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WILLIAM SHATNER: A man-made lake
with a deadly reputation.
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A remote mountaintop summit
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with a chilling past.
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And an eerie hotel
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where evil...
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is said to reside.
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(woman screams)
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Did you ever have the feeling
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that a dark energy
is lurking close by?
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Or that you were
actually confronted
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by an unearthly presence?
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Could it be possible
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that sinister entities
are hiding all around us
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at so-called "cursed places,"
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lying in wait
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to possess our very soul?
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If this is true,
how can we protect ourselves
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when encountering evil?
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Well, that is what
we'll try and find out.
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Deep within this mountain range
lies Lake Lanier.
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Millions of people venture
to this popular vacation spot
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to relax and unwind,
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despite the fact
that every year,
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a shocking number
of people drown
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within its placid waters.
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And many of their bodies
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are never seen again.
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LISA RUSSELL:
If you live anywhere
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near Lake Lanier
in North Georgia,
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you're gonna hear every summer
all of the deaths.
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There are bad boating accidents.
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And when somebody
goes overboard,
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it's almost impossible
to find them before they drown.
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BUCK BUCHANAN:
Lake Lanier,
from the surface, looks clear.
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But we hear time and time again
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when we respond
to these drownings.
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People will say that, "He didn't
go into the water, come up,
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"struggle and drown.
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He went in
and never came back up."
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And this happens
time and time again.
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This lake seems to take people
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in one gulp.
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MITCH HOROWITZ:
Lake Lanier is 26 miles long,
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it has 700 miles of shorefront.
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And it's tempting
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to attribute the inordinate
number of fatalities
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to the size of the lake.
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But the fact is
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there are lakes
of commensurate size
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in Northern Georgia
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that don't have half that number
of fatalities or accidents.
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So, clearly, there is something
about Lake Lanier
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that is cause for alarm.
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SHATNER:
Since the 1950s,
it is estimated
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that more than 600 people have
lost their lives in Lake Lanier.
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It is such a staggering number
of fatalities
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that, for decades,
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many have come to believe
that these waters may be cursed.
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RUSSELL:
Even though
there's a lot of people around,
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there is just some strange vibe
about the lake.
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I feel
it's a majestic body of water,
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but you can't deny that there's
something odd about Lake Lanier.
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BUCHANAN:
When you actually get
into Lanier,
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you get a feeling
that you're not alone
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when you should be alone.
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I don't feel like
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someone's reaching out
to grab me,
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but the water feels thicker
than it should.
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And what I mean by that is
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a lady fell out of a boat,
and we actually witnessed it.
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And we ran over there
and pulled her out of the water
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and she was very upset and
she said, "I'm so embarrassed."
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And I said, "Don't worry.
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We see people do this
all the time."
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And she said,
"No, you don't understand.
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I'm a lifeguard."
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And she said just
when she found herself
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in that water,
it was just like molasses.
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So all the things
that we see in this lake,
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it finally got so bad
and scared the locals so much
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that we think maybe
we're just stuck with a curse
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we have to live with.
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SHATNER:
Could the numerous fatalities
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that have taken place
at Lake Lanier
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be the result of a curse?
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It may sound far-fetched
to some.
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But for decades,
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researchers have been examining
the possibility
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that Lake Lanier could be
harboring the power
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to inflict harm.
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And according
to their investigations,
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it may have something to do
with the history of Lake Lanier.
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JACK W. OCKER:
Lake Lanier is the largest lake
in Georgia.
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It's a man-made lake meant
to provide water and power
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to the surrounding communities.
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They actually made it
by flooding a valley
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that had a town in it--
Oscarville.
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So, they had to relocate
the people that lived there.
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Then they just drowned
the entire town under water.
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SHATNER:
Oscarville wasn't the only town
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that was affected
by the building of Lake Lanier.
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In the 1940s and '50s,
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the U.S. government
acquired the rights
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to more than 56,000 acres
of land
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in Forsyth, Hall
and Dawson counties
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to make room
for the 38,000-acre lake
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and more than 700 miles
of shoreline.
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This included
several small towns,
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and the remains
of these communities
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are still submerged
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beneath the surface
of Lake Lanier.
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BUCHANAN:
When they built the lake,
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they left tons
of structure in the water.
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We've got concrete,
roads, bridges.
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We've got a racetrack
under there, we've got
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standing timber
that stands as high as 40, 60,
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70 feet from the bottom.
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HOROWITZ:
There seems to be a great deal
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of debris in the water,
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so it's not an ideal place
for people
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to be swimming or boating
or Jet-Skiing or partying.
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The fact is
it's a dangerous place.
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SHATNER:
Authorities claim
that many people drown
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in Lake Lanier
because they get caught
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in the debris
lurking beneath its surface.
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But researchers
studying the lake believe
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this is only part of the story,
and that the source
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of the dark force drawing people
down into its murky depths
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is a Native American
burial ground
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that was submerged
by the lake's construction.
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Back in 2007,
there was a drought,
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and the water went way low,
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and because of that,
they found an area
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called the Summerour Mounds,
Indian Mounds.
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It's considered a sacred area
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that belonged
to the Native Americans,
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the Creeks and the Cherokees.
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Lake Lanier was built
by the Army Corps of Engineers,
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and according
to the Army Corps of Engineers,
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they removed all the bodies
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while they were creating
Lake Lanier.
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But back when
they were building these lakes,
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they didn't have
ground-penetrating equipment.
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So there's a great likelihood
that there are bodies
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of the Native Americans
under the waters of Lake Lanier.
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SHATNER:
Could the presence
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of Native American remains
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beneath Lake Lanier
have a connection
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to the unusual number
of accidental deaths there?
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Has the Native American belief
in the power
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of ancestral spirits
cursed Lake Lanier?
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TOK THOMPSON:
Certainly among
Native American traditions,
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we have a widespread belief
in curses,
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particularly land-based curses.
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And this connects to an overall
sort of belief in animism,
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that the material world is
infused with spiritual aspects.
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Now, many Native American
traditions have long-standing,
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very deep beliefs
about how to treat dead bodies,
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how not to disturb them,
how not to disturb burial sites.
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The desecration of those
is held in native communities
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to bring on a lot
of bad spiritual energy.
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SHATNER:
Is it possible
that Lake Lanier is home
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to dark spiritual energy?
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Perhaps.
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But what's most surprising
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is that even though
this lake may be cursed,
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people continue
to enter its waters every day.
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BUCHANAN:
There's world class divers
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that will not dive Lake Lanier.
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We have 11
to 14 million people a year
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that are coming here
and taking their chances
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in spite of the fact
that there has been somewhere
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between 600 and 700 drownings
on this lake.
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I'm not saying
that there's a curse,
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but I'm saying
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there's definitely
some bad energy.
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And if it's not cursed,
maybe it should be.
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SHATNER:
It's fascinating
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that in spite
of Lake Lanier's morbid history,
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vacationers continue
to frolic in its murky waters.
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But there's a mountaintop
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located more than 5,000 miles
away in Russia
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that locals simply refuse
to visit.
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It was the site
of a violent massacre
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that some believe was the work
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of evil forces.
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SHATNER:
Nine mountaineers
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from the Ural
Polytechnic Institute
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embark on a perilous journey
through Russia's Ural Mountains.
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Their destination:
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a remote mountain peak
known as Otorten,
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which in the local
Mansi language means,
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"Don't Go There."
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STONEHILL:
They went out
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on this very strenuous trek
or mission
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to show that the mountain
could be conquered.
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As far as we know,
they were all experienced.
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Igor Dyatlov,
who was in charge of the group,
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had about seven missions
to his name, similar missions.
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They were supposed just
to study the mountain
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to show that they can
withstand the incredible cold
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in this desolate place
and come back.
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SHATNER:
A few days into their trek,
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the hikers move
through a mountain pass
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with high winds
and poor visibility,
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causing them
to veer miles off course.
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Realizing their mistake
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and faced with the bitter cold
of the coming night,
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they choose to stop and camp
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on a slope called
Kholat Syakhal,
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which in Mansi translates
to "The Mountain of the Dead."
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(wind whistling)
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STONEHILL:
It's a very a windy area.
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When I say windy,
the winds are horrible.
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And they should not have
put the tent on that slope.
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They could have done it easily
100 meters away in the forest.
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They went against
all the knowledge
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that experienced trackers
should have.
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So why would
they put it out there?
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What drove them?
Nobody knows for sure.
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SHATNER:
Weeks later,
when it becomes clear
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that the group has failed
to return from its expedition,
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a military search and rescue
operation is launched.
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They find
the campsite abandoned,
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and a tent
that has been torn to pieces.
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Curiously,
the investigators determine
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that the tent was cut
and ripped open from the inside,
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and the hikers appear to have
fled in socks or barefoot.
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We're dealing with a group
of experienced hikers
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who escaped their tent
in the middle of the night
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without any reason
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unless something happened
to their minds.
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SHATNER:
In search of the hikers,
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the investigators move
to the edge of a nearby forest.
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What they eventually find
has defied explanation
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for more than 50 years.
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STONEHILL:
Four of them
were discovered initially,
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and five of them
were found later.
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And they all died differently.
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Some of the bodies died
from exposure and were intact.
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Some of them
were dressed completely.
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Most of them were naked,
so to say.
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Others had horrible wounds
on them.
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Their bones were crushed
inside their bodies.
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Others, their skull was crushed.
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One woman lost her tongue
and parts of her face.
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Others were burned,
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like somebody put their feet
in the fire
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or they put it themselves.
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-He's here!
-Aah!
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STONEHILL:
They escaped like some force,
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something scared them.
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SHATNER:
The official causes of death
for the hikers claimed
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that six had died
from hypothermia,
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and the other three
from fatal injuries caused
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by an "unknown
compelling force."
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But the inquiry was forced
to an abrupt end
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by the Soviet government,
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and the chief investigator
refused
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to sign off on the final report.
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STONEHILL:
There were two investigators
initially,
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and they were told
to shut up and close the case,
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with the determination
that the cause of death
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was an invisible force of nature
that killed them.
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NOORY:
In some cases, the fact
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that some of them died
from the bitter cold--
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okay, that makes sense.
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They're in a region
that's freezing.
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But what about the other people?
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Fractured skulls, crushed lungs.
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There's something weird here.
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SHATNER:
What was the compelling force
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that inflicted such brutal
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and grotesque harm
on these victims?
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While some have speculated
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that it could have been
an avalanche
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or even an attack
by Mansi tribes,
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there was virtually no evidence
to support these claims.
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Others point to local legends
of some kind of monster--
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a creature capable
of tearing people apart
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with its voice.
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STONEHILL:
There are descriptions
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of Mansi warning people
not to go to this mountain,
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not to go to this area
because the sounds
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that come from there
can kill you.
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The entity that lives
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in that mountain emits
horrible shrieking sounds...
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(eerie, otherworldly screaming)
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...that can destroy
human beings.
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(growling)
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SHATNER:
Recently,
a new theory has surfaced.
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One that suggests
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this mountain pass
may be just as deadly
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as the Mansi name
for it implies,
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not because
of some supernatural monster,
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but for a surprisingly
scientific reason.
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(wind whistling)
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So, this is a very windy pass
in the Ural Mountains.
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Uh, in 2014, there was
some study that was done
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that showed that the wind
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kind of whipping through,
because of the topography,
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caused low-frequency sound,
kind of a hum.
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(wind whistling,
eerie bellowing)
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And low-frequency sound can
cause the eyeball to vibrate,
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can cause people to see shadows
out of the corner of their eyes,
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especially
if you're in an environment
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that is desolate,
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which is what that was
to begin with.
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(eerie bellowing)
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MICHAEL DENNIN:
The dimensions
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and the physics
of the actual pass
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are likely to lead
to very low frequencies,
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which is exactly
what infrasound is.
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Infrasound is just referring
to any sound
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that's below our normal hearing.
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But sound itself
is just pressure waves
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and vibration of the air.
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(eerie bellowing)
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So your body
is still detecting it,
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your ears
are still reacting to it,
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your eardrums are moving,
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and that's still generating
electrical signals
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in your brain.
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So there is an impact
of the infrasound
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that we don't
fully understand yet.
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TRAVIS TAYLOR:
Being exposed to this sound--
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it's fatiguing your body.
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Any type of fatigue
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that's long-term can cause
significant psychosis.
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In fact, there were
several cases
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on the Mir space station
where the Russian cosmonauts
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were exposed
to various vibrations,
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and it caused them
to actually have psychosis.
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I have a friend
who worked on consoles for Mir,
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and he said that once,
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one of the cosmonauts
actually pulled a knife
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on one of the other cosmonauts
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because of this type
of exposure.
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STONEHILL:
It's not like a rock falling
on somebody's head.
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It's happening
inside their minds.
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An infrasound
is a powerful weapon,
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and apparently,
it's affecting those
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who are coming to the mountain.
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That's why
it is a hypothesis now
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that is being explored
more and more in Russia
347
00:16:17,083 --> 00:16:21,000
as to the cause of death
of the Dyatlov tourists.
348
00:16:21,167 --> 00:16:22,875
I don't subscribe to the theory
349
00:16:23,042 --> 00:16:26,167
that heavy winds
created an atmosphere
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where these people went nuts.
351
00:16:28,167 --> 00:16:30,667
I think there was
something else afoot,
352
00:16:30,833 --> 00:16:32,708
something very evil and strange
353
00:16:32,875 --> 00:16:34,500
that happened
to these nine hikers.
354
00:16:34,667 --> 00:16:36,333
And I hope
we get the answers to it.
355
00:16:36,542 --> 00:16:39,208
But again,
maybe we don't want the answer.
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Maybe because
it's so hideous and so evil,
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we don't want to know it.
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SHATNER:
While modern science may offer
a possible explanation
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00:16:50,875 --> 00:16:55,292
as to what caused the terrifying
event at the Dyatlov Pass,
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for many, the incident
can only be described
361
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as an invisible force of evil
that lurks on the mountaintop.
362
00:17:03,042 --> 00:17:06,333
And a similar sense of dread
surrounds a notorious landmark
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00:17:06,542 --> 00:17:11,000
in Los Angeles
that, for decades, was known...
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as the suicide hotel.
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SHATNER:
Numerous guests staying
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at the Cecil Hotel
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file complaints
about low water pressure.
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A maintenance worker
is dispatched
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to check the water tanks
located on the hotel's roof,
370
00:17:35,083 --> 00:17:37,708
where he makes
a shocking discovery.
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Floating face down
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00:17:40,542 --> 00:17:44,792
in one of the water tanks
is the decomposing body
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of 21-year-old hotel guest
Elisa Lam.
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00:17:51,583 --> 00:17:53,792
On the last day of 2012,
New Year's Eve,
375
00:17:53,958 --> 00:17:55,750
was the last time
she was seen alive.
376
00:17:57,542 --> 00:18:00,667
Elisa Lam was caught
by the camera in the elevator.
377
00:18:00,833 --> 00:18:03,500
And then she disappears.
378
00:18:03,583 --> 00:18:07,708
The LAPD-- they released a video
of Elisa Lam,
379
00:18:07,875 --> 00:18:10,125
and it's a really bizarre,
380
00:18:10,250 --> 00:18:12,583
bizarre video.
381
00:18:12,750 --> 00:18:18,250
She's seen going in and out
of an elevator.
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She seems to be interacting
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00:18:21,042 --> 00:18:24,167
or playing hide-and-seek
with someone.
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She's frantically, erratically
385
00:18:27,125 --> 00:18:30,333
pushing all the buttons
in the elevator.
386
00:18:30,542 --> 00:18:35,875
And then
she was found face down
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00:18:36,042 --> 00:18:39,083
inside a sealed water tank
388
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at the roof of the hotel.
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00:18:41,333 --> 00:18:42,667
(siren blaring)
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00:18:42,833 --> 00:18:45,167
SHATNER:
After conducting
an investigation,
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00:18:45,375 --> 00:18:47,958
the Los Angeles County Coroner
ruled
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00:18:48,125 --> 00:18:51,542
that Elisa Lam's death
was an accident.
393
00:18:52,542 --> 00:18:54,625
But the bizarre circumstances
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00:18:54,792 --> 00:18:57,625
surrounding her case
led some researchers to believe
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00:18:57,750 --> 00:19:01,167
that something more insidious
had taken place,
396
00:19:01,333 --> 00:19:04,500
and that Elisa Lam was
actually the latest victim
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00:19:04,708 --> 00:19:09,792
of a deadly curse
that plagues the Cecil Hotel.
398
00:19:11,250 --> 00:19:13,833
Since it first opened in 1924,
399
00:19:13,917 --> 00:19:16,500
an alarming number of people
have taken their lives
400
00:19:16,708 --> 00:19:19,958
while staying there,
earning it the nickname
401
00:19:20,083 --> 00:19:23,292
"suicide hotel."
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00:19:23,458 --> 00:19:24,875
HOROWITZ:
The Cecil Hotel
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00:19:25,042 --> 00:19:26,500
is a Beaux Arts structure.
404
00:19:26,708 --> 00:19:30,667
It was built in the style
of grand American hotels.
405
00:19:31,708 --> 00:19:33,750
Back in its day,
it was quite beautiful,
406
00:19:33,875 --> 00:19:37,500
with columns, marble floors,
an expansive lobby,
407
00:19:37,708 --> 00:19:40,917
and it was intended
to be a very high-class hotel
408
00:19:41,083 --> 00:19:43,292
for an upwardly-mobile
clientele.
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00:19:44,667 --> 00:19:47,167
BARTLETT:
All hotels have deaths in them,
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00:19:47,292 --> 00:19:49,875
but for some reason,
the Cecil Hotel
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seems to have far much more
than the average number.
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When I was doing my research,
I found 17 suicides
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00:19:56,750 --> 00:19:59,583
within the newspaper archives
that link to the hotel.
414
00:19:59,708 --> 00:20:01,542
And those are
just reported ones.
415
00:20:01,708 --> 00:20:03,125
Now, it doesn't sound
like a lot,
416
00:20:03,292 --> 00:20:05,208
but compared
to all the other hotels,
417
00:20:05,417 --> 00:20:09,375
I would find maybe one or two,
almost without exception.
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00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:12,042
So, it makes
this particular hotel stand out.
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EBNER:
The Cecil Hotel had only
been open a few short years.
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And the sheer number of suicides
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was already coming to a peak.
422
00:20:23,708 --> 00:20:27,792
W.K. Norton--
he poisoned himself in his room.
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00:20:29,292 --> 00:20:33,667
And Army medic
Sergeant Louis D. Borden--
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00:20:33,875 --> 00:20:36,167
he surgically slit
his own throat
425
00:20:36,292 --> 00:20:37,875
in the hotel room.
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00:20:38,042 --> 00:20:44,250
The list of unexplained deaths
goes on and on and on.
427
00:20:44,458 --> 00:20:46,667
And people were,
like, thinking, "Wow.
428
00:20:46,792 --> 00:20:50,208
"Could it be something
about the Cecil Hotel
429
00:20:50,417 --> 00:20:54,625
that triggered this
kind of insane behavior?"
430
00:20:54,750 --> 00:20:56,417
HOROWITZ:
There are certain places
431
00:20:56,542 --> 00:20:59,667
that seem
to attract an inordinate amount
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00:20:59,833 --> 00:21:01,667
of violent activity.
433
00:21:02,708 --> 00:21:05,292
It's very easy for us to talk
in terms of coincidence
434
00:21:05,417 --> 00:21:08,167
when we're discussing curses,
435
00:21:08,333 --> 00:21:10,250
but if people hear
436
00:21:10,375 --> 00:21:12,250
that there was
an act of violence,
437
00:21:12,417 --> 00:21:16,333
suicide at a certain place,
438
00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:19,708
that seems to spark something
in the human imagination,
439
00:21:19,875 --> 00:21:21,958
including
in the most negative sense.
440
00:21:22,083 --> 00:21:23,333
Hence, we have the phenomena
441
00:21:23,542 --> 00:21:28,083
of people being attracted
to certain spots.
442
00:21:29,125 --> 00:21:31,458
You might use the expression,
"I don't like the energy
443
00:21:31,625 --> 00:21:33,167
coming off of that place."
444
00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:35,333
We use it metaphorically,
although,
445
00:21:35,542 --> 00:21:37,333
there may be something actual
to it.
446
00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:40,792
SHATNER:
What is it about certain places,
447
00:21:40,958 --> 00:21:42,750
such as the Cecil Hotel,
448
00:21:42,958 --> 00:21:46,083
that causes people
to harm themselves or others?
449
00:21:47,208 --> 00:21:49,833
Could they really be cursed?
450
00:21:50,875 --> 00:21:54,000
Some researchers claim
that if there is a dark energy
451
00:21:54,125 --> 00:21:55,917
at the Cecil Hotel,
452
00:21:56,042 --> 00:21:59,375
it may have already existed
at this site
453
00:21:59,583 --> 00:22:01,958
long before the hotel was built.
454
00:22:03,708 --> 00:22:05,167
Another interesting aspect
of curses
455
00:22:05,292 --> 00:22:06,875
and cursed places
particularly is
456
00:22:07,042 --> 00:22:11,458
that there's always a reason
of why this became cursed.
457
00:22:12,417 --> 00:22:15,083
So, for example, in L.A.,
458
00:22:15,208 --> 00:22:16,833
this has been
a very contentious area
459
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,583
for a long time, ever since
the initial colonization.
460
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:20,875
(gunshot)
461
00:22:21,042 --> 00:22:22,500
So, the local tribe,
462
00:22:22,708 --> 00:22:25,000
the Tongva tribe,
suffered greatly.
463
00:22:25,208 --> 00:22:27,292
(yelling)
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00:22:27,417 --> 00:22:30,000
They were pretty much
massacred at the hands
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00:22:30,167 --> 00:22:32,625
of the Spanish colonists
who arrived in this area.
466
00:22:33,875 --> 00:22:35,667
Or later, in 1871,
467
00:22:35,875 --> 00:22:37,958
where they have
the Chinatown massacre,
468
00:22:38,042 --> 00:22:40,583
where this was
an ethnic-driven violence
469
00:22:40,750 --> 00:22:43,000
perpetrated against
the Chinese community in L.A.
470
00:22:43,208 --> 00:22:45,792
that had been established here,
471
00:22:45,917 --> 00:22:47,833
and it was horrific.
472
00:22:48,042 --> 00:22:50,292
The idea is
that there's a... a curse
473
00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:52,833
on this area
that reflects these atrocities,
474
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,833
and that the curse
is not gonna be lifted
475
00:22:56,042 --> 00:22:59,083
as long as those atrocities
are not accounted for.
476
00:23:00,125 --> 00:23:02,208
SHATNER:
Is it possible
that the dark history
477
00:23:02,375 --> 00:23:04,417
of the Cecil Hotel was caused
478
00:23:04,583 --> 00:23:07,625
by a violent energy
permeating the area?
479
00:23:08,542 --> 00:23:10,625
True or not,
480
00:23:10,792 --> 00:23:14,000
the Cecil Hotel nevertheless
closed its doors
481
00:23:14,167 --> 00:23:20,792
in 2017 as a result
of its sinister reputation.
482
00:23:20,958 --> 00:23:23,125
A lot of people, of course,
roll their eyes
483
00:23:23,292 --> 00:23:24,875
at the idea of a curse.
484
00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:28,417
But if you gave a person
the option
485
00:23:28,583 --> 00:23:30,667
of spending a night alone
486
00:23:30,792 --> 00:23:33,500
in a place that was rumored
to be cursed, like the Cecil,
487
00:23:33,708 --> 00:23:37,250
most of the people who roll
their eyes would probably pause,
488
00:23:37,417 --> 00:23:40,833
given such a macabre history.
489
00:23:42,333 --> 00:23:44,583
Was the Cecil Hotel home
490
00:23:44,708 --> 00:23:48,458
to dark forces
beyond our comprehension?
491
00:23:48,625 --> 00:23:51,167
Given the numerous deaths
on the property,
492
00:23:51,333 --> 00:23:53,208
it certainly seems possible.
493
00:23:53,375 --> 00:23:56,250
But perhaps
what's even more frightening
494
00:23:56,375 --> 00:24:00,042
than a cursed location
is the possibility
495
00:24:00,167 --> 00:24:02,917
of coming face to face
with pure evil,
496
00:24:03,042 --> 00:24:07,750
like in the case of renowned
blues musician Robert Johnson,
497
00:24:07,875 --> 00:24:10,625
who, according to legend,
498
00:24:10,792 --> 00:24:13,042
received a deadly gift
499
00:24:13,208 --> 00:24:16,000
from the devil himself.
500
00:24:19,833 --> 00:24:22,208
♪ ♪
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SHATNER:
This small town,
502
00:24:26,292 --> 00:24:29,333
located within an area known
as the Mississippi Delta,
503
00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:33,042
has been called
the birthplace of the blues.
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00:24:34,417 --> 00:24:35,667
FISHOF:
Delta blues music
505
00:24:35,875 --> 00:24:38,458
basically started
in the early '20s,
506
00:24:38,625 --> 00:24:40,458
and it came from Mississippi.
507
00:24:40,625 --> 00:24:43,083
And it was
African American musicians
508
00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:44,875
who sang very soulfully...
509
00:24:45,042 --> 00:24:46,500
(guitar playing)
510
00:24:46,708 --> 00:24:49,000
...very fiercely
with their guitars,
511
00:24:49,208 --> 00:24:50,417
with their harmonicas.
512
00:24:50,625 --> 00:24:51,833
And it wasn't usually
a whole band.
513
00:24:51,917 --> 00:24:54,250
It was usually
an individual person.
514
00:24:56,875 --> 00:24:59,375
SHATNER: Of all the blues
musicians to play in Clarksdale
515
00:24:59,542 --> 00:25:02,500
during the 1920s and '30s,
516
00:25:02,708 --> 00:25:05,750
one of the most influential
was a guitarist, singer
517
00:25:05,917 --> 00:25:09,542
and songwriter
named Robert Johnson.
518
00:25:09,708 --> 00:25:10,708
SYLVESTER HOOVER:
Robert Johnson,
519
00:25:10,875 --> 00:25:12,625
before he got really famous,
520
00:25:12,792 --> 00:25:16,000
he would go down on the corner
and play his blues music.
521
00:25:16,167 --> 00:25:19,042
But early on
in Robert Johnson's career,
522
00:25:19,208 --> 00:25:20,667
he wasn't that good.
523
00:25:21,917 --> 00:25:24,167
And the Delta people
would tell Robert Johnson,
524
00:25:24,333 --> 00:25:26,750
"You go to the cemetery
and play,
525
00:25:26,917 --> 00:25:28,833
"and you would have
a big audience
526
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,208
and nobody would complain
how bad you play your music."
527
00:25:33,375 --> 00:25:35,750
(playing guitar slowly)
528
00:25:35,917 --> 00:25:38,292
FISHOF:
Robert Johnson,
in his early part of his career,
529
00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:41,250
was an okay harmonica player,
530
00:25:41,458 --> 00:25:43,875
not a great guitar player.
531
00:25:44,042 --> 00:25:47,083
He just basically thrown out
of places
532
00:25:47,208 --> 00:25:50,833
because he really wasn't
considered very good.
533
00:25:51,875 --> 00:25:54,292
ANTHONY SHERROD:
He really wasn't good at all,
534
00:25:54,458 --> 00:25:56,250
but he kept on...
535
00:25:56,375 --> 00:25:58,000
wanting to do it,
536
00:25:58,167 --> 00:26:00,958
to show people
that he had potential.
537
00:26:02,708 --> 00:26:04,000
SHATNER:
When faced with the prospect
538
00:26:04,167 --> 00:26:06,667
of having
his musical ambitions thwarted,
539
00:26:06,833 --> 00:26:08,667
according to legend,
540
00:26:08,875 --> 00:26:12,042
Robert Johnson chose to enlist
the help of a higher power--
541
00:26:12,167 --> 00:26:14,417
by making a deal
542
00:26:14,583 --> 00:26:16,083
with the Devil.
543
00:26:18,375 --> 00:26:19,875
(insects trilling)
544
00:26:20,042 --> 00:26:22,500
HOOVER:
Peoples in the Delta would say,
545
00:26:22,708 --> 00:26:26,708
if you play blues at midnight
at the crossroads,
546
00:26:26,875 --> 00:26:29,125
you gonna meet
a lot of strange peoples.
547
00:26:29,292 --> 00:26:33,917
And you might meet Satan himself
at the crossroad.
548
00:26:36,125 --> 00:26:38,250
And so Robert Johnson
went to the crossroad
549
00:26:38,417 --> 00:26:39,875
that Saturday night.
550
00:26:40,833 --> 00:26:42,792
He really went
to the crossroads,
551
00:26:42,958 --> 00:26:45,125
gave his guitar to the Devil.
552
00:26:47,417 --> 00:26:51,375
The Devil strummed it a few
times and gave it back to him.
553
00:26:51,583 --> 00:26:55,000
And from that moment on,
he sold his soul to the Devil
554
00:26:55,208 --> 00:26:59,292
and became an amazing
guitar player overnight.
555
00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:02,208
And that's how the legend goes.
556
00:27:06,958 --> 00:27:10,292
He came back maybe two and
a half or three hours later.
557
00:27:10,458 --> 00:27:11,667
(playing guitar skillfully)
558
00:27:11,833 --> 00:27:13,917
And so this guy
was a different person.
559
00:27:14,125 --> 00:27:16,583
After he left the crossroad,
560
00:27:16,750 --> 00:27:20,208
he was doing stuff
that he couldn't do before.
561
00:27:20,375 --> 00:27:21,625
Whatever he did,
562
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:23,167
he never was the same again.
563
00:27:23,292 --> 00:27:25,833
Honeyboy said
he could play so great,
564
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,833
people would come
from here and yonder
565
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,833
to hear this guy play his music.
566
00:27:31,042 --> 00:27:33,875
This guy seemed
like he had a magnet
567
00:27:34,042 --> 00:27:36,083
after he left the crossroad.
568
00:27:37,125 --> 00:27:40,167
FISHOF:
From that point on, he became
an amazing guitar player.
569
00:27:40,375 --> 00:27:43,958
It was just a lot different,
what any musician could do.
570
00:27:44,125 --> 00:27:48,250
Robert Johnson's legacy
will live for many, many years.
571
00:27:48,417 --> 00:27:51,750
You cannot listen to a song
from the Beatles,
572
00:27:51,875 --> 00:27:53,667
Eric Clapton,
573
00:27:53,833 --> 00:27:56,333
Led Zeppelin
or from the Rolling Stones
574
00:27:56,500 --> 00:28:00,125
without giving credit
to Robert Johnson's style
575
00:28:00,292 --> 00:28:02,458
that many
of these musicians copied.
576
00:28:02,625 --> 00:28:04,208
And even Keith Richards said
577
00:28:04,375 --> 00:28:07,833
he could play the guitar
like three musicians together.
578
00:28:07,958 --> 00:28:09,333
He had that ability.
579
00:28:09,542 --> 00:28:11,833
(playing bluesy guitar)
580
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,500
SHATNER:
Today, Robert Johnson
is widely considered
581
00:28:14,708 --> 00:28:17,833
to be one of the greatest
blues performers of all time.
582
00:28:18,042 --> 00:28:21,625
And his songs are among
the most influential recordings
583
00:28:21,792 --> 00:28:23,875
in the history of popular music.
584
00:28:25,250 --> 00:28:28,917
But there are many who point
to the lyrics of his songs
585
00:28:29,042 --> 00:28:32,917
as evidence that he really did
make a pact with Satan
586
00:28:33,083 --> 00:28:35,292
in order to achieve greatness.
587
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:37,542
FISHOF:
Robert Johnson,
588
00:28:37,708 --> 00:28:39,042
in his music,
589
00:28:39,208 --> 00:28:41,667
refers to the Devil
basically by saying,
590
00:28:41,875 --> 00:28:44,458
"I went to the crossroads
and fell on my knees."
591
00:28:44,625 --> 00:28:47,458
And he asked the Lord for mercy.
592
00:28:49,292 --> 00:28:52,000
BROCK:
If you believe that the Devil
is ever-present,
593
00:28:52,167 --> 00:28:54,625
that you can encounter him
on the crossroads,
594
00:28:54,792 --> 00:28:58,958
then that's a really critical
idea in forming this notion
595
00:28:59,042 --> 00:29:01,625
of the Faustian bargain,
the deal with the Devil.
596
00:29:01,792 --> 00:29:03,917
This promise of their souls
597
00:29:04,042 --> 00:29:06,167
in exchange
for something else from Satan.
598
00:29:07,875 --> 00:29:11,792
This is key
to the fear of the Devil.
599
00:29:11,917 --> 00:29:14,667
That Satan could be so knowing,
600
00:29:14,875 --> 00:29:16,917
so ubiquitous, so powerful
601
00:29:17,042 --> 00:29:19,208
that he could know
your secret wants
602
00:29:19,375 --> 00:29:21,583
and he could offer
something to you
603
00:29:21,708 --> 00:29:23,417
and you might be willing
to take it,
604
00:29:23,583 --> 00:29:25,083
depending on your circumstance.
605
00:29:26,667 --> 00:29:30,125
SHATNER:
Did Robert Johnson
sell his soul to the Devil?
606
00:29:30,250 --> 00:29:32,500
It's a question
that is hard to answer.
607
00:29:32,708 --> 00:29:37,750
But the mysterious circumstances
surrounding his death in 1938
608
00:29:37,917 --> 00:29:41,083
have helped perpetuate the myth.
609
00:29:42,083 --> 00:29:46,083
FISHOF:
Robert Johnson's death
is basically a mystery.
610
00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:48,000
Many say that
611
00:29:48,167 --> 00:29:50,333
he met up with a jealous husband
612
00:29:50,542 --> 00:29:52,000
after flirting with his wife,
613
00:29:52,208 --> 00:29:55,708
and the husband gave him
a bottle of whiskey
614
00:29:55,875 --> 00:29:58,000
that was filled with poison.
615
00:30:00,292 --> 00:30:02,833
There's many other theories
of how he passed away.
616
00:30:02,958 --> 00:30:06,333
But many people say he just died
617
00:30:06,417 --> 00:30:09,958
and maybe it was time
for the Devil to take his soul.
618
00:30:10,125 --> 00:30:13,083
HOOVER:
That mystery, it throws
a monkey wrench in it,
619
00:30:13,250 --> 00:30:14,625
and some people
gonna believe this,
620
00:30:14,792 --> 00:30:16,208
some people gonna believe that.
621
00:30:16,333 --> 00:30:19,208
Ain't nobody know
the full story of this guy,
622
00:30:19,375 --> 00:30:23,667
because that's the way
he portrayed himself,
623
00:30:23,833 --> 00:30:24,792
you know? Seeing...
624
00:30:24,958 --> 00:30:26,000
And that's just the way it is.
625
00:30:26,208 --> 00:30:28,125
The mystery of the crossroad.
626
00:30:28,292 --> 00:30:30,292
♪ ♪
627
00:30:32,958 --> 00:30:34,875
SHATNER:
Is the tale of Robert Johnson
628
00:30:35,042 --> 00:30:36,750
meeting the Devil
at the crossroads
629
00:30:36,917 --> 00:30:40,000
merely a piece
of intriguing folklore?
630
00:30:40,208 --> 00:30:43,042
Or does the story suggest
631
00:30:43,208 --> 00:30:45,125
that evil is lurking nearby?
632
00:30:45,292 --> 00:30:47,250
Perhaps some clues can be found
633
00:30:47,417 --> 00:30:51,333
by examining a harrowing
condition that is referred to
634
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:54,458
as demonic possession.
635
00:31:02,167 --> 00:31:04,167
SHATNER:
Father Michael Maginot,
636
00:31:04,333 --> 00:31:07,500
the pastor of St. Stephen Martyr
Catholic Church,
637
00:31:07,708 --> 00:31:10,833
meets with Latoya Ammons
in her home.
638
00:31:11,042 --> 00:31:14,500
But this is not
a common pastoral house call.
639
00:31:14,667 --> 00:31:17,708
Because Father Mike, as he is
known by his parishioners,
640
00:31:17,875 --> 00:31:20,667
is also an exorcist,
641
00:31:20,833 --> 00:31:25,542
and he has been asked
to rid this home
642
00:31:25,708 --> 00:31:26,958
of a demon.
643
00:31:28,375 --> 00:31:32,833
Latoya moved into
this particular house in Gary
644
00:31:33,042 --> 00:31:36,083
in November of 2011.
645
00:31:37,125 --> 00:31:39,708
She was the mother
of three children.
646
00:31:39,917 --> 00:31:42,375
And once the family moved in,
647
00:31:42,542 --> 00:31:44,792
they were noticing
all kinds of phenomena
648
00:31:44,958 --> 00:31:46,625
happening in the house.
649
00:31:48,375 --> 00:31:52,083
Flies were swarming
in the middle of winter.
650
00:31:54,292 --> 00:31:56,667
They would hear noises
through the house.
651
00:31:56,833 --> 00:31:58,833
(creaking)
652
00:31:59,042 --> 00:32:02,625
Footsteps coming up the stairs
from the basement.
653
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,875
They would see shadow figures
654
00:32:06,042 --> 00:32:07,917
pacing back and forth
in the living room
655
00:32:08,042 --> 00:32:09,792
and turn on the light
656
00:32:09,958 --> 00:32:15,083
and see muddy footprints
left on the floor.
657
00:32:16,208 --> 00:32:18,083
Her children, uh,
658
00:32:18,250 --> 00:32:21,167
were also exhibiting
some really odd behavior.
659
00:32:22,292 --> 00:32:26,167
One of the boys was seen
talking to an imaginary friend
660
00:32:26,375 --> 00:32:29,125
that resided somewhere
within the house.
661
00:32:30,417 --> 00:32:32,500
And reports also suggest
that the daughter
662
00:32:32,708 --> 00:32:36,167
was seen levitating several feet
above her bed at night.
663
00:32:39,167 --> 00:32:42,250
MAGINOT:
And so Latoya was convinced
664
00:32:42,458 --> 00:32:46,250
something beyond explanation
was happening to her family.
665
00:32:46,417 --> 00:32:48,375
But no one
would really believe her.
666
00:32:49,542 --> 00:32:50,750
During that time,
667
00:32:50,875 --> 00:32:52,583
the children--
they were getting sick.
668
00:32:52,750 --> 00:32:56,500
And then child protective
services were getting reports
669
00:32:56,667 --> 00:32:58,583
that they were missing
a lot of school.
670
00:32:58,750 --> 00:33:03,125
So they actually were
investigating Latoya.
671
00:33:03,208 --> 00:33:05,000
-(crying)
-She was saying
672
00:33:05,167 --> 00:33:07,625
that it was demonic possession.
673
00:33:07,792 --> 00:33:11,167
And so they were giving her
psychiatric examinations.
674
00:33:11,333 --> 00:33:16,292
But they couldn't find any
psychological illness with her.
675
00:33:16,458 --> 00:33:18,750
SHATNER:
Not only did the authorities
fail to find
676
00:33:18,875 --> 00:33:22,083
any trace of mental illness
in Latoya's behavior
677
00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:26,167
or any inconsistencies
in her story,
678
00:33:26,375 --> 00:33:29,292
they also witnessed an event
involving her son
679
00:33:29,458 --> 00:33:31,833
that made them realize
that something
680
00:33:31,958 --> 00:33:33,958
really was happening
to this family.
681
00:33:34,167 --> 00:33:37,083
Something unexplained.
682
00:33:38,125 --> 00:33:40,750
During the family's
psychiatric evaluations,
683
00:33:40,958 --> 00:33:42,958
the youngest child
684
00:33:43,125 --> 00:33:46,083
began rolling eyes
in the back of his head,
685
00:33:46,208 --> 00:33:47,833
growling.
686
00:33:49,292 --> 00:33:51,167
And then the case worker
687
00:33:51,333 --> 00:33:53,667
as well as several members
of hospital staff
688
00:33:53,833 --> 00:33:57,083
witnessed the boy
walk backwards up a wall.
689
00:34:00,542 --> 00:34:04,042
MAGINOT:
When they witnessed the boy
walk up the wall backwards,
690
00:34:04,208 --> 00:34:05,375
yeah, they were believers.
691
00:34:05,542 --> 00:34:08,500
They knew there was
no explanation for that.
692
00:34:09,542 --> 00:34:12,667
And so I got called
to investigate this case
693
00:34:12,750 --> 00:34:14,917
by the hospital chaplain.
694
00:34:15,125 --> 00:34:17,667
And I went to visit Latoya.
695
00:34:17,833 --> 00:34:19,333
It was a four-hour interview.
696
00:34:19,458 --> 00:34:21,333
And it was in the midst of that
697
00:34:21,458 --> 00:34:26,625
that I placed the crucifix
on her forehead,
698
00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:29,458
and she began to convulse.
699
00:34:29,625 --> 00:34:32,000
Then I took it off,
and she stopped convulsing.
700
00:34:32,208 --> 00:34:35,250
And that's one
of the main things
701
00:34:35,375 --> 00:34:39,292
that fits the signs
of demonic possession.
702
00:34:39,417 --> 00:34:43,583
After considering the evidence,
I was convinced
703
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:45,375
that the only way
to get rid of it
704
00:34:45,542 --> 00:34:48,458
was a church-sanctioned
exorcism.
705
00:34:48,625 --> 00:34:52,708
And so, I reported that
to the bishop,
706
00:34:52,875 --> 00:34:54,375
and he gave permission.
707
00:34:55,708 --> 00:34:59,667
An exorcism is a ritual,
a spiritual battle.
708
00:34:59,833 --> 00:35:04,167
And so, you need
to somehow upset the demon.
709
00:35:04,333 --> 00:35:06,333
One of the instruments
710
00:35:06,417 --> 00:35:08,667
that I would use
would be a blessed crucifix
711
00:35:08,875 --> 00:35:11,208
to put on the person's forehead.
712
00:35:11,375 --> 00:35:15,208
A second thing
is sprinkling holy water.
713
00:35:15,375 --> 00:35:19,042
There are three sections
of the rite
714
00:35:19,167 --> 00:35:21,042
where you're addressing
the demon,
715
00:35:21,208 --> 00:35:23,875
and a second place
where you're addressing God.
716
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,042
And you can do it in English
717
00:35:26,208 --> 00:35:28,125
or else
you could also do it in Latin.
718
00:35:28,333 --> 00:35:31,125
In Latoya's case,
719
00:35:31,333 --> 00:35:33,125
when we were addressing
a demon in Latin,
720
00:35:33,333 --> 00:35:35,708
Latoya would be convulsing,
721
00:35:35,875 --> 00:35:39,250
but when we were addressing God,
she would stop convulsing.
722
00:35:39,417 --> 00:35:41,458
I'm the only one there
that knew the Latin,
723
00:35:41,625 --> 00:35:44,083
and... and I found that
kind of amazing.
724
00:35:44,250 --> 00:35:47,000
A demonic entity will fight
725
00:35:47,167 --> 00:35:51,250
for the territory
that they have gained,
726
00:35:51,417 --> 00:35:54,375
but then, eventually,
it starts to lessen.
727
00:35:54,542 --> 00:35:57,458
With Latoya, finally,
she fell asleep,
728
00:35:57,667 --> 00:36:01,792
and that was kind of
an indication that it left.
729
00:36:01,958 --> 00:36:04,458
Once she got cleared, um,
730
00:36:04,625 --> 00:36:08,333
then the children were
also fine after that, as well.
731
00:36:09,708 --> 00:36:12,542
SHATNER:
What saved Latoya Ammons
and her children
732
00:36:12,708 --> 00:36:16,083
from their deep physical
and emotional torment?
733
00:36:16,292 --> 00:36:18,750
Was it really
the spiritual power
734
00:36:18,917 --> 00:36:21,958
of the ritual
that Father Michael performed?
735
00:36:22,125 --> 00:36:26,000
Or was it the psychological
or psychosomatic effect
736
00:36:26,167 --> 00:36:28,167
that simply performing a ritual
737
00:36:28,333 --> 00:36:31,583
had on Latoya and her family?
738
00:36:31,792 --> 00:36:33,458
Latoya's case
is really interesting
739
00:36:33,625 --> 00:36:35,500
because it's a case that
actually made national news.
740
00:36:35,667 --> 00:36:38,542
Herself and her children
were exhibiting symptoms
741
00:36:38,708 --> 00:36:41,125
that could not
be explained rationally
742
00:36:41,292 --> 00:36:42,708
by modern medical science.
743
00:36:42,875 --> 00:36:45,708
But in the end,
after all of their attempts,
744
00:36:45,875 --> 00:36:47,542
it was the exorcism itself
745
00:36:47,708 --> 00:36:49,667
that actually produced
the positive effect.
746
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:52,500
We have evidence
of exorcism rituals
747
00:36:52,667 --> 00:36:56,500
dating back 3,000 years ago
in ancient Babylon.
748
00:36:56,667 --> 00:36:58,042
(groaning)
749
00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:59,958
To those that say that exorcism
750
00:37:00,125 --> 00:37:02,708
shouldn't exist
in modern society,
751
00:37:02,875 --> 00:37:06,875
they really need to appreciate
just how successful
752
00:37:07,083 --> 00:37:09,000
exorcism can be as a ritual,
753
00:37:09,208 --> 00:37:11,292
how it's able to help people.
754
00:37:11,458 --> 00:37:14,292
ARIEL BAR TZADOK:
Exorcisms are not just performed
by one religion or another.
755
00:37:14,458 --> 00:37:17,167
They're performed
by all the different religions.
756
00:37:17,292 --> 00:37:18,833
It happens everywhere,
757
00:37:19,042 --> 00:37:22,583
because we're dealing with
a commonality of human souls.
758
00:37:22,750 --> 00:37:27,000
We recognize that
the nature of a possession
759
00:37:27,125 --> 00:37:29,708
is an earthbound soul
760
00:37:29,833 --> 00:37:34,208
which is unable to
or afraid to move forward
761
00:37:34,417 --> 00:37:36,417
in its spiritual progression.
762
00:37:37,375 --> 00:37:39,875
And we perform rituals,
763
00:37:40,042 --> 00:37:42,083
because the nature of ritual
764
00:37:42,208 --> 00:37:44,500
is being an expression
765
00:37:44,583 --> 00:37:47,708
of inner psychological ideas
and beliefs.
766
00:37:47,875 --> 00:37:50,375
And therefore, as such,
767
00:37:50,542 --> 00:37:55,000
exorcisms become
required practice.
768
00:37:55,167 --> 00:37:56,625
(screaming)
769
00:37:56,833 --> 00:37:59,875
SHATNER: Can the ancient
practice of exorcism
770
00:38:00,042 --> 00:38:02,958
actually purge demonic entities
from the human body,
771
00:38:03,083 --> 00:38:07,125
as cultures around the world
have believed for centuries?
772
00:38:07,292 --> 00:38:09,042
It's an intriguing possibility.
773
00:38:09,208 --> 00:38:12,458
But some people argue
that the best way to fight evil
774
00:38:12,625 --> 00:38:14,000
is not by performing rituals
775
00:38:14,208 --> 00:38:17,000
but rather by harnessing
776
00:38:17,167 --> 00:38:21,458
the cleansing power of fire.
777
00:38:33,667 --> 00:38:37,083
SHATNER: Members of a church
group set two houses on fire
778
00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:39,167
and burn them to the ground.
779
00:38:39,292 --> 00:38:42,958
The blaze is intended to purge
the village of evil spirits
780
00:38:43,125 --> 00:38:44,292
believed
to have been responsible
781
00:38:44,458 --> 00:38:46,375
for the recent deaths
of 20 people.
782
00:38:50,333 --> 00:38:51,917
These houses were older houses,
783
00:38:52,042 --> 00:38:54,375
but they had been
traditionally associated
784
00:38:54,542 --> 00:38:56,333
with magical practices
785
00:38:56,542 --> 00:38:59,833
and the reports
of witchcraft being practiced.
786
00:38:59,958 --> 00:39:02,833
WHITEHEAD:
And as they burnt the places
down to the ground,
787
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,167
some of the villagers
reported seeing a demon
788
00:39:05,375 --> 00:39:07,875
come out of the ashes.
789
00:39:08,083 --> 00:39:10,500
And they've reported all kinds
of really creepy things
790
00:39:10,625 --> 00:39:13,167
that happened once they tried
to burn down those houses.
791
00:39:13,375 --> 00:39:16,417
So the question is,
were they successful
792
00:39:16,542 --> 00:39:18,458
in getting rid of evil
in that place?
793
00:39:18,625 --> 00:39:22,458
Or did they actually
just aggravate it more
794
00:39:22,625 --> 00:39:24,875
by burning those houses
to the ground?
795
00:39:27,125 --> 00:39:32,000
THOMPSON:
Fire is a very common means
of spiritual purification.
796
00:39:32,125 --> 00:39:34,000
And so many different traditions
797
00:39:34,125 --> 00:39:36,542
incorporate fire in some sense,
798
00:39:36,708 --> 00:39:41,500
very often
for its destructive properties
799
00:39:41,667 --> 00:39:45,083
and yet, at the same time,
cleansing properties.
800
00:39:45,250 --> 00:39:46,417
When we're talking about places
801
00:39:46,583 --> 00:39:48,000
that seem to have negativity
to them,
802
00:39:48,125 --> 00:39:50,167
many cultures have rituals--
803
00:39:50,375 --> 00:39:51,667
whether it's burning
804
00:39:51,792 --> 00:39:53,208
or other types of ways
805
00:39:53,375 --> 00:39:55,333
that you can affect
the energy of the place.
806
00:39:55,458 --> 00:39:57,167
It's all about
what the intention is,
807
00:39:57,333 --> 00:39:59,000
which changes
the flow of energy.
808
00:39:59,958 --> 00:40:01,833
I've had a lot of people
on my radio show
809
00:40:01,958 --> 00:40:05,292
who have apparently cleansed
haunted houses
810
00:40:05,458 --> 00:40:06,500
and haunted areas.
811
00:40:06,708 --> 00:40:09,417
They talk about putting sage
812
00:40:09,542 --> 00:40:11,833
around the perimeter
of the house
813
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,083
and things like that
814
00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:15,625
that chase away
the evil spirits.
815
00:40:16,667 --> 00:40:19,458
But by and large,
I'm not sure that works.
816
00:40:19,583 --> 00:40:22,083
I think once a place is haunted,
817
00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:23,208
it's gonna haunt.
818
00:40:23,417 --> 00:40:25,000
It's gonna do what it does.
819
00:40:26,458 --> 00:40:29,167
DAVID ONO:
I think there are energies in
life that we don't understand.
820
00:40:29,375 --> 00:40:31,625
Either created
through our own minds
821
00:40:31,792 --> 00:40:33,667
and our own physical energy
822
00:40:33,875 --> 00:40:37,167
or perhaps the physical energy
of a place.
823
00:40:38,375 --> 00:40:40,500
There are places
where people have died
824
00:40:40,708 --> 00:40:42,917
either violently or tragically,
825
00:40:43,083 --> 00:40:45,792
and that creates
this dark energy.
826
00:40:45,917 --> 00:40:48,375
There might be
some negative spirits,
827
00:40:48,542 --> 00:40:49,917
some ghosts.
828
00:40:50,083 --> 00:40:52,375
And that force
that's happening within it
829
00:40:52,542 --> 00:40:53,958
could also affect people.
830
00:40:56,042 --> 00:40:59,000
DAVE SPINKS:
I've been to some of the most
evil and nasty locations
831
00:40:59,167 --> 00:41:00,458
you could imagine.
832
00:41:00,625 --> 00:41:02,583
And I've seen
people's lives ruined
833
00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:05,375
by these negative, evil forces.
834
00:41:05,542 --> 00:41:08,250
And in my opinion,
some of these locations
835
00:41:08,417 --> 00:41:09,958
are stained forever
836
00:41:10,083 --> 00:41:14,542
with the blood and the energy
of these tragic events,
837
00:41:14,708 --> 00:41:16,292
these murders,
838
00:41:16,417 --> 00:41:18,417
these suicides.
839
00:41:18,542 --> 00:41:21,042
And to me,
that can never go away.
840
00:41:21,208 --> 00:41:23,125
♪ ♪
841
00:41:26,542 --> 00:41:27,958
So what do you think?
842
00:41:28,958 --> 00:41:31,750
Do dark forces actually exist?
843
00:41:31,917 --> 00:41:34,958
Or are supposed evil encounters
844
00:41:35,125 --> 00:41:38,208
simply fabrications
of our human imagination?
845
00:41:38,417 --> 00:41:42,083
Well, the truth is that it's
hard to scientifically prove
846
00:41:42,250 --> 00:41:47,125
whether or not malevolent
entities are, in fact, real.
847
00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:49,500
Which is why, in all likelihood,
848
00:41:49,708 --> 00:41:54,167
people will continue
to both fear and fight
849
00:41:54,292 --> 00:41:58,250
against evil forces
that remain unseen and...
850
00:42:00,125 --> 00:42:01,958
...unexplained.
851
00:42:02,125 --> 00:42:03,792
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