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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,200 This programme contains strong language. 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,360 # Substitute your lies for fact...# 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:17,960 # I can see for miles and miles I can see for miles and miles...# 4 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,760 The Who started as a band with four very different individuals 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,880 with very, very different needs. 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,640 Got a few hits, 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,000 managed to pull off Tommy, 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:39,480 managed to pull off some kind of amazing live stage energy. 9 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:40,880 APPLAUSE AND CHEERING 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,720 # Touch me...# 11 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,960 'A special TUC conference in London has voted...' 12 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,160 'New challenges and burdens created by the oil crisis...' 13 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:54,680 'As the gas situation gets worse...' 14 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,280 'The miners need some inducement to come to talks...' 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,600 'I think the three-day week should be called off at once.' 16 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,160 'Ten years on from The Who's first successes comes the release 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,400 'this weekend of a new double album that could be a step on, 18 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,280 'even from Tommy, Quadrophenia.' 19 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,360 # Love... 20 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,920 # Reign on me...# 21 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,760 When we got to Quadrophenia, talking 1973, 22 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,120 something strange was happening to the internal politics of the band. 23 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:32,000 It was quite clear that Keith Moon was certifiably insane 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,440 and that if he hadn't had a drum kit to play with, he probably would have ended up in jail. 25 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:41,520 John Entwistle simply wasn't happy because he was a songwriter, 26 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,440 and it seemed as though for him, the band had come all about me and my ideas. 27 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,880 Roger wanted something which meant he could swing his hair and looked glamorous 28 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,800 and take his chest off and be a superstar. 29 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:01,040 I had difficulties as well. Lifehouse, which followed Tommy, failed. 30 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,320 The accusation was, "You failed with your big idea 31 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,200 "because you're an arty-farty pretentious twat." 32 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,800 It felt, to me, as though we were drifting apart. 33 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:15,880 So my first mission, my first part of the brief that 34 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:20,880 I gave myself was replace Tommy as a performing vehicle, that was it. 35 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:27,720 # I don't mind other guys dancing with my girl 36 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,680 # That's fine 37 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,640 # I know them all pretty well...# 38 00:02:33,640 --> 00:02:36,560 # Is it me for a moment... 39 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,520 # For a moment, for a moment... # 40 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:45,960 So my story was, I'd bought this riverside property out... 41 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,080 It's actually in a place called Cleeve on the River Thames. 42 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,600 One day I got this call 43 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,640 about Eric who was wallowing 44 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:59,560 down in his house in the country, 45 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,160 and would I go down and see Eric? 46 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,080 Eric had done an album and ended up as a heroin user. 47 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,840 I remember going down and seeing him. He was very courteous, very kind, very dignified, very loving, 48 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,960 very friendly as he always was to me. 49 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,760 But I was affected by it. 50 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,000 I start to think about how we can... 51 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,960 ..Not rescue Eric, but just to kind of stimulate him. 52 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,000 I turned to a couple of my mates, Ronnie Wood, Stevie Winwood 53 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,000 and we came here, to this house, to rehearse. 54 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,560 And we were in the room over there and we all gathered together. 55 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,800 I was nodding off and Rick the bass player said, "Try this." I said, "What is it?" 56 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,240 He said it is a kind of a popper thing, 57 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,080 he said, it wakes you up, and it was amyl nitrate. 58 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,840 And I took it and I went, "Oh, that's fun, a bit of a buzz," 59 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,600 and then played. I did not get stuck on it but I used it quite a bit. 60 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,640 Once the concert with Eric in January 1973 was over, I suppose 61 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,800 I must have had some sort of come down from the lack of amyl nitrate. 62 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,600 On a dark, wet winter weekend at the cottage at Cleeve, 63 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,080 with the river running faster than usual, 64 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,280 I had a flashback to when I was 19 years old. 65 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,680 The Who had just played this amazing gig at the Aquarium Ballroom 66 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,280 in Brighton and I was with my art school friend Des Reed. 67 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,760 After the gig we missed the train home. 68 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,680 So we hung out and we went down under the pier 69 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,000 and there were all these boys in parkas 70 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,440 with the fucking tide coming up around their feet. 71 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,440 They didn't seem to understand that they were going to drown! 72 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,320 Under the pier, I was coming down from taking purple hearts, 73 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,480 the fashionable uppers of the period. 74 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,320 Sitting there at Cleeve, that day nine years later, 75 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,160 that same feeling came flooding back of feeling depressed, 76 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,680 lost and hopeless and I grabbed a notebook. 77 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,400 Quickly when I was still in this sad and lonely mood, 78 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:08,280 I scribbled out the story that is on the inside sleeve of the original album of Quadrophenia. 79 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:10,880 This was the story of a mod called Jimmy. 80 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:17,880 Jimmy was a normal boy, with normal needs, passing through the normal 81 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,120 things of childhood, but what made everything so much more complicated 82 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:26,200 for him was he had a bipolar problem, he was schizophrenic. 83 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:31,440 I think that Jimmy is meant to be, instead of schizophrenic, 84 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:36,160 he is meant to be quadrophrenic, and that is the original concept, 85 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,160 to have Jimmy have these four personalities. 86 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,520 So Quadrophenia was a double-album, 87 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,680 in the old days of vinyl that meant you had two 12 inch vinyl discs. 88 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,600 And it's that difficult, dodgy '70s thing, the concept album. 89 00:05:54,600 --> 00:06:00,120 A sensitive story of a mod on a journey of self-discovery, 90 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:05,000 but played by The Who - tough, muscular, physical, a man's band. 91 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,720 What I know is that I'm going to be on a stage 92 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,280 with a bunch of yobbos with an electric guitar. 93 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:19,200 I'm going to have to turn it up, I'm going to have to jump up and down, 94 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,880 I'm going to have to tell them to fuck off and shut up. 95 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,400 This is Pete, the writer, trying to serve Keith and John and Roger, 96 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,640 giving them really stimulating, useful 97 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,800 fucking stuff that they can express their stage personalities through. 98 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,120 The Who's sound has got those warring elements in it. 99 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,160 On the one hand they are a street fighting band, doing all that physical, 100 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,160 visceral side on the one hand, 101 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,000 on the other hand that spiritual, whimsical, 102 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,680 melancholic lyrical side and banging them together, often in one song. 103 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,640 This bit of paper is kind of, on the top line you've got me, 104 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,600 Roger, John, Keith. 105 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,880 The next line is good, bad, romance. 106 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,360 They are joined together with the word sex, insanity. 107 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,240 The idea that each of these themes would produce songs. 108 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,880 In actual fact, this is just a musical blueprint for what 109 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,000 I wanted to do. 110 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,360 Pete, you know, is working very hard. 111 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,000 I don't know quite what on but... 112 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,360 You know, I think it'll be good. 113 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,520 The trouble is with Pete, working with him, 114 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,640 he had these wonderful little kernels of ideas 115 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,240 but then he would want to pitch them and make them into stories. 116 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,080 But we got the essence of it. 117 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,880 This guy's got all the personalities of every member in the band 118 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,080 and it's just one guy. 119 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,200 And that was enough for me to say, "Great idea, let's go for it." 120 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,640 This is how the album starts, OK. 121 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:56,640 WAVES CRASH 122 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,080 No other Who album starts with ambient noise. 123 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:08,720 And it very specifically is putting you in a place, 124 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,920 it sets a scene, which none of the other Who albums did. 125 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,640 Once we had the sea noise going, 126 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,520 we just introduced each theme of the four themes. 127 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,760 The first thing you hear is I Am The Sea, 128 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,760 the breathy sound of, "I am the sea." 129 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,520 And do-dee-do-do-do, which is the Helpless Dancer. 130 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,960 Then you hear, is it me for a moment, which is the romantic side 131 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,040 and so on. 132 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:54,080 # Is it me, for a moment For a moment, for a moment...# 133 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,760 Instead of having a straight overture, 134 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,320 you get pieces of the songs and it comes back as memories. 135 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,120 # Bellboy, bellboy...# 136 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,240 You're automatically put on that rock. 137 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:19,520 # Love... 138 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,240 # Reign o'er me. # 139 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,880 And you hear the themes and then bang into the first track which is, 140 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,120 Can You See The Real Me? 141 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:34,000 # Can you see the real me, can ya? Can ya? # 142 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,680 He's at the doctor, he's going to the shrink, 143 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:54,520 he's going to the priest, he's going to his mother for advice, 144 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,880 and I wanted to establish very, very quickly 145 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:04,720 that this is not just a troubled boy, this is a boy that has mental illness. 146 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,320 He's bipolar or he's manic-depressive. 147 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:14,760 And this idea of him being, you know, doubly schizophrenic. 148 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,800 # I went back to my mother 149 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,800 # I said, I'm crazy, ma, help me 150 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,240 # She said, I know how it feels, son 151 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,160 # Cos it runs in the family 152 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:38,160 # Can you see the real me, mother, mother? 153 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,760 # Can you see the real me, mother 154 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,600 # Whoa, Mama... # 155 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,360 Once you hear that track, 156 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,800 you know that this is going to be the revelation of a condition. 157 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,640 Jimmy gets up in the morning, goes to see his shrink, 158 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,480 goes to see his priest because his mum is a deep, dark Catholic. 159 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,240 Goes to look up at this girl's bedroom that he's in love with 160 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:04,240 who won't shag him. 161 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,560 # The cracks between the paving stones 162 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:09,720 # Like rivers of flowing veins... # 163 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,320 You're going right inside the boy's head. You know where you are, 164 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,160 you've come from the peace of the sea, 165 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,200 and the idea that this is a little bit of this, 166 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,720 and a little bit of that and then, bang, you're into the action. 167 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,200 # Lives in this yellow house 168 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:25,960 # Yesterday she passed me by 169 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,480 # She doesn't want to know me now... # 170 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,240 When I first heard it, a friend of mine had it and they had 171 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,120 the gatefold sleeve and everything and I loved it, but it was 172 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,960 quite costly, so they recorded it for me on what was back then a C90. 173 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,040 I remember for ages thinking that he'd started on side two 174 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,640 because it begins with "I went back to the doctor." 175 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,680 It's like you've jumped right into the middle of the stream, 176 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:52,640 you've come right into the middle of the ride, 177 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,960 come right into the middle of a rush, and that is brilliant. 178 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:01,680 # Can you see the real me, mother? 179 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:04,160 # Can you see the real me, me, me, me, me, 180 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:09,600 me, me, me, me, me m-m-me....# 181 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,920 1, 2, 3, 4... 182 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:21,120 Pete decided that as part of the album, he'd have this lavish, 183 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:26,080 very generous big photo book to illustrate the story and also, 184 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,720 the other thing is I think he thought it would help explain 185 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,960 the story, particularly to the Americans who didn't understand it. 186 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:37,600 Ethan Russell's photos put you in that place. 187 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,080 As an American, you were able to understand 188 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,160 because you were able to see it, you were able to see his room, 189 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:49,400 you saw the life and it told you the story better than a movie, 190 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,640 better than a video. It's all there. 191 00:12:55,200 --> 00:13:00,200 The first cover I did for The Who was the album Who's Next, here. 192 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,200 I was back in the United States. I got a call from Pete. 193 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,320 He was pretty stressed already because he'd been 194 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,400 working on this forever and you could feel this tremendous 195 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,640 energy of him sort of wanting to birth this thing, you know. 196 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,280 So he played me the material and he told me the story. 197 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:25,560 And we went out to try and sort of build that world. 198 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,440 We're here in Battersea in the Patmore Estate. 199 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,120 My sister Maxine and I used to live across the road here, 200 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,400 in this block of flats here. 201 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,240 Our foster sister Jane used to live in this block of flats here 202 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:42,680 and the three of us used to hang out, 203 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:46,240 generally around on that corner block there. 204 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,160 Along here, which used to be a church hall, 205 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,360 became Ramport Studios which was owned by The Who, 206 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:53,800 back in the early '70s. 207 00:13:57,560 --> 00:14:02,080 This is myself here. I would have been just coming up to 15. 208 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,000 That was an original mod outfit. 209 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,440 I had my hair cut very short and cropped and black eyeliner, 210 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,280 which you can't see through the black and white picture. 211 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:12,800 That's me. 212 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:18,000 And I've got on a pencil skirt, a pinstripe pencil skirt, 213 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:23,040 Hush Puppy shoes and a navy blue twinset, 214 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,320 little jumper underneath, a cardigan and like Julie, 215 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,680 my hair cut very short, mod-style haircut. 216 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,840 The girls came up, too young to go in the pub 217 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:40,120 but they knew that I was looking for someone to play Jimmy. 218 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,320 Chad was one of the local guys that lived near the pub. 219 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,080 We thought he had the look for the main character of Quadrophenia 220 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,680 so we introduced him to Georgiana. 221 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,720 I saw the attitude. 222 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:58,200 I saw the class and the attitude and the sort of, you know.. 223 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,800 ..his wheels were spinning a bit, you know. 224 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,760 And he was the real thing. He had love-hate tattooed on his hands. 225 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,760 Pretty early on in life for that, you know. 226 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,720 He was often in bed. 227 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,480 They would have to go and get him up at the flats, I remember that. 228 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,080 Because he'd had too much to drink, or maybe drugs, 229 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,320 I don't know what, I won't swear that either, 230 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,040 but he was often not on location when he was supposed to be. 231 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,800 About two thirds through the shoot Chad came up to me and says, 232 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,080 "I've got to go to court." 233 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,520 I said what have you got to go to court for? He said, "I stole a bus." 234 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,960 And I said, "You stole a bus?" And he said "Yes, I stole a bus." 235 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,480 I said, "OK." 236 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,800 He walks up to the judge and the judge says, "What did you do?" 237 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,000 He said, "I took her for a drive." I can't do the accent. 238 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,160 He said, "what are you doing now?" He says, "I'm a male model." 239 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,880 And I'm sitting in the back, and he says, "Who do work for?" "I work for The 'Oo." 240 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,680 And the judge turns to me and says, "Is this true?" And I said, "Yes." 241 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:01,280 He says, "You need him?" And I said, "Yes, absolutely I need him." So he let him off. 242 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:34,120 Pete always had this thing about mods, even before they were mods. 243 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,560 I like to be subsumed in a gang. 244 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,480 And so I love that feeling of being safe in the mod movement. 245 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:46,440 I felt safer in a gang of mods than I did in the band, I can tell you that! 246 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,960 There was this hierarchical structure. 247 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,200 At the top you would have these top faces. 248 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,640 These were the mods that really looked really smart 249 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,400 and seemed to be able to afford new suits a lot. 250 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,120 There were the numbers and there was tickets. 251 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,000 The tickets were the little kids. 252 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,600 The one that I came across was Seven And Sixers, 253 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,160 and I never knew why they were called Seven And Sixers and it was cos 254 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,280 the T-shirts they wore were seven and six in Woolworths. 255 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,600 What will the well-dressed mod be wearing this Whit weekend? 256 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,840 I will be wearing white hipster slacks or blue hipster slacks 257 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:28,520 with either a cycling shirt, a zip here and stripes across there, 258 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,560 mainly with white ground or a blue ground. 259 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:36,440 Or a T-shirt with a large emblem on the front or back. 260 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,080 Roger talks about the mod movement only happening 261 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:44,160 because in those days, '62, '63, '64, a young man could get a job. 262 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:49,120 We were the first generation to have money and creative energy because 263 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:54,360 previous to that everybody had been slaving to pay the bloody bills. 264 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:56,560 And living on the ration book. 265 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:00,640 To be a face, you had to go out to work. You couldn't be a face 266 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:06,000 if you're a school kid because you didn't have enough money to buy 267 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:11,800 the scooter, to pay for the petrol to pay for the girlfriends and the burgers and the drinks. 268 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,640 The mods were hard-working youngsters 269 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,880 and it was all about spending your money on clothes. 270 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,360 ARCHIVE: A new booming outfitting business both meets and creates 271 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:28,240 the mod demand for elegance in a young man. 272 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,480 This shop now has 18 branches in London 273 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,720 and a turnover of half a million a year. 274 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:39,600 They'd see Italian students and kids over here on holiday 275 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,480 in central London and were admiring their clothes 276 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,960 and saying, "Look at the cut on their clothes." Stuff that we didn't have. 277 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,920 I don't like red on you anyway. 278 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:55,480 From all these different elements emerged this sort of movement 279 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,480 with its strict rules that were never written down 280 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,200 but they seemed to understand them. 281 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,560 That's a very mod neck. 282 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,000 That rollneck's all right, a suede front, it's different. 283 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,680 That's true, yeah. This is great, I like this. It's fabulous. 284 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,280 If I left a deposit for that, John, can I come back next week? 285 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,480 Yeah, certainly. Is that OK? 286 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,520 That's not yours, my love. 287 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,560 If you saw a teddy boy, you'd know he was a teddy boy 288 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,840 but if you saw a mod, your mods could work in an advertising agency, 289 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,400 no-one would know they were mods. They just looked like a neat kid. 290 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,400 But to other mods, they gave all the signals. 291 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,120 Maybe a slightly effeminate kid 292 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:43,600 and that's where I thought the real courage came. 293 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,440 They used to do their own sewing and stuff. 294 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:51,320 These great big guys would say, "I'll take in those trousers!" 295 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:56,680 Roger made drainpipes and put the zips in himself! 296 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,040 He put zips in drainpipes! 297 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,960 It was perfect because for the first time in generations 298 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,960 you dressed as you wanted to 299 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:10,360 and at work you probably were a shipping clerk or a filing clerk. 300 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:12,520 You were management material. 301 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,480 And you got, "Oh, he's a very tidy young man, 302 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,680 "he's going up the ladder, mate." 303 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,840 Mods had real strict taste rules 304 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,640 and it was difficult to know what was in, and what was out. 305 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,840 I remember people talking about the way to stand outside 306 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:32,360 the Scene Club, you had to stand with your hand in your pocket... 307 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:35,280 All these sort of ways to maintain your cool. 308 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,000 My hair was a disaster. I hated it. 309 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,480 When I looked in the mirror, 310 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,480 I saw somebody like Art Garfunkel. 311 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,960 Roger had exactly the same problem. 312 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:51,120 He was constantly straightening his hair. Dippity-do. 313 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:54,440 Dippity-do. He found this American gel that would straighten your hair 314 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:55,920 long enough to get through a gig. 315 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,920 And I think the main driving force then was fashion. 316 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:03,120 But then it became the music and the other things. 317 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:05,920 And the other thing is you've to put it in context of the time, 318 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,680 it was like people identifying with this new, modern, clean world. 319 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,800 This is Cut My Hair, it's like the first proper song on the album. 320 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:25,840 The album should have started with Cut My Hair because that's where the story starts. 321 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,320 On Cut My Hair you've got a... 322 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,680 This piano part, very nursery, 323 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,800 gentle piano. 324 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:42,240 Against which you get the story of the boy complaining about why 325 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,080 he has to fuck around with his hair basically. 326 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,280 # If I have to cut my hair 327 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,560 # I've got to move with the fashion 328 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,800 # Or be outcast. # 329 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:59,440 It's interesting because what it's about is a mixture of that 330 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,240 refrain when we were young 331 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,960 and the hair was long which was, "Get your hair cut!" 332 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,880 And suddenly all of that being turned on its head by the mod movement where a face 333 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,320 would turn to you and say, "Get your hair cut." 334 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,360 And you'd think, "Hold on a minute, you're only three or four 335 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:21,000 "years older than me, don't fucking tell me to get my haircut!" 336 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,640 # And I'm leaping along 337 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,520 # I'm dressed right for a beach fight 338 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,720 # But I just can't explain 339 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,600 # Why that uncertain feeling is still 340 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,920 # Here in my brain. # 341 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,760 If you were raised in a modern neighbourhood, you had to fit in with those people. 342 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,120 So, we sat down and had our hair cut. Which I hated. 343 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:51,080 It had taken me nearly a year 344 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,240 to grow my Beatle fringe down to here. 345 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,720 I was taken to this guy called Jack the barber, 346 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,760 more like Sweeney Todd! 347 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,960 I remember going back to my house with Keith Moon 348 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:10,080 and smashing the mirror in my room because I hated it. Horrible. 349 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,760 I kind of rebelled against it went out and bought myself a jacket 350 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:19,720 and trousers and I felt OK about it. Except for my hair. 351 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,840 # Zoot suit, white jacket with side vents 352 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,360 # Five inches long. # 353 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:29,040 My initial reaction to it was, "It's about me." 354 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,200 The essence of Townshend's writing is that he 355 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:37,200 writes about the adolescent problems and they never change 356 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:42,040 and that's why if you take away the mod tunic, the mod uniform, 357 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,920 what you're left with is the universal adolescent problem. 358 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,080 What's happening at the very end is he's thinking, "This is shit." 359 00:23:55,080 --> 00:24:02,200 He can't deal with it. And at the end you get this abject self-pity which Jimmy is... 360 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,840 Falls into regularly. This sense of, "I can't do this." 361 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,640 # We have the same old row again and again 362 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:16,200 # Why do I have to move with the times? 363 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,720 # Of kids that hardly notice I'm around 364 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,120 # I work myself to death just to fit in. # 365 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:27,960 So, it sets up this thing that starting at the beginning 366 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,200 of Quadrophenia that he's becoming disenchanted with 367 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,040 the burden of being a mod, of trying to fit in, 368 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,000 of having the right shoes, the right shirt. 369 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,120 He's not getting what he wants. 370 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,960 # It's all a game 371 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,440 # And inside I'm just the same 372 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:51,440 # My fried egg makes me sick first thing in the morning. # 373 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:56,800 ARCHIVE: ...A gang of nearly 1,000 youths entered the Grand Hotel 374 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,480 in pursuit of two leather-clad rockers. 375 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,920 South Coast police have warned that if the fight between rival 376 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,280 gangs of mods and rockers continue strict security measures will be 377 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,640 in force at railway station both in London and on the south coast. 378 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,520 Brighton was just one of those places that was popping. 379 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,440 Say me and my friends went to a dance hall once, 380 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,680 there was a load of rockers there, they were taking the mick out of us. 381 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,320 You can't let a load of kids take the Mickey out of you, can you? 382 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,000 So, what do you do? Well, you have a punch-up about it. 383 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,680 What do you fight with? With fists! 384 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,800 The first trouble was in Clacton. 385 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,600 And afterwards I think Margate and then it was Brighton. 386 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,960 You had about 30 little mods 387 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,720 versus three big rockers. 388 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,600 They were all running up, "Come on, then!" And all this stuff. 389 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,160 We were posing and stuff like that. 390 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,920 It's the rockers that started. They screw you. What does screw mean? 391 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,480 You know, look you up and down and think, "That's a funny 392 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,600 "way of dressing." Think you're a poof or something like that. 393 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,560 The really cool mods hated the fact that there was this 394 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,920 violence on the beach. They hated it. 395 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,760 "Bunch of wankers! Going and fighting with rockers." 396 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,400 Ha! That kind of thing. 397 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,240 # As I was laying in a hospital bed... # 398 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,040 ARCHIVE: The beat they dance to is another difference between mods and rockers. 399 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,880 At this mod club, The Chez Don, in the East End of London the rhythm is blue 400 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,680 and strong enough to lean against. 401 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,080 The mod girls dance with each other and no-one bothers to talk 402 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,400 since you can't hear yourself speak. 403 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,680 Rockers don't show their faces here. It would only lead to trouble. 404 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,600 This is the famous Goldhawk club. 405 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,440 I'm opening the door to the dance hall. 406 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,040 Along here and on the other side 407 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,640 was a whole bunch of settees where a lot of necking went on! 408 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,160 And there was kissing and French kissing and tongues and stuff. 409 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,240 # Got a feeling inside Can't explain 410 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,360 # It's a certain kind Can't explain 411 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,560 # I feel hot and cold Can't explain 412 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,200 # Yeah, down in my soul, yeah Can't explain... # 413 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,880 We'd just done Ready Steady Go, they had been there in the audience, 414 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,200 we went to the Goldhawk Club and played Can't Explain, 415 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,960 we played it again and again and again. 416 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,240 # The things you've said, well, maybe they're true... # 417 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,440 And I thought, "God Almighty! What's going on?" 418 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,440 "The Who are playing probably my favourite song of all time." 419 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,720 They've played I Can't Explain three times, what's going on? 420 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,240 # When I feel blue 421 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,480 # But I can't explain Can't explain 422 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,960 "Play it again, play it again!" Dah, da-da, dah-da-da! 423 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:12,000 You know, fucking glorious night at the Goldhawk Club that their boys 424 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,680 had gone on Ready Steady Go which was the big mod programme of the day. 425 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:23,960 I sort of elected myself as some kind of delegate and I came here, 426 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,880 I knocked on this door, this very door we're looking at. 427 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,120 Irish Jack walks forward and says "There's something we want to tell you." 428 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:37,200 I said, "Look, this song is exactly what we're trying to say." 429 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,600 You've said it for us. 430 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,840 I can't explain because this is what mods were about. 431 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,320 They couldn't explain. 432 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,560 None of us could explain, we didn't have the articulation. 433 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,600 So, I said to him quite patronising, "Jack, 434 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,240 "you want to be to write more songs for you about the fact you 435 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,080 "can't explain what it is you want me to explain 436 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,400 "and I can't explain what it is you want to explain?" 437 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,360 Jack immediately goes, "That's it!" 438 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,640 So, in words, Pete Townshend became the song laureate of the mods 439 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,040 in Shepherd's Bush, Hammersmith, Acton, Ealing. 440 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,680 # You declared you'd be three inches taller 441 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,320 # You only became what we made you. # 442 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,840 There's a fabulous postcard, we're about 18/19, 443 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,680 we look like perfect little girly mods. 444 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:54,000 That's the band that Jimmy looked at and went, "That's me!" 445 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,600 Then he goes into that band and finds that these four people, 446 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,480 each one of them is a deeply eccentric and complex and difficult 447 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,480 and fucked up individual and they're each in their own way. 448 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,560 # I'm the guy in the sky 449 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,080 # Flying high, flashing eyes 450 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,000 # No surprise I told lies 451 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,640 # I'm the punk in the gutter. # 452 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,920 All of those youth movements are built on false idols. 453 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,320 They're all built on the idea of loving something and never meet your idols. 454 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,240 There's that crushing sense of disappointment. 455 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,040 They're not the people you think they are. 456 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,880 This was the only time The Who were in the entire book. 457 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,760 We shot about 4am in the morning so we wouldn't have any traffic 458 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,960 and it was the Hammersmith Odeon, that was the idea. 459 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,400 And in the story it's where Jimmy sees The Who otherwise 460 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,760 they don't intersect in the story. 461 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,280 He's feeling inferior, his hero's scooter is bust 462 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,360 and these guys have a limo. 463 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,600 # I have to be careful not to preach 464 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,680 # I can't pretend that I can teach 465 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,880 # And yet I've lived your future out 466 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,360 # By pounding stages like a clown 467 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,360 # And on the dance floor broken glass 468 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,480 # And bloody faces slowly pass 469 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,640 # The numbered seats in empty rows 470 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,920 # It all belongs to me you know. # 471 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,480 OK! 472 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,240 There's this idea of The Who, who had these kind of mod roots, 473 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,080 and they later became a great big bloated rock band. 474 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,680 The distance between them being almost '70s rock stars 475 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,800 and the '60s roots of what they were is played up in this photograph. 476 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:58,000 You get this image of Jimmy, the mod, from the 1960s, clearly, 477 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,320 down on one knee and out here's the band coming out of Hammersmith Odeon 478 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:06,000 but the band appear to be like a '70s rock band and the interesting 479 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,040 thing is it's the distance between him and them, that's the time shift. 480 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,400 This is when the album is recorded, 481 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,720 this is the distance between these two things. 482 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,120 It's important. 483 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,040 # I'm the guy in the sky 484 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,160 # Flying high, flashing eyes 485 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,080 # No surprise I told lies 486 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,720 # I'm the punk in the gutter. # 487 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,800 He just happens to pass his ex-heroes, The Who, 488 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:37,120 and says to them, "You bunch of... You fucking let me down." That's all it's about. 489 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,440 This one song, Punk And The Godfather, that was it. 490 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,400 # I don't mind 491 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,600 # Other guys dancing with my girl 492 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,720 # That's fine 493 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,720 # I know them all pretty well... # 494 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,240 # Is it me for a moment? # 495 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,760 Records traditionally have tracks with gaps in between. 496 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,440 What Quadrophenia has is a soundscape 497 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,560 and the thing it's closest to is it's a film soundtrack. 498 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,680 So, between the tracks you get the sound of Jimmy's life, losing his bike, 499 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,520 losing his dirty job, 500 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,400 living rough on the streets alone. 501 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,120 The sound of the train in the station, the whistle. 502 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,800 The boiling kettle and a fried egg. 503 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,480 In a sense, it's using sound as music. 504 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,520 For sea and sand, for example, I literally walked down a beach 505 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,680 with a stereo mic singing sea and sand. 506 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,960 # Here by the sea and sand. # 507 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,040 But Quadrophenia had a sound, it was one sound from start to finish, 508 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,600 and that sound was the sound of the backing track. 509 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,000 TRAIN RUSHES PAST 510 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,680 What had happened was the Who couldn't find a studio that they liked, 511 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,840 so they said, "Let's buy a place and build our own," 512 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,400 because they had some money then, 513 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,400 so they found this church in Battersea, in Thessaly Road, Battersea. 514 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,800 Thessaly Road was really a storage facility. 515 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,920 Pete Townshend came down one day to see where all his guitars were. 516 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,960 Blimey. 517 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,720 I'm surprised how spacious it is. 518 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,920 He looked around, he gave a click of his fingers, and he said, 519 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,400 "This has got good resonance." 520 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,360 It had, you know, a bright... 521 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,400 It's still got quite a bright sound in here. 522 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,840 But it was brighter than this, it was quite a bright... 523 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,720 And that was unusual at the time. 524 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:04,120 Most studios in London were a little bit deader than this one. 525 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,040 He said, "This would make a bloody good studio." 526 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,840 So, I goes, "Right, turn it into a studio." 527 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,600 There's a window, you can see, here, 528 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,760 just there, which would have allowed you to see from this room... 529 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,280 If you are sitting down, you could see into the control room, 530 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,080 which would have been there, where the doctor's waiting room is. 531 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,760 The main intention was that the control room should be quadraphonic. 532 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,960 There were no rooms in the UK, or in America at the time, 533 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,600 that had for speakers, one in each corner. They just weren't any. 534 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,520 This is an acoustic ceiling, designed... 535 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,360 They're always designed like this, with this dish, 536 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,400 and you can see that that would have been one of the plinths 537 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,440 on which we hung one of the quadraphonic speakers, 538 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,880 another one there, another one there. 539 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,960 You can see that the room is designed in a quadraphonic shape. 540 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,760 The mixing desk would've been here, tape machines there. 541 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,600 I had the idea to do something in quadraphonic 542 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,800 before I was certain about the story of Quadrophenia. 543 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,400 And the band that were doing the most experimentation with it 544 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,760 were Pink Floyd, and they'd done a couple of shows where 545 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,840 they'd introduced quadraphonic sound into their live shows. 546 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,240 # Money... Dum, dum, dum, dum, tchk... # 547 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:32,080 would come out in the back right, this great big chink, 548 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,960 then it would come out there, and then it goes round and round and round. It was very exciting. 549 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:44,720 So, we had a test unit sent over, and Pete hated it. 550 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:47,600 The separation wasn't... It was like a big mono. 551 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,200 And Pete said, "You know, I am not going to make 552 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,760 "a quadraphonic album that sounds worse than the stereo." 553 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,720 These days, on a computer, you can do this kind of thing in 15 seconds. 554 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,320 Back then, it was much harder. 555 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,520 We actually never mixed anything in quadraphonic. 556 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,280 Quadrophenia is strictly a stereo album. 557 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,760 At the same time as trying to do that, everything was up in the air. 558 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,400 They were building the studio and trying to record this thing 559 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,840 in the studio, while there were builders in there. 560 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,880 There's people under the desk, undoing things. 561 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,320 He says, "Hold on a minute, another take," 562 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,360 and then they start... It was utter chaos. 563 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,200 What was different about our studio to everybody else's, 564 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,440 that we had the bar IN the fucking studio. 565 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,280 You know, you'd kind of go, "Na, na, na, nee, na," 566 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,320 and then pour yourself a pint of beer, 567 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,720 or a pint of brandy, whatever it was, right there. 568 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:42,600 You didn't have to reach out very far. 569 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:47,080 The average Who session, not for Roger, but for John, Keith and I, 570 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,520 would start, we'd roll up, it would be two o'clock. 571 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,360 By four o'clock, we would have had enough brandy 572 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:58,160 to start fiddling around. We would be telling stories. 573 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,440 Roger hated all that stuff, he just thought it was time-wasting. 574 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,920 We were building round the making of Quadrophenia, 575 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,120 and we didn't know our arse from our elbow. 576 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,600 We didn't know what we were doing. 577 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,920 When the desk got put in, Pete said, "Let's hear what it sounds like," 578 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,800 and all of us in the control room, 579 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,960 our ears and noses started to bleed. 580 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,560 I have a ruptured eardrum to this day, because of it. 581 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,520 We measured it. 582 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:29,280 It was louder than standing by the four engines of Concorde at full throttle. 583 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:35,120 It was 140 decibels, and one guitar blast... 584 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,800 ..just projectile bleeding! 585 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,560 SHE LAUGHS 586 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,440 As well as the studio falling apart, 587 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:51,040 Townshend was in danger of losing his long-term creative ally and producer. 588 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,880 By the start of Quadrophenia, Townshend was still 589 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,320 under the illusion that Kit Lambert was going to be around to help him. 590 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,160 Kit Lambert and Chris Stone, their co-managers, 591 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,920 got into heroin and stuff. 592 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,280 So, they were kind of not looking after business, 593 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,040 or so Roger thought, because Roger found out that all the money 594 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,440 hadn't been accounted for, and there was some money missing. 595 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,400 That was a really sad period, actually. 596 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,080 Kit wanted to be THE producer, as such. 597 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,520 Kit Lambert, who had supposed to have been co-producing with me, 598 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,360 had stopped coming. 599 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,000 I took him out, and in the end I got so angry with Kit 600 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,640 over his behaviour, that I started to threaten him physically, 601 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,560 and funnily enough, Roger came out, 602 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,960 and calmed me down, and got Kit Lambert away, 603 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,960 and then we never really worked together again. 604 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,520 And daddy was long gone. Townshend was on his own. 605 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,200 It was pretty difficult, I didn't realise the extent of their drug use. 606 00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:59,480 And I didn't realise 607 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,360 just how much destructive behaviour was going on. 608 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,000 And I guess that Pete felt incredible pressure. 609 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,400 The local community were really good to us. 610 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,280 They loved having the Who there, 611 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,720 and that was in the days when the power station was working. 612 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:31,120 You know, we had kids from the estate used to come in 613 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,600 and sit down in the front, sometimes. 614 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,120 5.15 was one of the songs that they let us listen to, 615 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,840 which was exciting. 616 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,360 Roger would say things like, "Girls, would you buy this song?" We would say yes or no. 617 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,000 "Do you think it would get to number one?" 618 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,640 The band now that haven't had a single out for two years. 619 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,360 They've taken a track off their forthcoming LP, 620 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,520 Quadrophenia, I think it's called, 621 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,760 and it's 5.15, and it's the Who! 622 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,960 The thing about 5.15 was that it was a sound check riff. 623 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,480 We were just getting the sound together, 624 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,760 and then we moved on to another song, but we were just riffing away. 625 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,880 # Why should I care? 626 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,160 # Why should I care...? # 627 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,280 This song is built around this riff coming up. 628 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,280 GUITAR MUSIC PLAYS 629 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,200 And then the horns complement that. 630 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,120 If I go back and play you what John plays, 631 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,800 you can hear that he plays an emulation of the guitar. 632 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,200 HORNS ECHO GUITAR CHORDS 633 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,800 HE SINGS ALONG 634 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,760 He's playing my guitar part for me... 635 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,800 ..With the droning, which I always had in the background. 636 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,760 # Girls of fifteen 637 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,600 # Sexually knowing 638 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,520 # The ushers are sniffing 639 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,560 # Eau de Cologne-ing... # 640 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,360 And the ushers are sniffing, eau de Cologne-ing, 641 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,480 was a reference to the young girls at the Beatles concert in Blackpool. 642 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,520 The whole of Blackpool... this Blackpool theatre 643 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,160 smelt of urine. I mean, it was just beyond belief. 644 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,120 Every single girl in the audience must have pissed themselves 645 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,520 in excitement, and they were sprinkling eau de Cologne 646 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,320 on all the seats, because it was apparently what you do, 647 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,080 was you sprinkle eau de Cologne. 648 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,720 # Girls of fifteen 649 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:40,720 # Sexually knowing 650 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:42,560 # The ushers are sniffing 651 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,400 # Eau de Cologne-ing 652 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,240 # The seats are seductive 653 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,040 # Celibate sitting 654 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,080 # Pretty girls digging 655 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,080 # Prettier women 656 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,960 # Magically bored 657 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,920 # On a quiet street corner 658 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,000 # Free frustration 659 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,080 # In our minds and our toes 660 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,920 # Quiet storm water 661 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,800 # M-M-My generation 662 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,720 # Uppers and downers 663 00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:09,640 # Either way, blood flows... # 664 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,600 Jimmy's fallen out of love with his idols, 665 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,240 he's been thrown out of his home. 666 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:14,920 The scooter's been crashed. 667 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,560 Right, now what you do? This is the going off into the wilderness, 668 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,400 cos actually what he's doing, he's going off in search of Xanadu. 669 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,360 # ..Inside, outside 670 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,400 # Leave me alone... # 671 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,720 'He's going back to find the thing that makes sense to him, 672 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,280 'you know, being on the beach, being down in Brighton, 673 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,480 'being part of the whole mod culture thing.' 674 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,560 # ..Out of my brain on the 5.15... # 675 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,480 'And he's going off in search of something 676 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,760 'that he already knows is gone. 677 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,800 'That, I think, is why that song is so powerful, 678 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,840 'because it's the sense that something has all ready been lost.' 679 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:34,520 He goes back to Brighton, 680 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,720 but there's that lovely idea that Townshend captures, 681 00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:41,720 a very English idea of going to a seaside town after the fair's left. You're off season. 682 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,680 But, actually, there's a strange beauty in it, 683 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,320 and the beauty is that he feels calm by the sea and the sand, 684 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,320 because everything else has passed away. 685 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,840 # Here by the sea and sand 686 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,400 # Nothing ever goes as planned 687 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,480 # I just couldn't face going home 688 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,360 # It was just a drag on my own... # 689 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,280 Jimmy is drawn to - and this is the reason 690 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,040 why he is not the same as everyone else - 691 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,760 is that he goes and talks to the sea. 692 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,560 The image of him looking out at something much bigger than all of this. 693 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,000 Brighton, the mod culture thing, is happening behind here, 694 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,640 on the promenade, on the pier, but actually what he's doing 695 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,720 is looking out at the vast expanse of the sea, 696 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:25,920 and the sea is speaking to him. 697 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,200 # Let me flow into the ocean 698 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,440 # Let me get back to the sea 699 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,360 # Let me be stormy and let me be calm 700 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,640 # Let the tide in and set me free... # 701 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,160 That was a song written about the spiritual journey. 702 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,760 # ..I want to drown... # 703 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,280 It's about, "Let me get back to the sea. 704 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,600 "Let me get back to the ocean," meaning, "Let me get back to God," 705 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,200 which is brought on by walking on the beach, by the sea. 706 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,640 There's nobody there but him, he's on his own. 707 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,520 # ..Let me flow into the ocean 708 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,000 # Let me get back to the sea 709 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,160 # Let me be stormy and let me be calm 710 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:28,720 # Let the tide in, rush over me 711 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,840 # You know, I want to drown, drown 712 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,600 # Drown, drown, drown 713 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,440 # I want to drown, drown 714 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,960 # Drown, drown, drown 715 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,960 # I want to drown, drown 716 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,240 # Drown, drown, drown... # 717 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,960 It's interesting that out of that calm and peace 718 00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:02,680 comes the story's whole turning point, where Jimmy meets up 719 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,840 with this key figure from his past, 720 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,840 the leader of the mods, the Ace Face. 721 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,160 The idea is that Jimmy goes back and he finds this character, 722 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,120 the Ace Face, who he really, really idolised, 723 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,680 but in fact, the guy who was smashing in the hotel doors with him 724 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,240 just recently is now working as a bellboy. 725 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,280 # The beach is a place where a man can feel 726 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,040 # He's the only soul in the world that's real... # 727 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:51,960 Jimmy sees his hero in the harsh midday sun being nobody. 728 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,760 # ..Well, I see a face coming through the haze 729 00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:00,680 # I remember him from those crazy days... # 730 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,320 And if this person, who was so exalted, who was so perfect, 731 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,560 that he idolised, is nothing, 732 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,840 then Jimmy has nothing, he is nothing. 733 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,640 # ..Riding up in front of a hundred faces 734 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,560 # I don't suppose you would remember me 735 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,520 # But I used to follow you back in '63... # 736 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,760 Jimmy's rank disillusion at the idea that the person 737 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,000 he idolised is a fucking bellboy. 738 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,240 # ..I've got a good job 739 00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:41,120 # And I'm newly born 740 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,960 # You should see me dressed up in my uniform 741 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,640 # I work in hotel All gilt and flash 742 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,840 # Remember the gaff where the doors we smashed? 743 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,280 # Bell boy 744 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,440 # I got to get running now... # 745 00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:01,600 It was quite difficult working with Keith as a singer, because he acted, rather than sang. 746 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,800 # ..Carry the bloody baggage out 747 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,200 # Bell boy 748 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,920 # Always running at someone's heel... # 749 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,800 I loved the way he did that. 750 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,440 It's the kind of thing you could imagine a bellboy doing, 751 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,640 working at a posh hotel. 752 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,320 "Cor blimey," like this, with his mates, 753 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,320 and then when after a tip, it's, "Hello, sir." 754 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,240 I was uncomfortable with turning the bellboy into a comedy figure, 755 00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:32,920 because I thought, "This is the only time that the Ace Face sings." 756 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,720 # ..Remembering when stars were in reach 757 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,800 # I wander in early to work... # 758 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,120 A couple of times, I said to him, "It's not a comedy." 759 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,720 # ..Spend my day licking boots for my perks... # 760 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,120 Whoosh! That would have gone... 761 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,240 # ..The beach is a place where a man can feel 762 00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:58,080 # He's the only soul in the world that's real... # 763 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,800 INTERVIEWER: What was Keith like in 1973? 764 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,080 Just a little bit more drunk than he was in 1972! 765 00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:13,160 The extraordinary thing about Keith 766 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,920 was that whatever you felt about him as a drummer, 767 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,360 and I didn't think very much of him as a drummer... 768 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,040 HE LAUGHS 769 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,440 It's kind of sacrilege, isn't it? But I didn't. 770 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,640 He listened. 771 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,920 People would call him a sloppy drummer, and he never was a sloppy drummer. 772 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,240 He had an extraordinary metronome. He made the music dramatic. 773 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,200 What he wouldn't do is play, "Boom, boom, bup, ba, boom, ba." 774 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,920 He'd be, "Blrr-plplrprl! Bing, bing, bing! 775 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,200 "Bing, bing, bing! Tiddle, bing, bing! 776 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,200 "Biddle, bing, bing," you know? 777 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,080 And I'd be going, "Boom, boom, bang, bang, boom," 778 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,520 because somebody had to! 779 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,040 # ..People often change 780 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:05,920 # But when I look in your eyes 781 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,880 # You could learn a lot from a life like mine 782 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,400 # The secret to me 783 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,640 # It ain't flown like a flag 784 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,280 # I wear it behind this bloody little badge 785 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,560 # What says... 786 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,000 # Bell boy... # 787 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,560 He was at the top of his game in '73, '73-'74, 788 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,200 absolute top of his game. 789 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,440 He was magnificent, and funny as hell. 790 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,760 You know, I tell the funny stories about him showing up 791 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,960 and saying, "Come outside and look at my new car!" 792 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,000 We'd go out and there'd be a Rolls-Royce. 793 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,880 We'd say, "That's fabulous, Keith, great." 794 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,560 Then two hours later, we'd have somebody from Jack Barclay's - 795 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,280 "Where do I send the invoice for Keith Moon's new car? 796 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,400 "He said we've got to send it to the Who group. Is it the Who group?" 797 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,600 I said, "No, you send it to Keith Moon." 798 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,480 "No, no, no. We have to send it to the Who group." 799 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,600 "No, we're not fucking paying for it, OK? 800 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,200 "This is his car, let him pay for it." 801 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,800 "No, no, you don't understand..." 802 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,520 "No, you don't fucking understand. We're not paying for his car." 803 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,400 Ah! That's better! 804 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,080 Phil, what-what-what-what-what... 805 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,360 'I think today you'd say he had ADHD 806 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,360 'and he needed some Ritalin, or something.' 807 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,960 LAUGHTER 808 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:25,080 But taking cocaine and mandrix and brandy was exacerbating it. 809 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,880 It was always a mixture with Keith. 810 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:33,240 You know, fun one minute and a bit frightening the next. 811 00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:36,080 Never felt afraid OF him, but frightened for him 812 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,160 and people around him. 813 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:44,240 And he wasn't at his best as a human being at that time. 814 00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:46,080 I don't think any of us were, really. 815 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,480 I shouldn't really single him out. 816 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,560 There's a credit on the inside of the sleeve which says, 817 00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,760 "Quadrophenia in its entirety by Pete Townshend." 818 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:14,800 Townshend writes, records the entire album himself in demo form 819 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,480 and then, when he brought it to the Who, they did it again. 820 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,440 Quadrophenia was definitely like a Pete Townshend solo project. 821 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,320 It was all Townshend from start to finish, his own... 822 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,560 They probably knew nothing about it till he came and said, "Here it is." 823 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,240 So, you could see how Roger and maybe the others would feel 824 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:37,480 a little bit resentful, because it could be construed 825 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,880 as being used like session musicians, you know. 826 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:45,200 I hear it said that Pete produced the album, which in a sense he did. 827 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,840 But the one thing he never, ever produced was the vocals. 828 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,280 He's never there when I record my vocals, ever. I won't have that. 829 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,520 Roger was always tough, assertive, masculine. 830 00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:01,640 So there was always that sense that you had to be cheerful what you said around him, you really did. 831 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,480 Pete's a very complicated character, 832 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,920 incredibly complicated, as you can see by the songs he writes. 833 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,200 They had an addiction to friction. 834 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,200 It's almost like they're two jigsaw pieces, 835 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,840 and when you bring them together they fit together. 836 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,920 It's an absolute love-hate... 837 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,760 Not hate, but it's a love-anger relationship. 838 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,680 And I think if you take away the love-anger, 839 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,520 you take away the creative source. 840 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,800 You take away the driving dynamic. 841 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,640 So he steals a boat, in the story, 842 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,320 and goes out to sea and almost drowns. 843 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,720 It's clearly written as, is this going to be what happens 844 00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:20,240 to this boy whose life's kind of fallen apart? 845 00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:24,080 Who's twice schizophrenic, pilled out, lost, he's got nothing, 846 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,960 doesn't have a girl, doesn't have a bike, 847 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,880 doesn't have anything. 848 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,400 And that's kind of what we're shooting. 849 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,080 And then he's now really adrift. 850 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,440 And then this, which I just kind of love. 851 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,280 Love Reign O'er Me. 852 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,480 # Only love... # 853 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:53,920 What's interesting about... 854 00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,840 ..the opening here is that what you hear from Roger 855 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,720 is incredible tenderness. 856 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,800 You don't hear the heartfelt bawling, 857 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,440 screaming bear that you hear later on. 858 00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,360 # Only love 859 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,360 # Can make it rain 860 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,560 # The way the beach 861 00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,640 # Is kissed by the sea 862 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,200 # Only love 863 00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,800 # Can make it rain 864 00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,960 # Like the set of lovers 865 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,600 # Laying in the fields... # 866 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,000 Then you get to this impassioned scream. 867 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,240 # ..Love! 868 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,560 # Reign o'er me... # 869 00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:49,400 If nothing else, Love Reign O'er Me shows that Jimmy's a man. 870 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,400 # ..Love... # 871 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,280 A boy wants to be noticed at a club, 872 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,040 wants a jacket. 873 00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,240 Here, at the end, Jimmy is finally becoming a man 874 00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:01,600 and asking for things that men want. 875 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,680 # ..Reign o'er me 876 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,160 # Only love 877 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:11,920 # Can bring the rain... # 878 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,800 Jimmy is the hero, at last. 879 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,840 It's not about the Who, it's not about Roger, 880 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,560 it's not about Pete, not about John, not about the mods, 881 00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,720 it's not about Ace Face, not about drugs, or any of that stuff. 882 00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,960 It's just about Jimmy and what it is that he's finally got to, 883 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,600 is that he realises that he's been looking outside himself, 884 00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,240 and what he has to do now is to try to ask the question internally, 885 00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,240 and that what this song does. 886 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,080 # ..Love! 887 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,000 # Reign o'er me 888 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:45,480 # Reign o'er me, reign o'er me 889 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,280 # Love! 890 00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,040 # Reign o'er me 891 00:57:53,040 --> 00:58:00,320 # Reign o'er me, reign o'er me... # 892 00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:15,560 The poignancy for me was that, as a composer, working with the Who 893 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:19,600 was so great because they used to give me this unbelievable licence. 894 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,240 They didn't share my spiritual beliefs - that's fine - 895 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,880 they didn't share my spiritual beliefs but they allowed me 896 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,360 to have them, and to express them through my work. 897 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,680 And when it came to a song like Love Reign O'er Me, 898 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,600 which is a spiritual prayer to nothing and everything, 899 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,240 Roger gave it his bollocks. 900 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,040 This is Roger coming in in a second. 901 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,800 'I did it as a scream from the street.' 902 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,320 I wanted it to be like the ultimate anger, the ultimate passion, 903 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:54,720 the ultimate orgasm, you know. 904 00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,000 'I wanted it to be like every emotion we've ever had.' 905 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,840 # ..Lo-o-o-ove! 906 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,920 # Reign o'er me 907 00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,520 # Reign over me, over me, over me 908 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,440 # Whoa! Love! # 909 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,920 Because then it's unconditional to the track. 910 00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,320 And love should be always unconditional. 911 00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:24,480 # O-o-o'er me... # 912 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,000 You get this sense of Roger 913 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,480 producing this deep scream from his heart, 914 00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:34,880 from Jimmy's heart. 915 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,200 # ..Love... # 916 00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,280 HE CHUCKLES 917 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:55,640 The end of Quadrophenia is left ambiguous. 918 00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,840 The illusion of drowning and water 919 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,360 is throughout the album, and that can be death or rebirth. 920 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,840 The question of what happens to Jimmy next, 921 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:12,720 I really like the fact that it's in the hands of the listener. 922 01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,320 We're going to go on the road again. We're doing a tour of Europe. 923 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,240 Then we do America 924 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,200 and we come back to Europe 925 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,960 and then we do America again. 926 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,960 We've got two American tours lined up. 927 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,160 The day that we finished the stereo mix, 928 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,160 our managers booked a fucking tour. 929 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:53,960 So I had two weeks to rehearse, to develop the stage's quadraphonic sound, 930 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,600 which was impossible. 931 01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,440 We didn't have the time. So they overworked us. 932 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,400 I didn't take into account properly at that time 933 01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,760 the load that Pete had, 934 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,720 what with the mixing and everything else. 935 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,800 I was trying to help them survive. 936 01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,480 Speaking for myself, I was dead meat. 937 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,720 Actually completely exhausted. I'm sure Roger was exhausted too. 938 01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:21,400 We had employed a bunch of people that were our friends 939 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,440 to film the rehearsal 940 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:28,280 and I think we got through to Doctor Jimmy 941 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:32,360 and they'd been sitting on their boxes with cameras 942 01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,800 and I just said to them, "You can sit on your arses all fucking afternoon 943 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,560 "cos I'm not singing this again. 944 01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,280 "I thought you were supposed to be filming this?" 945 01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,360 I don't know why, but for some reason 946 01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,360 this other side of Pete came over and started poking me. 947 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,600 "They do what I tell them to do!" 948 01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,560 And doing this to me. 949 01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,880 All the roadies jump on me and start holding my arms. 950 01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,320 I started to scream at him 951 01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:01,840 and I can't remember the details but we ended up in a physical grappling. 952 01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,440 He pulled his guitar off and, as he brought it down, 953 01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,600 he tried to hit me on the head with it. 954 01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,240 And it glanced off my shoulder, like that. 955 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,960 Then he threw a punch and it went one way and I moved that way. 956 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,680 Then he threw the other punch, and as he was coming forward 957 01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,040 with his right hand this way, I upper-cutted him. 958 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,120 And he hit me and I passed out. 959 01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,240 AUDIENCE CHEERS 960 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,040 ANNOUNCER: Here they are...the Who! 961 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:44,000 At the shows, you could see they'd introduced our new work 962 01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,040 and the audience were going, "Yeah", and it would start and they'd go... 963 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:51,360 We'd like to carry on our present act 964 01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,800 with our new album, 965 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,480 or parts of it. 966 01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,680 I don't know what they expected, but the audience, it was new to them. 967 01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:05,440 'Then what started to happen is that Roger started to tell the story.' 968 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:10,200 This one's about his feelings when he gets down to the seaside. 969 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,520 Every time we played a song, he was stopping and saying, 970 01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,280 "Now Jimmy has fucked off with his dad. 971 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:15,600 "He's going to go and get a job." 972 01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,680 The next song is about a guy 973 01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:26,720 who sees an old gang leader who's working as a bellhop. 974 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,080 When somebody's talking on stage, you can't hear it. 975 01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,760 Half the time you're, "What did he say?" 976 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,640 So you had that confusion going on at these Quadrophenia shows. 977 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,080 So I probably gave Pete a load of problems he didn't need. 978 01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,040 After that, things fell apart. 979 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:56,720 It was the first night of the Quadrophenia US shows 980 01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:01,240 and Moon takes elephant tranquiliser and he starts off strong enough, 981 01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,280 and a few songs in, he collapses. 982 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,200 He's out cold. 983 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:14,400 I think he's gone and eaten something he shouldn't have eaten. 984 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,720 It's your foreign food. 985 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,960 I'm afraid the horrible truth is, 986 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,080 that without him, we're not a group. 987 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,360 Yeah, he did that kind of thing all the time. 988 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,960 It's just that this time, the drugs were too powerful for him. 989 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,640 He's still a bit sort of dodgy. 990 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,160 But he'll be all right. 991 01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,800 He is dragged off stage and they take a break 992 01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,320 and they come back and he makes it through 993 01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:09,480 and then by the end of Won't Get Fooled Again, he's dead. 994 01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,160 He is lifeless, he's Jell-O. 995 01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,520 Can anybody play the drums? 996 01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:31,760 And then they had this fan, Scott Halpin, come play drums with them. 997 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,000 Scott! 998 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,680 And that's how they kicked off what already was a difficult tour. 999 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:45,440 We managed to kind of solider on. We could put a brave face on it. 1000 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,760 I could tell funny stories about it 1001 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,080 and we could all have a good laugh, but it was tragic. 1002 01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:55,080 It was really tragic, cos Keith was being a fool. 1003 01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,200 We got good reviews and the album sold well, 1004 01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,360 but when we came back to Europe the following year, 1005 01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:11,840 we weren't even playing it. 1006 01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,760 Went back to playing Tommy. 1007 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,080 And what's interesting about this album is it kind of worked. 1008 01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:25,440 We never really ever made a truly great album again. 1009 01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,560 You pulled this letter out, it's a painful letter, 1010 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:44,280 but this is the man I was at a point. 1011 01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:48,000 Ted Oldman was our lawyer at the time 1012 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:54,120 and in this last week of recording here I think I just thought, 1013 01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,160 "I've had it with this. 1014 01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,760 "This is not going to happen. We're not going to get an album. 1015 01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:02,920 "We're screwed in some way." 1016 01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,320 I probably had a bad day, but it says, 1017 01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,840 "Dear Ted, I'm writing to you in strictest confidence to ask advice 1018 01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:13,840 "and to seek guidance on a matter I feel only you can help me with. 1019 01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,720 "I've spoken to my wife and very intimate friends about this, 1020 01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,520 "but I found the making of this current record a great strain. 1021 01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,560 "The studio building problems, the writing problems 1022 01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,160 "and, of course, Kit and Keith have been aggravations 1023 01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:26,920 "to an already difficult time. 1024 01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,800 "I've been building up to this for many years now 1025 01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,080 "and I feel that, as of now, 1026 01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,560 "the record we are making and the current tours we are undertaking 1027 01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:38,000 "will be the last I want to be involved with as the Who as a group. 1028 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,240 "I'm losing any impetus either to write for the Who as a vehicle 1029 01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,080 "or play with its members as a musician." 1030 01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,720 You know we were done. We were definitely done. 1031 01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,960 And this letter is indicative of the fact that 1032 01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:53,240 I would have gone home in that week and taken my wife aside 1033 01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,840 and said, "You know, we haven't had a holiday for fucking two years. 1034 01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,200 "I've hardly seen you. 1035 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,600 "We probably haven't made love for six weeks, six months, 1036 01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,080 "God knows what. 1037 01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,240 "I probably missed you at Christmas. I probably missed our anniversary. 1038 01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,280 "I'm sorry. It was all a fucking complete waste of time." 1039 01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,320 That's probably what I would have said to her. 1040 01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:13,840 And she probably would have said to me, 1041 01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,600 "Well, if that's how you feel you should stop, sweetheart." 1042 01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,520 And I write this letter and I didn't send it. 1043 01:08:37,480 --> 01:08:40,600 MUSIC: "Drowned" by The Who 1044 01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:48,040 # There are men high up there fishing 1045 01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,880 # Haven't seen quite enough of the world 1046 01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,600 # I ain't seen a sign of my hero 1047 01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:00,160 # And I'm still diving down for pearls 1048 01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,640 # Let me flow into the ocean 1049 01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:07,440 # Let me get back to the sea 1050 01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:09,680 # Let me be stormy and let me be calm 1051 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:14,680 # Let the tide in and set me free. # 90194

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