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This programme contains
strong language and adult themes.
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(FOOTSTEPS APPROACH)
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(GRUNTS LIGHTLY)
I've never done this before.
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I've never ever told my story.
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I've had offers
from the press to do it and...
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I just never have,
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because people don't believe it.
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I sit there sometimes
at home by myself...
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and I can't believe it's happened.
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I just think I've just woken up
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and I've just dreamt it.
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Then reality strikes and, you know,
it wasn't, it was a nightmare.
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(TENSE, DRAMATIC MUSIC)
Would you like your fucking family
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destroyed, buddy?
Would you like it destroyed?!
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No!
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My name is Steve Sabine.
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I'm one of five,
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and I'm the second eldest.
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My name is Jane Sabine.
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My name's Lee-Ann Sabine.
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I'm the youngest of five children.
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JANE:
I am the second youngest daughter
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of Leigh and John Sabine.
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REPORTER: Are you their mother?
No, I am not their mother.
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I've answered that one before!
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Nah, bullshit.
The whole thing was a lie.
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Her whole life's been a lie, really.
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(STATIC CRACKLES)
You can move that off here, please.
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JANE: They left us with nothing.
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(DISTANT SHOUTING)
We had to fight.
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(MUFFLED SHOUTING CONTINUES)
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Where are you taking Jane?
Where are you-
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Henderson Police Station.
Henderson Police Station.
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LEE-ANN: She was the lady that
gave birth to me and gave me life...
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but she was not my mother.
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It was always about her.
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Everything she did was about her.
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JANE: My mother...
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was... a nasty,
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horrible...
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heartless bitch.
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(MUSIC FADES)
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(MELANCHOLY MUSIC & VOCALISING)
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(OMINOUS MUSIC)
(BIRDS CAWING)
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REPORTER: Police were called here
after human remains
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were found within the grounds.
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They say a man's body was found
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above ground outside the flats,
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concealed in plastic wrapping.
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It's unprecedented, isn't it?
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You know, uh, you don't hear
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of this sort of thing
in your own little village.
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REPORTER: People living here
have been shocked by the discovery.
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MARY: I went to the doctor's
and then I said,
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"Can you just give me
a short dose of sleeping tablets?"
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And he said, "You and most
of the people in Beddau,
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they've all been here
asking for sleeping tablets."
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(TENSE INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC)
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(DOG BARKS)
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LYNNE: It was a very eerie
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feeling over the village;
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to think something
like this has happened
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and nobody knows anything about it.
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(BIRDS CAWING)
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What we knew in this case
was that the victim was a male.
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We didn't know much else
at this time.
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We couldn't identify
who the person was,
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how they'd come to pass,
who else could have been involved.
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It was a real mystery,
if I'm honest.
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Our only suspect at this stage
was Leigh Sabine.
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But Leigh Sabine,
she'd been ill for quite some time
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and had died about a month earlier.
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You know, everything
was giving us the indication
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that that body was reasonably fresh.
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So, how on earth could this
elderly woman, who lived alone,
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be involved in what had happened?
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It didn't make sense.
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Did she have capability
to commit a murder?
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Did she have capability
to wrap that body,
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to move that body,
to store that body?
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She didn't fit the profile
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of a killer, you know, but...
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you've got to keep an open mind.
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(SOLEMN MUSIC)
(KEYBOARD CLACKING)
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We knew very little
about Leigh Sabine
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and we weren't really
making much progress.
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A lot of the information
we had on her
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was stuff she'd originated
and just told people
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in the Beddau community.
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She was a likeable person,
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very welcoming.
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She was more than happy
to invite us into her flat,
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would offer us a cup of tea
or a cup of coffee
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and was happy, really, to...
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to sit with you
and-and just tell stories.
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LYNNE:
She liked to know our business.
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She wanted to know about, you know,
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how many children we'd got
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and you know,
have you got any grandchildren?
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But if you started to probe
a little bit more about her life,
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she would shut
the conversation down.
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(MUSIC SWELLS)
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OK.
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Pretty soon after I started
visiting Leigh in hospital,
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she started telling people
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that I was her executor.
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Now, obviously I felt
uncomfortable about this,
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because I knew
she had five children.
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I found the fact that she had
no contact with them strange,
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but she certainly spoke of them
in a very unemotional way.
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There didn't seem to be
any warmth or any connection.
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So, I told the police this.
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(GENTLE INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC)
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LEE-ANN: So, a month after I heard
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our mother had passed away,
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I get this phone call
out of the blue from the police.
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(PHONE RINGS)
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And they said that they found
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a body in the garden,
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but they didn't know
who the body was.
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I was taken back a bit.
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I hadn't seen my mother in...
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oh, a long time.
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Like, a long time.
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(IDYLLIC MUSIC)
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JANE: Within the family, there is
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our oldest sister,
then there's Steven,
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then there's Marty,
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then there's me,
and then there's Lee-Ann.
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My earliest memory would be
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my father gathering up the kids
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and taking us for a walk
down the road...
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carrying me on his shoulders.
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And I felt so special.
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(MUSIC CONTINUES)
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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STEVE: Where we lived,
there was creeks.
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Our father taught us to swim.
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We used to swim a lot.
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And I used to go alright
at breaststroke, was my stroke.
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(CHUCKLES)
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The only one
I didn't sink in, I think.
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(UPBEAT JAZZ MUSIC)
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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I remember my mum wanted to be...
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make it as a cabaret singer.
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She just thought she was
Shirley Bassey or something.
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And I remember going to
at least a couple of gigs.
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# Nothing else feels like
Getting enough
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# Sunshine...
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One in Auckland
where we had to sit around
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and wait for her to perform.
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I would only have been five or six.
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# Feeling on top...
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Just sat in the end
behind the stage.
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# I never let this feeling
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# Pass me by
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# Never felt happier... #
(MUSIC FADES)
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I was a pretty happy chappy
at that point.
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And then, this one day,
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I remember seeing
suitcases packed...
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(OMINOUS MUSIC)
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..then hopping in a taxi.
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STEVE: My parents dropped us
in a day care in Auckland.
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I just remember us
getting there and them saying,
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"We'll be back in a couple
of days to grab you."
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Just got in the car and drove away.
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They were just gone.
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Boom, gone.
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I would have been seven years old.
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Martin would have been five,
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Jane would have been four,
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Lee-Ann would have been
over a year old.
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The first few days after that,
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we used to get out the gate
and watch for them to come.
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(GENTLE, SOLEMN MUSIC)
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We all used to think
that every plane, every taxi,
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carried our parents, you know?
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Every day you'd be looking, "Oh,
they're coming, they're coming."
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But they just never did.
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They never came back.
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(SOFT, OMINOUS MUSIC)
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I always wondered why they left,
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but I used to believe
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we had done something wrong
to upset them and they'd gone,
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because why else would your parents
drop you and run, you know?
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(MUSIC FADES)
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(AMBIENT STREET NOISE)
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(INQUISITIVE MUSIC)
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The discovery of these
children opened up
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loads of opportunities for us
from an investigative point of view,
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so we wanted to take
advantage of that.
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We made an approach
to the authorities
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in New Zealand, um, asked for
their assistance and support.
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Looked into their archives,
their records.
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And that's when we started
to pick up a number of headlines.
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(MUSIC INTENSIFIES)
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The headlines caused me
real concern.
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When our parents abandoned us,
it was the...
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one of the first cases
of that kind of thing
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in New Zealand at the time,
and it made all the papers.
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Reporters turned up.
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We didn't totally understand
what was going on.
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As a couple,
John and Leigh Sabine
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were sought after by the authorities
for some 18 months.
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(FRANTIC MUSIC)
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Trying to locate them
to bring 'em back,
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hold them to account
for what they'd done.
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They were in a nationwide manhunt.
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The police were looking for them
everywhere, here and Australia.
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(PHONE RINGS)
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It was also apparent that the
Australian and New Zealand police
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had had real difficulties
in tracing John and Leigh Sabine,
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mainly due to the fact
that they were using aliases.
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John and Lee Jones,
John and Lee Martin.
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They're going from
one country to another...
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so that she could pursue
her cabaret singing career.
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(PENSIVE MUSIC)
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When Leigh introduced herself to us
the first time we met her,
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she couldn't wait
to tell us about her past.
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(CABARET MUSIC)
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She'd been a successful singer
back in New Zealand.
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She said that she'd done
many cabaret acts
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and she loved the high life.
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# ..Still think
That life could be...
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One day, I'd been up in Beddau
doing my local rounds.
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Leigh said that she had to go
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because she was going
to the hairdresser's
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to have her hair done
and makeup done
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because there was a film crew
coming from New Zealand.
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They were doing a programme
called "Where Are They Now?"
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about famous people.
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It was for a documentary
they were doing in New Zealand,
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who were looking for,
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basically, older famous people
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that have seemed to have
just drifted off the scene.
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Me thinking,
was she ever really that famous
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as a cabaret singer and dancer
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that they would want to be
finding out where she is?
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# I kept my stiff upper lip...
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And she was like, up on the-
with the pillars, you know.
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Her hands up and, like,
giving the pose and everything.
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# Then you came along
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# And you showed me they way... #
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(LAUGHS) And yeah,
so, yeah, God she was loving it.
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I thought then, "Oh my God,
she was bigger than what,
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you know, what I thought she was."
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(MUSIC CONCLUDES)
(APPLAUSE)
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GARETH: Was she a cabaret singer?
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You know, was that actual truth
or was that another story
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that she'd spun?
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But they got found by the press,
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and they ended up
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talking to the press
and giving their side of the story.
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(URGENT MUSIC)
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STEVE: (READS) "Lee Jones
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broke down and cried
in Perth yesterday
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as she told about
the five young children
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she and her hu- her husband
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left in New Zealand 15 months ago.
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We never intended
to desert our children.
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We hoped to give the kids
the good life."
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That's just bullshit.
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There's nothing else to say on that.
It's just crap.
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JANE: Then it hit the newspapers
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and it all came out.
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I can't imagine
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how my parents
just didn't come back.
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It's like, who did they think
was looking after us?
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How do they carry on with their life
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knowing they've got five children
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running around, could be hurt,
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you know?
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Just don't know what kind
of human beings do that.
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Just to be famous?
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Oh, she dumped us for fame, alright.
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That's what she thought
she was gonna get.
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(APPLAUSE)
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She wasn't.
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(LAUGHS) She wasn't that good.
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So, she wasn't a famous,
successful cabaret singer.
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Um, yes, she sang
in the odd bar and nightclub
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for not a lot of money.
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So Leigh Sabine,
despite giving the persona
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of a cabaret singer,
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someone who loved to tell a story...
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had a real selfish side,
a dark side.
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You know, a mother who was able
to abandon her five children,
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move to another country,
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and not really give them
a second thought.
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But we need evidence.
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We need hard evidence to prove
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that the killer is Leigh Sabine,
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if-if it is Leigh Sabine.
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(INVESTIGATIVE MUSIC)
(KEYBOARD CLACKING)
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(PHONE RINGS)
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GARETH: Forensic examination
of the packaging
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was going to be really important
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to see if there's any opportunity
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to yield any forensic evidence
which will take the case forward.
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It was significant packaging;
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14 sheets...
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wrapped around 41 times.
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So it was a really
challenging and difficult job.
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(TENSE, OMINOUS MUSIC)
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We were mainly looking for
fingerprints of the perpetrator,
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you know, the person who had wrapped
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this poor victim up
multiple times, really.
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We underestimated, I suppose,
the size of the wrappings.
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They were so big;
I'd say about 12-foot long.
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How on earth would we...
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How would we deal
with something like that?
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SAMANTHA:
Our fingerprint lab wasn't really
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equipped for that
kind of exhibit size,
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so we was almost thinking off
the spot and creating a mini lab.
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(SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC)
(SHUTTER CRANKS)
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JOANNE: We had a garage at the time.
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It had roller shutter doors
at the end.
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That was good for ventilation.
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So, we decided to move the wrappings
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and put them in there.
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It was Samantha who came up with
the idea of making a washing line
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that went from one side
of the garage to the other.
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Best idea ever.
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We were able to put these layers
over the top of this line,
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which took up the width
of most of the garage,
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to be honest,
just to give you the scale.
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(TENSE MUSIC)
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JOANNE: You have to meticulously
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look in every crook
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and every cranny for fingerprints.
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I don't think we ever realised
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the enormous task that was ahead,
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and this wasn't just
a couple of days,
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this was gonna take weeks.
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(MUSIC CONTINUES)
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(SHEEP BLEAT)
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(SOLEMN INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC)
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STEVE: So, my brothers and sisters,
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we bounced between homes a fair bit.
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I'm not actually sure how many
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homes or places I went to,
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but it felt like a lot.
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We never got any nurturing
or anything like that.
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I can still remember talking
to a foster parent, and, um, I says,
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"Oh, when my parents come back,"
and she says, "They didn't want you.
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No one wants ya."
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JANE: There was no love.
There was no...
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attachments.
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We didn't get shown the necessities.
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Like, we didn't get shown
how to brush teeth properly.
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Yeah, you always felt
like a second-class citizen.
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Mm.
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(MUSIC FADES)
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I mostly watched
my brothers and sisters
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getting beaten up,
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thrown on walls and...
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and I would just cry,
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watching, terrified, scared
that they were gonna get killed.
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One foster father...
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in particular was very abusive,
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mentally and physically.
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(GARAGE DOOR SQUEAKS OPEN)
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Marty and I had pet mice.
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One was a white one.
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One was a brown one.
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Any bit of pocket money we got,
we'd buy the little wheel
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that they swing around on,
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all the bells, all the balls.
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It was just something
we had, you know,
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that... that we could love.
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And this one day,
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this foster father said,
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"Come to the garage."
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(OMINOUS MUSIC)
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And he gave us a hammer each,
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and he said, "Now...
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kill them."
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Well, there was no way
I was gonna kill that mouse.
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And I started crying.
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Marty just took my hammer...
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and he killed both the mice.
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(GARAGE DOOR SQUEAKS)
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(THUDS CLOSED)
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The foster father,
he ruled that house
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with fear and intimidation.
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Just a horrible man.
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Horrible, horrible man.
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Very violent.
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(SINISTER MUSIC)
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He did some horrible things to Jane
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and LeeAnn. Um...
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And, you know, and...
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there's nothing I can do about that.
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I remember the f- very first time
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that the sexual abuse happened.
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LEE-ANN: I thought it was
just normal, you know.
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The foster father would...
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pull me into his room,
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um, and shut the door,
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or he would come into my bed
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after he had finished night shift.
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No one believed us.
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00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,360
I mean...
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they just told us
we were lying, making stuff up,
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and it happened all the time.
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I was just holding out
for the day that
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our parents would
come back and save me
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from what we were going through.
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(INHALES DEEPLY)
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00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,400
(BIRDS CAWING)
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(FOREBODING MUSIC)
(DOG BARKING)
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(MUSIC INTENSIFIES)
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The wrappings ended up
taking so much longer
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'cause you would open
the exhibit bag...
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and you can see the effort
that someone's gone into
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to try to conceal this body.
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Inside, you would have hundreds
and hundreds of different
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pieces of extra tape,
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you know, you've got rope, bungees.
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JOANNE:
We had tin foil, Tesco carrier bag.
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We had to examine each
and every one of them many times.
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Itemising everything
that we've found.
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Every wrapping that we opened
got worse and worse;
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very heavily contaminated
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with what I believe is body fluids.
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So it was very hard to pick it up
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'cause it was falling
through your fingers.
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And it was hard to examine 'cause
it was so thick and, like, gloopy.
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00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,600
(SINISTER MUSIC)
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00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,280
JOANNE: We found fingerprints.
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We got excited.
We thought it was brilliant.
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(CAMERA CLICKS)
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This is a piece of adhesive tape
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that was originally on the body
wrappings used to conceal the body.
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00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,840
You can see there's some areas
that have been picked up
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that look like a fingerprint.
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00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,680
But we needed an expert
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00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,320
to confirm if this was
a fingerprint or not.
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00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,480
It was a really exciting time then,
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00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,040
sending off that...
that-that forensic evidence
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00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,000
and hoping that this occasion
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we were gonna be able to identify
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Leigh Sabine as a suspect
in this crime.
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00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,240
(MUSIC FADES)
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00:25:15,288 --> 00:25:17,280
(AMBIENT STREET NOISE)
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00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,480
(SINISTER MUSIC)
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00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,160
JANE: When we were
discharged from care,
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I was dropped at a homeless shelter
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in Auckland City.
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STEVE: I-I got a job. I left school.
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Got locked up a few times.
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We were sort of in and out
of each other's lives a little bit.
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JANE: Me and Marty
had always stayed close.
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There's only, like,
13 months between me and Marty,
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so we were pretty much connected.
457
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,280
Jane and Martin, they were tight.
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00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:05,360
Marty was my...
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partner...
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in crime, so to speak.
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He met me one day
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and he was with this beautiful girl,
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and her name was Jodene.
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My name's Jodene Harris
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and my first ever boyfriend
was Martin Sabine.
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Love of my life.
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He was a cutie, cutie patootie.
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When he walked into a room,
he would just light up the room.
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00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,400
He just had the biggest,
cheekiest smile.
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That's what, um, you know,
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00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,520
I fell in love with straightaway.
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00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,840
As I got to know him,
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he sort of would tell me
stories about his childhood.
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He would often...
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think that he was bad
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because...
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some of the things
that he was forced to do
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when he was in foster care,
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like having to kill
their pet... mice.
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00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,240
He wasn't a bad kid at all.
He was...
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00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,760
just troubled, you know?
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(SIGHS)
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00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,320
So, Martin and I
had been together...
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about...
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nearly two years,
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and Martin came home one day
and said that
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he'd had a phone call
from his mother.
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And I said, "Your mother?"
And he said,
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"Yeah, my mum.
My mum, my birth mum."
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And I said, "What?!"
Couldn't believe it. "WHAT?!"
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STEVE: I was living in
a halfway house in Grafton.
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I was 22 years old
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and I hadn't seen
any of my siblings for a while...
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00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,840
and someone said,
"The phone's for you."
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00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,320
I went down...
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and answered the phone,
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and it was a guy and he goes,
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00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,000
"Steven, this is your dad, John."
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00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,400
And I says,
"This better be not a fucking joke,
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or I'll hunt you down."
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00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,480
And he goes, "No, it's no joke."
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00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,520
He told me the story that,
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00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,640
you know,
they were too scared to come back,
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00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,720
but, um, "Now...
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we wanna get the family back
together and we wanna start again."
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00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,160
And I... Then I just went numb.
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00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,640
Oh, Martin was beside himself.
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00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,840
He was SO happy
and he couldn't wait to, like,
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00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,360
get the girls together,
the family together.
510
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,400
I didn't believe Marty when he
told me that our parents were back,
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00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,080
because he was
a bit of a joker and that.
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00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,600
Well, I just was like...
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00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,480
so excited.
514
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,080
We get there,
and Marty says, "Come on,"
515
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,720
and he's first out of the car,
and I follow him up the steps.
516
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,640
And I walk down the hallway
517
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,120
and then I bump into my mother,
518
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,200
and she says...
519
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,520
"Oh, my...
520
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,480
darling baby."
521
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,440
She went to give me a hug
522
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,000
and I stepped back.
523
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,080
I was like... you know?
524
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,480
Feel like a stranger
had just come up to me.
525
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,080
I didn't feel like it was real.
526
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,440
JANE: They had said that
we were welcome to come and stay.
527
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,120
I thought, "Yes!"
528
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,000
I moved back first
529
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,080
and then Martin was like
a day or two after me.
530
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,600
Then Jane and Leanne moved back in,
531
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,960
and it was quite cool, actually.
532
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,240
Finally, I actually had a...
533
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,400
my own home.
534
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,120
Marty... was so happy.
535
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,320
All he ever wanted was that family,
536
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,560
that mum, that dad,
and live happily ever after.
537
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,600
You'd sort of dreamed about
what it would be like
538
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,840
and what would happened
if they come back
539
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,160
and things like that.
540
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,200
I thought, "Well,
this is meant to be," you know?
541
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,040
(BIRDS CHIRPING)
542
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,560
JANE: It was all really good.
My mother would get up at like,
543
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,520
about like four o'clock
in the morning
544
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,640
and start cooking dinner
for that night.
545
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,680
(GENTLE MUSIC)
546
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,440
She would cook the dinner
with a cigarette in her hand
547
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,360
and a wine in the other hand.
548
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,960
And I used to think,
"I hope that ash
549
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,400
doesn't fall in the food!"
(LAUGHS)
550
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,440
She used to smoke, like,
551
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,560
those long cigarettes
552
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,040
and she used to...
553
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,440
you know, the way she talked,
"Oh, darling...
554
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,840
tell me how your day was."
555
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,760
JANE: She had this sort of, like,
556
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,600
posh kind of persona.
557
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,080
I found her very...
558
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,040
over the top, like,
559
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,440
I think I felt like she was... fake.
560
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,680
I didn't really think about that,
I just thought
561
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,320
my mum and dad are back
562
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,360
and we can be a family again.
563
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,400
(MUSIC CONTINUES)
564
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,840
So, for the first week or two,
565
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,520
it was really nice.
566
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,760
It was...
it was everything you'd ever want.
567
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,280
But then that ended.
568
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,160
I... would tell our mother
569
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,440
about things that happened to us,
570
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,240
abuse that had happened
571
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,040
in the homes that we were in.
572
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,320
At the time, when I felt
573
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,560
unable to tell people
about the abuse
574
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,960
that was going on...
575
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,920
I wrote poetry.
576
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,360
I...
577
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,400
wrote a poem...
578
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,640
that said:
579
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,800
"Is the big bad wolf
false or fiction?
580
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,560
He's entered my world.
581
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,680
I see his picture.
582
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,320
He enters my room,
583
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,160
wide, smiling face.
584
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,880
He silently whispers,
585
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,000
"Move over, make space."
586
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,480
I cannot explain Mr. Wolf's charm,
587
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,000
for although he is gentle
588
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,560
I know he means harm.
589
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,560
He leads me, he guides me,
590
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,400
he shows me the way.
591
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,920
But his only motive
is to make me his prey."
592
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,920
I remember the look on her face
593
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,520
was...
594
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,040
like, "I don't wanna hear it,"
type look.
595
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,120
She didn't wanna talk about
how we were brought up.
596
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,520
Although I was happy
for them to be back
597
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,760
and it was all I had hoped for...
598
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,800
I needed answers.
599
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,280
I wanted to... to know
600
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,040
what was their reason for leaving,
and not coming back.
601
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,920
And she quite bluntly said...
602
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,240
"Oh, I don't feel
we owe you an explanation."
603
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,120
And I'm sitting there thinking,
"What the..."
604
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,400
I don't know what they expected.
605
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,440
Did they not think
that we were going to ask,
606
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,720
"Where have you been?"
607
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,800
I just didn't wanna rock the boat.
608
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,200
I just wanted to get
this family thing sorted and...
609
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,920
life would move on, you know?
610
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,800
But Jane wasn't scared
to rock the boat.
611
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,640
She could have said anything.
She could have said, "I'm sorry."
612
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,440
"I'm sorry" would have been great.
613
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,120
There was no smidge of a
acknowledgement whatsoever.
614
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,400
I wasn't prepared to accept that.
615
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,040
When I asked again,
616
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,080
"Why did you leave us?"
617
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,240
she'd had enough.
618
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,080
And she kicked Jane out.
619
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,720
And then she kicked me out!
620
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,280
(DOOR SLAMS)
621
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,480
I still wanted those answers
622
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,040
and I was gonna do anything
to get them.
623
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,320
And that's when it all blew up.
624
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,679
(DRAMATIC MUSIC)
625
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,159
I felt well going to the media
would give me some answers.
626
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:22,400
A film crew came over
from Australia, Channel 9.
627
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,520
They had asked
628
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,440
if we would take them
into the property, which we did.
629
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,320
Well, I went along with Jane
630
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,560
and the film crew
631
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,920
to our parents' house, and...
632
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,639
they get us to go
and knock on the door.
633
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,080
(KNOCKING ON DOOR)
634
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,080
Anyone home?
635
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:49,360
Hi.
Hi.
636
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,600
Mr Sabine.
Wait!
637
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,040
Mr Sabine, we are from
the Michael Willesee Show
638
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,880
in Sydney, Australia, sir.
639
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,600
Mr Sabine?
The police are on their way.
640
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,000
Mr Sabine, we only
want to have a chat to you, sir.
641
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,720
Not the way you're doing it. Sorry.
We'll turn the cameras off, sir.
642
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,520
No one's hurting you,
but me and Lee-Ann
643
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,600
and that's because you hurt us.
644
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,440
My father kept telling them,
"Just go away, just go away."
645
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,680
Right there was a window
that was wide open
646
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:16,280
that I could fit through.
647
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,280
These journalists wanted a story.
648
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,400
They noticed the window, actually,
649
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,920
and said, "Would you be prepared
to climb through there?"
650
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,120
Me wanting to be a pleaser
651
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,600
and get the answers I wanted,
"Yeah, I'll do that."
652
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,920
So, when I climbed
through the window,
653
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,560
I opened the door.
654
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,000
That allowed the film crew
into the house.
655
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,520
They just kept filming
the whole time.
656
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,720
(OVERLAPPING ARGUING)
657
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,560
You owe us an explanation.
658
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,440
If you'd done it properly,
I would have done.
659
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,040
No, you wouldn't.
Yes, we would.
660
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,560
We stood at the door-
I tried to get a reconciliation.
661
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,440
Why did you call us mental retards?
Stop touching my sister!
662
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,520
Why did you call us
mental retards...
663
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,040
'It turned into a screaming match.'
664
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,920
(ARGUING CONTINUES)
665
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,160
Please get out the house.
I'll tell the police.
666
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,920
(DOOR SLAMS)
My mother saying,
667
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,320
"Who are you? You're not
even my daughter, go away."
668
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,480
So, my mother,
she rang me and she said,
669
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,760
"You've got to get home.
Journalists everywhere."
670
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,000
You can do me for assault
but if that cameras don't stop,
671
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,680
it'll go down your fucking throat.
Hold on, mate, it's a public-
I was angry, alright.
672
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:25,120
Would you like your fucking family
destroyed, buddy?
673
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,880
(STATIC CRACKLES) Much too...
You can move that off here, please.
674
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,320
(SCREAMING AND SHOUTING)
675
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,920
It got heated and I threw a punch
676
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,800
that connected with my mother.
677
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,840
(SCREAMING AND SHOUTING)
678
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,120
And she rang the police on me.
679
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,080
Where are you taking Jane?
Where are you-
680
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,320
Henderson Police Station.
Henderson Police Station.
681
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,160
And you can't tell us
any more about that?
682
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,320
Leigh was really angry with Jane.
683
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,480
"How could you do that?
That bloody little bitch," you know.
684
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,960
Jane had challenged her...
685
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,040
and my mother was that angry.
686
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,960
You could see the rage in her.
687
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,320
And I sort of looked at her
and I thought, "My God...
688
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,120
she could kill someone."
689
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,040
(BIRDSONG)
690
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,440
(UNSETTLING MUSIC BUILDS)
691
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,480
REPORTER: Police in Pontypridd are
continuing a murder investigation
692
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,560
after a man's body
was discovered hidden
693
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,160
in plastic wrapping
at a block of flats
694
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,440
in the Beddau area of the town.
695
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,560
(KEYBOARD CLACKING)
696
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,080
Obviously, a lot of work was still
ongoing in the background,
697
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,080
particularly around the forensics.
698
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,200
I receive a phone call then,
and an update from our team.
699
00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:01,000
They'd done significant work,
going through the packaging,
700
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,920
detail, inch-by-inch...
701
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,320
but they'd unfortunately
not been able to recover
702
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,840
any fingerprint evidence
703
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,360
which was going to help us
identify a suspect.
704
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,040
SAMANTHA: It was a tricky one.
705
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,280
The ones we found
that looked like fingerprints
706
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,880
turned out not to be.
707
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,920
JOANNE: At the end, they decided
that it was the adhesive
708
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,520
mixed in with the body fluids,
709
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,520
rather than a fingerprint mark.
710
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,800
Of course, it's a real blow,
but it wasn't all bad news...
711
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,280
because within that packaging,
712
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,320
there was a number of things
they had picked out;
713
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,760
certain fibres
and other things of value.
714
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,360
But the most significant find
was a piece of hair.
715
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,400
That was a major bit of information.
716
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,600
(LOCK BEEPS)
717
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,960
We were quite keen to understand
who that belonged to.
718
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,560
It was compared for the DNA
of the victim,
719
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,600
and it was found not to be a match.
720
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,960
That again brought additional
excitement in the investigation team
721
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,040
'cause what we've got there
is a foreign piece of DNA,
722
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,280
potentially belonged
to Leigh Sabine.
723
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,400
(AMBIENT STREET NOISE)
724
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,760
(CAMERA CLICKS)
725
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,880
REPORTER:
Jane, how do you feel now that
726
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,680
today's events seem to be over?
727
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:36,000
Um, I don't know.
728
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,360
When I got arrested,
729
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,000
I was furious.
730
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,800
And I wrote a letter
731
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,320
to the Minister of Social Welfare.
732
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,920
I wanted them charged
with child abandonment
733
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,840
because I feel
they should be accountable.
734
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,800
Steven and Martin were pissed off.
735
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,320
I was angry alright,
736
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,080
because I actually felt like
we had a chance to be a family,
737
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,280
you know, and that's
all I'd ever wanted.
738
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,280
Steven and Martin,
they were still living there.
739
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,080
They wanted to...
740
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,080
stay and be a family.
741
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,280
I was still clinging on,
so was Martin.
742
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,880
REPORTER: For the first time,
the sons who live here
743
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,280
with the long-lost parents
spoke out.
744
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,400
Martin and I got an interview done
745
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,360
to say,
"Hey, can you leave us alone?"
746
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,760
You can't keep dragging up the past.
747
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,800
Y-You gotta keep on going.
748
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,680
REPORTER: But they say they cannot
forgive their two younger sisters
749
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:39,720
for going public
about their parents' return.
750
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,200
Yeah, it was the boys
against the girls.
751
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,880
I dunno, we seem
to get along with them alright.
752
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,880
They just...
753
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,640
can't handle being told what to do.
754
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,320
You're living with your parents,
755
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,160
not-not relying on
foster parents or anything,
756
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,280
which they never really treated you
the same as their own kids.
757
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,200
It's just... It's just good
to have your own parents.
758
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:03,800
REPORTER: They say their parents
are living with a lot of shame
759
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,600
and fear and the hope they will
760
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,880
not be prosecuted
for child abandonment.
761
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,880
The letter requesting
that my parents be
762
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,320
charged with child abandonment...
763
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:16,920
was declined.
764
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,080
No charges would be brought
against them,
765
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,080
due to the fact my two brothers
766
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,920
wished to remain and have
some kind of relationship with them.
767
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,760
(SOLEMN, PENSIVE MUSIC)
768
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,360
But people were angry.
769
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,200
We only wanted to give you
the right of reply.
770
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:39,400
You should have phoned before you...
JANE: And people wanted
771
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,040
blood, basically.
772
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,200
And they too thought
773
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:46,360
our parents should be accountable.
774
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,840
And then it just blew up.
775
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,320
STEVE:
They got hounded by the press.
776
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,560
My mother thought,
"Oh, here we fucking go again.
777
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,520
The press are coming." You know?
778
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,120
And it was panic time,
it really was.
779
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,880
And it spiralled
out of control for her, you know?
780
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,920
REPORTER: Are you their mother?
781
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,320
No, I'm not their mother
and I've answered that one before.
782
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,560
And then they ran away,
and we're all left.
783
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,520
Leigh and John,
I think their main
784
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,480
concern was ending up in jail,
785
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,520
so they left in the dead of night.
786
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,440
They went to the UK.
787
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,240
They were here one day,
gone the next.
788
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,120
They didn't want us from the start,
did they?
789
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,040
I mean, like,
I feel like I've never had
790
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,920
a real sense of belonging,
791
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,280
and I may as well
carry on... with that.
792
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,000
REPORTER:
So, what are you gonna do now?
793
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,960
Just carry on my life,
794
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,560
just with me and Jane.
795
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,520
If they don't want us, then...
796
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,200
it's hard luck for us.
797
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,640
Yeah, it's pretty hard to comprehend
what sort of people do that.
798
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,520
STEVE: That's how my mother was,
799
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,320
and it's what she did.
800
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,600
She didn't wanna be questioned,
801
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,480
she didn't wanna be
made to feel accountable.
802
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,720
She didn't want to...
803
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,760
have to answer to anybody.
804
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,920
STEVE: Then if she got challenged...
805
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,800
she would run away.
806
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,760
(SOLEMN MUSIC)
807
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,640
Once we started to unpick
the life of Leigh Sabine,
808
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,520
the picture we were getting better
was someone who was actually
809
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,680
quite robust, quite selfish,
810
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:41,360
um, quite aggressive, uh...
811
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,840
and who had a willingness to,
you know, do whatever it took
812
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,680
to protect herself.
813
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,320
Obviously, great news that we had
found this forensic DNA...
814
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,560
but we needed
to connect it to someone.
815
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,880
GARETH: Sadly, we didn't have
her DNA on record
816
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,040
and that was a real challenge.
817
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,080
And then it occurred to me
that she'd been
818
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,680
in palliative care
prior to her death.
819
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:06,320
So I sent some detectives
820
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,360
to make some enquiries there
with the doctors,
821
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,200
just to see if they retained
any blood, any tissue samples.
822
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,040
And I was able
to recover some slides
823
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,960
and derive a DNA sample
824
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,120
of Leigh Sabine,
which we were able to compare
825
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,440
to-to the hair that was recovered
from the packaging.
826
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,800
And we were lucky that when
that sample did actually come back,
827
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,760
it was a positive match
for Leigh Sabine.
828
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,640
So, that was a real breakthrough.
829
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,160
That instantly puts her firmly
830
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,520
as a prime suspect in the case.
831
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,960
REPORTER: This woman is now at the
centre of a murder investigation,
832
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,640
but police can't arrest
and question her
833
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,520
because she died from cancer
two months ago.
834
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,880
GARETH: So far, Leigh Sabine
was the only person that had
835
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,480
any association with the body
found in the garden.
836
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,320
But we still didn't know
who the victim was.
837
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,520
We had no idea who the victim was.
838
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,480
(SOLEMN MUSIC)
839
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,120
When my parents left for the UK,
840
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,320
Marty was really... broken.
841
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,400
He wouldn't speak to me after that.
842
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:13,880
Oh, he was devastated.
843
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,160
His world came
crashing down around him,
844
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,080
and so he was just saying, you know,
"Do you mind if I go?"
845
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,120
and "I'm gonna go,
I don't wanna lose them"
846
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,960
and, you know, and I said,
847
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,320
"Yeah, go. Do what you need to do."
848
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,320
And so he did.
849
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,520
You're living with your parents,
850
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,080
not-not relying on
foster parents or anything.
851
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,520
'Cause they never really treated you
the same as their own kids.
852
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,280
It's just good
to have your own parents.
853
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,040
And that's the last time
I seen Martin alive.
854
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,240
(SOLEMN MUSIC)
855
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,120
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