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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,479 --> 00:00:04,134 I'm just not 100% sold on going public. 2 00:00:04,178 --> 00:00:06,049 Even with Microsoft entering the arena, 3 00:00:06,093 --> 00:00:08,530 the IPO gives us room to expand, 4 00:00:08,573 --> 00:00:10,575 to stay ahead, not just keep up. 5 00:00:10,619 --> 00:00:12,708 Till we need more money, I can make some calls. 6 00:00:12,751 --> 00:00:14,971 We won't be able to keep it afloat with a few grand here and there. 7 00:00:15,015 --> 00:00:17,930 Netscape reached $5 million from a 30-minute meeting. 8 00:00:17,974 --> 00:00:19,497 We need venture capitalists. 9 00:00:19,541 --> 00:00:21,238 NASDAQ is pumping. Why don't we have a price? 10 00:00:21,282 --> 00:00:23,806 $71 a share. 11 00:00:23,849 --> 00:00:25,721 Another round of begging friends and family for money? 12 00:00:25,764 --> 00:00:27,766 -Did you guys see this yet? 13 00:00:27,810 --> 00:00:30,073 If anybody needed proof that the Internet is real, here you go. 14 00:00:30,117 --> 00:00:33,990 We are the top browser in the business, so congratulations. 15 00:00:34,034 --> 00:00:36,427 . 16 00:00:37,037 --> 00:00:38,603 It also makes us a target. 17 00:00:38,647 --> 00:00:40,649 I'm trying to get a round trip ticket to San Jose. 18 00:00:40,692 --> 00:00:43,391 Actually make that one-way. 19 00:00:46,133 --> 00:00:48,396 -Hey there, are you uh new to town? 20 00:00:48,439 --> 00:00:49,745 I sure am. 21 00:00:49,788 --> 00:00:52,226 I'm actually looking for some office space. 22 00:00:52,356 --> 00:00:54,837 When Netscape went public, investors couldn't get enough. 23 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,666 Huh. I'm Michael Fenne. 24 00:01:06,327 --> 00:01:09,808 The boom was a product of what we now call FOMO, 25 00:01:10,287 --> 00:01:12,507 you know the fear of missing out. 26 00:01:12,550 --> 00:01:15,771 Did we attract a lot more people who thought they could make money? 27 00:01:15,814 --> 00:01:19,470 So you had a very large number of people who didn't understand 28 00:01:19,514 --> 00:01:23,779 what these products were, they wanted to take it on the train even 29 00:01:23,822 --> 00:01:26,651 though they didn't know where the hell the train was going. 30 00:01:27,435 --> 00:01:31,439 Everybody thought they could get rich with a website, with a, new technology, 31 00:01:31,482 --> 00:01:33,832 with an advancement of the technology, you know, 32 00:01:33,876 --> 00:01:36,748 and people who weren't making money felt like they were left out. 33 00:01:36,792 --> 00:01:39,664 It was most definitely a gold rush. 34 00:01:39,708 --> 00:01:41,840 . 35 00:01:42,450 --> 00:01:48,499 The rush to become the next Yahoo or the next Amazon.com is exactly what 36 00:01:48,543 --> 00:01:54,244 made everybody look the other way, uh and allow Michael Fenne 37 00:01:54,288 --> 00:01:57,682 to pull the wool over people's eyes. 38 00:02:08,519 --> 00:02:11,305 I am doing Marcus Aurelius in the Easter drama here 39 00:02:11,348 --> 00:02:14,177 and I have to wear a Roman legion battle toga. 40 00:02:14,221 --> 00:02:16,092 It is so cool. 41 00:02:16,136 --> 00:02:19,051 I was trying to take a picture and show you the new me, 42 00:02:19,095 --> 00:02:23,882 but I am still afraid that names deleted may betray me and take it to the officials. 43 00:02:24,666 --> 00:02:27,103 I finally got my hair the way I intended. 44 00:02:27,147 --> 00:02:31,020 It took five treatments with salon coloring, but it looks absolutely good. 45 00:02:31,673 --> 00:02:34,980 Even if I could I would not go back to my original color, 46 00:02:35,024 --> 00:02:37,069 because this looks so cool. 47 00:02:37,113 --> 00:02:39,463 Almost blinding. 48 00:02:39,507 --> 00:02:43,685 When I get my face done, even name deleted may not recognize me when I see her this summer, 49 00:02:44,207 --> 00:02:46,557 but she'll know me, I know she will. 50 00:02:46,601 --> 00:02:51,562 I am getting brown now, very hot here, and am, yes, supplementing with a tanning 51 00:02:51,606 --> 00:02:54,870 bed for the Easter drama, since Romans were bronze. 52 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:10,929 What say you, Lucius Veras? 53 00:03:10,973 --> 00:03:14,455 -Marcus Aurelius, is it the truth you tell? 54 00:03:16,674 --> 00:03:20,852 Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. 55 00:03:21,592 --> 00:03:26,380 Everything we see is a perspective, not truth. 56 00:03:27,468 --> 00:03:30,906 -But sir, do you or do you not dissemble? 57 00:03:33,169 --> 00:03:37,129 Do you not see? It matters not. 58 00:03:40,176 --> 00:03:44,398 Our life is what our thoughts make it. 59 00:03:45,703 --> 00:03:47,923 -Marcus Aurelius, I beseech you. 60 00:03:47,966 --> 00:03:50,839 Defend the city of Rome and its citizens. 61 00:03:51,405 --> 00:03:54,930 Senators, we must speak of war provisions. 62 00:04:19,650 --> 00:04:21,913 The Silicon Valley money machine is still cranking. 63 00:04:22,392 --> 00:04:25,743 They are buying the $4 million, the $3 million homes. 64 00:04:26,309 --> 00:04:28,920 Welcome to the front lines of the technology revolution. 65 00:04:29,443 --> 00:04:32,315 These kids are 25 to 35. 66 00:04:32,359 --> 00:04:34,491 And they've all made it. 67 00:04:34,535 --> 00:04:36,667 There was The Valley before Netscape. 68 00:04:36,711 --> 00:04:38,669 And The Valley after Netscape. 69 00:04:38,713 --> 00:04:42,456 Things were changing like this, gradual, gradual, and then boom! 70 00:04:42,499 --> 00:04:45,328 Hockey stick, you were in a completely different place. 71 00:04:45,981 --> 00:04:47,983 They were raising fund after fund after fund. 72 00:04:48,026 --> 00:04:51,116 $400 million, $800 million to invest in this new thing called the Internet. 73 00:04:51,682 --> 00:04:54,163 Never had there been anything on the scale of what happened 74 00:04:54,206 --> 00:04:57,601 when the Internet hit and the dot com showed up. 75 00:04:58,254 --> 00:05:00,865 There was a proliferation of wealth and there were different 76 00:05:00,909 --> 00:05:03,433 kinds of people moving here. 77 00:05:03,477 --> 00:05:05,653 All the Harvard Business School started to come in when they 78 00:05:05,696 --> 00:05:07,916 would never come to Silicon Valley before this. 79 00:05:07,959 --> 00:05:09,613 It was much more of a scene. 80 00:05:09,657 --> 00:05:11,049 It became a scene. 81 00:05:11,093 --> 00:05:13,313 Once you came up with a, an idea. 82 00:05:13,356 --> 00:05:16,446 Well then it was just a question of getting people to believe in that idea 83 00:05:16,490 --> 00:05:18,970 and riches were possible. 84 00:05:19,101 --> 00:05:22,104 Netscape really changed everything, 85 00:05:22,147 --> 00:05:26,021 the beginning of what now has become much, much more common. 86 00:05:26,064 --> 00:05:30,155 To have an engineer, a geek, become a rock star. 87 00:05:31,113 --> 00:05:33,289 -This is absolutely the number one seller. 88 00:05:33,333 --> 00:05:35,117 -And how much does this one go for? 89 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,945 -They're approximately a quarter million dollars. 90 00:05:36,988 --> 00:05:38,599 -Wow. 91 00:05:40,383 --> 00:05:43,604 February was a great month at Ferrari of Los Gatos. 92 00:05:43,952 --> 00:05:46,520 The Nasdaq was soaring and its Silicon Valley customers 93 00:05:46,563 --> 00:05:48,913 rushed to convert stock market riches: 94 00:05:48,957 --> 00:05:52,526 into sinew, steel and fire engine red paint. 95 00:05:53,265 --> 00:05:56,356 -We sold 7 of these things in one Friday afternoon. 96 00:06:06,191 --> 00:06:09,456 D'Anne was just a warm, nice jovial person. 97 00:06:09,804 --> 00:06:12,937 So I think she made everyone feel at home and at ease 98 00:06:12,981 --> 00:06:15,592 and she was a little like a den mother. 99 00:06:15,636 --> 00:06:17,942 You always need someone like D'Anne. 100 00:06:17,986 --> 00:06:19,727 I was Jim Clark's secretary. 101 00:06:19,770 --> 00:06:22,077 When he started Netscape with Marc Andreessen, he said, 102 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,993 it's a risk with pretty much zero job security, 103 00:06:25,036 --> 00:06:27,735 but I can offer you stock options, and I was in. 104 00:06:28,126 --> 00:06:29,954 The boys called me "Netscape Mom." 105 00:06:29,998 --> 00:06:31,869 And, y'know, it worked out. 106 00:06:31,913 --> 00:06:36,744 I worked so hard to literally dress these guys and tie their ties but, 107 00:06:36,787 --> 00:06:40,791 after the IPO, suddenly I was rich! 108 00:06:41,923 --> 00:06:44,969 And overnight, "Netscape" was a name that everyone knew. 109 00:07:00,115 --> 00:07:01,246 Hi Marc. 110 00:07:01,290 --> 00:07:03,335 Hi, D'Anne. 111 00:07:06,861 --> 00:07:09,777 What changed in our culture or individually after the IPO, 112 00:07:09,820 --> 00:07:12,127 not as much as you would think. 113 00:07:12,170 --> 00:07:14,390 A lot of it was nose to the grindstone, 114 00:07:14,434 --> 00:07:17,785 "We've got a mission and a vision to change the world." 115 00:07:17,959 --> 00:07:19,961 I mean, some of us knew we'd made money, don't get me wrong. 116 00:07:20,004 --> 00:07:21,789 We weren't stupid. 117 00:07:21,832 --> 00:07:24,748 But we had a higher paradigm and vision of what we wanted to do. 118 00:07:24,792 --> 00:07:27,272 Yeah baby, blow the top off! 119 00:07:27,534 --> 00:07:29,666 It just keeps going up and you can see it happen! 120 00:07:29,710 --> 00:07:33,365 Hey, guys, know how we feel about celebrations of success. 121 00:07:33,844 --> 00:07:36,760 Let's just keep our eyes on the prize. 122 00:07:36,891 --> 00:07:38,632 Jim. Yeah? 123 00:07:38,675 --> 00:07:40,155 We already got the prize. 124 00:07:40,198 --> 00:07:41,983 And our stock just went up another 12%. 125 00:07:42,026 --> 00:07:44,246 I hear you, darling, I really do. 126 00:07:44,289 --> 00:07:46,466 I just want to make sure we're all focused on getting this company to the finish line 127 00:07:46,509 --> 00:07:49,730 so we can all keep all this imaginary stock option money. 128 00:07:49,773 --> 00:07:51,906 Because it ain't real till it's real. 129 00:07:51,949 --> 00:07:53,429 Fair, fair enough. 130 00:07:53,473 --> 00:07:54,604 Alright. 131 00:07:54,648 --> 00:07:56,432 And this is another Barksdale quote: 132 00:07:56,476 --> 00:07:59,261 "The main thing is to always keep the main thing the main thing." 133 00:07:59,304 --> 00:08:01,568 That's what Barksdale was trying to do when he said 134 00:08:01,611 --> 00:08:04,179 don't get too distracted about this IPO. 135 00:08:04,222 --> 00:08:06,181 Oh, and D'Anne. 136 00:08:06,224 --> 00:08:09,750 Some of these people weren't here before the IPO. 137 00:08:09,793 --> 00:08:13,405 I just wanna make sure they're excited to be here and they all feel like 138 00:08:13,449 --> 00:08:15,233 they're part of the team, so. 139 00:08:15,277 --> 00:08:16,539 Got it. You get it. 140 00:08:16,583 --> 00:08:21,413 Yeah. It went up again! 141 00:08:23,328 --> 00:08:25,287 Good morning, Sunshine! 142 00:08:25,330 --> 00:08:27,550 Okay Jim, whatta you want? 143 00:08:27,594 --> 00:08:31,119 Why does it mean I want something just cause I greet you in a friendly manner? 144 00:08:31,380 --> 00:08:32,729 Do I need to repeat the question? 145 00:08:32,773 --> 00:08:34,296 Okay, fine, I'll skip the niceties. 146 00:08:34,339 --> 00:08:36,080 We're taking the Microsoft meeting. 147 00:08:36,124 --> 00:08:37,255 Ok. 148 00:08:37,299 --> 00:08:38,953 I want to see their cards. 149 00:08:38,996 --> 00:08:40,389 I can tell you what's in their hand right now. 150 00:08:40,432 --> 00:08:42,478 Lay it on me. 151 00:08:42,522 --> 00:08:44,698 Gates will try to close us on some kind of strategic partnership. 152 00:08:44,741 --> 00:08:47,657 And then basically lock us up in their tower like Rapunzel. 153 00:08:47,701 --> 00:08:50,791 Or eliminate us entirely like a gnat. 154 00:08:50,834 --> 00:08:52,575 Nah, we're too big. 155 00:08:52,619 --> 00:08:54,142 Really? Well aren't we? 156 00:08:54,185 --> 00:08:56,057 Next to Microsoft? Market share. 157 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:59,800 True. But I doubt Bill Gates sees it that way. 158 00:08:59,843 --> 00:09:03,238 True. Great talk. 159 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,634 Always. 160 00:09:09,549 --> 00:09:12,247 Really nice space. Really nice. I like it. 161 00:09:12,682 --> 00:09:14,684 Thanks. Yeah, well, it works out. 162 00:09:14,728 --> 00:09:17,469 Yeah. Well, I can definitely help you out, 163 00:09:17,513 --> 00:09:19,646 bring your people into the 21st Century. 164 00:09:19,689 --> 00:09:22,170 I know the complete Office Suite very well. 165 00:09:22,213 --> 00:09:24,694 In fact, I'm friendly with the Microsoft team in Redmond, 166 00:09:24,738 --> 00:09:27,479 it really is a small community of innovators. 167 00:09:28,089 --> 00:09:30,134 Really? Well, that's very impressive. 168 00:09:30,178 --> 00:09:33,398 I'm still kinda getting up to speed. 169 00:09:33,616 --> 00:09:36,010 Thing is, I've got some pretty big things going on, so. 170 00:09:36,053 --> 00:09:37,533 Big things? 171 00:09:37,577 --> 00:09:39,230 Oh, the Internet is changing the game, Chuck. 172 00:09:39,274 --> 00:09:41,406 But you know better than anyone, 173 00:09:41,450 --> 00:09:44,148 anyone that doesn't get on board is gonna miss out in some very meaningful ways. 174 00:09:44,192 --> 00:09:46,934 Well, I'm hoping to get on board. 175 00:09:47,369 --> 00:09:51,634 I'm in the process of not only changing the game, but blowing the game to bits. 176 00:09:51,678 --> 00:09:55,159 Revolutionary stuff, consulting some pretty big players. 177 00:09:55,203 --> 00:09:56,944 That's exciting. 178 00:09:56,987 --> 00:10:00,077 Lord help me. Saudis, you name it. Yeah. 179 00:10:00,121 --> 00:10:02,166 Big money, big headache! 180 00:10:04,038 --> 00:10:06,083 I guess. 181 00:10:06,344 --> 00:10:08,564 Yeah. I can help you out during the day, okay, 182 00:10:08,608 --> 00:10:11,132 and then I'll just get most of my business done later or at night. 183 00:10:11,175 --> 00:10:12,742 Sound good? 184 00:10:12,786 --> 00:10:17,399 Terrific. Uh, the way we work it around here is you 185 00:10:17,442 --> 00:10:19,619 just give me a small deposit, 186 00:10:19,662 --> 00:10:22,796 I'll cut you a good deal on the space in exchange for some lessons. 187 00:10:23,361 --> 00:10:26,887 Or, how about this: let's just skip the deposit and lowered rate, 188 00:10:26,930 --> 00:10:29,237 and I just cut you in on my repair gig, 189 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,153 slide over some of that Saudi money? 5%? 190 00:10:34,764 --> 00:10:37,724 Oil money? Hell yeah, that could work! 191 00:10:37,767 --> 00:10:40,335 Alright. Alright. 192 00:10:44,905 --> 00:10:47,472 Jesus Christ, I am so tired. 193 00:10:50,562 --> 00:10:54,218 Allow me. 194 00:10:54,871 --> 00:10:58,309 That's okay, I'll get the next one! 195 00:10:58,875 --> 00:11:01,486 Like it's that easy for a brother to get a cab around this mother... 196 00:11:01,661 --> 00:11:07,275 Hi! Hi, hi. Hey there. Remember me? No? 197 00:11:08,145 --> 00:11:11,540 Well, that's okay, most people don't remember the stockbrokers. 198 00:11:11,583 --> 00:11:14,717 But me myself, yeah, I'm going be here for a while, so get used to me. 199 00:11:14,761 --> 00:11:17,241 The name's at the bottom. Check it. 200 00:11:17,938 --> 00:11:19,679 Name is not at the bottom. Uh. 201 00:11:19,722 --> 00:11:23,944 Has anybody seen my chyron? Has anybody seen my chyron? 202 00:11:24,771 --> 00:11:27,295 I apologize ma'am. You didn't deserve that. 203 00:11:28,905 --> 00:11:31,603 There it is, oh! It's Darrin, here we go, just. 204 00:11:31,647 --> 00:11:35,042 My name is Darrin. Sagittarius. 205 00:11:35,085 --> 00:11:39,263 My turn-ons, well check it out, I like let's see, long walks on the beach. 206 00:11:39,655 --> 00:11:41,135 I like private jets. 207 00:11:41,178 --> 00:11:44,094 Milton Friedman-style free market capitalism. 208 00:11:45,574 --> 00:11:47,010 I mean, look at them. 209 00:11:47,054 --> 00:11:49,360 Aren't they just adorable? 210 00:11:49,404 --> 00:11:52,799 You know, it's easy to look at them now and know they were on the right track, at least, 211 00:11:52,842 --> 00:11:55,062 at least that they were in the right zone. 212 00:11:55,105 --> 00:11:57,281 I mean, these dudes basically invented Facebook. 213 00:11:57,325 --> 00:11:59,588 And you can keep your pithy comment, Mark Zuckerberg; 214 00:11:59,631 --> 00:12:02,199 you got a lot on your plate right now. Shh. 215 00:12:02,243 --> 00:12:06,900 But what if we were talking not about "social networking," but I don't know, uh, 216 00:12:06,943 --> 00:12:11,339 bitcoin or self-driving cars or something that geeks are geeking about today, 217 00:12:11,382 --> 00:12:14,734 would you just know that it was right then? 218 00:12:14,951 --> 00:12:18,172 Gotcha, didn't I? Cue the taxi. 219 00:12:21,523 --> 00:12:24,526 Cue the sheer disappointment on my face when I realize, 220 00:12:24,569 --> 00:12:27,485 they ain't pickin' up brothers right now. 221 00:12:29,096 --> 00:12:31,011 Hard to get a taxi around here, you know. 222 00:12:31,054 --> 00:12:33,187 I should create an app for that. 223 00:12:33,230 --> 00:12:35,537 That'll never work. 224 00:12:39,497 --> 00:12:43,850 It's not much, but I'm gonna make it my home from this day forward, 225 00:12:44,415 --> 00:12:46,591 and you know what I'm gonna do? 226 00:12:46,635 --> 00:12:49,769 I'm gonna make J-Lo-sized buttloads of money right here in this bland little strip 227 00:12:49,812 --> 00:12:52,119 mall called Silicon Valley. 228 00:12:52,162 --> 00:12:53,598 That's what I'm gonna do. 229 00:12:56,166 --> 00:12:58,821 Oh, wow, do you smell that? 230 00:12:58,865 --> 00:13:02,129 That is the smell of billions and billions of dollars beginning 231 00:13:02,172 --> 00:13:03,957 to pour into the Valley. 232 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,220 Oh, yeah. 233 00:13:06,263 --> 00:13:08,788 Wall Street has finally got a new favorite child, one that seemed to skip the coltish 234 00:13:08,831 --> 00:13:12,704 adolescence with the headgear adnt he face acne, 235 00:13:12,748 --> 00:13:15,316 and turn into an overnight supermodel. 236 00:13:16,926 --> 00:13:18,841 Oh. 237 00:13:21,409 --> 00:13:24,064 Good luck, fellas! 238 00:13:27,067 --> 00:13:30,505 I think within the first month, there were always users in one of our chatrooms, 239 00:13:30,548 --> 00:13:33,638 let's launch the second chatroom and then a third chatroom and our user base 240 00:13:33,682 --> 00:13:37,599 went from a few hundred users the first month to a few thousand second month, 241 00:13:37,642 --> 00:13:41,342 to like 10, 15,000 the next month and it kept doubling up, month over month. 242 00:13:41,385 --> 00:13:45,912 The most frustrating thing for us, was knowing not only were we on to something 243 00:13:45,955 --> 00:13:48,566 revolutionary, but that we were exploding in growth 244 00:13:48,610 --> 00:13:51,482 and couldn't get enough money to help us support it. 245 00:13:52,179 --> 00:13:55,617 I don't know, man. I don't know anything anymore. 246 00:13:55,660 --> 00:13:58,881 Well, Todd, we better figure out how we're gonna fake it. 247 00:13:58,925 --> 00:14:00,752 We're broke. Again. 248 00:14:00,796 --> 00:14:02,798 I feel like we go broke every two weeks. 249 00:14:02,842 --> 00:14:04,452 Yeah, that sounds about right. 250 00:14:04,495 --> 00:14:05,888 I mean, what the hell. 251 00:14:05,932 --> 00:14:07,455 Bob Halperin is a really smart dude. 252 00:14:07,498 --> 00:14:09,239 Raychem was huge. 253 00:14:09,283 --> 00:14:10,762 But, he's used to putting his money into a product, 254 00:14:10,806 --> 00:14:12,939 something he could hold in his hand. 255 00:14:12,982 --> 00:14:15,115 This is not a tech guy, certainly not a guy who's gonna respond to a web-based, 256 00:14:15,158 --> 00:14:16,812 non-monetizing, non-product. 257 00:14:16,856 --> 00:14:18,945 Netscape. 258 00:14:18,988 --> 00:14:21,208 We're not selling Netscape. 259 00:14:21,251 --> 00:14:23,863 But Netscape is selling us. 260 00:14:25,081 --> 00:14:26,735 Okay, Obi-wan. Spit. 261 00:14:26,778 --> 00:14:29,129 All we have to say is "Netscape." 262 00:14:29,172 --> 00:14:31,609 That's all anybody's talking about in the Valley. 263 00:14:31,653 --> 00:14:33,916 Nobody gives a crap about anything else. 264 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,093 And what is Netscape? 265 00:14:37,137 --> 00:14:38,878 I dunno, rich? 266 00:14:38,921 --> 00:14:41,445 Yes. And web-based. 267 00:14:41,576 --> 00:14:43,578 I hear you, Steph, and yet all I hear when we go to pitch 268 00:14:43,621 --> 00:14:45,841 this idea is a giant sucking sound. 269 00:14:45,885 --> 00:14:48,452 All we need is somebody who's willing to roll the dice with us. 270 00:14:48,496 --> 00:14:50,802 Before we go bankrupt. 271 00:14:56,417 --> 00:14:59,028 Hey Todd. Yeah? 272 00:14:59,072 --> 00:15:01,901 Do we really have to sleep in your childhood bunk beds again? 273 00:15:03,815 --> 00:15:06,470 They're free. 274 00:15:11,432 --> 00:15:13,521 We were just getting better and better at recruiting. 275 00:15:13,564 --> 00:15:16,741 We became the place if you were a serious high-end software engineer 276 00:15:16,785 --> 00:15:18,395 to come and work. 277 00:15:18,439 --> 00:15:20,528 We were killing it. 278 00:15:20,571 --> 00:15:24,010 I will say, I've never worked any place in my life as competitive as Microsoft, 279 00:15:24,619 --> 00:15:27,274 like Microsoft liked competition. 280 00:15:28,666 --> 00:15:31,321 Microsoft is gonna compete with us? 281 00:15:31,365 --> 00:15:32,714 That's insane. 282 00:15:32,757 --> 00:15:34,542 They're like, they're a mountain. 283 00:15:34,585 --> 00:15:38,024 They focus on market share, like owning markets. 284 00:15:48,034 --> 00:15:53,169 We saw, you know, Microsoft doing probably everything they could come up with to erode 285 00:15:53,213 --> 00:15:56,346 our market share and we just didn't play like that. 286 00:15:57,521 --> 00:15:59,393 We didn't respect that. 287 00:15:59,436 --> 00:16:02,004 Netscape was about trying to bring the Internet to people. 288 00:16:02,048 --> 00:16:05,268 Microsoft was about market share, and they did it exceptionally well. 289 00:16:09,446 --> 00:16:11,622 Gentlemen. 290 00:16:16,540 --> 00:16:19,543 The browser war began as a news story. 291 00:16:19,587 --> 00:16:21,023 I don't know who coined the term. 292 00:16:21,067 --> 00:16:22,155 We didn't coin it. 293 00:16:22,198 --> 00:16:23,721 We're in a browser war, dude. 294 00:16:23,765 --> 00:16:25,332 What's that? 295 00:16:25,375 --> 00:16:28,378 You keep sittin' there, you're gonna find out. 296 00:16:28,944 --> 00:16:32,252 Ok, I get it. Cue yawn. 297 00:16:32,687 --> 00:16:36,821 So here is what I am going to do for you, I'm gonna liven things up a little bit, 298 00:16:36,865 --> 00:16:39,911 you know, you get the juices goin', I'm gonna bring in a couple of mob boys, 299 00:16:39,955 --> 00:16:43,959 some freestylers that I know, Checkmate and Concise, and they're gonna tell you exactly 300 00:16:44,003 --> 00:16:48,050 what the Browser Wars were in a classic mid-90s style rap battle. 301 00:16:49,051 --> 00:16:52,794 And for your listening pleasure, yours truly will provide the beat. 302 00:16:53,708 --> 00:16:58,626 . 303 00:17:53,463 --> 00:17:55,378 Oh my God! 304 00:17:59,904 --> 00:18:03,473 Uh, wanna talk about this crazy meeting with Netscape? 305 00:18:04,257 --> 00:18:07,999 We all remember our side of the story, let's just put it that way. 306 00:18:09,044 --> 00:18:11,351 I didn't like Microsoft. At all. 307 00:18:11,394 --> 00:18:13,918 I've been saying they're good guys and I respect them. 308 00:18:13,962 --> 00:18:16,660 Off-camera I would say something. 309 00:18:18,662 --> 00:18:22,101 Before we get too far down the road, I just want to be really clear 310 00:18:22,144 --> 00:18:25,626 that Microsoft essentially owns the Internet. 311 00:18:27,845 --> 00:18:29,978 If you wish to have a partnership with us, 312 00:18:30,021 --> 00:18:34,113 then you'll need to get on board with the idea that Netscape needs to cooperate, 313 00:18:35,331 --> 00:18:38,378 become a partner who essentially builds on our core services. 314 00:18:39,030 --> 00:18:41,946 So, either partner or compete. 315 00:18:42,164 --> 00:18:44,558 And I think we all know how that will go. 316 00:18:44,601 --> 00:18:47,169 How do you see that going? 317 00:18:49,345 --> 00:18:50,955 Competing? 318 00:18:50,999 --> 00:18:54,350 Yeah. Seriously? 319 00:18:56,047 --> 00:18:59,964 Yeah. Against Microsoft? 320 00:19:03,664 --> 00:19:05,318 We were the little guys. 321 00:19:05,361 --> 00:19:08,538 We were one-one-thousandth the size of Microsoft or something. 322 00:19:08,582 --> 00:19:12,847 They were coming after us, you know, pissed all of us off. 323 00:19:26,077 --> 00:19:28,689 The kind of meeting that they talked about is not the kind of meeting I was in 324 00:19:28,732 --> 00:19:32,214 and certainly not the meeting that my colleague actually remember happening. 325 00:19:32,736 --> 00:19:38,264 We were in the room with Jim Barksdale who is one of the legendary CEOs in the history 326 00:19:38,307 --> 00:19:40,309 of American commerce. 327 00:19:40,353 --> 00:19:42,746 You don't wanna, what's the ol' saying, spit on Superman's cape, 328 00:19:42,790 --> 00:19:44,966 or something like that? 329 00:19:45,009 --> 00:19:48,230 So, the accounting that we heard about that meeting of us going down there 330 00:19:48,274 --> 00:19:51,799 and making these threats to them has always cracked us up. 331 00:19:51,842 --> 00:19:55,542 We found out later that they had already retained this anti-trust counsel, 332 00:19:55,585 --> 00:19:59,154 that they had been trained on what kind of things to probe with us. 333 00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:03,680 They were on a mission to get some documentation uh to be able 334 00:20:03,724 --> 00:20:06,161 to file anti-trust claims against us. 335 00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:08,772 This was a 2-hour lunch meeting. 336 00:20:08,816 --> 00:20:13,212 My colleague and I, like, none of us were eating and uh, in the middle of the meeting a 337 00:20:13,255 --> 00:20:16,258 pizza shows up to the conference room that we're in. 338 00:20:16,302 --> 00:20:20,219 And it's not a pizza for us, it's a pizza for Marc. 339 00:20:21,655 --> 00:20:24,788 Okay, we're all sittin' around the table, hungry and Marc just opens up the box 340 00:20:24,832 --> 00:20:27,051 and starts eating in the middle of this meeting. 341 00:20:27,095 --> 00:20:31,534 It was clear Marc was not taking us seriously as peers or as an interested party. 342 00:20:31,839 --> 00:20:34,668 He was sort of looking at it as like a lark to meet with us. 343 00:20:34,711 --> 00:20:37,888 I think it was deliberate, like I think he's an incredibly calculating person, 344 00:20:37,932 --> 00:20:40,239 and incredibly socially cunning. 345 00:20:40,282 --> 00:20:42,458 He's an elite thinker. 346 00:20:42,502 --> 00:20:43,938 You know what? 347 00:20:43,981 --> 00:20:46,506 Sometimes a pizza is just a pizza. 348 00:20:47,594 --> 00:20:50,423 At one point in the meeting, they said, well, how about we do this? 349 00:20:50,466 --> 00:20:55,341 We'll take all the browser business that runs on Microsoft software 350 00:20:55,384 --> 00:20:56,907 and you all take the rest. 351 00:20:56,951 --> 00:20:59,867 And I said well that's pretty slim margin there, buddy. 352 00:20:59,910 --> 00:21:02,783 The primary desktop OS was Windows, 353 00:21:02,826 --> 00:21:06,482 so they controlled the platform that had the majority of our users. 354 00:21:06,830 --> 00:21:12,314 That's really when Microsoft officially declared their efforts against us. 355 00:21:16,579 --> 00:21:19,147 Did that really just happen? 356 00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:21,367 Did they just threaten us? 357 00:21:21,410 --> 00:21:23,325 I wrote it all down, because I knew it would be too surreal to fathom. 358 00:21:23,369 --> 00:21:26,023 But I didn't expect it to go quite like that. 359 00:21:26,067 --> 00:21:27,503 They want us to what? 360 00:21:27,547 --> 00:21:30,201 Take a little corner of the Internet and disappear? 361 00:21:30,245 --> 00:21:31,942 Yeah. Essentially. 362 00:21:31,986 --> 00:21:33,944 Maybe this is a good thing. 363 00:21:33,988 --> 00:21:35,772 In what way? 364 00:21:35,816 --> 00:21:38,384 Maybe they just broke the law. 365 00:21:42,866 --> 00:21:45,739 Damn these are good. 366 00:21:46,957 --> 00:21:49,482 Looking good! 367 00:21:51,397 --> 00:21:55,531 Michael Fenne? Huh? 368 00:21:55,836 --> 00:21:58,665 Hi, I'm Robert Dunning, nice to meet you. I'm a designer. 369 00:21:59,013 --> 00:22:01,232 Mhm. 370 00:22:01,276 --> 00:22:03,931 A friend of mine from the church said you might be a good person to talk to. 371 00:22:05,106 --> 00:22:08,022 Well, that depends on what we're talking about, ha! 372 00:22:09,632 --> 00:22:12,461 He said you might be interested in investing in or developing new 373 00:22:12,505 --> 00:22:15,072 Internet and computer technology. 374 00:22:15,116 --> 00:22:18,380 Well, I have a pretty broad grasp of various technologies. So. 375 00:22:18,424 --> 00:22:20,034 Yeah. 376 00:22:21,601 --> 00:22:26,214 Um, my pal Steve is a horse-racing fanatic and he asked me if I 377 00:22:26,257 --> 00:22:29,739 thought there was any way that using, y'know, current technology that I could play 378 00:22:29,783 --> 00:22:34,962 him some sort of feed from the track so that, y'know when they parade the horses around? 379 00:22:35,005 --> 00:22:37,094 Yeah. 380 00:22:37,138 --> 00:22:38,618 He's a real big believer in that that sort of thing is a big indicator 381 00:22:38,661 --> 00:22:41,490 of like, how the horse is gonna do in the race. 382 00:22:41,534 --> 00:22:43,144 Yeah. 383 00:22:43,187 --> 00:22:45,842 Anyway, because there wasn't quite that kind of thing, 384 00:22:45,886 --> 00:22:49,977 I began fooling around and. Can I show you this? 385 00:22:51,892 --> 00:22:54,198 Sure. 386 00:22:54,373 --> 00:22:59,378 Just a moment. Let's see here. There we go. 387 00:22:59,856 --> 00:23:02,381 I do have a 3 p.m. 388 00:23:02,424 --> 00:23:06,210 Yeah, just be one second. Ok. 389 00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:16,438 just loading. 390 00:23:16,482 --> 00:23:20,660 Great. Ok, so this is a really rough beta version. Log in. 391 00:23:30,757 --> 00:23:34,848 Wait. What am I seeing there? 392 00:23:34,891 --> 00:23:38,068 That's a download of the video feed. 393 00:23:39,635 --> 00:23:42,464 That is impressive. That's a really good picture. 394 00:23:42,508 --> 00:23:45,511 Cool, huh? I mean, I still have a lot more to figure out 395 00:23:45,554 --> 00:23:48,514 because it's not even a thing yet, but uh. 396 00:23:48,557 --> 00:23:51,734 Wait, so. Could you conceivably do this live? 397 00:23:51,778 --> 00:23:53,693 Like a live TV broadcast? 398 00:23:53,736 --> 00:23:55,303 Well, yeah, that's the idea, eventually. 399 00:23:55,346 --> 00:23:57,610 Or at least nearly live, if not simultaneous. 400 00:23:57,653 --> 00:24:02,049 In order to stream live video, you had to show it as a little post-it stamp size. 401 00:24:02,615 --> 00:24:08,447 You'd be watching literally, it'd be like that. 402 00:24:08,925 --> 00:24:10,579 It was tiny. 403 00:24:10,623 --> 00:24:14,061 But if you were able to do full-screen almost TV quality video, 404 00:24:14,104 --> 00:24:17,760 for a standard dial-up modem, that would've been somethin'! 405 00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:20,502 Yes, Robert, I think you may have the very beginnings 406 00:24:20,546 --> 00:24:22,417 of something quite promising. 407 00:24:22,461 --> 00:24:24,506 Alright, hey, look at it. 408 00:24:24,550 --> 00:24:26,552 See that? See it? 409 00:24:26,595 --> 00:24:30,033 Yee shall be as of the light of the mornin', when the sun rises. 410 00:24:30,773 --> 00:24:33,254 Yes! Look. I might be able to help you. 411 00:24:33,297 --> 00:24:34,995 Really? 412 00:24:35,038 --> 00:24:36,562 Yeah. I've been working a little in this arena myself. 413 00:24:36,605 --> 00:24:38,389 In what capacity? 414 00:24:38,433 --> 00:24:41,044 I'm a big picture kinda guy. 415 00:24:41,088 --> 00:24:44,178 I mean, I understand most of the nuts-and-bolts, but frankly, 416 00:24:44,221 --> 00:24:46,180 I get a little bored with 'em after a while. 417 00:24:46,223 --> 00:24:48,530 I hear you. It sure can be a grind. 418 00:24:48,574 --> 00:24:51,490 But I may be able to provide some seed money and my staff, 419 00:24:51,533 --> 00:24:55,015 if you're interested in a creative partnership. 420 00:24:55,929 --> 00:24:58,453 Wow. 421 00:25:00,237 --> 00:25:03,719 Because I look at you and I see something, something I recognize, 422 00:25:03,763 --> 00:25:07,506 a hunger or a desire to prove yourself. 423 00:25:09,812 --> 00:25:13,033 Haha. You got me. 424 00:25:18,691 --> 00:25:21,520 We have a wide range of competitors entering this space, 425 00:25:21,563 --> 00:25:23,826 competing with just one part of what we do. 426 00:25:23,870 --> 00:25:26,742 The Microsoft browser is basically what we did with Mosaic. 427 00:25:26,786 --> 00:25:29,702 And I'm glad to see they've caught up to what we did two years ago. 428 00:25:34,968 --> 00:25:37,013 That's good PR. 429 00:25:37,057 --> 00:25:40,539 Marc's cockiness was never something I particularly felt good about. 430 00:25:41,278 --> 00:25:44,934 And I think that article is one of those that just felt to me like waving 431 00:25:44,978 --> 00:25:47,633 a red flag in front of a bull. 432 00:25:47,676 --> 00:25:49,852 So you don't see them as a threat? 433 00:25:49,896 --> 00:25:51,854 "The Evil Empire?" 434 00:25:51,985 --> 00:25:53,900 I don't see it as a matter of good or evil. 435 00:25:53,943 --> 00:25:56,511 Microsoft is a competitor, and a smart one. 436 00:25:56,555 --> 00:25:58,861 And Jim and I just think it's important to point out what Microsoft 437 00:25:58,905 --> 00:26:00,950 is doing in various areas, 438 00:26:00,994 --> 00:26:03,997 since they are very good at using FUD to attempt to paralyze the market. 439 00:26:04,824 --> 00:26:06,521 FUD? 440 00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,828 Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. 441 00:26:14,224 --> 00:26:16,183 Marc's comments were never planned. 442 00:26:16,226 --> 00:26:19,360 That's stuff again I wish I could've controlled better. 443 00:26:19,403 --> 00:26:21,318 It wasn't a nice comment. 444 00:26:21,362 --> 00:26:23,407 And it irritated him. 445 00:26:23,451 --> 00:26:25,105 I don't think it was all that bad. 446 00:26:25,148 --> 00:26:28,064 Don't tease your competitor, 447 00:26:28,108 --> 00:26:33,592 particularly one as big and well-financed as Microsoft. 448 00:26:34,462 --> 00:26:36,856 We were a very proud culture and we were a very aggressive culture 449 00:26:36,899 --> 00:26:41,251 and they were uh, you know, rattling the cage as it were. 450 00:26:42,165 --> 00:26:46,996 Marc started to get a lot more strident and aggressive and ad-hominum in his attacks, 451 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:52,001 that it wasn't like we were wounded by them, we were sort of just like, whoa, ok, 452 00:26:52,045 --> 00:26:55,396 you know, batter up, let's go, uh. 453 00:26:55,831 --> 00:26:58,051 I will say we went a bit further than Marc did. 454 00:26:58,094 --> 00:27:02,098 We actually printed his quotes and put them on the wall inside of the building to make 455 00:27:02,142 --> 00:27:04,797 sure that everybody walking in the door knew what Marc was saying about us. 456 00:27:05,885 --> 00:27:10,193 They were gonna come after us anyway, they started in 1994, the battle was on, 457 00:27:10,629 --> 00:27:15,242 the war was gonna happen no matter what and we had to have, 458 00:27:15,285 --> 00:27:17,679 bring some levity to the situation. 459 00:27:17,723 --> 00:27:20,421 Without that you just feel crushed. 460 00:27:21,335 --> 00:27:23,685 They took it too serious. 461 00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:32,955 Here's the deal; the Internet is here to stay. 462 00:27:32,999 --> 00:27:35,349 And that's a good thing? 463 00:27:36,045 --> 00:27:39,179 Oh my dear friend, yes, that is a good thing. 464 00:27:39,222 --> 00:27:41,529 Y'all ever hear of Netscape? 465 00:27:41,572 --> 00:27:45,054 I've heard of it, but I have no idea what it does. 466 00:27:45,098 --> 00:27:48,231 Exactly! I would argue that even Netscape doesn't quite know what it does, 467 00:27:48,275 --> 00:27:50,320 so don't feel too badly about it. 468 00:27:50,364 --> 00:27:52,192 What is your name again? 469 00:27:52,235 --> 00:27:53,584 Sheila. 470 00:27:53,628 --> 00:27:55,717 Don't feel too badly about it, Sheila. 471 00:27:55,761 --> 00:27:58,198 They haven't come close to making a profit. 472 00:27:58,241 --> 00:28:01,897 They're valued today at over $3 billion. 473 00:28:01,941 --> 00:28:03,986 Hah! 474 00:28:04,030 --> 00:28:06,119 And, in my less-than-humble opinion, what I'm doing down here in your 475 00:28:06,162 --> 00:28:09,992 little city is gonna blow the tops right off of the Netscapes and AOLs of the world. 476 00:28:10,384 --> 00:28:12,865 San Juan Capistrano, it's kinda the perfect place, 477 00:28:12,908 --> 00:28:15,302 for him it's god an affluent population. 478 00:28:15,345 --> 00:28:21,395 Many of them had, you know, a spare $150,000 to invest and he starts 479 00:28:21,438 --> 00:28:26,095 to convince them that he's got some really good ideas, that he could make a lot of 480 00:28:26,139 --> 00:28:29,838 money from and you know, people who invest in him could make a lot of money too. 481 00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:32,754 What exactly are you doing in our little city? 482 00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:35,061 Well, I could tell ya, Larry. 483 00:28:35,104 --> 00:28:38,891 But then I'd have to kill you! 484 00:28:43,852 --> 00:28:46,202 No. 485 00:28:47,421 --> 00:28:52,295 But seriously, it's like the Wild West, and I just laid claim to a serious gold mine. 486 00:28:53,035 --> 00:28:55,037 So? You gonna let us get a piece? 487 00:28:55,081 --> 00:28:58,475 There may be a limited number of openings for discerning investors. 488 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,565 But this is cutting edge stuff. 489 00:29:01,609 --> 00:29:04,090 Very hard to explain in a prospectus. 490 00:29:04,133 --> 00:29:06,527 It's a leap of faith. 491 00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:09,443 You know that saying in the Bible, "Oh ye of little faith?" 492 00:29:09,486 --> 00:29:13,186 I mean, I know it, but I don't know it know it. 493 00:29:13,577 --> 00:29:16,755 When Jesus did his walking on the water thing, y'all remember that, don't ya? 494 00:29:16,885 --> 00:29:19,801 Matthew 14:28? 495 00:29:20,323 --> 00:29:24,023 So Jesus he's walking on the water, and Peter's right there by his side 496 00:29:24,066 --> 00:29:29,985 and then Peter says, "Lord, if it is you, command me to come unto You on the water." 497 00:29:30,681 --> 00:29:33,336 And Jesus said to Peter, he said, "Come." 498 00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:37,993 And lo and behold, when Peter turned his attention to Jesus, he walks on the water! 499 00:29:38,341 --> 00:29:39,647 Just like the Lord! 500 00:29:39,690 --> 00:29:41,562 And he's like, "Oh my God! What the...?" 501 00:29:41,605 --> 00:29:44,260 And the second he thinks about it, he falls in the water. 502 00:29:44,304 --> 00:29:49,831 And Jesus says, "Peter, Oh ye of little faith, why do you doubt?" 503 00:29:52,355 --> 00:29:55,968 It isn't that Peter didn't believe, it's that he didn't have the duration of faith. 504 00:29:56,751 --> 00:29:59,406 He was trying to hold onto two things at once. 505 00:29:59,449 --> 00:30:02,235 This is, and this can't be. 506 00:30:02,278 --> 00:30:05,412 And the weight of that sunk him. 507 00:30:07,414 --> 00:30:13,594 I've been Peter before, but right now I'm on this incredible ride, 508 00:30:14,769 --> 00:30:17,467 where I know that this "World Wide Web" stuff 509 00:30:17,511 --> 00:30:20,122 is exactly where the Lord wants me to be, 510 00:30:20,166 --> 00:30:23,386 and where I am going to be successful beyond my wildest dreams. 511 00:30:23,865 --> 00:30:26,737 One thought, one faith. 512 00:30:26,781 --> 00:30:29,871 Yes is yes. 513 00:30:31,699 --> 00:30:34,006 Well, I don't want to bring "filthy lucre" into the mix, 514 00:30:34,049 --> 00:30:37,748 but I would love to be part of your endeavor, Michael. 515 00:30:40,926 --> 00:30:44,364 Me too. To the Internet. 516 00:30:55,592 --> 00:30:59,118 San Jan is close enough to Los Angeles that they could get executives 517 00:30:59,161 --> 00:31:03,513 and artists, actors, musicians, other types of people, 518 00:31:03,557 --> 00:31:05,515 they could cut deals with. 519 00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:09,824 It was far enough away that it seemed to escape a lot of careful scrutiny. 520 00:31:20,704 --> 00:31:25,971 At the time you had this kind of jerky type of video stream that 521 00:31:26,014 --> 00:31:30,279 was so common in, you know, the mid-1990s. 522 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,764 Wait, this is incredible. Amazing. 523 00:31:36,807 --> 00:31:38,374 That's pretty great, isn't it? 524 00:31:38,418 --> 00:31:40,072 Robert, you're a genius, an actual genius. 525 00:31:40,115 --> 00:31:41,769 This is it. 526 00:31:41,812 --> 00:31:44,467 This is what I've been seeing in my visions, thank you. 527 00:31:44,511 --> 00:31:46,252 So explain it to me again, 528 00:31:46,295 --> 00:31:48,254 because I don't think I quite understand what you're talking about. 529 00:31:48,297 --> 00:31:50,473 Okay. 530 00:31:50,517 --> 00:31:53,041 Well, I took a bunch of existing technology and sorta Frankensteined it together. 531 00:31:53,085 --> 00:31:55,087 Frankensteined. 532 00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:58,220 Again, it's not my tech, but I did combine it in a new way, 533 00:31:58,264 --> 00:32:03,269 and now what I have is, well, I think it's what a lot of people have been trying 534 00:32:03,312 --> 00:32:05,445 to crack for a pretty long time. 535 00:32:05,488 --> 00:32:08,839 I'm able to compress and uncompress video to play back and with a bit of tweaking 536 00:32:08,883 --> 00:32:11,103 I think it'll be pretty good to broadcast live. 537 00:32:11,146 --> 00:32:14,845 Live. Hey, lookit. I got goosebumps. This is it! 538 00:32:14,889 --> 00:32:17,109 We are going to be very, very wealthy men. 539 00:32:17,152 --> 00:32:18,806 And very famous men. 540 00:32:18,849 --> 00:32:21,548 And very celebrated, and beloved men. 541 00:32:21,591 --> 00:32:24,594 Well, I don't really want all that, I just wanna pay off my mortgage, 542 00:32:24,638 --> 00:32:26,205 get braces on my daughter. 543 00:32:26,248 --> 00:32:27,728 You're gonna pay your mortgage off in cash. 544 00:32:27,771 --> 00:32:30,209 And you're gonna give your daughter solid gold braces. 545 00:32:30,513 --> 00:32:31,993 Again, not really. 546 00:32:32,037 --> 00:32:34,735 Hey! Solid gold. Ok. 547 00:32:36,911 --> 00:32:41,220 With live streaming, in order to make it fit into a small enough 548 00:32:41,263 --> 00:32:44,440 amount of bandwidth to put on a modem back then, 549 00:32:44,484 --> 00:32:47,400 you had to use a very powerful codec to compress it. 550 00:32:47,443 --> 00:32:51,795 You can use mpeg but more likely you were using software from companies called 551 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:54,450 Real Networks or Microsoft. 552 00:32:54,581 --> 00:32:58,715 Robert Dunning takes a bunch of off-the-shelf hardware and software components, 553 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:02,415 puts them together in a way that really um, 554 00:33:02,458 --> 00:33:04,852 produces some pretty stunning results. 555 00:33:04,895 --> 00:33:08,508 It looks pretty good and Digital Motion is founded. 556 00:33:14,427 --> 00:33:18,083 . 557 00:33:19,214 --> 00:33:22,043 Here you go, here you go. 558 00:33:22,087 --> 00:33:24,611 -Yeah! Alright. Cheers. 559 00:33:24,654 --> 00:33:26,613 So for sure one of the very first people we went to 560 00:33:26,656 --> 00:33:28,963 was a guy named Bob Halperin. 561 00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:34,577 I had met him through a common friend, and I called him up and I said, I'd love to meet. 562 00:33:34,621 --> 00:33:37,319 He had been one of the founders of RayCam, you know this chemical 563 00:33:37,363 --> 00:33:39,669 and physical engineering. 564 00:33:39,713 --> 00:33:44,196 Made a fortune, invested in Intel, made a fortune, joined this venture capital firm 565 00:33:44,239 --> 00:33:48,200 and it was basically this old guy whose job it was to go and look for investments. 566 00:33:48,722 --> 00:33:51,464 And that was my first discovery of what venture capital was. 567 00:33:52,813 --> 00:33:55,033 Netscape. Netscape. 568 00:33:55,076 --> 00:33:57,731 Uh huh? Okay, Netscape. What about em? 569 00:33:59,472 --> 00:34:04,085 Um. Well, I'm sure you've been following their IPO. 570 00:34:04,129 --> 00:34:05,739 Me and about the whole world. 571 00:34:05,782 --> 00:34:08,176 What about Netscape? 572 00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:16,097 We didn't understand at all was required, 573 00:34:16,141 --> 00:34:19,927 like, what was expected when you went to present, 574 00:34:19,970 --> 00:34:22,147 and in some ways that helped us, 575 00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:25,628 we didn't know the rules of the game at all, and so we sort of stumbled our way in. 576 00:34:26,673 --> 00:34:29,502 Well, like Netscape, um, we are web-based. 577 00:34:29,545 --> 00:34:32,113 And like Netscape, there's nothing quite like us. 578 00:34:32,157 --> 00:34:34,115 But we're better. 579 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:35,595 And we're gonna be bigger. 580 00:34:35,638 --> 00:34:37,249 Imagine that you are a bowler. 581 00:34:37,292 --> 00:34:38,641 Or a punk rocker. 582 00:34:38,685 --> 00:34:40,600 Or you know possibly a golfer. 583 00:34:40,643 --> 00:34:42,732 Or a pastry chef, or a new mom. 584 00:34:42,776 --> 00:34:44,865 Okay, I'm a new mom who bowls. 585 00:34:44,908 --> 00:34:46,606 Good. Congratulations. 586 00:34:46,649 --> 00:34:48,173 Thank you very much! 587 00:34:48,216 --> 00:34:50,479 Where do you meet other new moms who bowl? 588 00:34:50,523 --> 00:34:53,003 I don't know, the beauty parlor? 589 00:34:53,047 --> 00:34:55,528 Well, what are the odds you find that other new mom 590 00:34:55,571 --> 00:34:58,052 who also bowls a decent game? 591 00:34:58,183 --> 00:35:00,359 Bob, you need to join TheGlobe.com. 592 00:35:00,402 --> 00:35:02,448 Or a group to promote your business. 593 00:35:02,491 --> 00:35:04,537 Or a way to share plans with your family. Or photos. 594 00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:06,234 Or games you can play with your friends. 595 00:35:06,278 --> 00:35:08,149 It's an entire network. 596 00:35:08,193 --> 00:35:12,240 But instead of a business formal-type network, it's a social network. 597 00:35:13,459 --> 00:35:15,722 People will want to log on, I guarantee. 598 00:35:15,765 --> 00:35:18,028 It's very addictive. 599 00:35:18,072 --> 00:35:23,817 What most investors at the time didn't see was the Internet for what it was, 600 00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:28,517 a chat room and a chat experience, they could wrap their heads around a little bit, 601 00:35:28,865 --> 00:35:32,347 even though, you know, none of them chatted, and so if you couldn't get your mind 602 00:35:32,391 --> 00:35:35,263 around that whole thing and how you could live in the Internet, 603 00:35:35,307 --> 00:35:38,788 there was no point in trying to convince those investors. 604 00:35:39,311 --> 00:35:41,269 Ok, so what we have in front of you. 605 00:35:41,313 --> 00:35:43,663 Oh uh uh, these are our models for scaling and capitalization. 606 00:35:43,706 --> 00:35:46,579 Okay, okay, okay! I love the energy. 607 00:35:46,622 --> 00:35:49,190 I love the fact that you're both true believers. 608 00:35:49,234 --> 00:35:51,453 We are. Thank you. 609 00:35:51,497 --> 00:35:54,500 But for VCs to be interested, you're gonna have to scale at 5 to 10 times 610 00:35:54,543 --> 00:35:57,329 the growth rate you're showing here. 611 00:36:03,596 --> 00:36:06,338 Look, sir, this is a new world. 612 00:36:06,381 --> 00:36:09,428 This is day one of an entirely new world. 613 00:36:09,471 --> 00:36:11,778 I can see down the road and the Internet... 614 00:36:11,821 --> 00:36:14,172 You're not hearing me, son. 615 00:36:15,434 --> 00:36:18,306 Let a man say, "Yes," for the love of Pete. 616 00:36:21,266 --> 00:36:23,006 I'm in. 617 00:36:25,879 --> 00:36:28,273 How far do you think 100K is going to stretch? 618 00:36:28,316 --> 00:36:30,579 A month? Two? 619 00:36:30,623 --> 00:36:33,234 Can we just enjoy the moment before we go back to knocking on doors tomorrow? 620 00:36:33,278 --> 00:36:34,540 Please. Can we please do that? 621 00:36:34,583 --> 00:36:36,411 Yes. 622 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,677 Boys, count me in. Blew our minds away. 623 00:36:41,982 --> 00:36:44,898 He was extremely supportive and he was a businessman 624 00:36:44,941 --> 00:36:47,509 so I got tons of advice about how to run the company. 625 00:36:47,553 --> 00:36:51,426 So I'm sure Todd and I both got drunk uh on the flight back to New York. 626 00:36:55,909 --> 00:36:57,998 -You are the man, Dunning. 627 00:36:58,041 --> 00:37:01,480 Every company I've talked to is on fire about your tech. It's. 628 00:37:01,523 --> 00:37:03,395 Thanks. 629 00:37:05,092 --> 00:37:07,137 Michael, we're all good on the legal side? 630 00:37:07,181 --> 00:37:08,922 Registrations and such? 631 00:37:08,965 --> 00:37:11,316 Yeah. Whatever the "genius" says. 632 00:37:11,751 --> 00:37:13,840 That he is. 633 00:37:13,883 --> 00:37:16,930 Ok, alright. Watch this. Let's see. 634 00:37:22,065 --> 00:37:24,242 What, seriously? 635 00:37:24,285 --> 00:37:26,853 Yeah, just figured that one out yesterday. 636 00:37:26,896 --> 00:37:28,594 That's a new one. 637 00:37:28,637 --> 00:37:30,857 Bob wrote us our first $100,000 check 638 00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:32,946 and then he was gonna make introductions. 639 00:37:53,314 --> 00:37:57,275 We heard there was a motto at Netscape which the CEO hyped a term 640 00:37:57,318 --> 00:38:01,409 he coined called GBF, Get Big Fast, that's all that matters, GBF. 641 00:38:02,236 --> 00:38:06,066 If you can get big then it's harder for someone else to take you down. 642 00:38:18,818 --> 00:38:21,647 Luckily we were finding one in a 100, yes, here's 100 grand, 643 00:38:21,690 --> 00:38:25,172 here's 100 grand, and you know, this was allowing us to claw our way up, 644 00:38:25,215 --> 00:38:28,349 throw in more servers, get a bigger space, hire a few more people 645 00:38:28,393 --> 00:38:30,525 and it was this iterative process of hurrying up, hurrying up. 646 00:38:31,874 --> 00:38:35,356 Meanwhile our users were signing up like crazy, I mean, 647 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,794 we just couldn't add enough chat rooms to fit everybody in. 648 00:38:38,838 --> 00:38:42,711 We were growing by hundreds of percents every few months. 649 00:38:42,755 --> 00:38:46,411 And we were now on this mission to like relocate to New York City. 650 00:38:48,413 --> 00:38:51,677 And so within a few months I found an office space, it was just a completely 651 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:56,812 gross empty traditional New York loft space, but New York is New York. 652 00:38:56,856 --> 00:38:59,249 We're gonna go do it our way on the East Coast. 653 00:38:59,293 --> 00:39:01,339 That was our place, that's where we'd make our mark. 654 00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:09,999 High-quality Internet streaming had major, major potential to, you know, 655 00:39:10,043 --> 00:39:12,741 mint uh, you know, millionaires if not billionaires, 656 00:39:12,785 --> 00:39:15,004 you know largely overnight. 657 00:39:15,048 --> 00:39:20,096 Once Netscape went public and made all that crazy money and people wanted in. 658 00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:25,885 Every level of uh, truth and fantasy existing at the same time. 659 00:39:26,233 --> 00:39:31,107 There was legitimate money being raised, there was uh, you know, 660 00:39:31,151 --> 00:39:34,415 big clients that wanna get to the game and then there were the con artists. 661 00:39:37,244 --> 00:39:39,594 Whoo! 662 00:39:40,116 --> 00:39:43,163 Michael. What the hell is going on? 663 00:39:43,206 --> 00:39:45,557 You haven't answered a single call or been around in a week. 664 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,211 Yeah, well, I'm trying to deal with this bankruptcy stuff so that you 665 00:39:48,255 --> 00:39:50,388 and Chuck don't get arrested. 666 00:39:50,431 --> 00:39:53,086 Arrested? What? 667 00:39:53,129 --> 00:39:54,696 We're out of money, Robert, you get it? 668 00:39:54,740 --> 00:39:56,176 The deals aren't coming through fast enough. 669 00:39:56,219 --> 00:39:57,699 So we're done. 670 00:39:57,743 --> 00:39:59,222 I need to fold the company or, y'know, my ass is grass. 671 00:39:59,266 --> 00:40:00,746 But what about all the investments? 672 00:40:00,789 --> 00:40:02,095 Right now I just wanna make sure y'all are okay 673 00:40:02,138 --> 00:40:03,749 and don't get in trouble for all this debt. 674 00:40:03,792 --> 00:40:05,794 You're folding the company? 675 00:40:05,838 --> 00:40:08,144 Hey, don't thank me until I'm sure we're outta the woods. Alright? 676 00:40:08,188 --> 00:40:09,842 I'm certainly not thanking you. 677 00:40:09,885 --> 00:40:12,148 Michael, what about the technology I created? 678 00:40:12,192 --> 00:40:15,325 Whoa, wow. So, you paid to develop it? 679 00:40:15,369 --> 00:40:17,458 Well, obviously not. 680 00:40:17,502 --> 00:40:18,807 You lived in your car imagining how you were going to build this company? 681 00:40:18,851 --> 00:40:20,418 Because I could have sworn that was me. 682 00:40:20,461 --> 00:40:22,245 No, but I. 683 00:40:22,289 --> 00:40:24,030 "But-but-but." Robert, you know what, you need to grow up. 684 00:40:24,073 --> 00:40:26,336 I tried to help you, I tried to help Chuck, 685 00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:29,078 I tried to build this company around my special vision. 686 00:40:29,122 --> 00:40:30,558 What about the patents? 687 00:40:30,602 --> 00:40:32,908 Please tell me you got the patents? 688 00:40:32,952 --> 00:40:36,651 What? You think I had the time, the money and legal help to get the patents done? 689 00:40:37,696 --> 00:40:39,872 What do you think I'm some kind of billionaire octopus? 690 00:40:39,915 --> 00:40:41,439 What are you talking about? 691 00:40:41,482 --> 00:40:44,485 Hey, I am trying to keep you a free man. 692 00:40:44,529 --> 00:40:47,619 I'm trying to take care of you here. 693 00:40:47,662 --> 00:40:49,316 Do you get that? 694 00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:51,884 No, this makes absolutely no sense. 695 00:40:51,927 --> 00:40:53,973 I have no idea what you're talking about. 696 00:40:54,016 --> 00:40:55,496 This is complicated stuff, it's CEO stuff, it's above your pay grade. 697 00:40:55,540 --> 00:40:57,019 Michael, you can't just. 698 00:40:57,063 --> 00:40:59,021 I can't just what, Robert? 699 00:40:59,065 --> 00:41:00,501 You can't just close up shop without consulting your partners. 700 00:41:00,545 --> 00:41:02,547 Trust me. I am on this like white on rice. 701 00:41:02,590 --> 00:41:04,157 I got it covered. 702 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,638 And last time I checked you're an employee, not a partner. 703 00:41:07,116 --> 00:41:09,249 An employee who hasn't been paid. 704 00:41:09,292 --> 00:41:10,685 Beside I've got something of my own brewing as well, so I gotta get going. 705 00:41:10,729 --> 00:41:11,991 Michael! 706 00:41:12,034 --> 00:41:14,254 Hey, so I will be in touch. Alright? 707 00:41:16,822 --> 00:41:19,738 Hey! Hey! Keep the faith. 708 00:41:19,781 --> 00:41:21,783 Son of a bitch. Michael! 709 00:41:27,223 --> 00:41:29,443 Dammit! 710 00:41:35,318 --> 00:41:39,279 Hi, it's David. David Kim Stanley. 711 00:41:40,367 --> 00:41:42,456 I know, I know, just listen to me. 712 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:46,460 Hey, just listen, because this may be the last time you ever hear from me, ok? 713 00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:51,944 This guy who has been calling himself Michael Fenne is really somebody named 714 00:41:51,987 --> 00:41:55,600 David Kim Stanley who is a fugitive of the law. 715 00:41:56,470 --> 00:42:00,518 Hi. Michael Fenne. I'm Michael Fenne. 716 00:42:02,128 --> 00:42:03,999 I'm Mike Fenne, what a pleasure. 717 00:42:04,043 --> 00:42:05,914 David Kim Stanley. 718 00:42:05,958 --> 00:42:09,222 David Kim Stanley was the son and the grandson of preachers 719 00:42:09,265 --> 00:42:11,311 in Wise County, Virginia. 720 00:42:11,354 --> 00:42:17,578 At some point he began holding himself out as an investor who could 721 00:42:17,622 --> 00:42:20,581 help people in his town invest their money for 722 00:42:20,625 --> 00:42:23,628 retirement and according to court records, 723 00:42:23,671 --> 00:42:28,458 he received somewhere in the neighborhood of about $1.25 million 724 00:42:28,502 --> 00:42:32,158 and had trouble paying almost all of it off. 725 00:42:32,724 --> 00:42:36,379 He is sentenced to decades in jail. 726 00:42:37,467 --> 00:42:41,297 Name deleted says that warrant is only for failure to appear. 727 00:42:41,341 --> 00:42:43,735 They don't get the Feds in on a small-timer like me. 728 00:42:43,778 --> 00:42:47,608 So a few more months of caution, surgery, and daily intercessory prayer, 729 00:42:47,652 --> 00:42:49,915 and I will have completed my gauntlet. 730 00:42:49,958 --> 00:42:54,484 You could have been with me, we could have been together, free to come and visit and 731 00:42:54,528 --> 00:42:57,139 communicate by the time the baby is born. 732 00:42:57,183 --> 00:43:00,055 But you had no real love for me, no true faith in me. 733 00:43:00,099 --> 00:43:03,755 It has come off, so far, exactly like I said it would. 734 00:43:03,798 --> 00:43:08,324 It has always been, and always will be, a mistake to lose faith and underestimate me. 735 00:43:09,543 --> 00:43:13,242 God has blessed me with a unique ability to defy reality. 736 00:43:14,113 --> 00:43:16,811 And if I die tomorrow, that would still be true. 737 00:43:20,685 --> 00:43:24,253 We had about 12 to 15 employees working from Ithaca at that time, 738 00:43:24,297 --> 00:43:26,647 we had the talk with the rest of our team, and said guys, 739 00:43:26,691 --> 00:43:29,781 we need to go into a bigger pond now, who's coming with us? 740 00:43:32,348 --> 00:43:33,741 -Punch it! 741 00:43:33,785 --> 00:43:35,482 It's an Econoline van, Terry. This is it. 742 00:43:35,525 --> 00:43:36,918 -We're totally gonna crash. -We're not going to crash. 743 00:43:36,962 --> 00:43:38,093 . 744 00:43:38,137 --> 00:43:39,138 . 745 00:43:39,181 --> 00:43:40,269 -Dammit! 746 00:43:40,313 --> 00:43:41,967 Nice navigating, Terry. -Sorry! 747 00:43:42,010 --> 00:43:42,968 . 748 00:43:43,011 --> 00:43:44,056 -Get out of the way! 749 00:43:44,099 --> 00:43:46,754 . 750 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,851 -Let's go, let's go! Go, go, go, go! 751 00:43:57,852 --> 00:44:00,463 -Two, three, five. Plug them in. 752 00:44:01,203 --> 00:44:04,511 -Right here, right here. -Nope, nope, nope. Hold up. 753 00:44:07,166 --> 00:44:10,604 By the beginning of '97 we were fully relocated to New York City 754 00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:13,651 and the whole team could not have been more excited. 755 00:44:16,392 --> 00:44:17,524 -We're up! 756 00:44:17,567 --> 00:44:20,222 . 757 00:44:23,399 --> 00:44:29,710 . 758 00:44:38,110 --> 00:44:41,853 -Oh, . -What happened? 759 00:44:42,854 --> 00:44:45,726 -Ok, what the 's happened? 760 00:44:46,118 --> 00:44:48,294 Hundreds of analysts and reporters showed up and heard Microsoft 761 00:44:48,337 --> 00:44:51,906 chairman Bill Gates admit Internet competitors have outflanked his company. 762 00:44:52,515 --> 00:44:56,171 Until now the software giant Microsoft has surprisingly paid little 763 00:44:56,215 --> 00:44:57,912 attention to the Internet. 764 00:44:57,956 --> 00:45:00,349 That changed today. 765 00:45:00,393 --> 00:45:02,700 He said Microsoft will try to compete vigorously with Netscape in 766 00:45:02,743 --> 00:45:04,702 the Internet browser market. 767 00:45:04,745 --> 00:45:06,747 Well good morning. 768 00:45:14,363 --> 00:45:17,889 I was realizing this morning that December the 7th is kind of a famous day. 769 00:45:17,932 --> 00:45:20,369 54 years ago or something. 770 00:45:20,413 --> 00:45:23,982 And I was trying to think if there was any parallel to what was going on here. 771 00:45:24,939 --> 00:45:27,159 And I really couldn't come up with any. 772 00:45:27,202 --> 00:45:31,032 The only connection I could think of at all was that probably the most intelligent 773 00:45:31,076 --> 00:45:36,690 comment that was made wasn't made on Wall Street, or by any type of analyst; 774 00:45:37,735 --> 00:45:40,476 it was actually Admiral Yamamoto. 775 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:45,917 It actually Admiral Yamamoto who observed that he feared they had awakened 776 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,442 a sleeping giant. 777 00:45:50,835 --> 00:45:53,620 A sleeping giant. 778 00:45:54,752 --> 00:45:58,581 So that makes Netscape Imperial Japan? 779 00:45:58,843 --> 00:46:02,977 If it hadn't been for us you could argue that Microsoft would've waited 780 00:46:03,021 --> 00:46:06,546 another 2 or 3 years to get around to doing something with a browser. 781 00:46:06,589 --> 00:46:11,377 When we showed that it was an explosive market, Microsoft was very worried. 782 00:46:12,073 --> 00:46:15,598 Once the giant woke up or whatever, they wanted to own it. 783 00:46:15,642 --> 00:46:17,862 And they talked about it. 784 00:46:17,905 --> 00:46:21,953 We decided like we want to have the world's most successful web browser on 785 00:46:21,996 --> 00:46:24,216 December 7th, 1995. 786 00:46:24,259 --> 00:46:29,917 We want this to be the main way, the main on ramp for humanity for how 787 00:46:29,961 --> 00:46:34,922 they get on the web, our tool set, our APIs, uh, our developer infrastructure. 788 00:46:35,836 --> 00:46:39,318 In private, we were all very worried. 789 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,410 I have work to do. 790 00:46:44,453 --> 00:46:47,674 Work fast, Yamamoto. They're gunning for you. 791 00:46:54,855 --> 00:46:59,120 Fix my hand. Thanks, Johnny. Ahem. 792 00:46:59,729 --> 00:47:01,601 Can you hear me? Good? 793 00:47:01,644 --> 00:47:04,952 Yeah, 'kay. Well. Good morning. 794 00:47:06,171 --> 00:47:09,391 I was realizing this, I was realizing, bleh-bleh-bleh. 795 00:47:09,435 --> 00:47:10,784 We'll try that again. 796 00:47:10,828 --> 00:47:12,525 Well good morning. 797 00:47:12,568 --> 00:47:15,789 This eh, ahem. One more time. 798 00:47:20,533 --> 00:47:21,751 Captioned by Cotter Captioning Services. 67248

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