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Are you familiar with
the extinct volcano
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that is Arthur's Seat in Edinburgh?
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Yes.
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Were you on Arthur's Seat
on the second of September?
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Yes.
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Did you hear anything out of
the ordinary?
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I heard a scream.
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LINE RINGS
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999 OPERATOR:
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CHEERING
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The main charge is that the accused
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did assault his wife,
Fawziyah Javed,
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and did push her from height at
Arthur's Seat in Edinburgh...
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..and was so severely
injured that she died,
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and he did murder her.
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NEWSREEL: A man has been arrested in
connection with a suspicious death
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of a woman who fell from
Arthur's Seat in Edinburgh.
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You have no evidence to tell
you what happened on the hill.
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You're just being asked
to take a massive guess.
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The accused will maintain
that this was simply an accident.
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How then does the Crown demonstrate
that there was a deliberate push?
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I've prosecuted many murder cases
over the course of my career,
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but for a variety of reasons,
this case is extraordinary.
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For Fawziyah's mum,
and indeed the whole family,
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this is a very emotional
and difficult time.
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They have attended all
the way from Leeds to be here.
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It's going to be a
traumatic time for all of us.
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I know I'm going to
come face-to-face with him.
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This person has destroyed us.
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CLERK: Court.
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We all wanted to know what
actually happened to Fawziyah.
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And we'll fight to get her justice.
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I want answers.
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Whoa!
SHE CHUCKLES
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If there's one memory I have
about Fawziyah, is just laughing.
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Where did you come from?!
SHE LAUGHS
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Fawziyah was almost like a,
a wonder woman.
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She was smart, she was beautiful.
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Some would say she had it all.
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PRODUCER: As the trial starts,
what's going through your mind?
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Hate...
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Hate for him.
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Right, good morning, everyone.
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Advocate Depute,
what's happening first today?
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Thank you, my Lord,
the first witness for the Crown
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is number 26 on the Crown list.
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All right, thank you.
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The key issue is what happened
on Arthur's Seat.
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So, I will open the case with
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one of the witnesses who
was on the hill at the time.
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However, we don't have an
eyewitness other than the accused.
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The defence might argue that's
there's insufficient evidence
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to justify murder.
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So it's up to me to prove
the case beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Have you been on
Arthur's Seat on many occasions?
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Yes.
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Would I be right in saying
there are several routes
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that one can take to
get to the summit?
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Mm-hm, correct.
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Is it an area which
is prone to recreation
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with lots of people
walking up there?
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To my knowledge, yes.
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There's a good view of Edinburgh
from the top, is that correct?
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Yes.
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Were you on Arthur's Seat
on the 2nd of September 2021?
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Yes.
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Did you hear anything
out of the ordinary?
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I heard a scream.
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Could you tell if it was
a male or female scream?
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There were a couple of screams,
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one was from a female screaming,
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and then I heard a male screaming.
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And then I saw a
gentleman coming down
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basically asking for help,
very panicked.
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Would you recognise
the male if you saw him again?
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Yes.
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Could you look round the
court and tell me if you see him?
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There.
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And just for the record purposes,
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you've pointed to the man
between the two security officers
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in the dock, is that right?
Correct. All right.
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Was any explanation offered
to you as to what had happened?
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The gentleman said that his wife
had fallen off of Arthur's Seat
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off of the summit,
and he wanted me to dial 999.
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And did you do that?
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Yes. Right.
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I'm going to play a recording,
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which is label number one,
a treble nine call.
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LINE RINGS
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999 OPERATOR:
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After that point, what happened?
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The gentleman kept trying
to go over to-to
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get to the woman who had fallen.
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But, uh, he was struggling
to get up there.
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I think it was just his shoes
or it was just slippy at the time.
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And did you receive a call back from
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the emergency services, the
Ambulance Service in particular?
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Yes.
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Did the man you've identified
also speak on the telephone?
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Yes.
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999 OPERATOR:
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All right, thank you very much.
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Mr Duguid?
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How many times had you been up
to the summit on Arthur's Seat?
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I would say over 100, most of my
life I've been going up there, so.
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All right.
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So, you are aware of
part of the summit
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which descends quite rapidly from,
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I suppose, the top of some crags,
or rocks or cliffs, is that right?
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Yes, I do my best to avoid it.
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Mm. And I take it you
do your best to avoid it
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because you know about it?
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Yes. Is that right?
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Yes.
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So, when you're on the summit,
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you know how to
descend from the summit
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and where not to go?
Is that correct?
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Correct.
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Now, you were explaining how
the man, whom you've identified,
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appeared to be slipping,
is that right?
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Yes, he appeared
to be losing balance.
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And I think you used the description
of him as being very panicked?
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Correct. I take it that was
the impression you gained
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of his, uh, situation?
Is that correct?
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Yes, correct.
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Thank you very much.
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The starting point
for any defence in a case
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is the instructions you
have from the accused.
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So, the accused says,
"I didn't commit this crime,
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"here's the circumstances,
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"can you defend me?"
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Accused persons deserve
the best representation
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that the law can provide,
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and you give every case
everything you've got, really.
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That's the way I see it.
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This is my favourite
one of Fawziyah.
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And maybe she just had a bath, and
she was just so giggly and happy.
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So natural.
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The life that I had, that's gone.
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It's finished.
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And Fawziyah was our life,
she's our world, our everything.
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Sorry, I can't do any more.
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Fawziyah was an angel on earth.
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Me and my husband couldn't
have asked for a better baby.
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She attracted attention
wherever she went,
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you know, anybody that
would come to the door,
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she'd go running and
just start chatting to them.
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So extravert, so outgoing.
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Everybody just fell
in love with her.
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And at the age of eight,
she wanted to become a lawyer.
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She stood for fairness and justice.
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Even at that age,
you could just tell.
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She'd always say to me "Maama"...
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"Maama" in Punjabi,
it means uncle.
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She's always said,
"Maama, how are you?"
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Yasmin invested all
her hard work in Fawziyah.
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And Fawziyah was the
only one in the family
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to be educated privately.
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Yasmin was probably on £5 an hour,
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and she used to pay like £20
an hour for a private tuition.
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I can remember the graduation day,
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she was saying to me that,
"I'm gonna become a lawyer,
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"I'll make you very proud."
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That was like the
happiest time of my life.
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Seeing her, you know, doing well.
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On a boat right now.
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It's not setting off, but I
think we're all feeling scared.
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Smile Baapu.
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We did a lot of things together,
lunches together,
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holidays together.
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She took us to places that I would
never have ever dreamt of going.
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Hello.
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Aw, that's quite cute.
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Ah, kisses only
Tuesday or Wednesday.
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Oh, my God, the water is so cold.
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It wasn't a question
of mother and daughter,
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they were best friends.
They were very close.
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It just breaks my
heart when I see that...
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..it's no longer...
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..gonna happen anymore.
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Yes, Advocate Depute,
who's next please?
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My Lord, the next witness is
number five on the Crown list,
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Nighat Yasmin Javed.
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It's going to be very painful
for my sister to give evidence.
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But she's very brave,
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and we know she's gonna
do this for Fawziyah.
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Would you say these words
back to me, please?
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Yeah, sure. "I solemnly
sincerely and truly..."
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I solemnly truly and sincerely...
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"..declare and affirm..."
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..declare and affirm...
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"..that I will tell the truth..."
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..that I will tell the truth...
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"..the whole truth..."
..the whole truth.
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"..and nothing but the truth."
..and nothing but the truth.
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Thank you very much.
Yes, Advocate Depute? Thank you.
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Now, are you Nighat Yasmin Javed,
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more commonly known as Yasmin Javed?
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That's right, yes.
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And did you have
a daughter, Fawziyah?
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Yes? That's right.
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Yeah.
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Were you close to your daughter?
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Very close.
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She was an only child.
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What was her occupation?
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She was a solicitor,
employment law.
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Employment law.
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Did she form a relationship
with a man called Kashif Anwar?
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That's right, yes.
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And do you recognise him? Yeah.
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Could just point to him please?
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There. You've pointed
to the man in the dock
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between the two security officers.
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Yeah.
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Tell us how that
relationship came about?
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When the accused was working as
a optical assistant in Leeds,
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I went in there to purchase some
glasses accompanied by Fawziyah.
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So, it was like friendly chit-chat.
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And then, um, Fawziyah
worked in the city centre,
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and they bumped into
each other one day.
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And he actually said to her,
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"Look, um, this is the type
of girl that I want to marry."
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It's lit.
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Don't do it that way, Kash.
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When I met him,
he was very, very confident.
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He came across as a very
caring young person, very genuine.
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Fawziyah was a practising Muslim,
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and faith was
important to him as well.
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WHISPERS: Fawziyah. Look up.
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They seemed really happy together.
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Love you.
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He told her that she had everything
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that he was looking for in a wife.
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Beautiful, independent, intelligent.
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He said he wanted to be a very good
husband to Fawziyah.
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Fawziyah was happy with him.
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Me and my husband
were happy with him.
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You know, there was
no reason to think otherwise.
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Did Fawziyah's view of
the relationship change?
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Um...
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The accused seemed a bit, um...
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..possessive.
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Uh...
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..a bit of a hot temper.
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Did you ever see any
example of a hot temper?
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Yeah.
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We were on the way to get the rings.
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We got into the car.
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We all had our seat belts on
apart from the accused.
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And Fawziyah told him
to put his seat belt on,
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and he refused.
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Fawziyah said to him,
"Look, I could get into trouble."
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And he just snapped.
255
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He got really, really angry,
256
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shouting, and swearing
and screaming.
257
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It was something that
I'd never seen before,
258
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it was...an extreme reaction.
259
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But he was very, very apologetic.
260
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He apologised to me,
261
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he apologised to Fawziyah.
262
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He told me that he was
stressed out with his studying.
263
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And I-I believed him.
264
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There was something about
him that was bugging me.
265
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There was just something
about him that I didn't like.
266
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When I first met him,
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I was speaking to his father
introducing myself,
268
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and then he just cut in and goes,
"Oh, forget my father."
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And he spoke over me.
270
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And I didn't like that.
271
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His cockiness and his arrogance
put me off straight away.
272
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She was like a
Bentley Continental,
273
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one of my favourite cars.
274
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You know, and he was
like a Nissan Micra.
275
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But Fawziyah was happy with him,
276
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Fawziyah made her choice.
277
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And I had to accept that.
278
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PHOTOGRAPHER: Look at me.
279
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Right round here, yeah? Yeah.
280
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And then just place it across.
281
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Like that? Yeah, lovely, smile.
282
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Fawziyah was an absolutely
stunning and beautiful bride.
283
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Are you sure I look nice?
284
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Yes!
285
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When Fawziyah married
him at the mosque,
286
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Fawziyah was very happy.
287
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CHEERING
288
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In our culture, the girl always goes
to the boy's side of the family.
289
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So, after the ceremony,
290
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Fawziyah went to live
with his parents and her husband.
291
00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:38,400
He and his parents had
actually come to our house.
292
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And I made it
absolutely crystal clear
293
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that Fawziyah could do the basics,
294
00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:44,640
but she wasn't
going to be doing housework
295
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and cooking all day,
because she was a career woman,
296
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she was a lawyer.
297
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She wasn't a housewife,
put it that way.
298
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And they were
absolutely fine with that,
299
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all three of them.
300
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,480
So, Fawziyah went to live with them.
301
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,000
So, I first met Fawziyah in 2018
302
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,520
when I first joined at the firm.
303
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And we just clicked.
304
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,600
Sometimes during our lunch break,
we'd grab bubble tea,
305
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that was our thing.
306
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,080
We used to grab
bubble tea and go to a park.
307
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She was very charismatic,
308
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,520
it was absolutely impossible
for you to not to love her.
309
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PHOTOGRAPHER: Stay there a second,
do that again?
310
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Because of the Covid restrictions,
311
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not many people from work
could be invited to the wedding.
312
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,640
So Fawziyah texted me a few days
313
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,600
after the ceremony
actually happened,
314
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,640
"Hello, my little ingredient,
315
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,200
just wanted to drop
you a quick message
316
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,480
to say I got
married last-last week."
317
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:54,680
Um...
318
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,120
Um, and I told her congratulations,
319
00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:06,760
and she replied "Thank you.
Hopefully we can celebrate soon."
320
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,600
She sent me some
photographs from the wedding.
321
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,880
I remember I told her
that she looked beautiful.
322
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,000
The next time we saw each
other was in a shopping centre
323
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,400
when we went for bubble tea.
324
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,720
She never talked
about Kashif's parents.
325
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,400
But one thing I did find strange was
326
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,120
every time she would
refer to them, she would,
327
00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:40,680
she would say,
"The people I live with."
328
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,080
She was taking a lot of pictures,
more than usual,
329
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,360
and it sort of gave
me the impression
330
00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:51,560
she was sending them to somebody.
331
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,840
Kashif called at some point
and he asked Fawziyah
332
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,400
if we wanted to go for a pizza.
333
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,240
And then she said, "No,
I don't think Ingrid's hungry."
334
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,120
And that was it.
335
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,720
SOLICITOR: So far as you were aware,
336
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,120
was Fawziyah someone who
would use social media?
337
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,480
Yes, she did, yes.
338
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,120
Did her use of social
media change at all
339
00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:28,040
while in the relationship with
Mr Anwar? It did. Yeah, yeah.
340
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,360
In what way? She deactivated
her Facebook account.
341
00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:33,400
Why was that?
342
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,200
Because the accused said
to her that, "I'm not on Facebook
343
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,840
"and it'll be good to just
concentrate on the marriage
344
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,920
"rather than being on social media."
345
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,400
And she took that onboard. Yeah.
346
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,480
Were you aware of Fawziyah
having blocked
347
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,880
any family members or
friends from social media?
348
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,240
Fawziyah hadn't, but the
accused had got into her phone
349
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,640
and started blocking
male members of the family.
350
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,000
Did she ever tell
you anything about money
351
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,280
having been transferred
from her account?
352
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,080
She did. She said that the accused,
353
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,080
one day while she was asleep,
354
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,400
logged into her bank account online
355
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,720
and withdrew £12,000
356
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,640
and put it into his account.
357
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:30,200
Were you aware of telephone calls
from Mr Anwar to your daughter?
358
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,400
Yes.
359
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,320
I overheard phone conversations.
360
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,000
PRODUCER: So, this is her room?
361
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
362
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,360
And have you changed much?
363
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:50,840
No.
364
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,360
I remember it was Ramadan, and she'd
come back home to stay with us.
365
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,520
She was upstairs in her room,
366
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,840
and I could hear his
voice on that phone call,
367
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,080
and I was just besides myself.
368
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,160
SOLICITOR: I'm going
to play a recording,
369
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,760
which is Crown label eight,
370
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,480
which are calls recorded
on the 30th of April 2021.
371
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:42,240
My Lord, the first call
is Crown production 103.
372
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,120
RECORDING:
373
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,240
"You're a disease
in everyone's life.
374
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,760
"The sooner you're dead, or the
sooner you're out of my life,
375
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,640
"it'll be better."
376
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,200
What was Fawziyah's reaction
to that sort of comment?
377
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,760
Upset, extremely upset.
378
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,160
Next part, also on the same day,
379
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,800
this time it is
Crown production 25, please.
380
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,000
RECORDING:
381
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,120
Thank you, that might be the
suitable point to break, my Lord.
382
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:36,440
Yeah, so, can I ask you please to
return for quarter to two, please?
383
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,520
Thank you very much.
384
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,560
Playing the recordings,
385
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,800
this is not about
tugging emotional strings.
386
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,720
Court.
387
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,640
It's about the way in
which he spoke to her,
388
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,560
which demonstrates,
what I will suggest,
389
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,760
is a controlling
and coercive course of conduct.
390
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,200
Hearing her voice and
hearing her break down
391
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,480
in the recordings and that,
392
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,000
it's just awful.
393
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,360
She didn't deserve any of this.
394
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,760
Really sad to see that
what Fawziyah went through.
395
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,720
By the time Fawziyah was
two or three years old,
396
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,600
I was an early teenager.
397
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,360
I used to babysit Fawziyah
a lot when her parents were working.
398
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,200
She used to come here,
play with us in the back street.
399
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,160
We used to play with her toys.
400
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,840
I used to hold her hand,
walk around the garden with her.
401
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,560
Lots of happy memories here.
402
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,520
She used to hold on to
my little finger,
403
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,800
"Uncle, I want some sweets."
404
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,560
So, we'd go there and, you know,
405
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,840
Fawziyah was a big part of the...
406
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,040
..big part of the community.
407
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,280
I weren't aware of the,
of the details that are emerging,
408
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,680
it's a big shock.
409
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:22,760
Big shock to us.
410
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,360
Just really upsetting that we
weren't there to do anything,
411
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,600
because we didn't
know it was happening.
412
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:39,760
I remember Fawziyah sent me a text
message after she got married.
413
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,840
She wrote "Salams,
I hope you're well inshallah,
414
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,320
just wanted to say thank you very
much for the wedding money."
415
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,160
And I wrote back the next day,
416
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,400
"Wa alaikum Salam,
I hope you're well
417
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,880
"and settling down
with your new family.
418
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,280
"Remember,
life never goes according to plan,
419
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,280
"it's like a roller-coaster.
420
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,440
"Don't be coming home and moaning
about little things
421
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,560
"to your mum and dad,
instead work at your marriage
422
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,160
"and give and take and compromise.
423
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,680
"But I want you
to remember one thing.
424
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,000
"Until...until my
last day of breath,
425
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,440
"your Maamu is and will
be always here for you."
426
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,480
I-I-I blame myself.
427
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,960
For writing that, saying,
428
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,680
"Don't be coming home
for little things."
429
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,960
Maybe that was what
stopped her from telling me.
430
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,480
JUDGE: Will there be questions,
Mr Duguid?
431
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,040
Mrs Javed,
I just have a few questions for you.
432
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,160
Would I be right in
thinking that after the calls,
433
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,560
which we heard,
434
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:13,160
she went back to live with her
husband Kashif Anwar, is that right?
435
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,360
That's right.
436
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,000
And when it got to
their visit to Edinburgh,
437
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,280
do you know what it
was intended for?
438
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,880
Just a break to get away.
439
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,600
Were they hoping that
perhaps their relationship
440
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,080
would be improved after the break?
441
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,840
There was no mention
of that whatsoever.
442
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,760
Did you realise that they'd come up,
443
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,880
stayed in a hotel,
444
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,720
taken a day trip to
a place called Loch Ness?
445
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,920
Yeah.
446
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,240
And did she say
anything about the trip?
447
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,360
She just said it was very tiring.
448
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,720
TANNOY: Adult life
jackets are stored under...
449
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,800
Did she say anything about
having enjoyed the trip or not?
450
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,960
You know, since this
horrific incident,
451
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,160
I can't recall a lot of information.
452
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,280
OK.
453
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,640
Did you find out that they had
booked to go for afternoon tea
454
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,280
at the Balmoral Hotel?
455
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,960
Yeah. I knew that.
456
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,200
So, did it ever cross your mind that
their trip to Edinburgh
457
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,320
might be some kind of
effort on each of their parts
458
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,800
to try and sort of their differences
and go ahead as a married couple?
459
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,520
Did that ever cross your mind?
460
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,960
Cert, no certainly wasn't
the intention of Fawziyah.
461
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,320
I can't say for the accused,
but definitely not Fawziyah.
462
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,800
So the fact that if they had
a good time in each other's company,
463
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,560
visited various locations,
464
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,000
does that surprise you?
465
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,680
The words that
Fawziyah used to me were,
466
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,560
"I'm buying my time,
I know what I'm doing."
467
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,680
So she was putting on a front,
468
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,240
doing what she had to do,
to leave the accused.
469
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,760
But I-I saw that you gave
a very long interview
470
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,040
or a very long
statement to the police
471
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,680
on the 8th of September 2021.
472
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,440
So, five days after you heard
about her death on the 3rd. Yeah.
473
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,840
Is there a reason why you
hadn't mentioned to the police
474
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,520
that you'd spoken with your daughter
475
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,680
and that was going
to be her intention?
476
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,680
Well, bearing in mind
477
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,480
I'd just had this shocking
devastating news
478
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,400
that I've lost my only child
in horrific circumstances,
479
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,320
so my head was all over the place.
480
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,720
And you putting that to me,
481
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:43,160
I can't even remember
whether I said that or not.
482
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,640
Well, please don't think I want to
put you at any kind of disadvantage,
483
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,480
but there is a...
484
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,000
..something like 23 pages
of typewritten script
485
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,880
of what you had said at that time.
486
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,240
And it just occurred to me that
487
00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:00,720
nothing like that was
mentioned to the police.
488
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,160
That would be of some significance,
though, wouldn't it?
489
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,000
That after what was
intended to be a break,
490
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,280
that she was going to leave him?
491
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,200
My head was all over the place.
492
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,160
I fainted twice after
giving that statement,
493
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,880
so I can't even
remember what I said.
494
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,560
So it comes as a bit of a surprise,
you putting that question to me.
495
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,160
I thought I had said it.
496
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,400
Thank you very much.
497
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,040
Right, you're free to go,
thank you very much.
498
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,440
Thank you so much.
499
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,200
If the public gallery
is full of relatives,
500
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,160
of course you're conscious of that.
501
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,520
But it doesn't change anything
for you as a defence counsel.
502
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,800
The people in the
gallery may not like
503
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,040
the inquiry that's being made,
504
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,240
but you can't ever think,
"I can't ask that question."
505
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:58,720
That wouldn't ever happen.
506
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:00,600
So we'll stop there for today.
507
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,320
Can I ask you please
to be back for ten tomorrow.
508
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,680
See you then, thank you.
509
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,760
It was tough, it feels like a blur.
510
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,640
Yeah, I can't even
remember my responses.
511
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,400
I did what I had to do.
512
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:26,080
She obviously found some
things difficult to remember,
513
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,000
but that's understandable.
514
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,520
To stand on a witness box
and then face a jury, lawyers,
515
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,480
and then you add the
grief of the case itself.
516
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,160
That took great courage.
517
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,360
But you never know what
view the jury take.
518
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,200
NEWSREEL: Yasmin Javed,
seen here on the left,
519
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,560
said she started to worry
about her daughter, Fawziyah,
520
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,040
a few months after she
married Kashif Anwar.
521
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,480
She told her
son-in-law's murder trial
522
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,920
he'd been abusive, controlling...
523
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,880
JUDGE: In the High Court of
Judiciary, Court number one,
524
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,120
His Majesty's advocate
against Kashif Anwar. Court.
525
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,600
SOLICITOR: The members of the jury
have heard evidence from
526
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,000
Fawziyah's mother about the
nature of the abusive relationship.
527
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,560
CLERK: Court.
528
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,720
However, the jury cannot
convict on that evidence alone.
529
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:43,080
Advocate Depute?
530
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,320
Thank you, my Lord, the next witness
is Police Constable Sarah Joyce.
531
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,080
I want to show the jury
independent evidence.
532
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,360
This is someone who has no
connection to the accused
533
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,920
or the family,
534
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,000
and that is capable of
supporting the evidence.
535
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,440
On Friday the 30th of April 2021,
536
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:13,200
were you requested to attend at
a location at 21.39 hours that day?
537
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,440
Yes. And what was the
nature of that work?
538
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,640
Um, it was a priority call from
539
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:24,040
a victim's mum
stating that her daughter
540
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,080
had come to stay with her
away from her husband,
541
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:32,000
and that there was controlling
and coercive behaviour happening.
542
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,360
Would I be right in saying that your
body camera recorded all of that,
543
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,720
is that correct? It did, yes.
544
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:40,240
Hiya, are you all right?
Yes, thank you, yourself?
545
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,800
Good, yeah, very well thank you.
You all right if we sit down?
546
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,080
Yeah, of course, yeah.
547
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,200
Thanks very much.
So I think your mum called us.
548
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,200
Yes. Just with regards to,
is it a husband? Yes.
549
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,600
Right. OK, what's gone on?
550
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,320
First of all, he's definitely not
going to find out, is he?
551
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,760
It's up to you whether you say,
552
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,160
"Look, I just want to report this,
553
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,720
"and I don't want
police to take action."
554
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,840
OK, so is this the first time, like,
555
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,200
you've come to mum's
and you've gone, "Actually..." Yes.
556
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,880
"..I need a bit of time to think."
Yeah, yes, yes.
557
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,080
OK, how long have you
guys been together?
558
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,240
Four months, OK, well, look,
559
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:21,680
if it's not working, it's not
working, OK?
560
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,040
Has he ever...
Has he ever assaulted you?
561
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,480
Has he ever laid a hand on you?
562
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,280
Can I just say,
563
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,120
somebody putting a pillow
over your face is one thing,
564
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,480
someone then punching that
pillow is another thing.
565
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,000
Doesn't matter who's done it,
that's assault.
566
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,600
However, because it's your husband,
that's domestic assault.
567
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,200
And, you know,
I think we're both sat here saying
568
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,440
that is definitely not acceptable.
569
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,320
Did Fawziyah want any police action
to be taken on this occasion?
570
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,600
No, she just wanted it logged.
571
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:27,600
Thank you very much.
572
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,200
JUDGE: Mr Duguid?
573
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,960
I just wanted to clarify
the last matter you were asked.
574
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,240
So she wanted the police
to log the information
575
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:43,960
into some kind of system,
is that right?
576
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,920
Yes. Well, to be exact,
577
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,320
it was her mother who had made the
call to the police, is that right?
578
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,880
Correct. And I think her
mother had some contributions
579
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,120
to what was being said
to you as well. Is that so?
580
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,560
I-I think a few, yes.
581
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,840
OK.
582
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,480
But when it came to
the end of the process,
583
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,160
she had signed to
say that she didn't want
584
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,440
a prosecution to follow,
is that right?
585
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:06,280
Yes.
586
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,400
As a defence lawyer,
587
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,960
you're not always standing up
to cross examine a witness
588
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,440
to undermine them.
589
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,400
Thank you very much.
590
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,600
Sometimes you want
the information that
591
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,720
the prosecution witness has given,
592
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:25,480
you want it and you
want to emphasise it.
593
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,880
The prosecutor might think
it has no relevance at all,
594
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,200
but you want the jury
to have a part of that
595
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,160
in the forefront of their minds.
596
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,200
Kashif's always been a good lad.
597
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,760
I've known Kashif
to be very outspoken, very loud.
598
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,920
But as outspoken and loud Kashif is,
599
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,400
is how humble and
down to earth Kashif is.
600
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,760
Kashif did have issues
within his marriage,
601
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,080
but those issues, when you have
two people of strong character,
602
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,680
bearing in mind she was a solicitor,
603
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,040
so she had a strong opinion.
604
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,360
So, it wasn't very easy for them to
actually get along with each other.
605
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,480
In regards to the evidence
that's actually been produced,
606
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,560
it's all about marital issues,
607
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,000
having ups and downs, and the
question that the prosecution
608
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,600
hasn't actually put forward is,
609
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,480
"Did the murder
actually take place?"
610
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,560
rather than all the focus
has been on Kashif's character.
611
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,960
But his character doesn't suggest
that he is able
612
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,160
to do any physical harm,
yet alone commit murder.
613
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,320
After the police left,
I said to Fawziyah,
614
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,000
"Look, just leave him, come home."
615
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,080
That's all I wanted her to do.
616
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,320
But Fawziyah wanted to get the money
back that he'd stolen from her.
617
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,440
So, she went back to him.
618
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,160
At that time,
she was very, very cautious
619
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,760
as to what she was telling us
620
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,480
and could tell she
was holding stuff back.
621
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,680
Hello.
622
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,640
How are you? Very well, sir.
How you doing? Nice shirt.
623
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:46,720
THEY SPEAK PUNJABI
624
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,000
Oh, come here, man, come here.
625
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,920
No, no, it's fine, it's fine, man.
I wanted to tell you myself.
626
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,880
She just says, "Ah,
I've got something to tell you."
627
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,480
And she was really happy,
628
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,840
and she says "Oh, I'm pregnant."
629
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,520
And I was, I-I was really happy.
630
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,360
And I hugged her.
631
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:55,480
PRODUCER: And did she feel
that she was going to try
632
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,760
and make a go of it at that point?
633
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,440
Um...
634
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,080
I guess...that was the case.
635
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,320
Yeah.
636
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,360
But me and my husband could
tell that things were not right.
637
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,960
Yes, Advocate Depute,
who's next, please?
638
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,320
My Lord, the next witness
is Crown witness number seven.
639
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:42,960
On the 23rd of August 2021,
640
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,640
were you within the antenatal
ward at Leeds General Infirmary?
641
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:48,960
Yes, I was.
642
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,680
Were you aware of the lady in the
bed next to you having visitors?
643
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,280
Her husband, yes. Husband, right.
644
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,920
Do you recall hearing
a conversation at all?
645
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,880
I did. Tell us about that, please?
646
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,920
Erm, so it was when the midwives
were all on the changeover,
647
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,000
so there was not
really many staff around.
648
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,720
And I could hear him
repeatedly calling her a bitch
649
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:17,960
and erm repeatedly saying that
he should never have married her,
650
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,280
he wish he'd never married her.
651
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:21,680
And that if...
652
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,800
..if one of them
died during childbirth,
653
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,360
that would be good.
654
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,680
"If one of them died,
that would be good?"
655
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,080
Yeah, "That would be good."
656
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,920
Because they would be
free of one another.
657
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,080
He said that she brought
out this side of him.
658
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,560
I was really scared.
659
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,480
Everybody within that ward
660
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,840
was there because
they were pregnant,
661
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,560
everyone was there
in a vulnerable place.
662
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,360
And I was really,
really worried for her safety.
663
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,080
All right, thank you very much.
664
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,200
Mr Duguid?
665
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,240
I've no questions
for this witness, my Lord.
666
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:07,240
Right, that means you've
finished giving your evidence
667
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:09,760
and you're free to go,
thank you very much. Thank you.
668
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,440
Fawziyah told us about
the incident at the hospital.
669
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,160
And I invited the parents over
to tell them what had gone on.
670
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,520
And I tried to discuss it with them,
671
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,160
but the father was
more bothered about, uh,
672
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,880
the police not getting involved.
673
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,720
Fawziyah said she
hadn't contacted the police,
674
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,080
and he was,
"Thank goodness for that,
675
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,440
"I've got my reputation
to think about."
676
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,480
He wasn't bothered about Fawziyah's
safety whatsoever.
677
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:50,880
So I was thinking,
678
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,440
if they're like this to us,
679
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,080
what must they be like
to Fawziyah when she's on her own?
680
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,040
I was in unknown territory,
681
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,640
out of my depth with it all.
682
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:18,360
The police gave me
some support numbers.
683
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,720
Hello, Karma Nirvana,
how can I help?
684
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:23,080
And Karma Nirvana
was one of them.
685
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,520
So, I'd contacted them in May 2021.
686
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,520
I spoke about the
parents and spoke about him,
687
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,000
the way they were
behaving towards Fawziyah.
688
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,480
And I was shocked when
they actually turned round to me
689
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,920
and they went,
"This is honour based abuse."
690
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,920
This was the log from the call,
691
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,480
and Yasmin disclosed that
692
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,480
Fawziyah is experiencing
domestic abuse
693
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,960
and that Fawziyah's
husband is controlling,
694
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,080
and he's not allowing her
to speak to her own family.
695
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,400
He's stolen her money and he
prevents her from looking good
696
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,320
or going to the hairdressers.
697
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,520
From our perspective,
698
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,440
this was quite clearly honour based
699
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,840
because the abuse that she
endured in that household,
700
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,800
was for the purpose
of upholding honour.
701
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,880
Fawziyah was that you can't divorce,
702
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,400
shame was a prevalent factor.
703
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,680
And Fawziyah was expected to dress
704
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,320
and behave in a particular way,
705
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,960
which isn't how she
used to dress and behave
706
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,320
prior to marrying into this family.
707
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,160
So, quite clearly there
was an honour dynamic
708
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,000
that made it more difficult
for Fawziyah to get help.
709
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,320
And we provided support to Yasmin.
710
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,560
In some cultures, there is a concept
known as honour based killing,
711
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,000
in other words,
shame is brought on the family
712
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,280
and that death is seen as
713
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,760
a method of resolving that matter.
714
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,440
Consideration was given
in this case as to whether
715
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,200
an expert on the concept of honour
based killing should give evidence,
716
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,280
but that's relevant for motive.
717
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,880
The Crown never has
to prove a motive.
718
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,440
Clearly, the Crown have got a job,
719
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,880
which is to prove that he pushed
Fawziyah off Arthur's Seat.
720
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,240
For the purposes of the trial,
721
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:17,520
honour based abuse doesn't
necessarily need to be used.
722
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,320
Because you don't want to
risk confusing the jury
723
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,200
who might be unfamiliar with
what honour based abuse is.
724
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,920
I want to show the jury that the
violence was escalating
725
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,560
in its nature just days
before they travel to Edinburgh.
726
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,600
CLERK: Court.
727
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,320
We have CCTV footage
728
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,560
and I will also have a completely
independent witness to the events.
729
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:55,040
I'm going to put on the screen label
seven entitled CCTV Owlcotes Road.
730
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,520
Now, do you recognise that person?
731
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,160
The lady, yeah. That's the lady,
yeah? Yes, it is, yeah.
732
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,000
How was she,
the lady that you saw?
733
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,400
Distressed.
734
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,120
She just broke down crying,
735
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,240
she-she just cried.
736
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:55,840
I did say to her to phone
the police, and she said, no,
737
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,400
she was going to get a car
and go to her mum's house.
738
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,080
Did another car
appear on the scene?
739
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,840
Yeah, it was a male
that got out, and she said,
740
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,280
"Oh, no, it's his dad
that's come to take me,
741
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,120
"I don't want to go."
742
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,480
I said you don't need to go,
I'll take you,
743
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,680
and she said "No."
And she got in the car and she went.
744
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,280
All right, thank you.
745
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,200
I just found it very emotional.
746
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,520
Distressing.
747
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,160
I know, Yasmin.
748
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,680
Yeah.
749
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,800
You've been so incredibly strong
throughout this whole thing.
750
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,720
It's difficult. It is.
751
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:46,080
I wish I was just there
for her, you know,
752
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,440
somehow bumped into
her by coincidence.
753
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,320
And then I'd find out, then I
would stick with her like glue.
754
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,000
Did you notice that
the car that came?
755
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,360
That was his dad. So, he knew.
756
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,040
He can't say he
didn't know anything.
757
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,960
After the incident where he was
trying to drag her into the car,
758
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,400
Fawziyah said,
"I'm going to leave him."
759
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,600
His behaviour was just
absolutely horrifying.
760
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,240
LINE RINGS
761
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:25,600
So, she contacted divorce lawyer.
762
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,520
PHONE: So what I will do,
763
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,800
is I'm just gonna put just a
little bit in the message...
764
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,560
Nobody knew what was going on
765
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,760
apart from Fawziyah
and me and her father.
766
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,200
We were like, once we get Fawziyah
safely home, we'll tell my family.
767
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,520
There's no need to tell anybody now.
768
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:08,600
Because this could escalate.
769
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,760
I wanted Fawziyah
to come home then and there.
770
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,440
But there was a problem.
771
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,560
The perpetrator's family
had organised a Walima party,
772
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,960
which is a wedding party thrown
by the groom's side.
773
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:43,080
Fawziyah was all about
putting other people first.
774
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:47,480
And she wanted to cause as
minimal damage as possible.
775
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,280
And she said, "Let me
get this over and done with
776
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,120
"and then I'm going to leave him."
777
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:59,200
Fawziyah had a smile on her face,
778
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:00,640
but me being Fawziyah's mother,
779
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,960
I could tell that
she was very unhappy
780
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,400
and she was putting on a front.
781
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,440
After the Walima party, they were
going to Edinburgh on a break.
782
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,560
Obviously I didn't want Fawziyah
to go to Edinburgh,
783
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,160
but she was adamant.
784
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,640
It was like, "I know what
I'm doing, I've got this, Mum."
785
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,520
And she said, "In five days' time,
I'll be back home for good.
786
00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:07,120
The plan was that they were
coming back on the Saturday,
787
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,960
which was Fawziyah's birthday,
788
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,720
and she was going to say to him,
789
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:13,400
"I'm gonna go home cos my mum's
got some presents for me."
790
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,920
And then she wasn't gonna go back.
791
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:20,760
That was the plan.
792
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,320
Fawziyah was going to come home
793
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,520
and we were going
to celebrate together.
794
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,960
My Lord, the next evidence
was given on commission.
795
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,320
That's the legal name for it,
but all it is,
796
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,240
it's a pretrial
recording of evidence, OK?
797
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,920
I'm going to lead evidence
from an American tourist who
798
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,880
was in the same hotel
as Fawziyah and the accused
799
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,800
the day before the
events on Arthur's Seat.
800
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,960
Please describe what you heard?
801
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,520
The evening of the 1st,
we had heard a loud disagreement
802
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,560
going on in the room adjacent to us.
803
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,480
Was it something that
sounded like an argument?
804
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,120
It was a very loud,
805
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,040
intense argument
from a male and a female,
806
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,640
at least male and female voices.
807
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:19,040
What time would you say
this disturbance took place?
808
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,080
I'd say approximately
eight o'clock pm.
809
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,680
All right. Thank you very much.
810
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,040
I just have a few
questions to ask you.
811
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,720
Could you tell what
the argument was about?
812
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,760
I have no idea.
813
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,160
Could you make out the
language that was being used?
814
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,040
My only assumption was it
was may not have been English
815
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:43,760
because I couldn't pick out any
specific words or expletives
816
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,280
in the argument.
817
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,080
OK, so it's raised voices,
but the subject matter,
818
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,000
you don't know what that would be
819
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,440
and exact words you couldn't
make out, is that correct?
820
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:56,840
That's correct.
821
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,160
You described it as
occurring around 8pm?
822
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:09,120
Could you be perhaps
mistaken about the time?
823
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:13,520
Because there is some
CCTV footage which recorded
824
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:18,040
the people in the adjacent
room coming into the hotel
825
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,360
at about five
minutes to nine o'clock.
826
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,560
So, that would place,
827
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,120
perhaps what you heard
at eight o'clock,
828
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:42,120
not having occurred with the
individuals in the adjacent room?
829
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:46,520
I-I mean I don't, I don't time
stamp when I return after dinner.
830
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,040
But I would assume that
it'll be about eight o'clock.
831
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,320
But it certainly
could have been nine.
832
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,440
All right, thanks very much,
I don't have any further questions.
833
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:03,240
I wanted the jury to understand
the state of the relationship.
834
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,680
But when you decide
to call a witness,
835
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,240
things will not always go well,
836
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,600
you just have to learn
to not get too flustered about it.
837
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,200
But now I will go back and lead
evidence about
838
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,440
the events which give
rise to the murder charge.
839
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:31,160
That day I had spoken to her about
two o'clock in the afternoon.
840
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,080
Just ask how she was doing.
841
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:34,720
And she was saying fine.
842
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:41,480
That evening I sent
her text messages.
843
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,000
And she went, "We're going
to go for a short walk."
844
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,440
Because she was pregnant,
845
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,320
I thought "Oh, a short walk,
846
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,640
"that's probably near
the hotel near the shops."
847
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,560
I asked her, "Have you eaten?"
848
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,760
And she said "Yes,
I went to Wagamama's."
849
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,040
Advocate Depute.
850
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:12,360
Next witness is Crown witness
number 90, Emma Todd.
851
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,480
I want to show the jury how Fawziyah
852
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,800
and the accused were behaving
on the way to Arthur's Seat,
853
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:23,360
so I'm going to call the CCTV
coordinator who was on the case.
854
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,440
I'm going to start with the item 31,
855
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:27,600
Waverley Station.
856
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,280
Now I've paused it,
857
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,080
and you see two people
at Waverley Station
858
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,760
steps leading down
into the station, is that correct?
859
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,120
That's correct, yeah.
860
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:39,640
Yeah. And who, are they?
861
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,440
That is Kashif Anwar
and that is Fawziyah Javed.
862
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,560
Does Mr Anwar appear
to have something in his hand?
863
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,040
It appears to be something
similar to a mobile phone, yes.
864
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:58,360
Right.
865
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,800
Again, does Mr Anwar appear
to have something in his hand?
866
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,320
Yes, it appears to be
a mobile phone again.
867
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:12,360
OK.
868
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,640
Would it be fair to say within the
sequence of really a few minutes,
869
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,160
the device or whatever it is,
870
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,800
is being accessed on
several occasions? Yes.
871
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,640
All right, thank you very much.
872
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,440
Mr Duguid?
873
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,040
The footage we've been
looking at so far
874
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,840
has depicted the two
people walking arm in arm.
875
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,320
Have I picked that up correctly?
876
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,680
It would appear to be, yeah. OK.
877
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:48,000
Almost all the way, they are
closely in each other's company,
878
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,040
physically close to each other.
879
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,240
Certainly,
arm in arm for a lot of it. Mm.
880
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,960
Now when it got to the point of
being outside the parliament,
881
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:01,480
the lady had the telephone,
882
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,120
because she so obviously was taking
some photographs herself.
883
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:06,920
Is that right? Yes.
884
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:11,240
And as she walked off
to join him, she has the phone?
885
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:12,880
Yes. Is that right?
886
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,760
So, it looked as if she
had caught up with him,
887
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,360
put her arm into his arm.
888
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:23,880
And then taken her arm
out of his arm and done something.
889
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,160
Do you know if she was
putting her phone in her bag?
890
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,760
She might have been, I don't know.
891
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,080
I can't, I can't really
tell from that, to be honest.
892
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,760
Does that mean that you weren't
really looking at it that closely?
893
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,680
No, I'm looking at it closely.
894
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,040
But it's hard to tell
from a distance like that.
895
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,560
No, please don't think
I'm trying to criticise you,
896
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,000
I'm just asking you
about the detail here.
897
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,800
You were asked a number of questions
about his having the phone,
898
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,480
but she quite obviously ends
up with the phone outside
899
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,840
the Parliament Building.
She certainly does at the front,
900
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,320
but I cannot tell from there what
she does with the phone there.
901
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,240
I could never say for certain.
902
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,360
The last person who's
noticeably got the phone
903
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,640
is the lady herself.
Is that correct?
904
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,120
That's what I saw, yeah.
905
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:04,280
Thank you very much.
906
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,160
Once they leave
the Scottish Parliament,
907
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,960
there's no CCTV cover of
the route that they took.
908
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,760
So, consequently
there's no evidence at all
909
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,680
of how they were as
they ascended Arthur's Seat.
910
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,720
Later on that evening,
911
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,160
I sent her a message asking
her how was your walk.
912
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:41,520
And she didn't answer.
913
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:50,680
I got worried but then I thought,
914
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,600
"Well, she's pregnant,
she's probably really tired
915
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,480
"and she's probably gone to sleep."
916
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,640
And I thought, well, as soon
as I wake up in the morning,
917
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,160
I'll ring her.
918
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,720
The next day, about
five o'clock in the morning,
919
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:13,120
there was a knock on the door.
920
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,960
Did you ask him if
he had a telephone?
921
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,760
He said that he didn't
have his phone on him.
922
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:32,960
And how was he?
923
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,560
In my opinion, seemed calm.
924
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,640
Domestic violence
has no place in Islam.
925
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:43,040
Naturally your body
just fills with rage.
926
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:44,760
Who received this call?
927
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,120
It was Kashif Anwar's father.
928
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:48,880
You're not being
asked to find him guilty
929
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,920
of being a horrible nasty guy,
930
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,480
you're being asked to decide
whether he has committed a murder.
931
01:05:55,480 --> 01:06:00,160
I'm just like, "Oh,
I hope he doesn't get acquitted."
932
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:01,800
She was writhing in pain,
933
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,920
but she was able to speak
to me when I asked her questions.
934
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,920
Did you ask her what had happened?
935
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,400
I did, yes.
936
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,320
This is her shirt
from Gateways when she left.
937
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:11,880
And all her friends signed it.
938
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,680
"Gonna miss you
and your pointy shoes."
939
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:18,520
"Love and kisses."
940
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,040
This is the teddy bear.
941
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,000
It says, "To Fawziyah.
942
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,420
"Life will be sweet once more.
943
01:07:26,420 --> 01:07:29,620
"Inshallah, love Mum and Dad."
944
01:07:29,620 --> 01:07:33,060
That was when I was thinking
she's coming home for good.
945
01:07:45,860 --> 01:07:49,500
Fawziyah had made up her mind that,
when she came back from Edinburgh,
946
01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:53,220
she was going to start
divorce proceedings and divorce him.
947
01:07:55,180 --> 01:07:57,660
She was going to come back
to our house,
948
01:07:57,660 --> 01:07:59,940
have the baby in a safe environment,
949
01:07:59,940 --> 01:08:02,220
and be away from him.
950
01:08:02,220 --> 01:08:03,180
That was the plan.
951
01:08:04,300 --> 01:08:06,580
But he always said, "You're never
going to leave me.
952
01:08:06,580 --> 01:08:08,140
"That's never going to happen".
953
01:08:09,620 --> 01:08:12,460
So, I had the CCTV cameras installed
954
01:08:12,460 --> 01:08:15,900
because I knew that once
Fawziyah left him,
955
01:08:15,900 --> 01:08:17,540
he wasn't going to leave it at that.
956
01:08:19,940 --> 01:08:22,500
But who thinks that somebody's
going to do something
957
01:08:22,500 --> 01:08:24,860
so horrific, like this?
958
01:08:26,940 --> 01:08:28,860
Court.
959
01:08:28,860 --> 01:08:31,540
Did you hear anything
out of the ordinary?
960
01:08:31,540 --> 01:08:33,540
WITNESS: I heard a female screaming.
961
01:08:33,540 --> 01:08:35,740
And then I heard a male screaming.
962
01:08:39,660 --> 01:08:41,580
Kashif's always been a good lad.
963
01:08:41,580 --> 01:08:43,260
Kashif is a very, very good,
genuine guy.
964
01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:52,340
NEWSREADER: A man accused
of murdering his pregnant wife
965
01:08:52,340 --> 01:08:54,740
by pushing her Arthur's Seat had
966
01:08:54,740 --> 01:08:58,300
a history of controlling
and abusive behaviour.
967
01:08:58,300 --> 01:09:00,980
BARRISTER: Were they hoping their
relationship would be improved
968
01:09:00,980 --> 01:09:02,580
after this trip to Edinburgh?
969
01:09:02,580 --> 01:09:05,340
No, she had plans in place
to leave the accused.
970
01:09:05,340 --> 01:09:07,700
BARRISTER: Does Mr Anwar have
something in his hand?
971
01:09:07,700 --> 01:09:09,380
Something similar
to a mobile phone, yes.
972
01:09:09,380 --> 01:09:13,620
The last person who's noticeably got
the phone is the lady herself.
973
01:09:21,300 --> 01:09:23,100
FAWZIYAH: Kash, you're a horrible
person!
974
01:09:23,100 --> 01:09:24,420
If you love someone,
975
01:09:24,420 --> 01:09:27,660
you don't make them feel the way
that you make me feel!
976
01:09:51,420 --> 01:09:53,220
I've been a lawyer a long time now,
977
01:09:53,220 --> 01:09:56,100
and it's immensely satisfying work.
978
01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:01,380
But when you're in a trial,
979
01:10:01,380 --> 01:10:03,780
it's hard, it's a grind.
980
01:10:04,940 --> 01:10:07,340
And while, privately, these cases
can be
981
01:10:07,340 --> 01:10:09,620
quite disturbing and upsetting,
982
01:10:09,620 --> 01:10:10,820
we don't show that,
983
01:10:10,820 --> 01:10:13,980
and we don't allow that to be
revealed in the court.
984
01:10:18,340 --> 01:10:20,660
Scotland has an excellent system
985
01:10:20,660 --> 01:10:23,140
whereby, no matter your wealth,
986
01:10:23,140 --> 01:10:27,540
you can still be defended
by the best lawyers.
987
01:10:27,540 --> 01:10:30,140
Accused persons deserve
the best representation,
988
01:10:30,140 --> 01:10:34,780
and justice has to be done
in the courts. It's fundamental.
989
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:41,540
We have set out the background of
abuse which occurred in England,
990
01:10:41,540 --> 01:10:45,020
but ultimately the jury will not
be returning a verdict
991
01:10:45,020 --> 01:10:46,980
on the events in England.
992
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:49,180
Court.
993
01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:53,820
The key issue is what happened
in Scotland.
994
01:10:53,820 --> 01:10:56,580
So, today, I'm going to call
a witness
995
01:10:56,580 --> 01:10:59,260
who was walking on
Arthur's Seat that night.
996
01:11:01,180 --> 01:11:03,380
Her evidence could be crucial in
this case.
997
01:11:08,100 --> 01:11:12,500
On the 2nd of September, 2021,
998
01:11:12,500 --> 01:11:15,660
did you go for a walk
on Arthur's Seat?
999
01:11:15,660 --> 01:11:18,380
Yes.
What time did you leave your home?
1000
01:11:18,380 --> 01:11:21,060
I think it was around
quarter past eight, in the evening.
1001
01:11:22,260 --> 01:11:23,500
Did you reach the top?
1002
01:11:23,500 --> 01:11:25,140
Yes.
1003
01:11:25,140 --> 01:11:27,940
As you made your way down,
did you hear anything?
1004
01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:31,900
I heard someone behind me shout,
"Sir!"
1005
01:11:31,900 --> 01:11:33,620
Did you turn round to see
who it was?
1006
01:11:33,620 --> 01:11:37,580
Yes. I saw a man who was standing
1007
01:11:37,580 --> 01:11:40,500
in a sort of elevated space
behind me,
1008
01:11:40,500 --> 01:11:42,700
and he started running towards me.
1009
01:11:43,780 --> 01:11:45,980
How was he, in his demeanour?
1010
01:11:46,940 --> 01:11:48,860
He seemed really panicked.
1011
01:11:48,860 --> 01:11:51,380
He said that he needed help
coming down
1012
01:11:51,380 --> 01:11:53,740
because he couldn't see,
and that his wife had fallen.
1013
01:12:05,980 --> 01:12:07,980
I asked him where she'd fallen,
1014
01:12:07,980 --> 01:12:09,740
and he said that
he couldn't remember,
1015
01:12:09,740 --> 01:12:12,100
and it happened in a flash.
1016
01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:14,380
I think he asked me
if I had a phone,
1017
01:12:14,380 --> 01:12:16,820
and I said that it died.
1018
01:12:16,820 --> 01:12:19,180
He said that he didn't have is phone
on him,
1019
01:12:19,180 --> 01:12:21,020
and that the phones were
with his wife.
1020
01:12:25,180 --> 01:12:29,180
He started shouting,
"Fawziyah, where are you?"
1021
01:12:29,180 --> 01:12:31,580
And then I started shouting
her name, as well.
1022
01:12:34,900 --> 01:12:38,580
At some point, he said,
"She's pregnant."
1023
01:12:38,580 --> 01:12:40,860
And I was really shocked.
1024
01:12:40,860 --> 01:12:42,740
Why were you shocked?
1025
01:12:42,740 --> 01:12:45,020
I felt like
if he was really, really scared
1026
01:12:45,020 --> 01:12:46,580
that he would have said something
1027
01:12:46,580 --> 01:12:48,380
about her being pregnant
at the start.
1028
01:12:48,380 --> 01:12:50,940
It sort of just seemed like it just
came out of the blue.
1029
01:12:55,020 --> 01:12:57,300
Did you locate someone who had
a telephone?
1030
01:12:57,300 --> 01:12:58,420
Yes.
1031
01:12:58,420 --> 01:13:00,060
I saw two people,
1032
01:13:00,060 --> 01:13:03,020
and he quickly began to run
towards them.
1033
01:13:04,180 --> 01:13:06,380
RINGING TONE:
1034
01:13:22,220 --> 01:13:24,580
I went up the hill a bit,
1035
01:13:24,580 --> 01:13:27,460
so maybe I could yell her name
and she could hear me.
1036
01:13:27,460 --> 01:13:29,900
He also tried to come up
the hill, as well,
1037
01:13:29,900 --> 01:13:31,300
but he wasn't able to.
1038
01:13:31,300 --> 01:13:34,460
Why was the-the man not able
to come up the hill?
1039
01:13:34,460 --> 01:13:36,300
I think he was slipping.
1040
01:13:45,780 --> 01:13:48,580
I'm just going to put on
the screen Production 99.
1041
01:13:49,700 --> 01:13:52,820
Am I right in saying that you would
come from left to right,
1042
01:13:52,820 --> 01:13:54,260
up towards that area?
1043
01:13:54,260 --> 01:13:55,300
Yes.
1044
01:13:55,300 --> 01:13:57,180
But you'll see there are two arrows.
1045
01:13:57,180 --> 01:13:59,620
The lady was found
where the red is positioned.
1046
01:13:59,620 --> 01:14:00,580
So...
1047
01:14:01,660 --> 01:14:03,940
..did you reach the lady?
1048
01:14:03,940 --> 01:14:05,020
Yes.
1049
01:14:06,300 --> 01:14:08,100
Was she alive?
1050
01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:09,060
Yes.
1051
01:14:13,180 --> 01:14:17,580
Did you try to alert
the man you've identified
1052
01:14:17,580 --> 01:14:20,780
as to the fact that you had
discovered his wife?
1053
01:14:20,780 --> 01:14:24,380
Yes. I yelled, saying,
"I've found her!"
1054
01:14:24,380 --> 01:14:27,700
And he yelled back,
asking if she was bleeding.
1055
01:14:39,220 --> 01:14:42,660
Did the lady then hear
this exchange -
1056
01:14:42,660 --> 01:14:45,220
you shouting to the man
and the man shouting back?
1057
01:14:45,220 --> 01:14:46,300
Yes.
1058
01:14:46,300 --> 01:14:47,780
What was her reaction to that?
1059
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:52,860
She told me not
to let her husband near her,
1060
01:14:52,860 --> 01:14:54,740
and that he had pushed her.
1061
01:15:00,860 --> 01:15:03,380
Do you recall exactly what
she said?
1062
01:15:05,020 --> 01:15:09,940
She said, the first time, "Don't let
my husband near me, he pushed me."
1063
01:15:09,940 --> 01:15:13,380
I was very surprised, and I said,
"He pushed you?"
1064
01:15:13,380 --> 01:15:16,940
And then she said,
"I think so. I can't remember."
1065
01:15:36,180 --> 01:15:38,380
Now, will there be questions,
Mr Duguid?
1066
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:44,740
Now, when you were on the hill,
you...
1067
01:15:46,060 --> 01:15:49,860
I think, noticed what he,
the gentlemen, had on his feet.
1068
01:15:49,860 --> 01:15:51,060
Is that correct?
1069
01:15:51,060 --> 01:15:53,420
Yes. He had Converse shoes on.
1070
01:15:53,420 --> 01:15:56,420
Now, I think you said that,
when he was coming towards you,
1071
01:15:56,420 --> 01:15:59,620
he himself was slipping,
is that right?
1072
01:15:59,620 --> 01:16:01,900
Yes. But I was also wearing worn
Converse shoes,
1073
01:16:01,900 --> 01:16:03,060
and I wasn't slipping.
1074
01:16:03,060 --> 01:16:06,860
Yeah. Well, I wasn't asking you
about yourself. OK.
1075
01:16:06,860 --> 01:16:09,340
Um, I was asking you about him.
Was he slipping?
1076
01:16:09,340 --> 01:16:10,460
Yes, he was.
1077
01:16:10,460 --> 01:16:13,300
So you were managing the terrain
much better than he was?
1078
01:16:13,300 --> 01:16:14,500
Yes.
1079
01:16:16,460 --> 01:16:19,100
Now you described him as,
1080
01:16:19,100 --> 01:16:21,060
was it "panicked"?
1081
01:16:21,060 --> 01:16:22,260
Is that the word you used?
1082
01:16:22,260 --> 01:16:24,140
Yes.
1083
01:16:24,140 --> 01:16:26,100
He was in a panic?
1084
01:16:26,100 --> 01:16:27,820
Yes.
1085
01:16:27,820 --> 01:16:31,260
The police had noted you as saying,
"I think he's pushed me."
1086
01:16:31,260 --> 01:16:32,900
Is that what she said?
1087
01:16:32,900 --> 01:16:34,380
Yes, but after that, she was adamant
1088
01:16:34,380 --> 01:16:35,820
that he'd pushed her, after that.
1089
01:16:35,820 --> 01:16:36,980
OK.
1090
01:16:36,980 --> 01:16:39,100
And when you challenged her,
1091
01:16:39,100 --> 01:16:41,620
she said, "I think so.
I can't remember."
1092
01:16:41,620 --> 01:16:43,940
Yes. Is that correct? Yes.
1093
01:16:47,980 --> 01:16:49,220
All right. Thank you.
1094
01:16:51,660 --> 01:16:53,580
Right. That's no more questions.
1095
01:16:53,580 --> 01:16:56,340
Um, can I just commend you
for your bravery and humanity
1096
01:16:56,340 --> 01:16:58,180
in what you tried to do. Thank you.
1097
01:16:58,180 --> 01:16:59,340
Thank you.
1098
01:17:09,220 --> 01:17:12,740
The young girl who actually has
come, and great courage she's given,
1099
01:17:12,740 --> 01:17:16,380
to actually say she found Fawziyah
at Arthur's Seat,
1100
01:17:16,380 --> 01:17:19,260
and Fawziyah told her that,
"He's pushed me." Yeah.
1101
01:17:19,260 --> 01:17:21,700
You know, it was very hard to sort
of digest that, you know?
1102
01:17:21,700 --> 01:17:23,300
Yes. She's a wonderful girl.
1103
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:27,220
It's very fitting that
the judge commended the...the girl.
1104
01:17:27,220 --> 01:17:28,500
Yes. Excellent.
1105
01:17:28,500 --> 01:17:30,060
It's up to the jury to decide.
1106
01:17:30,060 --> 01:17:32,420
It's not for me to decide
what to make of it,
1107
01:17:32,420 --> 01:17:34,780
but all the various component parts
are there.
1108
01:17:35,900 --> 01:17:37,100
How she managed
1109
01:17:37,100 --> 01:17:39,500
to give her accounts of events,
1110
01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:41,140
it's a miracle.
1111
01:17:41,140 --> 01:17:43,540
I believe the angels came
1112
01:17:43,540 --> 01:17:44,700
and woke her up.
1113
01:17:49,100 --> 01:17:52,260
I didn't know that Fawziyah said
those things.
1114
01:17:54,540 --> 01:17:57,020
That was really upsetting.
1115
01:17:57,020 --> 01:17:58,900
It angered me so much, that did.
1116
01:18:06,860 --> 01:18:09,100
I am extremely angry.
1117
01:18:21,220 --> 01:18:23,740
QUIET PRAYING
1118
01:18:23,740 --> 01:18:25,540
Praying helps me cope.
1119
01:18:28,060 --> 01:18:31,460
It's our belief that when
a person passes away,
1120
01:18:31,460 --> 01:18:36,740
we pray for them, and they are
rewarded in the next life.
1121
01:18:36,740 --> 01:18:39,580
PRAYERS RECITED
1122
01:18:52,900 --> 01:18:54,860
To listen to a lot of the details,
1123
01:18:54,860 --> 01:18:57,940
and then the perpetrator's sat
in front of you,
1124
01:18:57,940 --> 01:18:59,380
and you can't do anything.
1125
01:19:01,580 --> 01:19:05,020
Naturally, your body just fills
with rage.
1126
01:19:07,740 --> 01:19:09,620
But kicking and screaming,
1127
01:19:09,620 --> 01:19:11,460
it's not what Fawziyah would
have wanted.
1128
01:19:11,460 --> 01:19:13,140
So, you have to stay calm
1129
01:19:13,140 --> 01:19:15,980
and make sure that justice
gets done.
1130
01:19:20,940 --> 01:19:25,340
Now, the next witness is giving
evidence by a TV link.
1131
01:19:25,340 --> 01:19:28,260
Good afternoon, can you see
and hear?
1132
01:19:28,260 --> 01:19:29,780
I can indeed, yeah.
1133
01:19:29,780 --> 01:19:34,100
Now, you are Police Constable
Rhiannon Clutton, is that correct?
1134
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:35,500
That is correct.
1135
01:19:35,500 --> 01:19:36,980
Were you instructed
1136
01:19:36,980 --> 01:19:40,860
to attend at Arthur's Seat
in relation to
1137
01:19:40,860 --> 01:19:44,700
a female who had apparently fallen
from the hill?
1138
01:19:44,700 --> 01:19:46,460
That's correct.
1139
01:19:46,460 --> 01:19:50,020
Did you locate the lady
who had fallen?
1140
01:19:50,020 --> 01:19:51,580
I did. Yes.
1141
01:19:51,580 --> 01:19:53,780
Describe how she was?
1142
01:20:00,940 --> 01:20:03,940
She was amongst gorse bushes.
1143
01:20:03,940 --> 01:20:08,740
It was a very steep incline,
approximately 45 degrees.
1144
01:20:13,460 --> 01:20:15,500
Her shoes had come off,
1145
01:20:15,500 --> 01:20:18,380
her head was facing towards
the summit,
1146
01:20:18,380 --> 01:20:20,580
her feet were facing down the hill.
1147
01:20:24,460 --> 01:20:25,940
She had an injury,
1148
01:20:25,940 --> 01:20:28,500
an obvious injury to her head,
1149
01:20:28,500 --> 01:20:30,860
and she was writhing in pain,
1150
01:20:30,860 --> 01:20:34,260
but she was able to speak to me
when I asked her questions.
1151
01:20:35,580 --> 01:20:38,420
Did you ask her what had happened?
1152
01:20:38,420 --> 01:20:39,940
I did, yes.
1153
01:20:39,940 --> 01:20:42,260
What was her response?
1154
01:20:42,260 --> 01:20:44,140
She said, "He pushed me."
1155
01:20:44,140 --> 01:20:46,580
COURT ATTENDEES MURMUR
1156
01:20:46,580 --> 01:20:49,180
I asked her who had pushed her,
1157
01:20:49,180 --> 01:20:52,620
and she said, "My husband,
because I tried to end it."
1158
01:20:54,020 --> 01:20:56,900
I clarified whether she meant
end her life
1159
01:20:56,900 --> 01:20:59,180
or end her relationship,
1160
01:20:59,180 --> 01:21:01,380
and she stated, "My relationship."
1161
01:21:02,860 --> 01:21:05,740
Did you ask her about a phone?
1162
01:21:05,740 --> 01:21:08,380
Yes. I asked her where her phone was
1163
01:21:08,380 --> 01:21:11,620
and she stated, "He's got it.
He's taken it from me."
1164
01:21:13,260 --> 01:21:15,740
She asked me why he was like that,
1165
01:21:15,740 --> 01:21:17,700
why he treated her like that.
1166
01:21:19,220 --> 01:21:22,260
She asked me if she was
going to die,
1167
01:21:22,260 --> 01:21:25,380
and she asked me if her baby was
going to die.
1168
01:21:27,740 --> 01:21:30,940
And it wasn't until
the fire service had arrived
1169
01:21:30,940 --> 01:21:33,340
that she'd become unresponsive.
1170
01:21:34,980 --> 01:21:37,700
When she became unresponsive,
what did you do?
1171
01:21:38,740 --> 01:21:40,980
I started chest compressions.
1172
01:21:42,460 --> 01:21:44,020
Did there come a point
1173
01:21:44,020 --> 01:21:47,660
when further treatment would not be
of any benefit?
1174
01:21:47,660 --> 01:21:50,020
That's correct, yes.
1175
01:21:50,020 --> 01:21:54,980
And at 2218 hours,
was life pronounced extinct?
1176
01:21:56,060 --> 01:21:57,740
That's correct, yes.
1177
01:21:58,780 --> 01:22:00,500
Thank you.
1178
01:22:28,500 --> 01:22:30,220
There was a knock on the door
1179
01:22:30,220 --> 01:22:32,900
about five o'clock in the morning,
the next day.
1180
01:22:34,540 --> 01:22:36,740
And I thought, "This is going to be
bad news."
1181
01:22:38,140 --> 01:22:40,380
Yeah, I knew it was bad news.
1182
01:22:43,100 --> 01:22:44,700
Absolutely horrific.
1183
01:22:49,220 --> 01:22:53,460
I heard some loud screaming
going downstairs.
1184
01:22:54,860 --> 01:22:57,380
There was no question of when you
roll over and open your eyes,
1185
01:22:57,380 --> 01:22:59,660
and think, "What's going on here?"
I just jumped out of bed.
1186
01:23:05,420 --> 01:23:06,980
I could see my mum.
1187
01:23:08,060 --> 01:23:09,620
She looked at me.
1188
01:23:09,620 --> 01:23:10,900
She says, "It's Fawziyah."
1189
01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:13,500
"She's died."
1190
01:23:24,980 --> 01:23:26,500
I said, "What are you saying, Mum?
1191
01:23:28,540 --> 01:23:30,740
"How? What happened to her?"
1192
01:23:35,540 --> 01:23:37,980
And then I says,
"It's him, isn't it?
1193
01:23:37,980 --> 01:23:39,460
"He's killed her, hasn't he?"
1194
01:23:49,700 --> 01:23:52,820
Part of me just wanted to reject
the idea so badly.
1195
01:23:53,900 --> 01:23:55,380
I just wanted her back.
1196
01:23:56,500 --> 01:23:59,380
FAWZIYAH: Oh, God! I'm going to need
to go to the toilet, all right?
1197
01:23:59,380 --> 01:24:00,900
OK. Catch you later.
1198
01:24:00,900 --> 01:24:02,020
I'm stuck!
1199
01:24:02,020 --> 01:24:04,340
FAWZIYAH LAUGHS
OK, bye, bye, bye!
1200
01:24:06,260 --> 01:24:09,740
I think we might be getting
chucked out
1201
01:24:09,740 --> 01:24:12,580
cos we're spending way too long
here.
1202
01:24:12,580 --> 01:24:15,380
Oh, my God! Where did you come from?
1203
01:24:15,380 --> 01:24:17,420
Her laugh was just contagious.
1204
01:24:17,420 --> 01:24:19,700
You couldn't help
but laugh with her.
1205
01:24:19,700 --> 01:24:21,460
Whoa! What is this?
1206
01:24:21,460 --> 01:24:23,300
FAWZIYAH LAUGHS
1207
01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:25,260
Yay! Even though it didn't go down
there.
1208
01:24:25,260 --> 01:24:26,860
Wahhh!
1209
01:24:26,860 --> 01:24:29,420
Fawziyah was an angel on earth.
1210
01:24:29,420 --> 01:24:31,460
Perfect in every way.
1211
01:24:31,460 --> 01:24:34,340
She did voluntary work for
the orphans,
1212
01:24:34,340 --> 01:24:37,020
she mentored vulnerable children.
1213
01:24:37,020 --> 01:24:39,220
She gave so much to society...
1214
01:24:40,740 --> 01:24:43,620
..and had so many plans
for the future.
1215
01:24:45,100 --> 01:24:46,740
And we've been robbed.
1216
01:24:48,180 --> 01:24:50,020
You know.
1217
01:25:03,100 --> 01:25:04,220
Thanks.
1218
01:25:04,220 --> 01:25:07,060
The members of
the jury have heard evidence
1219
01:25:07,060 --> 01:25:09,700
of what Fawziyah said
on Arthur's Seat.
1220
01:25:10,740 --> 01:25:12,380
And now we're going to hear
1221
01:25:12,380 --> 01:25:15,060
evidence of the accused
reaction and comments.
1222
01:25:16,980 --> 01:25:19,340
Now, who's next, please,
Advocate Depute?
1223
01:25:19,340 --> 01:25:22,740
Number 48 on the Crown list,
Sean Stratford.
1224
01:25:24,460 --> 01:25:26,380
What I'm seeking to do is try
1225
01:25:26,380 --> 01:25:31,420
and demonstrate to the jury
the state of mind of the accused,
1226
01:25:31,420 --> 01:25:34,580
which I say was to kill his wife.
1227
01:25:47,340 --> 01:25:48,660
Right. Good morning.
1228
01:25:48,660 --> 01:25:51,500
Would you raise your right hand,
please? I swear by Almighty God...
1229
01:25:51,500 --> 01:25:52,660
I swear by Almighty God...
1230
01:25:52,660 --> 01:25:53,940
..that I will tell the truth...
1231
01:25:53,940 --> 01:25:56,620
..that I will tell the truth...
..the whole truth...
..the whole truth...
1232
01:25:56,620 --> 01:25:59,020
..and nothing but the truth.
..and nothing but the truth.
Yes. Thank you.
1233
01:25:59,020 --> 01:26:00,220
Advocate Depute.
1234
01:26:00,220 --> 01:26:01,220
Thank you, My Lord.
1235
01:26:02,540 --> 01:26:04,380
Are you Sean Stratford?
1236
01:26:04,380 --> 01:26:05,700
Yes, I am.
1237
01:26:05,700 --> 01:26:07,460
And are you a firefighter?
1238
01:26:07,460 --> 01:26:08,780
Yes, I am.
1239
01:26:08,780 --> 01:26:11,220
On arrival at Arthur's Seat,
1240
01:26:11,220 --> 01:26:13,020
did you meet anyone who appeared
1241
01:26:13,020 --> 01:26:16,020
to be related in some way
to the injured party?
1242
01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:18,380
Yes, it was a gentleman came over,
said that,
1243
01:26:18,380 --> 01:26:20,100
if I recall correctly,
he'd stood up,
1244
01:26:20,100 --> 01:26:22,660
they'd stood up to take a selfie,
1245
01:26:22,660 --> 01:26:25,220
he'd slipped and bumped her,
and she'd fallen off.
1246
01:26:25,220 --> 01:26:27,820
Right, and how, was he?
1247
01:26:27,820 --> 01:26:29,780
He seemed very...
1248
01:26:29,780 --> 01:26:31,460
In my opinion, seemed calm.
1249
01:26:32,580 --> 01:26:34,620
All right. Thank you.
1250
01:26:34,620 --> 01:26:35,900
Mr Duguid?
1251
01:26:37,940 --> 01:26:40,660
Now, you had a verbal exchange
with a man,
1252
01:26:40,660 --> 01:26:43,620
and I think you said he seemed calm.
Yes, sir.
1253
01:26:43,620 --> 01:26:49,340
So, I want to ask you to listen
to a recording, then. Production 45.
1254
01:27:11,780 --> 01:27:16,180
All right. So, when you described
him as quite calm,
1255
01:27:16,180 --> 01:27:20,260
is this just the same as how
he's speaking in this recording?
1256
01:27:20,260 --> 01:27:23,540
No. But like I say, that was just in
my opinion when we got there, sir.
1257
01:27:23,540 --> 01:27:25,340
OK, so I appreciate it was
your opinion,
1258
01:27:25,340 --> 01:27:28,420
but I was trying to work out whether
1259
01:27:28,420 --> 01:27:32,380
the man in this recording sounded
the same
1260
01:27:32,380 --> 01:27:35,340
as the man you spoke
to when you spoke to him.
1261
01:27:35,340 --> 01:27:36,420
No.
1262
01:27:38,140 --> 01:27:39,220
All right, thank you.
1263
01:27:42,260 --> 01:27:43,580
Advocate Depute?
1264
01:27:49,140 --> 01:27:52,060
Did you hear any reference
to a selfie in that exchange,
1265
01:27:52,060 --> 01:27:53,780
in the one we just played?
1266
01:27:53,780 --> 01:27:54,980
No, I didn't.
1267
01:27:54,980 --> 01:27:56,540
Thank you.
1268
01:28:03,300 --> 01:28:06,020
Could you raise your right hand,
please? I swear by Almighty God...
1269
01:28:06,020 --> 01:28:08,100
I swear by Almighty God...
1270
01:28:08,100 --> 01:28:12,900
The jury will hear from a police
officer who escorted the accused
1271
01:28:12,900 --> 01:28:15,380
from Arthur's Seat
to a police station.
1272
01:28:22,380 --> 01:28:26,180
I arrived with Mr Anwar
at the Gayfield Police Station,
1273
01:28:26,180 --> 01:28:29,860
and then I was instructed to inform
him that his wife had died,
1274
01:28:29,860 --> 01:28:32,460
and take the statement, if he was
in a suitable place
1275
01:28:32,460 --> 01:28:33,740
to have the statement taken.
1276
01:28:34,900 --> 01:28:38,180
I'd like you to read this
for us slowly, please?
1277
01:28:39,580 --> 01:28:43,380
"Me and my wife Fawziyah Javed
have been in Edinburgh
1278
01:28:43,380 --> 01:28:44,860
"for a mini-moon.
1279
01:28:50,100 --> 01:28:53,100
"I think we were at Wagamama's
around six o'clock.
1280
01:28:53,100 --> 01:28:56,100
"We then put Arthur's Seat
into the maps on our phone
1281
01:28:56,100 --> 01:28:58,340
"and walked through
the train station.
1282
01:28:59,820 --> 01:29:02,380
"I reckon we arrived
at the bottom of Arthur's Seat
1283
01:29:02,380 --> 01:29:03,820
around seven, half seven.
1284
01:29:15,220 --> 01:29:17,500
"It took us a while
to get to the top...
1285
01:29:19,420 --> 01:29:21,380
"..but we eventually got there.
1286
01:29:27,020 --> 01:29:30,100
"When we got to the top,
we took some pictures.
1287
01:29:33,460 --> 01:29:35,740
"We'd gone there to see the sunset,
1288
01:29:35,740 --> 01:29:37,060
"but we had just missed it.
1289
01:29:44,340 --> 01:29:46,780
"We decided we were going home,
1290
01:29:46,780 --> 01:29:49,260
"so we started to look for
a way down.
1291
01:29:52,620 --> 01:29:54,660
"We were both walking,
1292
01:29:54,660 --> 01:29:57,420
"I was to the right
and she was to my left.
1293
01:29:58,780 --> 01:30:01,780
"I lost my balance
and fell on to her
1294
01:30:01,780 --> 01:30:03,620
"which caused her to lose
her balance.
1295
01:30:04,700 --> 01:30:06,260
"I heard her go over the edge
1296
01:30:06,260 --> 01:30:08,660
"and say, 'Oh, shit! My foot!'
1297
01:30:09,980 --> 01:30:11,660
"And she started screaming.
1298
01:30:12,780 --> 01:30:13,940
"I heard a thud.
1299
01:30:15,180 --> 01:30:19,060
"I kept shouting her name,
but I wasn't getting any response."
1300
01:30:21,340 --> 01:30:24,220
Once that statement was taken,
1301
01:30:24,220 --> 01:30:28,540
were you aware of developments
with regard to this inquiry?
1302
01:30:28,540 --> 01:30:30,900
Yes, so the statement was to stop,
1303
01:30:30,900 --> 01:30:33,260
as Mr Anwar was about to be
arrested.
1304
01:30:33,260 --> 01:30:35,100
What was he to be arrested for?
1305
01:30:36,220 --> 01:30:37,420
For murder.
1306
01:30:39,820 --> 01:30:41,460
Was he searched?
1307
01:30:41,460 --> 01:30:42,580
He was, yes.
1308
01:30:43,900 --> 01:30:46,340
Was a telephone recovered from him?
1309
01:30:47,380 --> 01:30:48,940
There was, yes.
1310
01:30:48,940 --> 01:30:50,620
He said it belonged to his wife.
1311
01:30:50,620 --> 01:30:52,020
Belonged to his wife?
1312
01:30:52,020 --> 01:30:53,260
Yes.
1313
01:31:10,580 --> 01:31:13,100
In the time that I've been in
the police,
1314
01:31:13,100 --> 01:31:17,020
I would say that the worst accident
I've heard of on Arthur's Seat is
1315
01:31:17,020 --> 01:31:19,380
someone breaking a bone.
1316
01:31:19,380 --> 01:31:21,660
People don't fall from it.
1317
01:31:21,660 --> 01:31:23,460
They don't. So...
1318
01:31:23,460 --> 01:31:24,940
And I think it would be fair to say
1319
01:31:24,940 --> 01:31:26,460
that, from the outset,
1320
01:31:26,460 --> 01:31:29,340
I was suspicious that it had been
an accident.
1321
01:31:29,340 --> 01:31:31,860
But, at the same time,
maintaining an open mind
1322
01:31:31,860 --> 01:31:34,460
that potentially this has been
a tragic accident.
1323
01:31:37,980 --> 01:31:40,340
When I began my shift
for that morning,
1324
01:31:40,340 --> 01:31:42,620
I was literally told there is
a woman
1325
01:31:42,620 --> 01:31:44,060
that's fallen off Arthur's Seat,
1326
01:31:44,060 --> 01:31:46,020
she has succumbed to those injuries,
1327
01:31:46,020 --> 01:31:48,660
and we have information that
suggests her husband has pushed her.
1328
01:31:53,900 --> 01:31:58,820
Where Fawziyah was found was off
any normal walking route.
1329
01:31:59,940 --> 01:32:02,220
It was within gorse,
it was overgrown,
1330
01:32:02,220 --> 01:32:04,180
it was a difficult area to reach.
1331
01:32:04,180 --> 01:32:06,620
It would be something that
hill walkers probably wouldn't
1332
01:32:06,620 --> 01:32:11,020
try to reach, given the sheer
terrain and the slope involved.
1333
01:32:16,220 --> 01:32:20,620
We used the Police Service of
Scotland's Mountain Rescue officers
1334
01:32:20,620 --> 01:32:24,220
to assist with finding any evidence
that we could from Fawziyah,
1335
01:32:24,220 --> 01:32:26,980
and, indeed, getting her back down
from Arthur's Seat
1336
01:32:26,980 --> 01:32:29,700
in a way that caused
the least distress to the family
1337
01:32:29,700 --> 01:32:32,140
and to the wider public,
who would, no doubt,
1338
01:32:32,140 --> 01:32:33,780
have been passing by at that time.
1339
01:32:43,780 --> 01:32:46,780
Forensically, it was going to be
very difficult to prove
1340
01:32:46,780 --> 01:32:48,700
what Fawziyah had said had happened,
1341
01:32:48,700 --> 01:32:51,100
because of the injuries
she'd sustained.
1342
01:32:51,100 --> 01:32:52,940
There was never going to be
the opportunity
1343
01:32:52,940 --> 01:32:56,860
to show any injuries caused by
Kashif pushing her from the hill.
1344
01:32:58,380 --> 01:33:00,180
The only people that truly knew
1345
01:33:00,180 --> 01:33:02,620
what had happened were Fawziyah
and Kashif.
1346
01:33:02,620 --> 01:33:04,900
Could you raise your right
hand, please?
1347
01:33:04,900 --> 01:33:06,940
Detective Constable Caballero
1348
01:33:06,940 --> 01:33:09,140
conducted an interview
with Mr Anwar.
1349
01:33:11,620 --> 01:33:15,980
Do you see there
a photograph of Mr Anwar?
1350
01:33:15,980 --> 01:33:17,540
Yes, I do.
1351
01:33:17,540 --> 01:33:19,900
At 2250 hours,
1352
01:33:19,900 --> 01:33:25,380
did you then proceed to interview
the accused under caution?
1353
01:33:25,380 --> 01:33:26,620
Yes, I did.
1354
01:33:26,620 --> 01:33:28,620
Should we understand that
a person
1355
01:33:28,620 --> 01:33:32,060
in the position of Mr Anwar has
a legal right
1356
01:33:32,060 --> 01:33:34,740
to decline to answer questions,
1357
01:33:34,740 --> 01:33:38,060
and, with very few exceptions,
he exercised that right
1358
01:33:38,060 --> 01:33:40,340
and made no comment?
1359
01:33:40,340 --> 01:33:41,900
That is correct, yes. Thank you.
1360
01:33:43,620 --> 01:33:46,900
Was he charged with murder
shortly after that?
1361
01:33:46,900 --> 01:33:48,140
Yes.
1362
01:33:51,260 --> 01:33:53,620
When we got to the charge bit,
1363
01:33:53,620 --> 01:33:57,620
he asked if he would be getting bail
on Monday.
1364
01:33:57,620 --> 01:33:59,460
And then he followed up by saying,
1365
01:33:59,460 --> 01:34:01,860
"Probably not. Not for murder."
1366
01:34:01,860 --> 01:34:05,700
He then began to ask
about Edinburgh prisons,
1367
01:34:05,700 --> 01:34:09,460
asking how many years
I reckoned that he would get.
1368
01:34:09,460 --> 01:34:11,940
He then said, "Double figures.
1369
01:34:11,940 --> 01:34:14,220
"Maybe 15 to 20 years,
1370
01:34:14,220 --> 01:34:15,500
"that's a long time."
1371
01:34:17,020 --> 01:34:19,940
He said, "My life is ruined now."
1372
01:34:21,060 --> 01:34:24,060
And asked if this would get
media attention.
1373
01:34:25,180 --> 01:34:29,940
All these comments were made
without any response from myself.
1374
01:34:29,940 --> 01:34:31,100
Thank you.
1375
01:34:38,940 --> 01:34:40,980
Now, if I understand correctly,
1376
01:34:40,980 --> 01:34:42,460
for about an hour,
1377
01:34:42,460 --> 01:34:45,900
you had been interviewing Mr Anwar
1378
01:34:45,900 --> 01:34:47,780
while he was under caution.
1379
01:34:47,780 --> 01:34:50,340
And the start of the interview,
you said,
1380
01:34:50,340 --> 01:34:52,700
"What can you tell me about
the murder of Fawziyah Javed
1381
01:34:52,700 --> 01:34:55,980
"on the 2nd of September, 2021?"
1382
01:34:55,980 --> 01:34:57,740
How did you know she was murdered?
1383
01:35:00,580 --> 01:35:04,300
We'd information that she had
passed away,
1384
01:35:04,300 --> 01:35:10,180
and the officers
at the scene had been told
1385
01:35:10,180 --> 01:35:15,180
that she may have been pushed
by her husband.
1386
01:35:15,180 --> 01:35:18,380
Mm. But I'm asking you,
how did you know she was murdered?
1387
01:35:18,380 --> 01:35:19,700
You've asked the question,
1388
01:35:19,700 --> 01:35:22,100
"What do you know about
the murder of Fawziyah Javed?"
1389
01:35:22,100 --> 01:35:25,540
She had apparently spoken to someone
saying she'd been pushed.
1390
01:35:25,540 --> 01:35:30,180
But he had spoken to someone saying
she'd fallen in an accident.
1391
01:35:30,180 --> 01:35:31,260
Yes.
1392
01:35:31,260 --> 01:35:33,620
So, you did have information
1393
01:35:33,620 --> 01:35:38,540
suggesting that he had fallen
himself and caused her to fall?
1394
01:35:38,540 --> 01:35:40,020
Yes.
1395
01:35:40,020 --> 01:35:45,260
And you go on to say, "We're trying
to establish what exactly happened."
1396
01:35:45,260 --> 01:35:47,660
That's what you say to him,
isn't it?
1397
01:35:47,660 --> 01:35:51,500
But in actual fact, you've told him
that it's a murder.
1398
01:35:51,500 --> 01:35:53,780
Yes. That's correct, isn't it?
1399
01:35:53,780 --> 01:35:56,260
So, you're not that much interested
1400
01:35:56,260 --> 01:35:59,900
in what actually happened, then,
are you?
1401
01:35:59,900 --> 01:36:01,220
No, we absolutely are.
1402
01:36:06,020 --> 01:36:09,460
And then he says, "I've been treated
like a criminal, though."
1403
01:36:09,460 --> 01:36:12,420
He was being treated like
a criminal, wasn't he?
1404
01:36:12,420 --> 01:36:14,140
That was his opinion.
1405
01:36:14,140 --> 01:36:18,380
He was going to get charged
with murder no matter what he said.
1406
01:36:25,460 --> 01:36:26,540
Thank you.
1407
01:36:26,540 --> 01:36:28,380
Right, there are no more questions,
1408
01:36:28,380 --> 01:36:31,140
so that's your evidence finished
and you're free to go, thank you.
1409
01:36:31,140 --> 01:36:32,100
Thank you.
1410
01:36:36,660 --> 01:36:38,740
The entire crux of the case
1411
01:36:38,740 --> 01:36:43,140
rests on whether Kashif Anwar
pushed his wife from Arthur's Seat,
1412
01:36:43,140 --> 01:36:45,780
or whether - as he said -
he slipped, bumped into her
1413
01:36:45,780 --> 01:36:47,980
and she fell from Arthur's Seat.
1414
01:36:54,060 --> 01:36:58,580
There's that possibility that
Fawziyah thought she'd been pushed
1415
01:36:58,580 --> 01:37:01,060
and that Kashif had slipped into
the back of her
1416
01:37:01,060 --> 01:37:02,500
and she felt like she was pushed,
1417
01:37:02,500 --> 01:37:05,540
but in actual fact, how could we
ever prove that she has been pushed?
1418
01:37:05,540 --> 01:37:07,940
And that's a real concern.
1419
01:37:25,220 --> 01:37:29,620
It was the 4th of September,
Fawziyah's birthday.
1420
01:37:29,620 --> 01:37:32,420
A few of my family members
went to Edinburgh
1421
01:37:32,420 --> 01:37:37,420
to go identify Fawziyah
at a mortuary.
1422
01:37:37,420 --> 01:37:39,780
While I should have been celebrating
with her -
1423
01:37:39,780 --> 01:37:43,740
you know, family get-together,
giggling, laughing, joking -
1424
01:37:43,740 --> 01:37:45,500
there she was lying in the mortuary.
1425
01:37:52,820 --> 01:37:56,300
Never in a million years did I think
this is going to happen.
1426
01:37:56,300 --> 01:38:01,220
To turn up on her birthday,
that was the hardest part to accept.
1427
01:38:28,580 --> 01:38:32,300
The longer that the trial goes on,
the more I'm worried about
1428
01:38:32,300 --> 01:38:34,980
how Fawziyah's family are coping
with this.
1429
01:38:39,460 --> 01:38:42,900
Coming face-to-face with
Kashif Anwar's family and friends
1430
01:38:42,900 --> 01:38:45,100
has been really difficult for them.
1431
01:38:47,780 --> 01:38:52,180
In the family's eyes, yes, we've got
Kashif Anwar up there being tried
1432
01:38:52,180 --> 01:38:55,940
for murder, but there are
other people who have enabled things
1433
01:38:55,940 --> 01:38:58,220
to get to where they got to
in that relationship.
1434
01:39:13,940 --> 01:39:15,420
Understandably, you know,
1435
01:39:15,420 --> 01:39:18,740
tensions between the families
are running very high.
1436
01:39:22,220 --> 01:39:24,580
For some of Yasmin's family,
it's been very difficult
1437
01:39:24,580 --> 01:39:27,860
to contain that anger and that rage
that they feel.
1438
01:39:45,580 --> 01:39:48,860
To see his mother waving at him
in the public gallery
1439
01:39:48,860 --> 01:39:52,380
and blowing kisses at him, you know,
it's absolutely disgraceful.
1440
01:39:54,780 --> 01:39:59,900
You know, your son's charged for
murder and you've showed no remorse.
1441
01:40:08,980 --> 01:40:11,460
Yes, who's next, please?
Thank you, My Lord.
1442
01:40:11,460 --> 01:40:16,500
Next witness is Crown witness 103
in the Crown list, Sabeen Rashid.
1443
01:40:18,980 --> 01:40:21,980
Very quickly after
the investigation commenced,
1444
01:40:21,980 --> 01:40:25,740
we learned that Kashif had lost
his phone at York train station
1445
01:40:25,740 --> 01:40:27,860
when travelling towards Edinburgh.
1446
01:40:27,860 --> 01:40:30,980
So, we realised that the phone
that was recovered from Kashif
1447
01:40:30,980 --> 01:40:32,700
was Fawziyah's mobile phone.
1448
01:40:34,540 --> 01:40:41,740
Sabeen Rashid had the huge job
of interrogating Fawziyah's phone.
1449
01:40:41,740 --> 01:40:44,020
Are you Sabeen Rashid?
1450
01:40:44,020 --> 01:40:45,460
Yes.
1451
01:40:45,460 --> 01:40:50,460
When you examined the mobile phone
attributed to Fawziyah Javed,
1452
01:40:50,460 --> 01:40:53,700
were a number of images detected?
1453
01:40:53,700 --> 01:40:56,100
That's correct.
1454
01:40:56,100 --> 01:41:00,740
We understand those to be
Fawziyah Javed and Kashif Anwar?
1455
01:41:00,740 --> 01:41:02,420
Yes.
1456
01:41:02,420 --> 01:41:06,340
This was the last photograph
featuring Javed and Anwar,
1457
01:41:06,340 --> 01:41:08,620
is that correct?
That's correct.
1458
01:41:08,620 --> 01:41:12,020
In examining calls on the device,
1459
01:41:12,020 --> 01:41:16,380
at any time were the emergency
services number 999 called?
1460
01:41:16,380 --> 01:41:17,340
No.
1461
01:41:22,980 --> 01:41:27,780
Kashif maintained that he had forgot
he had the phone in that panic.
1462
01:41:27,780 --> 01:41:30,980
However, shortly before,
he'd been taking selfies of him
1463
01:41:30,980 --> 01:41:33,900
and Fawziyah on the top of the hill
minutes before she fell.
1464
01:41:38,140 --> 01:41:40,780
The first thing anyone does
when there's a terrible accident
1465
01:41:40,780 --> 01:41:42,700
is phone 999.
1466
01:41:42,700 --> 01:41:49,820
At 21:19:44, here's a voice call
using Fawziyah Javed's handset?
1467
01:41:49,820 --> 01:41:50,780
Yes.
1468
01:41:52,220 --> 01:41:54,420
DIALLING TONE
1469
01:41:56,340 --> 01:42:00,260
It became even more concerning
when I found out through Sabeen
1470
01:42:00,260 --> 01:42:03,260
that he had made a telephone call
on that phone
1471
01:42:03,260 --> 01:42:05,300
before police had arrived.
1472
01:42:05,300 --> 01:42:08,460
AUTOMATED VOICE: I'm sorry,
but the person you've called
is not available.
1473
01:42:08,460 --> 01:42:10,860
The duration of that
was only six seconds?
1474
01:42:10,860 --> 01:42:13,220
Yes.
1475
01:42:13,220 --> 01:42:16,660
What was the device which received
this call?
1476
01:42:16,660 --> 01:42:19,980
It was the number attributed
to Mohammed Javed.
1477
01:42:19,980 --> 01:42:25,460
So, there's a call for six seconds
with the father of Fawziyah Javed?
1478
01:42:25,460 --> 01:42:27,500
Yes, that's right.
1479
01:42:27,500 --> 01:42:31,820
And at 21:20:09, again a voice call,
is that correct?
1480
01:42:31,820 --> 01:42:32,780
That's right.
1481
01:42:32,780 --> 01:42:36,020
This time, the duration
is one minute, is that correct?
1482
01:42:36,020 --> 01:42:36,980
That's correct.
1483
01:42:45,980 --> 01:42:48,180
DIALLING TONE
1484
01:42:55,660 --> 01:42:57,700
Who was the recipient?
1485
01:42:57,700 --> 01:43:02,700
So, the number dialled was a number
attributed to Mohammad Khan.
1486
01:43:02,700 --> 01:43:05,340
And Mohammad Khan,
you understood, was...?
1487
01:43:05,340 --> 01:43:07,540
It was Kashif Anwar's father.
1488
01:43:19,220 --> 01:43:21,980
In my opinion,
after the actual incident,
1489
01:43:21,980 --> 01:43:24,260
Kashif realised he'd phoned
the wrong number -
1490
01:43:24,260 --> 01:43:25,540
because it was Fawziyah's phone -
1491
01:43:25,540 --> 01:43:27,820
and he was phoning Fawziyah's dad
rather than his own,
1492
01:43:27,820 --> 01:43:29,140
and hung up the phone.
1493
01:43:29,140 --> 01:43:31,980
So, then, immediately after that,
phoned his own father.
1494
01:43:31,980 --> 01:43:35,700
We don't know what was said there,
but it was a minute-long call,
1495
01:43:35,700 --> 01:43:38,060
and Kashif has then hung up
from that call
1496
01:43:38,060 --> 01:43:39,460
and placed the phone back
in his pocket
1497
01:43:39,460 --> 01:43:42,140
and not told the police
anything about that call.
1498
01:43:42,140 --> 01:43:43,660
Mr Duguid?
1499
01:43:43,660 --> 01:43:46,780
No questions, thank you. Right,
that's your evidence finished.
1500
01:43:46,780 --> 01:43:48,620
You're free to go, thank you.
Thank you.
1501
01:43:52,540 --> 01:43:54,860
He didn't ring
the emergency services,
1502
01:43:54,860 --> 01:43:56,540
he rang his father.
1503
01:43:56,540 --> 01:43:59,060
That's not normal behaviour.
1504
01:43:59,060 --> 01:44:02,700
His father didn't even bother
contacting us.
1505
01:44:02,700 --> 01:44:04,380
We found out the next day
1506
01:44:04,380 --> 01:44:08,420
when the police came knocking
on our door at 5.00 in the morning.
1507
01:44:08,420 --> 01:44:13,700
Can you imagine somebody knew
what had happened to your daughter,
1508
01:44:13,700 --> 01:44:15,460
and they didn't even tell you?
1509
01:44:18,220 --> 01:44:21,660
His parents have never said
how heartbroken they are,
1510
01:44:21,660 --> 01:44:23,580
they've never showed any remorse.
1511
01:44:23,580 --> 01:44:26,260
In fact, they've just added
to our pain.
1512
01:44:37,020 --> 01:44:40,260
My Lord, I formally close
the Crown case.
1513
01:44:40,260 --> 01:44:41,740
So, members of the jury,
1514
01:44:41,740 --> 01:44:46,140
you've heard all the evidence
for the prosecution. Now, Mr Duguid?
1515
01:44:46,140 --> 01:44:48,740
My Lord, at this stage,
I'd ask to move Your Lordship
1516
01:44:48,740 --> 01:44:52,180
to adjourn the proceedings
until 10 o'clock tomorrow morning.
1517
01:44:52,180 --> 01:44:55,300
All right, members of the jury
will adjourn. Court.
1518
01:44:57,860 --> 01:45:01,740
It's now for the defence
to decide what they wish to do.
1519
01:45:01,740 --> 01:45:05,700
An accused can elect to give
evidence or not give evidence.
1520
01:45:05,700 --> 01:45:08,900
The defence appears to be that
this was an accident
1521
01:45:08,900 --> 01:45:11,260
rather than a deliberate push.
1522
01:45:11,260 --> 01:45:15,500
So, I would anticipate that he will
give evidence tomorrow morning.
1523
01:45:29,620 --> 01:45:32,180
What time is it?
It's only ten past.
1524
01:45:32,180 --> 01:45:36,020
He could take the stand,
so let's see.
1525
01:45:36,020 --> 01:45:40,620
I think he will take the stand
because obviously it's a...
1526
01:45:40,620 --> 01:45:41,820
Yeah.
1527
01:45:41,820 --> 01:45:45,180
I'd like to see the prosecution
rip him apart.
1528
01:45:45,180 --> 01:45:47,700
PHONE RINGS
Taxi's here.
1529
01:45:57,260 --> 01:45:59,620
I'm not interested in anything
he has to say
1530
01:45:59,620 --> 01:46:02,820
because it's going to be lies
anyway. Makes no difference.
1531
01:46:02,820 --> 01:46:05,020
This is just a procedure
we have to go through.
1532
01:46:08,620 --> 01:46:10,940
I don't know what's going to happen
this morning.
1533
01:46:14,180 --> 01:46:15,980
If the accused does give evidence,
1534
01:46:15,980 --> 01:46:19,100
then I'm ready to go
if that's required at 10 o'clock.
1535
01:46:26,180 --> 01:46:29,180
Right, we had reached the end
of the Crown case,
1536
01:46:29,180 --> 01:46:32,380
so I'll now ask Mr Duguid
what's to happen next. Mr Duguid?
1537
01:46:32,380 --> 01:46:34,940
Lord, the accused elects
not to give evidence
1538
01:46:34,940 --> 01:46:37,860
nor to lead any defence evidence.
1539
01:46:37,860 --> 01:46:39,620
Right.
1540
01:46:39,620 --> 01:46:41,980
INAUDIBLE
1541
01:46:41,980 --> 01:46:45,180
That is the close of evidence
for the accused.
1542
01:46:45,180 --> 01:46:49,500
All right, so that means there will
be no more evidence in the trial
1543
01:46:49,500 --> 01:46:51,420
and there will now be speeches.
1544
01:46:55,100 --> 01:46:58,260
I had the feeling he wasn't going to
take the stand. Yeah.
1545
01:46:58,260 --> 01:47:00,740
I had a feeling. I thought,
He's going to bottle it,
1546
01:47:00,740 --> 01:47:02,620
"right at the end, he's going to
bottle it,"
1547
01:47:02,620 --> 01:47:06,420
cos he's had control
right up until now.
1548
01:47:06,420 --> 01:47:08,020
Coward. Yeah, yeah.
1549
01:47:08,020 --> 01:47:12,420
As soon as he says, "My Lord,
he's not gonna give any evidence,"
1550
01:47:12,420 --> 01:47:14,780
I went, "Aw!" I-I had the feeling.
No, no, that's what...
1551
01:47:14,780 --> 01:47:17,140
He's a coward. That's the sign
of a coward -
1552
01:47:17,140 --> 01:47:19,340
he's got so much evidence
against him.
1553
01:47:26,740 --> 01:47:28,540
Preparing for a closing speech,
1554
01:47:28,540 --> 01:47:30,940
you're trying to get to
the evidence that's credible
1555
01:47:30,940 --> 01:47:33,300
because it's true and reliable.
1556
01:47:36,060 --> 01:47:39,620
You want that in the forefront
of their mind.
1557
01:47:43,140 --> 01:47:46,180
You've got the public watching it,
you've got the family watching it,
1558
01:47:46,180 --> 01:47:51,380
the jury watching. I would defy
anyone, even with vast experience,
1559
01:47:51,380 --> 01:47:53,780
to suggest that
they don't get nervous.
1560
01:47:53,780 --> 01:47:56,140
But you never show any of this.
1561
01:47:56,140 --> 01:47:58,580
Everybody has nerves -
and if you don't have nerves,
1562
01:47:58,580 --> 01:48:02,380
you're probably not doing
your job properly.
1563
01:48:02,380 --> 01:48:04,660
Are you ready to address the jury?
I am, My Lord.
1564
01:48:04,660 --> 01:48:08,020
If you would, please.
1565
01:48:08,020 --> 01:48:11,780
Alex Prentice is
an excellent prosecutor.
1566
01:48:11,780 --> 01:48:14,900
And he's a very worthy adversary.
1567
01:48:27,100 --> 01:48:32,380
On Arthur's Seat
on the 2nd of September 2021,
1568
01:48:32,380 --> 01:48:38,420
Fawziyah Javed, scared, in pain,
lay among gorse bushes
1569
01:48:38,420 --> 01:48:41,660
and asked why her husband
was like that
1570
01:48:41,660 --> 01:48:43,860
and treated her like that.
1571
01:48:45,700 --> 01:48:51,620
She said he pushed her because
she tried to end the relationship.
1572
01:48:53,460 --> 01:48:55,940
I suggest the evidence
clearly demonstrates
1573
01:48:55,940 --> 01:49:01,900
that Kashif Anwar absolutely
controlled Fawziyah Javed's life.
1574
01:49:04,260 --> 01:49:10,100
In the telephone call, Kashif Anwar
said to Fawziyah Javed,
1575
01:49:10,100 --> 01:49:13,100
"You're a disease
in everyone's life.
1576
01:49:13,100 --> 01:49:17,420
"The sooner you are dead or
the sooner you are out of my life,
1577
01:49:17,420 --> 01:49:18,780
"it'll be better."
1578
01:49:23,260 --> 01:49:26,780
Now, ladies and gentlemen,
it's my privilege to address you
1579
01:49:26,780 --> 01:49:29,180
on behalf of the accused,
Kashif Anwar.
1580
01:49:29,180 --> 01:49:32,100
And you've just been listening
to evidence
1581
01:49:32,100 --> 01:49:36,580
of what a horrible guy he is.
1582
01:49:36,580 --> 01:49:40,980
Kashif Anwar is
a horrible, disrespectful,
1583
01:49:40,980 --> 01:49:44,460
coercive, controlling,
abusive individual.
1584
01:49:46,020 --> 01:49:50,860
If you're thinking that, well,
maybe I'm thinking that myself,
1585
01:49:50,860 --> 01:49:53,220
even though I'm his
legal representative.
1586
01:49:53,220 --> 01:49:56,860
I've got no immunity from
having emotions just like you.
1587
01:49:56,860 --> 01:49:59,780
But that is no way to judge
the case,
1588
01:49:59,780 --> 01:50:02,060
and you're not being asked
to find him guilty
1589
01:50:02,060 --> 01:50:04,820
of being a horrible, nasty guy.
1590
01:50:04,820 --> 01:50:08,220
You're being asked to decide
whether he has committed a murder.
1591
01:50:14,340 --> 01:50:18,420
But let's consider the evidence
on Arthur's Seat.
1592
01:50:18,420 --> 01:50:24,860
Fawziyah Javed said, "Don't let
my husband near me, he pushed me."
1593
01:50:24,860 --> 01:50:28,620
She was adamant
that he had pushed her.
1594
01:50:28,620 --> 01:50:31,780
She said, "He pushed me."
1595
01:50:31,780 --> 01:50:35,780
He was saying, "I slipped
and I went to grab her arm,
1596
01:50:35,780 --> 01:50:38,740
"and she went sideways."
1597
01:50:38,740 --> 01:50:43,180
Now, you might think
she would see that as being pushed,
1598
01:50:43,180 --> 01:50:47,860
and he would see it
as a complete accident.
1599
01:50:47,860 --> 01:50:53,180
You have no evidence to tell you
what happened on the hill.
1600
01:50:53,180 --> 01:50:56,860
You don't have an eyewitness,
you don't have forensic evidence,
1601
01:50:56,860 --> 01:51:00,460
you're just being asked to take
a massive guess.
1602
01:51:06,340 --> 01:51:09,580
The last you saw of them
was walking arm in arm,
1603
01:51:09,580 --> 01:51:11,500
and if you looked at the selfies
that they took
1604
01:51:11,500 --> 01:51:14,540
on the top of Arthur's Seat,
everything looks fine.
1605
01:51:16,700 --> 01:51:20,660
His wife - carrying his child -
has just fallen from height.
1606
01:51:20,660 --> 01:51:25,660
You might think that the first thing
he would do is call 999.
1607
01:51:25,660 --> 01:51:27,700
He never did that.
1608
01:51:27,700 --> 01:51:31,660
He had a phone and didn't call 999 -
1609
01:51:31,660 --> 01:51:34,460
as if you're going to judge
a murder trial
1610
01:51:34,460 --> 01:51:36,700
on that piece of evidence alone.
1611
01:51:41,180 --> 01:51:45,580
The accused himself
has not given evidence.
1612
01:51:45,580 --> 01:51:50,180
In this case, you have evidence
of what he has said
1613
01:51:50,180 --> 01:51:52,540
on the 2nd and 3rd of September.
1614
01:51:52,540 --> 01:51:56,020
And you might think to yourself
that is a better measure
1615
01:51:56,020 --> 01:52:00,340
of how to judge him than if
he was stood in the witness box
1616
01:52:00,340 --> 01:52:02,700
19 months after it.
1617
01:52:02,700 --> 01:52:06,020
You are looking for the prosecution
to prove him guilty.
1618
01:52:06,020 --> 01:52:08,220
He doesn't have to prove anything.
1619
01:52:12,220 --> 01:52:18,660
The Crown invites you to find it
established beyond reasonable doubt
1620
01:52:18,660 --> 01:52:22,300
that she was murdered
by Kashif Anwar,
1621
01:52:22,300 --> 01:52:26,180
and I suggest to you that
the only just verdict in this case
1622
01:52:26,180 --> 01:52:29,100
would be one of guilty of murder.
1623
01:52:29,100 --> 01:52:30,140
Thank you very much.
1624
01:52:32,740 --> 01:52:37,500
If you have a doubt about his guilt,
you must acquit him,
1625
01:52:37,500 --> 01:52:42,540
not because he deserves anything -
he doesn't deserve anything -
1626
01:52:42,540 --> 01:52:46,460
not because the lady who died
isn't deserving of sympathy -
1627
01:52:46,460 --> 01:52:49,380
she absolutely is.
1628
01:52:49,380 --> 01:52:52,500
It's a sad and sorry case,
1629
01:52:52,500 --> 01:52:58,260
but you have to decide the case
on the evidence.
1630
01:52:58,260 --> 01:53:00,460
Thank you very much.
1631
01:53:03,820 --> 01:53:05,100
Now, members of the jury,
1632
01:53:05,100 --> 01:53:08,820
your decision is important
for the Crown and for the accused,
1633
01:53:08,820 --> 01:53:13,220
so please give the case
full and careful consideration.
1634
01:53:13,220 --> 01:53:16,500
I am asking you now
to return to the jury room
1635
01:53:16,500 --> 01:53:18,140
and consider your verdict.
1636
01:53:23,940 --> 01:53:26,980
In Scotland, there are 15 members
of the jury.
1637
01:53:26,980 --> 01:53:31,700
For guilty, there must be at least
eight members who vote for guilty.
1638
01:53:31,700 --> 01:53:32,860
Court.
1639
01:53:32,860 --> 01:53:35,500
If there are not eight,
then there will be an acquittal.
1640
01:53:38,540 --> 01:53:41,300
I...don't know any more than
you know now.
1641
01:53:41,300 --> 01:53:43,780
I've had a jury come back in
six minutes
1642
01:53:43,780 --> 01:53:48,380
and I've had a jury come back
in nine days, so who knows?
1643
01:53:48,380 --> 01:53:51,420
Advocate Depute Alex Prentice KC
reminded jurors
1644
01:53:51,420 --> 01:53:54,580
of evidence they'd heard
of Anwar saying to Ms Javed,
1645
01:53:54,580 --> 01:53:56,940
"You're a disease
in everyone's life.
1646
01:53:56,940 --> 01:53:59,700
"The sooner you're dead or
out of my life, it'll be better."
1647
01:54:01,820 --> 01:54:04,740
The jury will resume their
deliberations tomorrow morning.
1648
01:54:14,380 --> 01:54:17,140
It's in the hands of the jury now
and, you know,
1649
01:54:17,140 --> 01:54:20,380
we know that this could really go
either way.
1650
01:54:20,380 --> 01:54:23,740
And even though we feel the case
is really strong,
1651
01:54:23,740 --> 01:54:26,980
Yasmin and the family do need to
prepare for the worst.
1652
01:54:26,980 --> 01:54:28,940
DOOR BUZZES
1653
01:54:32,220 --> 01:54:34,620
SHE READS: "Today, we have not
received the verdict
1654
01:54:34,620 --> 01:54:36,220
"we had hoped for.
1655
01:54:36,220 --> 01:54:39,460
"Fawziyah's perpetrator has been
found not guilty,
1656
01:54:39,460 --> 01:54:44,060
"meaning his behaviour and abusive
attitude will be allowed to continue
1657
01:54:44,060 --> 01:54:46,780
"and possibly cause others harm.
1658
01:54:46,780 --> 01:54:49,940
"Today's disappointing verdict
will cause further distress
1659
01:54:49,940 --> 01:54:53,220
"and hurt to my family."
1660
01:54:53,220 --> 01:54:56,260
Yeah. I mean, I think there was
a lot of compelling evidence
1661
01:54:56,260 --> 01:54:58,620
to prove what he did.
Yeah, yeah.
1662
01:54:58,620 --> 01:55:00,980
And that's what you've got
to hold on to. Yeah, yeah.
1663
01:55:03,620 --> 01:55:06,180
I'm just like, "I hope
he doesn't get acquitted."
1664
01:55:10,020 --> 01:55:13,900
He's got to be punished.
He can't do this to another family.
1665
01:55:15,740 --> 01:55:18,020
I can't have another family
going through this.
1666
01:55:43,020 --> 01:55:44,620
This is the point when you think,
1667
01:55:44,620 --> 01:55:47,700
"I wonder if I should have led
other things or not led things,"
1668
01:55:47,700 --> 01:55:51,340
but I think overall I think there's
enough material there for the jury
1669
01:55:51,340 --> 01:55:54,860
to convict if they want to do that.
Yes. Anyway, we'll see.
1670
01:55:57,220 --> 01:55:59,860
Surely they can see this
for what it is.
1671
01:55:59,860 --> 01:56:03,260
But I'm going to just have to accept
whatever decision they come to.
1672
01:56:20,700 --> 01:56:24,060
In the High Court of Judiciary,
in court number one,
1673
01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:29,140
His Majesty's Advocate against
Kashif Anwar. This is a verdict.
1674
01:56:44,180 --> 01:56:45,260
Court.
1675
01:56:51,140 --> 01:56:54,740
I'm speaking to members of
the public assembled here
1676
01:56:54,740 --> 01:56:56,340
to see the verdict.
1677
01:56:56,340 --> 01:57:00,820
This court demands
that everybody respects
1678
01:57:00,820 --> 01:57:03,500
the jury's difficult responsibility
1679
01:57:03,500 --> 01:57:07,820
and does not cause any disorder
in the court
1680
01:57:07,820 --> 01:57:09,300
when the verdict is announced.
1681
01:57:09,300 --> 01:57:12,460
Now, if anyone cannot control
their emotions,
1682
01:57:12,460 --> 01:57:15,820
the police will remove you
from the court. Thank you.
1683
01:57:29,780 --> 01:57:33,380
Members of the jury, would
your spokesperson please stand?
1684
01:57:34,980 --> 01:57:37,740
Have the jury reached a verdict
in this case? Yes.
1685
01:57:37,740 --> 01:57:39,300
What is the verdict of the jury
1686
01:57:39,300 --> 01:57:41,700
in respect of the accused,
Kashif Anwar,
1687
01:57:41,700 --> 01:57:44,100
in respect of charge two
on the indictment?
1688
01:57:44,100 --> 01:57:46,460
Guilty.
Yes! Yes!
1689
01:57:46,460 --> 01:57:49,140
Are you making any deletions
to the charge? No.
1690
01:57:49,140 --> 01:57:51,420
And is that unanimous
or by majority?
1691
01:57:51,420 --> 01:57:52,180
By majority.
1692
01:57:58,780 --> 01:58:02,820
The jury, by majority,
find the accused, Kashif Anwar,
1693
01:58:02,820 --> 01:58:05,980
guilty of charge two
on the indictment as labeled.
1694
01:58:05,980 --> 01:58:06,940
Thank you.
1695
01:58:15,900 --> 01:58:17,300
Now, Mr Duguid?
1696
01:58:19,740 --> 01:58:22,540
Everyone in these proceedings would
have a sympathy for
1697
01:58:22,540 --> 01:58:25,460
the family of the deceased
1698
01:58:25,460 --> 01:58:29,940
and indeed of course for what befell
her on that night.
1699
01:58:29,940 --> 01:58:34,900
And that does extend to the accused
himself.
1700
01:58:34,900 --> 01:58:38,060
He recognises how her family has
been bereaved,
1701
01:58:38,060 --> 01:58:42,580
and how his own family also has been
affected by what has happened.
1702
01:58:46,580 --> 01:58:48,420
Kashif Anwar,
1703
01:58:48,420 --> 01:58:52,460
you have been found guilty
of murdering Fawziyah Javed, who was
1704
01:58:52,460 --> 01:58:55,860
a very special person,
she was your pregnant wife,
1705
01:58:55,860 --> 01:58:58,580
and you also caused the death of her
unborn child.
1706
01:58:58,580 --> 01:59:01,220
For murder, the punishment is fixed
by law -
1707
01:59:01,220 --> 01:59:03,660
you will be sentenced
to life imprisonment.
1708
01:59:03,660 --> 01:59:05,660
From the evidence led,
1709
01:59:05,660 --> 01:59:08,980
it seems that you sought out
a secluded position at
1710
01:59:08,980 --> 01:59:12,660
the top of a cliff and waited until
darkness fell,
1711
01:59:12,660 --> 01:59:16,540
and it seemed that no one else was
around before you pushed your wife
1712
01:59:16,540 --> 01:59:20,300
off the edge. This was intentional
murder.
1713
01:59:20,300 --> 01:59:22,220
You showed no remorse
1714
01:59:22,220 --> 01:59:25,260
and made no attempt to save her by
calling 999.
1715
01:59:25,260 --> 01:59:27,700
You could have used her phone,
which was working,
1716
01:59:27,700 --> 01:59:29,580
and which you retained.
1717
01:59:29,580 --> 01:59:31,940
The court must do what it can
1718
01:59:31,940 --> 01:59:34,340
to deter such lethal domestic
violence
1719
01:59:34,340 --> 01:59:37,460
and impose appropriate punishment.
1720
01:59:37,460 --> 01:59:40,100
The punishment will be 20 years.
1721
01:59:40,100 --> 01:59:43,540
This does not mean that this is
a sentence of 20 years.
1722
01:59:43,540 --> 01:59:46,380
You are sentenced to life
imprisonment,
1723
01:59:46,380 --> 01:59:50,180
and you will serve at least 20 years
before you can be considered
1724
01:59:50,180 --> 01:59:52,460
for release on parole.
1725
01:59:52,460 --> 01:59:53,780
That is all.
1726
02:00:01,940 --> 02:00:04,180
Silence, silence in the court!
1727
02:00:16,500 --> 02:00:18,700
You bastard, you've killed my niece.
1728
02:00:20,300 --> 02:00:22,140
I hope he suffers inside,
1729
02:00:22,140 --> 02:00:24,540
I really do. I hope they never let
him out.
1730
02:00:30,580 --> 02:00:32,500
I'm sorry, members of the jury,
1731
02:00:32,500 --> 02:00:35,060
that you've...you've had to witness
that.
1732
02:00:35,060 --> 02:00:36,660
But you will understand,
1733
02:00:36,660 --> 02:00:38,620
I don't want to keep you very long
1734
02:00:38,620 --> 02:00:40,980
because I can see that you are
1735
02:00:40,980 --> 02:00:43,700
upset at everything
that's happened
1736
02:00:43,700 --> 02:00:46,460
and what you've been listening
to and thinking about.
1737
02:00:46,460 --> 02:00:49,020
But I must thank you before you go,
1738
02:00:49,020 --> 02:00:52,540
for serving on the jury in this
1739
02:00:52,540 --> 02:00:56,140
pretty difficult trial and...
1740
02:01:01,460 --> 02:01:03,460
..for the really admirable way
1741
02:01:03,460 --> 02:01:05,860
that you've performed your function
as a jury.
1742
02:01:19,580 --> 02:01:21,660
Advocate Depute, Mr Duguid,
1743
02:01:21,660 --> 02:01:24,940
thank you both for the way
the trial was conducted,
1744
02:01:24,940 --> 02:01:28,140
making a difficult trial no more
difficult than it needed
1745
02:01:28,140 --> 02:01:31,060
o be. Very much appreciated.
Thank you both.
1746
02:01:32,580 --> 02:01:34,100
Court.
1747
02:01:39,020 --> 02:01:43,340
All of us who are working in this
system think that trial by jury
1748
02:01:43,340 --> 02:01:46,260
produces the correct result.
1749
02:01:46,260 --> 02:01:48,540
It's a process of justice
1750
02:01:48,540 --> 02:01:51,620
and I think justice does prevail.
1751
02:01:51,620 --> 02:01:53,900
Yeah, I think justice is done.
1752
02:02:23,420 --> 02:02:25,700
Thank you so much.
1753
02:02:25,700 --> 02:02:27,180
Thank you.
1754
02:02:27,180 --> 02:02:29,060
Well, there we are.
1755
02:02:29,060 --> 02:02:31,420
He's been found guilty of murder.
1756
02:02:31,420 --> 02:02:34,860
Please don't think he's got a 20
year sentence - he hasn't.
1757
02:02:34,860 --> 02:02:38,340
He's got a life sentence with a
minimum of 20 years.
1758
02:02:38,340 --> 02:02:40,740
So, after 20 years,
1759
02:02:40,740 --> 02:02:44,660
he can begin the process of applying
for parole.
1760
02:02:44,660 --> 02:02:46,500
He's got what he deserved, and Alex,
1761
02:02:46,500 --> 02:02:49,660
thank you, and if,
Alex, if you ever come to Leeds,
1762
02:02:49,660 --> 02:02:52,580
please. Thank you so much.
I'm heavily in debt to you,
1763
02:02:52,580 --> 02:02:55,020
honestly, me and my family. You
know,
1764
02:02:55,020 --> 02:02:57,660
there's satisfaction of course
with the verdict,
1765
02:02:57,660 --> 02:02:59,500
but it doesn't take away
1766
02:02:59,500 --> 02:03:02,020
the loss which you all continue
to suffer.
1767
02:03:02,020 --> 02:03:03,980
Absolutely spot on summary.
1768
02:03:03,980 --> 02:03:08,500
Fawziyah collected a great deal of
evidence which formed the pillar of
1769
02:03:08,500 --> 02:03:10,500
the prosecution case.
1770
02:03:10,500 --> 02:03:13,460
Alex, if Fawziyah didn't give
accounts of her events,
1771
02:03:13,460 --> 02:03:15,820
was there the chance of proving this
or not really?
1772
02:03:15,820 --> 02:03:17,660
It would have been very difficult.
Yeah.
1773
02:03:17,660 --> 02:03:20,620
Yeah, see. It would have been
difficult. Fawziyah, it was her.
1774
02:03:20,620 --> 02:03:24,420
The evidence of what Fawziyah said
was crucial.
1775
02:03:24,420 --> 02:03:27,700
It was effectively Fawziyah speaking
to the jury.
1776
02:03:39,260 --> 02:03:41,220
Whoa!
1777
02:03:41,220 --> 02:03:44,100
Whee!
1778
02:03:44,100 --> 02:03:47,820
She built this massive mountain
of evidence,
1779
02:03:47,820 --> 02:03:52,300
culminating with giving a statement
to the police on
1780
02:03:52,300 --> 02:03:55,340
the verge of her dying.
1781
02:03:55,340 --> 02:03:58,460
And the fact she was a lawyer with
all
1782
02:03:58,460 --> 02:04:00,820
the legal training,
1783
02:04:00,820 --> 02:04:02,700
I do think that she must have
thought about
1784
02:04:02,700 --> 02:04:04,260
leaving this evidence behind.
1785
02:04:08,220 --> 02:04:12,780
I remember feeling that she died
1786
02:04:12,780 --> 02:04:15,100
like a lawyer, that's what I
thought.
1787
02:04:18,300 --> 02:04:21,860
So, yes, I shall catch you shortly,
mi' old chum.
1788
02:04:39,420 --> 02:04:41,780
Oh, course he's behind bars,
1789
02:04:41,780 --> 02:04:45,380
but it makes no difference
to my pain and grief.
1790
02:04:45,380 --> 02:04:49,100
I don't work anymore.
I don't socialise with my friends,
1791
02:04:49,100 --> 02:04:53,500
you know, I don't have that life
that I had before.
1792
02:04:53,500 --> 02:04:55,980
My husband's gone back to work three
days a week.
1793
02:04:55,980 --> 02:04:58,380
It's a bit of a distraction for him.
1794
02:04:58,380 --> 02:05:01,900
But I know he's in pain and he's
grieving.
1795
02:05:09,060 --> 02:05:12,980
It tears me apart that it's my
sister's only daughter,
1796
02:05:12,980 --> 02:05:16,420
that's her heart,
that's her everything.
1797
02:05:16,420 --> 02:05:18,500
She'd gave her daughter away to
1798
02:05:18,500 --> 02:05:21,260
a family who she thought she could
trust.
1799
02:05:21,260 --> 02:05:23,540
They sent her home in...in a
body bag.
1800
02:05:26,220 --> 02:05:29,660
When an innocent life has been
snatched in such
1801
02:05:29,660 --> 02:05:34,780
a violent way, the victim is called
Shahid Martyr,
1802
02:05:34,780 --> 02:05:39,140
so they have a huge welcome in
the next world.
1803
02:05:39,140 --> 02:05:41,460
And I've conducted hundreds
1804
02:05:41,460 --> 02:05:44,220
and hundreds of wedding ceremonies,
1805
02:05:44,220 --> 02:05:47,220
and sometimes they don't work out.
1806
02:05:47,220 --> 02:05:51,980
But Islam provides us with
a window to get divorced.
1807
02:05:51,980 --> 02:05:55,700
And this domestic violence has no
place in Islam.
1808
02:05:55,700 --> 02:06:00,500
You know, there is no honour in
taking the life of an individual.
1809
02:06:00,500 --> 02:06:02,540
The mosque is here to help you go
1810
02:06:02,540 --> 02:06:05,940
through this painful period in your
lives.
1811
02:06:05,940 --> 02:06:09,020
Lord of the heavens
and the earth, grant our sister,
1812
02:06:09,020 --> 02:06:12,540
Fawziyah Javed, one of the highest
stations in paradise.
1813
02:06:12,540 --> 02:06:15,620
Make her amongst the martyrs on
the day of judgement.
1814
02:06:24,740 --> 02:06:29,860
Nobody's immune to become
a victim of domestic abuse.
1815
02:06:29,860 --> 02:06:31,860
I want to raise awareness.
1816
02:06:31,860 --> 02:06:36,180
I want something positive
to come out of this tragedy.
1817
02:06:36,180 --> 02:06:38,380
APPLAUSE
1818
02:06:48,900 --> 02:06:53,220
Fawziyah was a beautiful soul,
inside and out.
1819
02:06:53,220 --> 02:06:56,380
She was caring, she was outgoing,
1820
02:06:56,380 --> 02:06:59,020
she had a fantastic sense of humour.
1821
02:06:59,020 --> 02:07:01,540
She was the most perfect of human
beings.
1822
02:07:03,820 --> 02:07:06,180
My message to you is
1823
02:07:06,180 --> 02:07:10,140
this can happen to anyone's daughter
or sister.
1824
02:07:10,140 --> 02:07:12,820
I don't want another mother
1825
02:07:12,820 --> 02:07:15,500
to be stood here this time next
year...
1826
02:07:18,900 --> 02:07:24,020
..in pain and grief telling them
what's happened to her daughter.
1827
02:07:28,060 --> 02:07:32,380
It's a privilege and an honour to
1828
02:07:32,380 --> 02:07:34,020
be Fawziyah's mother.
1829
02:07:35,300 --> 02:07:39,620
I will keep going to raise
awareness.
1830
02:07:39,620 --> 02:07:40,900
And help others.
1831
02:07:43,900 --> 02:07:45,380
Fine, thank you.
1832
02:07:45,380 --> 02:07:48,060
APPLAUSE
1833
02:08:01,700 --> 02:08:03,900
Thank you, thank you.
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