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The National Rifle Association
has produced a film
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which you are sure
to find of great interest.
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Let's look at it.
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- It was the morning
of April 20th, 1999.
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And it was pretty much like
any other morning in America.
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The farmer did his chores,
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the milkman
made his deliveries,
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the president bombed
another country
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whose name
we couldn't pronounce.
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Out in Fargo, North Dakota,
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Carry McWilliams
went on his morning walk.
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Back in Michigan, Mrs. Hughes
welcomed her students
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for another day of school.
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And out in a little town
in Colorado,
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two boys went bowling
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at six in the morning.
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Yes, it was a typical day
in the United States
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of America.
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- Can I help you?
- Uh, yeah,
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I'm here to open up an account.
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- Okay, what type of account
would you like?
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- Um, I want the account where
I can, uh, get the free gun.
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- Okay.
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- I'd spotted an ad
in the local Michigan paper
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that said if you opened an
account at North Country Bank,
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the bank would give you a gun.
- You do a CD
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and we'll hand you a gun.
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We have a whole brochure here
that you can look at.
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Once we do the background check
and everything,
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it's yours to go.
- Okay. Well, all right,
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well, that's the account
I'd like to open.
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We have a vault, which
at all times we keep at least
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500 firearms.
- Five-hundred of these,
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you have in your vault?
- In our vault.
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- Wow.
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- We have to do
a background check.
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- At the bank here?
- At the bank,
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which we are a licensed
firearm dealer.
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- Oh, you are? You're a bank
and a licensed firearm dealer.
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What do I put for "race"?
White or Caucasian or...?
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- Caucasian.
- Caucasian.
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- I knew you were gonna make me
spell the... Cau-ca-sian.
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Is that right?
- Yes.
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I don't think that's the part
they're gonna be worried about.
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"Have you ever been adjudicated
mentally defective
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or have you ever been committed
to a mental institution?"
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I've never been committed
to a mental institution.
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What does that mean,
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"Have I ever been adjudicated
mentally defective"?
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- It would be something
involved with a crime.
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So if I'm just normally mentally
defective but not criminal...
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- Yeah, exactly.
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- There you go, Mike.
- Okay. Thank you very much. Wow.
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- I had one personally--
- That's a nice tension.
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- It is and it's
a straight-shooter,
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let me tell ya.
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- Wow. Sweet.
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Well, here's my first question:
You think
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it's a little dangerous,
handing out guns in a bank?
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- Ten-ho!
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- Each gun makes lots
of battle sounds.
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Just press the trigger,
and listen.
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- That sounds like a gun battle.
Over there.
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- Is it real?
- Looks like real!
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Hey, it sounds like real!
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- Right! The Sound-O-Power
military and western rifles
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by Marx!
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- This was my first gun.
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I couldn't wait to go outside
and shoot up the neighbourhood.
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Those were the days.
"I was born
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"in Michigan
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"and I wish and wish again
that I was back
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"in the town where I was born"
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- By the time I was a teenager,
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I was such a good shot
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I won the National
Rifle Association's
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Markman award.
You see,
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I grew up in Michigan,
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a gun-lover's paradise.
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And so did this man,
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the Oscar-winning actor
and president
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of the National
Rifle Association,
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Mr. Charlton Heston.
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We come from a state
where everyone
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loves to go hunting.
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- Hah.
- Even the dogs.
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- There were actually
two of the hunters at camp.
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They thought
they'd get a few pictures
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of the dog dressed up
as a hunter
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to kind of just have some fun
around camp.
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And one of the guys
had the idea that,
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"Why don't we sling a rifle
on the dog's back
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to make the pictures
a little more interesting.
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The victim was kneeling down
in front of the dog
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when the weapon slipped.
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The one round went through
the victim's shin,
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the right part of his shin,
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and came out through
the back of his calf.
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- Was the dog hauled off for any
period of time by the police?
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- No, it wasn't. No.
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Um, in Michigan,
the law basically states
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that people can commit crimes
that animals
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aren't some... form of,
uh, you know,
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whatever that can
commit a crime.
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- An animal cannot commit a crime
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or be charged with a crime
in this state.
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- Exactly.
- Is it possible that the dog
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knew what it was doing?
- That, I don't know.
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I really wouldn't be able
to tell you that.
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The dog was cute
dressed up as a hunter,
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there's no doubt about it.
I mean, it was a funny picture,
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um, you know, to look at.
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It was... it was kind of neat.
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- Yup, this was the kind
of place I was from.
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A box
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of 270s.
- Coming up.
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There you go.
- Perfect.
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Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Sorry about that, sorry.
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- So I've been discharged.
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- You don't need no gun control.
You know what you need?
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We need some bullet control.
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We need to control the bullets,
that's right.
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I think all bullets
should cost $5,000.
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$5,000 for a bullet.
You know why?
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'Cause if a bullet cost $5,000,
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there'd be no more
innocent bystanders.
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Every time
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somebody get shot, people are,
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"Damn, he must've
did something."
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See, they put $50,000's worth
of bullets in his ass!"
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And people'd think
before they killed somebody
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for a bullet that cost $5,000!
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"Man, I would blow
your fucking head off --
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if I could afford it."
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I'm gonna get me another job,
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I'm gonna start saving some
money, and you a dead man.
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You better hope I can't
get no bullets on layaway.
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- Not far from where
Charlton Heston and I grew up
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is a training ground
for the Michigan Militia.
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Why do you use the bowling pins?
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- From a self-defence or
whatever tactical standpoint,
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it's a small target,
which also represents
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the vitals on a...
on a human being,
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if you ever had to shoot at one.
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- The Michigan Militia
became known around the world
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when, on April 19th, 1995,
two guys living in Michigan
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who had attended
Militia meetings,
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Timothy McVeigh
and Terry Nichols,
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blew up the federal building
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in Oklahoma City,
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killing 168 people.
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The Michigan Militia
wanted everyone to know
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that they were nothing
like McVeigh and Nichols.
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- This is an American tradition.
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It's an American responsibility
to be armed.
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If you're not armed,
you're not responsible.
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Who's gonna defend your kids,
the cops?
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The federal government?
No, none of them.
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It's your job
to defend you and yours.
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If you don't do it,
you're in dereliction of duty,
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as an American. Period.
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- We're here to let them
know we're here to help.
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We're not the bogeymen
we're made out to be.
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We're here to help and defend
the people of this country.
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- I'm sure you guys
are the kind of people
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that people would like
to have as their neighbour.
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If somebody's in need,
you're there to help them.
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- Pretty much. We're all normal
people. We all have regular jobs
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and this is what we do
on our time.
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- What kind of a job do you have?
- I'm a draftsman.
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- How about you?
- Unemployed right now.
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- Frank, what do you do
for a living?
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- I work for
a heat trading company.
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I drive a truck for 'em.
- Okay. How about you?
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- I'm a real-estate negotiator
- Real-estate negotiator!
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- White collar all the way.
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- You don't bring that with you,
though, do you,
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when you're negotiating
the real estate?
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- No.
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- Where do you live,
in suburban--
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- Westland.
- So what do you have
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in your home?
- Smith & Wesson 9-millimetre.
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- Nine-millimetre?
- Yeah.
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- And how about you?
- With hollow points.
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- Twelve gage.
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- Twelve gage at home?
- Yeah.
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- How about you?
- M-16.
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- At home?
- Yeah.
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At the ready.
- I don't agree with that,
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'cause you gotta worry about
where your arms are going.
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- I know where they're gonna go
when I aim and shoot.
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- Whose idea was the calendar?
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- That'd probably be Christian.
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- A picture's worth 1,000 words.
A) it demonstrates a level
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of sophistication that you
wouldn't expect out of Militia;
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B) you know,
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we're people too.
- Right.
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- And we have a lot of fun
with it.
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- Right.
- There was a fundraiser.
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It showed, um, that we're not
so serious, you know.
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We're not these conspiracy nuts
who wouldn't want our pictures
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to get out. The idea...
it was a fundraiser, you know...
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- I've had guns, um...
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pretty much since
I was old enough to...
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to have them. And I learned
how to use them, um...
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You're silly!
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Uh, because being a female,
number one,
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I felt it was important
to be able to protect myself
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with the best means possible.
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And one of those means
is having a gun.
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When a criminal
breaks into your house,
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who's the first person
you're gonna call?
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Most people will call the police
because they have guns.
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Cut out the middleman. Take care
of your own family yourself.
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If you're not going to protect
your family, who is?
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- We're not racist,
we're not extremist,
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we're not fundamentalist, we're
not terrorists or militants
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or other such nonsense.
- We're citizens.
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- We're just concerned citizens.
We have a desire
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to fulfil our responsibilities
and duties as Americans,
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and armed citizenry
is part of that.
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- What do you grow here?
- Right now, there's tofu beans,
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soy beans. Tofu-soy beans.
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- You're a tofu farmer.
- Yeah. Yeah, food farmer.
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I'm a food farmer.
- Food.
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- I grow food for people to eat.
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No herbicides, no pesticides
on that stuff.
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- Right. All natural.
- Right.
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- Yeah. Better.
- Certified organic.
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- Uh-huh. Healthier.
- Yeah.
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Basically, yeah.
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This is James Nichols,
the brother of Terry Nichols.
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James graduated from high
school the same year I did,
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in the district next to mine.
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On this farm
in Decker, Michigan,
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McVeigh and the Nichols
brothers made practice bombs
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before Oklahoma City.
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Terry and James were both
arrested in connection
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to the bombing.
U.S. attorneys
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formally linked the Nichols
brothers of Michigan
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with Oklahoma bomb suspect
Timothy McVeigh.
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Officials charged James,
who was at the hearing,
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and Terry, who was not,
with conspiring
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to make and possess
small bombs.
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- Terry Nichols was convicted
and received a life sentence.
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Timothy McVeigh was executed.
But the feds
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didn't have the goods on James,
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so the charges were dropped.
- I'm just glad
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to be out and free,
so I can get on with my life.
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- Did Timothy McVeigh
ever stay here?
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- Yes. Yes. He stayed here
several times.
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For the longest period, about
three months or so, I dunno.
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But, uh, he was a nice guy.
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- Decent guy?
- Oh, yeah.
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- They didn't find anything
on this farm.
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- As to what,
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bomb-making material?
- Any kind of explosives.
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- Uh, yeah, I had blasting caps,
dynamite blasting caps,
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dynamite fuse, black powder,
you know?
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For muzzle loaders and...
Sure.
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Diesel fuel, fertilizer, but,
uh, that is normal farm stuff
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that is no way connected
any way whatsoever to, uh,
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the Oklahoma City bombing
or bomb making.
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Them people - law enforcement,
if you wanna call 'em that -
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were here and they were shaking
in their shoes.
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They were physically shaking.
Scared to death.
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- Of?
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- Because they thought this
was gonna be another Waco.
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Because certain people...
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namely my ex-wife
and other people,
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said I'm a radical,
I'm a wild man,
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I got a gun under every arm,
down every leg and every shoe,
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every corner of the house.
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You say anything to me,
I'll shoot ya.
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If the people find out how
they've been ripped off
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and... and enslaved in this
country by the government,
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by the powers-to-be...
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they will revolt, with anger,
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with merciless anger.
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There'll be blood
running in the streets.
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When a government
turns tyrannical,
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it is your duty to overthrow it.
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- Well, why not use Gandhi's way?
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He didn't have any guns,
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and he beat the British empire.
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- I'm not familiar with that.
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- Oscoda has a bad habit
of raising psychos.
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Bad habit of it.
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- This is Brent.
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And this is his buddy DJ.
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They live in Oscoda, Michigan,
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across the bay
from the Nichols farm.
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Eric Harris,
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who would later go on
to commit the massacre
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at Columbine High School
in Colorado,
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spent part
of his childhood here.
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Eric lived on
the air-force base in Oscoda,
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where his dad flew planes
during the Gulf War.
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Twenty percent of all the bombs
dropped in that war
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were from planes
that took off from Oscoda.
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I asked Brent if he remembered
anything about Eric.
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- I never knew him,
but I knew of him.
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He left here before I got here.
I've only lived here seven years
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off and on.
- He was about the same age
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as you, so you must have people
in your class--
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- A friend of mine knows him,
he was in class with him.
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He's lived here all his life.
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- I went to school with him
and it shocked me to hear it
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on the news.
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That especially a kid from here
would be doing that.
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- I didn't last too long
in high school.
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I got kicked out,
I got expelled.
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- Why was that?
- I had a run-in with a kid
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one time and I pulled a weapon
on him, I pulled a gun on him.
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- What kind of gun?
- Nine-millimetre.
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I could've made a mess
out of that situation.
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- Could've been worse.
- Could've been a lot worse.
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- Could've been Eric Harris.
- It could've been.
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- So they kicked you out?
- Yeah, they kicked me out
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for 380 days or 165 days,
whatever a full school year is.
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- For the longest time, that's
what my plan was, to move out
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to Colorado.
- Colorado?
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- 'Cause I've got family
out there.
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Matter of fact,
one of my uncles is a janitor
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for Columbine School.
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- Really?
- Yeah.
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00:16:05,462 --> 00:16:07,896
- After Columbine,
what was it like here in Oscoda?
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- My name was second-highest
on the bomb list,
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because of the reputation
you get in this town.
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- Why? You mean
they did a list of--
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- Of suspects.
- Of students who potentially--
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- Yeah.
- ...would call in a bomb threat
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after Columbine?
- Yes.
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- And you were number two
on the list?
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- I was second or third
on the list, yeah.
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- Why is that?
- Because the whole fact is,
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like I said, this town
really gets people down.
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00:16:32,022 --> 00:16:34,388
- Yeah, but why
did they single you out?
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- Because I was a troubled kid.
- You were in trouble in school?
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- Oh, yeah.
Why did they put you
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number two on their list,
after Columbine,
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of the students
that could be a threat?
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Come on, there must be a reason.
- Well, okay. The thing is,
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I have a thing, it's called
the "Anarchist Cookbook."
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It shows you how to make bombs
and stuff like that.
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00:16:55,579 --> 00:16:57,376
If there's anything
that went wrong,
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they're gonna come to me first.
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And I don't need that.
- Just 'cause you owned a copy
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of the book?
- Just because I own a copy--
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- Never made a bomb yourself?
- No. Oh, I've made 'em.
352
00:17:07,557 --> 00:17:10,082
It was nothing big; it wasn't
even as big as a pipe bomb.
353
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It was just... some make it
like a little tennis-ball bomb
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or something like that.
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00:17:16,333 --> 00:17:20,292
Out of the "Anarchist Cookbook,"
the latest thing I built...
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I think, would have to be...
I think I made it, like,
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00:17:23,173 --> 00:17:26,870
about a good five-gallon drum
of napalm.
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You know, homemade napalm.
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- Kids knew that
you were doing this?
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- Yeah.
- So you were number two, then,
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on the list.
- Right.
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- Who was number one?
- I don't know.
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They never told me that name.
Which kind of made me mad.
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'Cause I didn't make it
to number one.
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I know it's kind of silly,
but I guess
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it'd been kind of an ego thing,
knowing that I was number one
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at something in Oscoda, even
if it was a bomb-threat list.
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00:17:53,437 --> 00:17:55,302
- Do you believe it was right
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to blow up the building
in Oklahoma City?
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I'm not saying you did it.
- No. No, no, no.
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00:18:00,210 --> 00:18:02,576
- I'm just saying: was it right?
- Why was it "blowed up"?
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00:18:02,712 --> 00:18:04,976
That's a good question. Why
was that building "blowed up"?
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And who blew it up?
- But if someone did it,
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it would be wrong.
- Yeah.
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00:18:09,719 --> 00:18:12,187
- It is wrong to take the lives
of those people.
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00:18:12,322 --> 00:18:14,620
- Yeah.
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00:18:14,758 --> 00:18:19,024
I use the pen. 'Cause the pen
is mightier than the sword.
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00:18:19,162 --> 00:18:23,656
But you always must keep a sword
handy, for when the pen fails.
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00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,997
I sleep with a .44 Magnum
under my pillow.
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- Come on...
That's what everyone says.
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00:18:30,507 --> 00:18:32,532
Is that true?
- It's true.
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00:18:32,676 --> 00:18:34,871
- If we were to go--
- The whole world knows that.
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00:18:35,011 --> 00:18:38,037
- ...look under your pillow right
now, would we see a .44 Magnum?
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00:18:38,181 --> 00:18:39,705
- Yeah.
- Honestly?
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00:18:39,850 --> 00:18:42,512
Would you take us and show us?
Right now?
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00:18:42,652 --> 00:18:45,018
He took me into his bedroom,
but told the cameraman
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00:18:45,155 --> 00:18:46,850
to stay out. Sure enough,
388
00:18:46,990 --> 00:18:50,050
there was a .44 Magnum
under his pillow.
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00:18:50,193 --> 00:18:52,388
There it is. Okay.
Is it loaded?
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00:18:52,529 --> 00:18:53,996
- Aye-yay-yay.
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00:18:54,064 --> 00:18:55,827
- Okay. I believe you.
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00:18:55,899 --> 00:18:58,834
NICHOLS HAS COCKED THE GUN
AND PUT IT TO HIS TEMPLE.
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00:18:58,902 --> 00:19:01,200
Don't do that!
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00:19:01,271 --> 00:19:02,966
You put the gun to your head.
- I know!
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00:19:03,106 --> 00:19:05,301
- Jeez!
- I'm not gonna get hurt!
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00:19:05,442 --> 00:19:08,172
- This is loaded.
- It's loaded, it's safe.
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00:19:08,311 --> 00:19:11,246
You've got to pull the trigger,
pull the hammer and shoot it.
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- Mm, put the hammer back.
- No one has a right to tell me
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that I can't have it.
That is protected
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00:19:17,087 --> 00:19:19,248
in our constitution.
- Where's it say a handgun
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00:19:19,389 --> 00:19:21,254
is protected?
- No, gun. We should...
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00:19:21,391 --> 00:19:22,915
Every citizen--
- It doesn't say "gun"!
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00:19:23,059 --> 00:19:24,924
It says "arms."
- Arms. What is arms?
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00:19:25,061 --> 00:19:27,256
- Could be a nuclear weapon.
- It's not these-- That's right,
405
00:19:27,397 --> 00:19:29,763
it could be a nuclear weapon!
- You think you should have
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00:19:29,900 --> 00:19:32,266
the right to have weapons-grade
plutonium here on the farm?
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00:19:32,402 --> 00:19:33,767
- We should be able
to have anything--
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00:19:33,904 --> 00:19:35,269
- Should you have
weapons-grade plutonium?
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00:19:35,405 --> 00:19:37,600
- I don't want it.
- But should you have the right
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00:19:37,741 --> 00:19:40,107
to have it if you did want it?
- That should be restricted.
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00:19:40,243 --> 00:19:42,734
- Ah! Ah, so you do believe
in some restrictions.
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00:19:42,879 --> 00:19:46,781
- Well, there's wackos out there.
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00:19:46,917 --> 00:19:49,943
"Happiness is a warm gun
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"Bang bang shoot shoot"
The town of Virgin,
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00:19:53,256 --> 00:19:57,989
Utah, has passed a law requiring
all residents to own guns.
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00:20:14,277 --> 00:20:16,575
- Cary McWilliams
proudly displays the target
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00:20:16,713 --> 00:20:18,977
he used to pass
his shooting test.
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00:20:19,115 --> 00:20:20,946
But the thing is,
he can't see it.
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00:20:21,084 --> 00:20:24,076
He's blind.
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00:20:24,221 --> 00:20:26,086
Cary has had a love affair
with guns
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00:20:26,223 --> 00:20:29,283
since he first got his hands
on an M-16 as a teenager.
422
00:20:29,426 --> 00:20:33,590
- I'm actually most comfortable
with assault rifles.
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00:20:33,730 --> 00:20:35,595
- Woo-hoo!
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00:20:53,116 --> 00:20:55,209
- This is a great place
to raise your children.
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00:20:55,352 --> 00:20:57,343
A really great place
to raise your kids.
426
00:20:57,487 --> 00:21:00,945
Very close-knit community
we have here.
427
00:21:01,091 --> 00:21:03,355
Everybody looks out
for everybody.
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00:21:03,493 --> 00:21:05,518
- Good people.
- Good people.
429
00:21:05,662 --> 00:21:09,462
- This just happens to be
a place where two young men
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00:21:09,599 --> 00:21:11,897
made very bad,
very wrong decisions.
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00:21:12,035 --> 00:21:15,562
And there's been international
notoriety as a result of it.
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00:21:15,705 --> 00:21:17,070
Other than that,
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00:21:17,207 --> 00:21:19,402
I don't know that Littleton
is a lot different
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than a whole lot
of other suburban communities.
435
00:21:26,783 --> 00:21:29,081
Economic Development P.R. Video
436
00:21:29,152 --> 00:21:31,120
- Good morning, Mr. Edwards,
members of the board.
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00:21:31,187 --> 00:21:33,849
I'd like to report that
I've found the perfect location
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00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:36,857
for our new corporate office,
South Metro Denver.
439
00:21:36,993 --> 00:21:38,790
You can see,
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00:21:38,928 --> 00:21:41,590
I don't need these.
Because South Metro Denver
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00:21:41,731 --> 00:21:44,757
has about the same amount
of sunshine and precipitation
442
00:21:44,901 --> 00:21:46,664
as Southern California.
It's so incredible,
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00:21:46,803 --> 00:21:49,328
you're just gonna have
to see it for yourselves.
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00:21:49,472 --> 00:21:51,633
How's this look, Mr. Edwards?
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00:22:01,384 --> 00:22:03,716
Denny Fennel
Home Security Consultant
446
00:22:03,787 --> 00:22:06,255
- We're south of Denver,
in a community called Littleton,
447
00:22:06,323 --> 00:22:08,291
and this house is pretty much
448
00:22:08,425 --> 00:22:11,758
your average middle-class
suburban home.
449
00:22:11,895 --> 00:22:13,726
The burglar or the rapist
is still here
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00:22:13,863 --> 00:22:15,228
in the neighbourhood somewhere.
451
00:22:15,365 --> 00:22:18,061
And so citizens
sometimes think that...
452
00:22:18,201 --> 00:22:19,896
I have people tell me
all the time--
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00:22:20,036 --> 00:22:23,767
- Where exactly is the burglar
or rapist right now?
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00:22:23,907 --> 00:22:26,501
If I was to try and stab you
through this, right here,
455
00:22:26,643 --> 00:22:29,077
you're gonna have to be
really close. Right?
456
00:22:29,212 --> 00:22:31,237
- And here's the bottom line
on this.
457
00:22:31,381 --> 00:22:32,746
- What if I had a spear?
458
00:22:32,882 --> 00:22:36,340
- Now, downstairs is where
the safe-room was constructed,
459
00:22:36,486 --> 00:22:39,421
and this is a solid-core door,
a very heavy door.
460
00:22:39,556 --> 00:22:42,582
And now, the criminal
has to break through this door,
461
00:22:42,726 --> 00:22:44,250
so you've created
another barrier.
462
00:22:44,394 --> 00:22:47,227
- An axe would do it.
- An axe would do it.
463
00:22:47,364 --> 00:22:49,924
I think that Columbine
did a couple of things.
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00:22:50,066 --> 00:22:54,264
One is that it changed how
we talk. That's the first thing.
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00:22:54,404 --> 00:22:56,599
- How's that?
- Well, for instance,
466
00:22:56,740 --> 00:22:58,867
if I say "Columbine,"
everybody knows what it means.
467
00:22:59,008 --> 00:23:05,106
I don't have to explain to you
that Columbine...
468
00:23:05,248 --> 00:23:07,944
- Is... What's wrong?
- Nothing, I just...
469
00:23:08,084 --> 00:23:10,211
- What's wrong?
- I-- I just...
470
00:23:10,353 --> 00:23:14,050
sometimes Columbine bothers me.
I'll be fine. Just a minute.
471
00:23:14,190 --> 00:23:16,750
- That's okay, that's okay.
- Um...
472
00:23:20,864 --> 00:23:23,924
There...
there's something, um...
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00:23:25,869 --> 00:23:31,569
something overwhelming about
that kind of... viciousness,
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00:23:31,708 --> 00:23:38,739
that kind of predatory action,
that kind of indiscriminate, uh,
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00:23:38,882 --> 00:23:41,282
killing.
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00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:45,352
World's Largest Weapons Maker
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00:23:45,622 --> 00:23:47,749
- This facility,
where we're located right now...
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00:23:47,891 --> 00:23:49,859
Evan McCollum
Lockheed Martin Public Relations
479
00:23:50,059 --> 00:23:52,027
and two other major facilities
where our employees work
480
00:23:52,095 --> 00:23:54,427
are either in
or very near Littleton.
481
00:23:54,564 --> 00:23:58,591
So we have over 5,000 employees
at these facilities,
482
00:23:58,735 --> 00:24:01,101
quite a number of whom
live in Littleton,
483
00:24:01,237 --> 00:24:03,967
many of whom have children who
attend Columbine High School.
484
00:24:04,107 --> 00:24:06,940
I suppose in one way you could
say that what happened
485
00:24:07,076 --> 00:24:09,340
at Columbine High School
is a microcosm, uh...
486
00:24:09,479 --> 00:24:12,539
of what happens
throughout the world.
487
00:24:12,682 --> 00:24:15,014
- You know the signs
that we see around here,
488
00:24:15,151 --> 00:24:16,948
the ones that say:
"We Are Columbine,"
489
00:24:17,086 --> 00:24:20,647
is that how you,
Lockheed Martin, feels,
490
00:24:20,790 --> 00:24:22,553
that you're the biggest employer
here in Littleton,
491
00:24:22,692 --> 00:24:24,557
you're the biggest weapons-
maker? "We Are Columbine."
492
00:24:24,694 --> 00:24:27,390
- I think we probably
embody that spirit,
493
00:24:27,530 --> 00:24:29,555
that, yeah, we're all members
of this community
494
00:24:29,699 --> 00:24:32,395
and that it behoves us to help
one another and to reach out
495
00:24:32,535 --> 00:24:33,900
to assist one another, yeah.
496
00:24:34,037 --> 00:24:36,062
- He told us that no one
in Littleton,
497
00:24:36,206 --> 00:24:37,571
including the executives
498
00:24:37,707 --> 00:24:40,904
at Lockheed, could figure out
why the boys at Columbine
499
00:24:41,044 --> 00:24:42,739
had resorted to violence.
500
00:24:42,879 --> 00:24:44,574
- Why would kids do this?
501
00:24:44,714 --> 00:24:49,413
Uh, some of the root of that
probably has to do
502
00:24:49,552 --> 00:24:52,419
with their anger
about various issues
503
00:24:52,555 --> 00:24:54,921
and we became aware of a program
504
00:24:55,058 --> 00:24:56,855
that provides
anger-management training.
505
00:24:56,993 --> 00:25:00,053
And so we made
a $100,000 contribution
506
00:25:00,196 --> 00:25:03,063
to the Jefferson County schools
to use this training
507
00:25:03,199 --> 00:25:07,101
in the schools. We hope to help
both teachers and students
508
00:25:07,237 --> 00:25:11,731
learn alternative ways
to deal with anger.
509
00:25:11,875 --> 00:25:14,207
- So you don't think our kids
say to themselves:
510
00:25:14,344 --> 00:25:15,902
"Well, gee, Dad goes off
511
00:25:16,045 --> 00:25:18,275
to the factory every day
and, you know,
512
00:25:18,414 --> 00:25:22,077
he built missiles." These
are weapons of mass destruction.
513
00:25:22,218 --> 00:25:24,209
What's the difference
between that mass destruction
514
00:25:24,354 --> 00:25:27,881
and the mass destruction
over at Columbine High School?
515
00:25:28,024 --> 00:25:29,855
- I guess I don't see
that connection,
516
00:25:29,993 --> 00:25:33,895
that specific connection,
because the missiles
517
00:25:34,030 --> 00:25:36,863
that you're talking about were
built and designed to defend us
518
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,128
from somebody else who would be
aggressors against us.
519
00:25:40,270 --> 00:25:42,500
Societies and countries
and governments do things
520
00:25:42,639 --> 00:25:44,402
that annoy one another.
521
00:25:44,541 --> 00:25:48,204
But we have to learn
to deal with that annoyance
522
00:25:48,344 --> 00:25:51,643
or that anger or that
frustration in appropriate ways.
523
00:25:51,781 --> 00:25:53,442
We don't get irritated
with somebody
524
00:25:53,583 --> 00:25:55,448
and just 'cause we're mad
at them, uh,
525
00:25:55,585 --> 00:25:59,487
drop a bomb or shoot at them,
or fire a missile at them.
526
00:26:03,226 --> 00:26:07,890
1953: U.S. overthrows
Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran.
527
00:26:08,798 --> 00:26:12,495
U.S. installs Shah as dictator.
528
00:26:13,169 --> 00:26:16,366
1954: U.S. overthrows
democratically-elected
President Arbenz of Guatemala.
529
00:26:16,506 --> 00:26:18,303
200,000 civilians killed.
530
00:26:19,142 --> 00:26:23,670
1963: U.S. backs assassination of
South Vietnamese President Diem.
531
00:26:24,948 --> 00:26:29,146
1963-1975: American military kills
4 million people in Southeast Asia.
532
00:26:29,819 --> 00:26:32,652
September 11, 1973:
U.S. stages coup in Chile.
533
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:35,656
Democratically-elected President
Salvator Allende assassinated.
534
00:26:35,992 --> 00:26:38,927
Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed.
535
00:26:39,295 --> 00:26:41,695
5,000 Chileans murdered.
536
00:26:42,198 --> 00:26:45,429
1977: U.S. backs military rulers
of El Salvador.
537
00:26:46,069 --> 00:26:50,529
70,000 Salvadorans and
four American nuns killed.
538
00:26:52,475 --> 00:26:57,037
1980's: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden
and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets.
539
00:26:57,180 --> 00:27:00,616
CIA gives them $3 billion.
540
00:27:00,750 --> 00:27:06,780
1981: Reagan administration
trains and funds "contras".
30,000 Nicaraguans die.
541
00:27:08,625 --> 00:27:13,426
1982: U.S. provides billions in aid
to Saddam Hussein for weapons
to kill Iranians.
542
00:27:14,564 --> 00:27:18,523
1987: White House secretly gives
Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.
543
00:27:20,336 --> 00:27:25,137
1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega
(also serving as President of Panama)
disobeys orders from Washington.
544
00:27:26,676 --> 00:27:30,840
U.S. invades Panama
and removes Noriega.
545
00:27:32,015 --> 00:27:35,542
3,000 Panamanian civilian casualties.
546
00:27:36,052 --> 00:27:39,886
1990: Iraq invades Kuwait
with weapons from U.S.
547
00:27:40,023 --> 00:27:42,753
1991: U.S. enters Iraq.
548
00:27:42,892 --> 00:27:45,725
Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.
549
00:27:46,129 --> 00:27:50,259
1998: Clinton bombs
"weapons factory" in Sudan.
550
00:27:51,401 --> 00:27:54,165
Factory turns out
to be making aspirin.
551
00:27:54,570 --> 00:27:58,404
1991 to present: American planes
bomb Iraq on a weekly basis.
552
00:27:58,541 --> 00:28:03,911
U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children
die from bombing and sanctions.
553
00:28:04,447 --> 00:28:10,443
2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled
Afghanistan $245 million in "aid."
554
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:17,623
Sept.11, 2001: Osama bin Laden
uses his expert CIA training
to murder 3,000 people.
555
00:28:20,329 --> 00:28:24,356
Oh my goodness!
Oh my word!
556
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:27,025
Oh my word!
557
00:28:30,339 --> 00:28:33,399
- South of Denver in Littleton,
on the grounds
558
00:28:33,543 --> 00:28:35,033
of the U.S. Air Force Academy,
559
00:28:35,178 --> 00:28:36,907
there sits
an actual B-52 bomber.
560
00:28:37,046 --> 00:28:40,038
The plaque underneath it
proudly proclaims
561
00:28:40,183 --> 00:28:42,674
that this plane
killed Vietnamese people
562
00:28:42,819 --> 00:28:45,515
on Christmas eve, 1972.
563
00:28:45,655 --> 00:28:50,285
It was the largest bombing
campaign of the Vietnam War.
564
00:28:50,426 --> 00:28:52,257
Just outside Denver
is Rocky Flats
565
00:28:52,395 --> 00:28:54,158
the largest plutonium-
weapons-making factory
566
00:28:54,297 --> 00:28:55,662
in the world,
567
00:28:55,798 --> 00:28:59,256
and now a massive
radioactive dump.
568
00:28:59,402 --> 00:29:01,461
A few miles away,
buried inside a mountain,
569
00:29:01,604 --> 00:29:04,732
is NORAD, which oversees
our nuclear missiles,
570
00:29:04,874 --> 00:29:06,501
many of which dot
571
00:29:06,642 --> 00:29:08,269
the Colorado landscape.
572
00:29:11,647 --> 00:29:15,913
And once a month, Lockheed
transports one of its rockets,
573
00:29:16,052 --> 00:29:17,417
with its Pentagon payload,
574
00:29:17,553 --> 00:29:19,077
through the streets
of Littleton,
575
00:29:19,222 --> 00:29:21,417
passing nearby
Columbine High School
576
00:29:21,557 --> 00:29:23,525
on its way to an air-force base
577
00:29:23,659 --> 00:29:25,752
on the other side of Denver.
578
00:29:25,895 --> 00:29:28,591
The rockets are transported
in the middle of the night,
579
00:29:28,731 --> 00:29:34,169
while the children of Columbine
are asleep.
580
00:29:42,812 --> 00:29:46,407
Largest one day bombing by U.S.
in Kosovo war
581
00:29:46,582 --> 00:29:48,550
- Twenty-two NATO missiles
582
00:29:48,684 --> 00:29:51,209
fell on the village
of Bogutovac near Kraljevo.
583
00:29:51,354 --> 00:29:54,846
Deadly cargo was dropped
upon the residential part
584
00:29:54,991 --> 00:29:56,219
of the village.
585
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:59,385
- We're striking hard at Serbia's
machinery of repression,
586
00:29:59,529 --> 00:30:01,292
while making
a deliberate effort
587
00:30:01,430 --> 00:30:03,898
to minimize harm
to innocent people.
588
00:30:04,033 --> 00:30:08,129
- On the hit list were a local
hospital and primary school.
589
00:30:09,772 --> 00:30:12,240
- We all know there has been
a terrible shooting
590
00:30:12,375 --> 00:30:15,310
at a high school
in Littleton, Colorado.
591
00:30:15,444 --> 00:30:18,971
I hope the American people will
be praying for the students,
592
00:30:19,115 --> 00:30:20,912
the parents and the teachers.
593
00:30:21,050 --> 00:30:23,541
And we'll wait
for events to unfold
594
00:30:23,686 --> 00:30:25,847
and then there'll be
more to say.
595
00:30:27,623 --> 00:30:28,954
- Jefferson County, 911.
596
00:30:29,192 --> 00:30:30,659
- There's some boy at Columbine
High School, someone killed...
597
00:30:30,893 --> 00:30:32,588
- Do you know
if anybody's injured?
598
00:30:32,695 --> 00:30:34,219
- Yes.
- They've got pipe bombs,
599
00:30:34,330 --> 00:30:35,922
pipe bombs...
600
00:30:36,065 --> 00:30:37,692
- You're shitting me.
- I'm not.
601
00:30:37,834 --> 00:30:39,768
- Student hit in the spine
at Columbine.
602
00:30:39,902 --> 00:30:41,597
- Okay.
- We've got...
603
00:30:41,737 --> 00:30:43,671
- He's shot in the head.
- He's shot in the head?
604
00:30:43,806 --> 00:30:45,933
- Deputy cashier's office.
- We have automatic weapons,
605
00:30:46,075 --> 00:30:47,440
okay?
- Yes.
606
00:30:47,577 --> 00:30:50,102
- All right. Can you get us lots
and lots of paramedics?
607
00:30:50,246 --> 00:30:53,943
- So he's still under an attack?
- Yes, sir, the school is.
608
00:30:54,083 --> 00:30:56,608
- We got a couple of kids
out in the hall that are shot,
609
00:30:56,752 --> 00:30:59,619
so they're trying to get to
them. Do not let anybody else in
610
00:30:59,755 --> 00:31:02,553
until we tell them.
- Jefferson County 911.
611
00:31:02,692 --> 00:31:04,284
- Hi, it's Izzy Povich
at NBC News.
612
00:31:04,427 --> 00:31:06,258
We're calling about
the school shooting.
613
00:31:06,395 --> 00:31:08,955
We're on the air live
right now on MSNBC.
614
00:31:09,098 --> 00:31:11,566
Can you-- Is that something
you could just, literally,
615
00:31:11,701 --> 00:31:13,828
patch through to my desk,
616
00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:16,404
or you could tell us on the air?
I could put you through
617
00:31:16,539 --> 00:31:17,904
right now--
- I understand that...
618
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,905
- Now they said he's gone
to the library;
619
00:31:20,042 --> 00:31:21,407
he stayed in the building.
620
00:31:21,544 --> 00:31:23,739
He's gone into the library
and he's in the building.
621
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,905
- Hi, this is Stephanie Gold
from Dateline. How you doing?
622
00:31:26,048 --> 00:31:27,572
- Good, how are you?
- Fine, thanks.
623
00:31:27,717 --> 00:31:30,242
- I love your show.
- Oh, I'm so glad. Thank you.
624
00:31:30,386 --> 00:31:32,877
- I watch it every night.
- Thank you.
625
00:31:33,022 --> 00:31:35,752
- Jefferson County 911.
- Yes, I'm a teacher
626
00:31:35,892 --> 00:31:39,191
at Columbine High School. There
is a shooter here with a gun.
627
00:31:39,328 --> 00:31:41,922
He just shot out a window.
- Has anybody been injured?
628
00:31:42,064 --> 00:31:45,431
- Yes! And the school
is in a panic
629
00:31:45,568 --> 00:31:48,935
and I'm in the library.
I've got students down.
630
00:31:49,071 --> 00:31:50,766
Under the tables, kids!
631
00:31:50,907 --> 00:31:53,273
Heads under the tables!
I saw a student outside!
632
00:31:53,409 --> 00:31:55,502
Okay,
633
00:31:55,645 --> 00:31:58,443
I was on hall duty, I saw a gun!
"What's going on out there?!"
634
00:31:58,581 --> 00:32:01,277
He turned the gun straight at us
and he shot, and my God,
635
00:32:01,417 --> 00:32:02,782
the window went out.
636
00:32:02,919 --> 00:32:05,513
The kid standing there with me,
I think he got hit.
637
00:32:05,655 --> 00:32:07,020
- We've got help on the way,
ma'am.
638
00:32:07,156 --> 00:32:08,851
- Oh God!
- Stay on line with me.
639
00:32:08,991 --> 00:32:12,586
- Oh God!
640
00:32:12,728 --> 00:32:15,026
- I think he's shooting
in the library right now.
641
00:32:15,164 --> 00:32:17,860
He's firing shots
from the library.
642
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,627
- Firing shots in the library.
- ...our way.
643
00:32:19,769 --> 00:32:22,465
Do we need to leave?
Okay, hold on.
644
00:32:22,605 --> 00:32:24,698
- ...inside the cafeteria
645
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,604
I'm gonna have to try and get
outta here and call you back.
646
00:32:27,743 --> 00:32:30,041
- I called in before,
trying to find out
647
00:32:30,179 --> 00:32:32,545
where I'm supposed to go
and they put me on hold
648
00:32:32,682 --> 00:32:35,549
for freaking ever!
- Hi, it's Wendy at CNN still.
649
00:32:35,685 --> 00:32:38,620
- Hi. We're just taking names
and numbers for the press.
650
00:32:38,754 --> 00:32:42,212
- Fox has somebody from
your office on now--
651
00:32:42,358 --> 00:32:43,882
- We've talked to
a bunch of people
652
00:32:44,026 --> 00:32:45,493
and we can only do so many,
653
00:32:45,628 --> 00:32:47,562
we got so many more calls
coming in.
654
00:32:47,697 --> 00:32:49,528
- I gotta get to my daughter
at Columbine.
655
00:32:49,665 --> 00:32:52,498
I've been trying for an hour, I
can't get anywhere near there...
656
00:32:52,635 --> 00:32:54,227
- Sir, okay, calm down, okay?
657
00:32:54,370 --> 00:32:56,565
- I think we're entitled
to information as parents
658
00:32:56,706 --> 00:32:59,675
on where our children are!
- We have a lot of units
659
00:32:59,809 --> 00:33:01,936
out there right now.
- I can't get anywhere near it.
660
00:33:02,078 --> 00:33:02,908
I wanna find out
661
00:33:03,045 --> 00:33:04,945
how to get in touch
with my daughter.
662
00:33:05,081 --> 00:33:07,811
How do I get information
on my daughter?
663
00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:09,474
- I don't have that information
right now--
664
00:33:09,618 --> 00:33:11,745
- Why in the hell not?
It's been over an hour!
665
00:33:11,887 --> 00:33:13,252
- My son is Eric Harris,
666
00:33:13,389 --> 00:33:15,414
and I'm afraid
that he might be involved
667
00:33:15,558 --> 00:33:17,219
with the shooting
at Columbine High School.
668
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,260
- Involved how?
669
00:33:19,395 --> 00:33:22,421
- He's a member of what they're
calling the "trench-coat mafia."
670
00:33:22,565 --> 00:33:24,760
- Have you spoken to your son?
- No, I haven't.
671
00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:27,061
Have they picked up anybody yet?
- They're still looking
672
00:33:27,203 --> 00:33:30,695
for suspects. Your son
is with who? What gang?
673
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,037
- They call them the "trench-coat
mafia". I just heard that term
674
00:33:34,176 --> 00:33:36,076
on TV.
- Stay low, because if you try
675
00:33:36,212 --> 00:33:38,237
to leave, I don't want you
to get shot.
676
00:33:38,381 --> 00:33:39,780
Stay very low and quiet.
677
00:33:39,915 --> 00:33:41,610
Low and quiet...
678
00:33:45,521 --> 00:33:48,547
- Everybody just stay quiet.
679
00:34:01,537 --> 00:34:04,938
- When the shooting was over,
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold
680
00:34:05,074 --> 00:34:09,101
had killed 12 students
and one teacher.
681
00:34:09,245 --> 00:34:12,806
Dozens of others were wounded
by the over-900 rounds of ammo
682
00:34:12,948 --> 00:34:15,473
that were fired. It is believed
that the guns that they used
683
00:34:15,618 --> 00:34:19,054
were all legally purchased
at stores and gun shows.
684
00:34:19,188 --> 00:34:21,247
And many of the bullets
were bought
685
00:34:21,390 --> 00:34:24,757
at the Littleton K-Mart
just down the street.
686
00:34:24,894 --> 00:34:27,294
- Harris's diary also detailed
ideas about hijacking
687
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:30,058
an airplane and crashing it
into New York City.
688
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,599
Some may characterize that
as fantasy...
689
00:34:32,735 --> 00:34:38,105
- In the end, they turned
the guns on themselves.
690
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:40,470
- And then he came
into the library,
691
00:34:40,609 --> 00:34:44,101
shot everybody around me,
then put a gun to my head
692
00:34:44,246 --> 00:34:47,147
and asked if we all wanted
to die and...
693
00:34:47,283 --> 00:34:49,308
- We started hearing shots
in the hall
694
00:34:49,452 --> 00:34:51,852
and then they came in
and they all told us
695
00:34:51,987 --> 00:34:54,512
to get under the desk
and we all got under the desk
696
00:34:54,657 --> 00:34:58,650
and then they started coming in
the library and opening fire...
697
00:34:58,794 --> 00:35:01,319
- I just started screaming
and crying and telling them
698
00:35:01,464 --> 00:35:04,729
not to shoot me.
And so he shot the girl,
699
00:35:04,867 --> 00:35:07,597
he shot her in the head
in front of me.
700
00:35:07,736 --> 00:35:12,002
Then he shot the black kid,
because he was black.
701
00:35:14,743 --> 00:35:17,007
- I have only five words for you:
702
00:35:17,113 --> 00:35:19,707
From my cold, dead hands.
703
00:35:22,651 --> 00:35:24,312
- Just 10 days after
the Columbine killings,
704
00:35:24,453 --> 00:35:25,852
despite the pleas
705
00:35:25,988 --> 00:35:28,513
of a community in mourning,
706
00:35:28,657 --> 00:35:31,820
Charlton Heston came to Denver
and held a large pro-gun rally
707
00:35:31,961 --> 00:35:33,861
for the National
Rifle Association.
708
00:35:33,996 --> 00:35:37,329
- Good morning.
- Good morning.
709
00:35:37,466 --> 00:35:38,831
Thank you all
710
00:35:38,968 --> 00:35:43,564
for coming and thank you for
supporting your organization.
711
00:35:43,706 --> 00:35:47,335
I also want to applaud your
courage in coming here today.
712
00:35:47,476 --> 00:35:51,845
I have a message
from the mayor,
713
00:35:51,981 --> 00:35:53,676
Mr. Wellington Webb,
the mayor of Denver.
714
00:35:55,317 --> 00:35:58,081
- No, no, no, no, no.
715
00:35:58,220 --> 00:36:01,246
He sent me this,
716
00:36:01,390 --> 00:36:05,349
and it says: "Don't come here.
We don't want you here."
717
00:36:05,494 --> 00:36:09,430
I said to the mayor,
"This is our country.
718
00:36:09,565 --> 00:36:13,160
As Americans we're free
to travel wherever we want
719
00:36:13,302 --> 00:36:16,271
in our broad land."
720
00:36:24,513 --> 00:36:28,381
Don't come here?
We're already here.
721
00:36:35,491 --> 00:36:37,959
- I am here today...
722
00:36:38,093 --> 00:36:41,585
because my son Daniel
would want me to be here today.
723
00:36:52,441 --> 00:36:56,070
If my son Daniel
was not one of the victims,
724
00:36:56,212 --> 00:36:58,976
he would be here with me today.
725
00:37:03,586 --> 00:37:07,420
Something is wrong
in this country...
726
00:37:07,556 --> 00:37:10,081
when a child...
727
00:37:10,226 --> 00:37:14,686
can grab a gun...
grab a gun so easily...
728
00:37:14,830 --> 00:37:17,230
and shoot a bullet...
729
00:37:20,336 --> 00:37:25,399
into the middle of a child's
face, as my son experienced.
730
00:37:27,009 --> 00:37:28,408
Something is wrong.
731
00:37:28,544 --> 00:37:33,413
But the time has come
to come to understand
732
00:37:33,549 --> 00:37:37,883
that a Tech-9 semi-automatic
30-bullet weapon
733
00:37:38,020 --> 00:37:40,614
like that that killed my son,
734
00:37:40,756 --> 00:37:42,883
is not used to kill deer.
735
00:37:43,025 --> 00:37:46,620
It has no useful purpose.
736
00:37:46,762 --> 00:37:50,095
It is time to address
this problem.
737
00:37:53,335 --> 00:37:55,895
- We have work to do,
hearts to heal,
738
00:37:56,038 --> 00:37:59,132
evil to defeat
and a country to unite.
739
00:37:59,275 --> 00:38:01,243
We may have differences, yes,
740
00:38:01,377 --> 00:38:05,404
and we will again suffer tragedy
almost beyond description.
741
00:38:05,547 --> 00:38:08,175
But when the sun sets
on Denver tonight,
742
00:38:08,317 --> 00:38:13,516
and forever more, let it
always set on we the people,
743
00:38:13,656 --> 00:38:18,355
secure in our land of the free
and home of the brave.
744
00:38:18,494 --> 00:38:21,861
I, for one, plan to do my part.
745
00:38:21,997 --> 00:38:23,521
Thank you.
746
00:38:26,535 --> 00:38:28,196
- Or like when they had
their convention in Colorado,
747
00:38:31,006 --> 00:38:32,337
a week, whatever,
the month after Columbine,
748
00:38:32,441 --> 00:38:33,703
that was just stupid.
Just don't do that.
749
00:38:33,842 --> 00:38:36,470
Of course you have "the right
to," but what are you doing?
750
00:38:36,612 --> 00:38:39,376
Upsetting a whole city full of
people, why would you do that?
751
00:38:39,515 --> 00:38:42,712
- This is Matt Stone.
He grew up in Littleton
752
00:38:42,851 --> 00:38:45,046
and has fond memories
of Columbine.
753
00:38:45,187 --> 00:38:47,553
- Yeah, Columbine,
it's just a crappy school
754
00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:49,715
in the middle of a bunch
of crappy houses.
755
00:38:49,858 --> 00:38:51,826
- Matt and his friend
Trey Parker
756
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,587
found a way to take out
757
00:38:53,729 --> 00:38:56,664
their anger of being different
in Littleton
758
00:38:56,799 --> 00:39:02,635
and turn it not into carnage,
but into a cartoon.
759
00:39:02,771 --> 00:39:08,038
"Just another Sunday morning
In my quiet...
760
00:39:08,177 --> 00:39:10,304
"Mountain town"
761
00:39:12,948 --> 00:39:15,746
"You can see your breath
Hanging in the air
762
00:39:15,884 --> 00:39:18,011
"You see homeless people
But you just don't care
763
00:39:18,153 --> 00:39:21,520
"It's a sea of smiles
In which we'd be glad to drown
764
00:39:21,657 --> 00:39:24,148
"It's Sunday morning
In our quiet little
765
00:39:24,293 --> 00:39:26,454
"White-bread redneck
mountain town"
766
00:39:26,595 --> 00:39:28,529
- Columbine is a normal
high school--
767
00:39:28,664 --> 00:39:30,256
- Yeah.
- ...in a normal suburb--
768
00:39:30,399 --> 00:39:31,764
- Yeah.
- ...you know, basically.
769
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:33,595
- Yeah. Painfully, painfully,
painfully normal.
770
00:39:33,736 --> 00:39:36,762
Just absolutely, painfully,
horribly average.
771
00:39:36,905 --> 00:39:39,635
Littleton in general is...
772
00:39:39,775 --> 00:39:43,108
I remember being in sixth grade
and I...
773
00:39:43,245 --> 00:39:45,611
had to take the math test
to get into Honors Math
774
00:39:45,748 --> 00:39:47,613
in the seventh grade.
And they're, like,
775
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:49,945
"Don't screw this up.
Because if you screw this up,
776
00:39:50,085 --> 00:39:52,110
you won't get into Honors Math
in seventh grade.
777
00:39:52,254 --> 00:39:54,279
And if you don't get in
in seventh grade,
778
00:39:54,423 --> 00:39:56,618
you won't in eighth grade,
then not in ninth grade.
779
00:39:56,759 --> 00:39:58,954
And 10th and 11th grade
and you'll just die poor
780
00:39:59,094 --> 00:40:00,561
and lonely."
And that's it, you know?
781
00:40:00,696 --> 00:40:05,633
You believe, in high school -
and a lot of it is kids,
782
00:40:05,768 --> 00:40:07,963
but the teachers and counsellors
and principals
783
00:40:08,103 --> 00:40:12,563
don't help things.
They scare you into conforming
784
00:40:12,708 --> 00:40:15,575
and doing good in school by
saying: "If you're a loser now,
785
00:40:15,711 --> 00:40:17,406
you're gonna be a loser
forever."
786
00:40:17,546 --> 00:40:19,741
So that with Eric and Dylan,
people called them "fag."
787
00:40:19,882 --> 00:40:21,247
They're like, "You know what?
788
00:40:21,383 --> 00:40:23,408
If I'm a fag,
now I'm a fag forever."
789
00:40:23,552 --> 00:40:26,043
And you wish someone just
could've grabbed them and gone,
790
00:40:26,188 --> 00:40:28,418
"Dude, high school's
not the end of...
791
00:40:28,557 --> 00:40:31,117
A year, a year and a half,
was it? I don't even know.
792
00:40:31,260 --> 00:40:34,093
You just move out--
- No, no, they were two weeks
793
00:40:34,229 --> 00:40:37,255
away from graduation.
- Yeah, you're done.
794
00:40:37,399 --> 00:40:39,765
It's amazing how fast you lose
touch with all those people.
795
00:40:39,902 --> 00:40:42,769
They just beat it in your head
as early as sixth grade:
796
00:40:42,905 --> 00:40:44,600
"Don't fuck up.
'Cause if you do,
797
00:40:44,740 --> 00:40:46,264
you're gonna die poor
and lonely.
798
00:40:46,408 --> 00:40:48,433
You don't want to do that."
You're, like, "Fuck,
799
00:40:48,577 --> 00:40:50,602
whatever I am now,
I'm that forever." Of course,
800
00:40:50,746 --> 00:40:52,941
it's completely opposite.
All the dorks in high school
801
00:40:53,081 --> 00:40:55,447
go on to do great things
and all the really cool guys
802
00:40:55,584 --> 00:40:58,610
are all living back in
Littleton as insurance agents.
803
00:40:58,754 --> 00:41:01,621
Almost person to person,
it's completely that way.
804
00:41:01,757 --> 00:41:03,918
If somebody
could've told them that,
805
00:41:04,059 --> 00:41:06,357
maybe they would've
have done it, but...
806
00:41:06,495 --> 00:41:08,463
- I guess we'll never know
why they did it,
807
00:41:08,597 --> 00:41:10,531
but one thing adults
should never forget:
808
00:41:10,666 --> 00:41:13,226
It still sucks
being a teenager.
809
00:41:13,368 --> 00:41:15,529
And it really sucks
going to school.
810
00:41:15,671 --> 00:41:17,070
- What's your view
on high school?
811
00:41:17,206 --> 00:41:18,571
- Uh, I love it.
812
00:41:18,707 --> 00:41:20,675
Columbine Student Video
813
00:41:20,876 --> 00:41:23,401
Uh, I learn, I get picked on
by bastards who hate me,
814
00:41:23,545 --> 00:41:26,173
and the principal's a dick.
815
00:41:26,315 --> 00:41:28,442
- All right.
What causes school violence?
816
00:41:28,584 --> 00:41:30,575
- Uh... him.
817
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,882
- Him?
- Yeah.
818
00:41:34,022 --> 00:41:36,923
- Yes, and after Columbine,
it really sucked
819
00:41:37,059 --> 00:41:38,583
being a student in America.
820
00:41:38,727 --> 00:41:40,854
Since last spring's shooting,
821
00:41:40,996 --> 00:41:43,260
at Columbine High,
schools nationwide
822
00:41:43,398 --> 00:41:45,366
have extended
zero-tolerance policies,
823
00:41:45,501 --> 00:41:48,095
suspending and expelling
students for all kinds
824
00:41:48,237 --> 00:41:50,933
of behaviour considered unruly,
825
00:41:51,073 --> 00:41:53,598
or warning signs
of violence to come.
826
00:41:53,742 --> 00:41:56,438
This second-grader in Illinois
was suspended for 10 days
827
00:41:56,578 --> 00:41:58,273
for bringing a nail clipper
to class
828
00:41:58,413 --> 00:42:00,108
"That's a weapon,"
his school said.
829
00:42:00,249 --> 00:42:02,342
- An elementary school
suspended a first-grader
830
00:42:02,484 --> 00:42:04,782
for pointing a chicken strip
at a teacher in the cafeteria.
831
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,514
The eight-year-old
was fooling around with a friend
832
00:42:07,656 --> 00:42:10,557
at lunch last week when he
pointed a breaded-chicken finger
833
00:42:10,692 --> 00:42:12,785
at a teacher and then said:
"Pow pow.
834
00:42:12,928 --> 00:42:15,123
- He pointed a folded piece
of paper shaped like a gun,
835
00:42:15,264 --> 00:42:17,459
and told his classmates
he was going to kill them
836
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:19,794
during a game
of cops and robbers.
837
00:42:19,935 --> 00:42:22,802
- If this isn't a warning sign,
then what is it?
838
00:42:22,938 --> 00:42:25,065
- This Virginia high-school
student spent a month
839
00:42:25,207 --> 00:42:26,697
out of classes,
originally sent home
840
00:42:26,842 --> 00:42:29,538
for dying his hair blue.
- A high-school honour student
841
00:42:29,678 --> 00:42:31,737
from Michigan could be expelled
later today
842
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,313
in a school-board hearing.
843
00:42:33,448 --> 00:42:35,916
Seventeen-year-old Jeremy Hicks
wore a Scottish
844
00:42:36,051 --> 00:42:39,714
bagpiper's outfit to his junior
prom that included
845
00:42:39,855 --> 00:42:43,256
a plaid kilt, a feathered hat
and a traditional knife
846
00:42:43,392 --> 00:42:45,155
known as a "skein dhu."
847
00:42:45,294 --> 00:42:46,818
- This T-shirt
848
00:42:46,962 --> 00:42:48,429
landed a high-school student
in court.
849
00:42:48,564 --> 00:42:50,657
She wanted to start
an anarchy club.
850
00:42:50,799 --> 00:42:52,926
- The little time-bombs
that are out there ticking,
851
00:42:53,068 --> 00:42:55,935
waiting to go off. And there are
many of them in every community.
852
00:42:56,071 --> 00:42:58,437
- Students in at least seven
different states
853
00:42:58,574 --> 00:43:00,132
have been suspended or arrested
854
00:43:00,275 --> 00:43:03,676
for talking about or planning
plots of their own.
855
00:43:03,812 --> 00:43:05,439
- It's almost
like guerrilla warfare.
856
00:43:05,581 --> 00:43:07,549
You don't know
from which direction
857
00:43:07,649 --> 00:43:08,980
the enemy will be coming.
858
00:43:11,787 --> 00:43:13,118
Marketing video from
Garrett Metal Detectors
859
00:43:13,221 --> 00:43:14,449
- Having a well-conceived
and strictly enforced dress code
860
00:43:14,523 --> 00:43:15,922
can dramatically improve
the safety of a school,
861
00:43:16,058 --> 00:43:18,117
and can ensure a positive
learning environment
862
00:43:18,260 --> 00:43:19,625
for everyone.
863
00:43:19,761 --> 00:43:22,025
As this student's appearance
demonstrates,
864
00:43:22,164 --> 00:43:25,224
having a lax policy about dress
makes it easy
865
00:43:25,367 --> 00:43:27,198
for a student
to conceal a weapon
866
00:43:27,336 --> 00:43:31,102
and makes it difficult
to identify intruders on campus.
867
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,901
A dress code can reduce
weapons violations,
868
00:43:34,042 --> 00:43:38,502
relieve tensions between gangs,
reduce disciplinary infractions
869
00:43:38,647 --> 00:43:41,445
and generally improve
the atmosphere of the school.
870
00:43:41,583 --> 00:43:44,814
Our policy requires that
students tuck in their shirts,
871
00:43:44,953 --> 00:43:47,717
making the beltline visible
at all times.
872
00:43:47,856 --> 00:43:50,086
Our students may not wear
baggy pants
873
00:43:50,225 --> 00:43:53,251
or colours or insignias
that are commonly associated
874
00:43:53,395 --> 00:43:55,090
with gang activity.
875
00:43:55,230 --> 00:43:58,028
This policy
was a collaborative effort.
876
00:43:58,166 --> 00:44:01,624
- Yes, our children were indeed
something to fear.
877
00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:07,002
They had turned
into little monsters.
878
00:44:07,142 --> 00:44:09,337
But who was to blame?
879
00:44:09,478 --> 00:44:10,911
All the experts had an answer.
880
00:44:11,046 --> 00:44:14,573
- Angry, heavy-metal subculture.
881
00:44:14,716 --> 00:44:17,082
- Where were the parents?
- Violent movies.
882
00:44:17,219 --> 00:44:20,484
- "South Park." - Video games.
- Television. - Entertainment.
883
00:44:20,622 --> 00:44:23,216
- Satan. - Cartoons.
- Films. - Society. - Toy guns.
884
00:44:23,358 --> 00:44:26,259
- Drugs.
- Shock-rocker Marilyn Manson.
885
00:44:26,395 --> 00:44:29,330
Marilyn Manson.
886
00:44:29,464 --> 00:44:32,058
- Marilyn Manson has cancelled
the last five dates
887
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,567
of his U.S, tour out of respect
for those lost in Littleton.
888
00:44:35,704 --> 00:44:38,104
But the singer
says artists like himself
889
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:40,105
are not the ones to blame.
890
00:44:42,177 --> 00:44:43,940
- This is perhaps
the sickest group ever promoted
891
00:44:44,046 --> 00:44:46,776
by a mainstream record company.
892
00:44:46,915 --> 00:44:49,008
"I'm not a slave
893
00:44:49,151 --> 00:44:50,675
"to a god
894
00:44:50,819 --> 00:44:53,515
"that doesn't exist"
895
00:44:53,655 --> 00:44:55,418
- After Columbine, it seemed
896
00:44:55,557 --> 00:44:57,991
that the entire focus
on why the shootings occurred
897
00:44:58,126 --> 00:44:59,388
was because the killers
898
00:44:59,528 --> 00:45:01,758
listened to Marilyn Manson.
899
00:45:01,897 --> 00:45:03,762
Two years after Columbine,
900
00:45:03,899 --> 00:45:06,094
Manson finally returned
to Denver.
901
00:45:06,234 --> 00:45:08,065
- The Oz Fest
at Mile High Stadium
902
00:45:08,203 --> 00:45:10,398
brings shock-rocker Marilyn
Manson to Denver tomorrow.
903
00:45:10,539 --> 00:45:13,804
- There were protests
from the religious right.
904
00:45:13,942 --> 00:45:16,035
But I thought I'd go
and talk with him myself.
905
00:45:16,178 --> 00:45:18,578
- When I was a kid growing up,
music was the escape.
906
00:45:18,714 --> 00:45:20,579
That's the only thing
907
00:45:20,716 --> 00:45:24,550
that had no judgements.
You can put on a record
908
00:45:24,686 --> 00:45:27,985
and it's not gonna yell at you
for dressing the way you do.
909
00:45:28,123 --> 00:45:30,318
It's gonna make you
feel better about it.
910
00:45:30,459 --> 00:45:33,656
- Some will be so brash
to ask if we believe
911
00:45:33,795 --> 00:45:35,990
that all who hear Manson
tomorrow night
912
00:45:36,131 --> 00:45:38,361
will go out
and commit violent acts.
913
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:41,492
The answer is "no."
But does everybody
914
00:45:41,636 --> 00:45:44,571
who watches a Lexus ad
go and buy a Lexus?
915
00:45:44,706 --> 00:45:46,833
No. But a few do.
916
00:45:46,975 --> 00:45:50,274
- I definitely can see
why they would pick me,
917
00:45:50,412 --> 00:45:53,813
because I think it's easy
to throw my face on a TV,
918
00:45:53,949 --> 00:45:58,477
because I'm, in the end,
sort of a poster boy for fear.
919
00:45:58,620 --> 00:46:01,953
Because I represent
what everyone's afraid of,
920
00:46:02,090 --> 00:46:04,354
because I do and say
what I want.
921
00:46:04,493 --> 00:46:07,587
- If Marilyn Manson can walk
into our town and promote hate,
922
00:46:07,729 --> 00:46:10,596
violence, suicide,
death, drug use
923
00:46:10,732 --> 00:46:12,529
and Columbine-like behaviour,
924
00:46:12,667 --> 00:46:15,864
I can say, "Not without
a fight, you can't."
925
00:46:16,004 --> 00:46:21,499
- The two by-products of
that whole tragedy were, uh...
926
00:46:21,643 --> 00:46:24,111
violence in entertainment
and gun control.
927
00:46:24,246 --> 00:46:27,374
And how perfect that
that was the two things
928
00:46:27,516 --> 00:46:29,541
that we were gonna talk about
with the upcoming election.
929
00:46:29,684 --> 00:46:32,050
And also, then we forgot
about Monica Lewinsky
930
00:46:32,187 --> 00:46:34,052
and we forgot about...
931
00:46:34,189 --> 00:46:36,555
The president was shooting
bombs overseas,
932
00:46:36,691 --> 00:46:42,561
yet I'm a bad guy because I sing
some rock'n'roll songs.
933
00:46:42,697 --> 00:46:45,564
And who's a bigger influence,
the president or Marilyn Manson?
934
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:48,328
I'd like to think me, but I'm
gonna go with the president.
935
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:50,563
- Do you know the day
that Columbine happened,
936
00:46:50,705 --> 00:46:53,071
the United States dropped
more bombs on Kosovo
937
00:46:53,208 --> 00:46:55,073
than any other time
during that war?
938
00:46:55,210 --> 00:46:57,508
- I do know that and I think
that's really ironic,
939
00:46:57,646 --> 00:47:01,582
that nobody said, "Well, maybe
the president had an influence
940
00:47:01,716 --> 00:47:03,581
on this violent behaviour.
941
00:47:03,718 --> 00:47:05,913
Because that's not the way
the media wants to take it
942
00:47:06,054 --> 00:47:08,045
and spin it
and turn it into fear.
943
00:47:08,190 --> 00:47:10,055
'Cause then you're
watching television,
944
00:47:10,192 --> 00:47:13,025
you're watching the news; you're
being pumped full of fear.
945
00:47:13,161 --> 00:47:15,721
And there's floods,
there's AIDS, there's murder.
946
00:47:15,864 --> 00:47:19,527
You cut to commercial,
buy the Acura, buy the Colgate.
947
00:47:19,668 --> 00:47:22,034
If you have bad breath,
they're not gonna talk to you.
948
00:47:22,170 --> 00:47:24,866
If you got pimples,
the girl's not gonna fuck you.
949
00:47:25,006 --> 00:47:29,409
It's a campaign of fear
and consumption.
950
00:47:29,544 --> 00:47:31,535
And that's what I think
that's it's all based on,
951
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,342
is the whole idea that:
keep everyone afraid,
952
00:47:34,482 --> 00:47:37,883
and they'll consume.
And that's really as simple
953
00:47:38,019 --> 00:47:40,249
as it can be boiled down to.
- Right.
954
00:47:40,388 --> 00:47:42,549
If you were to talk directly
to the kids at Columbine
955
00:47:42,691 --> 00:47:44,556
and the people
in that community,
956
00:47:44,693 --> 00:47:47,059
what would you say to them,
if they here right now?
957
00:47:47,195 --> 00:47:49,060
- I wouldn't say
a single word to them.
958
00:47:49,197 --> 00:47:51,062
I would listen to what
they have to say.
959
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:53,827
And that's what no one did.
960
00:47:53,969 --> 00:47:56,563
- I'm Nicole Shleif.
- And I'm Amanda Lamontagne.
961
00:47:56,705 --> 00:47:58,673
- And you went to Columbine?
- Yes.
962
00:47:58,807 --> 00:48:00,900
- And you were with
Eric and Dylan?
963
00:48:01,042 --> 00:48:02,907
In their class?
- Yeah,
964
00:48:03,044 --> 00:48:05,569
we were in their bowling class.
- In their bowling class?
965
00:48:05,714 --> 00:48:07,579
- Yes.
- What's bowling class?
966
00:48:07,716 --> 00:48:11,413
- Just an elective you can
take for a gym credit.
967
00:48:11,553 --> 00:48:14,044
- Where's the educational value
of this, though?
968
00:48:16,658 --> 00:48:18,523
- Um... I guess
there isn't really any.
969
00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:20,525
- No, there's not.
970
00:48:20,662 --> 00:48:24,792
- I learned how to bowl a lot
better, that's for sure.
971
00:48:24,933 --> 00:48:27,026
- What were Eric Harris
and Dylan Klebold like?
972
00:48:27,168 --> 00:48:29,033
- Weird.
- Yeah?
973
00:48:29,170 --> 00:48:31,035
- I mean, not very social.
974
00:48:31,172 --> 00:48:33,037
- I didn't really know
who they were.
975
00:48:33,174 --> 00:48:36,666
- Not very social, just
kinda kept to themselves.
976
00:48:36,811 --> 00:48:39,143
- How good a bowlers
were Eric and Dylan?
977
00:48:39,281 --> 00:48:41,613
- When we played them,
978
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:44,048
all I remember is they
were just, like, crazy.
979
00:48:44,185 --> 00:48:46,449
They would just chuck the ball.
- Chuck it down there.
980
00:48:46,588 --> 00:48:49,557
- Throw the ball down; didn't
really care how they bowled.
981
00:48:49,691 --> 00:48:51,852
- Yeah, they didn't really
care about their scores.
982
00:48:51,993 --> 00:48:53,961
Deputy Sheriff Steve Davis - What were
the suspects doing the morning of attack?
983
00:48:54,029 --> 00:48:55,690
I told you that I'd heard
that they were bowling;
984
00:48:55,830 --> 00:48:57,593
that's the only thing
I'm aware of.
985
00:48:57,732 --> 00:49:00,565
- So did Dylan and Eric
show up that morning
986
00:49:00,702 --> 00:49:02,761
and bowl two games
before moving on
987
00:49:02,904 --> 00:49:04,769
to shoot up the school?
988
00:49:04,906 --> 00:49:07,238
And did they just chuck
the balls down the lane?
989
00:49:07,375 --> 00:49:09,240
Did this mean something?
990
00:49:09,377 --> 00:49:12,403
- Um, I guess they went
to their favourite class.
991
00:49:14,516 --> 00:49:16,040
- Why wasn't anyone
blaming bowling
992
00:49:16,184 --> 00:49:17,344
for warping the minds
of Eric and Dylan
993
00:49:17,452 --> 00:49:19,147
to commit their evil deeds?
994
00:49:19,287 --> 00:49:23,656
Wasn't that just as plausible
as blaming Marilyn Manson?
995
00:49:23,792 --> 00:49:25,692
After all,
996
00:49:25,827 --> 00:49:27,692
it was apparently
the last thing they did
997
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:30,491
before the massacre.
998
00:49:30,632 --> 00:49:33,362
But wait a minute. There's
lots of bowling going on
999
00:49:33,501 --> 00:49:36,993
in other countries.
1000
00:49:37,138 --> 00:49:39,504
And don't they listen
to Marilyn Manson in Germany,
1001
00:49:39,641 --> 00:49:41,575
the home of sinister
Goth music?
1002
00:49:41,710 --> 00:49:43,837
- Some Gothic festival.
"Ah"
1003
00:49:43,979 --> 00:49:47,312
- Don't they watch the same
violent movies in France?
1004
00:49:51,286 --> 00:49:54,084
Most of the violent video
games are from Japan.
1005
00:49:56,725 --> 00:49:58,022
Many people in America believe
1006
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:00,593
that it's the break-up
of the family unit
1007
00:50:00,729 --> 00:50:02,629
that's caused so many wayward
youth to turn to violence.
1008
00:50:02,764 --> 00:50:05,130
- I'll save you the trouble.
I'll run away and kill myself!
1009
00:50:05,266 --> 00:50:07,632
How would you like that?
You can't keep me here!
1010
00:50:07,769 --> 00:50:09,259
- But statistics show
1011
00:50:09,404 --> 00:50:11,497
that there are more
broken homes and divorce
1012
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:13,334
in Great Britain
than in the U.S.
1013
00:50:13,475 --> 00:50:17,172
- It's official:
Fergie's marriage has ended.
1014
00:50:17,312 --> 00:50:20,907
- Liberals contend that it's all
the poverty we have in America
1015
00:50:21,049 --> 00:50:22,846
that causes all this violence.
1016
00:50:22,984 --> 00:50:25,077
But the unemployment rate
in Canada
1017
00:50:25,220 --> 00:50:28,087
is twice what it is here.
Of course, most people say
1018
00:50:28,223 --> 00:50:30,987
it's because we Americans
have a violent history,
1019
00:50:31,126 --> 00:50:33,356
a violent past.
Cowboys and Indians,
1020
00:50:33,495 --> 00:50:35,520
the Wild West,
1021
00:50:35,663 --> 00:50:37,597
a history of conquering
and bloodshed.
1022
00:50:37,732 --> 00:50:39,597
Well, if that's all
it takes to end up
1023
00:50:39,734 --> 00:50:41,964
with such a violent society
1024
00:50:42,103 --> 00:50:44,003
like we have in America,
how do you explain this?
1025
00:50:44,806 --> 00:50:47,206
GERMANS EXTERMINATE 12 MILLION
1026
00:50:49,444 --> 00:50:51,537
JAPANESE OCCUPATION OF CHINA
1027
00:50:55,183 --> 00:50:58,277
FRENCH MASSACRE IN ALGIERS
1028
00:51:01,256 --> 00:51:04,089
BRITISH SLAUGHTER IN INDIA
1029
00:51:05,527 --> 00:51:07,518
Yet in spite of all this,
1030
00:51:07,662 --> 00:51:09,027
how many people are killed
by guns each year?
1031
00:51:11,132 --> 00:51:13,225
In Germany:
1032
00:51:14,969 --> 00:51:16,630
In France:
1033
00:51:19,607 --> 00:51:21,905
In Canada:
1034
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:26,647
In the United Kingdom:
1035
00:51:29,617 --> 00:51:31,642
In Australia:
1036
00:51:34,222 --> 00:51:35,450
In Japan:
1037
00:51:38,259 --> 00:51:40,159
In the United States:
1038
00:51:44,732 --> 00:51:48,498
- But that, to me, brings up
an important question:
1039
00:51:48,636 --> 00:51:51,104
Then what is so different
about Americans?
1040
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,366
Tom Mauser
Father of Columbine victim
1041
00:51:53,575 --> 00:51:54,701
Are we homicidal in nature?
1042
00:51:56,111 --> 00:51:59,012
Because in Europe and Australia,
1043
00:51:59,147 --> 00:52:01,615
most other free-world countries,
they don't have this.
1044
00:52:01,749 --> 00:52:05,116
They don't have people who snap
and go on murderous rampages.
1045
00:52:05,253 --> 00:52:07,721
- Well, no, they're just like us.
They have the occasional person
1046
00:52:07,856 --> 00:52:10,120
that snaps and kills
a lot of people.
1047
00:52:10,258 --> 00:52:13,091
How about a British soccer riot?
Those aren't Quakers there,
1048
00:52:13,228 --> 00:52:15,219
- Every time that
I bring up comparisons
1049
00:52:15,363 --> 00:52:17,228
with other free-world countries,
what I hear is:
1050
00:52:17,365 --> 00:52:19,390
"Oh, our culture is so
different. We're so different."
1051
00:52:19,534 --> 00:52:21,559
And as you said, they have
violent video games,
1052
00:52:21,703 --> 00:52:24,570
they have violent movies,
they have alienated youth,
1053
00:52:24,706 --> 00:52:27,573
they - like us - don't have
prayer in schools.
1054
00:52:27,709 --> 00:52:31,941
What is so radically different?
What is it about us?
1055
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,071
- What is it?
- What is it?
1056
00:52:34,449 --> 00:52:36,076
- What is it?
- What is it?
1057
00:52:36,217 --> 00:52:38,947
I don't know.
1058
00:52:41,389 --> 00:52:44,119
- Now, it's time for...
1059
00:52:44,225 --> 00:52:46,386
Hi, boys and girls.
Ready to get started?
1060
00:52:46,528 --> 00:52:48,462
Once upon a time, there were
these people in Europe
1061
00:52:48,596 --> 00:52:52,464
called pilgrims and they were
afraid of being persecuted.
1062
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,228
So they all got in a boat
and sailed to the New World
1063
00:52:55,370 --> 00:52:58,032
where they wouldn't have
to be scared ever again.
1064
00:52:58,173 --> 00:53:00,937
- Oh, I'm so relaxed.
- I feel so much safer.
1065
00:53:01,075 --> 00:53:04,067
- But as soon as they arrived,
they were greeted by savages.
1066
00:53:04,212 --> 00:53:06,407
They got scared all over again.
- Injuns!
1067
00:53:06,548 --> 00:53:08,175
- So they killed them all.
Now, you'd think
1068
00:53:08,316 --> 00:53:10,876
wiping out a race of people
would calm them down, but no.
1069
00:53:11,019 --> 00:53:13,249
Instead, they started getting
frightened of each other.
1070
00:53:13,388 --> 00:53:15,549
- Witch!
- So they burned witches.
1071
00:53:15,690 --> 00:53:17,055
In 1775,
1072
00:53:17,192 --> 00:53:19,956
they started killing the
British, so they could be free.
1073
00:53:20,094 --> 00:53:22,858
And it worked.
But they still didn't feel safe.
1074
00:53:22,997 --> 00:53:26,023
So they passed a 2nd amendment,
which said every white man
1075
00:53:26,167 --> 00:53:28,328
could keep his gun.
- I loves my gun, loves my gun.
1076
00:53:28,469 --> 00:53:31,267
- This brings us to
the genius idea of slavery.
1077
00:53:31,406 --> 00:53:33,340
You see, boys and girls,
the white people back then
1078
00:53:33,474 --> 00:53:35,806
were also afraid of doing any
work. So they went to Africa,
1079
00:53:35,944 --> 00:53:38,105
kidnapped thousands of black
people, brought them to America,
1080
00:53:38,246 --> 00:53:40,373
and forced them to work
very hard for no money.
1081
00:53:40,515 --> 00:53:42,380
And I don't mean no money like:
1082
00:53:42,517 --> 00:53:44,280
"I work at Wal-Mart
and make no money."
1083
00:53:44,419 --> 00:53:46,580
I mean zero dollars.
Nothing, nada, zip.
1084
00:53:46,721 --> 00:53:48,586
Doing it that way made the USA
1085
00:53:48,723 --> 00:53:50,418
the richest country
in the world.
1086
00:53:50,558 --> 00:53:52,583
So did having all that money
and free help
1087
00:53:52,727 --> 00:53:55,594
calm the white people down? No
way. They got even more afraid.
1088
00:53:55,730 --> 00:53:57,960
That's because after
200 years of slavery,
1089
00:53:58,099 --> 00:54:00,499
the black people now outnumbered
the white people in many parts
1090
00:54:00,635 --> 00:54:02,865
of the South. Well, you can
pretty much what came next.
1091
00:54:03,004 --> 00:54:04,904
The slaves started rebelling.
There were uprisings
1092
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:06,734
and old masters' heads
got chopped off
1093
00:54:06,874 --> 00:54:09,172
and when white people heard of
this, they were freaking out.
1094
00:54:09,310 --> 00:54:11,107
They going:
- I want to live!
1095
00:54:11,246 --> 00:54:13,009
Don't kill me, big black man.
1096
00:54:13,147 --> 00:54:16,082
- Well, just in the nick of time
came Samuel Colt, who,
1097
00:54:16,217 --> 00:54:19,015
in 1836, invented the first
weapon ever that could be fired
1098
00:54:19,153 --> 00:54:20,916
over and over without
having to reload.
1099
00:54:21,055 --> 00:54:23,683
And all the settlers were, like:
- Yee-hah!
1100
00:54:23,825 --> 00:54:26,953
- But it was too late.
The North soon won the Civil War
1101
00:54:27,095 --> 00:54:31,623
and the slaves were free to go
chop the old masters' heads off.
1102
00:54:31,766 --> 00:54:33,996
Then everybody was, like:
- Oh, no, we're gonna die.
1103
00:54:34,135 --> 00:54:36,501
- But the freed slaves
took no revenge.
1104
00:54:36,638 --> 00:54:39,072
They just wanted
to live in peace.
1105
00:54:39,207 --> 00:54:41,801
But you couldn't convince
the white people of this.
1106
00:54:41,943 --> 00:54:44,935
So they formed the Ku Klux Klan
and, in 1871,
1107
00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:48,048
the same year the Klan became an
illegal terrorist organization,
1108
00:54:48,182 --> 00:54:51,879
another group was founded:
the National Rifle Association.
1109
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:53,988
Soon, politicians passed
one of the first gun laws,
1110
00:54:54,122 --> 00:54:57,250
making it illegal for any black
person to own one.
1111
00:54:57,392 --> 00:55:00,623
It was a great year for America.
he KKK and the NRA.
1112
00:55:00,762 --> 00:55:02,627
Of course, they had nothing
to do with each other;
1113
00:55:02,764 --> 00:55:05,392
it was a coincidence. One group
legally promoted responsible
1114
00:55:05,533 --> 00:55:08,400
gun ownership; the other shot
and lynched black people.
1115
00:55:08,536 --> 00:55:10,731
That's the way it was till
1955, when a black woman
1116
00:55:10,872 --> 00:55:13,773
broke the law by refusing to
move to the back of the bus.
1117
00:55:13,908 --> 00:55:15,170
White people just couldn't
believe it.
1118
00:55:15,310 --> 00:55:18,473
- Huh? Why won't she move?
- What's going on?
1119
00:55:18,613 --> 00:55:21,548
- Man, all hell broke loose.
Black people everywhere demanded
1120
00:55:21,683 --> 00:55:25,414
their rights. White people had
a major, freaky-feel meltdown
1121
00:55:25,553 --> 00:55:28,044
and they were all, like:
- Run away! Run away!
1122
00:55:28,189 --> 00:55:30,214
- And they did. They all ran
fleeing to the suburbs,
1123
00:55:30,358 --> 00:55:32,826
where it was all white and safe
and clean. And they went out
1124
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,825
and bought a
quarter-of-a-billion guns.
1125
00:55:34,962 --> 00:55:36,896
And put locks on their doors,
alarms in their houses,
1126
00:55:37,031 --> 00:55:39,226
and gates around the
neighbourhoods.
1127
00:55:39,367 --> 00:55:43,167
And finally, they were all safe
and secure and snug as a bug.
1128
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:52,336
And everyone lived
happily ever after.
1129
00:56:03,591 --> 00:56:05,252
- Because if you turn on
the evening news,
1130
00:56:05,393 --> 00:56:09,124
America still seems
like a pretty scary place.
1131
00:56:09,263 --> 00:56:12,426
- Who is he? Is he dangerous?
What's he up to?
1132
00:56:15,370 --> 00:56:16,962
- What are you trying
to pull, man?
1133
00:56:17,105 --> 00:56:18,504
- Remember all the Y2Kscares?
1134
00:56:18,639 --> 00:56:21,972
Weren't we told that our very
society was about to collapse
1135
00:56:22,110 --> 00:56:23,600
because somebody forgot
1136
00:56:23,745 --> 00:56:25,679
to type in a couple of digits
on the computer?
1137
00:56:25,813 --> 00:56:28,111
- There's gonna be mass
chaos and confusion.
1138
00:56:28,249 --> 00:56:29,614
- Tonight, the countdown begins.
1139
00:56:29,751 --> 00:56:31,616
All day, store director
Rick Smith
1140
00:56:31,753 --> 00:56:35,985
watched consumers get Y2K ready.
- Batteries sell extremely well.
1141
00:56:36,124 --> 00:56:38,888
The lamp oil, generators.
1142
00:56:39,026 --> 00:56:41,119
- After sending the country
into a panic,
1143
00:56:41,262 --> 00:56:43,457
the clock struck midnight...
1144
00:56:43,598 --> 00:56:46,260
And nothing happened.
1145
00:56:46,401 --> 00:56:48,392
Or how about those killer bees
1146
00:56:48,536 --> 00:56:50,561
that were going
to attack America?
1147
00:56:50,705 --> 00:56:53,230
- We're almost certain
they'll arrive this year.
1148
00:56:53,374 --> 00:56:55,968
- Shmidt expects the Africanized
bees to reach Texas this year,
1149
00:56:56,110 --> 00:56:58,340
cross into Arizona in about
two to three years.
1150
00:56:58,479 --> 00:57:01,812
He's concerned because the
killer bee is overly aggressive.
1151
00:57:01,949 --> 00:57:04,417
- They will follow you
for half a mile.
1152
00:57:04,552 --> 00:57:07,077
- The bees never came.
1153
00:57:07,221 --> 00:57:09,689
Remember the first time
you heard
1154
00:57:09,824 --> 00:57:12,588
that someone had hidden a razor
blade in an apple at Halloween?
1155
00:57:12,727 --> 00:57:14,251
Before long,
1156
00:57:14,395 --> 00:57:16,659
kids were not permitted to go
out in the dark on Halloween
1157
00:57:16,798 --> 00:57:19,164
and go trick-or-treating
at strangers' homes.
1158
00:57:19,300 --> 00:57:21,359
- Many people say they won't give
out candy treats on Halloween.
1159
00:57:21,502 --> 00:57:24,164
It's too dangerous
and they're too scared.
1160
00:57:24,305 --> 00:57:25,772
- Well, guess what?
1161
00:57:25,907 --> 00:57:27,670
There never was any
razor blade in the apple.
1162
00:57:27,809 --> 00:57:29,902
In fact, only two kids
1163
00:57:30,044 --> 00:57:33,707
in the past 40 years have been
killed by Halloween candy.
1164
00:57:33,848 --> 00:57:36,078
And both of them were poisoned
on purpose by relatives.
1165
00:57:36,217 --> 00:57:37,775
- Bye.
1166
00:57:37,919 --> 00:57:40,353
It was like a scene from a horror movie.
1167
00:57:40,488 --> 00:57:43,787
This man was mowing his lawn
when a fox darted out
1168
00:57:43,925 --> 00:57:46,291
of the woods and attacked
his riding-mower.
1169
00:57:46,427 --> 00:57:48,691
- A warning about a popular
weight-loss supplement.
1170
00:57:48,830 --> 00:57:50,798
What you don't know
may kill you.
1171
00:57:50,932 --> 00:57:53,059
- You ride them every day,
but in an instant,
1172
00:57:53,201 --> 00:57:56,295
an escalator can mangle you
or a loved one.
1173
00:57:56,437 --> 00:57:59,804
- We reveal why you may be
riding on stairway to danger.
1174
00:57:59,941 --> 00:58:00,873
- You might want to take
some extra precautions:
1175
00:58:01,008 --> 00:58:03,533
keep a low profile,
don't go around dancing
1176
00:58:03,678 --> 00:58:06,238
with a bunch of Americans
in the streets.
1177
00:58:06,380 --> 00:58:09,178
Make sure that you don't draw
a lot of attention to yourself
1178
00:58:09,317 --> 00:58:10,648
and the fact
that you're American.
1179
00:58:10,785 --> 00:58:13,253
- Nation's top doctor says
one in five Americans
1180
00:58:13,387 --> 00:58:15,218
suffers some form
of mental disorder.
1181
00:58:15,356 --> 00:58:17,847
The surgeon general David
Satcher pleads with people
1182
00:58:17,992 --> 00:58:19,721
to seek help now.
1183
00:58:19,861 --> 00:58:23,490
- The media, the corporations,
the politicians,
1184
00:58:23,631 --> 00:58:27,692
have all done such a good job
of scaring the American public,
1185
00:58:27,835 --> 00:58:30,531
it's come to the point
where they don't need to give
1186
00:58:30,671 --> 00:58:32,662
any reason at all.
1187
00:58:32,807 --> 00:58:35,503
- Today, the Justice Department
did issue a...
1188
00:58:35,643 --> 00:58:38,077
a blanket alert.
1189
00:58:40,681 --> 00:58:43,775
It was in recognition of a
general threat we received.
1190
00:58:43,918 --> 00:58:47,046
Uh, this is not the first time
1191
00:58:47,188 --> 00:58:49,452
the Justice Department
have acted like this.
1192
00:58:49,590 --> 00:58:51,990
I hope it's the last.
1193
00:58:52,126 --> 00:58:56,028
But given the attitude of
the evildoers, it may not be.
1194
00:59:02,603 --> 00:59:04,503
- I just love these boulevards
down here, though.
1195
00:59:04,605 --> 00:59:06,197
You don't get this
in most of L.A.
1196
00:59:06,374 --> 00:59:07,671
South Central
Los Angeles
1197
00:59:07,875 --> 00:59:09,740
- How come whenever
I'm out here, though,
1198
00:59:09,810 --> 00:59:12,074
I turn on the 11-o'clock news
and I hear, you know:
1199
00:59:12,213 --> 00:59:14,579
"Tonight in South Central,
drive-by shooting."
1200
00:59:14,715 --> 00:59:16,580
Or: "Tonight in South
Central..."
1201
00:59:16,817 --> 00:59:19,183
Prof. Barry Glassner
Author, "The Culture of Fear"
1202
00:59:19,387 --> 00:59:21,582
...this, that or whatever. I mean,
they're not making that up, are they?
1203
00:59:21,722 --> 00:59:24,486
- No, they're not making it up,
but they're choosing
1204
00:59:24,625 --> 00:59:27,890
what they're covering. If you
turn on the TV, on the news,
1205
00:59:28,029 --> 00:59:30,395
what are you gonna hear about?
1206
00:59:30,531 --> 00:59:34,467
Dangerous black guys, right?
Unnamed black guy who, you know,
1207
00:59:34,602 --> 00:59:37,662
accused of some crime or...
- Right.
1208
00:59:37,805 --> 00:59:40,603
- You're gonna see pictures
of black guys doing bad things,
1209
00:59:40,741 --> 00:59:43,107
and hearing stories about black
guys doing bad things.
1210
00:59:43,244 --> 00:59:45,109
And we've heard this
our whole lives.
1211
00:59:45,246 --> 00:59:47,476
- Now, the suspect is a black
male in his twenties.
1212
00:59:47,615 --> 00:59:49,606
We are told he has
a large afro, sideburns,
1213
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:51,877
he was wearing a
silver chain at the time.
1214
00:59:52,019 --> 00:59:54,112
- Police say the suspect
is a black man.
1215
00:59:54,255 --> 00:59:58,624
Six foot one, 160 to 180 pounds,
about 35 years in age.
1216
00:59:58,759 --> 01:00:01,421
- Suspect is a black male,
age 16 to 18.
1217
01:00:01,562 --> 01:00:03,530
- The suspect is
African-American.
1218
01:00:03,664 --> 01:00:04,961
Police believe--
- Police say--
1219
01:00:05,099 --> 01:00:07,465
- The black man--
- Suspect--
1220
01:00:07,602 --> 01:00:09,729
- The suspect is a black male
- A black man.
1221
01:00:09,870 --> 01:00:12,100
A black... black... black...
1222
01:00:12,239 --> 01:00:13,365
- A black man.
1223
01:00:13,507 --> 01:00:15,998
- Susan Smith drowns
her two children.
1224
01:00:16,143 --> 01:00:18,577
She tells people a black guy...
- Correct.
1225
01:00:18,713 --> 01:00:21,841
- Stole the car
and stole the kids.
1226
01:00:21,983 --> 01:00:24,508
And everyone, at first,
bought it.
1227
01:00:24,652 --> 01:00:27,644
- Some guy jumped into her car,
with her two kids in it.
1228
01:00:27,788 --> 01:00:29,881
Then he took off.
That's a black guy, she says.
1229
01:00:30,024 --> 01:00:32,458
- Black male?
- Yes, Ma'am.
1230
01:00:32,593 --> 01:00:35,357
- And I told them I loved them.
I hollered I loved them
1231
01:00:35,496 --> 01:00:37,623
And it's just a tragedy.
1232
01:00:37,765 --> 01:00:41,633
- The anonymous urban -
which means usually black -
1233
01:00:41,769 --> 01:00:43,600
male, comes by and does this.
1234
01:00:43,738 --> 01:00:45,865
It's the excuse
for all kinds of things.
1235
01:00:46,007 --> 01:00:47,565
- Charles Stewart,
a lawyer in Boston...
1236
01:00:47,708 --> 01:00:49,676
- Right, exactly.
- ...kills his pregnant wife,
1237
01:00:49,810 --> 01:00:52,142
says a black guy did it;
everybody buys it.
1238
01:00:52,279 --> 01:00:55,305
- The suspect described as a
black male about six feet tall.
1239
01:00:55,449 --> 01:00:57,679
Chuck and Carol Stewart
were robbed at gunpoint
1240
01:00:57,818 --> 01:00:59,683
as they left a Lamaze class.
1241
01:00:59,820 --> 01:01:01,811
It seemed the ultimate
urban nightmare.
1242
01:01:01,956 --> 01:01:04,220
- You know, the thing I love
about this country of mine,
1243
01:01:04,358 --> 01:01:06,849
is that whether you're
a psychotic killer
1244
01:01:06,994 --> 01:01:09,485
or running for president
of the United States,
1245
01:01:09,630 --> 01:01:12,064
the one thing you can
always count on
1246
01:01:12,199 --> 01:01:15,327
is white America's fear
of the black man.
1247
01:01:15,469 --> 01:01:18,336
- We've heard the stories
on the news and in the papers
1248
01:01:18,472 --> 01:01:20,337
and they have killed people.
1249
01:01:20,474 --> 01:01:22,169
Killer bees, also known
1250
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:23,776
as "Africanized" bees.
1251
01:01:23,911 --> 01:01:26,175
- I'm scared. I'm really worried.
1252
01:01:26,313 --> 01:01:29,510
- Rose Shipley never expected a
nest of Africanized killer bees
1253
01:01:29,650 --> 01:01:31,845
to shack up across the street
from her.
1254
01:01:31,986 --> 01:01:35,012
- But I'm terribly allergic
to them and so are my grandkids.
1255
01:01:35,156 --> 01:01:36,714
- They're originally from
southern and eastern Africa.
1256
01:01:36,857 --> 01:01:40,554
Dr. Warrick Care brought some
to Brazil in 1956
1257
01:01:40,695 --> 01:01:42,686
and tried to mate them
1258
01:01:42,830 --> 01:01:45,594
with the European bee,
the kind that we're used to.
1259
01:01:45,733 --> 01:01:49,134
But they got loose and moved
to the southern United States.
1260
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:50,737
- The main difference between
a traditional honey bee
1261
01:01:50,871 --> 01:01:53,931
and an Africanized bee is
the bee's aggressiveness.
1262
01:01:54,075 --> 01:01:57,238
If I was to do this
to an Africanized bee's hive,
1263
01:01:57,378 --> 01:02:00,541
I could have several hundred
stings in a matter of minutes.
1264
01:02:00,681 --> 01:02:02,979
- Danny Self raises the kinder,
gentler European bees,
1265
01:02:03,117 --> 01:02:04,607
and he's done the research.
1266
01:02:04,752 --> 01:02:06,447
- The only way that you can tell
1267
01:02:06,587 --> 01:02:09,317
the two of them, is doing
measurements on the body parts.
1268
01:02:09,457 --> 01:02:12,187
- Quite frankly,
the black community has become
1269
01:02:12,326 --> 01:02:14,658
entertainment for the rest
of the community.
1270
01:02:14,729 --> 01:02:16,162
- Meaning what?
1271
01:02:16,363 --> 01:02:17,625
Arthur Busch
County Prosecutor - Flint, Michigan
1272
01:02:17,698 --> 01:02:19,563
- The entertainment being
that the crime of the day -
1273
01:02:19,700 --> 01:02:21,565
you know, "If it bleeds,
it leads" -
1274
01:02:21,702 --> 01:02:25,570
gets to be the front story and
then that becomes the perception
1275
01:02:25,706 --> 01:02:29,073
and the image of
an entire people.
1276
01:02:29,210 --> 01:02:32,077
Which couldn't be further
from the truth, in my opinion.
1277
01:02:32,213 --> 01:02:35,080
In fact, you'll find, I think,
1278
01:02:35,216 --> 01:02:38,310
most African-Americans are quite
adverse to gun possession.
1279
01:02:40,387 --> 01:02:42,150
In suburbia, I think,
1280
01:02:42,323 --> 01:02:44,154
there's some notion that there's
going to be an invading horde,
1281
01:02:44,291 --> 01:02:48,318
come from either the city
or from someplace unknown,
1282
01:02:48,462 --> 01:02:51,761
to savage their suburban
community.
1283
01:02:51,899 --> 01:02:57,667
To me, not only is it bizarre,
but it's totally, uh...
1284
01:02:57,805 --> 01:03:00,273
unfounded.
1285
01:03:00,407 --> 01:03:02,034
And these pistols,
curiously enough,
1286
01:03:02,176 --> 01:03:05,612
weren't being taken off kids
in the city of Flint,
1287
01:03:05,746 --> 01:03:08,613
but were being taken off of kids
out in the out-county area,
1288
01:03:08,749 --> 01:03:12,549
in the suburban communities.
And--
1289
01:03:12,686 --> 01:03:14,551
- I didn't think that's
what you were gonna say.
1290
01:03:14,688 --> 01:03:17,555
I thought you were gonna say
that it's all these black kids
1291
01:03:17,691 --> 01:03:19,556
in the inner-city schools
that had these guns.
1292
01:03:19,693 --> 01:03:22,059
- No, that's...
1293
01:03:22,196 --> 01:03:27,065
We've never really had many
problems with guns in the city.
1294
01:03:27,201 --> 01:03:29,567
Not to say that we haven't;
we've had some.
1295
01:03:29,703 --> 01:03:31,568
But that's never been
the biggest problem.
1296
01:03:31,705 --> 01:03:34,071
The biggest problem has been
the gun possession
1297
01:03:34,208 --> 01:03:37,700
by these adolescents
in suburbia.
1298
01:03:37,845 --> 01:03:40,211
- How'd you get a gun?
1299
01:03:40,347 --> 01:03:43,077
- I stole mine. I stole it
from a friend of mine.
1300
01:03:43,217 --> 01:03:44,912
His dad owns a bunch of guns.
1301
01:03:45,052 --> 01:03:46,917
- What we're you doing
with the stolen guns?
1302
01:03:47,054 --> 01:03:48,919
- We went down to Detroit
and started selling them.
1303
01:03:49,056 --> 01:03:53,049
'Cause I can get, like, a buck
fifty a pop for a 9-millimetre.
1304
01:03:53,194 --> 01:03:56,061
- Oh, really. Who were you trying
to sell them to?
1305
01:03:56,197 --> 01:03:59,223
- Anybody that would really want
'em. Gangs and stuff like that.
1306
01:03:59,366 --> 01:04:02,529
- Gangs in the city of Detroit?
- Yeah.
1307
01:04:02,670 --> 01:04:04,433
- Black?
- Uh, predominantly. Yeah.
1308
01:04:04,572 --> 01:04:06,437
- Yeah. So now you're out now,
you're okay.
1309
01:04:06,574 --> 01:04:08,439
- Yeah, I'm free now.
I'm completely clear.
1310
01:04:08,576 --> 01:04:10,942
- You can keep selling guns.
- I can't keep selling guns.
1311
01:04:11,078 --> 01:04:12,875
It's getting too risky.
Everybody knows me up here.
1312
01:04:13,013 --> 01:04:15,880
People want guns, drugs or
alcohol, they come to my house
1313
01:04:16,016 --> 01:04:17,540
and that's just too much.
1314
01:04:17,685 --> 01:04:19,516
- Yeah, too much hassle.
- Yeah.
1315
01:04:19,653 --> 01:04:25,717
- My favourite statistic in all
the research I did discovered
1316
01:04:25,860 --> 01:04:29,956
that the murder rate had gone
down by 20%. The coverage -
1317
01:04:30,097 --> 01:04:33,555
that is, how many murders are
on the evening news -
1318
01:04:33,701 --> 01:04:35,896
it went up by 600%.
1319
01:04:36,036 --> 01:04:40,564
- The American people are
conditioned by network TV,
1320
01:04:40,708 --> 01:04:42,573
by local news,
1321
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:44,575
to believe that
their communities are
1322
01:04:44,712 --> 01:04:47,579
much more dangerous
than they actually are.
1323
01:04:47,715 --> 01:04:49,580
For example, here,
in this community,
1324
01:04:49,717 --> 01:04:53,585
crime has decreased every year
for the past eight years.
1325
01:04:53,721 --> 01:04:55,882
Yet, gun ownership,
particularly handgun ownership,
1326
01:04:56,023 --> 01:04:57,888
is on the increase.
1327
01:04:58,025 --> 01:05:00,585
- Crime rates have been
dropping, dropping, dropping.
1328
01:05:00,728 --> 01:05:04,095
Fear of crime has been going
up, up, up.
1329
01:05:04,231 --> 01:05:06,597
How can that be possible?
It doesn't make any sense.
1330
01:05:06,734 --> 01:05:10,101
But it makes perfect sense
when you see what we're hearing
1331
01:05:10,237 --> 01:05:13,138
from politicians and seeing
in the news media.
1332
01:05:13,274 --> 01:05:15,299
- So we're, uh, we're right here
1333
01:05:15,442 --> 01:05:17,933
on the corner of Florence
and Normandie.
1334
01:05:18,078 --> 01:05:19,943
It's kind of Ground Zero
for the L.A. riots.
1335
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:21,240
- Right.
1336
01:05:21,382 --> 01:05:24,408
- You know, if a couple
of white guys
1337
01:05:24,551 --> 01:05:26,644
would go down and walk around
South Central,
1338
01:05:26,787 --> 01:05:27,685
they're gonna get killed.
1339
01:05:27,821 --> 01:05:30,016
Which I can tell you
is a common perception.
1340
01:05:30,157 --> 01:05:32,557
The odds that something's
going to happen to us
1341
01:05:32,693 --> 01:05:34,558
are really, really slight.
1342
01:05:34,695 --> 01:05:36,560
Minuscule.
- Right. Okay.
1343
01:05:36,697 --> 01:05:38,562
- But you know,
if you look up there,
1344
01:05:38,699 --> 01:05:41,566
you get a different symbol
of the Hollywood sign.
1345
01:05:41,702 --> 01:05:43,567
It means something
very different
1346
01:05:43,704 --> 01:05:45,569
than the corner
of Florence and Normandie.
1347
01:05:45,706 --> 01:05:47,571
For most Americans
and most of the world,
1348
01:05:47,708 --> 01:05:50,575
it means glamour and Hollywood,
except that we can't see it.
1349
01:05:50,711 --> 01:05:52,576
- I can't see the Hollywood sign.
Where is it?
1350
01:05:52,713 --> 01:05:55,079
- Right. You can't see it because
of something that's probably...
1351
01:05:55,215 --> 01:05:57,080
much more dangerous for us
right now,
1352
01:05:57,217 --> 01:05:59,082
which is the stuff
we're breathing.
1353
01:05:59,219 --> 01:06:01,084
- The pollution that's blocking
the Hollywood sign,
1354
01:06:01,221 --> 01:06:02,779
we're breathing this.
1355
01:06:02,923 --> 01:06:05,585
That's far more dangerous than
all the other stuff the media's
1356
01:06:05,726 --> 01:06:07,557
telling us to be afraid of.
- Right.
1357
01:06:07,695 --> 01:06:10,425
- As we left the corner
of Florence and Normandie,
1358
01:06:10,564 --> 01:06:12,361
I noticed that a number
of helicopters
1359
01:06:12,499 --> 01:06:14,694
had appeared in the sky.
1360
01:06:14,835 --> 01:06:16,632
Within seconds, the news media
1361
01:06:16,770 --> 01:06:18,635
started to arrive.
- So what's the story here?
1362
01:06:18,772 --> 01:06:21,138
- I'm waiting.
I thought you would know.
1363
01:06:21,275 --> 01:06:23,140
- No, I don't know anything.
1364
01:06:23,277 --> 01:06:26,041
- The Sergeant just told me
there's a guy with a gun.
1365
01:06:26,180 --> 01:06:28,045
But they're not sure.
That's all they told me.
1366
01:06:28,182 --> 01:06:30,309
Since there's no action,
I'm not getting my camera down.
1367
01:06:30,451 --> 01:06:32,817
- I just happened to see the
chopper, going to another story.
1368
01:06:32,953 --> 01:06:35,319
- What story are you going to?
- It's a near-drowning.
1369
01:06:35,456 --> 01:06:36,980
- It's a drowning?
- A near-drowning.
1370
01:06:37,124 --> 01:06:38,989
- How about a story
about how you can't see
1371
01:06:39,126 --> 01:06:41,060
the Hollywood Hills
because of the pollution?
1372
01:06:41,195 --> 01:06:44,062
Could you maybe do a story
on that tonight?
1373
01:06:44,198 --> 01:06:47,167
- Pollution, that's rather good.
I find that good.
1374
01:06:47,301 --> 01:06:49,667
You can't see it. You can't see
anything around here.
1375
01:06:49,803 --> 01:06:52,670
- If you have to choose
between a guy with a gun
1376
01:06:52,806 --> 01:06:55,570
and a near-drowning of a baby -
you could only be one place--
1377
01:06:55,709 --> 01:06:57,472
- I go with the gun.
- You go with the gun, always.
1378
01:06:59,747 --> 01:07:01,578
Is it all over, here?
It's all over? All over?
1379
01:07:01,715 --> 01:07:03,580
- Not yet, not yet.
- Looks like it.
1380
01:07:03,717 --> 01:07:06,083
- Just wait for these sergeants
down here to come down,
1381
01:07:06,220 --> 01:07:08,085
'cause they got all the details.
1382
01:07:08,222 --> 01:07:10,087
- Okay. Hey, I was
just wondering -
1383
01:07:10,224 --> 01:07:13,523
I just got here to L.A. today -
I can't see the Hollywood sign,
1384
01:07:13,660 --> 01:07:15,525
down on the hills there,
down Normandie.
1385
01:07:15,662 --> 01:07:17,527
You can't see the sign
'cause of the pollution.
1386
01:07:17,664 --> 01:07:19,529
- Right.
- Is there anybody you can arrest
1387
01:07:19,666 --> 01:07:22,032
for polluting up the air?
- Absolutely not.
1388
01:07:22,169 --> 01:07:24,034
- Nobody?
- No.
1389
01:07:24,171 --> 01:07:25,570
- Why is that?
1390
01:07:27,508 --> 01:07:29,408
Why is that, Sergeant?
1391
01:07:35,883 --> 01:07:37,407
- He's fighting!
1392
01:07:37,551 --> 01:07:39,416
- For over a decade,
1393
01:07:39,553 --> 01:07:42,647
there has been one show
on American television
1394
01:07:42,790 --> 01:07:45,224
that has consistently brought
black and white people together
1395
01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:47,554
in an effort to reduce
our fears
1396
01:07:47,694 --> 01:07:50,561
and celebrate our diversity.
1397
01:07:50,697 --> 01:07:52,722
That show is Cops.
1398
01:07:56,103 --> 01:07:58,333
I went to see a former
producer of "Cops"
1399
01:07:58,472 --> 01:07:59,803
and executive producer
1400
01:07:59,940 --> 01:08:01,771
of World's Wildest
Police Videos:
1401
01:08:01,909 --> 01:08:03,570
Mr. Dick Herland.
1402
01:08:03,710 --> 01:08:05,575
- Look "liberal" up
in the dictionary
1403
01:08:05,712 --> 01:08:07,577
and I think my picture's
in there somewhere,
1404
01:08:07,714 --> 01:08:12,515
- So then, you know, why not be
compelled to do, you know,
1405
01:08:12,653 --> 01:08:17,522
a show that focuses on, you
know, what's causing the crime,
1406
01:08:17,658 --> 01:08:20,024
as opposed to just chasing
the criminals down?
1407
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,526
- Because I think it's harder
to do that show.
1408
01:08:22,663 --> 01:08:24,597
I don't know what
that show would be.
1409
01:08:24,731 --> 01:08:26,528
Anger does well, hate does
well, violence does well.
1410
01:08:26,667 --> 01:08:29,033
Tolerance and understanding
and trying to learn to be
1411
01:08:29,169 --> 01:08:32,104
a little different than you were
last year does less well.
1412
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:34,104
- Does less well in the ratings.
- Oh yeah.
1413
01:08:34,241 --> 01:08:37,039
- Maybe because we,
in the television business,
1414
01:08:37,177 --> 01:08:41,045
because we tend to demonize
black and Hispanic people,
1415
01:08:41,181 --> 01:08:43,046
then those watching it at home
are going:
1416
01:08:43,183 --> 01:08:45,048
"I don't want to help
those people.
1417
01:08:45,185 --> 01:08:47,050
I'm not going to do anything
to help them.
1418
01:08:47,187 --> 01:08:49,553
Because I hate them now,
because they may hurt me."
1419
01:08:49,690 --> 01:08:52,557
You know what I'm saying?
- I know what you're saying,
1420
01:08:52,693 --> 01:08:55,059
I'm not sure that's
what we're doing.
1421
01:08:55,195 --> 01:08:57,561
I'm not sure we're demonizing
1422
01:08:57,698 --> 01:09:02,067
black and Hispanic people, uh...
particularly.
1423
01:09:02,202 --> 01:09:04,568
I don't think we show
black and Hispanic people
1424
01:09:04,705 --> 01:09:08,072
as being criminals.
1425
01:09:08,208 --> 01:09:10,472
I'd like to say not more often,
1426
01:09:10,611 --> 01:09:12,579
but probably
they are more often.
1427
01:09:12,713 --> 01:09:16,149
But I certainly don't think...
We're certainly not trying
1428
01:09:16,283 --> 01:09:18,148
to demonize black
and Hispanic people.
1429
01:09:18,285 --> 01:09:21,083
- We show them on the news,
we show them on TV,
1430
01:09:21,221 --> 01:09:23,587
as pretty scary people.
1431
01:09:23,724 --> 01:09:26,454
- Yeah.
1432
01:09:26,593 --> 01:09:28,584
And I agree. I'd like
to see that reversed
1433
01:09:28,729 --> 01:09:32,597
as much as possible. I...
1434
01:09:32,733 --> 01:09:34,598
- Start tonight.
- Well, the thing is,
1435
01:09:34,735 --> 01:09:36,600
I don't know how
to start tonight.
1436
01:09:36,737 --> 01:09:38,602
I don't know how to tell
that story.
1437
01:09:38,739 --> 01:09:40,604
If I was smart enough
to do that...
1438
01:09:40,741 --> 01:09:43,107
- I'll pitch you one.
- Okay. All right.
1439
01:09:43,243 --> 01:09:45,609
- Um... um...
1440
01:09:45,746 --> 01:09:48,078
Do a show called not Cops
but Corporate Cops.
1441
01:09:50,918 --> 01:09:51,942
"Corporation man
Hey Corporate man
1442
01:09:52,085 --> 01:09:54,576
"We're coming out to get you
better run while you can
1443
01:09:54,955 --> 01:09:58,015
"We're coming out to get you
better run while you can"
1444
01:09:58,158 --> 01:10:00,126
- Uh... I love the idea.
1445
01:10:00,260 --> 01:10:03,627
I don't think it would make
very interesting reality TV.
1446
01:10:03,764 --> 01:10:07,131
Unless we can get those people
to get in their SUVs
1447
01:10:07,267 --> 01:10:10,634
and drive really fast down
the road away from the police.
1448
01:10:10,771 --> 01:10:12,864
- But I'm telling you,
everyone in America
1449
01:10:13,006 --> 01:10:14,871
who's got just your basic,
everyday job
1450
01:10:15,008 --> 01:10:17,476
is gonna love watching the boss
1451
01:10:17,611 --> 01:10:19,579
being chased down the street
with his shirt off,
1452
01:10:19,713 --> 01:10:21,112
thrown to the ground
1453
01:10:21,248 --> 01:10:24,115
and a knee to the neck. I tell
you, that is gonna get ratings.
1454
01:10:24,251 --> 01:10:27,118
- Yeah, I'm with you. And if
I can find a police outfit
1455
01:10:27,254 --> 01:10:31,088
that would prosecute corporate
criminals appropriately
1456
01:10:31,225 --> 01:10:33,090
and would go after them
appropriately... In other words,
1457
01:10:33,227 --> 01:10:36,094
what you do to a man who's
just stolen a lady's purse
1458
01:10:36,230 --> 01:10:38,095
with $85 to it,
1459
01:10:38,232 --> 01:10:41,599
than you need to do
an appropriate response
1460
01:10:41,735 --> 01:10:45,603
to a man who has just stolen $85
million from indigent people,
1461
01:10:45,739 --> 01:10:47,604
then, boy, we're gonna be
out there filming that.
1462
01:10:47,741 --> 01:10:50,608
But as a matter of fact,
when police go after the guy
1463
01:10:50,744 --> 01:10:52,609
who's just stolen $85 million,
1464
01:10:52,746 --> 01:10:55,613
they treat him like he was
a member of the city council -
1465
01:10:55,749 --> 01:10:59,116
as he may or may not be - and
it's not exciting television.
1466
01:10:59,253 --> 01:11:01,619
If you could get that guy
to take his shirt off...
1467
01:11:01,755 --> 01:11:03,620
- Right.
1468
01:11:03,757 --> 01:11:05,622
- Yeah, and throw his cellular
phone at the police
1469
01:11:05,759 --> 01:11:07,624
as they come through the door,
1470
01:11:07,761 --> 01:11:10,753
try to jump out that window,
then we'd have a show.
1471
01:11:10,897 --> 01:11:13,559
- You watch violence on TV
in a place like Canada
1472
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:15,565
and you know it's not happening
next door.
1473
01:11:15,702 --> 01:11:19,570
You watch it here, and you know
it is happening next door.
1474
01:11:19,706 --> 01:11:21,571
- Right.
- I think that's...
1475
01:11:21,708 --> 01:11:23,573
I don't know what
the difference is,
1476
01:11:23,710 --> 01:11:25,575
but there's a big difference.
- Yeah, but why isn't...
1477
01:11:25,712 --> 01:11:27,577
Why isn't it happening
in Canada?
1478
01:11:27,714 --> 01:11:30,581
Why aren't there, you know,
10,000 murders a year?
1479
01:11:30,717 --> 01:11:33,584
- I don't know, but I want
to go to Canada to retire,
1480
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,587
or something, 'cause it sounds
like where we want to be.
1481
01:11:36,723 --> 01:11:39,590
I'd like to find out what that
difference is. Wouldn't you?
1482
01:11:39,726 --> 01:11:41,626
- Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying
to find out.
1483
01:11:47,834 --> 01:11:50,598
Where are you supposed
to be right now?
1484
01:11:50,737 --> 01:11:52,602
- School.
- School.
1485
01:11:52,739 --> 01:11:54,206
- School.
1486
01:11:54,341 --> 01:11:56,206
- Aren't you worried about
what you're not learning?
1487
01:11:56,343 --> 01:11:58,208
- Nah, I'm mostly helping
everybody else in the class.
1488
01:11:58,345 --> 01:12:01,542
Then I barely get to do my work.
- How about you? You're not
1489
01:12:01,682 --> 01:12:04,708
worried about your education?
- Well, I've got the textbook.
1490
01:12:04,851 --> 01:12:07,376
- Why do you think
we have so many, uh...
1491
01:12:07,521 --> 01:12:09,716
gun murders in America?
- Uh...
1492
01:12:09,856 --> 01:12:13,053
I have no idea. People must hate
each other or something.
1493
01:12:13,193 --> 01:12:15,058
- Oh, you mean Canadians don't
hate each other?
1494
01:12:15,195 --> 01:12:18,062
- Well, we do but we don't go to
the point of shooting somebody
1495
01:12:18,198 --> 01:12:21,065
just to get revenge.
- What do you do?
1496
01:12:21,201 --> 01:12:23,567
- I don't know.
Tease them, maybe.
1497
01:12:23,704 --> 01:12:27,037
Make fun of them, ridicule them.
- Throw eggs at them.
1498
01:12:27,174 --> 01:12:30,075
- How many gun murders
in Sarnia this year?
1499
01:12:30,210 --> 01:12:32,075
- None.
- Last year?
1500
01:12:32,212 --> 01:12:34,077
- I believe we had one,
at the time.
1501
01:12:34,214 --> 01:12:36,079
- The year before that?
1502
01:12:36,216 --> 01:12:38,582
- I can't recall what we had
in the way of--
1503
01:12:38,719 --> 01:12:40,584
- Maybe one in the last
three years?
1504
01:12:40,721 --> 01:12:42,586
- Probably, yes.
- Mm-hm.
1505
01:12:42,723 --> 01:12:45,886
- Very low. Very low
for this city.
1506
01:12:46,026 --> 01:12:47,891
- Well, of course,
there's no murders here
1507
01:12:48,028 --> 01:12:49,893
because there's only
70,000 people
1508
01:12:50,030 --> 01:12:52,726
and it's the kissing
capital of the world.
1509
01:12:52,866 --> 01:12:55,198
So I went down the river
to another Canadian city
1510
01:12:55,335 --> 01:12:57,200
that was five times
as large as Sarnia:
1511
01:12:57,337 --> 01:13:00,704
Windsor, Ontario, just across
the river from Detroit.
1512
01:13:00,841 --> 01:13:04,641
I was sure there'd be
more murders in Windsor.
1513
01:13:04,778 --> 01:13:07,645
Ever hear of anyone being shot
by a gun in Windsor?
1514
01:13:07,781 --> 01:13:09,806
- No. No.
1515
01:13:09,950 --> 01:13:11,747
- You remember any murders here?
1516
01:13:11,885 --> 01:13:15,048
- Uh, there was one
a long time ago. Probably--
1517
01:13:15,188 --> 01:13:18,555
- How long ago?
- Oh...
1518
01:13:18,692 --> 01:13:20,557
- In your lifetime?
- In my lifetime,
1519
01:13:20,694 --> 01:13:24,152
probably around 15, 20 years
ago, there was one murder.
1520
01:13:24,297 --> 01:13:26,265
- In fact, this Windsor
policeman told me
1521
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:27,765
that the only gun murder
1522
01:13:27,901 --> 01:13:30,062
he could recall in Windsor
in the last three years
1523
01:13:30,203 --> 01:13:32,569
was committed by a guy
from Detroit,
1524
01:13:32,706 --> 01:13:35,174
who had a stolen gun
from Minnesota.
1525
01:13:35,308 --> 01:13:39,108
With nearly 400,000 people
in the Windsor area,
1526
01:13:39,246 --> 01:13:43,512
there were simply no Canadians
shooting other Canadians.
1527
01:13:43,650 --> 01:13:45,140
I thought it might be time
1528
01:13:45,285 --> 01:13:49,153
for some fun facts
about Canada.
1529
01:13:49,289 --> 01:13:51,519
I hit the streets of New York
to find out what
1530
01:13:51,658 --> 01:13:54,024
the average American thought
about our friendly neighbour
1531
01:13:54,161 --> 01:13:55,594
to the north.
1532
01:13:55,729 --> 01:14:01,031
- Canadians don't watch as much
violent movies as Americans do.
1533
01:14:05,472 --> 01:14:07,099
- That's wrong.
1534
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,333
Hordes of young boys,
all throughout Canada,
1535
01:14:09,476 --> 01:14:12,001
eagerly await the next
Hollywood bloodbath.
1536
01:14:12,145 --> 01:14:14,545
- Then one of the guy gets
his leg taken off.
1537
01:14:14,681 --> 01:14:17,548
- Oh, wow!
- And there was a lot of girls,
1538
01:14:17,684 --> 01:14:21,142
and naked at one point.
- I like that stuff.
1539
01:14:21,288 --> 01:14:24,314
- What movie did you see tonight?
- Sixth Day.
1540
01:14:24,458 --> 01:14:27,359
- With Arnold Schwarzenegger?
- Yeah.
1541
01:14:27,494 --> 01:14:29,359
- Did it make you want
to come out here
1542
01:14:29,496 --> 01:14:31,361
and play this shoot-'em-up game?
1543
01:14:31,498 --> 01:14:33,693
- Well... yeah.
1544
01:14:33,834 --> 01:14:36,564
- There's no poverty in Canada
like there is here...
1545
01:14:36,703 --> 01:14:38,671
in the States.
1546
01:14:38,805 --> 01:14:40,170
- Wrong again.
1547
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:42,208
Mayor Mike Bradley
Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
1548
01:14:42,309 --> 01:14:44,004
- Actually, we've also had
a much higher unemployment rate.
1549
01:14:44,077 --> 01:14:46,705
When Michigan rate was running at 4%,
we were still at 8-9%,
1550
01:14:46,813 --> 01:14:48,804
We seem to have an institutional
unemployment rate.
1551
01:14:48,949 --> 01:14:51,179
- I think there'd mostly be
white people in Canada.
1552
01:14:51,318 --> 01:14:54,185
- Hmm... that's strange,
'cause when I'm in Canada,
1553
01:14:54,321 --> 01:14:56,846
I see black people everywhere.
1554
01:14:56,990 --> 01:14:58,855
And yellow people,
and brown people...
1555
01:14:58,992 --> 01:15:00,584
and 13% of the country is
non-white.
1556
01:15:00,727 --> 01:15:02,854
So the Canadians are
1557
01:15:02,996 --> 01:15:06,193
pretty much just like us.
And the reason that they have
(Toronto, Canada)
1558
01:15:06,333 --> 01:15:09,598
so few murders has to be
because they've got
1559
01:15:09,736 --> 01:15:12,034
so few guns.
1560
01:15:16,176 --> 01:15:18,940
What kind of guns do you own?
- Uh, I hunt.
1561
01:15:19,079 --> 01:15:21,547
I own rifles and shotguns,
and I own pistols.
1562
01:15:21,681 --> 01:15:25,048
- Mm-hm. So how many guns total?
- Uh... Probably about seven.
1563
01:15:25,185 --> 01:15:26,618
- Seven guns?
- Yeah.
1564
01:15:26,753 --> 01:15:28,550
- Do you have a gun?
- I have a few.
1565
01:15:28,688 --> 01:15:31,555
- How many guns do you have?
- Half a dozen.
1566
01:15:31,691 --> 01:15:35,058
- You could name how many people
that own guns, that you know?
1567
01:15:35,195 --> 01:15:37,891
Two, three, a dozen?
- More than that.
1568
01:15:38,031 --> 01:15:40,591
- There's a tremendous
amount of gun ownership.
1569
01:15:40,734 --> 01:15:42,565
We're a large country
geographically.
1570
01:15:42,702 --> 01:15:45,034
We grew up with hunting and
fishing being a tradition.
1571
01:15:45,171 --> 01:15:47,571
- In Canada, with a population
of just around 30 million -
1572
01:15:47,707 --> 01:15:49,572
there's about
10 million families -
1573
01:15:49,709 --> 01:15:51,574
and the best estimate is
somewhere in the region
1574
01:15:51,711 --> 01:15:53,474
of seven-million guns.
1575
01:15:53,613 --> 01:15:54,910
- Wow!
1576
01:15:55,048 --> 01:15:57,278
Canada was one gun-loving,
1577
01:15:57,417 --> 01:16:00,250
gun-toting, gun-crazy country!
1578
01:16:01,888 --> 01:16:04,789
Where can you get a gun?
- Uptown, any time I want.
1579
01:16:04,925 --> 01:16:06,153
- I see you're a Glock owner.
1580
01:16:06,293 --> 01:16:09,091
Where can I get a Glock
in Canada?
1581
01:16:09,229 --> 01:16:11,595
- Most gun stores'll sell 'em
to you
1582
01:16:11,731 --> 01:16:13,528
if you have the proper
permits and stuff.
1583
01:16:13,667 --> 01:16:15,658
- In fact, despite all
their tough gun laws,
1584
01:16:15,802 --> 01:16:17,565
take a look at what I,
1585
01:16:17,704 --> 01:16:20,298
a foreign citizen,
was able to do
1586
01:16:20,440 --> 01:16:22,237
at the local Canadian Wal-Mart.
1587
01:16:22,375 --> 01:16:25,037
Where's the ammunition at?
- Where's the ammunition?
1588
01:16:25,178 --> 01:16:26,577
- Yeah.
- Back here.
1589
01:16:30,216 --> 01:16:33,083
What kind are you looking for?
- You know, like, bullets.
1590
01:16:35,188 --> 01:16:36,849
That's right.
1591
01:16:36,990 --> 01:16:39,857
I could buy as much live
ammunition as I wanted to
1592
01:16:39,993 --> 01:16:41,722
in Canada.
You take American?
1593
01:16:41,861 --> 01:16:43,590
Do you lock your doors?
1594
01:16:43,730 --> 01:16:46,221
- No.
- Are you afraid of anything?
1595
01:16:46,333 --> 01:16:48,267
Sarnia, Canada
1596
01:16:48,368 --> 01:16:51,804
- Nah, not really, no.
- Do you lock your doors
at night?
1597
01:16:51,938 --> 01:16:53,803
- No.
- You don't lock your doors?
1598
01:16:53,940 --> 01:16:55,567
- No.
- Well, what do you...
1599
01:16:55,709 --> 01:16:57,973
Are you afraid of anything?
- Not really.
1600
01:16:58,111 --> 01:17:01,569
- Have you ever been broken into?
- Yes, I have. Yeah.
1601
01:17:01,715 --> 01:17:04,081
- What happened?
- They broke into my home.
1602
01:17:04,217 --> 01:17:06,082
I wasn't there. They broke in,
1603
01:17:06,219 --> 01:17:08,779
they stole some booze
and cigarettes and they left.
1604
01:17:08,922 --> 01:17:11,186
So I figure it must've been
some teenagers
1605
01:17:11,324 --> 01:17:15,090
out to have a little bit of fun.
That's all they took, though.
1606
01:17:15,228 --> 01:17:16,957
Just some booze
and some cigarettes.
1607
01:17:17,097 --> 01:17:18,962
- Have you ever been
a victim of crime?
1608
01:17:19,099 --> 01:17:21,033
- Yes.
- What kind of crime?
1609
01:17:21,167 --> 01:17:23,533
- Uh, I've had people walk in
while I've been sleeping
1610
01:17:23,670 --> 01:17:26,537
and vandalize my home
and steal from me.
1611
01:17:26,673 --> 01:17:29,540
- And that didn't want to make
you lock your doors at night?
1612
01:17:29,676 --> 01:17:32,167
- No. No.
1613
01:17:32,312 --> 01:17:34,974
- As an American with
three locks on his doors,
1614
01:17:35,115 --> 01:17:37,174
I found this all
a bit confusing.
1615
01:17:37,317 --> 01:17:39,751
Even here, in Toronto,
a city of millions,
1616
01:17:39,886 --> 01:17:41,353
people just didn't lock
their doors.
1617
01:17:43,790 --> 01:17:45,553
So you don't lock your doors but
we, Americans, do. Why is that?
1618
01:17:45,692 --> 01:17:48,320
- You must be afraid
of your neighbour.
1619
01:17:48,461 --> 01:17:50,554
- Do you ever leave your doors
unlocked at home?
1620
01:17:50,697 --> 01:17:53,063
- Yeah.
- Yeah, you do?
1621
01:17:53,199 --> 01:17:55,064
Where do you live?
- Right around here.
1622
01:17:55,201 --> 01:17:56,566
- Toronto?
- Around here.
1623
01:17:56,703 --> 01:17:58,364
- You leave your doors unlocked?
- Yeah.
1624
01:17:58,505 --> 01:18:00,370
- You'd think, as Americans,
1625
01:18:00,507 --> 01:18:04,068
that the lock is keeping people
out of your place.
1626
01:18:04,210 --> 01:18:07,577
We, as Canadians,
see it more as, uh...
1627
01:18:07,714 --> 01:18:11,081
when we lock the door, we're
imprisoning ourselves inside.
1628
01:18:11,217 --> 01:18:13,014
- You don't want to do that.
1629
01:18:13,153 --> 01:18:15,018
- Not really, no.
1630
01:18:15,155 --> 01:18:18,886
We don't want to... No.
1631
01:18:19,025 --> 01:18:22,517
- I decided to go unannounced
to a neighbourhood in Toronto
1632
01:18:22,662 --> 01:18:26,029
to see if this unlocked-door
thing was true.
1633
01:18:26,166 --> 01:18:28,396
Oh, hi. I'm sorry.
Just checking.
1634
01:18:33,173 --> 01:18:35,232
Oh, hello!
1635
01:18:42,182 --> 01:18:43,547
- Oh, hi.
- Hi.
1636
01:18:43,683 --> 01:18:45,548
- Nobody locks their doors.
1637
01:18:45,685 --> 01:18:47,550
Nobody locks their doors
in this town.
1638
01:18:47,687 --> 01:18:50,485
- You want to lock?
- No, no, no.
1639
01:18:50,623 --> 01:18:52,557
Do you like living here?
- I like it very much.
1640
01:18:52,692 --> 01:18:54,990
- Yeah? And the T-shirt?
- The T-shirt too.
1641
01:18:55,128 --> 01:18:57,187
- This door was wide open.
And you're not afraid?
1642
01:18:57,330 --> 01:18:59,628
- Should I be afraid?
- I don't know. You live here.
1643
01:18:59,766 --> 01:19:01,825
- I don't think I'm afraid.
- You're not, are you?
1644
01:19:01,968 --> 01:19:03,833
Thank you very much.
- All right. No problem.
1645
01:19:03,970 --> 01:19:05,835
- I'm sorry about the intrusion.
- No, no problem.
1646
01:19:05,972 --> 01:19:08,338
- Thank you for not shooting me.
- No problem at all.
1647
01:19:08,475 --> 01:19:09,840
- Bye-bye.
- Okay.
1648
01:19:09,976 --> 01:19:11,034
- As an American,
1649
01:19:11,177 --> 01:19:13,475
I gotta say this all
seemed kind of strange.
1650
01:19:13,613 --> 01:19:15,376
Until I looked up at the TV
1651
01:19:15,515 --> 01:19:17,506
in the bar and noticed
what they watched
1652
01:19:17,650 --> 01:19:18,582
for their evening news.
1653
01:19:18,718 --> 01:19:21,312
- They're friends of ours.
1654
01:19:21,454 --> 01:19:24,582
We'll certainly listen to them
courteously and carefully,
1655
01:19:24,724 --> 01:19:28,387
but you don't just make war
just 'cause someone says so.
1656
01:19:28,528 --> 01:19:32,430
- The Canadians weren't being
pumped full of fear.
1657
01:19:32,565 --> 01:19:34,692
And their politicians seemed
to talk kind of funny.
1658
01:19:34,868 --> 01:19:36,859
Mayor Mike Bradley
Sarnia, Canada
1659
01:19:36,970 --> 01:19:39,268
- ...making sure they have good daycare,
assistance for their parents
1660
01:19:39,372 --> 01:19:41,602
when they're elderly and need
to be in an old-age home,
1661
01:19:41,741 --> 01:19:42,765
that they have proper
health care that insures
1662
01:19:42,909 --> 01:19:45,241
that they won't lose
their business or their house
1663
01:19:45,378 --> 01:19:47,141
because they can't
afford their medical bills.
1664
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,077
That's how you build
a good society.
1665
01:19:49,215 --> 01:19:51,581
No one wins unless everyone
wins. And you don't win
1666
01:19:51,718 --> 01:19:53,845
by beating up on people
who can't defend themselves.
1667
01:19:53,987 --> 01:19:55,352
And that's been the approach,
unfortunately,
1668
01:19:55,488 --> 01:19:57,854
that's been spreading with some
of the right-wing governments
1669
01:19:57,991 --> 01:19:59,618
across North America.
They pick onto people
1670
01:19:59,759 --> 01:20:01,886
that can't defend
themselves and at the same time,
1671
01:20:02,028 --> 01:20:03,655
they're turning around and
giving financial support
1672
01:20:03,797 --> 01:20:06,766
and tax breaks and tax benefits
to people that don't need them.
1673
01:20:06,900 --> 01:20:10,131
- Where are the indigents in
the city? Where do they live?
1674
01:20:10,270 --> 01:20:13,068
- Uh... indigent... uh...
1675
01:20:13,206 --> 01:20:15,572
- You act like you've never heard
the word before.
1676
01:20:15,708 --> 01:20:17,573
- There's... We don't have that
problem here, really. It's...
1677
01:20:17,710 --> 01:20:19,075
- So I asked him,
1678
01:20:19,212 --> 01:20:21,578
"Could you at least take me
to a Canadian slum,"
1679
01:20:21,714 --> 01:20:23,181
and well...
1680
01:20:23,316 --> 01:20:26,479
this is what a ghetto
looks like in Canada.
1681
01:20:26,619 --> 01:20:29,747
Is this the same mentality that
says, with Canadians, if someone
1682
01:20:29,889 --> 01:20:33,325
gets sick, they should actually
be able to have health care?
1683
01:20:33,459 --> 01:20:35,324
- Yeah.
- Oh, definitely.
1684
01:20:35,461 --> 01:20:37,588
- Yeah.
- Yup.
1685
01:20:37,730 --> 01:20:39,095
- Why?
1686
01:20:39,232 --> 01:20:41,029
- Because!
1687
01:20:41,167 --> 01:20:43,032
- Human rights. Everyone's got
the right to live.
1688
01:20:43,169 --> 01:20:45,034
- You just came out of
the emergency room?
1689
01:20:45,171 --> 01:20:46,604
- Yes, I did.
1690
01:20:46,739 --> 01:20:49,105
- How much did you have to pay
for your treatment?
1691
01:20:49,242 --> 01:20:51,107
- The bill is covered
by our hospital plan.
1692
01:20:51,244 --> 01:20:53,109
- You're telling me you didn't
have to pay anything?
1693
01:20:53,246 --> 01:20:54,736
- No, I don't.
1694
01:20:54,881 --> 01:20:57,247
- I have family that lives
in the States.
1695
01:20:57,383 --> 01:20:59,749
They used to live in Canada
and moved over there.
1696
01:20:59,886 --> 01:21:03,117
And it's so different.
- They get afraid more easily.
1697
01:21:03,256 --> 01:21:05,121
- Oh, yeah.
1698
01:21:05,258 --> 01:21:07,123
Yeah, very much so.
1699
01:21:07,260 --> 01:21:11,128
'Cause everybody reacts
over there just like that.
1700
01:21:11,264 --> 01:21:14,062
They don't stop and think.
1701
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:18,569
First reaction is pull the gun
out. "You're on my property."
1702
01:21:18,705 --> 01:21:22,072
You know, like...
1703
01:21:22,208 --> 01:21:25,371
I don't know. It's just
different over here.
1704
01:21:25,511 --> 01:21:27,376
- Where do you live?
- Detroit.
(Windsor, Canada)
1705
01:21:27,513 --> 01:21:29,071
- Come over to Canada here
for the night?
1706
01:21:29,215 --> 01:21:30,580
- Right.
1707
01:21:30,717 --> 01:21:33,811
- People are more open-minded
here, a bit more welcoming.
1708
01:21:33,953 --> 01:21:36,581
- Feel any difference when
you cross over to this country?
1709
01:21:36,723 --> 01:21:38,748
Be honest, now, come on.
- It's a lot lighter.
1710
01:21:38,892 --> 01:21:40,757
- The segregation over there
is definitely much more--
1711
01:21:40,894 --> 01:21:42,759
- In the United States.
- ...more intensified
1712
01:21:42,896 --> 01:21:44,761
in the States, yeah.
- Yeah.
1713
01:21:44,898 --> 01:21:46,957
- So you can... You can feel it.
1714
01:21:47,100 --> 01:21:49,261
- Almost like they just
let you be.
1715
01:21:49,402 --> 01:21:51,495
- That's Canada for you.
1716
01:21:51,638 --> 01:21:53,606
- Every time I turn on the TV
in the States,
1717
01:21:53,740 --> 01:21:57,107
it's always about a murder here,
a gunfight, hostile position...
1718
01:21:57,243 --> 01:22:00,610
- I just think the States, their
view of things is fighting.
1719
01:22:00,747 --> 01:22:02,612
That's how they resolve
everything.
1720
01:22:02,749 --> 01:22:05,616
If there's... there's something
going on in another country,
1721
01:22:05,752 --> 01:22:07,617
they send people over
to fight it and...
1722
01:22:07,754 --> 01:22:10,120
- They are the most powerful
country in the world, though.
1723
01:22:10,256 --> 01:22:12,053
- Canada's more just, like,
"Let's negotiate,
1724
01:22:12,191 --> 01:22:14,557
let's work something out."
Where the States is,
1725
01:22:14,694 --> 01:22:17,094
"We'll kill you and that'll be
the end of that."
1726
01:22:17,230 --> 01:22:22,065
- Um, if guns were...
If more guns made people safer,
1727
01:22:22,201 --> 01:22:25,261
then America would be one of the
safest countries in the world.
1728
01:22:25,405 --> 01:22:27,305
It isn't. It's the opposite.
1729
01:23:11,951 --> 01:23:13,919
- I heard that 911 call,
you know, on TV someplace.
1730
01:23:14,053 --> 01:23:15,918
It was horrible. It was just...
1731
01:23:16,055 --> 01:23:17,784
- 'Cause he kept asking,
"Where's the shooter?"
1732
01:23:17,924 --> 01:23:19,915
She said, "He's gone.
I need some help."
1733
01:23:20,059 --> 01:23:21,458
- The little girl was
in there too?
1734
01:23:21,594 --> 01:23:24,529
- She was on the floor, yes.
1735
01:23:24,664 --> 01:23:26,564
- And the police and
the medics came, or...
1736
01:23:26,699 --> 01:23:28,564
- By the time the medics were
here...
1737
01:23:28,701 --> 01:23:31,568
The medics had just come in
and I remember him stepping in
1738
01:23:31,704 --> 01:23:34,571
and taking over the room.
He said, "You have to leave."
1739
01:23:34,707 --> 01:23:36,572
- All right.
- And then when the meds come in,
1740
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:39,075
when the police come in,
you're no longer in control.
1741
01:23:39,212 --> 01:23:42,079
They take over the building.
- Was she still alive then?
1742
01:23:42,215 --> 01:23:44,479
- Her lips had become
totally blue.
1743
01:23:47,086 --> 01:23:48,747
- Back in my hometown
of Flint, Michigan,
1744
01:23:48,855 --> 01:23:52,552
a six-year-old first-grade boy,
at Buell Elementary,
1745
01:23:52,692 --> 01:23:55,092
had found a gun
at his uncle's house,
1746
01:23:55,228 --> 01:23:58,561
where he was staying because
his mother was being evicted.
1747
01:23:58,698 --> 01:24:02,566
He brought the gun to school
and shot another first-grader,
1748
01:24:02,702 --> 01:24:05,728
six-year-old Kayla Rolland.
1749
01:24:05,872 --> 01:24:08,102
With one bullet that passed
through her body,
1750
01:24:08,241 --> 01:24:10,869
she fell to the floor
and laid there dying
1751
01:24:11,010 --> 01:24:14,468
while her teacher called 911
for help.
1752
01:24:14,614 --> 01:24:16,445
No one knew why the little boy
1753
01:24:16,582 --> 01:24:18,140
wanted to shoot
the little girl.
1754
01:24:18,284 --> 01:24:20,479
As if the city
had not been through
1755
01:24:20,620 --> 01:24:21,644
enough horror and tragedy
1756
01:24:21,788 --> 01:24:24,154
in the past two decades,
it was now home
1757
01:24:24,290 --> 01:24:27,418
to a new record: the youngest
school shooting ever
1758
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:29,425
in the United States.
1759
01:24:29,562 --> 01:24:32,224
On the morning of the shooting,
1760
01:24:32,365 --> 01:24:36,324
it only took the helicopters
and satellite trucks
1761
01:24:36,469 --> 01:24:37,902
a half-hour to show up.
1762
01:24:38,037 --> 01:24:39,595
- They check in the truck.
1763
01:24:39,739 --> 01:24:42,674
You know, we're doing one
in 30 minutes again.
1764
01:24:42,809 --> 01:24:44,674
- This evening,
about seven o'clock,
1765
01:24:44,811 --> 01:24:47,541
will be a public memorial
service. Hundreds of people
1766
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:51,013
will mourn the loss of little
Kayla, a tiny little girl
1767
01:24:51,150 --> 01:24:53,175
who loved pizza, teddy bears,
1768
01:24:53,319 --> 01:24:56,413
and who was taken away from us
much too soon. Gina?
1769
01:24:56,556 --> 01:24:58,421
- Good morning, Christine.
The funeral home now passing out
1770
01:24:58,558 --> 01:25:00,583
tens of thousands
of these pink ribbons
1771
01:25:00,726 --> 01:25:03,092
to support the young
girl's family.
1772
01:25:03,229 --> 01:25:05,595
Today will be an emotional day
and has been already,
1773
01:25:05,731 --> 01:25:07,631
remembering little Kayla.
1774
01:25:07,767 --> 01:25:09,632
Jeff Ross, Fox-2 News.
1775
01:25:12,171 --> 01:25:13,570
- Nice job.
1776
01:25:15,675 --> 01:25:18,041
- Yeah, Michelle, we're having
technical problems, okay?
1777
01:25:18,177 --> 01:25:21,203
Well, don't talk to me about it,
call our sat truck.
1778
01:25:21,347 --> 01:25:23,212
I need a haircut, man.
1779
01:25:23,349 --> 01:25:26,546
I'm a pig. A rug.
1780
01:25:26,686 --> 01:25:28,085
Here we go.
1781
01:25:33,192 --> 01:25:35,057
Some too choked up
even to speak about it.
1782
01:25:35,194 --> 01:25:37,059
There's a memorial service
scheduled here
1783
01:25:37,196 --> 01:25:39,061
for seven o'clock tonight.
1784
01:25:39,198 --> 01:25:41,063
We're live in Flint, Michigan,
this afternoon.
1785
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:43,100
Jeff Ross, Q-13 Reports.
1786
01:25:47,707 --> 01:25:49,334
Thank you.
- Thank you.
1787
01:25:49,408 --> 01:25:51,376
- Want some hairspray?
1788
01:25:51,444 --> 01:25:53,412
- I kind of need it, don't I?
- Yeah, you do,
1789
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:54,503
- I got some...
1790
01:25:54,580 --> 01:25:56,639
- I have some. I just didn't put
it in. I didn't have a chance.
1791
01:25:56,716 --> 01:25:58,411
I have hurricane-proof hairspray.
1792
01:25:58,484 --> 01:26:02,818
This man prayed for Kayla
then let the balloon go.
1793
01:26:02,955 --> 01:26:04,479
I say we have
the colour picture,
1794
01:26:04,624 --> 01:26:05,682
not the black-and-white.
1795
01:26:05,825 --> 01:26:07,690
Plenty of media here
that covered Columbine.
1796
01:26:07,827 --> 01:26:10,091
You know, there are
some networks, especially,
1797
01:26:10,229 --> 01:26:13,027
that go from, unfortunately,
tragedy to tragedy.
1798
01:26:13,166 --> 01:26:18,536
And, uh, I feel bad for them.
Because that's all they see...
1799
01:26:18,671 --> 01:26:20,662
The tragedies.
1800
01:26:20,806 --> 01:26:23,900
We're just trying
to crunch right now
1801
01:26:24,043 --> 01:26:26,034
for the five and the six.
1802
01:26:26,179 --> 01:26:30,240
Today, we're feeding
CNN and Fox, so...
1803
01:26:30,383 --> 01:26:34,547
- The national media had never
visited Buell Elementary,
1804
01:26:34,687 --> 01:26:37,554
or the Beecher school district
in which it sat,
1805
01:26:37,690 --> 01:26:40,056
or this part of Flint
ever before.
1806
01:26:40,193 --> 01:26:43,560
And few, if any, of these
reporters bothered to visit it
1807
01:26:43,696 --> 01:26:45,561
even when they were here now.
1808
01:26:45,698 --> 01:26:49,065
If they had ventured just
a block away from the school
1809
01:26:49,202 --> 01:26:51,067
or the funeral home,
they might have seen
1810
01:26:51,204 --> 01:26:53,570
a different kind of tragedy
that, perhaps, would contain
1811
01:26:53,706 --> 01:26:57,267
some answers as to why
this little girl was dead.
1812
01:26:59,245 --> 01:27:01,577
For over 20 years,
this impoverished area,
1813
01:27:01,714 --> 01:27:03,705
in the hometown
1814
01:27:03,849 --> 01:27:05,714
of the world's
largest corporation,
1815
01:27:05,851 --> 01:27:08,445
had been ignored as completely
as it had been destroyed.
1816
01:27:08,588 --> 01:27:11,921
With 87% of the students
living below
1817
01:27:12,058 --> 01:27:13,923
the official poverty line,
1818
01:27:14,060 --> 01:27:17,757
Buell and Beecher, and Flint,
did not fit into
1819
01:27:17,897 --> 01:27:20,058
the accepted and widely
circulated story line
1820
01:27:20,199 --> 01:27:22,793
put forth by
the nation's media.
1821
01:27:22,935 --> 01:27:27,133
That being the one
about America
1822
01:27:27,273 --> 01:27:29,173
and its invincible economy.
1823
01:27:34,614 --> 01:27:36,980
The number-one cause of death
among young people
1824
01:27:37,116 --> 01:27:40,313
in this part of Flint was
homicide. The football field,
1825
01:27:40,453 --> 01:27:43,650
at Flint-Beecher, was sponsored
by a funeral home.
1826
01:27:43,789 --> 01:27:47,418
The kids at Beecher have won
1827
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,528
13 state track championships,
1828
01:27:49,662 --> 01:27:51,527
but they've never had
1829
01:27:51,664 --> 01:27:54,030
a home track meet.
1830
01:27:54,166 --> 01:27:56,066
Because around
the football field,
1831
01:27:56,202 --> 01:27:58,033
all they have is
this dirt ring.
1832
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:04,767
Years ago, someone here
named the streets,
1833
01:28:04,910 --> 01:28:08,175
in this part of town, after
all the Ivy League schools,
1834
01:28:08,314 --> 01:28:11,613
as if they had dreamed
of better days
1835
01:28:11,751 --> 01:28:14,049
and something greater
for themselves.
1836
01:28:20,993 --> 01:28:24,360
- The children are doing well.
1837
01:28:24,497 --> 01:28:26,522
The faculty and staff
are doing well.
1838
01:28:26,666 --> 01:28:28,531
But we don't forget.
1839
01:28:28,668 --> 01:28:31,466
We don't forget.
1840
01:28:31,604 --> 01:28:33,970
Just don't want this happening
to anybody else, you know?
1841
01:28:34,106 --> 01:28:36,540
It's...
1842
01:28:36,676 --> 01:28:38,541
- I know.
1843
01:28:38,678 --> 01:28:42,546
I know. I don't want it to
happen to anybody else either.
1844
01:28:42,682 --> 01:28:47,051
- Hmm...
- It's okay. It's okay.
1845
01:28:47,186 --> 01:28:48,813
It's okay.
1846
01:28:49,188 --> 01:28:50,587
It's okay.
1847
01:28:55,194 --> 01:28:57,594
I'm sorry.
- That's all right.
1848
01:29:00,700 --> 01:29:04,067
...from my cold, dead hands!
1849
01:29:04,203 --> 01:29:07,070
- Just as he did
1850
01:29:07,206 --> 01:29:10,437
after the Columbine shooting,
Charlton Heston showed up
1851
01:29:10,576 --> 01:29:13,340
in Flint to have
a big pro-gun rally.
1852
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:15,344
- Freedom has never seen
1853
01:29:15,481 --> 01:29:19,577
greater peril nor needed
you more urgently
1854
01:29:19,719 --> 01:29:21,846
to come to her defence than now.
1855
01:29:21,987 --> 01:29:23,579
- Before he came to Flint,
Heston was interviewed
1856
01:29:23,723 --> 01:29:27,022
by the Georgetown Hoya
about Kayla's death,
1857
01:29:27,159 --> 01:29:29,593
and even his own NRA website
talked about it.
1858
01:29:29,729 --> 01:29:32,755
- We wanted to let the NRA know
that we haven't forgotten
1859
01:29:32,898 --> 01:29:34,160
about Kayla Rolland.
1860
01:29:34,300 --> 01:29:36,768
How could they come here?
To me, it's like they're rubbing
1861
01:29:36,902 --> 01:29:38,927
our nose in it. I was shocked
1862
01:29:39,071 --> 01:29:40,766
and appalled that
they would come here.
1863
01:29:40,906 --> 01:29:44,171
- Heston was asked by a local
reporter why he came to Flint
1864
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:46,676
after the tragedy at Buell,
1865
01:29:46,812 --> 01:29:48,677
and what did the NRA
have to say
1866
01:29:48,814 --> 01:29:50,839
about six-year-olds using guns.
1867
01:29:50,983 --> 01:29:55,852
- We spend $20 million every year
1868
01:29:55,988 --> 01:29:59,116
and then we teach you...
to five and six-year-olds,
1869
01:29:59,258 --> 01:30:02,125
we say, "If you see a gun,
don't touch it,
1870
01:30:02,261 --> 01:30:04,627
leave the room, call an adult."
1871
01:30:04,764 --> 01:30:07,289
- And then Moses himself
showed up.
1872
01:30:07,433 --> 01:30:09,298
- Right here in the city
of Flint?
1873
01:30:09,435 --> 01:30:11,300
- Right here in Flint.
1874
01:30:11,437 --> 01:30:13,337
- Were there people that wanted
you to try this child,
1875
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,407
Arthur Busch
County Prosecutor, Flint, Michigan
1876
01:30:15,541 --> 01:30:18,567
or even try him as an adult?
- Oh... Oh, yeah.
1877
01:30:18,711 --> 01:30:22,579
There were people from all over
America that wrote and called
1878
01:30:22,715 --> 01:30:27,084
and sent mail and...
It was amazing to me, um...
1879
01:30:27,219 --> 01:30:30,086
groups that were affiliated
with the NRA -
1880
01:30:30,222 --> 01:30:34,090
groups, you know, people
that I call "gun nuts" -
1881
01:30:34,226 --> 01:30:37,093
writing me and telling me
what a horrible thing it was
1882
01:30:37,229 --> 01:30:41,598
that I had admonished homeowners
in our country
1883
01:30:41,734 --> 01:30:45,602
to be careful about bringing
weapons into their home.
1884
01:30:45,738 --> 01:30:49,105
They wanted this little boy
hung from the highest tree.
1885
01:30:49,241 --> 01:30:52,108
I mean, there was such
an undercurrent of racism
1886
01:30:52,244 --> 01:30:54,712
and hate and anger.
1887
01:30:54,814 --> 01:30:56,543
It was ugly.
1888
01:30:58,951 --> 01:31:00,475
- That's a picture that
the little boy that was involved
1889
01:31:00,686 --> 01:31:01,948
in the Buell-school shooting...
1890
01:31:02,087 --> 01:31:04,112
Once he was brought back here
to our office,
1891
01:31:04,256 --> 01:31:06,622
about 15 minutes after
the shooting took place,
1892
01:31:06,759 --> 01:31:09,227
I gave him some crayons to kind
of occupy him a little bit.
1893
01:31:09,295 --> 01:31:11,229
Michael Caldwell
Police Detective
1894
01:31:11,297 --> 01:31:13,197
He came over and drew
that picture for me.
1895
01:31:13,265 --> 01:31:15,392
Because at the time, I had
pictures right behind my desk
1896
01:31:15,534 --> 01:31:18,401
that my children had drew for me
and he wanted to draw me one.
1897
01:31:18,537 --> 01:31:21,938
- This is what he drew for you.
What did he say this was?
1898
01:31:22,074 --> 01:31:23,268
- That's him at his house.
1899
01:31:23,409 --> 01:31:25,206
- That's him at his house,
right here.
1900
01:31:25,344 --> 01:31:29,576
And why did you decide
to hang on to it?
1901
01:31:29,715 --> 01:31:32,582
- Because of the gravity of the
situation and what had occurred
1902
01:31:32,718 --> 01:31:35,084
and he asked me to hang that
behind my desk,
1903
01:31:35,221 --> 01:31:38,122
so I put it in a frame
and that's where it'll stay.
1904
01:31:40,226 --> 01:31:43,593
- Tamarla Owens was the mother
of the six-year-old boy.
1905
01:31:43,729 --> 01:31:45,128
In order to get food stamps and
health care for her children,
1906
01:31:48,434 --> 01:31:50,595
Tamarla was forced to work as
part of the state of Michigan's
1907
01:31:50,736 --> 01:31:53,068
Welfare-to-Work Program.
1908
01:31:53,205 --> 01:31:55,264
This program was so successful
1909
01:31:55,407 --> 01:31:57,102
in tossing poor people
off welfare
1910
01:31:57,243 --> 01:31:58,676
that it's founder,
1911
01:31:58,811 --> 01:32:00,676
Gerald Miller, was soon hired
1912
01:32:00,813 --> 01:32:03,839
by the number-one firm in the
country that states turned to
1913
01:32:03,983 --> 01:32:08,283
to privatize
their welfare systems.
1914
01:32:08,420 --> 01:32:12,186
That firm was Lockheed Martin.
With the cold war over
1915
01:32:12,324 --> 01:32:14,792
and no enemy left
to frighten the public,
1916
01:32:14,927 --> 01:32:16,792
Lockheed had found
the perfect way to diversify
1917
01:32:16,929 --> 01:32:18,556
and the perfect way
1918
01:32:18,697 --> 01:32:20,562
to profit from people's fears,
1919
01:32:20,699 --> 01:32:22,564
with an enemy
much closer to home:
1920
01:32:22,701 --> 01:32:25,101
poor black mothers
1921
01:32:25,237 --> 01:32:26,898
like Tamarla Owens.
1922
01:32:27,039 --> 01:32:30,008
- We've got a one-parent family and
the mother's travelling 60 miles.
1923
01:32:30,109 --> 01:32:32,669
Sheriff Robert Pickell
Flint, Michigan
1924
01:32:32,778 --> 01:32:34,973
An hour, an hour and a half
away to go to work
1925
01:32:35,047 --> 01:32:37,038
an hour, an hour and a half
to come home.
1926
01:32:37,116 --> 01:32:39,414
How does that help a community?
But that's part of the state...
1927
01:32:39,552 --> 01:32:41,452
you know, making parents
responsible, making them work--
1928
01:32:41,587 --> 01:32:43,487
- Welfare to work.
- Welfare to work.
1929
01:32:43,622 --> 01:32:45,613
That's a program
that ought to be stopped
1930
01:32:45,758 --> 01:32:47,623
because it really has no merit.
1931
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:49,625
I think it adds more
to the problem
1932
01:32:49,762 --> 01:32:51,627
than it does to solve it.
1933
01:32:51,764 --> 01:32:53,595
- Really?
- I do.
1934
01:32:53,732 --> 01:32:55,597
- You're the sheriff
and you feel this way.
1935
01:32:55,734 --> 01:32:59,602
- I do, I do. I wish I could put
two parents in every home
1936
01:32:59,738 --> 01:33:01,296
and make every parent
equally responsible,
1937
01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:02,737
but I can't do that.
1938
01:33:02,875 --> 01:33:04,740
But we're not doing anything
by taking one parent
1939
01:33:04,877 --> 01:33:07,744
and putting them on a bus
and sending them out of town
1940
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,371
to make $5.50 an hour.
1941
01:33:10,516 --> 01:33:13,314
- This is the bus that she was
forced to ride every day
1942
01:33:13,452 --> 01:33:15,317
in order to work off
the welfare money
1943
01:33:15,454 --> 01:33:17,354
the state had given her.
1944
01:33:20,693 --> 01:33:23,059
She, and many others from Flint
who were poor,
1945
01:33:23,195 --> 01:33:26,062
would make the 80-mile
round-trip journey every day,
1946
01:33:26,198 --> 01:33:28,758
from Flint to Auburn Hills,
in Oakland County,
1947
01:33:28,901 --> 01:33:33,270
one of the wealthiest areas
in the country.
1948
01:33:33,405 --> 01:33:35,270
Tamarla would leave
1949
01:33:35,407 --> 01:33:38,843
early in the morning
and return late at night,
1950
01:33:38,978 --> 01:33:42,345
rarely seeing
her young children.
1951
01:33:42,481 --> 01:33:45,575
- What's the point in doing that?
Where does the state benefit?
1952
01:33:45,718 --> 01:33:48,084
Where does Flint and Genesee
County benefit from that?
1953
01:33:48,220 --> 01:33:51,087
We have a child dead.
I think that may be, in part,
1954
01:33:51,223 --> 01:33:53,088
part of the problem.
1955
01:33:53,225 --> 01:33:56,592
We drove the one parent out.
1956
01:33:56,729 --> 01:34:00,597
Now, you or anybody else
that can tell me
1957
01:34:00,733 --> 01:34:03,600
that that best serves
the community,
1958
01:34:03,736 --> 01:34:06,432
I shake my head and wonder why.
1959
01:34:06,572 --> 01:34:09,166
- How long you been riding
the bus?
1960
01:34:09,308 --> 01:34:10,741
- I've been working here
1961
01:34:10,876 --> 01:34:13,037
just about three years now.
- About three years?
1962
01:34:13,178 --> 01:34:16,545
- Yeah. My brother...
I got my brother working here,
1963
01:34:16,682 --> 01:34:18,547
half of my neighbourhood
works out here.
1964
01:34:18,684 --> 01:34:22,142
Just about everybody I know
personally works in the mall.
1965
01:34:22,287 --> 01:34:25,051
In Flint, doing the same thing
I'm doing now,
1966
01:34:25,190 --> 01:34:28,057
they only pay minimum wage
in Flint. I come 40 miles
1967
01:34:28,193 --> 01:34:30,559
to make three or four
dollars more an hour.
1968
01:34:30,696 --> 01:34:33,563
- How much do you make an hour?
- I make 8.50 now.
1969
01:34:33,699 --> 01:34:35,564
- Is that enough
to pay the bills?
1970
01:34:35,701 --> 01:34:37,100
- No.
1971
01:34:37,236 --> 01:34:39,329
- So did you know Tamarla Owens,
1972
01:34:39,471 --> 01:34:42,372
the woman whose son
shot the little girl?
1973
01:34:42,508 --> 01:34:45,068
I think she rode this bus.
- I knew her a little bit.
1974
01:34:45,210 --> 01:34:47,576
Not real good.
- Nice lady?
1975
01:34:47,713 --> 01:34:51,080
- Yeah, she was okay. She came
to work every day, did her job.
1976
01:34:51,216 --> 01:34:53,582
She worked two jobs, so...
- She worked two jobs?
1977
01:34:53,719 --> 01:34:56,279
- She was trying
to make ends meet.
1978
01:34:56,422 --> 01:34:58,287
"We're going hopping
We're going hopping today
1979
01:34:58,424 --> 01:35:00,085
"Where things are popping...
1980
01:35:00,225 --> 01:35:02,352
- This is Dick Clark's
American Bandstand Grill,
1981
01:35:02,494 --> 01:35:05,463
where Tamarla worked
one of her two jobs.
1982
01:35:05,597 --> 01:35:07,462
"On the Bandstand
Bandstand"
1983
01:35:07,599 --> 01:35:11,091
- I think she worked in this room
here, as a bartender,
1984
01:35:11,236 --> 01:35:15,036
fountain-person making drinks,
making shakes, desserts.
1985
01:35:15,174 --> 01:35:17,802
- Was she a good employee?
- Yeah, she was.
1986
01:35:17,943 --> 01:35:20,912
She also worked at the Fudgery,
in the mall here.
1987
01:35:23,749 --> 01:35:26,217
- Dick Clark is
an American icon,
1988
01:35:26,351 --> 01:35:29,411
the man who brought rock'n'roll
into our homes every week
1989
01:35:29,555 --> 01:35:30,453
on American Bandstand.
1990
01:35:30,589 --> 01:35:32,955
- Every part of your life,
you can link up
1991
01:35:33,092 --> 01:35:34,992
to a part of music, usually.
So, as Dick says,
1992
01:35:35,127 --> 01:35:37,061
"It's the soundtrack
of our lives."
1993
01:35:37,196 --> 01:35:40,256
Music's the soundtrack
of our lives.
1994
01:35:40,399 --> 01:35:42,560
- His restaurant and the
Fudgery, here in Auburn Hills,
1995
01:35:42,701 --> 01:35:45,397
applied for special tax breaks
because they were using
1996
01:35:45,537 --> 01:35:47,402
welfare people as employees.
1997
01:35:47,539 --> 01:35:49,734
Even though Tamarla worked
up to 70 hours a week
1998
01:35:49,875 --> 01:35:51,740
at these two jobs
1999
01:35:51,877 --> 01:35:55,404
in the mall, she did not earn
enough to pay her rent.
2000
01:35:55,547 --> 01:35:57,412
And one week before
the shooting,
2001
01:35:57,549 --> 01:35:59,312
was told by her landlord
2002
01:35:59,451 --> 01:36:01,316
that he was evicting her.
2003
01:36:01,453 --> 01:36:03,944
With nowhere to go
and not wanting to take
2004
01:36:04,089 --> 01:36:07,616
her two children out of school,
Tamarla asked her brother
2005
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:10,160
if they could stay with him
for a few weeks.
2006
01:36:10,295 --> 01:36:12,092
It was there that Tamarla's son
2007
01:36:12,231 --> 01:36:16,998
found a small 32-calibre gun
and took it to school.
2008
01:36:17,136 --> 01:36:19,536
Tamarla did not see him
take the gun to school,
2009
01:36:19,671 --> 01:36:22,538
because she was on a state bus
to go serve drinks
2010
01:36:22,674 --> 01:36:25,040
and make fudge for rich people.
2011
01:36:25,177 --> 01:36:27,805
"Bandstand"
2012
01:36:30,949 --> 01:36:32,814
I decided to fly out
to California
2013
01:36:32,951 --> 01:36:35,749
to ask Dick Clark what
he thought about a system
2014
01:36:35,888 --> 01:36:38,186
that forces poor,
single mothers to work
2015
01:36:38,323 --> 01:36:40,553
two low-wage jobs to survive.
2016
01:36:40,692 --> 01:36:44,560
I'm doing a documentary
on these school shootings
2017
01:36:44,696 --> 01:36:46,561
and, you know,
guns and all that.
2018
01:36:46,698 --> 01:36:50,566
And in my hometown of Flint
Michigan, which you know,
2019
01:36:50,702 --> 01:36:53,068
this little six-year-old
shot a six-year-old--
2020
01:36:53,205 --> 01:36:56,072
- Get in the car, Dave!
Watch your arm, watch your arm.
2021
01:36:56,208 --> 01:36:59,075
- Oop, sorry, sorry.
- I'm sorry, we're really late.
2022
01:36:59,211 --> 01:37:02,078
- Anyways, but the mother of
the kid who did the shooting
2023
01:37:02,214 --> 01:37:04,580
works at Dick Clark's
All-American Grill...
2024
01:37:04,716 --> 01:37:06,581
- Forget it.
- ...in Oakland County...
2025
01:37:06,718 --> 01:37:08,583
- Close the door.
- A Welfare-to-work program--
2026
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:10,585
- Close the door.
- These people are forced...
2027
01:37:10,722 --> 01:37:12,519
Dick, no...
- Bye-bye. Come on, move over!
2028
01:37:12,658 --> 01:37:15,525
- I want you to help me convince
the governor of Michigan...
2029
01:37:15,661 --> 01:37:18,528
It's a Welfare-to-work pro...
These women are forced to work!
2030
01:37:18,664 --> 01:37:20,529
They've got kids at home. Dick!
2031
01:37:20,666 --> 01:37:22,293
Ah, jeez!
2032
01:37:22,434 --> 01:37:25,028
In George Bush's America,
2033
01:37:25,170 --> 01:37:27,900
the poor were not a priority.
2034
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:30,736
And after September 11th, 2001,
2035
01:37:30,876 --> 01:37:33,344
correcting America's
social problems
2036
01:37:33,478 --> 01:37:35,378
took a back seat to fear,
2037
01:37:35,514 --> 01:37:38,244
panic and a new set
of priorities.
2038
01:37:38,383 --> 01:37:41,045
- One way to express our unity
2039
01:37:41,186 --> 01:37:45,054
is for Congress to set
the military budget,
2040
01:37:45,190 --> 01:37:47,055
the defence of
the United States,
2041
01:37:47,192 --> 01:37:51,026
as the number-one priority
and fully fund my request!
2042
01:37:55,701 --> 01:37:57,794
- We've been selling
a lot of chemical suits,
2043
01:37:57,936 --> 01:38:00,564
with the gloves and the hoods.
2044
01:38:00,706 --> 01:38:02,867
And we've been selling
a lot of gas masks.
2045
01:38:03,008 --> 01:38:05,203
- I'm trying to get one
for myself and my puppy.
2046
01:38:05,344 --> 01:38:07,107
Denis Marks and his wife
2047
01:38:07,246 --> 01:38:08,406
have been stocking up supplies.
2048
01:38:08,547 --> 01:38:10,606
- Weapons, ammunition...
2049
01:38:10,749 --> 01:38:12,546
Wal-Mart says after September 11th,
2050
01:38:12,684 --> 01:38:15,016
gun sales surged 70%,
2051
01:38:15,153 --> 01:38:17,246
ammunition up 140%.
2052
01:38:17,389 --> 01:38:19,380
In Dallas, they're
already taking potshots
2053
01:38:19,524 --> 01:38:21,389
at Osama bin Laden.
2054
01:38:21,526 --> 01:38:23,391
- In the months following
the 9/11 attacks,
2055
01:38:23,528 --> 01:38:27,225
we, Americans, were gripped
in a state of fear.
2056
01:38:27,366 --> 01:38:29,300
None of us knew
if we too would die
2057
01:38:29,434 --> 01:38:31,800
at the hands of the evildoers,
2058
01:38:31,937 --> 01:38:33,427
or who might be sitting
2059
01:38:33,572 --> 01:38:36,405
next to some crazy guy trying
to light his shoes on fire.
2060
01:38:36,541 --> 01:38:38,099
The threat seemed very real.
2061
01:38:38,243 --> 01:38:41,542
- Sounds a little paranoid but
I'm not gonna take the chance.
2062
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:43,648
Just trying to protect
myself and my family.
2063
01:38:43,782 --> 01:38:45,682
- Our growing fears were turned
2064
01:38:45,817 --> 01:38:47,785
into a handsome profit
for many.
2065
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:49,319
- Mike Blake has seen
2066
01:38:49,454 --> 01:38:51,479
a 30% increase in sales at ADT
2067
01:38:51,623 --> 01:38:52,749
over the last month.
2068
01:38:52,891 --> 01:38:55,621
Most of the people he talks to
are still a little uneasy
2069
01:38:55,761 --> 01:38:57,922
over the September 11th
terrorist attacks.
2070
01:38:58,063 --> 01:39:00,327
- How are we afraid of all these
things, it's because
2071
01:39:00,465 --> 01:39:03,457
a lot of people are making
a lot of money off of it
2072
01:39:03,602 --> 01:39:05,593
and a lot of careers off of it.
2073
01:39:05,737 --> 01:39:07,762
And so, there's
vested interests,
2074
01:39:07,906 --> 01:39:10,272
a lot of activity
to keep us afraid.
2075
01:39:10,409 --> 01:39:13,071
- And what better way to fight
box-cutter-wielding terrorists
2076
01:39:13,211 --> 01:39:15,577
than to order a record number
of fighter jets
2077
01:39:15,714 --> 01:39:17,511
from Lockheed?
2078
01:39:17,649 --> 01:39:20,447
Yes, everyone felt safer,
especially with the army
2079
01:39:20,585 --> 01:39:22,678
doing garbage detail
on Park Avenue.
2080
01:39:22,821 --> 01:39:24,914
And the greatest benefit
of all of a terrorized public
2081
01:39:25,057 --> 01:39:27,082
is that the corporate
2082
01:39:27,225 --> 01:39:32,094
and political leaders can get
away with just about anything.
2083
01:39:32,230 --> 01:39:34,095
- I've never seen
a better example
2084
01:39:34,232 --> 01:39:36,097
of cash-and-carry government
2085
01:39:36,234 --> 01:39:40,694
than this Bush administration
and Enron.
2086
01:39:40,839 --> 01:39:42,704
- There were a lot of things
that I didn't know
2087
01:39:42,841 --> 01:39:44,706
after the World Trade Center
attack,
2088
01:39:44,843 --> 01:39:49,041
but one thing was clear:
whether it was before or after
2089
01:39:49,181 --> 01:39:52,947
September 11th, a public that's
this out of control with fear
2090
01:39:53,085 --> 01:39:55,645
should not have a lot of guns
or ammo laying around.
2091
01:39:57,756 --> 01:40:02,125
- Well, I was shot with a Tech-9.
2092
01:40:02,260 --> 01:40:04,125
- Nine millimetre?
2093
01:40:04,262 --> 01:40:06,162
- Yeah. Yeah, I was, uh...
2094
01:40:08,266 --> 01:40:10,131
I guess it was supposed
to be semi-automatic,
2095
01:40:10,268 --> 01:40:12,566
but it kind of seemed like
fully automatic to me,
2096
01:40:12,704 --> 01:40:15,901
from what I remember.
- This is Richard Costaldo.
2097
01:40:16,041 --> 01:40:20,068
And this is Mark Taylor.
Both of these boys were shot
2098
01:40:20,212 --> 01:40:22,407
the day of
the Columbine massacre.
2099
01:40:22,547 --> 01:40:26,608
Richard is paralyzed for life
and in a wheelchair.
2100
01:40:26,752 --> 01:40:30,586
And Mark is barely standing
after numerous operations.
2101
01:40:30,722 --> 01:40:33,088
- The kids at Columbine
had to pay a penalty.
2102
01:40:33,225 --> 01:40:35,250
We paid a penalty that day...
for this nation.
2103
01:40:35,394 --> 01:40:37,259
The way we look at it.
2104
01:40:37,396 --> 01:40:40,263
- Mark and Richard were disabled
and suffering
2105
01:40:40,399 --> 01:40:44,768
from the 17-cent K-Mart bullets
still embedded in their bodies.
2106
01:40:44,903 --> 01:40:48,134
As they showed me the various
entry points for the bullets,
2107
01:40:48,273 --> 01:40:50,605
I thought of one way
we could reduce
2108
01:40:50,742 --> 01:40:54,769
the number of guns and bullets
laying around. I asked the boys
2109
01:40:54,913 --> 01:40:58,781
if they'd like to go to K-Mart
to return the merchandise.
2110
01:41:01,753 --> 01:41:04,017
- Ready?
- You... you go.
2111
01:41:22,574 --> 01:41:26,533
K-Mart Headquarters
Troy, Michigan
2112
01:41:41,393 --> 01:41:42,758
- Hi.
2113
01:41:42,894 --> 01:41:44,759
- Excuse me, will you turn
the camera off, please?
2114
01:41:44,896 --> 01:41:47,763
- We're here to see Mr. Conaway.
- You have to turn the camera off
2115
01:41:47,899 --> 01:41:50,697
while you're in the building.
- Oh, okay, all right.
2116
01:41:50,769 --> 01:41:52,532
Okay, turn it off now.
2117
01:41:53,438 --> 01:41:55,702
- Hey, Michael.
- Hi, how are you?
2118
01:41:55,774 --> 01:41:58,265
- I'm Mary Lorenz. I'm director
of Media Relations for K-Mart.
2119
01:41:58,410 --> 01:42:00,605
- Oh, good. All right, good.
- How can I help you today?
2120
01:42:00,745 --> 01:42:03,612
- Well, I'm here today...
This is Richard Costaldo.
2121
01:42:03,748 --> 01:42:06,114
- Richard, nice to meet you.
- And this is Mark Taylor.
2122
01:42:06,251 --> 01:42:08,617
- Mark.
- And they're students
2123
01:42:08,753 --> 01:42:12,553
from Columbine High School.
They were shot at Columbine,
2124
01:42:12,691 --> 01:42:15,683
in the massacre,
with bullets from K-Mart.
2125
01:42:15,827 --> 01:42:18,523
- You came a long way.
All the way from Colorado.
2126
01:42:18,663 --> 01:42:22,565
- Yeah, I just...
I was thinking that...
2127
01:42:22,701 --> 01:42:24,566
since you stopped selling
the handguns and all,
2128
01:42:24,703 --> 01:42:28,571
it'd kind of make sense to stop
selling the bullets too.
2129
01:42:28,707 --> 01:42:31,574
- Our request is that you get rid
of nine-millimetre bullets
2130
01:42:31,710 --> 01:42:33,905
and that you don't sell them
in the store completely.
2131
01:42:34,045 --> 01:42:36,570
- We do carry... You probably
are aware of K-Mart -
2132
01:42:36,715 --> 01:42:39,081
hopefully, you're shoppers
at our stores -
2133
01:42:39,217 --> 01:42:43,085
that we do only carry, you know,
sporting firearms
2134
01:42:43,221 --> 01:42:48,090
and the accessories
that go with the hunting sport.
2135
01:42:48,226 --> 01:42:51,593
And we'll certainly take your
message to our chairman and CEO,
2136
01:42:51,730 --> 01:42:53,994
Chuck Conaway.
He's not here today.
2137
01:42:54,132 --> 01:42:56,692
- He's not here today?
- No. He's not here, actually,
2138
01:42:56,835 --> 01:42:59,395
this whole week.
- Not at all during the week?
2139
01:42:59,538 --> 01:43:02,405
Do you have a limit on the
number of bullets, ammunition,
2140
01:43:02,541 --> 01:43:04,406
that people can purchase?
- You know, I can't answer
2141
01:43:04,543 --> 01:43:06,602
these questions for you.
I'm not the merchandiser
2142
01:43:06,745 --> 01:43:08,144
who places those products
in our stores.
2143
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:09,474
- Can we speak to that person?
2144
01:43:09,614 --> 01:43:11,673
- But I can get answers
to those questions for you.
2145
01:43:11,816 --> 01:43:14,307
If you leave your card, I could
get those answers for you.
2146
01:43:14,452 --> 01:43:15,919
- We don't want to leave a card.
2147
01:43:16,054 --> 01:43:18,215
The reason why
we can't take a card
2148
01:43:18,356 --> 01:43:20,256
and come back
is because Mark here,
2149
01:43:20,392 --> 01:43:23,259
he's got a K-Mart bullet
just an inch away... right?
2150
01:43:23,395 --> 01:43:25,260
- Yeah.
- From your aorta.
2151
01:43:25,397 --> 01:43:28,628
- In between my aorta and spine.
- Between your aorta and spine.
2152
01:43:28,767 --> 01:43:31,463
- I'm glad to see that
you're still able to stand.
2153
01:43:31,603 --> 01:43:34,071
- And I told him that somebody
here would listen,
2154
01:43:34,206 --> 01:43:36,572
somebody here would... would...
2155
01:43:36,708 --> 01:43:40,576
would take the request
seriously. Not just a PR person,
2156
01:43:40,712 --> 01:43:42,577
but somebody who has some
authority and can answer
2157
01:43:42,714 --> 01:43:45,148
some of the questions
that they want answered.
2158
01:43:45,283 --> 01:43:47,148
- K-Mart does care about this,
2159
01:43:47,285 --> 01:43:49,150
but I can't go any further
right now.
2160
01:43:49,287 --> 01:43:51,152
So until I make a call, um,
2161
01:43:51,289 --> 01:43:53,780
I'm gonna go back to the office
2162
01:43:53,925 --> 01:43:56,450
and see if there's anyone
in merchandising...
2163
01:43:56,595 --> 01:43:59,894
- Mary went back upstairs.
And two hours later,
2164
01:44:00,031 --> 01:44:02,898
she brought down this guy whose
job it is to buy the bullets
2165
01:44:03,034 --> 01:44:04,399
for K-Mart.
2166
01:44:04,536 --> 01:44:07,096
- Good. Stay out of trouble.
- Yes.
2167
01:44:07,239 --> 01:44:09,400
- We're not the ones in trouble,
guys.
2168
01:44:09,541 --> 01:44:11,600
Mark thought he'd show him
his bullet wounds.
2169
01:44:11,743 --> 01:44:13,540
Those are his bullet holes.
- Hm.
2170
01:44:13,678 --> 01:44:15,543
- From your bullets.
2171
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:18,308
That's where the K-Mart bullets
went in.
2172
01:44:18,450 --> 01:44:20,315
- Well, take care.
2173
01:44:20,452 --> 01:44:23,046
- Is anybody else gonna
come down?
2174
01:44:23,188 --> 01:44:25,053
Is anybody else gonna come down?
Is that it?
2175
01:44:25,190 --> 01:44:27,420
- I'll check.
- Okay, thank you.
2176
01:44:27,559 --> 01:44:30,050
We waited around
a couple more hours
2177
01:44:30,195 --> 01:44:32,322
but no one else came down.
2178
01:44:32,464 --> 01:44:35,433
As we left the building,
Mark came up with an idea.
2179
01:44:35,567 --> 01:44:37,432
He suggested that we go
2180
01:44:37,569 --> 01:44:42,336
to the nearest K-Mart
and buy out all their bullets.
2181
01:44:42,474 --> 01:44:45,272
- Just take as many of those
as you can.
2182
01:44:45,410 --> 01:44:47,776
- Yeah, you can come around here
and look.
2183
01:44:47,912 --> 01:44:50,506
- What else do we have over here?
2184
01:44:50,649 --> 01:44:53,516
You got 357. Sure, I'll take 'em
all, take everything you got.
2185
01:44:53,652 --> 01:44:56,086
- So you're 17? You're what?
- Sixteen.
2186
01:44:56,221 --> 01:44:57,586
- Wait.
2187
01:44:57,722 --> 01:44:59,587
- Oh, shit!
2188
01:44:59,724 --> 01:45:02,022
- Oh, my God...
2189
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:05,095
- Mark pretty much cleaned them
out of their ammunition.
2190
01:45:05,230 --> 01:45:08,461
And the next day, we decided to
go back to K-Mart headquarters
2191
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:10,625
with all the bullets.
This time,
2192
01:45:10,802 --> 01:45:12,292
we brought the press.
2193
01:45:12,504 --> 01:45:13,835
- Our local first coverage
of south-eastern Michigan
2194
01:45:14,005 --> 01:45:15,529
continues now
with all-new stories.
2195
01:45:18,443 --> 01:45:20,468
- Coming up here on
our six-o'clock report,
2196
01:45:20,612 --> 01:45:22,341
a warning to everyone this
summer to watch out for snakes.
2197
01:45:22,447 --> 01:45:25,416
You'll hear from a mom who was
bitten by a rattlesnake.
2198
01:45:25,550 --> 01:45:27,415
- And also, students who survived
the Columbine massacre
2199
01:45:27,552 --> 01:45:31,044
are in town.
They are very angry with K-Mart.
2200
01:45:31,189 --> 01:45:34,158
- We're here to see Chuck
Conaway, the chairman of K-Mart.
2201
01:45:34,292 --> 01:45:36,055
- How you doing, sir?
It's always a pleasure.
2202
01:45:36,194 --> 01:45:39,561
Okay, uh...
2203
01:45:39,698 --> 01:45:42,599
They would like to speak
to Mr. Conaway.
2204
01:45:42,734 --> 01:45:46,500
- Here's the nine-millimetres.
2205
01:45:46,638 --> 01:45:49,163
These are the bullets
that are in both Richard
2206
01:45:49,307 --> 01:45:51,605
and in Mark's body right now.
2207
01:45:59,150 --> 01:46:00,174
- Move your group outside.
2208
01:46:00,318 --> 01:46:02,218
I'll have somebody here
in five minutes.
2209
01:46:02,354 --> 01:46:03,878
- Do me a favour,
don't block the door.
2210
01:46:04,022 --> 01:46:05,546
Just off to the side,
if you would.
2211
01:46:05,690 --> 01:46:07,248
- Will go outside and
somebody will come out.
2212
01:46:07,392 --> 01:46:08,450
- My name's Laurie McTavish.
2213
01:46:08,593 --> 01:46:11,153
I'm the Vice-president of
Communications for K-Mart.
2214
01:46:11,296 --> 01:46:14,527
I'm happy to deliver a statement
on behalf of the company.
2215
01:46:14,666 --> 01:46:18,033
What happened in Columbine,
Colorado, was truly tragic
2216
01:46:18,169 --> 01:46:20,034
and touched every American.
2217
01:46:20,171 --> 01:46:22,537
We're sorry for the...
2218
01:46:22,674 --> 01:46:24,733
disadvantage to this young man.
2219
01:46:24,876 --> 01:46:27,538
K-Mart is phasing out the sale
of handgun ammunition.
2220
01:46:27,679 --> 01:46:30,978
The business plan calls
for this to be complete
2221
01:46:31,116 --> 01:46:35,052
in the continental U.S.
within the next 90 days.
2222
01:46:35,186 --> 01:46:36,551
- Wow! Wow!
2223
01:46:36,688 --> 01:46:38,553
- K-Mart representatives met
with Mr. Moore
2224
01:46:38,690 --> 01:46:41,056
and the students from Columbine,
Colorado, yesterday,
2225
01:46:41,192 --> 01:46:44,059
and listened to their concerns
about the product
2226
01:46:44,195 --> 01:46:46,060
carried in K-Mart stores.
2227
01:46:46,197 --> 01:46:49,064
The company committed,
at the end of that meeting,
2228
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:52,931
that K-Mart would have an answer
for them within a week's time.
2229
01:46:53,071 --> 01:46:55,938
- Well, the first thing we want
to do is thank you
2230
01:46:56,074 --> 01:46:59,566
for committing to no longer
selling handgun ammunition
2231
01:46:59,711 --> 01:47:01,576
in your stores.
And within 90 days--
2232
01:47:01,713 --> 01:47:04,079
- The process will be phased out
within 90 days.
2233
01:47:04,215 --> 01:47:06,581
- And after 90 days,
there will be no more selling
2234
01:47:06,718 --> 01:47:09,585
of ammunition that can go into
handguns or assault weapons.
2235
01:47:09,721 --> 01:47:11,916
- Firearm ammunition, will be...
We will not sell it,
2236
01:47:12,056 --> 01:47:13,921
after 90 days, in our stores.
2237
01:47:14,058 --> 01:47:16,856
- We greatly appreciate that.
- Thank you.
2238
01:47:16,995 --> 01:47:19,054
- Thank you very much. Thank you.
That's very brave.
2239
01:47:22,167 --> 01:47:23,828
Thank you. Wow!
2240
01:47:23,968 --> 01:47:27,199
That blows my mind. That's
more than what we asked for.
2241
01:47:27,338 --> 01:47:30,034
- It's remarkable.
- Yeah. Well, like I told you--
2242
01:47:30,175 --> 01:47:32,040
- I didn't think--
- Did you think?
2243
01:47:32,177 --> 01:47:34,042
- No!
- We're like, uh...
2244
01:47:34,179 --> 01:47:38,275
We're just getting ready to...
We're going to the airport.
2245
01:47:38,416 --> 01:47:41,044
The kids from Columbine had
scored an overwhelming victory
2246
01:47:41,186 --> 01:47:43,051
against K-Mart
and it inspired me
2247
01:47:43,188 --> 01:47:47,284
to do something that
I knew I had to do.
2248
01:47:47,425 --> 01:47:49,985
All I needed... was a star map.
2249
01:48:10,715 --> 01:48:12,512
- Hello?
- Mr. Heston?
2250
01:48:12,650 --> 01:48:14,515
- Yeah.
- This is Michael Moore.
2251
01:48:14,652 --> 01:48:16,017
- Yes.
- The film-maker?
2252
01:48:16,154 --> 01:48:18,019
- Yes, of course.
- Yes. How you doing?
2253
01:48:18,156 --> 01:48:19,521
- Fine, thank you.
2254
01:48:19,657 --> 01:48:22,524
- Listen, I was wondering
if maybe I could talk to you.
2255
01:48:22,660 --> 01:48:26,357
We're making a documentary
about the whole gun issue.
2256
01:48:26,498 --> 01:48:28,363
And I'm a member of the NRA.
2257
01:48:28,500 --> 01:48:31,025
I thought maybe we could talk
a little bit about--
2258
01:48:31,169 --> 01:48:33,034
- Tell you what, let me look
at my calendar.
2259
01:48:33,171 --> 01:48:35,537
I may be able to give you
some time tomorrow.
2260
01:48:35,673 --> 01:48:38,540
I have some people here now.
- Okay, well, how can I--
2261
01:48:38,676 --> 01:48:40,041
Pardon me?
- Hold the phone.
2262
01:48:40,178 --> 01:48:41,770
- Okay, thank you.
- Okay.
2263
01:48:41,913 --> 01:48:44,541
I can give you a little time
tomorrow morning.
2264
01:48:44,682 --> 01:48:46,547
I think that's Thursday.
- Yes.
2265
01:48:46,684 --> 01:48:49,050
- Let's say 8:30.
- Eight-thirty in the morning?
2266
01:48:49,187 --> 01:48:51,052
- Yeah. Okay?
- Okay. And just come here?
2267
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:53,851
- Yes.
- Okay, good.
2268
01:48:57,161 --> 01:48:59,061
- Hello?
2269
01:48:59,197 --> 01:49:01,563
- Hi. It's Michael Moore here
to see Charlton Heston.
2270
01:49:01,699 --> 01:49:03,599
- Okay.
2271
01:49:23,221 --> 01:49:25,621
- Hi. Good morning.
2272
01:49:30,728 --> 01:49:33,094
How are you?
- Fine.
2273
01:49:33,231 --> 01:49:35,495
- Thank you very much
for agreeing to see me.
2274
01:49:43,741 --> 01:49:46,107
He took me out
to his pool-and-tennis house
2275
01:49:46,244 --> 01:49:48,109
so we could have a chat.
2276
01:49:48,246 --> 01:49:51,181
I told him that I was
a lifetime member of the NRA
2277
01:49:51,316 --> 01:49:53,443
and showed him
my membership card.
2278
01:49:53,585 --> 01:49:55,382
- Good for you. Well done.
2279
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:57,385
- I assume you have guns
in the house here?
2280
01:49:57,522 --> 01:50:00,616
- Indeed I do.
Bad guys take notice!
2281
01:50:00,758 --> 01:50:02,623
- So you have them
for protection?
2282
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:04,625
- Yeah. Sure.
- Have you ever been
2283
01:50:04,762 --> 01:50:06,627
a victim of crime?
- No. No.
2284
01:50:06,764 --> 01:50:10,530
- Never been assaulted or...?
- No.
2285
01:50:10,668 --> 01:50:13,466
- No violence toward you,
but you have guns in the house.
2286
01:50:13,605 --> 01:50:15,573
- Loaded.
- They're loaded?
2287
01:50:15,707 --> 01:50:18,073
- Well, if you really needed
a weapon for self-defence,
2288
01:50:18,209 --> 01:50:20,074
you need it loaded.
- Okay, but why...
2289
01:50:20,211 --> 01:50:22,076
why do you need it for
self-defence? Because--
2290
01:50:22,213 --> 01:50:24,078
- I don't.
- Yeah, you've never been
2291
01:50:24,215 --> 01:50:26,080
a victim of crime,
you haven't been assaulted.
2292
01:50:26,217 --> 01:50:28,082
- No, that's true.
- You haven't been, you know...
2293
01:50:28,219 --> 01:50:31,586
Why would you... So why not...
Why don't you unload the gun?
2294
01:50:31,723 --> 01:50:35,090
- Because the second amendment
gives me the right
2295
01:50:35,226 --> 01:50:37,091
to have it loaded.
- I agree.
2296
01:50:37,228 --> 01:50:39,594
I totally agree with that.
I'm just saying... I mean,
2297
01:50:39,731 --> 01:50:41,096
the second amendment gives me--
2298
01:50:41,232 --> 01:50:43,097
- Let's say it's
a comfort factor.
2299
01:50:43,234 --> 01:50:46,101
- It gives you comfort to know
that there's a loaded gun.
2300
01:50:46,237 --> 01:50:47,602
- Yeah.
2301
01:50:47,739 --> 01:50:50,606
- Comfort meaning that it allows
you to relax and feel safe?
2302
01:50:50,742 --> 01:50:52,607
- Not worry about it.
- Not worry, not be afraid.
2303
01:50:52,744 --> 01:50:54,541
- And I'm not really, but, uh...
2304
01:50:54,679 --> 01:50:59,116
I'm exercising one of the rights
passed on down to me
2305
01:50:59,250 --> 01:51:02,117
from those wise, old, dead white
guys that invented this country.
2306
01:51:02,253 --> 01:51:05,222
If it was good enough for them,
it's good enough for me.
2307
01:51:05,356 --> 01:51:07,017
- But you could still
exercise the right,
2308
01:51:07,158 --> 01:51:09,592
just by having a gun unloaded
and locked away somewhere.
2309
01:51:09,727 --> 01:51:10,887
- I choose to have it.
2310
01:51:11,029 --> 01:51:13,554
- What sort of strikes me
as interesting is that,
2311
01:51:13,698 --> 01:51:16,565
in other countries, where
they don't have the murder rate,
2312
01:51:16,701 --> 01:51:18,566
the gun-murder rate
that we have, that, uh...
2313
01:51:18,703 --> 01:51:20,568
many people say,
2314
01:51:20,705 --> 01:51:22,570
"Well, that's because
they don't have guns around.
2315
01:51:22,707 --> 01:51:25,574
It's hard to get a gun in
Britain or Germany or whatever."
2316
01:51:25,710 --> 01:51:29,578
But we went to Canada and
there's seven million guns
2317
01:51:29,714 --> 01:51:31,705
in 10-million homes.
- There won't be very long.
2318
01:51:31,849 --> 01:51:33,373
- But hear me out, though.
- Okay.
2319
01:51:33,518 --> 01:51:35,076
- Canada is a nation of hunters,
2320
01:51:35,219 --> 01:51:37,084
millions of guns,
2321
01:51:37,221 --> 01:51:40,088
and yet, they had just
a few murders last year.
2322
01:51:40,224 --> 01:51:42,089
That's it. A country
of 30-million people.
2323
01:51:42,226 --> 01:51:45,093
Now, why - here's my question -
why is it that...
2324
01:51:45,229 --> 01:51:47,220
that they've got all these guns
laying around,
2325
01:51:47,365 --> 01:51:49,230
yet they don't kill each other
2326
01:51:49,367 --> 01:51:51,232
at the level that
we kill each other?
2327
01:51:51,369 --> 01:51:53,599
- I think American history is...
2328
01:51:53,738 --> 01:51:56,104
uh... has a lot of blood
2329
01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:58,105
on its hands.
- And Germany history doesn't?
2330
01:51:58,242 --> 01:52:00,107
- No.
- And British history?
2331
01:52:00,244 --> 01:52:02,610
- I don't think as much.
- Oh, are you...
2332
01:52:02,747 --> 01:52:05,113
Germans don't have as much,
blood on their hands?
2333
01:52:05,249 --> 01:52:07,615
- Uh, they do, yes.
- The Brits, they ruled the world
2334
01:52:07,752 --> 01:52:10,118
for 300 years
at the barrel of a gun.
2335
01:52:10,254 --> 01:52:13,553
They're all violent people. They
have bad guys, they have crime,
2336
01:52:13,691 --> 01:52:16,057
they have lots of guns--
2337
01:52:16,194 --> 01:52:20,062
- Well, it's an interesting
point, which can be explored
2338
01:52:20,198 --> 01:52:23,565
and you're good to explore it
at great lengths,
2339
01:52:23,701 --> 01:52:26,568
but I think that's about all
I have to say on it.
2340
01:52:26,704 --> 01:52:29,571
- You don't have any opinion,
though, as to why that is,
2341
01:52:29,707 --> 01:52:31,572
that we are the unique country,
the only country,
2342
01:52:31,709 --> 01:52:34,576
that does this, that kills each
other on this level, with guns?
2343
01:52:34,712 --> 01:52:38,580
- Well, we have, probably,
more mixed ethnicity
2344
01:52:38,716 --> 01:52:42,083
than other countries,
some other countries.
2345
01:52:42,220 --> 01:52:44,085
- You think it's an ethnic thing?
2346
01:52:44,222 --> 01:52:46,087
- No, I don't. It's...
2347
01:52:46,224 --> 01:52:48,089
I wouldn't go so far
as to say that.
2348
01:52:48,226 --> 01:52:51,593
We had enough problems with
civil rights in the beginning.
2349
01:52:51,729 --> 01:52:55,597
It's... But, uh, I have
no answer for that.
2350
01:52:55,733 --> 01:52:58,099
- What do you mean, you think
it's a mixed ethnicity?
2351
01:52:58,236 --> 01:53:00,101
I don't understand.
2352
01:53:00,238 --> 01:53:02,103
- You said, "How is it that..."
- That we're unique.
2353
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:06,108
- "So many Americans
kill each other?"
2354
01:53:06,244 --> 01:53:08,508
I don't know that that's true,
but, uh...
2355
01:53:08,646 --> 01:53:10,011
- Well, no, you know that.
2356
01:53:10,148 --> 01:53:13,049
We know we have the highest
murder rate with guns.
2357
01:53:13,184 --> 01:53:15,049
It's way higher
than any other country.
2358
01:53:15,186 --> 01:53:18,553
- The only answer I can give you
is the one I already gave you.
2359
01:53:18,689 --> 01:53:21,556
- Which is?
- Which is that we have, uh...
2360
01:53:21,692 --> 01:53:24,559
- Historically--
- ...a history of violence.
2361
01:53:24,695 --> 01:53:28,062
Perhaps more than most
countries. Not more than Russia,
2362
01:53:28,199 --> 01:53:31,066
not more than Japan or China--
- Not more than Germany.
2363
01:53:31,202 --> 01:53:35,696
- Not more than Germany,
but certainly more than Canada.
2364
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:38,570
- I come from Flint, Michigan,
and last year,
2365
01:53:38,709 --> 01:53:41,576
a little six-year-old boy
took a gun into a classroom
2366
01:53:41,712 --> 01:53:44,681
and shot and killed a
six-year-old girl. And, uh...
2367
01:53:44,816 --> 01:53:47,011
it was really a tragic thing--
2368
01:53:47,151 --> 01:53:50,120
- This was a kid, though.
- A six-year-old, yeah.
2369
01:53:50,254 --> 01:53:51,687
Did you hear about this?
2370
01:53:51,823 --> 01:53:54,485
A six-year-old shooting
a six-year-old?
2371
01:53:54,625 --> 01:53:56,058
- Yeah.
- Well, here's my question.
2372
01:53:56,194 --> 01:53:57,092
After that happened,
2373
01:53:57,228 --> 01:53:59,093
you came to Flint
and held a big rally.
2374
01:53:59,230 --> 01:54:00,595
- Mm-hm.
2375
01:54:00,731 --> 01:54:03,097
- And, you know, I just--
2376
01:54:03,234 --> 01:54:05,600
- So did the vice-president.
2377
01:54:05,736 --> 01:54:08,603
- Yeah, but did you feel it was
being at all insensitive
2378
01:54:08,739 --> 01:54:11,105
to the fact that this community
had just gone through--
2379
01:54:11,242 --> 01:54:14,040
- Actually, I wasn't aware
of that at the time we came.
2380
01:54:14,178 --> 01:54:17,545
We came and did an
early-morning, uh... rally,
2381
01:54:17,682 --> 01:54:19,547
then went on to wherever
we were going.
2382
01:54:19,684 --> 01:54:22,551
- You didn't know at the time,
that this killing had happened?
2383
01:54:22,687 --> 01:54:24,552
- No.
- Had you known, would you have--
2384
01:54:24,689 --> 01:54:26,554
- Would I have cancelled
the... uh...
2385
01:54:26,691 --> 01:54:28,556
- Yeah.
- I don't...
2386
01:54:28,693 --> 01:54:30,058
Hard to say.
2387
01:54:30,194 --> 01:54:32,059
- It wasn't like it was
already planned.
2388
01:54:32,196 --> 01:54:34,061
I mean, the choice to come there
was made
2389
01:54:34,198 --> 01:54:36,063
after this horrible
killing took place.
2390
01:54:36,200 --> 01:54:37,565
- Yeah. Mm-hm.
2391
01:54:37,702 --> 01:54:40,569
- You know, had you know that,
would you have come?
2392
01:54:40,705 --> 01:54:43,572
- I don't know. I have no idea.
2393
01:54:43,708 --> 01:54:45,699
- Maybe not. Maybe not.
- Okay. Thank you.
2394
01:54:45,843 --> 01:54:49,074
- You think you'd like to just
maybe apologize to the people
2395
01:54:49,213 --> 01:54:52,080
in Flint for coming and doing
that at that time, or...?
2396
01:54:52,216 --> 01:54:54,081
- You want me to apologize...
2397
01:54:54,218 --> 01:54:56,083
me, apologize to the people
in Flint?
2398
01:54:56,220 --> 01:54:58,120
- Or the people in Columbine
2399
01:54:58,256 --> 01:55:00,588
for coming after
their horrible tragedy.
2400
01:55:00,725 --> 01:55:03,091
Why do you go to the places
after they have
2401
01:55:03,227 --> 01:55:05,593
these horrible tragedies? I'm
a member of your group here--
2402
01:55:05,730 --> 01:55:08,597
- Well, I'm afraid
we don't agree on... on that.
2403
01:55:08,733 --> 01:55:11,099
- You think it's okay
to just come and show up
2404
01:55:11,235 --> 01:55:13,533
at these events.
- No.
2405
01:55:13,671 --> 01:55:15,571
- You don't think it's okay?
2406
01:55:26,584 --> 01:55:29,280
Mr. Heston, just one more thing.
2407
01:55:29,420 --> 01:55:31,285
This is who she is -
2408
01:55:31,422 --> 01:55:34,016
or was. This is her.
2409
01:55:34,158 --> 01:55:36,023
Mr. Heston, please don't leave.
2410
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:38,856
Mr. Heston, please,
take a look at her.
2411
01:55:38,996 --> 01:55:41,590
This is the girl.
2412
01:56:32,650 --> 01:56:36,051
I left the Heston estate
atop Beverly Hills
2413
01:56:36,187 --> 01:56:38,155
and walked back
into the real world,
2414
01:56:38,289 --> 01:56:41,520
an America living
and breathing in fear...
2415
01:56:41,659 --> 01:56:43,559
In your mind,
you imagine somebody
2416
01:56:43,694 --> 01:56:46,561
who might break into your house,
to harm you or your family.
2417
01:56:46,697 --> 01:56:50,064
What does that person look like?
2418
01:56:50,201 --> 01:56:53,034
- You. Her. Him.
The camera guy, anybody.
2419
01:56:53,170 --> 01:56:55,536
Could be a gun in the camera,
I don't know.
2420
01:56:55,673 --> 01:56:58,335
- Where gun sales were now
at an all-time high...
2421
01:56:58,476 --> 01:57:01,570
- Can shoot as fast as
Wesson semi-automatic.
2422
01:57:01,712 --> 01:57:03,680
- And where, in the end,
2423
01:57:03,814 --> 01:57:05,873
it all comes back to bowling
2424
01:57:06,017 --> 01:57:07,882
for Columbine.
2425
01:57:08,019 --> 01:57:10,544
- Three bowling-alley employees
shot to death Sunday night
2426
01:57:10,688 --> 01:57:12,087
at the AMF Broadway Lanes.
2427
01:57:12,223 --> 01:57:15,021
- There's nothing I really know.
I really don't know anything.
2428
01:57:15,159 --> 01:57:17,684
- Just that three people died.
- Right.
2429
01:57:17,828 --> 01:57:19,352
- In Littleton,
in a bowling alley.
2430
01:57:19,497 --> 01:57:21,055
I'm sorry.
2431
01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:26,465
Yes, it was a glorious time
to be an American.
2432
01:57:32,343 --> 01:57:36,040
"I see trees of green
2433
01:57:36,180 --> 01:57:38,546
"Red roses too
2434
01:57:38,682 --> 01:57:41,549
"I see them bloom
2435
01:57:41,685 --> 01:57:43,550
"For me and you
2436
01:57:43,687 --> 01:57:47,555
"And I think to myself
2437
01:57:47,691 --> 01:57:51,092
"What a wonderful world
2438
01:57:55,199 --> 01:57:58,566
"I see skies of blue
2439
01:57:58,702 --> 01:58:01,569
"And clouds of white
2440
01:58:01,705 --> 01:58:04,071
"The bright sunny day
2441
01:58:04,208 --> 01:58:06,574
"The dark sacred night
2442
01:58:06,710 --> 01:58:10,578
"And I think to myself
2443
01:58:10,714 --> 01:58:14,047
"What a wonderful world
2444
01:58:18,656 --> 01:58:20,521
"The colours of the rainbow
2445
01:58:20,658 --> 01:58:24,025
"All so pretty in the sky
2446
01:58:24,161 --> 01:58:26,527
"Are also on the faces
2447
01:58:26,664 --> 01:58:29,030
"Of the people walking by
2448
01:58:29,166 --> 01:58:32,033
"I see friends shakin' hands
2449
01:58:32,169 --> 01:58:35,536
"Sayin' How do you do
2450
01:58:35,673 --> 01:58:38,540
"They're really saying
2451
01:58:38,676 --> 01:58:40,541
"I love you
2452
01:58:40,678 --> 01:58:44,546
"I see babies cryin'
2453
01:58:44,682 --> 01:58:47,048
"I watch them grow
2454
01:58:47,184 --> 01:58:49,049
"They'll learn much more
2455
01:58:49,186 --> 01:58:52,053
"Than I'll ever know
2456
01:58:52,189 --> 01:58:56,057
"And I think to myself
2457
01:58:56,193 --> 01:58:59,594
"What a wonderful world
2458
01:59:03,701 --> 01:59:07,569
"And I think to myself
2459
01:59:07,705 --> 01:59:11,106
"What a wonderful world...
2460
01:59:20,718 --> 01:59:24,620
"And I say to myself
2461
01:59:28,726 --> 01:59:32,594
"What a wonderful
2462
01:59:32,730 --> 01:59:35,358
"World"
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