All language subtitles for Epsteins.Shadow.Ghislaine.Maxwell.S01E03

-Once Jeffrey Epstein
moved to Palm Beach,

Ghislaine Maxwell
was essentially working for him.

-I would say Ghislaine was
under Jeffrey's spell

and was willing to
do anything for him.

-Hello?
-This is Detective Joe Recarey

with Palm Beach Police.

-Palm Beach police, when they
did the search warrant,

found evidence that they had a
serial pedophile on their hands,

but the feds did nothing!

They did nothing!

-Would you please give us
your name?

-Jeffrey Epstein.

-He's arrested, he's charged,

but he gets
this sweetheart deal.

-The guilty plea
and deal-ending process

that could have sent Epstein
to jail for 15 years.

-And he got 18 months because
they -- pardon my French --

didn't give a shit
about the victims.

-The deal they made
was the dumbest deal in history.

-He's able to have
work-release privileges

and leave his jail cell.

-He negotiated, also,

essentially immunity
for Ghislaine Maxwell.

-Why?
Why would that happen?

-I believe it was
a blackmail operation.

I mean, what else would it be?

These people get away
with everything.

-The FBI didn't want to know
what Ghislaine Maxwell knew.

This was a cover-up.

-The state's happy.
They have a conviction.

Epstein got this
sweetheart deal.

Everybody's happy.

They believed this thing
was gonna go away.

That's, I think, what Epstein
and Maxwell were counting on.

-Convicted sex offender
Jeffrey Epstein

made a sneaky getaway
from jail this morning.

-Typically when released,
the former inmates are able

to walk free across this bridge
to a parking lot below.

But not Epstein.

He was able to exit
from an area below,

an area where a vehicle
was waiting for him,

we're told,
for his security and privacy.

-Jeffrey's just happy
that this is over,

and he's ready to move on
to the next portion of his life.

-Jeffrey and Ghislaine
moved back to New York

after he got out
of Palm Beach County.

In Florida, he had to register
as a sex offender.

But they reentered social
circles in New York as if --

as if nothing had happened.

-After he was convicted
and it was in the press,

he was not shunned by a certain
set of people in New York.

These are people who are
sophisticated in the media,

who live on the news.

How could they not have known?

-In my opinion, because
of everything I've seen,

wealthy people always get away
with everything.

And money makes up for
all wrongs in New York society.

-If one of my best friends
went to jail,

I wouldn't just cut them off,
like, right away.

I would want to, like,
find out what happened.

And, you know,
a lot of these things,

you can't really believe media
and all of this.

Like, it's hard to know
who to believe.

But during that time,
I would see her solo.

She wouldn't really mention him
and what happened.

-New Yorkers don't care about
your background or your scandal.

If you've got money,
and you've got influence,

that's all they care about.

It's who you are
in this minute, now.

-Epstein and Ghislaine
both engaged

in reputational laundering.

And what they do is they tried
to recast themselves

as philanthropists.

-Tell everybody how much
you love the ocean,

love your planet for generations
to come.

So how does it --
does it all look --

Does my hair look good, do I...?

-She was really ramping up
her presence across the country

in terms
of attending social events.

-She was very engaging
and charming.

She had this
incredible vocabulary

and she could speak
many languages.

So, she could just jump in
at a party

and start talking to anyone.

-And she really began focusing
on cultivating the Clintons.

-I was at a dinner
and Bill Clinton was there

and a lot
of other influential names.

You know, she was very pally
with Bill Clinton.

Ghislaine and Bill
just looked, like,

very at ease with each other.

-They were all
in the same orbit.

And Ghislaine is in her element.

This is exactly
what she's used to --

private jets and presidents.

They go back a long way,
you know.

She went
to Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

-There was still money coming in
from Jeffery.

But at the same time,

Ghislaine was trying
to legitimize herself.

She was trying
to move herself away

from the Jeffery Epstein world.

And this was going
to be her way out.

-Today, we have Ghislaine,

and, Ghislaine,
tell me about your new project.

-So, the TerraMar Project
is a new ocean initiative.

-It was then that Ghislaine
began this TerraMar nonprofit.

-It's an ocean-based, uh...
digital platform to...

which I'm going to be
talking to you about.

And so the job
of the TerraMar Project

is to create
a global ocean community.

I created a pledge,

and the pledge
is that you love the ocean.

It's called the "I Love
the Ocean" pledge.

It's relatively easy to sign.

You go in, you say,
"I love the ocean.

I will spread my love
of the ocean

with my family and friends."

And when you say, yes,
you love the ocean,

you receive a digital passport.

You then get a passport
that makes you

a joint citizen of land and sea

and you become, uh --

You get a TerraMar passport.

-So we not only will have
our own citizenship

and passport for our country,

but we will actually have
our own flag

and a passport for the ocean.

-Yes, and we also have
a daily newspaper.

It's called "The Daily Catch."

-TerraMar also has,
um, is a global --

is a, uh, online platform to
give information to everybody.

And this way you have
all the, uh, Internet...

-TerraMar was mostly a website.

-If you were to look
up the website,

you have the option to buy up
parts of the ocean through her.

-Obviously I'm not
selling the ocean.

It's only
a digital representation,

but you get to buy a piece of
the ocean on here, you get to...

-She would bring in interns,

and they would accompany
Ghislaine to go

and speak at schools
and universities

and in front of the UN.

-Um, a sustainable
development goal at the UN

is, I think, a fantastic thing.

The United Nations is absolutely
the right place to lead this.

Thank you.

-When Ghislaine invited me
over to her house,

the thing she most wanted
to talk about

and that she was
very eloquent about

was saving the world's oceans.

And I had never heard her talk
about that stuff ever before.

And I figured, "I guess
she moved on from Epstein.

He's not part of her life
anymore."

-Who, uh, who loves the ocean
in this room?

Can you please raise your hands
if you do?

-When I would see her,

she would be
talking about TerraMar.

I think being involved
with a charity

was definitely a way
to, like, detract

from, like, the negative press
that was surrounding Jeffrey

and rebranding herself.

-TerraMar gave Ghislaine
the vehicle to appear

on this international stage,

which is what she was
cultivating at the time.

She was being seen with
just about everybody.

She was being photographed
with everybody,

and she was looking into
romances with other individuals.

-Ghislaine was in Reykjavik
at the Arctic Circle Assembly.

It was a conference
where invited members

were there to meet, mingle,

and to present their findings
on various topics.

And that's where she met
Scott Borgerson.

-Well, good afternoon, everyone,
and thank you for coming

to this afternoon's meeting.

-Scott Borgerson
is a tech entrepreneur.

He founded a company
called CargoMetrics.

-We've been building
a patented system

to bring big data to shipping.

-When I first met Scott,

he struck me
as one of those startup people.

You know, they're very eager,
they're always selling you.

-The TerraMar operation
put her in contact

with a whole new crowd
of people,

including Scott Borgerson.

-Arctic Nations are actually
working in a concerned way.

-Borgerson was very connected
to the Trump administration,

who had been in the Coast Guard

and had started his own
global logistics company.

-I do think that both of them
were opportunists.

I can't imagine
a better union, really.

They can help each other.

-He was married at that point,

but eventually she
hooked up with him.

Everything is going along
just great.

She's got this little
ocean-saving philanthropy.

She's giving a TED talk.

She's succeeding,

until Virginia Giuffre
drops a bomb into it.

-And the next day,

Ghislaine tells me
I did a really good job.

She pats me on the back

and said,
"You made him really happy."

-Virginia Roberts alleges
that she was kept as a sex slave

for three years
by Jeffrey Epstein.

-Ms. Roberts opted to go public,

giving an interview
to a British tabloid.

-In 2015,
Virginia Roberts Giuffre

decided to sell her story
to "The Daily Mail."

"The Daily Mail"
publishes this exposé

that said, for the first time,

that Virginia was trafficked
to other men

besides Jeffery,

including Prince Andrew.

-British newspapers have
published this picture

of Roberts with the prince
when she was just 17.

"The Daily Mail" has got
10 questions here

that it believes
the palace should be answering.

And the first one is, "How did
this picture come to be taken?"

-Ghislaine tells me
that I have to do

for Andrew
what I do for Jeffrey,

and that made me sick.

I just didn't expect it

from someone
that people look up to

and admire, you know,
in the royal family.

-Virginia Roberts filed
legal papers in Florida,

claiming that she was forced
to have sex with Prince Andrew

on several occasions.

-It's also mentioning somebody
I haven't heard about for years,

daughter of Robert Maxwell.

I think it's, um,
Ghislaine Maxwell.

-At that point,
Ghislaine Maxwell,

for the first time,
enters the public domain

as a participant

in this Jeffery Epstein
sex-trafficking operation.

-When the story started
coming out,

I was really shocked,

and people that have known her,
like, since university,

they're, like, "Wow.

We never saw that side in her."

I still find some of it
hard to believe,

that this person
in the newspaper

is actually someone
that we knew...

...or thought we knew.

-Can I ask you

about all the allegations
that have come out, Ghislaine?

Obviously they're very damning,
involving British royalty.

-Ghislaine was no longer
associated with Epstein

in a public way.

But we know they were in contact

when "The Daily Mail" article
came out,

when he e-mails her and says,
"You've done nothing wrong.

Go forward with your head high."

So, she gets her
public-relations team,

writes a press release
denying all...

...and calling Virginia a liar.

-Ghislaine, do you have anything
to say about the allegations?

Have you spoken
to Prince Andrew?

-Happy New Year.
-Happy New Year.

Have you spoken
to Prince Andrew?

-I've made a statement,
thank you.

-Virginia then gets herself
lawyered up,

and they bring a defamation suit
against Ghislaine Maxwell.

-During the deposition, she is
slamming her hand on the table.

She's knocking things over.

She doesn't want to have
anything to do with this.

She views all of this,
you know, as an inconvenience.

-I think it's nonsense
that in the deposition,

she's acting as if
she's such a rather prim,

prudish woman who really
wouldn't go to such depravity.

It seems completely fantastical
to me.

I think it's a complete,
um, fabrication

of who she really is.

-Virginia Giuffre's
defamation case

against Ghislaine Maxwell
was settled in June of 2017.

And at that point,

she sells this
$15 million townhouse

that Jeffrey had bought her

and she starts to retreat
from New York society.

-Virginia's exposé definitely
would have rattled her.

I think that would have rattled,
like, anybody

that gets exposed like that.

-Her last really big appearance
is out in Europe

doing this Cash & Rocket
charity car drive

to raise money for poor women

while flaunting you know,
high-end, luxury goods.

-The days have been long
but very, very fun.

-She was photographed
with other socialites,

and that was the last time
you really saw her in public.

-Reporters at the "Miami Herald"

have dug
into a long-dormant story,

and what they found
about Jeffrey Epstein

could blow the whole sordid tale
wide open once again.

-Nothing else would've happened
to Epstein except for a reporter

at the "Miami Herald"
named Julie K. Brown

did an in-depth investigation
about the Epstein case

and the sweetheart deal.

-It was alleged that he had
molested all these girls.

You know, dozens,
if not hundreds, of girls,

and I thought
"Where are these girls now?

And what do they think
about this deal?"

And I started from
that vantage point.

-The "Miami Herald"
collected dozens

of corroborating witnesses

stating the same things
that Virginia was alleging.

-The Feds were embarrassed
by the "Miami Herald" story

and forced to take some action.

-Jeffrey Epstein was arrested
in a covert operation

as he landed on
a flight from France.

-Authorities seen here raiding
his home in Manhattan.

-Agents hauling out boxes
of the financier's belongings.

-Today we announce the unsealing
of sex-trafficking charges

against Jeffrey Epstein.

-They basically just dusted off
the same indictment

that was prepared in 2007
in Florida

and was shelved,
after Acosta made this deal.

-While the charged conduct
is from a number of years ago,

it is still profoundly important
to the many alleged victims.

-So they basically just took
the old indictment

and filed it in Manhattan.

-Jeffrey Epstein will be
in court tomorrow

to face new charges

of sex crimes
involving underage girls.

-Shortly after Jeffrey's arrest,

I became completely transfixed
by this story.

This was a guy I had known,
not very well,

but I had known Ghislaine
and been very, very fond of her.

But this is another dimension
of Ghislaine

that I was totally unaware of

and was deeply sickened
and horrified by.

-All of his homes
had video equipment.

And the FBI reportedly
found troves

of pictures of underage girls,

so the federal government has,
in its possession,

a large amount of video
and photographic evidence

that would be devastating
to Epstein's co-conspirators.

-And it seemed that,
inevitably at some point,

Ghislaine was going
to be implicated.

-Why do you think he's received
the treatment he has?

-That's the question
I still want to know.

-Hopefully, the judge will do
the right thing here

and make sure
that he doesn't get out.

-After Jeffrey Epstein's arrest
in 2019,

everyone wondered whether
he was gonna go to trial or not.

-His attorneys are arguing that
this feels like double jeopardy,

because years ago,
Epstein struck a deal

with federal prosecutors
in Florida over similar crimes,

granting him immunity
after he pleaded guilty

to a lesser charge.

But prosecutors are now saying
that was only for Florida,

not for New York.

-I went to a party
in Saint-Tropez

of a famous
British property developer.

And suddenly, I saw Ghislaine.

And went up to her
and introduced myself.

She seemed in many ways
not only unemotional,

but also detached
from life all together.

She seemed lost.

-TerraMar was closed down

right after
Jeffrey Epstein's arrest in 2019

and people started to wonder
whether Ghislaine Maxwell

was going to be apprehended
and put on trial herself.

But then there's this bombshell.

-Breaking news out
of New York --

convicted pedophile
and accused sex trafficker

Jeffrey Epstein is dead.

-Epstein had been on suicide
watch but was taken off

shortly before his death.

-The U.S. Attorney's Office

was getting ready
to prosecute this guy,

and all of a sudden, he ends
up dead in their custody.

-The government alleges
he committed suicide

by hanging himself...

with bed sheets
that he had tied into knots.

-He had told people
that he was suicidal.

He was left alone in his cell
with his sheets,

and he was given the opportunity
to commit suicide.

-The suicide theory is the one

that the government
has gone with.

But immediately after
he was found dead,

the media began questioning
the circumstances.

-The conspiracy theories
are flying

because the whole story
doesn't make any sense.

-If he has all these secrets
on people,

you could see, "Okay,
there's a motivation

for some wealthy person
to hire a hit man,

to go in and somehow murder him
in prison."

-I do believe he was killed

by people that didn't want
to be exposed.

-I think there's a huge amount
of conspiracy

about how Epstein died

and whether it was suicide
or whether it was foul play

just as there has been
about Robert Maxwell

for many, many years.

-In the Atlantic ocean,
a death and a mystery.

Robert Maxwell disappeared
from his yacht.

-There are many parallels

between Robert Maxwell
and Jeffrey Epstein.

Did Maxwell jump off the back
of the boat

in the Canary Islands
or was he murdered?

Did Epstein hang himself
in a New York prison

or was he murdered?

It's actually quite creepy,

the similarities
between them both.

And there's something very
sinister about both stories.

-If you're Ghislaine Maxwell
and all of a sudden,

Jeffrey Epstein dies,

that would put the fear
of God into you.

-Some people might think

that she was
in fear of her life now,

that maybe she believes
Epstein was murdered.

-She felt, I think,
that her Teflon Don

essentially would get away again,

that he would sneak away
and he would somehow cut a deal

and not have any concerns.

-My only conclusion was that,
"Wow, she has to be afraid

because she's, like, the next
in line of succession.

It's all sort of shifted
to her."

-Maxwell had to disappear
after Epstein died,

not just because Epstein died,

but because the Virginia Giuffre
defamation case documents

had been released
and now it was public.

And that's when
this whole scheme

started to come unraveled.

It's talking about
unbelievably sordid

and large-scale sex trafficking.

And her name was now
associated with it.

It also put front and center
Prince Andrew, again.

-Virginia Roberts says
she met you in 2001,

and she went on to have sex
with you in a house

in Belgravia belonging
to Ghislaine Maxwell.

-Didn't happen.

-She was very specific
about that night.

She described dancing
with you...

-No.
-...and you profusely sweating,

and that she went on to have...

-There's a slight problem
with the sweating,

because I-I have a peculiar
medical condition

which is that I don't sweat

or I didn't sweat at the time
and that was...

Actually, yes, I didn't sweat
at the time because I...

-He gives
this atrocious interview

where he falls on his face

and embarrasses himself,
embarrasses the crown.

-Are you saying
that you don't believe her?

She's lying?

-That's a very difficult thing
to, um, answer because...

-The BBC interview, yeah,
that was a real mistake.

-Do you regret the whole
friendship with Epstein?

Now? Still not.

-The entire country watched it,

literally with our jaws
on the floor.

-Do I regret the fact

that -- that he has quite
obviously conducted himself

in a manner unbecoming?
Yes.

-Unbecoming?
He was a sex offender.

-Yes. I'm sorry.
I'm being polite.

He was a sex offender.

-I think it would have
probably been wiser

to have just not said anything.

-But I-I --

-Yeah.

-But remember that it was
his girlfriend

that was the key element
in this.

-It just so happened
that Ghislaine

was very good friends
with Prince Andrew,

but as far as Virginia,
I have no idea what happened.

-The world has now seen
the photo

that Virginia Roberts provided,
taken by Epstein,

we understand,
in Ghislaine Maxwell's house.

-I don't remember that
photograph ever being taken.

-Your arm was around her waist.
-Yes.

-You've seen the photograph?
-I've seen the photograph.

-How do you explain that?
-I can't.

The -- the photograph
is taken upstairs.

And I don't think
I ever went upstairs.

-You're sure of that?

-Yeah, because the --
because the dining room

and everything was on --
was on the ground floor.

-Prince Andrew's fall from grace

is the most seismic thing
to rock the house of Windsor

in the last century,
I would say.

And it was Ghislaine

who introduced
Prince Andrew to Epstein.

-His girlfriend, Ghislaine
Maxwell, your old friend,

was, victims say,
complicit in his behavior.

-Um...if there are questions
that Ghislaine has to answer,

that's her problem.

I'm afraid I'm not in a position

to be able to comment
one way or the other.

-Her relationship
with Prince Andrew

has always fascinated
and intrigued me.

If she has concrete proof of
Prince Andrew's sexual activity

with underage girls,

it could spark a devastating
litigation for Prince Andrew.

-Prince Andrew
should be panicking.

The rich and the mighty
can fall, too.

-There's no question in my mind
that powerful people,

such as Prince Andrew,
are nervous about what evidence

Ghislaine Maxwell
could potentially produce.

More so than anybody else,

certainly Prince Andrew
is an individual

that Ghislaine has his number.

-The mystery is growing
on the whereabouts

of the British socialite

who allegedly helped Epstein
recruit young girls.

-Where in the world
is Ghislaine Maxwell?

-She has tremendous resources
and access all over the world.

-Once Jeffrey was dead,
Ghislaine Maxwell disappears.

She disappears off all radar.

-Reporters all over the country
tried to find her.

That added to a little bit
of her mystique.

-Where is Ghislaine Maxwell?

-Nobody knows
where Maxwell is.

-When I was asked,
"Would they ever find her?"

I joked, I was like,

"She's probably
in a submarine somewhere."

-The world's media
has not found this woman yet.

I suppose she's just disappeared
off the face of the Earth.

And she's key to all of this.

-If you're Ghislaine Maxwell,

I think her reaction
was a logical one.

"Oh, my God, he's dead?
I have to protect myself."

-You know, evidence hasn't
really emerged of, like,

what exactly
did the NYPD pick up

when they raided his house?

Was there blackmail tapes there?

If it's bona fide stuff, it's
possible fortunes would be lost.

It would be really disastrous.

-I think Jeffrey Epstein
was a sexual deviant

going after young girls

and if a couple of powerful men
got caught up in the snare,

well, jackpot.

-When you walked
into the New York mansion,

to Palm Beach,
everything was being filmed.

The government officials,
the politicians, the royalty,

you know,
they were taping everybody.

-Do you think people knew
they were being taped?

-No.
-No.

-I do not, not at all.

-Maybe Ghislaine Maxwell knows

where all those photographs
and tapes and videos are.

-So the $64,000 question here
is, "Where are the tapes?"

-If they contain
what we think they do,

to say
that they would be explosive

would be the understatement
of the day.

-The dominant
Epstein conspiracy theory

is that he was videotaping

all these high-profile
people as blackmail,

and the other side
of that theory is maybe

he was doing this on behalf of
the CIA or intelligence agency.

He got recruited
to spy for them.

That's sort of the theory
that ties it all together,

in terms of the videotaping

and mysterious sort of
high-profile connections,

in terms of
his ridiculous treatment

by law enforcement
in Palm Beach.

And it does a pretty neat
and tidy job.

-Those videos could be
used as blackmail,

as compromising material
on foreign dignitaries,

on people in power.

I have no doubt someone
would have been interested

in that kind of information.

-I obviously have no idea
what transpired

with Epstein's
video-surveillance cameras,

but on Maxwell's side,

there's her father,
Robert Maxwell,

who's for sure involved
with intelligence,

probably both KGB and Mossad.

-The Mossad --
the Israeli Intelligence Agency.

-Will he ask the Prime Minister
to order an immediate inquiry

into the alleged relationship

between the Israeli Intelligence
Service and Robert Maxwell?

-The allegations about Maxwell's
first connections with Israel

were first made in a book
by Seymour Hersh.

-The man had an awful
lot of information

about an awful lot of things
and did an awful lot

that we don't know
very much about.

-One of the main sources
of that book, Ari Ben-Menashe,

a former Israeli
Intelligence Officer,

claimed that Maxwell
had played a major role

in smuggling arms for Israel.

-Robert Maxwell was working
for Israeli intelligence.

He was an operative for -- for,
uh, quite a long, long time.

He was a senior operative,
as a matter of fact.

I was working with him.

I was sort of supervising
what he was doing for us.

-One of the things that
I learned early on at the CIA,

and this is certainly consistent

in other intelligence,
uh, organizations,

is that they're often
multi-generational.

You want people
in the same family

because they know
that you're loyal.

Let's just say,
for the sake of argument,

that this was the Israelis
that were involved

and Ghislaine Maxwell's father

already had a relationship
with the Israeli services.

Ghislaine was important
and well-connected

and working at a higher level
of society

than most anybody else.

So I don't think
it's at all a leap in logic

to think she's continuing
to do daddy's work.

-Epstein started working with
Israeli Intelligence as well,

selling or giving
or collecting secrets,

however you want to put it, yes.

That's right.

They were, uh, collecting
secrets for the Israelis.

-It would be impossible for me
to know the details

of any sort of,
like, government conspiracy,

but there's enough there
that I don't think --

I think something is going on.

-This is such a bigger animal
than anyone knows

and Ghislaine Maxwell
has the answers.

Until she talks,
we may never know.

-We've been discretely keeping
tabs on Maxwell's whereabouts

as we work this investigation.

And more recently, we learned
she had slithered away

to a gorgeous property
in New Hampshire,

continuing to live
a life of privilege,

while her victims
live with the trauma

inflicted upon them years ago.

-On July 2, 2020, Ghislaine's
days of hiding are about to end.

-The FBI took Maxwell
into custody

at this home in New Hampshire.

-Maxwell had been carefully
attempting to avoid detection

using a fake name
for mail and deliveries.

-Ghislaine Maxwell bought
a house in Bradford,

New Hampshire, where the Feds
make a dramatic arrest.

-FBI agents broke
through her door

as she tried to
"flee to another room."

-Inside the home, agents say
they found a cell phone

wrapped in tin foil
on top of the desk,

"a seemingly misguided effort
to evade detection."

-In the case
of Ghislaine Maxwell's arrest,

I don't think that 25 officers
going in was over the top.

This was an individual that
needed to be treated that way.

-When you capture someone
like Ghislaine Maxwell,

I don't besmirch
the U.S. government

from taking a victory lap.

To be able to come back
one year later

and say, "We've got
the co-conspirator,"

they wanted a little good press,
as well they should.

Take her down and embarrass
the hell out of her.

That's what she deserves.

-It later turned out
that she was living there

with Scott Borgerson.

-I never knew that Scott
had any relationship

with Ghislaine Maxwell.

And I was like, "Wait, what?"

-Today, after many years,
Ghislaine Maxwell

finally stands charged
for her role in these crimes.

-This afternoon, a federal
magistrate in New Hampshire

ordered Maxwell into the custody

of the U.S. marshal service
to be taken to New York.

-Maxwell is charged
with six federal counts

of sex trafficking, conspiracy
to sex trafficking, and perjury.

Usually you hear about
this kind of sex trafficking

involving men,

but according to
the girls' allegations,

she played the role
of solicitor and groomer.

-By charging her with multiple
different counts,

it gives the U.S.
Attorney's Office the ability

to put all of the evidence
out there

and let the jury pick
and choose

from which they wanted
to convict her of.

-Ghislaine Maxwell, today,

pleaded not guilty
to sex-trafficking charges.

-Wealthy and powerful people
feel that they are immune

to prosecution
and part of the thrill

is the excitement
of getting away with stuff

that other people
just simply cannot

because you're just so convinced
of how fantastically bright

and connected
and powerful you are.

But that dazzling charm
and wit that captivated me

and so many people

is unlikely to be of much use
to her in a federal prison.

-Maxwell's jail -- It's been
described as a hellhole by some.

How would you describe it?

-It is a tough place.

-MDC Brooklyn is a notoriously
terrible prison,

and it's a holding facility.

It's a very, very difficult life
in there.

It's a place that has repeatedly
come up in the courts

because of the cruel treatment
that takes place there.

-Maybe Ghislaine's in prison,

but we haven't seen
any proof of that.

Forgive me after this giant
"conspiracy theory" I've lived,

that I don't believe anything.

So, mm, I want proof.
I'd like to see her.

I mean, she may very well be
in Trump Tower.

-At the bail hearing on
July 14, 2020, Marcus Cohen,

one of Maxwell's attorneys,
told the court at one point,

"She's not the monster
that's been portrayed

by the media
and the government."

"Ghislaine Maxwell
is not Jeffery Epstein."

Her lawyers asked the judge
to release Maxwell

into home confinement
on a $5 million bond.

-Then, in December 2020,

Scott Borgerson offers to pay
$28.5 million in bail

to get Ghislaine Maxwell out
of jail in time for Christmas.

-Regardless of any amount
of bail,

whether it's $30 million,
$10 million, $100 million,

if the person is appearing
to pay their way

to get out of jail

so that they can flee
and avoid prosecution,

the judge denies
that type of bail.

-"The risks are simply
too great."

The words of the judge
refusing bail this evening

to Ghislaine Maxwell.

She'll spend the next year
in jail.

-And because she's viewed
as a suicide risk,

the lights are kept on
24 hours a day.

-The game plan
on Ghislaine Maxwell,

for the government,
is keeping her alive.

That's why she
is under 24/7 watch.

They can't have
another Jeffery Epstein.

They can't have another person
hanging from a noose

in a jail cell.

Now, what is her game?

Her game is somehow
seeing light,

somehow getting through this.

-If she ultimately cracks
under the pressure

and decides that she's going
to give up information,

there are going to be a lot
of people around the globe

in very powerful positions
that are gonna be very concerned

about what she knows
and what she's gonna say.

-Of course, she's in danger.
Look what happened to Jeffrey.

I think she's obviously
a huge target

because she knows way too much

on a lot of government,
heads of state.

-If, in fact, there were
forces behind Epstein's death,

she has got to be concerned
that the same fate

may befall her
at the end of the day.

-Suspected child sex offender
Ghislaine Maxwell

is withering as she sits in jail
awaiting trial.

Her lawyer made that statement
as part of a new bid

to relax the conditions
of Maxwell's detention.

Her lawyer says Maxwell
is suffering emotional abuse.

-Ghislaine Maxwell's trial
is set for 2021.

-She's lost 20 pounds,
she's losing her hair,

she can't concentrate, she has
a flashlight shone in her cell

every 15 minutes
during the night

so she has no, uh, sleep,
uh, of any real quality.

That is torture.

Why is Ghislaine Maxwell
being treated differently?

She is a patsy for Epstein,
is the answer,

whom they lost on their watch

and they're taking it out
on my sister.

-Friends of mine, who were very,
very, very close to Ghislaine,

wanted to impart to me

that they felt
she was a victim in this,

that Ghislaine had
maybe been naive.

She was in love with this guy.

She had no idea how deeply
depraved he was,

and Ghislaine was as much
a victim of this as the girls.

-I just can't handle the fact
that this woman

is pretending she's a victim.

I can't handle the fact that
all these people come forward

and pretend to be victims
when the victims were children

and young girls,
young, vulnerable women.

-I absolutely believe
that the defense will claim

that Ghislaine Maxwell,
uh, was a victim.

She was under the influence

of this very powerful,
very wealthy man.

He had a hold
over her psychologically.

And that he abused her as much
as he abused those girls.

-I have no doubt that
they're gonna try to use

the non-prosecution agreement
to defend Maxwell.

But the non-prosecution
agreement covered the charges

and women in Palm Beach.

The charges
that have been brought

in the Southern District
of New York

are separate and distinct.

-There are accusations
these young women are making

that they were paid
to also be with some big names.

Could she help to bring
those names down

for a more lenient sentence?

-That is
the million-dollar question.

-If I was the lawyer,
my defense would be cooperation,

so that I can get a reduced
sentence and have assurity

that I would be able to live
some of my life outside of jail.

-10 years as opposed to 35
certainly allows her

to see light
at the end of the tunnel.

I think it's possible

that Ghislaine
is gonna give up something.

-If it goes to trial, the tapes
are gonna have to come out.

And I-I think that
too many important people

don't want that to happen.

So, I think
the Justice Department

will offer Ghislaine Maxwell

something that
she can live with.

It won't be 30 years.
Maybe it'll be 10 years...

or 15 years,
which is hellacious,

but it won't be
in a maximum-security prison.

She's a woman,

and she'll go to
a low-security prison.

-I suppose when you really think
about it with hindsight,

is there any huge surprise

that Ghislaine
has ended up where she is?

The brutal answer
would have to be no.

Because the society girl
that I knew at Oxford,

who, as I say,
never exuded any warmth,

who had this cold, calculating,
rather brittle manner,

she had these strange traits
of character

which we all know
came from Robert Maxwell.

-How are you both?

Just give him the message,
please,

and stop giving us
a hard time.

-I think one of the reasons

that Ghislaine Maxwell
is such a compelling character

is that she's both a victim
and a possible conspirator.

And so you can never let her
off the hook.

-Have you spoken
to Prince Andrew?

-I made a statement,
thank you.

-But you also have to bear in
mind the history of that family.

You know, having that man
as a father.

I don't think any of the kids

have ever
fully escaped his shadow.

So she's a complex person
for that reason.

-I'm just really interested
to hear what her version is.

There's always two sides
to a story.

You know, really,
how bad was it?

-She's never shown any remorse.

-I think it's disgraceful,

and these people
are gonna burn in hell.

-I like to hope
that we'll see justice

in the case
against Ghislaine Maxwell.

When you look at the victims
of cases like this,

these lives are ruined.

-I think this is a story about
money and how money works.

And I think this is how
rich people get treated

in legal systems
around the world.

-These are the wealthiest people
in the world,

and they have the most power.

There's only one way they don't
get away with everything,

and that's if they're killed.

So, um, either she gets away
with everything

or she gets killed.

-And I think
that's been the pattern.

The victims are told,
"Oh, now the truth

is gonna come out,
because now, um, you know,

Epstein is gonna be prosecuted
in federal court."

And, of course, we know
how that ended.

-It would have been great
to look at him in court and say,

"You know, you hurt me.

You took away my innocence.
You took away my youth."

But he took that away
from us, too.

-I want answers

because I think we all
deserve that.

And I think the girls
deserve that.

-I would like to see Ghislaine
stay in jail forever.

I'd like her to apologize
for what she's done to me

and so many others.

-It's so hard for people
who haven't experienced

these really, really powerful
people to understand

that we anticipate
disappointment.

We anticipate being hurt.

We anticipate being manipulated.

We anticipate being lied to.

I haven't seen anyone
held accountable.