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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,480 [Donald Trump] Citizen Kane was really about accumulation, 2 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,880 and at the end of the accumulation you see what happens, 3 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,160 and it’s not necessarily all positive. 4 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,120 I think he learned in Kane that maybe wealth isn't everything, 5 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,800 because he had the wealth, but he didn’t have the happiness. 6 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,720 The table getting larger and larger and larger... 7 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,480 with he and his wife getting further and further apart... 8 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,920 as he got wealthier and wealthier. 9 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,880 Perhaps, I can understand that. 10 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,760 [male interviewer] Now, if you could give Charles Foster Kane advice, 11 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,200 what would you say to him? 12 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,440 Get yourself a different woman. 13 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,257 -[woman] Hey. -[man] I definitely had it. 14 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,480 [Nikki Haskell] You know, it was very strange. 15 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,306 I kept hearing Donald was cheating on Ivana, but I never believed it. 16 00:01:37,506 --> 00:01:41,240 It just, like... didn’t seem possible that that could happen. 17 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,160 I actually got in a couple of fights with people. 18 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:49,400 "You don’t know what you're talking about. Don’t be ridiculous." 19 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:51,880 So, I told Ivana. 20 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,680 We had had lunch at the Russian Tea Room 21 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,480 and she said, "Well, let's call him." 22 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,240 [telephone ringing] 23 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,200 Then she said, "Nicky has something she wants to tell you." 24 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,400 And I proudly got on the phone... and I told him. 25 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,880 [inaudible dialogue] 26 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,640 He goes, "That's so sweet of you. I really appreciate you calling me. 27 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,400 And I appreciate you taking the time." And you know, "This could never happen." 28 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,240 And he just totally denied it. 29 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,600 But very calm, "Thank you so much for defending me." 30 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:37,440 Uh... 31 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:39,880 "You're really a great friend, Nicky." 32 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,120 So long. 33 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:07,320 Why would he ever have his girlfriend in the lodge 34 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,480 when his wife and kids were on the mountain with him? 35 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:11,800 It just makes no sense. 36 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,720 [Haskell] I was talking to a girlfriend of mine in Aspen. 37 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,960 She goes, "Oh, my God, you are not going to believe what's happening. 38 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,600 Ivana is on the ski lift and she's there with Donald 39 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,800 and Marla Maples, this girl, you know, he's been going with." 40 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,080 And I'm like, "What?" 41 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,600 She's, like, attacking Ivana on the slopes, saying to her, 42 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,320 "I want your husband and he's not in love with you." 43 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,600 And she's crying. And I'm like, "What? What are you telling me?" 44 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,240 [Sue Carswell] I remember feeling sorry for Ivana. 45 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,080 She had been sucker-punched on the slopes in Aspen. 46 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,080 [Dick Clark] Fifteen seconds from now... 47 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,240 -it'll be 1990. -[crowd cheers] 48 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:11,600 Five, four, three, two, one... Happy New Year! 49 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,040 [crowd cheers] 50 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:23,800 I would say that the Trump fiasco really started the '90s off. 51 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,280 My editor called me in and said, "We want you to cover the Trump beat." 52 00:04:30,567 --> 00:04:33,000 [male reporter] When New Yorkers pick up their tabloids, 53 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,360 The Daily News and The Post, each morning, 54 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,680 they expect the headlines to pack a wallop. 55 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,880 [Haskell] Everything seemed to be fine. 56 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,600 They weren’t fighting. I thought it was just going to blow over. 57 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,360 And then Liz Smith got it, called her, or she called her, and that was it. 58 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,280 [inaudible dialogue] 59 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:00,760 One day... 60 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:06,160 she phoned me out of the blue, and she was crying... 61 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:12,040 She said, "Liz, would you come to the Plaza and meet me?" 62 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:21,400 So, I got dressed, got a taxi, went to the Plaza... 63 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:27,120 and she threw her arms around me... 64 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,600 like I was her best friend. 65 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,760 And she said, "Donald doesn’t want me anymore." 66 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,800 I began to talk her into letting me write something. 67 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,360 Finally, I went to him. 68 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:58,960 And he said, "I don’t want to sleep with a woman who's had children." 69 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,240 And I said, "But they're your children." 70 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:14,920 And he said, "I know, I know. I want to have an open marriage." 71 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:22,680 Michael Kennedy, Ivana’s lawyer, called me, and said, "Write the story." 72 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,760 [Carswell] Donald’s in Japan. 73 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,040 Liz Smith plots with Ivana how to make this come out. 74 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,000 The story breaks when he’s on the plane coming back. 75 00:06:51,961 --> 00:06:54,560 You didn’t have the internet to get your word out, 76 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,560 so he had to stay quiet for a couple of hours. 77 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:07,280 The papers just exploded. The world exploded. 78 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,080 Communism is collapsing, the Germanys are reuniting, 79 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,880 South Africa is changing, 80 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,680 but in Manhattan the story is "Trump versus Trump." 81 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,160 I bought the Post, which I never do. [laughs] 82 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:27,800 [female interviewer] To read about it? 83 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,170 Well, look at the photo. Isn't that great? 84 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:36,200 [Geraldo Rivera] His divorce from Ivana was something that was a nuclear event. 85 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,160 [audience cheers, applauds] 86 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:44,200 [Rivera] If you talked about public people in awkward, private situations, 87 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,680 this was the most spectacular thing you could possibly be talking about. 88 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,440 The real-life divorce story you're about to hear about is bigger 89 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,320 than Dynasty, better than Dallas, and spicier than General Hospital. 90 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:05,160 Newspaper circulation is way up, television news ratings are way up, 91 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,680 because the people just can’t seem to get enough. 92 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,000 Good evening. On this Valentine’s day, the abandoned wife in what's being billed 93 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,880 as "the divorce of the decade" made her first public appearance. 94 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,720 [crowd clamors] 95 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,160 [male presenter] Ivana Trump, the estranged wife 96 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,000 of real estate tycoon, Donald Trump, kept a date with the ladies who lunch today, 97 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:28,800 attracting a traffic-stopping press hoard 98 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,680 outside the swanky, mid-town restaurant, La Grenouille. 99 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,040 [crowd clamors] 100 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,400 [Smith] People were screaming and shouting, 101 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:43,880 "Give it to him, Ivana. Make him pay." 102 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,240 [crowd clamors] 103 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,680 [Smith] Everybody had been invited to that birthday party, 104 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,000 all of her best friends, her own mother... 105 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,240 her mother-in-law... 106 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,080 Nobody knew how to act at the party. 107 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,840 His mother made a real attempt... 108 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,120 to make the birthday party normal. 109 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,360 [Carswell] I think they respected Donald’s marriage to Ivana. 110 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,960 And I think that... they were embarrassed by this. 111 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,800 Donald had gone astray. 112 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,160 We had a lot of laughs and so forth and... 113 00:09:45,426 --> 00:09:48,560 -And nobody-- Nobody spoke ill of Donald. -That's right. 114 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,320 -[female interviewer] Say that again. -Nobody spoke ill of Donald. 115 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,400 Oh, in fact, I don’t think his name was mentioned until now. 116 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:56,480 Who is this? 117 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:01,960 That is Donald Trump’s mother in the backseat of the limousine 118 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,360 after yesterday's lunch. 119 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,680 What a wonderfully civil thing for this woman to do. She shows up. 120 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,280 She was great. She's a wonderful lady. 121 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,960 And she got up and said, "Well, I guess I'm sort of the villain here today. 122 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,240 But I hate the word 'in-law.' 123 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,920 I don’t consider Ivana my in-law. I consider her my daughter." 124 00:10:21,596 --> 00:10:24,560 [Haskell] Twenty-eight days on the front page of the paper, 125 00:10:25,071 --> 00:10:28,760 Donald was having problems in business and that was a big thing. 126 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,640 It was just awful. It was terrible. 127 00:10:33,950 --> 00:10:36,075 [female announcer] Ladies and gentlemen, 128 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,600 I have the high honor and the great privilege 129 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,160 of introducing Chelsea Clinton, 130 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,080 Hillary Clinton, and our governor 131 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,800 and the next president of the United States, Bill Clinton. 132 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,040 [crowd cheers] 133 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,480 [Bill Clinton] I want to especially thank 134 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:02,440 Hillary and Chelsea for taking this big step on our life’s journey together. 135 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,960 Hillary for being my wife and friend and partner... 136 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,040 For the love we've shared and the work she's done... 137 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,600 to make life better for the children and families of this state... 138 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,680 I ask you to join with us today. 139 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,160 I believe that together we can make America great again. 140 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:23,400 [crowd applauds, cheers] 141 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,680 [inaudible dialogue] 142 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:38,240 The man who says money means nothing to him except as a means of keeping score 143 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,680 may be hurting on his favorite scoreboard. 144 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,320 Suddenly there is talk that the Trump financial empire is shaky. 145 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,147 The most damaging of such suggestions was published this week in Forbes magazine. 146 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:53,440 It says that you have a debt of about 3.2 billion 147 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,360 and that you are losing money at the rate of 40 million dollars a year. True? 148 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,880 Forbes has been after me for years, uh, consistently after me. 149 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,400 They took properties and devalued the properties. 150 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,560 They say the Plaza Hotel is not worth what everybody knows its worth. 151 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:07,600 It’s a total hatchet job. 152 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:09,880 But it’s all borrowed money. You have to service the debt. 153 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,760 Do you know my books? Why do you say it's borrowed money? 154 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,200 -Well, if it's not, tell me. -What right do you have to say-- 155 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,817 -Do you know about borrowed money? -Let me tell you what I know. 156 00:12:17,867 --> 00:12:20,492 All I know is what people write about you. I haven't seen your books. 157 00:12:20,592 --> 00:12:22,560 -What they write is-- -See, if you were smart, 158 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,400 -you'd want to see my books. -I'm not competent 159 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,480 -to look over your books. -I can see that you're not-- 160 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:28,080 An accounting firm to look over-- 161 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,680 Truly, I can see that you're not competent to look at the books. 162 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,600 What happens is, every asset has-- I'm sure you're not gonna play that. 163 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:36,040 Every-- But now you might, because I said I'm sure you won't. 164 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,520 Every asset-- Every asset has some debt. 165 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,480 -Okay, how much are you worth? -I have absolutely no idea. 166 00:12:41,722 --> 00:12:44,160 -[reporters clamoring] -[bodyguard] Come on, back off. 167 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,622 -[Trump] You're kidding? -[bodyguard] Back off. 168 00:12:46,722 --> 00:12:48,200 I mean, the proof is, I've-- I've got 169 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,200 Donald Trump’s confidential financial statement, 170 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,080 -okay? I'll tell you what it says. -[man] I guess it’s not confidential 171 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,880 -if you've got it-- -No, we've printed it 172 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,080 -in the Inquirer. He's got two-- -[audience laughs] 173 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:58,080 Philadelphia Inquirer. 174 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,280 He's got $210 million dollars in cash and stocks. 175 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:04,880 You dig back into the back of it and you find out that he's borrowed 176 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,200 from a dozen banks a hundred and ninety million of them. 177 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:08,400 It's all borrowed money. 178 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:13,120 I think that he was really very nimble in his response to this crisis. 179 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,200 He was highly leveraged, he had all kinds of debt, 180 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,840 and he was trying to take the notoriety 181 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:29,080 and make the notoriety affect his bottom line in a positive way. 182 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:30,440 He wanted to make money off it. 183 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:33,640 Trump’s problem is that he doesn’t have enough cash at the moment 184 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,400 to meet all the interest payments he's got. 185 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,600 And do we know what we're talking about? 186 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,760 And in a capitalist marketplace, where so much is dependent 187 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,000 upon what the customer thinks about you, 188 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,040 can media poison... 189 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,800 the minds of the customer to the extent that you are unfairly victimized? 190 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,400 I have a brilliant answer to this question... 191 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:58,480 [audience laughs] 192 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:00,560 but I will not have time to give it. 193 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,360 I'm sorry. It seems coincidental, but I want to know how much all this 194 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,920 has to do with Marla Maples, 'cause all of a sudden it seems like 195 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:07,400 America hates Donald Trump. 196 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,040 [reporters clamoring] 197 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,840 [male reporter] Mr. Trump, can you tell us why you're suing your wife? 198 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,680 He would either release something negative about Ivana, 199 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,800 or, more likely, something positive about himself. 200 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,600 "I will get through this. I will survive this. 201 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,720 I had no idea this was happening, but life goes on." 202 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,498 [male reporter 2] Did Ivana violate the agreement? 203 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,173 [reporter] Tell me what you think of the St. Regis hotel. 204 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,923 [reporter 2] Do you feel she violated the agreement? 205 00:14:40,873 --> 00:14:43,800 [Trump] The scrutiny has become so much. I'm not a politician. 206 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:48,000 I'm not in public office. I'm not under the eye in theory. 207 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:52,520 The story is a story about two people that grow apart, 208 00:14:52,617 --> 00:14:55,760 and frankly, I don’t think it should be covered the way it's being covered. 209 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,402 [male reporter] You'd think he hates this unwanted attention, but maybe not. 210 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,800 Mr. Trump, this maestro of publicity, has been fueling the flames himself, 211 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,040 often placing phone calls to influential columnists. 212 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,760 For the tabloids, it was Cindy Adams versus Liz Smith, 213 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,280 Daily News versus the New York Post. 214 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,440 Ivana was tied in with Liz Smith 215 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,760 and gave all her information to the Daily News 216 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,280 whereas Cindy Adams was tied in with Donald, 217 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,720 and he fed everything to Cindy, or just called them directly, 218 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,480 the New York Post, and put things on the cover. 219 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:43,800 What special quality does he have that, maybe, viewers don't know about? 220 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,200 It's funny. I always tell Donald, 221 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:50,000 I said, "I wish that you understood how adorable you are 222 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:51,960 just being your true, true self. 223 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,640 You don't have to put on a red tie and a blue suit to be likable. 224 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:56,680 It's what's beneath--" 225 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,160 [Larry King] He's likable. People who work for him like him. 226 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,480 People that work for him, friends like, you know, you that know him personally, 227 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,920 it's hard not to like him. 228 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,960 Well, he's just very supportive and a very, very close friend of mine. 229 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,440 And we're just not really making any big steps right now, 230 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,920 we're just enjoying each other's company, when we can. 231 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,680 [interviewer] I was talking to Miss Gilpatrick earlier, she said... 232 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,840 Do you remember the great line of George Saunders about Zsa Zsa? 233 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,600 He said when Zsa Zsa was through with him, 234 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,080 she "tossed me aside like a squeezed lemon." 235 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,120 I think Marla might find herself like a squeezed lemon. 236 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,920 First tonight, can real estate magnate Donald Trump 237 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,200 keep his financial empire afloat? 238 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,480 Joining us now, Abraham Wallach, 239 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,240 senior vice president of First Capital Management. 240 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,680 Mr. Wallach, at the mercy of the market, speaking as a real estate man, 241 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,840 how much can Donald Trump blame his current troubles 242 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,640 on the state of the real estate market? 243 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,280 Yes, he can blame market conditions to some extent... 244 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:04,400 uh, but I think the reality is if you pay too much for properties, 245 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,520 and if your ego is as large as his was-- is, 246 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,120 and you just buy everything in sight... 247 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,760 part of the blame has to squarely rest in your own lap. 248 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:24,120 Now that we see the larger picture, three and a half billion dollars of debt, 249 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,720 properties that in the near term have no chance of achieving 250 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,200 the kinds of revenue necessary to cover debt... 251 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,680 I did something that Donald doesn’t like. I told the truth. 252 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,480 Just being a champ. 253 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,960 [Abraham Wallach] Within a week of being on that program, 254 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:43,800 the door man rings me up and he says someone's down here 255 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,400 and this man dumps a pile of papers that thick, 256 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,120 and I start to look at them, and it says, 257 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,080 "Trump versus Wallach, 250 million dollars." 258 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,720 And I said, "Oh, my God, I'm being sued by Trump for 250 million dollars," 259 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:04,760 defamation of character, lies... You know, just every word you could think of 260 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,720 in a lawsuit was there. 261 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,800 Norma, can I have my calls, please? Calls, please. Thank you. 262 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,720 [Wallach] Our firm used the same law firm that Donald did. 263 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,320 The general partner of the firm, calls, and he says, 264 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,560 "So long as you don’t say anything more about him in the news, 265 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,200 he'll drop the lawsuit." 266 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,120 "But he wants one thing." I said, "What's that?" 267 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:39,800 "He wants to talk to you." 268 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,080 I arrived a little early. 269 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,640 I was sitting there slumped in this velvet couch, 270 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,920 taking in the panoramic view of Central Park. 271 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,000 This giant. He-- I didn’t realize how tall he was. 272 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,960 He stuck his hand out and I stood up, I shook his hand, 273 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,120 and he couldn’t have been nicer. 274 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:06,000 It’s as if all that had happened was... nothing, never happened, never existed. 275 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,560 [inaudible dialogue] 276 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,200 He said, "Go back and tell them you're leaving. 277 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:16,280 I want you to start here on Monday." 278 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,840 I was sort of bitten by the Trump bug. 279 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:29,320 I quit the other job and Monday morning I appeared at Trump's offices. 280 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:34,920 Why did Donald call me? I think he saw me as someone 281 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,400 who could in some way help him. 282 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,240 He was not sure where or how, but somehow help him. 283 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,120 [crowd cheers] 284 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,320 [male reporter] It’s been quite a week for Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton. 285 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,120 His problem? 286 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,840 Long-rumored allegations of marital infidelity finally surfaced 287 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,480 in a supermarket tabloid. 288 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,680 [cheering fades] 289 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,960 Fourteen percent of the registered voters in America 290 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,720 said they wouldn’t vote for a candidate who's had an affair. 291 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,040 But what does that mean? That means 86% of the American people... 292 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,800 either don’t think its relevant to presidential performance... 293 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,760 or look at whether a person looking at all the facts 294 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:25,760 is the best person to serve. 295 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,000 You know, I'm not sitting here, some little woman, 296 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,440 standing by my man like Tammy Wynette. 297 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,200 I'm sitting here because I love him, and I respect him, 298 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,920 and I honor what he's been through and what we have been through together 299 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,000 and, you know, if that's not enough for people, then heck, don’t vote for him. 300 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,760 [male reporter] With all of the gossip and innuendo, 301 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,720 Ivana Trump has never gone public with her side. 302 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,600 Tonight, with Barbara, she breaks her silence 303 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,560 And then came Christmas, Aspen... 304 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,360 can you tell us what happened? 305 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:36,960 It’s still hard, isn't it? 306 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,200 It’s tough. 307 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,800 [Ivana Trump] I did find out first time on the telephone, 308 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,280 when I did pick the phone in the living room 309 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,440 and Donald did pick the phone in the bedroom. 310 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,280 -[Barbara Walters] In Aspen? -In Aspen. 311 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:58,240 And he spoke to a mutual friend of ours, and he was talking about Marla, 312 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,600 and I really didn’t understand. 313 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,520 I never heard a name like that in my life, 314 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,440 and I came to Donald and said, "Who is Mula?" 315 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,920 And he said, "Well, that's a girl that's going after me for last two years." 316 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,640 And I said, "Is that serious?" 317 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,920 And he said, "Well, she is just going after me." 318 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,320 I think marriage is an incredible institution. 319 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,280 I think it’s a great institution. I told you my parents were married, 320 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,200 -have been married, are married-- -You’ve come from married stock. 321 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:25,800 -I come from married stock. -People stay married in the Trumps. 322 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,480 You’re talking about 50 years of marriage with my mother and father, 323 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,840 -that’s a long time-- -Your brother married a long time? 324 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,720 My-- Robert is happily married, and my family's generally happily married, 325 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,960 so, I’m not one that loves the concept of divorce. 326 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,400 In fact, just the opposite, I hate the concept of divorce. 327 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:41,880 I hate everything it represents. 328 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,200 Um... It really was my decision. 329 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,960 Um, I tried for two months, as you know, until February. 330 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:54,920 I tried to live with the idea that I had been cheated on and I had been lied to. 331 00:22:55,560 --> 00:23:00,800 And-- And I decided that that's not a life which I want to live. 332 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:05,760 I never could trust a man who'd cheat on me. 333 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,720 Do you think that Donald is capable of being faithful to one woman? 334 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:11,840 I don’t think so. 335 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:25,880 I made a big mistake. I put Ivana into the business a little bit, 336 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,480 and she did a very good job, and she ran the Castle, 337 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,520 and then she ran the Plaza, and she did a nice job. 338 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:37,000 The divorce from Ivana taught him a great lesson. 339 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,000 Ivana and I were having problems for years. 340 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,160 She's a wonderful woman. But we were having problems like everybody else. 341 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,560 I mean, we were having problems. 342 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:51,120 He proved that he couldn’t have his reputation destroyed. 343 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,280 She'd come home every night. 344 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:55,920 "Here’s how we are doing. We are doing this, we are doing that." 345 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,080 It became like I'm married to a business partner 346 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,360 and it really hurt the marriage. 347 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:07,520 He learned he could ultimately get away with anything. 348 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,720 [male reporter] Donald Trump is running short of cash. 349 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,480 Four major New York banks have been negotiating directly with Trump, 350 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,200 and may force him to sell key properties. 351 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:21,440 In a statement issued yesterday, Trump insisted his investments 352 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,160 remain excellent values. 353 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,880 He is confident that he and his bankers will work things out, 354 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,600 but there is a problem. 355 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,480 Benjy, hi, what’s going on? 356 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,480 [Wallach] I signed on to work for Trump just as the women and children 357 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,320 were being led to the life boats on the Titanic. 358 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:44,800 People were running from one room to the other, 359 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,874 lawyers were all over the place... 360 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,560 Accountants doing all kinds of analyses and projections. 361 00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:01,080 Everybody was petrified, and they thought the ship would go under. 362 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,120 All right, find out, Lou, okay? Thanks, Lou. 363 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,320 Hello. Jack, how are you? What's going on? 364 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,960 Part of me was scared, 365 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:14,000 because of all the chaos I saw going on, 366 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,000 but part of me was comfortable because I said, "Nobody else can do this." 367 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,560 But do you think you come out okay at that number? You really do, huh? 368 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,600 [Wallach] Donald knew how to use the system. 369 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,880 The banks had no choice but to stick with him. 370 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,640 I'll tell you what, Bernie, come in and see me. Let’s you and I talk, 371 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,480 and then we'll see-- we'll go from that stage. 372 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:33,840 Does that sound all right? 373 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,360 Has Donald dumped Marla for Carla? 374 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,640 Well, those who've been following the soap opera escapades 375 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,520 of billionaire developer Donald Trump 376 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,720 are being treated to yet another chapter tonight. 377 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,400 Marla, who was the other woman when Trump was married to Ivana, 378 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,400 apparently was told by the Donald to pack up and move out 379 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,240 of their posh Upper East Side apartment they were sharing. 380 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,000 And the new woman in Trump’s life is an Italian model. 381 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,520 [Carswell] Now he's dumping Marla for Carla? 382 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,400 And they rhyme? It was just too much. 383 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,200 I call up Donald Trump’s office and I get his assistant Norma on the phone, 384 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,960 and I said, "What is going on, Norma? What is going on?" 385 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,880 And she said, "Darlin', I'll get you a call back in five minutes or so." 386 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,280 And she was true to her word, five minutes later John Miller called. 387 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:32,680 [Carswell on recording] Good morning. What’s your name again? 388 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,997 -[man on recording] John Miller. -And you work with Donald? 389 00:26:35,065 --> 00:26:36,105 Yes, that's correct. 390 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,560 John Miller, what kind of comment is coming from Donald? 391 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,080 He really decided that he wasn't-- You know, he didn’t want to… 392 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,680 make a big commitment… He didn’t want to make a commitment. 393 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,320 He really thought it was too soon. 394 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,920 He's coming out of a, you know, marriage, 395 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,920 that, uh... And he's starting to do tremendously well financially. 396 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,920 'Cause, you know, there’s a real estate depression 397 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,920 in the United States, and he's probably doing… 398 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,520 as well as anybody there is. 399 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,200 [man on recording] I'm sort of new here. And I'm-- 400 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,600 [Carswell] What's your position? 401 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,600 [man] I'm handling PR. He gets so much of it. 402 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,640 [Carswell] Yeah. 403 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:11,640 You know, I had talked to Donald on the phone a couple of times. 404 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,520 Call me over the weekend. I want to talk to you, okay? 405 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,360 I thought, "It's just so weird that he hired someone 406 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,080 who sounds just like him." 407 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,560 [man] Now off the record, I could tell you that he didn’t care if he got bad PR 408 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,320 until he got his divorce finished. 409 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,720 And I remember thinking, "I gotta keep him on the phone." 410 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,240 [Carswell] What's going to happen? Is she being asked to leave, 411 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,282 -or is she going to be allowed to stay? -[man] Well, he treats everybody well, 412 00:27:37,357 --> 00:27:39,840 -and you know Donald, but he's a-- -Yeah. No, I have met him. 413 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,040 -Have you met him? -Yes. 414 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,400 [man] He's a good guy and he's not going to hurt anybody. 415 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,440 One article said, "He's going to throw her out of the apartment," 416 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,680 it's total nonsense. 417 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,360 Um, he's somebody that has a lot of options and frankly… 418 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,720 he gets called by everybody in the book in terms of women. 419 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,240 I mean they call, they just call. 420 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,120 Actresses, people that you write about just call to see 421 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,440 if they can go out with him. Madonna called 422 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,440 and wanted to go out with him, that I can tell you. 423 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:08,760 [Carswell] As soon as I got off the phone with John Miller, 424 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,880 I ran down the hall and I said, 425 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,960 "Oh, my God! You gotta listen to this." 426 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,560 I said, "I think it's Donald." 427 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,040 Everybody in the office was listening in on this tape, and they're like, 428 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,160 “Oh, my God! You gotta get confirmation." 429 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,280 So, I called Cindy Adams 430 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,560 from the New York Post and she's like, "What is he doing? That's Donald." 431 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,640 And then I called Marla, 432 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:34,640 and I was like, Marla there is something I need to play for you. 433 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,240 [man on recording] Marla wants to be back with him, but he just feels it's too soon. 434 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,520 When he makes the decision, that will be a very lucky woman. 435 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,240 Off the record, he probably thought Marla wasn't the right one. 436 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,200 So, now he has somebody else named Carla. 437 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,280 Then she dropped Mick Jagger for Donald, and that's where it is right now. 438 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,480 [Carswell] She just cries when she hears this tape. 439 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,640 If you are as involved as they were at this time, it was devastating news. 440 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,280 I don’t know what he was thinking about Carla, because she has come out 441 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,600 and said that she had never had anything to do with him. 442 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,520 So this is all very imaginary. 443 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,720 She didn’t leave Mick Jagger for Donald Trump. 444 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,160 Right after she hears the tape, 445 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,920 Marla gets the hell out of town, out of dodge. 446 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,880 Donald kept trying to move her back 447 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,080 and she was like, "I'm not having anything to do with you anymore, Donald." 448 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,600 I had to hurt Marla’s feelings, but it’s a good thing she found out, 449 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,360 to see who he really was. 450 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,400 [show host] He has seen his life, the good and the bad, 451 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,880 splashed all across the front pages 452 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,240 of New York City tabloids, and sometimes you get the feeling 453 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,920 that he doesn’t even mind the notoriety one little bit. 454 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:00,400 As a single man once again, he may be the most eligible bachelor in America. 455 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,080 Please welcome Donald Trump. 456 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,800 [crowd applauds] 457 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:07,480 Welcome. 458 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,160 Just this past weekend, you had a big party in Palm Beach. 459 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,000 You invited just a few of your close friends like the Miami Dolphin 460 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,280 -and the Buffalo Bill cheerleaders. -[audience laughs] 461 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,720 Take a look at the monitors, if you will. 462 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,040 -Party at Trump Mansion! Woo! -Yes! 463 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,800 [party guests cheering, exclaiming] 464 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,360 [indistinct chatter] 465 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,200 At that period, Donald Trump’s life was going through all kinds of turmoil. 466 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,560 [cheering] 467 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,800 He was emphasizing his playboy-ness, rather than the fact that his real estate 468 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,320 and gambling empires were going through very turbulent times. 469 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,280 Woo! 470 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,040 It’s been a great year for me, and it's been one of my best years, in a sense. 471 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,880 Yeah, but you are seen in the company of lots of beautiful women, Donald. 472 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,000 I like beautiful women. You're very beautiful. 473 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,840 This is really a beautiful woman. 474 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,680 [audience cheers, applauds] 475 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,840 Way to deflect the reporter's questions, right? 476 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,280 [male reporter] Well, the name Taj Mahal means "crown of the palace." 477 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,000 [male photographer] A still! A still. 478 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,760 [male reporter] Only Trump’s crown is in hock tonight. 479 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,760 Trump has been forced to put his Taj Mahal Hotel 480 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,520 and casino in Atlantic City into bankruptcy, 481 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,800 because he couldn’t pay his debts. 482 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,000 [female reporter] After weeks of negotiations, 483 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,240 at the press conference Trump seemed pleased with the deal. 484 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,080 [Trump] I see so many people here for this, I can’t believe it. 485 00:31:58,305 --> 00:32:01,155 One of these days you'll be writing about other people too, 486 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,720 but I think it’s going to turn out, Chris, to be a very positive... 487 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,920 It was a long, hard negotiation. 488 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,117 Donald understands that most reporters accurately quote what they're told, 489 00:32:14,267 --> 00:32:16,960 but they really don’t know what they're writing about. 490 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,960 I think it's wonderful the way everybody pulled together and worked 491 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:26,000 on really taking a building that is doing, as Mr. Ross said, record numbers. 492 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,520 And once his story is out there, 493 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,760 then anything else is just a counter story. 494 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,080 Uh, and we're very happy that this all worked out, 495 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,800 and I think that over the long term, it's gonna prove out to be 496 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,360 a great victory for everybody. 497 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,040 [male reporter] Mr. Ross, you said-- Rather, Mr. Miller said that 498 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,600 this is a framework for an agreement. 499 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,320 -I'm wondering if... -[reporters fade out] 500 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,920 All sorts of people who were owed money got stiffed. 501 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,720 [man] Down! Down! Stay down. 502 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,920 [man] When the Trump Taj Mahal went bad... 503 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,200 it didn’t go bad by itself. 504 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:15,400 It took two other casinos and it took thousands of individuals down with it. 505 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,960 Forget the debt holder. Those people that loaned him that money 506 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,920 assumed that risk. 507 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,280 That's their problem. 508 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,880 But the suppliers, and the small businesses... 509 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,080 that provided services, provided equipment, provided supply, 510 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,320 expected to be paid at the end of 30 days. 511 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,000 A lot of businesses in the Atlantic City area went out of business, 512 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,560 because they could not sustain the loss from the monies 513 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,360 they couldn’t collect from Trump. 514 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,080 And from that day to this, 515 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,320 he has never once publicly expressed regret for that kind of damage. 516 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,520 [male photographer] Marla, over here, please. 517 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,080 -[male photographer 2] Marla! -[male photographer 3] Marla! Over here! 518 00:35:00,107 --> 00:35:02,360 [photographer] How do you feel? Mr. Trump, how do you feel? 519 00:35:02,510 --> 00:35:03,367 Great. 520 00:35:03,452 --> 00:35:05,287 [female reporter] Trump was in the delivery room 521 00:35:05,367 --> 00:35:08,820 for the birth of his fourth child. He even cut her umbilical cord. 522 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,520 -Thank you! -Thank you. 523 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,720 [scattered applause] 524 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,880 [male reporter] In a dramatic, stunning form reversal, 525 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,200 struggling tycoon and media ring master 526 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,240 Donald Trump has asked Marla Maples to marry him. 527 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,640 Trump left his headquarters, went across the street to Harry Winston jewelers, 528 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,720 and bought a ring similar to this one. 529 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,200 [Trump] We really anticipated getting married and having a baby, 530 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,880 not having a baby and getting married. 531 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,707 Why didn’t you marry her right away when you found out she was pregnant? 532 00:35:42,782 --> 00:35:44,920 -Indecision. Really, indecision. -Indecision? 533 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,560 To me, it’s a more difficult decision. You know, it’s in many respects 534 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:49,880 a much bigger decision. 535 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,640 It's an irrevocable deal, theoretically. 536 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:54,120 Well, it really is. In theory, it’s an irrevocable deal. 537 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,640 [crowd cheering] 538 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,560 [photographers clamoring] 539 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,040 [male reporter] Celebrity guests swarm New York’s Plaza Hotel for the big events. 540 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,040 The crowd was the expected mix of beautiful people, 541 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,560 business leaders and politicians. 542 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,520 And the hype was pervasive. 543 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,120 [Wallach] The very first function I was invited to was to Donald’s wedding, 544 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,720 and it was a very grand affair. 545 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,400 Huh? What did I get for their wedding? A toaster! 546 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,040 [female interviewer] A toaster! 547 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,080 [Wallach] He knows all these politicians, all these Hollywood stars. 548 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,160 [photographers yelling] O.J.! 549 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,360 I mean, the man just knows everybody. 550 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,640 They've gone through a lot of turmoil, and I think everybody in the country 551 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,120 believes that maybe their relationship could work if this relationship will work, 552 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,320 you know, for all the things that they've gone through, 553 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,840 and I think this will work. 554 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,280 [photographers yelling] Trump! Trump! 555 00:37:12,897 --> 00:37:14,120 [male photographer] Mrs. Trump! 556 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,880 [woman] Donald would not have married her, had his father not pressured him. 557 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,720 He said, "She has a child. Now you have to marry her." 558 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,480 [indistinct chatter] 559 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,360 [female interviewer] Can you tell us what got you to pop the question? 560 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:39,560 Oh... 561 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,600 Well, I think it was just the relationship that was happening, 562 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,960 and it just feels really good. 563 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,480 -See you later. Have a good time. -And you always find the time. [laughs] 564 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,280 [woman] Donald, give Marla a kiss! 565 00:37:51,832 --> 00:37:55,560 [male reporter] When it was over, Donald and Marla treated fans to the royal wave. 566 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,280 [Wallach] It was in the Plaza Hotel. It cost several hundred thousand dollars 567 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,680 and he charged everything to Citibank, who had the mortgage on the building. 568 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,840 Even though it had huge mortgages, 569 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,400 he was still the owner, so he just charged everything. 570 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:19,080 For years, they were hounding him to pay the cost of the wedding. 571 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,800 [David Cay Johnston] The Trump shuttle airline goes into bankruptcy. 572 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,120 It’s a complete disaster. 573 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,600 The Trump Plaza Hotel is taken over by a Saudi Prince, 574 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,760 at a loss to Donald. 575 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,080 And so, a whole series of properties fall out of Donald’s hands 576 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,680 over this period of time. 577 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,120 [male reporter] Trump has put another of his trophies up for sale, his yacht. 578 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,240 [Johnston] But Donald still can’t repay his debts. 579 00:39:01,518 --> 00:39:04,040 American banks won't loan him money anymore. 580 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,600 So, Donald starts getting money from other sources. 581 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,920 Trump creates the only publicly traded company 582 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,680 he's ever been involved with. 583 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,920 Make a six bid for 20,000... 584 00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:33,000 For those interested in following the stock, 585 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,480 Trump made it characteristically easy. 586 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,440 He trades under the symbol of DJT. Donald J. Trump. 587 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,000 Donald Trump understands that if he creates this public persona, 588 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,840 that's what people will see. 589 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,640 You sell people what they want to hear. 590 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,040 [Selina Scott] We were following Trump in Britain at that stage. 591 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:04,440 I think he thought, well, it might burnish his image a little bit. 592 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,400 He wanted to send a message out to his potential investors. 593 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,320 If he was considered to be going down, 594 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,600 well, he had a message for them that he wasn't. 595 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,400 [Trump] Here's our new partner in the deal, 596 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,440 the legendary Selina Scott from Europe. 597 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,320 -Hello. -[Scott] Oh-- 598 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,160 [Trump] See you in five minutes. [laughs] 599 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,200 -Hi, guys. -Ah, she’s beautiful. 600 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,640 Now, this is just a small group. Philip Johnson... 601 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,280 -[Scott] Yes. -[Trump] ...also a legend. 602 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,840 Selina is the biggest in Europe. 603 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,560 You know about that? Everybody knows Selina Scott. 604 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,560 [laughter] 605 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,240 He saw himself as a deal maker. 606 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,280 And how do you make sure that you come across in the best way, 607 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,000 that people are going to look at you 608 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,160 and think, "Here's a guy who knows what he is doing"? 609 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,240 Hey Rich, get closer. 610 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,520 When you get next to a building this high, it’s a scary thing. 611 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,760 You know, to me, that's the symbol of lot of things. 612 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,880 That's the ultimate symbol. 613 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,480 It so much represents the greatness of New York and the power of New York. 614 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,800 It was trying to impress me so that the television cameras 615 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,600 could pull out from him... 616 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:26,240 this image of a man who is in charge, in control, is gonna survive. 617 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,160 He was very much in awe of his mother. 618 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,760 [Scott] Donald’s mother, Mary McLeod, 619 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,000 a dark-haired beauty from the Isle of Lewis in the Hebrides, 620 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,360 first met Fred Trump when she was just 18. 621 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,440 What did she see in the young builder from the Bronx? 622 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,840 Why is it ever about the guys we fall in love with? 623 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:55,120 It's special, right? He was wonderful and a very eligible-- 624 00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,960 the most eligible bachelor in New York, so there. 625 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,000 [Scott] Donald obviously asked her to come and talk. 626 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,360 He needed his mom there to act as his witness 627 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,480 to his good nature, and his ability, and all the rest of it. 628 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,560 [Scott] Fred and Mary had five children. 629 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:20,680 Donald was the Trump’s third born. 630 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,400 His older brother Fred apparently found it hard to satisfy 631 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,760 his father’s aspirations. Alcohol became the easy way out. 632 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:35,640 [Trump] I had a brother who was a great guy, handsome, beautiful guy. 633 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:42,840 And Fred died at a relatively young age, in his 40s, of pure and simple alcoholism. 634 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,920 I mean, he just drank like a fish. He just drank and drank. 635 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,720 It’s a drug. It’s a horrible drug. 636 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:57,040 [Scott] This was success for Donald, to display his mother in this way. 637 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,040 To say, "Look how far my mother has come, and look what she's given birth to." 638 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,040 [laughs] 639 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,960 Did you at any stage in that think, "He really has bitten off 640 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,000 more than he can chew. He's really gone and done it now"? 641 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,320 -No, no, never. -[Scott] Never? 642 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,800 I knew. I just knew he'd come back. 643 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,840 [Trump] This is just the right time for this industry. 644 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,200 We’re really happy, and this is a very exciting day. 645 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,280 [Johnston] They sell the stock at a very good price. 646 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,440 [male reporter] Not bad work for a man whose casinos have gone into bankruptcy. 647 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,640 [Johnston] That was sort of an astonishing development. 648 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,800 I mean, this is a man who had a track record of not paying his bills, 649 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,160 of not managing his enterprises well. 650 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,720 Wall Street has a lot of respect for Trump. 651 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,000 [Johnston] Donald gets paid at least 82 million dollars, 652 00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:16,040 and plus, 50 million dollars is used to pay off debts he personally guaranteed. 653 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:17,640 How could this happen? 654 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,680 [audience cheering, applauding] 655 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,640 He's a guy who has engineered one of the biggest turnarounds 656 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,400 in modern business history. People were taking away control 657 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,160 of your various casinos and your far-flung empire, 658 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,320 your real estate developments had stalled. 659 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,520 As you sit there today, give me a one-word answer, 660 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,440 how are things going business-wise? 661 00:44:38,642 --> 00:44:41,360 It’s probably been the best year of my life from a business standpoint. 662 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,120 One word? I don’t know. Can we say "luck"? Maybe "luck." 663 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,280 [Rivera] "Luck" is a good word. We'll be right back. 664 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,840 [audience cheering] 665 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,440 It increased his image as this man who was all-powerful 666 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,840 and can do anything and has the Midas touch. 667 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,167 And Donald Trump is masterful at exploiting these things. 668 00:45:00,225 --> 00:45:01,905 That's why he is such a great con-artist, 669 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,400 the greatest con-artist in the history of the world. 670 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,280 [female reporter] It is Splitsville for Donald Trump and Marla Maples. 671 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,440 They've decided to separate after three-and-a-half years of marriage, 672 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,320 and say they hope to remain friends. 673 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,132 "Often, I'll tell friends whose wives are constantly nagging them 674 00:45:34,182 --> 00:45:36,760 about this or that, that they' re better off cutting their losses. 675 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,200 When a man has to endure a woman who is not supportive 676 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,760 and complains constantly about his not being home 677 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,280 or being attentive enough, he will not be successful 678 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,800 unless he is able to cut the cord." 679 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,160 -That's true, I mean, I think that-- -It doesn’t say much 680 00:45:48,242 --> 00:45:49,942 for trying to make a marriage work, does it? 681 00:45:50,042 --> 00:45:52,435 It doesn’t. It's very cold and I hate saying it, but it’s true. 682 00:45:52,517 --> 00:45:54,127 I've seen people that are married to women 683 00:45:54,202 --> 00:45:56,600 that, you know, their lives-- They just will not be successful. 684 00:45:56,677 --> 00:45:58,760 Do you think people are going to look at you as someone 685 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,360 they should take marriage advice from? 686 00:46:00,441 --> 00:46:02,641 [laughs] That's a tough question. 687 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,160 [Trump] In real life, I believe that wealth does, in fact, 688 00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:10,880 isolate you from other people. 689 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,680 It’s a protective mechanism. 690 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,120 You have your guard up... 691 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,680 much more so than you would if you didn’t have wealth. 692 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,640 [clattering] 693 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,120 [Trump] There was a great rise in Citizen Kane... 694 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,040 and there was a modest fall. 695 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,360 [clattering, shattering] 696 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,760 [Trump] The fall wasn't a financial fall. The fall was a personal fall... 697 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,960 but it was a fall nevertheless. 698 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,720 So, you had the highs and you had the lows. 699 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:05,880 Rosebud. 700 00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:09,800 A lot of people don’t really understand the significance of it. 701 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,960 I'm not sure if anybody understands its significance, 702 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,080 but I think the significance 703 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:19,560 is bringing a lonely, rather sad figure 704 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,280 back into his childhood. 705 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:37,600 [Scott] The youngest of the family, Robert, 706 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,280 also had problems as a child coping with the acquisitive Donald. 707 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,560 [Mary Anne Trump] I remember he used to be in the playroom building with blocks, 708 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,840 and Robert got building blocks at the same time, 709 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,320 so they had a lot of building blocks... 710 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,600 [chuckles] and Donald borrowed Robert's. 711 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:03,200 Robert willingly gave the blocks to his brother to build, 712 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,760 but Donald glued the blocks together. 713 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,480 -He never gave the blocks back? -Oh, no. 714 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,640 Of course not, he couldn’t, they were glued in one... [laughs] 715 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:15,160 -Glued in one big building. [laughs] -[Scott laughs] 63900

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