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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:07,041 --> 00:00:09,375 MAN IN FILM:I was speeding down the road on my motorbike, 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:09,458 --> 00:00:11,041 devil on horseback, way out of sight. 5 00:00:12,375 --> 00:00:13,875 Good evening, everyone. 6 00:00:13,958 --> 00:00:15,666 Tonight is the last of our series of... 7 00:00:22,458 --> 00:00:24,125 Having extra spending money 8 00:00:24,208 --> 00:00:26,791 for those special occasions can sometimes be a real problem. 9 00:00:26,875 --> 00:00:29,166 But I solved it with a part-time job at Burger Chef. 10 00:00:29,250 --> 00:00:31,250 At Burger Chef, they gave me a work schedule 11 00:00:31,333 --> 00:00:32,750 to fit the hours that I could work 12 00:00:32,833 --> 00:00:35,000 and they may be able to do it for you too. 13 00:00:35,083 --> 00:00:36,541 And it's fun to work at Burger Chef! 14 00:01:29,041 --> 00:01:30,125 Hey. 15 00:01:30,208 --> 00:01:31,833 Big Shef up! 16 00:01:31,916 --> 00:01:34,250 Welcome to Burger Chef. What can I get you? 17 00:01:42,208 --> 00:01:43,833 Yeah, everybody behind the counter, 18 00:01:43,916 --> 00:01:45,375 everything seemed normal. 19 00:01:45,458 --> 00:01:47,833 Just up there laughing and joking with them and... 20 00:01:47,916 --> 00:01:50,041 I mean, just like a typical Friday night at Burger Chef. 21 00:01:56,125 --> 00:01:59,500 It was, like, 11:30 or 12:00 and I knew they'd be closing up. 22 00:01:59,583 --> 00:02:02,125 I get over there to the Burger Chef and... 23 00:02:02,208 --> 00:02:03,458 ..I don't see nobody. 24 00:02:14,958 --> 00:02:16,083 Hey, Mama. 25 00:02:18,125 --> 00:02:20,125 Speedway Police thought this was just four kids 26 00:02:20,208 --> 00:02:21,541 who just, like, bailed 27 00:02:21,625 --> 00:02:23,125 and didn't wanna clean up after the night. 28 00:02:23,208 --> 00:02:24,458 So, of course, what'd they do? 29 00:02:24,541 --> 00:02:26,125 They washed down the restaurant 30 00:02:26,208 --> 00:02:28,208 and opened it up for breakfast the next morning. 31 00:02:31,625 --> 00:02:34,583 The Speedway Police, they fumbled and bumbled that case 32 00:02:34,666 --> 00:02:36,333 all the way to hell, man. 33 00:02:39,583 --> 00:02:41,875 If I had the ability of hindsight... 34 00:02:41,958 --> 00:02:43,333 And would I make different decisions? 35 00:02:43,416 --> 00:02:44,875 Absolutely. 36 00:02:44,958 --> 00:02:47,958 I can't do anything about what was done 40 years ago. 37 00:02:48,041 --> 00:02:50,291 Alright, bye-bye. I love you. 38 00:02:50,375 --> 00:02:51,833 Love you. 39 00:02:53,166 --> 00:02:54,291 I can stay. 40 00:02:55,958 --> 00:02:58,541 The fact that no-one has been held responsible 41 00:02:58,625 --> 00:03:00,541 burns a hole right through me. 42 00:03:04,500 --> 00:03:06,458 Usually when I start having nightmares, 43 00:03:06,541 --> 00:03:08,791 it's...it's getting colder 44 00:03:08,875 --> 00:03:11,333 and it's just my heart just sinks. 45 00:03:11,416 --> 00:03:14,166 And...and I remember that she's gone. 46 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:30,375 On November 17, 1978, 47 00:03:30,458 --> 00:03:33,083 four employees of the Burger Chef restaurant 48 00:03:33,166 --> 00:03:35,083 in Speedway, Indiana were abducted. 49 00:03:35,166 --> 00:03:37,833 Two days later, on Sunday afternoon, 50 00:03:37,916 --> 00:03:41,833 a person found their bodies in rural Johnson County, Indiana, 51 00:03:41,916 --> 00:03:43,125 where they had been murdered. 52 00:03:45,250 --> 00:03:47,291 Ruth and Danny were both shot 53 00:03:47,375 --> 00:03:50,208 face down, execution style. 54 00:03:50,291 --> 00:03:53,708 Jayne was stabbed twice in the chest. 55 00:03:53,791 --> 00:03:56,833 And then Mark was beaten. 56 00:03:56,916 --> 00:03:59,208 The bodies of Jayne C. Friedt, 57 00:03:59,291 --> 00:04:00,333 Mark Flemmonds, 58 00:04:00,416 --> 00:04:01,916 Daniel R. Davis 59 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,416 and Ruth E. Shelton 60 00:04:04,500 --> 00:04:06,333 have been discovered late this afternoon in Johnson County. 61 00:04:06,416 --> 00:04:08,583 REPORTER:The crime still remains unsolved... 62 00:04:08,666 --> 00:04:10,666 REPORTER:..just hours after closing time, 63 00:04:10,750 --> 00:04:12,958 four employees ages 16 to 20... 64 00:04:13,041 --> 00:04:14,666 They were found murdered 65 00:04:14,750 --> 00:04:16,125 a few days later in Johnson County. 66 00:04:16,208 --> 00:04:18,125 No-one has been charged with the crime. 67 00:04:18,208 --> 00:04:19,166 One of the most infamous crimes 68 00:04:19,250 --> 00:04:20,125 in state history. 69 00:04:21,666 --> 00:04:25,000 Somewhere, somebody knows what happened. 70 00:05:00,708 --> 00:05:01,833 Speedway's an interesting town 71 00:05:01,916 --> 00:05:03,666 because forever, it's been the home of 72 00:05:03,750 --> 00:05:05,541 the greatest spectacle in motor racing 73 00:05:05,625 --> 00:05:07,541 since, you know, 1912. 74 00:05:07,625 --> 00:05:09,166 And that was always the claim to fame. 75 00:05:09,250 --> 00:05:11,125 The town of Speedway, named after 76 00:05:11,208 --> 00:05:13,041 the Indianapolis 500 Motor Speedway. 77 00:05:16,250 --> 00:05:18,750 In the late 1970s, all of a sudden 78 00:05:18,833 --> 00:05:21,791 it was getting rocked by all this crime 79 00:05:21,875 --> 00:05:23,250 and all this attention that was coming to 80 00:05:23,333 --> 00:05:24,750 this sleepy little suburb. 81 00:05:32,083 --> 00:05:36,125 This was four young people who disappeared out of thin air 82 00:05:36,208 --> 00:05:39,041 and then to be found so brutally slain 83 00:05:39,125 --> 00:05:40,875 36 hours later 84 00:05:40,958 --> 00:05:42,708 just brought up all kinds of terror 85 00:05:42,791 --> 00:05:44,625 not only in the community as a whole 86 00:05:44,708 --> 00:05:47,416 but for every parent and every teenage kid out there 87 00:05:47,500 --> 00:05:48,833 who was making a few dollars 88 00:05:48,916 --> 00:05:50,791 working at a fast-food restaurant after school 89 00:05:50,875 --> 00:05:53,541 that this could happen to them. 90 00:05:53,625 --> 00:05:56,166 It is still seared into the minds of the people 91 00:05:56,250 --> 00:05:57,875 that the bogeyman's going to come get you. 92 00:05:57,958 --> 00:05:59,625 Well, in this case, the bogeyman came 93 00:05:59,708 --> 00:06:01,166 and took four children away - 94 00:06:01,250 --> 00:06:03,750 and 40 years later, we still don't have that solution. 95 00:06:06,875 --> 00:06:09,041 It put a lot of fear in everybody - 96 00:06:09,125 --> 00:06:10,541 the whole community, 97 00:06:10,625 --> 00:06:13,250 myself and my family. 98 00:06:15,333 --> 00:06:17,916 I am paranoid in my old age. 99 00:06:19,125 --> 00:06:21,666 Of course, my paranoia started 100 00:06:21,750 --> 00:06:23,541 at a young age 101 00:06:23,625 --> 00:06:27,083 with the Burger Chef murders. 102 00:06:27,166 --> 00:06:30,000 So I'm not a crazy old woman with guns. 103 00:06:30,083 --> 00:06:33,041 I have my guns for self-protection. 104 00:06:34,333 --> 00:06:36,708 Ruger .22, long barrel. 105 00:06:36,791 --> 00:06:39,958 They are all loaded. 106 00:06:40,041 --> 00:06:42,083 This is where I sit most of the time, 107 00:06:42,166 --> 00:06:45,166 so I definitely wanna have something in reach here. 108 00:06:45,250 --> 00:06:48,250 And this is my 9mm. 109 00:06:48,333 --> 00:06:52,208 This is my curly-hair tarantula. 110 00:06:52,291 --> 00:06:54,291 His name is Chewy. 111 00:06:54,375 --> 00:06:55,416 Get him! 112 00:06:56,708 --> 00:06:57,666 It was a... 113 00:06:59,458 --> 00:07:01,416 ..pretty terrifying experience. 114 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,541 My name's Todd McComas. 115 00:07:11,625 --> 00:07:14,333 I'm a retired detective with the Indiana State Police. 116 00:07:14,416 --> 00:07:17,666 I became a detective in 1998 117 00:07:17,750 --> 00:07:21,541 and I was assigned to the Indianapolis District, 118 00:07:21,625 --> 00:07:24,041 which is where this crime happened. 119 00:07:24,125 --> 00:07:27,833 This case is probably one of the saddest things 120 00:07:27,916 --> 00:07:29,541 I've ever seen in my career. 121 00:07:29,625 --> 00:07:30,916 You know, I'm a dad. 122 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,666 And you can just imagine 123 00:07:33,750 --> 00:07:36,375 what their parents and their family went through 124 00:07:36,458 --> 00:07:38,333 when they found out that news. 125 00:07:54,125 --> 00:07:56,416 I think Ruth wanted to be 18 126 00:07:56,500 --> 00:08:00,416 just because that 18 meant you were an adult. 127 00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:03,000 She was 30 days away from being 18 128 00:08:03,083 --> 00:08:04,875 when she was taken. 129 00:08:07,125 --> 00:08:09,125 Ruth was five years older than me. 130 00:08:09,208 --> 00:08:10,958 I looked up to her. 131 00:08:11,041 --> 00:08:15,708 I thought she was the perfect picture of a teenager. 132 00:08:15,791 --> 00:08:18,416 And that's the last memory I have of her. 133 00:08:24,333 --> 00:08:28,583 It was only maybe four or five black kids in the whole school, 134 00:08:28,666 --> 00:08:30,541 so we kind of stuck together. 135 00:08:30,625 --> 00:08:32,166 We rode to school together, 136 00:08:32,250 --> 00:08:33,625 we walked home from school together, 137 00:08:33,708 --> 00:08:35,375 we hung out together. 138 00:08:35,458 --> 00:08:37,875 So it was pretty devastating to me. 139 00:08:37,958 --> 00:08:39,875 It was just rough, man. 140 00:08:43,041 --> 00:08:44,416 Wait. Hold on, y'all, hold on. 141 00:08:44,500 --> 00:08:45,666 Shh, shh, shh. 142 00:08:45,750 --> 00:08:47,250 You hear that? 143 00:08:48,916 --> 00:08:50,875 That's the Galaxy calling out to me. 144 00:08:50,958 --> 00:08:52,041 "Mark, Mark." 145 00:08:52,125 --> 00:08:54,166 What's the Galaxy? 146 00:08:54,250 --> 00:08:56,166 It's the under-21 club across the street 147 00:08:56,250 --> 00:08:58,375 where all of Mark's imaginary girlfriends are. 148 00:08:58,458 --> 00:09:00,125 OK, Jayne. 149 00:09:00,208 --> 00:09:01,666 Honestly, nothing good happens there, Danny. 150 00:09:01,750 --> 00:09:03,041 You're not missing anything on anything. 151 00:09:03,125 --> 00:09:05,333 -Have you been? -I've heard all about it. 152 00:09:05,416 --> 00:09:07,083 Don't knock it till you try it. 153 00:09:08,541 --> 00:09:11,333 SONG:โ™ช I'll be lovin' you, girl... โ™ช 154 00:09:15,083 --> 00:09:18,708 Mark and I had planned to go to the Galaxy that night 155 00:09:18,791 --> 00:09:21,375 to play some games, listen to some music. 156 00:09:21,458 --> 00:09:24,750 You know, have some fun and come on back home. 157 00:09:24,833 --> 00:09:26,250 Once Mark get off work, 158 00:09:26,333 --> 00:09:29,041 I'mma meet him and we gonna walk back home because... 159 00:09:29,125 --> 00:09:31,291 ..black kids don't walk by themself 160 00:09:31,375 --> 00:09:34,666 in Speedway at night, you know? 161 00:09:34,750 --> 00:09:37,291 I'm just walking across the parking lot. It's dark. 162 00:09:37,375 --> 00:09:39,041 I don't see nobody. 163 00:09:39,125 --> 00:09:41,041 So I do what I normally do - 164 00:09:41,125 --> 00:09:43,166 I knock on the door, because they would let me in. 165 00:09:43,250 --> 00:09:44,625 No answer. 166 00:09:44,708 --> 00:09:48,583 Like, "Damn, I just saw y'all over here!" 167 00:09:48,666 --> 00:09:52,125 As I go towards the back of the building, 168 00:09:52,208 --> 00:09:54,000 I see the back door laying wide open. 169 00:09:54,083 --> 00:09:55,291 So I stop. 170 00:09:55,375 --> 00:09:57,625 I say, "They might be trying to scare me, 171 00:09:57,708 --> 00:09:59,000 "hiding behind the door." 172 00:09:59,083 --> 00:10:00,958 So I'm hollering in the building. 173 00:10:01,041 --> 00:10:03,666 "Mark, Mark, Mark! Jayne!" 174 00:10:03,750 --> 00:10:05,000 Nothing. 175 00:10:05,083 --> 00:10:06,833 Quiet as a mouse in there. 176 00:10:06,916 --> 00:10:09,791 I'm like, "Shit, I'm not going in there." 177 00:10:09,875 --> 00:10:12,833 So I just turn around and walk home. 178 00:10:18,083 --> 00:10:19,875 The cops get here about half an hour after 179 00:10:19,958 --> 00:10:21,583 someone comes and notices we're gone. 180 00:10:21,666 --> 00:10:23,125 The safe is open. 181 00:10:23,208 --> 00:10:26,791 $500 in notes are missing but not the coins. 182 00:10:26,875 --> 00:10:28,666 Our jackets are gone from the coat rack 183 00:10:28,750 --> 00:10:31,833 but my purse and Ruth's purse are still here. 184 00:10:31,916 --> 00:10:35,250 The cash drawers are on the floor and the back door is open. 185 00:10:35,333 --> 00:10:36,625 A crime scene, right? 186 00:10:36,708 --> 00:10:38,083 Not so fast. 187 00:10:39,666 --> 00:10:40,916 The Speedway Police Department 188 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,208 immediately dismissed this as 189 00:10:43,291 --> 00:10:45,083 "Ah, they're just being teenagers. 190 00:10:45,166 --> 00:10:46,958 "They probably went out to that under-21 club, 191 00:10:47,041 --> 00:10:48,541 "having a good time. 192 00:10:48,625 --> 00:10:51,333 "They'll be back. Why don't you go and shut the doors, lock up? 193 00:10:51,416 --> 00:10:54,250 "And you can open for business tomorrow." 194 00:10:57,583 --> 00:10:58,833 A couple days later, 195 00:10:58,916 --> 00:11:01,333 after they find our bodies in the woods, 196 00:11:01,416 --> 00:11:05,000 the police come back and re-stage the crime scene. 197 00:11:05,083 --> 00:11:07,458 They take photos and say they were taken 198 00:11:07,541 --> 00:11:10,125 on the night we disappeared. 199 00:11:10,208 --> 00:11:12,500 I don't know if I'd characterise it as re-staging. 200 00:11:12,583 --> 00:11:15,708 I know that there was an attempt to pass off photographs 201 00:11:15,791 --> 00:11:18,000 as if they were actual crime-scene photos. 202 00:11:20,166 --> 00:11:22,916 I worked the Burger Chef case for the... 203 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,208 ..better part of 21 years - 204 00:11:26,291 --> 00:11:30,833 continuously from 1981 through '86 205 00:11:30,916 --> 00:11:33,666 and then I still had my hand in it 206 00:11:33,750 --> 00:11:37,166 from '86 through '99 when I retired from the department. 207 00:11:37,250 --> 00:11:40,041 It became common knowledge amongst all the investigators 208 00:11:40,125 --> 00:11:42,875 that the crime scene at the restaurant, 209 00:11:42,958 --> 00:11:45,666 the Burger Chef, wasn't... wasn't handled properly. 210 00:11:45,750 --> 00:11:47,541 Four people missing. 211 00:11:47,625 --> 00:11:49,083 An apparent robbery. 212 00:11:49,166 --> 00:11:52,583 There should have been pictures, fingerprints. 213 00:11:52,666 --> 00:11:54,916 People should have been interviewed - 214 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,916 witnesses and so forth - 215 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,458 and I don't believe much was done. 216 00:12:01,041 --> 00:12:02,583 The part of this case that 217 00:12:02,666 --> 00:12:04,125 I'm probably the most familiar with 218 00:12:04,208 --> 00:12:06,750 is the crime-scene photos. 219 00:12:06,833 --> 00:12:08,291 When you look at Ruth, 220 00:12:08,375 --> 00:12:09,916 the first shot 221 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,750 entered the side of her neck from the back 222 00:12:12,833 --> 00:12:14,666 and exited the front. 223 00:12:14,750 --> 00:12:16,625 You see that in Danny as well. 224 00:12:16,708 --> 00:12:20,041 The first shots went through his trapezoid from the back 225 00:12:20,125 --> 00:12:21,500 and then exited the front. 226 00:12:21,583 --> 00:12:24,083 Then the killer approaches Ruth, 227 00:12:24,166 --> 00:12:26,250 puts the gun to the back of her head 228 00:12:26,333 --> 00:12:28,125 and ends it. 229 00:12:28,208 --> 00:12:30,333 And Danny literally is touching shoulders, 230 00:12:30,416 --> 00:12:31,958 he's that close to Ruth. 231 00:12:32,041 --> 00:12:35,916 Turns toward Danny sideways and puts two shots, 232 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,541 one in the side of his neck and one into his jaw. 233 00:12:39,625 --> 00:12:41,833 And those ended his life. 234 00:12:41,916 --> 00:12:43,500 When the shots rang out, 235 00:12:43,583 --> 00:12:46,208 Jayne and Mark bolt. 236 00:12:47,875 --> 00:12:49,791 Someone grabbed Jayne from behind, 237 00:12:49,875 --> 00:12:52,125 reached over and stabbed her 238 00:12:52,208 --> 00:12:53,416 twice in the chest. 239 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:55,333 And on that second blow, 240 00:12:55,416 --> 00:12:56,833 probably as they went to the ground, 241 00:12:56,916 --> 00:12:58,375 it broke off. 242 00:12:58,458 --> 00:13:00,791 They never found the handle, 243 00:13:00,875 --> 00:13:02,416 but the blade was left in her chest. 244 00:13:04,708 --> 00:13:08,416 So Mark was found at the base of a tree 245 00:13:08,500 --> 00:13:10,125 on his back, 246 00:13:10,208 --> 00:13:14,416 and his hands were like this above his head. 247 00:13:14,500 --> 00:13:16,291 And he was positioned 248 00:13:16,375 --> 00:13:18,708 on a decline. 249 00:13:18,791 --> 00:13:21,000 Now, the injuries that he received 250 00:13:21,083 --> 00:13:24,250 were all through this area of his face 251 00:13:24,333 --> 00:13:26,375 and it looked to me 252 00:13:26,458 --> 00:13:30,250 as if it was almost one single blow. 253 00:13:30,333 --> 00:13:32,833 He dropped right where he stood. 254 00:13:32,916 --> 00:13:35,041 He choked on his own blood. 255 00:13:35,125 --> 00:13:36,500 Asphyxiated. 256 00:13:36,583 --> 00:13:39,333 He died from a broken nose. 257 00:13:39,416 --> 00:13:40,750 I think... 258 00:13:40,833 --> 00:13:42,958 ..Mark hit that tree. 259 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,166 These aren't just victims. 260 00:13:47,250 --> 00:13:49,208 That was my sister. 261 00:13:50,333 --> 00:13:51,750 These are real people 262 00:13:51,833 --> 00:13:53,708 with real families, 263 00:13:53,791 --> 00:13:55,875 with real friends, 264 00:13:55,958 --> 00:13:58,083 that deserve justice. 265 00:13:59,166 --> 00:14:01,375 Well, I'm chasing answers. 266 00:14:01,458 --> 00:14:03,458 I'm chasing answers for Theresa 267 00:14:03,541 --> 00:14:05,250 and for the family members. 268 00:14:05,333 --> 00:14:06,875 They deserve closure. 269 00:14:09,500 --> 00:14:11,375 All these theories are out there 270 00:14:11,458 --> 00:14:13,333 and at one time had validity. 271 00:14:13,416 --> 00:14:15,000 But the reason they all exist 272 00:14:15,083 --> 00:14:17,041 is there was a lot of crazy shit 273 00:14:17,125 --> 00:14:20,000 going on in Indianapolis in 1978. 274 00:14:20,083 --> 00:14:23,166 And when you look at them individually, 275 00:14:23,250 --> 00:14:27,541 they fell in comparison to this most famous unsolved case. 276 00:14:27,625 --> 00:14:31,041 So whenever something bad happened to anybody 277 00:14:31,125 --> 00:14:34,291 or anyone threw away a gun in somebody's yard 278 00:14:34,375 --> 00:14:37,875 or anyone came home with blood on 'em around that time, 279 00:14:37,958 --> 00:14:41,208 people wanted to connect that to the Burger Chef murders. 280 00:15:04,708 --> 00:15:06,208 Hey, Mama? 281 00:15:06,291 --> 00:15:08,916 I was just wondering if I could stay back to help close. 282 00:15:10,875 --> 00:15:12,375 But they need my help here. 283 00:15:12,458 --> 00:15:13,875 Please. 284 00:15:16,208 --> 00:15:17,583 I know, I know. Um... 285 00:15:19,833 --> 00:15:21,875 Alright. 'Bye, Mama. I love you. 286 00:15:24,125 --> 00:15:25,333 I can stay. 287 00:15:25,416 --> 00:15:26,833 Right on! 288 00:15:31,458 --> 00:15:34,833 I think the answer is right in our face 289 00:15:34,916 --> 00:15:37,083 and that's what burns me up the most. 290 00:15:37,166 --> 00:15:40,416 There was a crew of five guys interchangeably 291 00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:42,500 that were robbing all the Burger Chefs 292 00:15:42,583 --> 00:15:44,958 up to three weeks before this one happened. 293 00:15:48,250 --> 00:15:51,416 I am 99.9% convinced 294 00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:54,083 that the original investigators 295 00:15:54,166 --> 00:15:55,750 had the right theory. 296 00:15:55,833 --> 00:15:57,291 The robbery crew. 297 00:15:58,333 --> 00:16:00,791 That that crew are responsible. 298 00:16:06,458 --> 00:16:08,083 One of the more prominent theories - 299 00:16:08,166 --> 00:16:09,750 even though robbery was pretty prominent 300 00:16:09,833 --> 00:16:11,416 in Indianapolis at the time, 301 00:16:11,500 --> 00:16:13,666 is a specific group from Johnson County. 302 00:16:13,750 --> 00:16:15,791 It was a group of 4-5 guys - they kinda 303 00:16:15,875 --> 00:16:17,875 rotated out which ones were involved at any given time - 304 00:16:17,958 --> 00:16:20,625 that would rob Burger Chefs and Kentucky Fried Chickens. 305 00:16:20,708 --> 00:16:23,875 Had a MO similar to kind of what is theorised happened 306 00:16:23,958 --> 00:16:25,333 at the Speedway Burger Chef that night. 307 00:16:31,125 --> 00:16:34,166 I got off work at the Dunkin' Donuts early that night, 308 00:16:34,250 --> 00:16:36,500 somewhere around 11:00, 309 00:16:36,583 --> 00:16:38,125 and I had a little time 310 00:16:38,208 --> 00:16:40,291 before my dad was gonna come pick me up. 311 00:16:40,375 --> 00:16:42,458 So I called George to come up there. 312 00:16:42,541 --> 00:16:45,583 We dated...a year and a half? 313 00:16:45,666 --> 00:16:47,250 -Yeah. -Close to two years. 314 00:16:47,333 --> 00:16:48,375 Right. 315 00:16:48,458 --> 00:16:52,833 Had a lot of wild and crazy times. 316 00:16:52,916 --> 00:16:55,666 We were gonna smoke a joint and drink a little bit. 317 00:16:55,750 --> 00:16:58,791 We needed matches to light the joint. 318 00:17:00,208 --> 00:17:02,500 I looked over at the back of the place. 319 00:17:02,583 --> 00:17:04,666 The back door was cracked a little bit. 320 00:17:04,750 --> 00:17:07,083 And I went to the door and it was open. 321 00:17:07,166 --> 00:17:08,666 Well, I went in. 322 00:17:08,750 --> 00:17:10,875 Just one person that came up 323 00:17:10,958 --> 00:17:12,416 and they gave me the pack of matches. 324 00:17:14,583 --> 00:17:18,125 George Nichols was the last person to see any of them 325 00:17:18,208 --> 00:17:19,875 before they were taken. 326 00:17:21,708 --> 00:17:23,500 The robbery crew would 327 00:17:23,583 --> 00:17:25,791 park their car some distance away, 328 00:17:25,875 --> 00:17:28,041 then they would approach the restaurant 329 00:17:28,125 --> 00:17:30,208 or the target location on foot. 330 00:17:31,333 --> 00:17:32,791 You know, we lit up 331 00:17:32,875 --> 00:17:34,875 and that's when them two guys came down. 332 00:17:34,958 --> 00:17:36,666 I thought they smelled it. 333 00:17:36,750 --> 00:17:38,500 That's why I... 334 00:17:38,583 --> 00:17:41,375 That's kinda what freaked me out about them. 335 00:17:41,458 --> 00:17:44,333 I remember hearing somebody clear their throat 336 00:17:44,416 --> 00:17:48,500 and when I looked up, one of 'em spoke and said, 337 00:17:48,583 --> 00:17:50,791 "You kids need to get out of here 338 00:17:50,875 --> 00:17:53,875 "because there's been a lot of vandalism going on." 339 00:17:53,958 --> 00:17:57,625 I thought we were gonna go to jail, actually, at that point. 340 00:17:57,708 --> 00:18:00,875 I went back inside to wait for my dad. 341 00:18:00,958 --> 00:18:02,416 -And you walked home. -Yeah. 342 00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:05,125 The one that did not speak 343 00:18:05,208 --> 00:18:07,250 was tall. 344 00:18:07,333 --> 00:18:09,833 I'd say 6' to 6'2". 345 00:18:09,916 --> 00:18:12,250 Clean-shaven. 346 00:18:12,333 --> 00:18:16,916 The other man was shorter, maybe 5'8"-ish. 347 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,375 He had a beard. 348 00:18:18,458 --> 00:18:20,083 Scruffy-looking. 349 00:18:20,166 --> 00:18:22,250 The sketches became known as 350 00:18:22,333 --> 00:18:25,458 the Clean-Shaven Man and the Bearded Man. 351 00:18:26,750 --> 00:18:28,833 And they took it a step further 352 00:18:28,916 --> 00:18:31,041 and did the clay busts. 353 00:18:36,125 --> 00:18:37,916 Tomorrow, police are expected to release 354 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,041 two three-dimensional busts of the men in the composites 355 00:18:41,125 --> 00:18:43,041 hoping this will give a better indication 356 00:18:43,125 --> 00:18:44,500 of what they look like. 357 00:18:44,583 --> 00:18:47,208 Since the two haven't come forward, 358 00:18:47,291 --> 00:18:51,541 police are more convinced thanever that these are the killers. 359 00:18:51,625 --> 00:18:55,875 Based on this young man and young woman's description, 360 00:18:55,958 --> 00:18:59,250 a couple of these members of the robbery crew. 361 00:18:59,333 --> 00:19:04,666 S.W. Wilkins looks very much like the Bearded Man's composite 362 00:19:04,750 --> 00:19:06,833 and Gregg Steinke looked very much like 363 00:19:06,916 --> 00:19:08,708 the Clean-Shaven Man's composite. 364 00:19:08,791 --> 00:19:10,458 Almost eerily so. 365 00:19:13,291 --> 00:19:14,791 S.W. Wilkins 366 00:19:14,875 --> 00:19:18,666 did case that particular Burger Chef 367 00:19:18,750 --> 00:19:20,458 three different times 368 00:19:20,541 --> 00:19:22,708 prior to it getting robbed. 369 00:19:24,541 --> 00:19:26,041 He was a bad guy. 370 00:19:26,125 --> 00:19:30,083 I mean, he committed a butt-ton of robberies, armed robberies, 371 00:19:30,166 --> 00:19:32,791 where he put people in fear for a very long time. 372 00:19:34,375 --> 00:19:36,833 These guys robbed all kinds of other places, 373 00:19:36,916 --> 00:19:38,250 including Burger Chefs, 374 00:19:38,333 --> 00:19:40,166 but no-one ever got murdered. 375 00:19:40,250 --> 00:19:42,875 So why did these four kids 376 00:19:42,958 --> 00:19:45,500 get taken 25, 30 minutes away 377 00:19:45,583 --> 00:19:48,208 out into rural Johnson County 378 00:19:48,291 --> 00:19:51,000 and executed in the woods? 379 00:19:52,625 --> 00:19:54,291 S.W. Wilkins 380 00:19:54,375 --> 00:19:57,000 worked at a railway in Avon, Indiana. 381 00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:04,750 Jayne Friedt did at one time work at that Burger Chef 382 00:20:04,833 --> 00:20:06,375 in Avon, Indiana. 383 00:20:09,833 --> 00:20:11,916 It's quite likely he went there. 384 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,916 Maybe she recognised him 385 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,333 and that made things turn for the worse. 386 00:20:25,333 --> 00:20:27,541 The problem here is that the entire case against these guys 387 00:20:27,625 --> 00:20:28,833 is circumstantial. 388 00:20:28,916 --> 00:20:30,583 I don't even know that guy. 389 00:20:30,666 --> 00:20:33,541 The police say the only reason he even recognised you 390 00:20:33,625 --> 00:20:35,375 is because he worked close to where you worked 391 00:20:35,458 --> 00:20:37,291 and probably, maybe, might have 392 00:20:37,375 --> 00:20:39,208 got a sandwich from there from time to time. 393 00:20:39,291 --> 00:20:41,958 So these guys arrive on foot. 394 00:20:42,041 --> 00:20:45,083 One of them recognises me, then what? They have to kill us all? 395 00:20:45,166 --> 00:20:46,500 And then what? 396 00:20:46,583 --> 00:20:50,125 They have to get us 30 miles away to Johnson County. 397 00:20:50,208 --> 00:20:52,375 If you're an experienced criminal 398 00:20:52,458 --> 00:20:54,666 and you're gonna have to 399 00:20:54,750 --> 00:20:56,750 take some kids against their will, 400 00:20:56,833 --> 00:21:00,000 you're probably gonna go to an area you're familiar with. 401 00:21:00,083 --> 00:21:01,708 Just so happens 402 00:21:01,791 --> 00:21:05,583 S.W. Wilkins and Gregg Steinke lived 403 00:21:05,666 --> 00:21:08,291 literally just within minutes 404 00:21:08,375 --> 00:21:10,333 of where those murders happened. 405 00:21:10,416 --> 00:21:12,875 They lived in Johnson County, Indiana. 406 00:21:12,958 --> 00:21:16,666 I'll tell you this - you don't find that spot by accident. 407 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,208 Get the Fun Village. 408 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,166 This is one of the biggest mysteries in this case. 409 00:21:29,916 --> 00:21:32,250 They take my car from the restaurant here... 410 00:21:35,583 --> 00:21:37,333 ..presumably to where they left their car 411 00:21:37,416 --> 00:21:40,083 right by the Speedway Police Station. 412 00:21:40,166 --> 00:21:42,291 That's a 25-minute walk. 413 00:21:42,375 --> 00:21:43,833 And either they take one person 414 00:21:43,916 --> 00:21:48,000 in my car to a waiting van and bring that van back... 415 00:21:48,083 --> 00:21:50,500 ..or, like some people say, we all get in my car. 416 00:21:50,583 --> 00:21:54,250 So two, maybe three fully-grown men and four kids? 417 00:21:54,333 --> 00:21:55,875 You got a clown car? 418 00:21:58,333 --> 00:22:00,541 It was very common for the robbery crew 419 00:22:00,625 --> 00:22:03,375 to steal an employee's car 420 00:22:03,458 --> 00:22:07,041 to drive back to where their getaway car was. 421 00:22:07,125 --> 00:22:10,083 And then they would leave the employee car there 422 00:22:10,166 --> 00:22:13,500 and drive off in their car. 423 00:22:13,583 --> 00:22:16,916 The mystery of it is how does her car end up over by the park 424 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,583 which is just across the street 425 00:22:18,666 --> 00:22:20,583 from the Speedway Police Department? 426 00:22:20,666 --> 00:22:23,083 If you're gonna dump a car, why are you gonna dump it 427 00:22:23,166 --> 00:22:25,916 across the street from the Police Department? 428 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,375 The key was in my pocket when they found me. 429 00:22:28,458 --> 00:22:31,208 The driver's side was locked. I always locked my doors. 430 00:22:31,291 --> 00:22:34,208 Passenger side was open, though. 431 00:22:34,291 --> 00:22:37,250 We do know that her keys were found in her pocket 432 00:22:37,333 --> 00:22:38,625 at the crime scene 433 00:22:38,708 --> 00:22:40,916 when she was found dead with the others. 434 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,708 So at some point, 435 00:22:42,791 --> 00:22:44,791 those keys were returned to her. 436 00:22:44,875 --> 00:22:47,625 Look, the cops' whole case on this is 437 00:22:47,708 --> 00:22:49,958 there were guys robbing restaurants in the area, 438 00:22:50,041 --> 00:22:51,583 so they must have done it. 439 00:22:51,666 --> 00:22:53,416 So where's the evidence? 440 00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:56,791 It's just frustrating that we didn't have all that. 441 00:22:56,875 --> 00:23:00,041 As far as a case, you can have all the leads, 442 00:23:00,125 --> 00:23:02,708 but if you don't have the evidence to prove it, 443 00:23:02,791 --> 00:23:05,166 you're...you're just stuck. 444 00:23:06,708 --> 00:23:08,041 Yep. 445 00:23:08,125 --> 00:23:09,041 Here we go. 446 00:24:23,875 --> 00:24:25,333 Hey, Mama. 447 00:24:25,416 --> 00:24:27,375 I've gotta stay back. We're short. 448 00:24:27,458 --> 00:24:29,333 Someone didn't come in. 449 00:24:29,416 --> 00:24:32,041 I know. OK, Mama. 450 00:24:32,125 --> 00:24:34,291 OK, thanks. 451 00:24:37,333 --> 00:24:38,958 I can stay. 452 00:24:39,041 --> 00:24:40,166 Right on! 453 00:24:44,458 --> 00:24:46,583 I think we had the right person 454 00:24:46,666 --> 00:24:49,166 and I was convinced enough 455 00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:51,750 that I felt that we had enough to proceed with prosecution 456 00:24:51,833 --> 00:24:53,333 and get a conviction 457 00:24:53,416 --> 00:24:54,958 on Don Forrester. 458 00:25:00,791 --> 00:25:02,125 You just take it easy now! 459 00:25:02,208 --> 00:25:04,291 You see this? 460 00:25:04,375 --> 00:25:06,500 That says 'Assistant Manager'. 461 00:25:06,583 --> 00:25:08,041 That means I'm your boss. 462 00:25:08,125 --> 00:25:09,833 Well, you're very good at your job, Jayne. 463 00:25:09,916 --> 00:25:11,791 Um, excuse me, Jayne. 464 00:25:11,875 --> 00:25:14,625 Just to let you know, I have to be gone by 11:30. 465 00:25:14,708 --> 00:25:15,875 I know, buddy. 466 00:25:15,958 --> 00:25:18,125 We'll have you home in no time. 467 00:25:48,583 --> 00:25:52,125 I came into the Burger Chef investigation... 468 00:25:52,208 --> 00:25:55,291 ..um, in the mid-'80s. 469 00:25:55,375 --> 00:25:58,958 Originally we got the information from a jail snitch 470 00:25:59,041 --> 00:26:00,958 that wanted to talk to us 471 00:26:01,041 --> 00:26:03,333 about Don Forrester. 472 00:26:03,416 --> 00:26:07,083 Forrester was known to be a bad guy. 473 00:26:07,166 --> 00:26:09,500 We got a call from him here, 474 00:26:09,583 --> 00:26:12,750 that he wanted to talk to us, and then... 475 00:26:12,833 --> 00:26:15,250 ..said he had some things to say 476 00:26:15,333 --> 00:26:16,875 about the Burger Chef. 477 00:26:18,375 --> 00:26:19,875 He told us details 478 00:26:19,958 --> 00:26:21,708 about the murder scene 479 00:26:21,791 --> 00:26:24,541 and who was shot and how many times 480 00:26:24,625 --> 00:26:26,916 and who was laying next to each other. 481 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,125 Told us all that. 482 00:26:33,791 --> 00:26:35,083 Can you get that in? 483 00:26:35,166 --> 00:26:36,125 Yeah. 484 00:27:33,708 --> 00:27:36,333 This is the badge that Jayne left at my house 485 00:27:36,416 --> 00:27:38,833 the day she went to work on the day that she was murdered. 486 00:27:40,416 --> 00:27:42,666 We'd get either lovey-dovey 487 00:27:42,750 --> 00:27:44,333 or talk about the day and... 488 00:27:44,416 --> 00:27:46,333 "What are we gonna do this weekend?" type thing. 489 00:27:46,416 --> 00:27:48,375 But she remarked that day, 490 00:27:48,458 --> 00:27:50,958 "No, I just wanna sit on the couch and be close and hug." 491 00:27:51,041 --> 00:27:54,375 And I said, "OK, but, you know, is something going on?" 492 00:27:54,458 --> 00:27:56,166 "No, not really." 493 00:27:56,250 --> 00:27:57,541 I let it go. 494 00:27:57,625 --> 00:27:58,791 I didn't pursue it 495 00:27:58,875 --> 00:28:02,125 'cause time was short and we had to go to work. 496 00:28:02,208 --> 00:28:04,583 And then I spoke with her later on that night 497 00:28:04,666 --> 00:28:06,125 and things had turned around. 498 00:28:06,208 --> 00:28:07,833 She was upbeat. 499 00:28:07,916 --> 00:28:10,250 Maybe she was getting off work in a couple hours or something. 500 00:28:10,333 --> 00:28:11,208 I don't know. 501 00:28:11,291 --> 00:28:13,583 But now, as I look back, 502 00:28:13,666 --> 00:28:15,791 I wonder if something wasn't going down 503 00:28:15,875 --> 00:28:17,625 that she was worried about 504 00:28:17,708 --> 00:28:20,416 but she just wanted to be secure in some way 505 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:22,958 about just being close and holding each other. 506 00:28:23,041 --> 00:28:24,416 Maybe she was afraid of something. 507 00:28:27,166 --> 00:28:28,916 I called her 508 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,166 later on that evening 509 00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:34,333 and she said, "It's dead," 510 00:28:34,416 --> 00:28:37,166 which...those words haunt me to this day. 511 00:29:27,875 --> 00:29:29,541 Some of the contacts 512 00:29:29,625 --> 00:29:32,333 or people that Forrester had brought up to us was... 513 00:29:32,416 --> 00:29:34,000 ..Jayne Friedt's brother. 514 00:29:34,083 --> 00:29:35,375 Jimmy... 515 00:29:35,458 --> 00:29:37,625 I think he was in trouble a lot 516 00:29:37,708 --> 00:29:40,000 throughout his life. 517 00:29:40,083 --> 00:29:42,666 Don Forrester was aware of him and knew him. 518 00:29:42,750 --> 00:29:45,666 He was an enforcer for that drug gang, 519 00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:47,458 or whatever you want to call it. 520 00:29:48,625 --> 00:29:50,166 Hello? 521 00:29:50,250 --> 00:29:52,500 -Sorry. What can I get you? -That's alright. 522 00:29:52,583 --> 00:29:54,125 Hey, could I get a Big Shef? 523 00:29:54,208 --> 00:29:56,083 Of course. That'll be... 524 00:29:56,166 --> 00:29:58,416 -Please. -Sweet. Thank you. 525 00:30:15,416 --> 00:30:16,916 Blue? That's new. 526 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,916 I heard orange. 527 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,416 Well, we've heard a lot of things. 528 00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:23,083 I heard orange. 529 00:30:23,166 --> 00:30:25,541 So yellow with a primer red according to one witness. 530 00:30:25,625 --> 00:30:26,958 Chevy? 531 00:30:27,041 --> 00:30:28,500 It was a Ford. 532 00:30:28,583 --> 00:30:30,833 Snub-nosed Econoline. 533 00:30:30,916 --> 00:30:33,083 One guy even said it was a board van. 534 00:32:27,250 --> 00:32:28,541 Get inside! 535 00:32:29,833 --> 00:32:30,666 No! 536 00:32:34,666 --> 00:32:36,416 I was scheduled to work the 17th. 537 00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:38,166 Mark did like me a lot. 538 00:32:38,250 --> 00:32:40,041 There was another boy working there, 539 00:32:40,125 --> 00:32:41,250 his name was Brian, 540 00:32:41,333 --> 00:32:43,208 and he had asked me out on a date. 541 00:32:43,291 --> 00:32:45,916 So I called Mark and I said, "Hey, Mark, 542 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,125 "you know, Brian wants to take me out on Friday night. 543 00:32:48,208 --> 00:32:49,875 "Would you work in my place?" 544 00:32:49,958 --> 00:32:51,166 And Mark said, "Sure." 545 00:32:51,250 --> 00:32:54,250 Around 4:30, Mark called me 546 00:32:54,333 --> 00:32:56,291 and he told me that something had come up 547 00:32:56,375 --> 00:32:58,416 and he couldn't work for me. 548 00:32:58,500 --> 00:32:59,500 I said, you know what? 549 00:32:59,583 --> 00:33:01,375 Mark said that he was gonna work for me, 550 00:33:01,458 --> 00:33:02,708 so he's gonna work for me. 551 00:33:05,333 --> 00:33:07,750 Now, I did try to back out of Ginger's shift 552 00:33:07,833 --> 00:33:09,250 at the last minute 553 00:33:09,333 --> 00:33:12,041 and people assumed it was 'cause 554 00:33:12,125 --> 00:33:14,333 I knew the Burger Chef was gonna get hit 555 00:33:14,416 --> 00:33:15,916 and that my brother was involved. 556 00:33:19,291 --> 00:33:20,875 I just wanted to go to the Galaxy. 557 00:33:23,083 --> 00:33:25,000 REPORTER:Flemmonds's 16-year-old son Mark 558 00:33:25,083 --> 00:33:28,291 was the victim now believed to have forced the kidnapping 559 00:33:28,375 --> 00:33:30,375 by immediately fighting to protect another of the victims, 560 00:33:30,458 --> 00:33:31,541 Jayne Friedt. 561 00:33:31,625 --> 00:33:33,583 I heard it out of her own mouth. 562 00:33:33,666 --> 00:33:35,291 She said... 563 00:33:35,375 --> 00:33:37,500 I didn't pay too much attention. "Mark's my protection." 564 00:33:37,583 --> 00:33:39,541 Jayne Friedt said Mark was her protector? 565 00:33:39,625 --> 00:33:42,375 I heard her say it at the Burger Chef 566 00:33:42,458 --> 00:33:44,416 when I went there to get some hamburgers one time. 567 00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,291 What did she need protection from? 568 00:33:46,375 --> 00:33:47,625 Now, that's the point. 569 00:33:47,708 --> 00:33:49,833 I never even dreamed, you know? 570 00:33:49,916 --> 00:33:52,041 You don't think about anything like that. 571 00:33:52,125 --> 00:33:53,791 No, I didn't even think about it at the time. 572 00:33:53,875 --> 00:33:56,666 Friedt was the restaurant's assistant manager 573 00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:58,166 and detectives believe she may have had 574 00:33:58,250 --> 00:34:00,041 information about a drug debt 575 00:34:00,125 --> 00:34:01,583 the assailants had gone to the restaurant to collect. 576 00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:04,583 Later that evening, 577 00:34:04,666 --> 00:34:06,625 we drove by the Burger Chef 578 00:34:06,708 --> 00:34:08,416 and realised things weren't quite right. 579 00:34:10,041 --> 00:34:12,583 It was probably around midnight. 580 00:34:12,666 --> 00:34:14,958 And we were driving by. 581 00:34:15,041 --> 00:34:16,958 We see all the lights were on 582 00:34:17,041 --> 00:34:18,833 but Jayne's car was gone. 583 00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:41,083 Brian says, "Let's stop in and see what's going on." 584 00:34:41,166 --> 00:34:42,583 And I said, "I can't. 585 00:34:42,666 --> 00:34:45,250 "I gotta be home by midnight or my dad will freak out." 586 00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:47,416 So he dropped me off, 587 00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:49,916 and then Brian's the one that came back to Burger Chef 588 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,500 and realised that the back door was open 589 00:34:52,583 --> 00:34:55,791 and went in and saw things weren't...right. 590 00:34:55,875 --> 00:34:59,291 So then Brian called the manager. 591 00:34:59,375 --> 00:35:02,708 So then the manager called the police. 592 00:35:02,791 --> 00:35:06,000 It was unusual that Jayne... the manager's car being gone 593 00:35:06,083 --> 00:35:08,083 and the lights being on in the restaurant. 594 00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:46,208 We're gonna get through this, buddy, OK? 595 00:35:47,291 --> 00:35:48,583 God is watching over us 596 00:35:48,666 --> 00:35:50,625 and he won't let anything bad happen to us. 597 00:35:52,291 --> 00:35:54,500 I spoke to my mom just before. 598 00:35:56,250 --> 00:35:57,666 I asked her if I could 599 00:35:57,750 --> 00:36:00,291 stay back and help close. 600 00:36:00,375 --> 00:36:01,791 So if something bad happens to me, Ruth... 601 00:36:01,875 --> 00:36:03,166 It's OK. It's OK. 602 00:36:03,250 --> 00:36:04,708 ..they'll think it's their fault. 603 00:36:04,791 --> 00:36:06,208 It'll be OK, Danny, you'll be back with your mama 604 00:36:06,291 --> 00:36:07,708 again in no time, OK? 605 00:36:07,791 --> 00:36:10,250 This'll all just be like a bad dream. 606 00:37:32,708 --> 00:37:35,625 We verified through his ex-wife 607 00:37:35,708 --> 00:37:37,500 that he actually did take her 608 00:37:37,583 --> 00:37:39,833 to the homicide scene 609 00:37:39,916 --> 00:37:43,333 and collect shell casings 610 00:37:43,416 --> 00:37:46,250 that was in a stream at the entrance to this road 611 00:37:46,333 --> 00:37:48,416 that goes up to where the children were murdered. 612 00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:51,583 He did take those shell casings to their house 613 00:37:51,666 --> 00:37:54,458 and flushed them down the toilet. 614 00:37:54,541 --> 00:37:58,833 What he wasn't aware of, though, that it was on a septic 615 00:37:58,916 --> 00:38:02,291 and they were still in...in that septic tank 616 00:38:02,375 --> 00:38:04,333 when we recovered them. 617 00:38:05,583 --> 00:38:07,375 Forrester's gun was a .22. 618 00:38:07,458 --> 00:38:09,166 The killer used a .38. 619 00:38:10,625 --> 00:38:12,125 He said he shoved us in the storeroom 620 00:38:12,208 --> 00:38:15,041 and at least one of us was tied up with some kind of wire, 621 00:38:15,125 --> 00:38:17,333 but there were no ligature marks on any of us. 622 00:38:17,416 --> 00:38:18,625 What the heck is he doing, 623 00:38:18,708 --> 00:38:20,625 going back to the scene of the crime days later, 624 00:38:20,708 --> 00:38:22,125 with his wife, to collect shell casings? 625 00:38:22,208 --> 00:38:23,541 They found them in his poop tank. 626 00:38:23,625 --> 00:38:24,791 Gross! 627 00:38:24,875 --> 00:38:27,125 Look, Pendleton Prison was tough as hell 628 00:38:27,208 --> 00:38:28,541 and when he started talking to Willsey, 629 00:38:28,625 --> 00:38:30,041 they moved him up to Michigan City 630 00:38:30,125 --> 00:38:33,000 and I think he liked it there. 631 00:38:33,083 --> 00:38:35,166 So he confessed to a quadruple murder 632 00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:36,708 that could get him in the electric chair? 633 00:38:36,791 --> 00:38:38,041 Listen. 634 00:38:38,125 --> 00:38:40,291 The prosecutor had access to the confession 635 00:38:40,375 --> 00:38:41,750 but still decided not to prosecute. 636 00:38:44,416 --> 00:38:46,666 They forced me to change 637 00:38:46,750 --> 00:38:48,375 what was the truth 638 00:38:48,458 --> 00:38:50,291 and give them a lie. 639 00:38:50,375 --> 00:38:52,833 If I had did that, you know, 640 00:38:52,916 --> 00:38:54,708 I would never have talked to them in the first place. 641 00:38:56,583 --> 00:38:59,958 We had a meeting with the prosecutor of Marion County 642 00:39:00,041 --> 00:39:02,333 here in the Sheriff's Department. 643 00:39:02,416 --> 00:39:06,458 We were confused why they...they didn't proceed. 644 00:39:06,541 --> 00:39:08,250 And like I said, their excuse was... 645 00:39:08,333 --> 00:39:10,041 ..or their reasoning was 646 00:39:10,125 --> 00:39:11,875 that he was already doing 99 years. 647 00:39:11,958 --> 00:39:14,750 And mine was... 648 00:39:14,833 --> 00:39:16,916 ..I think the families 649 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,916 need to know 650 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,583 so they have some sort of closure. 651 00:39:21,666 --> 00:39:23,250 And... 652 00:39:23,333 --> 00:39:24,916 ..it never happened. 653 00:39:26,833 --> 00:39:29,041 There's a reason Forrester was never convicted. 654 00:39:29,125 --> 00:39:32,708 There are too many inconsistencies to his story. 655 00:39:32,791 --> 00:39:35,750 He confessed twice and then took them back both times. 656 00:39:35,833 --> 00:39:37,958 Right. And one of the guys he named in his crew 657 00:39:38,041 --> 00:39:40,083 was in jail the night this all went down. 658 00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:43,208 I heard that when he was interviewed 659 00:39:43,291 --> 00:39:44,708 by Marion County cops, 660 00:39:44,791 --> 00:39:46,416 they put him in the war room 661 00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:47,958 where all of the crime scene photos 662 00:39:48,041 --> 00:39:49,666 and evidence were on the wall. 663 00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:51,000 He could see it all. 664 00:39:51,083 --> 00:39:53,000 It was poorly done. 665 00:39:54,166 --> 00:39:56,458 I'll just give you an example. 666 00:39:56,541 --> 00:39:59,250 "You witnessed this stabbing take place?" "Yes." 667 00:39:59,333 --> 00:40:03,125 "How many times was the person stabbed?" "Once." 668 00:40:03,208 --> 00:40:05,083 "Well, who stabbed her the second time?" 669 00:40:05,166 --> 00:40:07,333 You know, it's pretty leading. 670 00:40:07,416 --> 00:40:09,750 And by that time, I thought he'd been fed 671 00:40:09,833 --> 00:40:12,000 a big part of this case anyway. 672 00:40:12,083 --> 00:40:13,625 I'd sit right here today and tell you 673 00:40:13,708 --> 00:40:15,416 Donald Forrester could have killed those kids. 674 00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:16,833 He was that kind of person. 675 00:40:16,916 --> 00:40:19,000 He was a coward. He was a liar. 676 00:40:19,083 --> 00:40:20,791 I'm not saying he didn't do it. 677 00:40:20,875 --> 00:40:23,125 I'm saying he never said anything credible. 678 00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:54,625 Hey, Mama. 679 00:40:54,708 --> 00:40:57,416 I've gotta stay back to help close. Is that OK? 680 00:40:58,583 --> 00:41:00,208 Alright. 681 00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:01,666 I love you. Bye-bye. 682 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,291 I can stay. 683 00:41:05,375 --> 00:41:06,875 Right on! 684 00:41:28,208 --> 00:41:30,000 Welcome to Burger Chef. What can I get you? 685 00:41:30,083 --> 00:41:32,750 More, more, more, America! 686 00:41:32,833 --> 00:41:34,458 The number one taste you love. 687 00:41:34,541 --> 00:41:37,791 Serving up juicy, terrific burgers, hot and delicious 688 00:41:37,875 --> 00:41:40,291 with an icy soda and crispy fries. 689 00:41:40,375 --> 00:41:43,250 You want your Big Shef some special way? 690 00:41:43,333 --> 00:41:44,583 You'll get it with our works bar. 691 00:41:44,666 --> 00:41:47,541 Have it your way at Burger Chef. 692 00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:04,666 In order to understand 693 00:42:04,750 --> 00:42:06,791 why the Burger Chef murders so shook the town of Speedway, 694 00:42:06,875 --> 00:42:07,708 it's necessary to understand 695 00:42:07,791 --> 00:42:09,250 what was going on here at the time. 696 00:42:09,333 --> 00:42:11,833 REPORTER:A six-day bombing spree 697 00:42:11,916 --> 00:42:15,708 rocked the town of Speedway in early September of 1978. 698 00:42:15,791 --> 00:42:18,416 It left two people seriously injured. 699 00:42:20,250 --> 00:42:22,500 When we had the Speedway Bombing 700 00:42:22,583 --> 00:42:25,166 across the street from the Burger Chef, 701 00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:27,583 Ruth worked that night. 702 00:42:27,666 --> 00:42:29,416 We had bunk beds. 703 00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:31,083 And she came home 704 00:42:31,166 --> 00:42:35,208 and that bed shook all night long. 705 00:42:35,291 --> 00:42:38,041 She was so nervous. 706 00:42:38,125 --> 00:42:40,708 The apartments complex that we lived in at that time 707 00:42:40,791 --> 00:42:42,458 was called Big Eagle. 708 00:42:42,541 --> 00:42:44,916 Once we got to know Mark 709 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,416 and we realised that we lived in the same apartments... 710 00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:50,416 We're sitting at home one night 711 00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:52,166 and, you know, we're watching the TV. 712 00:42:52,250 --> 00:42:55,333 And I'm like, "I wonder, is a bomb gonna go off tonight?" 713 00:42:55,416 --> 00:42:57,666 10 minutes later, sure as shit. 714 00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:59,041 Boom! 715 00:42:59,125 --> 00:43:02,583 Damn police Speedway cop car blew up. 716 00:43:02,666 --> 00:43:05,458 On September 6, a gym bag 717 00:43:05,541 --> 00:43:08,250 blew up in the parking lot of Speedway High School. 718 00:43:08,333 --> 00:43:11,041 Several people were hurt, including Carl DeLong, 719 00:43:11,125 --> 00:43:12,791 who had to have his leg amputated. 720 00:43:15,666 --> 00:43:17,333 There was a football game that night. 721 00:43:17,416 --> 00:43:19,875 We just walked from the parking lot to the gate 722 00:43:19,958 --> 00:43:24,041 and I heard a loud boom and I saw the flash. 723 00:43:24,125 --> 00:43:25,958 And thought, "Oh, my God, what just happened?" 724 00:43:27,833 --> 00:43:29,541 Then I heard the people screaming 725 00:43:29,625 --> 00:43:31,250 and people running around. 726 00:43:31,333 --> 00:43:35,416 It happened right in here, in this general area. 727 00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:37,125 There was a car parked, 728 00:43:37,208 --> 00:43:38,708 and when that car backed out and left, 729 00:43:38,791 --> 00:43:40,625 it exposed a gym bag. 730 00:43:40,708 --> 00:43:44,458 And a gentleman, Carl DeLong, kicked it. 731 00:43:44,541 --> 00:43:47,708 A guy I went to high school with, DeLong, 732 00:43:47,791 --> 00:43:51,583 his dad kicked the bag and blew his damn leg off. 733 00:43:51,666 --> 00:43:54,125 REPORTER:The victim has lost a leg 734 00:43:54,208 --> 00:43:56,000 and later, plagued by constant pain, 735 00:43:56,083 --> 00:43:57,500 committed suicide. 736 00:43:57,583 --> 00:43:59,791 His wife, she got burnt real bad. 737 00:44:03,125 --> 00:44:05,500 But I can remember just listening to people screaming 738 00:44:05,583 --> 00:44:08,625 and just...just chaos. 739 00:44:08,708 --> 00:44:10,291 This guy was going around Speedway 740 00:44:10,375 --> 00:44:12,375 just bombing the hell out of places, man. 741 00:44:15,916 --> 00:44:17,458 Jayne, 742 00:44:17,541 --> 00:44:19,666 that night, when I spoke with her, 743 00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:21,541 we talked about the bombings. 744 00:44:21,625 --> 00:44:24,000 But she said, "Yeah, one of my employees said 745 00:44:24,083 --> 00:44:25,791 "that she thought that she saw 746 00:44:25,875 --> 00:44:28,208 "Brett Kimberlin go through the drive-thru." 747 00:44:32,375 --> 00:44:35,375 Brett Kimberlin has always been in the background, 748 00:44:35,458 --> 00:44:37,541 in the periphery of the Burger Chef case. 749 00:44:37,625 --> 00:44:41,291 His crimes were so off the wall and didn't make any sense 750 00:44:41,375 --> 00:44:43,750 just like Burger Chef didn't make any sense. 751 00:44:43,833 --> 00:44:46,291 You go from Brett Kimberlin to Burger Chef - 752 00:44:46,375 --> 00:44:49,333 there were a lot of things happening on that side of town. 753 00:44:49,416 --> 00:44:51,416 Brett Kimberlin... 754 00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:55,125 Brett Kimberlin is who I think is behind all... 755 00:44:55,208 --> 00:44:57,958 If it's drug related, it's Brett Kimberlin. 756 00:44:58,041 --> 00:45:00,416 REPORTER:Authorities speculate the bombings were 757 00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:03,333 to distract them from investigating a murder. 758 00:45:03,416 --> 00:45:05,416 The victim, a Speedway grandmother 759 00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:06,916 who reportedly had threatened 760 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,333 to blow the whistle on Kimberlin's drug dealing. 761 00:45:09,416 --> 00:45:11,791 In late July of 1978, 762 00:45:11,875 --> 00:45:13,875 a man came to see a woman named Julia Scyphers 763 00:45:13,958 --> 00:45:15,750 about an item at her garage sale. 764 00:45:15,833 --> 00:45:17,875 The elderly woman was shot in the head and killed. 765 00:45:19,125 --> 00:45:21,583 Julia Scyphers was the mother 766 00:45:21,666 --> 00:45:26,041 of a girl that was dating Brett Kimberlin 767 00:45:26,125 --> 00:45:29,500 and she didn't like the relationship 768 00:45:29,583 --> 00:45:31,083 and she was wanting her daughter 769 00:45:31,166 --> 00:45:33,125 to break up with Brett Kimberlin. 770 00:45:33,208 --> 00:45:36,750 And Brett Kimberlin didn't like that. 771 00:45:36,833 --> 00:45:38,583 And... 772 00:45:40,625 --> 00:45:44,541 I don't know this for sure, but I think that Brett Kimberlin 773 00:45:44,625 --> 00:45:47,833 had Bill Bowman kill Julia Scyphers. 774 00:45:49,083 --> 00:45:50,666 Her husband witnessed it... 775 00:45:52,333 --> 00:45:55,500 ..but he died before anything could be taken to trial. 776 00:45:57,041 --> 00:45:58,875 I think he's evil. 777 00:46:00,791 --> 00:46:02,583 Yeah. He has no conscience. 778 00:46:04,833 --> 00:46:05,666 Um... 779 00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:10,708 But I think even monsters still feel, 780 00:46:10,791 --> 00:46:13,791 and I don't think he even has any feelings. 781 00:46:13,875 --> 00:46:17,750 If there's anybody to be scared of, it's Brett Kimberlin. 782 00:46:17,833 --> 00:46:19,875 Even today. 783 00:46:19,958 --> 00:46:22,000 Hi, guys. 784 00:46:26,083 --> 00:46:27,916 That's alright. I got him. 785 00:46:31,041 --> 00:46:32,625 Didn't expect that one. 786 00:46:33,708 --> 00:46:35,625 Oh, look, there's Ozzie. 787 00:46:35,708 --> 00:46:37,041 Ozzie the pig. 788 00:46:37,125 --> 00:46:38,875 So we have 13 animals. 789 00:46:38,958 --> 00:46:42,791 We have three dogs, four cats, a guinea pig. 790 00:46:42,875 --> 00:46:45,083 We have a chinchilla, 791 00:46:45,166 --> 00:46:46,750 two hamsters, 792 00:46:46,833 --> 00:46:50,166 a Russian tortoise. 793 00:46:50,250 --> 00:46:53,250 We had two pigeons. They both died. It was heartbreaking. 794 00:46:53,333 --> 00:46:55,625 We now have them on the mantle in there. 795 00:46:55,708 --> 00:46:58,625 Uh, we had them cremated. 796 00:46:58,708 --> 00:47:01,208 And we also had another cat named Rascal 797 00:47:01,291 --> 00:47:03,875 and the damn mail truck ran over him a few months ago. 798 00:47:03,958 --> 00:47:05,708 Broke my kid's heart. 799 00:47:05,791 --> 00:47:07,791 Um... 800 00:47:07,875 --> 00:47:11,166 So I think that's the extent of our, um... 801 00:47:12,416 --> 00:47:14,250 ..our menagerie here. 802 00:47:17,208 --> 00:47:18,916 REPORTER:Yesterday, as Brett Kimberlin headed 803 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,000 back to the Marion County Jail, surrounded by newspeople, 804 00:47:22,083 --> 00:47:23,833 he claimed innocence of the Speedway Bombings 805 00:47:23,916 --> 00:47:25,166 and promised an appeal. 806 00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:28,958 I was in prison for 14 or 15 years 807 00:47:29,041 --> 00:47:32,583 over the bombing case. 808 00:47:32,666 --> 00:47:35,791 I had absolutely nothing to do with the Speedway Bombings. 809 00:47:35,875 --> 00:47:37,750 I did not commit them. I did not build them. 810 00:47:37,833 --> 00:47:40,625 I did not manufacture them. I did not detonate them. 811 00:47:40,708 --> 00:47:42,875 I had absolutely nothing to do with 812 00:47:42,958 --> 00:47:44,333 the death of Julia Scyphers. 813 00:47:44,416 --> 00:47:48,041 I had nothing to do with the Burger Chef murders at all. 814 00:47:48,125 --> 00:47:49,625 I did not know those people. 815 00:47:49,708 --> 00:47:52,208 I'd never been to that Burger Chef at all. 816 00:47:52,291 --> 00:47:55,333 That's...that's just flat-out fact. 817 00:47:55,416 --> 00:47:58,166 It was police putting this garbage, 818 00:47:58,250 --> 00:48:00,375 lies, false narrative, 819 00:48:00,458 --> 00:48:02,125 'fake news' as they call it nowadays, 820 00:48:02,208 --> 00:48:04,916 into...into the media. 821 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,250 And they had my pictures 822 00:48:07,333 --> 00:48:09,416 with stories involving 823 00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:11,458 the Burger Chef murders 824 00:48:11,541 --> 00:48:14,083 and somehow saying that I was involved. 825 00:48:14,166 --> 00:48:15,375 It was like 'Twilight Zone'. 826 00:48:15,458 --> 00:48:17,125 I mean, really, this was 'The Twilight Zone'. 827 00:48:21,416 --> 00:48:24,416 Brett Kimberlin was kind of a bogeyman in Speedway. 828 00:48:24,500 --> 00:48:27,208 Bunch of folks think it was him who killed us. 829 00:48:27,291 --> 00:48:30,291 He's a dead ringer for the sketch of the Clean-Shaven Man. 830 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,208 But there are some problems with this theory. 831 00:48:39,041 --> 00:48:41,708 It was the '70s and a lot of people were smoking pot. 832 00:48:41,791 --> 00:48:47,208 And there was a large market, so I started selling pot. 833 00:48:47,291 --> 00:48:49,291 I didn't have any issues with... 834 00:48:49,375 --> 00:48:51,791 ..really with customers or with... 835 00:48:51,875 --> 00:48:53,916 ..police or anything 836 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,666 until this whole thing... 837 00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:58,041 ..you know, crashed down on me. 838 00:48:58,125 --> 00:49:01,333 But I supposedly became a suspect in the bombings 839 00:49:01,416 --> 00:49:03,291 and got arrested. 840 00:49:03,375 --> 00:49:05,541 I never got out after that. 841 00:49:05,625 --> 00:49:07,666 And gave me 50 years. 842 00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:10,250 He was shipping tonnes of marijuana 843 00:49:10,333 --> 00:49:12,333 across international borders. 844 00:49:12,416 --> 00:49:16,666 So why the heck would he deal dime bags to kids? 845 00:49:16,750 --> 00:49:20,041 The fact that they never solved the Burger Chef murders... 846 00:49:20,125 --> 00:49:21,875 I'm just floored 847 00:49:21,958 --> 00:49:25,625 that four beautiful kids could be killed 848 00:49:25,708 --> 00:49:30,291 and no-one would be held responsible. 849 00:49:30,375 --> 00:49:34,500 You know, he wasn't even in the gosh-darn papers at this point. 850 00:49:34,583 --> 00:49:36,458 So, how did I recognise him? 851 00:49:36,541 --> 00:49:38,791 And besides, what was his motive? 852 00:50:01,166 --> 00:50:02,708 I try to force myself 853 00:50:02,791 --> 00:50:07,833 not to think about how she died. 854 00:50:07,916 --> 00:50:09,500 But a lot of times, you know, 855 00:50:09,583 --> 00:50:11,958 I just can't seem to get it out of my head that, 856 00:50:12,041 --> 00:50:15,291 you know, she was... laying there, 857 00:50:15,375 --> 00:50:19,666 told to...to lay face down, and she did. 858 00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:21,625 And what was going through her head? 859 00:50:21,708 --> 00:50:23,083 What was she thinking? 860 00:50:23,166 --> 00:50:26,416 Had they said, "You just lay down here, 861 00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:28,458 "there's a house over there 862 00:50:28,541 --> 00:50:31,208 "that you can run to, but you've gotta count to a hundred"? 863 00:50:31,291 --> 00:50:33,500 Or what? 864 00:50:33,583 --> 00:50:38,083 Did she believe that she was going to be allowed 865 00:50:38,166 --> 00:50:42,625 to go somewhere, but they wanted to get away first? 866 00:50:42,708 --> 00:50:44,125 And I just... 867 00:50:45,583 --> 00:50:49,125 That's basically my... my nightmares. 868 00:50:49,208 --> 00:50:51,125 I don't ever... 869 00:50:53,958 --> 00:50:55,333 You know, 870 00:50:55,416 --> 00:50:58,416 I don't ever hear the gunshot. 871 00:51:32,791 --> 00:51:36,708 Hey, Mama, uh, can I stay and help close? 872 00:51:43,208 --> 00:51:45,333 OK. I love you, Mama. 873 00:51:48,166 --> 00:51:49,541 Uh, I can stay. 874 00:51:50,875 --> 00:51:51,750 Right on. 875 00:52:16,375 --> 00:52:19,583 The only person who ever came forward and said, 876 00:52:19,666 --> 00:52:23,875 "I was at the Burger Chef and I saw this," 877 00:52:23,958 --> 00:52:25,666 was Allen Pruitt. 878 00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:29,666 And we can prove beyond any doubt whatsoever he was there. 879 00:52:30,750 --> 00:52:33,583 In late '80, or early '81, 880 00:52:33,666 --> 00:52:36,208 we were called to the Marion County Jail. 881 00:52:36,291 --> 00:52:39,375 And a counsellor said, "Hey, 882 00:52:39,458 --> 00:52:41,750 "there's been an altercation between Allen Pruitt 883 00:52:41,833 --> 00:52:45,833 "and the brother of one of the victims from the Burger Chef, 884 00:52:45,916 --> 00:52:49,083 "James Friedt, and we think you guys 885 00:52:49,166 --> 00:52:50,875 "probably need to talk to this Allen Pruitt." 886 00:52:50,958 --> 00:52:54,791 And that's how we first became aware of him. 887 00:52:54,875 --> 00:52:59,833 He told us a kind of a rambling story 888 00:52:59,916 --> 00:53:02,375 about being at the Dunkin' Donuts 889 00:53:02,458 --> 00:53:05,375 next door to the Burger Chef that night. 890 00:53:14,208 --> 00:53:16,708 Well, I was in a cell block 891 00:53:16,791 --> 00:53:19,958 and one day I heard them announce over the intercom, 892 00:53:20,041 --> 00:53:22,833 "James Friedt," you know, "Come to the door." 893 00:53:22,916 --> 00:53:26,833 And I thought, "James Friedt," you know, I thought, 894 00:53:26,916 --> 00:53:28,916 "I wonder if that's Jayne's brother," you know? 895 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,875 I kind of recognised him with that black curly hair 896 00:53:32,958 --> 00:53:34,958 and, you know, beard. 897 00:53:35,041 --> 00:53:38,916 I said, "Are you Jayne Friedt's brother?" 898 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,791 "Yeah, I am. What about it?" 899 00:53:42,875 --> 00:53:46,958 I said, "Word is, I heard you got your sister 900 00:53:47,041 --> 00:53:49,916 "and them three other kids killed up at the Burger Chef." 901 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,958 "Oh, what the fuck you talking about, man?" 902 00:53:52,041 --> 00:53:54,250 He goes, "Who the hell did you hear that from?" 903 00:53:54,333 --> 00:53:55,750 You know, what if it is true? 904 00:53:55,833 --> 00:53:58,083 What if he did get his sister and them kids killed? 905 00:53:58,166 --> 00:54:02,083 Because I heard back in school days he was a coke dealer. 906 00:54:02,166 --> 00:54:04,708 You know, maybe he got his sister involved 907 00:54:04,791 --> 00:54:07,541 and some shit went wrong. 908 00:54:07,625 --> 00:54:09,250 Now, what he says he saw, 909 00:54:09,333 --> 00:54:13,041 that's hard... that's difficult to prove. 910 00:54:13,125 --> 00:54:14,750 Is he telling the truth? 911 00:54:15,875 --> 00:54:17,875 Gosh, I don't...I don't know. 912 00:54:22,125 --> 00:54:23,583 David Adams stopped by, 913 00:54:23,666 --> 00:54:26,000 visited at my mom and dad's house. 914 00:54:26,083 --> 00:54:28,125 He said, "What do you want to do tonight?" 915 00:54:28,208 --> 00:54:29,916 I said, "Hell, man, I don't know." 916 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,750 "Well, let's go get some damn beer." 917 00:54:31,833 --> 00:54:33,833 David was driving in his Pinto 918 00:54:33,916 --> 00:54:36,041 and I said, "David, I need to get something to eat." 919 00:54:36,125 --> 00:54:38,416 So we go to Dunkin' Donuts. 920 00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:41,833 His ex-girlfriend Mary Rein worked there. 921 00:54:41,916 --> 00:54:43,875 Burger Chef looked like it was already closed, 922 00:54:43,958 --> 00:54:46,625 because they had the big hamburger man out in front 923 00:54:46,708 --> 00:54:49,083 that they normally lit up all the time at night, 924 00:54:49,166 --> 00:54:50,416 it was off. 925 00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:52,875 Now, there were lights on in the restaurant, 926 00:54:52,958 --> 00:54:55,833 but I think a lot of places they leave lights on like that. 927 00:54:58,541 --> 00:55:00,625 I saw that goddamn van that night. 928 00:55:00,708 --> 00:55:03,000 And I will never forget that fucking van 929 00:55:03,083 --> 00:55:06,833 because of the white wheels. 930 00:55:06,916 --> 00:55:08,875 'Cause I'm thinking, you know, I'm thinking, 931 00:55:08,958 --> 00:55:11,625 "Man, you know, that looks fucking stupid." 932 00:55:11,708 --> 00:55:14,750 I mean, it just... It always stood out in my head. Always. 933 00:55:14,833 --> 00:55:16,958 They were bright white. 934 00:55:17,041 --> 00:55:20,291 I remember them wheels like it was yesterday, 935 00:55:20,375 --> 00:55:22,916 and I remember some kind of a weird window 936 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,041 on the side of that van. 937 00:55:25,125 --> 00:55:27,958 You know, it was a long distance, and it was dark, 938 00:55:28,041 --> 00:55:30,625 and just the way the parking light was shining 939 00:55:30,708 --> 00:55:33,208 it looked like Jeff Reed. 940 00:55:33,291 --> 00:55:35,500 Jeff Reed, the driver of the van. 941 00:55:35,583 --> 00:55:39,041 He looked like a pro football player, just buff, big arms, 942 00:55:39,125 --> 00:55:41,750 big chest, big neck, you know, and I, 943 00:55:41,833 --> 00:55:44,041 "You know, he might be a helpful buddy to have around 944 00:55:44,125 --> 00:55:45,791 "just for, you know, protection." 945 00:55:45,875 --> 00:55:47,666 You know, if somebody tries to whoop on you. 946 00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:50,000 Well, I saw this guy with the door open 947 00:55:50,083 --> 00:55:51,458 on the passenger door, 948 00:55:51,541 --> 00:55:53,416 and I looked and I thought, 949 00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:55,625 "Damn, I know who that is." 950 00:55:55,708 --> 00:55:57,166 Tim Willoughby. 951 00:55:57,250 --> 00:55:58,500 That was him I saw 952 00:55:58,583 --> 00:56:01,375 on the passenger side of that van that night. 953 00:56:01,458 --> 00:56:03,583 Tim Willoughby, I mean, he just... 954 00:56:03,666 --> 00:56:05,583 He was strange-acting. 955 00:56:05,666 --> 00:56:07,291 I mean, if you just looked at the guy, 956 00:56:07,375 --> 00:56:09,000 you got really funny vibes. 957 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,333 This is the testimony of Allen Pruitt. 958 00:56:18,125 --> 00:56:20,541 It says here that Pruitt was at the Dunkin' Donuts 959 00:56:20,625 --> 00:56:22,208 with his buddy, David Adams. 960 00:56:22,291 --> 00:56:23,833 He's drunk and he feels sick. 961 00:56:23,916 --> 00:56:25,833 So he goes outside for some air 962 00:56:25,916 --> 00:56:30,166 and says he "heard some racket next door at Burger Chef there. 963 00:56:30,250 --> 00:56:32,041 "And I walked around to the side of Dunkin' Donuts 964 00:56:32,125 --> 00:56:33,791 "to see what was going on 965 00:56:33,875 --> 00:56:36,041 "and seen the orange van sitting there." 966 00:56:38,375 --> 00:56:40,125 So this is the guy? 967 00:56:40,208 --> 00:56:42,833 If he wasn't leaning against the wall of the Dunkin' Donuts, 968 00:56:42,916 --> 00:56:44,541 he'd fall over. 969 00:56:44,625 --> 00:56:47,000 So, it says here that he named two guys - 970 00:56:47,083 --> 00:56:51,083 Jeff Reed and Tim Willoughby. 971 00:56:56,083 --> 00:56:59,125 So let me get this straight. 972 00:56:59,208 --> 00:57:02,875 Pruitt just happens to know the two guys who did this 973 00:57:02,958 --> 00:57:05,458 and just happens to be there when it all goes down? 974 00:57:09,041 --> 00:57:10,125 What's it say? 975 00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:16,791 "Jeff Reed grabbed the black boy by the back 976 00:57:16,875 --> 00:57:19,125 "and threw him toward the van..." 977 00:57:22,458 --> 00:57:23,750 "..and went down and hit his head 978 00:57:23,833 --> 00:57:25,500 "on the back corner of the van, 979 00:57:25,583 --> 00:57:28,166 "and I guess it either killed him or knocked him out. 980 00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:30,458 "Jeff picked him up, 981 00:57:30,541 --> 00:57:32,958 "put him in the back of the van." 982 00:57:40,958 --> 00:57:43,583 "Tim, Jayne and the other girl..." 983 00:57:44,750 --> 00:57:46,166 That would be me. 984 00:57:46,250 --> 00:57:49,541 "..walked to the east side of the building. 985 00:57:49,625 --> 00:57:53,000 "I seen a white Vega pull out with him driving. 986 00:57:53,083 --> 00:57:55,708 "I seen him as they pulled out of the parking lot." 987 00:57:55,791 --> 00:57:57,000 My car. 988 00:57:57,083 --> 00:57:58,625 That's my car! I... 989 00:58:08,708 --> 00:58:10,000 Look, the cops said 990 00:58:10,083 --> 00:58:12,375 Pruitt was the only one who saw what happened. 991 00:58:12,458 --> 00:58:14,625 Right, but his story's changed 992 00:58:14,708 --> 00:58:16,291 so many times over the years. 993 00:58:16,375 --> 00:58:18,125 One time he said it might have even been 994 00:58:18,208 --> 00:58:20,708 your brother Jimmy he saw, not Jeff Reed. 995 00:58:20,791 --> 00:58:23,041 Right, and what about the time he said there was another car 996 00:58:23,125 --> 00:58:25,125 and two black guys? 997 00:58:25,208 --> 00:58:27,041 So why would Pruitt lie? 998 00:58:27,125 --> 00:58:28,541 Depends who you ask. 999 00:58:28,625 --> 00:58:30,000 I heard he was a lookout. 1000 00:58:30,083 --> 00:58:31,833 He was in and out of jail too. 1001 00:58:31,916 --> 00:58:33,958 He passed a dang polygraph. 1002 00:58:34,041 --> 00:58:37,166 OK, so this is where shit gets crazy. 1003 00:58:40,041 --> 00:58:42,833 Allen Pruitt told us, about four in the afternoon 1004 00:58:42,916 --> 00:58:44,541 he was at this Dairy Queen in Avon, 1005 00:58:44,625 --> 00:58:46,625 which was the local hangout. 1006 00:58:46,708 --> 00:58:48,333 The van he had seen 1007 00:58:48,416 --> 00:58:50,375 at the Burger Chef the night before pulled in, 1008 00:58:50,458 --> 00:58:55,041 and that Tim Willoughby and Jeff Reed were in the van. 1009 00:58:55,125 --> 00:58:57,625 He said he got in, and in the back of the van 1010 00:58:57,708 --> 00:59:01,166 was Tim Willoughby's girlfriend, Mary Ann Higginbotham, 1011 00:59:01,250 --> 00:59:04,125 and that she was dishevelled, she appeared to be high. 1012 00:59:04,208 --> 00:59:05,833 And he says that Mary Ann 1013 00:59:05,916 --> 00:59:09,041 kept rambling on about them killing these kids, 1014 00:59:09,125 --> 00:59:11,375 and that they tried to get her to shoot one of them, 1015 00:59:11,458 --> 00:59:13,625 so she'd be as guilty as they were. 1016 00:59:13,708 --> 00:59:15,375 They ultimately got out of the van 1017 00:59:15,458 --> 00:59:16,833 and that Mary Ann told him, 1018 00:59:16,916 --> 00:59:18,875 "Run, they're gonna shoot you too." 1019 00:59:18,958 --> 00:59:21,125 And he did. He fled. 1020 00:59:21,208 --> 00:59:22,916 He said there was a gunshot. 1021 00:59:32,041 --> 00:59:34,125 It gets weirder. 1022 00:59:34,208 --> 00:59:37,166 Tim and Mary Ann couldn't have been in the van. 1023 00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:39,333 They were meant to be dead. 1024 00:59:41,125 --> 00:59:45,000 Tim Willoughby was supposedly dead at the time. 1025 00:59:45,083 --> 00:59:47,125 Common thought, because his girlfriend, 1026 00:59:47,208 --> 00:59:48,750 Mary Ann Higginbotham, 1027 00:59:48,833 --> 00:59:51,500 had been found in Morgan County, Indiana, 1028 00:59:51,583 --> 00:59:53,750 sealed in a barrel earlier that year. 1029 00:59:55,375 --> 00:59:58,333 The common belief was that Tim was dead. 1030 00:59:58,416 --> 01:00:00,333 His body's never been found. 1031 01:00:00,416 --> 01:00:03,958 And to date he's not reappeared. 1032 01:00:07,916 --> 01:00:12,416 They thought that he had died in June of '78, 1033 01:00:12,500 --> 01:00:14,458 right before the Burger Chef murders. 1034 01:00:18,541 --> 01:00:19,916 That's crazy, man. 1035 01:00:26,791 --> 01:00:28,125 So, according to this, 1036 01:00:28,208 --> 01:00:29,791 they were there to collect money from me. 1037 01:00:36,041 --> 01:00:37,291 What? 1038 01:00:37,375 --> 01:00:39,291 Her brother would come up to visit 1039 01:00:39,375 --> 01:00:45,583 and they would leave the restaurant and go get high. 1040 01:00:45,666 --> 01:00:48,666 Burger Chef was supposed to be a drug drop in the bathrooms. 1041 01:00:50,625 --> 01:00:52,166 I was on break 1042 01:00:52,250 --> 01:00:55,375 and I went up and I bought a hamburger for my lunch 1043 01:00:55,458 --> 01:00:57,750 and I left my wallet on the counter. 1044 01:00:57,833 --> 01:01:00,000 Went back up, it was gone. 1045 01:01:00,083 --> 01:01:03,083 Six months later, I'm cleaning the bathroom 1046 01:01:03,166 --> 01:01:06,666 and I look up and I see the ceiling tile is not straight. 1047 01:01:06,750 --> 01:01:09,291 So I climb up on the toilet to straighten it up 1048 01:01:09,375 --> 01:01:11,291 and my wallet falls out. 1049 01:01:11,375 --> 01:01:12,291 Oh. 1050 01:01:12,375 --> 01:01:15,333 Could that be the drug drop? 1051 01:01:15,416 --> 01:01:19,208 I don't know the extent of what was going on. 1052 01:01:19,291 --> 01:01:23,000 I just know that she would leave with him frequently, 1053 01:01:23,083 --> 01:01:25,208 be gone for 20, 25 minutes, 1054 01:01:25,291 --> 01:01:27,416 and come back with a whole new attitude. 1055 01:01:29,666 --> 01:01:31,166 It's ridiculous. 1056 01:01:32,958 --> 01:01:35,166 So I was some sort of drug kingpin? 1057 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,833 Come on! 1058 01:01:39,916 --> 01:01:42,500 Well, what about Jimmy? 1059 01:01:42,583 --> 01:01:45,041 My brother was into some bad shit with some bad people, 1060 01:01:45,125 --> 01:01:46,708 but I can't believe he would let me die 1061 01:01:46,791 --> 01:01:48,708 because of a drug debt. 1062 01:01:50,541 --> 01:01:52,083 Jayne had a brother, Jimmy. 1063 01:01:52,166 --> 01:01:54,583 It was common knowledge where he would... 1064 01:01:54,666 --> 01:01:57,250 ..he would sell drugs. 1065 01:01:57,333 --> 01:01:59,750 Pot or maybe cocaine. 1066 01:01:59,833 --> 01:02:01,958 I hate to say black sheep, but he was. 1067 01:02:02,041 --> 01:02:04,458 Would she have done something for him? 1068 01:02:04,541 --> 01:02:07,250 Could she have got hooked up with...with Jimmy 1069 01:02:07,333 --> 01:02:11,250 and done a favour for him and sell bags of pot 1070 01:02:11,333 --> 01:02:12,708 or something through the drive-up? 1071 01:02:12,791 --> 01:02:15,666 Probably. Because she did love him. 1072 01:02:18,958 --> 01:02:22,666 My theory is that it was a drug deal... 1073 01:02:24,208 --> 01:02:25,958 ..with Jayne's brother. 1074 01:02:27,041 --> 01:02:29,541 There was another side of Jayne. 1075 01:02:29,625 --> 01:02:32,291 She didn't treat all the employees 1076 01:02:32,375 --> 01:02:34,750 very kindly all the time. 1077 01:02:34,833 --> 01:02:37,083 She could get pretty angry. 1078 01:02:37,166 --> 01:02:39,166 Pretty, um... 1079 01:02:41,250 --> 01:02:43,625 I don't know what words to say, and I really feel bad 1080 01:02:43,708 --> 01:02:45,875 about talking bad about somebody that has passed, 1081 01:02:45,958 --> 01:02:50,875 but she could get in your face and I've... 1082 01:02:50,958 --> 01:02:54,041 She pointed her finger in my face a few times. 1083 01:02:54,125 --> 01:02:57,750 At one point, she left the restaurant 1084 01:02:57,833 --> 01:02:59,500 during working hours. 1085 01:02:59,583 --> 01:03:02,416 It was night, we were closed, we were cleaning up, 1086 01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:04,666 and she was going to walk out of the restaurant 1087 01:03:04,750 --> 01:03:05,958 for a little while. 1088 01:03:06,041 --> 01:03:08,708 And she got in my face and pointed her finger. 1089 01:03:08,791 --> 01:03:12,291 "Don't you tell a soul that I'm leaving, and if you do, 1090 01:03:12,375 --> 01:03:14,666 "I will make your life a living hell when I get back." 1091 01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:18,291 What about your brother? 1092 01:03:18,375 --> 01:03:21,000 He does time for armed robbery a few years from now. 1093 01:03:21,083 --> 01:03:23,250 And the apartment building where you live 1094 01:03:23,333 --> 01:03:26,041 is basically a halfway house for every crook in Speedway. 1095 01:03:26,125 --> 01:03:27,250 Jayne, stop. 1096 01:03:27,333 --> 01:03:29,416 OK, the black guys did it. Nice. 1097 01:03:29,500 --> 01:03:31,250 When they dusted my car for prints, 1098 01:03:31,333 --> 01:03:32,833 the only one they found besides mine 1099 01:03:32,916 --> 01:03:34,708 belonged to a buddy of your brother, 1100 01:03:34,791 --> 01:03:36,125 so get off your high horse. 1101 01:03:36,208 --> 01:03:37,250 Guys! 1102 01:03:37,333 --> 01:03:38,916 I'm sorry if this offends you, 1103 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,916 but we keep hearing this shit about you. 1104 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,666 Is it true? 1105 01:03:42,750 --> 01:03:44,750 -Did you owe people money? -Hey! 1106 01:03:44,833 --> 01:03:47,000 This is not helping. 1107 01:03:48,958 --> 01:03:51,000 Danny's right, guys. 1108 01:04:00,333 --> 01:04:02,916 We want to believe you, Jayne, but we keep hearing shit. 1109 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,791 We can't look at this whole thing 1110 01:04:04,875 --> 01:04:07,541 without looking at you too. 1111 01:04:07,625 --> 01:04:12,750 But people talk about me like I was living two goddamn lives. 1112 01:04:12,833 --> 01:04:15,708 I was just trying to work stuff out like everyone else. 1113 01:04:15,791 --> 01:04:18,541 I just wanna go home. Just like all of you. 1114 01:04:21,541 --> 01:04:26,166 I'm not just some footnote in a murder mystery. 1115 01:04:26,250 --> 01:04:29,666 Some curio for people to speculate about. 1116 01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:32,166 "Oh, I knew that girl who died at the Burger Chef," 1117 01:04:32,250 --> 01:04:34,041 or, "I took AP Bio with that dead girl." 1118 01:04:34,125 --> 01:04:35,541 I'm me! 1119 01:04:38,291 --> 01:04:40,541 I feel like that, a lot of times, 1120 01:04:40,625 --> 01:04:43,708 we hear all about the bad people's names 1121 01:04:43,791 --> 01:04:47,125 and their lives and what they were into. 1122 01:04:47,208 --> 01:04:52,416 And then we call everyone else the victim. 1123 01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:53,666 Um... 1124 01:04:55,625 --> 01:04:57,625 That's not... That's not right. 1125 01:04:57,708 --> 01:04:59,000 They weren't victims. 1126 01:04:59,083 --> 01:05:03,250 They were my sister, Ruth, 1127 01:05:03,333 --> 01:05:06,041 her manager, Jayne, 1128 01:05:06,125 --> 01:05:08,666 Mark and Danny. 1129 01:05:08,750 --> 01:05:11,958 Nobody had 'victim' across their name tag. 1130 01:05:12,041 --> 01:05:14,791 Why are we notarising 1131 01:05:14,875 --> 01:05:18,166 the people who may have been responsible 1132 01:05:18,250 --> 01:05:21,375 and forgetting that the people that they killed 1133 01:05:21,458 --> 01:05:23,500 were real people? 1134 01:05:25,916 --> 01:05:27,916 You know, I used to wear ankle weights 1135 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,541 under my pants every day 1136 01:05:29,625 --> 01:05:32,333 so I could jump higher on the basketball court. 1137 01:05:34,375 --> 01:05:36,875 I remember I'd take them off at the end of the day 1138 01:05:36,958 --> 01:05:38,916 and I felt so light it's like I could fly. 1139 01:05:40,458 --> 01:05:42,291 Dang, I wish I felt like that right now. 1140 01:05:44,708 --> 01:05:46,958 Did it work? 1141 01:05:47,041 --> 01:05:49,208 Yeah, but I got cut from the team 1142 01:05:49,291 --> 01:05:51,000 'cause I wouldn't cut my hair. 1143 01:05:51,083 --> 01:05:52,833 Believe that? 1144 01:06:00,041 --> 01:06:01,583 There's another witness. 1145 01:06:02,708 --> 01:06:03,750 Jean Bland. 1146 01:06:06,291 --> 01:06:08,500 We were driving down Crawfordsville Road. 1147 01:06:08,583 --> 01:06:10,166 We slowed down 1148 01:06:10,250 --> 01:06:12,833 and tried to kind of see what was going on. 1149 01:06:12,916 --> 01:06:17,500 And that's when I noticed a single-file line of kids 1150 01:06:17,583 --> 01:06:20,416 walking to a van from the side door. 1151 01:06:20,500 --> 01:06:22,541 I see a man in the lead, 1152 01:06:22,625 --> 01:06:24,458 and then there was someone holding the door open 1153 01:06:24,541 --> 01:06:26,125 for them to walk out of. 1154 01:06:26,208 --> 01:06:29,958 And I told my husband and my sister-in-law, 1155 01:06:30,041 --> 01:06:32,083 "There's something strange about that." 1156 01:06:32,166 --> 01:06:34,166 The next morning we saw the news, 1157 01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:37,791 and he immediately called the Speedway Police Department. 1158 01:06:37,875 --> 01:06:39,375 Spoke to him one time. 1159 01:06:39,458 --> 01:06:41,833 From that point on, we never heard anything else. 1160 01:06:44,791 --> 01:06:46,625 Every time they had an anniversary, 1161 01:06:46,708 --> 01:06:49,625 my husband would call in again and he'd be like, 1162 01:06:49,708 --> 01:06:52,375 "We seen this. 1163 01:06:52,458 --> 01:06:54,333 "We could tell you the colour of the van, 1164 01:06:54,416 --> 01:06:56,041 "the description of the person." 1165 01:06:56,125 --> 01:07:00,041 He's like, "Why hasn't anybody talked to me? 1166 01:07:00,125 --> 01:07:01,875 "We have pertinent information 1167 01:07:01,958 --> 01:07:05,000 "that could have helped you locate these people." 1168 01:07:05,083 --> 01:07:08,791 She and her husband tried for years to talk to them, 1169 01:07:08,875 --> 01:07:10,791 but the police didn't care. 1170 01:07:16,875 --> 01:07:18,500 So it couldn't have been long 1171 01:07:18,583 --> 01:07:20,541 that they must have got them in the van, 1172 01:07:20,625 --> 01:07:24,416 he ran out and got in the van, because they caught up with us. 1173 01:07:26,333 --> 01:07:28,541 I seen the side view, his profile, 1174 01:07:28,625 --> 01:07:30,375 his hair colour. 1175 01:07:30,458 --> 01:07:32,291 It looked like he had dark sideburns, 1176 01:07:32,375 --> 01:07:33,750 which could have been a beard, 1177 01:07:33,833 --> 01:07:36,750 'cause I didn't see the front of his face. 1178 01:07:36,833 --> 01:07:39,208 But they turned right on Lynhurst, 1179 01:07:39,291 --> 01:07:42,166 disappeared into the night, and we went on home. 1180 01:07:44,916 --> 01:07:49,416 Was Tim Willoughby alive November 17, 1978? 1181 01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:50,875 I don't know. 1182 01:07:50,958 --> 01:07:54,041 I know that Allen Pruitt says that's who he saw there. 1183 01:07:55,166 --> 01:07:57,166 If he's lying about this, 1184 01:07:57,250 --> 01:07:59,833 he needs to have the courage to come up and say, 1185 01:07:59,916 --> 01:08:01,416 "I heard some yelling over there, 1186 01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:03,666 "but I have no idea what was going on." 1187 01:08:05,333 --> 01:08:06,875 Maybe I was talking shit, 1188 01:08:06,958 --> 01:08:09,208 you know, because, you know, I was just pissing them off, 1189 01:08:09,291 --> 01:08:12,625 because all they kept doing was harassing the hell out of me. 1190 01:08:12,708 --> 01:08:14,291 And, my God, did that 1191 01:08:14,375 --> 01:08:17,583 just make my blood pressure roll right there. 1192 01:08:17,666 --> 01:08:20,791 I mean, the hell they had put me and David Adams through, 1193 01:08:20,875 --> 01:08:23,083 almost a year worth of harassment, 1194 01:08:23,166 --> 01:08:24,916 polygraph tests. 1195 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,250 Because I did not like cops, OK? 1196 01:08:27,333 --> 01:08:28,708 They all acted like, 1197 01:08:28,791 --> 01:08:33,041 "Oh, we know you guys did it and we're gonna prove it." 1198 01:08:33,125 --> 01:08:34,541 We couldn't afford lawyers, you know? 1199 01:08:34,625 --> 01:08:35,583 We were poor kids. 1200 01:08:35,666 --> 01:08:36,708 And, you know, 1201 01:08:36,791 --> 01:08:38,041 we were really getting to the point 1202 01:08:38,125 --> 01:08:39,416 where we was getting scared 1203 01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:41,208 if we said, you know, the wrong damn word, 1204 01:08:41,291 --> 01:08:43,375 you know, they're gonna use it against us. 1205 01:08:45,291 --> 01:08:49,125 I will never, to the day they put me in a grave, 1206 01:08:49,208 --> 01:08:52,125 I will never forget that frickin' van. 1207 01:08:52,208 --> 01:08:54,250 Never. 1208 01:08:54,333 --> 01:08:57,791 If there's anything I can do to help with this case, 1209 01:08:57,875 --> 01:09:00,041 I'm here for that reason. 1210 01:09:00,125 --> 01:09:02,083 We know he was there. 1211 01:09:02,166 --> 01:09:04,500 He's the only person that ever said, 1212 01:09:04,583 --> 01:09:07,041 "I was there," that we can prove was at the restaurant. 1213 01:09:07,125 --> 01:09:09,083 If he's got some involvement beyond that, 1214 01:09:09,166 --> 01:09:14,500 I hope that, before he dies, he has enough courage to confess. 1215 01:09:17,333 --> 01:09:20,708 Somebody has carried this... this secret for 40 years, 1216 01:09:20,791 --> 01:09:23,750 and...and it's time. 1217 01:09:23,833 --> 01:09:27,500 It's time to...to unload that...that secret, that burden, 1218 01:09:27,583 --> 01:09:29,791 and give us that... 1219 01:09:29,875 --> 01:09:32,458 ..give us that piece of information that we need 1220 01:09:32,541 --> 01:09:36,375 to be able to, uh, to hold somebody accountable for this. 1221 01:10:10,541 --> 01:10:12,625 Hey, Mama, I'm just calling you to tell you 1222 01:10:12,708 --> 01:10:14,833 that I have to stay tonight. 1223 01:10:14,916 --> 01:10:16,541 Alright. 1224 01:10:16,625 --> 01:10:18,166 OK. 1225 01:10:19,875 --> 01:10:21,666 I love you. 1226 01:10:28,625 --> 01:10:30,000 He had called 1227 01:10:30,083 --> 01:10:32,750 'cause he wasn't supposed to work till only 10 o'clock. 1228 01:10:32,833 --> 01:10:35,500 That's the state law, 'cause he's 16. 1229 01:10:35,583 --> 01:10:37,875 And he called us and said 1230 01:10:37,958 --> 01:10:42,125 could he work another hour or so to help her close up. 1231 01:10:42,208 --> 01:10:46,750 And we conferred, said, "Well, yeah, go ahead." 1232 01:10:46,833 --> 01:10:48,833 'Cause he said, "I want the money for Christmas. 1233 01:10:48,916 --> 01:10:50,541 "Christmas presents." 1234 01:10:52,083 --> 01:10:53,625 So you kind of blame yourself for that. 1235 01:10:53,708 --> 01:10:55,041 You know, why...why did you tell him... 1236 01:10:55,125 --> 01:10:57,458 Why didn't you tell him, "Come on home," but I didn't. 1237 01:10:57,541 --> 01:10:59,416 And we both agreed, 1238 01:10:59,500 --> 01:11:01,083 you know, for him to go ahead and work. 1239 01:11:02,250 --> 01:11:03,375 I can stay. 1240 01:12:19,208 --> 01:12:21,500 This is where the rubber meets the racetrack. 1241 01:12:28,916 --> 01:12:33,583 โ™ช And I often sit and wonder what we should do... โ™ช 1242 01:12:35,666 --> 01:12:38,000 Back in the 1970s, we went to the racetrack, 1243 01:12:38,083 --> 01:12:40,000 the track was open the whole month of May, 1244 01:12:40,083 --> 01:12:41,333 so we had a little clique 1245 01:12:41,416 --> 01:12:43,333 that we called the Riff Raff Social Club. 1246 01:12:43,416 --> 01:12:45,958 And our whole clique was race fans, 1247 01:12:46,041 --> 01:12:48,833 and basically the whole month of May, 1248 01:12:48,916 --> 01:12:50,875 pretty much partied constantly. 1249 01:12:50,958 --> 01:12:53,000 So that's what we did. 1250 01:12:53,083 --> 01:12:56,750 The parties in the Snake Pit were pretty radical. 1251 01:12:56,833 --> 01:13:00,708 I mean, it was tits and ass and beer and weed. 1252 01:13:00,791 --> 01:13:03,791 We had a lot of fun and it was different women every night, 1253 01:13:03,875 --> 01:13:05,541 different women every day, so, yeah, 1254 01:13:05,625 --> 01:13:07,583 but we...we had a... we had a good time, 1255 01:13:07,666 --> 01:13:09,708 probably more fun than we were supposed to have. 1256 01:13:09,791 --> 01:13:13,708 We called Jeff Reed the Mayor of the Snake Pit. 1257 01:13:13,791 --> 01:13:16,541 He pretty much was the enforcer. 1258 01:13:16,625 --> 01:13:18,166 If anybody had any problems, 1259 01:13:18,250 --> 01:13:21,041 well, Jeff was the one to go to to take care of the problems. 1260 01:13:21,125 --> 01:13:23,708 He was a big teddy bear that'd have your back 1261 01:13:23,791 --> 01:13:26,916 and he was a trusted friend if you were in his side. 1262 01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,000 You had his back, he definitely had your back. 1263 01:13:29,083 --> 01:13:30,458 He could be like the Incredible Hulk. 1264 01:13:30,541 --> 01:13:32,000 He could be real nice one minute, 1265 01:13:32,083 --> 01:13:33,625 and if you pissed him off, 1266 01:13:33,708 --> 01:13:36,125 he could be very, very mean the next, so... 1267 01:13:36,208 --> 01:13:38,708 There had been times where he had hurt people. 1268 01:13:38,791 --> 01:13:41,166 He was always bigger and badder than everybody else. 1269 01:13:57,041 --> 01:13:59,416 Yeah, that's the van, no doubt about it. 1270 01:13:59,500 --> 01:14:01,333 The one I saw at the Burger Chef that night, 1271 01:14:01,416 --> 01:14:03,708 which I want to make this absolutely clear, OK? 1272 01:14:03,791 --> 01:14:05,708 I always said it was orange, 1273 01:14:05,791 --> 01:14:08,291 but I've learned over the years 1274 01:14:08,375 --> 01:14:12,375 when something is sitting under these parking-lot lights, 1275 01:14:12,458 --> 01:14:15,625 it puts off, like, an orange cast. 1276 01:14:15,708 --> 01:14:17,458 To me, it looked like a rust colour. 1277 01:14:17,541 --> 01:14:19,291 My husband always said it was a light colour, 1278 01:14:19,375 --> 01:14:23,875 but I remember, like, a rust-ish coloured van. 1279 01:14:25,541 --> 01:14:27,875 I think it would have taken a large vehicle. 1280 01:14:27,958 --> 01:14:29,958 It's very likely that something like a van 1281 01:14:30,041 --> 01:14:33,208 was involved in that crime. 1282 01:14:33,291 --> 01:14:38,458 Jeff had a yellow-ish Ford van back in the day that he drove. 1283 01:14:38,541 --> 01:14:40,833 Econoline. I think it was an Econoline van. 1284 01:14:40,916 --> 01:14:42,708 We used it quite often. 1285 01:14:42,791 --> 01:14:45,291 It was nice to have something you could put everybody in 1286 01:14:45,375 --> 01:14:46,875 and take it to one place. 1287 01:14:55,291 --> 01:14:56,500 If they can't even get 1288 01:14:56,583 --> 01:14:58,000 the colour of the van right, then... 1289 01:14:58,083 --> 01:14:59,875 -Wait! -What? 1290 01:15:06,458 --> 01:15:08,458 Light, dark. 1291 01:15:08,541 --> 01:15:11,458 Red, orange, yellow. 1292 01:15:11,541 --> 01:15:13,041 It's the same van. 1293 01:15:14,208 --> 01:15:16,416 They all saw the same van. 1294 01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:19,083 When it came in, it looked dark. 1295 01:15:19,166 --> 01:15:21,333 And then orange because of the light. 1296 01:15:21,416 --> 01:15:24,375 And then yellow as it catches the light 1297 01:15:24,458 --> 01:15:26,291 from the inside of the restaurant. 1298 01:15:26,375 --> 01:15:27,375 Right. 1299 01:15:29,250 --> 01:15:31,916 So in a discussion with Mark Reed 1300 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,583 in regards to his brother, Jeff, 1301 01:15:33,666 --> 01:15:35,000 he does claim that he had a vehicle 1302 01:15:35,083 --> 01:15:36,625 that very closely matches that description - 1303 01:15:36,708 --> 01:15:39,666 a '70s model Ford Econoline, 1304 01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:42,833 a yellow colour but with a red primer as well. 1305 01:15:42,916 --> 01:15:44,583 So especially under certain lights, 1306 01:15:44,666 --> 01:15:47,750 you could certainly mistake it for lots of different colours 1307 01:15:47,833 --> 01:15:48,791 in that spectrum. 1308 01:15:48,875 --> 01:15:50,416 Which makes it very interesting, 1309 01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:51,875 because Allen Pruitt mentioned a van 1310 01:15:51,958 --> 01:15:53,500 that was orange in colour, 1311 01:15:53,583 --> 01:15:56,208 as well as one being that kind of make and model. 1312 01:16:15,083 --> 01:16:17,041 There's supposedly footage, 1313 01:16:17,125 --> 01:16:19,500 that I don't know that any of us have seen, 1314 01:16:19,583 --> 01:16:20,916 while a news crew 1315 01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,000 was filming the Burger Chef following the murders 1316 01:16:23,083 --> 01:16:25,958 where a man that fit the description of the Bearded Man 1317 01:16:26,041 --> 01:16:28,500 was seen in an orange van 1318 01:16:28,583 --> 01:16:31,541 and then out up near the Burger Chef building. 1319 01:16:31,625 --> 01:16:32,916 And kind of as soon as he realised 1320 01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:34,541 the cameras were on him, 1321 01:16:34,625 --> 01:16:36,041 kind of got skittish about being there. 1322 01:16:36,125 --> 01:16:37,833 You know, kind of claimed 1323 01:16:37,916 --> 01:16:40,041 that they really shouldn't get him on camera and took off. 1324 01:16:56,791 --> 01:16:58,583 Well, we hung out at White Castle. 1325 01:16:58,666 --> 01:17:00,125 It was like a hangout 1326 01:17:00,208 --> 01:17:02,458 for everybody in the evenings or whatever. 1327 01:17:02,541 --> 01:17:07,375 And Jeff had came up to me and he seemed a little distraught 1328 01:17:07,458 --> 01:17:10,541 and wanted to...wanted to talk. 1329 01:17:10,625 --> 01:17:12,541 So, he said there was something 1330 01:17:12,625 --> 01:17:14,208 that he really needed to talk about. 1331 01:17:14,291 --> 01:17:16,041 And I could tell by Jeff, he wasn't the type 1332 01:17:16,125 --> 01:17:18,458 that was real loose with his tongue or even, you know, 1333 01:17:18,541 --> 01:17:20,166 worried about anything. 1334 01:17:20,250 --> 01:17:22,458 So I said, "Yeah, well, we can talk." 1335 01:17:22,541 --> 01:17:25,166 We went back to my house at the time, 1336 01:17:25,250 --> 01:17:29,541 and said that he was in some trouble 1337 01:17:29,625 --> 01:17:33,333 and didn't know really quite what to do about it. 1338 01:17:33,416 --> 01:17:35,000 But I think he was more or less 1339 01:17:35,083 --> 01:17:36,916 trying to get it off his chest a little bit 1340 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,958 to relieve some of the, you know, 1341 01:17:39,041 --> 01:17:41,041 what was going through on his mind. 1342 01:17:41,125 --> 01:17:42,833 And I don't know who else he even told. 1343 01:17:42,916 --> 01:17:44,791 I might have been the only one. 1344 01:17:44,875 --> 01:17:46,416 I'm still reluctant to tell you this now. 1345 01:17:46,500 --> 01:17:48,791 But I think everybody that knew Jeff well enough 1346 01:17:48,875 --> 01:17:50,708 knew if you did talk, 1347 01:17:50,791 --> 01:17:53,916 then something bad would happen to you. 1348 01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,583 Like I said, it's been a true... 1349 01:17:55,666 --> 01:17:58,166 ..a true secret that I've held for 40 years. 1350 01:17:58,250 --> 01:18:01,916 And he said, "Well, I had... I was there that night 1351 01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,833 "and...I really don't know what to do." 1352 01:18:04,916 --> 01:18:07,875 So I just kind of stepped back and I didn't know what he meant. 1353 01:18:07,958 --> 01:18:09,250 I just thought maybe he was there 1354 01:18:09,333 --> 01:18:11,541 as, you know, a customer, 1355 01:18:11,625 --> 01:18:14,000 and to my disbelief, 1356 01:18:14,083 --> 01:18:17,041 he actually said that he was... 1357 01:18:17,125 --> 01:18:19,333 ..was the one that was responsible for it. 1358 01:18:19,416 --> 01:18:21,208 I think Jeff knew that... 1359 01:18:21,291 --> 01:18:23,958 ..had possibly drove by and seen her car there 1360 01:18:24,041 --> 01:18:25,583 or whatever and said, "Hey! 1361 01:18:25,666 --> 01:18:28,000 "I know this person owes some money. 1362 01:18:28,083 --> 01:18:31,500 "If I can get it, then all the better." 1363 01:18:31,583 --> 01:18:34,833 And like I said, the domino effect started, 1364 01:18:34,916 --> 01:18:38,500 and it just... it went just south real quick 1365 01:18:38,583 --> 01:18:42,250 when somebody stuck their nose into somebody else's business. 1366 01:18:48,875 --> 01:18:50,458 Hey. 1367 01:18:50,541 --> 01:18:51,666 Guys? 1368 01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:53,250 Look. 1369 01:18:55,291 --> 01:18:56,791 Jeff Reed? 1370 01:18:56,875 --> 01:18:59,166 They're all the same guy. 1371 01:19:01,958 --> 01:19:03,833 The guy Pruitt saw is the same guy 1372 01:19:03,916 --> 01:19:05,750 who confessed to his buddy, Tim Boyer. 1373 01:19:05,833 --> 01:19:08,125 You can ask me when I'm dead and gone, 1374 01:19:08,208 --> 01:19:11,083 if I get sent to hell, I will always say 1375 01:19:11,166 --> 01:19:13,458 it looked like Jeff Reed and Tim Willoughby. 1376 01:19:13,541 --> 01:19:16,458 And I'll never change that. Never. 1377 01:19:16,541 --> 01:19:19,875 And the guy that Jean lady saw driving. 1378 01:19:19,958 --> 01:19:22,750 Yes, I'm certain this is the guy. 1379 01:19:22,833 --> 01:19:25,416 'Cause I have a really good memory for faces. 1380 01:19:25,500 --> 01:19:27,125 You don't forget that. 1381 01:19:27,208 --> 01:19:29,458 And the one the Dunkin' Donuts chick 1382 01:19:29,541 --> 01:19:31,041 said was behind the restaurant. 1383 01:19:32,250 --> 01:19:36,375 Now, out of these pictures... 1384 01:19:36,458 --> 01:19:40,000 ..this one is the one that resembles the Bearded Man 1385 01:19:40,083 --> 01:19:42,750 that came up to us that night. 1386 01:19:42,833 --> 01:19:45,166 I'll never forget the eyes and the nose. 1387 01:19:47,833 --> 01:19:50,208 The person in this 30-second video, 1388 01:19:50,291 --> 01:19:53,333 I cannot say with 100% certainty, 1389 01:19:53,416 --> 01:19:58,583 but he bears a striking resemblance to Jeff Reed. 1390 01:20:02,208 --> 01:20:03,583 He was never charged. 1391 01:20:14,541 --> 01:20:19,375 The person with him was a fellow named Tim Willoughby. 1392 01:20:19,458 --> 01:20:23,250 He said that he went to Burger Chef to collect a debt. 1393 01:20:25,833 --> 01:20:28,875 They owed money to Brett Kimberlin, the Speedway Bomber, 1394 01:20:28,958 --> 01:20:30,666 which was who a lot of us 1395 01:20:30,750 --> 01:20:33,250 were getting our marijuana from at the time. 1396 01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:39,583 While trying to collect the debt, 1397 01:20:39,666 --> 01:20:41,875 an individual came running at him 1398 01:20:41,958 --> 01:20:44,125 in...in a threatening way. 1399 01:20:58,291 --> 01:21:01,791 And I guess Jeff, in his usual fashion, 1400 01:21:01,875 --> 01:21:03,250 knocked him out. 1401 01:21:14,333 --> 01:21:17,041 He thought that he might have killed him. 1402 01:21:17,125 --> 01:21:19,166 And after doing so, 1403 01:21:19,250 --> 01:21:22,791 things started going totally sideways and he didn't know... 1404 01:21:22,875 --> 01:21:25,083 Well, everybody's adrenaline would jump in 1405 01:21:25,166 --> 01:21:28,500 and just straight panic. 1406 01:21:28,583 --> 01:21:31,708 He said they took the guy and put him in the back of the van. 1407 01:21:31,791 --> 01:21:34,625 And at this point, he tried to gather his thoughts, 1408 01:21:34,708 --> 01:21:36,000 looks up, and I guess 1409 01:21:36,083 --> 01:21:38,541 there's all the people in... in the Burger Chef 1410 01:21:38,625 --> 01:21:40,166 staring out the window. 1411 01:21:40,250 --> 01:21:44,750 And so, in the frantic state he was in, 1412 01:21:44,833 --> 01:21:47,000 collects the employees. 1413 01:21:47,083 --> 01:21:49,208 He said he stuck them in the cooler or something there 1414 01:21:49,291 --> 01:21:51,500 to kind of contain them so he could get his thoughts 1415 01:21:51,583 --> 01:21:53,208 on what he was actually going to do. 1416 01:22:04,833 --> 01:22:06,500 The car that was at the Burger Chef, 1417 01:22:06,583 --> 01:22:08,166 they didn't want to leave it there, 1418 01:22:08,250 --> 01:22:10,375 so he called somebody to come pick the car up 1419 01:22:10,458 --> 01:22:12,458 to get it out of sight and sell it. 1420 01:22:12,541 --> 01:22:15,541 We had some people that would chop cars, 1421 01:22:15,625 --> 01:22:17,833 but I don't think that they actually knew 1422 01:22:17,916 --> 01:22:20,166 that it was urgent. 1423 01:22:20,250 --> 01:22:23,958 And during this time, I guess he decided 1424 01:22:24,041 --> 01:22:27,750 that, from what I understand, 1425 01:22:27,833 --> 01:22:30,333 he was going to take them on a ride, 1426 01:22:30,416 --> 01:22:31,750 you know what I mean? 1427 01:22:31,833 --> 01:22:34,083 And take them out to the woods or whatever. 1428 01:22:34,166 --> 01:22:38,000 And his initial thought was to drop them off, 1429 01:22:38,083 --> 01:22:40,125 you know what I mean, just to get away 1430 01:22:40,208 --> 01:22:41,666 and then figure out what to do afterwards. 1431 01:22:42,916 --> 01:22:45,083 And things went sideways 1432 01:22:45,166 --> 01:22:47,666 and I don't know exactly, he didn't tell me what happened, 1433 01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:51,000 but somebody evidently tried to escape 1434 01:22:51,083 --> 01:22:53,375 or assault him or...or something, 1435 01:22:53,458 --> 01:22:57,416 and he ended up having to hurt the people. 1436 01:23:10,750 --> 01:23:13,208 I know the police said... or the reporter had said 1437 01:23:13,291 --> 01:23:15,500 that one of the individuals 1438 01:23:15,583 --> 01:23:17,916 I guess they'd thought had run into a tree 1439 01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,541 and killed himself, and Jeff laughed about that 1440 01:23:20,625 --> 01:23:22,000 and said, "No, it was a Louisville Slugger 1441 01:23:22,083 --> 01:23:24,583 "that he got hit with." 1442 01:23:34,916 --> 01:23:37,625 On the drive back from Johnson County, 1443 01:23:37,708 --> 01:23:39,250 he drove around for a while 1444 01:23:39,333 --> 01:23:43,125 and they put the weapons in a bag 1445 01:23:43,208 --> 01:23:48,250 and dropped it in a field in Hendricks County, 1446 01:23:48,333 --> 01:23:51,458 which...the area where he said 1447 01:23:51,541 --> 01:23:53,750 would be a big retail store. 1448 01:24:04,750 --> 01:24:08,083 I've never seen the police. I never talked to the police. 1449 01:24:08,166 --> 01:24:09,583 They never questioned me. 1450 01:24:09,666 --> 01:24:12,291 From what I understand, they didn't question anybody. 1451 01:24:12,375 --> 01:24:16,083 I've kept this under my hat for 40 years. 1452 01:24:16,166 --> 01:24:17,875 I have kids now, grandkids. 1453 01:24:17,958 --> 01:24:20,666 I believe there is a time for closure 1454 01:24:20,750 --> 01:24:22,166 for the families. 1455 01:24:22,250 --> 01:24:26,625 It was just a bad... a bad day, a bad, bad scene 1456 01:24:26,708 --> 01:24:28,666 that went totally, totally, totally bad. 1457 01:24:28,750 --> 01:24:30,916 The number one killer of people in America 1458 01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,250 is meddling in people's business. 1459 01:24:34,333 --> 01:24:36,708 Like, kind of what happened there. 1460 01:27:26,791 --> 01:27:28,916 It was after 1986 1461 01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,416 Jeff Reed got arrested in Hendricks County. 1462 01:27:32,500 --> 01:27:34,291 I became aware of it. 1463 01:27:34,375 --> 01:27:37,583 Somebody from the jail knew that I was interested in him. 1464 01:27:37,666 --> 01:27:40,000 He didn't have any money. He didn't have any place to stay. 1465 01:27:40,083 --> 01:27:44,416 I got a voucher from a community group 1466 01:27:44,500 --> 01:27:46,708 that puts up travellers and stuff that are destitute. 1467 01:27:46,791 --> 01:27:48,416 Got him a room. 1468 01:27:48,500 --> 01:27:52,125 Picked him up the next morning and bought him breakfast. 1469 01:27:52,208 --> 01:27:55,166 I actually lied to him. I told him I was retired. 1470 01:27:55,250 --> 01:27:57,666 I said, "Hey, I just want to know the answer to this." 1471 01:27:57,750 --> 01:28:00,833 And I went through what I believed happened 1472 01:28:00,916 --> 01:28:04,583 and, you know, accused him of murder. 1473 01:28:04,666 --> 01:28:06,125 Didn't read him his rights. 1474 01:28:06,208 --> 01:28:07,875 I said, "It's gonna be between you and me. 1475 01:28:07,958 --> 01:28:09,541 "I want to know the answer is all. 1476 01:28:09,625 --> 01:28:11,208 "The only reason we're sitting here." 1477 01:28:11,291 --> 01:28:13,208 He never said one word. 1478 01:28:15,791 --> 01:28:19,750 I know if somebody was accusing me of a quadruple murder, 1479 01:28:19,833 --> 01:28:21,500 I would have had something to say. 1480 01:28:21,583 --> 01:28:23,500 He never said a word. 1481 01:28:23,583 --> 01:28:27,000 I gave him a ride to somewhere and dropped him off, 1482 01:28:27,083 --> 01:28:28,958 and I never saw him again. 1483 01:28:29,041 --> 01:28:32,250 I think we've been close. 1484 01:28:32,333 --> 01:28:35,916 We just, we don't have the evidence to prove anything, 1485 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,000 and you don't have... 1486 01:28:39,083 --> 01:28:41,333 ..don't have the forensics to back things up, 1487 01:28:41,416 --> 01:28:44,875 you're just, you're...you're, uh, paddling upstream. 1488 01:28:46,166 --> 01:28:47,750 It's real frustrating. 1489 01:28:47,833 --> 01:28:50,916 But it's not near as frustrating... 1490 01:29:03,708 --> 01:29:05,041 Give me just a second. 1491 01:29:09,458 --> 01:29:12,833 The family members. 1492 01:29:12,916 --> 01:29:15,833 It's more frustrating for them not knowing. 1493 01:29:15,916 --> 01:29:18,250 It's... It's not fair. 1494 01:29:32,666 --> 01:29:34,541 These were children, 1495 01:29:34,625 --> 01:29:37,916 and you just looked at them and decided 1496 01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,625 that their lives didn't matter and took that away. 1497 01:29:41,708 --> 01:29:44,208 My mother used to cry about the fact 1498 01:29:44,291 --> 01:29:47,083 that they didn't just take her daughter away, 1499 01:29:47,166 --> 01:29:49,208 they took all of her grandchildren away. 1500 01:29:49,291 --> 01:29:54,625 I feel that Ruth was just an innocent person 1501 01:29:54,708 --> 01:29:58,625 that...that shouldn't have been in that situation. 1502 01:29:58,708 --> 01:30:02,541 No-one should have been in this situation. 1503 01:30:02,625 --> 01:30:05,083 She just was unlucky enough 1504 01:30:05,166 --> 01:30:07,916 to have been at work that night 1505 01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:11,541 and paid the ultimate price for it. 1506 01:30:13,416 --> 01:30:16,958 I don't know what closure feels like. It's... 1507 01:30:17,041 --> 01:30:18,666 It depends on the day. 1508 01:30:18,750 --> 01:30:21,875 You know, one day, I can be fine, 1509 01:30:21,958 --> 01:30:24,833 and then the weather's gonna change soon 1510 01:30:24,916 --> 01:30:26,500 and it's gonna get colder, 1511 01:30:26,583 --> 01:30:28,375 and then I'm gonna start having nightmares again. 1512 01:30:29,708 --> 01:30:30,625 And... 1513 01:30:32,041 --> 01:30:33,708 So... 1514 01:30:33,791 --> 01:30:35,958 ..then there isn't closure at that time. 1515 01:30:42,166 --> 01:30:43,416 I believe... 1516 01:30:45,041 --> 01:30:46,875 ..I believe the case is solvable. 1517 01:30:46,958 --> 01:30:49,708 40 years is a long time. 1518 01:30:49,791 --> 01:30:53,041 But I do believe that it's possible 1519 01:30:53,125 --> 01:30:54,458 to hold somebody accountable. 1520 01:31:00,833 --> 01:31:02,208 MAN: OK. OK. 1521 01:31:07,208 --> 01:31:09,041 My name's Ginger Anderson. 1522 01:31:09,125 --> 01:31:11,333 I worked with your son at Burger Chef, yes. 1523 01:31:11,416 --> 01:31:12,625 I just wanted to say hello. 1524 01:31:16,375 --> 01:31:19,083 Happy, friendly, loving, kind. 1525 01:31:19,166 --> 01:31:20,958 -Big-hearted. -Yeah. 1526 01:31:21,041 --> 01:31:23,250 -Well, thanks. -Always a smile on her face. 1527 01:31:23,333 --> 01:31:25,833 Wherever life took her, 1528 01:31:25,916 --> 01:31:28,208 it changed the way we lived, though, didn't it? 1529 01:31:28,291 --> 01:31:29,500 It did. 1530 01:31:29,583 --> 01:31:32,458 Changed my outlook on life some. 1531 01:31:32,541 --> 01:31:33,875 Definitely. 1532 01:31:35,125 --> 01:31:36,125 So... 1533 01:31:37,916 --> 01:31:40,125 ..something you just never forget. 1534 01:31:42,125 --> 01:31:45,458 He was very friendly, had a great heart. 1535 01:31:45,541 --> 01:31:48,958 You know, good attitude about life. 1536 01:31:49,041 --> 01:31:52,041 Once, you know, we began going to school together, 1537 01:31:52,125 --> 01:31:56,416 you really get to know a person, and that was my friend. 1538 01:31:59,250 --> 01:32:00,875 He was just a happy kid. 1539 01:32:00,958 --> 01:32:02,541 He woke up smiling. He woke up happy. 1540 01:32:02,625 --> 01:32:04,916 At night he came in from school 1541 01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:06,875 and the first thing he said was, "Hey, Ma!" 1542 01:32:08,750 --> 01:32:11,416 The other two kids were not that way. They were more sober. 1543 01:32:11,500 --> 01:32:13,958 And if you said something to them in the morning, 1544 01:32:14,041 --> 01:32:15,458 they were grumpy. 1545 01:32:15,541 --> 01:32:18,416 But he wasn't. He was just very cheerful. 1546 01:32:39,416 --> 01:32:42,083 December 19, 1977, 1547 01:32:42,166 --> 01:32:45,000 which was her 17th birthday, 1548 01:32:45,083 --> 01:32:48,291 says, "Mom and Dad got me a dress. I'm 17 now. 1549 01:32:48,375 --> 01:32:51,458 "It's hard to believe next year I'll be 18." 1550 01:32:55,875 --> 01:32:58,625 After that, my mom had written, 1551 01:32:58,708 --> 01:33:02,916 "Ruth Ellen Shelton never lived to be 18. 1552 01:33:04,583 --> 01:33:07,333 "I love you and miss you so much." 1553 01:33:13,208 --> 01:33:17,083 You're supposed to find the bad guys. 1554 01:33:17,166 --> 01:33:19,375 That's the way the movie's supposed to end. 1555 01:34:32,958 --> 01:34:35,125 -See you, guys. -'Bye. 1556 01:34:35,208 --> 01:34:36,458 'Bye, Danny. 1557 01:34:38,166 --> 01:34:39,041 Hey. 1558 01:34:43,291 --> 01:34:44,958 -How was your shift? -It was good, man. 1559 01:38:09,958 --> 01:38:11,750 โ™ช Ooh-ee, baby 1560 01:38:11,833 --> 01:38:14,791 โ™ช You set me on fire 1561 01:38:14,875 --> 01:38:19,041 โ™ช Make me want to move towards something real 1562 01:38:19,125 --> 01:38:23,875 โ™ช Happy to see I still have the desire 1563 01:38:23,958 --> 01:38:28,416 โ™ช Of expressing the way that I feel 1564 01:38:29,833 --> 01:38:32,541 โ™ช I'm moving in a circle 1565 01:38:32,625 --> 01:38:35,750 โ™ช Round your love 1566 01:38:35,833 --> 01:38:39,583 โ™ช Moving in a circle round your love 1567 01:38:47,916 --> 01:38:50,083 โ™ช Ooh-ee, baby 1568 01:38:50,166 --> 01:38:52,833 โ™ช You don't understand me 1569 01:38:52,916 --> 01:38:57,666 โ™ช Want you to know how I feel about you 1570 01:38:57,750 --> 01:38:59,000 โ™ช Something going on 1571 01:38:59,083 --> 01:39:02,458 โ™ช To be perfectly honest 1572 01:39:02,541 --> 01:39:06,666 โ™ช I don't know where it's leading me to 1573 01:39:07,791 --> 01:39:10,750 โ™ช I'm moving in a circle 1574 01:39:10,833 --> 01:39:13,958 โ™ช Round your love 1575 01:39:14,041 --> 01:39:17,750 โ™ช Moving in a circle round your love 1576 01:39:54,666 --> 01:39:59,041 โ™ช You got me in the circle 1577 01:39:59,125 --> 01:40:01,125 โ™ช Of your love 1578 01:40:04,833 --> 01:40:08,750 โ™ช You got me in the circle 1579 01:40:08,833 --> 01:40:11,000 โ™ช Of your love 1580 01:40:15,708 --> 01:40:18,750 โ™ช I'm moving in a circle 1581 01:40:18,833 --> 01:40:22,333 โ™ช Round your love 1582 01:40:22,416 --> 01:40:26,416 โ™ช Moving in a circle round your love 1583 01:40:29,125 --> 01:40:31,791 โ™ช Round your love 1584 01:40:33,833 --> 01:40:35,833 โ™ช Round your love. โ™ช 111753

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