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- Trick or Treat!
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The last time I seen my dad was
on Halloween, 2009.
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He stopped answering my calls
probably about 6:30
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on Halloween night.
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Halloween that year fell
on a Saturday.
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I started looking for
him Sunday.
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I drove around Monday,
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all through the country
outside Spartanburg,
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Union City, and Bartonia.
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And then on Tuesday,
his friend called me from
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the corner of Elm
by the library
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and said that he'd found
Dad's van.
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And I said,
"Well, is Dad in it?"
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He said, "I haven't went to it."
And I rushed up there.
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When I got to the van, I went
up on the driver's side.
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And when I looked in,
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I could see my dad laying on
the floor in the back seat.
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I was screaming,
"My dad's dead!
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Someone's killed him!"
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Our dispatch center
on November 3rd,
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around five o'clock,
received a 911 call.
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And it was from Janice Cheadle
that she had found her father.
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Patrick Cheadle was deceased in
the back of a van.
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Crime scene investigators,
they're looking for cigarette
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butts, a soda can,
anything that may have DNA to
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where they can then pinpoint
potential suspects.
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In this day and age,
DNA, fibers, everything else,
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it's down to the minute.
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So we wanted to limit
the amount of people within
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the actual scene.
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He was in the back of the van.
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There was a lot of blood in
the hair and face.
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So we knew that it was
a head wound.
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You can easily conclude someone
usually doesn't die in that
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manner in the back
of a vehicle.
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We knew we had a homicide.
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Detectives are finding a few
things that raise questions.
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There's no blood splatter
inside of that van.
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Because of that, they know that
this body has been moved from
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a place where this man was
killed into the van and then
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parked in this area.
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We processed the van.
We took evidence.
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One of the bits of evidence was
a cell phone that Mr. Cheadle
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had on his person.
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There was a significant amount
of cash found.
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Patrick Cheadle had $3,000 cash
on him when
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they found his body.
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Apparently, he was supposed to
go buy a car that evening that
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he went missing.
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There was also some marijuana
found in the back of the van.
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And eventually, we removed
the body from the van
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and took it to
the coroner's office.
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The autopsy determined it was
probable that he died from
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a gunshot wound to the head,
and he was shot
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at fairly close range,
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that he had abrasions of
limestone,
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as if he had been drug.
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And limestone is what your
gravel driveways and a lot of
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your concrete is made of.
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They also saw inside his collar
was dried vegetation,
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and we called in a botanist,
and he identified it as
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a plantain weed.
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Very common, but the botanist
said wherever he was drug,
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this plant will be present.
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It is bizarre.
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You have a murder on Halloween,
the body being found on
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Elm Street.
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Is there a connection
to Halloween?
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Nobody knows.
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In 2009, Greenville, Ohio has
a population of less than
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13,000 people.
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This is not an ordinary
situation for the people
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who live in
a small community like this.
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They are scared.
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We're the type of community
where people still wave to you.
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So it's very uh, small town
that, the charm is there.
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Greenville's very large,
older homes, nice homes.
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Once you leave Greenville,
it's vast farmland.
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and we were very rural.
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1997 was the last homicide
we had before for this one.
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People in Greenville, Ohio,
are terrified.
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So investigators need to find
the person who did this,
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and you've got to find
them quickly.
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Obviously, the next step for
detectives is questioning
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family members, trying to get
leads to figure out
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what was going on right before
Pat Cheadle was killed.
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Janice Cheadle, the daughter of
Patrick, made the phone call
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and made the discovery.
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She was in shock.
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She agreed to speak to
me, though.
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On Halloween,
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2009, at approximately noon,
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I went over to see him at
his friend's shop.
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He was talking about going to
Spartanburg to buy a used car.
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And then I said, "I'll see
you later tonight.
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You're going to go to
my sister's Halloween party,
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aren't you?"
"Yeah, I'll see you later."
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You know, hugged him,
kissed him,
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told him I loved him,
and that was it.
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My dad stopped answering
my calls probably about 6:30
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on Halloween night.
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My dad never showed up
to the party.
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And then Sunday morning,
I went to meet him
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and he wasn't there.
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He hadn't answered me,
which I thought was odd.
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It's not like my dad not to
answer my calls or texts.
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Even if he was busy doing
something, he would text me,
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say, "Busy, call you later."
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And I didn't get anything from
him for days.
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I called his friend,
and his friend hadn't heard
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from him either.
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I called my stepbrother.
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I called every jail
and hospital in a three-state
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radius, just in case.
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I honestly just knew something
bad happened because my gut
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told me, and with him not
responding to me,
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I knew it was bad.
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We just start searching,
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and my dad's friends just
happened to be coming back from
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Union City, and they took
Elm Street.
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And happened upon Dad's van.
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I just remember yelling
and screaming and crying.
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And I was in
the middle of the road
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and had to be picked up.
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Literally feels like
your heart's been ripped out
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of your chest.
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I would describe my dad
as a hippie.
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He was an old soul.
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He just was one of those
relaxed, calm, cool,
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collected person
most the time.
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He worked on trucks at a truck
stop here nearby as a detailer.
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That was like a hobby
and a moneymaker for him.
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He took pride in his work.
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He would be
polishing his trucks.
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He would listen to
his classic rock
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like the Leonard Skynyrd
and ZZ Top.
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He was definitely from that era
and it stuck with him.
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He loved his classic rock.
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He was a truck driver for
about 40 years, so like,
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he really wasn't home a lot.
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He was on the road probably 50
out of the 52 weeks.
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So when he was home,
it was all about his family.
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He personally only had two
kids, me and my sister,
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but when we were younger,
he remarried and we had three
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stepbrothers and a stepsister.
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My dad definitely was
a family man.
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His mother meant
everything to him.
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He was at his mom's at least
once or twice a day
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checking on her, eating with
her, or something.
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While investigators are talking
to Patrick's mother,
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they find out there have been
some threats that have come
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from Patrick's
girlfriend's ex-husband.
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It seemed that the ex-husband
was clearly jealous of Pat
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and his relationship
with his ex-wife.
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My dad had a girlfriend
for several years.
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But the ex-husband
and girlfriend weren't actually
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divorced at the time.
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They were separated,
so there was anger.
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The ex-husband had told my dad
to stay away from his wife.
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Otherwise, there was gonna
be trouble.
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He'd said it multiple times.
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It was a fairly recent threat.
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Cheadle's mom said,
"Find this person.
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He probably knows something."
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In her eyes, that was
the person responsible for
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the death of her son.
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We all know what
Halloween's like.
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Kids going out,
trick-or-treating, fake horror
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for everybody, haunted houses.
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In Greenville,
we have a Halloween parade.
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And the businesses will hand
out candy
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and the fire department's there.
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Very charming type stuff.
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But this was something that
really happened on Halloween on
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Elm Street of all places in
Greenville, Ohio.
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Patrick Cheadle had been dead
in a vehicle for days.
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And you had Cheadle's
girlfriend's ex-husband
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telling Cheadle to stop messing
with his ex.
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We brought in Pat's girlfriend
for an interview to see
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what she knew.
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We asked about who may have
wanted to harm Patrick.
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She said her ex-husband.
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That's who she felt may have
been responsible for
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Pat's death.
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Our next step was we brought in
the ex-husband
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for an interview.
He voluntarily came in.
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He admitted to having issues
with Pat.
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Of course,
he had a different story
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than what other people said.
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You know, he made it more of
a two-way argument
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instead of just a one-way,
but he had no qualms to say
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that there were issues
between the two.
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I don't think he showed any
remorse on the death,
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but he did not show
any indications
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that he was involved in
the death.
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In the interview, he told us
where he was at during
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Halloween, and his alibi
did check out.
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The ex-husband was ruled out
as a suspect.
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Living in a small town,
there was a lot of
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talk and speculation.
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Every time there is a homicide
anywhere, there are
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always rumors.
Was this a robbery?
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Was this a drug deal?
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Was this somebody else
who would have a reason
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to kill this man?
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And those are the questions
that detectives immediately
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start to ask family members
and his daughter, who was on
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the scene and made that
911 call.
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I told Detective Roberts about
how my dad was planning on
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going to buy a car the night
before and told him that
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the used car was actually
a code for him going to buy
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marijuana, because they needed
to know the truth so they could
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figure out what really happened
to my father.
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My dad had approximately
$13,000 on him
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to buy the car.
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He had it in a money bag,
like a bank money bag.
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That's how he carried
all his money.
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She advised that he was going
to have about $13,000.
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But we'd only found
$3,000 on him.
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And then to find $3,000 cash on
a robbery victim,
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yeah, it was confusing.
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We thought, well, maybe it
wasn't gonna be a robbery.
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But then detectives get to see
cell phone records.
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The gold nugget we got was
the cell phone
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because your phone tells
a story,
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tells you where you've been, who
you've been in contact with.
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Investigators find three calls
on Halloween,
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a very important date because
this is the last time
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anybody has seen Cheadle alive.
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One call comes from a landline.
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Two other calls come from
a cell phone.
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The cell phone number traced
back to a 19-year-old by
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the name of David Mizner,
which was a little unusual that,
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you know, Pat was 53 at the time
and he was in contact
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with a 19-year-old.
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The landline phone calls came
from Bartonia, Indiana,
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across the state line
about 20 minutes away.
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And they have to get
the Randolph County Sheriff's
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Office involved, too,
as they go there and start
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investigating in that small
little township of Bartonia.
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The Greenville Police
Department, Chief Roberts,
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he reached out to me, told me
that they had went through some
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cell phone records.
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And I just basically lay out
everything we have.
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And then the names that we're
giving, he knew them.
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Adam and Marsha Hargrove.
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They were definitely
a person of interest.
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So we made a trip out there to
the Hargrove house.
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Investigators are really
cautious when they're going
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to this home.
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The Randolph County Sheriff's
Department has had run-ins with
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the people who lived there
in the past.
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I was familiar
with the address.
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Even as a patrol officer, I had
been there numerous times for
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domestic-related situations.
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There has been some criminal
activity involved with these
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folks, so they're
just cautious.
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They don't want to do anything
to cause any alarm.
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They don't want to do anything
to put themselves
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in danger either.
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It was very rural,
very remote area, long lane.
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It was a husband, wife,
and I believe a couple of kids.
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It was oddly calm.
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We went to the residence
and spoke with
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the homeowners there.
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They were confused as to
who Patrick Cheadle was.
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They weren't familiar with
the green van.
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They weren't familiar with any
of the questions that
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we were asking,
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but they consented to a search.
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So we basically started looking
for any potential types of
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evidence there at the house
that would indicate
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that that might've been
where the crime occurred.
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Inside the house, there was
a fireplace that had burned
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latex of some sort.
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And we believe that it might
have been rubber gloves.
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Obviously odd, you don't see
that a lot in somebody's
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fireplace in their home.
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Investigators also
find plantain,
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which matches the vegetation
that was on Cheadle's shirt
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found at the coroner's office.
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I would say within an hour
or two, we had the actual
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search warrant and a crime tech
from the Indiana State Police
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to use luminol.
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If sprayed onto a surface that
has had blood on it, it will
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make it illuminate.
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When he sprayed it on
the wooden deck
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at that property,
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you could physically see where
the shooting occurred
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and then where a person had
been drug off of the porch.
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We knew we had our crime scene
at that point.
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We decided to go ahead
and take the deck apart.
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And as soon as we got
the boards lifted up,
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we found a large pooling
of blood.
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The crime scene tech gets
a sample of that blood.
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And then once they did those
tests, it was confirmed
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that it was
Patrick Cheadle's blood.
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Investigators have
their crime scene now.
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It's on this couple's
back porch.
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Obviously, they think these two
people who live in this home
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are somehow involved.
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But the couple is adamant that
they are not involved in
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Cheadle's murder at all.
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Adam and Marsha said that on
Halloween, during the time
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frame of the homicide,
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they were at a hospital
in Indiana.
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Detectives want to know how
this blood splatter ended up on
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their back porch.
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Why is there a crime scene
back there?
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And they don't know, could this
couple be murderers?
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But investigators had no idea
what was gonna happen next.
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And it was a lot worse than
they could have ever imagined.
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Adam and Marsha said that
during the time frame of
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the homicide,
they were not home.
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The couple is adamant that
they had nothing to do with
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Cheadle's murder.
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They don't know how this blood
splatter ended up on
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their back porch.
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And their alibi was verified.
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Everything checked out.
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They did go visit
a hospital in Indiana.
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However, they then let
investigators know that
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somebody had been staying in
their house while he was having
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some trouble with his family.
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The homeowner said that
his cousin, Terry Durbin,
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had access to the house.
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And it was on-again-off-again
staying there.
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The night that they came back
home from Indianapolis,
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they found that Terry Durbin
was there with
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a 19-year-old kid.
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The homeowner said that
the 19-year-old was drinking
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beer and smoking marijuana.
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This 19-year-old kid
was David Mizner.
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And Mizner had called
the cell phone that Mr. Cheadle
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had on his person.
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So things started coming
together pretty quick.
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People did tell us that Terry
had left and was going to visit
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his brother up in Georgia.
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But prior to him leaving,
they noted that he gave them
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some cash and that he got some
repairs done to his vehicle.
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And they found it kind of odd,
because he had been kind of
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on hard times, and did not have
a lot of money.
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And suddenly, he's got
a lot of cash on him.
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At that point, our focus turned
to learning as much as we could
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about the cousin, Terry Durbin.
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When investigators learned
the name Terry Durbin,
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Durbin happens to be
someone
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who knows Cheadle's stepson.
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Terry Durbin and my stepbrother
Derek grew up together in
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the same little town.
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So that's how my dad met
Terry Durbin,
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was through my stepbrother.
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Investigators start doing some
background digging into him,
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and they find he sells pot
and he has a violent temper.
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One of our local police
departments had told us that
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he was a suspect in
a home invasion.
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They also indicated that he was
a suspect in a bank robbery
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that had occurred in
South Bend.
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Terry is a bad guy.
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The investigators understand
that there is this murderer
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going through their community,
hiding somewhere,
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00:22:57,982 --> 00:22:59,692
and potentially could
strike again.
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While investigators are digging
into Durbin's background,
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00:23:05,156 --> 00:23:09,452
some people let them know there
was a double murder in a small
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town called Mongo, about
two hours north in Indiana.
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I would describe my dad,
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he was a pretty...
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...boisterous guy.
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Very warm, very caring,
very giving.
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00:23:38,606 --> 00:23:42,151
Terry Anderson and I ran around
together and had a lot of fun.
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We liked to fish and hunt
and stuff like that.
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Darleen, my stepmother,
she was like
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a little butterfly.
She was very soft spoken.
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She had a really warm heart.
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My dad and Darleen had one
child together, and that was
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Amanda Anderson.
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00:24:05,299 --> 00:24:07,968
My dad worked for
a tree service company.
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After Katrina, he decided to go
down south to help with
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clearing out some of the trees
and the damage.
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And he definitely
was able to earn
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and save quite a bit of money.
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00:24:24,860 --> 00:24:27,113
He was working on having a side
business, having a side
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00:24:27,238 --> 00:24:30,199
business, and being a musky
tour guide.
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00:24:30,199 --> 00:24:33,536
You know, and he says, I'm just
going to take $10,000 cash,
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and I'm going to get a brand
new boat, but two feet longer.
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00:24:38,582 --> 00:24:41,961
And he did tell people that
he had quite a bit of money to
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00:24:42,086 --> 00:24:43,087
buy this boat.
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00:24:44,505 --> 00:24:46,590
Maybe he could talk
a little bit too much.
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00:24:52,930 --> 00:24:55,182
The phone call came
when I was at work
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that Darleen had been shot,
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00:25:01,605 --> 00:25:05,901
and is dead in the house,
and they can't find dad.
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When we got to Mongo,
a detective came and started
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00:25:14,910 --> 00:25:17,955
handing me personal items
of my dad's.
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That's when he told me that
my dad was found in the barn
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and he was deceased.
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00:25:25,629 --> 00:25:26,964
And they said
that they were murdered.
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It was violent.
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When you find out that a family
member dies, it's hard just
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00:25:43,814 --> 00:25:45,483
knowing that they're not
here anymore.
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00:25:46,984 --> 00:25:50,488
But for it to sink in that
they were taken,
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00:25:50,488 --> 00:25:54,950
violently taken,
it has a different tone.
402
00:26:01,332 --> 00:26:03,667
They didn't tell me where
Terry was murdered.
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00:26:05,169 --> 00:26:07,338
I found this out when
we started walking out
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00:26:07,338 --> 00:26:08,798
to the other side of
the pole barn.
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00:26:10,007 --> 00:26:14,845
This huge, huge,
round circumference of blood,
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00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:16,889
thick.
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00:26:17,014 --> 00:26:21,560
And Terry Anderson's hat was
laying right there
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00:26:21,685 --> 00:26:25,731
in this pool of blood.
And I'm like, oh, my gosh!
409
00:26:27,149 --> 00:26:29,902
Terry and Darleen were
brutally beat.
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00:26:30,027 --> 00:26:32,154
Terry's throat was cut.
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00:26:32,154 --> 00:26:35,449
And you could see the blood
on the lawnmower.
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00:26:35,449 --> 00:26:40,871
And the blood on the ceiling
looked like somebody did that.
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00:26:40,996 --> 00:26:43,374
You know, the blood was
wall to wall,
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00:26:44,667 --> 00:26:48,546
little pieces of
scalp and stuff.
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00:26:48,546 --> 00:26:51,882
And you could see where he put
a handprint on the mower.
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00:26:53,718 --> 00:26:56,804
And I'm like, oh my gosh,
you know,
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00:26:56,804 --> 00:27:00,141
this is where he was murdered?
And they're like, "Yeah."
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00:27:00,141 --> 00:27:02,560
And I go, "This is not good.
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00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,812
I can't have my wife see
this stuff."
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00:27:07,023 --> 00:27:09,191
They said, "I mean, we can have
a cleanup service come in
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00:27:09,191 --> 00:27:10,401
and clean it up."
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00:27:10,401 --> 00:27:12,069
And I said, "Well, when will
that happen?"
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"I don't know, maybe a couple of
days," the investigator said.
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And I says, "Oh, I can't have
Sherry see her dad here."
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00:27:19,744 --> 00:27:21,078
"Well," the investigator says,
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00:27:21,078 --> 00:27:22,413
"Well, you can clean him up."
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00:27:24,749 --> 00:27:29,628
From my perspective, this case
was poorly investigated.
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00:27:29,754 --> 00:27:33,674
Investigators turned the crime
scene over to the family
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00:27:33,674 --> 00:27:35,634
immediately after only hours.
430
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,471
They tell the family members
that they can clean it up.
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00:27:39,972 --> 00:27:43,559
Family members are panicked.
They don't know what to do.
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00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:47,188
So they start taking everything
out of this house that has
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00:27:47,188 --> 00:27:48,272
blood on it.
434
00:27:49,607 --> 00:27:53,944
They take out the carpet
and burn all of this evidence,
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00:27:53,944 --> 00:27:56,530
unknowingly thinking that
investigators have
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00:27:56,530 --> 00:27:57,615
everything they need.
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00:27:59,784 --> 00:28:02,203
And there is a murderer on
the loose,
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00:28:02,203 --> 00:28:03,788
ready to strike again.
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00:28:29,355 --> 00:28:34,318
Terry Durbin worked at the tree
trimming service with my dad.
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00:28:37,822 --> 00:28:41,242
They worked quite closely.
I met him on a few occasions.
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00:28:44,286 --> 00:28:48,582
He was a laborer and kind of
an aid-and-assist.
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00:28:50,584 --> 00:28:54,672
Putting brush or anything into
the shredder, whatever it takes
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00:28:54,672 --> 00:28:56,173
to get the job done.
444
00:28:57,758 --> 00:29:01,137
My father-in-law and I would be
out in the barn.
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00:29:01,137 --> 00:29:02,513
And a couple of occasions,
you know,
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00:29:02,638 --> 00:29:05,725
Terry Durbin showed up
just to talk.
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00:29:09,186 --> 00:29:14,150
If Durbin was indeed involved
in those Mongo murders,
448
00:29:14,150 --> 00:29:17,194
as he is suspected to have
been, it also appears
449
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:18,696
that he didn't like to
operate alone.
450
00:29:20,614 --> 00:29:24,285
Terry Anderson's daughter,
Amanda, you know,
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00:29:24,285 --> 00:29:29,331
she had a meth addiction,
I guess you could say.
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00:29:29,331 --> 00:29:31,917
Known to do meth,
hanging around with meth
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00:29:32,043 --> 00:29:35,379
friends, hanging out with
Terry Durbin as well.
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00:29:37,131 --> 00:29:41,260
There is lots of speculation
from family members
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00:29:41,385 --> 00:29:47,975
and detectives as well that
Amanda had a role in the death
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00:29:47,975 --> 00:29:49,060
of her parents.
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00:29:49,894 --> 00:29:55,274
I suspected a possibility of
my sister or her circle
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00:29:55,399 --> 00:29:58,444
of friends.
There was a lot of
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00:30:00,404 --> 00:30:03,491
behaviors that I questioned
about my sister.
460
00:30:08,579 --> 00:30:13,042
And the lack of trying to find
out who murdered our father
461
00:30:13,042 --> 00:30:14,251
and her mother.
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00:30:15,753 --> 00:30:21,008
Maybe it wasn't something where
she expected them to be killed,
463
00:30:21,008 --> 00:30:26,931
but there was an incentive for
her to get that money that
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00:30:27,056 --> 00:30:29,433
her parents and her father
in particular
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00:30:29,558 --> 00:30:31,811
had just come up with.
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00:30:33,187 --> 00:30:37,108
My sister's possible
involvement affected me
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00:30:37,108 --> 00:30:41,570
very deep, and I still,
it still bothers me.
468
00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:43,656
It still hurts me, just
the thought--
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00:31:04,969 --> 00:31:10,266
This case had been cold already
for four years before Terry
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00:31:10,266 --> 00:31:15,479
Durbin's name comes up again in
this murder of Patrick Cheadle.
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00:31:15,479 --> 00:31:19,442
As it turns out, the two cases
had quite a few similarities.
472
00:31:21,777 --> 00:31:23,988
From what I've gathered about
Terry Durbin,
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00:31:23,988 --> 00:31:25,364
Everything's about money.
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00:31:25,489 --> 00:31:30,327
And that's where these two
cases really collide.
475
00:31:30,453 --> 00:31:34,832
Both of these men had cash on
hand in their pockets.
476
00:31:34,957 --> 00:31:38,335
Both of these men were talking
about the money that they had
477
00:31:38,335 --> 00:31:40,379
in their pockets.
478
00:31:40,504 --> 00:31:43,007
My dad had lent
Terry Durbin money.
479
00:31:43,007 --> 00:31:46,218
And I believe Terry Durbin had
given my dad a check.
480
00:31:46,343 --> 00:31:48,179
And I don't think the check was
a good check.
481
00:31:48,179 --> 00:31:51,015
And my dad had had a hard time
and was angry
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00:31:51,015 --> 00:31:54,226
with Terry Durbin with
this loan.
483
00:31:56,312 --> 00:31:58,856
We were told he was,
more than likely,
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00:31:58,981 --> 00:32:00,775
the person who committed
the crimes
485
00:32:00,775 --> 00:32:02,193
in the Mongo murders.
486
00:32:04,653 --> 00:32:07,031
When a crime occurs in a small
community like that,
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00:32:07,156 --> 00:32:09,867
the word spreads fast,
and people were scared.
488
00:32:11,369 --> 00:32:13,371
I was hearing a bunch of rumors
about Terry Durbin.
489
00:32:14,830 --> 00:32:17,666
The rumors on the street were
about people he'd beat up
490
00:32:17,666 --> 00:32:20,711
and almost beat to death,
who wouldn't ever testify
491
00:32:20,711 --> 00:32:21,962
or tell the cops who did it.
492
00:32:24,048 --> 00:32:26,884
I honestly was quite scared
after this.
493
00:32:26,884 --> 00:32:29,553
I never had a gun in my house.
494
00:32:29,553 --> 00:32:33,682
I had a handgun that I slept
with under my pillow because it
495
00:32:33,682 --> 00:32:34,809
was very scary.
496
00:32:36,185 --> 00:32:39,188
People are terrified that there
is a murderer on the loose
497
00:32:39,188 --> 00:32:40,272
in their community.
498
00:32:42,358 --> 00:32:45,945
We knew we had a very bad guy,
and we wanted to find these two
499
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:48,698
people before someone else was
going to get killed.
500
00:32:50,241 --> 00:32:51,242
We didn't sleep.
501
00:32:52,618 --> 00:32:54,495
We'd get a couple hours
and start out early
502
00:32:54,495 --> 00:32:55,788
in the morning.
503
00:32:55,913 --> 00:32:58,708
You know, we had the Sheriff's
Office involved and then we had
504
00:32:58,708 --> 00:33:00,042
Randolph County involved.
505
00:33:01,877 --> 00:33:04,922
Everybody worked for
a common goal.
506
00:33:04,922 --> 00:33:09,218
We got the numbers and we were
able to track their cell phones
507
00:33:09,218 --> 00:33:11,512
and we knew that Terry Durbin
was going to Georgia,
508
00:33:12,763 --> 00:33:15,391
and Mr. Mizner, we pinged him
up in Chicago.
509
00:33:17,268 --> 00:33:21,022
I made contact with David,
and I called him.
510
00:33:21,022 --> 00:33:22,606
I introduced myself.
511
00:33:22,732 --> 00:33:24,066
I could tell that
he was nervous.
512
00:33:24,066 --> 00:33:26,485
We then talked about
the fact that
513
00:33:27,611 --> 00:33:30,406
he showed concern because
Mr. Durbin wanted to meet him.
514
00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:35,828
And I kept telling him, do not
meet him, because looking at
515
00:33:35,953 --> 00:33:38,164
the dynamics of the two,
you could tell who was probably
516
00:33:38,289 --> 00:33:40,291
the leader
and who was the follower.
517
00:33:40,291 --> 00:33:44,128
And I explained,
"If you meet with him,
518
00:33:44,253 --> 00:33:46,756
he's gonna get rid of
loose ends."
519
00:33:48,299 --> 00:33:50,968
The investigators know
Terry Durbin
520
00:33:52,636 --> 00:33:53,804
could strike again.
521
00:33:55,139 --> 00:33:57,308
It was just a matter of time.
522
00:34:18,454 --> 00:34:20,873
I was very focused on getting
those two in.
523
00:34:21,957 --> 00:34:25,711
We had a 53-year-old guy who we
strongly believe was involved
524
00:34:25,711 --> 00:34:28,798
in another double homicide
who was experienced in
525
00:34:28,923 --> 00:34:30,007
the world of crime.
526
00:34:30,132 --> 00:34:33,260
And we had a 19-year-old kid
who was foolish enough to
527
00:34:33,260 --> 00:34:37,390
follow the lead of
Terry Durbin.
528
00:34:37,390 --> 00:34:41,727
We decided to just call Terry
Durbin and David Mizner,
529
00:34:41,727 --> 00:34:45,398
just call them initially to see
if they would cooperate
530
00:34:45,398 --> 00:34:47,733
and come back and speak
with us.
531
00:34:47,733 --> 00:34:50,945
And shockingly,
both agreed to return.
532
00:34:50,945 --> 00:34:54,031
However, Terry said that
he needed to take care of some
533
00:34:54,156 --> 00:34:56,409
personal business before
he would return.
534
00:34:59,203 --> 00:35:01,997
David Mizner's mother had
already got him an attorney,
535
00:35:01,997 --> 00:35:04,500
and he had "X" amount of time to
turn himself in, or I told
536
00:35:04,625 --> 00:35:07,169
him that we would start
looking for him,
537
00:35:07,169 --> 00:35:09,755
and that would not be good.
538
00:35:09,755 --> 00:35:12,466
In my thought process,
Mr. Durbin wanted to meet
539
00:35:12,466 --> 00:35:18,889
Mr. Mizner to kill Mizner.
And I think he knew that.
540
00:35:19,014 --> 00:35:22,184
I think he figured that out.
He was scared.
541
00:35:22,184 --> 00:35:23,519
So he did come in.
542
00:35:25,688 --> 00:35:27,023
Mizner was ready to talk.
543
00:35:28,524 --> 00:35:30,818
He looked like
a scared kid to me.
544
00:35:32,028 --> 00:35:36,866
He told us they had set up
a drug deal.
545
00:35:36,991 --> 00:35:41,078
They were selling three pounds
of marijuana, and the asking
546
00:35:41,203 --> 00:35:42,788
price was $9,000 to $10,000.
547
00:35:45,875 --> 00:35:49,086
He was chosen,
which with the similarities with
548
00:35:49,211 --> 00:35:52,965
Mongo, because he was gonna
have cash on hand.
549
00:35:52,965 --> 00:35:56,385
Pat was there to buy $10,000
worth of marijuana.
550
00:35:56,385 --> 00:35:58,262
It did not exist.
551
00:35:58,387 --> 00:36:01,390
Instead of it being a marijuana
purchase, it was a robbery,
552
00:36:01,515 --> 00:36:03,142
and the robbery turned
into a homicide.
553
00:36:05,436 --> 00:36:07,938
David Mizner did not know
the person personally
554
00:36:08,064 --> 00:36:09,231
who was coming,
555
00:36:10,566 --> 00:36:14,236
and he said that when
he arrived, there was a green
556
00:36:14,236 --> 00:36:17,990
van that came down the driveway
and that Terry Durbin had went
557
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:19,492
to answer the door.
558
00:36:21,827 --> 00:36:24,538
While Terry was outside,
he hears a pop that
559
00:36:24,538 --> 00:36:26,207
he recognizes as a gunshot.
560
00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:30,127
He told us that
Terry came back in the house
561
00:36:30,252 --> 00:36:32,421
pointing the gun at him,
562
00:36:32,421 --> 00:36:34,715
telling him to come help him
or he was next.
563
00:36:36,926 --> 00:36:40,596
He told us that Terry Durbin
then used a hose to clean blood
564
00:36:40,596 --> 00:36:41,764
off the deck.
565
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:44,809
They drug the body to the van.
566
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:50,022
Durbin drove the van with
Patrick Cheadle in the back.
567
00:36:50,022 --> 00:36:51,607
Mr. Mizner was behind him.
568
00:36:54,318 --> 00:36:55,736
They dumped him off at
Elm Street.
569
00:36:58,989 --> 00:37:00,950
And then they drove back
to the residence.
570
00:37:03,202 --> 00:37:06,122
And later on, that's when
the homeowners did come home.
571
00:37:06,122 --> 00:37:08,165
And he found
that they were drinking.
572
00:37:10,418 --> 00:37:14,338
David Mizner also told us that
prior to him and Terry
573
00:37:14,463 --> 00:37:18,426
separating ways, Terry gave
him $2,000 in cash.
574
00:37:19,927 --> 00:37:23,681
David Mizner also did tell us
that he purchased the gun.
575
00:37:23,806 --> 00:37:26,142
And he told us that
he didn't know
576
00:37:26,267 --> 00:37:27,893
a murder was going to occur.
577
00:37:27,893 --> 00:37:30,312
I mean, he thought it was going
to be a robbery.
578
00:37:32,982 --> 00:37:36,360
Investigators now have what
they believe is enough evidence
579
00:37:36,485 --> 00:37:38,946
to arrest both
Mizner and Durbin.
580
00:37:40,656 --> 00:37:44,702
Shortly after we were contacted
by Terry Durbin's attorney,
581
00:37:44,827 --> 00:37:48,039
and the attorney made it clear
to us that he had talked to
582
00:37:48,164 --> 00:37:51,459
his client and he did not wish
to talk with law enforcement,
583
00:37:51,459 --> 00:37:54,420
we explained to him we were
taking him into custody and we
584
00:37:54,420 --> 00:37:57,006
still had enough reason to
believe that he was involved
585
00:37:57,131 --> 00:37:58,132
in the murder.
586
00:37:59,925 --> 00:38:03,846
On November 12, 2009, two weeks
after the murder of Patrick
587
00:38:03,846 --> 00:38:07,183
Cheadle, Terry Durbin is
finally arrested and charged
588
00:38:07,308 --> 00:38:08,559
with his murder.
589
00:38:08,684 --> 00:38:12,855
David Mizner, also arrested,
also charged in the murder of
590
00:38:12,855 --> 00:38:15,024
Patrick Cheadle.
591
00:38:15,149 --> 00:38:18,527
David Mizner cooperated with
investigators, cooperated
592
00:38:18,652 --> 00:38:19,862
with the prosecution,
593
00:38:19,862 --> 00:38:23,532
and he was treated as
a friendly witness.
594
00:38:23,532 --> 00:38:25,785
He still got charged
with murder.
595
00:38:25,785 --> 00:38:27,495
He still got charged
with robbery.
596
00:38:27,495 --> 00:38:30,873
However, the prosecution
and the state made a deal,
597
00:38:30,873 --> 00:38:32,833
sentenced him to 20 years
in prison.
598
00:38:35,294 --> 00:38:37,046
Durbin denied everything,
599
00:38:37,046 --> 00:38:39,131
claimed he was completely
innocent.
600
00:38:41,634 --> 00:38:43,010
The trial was in 2010.
601
00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:45,012
All of Cheadle's family
was there.
602
00:38:45,012 --> 00:38:48,391
They brought in a slew of
character witnesses describing
603
00:38:48,516 --> 00:38:52,186
Terry Durbin's
behavior, his temper.
604
00:38:53,854 --> 00:38:56,440
On October 29th, jury goes
into deliberations.
605
00:38:56,565 --> 00:38:59,985
They spend only six hours,
and they come back with guilty
606
00:38:59,985 --> 00:39:02,988
on both charges,
murder and armed robbery.
607
00:39:12,331 --> 00:39:14,083
When the jury said "guilty,"
608
00:39:15,126 --> 00:39:16,168
I actually teared up.
609
00:39:16,168 --> 00:39:19,547
I mean, it was like
a huge feeling of relief.
610
00:39:20,923 --> 00:39:22,383
And uh...
611
00:39:23,592 --> 00:39:25,094
I-- I know what it did
for the family,
612
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:29,432
but Patrick Cheadle's still
somebody's dad.
613
00:39:31,142 --> 00:39:33,602
They took my rock from me.
614
00:39:35,229 --> 00:39:38,524
They took my father.
They took my kid's grandpa.
615
00:39:38,524 --> 00:39:41,652
They don't get to experience
and build memories like I did
616
00:39:41,777 --> 00:39:42,778
with my dad.
617
00:39:43,946 --> 00:39:45,781
They took a son.
618
00:39:45,781 --> 00:39:48,034
They took a caregiver for
my grandma away.
619
00:39:49,410 --> 00:39:53,497
I believe that Pat Cheadle could
have still been alive if
620
00:39:53,622 --> 00:39:56,709
we'd been able to nab Terry
Durbin in my family's case.
621
00:39:58,961 --> 00:40:02,465
We were told that
he was the suspect in
622
00:40:02,590 --> 00:40:04,550
the Mongo murders,
623
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:07,011
but they would not try
a circumstantial case.
624
00:40:07,136 --> 00:40:09,096
They wanted
more physical evidence
625
00:40:09,096 --> 00:40:11,140
that would tie him there.
626
00:40:11,140 --> 00:40:13,809
They just thought it wasn't
a case they could try and win,
627
00:40:13,934 --> 00:40:14,935
is what I was told.
628
00:40:26,989 --> 00:40:30,743
Whoever did it,
they should pay for it.
629
00:40:30,743 --> 00:40:33,788
Every single day, I have to
wake up knowing what happened
630
00:40:33,788 --> 00:40:36,957
to my family.
I mean, they beat them.
631
00:40:36,957 --> 00:40:39,168
They beat them to where
they couldn't even have
632
00:40:39,293 --> 00:40:40,336
an open casket.
633
00:40:42,838 --> 00:40:45,383
It's the violence that really
bothers me the most.
634
00:40:45,508 --> 00:40:49,512
That's what really,
really, really hurts, is the...
635
00:40:51,305 --> 00:40:52,681
...is how they died.
636
00:40:52,807 --> 00:40:55,142
It's not a matter that
they died, it's how.
637
00:40:57,311 --> 00:40:58,771
It's so hard.
638
00:41:00,648 --> 00:41:01,607
It's so hard.
639
00:41:08,572 --> 00:41:12,159
He's the first and only person
that I registered with
640
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:14,537
the prisons with that I want to
know if he's released,
641
00:41:14,537 --> 00:41:16,789
if he escapes,
642
00:41:16,789 --> 00:41:19,041
that they will personally call
my cell phone and tell me.
643
00:41:20,251 --> 00:41:22,253
I want to know where
he's at at all times.
644
00:41:23,379 --> 00:41:28,843
He's where he needs to be,
and I pray that the Andersons
645
00:41:28,843 --> 00:41:30,636
are able to get justice
in their case.
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