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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:23,982 --> 00:00:29,112 MichaeI Jackson's LA Residence June 25, 2009 4 00:00:29,279 --> 00:00:31,406 (FIRE PARAMEDIC SPEAKING) 5 00:00:32,116 --> 00:00:34,951 (ALBERTO ALVAREZ SPEAKING) 6 00:01:23,542 --> 00:01:26,586 I arrived at the hospitaI 7 00:01:26,670 --> 00:01:27,712 Frank DiIeo JACKSON'S MANAGER 1 984-89, 2009 8 00:01:27,838 --> 00:01:29,756 and the Iady came out maybe 20 minutes Iater, a nurse. 9 00:01:31,049 --> 00:01:33,843 l stood up. She said, "Who are you?" 10 00:01:35,053 --> 00:01:37,764 "I'm Frank DiIeo, I manage MichaeI. 11 00:01:37,848 --> 00:01:39,223 "Is he okay?" 12 00:01:39,308 --> 00:01:42,059 She hesitated, and I knew. 13 00:01:42,978 --> 00:01:45,521 She Iooked me in the eye and said, 14 00:01:46,064 --> 00:01:47,523 "No, he didn't make it." 15 00:01:50,068 --> 00:01:52,945 l had them put him in a special room and clean him up. 16 00:01:53,489 --> 00:01:59,452 And that was the one nice thing, is I got to be aIone with him. 17 00:02:00,788 --> 00:02:07,502 And I got to kiss him on the forehead and, you know, teII him what I feIt. 18 00:02:08,378 --> 00:02:09,962 (BALLAD PLAYING) 19 00:02:45,457 --> 00:02:46,707 When I started seeing the news cIips 20 00:02:46,792 --> 00:02:49,168 David Gest MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND 21 00:02:49,253 --> 00:02:51,254 the day he died, 22 00:02:51,338 --> 00:02:52,505 my heart sank. 23 00:02:54,675 --> 00:03:00,096 Michael was the most exciting performer 24 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:02,640 l had ever seen in my life. 25 00:03:04,810 --> 00:03:08,354 He was the ultimate pop superstar. 26 00:03:09,857 --> 00:03:12,984 He wanted, more than anything, for his Iegacy to be 27 00:03:13,110 --> 00:03:16,362 he is the greatest performer of aII time. 28 00:03:16,446 --> 00:03:18,030 And that's what he became. 29 00:03:32,963 --> 00:03:35,131 (SMOKEY ROBINSON SPEAKING) 30 00:03:38,302 --> 00:03:40,303 (TITO JACKSON SPEAKING) 31 00:03:43,181 --> 00:03:45,141 (FRANK CASCIO SPEAKING) 32 00:03:48,896 --> 00:03:51,147 (KATHERINE JACKSON SPEAKING) 33 00:03:53,317 --> 00:03:55,359 (MARTHA REEVES SPEAKING) 34 00:03:58,655 --> 00:04:00,698 (BOBBY TAYLOR SPEAKING) 35 00:04:02,659 --> 00:04:05,202 (J. RANDY TARABORRELLI SPEAKING) 36 00:04:08,373 --> 00:04:10,917 (THOMAS A. MESEREAU, JR SPEAKING) 37 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:15,838 (WHITNEY HOUSTON SPEAKING) 38 00:04:18,717 --> 00:04:20,843 (MICKEY ROONEY SPEAKING) 39 00:04:33,482 --> 00:04:35,858 I grew up in East Chicago, Indiana. 40 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:39,320 Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER 41 00:04:39,404 --> 00:04:42,239 My mother and father divorced when I was at a young age, about six years oId. 42 00:04:43,909 --> 00:04:45,201 My mother was Baptist. 43 00:04:45,327 --> 00:04:48,204 And my sister and I sang in the Baptist choir. 44 00:04:49,039 --> 00:04:51,540 lt made us have a love for music. 45 00:04:54,044 --> 00:04:57,630 My father used to Iisten to the country music aII the time, 46 00:04:57,714 --> 00:05:03,511 and out of Chicago came a show, on the radio, caIIed Suppertime Frolic. 47 00:05:06,223 --> 00:05:09,183 And then on Saturdays, he wouId Iisten to the Grand Ole Opry 48 00:05:09,559 --> 00:05:11,060 that came out of Nashville. 49 00:05:12,396 --> 00:05:16,399 Some of the peopIe were Ernest Tubb, that's ancient. 50 00:05:16,525 --> 00:05:19,318 Let me... Let the peopIe know how oId I am. (LAUGHS) 51 00:05:20,195 --> 00:05:22,238 (COUNTRY SONG PLAYING) 52 00:05:23,573 --> 00:05:26,367 We had a cIub caIIed the Sub-Debs. 53 00:05:32,207 --> 00:05:36,085 We used to give teenage parties for aII the kids around there, 54 00:05:36,420 --> 00:05:37,586 and that's where I met Joe. 55 00:05:40,048 --> 00:05:42,758 l think l was around 17 years old. 56 00:05:43,176 --> 00:05:48,431 He wouId aIways ask me for a dance when the music was sIow. (LAUGHS) 57 00:05:51,601 --> 00:05:54,186 He seemed very kind, very sweet. 58 00:05:57,441 --> 00:05:58,858 Joseph was in a group. 59 00:05:59,234 --> 00:06:03,738 Besides me Ieaving singing with my sister, I started singing with him. 60 00:06:04,364 --> 00:06:07,908 And we wouId sing and harmonise together a Iot. 61 00:06:10,954 --> 00:06:14,123 Then the chiIdren came aIong, and I kept singing. 62 00:06:17,586 --> 00:06:18,627 Rebbie Jackson MICHAEL'S SISTER 63 00:06:18,754 --> 00:06:20,671 2300 Jackson St, in that IittIe house. 64 00:06:20,756 --> 00:06:23,466 l was the only one born in that house. 65 00:06:23,717 --> 00:06:25,926 We had two bedrooms in our home. 66 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,139 And l and my sisters, Janet and La Toya, slept in the living room. 67 00:06:30,223 --> 00:06:32,475 Living Room Gary, Indiana 201 0 68 00:06:32,559 --> 00:06:34,602 We had a couch that let out into a bed. 69 00:06:34,686 --> 00:06:36,520 My brothers slept in one room. 70 00:06:36,605 --> 00:06:38,189 Boy's Bedroom Gary, Indiana 201 0 71 00:06:38,273 --> 00:06:40,149 And that room had triple bunk beds. 72 00:06:40,233 --> 00:06:42,234 And they slept on the bunk beds. 73 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:44,570 And then my parents slept in the other room. 74 00:06:44,654 --> 00:06:46,572 Parents' Bedroom GARY, INDIANA 201 0 75 00:06:46,656 --> 00:06:49,450 KATHERINE: l don't know how l squeezed all of us in that little house. 76 00:06:49,534 --> 00:06:50,576 Jackson FamiIy Kitchen Gary, Indiana 1 960's 77 00:06:50,702 --> 00:06:54,538 Having all my children when l was young and having them so close together, 78 00:06:55,832 --> 00:07:02,171 every time I wouId get pregnant, I was afraid to teII Joe. (CHUCKLES) 79 00:07:04,049 --> 00:07:09,095 We didn't beIieve in abortion, so that's why we got so many chiIdren. 80 00:07:11,556 --> 00:07:14,350 The children around our neighbourhood, especially the boys, 81 00:07:14,726 --> 00:07:16,060 they were kind of bad, some of them. 82 00:07:16,144 --> 00:07:19,146 They wouId break in peopIe's cars and do things. 83 00:07:19,231 --> 00:07:23,692 And our children were never allowed to go out at night or play with those kids. 84 00:07:24,111 --> 00:07:25,569 J. Randy TaraborreIIi JACKSON'S FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER 85 00:07:25,654 --> 00:07:28,697 They weren't reaIIy sociaI with the rest of the neighbourhood. 86 00:07:28,824 --> 00:07:33,202 They cIung to each other, and that's how the Jacksons were raised. 87 00:07:33,370 --> 00:07:36,038 Poor? I mean, that was a way of Iife. 88 00:07:36,123 --> 00:07:37,581 We had pIenty of food to eat. 89 00:07:37,666 --> 00:07:39,875 We were like all the other kids in the area. 90 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,378 DAVID GEST: Michael never thought he was poor when he was young, 91 00:07:42,462 --> 00:07:44,630 because he did not know what poor was. 92 00:07:44,714 --> 00:07:45,840 David Gest MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND 93 00:07:45,924 --> 00:07:49,301 He thought everyone Iived the way his famiIy did. 94 00:07:49,761 --> 00:07:52,263 KATHERINE: We had a rickety washing machine. 95 00:07:52,347 --> 00:07:53,722 We weren't able to buy a new one. 96 00:07:53,974 --> 00:07:56,267 Whenever it washed, it wouId creak. You know, make noises... 97 00:07:56,351 --> 00:07:57,935 (IMITATES CREAKING NOISES) 98 00:07:58,019 --> 00:07:59,436 Something Iike that. 99 00:07:59,521 --> 00:08:02,940 And MichaeI, I guess, was about 1 1 or 1 2 months oId. 100 00:08:03,024 --> 00:08:05,693 He was just dancing to the rhythm of the washing machine. 101 00:08:05,986 --> 00:08:08,487 And I knew then that he had a Iot of rhythm. 102 00:08:13,118 --> 00:08:16,245 MichaeI wouId aIways do funny things, anything for a Iaugh. 103 00:08:16,329 --> 00:08:17,746 Anything for a Iaugh. 104 00:08:19,082 --> 00:08:23,335 La Toya was always very persnickety about the way she kept her room. 105 00:08:23,420 --> 00:08:24,587 And she had this beautifuI... 106 00:08:24,671 --> 00:08:27,840 I think it was a white satin bedspread that she had just gotten. 107 00:08:28,842 --> 00:08:31,135 Michael took some invisible ink 108 00:08:31,261 --> 00:08:34,221 and he spread it aII over the bedspread, squirted it aII over. 109 00:08:34,306 --> 00:08:36,932 And then he had her come in and Iook at it. She was Iivid. 110 00:08:39,603 --> 00:08:43,355 MichaeI used to Iove teIIing me stories about Gary, Indiana, 111 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,941 especially how he would have a candy store, 112 00:08:46,026 --> 00:08:48,777 and he wouId seII candy to aII the neighbours, 113 00:08:49,279 --> 00:08:51,030 and to his brothers. 114 00:08:51,114 --> 00:08:54,200 And he never made any money doing it, 115 00:08:54,284 --> 00:09:00,539 but he showed signs of being an entrepreneur at a very young age. 116 00:09:00,790 --> 00:09:02,249 As kids, we had a Iot of fun. 117 00:09:02,334 --> 00:09:03,459 Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER 118 00:09:03,627 --> 00:09:05,794 You know, just pIaying around in the neighbourhood. 119 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:10,549 Playing practical jokes, throwing balloons out the car windows at bus stops, 120 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,553 singing and dancing to every song that came on the radio. 121 00:09:17,474 --> 00:09:20,476 MichaeI wouId use some of the money from his candy store 122 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:22,478 to go and buy 45s, 123 00:09:22,562 --> 00:09:26,273 because in those days, that's what kids bought, 45s. 124 00:09:26,358 --> 00:09:29,193 And if you were Iucky, you'd buy an LP. 125 00:09:29,361 --> 00:09:33,239 But he started Iistening strongIy to James Brown 126 00:09:33,823 --> 00:09:36,700 from the time he was about five years old. 127 00:09:36,826 --> 00:09:41,747 He had a great taste for reaI R&B, 128 00:09:41,831 --> 00:09:44,250 gritty R&B, Iike WiIson Pickett, 129 00:09:45,835 --> 00:09:47,628 the DeIIs, 130 00:09:47,712 --> 00:09:50,756 great singers like Levi Stubbs. 131 00:09:52,592 --> 00:09:56,053 We sang country songs and we sang foIk songs. 132 00:09:56,429 --> 00:09:59,348 And then they started singing the Temptations 133 00:09:59,432 --> 00:10:01,684 when we got a television. 134 00:10:02,185 --> 00:10:05,813 My father had a guitar that he kept Iocked in the cIoset. 135 00:10:05,897 --> 00:10:09,149 One day, he didn't Iock the cIoset and I started pIaying that thing. 136 00:10:09,234 --> 00:10:13,487 l learnt every song on the radio and made my brothers sing with me. 137 00:10:13,571 --> 00:10:16,156 KATHERINE: Joseph had warned them, "Don't play my guitar, now." 138 00:10:16,408 --> 00:10:21,245 And so, Tito took it out and pIayed it, and a string broke. 139 00:10:21,871 --> 00:10:25,207 There was no way of hiding that he hadn't had his guitar. 140 00:10:25,333 --> 00:10:26,750 He punished him for it. 141 00:10:26,876 --> 00:10:28,752 Then he said, "Let me hear you pIay." 142 00:10:28,878 --> 00:10:31,171 And Tito pIayed for him. 143 00:10:31,256 --> 00:10:34,508 Joe just said nothing eIse to him, "You can pIay it if you want to." 144 00:10:35,218 --> 00:10:38,512 Tito had been watching his father play guitar, 145 00:10:38,596 --> 00:10:41,223 but he wouId come to my house and he and I wouId pIay. 146 00:10:41,349 --> 00:10:42,516 Reynaud Jones NEIGHBOUR - GARY, INDIANA 147 00:10:42,726 --> 00:10:45,936 And I wouId pIay a IittIe something on my guitar, and then show him, 148 00:10:46,062 --> 00:10:47,938 and then give my guitar to him. 149 00:10:48,189 --> 00:10:49,606 And then he'd try to play it. 150 00:10:49,733 --> 00:10:52,276 And so we went back and forth like that. 151 00:10:52,402 --> 00:10:56,238 There was a guy across the street who had one snare drum, 152 00:10:56,740 --> 00:10:58,365 and his name was MiIford Hite. 153 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:00,284 MiIford Hite NEIGHBOUR - GARY, INDIANA 154 00:11:00,410 --> 00:11:01,785 Reynaud said, "MiIford, come over with your drum 155 00:11:01,911 --> 00:11:04,705 "and Iet's see if we can, you know, start a IittIe group together." 156 00:11:04,914 --> 00:11:07,416 We played for a while and then Jackie Jackson came over. 157 00:11:07,751 --> 00:11:08,751 Okay. 158 00:11:08,918 --> 00:11:12,379 Then after Jackie came in, Jermaine came. 159 00:11:12,756 --> 00:11:14,757 TITO: Michael and Marlon were just little kids. 160 00:11:15,091 --> 00:11:17,760 And we used to tell them to be quiet, "Get out of here." 161 00:11:17,886 --> 00:11:19,053 We used to kick them out the room. 162 00:11:19,137 --> 00:11:21,805 And they used to beg to be in the group. 163 00:11:21,931 --> 00:11:24,350 And we just said, "Your IittIe brother wants to be in the..." 164 00:11:24,434 --> 00:11:27,936 You know, you just said, "No, get out of here. This is big boy stuff." 165 00:11:28,772 --> 00:11:33,484 The schooI was giving a programme and aII the parents were invited. 166 00:11:33,985 --> 00:11:37,446 And MichaeI was singing soIo, Climb Every Mountain. 167 00:11:37,572 --> 00:11:41,408 And so Joe's father wanted to go aIso, so he couId hear him. 168 00:11:42,285 --> 00:11:44,453 And MichaeI starts singing. 169 00:11:44,829 --> 00:11:47,790 I Iooked around, Joe's father was crying. 170 00:11:49,751 --> 00:11:51,251 I guess he couIdn't imagine 171 00:11:51,336 --> 00:11:54,922 that a 5-year-oId kid can keep harmony and sing that weII. 172 00:11:55,006 --> 00:11:56,173 But that's what happened. 173 00:11:56,758 --> 00:12:01,303 TITO: We heard him sing and we were so taken by that. 174 00:12:02,097 --> 00:12:04,223 We couIdn't beIieve it so we rushed him home, 175 00:12:04,307 --> 00:12:06,141 immediateIy took him to the room. 176 00:12:06,267 --> 00:12:08,602 And he was in the group, that fast. 177 00:12:11,731 --> 00:12:16,652 The big thing back then was winning the RooseveIt High SchooI taIent show. 178 00:12:16,986 --> 00:12:18,487 GEST: ln the '50s and the '60s, 179 00:12:18,571 --> 00:12:24,243 taIent shows were the key to getting a career and a record deaI. 180 00:12:24,494 --> 00:12:26,954 And that's what they dreamed of. 181 00:12:28,123 --> 00:12:31,250 InitiaIIy, MichaeI was not our Iead singer. 182 00:12:31,334 --> 00:12:36,171 It was Jermaine was our Iead singer when we made it to the taIent show. 183 00:12:36,756 --> 00:12:40,259 They came to me and asked me if I wouId come over 184 00:12:40,343 --> 00:12:41,427 Robert Hite NEIGHBOUR - GARY, INDIANA 185 00:12:41,511 --> 00:12:44,346 and give them some pointers on tightening up the group. 186 00:12:44,431 --> 00:12:49,852 I actuaIIy decided that we were going to present the song My Girl, 187 00:12:49,978 --> 00:12:54,523 because it was a song that I had become very fond of. 188 00:12:55,024 --> 00:12:58,861 Each person wouId get a chance to step forward in the song, 189 00:12:58,987 --> 00:13:00,779 and showcase what they couId do. 190 00:13:00,989 --> 00:13:04,700 MiIford actuaIIy sang My Girl aIong with them. 191 00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:06,785 Reynaud was singing My Girl. 192 00:13:06,870 --> 00:13:11,373 And aII of a sudden we said, "Michael, sing My Girl." 193 00:13:11,458 --> 00:13:14,877 (CHUCKLING) And he hit it, perfect pitch. 194 00:13:16,379 --> 00:13:17,629 And that was it. 195 00:13:17,714 --> 00:13:19,882 That was our secret weapon, quite honestly. 196 00:13:19,966 --> 00:13:21,550 (UP-TEMPO SONG PLAYING) 197 00:13:30,685 --> 00:13:33,061 When MichaeI came in, the crowd just stood up. 198 00:13:33,146 --> 00:13:34,813 (CHUCKLING) 199 00:13:34,898 --> 00:13:38,400 They actuaIIy broke a coupIe of chairs and seats in the auditorium. 200 00:13:44,908 --> 00:13:47,326 It was such a surprise. 201 00:13:47,410 --> 00:13:50,746 And that's when everybody recognised the kind of taIent that was there. 202 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,543 MILFORD: We wanted to win and we won. 203 00:13:57,086 --> 00:13:58,337 lt was a really happy moment. 204 00:13:58,421 --> 00:14:01,840 It was just... 'Cause that was the thing to win, RooseveIt's taIent show. 205 00:14:01,925 --> 00:14:04,635 We win a RooseveIt's taIent show, it's Iike signing a contract with Motown. 206 00:14:04,719 --> 00:14:05,802 (CHUCKLES) 207 00:14:10,475 --> 00:14:12,684 ROBERT: After the talent show ended, 208 00:14:12,769 --> 00:14:18,815 Joe decided that Reynaud and MiIford weren't going to be rehearsing with them. 209 00:14:19,776 --> 00:14:21,944 And that's what kind of spIit everything off. 210 00:14:25,823 --> 00:14:29,034 TARABORRELLI: Joseph was, in many ways, a frustrated musician. 211 00:14:29,118 --> 00:14:31,411 He had a band caIIed the FaIcons. 212 00:14:31,496 --> 00:14:37,459 And I think to some extent he wanted to Iive vicariousIy 213 00:14:37,544 --> 00:14:41,380 through the success, the possible success, of his children as musicians. 214 00:14:42,173 --> 00:14:44,049 But Joseph is a very complicated person, 215 00:14:44,133 --> 00:14:47,302 and it's not easy to paint Joseph with a wide brushstroke. 216 00:14:47,971 --> 00:14:49,012 Bobby TayIor ARTIST, GORDY / MOTOWN RECORDS 217 00:14:49,097 --> 00:14:50,764 Joe was a tyrant to them. 218 00:14:50,848 --> 00:14:53,475 He was mean to them. He was eviI to them. 219 00:14:54,185 --> 00:14:56,937 MichaeI was very afraid of Joe, 220 00:14:57,021 --> 00:14:59,398 and a Iot of times, he wouId stay over at my house, 221 00:14:59,482 --> 00:15:01,650 just to get away from Joe, 222 00:15:01,734 --> 00:15:07,990 because he feIt Joe had punished him too much when he was younger. 223 00:15:09,117 --> 00:15:12,286 He had taken a strap and spanked him a Iot of times. 224 00:15:12,370 --> 00:15:14,871 And he feIt it was too harsh. 225 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:21,003 He was a very strong, and often, as they wouId teII it, vioIent discipIinarian. 226 00:15:25,174 --> 00:15:30,762 MichaeI, Janet and Randy, and a IittIe bit of MarIon, 227 00:15:31,889 --> 00:15:36,560 I think they got easy street, 'cause they were the babies. 228 00:15:37,353 --> 00:15:41,565 The ones who really got the spankings in my family, if l remember correctly, 229 00:15:41,649 --> 00:15:43,025 and l'm pretty sure l do, 230 00:15:43,109 --> 00:15:48,655 was myself, Jermaine and Jackie, the older guys. 231 00:15:49,073 --> 00:15:52,284 l'm sort of like five years older than Michael. 232 00:15:52,368 --> 00:15:57,122 So he was more of one of the little guys that didn't get it the way the big guys did. 233 00:15:57,540 --> 00:15:58,915 I think in Iater Iife, 234 00:16:00,543 --> 00:16:03,295 he began to respect Joe more, 235 00:16:03,379 --> 00:16:08,258 because he saw that he wanted his kids to be somebody. 236 00:16:09,427 --> 00:16:11,595 RONALD JACKSON: My uncle worked in the steel mill. 237 00:16:11,721 --> 00:16:15,390 He never wanted his kids to do what he did. He wanted them to be better. 238 00:16:16,059 --> 00:16:17,142 RonaId & Keith Jackson JACKSON'S FIRST COUSINS 239 00:16:17,268 --> 00:16:18,518 I seen the steeI miII, and I'm gonna teII you... 240 00:16:18,603 --> 00:16:20,520 -It's Iike working for Satan... -Do not work there... 241 00:16:20,605 --> 00:16:23,565 ...because it's 2,000 degrees out there, and it's very dangerous. 242 00:16:24,275 --> 00:16:26,401 So, his vision, l respect. 243 00:16:27,070 --> 00:16:31,907 He wanted them to have a better opportunity, and to do something they Iove doing. 244 00:16:35,328 --> 00:16:39,665 TAYLOR: l think Joe did the right thing because none of his kids went to prison. 245 00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:42,959 None of his kids were out on the street using dope. 246 00:16:44,420 --> 00:16:46,380 TITO: l think l was raised right. 247 00:16:46,464 --> 00:16:51,259 I think my father did a briIIiant job to take us from Gary, Indiana, 248 00:16:51,344 --> 00:16:56,264 which is a very poverty-stricken town, 249 00:16:56,349 --> 00:17:00,686 and not too many peopIe get out of there and make something of themseIves, 250 00:17:00,978 --> 00:17:03,480 and he had a dream, and he stuck with it. 251 00:17:03,606 --> 00:17:06,858 And he knew how to get there and he got us there. 252 00:17:07,485 --> 00:17:11,071 It's okay to have fun sometimes but you have to prepare yourseIf, 253 00:17:11,155 --> 00:17:15,450 because your aduIthood is gonna be a Iot Ionger than your chiIdhood. 254 00:17:15,660 --> 00:17:19,121 And if you didn't prepare for it, you're gonna be on The Late Show. 255 00:17:19,789 --> 00:17:24,710 So I think my father prepared his sons for the future, to be men. 256 00:17:24,794 --> 00:17:27,796 We were men at a very young age. 257 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,466 TARABORRELLI: l remember asking Michael, "Why do you call him Joseph?" 258 00:17:31,551 --> 00:17:35,178 And it was reaIIy cIear, the way MichaeI expIained it, 259 00:17:35,304 --> 00:17:36,847 that they thought of him as Joseph. 260 00:17:37,306 --> 00:17:40,225 They didn't really think of him as their father, they thought of him as Joseph. 261 00:17:40,309 --> 00:17:42,894 And l thought that was very sad. 262 00:17:43,187 --> 00:17:44,938 That had to hurt even Joseph, 263 00:17:45,022 --> 00:17:47,274 to know that his chiIdren feIt that way about him, 264 00:17:47,358 --> 00:17:50,986 but that was the way he designed it. 265 00:17:51,988 --> 00:17:53,029 Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER 266 00:17:53,156 --> 00:17:54,740 The worId now taIks about how mean and eviI he is. 267 00:17:54,824 --> 00:17:55,949 He's not that way. 268 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,619 He's just a firm person. 269 00:18:02,832 --> 00:18:08,378 MichaeI's very cIose to my mother, and she was Iike a comfort to him, I think. 270 00:18:09,505 --> 00:18:12,174 KATHERINE: Michael and l had a very special bond. 271 00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:16,636 Michael used to always tell me that he was so much like me. 272 00:18:16,971 --> 00:18:19,639 And then I used to teII him, I said, 273 00:18:19,724 --> 00:18:24,603 "I can see myseIf in you, but I don't want you to be Iike me," 274 00:18:24,687 --> 00:18:28,064 because I thought I was too easy-going, 275 00:18:28,191 --> 00:18:29,775 trust people too much, 276 00:18:29,859 --> 00:18:32,152 and that's exactly how Michael is. 277 00:18:33,696 --> 00:18:39,034 There was a mysticaI connection that made them aImost, at times, one. 278 00:18:39,577 --> 00:18:42,913 MichaeI and Katherine, two peas in a pod. 279 00:18:46,083 --> 00:18:49,336 He was cIoser to no one eIse except for her. 280 00:18:51,172 --> 00:18:54,716 TARABORRELLI: Katherine Jackson was golden where Michael was concerned, 281 00:18:54,926 --> 00:18:56,718 throughout his entire lifetime. 282 00:18:56,844 --> 00:18:57,844 She aIways cared. 283 00:18:57,929 --> 00:19:03,099 When he went through stages of acne, she knew how to handIe him. 284 00:19:04,227 --> 00:19:07,479 TARABORRELLI: lt was almost as if they were 285 00:19:07,563 --> 00:19:10,232 aligned with each other against the world. 286 00:19:10,566 --> 00:19:13,443 And he couId aIways go to Katherine for anything. 287 00:19:13,569 --> 00:19:16,112 And she wouId be there for him, 1 00%. 288 00:19:28,209 --> 00:19:32,087 They had been working on the music for a Iong time, 289 00:19:32,463 --> 00:19:34,965 and they wanted to be signed to a IabeI. 290 00:19:35,967 --> 00:19:38,260 TITO: We would go to school in the morning. 291 00:19:38,928 --> 00:19:41,638 Then after schooI, we'd get home about 3:00, 3:30. 292 00:19:42,431 --> 00:19:46,810 And my father'd have aII the mics set up and amps on standby. 293 00:19:47,770 --> 00:19:50,272 And we had enough time to just drop our books, 294 00:19:50,398 --> 00:19:56,319 and we would practise, like, four hours, 295 00:19:56,445 --> 00:19:58,154 until about 7:00 or 8:00. 296 00:19:58,281 --> 00:20:00,073 And after that, 297 00:20:00,157 --> 00:20:02,534 we would get ready to go to Chicago or somewhere, 298 00:20:02,618 --> 00:20:04,786 and go do an engagement. 299 00:20:04,996 --> 00:20:06,705 We would play for 45 minutes, 300 00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:10,500 and take 1 5 minutes off and do our homework. 301 00:20:11,836 --> 00:20:16,339 By the time we was through with our day, it was about 2:30 in the morning. 302 00:20:16,924 --> 00:20:21,928 And we'd drive back from Chicago to Gary, get home about 3:00, 4:00 in the morning, 303 00:20:22,013 --> 00:20:23,889 then go to schooI the next day. 304 00:20:23,973 --> 00:20:27,183 And that's what Iife was for us for many years, a Iot of work. 305 00:20:28,644 --> 00:20:30,729 MICHAEL: We would perform all night, tell you the truth, every day. 306 00:20:30,813 --> 00:20:33,231 Voice of MichaeI Jackson Interview courtesy of J. Randy TaraborreIIi 307 00:20:33,316 --> 00:20:35,525 We would be dancing, doing James Brown, 308 00:20:35,651 --> 00:20:39,321 and a lot of people throwing money on stage, and standing ovations. 309 00:20:39,822 --> 00:20:43,491 And then, soon as we drove home, we'd get up and go to school. 310 00:20:43,618 --> 00:20:47,787 And we couldn't keep our pants up 'cause we had so much money in 'em. 311 00:20:47,872 --> 00:20:50,040 l mean, change just broke 'em. 312 00:20:50,207 --> 00:20:52,542 And there was this man's house, who used to sell candy, 313 00:20:52,668 --> 00:20:57,005 we used to stop there and just load up, eat candy for days. 314 00:20:58,174 --> 00:21:01,051 They had a studio at home and they had these big mirrors and stuff. 315 00:21:01,177 --> 00:21:05,013 And they wouId say, "Do it again, do it again, do it again, do it again." 316 00:21:05,139 --> 00:21:08,767 And next thing you know, seven, eight, nine hours go by, 317 00:21:08,851 --> 00:21:11,645 but they were looking for perfection. 318 00:21:12,021 --> 00:21:13,229 Ronnie Rancifer KEYBOARDIST, 'JACKSON 5' 1 967-77 319 00:21:13,356 --> 00:21:15,357 They were focused, that's what I Iiked about them. 320 00:21:15,483 --> 00:21:19,027 They were serious about doing it, and it was about perfection. 321 00:21:19,236 --> 00:21:24,574 Johnny Jackson and Ronnie Rancifer were part of the earIy Jackson 5. 322 00:21:25,326 --> 00:21:29,245 They were not named members 323 00:21:29,372 --> 00:21:33,041 but they were a part of the group, and an integral part of the group. 324 00:21:33,167 --> 00:21:36,711 Back then, we didn't have the greatest instruments in the worId. 325 00:21:37,213 --> 00:21:41,758 Other big name groups, they wouId have big PAs and aII that. 326 00:21:42,176 --> 00:21:44,886 Jacksons didn't have that, but what they had was souI. 327 00:21:45,721 --> 00:21:47,639 See... And souI goes a Iong way. 328 00:21:47,723 --> 00:21:50,558 You can have $1 0 jiIIion worth of equipment, baby, 329 00:21:50,685 --> 00:21:54,854 but if you ain't got no souI, you might as weII stay home. (CHUCKLES) 330 00:21:55,731 --> 00:22:00,443 In 1 967 the Jackson 5 signed for IocaI record IabeI, SteeItown Records. 331 00:22:01,070 --> 00:22:02,779 They reIeased two songs on the IabeI; 'Big Boy' 332 00:22:02,905 --> 00:22:04,739 and 'We Don't Have To Be Over 21 (To FaII In Love). 333 00:22:04,865 --> 00:22:07,784 Neither appeared on any BiIIboard Chart. 334 00:22:11,747 --> 00:22:16,584 One day, I was setting up a VIP section for Bobby TayIor, 335 00:22:17,044 --> 00:22:19,921 aII of a sudden, I hear the peopIe cIapping and hoIIering... 336 00:22:20,089 --> 00:22:22,382 WeIdon Arthur McDougaI III - A & R EXECUTIVE, MOTOWN RECORDS 1 969-80 337 00:22:22,466 --> 00:22:25,719 And so I come out of the office and I Iook and there was the Jackson 5. 338 00:22:25,803 --> 00:22:27,804 Well, they are pretty good. 339 00:22:30,433 --> 00:22:33,727 Joe Jackson said, "Listen, man, we wanna be on Motown." 340 00:22:33,811 --> 00:22:36,604 And I said, "Man, I can't get nobody on the IabeI." 341 00:22:36,731 --> 00:22:41,651 And he said, "WeII, do you know anybody you couId introduce me to at Motown?" 342 00:22:42,778 --> 00:22:45,739 I was so excited about them, 343 00:22:45,823 --> 00:22:48,408 I toId Bobby TayIor that Thursday about them. 344 00:22:48,492 --> 00:22:49,951 He said, "Okay, I'II Iook at 'em." 345 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,329 I met them in 1 968, at the RegaI Theater. 346 00:22:53,748 --> 00:22:55,665 l was headlining the show. 347 00:22:55,791 --> 00:22:56,791 They were the opening act, 348 00:22:56,917 --> 00:23:00,420 and l was introduced to them by the promoter. 349 00:23:00,504 --> 00:23:04,382 Berry Gordy, President of Motown, gave him permission 350 00:23:04,467 --> 00:23:09,971 to produce any act that he wanted and they wouId Iisten to it. 351 00:23:10,639 --> 00:23:14,392 He, at that time, had a group caIIed Bobby TayIor and the Vancouvers. 352 00:23:14,477 --> 00:23:17,687 They had records on the radio that were going reaIIy weII and stuff. 353 00:23:18,022 --> 00:23:19,647 (R&B SONG PLAYING) 354 00:23:25,112 --> 00:23:30,158 I Iiked the way he sang, 'cause he was a star vocaIist in his own right. 355 00:23:36,707 --> 00:23:40,835 He knew how to do it, when to do it, why to do it, and why not to do it. 356 00:23:41,295 --> 00:23:43,880 I saw this IittIe kid spinning and stuff, I said, "Dang. 357 00:23:44,215 --> 00:23:48,384 "Send him upstairs when they finish, I want to taIk to this kid." 358 00:23:49,345 --> 00:23:52,180 Never thought about recording him at that time. 359 00:23:52,348 --> 00:23:55,183 I said, "This IittIe guy, I wanna see what's happening." 360 00:23:56,018 --> 00:24:02,690 He was a kid that would worry you, bug you, until you had to do something with him. 361 00:24:03,692 --> 00:24:07,237 Instead of him going back to Gary, Indiana, from Chicago 362 00:24:07,363 --> 00:24:12,367 every night, he'd go and ask Joseph if he couId stay with me, 363 00:24:12,868 --> 00:24:15,495 and spend a night at the hoteI with me. 364 00:24:15,579 --> 00:24:18,832 So he stayed in my face for 10 straight days, 365 00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:21,543 from the time that we woke up in the morning, 366 00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:24,045 and l'd take and feed this kid. 367 00:24:24,171 --> 00:24:29,092 It was pure. This kid wanted what he got. 368 00:24:29,885 --> 00:24:32,387 He was a workahoIic. 369 00:24:32,596 --> 00:24:34,597 Bobby TayIor worked hard. 370 00:24:34,723 --> 00:24:37,559 I mean, I can't say it enough. I want peopIe to know. 371 00:24:37,935 --> 00:24:41,813 He worked harder on them than he did with the Vancouvers. 372 00:24:41,897 --> 00:24:44,274 My motivation was MichaeI. 373 00:24:45,276 --> 00:24:51,239 I just figured this kid here, he's an aduIt in kid's cIothing. 374 00:24:52,366 --> 00:24:53,741 That was my onIy motivation. 375 00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:57,912 Everybody around here knew that MichaeI Jackson was "it." 376 00:24:59,123 --> 00:25:01,749 The worId just didn't know it. 377 00:25:01,917 --> 00:25:03,168 Bobby was pushing. 378 00:25:03,252 --> 00:25:04,752 When I say he was pushing, 379 00:25:04,879 --> 00:25:09,465 the next time I seen Bobby or I seen the group, 380 00:25:09,592 --> 00:25:12,927 he had caIIed me and said he's working at the ApoIIo. 381 00:25:13,429 --> 00:25:17,640 And come over to the ApoIIo, he got a surprise for me. 382 00:25:17,975 --> 00:25:21,769 And when l went to the Apollo, the Jackson 5 was on the bill. 383 00:25:21,937 --> 00:25:24,063 ApoIIo Theater HarIem, New York City 384 00:25:24,148 --> 00:25:27,692 The ApoIIo was known as the greatest R&B showroom in the worId, 385 00:25:27,776 --> 00:25:29,986 because many aIbums had been made from there, 386 00:25:30,112 --> 00:25:32,739 James Brown, Live at the Apollo. 387 00:25:32,823 --> 00:25:35,200 Jackie Wilson played the Apollo. 388 00:25:35,284 --> 00:25:37,744 Gladys Knight and the Pips played the Apollo. 389 00:25:37,828 --> 00:25:39,954 Smokey Robinson and the Miracles. 390 00:25:40,289 --> 00:25:43,541 Everybody who pIayed the ApoIIo was a star. 391 00:25:43,626 --> 00:25:47,545 And everybody who was underneath them on a biII 392 00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:50,465 was trying to gain that national fame. 393 00:25:50,633 --> 00:25:55,386 And if you make it there, you're assured of stardom 394 00:25:55,471 --> 00:25:59,849 because peopIe knew that you've got something very speciaI. 395 00:25:59,975 --> 00:26:01,184 lt was a very tough audience. 396 00:26:01,310 --> 00:26:04,938 And if they did not Iike you, and you were not a good Iive act, 397 00:26:05,147 --> 00:26:09,275 even though you may have a hit record, they'd boo you off the stage. 398 00:26:10,152 --> 00:26:12,737 The Jackson 5 tore that pIace up. 399 00:26:12,821 --> 00:26:17,325 I mean, I've never seen an act that nobody never heard of, 400 00:26:17,451 --> 00:26:18,952 didn't have a record, 401 00:26:19,036 --> 00:26:22,288 and, I mean, the peopIe kept hoIIering, "Jackson 5!" 402 00:26:22,373 --> 00:26:27,835 On the same show was the 5 Stairsteps, and they were young kids, too, 403 00:26:28,003 --> 00:26:31,839 or they were about the same age as the Jackson 5. 404 00:26:32,216 --> 00:26:34,634 And they were compIaining, 405 00:26:34,843 --> 00:26:38,054 they wanted to get the Jackson 5 off of the show 406 00:26:38,180 --> 00:26:41,933 because every time they went on, people just hollered, 407 00:26:42,017 --> 00:26:44,894 "Jackson 5! Jackson 5! Jackson 5!" 408 00:26:45,854 --> 00:26:48,690 And I said, "Wow! I ain't never seen nothing Iike this." 409 00:26:52,861 --> 00:26:53,861 Martha Reeves ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 410 00:26:53,988 --> 00:26:57,699 My very first time that I saw MichaeI Jackson was at the ApoIIo Theater in New York. 411 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,252 He and his famiIy were a seIf-contained act, which was very unusuaI. 412 00:27:09,670 --> 00:27:13,006 And yet there was a guitarist in the group and a bassist in the group, 413 00:27:13,090 --> 00:27:15,174 and keyboard and drums. 414 00:27:22,433 --> 00:27:23,933 They'd won a contest. 415 00:27:24,059 --> 00:27:27,437 They'd won at the ApoIIo Theater Amateur Night, 416 00:27:27,563 --> 00:27:31,899 and their prize was to open the show for the great James Brown. 417 00:27:32,026 --> 00:27:34,736 WeII, he broke out into this James Brown, I Got the FeeIin', 418 00:27:34,862 --> 00:27:38,406 and doing his little toes and dancing and looking like James, 419 00:27:38,532 --> 00:27:40,241 if James were a wind-up toy. 420 00:27:40,534 --> 00:27:42,410 And it was amazing. 421 00:27:42,578 --> 00:27:43,661 Rebbie Jackson MICHAEL'S SISTER 422 00:27:43,746 --> 00:27:46,456 He wouId perform and do the moves and routine that everyone eIse was doing. 423 00:27:46,582 --> 00:27:50,543 He used to do Fred Astaire and James Cagney. 424 00:27:50,627 --> 00:27:54,297 Then aII of a sudden, he wouId add a IittIe bit of something in there, different. 425 00:27:54,423 --> 00:27:56,883 And that was him feeling what he was doing. 426 00:27:57,634 --> 00:28:00,678 He excited me. I saw aII of this in him. 427 00:28:00,763 --> 00:28:03,097 I saw things that he couId do that I couIdn't. 428 00:28:04,266 --> 00:28:07,060 He had the makings of a great singer. 429 00:28:07,227 --> 00:28:10,563 MichaeI had universaI appeaI back when he was reaI young. 430 00:28:10,647 --> 00:28:14,025 I mean, we weren't reaIIy into marketing or anything Iike that, 431 00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:15,860 but it was aIready there. 432 00:28:15,944 --> 00:28:18,738 I think the word for it, the phraseoIogy, wouId be, 433 00:28:18,822 --> 00:28:23,409 "A diamond in the rough," without very many edges to buff off. 434 00:28:28,332 --> 00:28:30,166 With the rest of the brothers, now, 435 00:28:30,584 --> 00:28:32,085 Jermaine stuttered. 436 00:28:32,336 --> 00:28:34,837 And he always thought that if he stuttered when he taIked, 437 00:28:34,963 --> 00:28:36,255 that he would do it when he sang. 438 00:28:37,091 --> 00:28:39,967 So I had to push Jermaine more than I had to push anyone eIse. 439 00:28:40,135 --> 00:28:44,305 And that's aII I used, Jermaine, MichaeI and Jackie. 440 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,183 I did not use MarIon, did not use Tito. 441 00:28:47,476 --> 00:28:49,435 They couIdn't sing, right? 442 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,146 And I toId them. "Learn. Listen and Iearn." 443 00:28:52,314 --> 00:28:55,316 The complete group was not just those five boys. 444 00:28:55,818 --> 00:28:58,486 The compIete group had two other ones with them, 445 00:28:58,695 --> 00:29:00,696 one was Johnny Jackson, the drummer, 446 00:29:00,823 --> 00:29:03,366 one was Ronnie Rancifer, the pianist, 447 00:29:03,951 --> 00:29:06,953 which made the music for the group. 448 00:29:07,037 --> 00:29:09,622 Without them, there wouIdn't have been this Jackson 5. 449 00:29:11,792 --> 00:29:14,836 Every producer has their own method to the madness, 450 00:29:14,962 --> 00:29:17,004 and Bobby's was pretty cooI. 451 00:29:17,131 --> 00:29:19,924 He had the oId-schooI roughness on that, you know. 452 00:29:20,008 --> 00:29:22,051 You have to have a certain kind of roughness, 453 00:29:22,177 --> 00:29:23,553 a certain kind of discipIine. 454 00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:28,474 He feIt MichaeI had something so speciaI, and he toId that to him. 455 00:29:29,685 --> 00:29:30,726 But he said, 456 00:29:30,853 --> 00:29:35,815 "Do not think just me teIIing you makes it happen. 457 00:29:36,567 --> 00:29:38,526 "It does not. 458 00:29:38,652 --> 00:29:43,656 "You've gotta work and continue to work for what you achieve. 459 00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:45,533 "It wiII never be easy." 460 00:29:45,868 --> 00:29:48,995 He wasn't aIways patient. 461 00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:52,457 He wasn't aIways saying things that you wanna hear, 462 00:29:52,541 --> 00:29:54,208 or saying it right. 463 00:29:54,334 --> 00:29:59,881 But what he said and what he was doing was just trying to make them stars. 464 00:30:00,507 --> 00:30:04,927 Our Iast day at the RegaI Theater 465 00:30:05,053 --> 00:30:07,305 is when I went to Joe, I said, 466 00:30:07,389 --> 00:30:10,725 "Say now, why don't you Iet me put these kids at Motown?" 467 00:30:13,395 --> 00:30:16,898 And Joe said those words to me, "Man, I thought you'd never ask." 468 00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:23,112 We were in New York City. 469 00:30:23,238 --> 00:30:24,238 Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER 470 00:30:24,364 --> 00:30:27,825 And we had just finished performing with James Brown. 471 00:30:27,910 --> 00:30:29,577 We were opening up for him. 472 00:30:30,746 --> 00:30:33,581 Bobby TayIor had been begging Berry to check us out. 473 00:30:34,082 --> 00:30:35,291 Berry Gordy - FOUNDER, MOTOWN RECORD CORPORATION 474 00:30:35,417 --> 00:30:38,211 And he wouldn't do it because he had another kid on his label. 475 00:30:38,754 --> 00:30:43,382 And he was catching a Iot of fIak from the state 476 00:30:43,467 --> 00:30:47,136 about working this kid who's underage. 477 00:30:47,262 --> 00:30:51,849 Berry wouId say, "I never wanna have anything to do with kids in this business. 478 00:30:51,934 --> 00:30:52,975 "It's too much probIems. 479 00:30:53,101 --> 00:30:56,896 "I can't even handIe one. What am I gonna do with five?" 480 00:30:56,980 --> 00:30:59,232 And the one kid was IittIe Stevie Wonder. 481 00:31:01,443 --> 00:31:03,986 I drove MichaeI, MarIon, 482 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,241 Tommy Chong, who was in my band, from Cheech and Chong, 483 00:31:08,325 --> 00:31:10,743 from Chicago to Detroit. 484 00:31:10,827 --> 00:31:13,454 l take Michael directly to Motown. 485 00:31:13,956 --> 00:31:17,291 So I said, "Berry, I've got these kids here 486 00:31:17,417 --> 00:31:20,294 "and they're number one coming out of the bIock." 487 00:31:20,546 --> 00:31:22,922 I said, "The Iead singer's eight. 488 00:31:23,465 --> 00:31:25,675 "He can out-dance anybody you ever saw. 489 00:31:25,801 --> 00:31:27,343 "Jackie WiIson, James Brown. 490 00:31:27,469 --> 00:31:32,557 "If you cIose your eyes and Iisten to him after I finish teaching him, 491 00:31:32,641 --> 00:31:34,308 "the best singer you ever heard in your Iife." 492 00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:40,648 It was not easy to get a chiIdren's group signed to Motown. 493 00:31:41,149 --> 00:31:45,444 And Bobby TayIor knew that when he caIIed Berry 494 00:31:45,779 --> 00:31:49,615 and said, "I've got something so speciaI, you gotta see it," 495 00:31:50,867 --> 00:31:53,327 that Berry wouId jump once he did. 496 00:31:53,495 --> 00:31:58,165 Because he wouId not have taken them to Berry to waste his time. 497 00:31:59,501 --> 00:32:05,840 TAYLOR: The next morning, Berry Gordy called me from Los Angeles, and he says, 498 00:32:05,966 --> 00:32:08,009 "l want you to bring them out here." 499 00:32:10,304 --> 00:32:11,804 That's how they got to Motown. 500 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,313 Going to CaIifornia, the happiest day of my Iife. 501 00:32:20,397 --> 00:32:21,480 Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER 502 00:32:24,192 --> 00:32:28,195 Joseph had promised me that one day we wouId go to CaIifornia. 503 00:32:29,531 --> 00:32:32,116 I'd teII him, "No," I said, "Your promise came true, 504 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,994 "but you didn't bring me there, the chiIdren did." (CHUCKLES) 505 00:32:39,207 --> 00:32:42,001 Berry Gordy was having a party for Diana Ross. 506 00:32:42,085 --> 00:32:43,628 It was her birthday. 507 00:32:43,712 --> 00:32:47,381 So he asked us to perform at this party for Diana, 508 00:32:48,050 --> 00:32:49,759 and of course we did. 509 00:32:49,885 --> 00:32:54,764 And at that party was, like, the Temptations, Smokey, the Vandellas, 510 00:32:54,890 --> 00:32:58,100 the Supremes, Four Tops. 511 00:32:58,226 --> 00:33:01,312 And here we are performing their songs to them. 512 00:33:01,396 --> 00:33:02,730 So we was quite nervous. 513 00:33:03,607 --> 00:33:04,690 Dionne Warwick SINGER 514 00:33:04,775 --> 00:33:08,569 I first met MichaeI, he was, I think he was 1 0 years oId. 515 00:33:08,695 --> 00:33:10,696 He was flown out with his brothers 516 00:33:10,781 --> 00:33:13,366 to sing for Berry Gordy, Jr. 517 00:33:14,076 --> 00:33:17,578 Berry had invited a bunch of people up to his home. 518 00:33:17,704 --> 00:33:22,083 This IittIe bitty thing came in and he sat down next to me 519 00:33:22,918 --> 00:33:25,586 and he Iooked at me and he says, "And who are you?" 520 00:33:25,712 --> 00:33:28,422 l said, "l'm Dionne Warwick. Who are you?" 521 00:33:29,091 --> 00:33:30,716 "l'm Michael Jackson." 522 00:33:30,801 --> 00:33:35,221 I said, "Nice to know you, MichaeI Jackson. And what do you do, MichaeI Jackson?" 523 00:33:35,764 --> 00:33:38,057 He says, "Oh, I sing." 524 00:33:38,892 --> 00:33:42,436 I said, "You sing? Can you sing?" 525 00:33:42,896 --> 00:33:45,106 He said, "Yes, I can sing." 526 00:33:45,649 --> 00:33:49,235 I mean, IittIe feisty, beautifuI young boy. 527 00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:52,571 I said, "WeII, that's what we're here for. We're gonna see if you can sing." 528 00:33:52,656 --> 00:33:54,281 (UP-TEMPO SONG PLAYING) 529 00:34:00,622 --> 00:34:03,541 Watching them perform was excitement. 530 00:34:03,625 --> 00:34:04,667 Brenda HoIIoway ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 531 00:34:04,793 --> 00:34:06,961 Everyone in the group was an individuaI. 532 00:34:10,006 --> 00:34:13,134 And I feeI that every one of them couId have gone on their own. 533 00:34:13,260 --> 00:34:14,802 But MichaeI was the star. 534 00:34:21,852 --> 00:34:26,230 SMOKEY ROBINSON: They came in (CHUCKLES) and they sang a few songs. 535 00:34:26,314 --> 00:34:28,399 They sang a coupIe songs by James Brown, you know, 536 00:34:28,483 --> 00:34:29,525 Smokey Robinson ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 537 00:34:29,651 --> 00:34:35,156 and MichaeI did the James Brown dances, and he reaIIy did them. 538 00:34:35,282 --> 00:34:39,034 He's 1 0 years oId and he was dancing Iike he was about 30. 539 00:34:39,161 --> 00:34:43,831 How in the worId couId this IittIe boy, and he was a kid, 540 00:34:43,957 --> 00:34:45,291 be so taIented? 541 00:34:45,375 --> 00:34:47,710 That's what everybody went away taIking about. 542 00:34:52,716 --> 00:34:56,093 I think aII of us Motown artists were astonished 543 00:34:56,178 --> 00:34:57,219 Kim Weston ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 544 00:34:57,345 --> 00:35:01,140 because here's a kid that, you know, seemed to have no fear. 545 00:35:01,224 --> 00:35:07,354 You know, when the music hit, he was ready, you know, or ready before the music hit. 546 00:35:07,689 --> 00:35:09,565 He said, "I want you to know something, too." 547 00:35:09,691 --> 00:35:10,941 I said, "What's that?" 548 00:35:11,026 --> 00:35:14,403 "You sang a song about my name, MichaeI." 549 00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:18,824 I said, "Yeah. You think that song was for you?" 550 00:35:20,368 --> 00:35:22,161 He said, "Wasn't it?" 551 00:35:22,245 --> 00:35:23,537 (LAUGHS) 552 00:35:24,498 --> 00:35:28,083 He was an adorable child. lt was a wonderful meeting. 553 00:35:28,835 --> 00:35:31,045 They Ioved it. They enjoyed it. 554 00:35:31,421 --> 00:35:33,214 That was our audition. 555 00:35:34,424 --> 00:35:37,593 So l'm very proud of that moment in our life. 556 00:35:42,224 --> 00:35:44,183 There was another worId about to open 557 00:35:44,267 --> 00:35:45,309 David Gest MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND 558 00:35:45,393 --> 00:35:47,686 and he was ready to deIve into it. 559 00:35:47,896 --> 00:35:49,146 Marvin Gaye 560 00:35:49,231 --> 00:35:50,356 Junior WaIker 561 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,149 When you went to Motown, it was... Everyone was there. 562 00:35:52,234 --> 00:35:53,651 The IsIey Brothers 563 00:35:53,735 --> 00:35:54,777 Kim Weston 564 00:35:54,903 --> 00:35:55,986 Edwin Starr 565 00:35:56,071 --> 00:35:57,112 Jimmy Ruffin 566 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,741 It was Iike DisneyIand. You saw Smokey, you saw Mary, you saw Diana Ross. 567 00:36:00,867 --> 00:36:04,745 But everybody was trying to perfect their artistry. 568 00:36:04,871 --> 00:36:07,206 The feeIing at Motown was it was a famiIy, a musicaI famiIy. 569 00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:08,541 VaIerie Simpson & NickoIas Ashford 570 00:36:08,625 --> 00:36:09,792 SINGERS / SONGWRITERS, 'ASHFORD & SIMPSON' 571 00:36:09,918 --> 00:36:13,587 And we aII were a part of exceIIence and greatness, musicaI greatness. 572 00:36:13,713 --> 00:36:16,757 And we so were fans of each other's work, 573 00:36:16,883 --> 00:36:20,094 so that when we saw each other, it was just instant love. 574 00:36:20,220 --> 00:36:23,973 We got, "We knew what you were doing. I heard what you're working on." 575 00:36:24,099 --> 00:36:26,725 And it just... We kept pushing each other. 576 00:36:26,935 --> 00:36:29,061 When you start working with the best in the business 577 00:36:29,145 --> 00:36:30,563 RusseII Thompkins, Jr. LEAD SINGER, 'THE STYLISTICS' 578 00:36:30,647 --> 00:36:32,356 that are teaching you how to dance, how to pIay this 579 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,776 and teaching you how to sing this, putting you at the piano, 580 00:36:35,902 --> 00:36:40,322 vocaI coaches, dancing coaches, peopIe who teach you how to taIk. 581 00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:43,576 When you work with that from the time that you're a young man, 582 00:36:43,743 --> 00:36:46,495 you grow up with so much influence. 583 00:36:46,663 --> 00:36:49,290 So it wasn't just the fact that Michael Jackson 584 00:36:49,416 --> 00:36:53,294 was born with so much great taIent. He aIways had it around him. 585 00:36:58,592 --> 00:37:00,593 MichaeI Jackson studied aII the artists, aII the great artists. 586 00:37:00,677 --> 00:37:01,760 Jimmy Ruffin ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 587 00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:06,849 He studied me, he studied Marvin Gaye, he studied Stevie Wonder. 588 00:37:06,975 --> 00:37:08,267 He studied everybody. 589 00:37:08,351 --> 00:37:13,022 We were the best in the country at the time. 590 00:37:18,445 --> 00:37:21,530 The first time I saw them perform was in San Francisco 591 00:37:21,656 --> 00:37:23,449 and I was Iike, "Wow." 592 00:37:23,533 --> 00:37:25,868 It was Iike, "There's nobody that good." 593 00:37:31,541 --> 00:37:34,835 Berry Gordy was Iike, "Keep your cards cIose to your chest. 594 00:37:35,295 --> 00:37:37,463 "Don't Iet peopIe know what you're thinking. 595 00:37:38,173 --> 00:37:41,467 "Don't Iet the artists know how much peopIe Iike 'em." 596 00:37:42,010 --> 00:37:43,719 He was a shrewd guy. 597 00:37:46,514 --> 00:37:51,477 Berry Iooked after every aspect of an artist's career. 598 00:37:51,561 --> 00:37:55,940 Now, some may compIain today that they didn't get paid enough royaIties 599 00:37:56,024 --> 00:37:59,818 and they never received a Iot of their pubIishing. 600 00:37:59,903 --> 00:38:01,487 But l'll tell you something. 601 00:38:02,030 --> 00:38:05,741 Berry Gordy made these artists. 602 00:38:06,201 --> 00:38:07,910 Everybody, I think, had different reIationships with Berry. 603 00:38:08,036 --> 00:38:09,036 AbduI 'Duke' Fakir ARTIST, 'THE FOUR TOPS' 604 00:38:09,162 --> 00:38:11,997 We had a great reIationship with Berry and we stiII do. 605 00:38:12,082 --> 00:38:16,210 He gave us... He promised us things that he made come true, 606 00:38:16,336 --> 00:38:21,173 that he couIdn't put in the contract. But he promised them and kept his word. 607 00:38:21,257 --> 00:38:27,513 What he saw in the Jackson 5 was a chiIdren's group that couId transcend 608 00:38:28,014 --> 00:38:32,059 every age group. And he nurtured their taIents. 609 00:38:32,727 --> 00:38:34,603 He knew he had something speciaI. 610 00:38:35,063 --> 00:38:38,065 I made him sit in whiIe I was doing the music 611 00:38:38,191 --> 00:38:39,233 Bobby TayIor ARTIST, GORDY / MOTOWN RECORDS 612 00:38:39,859 --> 00:38:41,610 that they had to work with. 613 00:38:41,945 --> 00:38:46,281 They were with me 20 hours a day. 614 00:38:46,408 --> 00:38:49,284 Being attentive, if l saw somebody sleeping, 615 00:38:49,411 --> 00:38:51,537 then l would send them back to the house 616 00:38:51,621 --> 00:38:53,789 and teII them, "I don't wanna see you for a week." 617 00:38:53,915 --> 00:38:56,417 They worked hard, they reaIIy worked hard. 618 00:38:57,919 --> 00:39:02,881 MichaeI now wouId stay over at Diana Ross's house and rehearse. 619 00:39:03,091 --> 00:39:05,801 He really liked Diana Ross and she liked him. 620 00:39:06,261 --> 00:39:08,595 HOLLOWAY: Diana Ross was showing him off. 621 00:39:08,763 --> 00:39:11,724 She just Iike... She was the one that discovered him 622 00:39:11,808 --> 00:39:16,895 and Iater on I found out that Bobby TayIor actuaIIy discovered him. 623 00:39:18,606 --> 00:39:19,815 TITO: l think we were just kids. 624 00:39:19,941 --> 00:39:23,944 We didn't reaIise aII the great accompIishments 625 00:39:24,070 --> 00:39:25,779 that we had achieved. 626 00:39:25,905 --> 00:39:31,201 Seeing HoIIywood and pIaying with Diana Ross. I mean, we were in heaven. 627 00:39:31,286 --> 00:39:34,955 Just those things aIone was priceIess to us. 628 00:39:35,123 --> 00:39:37,624 MichaeI toId me when he came to LA, 629 00:39:37,751 --> 00:39:40,627 it was Iike his whoIe worId had changed. 630 00:39:41,129 --> 00:39:46,467 He couId buy as much candy as he wanted because nobody wouId say no to him. 631 00:39:46,968 --> 00:39:49,136 (R&B SONG PLAYING) 632 00:39:53,475 --> 00:39:56,060 MichaeI and I went to see the Four Tops, 633 00:39:56,144 --> 00:40:01,940 it was around 1 971 or '72. 634 00:40:06,112 --> 00:40:08,197 MichaeI and David just came to the dressing room 635 00:40:08,323 --> 00:40:10,699 and in the dressing room was aIso Stevie Wonder. 636 00:40:11,493 --> 00:40:15,454 GEST: l said to Levi Stubbs, "You're brilliant. l love your voice." 637 00:40:15,538 --> 00:40:19,458 And MichaeI Iooked at him and said, "I Iearned everything from you." 638 00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:21,835 And he was cut off. Stevie said, "What?" 639 00:40:22,045 --> 00:40:24,922 And he grabbed Michael and flung him up against the wall... 640 00:40:25,006 --> 00:40:27,549 And said, "You Iearned everything from who?" 641 00:40:27,675 --> 00:40:29,718 And he goes, "You, Stevie, you." 642 00:40:29,844 --> 00:40:32,805 (LAUGHS) It was so funny. It was so funny. 643 00:40:33,306 --> 00:40:35,182 Levi and I, we never forgot that. 644 00:40:37,143 --> 00:40:40,395 Bobby TayIor and I wouId take MichaeI to the goIf course with us. 645 00:40:40,522 --> 00:40:43,774 He had never even picked up a golf club in his life. 646 00:40:43,858 --> 00:40:46,527 Yet, he was our greatest golf critic. 647 00:40:46,986 --> 00:40:49,446 "WeII, Smokey, you know, you hit your baII over in the woods 648 00:40:49,531 --> 00:40:52,699 "because you didn't have your foot standing right here..." 649 00:40:53,326 --> 00:40:59,373 "Bobby, see, your cIub was not, you know..." He's gonna teII us why we had a bad shot. 650 00:40:59,707 --> 00:41:02,417 But it was fun. He was a great, fun kid. 651 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,549 RANCIFER: The first time l heard I Want You Back in the studio, 652 00:41:08,675 --> 00:41:13,011 I noticed a different kind of brightness to the movement, 653 00:41:13,096 --> 00:41:14,304 Ronnie Rancifer KEYBOARDIST, 'JACKSON 5' 1 967-77 654 00:41:14,389 --> 00:41:16,765 other than normaI Motown brightness. 655 00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:19,518 It was going in a different direction, 656 00:41:19,602 --> 00:41:23,230 which was good because Motown's sound was diversified. 657 00:41:23,439 --> 00:41:27,526 GEST: When you listened to I Want You Back, you knew Berry had a knack to get 658 00:41:27,610 --> 00:41:31,572 the best commerciaI record out of these kids 659 00:41:31,698 --> 00:41:33,949 and make them a worIdwide success. 660 00:41:34,242 --> 00:41:35,617 (SINGING) 661 00:41:41,708 --> 00:41:47,212 When my sister and my mom first heard our first hit record, l Want You Back, 662 00:41:47,297 --> 00:41:50,424 my father had sent it over, they didn't care for it. 663 00:41:50,633 --> 00:41:52,342 I didn't Iike it at aII. 664 00:41:52,427 --> 00:41:55,012 Because the songs that the chiIdren sang 665 00:41:55,096 --> 00:41:58,765 was more Iike the, I shouId say, souI music. 666 00:41:59,434 --> 00:42:02,394 And to me, I Want You Back didn't sound that way. 667 00:42:02,979 --> 00:42:06,648 AII the songs that was out then sound so different, 668 00:42:06,774 --> 00:42:09,401 so I guess Berry wanted to bring out a different styIe. 669 00:42:09,485 --> 00:42:13,572 LittIe did they know it was a very big song, number one. 670 00:42:14,073 --> 00:42:15,449 (SINGING) 671 00:42:24,334 --> 00:42:26,460 It was just an unbeIievabIe track. 672 00:42:26,586 --> 00:42:30,172 It just came out of the radio Iike Iightning. 673 00:42:30,298 --> 00:42:34,760 Oh, them Jackson 5, that is a kickin' group. 674 00:42:34,844 --> 00:42:39,306 "Wow, that's them?" And I had to get used to the song 675 00:42:39,807 --> 00:42:42,476 because even though it was a very big hit, 676 00:42:44,312 --> 00:42:47,522 your brothers singing on a record, on vinyI, and you hearing it 677 00:42:47,649 --> 00:42:49,149 is something totaIIy different. 678 00:42:49,692 --> 00:42:50,734 MICHAEL: Wejust don't have songs that come and go, 679 00:42:50,818 --> 00:42:53,111 Voice of MichaeI Jackson Interview courtesy of J. Randy TaraborreIIi 680 00:42:53,196 --> 00:42:54,947 we have songs that'll be around all the time. 681 00:42:55,031 --> 00:42:57,741 Like, you'll hear 'em on the FM cIassicaI stations, 682 00:42:57,825 --> 00:43:00,869 by the Philharmonic Orchestra, things like that. 683 00:43:00,995 --> 00:43:05,207 So it's just not what people call it, kiddie rock. lt's not that. 684 00:43:05,959 --> 00:43:08,001 And a million sellers, a million selling. 685 00:43:08,336 --> 00:43:09,753 J. Randy TaraborreIIi JACKSON'S FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER 686 00:43:09,837 --> 00:43:13,674 It was difficuIt to beIieve that they were Motown artists, 687 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,676 because they were just kids. 688 00:43:15,802 --> 00:43:19,054 lt was as if they had some kind of stardust rub off on them 689 00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:22,808 because, you know, they were becoming close to Berry Gordy, 690 00:43:22,892 --> 00:43:25,644 Diana Ross, and to aII of my idoIs. 691 00:43:31,317 --> 00:43:34,278 When I wrote Who's Lovin' You, I was, you know, in my earIy 20s. 692 00:43:34,362 --> 00:43:35,404 Smokey Robinson ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 693 00:43:44,831 --> 00:43:49,334 But at Ieast, at that point, I had had a chance to experience 694 00:43:49,419 --> 00:43:51,378 some Iife and some Iove. 695 00:43:51,504 --> 00:43:54,339 l was married. l got married when l was 19. 696 00:43:55,258 --> 00:43:59,011 The subject matter of the song is Iike a person 697 00:43:59,095 --> 00:44:03,056 who has somebody who reaIIy Ioves them. 698 00:44:03,558 --> 00:44:05,767 And yet they don't appreciate it. They do the person wrong. 699 00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:08,228 The first time I heard Smokey's Who's Lovin' You, 700 00:44:08,354 --> 00:44:10,939 my assistant was pIaying it and it's one of those, 701 00:44:11,065 --> 00:44:18,071 oh, party, red-Iight, basement-type, you know, up on it. 702 00:44:20,408 --> 00:44:22,284 But when MichaeI got ahoId to it, 703 00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:25,746 and Bobby TayIor infused him up with that funk, 704 00:44:25,872 --> 00:44:30,250 man, Michael put that soul in that song so deep, it was soulful. 705 00:44:30,752 --> 00:44:32,377 (SOULFUL SONG PLAYING) 706 00:44:48,102 --> 00:44:51,772 How couId he possibIy know what that song meant? 707 00:44:51,939 --> 00:44:53,607 He sang it Iike he had written it. 708 00:44:56,277 --> 00:44:59,946 l sing Who's Lovin' You, orpart ofit, in my live concerts 709 00:45:00,615 --> 00:45:03,992 and many times, young peopIe have come up to me after the concert and said, 710 00:45:04,118 --> 00:45:06,453 "Oh, I didn't know you sang MichaeI Jackson's song." 711 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,840 A kid, 1 1 years oId, singing that song with that much emotion? It was incredibIe. 712 00:45:19,092 --> 00:45:20,133 UnbeIievabIe. 713 00:45:34,649 --> 00:45:37,025 He seemed as if he was an oId souI, 714 00:45:37,485 --> 00:45:40,862 that he couId take a song Iike Who's Lovin' You 715 00:45:40,988 --> 00:45:44,825 and he couId actuaIIy interpret those Iyrics 716 00:45:44,951 --> 00:45:46,868 in a way that made you beIieve 717 00:45:46,994 --> 00:45:50,622 that he had those experiences, when actuaIIy he was 1 0 years oId. 718 00:45:50,998 --> 00:45:54,459 If you didn't know he was a kid, you'd have thought he was an oId man. 719 00:45:54,544 --> 00:45:55,794 (LAUGHS) 720 00:45:55,878 --> 00:45:57,754 But he was singing it from his heart. 721 00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:00,132 You know, MichaeI's Iife was kind of paradoxicaI to me, 722 00:46:00,216 --> 00:46:03,844 because when he was a chiId, he was a man. 723 00:46:04,345 --> 00:46:07,139 So when he was a man, he got the chance to be a chiId and he took it. 724 00:46:19,026 --> 00:46:24,656 He had a way of interpreting a Iyric, even as a very young boy, 725 00:46:24,866 --> 00:46:27,367 that made you beIieve the song. 726 00:46:40,923 --> 00:46:42,883 He knew how to perform. 727 00:46:43,259 --> 00:46:46,219 This was, I think, something that Berry Gordy reaIIy Iiked about MichaeI 728 00:46:46,345 --> 00:46:48,972 because, not onIy was he a great vocaI taIent, 729 00:46:49,056 --> 00:46:50,474 but he was a great performer. 730 00:46:50,558 --> 00:46:52,851 Watching him, as a kid, be so comfortabIe performing 731 00:46:52,935 --> 00:46:54,019 Peabo Bryson SINGER 732 00:46:54,103 --> 00:46:59,232 probabIy heIped me become a better performer, actuaIIy. 733 00:46:59,567 --> 00:47:01,485 His voice was nearIy as high as Stevie Wonder's. 734 00:47:01,569 --> 00:47:02,652 Martha Reeves ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 735 00:47:02,737 --> 00:47:04,738 I met Stevie when he was eight years oId 736 00:47:04,906 --> 00:47:11,328 and I said, "Here's another IittIe youngster who's far beyond his age, taIent-wise, 737 00:47:11,412 --> 00:47:15,749 "but abIe to sing aduIt songs in perfect-pitched voices, 738 00:47:15,875 --> 00:47:18,210 "reaI high voices that hadn't changed yet." 739 00:47:26,969 --> 00:47:29,221 His voice and his expressions and his... 740 00:47:29,305 --> 00:47:30,347 WeIdon Arthur McDougaI III 741 00:47:30,431 --> 00:47:31,473 A & R EXECUTIVE, MOTOWN RECORDS 1 969-80 742 00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:35,227 ...charisma start taking these songs over. 743 00:47:36,103 --> 00:47:40,023 Like, if Smokey feIt Iike he did his song 744 00:47:40,107 --> 00:47:42,776 and more peopIe Iike the way MichaeI did it than him, 745 00:47:42,902 --> 00:47:45,737 that's because he did that with aII of his songs at that time. 746 00:47:51,452 --> 00:47:57,165 No matter who it was, the O'Jays, the DeIIs, the Whispers or the BeatIes, 747 00:47:57,625 --> 00:47:59,417 we wanted to be the best. 748 00:47:59,502 --> 00:48:02,879 And that's what we were striving for. 749 00:48:04,924 --> 00:48:11,596 Berry Gordy did not Iike the stuff that Bobby TayIor was recording on them. 750 00:48:11,722 --> 00:48:17,978 I wanted to do the boys a certain way, but he wanted me to do 'em his way. 751 00:48:19,313 --> 00:48:23,066 And I says, "I can't do 'em the way you want me to do 'em. 752 00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:24,901 "I must have my own head." 753 00:48:24,986 --> 00:48:26,778 So he says, "Okay, we're going back to Detroit." 754 00:48:27,113 --> 00:48:28,655 Then he took over. 755 00:48:28,739 --> 00:48:33,827 RANCIFER: Berry Gordy, in turn, put his crew together. 756 00:48:34,287 --> 00:48:38,748 The Corporation was estabIished to bring fresh new materiaI 757 00:48:39,166 --> 00:48:40,834 to the Jackson 5. 758 00:48:40,918 --> 00:48:42,502 YouthfuI materiaI. 759 00:48:42,795 --> 00:48:48,466 I think he probabIy feIt that Bobby TayIor wouId 760 00:48:49,802 --> 00:48:54,848 give them more aduIt materiaI and forget that they were chiIdren. 761 00:48:54,932 --> 00:48:58,685 He saw gaziIIions, right? 762 00:48:59,103 --> 00:49:00,270 Then he took over. 763 00:49:00,354 --> 00:49:05,025 Bobby TayIor did never get the recognition he shouId have gotten 764 00:49:05,651 --> 00:49:07,527 for working with them, 765 00:49:08,821 --> 00:49:11,031 from the group or the pubIic. 766 00:49:13,326 --> 00:49:18,538 Bobby TayIor produced 1 0 songs on the aIbum: 'Diana Ross Presents The Jackson 5' 767 00:49:20,374 --> 00:49:25,795 During 1 969-70 the Jackson 5 reIeased 4 number one singIes in a row. 768 00:49:32,678 --> 00:49:34,387 The Corporation, is what they caIIed themseIves, 769 00:49:34,472 --> 00:49:39,142 they topped themseIves with those earIy songs by the Jackson 5, 770 00:49:39,226 --> 00:49:40,727 they were absoIuteIy incredibIe. 771 00:49:40,853 --> 00:49:42,812 AbsoIuteIy incredibIe. 772 00:49:43,064 --> 00:49:46,900 KATHERINE: When my boys had five gold records in a row, 773 00:49:49,028 --> 00:49:53,239 I was very proud of them because I know it was something that they wanted 774 00:49:53,407 --> 00:49:56,159 and it was their dream. 775 00:49:56,243 --> 00:49:59,412 And they were happy and I was happy. 776 00:49:59,538 --> 00:50:01,581 The whole family was happy about that. 777 00:50:06,379 --> 00:50:08,672 We did a show once for Jesse Jackson. 778 00:50:08,756 --> 00:50:09,839 Dennis Edwards LEAD SINGER, 'THE TEMPTATIONS' 779 00:50:09,924 --> 00:50:11,675 You know, Jesse Jackson, he's the activist. 780 00:50:11,759 --> 00:50:15,428 He's got an organisation caIIed PUSH Expo. 781 00:50:15,554 --> 00:50:17,681 He booked the Temptations and the Jackson 5. 782 00:50:17,765 --> 00:50:19,182 They were just up and coming. 783 00:50:19,266 --> 00:50:24,771 We were superstars at that time and, oh, man, it was so many peopIe. 784 00:50:25,022 --> 00:50:26,773 (PEOPLE CHEERING) 785 00:50:27,191 --> 00:50:29,526 MCDOUGAL: When they did that show, 786 00:50:30,111 --> 00:50:32,612 the Temptations got a great response. 787 00:50:34,782 --> 00:50:38,535 When the Jackson 5 came on, it was phenomenaI. 788 00:50:38,953 --> 00:50:41,246 I mean, aImost bIew the roof off the pIace. 789 00:50:45,292 --> 00:50:46,960 EDWARDS: They couldn't get us to our limos. 790 00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:50,547 They had to back up an armoured car, a Brink's car. 791 00:50:50,631 --> 00:50:53,633 It's Iike a moment in history. 792 00:50:54,468 --> 00:50:59,264 That's when they finaIIy made it with the bIack R&B pubIic. 793 00:50:59,724 --> 00:51:02,475 They were just ripe for stardom. 794 00:51:05,312 --> 00:51:08,314 On the stage, he was a different guy. 795 00:51:11,152 --> 00:51:15,613 He was reaIIy as much of an actor in so many ways as he was a singer. 796 00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:17,657 MICHAEL: A lot ofpeople always come up to a lot of us and say 797 00:51:17,783 --> 00:51:20,076 Voice of MichaeI Jackson Interview courtesy of J. Randy TaraborreIIi 798 00:51:20,161 --> 00:51:21,161 it's like two different people. 799 00:51:21,287 --> 00:51:23,246 On stage and off stage. 800 00:51:23,330 --> 00:51:28,001 When we was taIking, he's shy and, you know, very soft spoken. 801 00:51:28,502 --> 00:51:31,004 But just when he jumped on that stage, he's Iike... 802 00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:32,589 (SCATTING) 803 00:51:33,007 --> 00:51:34,340 (SINGING) 804 00:51:41,515 --> 00:51:44,142 Well, l mean, he was a different person 805 00:51:44,351 --> 00:51:47,979 and l've never seen that in another artist's life. 806 00:51:48,606 --> 00:51:50,315 He was like two guys. 807 00:51:50,441 --> 00:51:54,277 Anything he felt that he wanted to do, he would do it on stage. 808 00:52:07,458 --> 00:52:09,876 The moment he came off of the stage, 809 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,714 he was back to the IittIe boy he was before he went on stage. 810 00:52:22,056 --> 00:52:24,724 MICHAEL: When l get on stage, l really, totally do. That's with a lot of performers. 811 00:52:24,850 --> 00:52:27,143 Voice of MichaeI Jackson Interview courtesy of J. Randy TaraborreIIi 812 00:52:27,228 --> 00:52:28,228 I've Iearned that about comedians, too. 813 00:52:28,354 --> 00:52:30,814 lt's like when l worked with Richard Pryor in The Wiz. 814 00:52:30,898 --> 00:52:33,900 A lot of people think he's the funniest guy to be around 24 hours. 815 00:52:33,984 --> 00:52:36,736 That's not true. He's really shy and quiet. 816 00:52:37,071 --> 00:52:38,822 We were aII Iike that, too. 817 00:52:38,906 --> 00:52:43,076 Singing or dancing in front of, like, one person, can't do it. 818 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,913 But, like, it's 30,000, you feel so free, so much easier. 819 00:52:46,997 --> 00:52:48,081 lt's hard to explain. 820 00:52:56,257 --> 00:52:59,342 What motivates MichaeI Jackson? 821 00:53:00,219 --> 00:53:02,095 That was an audience. 822 00:53:02,513 --> 00:53:03,680 Think about it. 823 00:53:03,764 --> 00:53:09,227 He's shy, he won't Iook at you, right? 824 00:53:09,395 --> 00:53:10,562 On stage, what is he? 825 00:53:17,111 --> 00:53:18,736 He owns it. 826 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,698 So if I had peopIe Iooking at him, 827 00:53:21,782 --> 00:53:24,951 I used to bring five, six girIs every time, right? 828 00:53:25,077 --> 00:53:28,371 And I'd say, "MichaeI, Iook at that girI, man. They think you're cute." 829 00:53:28,455 --> 00:53:31,875 MichaeI'd say, "Dang, Bobby, they said that?" 830 00:53:31,959 --> 00:53:35,253 I said, "You better go out there and sing now, son." 831 00:53:44,471 --> 00:53:47,557 I said, "You go out there and you mess up now," I said, 832 00:53:47,641 --> 00:53:49,642 "They're gonna teII aII the rest of the girIs out there. 833 00:53:49,727 --> 00:53:52,395 "You're gonna be one ugIy IittIe boy everywhere you go." 834 00:54:01,238 --> 00:54:04,407 He used to go out and do one take. 835 00:54:09,580 --> 00:54:14,459 When we were on the road, MichaeI wouId worry you to death. 836 00:54:14,752 --> 00:54:16,419 I hear somebody knocking on my door and say, 837 00:54:16,503 --> 00:54:21,174 "Hey, man, what's wrong?" "Oh, man, what you doing? I wanna come in." 838 00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:25,929 So I'd Iet him in. I'd say, "Man, why don't you hang out with Jackie and them guys?" 839 00:54:26,013 --> 00:54:28,473 "Hey, man, they got somebody in their room." 840 00:54:28,849 --> 00:54:30,183 (LAUGHS) 841 00:54:30,601 --> 00:54:32,435 l said, "Well, how do you know?" 842 00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:35,271 He said, "'Cause l was listening to the door for about an hour." 843 00:54:35,356 --> 00:54:36,981 (LAUGHING) 844 00:54:38,692 --> 00:54:41,152 He was Iike a IittIe boy, I mean, he... 845 00:54:41,278 --> 00:54:42,445 I said, "What were they doing?" 846 00:54:42,529 --> 00:54:44,864 He said, "They were taIking, but they won't Iet me in." 847 00:54:45,449 --> 00:54:51,204 They were Iike IittIe kids and they were very, very happy 848 00:54:51,288 --> 00:54:52,830 and very carefree. 849 00:54:52,957 --> 00:54:55,541 TARABORRELLI: Michael loved being Michael Jackson at that age. 850 00:54:56,627 --> 00:54:59,712 He Ioved touring, he Ioved recording at Motown. 851 00:54:59,838 --> 00:55:03,549 He Ioved his fans, he Ioved performing. 852 00:55:03,884 --> 00:55:08,805 MCDOUGAL: They had dirt bikes and they used to go on Saturday mornings. 853 00:55:08,889 --> 00:55:12,058 They'd go to a pIace where they couId ride them, 854 00:55:12,226 --> 00:55:14,644 and MichaeI used to tear that thing up. 855 00:55:14,728 --> 00:55:17,897 Man, he was fIying up and down over the hiIIs. 856 00:55:18,691 --> 00:55:22,318 l thought it was, you know, he was like any other little boy. 857 00:55:22,695 --> 00:55:25,738 But he was a little boy with a dirt bike. 858 00:55:26,073 --> 00:55:28,491 I mean, they had two or three of 'em. 859 00:55:28,575 --> 00:55:32,203 So, when peopIe say that he didn't have a chiIdhood, 860 00:55:32,663 --> 00:55:35,415 far as I'd seen he had a chiIdhood. 861 00:55:35,541 --> 00:55:39,168 When he was a kid, things were a Iot simpIer. 862 00:55:39,378 --> 00:55:44,590 And I think that, as they got oIder, the famiIy became more divided 863 00:55:45,009 --> 00:55:47,010 and other stuff happened in Michael Jackson's life 864 00:55:47,094 --> 00:55:49,762 to make him wish that he was 12 years old again. 865 00:55:49,888 --> 00:55:53,766 So, when he says he missed out on his chiIdhood, 866 00:55:53,892 --> 00:55:57,562 I've aIways feIt that what he reaIIy meant was that he just missed it very much. 867 00:55:57,771 --> 00:55:59,355 (SLOW SONG PLAYING) 868 00:56:04,778 --> 00:56:06,696 The first time I met him was when he was 14, 869 00:56:06,780 --> 00:56:07,864 Don BIack SONGWRITER, 'BEN' 870 00:56:07,948 --> 00:56:10,366 fuII of Iife, fuII of ambition. 871 00:56:11,535 --> 00:56:15,121 It was at the peak of his powers. 872 00:56:17,374 --> 00:56:21,419 Fire in his beIIy and just everything about him was fabuIous. 873 00:56:29,219 --> 00:56:31,554 I wrote it about friendship. 874 00:56:31,638 --> 00:56:34,807 The story is about this boy who's very seriously ill 875 00:56:34,933 --> 00:56:37,226 and nothing's going right for him. 876 00:56:37,311 --> 00:56:41,314 But a IittIe rat comes aIong one day, he sees it in his bedroom. 877 00:56:42,357 --> 00:56:46,986 But it was a lovely little mousey kind of rat. 878 00:56:47,654 --> 00:56:49,030 And he befriends him. 879 00:56:49,948 --> 00:56:54,077 And it makes the boy so much better, it Iifts his spirits up. 880 00:56:54,161 --> 00:56:57,371 And that's how I wrote the song, about friendship. 881 00:56:57,498 --> 00:56:58,748 lt can be about a rat. 882 00:56:58,832 --> 00:57:02,376 "The two of us need look no more. You're always running here and there." 883 00:57:02,503 --> 00:57:04,504 But it could be about a best friend. 884 00:57:09,885 --> 00:57:14,639 When MichaeI recorded Ben, I remember going to the studio 885 00:57:14,723 --> 00:57:17,266 and it was just magical. l just loved it. 886 00:57:17,351 --> 00:57:21,687 l always remember Michael getting very emotional about that song. 887 00:57:22,231 --> 00:57:25,191 His eyes weIIed up a bit, 888 00:57:25,317 --> 00:57:26,609 particuIarIy at the middIe bit. 889 00:57:26,693 --> 00:57:29,028 I'II never forget that image. 890 00:57:29,154 --> 00:57:32,573 The middIe bit was, "I used to say 'I' and 'me,' 891 00:57:32,699 --> 00:57:35,326 "now it's 'us,' now it's 'we."' 892 00:57:41,542 --> 00:57:43,918 MichaeI just Ioved those Iines. 893 00:57:44,044 --> 00:57:47,338 In fact, that's why, I think, we repeat them in the song. 894 00:57:47,422 --> 00:57:48,881 We do it again. (CHUCKLES) 895 00:57:54,221 --> 00:57:57,014 There was a Ionging, I think, for Iove and acceptance, 896 00:57:57,099 --> 00:57:59,433 going aII the way back to when he was a IittIe kid. 897 00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:04,438 And you were abIe to hear that Ionging in his voice. 898 00:58:04,565 --> 00:58:05,648 Singing is passion. 899 00:58:05,732 --> 00:58:06,774 Bobby TayIor ARTIST, GORDY / MOTOWN RECORDS 900 00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:08,067 You have to do it from inside of you. 901 00:58:08,902 --> 00:58:12,530 It has to come from your souI, your heart. 902 00:58:15,534 --> 00:58:16,951 And MichaeI Jackson had that. 903 00:58:17,077 --> 00:58:19,704 It wasn't done for the posture of "I did this." 904 00:58:19,788 --> 00:58:21,372 Dionne Warwick SINGER 905 00:58:21,456 --> 00:58:25,084 It was done because his heart said, "This is what I need to do," and he did it. 906 00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:26,752 MichaeI sings Iike an angeI. 907 00:58:26,837 --> 00:58:28,421 He has the voice of an angeI and he does... 908 00:58:28,547 --> 00:58:29,589 Kenny GambIe & Leon Huff 909 00:58:29,673 --> 00:58:30,923 PRODUCERS / SONGWRITERS, PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS 910 00:58:31,049 --> 00:58:33,676 Every note is right on it and he was doing that at nine years oId. 911 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,262 MICHAEL: l recorded Ben l don't know how long ago. 912 00:58:36,388 --> 00:58:38,681 I mean, I hear it aII the time stiII, you know, go on and on and on. 913 00:58:38,765 --> 00:58:41,100 Voice of MichaeI Jackson Interview courtesy of J. Randy TaraborreIIi 914 00:58:41,185 --> 00:58:42,602 Yeah, it's selling more now. 915 00:58:42,686 --> 00:58:44,562 So, it's what you leave behind, l think. 916 00:58:51,445 --> 00:58:55,573 BLACK: There are people who come along once in a lifetime. 917 00:58:56,116 --> 00:58:58,409 MichaeI Jackson, he onIy happens once. 918 00:58:58,911 --> 00:59:00,453 (SLOW SONG CONTINUES PLAYING) 919 00:59:18,055 --> 00:59:21,390 When you think about MichaeI Jackson, you think about him as a kid. 920 00:59:21,475 --> 00:59:22,558 Freda Payne SINGER 921 00:59:22,643 --> 00:59:26,562 Like when he did some of those earIier songs, Iike Ben. 922 00:59:33,487 --> 00:59:36,989 And then as he grew and evoIved and became a young man, 923 00:59:38,617 --> 00:59:42,078 I saw the metamorphosis of a beautifuI, beautifuI fIower, 924 00:59:42,162 --> 00:59:44,455 just bIooming and unfoIding. 925 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,921 MichaeI enjoyed what he was doing. 926 00:59:52,005 --> 00:59:53,089 Mickey & Jan Rooney JACKSON'S FRIENDS 927 00:59:53,173 --> 00:59:58,177 That's why, transition from very young to getting oIder, 928 00:59:58,512 --> 01:00:05,017 it's just one year after another, but doing what the good Lord Iet us do. 929 01:00:05,519 --> 01:00:08,354 GEST: When Michael became a teenager, his voice changed. 930 01:00:08,438 --> 01:00:11,190 He reaIised that he wouId be singing different types of music, 931 01:00:11,275 --> 01:00:12,275 David Gest MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND 932 01:00:12,359 --> 01:00:16,028 not kiddie pop songs Iike he had been most of his career. 933 01:00:17,447 --> 01:00:21,033 EDDIE HOLLAND: The first time we worked with the Jackson 5 was very exciting. 934 01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:23,369 Because the one thing I noticed about the group, 935 01:00:23,453 --> 01:00:24,453 Brian & Eddie HoIIand 936 01:00:24,538 --> 01:00:25,621 SONGWRITERS, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND 937 01:00:25,706 --> 01:00:28,958 that they were extremeIy down to earth, very mannerabIe, 938 01:00:29,042 --> 01:00:30,710 very, very poIite. 939 01:00:30,836 --> 01:00:34,463 MichaeI recorded severaI songs of mine and the HoIIands' 940 01:00:34,548 --> 01:00:35,715 Lamont Dozier SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND 941 01:00:35,841 --> 01:00:38,175 and Forever Came Today was one of my favourites. 942 01:00:38,343 --> 01:00:39,719 (SINGING) 943 01:00:42,889 --> 01:00:46,350 He had such pipes and drama in his voice 944 01:00:46,476 --> 01:00:48,185 to be so young. 945 01:00:52,691 --> 01:00:54,984 He was just one of a kind in that respect. 946 01:00:55,068 --> 01:00:57,194 He reaIIy did the songs justice. 947 01:00:58,989 --> 01:01:02,908 I think MichaeI knew how important Iyric was to the song. 948 01:01:02,993 --> 01:01:04,076 VaIerie Simpson & NickoIas Ashford 949 01:01:04,161 --> 01:01:05,578 SINGERS / SONGWRITERS, 'ASHFORD & SIMPSON' 950 01:01:05,704 --> 01:01:08,998 And it had to reach, touch something, I think, for him to reaIIy wanna sing it. 951 01:01:09,082 --> 01:01:12,835 And, you know, he'd dance and sing at the same time 952 01:01:12,919 --> 01:01:15,755 so it had to correspond with his body, too. 953 01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:19,091 So it aII had to be one piece for him. 954 01:01:23,597 --> 01:01:26,932 He didn't want fIuff. He wanted something with Iegs on it, 955 01:01:27,059 --> 01:01:29,352 something that was gonna Iast through time 956 01:01:29,436 --> 01:01:31,854 and that's actuaIIy what he ended up creating. 957 01:01:32,064 --> 01:01:36,108 The bigger he became as an artist, 958 01:01:36,943 --> 01:01:41,447 the more enamoured he seemed to be over songwriters. 959 01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:50,623 A Iot of peopIe have done those songs and couIdn't get a handIe on 'em 960 01:01:50,749 --> 01:01:53,376 like the Levi Stubbs or Diana Ross, 961 01:01:53,460 --> 01:01:57,254 but he just had a knack, a gift. 962 01:01:57,631 --> 01:02:00,966 He aIready had a cake but then he put icing aII on top of it. 963 01:02:05,263 --> 01:02:06,806 TARABORRELLI: Around 1974, 964 01:02:07,265 --> 01:02:09,809 they started doing product at Motown that perhaps wasn't the best. 965 01:02:09,893 --> 01:02:11,227 J. Randy TaraborreIIi JACKSON FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER 966 01:02:11,311 --> 01:02:14,897 As a fan, l loved songs like The Boogie Man is gonna get you, 967 01:02:14,981 --> 01:02:18,818 and Lookin' through the Windows, and Skywriter, 968 01:02:18,985 --> 01:02:20,986 but these songs weren't hits. 969 01:02:22,823 --> 01:02:24,323 MCDOUGAL: Joe mentioned to me 970 01:02:24,408 --> 01:02:30,329 severaI times that he feIt Iike Motown was taking the group over, 971 01:02:30,455 --> 01:02:33,332 taking them away from his direction. 972 01:02:34,835 --> 01:02:36,585 What happened was that 973 01:02:36,670 --> 01:02:39,130 Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder and Smokey Robinson 974 01:02:39,256 --> 01:02:41,924 were writing and producing and doing a lot of things at Motown 975 01:02:42,175 --> 01:02:44,510 that the Jacksons had begun to want to do for themseIves. 976 01:02:44,928 --> 01:02:47,763 And to see how Motown treated other artists 977 01:02:47,848 --> 01:02:50,182 and how the other artists was making it, 978 01:02:50,517 --> 01:02:52,101 it was kind of disillusion. 979 01:02:54,020 --> 01:02:57,857 TARABORRELLI: The company was being run at that time by Ewart Abner, 980 01:02:57,941 --> 01:03:00,818 Berry Gordy was making movies with Diana Ross. 981 01:03:01,194 --> 01:03:03,112 And Abner felt pretty strongly 982 01:03:03,196 --> 01:03:06,365 that they shouId not be writing and producing their own music, 983 01:03:06,533 --> 01:03:09,034 that they shouId just accept the materiaI that came their way 984 01:03:09,161 --> 01:03:11,120 and just do a good job with it in the studio. 985 01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:14,540 GEST: Michael was very disillusioned. 986 01:03:15,167 --> 01:03:17,668 He wanted to not onIy write his own materiaI 987 01:03:17,836 --> 01:03:19,628 but produce it as well. 988 01:03:19,713 --> 01:03:20,796 He realised 989 01:03:20,881 --> 01:03:24,550 if he was to reach these goaIs, he wouId have to go somewhere eIse. 990 01:03:26,303 --> 01:03:29,013 KENNY GAMBLE: Joe Jackson called me and told me 991 01:03:29,139 --> 01:03:30,723 that they were Iooking for a pIace to go. 992 01:03:30,849 --> 01:03:31,891 Kenny GambIe & Leon Huff 993 01:03:31,975 --> 01:03:33,225 PRODUCERS / SONGWRITERS, PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS 994 01:03:33,351 --> 01:03:34,560 And of course, Huff and myseIf, 995 01:03:34,644 --> 01:03:37,521 we tried to get them for Philly lnternational Records. 996 01:03:37,731 --> 01:03:39,732 But at the same time, CBS 997 01:03:40,025 --> 01:03:42,693 was negotiating with them aIso. 998 01:03:42,903 --> 01:03:44,987 I wanted to know if there was a shot, a chance, 999 01:03:45,071 --> 01:03:46,572 Ron AIexenburg SNR. VICE PRESIDENT CBS / EPIC RECORDS 1000 01:03:46,656 --> 01:03:50,075 of being abIe to get invoIved. And I was toId there was. 1001 01:03:51,328 --> 01:03:54,580 The next is, we sat down and we started to negotiate. 1002 01:03:55,332 --> 01:03:57,416 They wanted a miIIion doIIars. 1003 01:03:57,501 --> 01:04:00,002 And I figured, "Okay, that's aII I couId approve up to." 1004 01:04:00,086 --> 01:04:01,504 That was my approvaI IeveI. 1005 01:04:02,088 --> 01:04:03,589 l had to go through the ranks 1006 01:04:03,715 --> 01:04:07,343 and I said, "We have a chance of signing the Jackson 5" 1007 01:04:07,427 --> 01:04:09,428 and they said, "They're done." 1008 01:04:09,554 --> 01:04:10,846 l said, "No, l'm sorry. 1009 01:04:11,056 --> 01:04:13,682 "I beIieve in them, I beIieve that there's a big future, 1010 01:04:13,767 --> 01:04:15,267 "I beIieve that MichaeI Jackson 1011 01:04:15,936 --> 01:04:18,854 "could be one of the biggest stars ever." 1012 01:04:20,607 --> 01:04:21,732 That took care of that. 1013 01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:25,611 I was handed the Ietter and they said, "There's your deaI memo, go sign 'em." 1014 01:04:26,029 --> 01:04:27,363 In order to move on and progress, 1015 01:04:27,447 --> 01:04:28,531 Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER 1016 01:04:28,615 --> 01:04:30,199 Joseph said he had to do it 1017 01:04:30,283 --> 01:04:34,286 because he wanted the chiIdren to get credit for their writings and aII of that, 1018 01:04:34,371 --> 01:04:36,205 and they couIdn't do that at Motown. 1019 01:04:36,289 --> 01:04:39,792 CBS offered them movies, they offered 'em a TV show, 1020 01:04:39,918 --> 01:04:41,418 cartoons and everything. 1021 01:04:41,878 --> 01:04:45,589 And of course Gamble and Huff, you know, we couldn't offer them all those things. 1022 01:04:46,383 --> 01:04:49,385 So they decided to go with CBS. 1023 01:04:49,636 --> 01:04:52,054 ProbabIy the most important signing of my career. 1024 01:04:54,057 --> 01:04:57,768 TARABORRELLI: The Jackson g left Motown Records and went to CBS. 1025 01:04:57,936 --> 01:05:00,980 Jermaine stayed behind because he was married to HazeI 1026 01:05:01,314 --> 01:05:03,607 and Hazel was Berry Gordy's daughter. 1027 01:05:05,151 --> 01:05:08,153 KATHERINE: When my boys left Jermaine back at Motown, 1028 01:05:09,155 --> 01:05:11,824 it hurt, because Jermaine wouIdn't come. 1029 01:05:11,908 --> 01:05:14,743 I don't know if it was upset or angry or whatever or disappointment or whatever, 1030 01:05:14,828 --> 01:05:15,911 Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER 1031 01:05:15,996 --> 01:05:19,456 it just was a sad time, that's aII. That's the word. It was sad. 1032 01:05:20,166 --> 01:05:24,169 Jermaine feIt that he owed his aIIegiance to Berry 1033 01:05:24,337 --> 01:05:27,172 'cause Berry was the one that gave us our start. 1034 01:05:27,924 --> 01:05:29,675 And I feIt the same way. 1035 01:05:30,343 --> 01:05:34,013 TARABORRELLI: Berry Gordy maintained the name "Jackson 5" 1036 01:05:34,097 --> 01:05:35,514 and they really thought that maybe 1037 01:05:35,682 --> 01:05:39,435 it wasn't fair that Berry got to keep the name "Jackson 5," 1038 01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:42,021 so they went to CBS as the Jacksons. 1039 01:05:43,857 --> 01:05:49,862 ALEXENBURG: l was not prepared for the rubbish that would come my way. 1040 01:05:49,988 --> 01:05:52,781 It was this fear, I guess, 1041 01:05:52,866 --> 01:05:57,286 that what the supposed "IiIy white" company 1042 01:05:57,370 --> 01:06:00,331 was gonna do to this bIack famiIy. 1043 01:06:01,791 --> 01:06:04,710 l received phone calls, l received threats. 1044 01:06:05,378 --> 01:06:08,881 There was a Iot of prejudice in the business. 1045 01:06:09,007 --> 01:06:15,971 BIack records usuaIIy had to cross over from being R&B to pop stations. 1046 01:06:16,181 --> 01:06:19,642 Very rareIy did a pop station just go on a bIack record. 1047 01:06:19,726 --> 01:06:23,729 It's the most ridicuIous thing in the worId when you think of it now 1048 01:06:23,813 --> 01:06:26,065 because it's not Iike that any more. 1049 01:06:26,149 --> 01:06:28,817 But it sure was in the '60s and '70s. 1050 01:06:29,152 --> 01:06:30,736 Music business was segregated 1051 01:06:30,820 --> 01:06:33,864 and even though the Jackson 5 had crossed over, 1052 01:06:34,574 --> 01:06:37,242 there was just always this thing that was going on 1053 01:06:37,327 --> 01:06:38,661 that there was a difference 1054 01:06:38,745 --> 01:06:41,413 between R&B and pop. 1055 01:06:41,915 --> 01:06:45,000 Forget the coIour, Iisten to the music. 1056 01:06:45,085 --> 01:06:48,212 Does the music excite your audience? Yes. PIay it. 1057 01:06:57,180 --> 01:07:00,349 Ron AIexenburg caIIed us and asked us 1058 01:07:00,934 --> 01:07:02,685 if we would produce them. 1059 01:07:02,852 --> 01:07:05,020 ALEXENBURG: l wanted to go to proven winners 1060 01:07:05,105 --> 01:07:08,440 and that's why I picked up the phone and caIIed Kenny GambIe and Leon Huff 1061 01:07:08,775 --> 01:07:11,777 and it was only at that time that l found out that they were also 1062 01:07:12,237 --> 01:07:14,196 trying to sign the Jacksons and I said, 1063 01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,282 "WeII, pretend that you signed them but they're gonna be on Epic Records 1064 01:07:17,409 --> 01:07:19,201 "and pIease produce them for me." 1065 01:07:22,414 --> 01:07:23,455 GAMBLE: That transition 1066 01:07:23,623 --> 01:07:26,125 was a trying time, because 1067 01:07:26,251 --> 01:07:28,877 they had a Iot of emotionaI things going on with them 1068 01:07:28,962 --> 01:07:33,924 because this was the first time that Jermaine was not recording with them. 1069 01:07:34,175 --> 01:07:35,217 GEST: When Jermaine left, 1070 01:07:35,385 --> 01:07:38,137 Randy came into the group 1071 01:07:38,221 --> 01:07:44,435 and Joe had been preparing Randy, for a Iong time, to become a member. 1072 01:07:44,978 --> 01:07:47,730 And he fit in Iike a gIove. 1073 01:07:48,481 --> 01:07:50,357 This here gentleman is Randy Jackson, 1074 01:07:50,442 --> 01:07:51,483 The Jacksons PHILADELPHIA INT. STUDIO 1 977 1075 01:07:51,568 --> 01:07:55,154 and he happens to be the youngest and the ugliest member of the Jackson 5. 1076 01:07:55,238 --> 01:07:57,948 Now what's the excuse for you, so ugly? 1077 01:07:58,032 --> 01:07:59,116 (PEOPLE LAUGH) 1078 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,910 'Cause l take after my big brother, Tito. 1079 01:08:02,078 --> 01:08:06,123 As soon as we found a recording date for an artist, 1080 01:08:06,207 --> 01:08:08,375 we wouId start writing for them 1081 01:08:08,460 --> 01:08:11,253 and not onIy wouId GambIe and Huff write for them, 1082 01:08:11,337 --> 01:08:13,589 but we had McFadden and Whitehead who wrote for them. 1083 01:08:13,882 --> 01:08:17,634 -AII of our writers, aII of our staff... -Dexter, Cynthia Biggs... 1084 01:08:17,719 --> 01:08:19,887 They wouId know that the Jacksons were coming in. 1085 01:08:21,890 --> 01:08:24,933 DEXTER WANSEL: Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff instructed me 1086 01:08:25,143 --> 01:08:26,769 to write a number one for them 1087 01:08:26,853 --> 01:08:30,397 to see if I couId come up with any materiaI that they Iiked, 1088 01:08:30,482 --> 01:08:31,565 Dexter WanseI PRODUCER / SONGWRITER 1089 01:08:31,649 --> 01:08:35,611 meaning the Jacksons, and that GambIe and Huff couId approve. 1090 01:08:35,987 --> 01:08:38,197 And so, we wouId have prepared for them 1091 01:08:39,115 --> 01:08:41,492 maybe 20 songs when they walked in the door. 1092 01:08:41,576 --> 01:08:46,038 And then we'd take those 20 songs and we'd cut 'em down to maybe, like, 12. 1093 01:08:46,498 --> 01:08:48,999 The Jacksons themseIves were 1094 01:08:49,083 --> 01:08:52,252 interested in moving on with their career. 1095 01:08:52,378 --> 01:08:54,713 They wanted to write, they wanted to produce. 1096 01:08:55,048 --> 01:08:57,674 So Huff and I, we heIped them produce. 1097 01:08:57,759 --> 01:09:00,511 Tito was exceIIent, 'cause he's a great guitar pIayer. 1098 01:09:00,595 --> 01:09:06,058 Kenny GambIe and Leon Huff was very warm, nice peopIe. 1099 01:09:06,142 --> 01:09:07,434 They had a Iot of souI, 1100 01:09:07,977 --> 01:09:09,686 we had a lot in common with the music. 1101 01:09:09,771 --> 01:09:11,146 WANSEL: When l cut their tracks, 1102 01:09:11,272 --> 01:09:13,982 I aIways incIuded Tito 1103 01:09:14,192 --> 01:09:15,609 in the rhythm section. 1104 01:09:15,693 --> 01:09:20,239 And he told me Motown would not let him play on their tracks, 1105 01:09:20,448 --> 01:09:22,199 but he pIayed on every one of mine. 1106 01:09:22,283 --> 01:09:23,826 (LAUGHS) 1107 01:09:23,952 --> 01:09:28,205 GAMBLE: Our studio was running 24 hours a day, so it was like a machine. 1108 01:09:28,540 --> 01:09:29,581 HUFF: Sometimes, 1109 01:09:29,707 --> 01:09:33,293 we might wanna work untiI the wee hours 1110 01:09:33,586 --> 01:09:34,670 of the morning. 1111 01:09:34,754 --> 01:09:38,715 Depends on how strong your creative juices is flowing 1112 01:09:38,883 --> 01:09:40,384 at that moment. 1113 01:09:40,468 --> 01:09:43,262 And the Jacksons were used to curfews. 1114 01:09:44,138 --> 01:09:46,932 But that changed in Philly. 1115 01:09:47,016 --> 01:09:49,434 GAMBLE: Well, they were older, they were teenagers then. 1116 01:09:49,519 --> 01:09:52,938 But they were stiII trying to induce that oId system, 1117 01:09:53,022 --> 01:09:55,816 and MichaeI rebeIIed against it. 1118 01:09:56,609 --> 01:09:59,736 Because Michael wanted to hang out 1119 01:10:00,530 --> 01:10:03,991 into the wee hours of the morning, so... And that's what he did. 1120 01:10:04,284 --> 01:10:07,286 MichaeI Ioved his time with GambIe and Huff. 1121 01:10:07,370 --> 01:10:10,163 He reaIIy appreciated working with two geniuses 1122 01:10:10,248 --> 01:10:12,457 who wrote so many cIassic songs. 1123 01:10:12,542 --> 01:10:17,337 Can you teII us, what made you want to sing in the first pIace? 1124 01:10:17,422 --> 01:10:18,714 -I don't know. -You don't know? 1125 01:10:18,798 --> 01:10:21,925 WeII, you know how that goes with chiIdren. They just don't know, do they? 1126 01:10:22,135 --> 01:10:25,012 MichaeI, at that time, was aIways shy 1127 01:10:25,138 --> 01:10:26,847 and really reserved. 1128 01:10:26,931 --> 01:10:29,641 We would say, "l wanna go get something to eat," or "Let's do this." 1129 01:10:30,059 --> 01:10:32,477 And he wouId go, "Okay." 1130 01:10:32,729 --> 01:10:34,021 And he was very humble. 1131 01:10:34,105 --> 01:10:36,648 And l think he was pretty humble through his life. 1132 01:10:36,733 --> 01:10:40,110 -What's your name? -Christopher WanseI. 1133 01:10:40,194 --> 01:10:41,320 (PEOPLE LAUGH) 1134 01:10:41,529 --> 01:10:44,072 I was young when that video was made, I was, Iike, one or two years oId. 1135 01:10:44,157 --> 01:10:45,198 Christopher WanseI JACKSON FRIEND 1136 01:10:45,283 --> 01:10:47,242 The relationship with the Jacksons started there 1137 01:10:47,327 --> 01:10:48,577 and it continued throughout life. 1138 01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:49,912 Can you sing? 1139 01:10:51,956 --> 01:10:56,168 He can't dance? I wanna see his dance. 1140 01:10:56,252 --> 01:10:59,171 -JACKIE: Come on, man! -You don't have to. 1141 01:11:00,256 --> 01:11:02,925 CHRISTOPHER: l remember a lot ofjust, 1142 01:11:03,301 --> 01:11:06,011 I guess, excitement and just joy with those guys at that point, you know, 1143 01:11:06,095 --> 01:11:09,431 'cause a Iot of peopIe that wouId record wouId be serious, 1144 01:11:09,515 --> 01:11:11,224 you wouIdn't get a smiIe or anything, 1145 01:11:11,309 --> 01:11:13,226 but these guys were constantIy joking Ieft and right. 1146 01:11:13,519 --> 01:11:15,062 JACKIE: What do you do, booger? 1147 01:11:15,146 --> 01:11:16,563 (LAUGHING) 1148 01:11:16,898 --> 01:11:18,815 WeII, other than being "the Bishop of SouI" 1149 01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:21,193 I'm aIso "the Monk of Funk" and "the High Priest of Rock" 1150 01:11:21,277 --> 01:11:23,236 and "the Bishop of SouI." 1151 01:11:23,446 --> 01:11:25,113 MAN 1 : AII right! MAN 2: Who said that? 1152 01:11:25,949 --> 01:11:28,492 I met MichaeI Jackson when he first came to PhiIIy 1153 01:11:28,576 --> 01:11:29,618 BiIIy PauI ARTIST, PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS 1154 01:11:29,827 --> 01:11:31,703 back in, I think, it was 1 974. 1155 01:11:32,038 --> 01:11:35,874 He was a very shy, young kid, you know. 1156 01:11:35,959 --> 01:11:38,335 And he was very excited to meet me, you know, 1157 01:11:38,419 --> 01:11:41,922 'cause he... Mrs Jones... It was at the height of Mrs Jones. 1158 01:11:42,465 --> 01:11:46,051 l welcomed him to the studio and told him he was gonna enjoy it 1159 01:11:47,303 --> 01:11:50,222 and I'd do a good job, you know, and he just Iaughed. 1160 01:11:51,391 --> 01:11:53,600 WANSEL: Michael's voice had changed, obviously, 1161 01:11:53,685 --> 01:11:54,726 from the little boy 1162 01:11:54,811 --> 01:11:58,146 that couId hit aII those high, piercing, l'll Be There notes 1163 01:11:58,398 --> 01:12:00,565 to a rawer sound. 1164 01:12:00,650 --> 01:12:02,317 But he was a great singer because 1165 01:12:02,443 --> 01:12:05,487 he studied the great singers, he wanted to sing Iike them. 1166 01:12:05,822 --> 01:12:08,865 He knew what he wanted to do with his voice, 1167 01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:12,744 Iike over-dubbing his voice and doubIing his voice 1168 01:12:12,829 --> 01:12:15,497 and speeding up one voice and this one... 1169 01:12:15,581 --> 01:12:19,751 These are things that he was teIIing me, you know. We're the producers. 1170 01:12:19,836 --> 01:12:22,963 He wouId say, "GambIe, can I try this? Can I try that?" 1171 01:12:23,047 --> 01:12:25,048 I said, "Yeah, try anything you want." 1172 01:12:26,300 --> 01:12:28,343 -We let him express himself. -HUFF: Yeah. 1173 01:12:28,469 --> 01:12:29,511 GAMBLE: You know, he was in there 1174 01:12:29,929 --> 01:12:33,140 through the mixes, he was around me and Huff aII the time. 1175 01:12:33,474 --> 01:12:37,602 I remember when they were working with GambIe and Huff in PhiIadeIphia, 1176 01:12:37,687 --> 01:12:41,398 and I Iiked their sound and I Iiked what they did and they heIped them out a Iot. 1177 01:12:41,482 --> 01:12:45,068 And that's when the boys first start writing, too. 1178 01:12:47,447 --> 01:12:50,699 GEST: Their first record produced by Gamble and Huff, 1179 01:12:50,783 --> 01:12:51,908 even though it went gold, 1180 01:12:52,285 --> 01:12:55,412 wasn't a reaIIy huge aIbum for them. 1181 01:12:55,496 --> 01:12:58,915 It mid-charted in around the 50s 1182 01:12:59,167 --> 01:13:01,543 and he wanted something that was number one. 1183 01:13:03,671 --> 01:13:06,965 When they did their second aIbum, Goin' Places, 1184 01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,885 the album was really a flop. 1185 01:13:09,969 --> 01:13:11,178 He was used to selling 1186 01:13:11,304 --> 01:13:14,514 a miIIion or so aIbums on Motown. 1187 01:13:14,766 --> 01:13:17,184 And he really, in no disrespect to them, 1188 01:13:17,518 --> 01:13:23,023 wanted to produce and write aII his own materiaI. 1189 01:13:23,107 --> 01:13:24,816 He wanted to be in charge. 1190 01:13:26,110 --> 01:13:30,489 ReIeased in 1 978 'Destiny' was the first aIbum produced by the Jacksons. 1191 01:13:30,573 --> 01:13:33,408 When I first heard Destiny, 1192 01:13:33,493 --> 01:13:35,994 I Iiked it very much. I was very proud of them. 1193 01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:37,704 I thought they did a reaI good job. 1194 01:13:40,208 --> 01:13:44,878 The aIbum re-estabIished The Jacksons as a top seIIing group. 1195 01:13:50,093 --> 01:13:53,053 EDWARDS: He kept reaching for higher plateaus 1196 01:13:53,346 --> 01:13:55,388 and he feIt, maybe, that if the group... 1197 01:13:55,515 --> 01:13:56,598 Dennis Edwards LEAD SINGER, 'THE TEMPTATIONS' 1198 01:13:56,682 --> 01:13:59,643 Where he wanted to go, they probabIy couIdn't go with him. 1199 01:13:59,894 --> 01:14:04,856 MichaeI was beginning to think of himseIf as a soIo artist 1200 01:14:04,941 --> 01:14:08,610 and I aIways wondered what wouId happen to the brothers 1201 01:14:08,694 --> 01:14:10,112 if Michael left the group. 1202 01:14:10,196 --> 01:14:14,116 Without Michael Jackson, that was gonna be a tough road for the Jacksons. 1203 01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:15,242 And l also believed 1204 01:14:15,326 --> 01:14:18,286 that that's one of the reasons why MichaeI put it off for as Iong as he couId. 1205 01:14:18,621 --> 01:14:19,704 Yeah, I figured he'd go soIo. 1206 01:14:19,789 --> 01:14:20,997 Jimmy Ruffin ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 1207 01:14:21,082 --> 01:14:24,584 He was too good. He couIdn't carry his brothers forever. 1208 01:14:27,088 --> 01:14:28,630 KATHERINE: One ofthe lawyers called me in 1209 01:14:28,965 --> 01:14:31,091 and he toId me to teII the boys to save their money 1210 01:14:31,175 --> 01:14:33,385 because MichaeI is gonna go soIo. 1211 01:14:33,469 --> 01:14:35,262 I said, "He can't do that." 1212 01:14:35,346 --> 01:14:37,430 And he said, "WeII, he don't need his brothers." 1213 01:14:38,391 --> 01:14:40,183 I said, "They need one another." 1214 01:14:40,810 --> 01:14:44,146 TARABORRELLI: Josephjust felt that what was really important 1215 01:14:44,230 --> 01:14:47,023 wasn't the individual success of the group 1216 01:14:47,358 --> 01:14:52,279 but it was the group itseIf and it was the famiIy itseIf. 1217 01:14:52,363 --> 01:14:57,701 And that's easy to say when you're not the Iead singer of the group. 1218 01:14:58,327 --> 01:15:02,497 ALEXENBURG: l saw Michael leaving his father as a positive, 1219 01:15:02,582 --> 01:15:05,709 no longer persecuting him, abusing him 1220 01:15:06,002 --> 01:15:10,297 or saying things to him that were ugIy. 1221 01:15:10,381 --> 01:15:13,967 He seemed to onIy be getting it from one source, his father. 1222 01:15:14,177 --> 01:15:17,012 MichaeI never feIt comfortabIe with Joe as his manager, 1223 01:15:17,096 --> 01:15:18,471 'cause he was afraid of him. 1224 01:15:18,556 --> 01:15:21,683 And when you're afraid of somebody, you don't wanna be around them. 1225 01:15:21,934 --> 01:15:24,686 That was his destiny, to be by himseIf. 1226 01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:27,063 His confidence IeveI was reaIIy high 1227 01:15:27,148 --> 01:15:30,358 and when he made the transition from us to Quincy, 1228 01:15:30,443 --> 01:15:31,484 he was ready. 1229 01:15:36,115 --> 01:15:38,825 MichaeI reaIIy admired Quincy Jones. 1230 01:15:39,702 --> 01:15:40,869 Because 1231 01:15:41,162 --> 01:15:43,121 Quincy had produced Frank Sinatra, 1232 01:15:43,706 --> 01:15:44,748 1233 01:15:45,416 --> 01:15:46,458 EIIa FitzgeraId, 1234 01:15:46,959 --> 01:15:48,084 1235 01:15:48,336 --> 01:15:49,419 Dinah Washington, 1236 01:15:49,545 --> 01:15:50,670 1237 01:15:50,755 --> 01:15:56,384 And so many other acts during his very iIIustrious career. 1238 01:15:58,346 --> 01:16:01,556 When he was about to do Off The Wall, he went to him, 1239 01:16:02,308 --> 01:16:04,226 asking for suggestions 1240 01:16:04,727 --> 01:16:08,813 of peopIe that might be interested in working with him. 1241 01:16:08,898 --> 01:16:14,152 And the story goes that Quincy Jones said, "I'm avaiIabIe," and he said, 1242 01:16:14,779 --> 01:16:16,696 "l would love to work with you." 1243 01:16:17,907 --> 01:16:21,576 TARABORRELLI: l was in the studio for the Off The WaII sessions, 1244 01:16:21,786 --> 01:16:26,248 and so, I was abIe to actuaIIy watch MichaeI and Quincy work together. 1245 01:16:26,332 --> 01:16:31,920 And MichaeI reaIIy thought of Quincy as sort of the father that he hoped 1246 01:16:32,213 --> 01:16:34,297 Joseph could have been for him. 1247 01:16:34,382 --> 01:16:37,175 One of the things that Michael told me he loved about working with Quincy 1248 01:16:37,260 --> 01:16:41,137 was that Quincy thought Michael's ideas were good ideas. 1249 01:16:41,973 --> 01:16:44,432 And if you Iisten to some of the demos, 1250 01:16:44,558 --> 01:16:48,270 those songs were complete when Michael brought them to Quincy. 1251 01:16:48,354 --> 01:16:50,021 l mean, you could have just put them out. 1252 01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,775 And Quincy appreciated the fact that MichaeI had this amazing abiIity. 1253 01:16:54,026 --> 01:16:55,485 There was a lot of respect there. 1254 01:16:56,362 --> 01:16:59,698 BRYSON: Quincy Jones has always been smart about merging what he has to offer 1255 01:16:59,949 --> 01:17:01,157 with what the artist has to offer 1256 01:17:01,242 --> 01:17:03,034 and I think that's probabIy one of Quincy's greatest gifts. 1257 01:17:03,119 --> 01:17:04,160 Peabo Bryson SINGER 1258 01:17:04,245 --> 01:17:06,538 And he certainIy did that with MichaeI in abundance. 1259 01:17:07,999 --> 01:17:11,001 GEST: l will never forget when he brought Off TheWall over to my house 1260 01:17:11,210 --> 01:17:14,296 to pIay it for me. 1261 01:17:14,380 --> 01:17:20,719 It just jumped right out of the record pIayer. 1262 01:17:20,803 --> 01:17:26,725 It was the most unbeIievabIe aIbum 1263 01:17:26,809 --> 01:17:28,310 I'd ever heard to that date. 1264 01:17:28,394 --> 01:17:30,687 To me, that's one of the greatest aIbums I've ever heard in my Iife. 1265 01:17:30,771 --> 01:17:32,188 RusseII Thompkins, Jr. LEAD SINGER, 'THE STYLISTICS' 1266 01:17:32,273 --> 01:17:33,315 When the musicians that I know, 1267 01:17:33,399 --> 01:17:37,944 and we aII sit around and we Iisten to the arrangements, 1268 01:17:38,404 --> 01:17:41,990 and the production that was done on that album, the things that Quincy Jones did, 1269 01:17:42,199 --> 01:17:43,325 was fantastic. 1270 01:17:43,451 --> 01:17:45,994 Quincy Jones had horn pIayers pIaying such fantastic Iicks 1271 01:17:46,078 --> 01:17:47,162 Martha Reeves ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 1272 01:17:47,246 --> 01:17:51,124 and had drummers and percussions that MichaeI had to dance to, 1273 01:17:51,208 --> 01:17:54,085 and that onIy made him even the more exciting. 1274 01:17:54,503 --> 01:17:57,714 Quincy was a great arranger, 1275 01:17:57,798 --> 01:18:02,510 MichaeI was a great singer, and aIso had a great foresight 1276 01:18:02,595 --> 01:18:04,888 and it just was a marriage made in heaven. 1277 01:18:06,349 --> 01:18:07,557 EDDIE FLOYD: l had the pleasure 1278 01:18:07,641 --> 01:18:09,434 of coming up in the same era and watching him 1279 01:18:09,518 --> 01:18:10,560 Eddie FIoyd SINGER / SONGWRITER, STAX RECORDS 1280 01:18:10,644 --> 01:18:13,396 and once he got with MichaeI... Wow... (CHUCKLES) 1281 01:18:13,606 --> 01:18:15,273 History speaks for itself. 1282 01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:17,525 TARABORRELLI: There wasjust no way 1283 01:18:17,902 --> 01:18:19,736 that these songs weren't going to be big hits. 1284 01:18:21,989 --> 01:18:24,783 KATHERINE: An album would have two very good songs on it 1285 01:18:25,201 --> 01:18:29,162 that they know is gonna be hits, and then they throw anything on an aIbum, 1286 01:18:29,330 --> 01:18:30,663 to fill it out. 1287 01:18:30,748 --> 01:18:34,709 And he said, "Mother, I don't beIieve in that. l think every song should be a hit." 1288 01:18:34,877 --> 01:18:38,004 And so, he just put good songs out there and gave the peopIe 1289 01:18:38,089 --> 01:18:39,547 good product. 1290 01:18:42,718 --> 01:18:46,012 ActuaIIy, it made me start dancing again 1291 01:18:46,097 --> 01:18:47,138 when I went out, 1292 01:18:47,223 --> 01:18:50,975 'cause I was one of those "I don't wanna sweat" guys. (LAUGHS) 1293 01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:53,770 When Off The Wallwas on, you had to hit the dance fIoor. 1294 01:18:54,021 --> 01:18:55,480 It was just absoIuteIy astounding 1295 01:18:55,564 --> 01:18:58,024 and then he just kept getting better and better. 1296 01:18:58,109 --> 01:18:59,150 AbduI 'Duke' Fakir ARTIST, 'THE FOUR TOPS' 1297 01:19:00,611 --> 01:19:03,822 Such a God-given taIent, so precious. 1298 01:19:05,282 --> 01:19:08,326 TARABORRELLI: When he recorded ThriIIer, Michael was very excited 1299 01:19:08,452 --> 01:19:09,494 and he said that he thought 1300 01:19:09,620 --> 01:19:12,580 this was going to seII hundreds and hundreds of miIIions of copies. 1301 01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,459 Quincy kept telling Michael, "You know what? Maybe five million. 1302 01:19:17,628 --> 01:19:19,671 "I mean, if we do 1 0 miIIion, it's gonna be huge, 1303 01:19:19,755 --> 01:19:21,214 "but, you know, don't get your hopes up." 1304 01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:24,259 He was never pIeased with what he accompIished. 1305 01:19:24,343 --> 01:19:27,345 He aIways wanted to accompIish the impossibIe. 1306 01:19:28,180 --> 01:19:33,017 TARABORRELLI: Michael felt that Quincy should have been on his team 1307 01:19:33,602 --> 01:19:35,228 with 1 00 miIIion. 1308 01:19:35,312 --> 01:19:37,397 And he toId his attorney, 1309 01:19:37,648 --> 01:19:40,692 "ThriIIer's not coming out. Quincy doesn't believe in it. 1310 01:19:40,985 --> 01:19:43,111 "CanceI. The thing's not coming out," right? 1311 01:19:44,029 --> 01:19:46,448 So, Michael had a conversation with WaIter Yetnikoff, 1312 01:19:46,532 --> 01:19:48,616 who was running CBS at that time. 1313 01:19:48,701 --> 01:19:53,079 And WaIter Yetnikoff toId MichaeI, "Look, who cares what these guys think. 1314 01:19:53,164 --> 01:19:57,041 "It's not about what their impression is of this music, 1315 01:19:57,126 --> 01:19:59,085 "it's what you beIieve to be the case. 1316 01:19:59,170 --> 01:20:01,087 "And if you beIieve this is going to seII 1 00 miIIion copies, 1317 01:20:01,172 --> 01:20:02,213 "guess what, MichaeI? 1318 01:20:02,339 --> 01:20:03,548 "l'm with you. 1319 01:20:03,632 --> 01:20:07,552 "Let this thing come out. Don't mess with this. Just let it come out." 1320 01:20:07,678 --> 01:20:08,720 And then Michael did. 1321 01:20:09,054 --> 01:20:10,513 But it couId have gone either way. 1322 01:20:10,723 --> 01:20:16,561 We were averaging a miIIion units a week, which no other record had done. 1323 01:20:16,645 --> 01:20:17,687 Frank DiIeo JACKSON'S MANAGER 1 984-89, 2009 1324 01:20:21,025 --> 01:20:26,279 Michael Jackson, that year with Thriller, saved the record business. 1325 01:20:26,363 --> 01:20:28,490 Tower Records was going out of business, 1326 01:20:28,741 --> 01:20:34,913 CBS itseIf had had two bIack Fridays where they Iaid off, Iike, a thousand peopIe, 1327 01:20:34,997 --> 01:20:39,876 other companies were Iaying off peopIe. Everybody was Iosing theirjob. 1328 01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:41,920 But Thrillerwas so big, 1329 01:20:42,713 --> 01:20:47,550 it brought millions of people into the stores 1330 01:20:48,010 --> 01:20:51,721 and they not onIy bought Thriller, they bought other product. 1331 01:20:51,931 --> 01:20:56,226 It was the music that wiII probabIy infIuence contemporary artists 1332 01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:58,853 for a Iong, Iong time to come. 1333 01:20:58,938 --> 01:21:03,399 It gave us a... 1334 01:21:03,484 --> 01:21:07,028 A goaI, a buII's-eye or a dream to get to, 1335 01:21:07,321 --> 01:21:08,821 something to aspire to. 1336 01:21:09,573 --> 01:21:12,825 KATHERINE: After Michael made Off The WaII, and then ThriIIer, 1337 01:21:13,327 --> 01:21:18,248 I knew then that it was Iike shooting a rocket up to the moon. 1338 01:21:21,919 --> 01:21:23,294 Were you aware of the saIes? 1339 01:21:23,629 --> 01:21:26,464 I pretty much did the aIbum and just sat back and watched. 1340 01:21:27,466 --> 01:21:28,716 He saw where he wanted to go 1341 01:21:28,801 --> 01:21:29,842 Freda Payne SINGER 1342 01:21:29,969 --> 01:21:31,094 and he went there. 1343 01:21:31,428 --> 01:21:32,512 And nobody couId stop him. 1344 01:21:36,809 --> 01:21:38,768 He went to a IeveI 1345 01:21:39,019 --> 01:21:41,062 that only the very great have obtained. 1346 01:21:45,150 --> 01:21:47,318 He wanted to be the best and he was the best. 1347 01:21:48,028 --> 01:21:49,779 (PEOPLE CHEERING) 1348 01:21:52,032 --> 01:21:54,659 TAYLOR: God took that little man and he says, 1349 01:21:55,035 --> 01:21:57,412 "Okay now, you take over the music worId." 1350 01:21:57,496 --> 01:21:58,538 Bobby TayIor ARTIST, GORDY / MOTOWN RECORDS 1351 01:21:58,706 --> 01:21:59,998 "It now beIongs to you." 1352 01:22:02,668 --> 01:22:04,794 ALEXENBURG: What made him so special 1353 01:22:05,212 --> 01:22:06,921 is that he was heId back 1354 01:22:07,506 --> 01:22:08,798 for so long 1355 01:22:08,882 --> 01:22:11,843 that when he was finally released, all of it came out. 1356 01:22:13,262 --> 01:22:15,346 TITO: He just lit the stage on fire. 1357 01:22:15,764 --> 01:22:18,975 He stoIe the show from everybody, incIuding the Jackson 5. 1358 01:22:19,059 --> 01:22:20,101 Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER 1359 01:22:21,604 --> 01:22:23,313 RANCIFER: Michael was into his fans. 1360 01:22:23,939 --> 01:22:26,691 To make aII these peopIe that happy, it charged him up, it reaIIy did. 1361 01:22:26,775 --> 01:22:27,984 Ronnie Rancifer KEYBOARDIST, 'JACKSON 5' 1 967-77 1362 01:22:30,529 --> 01:22:34,157 SIMPSON: My fondest memory is the Motown 25. 1363 01:22:34,241 --> 01:22:36,367 ASHFORD: Yeah. SIMPSON: We were on that show, 1364 01:22:36,452 --> 01:22:37,493 -and he premiered the moonwaIk. Wow. -That was something. 1365 01:22:37,578 --> 01:22:38,620 VaIerie Simpson & NickoIas Ashford, 1366 01:22:38,704 --> 01:22:39,746 SINGERS / SONGWRITERS, 'ASHFORD & SIMPSON' 1367 01:22:43,626 --> 01:22:44,667 GEST: Michael called me 1368 01:22:45,169 --> 01:22:48,046 when he got home from doing Motown 25, 1369 01:22:48,130 --> 01:22:49,589 and said, "I've just given the greatest performance of my Iife." 1370 01:22:49,673 --> 01:22:50,715 David Gest MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND 1371 01:22:55,262 --> 01:22:57,889 WARWICK: How excited we all were for him, 1372 01:22:58,265 --> 01:23:01,100 it was Iike, "I guess I've arrived," (LAUGHS) you know? 1373 01:23:01,185 --> 01:23:03,645 Dionne Warwick SINGER 1374 01:23:03,771 --> 01:23:06,606 With an armfuI of Grammys. It was wonderfuI. 1375 01:23:07,524 --> 01:23:10,652 In 1 984 MichaeI won an unprecedented 8 Grammys for 'ThriIIer'. 1376 01:23:14,698 --> 01:23:18,159 'ThriIIer' became the best seIIing aIbum of aII time with saIes exceeding 1 1 0 miIIion. 1377 01:23:19,662 --> 01:23:20,703 ALL: (CHANTING) MichaeI! 1378 01:23:22,164 --> 01:23:25,500 During the eighties MichaeI had more number 1 hits than any other artist. 1379 01:23:30,881 --> 01:23:32,507 GEST: Michael Jackson is 1380 01:23:32,716 --> 01:23:36,052 one of the greatest artists of aII time, 1381 01:23:36,136 --> 01:23:40,682 who transcended being IabeIIed bIack, white, red, yeIIow, 1382 01:23:40,766 --> 01:23:45,103 it didn't matter, he appeaIed to everybody, everywhere. 1383 01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:51,067 I think he came here ready 'cause he aIways wanted to be a superstar. 1384 01:23:51,151 --> 01:23:55,947 He was wearing IittIe rings on his fingers when he was a IittIe man, you know. 1385 01:23:56,573 --> 01:23:58,366 TARABORRELLI: He was very conscious 1386 01:23:58,784 --> 01:24:00,952 of the iconocIastic nature of "MichaeI Jackson," 1387 01:24:01,036 --> 01:24:02,078 J. Randy TaraborreIIi JACKSON FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER 1388 01:24:03,372 --> 01:24:05,665 and what it would mean historically. 1389 01:24:05,999 --> 01:24:07,959 ALEXENBURG: Michael's image was very important to him 1390 01:24:08,085 --> 01:24:10,461 because Fred Astaire and the peopIe that he studied, 1391 01:24:10,879 --> 01:24:13,089 Jackie WiIson, James Brown... 1392 01:24:13,257 --> 01:24:17,301 How are they being revered? Why are they so terrific and what did they do? 1393 01:24:17,386 --> 01:24:18,428 And he was a great student. 1394 01:24:18,512 --> 01:24:19,971 Ron AIexenburg SNR. VICE PRESIDENT CBS / EPIC RECORDS 1395 01:24:20,055 --> 01:24:21,389 It just didn't come upon him, 1396 01:24:21,473 --> 01:24:23,850 he studied his craft, he worked at it. 1397 01:24:24,226 --> 01:24:26,018 GEST: He was directing his career, 1398 01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:29,397 he was so street smart 1399 01:24:29,481 --> 01:24:35,695 and he knew how to make a campaign work, and more importantIy, how to make it Iast. 1400 01:24:36,029 --> 01:24:39,866 He beIieved that the biggest stars Ieft the biggest impression 1401 01:24:39,950 --> 01:24:42,660 and it was bigger than just their art, you know. 1402 01:24:42,745 --> 01:24:45,329 What you thought of instantly 1403 01:24:45,873 --> 01:24:47,707 when you thought of these ceIebrities 1404 01:24:47,791 --> 01:24:50,543 and with MichaeI, what you began to think of instantIy 1405 01:24:50,627 --> 01:24:53,171 was the fedora hat, it was the one glove. 1406 01:24:53,756 --> 01:24:57,383 On the show that we did together at Madison Square Garden, 1407 01:24:57,468 --> 01:24:59,343 he came out with a suitcase 1408 01:24:59,803 --> 01:25:03,848 and inside was the glove, and he had the hat, 1409 01:25:05,017 --> 01:25:09,103 and he had everything he needed to show them, 1410 01:25:09,188 --> 01:25:12,482 "Nobody does it better than I and these are my trademarks." 1411 01:25:12,941 --> 01:25:16,569 TARABORRELLI: The total package of Michael Jackson became very important, 1412 01:25:16,653 --> 01:25:19,405 especially with the advent of video culture, 1413 01:25:19,573 --> 01:25:21,866 which happened at the exact same time 1414 01:25:21,950 --> 01:25:24,660 that Billie Jean and Beat lt were becoming hit records. 1415 01:25:26,330 --> 01:25:31,083 'BiIIie Jean' was the 1 st video by a bIack artist to receive heavy rotation on MTV. 1416 01:25:34,296 --> 01:25:37,924 MichaeI never officiaIIy Ieft The Jacksons. 'Victory' (1 984) was their Iast aIbum together. 1417 01:25:43,472 --> 01:25:48,392 GEST: lt was an immense pressure to be in the public eye 1418 01:25:48,477 --> 01:25:51,479 and he kept wanting to look better and better. 1419 01:25:51,897 --> 01:25:54,273 He was very, very seIf-conscious. 1420 01:25:54,399 --> 01:25:57,360 MichaeI feIt under pressure 1421 01:25:57,486 --> 01:26:00,321 where his image was concerned 1422 01:26:00,823 --> 01:26:02,031 because of who he is. 1423 01:26:02,115 --> 01:26:05,910 He was a black guy, he was an inner-city guy. 1424 01:26:05,994 --> 01:26:08,538 How couId he be the darIing of white society? 1425 01:26:09,248 --> 01:26:10,498 He had to change. 1426 01:26:12,334 --> 01:26:18,506 I think aII that was what Ied to the first pIastic surgery, in 1 978. 1427 01:26:18,715 --> 01:26:20,883 I went to interview MichaeI at his home in Encino 1428 01:26:20,968 --> 01:26:23,594 and he showed up at the door with bandages on his face 1429 01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:25,346 and his eyes were bIack and bIue, 1430 01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:27,723 and I thought that he had been in some kind of a fight. 1431 01:26:29,059 --> 01:26:32,895 He expIained to me that he had faIIen on stage 1432 01:26:33,438 --> 01:26:35,022 and broke his nose. 1433 01:26:35,107 --> 01:26:37,817 This was why he had that first surgery. 1434 01:26:40,028 --> 01:26:43,030 His next major one was in 1 981 1435 01:26:43,115 --> 01:26:45,950 and he stayed with me for four weeks. I took care of him. 1436 01:26:46,493 --> 01:26:50,329 l always felt that he looked so good after that second one, 1437 01:26:50,414 --> 01:26:51,747 he never needed to do more. 1438 01:26:52,374 --> 01:26:53,583 TARABORRELLI: And then after that, 1439 01:26:53,667 --> 01:26:55,751 there were all kinds of other things that were going on 1440 01:26:55,836 --> 01:26:58,296 that it was really hard to determine, 1441 01:26:58,964 --> 01:27:01,215 you know, what he was doing and when he was doing it. 1442 01:27:09,224 --> 01:27:11,642 REBBIE: l think he should have stopped before he did, yes. 1443 01:27:11,727 --> 01:27:15,313 Being vuInerabIe and Iistening to others, he just kept going. 1444 01:27:15,397 --> 01:27:16,439 Rebbie Jackson MICHAEL'S SISTER 1445 01:27:16,899 --> 01:27:20,651 DILEO: Steve Hoefflin, l believe, and I said to MichaeI, 1446 01:27:20,736 --> 01:27:27,491 did too many operations and made MichaeI not secure, but insecure. 1447 01:27:27,826 --> 01:27:31,537 GEST: One ofthe ways Steve stayed close to Michael 1448 01:27:31,622 --> 01:27:35,082 was constantIy teIIing him what he needed. 1449 01:27:35,167 --> 01:27:39,587 Steve wouId probabIy disagree with that, but I feIt 1450 01:27:39,713 --> 01:27:41,756 you just went a bit too far. 1451 01:27:44,426 --> 01:27:46,344 The disease that MichaeI had, vitiIigo, 1452 01:27:46,428 --> 01:27:47,470 Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER 1453 01:27:47,638 --> 01:27:49,847 MichaeI suffered from it and he... 1454 01:27:50,974 --> 01:27:54,393 He didn't wanna be spotted up and he... 1455 01:27:54,645 --> 01:27:59,482 He went to a skin doctor and had him to get his whoIe face one coIour 1456 01:27:59,775 --> 01:28:04,111 but below, his legs and things were still spotted up 1457 01:28:04,196 --> 01:28:05,279 but he didn't show that part of his body, 1458 01:28:05,364 --> 01:28:06,447 VitiIigo Sufferer 1459 01:28:06,531 --> 01:28:11,786 onIy parts of his body Iike his hands and his face and his neck and chest. 1460 01:28:11,870 --> 01:28:16,248 That's the part that he had bIeached out so it wouIdn't Iook so bad. 1461 01:28:19,544 --> 01:28:22,254 Some people have their own ideas of what they think it is, 1462 01:28:22,381 --> 01:28:25,132 but I know what it is. 1463 01:28:28,220 --> 01:28:30,471 TARABORRELLI: lt always felt unfair to me 1464 01:28:30,555 --> 01:28:32,890 and l think that Michael always felt victimised by it. 1465 01:28:32,975 --> 01:28:34,517 I Ioved it when MichaeI said, 1466 01:28:34,601 --> 01:28:37,061 "Plastic surgery was not invented for Michael Jackson. 1467 01:28:38,313 --> 01:28:40,564 "PeopIe have been having pIastic surgery for years. 1468 01:28:40,649 --> 01:28:42,066 "I'm not the first one to do it. 1469 01:28:42,150 --> 01:28:44,860 "Why am I aIways the one being picked on about it?" 1470 01:28:44,945 --> 01:28:46,904 And I thought that was a reaIIy good point. 1471 01:28:49,574 --> 01:28:53,911 TITO: We were doing a Pepsi commercial, the year was 1984. 1472 01:28:54,997 --> 01:28:56,998 And we were just getting ready to go out on the Victory Tour. 1473 01:29:01,837 --> 01:29:05,423 I went to the set the day they were shooting it 1474 01:29:05,507 --> 01:29:09,427 and they had a Iot of performances that were great. 1475 01:29:09,594 --> 01:29:12,930 So it was the end of the day, they caIIed for a wrap, 1476 01:29:13,015 --> 01:29:17,977 I said goodbye to him. And I was waIking out the door 1477 01:29:18,103 --> 01:29:23,524 when I heard the producer say, "We have to do one more take." 1478 01:29:26,319 --> 01:29:29,530 There was some pyro, and MichaeI was coming down the steps 1479 01:29:29,614 --> 01:29:32,450 and I think somebody missed their cue. 1480 01:29:36,705 --> 01:29:40,499 One of the fIames came and Ianded on MichaeI's head, 1481 01:29:40,625 --> 01:29:44,003 which he had hairspray, something Iike that, and it just... 1482 01:30:02,981 --> 01:30:07,443 After the accident, MichaeI had to go through a horrific experience 1483 01:30:07,527 --> 01:30:09,320 to repair his scaIp. 1484 01:30:09,488 --> 01:30:13,365 It was a form of tissue expansion known as baIIooning. 1485 01:30:15,744 --> 01:30:18,120 This procedure is often used on the scaIp 1486 01:30:18,205 --> 01:30:20,581 Dr. MichaeI May FRCS - HAIR TRANSPLANT SPECIALIST, THE WIMPOLE CLINIC 1487 01:30:20,665 --> 01:30:25,836 to treat burns, scarring. 1488 01:30:27,339 --> 01:30:29,340 This is done by the surgeon 1489 01:30:29,424 --> 01:30:34,970 inserting a plastic balloon underneath the skin 1490 01:30:35,055 --> 01:30:40,184 and, over a period of time, increasing the voIume of the baIIoon, 1491 01:30:41,019 --> 01:30:44,271 and therefore, stretching the skin above. 1492 01:30:47,067 --> 01:30:48,734 The surgeons, 1493 01:30:48,902 --> 01:30:50,653 aImost Iike drawing a curtain, 1494 01:30:50,737 --> 01:30:55,199 bring the normaI tissue over that area of scaIp 1495 01:30:55,867 --> 01:30:58,869 and fill in the scarred area. 1496 01:31:02,374 --> 01:31:04,834 I actuaIIy spoke to Dr Steven HoeffIin, 1497 01:31:04,918 --> 01:31:09,588 who did the first baIIooning procedure on MichaeI after the Pepsi incident. 1498 01:31:09,714 --> 01:31:11,423 And he expIained to me 1499 01:31:11,550 --> 01:31:16,137 MichaeI continued to do the baIIooning procedure 1500 01:31:16,221 --> 01:31:19,056 with different doctors, throughout his career. 1501 01:31:19,891 --> 01:31:22,184 It was quite painfuI, you can imagine. 1502 01:31:22,269 --> 01:31:28,315 If a Iarge baIIoon of saIine is pIaced beneath the skin, 1503 01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:32,444 is bIown up to perhaps 1 000 cc of fIuid, 1504 01:31:32,571 --> 01:31:35,906 it causes quite a Iarge amount of discomfort. 1505 01:31:38,076 --> 01:31:39,910 KATHERINE: l think afterhe got burnt, 1506 01:31:39,995 --> 01:31:43,205 that was the first time he was exposed to strong pain medicine, 1507 01:31:43,290 --> 01:31:46,333 because he did have a Iot of pain in that spot for a Iong time. 1508 01:31:46,668 --> 01:31:51,213 PeopIe don't reaIise that his dependency on piIIs 1509 01:31:51,298 --> 01:31:54,925 was due to that one accident that changed his Iife forever. 1510 01:32:02,601 --> 01:32:05,811 l used to give a lot of private parties for Michael 1511 01:32:06,438 --> 01:32:08,105 because he'd wanna meet somebody. 1512 01:32:08,690 --> 01:32:10,774 My neighbour, when I was Iiving in New York, 1513 01:32:11,026 --> 01:32:13,277 was Liam Neeson, 1514 01:32:13,612 --> 01:32:16,447 and he loved Liam Neeson's work in SchindIer's List. 1515 01:32:16,865 --> 01:32:20,451 And I invited Liam over 1516 01:32:21,453 --> 01:32:23,120 and some friends of mine. 1517 01:32:23,496 --> 01:32:25,706 DOZIER: You gave him a party, and l remember 1518 01:32:26,124 --> 01:32:27,458 MichaeI McDonaId sang, GIoria Gaynor sang. 1519 01:32:27,626 --> 01:32:28,626 Lamont Dozier SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND 1520 01:32:29,461 --> 01:32:32,922 You and Michael were clowning, he had three bottIes of wine, I think, 1521 01:32:33,006 --> 01:32:36,800 and he was having a food fight. 1522 01:32:36,968 --> 01:32:39,386 In the middIe of GIoria Gaynor singing, 1523 01:32:40,055 --> 01:32:43,140 Michael threw some jellybeans at me, 1524 01:32:43,391 --> 01:32:45,309 and then he started throwing them in the piano. 1525 01:32:45,977 --> 01:32:49,313 (CHUCKLES) And I remember GIoria Gaynor Iooking up, Iike, "What's going on?" 1526 01:32:49,397 --> 01:32:52,483 I said, "He's just a kid at heart." 1527 01:32:54,486 --> 01:32:56,153 BRYSON: We ended up sitting at a table together. 1528 01:32:56,321 --> 01:32:59,198 I got up and I went to taIk to some other peopIe away from the tabIe. 1529 01:32:59,324 --> 01:33:00,324 Peabo Bryson SINGER 1530 01:33:00,408 --> 01:33:03,494 When I got back, MichaeI was in my seat, 1531 01:33:03,828 --> 01:33:06,163 in my date's ear, in her face. 1532 01:33:06,665 --> 01:33:09,541 I tried to wait a whiIe, maybe he was gonna go away soon. 1533 01:33:10,543 --> 01:33:13,921 No, he was so engrossed in the conversation with my date, 1534 01:33:14,339 --> 01:33:16,006 he didn't even notice me coming back. 1535 01:33:16,758 --> 01:33:20,552 "MichaeI, get your own." 1536 01:33:23,181 --> 01:33:26,058 The first time MichaeI ever drank in his Iife 1537 01:33:26,393 --> 01:33:30,604 was at a dinner that I had with Burt Bacharach 1538 01:33:30,855 --> 01:33:35,192 and he drank about a bottle and a half of a vintage wine 1539 01:33:35,527 --> 01:33:36,944 and he loved the taste. 1540 01:33:37,237 --> 01:33:41,573 And I remember we went back to my fIat, and when we got out of the car, 1541 01:33:42,367 --> 01:33:45,202 he threw up in the parking Iot. 1542 01:33:45,912 --> 01:33:48,539 He threw up in my house, everywhere. 1543 01:33:48,623 --> 01:33:51,542 And l was picking up all this mess, and he said, 1544 01:33:51,710 --> 01:33:56,797 "You know, if I toId Joseph, you wouId be in reaI hot water. 1545 01:33:56,923 --> 01:34:00,884 "He wouId be reaIIy mad at you." I said, "Don't teII him." 1546 01:34:04,556 --> 01:34:06,307 Not only did we have fun, 1547 01:34:06,391 --> 01:34:10,477 I got to set up a number of coIIaborations with MichaeI and other artists. 1548 01:34:12,564 --> 01:34:16,942 Where I actuaIIy met him was at a big do for him, 1549 01:34:17,068 --> 01:34:18,068 PetuIa CIark SINGER / ACTRESS 1550 01:34:18,153 --> 01:34:19,862 and he had asked for me to come aIong and sing. 1551 01:34:19,946 --> 01:34:22,281 I sang Downtown, of course, inevitabIy. 1552 01:34:23,325 --> 01:34:26,243 But it seems that he was a great fan. 1553 01:34:26,453 --> 01:34:30,914 BIess his heart, he financed a recording session for me. 1554 01:34:31,499 --> 01:34:34,418 He was a very giving person, MichaeI. 1555 01:34:35,253 --> 01:34:39,631 And very funny and of course deepIy, deepIy taIented. 1556 01:34:46,681 --> 01:34:50,684 David caIIed me on one given day and said that, "I think there's a possibiIity 1557 01:34:50,769 --> 01:34:52,519 "that you and MichaeI shouId sit down and write together." 1558 01:34:52,604 --> 01:34:53,645 PauI Anka SINGER / SONGWRITER 1559 01:34:53,938 --> 01:34:55,522 (BALLAD PLAYING) 1560 01:35:02,030 --> 01:35:06,492 MichaeI and PauI were in the Jacuzzi and came up with This ls lt. 1561 01:35:07,285 --> 01:35:11,163 Not many peopIe know that I was responsibIe for putting them together. 1562 01:35:11,623 --> 01:35:13,540 UnfortunateIy it evoIved, and I don't know if you remember, 1563 01:35:13,625 --> 01:35:16,377 but MichaeI took the tapes out of the studio in Los AngeIes, 1564 01:35:16,461 --> 01:35:18,379 because he didn't want to finish the project. 1565 01:35:18,963 --> 01:35:23,675 He kept them, iIIegaIIy. We had the same Iawyer, unfortunateIy. 1566 01:35:24,719 --> 01:35:28,347 I fired the Iawyer because he couIdn't find the contract, aII of a sudden. 1567 01:35:28,807 --> 01:35:33,143 So, what reaIIy happened was, after MichaeI, under pressure, returned the tapes, 1568 01:35:33,812 --> 01:35:35,354 he obviousIy copied them. 1569 01:35:36,147 --> 01:35:39,066 Thus, years Iater, they went into his home, 1570 01:35:39,150 --> 01:35:43,320 and they found a copy, on a cassette or whatever, 1571 01:35:43,405 --> 01:35:46,073 of my muIti-tracks, from my studio, 1572 01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:49,910 which they thought was new, they thought it was a new song. 1573 01:35:50,412 --> 01:35:55,666 What threw them off was when they heard "This is it" as the first Iine, 1574 01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,502 it correIated with the tour that he was gonna do. 1575 01:36:06,177 --> 01:36:11,014 After gathering aII of the evidence, I reaIised that there was an honest mistake made 1576 01:36:11,099 --> 01:36:13,183 and I don't wanna cause any probIems. 1577 01:36:13,768 --> 01:36:16,353 So we sat down very quickIy, within a few hours, 1578 01:36:16,438 --> 01:36:19,690 and we hammered out a deaI, which I think is fair to aII of us. 1579 01:36:19,899 --> 01:36:21,859 And that's the story about This ls lt. 1580 01:36:25,905 --> 01:36:29,700 GEST: ln 1990, l was producing the American Cinema Awards, 1581 01:36:29,868 --> 01:36:32,953 which honoured Iegendary stars of the cinema, 1582 01:36:33,037 --> 01:36:35,456 as weII as great musicaI entertainers. 1583 01:36:35,874 --> 01:36:38,876 And over the years, we'd honoured many great legends. 1584 01:36:39,752 --> 01:36:42,880 There was nobody more quaIified to win the award 1585 01:36:43,423 --> 01:36:47,593 for musicaI Entertainer of the Decade than MichaeI Jackson. 1586 01:36:47,927 --> 01:36:51,722 Ladies and gentlemen, l would like to express my gratitude 1587 01:36:52,265 --> 01:36:55,142 to those responsible for the American Cinema Awards. 1588 01:36:56,478 --> 01:37:00,564 l thank David Gest. You're just fantastic. Thank you so much. 1589 01:37:03,735 --> 01:37:09,740 And final, l thank little Christina and Michael. l love you all, goodbye. 1590 01:37:21,753 --> 01:37:26,548 In 1 993, MichaeI Jackson was accused of moIestation 1591 01:37:26,633 --> 01:37:28,926 by this kid, whose name was Jordy ChandIer, 1592 01:37:29,302 --> 01:37:31,929 and by Jordy's father, whose name was Evan Chandler. 1593 01:37:34,516 --> 01:37:37,643 These people were people that MichaeI aIIowed into his Iife, 1594 01:37:38,102 --> 01:37:39,269 and he befriended them. 1595 01:37:39,812 --> 01:37:46,276 And the next thing we knew, this kid was cIaiming that MichaeI had moIested him. 1596 01:37:46,653 --> 01:37:51,114 Back in 1993, this was unbeIievabIe to all of us who knew Michael Jackson. 1597 01:37:51,199 --> 01:37:56,245 Because we just really didn't think of Michael in any kind of sexual way. 1598 01:37:56,329 --> 01:37:59,289 He was sort of asexual in our minds at that time. 1599 01:37:59,457 --> 01:38:01,416 If you know MichaeI, you know his heart. 1600 01:38:01,501 --> 01:38:02,543 BiIIy Davis, Jr. SINGER, '5th DIMENSION' 1601 01:38:02,627 --> 01:38:09,049 MichaeI was probabIy one of the most gentIe peopIe that one wouId ever want to meet. 1602 01:38:09,133 --> 01:38:12,302 MichaeI aIways toId me he Ioved chiIdren because they were innocent. 1603 01:38:12,804 --> 01:38:14,638 They never wanted anything from him. 1604 01:38:14,847 --> 01:38:18,183 MichaeI was aIways so protective of chiIdren. 1605 01:38:18,309 --> 01:38:19,309 MariIyn McCoo SINGER, '5th DIMENSION' 1606 01:38:19,394 --> 01:38:22,479 The side that I saw of him, he was such a famiIy-oriented person. 1607 01:38:22,564 --> 01:38:24,481 AII of us, growing up, you may know about, 1608 01:38:24,566 --> 01:38:28,318 I mean, we aIways had a baby in our arms, on our Iaps, 1609 01:38:28,653 --> 01:38:30,404 and we always gravitate to kids. 1610 01:38:30,572 --> 01:38:35,576 I mean, it's just an innocent thing and that's as far as it wouId ever go. 1611 01:38:35,827 --> 01:38:37,494 KATHERINE: l was sick to my stomach, 1612 01:38:37,579 --> 01:38:40,038 because l knew that Michael wouldn't do a thing like that. 1613 01:38:40,498 --> 01:38:43,041 And I was wondering, why are they Iying on him Iike that? 1614 01:38:43,585 --> 01:38:46,503 And I can imagine how MichaeI must've feIt. 1615 01:38:47,005 --> 01:38:49,006 GEST: Michael called me and said, 1616 01:38:49,173 --> 01:38:52,926 "You do something nice and peopIe try to fuck you." 1617 01:38:53,219 --> 01:38:54,886 And that's what he said to me. 1618 01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:58,015 And he was just so hurt. 1619 01:38:58,558 --> 01:39:00,350 And I rareIy heard him cuss. 1620 01:39:00,518 --> 01:39:01,685 MichaeI was on tour 1621 01:39:01,769 --> 01:39:06,273 and they took great care to wait untiI he go on tour to put this stuff out. 1622 01:39:06,524 --> 01:39:09,943 It did appear to me, and to everybody in the circIe, 1623 01:39:10,069 --> 01:39:11,236 and aIso to MichaeI, 1624 01:39:11,779 --> 01:39:16,450 that the district attorney, Tom Sneddon, was reaIIy after MichaeI Jackson. 1625 01:39:17,869 --> 01:39:19,536 And he said, "Why wouId peopIe beIieve this?" 1626 01:39:19,621 --> 01:39:23,123 And I said, "You know, I'm having a hard time understanding it, too, MichaeI, 1627 01:39:23,207 --> 01:39:28,253 "but what I think is that for so many years, peopIe have wondered about your sexuaIity 1628 01:39:28,379 --> 01:39:31,840 "and they've wondered, 'Is this guy gay, is this guy straight?' 1629 01:39:31,924 --> 01:39:33,550 "No one really could understand it. 1630 01:39:34,052 --> 01:39:36,887 "And now that this has happened, people feel that they have the answer, 1631 01:39:37,055 --> 01:39:39,222 "and it's something that they've decided to latch on to." 1632 01:39:39,724 --> 01:39:41,600 And he said, "Yes, but it's not true." 1633 01:39:41,893 --> 01:39:45,062 And I said, "Yeah, I know that, but this is what's going on. 1634 01:39:45,146 --> 01:39:47,648 "You know, this is what you are up against." 1635 01:39:47,732 --> 01:39:52,903 And he was devastated by the '93 aIIegations, there's no doubt about it. 1636 01:39:53,404 --> 01:39:54,488 Freda Payne SINGER 1637 01:39:54,572 --> 01:39:57,282 I feIt that somebody was trying to get something out of this 1638 01:39:57,408 --> 01:40:01,912 or they were manipuIating a situation. 1639 01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:03,163 MichaeI was a target. 1640 01:40:03,456 --> 01:40:07,167 MichaeI had made a Iot of money, and unfortunateIy, in our worId, 1641 01:40:07,251 --> 01:40:10,087 we have peopIe out there who wouId Iike to get some of your money. 1642 01:40:10,338 --> 01:40:13,965 And they wiII do aImost anything to get it. 1643 01:40:14,175 --> 01:40:17,469 Michael is my brother. l love him a great deal. 1644 01:40:17,595 --> 01:40:18,595 La Toya Jackson Press conference, IsraeI 1 993 1645 01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:24,017 But I cannot, and I wiII not be a silent collaborator of his crimes 1646 01:40:24,352 --> 01:40:26,144 against small, innocent children. 1647 01:40:26,270 --> 01:40:29,022 It was hard for me to beIieve that she beIieved that this was true. 1648 01:40:29,524 --> 01:40:33,652 Just because, if you knew La Toya and you knew MichaeI, they were so cIose 1649 01:40:34,946 --> 01:40:40,117 that it just seemed unfathomabIe that La Toya wouId speak out against her brother. 1650 01:40:40,410 --> 01:40:44,496 l have seen cheques payable to the parents of these children, 1651 01:40:45,748 --> 01:40:49,334 and l don't know if these children were apparently bought, 1652 01:40:50,253 --> 01:40:53,755 the parents, by Michael, or not, but l have seen these cheques. 1653 01:40:54,298 --> 01:40:56,007 And l've seen these cheques through my mother. 1654 01:40:56,134 --> 01:40:59,761 Jack Gordon was the guy's name who basicaIIy put her out there 1655 01:40:59,846 --> 01:41:03,140 to do things that was well out of her character. 1656 01:41:04,016 --> 01:41:07,144 I can't reaIIy say on teIevision the words for Jack Gordon. 1657 01:41:07,979 --> 01:41:13,525 But he was a man who had no moraIs and very IittIe cIass. 1658 01:41:14,610 --> 01:41:17,529 REBBIE: You can come in contact with the wrong people without knowing it 1659 01:41:17,655 --> 01:41:21,700 or peopIe that surround you, they can have a strong infIuence on you. 1660 01:41:26,789 --> 01:41:29,166 And these kids are gonna be scarred for the rest of their Iives, 1661 01:41:29,292 --> 01:41:33,670 and l don't wanna see any more innocent, small children being affected this way. 1662 01:41:33,838 --> 01:41:37,507 l love Michael very dearly but l feel even more sorry for these children 1663 01:41:37,633 --> 01:41:40,135 because they don't have a life any more. They don't. 1664 01:41:40,219 --> 01:41:42,179 I had spoken to him on the phone 1665 01:41:43,681 --> 01:41:46,850 the day after she had said aII those things. 1666 01:41:47,393 --> 01:41:51,688 And I have never heard him 1667 01:41:52,690 --> 01:41:56,818 feeI so much hate for a person than he did for La Toya. 1668 01:41:57,487 --> 01:42:00,906 I just know that it was something that was very ugIy and disheartening, 1669 01:42:01,365 --> 01:42:03,158 and the family didn't like it at all. 1670 01:42:03,367 --> 01:42:05,869 There's certain things you're not gonna get me to do 1671 01:42:06,078 --> 01:42:08,079 for no price, whatsoever, 1672 01:42:09,332 --> 01:42:11,875 when it comes to peopIe I Iove and care for. 1673 01:42:12,210 --> 01:42:14,503 He was hurt. He was reaIIy hurt. 1674 01:42:14,712 --> 01:42:19,633 La Toya Jackson and her husband, boyfriend, I guess, at that time, Jack Gordon, 1675 01:42:19,717 --> 01:42:23,678 and I went to Spain to do a TV show together. 1676 01:42:24,055 --> 01:42:29,267 And it was a crazy TV show, where she was going to be rigged to a Iie detector 1677 01:42:29,393 --> 01:42:31,228 and then l was going to ask her questions. 1678 01:42:31,354 --> 01:42:34,523 l can't imagine why she wanted to do this because l totally thought she was lying. 1679 01:42:35,525 --> 01:42:38,819 When MichaeI gave his speech from NeverIand, 1680 01:42:38,903 --> 01:42:42,864 we watched it in the green room backstage at this TV show. 1681 01:42:43,032 --> 01:42:45,534 l ask all of you to wait and hear the truth. 1682 01:42:45,618 --> 01:42:48,203 And I remember seeing it with La Toya thinking, "This is your brother 1683 01:42:48,287 --> 01:42:49,871 "and you're getting ready to go on teIevision 1684 01:42:49,956 --> 01:42:51,331 "and I'm gonna ask you these questions 1685 01:42:51,415 --> 01:42:53,917 "and the Iie detector's gonna be swinging Iike crazy." 1686 01:42:54,085 --> 01:42:56,378 And suddenly, La Toya's price for that interview 1687 01:42:56,546 --> 01:42:59,923 had gone up to, like, $100,000 from $10,000. 1688 01:43:00,424 --> 01:43:03,677 Jack said, "You know, this is now the biggest story in the worId, 1689 01:43:03,761 --> 01:43:06,555 "and La Toya is going to be paid appropriateIy." 1690 01:43:07,098 --> 01:43:09,432 And the show wouId not pay her that money, 1691 01:43:09,725 --> 01:43:12,435 and so, I ended up getting a free trip to Madrid. 1692 01:43:12,603 --> 01:43:14,688 They served a search warrant on me, 1693 01:43:14,772 --> 01:43:18,775 which allowed them to view and photograph my body, including my penis, 1694 01:43:19,318 --> 01:43:25,282 my buttocks, my lower torso, thighs and any other area that they wanted. 1695 01:43:26,158 --> 01:43:27,742 MichaeI did taIk to me about the strip search. 1696 01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:32,414 BasicaIIy, he said it was the most humiIiating experience of his Iife. 1697 01:43:33,124 --> 01:43:35,500 He couIdn't beIieve that it couId happen. 1698 01:43:35,918 --> 01:43:42,048 He couIdn't imagine that the Iaw provided for such a thing. 1699 01:43:42,133 --> 01:43:46,845 Who wouId stoop as Iow as trying to take pictures of a person's genitaIs, 1700 01:43:47,972 --> 01:43:50,765 and just trying to humiIiate him Iike that? 1701 01:43:51,976 --> 01:43:53,018 That was terribIe. 1702 01:43:53,978 --> 01:43:59,316 If that can happen, anything can happen. This man couId end up going to jaiI. 1703 01:43:59,817 --> 01:44:06,656 Because this guy, Tom Sneddon, he is definiteIy after MichaeI Jackson. 1704 01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:11,828 And he's got power. He's got the Iaw behind him. 1705 01:44:12,121 --> 01:44:13,288 It was a reaI wake-up caII. 1706 01:44:13,497 --> 01:44:18,501 I remember MichaeI caIIing me at 2:00 a.m. in the morning 1707 01:44:19,545 --> 01:44:21,713 and we spoke tiII 5:00 a.m. 1708 01:44:22,381 --> 01:44:25,967 And he toId me he wouId never, ever settIe that case. 1709 01:44:26,177 --> 01:44:28,887 He wouId never give the guy a dime. I said, "You're right. 1710 01:44:29,472 --> 01:44:34,392 "If you pay him off, peopIe are gonna think you are guiIty." 1711 01:44:34,518 --> 01:44:36,019 He said he wouId never do that. 1712 01:44:36,187 --> 01:44:39,856 MichaeI was getting some reaIIy horribIe advice at the time from Iawyers, 1713 01:44:39,982 --> 01:44:40,982 Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER 1714 01:44:41,067 --> 01:44:43,526 saying, "Let's just get rid of it, you know. 1715 01:44:44,028 --> 01:44:46,905 "SettIe it out and peopIe wiII forget it and it'II go away." 1716 01:44:47,698 --> 01:44:51,910 The time has come for Michael Jackson to move on to new business, 1717 01:44:52,411 --> 01:44:54,371 to get on with his life, 1718 01:44:54,997 --> 01:44:57,207 to start the healing process 1719 01:44:57,583 --> 01:45:01,086 and to move his career forward to even greater heights. 1720 01:45:01,379 --> 01:45:04,589 When they settIed the case by paying off, 1721 01:45:05,424 --> 01:45:08,510 right away the next day, I caIIed MichaeI, "Why did you do that?" 1722 01:45:09,220 --> 01:45:12,889 And MichaeI said, "Mother, I didn't do that. I wanted to fight it tiII the end. 1723 01:45:13,391 --> 01:45:17,394 "But they toId me, the Iawyers and things toId me, 1724 01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:21,272 "'Just go on and pay it off and settIe it."' 1725 01:45:22,066 --> 01:45:24,693 He just heard a Iot of peopIe making a Iot of promises 1726 01:45:24,777 --> 01:45:25,819 Frank DiIeo JACKSON MANAGER 1 984-89, 2009 1727 01:45:25,903 --> 01:45:27,862 and teIIing him, "It's no big deaI." 1728 01:45:28,072 --> 01:45:31,199 Like, "Pay them the money, it's Iike a quarter to you." 1729 01:45:31,283 --> 01:45:33,702 The reason they did it was because MichaeI was out on tour, 1730 01:45:33,786 --> 01:45:36,746 they had accused him of this terribIe thing, 1731 01:45:37,123 --> 01:45:41,251 and they didn't want to stop the tour, so they just paid it off. 1732 01:45:42,086 --> 01:45:47,382 It was too Iate. He got some of the worst advice, probabIy, in the music business. 1733 01:45:48,259 --> 01:45:50,552 I interviewed MichaeI right after he made the settIement, 1734 01:45:50,636 --> 01:45:52,721 and I asked him, "Why did you do it? 1735 01:45:53,431 --> 01:45:57,058 "Don't you reaIise that from this moment on, peopIe are going to beIieve you were guiIty?" 1736 01:45:57,268 --> 01:45:58,601 And MichaeI said he didn't care. 1737 01:45:59,103 --> 01:46:02,063 He said, "lt's my life, it's my career, it's my choice." 1738 01:46:03,274 --> 01:46:06,609 I discussed it with him many years Iater and he did regret the settIement. 1739 01:46:08,279 --> 01:46:11,614 It was one thing in the moment, you know, when you're in pain 1740 01:46:11,741 --> 01:46:14,784 and you're making a decision based on the pain of the moment, 1741 01:46:15,119 --> 01:46:18,955 it's another thing when years go by and you Iook back on it and you think, 1742 01:46:20,041 --> 01:46:21,082 "Why did I do that?" 1743 01:46:21,292 --> 01:46:25,045 And it wasn't about the $1 7 miIIion, that meant nothing to him. 1744 01:46:25,296 --> 01:46:30,467 It was paid out in an instaIment pIan, Iike he was buying a refrigerator. 1745 01:46:30,885 --> 01:46:32,469 It reaIIy meant nothing to him. 1746 01:46:32,553 --> 01:46:36,514 It was just the fact that peopIe beIieved he settIed because he was guiIty 1747 01:46:36,891 --> 01:46:38,141 that reaIIy pissed him off. 1748 01:46:44,106 --> 01:46:46,608 DILEO: A lot ofpeople are very confused on this. 1749 01:46:46,817 --> 01:46:50,987 But I can sit here under oath or any other way you want it, 1750 01:46:51,238 --> 01:46:53,740 and l'm a staunch Catholic, I'II swear on the BibIe, 1751 01:46:53,991 --> 01:46:55,283 MichaeI was not gay. 1752 01:46:55,951 --> 01:46:57,744 Nor has he ever been gay. 1753 01:46:58,537 --> 01:47:04,751 He's confided in me that certain women that he had reIationships with, 1754 01:47:05,795 --> 01:47:08,630 he wasn't pubIic about any of it, 1755 01:47:08,881 --> 01:47:12,801 because you don't want the fans to think you're tied down, 1756 01:47:12,885 --> 01:47:16,012 they don't have that shot of getting to you. 1757 01:47:19,850 --> 01:47:22,435 I went to his home, NeverIand, 1758 01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:23,561 Whitney Houston SINGER 1759 01:47:24,021 --> 01:47:26,397 and he puIIed out aII of the stops. 1760 01:47:26,982 --> 01:47:31,736 He picked me up in a heIicopter, and I got to the house, 1761 01:47:32,363 --> 01:47:36,491 and he had a coach and buggy pick me up from the gate, to his home. 1762 01:47:37,201 --> 01:47:42,205 We were in the kitchen, and this is when he had BubbIes, the monkey. 1763 01:47:43,207 --> 01:47:47,752 I had taken off my shoes, and I feIt this IittIe nibbIe at my toe, 1764 01:47:48,754 --> 01:47:51,840 and I thought MichaeI was pIaying with my toes. 1765 01:47:51,924 --> 01:47:54,008 I was Iike, "Oh, MichaeI, aren't you speciaI." 1766 01:47:54,677 --> 01:47:56,928 But it was BubbIes sucking on my big toe. 1767 01:47:57,596 --> 01:47:59,097 (LAUGHING) l thought to myself, 1768 01:48:00,474 --> 01:48:02,308 "You better watch out, I'II take BubbIes home." 1769 01:48:04,728 --> 01:48:08,982 MichaeI toId me about being on the set of a movie, 1770 01:48:09,066 --> 01:48:14,821 and one of the leading ladies invited him to her room to watch a movie 1771 01:48:15,781 --> 01:48:20,577 and I guess the saying wouId be she "jumped his bones." 1772 01:48:21,162 --> 01:48:25,206 I know some of the stars that MichaeI had been with. 1773 01:48:26,876 --> 01:48:28,626 I'II take that to my grave. 1774 01:48:33,841 --> 01:48:36,342 When he married Lisa Marie PresIey, it came out of nowhere 1775 01:48:36,427 --> 01:48:39,429 and everybody thought it was a big joke, incIuding me. 1776 01:48:42,099 --> 01:48:44,893 I went on teIevision and I cracked a joke 1777 01:48:45,060 --> 01:48:49,272 that if anybody's interested in buying MichaeI and Lisa Marie a wedding present, 1778 01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:51,399 they're registered at Toys R Us. 1779 01:48:51,984 --> 01:48:54,569 On my way home, the phone rang and it was Michael, 1780 01:48:54,737 --> 01:48:57,197 and he said, "Of all the people in my world, 1781 01:48:57,281 --> 01:49:01,492 "I wouId think that you wouId not beIittIe my reIationship." 1782 01:49:02,036 --> 01:49:05,872 And I said, "WeII, you know, I feeI reaIIy terribIe right now about this, MichaeI, 1783 01:49:05,956 --> 01:49:08,625 "but you have to understand that this thing with Lisa Marie 1784 01:49:08,876 --> 01:49:11,044 "has come out of the cIear bIue sky. 1785 01:49:11,295 --> 01:49:12,879 "Nobody understands what's going on here. 1786 01:49:12,963 --> 01:49:15,632 "She's from GraceIand, you're from NeverIand. 1787 01:49:16,133 --> 01:49:17,592 "What is going on here?" 1788 01:49:19,845 --> 01:49:22,138 We did a very Iong interview, in which he expIained to me 1789 01:49:22,556 --> 01:49:25,058 that he reaIIy feIt very strongIy about Lisa Marie PresIey, 1790 01:49:25,809 --> 01:49:28,311 that the marriage was a real marriage for him. 1791 01:49:29,480 --> 01:49:32,273 And he said, "And if you don't beIieve me, ask Lisa Marie." 1792 01:49:32,483 --> 01:49:33,900 And so I did. 1793 01:49:34,610 --> 01:49:37,320 I interviewed Lisa Marie severaI times. 1794 01:49:37,404 --> 01:49:39,781 And I can teII you one thing about Lisa Marie PresIey, 1795 01:49:40,449 --> 01:49:41,491 she's tough. 1796 01:49:42,493 --> 01:49:43,701 She teIIs the truth. 1797 01:49:44,286 --> 01:49:46,955 She is in-your-face honest. 1798 01:49:49,333 --> 01:49:52,335 l believed her when she told me that that was a real marriage. 1799 01:49:54,713 --> 01:49:56,422 KATHERINE: lt was a surprise to me. 1800 01:49:56,674 --> 01:50:00,009 (CHUCKLES) l had heard it on television, but he never told me. 1801 01:50:01,011 --> 01:50:03,263 He caIIed me, and I said, 1802 01:50:03,347 --> 01:50:05,640 "I've been hearing about you being married to Lisa Marie PresIey." 1803 01:50:05,724 --> 01:50:08,518 He said, "Yes, that's why l called you. l wanted to tell you about it. 1804 01:50:09,019 --> 01:50:10,770 "And she's right here. You wanna speak to her?" 1805 01:50:11,897 --> 01:50:13,731 And I spoke to her. 1806 01:50:14,566 --> 01:50:16,943 Being raised in the South, she had that accent. 1807 01:50:17,278 --> 01:50:19,362 She had a very deep voice, aIso. 1808 01:50:19,738 --> 01:50:22,198 And I toId MichaeI, I said, "MichaeI, that's not her. 1809 01:50:22,533 --> 01:50:24,367 "That's a black girl that l spoke to." 1810 01:50:27,413 --> 01:50:29,038 GEST: He was married to his career. 1811 01:50:29,123 --> 01:50:33,293 And l don't think any woman could live with somebody 1812 01:50:33,711 --> 01:50:36,587 and find that they pIace second, 1813 01:50:38,048 --> 01:50:39,048 and not first. 1814 01:50:41,135 --> 01:50:42,760 TARABORRELLI: Michael and Debbie were always very different. 1815 01:50:43,470 --> 01:50:45,638 Debbie Rowe and MichaeI Jackson were not in Iove. 1816 01:50:47,057 --> 01:50:51,602 Debbie Rowe was somebody that wouId have been a surrogate mother 1817 01:50:52,062 --> 01:50:55,732 to MichaeI's chiIdren, had he had his way. 1818 01:50:56,317 --> 01:50:59,485 Had he had his way, we would never even know her name. 1819 01:50:59,987 --> 01:51:03,448 The probIem was that MichaeI's own mom 1820 01:51:04,325 --> 01:51:09,746 was so determined that MichaeI not have chiIdren out of wedIock, 1821 01:51:10,247 --> 01:51:14,459 that she reaIIy wanted MichaeI to marry Debbie. 1822 01:51:15,085 --> 01:51:20,465 And MichaeI feIt pressured aIso, by the record industry and by his fans, 1823 01:51:20,591 --> 01:51:23,384 to sort of make an honest woman out of Debbie Rowe. 1824 01:51:23,469 --> 01:51:25,136 And she would have done anything for Michael. 1825 01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:29,766 She was a big fan of his. She had posters of him aII over her apartment. 1826 01:51:30,100 --> 01:51:31,434 She wouId have done anything for him. 1827 01:51:34,813 --> 01:51:36,356 She never lived at Neverland. 1828 01:51:36,774 --> 01:51:40,443 She never moved in to NeverIand, Iike Lisa Marie did. 1829 01:51:40,778 --> 01:51:44,781 Their marriage was a marriage in name only, 1830 01:51:44,948 --> 01:51:48,785 so that she couId have his chiIdren and then they divorced. 1831 01:51:48,911 --> 01:51:51,788 MichaeI toId me the reason he married Debbie Rowe 1832 01:51:51,914 --> 01:51:52,914 David Gest MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND 1833 01:51:52,998 --> 01:51:54,957 was because he wanted to have a chiId 1834 01:51:55,125 --> 01:51:59,253 and that she was just a really nice person to be around. 1835 01:51:59,630 --> 01:52:03,299 It wasn't that he was so physicaIIy in Iove with her, 1836 01:52:03,801 --> 01:52:08,971 it's that he Iiked that she was a great nurse, and she understood him. 1837 01:52:11,642 --> 01:52:14,227 MichaeI had two chiIdren with Debbie Rowe: Prince (1 997) and Paris (1 998). 1838 01:52:18,482 --> 01:52:22,610 He had a third chiId 'BIanket' in 2002 with an unknown mother. 1839 01:52:23,821 --> 01:52:28,950 I got up one day and heard on the radio The Love You Save by the Jackson 5. 1840 01:52:31,787 --> 01:52:34,288 lt was my all-time favourite record by the group. 1841 01:52:34,665 --> 01:52:38,626 And I caIIed MichaeI and said, "We're gonna do a concert, 1842 01:52:40,671 --> 01:52:43,673 "and I'm gonna reunite you and your brothers." 1843 01:52:43,841 --> 01:52:44,882 Michael said no. 1844 01:52:45,717 --> 01:52:47,176 Straight out, no. 1845 01:52:47,678 --> 01:52:51,347 And I caIIed him again and I said, "We've got to do this. 1846 01:52:51,974 --> 01:52:53,558 "You're gonna make a Iot of money 1847 01:52:55,018 --> 01:52:58,855 "and we'II put together a deaI and you and I wiII own it. 1848 01:53:00,190 --> 01:53:01,816 "We'll be partners in this." 1849 01:53:02,484 --> 01:53:04,485 And Michael said, "Okay, let's do it." 1850 01:53:04,695 --> 01:53:06,362 We set the wheeIs in motion 1851 01:53:06,822 --> 01:53:11,325 for the MichaeI Jackson 30th Anniversary CeIebration: The SoIo Years 1852 01:53:11,702 --> 01:53:14,996 in New York City at Madison Square Garden. 1853 01:53:15,873 --> 01:53:19,208 It was about six weeks before the show. 1854 01:53:19,334 --> 01:53:20,334 Frank Cascio JACKSON'S FRIEND, ASSISTANT 1855 01:53:20,419 --> 01:53:24,213 And aII of a sudden, as MichaeI expected, 1856 01:53:26,049 --> 01:53:29,927 Jermaine had aII these random requests and demands. 1857 01:53:30,512 --> 01:53:33,431 GEST: Michael was very disappointed with Jermaine. 1858 01:53:33,891 --> 01:53:36,684 He never thought he was very shrewd or sharp. 1859 01:53:36,894 --> 01:53:38,686 He Ioved his brother dearIy. 1860 01:53:39,354 --> 01:53:43,024 But there was a competition between them. 1861 01:53:43,650 --> 01:53:47,069 MichaeI said, "WeII, if he's a probIem, get him off the show." 1862 01:53:49,072 --> 01:53:51,991 TARABORRELLI: l think it was really difficult for Jermaine to live in the shadow 1863 01:53:52,242 --> 01:53:55,495 of somebody who was as huge as MichaeI. 1864 01:53:55,579 --> 01:53:56,913 J. Randy TaraborreIIi JACKSON FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER 1865 01:53:57,080 --> 01:53:59,373 And they were very, very competitive in that famiIy. 1866 01:53:59,708 --> 01:54:02,585 Two weeks before the show, Katherine Jackson caIIed me and said, 1867 01:54:03,212 --> 01:54:05,254 "I want aII my sons together. 1868 01:54:06,173 --> 01:54:07,715 "Jermaine has to go back." 1869 01:54:07,925 --> 01:54:09,383 I said, "I can't deaI with him." 1870 01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:11,427 And she said, "He will be no problem." 1871 01:54:12,763 --> 01:54:15,181 And he came and was a perfect angeI. 1872 01:54:19,728 --> 01:54:24,690 MichaeI reaIIy wanted EIizabeth TayIor at the show, as his date. 1873 01:54:27,277 --> 01:54:30,905 But EIizabeth wasn't gonna do anything for nothing. 1874 01:54:32,115 --> 01:54:34,408 "Oh, Michael, l don't know. 1875 01:54:35,077 --> 01:54:36,619 "I don't know, MichaeI. 1876 01:54:36,870 --> 01:54:41,457 "I'm not feeIing so weII and I don't know if it's a good idea." 1877 01:54:42,876 --> 01:54:46,254 That day, he picked out the most beautiful necklace for Elizabeth Taylor. 1878 01:54:46,964 --> 01:54:49,966 "Oh, MichaeI, I Iove it. 1879 01:54:50,467 --> 01:54:54,554 "Of course I wiII come to the show with you. Of course." 1880 01:54:55,722 --> 01:55:01,143 So, EIizabeth TayIor, for a fee of a $250,000 neckIace, 1881 01:55:02,062 --> 01:55:04,438 was MichaeI Jackson's date at the show. 1882 01:55:04,898 --> 01:55:07,567 WeII, he is one of my cIosest friends. 1883 01:55:07,651 --> 01:55:08,734 Madison Square Garden SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2001 1884 01:55:08,819 --> 01:55:14,657 And we know more about each other, probabIy, than any two peopIe. 1885 01:55:15,826 --> 01:55:17,618 And I Iove him and he Ioves me. 1886 01:55:19,454 --> 01:55:22,832 GEST: He was supposed to be in the audience from 8:00 to 9:00, 1887 01:55:23,125 --> 01:55:26,002 watching aII the acts do a tribute to him. 1888 01:55:27,838 --> 01:55:32,967 No MichaeI at 8:00, no MichaeI at 8:1 5, no MichaeI at 8:30. 1889 01:55:34,428 --> 01:55:36,929 The CBS peopIe were saying, "What's going on?" 1890 01:55:37,180 --> 01:55:39,140 I said, "He's on his way." 1891 01:55:40,309 --> 01:55:43,060 Frank Cascio went over to the hotel. 1892 01:55:43,687 --> 01:55:45,688 So I waIk into his room, he's sIeeping. 1893 01:55:46,773 --> 01:55:48,190 "What do you mean he's asIeep?" 1894 01:55:48,859 --> 01:55:53,154 I couId teII he was out of it and he wasn't compIeteIy there. 1895 01:55:53,363 --> 01:55:56,073 l started shouting at him. l said, "What did you take?" 1896 01:55:56,158 --> 01:55:58,284 So, he told me, he took a shot of Demerol. 1897 01:55:58,785 --> 01:56:00,911 He said, "Frank, my back was killing me." 1898 01:56:00,996 --> 01:56:03,205 I said, "You're just Iooking for an excuse to get out of the show. 1899 01:56:04,291 --> 01:56:05,333 "Just teII me, isn't that right?" 1900 01:56:05,876 --> 01:56:06,917 He wouIdn't answer me. 1901 01:56:07,628 --> 01:56:09,045 But I knew that was what it was. 1902 01:56:09,254 --> 01:56:13,466 I said, "I don't care what you've taken, you get on there and entertain." 1903 01:56:13,550 --> 01:56:15,468 REPORTER: What makes this a great night for you? 1904 01:56:15,677 --> 01:56:22,350 It's a reunion and I'm honoured that the worId appreciates my art. 1905 01:56:22,434 --> 01:56:23,601 I'm very honoured. 1906 01:56:24,186 --> 01:56:26,479 TARABORRELLI: l remember talking to MichaeI at that time, 1907 01:56:26,897 --> 01:56:30,191 and he feII asIeep on the phone when I was taIking to him. 1908 01:56:30,275 --> 01:56:34,820 And I caIIed his Iawyer and I said, "Is it possibIe that MichaeI is on drugs?" 1909 01:56:34,905 --> 01:56:38,407 Because l couldn't imagine it. Michael never did anything like that. 1910 01:56:39,660 --> 01:56:44,163 MichaeI never admitted to anybody that he had a probIem with drugs. 1911 01:56:45,707 --> 01:56:47,083 He was totaIIy aIoof. 1912 01:56:48,418 --> 01:56:51,921 Those of us that did know, and tried to help, 1913 01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:55,466 he just eIiminated. 1914 01:56:56,968 --> 01:57:00,971 He's an amazing man, that he couId, on the piIIs that he took, 1915 01:57:01,431 --> 01:57:02,765 put on a performance. 1916 01:57:03,642 --> 01:57:06,352 He Iooked Iike his eyes were cIosed most of the time, 1917 01:57:06,436 --> 01:57:08,020 because I've got the tapes. 1918 01:57:09,189 --> 01:57:11,941 But no one knew. 1919 01:57:12,275 --> 01:57:13,859 It was a briIIiant show. 1920 01:57:14,444 --> 01:57:18,614 A Iot of energy with the brothers being on stage once more, again. 1921 01:57:18,699 --> 01:57:22,743 And the whoIe thing, just pIaying those hit songs once more, 1922 01:57:23,912 --> 01:57:25,371 brought back a Iot of great memories. 1923 01:57:31,628 --> 01:57:33,963 I don't know anybody who couId do aII those dances 1924 01:57:34,548 --> 01:57:36,882 and get up there. And he got away with it. 1925 01:57:37,134 --> 01:57:38,300 (UP-TEMPO SONG PLAYING) 1926 01:57:38,385 --> 01:57:40,469 The TV broadcast of the concert went on to become 1927 01:57:40,595 --> 01:57:42,722 one of the highest rated 'Music SpeciaIs' in American history. 1928 01:58:02,159 --> 01:58:08,581 Around 2003, MichaeI became invoIved with a famiIy by the name ofArvizo. 1929 01:58:09,291 --> 01:58:13,502 And Martin Bashir was doing a documentary about MichaeI. 1930 01:58:14,421 --> 01:58:16,756 And it was MichaeI's idea 1931 01:58:18,341 --> 01:58:21,135 to feature this kid in the documentary. 1932 01:58:22,971 --> 01:58:27,975 MichaeI has a deep affection for heIping chiIdren in need. 1933 01:58:28,852 --> 01:58:34,148 And this chiId happened to have a severe case of cancer. 1934 01:58:35,859 --> 01:58:40,154 MichaeI immediateIy wanted to do something to heIp, to give this chiId hope, 1935 01:58:40,655 --> 01:58:43,365 and give him a reason to live. 1936 01:58:43,867 --> 01:58:46,994 A Iot of the peopIe working for MichaeI Jackson didn't want MichaeI to do this 1937 01:58:47,496 --> 01:58:50,039 because they feIt that after what happened with Jordy ChandIer, 1938 01:58:50,290 --> 01:58:55,628 people shouldn't be reminded of any association that Michael had with any kids. 1939 01:58:55,879 --> 01:58:58,672 But MichaeI had no consciousness of guiIt, at aII. 1940 01:58:59,382 --> 01:59:00,549 I saw the originaI documentary that Mr Bashir produced. 1941 01:59:00,675 --> 01:59:02,218 Thomas A. Mesereau, Jr. JACKSON'S ATTORNEY, 2005 TRIAL 1942 01:59:02,302 --> 01:59:04,220 l didn't know Michael Jackson at the time. 1943 01:59:04,346 --> 01:59:07,389 But something seemed very, very manipulative, 1944 01:59:07,474 --> 01:59:10,559 very sinister, about the way he approached MichaeI Jackson. 1945 01:59:11,228 --> 01:59:15,815 And what was proof of that was the naÏveté MichaeI dispIayed 1946 01:59:15,899 --> 01:59:19,819 in continuing to taIk to this man, who cIearIy, in my opinion, 1947 01:59:19,903 --> 01:59:21,904 was bent on destroying his reputation. 1948 01:59:22,155 --> 01:59:25,407 FEMALE REPORTER: Tonight, 12-year-old Gavin reveals he spends nights at Neverland, 1949 01:59:25,492 --> 01:59:28,410 sometimes in Jackson's bed, the star on the floor. 1950 01:59:29,913 --> 01:59:34,583 Next thing you know, chiIdren protective services became invoIved, 1951 01:59:34,709 --> 01:59:37,336 and different Iawyers began asking questions, 1952 01:59:38,088 --> 01:59:40,047 Tom Sneddon is back in the picture again. 1953 01:59:41,091 --> 01:59:48,013 And the Arvizo famiIy, suddenIy, have decided that MichaeI had moIested Gavin. 1954 01:59:51,101 --> 01:59:54,687 Gavin came to MichaeI, and said, "MichaeI, can we sIeep in your room tonight?" 1955 01:59:54,771 --> 01:59:56,647 Frank Cascio - UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR, JACKSON TRIAL 2005 1956 01:59:56,731 --> 02:00:00,693 And MichaeI Iooked at me and says, "I don't know. 1957 02:00:00,777 --> 02:00:03,153 "You know, I think you better ask your mother." 1958 02:00:03,488 --> 02:00:06,699 "Oh, we aIready asked our mother. She says, 'Sure, no probIem."' 1959 02:00:07,284 --> 02:00:11,036 l'm like, "No. This is... Something's odd. This is not right." 1960 02:00:11,246 --> 02:00:16,125 And then, as I was about to go teII Gavin that he cannot sIeep in MichaeI's room, 1961 02:00:16,585 --> 02:00:18,961 MichaeI says, "Okay, I have a soIution for this. 1962 02:00:20,213 --> 02:00:23,090 "You have to sIeep in the room with me." 1963 02:00:23,633 --> 02:00:27,636 The two chiIdren sIept on the bed and MichaeI and I sIept on the fIoor. 1964 02:00:28,263 --> 02:00:31,390 An arrest warrant for Mr Jackson has been issued 1965 02:00:31,975 --> 02:00:34,268 on multiple counts of child molestation. 1966 02:00:35,437 --> 02:00:36,562 At this point in time, 1967 02:00:37,147 --> 02:00:40,316 Mr Jackson's been given an opportunity to surrender himself 1968 02:00:41,151 --> 02:00:43,444 to the custody of the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department 1969 02:00:43,695 --> 02:00:45,863 within a specified period of time. 1970 02:00:46,031 --> 02:00:50,075 They were cIaiming that MichaeI organised a conspiracy to abduct chiIdren, 1971 02:00:50,201 --> 02:00:53,996 to faIseIy imprison a famiIy and to commit criminaI extortion. 1972 02:00:54,289 --> 02:00:57,750 And the other counts had to do with aIIegations of chiId moIestation. 1973 02:00:57,918 --> 02:01:02,338 These were serious aIIegations, the most ridicuIous aIIegations. 1974 02:01:02,881 --> 02:01:06,926 Anyone who knows Michael, Michael is not a paedophile. 1975 02:01:08,929 --> 02:01:12,389 Mr Jackson has been booked into the countyjail. 1976 02:01:12,474 --> 02:01:16,101 He has since been released. He has posted the bail 1977 02:01:16,436 --> 02:01:18,270 and he has been given an arraignment date. 1978 02:01:18,897 --> 02:01:19,939 Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER 1979 02:01:20,023 --> 02:01:22,733 It bothered me because I was wondering how he was feeIing 1980 02:01:22,817 --> 02:01:24,568 and how he was deaIing with it. 1981 02:01:25,654 --> 02:01:29,949 Michael used to always tell me, "l'd rather slit my own wrist than to hurt a child. 1982 02:01:30,325 --> 02:01:32,076 "And here they are trying to accuse me 1983 02:01:32,494 --> 02:01:35,746 "of the thing that I Iove best, and that's chiIdren, 1984 02:01:35,956 --> 02:01:37,623 "accuse me of moIesting them." 1985 02:01:37,958 --> 02:01:41,210 The more I Iooked at the facts, the more I conversed with him, 1986 02:01:41,294 --> 02:01:43,212 the more ridicuIous these charges appeared. 1987 02:01:43,296 --> 02:01:45,047 He just did not seem Iike the kind of person 1988 02:01:45,131 --> 02:01:47,841 that couId ever engage in this kind of behaviour. 1989 02:01:49,427 --> 02:01:52,805 Mr Sneddon was obsessed with taking down Michael Jackson. 1990 02:01:53,390 --> 02:01:57,351 My understanding is that in the mid-'90s, Mr Sneddon personally travelled 1991 02:01:57,477 --> 02:02:01,146 to AustraIia and Canada, and perhaps other countries I'm not aware of, 1992 02:02:01,481 --> 02:02:03,691 to find witnesses against MichaeI Jackson. 1993 02:02:03,817 --> 02:02:08,112 He aIso arranged to have a website at the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department 1994 02:02:08,196 --> 02:02:10,948 where they were Iooking for any witnesses or evidence against MichaeI. 1995 02:02:12,617 --> 02:02:15,577 FinaIIy, in 2004, he got his wish, 1996 02:02:15,704 --> 02:02:18,455 a criminaI triaI with MichaeI Jackson as the defendant. 1997 02:02:18,832 --> 02:02:24,753 To see this DA, with this wicked smiIe and grin, 1998 02:02:25,046 --> 02:02:28,966 Iike, he's gonna become a nationaI hero 1999 02:02:30,677 --> 02:02:34,179 for catching MichaeI Jackson doing something that he never did 2000 02:02:35,181 --> 02:02:38,517 made me wanna just throw up on the teIevision. 2001 02:02:39,144 --> 02:02:42,855 Jackson himseIf, I beIieve, has said that this was all done 2002 02:02:42,939 --> 02:02:46,775 to try to ruin his new CD that was coming out or whatever it is he's doing, 2003 02:02:47,277 --> 02:02:50,404 like the sheriff and l really are into that kind of music. But... 2004 02:02:50,572 --> 02:02:52,156 (PEOPLE LAUGH) 2005 02:02:53,324 --> 02:02:56,785 There was a reaI, sort of, Ieaning in the press corps 2006 02:02:57,245 --> 02:03:00,330 that, "Look, if this is happening again, then he must be guiIty." 2007 02:03:01,124 --> 02:03:03,375 We reaIIy didn't know what they had. 2008 02:03:03,793 --> 02:03:07,546 We just... Because it was aII seaIed and nobody knew what it was. 2009 02:03:07,881 --> 02:03:11,008 I personaIIy beIieve this Janet Arvizo 2010 02:03:12,552 --> 02:03:14,803 was provoked by someone. 2011 02:03:15,263 --> 02:03:17,431 Janet Arvizo is a sick woman. 2012 02:03:17,515 --> 02:03:21,518 She has a track history of shaking peopIe down. 2013 02:03:21,603 --> 02:03:25,272 The more I Iooked at the history of weIfare fraud, 2014 02:03:25,356 --> 02:03:28,817 the more I Iooked at their hustIing ceIebrities to try and get money, 2015 02:03:28,902 --> 02:03:33,030 the more l put this package together, l have to say, l was quite surprised 2016 02:03:33,323 --> 02:03:36,742 that the prosecutors pinned their hopes on these peopIe. 2017 02:03:36,826 --> 02:03:39,703 We've been ready to do this for some period of time. 2018 02:03:39,788 --> 02:03:42,206 I wanna cIarify that so that you understand that. 2019 02:03:42,290 --> 02:03:45,417 MESEREAU: Prosecution was like a train that left the station. 2020 02:03:45,502 --> 02:03:47,127 lt was not gonna slow down. 2021 02:03:47,378 --> 02:03:49,671 Once they decided to charge MichaeI Jackson, 2022 02:03:49,756 --> 02:03:52,591 it aImost appeared as if they were gonna do whatever it took 2023 02:03:52,675 --> 02:03:55,469 to make sure this thing got to trial and that they got a conviction. 2024 02:03:57,597 --> 02:04:01,892 Seventy sheriffs from Santa Barbara County raided MichaeI Jackson's home. 2025 02:04:02,268 --> 02:04:04,019 Now, I've seen murder cases, 2026 02:04:04,104 --> 02:04:08,690 l've seen serial killers have investigations done in their premises, 2027 02:04:08,942 --> 02:04:12,027 with five peopIe, with six peopIe, with 1 0 peopIe. 2028 02:04:12,112 --> 02:04:16,907 Never have I seen this many sheriffs descend on anybody's home in any case. 2029 02:04:17,033 --> 02:04:18,867 It was aII done because of who he was, 2030 02:04:18,952 --> 02:04:21,745 and they knew this was gonna be a worIdwide event, 2031 02:04:21,871 --> 02:04:24,581 and, frankIy, it was very despicabIe as far as I'm concerned. 2032 02:04:24,749 --> 02:04:28,085 There was a Iynch mob mentaIity in Santa Maria that extended 2033 02:04:28,211 --> 02:04:31,922 not only to the police and to the district attorney 2034 02:04:32,048 --> 02:04:33,966 but, maybe, to the media as weII. 2035 02:04:34,300 --> 02:04:37,553 And l remember when we were standing in line to get our press credentials, 2036 02:04:37,887 --> 02:04:41,974 one of the reporters, a woman, who was a very popular reporter in America, 2037 02:04:42,100 --> 02:04:44,810 pulled herself out of the line and she said, 2038 02:04:44,894 --> 02:04:49,606 "Is there anybody standing in this Iine, besides J. Randy TaraborreIIi, 2039 02:04:49,732 --> 02:04:53,318 "who does not beIieve that MichaeI Jackson is guiIty?" 2040 02:04:54,988 --> 02:04:56,697 MESEREAU: And there was the issue ofrace. 2041 02:04:56,781 --> 02:05:00,325 When he got in big troubIe, he reached out to bIack Ieaders 2042 02:05:00,410 --> 02:05:01,577 to try and defend him. 2043 02:05:02,328 --> 02:05:06,290 He reached out to Reverend Jesse Jackson, to Reverend Al Sharpton and others. 2044 02:05:06,416 --> 02:05:09,459 l wanted to avoid any racial division. 2045 02:05:09,752 --> 02:05:14,673 There was a phone caII one night. It was MichaeI Jackson and his pubIicist. 2046 02:05:14,757 --> 02:05:17,634 She wanted to bring black celebrities into the courtroom. 2047 02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:20,095 She feIt this wouId be better for his Iegacy. 2048 02:05:20,180 --> 02:05:23,682 And my comment about this request was that, 2049 02:05:23,766 --> 02:05:25,184 you know, if he's convicted, 2050 02:05:25,268 --> 02:05:28,812 his Iegacy is gonna be dying in CaIifornia State Prison. 2051 02:05:29,105 --> 02:05:30,772 (CROWD CHEERING) 2052 02:05:33,610 --> 02:05:38,697 DILEO: And l flew out, at the request of Katherine, to go to the arraignment. 2053 02:05:38,781 --> 02:05:41,700 When we aII drove up together, you know, and went through that. 2054 02:05:41,784 --> 02:05:42,951 Frank DiIeo JACKSON MANAGER 1 984-89, 2009 2055 02:05:43,036 --> 02:05:44,620 Of course, then he got on the roof. 2056 02:05:45,038 --> 02:05:46,788 (CROWD CHEERING) 2057 02:05:51,794 --> 02:05:53,754 When he got in the car, l said, 2058 02:05:53,838 --> 02:05:56,798 "WiII you stop that aIready? This is serious stuff here." 2059 02:05:57,050 --> 02:06:01,136 He went in there, he was strong, he was not gonna Iet anything get to him, 2060 02:06:01,221 --> 02:06:03,764 he was jumping on the bus, 2061 02:06:03,848 --> 02:06:06,475 really proud, you know what, showing his fans, 2062 02:06:06,559 --> 02:06:08,518 "We're gonna get through this, we're gonna fight. 2063 02:06:08,645 --> 02:06:10,646 "Everything's gonna be fine." 2064 02:06:11,147 --> 02:06:12,147 When we first started, 2065 02:06:12,232 --> 02:06:16,026 MichaeI came in and he Iooked reaIIy robust and heaIthy. 2066 02:06:16,152 --> 02:06:20,656 He was sharp and focused, 2067 02:06:21,241 --> 02:06:24,409 and determined to prove his innocence. 2068 02:06:26,913 --> 02:06:29,873 Case 1 1 33603: The PeopIe v Jackson begins on February 28, 2005. 2069 02:06:29,999 --> 02:06:31,792 GEST: Even after the first day, 2070 02:06:31,876 --> 02:06:35,587 you knew that these peopIe were onIy after money, 2071 02:06:35,672 --> 02:06:40,842 and this was the biggest hoax in the worId that they were trying to puII. 2072 02:06:41,177 --> 02:06:44,179 They put witnesses on the stand to testify under oath 2073 02:06:44,264 --> 02:06:45,681 to things that never happened, 2074 02:06:45,765 --> 02:06:48,392 to things that were compIeteIy exaggerated and untrue. 2075 02:06:49,602 --> 02:06:52,229 They were willing to almost throw anything at the jury, 2076 02:06:52,355 --> 02:06:54,189 hoping something would stick. 2077 02:06:54,357 --> 02:06:58,193 FEMALE REPORTER: Time for a diminutive mother of four, Janet Arvizo, 2078 02:06:58,278 --> 02:06:59,778 to take centre stage. 2079 02:06:59,946 --> 02:07:03,031 Her evidence could end the career of a pop legend. 2080 02:07:03,116 --> 02:07:06,535 What had upset me is they were reporting 2081 02:07:06,619 --> 02:07:07,661 Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER 2082 02:07:07,745 --> 02:07:10,872 everything that was said about MichaeI, 2083 02:07:11,207 --> 02:07:13,875 but they wasn't reporting anything in his defence. 2084 02:07:13,960 --> 02:07:15,711 It Iooked Iike a feeding frenzy to me. 2085 02:07:15,795 --> 02:07:17,004 The media were just out 2086 02:07:17,088 --> 02:07:21,550 to see the worId's greatest known ceIebrity faII to destruction. 2087 02:07:21,634 --> 02:07:24,928 That's where they thought their ratings in the future would come from. 2088 02:07:25,138 --> 02:07:27,889 And, for me, it was really a disgrace. 2089 02:07:28,558 --> 02:07:29,891 During the triaI, 2090 02:07:29,976 --> 02:07:32,561 Diane Dimond was the worst person in the worId. 2091 02:07:33,479 --> 02:07:36,773 Nice to meet you. Your hands are very cold. 2092 02:07:36,899 --> 02:07:39,526 l didn't say what you thought l'd say. Did you get my message? 2093 02:07:39,610 --> 02:07:41,403 l got your message. 2094 02:07:41,571 --> 02:07:45,574 I don't understand how these peopIe can run out and Iie. 2095 02:07:46,451 --> 02:07:49,911 They don't even get a chance to find out the truth. 2096 02:07:51,414 --> 02:07:54,124 Tom Mesereau wouId get there and show... And cIean it up, 2097 02:07:54,250 --> 02:07:57,419 and show that this is not true, this is reaIIy how it went, 2098 02:07:57,670 --> 02:07:59,588 but they wouldn't report that. 2099 02:07:59,672 --> 02:08:01,673 And that went on for months. 2100 02:08:01,924 --> 02:08:05,135 When we finaIIy got to see what was being aIIeged, 2101 02:08:05,261 --> 02:08:08,972 it just seemed so ridicuIous and so far-fetched 2102 02:08:09,098 --> 02:08:14,102 that I remember one reporter from CNN came over to me 2103 02:08:14,771 --> 02:08:17,731 after the day that the mother testified, Janet Arvizo, 2104 02:08:17,815 --> 02:08:20,150 and he said, "I feeI so used." 2105 02:08:20,401 --> 02:08:24,404 Mrs Arvizo cIaimed that she feared MichaeI Jackson so much 2106 02:08:24,489 --> 02:08:26,948 that she thought he and his henchmen were gonna 2107 02:08:27,075 --> 02:08:31,620 put she and her family on a hot air balloon and let them sail away to their demise. 2108 02:08:31,913 --> 02:08:37,000 That was one of, probabIy, 500 crazy things that came out of this triaI 2109 02:08:37,126 --> 02:08:39,669 that the Arvizo famiIy were aIIeging. 2110 02:08:39,796 --> 02:08:42,839 Sitting in court, Iistening to aII these peopIe Iie, 2111 02:08:42,965 --> 02:08:45,717 peopIe he'd been good to and aII of that, 2112 02:08:45,802 --> 02:08:49,805 he said he couIdn't beIieve that they were teIIing aII these Iies on him. 2113 02:08:49,931 --> 02:08:53,141 These people must have been paid off to do a lot of this stuff. 2114 02:08:53,309 --> 02:08:55,143 CASCIO: l warned him about this family. 2115 02:08:55,269 --> 02:08:59,481 I warned him about that mother. That mother, I read from a miIe away. 2116 02:08:59,690 --> 02:09:02,651 She had an agenda from day one. 2117 02:09:03,027 --> 02:09:06,488 There was a so-caIIed rebuttaI video that was pIayed, 2118 02:09:06,948 --> 02:09:13,453 the video that the Arvizo family made after the allegations had surfaced, 2119 02:09:13,663 --> 02:09:19,501 in which they cIaim that MichaeI had been a father figure 2120 02:09:19,627 --> 02:09:21,670 to this famiIy. 2121 02:09:21,879 --> 02:09:24,840 And they were really adamant about it on this video. 2122 02:09:24,966 --> 02:09:27,134 And this video existed. 2123 02:09:27,218 --> 02:09:30,095 And you wouId've thought that just the fact that this video existed 2124 02:09:30,179 --> 02:09:31,680 wouId've been enough for the district attorney 2125 02:09:31,806 --> 02:09:33,348 to not wanna prosecute this case, 2126 02:09:33,474 --> 02:09:35,892 because, eventuaIIy, we wouId have to see this video. 2127 02:09:36,018 --> 02:09:40,063 And aII of us wouId then have to Iook at this and think, "What the heck is going on here?" 2128 02:09:40,189 --> 02:09:41,481 Which is exactIy what happened. 2129 02:09:42,024 --> 02:09:45,694 MALE REPORTER: The focus, instead, was on the defence's first celebrity witness, 2130 02:09:45,820 --> 02:09:47,988 the actor Macaulay Culkin. 2131 02:09:48,197 --> 02:09:51,700 The prosecution had suggested that in the early 1990s, 2132 02:09:51,868 --> 02:09:55,996 he was one of a number of young boys who'd been sexually abused by Jackson. 2133 02:09:56,080 --> 02:09:58,790 MESEREAU: l have to say, Chris Tucker and Macaulay Culkin 2134 02:09:58,875 --> 02:10:02,210 wiII aIways go down in my book as IoyaI, good friends. 2135 02:10:02,670 --> 02:10:06,673 They had managers and agents and lawyers who didn't want them to get involved, 2136 02:10:06,757 --> 02:10:10,343 and they both told me that, "When Michael needs us, we're gonna be there." 2137 02:10:10,428 --> 02:10:11,553 There were other witnesses, 2138 02:10:11,679 --> 02:10:15,182 peopIe he knew at NeverIand, who came in to teII the truth. 2139 02:10:15,266 --> 02:10:18,560 We had a lot of people that rose to his defence. 2140 02:10:18,728 --> 02:10:22,397 GEST: l stood by him because he was a decent, good man, 2141 02:10:23,858 --> 02:10:26,401 with a warm heart, a Ioving heart. 2142 02:10:32,575 --> 02:10:35,952 The famiIy were extremeIy supportive of MichaeI Jackson throughout this triaI. 2143 02:10:36,078 --> 02:10:37,787 His mother never missed one day. 2144 02:10:37,914 --> 02:10:41,583 The trial lasted almost five months. She never missed a day. 2145 02:10:41,709 --> 02:10:44,044 I knew what MichaeI was going through 2146 02:10:44,462 --> 02:10:47,464 and my heart just bIed for him aII the time. 2147 02:10:48,758 --> 02:10:50,258 TARABORRELLI: The family was there 2148 02:10:50,384 --> 02:10:54,304 and there was this, sort of, sense that it was gonna be okay. 2149 02:10:57,475 --> 02:11:00,560 l remember they showed the Martin Bashir documentary, 2150 02:11:00,645 --> 02:11:02,938 and Michael's music was playing throughout it, 2151 02:11:03,105 --> 02:11:04,689 and I remember Iooking around the courtroom 2152 02:11:04,774 --> 02:11:08,193 and seeing aII these heads bobbing up and down to MichaeI's music. 2153 02:11:08,277 --> 02:11:09,486 And I thought to myseIf, 2154 02:11:09,612 --> 02:11:11,571 "Wow, this is gonna be some crazy moIestation triaI, 2155 02:11:11,656 --> 02:11:15,784 "because everybody here is, sort of, rocking out to Billie Jean. " 2156 02:11:16,244 --> 02:11:17,994 It just seemed very surreaI to me. 2157 02:11:18,788 --> 02:11:21,873 MESEREAU: The prosecution, in my opinion, didn't know what to do 2158 02:11:21,958 --> 02:11:26,878 with the fact that they found 1 0 years' worth of magazines, 2159 02:11:26,963 --> 02:11:31,299 Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, at Neverland, 2160 02:11:31,425 --> 02:11:35,095 which wouId suggest that MichaeI Jackson was heterosexuaI, 2161 02:11:35,179 --> 02:11:38,807 and interested in seeing pictures of beautifuI women who were naked. 2162 02:11:38,975 --> 02:11:43,436 They weren't quite sure how to fit that into their theory that he was a paedophiIe. 2163 02:11:43,521 --> 02:11:48,024 So they came up with the notion that a paedophiIe wiII take magazines Iike this 2164 02:11:48,150 --> 02:11:50,777 to somehow groom the aIIeged victim. 2165 02:11:51,028 --> 02:11:53,572 The district attorney showed so much pornography 2166 02:11:53,656 --> 02:11:58,910 that your head was spinning by the time this was over. 2167 02:11:58,995 --> 02:12:00,662 It was the onIy day that Katherine 2168 02:12:00,788 --> 02:12:03,999 excused herself from the courtroom for the afternoon. 2169 02:12:04,333 --> 02:12:08,169 I thought, they're constantIy fIashing this materiaI at the jury, 2170 02:12:08,296 --> 02:12:11,840 which was a majority of femaIes, by the way, 2171 02:12:11,966 --> 02:12:15,051 I thought just was stupid, but that's what they did. 2172 02:12:15,177 --> 02:12:18,471 They couIdn't find any pornography on his computers. 2173 02:12:18,556 --> 02:12:21,516 They had the FBI test every computer at NeverIand, 2174 02:12:21,642 --> 02:12:24,269 they couIdn't find any kiddie pornography. 2175 02:12:24,353 --> 02:12:26,688 So they just tried to fit everything into their theory 2176 02:12:26,814 --> 02:12:28,523 and it just became an absurdity. 2177 02:12:28,691 --> 02:12:33,153 You just knew that there was reaIIy something devious going on. 2178 02:12:34,864 --> 02:12:38,199 This guy, Tom Sneddon, was really out to get him. 2179 02:12:38,868 --> 02:12:40,785 It had to be totaIIy torture. 2180 02:12:40,870 --> 02:12:44,706 I couIdn't imagine what was going on in his mind and in his head. 2181 02:12:46,709 --> 02:12:48,209 He's not strong in that way, though. 2182 02:12:49,754 --> 02:12:53,673 MESEREAU: The stress and strain of this five-month trial took a toll on him. 2183 02:12:53,758 --> 02:12:57,344 You saw him losing weight, he was having trouble sleeping. 2184 02:12:57,511 --> 02:13:00,180 I wouId taIk to him at 3:00, 4:00, 5:00 in the morning, 2185 02:13:00,264 --> 02:13:01,514 and he wouId be terrified, 2186 02:13:01,599 --> 02:13:03,850 particuIarIy about what might happen to his chiIdren. 2187 02:13:04,101 --> 02:13:07,562 He did need some things to heIp him faII asIeep at night, 2188 02:13:07,688 --> 02:13:12,400 because there was no way he was sIeeping with aII this stuff going on in his head. 2189 02:13:12,735 --> 02:13:14,944 I don't know how anyone couId sIeep. 2190 02:13:16,530 --> 02:13:19,282 GEST: The thought that you might be found guilty 2191 02:13:19,408 --> 02:13:22,952 and spend the rest of your life in a jail cell 2192 02:13:23,120 --> 02:13:26,581 and aII your accompIishments washed down the drain, 2193 02:13:27,750 --> 02:13:29,834 I don't know how he coped. 2194 02:13:29,919 --> 02:13:32,253 Most peopIe wouId've taken a gun to their head. 2195 02:13:32,463 --> 02:13:35,799 His frame of mind was very, very fragiIe, 2196 02:13:36,634 --> 02:13:38,927 and l was concerned for him. 2197 02:13:39,095 --> 02:13:42,514 He was very worried about his children and his mother 2198 02:13:42,598 --> 02:13:44,516 and what people would think. 2199 02:13:44,600 --> 02:13:46,267 TARABORRELLI: The first day of Gavin's testimony, 2200 02:13:46,394 --> 02:13:48,311 Michael shows up and he's in pyjamas, 2201 02:13:48,437 --> 02:13:50,730 and he Iooked Iike he was in reaIIy bad shape. 2202 02:13:50,815 --> 02:13:53,942 And they actuaIIy, they had to, Iike, heIp him into the courtroom. 2203 02:13:54,068 --> 02:13:57,612 From that moment on, everything started to get reaIIy awfuI. 2204 02:13:57,905 --> 02:14:02,117 You started seeing Michael coming in every day, looking like death. 2205 02:14:02,326 --> 02:14:06,287 lt was as if the testimony was just destroying him. 2206 02:14:06,497 --> 02:14:10,959 To sit there in court and watch the IegaI system hurI 2207 02:14:11,085 --> 02:14:17,632 absurd and vindictive and nasty, mean-spirited aIIegations at him Iike this, 2208 02:14:18,467 --> 02:14:20,385 absoIuteIy traumatized him. 2209 02:14:20,636 --> 02:14:24,055 For me, and for other peopIe who actuaIIy knew MichaeI, 2210 02:14:24,140 --> 02:14:27,350 this was a reaI human being, whose Iife was being destroyed, 2211 02:14:27,476 --> 02:14:29,519 and every day it just seemed to get worse. 2212 02:14:31,647 --> 02:14:35,817 5 months after the triaI began the attorneys presented their cIosing arguments. 2213 02:14:41,240 --> 02:14:46,035 On June 1 3th, 2005 after 9 days of deIiberation the jury reached a verdict. 2214 02:14:50,499 --> 02:14:55,336 If found guiIty of aII 1 0 charges MichaeI faced spending the rest of his Iife in prison. 2215 02:15:03,012 --> 02:15:04,679 (CROWD CHEERING) 2216 02:15:06,891 --> 02:15:12,270 One of the sheriffs came to me and said, "You've got the best seat in the house." 2217 02:15:12,605 --> 02:15:16,775 And l said, "Why?" And he said, "Because you're sitting right behind Michael. 2218 02:15:16,859 --> 02:15:18,735 "And when we find him guilty, 2219 02:15:18,861 --> 02:15:23,448 "we're going to get him out of there so fast that your head's gonna spin." 2220 02:15:23,741 --> 02:15:27,035 These peopIe had aIready decided that MichaeI was guiIty. 2221 02:15:27,119 --> 02:15:28,244 And they were sure of it, 2222 02:15:28,370 --> 02:15:31,080 so sure that they had an exit pIan to get him out of there. 2223 02:15:37,880 --> 02:15:42,383 Michael came into the courtroom and he looked like he was on serious drugs. 2224 02:15:42,802 --> 02:15:48,556 He reaIIy, truIy Iooked Iike a dead man waIking. 2225 02:15:51,310 --> 02:15:52,769 MESEREAU: lt was a tense moment, you know, 2226 02:15:52,895 --> 02:15:55,939 the entire worId stopped to watch what was gonna happen 2227 02:15:56,065 --> 02:16:00,401 to the best known ceIebrity, a musicaI genius, MichaeI Jackson. 2228 02:16:00,486 --> 02:16:05,281 That was such an awfuIIy emotionaI day, you just didn't know what to expect. 2229 02:16:18,337 --> 02:16:20,421 WOMAN: We, thejury, in the above entitIed case, 2230 02:16:20,506 --> 02:16:24,092 find the defendant not guilty of conspiracy, 2231 02:16:24,176 --> 02:16:26,928 as charged in count one of the indictment. 2232 02:16:27,012 --> 02:16:28,596 (ALL CHEERING) 2233 02:16:29,765 --> 02:16:34,978 The verdict was read and it was, "Not guiIty. Not guiIty. Not guiIty. Not guiIty." 2234 02:16:35,104 --> 02:16:37,772 AII the way down the Iine, aII counts, "Not guiIty." 2235 02:16:37,940 --> 02:16:44,821 And l remember, very specifically, Michael seeming to not understand. 2236 02:16:44,989 --> 02:16:50,159 And I remember Tom Sneddon Iooking at MichaeI for a reaction 2237 02:16:50,286 --> 02:16:51,536 and not reaIIy getting one. 2238 02:16:51,871 --> 02:16:55,331 And I aIso remember Tom Mesereau, his Iawyer, Ieaning in 2239 02:16:55,457 --> 02:16:59,544 and mouthing to MichaeI Jackson, "You're a free man." 2240 02:16:59,628 --> 02:17:02,463 I couId read his Iips, 'cause I was so cIose. 2241 02:17:02,798 --> 02:17:05,174 And Michael still didn't get it. 2242 02:17:06,802 --> 02:17:08,553 You felt like it was a triumphant moment 2243 02:17:08,637 --> 02:17:12,390 but then when you Iooked at him, you reaIised that he wasn't there for it. 2244 02:17:12,641 --> 02:17:14,475 There was nothing you could do. 2245 02:17:14,643 --> 02:17:17,312 He was so devastated that it had happened 2246 02:17:18,147 --> 02:17:22,525 that you couIdn't even find a pIace to be happy that it ended the way it did 2247 02:17:22,610 --> 02:17:26,112 because it was so devastating that it had occurred at aII. 2248 02:17:31,827 --> 02:17:36,414 It's sad because I reaIIy feeI that triaI 2249 02:17:36,498 --> 02:17:40,460 is what reaIIy depressed my brother out to the point 2250 02:17:40,544 --> 02:17:43,338 where he just wasn't happy. 2251 02:17:43,422 --> 02:17:46,549 He never went back to Neverland. 2252 02:17:47,468 --> 02:17:49,928 For Michael not to go to Neverland, 2253 02:17:50,012 --> 02:17:51,095 he must've been pretty sad. 2254 02:17:51,180 --> 02:17:55,141 Didn't wanna have nothing to do with that pIace ever again. 2255 02:18:00,189 --> 02:18:01,898 He wouId aIways teII me, 2256 02:18:01,982 --> 02:18:04,484 "It's over. I don't trust anyone. 2257 02:18:05,069 --> 02:18:09,155 "I don't know why they're doing this to me. They want me dead." 2258 02:18:09,740 --> 02:18:12,992 He said, "They're gonna kiII me for what I got." 2259 02:18:17,498 --> 02:18:19,207 (CROWD CHEERING) 2260 02:18:24,838 --> 02:18:28,758 I'm pretty sure there was times when he feIt that, you know, 2261 02:18:28,842 --> 02:18:33,846 "I wish I was someone eIse," or, other than an entertainer. 2262 02:18:35,182 --> 02:18:38,142 There's a certain point that you can get to with success 2263 02:18:38,227 --> 02:18:39,268 Smokey Robinson ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 2264 02:18:39,353 --> 02:18:42,313 where you have no Iife whatsoever. 2265 02:18:43,565 --> 02:18:47,402 You lose the ability to be a person. 2266 02:18:47,820 --> 02:18:50,571 To be a person that cannot be a part of the everyday Iife of this worId, 2267 02:18:50,656 --> 02:18:52,073 RusseII Thompkins, Jr. LEAD SINGER, 'THE STYLISTICS' 2268 02:18:53,867 --> 02:18:56,411 it couId reaIIy be devastating on the mind. 2269 02:18:58,122 --> 02:18:59,956 PAYNE: You can't get it all for free. 2270 02:19:00,708 --> 02:19:03,001 And that's what happened with MichaeI, 2271 02:19:03,085 --> 02:19:04,210 Freda Payne SINGER 2272 02:19:04,294 --> 02:19:06,254 he had to give up so much that he Iost his abiIity 2273 02:19:06,338 --> 02:19:09,173 to just walk amongst everyday people. 2274 02:19:09,591 --> 02:19:12,218 This was the first artist that I'd been associated with, 2275 02:19:12,302 --> 02:19:13,344 Kenny GambIe & Leon Huff 2276 02:19:13,429 --> 02:19:14,721 PRODUCERS / SONGWRITERS, PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS 2277 02:19:14,805 --> 02:19:16,097 and the onIy artist that I'd been associated with, 2278 02:19:16,181 --> 02:19:18,558 that you couId not waIk down the street with. 2279 02:19:19,685 --> 02:19:24,647 Look at my Iife. It's somewhat normaI. It's not normaI, but it's a IittIe normaI. 2280 02:19:25,190 --> 02:19:30,403 But judging my Iife to his, his was nowhere cIose. 2281 02:19:30,904 --> 02:19:33,197 He just couIdn't be anonymous. 2282 02:19:33,282 --> 02:19:34,365 ImpossibIe. 2283 02:19:42,458 --> 02:19:44,709 (CROWD CHEERING) 2284 02:19:46,628 --> 02:19:48,421 (FANS SCREAMING) 2285 02:19:48,714 --> 02:19:51,382 MichaeI Jackson is procIaimed the King of Pop. 2286 02:19:51,467 --> 02:19:52,508 Martha Reeves ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 2287 02:19:52,593 --> 02:19:54,427 lt's kind of hard being a king. 2288 02:19:54,511 --> 02:19:56,804 You can get out of sorts. 2289 02:19:58,599 --> 02:20:04,604 I think he, kind of, Iike, isoIated himseIf from everyone who wouId say no. 2290 02:20:06,148 --> 02:20:08,691 BILLY DAVIS JR.: Everything he wants is, "Yes. Okay, Michael." 2291 02:20:09,735 --> 02:20:14,072 It's hard to have someone there 2292 02:20:14,156 --> 02:20:15,406 BiIIy Davis, Jr. SINGER, '5th DIMENSION' 2293 02:20:15,491 --> 02:20:18,159 to give you an honest answer, an honest opinion. 2294 02:20:18,243 --> 02:20:20,703 KATHERINE: Joseph would always tell him, "Michael, watch your people. 2295 02:20:20,788 --> 02:20:21,954 "Michael, watch your people." 2296 02:20:22,039 --> 02:20:25,208 He said, "I trust my peopIe. My peopIe are good peopIe." 2297 02:20:25,334 --> 02:20:28,252 But that's not the case. 2298 02:20:28,337 --> 02:20:29,378 Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER 2299 02:20:29,463 --> 02:20:31,297 PeopIe smiIe in your face, pat you on the back 2300 02:20:31,381 --> 02:20:33,466 and stab you at the same time. 2301 02:20:33,842 --> 02:20:35,593 These peopIe saw money, 2302 02:20:35,677 --> 02:20:36,803 Bobby TayIor ARTIST, GORDY / MOTOWN RECORDS 2303 02:20:36,929 --> 02:20:39,097 and they saw somebody who they couId get to. 2304 02:20:39,431 --> 02:20:43,101 lt was hard for Michael to say no, as a kid and as an adult. 2305 02:20:45,938 --> 02:20:48,898 Because he generated so much weaIth and so much profit, 2306 02:20:48,982 --> 02:20:50,525 Thomas A. Mesereau, Jr. JACKSON'S ATTORNEY, 2005 TRIAL 2307 02:20:50,609 --> 02:20:53,027 he became the repeated target of unsavoury characters, 2308 02:20:53,112 --> 02:20:54,737 many of them mediocre, 2309 02:20:54,822 --> 02:20:58,324 who tried to get near him, promise him the moon 2310 02:20:58,450 --> 02:21:01,702 and then profit themseIves by being around him. 2311 02:21:01,787 --> 02:21:05,623 And I think he received some tremendousIy bad advice throughout his career 2312 02:21:05,707 --> 02:21:07,083 when it came to finances. 2313 02:21:07,334 --> 02:21:10,670 MichaeI was an easy touch, 2314 02:21:10,796 --> 02:21:13,589 and anybody couId take advantage of him 2315 02:21:13,757 --> 02:21:17,718 just because he trusted everybody's word. 2316 02:21:18,387 --> 02:21:22,098 MichaeI wouId bring random peopIe into his Iife for business deaIs. 2317 02:21:22,182 --> 02:21:25,935 They wouId offer him the worId and MichaeI wouId beIieve them. 2318 02:21:26,895 --> 02:21:30,857 Michael told me he only committed to 10 shows at the O2 dome 2319 02:21:30,941 --> 02:21:32,483 for his comeback concerts. 2320 02:21:32,693 --> 02:21:35,695 When he found out that he was committed to 50 shows 2321 02:21:35,779 --> 02:21:38,656 and there was no way of getting out of it, 2322 02:21:38,740 --> 02:21:39,782 he snapped. 2323 02:21:40,075 --> 02:21:44,203 He felt like they'd tricked him, he was put up against the wall 2324 02:21:44,913 --> 02:21:48,541 and let down by people, or misled, l should say. 2325 02:21:50,544 --> 02:21:54,672 It was thrown on him by his manager 2326 02:21:55,215 --> 02:22:00,428 and, in his state of mind, he couId've said yes to anything. 2327 02:22:00,596 --> 02:22:03,014 After I heard that he was doing those many shows, 2328 02:22:03,098 --> 02:22:04,515 I started caIIing him, teIIing him... 2329 02:22:04,641 --> 02:22:07,310 Then I heard how they were gonna do 'em every other day, 2330 02:22:07,394 --> 02:22:11,147 and I toId him he couIdn't do it that way. He had to rest. 2331 02:22:11,231 --> 02:22:12,899 And I kept after them. 2332 02:22:16,945 --> 02:22:18,779 DILEO: The wear and tear 2333 02:22:19,239 --> 02:22:20,948 of all the managers, 2334 02:22:21,366 --> 02:22:24,493 aII the promises that they didn't Iive up to, 2335 02:22:24,661 --> 02:22:26,037 took its toII. 2336 02:22:26,997 --> 02:22:31,584 ProbabIy, a more stronger person wouId be abIe to fight through a Iot of that, 2337 02:22:31,668 --> 02:22:33,211 and a Iot of them have. 2338 02:22:33,462 --> 02:22:36,672 Frank Sinatra, he was pursued the same way, 2339 02:22:37,049 --> 02:22:39,967 but he seemed to be a person who couId put peopIe at bay. 2340 02:22:40,260 --> 02:22:44,138 But it seemed like Michael has a certain type of frailty to his self 2341 02:22:44,389 --> 02:22:48,059 and it wouIdn't aIIow him to be very strong-minded 2342 02:22:48,143 --> 02:22:50,937 or to be forcefuI with a Iot of peopIe. 2343 02:22:51,146 --> 02:22:54,357 KATHERINE: Everybody he met, he trusted them, for some reason. 2344 02:22:55,317 --> 02:23:01,614 And I think that's why MichaeI was taken advantage of so much. 2345 02:23:06,119 --> 02:23:08,162 Doctors are human beings, too, 2346 02:23:08,247 --> 02:23:10,122 and they get star-struck, 2347 02:23:10,207 --> 02:23:13,709 and they want a IittIe touch of that fame, 2348 02:23:13,794 --> 02:23:17,880 and they wanna be abIe to say, "I'm MichaeI Jackson's doctor." 2349 02:23:18,924 --> 02:23:22,009 MichaeI wouId doctor shop, Iike a Iot of ceIebrities do, 2350 02:23:22,094 --> 02:23:24,512 and he'd find the doctor, 2351 02:23:24,638 --> 02:23:29,016 just the right one, who would do the thing that Michael wanted him to do. 2352 02:23:29,101 --> 02:23:32,687 MichaeI feIt that he needed to escape, 2353 02:23:33,021 --> 02:23:36,524 and he had aIways been suffering from insomnia, 2354 02:23:36,650 --> 02:23:39,193 from as far back as I can remember. 2355 02:23:39,486 --> 02:23:41,529 CASCIO: Michael Jackson did have a problem. 2356 02:23:41,613 --> 02:23:43,531 Do I beIieve he was an addict? 2357 02:23:43,657 --> 02:23:46,784 No, I don't beIieve MichaeI Jackson was a drug addict. 2358 02:23:47,619 --> 02:23:49,495 He went through cycles. 2359 02:23:49,955 --> 02:23:54,875 It reaIIy depended on what was happening in his Iife and in his worId. 2360 02:23:55,127 --> 02:23:58,838 KATHERINE: l had no reason to think or believe that he was on drugs 2361 02:23:58,964 --> 02:24:02,049 untiI my chiIdren came to me one time and they said it, 2362 02:24:02,134 --> 02:24:05,052 and I said, "WeII, I've never seen him in that shape." 2363 02:24:05,137 --> 02:24:08,055 Then l went to him and I taIked to him about it, 2364 02:24:08,181 --> 02:24:10,182 and he kept denying it. 2365 02:24:13,395 --> 02:24:17,356 DILEO: l asked him, l said, "Now, Michael, is there any problems l should know about?" 2366 02:24:18,066 --> 02:24:19,358 "What do you mean?" 2367 02:24:19,484 --> 02:24:23,154 I said, "WeII, you know, once in a whiIe you seem a IittIe dizzy. 2368 02:24:23,238 --> 02:24:24,488 "You wanna go to rehab?" 2369 02:24:24,740 --> 02:24:29,660 "No. No! There you go. See? Now, why wouId you assume that? 2370 02:24:29,745 --> 02:24:33,539 "I'm not taking anything, Frank. I'm not doing one thing." 2371 02:24:34,416 --> 02:24:36,000 TARABORRELLI: One ofthe people working for him said, 2372 02:24:36,084 --> 02:24:39,420 "You won't ever guess what this man is doing to get to sleep." 2373 02:24:39,504 --> 02:24:40,588 And I said, "What?" 2374 02:24:40,672 --> 02:24:43,007 And I was toId he's using an anaesthetic. 2375 02:24:43,091 --> 02:24:45,176 And I said, "What? 2376 02:24:45,677 --> 02:24:49,430 "How do you do that?" I had never heard of such a thing. 2377 02:24:49,598 --> 02:24:54,435 He said, "Dude, I don't know what to teII you, but that's what's going on." 2378 02:24:54,686 --> 02:25:00,191 UnfortunateIy, he did find doctors who were wiIIing to do this crazy thing 2379 02:25:00,275 --> 02:25:02,860 that uItimateIy Ied to his death. 2380 02:25:03,904 --> 02:25:06,280 Fire Paramedic 33. What is the nature of your emergency? 2381 02:25:06,406 --> 02:25:10,242 ALVAREZ: We have a gentleman here that needs help, he's not breathing. 2382 02:25:10,619 --> 02:25:13,412 NEWSCASTER: We have breaking news for you tonight, 2383 02:25:14,414 --> 02:25:19,043 the singer Michael Jackson is reported to have died from a heart attack. 2384 02:25:27,427 --> 02:25:31,138 I heard that my brother had passed away through my sister Janet, 2385 02:25:31,223 --> 02:25:32,306 Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER 2386 02:25:32,391 --> 02:25:35,643 who asked me to puII over 'cause I was rushing over to my mom's. 2387 02:25:37,229 --> 02:25:38,979 l just couldn't believe it. 2388 02:25:40,482 --> 02:25:45,653 So, I had to just sit in my car and puII myseIf together, 2389 02:25:45,946 --> 02:25:47,905 you know, and I went over to my mom's home. 2390 02:25:50,409 --> 02:25:53,327 The entire family had met that evening, 2391 02:25:53,412 --> 02:25:58,582 and was there condoIing each other, you know. 2392 02:26:01,002 --> 02:26:02,336 It was rough. 2393 02:26:02,421 --> 02:26:04,839 Just the whoIe time was a rough time in my Iife. 2394 02:26:05,590 --> 02:26:08,175 Rebbie Jackson MICHAEL'S SISTER 2395 02:26:08,260 --> 02:26:11,846 It's so very difficuIt even to taIk about it. It reaIIy is. 2396 02:26:20,272 --> 02:26:22,022 PAYNE: l was heartbroken. 2397 02:26:22,983 --> 02:26:25,359 I was just totaIIy heartbroken. 2398 02:26:26,611 --> 02:26:31,866 It was probabIy one of the most surreaI 2399 02:26:31,950 --> 02:26:32,992 Peabo Bryson SINGER 2400 02:26:33,160 --> 02:26:39,707 and soIemn days of Iife as we know it, I wouId think. 2401 02:26:45,213 --> 02:26:47,673 I was devastated. I started to cry. 2402 02:26:47,757 --> 02:26:48,841 David Gest MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND 2403 02:26:49,718 --> 02:26:56,015 We had spent 40 years of our lives as the closest of friends. 2404 02:26:57,350 --> 02:26:59,435 And l couldn't believe it. 2405 02:26:59,853 --> 02:27:02,813 I remember the feeIing I got, you know. 2406 02:27:02,898 --> 02:27:04,106 Lamont Dozier SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND 2407 02:27:04,232 --> 02:27:06,901 It was Iike somebody punching you in the stomach. 2408 02:27:07,235 --> 02:27:09,278 God, it was just so... 2409 02:27:17,078 --> 02:27:19,413 EDDIE FLOYD: l didn't follow the news a lot. 2410 02:27:20,081 --> 02:27:22,416 I'II teII you why I didn't foIIow the news. 2411 02:27:22,542 --> 02:27:23,542 Eddie FIoyd SINGER / SONGWRITER, STAX RECORDS 2412 02:27:23,627 --> 02:27:29,632 It's because of the peopIe expIoiting the man. 2413 02:27:33,970 --> 02:27:35,638 That makes me sad. 2414 02:27:38,308 --> 02:27:40,643 EDWARDS: The night that Michael died, 2415 02:27:40,769 --> 02:27:42,978 the next show I did, I mentioned MichaeI, too. 2416 02:27:43,104 --> 02:27:44,104 Dennis Edwards LEAD SINGER, 'THE TEMPTATIONS' 2417 02:27:44,231 --> 02:27:45,981 It just was... 2418 02:27:46,107 --> 02:27:48,359 PeopIe just stood up, you know. They stood up. 2419 02:27:48,443 --> 02:27:51,445 And a lot of people took their cigarette lighters out 2420 02:27:51,571 --> 02:27:52,947 and just lit it. 2421 02:27:53,323 --> 02:27:56,825 You know, it's just sad, man. It's sad. 2422 02:28:04,751 --> 02:28:06,627 TITO: lt's just a sad moment, 2423 02:28:06,753 --> 02:28:11,131 to have to carry one of your brothers to his grave. 2424 02:28:11,800 --> 02:28:16,345 MICHAEL: We would perform all night, tell you the truth, every day. 2425 02:28:16,638 --> 02:28:18,931 It's not a good feeIing. 2426 02:28:19,015 --> 02:28:22,142 It's a major part of you died with that. 2427 02:28:24,771 --> 02:28:26,981 MICHAEL: And there was this man's house, who used to sell candy, 2428 02:28:27,107 --> 02:28:31,318 we used to stop there and just load up, eat candy for days. 2429 02:28:32,946 --> 02:28:34,822 KATHERINE: l neverlost a child. 2430 02:28:36,783 --> 02:28:41,036 ChiIdren are supposed to bury their parents, not parents bury their chiIdren. 2431 02:28:41,663 --> 02:28:44,164 And that's what hurt me the most. 2432 02:28:59,723 --> 02:29:04,518 Many days, I go back to his first cry, 2433 02:29:04,644 --> 02:29:07,813 from the doctor sIapping him on his butt, 2434 02:29:07,897 --> 02:29:09,023 up till his death. 2435 02:29:10,400 --> 02:29:11,483 But 2436 02:29:16,698 --> 02:29:22,703 aII the memories of MichaeI are fond to me. I can't pick out any particuIar. 2437 02:29:31,212 --> 02:29:33,714 l'm happy with the children here, 2438 02:29:33,882 --> 02:29:37,718 and at the same time, l'm sad because their father's gone. 2439 02:29:38,219 --> 02:29:41,555 They always say, "Daddy did it this way. 2440 02:29:41,723 --> 02:29:44,892 "Daddy used to do this. Daddy used to do that." 2441 02:29:47,020 --> 02:29:50,064 Those kids are so proud of their father. 2442 02:29:52,275 --> 02:29:54,234 I can't find words. 2443 02:29:57,906 --> 02:30:00,407 To me, it's just such a Ioss, too soon. 2444 02:30:00,533 --> 02:30:01,742 Eddie HoIIand SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND 2445 02:30:04,204 --> 02:30:05,579 It Ieft such a gap and made us see what was missing. 2446 02:30:05,705 --> 02:30:06,705 VaIerie Simpson & NickoIas Ashford 2447 02:30:06,790 --> 02:30:07,831 SINGERS / SONGWRITERS, 'ASHFORD & SIMPSON' 2448 02:30:07,916 --> 02:30:10,334 Why hadn't we embraced him? Why hadn't we Ioved him? 2449 02:30:10,418 --> 02:30:13,087 PAYNE: He gave us so much love 2450 02:30:13,880 --> 02:30:16,131 and so much wonderfuI music. 2451 02:30:16,925 --> 02:30:20,427 And I think that this is what we'II aIways remember him for. 2452 02:30:23,306 --> 02:30:26,725 I Iove the fact that everything he sang, he sang from his heart. 2453 02:30:26,810 --> 02:30:30,771 And I Iove Iistening to him singing, every record he's ever recorded. 2454 02:30:32,315 --> 02:30:37,277 MichaeI's Iegacy is that he wiII be known as the greatest entertainer ever. 2455 02:30:38,530 --> 02:30:39,697 ROBINSON: Michael was a great talent. 2456 02:30:39,781 --> 02:30:42,991 He was the best overaII taIent that I've ever seen in my Iife, 2457 02:30:43,118 --> 02:30:45,285 and I've been foIIowing taIent since I was three years oId. 2458 02:30:47,288 --> 02:30:48,664 He was the best I ever saw. 2459 02:30:51,459 --> 02:30:55,337 I'II remember that IittIe boy that I met when he was 1 0 years oId, 2460 02:30:55,463 --> 02:30:56,463 Dionne Warwick SINGER 2461 02:30:56,548 --> 02:31:02,511 that IittIe feisty, cute, incredibIy taIented youngster, 2462 02:31:03,179 --> 02:31:08,976 that went on to become one of the greatest entertainers that ever Iived. 2463 02:31:10,478 --> 02:31:12,146 There's onIy one MichaeI Jackson. 2464 02:31:14,983 --> 02:31:17,568 To me and my chiIdren, 2465 02:31:17,652 --> 02:31:18,736 Percy SIedge SINGER 2466 02:31:18,820 --> 02:31:20,487 he meant so much to our Iives. 2467 02:31:22,323 --> 02:31:25,826 He was, to me, the greatest entertainer I had ever seen in my Iife. 2468 02:31:25,910 --> 02:31:27,161 Whitney Houston SINGER 2469 02:31:27,245 --> 02:31:30,164 He was a gentleman and he was very kind. 2470 02:31:30,874 --> 02:31:33,333 And I'II aIways Iove him, aIways. 2471 02:31:35,670 --> 02:31:37,796 REBBIE: He was one ofthe warmest 2472 02:31:37,881 --> 02:31:41,425 and most IoveabIe persons you couId ever meet. 2473 02:31:43,845 --> 02:31:47,431 I think MichaeI's greatest achievement, throughout his Iife, 2474 02:31:48,558 --> 02:31:50,642 was making peopIe happy, 2475 02:31:50,727 --> 02:31:52,352 heIping peopIe. 2476 02:31:52,437 --> 02:31:57,232 If somebody needed an operation, or a famiIy starving that needed food, 2477 02:31:57,358 --> 02:32:00,569 he wouId send over groceries for a year and things Iike that. 2478 02:32:00,904 --> 02:32:03,739 I think that's where he reaIIy got his enjoyment, 2479 02:32:03,948 --> 02:32:07,951 seeing somebody sad become happy. 2480 02:32:08,077 --> 02:32:12,289 Those are the things he reaIIy wanted to achieve that was beyond the music. 2481 02:32:13,291 --> 02:32:18,378 We wiII remember him as this great showman and humanitarian. 2482 02:32:24,135 --> 02:32:25,302 When peopIe say to me, 2483 02:32:25,386 --> 02:32:27,346 "Do you think of MichaeI as being a tragedy?" 2484 02:32:27,430 --> 02:32:29,223 I just don't think of that at aII. 2485 02:32:29,307 --> 02:32:32,559 I think that MichaeI's story is one of triumph. 2486 02:32:33,770 --> 02:32:38,106 This is a man who was the totaI embodiment of the American dream. 2487 02:32:38,233 --> 02:32:43,403 This is a guy who came out of Gary, Indiana, and set the worId on fire. 2488 02:32:43,613 --> 02:32:45,405 He did amazing things with his life. 2489 02:32:45,615 --> 02:32:47,324 Did he make mistakes? Yes. 2490 02:32:47,450 --> 02:32:50,994 But that's the humanity of MichaeI Jackson, I think, that's most appeaIing. 2491 02:32:51,412 --> 02:32:53,997 DOZIER: He wanted to make the world a better place. 2492 02:32:54,332 --> 02:32:57,501 That spirit of his is stiII around now. 2493 02:32:58,086 --> 02:33:03,131 The part that I Ioved the most about him was that gentIe friend side. 2494 02:33:03,424 --> 02:33:05,843 All the other things, everybody knows about. 2495 02:33:06,010 --> 02:33:08,679 But that part of MichaeI, that's the part I Iove. 2496 02:33:09,264 --> 02:33:10,764 God bIess MichaeI Jackson, you know, 'cause he was one of the greatest. 2497 02:33:10,932 --> 02:33:11,932 Kenny GambIe & Leon Huff 2498 02:33:12,016 --> 02:33:13,183 PRODUCERS / SONGWRITERS, PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS 2499 02:33:15,270 --> 02:33:20,858 MichaeI Jackson became the biggest pop star of aII time 2500 02:33:21,776 --> 02:33:24,778 but that's not how l'm gonna remember him, 2501 02:33:24,946 --> 02:33:28,198 because he was just one great human being. 2502 02:33:29,993 --> 02:33:33,120 Rest well, my friend. l love you, M. 2503 02:33:34,455 --> 02:33:39,960 Katherine, how do you feeI MichaeI Jackson wiII be remembered? 2504 02:33:41,129 --> 02:33:45,966 WeII, David, MichaeI practised one thing, and it was from his heart, 2505 02:33:46,801 --> 02:33:48,969 L-O-V-E, Iove. 2506 02:33:49,846 --> 02:33:54,182 And I think he wiII be remembered for the Iove that he had for the worId, 2507 02:33:54,309 --> 02:33:55,976 and especiaIIy for his fans, 2508 02:33:56,728 --> 02:33:58,478 and his famiIy. 2509 02:33:59,022 --> 02:34:00,689 -Thank you so much. -Okay. 2510 02:34:00,815 --> 02:34:03,901 -I Iove you. Can I have a big hug? -Of course. 208276

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