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REPORTER: Once upon a Christmas time in a big house on a hill,

there lived a man, his wife and their eight children.

The family filled the house with their excitement.

Presents for everyone, particularly Ghislaine,

who is five on Christmas Day and, like the baby of any family,

has daddy very much under control.

INDISTINCT CHATTER

When Father Christmas came last year,

I was fast asleep and he put...

I took my daddy's stocking away from his bedroom,

but I hanged it up on my bed and Father Christmas put some toys

in my daddy's... in my daddy's stocking.

REPORTER: Breaking news in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.

She has been convicted of helping American financier Jeffrey Epstein

sexually abuse teenage girls.

Ghislaine Maxwell just got convicted of five of six of the serious

counts against her, including the most serious counts -

sex trafficking of a minor.

REPORTER: Three of her siblings were inside there

to hear that verdict being handed down.

REPORTER: She is from a dynasty that has known disgrace

and is now disgraced herself.

REPORTER: Ghislaine Maxwell was the socialite

whose manners and magnetism attracted princes and presidents.

REPORTER: Prince Andrew was friends with both Ghislaine Maxwell

and Jeffrey Epstein during this lurid chapter of abuse.

REPORTER: The women who took the stand,

they say that Ghislaine Maxwell identified their frailties.

It was her charm and her magnetism that made them feel safe.

REPORTER: Ghislaine Maxwell faces up to 65 years behind bars.

That could potentially be the rest of her life.

The road to justice has been far too long

but today justice has been done.

The women were to take off their tops and bras

and present their breasts to the men.

It was really as if just being Ghislaine wasn't enough.

I began to see that there was a deficit there

which was being filled by being this charming host.

I said to Jeffrey, like, she has really masculine, aggressive energy.

And he said something like, "Yeah, she's got a bigger penis than me."

She ferociously slammed the table

and my court reporter looked at me and said, "I'm so scared."

We had to find massage therapists for him

and the younger the better.

I have been silent for 20 years.

I don't want to be a victim.

I remember a little girl walking downstairs crying

and she was wearing a uniform.

You know, I'm like, "Whoa, she's a kid."

And she says to me,

"They are nothing.

"They are trash."

I think there were signs that things were happening.

At what point, if she did,

did she see what was becoming of her?

BELLS RING

REPORTER: The Football League's first elected lady director

is still, in fact, a student.

She's at Balliol College in Oxford studying French and history.

My name is Michael Crick, I'm a journalist,

and more than 40 years ago I was president of the Oxford Union.

To make ends meet, I did some tutoring,

and one of my tutees was Ghislaine Maxwell.

She'd been at Marlborough,

one of our top private schools in this country.

She hadn't done as well in her A-levels as she should have done

and that's where I came in.

Ghislaine would sit there on the corner of the desk.

There was I - I was 21.

She was 17.

And she knew she was good-looking and she was very self-assured

but she was incredibly bright.

She picked things up very, very quickly.

But the problem was she just didn't do enough work.

I vividly remember her showing me one essay

that was just two-thirds of one side of paper

and I was expecting sort of seven or eight pages.

She'd probably written it in ten minutes on the bus.

There was a lot of pressure on her to succeed,

particularly as her father, Robert Maxwell,

he'd actually given money to Balliol back in the 1960s.

Oxford United have gained a reputation, justifiably,

for attractive football.

But that image is not just restricted to the pitch.

It goes all the way up to the boardroom.

And I'm delighted to welcome Ghislaine Maxwell.

Well, I actually went to a boys' school

where there were something like 1,000 boys and 40 girls

and so the few girls that were there,

we decided to get together and get ourselves a football team.

And so I played midfield for them and we were very successful as well.

I have a feeling you're a rebel till the end.

When I arrived at Oxford, she was a very well-known name.

The name Maxwell was huge in those days because of her father, Robert,

but she was also very rapidly, I think,

established as a person in her own right.

She was in the glossy magazines, she was in the newspapers.

I think there was always something fascinating about Ghislaine.

What is this person like?

What is it like to be that famous?

CHEERING

She was perceived as the child who could do no wrong.

It's just one of these things that happened,

that father has a particular favourite child.

Of course, Bob had nine children but she was the youngest

and she was totally and utterly spoilt.

And I think she was spoilt from birth.

She said to me one day, she said, "Don't forget, I'm Daddy's girl."

My name is Mike Maloney OBE

and I was personal photographer to Robert Maxwell.

HE WHISTLES

REPORTER: Robert Maxwell is one of Britain's most

influential businessmen.

He was born Jan Ludvik Hoch in Czechoslovakia

to Jewish peasants who were swept away in the Holocaust.

Today, he is the stormy petrel of the international

big business world.

Robert Maxwell now owns the Daily Mirror, the Sunday Mirror,

the Sunday People, the Sporting Life and two Scottish newspapers.

It was Bob Maxwell who introduced me to his favourite daughter.

And she was lovely.

Very young, very attractive,

but very quiet.

Almost timid.

She was literally the apple of his eye.

She'd be all lovey-dovey

and go up and snuggle up to him or give him a kiss, sit on his knee.

Things like that.

Especially if she wanted something.

Money, gifts, luxuries.

She knew how to work her father,

let's say.

And that's exactly what Ghislaine did.

The old boys' network, which leads from public school to Oxbridge

and then to the top positions of power, is under threat from within.

Undergraduates at Oxford have now started visiting state schools

in a bid to persuade more pupils to apply to go there.

The Oxford of that time was very marked still

by distinctions between class and birth and money.

I don't think she was entirely seen as being of that top drawer.

Families who'd been there for many generations.

Oxford had all these different kind of cliques.

There were the Oxford Union people,

whom really seriously wanted to go into politics.

People like David Cameron and Boris Johnson.

Ghislaine had a different group,

which were more sort of famous household names

like Hanson, Sainsbury,

and she flirted and talked to those people.

One of the first times I photographed Ghislaine,

she was at the Bullingdon Point to Point.

She was darting about, very physical, rushing around.

She was flirty with boys.

I remember clearly, I don't think she was drinking at all,

and I remember quite a few people ended up in the mud that day,

but not Ghislaine.

Ghislaine was ambitious, even within a world

in which she already sat in the glossy posse.

She wanted to make her mark.

One good thing about her not being entirely from that world

within the English class system,

I think she was very easy at talking to people.

She had this extraordinary voice -

this very sort of low voice, almost like a purr.

I think she also did quite enjoy being queen bee.

She always presented herself as more knowing.

A sort of wise counsel to probably some quite giddy people.

I met Ghislaine soon after I arrived as an undergraduate

at Oxford University.

REPORTER: The jeunesse doree of Oxford,

hell-bent on enjoying themselves.

Those of a nervous disposition should now be warned

that they may well be looking at future Prime Ministers

and Chancellors of the Exchequer and, God help us all,

a future Minister of Defence.

And there was one set of people in particular

living life to the limits.

A lot of alcohol.

There were a lot of drugs.

There was a lot of sex.

It was pretty wild.

And a lot of them had serious money.

And that's one reason I could never really be integrated.

And, at its heart, among other people, was Ghislaine.

She was a great social organiser.

She knew everybody's name.

She did draw you in quite literally,

sometimes grab you by the hand and pull you in

and say, "Right, come and meet this person,"

and so she helped you to overcome your own shyness.

So she made you feel welcome.

Even though in retrospect it's clear that I didn't really belong...

..for that moment I felt, "Oh, yeah, I'm here. I've arrived."

Hello there.

So good to see you.

Come on in. Greetings.

She was interested in sex. I mean, we have to say that. Yeah.

I do remember one evening meeting her in Jericho

at one of those little houses that students lived in

and there is Ghislaine on the sofa with her hair...

She must have been smoking. I can't remember.

This incredible eye - sort of like, zap!

You looked at her and you felt all the attention's on you,

so she managed to, even if whatever was going on behind the eyes,

you looked at her and she was completely compelling.

I was trying to chat up this very beautiful girl

and Ghislaine was very... Like a puppeteer.

"Now you should say this."

She prompted in this wonderful femme fatale-ish way,

with the cigarettes and the whole thing.

She realised that she could direct a willing sort of, you know...

She knew what to say.

Ghislaine was outwardly very confident.

But there was always that sense that there was something brittle,

vulnerable, frantic, beneath that socially confident exterior.

And I began to see that there was a deficit there

which I felt was being filled by being this charming host.

And then suddenly, it happened almost overnight.

I just couldn't take it any more.

What had seemed to me like this warm, funny, exciting,

inviting, thrilling social scene

suddenly seemed like a nightmare networking

of bright laughter and false friendship.

I could see the skull beneath the skin.

MUSIC: The Marriage of Figaro by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

There are many things to be done to set this nation

on the road to recovery.

And I don't mean economic recovery alone

but a new independence of spirit and a zest for achievement.

Around that period of the early '80s, the upper classes

were celebrating and there were lots of parties going on.

And it was also the beginnings of a sort of yuppie -

a new type of person developing who was very entrepreneurial

and selfish.

REPORTER: Today, you're proud to be a yuppie?

Yes, all right, I admit it. I'm proud to be a yuppie.

In London, I was working for the Tatler magazine.

Ghislaine was popping up at quite a few parties.

Part of the crowd that Ghislaine was in was quite a hard partying crowd -

Trinny Woodall, Susannah Constantine,

and they liked going out late and flirting with young men.

This was pretty close to the top set.

I met Ghislaine Maxwell a very long time ago, in the 1980s,

quite shortly after I first moved to London from Ireland.

London, really, for me, was like a huge ladder

going right up to the sky, a bit like Jack And The Beanstalk,

and I just, you know, was clambering

up this endless, it felt like, ladder.

And Ghislaine just happened to be one of the people

I sort of brushed up against on that path.

There was this really sparkly-eyed, very interesting, fun woman

who seemed to be the sort of life and soul of the party, in a way.

I remember being at a dinner where Prince Charles was sat next to me.

They were a sort of elite, privileged crowd,

either rich or titled or both.

It was still a pretty sexist era.

There were women who would respond very differently to men

than to their own sex. She wasn't like that, you know?

She was sort of one of the boys, in a way.

I remember Ghislaine as very beautiful, charming,

hugely entertaining but slightly manic.

I was invited as a plus one to a weekend party

at Headington Hill Hall.

Ghislaine was hosting herself.

She was always scanning the room.

At the end of the dinner,

Ghislaine announced that it was time for some games

and she disappeared and came back with some scarves,

but explained that she was going to give each of the men a blindfold

and they were to blindfold themselves

and then the women were to take off their tops and bras

and present their breasts to the men.

And then the men would feel the breasts

and make an attempt to match the breast

by weight and cup size

to the woman who was attached to the breasts.

It was all bundled up as fun. Ghislaine was very relaxed about it.

This was a gift she was giving us.

I absented myself. I excluded myself and said I was tired and left,

as did my friend.

But I was very struck by how awful that idea was.

The notion that a woman would suggest a game and...

..make it quite hard for the other women not to play

because you would have been the killjoy -

you're the one that doesn't join in, you're no fun.

I mean, that's sort of adult peer pressure.

Very difficult not to do it.

And yet if a man suggested it,

I don't think the women would have done it.

I mean, that experience really left me...

..wondering, you know, about what...

..what was going on with her.

She seemed to portray a very odd attitude to herself as a woman

and to the men around her.

It was really as if just being Ghislaine wasn't enough.

Flamboyant, vulgar,

insufferable, ruthless,

brazen, fiery,

humourless, impatient, intolerant, rude.

HE LAUGHS

And this is an authorised biographer!

And he likes you. To how much of that do you plead guilty?

I plead guilty to all of it.

Could I have one more? No, you cannot.

Jesus. Now, that's an unwelcome visitor. Fuck off.

He could bully people.

He could be a tyrant. I mean, he was a tyrant to Betty, his wife.

He was a tyrant to the boys.

Betty would talk about Sunday lunch

at Headington.

He would start picking on one of the children, berating them,

even hitting them with his belt.

And then having the audacity

to get them to write a letter of apology to him.

Ghislaine would have operated under these dreadful conditions

but a lot of it was self-preservation.

Betty also told me about Ghislaine,

that Ghislaine was the one who got away with everything.

She got away scot-free.

Ghislaine's lifestyle was lavish.

It was the best of everything.

And if you think about it,

for a girl of that age coming onto the scene,

she's got a private plane to fly her from A to B,

she's got the use of a luxury yacht.

Having observed her for a number of years,

she was quite aware of what was going on.

I think she had the ability to gloss over...

..certain parts of life and take what she wanted

and reject what she didn't want.

Bob looked at Ghislaine as if she was on a pedestal.

As if she was nothing less, frankly, than Princess Diana.

She, I felt, by contrast, looked at him with respect,

with concern, perhaps,

but also, I felt, with a degree of fear.

The voice that she used, interestingly, to Bob

was different to the voice I saw her use to other people,

certainly myself.

It was coquettish.

Perhaps it was schoolgirl-ish. It was a sort of singsongy voice.

It was a strange relationship.

I got the impression she was a bit of a blank canvas...

BOB: Get out.

..whose only sense of identity, I think,

was being her father's daughter.

I keep thinking about that in relation to Ghislaine.

If I'd had a father to whom rules never applied,

nothing really mattered or anything got in your way,

how I might have turned out.

Ghislaine was a spoilt brat.

She was abrupt, she was rude and she was demanding.

My name is Anne-Elisabeth Moutet. I'm a journalist.

I met Ghislaine when I was working for The European

as Paris Bureau Chief.

She would walk into this office.

She came like a kind of sort of small tornado

and she sort of had this hectoring voice.

The assumption was that if someone worked for her father,

that person was there to help.

She would come in and ask people to do things

that were completely unrelated to their jobs.

She would ask for her mother's car to be towed

when her mother had a problem.

Or, one memorable time, she rang up the office.

"I'm at the Ritz and it's horrible.

"I want you to call them up and to say that really they are below par."

She had energy. There was this sort of impatience about her

that could be very positive, and the negative was she was rude.

Captain, you might come and take this back

from my secretary, would you?

Throughout the time I was working there,

I saw them striving, Bob and Ghislaine.

What they very much desired was this acceptance in society.

REPORTER: Much of Britain's elitist establishment

is not amused by Mr Maxwell.

Ordinary Brits may take a shine to his rambunctious ways

but to upper-class Britain, Captain Bob and his wife

remain still nouveau riche outsiders.

I suppose it was that he was perhaps somewhat vulgar.

It was that he wanted to be a member of the establishment

but he wasn't quite.

He liked being photographed with people like Mother Teresa

or, better still, the Queen.

I think he wanted the daughter...

In a way, he wanted to live his life through her

as this sort of society figure that was accepted.

The Cicogna family is a typical aristocratic Milanese family.

These families have been around for quite a few centuries.

My name is Marina Cicogna.

Ghislaine Maxwell went out with my brother's oldest son.

She was Gianfranco's girlfriend.

Gianfranco died very young.

Gianfranco was extremely handsome.

Really, he was like a film star.

They were very nice together, you know.

She seemed to me to be a normal, nice,

well-brought-up English girl.

From what people tell me, Robert Maxwell was delighted

about the relationship.

Gianfranco was the kind of guy that he would have liked, probably,

as a son-in-law.

And I have to say, who wouldn't, you know?

He was a nice guy, he came from a good family,

he had a good education.

I think Gianfranco felt, from what I understand,

very spoilt by the Maxwell family.

I understand that if they went by a shop and he liked something,

he would find it in his room the next day,

which for a while flattered him.

I asked, why did the relationship

between Gianfranco and Ghislaine end after four years?

Gianfranco felt a little bit uncomfortable

with the fact that they were giving him presents all the time

and he felt that they felt that he could be bought.

From what I hear, he thought it was too much.

But if he had been just him and Ghislaine,

it would have been easier.

I certainly think that there was a lot of trauma there

from her relationship with her father.

I think she actually had to work quite hard to please him.

She still had to turn up, I think, at his bidding,

at Headington Hall.

I can remember Ghislaine bringing people to meet him.

Her father expected it of her.

Ghislaine would be there, I think, bringing in friends,

and a lot of the women in their 20s

and a crowd who would liven it up and make the party look great

in the pages of the sort of glossy magazines.

Have you got drinks?

And then there would be Robert Maxwell

and his publishing cronies.

Then Ghislaine would sort of bring someone to meet her father.

And the impression that you got was that whether by pre-selection

or whether she just had to choose, and I think this was her role,

who would he like to talk to? Who would he find interesting?

It was more like a court.

She was playing a part which was way older than she was.

It sounds very privileged.

I think she had to earn her father's love.

And the similarities - that desire to please a man,

a powerful man,

who also enabled her to live the way that she wanted to live...

..is really, I think, that's the thread for me

throughout all of this.

She's still... You know, she's still the same person in many ways

but I think also what has happened and what she's been involved in,

something must have changed along the way.

And I think that's the hardest thing to put your finger on here.

After Oxford,

I remember her wanting to try her hand at her own business.

She then started to fly to New York a lot

and she had a life on both sides of the Atlantic.

It was also a time when a lot of very ambitious people -

there was a bit of a pipeline from that Oxford set to New York.

I think she wanted to be seen to make a mark somewhere,

and, in a sense, having two cities at her disposal

probably suited her rather well.

The new owner of the Daily News, Bob Maxwell.

Bob. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

She was in New York, involved in trying to make something

of the paper for an American audience.

Bob and Ghislaine, they were almost like a team, the two of them.

They seemed to have their own kind of language.

They seemed to be on their own wavelength, their own level.

And I think he saw her as kind of his representative.

When I would see them together, she was very dominant.

Like a chip off the old block.

And would almost be playing a part.

Almost...

..copying her father - the way that he wanted something.

He had a particular way of going about it.

She gained that knowledge from her father

and now she was using it to her advantage with her father.

My name is Christina Oxenberg and I'm a writer.

I was at a wedding.

I was with my first husband and this was a wedding in America.

Very fancy.

And out of the crowd burst Ghislaine,

advancing on my husband.

And then she juts her generous chin my way

and says, "What is this?"

She loops her arm through husband's arm

and walks him off into the crowd.

She was clearly intent

on being the dominant member of the setting.

My first impression of her was that this is a ridiculous person

who has an inflated ego, who thinks that she can be rude

and there will be no consequences.

My name is Ken Lennox.

I'm a photographer.

I was working for the Daily Mirror at the time.

I was shown into the editor's office

and he said, "Close the door.

"What I'm going to tell you must not get out of this office.

"The old man's gone missing from the back of his yacht

"and there's a search going on for him just now.

"You're going to go up onto the roof,

"board the company helicopter.

"Your job is not to take photographs,

"it's to look after Betty Maxwell."

Good evening.

The millionaire newspaper publisher Robert Maxwell is dead.

He disappeared overboard from his private yacht early this morning

while cruising off the Canary Islands.

REPORTER: Tonight, as the Lady Ghislaine lay at berth,

the gathering of Robert Maxwell's family was completed

with the arrival of the daughter

after whom he had named his fateful yacht.

When she came aboard and met Betty, her mother, she was howling...

..about her daddy, tears streaming down her face.

She was almost incoherent at that stage.

She kept going, "My daddy, my daddy," you know?

And it was hard to listen to, you know?

It was...

..distressing.

I also want to take this opportunity...

..to thank all the many hundreds of people...

..who have sent messages of support to us

at this very, very sad time.

We are here today to bid farewell to my father, Robert Maxwell.

Ghislaine was very, very upset at the funeral.

She wasn't crying floods of tears.

You could see her head was bowed and she was in deep thought.

Was she thinking, crikey, you know, what am I going to do now?

Not only was she losing her beloved father,

she was losing a lifestyle.

Now...

..who's going to supply all that?

Good evening. The headlines at six o'clock.

Robert Maxwell's business empire is collapsing tonight.

Mirror Group Newspapers said that in the weeks before his death,

Mr Maxwell removed £350 million from its pension fund

without apparent proper authority.

REPORTER: In the four weeks since Robert Maxwell died,

it's become all too clear that he spent the past 20 years

proving those who said he was unfit to run a public company

absolutely right.

The whole Maxwell story was toxic here.

It entered a room before she did.

REPORTER: Sunday Mirror staff were not surprised to hear

that offices were bugged.

Everyone knew who she was, what had happened, who her father was.

People believed they were hateful, awful people.

A Spanish judge says Robert Maxwell's death

appears to have been accidental.

REPORTER: Speculation about the way he died has been intense.

Others want to uncover the facts of a death

which they see as suspicious.

It devastated their family

and I think it really devastated Ghislaine.

REPORTER: Loss adjusters for the insurers of Robert Maxwell's life

believe he probably committed suicide,

although they say the evidence is not conclusive.

I imagine that she went to America to get away from that.

To dump that baggage and try and be unfettered and free again and...

Yeah, that's not what happened, is it?

I'm extremely sad that my father is no longer here

and for all the difficult times

for everybody that's been involved.

But I don't feel in any way smaller or lesser than what I was before.

I remember phoning up a mutual friend who'd gone around to see her

very soon after Robert Maxwell's death

and had found her very distraught,

at home with Maxwell memorabilia, really.

Family photos, but also sort of trophies of his business life

spread around her,

and absolutely determined to oppose the version of events

that he'd committed suicide.

I always believe in the end that the truth will out

and that eventually...

..the true story, such as it is, will be...

People will know more than what they currently do.

It'll take time. It'll take time, that's all.

The next time I ran into Ghislaine,

it was New York City, in a restaurant.

She was much more demure, she was much more subdued.

There was none of that arrogance,

and I thought, be nice.

She's gone through something horrible.

Let's give her a second chance.

Some time after running into Ghislaine,

she called me and invited me to a tea party.

I remember it was a hot summer day.

She kept declaring, "I'm broke. I'm broke.

"Can you believe this has happened to me?"

But the signs didn't add up.

She's in the smartest part of town.

I mean, if I'm broke and depressed, I'm not throwing tea parties,

I'm, you know, at home in my pyjamas, crying,

like a normal person.

There were three British girls there

and then we had Ghislaine, the hostess,

and she's remarkably only wearing her panties,

but altogether shocking.

It was white, frilly bra

and underwear.

And she had paired this outfit

with a massive amount of very expensive jewellery

and a full face of make-up,

so it was clearly an intentional outfit.

She drew attention to it repeatedly

but everyone was overlooking the fact that it's completely abnormal.

None of us took our clothes off.

My takeaway was, I was right the first time I met her.

The dynamic that she's always looking for is to be in control,

to be the most important person in the room.

And if she has to strip naked to do it, she'll do it.

I didn't know Ghislaine until the night she propositioned me.

In 1992, I ran into Ghislaine at a party given by Joan Rivers

and I'm standing to the side and Ghislaine comes over to me

and within really three minutes what happened was so dazzling...

..in this one sentence, which is,

"You know, if you lose ten pounds, I'll fuck you."

The thing about Ghislaine propositioning me

when my wife was within four to five feet away

is that it was brazen.

It was, as the Brits would say, cheeky.

Talk about a power play, that was a power play.

She was seducing me.

She knew how to work a room of guys.

She was putting it out there.

If it didn't work with me, it would work on someone else, right?

I was just a notch on her belt.

It never happened to me before, it never happened to me since.

It was a complete one-off.

But then so is Ghislaine.

There are many friends and people out there who help.

You can never have too many friends or too much help

in a situation like this.

It's always been a bit of a mystery when Ghislaine Maxwell

first met Jeffrey Epstein and how,

but we know they got together when she was in New York.

She met Jeffrey Epstein and became involved in a relationship with him

very quickly after her father's death.

Epstein was probably one of them in those circles

who was respected most of all for getting very rich

and that mattered to her. I think she respected that.

And that was one of the things that drew her to Epstein.

The only sin in New York is not to have money.

Jeffrey could give really one of the best five minutes

that you're going to find at a party.

He listened to you, he didn't look over your shoulder.

In the '80s, he told me some stuff he did.

Like, sometimes he helped people get money from African despots

who had stolen their money.

And sometimes he worked with African despots

to help them keep the money they had stolen.

And I thought, interesting guy.

I saw him again in his office,

which was large and empty.

If a computer was on his desk, it was invisible.

He was a sort of lord and master.

And I said, "Jeffrey, I need to see you work."

You know, Epstein as an enigma, I mean, even close friends of his

had no idea where his money came from.

My name is Leland Nally.

I'm a writer and I know about Ghislaine Maxwell

from an article that I wrote where I called everybody

in Epstein's little black book.

The book itself is Jeffrey Epstein's personal contact book.

There's celebrities and scientists and Nobel Prize winners

and influential businesspeople

and it's a very considerable cross-section

of the global elite, essentially.

'The reason why I'm calling is because you were listed

'as a contact in his contact book.'

'I was? Oh. I thought he knew my telephone number by heart.'

Stuart Pivar was one of the first people I talked to

who actually knew Epstein in any sort of real way.

'Oh, really? So you did know him well?'

'Well, Jeffrey Epstein was my best pal for decades.'

Ghislaine came up firstly in the actual text of the book,

and also about a quarter of the people in the book,

I would estimate, knew her but didn't know Epstein.

In trying to figure out who Epstein was,

I couldn't help but figure out who Ghislaine Maxwell was as well.

'He appointed me in charge of Ghislaine while she was...

'Well, profoundly, almost suicidally...

'..erm, depressed from the death of her father.

'He didn't want her to kill herself

'so it was my job to try to amuse her,

'to take her to dinner and lunch and what have you

'until she finally came around.'

She said to someone I know well

that she felt that he'd saved her after her father's death

and I think that was partly emotional.

I'd like to think that I'll be able to do something positive,

and I can't say what it is right now

because I'm working on it, or till I've done it.

I think she wanted a reason to ground herself in New York,

in society, have a purpose there, have a life there.

That relationship with Jeffrey Epstein offered that

so she took that opportunity.

In 1993,

I had a strange little very short PR job,

and that's why I spent three months

in the company of Jeffrey and Ghislaine.

I had occasion to hear out of her mouth

an effort that she was making

to convince me that they were a couple.

But I knew that they weren't because I could see with my own eyes

that there was no reciprocity of romantic feelings.

There was no lingering looks, there was no touching on the...

Nothing. She was an employee, he was the boss.

Ghislaine's job was to bring her father's contacts,

deliver them to Jeffrey, in return for giving her the life

that she always thought she would have,

lost, and was now replacing.

One day I say to her,

"Gosh, Ghislaine, how are you keeping yourself so thin?"

And she says, "Jeffrey likes his girls thin."

"How do you do it?" And she says,

"Well, did you ever see anyone in a concentration camp

"with any weight on them?"

And she's laughing in her delivery.

And she says, "Well, they didn't eat,

"so I call it the Nazi diet. I just don't eat."

This was too important to her.

Him, the job -

everything was, like, pathologically important.

Everything was for Jeffrey.

That's when you start to realise,

"Well, what are we dealing with here?"

Because many people have lost their money,

you know, become impoverished - they don't all turn to crime.

It's not the next step.

Looking back and over the years,

I think there were signs that things were happening.

She'd just make sure that those girls were coming.

Come hell or high water, she made sure he was happy.

She says, "Jeffrey has to have three orgasms a day,"

and she says, "I drive to the trailer parks."

She tells me that she recruits three girls a day.

They began to assault me,

and they were both, like, doing it together.

But Ghislaine seemed to be the one...

..the only one enjoying it, let me put it that way.

To me, she is the reason that I was abused.

I think that I was very lost for a long time,

and I've only just really started to deal with it all.

I've kept it all secret for 20 years.

20 years.

Can you tell me one person you know, and take 20 people who know them

who don't give you different versions of what they think of that person?

The much-anticipated trial of accused Jeffrey Epstein-recruiter,

Ghislaine Maxwell, is now under way here in New York.

We'd like some answers.

Let's get this show on the road.

The prosecution says Ghislaine Maxwell lured young girls with money

and gifts and then subjected them to sexual abuse.

Her defence argues she was the one manipulated by Jeffrey Epstein

and ultimately is now the scapegoat for Epstein's crimes.

What do you know, Ghislaine Maxwell?

What do you know?

Maxwell, the daughter of a British media mogul, and Epstein's former

girlfriend, faces six criminal counts, all focused on a decade-long

period between 1994 and 2004.

The prosecution case - likely to hinge on the testimony of four

women, three of them will remain anonymous.

A fourth woman, Annie Farmer,

an American, has waived her anonymity.

It was definitely Ghislaine who asked me first

about my sister, Annie.

In 1995, I was in Palm Beach,

and I was sitting outside by the pool,

and Ghislaine was, you know, leaning on a chaise

and she said,

"Oh, it's too bad, Annie's not here with us.

"You know, it would be very nice to have her here."

They groomed me for a year to get to my sister,

to get to my mum, to you know... That's what they did.

The fact that we believed at the time that she was his wife

made us feel very safe.

We all believed that Annie would be safe with a married couple.

Like, why wouldn't she be?

I saw her, I think, a couple of years after her father's death

in New York at a party in the early evening in the Four Seasons Hotel.

She still had her world in London,

but she had moved her social...

Her operational base was New York.

She was in a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein by this time.

He was a very, sort of, active giver of parties.

And Ghislaine could fit into that life of the Upper East Side

in a heartbeat.

And I think, to her, that was an achievement.

She was making it in New York.

Every time you went to a high-flying showbiz party,

or a fashion show party, she would be there.

It's like she was the party,

because she was so glamorous,

beautifully dressed.

She would be hosting whatever party it was, even if she wasn't

the hostess,

and she would take over,

and she was the dominant person

in that party room.

She knew everybody and she could work a room brilliantly.

And it was a very noticeable difference,

from London - the early days,

to New York, where she became queen of New York.

Being a young model, you get invited to a lot of dinners or events

and, a lot of the times, the men are older,

and want to be surrounded by models.

That's sort of how it is.

I'm Lady Victoria Harvey and I first met Ghislaine in the mid-nineties.

Most of the time I'd seen her in London, then in New York,

then in LA.

For me, having a title,

being who I was, you know, that made me valuable.

I was like an asset.

She seemed to, like, thrive on introducing people

and hosting dinners.

One of the dinners I was at, you know,

Bill Clinton was there.

He was the President of the United States at the time.

It was Ghislaine who had invited me to it.

It definitely showed her power of being able to pull these people,

you know, into something that was very intimate.

And it was like, "Wow, OK, she's good.!"

And I think, Jeffrey just sort of stepped back,

and kind of let her do it.

They were like a team.

She was more social than him.

It's almost like she would bring them in, you know, to the den,

and then he would do business with them.

And she looked like she enjoyed it.

Basically everyone who knew

Epstein said something like, "Oh, I always knew

"he was into young women.

"You know, I didn't really think anything of it."

And, you know, if you're talking about, like, New York

and the eighties and nineties, like, rich billionaires,

being into young women is certainly, like, not that weird,

by any stretch.

But almost everyone knew, very specifically, that Epstein

was the guy who like, "Oh, he likes young girls."

Hello? Is this Stuart? Yes. Hey, how's it going?

I'm a writer. I'm doing a story on Jeffrey Epstein.

I was wondering if maybe you wanted to talk, if you had any interactions

with him or ever met him.

Jeffrey had no attention span, whatever.

It was about three seconds.

He would interrupt the conversation,

and change it and say things like,

"What has that got to do with pussy?"

Really? That was... Yeah, that was his favourite expression.

In other words, it was a subject changer, and it revealed

what was really in his mind.

And by chance had a partner in it, Ghislaine,

who was a basket case. Right.

The story is more bizarre than people begin to realise.

She arrived on these shores,

a depressed, dysfunctional wreck

from what happened to her, on account of her father.

Right.

And the last thing that should have happened to someone

like that is to fall into the care of the likes of Jeffrey.

Sure.

He moulded her into

being complicit with his aberrations.

I think it was a bit of an open secret that he was seeing other

women, but she didn't walk away from it,

and she wanted to remain in his life.

And if he was going to see other people,

then she would rather know

about it and, in a sense, have some say in it.

So I think that was hidden in plain sight.

I was told by a very close friend of Ghislaine

that she'd been at an event in New York,

and then Ghislaine says,

"I've got to go now, you know, see you after the event,

"because I've got to go and get some girls for Jeffrey."

It stuck in my mind afterwards,

that she thought it was her job.

So that it was like it was a duty.

And when do you stop and say,

"Hang on, this has gone from just a bit questionable or even seedy,

"to something worse?"

I met her at a dinner in New York sometime in the nineties.

It was a sort of well-heeled Upper East Side dinner party.

She looked fantastic, and I hadn't seen her for probably

nearly a decade, maybe.

She was exactly as she'd always been.

She was incredibly friendly.

"Tell me all about you.

"What have you been doing?" She kept going,

"What's it like in London? What's happening in London?"

And I said, "What are you doing here?

You know, why don't you come home?"

And she said, "Yeah."

She said, "Sometimes I think of going home."

And then she said, "But I'm involved in this relationship

"and it's really complicated."

And I said, "Why is it complicated?

She said, "It's just very complicated."

"And I'm entangled and it's very difficult to extract myself.

"And I know it's not good for me,

"but I don't feel like I can get out right now."

I wonder if, one day,

the totally unacceptable blurred with the almost acceptable.

And once she'd stepped over that line,

there was no coming back.

When I first met Ghislaine, she looked so elegant,

I could see why people thought she was beautiful.

And that very quickly faded when I got to know her.

My name is Maria Farmer.

I was an art student in Manhattan

in 1995, when I had the unfortunate

experience of connecting with Jeffrey Epstein

and Ghislaine Maxwell.

The second time I met her,

she was being very foolish,

like, in a very high school way.

We sat down to dinner and she hands around this brown bag,

and when we reached in there were falsies in the brown bag,

and like condoms and weird sex things.

And I was like, "I don't want to play this game."

So immediately I knew she was weird.

I only worked for Jeffrey and Ghislaine for a year.

I was just a student and I didn't have any money.

I was living hand-to-mouth, starving,

and so I was stuck with them.

And I worked at the door,

and all that it entailed was sitting

there with a large white book,

and everyone that came in and out

had to be signed in.

One time, Ghislaine walked over and said, "Look at the pinhole

right next to you," and she's pointing right next to my head.

And it was very disconcerting.

And so I asked Jeffrey, and he took me in the room

where all those cameras led.

All the pictures were, like, private, you know,

like, the restroom or the bedroom or the wherever.

One of the most disturbing things was that Ghislaine

would have all these young teens coming and going,

and there were all girls,

and they were sometimes in school uniforms.

I asked her what they were, and she said, "Models

"for Victoria's Secret."

And after a while I said,

"They can't be models because they don't have breasts."

And Victoria's Secret, like, you know, they sell bras.

And she said, "No, no, no."

She said, "The limited corporation, Maria has every kind

"of company involved.

"They have all kinds of models for whatever

"that that they're selling.

"So there are children that model."

It just seemed very strange.

The only person that was scouting models was Ghislaine,

and she was going out every day.

That was her full time job.

I mean, that's what she told me.

Ghislaine would go and get people out of Central Park.

She would go around the time that school was ending,

and she would do this from the limousine, and she would do

this walking across to Central Park,

or walking by the schools.

She invited me into the car with her and I saw her jump out,

give her phone number to a girl

who was definitely a high schoolchild,

and then run back with a number.

And then that child showed up, you know, as one of the models.

So that's how I knew, you know, she was doing it.

Sometimes there were parents with them, but very rarely.

And I remember a little girl walking downstairs crying

and she was wearing a uniform.

And I thought, ""hat happened?

And Ghislaine said, "She didn't get the job."

Some people aren't cut out for modelling, you know?

And I'm like, "Whoa, she's a kid."

And I was like, "I don't like this job." You know,

I didn't know what was going on. I just didn't like it.

The energy was really bad.

One day, I got a phone call from Ghislaine Maxwell's office

asking me if I would take a meeting with Ghislaine.

I had just published a book which I called Royal Blue,

and it was a semi-autobiographical story of my childhood.

I don't believe she read the book.

I think she read the reviews.

I go in and she launches right into it and she says,

"I want my royal blue.

"I want you to ghost-write it."

And then she starts pitching me.

She says, "I want you to live with me for a year, and get to know

"everything and see everything.

"You're going to meet everyone."

And then she finishes up with,

"I'm going to give you a lot of money."

And I do not say anything.

I don't look jubilant.

Now she changes tack completely.

She starts to beg and she says,

"Please, you have to write this book

"for me, because I want Jeffrey to marry me."

She says, "I need Jeffrey to see me in a different light."

And she says this extraordinary thing to me.

She says, "Jeffrey has to have three orgasms a day,

"and it's been determined by the best doctors in the world.

"And I help him because I cannot keep up with his libido."

She tells me that she recruits three girls a day.

And she says, "What I do is, when we're in Palm Beach,

"I get in my car and I drive to the trailer parks,

"and I look for Jeffrey's type.

"And when I see what I'm looking for, I approach.

"I make a deal.

"I bring them home."

It was like, you're ordering in food and then you order

a new food the next.

It was just offensive.

I'm disgusted with her.

And so I now lose my temper,

which I can do.

And I say to her, "What are you talking about?

"Who are these girls?"

And she says to me, "They are nothing.

"They are trash."

She treated us like useless peasants.

That's how she spoke to people that she deemed beneath her.

And it was shocking.

You know, I was called a nobody.

And it was so strange because there was this part of me

that admired them so much.

Ghislaine knocked on the door and she was in her bathrobe,

and it wasn't even properly tied and I felt uncomfortable.

So she started walking me down the hallway to a room

I wasn't allowed to go to.

I was told - very strict rules - not to even ever go in this one room.

It was Jeffrey's room there,

and I got this really bad feeling.

I walked in and I just knew.

Ghislaine instructs me to rub his feet, and I'm like, you know?

And I was not good at it on purpose.

And Jeffrey said, "You know, sit up here."

And I sat between them and I felt

really uncomfortable, obviously,

but I thought, "Well, maybe it's not going to be something bad, you know,

"they're just so weird anyway.

"Maybe this is part of it."

But no, it was something bad,

and they began to assault me,

and they were both, like, doing it together.

It became like this mechanical, you know, assault.

But Ghislaine seemed to be the one...

The only one enjoying it, let me put that way.

Because I was crying and she was like rubbing my tear

and wiping my hand, and loving all over me.

And I, at some point,

just kind of forced myself up and rolled up

and got up, and just ran out of the room.

And I pushed this piece of furniture up against the door.

Just waited all night until they left that morning around eight.

When I got home, the phone rang and it was Ghislaine.

And I'd been there maybe just like an hour.

And she said, "Hey, Maria, what do you want?"

So I said, "I'm going to the police."

When I called the FBI to report it, I made Ghislaine Maxwell's

role very clear.

So they have known what role Ghislaine Maxwell played since 1996

when I told them, and I'm so angry because they allowed it to exist

for 26 years, they created most of these victims

you're hearing from today.

Almost all of them happened after my report.

My name is David Boles. I'm a lawyer.

I represent a number of the survivors

of Ms Maxwell and Mr Epstein.

I think one of the great tragedies of this story is what happened

or more accurately, what didn't happen,

when Maria Farmer was abused.

Nobody paid attention.

It was one young girl's word

against rich, powerful, connected people.

If the prosecutors had done their job in the 1990s,

this could have been stopped.

Ended.

Without the hundreds of young girls

who were then going to be abused

over the next two decades.

Dozens, hundreds of young girls' lives

could have been saved.

When I was 22 years old, I was in massage therapy school.

There was a girl who told me that there was someone hiring

for a position, travelling the world,

in a private jet with private chefs

as a massage therapist.

And that sounded like a wonderful opportunity.

Within a couple of weeks, I had travel arrangements to fly

to New York City from Los Angeles.

I was excited.

I was a little nervous, of course.

I had a time and an address to go meet, you know, Miss Maxwell.

I walk in and the whole place is stunning.

And I was asked to go up the stairs,

and at the top of the stairs there's

a butler standing there holding a silver tray.

I mean, I kind of laughed to myself a bit because, "This is not normal.

"This is, like, movie type stuff."

A few moments later, Miss Maxwell

comes out in a white bathrobe.

She was asking me all types of questions about myself,

and we spoke about things like our birthdays, you know,

hers being the 25th of December, mine being the 26th of December.

And what that meant to us growing up.

I spoke about my dad to her,

and she spoke about her dad to me.

There was never a disconnect in our conversation

and I just thought, "How incredible is this?"

Even though I was in this home that was beautiful, with this educated

woman, successful woman, there was never a time that I felt

like I didn't belong there.

I felt connected to this woman,

in a sense that I didn't feel like I was any different from her.

After the massage, she said, "I want you to go now

"meet with my partner, Jeffrey, for another portion of the interview."

And she says to me directly, she said,

"Make sure you give Jeffrey

"what he wants, because Jeffrey always gets what he wants."

I leave Ghislaine's townhouse with the sense of accomplishment

and confidence and, like, it couldn't have gone any better.

This was going to be my future.

I walked to Jeffrey's home.

I was led in.

And Jeffrey's like, "Let's go to my office."

So...

I'm sitting there on the couch,

and he put his foot up on my leg

and asked me for a foot massage.

I didn't know that there was going to be a massage involved.

But nonetheless, I start working on his foot.

He's pushing his foot further and further up my leg to the point

where it's pressing into my body in very inappropriate ways.

So I got up and he's, you know, right behind me,

and he assaulted me there.

I took off down the stairs.

And I walked out the door.

I didn't look up the whole way.

It's like I could... Every seam in the sidewalk.

I was just, like, looking at seam after seam after seam.

And I walked straight back, you know, to where I was staying.

Everybody wants to talk about what happened.

"How did he abuse you? What did he do?"

And it's not focused on Ghislaine.

It's focused on him.

And that frustrates me.

I was faced with the absolute betrayal of this woman.

I felt so connected to Ghislaine,

in that short amount of time in her home.

The betrayal was just so deep,

because she got me there.

She got me to the point of abuse.

She groomed me to walk myself to the home of a predator willingly.

She was beyond a cog in the wheel of it.

She facilitated it.

She made the network happen.

I think the idea that, you know,

Epstein and Ghislaine were as rich and glamorous as they were,

people treat them enormously different than any other

kind of person who would do something like this.

I definitely encountered people close to him who were always,

like, finding increasingly bizarre ways

to try to rationalise, you know, Epstein's behaviour.

Jeffrey had a severe case of what's called satyriasis, the male

counterpoint, counterpart of nymphomania,

which he could not control.

What was his relationship to...?

Look, probably a lot of men have that, for all I know,

except very few of them have the money to...

Let's say to treat themselves to sex three

times a day with young girls.

And if there was only one of them who did it, no-one

would have noticed. Except he made an industry out of it.

And why did he make an industry out of it?

Because Jeffrey was a very, very, very sick man.

So were you ever around for any instances of these?

No, I never saw him fool around.

In fact, Jeffrey was a very, very close friend of mine.

Yeah. And he shielded me.

I never saw what he did until finally I did notice certain

things, and that was the end of me having to do with him.

He never invited me to the Isle of Babes. OK.

Luckily. I never even knew it was even there.

Pulling up on the boat to the island.

I just remember it being just really magical and so beautiful.

And it's like, "Wow, how could someone live here?"

And felt kind of special that we were going.

And of course, there was young, beautiful people there.

I just thought, you know,

"It's just like a getaway and a fun place to go to."

But when we left there,

it just was a place that I never

really wanted to return to,

and I just couldn't wait to get, you know, away.

In 1998, there was a job advertised for a management couple

for an island in the Caribbean.

And then from my interviews all the way through to the end,

there were always women around.

I'm Miles Alexander and this is Cathy, my wife of 30-odd years.

I was employed as the island manager and Kathy was employed

as the housekeeping manager.

Ms Maxwell did explain that there would be a lot

of women around.

She used to refer to it as the bees around the honeypot.

She said, "You'll see lots of bees around the honeypot,

"but I'm the Queen Bee. Always remember that."

We've never forgotten. We've never forgotten that.

Shall we have a look at some photographs? Why not?

Yeah, that's where we used to live.

1999.

If you remember, we arrive.

That's the complex at the top,

with the master bedroom down there.

The great room, kitchen and office.

And the three little buildings.

We had no real beaches, so we had to create beaches.

Ultimately, he wanted to see a view of another island.

So we started digging the mountain away.

Taking the whole mountain away.

So he could see what was called Dog Island at the time.

There's our kitchen and there's me baking, probably.

Miss Maxwell as employer was very demanding.

She basically took her pound of flesh, eh?

Yeah, we used to call her Hurricane Maxwell. Sorry, Miss Maxwell.

She would arrive, and all sorts of tranquillity

on the island would erupt.

She used to run around fixing things, making sure everything

was perfect for Mr Epstein.

That was the whole point of her being there, to make sure

Epstein had everything he ever wanted. Wanted.

We knew they were going to be girls.

And then one day I'm told to go and serve tea.

And I walked out to the pool, with this big tray of tea

and there's Victoria's Secret model-type people

lying around with no clothes on,

because they didn't come down with the costumes.

So I went back to Cathy and I said,

"You're doing this, I'm not doing this."

They'll all be lying there with next to nothing on.

You got quite complacent about it.

You know, you ask them, "What do you do?" "I'm an estate agent."

"What do you do?" "I'm a model. I'm a... But they were just there for

him, basically. .."I'm a student." I don't know.

If he wanted to go swimming,

he took the girls with him. They'd go off to the beach.

Yeah, off to the beach. So they were companions.

My name is Gretchen Rhodes.

I am a professional singer,

and I was doing massage therapy

for 20-something years.

I worked on Little St James from 2001 to 2006.

So this is the first time in 20 years that I have talked

about this in a public space.

And in my silence,

I was starting to feel physically sick

by not acknowledging it.

I met Ms Maxwell when she came into the Grapevine Salon and Spa

where I was working as a massage therapist.

She made a beeline towards me when she saw me, and asked me

if I would want to come and do massage for her.

And I said, "We have a receptionist here.

"You can go ahead and ask the receptionist to book

"an appointment for you."

And she said, "No, no, no, I don't want to I don't want to do that.

"I want you to come and work for me," and handed me her card.

She never came into the spa, just looking for an amazing massage.

It was just her looking for something...

..else.

Even though I said no.

She came back a couple more times throughout the next couple of weeks.

She was firmly persistent,

to put it in a very kind way.

I could say "hound" because it kind of did feel like that as well.

My feelings were saying, you know, like, "stay away."

Like, just go about what you're doing.

But my brain was telling me, "But look at this person.

"She's very well coifed.

"She's like, put herself together very well.

"She's very well mannered. She's articulate.

"Why would you not want to go along with

"what she's asking you to do?"

When I was first picked up by this boat on Saint John,

to be taken to Little Saint James.

It felt exciting. It's like, "Wow, this is so...

"You know, Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.

"How lucky am I to be able to do this?

"How lovely for me."

I was told by Ms Maxwell that this is a speak-when-spoken-to situation.

Don't ask questions.

If you see anything, you're going to keep it to yourself

or hear anything.

you're going to keep it to yourself.

And also, like, in a very, like,

smile and, "This is how it's going to be."

And so, you know...

We had a nucleus of sorts from St Thomas and St John,

that used to be - we had to go fetch and bring back.

Ms Maxwell would be the first person to test the masseuse, to make sure

that the massage that he was due to have would be a good massage,

that type of thing.

Let me try and phrase that so you'd understand.

I think she got into a situation

where she had to find massage therapists for him,

and the younger the better.

And I got asked to find massage therapists and they were always

too old, so she had to go and find somebody young.

And I think in a way, it felt uncomfortable that she was looking

for these young massage therapists.

She just made sure that he got his massages,

come hell or high water.

She made sure he was happy.

Miles and Cathy were the ones that called me up to do massage.

Sitting in the kitchen with them waiting.

And then they would get the call to do massage

with Miss Maxwell or with Jeffrey.

Initially, when I first got to Little St James,

I was massaging Ms Maxwell herself,

and that lasted for three or four months

somewhere in there.

Sometimes,

Ms Maxwell would have me do a tandem massage,

or teach another girl

that was there how to do massage.

And finally, when she decided that I was

ready or fit, or I feel

like now that I had gotten her trust...

..then I was allowed to - "allowed to"

massage Jeffrey himself.

Ms Maxwell walked me down to his room for the first time

and then again explained, "Whatever happens

"during the massage, you keep to yourself."

The massage table was already set up.

He came in, she took off her shirt.

She took off her bra. She took off her pants.

I was trying not to look, but it's kind of like, all right

here, you know, in peripheral vision.

And then she got redressed and just left like it was nothing.

I was kind of taken aback by everything. He just laid down.

And I did a normal massage, just the normal massage.

I don't know why I had that uneasy feeling, thinking like, "OK, great.

"I've like... This is really easy money. Fantastic for me."

He also had this thing about making people's dreams come true.

He said that was his thing.

He asked me, "What's your dream? What is your passion?"

And I said, "Music." He's like, "OK, great."

He's like, "I'll fly you up to New York and I'll set

"you up a couple of meetings with EMI and Universal."

On the way back down, we flew in his private jet with all

of these scientists that he was hosting on the island.

Ms Maxwell was on that plane,

and we were taken back to the Caribbean, and I was made

to give Jeffrey a massage.

Where I had to...

..massage his nipples while he masturbated.

It was just like...

Taken aback, you know, like,

"What the fuck is happening right now?

"What is happening? Just, like, just look away.

"Like, you know, just look away."

I just wasn't looking at his face.

I was looking, like, beyond him. Just...

Trying to separate myself, or...

..take myself out of my body.

That was my payment for having been flown up to New York and given

these opportunities like such... On such a high

and then just such a low.

It was just this constant kind of roller-coaster.

And I always asked myself,

and have asked myself for the last 20 years,

why I didn't just jump off of the roller-coaster.

I don't even... I don't know if I have an answer.

These people made the weirdest things so normal and normalised.

And nothing was normal.

And...

It was all horrible and weird,

and then it wasn't.

And then he was a charming, kind, nice person.

And so was she.

Maybe not kind.

There was never a kind look behind her eye.

It... Just a charming, ever so slightly calculated one.

She led me into that situation,

knowing full well that it's not

a normal situation to put somebody else, but doing it anyway.

To me, she is the reason that I was abused.

These allegations in the press of women

trying to escape the island, swim away from the island.

Come crying to Cathy and myself in the kitchen to say,

"Please help us. We need to get off the island.

"My passports have been stolen or taken away from us."

None of that happened.

None of those girls came in crying. I don't understand it.

The only person who ever cried was

somebody who came to give him a massage and...

Just said, "Look, I want to go home." And that was all.

But I don't know what happened in the room.

People left the island very suddenly, yes.

There could have been women that had

been assaulted or hurt or...

We can't... Wouldn't go down that road because we weren't...

We've got no evidence whatsoever.

No. So. But people left and came...

So maybe...

I wouldn't even go down that route because we can't say for sure.

I've never saw anybody leave the island... In tears. ..in tears.

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

But we didn't see it, and we weren't involved any of it.

She was trying to please the man, and at her detriment.

That's basically what she did.

She wanted to make sure he was happy,

whether she did it illegally or whatever.

It's very easy to bury one's head in the sand.

I've done it for the last 20 years of not acknowledging.

I didn't feel like I could tell anybody, because I wasn't worthy

enough to tell anybody.

But I honestly think that it was totally conceivable

that Miles and Cathy didn't know it was happening, because I didn't know

anything that was happening with anybody else.

Everything was kept behind closed doors.

I think that I was very lost for a long time,

and I've only just really started to deal with it all.

I've kept it all secret for 20 years.

20 years.

Epstein bought this island in the US Virgin Island.

And he built, on that island, a camp for sex trafficking.

A sex trafficking palace,

if you will, with a gold dome

with places scattered along the beach.

And there were always a lot of young girls there.

Of the slightly more than dozen women that we represent,

about half of them, probably, were on the island.

It was a place where he would go to abuse young girls.

But it was also a place where he would entertain,

and cultivate rich and powerful,

and politically connected figures.

We had a lot of guests that came to the island

at the invitation of Mr Epstein.

Whether they were industrialists, businesspeople,

celebrity type people,

royalty.

Prince Andrew was there.

He came on a few times.

The first time was by himself

and then twice with Ms Maxwell.

They were very good friends. Very good friends.

You could see it. They had an absolute ball.

They used to laugh... Laugh. ..and enjoy themselves.

Go swimming, go playing on the jet skis.

Do all sorts of things. Tease each other. Yeah. Have fun.

And it was loud.

We could hear it. Having fun.

They just enjoyed themselves. And he was so relaxed.

He just opened the door to the kitchen and come in and say,

"All right, what can we eat?"

It was like a home in many ways.

No, it was, he was... I'd say their relationship was really close.

They were really close.

And would Prince Andrew get massages as well?

I don't think so. Did he?

I can't remember. I can't remember.

No, to be honest with you, I can't.

When he was on his own, no. When he was on his own, no.

I don't think he did.

But you never know, because... We don't know what, you know?

..we weren't privy to see...

to see any of... any of the other side of

Mr Epstein, so...

If you were to say it like that.

Yeah. I don't know how to say it.

What stays inside stays inside.

I saw Ghislaine with Prince Andrew at Ascot in the royal enclosure.

I used to go to Ascot every year.

She was almost deferring to him, and looking at him

as though he was the most important person there.

I called over to Ghislaine.

"Hi, Ghislaine, it's me."

Nothing - complete blank.

She was just so focused on Prince Andrew,

that nobody else mattered.

She decided that there were bigger fish in her pond

than my little pond.

So she decided, probably, to ignore me.

I thought,

"That's not very nice to be treated that way," especially after the way

that I used to look after her.

I was disappointed.

I definitely saw that she was a powerful woman in society.

She was amongst all the celebrities and very important people

on the social scene in New York.

My name is Lisa Phillips and I'm a model scout and manager.

The first time I met Ghislaine was at a dinner party

at Jeffrey Epstein's home

on the Upper East Side.

She had that little sparkle in her eye.

So you're kind of like...

Lesbian thing goes up where you're like, "Hmm" about her.

There were tonnes of older men there that night,

and she was the only, like, lady among them.

I saw a lot of younger women coming and going that night.

I believe all over 18. They were all introduced to Ghislaine,

If they didn't know her, and introduced to the other men there.

A few weeks or months later,

I was hanging out with another group of girlfriends.

We went to a party in Soho.

Naomi Campbell was there, Woody Harrelson and some other

celebrities, and Ghislaine was there that night with Mick Jagger.

I said hello to Ghislaine, and she introduced me

and my girlfriends to Mick Jagger that night.

So Jeffrey is the one, a few days after, who had called me to meet

with Mick Jagger, like he was having a dinner, and that Mick

had requested that myself and some girlfriends,

the same girlfriends would go meet him for dinner.

And I had said, "Well, what does he want?"

He was... "Well, you know."

"He said, "Oh, well, Ghislaine is going to be there."

And he said that she was his best friend and that he trusted her.

And I said, "Well, I don't really trust her."

She's a little creepy.

I didn't think anything of their odd relationship

because the modelling and acting world

has a mist of sexuality all throughout it.

When you are in that business,

you deal with those kinds of things.

After that, I started feeling, "Well, I'm not really your friend.

"You know, if you're pushing me to go meet with these older men."

And as you like, witness their relationship

and as your friends get to know them, then you start to realise

she's 100% in it as much as he is.

Having the woman present makes it seems like,

"Oh, OK, well, nothing super bad is going to happen to me

"because she's here," you know?

I think that was a very confusing thing, always having her there.

I don't think he could have had the same web of operation

that was going on without this, you know, beautiful woman helping him.

Looking back, and over the years, I think there were signs

that things were happening.

And it reminds me there's a great line in Edith Wharton

in her novel, The Age of Innocence.

The main character says, "Does nobody want to know the truth here?"

What she's shocked by is how much people will continue and not notice

things they don't want to see.

This, to me, was an equivalent.

"Does nobody round here want to know the truth?"

And the fact is probably not. Not if the party is good.

I drove her home and dropped her off in front of her townhouse.

And then she made this astonishing offer.

If you come in and fuck me,

I will tell you the secrets of my father.

She slams her fist on my conference room table,

and my court reporter

looked at me and said, "I'm so scared."

This explosive testimony from Annie Farmer.

Ghislaine Maxwell pulled down the sheet,

exposing her breast

and touching her breast.

Walking into that courtroom

and being in the same room

with Ghislaine for the first time in 19 years

I was overwhelmed, physically.

My body was shaking.

My heart was racing.

To hear that a member of the royal family,

Prince of England, was engaged

in that conduct, was something I found

surprising, shocking, disturbing.

So what I realised very late in the game was, she's evil.

She's evil and she's dangerous.

I love the smell of the ocean spray. The sound of the waves.

The cry of the sea birds.

The sunsets. The sun rises.

I love the ocean.

In New York, stunning testimony today from an alleged victim

in the sex trafficking trial of Jeffrey Epstein's

companion, Ghislaine Maxwell.

The first of Ghislaine Maxwell's four accusers testifying

under the pseudonym Jane,

graphically described the first time

Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused her.

Some of the details are absolutely harrowing.

Maxwell, she says, fondled her breasts.

Jeffrey Epstein sexually assaulted her with sex toys

when she was 14 years old.

It's a trial a quarter century in the making.

And of course, since that time, the victims have been looking

for a reckoning.

I've been working with the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine

Maxwell for about seven years now.

I think, for any of the women who are being called to testify,

there's a lot of anxiety with having to face your abuser

in a court of law.

There will be a lot of relief in this as well,

because they'll have the opportunity to talk to the jurors

about what happened to them.

There's been a lot of speculation about why it took so long

for Maxwell to be held accountable.

That involves power and privilege,

in a way that was unique to this circumstance.

There's so many of us that have walked around feeling

like we don't have the right to speak up for ourselves.

I definitely need to be here to show her that everything

that she's taken from me,

I'm taking it all back.

It has to be the turning point,

that society as a whole puts

that stake in the ground,

draws that line, and says,

"You cannot get away with these things

"just because of who you are, and how much money you have."

My name is Spencer Kuvin.

I'm an attorney practising in West Palm Beach, Florida.

I represented one of the first young victims to come forward

here in Palm Beach County against Mr Epstein.

Through that process, we began to understand the full

breadth of Mr Epstein's sexual conspiracy,

and the organisation which involved Maxwell,

as well as many of the other young girls that she had trained.

These were young girls, some of them as young as 14 years old,

who did not have the wherewithal to understand

what they were getting themselves into.

The premise to be searched a two-storey single-family residence

occupied or under the control of Jeffrey Epstein,

white male, date of birth 1/20/53.

The first young lady that I represented never specifically

mentioned Maxwell, but there was this older British distinguished

lady behind the scenes.

They didn't know who she was.

She was answering the door.

She was escorting people through.

She was telling them, "Oh, go up there, go into that room" or,

"go into the kitchen."

When my clients visited, they would frequently see pictures

of Ghislaine Maxwell with very famous individuals,

and it was very clear she was very wealthy and powerful.

But at the beginning, we weren't really focused on her, so we never

learned the full breadth of her part in this, until much later on.

We were focused on Epstein.

Later, during the investigation, when interviewing

and conducting the deposition,

the name Maxwell would come up repeatedly.

Ghislaine Maxwell was a lot more than just someone who stayed

in a room at the Palm Beach mansion.

She was directing the activities that were going on there.

What we came to learn is that by the time of this investigation,

Maxwell had stepped away from the direct recruitment

of young girls. She had trained primary recruiters.

Those primary recruiters then would train local recruiters,

to get girls to come over to the house.

This sexual pyramid scheme, really had Ghislaine Maxwell

at the top.

We, as attorneys, wanted to talk to her.

We knew that she was jet setting across the world.

We knew that she could fly to France or Virgin Islands at any moment.

We had heard that she was at some kind of a private benefit event

up in New York at one point.

So we had hired processed servers to go and try and serve her.

Unfortunately, that ended up in a failure.

They couldn't get in and get her served, so we were never able

to issue a subpoena to her at the time because she had essentially

disappeared in the wind.

I went down to tidy his room and there on his dresser

was the arrest warrant,

and he said it was for solicitation of a minor

for prostitution, hey? Something like that. Something like that.

In all honesty, I was shocked. No, we were shocked.

And we were both shocked.

The way it was explained to us,

it was basically a slap on the wrist - fine, like a traffic fine -

that they're charging him with, which seemed like it.

So I said, "Well, just pay the fine and get it over done with,

"and get it out of the news, get everything sorted."

At that point of the relationship between the two of them, I think

it was pretty antagonistic at points.

He actually told us that she'd gone.

Yeah, one day, she said...

He walked into the kitchen.

He said, "It's over."

I actually feel quite sorry for him, at the time.

It was a bit traumatic. Traumatic.

We had a couple of fighting matches.

I wouldn't go too deep into that.

No, no, which is understandable.

So you could see this relationship

was moving in a different direction, yeah.

Ms Maxwell was not around for quite a while.

She got involved with a man that does computers,

as far as I remember.

She was completely just out of the whole... Out of the loop.

Out of the loop. So you could see

she'd started a new life for herself,

which I thought was good for her, you know?

The relationship between Epstein and Maxwell,

who was dominant,

who was subservient,

how many of the strategies and tactics

for recruiting and grooming came from Maxwell and how much

came from Epstein?

We'll never probably know completely.

But what we do know is that Maxwell bears responsibility not only

for the young women and girls who she personally recruited,

but also for her role in the overall enterprise, where she would recruit

somebody to recruit somebody else, to recruit somebody else,

to recruit somebody else.

I think that one of the cruellest things that Epstein and Maxwell

did is to induce, coerce these young girls to bring in other young girls.

This has been a really big journey for me to actually get to that point

where I'm not in denial any more.

And I can say, "Yeah, I was abused too."

I had only met Jeffrey pretty briefly before someone was sent

to our room to bring us there for a massage.

And so I just thought,

"OK, well, this is kind of weird,

"but I trust the girl that brought me."

So, yeah, we went to his room and I realised at that time

that the girl that brought me there, she had done this before.

So she was very comfortable and she was massaging him and I kind

of just took her lead.

And then pretty quickly afterwards,

you know, when Jeffrey started

touching me inappropriately,

and that's, like, when the abuse happened.

I was really confused about what happened.

I just, like, realised maybe that's why she brought me there,

was kind of to lure me to him.

And she was the one who got paid for bringing me.

She made it seems like it was, like, no big deal at all.

It was hard for me to deal with it for many years after that.

And then hearing so many other women have the exact same story of another

young person, another young woman

bringing them to Jeffrey for a massage,

but then getting sexually abused.

And then every time I hear it, I'm just, like, thinking,

"That was me. That was me."

I'm heading to the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.

This is just like another step for me, just to realise and kind

of move on and heal.

This whole nightmare never would have happened

if it wasn't for Ghislaine.

The woman who brought me to Jeffrey's Island

was recruited by her.

There were so many people that she brought

that brought others,

that brought others.

So it's just all these, like, layers.

It's scary that I fit into that story somehow.

That's the way pyramid schemes work.

That's the way enterprises of this scope and scale work.

That was part of the power.

Part of the reason why it was able to recruit

not just a handful

of young girls, but dozens, hundreds of young girls.

There was no-one else

in the pyramid who had her position,

no-one else who had her wealth, her status, no-one else did.

Epstein gave $30 Million to.

So if you put Epstein at the top of the pyramid,

Maxwell's right next to him.

And the only question is,

"Is she right next to him at the same level,

"or is she right next to him at the level immediately below him?"

Jeffrey Epstein's personal 727 aircraft

arrived at PBIA from Newark at 5:00pm.

The investor, travelling with a small entourage, was met

at the private Galaxy Aviation.

Jeffrey Epstein went to jail just before ten this morning.

He pleaded guilty in open court.

He agreed to serve a total of 18 months in a Palm Beach detention

facility, 12 for felony solicitation of prostitutes, and an additional

six for procuring persons under 18 for prostitution.

The guilty plea and deal end a years-long process

that could have sent Epstein to jail for 15 years.

I couldn't believe that he got this sweetheart deal.

The federal government interviewed at least 40 young girls,

but for some reason the government decided that they were going to use

one case as the case,

that they would convict him of.

They're letting them out during the day to walk

around and have lunch and have massages at his office.

He got out after only one year.

A few steps, a smile and a wave to the deputy at the door.

We watched Jeffrey Epstein walk out of jail,

but only his attorneys heard from him.

He's very happy that his jail sentence is over, and he can begin

a new chapter in his life.

They entered into what's called a non-prosecution agreement,

that prevented any further prosecution of not just Jeffrey

Epstein, but also any others who may have been involved.

Maxwell is not mentioned and we have to assume

that that was intentional.

Jeffrey probably told her, "Just disappear. Go away.

"Stay away from all of this and don't worry about it.

"I'll take care of it."

The non-prosecution agreement should never have let people

like Maxwell walk.

I think it led to a sense of invulnerability,

and it led to a sense of confidence that having beat that, she was free.

We're always looking for what we can do, what can make a difference.

If the United Nations create a stand-alone ocean development goal

that is a needle-mover, that will make new laws,

new governance and a new way of looking at the ocean.

And that is what will change the world.

Thank you.

So how does it... Does it all look? Is my hair good? Do I?

All good. It's all good?

We're rolling.

Ghislaine, you've been a philanthropist your whole career.

Tell us about your idea,

and how global citizens can save our common oceans.

The ocean is absolutely vital to all planetary life systems.

I call it the blue heart of the planet.

I met Ghislaine at a party at the Four Seasons restaurant.

There was a lot of major celebrities there,

a lot of air kissing going on.

She knew a lot of people there.

I thought she was utterly charming.

I had no clue that she was involved in any of these things.

The thing that she talked about the most was,

of course, the ocean.

I mean, in many ways, the ocean became, like, her baby.

Your Excellencies, Presidents,

Lords, Ladies and gentlemen, I just would like to thank you so much.

And it's such an honour to be here.

Who doesn't want to have a clean ocean?

I mean, it's, you know, it's kind of a worthy project.

All you're signing is that you want the ocean to be sustainably managed.

And that is the message we're bringing here. Thank you.

Thank you.

At the end of the night, the party's breaking up.

And she asked me, "Can you give me a lift home?"

I drove her home and dropped her off in front of her townhouse,

and then she made this astonishing offer.

She says to me, "If you come in and fuck me, I will tell

"you the secrets of my father."

I was completely speechless,

and I came up with a very lame excuse,

that I needed to go home and walk the dog.

And she knew it was a kind of a BS excuse, but she gave me a kiss

on the cheek and she said, "You know, hope to see you soon."

It's kind of like by day she's very, very involved in trying

to save the oceans and fix the world.

But by night, it's like turning into Dracula or something.

It was like a switch.

I just came back from Haiti,

where children are trafficked

for sex and I wanted to open the safe haven, if we can say,

to help those kids.

And my friend decided to have a fundraising event for that.

I hear that Ghislaine Maxwell came.

I don't know why she was in the picture.

I did not even know who she was.

I guess it's because the French ambassador

was there and she wanted to look good.

She was in the picture and then she left.

I know one thing.

That woman you're talking about,

Maxwell, did not give a cent.

The way she was able to manipulate the media

to think of her as a - quote - "environmentalist"

as opposed to a sex trafficker,

probably continued to contribute to her sense of being above the law,

of being invulnerable.

I think it led her to be, perhaps, careless.

It may have contributed to her ultimate undoing.

Emotions running high in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.

A tearful accuser says she was 14 when Maxwell

told her she had a great body for Jeffrey Epstein and his friends.

We're up to our third accuser.

And her name is Carolyn.

She is testifying under her first name,

and she is the second accuser

to allege that Ghislaine Maxwell had fondled her breasts

when she was 14 years old.

She said she was brought in to Epstein's orbit

via Virginia Giuffre Roberts,

who was a very key figure

in the whole Ghislaine Maxwell saga.

Virginia was one of the first people, if not the first person,

to come forward with the evidence that not only were Epstein

and Maxwell abusing young women themselves, but they were actually

trafficking young women to other men.

The highest profile person that Virginia identified

as someone to whom she was trafficked by Epstein and Maxwell

was Prince Andrew.

Ghislaine woke me up in the morning, excited, and she said,

"You're going to meet a prince today."

Ghislaine said, "He's coming back to the house and I want you to do

"for him what you do for Epstein."

The abuse went on for...

A little bit in the bathroom and then it continued to the bedroom

and he wasn't rude or anything about it.

He said, you know, "Thank you."

My first reaction was, "Did this really happen?"

You know, "Is it really true?"

To hear that...

..a member of the royal family, you know,

a prince of England,

was engaged in that conduct,

was something that I found surprising, shocking, disturbing.

Sex trafficking tends to be something that you associate

with third world countries.

It's not something that you think happens in the United States,

in the United Kingdom.

She said she had sex with you three times.

Once in a London house when she was trafficked to you,

in Maxwell's house. Yes.

Once in New York, a month or so later at Epstein's mansion.

And once on his private island in a group of seven

or eight other girls.

No.

She says she dined with you,

danced with you at Tramp Nightclub in London.

She went on to have sex with you in a house in Belgravia

belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell, your friend.

Your response?

I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady.

I talked to my partner, David Boies,

and he said, "I have this new case

"that's come in that I think really is suited

"for you because of the work you've done in foster care

"and with sex trafficking victims."

I went to New York and I met with Virginia.

And within moments of that meeting,

my life really turned upside down in many ways.

Virginia made public that Maxwell had been involved at the head

of the sex trafficking scheme, along with Epstein.

Can I ask you about the all the allegations

that have come out, Ghislaine?

You've got no comment at all?

I've made a statement. Thank you.

Then Maxwell came forward and made the statement that Virginia's claims

were, quote, "obvious lies."

That gave us the hook to be able to sue Maxwell for defamation.

And that really started the journey in being able to hold Maxwell

accountable for the crimes she committed.

We were a tight female team and we just dug into it.

We pieced together the flight logs in a way that no-one ever

had before, to really map that out and understand the trafficking

scheme as a whole.

We had the police reports from the 2005 investigation

in Florida that showed Maxwell,

at the centrepiece of this, helping

arrange the girls being very active there, despite her claims

that she was not.

We spoke to many, many survivors of Epstein and Maxwell's abuse.

Some of those survivors would say, "I can't give you any information.

"I'm too scared."

It was a very scary time period.

I myself had threats and I was scared at times.

I also had people following me.

As you can imagine, there are incredibly powerful people

who are involved in this sex trafficking scheme.

They certainly didn't like that.

I was turning over stones, finding out more information.

Maxwell's deposition is significant because it's really the only

document we have that shows testimony she is giving

about the sexual trafficking scheme.

One of the things that stood out to me right away

was how obstructionist Maxwell was going to be.

I asked her a pretty simple question.

So, Miss Maxwell, when did you first recruit a female

to work for Mr Epstein?

She said, "I don't understand what you mean by female.

"I don't understand what you mean by recruit.

"Please be more specific and clear."

So that just shows you how difficult she was willing to make

that deposition, how she was going to stop at nothing,

to not give information.

Maxwell definitely had an air of entitlement is the best way

I can describe it.

"How dare you bring me into a conference room

"and ask me questions?

"I know presidents, I know princes, and I should not be bothered

"with these kinds of allegations."

There was another significant moment in the deposition where she actually

gets so frustrated with me and so angry that she slams her fist

on my conference room table,

causing my court reporter's

stenographer machine to fall over.

And my court reporter looked at me and said, "I'm so scared."

In that moment, I realised what the women that I represent

have gone through, and to see how willing she was to come forward

in that environment and attack, at this level,

just confirmed everything that I knew about her.

In the final analysis, they paid a lot of money to resolve it.

The result of the defamation case was very important to Virginia, not

only because of the economic security it gave her, but also

it was a vindication.

Remember, she had been accused by Maxwell

of making this all up.

I sometimes felt angry at the way she dismissed

the victims of the sex trafficking,

but there were times when I felt sorry for her, too.

You know, I tried to understand what led somebody to do these things.

I would never describe her as a victim, but I would describe

her as a damaged human being.

And what caused that damage,

I don't know.

I've never been able to understand why,

after our civil litigation was resolved,

Maxwell did not go to the prosecutors and try to do a deal.

She could have given them Epstein.

Now, maybe she was just still too under Epstein's sway,

but she somehow almost seemed to put

that out of her mind, and go forward

as if it didn't happen.

She should have known

that are days were numbered.

She started to turn up more again in London, in the late 20-teens.

I felt that was probably quite shrewd and strategic on her part,

that she wanted something that was away

from the whole Epstein story.

I think, probably, also she wanted to know if London was still

talking to her.

Things were clearly still unravelling at a rate

of which I certainly was not aware at the time.

You would never be able to tell if you met Glenn Maxwell

what was going on.

I mean, it was always the same smooth, ocean-going confidence.

I met her through friends who brought her to a party

that we were at.

We talked about our Oxford years,

and she said, "It was a great time, wasn't it?"

I said, "Yeah, it was a great time."

And she said, "Yes, it's sad, isn't it? How things turn out."

A judge ruled this afternoon that federal prosecutors broke

the law when they signed a plea agreement with Jeffrey Epstein.

That's because the agreement was hidden from 30

of his underage victims.

The case received renewed attention after the Miami Herald published

a lengthy investigation into the plea deal.

January 2019.

Oddly enough, she "likes", clicks "like" on an Instagram post of mine,

and her timing was pretty appalling,

because by now I know everything and I'm furious.

I'm appalled and disgusted because 20 years ago,

Ghislaine told me that she recruits three girls a day,

but she was using the word girls.

I literally just thought she was just talking

about human beings, women.

In that article, I see all of that and I'm horrified...

..that she was talking about children.

We had been discussing children.

It was hard to take on... On a lot of levels because...

..I felt responsible in a way,

that I had known information...

..that could have maybe made a difference.

And I felt sick.

I was disgusted with her.

I felt I had let humanity down.

And yet I didn't know what I didn't know.

What I realised very late in the game was, she's evil.

She's evil and she's dangerous.

The billionaire American financier Jeffrey Epstein has been formally

charged with the sex trafficking of dozens of underage teenage girls.

The alleged behaviour shocks the conscience.

And while the charged conduct is from a number of years ago,

it is still profoundly important

to the many alleged victims now young women.

They deserve their day in court.

This is a great day for victims, and I'm humbled and inspired

by their voices.

Our clients are extremely gratified that these charges

have finally been brought.

Jeffrey Epstein found dead in an apparent suicide.

The financier arrested on charges that he ran a sex trafficking ring

apparently killed himself today in prison.

He took the easy way out, not having to face justice, not

having to face the victims.

And now it's entirely possible this entire thing may be put

in a file and never seen again.

I had plugged my phone in to charge, and when I plugged it in,

I accidentally had swiped it to like the news thing.

Then there was his face.

I looked at this headline and it read,

"Jeffrey Epstein found

"in foetal position in a jail cell."

I was shaking.

My heart was racing.

I was scared.

I was... I was crying.

I... I didn't know what to do.

I had spent 17 years replaying all of that countless times.

And I had spent 17 years...

Keeping that in a very, very tightly sealed,

buttoned-up space of shame.

It was like a re-traumatization all over again.

It was... The world, you know, shifted.

But I knew that was that moment that I was like, "You are not

"going to sit here any more and stay silent."

It's not how Jeffrey died, but it's how he lived.

And...

We need to get to the bottom of everybody

who was involved with that.

Starting with Ghislaine Maxwell.

I went to New York City and spoke

in federal court in August of 2019.

I said, "Ghislaine Maxwell needs to be held accountable

"because she's what got me there.

"She groomed me to walk myself

"to the home of a predator willingly."

"If it were not for her, I would not have been abused."

Jeffrey Epstein may be dead,

but the investigation continues

into his web of abuse.

According to new reports, the FBI has launched an investigation

of the British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell.

The big question, Lady Victoria, now, is where is Ghislaine Maxwell?

You knew her well.

When did you last have any contact with her?

I haven't seen her since September last year.

I don't think you're going to...

No-one's going to find her.

For months, prosecutors say Ghislaine Maxwell

hid away in this New Hampshire mansion.

But Thursday, FBI agents moved in.

Good morning.

Today, we announce charges against

Ghislaine Maxwell for helping Jeffrey Epstein sexually exploit

and abuse multiple minor girls

who were as young as 14 years old.

The moment I got the phone call that Maxwell had been arrested,

I called all of my clients.

I remember crying on the phone with them.

It was around 9:00 in the morning and I got a phone call

from my lawyer, and she let me know that Ghislaine had been arrested.

And I...

I mean, it was like a cel...

It was a celebration.

I was laughing and crying at the same time.

Today, after many years,

Ghislaine Maxwell finally stands charged

for her role in these crimes.

She had hoped she could be released to a luxury hotel in New York

to wait out the trial.

But ultimately, a judge said there were no set of conditions

that could ensure she would not flee.

The risk - simply too great.

After a life of luxury.

This is now Ghislaine Maxwell's stone-cold reality. Denied bail,

imprisoned in solitary confinement,

and heavily guarded here at the

Metropolitan Detention Centre in Brooklyn,

with her trial at least a year away.

I'm still in a state of shock.

I can't believe that Ghislaine would have stooped to that level.

I really...

Part of me doesn't want to believe it.

And part of me doesn't believe it.

Not the Ghislaine I knew.

But then again, a lot can happen in 40 years.

I'm sure that there are many people who do not view Ghislaine Maxwell

through those lenses of a predator or a monster.

They view her as whatever fun party they attended,

or whatever holiday they attended with her.

She's not walking around shouting to the world

that she was a predator.

She wasn't sharing that at the holiday parties, you know.

So I don't necessarily blame folks that can't see her that way.

I think that sometimes people have very deep, dark secrets.

And this is a very deep, dark secret that she carried on.

You know, the unfortunate, harsh reality it is

for those that love and care for her.

We're back this morning with the latest

on the Ghislaine Maxwell sex trafficking trial.

She denies all of the charges against her.

Three women who say,

as teenagers, they were exploited,

have so far given evidence at this trial.

Today began the long-anticipated testimony of Annie Farmer,

the only accusing witness stepping forward against Ghislaine Maxwell

in her real name.

And it began with the prosecution saying,

"Is there anyone in this courtroom who has ever given you a massage?"

And she said "yes," and identified the defendant.

She said that she was asked to disrobe,

and told to turn around, lying on her back,

that Ghislaine Maxwell pulled down the sheet,

exposing her breasts and touching her breast.

It was definitely Ghislaine who

asked me first about my sister, Annie.

Because I was always bragging about her to everyone.

I mean, she was my whole world.

So I was like, "Oh, my gosh, my sister is the smartest, the most

"beautiful, the most angelic."

This is in 1995.

I was in Palm Beach and I was sitting outside by the pool,

and Ghislaine was leaning on a chaise,

and she said, "Oh, it's too bad, Annie's not here with us."

"You know, it would be very nice to have her here."

And I said, "Oh, she would love it.

"She would have so much fun. Definitely."

Ghislaine's role with Annie was huge.

It's everything, because my mother and everyone believed,

we all believed that Annie would be safe with a married couple.

Like, why wouldn't she be?

And we didn't understand, when we found out, how a woman

could participate in this,

it was really the most shocking part.

So after two very brisk weeks of trial, the government has rested,

and it's rested with this explosive testimony from Annie Farmer.

The other witnesses were crying as they recounted

these really troubling memories. With Annie Farmer,

it's a different dynamic.

It's the unflappable Annie Farmer.

I did tell Annie that I was very...

That I was very proud of her,

that she... That she was so brave.

She did it for everybody, like Virginia and Teresa and myself.

She's just that generous, you know,

that she would be thinking of everyone.

This trial is incredibly important for everyone who's ever suffered,

I think, any kind of sexual abuse.

I'm concerned, very concerned.

If she's released, if she's not held accountable,

that would be very damaging.

I reported this thing 26 years ago to the federal government.

They nursed it, allowed it to exist very clearly for 26 years.

And it just makes me really mad

that these people are able to get away with

abusing as many people as they do,

because you don't recover from those things.

They have all that power, all of that credibility.

And Ghislaine lent that credibility to Epstein.

That's what she provided in this charade.

What it did do to me, this experience, is it took away my trust

in every human being on this Earth.

Because if you can't trust the people who are running the whole

show, who can you trust?

Walking into that courtroom,

my body was shaking,

my heart was racing.

Being in the same room with Ghislaine

for the first time in 19 years,

I was overwhelmed, physically.

Her and I looked straight at one another.

I didn't look away. Not... I didn't blink.

She looked away.

This is me asserting my freedom,

and asserting my power and taking

back what was taken from me.

But I couldn't help but notice some of her body language, you know,

just tossing her hair all about like she didn't really come

across as someone fearful of outcomes.

And that seems to be what she's still carrying,

that presumption that all will turn out in her favour,

and that's someone that's unwell.

That's a complete disconnect from what she's done.

Out of Lower Manhattan,

where the Ghislaine Maxwell sex trafficking trial is now in its 12th day.

Well, first of all, the defence team for Ghislaine Maxwell,

they did not start off the day today well, at all.

The judge scolding them for not having

some of their witnesses ready to testify.

Now, one of them is going to be ignoring a federal subpoena.

Another one has COVID.

Another one is 81-years-old, lives in the UK

and cannot be here until Monday.

And then a fourth witness who is scheduled to testify

is pleading the Fifth.

The defence case rested only two days in,

in the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell.

Usually, when asked whether or not a criminal defendant will testify

in their defence, it's yes or no, not Ghislaine Maxwell, she said,

"Your Honour, the government has not proven its case beyond a reasonable

"doubt, and so there is no need for me to testify."

And that's the kind of Ghislaine Maxwell

we've seen throughout this trial.

Confident, relaxed, awaiting a fate that could see the rest

of her life in prison.

If she's feeling any sense of panic over that,

she's not putting on a face that would show that.

Breaking news and the Ghislaine Maxwell trial,

she has been convicted.

She stood there, stony faced as the jury read out the verdict.

When the jury filed out,

Ghislaine Maxwell poured a glass of water, hugged one of her lawyers

and was led out of the courtroom.

Ghislaine Maxwell just got convicted of five of six of the serious counts

against her, including the most serious counts,

sex trafficking of a minor,

which has a possible maximum penalty

of 40 years imprisonment.

Mr Maxwell! Mr Maxwell, can we have a statement on behalf

of the family, please?

What is your reaction to the verdict?

We firmly believe in Ghislaine's innocence.

Obviously, we are very disappointed with the verdict.

We have already started working on the appeal.

Everyone, be healthy.

Have a happy new year.

It's a tremendous relief to be here.

I wasn't sure that this day would ever come, and I just feel

so grateful that the jury believed us and sent a strong message

that perpetrators of sexual abuse and exploitation will be held

accountable, no matter how much power and privilege that they have.

I don't think the verdict was a shock, but I did find

it made me recoil.

Looking at Ghislaine Maxwell striding around in Oxford

all those years ago.

There was something very attractive, very engaged

and commanding about her.

And that did make her someone you...

People want to know, they enjoyed her company.

And yet those same attributes

were turned to... Really to something very, very wicked.

If you'd said to me, this is where Ghislaine Maxwell will end up,

this is what you'd be talking about today.

I just would have said, "This is crazy."

"You've got the wrong person."

What Epstein did is almost a microcosm

of how the world works.

Very rich and powerful people exploiting people

without that wealth and power.

She was the facilitator of that rapacity, that predatory

determination to meet your needs

regardless of anybody else's costs.

Maxwell did not do this because Epstein told her to.

She did it in her own agency, her own will.

She chose to perpetrate these crimes against young victims,

and she benefited from those crimes.

Epstein and Maxwell could not have accomplished

what they did acting alone.

They could not have had the scope and scale and duration

of the sexual trafficking and abuse.

Their collaborators, their enablers,

their co-conspirators are all people

who need to be brought to justice.

The horrible heartache,

the collective heartache of all of this.

For these two people to have created,

for so many people, and then so many

other people off of that, families and parents and all the other things

that stem off of this, you know, shame on you.

Shame on you, so...

And not on me.

I don't wish harm.

However, she does not deserve to be free.

I can only hope that,

at some point, she admits to herself...

..what she's done, because I don't think she has, at this point.

No.