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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,867 --> 00:00:04,169 Narrator: Despite battling numerous civil suits 2 00:00:04,271 --> 00:00:06,569 from victims following his release from jail, 3 00:00:07,738 --> 00:00:11,673 Jeffrey Epstein manages to fade from public view until 4 00:00:11,775 --> 00:00:15,411 a series of events in 2017 plunges him 5 00:00:15,513 --> 00:00:17,482 back into the spotlight. 6 00:00:17,584 --> 00:00:21,686 The nominee for secretary of the department of labor 7 00:00:21,788 --> 00:00:24,186 will be Mr. Alex Acosta. 8 00:00:25,458 --> 00:00:27,756 Narrator: Acosta's appointment piques the interest of 9 00:00:27,858 --> 00:00:31,160 an investigative reporter from the Miami herald, 10 00:00:31,262 --> 00:00:32,731 Julie K. Brown. 11 00:00:34,667 --> 00:00:38,202 Julie had been a champion in reporting on women's issues, 12 00:00:38,304 --> 00:00:42,273 and she was definitely aware of Jeffrey Epstein 13 00:00:42,375 --> 00:00:44,873 and the sweetheart deal that Acosta had 14 00:00:44,975 --> 00:00:48,777 signed off on in Florida back in 2007. 15 00:00:50,650 --> 00:00:52,781 Kuvin: You gotta put this in perspective with respect 16 00:00:52,883 --> 00:00:53,785 to the time. 17 00:00:53,887 --> 00:00:56,818 So you're looking at 2007, 18 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,656 this was a time and age 19 00:00:58,758 --> 00:01:01,560 where the me too movement didn't exist. 20 00:01:01,662 --> 00:01:04,827 You know, bill Cosby was still America's dad. 21 00:01:04,929 --> 00:01:07,397 Harvey Weinstein was still a wonderful producer 22 00:01:07,499 --> 00:01:08,664 in Hollywood. 23 00:01:11,370 --> 00:01:14,872 Narrator: Outraged by the NPA and empowered by the recent 24 00:01:14,974 --> 00:01:16,139 me too movement, 25 00:01:16,241 --> 00:01:20,143 Julie brown embarks on her own investigation of Epstein's 26 00:01:20,245 --> 00:01:22,314 sex trafficking charges. 27 00:01:22,416 --> 00:01:25,480 Dimond: She got the entire unredacted palm beach 28 00:01:25,582 --> 00:01:28,518 police department file on Jeffrey Epstein. 29 00:01:28,620 --> 00:01:31,589 She also got statements from the witnesses that no one 30 00:01:31,691 --> 00:01:34,693 had ever seen before, because they'd been under court seal. 31 00:01:35,695 --> 00:01:38,126 Yeah, I had been just curious about 32 00:01:38,265 --> 00:01:39,897 where are these girls now? 33 00:01:39,999 --> 00:01:42,063 And what do they think about this deal? 34 00:01:42,165 --> 00:01:45,367 I mean, and how did this affect their lives? 35 00:01:45,469 --> 00:01:48,372 Narrator: Brown tracks down over 60 victims, 36 00:01:48,474 --> 00:01:50,576 including many who had interviewed with 37 00:01:50,644 --> 00:01:53,076 palm beach police earlier. 38 00:02:03,323 --> 00:02:06,188 Narrator: Brown compiles her research into a comprehensive 39 00:02:06,323 --> 00:02:08,492 three-part series for the Miami herald 40 00:02:08,594 --> 00:02:10,492 in November 2018. 41 00:02:12,298 --> 00:02:14,229 It's an explosive investigative series 42 00:02:14,331 --> 00:02:15,434 by the Miami herald. 43 00:02:15,536 --> 00:02:19,771 The title is "perversion of justice." 44 00:02:19,873 --> 00:02:23,775 Banfield: While the 2007 palm beach investigation really, 45 00:02:23,877 --> 00:02:27,712 for the most part, flew under the radar of the national press, 46 00:02:27,814 --> 00:02:31,983 Julie's reporting on Epstein's crimes and then that subsequent 47 00:02:32,085 --> 00:02:37,487 sweetheart deal, well that ignited a powder keg in 2018. 48 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,758 Narrator: The attention prompts the fbi to reopen 49 00:02:42,860 --> 00:02:44,062 its investigation, 50 00:02:44,164 --> 00:02:48,966 compile evidence and witness testimony, and this time, act. 51 00:02:53,972 --> 00:02:55,770 Volscho: July 6, 2019, 52 00:02:57,543 --> 00:03:00,041 Jeffrey Epstein takes off around nine in the morning from 53 00:03:00,143 --> 00:03:04,012 Paris and lands in Teterboro, new jersey, 54 00:03:04,114 --> 00:03:06,483 around 4:30 to 5 o'clock. 55 00:03:06,585 --> 00:03:09,287 It's at that point that his life changes. 56 00:03:10,589 --> 00:03:14,957 An NYPD fbi joint task force 57 00:03:15,059 --> 00:03:18,395 has a clandestine operation set up at the airport 58 00:03:18,497 --> 00:03:20,095 by surprise. 59 00:03:20,197 --> 00:03:22,899 Sarnoff: He was arrested the moment he landed 60 00:03:23,001 --> 00:03:25,803 for solicitation 61 00:03:25,905 --> 00:03:28,503 of child sex trafficking 62 00:03:28,605 --> 00:03:31,907 and conspiracy to commit child sex trafficking. 63 00:03:33,113 --> 00:03:34,793 Man: United states attorney Geoffrey Berman 64 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,723 announced the indictment against Jeffrey Epstein, 65 00:03:36,747 --> 00:03:39,082 the politically connected financier now facing up to 66 00:03:39,184 --> 00:03:42,086 45 years in prison on child sex trafficking charges. 67 00:03:45,459 --> 00:03:49,694 Hoffenberg: Jeffrey Epstein was taken to the federal prison 68 00:03:49,796 --> 00:03:52,994 in new york city, the metropolitan 69 00:03:53,096 --> 00:03:54,465 correctional center. 70 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,802 Volscho: It's cold. There's vermin. 71 00:03:57,904 --> 00:03:59,969 There's understaffing issues. 72 00:04:00,071 --> 00:04:02,740 There's equipment issues. 73 00:04:02,842 --> 00:04:04,207 I'm pretty sure the bathroom in 74 00:04:04,309 --> 00:04:06,777 his airplane was larger than the cell he was occupying. 75 00:04:08,013 --> 00:04:09,948 The whole situation was surreal to him, 76 00:04:10,050 --> 00:04:11,050 to be locked up like this 77 00:04:11,083 --> 00:04:12,915 in a place like this... He'd never been 78 00:04:13,017 --> 00:04:14,497 exposed to something like this before. 79 00:04:15,421 --> 00:04:17,319 Narrator: News of Epstein's arrest 80 00:04:17,421 --> 00:04:19,090 ramps up scrutiny on the financier's 81 00:04:19,192 --> 00:04:20,690 many powerful friends. 82 00:04:22,162 --> 00:04:24,627 Dimond: After Epstein's arrest in 2019, 83 00:04:24,729 --> 00:04:26,498 bill gates said publicly 84 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,931 that he had no business or personal relationship 85 00:04:30,033 --> 00:04:31,169 with Epstein. 86 00:04:31,271 --> 00:04:34,906 However, it has been reported that gates was seen 87 00:04:35,008 --> 00:04:37,806 at Epstein's Manhattan townhouse several times 88 00:04:37,908 --> 00:04:40,410 in those final years. 89 00:04:40,512 --> 00:04:43,881 Narrator: Bill Clinton flew on Epstein's plane several times. 90 00:04:44,983 --> 00:04:49,485 And Ghislaine Maxwell, in 2010, at Chelsea's wedding, 91 00:04:49,587 --> 00:04:52,056 and so there's quite a relationship there. 92 00:04:52,158 --> 00:04:54,289 But a spokesperson for bill Clinton said that 93 00:04:54,391 --> 00:04:55,593 the former president has 94 00:04:55,695 --> 00:04:57,793 not even spoken to Jeffrey Epstein 95 00:04:57,895 --> 00:04:59,431 in well over a decade. 96 00:05:02,466 --> 00:05:03,668 Come on in. Go inside. 97 00:05:03,770 --> 00:05:07,172 Now, lots of reporters are digging in, and pretty soon, 98 00:05:07,241 --> 00:05:12,643 a scandalous 1992 video from a party at mar-a-lago surfaces. 99 00:05:13,878 --> 00:05:15,814 Woman: Trump alternates between dancing 100 00:05:15,916 --> 00:05:17,780 and pointing out women to Epstein. 101 00:05:17,882 --> 00:05:21,884 Trump gestures to one and appears to say to Epstein, 102 00:05:21,986 --> 00:05:24,088 "look at her back there. She's hot." 103 00:05:25,357 --> 00:05:28,193 in the video, it is crystal clear. 104 00:05:28,295 --> 00:05:31,559 You can see Jeffrey Epstein right up next to Donald trump, 105 00:05:31,661 --> 00:05:35,834 and the two of them, together, are gawking and groping 106 00:05:35,936 --> 00:05:38,567 young women, and frankly, 107 00:05:38,669 --> 00:05:40,105 it's just appalling. 108 00:05:41,373 --> 00:05:43,216 Volscho: Donald trump gets peppered with questions 109 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:44,342 about Jeffrey Epstein, 110 00:05:44,444 --> 00:05:46,809 and he just kind of distances himself from Epstein. 111 00:05:49,782 --> 00:05:52,850 I haven't spoken to him in probably 15 years or more. 112 00:05:52,952 --> 00:05:56,050 I wasn't a big fan of Jeffrey Epstein, that I can tell you. 113 00:05:56,152 --> 00:05:57,488 This is a far cry 114 00:05:57,623 --> 00:06:00,892 from Donald trump's statement in 2002 praising 115 00:06:00,994 --> 00:06:03,592 Jeffrey Epstein as a terrific guy. 116 00:06:04,965 --> 00:06:06,729 Volscho: The reality was that Jeffrey Epstein 117 00:06:06,831 --> 00:06:10,200 and Donald trump were close for a number of years, 118 00:06:10,302 --> 00:06:13,271 Banfield: But the heat wasn't just on Donald trump. 119 00:06:13,373 --> 00:06:16,975 It was also on his newly minted secretary of labor, 120 00:06:17,077 --> 00:06:18,708 Alexander Acosta. 121 00:06:18,810 --> 00:06:20,808 Acosta, the architect of 122 00:06:20,947 --> 00:06:23,379 that 2007 sweetheart deal in Florida. 123 00:06:25,818 --> 00:06:28,916 Acosta hands in his resignation only 124 00:06:29,018 --> 00:06:32,021 a few days after Epstein is arrested. 125 00:06:32,123 --> 00:06:35,491 Acosta: It would be selfish for me to stay in this position 126 00:06:35,593 --> 00:06:39,629 and continue talking about a case that's 12 years old 127 00:06:39,731 --> 00:06:42,466 rather than about the amazing economy we have 128 00:06:42,568 --> 00:06:43,466 right now. 129 00:06:43,568 --> 00:06:44,677 Woman: President trump saying today 130 00:06:44,701 --> 00:06:46,670 he still supports Acosta. 131 00:06:46,772 --> 00:06:47,637 I'm with him. 132 00:06:47,739 --> 00:06:50,674 He was a... He's a tremendous talent. 133 00:06:50,776 --> 00:06:52,541 He's a Hispanic man. 134 00:06:52,643 --> 00:06:54,378 He went to Harvard. 135 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,278 Banfield: It was a pretty flip way to refer 136 00:06:57,380 --> 00:07:02,153 to the abuse of dozens of girls, right? 137 00:07:02,255 --> 00:07:05,253 Calling it a case that's 12 years old and the fact that 138 00:07:05,355 --> 00:07:07,224 neither of them actually 139 00:07:07,326 --> 00:07:10,061 expressed any sympathy for these girls, 140 00:07:10,130 --> 00:07:13,861 these kids, it just... it just seemed really unsettling. 141 00:07:18,305 --> 00:07:19,981 Schoen: Jeffrey Epstein had asked me to formally 142 00:07:20,005 --> 00:07:21,736 take over the case. 143 00:07:21,838 --> 00:07:24,274 I said to him that I would do it, 144 00:07:24,376 --> 00:07:26,207 because I wanted to help him on the case, 145 00:07:26,309 --> 00:07:29,478 and he was very upbeat and excited about the strategies 146 00:07:29,580 --> 00:07:31,249 that we had discussed. 147 00:07:31,351 --> 00:07:33,982 He was looking forward to fighting his case. 148 00:07:35,288 --> 00:07:37,653 Epstein was an arrogant man. 149 00:07:37,755 --> 00:07:43,161 He felt that he was not only above the law, in every way, 150 00:07:43,263 --> 00:07:45,728 he believed that he was smarter 151 00:07:45,830 --> 00:07:47,498 than most other people. 152 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,798 He believed he could buy everything and everyone. 153 00:07:50,867 --> 00:07:52,214 Woman: Will he give up the names of 154 00:07:52,238 --> 00:07:56,340 the powerful men he allegedly serviced with underage girls? 155 00:07:56,442 --> 00:07:57,682 One of the options that's gonna 156 00:07:57,742 --> 00:08:01,544 be potentially available to him is cooperation. 157 00:08:01,646 --> 00:08:03,581 Dimond: One would have to imagine that a lot 158 00:08:03,683 --> 00:08:07,685 of Epstein's powerful friends were squirming at this point. 159 00:08:07,787 --> 00:08:08,885 They had to wonder, 160 00:08:08,987 --> 00:08:12,023 would Epstein give up their secrets to save himself? 161 00:08:23,068 --> 00:08:25,670 Man: The 66-year-old multimillionaire hedge fund 162 00:08:25,772 --> 00:08:27,170 manager, Jeffrey Epstein, 163 00:08:27,272 --> 00:08:30,974 was found unresponsive in his cell Saturday morning. 164 00:08:31,076 --> 00:08:35,111 Jeffrey Epstein's death is all over every television 165 00:08:35,213 --> 00:08:36,811 network that you could imagine. 166 00:08:39,284 --> 00:08:42,486 Man: One source tells CBS news Epstein hanged himself. 167 00:08:48,292 --> 00:08:49,157 Schoen: I was shocked. 168 00:08:49,259 --> 00:08:51,794 Suicide didn't seem likely to me. 169 00:08:51,896 --> 00:08:55,399 He was planning to fight the case, clear his name. 170 00:08:55,501 --> 00:08:59,203 I knew there would be a medical examination 171 00:08:59,305 --> 00:09:01,203 immediately, 172 00:09:01,305 --> 00:09:03,273 so I suggested that the family 173 00:09:03,375 --> 00:09:05,073 send in an independent medical examiner. 174 00:09:05,175 --> 00:09:06,977 I've done this before. 175 00:09:07,079 --> 00:09:08,877 I suggested Michael Baden. 176 00:09:08,979 --> 00:09:10,619 I think he's one of the best in the world. 177 00:09:12,717 --> 00:09:14,686 My name is Cyril H. Wecht. 178 00:09:14,788 --> 00:09:16,952 I am a forensic pathologist. 179 00:09:17,054 --> 00:09:20,356 I have been studying the Epstein case since I was 180 00:09:20,458 --> 00:09:22,223 first contacted by my colleague, 181 00:09:22,325 --> 00:09:23,794 Dr. Michael Baden. 182 00:09:23,896 --> 00:09:26,731 Dr. Baden has a wealth of experience, 183 00:09:26,833 --> 00:09:30,869 including cases involving hangings in jails. 184 00:09:32,337 --> 00:09:34,769 He attended the autopsy as 185 00:09:34,875 --> 00:09:38,006 the official representative of the Epstein family. 186 00:09:39,179 --> 00:09:42,677 Narrator: Six days later, the state medical examiner 187 00:09:42,779 --> 00:09:45,614 releases the autopsy results. 188 00:09:45,716 --> 00:09:47,985 Wecht: The chief medical examiner ruled the manner 189 00:09:48,087 --> 00:09:49,385 of death as suicide. 190 00:09:49,487 --> 00:09:53,622 I think that people have understandable suspicions 191 00:09:53,724 --> 00:09:56,560 given the background of Jeffrey Epstein. 192 00:10:00,533 --> 00:10:02,664 Narrator: Dr. Michael Baden goes public 193 00:10:02,766 --> 00:10:04,701 with his own conclusion. 194 00:10:04,803 --> 00:10:07,739 Well, I was asked by the brother, the next of kin, 195 00:10:07,841 --> 00:10:12,343 to be at the autopsy, and at the autopsy, on day one, 196 00:10:12,445 --> 00:10:16,447 there were findings that were unusual for suicidal hanging. 197 00:10:16,549 --> 00:10:19,480 Narrator: Several aspects of Epstein's death are troubling to 198 00:10:19,582 --> 00:10:21,184 the renowned pathologist, 199 00:10:21,286 --> 00:10:25,422 beginning with what was found inside Epstein's prison cell. 200 00:10:25,524 --> 00:10:27,589 If you look at the photographs, 201 00:10:27,691 --> 00:10:29,793 the postmortems of his jail cell, 202 00:10:29,895 --> 00:10:33,397 and you look at how many bed sheets were inside that cell, 203 00:10:33,499 --> 00:10:35,997 he's given tens of bed sheets. 204 00:10:38,703 --> 00:10:41,272 Dimond: He's also got a sleep apnea machine 205 00:10:41,374 --> 00:10:44,272 with long electrical cords attached. 206 00:10:44,374 --> 00:10:46,076 Now, remember, this is a man who 207 00:10:46,178 --> 00:10:48,913 they thought had attempted suicide just weeks earlier. 208 00:10:50,515 --> 00:10:52,651 Wecht: How in the world, if you have someone 209 00:10:52,753 --> 00:10:54,217 on suicide watch, 210 00:10:54,319 --> 00:10:58,355 would you allow those kinds of physical structures to be 211 00:10:58,457 --> 00:10:59,457 present in the cell? 212 00:10:59,523 --> 00:11:01,659 How do you think people hang themselves? 213 00:11:01,761 --> 00:11:03,259 So this is bothersome. 214 00:11:05,231 --> 00:11:07,363 Narrator: Examining Epstein's neck abrasions 215 00:11:07,465 --> 00:11:08,896 during the autopsy, 216 00:11:09,036 --> 00:11:12,134 Baden notices more peculiarities. 217 00:11:12,236 --> 00:11:13,738 Wecht: The mark around the neck 218 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,804 of a person who has been strangled 219 00:11:15,906 --> 00:11:19,608 or who has hanged himself is what we call a furrow. 220 00:11:20,810 --> 00:11:22,846 Banfield: Usually in hangings, 221 00:11:22,948 --> 00:11:26,917 the furrow mark is found up high in the neck, sort of right 222 00:11:27,019 --> 00:11:29,621 under the jaw line, because if you think about it, 223 00:11:29,723 --> 00:11:32,321 the noose slides up the neck 224 00:11:32,423 --> 00:11:35,358 as the weight of the body is pulled down. 225 00:11:36,627 --> 00:11:38,329 Wecht: It is important to see 226 00:11:38,431 --> 00:11:42,066 and note, the furrow is significantly lower on 227 00:11:42,168 --> 00:11:43,466 Epstein's neck, 228 00:11:43,568 --> 00:11:48,237 which is quite rare in cases of a hanging. 229 00:11:50,043 --> 00:11:52,408 Hoffenberg: In order for Jeffrey Epstein to die 230 00:11:52,510 --> 00:11:57,612 the way he died, under the autopsy results, 231 00:11:57,714 --> 00:12:00,416 he had to put the noose around his neck 232 00:12:00,518 --> 00:12:04,587 himself and had to hold the noose down 233 00:12:04,689 --> 00:12:06,053 to near his chest. 234 00:12:07,026 --> 00:12:08,924 Narrator: Low furrow marks like Epstein's 235 00:12:09,026 --> 00:12:12,195 are more commonly found in strangulation homicides. 236 00:12:14,634 --> 00:12:16,966 More doubt about a suicide emerges 237 00:12:17,068 --> 00:12:19,603 when Baden looks under the skin. 238 00:12:19,705 --> 00:12:23,141 There are multiple... three fractures in the hyoid bone, 239 00:12:23,243 --> 00:12:27,478 thyroid cartilage, that are very unusual for suicide 240 00:12:27,580 --> 00:12:31,282 and more indicative of strangulation, 241 00:12:31,384 --> 00:12:33,449 homicidal strangulation. 242 00:12:33,551 --> 00:12:38,553 The hyoid bone is a relatively delicate, small u-shaped bone 243 00:12:38,655 --> 00:12:42,424 high up in the neck, and the thyroid cartilage, 244 00:12:42,526 --> 00:12:46,061 the Adam's apple, that's below, lower down. 245 00:12:46,163 --> 00:12:47,632 And there were three fractures, 246 00:12:47,734 --> 00:12:51,132 one of the hyoid bone up high on the left side, 247 00:12:51,234 --> 00:12:54,303 and then two more fractures of the thyroid cartilage, 248 00:12:54,405 --> 00:12:56,407 one on each side. 249 00:12:56,509 --> 00:13:01,044 Have you ever seen anyone that committed suicide, 250 00:13:01,146 --> 00:13:03,915 and was hanging themselves with those three broken bones? 251 00:13:04,017 --> 00:13:08,619 No... hanging does not cause these broken bones, 252 00:13:08,721 --> 00:13:10,886 and a homicide does. 253 00:13:14,358 --> 00:13:17,360 You don't get hyoid bone fractures 254 00:13:17,462 --> 00:13:22,298 in cases of hanging... They are rare. 255 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,302 Schoen: Dr. Baden eventually said to me that, 256 00:13:24,404 --> 00:13:26,869 in over 20,000 autopsies, 257 00:13:26,971 --> 00:13:30,006 he had never seen injuries like this consistent with a suicide 258 00:13:30,108 --> 00:13:32,206 and therefore did not believe it was a suicide. 259 00:13:33,512 --> 00:13:37,248 He believes this was manual strangulation homicide. 260 00:13:39,950 --> 00:13:42,018 Dimond: Once Baden went public with his conclusion 261 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:43,685 that this was murder, 262 00:13:43,787 --> 00:13:46,556 it was like a tsunami was unleashed. 263 00:13:46,658 --> 00:13:48,156 There were conspiracy theories 264 00:13:48,258 --> 00:13:52,393 and memes about it exploding all over the internet. 265 00:13:52,495 --> 00:13:53,642 Banfield: And, as you can imagine, 266 00:13:53,666 --> 00:13:56,497 in our political climate these days, 267 00:13:56,599 --> 00:14:00,001 everyone's theory had sort of a tone of accusing one 268 00:14:00,103 --> 00:14:02,239 political party or another. 269 00:14:03,474 --> 00:14:05,643 Narrator: The big question is this... 270 00:14:05,745 --> 00:14:09,647 Who would most benefit from Epstein's demise? 271 00:14:09,749 --> 00:14:11,747 A lot of people were probably happy that he... 272 00:14:11,849 --> 00:14:14,618 He's dead, because dead men tell no tales. 273 00:14:25,832 --> 00:14:28,630 Jeffrey Epstein's death is raising troubling questions 274 00:14:28,732 --> 00:14:31,134 about how such a high-profile suspect 275 00:14:31,236 --> 00:14:34,105 could apparently take his own life while in custody. 276 00:14:34,207 --> 00:14:37,172 But it's also raising some conspiracy theories. 277 00:14:37,274 --> 00:14:40,042 Narrator: If it was murder, many suspect 278 00:14:40,144 --> 00:14:43,513 shadowy forces in the U.S. Government. 279 00:14:43,615 --> 00:14:44,791 Connolly: All of Jeffrey's troubles, 280 00:14:44,815 --> 00:14:45,846 the second time around, 281 00:14:45,948 --> 00:14:50,051 began when trump appoints Acosta to his cabinet, 282 00:14:50,153 --> 00:14:51,521 because 283 00:14:51,623 --> 00:14:53,399 the U.S. Attorney for the southern district of 284 00:14:53,423 --> 00:14:54,859 new york started investigating 285 00:14:54,961 --> 00:14:57,725 for that nonprosecution agreement given 286 00:14:57,827 --> 00:14:58,930 to Jeffrey Epstein. 287 00:15:01,232 --> 00:15:03,267 There was a peculiar aspect to 288 00:15:03,369 --> 00:15:05,700 the Epstein arrest at Teterboro that was 289 00:15:05,802 --> 00:15:07,404 barely reported. 290 00:15:07,506 --> 00:15:09,671 He was not arrested by agents of 291 00:15:09,773 --> 00:15:12,675 the fbi with the child exploitation unit. 292 00:15:12,777 --> 00:15:13,875 It was agents from 293 00:15:13,977 --> 00:15:17,146 the government corruption unit that handcuffed him. 294 00:15:18,615 --> 00:15:21,550 So that suggested to me that there was a political angle 295 00:15:21,652 --> 00:15:22,783 to this thing, 296 00:15:22,885 --> 00:15:24,499 and there has been a great deal of talk about 297 00:15:24,523 --> 00:15:26,154 the prominent political friends 298 00:15:26,256 --> 00:15:28,291 Jeffrey Epstein had and other wealthy friends. 299 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,196 So was this arrest really about going after 300 00:15:33,298 --> 00:15:34,596 Jeffrey's crimes? 301 00:15:34,698 --> 00:15:37,700 Or was this arrest more about going after potential 302 00:15:37,802 --> 00:15:40,170 corruption in government officials 303 00:15:40,272 --> 00:15:42,937 who helped him weasel out of those crimes? 304 00:15:44,277 --> 00:15:46,041 Sarnoff: I believe that Epstein was killed, 305 00:15:47,243 --> 00:15:49,612 and I believe that if he was not, 306 00:15:49,714 --> 00:15:52,416 he would have talked, and he would have 307 00:15:52,518 --> 00:15:53,916 pointed fingers at everyone 308 00:15:54,018 --> 00:15:55,749 he needed to point fingers, 309 00:15:55,889 --> 00:15:59,787 including government officials who looked the other way. 310 00:16:02,626 --> 00:16:04,728 Narrator: Others, however, wonder if some of 311 00:16:04,830 --> 00:16:06,795 the elites Epstein associated with 312 00:16:06,897 --> 00:16:08,832 wanted to silence him due 313 00:16:08,934 --> 00:16:11,366 to information he might have on them. 314 00:16:11,468 --> 00:16:13,103 Kuvin: We know that he had 315 00:16:13,205 --> 00:16:15,903 numerous visitors to his homes. 316 00:16:16,005 --> 00:16:18,441 There are accounts of young girls that worked within home 317 00:16:18,543 --> 00:16:19,807 that saw the cameras, 318 00:16:19,909 --> 00:16:22,478 that saw the recording systems, that he bragged to those girls 319 00:16:22,580 --> 00:16:23,811 about the recording systems. 320 00:16:25,417 --> 00:16:29,186 Dimond: Many people also wonder if Epstein's private jet, 321 00:16:29,288 --> 00:16:31,186 called the Lolita express, 322 00:16:31,288 --> 00:16:34,124 was used as part of a blackmail scheme. 323 00:16:35,526 --> 00:16:37,394 The flight logs that we looked at proved 324 00:16:37,496 --> 00:16:39,628 that Jeffrey Epstein was flying with underage girls. 325 00:16:43,934 --> 00:16:46,603 Oxenberg: In 1997, Ghislaine says to me, 326 00:16:46,705 --> 00:16:50,207 "the plane is wired for video and audio." 327 00:16:50,309 --> 00:16:52,740 she volunteers this information. 328 00:16:52,842 --> 00:16:55,644 Why does she say this to me? 329 00:16:55,746 --> 00:16:57,848 One thing that I know for sure is that if 330 00:16:57,950 --> 00:17:01,586 you're filming your friends, and they don't know about it, 331 00:17:01,688 --> 00:17:03,186 you're not their friend. 332 00:17:05,154 --> 00:17:07,290 Kuvin: If any of that surveillance got out, 333 00:17:07,392 --> 00:17:08,956 it would be incredibly embarrassing. 334 00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:14,065 Narrator: There are many powerful people whose secrets 335 00:17:14,167 --> 00:17:16,731 might have died with Epstein, 336 00:17:16,833 --> 00:17:21,135 but one notorious friendship steals the world's attention 337 00:17:21,237 --> 00:17:23,373 even before Epstein's death. 338 00:17:25,541 --> 00:17:27,643 Sarnoff: According to Virginia Roberts, 339 00:17:27,745 --> 00:17:29,777 she was paid $15,000 340 00:17:29,879 --> 00:17:32,781 to service prince Andrew, 341 00:17:32,883 --> 00:17:35,318 and she services prince Andrew three times 342 00:17:35,420 --> 00:17:36,585 in three different cities... 343 00:17:36,687 --> 00:17:41,256 New york, London, and then united states virgin islands. 344 00:17:41,358 --> 00:17:44,527 Dimond: Once the press heard about Virginia's allegations 345 00:17:44,629 --> 00:17:47,597 against prince Andrew, they went nuts. 346 00:17:47,699 --> 00:17:50,668 Everyone wondered, was there more incriminating 347 00:17:50,770 --> 00:17:53,101 evidence about the prince ready to drop? 348 00:17:54,603 --> 00:17:56,250 Williams: The speculations about Jeffrey Epstein's 349 00:17:56,274 --> 00:17:57,350 friendship with prince Andrew 350 00:17:57,374 --> 00:17:59,343 is increasingly condemnatory. 351 00:17:59,445 --> 00:18:03,714 The royal family are held to a higher level of scrutiny. 352 00:18:04,882 --> 00:18:07,284 They are expected to be greater in terms of 353 00:18:07,386 --> 00:18:08,551 their behavior, 354 00:18:08,653 --> 00:18:11,355 and not just hanging around with someone who's unsavory. 355 00:18:11,457 --> 00:18:12,855 What on earth is he doing? 356 00:18:14,790 --> 00:18:16,326 Narrator: After Epstein's death, 357 00:18:17,328 --> 00:18:19,397 prince Andrew takes to the airwaves 358 00:18:19,499 --> 00:18:22,463 in an effort to clear his name. 359 00:18:22,565 --> 00:18:24,901 I didn't have much time with him. 360 00:18:25,003 --> 00:18:27,234 I suppose I saw him once or twice a year, 361 00:18:27,336 --> 00:18:29,605 perhaps maybe maximum of three times a year. 362 00:18:29,707 --> 00:18:34,309 But it would be... it would be a considerable stretch to say 363 00:18:34,411 --> 00:18:35,946 that he was a very, very close friend. 364 00:18:37,015 --> 00:18:38,813 Williams: Prince Andrew decides that the way 365 00:18:38,915 --> 00:18:40,517 to sort all of this out 366 00:18:40,619 --> 00:18:43,650 is to give an interview to the newsnight program, 367 00:18:43,752 --> 00:18:47,488 a BBC program, which is known for its forensic questioning 368 00:18:47,623 --> 00:18:49,059 of politicians. 369 00:18:49,161 --> 00:18:50,770 I mean, yes, I would go and stay in his house, 370 00:18:50,794 --> 00:18:53,396 but that was because of his girlfriend. 371 00:18:53,498 --> 00:18:56,334 Andrew said he didn't regret his friendship with Epstein, 372 00:18:56,436 --> 00:18:59,200 because through Epstein, he'd been introduced 373 00:18:59,302 --> 00:19:01,238 to so many interesting people. 374 00:19:01,340 --> 00:19:03,404 The people that I met 375 00:19:03,506 --> 00:19:07,008 and the opportunities that I was given to learn... 376 00:19:08,277 --> 00:19:09,446 Um, 377 00:19:09,548 --> 00:19:12,917 either by him or because of him, 378 00:19:13,019 --> 00:19:14,617 were actually very useful. 379 00:19:16,889 --> 00:19:18,954 Narrator: Prince Andrew is pressed about 380 00:19:19,056 --> 00:19:20,487 the incriminating photograph 381 00:19:20,589 --> 00:19:24,491 taken with then 17-year-old Virginia Roberts. 382 00:19:24,593 --> 00:19:27,095 I can tell you, categorically, 383 00:19:28,231 --> 00:19:30,466 I don't remember meeting her 384 00:19:30,568 --> 00:19:35,070 at all, I do not remember a photograph being taken, 385 00:19:35,172 --> 00:19:37,274 and I've said consistently, 386 00:19:37,376 --> 00:19:40,608 and, um, and frequently 387 00:19:41,881 --> 00:19:46,316 that we never had any sort of sexual contact, whatever. 388 00:19:46,418 --> 00:19:48,316 Williams: Prince Andrew has his arms around her, 389 00:19:48,418 --> 00:19:52,353 and Ghislaine Maxwell is in the background, and that photo 390 00:19:52,455 --> 00:19:56,057 really makes it clear that Virginia Roberts did meet 391 00:19:56,159 --> 00:19:58,362 prince Andrew... She did meet him. 392 00:19:59,830 --> 00:20:03,266 I admit fully that... that my... 393 00:20:03,368 --> 00:20:07,703 Judgment was probably colored by my, 394 00:20:07,805 --> 00:20:09,336 um, 395 00:20:09,438 --> 00:20:13,274 tendency to be too honorable, but that's just the way it is. 396 00:20:15,180 --> 00:20:16,789 Williams: Throughout an hour of interview, 397 00:20:16,813 --> 00:20:19,382 prince Andrew never expressed any sympathy for 398 00:20:19,484 --> 00:20:20,484 Epstein's victims, 399 00:20:20,517 --> 00:20:22,619 for these young, exploited girls who suffered 400 00:20:22,721 --> 00:20:24,119 so much. 401 00:20:24,221 --> 00:20:27,524 That terrible interview was just excoriated by the press, 402 00:20:27,626 --> 00:20:28,957 especially the U.K. Press. 403 00:20:30,696 --> 00:20:32,394 Goldman: People say he's not the brightest, 404 00:20:32,496 --> 00:20:34,039 and certainly, if you saw that interview, 405 00:20:34,063 --> 00:20:36,465 you know he's not the brightest, okay, 406 00:20:36,567 --> 00:20:38,969 that he's arrogant and entitled. 407 00:20:40,371 --> 00:20:43,240 Williams: Prince Andrew has to step back from royal duties, 408 00:20:43,342 --> 00:20:45,285 and it's the right thing for the royal family to do. 409 00:20:45,309 --> 00:20:46,977 How on earth could this man, 410 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:50,881 who had been out socializing with a convicted pedophile, 411 00:20:50,983 --> 00:20:52,548 then go and represent the country? 412 00:20:54,050 --> 00:20:56,319 After Epstein's death at the MCC, 413 00:20:56,421 --> 00:21:00,590 it has been reported that the fbi approached the prince. 414 00:21:00,692 --> 00:21:02,256 They wanted to interview him, 415 00:21:02,358 --> 00:21:04,894 and he publicly agreed to cooperate. 416 00:21:04,996 --> 00:21:08,231 Narrator: However, to date, the prince has not interviewed 417 00:21:08,333 --> 00:21:09,731 with the fbi. 418 00:21:12,271 --> 00:21:15,035 Those who believe it was murder also point 419 00:21:15,137 --> 00:21:17,273 to compelling clues found among 420 00:21:17,375 --> 00:21:19,406 the financier's possessions. 421 00:21:19,545 --> 00:21:22,243 After his arrest, the fbi raided 422 00:21:22,345 --> 00:21:26,814 his home in Manhattan on 71st street. 423 00:21:26,916 --> 00:21:30,118 They find troves of pictures of underage girls 424 00:21:30,220 --> 00:21:31,318 and nude pictures, 425 00:21:31,420 --> 00:21:35,056 and possibly pictures with prominent people on them, 426 00:21:35,158 --> 00:21:36,860 potential blackmail information that he had 427 00:21:36,962 --> 00:21:39,660 probably collected from his surveillance cameras. 428 00:21:39,762 --> 00:21:45,301 They cracked open the safe, and the safe contained cash, 429 00:21:45,403 --> 00:21:49,739 I believe $70,000, diamonds, single diamonds. 430 00:21:51,107 --> 00:21:53,476 Narrator: To some, another item found 431 00:21:53,578 --> 00:21:55,076 in Epstein's safe seems to 432 00:21:55,178 --> 00:21:57,414 support the theory that he was connected to 433 00:21:57,516 --> 00:21:59,914 international intelligence. 434 00:22:00,016 --> 00:22:01,184 Volscho: Inside the safe, 435 00:22:01,286 --> 00:22:04,622 they also find a passport with his picture. 436 00:22:05,690 --> 00:22:08,522 Sarnoff: It was issued by Austria 437 00:22:09,694 --> 00:22:15,030 with the address of a crown prince of Saudi Arabia, 438 00:22:16,599 --> 00:22:17,934 which is... 439 00:22:18,036 --> 00:22:20,367 Incredibly odd. 440 00:22:22,007 --> 00:22:26,909 Banfield: It's well known that spies use foreign passports. 441 00:22:27,011 --> 00:22:30,413 So the question became, is it possible that Jeffrey Epstein 442 00:22:30,515 --> 00:22:31,680 was co-opted by 443 00:22:31,782 --> 00:22:34,784 a foreign entity to spy on the rich and powerful 444 00:22:34,886 --> 00:22:36,384 and use a sex ring 445 00:22:36,486 --> 00:22:38,421 to get some pretty compromising 446 00:22:38,556 --> 00:22:42,292 information called, in the business, kompromat? 447 00:22:44,961 --> 00:22:48,129 We also know that, because of his connections 448 00:22:48,231 --> 00:22:49,633 through Ghislaine Maxwell, 449 00:22:49,735 --> 00:22:53,367 that he possibly had high-level security information 450 00:22:53,469 --> 00:22:56,304 on behalf of governments throughout the world, 451 00:22:56,406 --> 00:22:59,075 and there could potentially be people that didn't want him 452 00:22:59,177 --> 00:23:03,046 talking about those connections and things that he knew. 453 00:23:04,448 --> 00:23:07,450 This is someone that a lot of people didn't want talking. 454 00:23:07,552 --> 00:23:11,054 Narrator: Although many believe the secret agent theory explains 455 00:23:11,156 --> 00:23:14,054 both Epstein's wealth and suspicious death, 456 00:23:14,193 --> 00:23:16,625 others find that idea absurd. 457 00:23:16,727 --> 00:23:18,729 But I do know that he certainly 458 00:23:18,831 --> 00:23:21,029 was capable of blackmailing people. 459 00:23:22,501 --> 00:23:25,866 I don't think he was involved in any intelligence operations. 460 00:23:25,968 --> 00:23:27,970 Nonsense. Nonsense. 461 00:23:31,010 --> 00:23:33,474 Narrator: While there's no definitive proof Epstein 462 00:23:33,576 --> 00:23:36,278 had blackmail information on government officials 463 00:23:36,380 --> 00:23:37,878 or the super powerful, 464 00:23:37,980 --> 00:23:42,783 or that he was a spy, one question still remains. 465 00:23:42,922 --> 00:23:46,187 Sarnoff: If somebody killed him, how did they have access 466 00:23:46,289 --> 00:23:47,691 to his cell? 467 00:23:47,793 --> 00:23:49,257 How did they organize? 468 00:23:51,163 --> 00:23:53,328 This was an organized killing. 469 00:23:59,069 --> 00:24:02,338 Narrator: Amidst a sea of theories surrounding powerful 470 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,509 figures who might have ordered Epstein's murder, 471 00:24:05,611 --> 00:24:09,109 the question is, who could have done it 472 00:24:09,211 --> 00:24:11,846 inside prison walls? 473 00:24:11,948 --> 00:24:13,595 Schoen: But I think, if my theory is right, 474 00:24:13,619 --> 00:24:15,184 it would have to be another inmate. 475 00:24:15,286 --> 00:24:16,817 Jeffrey told me that he was 476 00:24:16,919 --> 00:24:20,221 very concerned about being incarcerated there. 477 00:24:20,323 --> 00:24:22,125 People were constantly commenting about him. 478 00:24:23,361 --> 00:24:24,992 Someone who is charged with the kinds 479 00:24:25,094 --> 00:24:27,896 of crimes that Jeffrey Epstein was charged with, 480 00:24:27,998 --> 00:24:30,900 fooling around with 14-, 15-, 16-year-old girls, 481 00:24:31,002 --> 00:24:34,171 is going to be persona non grata. 482 00:24:34,273 --> 00:24:37,138 Even to the most vile of other prisoners, 483 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,308 this is gonna be repulsive. 484 00:24:40,644 --> 00:24:42,924 Schoen: The question is how did someone get in and get out? 485 00:24:42,948 --> 00:24:45,779 Well, I've learned a great deal about what inmates, 486 00:24:45,881 --> 00:24:48,717 through their ingenuity, do and not do. 487 00:24:48,819 --> 00:24:51,687 People are very, very inventive in 488 00:24:51,789 --> 00:24:53,154 these situations. 489 00:24:57,993 --> 00:25:00,395 Narrator: Some close to Epstein quickly 490 00:25:00,497 --> 00:25:03,566 point the finger at a possible suspect. 491 00:25:03,668 --> 00:25:06,670 Remember that first time that Jeffrey Epstein was suspected 492 00:25:06,739 --> 00:25:09,704 of attempting suicide and put on a suicide watch? 493 00:25:09,806 --> 00:25:12,474 At that time, he had a cellmate, 494 00:25:12,576 --> 00:25:15,212 a muscle-bound suspected murderer 495 00:25:15,314 --> 00:25:17,245 named Nicholas Tartaglione. 496 00:25:19,151 --> 00:25:21,616 Wecht: Tartaglione was a former cop, 497 00:25:21,718 --> 00:25:27,087 240, 50 pounds, muscular, um, burly guy. 498 00:25:29,259 --> 00:25:31,928 He was charged with four murders 499 00:25:32,030 --> 00:25:34,128 and is looking at a death sentence. 500 00:25:37,434 --> 00:25:40,570 Epstein reportedly told his lawyers, who came to visit him 501 00:25:40,672 --> 00:25:45,274 almost every single day, that he was scared of Tartaglione. 502 00:25:45,376 --> 00:25:46,540 He said that Tartaglione was 503 00:25:46,642 --> 00:25:48,511 on a mission to, quote, "rough him up." 504 00:25:50,180 --> 00:25:52,615 Mersey: Jeffrey had some abrasions on his neck 505 00:25:52,717 --> 00:25:54,549 after the first incident, 506 00:25:55,584 --> 00:25:58,153 which nobody really ever figured out, 507 00:25:58,255 --> 00:25:59,786 was it a suicide attempt, 508 00:25:59,926 --> 00:26:01,924 or was it his bunkie attacking him? 509 00:26:02,959 --> 00:26:04,206 I asked him, I said, what... I said, 510 00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:06,561 "what happened, Jeffrey, that night?" 511 00:26:06,663 --> 00:26:08,765 and he said, "I don't know. 512 00:26:08,867 --> 00:26:10,547 "I got up in the middle of the night to get 513 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,432 "a drink of water. 514 00:26:11,534 --> 00:26:13,014 I don't remember anything after that." 515 00:26:14,938 --> 00:26:17,440 according to Tartaglione's attorney, 516 00:26:17,542 --> 00:26:20,977 when Epstein tried to commit suicide the first time, 517 00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:23,244 that Tartaglione was the one who alerted 518 00:26:23,346 --> 00:26:25,515 all the guards and tried to save him. 519 00:26:25,617 --> 00:26:28,852 Narrator: And the strongest proof exonerating Tartaglione 520 00:26:28,954 --> 00:26:32,519 for Epstein's murder lies in his alibi. 521 00:26:32,621 --> 00:26:34,890 Tartaglione had been transferred out of 522 00:26:34,992 --> 00:26:36,056 Epstein's cell 523 00:26:36,158 --> 00:26:40,127 after that first suicide attempt and before his death. 524 00:26:41,266 --> 00:26:43,764 And so the likelihood that somehow this big, 525 00:26:43,866 --> 00:26:46,702 hulking guy could have made his way back 526 00:26:46,804 --> 00:26:49,206 to Jeffrey's Epstein cell, 527 00:26:49,308 --> 00:26:52,673 killed Epstein, and then slinked off into the, you know, 528 00:26:52,775 --> 00:26:53,810 jail nighttime... 529 00:26:53,912 --> 00:26:55,610 It just doesn't sound reasonable. 530 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,989 Narrator: Epstein's inmate suicide watch counselor, 531 00:27:06,091 --> 00:27:07,322 bill Mersey, 532 00:27:07,424 --> 00:27:11,860 is one of the last people to have spoken with Epstein. 533 00:27:11,962 --> 00:27:16,531 Mersey: I probably spent five or six four-hour shifts in 534 00:27:16,633 --> 00:27:20,235 the presence of Jeffrey Epstein with me watching him. 535 00:27:20,337 --> 00:27:22,839 He didn't talk about prince Andrew or anybody else. 536 00:27:23,907 --> 00:27:26,109 He didn't really volunteer information. 537 00:27:26,211 --> 00:27:29,343 For a suicide inmate, he was pretty well adjusted. 538 00:27:29,445 --> 00:27:32,447 He wasn't a prima Donna or a diva. 539 00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:33,447 He didn't complain. 540 00:27:33,549 --> 00:27:35,418 The only complaint I ever heard from him 541 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,684 was they gave him the wrong laxative. 542 00:27:41,957 --> 00:27:44,559 He didn't strike me as depressed, 543 00:27:44,661 --> 00:27:47,697 but he was really apprehensive about prison life. 544 00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:49,163 He was scared. 545 00:27:50,536 --> 00:27:52,167 In the middle of conversations, 546 00:27:52,269 --> 00:27:54,605 his eyes would drift off, like... 547 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,742 "oh my god, I'm in prison, am I ever gonna get out of here?" 548 00:28:01,044 --> 00:28:02,709 prison... it's not a fun place. 549 00:28:03,982 --> 00:28:06,713 You're in your cell 23 hours a day. 550 00:28:06,815 --> 00:28:10,217 You shower three times a week, and there's mice 551 00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:11,319 and there's water bugs, 552 00:28:11,423 --> 00:28:14,321 and it's real noisy, and it's cold. 553 00:28:16,361 --> 00:28:17,459 It's a long way down from 554 00:28:17,561 --> 00:28:20,363 a $77 million mansion on the upper east side. 555 00:28:26,102 --> 00:28:29,104 There's no way that somebody got in there and killed him. 556 00:28:29,206 --> 00:28:30,549 You know how many people you'd have to 557 00:28:30,573 --> 00:28:33,642 pay off to get in there and kill him? 558 00:28:33,744 --> 00:28:35,712 It's just... no way. 559 00:28:38,048 --> 00:28:41,983 That said, some of the people that Jeffrey Epstein could have 560 00:28:42,085 --> 00:28:45,421 ruined with his secrets... They had plenty of money 561 00:28:45,523 --> 00:28:47,087 to pay anybody off. 562 00:28:47,189 --> 00:28:50,091 Narrator: One striking piece of anecdotal evidence that 563 00:28:50,193 --> 00:28:52,295 supports the theory of suicide 564 00:28:52,397 --> 00:28:54,795 can be found in the records of Epstein's 565 00:28:54,897 --> 00:28:56,866 vast wealth. 566 00:28:56,968 --> 00:29:00,170 Volscho: Epstein, 48 hours prior to him killing himself, 567 00:29:00,272 --> 00:29:04,104 if that's what happened, refiles and changes his will 568 00:29:04,243 --> 00:29:06,974 to be collapsed into a trust in the virgin islands. 569 00:29:08,043 --> 00:29:10,078 People in the virgin islands that are older, 570 00:29:10,180 --> 00:29:11,445 their lawyers advise them, 571 00:29:11,547 --> 00:29:14,916 "don't file your estate or your will or your probate in 572 00:29:15,018 --> 00:29:17,053 "the virgin islands... File it in the mainland, 573 00:29:17,155 --> 00:29:20,857 "because it'll take 9, 10 years before people 574 00:29:20,959 --> 00:29:23,057 in your will see any of the benefits of that." 575 00:29:26,363 --> 00:29:28,361 so this will make it very difficult for victims 576 00:29:28,463 --> 00:29:31,832 to get any type of restitution from his estate. 577 00:29:35,938 --> 00:29:39,674 Banfield: Tying up all his money in international red tape, 578 00:29:39,776 --> 00:29:43,011 that very well might have been a final "f you" 579 00:29:43,113 --> 00:29:44,278 to his victims if, 580 00:29:44,380 --> 00:29:46,249 in fact, he was planning to kill himself. 581 00:29:47,551 --> 00:29:49,719 Mersey: For all the conspiracy theorists out there 582 00:29:49,821 --> 00:29:53,623 about Jeffrey Epstein's suicide versus murder, 583 00:29:53,725 --> 00:29:55,957 this is what I say... You're the same guys 584 00:29:56,059 --> 00:29:58,394 who think that the moon landing was a fake. 585 00:30:01,430 --> 00:30:03,298 Don't be ridiculous. 586 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,365 Get over it. He killed himself. 587 00:30:05,467 --> 00:30:06,502 You're tripping. 588 00:30:06,604 --> 00:30:09,002 There's no question about it in my mind. 589 00:30:10,442 --> 00:30:11,442 Case closed for me. 590 00:30:14,013 --> 00:30:15,544 Dimond: As far as how Epstein died, 591 00:30:15,646 --> 00:30:18,448 people either firmly believe he committed suicide, 592 00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:21,948 or they strongly believe he was murdered. 593 00:30:22,087 --> 00:30:24,619 But there could be a third possibility. 594 00:30:24,721 --> 00:30:26,390 What if Epstein did, in fact, 595 00:30:26,492 --> 00:30:29,323 hang himself, and he had help doing it? 596 00:30:39,402 --> 00:30:41,971 Investigators and lawyers have more questions than 597 00:30:42,073 --> 00:30:43,371 answers about what happened 598 00:30:43,473 --> 00:30:46,941 inside that new york jail at dawn Saturday. 599 00:30:47,043 --> 00:30:49,412 I think it was a homicide, but, um, 600 00:30:49,514 --> 00:30:50,634 I don't know who killed him. 601 00:30:53,585 --> 00:30:55,850 This simplest answer to me always rings true, 602 00:30:55,952 --> 00:30:58,054 and the simplest answer is he killed himself, 603 00:30:58,156 --> 00:31:00,036 uh, because he didn't want his secrets revealed. 604 00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:03,791 I think he was ready to sing, 605 00:31:03,893 --> 00:31:05,895 and perhaps that's why he was murdered. 606 00:31:11,535 --> 00:31:14,803 The attorney general of the united states decides to 607 00:31:14,905 --> 00:31:15,937 weigh in on this case, 608 00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:19,441 William Barr, and he says that this was no murder. 609 00:31:19,543 --> 00:31:21,612 He says this was just a perfect storm 610 00:31:21,714 --> 00:31:24,512 of screwups within the prison system. 611 00:31:24,614 --> 00:31:26,482 Barr: I was appalled, 612 00:31:26,584 --> 00:31:28,982 and indeed the whole department was, 613 00:31:29,084 --> 00:31:31,386 and frankly, angry, 614 00:31:31,488 --> 00:31:33,386 to learn 615 00:31:33,488 --> 00:31:37,657 of the MCC's failure to adequately secure this prisoner. 616 00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:40,461 But come on, Epstein was 617 00:31:40,563 --> 00:31:43,565 the most high-profile prisoner in the entire 618 00:31:43,667 --> 00:31:45,265 system at the time. 619 00:31:45,367 --> 00:31:49,036 What if these failures that Barr talked about weren't failures 620 00:31:49,138 --> 00:31:51,874 but rather deliberate acts of incompetence 621 00:31:51,976 --> 00:31:54,444 that allowed Epstein to take his own life. 622 00:31:59,584 --> 00:32:02,382 I do know that they put him on suicide watch, 623 00:32:02,484 --> 00:32:04,952 and then, inexplicably, they took him off. 624 00:32:05,054 --> 00:32:07,423 Why? Why would you do that? 625 00:32:09,192 --> 00:32:11,461 Sarnoff: They released him within a week. 626 00:32:11,563 --> 00:32:13,927 That's absurd. Unheard of. Absurd. 627 00:32:15,267 --> 00:32:17,076 Connolly: He should have been on suicide watch, 628 00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:18,765 but somebody wanted him off 629 00:32:18,867 --> 00:32:20,669 who had to choose to make that happen. 630 00:32:22,204 --> 00:32:25,506 He is now by himself... The very next day, 631 00:32:25,608 --> 00:32:27,544 we have Epstein found dead. 632 00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:34,048 Epstein had extension cords in this cell block. 633 00:32:34,150 --> 00:32:36,619 He had sheets at his disposal. 634 00:32:38,687 --> 00:32:41,789 Wecht: And guess what? The two guards who were assigned 635 00:32:41,891 --> 00:32:47,060 to watch him on a 24-hour basis were so tired 636 00:32:47,162 --> 00:32:49,564 from being overworked that they fell asleep. 637 00:32:53,637 --> 00:32:56,639 It would be astronomical odds that you would have all of 638 00:32:56,741 --> 00:32:58,539 those things occur at that particular time 639 00:32:58,641 --> 00:32:59,641 in that fashion, 640 00:32:59,674 --> 00:33:02,810 especially in this kind of a federal prison. 641 00:33:02,912 --> 00:33:05,347 It seems like almost it was an invitation. 642 00:33:07,649 --> 00:33:10,418 Kuvin: Like they were saying, "please kill yourself. 643 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,522 Here's all the stuff you need to do it." 644 00:33:14,057 --> 00:33:16,626 bloom: Jeffrey Epstein was by far the most 645 00:33:16,728 --> 00:33:19,893 famous person in that jail at that time. 646 00:33:19,995 --> 00:33:22,242 Everybody was interested in what he was doing every minute 647 00:33:22,266 --> 00:33:23,730 of the day, everything he ate, 648 00:33:23,832 --> 00:33:25,168 everybody who came to visit him, 649 00:33:25,270 --> 00:33:28,434 and I just... I'm very skeptical. 650 00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:34,076 Maybe someone very powerful knew that Epstein 651 00:33:34,178 --> 00:33:35,776 was on the edge 652 00:33:35,878 --> 00:33:38,147 and then decided to just turn up the heat. 653 00:33:42,453 --> 00:33:44,684 Narrator: Even more shocking to some, 654 00:33:44,786 --> 00:33:48,488 the only individuals charged with crimes to date are those 655 00:33:48,623 --> 00:33:51,092 at the bottom of the jail's hierarchy... 656 00:33:51,194 --> 00:33:54,296 Prison guards Michael Thomas and Tova Noel. 657 00:33:57,236 --> 00:33:59,000 I'm Montell Figgins, 658 00:33:59,102 --> 00:34:01,738 the defense attorney for Michael Thomas. 659 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,004 Michael Thomas and miss noel 660 00:34:04,106 --> 00:34:06,142 were on duty at the time 661 00:34:06,244 --> 00:34:09,679 that Jeffrey Epstein was found to have died. 662 00:34:11,515 --> 00:34:15,883 After the death of Mr. Epstein, there was a huge investigation 663 00:34:15,985 --> 00:34:20,954 into how he died and what role the guards 664 00:34:21,090 --> 00:34:22,292 may have played in that. 665 00:34:22,394 --> 00:34:25,425 Mr. Thomas as well as his co-defendant, 666 00:34:25,527 --> 00:34:30,600 miss noel, they were indicted for making false statements in 667 00:34:30,702 --> 00:34:34,371 the logs regarding the checks 668 00:34:34,473 --> 00:34:36,971 and the rounds that they were supposed to do. 669 00:34:37,073 --> 00:34:39,975 But the system itself is what failed 670 00:34:40,077 --> 00:34:41,775 and allowed this to happen. 671 00:34:41,877 --> 00:34:44,879 The bureau of prisons didn't have enough people working, 672 00:34:44,981 --> 00:34:49,083 so the administrative officials were allowing many 673 00:34:49,185 --> 00:34:52,754 individuals to work multiple shifts in a row. 674 00:34:52,856 --> 00:34:56,858 Now Mr. Thomas faces up to five years in jail. 675 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,495 This is very rare that a guard 676 00:34:59,597 --> 00:35:01,295 would be charged with a criminal offense 677 00:35:01,397 --> 00:35:04,533 in this situation... It's my position that 678 00:35:04,635 --> 00:35:07,170 the guards in this case are being scapegoated. 679 00:35:08,739 --> 00:35:11,774 Goldman: I am outraged that the only two people 680 00:35:11,876 --> 00:35:15,411 who may go to jail in the entire Epstein affair 681 00:35:15,513 --> 00:35:18,445 are two African-American prison guards 682 00:35:18,547 --> 00:35:21,749 that were at MCC the night that 683 00:35:21,851 --> 00:35:23,753 Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. 684 00:35:24,855 --> 00:35:26,453 Maybe they should be suspended. 685 00:35:26,555 --> 00:35:29,190 Maybe they should be fired, but that they should go 686 00:35:29,292 --> 00:35:33,128 to jail... no, no, no, that's just not okay. 687 00:35:35,363 --> 00:35:38,732 The question remains why everyone in upper-level staff 688 00:35:38,834 --> 00:35:40,203 is able to keep their jobs, 689 00:35:40,305 --> 00:35:41,969 keep their pensions, 690 00:35:42,071 --> 00:35:44,573 not face any jail time. 691 00:35:44,675 --> 00:35:47,240 We will get to the bottom of what happened, 692 00:35:47,342 --> 00:35:48,911 and there will be accountability. 693 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,482 Banfield: But even attorney general Barr has 694 00:35:53,584 --> 00:35:55,848 a bizarre connection to this case. 695 00:35:55,950 --> 00:35:59,186 Remember, his father was the headmaster of 696 00:35:59,288 --> 00:36:02,256 the Dalton school, that elite school in Manhattan 697 00:36:02,358 --> 00:36:03,956 where Jeffrey Epstein, you know, 698 00:36:04,058 --> 00:36:05,361 got a job as a teacher, 699 00:36:05,463 --> 00:36:07,861 and it just seems like everybody who was investigating 700 00:36:07,963 --> 00:36:09,765 Jeffrey Epstein had some weird, 701 00:36:09,867 --> 00:36:11,398 twisted connection to him, 702 00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:12,802 which begs the question, 703 00:36:12,904 --> 00:36:16,135 is this case ever gonna actually be solved? 704 00:36:18,242 --> 00:36:21,610 Narrator: Another question is whether the financier's alleged 705 00:36:21,712 --> 00:36:25,048 co-conspirators will ever face justice. 706 00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:28,714 Connolly: Maxwell... She's in hiding somewhere. 707 00:36:28,854 --> 00:36:31,885 Nobody knows where she is. 708 00:36:31,987 --> 00:36:33,867 A lot of people would like to know where she is. 709 00:36:34,858 --> 00:36:38,193 Oxenberg: In 1997, or maybe it was '98, 710 00:36:38,295 --> 00:36:41,464 Ghislaine told me, very proudly, that 711 00:36:41,566 --> 00:36:43,864 she'd got her helicopter license. 712 00:36:43,966 --> 00:36:46,468 And I said to her, "why on earth 713 00:36:46,570 --> 00:36:49,406 "would you want such a thing? So dangerous. 714 00:36:49,508 --> 00:36:51,706 Why would you do that? Why would you want that?" 715 00:36:51,808 --> 00:36:54,343 and she said, "for secrecy." 716 00:36:55,378 --> 00:36:57,947 Hoffenberg: She's a fugitive now. 717 00:36:58,049 --> 00:37:00,780 Ghislaine Maxwell is a fugitive. 718 00:37:02,687 --> 00:37:04,751 Farmer: I would love to see justice in the form of 719 00:37:04,853 --> 00:37:06,255 every co-conspirator needs to be 720 00:37:06,357 --> 00:37:07,357 behind bars. 721 00:37:07,457 --> 00:37:09,322 They belong there. They're criminals. 722 00:37:15,132 --> 00:37:17,397 Narrator: Now that Jeffrey Epstein is dead 723 00:37:17,499 --> 00:37:21,001 and the investigation shrouded in mystery and doubt, 724 00:37:21,103 --> 00:37:25,138 many wonder what will become of the decade's most 725 00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:26,909 controversial saga. 726 00:37:29,044 --> 00:37:32,147 Sarnoff: The Epstein case goes from 727 00:37:32,249 --> 00:37:35,717 palm beach to new york 728 00:37:36,819 --> 00:37:40,188 to the white house to Buckingham palace, 729 00:37:40,323 --> 00:37:42,421 where you have politicians, 730 00:37:43,861 --> 00:37:46,663 business leaders, opinion makers, 731 00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:49,896 very powerful people implicated in one way 732 00:37:49,998 --> 00:37:52,834 or another... it's so expansive. 733 00:37:52,936 --> 00:37:54,634 It is a global case. 734 00:37:55,740 --> 00:37:58,704 It crosses the political barrier, 735 00:37:58,806 --> 00:38:04,713 and it is the longest-running child sex trafficking case 736 00:38:04,815 --> 00:38:06,979 in U.S. Legal history to date. 737 00:38:09,052 --> 00:38:11,554 What's important about this story is the lawyers 738 00:38:11,656 --> 00:38:14,187 and the prosecutors and the U.S. Attorney 739 00:38:14,289 --> 00:38:16,058 who let him off the hook. 740 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,525 You can't have this in a society, 741 00:38:18,627 --> 00:38:21,562 and Acosta and Krischer... 742 00:38:21,664 --> 00:38:23,933 They should be held responsible for what they did. 743 00:38:27,302 --> 00:38:29,237 Sarnoff: What this case has, I think, 744 00:38:29,339 --> 00:38:31,741 shown is that we live in 745 00:38:31,843 --> 00:38:34,508 a society with two systems of justice, 746 00:38:34,610 --> 00:38:37,179 one for the rich and one for the poor. 747 00:38:37,281 --> 00:38:39,045 And Epstein knew this all along. 748 00:38:39,147 --> 00:38:40,147 Jeffrey knew that. 749 00:38:41,551 --> 00:38:44,820 All these people, from federal prosecutors to politicians 750 00:38:44,922 --> 00:38:48,124 to prison officials, say there will be accountability. 751 00:38:48,226 --> 00:38:50,924 Really? I don't see any indictments. 752 00:38:51,026 --> 00:38:53,162 No accountability at all. 753 00:38:53,264 --> 00:38:55,595 To me, it's just been a travesty. 754 00:39:02,439 --> 00:39:04,181 Do I feel his death was an appropriate punishment? 755 00:39:04,205 --> 00:39:06,274 Absolutely not. It gives nobody justice, 756 00:39:06,376 --> 00:39:10,445 and it leaves a lot of unanswered questions. 757 00:39:10,547 --> 00:39:13,082 Bloom: The scale of what he did is almost 758 00:39:13,184 --> 00:39:15,549 too much for the human mind to take in. 759 00:39:15,651 --> 00:39:18,286 We are talking about, at a minimum, hundreds of 760 00:39:18,388 --> 00:39:20,320 victims, potentially thousands, I believe 761 00:39:20,422 --> 00:39:22,357 it was probably thousands of victims, 762 00:39:24,526 --> 00:39:26,694 because I believe those who came forward are just 763 00:39:26,796 --> 00:39:29,999 the tip of the iceberg, most of them are never going to want to 764 00:39:30,101 --> 00:39:31,332 come forward. 765 00:39:32,767 --> 00:39:36,003 And the victims are getting zero right now. 766 00:39:36,105 --> 00:39:39,173 No more payments being issued. 767 00:39:39,275 --> 00:39:40,840 Not any money. 768 00:39:43,646 --> 00:39:46,015 And I think everybody wants to 769 00:39:46,117 --> 00:39:48,248 see justice for the victims here. 770 00:39:48,350 --> 00:39:50,519 If I could wave a magic wand, 771 00:39:50,621 --> 00:39:52,752 all of his estate would go to his victims. 772 00:39:57,558 --> 00:39:58,798 I'd say it's pretty empowering. 773 00:39:58,896 --> 00:39:59,896 It's also... 774 00:40:01,262 --> 00:40:02,931 Pretty upsetting to see how many lives 775 00:40:03,033 --> 00:40:04,965 he's devastated and to see 776 00:40:06,071 --> 00:40:09,502 how long this went on for, and nobody did anything about it. 777 00:40:11,175 --> 00:40:14,444 And why did no one do anything about it? 778 00:40:14,546 --> 00:40:16,377 Well, if you think about it, 779 00:40:16,479 --> 00:40:18,781 Epstein and Maxwell both maintained that there were 780 00:40:18,883 --> 00:40:22,418 recording devices in the mansions and the properties 781 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,052 and the fancy jet, 782 00:40:24,154 --> 00:40:26,152 and there were a lot of really important, 783 00:40:26,254 --> 00:40:29,722 powerful people that trafficked through those areas. 784 00:40:29,824 --> 00:40:32,260 So wisdom might have it that there's some 785 00:40:32,362 --> 00:40:36,531 pretty compromising video and sound somewhere out there. 786 00:40:38,737 --> 00:40:41,535 Dimond: I can only hope that someday it leaks out, 787 00:40:41,637 --> 00:40:47,543 and the guilty parties get what's coming to them. 788 00:40:49,545 --> 00:40:51,514 Farmer: I felt I was held to silence 789 00:40:51,616 --> 00:40:54,314 for so long and suffocated by silence. 790 00:40:54,416 --> 00:40:57,018 I gave up everything, and I mean everything, 791 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,451 because I gave up my health, too. 792 00:40:58,553 --> 00:41:01,155 Now, I'm very, very sick with a brain tumor, 793 00:41:01,257 --> 00:41:03,259 so I'm drawing this project. 794 00:41:03,361 --> 00:41:06,359 This tree is the tree of rotten apples. 795 00:41:06,461 --> 00:41:09,363 These are the evil roots of the apple tree... 796 00:41:09,465 --> 00:41:12,467 Alex Acosta, Alan Dershowitz, 797 00:41:12,569 --> 00:41:14,267 les Wexner. 798 00:41:14,369 --> 00:41:17,205 I put Jeffrey Epstein up in this ufo, 799 00:41:17,307 --> 00:41:19,776 because he's free and easy, flying around. 800 00:41:19,878 --> 00:41:24,380 So Maxwell, you know, her pearls and fetching children. 801 00:41:24,482 --> 00:41:26,346 It's really creepy. 802 00:41:26,448 --> 00:41:29,551 All I wanted was for people to know the truth, 803 00:41:29,653 --> 00:41:31,955 and I'm not going to be quiet about it. 804 00:41:32,057 --> 00:41:33,621 I'm not going to be quiet. 805 00:41:36,761 --> 00:41:40,163 I'm doing the series, drawing all the women, 806 00:41:40,265 --> 00:41:42,129 all their portraits, 807 00:41:42,231 --> 00:41:44,534 honoring them, because they're victims, 808 00:41:44,636 --> 00:41:46,000 but they're also survivors. 809 00:41:47,402 --> 00:41:50,271 I'm giving them each a drawing 810 00:41:50,373 --> 00:41:52,508 so that they know that they matter. 811 00:41:54,644 --> 00:41:56,546 We're binding together, and there's strength 812 00:41:56,648 --> 00:41:58,379 in numbers, let me tell you something. 813 00:41:59,748 --> 00:42:01,428 They aren't gonna get away with it anymore. 814 00:42:03,052 --> 00:42:06,387 2020 is the year that the predators become the prey. 815 00:42:09,027 --> 00:42:10,707 It would be a wonderful thing, wouldn't it? 64358

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