All language subtitles for Visions.of.Light.1992.BFI.720p.DVDRip.x265.HEVC.AC3 eng

af Afrikaans
ak Akan
sq Albanian
am Amharic
ar Arabic
hy Armenian
az Azerbaijani
eu Basque
be Belarusian
bem Bemba
bn Bengali
bh Bihari
bs Bosnian
br Breton
bg Bulgarian
km Cambodian
ca Catalan
ceb Cebuano
chr Cherokee
ny Chichewa
zh-CN Chinese (Simplified)
zh-TW Chinese (Traditional)
co Corsican
hr Croatian
cs Czech
da Danish
nl Dutch
en English
eo Esperanto
et Estonian
ee Ewe
fo Faroese
tl Filipino
fi Finnish
fr French
fy Frisian
gaa Ga
gl Galician
ka Georgian
de German
el Greek
gn Guarani
gu Gujarati
ht Haitian Creole
ha Hausa
haw Hawaiian
iw Hebrew
hi Hindi
hmn Hmong
hu Hungarian
is Icelandic
ig Igbo
id Indonesian
ia Interlingua
ga Irish
it Italian
ja Japanese
jw Javanese
kn Kannada
kk Kazakh
rw Kinyarwanda
rn Kirundi
kg Kongo
ko Korean
kri Krio (Sierra Leone)
ku Kurdish
ckb Kurdish (Soranî)
ky Kyrgyz
lo Laothian
la Latin
lv Latvian
ln Lingala
lt Lithuanian
loz Lozi
lg Luganda
ach Luo
lb Luxembourgish
mk Macedonian
mg Malagasy
ms Malay
ml Malayalam
mt Maltese
mi Maori
mr Marathi
mfe Mauritian Creole
mo Moldavian
mn Mongolian
my Myanmar (Burmese)
sr-ME Montenegrin
ne Nepali
pcm Nigerian Pidgin
nso Northern Sotho
no Norwegian
nn Norwegian (Nynorsk)
oc Occitan
or Oriya
om Oromo
ps Pashto
fa Persian
pl Polish
pt-BR Portuguese (Brazil)
pt Portuguese (Portugal)
pa Punjabi
qu Quechua
ro Romanian Download
rm Romansh
nyn Runyakitara
ru Russian
sm Samoan
gd Scots Gaelic
sr Serbian
sh Serbo-Croatian
st Sesotho
tn Setswana
crs Seychellois Creole
sn Shona
sd Sindhi
si Sinhalese
sk Slovak
sl Slovenian
so Somali
es Spanish
es-419 Spanish (Latin American)
su Sundanese
sw Swahili
sv Swedish
tg Tajik
ta Tamil
tt Tatar
te Telugu
th Thai
ti Tigrinya
to Tonga
lua Tshiluba
tum Tumbuka
tr Turkish
tk Turkmen
tw Twi
ug Uighur
uk Ukrainian
ur Urdu
uz Uzbek
vi Vietnamese
cy Welsh
wo Wolof
xh Xhosa
yi Yiddish
yo Yoruba
zu Zulu
Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:39,150 One night I was watching the 1947 version of Oliver Twist, 2 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,670 David Lean's Oliver Twist, photographed by Guy Green 3 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,474 We were watching the movie, watching the opening scenes of the film, 4 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:54,878 of Oliver's mother in labour walking across this dark moor 5 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,549 and my uncle just happened to say, "God, this photography is gorgeous." 6 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,431 And I said, "Photography?" 7 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,870 That's when I learned what a director of photography was 8 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,673 I found out that I was unconsciously... 9 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,119 I was responding to light 10 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,111 In the beginning, all there was was a guy with a camera 11 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,230 There were no directors. There was nothing 12 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,829 There was a guy on the camera and he would shoot these subjects 13 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,795 The subject may be 20 seconds long of a train coming at you, wherever it is 14 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,149 Then actors were brought in 15 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,476 and because the cameramen were basically photographers, 16 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,829 and weren't that facile with performers, 17 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,111 usually one of the performers directed the performers 18 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,153 So, right in the very beginning, you saw that there was the division of duties 19 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,078 There was the director who took care of the acting part, 20 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,590 and there was the cameraman who took care of everything else 21 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,077 The cinematographer's job is to tell people where to look, 22 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,955 to say, "Look at this. She's going to weep and sing the aria," or, "He's going to draw the gun." 23 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,152 Or, you know, "He feels OK, but behind him is an ape. You'd better look at the ape!" 24 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,589 We do some things we don't realise we're doing 25 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:14,837 until we see the film put together 26 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,111 We did them out of instinct. We didn't know exactly why 27 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,037 And they work for the picture 28 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,753 And it's very hard to express a reason for it 29 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,995 but it's there 30 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,235 The great cinematographers are able to 31 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,078 understand the stories they are trying to tell 32 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,829 and find those elusive visual images 33 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,235 that help to tell that story 34 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,519 A great DP adds to the material that already exists, 35 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:47,714 and really works to understand the subject matter 36 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,752 and the language of the director they're working with 37 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,438 I think visually 38 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,313 I think of how, if you turned off the soundtrack, 39 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,388 anybody would stick around and figure out what was going on 40 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,035 There's just every technique, visually 41 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,311 There's a language far more complex than words 42 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:22,636 I enjoy going onto a stage that's totally black, striking a first light, and saying, "Here we go." 43 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,272 That really turns me on, personally 44 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:30,278 I wanted to copy... 45 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,873 ...simulate what I saw on the screen by the giants and masters 46 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:40,074 To this day, I still have a reverence of Charlie Lang, Stanley Cortez... 47 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,793 ...and Ted McCord, and Arthur Miller... 48 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,633 ...and Hal Moore, and Leon Shamroy, 49 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,035 Milton Krasner and all those people 50 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,719 I wanted to be like them 51 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,751 I wanted to do what they did 52 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,514 What you had to have in the black-and-white days, 53 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,313 you had to have a real grasp of what photography meant 54 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,830 Those were the real cinematographers. These people knew photography 55 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,631 The more I've learned, and shot films, 56 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,956 when I go back and look what was done in the teens and the '20s... 57 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,150 Some years ago, I had the very good fortune 58 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,113 to see an original negative print of Birth of a Nation, shot by Billy Bitzer, 59 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,435 who was with Griffith on all of his early films 60 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,393 It was an inspiration to realise what was achieved in that cinematography 61 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,069 We're talking pretty close to the beginning of everything here 62 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,271 and to realise what he accomplished with the equipment he had 63 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,199 and how quickly so many things became much more sophisticated 64 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,158 The '20s was really a golden age for cinema 65 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,715 because the camera was unencumbered by sound 66 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,389 And it was unencumbered by all the... 67 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:03,389 devices that accompany verbal dialogue storytelling 68 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,591 It really was a visual medium 69 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,351 The early movies seemed to be freer 70 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,038 I mean, 71 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,230 you see like scenes like in Way Down East, 72 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:21,952 when Lillian Gish is jumping 73 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,831 from a piece of ice to another one, 74 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,552 it's almost a documentary 75 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,238 She actually is doing it 76 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:30,158 and there is no tricks and no studio 77 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,717 The camera was very free 78 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,194 The camera could move very fast 79 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,878 Cameras were much smaller 80 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,356 and the fact that they didn't have sound 81 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,039 allowed them to shoot very freely 82 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,038 The camera could be anywhere 83 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,554 JOHN BAILEY: And the Germans, in the '20s, 84 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,397 were really the cutting edge 85 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,079 Directors like Pabst and Murnau 86 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,556 really took a lot of the formal elements 87 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,797 that came out of German expressionist sculpture 88 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:12,512 and painting and graphics 89 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,438 and grafted them into film 90 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,756 A lot of European film-makers - directors like Murnau - 91 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,631 came to the United States 92 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,958 The production of Sunrise was a real watershed for American film-making 93 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,834 And that film was startling in every aspect 94 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,552 In its design aspect 95 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,195 Certainly in its use of expressionistic lighting techniques 96 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,754 Character was revealed in Sunrise 97 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,713 through a lot of very complicated lighting changes 98 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,830 and dramatic lighting sources 99 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,793 that were very, very new and fresh in the American films 100 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,233 They had crane shots that went for ever and ever and ever 101 00:06:58,280 --> 00:07:00,350 And they had these kind of rigs, 102 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,119 that would be rigged overhead in the studios 103 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,072 This was all very inventive business that they did 104 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,715 They had a fluid camera that would just continue on and on and on 105 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,150 Where we have steadicams and things like that, and Panaglides, 106 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,111 they were doing that some time ago 107 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:16,832 We're talking 1927 108 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,592 Everything had to be told visually 109 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,313 and I think when sound came in, 110 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,432 that was a great catastrophe for movie-making 111 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,315 I still believe that if sound would have come in ten or 15 years later, 112 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:52,198 I think the art of movies and cinematography would have been much, much higher 113 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,992 than even it is today 114 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,397 We've all seen those sequences from early sound films 115 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,274 where it's all too obvious that there's a microphone 116 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,675 planted in a flower vase at the centre of the table, 117 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,712 cos all the actors are leaning forward, speaking into it 118 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,591 But I really shouldn't blame you 119 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,517 I'm the son of your employer 120 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,599 and that in itself makes me a low, low scoundrel 121 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,915 If I didn't trust you, I wouldn't be here 122 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,439 So, here we are 123 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,232 Chopped onions? 124 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,636 JOHN BAILEY: The camera can't move at all, it can't even pan or tilt, 125 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:29,595 because it's in a huge, soundproof refrigerator or ice box 126 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,997 and it took a number of years for cinematographers 127 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,669 to start thinking about ways to free the camera again 128 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,994 If a director, as Rouben Mamoulian did, 129 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,555 cared enough to fight for his mobile camera 130 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,319 and the whole idea that you could do a sound film, 131 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,954 where you didn't record sound for every shot 132 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,117 or perhaps you would add the sound later 133 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,557 I think you see with Mamoulian, with Lubitsch, 134 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,272 you see some early talkies... 135 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:11,958 You see it with Vidor 136 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,117 I mean, these people refused to be bound to the conventional 137 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,594 Good work was being done. It was more difficult 138 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,278 Mommy! 139 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:21,639 All right, boys 140 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:24,035 Now, when you come through there... 141 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,435 Once, of course, the camera could be blimped 142 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,789 in some kind of a portable device, soundproofed, 143 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,072 it could then be put on a dolly and the camera could be moved again 144 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,432 Of course, it energises and infuses the whole feel of a film 145 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,711 to have a camera that can move with actors, 146 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,432 can move counter to actors 147 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:43,833 Are you giving me the run-around? 148 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,559 The '30s brought in the full flowering of the studio system 149 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,637 And the leading cinematographers helped create 150 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:05,116 what was considered to be a studio look 151 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,355 There was the gloss of Paramount, 152 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,710 the harder-edged look that Warner Brothers was noted for, 153 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:14,114 and the glamour that we associate with MGM 154 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,830 In the heavy studio times, 155 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,919 through the '30s, through the '50s, 156 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,030 every studio had its own laboratory 157 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:40,359 and every studio was trying to make what they did distinctive and different 158 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,996 And it depended very much on the group of contract cameramen 159 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:50,433 and art directors and directors, how they ran their operation 160 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,152 Quiet, everybody! 161 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,438 They learned together and they developed this technique 162 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,391 and they invented the equipment 163 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,319 Everything you see on a movie camera was invented by some cameraman 164 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,191 because he needed to do something 165 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,708 and he didn't know how to do it 166 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,435 and so they had these machine shops and they would just fabricate this stuff 167 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,029 It was a system where people really followed up through the system 168 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,310 You were an assistant. You worked your way up 169 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,670 You followed in the footsteps of the person that you were working under 170 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:27,193 And so it tended to create a stronger impression of, you know, a particular style, 171 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,231 that we think of as being Hollywood 172 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,359 It was no joke. You finished on a Saturday night, 173 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,994 and Monday morning you started a different picture 174 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,715 Sometimes with Sunday to read the script. They kept you working 175 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,196 You were paid a very good salary, but you didn't get to goof off 176 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:52,234 and it was only on the very biggest pictures where you might have a long period of testing 177 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,438 So, these people were tested every day as they worked, 178 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,550 and had to be able to handle different things 179 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,036 I'm sure they were assigned to their strengths 180 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:09,752 by studios sometimes, 181 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,438 but sometimes they weren't 182 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,268 I think the system had its good points and its bad points for cinematographers, 183 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,992 as it did for everyone 184 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,678 I think that today we look back 185 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,711 and sometimes there's a nostalgia 186 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,149 After years of berating the studio system, 187 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,317 now we sort of say, "Gee, but they made so many pictures, 188 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,351 and you had so many opportunities." 189 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,398 Have a drink? 190 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,398 JOHN BAILEY: The dominance of the actor and the actress 191 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,035 as the driving engine of the Hollywood movies 192 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,675 dictated a certain kind of vocabulary 193 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,077 that, basically, were medium shots, close-ups, over-the-shoulders 194 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:14,478 and the principle was to make the actors, especially the leading actor and actress, 195 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,957 look as handsome and as beautiful as possible 196 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,549 When you photographed a star well, 197 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,479 they had enough power to be able to put you under contract 198 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:32,508 Or, at least, to insist that that cinematographer would photograph them 199 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,508 Louis B Meyer was a very smart man 200 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:40,755 He'd call the cameramen in and he'd say, 201 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,155 "I don't care what the star goes through, 202 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,995 flood, fire, I don't care, she's got to look beautiful." 203 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:51,871 This is the first thing you learn, 204 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,435 because this is actually a cameraman's bread and butter 205 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,072 They used to tell the cameraman, 206 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,669 "Put your shadows anywhere, but don't put any shadows on their faces." 207 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,199 They wanted to see their faces 208 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:03,719 and that was the rule 209 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,314 Most of the photography out there had that look 210 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,710 Women stars particularly, at that time, were very important 211 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,955 and they wanted their own photographers 212 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,232 Garbo wouldn't have anybody but Bill Daniels do her pictures 213 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:30,157 After all, when one may not have long to live, why shouldn't one have fancies? 214 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,272 Here's a man who'd been very much a rebel film-maker, 215 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,198 who later on went on to make his own reputation 216 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,470 as the studio cameraman par excellence 217 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,351 I was sad, when Garbo died, 218 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,598 that not many papers mentioned Bill Daniels' name 219 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:50,919 Because this is a man that created with her her whole screen persona 220 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,958 If you noticed, 221 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,470 the beautiful jobs that were done on Marlene Dietrich 222 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,715 Where she would be maybe... 223 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:10,311 If you light a set at 100 foot-candles, she would be at 110, 115 foot-candles 224 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,989 She would have just a little bit more light on her than anybody else 225 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,110 so she would pop out amongst the crowd 226 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,073 It sounds funny, but I don't seem to be able to entertain you 227 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,119 I hate to be entertained. Please don't do it 228 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,310 I shot her on a picture called Desire 229 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,592 and I found out that her face needs a completely different kind of lighting 230 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,679 A high key light that would narrow her cheeks down 231 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,358 And just made her look well 232 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,789 Sternberg, I think, found that out 233 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,719 In fact, she almost insisted. She'd say, "That's the light I'd like to use up there." 234 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,557 Won't you please get out of here? 235 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,751 Now, is that a nice way to talk to the man whose name you bear? 236 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,836 All right, I took your name. So what? 237 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,952 Claudette Colbert, yes, she had to be lit on one side 238 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,638 You probably know that 239 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,559 We even built the set so that she would always be on one side of her face 240 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,990 She really did have problems with the other side of her face 241 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:11,917 So, once in a while, I'd get a man star 242 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,635 Strange, though, when both of them had to be lit on one side 243 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,398 Now you had problems! 244 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:28,356 It was the studio look that was pre-eminent rather than individual cinematographers 245 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,436 But there were coming out of that, 246 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,311 you know, really stellar people... 247 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,237 like George Folsey, 248 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:36,918 like Gregg Toland, 249 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,632 like Arthur Miller, 250 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,399 ...who had such strength, 251 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,908 and such individual voice, 252 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,238 that they kind oftranscended whatever studio they happened to work for 253 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:53,752 Today, you look back and very easily recognise a lot of their films from the look, 254 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,313 irrespective of director even 255 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:59,632 Do you wish anything, madam? 256 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,955 I didn't expect to see you, Mrs Danvers 257 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,798 I noticed that a window wasn't closed... 258 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:17,039 George Barnes, I admired his work, too. He did romantic work, wonderfully imaginative 259 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:18,718 and just great-looking 260 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,872 It's a lovely room, isn't it? 261 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,956 The loveliest room you've ever seen 262 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,514 Everything is kept just as Mrs de Winter liked it 263 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,915 Nothing has been altered since that last night 264 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,316 Gregg Toland learned his craft through George Barnes 265 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:39,069 I think he was with him for many, many pictures 266 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:43,954 And then Gregg broke away doing his own and did wonderful work 267 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:50,236 SVEN NYKVIST: The one I really was inspired on was Gregg Toland 268 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,272 I saw all his films and I remember the first one, 269 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,995 that was The Long Voyage Home 270 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,830 It was fantastic 271 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,350 He worked with a depth of field the whole time 272 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,914 and lighting was so interesting 273 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:20,715 because he dared to take a lot of contrast in the pictures 274 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,313 And perhaps it was a little too much sometimes, 275 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:29,670 but for a cinematographer, it was fantastic 276 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,398 Let's take him aboard! 277 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,112 On your feet! 278 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,119 JOHN BAILEY: He did a film for John Ford, The Grapes of Wrath, 279 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,709 which had a very naturalistic feel, 280 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,955 almost a documentary reality 281 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,356 You can take frames from The Grapes of Wrath 282 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,517 and put 'em alongside the WPA photographs 283 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,314 of Walker Evans or Dorothea Lange or Doris Ulmann or anybody, 284 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:03,477 and it's really hard to tell the difference 285 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,631 He did seem to have an eye for things 286 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,631 and also he was very creative 287 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,272 For instance, 288 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:39,838 we much later started doing filming with candlelight, for instance, or a match 289 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,269 and he already did it in The Grapes of Wrath 290 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,993 He didn't have the technology we have today 291 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,678 Film was not as fast as it was 292 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,837 But already you get the idea that, actually, the light, 293 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,077 when he's describing that empty house, 294 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:54,997 comes from the hand and the match 295 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,392 Toland was a gambler 296 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,078 He was a real gambler 297 00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:05,997 He wasn't afraid to try anything 298 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,554 I remember when they were doing Citizen Kane 299 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,037 I was working in the trick department at Selznick and they shot it at Selznick Studio 300 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,799 Is that really your idea of how to run a newspaper? 301 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,150 I don't know how to run a newspaper. I just try everything I can think of 302 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,273 He was working with Orson Welles who was also a gambler 303 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,794 The two of 'em made a wonderful pair on that picture 304 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,478 Wonderful pair 305 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,832 Wouldn't you love to have known what films that Welles and Toland screened together? 306 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:38,476 And what they enjoyed? Obviously Welles had seen Toland's work and been impressed with it 307 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,069 The idea that Toland understood all the rules he could break 308 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,559 No public man whom Kane himself... 309 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,549 ALLEN DAVIAU: The film opens up with a send-up of the March of Time newsreel 310 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,194 And, I mean, it is done with such loving detail 311 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:58,234 I mean, in terms of texures and contrasts and dupes and scratching film intentionally 312 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,635 What a wonderful time they had to have 313 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:05,470 sitting around there, thinking up all of the different things they were gonna do in that film 314 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,911 They must have had a very good trust for one another, 315 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,875 because a director has to kind of embrace their DP, to let them go 316 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,037 And what Toland contributed is so amazing to that film 317 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,718 The deep space 318 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,432 And the camera blocking 319 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:29,636 It takes a certain kind of director to want to put up with being that demanding on their actors 320 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,798 That's complete choreography of acting to camera 321 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,353 By having the deep focus, 322 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,631 he was able to give Orson a lot more leeway on how he moved his actors 323 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,079 It freed him up 324 00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:43,829 I think that was a tremendous contribution Gregg gave to the film 325 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,552 Be careful, Charles 326 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,511 Pull your muffler round your neck 327 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,551 I think we shall have to tell him now 328 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,238 We always have this problem 329 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,353 with cinematography not being able to carry somebody in the foreground 330 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,358 who's sharper in focus than somebody 20 feet back 331 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,757 Gregg had, for a number of years, been working on new lenses, faster lenses, 332 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,030 that would allow him to pour more light in 333 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,550 and get a greater depth in these scenes 334 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,670 And that's one of the things, I think, 335 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,553 that gave Citizen Kane the kind of dynamics that it had 336 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,229 Extraordinary dynamics compared to other films at the time 337 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,398 In 1948, it played in one of the... 338 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,318 most popular cinemas in Budapest 339 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:25,998 Exactly one week 340 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,508 And the government just pulled it right after that 341 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,393 The little screening room was packed 342 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,591 because we'd heard Citizen Kane is going to be screened 343 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:39,714 which was one of the major events, I think, at that time 344 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,877 That was the first time I'd seen Citizen Kane 345 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:49,790 and I just couldn't believe the magnitude and the magic of film-making 346 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,478 And after a while, 347 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,273 Citizen Kane was like a textbook for us 348 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,993 It's so sad they never got to collaborate again 349 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,352 And Welles' regard for him is expressed, very plainly, 350 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,359 in the end title card of the film, where Welles shared his title card with Toland 351 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:25,758 Film noir really had its high water mark right after the war 352 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,109 The visual style of film noir, I think, 353 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:33,280 has fingerprints going back very early in German Expressionist cinema 354 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,871 They had a sparseness 355 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,071 A visual and stylistic sparseness 356 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:45,759 What is the bare-bones story? 357 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,314 What are the bare-bones facts of the characters? 358 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:53,229 And what is the basic visual information we need to tell the story? 359 00:23:53,280 --> 00:24:00,038 And so, film noir developed an increasingly dense and rarefied visual vocabulary 360 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,436 that had to do with very strong single-source lighting, 361 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,268 slashes of light, dark shadows, low angles... 362 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,788 Extremely strong graphic elements 363 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,719 that had kind of a primal simplicity to them 364 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:40,112 We weren't expecting you, Mildred. Obviously 365 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:53,030 John Alton is really one of the pre-eminent film noir cinematographers 366 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,119 ALLEN DAVIAU: Alton and the people in film noir were not afraid of the dark 367 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:03,633 In fact, they were willing to sketch things just very, very, very slightly 368 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,719 to see how you could use dark, not as negative space, 369 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,354 but as the most important element in the scene 370 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,350 We all have been influenced by that 371 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,870 in terms of what's important are the lights you don't turn on 372 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,831 Go! 373 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,548 Alton did one picture particularly that I feel is very influential 374 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,114 called The Big Combo 375 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,914 which is a very simple, inelegant film, 376 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,758 that is somewhat brutal in a way, 377 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:47,079 but which incorporates these very sparse lighting elements and graphic elements 378 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:49,918 So that it is very much black and white 379 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,155 There's very little grey in that movie 380 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,235 You can take almost any sequence - and certainly the final sequence in The Big Combo, 381 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,592 which has as a single light source, a searchlight going around this dockside 382 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,677 It ends with a gunfight taking place against that 383 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,714 The final shot is a silhouette walking out into sort of a grey dawn 384 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,513 I mean, very stark imagery 385 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:37,553 You end up at the end of the noir period with a film like Touch of Evil by Orson Welles, 386 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,115 which was enormously baroque and complex in its style, 387 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,151 but was still, basically, a film noir 388 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,716 Told you I brought you up here for a reason 389 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,954 ALLEN DAVIAU: Welles had caused to be brought to Universal Studios 390 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,390 one of these Eclair Caméflex lightweight European cameras 391 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,433 He had a very enthusiastic young operator named Philip Lathrop 392 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,711 and Lathrop got very into hand-holding this 393 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,433 and working with Welles on these compositions 394 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,677 You see some of the scenes and realise how much hand-holding was done, 395 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,597 but it's extremely seamless 396 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,677 That film, in particular, was an inspiration to all of us 397 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,518 because it was a textbook of what you could do 398 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,109 It was shot on a small budget in a short time, mostly on locations, 399 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,071 and again you had, 400 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:38,638 almost simultaneous with the breakout in France of the New Wave, 401 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,514 you had Orson Welles doing a New Wave film in a Hollywood studio 402 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,948 I think it's continued to be an inspiration to a lot of film-makers 403 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,196 Colour processes were always being experimented with, 404 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,310 from the very beginning of cinema, 405 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:21,716 even before there was a de facto colour process 406 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,479 Film-makers occasionally hand-painted frame by frame 407 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,796 entire sequences or even entire films 408 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,469 Then later in the silent period, overall tinting for sequences, 409 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,913 like blue for night, amber for dawn, or whatever, was also practised 410 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,678 And then during the '30s, 411 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,117 Ray Rennahan photographed a film called Mystery of the Wax Museum 412 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,673 using a two-colour process, 413 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,555 which incorporated two strips of film running simultaneously through the camera 414 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,277 Ray Rennahan had been doing some gorgeous stuff with the two-colour process earlier, 415 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,312 but when the three-colour process arrived, 416 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:07,195 and they started to appreciate the fact that this was something quite sophisticated, 417 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,878 the interest in it grew 418 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,115 The process was recognised as startling 419 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,199 It was subtle and beautifully gradated in its tonality 420 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,597 Interest in it immediately grew and led to some of the really crowning achievements 421 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,837 of the late '30s and early '40s in colour cinematography 422 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,832 Another dance, and my reputation will be lost for ever 423 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,838 With enough courage, you can do without a reputation 424 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,996 Oh, you do talk scandalous! 425 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,836 When Gone With the Wind came in, 426 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,031 they started on what they called the new film, a fast film 427 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,231 But everything had to be lit with arcs 428 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,918 And with this amount of light, 429 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,313 it was very difficult working under those conditions 430 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,473 Victor Fleming, of course, used to be a cameraman 431 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,592 before he became a director 432 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,278 and he knew the camera 433 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,992 He knew the limitations 434 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,750 Now, the shot of the station 435 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,633 with all the dummies and the people dead, 436 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,834 we had to have a special crane that came up from Long Beach 437 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,519 It was a long pole that they used, a derrick, 438 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,835 and that was a difficult shot 439 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,111 But I thought that was one of the best shots in the picture 440 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,674 For the people who had done black and white, to go into colour, 441 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,350 it was not only a technical adaption, but it was a philosophical one 442 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,952 Having to learn to see in black and white is a very great discipline 443 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,116 And to suddenly, after years and years 444 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:17,029 of focusing all of your faculties into being able to previsualise 445 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,514 how a scene was going to appear in black and white, 446 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,393 and suddenly say, "Oh, well, here it is in colour..." 447 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,592 Black and white is a much more immediately abstract medium 448 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,110 It's removed from reality by its very nature 449 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,711 And you're more free to associate drama and tonality and so on 450 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,432 inside black and white, 451 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,678 and I think that's why many of them never wanted to leave it 452 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,076 Those of us who just missed our chance to do black and white, 453 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,749 I look forward to the day when I get to do a black and white picture 454 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,155 I have no doubt it's going to be difficult 455 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,909 and I think that for us, it's going to be going the other direction 456 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,112 Shame on you, Ruby, 457 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,277 mooning around the house after that mad dog of a man 458 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,356 Every one of the old-time DPs, 459 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,914 like Charlie Clarke and Leon Shamroy 460 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,794 and Arthur Miller and James Wong Howe, the people I met and knew, 461 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,469 they really thought of it as a job and they thought of it as a craft 462 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,918 And when you would talk to them about any kind of art kind of thing, 463 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:34,637 they would never kind of admit to it being art 464 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:40,357 They'd say, "Oh, yeah, we did this interesting effect in the picture or that interesting effect." 465 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,038 When you make a movie, 466 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,355 you've got to have a screenplay, a story 467 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,590 That story really dictates to what we are going to do 468 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,200 How to shoot it. How to photograph it 469 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,992 How to direct it, how to act it 470 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,192 Everyone is subservient to that 471 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,549 We can go one way or the other, 472 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,989 to get our own ideas in it 473 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,076 but not get our personality in it 474 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,590 Get these papers while they're hot! 475 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,596 - Latest paper here! - Come on, come on! 476 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,153 Keep your sweatshirt on 477 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,872 JAMES WONG HOWE: As a cameraman, I try to keep the mechanics out of it 478 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,434 Not to interfere with the scene 479 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:29,477 And I try... really try to find the most simple approach in lighting 480 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,679 I don't want my photography to get in the way of the story, of the acting 481 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,152 I'll remember you, honey 482 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,318 You're the one that got away 483 00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:10,959 I worked for James Wong Howe 484 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,958 on second unit camera on a picture called Picnic 485 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,594 I did a number of the game shots 486 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,108 and also the last shot of the film, 487 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,798 which was a helicopter shot 488 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,035 And at that time, 489 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,231 helicopters were not used for photography 490 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,875 The military, and the navy as a matter of fact, just had helicopters 491 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,718 One of the best moments of my life 492 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,832 was when the dailies came on, 493 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,678 which was about three days later 494 00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:42,438 It was Cinemascope at the time 495 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,153 And I was sitting next to Jimmy Howe 496 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,991 And my scene came up, 497 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,672 and it was quite spectacular, 498 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:54,713 particularly to an audience who had not seen helicopter shots before 499 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,558 And Jimmy Howe said, "Very good, very good." 500 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,238 And so, even now, when I shoot, 501 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,750 when I do a shot that I really like, 502 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:09,148 I say in my ear the way Jimmy Howe said to me, "Very good, very good." 503 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,592 No, leave room for the cake! 504 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,309 The anamorphic aspect ratio was extremely horizontal 505 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,998 and rectangular 506 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:24,353 And films up until that time had been composed in almost a square format 507 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,190 And now with this rather large and sometimes empty anamorphic space, 508 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:33,233 it became confusing what to do with the sides of the screen - 509 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,713 how much of it to use 510 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,150 And as you see more and more use of Panavision and Cinemascope 511 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,918 in the late '50s and early '60s, 512 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,598 you start to feel the breadth, 513 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,029 the width of the frame being exploited 514 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,389 in a very exciting way 515 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,716 So, really, when you get to films like Lawrence of Arabia, 516 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,150 you have the same kind of excitement and dynamic energy 517 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,156 inside this very wide frame, 518 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,476 that you had in the more square screen of the '40s 519 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,189 A lot of my generation had been very impressed with films from Europe 520 00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:15,310 We'd had an opportunity to see these 521 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,229 And our pioneers, Haskell Wexler and Conrad Hall and so on, 522 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,750 who were giving us examples of reacting to the European style 523 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,031 and later on, when you got Vilmos Zsigmond and Laszlo Kovacs 524 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,676 and people that were coming from the European tradition and shooting films here, 525 00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:34,109 we got an appreciation of a style 526 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,517 that was so different from that practised in the studios 527 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,075 I think the films of the French New Wave really influenced me the most 528 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,874 They captured a sense of the life, which was really wonderful, 529 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,196 by loosening up the camera and moving with it 530 00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:50,753 They would not think anything 531 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,473 about picking up the camera and running with it 532 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,317 It had almost a documentary feel... 533 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,871 ...and so that sort of quality about it would draw you into the film 534 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,876 in a way that, I think, 535 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,150 a more static camera would not 536 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,872 Which is not to say it's new, 537 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,879 because you go back and you look at Napoleon that Abel Gance made in 1926, 538 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,595 and it has every new idea you can conceive of, 539 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,278 even today, 540 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,959 with steadicams and everything else 541 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,072 He was swinging cameras from ropes 542 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,236 and inventing dollies and cranes 543 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,317 and doing all sorts of special effects in the camera 544 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:33,115 Cinematographers start studying new things in old things 545 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,798 to sort of invent a new way 546 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,511 I think that there was an evolution 547 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,634 and I think if a lot of these guys had been younger, 548 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,673 that they would have probably shown us a lot of very interesting stuff 549 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:49,358 I'll give a very good example 550 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,278 of what you're calling the "new style" in the '60s 551 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,958 It's Robert Surtees 552 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,672 I mean, he did... 553 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:58,836 What's the wedding picture with... 554 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,677 with Dustin Hoffman? 555 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:02,711 Elaine! 556 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,512 The Graduate 557 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,676 I remember reading all these reviews 558 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,951 They're going, "Fresh, innovative, exciting cinematography... 559 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,070 ...Blah, blah, blah!" 560 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,236 Photographed by a 65-year-old man! 561 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,589 Because you have new tools, 562 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,076 the kind of person who is a cinematographer 563 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,758 is always pushing 564 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,712 You always want to explore, to get yourself into trouble 565 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,830 and see how well you can fight your way out 566 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,232 I don't think that each cinematographer can work with each director 567 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,397 There is a kind of selection you do in where you're going 568 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,113 There is a kind of journey that you are doing by yourself 569 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:52,028 You suddenly discover that on the same direction you can meet other people 570 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,789 You can meet friends. They can do this journey 571 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,910 You can meet people that can be your guide 572 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,190 for a portion of this journey 573 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,630 I think Bernado was one of those, one of the most important 574 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,719 Before we started The Conformist, Bernado called me 575 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,076 We started to talk about The Conformist and he says, "Vittorio, 576 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,076 what we know about that period, 577 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,910 mainly we know that period, the late '30s, through cinema." 578 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,598 So probably we have to use 579 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,395 everything that's been given to cinema up to now, to that period, 580 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,149 and read from our point of view 581 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:48,268 We look at that moment at one of the great masters in the American film industry 582 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,039 From Bernardo's point of view, it was Orson Welles 583 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,832 From mine, it was Gregg Toland 584 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:13,238 Each cinematographer, they did everything before my time 585 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,919 so I am the sum of the whole experience 586 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:26,072 JOHN BAILEY: The Conformist is almost a compendium of all of cinema language 587 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,079 It incorporates almost all the design, 588 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,792 photographic, 589 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,671 editorial... 590 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:35,836 techniques that have been developed 591 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:41,273 And does so in a very coherent and clear way 592 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,872 The shift of so-called styles and techniques in cinematography, 593 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,229 that happened right around the period of... 594 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,589 Connie Hall, Haskell Wexler, 595 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,234 Vilmos Zsigmond, Laszlo Kovacs, myself, 596 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,918 Gordon Willis, 597 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,918 it came about because of the directors 598 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,599 You started having new directors 599 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,996 who didn't want to work in the studio system 600 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,554 They wanted to go shoot pictures on location 601 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:19,629 Everything was very exciting and very crazy in those days 602 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,796 because we had to make those films very fast 603 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,308 There was no time for it, there was no money for it 604 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,511 The difference was with Easy Rider, 605 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,552 that we were able to really prepare that production 606 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:38,358 We took a trip from Los Angeles to New Orleans and scouted a lot of places 607 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:45,517 And suddenly you're exposed to this incredible, incredible vast country, 608 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:52,955 which has such a wonderful transition from one area to another, 609 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,356 and the visual sequence was wonderful 610 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,554 And that's how I learned and got to know the country 611 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,998 And that's magical... 612 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,669 ...to really break down the country and all civilisation 613 00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:14,439 to these pictorial elements 614 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,190 We were into images a little differently than the old system 615 00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:21,310 The lighting was a little different 616 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,396 We would try things and specially... 617 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,715 I worked with Connie Hall for five years 618 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,389 I was his camera operator for five years and we did some great things, I think 619 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,630 I feel particularly involved in helping make mistakes acceptable 620 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,037 to studio heads and other people 621 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,877 And the audience even 622 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,592 By using them 623 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,278 By blatantly, 624 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,039 not by mistakes or anything, but by endeavour 625 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,556 If the light shone in the lens, and flared the lens, 626 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,353 that was considered a mistake 627 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,038 Somebody would report that 628 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,995 The operator would report, "The sun hit the lens, it flared the lens. Cut!" 629 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,792 There was never a fear 630 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,799 Conrad would use so little light that you'd barely see anything in a room 631 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,478 But you'd see it 632 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,192 There was nothing safe 633 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:13,037 Safe was never the word with him 634 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,358 Getting things too dark or not seeing eyes and things like that 635 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,109 CONRAD HALL: Background too hot, windows blown and things like that 636 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,631 that nobody would dare do without getting fired in the slick old days 637 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,753 WILLIAM FRAKER: The second picture I did with Connie 638 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,109 was a picture called The Professionals 639 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,151 Connie Hall was the cameraman 640 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,670 I was the camera operator 641 00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:45,156 Jordan Cronenweth was the assistant cameraman 642 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:50,274 And the second camera crew was Charles Rosher Junior, and Robert Byrne 643 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,552 I like the work that we did on that 644 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,273 Unfortunately, there was an awful lot of night 645 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:03,429 And night is always a conundrum in photography. Day for night, I mean 646 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,471 Connie was so good at this, 647 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,308 that we shot night of them escaping from Raza's compound 648 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,716 And then they jump in a coal cart and take off during the night 649 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,197 And then they make the jump and that was shot at the last part of day 650 00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:20,912 and brought down 651 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:27,957 Connie was innovative and very daring... but always extremely solid 652 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,355 He's got, I think, exquisite taste 653 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:36,559 And he can make that balance between black and white, colour, day, night 654 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:42,116 And he just looks at it and he just has that innate ability to do that 655 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,673 I think it's a gift 656 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,552 You're unlucky, bastard! 657 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,718 HALL: I don't think there was a choice about shooting it in colour or black and white 658 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,275 There were still 112 pictures being made in black and white that year 659 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,958 That was an easy choice 660 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,275 Doing it widescreen was a harder choice 661 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,959 - Hop in, boys. Where are you going? - Come on. Get in 662 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:20,791 And we felt that it might be a really wonderful proscenium to present this material in 663 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,472 He was in a fever 664 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,196 The scene where Robert Blake is about to be hanged 665 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,117 and he's talking to the chaplain 666 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,435 It was shot on the stage 667 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,395 We had a rain gutter over the top 668 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,591 It was like coming down. And we had a fan off to the side 669 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,395 which wasn't blowing the rain against the window 670 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:51,913 but was blowing the spray from the rain against the window 671 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:57,432 The light hitting his face with this phenomenon happening on the windows, 672 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:02,998 happened to hit his face one time when I was looking 673 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:08,398 So I went to Richard and I said, "Richard, watch this on his face now." 674 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,078 And we did another rehearsal 675 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,193 And you can see the water running down and it drips around 676 00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:18,152 and he's talking about his father and it's very sad 677 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,838 He's going to be hanged 678 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,235 But he's playing it very straight 679 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,952 Unemotional 680 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,468 And the visuals were crying for him 681 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,192 I hate him 682 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,752 And I love him 683 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:40,069 I've had so many cinematographers call me and ask me how I did that shot 684 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,997 Well, I didn't conceive it at all 685 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,838 Richard didn't conceive it. Nobody conceived it 686 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,678 It was purely a visual accident 687 00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:51,554 I think I was more afraid that I couldn't do it the Hollywood way 688 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,036 than I was arrogant or convinced 689 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,392 that my way would be a cinematic advance 690 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,112 So I was trying to... 691 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,112 I was trying to wed the two 692 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,832 So, anyway, I married the SOB 693 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,518 I had it all planned out 694 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,596 First he'd take over the History Department 695 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,359 Then when Daddy retired, he 'd take over the whole college 696 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,550 That was the way it was supposed to be 697 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,272 Getting angry, baby, huh? 698 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,038 What I knew was documentaries 699 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,594 What I knew was the simple way 700 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,200 What I knew is hand-holding 701 00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:26,471 What I knew was how to light realistically 702 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,750 Because most of the time in documentaries, 703 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,518 you work with realistic light 704 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,630 The atmosphere was really different 705 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,910 And I was considered a kid 706 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,158 although I was in my 30s, I guess 707 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,077 No, sir, this is not normal at all 708 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,793 This is the truth. This really happened 709 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:50,392 I did help somewhat in my knowledge of film cutting 710 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:56,436 I did help somewhat in my knowledge of how a camera could move 711 00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,393 And that also came from my documentary background 712 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,318 I read in Richard Burton's autobiography 713 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,239 that he was against me being the cameraman on Virginia Woolf 714 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:13,310 because he was afraid that with my gutsy, newsreel-type background 715 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,478 that I would show the pockmarks on his face and would be unkind to him 716 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,999 And that... 717 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:25,036 Elizabeth took my side and ultimately he was pleased with the results 718 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,319 Some scenes came back when we were shooting in New England, 719 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,592 which somebody at the lab felt was too dark, 720 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,710 and there was talk of firing me 721 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,036 A lot of this I found out later, fortunately 722 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,798 Then I told them I planned that 723 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,116 I wanted degrees of darkness and degrees of fill light, 724 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,469 so that when the early morning light came, 725 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,990 we would have some subliminal sense of a change in time 726 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:02,239 But there was a lot of heat on that film 727 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,319 I do not think that movies should be made because of the dialogue 728 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,271 I think it should have a good story 729 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,630 The important thing has to be how it is told visually 730 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,399 And dialogue should be like music in a film 731 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,278 You Joel McCabe? 732 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:26,992 Yeah 733 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,634 Mrs Miller. I've come to see you 734 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:37,395 McCabe and Mrs Miller was an excellent example of being a partner with the director 735 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,716 Altman wanted to have a special look for this movie 736 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,435 He didn't really know exactly what he was looking for 737 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,948 And then when he started to talk about it, 738 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,310 he said that he had something in his mind like old pictures, 739 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,874 old, faded colour photographs 740 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,957 I doubt if he knew what he was talking about 741 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,834 And I immediately started to experiment with flashing 742 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,634 And I told him about flashing and how we can desaturate the colours 743 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,240 and how he can achieve the faded look 744 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,718 Flashing is basically... 745 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,671 It's almost like fogging the film 746 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:19,632 Like putting a layer of fog over the negative 747 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,195 So, what happens is the blacks are not going to be really black 748 00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:25,071 It's going to be a sort of greyish 749 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,111 Because the blacks are not as black, 750 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,993 you see sort of into the shadow areas more 751 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,271 It also has another effect. It desaturates the colours 752 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,710 Tell me, any news from down there? It's been a while since... 753 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,069 How many men are there round here? 754 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,512 This here's an interesting town 755 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:49,112 I, myself, got a little bit tired of this faded look and I started to tell him 756 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:54,518 that maybe we should not do the whole picture this way, maybe we should have variation, 757 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,519 and he said, "Absolutely not. We are not going to compromise 758 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,235 I'm behind you, I will defend you against everybody in the world 759 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,589 if they come and complain about this look." 760 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,234 And, of course, the studio complained about the look very much 761 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,392 Motion pictures were breaking away from the Hollywood system 762 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,432 And you had the influence of the East Coast 763 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,278 You had the influence of the foreign markets now 764 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,709 And you had directors like Roman Polanski 765 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,272 What have you done to it? 766 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,959 WILLIAM FRAKER: Roman had a magnificent background - 767 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,956 he went to the Polish Film School - 768 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,310 and he had a magnificent background in photography 769 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,749 He understood photography. He understood images 770 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,234 And also with people 771 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,874 And emotions. He was tied with emotions 772 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,912 I won't let you go to no Doctor Hill nobody ever heard of 773 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,351 The best is what you're gonna have, young lady. Where's your telephone, huh? 774 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,038 It's in the bedroom 775 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,991 There's a shot in Rosemary's Baby 776 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,031 She says, "Where's the telephone?" 777 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,798 And Mia says, "In the bedroom." 778 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,912 And Ruth says, "Oh, good." And she exits 779 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,431 Roman says, "Billy, give me a POV of Ruth." 780 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,152 I got 'em framed perfectly 781 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,997 You see her on the phone talking 782 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,917 I said, "OK, Roman, we're ready." 783 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,757 He comes over and looks and says, 784 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,711 "No, Billy, no. Move, move, move." 785 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,398 Kindly move 786 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:37,471 And I looked through and I see just the back of Ruth Gordon seated on the bed 787 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,715 And you can't see her face or see the telephone 788 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,718 I said, "But you can't see her." He says, "Exactly." 789 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,557 I said, "Oh, OK." 790 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,515 So, now, we go to the theatre and 800 people in the theatre all go... 791 00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,477 To see around the doorjamb 792 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,158 That's Roman Polanski 793 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,796 New York had a style all its own and I call it a street style 794 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,512 It was something... 795 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,154 Because they didn't have the shops, the labs, 796 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,350 the equipment that we had in Hollywood 797 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,152 And it developed its own styles 798 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,111 They didn't believe in diffusion 799 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,277 They didn't believe in what they would do in Hollywood, 800 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,834 when you have to shoot a major motion picture star 801 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,909 It was a situation in which, for reasons of style and money and time, 802 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,315 they went into the streets and shot in real places 803 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,079 And that probably is the beginning 804 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,715 of what is used in our time, as that sort of New York look 805 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,077 WILLIAM FRAKER: Billy Daniels shot a picture called The Naked City 806 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:52,514 At that time, there was a bunch of new lights that had come up called fay lights 807 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,189 That's how we lit everything - no arcs or anything else like that - 808 00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:58,993 and he shot the whole picture what I call a New York style 809 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,357 Aaargh! 810 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,194 Naked City, he went right into their own back yard 811 00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:16,073 and did exactly what they did, and did it 812 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,509 And then you copy those styles 813 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,198 How do you...? 814 00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:26,598 How do you do better than On the Waterfront? You don't 815 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:32,397 You believe that you were there. You were part of that cold climate 816 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,158 You were part of the cold world 817 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,031 You were part of that whole thing 818 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,752 It had great blacks in it, too 819 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,756 People don't recognise the blacks 820 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,475 All the exterior stuff and the night stuff had great, rich blacks 821 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,192 Look out for the truck! 822 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,872 When we shot in New York, we had to improvise 823 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,436 Everything was done with something at hand, something you might find in the street, 824 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,198 and the shooting is rough and tough 825 00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:17,276 We moved in the streets all the time 826 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,757 I'm walking here! I'm walking here! Up yours! 827 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,429 Dirty and gritty would be my description of it 828 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,268 And it's evidence... pictures like Midnight Cowboy. 829 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,108 Actually, that ain't a bad way to pick up insurance, you know 830 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:42,031 I always say that Dog Day Afternoon was shot with energy 831 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:48,155 Every scene has energy from every point of view 832 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,156 From the actors 833 00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,192 From the camera and its movement 834 00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:58,872 Once we began to shoot, 835 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,469 there was no question, but that it had to have a semi-documentary look 836 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,598 It had to be real 837 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,393 That the audience was to believe that this was... 838 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,834 ...this was not a story 839 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,348 that had happened before that was being filmed 840 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,914 This is a story that's happening right now 841 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,076 And I think we succeeded in doing that 842 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,791 I met Marty 843 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,360 He was interviewing cameramen and we talked 844 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,118 And I had the advantage... 845 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,357 I think it had to be a union film and it had to be in New York, 846 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,834 and it was quite a low-budget movie, Taxi Driver 847 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,873 I had an advantage in that I really had looked at a lot of Godard and European stuff, 848 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,195 so we could begin to talk the same language 849 00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:56,472 And both of us happen to talk very fast, so we could talk the same language rapidly 850 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,277 We shot it really quite economically 851 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:03,992 We didn't cover... 852 00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,713 Marty knew not to cover certain things, 853 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,833 to make a shot which we knew was powerful enough to say everything we wanted to say 854 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,518 Some dolly shot, something 855 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,998 Rather more of it than you think was in the script 856 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,350 Schrader's script was extraordinarily visual when you came to shoot it 857 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,951 There's a lot in there, in Schrader's script, that helps you to figure out what to look at 858 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,310 The big overhead stuff and things at the end 859 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,636 are at least variations on things that were in the script 860 00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,509 Several people who, for whatever reason, 861 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:42,554 had some set of emotions about New York that they wanted to unload, 862 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,272 happened to come together 863 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,118 I think that's the simplest and fairest way to say it 864 00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,758 I got The French Connection 865 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,918 Billy Friedkin was looking for somebody to shoot The French Connection, 866 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,158 and they said what we've seen you do is all high-key, fashiony-type stuff 867 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,430 between commercials and this feature 868 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,393 But this has to be a very gritty, New York, street-type picture 869 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,112 Do you think you can do that? 870 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,789 My answer to 'em was, "Well, I'm a cinematographer 871 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,513 I should be able to do anything you want me to do." 872 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,551 And so I shot The French Connection 873 00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,957 and after that came out, I was labelled as a gritty, New York, street photographer 874 00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,232 You're driving a tad rapidly 875 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,350 Don't worry. I'm a very good driver 876 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:51,873 I don't think starting a career or pursuing a career in Hollywood on the West Coast 877 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,990 would have permitted me to pursue... 878 00:58:55,040 --> 00:59:00,068 ...visual styles that I've pursued over a period of time living on the East Coast 879 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,838 It's just a different... 880 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,518 ...world 881 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,393 It was a different film-making world for a long, long time 882 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,112 You're exceptional in bed, 883 00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,357 because you get pleasure in every part of your body when I touch it 884 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,188 Like the tip of your nose and if I stroke your teeth or your kneecaps... 885 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,074 I assign the big break in American cinematography to Gordon Willis 886 00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,477 In that, I think, modern American cinematography comes out of him very much 887 00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,159 I just simply pictured things a different way 888 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,514 And in some cases it caused a ruckus now and then 889 00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,792 Because it's like saying, "We can't do that, because that's never been done before." 890 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,276 I never did it in that spirit. I just simply did it because I liked it 891 00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,199 I want reliable people, people that aren't going to be carried away 892 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,912 I mean, we're not murderers 893 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,032 His imprint on the film was indelible when Godfather came out 894 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:55,870 I mean, that was a job of cinematography that everybody couldn't help but notice 895 00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,718 Bonasera 896 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,432 Bonasera, 897 01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,553 what have I ever done to make you treat me so disrespectfully? 898 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,112 GORDON WILLIS: A lot of things that I do with overhead lighting, 899 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,355 or a lot of things with that form of lighting, 900 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:17,474 actually came out of a necessity to deal with Marlon Brando in a given kind of make-up 901 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:22,719 It was an example of designing something to make one person work 902 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,150 and it was extended throughout the rest of the movie 903 01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,512 I got a lot of criticism, because they said, "Well, you can't see Brando's eyes." 904 01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,996 There were times in some of his scenes 905 01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:38,033 where I deliberately did not want to see his eyes 906 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,959 So that you saw this mysterious human being 907 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,912 thinking about something or about to do something, 908 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,838 but you didn't really know what the hell was going on 909 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,438 Gordon, the Prince of Darkness 910 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:55,589 I haven't... examined underexposing a lot, because I'm terrified of it 911 01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,636 But with people like Gordon who know just how much to do it, 912 01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,398 and all that kind of thing, 913 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,989 he has made an art of underexposure 914 01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,471 I may have gone too far a couple of times 915 01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,876 I think there was a scene between Al and his mother, 916 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,115 who was played by Morgana King in Part II 917 01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:20,798 I did one scene, I went too far 918 01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,436 I think Rembrandt went too far a couple of times! 919 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,118 It wasn't... 920 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:29,798 the fact that it was so dark 921 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:34,550 It was the fact that the studio said, "How are we gonna show this at the drive-ins?" 922 01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,318 That's the old attitude 923 01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,032 You gotta put light in there 924 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,595 You gotta see the people, because of the drive-ins 925 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,599 Well, the drive-ins were going out at that time, so that didn't mean much to us 926 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,437 We're going to Jersey? 927 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:53,873 When I shot Godfather I, my decision to use yellow in the movie... 928 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,434 The movie was very yellow 929 01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:00,314 Yellow-red. It bordered on this kind of brassy feeling 930 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,672 The reasons for that were because I just thought it was right 931 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,632 But yellow broke out in the motion picture business 932 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,592 related to period movies for a long time after that 933 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,031 It's not one thing that you do 934 01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,038 from a visual point of view that makes anything work 935 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:23,793 The art direction has to be right 936 01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,512 The wardrobe has to be right 937 01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,471 The shot structure has to be right 938 01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:32,479 And the lighting has to accommodate whatever it is you're introducing 939 01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,875 related to filtering, et cetera 940 01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,310 So, you can't just do one thing 941 01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,553 WILLIAM FRAKER: There's no mistaking Gordy Willis' work 942 01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:54,037 The magnificent thing that was done was the fact that he came back to it after... 943 01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:55,593 several years... 944 01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,279 and came right in, and you could put the three together 945 01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:02,108 It's almost like, my gosh, they never stopped making the picture 946 01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,799 Which is, I think, a tribute 947 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:25,078 JOHN ALONZO: All cameramen throughout the history of movies have taken risks 948 01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,588 My current crop of cameramen probably took more risks 949 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,713 only because we had better toys to play with 950 01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,196 We had better lenses. They were sharper and crisper 951 01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,993 We could put a camera where nobody had ever put one 952 01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:41,672 Sorry 953 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,918 We shot a scene in Chinatown with a hand-held Pentaflex inside a bathroom 954 01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,598 In the old days, prior to that, 955 01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,394 it would have been a bathroom on a stage with the walls moving out 956 01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,112 and you're stuck 957 01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:58,154 But here, Polanski got a very intimate, spontaneous behaviour from the actors 958 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,919 because the camera was right in there with them 959 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:02,712 What about it, what? 960 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,433 There's something black in the green part of your eye 961 01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,152 Oh, that 962 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,838 It's a... 963 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,552 It's a flaw... 964 01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,238 in the iris 965 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:18,751 That was a risk, a risk lightingwise, to light something like that as if you're saying, 966 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,759 "Here's a major motion picture and I'm lighting it like a documentary." 967 01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,353 They'd gotten the idea to do Chinatown in anamorphic 968 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,038 in the 235 aspect ratio 969 01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:37,718 But Roman said to me, 970 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:42,117 "I want to use modern-day technology to shoot a film about the past, 971 01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,277 as it would look like through my twentieth-century window, 972 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,754 I want to see what it looked like back then." 973 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,997 It meant that we shot a close-up of Faye Dunaway this size 974 01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,952 The lens was no more than two-and-a-half feet away, 975 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,672 which was very intimidating 976 01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:02,589 But Roman used that as a directing technique, to intimidate the character of Evelyn Mulwray 977 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,512 My talent was to light her as beautifully as possible 978 01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,950 So I walked around a lot of times with a hand-held key-light 979 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:14,039 If she moved this way, I'd move the light. Roman loved that sort of thing 980 01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:18,278 because he came from the Polish school where they had to do things that way 981 01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:22,029 And forcing me to do a hand-held shot, when I didn't agree with him 982 01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,277 I said, "It's going to be distracting." But he was right 983 01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,029 We would do things like force Jack Nicholson to hit a certain mark, 984 01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,595 and have the camera just behind his ear, and format it that way 985 01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,437 You'd force him to hit that mark 986 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,756 If he wouldn't hit that mark, we'd do the scene over again 987 01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,553 Because he wanted that voyeuristic kind of look 988 01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:47,152 His mind was 24 hours a day at 78 rpm, thinking 989 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,794 Hello, Claude. Where'd you get the midget? 990 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,189 Not on how to make things complicated, but how to make things better 991 01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:06,599 When we undertook shooting Jaws, we were sitting on the lot at Universal, 992 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,512 3,000 miles from where we intended to shoot the picture, 993 01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:16,032 trying to decide what kind of equipment to take, how we would go about it 994 01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,799 Watch him now! Starboard! Starboard! 995 01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,237 Spielberg said, "I want to nail this down on a tripod - 996 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,748 I don't want it wandering all over the place." 997 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,236 I said, "Steven, that is not the way to make a sea picture, 998 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,397 because people will be throwing up in the aisles if you do that... 999 01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,555 ...so, I think I will try to hand-hold the picture." 1000 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,311 And he couldn't believe that I really intended to do that 1001 01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:44,998 On Jaws, 1002 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:48,919 somewhere in one of those endless interviews that he gives, Steve says... 1003 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:50,791 It was a joke we used to have on the set - 1004 01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,116 that it was the most expensive hand-held movie ever made 1005 01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,515 On the ocean, almost all of it is hand-held, 1006 01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,518 because they didn't have steadicams in those days 1007 01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,879 It was a great piece, a very fine piece of operating, if you look at it 1008 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,718 If you think it was all hand-held and how we did it 1009 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,432 I'm quite proud of it 1010 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,756 It was like being the MVP or winning the Triple Crown 1011 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,155 Baseball metaphors come easily to operating 1012 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:28,197 We kept the camera at water level whenever we could 1013 01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,312 and it isn't something that you will see immediately, 1014 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:37,037 but after a while you begin to feel that that shark is maybe just under that water 1015 01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:41,312 And by keeping the camera down close to that water, we built into the picture 1016 01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:46,115 a kind of atmosphere or feeling that we wouldn't have gotten any other way 1017 01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:01,710 I noticed that almost in every country, cinematographers come from another country 1018 01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,430 There is an attraction to the exoticism 1019 01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,712 A foreigner, whether he's from Europe or from any place, 1020 01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,638 has a fresh eye to look at another country 1021 01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:21,312 And perhaps he distinguishes, he sees better what's interesting about another country 1022 01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:25,148 I really liked staying with you. You were so much fun. I love you, OK 1023 01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,875 I want you to be really good. I don't want you to do anything wrong 1024 01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:33,277 If you do, I'll come back and get you. All right? I love you 1025 01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,992 He told me it would be a very visual movie 1026 01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,429 He said that. The film will be a visual film 1027 01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:49,438 The story will be told through visuals 1028 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,595 Very few people really want to give that priority to the image 1029 01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:01,794 Usually, directors give the priority to the actors and to the story 1030 01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,559 But here the story was told really through images 1031 01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,398 Hey! 1032 01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:10,758 In the period movies, 1033 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,995 there was no electricity - 1034 01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,429 at least before electricity was invented - 1035 01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:19,233 and in consequence there was less light 1036 01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,919 Period movies should have less light 1037 01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:26,556 And I think a period movie, the light has to come from the windows 1038 01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,558 That's how people lived 1039 01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:36,317 "Magic hour" is a euphemism, because it's not an hour 1040 01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,318 It's about 20 or 25 minutes at the most 1041 01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,828 It is the moment when the sun sets 1042 01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,031 And after the sun sets, before it is night, 1043 01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:47,718 the skies have light 1044 01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,115 But there is no actual sun 1045 01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:54,438 and the light is very, very soft 1046 01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:57,789 and there's something, as you say, magic 1047 01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:59,831 It limited us to 20 useful minutes a day 1048 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,518 But it did pay on the screen 1049 01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,314 It gave some kind of magic look to it, a beauty of it, a romanticism 1050 01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:10,990 Something that colour could do much better than black and white 1051 01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,510 At the time of Days of Heaven, which was 1976, 1052 01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,198 when we shot the movie - 1053 01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:18,912 the film came out in '78 or '79, 1054 01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,598 but we shot it in '76 - 1055 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,393 film was not as sensitive as it is today 1056 01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:28,673 Today you can actually shoot with a kerosene lamp with actually kerosene flame 1057 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:35,159 But at the time, we had to put an electric bulb inside those lights 1058 01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:40,433 But the important thing is that, actually, the light was coming from the lamps 1059 01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:42,914 That was what I think was modern 1060 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,555 Because you see any other movie of the old times 1061 01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,479 like, for instance, a marvellous movie like Sunrise, a silent movie, 1062 01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:55,594 and the scene when they are looking for the girl in the lake, supposedly drowned 1063 01:10:55,640 --> 01:11:00,509 And they go with lamps and those lamps, they give no light. They're just props 1064 01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,155 They're props and the audience has to believe they give light 1065 01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,953 But they were just very weak 1066 01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:15,035 On Days of Heaven, I had the privilege of seeing footage that Nestor shot in the lab 1067 01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:18,629 Because Nestor knew he had to leave to go with Truffaut 1068 01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,309 And so, when Terry Malick called me up and said, 1069 01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:26,512 "We want you to come up here and do this picture, Nestor has to go," 1070 01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,994 I was dying to go 1071 01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:34,192 I did some hand-held shots with the Pentaflex in Days of Heaven 1072 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:41,835 The opening of the film in the steel mill, I did... personally hand-held with the Pentaflex 1073 01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,518 I used some diffusion 1074 01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,155 Nestor didn't use any diffusion on it 1075 01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:49,872 The moment I see a movie that... 1076 01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,276 I start seeing a movie that has a fog filter, 1077 01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,915 I usually stay ten minutes, then I leave I think that's enough 1078 01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,918 I hate that kind of thing, because it's so easy 1079 01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:03,157 I felt very guilty about using the diffusion 1080 01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,634 And it wasn't that heavy diffusion, 1081 01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:12,711 but I remember having that feeling of sort of violating a fellow cameraman 1082 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:18,436 But now Nestor knows I'm on film or tape 1083 01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:28,719 After ten rounds, 1084 01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:32,833 Judge Rossi, eight to two, La Motta 1085 01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,636 Judge Murphy, seven to three, La Motta 1086 01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:44,313 CHAPMAN: If you look at Raging Bull, I based it very specifically on Life Magazine photographs, 1087 01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:48,353 big still photos of the '40s 1088 01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:52,109 That's what people of my generation and Marty's, 1089 01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,594 though he's younger, remember fights as 1090 01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,916 They remember them as big flash photos in Life Magazine 1091 01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,310 We were really showing off 1092 01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,079 We panned 360 this way when he went that way 1093 01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,032 We started at 24 frames, and then we went to 48 frames 1094 01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:10,911 and then back to 24 frames 1095 01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,076 Jake knocks somebody out in 24 frames, 1096 01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:18,511 and then he walks over to a neutral corner. And 48 frames, all in the same shot 1097 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,198 We made a kind of rule 1098 01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,232 that when we were actually fighting, we would try... 1099 01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,919 In the actual fights, we'd try to do it 24 frames 1100 01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:27,712 Although we tried to cheat it 1101 01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:31,230 and it got really operatic towards the end with Sugar Ray Robinson 1102 01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:35,193 But, in general, we tried to make the actual fight time be in 24 frames 1103 01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:36,912 And... 1104 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,190 save the overcrank, 1105 01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,516 the really overcranked stuff for when he's in the corner, 1106 01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:46,678 or in this case, for when he is not actually fighting, but breathing against the ropes 1107 01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,679 When he goes back into the real time of fighting, we go back to 24 1108 01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:58,798 We had about... 1109 01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:00,831 God, I don't know, dozens of fights 1110 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,189 And we had a different style for each one 1111 01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:04,912 And one was all going to be... 1112 01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,598 One was all going to be... 1113 01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,392 like this and like this 1114 01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:10,158 With a fairly long lens 1115 01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:14,398 One was going to be all following him around. One was going to be steadicam 1116 01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,552 He started in the dressing room 1117 01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,989 He walks all the way. We lit the whole thing 1118 01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,555 And he stands on a big crane and the crane lifts him up in the air 1119 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,750 It was great fun. It was wonderful fun 1120 01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,839 It was an example of that thing that Marty can really do like no-one else 1121 01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,589 Know what the emotional story-telling shot is really going to be, 1122 01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,438 and that you don't need to do anything but this one shot 1123 01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:39,756 And it's so good and so evocative, it's so powerful emotionally 1124 01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,713 that it'll get you from A to B without any coverage, without any worry 1125 01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:06,518 For the Middleweight Championship of the World, 15 rounds! 1126 01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:10,269 Photography is a single art 1127 01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:11,958 Like painting 1128 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:13,672 Like writing. Like music 1129 01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,553 Cinematography is a common art 1130 01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,272 I think it's... 1131 01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:22,233 It's not an art form that can be expressed by one single person 1132 01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,669 So, of course, there is the director, 1133 01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:31,875 which is like the main author of the entire common expression, 1134 01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:36,436 because even if several persons express themself in the same art form, 1135 01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:38,710 everybody can go in different directions 1136 01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,069 So, from the writer to the musician, 1137 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,918 to the production design, to the costume design, 1138 01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,076 to the cinematographer, to the editor, 1139 01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:47,917 someone should be responsible 1140 01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,236 Just go by like you're fighting! Don't look at the camera! 1141 01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:52,918 Just go through! Go through! 1142 01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:58,948 Apocalypse Now was really a closing chapter 1143 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,672 Very specific 1144 01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,756 Not only because it was the longest, 1145 01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,472 it was the most far away, 1146 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:06,158 it was the most difficult, 1147 01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:10,079 it was the most expensive, it was the most dangerous movie ever done 1148 01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,680 But also it was probably the most emotional one 1149 01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:20,319 Mainly the first section of my light was merely dealing with light 1150 01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:25,878 With all these possibilities the light has to express itself 1151 01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:33,195 To show on screen the incredible source of light, 1152 01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,356 the great generator with lamps, 1153 01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,119 into the jungle 1154 01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,954 Very sharp light, very soft light 1155 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,195 Very warm light, very cold light 1156 01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,231 Very artificial, very natural 1157 01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:52,034 Both. All the time, I was working with the opposite 1158 01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:02,114 Francis was shooting Apocalypse Now in the Philippines 1159 01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:03,832 And he called me up 1160 01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:07,270 and he wanted me to come over and photograph the second unit 1161 01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:12,713 Every time I went out, I tried to do it in the spirit of the way that they would do it 1162 01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,115 That was always the utmost thing in my mind 1163 01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:19,119 And they were always great. Vittorio would always egg me on 1164 01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:20,832 He was always very cute 1165 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,758 He'd go, "Steve, we're stuck here with all this stuff 1166 01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,917 You can go out with this camera and you can get all this great stuff 1167 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,474 Do something wonderful. Give us some ideas." 1168 01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:33,513 He gave me all this encouragement to do whatever I wanted to do 1169 01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:40,796 And yet I felt very responsible that what I did had to mesh seamlessly with what he did 1170 01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,032 VITTORIO STORARO: I understood... 1171 01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:49,756 ...how it could be important to travel, to go into another country 1172 01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:51,472 To use another language 1173 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,158 To use another industry 1174 01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,316 To interchange energy 1175 01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:09,551 There was one idea came to my mind 1176 01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:15,839 There was a possibility to make an analogy between the life and light 1177 01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:20,919 The journey that Pu Yi was doing into himself 1178 01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:24,316 could be represented with the different stage... 1179 01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:28,035 with the different stage of light. Different colours 1180 01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:34,110 The first time, he was cutting his own vein, 1181 01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,152 and you see for the first time red 1182 01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,077 Red is the colour of the beginning 1183 01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,997 The colour when we're born 1184 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:42,678 He was borning 1185 01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:44,312 See the blood 1186 01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,079 He was, remember, being born as an emperor 1187 01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:54,432 We go into the scene when the people with the torches are arriving to pick up him 1188 01:18:55,480 --> 01:18:57,311 When we see orange in the picture, 1189 01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,238 it is the warm colour of the family 1190 01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:03,475 It is the colour of the Forbidden City 1191 01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:13,551 I was using all the lights around the young Pu Yi to get the feeling of family. Ofwarm 1192 01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,956 Of maternal embrace 1193 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,192 Yellow... 1194 01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,276 is the colour of our identity 1195 01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,675 When we come conscious 1196 01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,950 Is the colour it represents the emperor 1197 01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,675 Is the colour that more leads the light 1198 01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:35,110 That more represents the sun itself 1199 01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:36,832 Hoi! 1200 01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:38,518 Green... 1201 01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,278 is knowledge 1202 01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,471 We see green the first time only when the tutor is coming 1203 01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,080 He brings a green bicycle 1204 01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,430 It's the knowledge of something 1205 01:19:49,480 --> 01:19:54,110 Up to that moment, Pu Yi was living in the Forbidden City 1206 01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,435 It was kind of a forbidden colour for him 1207 01:19:57,480 --> 01:20:01,632 He didn't know anything about one section of the colour spectrum 1208 01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:03,318 Green, blue, indigo, violet 1209 01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,237 He know only red, orange, yellow 1210 01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,316 The emperor shouldn't know anything 1211 01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,078 Should know only portion of it 1212 01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:10,917 Because knowledge can hurt him 1213 01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:18,395 I export our feeling... 1214 01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:21,032 in his way of seeing 1215 01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:25,915 and I re-import once again all the experience back to him 1216 01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,076 Back to Italian cinema 1217 01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,669 Back to Last Emperor 1218 01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,633 And I understood that at that moment that cinema really has no nationality 1219 01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,030 MICHAEL BALLHAUS: There are different ways to work with a director 1220 01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,679 I had this wonderful working relationship 1221 01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:03,033 with Marty Scorsese, which, I think, is the most visual director 1222 01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:05,674 of all the directors I've worked with 1223 01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,548 When we start a movie, he knows what he wants. It's in his head 1224 01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:23,553 The way Marty works is that he gives you a shot list 1225 01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:28,230 It's basically to determine the rhythm of a scene. What he wants 1226 01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,829 He describes the shot. Close-up. Tracking shot 1227 01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,952 And when it's getting a little more complicated, shots, 1228 01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,276 then sometimes he makes a little drawing, of how he wants it, 1229 01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,436 or he has a reference to another movie 1230 01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:44,109 He says, "Why don't you look at this shot in this-and-this movie? 1231 01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,435 Something like this we should do here." 1232 01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:48,118 Father, 1233 01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:51,948 why have you forsaken me? 1234 01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:56,232 I remember a shot that Marty hasn't done before 1235 01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,192 And he wasn't quite sure if it would work 1236 01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:08,239 There was a shot in Goodfellas, when De Niro and Ray Liotta are sitting in that cafe, 1237 01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:14,435 where he finds out that if he goes to where De Niro tells him to go, 1238 01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:16,118 he will be killed 1239 01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:19,994 That this is the end of their relationship in a way 1240 01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,474 MOVIE VOICEOVER: I got there 15 minutes early 1241 01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:24,636 and I saw that Jimmy was already there 1242 01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,672 MICHAEL BALLHAUS: And what we did is that... 1243 01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,678 We did a tracking-back, zooming-in shot, 1244 01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,598 where the frame actually did not change 1245 01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,278 It starts on a two-shot, 1246 01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,117 and we pulled back and zoomed in, 1247 01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,879 but the background changed totally 1248 01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,310 And this was something that is quite interesting, 1249 01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,032 because it tells you a story 1250 01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,514 You just start thinking, "What's going on?" 1251 01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:52,712 Something is changing here, but they still sit there in their booth and talk 1252 01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,638 But the world around them changes 1253 01:22:55,680 --> 01:23:01,152 And I think this is something that I really like to do, and then Marty loved it 1254 01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,760 It's a matter of bouncing ideas back and forth 1255 01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:07,156 I mean, certainly, you know, it's never easy 1256 01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:08,872 It's never perfect 1257 01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:14,950 There's always disputes about how light or dark it should be 1258 01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:16,513 How tight a close-up should be 1259 01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:23,076 Well, Eraserhead was a film that was in David Lynch's mind 1260 01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,475 right from the beginning 1261 01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:32,119 And, I think, my job as the cinematographer became to find ways to extract it and to... 1262 01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:40,150 ...to have him explain how it should look in great detail 1263 01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:42,872 How the camera should move 1264 01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,832 What the mood and the feeling of the light should be 1265 01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:49,077 We found that we could say this is a dark corner, 1266 01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:50,758 and it's not just dark, 1267 01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,075 it's very, very dark 1268 01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:56,749 And we would talk about how dark was dark 1269 01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:19,671 I think the advantage of Blue Velvet was that we had a lot of time to think about it 1270 01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,029 David had written the script for a studio 1271 01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:24,957 It didn't get picked up to be made 1272 01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:26,638 Nothing happened for a while 1273 01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:28,352 and so I read it and we talked 1274 01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:30,038 And we would talk about... 1275 01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,548 what's the small town look like? 1276 01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:34,397 Have you ever seen one like this? 1277 01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,838 What do these characters do in this town? 1278 01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:42,793 What's Dorothy's apartment look like? Since we spend so much time in there 1279 01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:44,512 What's the feeling of it? 1280 01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:48,997 Because so many strange things happen in that place 1281 01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:52,830 What's it look like? What colour is it? 1282 01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,953 We just could bounce ideas around for a couple of years, which was great 1283 01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,638 You don't often have this 1284 01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,596 Radio Raheem! 1285 01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,238 The first thing that Spike said to me about Do the Right Thing, 1286 01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,113 he said, "This film is set on the hottest day of the summer 1287 01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:19,037 How do we make the audience feel heat?" 1288 01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,589 Dealing with it in a realistic treatment, 1289 01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:25,437 I don't think would have done it 1290 01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:31,635 We had one block in Brooklyn that was going to be our studio 1291 01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:33,511 And we could control the colour 1292 01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,835 We controlled the colour of the costumes 1293 01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,553 We renovated some of the houses there 1294 01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:42,513 and determined what colours were going to be there 1295 01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:45,872 It's manufacturing reality, 1296 01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,595 heightening the reality, to get the audience to feel a certain way 1297 01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:51,198 Yo, Ahmad! 1298 01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,629 I think Do the Right Thing was the first film 1299 01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:59,390 where I really had the luxury of waiting for the light 1300 01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:03,638 A lot of the time I spent planning certain scenes to be shot at certain times of the day 1301 01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,797 because the film takes place in one day, 1302 01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:08,512 on one block... 1303 01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,279 ...where changes in light are going to be very obvious 1304 01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,039 You the man. I'm just visiting 1305 01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:17,838 I think Spike trusts me a lot 1306 01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:20,791 I think the trust has grown 1307 01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,195 I think it's really vital to him, 1308 01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:28,314 because he does have to give up the directing reins and get in front of the camera quite a bit 1309 01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:32,916 And when he does that, he relies upon me to be his objective eye 1310 01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:38,353 The director is going to be the author of the performances of the film, 1311 01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,038 the story of the film 1312 01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,550 The cinematographer is the author of the use of light in the film 1313 01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,194 and how that contributes to the story 1314 01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:57,275 CALEB DESCHANEL: Suddenly you're aware of the fact 1315 01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:00,596 that things are not exactly as they seem 1316 01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,154 In other words, you create a representation of it 1317 01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:05,111 and lots of times, that representation 1318 01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,594 is more emotional than it is real 1319 01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,428 Oftentimes, we're asked to imitate others 1320 01:27:11,480 --> 01:27:14,756 and it's always a little bit disconcerting 1321 01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:18,509 to be asked to completely imitate another film 1322 01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:20,596 I think we all learn from other films 1323 01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:24,189 and try and emulate certain DPs who are very good 1324 01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:32,071 But the DPs who really do something different every time are the most amazing 1325 01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,233 I think today in motion picture technology 1326 01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:40,953 we're really at a precipice, 1327 01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:46,472 a jumping-off point into an unknown but possibly very exciting future 1328 01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:52,550 In the same way that, the '50s, when Cinemascope and widescreen Cinerama, 1329 01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:54,511 Technirama, all these new formats, 1330 01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,597 really shook up the whole way we were looking at films 1331 01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,234 We have that opportunity now 1332 01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,272 Someone once said that the lighting and the look of a film 1333 01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:06,995 makes the pauses speak as eloquently as the words 1334 01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:14,908 That you have moments in films that happen because of what is there visually 1335 01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,679 How someone is lit or not lit 1336 01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,234 You put something in an audience's mind visually, 1337 01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:26,991 and they will carry away images as well as the words 116489

Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.