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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:26,227 --> 00:00:29,463 (WIND GUSTING) 2 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:07,561 NIKENYA HALL: Let's just take one more breath in, one more breath in. 3 00:02:10,331 --> 00:02:11,298 And one more breath out. 4 00:02:14,902 --> 00:02:16,303 Now, whenever you're ready. 5 00:02:17,204 --> 00:02:18,372 Open your eyes. 6 00:02:23,210 --> 00:02:24,178 What brings you here today? 7 00:02:27,581 --> 00:02:31,819 There's a case of a patient, of a girl. 8 00:02:31,819 --> 00:02:33,587 - She was 10 years old. - HALL: Mm. 9 00:02:35,723 --> 00:02:37,558 And I'm just wondering if there's... 10 00:02:38,692 --> 00:02:41,529 She's been in my mind 11 00:02:41,529 --> 00:02:44,431 for literally 20 years, 12 00:02:44,431 --> 00:02:47,268 - because I was 30 when I took care of her... - HALL: Mm-hmm. 13 00:02:47,268 --> 00:02:49,236 ...and I'm 50 now, so... 14 00:02:51,205 --> 00:02:52,706 It was the day before I turned 30, 15 00:02:52,706 --> 00:02:55,543 is when she came in. She was shot in the head. 16 00:02:55,543 --> 00:02:57,811 It was a drive-by shooting, and... 17 00:03:01,415 --> 00:03:06,220 It was the first time I saw, you know, a pediatric gunshot wound. 18 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,556 I was a young doctor. 19 00:03:08,556 --> 00:03:10,691 I was just starting. I think it was my second year or third year. 20 00:03:10,691 --> 00:03:11,892 It was very early in my career. 21 00:03:11,892 --> 00:03:13,527 - HALL: Fresh? Yeah. - Yes. 22 00:03:13,527 --> 00:03:15,663 And, you know, she was... 23 00:03:17,298 --> 00:03:18,799 She was dead on arrival. 24 00:03:18,799 --> 00:03:21,635 I mean, it was... When you get a shot in the head, it's... 25 00:03:21,635 --> 00:03:23,370 And, you know, I literally was holding 26 00:03:23,370 --> 00:03:24,772 her brain matter in my hands. 27 00:03:27,474 --> 00:03:29,209 You know, I had to go tell the parents 28 00:03:29,209 --> 00:03:32,580 that their 10-year-old was shot. 29 00:03:32,580 --> 00:03:34,782 She was actually coming out of church, holding her mother's hand 30 00:03:35,950 --> 00:03:37,585 when she was shot. And... 31 00:03:39,787 --> 00:03:44,858 And their response was complete and utter silence. 32 00:03:44,858 --> 00:03:46,827 There was no crying, there was no screaming, 33 00:03:46,827 --> 00:03:48,562 there was no chest pounding, nothing. 34 00:03:49,897 --> 00:03:50,864 And... 35 00:03:53,567 --> 00:03:55,269 You know, everybody in the emergency department, 36 00:03:55,269 --> 00:03:57,905 after it was all said and done, 37 00:03:57,905 --> 00:03:58,973 they didn't say anything to each other. 38 00:04:00,608 --> 00:04:04,244 We didn't... You know, my attending 39 00:04:04,244 --> 00:04:05,646 didn't say, you know, "Are you okay? 40 00:04:05,646 --> 00:04:06,680 "It was really emotionally challen... 41 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,716 - "You know, hard case." - HALL: Yeah. 42 00:04:08,716 --> 00:04:11,518 - No nurse, no... Nobody. - HALL: Yeah. 43 00:04:11,518 --> 00:04:14,622 And so I went out into the ambulance bay, and I just 44 00:04:16,924 --> 00:04:17,858 cried 45 00:04:18,892 --> 00:04:21,362 for, like, probably a minute. 46 00:04:22,896 --> 00:04:24,865 And then I was like, "Oh, my gosh, I've got to go back 47 00:04:24,865 --> 00:04:25,966 "and see the next patient." 48 00:04:27,601 --> 00:04:29,870 And so that has always been in my brain. 49 00:04:29,870 --> 00:04:31,872 It's like... That is something that, in medicine, 50 00:04:31,872 --> 00:04:34,642 we just don't do well, 51 00:04:34,642 --> 00:04:36,877 or at all, which is teach 52 00:04:37,678 --> 00:04:41,482 our younger doctors 53 00:04:41,482 --> 00:04:43,450 - how to see that, handle it... - HALL: Yeah. 54 00:04:43,450 --> 00:04:45,753 ...experience it, let it flow through you. 55 00:04:45,753 --> 00:04:48,756 Instead, I buried it. 56 00:04:48,756 --> 00:04:52,593 You know, I shut it down because I had to see the next patient. 57 00:04:54,061 --> 00:04:55,396 So, um... 58 00:04:58,032 --> 00:05:00,567 I guess, my question is, 59 00:05:03,771 --> 00:05:04,705 how is she? 60 00:05:11,679 --> 00:05:15,816 I feel like I'm at a crossroads in my career. 61 00:05:18,318 --> 00:05:19,553 I think, post-pandemic... 62 00:05:21,055 --> 00:05:23,590 You know, I'm a mom, 63 00:05:23,590 --> 00:05:26,460 so I've really put that on the back burner. 64 00:05:26,460 --> 00:05:29,396 And I feel like the time is ripe for some kind of change, 65 00:05:29,396 --> 00:05:30,631 but I'm not sure... 66 00:05:31,932 --> 00:05:33,367 There are many paths, 67 00:05:33,367 --> 00:05:36,336 and I'm not sure which one I should be taking. 68 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:39,106 I don't think there's something that large that's troubling me. 69 00:05:39,106 --> 00:05:43,477 I think just existential pressure is troubling. (CHUCKLES) 70 00:05:44,511 --> 00:05:46,613 (HUMMING) 71 00:05:47,648 --> 00:05:49,516 ♪ Financially 72 00:05:49,516 --> 00:05:52,052 - ♪ What would be good for me? ♪ - (EUGENE GRYGO LAUGHING) 73 00:05:55,489 --> 00:05:58,625 What will I regret on my deathbed? 74 00:05:58,625 --> 00:06:02,129 I just want to know if she can see if I am going to have hens. 75 00:06:02,129 --> 00:06:05,466 - PHOEBE HOFFMAN: If you're gonna have what? - Hens, chickens. 76 00:06:05,466 --> 00:06:06,967 As climate change takes hold, 77 00:06:06,967 --> 00:06:08,602 the world is gonna change in such a way 78 00:06:08,602 --> 00:06:10,604 that I'm gonna need to be prepared to adapt, 79 00:06:10,604 --> 00:06:13,040 and I'm not really sure what my future looks like 80 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,043 ten years out, you know, because of that. 81 00:06:16,043 --> 00:06:18,645 Could you answer, like, any questions 82 00:06:18,645 --> 00:06:20,914 that relate to the past at all? 83 00:06:20,914 --> 00:06:21,949 Because I know, like, clairvoyants... 84 00:06:21,949 --> 00:06:23,050 PER ERIK BORJA: I'll try my best. 85 00:06:23,050 --> 00:06:24,685 ...like, mostly focus on the future. 86 00:06:24,685 --> 00:06:26,386 Is that correct? 87 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:28,922 - BORJA: Uh, both. Past, present and future, yeah. -Oh, okay. 88 00:06:28,922 --> 00:06:31,425 Um, I kind of just want to know 89 00:06:31,425 --> 00:06:32,793 what my birth parents are like 90 00:06:32,793 --> 00:06:35,696 and the circumstances that led to my adoption. 91 00:06:35,696 --> 00:06:38,766 - BORJA: Okay. - I think the timeline of my adoption 92 00:06:38,766 --> 00:06:42,503 - matches up with the one-child policy. - BORJA: Mm-hmm. 93 00:06:42,503 --> 00:06:44,538 Because I was born in 2001. 94 00:06:44,538 --> 00:06:46,840 - So, yeah, if you could clarify that for me. - BORJA: Okay. 95 00:06:48,709 --> 00:06:50,144 All right. 96 00:06:50,144 --> 00:06:53,981 So, one thing I forgot to ask you in the beginning is, 97 00:06:54,681 --> 00:06:56,784 for clairvoyant readings, 98 00:06:56,784 --> 00:07:00,521 I always ask the client, like, even if it's... 99 00:07:01,421 --> 00:07:03,590 Even if what I see is not positive... 100 00:07:03,590 --> 00:07:06,059 - Mm-hmm. - ...and sometimes it can be hurtful, 101 00:07:06,059 --> 00:07:08,629 do you still want to hear it? 102 00:07:09,630 --> 00:07:11,465 - Yeah, I think so. - Okay. 103 00:07:14,468 --> 00:07:15,435 (SIGHS) 104 00:07:31,718 --> 00:07:32,653 Mm. 105 00:07:35,789 --> 00:07:37,558 Mm. 106 00:07:37,558 --> 00:07:41,762 There's something about shrimp 107 00:07:41,762 --> 00:07:43,564 (LAUGHING) that Spirit is showing me. 108 00:07:43,564 --> 00:07:45,165 Yeah. Shrimp's my favorite thing... 109 00:07:45,165 --> 00:07:46,900 - Okay. - ...in, like, the world. 110 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:48,669 (LAUGHING) Okay. 111 00:07:48,669 --> 00:07:51,672 Growing up, shrimp was my number one thing. 112 00:07:51,672 --> 00:07:54,141 Like, I even... One year, I made a bet with someone 113 00:07:54,141 --> 00:07:56,543 where I ate shrimp 365 days. 114 00:07:56,543 --> 00:07:57,845 Oh, my God. 115 00:07:57,845 --> 00:07:59,947 - Are you serious? (LAUGHS) - Yeah. 116 00:07:59,947 --> 00:08:02,950 I had to find new ways to cook it and eat it, and everything. 117 00:08:02,950 --> 00:08:04,484 (BOTH LAUGH) 118 00:08:04,484 --> 00:08:07,187 That is incredible. Um... 119 00:08:10,958 --> 00:08:12,759 Hmm. 120 00:08:12,759 --> 00:08:15,863 Is there something important in April for you or the family? 121 00:08:16,830 --> 00:08:19,099 For me, personally, April is my father. 122 00:08:19,099 --> 00:08:22,803 - Oh, okay. - And that's my main question, 123 00:08:22,803 --> 00:08:24,771 - is if he's there in spirit... - Yeah. 124 00:08:24,771 --> 00:08:26,673 ...or has any message 125 00:08:26,673 --> 00:08:28,141 - he would like to share with me. - Okay. 126 00:08:28,141 --> 00:08:29,109 Let's see 127 00:08:30,210 --> 00:08:31,612 what he comes through with. 128 00:08:39,653 --> 00:08:41,722 He keeps showing a tutu 129 00:08:41,722 --> 00:08:43,523 - for some reason. - A tutu? 130 00:08:43,523 --> 00:08:45,959 - A tutu. Does anyone do ballet... - (LAUGHS) 131 00:08:45,959 --> 00:08:47,594 ...or dress as a ballet dancer? 132 00:08:47,594 --> 00:08:49,830 That's my daughter's favorite book. 133 00:08:49,830 --> 00:08:51,198 - Oh. - We read it to her... 134 00:08:51,198 --> 00:08:53,600 - It's called Tutu? - Yeah, I Love My Tutu. 135 00:08:54,534 --> 00:08:55,736 I Love My Tutu Too! 136 00:08:55,736 --> 00:08:58,105 "Two tutus, three tutus. We need more tutus. 137 00:08:58,105 --> 00:09:00,607 - "The tutu dance." It's like... - (LAUGHS) 138 00:09:00,607 --> 00:09:02,075 - ...tutu too many times at night... - Oh, my gosh. 139 00:09:02,075 --> 00:09:03,143 - ...every night. - Isn't that funny? 140 00:09:03,143 --> 00:09:04,244 - Okay. - Okay. 141 00:09:04,244 --> 00:09:06,280 Just please know that's his way of, again, 142 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,949 validating his presence around her. 143 00:09:08,949 --> 00:09:10,017 Okay. 144 00:09:10,017 --> 00:09:12,819 And seeing you nurture this child 145 00:09:12,819 --> 00:09:14,121 makes him really happy. 146 00:09:14,121 --> 00:09:15,122 - Okay. - Okay? 147 00:09:18,191 --> 00:09:19,326 Would you have any siblings? 148 00:09:19,893 --> 00:09:20,861 I used to have. 149 00:09:21,862 --> 00:09:22,829 Okay. 150 00:09:26,066 --> 00:09:30,237 Let me see if we can pass the baton to your brother. 151 00:09:30,237 --> 00:09:31,672 - Okay. - Um... 152 00:09:34,775 --> 00:09:35,742 Hmm. 153 00:09:39,012 --> 00:09:43,583 Now, I feel like I'm looking at someone younger. 154 00:09:43,583 --> 00:09:46,219 - Um, were you quite young... - Yeah. 155 00:09:46,219 --> 00:09:47,654 - ...when he passed? - Yeah. 156 00:09:47,654 --> 00:09:49,723 - Okay. - Very young. 157 00:09:49,723 --> 00:09:51,024 But he would have been older than you? 158 00:09:51,024 --> 00:09:52,659 - Yes. - Okay. 159 00:09:52,659 --> 00:09:54,928 And the passing would have been quite sudden? 160 00:09:54,928 --> 00:09:55,896 - Yes. - Okay. 161 00:09:59,266 --> 00:10:02,869 And would you understand that would have been also a violent passing? 162 00:10:03,670 --> 00:10:04,604 - Yes. - Okay. 163 00:10:07,174 --> 00:10:10,210 I feel, for him, he just... 164 00:10:11,345 --> 00:10:12,846 There's a quickness to it 165 00:10:12,846 --> 00:10:13,914 that I think feels important. 166 00:10:13,914 --> 00:10:15,315 That there was not a lot of suffering. 167 00:10:17,217 --> 00:10:18,352 - Okay. - Does that make sense to you? 168 00:10:21,154 --> 00:10:22,155 (CRYING) 169 00:10:23,090 --> 00:10:25,058 I think he just makes it... 170 00:10:25,058 --> 00:10:26,626 He makes me feel like it's important 171 00:10:26,626 --> 00:10:28,762 for you to know that it felt quick. 172 00:10:37,371 --> 00:10:38,338 Just take your time. 173 00:10:51,651 --> 00:10:52,919 - Thank you. - Yeah. 174 00:10:59,126 --> 00:11:01,128 HALL: And take your time, and whenever you are ready, 175 00:11:02,062 --> 00:11:04,331 go ahead and open your eyes. 176 00:11:07,167 --> 00:11:09,136 - Mm. - (SIGHS) Hmm. 177 00:11:09,136 --> 00:11:10,670 Okay. Okay. 178 00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:13,740 What... Hmm-hmm. Grandma's here. 179 00:11:16,076 --> 00:11:17,244 That doesn't surprise me. 180 00:11:17,244 --> 00:11:19,346 Okay, because she's like, "Party," 181 00:11:19,346 --> 00:11:20,781 and pulling up a chair. 182 00:11:20,781 --> 00:11:22,849 She's like, "Okay, so let's have a discussion." 183 00:11:22,849 --> 00:11:24,851 - (LAUGHS) - She's like, "Let's chat. 184 00:11:24,851 --> 00:11:26,286 "Thank you for inviting me." So she's here. 185 00:11:27,854 --> 00:11:30,791 - And we'll get to her. - Mm-hmm. 186 00:11:30,791 --> 00:11:33,126 What questions do you have today? 187 00:11:33,126 --> 00:11:34,928 What shall we call on the spirit and talk about? 188 00:11:34,928 --> 00:11:37,964 (SIGHS) Ooh. Um, eee... 189 00:11:37,964 --> 00:11:41,835 Out of all the things, the biggest concern 190 00:11:41,835 --> 00:11:45,205 that I have is the relationship 191 00:11:45,205 --> 00:11:46,807 between my mother and I. 192 00:11:47,741 --> 00:11:50,377 And then just my future with my husband. 193 00:11:50,377 --> 00:11:53,413 - That's, like, the main question. - Yeah. 194 00:11:53,413 --> 00:11:56,049 'Cause Grandma wanted to talk about husband. 195 00:11:56,049 --> 00:11:58,752 Mm. (LAUGHS) 196 00:11:58,752 --> 00:12:00,787 And a lot of words she wants to say about that. 197 00:12:02,389 --> 00:12:03,790 She wants the world for you. 198 00:12:04,191 --> 00:12:05,158 Mm. 199 00:12:06,460 --> 00:12:08,728 And why him? 200 00:12:08,728 --> 00:12:10,197 She's being very clear about that. 201 00:12:11,898 --> 00:12:12,833 And you knew this. 202 00:12:18,105 --> 00:12:21,074 Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 203 00:12:29,983 --> 00:12:31,318 - You and Mom. - Mm. 204 00:12:31,985 --> 00:12:32,953 Yeah. 205 00:12:33,854 --> 00:12:34,788 Um... 206 00:12:44,531 --> 00:12:46,500 You'll arrive at the place of, 207 00:12:48,135 --> 00:12:49,136 "This is just my mom." 208 00:12:50,837 --> 00:12:53,974 And sometimes, everyone don't get it right, that title. 209 00:12:59,146 --> 00:13:00,914 Yeah. 210 00:13:00,914 --> 00:13:03,483 Yeah, yeah. Sometimes... Sometimes, they just don't get it right. 211 00:13:06,219 --> 00:13:08,522 It's not that she's not trying. 212 00:13:08,522 --> 00:13:10,991 She can't get it right. She can't get it right. 213 00:13:12,025 --> 00:13:14,528 And it is no reflection of you. 214 00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:18,365 She gotta work it out. 215 00:13:20,267 --> 00:13:21,201 You 216 00:13:22,502 --> 00:13:24,104 can't carry that no more, though. 217 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:27,007 You can't carry it. 218 00:13:32,546 --> 00:13:33,513 (WOMAN MURMURS) 219 00:13:36,216 --> 00:13:37,317 (WOMAN BREATHES DEEPLY) 220 00:13:40,387 --> 00:13:42,822 Okay, so I'm really feeling compelled 221 00:13:42,822 --> 00:13:44,157 to bring in your animal. 222 00:13:44,157 --> 00:13:47,594 So, what I need to know is the name, 223 00:13:47,594 --> 00:13:50,130 the gender, the type of animal, 224 00:13:50,130 --> 00:13:51,932 and if they're alive or passed away. 225 00:13:54,234 --> 00:13:56,369 - Her name was Dottie. - D-O-T-T-I-E? 226 00:13:56,369 --> 00:13:57,337 - Yes. - Okay. 227 00:13:58,605 --> 00:14:01,241 And she's a girl, she's a dog, 228 00:14:01,241 --> 00:14:05,111 and she's a Boston Terrier. She's smart. 229 00:14:05,845 --> 00:14:07,380 Is she alive or passed away? 230 00:14:07,380 --> 00:14:10,850 - She's very much alive. - Dottie. 231 00:14:10,850 --> 00:14:13,086 What do you want to ask Dottie? 232 00:14:13,086 --> 00:14:15,088 She's an A-plus girl. 233 00:14:15,088 --> 00:14:18,325 She's terrific, but... 234 00:14:18,325 --> 00:14:20,527 I mean, she's outgoing, she's gregarious. 235 00:14:22,128 --> 00:14:24,130 She hooks me into the world, you know. 236 00:14:24,130 --> 00:14:28,101 She loves everybody all the time. 237 00:14:28,101 --> 00:14:29,035 She's exuberant. 238 00:14:30,503 --> 00:14:32,405 But she hates to walk on a leash. 239 00:14:35,008 --> 00:14:37,077 All I want her to do 240 00:14:37,077 --> 00:14:40,247 is walk on a loose leash. 241 00:14:40,247 --> 00:14:42,082 It sounds ridiculous. 242 00:14:42,082 --> 00:14:44,451 I'm so grateful, though, tell you about it, because it's... 243 00:14:45,585 --> 00:14:48,321 It's a bruising. 244 00:14:48,321 --> 00:14:52,225 Every time we go out, I feel wounded. 245 00:14:52,225 --> 00:14:56,196 It's stupid for me to take it so hard, 246 00:14:56,196 --> 00:14:57,497 but I do. 247 00:14:57,497 --> 00:14:59,065 Okay, so I'm going to just ask her 248 00:14:59,065 --> 00:15:02,035 about why she's so defiant when she's on a leash. 249 00:15:03,670 --> 00:15:04,904 (SIGHS) 250 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,423 Okay, so, Dottie's saying 251 00:15:23,423 --> 00:15:26,926 there's a lot of anxiety about it for both of you. 252 00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:28,295 It's like a war every time. 253 00:15:28,295 --> 00:15:30,063 - It's a battle. - Every time. 254 00:15:30,063 --> 00:15:32,365 She's saying if there wasn't 255 00:15:32,365 --> 00:15:35,268 so much attention put on it working, 256 00:15:36,303 --> 00:15:38,271 maybe that's the key sometimes. 257 00:15:38,271 --> 00:15:42,275 Kind of changing your mindset around this whole issue could really help. 258 00:15:42,275 --> 00:15:44,678 I have noticed that this... 259 00:15:44,678 --> 00:15:47,047 Later in the walk, things do get better. 260 00:15:47,047 --> 00:15:48,348 I just think about... 261 00:15:49,282 --> 00:15:51,184 I imagine living in Provence, for one. 262 00:15:51,184 --> 00:15:54,054 - That's like my dream. (CHUCKLES) - Bingo. 263 00:15:54,054 --> 00:15:56,623 - The wine, and the cheese, and the atmosphere. - The bread. 264 00:15:56,623 --> 00:15:58,124 - The bread. - And there's lavender. 265 00:15:58,124 --> 00:15:59,659 - And then she calms down. - Yeah. 266 00:15:59,659 --> 00:16:03,096 Once your thinking isn't on fighting with her, 267 00:16:03,096 --> 00:16:05,065 and you're dreaming about Provence, 268 00:16:05,065 --> 00:16:06,299 she's walking. 269 00:16:06,299 --> 00:16:07,634 Yeah, she's walking on the leash, 270 00:16:07,634 --> 00:16:09,469 and it's right there and that's nice. 271 00:16:11,071 --> 00:16:13,206 You know, I feel terrible when I get mad at her 272 00:16:13,206 --> 00:16:15,508 because it's, um... 273 00:16:15,508 --> 00:16:20,213 She's such a terrific beast on the... Everything else. 274 00:16:22,282 --> 00:16:24,517 The deeper thing here is that 275 00:16:24,517 --> 00:16:28,121 I felt it was, like, personal, you know. 276 00:16:28,121 --> 00:16:30,590 Her not wanting to walk with me was... 277 00:16:30,590 --> 00:16:33,526 It seemed like she loved everybody she met, total strangers. 278 00:16:34,260 --> 00:16:35,328 But... 279 00:16:37,263 --> 00:16:38,264 But me, I don't know. 280 00:16:42,469 --> 00:16:43,436 She loves me, right? 281 00:16:51,378 --> 00:16:54,047 When you first kind of sat down, 282 00:16:56,416 --> 00:16:59,686 (STAMMERS) I get a female energy. 283 00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:06,359 Definitely feels like maybe grandmother, or... 284 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:07,727 Definitely feels like a grandmother. 285 00:17:07,727 --> 00:17:09,295 Hmm. Both of mine are living. 286 00:17:11,197 --> 00:17:12,165 Okay. 287 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:14,667 She definitely has white hair. 288 00:17:17,437 --> 00:17:19,072 This is gonna sound really strange, 289 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,144 but I feel a physical similarity 290 00:17:24,144 --> 00:17:27,046 to the actress who played Lieutenant Uhura 291 00:17:27,046 --> 00:17:29,048 on the original Star Trek. 292 00:17:29,048 --> 00:17:31,151 Or I feel like that there was... 293 00:17:31,151 --> 00:17:32,752 She was inspired by that character 294 00:17:32,752 --> 00:17:33,720 - or something like that. - Huh. 295 00:17:35,555 --> 00:17:38,324 - With William Shatner? Where they... - Yeah. 296 00:17:38,324 --> 00:17:40,794 And it's bringing her in. So she must have... 297 00:17:40,794 --> 00:17:42,195 It must have inspired her. 298 00:17:43,797 --> 00:17:47,200 - I feel like it's an older female energy... - Mm-hmm. 299 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,168 ...watching over you. 300 00:17:50,103 --> 00:17:52,639 Okay, and she's showing me a man's chest. 301 00:17:52,639 --> 00:17:55,275 And I think that kind of means many things, 302 00:17:55,275 --> 00:17:57,310 like sensuality, but also male strength, 303 00:17:57,310 --> 00:17:59,078 - male energy. - Mm. 304 00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:01,748 I did recently come out as genderqueer... 305 00:18:01,748 --> 00:18:03,349 - Mm-hmm. - ...so, I mean... 306 00:18:03,349 --> 00:18:05,785 - She's, "Whoo-hoo!" She's... - (LAUGHS) 307 00:18:05,785 --> 00:18:08,154 She's really happy about that. Good. 308 00:18:08,154 --> 00:18:10,590 Really? Aww. (GRUNTING) Yes! 309 00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:12,325 No, I'm definitely feeling it. 310 00:18:12,325 --> 00:18:14,394 She's like, "Yes, yes, yes, yes." 311 00:18:14,394 --> 00:18:17,197 Yeah, there's... There's support on her part. 312 00:18:26,673 --> 00:18:30,477 So, the question was why you were relinquished? 313 00:18:30,477 --> 00:18:33,746 Yeah. And then maybe if you could provide some details 314 00:18:33,746 --> 00:18:36,115 - about what my birth parents were like. - Okay. 315 00:18:36,115 --> 00:18:37,283 - Like, personalities. - Yeah. 316 00:18:38,852 --> 00:18:40,119 (WRITING) 317 00:18:49,696 --> 00:18:51,865 Okay, so, with your birth mother, 318 00:18:51,865 --> 00:18:55,602 - I do get that she has a temper. - Mm-hmm. 319 00:18:56,636 --> 00:18:57,837 And I am picking up, 320 00:18:57,837 --> 00:18:59,906 like, a sense of greediness, if I'm honest. 321 00:19:03,276 --> 00:19:04,878 And now, let's go to the birth father. 322 00:19:16,489 --> 00:19:18,658 All right. So, with your birth father... 323 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:20,460 Okay. 324 00:19:21,361 --> 00:19:22,829 I get that he was a player. (CHUCKLES) 325 00:19:22,829 --> 00:19:24,364 - Mm. - I think that he was a player. 326 00:19:26,699 --> 00:19:28,668 Besides like, being a player, though, 327 00:19:28,668 --> 00:19:30,737 like, in terms of personality, 328 00:19:30,737 --> 00:19:34,674 I get that he was sincere. 329 00:19:34,674 --> 00:19:35,642 Mm-hmm. 330 00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:38,945 What else would you like to know? 331 00:19:38,945 --> 00:19:41,481 Yeah, I have so many follow-up questions from that. 332 00:19:41,481 --> 00:19:43,416 Yeah. 333 00:19:43,416 --> 00:19:45,818 Do they miss me? Like, how are they doing now? 334 00:19:45,818 --> 00:19:48,421 And do they regret giving me up? 335 00:19:48,421 --> 00:19:49,389 Okay. 336 00:20:04,804 --> 00:20:08,341 I feel like your birth mother still thinks about you, 337 00:20:08,341 --> 00:20:11,244 but it's like a very distant memory. 338 00:20:12,912 --> 00:20:17,617 Like, I haven't seen my grandmother in years, 339 00:20:17,617 --> 00:20:22,589 but I still have some very vague memories. 340 00:20:22,589 --> 00:20:25,291 Like, there are certain things I can remember. 341 00:20:25,291 --> 00:20:27,694 So, it's kind of like that with your birth mother. 342 00:20:33,566 --> 00:20:36,669 Interestingly enough, I was adopted, too. 343 00:20:36,669 --> 00:20:37,604 Oh, really? 344 00:20:39,839 --> 00:20:41,240 Yeah. 345 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,343 And were you adopted by white parents? 346 00:20:43,343 --> 00:20:44,877 - Mm-hmm. - Oh. 347 00:20:44,877 --> 00:20:47,814 Yeah, I always wondered how my life would be different 348 00:20:48,581 --> 00:20:50,016 were my parents. 349 00:20:50,016 --> 00:20:51,951 - A different race... - Oh, it would be very different. 350 00:20:52,418 --> 00:20:53,753 Yeah. 351 00:20:53,753 --> 00:20:56,522 The ones who are adopted by parents of the same race, 352 00:20:56,522 --> 00:20:58,825 they usually have less trauma. 353 00:20:58,825 --> 00:20:59,892 Mm. 354 00:20:59,892 --> 00:21:01,728 Yeah, I can see that. 355 00:21:49,475 --> 00:21:51,978 All right, so here we have me 356 00:21:51,978 --> 00:21:55,615 when I was, I don't know, maybe six years old. 357 00:21:55,615 --> 00:21:56,582 It's hard to tell. 358 00:21:57,517 --> 00:21:58,584 And that was my... 359 00:21:58,584 --> 00:22:01,320 That gigantic orange cat was my buddy. 360 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,855 My buddy Pumpkin. 361 00:22:02,855 --> 00:22:04,457 Now he's in kitty heaven. 362 00:22:05,892 --> 00:22:07,827 {\an8}Mr. MacDuffy is my current cat. 363 00:22:08,561 --> 00:22:09,796 {\an8}He was a rescue, 364 00:22:09,796 --> 00:22:12,565 {\an8}and I just feel like it was kind of meant to be 365 00:22:12,565 --> 00:22:15,635 {\an8}because he was the oldest cat in the rescue shelter, 366 00:22:15,635 --> 00:22:18,571 {\an8}and we have the same birthday, October 5th. 367 00:22:18,571 --> 00:22:20,106 {\an8}And so then, I just adopted him. 368 00:22:21,107 --> 00:22:24,343 And then... Oh, let's see. 369 00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:26,913 So this is my high school graduation picture. 370 00:22:26,913 --> 00:22:28,948 A lot of times people ask me, 371 00:22:28,948 --> 00:22:30,850 "When did you know you were adopted?" 372 00:22:30,850 --> 00:22:33,119 And I'm like, um, "Always." 373 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,687 My parents are white. 374 00:22:34,687 --> 00:22:37,423 How could I not know that I was different, you know? 375 00:22:41,561 --> 00:22:42,462 (MR. MACDUFFY MEOWS) 376 00:22:44,997 --> 00:22:46,699 Five or six years ago 377 00:22:46,699 --> 00:22:49,769 is when the paranormal experiences started. 378 00:22:49,769 --> 00:22:51,571 I was sleeping in this room, 379 00:22:51,571 --> 00:22:54,474 and I would just hear running down the hall, like... 380 00:22:56,008 --> 00:22:58,945 Like, so quickly, and then this door would open. 381 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:03,082 I would hear, like, opening and slamming like that. 382 00:23:07,487 --> 00:23:11,057 I'd start having, like, more and more paranormal experiences. 383 00:23:11,057 --> 00:23:13,593 My ears would start ringing. 384 00:23:13,593 --> 00:23:16,395 The hair on the back of my neck would come up. 385 00:23:18,030 --> 00:23:21,434 I knew things about people that I shouldn't know, 386 00:23:21,434 --> 00:23:23,469 and I thought I was going crazy. 387 00:23:24,704 --> 00:23:27,073 So I just googled psychic schools 388 00:23:27,073 --> 00:23:28,541 in New York City, 389 00:23:28,541 --> 00:23:30,643 and then I started taking psychic classes. 390 00:23:59,672 --> 00:24:01,174 "Think about the possibilities. 391 00:24:01,174 --> 00:24:04,043 "Just think about them. A whole new world, a whole new life. 392 00:24:04,043 --> 00:24:06,012 "We'll have so much freedom. We can be anything we want." 393 00:24:08,848 --> 00:24:11,217 "Listen, I don't know what the hell is going on here, 394 00:24:11,217 --> 00:24:12,185 "and I don't like it." 395 00:24:13,953 --> 00:24:15,121 "The trip is ruined!" 396 00:24:17,857 --> 00:24:19,192 "You're a handsome man, Wang Yung." 397 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,494 "Yes. 398 00:24:23,095 --> 00:24:25,164 "You will look like him. 399 00:24:25,164 --> 00:24:26,599 "Give it some time and you'll see." 400 00:24:29,702 --> 00:24:34,507 My dream was to be an actor, and it still is. 401 00:24:34,507 --> 00:24:37,910 But besides Jackie Chan and Jet Li, 402 00:24:37,910 --> 00:24:40,680 there were no Asian actors on TV, 403 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,748 so I felt like it wasn't possible. 404 00:24:46,085 --> 00:24:49,121 I do have the occasional acting gig. 405 00:24:49,121 --> 00:24:52,725 But it just so happened that with the psychic work, 406 00:24:52,725 --> 00:24:55,595 it was something that I just started picking up more easily. 407 00:24:58,698 --> 00:25:00,833 So are you ready to begin? 408 00:25:00,833 --> 00:25:02,869 - WOMAN: Sure. - All right, so please close your eyes. 409 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,008 Hello. 410 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:14,780 I've lived here since 1999. 411 00:25:14,780 --> 00:25:15,982 Because of the rent stabilization, 412 00:25:15,982 --> 00:25:18,017 I've been able to survive in New York 413 00:25:18,017 --> 00:25:21,988 and do my... (CLEARS THROAT) And do my creative work. 414 00:25:21,988 --> 00:25:25,858 I work on plays, TV scripts, movie scripts. 415 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:28,160 That all happens here. 416 00:25:30,162 --> 00:25:32,231 This needs to be cleaned. No. So, I guess... 417 00:25:32,231 --> 00:25:34,634 Do you have to go in the kitchen? Oh, God. 418 00:25:34,634 --> 00:25:36,168 Uh... (HUMMING) 419 00:25:36,168 --> 00:25:37,937 (LAUGHS NERVOUSLY) 420 00:25:37,937 --> 00:25:39,672 LANA WILSON: What's this room? 421 00:25:39,672 --> 00:25:41,574 That's... That's... Let's not film there. 422 00:25:41,574 --> 00:25:44,777 That's the bedroom. That's where everything was shoved. So... (LAUGHS) 423 00:25:44,777 --> 00:25:46,312 So, that's... 424 00:25:46,312 --> 00:25:49,782 You know, it's the love palace. The empty love palace. 425 00:25:49,782 --> 00:25:51,083 And I have... 426 00:25:51,083 --> 00:25:52,919 If you can squeeze into the bathroom. 427 00:25:54,053 --> 00:25:56,022 Hi, Jack. How you doing? 428 00:25:56,022 --> 00:25:57,857 Little upset? (LAUGHS) 429 00:26:00,993 --> 00:26:03,963 I think my creative side is kind of matching up 430 00:26:03,963 --> 00:26:05,898 with the psychic mediumship side. 431 00:26:08,134 --> 00:26:11,237 When I do a psychic reading, it'll be like 432 00:26:11,237 --> 00:26:13,306 strange diagrams, strange images 433 00:26:13,306 --> 00:26:15,741 and letting the images tell the story. 434 00:26:17,176 --> 00:26:19,011 When you write a screenplay, of course, 435 00:26:19,011 --> 00:26:21,914 you're also in the world of images, 436 00:26:21,914 --> 00:26:23,950 so it's really helped me, 437 00:26:23,950 --> 00:26:24,884 oddly enough. 438 00:26:26,786 --> 00:26:27,853 (BLIND ROLLING UP) 439 00:26:28,821 --> 00:26:30,256 HALL: So what's in here is 440 00:26:30,256 --> 00:26:32,058 the distillation of, 441 00:26:32,058 --> 00:26:34,193 like, most of my adult life in New York City. 442 00:26:35,361 --> 00:26:37,129 So my degree is in here. 443 00:26:37,129 --> 00:26:39,165 I am a classically trained performer. 444 00:26:39,165 --> 00:26:40,766 I studied Shakespeare. I studied Ibsen. 445 00:26:40,766 --> 00:26:41,734 I studied Meisner. 446 00:26:42,601 --> 00:26:44,003 I studied Stanislavski. 447 00:26:44,003 --> 00:26:47,273 I studied, you know, Artaud, and the Theater of Cruelty. 448 00:26:47,273 --> 00:26:49,342 So, yeah, I know my way around a theater. 449 00:26:50,343 --> 00:26:52,979 If I use every piece of all of my degrees 450 00:26:52,979 --> 00:26:54,613 doing these psychic sessions, 451 00:26:54,613 --> 00:26:56,182 it doesn't have to look 452 00:26:58,651 --> 00:27:00,086 conventional. 453 00:27:00,086 --> 00:27:02,655 I have all kinds of different skirts. 454 00:27:02,655 --> 00:27:03,756 I wear this one 455 00:27:03,756 --> 00:27:06,726 for, uh, especially, for kids' parties. 456 00:27:06,726 --> 00:27:10,930 Now, when I do strolling readings, I wear aprons 457 00:27:10,930 --> 00:27:12,698 because the pockets are great 458 00:27:12,698 --> 00:27:16,102 for holding my cards and lozenges. 459 00:27:16,102 --> 00:27:18,904 I sometimes wear this when I do a seance. 460 00:27:18,904 --> 00:27:20,940 One earring. Look. 461 00:27:20,940 --> 00:27:23,909 I've saved this for a very long time. 462 00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:25,244 I just don't want to part with it 463 00:27:25,244 --> 00:27:27,880 because it's very meaningful to me. 464 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,849 I did a one-woman show 465 00:27:31,283 --> 00:27:33,786 here in Manhattan. 466 00:27:33,786 --> 00:27:36,822 It was called Ode to My Love Life. 467 00:27:36,822 --> 00:27:39,158 I was meeting all these men 468 00:27:39,158 --> 00:27:43,095 and having all of these interesting experiences. 469 00:27:43,095 --> 00:27:45,264 And something just came over me, 470 00:27:45,264 --> 00:27:48,034 sort of like when I channel as a psychic. 471 00:27:48,034 --> 00:27:49,068 Well, it's the same thing. 472 00:27:49,068 --> 00:27:51,804 I was channeling music and lyrics. 473 00:27:51,804 --> 00:27:55,775 ♪ I'm dating the mentally ill 474 00:27:56,942 --> 00:27:58,377 Hi, honey. Sit down. 475 00:27:58,377 --> 00:28:00,079 ♪ Take your pill 476 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,048 ♪ He was so cute 477 00:28:02,048 --> 00:28:05,084 ♪ So sexy, divine 478 00:28:05,084 --> 00:28:07,186 Um, what came next... 479 00:28:08,454 --> 00:28:12,191 ♪ And what's more He was totally mine ♪ 480 00:28:12,191 --> 00:28:16,695 I can't believe I'm doing this, having not warmed up at all. 481 00:28:24,970 --> 00:28:26,739 HOST: (ON TV) Remembering the category title, 482 00:28:26,739 --> 00:28:28,340 it's where you'll find LaGuardia Airport. 483 00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:30,009 - Queens. - HOST: And a bit smaller, 484 00:28:30,009 --> 00:28:32,745 Allie Pond Environmental Center. 485 00:28:32,745 --> 00:28:34,180 - Rebecca. - REBECCA: What is Queens? 486 00:28:34,180 --> 00:28:36,015 HOST: Yes. REBECCA: Prepositional Phrases for six. 487 00:28:36,015 --> 00:28:38,317 I didn't have any interest in psychics. 488 00:28:38,317 --> 00:28:41,053 I didn't know what animal communication was. 489 00:28:41,053 --> 00:28:44,890 This... Some people would say the universe led me to it. 490 00:28:44,890 --> 00:28:47,393 I didn't know it existed, but it helped me more, 491 00:28:47,393 --> 00:28:48,828 I would say, in a few months 492 00:28:48,828 --> 00:28:51,097 than all the therapy in my life ever helped me. 493 00:28:53,933 --> 00:28:56,435 So everything here is influenced by John Waters. 494 00:28:56,435 --> 00:28:59,772 As you can see, I have Pink Flamingos over here. 495 00:28:59,772 --> 00:29:01,774 I love Divine. Female Trouble. 496 00:29:01,774 --> 00:29:07,113 That was the movie I saw that just solidified my fascination with him. 497 00:29:07,113 --> 00:29:11,750 I was 22. I was very depressed. 498 00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:12,952 I wanted to be an actress 499 00:29:12,952 --> 00:29:14,320 but I pretty much gave up on that 500 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,922 'cause I couldn't deal with the business aspect of it. 501 00:29:16,922 --> 00:29:18,791 And just seeing this movie, 502 00:29:19,959 --> 00:29:21,160 it excited me. 503 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,295 He created this world, this universe. 504 00:29:23,295 --> 00:29:24,864 I mean, a lot of people are into Marvel. 505 00:29:24,864 --> 00:29:26,432 I don't care about Marvel. 506 00:29:26,432 --> 00:29:30,202 This is the world I want to look at. Just where there's no rules. 507 00:29:33,072 --> 00:29:34,874 ACTRESS: (ON TV) He said if the police ever found your writing, 508 00:29:34,874 --> 00:29:36,542 that's all they'd need. 509 00:29:36,542 --> 00:29:37,910 Something to prove that you were at the scene of the murder. 510 00:29:39,111 --> 00:29:41,080 HOFFMAN: I love movies. 511 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,948 I mean, I remember, 15 years old, 512 00:29:42,948 --> 00:29:44,216 I would just skip school. 513 00:29:44,216 --> 00:29:46,051 I'd be sitting on the couch, smoking all day, 514 00:29:46,051 --> 00:29:48,521 watching the Independent Film Channel 515 00:29:48,521 --> 00:29:52,024 and, you know, watching the movie Kissed for the thousandth time. 516 00:29:52,024 --> 00:29:54,393 Remember that movie about necrophilia with Molly Parker? 517 00:29:54,393 --> 00:29:55,361 I loved that movie. 518 00:29:55,361 --> 00:29:56,996 I'd watch every Lili Taylor movie, 519 00:29:56,996 --> 00:29:59,331 Parker Posey, Jennifer Jason Leigh. I had my list. 520 00:29:59,331 --> 00:30:01,000 (TV PLAYING INDISTINCTLY) 521 00:30:03,903 --> 00:30:08,040 HOFFMAN: People would say to me all the time that I was too intense. 522 00:30:11,043 --> 00:30:13,512 But now, giving psychic readings 523 00:30:13,512 --> 00:30:17,483 connects me with other unconventional people. 524 00:30:17,483 --> 00:30:20,186 Why, theater caters to sex offenders. 525 00:30:25,391 --> 00:30:28,027 What I had this key interest to ask was, 526 00:30:28,027 --> 00:30:29,395 she's always running to the door, 527 00:30:29,395 --> 00:30:32,531 she's always leading me to the door. 528 00:30:32,531 --> 00:30:36,835 I even filmed it multiple times because she only does it to me. 529 00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:38,871 I'll eat, she wants to run to the door, 530 00:30:38,871 --> 00:30:40,606 and she just meows and meows at the door. 531 00:30:40,606 --> 00:30:42,308 There's nobody at the door. 532 00:30:42,308 --> 00:30:45,144 And then she hits, like tapping on the door, 533 00:30:45,144 --> 00:30:47,046 like she's leading me to the door. 534 00:30:47,046 --> 00:30:48,948 If I open the door, she doesn't try to escape. 535 00:30:48,948 --> 00:30:50,149 She walks away. 536 00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:53,085 But it's this constant of tap, tap the door, 537 00:30:53,085 --> 00:30:54,153 tap, tap the door. 538 00:30:54,153 --> 00:30:56,922 So, I know there's a lot to be said. 539 00:30:56,922 --> 00:30:59,592 I don't know what she's trying to convey. 540 00:30:59,592 --> 00:31:01,393 She's not meant to be in your life 541 00:31:01,393 --> 00:31:07,032 just to be like an easy, simply understood cat. 542 00:31:07,032 --> 00:31:08,400 She's saying you're the same way. 543 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,869 Like, I get that you're very open-minded 544 00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:13,939 and you like mysteries. You like... 545 00:31:13,939 --> 00:31:16,609 - You like the weirdness of the world. - Mm. 546 00:31:16,609 --> 00:31:21,113 Like weird people and weird stories intrigue you. 547 00:31:21,113 --> 00:31:23,015 You don't want to just see, like, 548 00:31:23,015 --> 00:31:25,017 the Tom Hanks, Meg Ryan movies. 549 00:31:25,017 --> 00:31:26,952 - You wanna see... - I hate Tom Hanks. 550 00:31:26,952 --> 00:31:28,654 - Oh, there you go. - He's literally the epitome of 551 00:31:28,654 --> 00:31:31,190 when I tell people if there's a like and a dislike, 552 00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:32,524 he's my number one dislike. 553 00:31:32,524 --> 00:31:36,161 So... Do you read other animals that are not pets? 554 00:31:36,161 --> 00:31:37,296 - Or would you read? - Oh, yeah. 555 00:31:37,296 --> 00:31:38,897 You mean, like, wildlife? 556 00:31:38,897 --> 00:31:39,999 Yeah. Can I ask you something? 557 00:31:39,999 --> 00:31:41,300 - Sure. - Birds. 558 00:31:42,301 --> 00:31:43,602 Do you know the bird? 559 00:31:43,602 --> 00:31:45,604 - No. - Okay, because this is the thing about... 560 00:31:45,604 --> 00:31:48,073 - Birds are constantly... - Yeah. 561 00:31:48,073 --> 00:31:50,542 ...either falling in front of me... 562 00:31:50,542 --> 00:31:53,379 - Yeah. - Like, literally falling out of trees 563 00:31:54,546 --> 00:31:56,048 to me, multiple times. 564 00:31:56,048 --> 00:31:59,485 Like, a bird hit me in the head and landed. 565 00:31:59,485 --> 00:32:01,120 But do they die? 566 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,388 - One died. - Okay. 567 00:32:02,388 --> 00:32:04,089 The other one, I don't know, because I was like, 568 00:32:04,089 --> 00:32:06,091 let me build a nest or let me help it out 569 00:32:06,091 --> 00:32:08,227 and let me wait till it flies. 570 00:32:08,227 --> 00:32:11,397 But I'm always walking around with these, like, injured birds throughout the city. 571 00:32:11,397 --> 00:32:13,499 I don't drive, I never leave this city. 572 00:32:13,499 --> 00:32:15,668 And these birds come to me. 573 00:32:15,668 --> 00:32:17,102 They're attracted to you. 574 00:32:17,102 --> 00:32:18,570 They're attracted to your energy 575 00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:20,639 and they know you will treat them kindly. 576 00:32:20,639 --> 00:32:22,474 That if they do drop into your hand, 577 00:32:22,474 --> 00:32:24,610 you will treat them gently. 578 00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:26,145 And you're not gonna turn them away. 579 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:28,981 Like, you're different. You're... 580 00:32:28,981 --> 00:32:32,284 There's something about you that's unique. 581 00:32:32,284 --> 00:32:34,219 And, like, that's the thing about animals. 582 00:32:34,219 --> 00:32:38,424 They appreciate what makes us feel 583 00:32:38,424 --> 00:32:40,292 like we maybe don't belong in the world. 584 00:32:41,994 --> 00:32:44,330 - (TAP RUNNING) - (GLASSES CLINKING) 585 00:32:48,667 --> 00:32:50,069 (HUMMING TUNE) 586 00:32:56,442 --> 00:32:57,710 Just so you know... (CLEARS THROAT) 587 00:33:00,145 --> 00:33:03,015 This is kind of like where I connect. 588 00:33:03,015 --> 00:33:04,350 WILSON: Where you connect to the other side. 589 00:33:04,350 --> 00:33:05,584 GRYGO: Yeah. 590 00:33:05,584 --> 00:33:09,421 Messages, uh, things like that come through. 591 00:33:09,421 --> 00:33:13,625 And I put up old photos of Erie 592 00:33:13,625 --> 00:33:18,130 and the family home and my mother and my family. 593 00:33:18,130 --> 00:33:19,064 So... 594 00:33:20,065 --> 00:33:21,700 (CRUSHING PLASTIC BAGS) 595 00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:25,137 Growing up Catholic in Erie, Pennsylvania, 596 00:33:25,137 --> 00:33:27,106 was a challenge. 597 00:33:27,106 --> 00:33:28,607 (FAUCET RUNNING) 598 00:33:28,607 --> 00:33:33,412 For most of my life in the area, I was a closeted gay person. 599 00:33:33,412 --> 00:33:35,714 And I guess I felt there was no place for me there. 600 00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:44,223 And I distinctly remember, I went with an aunt 601 00:33:44,223 --> 00:33:46,725 to psychic mediums and had readings. 602 00:33:46,725 --> 00:33:51,230 And I basically felt the love, 603 00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:54,266 almost always, from someone on the other side. 604 00:33:54,266 --> 00:33:56,802 And it felt like acceptance, like I was accepted. 605 00:33:58,036 --> 00:33:59,538 That made me feel like, okay. 606 00:33:59,538 --> 00:34:03,108 (CHUCKLES) My reality is a bit grim 607 00:34:03,108 --> 00:34:06,545 but they're very affirming of who I am. 608 00:34:11,116 --> 00:34:13,419 I'm looking for a movie called Central Station. 609 00:34:16,522 --> 00:34:18,824 This is one of my favorite movies of all time. 610 00:34:19,658 --> 00:34:21,493 It's a woman... 611 00:34:21,493 --> 00:34:24,563 Actually, a stage actress plays the main character. 612 00:34:24,563 --> 00:34:27,166 And then there's a little boy and his mother. 613 00:34:27,166 --> 00:34:30,335 I think there's a traffic accident and the mother is lost. 614 00:34:30,335 --> 00:34:32,504 And she takes care of the little boy. 615 00:34:32,504 --> 00:34:33,806 And then she starts on a journey 616 00:34:33,806 --> 00:34:36,575 where she returns him to his family. 617 00:34:38,243 --> 00:34:40,212 And it changes her by the end of it. 618 00:34:40,212 --> 00:34:43,415 So that's one of my favorite movies. 619 00:34:43,415 --> 00:34:46,318 WILSON: Why do you think you're so personally attached to it? 620 00:34:46,318 --> 00:34:48,120 All the loss, I think. 621 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,355 The little kid and then, the older person 622 00:34:50,355 --> 00:34:52,124 reaching out to the younger person. 623 00:34:57,696 --> 00:34:58,664 I'm sorry. 624 00:35:01,266 --> 00:35:03,435 I lost my brother, Johnny. 625 00:35:05,871 --> 00:35:09,842 And I was... He was only 23 and I was 19. (CLEARS THROAT) 626 00:35:09,842 --> 00:35:10,809 And I think that... 627 00:35:14,446 --> 00:35:16,181 I think that that's what influences me. 628 00:35:17,516 --> 00:35:20,719 Because my other movie 629 00:35:22,354 --> 00:35:24,323 is Ordinary People. 630 00:35:24,323 --> 00:35:26,725 So it's hard to choose which one is better 631 00:35:26,725 --> 00:35:27,860 because they're such great movies. 632 00:35:29,561 --> 00:35:32,331 But it's about people working through loss. 633 00:35:35,334 --> 00:35:36,268 So... 634 00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:40,405 It's an ongoing thing. (SNIFFLES) 635 00:35:40,405 --> 00:35:44,710 And I think anyone who has lost someone in that way, 636 00:35:46,411 --> 00:35:48,380 you never get over it. 637 00:35:48,380 --> 00:35:51,783 You cope, you you develop coping strategies. 638 00:35:51,783 --> 00:35:53,185 You get therapy, you get help. 639 00:35:54,386 --> 00:35:57,489 But it's an open wound, forever. 640 00:36:01,393 --> 00:36:06,698 And I think that is directly related to my anxiety 641 00:36:06,698 --> 00:36:08,600 about having you visit my apartment. 642 00:36:10,435 --> 00:36:11,603 Because I think I... 643 00:36:14,740 --> 00:36:17,676 I think part of me just wants to be a hermit 644 00:36:17,676 --> 00:36:18,710 and escape from the world. 645 00:36:21,647 --> 00:36:23,315 So... 646 00:36:23,315 --> 00:36:25,817 That's my struggle, you know. 647 00:36:25,817 --> 00:36:28,420 I want to join the world and I want to retreat from it. 648 00:36:28,420 --> 00:36:30,622 It's really tough. So... 649 00:36:36,328 --> 00:36:37,763 GRYGO: Okay. Thank you. 650 00:36:53,245 --> 00:36:55,647 Was it... Was there a father figure? 651 00:36:55,647 --> 00:36:57,382 Somebody that was close to you? 652 00:36:57,382 --> 00:36:59,251 - Male? - Mm-hmm. 653 00:36:59,251 --> 00:37:00,652 Was he actually your father? 654 00:37:00,652 --> 00:37:01,587 - Yeah. - He was. 655 00:37:03,989 --> 00:37:05,390 Was it a cardiac arrest? 656 00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:08,360 Yeah. Well, sort of. That's what I was told. 657 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:13,298 - Okay, all right. -And then... I don't know if you want me to tell you. 658 00:37:13,298 --> 00:37:14,433 Oh, just if I'm wrong. 659 00:37:14,433 --> 00:37:15,667 - Yeah, yeah. - Just tell me if I'm wrong. 660 00:37:15,667 --> 00:37:18,437 - He OD'd. - Okay. 661 00:37:19,004 --> 00:37:20,606 Because I was feeling like... 662 00:37:22,474 --> 00:37:23,642 (STAMMERS) 663 00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:28,680 Huge regret that he wasn't there to help you. 664 00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:30,983 And 665 00:37:34,853 --> 00:37:36,288 just a lot of sorrow. 666 00:37:44,463 --> 00:37:46,498 A lot of regret on his part. 667 00:37:47,966 --> 00:37:50,836 It makes a lot of sense. He missed out on a lot. 668 00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:57,309 And he understands your reaction to him and your resentment. 669 00:37:58,644 --> 00:38:01,546 And he's so sorry for that. 670 00:38:03,649 --> 00:38:05,851 Not that he can rectify the past, of course, but... 671 00:38:07,819 --> 00:38:10,355 He miscalculated, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. 672 00:38:10,355 --> 00:38:11,556 MAN: Mm-hmm. 673 00:38:20,499 --> 00:38:22,668 (R&B MUSIC PLAYING) 674 00:38:45,557 --> 00:38:51,730 HALL: I always believed that there was some other side. 675 00:38:56,468 --> 00:39:00,706 I grew up very, very religious. Christian in Oklahoma. 676 00:39:02,574 --> 00:39:05,410 But I moved to New York, 2011, 677 00:39:07,646 --> 00:39:09,715 and I was staying with my sorority sister at the time 678 00:39:09,715 --> 00:39:11,483 and her dad had transitioned, 679 00:39:11,483 --> 00:39:15,087 and so she was open to going to seances. 680 00:39:15,087 --> 00:39:18,356 It was in a conference room. 681 00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:22,494 And you ask for questions with the lights on 682 00:39:22,494 --> 00:39:24,062 and then you turn the lights off. 683 00:39:24,062 --> 00:39:26,565 When you first get into the venue, 684 00:39:26,565 --> 00:39:28,500 you can still feel the air on you. 685 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:30,135 You might even be a little cold. 686 00:39:30,135 --> 00:39:32,604 But once the music starts and you get this euphoria 687 00:39:32,604 --> 00:39:34,740 and all of that, you get warm. 688 00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:36,575 Just because I'm new in the city, 689 00:39:36,575 --> 00:39:39,044 everything gets new, crazy. 690 00:39:39,044 --> 00:39:40,445 You just feel so ungrounded. 691 00:39:40,445 --> 00:39:43,148 But that felt just good. 692 00:39:43,148 --> 00:39:45,050 I wasn't getting this 693 00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:49,788 release community 694 00:39:50,822 --> 00:39:51,757 anywhere else. 695 00:39:52,891 --> 00:39:54,559 I was like, "Oh, I like this." 696 00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,162 Even if this is fake, I like it. It feels good, and I need it. 697 00:39:58,697 --> 00:40:00,065 It felt like church in that way. 698 00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:03,068 (TV PLAYING INDISTINCTLY) 699 00:40:27,793 --> 00:40:28,860 (BRACELETS CLINKING) 700 00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:35,834 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 701 00:40:37,936 --> 00:40:40,872 MAN: How are you? LYNNE: Hi. Good. 702 00:40:40,872 --> 00:40:44,576 Hey, everybody. I'm here doing readings for the event tonight. 703 00:40:44,576 --> 00:40:46,711 I'm Sherrie, and I'm a party psychic. 704 00:40:46,711 --> 00:40:50,015 Is there anybody here who'd like to have a reading right now? 705 00:40:50,015 --> 00:40:50,949 WOMAN: Like, now? 706 00:40:52,584 --> 00:40:55,487 LYNNE: Anybody curious? 707 00:40:55,487 --> 00:40:58,657 - No? Okay, we'll keep looking. - WOMAN: Thanks for the offer, though. 708 00:41:03,094 --> 00:41:05,030 You're a very interesting woman. 709 00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:07,199 (LAUGHS) 710 00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:11,069 LYNNE: And you're doing a little too much hiding, 711 00:41:11,069 --> 00:41:14,739 because what I see here is like a chest of jewels 712 00:41:14,739 --> 00:41:16,474 and all these beautiful colors, 713 00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:19,144 rubies and emeralds and sapphires. 714 00:41:19,144 --> 00:41:21,246 But you need to come out of hiding 715 00:41:21,246 --> 00:41:24,482 and keeping all these fabulous secrets about yourself. 716 00:41:24,482 --> 00:41:26,084 (HIP-HOP MUSIC PLAYING) 717 00:41:27,185 --> 00:41:28,854 Are you like a medium at all? 718 00:41:28,854 --> 00:41:30,255 Are you... 719 00:41:30,255 --> 00:41:32,791 LYNNE: Are you trying to connect with somebody who's passed? 720 00:41:32,791 --> 00:41:35,060 - Yes. - Why? Did you recently lose someone? 721 00:41:35,060 --> 00:41:38,129 My father, about a year and a half ago 722 00:41:38,129 --> 00:41:40,599 - Okay. I'm sorry for your loss. - Thank you. 723 00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:43,568 Well, he showed up immediately as soon as you told me, 724 00:41:43,568 --> 00:41:45,270 you know, who your loss was. 725 00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:47,606 So I feel like he is around 726 00:41:47,606 --> 00:41:49,541 - and close by. - I believe that. 727 00:42:08,894 --> 00:42:11,196 WILSON: Did you think when you were a kid, 728 00:42:11,196 --> 00:42:12,864 "Maybe I'll be a psychic when I grow up"? 729 00:42:12,864 --> 00:42:13,832 LYNNE: No. 730 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:15,934 Not at all. 731 00:42:17,869 --> 00:42:20,872 I wanted to go to school for art. 732 00:42:22,274 --> 00:42:25,710 But my parents didn't have the skill 733 00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:30,081 to mirror us, which kids need. 734 00:42:31,216 --> 00:42:34,319 And so I don't know if any of us 735 00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:37,689 had that strong sense of self, growing up. 736 00:42:40,225 --> 00:42:43,695 My parents were both narcissists. You know... 737 00:42:43,695 --> 00:42:47,198 They were damaged by their parents. 738 00:42:47,198 --> 00:42:50,302 If I see someone coming towards me that's like my mother and father, 739 00:42:50,302 --> 00:42:52,570 a 180. Bye-bye. 740 00:42:54,306 --> 00:42:57,575 Because I'm not interested in being with somebody 741 00:42:57,575 --> 00:42:59,678 who can't get outside of themselves 742 00:42:59,678 --> 00:43:01,846 to hold the space for my feelings 743 00:43:01,846 --> 00:43:03,848 my thoughts, my dreams. 744 00:43:09,154 --> 00:43:11,256 It wasn't until my father was in his 60s 745 00:43:11,256 --> 00:43:14,826 and had a heart attack that he was able to say to me in a letter, 746 00:43:14,826 --> 00:43:16,294 "You have a blessed gift." 747 00:43:16,294 --> 00:43:18,330 He was referring to my artistry. 748 00:43:20,332 --> 00:43:24,169 And I feel that's so sad, that you have to be facing death 749 00:43:24,169 --> 00:43:26,771 to tell your children they have talent. 750 00:43:26,771 --> 00:43:28,840 That is fucked up! 751 00:43:38,850 --> 00:43:41,886 So let me start by asking you, 752 00:43:41,886 --> 00:43:45,757 is there anything troubling you that you're aware of? 753 00:43:45,757 --> 00:43:50,161 Um... I don't think there's something that large that's troubling me. 754 00:43:50,161 --> 00:43:53,198 I think just existential pressure 755 00:43:53,198 --> 00:43:55,934 is troubling, like I don't really... 756 00:43:55,934 --> 00:43:59,738 I'm 18 now, and I don't really know where my life is heading. 757 00:43:59,738 --> 00:44:01,673 I have a general idea, 758 00:44:01,673 --> 00:44:04,042 but it's not in stone, really. 759 00:44:04,042 --> 00:44:06,644 LYNNE: Uh-huh. Okay. 760 00:44:09,881 --> 00:44:12,684 I don't know why, but I'm being led to tell you this. 761 00:44:12,684 --> 00:44:14,252 That it's okay to do what you love. 762 00:44:14,252 --> 00:44:15,720 Mm-hmm. 763 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:19,157 And that more will come. 764 00:44:19,157 --> 00:44:21,426 {\an8}These are messages that I'm hearing for you. 765 00:44:22,927 --> 00:44:24,963 Let me see the other sides of your hands. 766 00:44:26,097 --> 00:44:28,099 Mm-hmm. 767 00:44:28,099 --> 00:44:30,702 There's some connection for you to visual art. 768 00:44:30,702 --> 00:44:31,870 Yes, there is. 769 00:44:31,870 --> 00:44:34,172 What is your current connection to visual art? 770 00:44:35,073 --> 00:44:36,775 As a kid, I just really loved comics, 771 00:44:36,775 --> 00:44:39,210 so, like, I draw a lot with pens. 772 00:44:39,210 --> 00:44:43,915 Right, right I don't think that there has to be a limit 773 00:44:43,915 --> 00:44:46,351 to what you do or who you are. 774 00:44:46,351 --> 00:44:49,020 Think of it more as the discovery process 775 00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:52,690 of all the gifts that are in your treasure chest. 776 00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:54,159 We all are born with those. 777 00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:56,895 And so this is an opportunity for you 778 00:44:56,895 --> 00:44:59,764 to keep getting to know those gifts 779 00:44:59,764 --> 00:45:03,001 and exploring them, expressing yourself, 780 00:45:03,001 --> 00:45:06,104 and, um, not limiting yourself. 781 00:45:11,076 --> 00:45:12,077 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 782 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,817 (LINE RINGING) 783 00:45:18,817 --> 00:45:20,819 MAN: (ON VOICE MAIL) Thanks for calling Pete's Candy Store. 784 00:45:20,819 --> 00:45:22,053 Sorry we missed you. 785 00:45:22,053 --> 00:45:23,888 (RECORDING BEEPS) 786 00:45:23,888 --> 00:45:27,725 Hi, my name is Eugene. I'm calling you about your open mic nights. 787 00:45:27,725 --> 00:45:29,060 I just need some more information 788 00:45:29,060 --> 00:45:32,897 about how to prepare and when they are being held. 789 00:45:32,897 --> 00:45:33,965 Thank you. 790 00:45:36,868 --> 00:45:39,737 I was there about two years ago. 791 00:45:39,737 --> 00:45:41,072 The night I went, it was a summer night. 792 00:45:41,072 --> 00:45:44,075 It was really hot and a lot of people in there. 793 00:45:44,075 --> 00:45:45,443 It was really intimate. 794 00:45:46,778 --> 00:45:48,246 And the interesting thing is 795 00:45:48,246 --> 00:45:50,849 that, you know, when you do that and it's so intimate, 796 00:45:50,849 --> 00:45:54,919 people hear every word, every note, every... (CHUCKLES) 797 00:45:54,919 --> 00:45:56,488 You know, I mean, look how close the people are 798 00:45:56,488 --> 00:46:00,158 to the performers. 799 00:46:00,158 --> 00:46:02,927 So it's not like... I don't know. 800 00:46:02,927 --> 00:46:05,330 I think I think I worry too much about things. 801 00:46:06,397 --> 00:46:09,267 But, yeah, you can't fake it. 802 00:46:09,267 --> 00:46:10,535 You gotta hit the notes. 803 00:46:10,535 --> 00:46:14,038 You gotta sell the song. So... 804 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,290 WOMAN: (ON SCREEN) This process might seem overwhelming, 805 00:46:34,025 --> 00:46:35,994 but with a little practice, 806 00:46:37,562 --> 00:46:41,466 it can still become a pleasurable experience. 807 00:46:41,466 --> 00:46:43,234 (MAN SCREAMS ON SCREEN) 808 00:46:43,234 --> 00:46:45,970 BORJA: I've always been into, like, horror movies. 809 00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:50,208 I think I like the feeling of getting scared. 810 00:46:53,344 --> 00:46:55,413 And there's something... 811 00:46:55,413 --> 00:46:57,916 There's just something comforting about them as well. 812 00:47:00,385 --> 00:47:03,388 Maybe it's the idea of these people in these horror movies, 813 00:47:03,388 --> 00:47:05,990 often they feel quite isolated 814 00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:08,860 when they're experiencing these things. 815 00:47:08,860 --> 00:47:10,395 - And... Yeah. - WILSON: They're intimate. 816 00:47:10,395 --> 00:47:13,865 The characters feel quite isolated 817 00:47:13,865 --> 00:47:18,036 and they really have to find something within to help them survive. 818 00:47:21,606 --> 00:47:24,842 One of my favorite horror movies is The Witch, 819 00:47:24,842 --> 00:47:26,844 and there's like barely any gore in that. 820 00:47:26,844 --> 00:47:28,880 But it's just so atmospheric, and... 821 00:47:31,049 --> 00:47:33,017 And the end of the movie, 822 00:47:33,017 --> 00:47:36,988 she joins the coven and leaves her family. 823 00:47:36,988 --> 00:47:40,625 And I think there was like just a really interesting metaphor 824 00:47:40,625 --> 00:47:42,560 that I related to about that. 825 00:47:44,429 --> 00:47:45,930 And, like, finding your people, 826 00:47:45,930 --> 00:47:48,466 even though the coven eats children. 827 00:47:48,466 --> 00:47:50,001 (LAUGHS) 828 00:47:58,376 --> 00:48:00,078 (ELEVATOR WHIRRING) 829 00:48:02,580 --> 00:48:03,915 (ELEVATOR DINGS) 830 00:48:08,052 --> 00:48:09,988 I had just moved to New York 831 00:48:09,988 --> 00:48:12,490 when my first major relationship ended. 832 00:48:15,460 --> 00:48:17,996 We hadn't really been fighting. 833 00:48:17,996 --> 00:48:21,199 It was just one night when we were laying in bed, 834 00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:24,502 he just started crying profusely. 835 00:48:24,502 --> 00:48:26,104 He started crying, 836 00:48:26,104 --> 00:48:28,273 crying, crying, crying, and I was like, "What's wrong?" 837 00:48:28,273 --> 00:48:29,674 "What's wrong? What happened?" 838 00:48:31,175 --> 00:48:34,279 And he said, "Um, I'm so sorry. 839 00:48:34,279 --> 00:48:37,048 "I don't think I'm in love with you anymore, and I don't know why." 840 00:48:39,284 --> 00:48:44,122 And then, at that moment, like, my whole world shattered. 841 00:48:44,122 --> 00:48:46,424 And that breakup 842 00:48:46,424 --> 00:48:50,161 is really what opened me up to the world of spirituality. 843 00:48:50,161 --> 00:48:52,397 Because that's when I was trying to find answers 844 00:48:53,631 --> 00:48:55,667 and trying to find meaning. 845 00:48:55,667 --> 00:49:00,505 Before then, I was pretty adamantly atheist 846 00:49:00,505 --> 00:49:04,108 and didn't believe in anything after this life. 847 00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:07,578 But that was like a death for me. 848 00:49:21,025 --> 00:49:22,160 Hmm. 849 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,162 I do feel I have, um, 850 00:49:25,463 --> 00:49:28,232 a man in spirit here with me. 851 00:49:28,232 --> 00:49:31,135 But he feels quite young to me. 852 00:49:34,038 --> 00:49:35,006 Hold on. 853 00:49:38,209 --> 00:49:39,644 Would you understand 854 00:49:39,644 --> 00:49:41,412 a man that you know who would be in spirit 855 00:49:41,412 --> 00:49:43,114 that didn't get to live a full life? 856 00:49:44,482 --> 00:49:45,750 - Yes. - Okay. 857 00:49:47,085 --> 00:49:49,520 And would this person... 858 00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:54,592 Would he have passed as a young adult? 859 00:49:55,727 --> 00:49:59,197 - No - Not a young adult. That's fine. 860 00:49:59,197 --> 00:50:01,399 And would this individual, 861 00:50:01,399 --> 00:50:03,534 would you understand a connection 862 00:50:03,534 --> 00:50:07,138 to skateboarding or skateboard culture? 863 00:50:08,172 --> 00:50:09,540 Not that I know. 864 00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:11,676 Okay. What am I seeing here? 865 00:50:14,345 --> 00:50:15,480 I know I have a... 866 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,615 I know I have a young man with me. 867 00:50:20,017 --> 00:50:21,018 Mm... 868 00:50:33,097 --> 00:50:35,166 I'm sorry, can I... 869 00:50:35,166 --> 00:50:36,534 - Lana? - WILSON: Yeah? 870 00:50:36,534 --> 00:50:38,536 Sorry. Can I just ask... 871 00:50:38,536 --> 00:50:40,805 I just feel this presence really strongly with me. 872 00:50:40,805 --> 00:50:45,042 Does anyone in the room know if there was a younger man 873 00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:48,713 that they knew that passed away that would have known how to skateboard? 874 00:50:48,713 --> 00:50:50,681 Can I just ask... Throw that out to the group? 875 00:50:53,384 --> 00:50:54,585 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 876 00:51:00,158 --> 00:51:02,593 No? Okay. 877 00:51:02,593 --> 00:51:05,563 Sorry, I'm gonna start over because that really threw me off. 878 00:51:05,563 --> 00:51:06,531 Okay. 879 00:51:13,404 --> 00:51:14,605 I'm sorry, I feel like I'm losing it. 880 00:51:14,605 --> 00:51:18,176 I'm feeling very tired all of a sudden. Um... 881 00:51:21,312 --> 00:51:24,315 WILSON: Do you ever... Do you ever doubt what you do? 882 00:51:24,315 --> 00:51:25,750 Do you ever wonder if it's not real? 883 00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:28,853 Yeah, all the time. (CHUCKLING) 884 00:51:28,853 --> 00:51:33,691 I never fully 100 percent believe in the things I even say. 885 00:51:35,393 --> 00:51:39,363 When I fail, I'm like, oh, I suck, 886 00:51:39,363 --> 00:51:43,267 and this isn't real, and I'm a POS and... 887 00:51:44,469 --> 00:51:46,537 (SIGHS) 888 00:51:46,537 --> 00:51:50,808 You know, it just doesn't feel great. 889 00:51:52,777 --> 00:51:56,247 Where I kind of fall back to is I really feel like I have 890 00:51:56,247 --> 00:51:59,851 this presence and this energy and this spirit with me. 891 00:51:59,851 --> 00:52:03,421 And I hope that I'm channeling something outside of me. 892 00:52:05,556 --> 00:52:08,793 And I hope that I'm acting as a kind of vessel 893 00:52:08,793 --> 00:52:10,528 for something greater than myself. 894 00:52:14,131 --> 00:52:15,867 Okay, I'm gonna go in a different direction 895 00:52:15,867 --> 00:52:17,268 a little bit with you, okay? 896 00:52:26,410 --> 00:52:30,281 Part... Partner... Feels, um... 897 00:52:32,416 --> 00:52:33,351 First... 898 00:52:37,355 --> 00:52:40,725 - I want to say first generation Caribbean. - Oh, really? 899 00:52:40,725 --> 00:52:42,693 And he's a little older as well. 900 00:52:44,262 --> 00:52:46,430 It's like, um, 901 00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:51,168 a wiser element to him, like they're showing me, like, fedora hat, 902 00:52:51,168 --> 00:52:53,538 like, just a distinguished older vibe. 903 00:52:53,538 --> 00:52:54,639 And he's West Indian? 904 00:52:56,841 --> 00:52:59,210 - So I'll say this... - I got Caribbean first. 905 00:52:59,210 --> 00:53:02,346 It could be African, but there's a different 906 00:53:03,247 --> 00:53:06,317 country that is heavily in his life. 907 00:53:07,285 --> 00:53:08,519 Because he does a lot back home. 908 00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:10,821 - But he's Black. - Yes. 909 00:53:10,821 --> 00:53:12,590 I've never dated a Black man. 910 00:53:12,590 --> 00:53:13,858 Maybe twice my whole life. 911 00:53:13,858 --> 00:53:15,693 - I see... I see him. - That's wild. 912 00:53:15,693 --> 00:53:18,195 I see him, I see him. 913 00:53:18,195 --> 00:53:19,664 - Huh. - Yeah. 914 00:53:19,664 --> 00:53:23,834 And he's older, like dad sandals older, like... 915 00:53:23,834 --> 00:53:25,937 Yeah, but that's like not my type at all. 916 00:53:25,937 --> 00:53:28,539 A fedora and dad sandals. What are we talking about here? 917 00:53:28,539 --> 00:53:30,942 - He's an older man. - What island is home? Is he Dominican? 918 00:53:30,942 --> 00:53:32,510 What are we talking about? 919 00:53:32,510 --> 00:53:36,347 - (LAUGHS) - It's the vibration of him. 920 00:53:36,347 --> 00:53:38,716 - This is going to be... (SPLUTTERS) - Are you saying 921 00:53:38,716 --> 00:53:41,819 if I saw a fedora man with Jesus sandals, I'd be like, "Oh, God!" 922 00:53:41,819 --> 00:53:43,454 When he breezes in, I mean, you know? 923 00:53:43,454 --> 00:53:44,655 Well, I'll know him exactly, 924 00:53:44,655 --> 00:53:46,424 because suddenly, I'll have this feeling 925 00:53:46,424 --> 00:53:48,826 for a man in a fedora that I'd never had before. 926 00:53:48,826 --> 00:53:50,261 That'll be wild. 927 00:53:50,261 --> 00:53:51,495 That would be wild. That would be wild. 928 00:53:51,495 --> 00:53:54,298 Not necessarily the fedora and Jesus sandals, 929 00:53:54,298 --> 00:53:57,468 but older in that manner, just that's what that... 930 00:53:57,468 --> 00:54:00,471 Okay. 931 00:54:00,471 --> 00:54:03,975 I feel comfortable saying that most people who enter into work like this, 932 00:54:03,975 --> 00:54:05,509 definitely, at least at the beginning, 933 00:54:05,509 --> 00:54:06,944 you're like, "Am I making this shit up?" 934 00:54:06,944 --> 00:54:08,746 Right? Um... 935 00:54:08,746 --> 00:54:10,948 And then proof happens, you know. 936 00:54:10,948 --> 00:54:14,485 - WILSON: Does it feel like acting, in a way? - No. 937 00:54:14,485 --> 00:54:18,589 Well... No, no. It's channeling. 938 00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:20,558 WILSON: Is it at all like improv? 939 00:54:20,558 --> 00:54:22,293 Yes. 940 00:54:22,293 --> 00:54:23,828 WILSON: (CHUCKLES SOFTLY) Can you talk a little about that? 941 00:54:23,828 --> 00:54:28,532 Well, because I don't know what is gonna come out of me, like ever. 942 00:54:30,534 --> 00:54:34,372 Yeah, because I don't know what I'm gonna see or hear or smell, you know? 943 00:54:34,372 --> 00:54:35,840 So it really is. 944 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,675 And sometimes, I'll get surprised. 945 00:54:37,675 --> 00:54:41,379 WILSON: How is what you're doing not like theater improv? 946 00:54:43,948 --> 00:54:45,049 That's a really good question. 947 00:54:47,618 --> 00:54:51,555 It's all dipping into like, information, you know, like that 948 00:54:51,555 --> 00:54:54,692 "river or sea of information" that ever is, was, or will be, right? 949 00:54:54,692 --> 00:54:56,027 It's all dipping into that. 950 00:54:56,027 --> 00:54:57,762 Like, in really good improv, 951 00:54:57,762 --> 00:55:01,832 like, those people are absolutely communicating psychically. 952 00:55:03,067 --> 00:55:04,835 WILSON: How do you know that 953 00:55:04,835 --> 00:55:08,072 the things that you're hearing or seeing are not your imagination? 954 00:55:08,072 --> 00:55:09,874 I don't. Right? 955 00:55:09,874 --> 00:55:14,412 And so, like, that doesn't even necessarily mean anything, you know? 956 00:55:14,412 --> 00:55:15,813 Because it's not like... 957 00:55:18,349 --> 00:55:20,484 What is imagination, right? 958 00:55:20,484 --> 00:55:21,986 Like, what is imagination? 959 00:55:23,487 --> 00:55:25,022 Is it arguable that your imagination 960 00:55:25,022 --> 00:55:28,025 is actually just, you know, energetic information? 961 00:55:28,025 --> 00:55:29,760 That you're just processing? 962 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,095 You know? Does it really make a difference? 963 00:55:31,095 --> 00:55:33,330 Is there really a separation? 964 00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:37,001 And if it resonates with the person I'm talking to, 965 00:55:38,335 --> 00:55:39,603 then it doesn't fucking matter. 966 00:55:42,973 --> 00:55:46,877 I've been thinking a lot about the past recently, 967 00:55:46,877 --> 00:55:48,112 and the ways in which 968 00:55:50,581 --> 00:55:53,918 what I'm doing now is supposed to be, maybe not a solution, 969 00:55:53,918 --> 00:55:58,589 but is supposed to resolve, in some ways, 970 00:55:58,589 --> 00:56:01,392 the tensions or problems that happened in the past, 971 00:56:01,392 --> 00:56:03,394 and I think I've been struggling with, 972 00:56:05,529 --> 00:56:08,632 um, how exactly I'm supposed to do that. 973 00:56:08,632 --> 00:56:11,102 So can you be a little more specific? 974 00:56:11,102 --> 00:56:13,804 Because you keep using words like "it" and "things." 975 00:56:13,804 --> 00:56:15,039 (BOTH LAUGH) 976 00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:17,141 No, definitely. Um... 977 00:56:17,141 --> 00:56:19,543 So, my mom sent me something which was really interesting, 978 00:56:19,543 --> 00:56:21,579 which was a... 979 00:56:21,579 --> 00:56:26,517 Basically, a will that was signed in 1860 980 00:56:26,517 --> 00:56:28,986 by the people who owned my family. 981 00:56:28,986 --> 00:56:32,590 And I had my great-great-great... 982 00:56:32,590 --> 00:56:35,593 - Some number of greats grandfather there. - (CHUCKLES) Yes. 983 00:56:35,593 --> 00:56:39,497 And it had, like, a price beside his name. 984 00:56:39,497 --> 00:56:41,932 And for some reason, that price has been sticking with me a lot, 985 00:56:41,932 --> 00:56:45,970 like over the past six, seven days. 986 00:56:45,970 --> 00:56:48,172 - How much was it? - It was $250. 987 00:56:49,540 --> 00:56:52,877 So, you know, it's... I don't know. 988 00:56:52,877 --> 00:56:55,479 For me, it's like that number is hanging in my head. 989 00:56:55,479 --> 00:56:58,149 I'm like, okay, well, how do I either, 990 00:56:58,149 --> 00:57:00,985 like, make good on that, how do I erase that? 991 00:57:00,985 --> 00:57:03,654 - Like, what is that supposed to mean for me? - Oh. 992 00:57:03,654 --> 00:57:06,857 Okay. Close your eyes. 993 00:57:06,857 --> 00:57:08,959 Get comfy, like, you can like, snuggle down 994 00:57:08,959 --> 00:57:10,895 and, you know, lay back if you want. 995 00:57:10,895 --> 00:57:12,930 And you're gonna find your breath, please. 996 00:57:22,740 --> 00:57:26,143 So do you know the name of your great-great-great- great-great-great? 997 00:57:27,044 --> 00:57:28,512 It was Edmund. 998 00:57:29,613 --> 00:57:31,182 Okay, so call that dude in. 999 00:57:32,583 --> 00:57:34,685 Well, he's here. Okay. So... (CHUCKLES) 1000 00:57:34,685 --> 00:57:35,820 Um... 1001 00:57:44,195 --> 00:57:47,731 I mean, it does... He feels to me, he... 1002 00:57:47,731 --> 00:57:51,101 So there's a couple things. One, we can come up with, like, 1003 00:57:51,101 --> 00:57:52,903 a way to sort of 1004 00:57:52,903 --> 00:57:58,509 reframe the weight and the gravity of that $250. 1005 00:57:58,509 --> 00:58:01,145 It could be as simple as a donation, right? 1006 00:58:01,145 --> 00:58:03,581 To something, of that amount of money. 1007 00:58:03,581 --> 00:58:07,585 You know, it could be, I'm going to do some sort of 1008 00:58:07,585 --> 00:58:09,887 like, practice for, like, 250 days. 1009 00:58:09,887 --> 00:58:12,690 So let it be a power number for you, 1010 00:58:12,690 --> 00:58:13,858 'cause right now, it's sort of like... 1011 00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:17,228 Like it's gnawing at your energetic edges. 1012 00:58:18,863 --> 00:58:20,664 So, what he's asking you to do, 1013 00:58:20,664 --> 00:58:23,267 he's just like, "Look, don't... Like, don't let that be a shackle. 1014 00:58:23,267 --> 00:58:25,035 "Come on now." 1015 00:58:25,035 --> 00:58:26,203 Right? 1016 00:58:26,203 --> 00:58:28,138 So take it and turn it into something else. 1017 00:58:30,608 --> 00:58:32,109 Do you feel Great-Great-Great- Great-Great-Great-Great- 1018 00:58:32,109 --> 00:58:33,577 Great-Grandpappy's hand on your back? 1019 00:58:35,246 --> 00:58:37,114 Um... 1020 00:58:37,114 --> 00:58:40,851 No. For some reason, I can see, like, his back. 1021 00:58:40,851 --> 00:58:42,987 Okay. Stick with that. 1022 00:58:48,993 --> 00:58:51,262 So, if I may, 1023 00:58:51,262 --> 00:58:53,530 it feels to me 1024 00:58:53,530 --> 00:58:58,602 like he's saying, "You already have my back." 1025 00:58:58,602 --> 00:59:02,706 So all of this, like... All this sort of story around it, 1026 00:59:02,706 --> 00:59:07,311 and this narrative, and this pressure, right, 1027 00:59:07,311 --> 00:59:11,282 he wants you to know that, like, that's not being applied by him. 1028 00:59:12,683 --> 00:59:15,753 It's so important to them. 1029 00:59:15,753 --> 00:59:18,822 Hold on. I gotta... (SNAPS FINGERS) Whoo. (CHUCKLES) 1030 00:59:18,822 --> 00:59:20,624 It's so important to them. 1031 00:59:20,624 --> 00:59:21,926 Uh... 1032 00:59:22,826 --> 00:59:25,095 That we...(CLEARS THROAT) 1033 00:59:30,267 --> 00:59:32,136 ...define freedom for ourselves. 1034 00:59:33,203 --> 00:59:36,006 Times is different now. Freedoms is different now. 1035 00:59:36,006 --> 00:59:39,777 What is freedom now? What is freedom to you? 1036 00:59:39,777 --> 00:59:41,812 Right? Because they're just like, "Mm-mm. 1037 00:59:41,812 --> 00:59:48,218 "We don't want you to be, like, enslaved to these (EXHALES) concepts, you know, 1038 00:59:48,218 --> 00:59:52,790 "that we were shooting for, like, I don't want you doing the thing 1039 00:59:53,958 --> 00:59:56,026 "that all these other people and all these other stories 1040 00:59:56,026 --> 00:59:59,330 "and all these other narratives and all this other pressure and all these... 1041 00:59:59,330 --> 01:00:03,267 "All these fucking traumatic pieces that keep cutting at us..." 1042 01:00:05,002 --> 01:00:07,137 (SNAPS FINGERS) 1043 01:00:07,137 --> 01:00:09,006 (SNAPS FINGERS) Fuck. (CHUCKLES) 1044 01:00:09,006 --> 01:00:10,307 "...are telling you to do." 1045 01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:17,348 Yeah, he's saying he was free five years after that document. 1046 01:00:17,348 --> 01:00:18,816 Um... 1047 01:00:18,816 --> 01:00:20,317 So why are you still living attached to it? 1048 01:00:20,317 --> 01:00:21,685 Why am I wearing his chains? 1049 01:00:21,685 --> 01:00:23,387 Right? See? 1050 01:00:23,387 --> 01:00:24,955 Go ahead, Grandpappy. 1051 01:00:30,361 --> 01:00:31,729 (EXHALES) 1052 01:00:45,909 --> 01:00:49,213 It's not, you know... It's not entirely selfless, right? 1053 01:00:49,213 --> 01:00:51,215 It's actually not selfless at all. 1054 01:00:51,215 --> 01:00:52,983 Because everybody gets a healing. 1055 01:00:54,718 --> 01:00:59,156 And sometimes, I think healers need the most healing. 1056 01:01:00,891 --> 01:01:01,925 (STATIC CRACKLES) 1057 01:01:03,927 --> 01:01:07,798 Hi. Um, I'm Phoebe. 1058 01:01:09,266 --> 01:01:12,136 Hey. 1059 01:01:12,136 --> 01:01:17,274 I just want to say that life is hard to live it. Fuck. 1060 01:01:17,274 --> 01:01:20,344 Why? Why is it so fucking hard for me? 1061 01:01:20,344 --> 01:01:24,848 Why can't I just be normal and get up in the morning and do shit? 1062 01:01:26,183 --> 01:01:27,317 When is it gonna get better? 1063 01:01:31,121 --> 01:01:34,258 HOFFMAN: In some ways, I was no different 1064 01:01:34,258 --> 01:01:38,929 than I am now, except I'm a lot older, 1065 01:01:38,929 --> 01:01:41,965 and I don't snort cocaine anymore. 1066 01:01:43,434 --> 01:01:46,336 I just see myself, uh, 1067 01:01:46,336 --> 01:01:48,105 sort of drowning in this 1068 01:01:49,940 --> 01:01:54,311 narrative or story of depression and low self-worth. 1069 01:01:54,311 --> 01:01:59,083 And just the idea that I lived that way for all those years, 1070 01:01:59,083 --> 01:02:01,385 in one room with my father. 1071 01:02:01,385 --> 01:02:03,087 I didn't have a bedroom. 1072 01:02:05,789 --> 01:02:07,291 I mean, he would do coke with me. 1073 01:02:09,226 --> 01:02:10,894 He loved it. He used to say, 1074 01:02:10,894 --> 01:02:12,496 (IN NASALLY VOICE) "I always knew I had a child 1075 01:02:12,496 --> 01:02:14,364 "so they could get me good drugs." 1076 01:02:16,133 --> 01:02:18,068 WILSON: What was that like? 1077 01:02:18,068 --> 01:02:21,472 Well, in hindsight, pretty fucked up. 1078 01:02:21,472 --> 01:02:23,107 I'd have to go to high school the next morning. 1079 01:02:23,107 --> 01:02:25,843 He'd be up at 3:00 a.m. with the TV blaring, the light, 1080 01:02:25,843 --> 01:02:28,378 he'd be talking about some woman he fucked in the bathroom, 1081 01:02:28,378 --> 01:02:30,781 'cause that was the only a room anybody could have privacy in, 1082 01:02:30,781 --> 01:02:33,884 and I'd be trying to fall asleep, I had a test in the morning. 1083 01:02:33,884 --> 01:02:35,352 No wonder I couldn't finish high school. 1084 01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:44,428 HOFFMAN: (ON TV) Murder? 1085 01:02:46,363 --> 01:02:48,198 I couldn't 1086 01:02:48,198 --> 01:02:52,336 figure out a way to be part of the world. 1087 01:02:54,204 --> 01:02:56,373 (MELANCHOLY MUSIC PLAYING PLAYING ON TV) 1088 01:03:03,247 --> 01:03:05,282 Most of my life, I was a recluse. 1089 01:03:07,117 --> 01:03:09,419 I hardly went out unless I had to. 1090 01:03:09,419 --> 01:03:11,555 And I did not see people. 1091 01:03:13,924 --> 01:03:17,427 I thought my life would just be living in an apartment, 1092 01:03:17,427 --> 01:03:19,997 not going out, till I died. 1093 01:03:24,334 --> 01:03:26,370 Being as sensitive as I am, 1094 01:03:28,105 --> 01:03:31,808 I thought the human race was not for me. 1095 01:03:40,184 --> 01:03:42,553 I begged my father to see a therapist with me 1096 01:03:42,553 --> 01:03:45,889 'cause I was blaming him for everything. 1097 01:03:45,889 --> 01:03:49,927 And this woman, she said to me, "Look, I'm gonna be honest with you. 1098 01:03:49,927 --> 01:03:51,361 "This is hopeless. 1099 01:03:51,361 --> 01:03:53,430 "Your father will never understand. 1100 01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:56,900 "He'll never take responsibility, accountability. 1101 01:03:56,900 --> 01:03:59,369 "You gotta... You gotta get over this. You gotta move on." 1102 01:03:59,369 --> 01:04:02,105 She said to me, "There's this place by your mother. 1103 01:04:02,105 --> 01:04:03,540 "Doesn't your mother live near this place? 1104 01:04:03,540 --> 01:04:06,343 Kripalu? This is what I'm gonna tell you to do. 1105 01:04:06,343 --> 01:04:08,845 "Go there. Just find a program and go there. 1106 01:04:08,845 --> 01:04:10,447 "I don't care what it is." 1107 01:04:10,447 --> 01:04:12,482 So I went home. I went on the Internet. 1108 01:04:12,482 --> 01:04:13,850 I looked at their website. 1109 01:04:13,850 --> 01:04:15,385 I was totally overwhelmed. 1110 01:04:15,385 --> 01:04:18,088 There must have been 100 programs going on. 1111 01:04:18,088 --> 01:04:21,291 Everything was about yoga, Buddhist meditation. 1112 01:04:21,291 --> 01:04:24,027 Find the inner you, find the joy in your life. 1113 01:04:24,027 --> 01:04:26,263 I mean, I wanted to vomit with this language. 1114 01:04:26,263 --> 01:04:28,131 And then I came across, uh... 1115 01:04:28,131 --> 01:04:30,400 "Wanna psychically communicate with animals?" 1116 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,237 And I thought, "That's weird." 1117 01:04:33,237 --> 01:04:36,006 I said, "Well, if I'm gonna do anything, I guess I would do that." 1118 01:04:37,140 --> 01:04:38,942 And I'm such an animal lover. 1119 01:04:38,942 --> 01:04:41,478 I mean, that's another part of all these years of isolation. 1120 01:04:41,478 --> 01:04:43,513 I was devastated over the treatment, 1121 01:04:43,513 --> 01:04:47,351 between factory farms and just the lack of respect. 1122 01:04:47,351 --> 01:04:49,920 So I just thought, "What the hell? Let me try." 1123 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,922 Go in there and see what it's like. 1124 01:04:51,922 --> 01:04:53,523 I went in, 1125 01:04:53,523 --> 01:04:56,326 and all of a sudden, everybody in the class was going, 1126 01:04:56,326 --> 01:04:58,895 "Oh, my God, how do you know that about me? 1127 01:04:58,895 --> 01:05:00,964 "How do you know that about my animal? 1128 01:05:00,964 --> 01:05:02,566 "You just described my living room. 1129 01:05:02,566 --> 01:05:04,301 "You just described my coffee table." 1130 01:05:04,301 --> 01:05:07,170 I remember, like the first month, 1131 01:05:07,170 --> 01:05:12,242 I diagnosed a UTI in a cat. Um... 1132 01:05:12,242 --> 01:05:16,947 I never really thought I could do anything in the world. 1133 01:05:18,215 --> 01:05:19,349 Really. 1134 01:05:21,018 --> 01:05:24,454 And not that I thought I could really do this, either. 1135 01:05:24,454 --> 01:05:28,525 But I was hearing such great feedback. 1136 01:05:28,525 --> 01:05:31,662 And it was a way I thought, out of my situation, which it was. 1137 01:05:31,662 --> 01:05:34,398 And I don't just mean monetarily or anything. 1138 01:05:34,398 --> 01:05:36,700 Well, that wasn't even a thing. It was... 1139 01:05:36,700 --> 01:05:38,635 I was so down on humanity. 1140 01:05:38,635 --> 01:05:43,106 And then I saw this whole group of people that 1141 01:05:44,975 --> 01:05:47,711 had the sensitivity and the empathy. 1142 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,415 And it was such a revelation for me. 1143 01:06:01,325 --> 01:06:05,662 Okay, so the first thing that comes through about you, Ivalee, 1144 01:06:07,631 --> 01:06:10,734 is you easily feel pain. 1145 01:06:10,734 --> 01:06:15,339 And pain is something that has been a theme throughout your life. 1146 01:06:15,339 --> 01:06:19,142 But it's almost this feeling like you feel defeated, 1147 01:06:19,142 --> 01:06:22,179 like it's so painful, the disappointment. 1148 01:06:22,179 --> 01:06:23,613 And you've just retreated. 1149 01:06:23,613 --> 01:06:27,050 It's like you've pulled back and said, "No more. I'm done." 1150 01:06:27,050 --> 01:06:29,152 Like, "I can't do this anymore. I'm out." 1151 01:06:30,354 --> 01:06:31,722 Yeah. 1152 01:06:33,090 --> 01:06:35,726 Okay. So... 1153 01:06:35,726 --> 01:06:38,462 I'm going to now bring in your animal. What's the name? 1154 01:06:38,462 --> 01:06:39,763 Zeus. 1155 01:06:39,763 --> 01:06:41,565 And what kind of animal? 1156 01:06:41,565 --> 01:06:42,632 Dog. 1157 01:06:42,632 --> 01:06:43,567 Alive or passed away? 1158 01:06:44,434 --> 01:06:45,502 I don't know. 1159 01:06:45,502 --> 01:06:48,171 You don't know? Okay. 1160 01:06:48,171 --> 01:06:50,240 Let me take a moment and connect with Zeus. 1161 01:06:55,312 --> 01:06:57,547 It's very quiet. There's something very... 1162 01:06:59,516 --> 01:07:02,786 It almost feels like he was quiet, I'm getting, 1163 01:07:02,786 --> 01:07:07,724 because he wanted to be this soul to hold space for you, 1164 01:07:07,724 --> 01:07:10,160 because he's saying that that's something 1165 01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,196 you've needed a lot in your life and you have not gotten. 1166 01:07:15,766 --> 01:07:17,300 And there's something here about danger, 1167 01:07:17,300 --> 01:07:19,669 and I'm just gonna say this, that... 1168 01:07:21,505 --> 01:07:24,641 He's saying that you had very predatory people 1169 01:07:24,641 --> 01:07:26,576 latch on to you and manipulate you. 1170 01:07:28,745 --> 01:07:29,679 Wow. 1171 01:07:31,448 --> 01:07:34,818 He's saying that people have really broken your trust. 1172 01:07:36,553 --> 01:07:40,390 And at times it's even worse than being physically hurt, 1173 01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:41,792 the emotional pain. 1174 01:07:46,430 --> 01:07:50,133 You were spot on about the trauma. 1175 01:07:50,133 --> 01:07:54,671 I was in an abusive relationship when I got Zeus. 1176 01:07:54,671 --> 01:07:56,573 And he 1177 01:07:56,573 --> 01:08:00,744 got to witness a lot of the physical and the verbal, and the crying. 1178 01:08:00,744 --> 01:08:06,082 I would lock myself in the garage with him and just cry. 1179 01:08:06,082 --> 01:08:09,252 And he would just sit there and just put his head on my shoulder. 1180 01:08:09,252 --> 01:08:10,420 'Cause he was huge. (CHUCKLES SOFTLY) 1181 01:08:10,420 --> 01:08:12,789 So he would just be like this big teddy bear. 1182 01:08:14,291 --> 01:08:17,727 And he definitely tried to protect me 1183 01:08:17,727 --> 01:08:19,696 from the physical attacks. 1184 01:08:19,696 --> 01:08:20,764 HOFFMAN: Mm-hmm. 1185 01:08:20,764 --> 01:08:22,098 On multiple occasions. 1186 01:08:23,667 --> 01:08:28,472 He... I think he kept me alive during those times. 1187 01:08:35,545 --> 01:08:37,781 So do you have a question for Zeus? 1188 01:08:38,849 --> 01:08:39,883 Is he okay? 1189 01:08:47,791 --> 01:08:52,429 Okay, so I know you said you don't know if he's alive or passed away. 1190 01:08:55,465 --> 01:08:57,400 He's definitely okay, 1191 01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:00,237 but... And I... You know, I can't say this with certainty, 1192 01:09:00,237 --> 01:09:02,739 but what I'm getting is that he has passed away. 1193 01:09:04,274 --> 01:09:05,475 That's what I am feeling. 1194 01:09:12,749 --> 01:09:14,551 (BELL TOLLING IN DISTANCE) 1195 01:09:32,235 --> 01:09:34,905 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1196 01:09:34,905 --> 01:09:37,274 GRYGO: When I do the message circles, 1197 01:09:37,274 --> 01:09:42,913 almost all messages have to deal with with loss, with the loss of that person, 1198 01:09:42,913 --> 01:09:45,749 and the status of the relationship 1199 01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:49,185 when the person crossed over. 1200 01:09:49,185 --> 01:09:51,454 Like you said, it's hard not to 1201 01:09:51,454 --> 01:09:53,957 be, you know, gushing tears. (CHUCKLES) 1202 01:09:53,957 --> 01:09:56,259 - Yeah, really... - It's really hard. 1203 01:09:56,259 --> 01:09:57,794 And you have to, like... (SWALLOWS) 1204 01:09:57,794 --> 01:09:59,362 Yeah, and it's weird, because you have to... 1205 01:09:59,362 --> 01:10:01,264 You have to allow yourself to feel it, 1206 01:10:01,264 --> 01:10:02,899 but not to the point where you lose control. 1207 01:10:02,899 --> 01:10:04,701 Yeah, that feeling is always difficult 1208 01:10:04,701 --> 01:10:07,904 because you can feel almost as if it's your person... 1209 01:10:07,904 --> 01:10:09,506 - Mm-hmm. - ...that has been lost. 1210 01:10:15,912 --> 01:10:17,213 WILSON: What was Johnny like? 1211 01:10:18,381 --> 01:10:20,383 He was a loner. 1212 01:10:20,383 --> 01:10:24,387 It was like the song Desperado by the Eagles would describe some, 1213 01:10:24,387 --> 01:10:27,524 you know, pretty much a loner. He did his own thing. 1214 01:10:27,524 --> 01:10:30,794 Uh, he... You know, he was an addict. 1215 01:10:30,794 --> 01:10:32,629 He was addicted to alcohol and drugs. 1216 01:10:33,964 --> 01:10:35,332 And, uh... 1217 01:10:36,533 --> 01:10:38,435 It caused a lot of problems. 1218 01:10:39,269 --> 01:10:40,770 For the family. 1219 01:10:40,770 --> 01:10:42,839 And I think I have a lot of guilt about the fighting 1220 01:10:42,839 --> 01:10:44,741 and the anger. (SNIFFLES) 1221 01:10:44,741 --> 01:10:46,843 And that we were so different. 1222 01:10:46,843 --> 01:10:47,978 So very different. 1223 01:10:47,978 --> 01:10:48,979 Uh... 1224 01:10:50,914 --> 01:10:54,584 I remember one time, we were all learning ice skating, 1225 01:10:54,584 --> 01:10:56,019 and, uh... (GRUNTS) 1226 01:10:57,621 --> 01:10:59,255 And he kind of gave up. 1227 01:10:59,255 --> 01:11:01,491 You know, it was an ice skating rink and so forth. 1228 01:11:01,491 --> 01:11:03,560 And I kept falling down. (CHUCKLES) But I just... 1229 01:11:04,928 --> 01:11:06,896 You know, I guess I'm too stupid to stop. 1230 01:11:06,896 --> 01:11:09,933 I just got up and then, eventually, got it. 1231 01:11:09,933 --> 01:11:13,570 And just, eventually, figured out how to ice skate. 1232 01:11:13,570 --> 01:11:16,873 But he was like... You know. Uh... 1233 01:11:18,041 --> 01:11:20,276 Part of him would give up, 1234 01:11:20,276 --> 01:11:22,646 and that was hard to accept. 1235 01:11:25,982 --> 01:11:28,718 I loved him, you know? They just give up sometimes. 1236 01:11:42,766 --> 01:11:49,639 (DOING THROAT EXERCISES) 1237 01:11:49,639 --> 01:11:51,408 Let's take it up a little bit higher. 1238 01:11:51,408 --> 01:11:56,046 (DOING THROAT EXERCISES) 1239 01:11:56,946 --> 01:12:02,085 (DOING THROAT EXERCISES) 1240 01:12:02,085 --> 01:12:03,787 Now all the vowels. 1241 01:12:03,787 --> 01:12:08,692 Nice big smile. Give me, "A E I O U, A E I O U, A E I O U." 1242 01:12:08,692 --> 01:12:11,861 A E I O U, A E I O U. Sorry. 1243 01:12:11,861 --> 01:12:16,366 Ai yi yi yi yi. 1244 01:12:17,434 --> 01:12:20,937 (BOTH CONTINUING THROAT EXERCISES) 1245 01:12:29,813 --> 01:12:31,448 Good. Great. 1246 01:12:31,448 --> 01:12:33,683 A little stretch. Feels good. 1247 01:12:33,683 --> 01:12:34,851 (PLAYING PIANO) 1248 01:12:34,851 --> 01:12:40,690 ♪ There are places I remember 1249 01:12:40,690 --> 01:12:43,993 ♪ All my life 1250 01:12:43,993 --> 01:12:46,830 ♪ Though some have changed 1251 01:12:46,830 --> 01:12:52,068 ♪ Some forever but not for better 1252 01:12:52,068 --> 01:12:57,807 ♪ Some have gone and some remain 1253 01:12:57,807 --> 01:13:03,713 ♪ All these places had their moments 1254 01:13:03,713 --> 01:13:09,119 ♪ With lovers and friends I still can recall 1255 01:13:09,119 --> 01:13:15,091 ♪ Some are dead and some are living 1256 01:13:15,091 --> 01:13:21,631 ♪ In my life I've loved them all 1257 01:13:21,631 --> 01:13:23,133 - I made a mistake. Sorry. - Okay. 1258 01:13:24,167 --> 01:13:25,168 That's right. 1259 01:13:26,169 --> 01:13:29,038 - That's right. - Okay. 1260 01:13:29,038 --> 01:13:30,140 Yeah. 1261 01:13:36,846 --> 01:13:39,749 This is Mother. 1262 01:13:39,749 --> 01:13:44,788 Clearly, on, um, a shelf by herself in the middle, 1263 01:13:44,788 --> 01:13:46,189 because, I mean, she's queen. 1264 01:13:46,189 --> 01:13:48,057 She is queen. 1265 01:13:48,057 --> 01:13:49,993 If there's a fire, that's one of the first things I'm grabbing, okay? 1266 01:13:53,930 --> 01:13:56,800 I was not there physically when my mother transitioned. 1267 01:13:58,902 --> 01:14:01,538 I saw my mother the day before she transitioned, 1268 01:14:01,538 --> 01:14:03,807 and I could not feel death. 1269 01:14:03,807 --> 01:14:06,009 I didn't see it. None of it. 1270 01:14:06,009 --> 01:14:07,677 I think that was by design, though. 1271 01:14:07,677 --> 01:14:10,013 I think, um, 1272 01:14:10,013 --> 01:14:12,015 Spirit knew that I could not have handled that. 1273 01:14:15,952 --> 01:14:17,854 She was my best friend. 1274 01:14:17,854 --> 01:14:23,793 We talked every single day, multiple times a day, 1275 01:14:23,793 --> 01:14:25,962 and I didn't talk to her that Wednesday. 1276 01:14:25,962 --> 01:14:27,931 I tried, but she just, like, didn't answer her phone. 1277 01:14:27,931 --> 01:14:29,499 And I was like, "Well, maybe she's busy." 1278 01:14:29,499 --> 01:14:33,570 And I get to work and then my cousin calls me. 1279 01:14:33,570 --> 01:14:37,574 (EXHALES) You know, who... Who makes phone calls? 1280 01:14:37,574 --> 01:14:39,742 You know? In this day and age. 1281 01:14:39,742 --> 01:14:41,244 And I knew something was wrong. 1282 01:14:41,244 --> 01:14:43,880 And that's when I got the phone call. Yeah. 1283 01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:48,117 And this tattoo is dedicated to that experience as well. 1284 01:14:48,117 --> 01:14:50,687 I got the phone call at 9:00 a.m. 1285 01:14:50,687 --> 01:14:54,657 And so that's what... That's what that time symbolizes here. 1286 01:14:54,657 --> 01:14:56,893 You know, I collapsed to the floor. 1287 01:14:56,893 --> 01:15:01,631 They had to, um... They had to Uber me home. 1288 01:15:01,631 --> 01:15:04,534 I remember the admin asked me my address, 1289 01:15:04,534 --> 01:15:06,836 and I couldn't, like, I couldn't remember my address. 1290 01:15:06,836 --> 01:15:09,172 (STAMMERS) You don't think. You don't... 1291 01:15:09,172 --> 01:15:12,876 You're not prepared, there's no amount of preparation. 1292 01:15:12,876 --> 01:15:16,880 And I was back in Oklahoma that very next day. 1293 01:15:19,916 --> 01:15:22,919 I have a feeling she was hiding. 1294 01:15:24,287 --> 01:15:26,089 Maybe, how sick she was. 1295 01:15:26,089 --> 01:15:28,758 I have a feeling, um, it has not been confirmed. 1296 01:15:28,758 --> 01:15:31,661 I've asked her many times since I've been in Spirit. 1297 01:15:31,661 --> 01:15:32,829 She will not tell me. 1298 01:15:32,829 --> 01:15:34,163 She will not tell any other psychic 1299 01:15:34,163 --> 01:15:35,899 or medium that that I go to. 1300 01:15:35,899 --> 01:15:39,135 Um, very mum about that. 1301 01:15:39,135 --> 01:15:42,272 I did beat myself up 'cause I thought I should have known beforehand. 1302 01:15:47,277 --> 01:15:48,544 No one knew. 1303 01:15:49,545 --> 01:15:51,648 No one knew. Yeah. 1304 01:15:51,648 --> 01:15:54,150 - WILSON: You're always comforting other people. - Yes. 1305 01:15:54,150 --> 01:15:56,686 WILSON: I'm wondering who comforts you. 1306 01:15:56,686 --> 01:15:59,822 (CLICKS TONGUE) Oh... that's the... 1307 01:16:02,125 --> 01:16:04,761 Never-ending question. (CHUCKLES) 1308 01:16:04,761 --> 01:16:05,795 Um... 1309 01:16:08,731 --> 01:16:10,233 (CLICKS TONGUE) It's still a work-in-progress. 1310 01:16:10,233 --> 01:16:12,936 That's still a work-in-progress. 1311 01:16:12,936 --> 01:16:14,003 We're still figuring that out. 1312 01:16:26,182 --> 01:16:29,052 Okay. Um... 1313 01:16:29,052 --> 01:16:32,655 Spirit does want to talk about the family dynamic, and, um... 1314 01:16:40,263 --> 01:16:42,298 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So I'm seeing... 1315 01:16:46,903 --> 01:16:51,341 There's other children on the other side 1316 01:16:51,341 --> 01:16:53,743 that didn't make it on this side. 1317 01:16:53,743 --> 01:16:55,211 MAN: Wow. 1318 01:16:55,211 --> 01:16:57,313 Okay, I see two of them. 1319 01:16:57,313 --> 01:16:59,115 MAN: Wow. Wow. HALL: Okay. Okay. 1320 01:16:59,115 --> 01:17:00,650 They've been... Okay. Great. Yes. 1321 01:17:00,650 --> 01:17:03,019 They've been here. They came to me last night. 1322 01:17:03,019 --> 01:17:06,322 So they've been running around, and they... (GIGGLES) 1323 01:17:06,322 --> 01:17:07,757 MAN: Wow. HALL: Yes. Okay. 1324 01:17:07,757 --> 01:17:08,858 They... 1325 01:17:11,327 --> 01:17:14,230 They're a part. They're a part of the unit. 1326 01:17:14,230 --> 01:17:15,898 They're a part of the unit. 1327 01:17:15,898 --> 01:17:18,001 - They're actually the extension on the other side. -MAN: Ooh. 1328 01:17:18,001 --> 01:17:19,102 And you can access them. 1329 01:17:19,102 --> 01:17:21,838 You, particularly, can access them. 1330 01:17:21,838 --> 01:17:24,674 Okay? Particularly, you can access them. 1331 01:17:24,674 --> 01:17:26,042 (SNIFFLES) 1332 01:17:26,042 --> 01:17:28,745 And it feels like you feel them. It... Yes. Okay. 1333 01:17:28,745 --> 01:17:30,246 And not, um... 1334 01:17:31,414 --> 01:17:33,950 Not natural mother... 1335 01:17:33,950 --> 01:17:36,686 It's... Spirit... Like you feel... Yes. 1336 01:17:36,686 --> 01:17:40,289 And I feel like they even walk around 1337 01:17:40,289 --> 01:17:42,425 - the house. - The house? 1338 01:17:42,425 --> 01:17:44,794 - (LAUGHS) -Yes. Yeah, it feels like they walk around the house. 1339 01:17:44,794 --> 01:17:47,230 Okay? Okay. Yeah, it feels like they walk around the house. 1340 01:17:47,230 --> 01:17:52,268 Swaha, you will feel these souls soon. 1341 01:17:52,268 --> 01:17:54,137 SWAHA: I already have. 1342 01:17:54,137 --> 01:17:55,772 Well, my God. Okay. 1343 01:17:55,772 --> 01:17:58,908 Well, they will be with you for a very long time. 1344 01:18:01,044 --> 01:18:02,879 They're not going anywhere. 1345 01:18:02,879 --> 01:18:04,714 I've been scared of them for a long time, 1346 01:18:04,714 --> 01:18:06,115 and then I've embraced them. 1347 01:18:06,115 --> 01:18:07,350 Mm. 1348 01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:09,719 HALL: Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 1349 01:18:09,719 --> 01:18:12,055 I slept in my parent's bed for a while because of this. 1350 01:18:12,055 --> 01:18:15,758 HALL: (CLICKS TONGUE) Well, well... Uh-huh. 1351 01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,930 They were... They said they were being playful. 1352 01:18:20,930 --> 01:18:25,435 They understood it's, like, different on the Earth plane. 1353 01:18:25,435 --> 01:18:28,438 They did not mean to scare by any means. 1354 01:18:28,438 --> 01:18:31,774 They were being playful, very playful and loving. 1355 01:18:31,774 --> 01:18:34,043 Oh! Um... Mm-hmm. 1356 01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,314 So, like I said, there's two. 1357 01:18:38,314 --> 01:18:43,152 The older one is saying there was nothing you could have done. 1358 01:18:43,152 --> 01:18:44,387 (SOBBING) 1359 01:18:44,387 --> 01:18:49,058 HALL: There's nothing. It was designed as so. 1360 01:18:49,058 --> 01:18:51,427 There was nothing. Um... 1361 01:18:52,829 --> 01:18:54,230 So don't carry that. 1362 01:18:54,230 --> 01:18:56,265 That doesn't... Don't carry that. 1363 01:19:13,082 --> 01:19:15,384 (BREATHING DEEPLY) 1364 01:19:32,001 --> 01:19:34,437 (HALL EXHALES DEEPLY) 1365 01:19:50,953 --> 01:19:53,356 - His name is Bobby, Jr. - HOFFMAN: Bobby, Jr, okay. 1366 01:19:53,356 --> 01:19:57,326 - He is a bearded dragon, a lizard. - Oh! 1367 01:19:57,326 --> 01:20:00,296 After three years together, I donated Bobby to the school 1368 01:20:00,296 --> 01:20:01,998 - 'cause I couldn't take care of him anymore. - Mm-hmm. 1369 01:20:01,998 --> 01:20:04,800 But I was keeping in touch with the school, 1370 01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,570 and, like, seeing him every now and again. 1371 01:20:07,570 --> 01:20:11,507 But then, after COVID, they had to take all the animals, 1372 01:20:11,507 --> 01:20:14,977 and so, the zookeeper took the animals to her home in New Jersey. 1373 01:20:14,977 --> 01:20:16,879 I asked if I could visit him, 1374 01:20:16,879 --> 01:20:18,247 or I could see him, 1375 01:20:18,247 --> 01:20:19,949 and she said that she wasn't comfortable with that. 1376 01:20:19,949 --> 01:20:21,984 - Then I said, "Oh, okay." - Okay. 1377 01:20:21,984 --> 01:20:23,586 So I sort of left it at that. 1378 01:20:23,586 --> 01:20:26,055 - All right, so I'm just going to take a moment. - Yeah. 1379 01:20:26,055 --> 01:20:27,957 And just connect with Bobby, Jr. 1380 01:20:27,957 --> 01:20:30,259 (INHALES) 1381 01:20:30,259 --> 01:20:31,894 (EXHALES DEEPLY) 1382 01:20:33,429 --> 01:20:35,431 I get that he's very well taken care of 1383 01:20:35,431 --> 01:20:38,467 as far as feeding, having his area cleaned. 1384 01:20:38,467 --> 01:20:41,304 But from Bobby's point of view, 1385 01:20:41,304 --> 01:20:44,040 she's totally different than you. 1386 01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,109 Completely different affect. Different mood. 1387 01:20:47,109 --> 01:20:49,979 Is he happy there? 1388 01:20:49,979 --> 01:20:51,214 Or how is he... 1389 01:20:51,214 --> 01:20:52,848 And, like, emotionally? 1390 01:20:52,848 --> 01:20:54,483 How is he feeling over there? 1391 01:20:57,553 --> 01:21:00,990 You know, I don't get that he's unhappy. 1392 01:21:00,990 --> 01:21:05,328 I get that he doesn't have as much physical contact with a person. 1393 01:21:05,328 --> 01:21:08,631 They don't have the same emotional connection that the two of you had. 1394 01:21:08,631 --> 01:21:11,400 Does he have any sort of 1395 01:21:14,170 --> 01:21:16,405 yearning for me to sort of, like, 1396 01:21:16,405 --> 01:21:18,874 try and get in contact again, 1397 01:21:18,874 --> 01:21:20,376 and reach out again, because... 1398 01:21:20,376 --> 01:21:24,213 - (HOFFMAN SIGHS) - I don't know if I should just leave it, or... 1399 01:21:26,515 --> 01:21:27,984 It's done. 1400 01:21:27,984 --> 01:21:29,885 - Yeah? - That part is done. 1401 01:21:29,885 --> 01:21:31,120 That's what I get from him. 1402 01:21:32,922 --> 01:21:34,523 You know, the thing about animals are, 1403 01:21:36,392 --> 01:21:39,161 even after they're not with us, 1404 01:21:39,161 --> 01:21:42,131 they're still with us in a different way. 1405 01:21:42,131 --> 01:21:45,067 The relationship isn't dead because you've parted. 1406 01:21:45,067 --> 01:21:46,402 It's just like two people who part. 1407 01:21:46,402 --> 01:21:48,204 There's still... 1408 01:21:48,204 --> 01:21:50,273 There's still feelings, there's still emotions. 1409 01:21:50,273 --> 01:21:52,341 There's still something higher 1410 01:21:52,341 --> 01:21:54,577 than can even be described going on 1411 01:21:54,577 --> 01:21:56,045 because he's still affecting you, 1412 01:21:56,045 --> 01:21:57,146 and that's what it comes down to. 1413 01:21:57,146 --> 01:21:58,547 You're affected. 1414 01:21:58,547 --> 01:22:02,285 And his life and his purpose with you wasn't for nothing. 1415 01:22:02,285 --> 01:22:04,620 It... It taught you things. 1416 01:22:16,999 --> 01:22:22,571 BORJA: This time of the year feels full of longing and missing. 1417 01:22:22,571 --> 01:22:28,978 My best friend, Alex, died almost two years ago from today. 1418 01:22:30,446 --> 01:22:32,682 (VIDEO PLAYING OVER PHONE) 1419 01:22:32,682 --> 01:22:34,717 (MEN CHATTERING ON VIDEO) 1420 01:22:36,152 --> 01:22:38,054 (CHUCKLES) 1421 01:22:38,054 --> 01:22:39,488 MAN: Oh, my God! 1422 01:22:42,358 --> 01:22:44,026 (MEN LAUGHING ON VIDEO) 1423 01:22:44,727 --> 01:22:45,728 (VIDEO STOPS) 1424 01:23:02,211 --> 01:23:03,713 BORJA: I just remember 1425 01:23:06,115 --> 01:23:08,351 I spent a week with him in the hospital. 1426 01:23:12,355 --> 01:23:15,391 It's like you wish, and you hope, and you pray, 1427 01:23:15,391 --> 01:23:17,560 and you try to keep positive, 1428 01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:21,564 and I lead meditations and healing circles 1429 01:23:21,564 --> 01:23:23,432 with our friends and family for him, 1430 01:23:23,432 --> 01:23:25,735 with that all I would lay my hands on him 1431 01:23:25,735 --> 01:23:27,670 and channel energy. 1432 01:23:30,673 --> 01:23:32,441 It's like, why didn't it fucking work? 1433 01:23:36,712 --> 01:23:39,315 It's interesting, working as a medium, 1434 01:23:39,315 --> 01:23:43,319 because people think that we know everything, and we 1435 01:23:43,319 --> 01:23:46,088 know all the answers, and we know why things happen. 1436 01:23:46,088 --> 01:23:47,156 But we're... 1437 01:23:48,257 --> 01:23:50,359 Maybe we can peek around the corner, 1438 01:23:50,359 --> 01:23:54,597 and maybe we can see a few feet ahead of people, 1439 01:23:54,597 --> 01:23:57,533 but when it comes to our own lives, 1440 01:23:57,533 --> 01:24:01,637 and when it comes to things we're emotionally attached to, 1441 01:24:01,637 --> 01:24:03,406 we're just as blind. 1442 01:24:11,247 --> 01:24:14,283 Terrible things happen that we have no control over. 1443 01:24:15,384 --> 01:24:22,158 And there's almost a sense of futility in it. 1444 01:24:46,282 --> 01:24:47,316 (HALL EXHALES) 1445 01:24:47,316 --> 01:24:50,586 Divine Spirit, we are... Mm. 1446 01:24:50,586 --> 01:24:53,322 We are thankful for this time that we get to come together. 1447 01:24:54,657 --> 01:24:57,159 We never take these moments for granted. 1448 01:24:58,561 --> 01:25:01,630 We never take these moments lightly. 1449 01:25:01,630 --> 01:25:06,202 We asked for your highest white light of protection. 1450 01:25:06,202 --> 01:25:09,705 We welcome our spirit guides, our transitioned loved ones, 1451 01:25:09,705 --> 01:25:12,341 angels and deities to be in the midst. 1452 01:25:12,341 --> 01:25:15,244 We ask for our spirit teachers and chemists 1453 01:25:15,244 --> 01:25:19,515 to hold the vibration and to support us. 1454 01:25:19,515 --> 01:25:25,654 We know that we are here to live and walk in our purpose. 1455 01:25:25,654 --> 01:25:28,324 And we ask that you show up in the midst. 1456 01:25:29,258 --> 01:25:31,694 It's with a humbled heart, 1457 01:25:31,694 --> 01:25:33,896 a heart of love and a heart of thanks. 1458 01:25:33,896 --> 01:25:35,364 Amen. 1459 01:25:35,364 --> 01:25:36,632 Amen and amen. 1460 01:25:44,773 --> 01:25:46,509 Per, may I come to you? 1461 01:25:46,509 --> 01:25:47,743 - Yes. - Okay. 1462 01:25:48,744 --> 01:25:50,579 Okay, so what I'm getting, 1463 01:25:50,579 --> 01:25:54,250 there is such a deep pain and struggle, 1464 01:25:54,250 --> 01:25:56,151 and it is so intense. 1465 01:25:56,151 --> 01:25:57,753 You're so gentle, 1466 01:25:57,753 --> 01:26:01,390 and your sensitivity Is quite unique, 1467 01:26:01,390 --> 01:26:05,661 and in order to preserve this, you have to stay guarded. 1468 01:26:05,661 --> 01:26:07,730 You cannot be open all the time. 1469 01:26:07,730 --> 01:26:11,333 It's too hard. It's too difficult. 1470 01:26:11,333 --> 01:26:13,569 And it will eat away at you. 1471 01:26:13,569 --> 01:26:15,704 - Does this make sense? - BORJA: Yeah. 1472 01:26:22,578 --> 01:26:28,951 I just... I was having a really hard and dark 1473 01:26:30,419 --> 01:26:32,388 past couple of weeks. 1474 01:26:34,223 --> 01:26:38,894 I have, like, fantasies of leaving this Earth. 1475 01:26:41,230 --> 01:26:42,865 I'm not gonna do anything to myself. 1476 01:26:42,865 --> 01:26:46,569 But if, like, a car hit me on the way home. 1477 01:26:46,569 --> 01:26:48,304 I wouldn't... 1478 01:26:48,304 --> 01:26:51,473 I wouldn't be so mad at it. 1479 01:26:53,375 --> 01:26:55,878 I don't know, it's like I'm... 1480 01:26:55,878 --> 01:26:58,347 Yeah, intense pain, absolutely. 1481 01:26:58,347 --> 01:26:59,582 And I don't know where that came from. 1482 01:26:59,582 --> 01:27:03,852 Maybe I'm absorbing a lot of things. 1483 01:27:07,389 --> 01:27:11,293 I'd love to see if anyone could connect to someone I lost. 1484 01:27:12,227 --> 01:27:14,897 My best friend, Alex. 1485 01:27:20,903 --> 01:27:23,706 SHERRIE: I feel presence here. 1486 01:27:23,706 --> 01:27:26,809 - Did he ever wear jeans jackets? - All the time. 1487 01:27:26,809 --> 01:27:28,877 Did he have a good sense of humor? 1488 01:27:28,877 --> 01:27:30,646 - Incredible sense... Yeah. - I see him laughing. 1489 01:27:30,646 --> 01:27:32,514 - Yeah. - Yeah, he's right here. 1490 01:27:32,514 --> 01:27:33,849 (LAUGHS) 1491 01:27:33,849 --> 01:27:34,917 SHERRIE: Yeah. 1492 01:27:36,318 --> 01:27:39,021 He is saying to me, 1493 01:27:39,021 --> 01:27:43,325 "I have so much deep things that I want to say to him. 1494 01:27:43,325 --> 01:27:45,527 "And my friend is hurting." 1495 01:27:45,527 --> 01:27:48,030 And so one of his priorities right now 1496 01:27:48,030 --> 01:27:51,600 is to remind you of, like, joy. 1497 01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,469 If you want to go out, he'll go with you. 1498 01:27:53,469 --> 01:27:55,638 - He's like, "I'll be your wingman." - Yeah. 1499 01:27:55,638 --> 01:28:00,976 So, he's really encouraging you to, like... 1500 01:28:00,976 --> 01:28:04,313 As dark as things are, because they are, right? 1501 01:28:04,313 --> 01:28:06,548 And as bleak as they feel, because they do. 1502 01:28:06,548 --> 01:28:08,651 You still have a body, you're still here, 1503 01:28:08,651 --> 01:28:10,953 you're still well, you're still, you know, like, 1504 01:28:10,953 --> 01:28:14,356 sufficiently able to go out, 1505 01:28:14,356 --> 01:28:20,462 and, like, remember how enjoyable it can be to have a human experience. 1506 01:28:24,933 --> 01:28:27,603 HALL: All right, let's take a breath. Let's take a breath. 1507 01:28:27,603 --> 01:28:29,405 Come on, let's take a breath. (BREATHES DEEPLY) 1508 01:28:31,073 --> 01:28:32,608 Right, Earth is hard. 1509 01:28:32,608 --> 01:28:34,443 Earth is hard, Earth is hard. 1510 01:28:34,443 --> 01:28:35,844 - We know this. Earth is hard. - (EXHALES) 1511 01:28:35,844 --> 01:28:37,379 Let's take another breath. 1512 01:28:37,379 --> 01:28:39,048 (ALL TAKE DEEP BREATH) 1513 01:28:48,524 --> 01:28:50,426 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 1514 01:28:54,530 --> 01:28:56,899 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 1515 01:29:10,412 --> 01:29:12,681 - MICHAEL: Hi. How are you? - Hi. Good. 1516 01:29:12,681 --> 01:29:14,116 My name is Michael. Nice to meet you. 1517 01:29:14,116 --> 01:29:16,819 Nice to meet... We went to school together. 1518 01:29:16,819 --> 01:29:18,420 - We went to school together? - Strasberg? 1519 01:29:20,122 --> 01:29:22,357 - What's your name? - Catherine. 1520 01:29:22,357 --> 01:29:24,493 - Holy shit! - (CATHERINE LAUGHS) 1521 01:29:24,493 --> 01:29:26,395 Am I allowed to say that on camera? 1522 01:29:26,395 --> 01:29:27,830 CATHERINE: Oh, my goodness. 1523 01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:29,965 - Oh, my God. How are you doing? - Good. 1524 01:29:29,965 --> 01:29:31,767 - Can I give you a hug? - Yeah, you can. (LAUGHS) 1525 01:29:31,767 --> 01:29:33,969 - Oh, my... - That's insane. 1526 01:29:33,969 --> 01:29:35,571 - What? - Hi. 1527 01:29:35,571 --> 01:29:37,673 - What is this? Oh, my God. Wow. - Yeah, it's so great. 1528 01:29:37,673 --> 01:29:39,875 I didn't recognize you, because you used to have blonde hair, right? 1529 01:29:39,875 --> 01:29:40,943 I did, yeah. 1530 01:29:40,943 --> 01:29:42,611 - Oh, man! - Holy goodness! 1531 01:29:42,611 --> 01:29:44,513 - What the... - I know. 1532 01:29:44,513 --> 01:29:47,082 Um, wow! 1533 01:29:47,082 --> 01:29:48,751 Okay, wasn't expecting that. 1534 01:29:48,751 --> 01:29:50,652 CATHERINE: Neither was I. Wow. 1535 01:29:50,652 --> 01:29:52,788 Um... 1536 01:29:52,788 --> 01:29:56,058 Yeah. This is obviously something, at Strasberg, that I did not... 1537 01:29:56,058 --> 01:29:57,626 - (LAUGHS) - CATHERINE: Right. 1538 01:29:57,626 --> 01:30:00,095 ...like, go around telling people that I did, you know? 1539 01:30:00,095 --> 01:30:02,397 Oh, so you were doing it, like, even then? 1540 01:30:02,397 --> 01:30:04,700 - Uh, not professionally. - Oh, okay. 1541 01:30:04,700 --> 01:30:08,604 It's only been like in the past, like, four or five years 1542 01:30:08,604 --> 01:30:10,539 - that I've been doing it, like, professionally. - Wow. 1543 01:30:10,539 --> 01:30:13,876 But I'm still, like, working towards the acting, though. 1544 01:30:13,876 --> 01:30:16,044 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, for sure. I understand that. 1545 01:30:16,044 --> 01:30:19,548 Yeah. Interestingly enough, I'm sure you remember Brian Buzzard. 1546 01:30:19,548 --> 01:30:21,450 That's... Yeah. 1547 01:30:21,450 --> 01:30:23,452 - Oh, my God. He... - No. (LAUGHS) 1548 01:30:23,452 --> 01:30:27,790 - So he's come through to me a few times. - Really? 1549 01:30:27,790 --> 01:30:29,925 And, like, there's no mistake that it's been him. 1550 01:30:29,925 --> 01:30:32,928 That's so crazy that you immediately mentioned Brian, 1551 01:30:32,928 --> 01:30:37,733 because that's the person that I'm, like, bringing all of his stuff. 1552 01:30:37,733 --> 01:30:39,535 MICHAEL: Wow! 1553 01:30:39,535 --> 01:30:42,471 Oh, man. Okay. 1554 01:30:42,471 --> 01:30:44,072 Oh, God, it's almost too weird. 1555 01:30:44,907 --> 01:30:47,075 MICHAEL: Um... 1556 01:30:47,075 --> 01:30:49,711 Okay. Well, this kind of, like, throws me for a loop, because... 1557 01:30:49,711 --> 01:30:51,947 - Yeah. No, I can imagine. - ...I didn't think I was gonna be reading 1558 01:30:51,947 --> 01:30:55,450 for someone who I actually knew in real life, 1559 01:30:55,450 --> 01:30:57,886 and not only that, but the spirit who they want to come through 1560 01:30:57,886 --> 01:31:00,722 is also someone who I knew. 1561 01:31:00,722 --> 01:31:02,958 So, um, let's see how it goes. 1562 01:31:02,958 --> 01:31:03,892 Okay. 1563 01:31:19,074 --> 01:31:20,242 Mm. 1564 01:31:21,143 --> 01:31:23,045 Um... 1565 01:31:23,045 --> 01:31:26,648 I hate to bring up his passing, like specific details. 1566 01:31:26,648 --> 01:31:29,785 I don't know a lot about how he passed. 1567 01:31:29,785 --> 01:31:30,953 Okay. 1568 01:31:30,953 --> 01:31:35,123 Was there an issue with abnormal breathing? 1569 01:31:35,123 --> 01:31:37,726 Like, the moment of his passing, 1570 01:31:37,726 --> 01:31:39,261 was there an issue with breathing? 1571 01:31:39,261 --> 01:31:43,198 When he passed, and also, like, before the passing as well? 1572 01:31:43,198 --> 01:31:45,534 I don't know if he had, like, an issue with breathing, 1573 01:31:45,534 --> 01:31:48,837 but I also know that the way he passed was he, like, hung himself. 1574 01:31:48,837 --> 01:31:51,540 So I don't know if that's what you mean by, like... 1575 01:31:51,540 --> 01:31:52,908 - Okay, well, that would be... - ...breathing. 1576 01:31:52,908 --> 01:31:54,877 That would be a breathing issue, for sure. 1577 01:31:54,877 --> 01:31:56,612 Okay. (LAUGHS SOFTLY) 1578 01:31:56,612 --> 01:31:59,114 - Okay, um... - (SIGHS) 1579 01:31:59,114 --> 01:32:01,216 Yeah, so tragic. 1580 01:32:09,658 --> 01:32:11,260 What would you like to say to Brian? 1581 01:32:12,194 --> 01:32:15,163 I... (SIGHS) Um... 1582 01:32:21,904 --> 01:32:23,171 I guess just... 1583 01:32:28,644 --> 01:32:30,779 (BREATH TREMBLING) 1584 01:32:30,779 --> 01:32:33,015 I didn't actually think of anything to say. 1585 01:32:39,955 --> 01:32:42,658 I guess just, like, if he's with me 1586 01:32:42,658 --> 01:32:45,027 when I ask him if he's with me? 1587 01:32:46,561 --> 01:32:48,297 (BREATHES DEEPLY) 1588 01:32:48,297 --> 01:32:49,798 Yeah. 1589 01:32:49,798 --> 01:32:52,801 CATHERINE: Oh, my God. 1590 01:32:52,801 --> 01:32:55,203 Usually, I always kind of talk out loud to him... 1591 01:32:55,203 --> 01:32:58,206 - Mm-hmm. - ...when I'm feeling... 1592 01:32:58,206 --> 01:33:03,278 - Yeah. - ...like, lost or stagnant or whatever. 1593 01:33:03,278 --> 01:33:05,580 So I guess I would just want to know, like, 1594 01:33:05,580 --> 01:33:07,883 if, in those moments, he's actually there. 1595 01:33:09,718 --> 01:33:11,053 And the answer to that is yes. 1596 01:33:11,053 --> 01:33:12,120 (CHUCKLES SOFTLY) 1597 01:33:14,056 --> 01:33:15,257 Yeah, he is. 1598 01:33:16,625 --> 01:33:18,593 Um... 1599 01:33:18,593 --> 01:33:21,029 Let me see what he has to say to you. 1600 01:33:35,143 --> 01:33:36,979 What... Tell me what is it... 1601 01:33:36,979 --> 01:33:41,049 There's something that, um... 1602 01:33:41,049 --> 01:33:44,720 Something that you've turned away from, or, like... 1603 01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:48,790 Or maybe you do it less or you you don't do it at all? 1604 01:33:50,325 --> 01:33:51,393 What is this? 1605 01:33:56,865 --> 01:33:58,266 (TEARFULLY) Like acting and writing. 1606 01:34:01,370 --> 01:34:04,139 You're gonna... He's saying that you're gonna come back to it. 1607 01:34:07,175 --> 01:34:09,678 (SOBBING) Whoo! 1608 01:34:09,678 --> 01:34:11,313 I don't know why that one was... 1609 01:34:13,215 --> 01:34:16,885 It's because, like, after he died, I... 1610 01:34:16,885 --> 01:34:21,923 I was like I like lost all of that. 1611 01:34:21,923 --> 01:34:26,294 Well, what I'm getting from him is that, 1612 01:34:26,294 --> 01:34:29,231 basically, like, 1613 01:34:29,231 --> 01:34:31,867 you're kind of in this, like, rest period. 1614 01:34:31,867 --> 01:34:34,970 But you are going to go back to it. 1615 01:34:34,970 --> 01:34:40,742 You are going to go back to it, and you still have it in you. 1616 01:34:53,355 --> 01:34:54,423 Let me see what else. 1617 01:35:00,062 --> 01:35:01,463 (EXHALES) 1618 01:35:07,202 --> 01:35:11,039 - I feel like he's performing still. - Mm. 1619 01:35:11,039 --> 01:35:14,876 I feel like he... Wherever he is, that he is still performing. 1620 01:35:19,481 --> 01:35:20,882 WILSON: We're ready for you. 1621 01:35:20,882 --> 01:35:22,417 - Oh, cool. Thank you. - Oh, thank you. 1622 01:35:22,417 --> 01:35:24,386 - Well, Michael... - Man, this is fucking crazy. 1623 01:35:24,386 --> 01:35:27,355 This is amazing. I'm so happy that this happened like this. 1624 01:35:27,355 --> 01:35:28,990 Yeah, me, too. 1625 01:35:28,990 --> 01:35:31,059 Also, like, there's no way that that's just a coincidence. 1626 01:35:31,059 --> 01:35:33,128 Like, of me sitting down here being like, 1627 01:35:33,128 --> 01:35:34,863 - Michael? - Yeah, right. 1628 01:35:34,863 --> 01:35:39,768 So, I'm so thrilled that you are, like, thriving with this... 1629 01:35:39,768 --> 01:35:42,938 Well, I don't know if I'm thriving, but, um... 1630 01:35:42,938 --> 01:35:45,073 - It was so great to see you. - I know. My goodness. 1631 01:35:45,073 --> 01:35:47,275 - Oh, my God, this is crazy. - I know. 1632 01:35:47,275 --> 01:35:50,011 Well, yeah, but like you said, we're connected on everything. 1633 01:35:50,011 --> 01:35:52,114 - Yeah. - So I'll be in touch. 1634 01:35:52,114 --> 01:35:54,149 - Yeah, keep in touch. -I'll be in touch especially if, like, anything else kind of, 1635 01:35:54,149 --> 01:35:57,319 from today, comes like, "Oh, my gosh! That makes more sense now." 1636 01:35:57,319 --> 01:36:01,790 Yeah, And, you know, one last thing, though, with the acting... 1637 01:36:01,790 --> 01:36:04,192 And I'm not just saying this to, like, kiss your ass. 1638 01:36:04,192 --> 01:36:07,529 But you were really talented, so... 1639 01:36:07,529 --> 01:36:08,997 Thank you. I appreciate that. 1640 01:36:08,997 --> 01:36:10,465 - Um, you've got to know that. - Thank you. 1641 01:36:10,465 --> 01:36:15,170 So it would be a shame for you not to do something. 1642 01:36:15,170 --> 01:36:16,471 Thank you. I appreciate that. 1643 01:36:16,471 --> 01:36:18,206 I do. That really means a lot. 1644 01:36:18,206 --> 01:36:19,374 Ooh. (CHUCKLES) 1645 01:36:19,374 --> 01:36:21,910 Um. Okay, well, thank you. 1646 01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:24,980 - Yeah. Keep in touch. - I will. Bye. 1647 01:36:41,329 --> 01:36:44,099 WOMAN: I guess my question is, 1648 01:36:46,134 --> 01:36:47,335 how is she? 1649 01:36:49,471 --> 01:36:50,906 HALL: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 1650 01:36:50,906 --> 01:36:53,808 - I wonder if you could tell me? - Yep. Let's see. 1651 01:36:53,808 --> 01:36:56,411 So she is here. She came. Okay. Okay. 1652 01:36:56,411 --> 01:36:58,880 Ooh! (CLEARS THROAT) Ooh! 1653 01:37:06,488 --> 01:37:12,894 You were chose 'cause they knew you could handle it. 1654 01:37:12,894 --> 01:37:14,229 Hmm. 1655 01:37:14,229 --> 01:37:15,931 You know how to do the hard stuff, 1656 01:37:15,931 --> 01:37:18,567 and also, it's a part of your soul. 1657 01:37:18,567 --> 01:37:23,238 It's a part of you knowing how to step in that place and serve, 1658 01:37:23,238 --> 01:37:25,874 and you were the best one that day for that. 1659 01:37:27,876 --> 01:37:30,612 But she is aware the impact it has on you. 1660 01:37:32,013 --> 01:37:33,848 Yeah, she knows. 1661 01:37:35,850 --> 01:37:39,588 - I've carried this moment with me for so long. - Mm-hmm. 1662 01:37:39,588 --> 01:37:44,526 I just... Do you see me learning how to 1663 01:37:44,526 --> 01:37:47,262 actually be at peace with it? 1664 01:37:47,262 --> 01:37:48,563 Yes, this is the grieving. 1665 01:37:49,998 --> 01:37:51,399 This is the grieving out loud. 1666 01:37:54,469 --> 01:37:59,608 You couldn't do it then but you're doing it here now. 1667 01:37:59,608 --> 01:38:04,379 You don't need to do it so privately as you have been. 1668 01:38:04,379 --> 01:38:05,880 You can do it openly. 1669 01:38:07,148 --> 01:38:09,251 Step into the emotional, scary space. 1670 01:38:12,087 --> 01:38:14,356 It's gonna be good. 1671 01:38:17,592 --> 01:38:18,526 Mm-hmm. 1672 01:38:27,235 --> 01:38:28,536 Oh, so good. 1673 01:38:30,372 --> 01:38:31,406 Thank you. 1674 01:38:31,406 --> 01:38:33,008 (SOBS SOFTLY) 1675 01:38:39,014 --> 01:38:41,483 (CRYING) 1676 01:38:43,184 --> 01:38:44,686 HALL: I know, I know. 1677 01:38:49,391 --> 01:38:51,493 (WOMAN CONTINUES CRYING) 1678 01:38:54,162 --> 01:38:55,230 HALL: I know. 1679 01:39:26,461 --> 01:39:28,630 (PIANO PLAYING) 1680 01:40:17,011 --> 01:40:20,248 ♪ In every heart 1681 01:40:20,248 --> 01:40:23,685 ♪ There is a room 1682 01:40:23,685 --> 01:40:28,757 ♪ A sanctuary safe and strong 1683 01:40:28,757 --> 01:40:35,463 ♪ To heal the wounds from lovers past 1684 01:40:35,463 --> 01:40:40,702 ♪ Until a new one comes along 1685 01:40:40,702 --> 01:40:47,442 ♪ I spoke to you in cautious tones 1686 01:40:47,442 --> 01:40:52,380 ♪ You answered me with no pretense 1687 01:40:52,380 --> 01:40:58,820 ♪ And still I feel I've said too much 1688 01:40:58,820 --> 01:41:03,525 ♪ My silence is my self-defense 1689 01:41:16,371 --> 01:41:22,076 ♪ And this why my eyes are closed 1690 01:41:22,076 --> 01:41:26,681 ♪ It's just as well for all I've seen 1691 01:41:26,681 --> 01:41:32,287 ♪ And so it goes 1692 01:41:32,287 --> 01:41:38,660 ♪ And you're the only one who knows 1693 01:41:38,660 --> 01:41:45,567 ♪ So why would I choose to be with you? 1694 01:41:45,567 --> 01:41:50,338 ♪ That's if the choice were mine to make 1695 01:41:50,338 --> 01:41:56,511 ♪ But you can make decisions too 1696 01:41:56,511 --> 01:42:01,316 ♪ And you can have this heart to break 1697 01:42:02,317 --> 01:42:04,652 (PIANO CONTINUES PLAYING) 1698 01:42:13,828 --> 01:42:19,868 ♪ And so it goes 1699 01:42:19,868 --> 01:42:26,407 ♪ And you're the only one who knows ♪ 1700 01:42:35,383 --> 01:42:38,453 (PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) 123817

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