00:41:00,675 --> 00:41:03,722 know what the hell it is before you write a check. 781 00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:09,554 One of the things that investors always wanna do is they tend to wanna do massive 782 00:41:09,597 --> 00:41:14,907 amount of what's known as due diligence, let's figure out everything we can about these 783 00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:17,257 people that we're investing in. 784 00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:19,781 So, I'm sitting in my car, and it comes to me, 785 00:41:19,825 --> 00:41:22,610 like the angel Gabriel appearing before the Virgin Mary. 786 00:41:22,654 --> 00:41:26,048 The biggest acts in all of music, beamed into your home. 787 00:41:26,092 --> 00:41:27,702 Live. 788 00:41:27,746 --> 00:41:28,790 You can stop selling. 789 00:41:28,834 --> 00:41:30,618 We're in. We'll be in touch. 790 00:41:30,662 --> 00:41:32,751 Alright. Look forward to it. 791 00:41:32,794 --> 00:41:36,363 It's not clear that they ever did any kind of background check on him, 792 00:41:36,406 --> 00:41:39,627 find out if he has a criminal record, does he have lawsuits against him. 793 00:41:39,671 --> 00:41:42,891 They don't know really anything about his background. 794 00:41:42,935 --> 00:41:46,982 Somebody who doesn't have a social security card, doesn't have a driver's license, 795 00:41:47,026 --> 00:41:50,203 has been paid cash out of an expense account. 796 00:42:10,005 --> 00:42:12,878 I pled guilty to over 50 fraud-related charges 797 00:42:12,921 --> 00:42:15,750 and was sentenced to 36 years in prison. 798 00:42:19,841 --> 00:42:23,453 Advanced Equities was in such a hurry to close the deal that they failed to zero 799 00:42:23,497 --> 00:42:27,849 in on a couple of things that should have been, you know red flags for anybody. 800 00:42:28,502 --> 00:42:33,899 And one would be just the fact that this founder, Michael Fenne, didn't exist, 801 00:42:34,290 --> 00:42:35,944 there was no record of him anywhere. 802 00:42:35,988 --> 00:42:38,991 $2,000 suits. You all must be the lawyers. 803 00:42:40,993 --> 00:42:42,734 Lee? How are you? 804 00:42:42,777 --> 00:42:45,824 Come on in, guys. Sit wherever you'd like. 805 00:42:45,867 --> 00:42:48,914 Hi, how are you. Good to see ya. 806 00:42:54,833 --> 00:42:58,663 They agreed to a $28 million private placement. 807 00:42:59,011 --> 00:43:02,580 Accomplishing this was much easier than I ever dreamed. 808 00:43:02,623 --> 00:43:04,320 Moving onto fees. 809 00:43:04,364 --> 00:43:06,975 In the new life I have here, the one I wanted to 810 00:43:07,019 --> 00:43:09,891 so desperately share with you. 811 00:43:09,935 --> 00:43:12,938 Advanced Equities will receive 12% commission. 812 00:43:12,981 --> 00:43:15,027 Everyone loves me. 813 00:43:15,070 --> 00:43:17,029 Advanced Equities will have warrants to purchase 814 00:43:17,072 --> 00:43:19,292 a million shares of Pixelon stock. 815 00:43:19,335 --> 00:43:22,948 In my new business, everyone thinks I'm a genius. 816 00:43:26,038 --> 00:43:29,519 But it turns out the lack of due diligence goes both ways. 817 00:43:34,089 --> 00:43:36,135 So I'm sittin' in my car. 818 00:43:37,179 --> 00:43:38,659 We'll be in touch. 819 00:43:38,703 --> 00:43:41,096 Alright. Look forward to it. 820 00:43:41,619 --> 00:43:42,837 He's a character. 821 00:43:42,881 --> 00:43:44,404 No kidding. 822 00:43:44,447 --> 00:43:46,058 You think he has any idea the goldmine he's sitting on? 823 00:43:46,101 --> 00:43:47,886 No sir, I do not. 824 00:43:50,149 --> 00:43:53,108 Advanced Equities will receive a 12% commission. 825 00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:56,677 Why did Pixelon do a deal with Advanced Equities, where they had to pay 12% 826 00:43:56,721 --> 00:43:58,723 commission and give a million warrants? 827 00:43:58,766 --> 00:44:00,289 Because they had to. 828 00:44:00,333 --> 00:44:02,509 Advanced Equities will have warrants to purchase 829 00:44:02,552 --> 00:44:05,033 a million shares of Pixelon stock. 830 00:44:05,077 --> 00:44:09,168 Advanced Equities is a brand new investment bank that's out there, 831 00:44:09,211 --> 00:44:13,215 they don't even have the licenses that arguably are required, 832 00:44:13,259 --> 00:44:17,567 or at least are customary, for somebody that's gonna do a private placement. 833 00:44:18,220 --> 00:44:23,008 In retrospect it's clear that Pixelon was playing Advanced Equities and 834 00:44:23,051 --> 00:44:26,664 Advanced Equities was playing Pixelon. 835 00:44:26,707 --> 00:44:30,972 Why did Advance Equities give Pixelon 10 million-plus dollars? 836 00:44:31,016 --> 00:44:33,845 Because they wanted to do a pump and dump. 837 00:44:33,888 --> 00:44:38,110 They wanted to take Pixelon public and pump it and dump it on unsuspecting shareholders 838 00:44:38,153 --> 00:44:41,287 and buyers and make a lot more money. 839 00:44:41,940 --> 00:44:45,726 Out of the fiery furnace, God has given me a new life. 840 00:44:46,335 --> 00:44:49,338 A life I truly deserve. 841 00:44:49,382 --> 00:44:54,256 I still hurt so very much, but I am holding onto God's promise of a real love, 842 00:44:56,345 --> 00:45:02,003 and that is why the tears flow less and less each day, because God loves me. 843 00:45:15,974 --> 00:45:18,237 I'm not changing my tune on AOL, Marc. 844 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,109 It's just that the world looks a hell of a lot different than it did a few months back. 845 00:45:21,501 --> 00:45:24,504 AOL's big deal with Microsoft didn't miraculously lift their stock price out of 846 00:45:24,547 --> 00:45:27,246 the toilet, and now they're crawling back to us. 847 00:45:27,289 --> 00:45:29,074 Let them find another lifeline. 848 00:45:29,117 --> 00:45:30,858 Where's our lifeline? 849 00:45:30,902 --> 00:45:32,904 We're going to destroy Microsoft in the enterprise space. 850 00:45:32,947 --> 00:45:36,255 Yeah, we are, absolutely, but we can't just roll over and show 'em our 851 00:45:36,298 --> 00:45:38,039 privates in the browser war. 852 00:45:38,083 --> 00:45:40,215 We're still very comfortably ahead. 853 00:45:40,259 --> 00:45:42,435 We'd be a hell of a lot more comfortable with a little boost from AOL. 854 00:45:42,478 --> 00:45:43,958 They're still AOL. 855 00:45:44,002 --> 00:45:45,830 And their way of life is still dying. 856 00:45:45,873 --> 00:45:47,919 We don't need them. 857 00:45:47,962 --> 00:45:50,182 We don't. 858 00:45:51,531 --> 00:45:54,795 Programs can run successfully, repeatedly, without incident. 859 00:45:55,361 --> 00:45:57,189 Alright. 860 00:45:57,232 --> 00:45:59,017 So you think you're good. 861 00:45:59,060 --> 00:46:03,630 But at some point a fatal error will cause your program to crash. 862 00:46:32,354 --> 00:46:33,747 Captioned by Cotter Captioning Services. 71943

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