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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:17,917 --> 00:00:20,986 Andrew Gustafson lived in Townsend, Massachusetts with 2 00:00:20,986 --> 00:00:22,883 his wife and his two children. 3 00:00:26,641 --> 00:00:29,572 He was trying to get in touch with his wife, and he was 4 00:00:29,572 --> 00:00:32,572 calling the house in Townsend, but she wasn't picking up, 5 00:00:32,572 --> 00:00:33,745 so he was concerned. 6 00:00:42,503 --> 00:00:45,434 He came home, and he found no sign of life at the house. 7 00:00:52,710 --> 00:00:54,986 He called for his wife, no answer. 8 00:00:56,952 --> 00:00:58,848 Called for his children, no answer. 9 00:01:01,296 --> 00:01:03,745 So he had this feeling of dread inside him. 10 00:01:07,124 --> 00:01:08,986 He went upstairs to the bedroom 11 00:01:14,710 --> 00:01:18,262 and his wife was lying face down on the bed with a bloody 12 00:01:18,262 --> 00:01:19,848 pillow on top of her head. 13 00:01:21,607 --> 00:01:24,158 He didn't have it in him to go looking for the children so 14 00:01:24,158 --> 00:01:26,434 he called the police and waited for them outside. 15 00:01:27,917 --> 00:01:30,469 This was just a horrific, horrific scene and something 16 00:01:30,469 --> 00:01:33,607 that does not happen in little New England towns like this. 17 00:01:33,607 --> 00:01:37,021 So people were terrified. The entire area was terrified. 18 00:02:29,917 --> 00:02:32,158 On December 1st, 1987, 19 00:02:33,331 --> 00:02:35,158 when the police arrived, 20 00:02:36,089 --> 00:02:39,124 Andrew Gustafson told them that his wife was dead upstairs. 21 00:02:40,503 --> 00:02:42,331 She was also several months pregnant. 22 00:02:43,710 --> 00:02:46,193 And they questioned him, "How do you know she's dead?" 23 00:02:46,193 --> 00:02:49,572 And he said that he just knew 24 00:02:49,572 --> 00:02:52,021 and said that his children were probably dead too, 25 00:02:52,021 --> 00:02:53,365 but he hadn't gone to look for them. 26 00:02:53,365 --> 00:02:55,848 So the police didn't know what was going on. 27 00:02:59,710 --> 00:03:02,193 I was notified by the state police headquarters of 28 00:03:02,193 --> 00:03:04,158 an unattended death in Townsend. 29 00:03:05,607 --> 00:03:09,710 We went upstairs, and in the bedroom, I observed 30 00:03:09,710 --> 00:03:13,296 the body of Priscilla Gustafson on the bed. 31 00:03:15,607 --> 00:03:18,400 I saw what appeared to be bullet holes in the back of 32 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,124 the pillowcase, or the pillows that were on her head. 33 00:03:23,262 --> 00:03:24,641 She was partially clothed. 34 00:03:25,503 --> 00:03:27,607 One hand was tied to one of the bedposts, 35 00:03:27,607 --> 00:03:31,917 and on the nightstand was a half empty bottle of beer, 36 00:03:31,917 --> 00:03:34,400 which I thought was very strange, 37 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,365 and an open condom packet. 38 00:03:50,952 --> 00:03:53,400 When I went to the upstairs bathroom, 39 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,952 I saw the body of a young boy, 40 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,331 five years old, face down in the bathtub. 41 00:04:02,503 --> 00:04:06,124 We do try to compartmentalize those types of scenes 42 00:04:07,089 --> 00:04:10,021 so it doesn't affect the job that we do. 43 00:04:10,021 --> 00:04:13,538 But I just have a vivid memory of that little boy in the tub. 44 00:04:20,503 --> 00:04:21,952 And on the first floor, 45 00:04:23,917 --> 00:04:26,331 was the body of a young girl, 46 00:04:27,331 --> 00:04:28,572 fully clothed, 47 00:04:29,296 --> 00:04:31,434 drowned in the downstairs bathtub. 48 00:04:35,503 --> 00:04:39,400 To think what it would take to drown William and Abigail, 49 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,883 just two innocent children, and not just killing them, 50 00:04:42,883 --> 00:04:43,986 but drowning them. 51 00:04:43,986 --> 00:04:46,296 That's physically, hands-on, holding somebody 52 00:04:46,296 --> 00:04:48,400 under the water until they die. 53 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,779 For someone to do that, there's, there's, I mean, 54 00:04:51,779 --> 00:04:53,917 it's beyond words, it's beyond evil. 55 00:04:57,814 --> 00:04:59,814 Andrew Gustafson was an attorney, 56 00:04:59,814 --> 00:05:01,365 was married to Priscilla. 57 00:05:01,365 --> 00:05:03,607 She taught Sunday school and kindergarten. 58 00:05:03,607 --> 00:05:06,021 She was well-liked in the community, 59 00:05:07,124 --> 00:05:08,986 and they seemed like they had an idyllic life. 60 00:05:12,227 --> 00:05:14,917 But as a homicide detective, you have to start from the very 61 00:05:14,917 --> 00:05:19,400 closest circle to the people who knew the victim. 62 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,227 In this case, no one was above suspicion. 63 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,883 While police checked out Andrew Gustafson's alibi, 64 00:05:28,883 --> 00:05:31,538 almost immediately, word spread. 65 00:05:34,193 --> 00:05:36,400 I mean, Townsend, Massachusetts is small-town 66 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,469 America, even though it's only 30 miles outside of Boston. 67 00:05:39,469 --> 00:05:41,400 This is kind of Americana. 68 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,503 A lot of the cemeteries in this area go back to the 1600s, 69 00:05:45,503 --> 00:05:47,607 and so it has a really long history. 70 00:05:47,607 --> 00:05:51,779 It's a safe, quaint little New England town. 71 00:05:51,779 --> 00:05:54,503 And Townsend only had, in the '80s, probably 72 00:05:54,503 --> 00:05:56,021 10,000 people. 73 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,296 This is your home for original reporting. 74 00:06:01,296 --> 00:06:04,365 The murder was so horrific, it drew the attention of 75 00:06:04,365 --> 00:06:09,021 the Boston media, some national media, and the media descended 76 00:06:09,021 --> 00:06:10,365 upon that little town. 77 00:06:11,538 --> 00:06:14,710 Everywhere you turned, there was a sense of fear, 78 00:06:14,710 --> 00:06:16,607 a sense of-- am I safe 79 00:06:16,607 --> 00:06:18,538 in this little town that I grew up in? 80 00:06:20,434 --> 00:06:21,814 People were locking their doors. 81 00:06:21,814 --> 00:06:22,917 If they owned guns, 82 00:06:22,917 --> 00:06:24,365 they were making sure they were loaded. 83 00:06:25,296 --> 00:06:27,296 Everybody was looking out for their neighbors. 84 00:06:27,296 --> 00:06:29,952 People were looking out for anything suspicious. 85 00:06:31,434 --> 00:06:33,021 The entire area was on edge. 86 00:06:40,745 --> 00:06:43,917 So police checked out Andrew Gustafson's alibi, 87 00:06:43,917 --> 00:06:48,503 and it became clear he was not involved in the murders. 88 00:06:48,503 --> 00:06:53,296 This poor man lost his wife, lost his baby, and lost his two 89 00:06:53,296 --> 00:06:57,814 children all at the same time with no known motive. 90 00:06:57,814 --> 00:07:00,607 It must have been just the worst possible day that 91 00:07:00,607 --> 00:07:01,848 anyone can imagine. 92 00:07:06,710 --> 00:07:09,814 So Andrew Gustafson spoke to the police, and he recalled 93 00:07:09,814 --> 00:07:12,021 that there were things missing from the house, and they'd had 94 00:07:12,021 --> 00:07:15,158 a burglary in recent days prior to the murders 95 00:07:16,193 --> 00:07:19,021 where a cable box had been missing, where there'd been 96 00:07:19,021 --> 00:07:22,469 a glass of beer or a drink left out in the house. 97 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,021 Things that didn't seem that serious at the time, 98 00:07:26,021 --> 00:07:27,676 now took on importance. 99 00:07:29,021 --> 00:07:31,365 Police knew that there'd been a string of burglaries 100 00:07:31,365 --> 00:07:32,676 in the area, 101 00:07:33,607 --> 00:07:35,503 so when Andrew Gustafson told the police about 102 00:07:35,503 --> 00:07:37,814 the prior burglary, immediately they thought these 103 00:07:37,814 --> 00:07:39,021 might be linked. 104 00:07:42,021 --> 00:07:44,021 The police had a working theory 105 00:07:45,124 --> 00:07:48,572 that Priscilla and William had come home and caught 106 00:07:48,572 --> 00:07:51,607 the burglar there and that this had been an impulsive crime. 107 00:07:54,745 --> 00:07:58,641 Abigail came home later, she was the last one killed. 108 00:08:00,641 --> 00:08:03,779 Police were looking at this as possibly just being 109 00:08:03,779 --> 00:08:05,227 an interrupted burglary. 110 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,227 But everybody knew that we had a killer on the loose. 111 00:08:10,434 --> 00:08:13,193 No one knew where he was going to show up or what horrible 112 00:08:13,193 --> 00:08:14,572 crime would happen next. 113 00:08:16,607 --> 00:08:20,055 During that time, I was a police lieutenant from 114 00:08:20,055 --> 00:08:22,814 the town of Pepperell, Massachusetts. 115 00:08:22,814 --> 00:08:25,779 When I heard of the murders and the nature of the murders, 116 00:08:25,779 --> 00:08:29,158 it sounded like something Daniel LaPlante would do. 117 00:08:30,227 --> 00:08:32,848 And I think he was entertained by such things. 118 00:08:34,021 --> 00:08:38,021 We had already arrested him on the charges of kidnapping. 119 00:08:39,021 --> 00:08:41,262 He was certainly a person of interest based on 120 00:08:41,262 --> 00:08:43,503 his violent past. All rise. 121 00:08:43,503 --> 00:08:45,710 But this guy is a juvenile. 122 00:08:45,710 --> 00:08:49,021 Daniel LaPlante was only a 17-year-old boy. 123 00:08:49,021 --> 00:08:52,296 But he was no ordinary teenager. 124 00:08:52,296 --> 00:08:54,434 He was a dangerous individual, 125 00:08:55,227 --> 00:08:57,848 cold, calculating, 126 00:08:58,814 --> 00:09:01,021 a very, very smart young man. 127 00:09:01,952 --> 00:09:04,952 He was on a path of escalation. 128 00:09:07,814 --> 00:09:09,400 His criminal acts went from 129 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,158 routine breaking and enterings to 130 00:09:13,089 --> 00:09:15,503 the most sinister and bizarre acts that 131 00:09:15,503 --> 00:09:17,262 I had ever experienced. 132 00:09:35,641 --> 00:09:38,572 Everybody knew that a killer was out and on the run, 133 00:09:40,296 --> 00:09:42,365 And everybody was looking over their shoulders. 134 00:09:43,883 --> 00:09:46,021 Police told people to stay indoors. 135 00:09:46,021 --> 00:09:47,779 They told people to keep their doors locked. 136 00:09:47,779 --> 00:09:52,021 Police had no idea what was motivating the killer. 137 00:09:52,021 --> 00:09:54,814 The fact that there had been a string of local burglaries 138 00:09:54,814 --> 00:09:57,814 seemed like it was related because of the prior burglary 139 00:09:57,814 --> 00:09:59,262 in the Gustafson's home. 140 00:10:00,193 --> 00:10:02,296 But were these even related to the burglaries? 141 00:10:02,296 --> 00:10:03,952 They really had no idea. 142 00:10:05,296 --> 00:10:07,848 We developed a list of the usual suspects. 143 00:10:09,021 --> 00:10:10,779 And I use that term very loosely. 144 00:10:10,779 --> 00:10:13,607 It's people who had criminal background, who have committed 145 00:10:13,607 --> 00:10:16,331 violent crimes, who have been breaking into houses. 146 00:10:18,193 --> 00:10:20,572 17-year-old Daniel LaPlante was on that list. 147 00:10:21,814 --> 00:10:25,400 We found out the house breaks, including stealing guns out of 148 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,952 houses, all started to occur after he got released on bail. 149 00:10:30,193 --> 00:10:32,021 We were starting to put pieces together. 150 00:10:35,538 --> 00:10:39,262 A couple of detectives found him at a library in Townsend. 151 00:10:39,262 --> 00:10:43,365 So they went and spoke to him, and they didn't 152 00:10:43,365 --> 00:10:46,193 have a great feeling on the interview. 153 00:10:46,193 --> 00:10:48,814 He told them that he had an alibi, that he'd been at 154 00:10:48,814 --> 00:10:51,193 a birthday party, and there were other people 155 00:10:51,193 --> 00:10:52,469 who could corroborate that. 156 00:10:52,469 --> 00:10:55,434 But he seemed a little jumpy, so police were suspicious. 157 00:10:56,710 --> 00:10:58,434 And then he just fled. 158 00:11:00,503 --> 00:11:02,021 He was a person of interest, 159 00:11:02,917 --> 00:11:05,331 but we didn't have evidence that tied him to the scene. 160 00:11:06,124 --> 00:11:08,779 So we needed to gather as much information about 161 00:11:08,779 --> 00:11:10,779 Daniel LaPlante as we can. 162 00:11:10,779 --> 00:11:14,055 He had committed crimes in Townsend as a juvenile. 163 00:11:14,055 --> 00:11:16,917 And also in Pepperell, which is a neighboring town, 164 00:11:16,917 --> 00:11:20,193 he was arrested and was out on bill for the crimes he had 165 00:11:20,193 --> 00:11:21,676 committed in Pepperell. 166 00:11:24,883 --> 00:11:27,503 Frank Bowen lived in Pepperell, Massachusetts. 167 00:11:27,503 --> 00:11:31,779 He was a bus driver, and he lost his wife to cancer 168 00:11:31,779 --> 00:11:32,952 in 1986. 169 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,262 He had two daughters. 170 00:11:37,262 --> 00:11:40,917 Tina was a teenager in high school, and she had a younger 171 00:11:40,917 --> 00:11:42,331 sister, Karen. 172 00:11:43,227 --> 00:11:46,089 And the three of them were alone and grieving the loss of 173 00:11:46,089 --> 00:11:49,296 their mother, trying to cope with Frank working long, 174 00:11:49,296 --> 00:11:52,021 long hours, and his daughters home alone. 175 00:11:54,193 --> 00:11:56,779 The daughters were not dealing well with the loss of 176 00:11:56,779 --> 00:11:59,641 their mother, and they were trying to contact her. 177 00:12:01,089 --> 00:12:05,848 They had a seance, and while conducting the seance 178 00:12:05,848 --> 00:12:09,400 to try to communicate with the deceased mother, 179 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,917 they started to hear noises, 180 00:12:13,814 --> 00:12:15,124 knocks on the walls, 181 00:12:20,296 --> 00:12:23,089 and they felt that it may be a signal from 182 00:12:23,089 --> 00:12:24,434 their deceased mother. 183 00:12:31,021 --> 00:12:34,158 And then they started noticing things that seemed out 184 00:12:34,158 --> 00:12:35,607 of the ordinary. 185 00:12:36,814 --> 00:12:40,055 They'd come into rooms, and they would find lights that 186 00:12:40,055 --> 00:12:41,262 had been off were now on. 187 00:12:43,710 --> 00:12:47,021 Things were moved in various rooms around the house. 188 00:12:47,021 --> 00:12:50,331 So they started asking their mother questions. 189 00:12:53,917 --> 00:12:55,779 And when they would ask questions, there would be 190 00:12:55,779 --> 00:12:57,676 knocking in response to it. 191 00:13:01,814 --> 00:13:04,503 So the two little girls who are dealing with the loss of 192 00:13:04,503 --> 00:13:07,296 their mother, went and told their father that they actually 193 00:13:07,296 --> 00:13:09,089 had their mother in the house 194 00:13:09,089 --> 00:13:10,503 and she was trying to contact them. 195 00:13:10,503 --> 00:13:12,193 And the father, Frank, just thought that 196 00:13:12,193 --> 00:13:13,779 they were grieving. 197 00:13:15,124 --> 00:13:18,848 It did create a disjoint between the two daughters 198 00:13:18,848 --> 00:13:20,607 and their dad. 199 00:13:20,607 --> 00:13:23,883 He honestly felt that they needed psychological help 200 00:13:23,883 --> 00:13:25,572 and that this was not happening. 201 00:13:27,883 --> 00:13:33,779 But that changed very quickly. On December 8th of 1986, 202 00:13:36,503 --> 00:13:38,676 the family had returned home 203 00:13:39,607 --> 00:13:42,848 and found that one of the toilets had been used. 204 00:13:45,607 --> 00:13:48,400 They immediately figured that somebody had been inside 205 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,538 the home, and they started a search. 206 00:14:14,503 --> 00:14:17,296 When he got up into his bedroom, Frank finds a man 207 00:14:17,296 --> 00:14:20,814 in there wearing this oversized coat in war paint 208 00:14:20,814 --> 00:14:22,365 carrying an ax. 209 00:14:23,434 --> 00:14:25,503 It's like something out of a horror movie. 210 00:14:25,503 --> 00:14:29,917 And he took this family hostage. 211 00:14:29,917 --> 00:14:34,193 He was very deliberate. He was very calm. 212 00:14:34,193 --> 00:14:36,331 He seemed to have no fear whatsoever. 213 00:14:37,710 --> 00:14:42,331 And he had secured them in that room and had left them there. 214 00:14:50,331 --> 00:14:54,296 At that point, one of the daughters escaped, 215 00:14:54,296 --> 00:14:57,917 was able to go next door, report the kidnapping, 216 00:14:57,917 --> 00:15:01,055 call the police, and we arrived. 217 00:15:03,021 --> 00:15:06,710 We searched the home, the woods around the home. 218 00:15:06,710 --> 00:15:11,400 We searched the area, the roads, and no suspect 219 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,503 was found. 220 00:15:13,503 --> 00:15:18,814 As police officers, we had to believe the story as 221 00:15:18,814 --> 00:15:20,262 unbelievable as it sounded. 222 00:15:22,296 --> 00:15:23,503 I had covered murders. 223 00:15:23,503 --> 00:15:27,296 I had covered suicides, strange deaths. 224 00:15:27,296 --> 00:15:30,365 I had never encountered anything like this. 225 00:15:32,710 --> 00:15:37,021 During our search, I did find the hatchet just outside one 226 00:15:37,021 --> 00:15:38,331 of the doors. 227 00:15:39,607 --> 00:15:44,055 But as far as a sign of an intruder, we found none. 228 00:15:45,434 --> 00:15:50,021 No member of that family were able to identify the intruder. 229 00:15:50,021 --> 00:15:54,710 His disguise, apparently, and the fear he instilled made 230 00:15:54,710 --> 00:15:58,469 it impossible for them to identify who this was. 231 00:16:01,503 --> 00:16:04,021 But now Frank knew his girls had been telling the truth, 232 00:16:04,021 --> 00:16:05,503 that there was something happening. 233 00:16:05,503 --> 00:16:07,021 It wasn't just in their minds. 234 00:16:08,089 --> 00:16:13,952 Our thought was that the suspect, if he existed, 235 00:16:13,952 --> 00:16:17,469 had fled into the woods. We're talking nighttime. 236 00:16:19,952 --> 00:16:24,607 And it would have been very easy for the intruder to hide 237 00:16:24,607 --> 00:16:25,779 himself in the woods. 238 00:16:28,227 --> 00:16:30,779 And finding him would have been extremely difficult. 239 00:16:35,607 --> 00:16:37,400 The family didn't want to be back in 240 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,469 the house, understandably. The girls were just terrified. 241 00:16:41,469 --> 00:16:43,779 So immediately, they went and just stayed in 242 00:16:43,779 --> 00:16:45,607 a hotel, because they knew they couldn't sleep in that 243 00:16:45,607 --> 00:16:46,848 house again. 244 00:16:56,779 --> 00:16:59,365 Two days later, Frank returned to the house. 245 00:17:04,021 --> 00:17:07,469 And as he was approaching, he saw something. 246 00:17:23,917 --> 00:17:26,124 He saw the same man as before 247 00:17:27,227 --> 00:17:29,503 and thought, this man is trying to kill us. 248 00:17:29,503 --> 00:17:32,124 So Frank Bowen called the police. 249 00:17:34,193 --> 00:17:37,158 I got there about 10 minutes later, and you could see 250 00:17:37,158 --> 00:17:41,503 he was distraught. And he said, "I just saw him. 251 00:17:41,503 --> 00:17:43,538 He's in the window. He waved at me." 252 00:17:45,434 --> 00:17:46,814 I said, "OK." 253 00:17:48,227 --> 00:17:51,676 The police had locked the house when they left the night 254 00:17:51,676 --> 00:17:53,021 of the incident. 255 00:17:53,814 --> 00:17:55,745 So I walked around the house to check for tracks. 256 00:17:56,779 --> 00:17:58,021 There was none. 257 00:17:59,641 --> 00:18:01,848 No broken windows. The doors are intact. 258 00:18:02,538 --> 00:18:06,296 So I decided if I'm going to go in his house With a very slim 259 00:18:06,296 --> 00:18:09,296 possibility in my mind that somebody's still here, 260 00:18:09,296 --> 00:18:11,917 I'm still not going to just walk in. 261 00:18:13,262 --> 00:18:15,917 So I unlocked the door real quiet. 262 00:18:18,883 --> 00:18:21,400 As soon as I cleared the door, there was a picture up on 263 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:22,676 the right-hand wall 264 00:18:23,538 --> 00:18:24,745 of the family. 265 00:18:24,745 --> 00:18:27,814 And there's a big knife stuck right in that picture. 266 00:18:27,814 --> 00:18:31,296 And written in magic marker, it said, "I'm still here, 267 00:18:31,296 --> 00:18:32,538 come find me." 268 00:18:34,917 --> 00:18:39,572 At that point, I said, "He's here. 269 00:18:40,538 --> 00:18:42,538 "I don't know how, 270 00:18:43,607 --> 00:18:45,021 but he's here." 271 00:18:57,124 --> 00:18:59,193 This was terrifying for this family. 272 00:19:00,158 --> 00:19:02,400 An intruder had been in the house and had held 273 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,641 the family hostage. 274 00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:07,917 And now he's back again. He won't give up. 275 00:19:09,538 --> 00:19:13,641 Officer Steve Bezanson arrived at the Bowens' house, and he was 276 00:19:13,641 --> 00:19:16,124 certain that the intruder was still there. 277 00:19:18,779 --> 00:19:20,296 I'm listening quietly, 278 00:19:22,021 --> 00:19:24,296 because now I'm thinking, I want him to think 279 00:19:24,296 --> 00:19:25,538 the homeowner's here, 280 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:27,572 not me. 281 00:19:29,021 --> 00:19:31,296 And I look to the right, and I can see the hallway. 282 00:19:32,055 --> 00:19:34,055 That goes down to the rest of the house, and there's another 283 00:19:34,055 --> 00:19:37,848 picture of the family with another knife stuck through it. 284 00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:44,021 I said to myself, I got to search this house, 285 00:19:44,021 --> 00:19:46,503 and I'm going to need help doing it to get it right. 286 00:19:46,503 --> 00:19:48,538 So I backed out real quiet, 287 00:19:49,503 --> 00:19:51,089 and I got the radio, and there was a sergeant 288 00:19:51,089 --> 00:19:53,021 at the station. And I said, "I need you up here. 289 00:19:53,021 --> 00:19:54,193 I need you up here now." 290 00:19:55,607 --> 00:19:57,089 We checked everything, 291 00:19:58,365 --> 00:20:02,124 closets, between mattresses, under the bed, you name it, 292 00:20:02,124 --> 00:20:03,503 we checked it. 293 00:20:05,193 --> 00:20:07,952 Every place we could possibly think of, we checked. 294 00:20:10,089 --> 00:20:12,607 And we wound up in a laundry room downstairs. 295 00:20:16,986 --> 00:20:20,434 And I remember looking up at the ceiling going, 296 00:20:20,434 --> 00:20:23,952 I don't understand why we can't find him. 297 00:20:25,055 --> 00:20:27,641 And then, just like that, 298 00:20:28,503 --> 00:20:30,848 I looked up at the corner. 299 00:20:30,848 --> 00:20:34,331 There was a set of pipes from the upstairs bathroom, 300 00:20:34,331 --> 00:20:36,745 but they didn't like looking at the pipes. 301 00:20:36,745 --> 00:20:39,503 So they built a wall to hide the pipes. 302 00:20:39,503 --> 00:20:41,434 I'm looking at this wall going, 303 00:20:42,917 --> 00:20:45,021 there's enough room someone could hide behind that wall. 304 00:20:50,021 --> 00:20:53,021 As soon as I walked over there and turned on the light, I saw 305 00:20:53,021 --> 00:20:55,538 there's a four foot pile of dirty clothes right there, 306 00:20:55,538 --> 00:20:58,710 and nobody stacks dirty clothes behind a false wall. 307 00:21:10,814 --> 00:21:13,227 I just moved a couple of pieces of clothing. 308 00:21:14,296 --> 00:21:16,021 I saw black hair, 309 00:21:17,021 --> 00:21:18,538 and I said, got it. 310 00:21:20,917 --> 00:21:23,641 He just looked at me out of the corner of his eyes, 311 00:21:23,641 --> 00:21:25,538 and I could see the wheels turning. 312 00:21:26,814 --> 00:21:30,503 I said, "I want to see your hands real slow." 313 00:21:30,503 --> 00:21:32,434 And he's got a pistol right here. 314 00:21:35,296 --> 00:21:36,779 And he put his hands up real slow. 315 00:21:36,779 --> 00:21:39,158 When I saw they were empty, I reached in and grabbed him 316 00:21:39,158 --> 00:21:41,745 right by the arm, said, "Let's go." 317 00:21:44,296 --> 00:21:47,572 The intruder was a 16-year-old boy. 318 00:21:47,572 --> 00:21:49,400 His name was Daniel LaPlante. 319 00:21:50,814 --> 00:21:52,952 This was no ordinary teenager. 320 00:21:54,158 --> 00:21:57,193 Beyond that, this was no ordinary criminal. 321 00:21:58,296 --> 00:22:02,434 After having arrested many young men, I was rather 322 00:22:02,434 --> 00:22:06,021 surprised by his unconcerned manner. 323 00:22:06,021 --> 00:22:09,848 This young man, despite his age, was 324 00:22:09,848 --> 00:22:11,400 very dangerous. 325 00:22:12,193 --> 00:22:18,021 And for the first and last time in my entire career, I bypassed 326 00:22:18,021 --> 00:22:23,676 the usual ritual of taking only two mug shots, and I took six 327 00:22:23,676 --> 00:22:26,883 of them, thinking that they would be used sometime 328 00:22:26,883 --> 00:22:28,021 in the future. 329 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,745 So Daniel suffered a lot of abuse as a child. 330 00:22:37,745 --> 00:22:41,986 He was abused by his father, his psychiatrist, by other 331 00:22:41,986 --> 00:22:45,538 people, sexually and physically and psychologically 332 00:22:45,538 --> 00:22:49,021 for a long period of time. And he displayed really 333 00:22:49,021 --> 00:22:51,538 troubling behavior from an early age. 334 00:22:52,607 --> 00:22:54,469 He was a loner. 335 00:22:54,469 --> 00:22:57,400 He was somebody who didn't know how to deal with other 336 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:58,572 human beings. 337 00:22:58,572 --> 00:23:00,400 And that only got worse with time. 338 00:23:01,572 --> 00:23:06,607 He was held at my request without bail on the charges of 339 00:23:06,607 --> 00:23:09,641 kidnapping, but also for mental evaluation. 340 00:23:10,503 --> 00:23:14,607 At the time, we approached the assistant DA 341 00:23:14,607 --> 00:23:17,952 to really work hard on the case to get it before the judge. 342 00:23:17,952 --> 00:23:21,745 In other words, for his trial not to be delayed. 343 00:23:24,055 --> 00:23:27,641 To be targeted by a psychopathic person like this 344 00:23:27,641 --> 00:23:28,917 is really shocking. 345 00:23:28,917 --> 00:23:32,538 So once they arrested the suspect, they realized that 346 00:23:32,538 --> 00:23:34,883 Tina had dated Daniel LaPlante once. 347 00:23:34,883 --> 00:23:37,469 He'd made contact with her over the phone. 348 00:23:37,469 --> 00:23:39,572 And then eventually, they had a date and they went 349 00:23:39,572 --> 00:23:41,158 out for ice cream. 350 00:23:41,158 --> 00:23:43,469 And he misrepresented himself on the phone. 351 00:23:43,469 --> 00:23:45,607 He completely misrepresented who he was 352 00:23:45,607 --> 00:23:46,848 and what he looked like. 353 00:23:46,848 --> 00:23:49,021 And she got a bad feeling from him. 354 00:23:49,021 --> 00:23:50,952 So she broke it off after that one date. 355 00:23:50,952 --> 00:23:55,331 So that one date led to this guy stalking her and living 356 00:23:55,331 --> 00:23:57,400 inside the walls of her house. 357 00:24:05,814 --> 00:24:09,848 Daniel was in and out of that house for six months. 358 00:24:21,021 --> 00:24:24,952 One of his acts was to remove electrical outlets 359 00:24:26,055 --> 00:24:28,917 so he could spy on the family members. 360 00:24:30,365 --> 00:24:35,193 And he was able to see when they vacated a room, 361 00:24:35,193 --> 00:24:36,952 leave his hiding space 362 00:24:37,814 --> 00:24:40,607 and create these disturbing acts 363 00:24:41,710 --> 00:24:45,296 that would get the girls to fight among themselves 364 00:24:45,296 --> 00:24:48,641 and to tell their dad these stories of milk being drank, 365 00:24:48,641 --> 00:24:50,641 channels being changed, 366 00:24:53,710 --> 00:24:57,745 and it would allow him to slip back into his hiding place. 367 00:25:14,676 --> 00:25:17,469 Everybody remembers that feeling of hearing something 368 00:25:17,469 --> 00:25:18,745 thump in the basement... 369 00:25:28,469 --> 00:25:30,745 ...thinking it's a monster, thinking somebody's hiding 370 00:25:30,745 --> 00:25:32,021 in the closet. 371 00:25:36,296 --> 00:25:39,331 In this particular case, it was actually true. 372 00:25:50,986 --> 00:25:54,055 It's terrifying that a single date, just going out for ice 373 00:25:54,055 --> 00:25:56,538 cream, and not progressing beyond that is going to turn 374 00:25:56,538 --> 00:25:58,503 into somebody breaking into your house 375 00:25:58,503 --> 00:26:00,641 and then tormenting you for months. 376 00:26:01,986 --> 00:26:06,952 Whatever his plan was, whether it was to rape one of 377 00:26:06,952 --> 00:26:11,193 the daughters, whether it was to kill all three people, 378 00:26:12,055 --> 00:26:13,538 I can't be sure. 379 00:26:17,503 --> 00:26:21,021 So Daniel LaPlante was sent to Bridgewater Hospital for 380 00:26:21,021 --> 00:26:22,710 psychiatric evaluation. 381 00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:26,021 And after that evaluation, he was diagnosed with 382 00:26:26,021 --> 00:26:29,193 antisocial personality disorder, and he was put into 383 00:26:29,193 --> 00:26:30,538 juvenile detention. 384 00:26:31,296 --> 00:26:34,021 And everybody felt they should be safe. 385 00:26:39,055 --> 00:26:41,848 Daniel LaPlante lived on Elm Street. 386 00:26:41,848 --> 00:26:44,641 And it was only a mile through the woods from the Gustafson's 387 00:26:44,641 --> 00:26:48,089 house, except Daniel LaPlante was in juvenile detention, 388 00:26:50,158 --> 00:26:51,158 or so they thought. 389 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,296 When he turned 17, the judge decided that 390 00:26:56,296 --> 00:26:57,779 he should be tried as an adult. 391 00:26:57,779 --> 00:27:00,814 And when Daniel LaPlante was charged as an adult, 392 00:27:00,814 --> 00:27:02,434 he was able to get bail. 393 00:27:03,365 --> 00:27:06,883 He was brought before the judge, not to be tried, 394 00:27:06,883 --> 00:27:10,089 but on a bail hearing. 395 00:27:10,089 --> 00:27:15,158 And the judge, at the time, without any police input 396 00:27:15,158 --> 00:27:19,607 or presence, released him on $10,000 bail. 397 00:27:19,607 --> 00:27:21,331 And his mother mortgaged their house 398 00:27:21,331 --> 00:27:23,917 and put up the $10,000 bail to get him out. 399 00:27:26,089 --> 00:27:28,124 There's no question that the judge made 400 00:27:28,124 --> 00:27:29,641 a massive mistake. 401 00:27:31,710 --> 00:27:37,021 Daniel LaPlante was very dangerous, from terrorizing 402 00:27:37,021 --> 00:27:40,641 a family to kidnapping. 403 00:27:40,641 --> 00:27:45,158 When I found out about the murders, I said, "I wonder 404 00:27:45,158 --> 00:27:47,641 what Danny LaPlante is doing lately." 405 00:28:02,917 --> 00:28:06,055 Homicide investigators had this other violent, strange, 406 00:28:06,055 --> 00:28:10,021 bizarre crime, with Daniel LaPlante living a mile from 407 00:28:10,021 --> 00:28:11,572 this triple murder. 408 00:28:12,814 --> 00:28:16,021 I think it's an aha-moment for the police, but they didn't 409 00:28:16,021 --> 00:28:18,986 have any hard evidence to tie him to the murders other than 410 00:28:18,986 --> 00:28:22,021 his proximity to them and his prior violent past. 411 00:28:24,331 --> 00:28:27,331 So at 7 o'clock that next morning, we reconvened at 412 00:28:27,331 --> 00:28:28,883 the crime scene 413 00:28:29,193 --> 00:28:34,262 to gather as much information, as much evidence as we can. 414 00:28:34,262 --> 00:28:38,469 Outside the house, there was a pillow laying on the ground. 415 00:28:38,469 --> 00:28:41,745 So I called in a state police K9 tracking team, 416 00:28:43,365 --> 00:28:45,538 and we began a scented search. 417 00:28:45,538 --> 00:28:49,055 And the dog was on a heavy scent, tracking from the yard 418 00:28:49,055 --> 00:28:50,262 into the woods. 419 00:28:52,296 --> 00:28:56,021 Within a few minutes, one of the state troopers found 420 00:28:56,021 --> 00:28:57,814 a wet flannel shirt. 421 00:28:57,814 --> 00:29:01,193 In addition, there was also wet gloves in the woods. 422 00:29:02,055 --> 00:29:04,986 So the police believe that those articles of clothing 423 00:29:04,986 --> 00:29:07,434 could have been involved with drowning the children. 424 00:29:09,710 --> 00:29:13,365 The K9 immediately picked up on a scent from those 425 00:29:13,365 --> 00:29:15,745 items and led us through the woods, 426 00:29:17,710 --> 00:29:20,434 and eventually led us to Daniel LaPlante's house. 427 00:29:25,021 --> 00:29:27,538 After we did the K9 track, we applied for 428 00:29:27,538 --> 00:29:28,986 a search warrant. 429 00:29:30,883 --> 00:29:33,986 We executed that search warrant, did a complete search 430 00:29:33,986 --> 00:29:35,469 of the entire residence. 431 00:29:35,469 --> 00:29:37,745 Daniel was not there at that time. 432 00:29:39,572 --> 00:29:42,572 One of the key pieces that we found were a pair of wet 433 00:29:42,572 --> 00:29:46,055 socks in Daniel LaPlante's bedroom. 434 00:29:46,055 --> 00:29:49,986 And on the wet socks, we found a blonde hair. 435 00:29:49,986 --> 00:29:51,952 Could be from Abigail. 436 00:29:56,986 --> 00:30:00,779 In addition to that, we found some bullets. 437 00:30:00,779 --> 00:30:05,055 Those spent bullets matched the cartridges that were used 438 00:30:05,055 --> 00:30:07,848 to murder Priscilla Gustafson. 439 00:30:08,986 --> 00:30:12,021 There was no doubt that we were on the right track. 440 00:30:12,021 --> 00:30:15,021 After we recovered those items, we applied for an arrest 441 00:30:15,021 --> 00:30:16,503 warrant for Daniel LaPlante. 442 00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:22,917 But at this point, Daniel had fled, and a manhunt was on. 443 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,710 We released his picture to the media, 444 00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:28,503 and the media ran with it. 445 00:30:28,503 --> 00:30:31,331 24 hours after the triple homicide of the Gustafson 446 00:30:31,331 --> 00:30:34,365 family in Townsend, police are still on the hunt 447 00:30:34,365 --> 00:30:35,641 for their killer. 448 00:30:35,641 --> 00:30:37,883 On the 6 o'clock news, the 11 o'clock news, 449 00:30:37,883 --> 00:30:39,262 they posted his picture. 450 00:30:39,262 --> 00:30:41,572 We tried to let people know we were looking for 451 00:30:41,572 --> 00:30:44,814 Daniel LaPlante, and anyone who could help us, 452 00:30:44,814 --> 00:30:47,193 we encouraged them to drop us a tip. 453 00:30:48,158 --> 00:30:51,538 The media from Boston and from Worcester and from all over 454 00:30:51,538 --> 00:30:54,400 Massachusetts had descended on Townsend and Pepperell, 455 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,641 and as a reporter, I was talking to the police officers, 456 00:30:57,641 --> 00:30:59,400 the Chiefs of Police, I mean, everybody was 457 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,503 harried and frazzled. 458 00:31:00,503 --> 00:31:02,779 People who were off duty had come back on duty. 459 00:31:02,779 --> 00:31:05,021 Everybody was involved with this. 460 00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:11,021 For the first time in my police career, and the last time, 461 00:31:11,021 --> 00:31:14,021 I put on my bulletproof vest. 462 00:31:14,021 --> 00:31:19,089 I felt Daniel would head to Northwest Pepperell because 463 00:31:19,089 --> 00:31:20,227 he knew it well. 464 00:31:24,814 --> 00:31:29,400 It's almost rural, heavily wooded, very easy to 465 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,607 avoid detection. 466 00:31:32,365 --> 00:31:35,814 And my choice was prophetic. 467 00:31:37,676 --> 00:31:41,503 The reports of a suspicious young male in the area were 468 00:31:41,503 --> 00:31:42,848 almost immediate. 469 00:31:44,021 --> 00:31:48,434 And they were located within a wood area bordered by 470 00:31:48,434 --> 00:31:49,538 four roads. 471 00:31:51,055 --> 00:31:53,641 So we circled that area. 472 00:31:57,814 --> 00:32:02,124 I pulled into a driveway in one of the homes. 473 00:32:02,124 --> 00:32:05,331 And a lady said, "I know why you're here. 474 00:32:05,331 --> 00:32:07,021 I just arrived back home. 475 00:32:07,021 --> 00:32:10,779 Could you please come in my home while I reenter it?" 476 00:32:10,779 --> 00:32:13,883 And I said, "We certainly will, ma'am." 477 00:32:13,883 --> 00:32:17,055 I asked my partner to remain in the cruiser. 478 00:32:17,055 --> 00:32:20,883 So upon our arrival into the home, it didn't take more 479 00:32:20,883 --> 00:32:24,848 than half a minute, and I heard a loud thud upstairs. 480 00:32:26,883 --> 00:32:30,641 I quickly asked the lady, "Do you have a pet?" 481 00:32:30,641 --> 00:32:34,538 She said, "I have a cat." I said, "That was no cat." 482 00:32:39,124 --> 00:32:43,365 Upon getting to the top of the stairs, I found a 16-gauge 483 00:32:43,365 --> 00:32:47,434 shotgun lying at my feet with the bolt closed, 484 00:32:48,917 --> 00:32:50,779 assuming it was loaded. 485 00:32:50,779 --> 00:32:53,952 I believe that was the sound of the thud that I heard. 486 00:32:56,503 --> 00:32:59,572 We did a thorough search of the entire home. 487 00:32:59,572 --> 00:33:02,607 He had fled from an upstairs window, had jumped onto 488 00:33:02,607 --> 00:33:06,089 the garage, into the woods behind the home, 489 00:33:06,089 --> 00:33:07,745 and had taken flight. 490 00:33:09,986 --> 00:33:15,158 His goal was to take me out with a 16-gauge shotgun. 491 00:33:15,158 --> 00:33:19,331 I believe what deterred him was the presence of my partner 492 00:33:19,331 --> 00:33:20,883 in the cruiser. 493 00:33:21,365 --> 00:33:25,848 The husband of the house did indicate that the shotgun was 494 00:33:25,848 --> 00:33:31,779 his, but he indicated that a handgun was missing, and also 495 00:33:31,779 --> 00:33:33,883 a belt of ammunition. 496 00:33:33,883 --> 00:33:36,917 And it was obvious that the intruder was attempting to 497 00:33:36,917 --> 00:33:38,434 arm himself. 498 00:33:39,503 --> 00:33:42,331 Everybody knew that the killer was running around, 499 00:33:43,607 --> 00:33:45,538 and the police were everywhere. 500 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,883 Every time somebody saw something move in the woods, 501 00:33:49,883 --> 00:33:51,676 they'd call it in to the police. 502 00:33:51,676 --> 00:33:54,848 People are locked into their homes in total fear. 503 00:33:55,917 --> 00:33:56,745 And they should have been. 504 00:33:56,745 --> 00:33:58,641 They absolutely should have been. 505 00:33:58,641 --> 00:34:01,952 When you kill three people, there were no bounds anymore. 506 00:34:03,089 --> 00:34:06,848 There was a real danger of him not just abducting anybody, 507 00:34:06,848 --> 00:34:08,503 but he would have killed them. 508 00:34:10,021 --> 00:34:12,021 People knew they had to try to catch him before 509 00:34:12,021 --> 00:34:13,400 somebody else died. 510 00:34:26,158 --> 00:34:29,089 This was one of the largest manhunts in 511 00:34:29,089 --> 00:34:31,089 Massachusetts history. 512 00:34:31,089 --> 00:34:33,021 Everywhere you turned, there was a police car. 513 00:34:33,021 --> 00:34:35,193 There was an officer looking for Daniel LaPlante. 514 00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:38,503 We knew this person was dangerous. 515 00:34:39,365 --> 00:34:42,986 We knew he had the potential to kill again. 516 00:34:42,986 --> 00:34:45,952 We needed to get him off the streets. 517 00:34:45,952 --> 00:34:47,986 You have to remember, we were dealing with this young 518 00:34:47,986 --> 00:34:52,538 person who hid himself in walls, who made his way through 519 00:34:52,538 --> 00:34:53,779 this forest. 520 00:34:53,779 --> 00:34:57,089 So this person was skilled at avoiding detection. 521 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,848 In a matter of 15 to 20 minutes, I do get a report that 522 00:35:07,848 --> 00:35:11,641 once again, faced with a police officer, this fleeing felon 523 00:35:11,641 --> 00:35:14,296 decided to run into a lumberyard in 524 00:35:14,296 --> 00:35:15,952 the town of Ayer. 525 00:35:19,055 --> 00:35:23,158 My fear was with LaPlante armed with a handgun, somebody was 526 00:35:23,158 --> 00:35:25,021 gonna get taken hostage 527 00:35:25,021 --> 00:35:27,779 or somebody was gonna get killed. 528 00:35:29,814 --> 00:35:31,848 So the police cordoned off the area. 529 00:35:31,848 --> 00:35:35,848 They blocked off the streets. A police helicopter was up 530 00:35:36,986 --> 00:35:39,331 and police were going through it and at some point one of 531 00:35:39,331 --> 00:35:42,710 the officers thought he heard something by a dumpster. 532 00:35:44,572 --> 00:35:47,262 Several officers surrounded the dumpster. 533 00:35:49,607 --> 00:35:52,503 They ordered Daniel to come out. 534 00:35:56,883 --> 00:36:00,331 And he finally decided to surrender himself. 535 00:36:02,021 --> 00:36:07,055 He was transported to the state police barracks located on 536 00:36:07,055 --> 00:36:09,952 Elm Street in the town of Concord, Massachusetts. 537 00:36:13,710 --> 00:36:16,021 He was charged with the murder of Priscilla Gustafson, 538 00:36:16,021 --> 00:36:19,814 Abigail Gustafson, and William Gustafson. 539 00:36:19,814 --> 00:36:23,745 I sat next to him during trial. His eyes were cold. 540 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,745 He looked right beyond you. No remorse whatsoever. 541 00:36:30,607 --> 00:36:32,607 So I covered the trial for my newspaper. 542 00:36:32,607 --> 00:36:35,986 I remember sitting in court and looking at LaPlante, 543 00:36:35,986 --> 00:36:39,262 and he was just without emotion, just expressionless. 544 00:36:39,262 --> 00:36:41,021 Like, he never showed an ounce of empathy. 545 00:36:41,021 --> 00:36:44,952 He never showed any discomfort for what was going on, 546 00:36:44,952 --> 00:36:47,021 just a soulless look. 547 00:36:47,021 --> 00:36:49,952 The jurors can follow us with their notebooks if they can. 548 00:36:49,952 --> 00:36:54,089 There were several factors that linked Daniel to the murders. 549 00:36:54,089 --> 00:36:57,676 Shell casings that were found in the LaPlante home were 550 00:36:57,676 --> 00:37:01,331 the same exact type as those found at the murder scene. 551 00:37:04,021 --> 00:37:10,021 Also, a hair found on one of Daniel's socks was indeed from 552 00:37:10,021 --> 00:37:14,021 the head of the murdered Abigail Gustafson. 553 00:37:14,021 --> 00:37:17,469 And during one of the searches at the LaPlante home, 554 00:37:17,469 --> 00:37:20,089 the actual murder weapon was found, 555 00:37:20,917 --> 00:37:26,814 which was a .22 revolver in an abandoned vehicle located on 556 00:37:26,814 --> 00:37:28,193 the LaPlante property. 557 00:37:29,365 --> 00:37:34,296 We also recovered two cable TV boxes and remote controls that 558 00:37:34,296 --> 00:37:36,607 were taken previously at the Gustafson home. 559 00:37:36,607 --> 00:37:40,193 So before the murders happened, LaPlante had been in that 560 00:37:40,193 --> 00:37:41,503 house previously. 561 00:37:42,469 --> 00:37:43,952 Thank you. May all be seated. 562 00:37:51,262 --> 00:37:54,400 At the courtroom, ironically located at 563 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,676 the intersection of Elm Street and Gorham Street, 564 00:37:57,676 --> 00:38:03,262 the jury found Daniel LaPlante guilty of the murder of three 565 00:38:03,262 --> 00:38:05,331 members of the Gustafson family. 566 00:38:05,331 --> 00:38:06,952 Guilty of murder in the first degree. 567 00:38:06,952 --> 00:38:11,055 He was sentenced to three consecutive life terms with no 568 00:38:11,055 --> 00:38:12,538 chance of parole. 569 00:38:16,779 --> 00:38:21,021 You're looking at somebody, perhaps, if such a thing exists 570 00:38:21,021 --> 00:38:22,400 being totally evil. 571 00:38:26,296 --> 00:38:30,883 The lead investigator told me, "Tom, have you seen how 572 00:38:30,883 --> 00:38:33,434 Elm Street keeps popping up on this?" 573 00:38:33,434 --> 00:38:39,952 You know, his residence on Elm Street, he gets taken to 574 00:38:39,952 --> 00:38:44,779 the state police barracks on Elm Street in Concord. 575 00:38:44,779 --> 00:38:49,952 He's prosecuted, found guilty, at the courthouse at the corner 576 00:38:49,952 --> 00:38:53,055 of Elm Street in Lowell, Massachusetts. 577 00:38:53,055 --> 00:38:56,641 There are seven total Elm Street connections 578 00:38:57,503 --> 00:39:01,848 in this LaPlante saga, which is quite bizarre. 579 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,952 Was justice served here? 580 00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:11,710 I guess under the law, justice was served. 581 00:39:11,710 --> 00:39:14,745 But how can you ever recover from losing your wife 582 00:39:14,745 --> 00:39:17,400 and your two children and your unborn baby? 583 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,676 So he was off the streets. 584 00:39:19,676 --> 00:39:23,055 But as far as the Gustafson family goes, I can't, I can't 585 00:39:23,055 --> 00:39:24,641 answer that question. 586 00:39:26,296 --> 00:39:29,296 You know, a case like this is just so, so terrible. 587 00:39:29,296 --> 00:39:33,124 Just, it's just so awful that people never get over it. 588 00:39:33,124 --> 00:39:37,503 Like, it's a kind of thing that makes people pause and really 589 00:39:37,503 --> 00:39:40,952 think, how could one human being do this to another? 590 00:39:43,193 --> 00:39:45,021 I've never forgotten it. 591 00:39:45,021 --> 00:39:47,021 You know, I covered it as a reporter, but I've never 592 00:39:47,021 --> 00:39:50,434 forgotten this case. It was evil showing its face. 593 00:39:53,814 --> 00:39:56,710 Two beautiful children, another one on the way, 594 00:39:56,710 --> 00:40:02,262 and this terrible person broke into the house and ended it. 595 00:40:02,262 --> 00:40:05,124 For no reason, just killed these people. 596 00:40:06,055 --> 00:40:08,089 There was no real motive that we ever uncovered, 597 00:40:09,469 --> 00:40:11,745 other than the fact that they walked in when he was in 598 00:40:11,745 --> 00:40:13,089 that house. 599 00:40:13,089 --> 00:40:15,089 This person was cold 600 00:40:16,296 --> 00:40:17,400 and evil personified. 601 00:40:39,124 --> 00:40:40,572 Once upon a time... 602 00:40:40,572 --> 00:40:43,538 Elm Street was a good place to live. 603 00:40:45,572 --> 00:40:48,848 We were the type of community where people still waved to you. 604 00:40:48,848 --> 00:40:50,641 The charm was there. 605 00:40:50,641 --> 00:40:53,434 It's pretty... but we have our fair share of 606 00:40:55,262 --> 00:40:56,503 serial killers. 607 00:40:57,676 --> 00:41:00,227 There was satanic rituals being held there. 608 00:41:01,158 --> 00:41:03,572 Is he still out? Is he going to come after me? 609 00:41:03,572 --> 00:41:05,952 A firefighter said something heinous had happened. 610 00:41:08,262 --> 00:41:10,262 You don't really know when it's going to happen, 611 00:41:10,262 --> 00:41:11,779 or what's going to happen or who's doing it. 612 00:41:11,779 --> 00:41:15,089 I was screaming "My dad's dead! Someone's killed him." 613 00:41:16,089 --> 00:41:18,745 Evil took over that night. 614 00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:22,503 Be aware of the danger out there. 615 00:41:23,021 --> 00:41:24,952 I don't know if I've seen a broadsword like that. 616 00:41:31,710 --> 00:41:34,607 Detective found things that were beyond their wildest nightmare. 50361

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