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Narrator: Despite battling
numerous civil suits
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from victims following
his release from jail,
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Jeffrey Epstein manages to
fade from public view until
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a series of events in 2017
plunges him
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back into the spotlight.
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The nominee for secretary
of the department of labor
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will be Mr. Alex Acosta.
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Narrator: Acosta's appointment
piques the interest of
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an investigative reporter
from the Miami herald,
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Julie K. Brown.
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Julie had been a champion in
reporting on women's issues,
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and she was definitely aware
of Jeffrey Epstein
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and the sweetheart deal
that Acosta had
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signed off on in Florida
back in 2007.
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Kuvin: You gotta put this in
perspective with respect
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to the time.
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So you're looking at 2007,
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this was a time and age
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where the me too movement
didn't exist.
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You know, bill Cosby
was still America's dad.
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Harvey Weinstein was still
a wonderful producer
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in Hollywood.
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Narrator: Outraged by the NPA
and empowered by the recent
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me too movement,
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Julie brown embarks on her own
investigation of Epstein's
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sex trafficking charges.
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Dimond: She got the entire
unredacted palm beach
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police department file
on Jeffrey Epstein.
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She also got statements from
the witnesses that no one
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had ever seen before, because
they'd been under court seal.
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Yeah, I had been
just curious about
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where are these girls now?
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And what do they think
about this deal?
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I mean, and how did
this affect their lives?
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Narrator: Brown tracks down
over 60 victims,
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including many who had
interviewed with
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palm beach police earlier.
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Narrator: Brown compiles her
research into a comprehensive
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three-part series
for the Miami herald
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in November 2018.
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It's an explosive
investigative series
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by the Miami herald.
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The title is
"perversion of justice."
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Banfield: While the 2007 palm
beach investigation really,
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for the most part, flew under
the radar of the national press,
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Julie's reporting on Epstein's
crimes and then that subsequent
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sweetheart deal, well that
ignited a powder keg in 2018.
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Narrator: The attention prompts
the fbi to reopen
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its investigation,
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compile evidence and witness
testimony, and this time, act.
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Volscho: July 6, 2019,
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Jeffrey Epstein takes off
around nine in the morning from
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Paris and lands in
Teterboro, new jersey,
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around 4:30 to 5 o'clock.
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It's at that point
that his life changes.
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An NYPD fbi joint task force
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has a clandestine operation
set up at the airport
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by surprise.
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Sarnoff: He was arrested
the moment he landed
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for solicitation
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of child sex trafficking
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and conspiracy to commit
child sex trafficking.
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Man: United states attorney
Geoffrey Berman
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announced the indictment
against Jeffrey Epstein,
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the politically connected
financier now facing up to
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45 years in prison on child sex
trafficking charges.
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Hoffenberg: Jeffrey Epstein was
taken to the federal prison
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in new york city,
the metropolitan
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correctional center.
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Volscho: It's cold.
There's vermin.
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There's understaffing issues.
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There's equipment issues.
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I'm pretty sure the bathroom in
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his airplane was larger
than the cell he was occupying.
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The whole situation was
surreal to him,
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to be locked up like this
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in a place like this...
He'd never been
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exposed to something
like this before.
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Narrator:
News of Epstein's arrest
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ramps up scrutiny
on the financier's
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many powerful friends.
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Dimond:
After Epstein's arrest in 2019,
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bill gates said publicly
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that he had no business
or personal relationship
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with Epstein.
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However, it has been reported
that gates was seen
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at Epstein's Manhattan
townhouse several times
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in those final years.
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Narrator: Bill Clinton flew on
Epstein's plane several times.
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And Ghislaine Maxwell, in 2010,
at Chelsea's wedding,
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and so there's quite
a relationship there.
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But a spokesperson
for bill Clinton said that
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the former president has
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not even spoken
to Jeffrey Epstein
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in well over a decade.
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Come on in.
Go inside.
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Now, lots of reporters are
digging in, and pretty soon,
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a scandalous 1992 video from
a party at mar-a-lago surfaces.
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Woman: Trump alternates
between dancing
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and pointing out women
to Epstein.
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Trump gestures to one
and appears to say to Epstein,
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"look at her back there.
She's hot."
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in the video,
it is crystal clear.
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You can see Jeffrey Epstein
right up next to Donald trump,
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and the two of them, together,
are gawking and groping
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young women, and frankly,
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it's just appalling.
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Volscho: Donald trump gets
peppered with questions
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about Jeffrey Epstein,
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and he just kind of distances
himself from Epstein.
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I haven't spoken to him in
probably 15 years or more.
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I wasn't a big fan of Jeffrey
Epstein, that I can tell you.
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This is a far cry
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from Donald trump's
statement in 2002 praising
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Jeffrey Epstein
as a terrific guy.
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Volscho: The reality was that
Jeffrey Epstein
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and Donald trump were close
for a number of years,
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Banfield: But the heat wasn't
just on Donald trump.
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It was also on his newly
minted secretary of labor,
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Alexander Acosta.
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Acosta, the architect of
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that 2007 sweetheart deal
in Florida.
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Acosta hands in
his resignation only
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a few days after Epstein
is arrested.
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Acosta: It would be selfish
for me to stay in this position
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and continue talking
about a case that's 12 years old
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rather than about
the amazing economy we have
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right now.
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Woman: President trump
saying today
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he still supports Acosta.
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I'm with him.
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He was a...
He's a tremendous talent.
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He's a Hispanic man.
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He went to Harvard.
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Banfield: It was a pretty
flip way to refer
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to the abuse of dozens of
girls, right?
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Calling it a case that's
12 years old and the fact that
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neither of them actually
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expressed any sympathy
for these girls,
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these kids, it just... it just
seemed really unsettling.
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Schoen: Jeffrey Epstein
had asked me to formally
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take over the case.
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I said to him
that I would do it,
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because I wanted
to help him on the case,
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and he was very upbeat
and excited about the strategies
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that we had discussed.
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He was looking forward
to fighting his case.
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Epstein was an arrogant man.
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He felt that he was not only
above the law, in every way,
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he believed that he was smarter
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than most other people.
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He believed he could buy
everything and everyone.
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Woman:
Will he give up the names of
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the powerful men he allegedly
serviced with underage girls?
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One of the options that's gonna
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be potentially available
to him is cooperation.
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Dimond: One would have
to imagine that a lot
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of Epstein's powerful friends
were squirming at this point.
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They had to wonder,
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would Epstein give up
their secrets to save himself?
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Man: The 66-year-old
multimillionaire hedge fund
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manager, Jeffrey Epstein,
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was found unresponsive
in his cell Saturday morning.
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Jeffrey Epstein's death is
all over every television
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network that you could imagine.
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Man: One source tells CBS news
Epstein hanged himself.
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Schoen: I was shocked.
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Suicide didn't seem
likely to me.
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He was planning to fight
the case, clear his name.
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I knew there would be
a medical examination
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immediately,
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so I suggested that the family
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send in an independent
medical examiner.
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I've done this before.
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I suggested Michael Baden.
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I think he's one of the best
in the world.
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My name is
Cyril H. Wecht.
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I am a forensic pathologist.
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I have been studying
the Epstein case since I was
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first contacted by my colleague,
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Dr. Michael Baden.
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Dr. Baden has a wealth
of experience,
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including cases involving
hangings in jails.
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He attended the autopsy as
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the official representative
of the Epstein family.
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Narrator: Six days later,
the state medical examiner
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releases the autopsy results.
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Wecht: The chief medical
examiner ruled the manner
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of death as suicide.
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I think that people have
understandable suspicions
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given the background of
Jeffrey Epstein.
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Narrator:
Dr. Michael Baden goes public
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with his own conclusion.
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Well, I was asked by
the brother, the next of kin,
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to be at the autopsy, and at
the autopsy, on day one,
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there were findings that were
unusual for suicidal hanging.
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Narrator: Several aspects of
Epstein's death are troubling to
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the renowned pathologist,
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beginning with what was found
inside Epstein's prison cell.
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If you look at the photographs,
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the postmortems
of his jail cell,
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and you look at how many bed
sheets were inside that cell,
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he's given tens of bed sheets.
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Dimond: He's also got
a sleep apnea machine
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with long electrical
cords attached.
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Now, remember, this is a man who
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they thought had attempted
suicide just weeks earlier.
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Wecht: How in the world,
if you have someone
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on suicide watch,
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would you allow those kinds of
physical structures to be
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present in the cell?
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How do you think people
hang themselves?
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So this is bothersome.
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Narrator: Examining Epstein's
neck abrasions
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during the autopsy,
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Baden notices more
peculiarities.
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Wecht: The mark around the neck
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of a person
who has been strangled
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or who has hanged himself
is what we call a furrow.
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Banfield: Usually in hangings,
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the furrow mark is found up
high in the neck, sort of right
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under the jaw line, because if
you think about it,
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the noose slides up the neck
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as the weight of the body
is pulled down.
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Wecht: It is important to see
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and note, the furrow is
significantly lower on
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Epstein's neck,
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which is quite rare
in cases of a hanging.
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Hoffenberg: In order for
Jeffrey Epstein to die
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the way he died,
under the autopsy results,
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he had to put the noose
around his neck
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himself and had to hold
the noose down
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to near his chest.
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Narrator: Low furrow marks
like Epstein's
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are more commonly found
in strangulation homicides.
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More doubt about
a suicide emerges
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when Baden looks under the skin.
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There are multiple... three
fractures in the hyoid bone,
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thyroid cartilage, that are
very unusual for suicide
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and more indicative
of strangulation,
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homicidal strangulation.
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The hyoid bone is a relatively
delicate, small u-shaped bone
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high up in the neck,
and the thyroid cartilage,
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the Adam's apple,
that's below, lower down.
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And there were three fractures,
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one of the hyoid bone
up high on the left side,
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and then two more fractures of
the thyroid cartilage,
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one on each side.
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Have you ever seen anyone
that committed suicide,
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and was hanging themselves
with those three broken bones?
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No... hanging does not cause
these broken bones,
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and a homicide does.
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bone fractures
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in cases of hanging...
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Schoen: Dr. Baden eventually
said to me that,
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in over 20,000 autopsies,
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he had never seen injuries like
this consistent with a suicide
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and therefore did not believe
it was a suicide.
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He believes this was manual
strangulation homicide.
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Dimond: Once Baden went public
with his conclusion
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that this was murder,
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it was like a tsunami
was unleashed.
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There were conspiracy theories
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and memes about it exploding
all over the internet.
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Banfield:
And, as you can imagine,
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in our political climate
these days,
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everyone's theory had sort of
a tone of accusing one
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political party or another.
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Narrator:
The big question is this...
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Who would most benefit from
Epstein's demise?
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A lot of people were probably
happy that he...
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He's dead, because dead men
tell no tales.
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Jeffrey Epstein's death is
raising troubling questions
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about how such
a high-profile suspect
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could apparently take his own
life while in custody.
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But it's also raising
some conspiracy theories.
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Narrator: If it was murder,
many suspect
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shadowy forces in
the U.S. Government.
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Connolly:
All of Jeffrey's troubles,
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the second time around,
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began when trump appoints
Acosta to his cabinet,
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because
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the U.S. Attorney for
the southern district of
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new york started investigating
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for that nonprosecution
agreement given
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to Jeffrey Epstein.
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There was a peculiar aspect to
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the Epstein arrest
at Teterboro that was
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barely reported.
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He was not arrested by agents of
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the fbi with
the child exploitation unit.
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It was agents from
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the government corruption unit
that handcuffed him.
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So that suggested to me that
there was a political angle
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to this thing,
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and there has been a great
deal of talk about
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the prominent political friends
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Jeffrey Epstein had
and other wealthy friends.
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So was this arrest really
about going after
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Jeffrey's crimes?
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Or was this arrest more about
going after potential
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corruption
in government officials
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who helped him weasel
out of those crimes?
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Sarnoff: I believe
that Epstein was killed,
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and I believe that
if he was not,
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he would have talked,
and he would have
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pointed fingers at everyone
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he needed to point fingers,
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including government officials
who looked the other way.
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Narrator: Others, however,
wonder if some of
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the elites Epstein
associated with
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wanted to silence him due
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to information he might have
on them.
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Kuvin: We know that he had
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numerous visitors to his homes.
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There are accounts of young
girls that worked within home
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that saw the cameras,
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that saw the recording systems,
that he bragged to those girls
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about the recording systems.
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Dimond: Many people also wonder
if Epstein's private jet,
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called the Lolita express,
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was used as part of
a blackmail scheme.
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The flight logs
that we looked at proved
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that Jeffrey Epstein was
flying with underage girls.
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Oxenberg: In 1997,
Ghislaine says to me,
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"the plane is wired
for video and audio."
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she volunteers this information.
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Why does she say this to me?
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One thing that I know
for sure is that if
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you're filming your friends,
and they don't know about it,
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you're not their friend.
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Kuvin: If any of that
surveillance got out,
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it would be
incredibly embarrassing.
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Narrator: There are many
powerful people whose secrets
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might have died with Epstein,
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but one notorious friendship
steals the world's attention
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even before Epstein's death.
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Sarnoff:
According to Virginia Roberts,
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she was paid $15,000
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to service prince Andrew,
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and she services prince Andrew
three times
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in three different cities...
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New york, London, and then
united states virgin islands.
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Dimond: Once the press heard
about Virginia's allegations
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against prince Andrew,
they went nuts.
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Everyone wondered,
was there more incriminating
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evidence about the prince
ready to drop?
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Williams: The speculations
about Jeffrey Epstein's
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friendship with prince Andrew
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is increasingly condemnatory.
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The royal family are held to
a higher level of scrutiny.
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They are expected to be
greater in terms of
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their behavior,
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and not just hanging around
with someone who's unsavory.
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What on earth is he doing?
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Narrator:
After Epstein's death,
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prince Andrew takes
to the airwaves
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in an effort to clear his name.
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I didn't have much time
with him.
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I suppose I saw him
once or twice a year,
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perhaps maybe maximum of
three times a year.
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But it would be... it would be
a considerable stretch to say
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that he was a very,
very close friend.
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Williams: Prince Andrew
decides that the way
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to sort all of this out
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is to give an interview
to the newsnight program,
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a BBC program, which is known
for its forensic questioning
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of politicians.
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I mean, yes, I would go
and stay in his house,
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but that was because of
his girlfriend.
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Andrew said he didn't regret
his friendship with Epstein,
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because through Epstein,
he'd been introduced
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to so many interesting people.
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The people that I met
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and the opportunities
that I was given to learn...
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Um,
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either by him or because of him,
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were actually very useful.
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Narrator:
Prince Andrew is pressed about
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the incriminating photograph
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taken with then 17-year-old
Virginia Roberts.
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I can tell you, categorically,
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I don't remember meeting her
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at all, I do not remember
a photograph being taken,
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and I've said consistently,
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and, um, and frequently
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that we never had any sort of
sexual contact, whatever.
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Williams: Prince Andrew has
his arms around her,
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and Ghislaine Maxwell is in
the background, and that photo
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really makes it clear that
Virginia Roberts did meet
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prince Andrew...
She did meet him.
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I admit fully that... that my...
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Judgment was probably
colored by my,
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um,
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tendency to be too honorable,
but that's just the way it is.
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Williams: Throughout
an hour of interview,
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prince Andrew never expressed
any sympathy for
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Epstein's victims,
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for these young,
exploited girls who suffered
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so much.
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That terrible interview was
just excoriated by the press,
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especially the U.K. Press.
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Goldman: People say
he's not the brightest,
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and certainly,
if you saw that interview,
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you know he's not
the brightest, okay,
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that he's arrogant and entitled.
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Williams: Prince Andrew has
to step back from royal duties,
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and it's the right thing
for the royal family to do.
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How on earth could this man,
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who had been out socializing
with a convicted pedophile,
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then go and represent
the country?
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After Epstein's death
at the MCC,
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it has been reported that
the fbi approached the prince.
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They wanted to interview him,
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and he publicly agreed
to cooperate.
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Narrator: However, to date,
the prince has not interviewed
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with the fbi.
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Those who believe
it was murder also point
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to compelling clues found among
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the financier's possessions.
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After his arrest, the fbi raided
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his home in Manhattan
on 71st street.
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They find troves of pictures
of underage girls
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and nude pictures,
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and possibly pictures
with prominent people on them,
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potential blackmail
information that he had
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probably collected from
his surveillance cameras.
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They cracked open the safe,
and the safe contained cash,
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I believe $70,000,
diamonds, single diamonds.
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Narrator: To some,
another item found
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in Epstein's safe seems to
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support the theory
that he was connected to
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international intelligence.
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Volscho: Inside the safe,
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they also find a passport
with his picture.
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Sarnoff:
It was issued by Austria
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with the address of
a crown prince of Saudi Arabia,
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which is...
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Incredibly odd.
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Banfield: It's well known that
spies use foreign passports.
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So the question became, is it
possible that Jeffrey Epstein
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was co-opted by
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a foreign entity to spy on
the rich and powerful
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and use a sex ring
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to get some pretty compromising
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information called,
in the business, kompromat?
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We also know that,
because of his connections
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through Ghislaine Maxwell,
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that he possibly had
high-level security information
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on behalf of governments
throughout the world,
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and there could potentially be
people that didn't want him
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talking about those connections
and things that he knew.
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This is someone that a lot of
people didn't want talking.
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Narrator: Although many believe
the secret agent theory explains
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both Epstein's wealth
and suspicious death,
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others find that idea absurd.
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But I do know that he certainly
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was capable of
blackmailing people.
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I don't think he was involved
in any intelligence operations.
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Nonsense.
Nonsense.
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Narrator: While there's
no definitive proof Epstein
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had blackmail information
on government officials
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or the super powerful,
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or that he was a spy,
one question still remains.
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Sarnoff: If somebody killed him,
how did they have access
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to his cell?
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How did they organize?
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This was an organized killing.
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Narrator: Amidst a sea of
theories surrounding powerful
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figures who might have
ordered Epstein's murder,
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the question is,
who could have done it
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inside prison walls?
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Schoen: But I think,
if my theory is right,
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it would have to be
another inmate.
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Jeffrey told me that he was
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very concerned about
being incarcerated there.
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People were constantly
commenting about him.
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Someone who is charged
with the kinds
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of crimes that Jeffrey Epstein
was charged with,
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fooling around with 14-,
15-, 16-year-old girls,
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is going to be
persona non grata.
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Even to the most vile
of other prisoners,
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this is gonna be repulsive.
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Schoen: The question is how did
someone get in and get out?
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Well, I've learned a great
deal about what inmates,
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through their ingenuity,
do and not do.
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People are very,
very inventive in
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these situations.
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Narrator: Some close
to Epstein quickly
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point the finger
at a possible suspect.
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Remember that first time that
Jeffrey Epstein was suspected
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of attempting suicide
and put on a suicide watch?
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At that time, he had a cellmate,
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a muscle-bound
suspected murderer
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named Nicholas Tartaglione.
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Wecht:
Tartaglione was a former cop,
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240, 50 pounds, muscular,
um, burly guy.
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He was charged with four murders
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and is looking
at a death sentence.
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Epstein reportedly told his
lawyers, who came to visit him
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almost every single day, that
he was scared of Tartaglione.
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He said that Tartaglione was
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on a mission to, quote,
"rough him up."
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00:25:50,180 --> 00:25:52,615
Mersey: Jeffrey had some
abrasions on his neck
505
00:25:52,717 --> 00:25:54,549
after the first incident,
506
00:25:55,584 --> 00:25:58,153
which nobody really ever
figured out,
507
00:25:58,255 --> 00:25:59,786
was it a suicide attempt,
508
00:25:59,926 --> 00:26:01,924
or was it
his bunkie attacking him?
509
00:26:02,959 --> 00:26:04,206
I asked him, I said,
what... I said,
510
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:06,561
"what happened, Jeffrey,
that night?"
511
00:26:06,663 --> 00:26:08,765
and he said, "I don't know.
512
00:26:08,867 --> 00:26:10,547
"I got up in the middle of
the night to get
513
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,432
"a drink of water.
514
00:26:11,534 --> 00:26:13,014
I don't remember
anything after that."
515
00:26:14,938 --> 00:26:17,440
according to
Tartaglione's attorney,
516
00:26:17,542 --> 00:26:20,977
when Epstein tried to commit
suicide the first time,
517
00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:23,244
that Tartaglione was
the one who alerted
518
00:26:23,346 --> 00:26:25,515
all the guards and tried
to save him.
519
00:26:25,617 --> 00:26:28,852
Narrator: And the strongest
proof exonerating Tartaglione
520
00:26:28,954 --> 00:26:32,519
for Epstein's murder
lies in his alibi.
521
00:26:32,621 --> 00:26:34,890
Tartaglione had been
transferred out of
522
00:26:34,992 --> 00:26:36,056
Epstein's cell
523
00:26:36,158 --> 00:26:40,127
after that first suicide
attempt and before his death.
524
00:26:41,266 --> 00:26:43,764
And so the likelihood
that somehow this big,
525
00:26:43,866 --> 00:26:46,702
hulking guy could have made
his way back
526
00:26:46,804 --> 00:26:49,206
to Jeffrey's Epstein cell,
527
00:26:49,308 --> 00:26:52,673
killed Epstein, and then
slinked off into the, you know,
528
00:26:52,775 --> 00:26:53,810
jail nighttime...
529
00:26:53,912 --> 00:26:55,610
It just doesn't
sound reasonable.
530
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,989
Narrator: Epstein's inmate
suicide watch counselor,
531
00:27:06,091 --> 00:27:07,322
bill Mersey,
532
00:27:07,424 --> 00:27:11,860
is one of the last people to
have spoken with Epstein.
533
00:27:11,962 --> 00:27:16,531
Mersey: I probably spent five
or six four-hour shifts in
534
00:27:16,633 --> 00:27:20,235
the presence of Jeffrey
Epstein with me watching him.
535
00:27:20,337 --> 00:27:22,839
He didn't talk about
prince Andrew or anybody else.
536
00:27:23,907 --> 00:27:26,109
He didn't really
volunteer information.
537
00:27:26,211 --> 00:27:29,343
For a suicide inmate,
he was pretty well adjusted.
538
00:27:29,445 --> 00:27:32,447
He wasn't a prima Donna
or a diva.
539
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:33,447
He didn't complain.
540
00:27:33,549 --> 00:27:35,418
The only complaint
I ever heard from him
541
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,684
was they gave him
the wrong laxative.
542
00:27:41,957 --> 00:27:44,559
He didn't strike me
as depressed,
543
00:27:44,661 --> 00:27:47,697
but he was really apprehensive
about prison life.
544
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:49,163
He was scared.
545
00:27:50,536 --> 00:27:52,167
In the middle of conversations,
546
00:27:52,269 --> 00:27:54,605
his eyes would drift off,
like...
547
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,742
"oh my god, I'm in prison, am
I ever gonna get out of here?"
548
00:28:01,044 --> 00:28:02,709
prison... it's not a fun place.
549
00:28:03,982 --> 00:28:06,713
You're in your cell
23 hours a day.
550
00:28:06,815 --> 00:28:10,217
You shower three times a week,
and there's mice
551
00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:11,319
and there's water bugs,
552
00:28:11,423 --> 00:28:14,321
and it's real noisy,
and it's cold.
553
00:28:16,361 --> 00:28:17,459
It's a long way down from
554
00:28:17,561 --> 00:28:20,363
a $77 million mansion
on the upper east side.
555
00:28:26,102 --> 00:28:29,104
There's no way that somebody
got in there and killed him.
556
00:28:29,206 --> 00:28:30,549
You know how many people
you'd have to
557
00:28:30,573 --> 00:28:33,642
pay off to get in there
and kill him?
558
00:28:33,744 --> 00:28:35,712
It's just... no way.
559
00:28:38,048 --> 00:28:41,983
That said, some of the people
that Jeffrey Epstein could have
560
00:28:42,085 --> 00:28:45,421
ruined with his secrets...
They had plenty of money
561
00:28:45,523 --> 00:28:47,087
to pay anybody off.
562
00:28:47,189 --> 00:28:50,091
Narrator: One striking piece of
anecdotal evidence that
563
00:28:50,193 --> 00:28:52,295
supports the theory of suicide
564
00:28:52,397 --> 00:28:54,795
can be found in
the records of Epstein's
565
00:28:54,897 --> 00:28:56,866
vast wealth.
566
00:28:56,968 --> 00:29:00,170
Volscho: Epstein, 48 hours
prior to him killing himself,
567
00:29:00,272 --> 00:29:04,104
if that's what happened,
refiles and changes his will
568
00:29:04,243 --> 00:29:06,974
to be collapsed into
a trust in the virgin islands.
569
00:29:08,043 --> 00:29:10,078
People in the virgin islands
that are older,
570
00:29:10,180 --> 00:29:11,445
their lawyers advise them,
571
00:29:11,547 --> 00:29:14,916
"don't file your estate or
your will or your probate in
572
00:29:15,018 --> 00:29:17,053
"the virgin islands...
File it in the mainland,
573
00:29:17,155 --> 00:29:20,857
"because it'll take
9, 10 years before people
574
00:29:20,959 --> 00:29:23,057
in your will see any of
the benefits of that."
575
00:29:26,363 --> 00:29:28,361
so this will make it very
difficult for victims
576
00:29:28,463 --> 00:29:31,832
to get any type of restitution
from his estate.
577
00:29:35,938 --> 00:29:39,674
Banfield: Tying up all his money
in international red tape,
578
00:29:39,776 --> 00:29:43,011
that very well might have
been a final "f you"
579
00:29:43,113 --> 00:29:44,278
to his victims if,
580
00:29:44,380 --> 00:29:46,249
in fact, he was planning
to kill himself.
581
00:29:47,551 --> 00:29:49,719
Mersey: For all the conspiracy
theorists out there
582
00:29:49,821 --> 00:29:53,623
about Jeffrey Epstein's
suicide versus murder,
583
00:29:53,725 --> 00:29:55,957
this is what I say...
You're the same guys
584
00:29:56,059 --> 00:29:58,394
who think that the moon
landing was a fake.
585
00:30:01,430 --> 00:30:03,298
Don't be ridiculous.
586
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,365
Get over it.
He killed himself.
587
00:30:05,467 --> 00:30:06,502
You're tripping.
588
00:30:06,604 --> 00:30:09,002
There's no question
about it in my mind.
589
00:30:10,442 --> 00:30:11,442
Case closed for me.
590
00:30:14,013 --> 00:30:15,544
Dimond:
As far as how Epstein died,
591
00:30:15,646 --> 00:30:18,448
people either firmly believe
he committed suicide,
592
00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:21,948
or they strongly believe
he was murdered.
593
00:30:22,087 --> 00:30:24,619
But there could be
a third possibility.
594
00:30:24,721 --> 00:30:26,390
What if Epstein did, in fact,
595
00:30:26,492 --> 00:30:29,323
hang himself,
and he had help doing it?
596
00:30:39,402 --> 00:30:41,971
Investigators and lawyers
have more questions than
597
00:30:42,073 --> 00:30:43,371
answers about what happened
598
00:30:43,473 --> 00:30:46,941
inside that new york jail
at dawn Saturday.
599
00:30:47,043 --> 00:30:49,412
I think it was a homicide,
but, um,
600
00:30:49,514 --> 00:30:50,634
I don't know who killed him.
601
00:30:53,585 --> 00:30:55,850
This simplest answer to me
always rings true,
602
00:30:55,952 --> 00:30:58,054
and the simplest answer is
he killed himself,
603
00:30:58,156 --> 00:31:00,036
uh, because he didn't want
his secrets revealed.
604
00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:03,791
I think he was ready to sing,
605
00:31:03,893 --> 00:31:05,895
and perhaps that's why
he was murdered.
606
00:31:11,535 --> 00:31:14,803
The attorney general of
the united states decides to
607
00:31:14,905 --> 00:31:15,937
weigh in on this case,
608
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:19,441
William Barr, and he says that
this was no murder.
609
00:31:19,543 --> 00:31:21,612
He says this was just
a perfect storm
610
00:31:21,714 --> 00:31:24,512
of screwups within
the prison system.
611
00:31:24,614 --> 00:31:26,482
Barr: I was appalled,
612
00:31:26,584 --> 00:31:28,982
and indeed
the whole department was,
613
00:31:29,084 --> 00:31:31,386
and frankly, angry,
614
00:31:31,488 --> 00:31:33,386
to learn
615
00:31:33,488 --> 00:31:37,657
of the MCC's failure to
adequately secure this prisoner.
616
00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:40,461
But come on, Epstein was
617
00:31:40,563 --> 00:31:43,565
the most high-profile prisoner
in the entire
618
00:31:43,667 --> 00:31:45,265
system at the time.
619
00:31:45,367 --> 00:31:49,036
What if these failures that Barr
talked about weren't failures
620
00:31:49,138 --> 00:31:51,874
but rather deliberate
acts of incompetence
621
00:31:51,976 --> 00:31:54,444
that allowed Epstein
to take his own life.
622
00:31:59,584 --> 00:32:02,382
I do know that they put him
on suicide watch,
623
00:32:02,484 --> 00:32:04,952
and then, inexplicably,
they took him off.
624
00:32:05,054 --> 00:32:07,423
Why?
Why would you do that?
625
00:32:09,192 --> 00:32:11,461
Sarnoff: They released him
within a week.
626
00:32:11,563 --> 00:32:13,927
That's absurd.
Unheard of. Absurd.
627
00:32:15,267 --> 00:32:17,076
Connolly: He should have been
on suicide watch,
628
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:18,765
but somebody wanted him off
629
00:32:18,867 --> 00:32:20,669
who had to choose
to make that happen.
630
00:32:22,204 --> 00:32:25,506
He is now by himself...
The very next day,
631
00:32:25,608 --> 00:32:27,544
we have Epstein found dead.
632
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:34,048
Epstein had extension cords
in this cell block.
633
00:32:34,150 --> 00:32:36,619
He had sheets at his disposal.
634
00:32:38,687 --> 00:32:41,789
Wecht: And guess what?
The two guards who were assigned
635
00:32:41,891 --> 00:32:47,060
to watch him on a 24-hour basis
were so tired
636
00:32:47,162 --> 00:32:49,564
from being overworked
that they fell asleep.
637
00:32:53,637 --> 00:32:56,639
It would be astronomical odds
that you would have all of
638
00:32:56,741 --> 00:32:58,539
those things occur
at that particular time
639
00:32:58,641 --> 00:32:59,641
in that fashion,
640
00:32:59,674 --> 00:33:02,810
especially in this kind of
a federal prison.
641
00:33:02,912 --> 00:33:05,347
It seems like almost
it was an invitation.
642
00:33:07,649 --> 00:33:10,418
Kuvin: Like they were saying,
"please kill yourself.
643
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,522
Here's all the stuff
you need to do it."
644
00:33:14,057 --> 00:33:16,626
bloom: Jeffrey Epstein
was by far the most
645
00:33:16,728 --> 00:33:19,893
famous person in that jail
at that time.
646
00:33:19,995 --> 00:33:22,242
Everybody was interested in
what he was doing every minute
647
00:33:22,266 --> 00:33:23,730
of the day, everything he ate,
648
00:33:23,832 --> 00:33:25,168
everybody who came to visit him,
649
00:33:25,270 --> 00:33:28,434
and I just...
I'm very skeptical.
650
00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:34,076
Maybe someone very powerful
knew that Epstein
651
00:33:34,178 --> 00:33:35,776
was on the edge
652
00:33:35,878 --> 00:33:38,147
and then decided
to just turn up the heat.
653
00:33:42,453 --> 00:33:44,684
Narrator:
Even more shocking to some,
654
00:33:44,786 --> 00:33:48,488
the only individuals charged
with crimes to date are those
655
00:33:48,623 --> 00:33:51,092
at the bottom of
the jail's hierarchy...
656
00:33:51,194 --> 00:33:54,296
Prison guards Michael Thomas
and Tova Noel.
657
00:33:57,236 --> 00:33:59,000
I'm Montell Figgins,
658
00:33:59,102 --> 00:34:01,738
the defense attorney
for Michael Thomas.
659
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,004
Michael Thomas and miss noel
660
00:34:04,106 --> 00:34:06,142
were on duty at the time
661
00:34:06,244 --> 00:34:09,679
that Jeffrey Epstein
was found to have died.
662
00:34:11,515 --> 00:34:15,883
After the death of Mr. Epstein,
there was a huge investigation
663
00:34:15,985 --> 00:34:20,954
into how he died
and what role the guards
664
00:34:21,090 --> 00:34:22,292
may have played in that.
665
00:34:22,394 --> 00:34:25,425
Mr. Thomas as well as
his co-defendant,
666
00:34:25,527 --> 00:34:30,600
miss noel, they were indicted
for making false statements in
667
00:34:30,702 --> 00:34:34,371
the logs regarding the checks
668
00:34:34,473 --> 00:34:36,971
and the rounds that they were
supposed to do.
669
00:34:37,073 --> 00:34:39,975
But the system itself
is what failed
670
00:34:40,077 --> 00:34:41,775
and allowed this to happen.
671
00:34:41,877 --> 00:34:44,879
The bureau of prisons didn't
have enough people working,
672
00:34:44,981 --> 00:34:49,083
so the administrative
officials were allowing many
673
00:34:49,185 --> 00:34:52,754
individuals to work
multiple shifts in a row.
674
00:34:52,856 --> 00:34:56,858
Now Mr. Thomas faces
up to five years in jail.
675
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,495
This is very rare that a guard
676
00:34:59,597 --> 00:35:01,295
would be charged
with a criminal offense
677
00:35:01,397 --> 00:35:04,533
in this situation...
It's my position that
678
00:35:04,635 --> 00:35:07,170
the guards in this case are
being scapegoated.
679
00:35:08,739 --> 00:35:11,774
Goldman: I am outraged
that the only two people
680
00:35:11,876 --> 00:35:15,411
who may go to jail
in the entire Epstein affair
681
00:35:15,513 --> 00:35:18,445
are two African-American
prison guards
682
00:35:18,547 --> 00:35:21,749
that were at MCC the night that
683
00:35:21,851 --> 00:35:23,753
Jeffrey Epstein killed himself.
684
00:35:24,855 --> 00:35:26,453
Maybe they should be suspended.
685
00:35:26,555 --> 00:35:29,190
Maybe they should be fired,
but that they should go
686
00:35:29,292 --> 00:35:33,128
to jail... no, no, no,
that's just not okay.
687
00:35:35,363 --> 00:35:38,732
The question remains why
everyone in upper-level staff
688
00:35:38,834 --> 00:35:40,203
is able to keep their jobs,
689
00:35:40,305 --> 00:35:41,969
keep their pensions,
690
00:35:42,071 --> 00:35:44,573
not face any jail time.
691
00:35:44,675 --> 00:35:47,240
We will get to the bottom
of what happened,
692
00:35:47,342 --> 00:35:48,911
and there will
be accountability.
693
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,482
Banfield: But even
attorney general Barr has
694
00:35:53,584 --> 00:35:55,848
a bizarre connection
to this case.
695
00:35:55,950 --> 00:35:59,186
Remember, his father was
the headmaster of
696
00:35:59,288 --> 00:36:02,256
the Dalton school,
that elite school in Manhattan
697
00:36:02,358 --> 00:36:03,956
where Jeffrey Epstein, you know,
698
00:36:04,058 --> 00:36:05,361
got a job as a teacher,
699
00:36:05,463 --> 00:36:07,861
and it just seems like
everybody who was investigating
700
00:36:07,963 --> 00:36:09,765
Jeffrey Epstein had some weird,
701
00:36:09,867 --> 00:36:11,398
twisted connection to him,
702
00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:12,802
which begs the question,
703
00:36:12,904 --> 00:36:16,135
is this case ever gonna
actually be solved?
704
00:36:18,242 --> 00:36:21,610
Narrator: Another question is
whether the financier's alleged
705
00:36:21,712 --> 00:36:25,048
co-conspirators will ever
face justice.
706
00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:28,714
Connolly: Maxwell...
She's in hiding somewhere.
707
00:36:28,854 --> 00:36:31,885
Nobody knows where she is.
708
00:36:31,987 --> 00:36:33,867
A lot of people would like
to know where she is.
709
00:36:34,858 --> 00:36:38,193
Oxenberg: In 1997,
or maybe it was '98,
710
00:36:38,295 --> 00:36:41,464
Ghislaine told me,
very proudly, that
711
00:36:41,566 --> 00:36:43,864
she'd got
her helicopter license.
712
00:36:43,966 --> 00:36:46,468
And I said to her, "why on earth
713
00:36:46,570 --> 00:36:49,406
"would you want such a thing?
So dangerous.
714
00:36:49,508 --> 00:36:51,706
Why would you do that?
Why would you want that?"
715
00:36:51,808 --> 00:36:54,343
and she said,
"for secrecy."
716
00:36:55,378 --> 00:36:57,947
Hoffenberg:
She's a fugitive now.
717
00:36:58,049 --> 00:37:00,780
Ghislaine Maxwell is a fugitive.
718
00:37:02,687 --> 00:37:04,751
Farmer: I would love to see
justice in the form of
719
00:37:04,853 --> 00:37:06,255
every co-conspirator needs to be
720
00:37:06,357 --> 00:37:07,357
behind bars.
721
00:37:07,457 --> 00:37:09,322
They belong there.
They're criminals.
722
00:37:15,132 --> 00:37:17,397
Narrator: Now that
Jeffrey Epstein is dead
723
00:37:17,499 --> 00:37:21,001
and the investigation shrouded
in mystery and doubt,
724
00:37:21,103 --> 00:37:25,138
many wonder what will become
of the decade's most
725
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:26,909
controversial saga.
726
00:37:29,044 --> 00:37:32,147
Sarnoff:
The Epstein case goes from
727
00:37:32,249 --> 00:37:35,717
palm beach to new york
728
00:37:36,819 --> 00:37:40,188
to the white house
to Buckingham palace,
729
00:37:40,323 --> 00:37:42,421
where you have politicians,
730
00:37:43,861 --> 00:37:46,663
business leaders,
opinion makers,
731
00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:49,896
very powerful people
implicated in one way
732
00:37:49,998 --> 00:37:52,834
or another... it's so expansive.
733
00:37:52,936 --> 00:37:54,634
It is a global case.
734
00:37:55,740 --> 00:37:58,704
It crosses
the political barrier,
735
00:37:58,806 --> 00:38:04,713
and it is the longest-running
child sex trafficking case
736
00:38:04,815 --> 00:38:06,979
in U.S. Legal history to date.
737
00:38:09,052 --> 00:38:11,554
What's important
about this story is the lawyers
738
00:38:11,656 --> 00:38:14,187
and the prosecutors
and the U.S. Attorney
739
00:38:14,289 --> 00:38:16,058
who let him off the hook.
740
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,525
You can't have this
in a society,
741
00:38:18,627 --> 00:38:21,562
and Acosta and Krischer...
742
00:38:21,664 --> 00:38:23,933
They should be held
responsible for what they did.
743
00:38:27,302 --> 00:38:29,237
Sarnoff: What this case has,
I think,
744
00:38:29,339 --> 00:38:31,741
shown is that we live in
745
00:38:31,843 --> 00:38:34,508
a society with two systems
of justice,
746
00:38:34,610 --> 00:38:37,179
one for the rich
and one for the poor.
747
00:38:37,281 --> 00:38:39,045
And Epstein knew this all along.
748
00:38:39,147 --> 00:38:40,147
Jeffrey knew that.
749
00:38:41,551 --> 00:38:44,820
All these people, from federal
prosecutors to politicians
750
00:38:44,922 --> 00:38:48,124
to prison officials, say
there will be accountability.
751
00:38:48,226 --> 00:38:50,924
Really? I don't see
any indictments.
752
00:38:51,026 --> 00:38:53,162
No accountability at all.
753
00:38:53,264 --> 00:38:55,595
To me, it's just been
a travesty.
754
00:39:02,439 --> 00:39:04,181
Do I feel his death was
an appropriate punishment?
755
00:39:04,205 --> 00:39:06,274
Absolutely not.
It gives nobody justice,
756
00:39:06,376 --> 00:39:10,445
and it leaves a lot of
unanswered questions.
757
00:39:10,547 --> 00:39:13,082
Bloom: The scale of
what he did is almost
758
00:39:13,184 --> 00:39:15,549
too much for
the human mind to take in.
759
00:39:15,651 --> 00:39:18,286
We are talking about,
at a minimum, hundreds of
760
00:39:18,388 --> 00:39:20,320
victims, potentially thousands,
I believe
761
00:39:20,422 --> 00:39:22,357
it was probably
thousands of victims,
762
00:39:24,526 --> 00:39:26,694
because I believe
those who came forward are just
763
00:39:26,796 --> 00:39:29,999
the tip of the iceberg, most of
them are never going to want to
764
00:39:30,101 --> 00:39:31,332
come forward.
765
00:39:32,767 --> 00:39:36,003
And the victims are
getting zero right now.
766
00:39:36,105 --> 00:39:39,173
No more payments being issued.
767
00:39:39,275 --> 00:39:40,840
Not any money.
768
00:39:43,646 --> 00:39:46,015
And I think everybody wants to
769
00:39:46,117 --> 00:39:48,248
see justice
for the victims here.
770
00:39:48,350 --> 00:39:50,519
If I could wave a magic wand,
771
00:39:50,621 --> 00:39:52,752
all of his estate
would go to his victims.
772
00:39:57,558 --> 00:39:58,798
I'd say it's pretty empowering.
773
00:39:58,896 --> 00:39:59,896
It's also...
774
00:40:01,262 --> 00:40:02,931
Pretty upsetting to see
how many lives
775
00:40:03,033 --> 00:40:04,965
he's devastated and to see
776
00:40:06,071 --> 00:40:09,502
how long this went on for, and
nobody did anything about it.
777
00:40:11,175 --> 00:40:14,444
And why did no one
do anything about it?
778
00:40:14,546 --> 00:40:16,377
Well, if you think about it,
779
00:40:16,479 --> 00:40:18,781
Epstein and Maxwell both
maintained that there were
780
00:40:18,883 --> 00:40:22,418
recording devices in
the mansions and the properties
781
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,052
and the fancy jet,
782
00:40:24,154 --> 00:40:26,152
and there were
a lot of really important,
783
00:40:26,254 --> 00:40:29,722
powerful people that trafficked
through those areas.
784
00:40:29,824 --> 00:40:32,260
So wisdom might have it
that there's some
785
00:40:32,362 --> 00:40:36,531
pretty compromising video
and sound somewhere out there.
786
00:40:38,737 --> 00:40:41,535
Dimond: I can only hope
that someday it leaks out,
787
00:40:41,637 --> 00:40:47,543
and the guilty parties get
what's coming to them.
788
00:40:49,545 --> 00:40:51,514
Farmer: I felt I was held
to silence
789
00:40:51,616 --> 00:40:54,314
for so long
and suffocated by silence.
790
00:40:54,416 --> 00:40:57,018
I gave up everything,
and I mean everything,
791
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,451
because I gave up
my health, too.
792
00:40:58,553 --> 00:41:01,155
Now, I'm very, very sick
with a brain tumor,
793
00:41:01,257 --> 00:41:03,259
so I'm drawing this project.
794
00:41:03,361 --> 00:41:06,359
This tree is the tree
of rotten apples.
795
00:41:06,461 --> 00:41:09,363
These are the evil roots
of the apple tree...
796
00:41:09,465 --> 00:41:12,467
Alex Acosta, Alan Dershowitz,
797
00:41:12,569 --> 00:41:14,267
les Wexner.
798
00:41:14,369 --> 00:41:17,205
I put Jeffrey Epstein
up in this ufo,
799
00:41:17,307 --> 00:41:19,776
because he's free and easy,
flying around.
800
00:41:19,878 --> 00:41:24,380
So Maxwell, you know, her
pearls and fetching children.
801
00:41:24,482 --> 00:41:26,346
It's really creepy.
802
00:41:26,448 --> 00:41:29,551
All I wanted was for people
to know the truth,
803
00:41:29,653 --> 00:41:31,955
and I'm not going to be quiet
about it.
804
00:41:32,057 --> 00:41:33,621
I'm not going to be quiet.
805
00:41:36,761 --> 00:41:40,163
I'm doing the series,
drawing all the women,
806
00:41:40,265 --> 00:41:42,129
all their portraits,
807
00:41:42,231 --> 00:41:44,534
honoring them,
because they're victims,
808
00:41:44,636 --> 00:41:46,000
but they're also survivors.
809
00:41:47,402 --> 00:41:50,271
I'm giving them each a drawing
810
00:41:50,373 --> 00:41:52,508
so that they know
that they matter.
811
00:41:54,644 --> 00:41:56,546
We're binding together,
and there's strength
812
00:41:56,648 --> 00:41:58,379
in numbers,
let me tell you something.
813
00:41:59,748 --> 00:42:01,428
They aren't gonna get
away with it anymore.
814
00:42:03,052 --> 00:42:06,387
2020 is the year that
the predators become the prey.
815
00:42:09,027 --> 00:42:10,707
It would be
a wonderful thing, wouldn't it?
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