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MAN IN FILM:I was speeding
down the road on my motorbike,
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devil on horseback,
way out of sight.
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Good
evening, everyone.
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Tonight is the last
of our series of...
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Having extra
spending money
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for those special occasions can
sometimes be a real problem.
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But I solved it with a
part-time job at Burger Chef.
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At Burger Chef, they
gave me a work schedule
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to fit the hours
that I could work
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and they may be able
to do it for you too.
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And it's fun to work
at Burger Chef!
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Hey.
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Big Shef up!
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Welcome to Burger
Chef. What can I get you?
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Yeah, everybody
behind the counter,
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everything seemed normal.
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Just up there laughing
and joking with them and...
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I mean, just like a typical
Friday night at Burger Chef.
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It was, like, 11:30 or 12:00
and I knew they'd be closing up.
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I get over there to
the Burger Chef and...
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..I don't see nobody.
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Hey, Mama.
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Speedway Police thought
this was just four kids
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who just, like, bailed
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and didn't wanna clean up
after the night.
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So, of course, what'd they do?
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They washed down the restaurant
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and opened it up for breakfast
the next morning.
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The Speedway Police, they
fumbled and bumbled that case
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all the way to hell, man.
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If I had the ability
of hindsight...
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And would I make different
decisions?
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Absolutely.
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I can't do anything about
what was done 40 years ago.
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Alright, bye-bye. I love you.
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Love you.
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I can stay.
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The fact that no-one
has been held responsible
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burns a hole right through me.
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Usually when I start
having nightmares,
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it's...it's getting colder
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and it's just
my heart just sinks.
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And...and I remember
that she's gone.
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On November 17, 1978,
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four employees of
the Burger Chef restaurant
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in Speedway, Indiana
were abducted.
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Two days later,
on Sunday afternoon,
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a person found their bodies in
rural Johnson County, Indiana,
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where they had been murdered.
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Ruth and Danny were both shot
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face down,
execution style.
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Jayne was stabbed twice
in the chest.
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And then Mark was beaten.
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The bodies of
Jayne C. Friedt,
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Mark Flemmonds,
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Daniel R. Davis
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and Ruth E. Shelton
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have been discovered late
this afternoon in Johnson County.
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REPORTER:The crime still
remains unsolved...
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REPORTER:..just hours
after closing time,
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four employees ages 16 to 20...
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They were found murdered
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a few days later
in Johnson County.
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No-one has been
charged with the crime.
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One of
the most infamous crimes
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in state history.
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Somewhere, somebody knows
what happened.
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Speedway's
an interesting town
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because forever,
it's been the home of
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the greatest spectacle
in motor racing
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since, you know, 1912.
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And that was always
the claim to fame.
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The town of Speedway,
named after
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the Indianapolis 500
Motor Speedway.
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In the late 1970s,
all of a sudden
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it was getting rocked
by all this crime
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and all this attention
that was coming to
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this sleepy little suburb.
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This was four young people
who disappeared out of thin air
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and then to be found
so brutally slain
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36 hours later
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just brought up
all kinds of terror
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not only in the community
as a whole
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but for every parent and
every teenage kid out there
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who was making a few dollars
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working at a fast-food
restaurant after school
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that this could happen to them.
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It is still seared into
the minds of the people
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that the bogeyman's
going to come get you.
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Well, in this case,
the bogeyman came
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and took four children away -
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and 40 years later, we
still don't have that solution.
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It put a lot of fear
in everybody -
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the whole community,
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myself and my family.
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I am paranoid in my old age.
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Of course, my paranoia started
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at a young age
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with the Burger Chef murders.
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So I'm not a crazy old woman
with guns.
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I have my guns
for self-protection.
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Ruger .22, long barrel.
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They are all loaded.
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This is where I sit
most of the time,
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so I definitely wanna have
something in reach here.
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And this is my 9mm.
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This is my curly-hair tarantula.
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His name is Chewy.
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Get him!
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It was a...
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..pretty terrifying experience.
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My name's Todd McComas.
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I'm a retired detective with
the Indiana State Police.
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I became a
detective in 1998
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and I was assigned to
the Indianapolis District,
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which is where
this crime happened.
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This case is probably
one of the saddest things
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I've ever seen in my career.
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You know, I'm a dad.
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And you can just imagine
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what their parents
and their family went through
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when they found out that news.
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I think Ruth
wanted to be 18
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just because that 18 meant
you were an adult.
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She was 30 days away
from being 18
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when she was taken.
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Ruth was five years
older than me.
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I looked up to her.
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I thought she was the perfect
picture of a teenager.
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And that's the last memory
I have of her.
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It was only maybe four or five
black kids in the whole school,
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so we kind of
stuck together.
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We rode to
school together,
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we walked home
from school together,
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we hung out together.
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So it was pretty
devastating to me.
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It was just rough, man.
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Wait. Hold on, y'all, hold on.
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Shh, shh, shh.
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You hear that?
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That's the Galaxy
calling out to me.
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"Mark, Mark."
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What's the Galaxy?
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It's the under-21 club
across the street
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where all of Mark's
imaginary girlfriends are.
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OK, Jayne.
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Honestly, nothing good
happens there, Danny.
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You're not missing anything
on anything.
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-Have you been?
-I've heard all about it.
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Don't knock it
till you try it.
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SONG:โช I'll be
lovin' you, girl... โช
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Mark and I had planned
to go to the Galaxy that night
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to play some games,
listen to some music.
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You know, have some fun
and come on back home.
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Once Mark get off work,
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I'mma meet him and we
gonna walk back home because...
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..black kids don't walk
by themself
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in Speedway at night, you know?
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I'm just walking across
the parking lot. It's dark.
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I don't see nobody.
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So I do what I normally do -
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I knock on the door,
because they would let me in.
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No answer.
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Like, "Damn, I just
saw y'all over here!"
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As I go towards
the back of the building,
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I see the back door
laying wide open.
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So I stop.
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I say, "They might be
trying to scare me,
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"hiding behind the door."
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So I'm hollering
in the building.
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"Mark, Mark, Mark! Jayne!"
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Nothing.
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Quiet as a mouse in there.
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I'm like,
"Shit, I'm not going in there."
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So I just turn around
and walk home.
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The cops get here
about half an hour after
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someone comes and
notices we're gone.
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The safe is open.
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$500 in notes are missing
but not the coins.
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Our jackets are gone
from the coat rack
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but my purse and Ruth's purse
are still here.
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The cash drawers are on the
floor and the back door is open.
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A crime scene, right?
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Not so fast.
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The Speedway
Police Department
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immediately dismissed this as
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"Ah, they're just
being teenagers.
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"They probably went out
to that under-21 club,
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"having a good time.
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"They'll be back. Why don't you
go and shut the doors, lock up?
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"And you can open
for business tomorrow."
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A couple days later,
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after they find our bodies
in the woods,
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the police come back and
re-stage the crime scene.
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They take photos
and say they were taken
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on the night we disappeared.
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I don't know if I'd
characterise it as re-staging.
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I know that there was an attempt
to pass off photographs
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as if they were actual
crime-scene photos.
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I worked the Burger
Chef case for the...
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..better part
of 21 years -
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continuously from 1981
through '86
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and then I still had
my hand in it
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from '86 through '99 when I
retired from the department.
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It became common knowledge
amongst all the investigators
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that the crime scene
at the restaurant,
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the Burger Chef, wasn't...
wasn't handled properly.
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Four people missing.
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An apparent robbery.
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There should have been
pictures, fingerprints.
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People should have been
interviewed -
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witnesses and so forth -
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and I don't believe
much was done.
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The part of this case that
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I'm probably
the most familiar with
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is the crime-scene photos.
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When you look at Ruth,
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the first shot
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entered the side of her neck
from the back
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and exited the front.
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You see that in Danny as well.
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The first shots went through
his trapezoid from the back
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and then exited the front.
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Then the killer approaches Ruth,
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puts the gun
to the back of her head
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and ends it.
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And Danny literally is
touching shoulders,
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he's that close to Ruth.
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Turns toward Danny sideways
and puts two shots,
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one in the side of his neck
and one into his jaw.
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And those ended his life.
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When the shots rang out,
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Jayne and Mark bolt.
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Someone grabbed Jayne
from behind,
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reached over and stabbed her
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twice in the chest.
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And on that second blow,
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probably as they went
to the ground,
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it broke off.
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They never found the handle,
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but the blade was
left in her chest.
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So Mark was found
at the base of a tree
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on his back,
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and his hands were like this
above his head.
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And he was positioned
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on a decline.
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Now, the injuries
that he received
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were all through
this area of his face
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and it looked to me
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as if it was almost
one single blow.
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He dropped right where he stood.
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He choked on
his own blood.
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Asphyxiated.
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He died from
a broken nose.
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I think...
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..Mark hit that tree.
259
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These aren't just victims.
260
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That was my sister.
261
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These are real people
262
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with real families,
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with real friends,
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that deserve justice.
265
00:13:59,166 --> 00:14:01,375
Well, I'm chasing answers.
266
00:14:01,458 --> 00:14:03,458
I'm chasing
answers for Theresa
267
00:14:03,541 --> 00:14:05,250
and for the
family members.
268
00:14:05,333 --> 00:14:06,875
They deserve closure.
269
00:14:09,500 --> 00:14:11,375
All these theories
are out there
270
00:14:11,458 --> 00:14:13,333
and at one time had validity.
271
00:14:13,416 --> 00:14:15,000
But the reason they all exist
272
00:14:15,083 --> 00:14:17,041
is there was a lot of crazy shit
273
00:14:17,125 --> 00:14:20,000
going on in Indianapolis
in 1978.
274
00:14:20,083 --> 00:14:23,166
And when you look at them
individually,
275
00:14:23,250 --> 00:14:27,541
they fell in comparison to
this most famous unsolved case.
276
00:14:27,625 --> 00:14:31,041
So whenever something bad
happened to anybody
277
00:14:31,125 --> 00:14:34,291
or anyone threw away a gun
in somebody's yard
278
00:14:34,375 --> 00:14:37,875
or anyone came home with blood
on 'em around that time,
279
00:14:37,958 --> 00:14:41,208
people wanted to connect that
to the Burger Chef murders.
280
00:15:04,708 --> 00:15:06,208
Hey, Mama?
281
00:15:06,291 --> 00:15:08,916
I was just wondering if I
could stay back to help close.
282
00:15:10,875 --> 00:15:12,375
But they need
my help here.
283
00:15:12,458 --> 00:15:13,875
Please.
284
00:15:16,208 --> 00:15:17,583
I know, I know. Um...
285
00:15:19,833 --> 00:15:21,875
Alright. 'Bye, Mama. I love you.
286
00:15:24,125 --> 00:15:25,333
I can stay.
287
00:15:25,416 --> 00:15:26,833
Right on!
288
00:15:31,458 --> 00:15:34,833
I think the answer
is right in our face
289
00:15:34,916 --> 00:15:37,083
and that's what burns me up
the most.
290
00:15:37,166 --> 00:15:40,416
There was a crew of
five guys interchangeably
291
00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:42,500
that were robbing
all the Burger Chefs
292
00:15:42,583 --> 00:15:44,958
up to three weeks
before this one happened.
293
00:15:48,250 --> 00:15:51,416
I am 99.9% convinced
294
00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:54,083
that the original investigators
295
00:15:54,166 --> 00:15:55,750
had the right theory.
296
00:15:55,833 --> 00:15:57,291
The robbery crew.
297
00:15:58,333 --> 00:16:00,791
That that crew are responsible.
298
00:16:06,458 --> 00:16:08,083
One of the more
prominent theories -
299
00:16:08,166 --> 00:16:09,750
even though robbery
was pretty prominent
300
00:16:09,833 --> 00:16:11,416
in Indianapolis
at the time,
301
00:16:11,500 --> 00:16:13,666
is a specific group
from Johnson County.
302
00:16:13,750 --> 00:16:15,791
It was a group of
4-5 guys - they kinda
303
00:16:15,875 --> 00:16:17,875
rotated out which ones
were involved at any given time -
304
00:16:17,958 --> 00:16:20,625
that would rob Burger Chefs
and Kentucky Fried Chickens.
305
00:16:20,708 --> 00:16:23,875
Had a MO similar to kind
of what is theorised happened
306
00:16:23,958 --> 00:16:25,333
at the Speedway Burger Chef
that night.
307
00:16:31,125 --> 00:16:34,166
I got off work at the
Dunkin' Donuts early that night,
308
00:16:34,250 --> 00:16:36,500
somewhere around 11:00,
309
00:16:36,583 --> 00:16:38,125
and I had a little time
310
00:16:38,208 --> 00:16:40,291
before my dad was gonna
come pick me up.
311
00:16:40,375 --> 00:16:42,458
So I called George
to come up there.
312
00:16:42,541 --> 00:16:45,583
We dated...a year and a half?
313
00:16:45,666 --> 00:16:47,250
-Yeah.
-Close to two years.
314
00:16:47,333 --> 00:16:48,375
Right.
315
00:16:48,458 --> 00:16:52,833
Had a lot of
wild and crazy times.
316
00:16:52,916 --> 00:16:55,666
We were gonna smoke
a joint and drink a little bit.
317
00:16:55,750 --> 00:16:58,791
We needed matches
to light the joint.
318
00:17:00,208 --> 00:17:02,500
I looked over
at the back of the place.
319
00:17:02,583 --> 00:17:04,666
The back door was cracked
a little bit.
320
00:17:04,750 --> 00:17:07,083
And I went to the door
and it was open.
321
00:17:07,166 --> 00:17:08,666
Well, I went in.
322
00:17:08,750 --> 00:17:10,875
Just one person that came up
323
00:17:10,958 --> 00:17:12,416
and they gave me
the pack of matches.
324
00:17:14,583 --> 00:17:18,125
George Nichols was the
last person to see any of them
325
00:17:18,208 --> 00:17:19,875
before they were taken.
326
00:17:21,708 --> 00:17:23,500
The robbery crew would
327
00:17:23,583 --> 00:17:25,791
park their car
some distance away,
328
00:17:25,875 --> 00:17:28,041
then they would approach
the restaurant
329
00:17:28,125 --> 00:17:30,208
or the target location on foot.
330
00:17:31,333 --> 00:17:32,791
You
know, we lit up
331
00:17:32,875 --> 00:17:34,875
and that's when them
two guys came down.
332
00:17:34,958 --> 00:17:36,666
I thought they smelled it.
333
00:17:36,750 --> 00:17:38,500
That's why I...
334
00:17:38,583 --> 00:17:41,375
That's kinda what
freaked me out about them.
335
00:17:41,458 --> 00:17:44,333
I remember hearing somebody
clear their throat
336
00:17:44,416 --> 00:17:48,500
and when I looked up,
one of 'em spoke and said,
337
00:17:48,583 --> 00:17:50,791
"You kids need
to get out of here
338
00:17:50,875 --> 00:17:53,875
"because there's been a lot
of vandalism going on."
339
00:17:53,958 --> 00:17:57,625
I thought we were gonna go to
jail, actually, at that point.
340
00:17:57,708 --> 00:18:00,875
I went back inside
to wait for my dad.
341
00:18:00,958 --> 00:18:02,416
-And you walked home.
-Yeah.
342
00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:05,125
The one that did not speak
343
00:18:05,208 --> 00:18:07,250
was tall.
344
00:18:07,333 --> 00:18:09,833
I'd say 6' to 6'2".
345
00:18:09,916 --> 00:18:12,250
Clean-shaven.
346
00:18:12,333 --> 00:18:16,916
The other man was shorter,
maybe 5'8"-ish.
347
00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,375
He had a beard.
348
00:18:18,458 --> 00:18:20,083
Scruffy-looking.
349
00:18:20,166 --> 00:18:22,250
The sketches became known as
350
00:18:22,333 --> 00:18:25,458
the Clean-Shaven Man
and the Bearded Man.
351
00:18:26,750 --> 00:18:28,833
And they took it a step further
352
00:18:28,916 --> 00:18:31,041
and did the clay busts.
353
00:18:36,125 --> 00:18:37,916
Tomorrow, police
are expected to release
354
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,041
two three-dimensional busts
of the men in the composites
355
00:18:41,125 --> 00:18:43,041
hoping this will give
a better indication
356
00:18:43,125 --> 00:18:44,500
of what they look like.
357
00:18:44,583 --> 00:18:47,208
Since the two haven't
come forward,
358
00:18:47,291 --> 00:18:51,541
police are more convinced
thanever that these are the killers.
359
00:18:51,625 --> 00:18:55,875
Based on this young man
and young woman's description,
360
00:18:55,958 --> 00:18:59,250
a couple of these members
of the robbery crew.
361
00:18:59,333 --> 00:19:04,666
S.W. Wilkins looks very much
like the Bearded Man's composite
362
00:19:04,750 --> 00:19:06,833
and Gregg Steinke
looked very much like
363
00:19:06,916 --> 00:19:08,708
the Clean-Shaven Man's
composite.
364
00:19:08,791 --> 00:19:10,458
Almost eerily so.
365
00:19:13,291 --> 00:19:14,791
S.W. Wilkins
366
00:19:14,875 --> 00:19:18,666
did case
that particular Burger Chef
367
00:19:18,750 --> 00:19:20,458
three different times
368
00:19:20,541 --> 00:19:22,708
prior to it
getting robbed.
369
00:19:24,541 --> 00:19:26,041
He was a bad guy.
370
00:19:26,125 --> 00:19:30,083
I mean, he committed a butt-ton
of robberies, armed robberies,
371
00:19:30,166 --> 00:19:32,791
where he put people in fear
for a very long time.
372
00:19:34,375 --> 00:19:36,833
These guys robbed
all kinds of other places,
373
00:19:36,916 --> 00:19:38,250
including Burger Chefs,
374
00:19:38,333 --> 00:19:40,166
but no-one ever got murdered.
375
00:19:40,250 --> 00:19:42,875
So why did these four kids
376
00:19:42,958 --> 00:19:45,500
get taken 25, 30 minutes away
377
00:19:45,583 --> 00:19:48,208
out into rural Johnson County
378
00:19:48,291 --> 00:19:51,000
and executed in the woods?
379
00:19:52,625 --> 00:19:54,291
S.W. Wilkins
380
00:19:54,375 --> 00:19:57,000
worked at a railway
in Avon, Indiana.
381
00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:04,750
Jayne Friedt did at one time
work at that Burger Chef
382
00:20:04,833 --> 00:20:06,375
in Avon, Indiana.
383
00:20:09,833 --> 00:20:11,916
It's quite likely he went there.
384
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,916
Maybe she recognised him
385
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,333
and that made things
turn for the worse.
386
00:20:25,333 --> 00:20:27,541
The problem here is that the
entire case against these guys
387
00:20:27,625 --> 00:20:28,833
is circumstantial.
388
00:20:28,916 --> 00:20:30,583
I don't even
know that guy.
389
00:20:30,666 --> 00:20:33,541
The police say the only reason
he even recognised you
390
00:20:33,625 --> 00:20:35,375
is because he worked
close to where you worked
391
00:20:35,458 --> 00:20:37,291
and probably, maybe, might have
392
00:20:37,375 --> 00:20:39,208
got a sandwich from there
from time to time.
393
00:20:39,291 --> 00:20:41,958
So these guys
arrive on foot.
394
00:20:42,041 --> 00:20:45,083
One of them recognises me, then
what? They have to kill us all?
395
00:20:45,166 --> 00:20:46,500
And then what?
396
00:20:46,583 --> 00:20:50,125
They have to get us 30 miles
away to Johnson County.
397
00:20:50,208 --> 00:20:52,375
If you're
an experienced criminal
398
00:20:52,458 --> 00:20:54,666
and you're gonna have to
399
00:20:54,750 --> 00:20:56,750
take some kids
against their will,
400
00:20:56,833 --> 00:21:00,000
you're probably gonna go to
an area you're familiar with.
401
00:21:00,083 --> 00:21:01,708
Just so happens
402
00:21:01,791 --> 00:21:05,583
S.W. Wilkins
and Gregg Steinke lived
403
00:21:05,666 --> 00:21:08,291
literally just within minutes
404
00:21:08,375 --> 00:21:10,333
of where those murders happened.
405
00:21:10,416 --> 00:21:12,875
They lived in Johnson County,
Indiana.
406
00:21:12,958 --> 00:21:16,666
I'll tell you this - you don't
find that spot by accident.
407
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,208
Get the Fun Village.
408
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,166
This is one of the biggest
mysteries in this case.
409
00:21:29,916 --> 00:21:32,250
They take my car from
the restaurant here...
410
00:21:35,583 --> 00:21:37,333
..presumably to where
they left their car
411
00:21:37,416 --> 00:21:40,083
right by the Speedway
Police Station.
412
00:21:40,166 --> 00:21:42,291
That's a 25-minute walk.
413
00:21:42,375 --> 00:21:43,833
And either they take
one person
414
00:21:43,916 --> 00:21:48,000
in my car to a waiting van
and bring that van back...
415
00:21:48,083 --> 00:21:50,500
..or, like some people say,
we all get in my car.
416
00:21:50,583 --> 00:21:54,250
So two, maybe three
fully-grown men and four kids?
417
00:21:54,333 --> 00:21:55,875
You got a clown car?
418
00:21:58,333 --> 00:22:00,541
It was very common
for the robbery crew
419
00:22:00,625 --> 00:22:03,375
to steal an employee's car
420
00:22:03,458 --> 00:22:07,041
to drive back to where
their getaway car was.
421
00:22:07,125 --> 00:22:10,083
And then they would leave
the employee car there
422
00:22:10,166 --> 00:22:13,500
and drive off
in their car.
423
00:22:13,583 --> 00:22:16,916
The mystery of it is how
does her car end up over by the park
424
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,583
which is just
across the street
425
00:22:18,666 --> 00:22:20,583
from the Speedway
Police Department?
426
00:22:20,666 --> 00:22:23,083
If you're gonna dump a
car, why are you gonna dump it
427
00:22:23,166 --> 00:22:25,916
across the street from
the Police Department?
428
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,375
The key was in my
pocket when they found me.
429
00:22:28,458 --> 00:22:31,208
The driver's side was
locked. I always locked my doors.
430
00:22:31,291 --> 00:22:34,208
Passenger side was open, though.
431
00:22:34,291 --> 00:22:37,250
We do know that her keys
were found in her pocket
432
00:22:37,333 --> 00:22:38,625
at the crime scene
433
00:22:38,708 --> 00:22:40,916
when she was found dead
with the others.
434
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,708
So at some point,
435
00:22:42,791 --> 00:22:44,791
those keys were returned to her.
436
00:22:44,875 --> 00:22:47,625
Look, the cops'
whole case on this is
437
00:22:47,708 --> 00:22:49,958
there were guys robbing
restaurants in the area,
438
00:22:50,041 --> 00:22:51,583
so they must have done it.
439
00:22:51,666 --> 00:22:53,416
So where's the evidence?
440
00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:56,791
It's just frustrating
that we didn't have all that.
441
00:22:56,875 --> 00:23:00,041
As far as a case,
you can have all the leads,
442
00:23:00,125 --> 00:23:02,708
but if you don't have
the evidence to prove it,
443
00:23:02,791 --> 00:23:05,166
you're...you're
just stuck.
444
00:23:06,708 --> 00:23:08,041
Yep.
445
00:23:08,125 --> 00:23:09,041
Here we go.
446
00:24:23,875 --> 00:24:25,333
Hey, Mama.
447
00:24:25,416 --> 00:24:27,375
I've gotta stay back.
We're short.
448
00:24:27,458 --> 00:24:29,333
Someone didn't come in.
449
00:24:29,416 --> 00:24:32,041
I know. OK, Mama.
450
00:24:32,125 --> 00:24:34,291
OK, thanks.
451
00:24:37,333 --> 00:24:38,958
I can stay.
452
00:24:39,041 --> 00:24:40,166
Right on!
453
00:24:44,458 --> 00:24:46,583
I think we had
the right person
454
00:24:46,666 --> 00:24:49,166
and I was convinced enough
455
00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:51,750
that I felt that we had
enough to proceed with prosecution
456
00:24:51,833 --> 00:24:53,333
and get a conviction
457
00:24:53,416 --> 00:24:54,958
on Don Forrester.
458
00:25:00,791 --> 00:25:02,125
You just take it easy now!
459
00:25:02,208 --> 00:25:04,291
You see this?
460
00:25:04,375 --> 00:25:06,500
That says 'Assistant Manager'.
461
00:25:06,583 --> 00:25:08,041
That means I'm your boss.
462
00:25:08,125 --> 00:25:09,833
Well, you're very good
at your job, Jayne.
463
00:25:09,916 --> 00:25:11,791
Um, excuse me, Jayne.
464
00:25:11,875 --> 00:25:14,625
Just to let you know,
I have to be gone by 11:30.
465
00:25:14,708 --> 00:25:15,875
I know, buddy.
466
00:25:15,958 --> 00:25:18,125
We'll have you home in no time.
467
00:25:48,583 --> 00:25:52,125
I came into
the Burger Chef investigation...
468
00:25:52,208 --> 00:25:55,291
..um, in the mid-'80s.
469
00:25:55,375 --> 00:25:58,958
Originally we got the
information from a jail snitch
470
00:25:59,041 --> 00:26:00,958
that wanted to talk to us
471
00:26:01,041 --> 00:26:03,333
about Don Forrester.
472
00:26:03,416 --> 00:26:07,083
Forrester was known
to be a bad guy.
473
00:26:07,166 --> 00:26:09,500
We got a call from him here,
474
00:26:09,583 --> 00:26:12,750
that he wanted to talk to us,
and then...
475
00:26:12,833 --> 00:26:15,250
..said he had some things to say
476
00:26:15,333 --> 00:26:16,875
about the Burger Chef.
477
00:26:18,375 --> 00:26:19,875
He told us details
478
00:26:19,958 --> 00:26:21,708
about the murder scene
479
00:26:21,791 --> 00:26:24,541
and who was shot
and how many times
480
00:26:24,625 --> 00:26:26,916
and who was laying
next to each other.
481
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,125
Told us all that.
482
00:26:33,791 --> 00:26:35,083
Can you
get that in?
483
00:26:35,166 --> 00:26:36,125
Yeah.
484
00:27:33,708 --> 00:27:36,333
This is the badge that
Jayne left at my house
485
00:27:36,416 --> 00:27:38,833
the day she went to work on
the day that she was murdered.
486
00:27:40,416 --> 00:27:42,666
We'd get either
lovey-dovey
487
00:27:42,750 --> 00:27:44,333
or talk about
the day and...
488
00:27:44,416 --> 00:27:46,333
"What are we gonna do
this weekend?" type thing.
489
00:27:46,416 --> 00:27:48,375
But she remarked that day,
490
00:27:48,458 --> 00:27:50,958
"No, I just wanna sit on the
couch and be close and hug."
491
00:27:51,041 --> 00:27:54,375
And I said, "OK, but, you know,
is something going on?"
492
00:27:54,458 --> 00:27:56,166
"No, not really."
493
00:27:56,250 --> 00:27:57,541
I let it go.
494
00:27:57,625 --> 00:27:58,791
I didn't pursue it
495
00:27:58,875 --> 00:28:02,125
'cause time was short
and we had to go to work.
496
00:28:02,208 --> 00:28:04,583
And then I spoke with her
later on that night
497
00:28:04,666 --> 00:28:06,125
and things had turned around.
498
00:28:06,208 --> 00:28:07,833
She was upbeat.
499
00:28:07,916 --> 00:28:10,250
Maybe she was getting off work
in a couple hours or something.
500
00:28:10,333 --> 00:28:11,208
I don't know.
501
00:28:11,291 --> 00:28:13,583
But now, as I look back,
502
00:28:13,666 --> 00:28:15,791
I wonder if something
wasn't going down
503
00:28:15,875 --> 00:28:17,625
that she was worried about
504
00:28:17,708 --> 00:28:20,416
but she just wanted
to be secure in some way
505
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:22,958
about just being close
and holding each other.
506
00:28:23,041 --> 00:28:24,416
Maybe she was
afraid of something.
507
00:28:27,166 --> 00:28:28,916
I called her
508
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,166
later on that evening
509
00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:34,333
and she said, "It's dead,"
510
00:28:34,416 --> 00:28:37,166
which...those words
haunt me to this day.
511
00:29:27,875 --> 00:29:29,541
Some of the contacts
512
00:29:29,625 --> 00:29:32,333
or people that Forrester
had brought up to us was...
513
00:29:32,416 --> 00:29:34,000
..Jayne Friedt's brother.
514
00:29:34,083 --> 00:29:35,375
Jimmy...
515
00:29:35,458 --> 00:29:37,625
I think he was in trouble a lot
516
00:29:37,708 --> 00:29:40,000
throughout his life.
517
00:29:40,083 --> 00:29:42,666
Don Forrester was aware
of him and knew him.
518
00:29:42,750 --> 00:29:45,666
He was an enforcer
for that drug gang,
519
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:47,458
or whatever you
want to call it.
520
00:29:48,625 --> 00:29:50,166
Hello?
521
00:29:50,250 --> 00:29:52,500
-Sorry. What can I get you?
-That's alright.
522
00:29:52,583 --> 00:29:54,125
Hey, could I get a Big Shef?
523
00:29:54,208 --> 00:29:56,083
Of course.
That'll be...
524
00:29:56,166 --> 00:29:58,416
-Please.
-Sweet. Thank you.
525
00:30:15,416 --> 00:30:16,916
Blue? That's new.
526
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,916
I heard orange.
527
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,416
Well, we've heard
a lot of things.
528
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:23,083
I heard orange.
529
00:30:23,166 --> 00:30:25,541
So yellow with a
primer red according to one witness.
530
00:30:25,625 --> 00:30:26,958
Chevy?
531
00:30:27,041 --> 00:30:28,500
It was a Ford.
532
00:30:28,583 --> 00:30:30,833
Snub-nosed
Econoline.
533
00:30:30,916 --> 00:30:33,083
One guy even said
it was a board van.
534
00:32:27,250 --> 00:32:28,541
Get inside!
535
00:32:29,833 --> 00:32:30,666
No!
536
00:32:34,666 --> 00:32:36,416
I was scheduled
to work the 17th.
537
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:38,166
Mark did like me a lot.
538
00:32:38,250 --> 00:32:40,041
There was another boy
working there,
539
00:32:40,125 --> 00:32:41,250
his name was Brian,
540
00:32:41,333 --> 00:32:43,208
and he had asked me out
on a date.
541
00:32:43,291 --> 00:32:45,916
So I called Mark and
I said, "Hey, Mark,
542
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,125
"you know, Brian wants to
take me out on Friday night.
543
00:32:48,208 --> 00:32:49,875
"Would you work in my place?"
544
00:32:49,958 --> 00:32:51,166
And Mark said, "Sure."
545
00:32:51,250 --> 00:32:54,250
Around 4:30,
Mark called me
546
00:32:54,333 --> 00:32:56,291
and he told me that
something had come up
547
00:32:56,375 --> 00:32:58,416
and he couldn't work for me.
548
00:32:58,500 --> 00:32:59,500
I said, you know what?
549
00:32:59,583 --> 00:33:01,375
Mark said that
he was gonna work for me,
550
00:33:01,458 --> 00:33:02,708
so he's gonna work for me.
551
00:33:05,333 --> 00:33:07,750
Now, I did try to
back out of Ginger's shift
552
00:33:07,833 --> 00:33:09,250
at the last minute
553
00:33:09,333 --> 00:33:12,041
and people assumed it was 'cause
554
00:33:12,125 --> 00:33:14,333
I knew the Burger Chef
was gonna get hit
555
00:33:14,416 --> 00:33:15,916
and that my brother
was involved.
556
00:33:19,291 --> 00:33:20,875
I just wanted
to go to the Galaxy.
557
00:33:23,083 --> 00:33:25,000
REPORTER:Flemmonds's
16-year-old son Mark
558
00:33:25,083 --> 00:33:28,291
was the victim now believed
to have forced the kidnapping
559
00:33:28,375 --> 00:33:30,375
by immediately fighting to protect
another of the victims,
560
00:33:30,458 --> 00:33:31,541
Jayne Friedt.
561
00:33:31,625 --> 00:33:33,583
I heard it out of her own mouth.
562
00:33:33,666 --> 00:33:35,291
She said...
563
00:33:35,375 --> 00:33:37,500
I didn't pay too much attention.
"Mark's my protection."
564
00:33:37,583 --> 00:33:39,541
Jayne Friedt said
Mark was her protector?
565
00:33:39,625 --> 00:33:42,375
I heard her say it
at the Burger Chef
566
00:33:42,458 --> 00:33:44,416
when I went there to get
some hamburgers one time.
567
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,291
What did she need
protection from?
568
00:33:46,375 --> 00:33:47,625
Now,
that's the point.
569
00:33:47,708 --> 00:33:49,833
I never even dreamed, you know?
570
00:33:49,916 --> 00:33:52,041
You don't think about
anything like that.
571
00:33:52,125 --> 00:33:53,791
No, I didn't even
think about it at the time.
572
00:33:53,875 --> 00:33:56,666
Friedt was the
restaurant's assistant manager
573
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:58,166
and detectives believe
she may have had
574
00:33:58,250 --> 00:34:00,041
information
about a drug debt
575
00:34:00,125 --> 00:34:01,583
the assailants had gone
to the restaurant to collect.
576
00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:04,583
Later that evening,
577
00:34:04,666 --> 00:34:06,625
we drove by
the Burger Chef
578
00:34:06,708 --> 00:34:08,416
and realised things
weren't quite right.
579
00:34:10,041 --> 00:34:12,583
It was probably around midnight.
580
00:34:12,666 --> 00:34:14,958
And we were driving by.
581
00:34:15,041 --> 00:34:16,958
We see all the lights were on
582
00:34:17,041 --> 00:34:18,833
but Jayne's car was gone.
583
00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:41,083
Brian says, "Let's stop
in and see what's going on."
584
00:34:41,166 --> 00:34:42,583
And I said, "I can't.
585
00:34:42,666 --> 00:34:45,250
"I gotta be home by
midnight or my dad will freak out."
586
00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:47,416
So he dropped me off,
587
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:49,916
and then Brian's the one
that came back to Burger Chef
588
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,500
and realised that
the back door was open
589
00:34:52,583 --> 00:34:55,791
and went in and saw
things weren't...right.
590
00:34:55,875 --> 00:34:59,291
So then Brian
called the manager.
591
00:34:59,375 --> 00:35:02,708
So then the manager
called the police.
592
00:35:02,791 --> 00:35:06,000
It was unusual that Jayne...
the manager's car being gone
593
00:35:06,083 --> 00:35:08,083
and the lights being on
in the restaurant.
594
00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:46,208
We're gonna get
through this, buddy, OK?
595
00:35:47,291 --> 00:35:48,583
God is watching over us
596
00:35:48,666 --> 00:35:50,625
and he won't let
anything bad happen to us.
597
00:35:52,291 --> 00:35:54,500
I spoke to my mom just before.
598
00:35:56,250 --> 00:35:57,666
I asked her if I could
599
00:35:57,750 --> 00:36:00,291
stay back and help close.
600
00:36:00,375 --> 00:36:01,791
So if something bad
happens to me, Ruth...
601
00:36:01,875 --> 00:36:03,166
It's OK. It's OK.
602
00:36:03,250 --> 00:36:04,708
..they'll think
it's their fault.
603
00:36:04,791 --> 00:36:06,208
It'll be OK, Danny,
you'll be back with your mama
604
00:36:06,291 --> 00:36:07,708
again in no time, OK?
605
00:36:07,791 --> 00:36:10,250
This'll all just be
like a bad dream.
606
00:37:32,708 --> 00:37:35,625
We verified
through his ex-wife
607
00:37:35,708 --> 00:37:37,500
that he actually did take her
608
00:37:37,583 --> 00:37:39,833
to the homicide scene
609
00:37:39,916 --> 00:37:43,333
and collect shell casings
610
00:37:43,416 --> 00:37:46,250
that was in a stream
at the entrance to this road
611
00:37:46,333 --> 00:37:48,416
that goes up to where
the children were murdered.
612
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:51,583
He did take those shell casings
to their house
613
00:37:51,666 --> 00:37:54,458
and flushed them
down the toilet.
614
00:37:54,541 --> 00:37:58,833
What he wasn't aware of, though,
that it was on a septic
615
00:37:58,916 --> 00:38:02,291
and they were still
in...in that septic tank
616
00:38:02,375 --> 00:38:04,333
when we recovered them.
617
00:38:05,583 --> 00:38:07,375
Forrester's gun was a .22.
618
00:38:07,458 --> 00:38:09,166
The killer used a .38.
619
00:38:10,625 --> 00:38:12,125
He said he shoved us
in the storeroom
620
00:38:12,208 --> 00:38:15,041
and at least one of us was
tied up with some kind of wire,
621
00:38:15,125 --> 00:38:17,333
but there were no ligature
marks on any of us.
622
00:38:17,416 --> 00:38:18,625
What the heck
is he doing,
623
00:38:18,708 --> 00:38:20,625
going back to the scene
of the crime days later,
624
00:38:20,708 --> 00:38:22,125
with his wife,
to collect shell casings?
625
00:38:22,208 --> 00:38:23,541
They found them
in his poop tank.
626
00:38:23,625 --> 00:38:24,791
Gross!
627
00:38:24,875 --> 00:38:27,125
Look, Pendleton Prison
was tough as hell
628
00:38:27,208 --> 00:38:28,541
and when he started talking
to Willsey,
629
00:38:28,625 --> 00:38:30,041
they moved him
up to Michigan City
630
00:38:30,125 --> 00:38:33,000
and I think he liked it there.
631
00:38:33,083 --> 00:38:35,166
So he confessed to
a quadruple murder
632
00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:36,708
that could get him
in the electric chair?
633
00:38:36,791 --> 00:38:38,041
Listen.
634
00:38:38,125 --> 00:38:40,291
The prosecutor had access
to the confession
635
00:38:40,375 --> 00:38:41,750
but still decided
not to prosecute.
636
00:38:44,416 --> 00:38:46,666
They forced
me to change
637
00:38:46,750 --> 00:38:48,375
what was the truth
638
00:38:48,458 --> 00:38:50,291
and give
them a lie.
639
00:38:50,375 --> 00:38:52,833
If I had did that,
you know,
640
00:38:52,916 --> 00:38:54,708
I would never have
talked to them in the first place.
641
00:38:56,583 --> 00:38:59,958
We had a meeting with
the prosecutor of Marion County
642
00:39:00,041 --> 00:39:02,333
here in
the Sheriff's Department.
643
00:39:02,416 --> 00:39:06,458
We were confused
why they...they didn't proceed.
644
00:39:06,541 --> 00:39:08,250
And like I said,
their excuse was...
645
00:39:08,333 --> 00:39:10,041
..or their reasoning was
646
00:39:10,125 --> 00:39:11,875
that he was already
doing 99 years.
647
00:39:11,958 --> 00:39:14,750
And mine was...
648
00:39:14,833 --> 00:39:16,916
..I think the families
649
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,916
need to know
650
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,583
so they have
some sort of closure.
651
00:39:21,666 --> 00:39:23,250
And...
652
00:39:23,333 --> 00:39:24,916
..it never happened.
653
00:39:26,833 --> 00:39:29,041
There's a reason Forrester
was never convicted.
654
00:39:29,125 --> 00:39:32,708
There are too many
inconsistencies to his story.
655
00:39:32,791 --> 00:39:35,750
He confessed twice and
then took them back both times.
656
00:39:35,833 --> 00:39:37,958
Right. And one of the guys
he named in his crew
657
00:39:38,041 --> 00:39:40,083
was in jail the night
this all went down.
658
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:43,208
I heard that when
he was interviewed
659
00:39:43,291 --> 00:39:44,708
by Marion County cops,
660
00:39:44,791 --> 00:39:46,416
they put him in the war room
661
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:47,958
where all of
the crime scene photos
662
00:39:48,041 --> 00:39:49,666
and evidence were on the wall.
663
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:51,000
He could see it all.
664
00:39:51,083 --> 00:39:53,000
It was poorly done.
665
00:39:54,166 --> 00:39:56,458
I'll just give you an example.
666
00:39:56,541 --> 00:39:59,250
"You witnessed this stabbing
take place?" "Yes."
667
00:39:59,333 --> 00:40:03,125
"How many times was the person
stabbed?" "Once."
668
00:40:03,208 --> 00:40:05,083
"Well, who stabbed her
the second time?"
669
00:40:05,166 --> 00:40:07,333
You know, it's pretty leading.
670
00:40:07,416 --> 00:40:09,750
And by that time,
I thought he'd been fed
671
00:40:09,833 --> 00:40:12,000
a big part of this case anyway.
672
00:40:12,083 --> 00:40:13,625
I'd sit right here today
and tell you
673
00:40:13,708 --> 00:40:15,416
Donald Forrester could
have killed those kids.
674
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:16,833
He was that
kind of person.
675
00:40:16,916 --> 00:40:19,000
He was a coward. He was a liar.
676
00:40:19,083 --> 00:40:20,791
I'm not saying he didn't do it.
677
00:40:20,875 --> 00:40:23,125
I'm saying he never said
anything credible.
678
00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:54,625
Hey, Mama.
679
00:40:54,708 --> 00:40:57,416
I've gotta stay back to help
close. Is that OK?
680
00:40:58,583 --> 00:41:00,208
Alright.
681
00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:01,666
I love you. Bye-bye.
682
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,291
I can stay.
683
00:41:05,375 --> 00:41:06,875
Right on!
684
00:41:28,208 --> 00:41:30,000
Welcome
to Burger Chef. What can I get you?
685
00:41:30,083 --> 00:41:32,750
More,
more, more, America!
686
00:41:32,833 --> 00:41:34,458
The number one
taste you love.
687
00:41:34,541 --> 00:41:37,791
Serving up juicy, terrific
burgers, hot and delicious
688
00:41:37,875 --> 00:41:40,291
with an icy soda
and crispy fries.
689
00:41:40,375 --> 00:41:43,250
You want your Big Shef
some special way?
690
00:41:43,333 --> 00:41:44,583
You'll get it with
our works bar.
691
00:41:44,666 --> 00:41:47,541
Have it your way at Burger Chef.
692
00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:04,666
In order to understand
693
00:42:04,750 --> 00:42:06,791
why the Burger Chef murders
so shook the town of Speedway,
694
00:42:06,875 --> 00:42:07,708
it's necessary
to understand
695
00:42:07,791 --> 00:42:09,250
what was going on here
at the time.
696
00:42:09,333 --> 00:42:11,833
REPORTER:A six-day
bombing spree
697
00:42:11,916 --> 00:42:15,708
rocked the town of Speedway
in early September of 1978.
698
00:42:15,791 --> 00:42:18,416
It left two people
seriously injured.
699
00:42:20,250 --> 00:42:22,500
When we had
the Speedway Bombing
700
00:42:22,583 --> 00:42:25,166
across the street
from the Burger Chef,
701
00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:27,583
Ruth worked that night.
702
00:42:27,666 --> 00:42:29,416
We had bunk beds.
703
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:31,083
And she came home
704
00:42:31,166 --> 00:42:35,208
and that bed shook
all night long.
705
00:42:35,291 --> 00:42:38,041
She was so nervous.
706
00:42:38,125 --> 00:42:40,708
The apartments complex
that we lived in at that time
707
00:42:40,791 --> 00:42:42,458
was called Big Eagle.
708
00:42:42,541 --> 00:42:44,916
Once we got to know Mark
709
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,416
and we realised that we
lived in the same apartments...
710
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:50,416
We're sitting at home one night
711
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:52,166
and, you know,
we're watching the TV.
712
00:42:52,250 --> 00:42:55,333
And I'm like, "I wonder, is
a bomb gonna go off tonight?"
713
00:42:55,416 --> 00:42:57,666
10 minutes later, sure as shit.
714
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:59,041
Boom!
715
00:42:59,125 --> 00:43:02,583
Damn police Speedway
cop car blew up.
716
00:43:02,666 --> 00:43:05,458
On September 6, a gym bag
717
00:43:05,541 --> 00:43:08,250
blew up in the parking lot
of Speedway High School.
718
00:43:08,333 --> 00:43:11,041
Several people were hurt,
including Carl DeLong,
719
00:43:11,125 --> 00:43:12,791
who had to have
his leg amputated.
720
00:43:15,666 --> 00:43:17,333
There was a football game
that night.
721
00:43:17,416 --> 00:43:19,875
We just walked from
the parking lot to the gate
722
00:43:19,958 --> 00:43:24,041
and I heard a loud boom
and I saw the flash.
723
00:43:24,125 --> 00:43:25,958
And thought, "Oh, my God,
what just happened?"
724
00:43:27,833 --> 00:43:29,541
Then I heard
the people screaming
725
00:43:29,625 --> 00:43:31,250
and people running around.
726
00:43:31,333 --> 00:43:35,416
It happened right in here,
in this general area.
727
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:37,125
There was a car parked,
728
00:43:37,208 --> 00:43:38,708
and when that car
backed out and left,
729
00:43:38,791 --> 00:43:40,625
it exposed a gym bag.
730
00:43:40,708 --> 00:43:44,458
And a gentleman,
Carl DeLong, kicked it.
731
00:43:44,541 --> 00:43:47,708
A guy I went to
high school with, DeLong,
732
00:43:47,791 --> 00:43:51,583
his dad kicked the bag
and blew his damn leg off.
733
00:43:51,666 --> 00:43:54,125
REPORTER:The victim
has lost a leg
734
00:43:54,208 --> 00:43:56,000
and later, plagued
by constant pain,
735
00:43:56,083 --> 00:43:57,500
committed suicide.
736
00:43:57,583 --> 00:43:59,791
His wife, she got
burnt real bad.
737
00:44:03,125 --> 00:44:05,500
But I can remember just
listening to people screaming
738
00:44:05,583 --> 00:44:08,625
and just...just chaos.
739
00:44:08,708 --> 00:44:10,291
This guy was
going around Speedway
740
00:44:10,375 --> 00:44:12,375
just bombing the hell
out of places, man.
741
00:44:15,916 --> 00:44:17,458
Jayne,
742
00:44:17,541 --> 00:44:19,666
that night,
when I spoke with her,
743
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:21,541
we talked about the bombings.
744
00:44:21,625 --> 00:44:24,000
But she said, "Yeah,
one of my employees said
745
00:44:24,083 --> 00:44:25,791
"that she thought
that she saw
746
00:44:25,875 --> 00:44:28,208
"Brett Kimberlin go
through the drive-thru."
747
00:44:32,375 --> 00:44:35,375
Brett Kimberlin has always
been in the background,
748
00:44:35,458 --> 00:44:37,541
in the periphery of
the Burger Chef case.
749
00:44:37,625 --> 00:44:41,291
His crimes were so off the
wall and didn't make any sense
750
00:44:41,375 --> 00:44:43,750
just like Burger Chef
didn't make any sense.
751
00:44:43,833 --> 00:44:46,291
You go from Brett Kimberlin
to Burger Chef -
752
00:44:46,375 --> 00:44:49,333
there were a lot of things
happening on that side of town.
753
00:44:49,416 --> 00:44:51,416
Brett Kimberlin...
754
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:55,125
Brett Kimberlin is who
I think is behind all...
755
00:44:55,208 --> 00:44:57,958
If it's drug related,
it's Brett Kimberlin.
756
00:44:58,041 --> 00:45:00,416
REPORTER:Authorities speculate
the bombings were
757
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:03,333
to distract them from
investigating a murder.
758
00:45:03,416 --> 00:45:05,416
The victim,
a Speedway grandmother
759
00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:06,916
who reportedly
had threatened
760
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,333
to blow the whistle on
Kimberlin's drug dealing.
761
00:45:09,416 --> 00:45:11,791
In late
July of 1978,
762
00:45:11,875 --> 00:45:13,875
a man came to see a woman
named Julia Scyphers
763
00:45:13,958 --> 00:45:15,750
about an item
at her garage sale.
764
00:45:15,833 --> 00:45:17,875
The elderly woman was shot
in the head and killed.
765
00:45:19,125 --> 00:45:21,583
Julia Scyphers
was the mother
766
00:45:21,666 --> 00:45:26,041
of a girl that was dating
Brett Kimberlin
767
00:45:26,125 --> 00:45:29,500
and she didn't like
the relationship
768
00:45:29,583 --> 00:45:31,083
and she was wanting her daughter
769
00:45:31,166 --> 00:45:33,125
to break up with
Brett Kimberlin.
770
00:45:33,208 --> 00:45:36,750
And Brett Kimberlin
didn't like that.
771
00:45:36,833 --> 00:45:38,583
And...
772
00:45:40,625 --> 00:45:44,541
I don't know this for sure, but
I think that Brett Kimberlin
773
00:45:44,625 --> 00:45:47,833
had Bill Bowman
kill Julia Scyphers.
774
00:45:49,083 --> 00:45:50,666
Her husband
witnessed it...
775
00:45:52,333 --> 00:45:55,500
..but he died before anything
could be taken to trial.
776
00:45:57,041 --> 00:45:58,875
I think he's evil.
777
00:46:00,791 --> 00:46:02,583
Yeah. He has
no conscience.
778
00:46:04,833 --> 00:46:05,666
Um...
779
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:10,708
But I think even monsters
still feel,
780
00:46:10,791 --> 00:46:13,791
and I don't think he
even has any feelings.
781
00:46:13,875 --> 00:46:17,750
If there's anybody to be
scared of, it's Brett Kimberlin.
782
00:46:17,833 --> 00:46:19,875
Even today.
783
00:46:19,958 --> 00:46:22,000
Hi, guys.
784
00:46:26,083 --> 00:46:27,916
That's alright. I got him.
785
00:46:31,041 --> 00:46:32,625
Didn't expect that one.
786
00:46:33,708 --> 00:46:35,625
Oh, look, there's Ozzie.
787
00:46:35,708 --> 00:46:37,041
Ozzie the pig.
788
00:46:37,125 --> 00:46:38,875
So we have 13 animals.
789
00:46:38,958 --> 00:46:42,791
We have three dogs,
four cats, a guinea pig.
790
00:46:42,875 --> 00:46:45,083
We have a chinchilla,
791
00:46:45,166 --> 00:46:46,750
two hamsters,
792
00:46:46,833 --> 00:46:50,166
a Russian tortoise.
793
00:46:50,250 --> 00:46:53,250
We had two pigeons. They both
died. It was heartbreaking.
794
00:46:53,333 --> 00:46:55,625
We now have them
on the mantle in there.
795
00:46:55,708 --> 00:46:58,625
Uh, we had them cremated.
796
00:46:58,708 --> 00:47:01,208
And we also had another cat
named Rascal
797
00:47:01,291 --> 00:47:03,875
and the damn mail truck
ran over him a few months ago.
798
00:47:03,958 --> 00:47:05,708
Broke my kid's heart.
799
00:47:05,791 --> 00:47:07,791
Um...
800
00:47:07,875 --> 00:47:11,166
So I think that's
the extent of our, um...
801
00:47:12,416 --> 00:47:14,250
..our menagerie here.
802
00:47:17,208 --> 00:47:18,916
REPORTER:Yesterday,
as Brett Kimberlin headed
803
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,000
back to the Marion County Jail,
surrounded by newspeople,
804
00:47:22,083 --> 00:47:23,833
he claimed innocence of
the Speedway Bombings
805
00:47:23,916 --> 00:47:25,166
and promised an appeal.
806
00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:28,958
I was in prison
for 14 or 15 years
807
00:47:29,041 --> 00:47:32,583
over the bombing case.
808
00:47:32,666 --> 00:47:35,791
I had absolutely nothing to do
with the Speedway Bombings.
809
00:47:35,875 --> 00:47:37,750
I did not commit them.
I did not build them.
810
00:47:37,833 --> 00:47:40,625
I did not manufacture them.
I did not detonate them.
811
00:47:40,708 --> 00:47:42,875
I had absolutely
nothing to do with
812
00:47:42,958 --> 00:47:44,333
the death of Julia Scyphers.
813
00:47:44,416 --> 00:47:48,041
I had nothing to do with
the Burger Chef murders at all.
814
00:47:48,125 --> 00:47:49,625
I did not know those people.
815
00:47:49,708 --> 00:47:52,208
I'd never been to
that Burger Chef at all.
816
00:47:52,291 --> 00:47:55,333
That's...that's just
flat-out fact.
817
00:47:55,416 --> 00:47:58,166
It was police
putting this garbage,
818
00:47:58,250 --> 00:48:00,375
lies, false narrative,
819
00:48:00,458 --> 00:48:02,125
'fake news' as they
call it nowadays,
820
00:48:02,208 --> 00:48:04,916
into...into the media.
821
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,250
And they had my pictures
822
00:48:07,333 --> 00:48:09,416
with stories involving
823
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:11,458
the Burger Chef murders
824
00:48:11,541 --> 00:48:14,083
and somehow saying
that I was involved.
825
00:48:14,166 --> 00:48:15,375
It was like 'Twilight Zone'.
826
00:48:15,458 --> 00:48:17,125
I mean, really,
this was 'The Twilight Zone'.
827
00:48:21,416 --> 00:48:24,416
Brett Kimberlin was kind of
a bogeyman in Speedway.
828
00:48:24,500 --> 00:48:27,208
Bunch of folks think
it was him who killed us.
829
00:48:27,291 --> 00:48:30,291
He's a dead ringer for the
sketch of the Clean-Shaven Man.
830
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,208
But there are some problems
with this theory.
831
00:48:39,041 --> 00:48:41,708
It was the '70s and a lot
of people were smoking pot.
832
00:48:41,791 --> 00:48:47,208
And there was a large
market, so I started selling pot.
833
00:48:47,291 --> 00:48:49,291
I didn't have any issues with...
834
00:48:49,375 --> 00:48:51,791
..really with customers
or with...
835
00:48:51,875 --> 00:48:53,916
..police or anything
836
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,666
until this whole thing...
837
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:58,041
..you know, crashed down on me.
838
00:48:58,125 --> 00:49:01,333
But I supposedly became
a suspect in the bombings
839
00:49:01,416 --> 00:49:03,291
and got arrested.
840
00:49:03,375 --> 00:49:05,541
I never got
out after that.
841
00:49:05,625 --> 00:49:07,666
And gave me 50 years.
842
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:10,250
He was shipping
tonnes of marijuana
843
00:49:10,333 --> 00:49:12,333
across international borders.
844
00:49:12,416 --> 00:49:16,666
So why the heck would he deal
dime bags to kids?
845
00:49:16,750 --> 00:49:20,041
The fact that they never
solved the Burger Chef murders...
846
00:49:20,125 --> 00:49:21,875
I'm just floored
847
00:49:21,958 --> 00:49:25,625
that four beautiful kids
could be killed
848
00:49:25,708 --> 00:49:30,291
and no-one would be
held responsible.
849
00:49:30,375 --> 00:49:34,500
You know, he wasn't even in the
gosh-darn papers at this point.
850
00:49:34,583 --> 00:49:36,458
So, how did I recognise him?
851
00:49:36,541 --> 00:49:38,791
And besides,
what was his motive?
852
00:50:01,166 --> 00:50:02,708
I try to force myself
853
00:50:02,791 --> 00:50:07,833
not to think about how she died.
854
00:50:07,916 --> 00:50:09,500
But a lot of times, you know,
855
00:50:09,583 --> 00:50:11,958
I just can't seem to get it
out of my head that,
856
00:50:12,041 --> 00:50:15,291
you know, she was...
laying there,
857
00:50:15,375 --> 00:50:19,666
told to...to lay face down,
and she did.
858
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:21,625
And what was going
through her head?
859
00:50:21,708 --> 00:50:23,083
What was she thinking?
860
00:50:23,166 --> 00:50:26,416
Had they said,
"You just lay down here,
861
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:28,458
"there's a
house over there
862
00:50:28,541 --> 00:50:31,208
"that you can run to, but
you've gotta count to a hundred"?
863
00:50:31,291 --> 00:50:33,500
Or what?
864
00:50:33,583 --> 00:50:38,083
Did she believe that
she was going to be allowed
865
00:50:38,166 --> 00:50:42,625
to go somewhere, but they
wanted to get away first?
866
00:50:42,708 --> 00:50:44,125
And I just...
867
00:50:45,583 --> 00:50:49,125
That's basically my...
my nightmares.
868
00:50:49,208 --> 00:50:51,125
I don't ever...
869
00:50:53,958 --> 00:50:55,333
You know,
870
00:50:55,416 --> 00:50:58,416
I don't ever hear the gunshot.
871
00:51:32,791 --> 00:51:36,708
Hey, Mama, uh,
can I stay and help close?
872
00:51:43,208 --> 00:51:45,333
OK. I love you, Mama.
873
00:51:48,166 --> 00:51:49,541
Uh, I can stay.
874
00:51:50,875 --> 00:51:51,750
Right on.
875
00:52:16,375 --> 00:52:19,583
The only person who ever
came forward and said,
876
00:52:19,666 --> 00:52:23,875
"I was at the Burger Chef
and I saw this,"
877
00:52:23,958 --> 00:52:25,666
was Allen Pruitt.
878
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:29,666
And we can prove beyond any
doubt whatsoever he was there.
879
00:52:30,750 --> 00:52:33,583
In late '80, or early '81,
880
00:52:33,666 --> 00:52:36,208
we were called
to the Marion County Jail.
881
00:52:36,291 --> 00:52:39,375
And a counsellor
said, "Hey,
882
00:52:39,458 --> 00:52:41,750
"there's been an altercation
between Allen Pruitt
883
00:52:41,833 --> 00:52:45,833
"and the brother of one of the
victims from the Burger Chef,
884
00:52:45,916 --> 00:52:49,083
"James Friedt,
and we think you guys
885
00:52:49,166 --> 00:52:50,875
"probably need to talk to
this Allen Pruitt."
886
00:52:50,958 --> 00:52:54,791
And that's how we first
became aware of him.
887
00:52:54,875 --> 00:52:59,833
He told us
a kind of a rambling story
888
00:52:59,916 --> 00:53:02,375
about being at
the Dunkin' Donuts
889
00:53:02,458 --> 00:53:05,375
next door to the
Burger Chef that night.
890
00:53:14,208 --> 00:53:16,708
Well,
I was in a cell block
891
00:53:16,791 --> 00:53:19,958
and one day I heard them
announce over the intercom,
892
00:53:20,041 --> 00:53:22,833
"James Friedt," you
know, "Come to the door."
893
00:53:22,916 --> 00:53:26,833
And I thought, "James
Friedt," you know, I thought,
894
00:53:26,916 --> 00:53:28,916
"I wonder if that's
Jayne's brother," you know?
895
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,875
I kind of recognised him
with that black curly hair
896
00:53:32,958 --> 00:53:34,958
and, you know, beard.
897
00:53:35,041 --> 00:53:38,916
I said, "Are you Jayne
Friedt's brother?"
898
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,791
"Yeah, I am. What about it?"
899
00:53:42,875 --> 00:53:46,958
I said, "Word is,
I heard you got your sister
900
00:53:47,041 --> 00:53:49,916
"and them three other kids
killed up at the Burger Chef."
901
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,958
"Oh, what the fuck
you talking about, man?"
902
00:53:52,041 --> 00:53:54,250
He goes, "Who the hell
did you hear that from?"
903
00:53:54,333 --> 00:53:55,750
You know, what if it is true?
904
00:53:55,833 --> 00:53:58,083
What if he did get his sister
and them kids killed?
905
00:53:58,166 --> 00:54:02,083
Because I heard back in
school days he was a coke dealer.
906
00:54:02,166 --> 00:54:04,708
You know, maybe he got
his sister involved
907
00:54:04,791 --> 00:54:07,541
and some shit went wrong.
908
00:54:07,625 --> 00:54:09,250
Now, what he says he saw,
909
00:54:09,333 --> 00:54:13,041
that's hard...
that's difficult to prove.
910
00:54:13,125 --> 00:54:14,750
Is he telling the truth?
911
00:54:15,875 --> 00:54:17,875
Gosh, I don't...I don't know.
912
00:54:22,125 --> 00:54:23,583
David Adams stopped by,
913
00:54:23,666 --> 00:54:26,000
visited at my mom
and dad's house.
914
00:54:26,083 --> 00:54:28,125
He said, "What do you
want to do tonight?"
915
00:54:28,208 --> 00:54:29,916
I said, "Hell, man,
I don't know."
916
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,750
"Well, let's go get
some damn beer."
917
00:54:31,833 --> 00:54:33,833
David was driving in his Pinto
918
00:54:33,916 --> 00:54:36,041
and I said, "David, I need to
get something to eat."
919
00:54:36,125 --> 00:54:38,416
So we go to
Dunkin' Donuts.
920
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:41,833
His ex-girlfriend
Mary Rein worked there.
921
00:54:41,916 --> 00:54:43,875
Burger Chef looked like
it was already closed,
922
00:54:43,958 --> 00:54:46,625
because they had the big
hamburger man out in front
923
00:54:46,708 --> 00:54:49,083
that they normally lit up
all the time at night,
924
00:54:49,166 --> 00:54:50,416
it was off.
925
00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:52,875
Now, there were lights on
in the restaurant,
926
00:54:52,958 --> 00:54:55,833
but I think a lot of places
they leave lights on like that.
927
00:54:58,541 --> 00:55:00,625
I saw that goddamn van
that night.
928
00:55:00,708 --> 00:55:03,000
And I will never forget
that fucking van
929
00:55:03,083 --> 00:55:06,833
because of the white wheels.
930
00:55:06,916 --> 00:55:08,875
'Cause I'm thinking,
you know, I'm thinking,
931
00:55:08,958 --> 00:55:11,625
"Man, you know,
that looks fucking stupid."
932
00:55:11,708 --> 00:55:14,750
I mean, it just... It always
stood out in my head. Always.
933
00:55:14,833 --> 00:55:16,958
They were bright white.
934
00:55:17,041 --> 00:55:20,291
I remember them wheels
like it was yesterday,
935
00:55:20,375 --> 00:55:22,916
and I remember some kind of
a weird window
936
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,041
on the side of that van.
937
00:55:25,125 --> 00:55:27,958
You know, it was a long
distance, and it was dark,
938
00:55:28,041 --> 00:55:30,625
and just the way
the parking light was shining
939
00:55:30,708 --> 00:55:33,208
it looked like Jeff Reed.
940
00:55:33,291 --> 00:55:35,500
Jeff Reed,
the driver of the van.
941
00:55:35,583 --> 00:55:39,041
He looked like a pro football
player, just buff, big arms,
942
00:55:39,125 --> 00:55:41,750
big chest, big neck,
you know, and I,
943
00:55:41,833 --> 00:55:44,041
"You know, he might be
a helpful buddy to have around
944
00:55:44,125 --> 00:55:45,791
"just for, you know,
protection."
945
00:55:45,875 --> 00:55:47,666
You know, if somebody tries
to whoop on you.
946
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:50,000
Well, I saw this guy
with the door open
947
00:55:50,083 --> 00:55:51,458
on the passenger door,
948
00:55:51,541 --> 00:55:53,416
and I looked
and I thought,
949
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:55,625
"Damn, I know
who that is."
950
00:55:55,708 --> 00:55:57,166
Tim Willoughby.
951
00:55:57,250 --> 00:55:58,500
That was him I saw
952
00:55:58,583 --> 00:56:01,375
on the passenger side
of that van that night.
953
00:56:01,458 --> 00:56:03,583
Tim Willoughby,
I mean, he just...
954
00:56:03,666 --> 00:56:05,583
He was strange-acting.
955
00:56:05,666 --> 00:56:07,291
I mean, if you just
looked at the guy,
956
00:56:07,375 --> 00:56:09,000
you got really
funny vibes.
957
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,333
This is the testimony
of Allen Pruitt.
958
00:56:18,125 --> 00:56:20,541
It says here that Pruitt
was at the Dunkin' Donuts
959
00:56:20,625 --> 00:56:22,208
with his buddy, David Adams.
960
00:56:22,291 --> 00:56:23,833
He's drunk and he feels sick.
961
00:56:23,916 --> 00:56:25,833
So he goes outside for some air
962
00:56:25,916 --> 00:56:30,166
and says he "heard some racket
next door at Burger Chef there.
963
00:56:30,250 --> 00:56:32,041
"And I walked around
to the side of Dunkin' Donuts
964
00:56:32,125 --> 00:56:33,791
"to see what was going on
965
00:56:33,875 --> 00:56:36,041
"and seen the orange van
sitting there."
966
00:56:38,375 --> 00:56:40,125
So this is the guy?
967
00:56:40,208 --> 00:56:42,833
If he wasn't leaning against
the wall of the Dunkin' Donuts,
968
00:56:42,916 --> 00:56:44,541
he'd fall over.
969
00:56:44,625 --> 00:56:47,000
So, it says here
that he named two guys -
970
00:56:47,083 --> 00:56:51,083
Jeff Reed and Tim Willoughby.
971
00:56:56,083 --> 00:56:59,125
So let me get this straight.
972
00:56:59,208 --> 00:57:02,875
Pruitt just happens to
know the two guys who did this
973
00:57:02,958 --> 00:57:05,458
and just happens to be there
when it all goes down?
974
00:57:09,041 --> 00:57:10,125
What's it say?
975
00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:16,791
"Jeff Reed grabbed
the black boy by the back
976
00:57:16,875 --> 00:57:19,125
"and threw him
toward the van..."
977
00:57:22,458 --> 00:57:23,750
"..and went down
and hit his head
978
00:57:23,833 --> 00:57:25,500
"on the back corner of the van,
979
00:57:25,583 --> 00:57:28,166
"and I guess it either killed
him or knocked him out.
980
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:30,458
"Jeff picked him up,
981
00:57:30,541 --> 00:57:32,958
"put him in the back
of the van."
982
00:57:40,958 --> 00:57:43,583
"Tim, Jayne
and the other girl..."
983
00:57:44,750 --> 00:57:46,166
That would be me.
984
00:57:46,250 --> 00:57:49,541
"..walked to the east
side of the building.
985
00:57:49,625 --> 00:57:53,000
"I seen a white Vega
pull out with him driving.
986
00:57:53,083 --> 00:57:55,708
"I seen him as they pulled
out of the parking lot."
987
00:57:55,791 --> 00:57:57,000
My car.
988
00:57:57,083 --> 00:57:58,625
That's my car! I...
989
00:58:08,708 --> 00:58:10,000
Look, the cops said
990
00:58:10,083 --> 00:58:12,375
Pruitt was the only one
who saw what happened.
991
00:58:12,458 --> 00:58:14,625
Right,
but his story's changed
992
00:58:14,708 --> 00:58:16,291
so many times over the years.
993
00:58:16,375 --> 00:58:18,125
One time he said
it might have even been
994
00:58:18,208 --> 00:58:20,708
your brother Jimmy he saw,
not Jeff Reed.
995
00:58:20,791 --> 00:58:23,041
Right, and what about the time
he said there was another car
996
00:58:23,125 --> 00:58:25,125
and two black guys?
997
00:58:25,208 --> 00:58:27,041
So why would Pruitt lie?
998
00:58:27,125 --> 00:58:28,541
Depends
who you ask.
999
00:58:28,625 --> 00:58:30,000
I heard he was a lookout.
1000
00:58:30,083 --> 00:58:31,833
He was in and out of jail too.
1001
00:58:31,916 --> 00:58:33,958
He passed a
dang polygraph.
1002
00:58:34,041 --> 00:58:37,166
OK, so this is where
shit gets crazy.
1003
00:58:40,041 --> 00:58:42,833
Allen Pruitt told us,
about four in the afternoon
1004
00:58:42,916 --> 00:58:44,541
he was at this Dairy Queen
in Avon,
1005
00:58:44,625 --> 00:58:46,625
which was the local hangout.
1006
00:58:46,708 --> 00:58:48,333
The van he had seen
1007
00:58:48,416 --> 00:58:50,375
at the Burger Chef
the night before pulled in,
1008
00:58:50,458 --> 00:58:55,041
and that Tim Willoughby
and Jeff Reed were in the van.
1009
00:58:55,125 --> 00:58:57,625
He said he got in,
and in the back of the van
1010
00:58:57,708 --> 00:59:01,166
was Tim Willoughby's girlfriend,
Mary Ann Higginbotham,
1011
00:59:01,250 --> 00:59:04,125
and that she was dishevelled,
she appeared to be high.
1012
00:59:04,208 --> 00:59:05,833
And he says that Mary Ann
1013
00:59:05,916 --> 00:59:09,041
kept rambling on about them
killing these kids,
1014
00:59:09,125 --> 00:59:11,375
and that they tried to get her
to shoot one of them,
1015
00:59:11,458 --> 00:59:13,625
so she'd be
as guilty as they were.
1016
00:59:13,708 --> 00:59:15,375
They ultimately
got out of the van
1017
00:59:15,458 --> 00:59:16,833
and that Mary
Ann told him,
1018
00:59:16,916 --> 00:59:18,875
"Run, they're gonna
shoot you too."
1019
00:59:18,958 --> 00:59:21,125
And he did. He fled.
1020
00:59:21,208 --> 00:59:22,916
He said there was a gunshot.
1021
00:59:32,041 --> 00:59:34,125
It gets weirder.
1022
00:59:34,208 --> 00:59:37,166
Tim and Mary Ann couldn't
have been in the van.
1023
00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:39,333
They were meant
to be dead.
1024
00:59:41,125 --> 00:59:45,000
Tim Willoughby was
supposedly dead at the time.
1025
00:59:45,083 --> 00:59:47,125
Common thought,
because his girlfriend,
1026
00:59:47,208 --> 00:59:48,750
Mary Ann Higginbotham,
1027
00:59:48,833 --> 00:59:51,500
had been found
in Morgan County, Indiana,
1028
00:59:51,583 --> 00:59:53,750
sealed in a barrel
earlier that year.
1029
00:59:55,375 --> 00:59:58,333
The common belief
was that Tim was dead.
1030
00:59:58,416 --> 01:00:00,333
His body's never been found.
1031
01:00:00,416 --> 01:00:03,958
And to date he's not reappeared.
1032
01:00:07,916 --> 01:00:12,416
They thought that he had
died in June of '78,
1033
01:00:12,500 --> 01:00:14,458
right before
the Burger Chef murders.
1034
01:00:18,541 --> 01:00:19,916
That's crazy, man.
1035
01:00:26,791 --> 01:00:28,125
So, according to this,
1036
01:00:28,208 --> 01:00:29,791
they were there
to collect money from me.
1037
01:00:36,041 --> 01:00:37,291
What?
1038
01:00:37,375 --> 01:00:39,291
Her brother would come up
to visit
1039
01:00:39,375 --> 01:00:45,583
and they would leave the
restaurant and go get high.
1040
01:00:45,666 --> 01:00:48,666
Burger Chef was supposed to be
a drug drop in the bathrooms.
1041
01:00:50,625 --> 01:00:52,166
I was on break
1042
01:00:52,250 --> 01:00:55,375
and I went up and I bought
a hamburger for my lunch
1043
01:00:55,458 --> 01:00:57,750
and I left my wallet
on the counter.
1044
01:00:57,833 --> 01:01:00,000
Went back up, it was gone.
1045
01:01:00,083 --> 01:01:03,083
Six months later,
I'm cleaning the bathroom
1046
01:01:03,166 --> 01:01:06,666
and I look up and I see the
ceiling tile is not straight.
1047
01:01:06,750 --> 01:01:09,291
So I climb up on the toilet
to straighten it up
1048
01:01:09,375 --> 01:01:11,291
and my wallet falls out.
1049
01:01:11,375 --> 01:01:12,291
Oh.
1050
01:01:12,375 --> 01:01:15,333
Could that be the drug drop?
1051
01:01:15,416 --> 01:01:19,208
I don't know the extent
of what was going on.
1052
01:01:19,291 --> 01:01:23,000
I just know that she would
leave with him frequently,
1053
01:01:23,083 --> 01:01:25,208
be gone for
20, 25 minutes,
1054
01:01:25,291 --> 01:01:27,416
and come back
with a whole new attitude.
1055
01:01:29,666 --> 01:01:31,166
It's ridiculous.
1056
01:01:32,958 --> 01:01:35,166
So I was some sort
of drug kingpin?
1057
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,833
Come on!
1058
01:01:39,916 --> 01:01:42,500
Well, what about Jimmy?
1059
01:01:42,583 --> 01:01:45,041
My brother was into some
bad shit with some bad people,
1060
01:01:45,125 --> 01:01:46,708
but I can't believe
he would let me die
1061
01:01:46,791 --> 01:01:48,708
because of a drug debt.
1062
01:01:50,541 --> 01:01:52,083
Jayne had a brother,
Jimmy.
1063
01:01:52,166 --> 01:01:54,583
It was common knowledge
where he would...
1064
01:01:54,666 --> 01:01:57,250
..he would sell drugs.
1065
01:01:57,333 --> 01:01:59,750
Pot or maybe cocaine.
1066
01:01:59,833 --> 01:02:01,958
I hate to say black sheep,
but he was.
1067
01:02:02,041 --> 01:02:04,458
Would she have done
something for him?
1068
01:02:04,541 --> 01:02:07,250
Could she have got hooked up
with...with Jimmy
1069
01:02:07,333 --> 01:02:11,250
and done a favour for him
and sell bags of pot
1070
01:02:11,333 --> 01:02:12,708
or something
through the drive-up?
1071
01:02:12,791 --> 01:02:15,666
Probably.
Because she did love him.
1072
01:02:18,958 --> 01:02:22,666
My theory is
that it was a drug deal...
1073
01:02:24,208 --> 01:02:25,958
..with Jayne's brother.
1074
01:02:27,041 --> 01:02:29,541
There was another side of Jayne.
1075
01:02:29,625 --> 01:02:32,291
She didn't treat
all the employees
1076
01:02:32,375 --> 01:02:34,750
very kindly all the time.
1077
01:02:34,833 --> 01:02:37,083
She could get
pretty angry.
1078
01:02:37,166 --> 01:02:39,166
Pretty, um...
1079
01:02:41,250 --> 01:02:43,625
I don't know what words to say,
and I really feel bad
1080
01:02:43,708 --> 01:02:45,875
about talking bad
about somebody that has passed,
1081
01:02:45,958 --> 01:02:50,875
but she could get
in your face and I've...
1082
01:02:50,958 --> 01:02:54,041
She pointed her finger
in my face a few times.
1083
01:02:54,125 --> 01:02:57,750
At one point,
she left the restaurant
1084
01:02:57,833 --> 01:02:59,500
during working hours.
1085
01:02:59,583 --> 01:03:02,416
It was night, we were closed,
we were cleaning up,
1086
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:04,666
and she was going to walk out
of the restaurant
1087
01:03:04,750 --> 01:03:05,958
for a little while.
1088
01:03:06,041 --> 01:03:08,708
And she got in my face
and pointed her finger.
1089
01:03:08,791 --> 01:03:12,291
"Don't you tell a soul that
I'm leaving, and if you do,
1090
01:03:12,375 --> 01:03:14,666
"I will make your life
a living hell when I get back."
1091
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:18,291
What about your brother?
1092
01:03:18,375 --> 01:03:21,000
He does time for armed robbery
a few years from now.
1093
01:03:21,083 --> 01:03:23,250
And the apartment building
where you live
1094
01:03:23,333 --> 01:03:26,041
is basically a halfway house
for every crook in Speedway.
1095
01:03:26,125 --> 01:03:27,250
Jayne, stop.
1096
01:03:27,333 --> 01:03:29,416
OK, the black guys did it.
Nice.
1097
01:03:29,500 --> 01:03:31,250
When they dusted
my car for prints,
1098
01:03:31,333 --> 01:03:32,833
the only one
they found besides mine
1099
01:03:32,916 --> 01:03:34,708
belonged to a buddy
of your brother,
1100
01:03:34,791 --> 01:03:36,125
so get off your
high horse.
1101
01:03:36,208 --> 01:03:37,250
Guys!
1102
01:03:37,333 --> 01:03:38,916
I'm sorry if this offends you,
1103
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,916
but we keep hearing
this shit about you.
1104
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,666
Is it true?
1105
01:03:42,750 --> 01:03:44,750
-Did you owe people money?
-Hey!
1106
01:03:44,833 --> 01:03:47,000
This is not helping.
1107
01:03:48,958 --> 01:03:51,000
Danny's right, guys.
1108
01:04:00,333 --> 01:04:02,916
We want to believe you,
Jayne, but we keep hearing shit.
1109
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,791
We can't look at
this whole thing
1110
01:04:04,875 --> 01:04:07,541
without looking
at you too.
1111
01:04:07,625 --> 01:04:12,750
But people talk about me like
I was living two goddamn lives.
1112
01:04:12,833 --> 01:04:15,708
I was just trying to work
stuff out like everyone else.
1113
01:04:15,791 --> 01:04:18,541
I just wanna go home.
Just like all of you.
1114
01:04:21,541 --> 01:04:26,166
I'm not just some footnote
in a murder mystery.
1115
01:04:26,250 --> 01:04:29,666
Some curio for people
to speculate about.
1116
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:32,166
"Oh, I knew that girl who died
at the Burger Chef,"
1117
01:04:32,250 --> 01:04:34,041
or, "I took AP Bio
with that dead girl."
1118
01:04:34,125 --> 01:04:35,541
I'm me!
1119
01:04:38,291 --> 01:04:40,541
I feel like that,
a lot of times,
1120
01:04:40,625 --> 01:04:43,708
we hear all about
the bad people's names
1121
01:04:43,791 --> 01:04:47,125
and their lives
and what they were into.
1122
01:04:47,208 --> 01:04:52,416
And then we call
everyone else the victim.
1123
01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:53,666
Um...
1124
01:04:55,625 --> 01:04:57,625
That's not... That's not right.
1125
01:04:57,708 --> 01:04:59,000
They weren't victims.
1126
01:04:59,083 --> 01:05:03,250
They were my sister, Ruth,
1127
01:05:03,333 --> 01:05:06,041
her manager, Jayne,
1128
01:05:06,125 --> 01:05:08,666
Mark and Danny.
1129
01:05:08,750 --> 01:05:11,958
Nobody had 'victim'
across their name tag.
1130
01:05:12,041 --> 01:05:14,791
Why are we notarising
1131
01:05:14,875 --> 01:05:18,166
the people who may have
been responsible
1132
01:05:18,250 --> 01:05:21,375
and forgetting that the people
that they killed
1133
01:05:21,458 --> 01:05:23,500
were real people?
1134
01:05:25,916 --> 01:05:27,916
You know,
I used to wear ankle weights
1135
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,541
under my pants every day
1136
01:05:29,625 --> 01:05:32,333
so I could jump higher
on the basketball court.
1137
01:05:34,375 --> 01:05:36,875
I remember I'd take them off
at the end of the day
1138
01:05:36,958 --> 01:05:38,916
and I felt so light
it's like I could fly.
1139
01:05:40,458 --> 01:05:42,291
Dang, I wish I felt
like that right now.
1140
01:05:44,708 --> 01:05:46,958
Did it work?
1141
01:05:47,041 --> 01:05:49,208
Yeah, but I got cut
from the team
1142
01:05:49,291 --> 01:05:51,000
'cause I wouldn't cut my hair.
1143
01:05:51,083 --> 01:05:52,833
Believe that?
1144
01:06:00,041 --> 01:06:01,583
There's another witness.
1145
01:06:02,708 --> 01:06:03,750
Jean Bland.
1146
01:06:06,291 --> 01:06:08,500
We were driving
down Crawfordsville Road.
1147
01:06:08,583 --> 01:06:10,166
We slowed down
1148
01:06:10,250 --> 01:06:12,833
and tried to kind of see
what was going on.
1149
01:06:12,916 --> 01:06:17,500
And that's when I noticed
a single-file line of kids
1150
01:06:17,583 --> 01:06:20,416
walking to a van
from the side door.
1151
01:06:20,500 --> 01:06:22,541
I see a man in the lead,
1152
01:06:22,625 --> 01:06:24,458
and then there was someone
holding the door open
1153
01:06:24,541 --> 01:06:26,125
for them to walk out of.
1154
01:06:26,208 --> 01:06:29,958
And I told my husband
and my sister-in-law,
1155
01:06:30,041 --> 01:06:32,083
"There's something strange
about that."
1156
01:06:32,166 --> 01:06:34,166
The next morning
we saw the news,
1157
01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:37,791
and he immediately called
the Speedway Police Department.
1158
01:06:37,875 --> 01:06:39,375
Spoke to him one time.
1159
01:06:39,458 --> 01:06:41,833
From that point on,
we never heard anything else.
1160
01:06:44,791 --> 01:06:46,625
Every time they had
an anniversary,
1161
01:06:46,708 --> 01:06:49,625
my husband would call in again
and he'd be like,
1162
01:06:49,708 --> 01:06:52,375
"We seen this.
1163
01:06:52,458 --> 01:06:54,333
"We could tell you
the colour of the van,
1164
01:06:54,416 --> 01:06:56,041
"the description of the person."
1165
01:06:56,125 --> 01:07:00,041
He's like, "Why hasn't
anybody talked to me?
1166
01:07:00,125 --> 01:07:01,875
"We have pertinent information
1167
01:07:01,958 --> 01:07:05,000
"that could have helped you
locate these people."
1168
01:07:05,083 --> 01:07:08,791
She and her husband tried
for years to talk to them,
1169
01:07:08,875 --> 01:07:10,791
but the police
didn't care.
1170
01:07:16,875 --> 01:07:18,500
So it couldn't
have been long
1171
01:07:18,583 --> 01:07:20,541
that they must have
got them in the van,
1172
01:07:20,625 --> 01:07:24,416
he ran out and got in the van,
because they caught up with us.
1173
01:07:26,333 --> 01:07:28,541
I seen the side view,
his profile,
1174
01:07:28,625 --> 01:07:30,375
his hair colour.
1175
01:07:30,458 --> 01:07:32,291
It looked like
he had dark sideburns,
1176
01:07:32,375 --> 01:07:33,750
which could have been a beard,
1177
01:07:33,833 --> 01:07:36,750
'cause I didn't see
the front of his face.
1178
01:07:36,833 --> 01:07:39,208
But they turned right
on Lynhurst,
1179
01:07:39,291 --> 01:07:42,166
disappeared into the night,
and we went on home.
1180
01:07:44,916 --> 01:07:49,416
Was Tim Willoughby alive
November 17, 1978?
1181
01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:50,875
I don't know.
1182
01:07:50,958 --> 01:07:54,041
I know that Allen Pruitt says
that's who he saw there.
1183
01:07:55,166 --> 01:07:57,166
If he's lying about this,
1184
01:07:57,250 --> 01:07:59,833
he needs to have the courage
to come up and say,
1185
01:07:59,916 --> 01:08:01,416
"I heard some yelling
over there,
1186
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:03,666
"but I have no idea
what was going on."
1187
01:08:05,333 --> 01:08:06,875
Maybe I was talking shit,
1188
01:08:06,958 --> 01:08:09,208
you know, because, you know,
I was just pissing them off,
1189
01:08:09,291 --> 01:08:12,625
because all they kept doing was
harassing the hell out of me.
1190
01:08:12,708 --> 01:08:14,291
And, my God, did that
1191
01:08:14,375 --> 01:08:17,583
just make my blood pressure
roll right there.
1192
01:08:17,666 --> 01:08:20,791
I mean, the hell they had put me
and David Adams through,
1193
01:08:20,875 --> 01:08:23,083
almost a year worth
of harassment,
1194
01:08:23,166 --> 01:08:24,916
polygraph tests.
1195
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,250
Because I did not like cops, OK?
1196
01:08:27,333 --> 01:08:28,708
They all acted like,
1197
01:08:28,791 --> 01:08:33,041
"Oh, we know you guys did
it and we're gonna prove it."
1198
01:08:33,125 --> 01:08:34,541
We couldn't afford lawyers,
you know?
1199
01:08:34,625 --> 01:08:35,583
We were poor kids.
1200
01:08:35,666 --> 01:08:36,708
And, you know,
1201
01:08:36,791 --> 01:08:38,041
we were really
getting to the point
1202
01:08:38,125 --> 01:08:39,416
where we was
getting scared
1203
01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:41,208
if we said, you know,
the wrong damn word,
1204
01:08:41,291 --> 01:08:43,375
you know, they're gonna
use it against us.
1205
01:08:45,291 --> 01:08:49,125
I will never, to the day
they put me in a grave,
1206
01:08:49,208 --> 01:08:52,125
I will never forget
that frickin' van.
1207
01:08:52,208 --> 01:08:54,250
Never.
1208
01:08:54,333 --> 01:08:57,791
If there's anything I can do
to help with this case,
1209
01:08:57,875 --> 01:09:00,041
I'm here for that reason.
1210
01:09:00,125 --> 01:09:02,083
We know he was there.
1211
01:09:02,166 --> 01:09:04,500
He's the only person
that ever said,
1212
01:09:04,583 --> 01:09:07,041
"I was there," that we can
prove was at the restaurant.
1213
01:09:07,125 --> 01:09:09,083
If he's got some involvement
beyond that,
1214
01:09:09,166 --> 01:09:14,500
I hope that, before he dies, he
has enough courage to confess.
1215
01:09:17,333 --> 01:09:20,708
Somebody has carried
this... this secret for 40 years,
1216
01:09:20,791 --> 01:09:23,750
and...and it's time.
1217
01:09:23,833 --> 01:09:27,500
It's time to...to unload
that...that secret, that burden,
1218
01:09:27,583 --> 01:09:29,791
and give us that...
1219
01:09:29,875 --> 01:09:32,458
..give us that piece of
information that we need
1220
01:09:32,541 --> 01:09:36,375
to be able to, uh, to hold
somebody accountable for this.
1221
01:10:10,541 --> 01:10:12,625
Hey, Mama, I'm just
calling you to tell you
1222
01:10:12,708 --> 01:10:14,833
that I have to stay tonight.
1223
01:10:14,916 --> 01:10:16,541
Alright.
1224
01:10:16,625 --> 01:10:18,166
OK.
1225
01:10:19,875 --> 01:10:21,666
I love you.
1226
01:10:28,625 --> 01:10:30,000
He had called
1227
01:10:30,083 --> 01:10:32,750
'cause he wasn't supposed
to work till only 10 o'clock.
1228
01:10:32,833 --> 01:10:35,500
That's the state law,
'cause he's 16.
1229
01:10:35,583 --> 01:10:37,875
And he called us and said
1230
01:10:37,958 --> 01:10:42,125
could he work another hour
or so to help her close up.
1231
01:10:42,208 --> 01:10:46,750
And we conferred, said,
"Well, yeah, go ahead."
1232
01:10:46,833 --> 01:10:48,833
'Cause he said, "I want
the money for Christmas.
1233
01:10:48,916 --> 01:10:50,541
"Christmas presents."
1234
01:10:52,083 --> 01:10:53,625
So you kind of blame yourself
for that.
1235
01:10:53,708 --> 01:10:55,041
You know, why...why
did you tell him...
1236
01:10:55,125 --> 01:10:57,458
Why didn't you tell him,
"Come on home," but I didn't.
1237
01:10:57,541 --> 01:10:59,416
And we both agreed,
1238
01:10:59,500 --> 01:11:01,083
you know, for him
to go ahead and work.
1239
01:11:02,250 --> 01:11:03,375
I can stay.
1240
01:12:19,208 --> 01:12:21,500
This is where the rubber
meets the racetrack.
1241
01:12:28,916 --> 01:12:33,583
โช And I often sit and wonder
what we should do... โช
1242
01:12:35,666 --> 01:12:38,000
Back in the 1970s,
we went to the racetrack,
1243
01:12:38,083 --> 01:12:40,000
the track was open
the whole month of May,
1244
01:12:40,083 --> 01:12:41,333
so we had a little clique
1245
01:12:41,416 --> 01:12:43,333
that we called
the Riff Raff Social Club.
1246
01:12:43,416 --> 01:12:45,958
And our whole clique
was race fans,
1247
01:12:46,041 --> 01:12:48,833
and basically
the whole month of May,
1248
01:12:48,916 --> 01:12:50,875
pretty much partied constantly.
1249
01:12:50,958 --> 01:12:53,000
So that's what we did.
1250
01:12:53,083 --> 01:12:56,750
The parties in the Snake Pit
were pretty radical.
1251
01:12:56,833 --> 01:13:00,708
I mean, it was tits and ass
and beer and weed.
1252
01:13:00,791 --> 01:13:03,791
We had a lot of fun and it was
different women every night,
1253
01:13:03,875 --> 01:13:05,541
different women every day,
so, yeah,
1254
01:13:05,625 --> 01:13:07,583
but we...we had a...
we had a good time,
1255
01:13:07,666 --> 01:13:09,708
probably more fun
than we were supposed to have.
1256
01:13:09,791 --> 01:13:13,708
We called Jeff Reed
the Mayor of the Snake Pit.
1257
01:13:13,791 --> 01:13:16,541
He pretty much was the enforcer.
1258
01:13:16,625 --> 01:13:18,166
If anybody had any problems,
1259
01:13:18,250 --> 01:13:21,041
well, Jeff was the one to go to
to take care of the problems.
1260
01:13:21,125 --> 01:13:23,708
He was a big teddy bear
that'd have your back
1261
01:13:23,791 --> 01:13:26,916
and he was a trusted friend
if you were in his side.
1262
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,000
You had his back,
he definitely had your back.
1263
01:13:29,083 --> 01:13:30,458
He could be like
the Incredible Hulk.
1264
01:13:30,541 --> 01:13:32,000
He could be real nice
one minute,
1265
01:13:32,083 --> 01:13:33,625
and if you pissed him off,
1266
01:13:33,708 --> 01:13:36,125
he could be very, very mean
the next, so...
1267
01:13:36,208 --> 01:13:38,708
There had been times
where he had hurt people.
1268
01:13:38,791 --> 01:13:41,166
He was always bigger and badder
than everybody else.
1269
01:13:57,041 --> 01:13:59,416
Yeah, that's the van,
no doubt about it.
1270
01:13:59,500 --> 01:14:01,333
The one I saw at
the Burger Chef that night,
1271
01:14:01,416 --> 01:14:03,708
which I want to make this
absolutely clear, OK?
1272
01:14:03,791 --> 01:14:05,708
I always said it was orange,
1273
01:14:05,791 --> 01:14:08,291
but I've learned over the years
1274
01:14:08,375 --> 01:14:12,375
when something is sitting
under these parking-lot lights,
1275
01:14:12,458 --> 01:14:15,625
it puts off, like,
an orange cast.
1276
01:14:15,708 --> 01:14:17,458
To me, it looked like
a rust colour.
1277
01:14:17,541 --> 01:14:19,291
My husband always said
it was a light colour,
1278
01:14:19,375 --> 01:14:23,875
but I remember, like,
a rust-ish coloured van.
1279
01:14:25,541 --> 01:14:27,875
I think it would have
taken a large vehicle.
1280
01:14:27,958 --> 01:14:29,958
It's very likely
that something like a van
1281
01:14:30,041 --> 01:14:33,208
was involved
in that crime.
1282
01:14:33,291 --> 01:14:38,458
Jeff had a yellow-ish Ford van
back in the day that he drove.
1283
01:14:38,541 --> 01:14:40,833
Econoline.
I think it was an Econoline van.
1284
01:14:40,916 --> 01:14:42,708
We used it quite often.
1285
01:14:42,791 --> 01:14:45,291
It was nice to have
something you could put everybody in
1286
01:14:45,375 --> 01:14:46,875
and take it to one place.
1287
01:14:55,291 --> 01:14:56,500
If they can't even get
1288
01:14:56,583 --> 01:14:58,000
the colour of the van right,
then...
1289
01:14:58,083 --> 01:14:59,875
-Wait!
-What?
1290
01:15:06,458 --> 01:15:08,458
Light, dark.
1291
01:15:08,541 --> 01:15:11,458
Red, orange, yellow.
1292
01:15:11,541 --> 01:15:13,041
It's the same van.
1293
01:15:14,208 --> 01:15:16,416
They all saw the same van.
1294
01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:19,083
When it came in, it looked dark.
1295
01:15:19,166 --> 01:15:21,333
And then orange
because of the light.
1296
01:15:21,416 --> 01:15:24,375
And then yellow
as it catches the light
1297
01:15:24,458 --> 01:15:26,291
from the inside
of the restaurant.
1298
01:15:26,375 --> 01:15:27,375
Right.
1299
01:15:29,250 --> 01:15:31,916
So in a discussion
with Mark Reed
1300
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,583
in regards to his
brother, Jeff,
1301
01:15:33,666 --> 01:15:35,000
he does claim that he had
a vehicle
1302
01:15:35,083 --> 01:15:36,625
that very closely
matches that description -
1303
01:15:36,708 --> 01:15:39,666
a '70s model Ford Econoline,
1304
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:42,833
a yellow colour
but with a red primer as well.
1305
01:15:42,916 --> 01:15:44,583
So especially
under certain lights,
1306
01:15:44,666 --> 01:15:47,750
you could certainly mistake it
for lots of different colours
1307
01:15:47,833 --> 01:15:48,791
in that spectrum.
1308
01:15:48,875 --> 01:15:50,416
Which makes it very interesting,
1309
01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:51,875
because Allen Pruitt
mentioned a van
1310
01:15:51,958 --> 01:15:53,500
that was orange in colour,
1311
01:15:53,583 --> 01:15:56,208
as well as one being
that kind of make and model.
1312
01:16:15,083 --> 01:16:17,041
There's supposedly
footage,
1313
01:16:17,125 --> 01:16:19,500
that I don't know
that any of us have seen,
1314
01:16:19,583 --> 01:16:20,916
while a news crew
1315
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,000
was filming the Burger Chef
following the murders
1316
01:16:23,083 --> 01:16:25,958
where a man that fit the
description of the Bearded Man
1317
01:16:26,041 --> 01:16:28,500
was seen in an orange van
1318
01:16:28,583 --> 01:16:31,541
and then out up near
the Burger Chef building.
1319
01:16:31,625 --> 01:16:32,916
And kind of
as soon as he realised
1320
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:34,541
the cameras were on him,
1321
01:16:34,625 --> 01:16:36,041
kind of got skittish
about being there.
1322
01:16:36,125 --> 01:16:37,833
You know, kind of claimed
1323
01:16:37,916 --> 01:16:40,041
that they really shouldn't
get him on camera and took off.
1324
01:16:56,791 --> 01:16:58,583
Well, we hung out
at White Castle.
1325
01:16:58,666 --> 01:17:00,125
It was like a hangout
1326
01:17:00,208 --> 01:17:02,458
for everybody in the evenings
or whatever.
1327
01:17:02,541 --> 01:17:07,375
And Jeff had came up to me and
he seemed a little distraught
1328
01:17:07,458 --> 01:17:10,541
and wanted to...wanted to talk.
1329
01:17:10,625 --> 01:17:12,541
So, he said there was something
1330
01:17:12,625 --> 01:17:14,208
that he really needed
to talk about.
1331
01:17:14,291 --> 01:17:16,041
And I could tell by Jeff,
he wasn't the type
1332
01:17:16,125 --> 01:17:18,458
that was real loose with
his tongue or even, you know,
1333
01:17:18,541 --> 01:17:20,166
worried about anything.
1334
01:17:20,250 --> 01:17:22,458
So I said, "Yeah, well,
we can talk."
1335
01:17:22,541 --> 01:17:25,166
We went back to my house
at the time,
1336
01:17:25,250 --> 01:17:29,541
and said that he
was in some trouble
1337
01:17:29,625 --> 01:17:33,333
and didn't know really quite
what to do about it.
1338
01:17:33,416 --> 01:17:35,000
But I think he was more or less
1339
01:17:35,083 --> 01:17:36,916
trying to get it off his chest
a little bit
1340
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,958
to relieve
some of the, you know,
1341
01:17:39,041 --> 01:17:41,041
what was going through
on his mind.
1342
01:17:41,125 --> 01:17:42,833
And I don't know who else
he even told.
1343
01:17:42,916 --> 01:17:44,791
I might have been the only one.
1344
01:17:44,875 --> 01:17:46,416
I'm still reluctant
to tell you this now.
1345
01:17:46,500 --> 01:17:48,791
But I think everybody
that knew Jeff well enough
1346
01:17:48,875 --> 01:17:50,708
knew if you did talk,
1347
01:17:50,791 --> 01:17:53,916
then something bad
would happen to you.
1348
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,583
Like I said,
it's been a true...
1349
01:17:55,666 --> 01:17:58,166
..a true secret
that I've held for 40 years.
1350
01:17:58,250 --> 01:18:01,916
And he said, "Well, I had...
I was there that night
1351
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,833
"and...I really don't know
what to do."
1352
01:18:04,916 --> 01:18:07,875
So I just kind of stepped back
and I didn't know what he meant.
1353
01:18:07,958 --> 01:18:09,250
I just thought
maybe he was there
1354
01:18:09,333 --> 01:18:11,541
as, you know, a customer,
1355
01:18:11,625 --> 01:18:14,000
and to my disbelief,
1356
01:18:14,083 --> 01:18:17,041
he actually said that he was...
1357
01:18:17,125 --> 01:18:19,333
..was the one that was
responsible for it.
1358
01:18:19,416 --> 01:18:21,208
I think Jeff knew that...
1359
01:18:21,291 --> 01:18:23,958
..had possibly drove by
and seen her car there
1360
01:18:24,041 --> 01:18:25,583
or whatever
and said, "Hey!
1361
01:18:25,666 --> 01:18:28,000
"I know this person
owes some money.
1362
01:18:28,083 --> 01:18:31,500
"If I can get it,
then all the better."
1363
01:18:31,583 --> 01:18:34,833
And like I said,
the domino effect started,
1364
01:18:34,916 --> 01:18:38,500
and it just...
it went just south real quick
1365
01:18:38,583 --> 01:18:42,250
when somebody stuck their nose
into somebody else's business.
1366
01:18:48,875 --> 01:18:50,458
Hey.
1367
01:18:50,541 --> 01:18:51,666
Guys?
1368
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:53,250
Look.
1369
01:18:55,291 --> 01:18:56,791
Jeff Reed?
1370
01:18:56,875 --> 01:18:59,166
They're all
the same guy.
1371
01:19:01,958 --> 01:19:03,833
The guy Pruitt saw
is the same guy
1372
01:19:03,916 --> 01:19:05,750
who confessed to his buddy,
Tim Boyer.
1373
01:19:05,833 --> 01:19:08,125
You can ask me when I'm dead
and gone,
1374
01:19:08,208 --> 01:19:11,083
if I get sent to hell,
I will always say
1375
01:19:11,166 --> 01:19:13,458
it looked like
Jeff Reed and Tim Willoughby.
1376
01:19:13,541 --> 01:19:16,458
And I'll never change that.
Never.
1377
01:19:16,541 --> 01:19:19,875
And the guy that Jean lady
saw driving.
1378
01:19:19,958 --> 01:19:22,750
Yes, I'm certain
this is the guy.
1379
01:19:22,833 --> 01:19:25,416
'Cause I have a really
good memory for faces.
1380
01:19:25,500 --> 01:19:27,125
You don't forget that.
1381
01:19:27,208 --> 01:19:29,458
And the one
the Dunkin' Donuts chick
1382
01:19:29,541 --> 01:19:31,041
said was behind the restaurant.
1383
01:19:32,250 --> 01:19:36,375
Now, out of these pictures...
1384
01:19:36,458 --> 01:19:40,000
..this one is the one that
resembles the Bearded Man
1385
01:19:40,083 --> 01:19:42,750
that came up to us that night.
1386
01:19:42,833 --> 01:19:45,166
I'll never forget
the eyes and the nose.
1387
01:19:47,833 --> 01:19:50,208
The person
in this 30-second video,
1388
01:19:50,291 --> 01:19:53,333
I cannot say
with 100% certainty,
1389
01:19:53,416 --> 01:19:58,583
but he bears a striking
resemblance to Jeff Reed.
1390
01:20:02,208 --> 01:20:03,583
He was never charged.
1391
01:20:14,541 --> 01:20:19,375
The person with him was
a fellow named Tim Willoughby.
1392
01:20:19,458 --> 01:20:23,250
He said that he went to
Burger Chef to collect a debt.
1393
01:20:25,833 --> 01:20:28,875
They owed money to Brett
Kimberlin, the Speedway Bomber,
1394
01:20:28,958 --> 01:20:30,666
which was who a lot of us
1395
01:20:30,750 --> 01:20:33,250
were getting our marijuana
from at the time.
1396
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:39,583
While trying to
collect the debt,
1397
01:20:39,666 --> 01:20:41,875
an individual
came running at him
1398
01:20:41,958 --> 01:20:44,125
in...in a threatening way.
1399
01:20:58,291 --> 01:21:01,791
And I guess Jeff,
in his usual fashion,
1400
01:21:01,875 --> 01:21:03,250
knocked him out.
1401
01:21:14,333 --> 01:21:17,041
He thought that
he might have killed him.
1402
01:21:17,125 --> 01:21:19,166
And after doing so,
1403
01:21:19,250 --> 01:21:22,791
things started going totally
sideways and he didn't know...
1404
01:21:22,875 --> 01:21:25,083
Well, everybody's
adrenaline would jump in
1405
01:21:25,166 --> 01:21:28,500
and just straight panic.
1406
01:21:28,583 --> 01:21:31,708
He said they took the guy and
put him in the back of the van.
1407
01:21:31,791 --> 01:21:34,625
And at this point, he tried
to gather his thoughts,
1408
01:21:34,708 --> 01:21:36,000
looks up, and I guess
1409
01:21:36,083 --> 01:21:38,541
there's all the people in...
in the Burger Chef
1410
01:21:38,625 --> 01:21:40,166
staring out the window.
1411
01:21:40,250 --> 01:21:44,750
And so,
in the frantic state he was in,
1412
01:21:44,833 --> 01:21:47,000
collects the employees.
1413
01:21:47,083 --> 01:21:49,208
He said he stuck them in
the cooler or something there
1414
01:21:49,291 --> 01:21:51,500
to kind of contain them
so he could get his thoughts
1415
01:21:51,583 --> 01:21:53,208
on what he was
actually going to do.
1416
01:22:04,833 --> 01:22:06,500
The car that was at
the Burger Chef,
1417
01:22:06,583 --> 01:22:08,166
they didn't want to
leave it there,
1418
01:22:08,250 --> 01:22:10,375
so he called somebody
to come pick the car up
1419
01:22:10,458 --> 01:22:12,458
to get it out of sight
and sell it.
1420
01:22:12,541 --> 01:22:15,541
We had some people
that would chop cars,
1421
01:22:15,625 --> 01:22:17,833
but I don't think
that they actually knew
1422
01:22:17,916 --> 01:22:20,166
that it was urgent.
1423
01:22:20,250 --> 01:22:23,958
And during this time,
I guess he decided
1424
01:22:24,041 --> 01:22:27,750
that, from what I understand,
1425
01:22:27,833 --> 01:22:30,333
he was going to take them
on a ride,
1426
01:22:30,416 --> 01:22:31,750
you know what I mean?
1427
01:22:31,833 --> 01:22:34,083
And take them out
to the woods or whatever.
1428
01:22:34,166 --> 01:22:38,000
And his initial thought
was to drop them off,
1429
01:22:38,083 --> 01:22:40,125
you know what I mean,
just to get away
1430
01:22:40,208 --> 01:22:41,666
and then figure out
what to do afterwards.
1431
01:22:42,916 --> 01:22:45,083
And things went sideways
1432
01:22:45,166 --> 01:22:47,666
and I don't know exactly, he
didn't tell me what happened,
1433
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:51,000
but somebody evidently
tried to escape
1434
01:22:51,083 --> 01:22:53,375
or assault him
or...or something,
1435
01:22:53,458 --> 01:22:57,416
and he ended up
having to hurt the people.
1436
01:23:10,750 --> 01:23:13,208
I know the police said...
or the reporter had said
1437
01:23:13,291 --> 01:23:15,500
that one of
the individuals
1438
01:23:15,583 --> 01:23:17,916
I guess they'd thought
had run into a tree
1439
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,541
and killed himself,
and Jeff laughed about that
1440
01:23:20,625 --> 01:23:22,000
and said, "No, it was
a Louisville Slugger
1441
01:23:22,083 --> 01:23:24,583
"that he got hit with."
1442
01:23:34,916 --> 01:23:37,625
On the drive back
from Johnson County,
1443
01:23:37,708 --> 01:23:39,250
he drove around
for a while
1444
01:23:39,333 --> 01:23:43,125
and they put the weapons
in a bag
1445
01:23:43,208 --> 01:23:48,250
and dropped it in a field
in Hendricks County,
1446
01:23:48,333 --> 01:23:51,458
which...the area where he said
1447
01:23:51,541 --> 01:23:53,750
would be a big retail store.
1448
01:24:04,750 --> 01:24:08,083
I've never seen the police.
I never talked to the police.
1449
01:24:08,166 --> 01:24:09,583
They never questioned me.
1450
01:24:09,666 --> 01:24:12,291
From what I understand,
they didn't question anybody.
1451
01:24:12,375 --> 01:24:16,083
I've kept this
under my hat for 40 years.
1452
01:24:16,166 --> 01:24:17,875
I have kids
now, grandkids.
1453
01:24:17,958 --> 01:24:20,666
I believe there is
a time for closure
1454
01:24:20,750 --> 01:24:22,166
for the families.
1455
01:24:22,250 --> 01:24:26,625
It was just a bad...
a bad day, a bad, bad scene
1456
01:24:26,708 --> 01:24:28,666
that went totally,
totally, totally bad.
1457
01:24:28,750 --> 01:24:30,916
The number one killer
of people in America
1458
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,250
is meddling
in people's business.
1459
01:24:34,333 --> 01:24:36,708
Like, kind of
what happened there.
1460
01:27:26,791 --> 01:27:28,916
It was after 1986
1461
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,416
Jeff Reed got arrested
in Hendricks County.
1462
01:27:32,500 --> 01:27:34,291
I became aware of it.
1463
01:27:34,375 --> 01:27:37,583
Somebody from the jail knew
that I was interested in him.
1464
01:27:37,666 --> 01:27:40,000
He didn't have any money. He
didn't have any place to stay.
1465
01:27:40,083 --> 01:27:44,416
I got a voucher
from a community group
1466
01:27:44,500 --> 01:27:46,708
that puts up travellers
and stuff that are destitute.
1467
01:27:46,791 --> 01:27:48,416
Got him a room.
1468
01:27:48,500 --> 01:27:52,125
Picked him up the next
morning and bought him breakfast.
1469
01:27:52,208 --> 01:27:55,166
I actually lied to him.
I told him I was retired.
1470
01:27:55,250 --> 01:27:57,666
I said, "Hey, I just want
to know the answer to this."
1471
01:27:57,750 --> 01:28:00,833
And I went through
what I believed happened
1472
01:28:00,916 --> 01:28:04,583
and, you know,
accused him of murder.
1473
01:28:04,666 --> 01:28:06,125
Didn't read
him his rights.
1474
01:28:06,208 --> 01:28:07,875
I said, "It's gonna be
between you and me.
1475
01:28:07,958 --> 01:28:09,541
"I want to know the answer
is all.
1476
01:28:09,625 --> 01:28:11,208
"The only reason
we're sitting here."
1477
01:28:11,291 --> 01:28:13,208
He never said one word.
1478
01:28:15,791 --> 01:28:19,750
I know if somebody was
accusing me of a quadruple murder,
1479
01:28:19,833 --> 01:28:21,500
I would have had something
to say.
1480
01:28:21,583 --> 01:28:23,500
He never said a word.
1481
01:28:23,583 --> 01:28:27,000
I gave him a ride to somewhere
and dropped him off,
1482
01:28:27,083 --> 01:28:28,958
and I never saw him again.
1483
01:28:29,041 --> 01:28:32,250
I think we've been close.
1484
01:28:32,333 --> 01:28:35,916
We just, we don't have the
evidence to prove anything,
1485
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,000
and you don't have...
1486
01:28:39,083 --> 01:28:41,333
..don't have the forensics
to back things up,
1487
01:28:41,416 --> 01:28:44,875
you're just, you're...you're,
uh, paddling upstream.
1488
01:28:46,166 --> 01:28:47,750
It's real frustrating.
1489
01:28:47,833 --> 01:28:50,916
But it's not near
as frustrating...
1490
01:29:03,708 --> 01:29:05,041
Give me just a second.
1491
01:29:09,458 --> 01:29:12,833
The family members.
1492
01:29:12,916 --> 01:29:15,833
It's more frustrating
for them not knowing.
1493
01:29:15,916 --> 01:29:18,250
It's... It's not fair.
1494
01:29:32,666 --> 01:29:34,541
These were children,
1495
01:29:34,625 --> 01:29:37,916
and you just looked at them
and decided
1496
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,625
that their lives didn't matter
and took that away.
1497
01:29:41,708 --> 01:29:44,208
My mother used to cry
about the fact
1498
01:29:44,291 --> 01:29:47,083
that they didn't just take
her daughter away,
1499
01:29:47,166 --> 01:29:49,208
they took all of
her grandchildren away.
1500
01:29:49,291 --> 01:29:54,625
I feel that Ruth
was just an innocent person
1501
01:29:54,708 --> 01:29:58,625
that...that shouldn't have
been in that situation.
1502
01:29:58,708 --> 01:30:02,541
No-one should have been
in this situation.
1503
01:30:02,625 --> 01:30:05,083
She just was
unlucky enough
1504
01:30:05,166 --> 01:30:07,916
to have been at work that night
1505
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:11,541
and paid the ultimate price
for it.
1506
01:30:13,416 --> 01:30:16,958
I don't know what closure
feels like. It's...
1507
01:30:17,041 --> 01:30:18,666
It depends on the day.
1508
01:30:18,750 --> 01:30:21,875
You know, one day,
I can be fine,
1509
01:30:21,958 --> 01:30:24,833
and then the weather's
gonna change soon
1510
01:30:24,916 --> 01:30:26,500
and it's gonna get colder,
1511
01:30:26,583 --> 01:30:28,375
and then I'm gonna start
having nightmares again.
1512
01:30:29,708 --> 01:30:30,625
And...
1513
01:30:32,041 --> 01:30:33,708
So...
1514
01:30:33,791 --> 01:30:35,958
..then there isn't closure
at that time.
1515
01:30:42,166 --> 01:30:43,416
I believe...
1516
01:30:45,041 --> 01:30:46,875
..I believe the case
is solvable.
1517
01:30:46,958 --> 01:30:49,708
40 years is a long time.
1518
01:30:49,791 --> 01:30:53,041
But I do believe
that it's possible
1519
01:30:53,125 --> 01:30:54,458
to hold somebody accountable.
1520
01:31:00,833 --> 01:31:02,208
MAN: OK. OK.
1521
01:31:07,208 --> 01:31:09,041
My name's Ginger Anderson.
1522
01:31:09,125 --> 01:31:11,333
I worked with your son
at Burger Chef, yes.
1523
01:31:11,416 --> 01:31:12,625
I just wanted
to say hello.
1524
01:31:16,375 --> 01:31:19,083
Happy, friendly,
loving, kind.
1525
01:31:19,166 --> 01:31:20,958
-Big-hearted.
-Yeah.
1526
01:31:21,041 --> 01:31:23,250
-Well, thanks.
-Always a smile on her face.
1527
01:31:23,333 --> 01:31:25,833
Wherever life took her,
1528
01:31:25,916 --> 01:31:28,208
it changed the way we lived,
though, didn't it?
1529
01:31:28,291 --> 01:31:29,500
It did.
1530
01:31:29,583 --> 01:31:32,458
Changed my outlook on life some.
1531
01:31:32,541 --> 01:31:33,875
Definitely.
1532
01:31:35,125 --> 01:31:36,125
So...
1533
01:31:37,916 --> 01:31:40,125
..something you just
never forget.
1534
01:31:42,125 --> 01:31:45,458
He was very friendly,
had a great heart.
1535
01:31:45,541 --> 01:31:48,958
You know, good attitude
about life.
1536
01:31:49,041 --> 01:31:52,041
Once, you know, we began
going to school together,
1537
01:31:52,125 --> 01:31:56,416
you really get to know a person,
and that was my friend.
1538
01:31:59,250 --> 01:32:00,875
He was just a happy kid.
1539
01:32:00,958 --> 01:32:02,541
He woke up smiling.
He woke up happy.
1540
01:32:02,625 --> 01:32:04,916
At night he came in from school
1541
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:06,875
and the first thing he said
was, "Hey, Ma!"
1542
01:32:08,750 --> 01:32:11,416
The other two kids were not
that way. They were more sober.
1543
01:32:11,500 --> 01:32:13,958
And if you said something
to them in the morning,
1544
01:32:14,041 --> 01:32:15,458
they were grumpy.
1545
01:32:15,541 --> 01:32:18,416
But he wasn't.
He was just very cheerful.
1546
01:32:39,416 --> 01:32:42,083
December
19, 1977,
1547
01:32:42,166 --> 01:32:45,000
which was her 17th birthday,
1548
01:32:45,083 --> 01:32:48,291
says, "Mom and Dad
got me a dress. I'm 17 now.
1549
01:32:48,375 --> 01:32:51,458
"It's hard to believe
next year I'll be 18."
1550
01:32:55,875 --> 01:32:58,625
After that, my mom had written,
1551
01:32:58,708 --> 01:33:02,916
"Ruth Ellen Shelton
never lived to be 18.
1552
01:33:04,583 --> 01:33:07,333
"I love you
and miss you so much."
1553
01:33:13,208 --> 01:33:17,083
You're supposed to find
the bad guys.
1554
01:33:17,166 --> 01:33:19,375
That's the way
the movie's supposed to end.
1555
01:34:32,958 --> 01:34:35,125
-See you, guys.
-'Bye.
1556
01:34:35,208 --> 01:34:36,458
'Bye, Danny.
1557
01:34:38,166 --> 01:34:39,041
Hey.
1558
01:34:43,291 --> 01:34:44,958
-How was your shift?
-It was good, man.
1559
01:38:09,958 --> 01:38:11,750
โช Ooh-ee, baby
1560
01:38:11,833 --> 01:38:14,791
โช You set me on fire
1561
01:38:14,875 --> 01:38:19,041
โช Make me want to move
towards something real
1562
01:38:19,125 --> 01:38:23,875
โช Happy to see
I still have the desire
1563
01:38:23,958 --> 01:38:28,416
โช Of expressing
the way that I feel
1564
01:38:29,833 --> 01:38:32,541
โช I'm moving in a circle
1565
01:38:32,625 --> 01:38:35,750
โช Round your love
1566
01:38:35,833 --> 01:38:39,583
โช Moving in a circle
round your love
1567
01:38:47,916 --> 01:38:50,083
โช Ooh-ee, baby
1568
01:38:50,166 --> 01:38:52,833
โช You don't understand me
1569
01:38:52,916 --> 01:38:57,666
โช Want you to know
how I feel about you
1570
01:38:57,750 --> 01:38:59,000
โช Something going on
1571
01:38:59,083 --> 01:39:02,458
โช To be perfectly honest
1572
01:39:02,541 --> 01:39:06,666
โช I don't know
where it's leading me to
1573
01:39:07,791 --> 01:39:10,750
โช I'm moving in a circle
1574
01:39:10,833 --> 01:39:13,958
โช Round your love
1575
01:39:14,041 --> 01:39:17,750
โช Moving in a circle
round your love
1576
01:39:54,666 --> 01:39:59,041
โช You got me in the circle
1577
01:39:59,125 --> 01:40:01,125
โช Of your love
1578
01:40:04,833 --> 01:40:08,750
โช You got me in the circle
1579
01:40:08,833 --> 01:40:11,000
โช Of your love
1580
01:40:15,708 --> 01:40:18,750
โช I'm moving in a circle
1581
01:40:18,833 --> 01:40:22,333
โช Round your love
1582
01:40:22,416 --> 01:40:26,416
โช Moving in a circle
round your love
1583
01:40:29,125 --> 01:40:31,791
โช Round your love
1584
01:40:33,833 --> 01:40:35,833
โช Round your love. โช
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