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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:24,916 Hello? 2 00:00:24,940 --> 00:00:26,996 You know my name and what I do, right? 3 00:00:27,020 --> 00:00:28,206 Yes, I do. 4 00:00:28,230 --> 00:00:32,006 You are, what we would classify as a whistleblower. 5 00:00:32,030 --> 00:00:34,176 Yes, that would be exactly what I am. 6 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,990 Have you, spoken in front of congress? 7 00:00:37,490 --> 00:00:39,596 Yes, I have. Behind closed doors, of course. 8 00:00:39,620 --> 00:00:41,386 Nothin' in a public setting yet. 9 00:00:41,410 --> 00:00:44,806 Right. I want to be able to share this with the world, but I need proof. 10 00:00:44,830 --> 00:00:51,026 I could take you to one of these locations that could prove that this stuff exists. 11 00:00:51,050 --> 00:00:52,880 So what are we talking about exactly? 12 00:00:53,380 --> 00:00:55,946 Antigravity, advanced weapons systems. 13 00:00:55,970 --> 00:00:58,196 There are technologies out there that exist 14 00:00:58,220 --> 00:01:01,536 that is far more remarkable compared to just transportation. 15 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,166 Sounds like you're indicating that the us military and its contractors 16 00:01:05,190 --> 00:01:07,326 are able to reproduce this stuff on their own. 17 00:01:07,350 --> 00:01:12,296 Yes, they have, and they've been doing that successfully for over 50 years. 18 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:15,836 I mean, how... how can we help you break this story? 19 00:01:15,860 --> 00:01:19,386 Is there a way that we can move forward and have some solid proof 20 00:01:19,410 --> 00:01:22,346 that would convince anybody that what you're saying is true? 21 00:01:22,370 --> 00:01:26,306 Well, I... I'm working on it. It's a very hard place to be. 22 00:01:26,330 --> 00:01:29,646 I have to respect the safety of these insiders as well as myself 23 00:01:29,670 --> 00:01:31,476 and anybody associated with this. 24 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:33,800 And this also includes you, George. 25 00:01:40,220 --> 00:01:42,826 There is enormous amount of evidence 26 00:01:42,850 --> 00:01:45,956 to suggest that we do have a nonhuman intelligence 27 00:01:45,980 --> 00:01:47,890 interacting with us on this planet. 28 00:01:52,610 --> 00:01:56,336 We don't know where they're from. They can do things that we can't do. 29 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:57,796 Our military knows 30 00:01:57,820 --> 00:02:01,216 that there is an intense, ongoing interest by whatever they are 31 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,426 in our most sensitive installations. 32 00:02:03,450 --> 00:02:05,226 Wow! What is that? 33 00:02:05,250 --> 00:02:08,040 This is real, and I'm right in the middle of it. 34 00:02:08,830 --> 00:02:12,290 My name is George knapp. People know me as the ufo reporter. 35 00:02:13,090 --> 00:02:16,106 I've covered this story from pretty much every angle 36 00:02:16,130 --> 00:02:19,856 for probably longer than any other mainstream journalist in the country. 37 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,866 All we want to know is what's going on. 38 00:02:21,890 --> 00:02:25,616 I didn't come into this topic as some sort of a ufo believer. 39 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:27,616 I always approached it as a news story. 40 00:02:27,640 --> 00:02:30,286 But after talking to eyewitnesses... 41 00:02:30,310 --> 00:02:33,836 What's going on up there could be the most important event in history. 42 00:02:33,860 --> 00:02:36,796 The experts... Extraterrestrial hypothesis 43 00:02:36,820 --> 00:02:41,466 is entirely viable and, in my view, reasonable. 44 00:02:41,490 --> 00:02:44,280 And following the evidence all over the world, 45 00:02:44,870 --> 00:02:47,830 it's impossible for me to explain it all away. 46 00:02:48,870 --> 00:02:51,856 But for so long, the truth has been kept under wraps 47 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,686 because of social stigma and government secrecy. 48 00:02:54,710 --> 00:02:56,896 Someone said, "you open your mouth, 49 00:02:56,920 --> 00:02:59,236 and that's the end of your retirement pay." 50 00:02:59,260 --> 00:03:02,340 People who came forward could face real consequences. 51 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,326 The government has lied to us about ufos, has withheld information, 52 00:03:06,350 --> 00:03:10,786 has spied on ufo organizations, and has discredited ufo witnesses. 53 00:03:10,810 --> 00:03:11,916 It was very brutal. 54 00:03:11,940 --> 00:03:13,586 Some of the tactics they used 55 00:03:13,610 --> 00:03:17,006 hurt me both professionally and personally, to be quite frank. Yeah. 56 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:21,426 I was banging my head against a brick wall for at least 20, 25 years, 57 00:03:21,450 --> 00:03:24,006 trying to get this topic into the mainstream. 58 00:03:24,030 --> 00:03:26,006 And it seemed like a lost cause. 59 00:03:26,030 --> 00:03:28,306 But now, the whole playing field has changed. 60 00:03:28,330 --> 00:03:31,346 We're looking at all types of anomalous phenomena. 61 00:03:31,370 --> 00:03:34,056 And even congress are now takin' this seriously. 62 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,476 It's probably the most credible ufo sighting in history. 63 00:03:36,500 --> 00:03:39,106 But the closer the public gets 64 00:03:39,130 --> 00:03:43,380 to the crashed saucers, to the bodies, the harder the pushback is gonna be. 65 00:03:44,430 --> 00:03:48,236 We need to get beyond that obvious question, "are ufos real?" 66 00:03:48,260 --> 00:03:49,850 To what really matters. 67 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:51,706 Why are they here? 68 00:03:51,730 --> 00:03:53,480 And what do they want from us? 69 00:03:55,690 --> 00:03:57,320 We can handle it, can't we? 70 00:04:06,700 --> 00:04:08,596 So, we're on our way to klas-TV. 71 00:04:08,620 --> 00:04:11,976 That's the place where I've worked since 1981. 72 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,960 My day job for 43 years has been a reporter at klas-TV Las Vegas. 73 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,960 - I'm ready when you are. - We are ready. 74 00:04:20,460 --> 00:04:21,606 In three, two... 75 00:04:21,630 --> 00:04:24,736 Area 51 still reigns as a contradiction in terms, 76 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,616 the world's best-known secret base. 77 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,866 What whiz-bang tech might be brewing out there in the shadows? 78 00:04:29,890 --> 00:04:31,720 George knapp, 8 news now. 79 00:04:32,310 --> 00:04:35,730 I had no idea when I moved here what Las Vegas was all about. 80 00:04:36,230 --> 00:04:40,046 I didn't know there was a place called area 51, or a Nevada test site, 81 00:04:40,070 --> 00:04:41,916 the most nuked place in the world. 82 00:04:41,940 --> 00:04:44,450 Didn't know about nellis air force base. 83 00:04:44,950 --> 00:04:48,806 So many secrets are hidden here, some of which have come to light. 84 00:04:48,830 --> 00:04:51,240 But most are still shrouded in mystery. 85 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,186 Ufos found me, instead of the other way around. 86 00:04:56,210 --> 00:04:58,960 They walked in the door at klas one day. 87 00:04:59,460 --> 00:05:03,590 A guy named John lear, whose father, bill lear, had developed the Learjet. 88 00:05:04,090 --> 00:05:07,590 He walked into the station with this big stack of documents. 89 00:05:08,390 --> 00:05:10,116 He put 'em on the desk of my boss 90 00:05:10,140 --> 00:05:12,616 and said, "this is the biggest story of your career." 91 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,666 "It's about the ufo cover-up. It's gonna make you famous." 92 00:05:15,690 --> 00:05:18,206 My boss read four or five pages, 93 00:05:18,230 --> 00:05:21,086 pushed the pile back, and said, "this can't be true." 94 00:05:21,110 --> 00:05:23,480 "If it were true, I'd already know about it." 95 00:05:25,190 --> 00:05:28,310 Before lear left the station, I said, "hey, let me take a look at that stuff." 96 00:05:30,580 --> 00:05:33,136 At the time, I produced a little talk show. 97 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,226 I decided to see if lear would do the show. 98 00:05:35,250 --> 00:05:37,516 And I put him on and just let him go. 99 00:05:37,540 --> 00:05:40,726 I got really interested in this about two years ago. 100 00:05:40,750 --> 00:05:43,210 My father saw a ufo, and my brother did. 101 00:05:44,340 --> 00:05:47,510 And he out... comes, spilling this amazing story. 102 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:50,026 George, I'll give you the bottom line. 103 00:05:50,050 --> 00:05:52,536 I have found out that the government has retrieved 104 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,326 between ten and 15 actual flying saucers. 105 00:05:55,350 --> 00:06:00,836 They have between 30 and 50 alien bodies, in cryogenic storage. 106 00:06:00,860 --> 00:06:04,230 They represent at least five different civilizations. 107 00:06:04,900 --> 00:06:06,546 Initially, I was skeptical. 108 00:06:06,570 --> 00:06:09,410 But as soon as it aired, the public started calling. 109 00:06:10,070 --> 00:06:11,886 It was absolutely astonishing. 110 00:06:11,910 --> 00:06:15,056 And I saw this huge saucer-shaped vehicle. 111 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,226 Yes, there has been an alien visitation. They're here. 112 00:06:17,250 --> 00:06:20,606 I do know what I saw. It wasn't a plane. Wasn't a helicopter. 113 00:06:20,630 --> 00:06:25,066 I started getting dozens, then hundreds of messages, then thousands. 114 00:06:25,090 --> 00:06:28,356 And eventually, over time, people inside the government, 115 00:06:28,380 --> 00:06:31,816 people who really did know the secrets started talking to me and trusting me. 116 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:34,076 This is something that we should be studying. 117 00:06:34,100 --> 00:06:36,786 A lot of the information that was shared with me, 118 00:06:36,810 --> 00:06:38,576 I sat on for a long time. 119 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,060 But nothing stays secret forever. And eventually, the dam broke. 120 00:06:43,980 --> 00:06:46,956 December 2017, the New York times comes out with a story 121 00:06:46,980 --> 00:06:51,046 that revealed the existence of a previously unknown government program 122 00:06:51,070 --> 00:06:53,070 that investigated ufos. 123 00:06:54,870 --> 00:06:57,266 Right after the New York times story comes out, 124 00:06:57,290 --> 00:07:00,516 congress starts having hearings behind closed doors, 125 00:07:00,540 --> 00:07:03,816 hearing from witnesses, under oath, about ufos. 126 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:07,106 If we have things flying over our airspace that is not ours, 127 00:07:07,130 --> 00:07:09,356 do not coordinate with us, doesn't belong there, 128 00:07:09,380 --> 00:07:11,470 that is the definition of danger. 129 00:07:12,090 --> 00:07:14,026 And last year, we started getting hints 130 00:07:14,050 --> 00:07:16,536 from members of congress that they wanted to have a hearing, 131 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,140 and they were looking for good witnesses, and they asked for help lining them up. 132 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,836 These were some of the most decorated high-ranking officials 133 00:07:23,860 --> 00:07:26,206 to ever go public about ufo encounters. 134 00:07:26,230 --> 00:07:29,626 These objects were approaching some of the security guards at rapid speeds 135 00:07:29,650 --> 00:07:30,836 before darting off. 136 00:07:30,860 --> 00:07:33,216 It completely disabled the radar on the aircraft. 137 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,636 It's far beyond, actually, our material science 138 00:07:35,660 --> 00:07:37,056 that we currently possess. 139 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,596 If you believe we have crashed craft, 140 00:07:39,620 --> 00:07:42,646 do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft? 141 00:07:42,670 --> 00:07:46,066 Biologics came with some of these recoveries, yeah. 142 00:07:46,090 --> 00:07:48,776 Were they, I guess, human or nonhuman biologics? 143 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,196 Nonhuman, and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge 144 00:07:52,220 --> 00:07:54,816 on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program. 145 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,486 Dave grusch testified that there are crash-retrieval operations, 146 00:07:58,510 --> 00:08:00,866 that there is a reverse-engineering program, 147 00:08:00,890 --> 00:08:05,166 that we've recovered technology that's beyond anything that we have. 148 00:08:05,190 --> 00:08:08,360 All those rumors we've been hearing for years? It's true. 149 00:08:08,940 --> 00:08:11,240 And I had a front row seat for the whole thing. 150 00:08:11,740 --> 00:08:13,716 I know I saw in the crowd there George knapp. 151 00:08:13,740 --> 00:08:16,570 Breaking area 51. He's the reason I knew about that. 152 00:08:17,700 --> 00:08:20,596 The window is now open wider than it's ever been before 153 00:08:20,620 --> 00:08:22,726 to tackle these big questions. 154 00:08:22,750 --> 00:08:26,646 So I'm putting my decades of knowledge, connections, and special access 155 00:08:26,670 --> 00:08:28,476 to carve out a new path, 156 00:08:28,500 --> 00:08:31,880 figuring out why they're here and what they want from us. 157 00:08:32,470 --> 00:08:36,066 This is the opportunity I've been waiting for for 37 years, 158 00:08:36,090 --> 00:08:38,050 and I intend to make the most of it. 159 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,906 This is serious. It's been serious for a long time, 160 00:08:40,930 --> 00:08:42,970 and it's been ignored for way too long. 161 00:08:48,940 --> 00:08:52,166 So, I had this phone conversation out in the desert the other day 162 00:08:52,190 --> 00:08:55,796 with a guy who wants to remain anonymous, but I figured out who he is. 163 00:08:55,820 --> 00:08:56,990 I know the name. 164 00:08:57,570 --> 00:09:00,556 I ran this name past somebody that I've known for a long time 165 00:09:00,580 --> 00:09:03,426 and whose judgment I trust to see if he's the real deal, 166 00:09:03,450 --> 00:09:05,790 if we could confirm anything of what he said. 167 00:09:06,290 --> 00:09:07,920 And it turns out we did. 168 00:09:08,830 --> 00:09:11,066 The guy I asked said this, 169 00:09:11,090 --> 00:09:13,066 "I think he's a genuine guy." 170 00:09:13,090 --> 00:09:15,856 "He did indeed speak to the hill 171 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,946 and to the Pentagon's new office investigating ufos called arrow." 172 00:09:19,970 --> 00:09:22,496 So two of the things that that witness told us. 173 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,810 And this guy I know says both are true. 174 00:09:26,230 --> 00:09:27,376 He seems legit. 175 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,860 The next thing I want to do is set up a meeting. 176 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,780 But he's not ready to commit to that yet. 177 00:09:35,990 --> 00:09:38,216 So, in the meantime, I'm gonna focus my attention 178 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,926 on the biggest question at hand. 179 00:09:39,950 --> 00:09:41,620 Why are they here? 180 00:09:42,370 --> 00:09:45,636 To start, you have to look at the behaviors that people have observed 181 00:09:45,660 --> 00:09:47,960 time and again all around the world. 182 00:09:48,460 --> 00:09:51,356 Ufos are often spotted over military sites, 183 00:09:51,380 --> 00:09:54,130 so they could be coming to monitor our capabilities. 184 00:09:55,010 --> 00:09:57,196 They seem to be interested in our food supply 185 00:09:57,220 --> 00:10:00,986 and occasionally instigate close encounters with humans, 186 00:10:01,010 --> 00:10:05,496 as if they're trying to understand who we are and why we live the way we do. 187 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:06,996 There it is again. 188 00:10:07,020 --> 00:10:09,456 Most of the time, they only reveal themselves 189 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,456 to one person or a small group for a brief moment. 190 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,586 And then they disappear. 191 00:10:14,610 --> 00:10:16,756 Sometimes, they make their presence known 192 00:10:16,780 --> 00:10:19,200 to thousands of people all at the same time. 193 00:10:19,700 --> 00:10:23,080 Is this a show of force or an attempt at communication? 194 00:10:24,870 --> 00:10:28,250 Whatever this phenomena is, it's smart. It's smarter than us. 195 00:10:28,750 --> 00:10:31,556 This might be more of an intelligence operation 196 00:10:31,580 --> 00:10:36,686 to gather disparate series of threads into some kind of a... a unified tapestry 197 00:10:36,710 --> 00:10:39,066 that explains the phenomena we've been witnessing 198 00:10:39,090 --> 00:10:40,720 for the past 70-plus years. 199 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:44,366 And the first thread I want to pull on is a new lead 200 00:10:44,390 --> 00:10:48,036 in one of the most widespread ufo mysteries of them all. 201 00:10:48,060 --> 00:10:50,600 Animal mutilations. 202 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:53,916 Today, nearly 15,000 mutilation reports 203 00:10:53,940 --> 00:10:55,376 have been received. 204 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,586 Most often, the phantom surgeons remove sex organs, 205 00:10:58,610 --> 00:11:01,426 udders, rectums, eyes, or ears. 206 00:11:01,450 --> 00:11:04,886 The animal mutilations is maybe the most perplexing part 207 00:11:04,910 --> 00:11:07,596 of the whole larger ufo picture. 208 00:11:07,620 --> 00:11:09,476 These things have happened all over the world. 209 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:11,896 The carcasses are usually drained of blood, 210 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,146 but blood is rarely found on the ground. 211 00:11:14,170 --> 00:11:15,726 There are occasional burn marks, 212 00:11:15,750 --> 00:11:18,880 and the cutting is performed with scalpel-like precision. 213 00:11:23,220 --> 00:11:27,326 I started looking into animal mutilations in the late '80s. 214 00:11:27,350 --> 00:11:31,100 We had a rash of cases in Nevada, in my home state. 215 00:11:32,020 --> 00:11:34,286 And to this day, we don't know who's doing it, 216 00:11:34,310 --> 00:11:36,206 and we don't know why they're doing it, 217 00:11:36,230 --> 00:11:39,666 but strange aerial activity has been reported 218 00:11:39,690 --> 00:11:44,006 in conjunction with these mutilations since the beginning of the phenomena. 219 00:11:44,030 --> 00:11:46,756 Scattered stories of carved-up livestock 220 00:11:46,780 --> 00:11:48,596 and strange lights in the sky 221 00:11:48,620 --> 00:11:50,976 date back to the 1890s in the us, 222 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,726 but it wasn't until the early 1970s that a pattern began to emerge. 223 00:11:55,750 --> 00:11:59,316 What's the deal? Are they harvesting cows? 224 00:11:59,340 --> 00:12:01,486 Are they doing their own kind of investigation 225 00:12:01,510 --> 00:12:03,656 or a survey of our food chain? 226 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:06,866 Are they messing with us to see how we'll respond? 227 00:12:06,890 --> 00:12:08,576 We don't know the answers to this, 228 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,746 but it does seem to be some sort of a symbiotic connection 229 00:12:12,770 --> 00:12:15,576 between things in the sky that are unidentified 230 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,666 and these strange mystery mutilations 231 00:12:17,690 --> 00:12:21,440 that have happened all over North America, all over the world. 232 00:12:23,740 --> 00:12:26,950 The lead I'm following up on today is open and active. 233 00:12:27,620 --> 00:12:29,466 Ranchers in this part of Oregon 234 00:12:29,490 --> 00:12:32,120 have been reporting these strange mutilations. 235 00:12:32,790 --> 00:12:37,000 There's a sheriff named Jeremiah Holmes who's been looking into these cases. 236 00:12:37,590 --> 00:12:41,106 And like so many other lawmen all over North America 237 00:12:41,130 --> 00:12:44,566 who've tried to get to the bottom of this, this guy is perplexed. 238 00:12:44,590 --> 00:12:47,946 I'm hoping that by coming to help investigate this mystery, 239 00:12:47,970 --> 00:12:51,196 we can get a better understanding of why this keeps happening. 240 00:12:51,220 --> 00:12:53,730 And we need to consider all possibilities. 241 00:12:55,270 --> 00:12:59,246 So I decided to ask a close contact, Doug laux, to meet me out here 242 00:12:59,270 --> 00:13:01,780 and to hopefully help come up with some answers. 243 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,086 I'm a former CIA case officer. 244 00:13:05,110 --> 00:13:08,256 In Hollywood parlance, they would call that a spy. 245 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,886 During my time in the agency, I was an undercover field operative. 246 00:13:11,910 --> 00:13:15,476 You're going to live a life of lies and a life of alias, 247 00:13:15,500 --> 00:13:18,186 but, it helps you to smoke out 248 00:13:18,210 --> 00:13:20,840 when people are lying to you pretty quickly. 249 00:13:22,670 --> 00:13:25,526 What impresses me about Doug is his boots-on-the-ground experience. 250 00:13:25,550 --> 00:13:27,616 I mean, he's put it all on the line. 251 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,526 He knows about counterintelligence and the tricks of the trade. 252 00:13:30,550 --> 00:13:31,866 - Good to see you. - Same. 253 00:13:31,890 --> 00:13:35,496 He's not a ufo guy, so he still has a set of fresh eyes 254 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,036 and can look at this world 255 00:13:37,060 --> 00:13:39,626 in ways that maybe it's hard for me to look at it anymore. 256 00:13:39,650 --> 00:13:41,690 - Thanks for meeting with us. - You bet. 257 00:13:44,110 --> 00:13:47,676 We were told that you, were in ranching. 258 00:13:47,700 --> 00:13:49,756 - Before you were in law enforcement. - I was. 259 00:13:49,780 --> 00:13:52,886 And maybe you had some experience with this whole mutilation mystery before. 260 00:13:52,910 --> 00:13:54,596 - I did, yeah. - What happened? 261 00:13:54,620 --> 00:13:59,186 So, in 2004, I was working on a ranch down in southern Oregon, 262 00:13:59,210 --> 00:14:03,316 and, during my time there, there was, several mutilations. 263 00:14:03,340 --> 00:14:05,316 I think I know the answer, but were they solved? 264 00:14:05,340 --> 00:14:06,340 No. 265 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,406 How many reports has your department received? 266 00:14:09,430 --> 00:14:14,366 Since our first case in 2019, I believe that was, 267 00:14:14,390 --> 00:14:17,156 we've had a total of five. 268 00:14:17,180 --> 00:14:18,706 Were there any similarities 269 00:14:18,730 --> 00:14:22,036 between the five reports that you've had where you can go, 270 00:14:22,060 --> 00:14:25,086 "this might be the same individual who's doing these five things"? 271 00:14:25,110 --> 00:14:27,126 So, the reproductive organs are gone, 272 00:14:27,150 --> 00:14:30,466 ear was gone, tongue was gone, nose was gone. 273 00:14:30,490 --> 00:14:32,990 Usually, part of the cheek was razor cut. 274 00:14:33,660 --> 00:14:36,056 There's some that say, "well, we have the predators, 275 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,096 we have the cults, we have the extraterrestrial." 276 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,710 There's some that'll say it's the government. 277 00:14:41,580 --> 00:14:44,226 People have been trying to debunk animal mutilations 278 00:14:44,250 --> 00:14:46,396 since they were first reported. 279 00:14:46,420 --> 00:14:47,566 Ranchers in new Mexico, 280 00:14:47,590 --> 00:14:50,566 when there first became sort of an epidemic of mutilations, 281 00:14:50,590 --> 00:14:53,196 cows and... and, sheep and horses, 282 00:14:53,220 --> 00:14:55,680 they hired a former FBI agent to come in. 283 00:14:56,350 --> 00:14:57,996 It was a whitewash. 284 00:14:58,020 --> 00:15:00,036 He did minimal investigations 285 00:15:00,060 --> 00:15:03,746 and came back with a report that has been cited over and over again. 286 00:15:03,770 --> 00:15:05,046 "Yeah, these are predators." 287 00:15:05,070 --> 00:15:08,416 "These are coyotes and mountain lions doing this." It's not. 288 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,966 Coyotes don't cut things up with a scalpel. 289 00:15:10,990 --> 00:15:13,756 Some people like to say it's gotta be devil worshipers. 290 00:15:13,780 --> 00:15:17,346 Well, where are these laser-wielding beelzebubs? 291 00:15:17,370 --> 00:15:18,910 How do they keep from getting caught? 292 00:15:19,500 --> 00:15:22,346 Ten thousand cases, and not one of 'em has ever been caught. 293 00:15:22,370 --> 00:15:25,186 Those are some pretty stealthy devil worshipers. 294 00:15:25,210 --> 00:15:28,066 No lawman wants to say, "maybe it's aliens." 295 00:15:28,090 --> 00:15:30,187 That, you know... you don't wanna say that. 296 00:15:30,211 --> 00:15:30,776 Right. No. 297 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,866 But there's something weird going on here. 298 00:15:32,890 --> 00:15:37,656 I mean, as an investigator, we can't investigate anything with a slant 299 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,166 'cause then we could have the potential of ignoring evidence 300 00:15:41,190 --> 00:15:42,576 that may say something else. 301 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,996 The why sometimes answers the who. 302 00:15:45,020 --> 00:15:49,190 And so, if we don't have a why, it doesn't help us find a who. 303 00:15:49,780 --> 00:15:53,176 I know ranchers don't always like to come forward when these things happen. 304 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,926 Who do you have who might talk to us? 305 00:15:54,950 --> 00:15:59,596 Dave hunt was the first... He had the first case that I had. 306 00:15:59,620 --> 00:16:03,226 Didn't really want to talk about it right at first. 307 00:16:03,250 --> 00:16:06,816 But, since then, he's been more, open, 308 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,146 and it might be somebody you guys can talk to. 309 00:16:09,170 --> 00:16:12,106 I know that, Grant county, 310 00:16:12,130 --> 00:16:15,696 harney county, crook county, deschutes county 311 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,760 recently, have all had cases. 312 00:16:19,930 --> 00:16:24,326 I'm definitely not going into this investigation making any assumptions. 313 00:16:24,350 --> 00:16:28,086 But if I start to see patterns, it's not a coincidence. 314 00:16:28,110 --> 00:16:29,336 It's a pattern. 315 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,916 So, what's causing this repetition? 316 00:16:31,940 --> 00:16:33,506 Why is this happening? 317 00:16:33,530 --> 00:16:36,386 Something is effectuating this to happen. 318 00:16:36,410 --> 00:16:37,780 And I wanna know what it is. 319 00:16:42,910 --> 00:16:45,266 Sergeant Holmes helped us secure two different leads 320 00:16:45,290 --> 00:16:49,726 on recent cattle mutilation incidents that are around 200 miles apart. 321 00:16:49,750 --> 00:16:53,276 I'm gonna look into one of Wheeler county's open cases, 322 00:16:53,300 --> 00:16:55,776 while Doug's gonna meet with a former ranch manager 323 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:56,906 in harney county. 324 00:16:56,930 --> 00:16:59,696 He's outside sergeant Holmes's jurisdiction, 325 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,706 but the case made waves all across law enforcement 326 00:17:02,730 --> 00:17:04,140 in eastern Oregon. 327 00:17:05,310 --> 00:17:08,376 We're just pulling into burns, Oregon, right now. 328 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,860 Not the easiest town to get to, I'll tell you that much. 329 00:17:12,820 --> 00:17:15,176 I have a contact here named Colby. 330 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,620 He experienced directly firsthand cattle mutilations. 331 00:17:20,330 --> 00:17:23,676 There's nothing better you can do than come directly to the source 332 00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:26,000 and get it straight out of the horse's mouth. 333 00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:31,936 From what I've heard of Colby, he's not really a believer in aliens, 334 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:33,356 and I can appreciate that, 335 00:17:33,380 --> 00:17:36,816 but the very fact he's willing to speak with me at all, 336 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,340 that means this guy really wants answers. 337 00:17:40,300 --> 00:17:41,406 Colby? 338 00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:43,246 - Good morning. Doug? - Doug laux. 339 00:17:43,270 --> 00:17:45,036 - Yeah. How are you? - Nice to meet you. 340 00:17:45,060 --> 00:17:48,496 - Appreciate you meeting me this early. - Absolutely. Happy to have you here. 341 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,456 My name is Colby Marshall. I grew up right here, in harney county. 342 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,126 My family's been in this community for about six generations. 343 00:17:56,150 --> 00:17:58,136 I'm raising my kids here now. 344 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,846 I'm gonna lay these out on the tailgate here. 345 00:18:00,870 --> 00:18:05,556 We had five range bulls that were murdered and mutilated 346 00:18:05,580 --> 00:18:08,516 within a 24-hour period of time. 347 00:18:08,540 --> 00:18:12,816 Right up in here is where my cowboy found the first bull, 348 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,460 which was really a weird situation. 349 00:18:16,170 --> 00:18:20,446 But then after he found the second bull, we knew something was goin' on. 350 00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:23,156 - Same day, two bulls? Yeah. - Exactly right. 351 00:18:23,180 --> 00:18:24,866 We contacted the state police. 352 00:18:24,890 --> 00:18:26,576 We contacted the forest service. 353 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,866 We got in touch with the county sheriff, 354 00:18:28,890 --> 00:18:32,956 and we had them all come out and try to find forensic evidence 355 00:18:32,980 --> 00:18:36,966 that... that would lead us to somebody that had perpetrated the crime. 356 00:18:36,990 --> 00:18:40,820 Including offering a $25,000 reward. 357 00:18:41,530 --> 00:18:43,216 It didn't yield anything. 358 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,716 It'll be interesting to go and take a look at what we'll see. 359 00:18:45,740 --> 00:18:47,176 Well, I'd like to see it in person, 360 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,080 so if you're ready, I mean, let's hop in and do it. 361 00:18:56,590 --> 00:19:00,026 Just made it over to a town called fossil, Oregon, to meet Dave hunt. 362 00:19:00,050 --> 00:19:04,616 According to the sheriff, Dave hunt is solid as the rock of Gibraltar. 363 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,326 Absolute solid citizen. He spent his entire life here. 364 00:19:08,350 --> 00:19:11,916 He's a fifth-generation rancher, lived on this land for 70 years. 365 00:19:11,940 --> 00:19:14,996 It took us a while to talk him into speaking with us about it. 366 00:19:15,020 --> 00:19:16,376 His neighbors are the same way. 367 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,416 It's at least a dozen of his neighbors 368 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,836 that we know of that have had similar cases. 369 00:19:20,860 --> 00:19:24,176 They're not trying to become celebrities or start a podcast. 370 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:25,926 They want this to go away. 371 00:19:25,950 --> 00:19:28,766 I've chased these kind of stories all over North America, 372 00:19:28,790 --> 00:19:30,686 and a lot of ranchers don't wanna talk about it. 373 00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:35,186 Yeah, it's kind of tough to talk about when you're born and raised around cattle, 374 00:19:35,210 --> 00:19:38,436 and you know everything they do and everything that can happen to 'em, 375 00:19:38,460 --> 00:19:41,526 and then you see something that isn't normal. 376 00:19:41,550 --> 00:19:44,576 You just, like, want to sit on it for a little bit. 377 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,366 So, tell me about your animals, which ones you lost. 378 00:19:47,390 --> 00:19:49,406 The bull happened in December. 379 00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:52,666 The cow happened the following June or July. 380 00:19:52,690 --> 00:19:54,836 I'm not the only person it happens to. 381 00:19:54,860 --> 00:19:57,876 There's, you know, in John day and seneca and antelope. 382 00:19:57,900 --> 00:20:01,376 - And, you know, they're all around. - How many total do you think in this area? 383 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,086 A lot. Fifteen, 20. 384 00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:04,466 Over what period of time? 385 00:20:04,490 --> 00:20:07,556 In the last four years. Three, four years. 386 00:20:07,580 --> 00:20:09,976 I understand that you've had some other weird stuff 387 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,726 that happened preceding this. 388 00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:16,516 I don't know what caused 'em, but we have a series of crop circles 389 00:20:16,540 --> 00:20:18,606 that come in the field. 390 00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:22,776 They're in a pattern, and they kind of come and go. 391 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,816 In the spring, you can see 'em really good. 392 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,076 And they happened about... Around about the same time. 393 00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:32,866 Any strange things in the sky, that you associate with this? 394 00:20:32,890 --> 00:20:34,576 Yeah, I have. I've seen 395 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,956 I'm gonna call it a... unidentified flying object. 396 00:20:38,980 --> 00:20:41,166 - Describe it. - It was round. 397 00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:46,136 It had green rectangle windows around the middle 398 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,426 and round red ones around the top. 399 00:20:48,450 --> 00:20:50,016 How long was it sittin' there? 400 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,766 Long enough for me to go get a rifle to shoot at it. 401 00:20:52,790 --> 00:20:55,436 - Did you shoot? - No, because this is a funny story. 402 00:20:55,460 --> 00:20:58,226 It's still sitting there, right? And my wife called me, 403 00:20:58,250 --> 00:21:01,276 and I came out, I looked at it, and I go, "I'm gonna shoot it." 404 00:21:01,300 --> 00:21:05,106 So, I've got a rifle, and the funniest thing, 405 00:21:05,130 --> 00:21:08,866 because it's sitting right there, and as soon as I put the scope on it, 406 00:21:08,890 --> 00:21:10,010 disappeared. 407 00:21:10,510 --> 00:21:11,327 Just vanished? 408 00:21:11,351 --> 00:21:13,640 Did not go up, down, left, or right. Gone. 409 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,416 I'm not surprised to hear that there's ufo activity 410 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,416 in association with these mutilation cases 411 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,706 because that's been reported all over the world. 412 00:21:21,730 --> 00:21:23,966 But some of the other aspects of this mystery 413 00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:27,046 that we've just had unveiled to us today, 414 00:21:27,070 --> 00:21:28,676 crop circles, right out here. 415 00:21:28,700 --> 00:21:32,386 These gigantic circles that appear out of nowhere in their pasture. 416 00:21:32,410 --> 00:21:35,886 And then for the next couple of years, the grass, the hay that grows there 417 00:21:35,910 --> 00:21:38,646 is bigger and stronger than anything around it. 418 00:21:38,670 --> 00:21:39,936 Where did they come from? 419 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,236 Why aren't there other government agencies here investigating this? 420 00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:45,736 Is it because they don't believe the witnesses? 421 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,470 Or they're not surprised? 422 00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:51,116 Show me where this happened? Where the cow and the bull were found? 423 00:21:51,140 --> 00:21:52,140 All right. 424 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,296 - I know the price of bulls. - Right. 425 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,546 I mean, you're talking at least $5,000 or $10,000. 426 00:22:03,570 --> 00:22:08,546 Each one of those hits is about a $20,000 cost. 427 00:22:08,570 --> 00:22:13,096 If somebody totals your car, and it's worth $20,000, 428 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:15,226 you're gonna be really furious about that. 429 00:22:15,250 --> 00:22:18,186 What if somebody totals five of your cars? 430 00:22:18,210 --> 00:22:20,016 The most probable cause 431 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,436 is Colby's got enemies, and somebody just cost him 100 grand. 432 00:22:23,460 --> 00:22:27,066 - That's right. - Of course, the question becomes why. 433 00:22:27,090 --> 00:22:31,026 Have you ever considered, like, something more, like, paranormal? Or 434 00:22:31,050 --> 00:22:34,656 I'm sure people have asked you, because people made claims it was aliens. 435 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,536 - Right. - Do you have any thoughts on that at all? 436 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,206 I don't... I don't think it's aliens per se. 437 00:22:41,230 --> 00:22:44,166 I think it is a group of individuals. 438 00:22:44,190 --> 00:22:47,086 I don't have any preconceived notions. 439 00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:48,676 I know a lot of people do. 440 00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:51,966 And the more you can provide to prove your situation, 441 00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:54,426 obviously, the more I'm gonna get on your level, 442 00:22:54,450 --> 00:22:56,216 the more I'm going to believe you. 443 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:01,250 Especially if we're talking about things that might seem outlandish at first. 444 00:23:03,540 --> 00:23:07,816 When the cowboy found the first bull, it was right here. 445 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,446 God! I was not expecting the bones to still be here. 446 00:23:11,470 --> 00:23:12,550 Yeah. 447 00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:16,560 Walking up, and I'm seeing the bones in front of me, 448 00:23:17,060 --> 00:23:18,246 this is surreal. 449 00:23:18,270 --> 00:23:21,876 The animal was laying there with no genitalia. 450 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:24,286 All the reproductive organs have been removed 451 00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:27,900 with no other harm to the animal at all. 452 00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:32,046 Not to be crass, but why do you want bulls' balls? 453 00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:33,846 You can get 'em from a butcher for free. 454 00:23:33,870 --> 00:23:37,176 There was no blood around the animal or on the carcass. 455 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,976 And even to the point that the carcass over the next months 456 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,846 sort of melted into the ground. 457 00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:46,000 It wasn't torn apart by the scavengers or anything. 458 00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:53,406 Just doing math in my head, it's gonna have 50 liters of blood. 459 00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:55,616 - Correct. - That's a hell of a lot of blood. 460 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,786 That's right, and it's gonna make a mess. 461 00:23:57,810 --> 00:23:59,180 - I mean, a lot. - Yes. 462 00:24:00,060 --> 00:24:04,076 I mean, how do you do that without, like, spilling a single drop? 463 00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:07,706 Then that means that this bull had to be exsanguinated beforehand. 464 00:24:07,730 --> 00:24:09,966 Before they removed its genitalia, 465 00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:12,046 they would have had to have pulled all its blood. 466 00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:13,070 Yeah. 467 00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:21,766 Right here, you can see just right underneath those trees, 468 00:24:21,790 --> 00:24:24,476 that is the bones of the second mutilated bull. 469 00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:26,080 I see it from here, yeah. 470 00:24:28,170 --> 00:24:32,566 Just like the first bull that we saw, Doug, we can walk up here. 471 00:24:32,590 --> 00:24:36,156 We can see there's still bones here. 472 00:24:36,180 --> 00:24:38,486 No scavengers, no predators 473 00:24:38,510 --> 00:24:42,866 got to this animal and tore it into pieces and drug it all over the place. 474 00:24:42,890 --> 00:24:45,876 These bones are just clean. 475 00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:51,376 They're not all gnawed and chewed up, and they're not all broken into pieces 476 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,376 by coyotes and other critters. 477 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,836 - By teeth. - Right. 478 00:24:54,860 --> 00:24:56,596 This just has to be, then, 479 00:24:56,620 --> 00:25:00,346 that the scavenger animals smelled something, 480 00:25:00,370 --> 00:25:04,266 and it's just innate in them that they knew not to touch this meat. 481 00:25:04,290 --> 00:25:06,306 - What, there's five, right? - That's correct. 482 00:25:06,330 --> 00:25:09,936 So, I mean, they were untouched as well by, like, scavengers. 483 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,566 - That's right. - So... 484 00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:16,616 There's no such thing as coincidence. I mean, this didn't happen in a vacuum. 485 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,026 - There's just no way. - Yeah. Absolutely. 486 00:25:19,050 --> 00:25:21,576 What kind of gives me goosebumps the most 487 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,310 is how complex it was and that no mistakes were made. 488 00:25:25,690 --> 00:25:29,786 I understand why people believe that aliens are responsible. 489 00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:35,046 The one thing that I am certain of is that there was a purpose to this. 490 00:25:35,070 --> 00:25:38,086 Someone or something forced this to happen, 491 00:25:38,110 --> 00:25:41,120 and this is an extremely advanced operation. 492 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,920 This is the pasture right here that we keep these bulls in. 493 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,680 We'll just stop right up here. 494 00:26:00,510 --> 00:26:02,116 So, this is the location. 495 00:26:02,140 --> 00:26:03,746 - It's right here? - Right here. 496 00:26:03,770 --> 00:26:06,036 So, this bull is laying right here, 497 00:26:06,060 --> 00:26:09,576 with his face pointing that way, with his front feet out. 498 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,416 It laid in a position I've never seen a bull or a cow lay in. 499 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,586 Then there's no tracks, and there's no blood. 500 00:26:16,610 --> 00:26:19,506 His nose is gone, his lips are gone, 501 00:26:19,530 --> 00:26:23,056 his tongue is gone, his ears are gone, 502 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,096 his tail is skinned. 503 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:28,396 All precision... I call 'em laser cuts. 504 00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:29,846 They're heat cuts 505 00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:33,566 because the hair's curled like it's singed right by the cuts. 506 00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:36,356 We're talking about a time of year this ground is covered with snow? 507 00:26:36,380 --> 00:26:38,856 - Yeah, four inches. - Four inches of snow. 508 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,406 - Yeah. - And there are no tracks. 509 00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:42,196 There's no tracks. 510 00:26:42,220 --> 00:26:43,366 And no blood. 511 00:26:43,390 --> 00:26:44,616 Not one drop. 512 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,020 That animal had no blood in him. 513 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,036 My vet, she said probably the only way 514 00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:54,336 you could get all of the blood out of the animal 515 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:56,456 was to bleed it while it's alive 516 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,626 so that the animal pumps all the blood out. 517 00:26:59,650 --> 00:27:01,926 - That's a horrible way to go? - Yeah. 518 00:27:01,950 --> 00:27:03,466 I know the rest of my bulls 519 00:27:03,490 --> 00:27:06,306 that were in this pasture were petrified to death. 520 00:27:06,330 --> 00:27:08,636 They were scared to death, and my bulls are never scared. 521 00:27:08,660 --> 00:27:09,597 I can pet 'em. 522 00:27:09,621 --> 00:27:12,686 If you're a cowman, that'll tell you more than anything else. 523 00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:17,800 Something super weird happened to scare those bulls that bad. 524 00:27:18,970 --> 00:27:22,366 A long time ago, one of the first investigative reporters 525 00:27:22,390 --> 00:27:24,656 to look into this called it an alien harvest. 526 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,576 And I don't know that that's what it is, but it sure seems like somebody 527 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,536 is harvesting bits and pieces from cattle. 528 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,980 And it's not the same pieces that we harvest. 529 00:27:34,610 --> 00:27:37,610 This is how I found this cow, dead with her head up. 530 00:27:38,110 --> 00:27:41,990 They were about six months apart. December and then July. 531 00:27:42,490 --> 00:27:43,636 Gravity will tell you 532 00:27:43,660 --> 00:27:46,886 that that head's gonna go to the ground the instant she dies. 533 00:27:46,910 --> 00:27:51,136 Well, that cow died, and her head's still in the air. 534 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,556 - This is really weird and creepy. - Yeah. 535 00:27:53,580 --> 00:27:56,856 Why is it not a person? Why do you know it's not people? 536 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,316 I've been a cowman for 70 years. 537 00:27:59,340 --> 00:28:02,550 I know what everything looks like that can kill a cow. 538 00:28:03,050 --> 00:28:06,076 You know, and that's not one of... That wasn't there. 539 00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:12,480 You can't pick a 2,500-pound bull up and position him in that position 540 00:28:12,980 --> 00:28:15,376 and then do all the cuts and take everything off 541 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,480 and drain him of blood without leavin' a track. 542 00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:20,166 It just can't happen. 543 00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:21,296 In my opinion, 544 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,466 something picked the bull up, did all of whatever they were doing to it, 545 00:28:24,490 --> 00:28:25,756 and then set it back down. 546 00:28:25,780 --> 00:28:29,790 If whatever came in and killed this bull was leaving no tracks, 547 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:34,726 what's to keep 'em from killing ten more tomorrow, you know? 548 00:28:34,750 --> 00:28:38,066 - I mean, it'll wipe you out, you know? - Or people. 549 00:28:38,090 --> 00:28:40,026 - Yeah. - It's like a harvest. 550 00:28:40,050 --> 00:28:41,606 - It is. - Like they're harvesting. 551 00:28:41,630 --> 00:28:43,986 They are harvesting. That's what they're doing. 552 00:28:44,010 --> 00:28:47,696 They don't just come out here and kill him and leave him. 553 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,060 They harvest the part that they want off of every animal. 554 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,286 Dave actually has a son who says he's had his own experience 555 00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:58,456 with things he can't explain here. 556 00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,916 - Hi, George. - My wife, ginger. 557 00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:03,376 Ginger, nice to meet you. So, this is where you saw it? 558 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,426 Yeah. We were just driving by, and we seen a big buck, you know. 559 00:29:06,450 --> 00:29:09,136 Everybody always asks us. They want to see these big bucks. 560 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,386 So I stopped and took a video of it, right on the edge of that cut right there. 561 00:29:13,410 --> 00:29:15,846 And I didn't notice anything on it at the time. 562 00:29:15,870 --> 00:29:17,686 And later on, I showed it to somebody. 563 00:29:17,710 --> 00:29:19,766 And they asked me, "hey, what the heck is that?" 564 00:29:19,790 --> 00:29:21,396 There's something right behind it 565 00:29:21,420 --> 00:29:23,210 - can I just take a look at it? - Yeah. 566 00:29:26,550 --> 00:29:28,656 - This is the buck. - See that behind it? 567 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,430 - Something walking behind it. - Yeah. But... 568 00:29:32,140 --> 00:29:33,560 This is a wild animal. 569 00:29:34,060 --> 00:29:35,850 And they're really spooky. 570 00:29:37,940 --> 00:29:40,546 You can't get that close to it and it not know it. 571 00:29:40,570 --> 00:29:43,626 - It should have reacted. - Absolutely. It'd bolted out of there. 572 00:29:43,650 --> 00:29:45,756 So, if it was a person, that deer would have 573 00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:47,466 it would have known. It would have looked. 574 00:29:47,490 --> 00:29:48,846 You know, it's focused on me. 575 00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:51,176 And if it's that close to it, right there behind it, 576 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,136 that thing would have bugged out. 577 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,846 When you blow that up and slow it down, it gets really weird. 578 00:29:55,870 --> 00:29:58,686 Mind if I have a copy of that video and share it online? 579 00:29:58,710 --> 00:30:00,356 - Leave it. - Absolutely. 580 00:30:00,380 --> 00:30:02,896 When you add it to all the other stuff that's been going on, 581 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:03,936 it really gets weird. 582 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,736 It seems to play in with the other odd activity. 583 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,050 After this bull and the cow happened, 584 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,326 my daughter was out on the porch in the summertime at night, 585 00:30:12,350 --> 00:30:15,246 and, one of the triangular, 586 00:30:15,270 --> 00:30:18,366 three-lighted whatever they are flies over. 587 00:30:18,390 --> 00:30:22,046 She yells at me. I run in, grab my binocs. I'm looking at this thing. 588 00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:27,126 And it's low and slow, and it is quiet as a church mouse. 589 00:30:27,150 --> 00:30:28,296 - Floats over? - Yep. 590 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,546 - Could you see any insignia or anything? - I couldn't. 591 00:30:30,570 --> 00:30:35,176 It just looked like a bunch of mechanical, you know, tubing, wire, all that stuff 592 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,806 under this thing, and three big lights in the corner of it. 593 00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:40,766 Like I said, we try not to think about it a lot 594 00:30:40,790 --> 00:30:42,766 because you can't explain it, 595 00:30:42,790 --> 00:30:45,526 so let's not lose any sleep worrying about it. 596 00:30:45,550 --> 00:30:47,736 We don't get stressed about it. We just... 597 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,696 - Not much you can do. - It is what it is. 598 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,446 Law enforcement doesn't know. 599 00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:53,116 You hope it goes somewhere else. 600 00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:54,156 Absolutely. 601 00:30:54,180 --> 00:30:57,206 What looks like a humanoid walking on a hill, 602 00:30:57,230 --> 00:31:00,246 two major ufo sightings among the family members, 603 00:31:00,270 --> 00:31:04,586 two classic mutilation cases, and crop circles all in one place 604 00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:08,030 suggest there is a connection between all these strange phenomena. 605 00:31:08,570 --> 00:31:10,546 Now we need to take everything we've gathered 606 00:31:10,570 --> 00:31:12,506 and bring it to a colleague of mine 607 00:31:12,530 --> 00:31:17,120 who is uniquely qualified to help us connect the dots of why this is happening. 608 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,356 I don't think there's a person who's done more hands-on investigations 609 00:31:25,380 --> 00:31:28,066 of animal mutilation cases than colm kelleher. 610 00:31:28,090 --> 00:31:30,986 Colm has a phd. He's a biochemist. 611 00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:35,116 He's been at the scene of dozens of mutilation cases all over the world. 612 00:31:35,140 --> 00:31:37,286 He's sampled those. He's sent them to labs. 613 00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:40,076 He's had it analyzed. He's worked with veterinarians. 614 00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:42,730 He's developed some theories about what's going on. 615 00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:47,456 So, we spent a couple of days talking to ranchers and lawmen up there. 616 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,836 They've had a dozen cases in this area. At least a dozen, maybe more. 617 00:31:51,860 --> 00:31:54,296 But the ranchers, you know, they don't always report 'em. 618 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,136 Our two ranchers have different opinions as far as who's responsible for this. 619 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,476 The gentleman I spoke to in burns thinks this was done by humans. 620 00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:05,290 This guy thinks it's aliens. 621 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,526 They think the answer is there, 622 00:32:07,550 --> 00:32:11,066 that somebody from up there is visiting and harvesting. 623 00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:12,776 For what purpose? I don't know. 624 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,406 It did remind me of a field sampling operation. 625 00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:18,826 You know, I don't want to go much further than that 626 00:32:18,850 --> 00:32:24,786 because, I mean, it's really a hypothesis based on repeated patterns 627 00:32:24,810 --> 00:32:28,690 of the same tissues being removed from these animals. 628 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,926 What we found really interesting is that no predators went after these. 629 00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:36,466 And, as he said, they eventually just melted into the earth. 630 00:32:36,490 --> 00:32:39,516 - Would you say that's typical? - Yes, it is typical. 631 00:32:39,540 --> 00:32:43,056 The early days of nids, the national institute for discovery science, 632 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,186 we set up a surveillance camera on the animal 633 00:32:46,210 --> 00:32:48,646 to see if any predators showed up. 634 00:32:48,670 --> 00:32:52,486 And for two nights in a row, nothing came near the cow, 635 00:32:52,510 --> 00:32:56,066 and this was... this was a place that was full of coyotes. 636 00:32:56,090 --> 00:32:59,696 That surveillance camera did not lie. There was not a single animal. 637 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,456 Why is it so difficult, getting to the bottom of this? 638 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,376 I think the cattle mutilation phenomenon 639 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,650 is, by its nature, deceptive. 640 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,546 Whatever is doing this are incredibly skilled. 641 00:33:13,570 --> 00:33:15,296 They're surgically adept. 642 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,386 They have, equipment that is very sophisticated. 643 00:33:19,410 --> 00:33:20,966 I mean, this was a... 644 00:33:20,990 --> 00:33:26,056 A ritualistic display of raw power and finesse. 645 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:31,726 I mean, it basically is a form of psychological intimidation. 646 00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:35,420 The evidence suggests that they're always one step ahead. 647 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,076 Here's one of the thoughts that rattles around in my head at night. 648 00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:43,116 If they can do this to livestock, what does it mean for us? 649 00:33:43,140 --> 00:33:48,666 So, the cattle mutilation phenomena, it's not an encouraging sort of a sign. 650 00:33:48,690 --> 00:33:51,416 How often do they express hostility toward humans? 651 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,376 There are medical, injury cases that we've studied. 652 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,046 But you could never really define the agenda of the ufo phenomenon. 653 00:34:00,070 --> 00:34:03,176 You know, were these people just in the wrong place at the wrong time? 654 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,686 And they got injured as a result of being too close 655 00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:09,266 to a "propulsion system," 656 00:34:09,290 --> 00:34:13,816 to a directed energy weapon, or whatever caused the injury. 657 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,090 The colares, Brazil, case was very different. 658 00:34:19,090 --> 00:34:22,156 Colares island in northeastern Brazil 659 00:34:22,180 --> 00:34:26,456 was besieged for somewhere between six months and 12 months 660 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,996 by dozens and dozens of different-sized objects, 661 00:34:31,020 --> 00:34:33,480 and they were hunting people. 662 00:34:34,860 --> 00:34:36,240 You guys studied that. 663 00:34:36,740 --> 00:34:41,346 Yeah. There was an obvious intent to injure people, 664 00:34:41,370 --> 00:34:44,160 and, you know, in some cases, people got killed. 665 00:34:45,540 --> 00:34:49,146 I first heard about the colares case when I started down this path, 666 00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:51,646 back in the late '80s and early '90s. 667 00:34:51,670 --> 00:34:53,566 Even back then, it seemed weird. 668 00:34:53,590 --> 00:34:55,736 It doesn't seem to really fit the pattern 669 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,236 of what I had known about ufos by that point. 670 00:34:58,260 --> 00:35:01,696 I was reading everything I could find, but this one just didn't fit 671 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:03,100 what you see everywhere else. 672 00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:13,086 In the beginning, I wasn't necessarily intimidated 673 00:35:13,110 --> 00:35:14,706 by the idea of alien visitors. 674 00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:16,166 I thought if we could confirm it, 675 00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:18,240 that'd be the biggest thing in human history. 676 00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:24,280 As I've gone on, I've learned about some darker aspects of the phenomena. 677 00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:26,056 And colm is right. 678 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:31,056 The colares, Brazil, incident might be the most extraordinary of them all. 679 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,856 In late 1977, hundreds of people along the tocantins river 680 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,396 were attacked and injured by these things that came out of the sky. 681 00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:42,236 Some reportedly died from their encounters. 682 00:35:42,260 --> 00:35:45,276 Images of the injured people went out all over the world. 683 00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:50,366 It has become one of the best documented but least understood ufo incidents 684 00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:51,560 in all of history. 685 00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:57,780 There's been a lot of secrecy in that country, as there has been here. 686 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,126 - Thiago, how you doing? - I'm fine, George. Thank you. How are you? 687 00:36:01,150 --> 00:36:04,006 I appreciate you carving out some time for me. 688 00:36:04,030 --> 00:36:06,676 So, all the inquiries I have made about colares, 689 00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:10,306 the story is, the witnesses won't talk, 690 00:36:10,330 --> 00:36:11,976 the people who were injured won't talk. 691 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,436 Are all those still true? 692 00:36:13,460 --> 00:36:17,606 In the past, they were afraid if they talk, something could happen. 693 00:36:17,630 --> 00:36:19,936 But the stigma is changing a lot, 694 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,406 and much, much of this is because of what happened in the United States. 695 00:36:24,430 --> 00:36:28,486 The... the... the public and society, you know, pressing the government 696 00:36:28,510 --> 00:36:31,076 to disclose all the things about the ufos. 697 00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:36,440 If you go there, you can find people that have been attacked by these lights. 698 00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:39,940 This phenomena, it still happens today. 699 00:36:41,650 --> 00:36:43,126 You're saying it's ongoing now? 700 00:36:43,150 --> 00:36:45,466 They're seeing the same thing happen, 701 00:36:45,490 --> 00:36:49,410 and they're scared if what happened there in the past 702 00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:51,950 can happen now, in the present. 703 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,170 If this is going on even now, I've got to get there and investigate it. 704 00:36:59,170 --> 00:37:02,606 There's a recent contact of mine who has relevant expertise, 705 00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:04,776 and I've asked her to come over and talk about it 706 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,986 and maybe join our investigation. 707 00:37:07,010 --> 00:37:10,536 My name is vernice "fly girl" arm our. All my friends call me vee. 708 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,246 And after two tours in Iraq, 709 00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:16,456 I became america's first black female combat pilot. 710 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,336 I'm not the smartest guy in the room. 711 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,546 Among the many gaps in my expertise, aviation and aeronautics. 712 00:37:22,570 --> 00:37:26,780 I don't know any of that stuff. She's a former marine helicopter pilot. 713 00:37:27,820 --> 00:37:29,256 She knows how they operate 714 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,556 and what other kinds of craft there are, what landing lights look like. 715 00:37:32,580 --> 00:37:34,136 - Hey, vee. Welcome. - George. 716 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,306 She worked as a police officer, so she knows how to do investigations. 717 00:37:38,330 --> 00:37:40,146 She is a bit of a badass. 718 00:37:40,170 --> 00:37:42,816 You know, we've been chasing this cattle mutilation stuff. 719 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,236 - It's pretty creepy. - It is. 720 00:37:44,260 --> 00:37:46,066 For the most part, they don't attack humans. 721 00:37:46,090 --> 00:37:49,486 We're gonna look at a case where they did. This is operation prato. 722 00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:51,906 This is, an investigation in Brazil. 723 00:37:51,930 --> 00:37:55,350 Dozens of people were burned with something like lasers. 724 00:37:56,060 --> 00:38:00,336 "Abruptly making 90-degree turns, changing speed above 35,000 feet." 725 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:01,796 We don't have any technology. 726 00:38:01,820 --> 00:38:02,916 Yeah, we don't have it now. 727 00:38:02,940 --> 00:38:05,376 We sure didn't have it back then, so it's something else. 728 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,716 As a military pilot, we're trained for all types of situations. 729 00:38:09,740 --> 00:38:11,830 Traditional, nontraditional. 730 00:38:12,740 --> 00:38:14,676 How do we train for something 731 00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:18,306 that far exceeds our tactical capabilities? 732 00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:23,606 Like, it's literally defying the laws of physics and aerodynamics as we know it. 733 00:38:23,630 --> 00:38:27,106 You know, if we're ever gonna figure out the intentions, 734 00:38:27,130 --> 00:38:29,776 what do they want, what's their interest in us, 735 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,946 you have to look at the dark side as well. 736 00:38:31,970 --> 00:38:33,036 This is dark. 737 00:38:33,060 --> 00:38:35,680 So, we can go down to Brazil, see what we can find out. 738 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:37,537 Let's go. 739 00:38:37,561 --> 00:38:39,456 Did they seem to intend harm? 740 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,336 What were the capabilities of these things that were in the sky? 741 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,836 What did the Brazilian air force learn? Did they get solid physical evidence? 742 00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:50,086 If these are aliens, and they're back, why there? 743 00:38:50,110 --> 00:38:51,296 Why these people? 744 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,700 I'm gonna find out. 65070

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