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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:06,800 NARRATOR: Deep in the Berkshire countryside 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,680 sits one of Britain's most feared institutions... 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,000 My first impression was, "This is a prison." 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:16,760 ..Broadmoor Hospital. 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,480 It's notorious because of who's there. 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,640 A place where dangerous men are sent... 7 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:26,360 ..when there's nowhere else for them to go. 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:28,760 You are dealing with people 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:33,240 who carry substantial risk of harm to the public. 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,960 There's always that risk that violence might erupt. 11 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,520 This is the inside story 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,480 told by those who've worked behind its walls... 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,160 One patient suddenly turned on me and said, 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,120 "The trouble with you is that you won't let me be mad." 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:50,840 ..those once detained here... 16 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,240 ..and by the most notorious of all. 17 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,480 He called me Bob, and I called him Peter. 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,960 PHONE RINGS 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,240 AUTOMATED MESSAGE: 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,480 Secretly recorded and speaking from beyond the grave. 21 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,040 Some will never leave. 22 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,080 You're there until it's deemed fit that you could be released. 23 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,320 This is the story of how to get out of Broadmoor. 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,320 People have escaped from high secure units. 25 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,360 It does happen, and it happened while I was there. 26 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:44,960 NARRATOR: Broadmoor Hospital 27 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,880 is one of the most secure institutions in Britain, 28 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,600 home to over 200 men with mental illness 29 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,240 or personality disorders. 30 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:58,840 It is surrounded by dense woodland, 22ft-high walls 31 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,600 and cutting-edge CCTV cameras. 32 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,040 But despite all the security, 33 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,080 there's still one sound synonymous with Broadmoor. 34 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,000 SIREN BLARES 35 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,600 The escape siren. SIREN BLARES 36 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:14,160 If there was an escape... 37 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,880 ..these sirens would wail, warning the local citizens 38 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:23,520 that someone dangerous had left Broadmoor. 39 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,680 They were tested every Monday morning at 10am 40 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,400 and, I think, sent terrible waves 41 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,800 through the community and the local area, 42 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,360 making it very aware that Broadmoor was there. 43 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,200 Break-outs from Broadmoor are incredibly rare - 44 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,000 but escape is not impossible. 45 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,840 People have escaped from high-secure units. 46 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,280 It does happen, and it happened while I was there. 47 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,680 In July 1991, 48 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,240 one of Broadmoor's most dangerous and depraved patients 49 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:04,480 managed to escape. 50 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,400 SIREN BLARES 51 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,400 It was in the morning, and I heard this noise, and I thought... 52 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:17,840 "..Oh, that's the siren." 53 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,480 I remember that siren. 54 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,120 It was a wailing... 55 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,000 whirring god-awful noise. 56 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,560 As the escaped patient vanished into the woods, 57 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,600 the surrounding village of Crowthorne went into lockdown. 58 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,480 Everybody locally were told to lock their doors. 59 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,800 The kids, the doors all closed at the schools. 60 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,800 REPORTER: Schools in the area were closed, 61 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,720 and parents were told to keep their children off the streets. 62 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,680 With a violent offender on the run, 63 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,480 staff members were expected to drop everything 64 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,000 and report for duty. 65 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,880 Got in the car. Drove to Broadmoor quite fast. 66 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,440 Went straight to where the reception's all set up. 67 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,200 So, maps came out from behind the ward 68 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,120 so that the police and everybody knew the areas. 69 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,120 Masses and masses of telephones, maps, everything. 70 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,040 It was like a huge war room, if you like, and there must have been 71 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,240 60 police cars in there from all over. 72 00:04:19,280 --> 00:04:22,560 Police roadblocks, helicopters - the lot. 73 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:23,760 The whole jamboree. 74 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,240 Nurses and police were sent out to search for the runaway patient. 75 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:30,040 And we were all put in teams, 76 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,720 and you paired up with the police, and off you went. 77 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,080 But the search teams had their work cut out. 78 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,080 The man on the loose was no ordinary patient. 79 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,120 He was convicted child rapist James Saunders, 80 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,280 also known as the "Wolfman" 81 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,000 because he'd lived in the wild whilst being hunted by police. 82 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,920 They called him the Wolfman 83 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,000 because he went on the run 84 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,440 and decided to live rough in the Wiltshire countryside. 85 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,840 So, you have this man who's been on the run. 86 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,800 It creates a storm nationally 87 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:08,240 and earned him the nickname of the Wolfman. 88 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,520 After five years and seven months in Broadmoor for violent rape, 89 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,200 Saunders was on the run once again. 90 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:22,960 Staff scrambled to work out how on earth he'd got away. 91 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,000 Evidence of Saunders' cleverness is that to distract attention 92 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,200 from the fact that he was planning to escape, 93 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,920 he helped to organise a pizza-making competition 94 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,800 which involved the chef and the staff in Broadmoor. 95 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:38,360 Neil Wheatcroft was Broadmoor's head chef at the time. 96 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,960 He was a wiry muscly patient, who... 97 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,480 When I first met him, 98 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:48,920 he said, "Would I be prepared to do a demonstration of pizza making?" 99 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,400 This was the initial meeting with him, and I said, "Yes, we can." 100 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,680 But the pizza party was just a diversion. 101 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,560 With the staff preoccupied, Saunders made his escape. 102 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,240 And it's during this he used the time to slip away 103 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:08,040 and exit through the shower room window. 104 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,760 He'd stolen a hacksaw blade from the workshop. 105 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,400 And he sawed through three window bars. 106 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,000 He's also tied bed sheets together 107 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,920 so that he could go down to the ground. 108 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,680 And he would have dropped to the deck, 109 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,840 ran across an open courtyard... 110 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:28,960 ..to the next wall 111 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,280 and then over into the woods and gone. Very clever. 112 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,720 I mean, it was extraordinary ability. 113 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,360 I'm not saying for a moment 114 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,600 that he shouldn't be incarcerated, of course, 115 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,320 but my goodness me, that was some achievement. 116 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,680 Saunders was strong, fast and easily able to hide in the wild. 117 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,000 REPORTER: Hunting him is no easy matter. 118 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,520 Broadmoor is bordered by dense, thick pine forests. 119 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,880 All day, helicopters have been scouring the area, 120 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:01,680 flying at treetop height 121 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,880 whilst men on foot searched the undergrowth beneath. 122 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,920 A day and a half passed with no sign of Saunders. 123 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,640 I've done nine-hour stints on the road, searching cars. 124 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,360 And then a breakthrough. 125 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,400 Around 40 hours after the alarm was raised, 126 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:29,880 a member of the public 127 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,840 spotted a man acting strangely in the woods 128 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,280 outside the Somerset village of Croscombe, 129 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,520 almost 90 miles from Broadmoor. 130 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,120 They called the police. 131 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,280 A neighbour apparently said something to a policeman, 132 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,400 and then they sent the truck down to fetch him. 133 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,000 And he didn't put up a fight, particularly. 134 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,520 He just acknowledged it and said, "Well, you've got me," 135 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,680 and went back to Broadmoor. 136 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,400 Although Saunders had been recaptured, 137 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:01,920 questions were raised 138 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,760 as to how he had managed to saw through the window bars. 139 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,280 One of the things that we used to do for security purposes 140 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,520 was we used to go into patients' rooms, 141 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,560 and we would rattle our keys along the bars. 142 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,720 And if you heard a different sound from one of the bars, 143 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,320 that was an indicator that it had been sawn through. 144 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,880 It's very complicated to escape from Broadmoor. 145 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,720 It's a lot of locks to go through, 146 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,760 a lot of guards to pass, a lot of security. 147 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,080 At Broadmoor, a patient escape is known as a "Never Event", 148 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,360 something that under no circumstances 149 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:40,560 should be allowed to happen. 150 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,360 So what happened next was doubly damaging. 151 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,120 And, so, a couple of years later, in 1993, 152 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,640 the Wolfman decides to escape again. 153 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:55,200 He just took off like a roadrunner. 154 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,960 Off he went. And over the wall - gone. 155 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,360 NARRATOR: Broadmoor had been rocked 156 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,360 by the escape of child rapist James Saunders. 157 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,760 The 40-hour manhunt caused a national scandal. 158 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:24,000 It was deeply wounding to Broadmoor 159 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,240 that such a dangerous man should be allowed to escape. 160 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,440 But although he had been recaptured, 161 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,320 the patient known as the Wolfman was undeterred. 162 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,200 Saunders wasn't content to remain in Broadmoor, 163 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:36,840 and so a couple of years later, 164 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:41,600 in 1993, the Wolfman decides to escape again. 165 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,640 This time, Saunders seized a chance opportunity. 166 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,960 He was escorted off the unit to go to a work area. 167 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,200 So, there was actually staff there, 168 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,080 and he just took off like a roadrunner. 169 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,520 And he ran just full tilt and then up a lamp 170 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:12,320 and jumped from the lamp onto the 22ft wall down the other side. 171 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,680 Off he went and over the wall - gone. 172 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,880 Remarkable, and worthy of the circus. 173 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,080 My friend said, "Bloody hell, he just got over the wall. 174 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,600 "God, he's done it again." 175 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,360 SIREN BLARES Yet again. 176 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,520 The siren sounded yet again. 177 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:34,560 It proved that you could escape from Broadmoor 178 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,120 if you were determined and if you were lucky. 179 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,000 But on this occasion, luck wasn't on his side. 180 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:47,080 When he landed on the other side, he did his ankle in. 181 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,360 Saunders was recaptured. 182 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,720 But that was the last time 183 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,440 those sirens were sounded in anger at Broadmoor. 184 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,160 There was never another escape. 185 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,520 Things tightened up. They got more security. 186 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:06,760 A lot more cameras were being installed outside. 187 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,920 The reality is it's very hard to escape from Broadmoor, indeed. 188 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,480 As Saunders discovered, the only guaranteed way 189 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,920 out of Broadmoor Hospital is to get officially discharged... 190 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,160 ..and many patients do get out the right way, 191 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,120 like former patient Joshua, who made progress with his recovery 192 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,840 and was allowed to leave after seven years. 193 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,880 After making a series of violent threats, 194 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:51,200 Joshua was sectioned and sent to Broadmoor Hospital in 2004. 195 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,240 At Broadmoor, Joshua received much-needed treatment. 196 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,720 Joshua was discharged from Broadmoor 197 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,400 after a long programme of treatment, therapy and reflection. 198 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,960 Though Broadmoor might look like a prison... 199 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,840 ..it is in fact a secure hospital 200 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,680 treating some of the country's most dangerous mental health patients. 201 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:20,800 We work, as anyone else in psychiatry would work, 202 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,520 with all the most modern treatments. 203 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:26,880 It's just that we have security as well, 204 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:31,200 so it's a proper modern hospital but with security. 205 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,360 At Broadmoor, patients who have committed a crime 206 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,240 are detained with a hospital order, 207 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,840 a legal declaration that detains those criminals 208 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,880 whose mental health makes them a risk to themselves or others. 209 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,240 Unlike a prison sentence, 210 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,920 a hospital order has no set end date, 211 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,080 so patients must remain in Broadmoor 212 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,560 for as long as doctors deem it necessary. 213 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,960 One of the extraordinary things about Broadmoor is that 214 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,920 you aren't really sent for a determined term. 215 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,400 You're there until it's deemed fit that you could be released. 216 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,240 This means that if you want to get discharged from Broadmoor, 217 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,320 you'll have to follow a rigorous process of treatment and therapy. 218 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,040 The first stage in all of this 219 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,520 is to get the mental illness under control, 220 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,200 and so the person is without the symptoms 221 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,080 that caused the problem in the first place. 222 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,360 On top of that, you then want to make sure the person has insight 223 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,120 into the past difficulties that they had... 224 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,880 ..and that they have an understanding of some of the ways 225 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,040 of dealing with the illness in the future if it were to return. 226 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,120 So, within Broadmoor, 227 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,080 there are different levels of security on the wards, 228 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,480 and you want to see 229 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,240 someone progressing to the lowest level of supervision. 230 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:20,440 So it's about a gradually reducing the level of surveillance 231 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,840 until you can reintroduce someone to the outside world. 232 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,040 If a patient has served out their criminal sentence 233 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,600 and can demonstrate that their symptoms are under control, 234 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,400 then even serial killers can be considered 235 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,960 for discharge to the outside world. 236 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,400 One such patient is Kenneth Erskine, 237 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,600 more commonly known as the Stockwell Strangler. 238 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,800 REPORTER: They were the sort of people 239 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,520 least able to defend themselves - 240 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,040 the elderly, the sick and the frightened. 241 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,800 They were the victims of a psychopath who roamed the streets 242 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,840 at night for nearly five months, looking for pensioners 243 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,440 who he strangled to death and sexually abused. 244 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,200 The period between April and July 1986, 245 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,920 we know for certain that Erskine killed seven times. 246 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:16,400 He deliberately targeted vulnerable old individuals. 247 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:22,200 He was 23. They were between 67 and 94. 248 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,760 They were people that he could exercise 249 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,280 a level of control and power over. 250 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,280 REPORTER: This morning, police repeated 251 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:31,880 their warning to elderly people 252 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,520 to keep all doors and windows locked at night. 253 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,160 He would climb into the house, through the window 254 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:43,120 and attack the old person, often sexually. 255 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,080 He would strangle them. He would sodomise them. 256 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,720 It's impossible to imagine 257 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:53,840 what that must have felt like to his victims. Out of nowhere. 258 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,160 Fred Prentice was asleep in bed in an old folks home 259 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,800 when a man climbed in through a window and tried to strangle him. 260 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,680 He was just out of control. 261 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,720 He wouldn't stop, indeed, until he was stopped. 262 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,120 REPORTER: When eventually caught and tried, 263 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,320 24-year-old Erskine was sentenced to 40 years, 264 00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:15,960 at the time, the longest ever jail term handed down in Britain. 265 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,760 Sentenced in 1988, 266 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,440 Erskine was initially sent to a high security prison. 267 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,640 Shortly after his conviction, 268 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,320 he was sectioned under the Mental Health Act. 269 00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:28,280 During the trial, 270 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,120 Erskine is reported to have behaved really quite inappropriately. 271 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,600 Whilst in the dock, he was seen to be giggling and laughing 272 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,920 and speaking to himself, and there was also a point 273 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,960 where he was observed to be masturbating within the dock. 274 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,320 That behaviour really is telling 275 00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:50,880 of somebody who is experiencing a mental illness. 276 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,320 Erskine was diagnosed with a personality disorder 277 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:59,560 as well as his chronic schizophrenia and goes to Broadmoor. 278 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:06,080 On arrival at Broadmoor, Erskine's symptoms were assessed. 279 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:10,880 Erskine would have been in quite an acute state of mental illness, 280 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:16,280 so he would be extremely destabilised, really quite paranoid, 281 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,640 mistrusting of the people around him. 282 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:25,280 He talked about experiencing what's called command hallucinations 283 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,560 that commanded him to undertake certain actions, 284 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,360 to do certain things. 285 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:36,080 I think the key thing with his experience of psychosis 286 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:39,360 is that he was completely out of touch with reality. 287 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,600 So I think he would have presented as being quite challenging. 288 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,880 At Broadmoor, Erskine received therapeutic treatment. 289 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,680 Doctors will generally utilise evidence-based interventions, 290 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,600 such as cognitive behavioural therapy, schema therapy, 291 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,040 dialectical behaviour therapy, and these are evidence-based therapies 292 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,440 that we know that will impact mental illness. 293 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,200 Erskine's mental illness was also treated with medication. 294 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,160 In general, schizophrenia is responsive to medication. 295 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,320 These are not just tranquillisers, they are very specific 296 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:17,160 antipsychotic, anti-schizophrenic medications. 297 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,400 And in 90% of cases of schizophrenia, 298 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,960 they're going to produce an improvement, 299 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,480 often a very dramatic improvement. 300 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:27,640 Certainly my experience, 301 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,600 if you remove from the picture the acute mental illness, 302 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,080 give them some medication, basically, 303 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:35,320 the risk practically disappears. 304 00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:39,480 You can't believe when they first came in, how they presented, 305 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:45,440 how destructive, how aggressive, to turn out... 306 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:46,960 where you think, "My gosh, 307 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,200 "they've gone through all that therapy and medication, 308 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,000 "and look at them now." 309 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,640 It's just unbelievable, really. 310 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,800 And that's what keeps you going as a nurse. 311 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,760 In order to be considered eligible for discharge from Broadmoor, 312 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,920 a patient's entire clinical team has to be in agreement. 313 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,480 Everybody that's had input with that patient would have their say, 314 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,800 a long, long process. 315 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:17,440 And then once everybody in that team are satisfied, 316 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:18,800 they go to a tribunal. 317 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,760 Introduced in 1983, 318 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,480 a mental health tribunal is an independent panel of experts 319 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:31,200 who meet in a special tribunal suite to assess patients at Broadmoor. 320 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,360 All patients, including Erskine, have the legal right 321 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,240 for their detention under the Mental Health Act to be considered 322 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,120 at a tribunal hearing once a year. 323 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,360 It's essentially a small court of law 324 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,800 which considers whether the criteria for detention are still met. 325 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:53,480 There's a judge, a medical member and a lay member. 326 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,360 The Mental Health Review Tribunal either says, 327 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,120 "Yes, we're gonna lift the hospital order 328 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,520 "and leave the restrictions in place." 329 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,920 Or, "No, we don't agree that this person is ready." 330 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,240 For Joshua, regular dialogues with his clinical team 331 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,320 helped him keep his recovery on track. 332 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,680 But every release from Broadmoor Hospital has its risks. 333 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:41,680 And when things go wrong, the results can be deadly. 334 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:46,360 He games the system. He is indeed duly released from Broadmoor. 335 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,760 Then he embarks on what can only be called a killing spree. 336 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,000 Broadmoor Hospital houses some of Britain's most violent criminals. 337 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,880 So it's no surprise that 338 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,440 many patient discharges come under intense scrutiny. 339 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,400 Whenever somebody is discharged from hospital, 340 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,480 it is on the balance of risks, really. 341 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:22,960 You can never be certain of what's going to happen in the future. 342 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,480 There is a risk that... 343 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,640 that violence might erupt again. 344 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,240 I think there's pressure in Broadmoor to make sure 345 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,040 that any patient they discharge was completely safe. 346 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,080 But human behaviour is so unpredictable. 347 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:04,760 If you release someone 348 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:09,800 on the theory that they have been cured or rehabilitated, 349 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,160 and they proceed to kill again, 350 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,400 then you are hanged by public opinion and by the media. 351 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,560 And the most notable example of that, of course, is Graham Young. 352 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:30,080 In 1962, Graham Young was convicted of poisoning members of his family 353 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:34,400 by slipping the dangerous chemical thallium into their tea. 354 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,280 After being diagnosed with psychopathic traits, 355 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,640 the Teacup Poisoner was sent to Broadmoor. 356 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,880 He was just 14 years old. 357 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,200 He had taken a fascination with chemistry, 358 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,640 and he started off by killing his stepmother 359 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,680 and trying to kill his father and sister. 360 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:59,280 In Broadmoor, he was rather a weird, creepy man. Sort of remote figure. 361 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,000 Sort of on the periphery of everything. 362 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,360 Nobody drank any tea that he'd prepared. 363 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:12,160 After just two years in Broadmoor, Young set his sights on freedom. 364 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,760 He was determined not to spend any longer 365 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,360 in Broadmoor than he can help it. 366 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,800 So he games the system. 367 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:25,480 He was very, very capable of saying the right things, 368 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,840 appealing to the authorities in the correct manner. 369 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,400 I believe that he was thinking to himself, 370 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,640 "I can groom Broadmoor to my advantage. 371 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:38,240 "Convince the authorities that I am actually rehabilitated, 372 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,240 "regardless of what is in my mind." 373 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:46,160 In the 1960s, there were no mental health tribunals. 374 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,800 Young only had to convince his psychiatrist that he was reformed. 375 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,200 The psychiatrist petitions the Home Secretary on his behalf, 376 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:59,600 saying he's given up his mischievous interest in poisons and violence. 377 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:00,960 The truth was rather different. 378 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,600 I think he wrote a letter to his sister at one point, 379 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,360 saying, "Your friendly local Frankenstein 380 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,360 "is about to be released again." 381 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,680 That is Graham Young... in a nutshell, 382 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,840 "your friendly local Frankenstein". 383 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,920 In 1971, just nine years after his arrest, 384 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:24,160 Young's wish was granted, and he was allowed to leave Broadmoor Hospital. 385 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,080 It appears that he was discharged prematurely 386 00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:30,960 by persuading his psychiatrist and the Broadmoor authorities 387 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,840 that he was fully reformed. 388 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,960 He was only a young man. So he was discharged. 389 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,440 They helped him to get a job in a photo development shop. 390 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,960 He has access to poisons, including thallium. 391 00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:49,080 Within just weeks, Young began poisoning his colleagues 392 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:53,680 in his trademark manner by lacing their tea with thallium. 393 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:58,240 He embarks on what can only be called a killing spree. 394 00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,880 Not only tried to kill his own family, 395 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,280 but now he's killing random people he works with. 396 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,320 One by one, Young's colleagues began to fall ill. 397 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:07,640 Many were hospitalised. 398 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,200 The police began an investigation, 399 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,760 and the Teacup Poisoner couldn't resist the limelight. 400 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:20,760 He took great delight in going to the police press conferences 401 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,240 about the number of people who were becoming sick in his workplace. 402 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,240 And he showed an abnormal interest, 403 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,000 so much so that the police picked up on him quite quickly. 404 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,400 And then when they checked on his background, 405 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,760 they found out that he'd been in Broadmoor for poisoning 406 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,200 and had recently been released. 407 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,000 By the time Young was caught, two of his colleagues were dead 408 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,000 and several more were critically ill. 409 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,680 When Young is re-arrested in November 1971, 410 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,040 he's attempted to poison no fewer than 70 people. 411 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,880 He has thallium in his pocket. 412 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,720 He has a diary which notes exactly what dose is given to whom. 413 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:08,200 So, of course he was arrested and convicted and returned to prison. 414 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,880 The revelations about Young caused a national outcry. 415 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,080 I think Broadmoor was hugely damaged by Graham Young's release. 416 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:20,280 He's incarcerated for one set of crimes, 417 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,040 is released and then does exactly the same thing all over again. 418 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,320 The Graham Young discharge led to public inquiry 419 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:32,800 as to how he could be released and then kill again. 420 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,840 I don't think any country in the world could produce a better record 421 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,240 than our doctors in Broadmoor, 422 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,080 but the best doctor in the world can occasionally make a mistake. 423 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:44,560 That's where the tribunal can come in handy, really. 424 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,720 Because if there's a serious difference of opinion, 425 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,520 a judge, an independent doctor and a social worker 426 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,640 can take a look at both sides and decide. 427 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,000 The Young inquiry led 428 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,760 to the reform of the psychiatric hospital system nationally 429 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,320 and eventually the introduction 430 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:05,720 of high, medium and low secure psychiatric units. 431 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,440 Today, these units form 432 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,400 a vital part of the discharge process for every patient. 433 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,360 No-one goes straight from Broadmoor to the outside world. 434 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,440 Young was probably the most chilling 435 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,680 and the most compulsive serial killer 436 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,040 we've created in this country. 437 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,160 I don't think he could stop poisoning. 438 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,720 I think he would have gone on as long as he could get away with it. 439 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,240 Graham Young's psychopathy meant that he was able to come across 440 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,240 as calm, sane and rational. 441 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,720 This helped him fool his Broadmoor psychiatrist. 442 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:51,080 Psychopaths don't appear, on the face of it, 443 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,480 to be mentally unwell. 444 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,840 They can plan, they can organise, 445 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,840 they can, you know... they can think rationally. 446 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,360 They display very charming behaviour 447 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,160 because they knew that that's what was required. 448 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,200 So they were able to manipulate particularly their psychiatrists 449 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:16,360 because that person held the key to them being discharged. 450 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,200 The challenge for Broadmoor's doctors becomes even more acute 451 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,160 when a patient has been convicted of violent, notorious crimes. 452 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,880 With the people who've committed 453 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,360 very serious and particularly high profile offences, 454 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,240 you are playing with quite high stakes in this. 455 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:40,320 And the stakes don't get much higher than with the Stockwell Strangler. 456 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,440 After 21 years at Broadmoor, 457 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,120 in 2009, Erskine appealed his conviction. 458 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,000 The Court of Appeals reduced the murder conviction 459 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,600 to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility. 460 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,120 Appeal judges heard new medical evidence proving 461 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,240 Erskine had been suffering from severe schizophrenia 462 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,440 at the time of the killings. 463 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,200 With his conviction reduced, 464 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,920 Erskine's future was now largely in the hands of his Broadmoor doctors. 465 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,640 But should a man guilty of seven killings ever be set free? 466 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,960 So, Erskine would have to really demonstrate compliance 467 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,880 with treatment and that medication. 468 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,760 He would have to demonstrate an insight into his violent offending 469 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,000 and the factors that led to that and contributed towards that. 470 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,080 Seven killings. 471 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,600 I mean, a man who clearly suffers from some kind of disease. 472 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,840 I think it's a very difficult thing to decide what you should do 473 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,440 with someone like Kenneth Erskine. 474 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,280 I hesitate to say lock them up and throw away the key, 475 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:51,960 but I am profoundly cautious about releasing someone like Erskine 476 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,600 so that they may soon taste freedom 477 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,320 because I fear that they may commit the same crimes again. 478 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,000 But Erskine has appeared to be making progress with his recovery. 479 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:08,200 In 2016, he was transferred from Broadmoor to Thornford Park, 480 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,440 a nearby medium-secure unit. 481 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,880 I think it can be difficult for people to understand sometimes 482 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,480 that somebody who has done something really horrendous 483 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,840 can ever be safely discharged into the community. 484 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,080 But once you give them some medication, 485 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,440 get the illness under control, you're often left with someone 486 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,000 who actually presents very little, if any, risk to anybody. 487 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,000 And it's very important to recognise that in those circumstances. 488 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,520 Now one of Britain's most prolific serial killers 489 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,680 is reportedly eligible for day release. 490 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,880 It's a very interesting arc 491 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,840 for this extraordinarily violent, vicious man 492 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,400 to go through a period of rehabilitation 493 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,440 with the help of Broadmoor. 494 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,920 I think the fact that Erskine is now in a lower security environment 495 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:07,640 is, to some extent, a reflection of Broadmoor's success. 496 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,680 Probably they regard it as a success. 497 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,440 I suppose it gives you hope. 498 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,440 It's important to know that there's always a chance, 499 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,880 no matter what they've done, it's really important. 500 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,120 There's always a chance that in the future, 501 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,520 they will be able to be released. 502 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:28,280 There will be freedom for them in the capacity that they can feel, 503 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,760 that actually, they can go the other side of the wall. 504 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,320 The mission of Broadmoor is to... 505 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,720 ..exercise and practice therapy 506 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,800 so that people can get better. 507 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,360 The patient is going to be back out in society, 508 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,840 living with us as our neighbours. 509 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,960 Shouldn't we invest everything so that they are restored in some way, 510 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,000 so that we can continue to live in harmony? 511 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,000 That's a challenge, 512 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,280 to start looking at bringing somebody back out into society 513 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,640 because you're there to protect the society as well, 514 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,160 protect the public. 515 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,040 That's a duty of care. 516 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,120 But there's the crux of the debate. 517 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,320 The public want to be protected. 518 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,920 They do not see Broadmoor's role as rehabilitation. 519 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,400 They say we just simply don't want those dreadful, dangerous men 520 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,880 anywhere on the streets. 521 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,440 It's a conflict. 522 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,680 And Erskine precisely captures the conflict. 523 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,760 Whether Kenneth Erskine will ever be completely free remains to be seen, 524 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,320 but one of Broadmoor's most infamous residents 525 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,760 was content to stay there forever. 526 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,080 Ronnie Kray, in many ways, 527 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,120 Broadmoor was probably the ideal place for him. 528 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,520 He was content in Broadmoor. 529 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,160 He had everything he wanted. 530 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,640 I think one of the Krays once called it cushty. 531 00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:11,320 NARRATOR: The majority of patients released from Broadmoor Hospital 532 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,120 pose little threat to the British public. 533 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,280 But no patient goes straight from Broadmoor to the outside world. 534 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,720 They are first sent to medium-secure units 535 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,120 outside the hospital. 536 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,120 Patients in medium security 537 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,640 are granted access to certain privileges. 538 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,240 The security is always there, but relaxed. 539 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,920 A lot more relaxed. 540 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,920 The move from Broadmoor to a medium-secure unit 541 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,800 can be a momentous day for both patients and staff. 542 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,440 I felt good about the ones I'd helped get to that stage, 543 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,080 and you get a shake of your hand and say, 544 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,720 "Thanks for looking after me." 545 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,320 And you think, "Yeah, OK, it's been worth it." 546 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,520 The best thing for myself personally as a nurse, 547 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,160 the fact that you do see a day coming 548 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,560 where somebody eventually gets transferred. 549 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:37,240 It just gives me so much joy to see somebody leaving. 550 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,920 And they've got a whole life out there to live. 551 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,920 But life after Broadmoor can be difficult. 552 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:50,160 After years inside, the outside world can be a disorientating place. 553 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,560 They haven't seen a car for ten years, 554 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,320 haven't been to the pub, 555 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,240 haven't been out for a meal or a walk in the park. 556 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,040 It's so different for them, you know. 557 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,320 Once transferred to a medium-secure unit, 558 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,720 escorted trips are an option, but they can be challenging. 559 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,320 Even fully discharged patients remain in contact 560 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,760 with Broadmoor staff, 561 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,600 staying in touch in case any problems arise. 562 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,480 People would be discharged, 563 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,640 and it would be part of my job to supervise them in the community. 564 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,600 They couldn't just go out to the shops, 565 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,960 they couldn't form normal social relationships 566 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,800 like the rest of us could. 567 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,600 You'd hear examples of people in their own flat 568 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,560 looking around for somebody to ask for permission to go to the toilet. 569 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:22,160 Really institutionalised and very, very difficult to adapt. 570 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,400 When I was at Broadmoor, one of the patients 571 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,680 who was being prepared for discharge 572 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:35,200 was taken out to Reading on a shopping trip on a train. 573 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:40,000 During the journey, he was very anxious and very agitated, 574 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,680 and at one point, he stood up on the train and fell over. 575 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,520 The train was moving so fast, he'd never been used to such speed. 576 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,520 For some patients, the prospect of living an independent life 577 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,480 outside Broadmoor is too much to handle. 578 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,360 There is a minority of people who don't have families 579 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,920 who looked upon us as part of the family. 580 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,320 There was one lady who was finally discharged, 581 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,400 and she was banging on the gates to come back in. 582 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,720 That says a lot, really, doesn't it? 583 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,800 Not all patients get discharged from Broadmoor. 584 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,880 In fact, not all patients want to be discharged. 585 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,800 Sometimes, patients and staff come to recognise 586 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,920 that Broadmoor is simply their final home. 587 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,240 GEOFFREY: Ronnie Kray, there's no question about it. 588 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,120 In many ways, Broadmoor was probably the ideal place for him. 589 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,880 Convicted of murder, 590 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,560 The East End gangster Ronnie Kray was sent to Broadmoor in 1979 591 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,800 after being diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. 592 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,880 Ronnie Kray was not entirely sane. 593 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,000 He was by far the most dangerous of the two twin brothers, 594 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,240 and he was very much a loose cannon. 595 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:30,720 Kray's friend, Maureen Flanagan, made regular visits to Broadmoor. 596 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,800 He had his black moods, 597 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,480 where he told me when he first woke up in the morning, 598 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,600 he knew it was gonna be a bad day. 599 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,760 He thought he was going down a tunnel, 600 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,160 and at the end of it was bloodshed. 601 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,320 Once hospitalised, 602 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,600 crazed schizophrenia was treated with medication. 603 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,480 He started freaking out, and he felt he wanted to attack. 604 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:57,720 And that's what had to be subdued in Broadmoor and regulated. 605 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:58,960 And it was. 606 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,640 He's been injected many times and sedated. 607 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,920 They call it the liquid cosh. 608 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,360 And sometimes, it takes him days to get over that. 609 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:14,480 Over time, the gangster's fearsome persona diminished. 610 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,800 Author Bernard O'Mahoney recalls meeting Kray in Broadmoor 611 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,520 for the first time. 612 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,240 I went into the visiting room. 613 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,840 I was looking for really big guy, 614 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,800 jet black hair and inky black eyes. 615 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,320 And this little guy 616 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,680 in his immaculate suit sort of waved at me, you know? 617 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:36,960 I thought, "That can't be him." 618 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,840 He was like a little old man, do you know what I mean? He... 619 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,360 He wasn't intimidating to me at all. 620 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,920 But, er, I think he was quite happy where he was, to be honest. 621 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,000 He knew. He knew exactly what was wrong with him, 622 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,400 and he knew he'd never come out. 623 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,320 When Maureen organised a petition 624 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,600 to try and get the Kray twins released, 625 00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,360 Ronnie intervened. 626 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,320 He said, "Take my name off of the petition." 627 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,920 I went round to the East End. I got 10,000 signatures. 628 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,000 He said, "Take it off. I'm never gonna leave." 629 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,360 There is no doubt, too, that some of the criminal community 630 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,640 regarded Broadmoor as a holiday camp. 631 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,080 A soft option, a lovely place to go. 632 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,640 I think one of the Krays once called it cushty. 633 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:29,760 But Broadmoor was the one place, I think, that Kray felt comfortable. 634 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,480 He became more calm, more happy. 635 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,680 He was content in Broadmoor. 636 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:39,280 He had everything he wanted. Number one, his room. 637 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:46,360 His room became to look like his bedroom in his mother's house, 638 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,600 with the little desk there with these pictures 639 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,040 and the single bed here and the rug on the floor and the curtains. 640 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,400 He played his opera. He loved to listen to Maria Callas. 641 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,240 I think he felt, "I can make sense of this, 642 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,680 "and I can make a life for myself." 643 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:10,600 He was a very notorious gangster indeed. 644 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,000 But perhaps, at Broadmoor, he found an element of peace. 645 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,400 Peace, too, has descended on the Berkshire countryside. 646 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,120 The Broadmoor sirens have been decommissioned 647 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,880 and replaced with a high-tech text-alert system. 648 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,520 In 2019, the entire hospital was redeveloped, 649 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,600 transforming Broadmoor into an institution 650 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,120 fit for the 21st century. 651 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,240 PAUL DEACON: The new hospital that is built is now right beside 652 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,440 the old Broadmoor Hospital. 653 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,600 Very modern. 654 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:53,120 Lovely conditions inside. Activities. 655 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,480 Technology. Completely different. 656 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,360 All those things are very crucial to somebody 657 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,200 who's going through mental health problems. 658 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,600 Nobody chooses to have mental health issues. 659 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,440 Who on earth would choose that? 660 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,880 So I would say support them. 661 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,520 And take a minute, surely, just to stop 662 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,520 and talk to somebody who you can see they're troubled. 663 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,840 "Are you OK? Do you need a hand?" 664 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,640 Or, "You look upset. What can we do for you?" 56468

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