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One night I was watching
the 1947 version of Oliver Twist,
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David Lean's Oliver Twist,
photographed by Guy Green
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We were watching the movie,
watching the opening scenes of the film,
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of Oliver's mother in labour
walking across this dark moor
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and my uncle just happened to say,
"God, this photography is gorgeous."
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And I said, "Photography?"
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That's when I learned
what a director of photography was
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I found out that I was unconsciously...
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I was responding to light
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In the beginning,
all there was was a guy with a camera
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There were no directors. There was nothing
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There was a guy on the camera
and he would shoot these subjects
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The subject may be 20 seconds long
of a train coming at you, wherever it is
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Then actors were brought in
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and because the cameramen
were basically photographers,
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and weren't that facile with performers,
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usually one of the performers
directed the performers
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So, right in the very beginning, you saw
that there was the division of duties
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There was the director
who took care of the acting part,
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and there was the cameraman
who took care of everything else
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The cinematographer's job
is to tell people where to look,
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to say, "Look at this. She's going to weep and
sing the aria," or, "He's going to draw the gun."
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Or, you know, "He feels OK, but behind him
is an ape. You'd better look at the ape!"
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We do some things we
don't realise we're doing
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until we see the film put together
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We did them out of instinct.
We didn't know exactly why
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And they work for the picture
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And it's very hard to express a reason for it
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but it's there
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The great cinematographers are able to
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understand the stories
they are trying to tell
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and find those elusive visual images
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that help to tell that story
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A great DP adds to the material
that already exists,
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and really works
to understand the subject matter
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and the language of the director
they're working with
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I think visually
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I think of how,
if you turned off the soundtrack,
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anybody would stick around
and figure out what was going on
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There's just every technique, visually
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There's a language
far more complex than words
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I enjoy going onto a stage that's totally black,
striking a first light, and saying, "Here we go."
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That really turns me on, personally
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I wanted to copy...
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...simulate what I saw on the screen
by the giants and masters
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To this day, I still have a reverence
of Charlie Lang, Stanley Cortez...
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...and Ted McCord, and Arthur Miller...
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...and Hal Moore, and Leon Shamroy,
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Milton Krasner and all those people
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I wanted to be like them
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I wanted to do what they did
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What you had to have
in the black-and-white days,
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you had to have a real grasp
of what photography meant
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Those were the real cinematographers.
These people knew photography
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The more I've learned, and shot films,
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when I go back and look what was done
in the teens and the '20s...
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Some years ago, I had the very good fortune
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to see an original negative print
of Birth of a Nation, shot by Billy Bitzer,
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who was with Griffith
on all of his early films
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It was an inspiration to realise
what was achieved in that cinematography
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We're talking pretty close
to the beginning of everything here
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and to realise what he accomplished
with the equipment he had
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and how quickly so many things
became much more sophisticated
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The '20s was really a golden age for cinema
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because the camera
was unencumbered by sound
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And it was unencumbered by all the...
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devices that accompany
verbal dialogue storytelling
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It really was a visual medium
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The early movies seemed to be freer
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I mean,
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you see like scenes like in Way Down East,
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when Lillian Gish is jumping
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from a piece of ice to another one,
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it's almost a documentary
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She actually is doing it
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and there is no tricks and no studio
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The camera was very free
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The camera could move very fast
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Cameras were much smaller
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and the fact that they didn't have sound
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allowed them to shoot very freely
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The camera could be anywhere
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JOHN BAILEY: And the Germans, in the '20s,
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were really the cutting edge
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Directors like Pabst and Murnau
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really took a lot of the formal elements
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that came out of
German expressionist sculpture
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and painting and graphics
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and grafted them into film
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A lot of European film-makers -
directors like Murnau -
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came to the United States
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The production of Sunrise was
a real watershed for American film-making
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And that film was startling in every aspect
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In its design aspect
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Certainly in its use
of expressionistic lighting techniques
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Character was revealed in Sunrise
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through a lot of very complicated
lighting changes
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and dramatic lighting sources
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that were very, very new and fresh
in the American films
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They had crane shots that went
for ever and ever and ever
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And they had these kind of rigs,
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that would be rigged overhead in the studios
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This was all very inventive business
that they did
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They had a fluid camera
that would just continue on and on and on
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Where we have steadicams and
things like that, and Panaglides,
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they were doing that some time ago
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We're talking 1927
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Everything had to be told visually
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and I think when sound came in,
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that was a great catastrophe for movie-making
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I still believe that if sound would
have come in ten or 15 years later,
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I think the art of movies and cinematography
would have been much, much higher
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than even it is today
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We've all seen those sequences
from early sound films
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where it's all too obvious
that there's a microphone
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planted in a flower vase
at the centre of the table,
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cos all the actors are leaning forward,
speaking into it
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But I really shouldn't blame you
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I'm the son of your employer
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and that in itself makes me
a low, low scoundrel
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If I didn't trust you, I wouldn't be here
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So, here we are
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Chopped onions?
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JOHN BAILEY: The camera can't move at all,
it can't even pan or tilt,
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because it's in a huge, soundproof
refrigerator or ice box
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and it took a number of years
for cinematographers
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to start thinking about ways
to free the camera again
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If a director, as Rouben Mamoulian did,
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cared enough to fight for his mobile camera
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and the whole idea
that you could do a sound film,
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where you didn't record sound for every shot
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or perhaps you would add the sound later
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I think you see with Mamoulian,
with Lubitsch,
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you see some early talkies...
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You see it with Vidor
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I mean, these people refused to be bound
to the conventional
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Good work was being done.
It was more difficult
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Mommy!
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All right, boys
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Now, when you come through there...
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Once, of course, the camera could be blimped
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in some kind of a portable device,
soundproofed,
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it could then be put on a dolly
and the camera could be moved again
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Of course, it energises and infuses
the whole feel of a film
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to have a camera that can move with actors,
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can move counter to actors
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Are you giving me the run-around?
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The '30s brought in
the full flowering of the studio system
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And the leading cinematographers
helped create
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what was considered to be a studio look
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There was the gloss of Paramount,
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the harder-edged look that Warner Brothers
was noted for,
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and the glamour that we associate with MGM
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In the heavy studio times,
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through the '30s, through the '50s,
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every studio had its own laboratory
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and every studio was trying to make
what they did distinctive and different
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And it depended very much
on the group of contract cameramen
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and art directors and directors,
how they ran their operation
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Quiet, everybody!
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They learned together
and they developed this technique
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and they invented the equipment
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Everything you see on a movie camera
was invented by some cameraman
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because he needed to do something
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and he didn't know how to do it
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and so they had these machine shops
and they would just fabricate this stuff
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It was a system where people
really followed up through the system
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You were an assistant.
You worked your way up
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You followed in the footsteps
of the person that you were working under
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And so it tended to create a stronger
impression of, you know, a particular style,
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that we think of as being Hollywood
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It was no joke.
You finished on a Saturday night,
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and Monday morning
you started a different picture
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Sometimes with Sunday to read the script.
They kept you working
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You were paid a very good salary,
but you didn't get to goof off
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and it was only on the very biggest pictures
where you might have a long period of testing
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So, these people were tested every day
as they worked,
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and had to be able to handle different things
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I'm sure they were
assigned to their strengths
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by studios sometimes,
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but sometimes they weren't
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I think the system had its good points
and its bad points for cinematographers,
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as it did for everyone
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I think that today we look back
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and sometimes there's a nostalgia
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After years of berating the studio system,
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now we sort of say,
"Gee, but they made so many pictures,
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and you had so many opportunities."
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Have a drink?
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JOHN BAILEY: The dominance
of the actor and the actress
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as the driving engine of the Hollywood movies
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dictated a certain kind of vocabulary
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that, basically, were medium shots,
close-ups, over-the-shoulders
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and the principle was to make the actors,
especially the leading actor and actress,
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look as handsome and as beautiful as possible
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When you photographed a star well,
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they had enough power
to be able to put you under contract
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Or, at least, to insist that that
cinematographer would photograph them
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Louis B Meyer was a very smart man
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He'd call the cameramen in and he'd say,
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"I don't care what the star goes through,
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flood, fire, I don't care,
she's got to look beautiful."
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This is the first thing you learn,
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because this is actually
a cameraman's bread and butter
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They used to tell the cameraman,
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"Put your shadows anywhere,
but don't put any shadows on their faces."
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They wanted to see their faces
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and that was the rule
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Most of the photography out there
had that look
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Women stars particularly,
at that time, were very important
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and they wanted their own photographers
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Garbo wouldn't have anybody
but Bill Daniels do her pictures
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After all, when one may not have long
to live, why shouldn't one have fancies?
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Here's a man who'd been
very much a rebel film-maker,
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who later on went on
to make his own reputation
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as the studio cameraman par excellence
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I was sad, when Garbo died,
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that not many papers
mentioned Bill Daniels' name
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Because this is a man that created with her
her whole screen persona
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If you noticed,
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the beautiful jobs that were done
on Marlene Dietrich
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Where she would be maybe...
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If you light a set at 100 foot-candles,
she would be at 110, 115 foot-candles
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She would have just a little bit
more light on her than anybody else
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so she would pop out amongst the crowd
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It sounds funny,
but I don't seem to be able to entertain you
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I hate to be entertained. Please don't do it
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I shot her on a picture called Desire
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and I found out that her face needs
a completely different kind of lighting
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A high key light
that would narrow her cheeks down
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And just made her look well
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Sternberg, I think, found that out
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In fact, she almost insisted. She'd say,
"That's the light I'd like to use up there."
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Won't you please get out of here?
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Now, is that a nice way to talk
to the man whose name you bear?
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All right, I took your name. So what?
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Claudette Colbert, yes,
she had to be lit on one side
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You probably know that
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We even built the set so that she
would always be on one side of her face
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She really did have problems
with the other side of her face
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So, once in a while, I'd get a man star
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Strange, though, when both of them
had to be lit on one side
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Now you had problems!
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It was the studio look that was pre-eminent
rather than individual cinematographers
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But there were coming out of that,
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you know, really stellar people...
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like George Folsey,
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like Gregg Toland,
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like Arthur Miller,
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...who had such strength,
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and such individual voice,
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that they kind oftranscended
whatever studio they happened to work for
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Today, you look back and very easily
recognise a lot of their films from the look,
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irrespective of director even
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Do you wish anything, madam?
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I didn't expect to see you, Mrs Danvers
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I noticed that a window wasn't closed...
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George Barnes, I admired his work, too.
He did romantic work, wonderfully imaginative
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and just great-looking
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It's a lovely room, isn't it?
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The loveliest room you've ever seen
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Everything is kept just
as Mrs de Winter liked it
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Nothing has been
altered since that last night
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Gregg Toland
learned his craft through George Barnes
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I think he was with him for many,
many pictures
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And then Gregg broke away doing his own
and did wonderful work
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SVEN NYKVIST: The one I really
was inspired on was Gregg Toland
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I saw all his films and I
remember the first one,
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that was The Long Voyage Home
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It was fantastic
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He worked with a depth
of field the whole time
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and lighting was so interesting
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because he dared to take
a lot of contrast in the pictures
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And perhaps it was a
little too much sometimes,
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but for a cinematographer, it was fantastic
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Let's take him aboard!
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On your feet!
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JOHN BAILEY: He did a film for John Ford,
The Grapes of Wrath,
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which had a very naturalistic feel,
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almost a documentary reality
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You can take frames from The Grapes of Wrath
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and put 'em alongside the WPA photographs
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of Walker Evans or Dorothea Lange
or Doris Ulmann or anybody,
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and it's really hard to tell the difference
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He did seem to have an eye for things
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and also he was very creative
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For instance,
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we much later started doing filming
with candlelight, for instance, or a match
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and he already did it in The Grapes of Wrath
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He didn't have the technology we have today
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Film was not as fast as it was
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But already you get the idea that, actually,
the light,
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when he's describing that empty house,
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comes from the hand and the match
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Toland was a gambler
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He was a real gambler
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He wasn't afraid to try anything
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I remember when they were doing Citizen Kane
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I was working in the trick department at
Selznick and they shot it at Selznick Studio
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Is that really your idea
of how to run a newspaper?
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I don't know how to run a newspaper.
I just try everything I can think of
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He was working with Orson Welles
who was also a gambler
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The two of 'em
made a wonderful pair on that picture
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Wonderful pair
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Wouldn't you love to have known what films
that Welles and Toland screened together?
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And what they enjoyed? Obviously Welles had
seen Toland's work and been impressed with it
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The idea that Toland understood
all the rules he could break
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No public man whom Kane himself...
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ALLEN DAVIAU: The film opens up
with a send-up of the March of Time newsreel
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And, I mean,
it is done with such loving detail
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I mean, in terms of texures and contrasts
and dupes and scratching film intentionally
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What a wonderful time they had to have
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sitting around there, thinking up all of the
different things they were gonna do in that film
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They must have had
a very good trust for one another,
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because a director has to kind of
embrace their DP, to let them go
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And what Toland contributed
is so amazing to that film
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The deep space
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And the camera blocking
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It takes a certain kind of director to want to
put up with being that demanding on their actors
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That's complete choreography
of acting to camera
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By having the deep focus,
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he was able to give Orson a lot more leeway
on how he moved his actors
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It freed him up
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I think that was a tremendous contribution
Gregg gave to the film
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Be careful, Charles
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Pull your muffler round your neck
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I think we shall have to tell him now
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We always have this problem
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with cinematography not being able
to carry somebody in the foreground
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who's sharper in focus
than somebody 20 feet back
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Gregg had, for a number of years,
been working on new lenses, faster lenses,
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that would allow him to pour more light in
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and get a greater depth in these scenes
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And that's one of the things, I think,
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that gave Citizen Kane
the kind of dynamics that it had
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Extraordinary dynamics
compared to other films at the time
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In 1948, it played in one of the...
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most popular cinemas in Budapest
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Exactly one week
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And the government
just pulled it right after that
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The little screening room was packed
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because we'd heard Citizen Kane
is going to be screened
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which was one of the major events,
I think, at that time
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That was the first time I'd seen Citizen Kane
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and I just couldn't believe the magnitude
and the magic of film-making
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And after a while,
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Citizen Kane was like a textbook for us
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It's so sad they never
got to collaborate again
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And Welles' regard for him is expressed,
very plainly,
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in the end title card of the film, where
Welles shared his title card with Toland
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Film noir really had its high water mark
right after the war
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The visual style of film noir, I think,
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has fingerprints going back very early
in German Expressionist cinema
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They had a sparseness
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A visual and stylistic sparseness
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What is the bare-bones story?
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What are the bare-bones facts
of the characters?
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And what is the basic visual information
we need to tell the story?
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And so, film noir developed an increasingly
dense and rarefied visual vocabulary
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that had to do with
very strong single-source lighting,
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slashes of light, dark shadows, low angles...
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Extremely strong graphic elements
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that had kind of a primal simplicity to them
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We weren't expecting you, Mildred. Obviously
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John Alton is really one of the pre-eminent
film noir cinematographers
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ALLEN DAVIAU: Alton and the people
in film noir were not afraid of the dark
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In fact, they were willing to sketch things
just very, very, very slightly
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to see how you could use dark,
not as negative space,
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but as the most important
element in the scene
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We all have been influenced by that
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in terms of what's important
are the lights you don't turn on
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Go!
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Alton did one picture particularly
that I feel is very influential
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called The Big Combo
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which is a very simple, inelegant film,
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that is somewhat brutal in a way,
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but which incorporates these very sparse
lighting elements and graphic elements
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So that it is very much black and white
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There's very little grey in that movie
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You can take almost any sequence - and
certainly the final sequence in The Big Combo,
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which has as a single light source,
a searchlight going around this dockside
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It ends with a gunfight
taking place against that
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The final shot is a silhouette
walking out into sort of a grey dawn
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I mean, very stark imagery
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You end up at the end of the noir period with
a film like Touch of Evil by Orson Welles,
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which was enormously baroque
and complex in its style,
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but was still, basically, a film noir
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Told you I brought you up here for a reason
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ALLEN DAVIAU: Welles had caused
to be brought to Universal Studios
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one of these Eclair Caméflex
lightweight European cameras
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He had a very enthusiastic young operator
named Philip Lathrop
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and Lathrop got very into hand-holding this
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and working with Welles on these compositions
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You see some of the scenes and realise
how much hand-holding was done,
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but it's extremely seamless
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That film, in particular,
was an inspiration to all of us
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because it was a textbook
of what you could do
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It was shot on a small budget in
a short time, mostly on locations,
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and again you had,
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almost simultaneous
with the breakout in France of the New Wave,
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you had Orson Welles doing a New Wave film
in a Hollywood studio
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I think it's continued to be an inspiration
to a lot of film-makers
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Colour processes were always
being experimented with,
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from the very beginning of cinema,
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even before there was
a de facto colour process
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Film-makers occasionally hand-painted
frame by frame
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entire sequences or even entire films
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Then later in the silent period,
overall tinting for sequences,
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like blue for night, amber for dawn,
or whatever, was also practised
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And then during the '30s,
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Ray Rennahan photographed a film
called Mystery of the Wax Museum
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using a two-colour process,
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which incorporated two strips of film
running simultaneously through the camera
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Ray Rennahan had been doing some gorgeous
stuff with the two-colour process earlier,
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but when the three-colour process arrived,
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and they started to appreciate the fact
that this was something quite sophisticated,
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the interest in it grew
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The process was recognised as startling
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It was subtle and beautifully gradated
in its tonality
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Interest in it immediately grew and led to
some of the really crowning achievements
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of the late '30s and early '40s
in colour cinematography
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Another dance,
and my reputation will be lost for ever
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With enough courage,
you can do without a reputation
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Oh, you do talk scandalous!
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When Gone With the Wind came in,
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they started on what they
called the new film, a fast film
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But everything had to be lit with arcs
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And with this amount of light,
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it was very difficult
working under those conditions
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Victor Fleming, of course,
used to be a cameraman
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before he became a director
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and he knew the camera
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He knew the limitations
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Now, the shot of the station
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with all the dummies and the people dead,
436
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we had to have a special crane
that came up from Long Beach
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It was a long pole that they used, a derrick,
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and that was a difficult shot
439
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But I thought that was
one of the best shots in the picture
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For the people who had done black and white,
to go into colour,
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it was not only a technical adaption,
but it was a philosophical one
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Having to learn to see in black and white
is a very great discipline
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And to suddenly, after years and years
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of focusing all of your faculties
into being able to previsualise
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how a scene was going to appear
in black and white,
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and suddenly say,
"Oh, well, here it is in colour..."
447
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Black and white is a much more
immediately abstract medium
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It's removed from reality by its very nature
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And you're more free to associate
drama and tonality and so on
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inside black and white,
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and I think that's why many of them
never wanted to leave it
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Those of us who just missed our chance
to do black and white,
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I look forward to the day
when I get to do a black and white picture
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I have no doubt it's going to be difficult
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and I think that for us,
it's going to be going the other direction
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Shame on you, Ruby,
457
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mooning around the house
after that mad dog of a man
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Every one of the old-time DPs,
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like Charlie Clarke and Leon Shamroy
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and Arthur Miller and James Wong Howe,
the people I met and knew,
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they really thought of it as a job
and they thought of it as a craft
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And when you would talk to them about
any kind of art kind of thing,
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they would never kind
of admit to it being art
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They'd say, "Oh, yeah, we did this interesting
effect in the picture or that interesting effect."
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When you make a movie,
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you've got to have a screenplay, a story
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That story really dictates
to what we are going to do
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How to shoot it. How to photograph it
469
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How to direct it, how to act it
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Everyone is subservient to that
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We can go one way or the other,
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to get our own ideas in it
473
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but not get our personality in it
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Get these papers while they're hot!
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- Latest paper here!
- Come on, come on!
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Keep your sweatshirt on
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JAMES WONG HOWE: As a cameraman,
I try to keep the mechanics out of it
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Not to interfere with the scene
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And I try... really try to find
the most simple approach in lighting
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I don't want my photography to get in the way
of the story, of the acting
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I'll remember you, honey
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You're the one that got away
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I worked for James Wong Howe
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on second unit camera
on a picture called Picnic
485
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,594
I did a number of the game shots
486
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,108
and also the last shot of the film,
487
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,798
which was a helicopter shot
488
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,035
And at that time,
489
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,231
helicopters were not used for photography
490
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,875
The military, and the navy as a
matter of fact, just had helicopters
491
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,718
One of the best moments of my life
492
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,832
was when the dailies came on,
493
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,678
which was about three days later
494
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:42,438
It was Cinemascope at the time
495
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,153
And I was sitting next to Jimmy Howe
496
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,991
And my scene came up,
497
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,672
and it was quite spectacular,
498
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:54,713
particularly to an audience
who had not seen helicopter shots before
499
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,558
And Jimmy Howe said, "Very good, very good."
500
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,238
And so, even now, when I shoot,
501
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,750
when I do a shot that I really like,
502
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:09,148
I say in my ear the way Jimmy Howe
said to me, "Very good, very good."
503
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,592
No, leave room for the cake!
504
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,309
The anamorphic aspect ratio
was extremely horizontal
505
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,998
and rectangular
506
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:24,353
And films up until that time
had been composed in almost a square format
507
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,190
And now with this rather large
and sometimes empty anamorphic space,
508
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:33,233
it became confusing what to do
with the sides of the screen -
509
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,713
how much of it to use
510
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,150
And as you see more and more use
of Panavision and Cinemascope
511
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,918
in the late '50s and early '60s,
512
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,598
you start to feel the breadth,
513
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,029
the width of the frame being exploited
514
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,389
in a very exciting way
515
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,716
So, really, when you get to films
like Lawrence of Arabia,
516
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,150
you have the same kind of excitement
and dynamic energy
517
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,156
inside this very wide frame,
518
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,476
that you had
in the more square screen of the '40s
519
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,189
A lot of my generation had been
very impressed with films from Europe
520
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:15,310
We'd had an opportunity to see these
521
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,229
And our pioneers, Haskell Wexler
and Conrad Hall and so on,
522
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,750
who were giving us examples
of reacting to the European style
523
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,031
and later on, when you got
Vilmos Zsigmond and Laszlo Kovacs
524
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,676
and people that were coming from the
European tradition and shooting films here,
525
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:34,109
we got an appreciation of a style
526
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,517
that was so different
from that practised in the studios
527
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,075
I think the films of the French New Wave
really influenced me the most
528
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,874
They captured a sense of the life,
which was really wonderful,
529
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,196
by loosening up the camera and moving with it
530
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:50,753
They would not think anything
531
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,473
about picking up the
camera and running with it
532
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,317
It had almost a documentary feel...
533
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,871
...and so that sort of quality about it
would draw you into the film
534
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,876
in a way that, I think,
535
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,150
a more static camera would not
536
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,872
Which is not to say it's new,
537
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,879
because you go back and you look
at Napoleon that Abel Gance made in 1926,
538
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,595
and it has every new
idea you can conceive of,
539
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,278
even today,
540
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,959
with steadicams and everything else
541
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,072
He was swinging cameras from ropes
542
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,236
and inventing dollies and cranes
543
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,317
and doing all sorts of special effects
in the camera
544
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:33,115
Cinematographers
start studying new things in old things
545
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,798
to sort of invent a new way
546
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,511
I think that there was an evolution
547
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,634
and I think if a lot of these guys
had been younger,
548
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,673
that they would have probably shown us
a lot of very interesting stuff
549
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:49,358
I'll give a very good example
550
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,278
of what you're calling the "new style"
in the '60s
551
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,958
It's Robert Surtees
552
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,672
I mean, he did...
553
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:58,836
What's the wedding picture with...
554
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,677
with Dustin Hoffman?
555
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:02,711
Elaine!
556
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,512
The Graduate
557
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,676
I remember reading all these reviews
558
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,951
They're going, "Fresh, innovative,
exciting cinematography...
559
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,070
...Blah, blah, blah!"
560
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,236
Photographed by a 65-year-old man!
561
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,589
Because you have new tools,
562
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,076
the kind of person who is a cinematographer
563
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,758
is always pushing
564
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,712
You always want to explore,
to get yourself into trouble
565
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,830
and see how well you can fight your way out
566
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,232
I don't think that each cinematographer
can work with each director
567
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,397
There is a kind of selection
you do in where you're going
568
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,113
There is a kind of journey
that you are doing by yourself
569
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:52,028
You suddenly discover that on the same
direction you can meet other people
570
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,789
You can meet friends.
They can do this journey
571
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,910
You can meet people that can be your guide
572
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,190
for a portion of this journey
573
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,630
I think Bernado was one of those,
one of the most important
574
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,719
Before we started The Conformist,
Bernado called me
575
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,076
We started to talk about The Conformist
and he says, "Vittorio,
576
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,076
what we know about that period,
577
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,910
mainly we know that period, the late '30s,
through cinema."
578
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,598
So probably we have to use
579
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,395
everything that's been given to cinema
up to now, to that period,
580
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,149
and read from our point of view
581
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:48,268
We look at that moment at one of the
great masters in the American film industry
582
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,039
From Bernardo's point of view,
it was Orson Welles
583
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,832
From mine, it was Gregg Toland
584
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:13,238
Each cinematographer,
they did everything before my time
585
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,919
so I am the sum of the whole experience
586
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:26,072
JOHN BAILEY: The Conformist is almost
a compendium of all of cinema language
587
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,079
It incorporates almost all the design,
588
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,792
photographic,
589
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,671
editorial...
590
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:35,836
techniques that have been developed
591
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:41,273
And does so in a very coherent and clear way
592
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,872
The shift of so-called styles and techniques
in cinematography,
593
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,229
that happened right around the period of...
594
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,589
Connie Hall, Haskell Wexler,
595
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,234
Vilmos Zsigmond, Laszlo Kovacs, myself,
596
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,918
Gordon Willis,
597
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,918
it came about because of the directors
598
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,599
You started having new directors
599
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,996
who didn't want to work in the studio system
600
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,554
They wanted to go shoot pictures on location
601
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:19,629
Everything was very exciting and very crazy
in those days
602
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,796
because we had to make those films very fast
603
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,308
There was no time for it,
there was no money for it
604
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,511
The difference was with Easy Rider,
605
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,552
that we were able to really prepare
that production
606
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:38,358
We took a trip from Los Angeles
to New Orleans and scouted a lot of places
607
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:45,517
And suddenly you're exposed
to this incredible, incredible vast country,
608
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:52,955
which has such a wonderful transition
from one area to another,
609
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,356
and the visual sequence was wonderful
610
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,554
And that's how I learned
and got to know the country
611
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,998
And that's magical...
612
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,669
...to really break down
the country and all civilisation
613
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:14,439
to these pictorial elements
614
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,190
We were into images a little differently
than the old system
615
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:21,310
The lighting was a little different
616
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,396
We would try things and specially...
617
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,715
I worked with Connie Hall for five years
618
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,389
I was his camera operator for five years
and we did some great things, I think
619
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,630
I feel particularly involved
in helping make mistakes acceptable
620
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,037
to studio heads and other people
621
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,877
And the audience even
622
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,592
By using them
623
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,278
By blatantly,
624
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,039
not by mistakes or anything, but by endeavour
625
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,556
If the light shone in the lens,
and flared the lens,
626
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,353
that was considered a mistake
627
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,038
Somebody would report that
628
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,995
The operator would report, "The
sun hit the lens, it flared the lens. Cut!"
629
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,792
There was never a fear
630
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,799
Conrad would use so little light
that you'd barely see anything in a room
631
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,478
But you'd see it
632
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,192
There was nothing safe
633
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:13,037
Safe was never the word with him
634
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,358
Getting things too dark or not seeing eyes
and things like that
635
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,109
CONRAD HALL: Background too hot,
windows blown and things like that
636
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,631
that nobody would dare do
without getting fired in the slick old days
637
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,753
WILLIAM FRAKER:
The second picture I did with Connie
638
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,109
was a picture called The Professionals
639
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,151
Connie Hall was the cameraman
640
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,670
I was the camera operator
641
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:45,156
Jordan Cronenweth
was the assistant cameraman
642
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:50,274
And the second camera crew was
Charles Rosher Junior, and Robert Byrne
643
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,552
I like the work that we did on that
644
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,273
Unfortunately,
there was an awful lot of night
645
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:03,429
And night is always a conundrum
in photography. Day for night, I mean
646
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,471
Connie was so good at this,
647
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,308
that we shot night
of them escaping from Raza's compound
648
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,716
And then they jump in a coal
cart and take off during the night
649
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,197
And then they make the jump
and that was shot at the last part of day
650
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:20,912
and brought down
651
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:27,957
Connie was innovative and very daring...
but always extremely solid
652
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,355
He's got, I think, exquisite taste
653
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:36,559
And he can make that balance
between black and white, colour, day, night
654
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:42,116
And he just looks at it and he just has
that innate ability to do that
655
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,673
I think it's a gift
656
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,552
You're unlucky, bastard!
657
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,718
HALL: I don't think there was a choice about
shooting it in colour or black and white
658
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,275
There were still 112 pictures
being made in black and white that year
659
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,958
That was an easy choice
660
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,275
Doing it widescreen was a harder choice
661
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,959
- Hop in, boys. Where are you going?
- Come on. Get in
662
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:20,791
And we felt that it might be a really wonderful
proscenium to present this material in
663
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,472
He was in a fever
664
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,196
The scene where Robert Blake
is about to be hanged
665
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,117
and he's talking to the chaplain
666
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,435
It was shot on the stage
667
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,395
We had a rain gutter over the top
668
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,591
It was like coming down.
And we had a fan off to the side
669
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,395
which wasn't blowing the rain
against the window
670
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:51,913
but was blowing the spray from the rain
against the window
671
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:57,432
The light hitting his face with this
phenomenon happening on the windows,
672
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:02,998
happened to hit his face one time
when I was looking
673
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:08,398
So I went to Richard and I said,
"Richard, watch this on his face now."
674
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,078
And we did another rehearsal
675
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,193
And you can see the water running down
and it drips around
676
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:18,152
and he's talking about his father
and it's very sad
677
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,838
He's going to be hanged
678
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,235
But he's playing it very straight
679
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,952
Unemotional
680
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,468
And the visuals were crying for him
681
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,192
I hate him
682
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,752
And I love him
683
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:40,069
I've had so many cinematographers call me
and ask me how I did that shot
684
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,997
Well, I didn't conceive it at all
685
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,838
Richard didn't conceive
it. Nobody conceived it
686
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,678
It was purely a visual accident
687
00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:51,554
I think I was more afraid that I
couldn't do it the Hollywood way
688
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,036
than I was arrogant or convinced
689
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,392
that my way would be a cinematic advance
690
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,112
So I was trying to...
691
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,112
I was trying to wed the two
692
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,832
So, anyway, I married the SOB
693
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,518
I had it all planned out
694
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,596
First he'd take over the History Department
695
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,359
Then when Daddy retired,
he 'd take over the whole college
696
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,550
That was the way it was supposed to be
697
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,272
Getting angry, baby, huh?
698
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,038
What I knew was documentaries
699
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,594
What I knew was the simple way
700
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,200
What I knew is hand-holding
701
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:26,471
What I knew was how to light realistically
702
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,750
Because most of the time in documentaries,
703
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,518
you work with realistic light
704
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,630
The atmosphere was really different
705
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,910
And I was considered a kid
706
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,158
although I was in my 30s, I guess
707
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,077
No, sir, this is not normal at all
708
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,793
This is the truth. This really happened
709
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:50,392
I did help somewhat
in my knowledge of film cutting
710
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:56,436
I did help somewhat
in my knowledge of how a camera could move
711
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,393
And that also came from
my documentary background
712
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,318
I read in Richard Burton's autobiography
713
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,239
that he was against me
being the cameraman on Virginia Woolf
714
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:13,310
because he was afraid that
with my gutsy, newsreel-type background
715
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,478
that I would show the pockmarks on his face
and would be unkind to him
716
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,999
And that...
717
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:25,036
Elizabeth took my side and ultimately
he was pleased with the results
718
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,319
Some scenes came back
when we were shooting in New England,
719
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,592
which somebody at the lab felt was too dark,
720
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,710
and there was talk of firing me
721
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,036
A lot of this I found out later, fortunately
722
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,798
Then I told them I planned that
723
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,116
I wanted degrees of darkness
and degrees of fill light,
724
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,469
so that when the early morning light came,
725
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,990
we would have some subliminal sense
of a change in time
726
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:02,239
But there was a lot of heat on that film
727
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,319
I do not think that movies
should be made because of the dialogue
728
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,271
I think it should have a good story
729
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,630
The important thing has to be
how it is told visually
730
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,399
And dialogue should be like music in a film
731
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,278
You Joel McCabe?
732
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:26,992
Yeah
733
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,634
Mrs Miller. I've come to see you
734
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:37,395
McCabe and Mrs Miller was an excellent
example of being a partner with the director
735
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,716
Altman wanted to have
a special look for this movie
736
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,435
He didn't really know
exactly what he was looking for
737
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,948
And then when he started to talk about it,
738
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,310
he said that he had something in his mind
like old pictures,
739
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,874
old, faded colour photographs
740
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,957
I doubt if he knew what he was talking about
741
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,834
And I immediately started
to experiment with flashing
742
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,634
And I told him about flashing
and how we can desaturate the colours
743
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,240
and how he can achieve the faded look
744
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,718
Flashing is basically...
745
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,671
It's almost like fogging the film
746
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:19,632
Like putting a layer of fog over the negative
747
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,195
So, what happens is the blacks
are not going to be really black
748
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:25,071
It's going to be a sort of greyish
749
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,111
Because the blacks are not as black,
750
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,993
you see sort of into the shadow areas more
751
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,271
It also has another effect.
It desaturates the colours
752
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,710
Tell me, any news from down there?
It's been a while since...
753
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,069
How many men are there round here?
754
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,512
This here's an interesting town
755
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:49,112
I, myself, got a little bit tired of this
faded look and I started to tell him
756
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:54,518
that maybe we should not do the whole picture
this way, maybe we should have variation,
757
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,519
and he said, "Absolutely not.
We are not going to compromise
758
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,235
I'm behind you, I will defend you
against everybody in the world
759
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,589
if they come and complain about this look."
760
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,234
And, of course, the studio
complained about the look very much
761
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,392
Motion pictures were breaking away
from the Hollywood system
762
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,432
And you had the influence of the East Coast
763
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,278
You had the influence
of the foreign markets now
764
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,709
And you had directors like Roman Polanski
765
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,272
What have you done to it?
766
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,959
WILLIAM FRAKER:
Roman had a magnificent background -
767
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,956
he went to the Polish Film School -
768
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,310
and he had a magnificent background
in photography
769
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,749
He understood photography.
He understood images
770
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,234
And also with people
771
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,874
And emotions. He was tied with emotions
772
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,912
I won't let you go to no Doctor Hill
nobody ever heard of
773
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,351
The best is what you're gonna have,
young lady. Where's your telephone, huh?
774
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,038
It's in the bedroom
775
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,991
There's a shot in Rosemary's Baby
776
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,031
She says, "Where's the telephone?"
777
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,798
And Mia says, "In the bedroom."
778
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,912
And Ruth says, "Oh, good." And she exits
779
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,431
Roman says, "Billy, give me a POV of Ruth."
780
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,152
I got 'em framed perfectly
781
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,997
You see her on the phone talking
782
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,917
I said, "OK, Roman, we're ready."
783
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,757
He comes over and looks and says,
784
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,711
"No, Billy, no. Move, move, move."
785
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,398
Kindly move
786
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:37,471
And I looked through and I see just
the back of Ruth Gordon seated on the bed
787
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,715
And you can't see her face
or see the telephone
788
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,718
I said, "But you can't see her."
He says, "Exactly."
789
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,557
I said, "Oh, OK."
790
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,515
So, now, we go to the theatre
and 800 people in the theatre all go...
791
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,477
To see around the doorjamb
792
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,158
That's Roman Polanski
793
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,796
New York had a style all its own
and I call it a street style
794
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,512
It was something...
795
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,154
Because they didn't have the shops,
the labs,
796
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,350
the equipment that we had in Hollywood
797
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,152
And it developed its own styles
798
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,111
They didn't believe in diffusion
799
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,277
They didn't believe in
what they would do in Hollywood,
800
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,834
when you have to shoot
a major motion picture star
801
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,909
It was a situation in which,
for reasons of style and money and time,
802
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,315
they went into the streets
and shot in real places
803
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,079
And that probably is the beginning
804
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,715
of what is used in our time,
as that sort of New York look
805
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,077
WILLIAM FRAKER: Billy Daniels shot a picture
called The Naked City
806
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:52,514
At that time, there was a bunch of new lights
that had come up called fay lights
807
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,189
That's how we lit everything -
no arcs or anything else like that -
808
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:58,993
and he shot the whole picture
what I call a New York style
809
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,357
Aaargh!
810
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,194
Naked City, he went right into
their own back yard
811
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:16,073
and did exactly what they did, and did it
812
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,509
And then you copy those styles
813
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,198
How do you...?
814
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:26,598
How do you do better than On the Waterfront?
You don't
815
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:32,397
You believe that you were there.
You were part of that cold climate
816
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,158
You were part of the cold world
817
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,031
You were part of that whole thing
818
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,752
It had great blacks in it, too
819
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,756
People don't recognise the blacks
820
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,475
All the exterior stuff and the night stuff
had great, rich blacks
821
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,192
Look out for the truck!
822
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,872
When we shot in New York,
we had to improvise
823
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,436
Everything was done with something at hand,
something you might find in the street,
824
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,198
and the shooting is rough and tough
825
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:17,276
We moved in the streets all the time
826
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,757
I'm walking here!
I'm walking here! Up yours!
827
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,429
Dirty and gritty would
be my description of it
828
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,268
And it's evidence...
pictures like Midnight Cowboy.
829
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,108
Actually, that ain't a bad way
to pick up insurance, you know
830
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:42,031
I always say that Dog Day Afternoon
was shot with energy
831
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:48,155
Every scene has energy
from every point of view
832
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,156
From the actors
833
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,192
From the camera and its movement
834
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:58,872
Once we began to shoot,
835
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,469
there was no question, but that it
had to have a semi-documentary look
836
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,598
It had to be real
837
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,393
That the audience was
to believe that this was...
838
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,834
...this was not a story
839
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,348
that had happened before
that was being filmed
840
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,914
This is a story that's happening right now
841
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,076
And I think we succeeded in doing that
842
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,791
I met Marty
843
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,360
He was interviewing cameramen and we talked
844
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,118
And I had the advantage...
845
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,357
I think it had to be a union film
and it had to be in New York,
846
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,834
and it was quite a low-budget movie,
Taxi Driver
847
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,873
I had an advantage in that I really had
looked at a lot of Godard and European stuff,
848
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,195
so we could begin to talk the same language
849
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:56,472
And both of us happen to talk very fast,
so we could talk the same language rapidly
850
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,277
We shot it really quite economically
851
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:03,992
We didn't cover...
852
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,713
Marty knew not to cover certain things,
853
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,833
to make a shot which we knew was powerful
enough to say everything we wanted to say
854
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,518
Some dolly shot, something
855
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,998
Rather more of it than you think
was in the script
856
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,350
Schrader's script was extraordinarily visual
when you came to shoot it
857
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,951
There's a lot in there, in Schrader's script,
that helps you to figure out what to look at
858
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,310
The big overhead stuff and things at the end
859
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,636
are at least variations
on things that were in the script
860
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,509
Several people who, for whatever reason,
861
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:42,554
had some set of emotions about New York
that they wanted to unload,
862
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,272
happened to come together
863
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,118
I think that's the simplest and fairest way
to say it
864
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,758
I got The French Connection
865
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,918
Billy Friedkin was looking for somebody
to shoot The French Connection,
866
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,158
and they said what we've seen you do
is all high-key, fashiony-type stuff
867
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,430
between commercials and this feature
868
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,393
But this has to be a very gritty,
New York, street-type picture
869
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,112
Do you think you can do that?
870
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,789
My answer to 'em was,
"Well, I'm a cinematographer
871
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,513
I should be able to do
anything you want me to do."
872
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,551
And so I shot The French Connection
873
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,957
and after that came out, I was labelled
as a gritty, New York, street photographer
874
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,232
You're driving a tad rapidly
875
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,350
Don't worry. I'm a very good driver
876
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:51,873
I don't think starting a career or pursuing
a career in Hollywood on the West Coast
877
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,990
would have permitted me to pursue...
878
00:58:55,040 --> 00:59:00,068
...visual styles that I've pursued over a
period of time living on the East Coast
879
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,838
It's just a different...
880
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,518
...world
881
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,393
It was a different film-making world
for a long, long time
882
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,112
You're exceptional in bed,
883
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,357
because you get pleasure in every part
of your body when I touch it
884
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,188
Like the tip of your nose and if I
stroke your teeth or your kneecaps...
885
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,074
I assign the big break in
American cinematography to Gordon Willis
886
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,477
In that, I think, modern American
cinematography comes out of him very much
887
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,159
I just simply pictured things a different way
888
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,514
And in some cases it caused
a ruckus now and then
889
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,792
Because it's like saying, "We can't do that,
because that's never been done before."
890
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,276
I never did it in that spirit.
I just simply did it because I liked it
891
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,199
I want reliable people,
people that aren't going to be carried away
892
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,912
I mean, we're not murderers
893
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,032
His imprint on the film was indelible
when Godfather came out
894
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:55,870
I mean, that was a job of cinematography
that everybody couldn't help but notice
895
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,718
Bonasera
896
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,432
Bonasera,
897
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,553
what have I ever done
to make you treat me so disrespectfully?
898
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,112
GORDON WILLIS: A lot of things that I do
with overhead lighting,
899
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,355
or a lot of things with
that form of lighting,
900
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:17,474
actually came out of a necessity to deal with
Marlon Brando in a given kind of make-up
901
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:22,719
It was an example of designing something
to make one person work
902
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,150
and it was extended
throughout the rest of the movie
903
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,512
I got a lot of criticism, because they said,
"Well, you can't see Brando's eyes."
904
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,996
There were times in some of his scenes
905
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:38,033
where I deliberately
did not want to see his eyes
906
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,959
So that you saw this mysterious human being
907
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,912
thinking about something
or about to do something,
908
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,838
but you didn't really know
what the hell was going on
909
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,438
Gordon, the Prince of Darkness
910
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:55,589
I haven't... examined underexposing a lot,
because I'm terrified of it
911
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,636
But with people like Gordon
who know just how much to do it,
912
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,398
and all that kind of thing,
913
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,989
he has made an art of underexposure
914
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,471
I may have gone too far a couple of times
915
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,876
I think there was a scene
between Al and his mother,
916
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,115
who was played by Morgana King in Part II
917
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:20,798
I did one scene, I went too far
918
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,436
I think Rembrandt went too far
a couple of times!
919
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,118
It wasn't...
920
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:29,798
the fact that it was so dark
921
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:34,550
It was the fact that the studio said, "How
are we gonna show this at the drive-ins?"
922
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,318
That's the old attitude
923
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,032
You gotta put light in there
924
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,595
You gotta see the people,
because of the drive-ins
925
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,599
Well, the drive-ins were going out at
that time, so that didn't mean much to us
926
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,437
We're going to Jersey?
927
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:53,873
When I shot Godfather I,
my decision to use yellow in the movie...
928
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,434
The movie was very yellow
929
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:00,314
Yellow-red.
It bordered on this kind of brassy feeling
930
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,672
The reasons for that were
because I just thought it was right
931
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,632
But yellow broke out
in the motion picture business
932
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,592
related to period movies
for a long time after that
933
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,031
It's not one thing that you do
934
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,038
from a visual point of view
that makes anything work
935
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:23,793
The art direction has to be right
936
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,512
The wardrobe has to be right
937
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,471
The shot structure has to be right
938
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:32,479
And the lighting has to accommodate
whatever it is you're introducing
939
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,875
related to filtering, et cetera
940
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,310
So, you can't just do one thing
941
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,553
WILLIAM FRAKER:
There's no mistaking Gordy Willis' work
942
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:54,037
The magnificent thing that was done
was the fact that he came back to it after...
943
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:55,593
several years...
944
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,279
and came right in,
and you could put the three together
945
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:02,108
It's almost like, my gosh,
they never stopped making the picture
946
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,799
Which is, I think, a tribute
947
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:25,078
JOHN ALONZO: All cameramen throughout
the history of movies have taken risks
948
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,588
My current crop of cameramen
probably took more risks
949
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,713
only because we had better toys to play with
950
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,196
We had better lenses.
They were sharper and crisper
951
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,993
We could put a camera
where nobody had ever put one
952
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:41,672
Sorry
953
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,918
We shot a scene in Chinatown
with a hand-held Pentaflex inside a bathroom
954
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,598
In the old days, prior to that,
955
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,394
it would have been a bathroom on a stage
with the walls moving out
956
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,112
and you're stuck
957
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:58,154
But here, Polanski got a very intimate,
spontaneous behaviour from the actors
958
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,919
because the camera
was right in there with them
959
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:02,712
What about it, what?
960
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,433
There's something black
in the green part of your eye
961
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,152
Oh, that
962
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,838
It's a...
963
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,552
It's a flaw...
964
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,238
in the iris
965
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:18,751
That was a risk, a risk lightingwise, to
light something like that as if you're saying,
966
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,759
"Here's a major motion picture
and I'm lighting it like a documentary."
967
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,353
They'd gotten the idea to do Chinatown
in anamorphic
968
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,038
in the 235 aspect ratio
969
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:37,718
But Roman said to me,
970
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:42,117
"I want to use modern-day technology
to shoot a film about the past,
971
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,277
as it would look like
through my twentieth-century window,
972
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,754
I want to see what it looked like back then."
973
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,997
It meant that we shot
a close-up of Faye Dunaway this size
974
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,952
The lens was no more
than two-and-a-half feet away,
975
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,672
which was very intimidating
976
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:02,589
But Roman used that as a directing technique,
to intimidate the character of Evelyn Mulwray
977
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,512
My talent was to light her
as beautifully as possible
978
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,950
So I walked around a lot of times
with a hand-held key-light
979
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:14,039
If she moved this way, I'd move the light.
Roman loved that sort of thing
980
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:18,278
because he came from the Polish school
where they had to do things that way
981
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:22,029
And forcing me to do a hand-held shot,
when I didn't agree with him
982
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,277
I said, "It's going to be distracting."
But he was right
983
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,029
We would do things like force Jack Nicholson
to hit a certain mark,
984
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,595
and have the camera just behind his ear,
and format it that way
985
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,437
You'd force him to hit that mark
986
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,756
If he wouldn't hit that mark,
we'd do the scene over again
987
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,553
Because he wanted
that voyeuristic kind of look
988
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:47,152
His mind
was 24 hours a day at 78 rpm, thinking
989
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,794
Hello, Claude. Where'd you get the midget?
990
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,189
Not on how to make things complicated,
but how to make things better
991
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:06,599
When we undertook shooting Jaws,
we were sitting on the lot at Universal,
992
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,512
3,000 miles from where
we intended to shoot the picture,
993
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:16,032
trying to decide what kind of equipment
to take, how we would go about it
994
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,799
Watch him now! Starboard! Starboard!
995
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,237
Spielberg said,
"I want to nail this down on a tripod -
996
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,748
I don't want it wandering
all over the place."
997
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,236
I said, "Steven, that is not the way
to make a sea picture,
998
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,397
because people will be throwing up
in the aisles if you do that...
999
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,555
...so,
I think I will try to hand-hold the picture."
1000
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,311
And he couldn't believe
that I really intended to do that
1001
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:44,998
On Jaws,
1002
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:48,919
somewhere in one of those endless interviews
that he gives, Steve says...
1003
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:50,791
It was a joke we used to have on the set -
1004
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,116
that it was the most expensive
hand-held movie ever made
1005
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,515
On the ocean, almost all of it is hand-held,
1006
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,518
because they didn't have
steadicams in those days
1007
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,879
It was a great piece, a very fine
piece of operating, if you look at it
1008
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,718
If you think it was all hand-held
and how we did it
1009
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,432
I'm quite proud of it
1010
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,756
It was like being the MVP
or winning the Triple Crown
1011
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,155
Baseball metaphors come easily to operating
1012
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:28,197
We kept the camera at water level
whenever we could
1013
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,312
and it isn't something
that you will see immediately,
1014
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:37,037
but after a while you begin to feel that
that shark is maybe just under that water
1015
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:41,312
And by keeping the camera down close
to that water, we built into the picture
1016
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:46,115
a kind of atmosphere or feeling
that we wouldn't have gotten any other way
1017
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:01,710
I noticed that almost in every country,
cinematographers come from another country
1018
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,430
There is an attraction to the exoticism
1019
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,712
A foreigner, whether he's from Europe
or from any place,
1020
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,638
has a fresh eye to look at another country
1021
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:21,312
And perhaps he distinguishes, he sees better
what's interesting about another country
1022
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:25,148
I really liked staying with you.
You were so much fun. I love you, OK
1023
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,875
I want you to be really good.
I don't want you to do anything wrong
1024
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:33,277
If you do, I'll come back and get you.
All right? I love you
1025
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,992
He told me it would be a very visual movie
1026
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,429
He said that. The film will be a visual film
1027
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:49,438
The story will be told through visuals
1028
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,595
Very few people really want
to give that priority to the image
1029
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:01,794
Usually, directors give the
priority to the actors and to the story
1030
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,559
But here the story was told really
through images
1031
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,398
Hey!
1032
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:10,758
In the period movies,
1033
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,995
there was no electricity -
1034
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,429
at least before electricity was invented -
1035
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:19,233
and in consequence there was less light
1036
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,919
Period movies should have less light
1037
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:26,556
And I think a period movie,
the light has to come from the windows
1038
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,558
That's how people lived
1039
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:36,317
"Magic hour" is a euphemism,
because it's not an hour
1040
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,318
It's about 20 or 25 minutes at the most
1041
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,828
It is the moment when the sun sets
1042
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,031
And after the sun sets, before it is night,
1043
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:47,718
the skies have light
1044
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,115
But there is no actual sun
1045
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:54,438
and the light is very, very soft
1046
01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:57,789
and there's something, as you say, magic
1047
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:59,831
It limited us to 20 useful minutes a day
1048
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,518
But it did pay on the screen
1049
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,314
It gave some kind of magic look to it,
a beauty of it, a romanticism
1050
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:10,990
Something that colour could do
much better than black and white
1051
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,510
At the time of Days of Heaven,
which was 1976,
1052
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,198
when we shot the movie -
1053
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:18,912
the film came out in '78 or '79,
1054
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,598
but we shot it in '76 -
1055
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,393
film was not as sensitive as it is today
1056
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:28,673
Today you can actually shoot with
a kerosene lamp with actually kerosene flame
1057
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:35,159
But at the time, we had to put
an electric bulb inside those lights
1058
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:40,433
But the important thing is that, actually,
the light was coming from the lamps
1059
01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:42,914
That was what I think was modern
1060
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,555
Because you see any other movie
of the old times
1061
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,479
like, for instance, a marvellous movie
like Sunrise, a silent movie,
1062
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:55,594
and the scene when they are looking
for the girl in the lake, supposedly drowned
1063
01:10:55,640 --> 01:11:00,509
And they go with lamps and those lamps,
they give no light. They're just props
1064
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,155
They're props and the audience
has to believe they give light
1065
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,953
But they were just very weak
1066
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:15,035
On Days of Heaven, I had the privilege
of seeing footage that Nestor shot in the lab
1067
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:18,629
Because Nestor knew he had to leave
to go with Truffaut
1068
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,309
And so, when Terry Malick
called me up and said,
1069
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:26,512
"We want you to come up here
and do this picture, Nestor has to go,"
1070
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,994
I was dying to go
1071
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:34,192
I did some hand-held shots with the Pentaflex
in Days of Heaven
1072
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:41,835
The opening of the film in the steel mill, I
did... personally hand-held with the Pentaflex
1073
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,518
I used some diffusion
1074
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,155
Nestor didn't use any diffusion on it
1075
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:49,872
The moment I see a movie that...
1076
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,276
I start seeing a movie that has a fog filter,
1077
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,915
I usually stay ten minutes, then I leave
I think that's enough
1078
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,918
I hate that kind of thing,
because it's so easy
1079
01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:03,157
I felt very guilty about using the diffusion
1080
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,634
And it wasn't that heavy diffusion,
1081
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:12,711
but I remember having that feeling
of sort of violating a fellow cameraman
1082
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:18,436
But now Nestor knows I'm on film or tape
1083
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:28,719
After ten rounds,
1084
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:32,833
Judge Rossi, eight to two, La Motta
1085
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,636
Judge Murphy, seven to three, La Motta
1086
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:44,313
CHAPMAN: If you look at Raging Bull, I based it
very specifically on Life Magazine photographs,
1087
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:48,353
big still photos of the '40s
1088
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:52,109
That's what people of my generation
and Marty's,
1089
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,594
though he's younger, remember fights as
1090
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,916
They remember them as big flash photos
in Life Magazine
1091
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,310
We were really showing off
1092
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,079
We panned 360 this way
when he went that way
1093
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,032
We started at 24 frames,
and then we went to 48 frames
1094
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:10,911
and then back to 24 frames
1095
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,076
Jake knocks somebody out in 24 frames,
1096
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:18,511
and then he walks over to a neutral corner.
And 48 frames, all in the same shot
1097
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,198
We made a kind of rule
1098
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,232
that when we were actually fighting,
we would try...
1099
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,919
In the actual fights,
we'd try to do it 24 frames
1100
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:27,712
Although we tried to cheat it
1101
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:31,230
and it got really operatic towards the end
with Sugar Ray Robinson
1102
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:35,193
But, in general, we tried to make
the actual fight time be in 24 frames
1103
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:36,912
And...
1104
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,190
save the overcrank,
1105
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,516
the really overcranked stuff
for when he's in the corner,
1106
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:46,678
or in this case, for when he is not actually
fighting, but breathing against the ropes
1107
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,679
When he goes back into
the real time of fighting, we go back to 24
1108
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:58,798
We had about...
1109
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:00,831
God, I don't know, dozens of fights
1110
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,189
And we had a different style for each one
1111
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:04,912
And one was all going to be...
1112
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,598
One was all going to be...
1113
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,392
like this and like this
1114
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:10,158
With a fairly long lens
1115
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:14,398
One was going to be all following him around.
One was going to be steadicam
1116
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,552
He started in the dressing room
1117
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,989
He walks all the way. We lit the whole thing
1118
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,555
And he stands on a big crane
and the crane lifts him up in the air
1119
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,750
It was great fun. It was wonderful fun
1120
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,839
It was an example of that thing
that Marty can really do like no-one else
1121
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,589
Know what the emotional story-telling shot
is really going to be,
1122
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,438
and that you don't need to do anything
but this one shot
1123
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:39,756
And it's so good and so evocative,
it's so powerful emotionally
1124
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,713
that it'll get you from A to B
without any coverage, without any worry
1125
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:06,518
For the Middleweight
Championship of the World, 15 rounds!
1126
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:10,269
Photography is a single art
1127
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:11,958
Like painting
1128
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:13,672
Like writing. Like music
1129
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,553
Cinematography is a common art
1130
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,272
I think it's...
1131
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:22,233
It's not an art form that can be expressed
by one single person
1132
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,669
So, of course, there is the director,
1133
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:31,875
which is like the main author
of the entire common expression,
1134
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:36,436
because even if several persons
express themself in the same art form,
1135
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:38,710
everybody can go in different directions
1136
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,069
So, from the writer to the musician,
1137
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,918
to the production design,
to the costume design,
1138
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,076
to the cinematographer, to the editor,
1139
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:47,917
someone should be responsible
1140
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,236
Just go by like you're fighting!
Don't look at the camera!
1141
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:52,918
Just go through! Go through!
1142
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:58,948
Apocalypse Now was really a closing chapter
1143
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,672
Very specific
1144
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,756
Not only because it was the longest,
1145
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,472
it was the most far away,
1146
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:06,158
it was the most difficult,
1147
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:10,079
it was the most expensive,
it was the most dangerous movie ever done
1148
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,680
But also it was probably
the most emotional one
1149
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:20,319
Mainly the first section of my light
was merely dealing with light
1150
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:25,878
With all these possibilities the light has
to express itself
1151
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:33,195
To show on screen
the incredible source of light,
1152
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,356
the great generator with lamps,
1153
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,119
into the jungle
1154
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,954
Very sharp light, very soft light
1155
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,195
Very warm light, very cold light
1156
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,231
Very artificial, very natural
1157
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:52,034
Both.
All the time, I was working with the opposite
1158
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:02,114
Francis was shooting Apocalypse Now
in the Philippines
1159
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:03,832
And he called me up
1160
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:07,270
and he wanted me to come over
and photograph the second unit
1161
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:12,713
Every time I went out, I tried to do it in
the spirit of the way that they would do it
1162
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,115
That was always the utmost thing in my mind
1163
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:19,119
And they were always great.
Vittorio would always egg me on
1164
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:20,832
He was always very cute
1165
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,758
He'd go,
"Steve, we're stuck here with all this stuff
1166
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,917
You can go out with this camera
and you can get all this great stuff
1167
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,474
Do something wonderful. Give us some ideas."
1168
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:33,513
He gave me all this encouragement
to do whatever I wanted to do
1169
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:40,796
And yet I felt very responsible that what I
did had to mesh seamlessly with what he did
1170
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,032
VITTORIO STORARO: I understood...
1171
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:49,756
...how it could be important to travel,
to go into another country
1172
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:51,472
To use another language
1173
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,158
To use another industry
1174
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,316
To interchange energy
1175
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:09,551
There was one idea came to my mind
1176
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:15,839
There was a possibility to make an analogy
between the life and light
1177
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:20,919
The journey that Pu Yi was doing into himself
1178
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:24,316
could be represented
with the different stage...
1179
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:28,035
with the different stage of light.
Different colours
1180
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:34,110
The first time, he was cutting his own vein,
1181
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,152
and you see for the first time red
1182
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,077
Red is the colour of the beginning
1183
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,997
The colour when we're born
1184
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:42,678
He was borning
1185
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:44,312
See the blood
1186
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,079
He was, remember, being born as an emperor
1187
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:54,432
We go into the scene when the people
with the torches are arriving to pick up him
1188
01:18:55,480 --> 01:18:57,311
When we see orange in the picture,
1189
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,238
it is the warm colour of the family
1190
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:03,475
It is the colour of the Forbidden City
1191
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:13,551
I was using all the lights around the young
Pu Yi to get the feeling of family. Ofwarm
1192
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,956
Of maternal embrace
1193
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,192
Yellow...
1194
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,276
is the colour of our identity
1195
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,675
When we come conscious
1196
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,950
Is the colour it represents the emperor
1197
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,675
Is the colour that more leads the light
1198
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:35,110
That more represents the sun itself
1199
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:36,832
Hoi!
1200
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:38,518
Green...
1201
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,278
is knowledge
1202
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,471
We see green the first time
only when the tutor is coming
1203
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,080
He brings a green bicycle
1204
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,430
It's the knowledge of something
1205
01:19:49,480 --> 01:19:54,110
Up to that moment,
Pu Yi was living in the Forbidden City
1206
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,435
It was kind of a forbidden colour for him
1207
01:19:57,480 --> 01:20:01,632
He didn't know anything about
one section of the colour spectrum
1208
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:03,318
Green, blue, indigo, violet
1209
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,237
He know only red, orange, yellow
1210
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,316
The emperor shouldn't know anything
1211
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,078
Should know only portion of it
1212
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:10,917
Because knowledge can hurt him
1213
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:18,395
I export our feeling...
1214
01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:21,032
in his way of seeing
1215
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:25,915
and I re-import once again
all the experience back to him
1216
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,076
Back to Italian cinema
1217
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,669
Back to Last Emperor
1218
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,633
And I understood that at that moment
that cinema really has no nationality
1219
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,030
MICHAEL BALLHAUS: There are
different ways to work with a director
1220
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,679
I had this wonderful working relationship
1221
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:03,033
with Marty Scorsese, which, I think,
is the most visual director
1222
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:05,674
of all the directors I've worked with
1223
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,548
When we start a movie,
he knows what he wants. It's in his head
1224
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:23,553
The way Marty works
is that he gives you a shot list
1225
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:28,230
It's basically to determine the
rhythm of a scene. What he wants
1226
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,829
He describes the shot.
Close-up. Tracking shot
1227
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,952
And when it's getting
a little more complicated, shots,
1228
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,276
then sometimes he makes a little drawing,
of how he wants it,
1229
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,436
or he has a reference to another movie
1230
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:44,109
He says, "Why don't you look at this shot
in this-and-this movie?
1231
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,435
Something like this we should do here."
1232
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:48,118
Father,
1233
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:51,948
why have you forsaken me?
1234
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:56,232
I remember a shot
that Marty hasn't done before
1235
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,192
And he wasn't quite sure if it would work
1236
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:08,239
There was a shot in Goodfellas, when De Niro
and Ray Liotta are sitting in that cafe,
1237
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:14,435
where he finds out that if he goes to
where De Niro tells him to go,
1238
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:16,118
he will be killed
1239
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:19,994
That this is the end of
their relationship in a way
1240
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,474
MOVIE VOICEOVER:
I got there 15 minutes early
1241
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:24,636
and I saw that Jimmy was already there
1242
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,672
MICHAEL BALLHAUS:
And what we did is that...
1243
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,678
We did a tracking-back, zooming-in shot,
1244
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,598
where the frame actually did not change
1245
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,278
It starts on a two-shot,
1246
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,117
and we pulled back and zoomed in,
1247
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,879
but the background changed totally
1248
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,310
And this was something
that is quite interesting,
1249
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,032
because it tells you a story
1250
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,514
You just start thinking, "What's going on?"
1251
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:52,712
Something is changing here, but
they still sit there in their booth and talk
1252
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,638
But the world around them changes
1253
01:22:55,680 --> 01:23:01,152
And I think this is something that I
really like to do, and then Marty loved it
1254
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,760
It's a matter of bouncing
ideas back and forth
1255
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:07,156
I mean, certainly, you know, it's never easy
1256
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:08,872
It's never perfect
1257
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:14,950
There's always disputes
about how light or dark it should be
1258
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:16,513
How tight a close-up should be
1259
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:23,076
Well, Eraserhead was a film
that was in David Lynch's mind
1260
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,475
right from the beginning
1261
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:32,119
And, I think, my job as the cinematographer
became to find ways to extract it and to...
1262
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:40,150
...to have him explain
how it should look in great detail
1263
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:42,872
How the camera should move
1264
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,832
What the mood
and the feeling of the light should be
1265
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:49,077
We found that we could say
this is a dark corner,
1266
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:50,758
and it's not just dark,
1267
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,075
it's very, very dark
1268
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:56,749
And we would talk about how dark was dark
1269
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:19,671
I think the advantage of Blue Velvet was
that we had a lot of time to think about it
1270
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,029
David had written the script for a studio
1271
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:24,957
It didn't get picked up to be made
1272
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:26,638
Nothing happened for a while
1273
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:28,352
and so I read it and we talked
1274
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:30,038
And we would talk about...
1275
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,548
what's the small town look like?
1276
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:34,397
Have you ever seen one like this?
1277
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,838
What do these characters do in this town?
1278
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:42,793
What's Dorothy's apartment look like?
Since we spend so much time in there
1279
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:44,512
What's the feeling of it?
1280
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:48,997
Because so many strange things
happen in that place
1281
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:52,830
What's it look like? What colour is it?
1282
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,953
We just could bounce ideas around
for a couple of years, which was great
1283
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,638
You don't often have this
1284
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,596
Radio Raheem!
1285
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,238
The first thing that Spike said to me
about Do the Right Thing,
1286
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,113
he said, "This film is set
on the hottest day of the summer
1287
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:19,037
How do we make the audience feel heat?"
1288
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,589
Dealing with it in a realistic treatment,
1289
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:25,437
I don't think would have done it
1290
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:31,635
We had one block in Brooklyn
that was going to be our studio
1291
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:33,511
And we could control the colour
1292
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,835
We controlled the colour of the costumes
1293
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,553
We renovated some of the houses there
1294
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:42,513
and determined
what colours were going to be there
1295
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:45,872
It's manufacturing reality,
1296
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,595
heightening the reality,
to get the audience to feel a certain way
1297
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:51,198
Yo, Ahmad!
1298
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,629
I think Do the Right Thing was the first film
1299
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:59,390
where I really had the luxury
of waiting for the light
1300
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:03,638
A lot of the time I spent planning certain
scenes to be shot at certain times of the day
1301
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,797
because the film takes place in one day,
1302
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:08,512
on one block...
1303
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,279
...where changes in light
are going to be very obvious
1304
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,039
You the man. I'm just visiting
1305
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:17,838
I think Spike trusts me a lot
1306
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:20,791
I think the trust has grown
1307
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,195
I think it's really vital to him,
1308
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:28,314
because he does have to give up the directing
reins and get in front of the camera quite a bit
1309
01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:32,916
And when he does that,
he relies upon me to be his objective eye
1310
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:38,353
The director is going to be
the author of the performances of the film,
1311
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,038
the story of the film
1312
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,550
The cinematographer is the author
of the use of light in the film
1313
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,194
and how that contributes to the story
1314
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:57,275
CALEB DESCHANEL:
Suddenly you're aware of the fact
1315
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:00,596
that things are not exactly as they seem
1316
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,154
In other words,
you create a representation of it
1317
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:05,111
and lots of times, that representation
1318
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,594
is more emotional than it is real
1319
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,428
Oftentimes, we're asked to imitate others
1320
01:27:11,480 --> 01:27:14,756
and it's always a little bit disconcerting
1321
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:18,509
to be asked to completely
imitate another film
1322
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:20,596
I think we all learn from other films
1323
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:24,189
and try and emulate
certain DPs who are very good
1324
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:32,071
But the DPs who really do something different
every time are the most amazing
1325
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,233
I think today in motion picture technology
1326
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:40,953
we're really at a precipice,
1327
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:46,472
a jumping-off point into an unknown
but possibly very exciting future
1328
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:52,550
In the same way that, the '50s, when
Cinemascope and widescreen Cinerama,
1329
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:54,511
Technirama, all these new formats,
1330
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,597
really shook up the whole way
we were looking at films
1331
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,234
We have that opportunity now
1332
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,272
Someone once said
that the lighting and the look of a film
1333
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:06,995
makes the pauses
speak as eloquently as the words
1334
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:14,908
That you have moments in films that happen
because of what is there visually
1335
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,679
How someone is lit or not lit
1336
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,234
You put something
in an audience's mind visually,
1337
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:26,991
and they will carry away images
as well as the words
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