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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,160 Are you familiar with the extinct volcano 2 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,120 that is Arthur's Seat in Edinburgh? 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,320 Yes. 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,320 Were you on Arthur's Seat on the second of September? 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:21,720 Yes. 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,280 Did you hear anything out of the ordinary? 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,480 I heard a scream. 8 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:33,720 LINE RINGS 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,640 999 OPERATOR: 10 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:52,520 CHEERING 11 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,400 The main charge is that the accused 12 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,120 did assault his wife, Fawziyah Javed, 13 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,360 and did push her from height at Arthur's Seat in Edinburgh... 14 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,760 ..and was so severely injured that she died, 15 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,680 and he did murder her. 16 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,640 NEWSREEL: A man has been arrested in connection with a suspicious death 17 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,000 of a woman who fell from Arthur's Seat in Edinburgh. 18 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,960 You have no evidence to tell you what happened on the hill. 19 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:24,840 You're just being asked to take a massive guess. 20 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,960 The accused will maintain that this was simply an accident. 21 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,160 How then does the Crown demonstrate that there was a deliberate push? 22 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:52,000 I've prosecuted many murder cases over the course of my career, 23 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,800 but for a variety of reasons, this case is extraordinary. 24 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,840 For Fawziyah's mum, and indeed the whole family, 25 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,840 this is a very emotional and difficult time. 26 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,680 They have attended all the way from Leeds to be here. 27 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,760 It's going to be a traumatic time for all of us. 28 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,400 I know I'm going to come face-to-face with him. 29 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,800 This person has destroyed us. 30 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,880 CLERK: Court. 31 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,120 We all wanted to know what actually happened to Fawziyah. 32 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,400 And we'll fight to get her justice. 33 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:40,600 I want answers. 34 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,400 Whoa! SHE CHUCKLES 35 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,800 If there's one memory I have about Fawziyah, is just laughing. 36 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,560 Where did you come from?! SHE LAUGHS 37 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,400 Fawziyah was almost like a, a wonder woman. 38 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,680 She was smart, she was beautiful. 39 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,200 Some would say she had it all. 40 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:04,720 PRODUCER: As the trial starts, what's going through your mind? 41 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,240 Hate... 42 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:08,640 Hate for him. 43 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,240 Right, good morning, everyone. 44 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,800 Advocate Depute, what's happening first today? 45 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,480 Thank you, my Lord, the first witness for the Crown 46 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,200 is number 26 on the Crown list. 47 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,560 All right, thank you. 48 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,480 The key issue is what happened on Arthur's Seat. 49 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,840 So, I will open the case with 50 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,240 one of the witnesses who was on the hill at the time. 51 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,640 However, we don't have an eyewitness other than the accused. 52 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,200 The defence might argue that's there's insufficient evidence 53 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,160 to justify murder. 54 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,520 So it's up to me to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. 55 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,840 Have you been on Arthur's Seat on many occasions? 56 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,240 Yes. 57 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,600 Would I be right in saying there are several routes 58 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,520 that one can take to get to the summit? 59 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,240 Mm-hm, correct. 60 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,560 Is it an area which is prone to recreation 61 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,080 with lots of people walking up there? 62 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:11,120 To my knowledge, yes. 63 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,480 There's a good view of Edinburgh from the top, is that correct? 64 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,560 Yes. 65 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:32,400 Were you on Arthur's Seat on the 2nd of September 2021? 66 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,320 Yes. 67 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,760 Did you hear anything out of the ordinary? 68 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,520 I heard a scream. 69 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,160 Could you tell if it was a male or female scream? 70 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,160 There were a couple of screams, 71 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,160 one was from a female screaming, 72 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,320 and then I heard a male screaming. 73 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,400 And then I saw a gentleman coming down 74 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:01,680 basically asking for help, very panicked. 75 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,960 Would you recognise the male if you saw him again? 76 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,080 Yes. 77 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,400 Could you look round the court and tell me if you see him? 78 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:08,560 There. 79 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,440 And just for the record purposes, 80 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,400 you've pointed to the man between the two security officers 81 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,520 in the dock, is that right? Correct. All right. 82 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:21,040 Was any explanation offered to you as to what had happened? 83 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,520 The gentleman said that his wife had fallen off of Arthur's Seat 84 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,520 off of the summit, and he wanted me to dial 999. 85 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,480 And did you do that? 86 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,120 Yes. Right. 87 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,120 I'm going to play a recording, 88 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,880 which is label number one, a treble nine call. 89 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,120 LINE RINGS 90 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:43,400 999 OPERATOR: 91 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,120 After that point, what happened? 92 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,560 The gentleman kept trying to go over to-to 93 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,320 get to the woman who had fallen. 94 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,680 But, uh, he was struggling to get up there. 95 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,600 I think it was just his shoes or it was just slippy at the time. 96 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,400 And did you receive a call back from 97 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,120 the emergency services, the Ambulance Service in particular? 98 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,480 Yes. 99 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,400 Did the man you've identified also speak on the telephone? 100 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:48,560 Yes. 101 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,200 999 OPERATOR: 102 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,640 All right, thank you very much. 103 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:11,960 Mr Duguid? 104 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:21,480 How many times had you been up to the summit on Arthur's Seat? 105 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,640 I would say over 100, most of my life I've been going up there, so. 106 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:25,920 All right. 107 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,480 So, you are aware of part of the summit 108 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,120 which descends quite rapidly from, 109 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:38,360 I suppose, the top of some crags, or rocks or cliffs, is that right? 110 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,400 Yes, I do my best to avoid it. 111 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,320 Mm. And I take it you do your best to avoid it 112 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,600 because you know about it? 113 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,000 Yes. Is that right? 114 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,160 Yes. 115 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,760 So, when you're on the summit, 116 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,240 you know how to descend from the summit 117 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,640 and where not to go? Is that correct? 118 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,080 Correct. 119 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,920 Now, you were explaining how the man, whom you've identified, 120 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,400 appeared to be slipping, is that right? 121 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,760 Yes, he appeared to be losing balance. 122 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,800 And I think you used the description of him as being very panicked? 123 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,560 Correct. I take it that was the impression you gained 124 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:16,080 of his, uh, situation? Is that correct? 125 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,880 Yes, correct. 126 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:23,360 Thank you very much. 127 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,280 The starting point for any defence in a case 128 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,920 is the instructions you have from the accused. 129 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,840 So, the accused says, "I didn't commit this crime, 130 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,120 "here's the circumstances, 131 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:35,880 "can you defend me?" 132 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,080 Accused persons deserve the best representation 133 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,680 that the law can provide, 134 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:46,120 and you give every case everything you've got, really. 135 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,640 That's the way I see it. 136 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:06,240 This is my favourite one of Fawziyah. 137 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,840 And maybe she just had a bath, and she was just so giggly and happy. 138 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,600 So natural. 139 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,560 The life that I had, that's gone. 140 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:25,520 It's finished. 141 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,640 And Fawziyah was our life, she's our world, our everything. 142 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:37,000 Sorry, I can't do any more. 143 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,240 Fawziyah was an angel on earth. 144 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:09,320 Me and my husband couldn't have asked for a better baby. 145 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,080 She attracted attention wherever she went, 146 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,440 you know, anybody that would come to the door, 147 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,200 she'd go running and just start chatting to them. 148 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,560 So extravert, so outgoing. 149 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:21,880 Everybody just fell in love with her. 150 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,560 And at the age of eight, she wanted to become a lawyer. 151 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:31,040 She stood for fairness and justice. 152 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,240 Even at that age, you could just tell. 153 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:38,360 She'd always say to me "Maama"... 154 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,720 "Maama" in Punjabi, it means uncle. 155 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,800 She's always said, "Maama, how are you?" 156 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,880 Yasmin invested all her hard work in Fawziyah. 157 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,160 And Fawziyah was the only one in the family 158 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,960 to be educated privately. 159 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,160 Yasmin was probably on £5 an hour, 160 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,360 and she used to pay like £20 an hour for a private tuition. 161 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,120 I can remember the graduation day, 162 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,400 she was saying to me that, "I'm gonna become a lawyer, 163 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,320 "I'll make you very proud." 164 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,920 That was like the happiest time of my life. 165 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,760 Seeing her, you know, doing well. 166 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,680 On a boat right now. 167 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:24,320 It's not setting off, but I think we're all feeling scared. 168 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,040 Smile Baapu. 169 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,240 We did a lot of things together, lunches together, 170 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:31,480 holidays together. 171 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:39,680 She took us to places that I would never have ever dreamt of going. 172 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:41,360 Hello. 173 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:45,800 Aw, that's quite cute. 174 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,200 Ah, kisses only Tuesday or Wednesday. 175 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,640 Oh, my God, the water is so cold. 176 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,160 It wasn't a question of mother and daughter, 177 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,800 they were best friends. They were very close. 178 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,720 It just breaks my heart when I see that... 179 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,720 ..it's no longer... 180 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,480 ..gonna happen anymore. 181 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,600 Yes, Advocate Depute, who's next please? 182 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,720 My Lord, the next witness is number five on the Crown list, 183 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,440 Nighat Yasmin Javed. 184 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,360 It's going to be very painful for my sister to give evidence. 185 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,200 But she's very brave, 186 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,480 and we know she's gonna do this for Fawziyah. 187 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,440 Would you say these words back to me, please? 188 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,760 Yeah, sure. "I solemnly sincerely and truly..." 189 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,440 I solemnly truly and sincerely... 190 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,080 "..declare and affirm..." 191 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,640 ..declare and affirm... 192 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,000 "..that I will tell the truth..." 193 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,680 ..that I will tell the truth... 194 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:58,040 "..the whole truth..." ..the whole truth. 195 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,400 "..and nothing but the truth." ..and nothing but the truth. 196 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,040 Thank you very much. Yes, Advocate Depute? Thank you. 197 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,840 Now, are you Nighat Yasmin Javed, 198 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,120 more commonly known as Yasmin Javed? 199 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,760 That's right, yes. 200 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,720 And did you have a daughter, Fawziyah? 201 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,160 Yes? That's right. 202 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,240 Yeah. 203 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,000 Were you close to your daughter? 204 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,520 Very close. 205 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,240 She was an only child. 206 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,600 What was her occupation? 207 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,160 She was a solicitor, employment law. 208 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,160 Employment law. 209 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:40,680 Did she form a relationship with a man called Kashif Anwar? 210 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,280 That's right, yes. 211 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,640 And do you recognise him? Yeah. 212 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,000 Could just point to him please? 213 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,280 There. You've pointed to the man in the dock 214 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,320 between the two security officers. 215 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,200 Yeah. 216 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,720 Tell us how that relationship came about? 217 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:01,400 When the accused was working as a optical assistant in Leeds, 218 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:08,000 I went in there to purchase some glasses accompanied by Fawziyah. 219 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,680 So, it was like friendly chit-chat. 220 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,160 And then, um, Fawziyah worked in the city centre, 221 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,080 and they bumped into each other one day. 222 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,520 And he actually said to her, 223 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,040 "Look, um, this is the type of girl that I want to marry." 224 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:39,920 It's lit. 225 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,280 Don't do it that way, Kash. 226 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,080 When I met him, he was very, very confident. 227 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,520 He came across as a very caring young person, very genuine. 228 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,800 Fawziyah was a practising Muslim, 229 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,600 and faith was important to him as well. 230 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,080 WHISPERS: Fawziyah. Look up. 231 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,520 They seemed really happy together. 232 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,440 Love you. 233 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,920 He told her that she had everything 234 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,760 that he was looking for in a wife. 235 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,320 Beautiful, independent, intelligent. 236 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,240 He said he wanted to be a very good husband to Fawziyah. 237 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:02,280 Fawziyah was happy with him. 238 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,920 Me and my husband were happy with him. 239 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,560 You know, there was no reason to think otherwise. 240 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:19,120 Did Fawziyah's view of the relationship change? 241 00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:20,920 Um... 242 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,240 The accused seemed a bit, um... 243 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,520 ..possessive. 244 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,400 Uh... 245 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:29,360 ..a bit of a hot temper. 246 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,720 Did you ever see any example of a hot temper? 247 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,040 Yeah. 248 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,240 We were on the way to get the rings. 249 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,120 We got into the car. 250 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:43,720 We all had our seat belts on apart from the accused. 251 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,200 And Fawziyah told him to put his seat belt on, 252 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,880 and he refused. 253 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,200 Fawziyah said to him, "Look, I could get into trouble." 254 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:53,600 And he just snapped. 255 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,320 He got really, really angry, 256 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,760 shouting, and swearing and screaming. 257 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,880 It was something that I'd never seen before, 258 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,920 it was...an extreme reaction. 259 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,320 But he was very, very apologetic. 260 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,000 He apologised to me, 261 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,880 he apologised to Fawziyah. 262 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:20,400 He told me that he was stressed out with his studying. 263 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,920 And I-I believed him. 264 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,680 There was something about him that was bugging me. 265 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,400 There was just something about him that I didn't like. 266 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,120 When I first met him, 267 00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:59,080 I was speaking to his father introducing myself, 268 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,360 and then he just cut in and goes, "Oh, forget my father." 269 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:02,840 And he spoke over me. 270 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,440 And I didn't like that. 271 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,040 His cockiness and his arrogance put me off straight away. 272 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,240 She was like a Bentley Continental, 273 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,080 one of my favourite cars. 274 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,280 You know, and he was like a Nissan Micra. 275 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,680 But Fawziyah was happy with him, 276 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,400 Fawziyah made her choice. 277 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,000 And I had to accept that. 278 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:35,560 PHOTOGRAPHER: Look at me. 279 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,960 Right round here, yeah? Yeah. 280 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,000 And then just place it across. 281 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,600 Like that? Yeah, lovely, smile. 282 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,920 Fawziyah was an absolutely stunning and beautiful bride. 283 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,200 Are you sure I look nice? 284 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,760 Yes! 285 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,920 When Fawziyah married him at the mosque, 286 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,200 Fawziyah was very happy. 287 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,680 CHEERING 288 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,520 In our culture, the girl always goes to the boy's side of the family. 289 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,040 So, after the ceremony, 290 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,880 Fawziyah went to live with his parents and her husband. 291 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:38,400 He and his parents had actually come to our house. 292 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,080 And I made it absolutely crystal clear 293 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,120 that Fawziyah could do the basics, 294 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:44,640 but she wasn't going to be doing housework 295 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,520 and cooking all day, because she was a career woman, 296 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,880 she was a lawyer. 297 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,720 She wasn't a housewife, put it that way. 298 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,320 And they were absolutely fine with that, 299 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:54,360 all three of them. 300 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,480 So, Fawziyah went to live with them. 301 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,000 So, I first met Fawziyah in 2018 302 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,520 when I first joined at the firm. 303 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:16,880 And we just clicked. 304 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,600 Sometimes during our lunch break, we'd grab bubble tea, 305 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:23,760 that was our thing. 306 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,080 We used to grab bubble tea and go to a park. 307 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,600 She was very charismatic, 308 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,520 it was absolutely impossible for you to not to love her. 309 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:36,640 PHOTOGRAPHER: Stay there a second, do that again? 310 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,160 Because of the Covid restrictions, 311 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,000 not many people from work could be invited to the wedding. 312 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,640 So Fawziyah texted me a few days 313 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,600 after the ceremony actually happened, 314 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,640 "Hello, my little ingredient, 315 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,200 just wanted to drop you a quick message 316 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,480 to say I got married last-last week." 317 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:54,680 Um... 318 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,120 Um, and I told her congratulations, 319 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:06,760 and she replied "Thank you. Hopefully we can celebrate soon." 320 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,600 She sent me some photographs from the wedding. 321 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,880 I remember I told her that she looked beautiful. 322 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,000 The next time we saw each other was in a shopping centre 323 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,400 when we went for bubble tea. 324 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,720 She never talked about Kashif's parents. 325 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,400 But one thing I did find strange was 326 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,120 every time she would refer to them, she would, 327 00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:40,680 she would say, "The people I live with." 328 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,080 She was taking a lot of pictures, more than usual, 329 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,360 and it sort of gave me the impression 330 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:51,560 she was sending them to somebody. 331 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,840 Kashif called at some point and he asked Fawziyah 332 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,400 if we wanted to go for a pizza. 333 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,240 And then she said, "No, I don't think Ingrid's hungry." 334 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,120 And that was it. 335 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,720 SOLICITOR: So far as you were aware, 336 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,120 was Fawziyah someone who would use social media? 337 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,480 Yes, she did, yes. 338 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,120 Did her use of social media change at all 339 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:28,040 while in the relationship with Mr Anwar? It did. Yeah, yeah. 340 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,360 In what way? She deactivated her Facebook account. 341 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:33,400 Why was that? 342 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,200 Because the accused said to her that, "I'm not on Facebook 343 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,840 "and it'll be good to just concentrate on the marriage 344 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,920 "rather than being on social media." 345 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,400 And she took that onboard. Yeah. 346 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,480 Were you aware of Fawziyah having blocked 347 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,880 any family members or friends from social media? 348 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,240 Fawziyah hadn't, but the accused had got into her phone 349 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,640 and started blocking male members of the family. 350 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,000 Did she ever tell you anything about money 351 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,280 having been transferred from her account? 352 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,080 She did. She said that the accused, 353 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,080 one day while she was asleep, 354 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,400 logged into her bank account online 355 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,720 and withdrew £12,000 356 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,640 and put it into his account. 357 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:30,200 Were you aware of telephone calls from Mr Anwar to your daughter? 358 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,400 Yes. 359 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,320 I overheard phone conversations. 360 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,000 PRODUCER: So, this is her room? 361 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 362 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,360 And have you changed much? 363 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:50,840 No. 364 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,360 I remember it was Ramadan, and she'd come back home to stay with us. 365 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,520 She was upstairs in her room, 366 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,840 and I could hear his voice on that phone call, 367 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,080 and I was just besides myself. 368 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,160 SOLICITOR: I'm going to play a recording, 369 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,760 which is Crown label eight, 370 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,480 which are calls recorded on the 30th of April 2021. 371 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:42,240 My Lord, the first call is Crown production 103. 372 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,120 RECORDING: 373 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,240 "You're a disease in everyone's life. 374 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,760 "The sooner you're dead, or the sooner you're out of my life, 375 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,640 "it'll be better." 376 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,200 What was Fawziyah's reaction to that sort of comment? 377 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,760 Upset, extremely upset. 378 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,160 Next part, also on the same day, 379 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,800 this time it is Crown production 25, please. 380 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,000 RECORDING: 381 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,120 Thank you, that might be the suitable point to break, my Lord. 382 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:36,440 Yeah, so, can I ask you please to return for quarter to two, please? 383 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,520 Thank you very much. 384 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,560 Playing the recordings, 385 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,800 this is not about tugging emotional strings. 386 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,720 Court. 387 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,640 It's about the way in which he spoke to her, 388 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,560 which demonstrates, what I will suggest, 389 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,760 is a controlling and coercive course of conduct. 390 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,200 Hearing her voice and hearing her break down 391 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,480 in the recordings and that, 392 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,000 it's just awful. 393 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,360 She didn't deserve any of this. 394 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,760 Really sad to see that what Fawziyah went through. 395 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,720 By the time Fawziyah was two or three years old, 396 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,600 I was an early teenager. 397 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,360 I used to babysit Fawziyah a lot when her parents were working. 398 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,200 She used to come here, play with us in the back street. 399 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,160 We used to play with her toys. 400 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,840 I used to hold her hand, walk around the garden with her. 401 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,560 Lots of happy memories here. 402 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,520 She used to hold on to my little finger, 403 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,800 "Uncle, I want some sweets." 404 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,560 So, we'd go there and, you know, 405 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,840 Fawziyah was a big part of the... 406 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,040 ..big part of the community. 407 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,280 I weren't aware of the, of the details that are emerging, 408 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,680 it's a big shock. 409 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:22,760 Big shock to us. 410 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,360 Just really upsetting that we weren't there to do anything, 411 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,600 because we didn't know it was happening. 412 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:39,760 I remember Fawziyah sent me a text message after she got married. 413 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,840 She wrote "Salams, I hope you're well inshallah, 414 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,320 just wanted to say thank you very much for the wedding money." 415 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,160 And I wrote back the next day, 416 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,400 "Wa alaikum Salam, I hope you're well 417 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,880 "and settling down with your new family. 418 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,280 "Remember, life never goes according to plan, 419 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,280 "it's like a roller-coaster. 420 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,440 "Don't be coming home and moaning about little things 421 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,560 "to your mum and dad, instead work at your marriage 422 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,160 "and give and take and compromise. 423 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,680 "But I want you to remember one thing. 424 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,000 "Until...until my last day of breath, 425 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,440 "your Maamu is and will be always here for you." 426 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,480 I-I-I blame myself. 427 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,960 For writing that, saying, 428 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,680 "Don't be coming home for little things." 429 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,960 Maybe that was what stopped her from telling me. 430 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,480 JUDGE: Will there be questions, Mr Duguid? 431 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,040 Mrs Javed, I just have a few questions for you. 432 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,160 Would I be right in thinking that after the calls, 433 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,560 which we heard, 434 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:13,160 she went back to live with her husband Kashif Anwar, is that right? 435 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,360 That's right. 436 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,000 And when it got to their visit to Edinburgh, 437 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,280 do you know what it was intended for? 438 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,880 Just a break to get away. 439 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,600 Were they hoping that perhaps their relationship 440 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,080 would be improved after the break? 441 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,840 There was no mention of that whatsoever. 442 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,760 Did you realise that they'd come up, 443 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,880 stayed in a hotel, 444 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,720 taken a day trip to a place called Loch Ness? 445 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,920 Yeah. 446 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,240 And did she say anything about the trip? 447 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,360 She just said it was very tiring. 448 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,720 TANNOY: Adult life jackets are stored under... 449 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,800 Did she say anything about having enjoyed the trip or not? 450 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,960 You know, since this horrific incident, 451 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,160 I can't recall a lot of information. 452 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,280 OK. 453 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,640 Did you find out that they had booked to go for afternoon tea 454 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,280 at the Balmoral Hotel? 455 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,960 Yeah. I knew that. 456 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,200 So, did it ever cross your mind that their trip to Edinburgh 457 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,320 might be some kind of effort on each of their parts 458 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,800 to try and sort of their differences and go ahead as a married couple? 459 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,520 Did that ever cross your mind? 460 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,960 Cert, no certainly wasn't the intention of Fawziyah. 461 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,320 I can't say for the accused, but definitely not Fawziyah. 462 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,800 So the fact that if they had a good time in each other's company, 463 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,560 visited various locations, 464 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,000 does that surprise you? 465 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,680 The words that Fawziyah used to me were, 466 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,560 "I'm buying my time, I know what I'm doing." 467 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,680 So she was putting on a front, 468 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,240 doing what she had to do, to leave the accused. 469 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,760 But I-I saw that you gave a very long interview 470 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,040 or a very long statement to the police 471 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,680 on the 8th of September 2021. 472 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,440 So, five days after you heard about her death on the 3rd. Yeah. 473 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,840 Is there a reason why you hadn't mentioned to the police 474 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,520 that you'd spoken with your daughter 475 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,680 and that was going to be her intention? 476 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,680 Well, bearing in mind 477 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,480 I'd just had this shocking devastating news 478 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,400 that I've lost my only child in horrific circumstances, 479 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,320 so my head was all over the place. 480 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,720 And you putting that to me, 481 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:43,160 I can't even remember whether I said that or not. 482 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,640 Well, please don't think I want to put you at any kind of disadvantage, 483 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,480 but there is a... 484 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,000 ..something like 23 pages of typewritten script 485 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,880 of what you had said at that time. 486 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,240 And it just occurred to me that 487 00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:00,720 nothing like that was mentioned to the police. 488 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,160 That would be of some significance, though, wouldn't it? 489 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,000 That after what was intended to be a break, 490 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,280 that she was going to leave him? 491 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,200 My head was all over the place. 492 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,160 I fainted twice after giving that statement, 493 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,880 so I can't even remember what I said. 494 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,560 So it comes as a bit of a surprise, you putting that question to me. 495 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,160 I thought I had said it. 496 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,400 Thank you very much. 497 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,040 Right, you're free to go, thank you very much. 498 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,440 Thank you so much. 499 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,200 If the public gallery is full of relatives, 500 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,160 of course you're conscious of that. 501 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,520 But it doesn't change anything for you as a defence counsel. 502 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,800 The people in the gallery may not like 503 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,040 the inquiry that's being made, 504 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,240 but you can't ever think, "I can't ask that question." 505 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:58,720 That wouldn't ever happen. 506 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:00,600 So we'll stop there for today. 507 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,320 Can I ask you please to be back for ten tomorrow. 508 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,680 See you then, thank you. 509 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,760 It was tough, it feels like a blur. 510 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,640 Yeah, I can't even remember my responses. 511 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,400 I did what I had to do. 512 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:26,080 She obviously found some things difficult to remember, 513 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,000 but that's understandable. 514 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,520 To stand on a witness box and then face a jury, lawyers, 515 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,480 and then you add the grief of the case itself. 516 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,160 That took great courage. 517 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,360 But you never know what view the jury take. 518 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,200 NEWSREEL: Yasmin Javed, seen here on the left, 519 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,560 said she started to worry about her daughter, Fawziyah, 520 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,040 a few months after she married Kashif Anwar. 521 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,480 She told her son-in-law's murder trial 522 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,920 he'd been abusive, controlling... 523 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,880 JUDGE: In the High Court of Judiciary, Court number one, 524 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,120 His Majesty's advocate against Kashif Anwar. Court. 525 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,600 SOLICITOR: The members of the jury have heard evidence from 526 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,000 Fawziyah's mother about the nature of the abusive relationship. 527 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,560 CLERK: Court. 528 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,720 However, the jury cannot convict on that evidence alone. 529 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:43,080 Advocate Depute? 530 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,320 Thank you, my Lord, the next witness is Police Constable Sarah Joyce. 531 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,080 I want to show the jury independent evidence. 532 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,360 This is someone who has no connection to the accused 533 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,920 or the family, 534 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,000 and that is capable of supporting the evidence. 535 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,440 On Friday the 30th of April 2021, 536 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:13,200 were you requested to attend at a location at 21.39 hours that day? 537 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,440 Yes. And what was the nature of that work? 538 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,640 Um, it was a priority call from 539 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:24,040 a victim's mum stating that her daughter 540 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,080 had come to stay with her away from her husband, 541 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:32,000 and that there was controlling and coercive behaviour happening. 542 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,360 Would I be right in saying that your body camera recorded all of that, 543 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,720 is that correct? It did, yes. 544 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:40,240 Hiya, are you all right? Yes, thank you, yourself? 545 00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,800 Good, yeah, very well thank you. You all right if we sit down? 546 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,080 Yeah, of course, yeah. 547 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,200 Thanks very much. So I think your mum called us. 548 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,200 Yes. Just with regards to, is it a husband? Yes. 549 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,600 Right. OK, what's gone on? 550 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,320 First of all, he's definitely not going to find out, is he? 551 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,760 It's up to you whether you say, 552 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,160 "Look, I just want to report this, 553 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,720 "and I don't want police to take action." 554 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,840 OK, so is this the first time, like, 555 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,200 you've come to mum's and you've gone, "Actually..." Yes. 556 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,880 "..I need a bit of time to think." Yeah, yes, yes. 557 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,080 OK, how long have you guys been together? 558 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,240 Four months, OK, well, look, 559 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:21,680 if it's not working, it's not working, OK? 560 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,040 Has he ever... Has he ever assaulted you? 561 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,480 Has he ever laid a hand on you? 562 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,280 Can I just say, 563 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,120 somebody putting a pillow over your face is one thing, 564 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,480 someone then punching that pillow is another thing. 565 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,000 Doesn't matter who's done it, that's assault. 566 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,600 However, because it's your husband, that's domestic assault. 567 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,200 And, you know, I think we're both sat here saying 568 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,440 that is definitely not acceptable. 569 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,320 Did Fawziyah want any police action to be taken on this occasion? 570 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,600 No, she just wanted it logged. 571 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:27,600 Thank you very much. 572 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,200 JUDGE: Mr Duguid? 573 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,960 I just wanted to clarify the last matter you were asked. 574 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,240 So she wanted the police to log the information 575 00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:43,960 into some kind of system, is that right? 576 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,920 Yes. Well, to be exact, 577 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,320 it was her mother who had made the call to the police, is that right? 578 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,880 Correct. And I think her mother had some contributions 579 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,120 to what was being said to you as well. Is that so? 580 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,560 I-I think a few, yes. 581 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,840 OK. 582 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,480 But when it came to the end of the process, 583 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,160 she had signed to say that she didn't want 584 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,440 a prosecution to follow, is that right? 585 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:06,280 Yes. 586 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,400 As a defence lawyer, 587 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,960 you're not always standing up to cross examine a witness 588 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,440 to undermine them. 589 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,400 Thank you very much. 590 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,600 Sometimes you want the information that 591 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,720 the prosecution witness has given, 592 00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:25,480 you want it and you want to emphasise it. 593 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,880 The prosecutor might think it has no relevance at all, 594 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,200 but you want the jury to have a part of that 595 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,160 in the forefront of their minds. 596 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,200 Kashif's always been a good lad. 597 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,760 I've known Kashif to be very outspoken, very loud. 598 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,920 But as outspoken and loud Kashif is, 599 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,400 is how humble and down to earth Kashif is. 600 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,760 Kashif did have issues within his marriage, 601 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,080 but those issues, when you have two people of strong character, 602 00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,680 bearing in mind she was a solicitor, 603 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,040 so she had a strong opinion. 604 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,360 So, it wasn't very easy for them to actually get along with each other. 605 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,480 In regards to the evidence that's actually been produced, 606 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,560 it's all about marital issues, 607 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,000 having ups and downs, and the question that the prosecution 608 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,600 hasn't actually put forward is, 609 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,480 "Did the murder actually take place?" 610 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,560 rather than all the focus has been on Kashif's character. 611 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,960 But his character doesn't suggest that he is able 612 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,160 to do any physical harm, yet alone commit murder. 613 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,320 After the police left, I said to Fawziyah, 614 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,000 "Look, just leave him, come home." 615 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,080 That's all I wanted her to do. 616 00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,320 But Fawziyah wanted to get the money back that he'd stolen from her. 617 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,440 So, she went back to him. 618 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,160 At that time, she was very, very cautious 619 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,760 as to what she was telling us 620 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,480 and could tell she was holding stuff back. 621 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,680 Hello. 622 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,640 How are you? Very well, sir. How you doing? Nice shirt. 623 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:46,720 THEY SPEAK PUNJABI 624 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,000 Oh, come here, man, come here. 625 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,920 No, no, it's fine, it's fine, man. I wanted to tell you myself. 626 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,880 She just says, "Ah, I've got something to tell you." 627 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,480 And she was really happy, 628 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,840 and she says "Oh, I'm pregnant." 629 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,520 And I was, I-I was really happy. 630 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,360 And I hugged her. 631 00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:55,480 PRODUCER: And did she feel that she was going to try 632 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,760 and make a go of it at that point? 633 00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,440 Um... 634 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,080 I guess...that was the case. 635 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,320 Yeah. 636 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,360 But me and my husband could tell that things were not right. 637 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,960 Yes, Advocate Depute, who's next, please? 638 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,320 My Lord, the next witness is Crown witness number seven. 639 00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:42,960 On the 23rd of August 2021, 640 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,640 were you within the antenatal ward at Leeds General Infirmary? 641 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:48,960 Yes, I was. 642 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,680 Were you aware of the lady in the bed next to you having visitors? 643 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,280 Her husband, yes. Husband, right. 644 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,920 Do you recall hearing a conversation at all? 645 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,880 I did. Tell us about that, please? 646 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,920 Erm, so it was when the midwives were all on the changeover, 647 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,000 so there was not really many staff around. 648 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,720 And I could hear him repeatedly calling her a bitch 649 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:17,960 and erm repeatedly saying that he should never have married her, 650 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,280 he wish he'd never married her. 651 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:21,680 And that if... 652 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,800 ..if one of them died during childbirth, 653 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,360 that would be good. 654 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,680 "If one of them died, that would be good?" 655 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,080 Yeah, "That would be good." 656 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,920 Because they would be free of one another. 657 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,080 He said that she brought out this side of him. 658 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,560 I was really scared. 659 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,480 Everybody within that ward 660 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,840 was there because they were pregnant, 661 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,560 everyone was there in a vulnerable place. 662 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,360 And I was really, really worried for her safety. 663 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,080 All right, thank you very much. 664 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,200 Mr Duguid? 665 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,240 I've no questions for this witness, my Lord. 666 00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:07,240 Right, that means you've finished giving your evidence 667 00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:09,760 and you're free to go, thank you very much. Thank you. 668 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,440 Fawziyah told us about the incident at the hospital. 669 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,160 And I invited the parents over to tell them what had gone on. 670 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,520 And I tried to discuss it with them, 671 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,160 but the father was more bothered about, uh, 672 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,880 the police not getting involved. 673 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,720 Fawziyah said she hadn't contacted the police, 674 00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,080 and he was, "Thank goodness for that, 675 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,440 "I've got my reputation to think about." 676 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,480 He wasn't bothered about Fawziyah's safety whatsoever. 677 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:50,880 So I was thinking, 678 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,440 if they're like this to us, 679 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,080 what must they be like to Fawziyah when she's on her own? 680 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,040 I was in unknown territory, 681 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,640 out of my depth with it all. 682 00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:18,360 The police gave me some support numbers. 683 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,720 Hello, Karma Nirvana, how can I help? 684 00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:23,080 And Karma Nirvana was one of them. 685 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,520 So, I'd contacted them in May 2021. 686 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,520 I spoke about the parents and spoke about him, 687 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,000 the way they were behaving towards Fawziyah. 688 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,480 And I was shocked when they actually turned round to me 689 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,920 and they went, "This is honour based abuse." 690 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,920 This was the log from the call, 691 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,480 and Yasmin disclosed that 692 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,480 Fawziyah is experiencing domestic abuse 693 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,960 and that Fawziyah's husband is controlling, 694 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,080 and he's not allowing her to speak to her own family. 695 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,400 He's stolen her money and he prevents her from looking good 696 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,320 or going to the hairdressers. 697 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,520 From our perspective, 698 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,440 this was quite clearly honour based 699 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,840 because the abuse that she endured in that household, 700 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,800 was for the purpose of upholding honour. 701 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,880 Fawziyah was that you can't divorce, 702 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,400 shame was a prevalent factor. 703 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,680 And Fawziyah was expected to dress 704 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,320 and behave in a particular way, 705 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,960 which isn't how she used to dress and behave 706 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,320 prior to marrying into this family. 707 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,160 So, quite clearly there was an honour dynamic 708 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,000 that made it more difficult for Fawziyah to get help. 709 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,320 And we provided support to Yasmin. 710 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,560 In some cultures, there is a concept known as honour based killing, 711 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,000 in other words, shame is brought on the family 712 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,280 and that death is seen as 713 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,760 a method of resolving that matter. 714 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,440 Consideration was given in this case as to whether 715 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,200 an expert on the concept of honour based killing should give evidence, 716 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,280 but that's relevant for motive. 717 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,880 The Crown never has to prove a motive. 718 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,440 Clearly, the Crown have got a job, 719 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,880 which is to prove that he pushed Fawziyah off Arthur's Seat. 720 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,240 For the purposes of the trial, 721 00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:17,520 honour based abuse doesn't necessarily need to be used. 722 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,320 Because you don't want to risk confusing the jury 723 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,200 who might be unfamiliar with what honour based abuse is. 724 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,920 I want to show the jury that the violence was escalating 725 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,560 in its nature just days before they travel to Edinburgh. 726 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,600 CLERK: Court. 727 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,320 We have CCTV footage 728 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,560 and I will also have a completely independent witness to the events. 729 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:55,040 I'm going to put on the screen label seven entitled CCTV Owlcotes Road. 730 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,520 Now, do you recognise that person? 731 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,160 The lady, yeah. That's the lady, yeah? Yes, it is, yeah. 732 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,000 How was she, the lady that you saw? 733 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,400 Distressed. 734 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,120 She just broke down crying, 735 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,240 she-she just cried. 736 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:55,840 I did say to her to phone the police, and she said, no, 737 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,400 she was going to get a car and go to her mum's house. 738 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,080 Did another car appear on the scene? 739 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,840 Yeah, it was a male that got out, and she said, 740 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,280 "Oh, no, it's his dad that's come to take me, 741 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,120 "I don't want to go." 742 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,480 I said you don't need to go, I'll take you, 743 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,680 and she said "No." And she got in the car and she went. 744 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,280 All right, thank you. 745 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,200 I just found it very emotional. 746 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,520 Distressing. 747 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,160 I know, Yasmin. 748 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,680 Yeah. 749 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,800 You've been so incredibly strong throughout this whole thing. 750 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,720 It's difficult. It is. 751 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:46,080 I wish I was just there for her, you know, 752 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,440 somehow bumped into her by coincidence. 753 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,320 And then I'd find out, then I would stick with her like glue. 754 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,000 Did you notice that the car that came? 755 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,360 That was his dad. So, he knew. 756 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,040 He can't say he didn't know anything. 757 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,960 After the incident where he was trying to drag her into the car, 758 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,400 Fawziyah said, "I'm going to leave him." 759 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,600 His behaviour was just absolutely horrifying. 760 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,240 LINE RINGS 761 00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:25,600 So, she contacted divorce lawyer. 762 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,520 PHONE: So what I will do, 763 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,800 is I'm just gonna put just a little bit in the message... 764 00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,560 Nobody knew what was going on 765 00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,760 apart from Fawziyah and me and her father. 766 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,200 We were like, once we get Fawziyah safely home, we'll tell my family. 767 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,520 There's no need to tell anybody now. 768 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:08,600 Because this could escalate. 769 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,760 I wanted Fawziyah to come home then and there. 770 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,440 But there was a problem. 771 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,560 The perpetrator's family had organised a Walima party, 772 00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,960 which is a wedding party thrown by the groom's side. 773 00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:43,080 Fawziyah was all about putting other people first. 774 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:47,480 And she wanted to cause as minimal damage as possible. 775 00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,280 And she said, "Let me get this over and done with 776 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,120 "and then I'm going to leave him." 777 00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:59,200 Fawziyah had a smile on her face, 778 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:00,640 but me being Fawziyah's mother, 779 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,960 I could tell that she was very unhappy 780 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,400 and she was putting on a front. 781 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,440 After the Walima party, they were going to Edinburgh on a break. 782 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,560 Obviously I didn't want Fawziyah to go to Edinburgh, 783 00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,160 but she was adamant. 784 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,640 It was like, "I know what I'm doing, I've got this, Mum." 785 00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,520 And she said, "In five days' time, I'll be back home for good. 786 00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:07,120 The plan was that they were coming back on the Saturday, 787 00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,960 which was Fawziyah's birthday, 788 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,720 and she was going to say to him, 789 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:13,400 "I'm gonna go home cos my mum's got some presents for me." 790 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,920 And then she wasn't gonna go back. 791 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:20,760 That was the plan. 792 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,320 Fawziyah was going to come home 793 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,520 and we were going to celebrate together. 794 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,960 My Lord, the next evidence was given on commission. 795 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,320 That's the legal name for it, but all it is, 796 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,240 it's a pretrial recording of evidence, OK? 797 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,920 I'm going to lead evidence from an American tourist who 798 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,880 was in the same hotel as Fawziyah and the accused 799 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,800 the day before the events on Arthur's Seat. 800 00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,960 Please describe what you heard? 801 00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,520 The evening of the 1st, we had heard a loud disagreement 802 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,560 going on in the room adjacent to us. 803 00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,480 Was it something that sounded like an argument? 804 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,120 It was a very loud, 805 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,040 intense argument from a male and a female, 806 00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,640 at least male and female voices. 807 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:19,040 What time would you say this disturbance took place? 808 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,080 I'd say approximately eight o'clock pm. 809 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,680 All right. Thank you very much. 810 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,040 I just have a few questions to ask you. 811 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,720 Could you tell what the argument was about? 812 00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,760 I have no idea. 813 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,160 Could you make out the language that was being used? 814 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,040 My only assumption was it was may not have been English 815 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:43,760 because I couldn't pick out any specific words or expletives 816 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,280 in the argument. 817 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,080 OK, so it's raised voices, but the subject matter, 818 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,000 you don't know what that would be 819 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,440 and exact words you couldn't make out, is that correct? 820 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:56,840 That's correct. 821 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,160 You described it as occurring around 8pm? 822 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:09,120 Could you be perhaps mistaken about the time? 823 00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:13,520 Because there is some CCTV footage which recorded 824 00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:18,040 the people in the adjacent room coming into the hotel 825 00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,360 at about five minutes to nine o'clock. 826 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,560 So, that would place, 827 00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,120 perhaps what you heard at eight o'clock, 828 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:42,120 not having occurred with the individuals in the adjacent room? 829 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:46,520 I-I mean I don't, I don't time stamp when I return after dinner. 830 00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,040 But I would assume that it'll be about eight o'clock. 831 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,320 But it certainly could have been nine. 832 00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,440 All right, thanks very much, I don't have any further questions. 833 00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:03,240 I wanted the jury to understand the state of the relationship. 834 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,680 But when you decide to call a witness, 835 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,240 things will not always go well, 836 01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,600 you just have to learn to not get too flustered about it. 837 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,200 But now I will go back and lead evidence about 838 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,440 the events which give rise to the murder charge. 839 01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:31,160 That day I had spoken to her about two o'clock in the afternoon. 840 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,080 Just ask how she was doing. 841 01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:34,720 And she was saying fine. 842 01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:41,480 That evening I sent her text messages. 843 01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,000 And she went, "We're going to go for a short walk." 844 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,440 Because she was pregnant, 845 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,320 I thought "Oh, a short walk, 846 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,640 "that's probably near the hotel near the shops." 847 01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,560 I asked her, "Have you eaten?" 848 01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,760 And she said "Yes, I went to Wagamama's." 849 01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,040 Advocate Depute. 850 01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:12,360 Next witness is Crown witness number 90, Emma Todd. 851 01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,480 I want to show the jury how Fawziyah 852 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,800 and the accused were behaving on the way to Arthur's Seat, 853 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:23,360 so I'm going to call the CCTV coordinator who was on the case. 854 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,440 I'm going to start with the item 31, 855 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:27,600 Waverley Station. 856 01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,280 Now I've paused it, 857 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,080 and you see two people at Waverley Station 858 01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,760 steps leading down into the station, is that correct? 859 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,120 That's correct, yeah. 860 01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:39,640 Yeah. And who, are they? 861 01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,440 That is Kashif Anwar and that is Fawziyah Javed. 862 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,560 Does Mr Anwar appear to have something in his hand? 863 01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,040 It appears to be something similar to a mobile phone, yes. 864 01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:58,360 Right. 865 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,800 Again, does Mr Anwar appear to have something in his hand? 866 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,320 Yes, it appears to be a mobile phone again. 867 01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:12,360 OK. 868 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,640 Would it be fair to say within the sequence of really a few minutes, 869 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,160 the device or whatever it is, 870 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,800 is being accessed on several occasions? Yes. 871 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,640 All right, thank you very much. 872 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,440 Mr Duguid? 873 01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,040 The footage we've been looking at so far 874 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,840 has depicted the two people walking arm in arm. 875 01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,320 Have I picked that up correctly? 876 01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,680 It would appear to be, yeah. OK. 877 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:48,000 Almost all the way, they are closely in each other's company, 878 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,040 physically close to each other. 879 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,240 Certainly, arm in arm for a lot of it. Mm. 880 01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,960 Now when it got to the point of being outside the parliament, 881 01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:01,480 the lady had the telephone, 882 01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,120 because she so obviously was taking some photographs herself. 883 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:06,920 Is that right? Yes. 884 01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:11,240 And as she walked off to join him, she has the phone? 885 01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:12,880 Yes. Is that right? 886 01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,760 So, it looked as if she had caught up with him, 887 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,360 put her arm into his arm. 888 01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:23,880 And then taken her arm out of his arm and done something. 889 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,160 Do you know if she was putting her phone in her bag? 890 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,760 She might have been, I don't know. 891 01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,080 I can't, I can't really tell from that, to be honest. 892 01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,760 Does that mean that you weren't really looking at it that closely? 893 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,680 No, I'm looking at it closely. 894 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,040 But it's hard to tell from a distance like that. 895 01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,560 No, please don't think I'm trying to criticise you, 896 01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,000 I'm just asking you about the detail here. 897 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,800 You were asked a number of questions about his having the phone, 898 01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,480 but she quite obviously ends up with the phone outside 899 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,840 the Parliament Building. She certainly does at the front, 900 01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,320 but I cannot tell from there what she does with the phone there. 901 01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,240 I could never say for certain. 902 01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,360 The last person who's noticeably got the phone 903 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,640 is the lady herself. Is that correct? 904 01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,120 That's what I saw, yeah. 905 01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:04,280 Thank you very much. 906 01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,160 Once they leave the Scottish Parliament, 907 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,960 there's no CCTV cover of the route that they took. 908 01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,760 So, consequently there's no evidence at all 909 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,680 of how they were as they ascended Arthur's Seat. 910 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,720 Later on that evening, 911 01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,160 I sent her a message asking her how was your walk. 912 01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:41,520 And she didn't answer. 913 01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:50,680 I got worried but then I thought, 914 01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,600 "Well, she's pregnant, she's probably really tired 915 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,480 "and she's probably gone to sleep." 916 01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,640 And I thought, well, as soon as I wake up in the morning, 917 01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,160 I'll ring her. 918 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,720 The next day, about five o'clock in the morning, 919 01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:13,120 there was a knock on the door. 920 01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,960 Did you ask him if he had a telephone? 921 01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,760 He said that he didn't have his phone on him. 922 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:32,960 And how was he? 923 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,560 In my opinion, seemed calm. 924 01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,640 Domestic violence has no place in Islam. 925 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:43,040 Naturally your body just fills with rage. 926 01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:44,760 Who received this call? 927 01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,120 It was Kashif Anwar's father. 928 01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:48,880 You're not being asked to find him guilty 929 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,920 of being a horrible nasty guy, 930 01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,480 you're being asked to decide whether he has committed a murder. 931 01:05:55,480 --> 01:06:00,160 I'm just like, "Oh, I hope he doesn't get acquitted." 932 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:01,800 She was writhing in pain, 933 01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,920 but she was able to speak to me when I asked her questions. 934 01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,920 Did you ask her what had happened? 935 01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,400 I did, yes. 936 01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,320 This is her shirt from Gateways when she left. 937 01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:11,880 And all her friends signed it. 938 01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,680 "Gonna miss you and your pointy shoes." 939 01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:18,520 "Love and kisses." 940 01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,040 This is the teddy bear. 941 01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,000 It says, "To Fawziyah. 942 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,420 "Life will be sweet once more. 943 01:07:26,420 --> 01:07:29,620 "Inshallah, love Mum and Dad." 944 01:07:29,620 --> 01:07:33,060 That was when I was thinking she's coming home for good. 945 01:07:45,860 --> 01:07:49,500 Fawziyah had made up her mind that, when she came back from Edinburgh, 946 01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:53,220 she was going to start divorce proceedings and divorce him. 947 01:07:55,180 --> 01:07:57,660 She was going to come back to our house, 948 01:07:57,660 --> 01:07:59,940 have the baby in a safe environment, 949 01:07:59,940 --> 01:08:02,220 and be away from him. 950 01:08:02,220 --> 01:08:03,180 That was the plan. 951 01:08:04,300 --> 01:08:06,580 But he always said, "You're never going to leave me. 952 01:08:06,580 --> 01:08:08,140 "That's never going to happen". 953 01:08:09,620 --> 01:08:12,460 So, I had the CCTV cameras installed 954 01:08:12,460 --> 01:08:15,900 because I knew that once Fawziyah left him, 955 01:08:15,900 --> 01:08:17,540 he wasn't going to leave it at that. 956 01:08:19,940 --> 01:08:22,500 But who thinks that somebody's going to do something 957 01:08:22,500 --> 01:08:24,860 so horrific, like this? 958 01:08:26,940 --> 01:08:28,860 Court. 959 01:08:28,860 --> 01:08:31,540 Did you hear anything out of the ordinary? 960 01:08:31,540 --> 01:08:33,540 WITNESS: I heard a female screaming. 961 01:08:33,540 --> 01:08:35,740 And then I heard a male screaming. 962 01:08:39,660 --> 01:08:41,580 Kashif's always been a good lad. 963 01:08:41,580 --> 01:08:43,260 Kashif is a very, very good, genuine guy. 964 01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:52,340 NEWSREADER: A man accused of murdering his pregnant wife 965 01:08:52,340 --> 01:08:54,740 by pushing her Arthur's Seat had 966 01:08:54,740 --> 01:08:58,300 a history of controlling and abusive behaviour. 967 01:08:58,300 --> 01:09:00,980 BARRISTER: Were they hoping their relationship would be improved 968 01:09:00,980 --> 01:09:02,580 after this trip to Edinburgh? 969 01:09:02,580 --> 01:09:05,340 No, she had plans in place to leave the accused. 970 01:09:05,340 --> 01:09:07,700 BARRISTER: Does Mr Anwar have something in his hand? 971 01:09:07,700 --> 01:09:09,380 Something similar to a mobile phone, yes. 972 01:09:09,380 --> 01:09:13,620 The last person who's noticeably got the phone is the lady herself. 973 01:09:21,300 --> 01:09:23,100 FAWZIYAH: Kash, you're a horrible person! 974 01:09:23,100 --> 01:09:24,420 If you love someone, 975 01:09:24,420 --> 01:09:27,660 you don't make them feel the way that you make me feel! 976 01:09:51,420 --> 01:09:53,220 I've been a lawyer a long time now, 977 01:09:53,220 --> 01:09:56,100 and it's immensely satisfying work. 978 01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:01,380 But when you're in a trial, 979 01:10:01,380 --> 01:10:03,780 it's hard, it's a grind. 980 01:10:04,940 --> 01:10:07,340 And while, privately, these cases can be 981 01:10:07,340 --> 01:10:09,620 quite disturbing and upsetting, 982 01:10:09,620 --> 01:10:10,820 we don't show that, 983 01:10:10,820 --> 01:10:13,980 and we don't allow that to be revealed in the court. 984 01:10:18,340 --> 01:10:20,660 Scotland has an excellent system 985 01:10:20,660 --> 01:10:23,140 whereby, no matter your wealth, 986 01:10:23,140 --> 01:10:27,540 you can still be defended by the best lawyers. 987 01:10:27,540 --> 01:10:30,140 Accused persons deserve the best representation, 988 01:10:30,140 --> 01:10:34,780 and justice has to be done in the courts. It's fundamental. 989 01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:41,540 We have set out the background of abuse which occurred in England, 990 01:10:41,540 --> 01:10:45,020 but ultimately the jury will not be returning a verdict 991 01:10:45,020 --> 01:10:46,980 on the events in England. 992 01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:49,180 Court. 993 01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:53,820 The key issue is what happened in Scotland. 994 01:10:53,820 --> 01:10:56,580 So, today, I'm going to call a witness 995 01:10:56,580 --> 01:10:59,260 who was walking on Arthur's Seat that night. 996 01:11:01,180 --> 01:11:03,380 Her evidence could be crucial in this case. 997 01:11:08,100 --> 01:11:12,500 On the 2nd of September, 2021, 998 01:11:12,500 --> 01:11:15,660 did you go for a walk on Arthur's Seat? 999 01:11:15,660 --> 01:11:18,380 Yes. What time did you leave your home? 1000 01:11:18,380 --> 01:11:21,060 I think it was around quarter past eight, in the evening. 1001 01:11:22,260 --> 01:11:23,500 Did you reach the top? 1002 01:11:23,500 --> 01:11:25,140 Yes. 1003 01:11:25,140 --> 01:11:27,940 As you made your way down, did you hear anything? 1004 01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:31,900 I heard someone behind me shout, "Sir!" 1005 01:11:31,900 --> 01:11:33,620 Did you turn round to see who it was? 1006 01:11:33,620 --> 01:11:37,580 Yes. I saw a man who was standing 1007 01:11:37,580 --> 01:11:40,500 in a sort of elevated space behind me, 1008 01:11:40,500 --> 01:11:42,700 and he started running towards me. 1009 01:11:43,780 --> 01:11:45,980 How was he, in his demeanour? 1010 01:11:46,940 --> 01:11:48,860 He seemed really panicked. 1011 01:11:48,860 --> 01:11:51,380 He said that he needed help coming down 1012 01:11:51,380 --> 01:11:53,740 because he couldn't see, and that his wife had fallen. 1013 01:12:05,980 --> 01:12:07,980 I asked him where she'd fallen, 1014 01:12:07,980 --> 01:12:09,740 and he said that he couldn't remember, 1015 01:12:09,740 --> 01:12:12,100 and it happened in a flash. 1016 01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:14,380 I think he asked me if I had a phone, 1017 01:12:14,380 --> 01:12:16,820 and I said that it died. 1018 01:12:16,820 --> 01:12:19,180 He said that he didn't have is phone on him, 1019 01:12:19,180 --> 01:12:21,020 and that the phones were with his wife. 1020 01:12:25,180 --> 01:12:29,180 He started shouting, "Fawziyah, where are you?" 1021 01:12:29,180 --> 01:12:31,580 And then I started shouting her name, as well. 1022 01:12:34,900 --> 01:12:38,580 At some point, he said, "She's pregnant." 1023 01:12:38,580 --> 01:12:40,860 And I was really shocked. 1024 01:12:40,860 --> 01:12:42,740 Why were you shocked? 1025 01:12:42,740 --> 01:12:45,020 I felt like if he was really, really scared 1026 01:12:45,020 --> 01:12:46,580 that he would have said something 1027 01:12:46,580 --> 01:12:48,380 about her being pregnant at the start. 1028 01:12:48,380 --> 01:12:50,940 It sort of just seemed like it just came out of the blue. 1029 01:12:55,020 --> 01:12:57,300 Did you locate someone who had a telephone? 1030 01:12:57,300 --> 01:12:58,420 Yes. 1031 01:12:58,420 --> 01:13:00,060 I saw two people, 1032 01:13:00,060 --> 01:13:03,020 and he quickly began to run towards them. 1033 01:13:04,180 --> 01:13:06,380 RINGING TONE: 1034 01:13:22,220 --> 01:13:24,580 I went up the hill a bit, 1035 01:13:24,580 --> 01:13:27,460 so maybe I could yell her name and she could hear me. 1036 01:13:27,460 --> 01:13:29,900 He also tried to come up the hill, as well, 1037 01:13:29,900 --> 01:13:31,300 but he wasn't able to. 1038 01:13:31,300 --> 01:13:34,460 Why was the-the man not able to come up the hill? 1039 01:13:34,460 --> 01:13:36,300 I think he was slipping. 1040 01:13:45,780 --> 01:13:48,580 I'm just going to put on the screen Production 99. 1041 01:13:49,700 --> 01:13:52,820 Am I right in saying that you would come from left to right, 1042 01:13:52,820 --> 01:13:54,260 up towards that area? 1043 01:13:54,260 --> 01:13:55,300 Yes. 1044 01:13:55,300 --> 01:13:57,180 But you'll see there are two arrows. 1045 01:13:57,180 --> 01:13:59,620 The lady was found where the red is positioned. 1046 01:13:59,620 --> 01:14:00,580 So... 1047 01:14:01,660 --> 01:14:03,940 ..did you reach the lady? 1048 01:14:03,940 --> 01:14:05,020 Yes. 1049 01:14:06,300 --> 01:14:08,100 Was she alive? 1050 01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:09,060 Yes. 1051 01:14:13,180 --> 01:14:17,580 Did you try to alert the man you've identified 1052 01:14:17,580 --> 01:14:20,780 as to the fact that you had discovered his wife? 1053 01:14:20,780 --> 01:14:24,380 Yes. I yelled, saying, "I've found her!" 1054 01:14:24,380 --> 01:14:27,700 And he yelled back, asking if she was bleeding. 1055 01:14:39,220 --> 01:14:42,660 Did the lady then hear this exchange - 1056 01:14:42,660 --> 01:14:45,220 you shouting to the man and the man shouting back? 1057 01:14:45,220 --> 01:14:46,300 Yes. 1058 01:14:46,300 --> 01:14:47,780 What was her reaction to that? 1059 01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:52,860 She told me not to let her husband near her, 1060 01:14:52,860 --> 01:14:54,740 and that he had pushed her. 1061 01:15:00,860 --> 01:15:03,380 Do you recall exactly what she said? 1062 01:15:05,020 --> 01:15:09,940 She said, the first time, "Don't let my husband near me, he pushed me." 1063 01:15:09,940 --> 01:15:13,380 I was very surprised, and I said, "He pushed you?" 1064 01:15:13,380 --> 01:15:16,940 And then she said, "I think so. I can't remember." 1065 01:15:36,180 --> 01:15:38,380 Now, will there be questions, Mr Duguid? 1066 01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:44,740 Now, when you were on the hill, you... 1067 01:15:46,060 --> 01:15:49,860 I think, noticed what he, the gentlemen, had on his feet. 1068 01:15:49,860 --> 01:15:51,060 Is that correct? 1069 01:15:51,060 --> 01:15:53,420 Yes. He had Converse shoes on. 1070 01:15:53,420 --> 01:15:56,420 Now, I think you said that, when he was coming towards you, 1071 01:15:56,420 --> 01:15:59,620 he himself was slipping, is that right? 1072 01:15:59,620 --> 01:16:01,900 Yes. But I was also wearing worn Converse shoes, 1073 01:16:01,900 --> 01:16:03,060 and I wasn't slipping. 1074 01:16:03,060 --> 01:16:06,860 Yeah. Well, I wasn't asking you about yourself. OK. 1075 01:16:06,860 --> 01:16:09,340 Um, I was asking you about him. Was he slipping? 1076 01:16:09,340 --> 01:16:10,460 Yes, he was. 1077 01:16:10,460 --> 01:16:13,300 So you were managing the terrain much better than he was? 1078 01:16:13,300 --> 01:16:14,500 Yes. 1079 01:16:16,460 --> 01:16:19,100 Now you described him as, 1080 01:16:19,100 --> 01:16:21,060 was it "panicked"? 1081 01:16:21,060 --> 01:16:22,260 Is that the word you used? 1082 01:16:22,260 --> 01:16:24,140 Yes. 1083 01:16:24,140 --> 01:16:26,100 He was in a panic? 1084 01:16:26,100 --> 01:16:27,820 Yes. 1085 01:16:27,820 --> 01:16:31,260 The police had noted you as saying, "I think he's pushed me." 1086 01:16:31,260 --> 01:16:32,900 Is that what she said? 1087 01:16:32,900 --> 01:16:34,380 Yes, but after that, she was adamant 1088 01:16:34,380 --> 01:16:35,820 that he'd pushed her, after that. 1089 01:16:35,820 --> 01:16:36,980 OK. 1090 01:16:36,980 --> 01:16:39,100 And when you challenged her, 1091 01:16:39,100 --> 01:16:41,620 she said, "I think so. I can't remember." 1092 01:16:41,620 --> 01:16:43,940 Yes. Is that correct? Yes. 1093 01:16:47,980 --> 01:16:49,220 All right. Thank you. 1094 01:16:51,660 --> 01:16:53,580 Right. That's no more questions. 1095 01:16:53,580 --> 01:16:56,340 Um, can I just commend you for your bravery and humanity 1096 01:16:56,340 --> 01:16:58,180 in what you tried to do. Thank you. 1097 01:16:58,180 --> 01:16:59,340 Thank you. 1098 01:17:09,220 --> 01:17:12,740 The young girl who actually has come, and great courage she's given, 1099 01:17:12,740 --> 01:17:16,380 to actually say she found Fawziyah at Arthur's Seat, 1100 01:17:16,380 --> 01:17:19,260 and Fawziyah told her that, "He's pushed me." Yeah. 1101 01:17:19,260 --> 01:17:21,700 You know, it was very hard to sort of digest that, you know? 1102 01:17:21,700 --> 01:17:23,300 Yes. She's a wonderful girl. 1103 01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:27,220 It's very fitting that the judge commended the...the girl. 1104 01:17:27,220 --> 01:17:28,500 Yes. Excellent. 1105 01:17:28,500 --> 01:17:30,060 It's up to the jury to decide. 1106 01:17:30,060 --> 01:17:32,420 It's not for me to decide what to make of it, 1107 01:17:32,420 --> 01:17:34,780 but all the various component parts are there. 1108 01:17:35,900 --> 01:17:37,100 How she managed 1109 01:17:37,100 --> 01:17:39,500 to give her accounts of events, 1110 01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:41,140 it's a miracle. 1111 01:17:41,140 --> 01:17:43,540 I believe the angels came 1112 01:17:43,540 --> 01:17:44,700 and woke her up. 1113 01:17:49,100 --> 01:17:52,260 I didn't know that Fawziyah said those things. 1114 01:17:54,540 --> 01:17:57,020 That was really upsetting. 1115 01:17:57,020 --> 01:17:58,900 It angered me so much, that did. 1116 01:18:06,860 --> 01:18:09,100 I am extremely angry. 1117 01:18:21,220 --> 01:18:23,740 QUIET PRAYING 1118 01:18:23,740 --> 01:18:25,540 Praying helps me cope. 1119 01:18:28,060 --> 01:18:31,460 It's our belief that when a person passes away, 1120 01:18:31,460 --> 01:18:36,740 we pray for them, and they are rewarded in the next life. 1121 01:18:36,740 --> 01:18:39,580 PRAYERS RECITED 1122 01:18:52,900 --> 01:18:54,860 To listen to a lot of the details, 1123 01:18:54,860 --> 01:18:57,940 and then the perpetrator's sat in front of you, 1124 01:18:57,940 --> 01:18:59,380 and you can't do anything. 1125 01:19:01,580 --> 01:19:05,020 Naturally, your body just fills with rage. 1126 01:19:07,740 --> 01:19:09,620 But kicking and screaming, 1127 01:19:09,620 --> 01:19:11,460 it's not what Fawziyah would have wanted. 1128 01:19:11,460 --> 01:19:13,140 So, you have to stay calm 1129 01:19:13,140 --> 01:19:15,980 and make sure that justice gets done. 1130 01:19:20,940 --> 01:19:25,340 Now, the next witness is giving evidence by a TV link. 1131 01:19:25,340 --> 01:19:28,260 Good afternoon, can you see and hear? 1132 01:19:28,260 --> 01:19:29,780 I can indeed, yeah. 1133 01:19:29,780 --> 01:19:34,100 Now, you are Police Constable Rhiannon Clutton, is that correct? 1134 01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:35,500 That is correct. 1135 01:19:35,500 --> 01:19:36,980 Were you instructed 1136 01:19:36,980 --> 01:19:40,860 to attend at Arthur's Seat in relation to 1137 01:19:40,860 --> 01:19:44,700 a female who had apparently fallen from the hill? 1138 01:19:44,700 --> 01:19:46,460 That's correct. 1139 01:19:46,460 --> 01:19:50,020 Did you locate the lady who had fallen? 1140 01:19:50,020 --> 01:19:51,580 I did. Yes. 1141 01:19:51,580 --> 01:19:53,780 Describe how she was? 1142 01:20:00,940 --> 01:20:03,940 She was amongst gorse bushes. 1143 01:20:03,940 --> 01:20:08,740 It was a very steep incline, approximately 45 degrees. 1144 01:20:13,460 --> 01:20:15,500 Her shoes had come off, 1145 01:20:15,500 --> 01:20:18,380 her head was facing towards the summit, 1146 01:20:18,380 --> 01:20:20,580 her feet were facing down the hill. 1147 01:20:24,460 --> 01:20:25,940 She had an injury, 1148 01:20:25,940 --> 01:20:28,500 an obvious injury to her head, 1149 01:20:28,500 --> 01:20:30,860 and she was writhing in pain, 1150 01:20:30,860 --> 01:20:34,260 but she was able to speak to me when I asked her questions. 1151 01:20:35,580 --> 01:20:38,420 Did you ask her what had happened? 1152 01:20:38,420 --> 01:20:39,940 I did, yes. 1153 01:20:39,940 --> 01:20:42,260 What was her response? 1154 01:20:42,260 --> 01:20:44,140 She said, "He pushed me." 1155 01:20:44,140 --> 01:20:46,580 COURT ATTENDEES MURMUR 1156 01:20:46,580 --> 01:20:49,180 I asked her who had pushed her, 1157 01:20:49,180 --> 01:20:52,620 and she said, "My husband, because I tried to end it." 1158 01:20:54,020 --> 01:20:56,900 I clarified whether she meant end her life 1159 01:20:56,900 --> 01:20:59,180 or end her relationship, 1160 01:20:59,180 --> 01:21:01,380 and she stated, "My relationship." 1161 01:21:02,860 --> 01:21:05,740 Did you ask her about a phone? 1162 01:21:05,740 --> 01:21:08,380 Yes. I asked her where her phone was 1163 01:21:08,380 --> 01:21:11,620 and she stated, "He's got it. He's taken it from me." 1164 01:21:13,260 --> 01:21:15,740 She asked me why he was like that, 1165 01:21:15,740 --> 01:21:17,700 why he treated her like that. 1166 01:21:19,220 --> 01:21:22,260 She asked me if she was going to die, 1167 01:21:22,260 --> 01:21:25,380 and she asked me if her baby was going to die. 1168 01:21:27,740 --> 01:21:30,940 And it wasn't until the fire service had arrived 1169 01:21:30,940 --> 01:21:33,340 that she'd become unresponsive. 1170 01:21:34,980 --> 01:21:37,700 When she became unresponsive, what did you do? 1171 01:21:38,740 --> 01:21:40,980 I started chest compressions. 1172 01:21:42,460 --> 01:21:44,020 Did there come a point 1173 01:21:44,020 --> 01:21:47,660 when further treatment would not be of any benefit? 1174 01:21:47,660 --> 01:21:50,020 That's correct, yes. 1175 01:21:50,020 --> 01:21:54,980 And at 2218 hours, was life pronounced extinct? 1176 01:21:56,060 --> 01:21:57,740 That's correct, yes. 1177 01:21:58,780 --> 01:22:00,500 Thank you. 1178 01:22:28,500 --> 01:22:30,220 There was a knock on the door 1179 01:22:30,220 --> 01:22:32,900 about five o'clock in the morning, the next day. 1180 01:22:34,540 --> 01:22:36,740 And I thought, "This is going to be bad news." 1181 01:22:38,140 --> 01:22:40,380 Yeah, I knew it was bad news. 1182 01:22:43,100 --> 01:22:44,700 Absolutely horrific. 1183 01:22:49,220 --> 01:22:53,460 I heard some loud screaming going downstairs. 1184 01:22:54,860 --> 01:22:57,380 There was no question of when you roll over and open your eyes, 1185 01:22:57,380 --> 01:22:59,660 and think, "What's going on here?" I just jumped out of bed. 1186 01:23:05,420 --> 01:23:06,980 I could see my mum. 1187 01:23:08,060 --> 01:23:09,620 She looked at me. 1188 01:23:09,620 --> 01:23:10,900 She says, "It's Fawziyah." 1189 01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:13,500 "She's died." 1190 01:23:24,980 --> 01:23:26,500 I said, "What are you saying, Mum? 1191 01:23:28,540 --> 01:23:30,740 "How? What happened to her?" 1192 01:23:35,540 --> 01:23:37,980 And then I says, "It's him, isn't it? 1193 01:23:37,980 --> 01:23:39,460 "He's killed her, hasn't he?" 1194 01:23:49,700 --> 01:23:52,820 Part of me just wanted to reject the idea so badly. 1195 01:23:53,900 --> 01:23:55,380 I just wanted her back. 1196 01:23:56,500 --> 01:23:59,380 FAWZIYAH: Oh, God! I'm going to need to go to the toilet, all right? 1197 01:23:59,380 --> 01:24:00,900 OK. Catch you later. 1198 01:24:00,900 --> 01:24:02,020 I'm stuck! 1199 01:24:02,020 --> 01:24:04,340 FAWZIYAH LAUGHS OK, bye, bye, bye! 1200 01:24:06,260 --> 01:24:09,740 I think we might be getting chucked out 1201 01:24:09,740 --> 01:24:12,580 cos we're spending way too long here. 1202 01:24:12,580 --> 01:24:15,380 Oh, my God! Where did you come from? 1203 01:24:15,380 --> 01:24:17,420 Her laugh was just contagious. 1204 01:24:17,420 --> 01:24:19,700 You couldn't help but laugh with her. 1205 01:24:19,700 --> 01:24:21,460 Whoa! What is this? 1206 01:24:21,460 --> 01:24:23,300 FAWZIYAH LAUGHS 1207 01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:25,260 Yay! Even though it didn't go down there. 1208 01:24:25,260 --> 01:24:26,860 Wahhh! 1209 01:24:26,860 --> 01:24:29,420 Fawziyah was an angel on earth. 1210 01:24:29,420 --> 01:24:31,460 Perfect in every way. 1211 01:24:31,460 --> 01:24:34,340 She did voluntary work for the orphans, 1212 01:24:34,340 --> 01:24:37,020 she mentored vulnerable children. 1213 01:24:37,020 --> 01:24:39,220 She gave so much to society... 1214 01:24:40,740 --> 01:24:43,620 ..and had so many plans for the future. 1215 01:24:45,100 --> 01:24:46,740 And we've been robbed. 1216 01:24:48,180 --> 01:24:50,020 You know. 1217 01:25:03,100 --> 01:25:04,220 Thanks. 1218 01:25:04,220 --> 01:25:07,060 The members of the jury have heard evidence 1219 01:25:07,060 --> 01:25:09,700 of what Fawziyah said on Arthur's Seat. 1220 01:25:10,740 --> 01:25:12,380 And now we're going to hear 1221 01:25:12,380 --> 01:25:15,060 evidence of the accused reaction and comments. 1222 01:25:16,980 --> 01:25:19,340 Now, who's next, please, Advocate Depute? 1223 01:25:19,340 --> 01:25:22,740 Number 48 on the Crown list, Sean Stratford. 1224 01:25:24,460 --> 01:25:26,380 What I'm seeking to do is try 1225 01:25:26,380 --> 01:25:31,420 and demonstrate to the jury the state of mind of the accused, 1226 01:25:31,420 --> 01:25:34,580 which I say was to kill his wife. 1227 01:25:47,340 --> 01:25:48,660 Right. Good morning. 1228 01:25:48,660 --> 01:25:51,500 Would you raise your right hand, please? I swear by Almighty God... 1229 01:25:51,500 --> 01:25:52,660 I swear by Almighty God... 1230 01:25:52,660 --> 01:25:53,940 ..that I will tell the truth... 1231 01:25:53,940 --> 01:25:56,620 ..that I will tell the truth... ..the whole truth... ..the whole truth... 1232 01:25:56,620 --> 01:25:59,020 ..and nothing but the truth. ..and nothing but the truth. Yes. Thank you. 1233 01:25:59,020 --> 01:26:00,220 Advocate Depute. 1234 01:26:00,220 --> 01:26:01,220 Thank you, My Lord. 1235 01:26:02,540 --> 01:26:04,380 Are you Sean Stratford? 1236 01:26:04,380 --> 01:26:05,700 Yes, I am. 1237 01:26:05,700 --> 01:26:07,460 And are you a firefighter? 1238 01:26:07,460 --> 01:26:08,780 Yes, I am. 1239 01:26:08,780 --> 01:26:11,220 On arrival at Arthur's Seat, 1240 01:26:11,220 --> 01:26:13,020 did you meet anyone who appeared 1241 01:26:13,020 --> 01:26:16,020 to be related in some way to the injured party? 1242 01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:18,380 Yes, it was a gentleman came over, said that, 1243 01:26:18,380 --> 01:26:20,100 if I recall correctly, he'd stood up, 1244 01:26:20,100 --> 01:26:22,660 they'd stood up to take a selfie, 1245 01:26:22,660 --> 01:26:25,220 he'd slipped and bumped her, and she'd fallen off. 1246 01:26:25,220 --> 01:26:27,820 Right, and how, was he? 1247 01:26:27,820 --> 01:26:29,780 He seemed very... 1248 01:26:29,780 --> 01:26:31,460 In my opinion, seemed calm. 1249 01:26:32,580 --> 01:26:34,620 All right. Thank you. 1250 01:26:34,620 --> 01:26:35,900 Mr Duguid? 1251 01:26:37,940 --> 01:26:40,660 Now, you had a verbal exchange with a man, 1252 01:26:40,660 --> 01:26:43,620 and I think you said he seemed calm. Yes, sir. 1253 01:26:43,620 --> 01:26:49,340 So, I want to ask you to listen to a recording, then. Production 45. 1254 01:27:11,780 --> 01:27:16,180 All right. So, when you described him as quite calm, 1255 01:27:16,180 --> 01:27:20,260 is this just the same as how he's speaking in this recording? 1256 01:27:20,260 --> 01:27:23,540 No. But like I say, that was just in my opinion when we got there, sir. 1257 01:27:23,540 --> 01:27:25,340 OK, so I appreciate it was your opinion, 1258 01:27:25,340 --> 01:27:28,420 but I was trying to work out whether 1259 01:27:28,420 --> 01:27:32,380 the man in this recording sounded the same 1260 01:27:32,380 --> 01:27:35,340 as the man you spoke to when you spoke to him. 1261 01:27:35,340 --> 01:27:36,420 No. 1262 01:27:38,140 --> 01:27:39,220 All right, thank you. 1263 01:27:42,260 --> 01:27:43,580 Advocate Depute? 1264 01:27:49,140 --> 01:27:52,060 Did you hear any reference to a selfie in that exchange, 1265 01:27:52,060 --> 01:27:53,780 in the one we just played? 1266 01:27:53,780 --> 01:27:54,980 No, I didn't. 1267 01:27:54,980 --> 01:27:56,540 Thank you. 1268 01:28:03,300 --> 01:28:06,020 Could you raise your right hand, please? I swear by Almighty God... 1269 01:28:06,020 --> 01:28:08,100 I swear by Almighty God... 1270 01:28:08,100 --> 01:28:12,900 The jury will hear from a police officer who escorted the accused 1271 01:28:12,900 --> 01:28:15,380 from Arthur's Seat to a police station. 1272 01:28:22,380 --> 01:28:26,180 I arrived with Mr Anwar at the Gayfield Police Station, 1273 01:28:26,180 --> 01:28:29,860 and then I was instructed to inform him that his wife had died, 1274 01:28:29,860 --> 01:28:32,460 and take the statement, if he was in a suitable place 1275 01:28:32,460 --> 01:28:33,740 to have the statement taken. 1276 01:28:34,900 --> 01:28:38,180 I'd like you to read this for us slowly, please? 1277 01:28:39,580 --> 01:28:43,380 "Me and my wife Fawziyah Javed have been in Edinburgh 1278 01:28:43,380 --> 01:28:44,860 "for a mini-moon. 1279 01:28:50,100 --> 01:28:53,100 "I think we were at Wagamama's around six o'clock. 1280 01:28:53,100 --> 01:28:56,100 "We then put Arthur's Seat into the maps on our phone 1281 01:28:56,100 --> 01:28:58,340 "and walked through the train station. 1282 01:28:59,820 --> 01:29:02,380 "I reckon we arrived at the bottom of Arthur's Seat 1283 01:29:02,380 --> 01:29:03,820 around seven, half seven. 1284 01:29:15,220 --> 01:29:17,500 "It took us a while to get to the top... 1285 01:29:19,420 --> 01:29:21,380 "..but we eventually got there. 1286 01:29:27,020 --> 01:29:30,100 "When we got to the top, we took some pictures. 1287 01:29:33,460 --> 01:29:35,740 "We'd gone there to see the sunset, 1288 01:29:35,740 --> 01:29:37,060 "but we had just missed it. 1289 01:29:44,340 --> 01:29:46,780 "We decided we were going home, 1290 01:29:46,780 --> 01:29:49,260 "so we started to look for a way down. 1291 01:29:52,620 --> 01:29:54,660 "We were both walking, 1292 01:29:54,660 --> 01:29:57,420 "I was to the right and she was to my left. 1293 01:29:58,780 --> 01:30:01,780 "I lost my balance and fell on to her 1294 01:30:01,780 --> 01:30:03,620 "which caused her to lose her balance. 1295 01:30:04,700 --> 01:30:06,260 "I heard her go over the edge 1296 01:30:06,260 --> 01:30:08,660 "and say, 'Oh, shit! My foot!' 1297 01:30:09,980 --> 01:30:11,660 "And she started screaming. 1298 01:30:12,780 --> 01:30:13,940 "I heard a thud. 1299 01:30:15,180 --> 01:30:19,060 "I kept shouting her name, but I wasn't getting any response." 1300 01:30:21,340 --> 01:30:24,220 Once that statement was taken, 1301 01:30:24,220 --> 01:30:28,540 were you aware of developments with regard to this inquiry? 1302 01:30:28,540 --> 01:30:30,900 Yes, so the statement was to stop, 1303 01:30:30,900 --> 01:30:33,260 as Mr Anwar was about to be arrested. 1304 01:30:33,260 --> 01:30:35,100 What was he to be arrested for? 1305 01:30:36,220 --> 01:30:37,420 For murder. 1306 01:30:39,820 --> 01:30:41,460 Was he searched? 1307 01:30:41,460 --> 01:30:42,580 He was, yes. 1308 01:30:43,900 --> 01:30:46,340 Was a telephone recovered from him? 1309 01:30:47,380 --> 01:30:48,940 There was, yes. 1310 01:30:48,940 --> 01:30:50,620 He said it belonged to his wife. 1311 01:30:50,620 --> 01:30:52,020 Belonged to his wife? 1312 01:30:52,020 --> 01:30:53,260 Yes. 1313 01:31:10,580 --> 01:31:13,100 In the time that I've been in the police, 1314 01:31:13,100 --> 01:31:17,020 I would say that the worst accident I've heard of on Arthur's Seat is 1315 01:31:17,020 --> 01:31:19,380 someone breaking a bone. 1316 01:31:19,380 --> 01:31:21,660 People don't fall from it. 1317 01:31:21,660 --> 01:31:23,460 They don't. So... 1318 01:31:23,460 --> 01:31:24,940 And I think it would be fair to say 1319 01:31:24,940 --> 01:31:26,460 that, from the outset, 1320 01:31:26,460 --> 01:31:29,340 I was suspicious that it had been an accident. 1321 01:31:29,340 --> 01:31:31,860 But, at the same time, maintaining an open mind 1322 01:31:31,860 --> 01:31:34,460 that potentially this has been a tragic accident. 1323 01:31:37,980 --> 01:31:40,340 When I began my shift for that morning, 1324 01:31:40,340 --> 01:31:42,620 I was literally told there is a woman 1325 01:31:42,620 --> 01:31:44,060 that's fallen off Arthur's Seat, 1326 01:31:44,060 --> 01:31:46,020 she has succumbed to those injuries, 1327 01:31:46,020 --> 01:31:48,660 and we have information that suggests her husband has pushed her. 1328 01:31:53,900 --> 01:31:58,820 Where Fawziyah was found was off any normal walking route. 1329 01:31:59,940 --> 01:32:02,220 It was within gorse, it was overgrown, 1330 01:32:02,220 --> 01:32:04,180 it was a difficult area to reach. 1331 01:32:04,180 --> 01:32:06,620 It would be something that hill walkers probably wouldn't 1332 01:32:06,620 --> 01:32:11,020 try to reach, given the sheer terrain and the slope involved. 1333 01:32:16,220 --> 01:32:20,620 We used the Police Service of Scotland's Mountain Rescue officers 1334 01:32:20,620 --> 01:32:24,220 to assist with finding any evidence that we could from Fawziyah, 1335 01:32:24,220 --> 01:32:26,980 and, indeed, getting her back down from Arthur's Seat 1336 01:32:26,980 --> 01:32:29,700 in a way that caused the least distress to the family 1337 01:32:29,700 --> 01:32:32,140 and to the wider public, who would, no doubt, 1338 01:32:32,140 --> 01:32:33,780 have been passing by at that time. 1339 01:32:43,780 --> 01:32:46,780 Forensically, it was going to be very difficult to prove 1340 01:32:46,780 --> 01:32:48,700 what Fawziyah had said had happened, 1341 01:32:48,700 --> 01:32:51,100 because of the injuries she'd sustained. 1342 01:32:51,100 --> 01:32:52,940 There was never going to be the opportunity 1343 01:32:52,940 --> 01:32:56,860 to show any injuries caused by Kashif pushing her from the hill. 1344 01:32:58,380 --> 01:33:00,180 The only people that truly knew 1345 01:33:00,180 --> 01:33:02,620 what had happened were Fawziyah and Kashif. 1346 01:33:02,620 --> 01:33:04,900 Could you raise your right hand, please? 1347 01:33:04,900 --> 01:33:06,940 Detective Constable Caballero 1348 01:33:06,940 --> 01:33:09,140 conducted an interview with Mr Anwar. 1349 01:33:11,620 --> 01:33:15,980 Do you see there a photograph of Mr Anwar? 1350 01:33:15,980 --> 01:33:17,540 Yes, I do. 1351 01:33:17,540 --> 01:33:19,900 At 2250 hours, 1352 01:33:19,900 --> 01:33:25,380 did you then proceed to interview the accused under caution? 1353 01:33:25,380 --> 01:33:26,620 Yes, I did. 1354 01:33:26,620 --> 01:33:28,620 Should we understand that a person 1355 01:33:28,620 --> 01:33:32,060 in the position of Mr Anwar has a legal right 1356 01:33:32,060 --> 01:33:34,740 to decline to answer questions, 1357 01:33:34,740 --> 01:33:38,060 and, with very few exceptions, he exercised that right 1358 01:33:38,060 --> 01:33:40,340 and made no comment? 1359 01:33:40,340 --> 01:33:41,900 That is correct, yes. Thank you. 1360 01:33:43,620 --> 01:33:46,900 Was he charged with murder shortly after that? 1361 01:33:46,900 --> 01:33:48,140 Yes. 1362 01:33:51,260 --> 01:33:53,620 When we got to the charge bit, 1363 01:33:53,620 --> 01:33:57,620 he asked if he would be getting bail on Monday. 1364 01:33:57,620 --> 01:33:59,460 And then he followed up by saying, 1365 01:33:59,460 --> 01:34:01,860 "Probably not. Not for murder." 1366 01:34:01,860 --> 01:34:05,700 He then began to ask about Edinburgh prisons, 1367 01:34:05,700 --> 01:34:09,460 asking how many years I reckoned that he would get. 1368 01:34:09,460 --> 01:34:11,940 He then said, "Double figures. 1369 01:34:11,940 --> 01:34:14,220 "Maybe 15 to 20 years, 1370 01:34:14,220 --> 01:34:15,500 "that's a long time." 1371 01:34:17,020 --> 01:34:19,940 He said, "My life is ruined now." 1372 01:34:21,060 --> 01:34:24,060 And asked if this would get media attention. 1373 01:34:25,180 --> 01:34:29,940 All these comments were made without any response from myself. 1374 01:34:29,940 --> 01:34:31,100 Thank you. 1375 01:34:38,940 --> 01:34:40,980 Now, if I understand correctly, 1376 01:34:40,980 --> 01:34:42,460 for about an hour, 1377 01:34:42,460 --> 01:34:45,900 you had been interviewing Mr Anwar 1378 01:34:45,900 --> 01:34:47,780 while he was under caution. 1379 01:34:47,780 --> 01:34:50,340 And the start of the interview, you said, 1380 01:34:50,340 --> 01:34:52,700 "What can you tell me about the murder of Fawziyah Javed 1381 01:34:52,700 --> 01:34:55,980 "on the 2nd of September, 2021?" 1382 01:34:55,980 --> 01:34:57,740 How did you know she was murdered? 1383 01:35:00,580 --> 01:35:04,300 We'd information that she had passed away, 1384 01:35:04,300 --> 01:35:10,180 and the officers at the scene had been told 1385 01:35:10,180 --> 01:35:15,180 that she may have been pushed by her husband. 1386 01:35:15,180 --> 01:35:18,380 Mm. But I'm asking you, how did you know she was murdered? 1387 01:35:18,380 --> 01:35:19,700 You've asked the question, 1388 01:35:19,700 --> 01:35:22,100 "What do you know about the murder of Fawziyah Javed?" 1389 01:35:22,100 --> 01:35:25,540 She had apparently spoken to someone saying she'd been pushed. 1390 01:35:25,540 --> 01:35:30,180 But he had spoken to someone saying she'd fallen in an accident. 1391 01:35:30,180 --> 01:35:31,260 Yes. 1392 01:35:31,260 --> 01:35:33,620 So, you did have information 1393 01:35:33,620 --> 01:35:38,540 suggesting that he had fallen himself and caused her to fall? 1394 01:35:38,540 --> 01:35:40,020 Yes. 1395 01:35:40,020 --> 01:35:45,260 And you go on to say, "We're trying to establish what exactly happened." 1396 01:35:45,260 --> 01:35:47,660 That's what you say to him, isn't it? 1397 01:35:47,660 --> 01:35:51,500 But in actual fact, you've told him that it's a murder. 1398 01:35:51,500 --> 01:35:53,780 Yes. That's correct, isn't it? 1399 01:35:53,780 --> 01:35:56,260 So, you're not that much interested 1400 01:35:56,260 --> 01:35:59,900 in what actually happened, then, are you? 1401 01:35:59,900 --> 01:36:01,220 No, we absolutely are. 1402 01:36:06,020 --> 01:36:09,460 And then he says, "I've been treated like a criminal, though." 1403 01:36:09,460 --> 01:36:12,420 He was being treated like a criminal, wasn't he? 1404 01:36:12,420 --> 01:36:14,140 That was his opinion. 1405 01:36:14,140 --> 01:36:18,380 He was going to get charged with murder no matter what he said. 1406 01:36:25,460 --> 01:36:26,540 Thank you. 1407 01:36:26,540 --> 01:36:28,380 Right, there are no more questions, 1408 01:36:28,380 --> 01:36:31,140 so that's your evidence finished and you're free to go, thank you. 1409 01:36:31,140 --> 01:36:32,100 Thank you. 1410 01:36:36,660 --> 01:36:38,740 The entire crux of the case 1411 01:36:38,740 --> 01:36:43,140 rests on whether Kashif Anwar pushed his wife from Arthur's Seat, 1412 01:36:43,140 --> 01:36:45,780 or whether - as he said - he slipped, bumped into her 1413 01:36:45,780 --> 01:36:47,980 and she fell from Arthur's Seat. 1414 01:36:54,060 --> 01:36:58,580 There's that possibility that Fawziyah thought she'd been pushed 1415 01:36:58,580 --> 01:37:01,060 and that Kashif had slipped into the back of her 1416 01:37:01,060 --> 01:37:02,500 and she felt like she was pushed, 1417 01:37:02,500 --> 01:37:05,540 but in actual fact, how could we ever prove that she has been pushed? 1418 01:37:05,540 --> 01:37:07,940 And that's a real concern. 1419 01:37:25,220 --> 01:37:29,620 It was the 4th of September, Fawziyah's birthday. 1420 01:37:29,620 --> 01:37:32,420 A few of my family members went to Edinburgh 1421 01:37:32,420 --> 01:37:37,420 to go identify Fawziyah at a mortuary. 1422 01:37:37,420 --> 01:37:39,780 While I should have been celebrating with her - 1423 01:37:39,780 --> 01:37:43,740 you know, family get-together, giggling, laughing, joking - 1424 01:37:43,740 --> 01:37:45,500 there she was lying in the mortuary. 1425 01:37:52,820 --> 01:37:56,300 Never in a million years did I think this is going to happen. 1426 01:37:56,300 --> 01:38:01,220 To turn up on her birthday, that was the hardest part to accept. 1427 01:38:28,580 --> 01:38:32,300 The longer that the trial goes on, the more I'm worried about 1428 01:38:32,300 --> 01:38:34,980 how Fawziyah's family are coping with this. 1429 01:38:39,460 --> 01:38:42,900 Coming face-to-face with Kashif Anwar's family and friends 1430 01:38:42,900 --> 01:38:45,100 has been really difficult for them. 1431 01:38:47,780 --> 01:38:52,180 In the family's eyes, yes, we've got Kashif Anwar up there being tried 1432 01:38:52,180 --> 01:38:55,940 for murder, but there are other people who have enabled things 1433 01:38:55,940 --> 01:38:58,220 to get to where they got to in that relationship. 1434 01:39:13,940 --> 01:39:15,420 Understandably, you know, 1435 01:39:15,420 --> 01:39:18,740 tensions between the families are running very high. 1436 01:39:22,220 --> 01:39:24,580 For some of Yasmin's family, it's been very difficult 1437 01:39:24,580 --> 01:39:27,860 to contain that anger and that rage that they feel. 1438 01:39:45,580 --> 01:39:48,860 To see his mother waving at him in the public gallery 1439 01:39:48,860 --> 01:39:52,380 and blowing kisses at him, you know, it's absolutely disgraceful. 1440 01:39:54,780 --> 01:39:59,900 You know, your son's charged for murder and you've showed no remorse. 1441 01:40:08,980 --> 01:40:11,460 Yes, who's next, please? Thank you, My Lord. 1442 01:40:11,460 --> 01:40:16,500 Next witness is Crown witness 103 in the Crown list, Sabeen Rashid. 1443 01:40:18,980 --> 01:40:21,980 Very quickly after the investigation commenced, 1444 01:40:21,980 --> 01:40:25,740 we learned that Kashif had lost his phone at York train station 1445 01:40:25,740 --> 01:40:27,860 when travelling towards Edinburgh. 1446 01:40:27,860 --> 01:40:30,980 So, we realised that the phone that was recovered from Kashif 1447 01:40:30,980 --> 01:40:32,700 was Fawziyah's mobile phone. 1448 01:40:34,540 --> 01:40:41,740 Sabeen Rashid had the huge job of interrogating Fawziyah's phone. 1449 01:40:41,740 --> 01:40:44,020 Are you Sabeen Rashid? 1450 01:40:44,020 --> 01:40:45,460 Yes. 1451 01:40:45,460 --> 01:40:50,460 When you examined the mobile phone attributed to Fawziyah Javed, 1452 01:40:50,460 --> 01:40:53,700 were a number of images detected? 1453 01:40:53,700 --> 01:40:56,100 That's correct. 1454 01:40:56,100 --> 01:41:00,740 We understand those to be Fawziyah Javed and Kashif Anwar? 1455 01:41:00,740 --> 01:41:02,420 Yes. 1456 01:41:02,420 --> 01:41:06,340 This was the last photograph featuring Javed and Anwar, 1457 01:41:06,340 --> 01:41:08,620 is that correct? That's correct. 1458 01:41:08,620 --> 01:41:12,020 In examining calls on the device, 1459 01:41:12,020 --> 01:41:16,380 at any time were the emergency services number 999 called? 1460 01:41:16,380 --> 01:41:17,340 No. 1461 01:41:22,980 --> 01:41:27,780 Kashif maintained that he had forgot he had the phone in that panic. 1462 01:41:27,780 --> 01:41:30,980 However, shortly before, he'd been taking selfies of him 1463 01:41:30,980 --> 01:41:33,900 and Fawziyah on the top of the hill minutes before she fell. 1464 01:41:38,140 --> 01:41:40,780 The first thing anyone does when there's a terrible accident 1465 01:41:40,780 --> 01:41:42,700 is phone 999. 1466 01:41:42,700 --> 01:41:49,820 At 21:19:44, here's a voice call using Fawziyah Javed's handset? 1467 01:41:49,820 --> 01:41:50,780 Yes. 1468 01:41:52,220 --> 01:41:54,420 DIALLING TONE 1469 01:41:56,340 --> 01:42:00,260 It became even more concerning when I found out through Sabeen 1470 01:42:00,260 --> 01:42:03,260 that he had made a telephone call on that phone 1471 01:42:03,260 --> 01:42:05,300 before police had arrived. 1472 01:42:05,300 --> 01:42:08,460 AUTOMATED VOICE: I'm sorry, but the person you've called is not available. 1473 01:42:08,460 --> 01:42:10,860 The duration of that was only six seconds? 1474 01:42:10,860 --> 01:42:13,220 Yes. 1475 01:42:13,220 --> 01:42:16,660 What was the device which received this call? 1476 01:42:16,660 --> 01:42:19,980 It was the number attributed to Mohammed Javed. 1477 01:42:19,980 --> 01:42:25,460 So, there's a call for six seconds with the father of Fawziyah Javed? 1478 01:42:25,460 --> 01:42:27,500 Yes, that's right. 1479 01:42:27,500 --> 01:42:31,820 And at 21:20:09, again a voice call, is that correct? 1480 01:42:31,820 --> 01:42:32,780 That's right. 1481 01:42:32,780 --> 01:42:36,020 This time, the duration is one minute, is that correct? 1482 01:42:36,020 --> 01:42:36,980 That's correct. 1483 01:42:45,980 --> 01:42:48,180 DIALLING TONE 1484 01:42:55,660 --> 01:42:57,700 Who was the recipient? 1485 01:42:57,700 --> 01:43:02,700 So, the number dialled was a number attributed to Mohammad Khan. 1486 01:43:02,700 --> 01:43:05,340 And Mohammad Khan, you understood, was...? 1487 01:43:05,340 --> 01:43:07,540 It was Kashif Anwar's father. 1488 01:43:19,220 --> 01:43:21,980 In my opinion, after the actual incident, 1489 01:43:21,980 --> 01:43:24,260 Kashif realised he'd phoned the wrong number - 1490 01:43:24,260 --> 01:43:25,540 because it was Fawziyah's phone - 1491 01:43:25,540 --> 01:43:27,820 and he was phoning Fawziyah's dad rather than his own, 1492 01:43:27,820 --> 01:43:29,140 and hung up the phone. 1493 01:43:29,140 --> 01:43:31,980 So, then, immediately after that, phoned his own father. 1494 01:43:31,980 --> 01:43:35,700 We don't know what was said there, but it was a minute-long call, 1495 01:43:35,700 --> 01:43:38,060 and Kashif has then hung up from that call 1496 01:43:38,060 --> 01:43:39,460 and placed the phone back in his pocket 1497 01:43:39,460 --> 01:43:42,140 and not told the police anything about that call. 1498 01:43:42,140 --> 01:43:43,660 Mr Duguid? 1499 01:43:43,660 --> 01:43:46,780 No questions, thank you. Right, that's your evidence finished. 1500 01:43:46,780 --> 01:43:48,620 You're free to go, thank you. Thank you. 1501 01:43:52,540 --> 01:43:54,860 He didn't ring the emergency services, 1502 01:43:54,860 --> 01:43:56,540 he rang his father. 1503 01:43:56,540 --> 01:43:59,060 That's not normal behaviour. 1504 01:43:59,060 --> 01:44:02,700 His father didn't even bother contacting us. 1505 01:44:02,700 --> 01:44:04,380 We found out the next day 1506 01:44:04,380 --> 01:44:08,420 when the police came knocking on our door at 5.00 in the morning. 1507 01:44:08,420 --> 01:44:13,700 Can you imagine somebody knew what had happened to your daughter, 1508 01:44:13,700 --> 01:44:15,460 and they didn't even tell you? 1509 01:44:18,220 --> 01:44:21,660 His parents have never said how heartbroken they are, 1510 01:44:21,660 --> 01:44:23,580 they've never showed any remorse. 1511 01:44:23,580 --> 01:44:26,260 In fact, they've just added to our pain. 1512 01:44:37,020 --> 01:44:40,260 My Lord, I formally close the Crown case. 1513 01:44:40,260 --> 01:44:41,740 So, members of the jury, 1514 01:44:41,740 --> 01:44:46,140 you've heard all the evidence for the prosecution. Now, Mr Duguid? 1515 01:44:46,140 --> 01:44:48,740 My Lord, at this stage, I'd ask to move Your Lordship 1516 01:44:48,740 --> 01:44:52,180 to adjourn the proceedings until 10 o'clock tomorrow morning. 1517 01:44:52,180 --> 01:44:55,300 All right, members of the jury will adjourn. Court. 1518 01:44:57,860 --> 01:45:01,740 It's now for the defence to decide what they wish to do. 1519 01:45:01,740 --> 01:45:05,700 An accused can elect to give evidence or not give evidence. 1520 01:45:05,700 --> 01:45:08,900 The defence appears to be that this was an accident 1521 01:45:08,900 --> 01:45:11,260 rather than a deliberate push. 1522 01:45:11,260 --> 01:45:15,500 So, I would anticipate that he will give evidence tomorrow morning. 1523 01:45:29,620 --> 01:45:32,180 What time is it? It's only ten past. 1524 01:45:32,180 --> 01:45:36,020 He could take the stand, so let's see. 1525 01:45:36,020 --> 01:45:40,620 I think he will take the stand because obviously it's a... 1526 01:45:40,620 --> 01:45:41,820 Yeah. 1527 01:45:41,820 --> 01:45:45,180 I'd like to see the prosecution rip him apart. 1528 01:45:45,180 --> 01:45:47,700 PHONE RINGS Taxi's here. 1529 01:45:57,260 --> 01:45:59,620 I'm not interested in anything he has to say 1530 01:45:59,620 --> 01:46:02,820 because it's going to be lies anyway. Makes no difference. 1531 01:46:02,820 --> 01:46:05,020 This is just a procedure we have to go through. 1532 01:46:08,620 --> 01:46:10,940 I don't know what's going to happen this morning. 1533 01:46:14,180 --> 01:46:15,980 If the accused does give evidence, 1534 01:46:15,980 --> 01:46:19,100 then I'm ready to go if that's required at 10 o'clock. 1535 01:46:26,180 --> 01:46:29,180 Right, we had reached the end of the Crown case, 1536 01:46:29,180 --> 01:46:32,380 so I'll now ask Mr Duguid what's to happen next. Mr Duguid? 1537 01:46:32,380 --> 01:46:34,940 Lord, the accused elects not to give evidence 1538 01:46:34,940 --> 01:46:37,860 nor to lead any defence evidence. 1539 01:46:37,860 --> 01:46:39,620 Right. 1540 01:46:39,620 --> 01:46:41,980 INAUDIBLE 1541 01:46:41,980 --> 01:46:45,180 That is the close of evidence for the accused. 1542 01:46:45,180 --> 01:46:49,500 All right, so that means there will be no more evidence in the trial 1543 01:46:49,500 --> 01:46:51,420 and there will now be speeches. 1544 01:46:55,100 --> 01:46:58,260 I had the feeling he wasn't going to take the stand. Yeah. 1545 01:46:58,260 --> 01:47:00,740 I had a feeling. I thought, He's going to bottle it, 1546 01:47:00,740 --> 01:47:02,620 "right at the end, he's going to bottle it," 1547 01:47:02,620 --> 01:47:06,420 cos he's had control right up until now. 1548 01:47:06,420 --> 01:47:08,020 Coward. Yeah, yeah. 1549 01:47:08,020 --> 01:47:12,420 As soon as he says, "My Lord, he's not gonna give any evidence," 1550 01:47:12,420 --> 01:47:14,780 I went, "Aw!" I-I had the feeling. No, no, that's what... 1551 01:47:14,780 --> 01:47:17,140 He's a coward. That's the sign of a coward - 1552 01:47:17,140 --> 01:47:19,340 he's got so much evidence against him. 1553 01:47:26,740 --> 01:47:28,540 Preparing for a closing speech, 1554 01:47:28,540 --> 01:47:30,940 you're trying to get to the evidence that's credible 1555 01:47:30,940 --> 01:47:33,300 because it's true and reliable. 1556 01:47:36,060 --> 01:47:39,620 You want that in the forefront of their mind. 1557 01:47:43,140 --> 01:47:46,180 You've got the public watching it, you've got the family watching it, 1558 01:47:46,180 --> 01:47:51,380 the jury watching. I would defy anyone, even with vast experience, 1559 01:47:51,380 --> 01:47:53,780 to suggest that they don't get nervous. 1560 01:47:53,780 --> 01:47:56,140 But you never show any of this. 1561 01:47:56,140 --> 01:47:58,580 Everybody has nerves - and if you don't have nerves, 1562 01:47:58,580 --> 01:48:02,380 you're probably not doing your job properly. 1563 01:48:02,380 --> 01:48:04,660 Are you ready to address the jury? I am, My Lord. 1564 01:48:04,660 --> 01:48:08,020 If you would, please. 1565 01:48:08,020 --> 01:48:11,780 Alex Prentice is an excellent prosecutor. 1566 01:48:11,780 --> 01:48:14,900 And he's a very worthy adversary. 1567 01:48:27,100 --> 01:48:32,380 On Arthur's Seat on the 2nd of September 2021, 1568 01:48:32,380 --> 01:48:38,420 Fawziyah Javed, scared, in pain, lay among gorse bushes 1569 01:48:38,420 --> 01:48:41,660 and asked why her husband was like that 1570 01:48:41,660 --> 01:48:43,860 and treated her like that. 1571 01:48:45,700 --> 01:48:51,620 She said he pushed her because she tried to end the relationship. 1572 01:48:53,460 --> 01:48:55,940 I suggest the evidence clearly demonstrates 1573 01:48:55,940 --> 01:49:01,900 that Kashif Anwar absolutely controlled Fawziyah Javed's life. 1574 01:49:04,260 --> 01:49:10,100 In the telephone call, Kashif Anwar said to Fawziyah Javed, 1575 01:49:10,100 --> 01:49:13,100 "You're a disease in everyone's life. 1576 01:49:13,100 --> 01:49:17,420 "The sooner you are dead or the sooner you are out of my life, 1577 01:49:17,420 --> 01:49:18,780 "it'll be better." 1578 01:49:23,260 --> 01:49:26,780 Now, ladies and gentlemen, it's my privilege to address you 1579 01:49:26,780 --> 01:49:29,180 on behalf of the accused, Kashif Anwar. 1580 01:49:29,180 --> 01:49:32,100 And you've just been listening to evidence 1581 01:49:32,100 --> 01:49:36,580 of what a horrible guy he is. 1582 01:49:36,580 --> 01:49:40,980 Kashif Anwar is a horrible, disrespectful, 1583 01:49:40,980 --> 01:49:44,460 coercive, controlling, abusive individual. 1584 01:49:46,020 --> 01:49:50,860 If you're thinking that, well, maybe I'm thinking that myself, 1585 01:49:50,860 --> 01:49:53,220 even though I'm his legal representative. 1586 01:49:53,220 --> 01:49:56,860 I've got no immunity from having emotions just like you. 1587 01:49:56,860 --> 01:49:59,780 But that is no way to judge the case, 1588 01:49:59,780 --> 01:50:02,060 and you're not being asked to find him guilty 1589 01:50:02,060 --> 01:50:04,820 of being a horrible, nasty guy. 1590 01:50:04,820 --> 01:50:08,220 You're being asked to decide whether he has committed a murder. 1591 01:50:14,340 --> 01:50:18,420 But let's consider the evidence on Arthur's Seat. 1592 01:50:18,420 --> 01:50:24,860 Fawziyah Javed said, "Don't let my husband near me, he pushed me." 1593 01:50:24,860 --> 01:50:28,620 She was adamant that he had pushed her. 1594 01:50:28,620 --> 01:50:31,780 She said, "He pushed me." 1595 01:50:31,780 --> 01:50:35,780 He was saying, "I slipped and I went to grab her arm, 1596 01:50:35,780 --> 01:50:38,740 "and she went sideways." 1597 01:50:38,740 --> 01:50:43,180 Now, you might think she would see that as being pushed, 1598 01:50:43,180 --> 01:50:47,860 and he would see it as a complete accident. 1599 01:50:47,860 --> 01:50:53,180 You have no evidence to tell you what happened on the hill. 1600 01:50:53,180 --> 01:50:56,860 You don't have an eyewitness, you don't have forensic evidence, 1601 01:50:56,860 --> 01:51:00,460 you're just being asked to take a massive guess. 1602 01:51:06,340 --> 01:51:09,580 The last you saw of them was walking arm in arm, 1603 01:51:09,580 --> 01:51:11,500 and if you looked at the selfies that they took 1604 01:51:11,500 --> 01:51:14,540 on the top of Arthur's Seat, everything looks fine. 1605 01:51:16,700 --> 01:51:20,660 His wife - carrying his child - has just fallen from height. 1606 01:51:20,660 --> 01:51:25,660 You might think that the first thing he would do is call 999. 1607 01:51:25,660 --> 01:51:27,700 He never did that. 1608 01:51:27,700 --> 01:51:31,660 He had a phone and didn't call 999 - 1609 01:51:31,660 --> 01:51:34,460 as if you're going to judge a murder trial 1610 01:51:34,460 --> 01:51:36,700 on that piece of evidence alone. 1611 01:51:41,180 --> 01:51:45,580 The accused himself has not given evidence. 1612 01:51:45,580 --> 01:51:50,180 In this case, you have evidence of what he has said 1613 01:51:50,180 --> 01:51:52,540 on the 2nd and 3rd of September. 1614 01:51:52,540 --> 01:51:56,020 And you might think to yourself that is a better measure 1615 01:51:56,020 --> 01:52:00,340 of how to judge him than if he was stood in the witness box 1616 01:52:00,340 --> 01:52:02,700 19 months after it. 1617 01:52:02,700 --> 01:52:06,020 You are looking for the prosecution to prove him guilty. 1618 01:52:06,020 --> 01:52:08,220 He doesn't have to prove anything. 1619 01:52:12,220 --> 01:52:18,660 The Crown invites you to find it established beyond reasonable doubt 1620 01:52:18,660 --> 01:52:22,300 that she was murdered by Kashif Anwar, 1621 01:52:22,300 --> 01:52:26,180 and I suggest to you that the only just verdict in this case 1622 01:52:26,180 --> 01:52:29,100 would be one of guilty of murder. 1623 01:52:29,100 --> 01:52:30,140 Thank you very much. 1624 01:52:32,740 --> 01:52:37,500 If you have a doubt about his guilt, you must acquit him, 1625 01:52:37,500 --> 01:52:42,540 not because he deserves anything - he doesn't deserve anything - 1626 01:52:42,540 --> 01:52:46,460 not because the lady who died isn't deserving of sympathy - 1627 01:52:46,460 --> 01:52:49,380 she absolutely is. 1628 01:52:49,380 --> 01:52:52,500 It's a sad and sorry case, 1629 01:52:52,500 --> 01:52:58,260 but you have to decide the case on the evidence. 1630 01:52:58,260 --> 01:53:00,460 Thank you very much. 1631 01:53:03,820 --> 01:53:05,100 Now, members of the jury, 1632 01:53:05,100 --> 01:53:08,820 your decision is important for the Crown and for the accused, 1633 01:53:08,820 --> 01:53:13,220 so please give the case full and careful consideration. 1634 01:53:13,220 --> 01:53:16,500 I am asking you now to return to the jury room 1635 01:53:16,500 --> 01:53:18,140 and consider your verdict. 1636 01:53:23,940 --> 01:53:26,980 In Scotland, there are 15 members of the jury. 1637 01:53:26,980 --> 01:53:31,700 For guilty, there must be at least eight members who vote for guilty. 1638 01:53:31,700 --> 01:53:32,860 Court. 1639 01:53:32,860 --> 01:53:35,500 If there are not eight, then there will be an acquittal. 1640 01:53:38,540 --> 01:53:41,300 I...don't know any more than you know now. 1641 01:53:41,300 --> 01:53:43,780 I've had a jury come back in six minutes 1642 01:53:43,780 --> 01:53:48,380 and I've had a jury come back in nine days, so who knows? 1643 01:53:48,380 --> 01:53:51,420 Advocate Depute Alex Prentice KC reminded jurors 1644 01:53:51,420 --> 01:53:54,580 of evidence they'd heard of Anwar saying to Ms Javed, 1645 01:53:54,580 --> 01:53:56,940 "You're a disease in everyone's life. 1646 01:53:56,940 --> 01:53:59,700 "The sooner you're dead or out of my life, it'll be better." 1647 01:54:01,820 --> 01:54:04,740 The jury will resume their deliberations tomorrow morning. 1648 01:54:14,380 --> 01:54:17,140 It's in the hands of the jury now and, you know, 1649 01:54:17,140 --> 01:54:20,380 we know that this could really go either way. 1650 01:54:20,380 --> 01:54:23,740 And even though we feel the case is really strong, 1651 01:54:23,740 --> 01:54:26,980 Yasmin and the family do need to prepare for the worst. 1652 01:54:26,980 --> 01:54:28,940 DOOR BUZZES 1653 01:54:32,220 --> 01:54:34,620 SHE READS: "Today, we have not received the verdict 1654 01:54:34,620 --> 01:54:36,220 "we had hoped for. 1655 01:54:36,220 --> 01:54:39,460 "Fawziyah's perpetrator has been found not guilty, 1656 01:54:39,460 --> 01:54:44,060 "meaning his behaviour and abusive attitude will be allowed to continue 1657 01:54:44,060 --> 01:54:46,780 "and possibly cause others harm. 1658 01:54:46,780 --> 01:54:49,940 "Today's disappointing verdict will cause further distress 1659 01:54:49,940 --> 01:54:53,220 "and hurt to my family." 1660 01:54:53,220 --> 01:54:56,260 Yeah. I mean, I think there was a lot of compelling evidence 1661 01:54:56,260 --> 01:54:58,620 to prove what he did. Yeah, yeah. 1662 01:54:58,620 --> 01:55:00,980 And that's what you've got to hold on to. Yeah, yeah. 1663 01:55:03,620 --> 01:55:06,180 I'm just like, "I hope he doesn't get acquitted." 1664 01:55:10,020 --> 01:55:13,900 He's got to be punished. He can't do this to another family. 1665 01:55:15,740 --> 01:55:18,020 I can't have another family going through this. 1666 01:55:43,020 --> 01:55:44,620 This is the point when you think, 1667 01:55:44,620 --> 01:55:47,700 "I wonder if I should have led other things or not led things," 1668 01:55:47,700 --> 01:55:51,340 but I think overall I think there's enough material there for the jury 1669 01:55:51,340 --> 01:55:54,860 to convict if they want to do that. Yes. Anyway, we'll see. 1670 01:55:57,220 --> 01:55:59,860 Surely they can see this for what it is. 1671 01:55:59,860 --> 01:56:03,260 But I'm going to just have to accept whatever decision they come to. 1672 01:56:20,700 --> 01:56:24,060 In the High Court of Judiciary, in court number one, 1673 01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:29,140 His Majesty's Advocate against Kashif Anwar. This is a verdict. 1674 01:56:44,180 --> 01:56:45,260 Court. 1675 01:56:51,140 --> 01:56:54,740 I'm speaking to members of the public assembled here 1676 01:56:54,740 --> 01:56:56,340 to see the verdict. 1677 01:56:56,340 --> 01:57:00,820 This court demands that everybody respects 1678 01:57:00,820 --> 01:57:03,500 the jury's difficult responsibility 1679 01:57:03,500 --> 01:57:07,820 and does not cause any disorder in the court 1680 01:57:07,820 --> 01:57:09,300 when the verdict is announced. 1681 01:57:09,300 --> 01:57:12,460 Now, if anyone cannot control their emotions, 1682 01:57:12,460 --> 01:57:15,820 the police will remove you from the court. Thank you. 1683 01:57:29,780 --> 01:57:33,380 Members of the jury, would your spokesperson please stand? 1684 01:57:34,980 --> 01:57:37,740 Have the jury reached a verdict in this case? Yes. 1685 01:57:37,740 --> 01:57:39,300 What is the verdict of the jury 1686 01:57:39,300 --> 01:57:41,700 in respect of the accused, Kashif Anwar, 1687 01:57:41,700 --> 01:57:44,100 in respect of charge two on the indictment? 1688 01:57:44,100 --> 01:57:46,460 Guilty. Yes! Yes! 1689 01:57:46,460 --> 01:57:49,140 Are you making any deletions to the charge? No. 1690 01:57:49,140 --> 01:57:51,420 And is that unanimous or by majority? 1691 01:57:51,420 --> 01:57:52,180 By majority. 1692 01:57:58,780 --> 01:58:02,820 The jury, by majority, find the accused, Kashif Anwar, 1693 01:58:02,820 --> 01:58:05,980 guilty of charge two on the indictment as labeled. 1694 01:58:05,980 --> 01:58:06,940 Thank you. 1695 01:58:15,900 --> 01:58:17,300 Now, Mr Duguid? 1696 01:58:19,740 --> 01:58:22,540 Everyone in these proceedings would have a sympathy for 1697 01:58:22,540 --> 01:58:25,460 the family of the deceased 1698 01:58:25,460 --> 01:58:29,940 and indeed of course for what befell her on that night. 1699 01:58:29,940 --> 01:58:34,900 And that does extend to the accused himself. 1700 01:58:34,900 --> 01:58:38,060 He recognises how her family has been bereaved, 1701 01:58:38,060 --> 01:58:42,580 and how his own family also has been affected by what has happened. 1702 01:58:46,580 --> 01:58:48,420 Kashif Anwar, 1703 01:58:48,420 --> 01:58:52,460 you have been found guilty of murdering Fawziyah Javed, who was 1704 01:58:52,460 --> 01:58:55,860 a very special person, she was your pregnant wife, 1705 01:58:55,860 --> 01:58:58,580 and you also caused the death of her unborn child. 1706 01:58:58,580 --> 01:59:01,220 For murder, the punishment is fixed by law - 1707 01:59:01,220 --> 01:59:03,660 you will be sentenced to life imprisonment. 1708 01:59:03,660 --> 01:59:05,660 From the evidence led, 1709 01:59:05,660 --> 01:59:08,980 it seems that you sought out a secluded position at 1710 01:59:08,980 --> 01:59:12,660 the top of a cliff and waited until darkness fell, 1711 01:59:12,660 --> 01:59:16,540 and it seemed that no one else was around before you pushed your wife 1712 01:59:16,540 --> 01:59:20,300 off the edge. This was intentional murder. 1713 01:59:20,300 --> 01:59:22,220 You showed no remorse 1714 01:59:22,220 --> 01:59:25,260 and made no attempt to save her by calling 999. 1715 01:59:25,260 --> 01:59:27,700 You could have used her phone, which was working, 1716 01:59:27,700 --> 01:59:29,580 and which you retained. 1717 01:59:29,580 --> 01:59:31,940 The court must do what it can 1718 01:59:31,940 --> 01:59:34,340 to deter such lethal domestic violence 1719 01:59:34,340 --> 01:59:37,460 and impose appropriate punishment. 1720 01:59:37,460 --> 01:59:40,100 The punishment will be 20 years. 1721 01:59:40,100 --> 01:59:43,540 This does not mean that this is a sentence of 20 years. 1722 01:59:43,540 --> 01:59:46,380 You are sentenced to life imprisonment, 1723 01:59:46,380 --> 01:59:50,180 and you will serve at least 20 years before you can be considered 1724 01:59:50,180 --> 01:59:52,460 for release on parole. 1725 01:59:52,460 --> 01:59:53,780 That is all. 1726 02:00:01,940 --> 02:00:04,180 Silence, silence in the court! 1727 02:00:16,500 --> 02:00:18,700 You bastard, you've killed my niece. 1728 02:00:20,300 --> 02:00:22,140 I hope he suffers inside, 1729 02:00:22,140 --> 02:00:24,540 I really do. I hope they never let him out. 1730 02:00:30,580 --> 02:00:32,500 I'm sorry, members of the jury, 1731 02:00:32,500 --> 02:00:35,060 that you've...you've had to witness that. 1732 02:00:35,060 --> 02:00:36,660 But you will understand, 1733 02:00:36,660 --> 02:00:38,620 I don't want to keep you very long 1734 02:00:38,620 --> 02:00:40,980 because I can see that you are 1735 02:00:40,980 --> 02:00:43,700 upset at everything that's happened 1736 02:00:43,700 --> 02:00:46,460 and what you've been listening to and thinking about. 1737 02:00:46,460 --> 02:00:49,020 But I must thank you before you go, 1738 02:00:49,020 --> 02:00:52,540 for serving on the jury in this 1739 02:00:52,540 --> 02:00:56,140 pretty difficult trial and... 1740 02:01:01,460 --> 02:01:03,460 ..for the really admirable way 1741 02:01:03,460 --> 02:01:05,860 that you've performed your function as a jury. 1742 02:01:19,580 --> 02:01:21,660 Advocate Depute, Mr Duguid, 1743 02:01:21,660 --> 02:01:24,940 thank you both for the way the trial was conducted, 1744 02:01:24,940 --> 02:01:28,140 making a difficult trial no more difficult than it needed 1745 02:01:28,140 --> 02:01:31,060 o be. Very much appreciated. Thank you both. 1746 02:01:32,580 --> 02:01:34,100 Court. 1747 02:01:39,020 --> 02:01:43,340 All of us who are working in this system think that trial by jury 1748 02:01:43,340 --> 02:01:46,260 produces the correct result. 1749 02:01:46,260 --> 02:01:48,540 It's a process of justice 1750 02:01:48,540 --> 02:01:51,620 and I think justice does prevail. 1751 02:01:51,620 --> 02:01:53,900 Yeah, I think justice is done. 1752 02:02:23,420 --> 02:02:25,700 Thank you so much. 1753 02:02:25,700 --> 02:02:27,180 Thank you. 1754 02:02:27,180 --> 02:02:29,060 Well, there we are. 1755 02:02:29,060 --> 02:02:31,420 He's been found guilty of murder. 1756 02:02:31,420 --> 02:02:34,860 Please don't think he's got a 20 year sentence - he hasn't. 1757 02:02:34,860 --> 02:02:38,340 He's got a life sentence with a minimum of 20 years. 1758 02:02:38,340 --> 02:02:40,740 So, after 20 years, 1759 02:02:40,740 --> 02:02:44,660 he can begin the process of applying for parole. 1760 02:02:44,660 --> 02:02:46,500 He's got what he deserved, and Alex, 1761 02:02:46,500 --> 02:02:49,660 thank you, and if, Alex, if you ever come to Leeds, 1762 02:02:49,660 --> 02:02:52,580 please. Thank you so much. I'm heavily in debt to you, 1763 02:02:52,580 --> 02:02:55,020 honestly, me and my family. You know, 1764 02:02:55,020 --> 02:02:57,660 there's satisfaction of course with the verdict, 1765 02:02:57,660 --> 02:02:59,500 but it doesn't take away 1766 02:02:59,500 --> 02:03:02,020 the loss which you all continue to suffer. 1767 02:03:02,020 --> 02:03:03,980 Absolutely spot on summary. 1768 02:03:03,980 --> 02:03:08,500 Fawziyah collected a great deal of evidence which formed the pillar of 1769 02:03:08,500 --> 02:03:10,500 the prosecution case. 1770 02:03:10,500 --> 02:03:13,460 Alex, if Fawziyah didn't give accounts of her events, 1771 02:03:13,460 --> 02:03:15,820 was there the chance of proving this or not really? 1772 02:03:15,820 --> 02:03:17,660 It would have been very difficult. Yeah. 1773 02:03:17,660 --> 02:03:20,620 Yeah, see. It would have been difficult. Fawziyah, it was her. 1774 02:03:20,620 --> 02:03:24,420 The evidence of what Fawziyah said was crucial. 1775 02:03:24,420 --> 02:03:27,700 It was effectively Fawziyah speaking to the jury. 1776 02:03:39,260 --> 02:03:41,220 Whoa! 1777 02:03:41,220 --> 02:03:44,100 Whee! 1778 02:03:44,100 --> 02:03:47,820 She built this massive mountain of evidence, 1779 02:03:47,820 --> 02:03:52,300 culminating with giving a statement to the police on 1780 02:03:52,300 --> 02:03:55,340 the verge of her dying. 1781 02:03:55,340 --> 02:03:58,460 And the fact she was a lawyer with all 1782 02:03:58,460 --> 02:04:00,820 the legal training, 1783 02:04:00,820 --> 02:04:02,700 I do think that she must have thought about 1784 02:04:02,700 --> 02:04:04,260 leaving this evidence behind. 1785 02:04:08,220 --> 02:04:12,780 I remember feeling that she died 1786 02:04:12,780 --> 02:04:15,100 like a lawyer, that's what I thought. 1787 02:04:18,300 --> 02:04:21,860 So, yes, I shall catch you shortly, mi' old chum. 1788 02:04:39,420 --> 02:04:41,780 Oh, course he's behind bars, 1789 02:04:41,780 --> 02:04:45,380 but it makes no difference to my pain and grief. 1790 02:04:45,380 --> 02:04:49,100 I don't work anymore. I don't socialise with my friends, 1791 02:04:49,100 --> 02:04:53,500 you know, I don't have that life that I had before. 1792 02:04:53,500 --> 02:04:55,980 My husband's gone back to work three days a week. 1793 02:04:55,980 --> 02:04:58,380 It's a bit of a distraction for him. 1794 02:04:58,380 --> 02:05:01,900 But I know he's in pain and he's grieving. 1795 02:05:09,060 --> 02:05:12,980 It tears me apart that it's my sister's only daughter, 1796 02:05:12,980 --> 02:05:16,420 that's her heart, that's her everything. 1797 02:05:16,420 --> 02:05:18,500 She'd gave her daughter away to 1798 02:05:18,500 --> 02:05:21,260 a family who she thought she could trust. 1799 02:05:21,260 --> 02:05:23,540 They sent her home in...in a body bag. 1800 02:05:26,220 --> 02:05:29,660 When an innocent life has been snatched in such 1801 02:05:29,660 --> 02:05:34,780 a violent way, the victim is called Shahid Martyr, 1802 02:05:34,780 --> 02:05:39,140 so they have a huge welcome in the next world. 1803 02:05:39,140 --> 02:05:41,460 And I've conducted hundreds 1804 02:05:41,460 --> 02:05:44,220 and hundreds of wedding ceremonies, 1805 02:05:44,220 --> 02:05:47,220 and sometimes they don't work out. 1806 02:05:47,220 --> 02:05:51,980 But Islam provides us with a window to get divorced. 1807 02:05:51,980 --> 02:05:55,700 And this domestic violence has no place in Islam. 1808 02:05:55,700 --> 02:06:00,500 You know, there is no honour in taking the life of an individual. 1809 02:06:00,500 --> 02:06:02,540 The mosque is here to help you go 1810 02:06:02,540 --> 02:06:05,940 through this painful period in your lives. 1811 02:06:05,940 --> 02:06:09,020 Lord of the heavens and the earth, grant our sister, 1812 02:06:09,020 --> 02:06:12,540 Fawziyah Javed, one of the highest stations in paradise. 1813 02:06:12,540 --> 02:06:15,620 Make her amongst the martyrs on the day of judgement. 1814 02:06:24,740 --> 02:06:29,860 Nobody's immune to become a victim of domestic abuse. 1815 02:06:29,860 --> 02:06:31,860 I want to raise awareness. 1816 02:06:31,860 --> 02:06:36,180 I want something positive to come out of this tragedy. 1817 02:06:36,180 --> 02:06:38,380 APPLAUSE 1818 02:06:48,900 --> 02:06:53,220 Fawziyah was a beautiful soul, inside and out. 1819 02:06:53,220 --> 02:06:56,380 She was caring, she was outgoing, 1820 02:06:56,380 --> 02:06:59,020 she had a fantastic sense of humour. 1821 02:06:59,020 --> 02:07:01,540 She was the most perfect of human beings. 1822 02:07:03,820 --> 02:07:06,180 My message to you is 1823 02:07:06,180 --> 02:07:10,140 this can happen to anyone's daughter or sister. 1824 02:07:10,140 --> 02:07:12,820 I don't want another mother 1825 02:07:12,820 --> 02:07:15,500 to be stood here this time next year... 1826 02:07:18,900 --> 02:07:24,020 ..in pain and grief telling them what's happened to her daughter. 1827 02:07:28,060 --> 02:07:32,380 It's a privilege and an honour to 1828 02:07:32,380 --> 02:07:34,020 be Fawziyah's mother. 1829 02:07:35,300 --> 02:07:39,620 I will keep going to raise awareness. 1830 02:07:39,620 --> 02:07:40,900 And help others. 1831 02:07:43,900 --> 02:07:45,380 Fine, thank you. 1832 02:07:45,380 --> 02:07:48,060 APPLAUSE 1833 02:08:01,700 --> 02:08:03,900 Thank you, thank you. 145741

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