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My mother found the farm for sale
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in June of 1970.
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We lived in a Cape Cod-style house
in Cumberland, Rhode Island.
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But there was something missing.
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There was something more
that Mum wanted.
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She wanted to get us
out of the suburbs
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and bring us into nature.
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But we had no idea what awaited us.
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The Conjuring is being called
the scariest movie of the summer.
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In the 1970s, Andrea Perron
and her family lived in
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the Rhode Island farmhouse
depicted in the film.
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This is one of those movies
supposedly based on a true story.
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But is it really?
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Now, the Conjuring House,
Rhode Island.
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I believe the best way to get
to the bottom of something
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is to actually investigate.
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Of course, once the movie came out,
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people were going as far as,
online, there were chats
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about maybe the house
should be set on fire,
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because it was an evil place.
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So, I wanted to go in and find out
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whether anything in the house
seemed unusual to me.
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When we moved there,
we were hopeful about the future,
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and so excited.
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But what happened in that farmhouse
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would haunt our family for
the rest of our lives.
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SHE SIGHS
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Talk about being catapulted
back 50 years.
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50 years.
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Seven dead soldiers.
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Had I not grown up in this house,
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I wouldn't believe what
happened here.
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From the moment
we moved to the farmhouse,
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I knew that there was something
very different about this place.
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The day we moved in was quite a day.
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We got Mr Kenyon loaded up.
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He was the owner of the farm.
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And, as I walked back in the house,
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he put his hand on my arm.
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And he says, "Roger,
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"this is for the sake of your
kids and your wife.
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"Leave the lights on
in this house at night."
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I didn't know what he was
talking about, so I just agreed.
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I says, "Sure, no problem.
No problem."
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Our first few months in the house
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were rather bleak and austere.
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My dad had to be away
from home a lot.
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It took everything
that they had financially
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to get into this property.
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And so, he had to go earn a living.
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I was in the jewellery business.
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I was travelling about
two days a week.
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Upstate New York,
New Jersey, Massachusetts.
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But I had to work all day,
and, a lot of times,
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till late at night.
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RADIO STATIC CRACKLES
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DOOR CREAKS
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FOOTSTEPS CREAK
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GHOSTLY CHILD SINGS
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This house was never really quiet.
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There was always a sense
that there was
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something else going on here.
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FLOORBOARDS CREAK
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We are in my bedroom.
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This was my room for ten years.
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And this was the gathering place,
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and usually, there was
at least one frightened sister
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in bed with me every night.
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In the middle of the night,
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Cindy showed up at the
side of my bed.
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She was obviously upset.
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And I asked her what was wrong,
and she said...
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.."I can't believe you
didn't hear it."
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She just looked into my eyes,
and she said,
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"They're all around my bed.
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"They're all saying
the same thing at the same time.
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"There are seven dead soldiers
buried in the wall.
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"There are seven dead
soldiers buried in the wall.
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"There are seven dead soldiers
buried in the wall."
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Over and over, and over again.
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There are seven dead
soldiers buried in the wall.
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My sisters were compelled
to come to me,
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instead of my mother,
because it always seemed like
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something was weighing
heavily on her.
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She seemed deeply
troubled by something,
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but she was not divulging
that to us.
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I had always been interested in
the field of the supernatural,
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always, since I was a young child.
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Back in 1973,
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I was 18 years old.
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I was a member of an organisation
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at Rhode Island College
called Piro...
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We were kids, you know?
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We were high school,
college-age kids,
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and we were just
following our passion.
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Piro was actually something
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I wanted to do for a long time.
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Ever since I was a little kid,
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I believed that there were things
that people just weren't aware of,
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such as spirits, UFOs,
things like that.
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- The main aim of Piro was to find
and document actual evidence
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of paranormal activity,
something supernatural.
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When we first started out,
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it was very hard
to find actual cases.
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And I wanted to find a way
where people would actually
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take an interest and contact us,
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perhaps people that
never heard of us.
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So, I thought, "Why not put
an ad in the local paper"?
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I worded it, "Things that are
not explained, maybe mysterious
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"happenings in your house,
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please contact Piro."
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I figured the worst that could
happen, it would just be ignored.
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When we got a response
as quickly as we did,
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we were all astounded.
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Carolyn Perron came to our meeting,
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and she started telling us
her stories about
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what was going on at the farm.
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And we just felt,
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"Either she's really crazy,
or this is real,
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"and we have to investigate it".
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This was my parents' room,
originally.
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I remember it as being
so much larger than it is now.
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LOUD GASP
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I woke up one morning, very early,
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and I was having this
horrendous dream of seeing
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this apparition leaning over,
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getting closer and closer,
and closer to my mother.
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And I closed my eyes, thinking,
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"This is the most horrible
dream I've ever had.
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"Please let this be over."
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About a half an hour later,
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I came downstairs.
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And there's my mother,
sitting frantically,
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writing and drawing.
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There were two black holes
for her eye sockets.
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And she had very thin lips,
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with jagged yellow teeth.
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When I saw what
my mother was drawing,
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I said to her, "I saw this.
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"It wasn't a dream."
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And she said to me,
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"Best not to tell your
sisters about this.
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"It would only scare them."
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I actually am a real investigator
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who has a career as a detective.
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Our magazine would look into
these things rather seriously.
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In other words, we don't just
dismiss them, or laugh at them,
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hoot them down, debunk them.
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No, no, we carefully
investigate them,
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with a view towards solving
something or getting to
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the bottom of something.
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I was in the house,
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from cellar to attic.
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And I'm looking to try
to explain anything that I can.
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For example, Carolyn woke up and saw
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an apparition of an old woman.
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And this is a well-known
illusion of the mind
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called a "waking dream".
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And our minds play tricks
on us all the time.
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But they were feeding each other.
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As best I can tell,
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Roger was practically never there.
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You see, there was no sceptical
figure in the entire household.
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We would have to pretty
much acknowledge...
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..that there would be
a kind of contagion effect,
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that one person would
influence the others.
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My mother felt very, very isolated.
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She did not want to expose us
to any of the incidents
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that were happening to her.
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She wanted to protect us.
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My father was non-responsive
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when it came to stories of
what was happening in the house.
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He's a very pragmatic man.
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Everything needs
to make sense to my father.
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And this didn't.
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And my father became
very sullen and withdrawn.
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We could tell that this was
preoccupying his mind.
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Over the months,
Carolyn became more into herself.
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Was starting to smoke more,
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drinking coffee, losing weight.
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CLOCK BONGS
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She claimed that
she'd been threatened...
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..that there were spirits
that were doing it.
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She claimed that she was interfering
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in the lives of the spirits.
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It was not the same Carolyn, no.
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And I would take her away
from the house at times,
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and we would walk through
the woods back here.
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And I'd get her to see things
a little bit differently.
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But when we got back to the house,
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it all repeated itself again.
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So, walking through the woods
did not help.
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I wanted to believe her...
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..but I couldn't.
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Just didn't make any damn
sense at all.
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My mother wanted to prove
to my father that this was real.
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She felt a distinctly female
presence in the house
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that did not want her there.
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And so, she was trying
to determine who it might be.
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She would get in the car,
and she would go into town,
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and she would research all day long.
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And what my mother found out was
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that eight generations of one
extended family lived,
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and some died, in this house.
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She also discovered many
of the bizarre deaths
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that had happened in the town.
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We know we have suicide by poison,
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suicide by hanging,
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suicide by cutting
their own throats...
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..the murders, the accidental
drownings, accidental killings...
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..Being burned to death,
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found dead, dropped dead,
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miscellaneous deaths...
VOICES OVERLAPPING
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Just on and on,
century after century.
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Found hanging in the barn
by a farm hand.
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Throat cut with razor.
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Frozen to death on December 17th.
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My mother was searching
archives and records
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trying to determine anyone that had
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any attachment to that farm.
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Bathsheba Sherman was not part
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of the Arnold or
Richardson families.
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And we knew nothing about her
until the town historian
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at the time told my mother
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about the legend
of Bathsheba Sherman.
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And the historian told
my mother that Bathsheba
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was an evil woman.
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And he's also the one that told her
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that she suffered
great loss in her life,
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but that she had grown old
and bitter, and mean.
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Apparently, an infant
died in her care.
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And when townsfolk accused her
of murdering the baby,
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the rumour that cropped up
almost immediately around it
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was that she was
practising witchcraft,
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and had sold her soul
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and traded the life of this baby
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to the devil for eternal
youth and beauty.
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She remained one of the suspects,
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when she probably should
have been absolved.
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She lived a long and sad life,
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and buried three of
her four children
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before the age of four.
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And they're right here beside her.
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Carolyn wanted to get us
to go to the house.
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So, she wanted to convince us
that it was worth our time
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and our trouble to go to the house.
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I felt a little nervous about going,
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because I didn't know
what to expect,
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and it was an area of Rhode Island
that I had never been in before -
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in the middle of nowhere,
as far as I was concerned.
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So, finding it was the first thing.
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Carolyn was very happy that
she wasn't alone in this any more.
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She told me that it hurt her
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that Roger was not believing her,
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and that's part of the reason
I feel that she reached out to us.
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Because she wanted to prove it,
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that this was actually happening
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and she was not crazy.
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We were introduced to all
of the family members.
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And then, before it was dark,
we were taken to a cemetery.
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Harrisville Cemetery.
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And there was the grave
of Bathsheba Sherman.
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She was the suspected witch.
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They thought maybe - it was Carolyn,
through her research -
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thought maybe this is the woman
that's haunting the house.
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The girls wanted to show me
the upstairs section of the house,
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the bedrooms where they slept.
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They take me into the main bedroom.
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They're telling me
how frightened they are.
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Right next to me is a window
that could not be closed.
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I tell them,
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"Well, why not call upon
the name of Jesus
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"when you're feeling frightened"?
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It was that split second,
that window,
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it slammed shut.
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Then, one of the sisters, Nancy,
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feels she is slapped on
the side of the head,
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the left side of the head.
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Her head actually goes back,
her hair flies up,
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and she screams, holds on to
her head, begins crying.
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I keep my concentration
and I tell them,
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"Don't be afraid.
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"It's more afraid of Jesus
than you are afraid."
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CHALK SCREECHES
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After this, we did not
stay a lot longer.
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But at that house, I was convinced
there was an evil spirit
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out to do some harm
and damage to this family.
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Within a week,
Carolyn started to say
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things were happening at the house,
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that she'd noticed an uptick
in activity.
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It came to a head when
she called me one afternoon,
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and she was frantic.
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And she started to explain
what had happened the night before.
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She had been woken up and,
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as her eyes became
accustomed to the dark,
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there was a figure at
the foot of her bed.
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And it started chanting,
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"I'll drive you mad
with fiery brooms,
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I'll drive you mad with
death and gloom.
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"But it will be too late for you,
because you'll be dead."
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And I said, "Carolyn,
when I hang up with you,
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"I'm calling Ed and
Lorraine Warren."
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I had told her who they were,
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and that I would call them
if it was necessary.
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I hung up. I called Lorraine Warren.
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She answered the phone
immediately, and she said,
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"Donna, we'll be there in two days".
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Ed and Lorraine Warren,
in the 1970s,
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were the foremost people in
the world stage of ghost hunting
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and the paranormal.
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I don't care if you want to call
it a devil or a ghost, or a demon.
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There's something in this home
which has the intelligence to
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inflict physical and psychological
harm upon this family.
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We were very excited that
we were going to have our friends
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and experts along with us.
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So, Carolyn and her family
will be in good hands.
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LOUD KNOCKING
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It was just before Halloween,
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in 1973, when Mr And Mrs Warren
came to our kitchen door.
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And they introduced themselves
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as paranormal investigators
and researchers.
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They told her that, er,
Piro had sent them.
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My mother felt comfortable
with Mrs Warren,
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but my father didn't want the
Warrens involved with our family.
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He was suspicious of them.
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And there was no trust there.
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I had nothing against
Lorraine Warren,
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but I did not trust him.
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He sounded like he was talking
from both sides of his mouth.
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And it just didn't make
much sense to me.
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Ed Warren was trying to convince me
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that the house was haunted.
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They looked like they were selling
some kind of protection.
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I felt like they were going
to hurt us more than
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they were going to help us.
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As far as I was concerned,
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I didn't need them in my house.
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And they did not warm up to me.
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They warmed up to my wife.
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Mrs Warren felt absolutely that
there was a spirit in the house
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that was trying
to take my mother over.
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And she walked over to our
old black stove in the kitchen,
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and she said,
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"I sense a malignant presence
in this house.
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"Her name is Bathsheba."
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That statement stunned my mother.
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Chances are, you have never
seen anything quite like
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the Monroe, Connecticut home
of Ed and Lorraine Warren.
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On the other hand, you probably
have never run into people
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who claim they are
real-life ghost hunters.
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Ed and Lorraine Warren were
a notorious couple.
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They loved to get attention
and to make money,
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and they were full of tricks.
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Ed, what can you do for me?
How can you help me?
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Well, it's our job to go in,
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investigate the phenomena
taking place, document it,
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photograph it, record it,
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and then, bring it
to the proper authorities -
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which, in most cases, happens to be
the religious faith of the family
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whose home we're in.
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So they show up at the Perrons',
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and they tell Carolyn that
they know Bathsheba had been there,
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was a presence. And that...
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That persuaded Carolyn that
they must really be sort of
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magical demonologists after all.
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How could she know that,
just showing up?
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Well, of course, she had already
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00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,240
picked that information up
somewhere else.
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I just despaired every time
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they hit a new family.
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You'd just wonder,
"What's all this about?
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"Is this about God and love?
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"And what would
Jesus say," you know?
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No, it's got nothing
to do with Jesus.
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It's about medieval kind of
demonology of a type
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that belongs in the Middle Ages.
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Eventually, the Warrens convinced -
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Carolyn probably didn't
need much convincing -
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that they should do a seance.
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When the Warrens arrived,
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they had a priest, a medium,
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cinematographers,
an audio specialist,
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five or six people.
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Lorraine suggested that I take
my sisters and go upstairs.
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But we didn't stay.
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00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,040
Cindy and I snuck back down
the stairway.
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The candles were lit on the table.
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There was a big old-fashioned
reel-to-reel tape.
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This door was open
only about that much,
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and the lights were off,
except for candles.
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So, they couldn't see
that we were standing here
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and watching everything
that was happening.
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I walked up the front porch,
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walked in the front door.
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I walked into the dining room,
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and there was a whole
bunch of people.
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I saw Lorraine and her husband,
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and I said, "What's going on here"?
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And my wife said,
"We're going to have a seance".
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And I says,
"Not in this house, my dear".
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00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,520
Ed was at the table.
Lorraine was standing up.
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My wife was sitting down.
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And I did not go into that room.
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00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,280
I stood right at the doorway,
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00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,440
and I says, "No, no.
I don't like this at all."
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My wife says, "Please, you don't
have to partake in this.
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"You can stay in
the living room there."
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00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,880
So, I allowed them to go ahead
and start this thing.
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00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:04,200
Within a matter of seconds,
moments...
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00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,240
..my mother's head dropped
to her chest
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and began to scream in pain.
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And that's when she started
to speak in a language
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that I didn't understand.
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00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,520
I didn't know what to think.
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00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,240
I didn't know what to think.
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00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:33,160
And then, within...seconds,
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her body, the whole...
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Her whole body was...
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Her...her knees were up
in her chin.
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She was half-sitting on the chair,
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and her arms were like
something like this.
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00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,040
It was like as if something
was pulling her arms together.
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And then, all of a sudden,
the chair left the floor
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and started moving towards me.
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And I looked at that.
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I couldn't believe my eyes.
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00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,640
And all of a sudden,
the chair came in here
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and flew at me, and landed
right in front of me,
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00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,200
right at my feet,
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and her head hit the floor.
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00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,400
Then, I looked over,
and I saw two of my daughters
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seeing this whole thing,
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00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,000
and it really bothered me.
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I didn't want the kids to look
at their mother like this.
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When her head hit the floor,
it was as though...
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00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,640
..we all thought we had
just seen her die.
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And I held her hands,
I held her head,
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I held everything.
439
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,320
And...oh, my God,
440
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,000
Mr Warren decided he was going
to come in here.
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00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,760
He grabbed me
by the back of my shirt,
442
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,200
and he's pulling on my shirt.
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00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,680
He said, "Roger, get up, get up,
get up. I'll take care of this."
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And I said, "No, no, no, no.
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"I'm going to help her."
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00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,960
And he kept pulling
and pulling and pulling,
447
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,360
and I says, "That's it! Stop!
Or else, I'm going to..."
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00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,040
And I got up, and I hit him
right in the mouth.
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And I-I'm so sorry I did that.
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My father started
screaming at all of them,
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telling them never, ever to step
foot on this property again.
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She was out cold.
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We all gathered around her.
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And, when she opened her eyes
and looked at us...
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..I think it was the most relief
I've ever felt in my life.
456
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,400
Thank you very much.
457
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,720
Enjoy. Thank you.
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I think about the events
in the Harrisville farmhouse
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pretty much every day.
460
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,080
It did make quite
an impact in my life.
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00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,280
We thought it was
a fascinating case,
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00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,880
and we were also genuinely concerned
463
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,800
about Carolyn Perron and her family.
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00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,960
I think a lot of things
could've been handled better.
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I wish a seance had not
been conducted.
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00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,080
We had talked to Lorraine and Ed
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about what Carolyn believed -
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that there was a witch named
Bathsheba in the house.
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00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:17,240
And, when Lorraine told
Carolyn about Bathsheba,
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that very much gained the trust
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and confidence of herself.
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00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,600
It was just one of those nights
473
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,720
where things all came together,
came to a head...
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..and Carolyn was very much
a victim in that.
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00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,960
So, because my name is Nickell,
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00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,880
I have used the famous
American wooden nickel
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00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,440
as my business card.
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00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,360
And my father was a talented
amateur magician,
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00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,480
and he delighted in the fact that
I became a professional magician.
480
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,560
So, it works something like this.
481
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,160
It looks solid...
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00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,360
.but it's actually made of rubber.
483
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,520
If I take it like this and
just squeeze it...
484
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,880
No, it's gone.
485
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,880
It's over here.
486
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,560
I think that magicians are
especially inclined
487
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,920
to see the world
in terms of illusions.
488
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,560
That's their business, you see?
489
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,160
And I've found that my work
in the paranormal
490
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,400
is the same kind of challenge -
491
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that is, that whatever
we're looking for,
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a ghost or a flying saucer,
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00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,680
if we can understand that that may
just be a little trick of the mind
494
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,920
or a little coincidence
of some kind,
495
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,520
the magician may be able to say,
496
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,480
"Aha! That explains what you saw."
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00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,880
Something like that.
498
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,760
After the seance,
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00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,520
we didn't do much in the house.
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00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,360
We didn't go out.
501
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,000
She went into a slight depression.
502
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,400
She went into a deep depression.
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00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,120
She disappeared.
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00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,360
This house fractured
my parents' relationship.
505
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,800
Nothing was the same.
506
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,200
Everything had changed.
507
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,480
After that night, I spent more
time at home with my family.
508
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:39,880
We have many, many,
many experiences with the...
509
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With the spirits.
510
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,840
Not long after the seance,
511
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I became entirely integrated
with the spirits,
512
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just like my family.
513
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We lived in a house among the dead.
514
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,960
And we all got used to
living together.
515
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,440
And we all existed in
the house with the spirits.
516
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My mum said, when we left here,
517
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"We can leave this farm,
518
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"but it will never leave us."
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