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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,004 --> 00:00:06,675 Doctor. Phil McCombs, Washington Post. 2 00:00:06,708 --> 00:00:07,709 Thank you. Good to see you. 3 00:00:07,742 --> 00:00:09,444 Thank you for taking the time. 4 00:00:18,687 --> 00:00:22,590 So, when you take them out, you don't see anything? 5 00:00:24,892 --> 00:00:26,160 No, you don't see anything. 6 00:00:28,396 --> 00:00:32,032 I-I-I mean, of all the thousands of second trimester abortions 7 00:00:32,066 --> 00:00:35,169 that I've done, I mean, maybe I've seen half a dozen. 8 00:00:37,339 --> 00:00:38,773 But didn't it bother you when you did? 9 00:00:40,408 --> 00:00:41,676 No, not particularly. 10 00:00:41,710 --> 00:00:42,744 It was the end product; 11 00:00:42,777 --> 00:00:44,746 a lifeless, limp thing lying there. 12 00:00:44,779 --> 00:00:46,514 They have a human form. 13 00:00:47,915 --> 00:00:48,916 Oh, absolutely. 14 00:00:52,420 --> 00:00:56,056 I-I-I'm sorry. I-I'm a little bit confused. 15 00:00:56,090 --> 00:00:58,859 Uh. 16 00:00:58,892 --> 00:01:02,664 First you said, "All you see is bloody meat." 17 00:01:02,697 --> 00:01:03,531 Hm-mm. 18 00:01:05,232 --> 00:01:08,202 But now you're saying you always knew it was a person. 19 00:01:09,404 --> 00:01:10,372 So Doctor, 20 00:01:12,607 --> 00:01:13,742 which one is it? 21 00:01:19,246 --> 00:01:20,914 I didn't know what to say. 22 00:01:20,948 --> 00:01:23,016 I felt I was caught in a lie. 23 00:01:23,050 --> 00:01:25,687 So, you have to understand, it was the '70s. 24 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,056 The women's liberation movement was exploding. 25 00:01:29,089 --> 00:01:32,126 Millions of women were taking to the streets, 26 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:33,628 and I got swept up in the way. 27 00:01:33,661 --> 00:01:35,262 saying now that anything after eight weeks 28 00:01:35,295 --> 00:01:37,131 is murder, which I'm all for. 29 00:01:37,164 --> 00:01:39,099 I'm protesting the protesters. 30 00:01:53,515 --> 00:01:56,818 Proverbs 14:12. 31 00:01:56,851 --> 00:02:00,422 "There is a way that seems right unto man, 32 00:02:00,455 --> 00:02:04,626 but in the end thereof, the way is death." 33 00:02:06,795 --> 00:02:08,430 Well, sir, I was in the parking lot 34 00:02:08,463 --> 00:02:09,831 and I saw some people's signs and I said, 35 00:02:09,864 --> 00:02:11,265 "What's happening today?" And they said, 36 00:02:11,298 --> 00:02:14,101 "They're protesting the governor's decision." 37 00:02:14,134 --> 00:02:16,136 I don't want a bunch of old white dudes 38 00:02:16,170 --> 00:02:17,505 regulating my body. 39 00:02:19,206 --> 00:02:20,442 I want us to stand up 40 00:02:20,475 --> 00:02:22,075 for the innocent lives of children 41 00:02:22,109 --> 00:02:24,077 that are being aborted in the womb, 42 00:02:24,111 --> 00:02:27,114 and to stop the bloodshed. 43 00:02:32,052 --> 00:02:34,789 I mean, in proportion, 12-year-olds can get abortions 44 00:02:34,823 --> 00:02:36,791 in public schools and without parental consent. 45 00:02:36,825 --> 00:02:37,859 That's happened in the States. 46 00:02:37,892 --> 00:02:39,594 In Virginia, if you have a baby, 47 00:02:39,627 --> 00:02:41,094 they put it on a table and they ask the parents 48 00:02:41,128 --> 00:02:42,363 do you want it to live a lie. 49 00:03:01,716 --> 00:03:03,283 My life. 50 00:03:03,318 --> 00:03:04,853 my decision! 51 00:03:04,886 --> 00:03:06,621 My life. 52 00:03:06,654 --> 00:03:09,524 my decision! 53 00:03:24,739 --> 00:03:28,977 You have to sacrifice your pawn to save your queen. 54 00:03:29,009 --> 00:03:30,578 It all started in my 20s. 55 00:03:30,612 --> 00:03:32,212 That's Ruth, my first love. 56 00:03:32,246 --> 00:03:33,815 See, my family was Jewish 57 00:03:33,848 --> 00:03:36,049 so I tried to get them to warm up to her. 58 00:03:36,083 --> 00:03:38,252 But I had a better chance of beating my dad at chess. 59 00:03:38,285 --> 00:03:40,087 Check. 60 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,789 Pawns are the soul of a game. 61 00:04:00,308 --> 00:04:03,344 You don't need the queen to win the game. 62 00:04:06,213 --> 00:04:07,214 Checkmate. 63 00:04:08,716 --> 00:04:11,285 You have to sacrifice for the greater good. 64 00:04:19,761 --> 00:04:21,629 How could I have been so stupid. 65 00:04:23,263 --> 00:04:25,198 Maybe we can get married. 66 00:04:25,232 --> 00:04:30,805 No. Not like this. Not yet. 67 00:04:30,838 --> 00:04:32,640 You do know I love you, right? 68 00:04:32,674 --> 00:04:34,842 I can't take care of a baby right now. 69 00:04:39,179 --> 00:04:41,649 Oh, that's what you want. 70 00:04:41,683 --> 00:04:43,150 I can't tell my family about this. 71 00:04:43,183 --> 00:04:44,519 My father won't help. 72 00:04:46,253 --> 00:04:50,123 What am I going to do, Bernie? 73 00:04:50,157 --> 00:04:52,694 Honey, it's we, and we're in this together, okay? 74 00:04:54,495 --> 00:04:56,196 Okay. 75 00:05:12,647 --> 00:05:13,915 I would have married her, 76 00:05:13,948 --> 00:05:15,817 but she didn't want that. 77 00:05:15,850 --> 00:05:18,620 So, I gave her $500. That way, nobody had to know. 78 00:05:20,220 --> 00:05:21,956 I never thought I would lose Ruth. 79 00:05:26,060 --> 00:05:27,695 I became a doctor 80 00:05:27,729 --> 00:05:30,832 to make sure no girl ever had to go through that again. 81 00:05:30,865 --> 00:05:34,602 I will give no deadly medicine, nor suggest any such counsel; 82 00:05:34,636 --> 00:05:38,306 nor give to a woman a pessary to procure an abortion. 83 00:05:38,339 --> 00:05:39,807 Like most doctors, 84 00:05:39,841 --> 00:05:42,142 I would violate the Hippocratic oath. 85 00:05:42,175 --> 00:05:45,212 But saving women was all that mattered. 86 00:05:45,245 --> 00:05:47,715 I know everyone has their own version of events. 87 00:05:47,749 --> 00:05:49,017 But if you really want to know 88 00:05:49,050 --> 00:05:51,284 how abortion became legal in our country, 89 00:05:51,319 --> 00:05:53,186 I will tell you the true story 90 00:05:53,220 --> 00:05:54,322 of Roe v. Wade. 91 00:06:00,528 --> 00:06:03,531 I wanted to get abortion legalized across the country. 92 00:06:03,564 --> 00:06:05,165 Our master plan to do that 93 00:06:05,198 --> 00:06:08,168 started right here in New York City. 94 00:06:08,201 --> 00:06:09,570 That's Betty Friedan, 95 00:06:09,604 --> 00:06:11,305 the leader of the women's movement. 96 00:06:11,339 --> 00:06:14,442 You see, we needed her gals if we had any chance of winning. 97 00:06:16,377 --> 00:06:19,147 Ah-ha. Not again. Mrs. Friedan. 98 00:06:19,179 --> 00:06:22,016 The Plaza's Oak Room has a 61-year tradition 99 00:06:22,050 --> 00:06:25,019 of men's only lunches. 100 00:06:35,096 --> 00:06:36,898 Well, well, well. 101 00:06:36,931 --> 00:06:39,767 If it isn't the world-famous author of The Feminine Mystique, 102 00:06:39,801 --> 00:06:41,769 Mrs. Betty Friedan. 103 00:06:41,803 --> 00:06:43,504 Mr. Larry Lader. 104 00:06:43,538 --> 00:06:45,205 Larry was my best friend. 105 00:06:45,238 --> 00:06:48,176 He was the father of the abortion movement. 106 00:06:48,208 --> 00:06:50,344 And he was also mentored by Margaret Sanger, 107 00:06:50,378 --> 00:06:52,413 the founder of Planned Parenthood. 108 00:06:52,447 --> 00:06:53,948 Now, here's the ugly truth. 109 00:06:53,981 --> 00:06:56,617 Margaret opened clinics in poor Black neighborhoods 110 00:06:56,651 --> 00:06:59,587 and called it the Negro Project. 111 00:06:59,620 --> 00:07:04,125 The mass of Negroes, particularly in the South, 112 00:07:04,158 --> 00:07:08,429 still breed carelessly and disastrously. 113 00:07:10,297 --> 00:07:14,068 The result that the increase among Negroes, 114 00:07:14,102 --> 00:07:16,637 more than among whites, 115 00:07:16,671 --> 00:07:19,272 is that portion of the population 116 00:07:19,307 --> 00:07:22,577 least intelligent and fit. 117 00:07:22,610 --> 00:07:23,911 Her goal was to reduce 118 00:07:23,945 --> 00:07:25,613 the Black population, 119 00:07:25,646 --> 00:07:28,116 either through birth control or sterilization. 120 00:07:28,149 --> 00:07:30,283 She literally wanted to stop Black people 121 00:07:30,318 --> 00:07:32,587 from having babies altogether. 122 00:07:32,620 --> 00:07:35,656 And Larry continued her work by launching an organization 123 00:07:35,690 --> 00:07:37,458 to legalize abortion, 124 00:07:37,492 --> 00:07:40,228 and wrote the first nationwide book on the topic. 125 00:07:40,260 --> 00:07:41,596 Have you happened to read my book? 126 00:07:41,629 --> 00:07:42,764 Did you prance over here 127 00:07:42,797 --> 00:07:46,067 to have me fawn over your vanity project? 128 00:07:46,100 --> 00:07:48,770 Cyril here works for the ACLU. 129 00:07:48,803 --> 00:07:50,738 We can have him sue the Plaza if you like. 130 00:07:50,772 --> 00:07:52,106 A girl should not expect special privileges 131 00:07:52,140 --> 00:07:53,841 because of her sex, 132 00:07:53,875 --> 00:07:56,010 but neither should she adjust to prejudice or discrimination. 133 00:07:56,043 --> 00:07:57,979 I-I'm Bernard. 134 00:07:59,213 --> 00:08:00,314 An obstetrician officially, 135 00:08:00,348 --> 00:08:03,151 until they get the laws repealed. 136 00:08:03,184 --> 00:08:06,120 Cyril is also the lead counsel 137 00:08:06,154 --> 00:08:08,489 for Planned Parenthood. 138 00:08:08,523 --> 00:08:11,993 So, why are you boys so worked up about abortion? 139 00:08:12,026 --> 00:08:14,796 Well, Cyril is gonna head legal, 140 00:08:14,829 --> 00:08:16,130 Bernie, medical. 141 00:08:16,164 --> 00:08:17,932 I would like him to open up a clinic. 142 00:08:17,965 --> 00:08:19,634 Larry, listen, I've told you a million times. 143 00:08:19,667 --> 00:08:21,669 I'm not gonna ruin my reputation over this. 144 00:08:21,702 --> 00:08:24,172 The women need your help. 145 00:08:24,205 --> 00:08:25,606 Opening a clinic will land him in hot water 146 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,008 like Vuitch. 147 00:08:27,041 --> 00:08:28,776 Exactly. And I'm much better to you out of jail. 148 00:08:28,810 --> 00:08:30,144 A bunch of disorganized men 149 00:08:30,178 --> 00:08:32,380 are gonna rid this country of abortion restriction? 150 00:08:32,413 --> 00:08:33,948 No, no, no. We're not disorganized, okay. 151 00:08:33,981 --> 00:08:35,216 - If Bernie... - We're looking for 152 00:08:35,249 --> 00:08:36,818 a pregnant girl to challenge the abortion laws. 153 00:08:36,851 --> 00:08:39,453 If New York falls, the country falls. 154 00:08:39,487 --> 00:08:41,389 If that doesn't work, we'll lobby the legislature. 155 00:08:41,422 --> 00:08:43,024 I guess I can provide medical research 156 00:08:43,057 --> 00:08:44,525 to prove our opinion. 157 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,460 We wanna rally behind the women's movement 158 00:08:46,494 --> 00:08:48,663 to get the TV media on board. 159 00:08:48,696 --> 00:08:50,531 So that's why you need me. 160 00:08:50,565 --> 00:08:52,800 We need to continue Margaret Sanger's work. 161 00:08:52,834 --> 00:08:54,235 Oh, well. 162 00:08:54,268 --> 00:08:56,504 Thank you so much for this explanation. 163 00:08:56,537 --> 00:08:58,739 But abortion is really not our focus. 164 00:09:00,775 --> 00:09:02,043 You're gonna regret it 165 00:09:02,076 --> 00:09:04,011 when you see Gloria Steinem and Bella Abzug 166 00:09:04,045 --> 00:09:07,048 hopping on board and everybody else. 167 00:09:07,081 --> 00:09:08,317 You're our first choice. 168 00:09:08,349 --> 00:09:09,417 Yeah? Why? 169 00:09:09,450 --> 00:09:10,785 Because you're the best. 170 00:09:14,622 --> 00:09:15,690 Betty came on board 171 00:09:15,723 --> 00:09:17,658 and brought her core of feminists. 172 00:09:17,692 --> 00:09:19,694 We all launched NARAL together, 173 00:09:19,727 --> 00:09:22,029 the National Association to Repeal Abortion Laws. 174 00:09:26,601 --> 00:09:28,002 Did I tell you? 175 00:09:28,035 --> 00:09:29,036 Did I tell you? 176 00:09:32,540 --> 00:09:35,276 Looks like I started a revolution. 177 00:09:35,310 --> 00:09:38,512 I mean... I told you, you should open a clinic. 178 00:09:38,546 --> 00:09:40,882 Well, you know, you're probably right about the clinic. 179 00:09:40,915 --> 00:09:44,353 But listen, I-I gotta look after Adele and Joey, so. 180 00:09:46,487 --> 00:09:47,889 Are you not seeing this? 181 00:09:49,223 --> 00:09:50,625 Yeah, but do you really think 182 00:09:50,658 --> 00:09:52,693 we should go for full repeal? 183 00:09:52,727 --> 00:09:56,230 I say we go for abortion on demand! 184 00:09:58,766 --> 00:09:59,667 Yeah. 185 00:10:03,471 --> 00:10:05,439 Listen, come on. We don't need to get greedy. 186 00:10:05,473 --> 00:10:09,877 Can't we just do this for health or if a woman gets raped? 187 00:10:09,911 --> 00:10:11,212 You know, wouldn't it just be better for that? 188 00:10:11,245 --> 00:10:14,115 We don't need to go for abortion on demand. 189 00:10:14,148 --> 00:10:15,249 No, no, no. 190 00:10:15,283 --> 00:10:17,785 We have to go for the full enchilada. 191 00:10:17,818 --> 00:10:19,553 Otherwise, we'll get nothing. 192 00:10:19,587 --> 00:10:20,855 Cyril's correct. 193 00:10:22,523 --> 00:10:25,459 We can't turn a woman's body into a business negotiation. 194 00:10:31,532 --> 00:10:34,101 You just won a fabulous trip to London. 195 00:10:34,135 --> 00:10:38,439 It's worth over $1,000. Congratulations, sir. 196 00:10:41,609 --> 00:10:43,511 Your dinner's in the oven, if you wanna heat it up. 197 00:10:45,146 --> 00:10:46,247 Thank you, sweetheart. 198 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,350 Like always! 199 00:10:48,383 --> 00:10:50,785 Oh, come on, not again. 200 00:10:50,818 --> 00:10:52,186 Eighteen-hour days? 201 00:10:53,854 --> 00:10:55,489 What's her name? 202 00:10:55,523 --> 00:10:58,092 Betty Friedan. 203 00:10:58,125 --> 00:10:59,827 Come on, you can't take a joke? 204 00:10:59,860 --> 00:11:02,630 What you do isn't funny. 205 00:11:02,663 --> 00:11:05,599 I don't understand. A woman doesn't support women's rights? 206 00:11:05,633 --> 00:11:07,336 I mean, you should see what they go through. 207 00:11:07,369 --> 00:11:08,803 Then go be with them. 208 00:11:08,836 --> 00:11:10,871 Women are dying. I'm saving lives. 209 00:11:20,214 --> 00:11:23,017 I just miss you, that's all. 210 00:11:29,023 --> 00:11:31,692 Okay, you win. 211 00:11:31,726 --> 00:11:33,894 The New York State Senate today passed one of the nation's 212 00:11:33,928 --> 00:11:36,398 most sweeping abortion control bills. 213 00:11:36,431 --> 00:11:38,199 Aggregates and enemies of the bill 214 00:11:38,232 --> 00:11:40,534 brought tremendous pressures to bear on legislators 215 00:11:40,568 --> 00:11:42,337 on the emotional issue, 216 00:11:42,371 --> 00:11:44,406 and the drama was summed up late yesterday 217 00:11:44,439 --> 00:11:45,673 in the State Assembly 218 00:11:45,706 --> 00:11:47,808 when one man's vote made the difference. 219 00:11:47,842 --> 00:11:49,977 As New York's Assembly passed a bill 220 00:11:50,011 --> 00:11:52,481 legalizing abortions for any reason, 221 00:11:52,513 --> 00:11:55,750 up to the 24th week of a pregnancy, 222 00:11:55,783 --> 00:11:59,520 the decision to be made between a woman and her physician. 223 00:11:59,553 --> 00:12:02,056 But then it became apparent that the bill would fail 224 00:12:02,089 --> 00:12:04,493 unless one vote was changed. 225 00:12:04,525 --> 00:12:06,761 But I cannot, in good conscience, 226 00:12:06,794 --> 00:12:15,002 stand here and thwart the obvious majority of this House. 227 00:12:15,036 --> 00:12:18,072 I therefore request you, Mr. Speaker, 228 00:12:18,105 --> 00:12:20,875 to change my negative vote to an affirmative vote. 229 00:12:20,908 --> 00:12:22,511 Completely devastated, 230 00:12:22,543 --> 00:12:24,612 the pro-life senator, Earl Brydges, 231 00:12:24,645 --> 00:12:26,448 read the Diary of the Unborn. 232 00:12:26,481 --> 00:12:27,782 "My parents don't know it yet, 233 00:12:27,815 --> 00:12:33,321 "I'm as small as the seed of an apple. 234 00:12:35,623 --> 00:12:37,325 "But it's me already. 235 00:12:39,428 --> 00:12:40,828 "I'm to be a girl. 236 00:12:42,563 --> 00:12:44,799 "I shall have blonde hair and blue eyes. 237 00:12:49,136 --> 00:12:50,738 "October 19th. 238 00:12:53,674 --> 00:12:57,144 "Some say I'm not a real person yet, 239 00:12:57,178 --> 00:12:59,448 "that only my mother exists. 240 00:13:01,349 --> 00:13:04,085 "But I am a real person. 241 00:13:11,359 --> 00:13:12,693 "December 13th. 242 00:13:16,597 --> 00:13:20,167 "I'm just about able to see. 243 00:13:20,201 --> 00:13:22,870 "It's-it's dark around me. 244 00:13:26,841 --> 00:13:28,543 "But what I want more than anything. 245 00:13:32,514 --> 00:13:35,149 "is to see my mommy. 246 00:13:40,821 --> 00:13:42,022 "December 24th. 247 00:13:47,228 --> 00:13:50,698 "I wonder if mommy. 248 00:13:53,834 --> 00:13:57,238 "hears the whispering of my heart. 249 00:14:00,241 --> 00:14:04,044 "It beats so evenly. 250 00:14:11,852 --> 00:14:16,558 "October 28th... December 28th. 251 00:14:25,866 --> 00:14:27,234 Today my mommy killed me." 252 00:14:36,411 --> 00:14:38,812 The win shocked our opposition. 253 00:14:38,846 --> 00:14:40,080 I mean, no one thought we would get abortion 254 00:14:40,114 --> 00:14:42,716 legalized in New York. 255 00:14:42,750 --> 00:14:45,620 Especially since the Catholics controlled everything there. 256 00:14:49,357 --> 00:14:51,426 How does Rockefeller appoint Cyril Means 257 00:14:51,459 --> 00:14:52,893 to head this committee? 258 00:14:52,927 --> 00:14:54,329 It's a conflict of interest. 259 00:14:54,362 --> 00:14:56,431 He works for Planned Parenthood. 260 00:14:56,464 --> 00:14:58,667 Politicians are now playing God, 261 00:14:58,699 --> 00:15:02,537 deciding on who has the right to live and to die. 262 00:15:02,571 --> 00:15:06,240 This is Dr. Mildred Jefferson, she is the first, 263 00:15:06,273 --> 00:15:09,076 uh, woman to graduate... 264 00:15:09,109 --> 00:15:11,078 What he's trying to say is 265 00:15:11,111 --> 00:15:15,015 I am the first Negro woman to graduate Harvard Medical. 266 00:15:15,049 --> 00:15:17,718 Ellen, I run a pro-life women's group. 267 00:15:17,751 --> 00:15:19,554 We, ah, tried to fight this in Albany. 268 00:15:20,821 --> 00:15:22,457 Feminism is destructive. 269 00:15:22,490 --> 00:15:24,058 I have no philosophical 270 00:15:24,091 --> 00:15:27,429 or intellectual appreciation for it. 271 00:15:27,462 --> 00:15:28,630 Oh, we're not feminists. 272 00:15:28,663 --> 00:15:30,699 And they used to be against abortion. 273 00:15:30,731 --> 00:15:32,601 It's not about women's rights either. 274 00:15:32,634 --> 00:15:33,968 Would you like to head up 275 00:15:34,001 --> 00:15:36,804 a right to life group that I'm starting? 276 00:15:36,837 --> 00:15:39,139 I could write a few letters. 277 00:15:39,173 --> 00:15:40,508 There's more that needs to be done. 278 00:15:42,009 --> 00:15:43,445 I could attend some rallies. 279 00:15:43,478 --> 00:15:46,715 Really? That's it? 280 00:15:46,747 --> 00:15:49,551 This will be the National Right to Life Committee. 281 00:15:49,584 --> 00:15:52,253 Father, I am still completing my residency 282 00:15:52,286 --> 00:15:54,154 at Boston University. 283 00:15:54,188 --> 00:15:57,091 I will not give them any more excuses. 284 00:15:57,124 --> 00:15:59,260 I never heard Rosa Parks give excuses. 285 00:16:45,873 --> 00:16:48,510 I'm sorry about Ellen, all right. 286 00:16:48,543 --> 00:16:49,977 She's from Long Island. 287 00:16:50,010 --> 00:16:51,945 I will not be used for the color of my skin. 288 00:16:51,979 --> 00:16:54,482 I do what I do on principle, like Don Quixote. 289 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,489 Look, first they came after the Jews, 290 00:17:01,523 --> 00:17:05,327 but we weren't Jewish, so we didn't say anything. 291 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:08,496 And then they came after the mentally deficient. 292 00:17:08,530 --> 00:17:12,966 But we weren't deficient so we did nothing. 293 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,602 And now they're comin' after the unborn. 294 00:17:18,005 --> 00:17:20,608 and so you're gonna do nothing? 295 00:17:24,546 --> 00:17:27,214 That's a low blow. 296 00:17:27,247 --> 00:17:29,116 No one is coming for the unborn. 297 00:17:31,852 --> 00:17:35,724 This is akin to slavery, and you know the topic. 298 00:17:37,726 --> 00:17:39,093 Because I'm Black? 299 00:17:41,261 --> 00:17:42,530 Yes. 300 00:17:46,133 --> 00:17:48,035 This can't come to you as a shock. 301 00:17:48,068 --> 00:17:49,337 Dr. Haven, 302 00:17:49,371 --> 00:17:50,839 perhaps the board could consider... 303 00:17:50,871 --> 00:17:52,607 The decision has been made. 304 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,510 I've been in medicine for 20 years. 305 00:17:55,543 --> 00:17:59,046 Dr. McConnell will be our new chief resident, 306 00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:00,448 and that's final. 307 00:18:00,482 --> 00:18:03,852 You've chosen Dr. McConnell. 308 00:18:03,884 --> 00:18:06,220 The man can barely get through an appendectomy. 309 00:18:06,253 --> 00:18:08,088 He's a fine doctor. 310 00:18:08,122 --> 00:18:10,792 This position is way too precious 311 00:18:10,825 --> 00:18:13,595 to be wasted on a woman. 312 00:18:18,132 --> 00:18:19,900 I'll get it. 313 00:18:24,004 --> 00:18:26,073 Professor Robert Byrn. 314 00:18:26,106 --> 00:18:28,410 Father McHugh said you were gonna call. 315 00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:31,145 There is not much time, 316 00:18:31,178 --> 00:18:33,882 and Jim said you wanted to help out. 317 00:18:33,914 --> 00:18:35,717 Well, supposedly 318 00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:38,285 you're the best constitutional mind he knows. 319 00:18:38,319 --> 00:18:39,587 The only one he knows. 320 00:18:41,823 --> 00:18:44,759 "Any society that's willing to give up a little liberty 321 00:18:44,793 --> 00:18:46,994 to gain a little security 322 00:18:47,027 --> 00:18:49,464 will deserve neither and lose both." 323 00:18:49,497 --> 00:18:51,499 Benjamin Franklin. 324 00:18:51,533 --> 00:18:55,102 Susan B. Anthony said about abortion, 325 00:18:55,135 --> 00:18:58,105 "Awful guilty is the woman who commits the deed." 326 00:18:58,138 --> 00:19:00,508 No one will be passing a law to kill the unborn. 327 00:19:00,542 --> 00:19:03,277 Our foundations are built on natural law. 328 00:19:03,311 --> 00:19:04,479 Are you sure about that? 329 00:19:05,946 --> 00:19:08,349 People can't humanize what they can't see. 330 00:19:08,383 --> 00:19:10,685 Physicians need to balance the discussion. 331 00:19:12,654 --> 00:19:15,423 But in order to win, 332 00:19:15,457 --> 00:19:17,659 we need to take God out of the argument. 333 00:19:17,692 --> 00:19:19,427 Nathanson's clinics are performing 334 00:19:19,461 --> 00:19:21,463 a thousand abortions per week. 335 00:19:21,496 --> 00:19:22,797 Nathanson? 336 00:19:22,831 --> 00:19:25,165 Dr. Bernard Nathanson, the obstetrician. 337 00:19:25,199 --> 00:19:27,134 The self-proclaimed savior of women. 338 00:19:27,167 --> 00:19:29,269 Sounds more like an abortionist than a doctor. 339 00:19:29,304 --> 00:19:31,339 The Abortion King, they call him. 340 00:19:31,372 --> 00:19:34,442 That's why I'm sacrificing my time and taking up the fight. 341 00:19:34,476 --> 00:19:39,146 I'm a woman. You have choices. 342 00:19:39,179 --> 00:19:41,114 I understand. 343 00:19:41,148 --> 00:19:43,016 You need to take care of your children. 344 00:19:43,050 --> 00:19:46,153 No, we don't have any children. 345 00:19:51,058 --> 00:19:53,026 We tried. 346 00:20:03,237 --> 00:20:04,405 So glad you're here. 347 00:20:04,439 --> 00:20:06,841 Look at this. Have you seen that? 348 00:20:08,443 --> 00:20:11,679 "An unmarried Catholic law professor." 349 00:20:11,713 --> 00:20:12,747 Now, Larry's strategy 350 00:20:12,780 --> 00:20:15,249 was to always vilify the Catholics. 351 00:20:15,282 --> 00:20:17,184 So, every time we leaked a story, 352 00:20:17,217 --> 00:20:20,153 we made sure the writer identified the bad guys 353 00:20:20,187 --> 00:20:22,390 specifically as Catholics. 354 00:20:22,423 --> 00:20:24,091 I'm always described that way. 355 00:20:24,124 --> 00:20:26,494 You never see them identify Betty Friedan "a married Jew," 356 00:20:26,528 --> 00:20:28,363 but us, always "a Catholic." 357 00:20:29,898 --> 00:20:31,231 Could be worse. 358 00:20:33,066 --> 00:20:34,268 Come on. 359 00:20:34,302 --> 00:20:36,236 We're gonna go in here and over to the left. 360 00:20:56,123 --> 00:20:57,257 Where are the graves? 361 00:20:59,928 --> 00:21:01,829 Where are the names carved in stone? 362 00:21:04,599 --> 00:21:06,935 Where do we go to pray? 363 00:21:06,968 --> 00:21:08,135 I don't know, Father. 364 00:21:08,168 --> 00:21:09,804 But I do know that they will never stop 365 00:21:09,837 --> 00:21:12,307 the religious persecution. 366 00:21:12,340 --> 00:21:14,742 Preaching on Sundays isn't saving babies. 367 00:21:17,512 --> 00:21:19,714 "The fate of unborn millions will now depend, 368 00:21:19,747 --> 00:21:22,050 under God, on the courage of this army." 369 00:21:22,082 --> 00:21:23,318 George Washington. 370 00:21:24,786 --> 00:21:26,921 We need to take God out of the argument. 371 00:21:26,955 --> 00:21:28,990 Your father was a minister. 372 00:21:29,023 --> 00:21:30,157 Yes. 373 00:21:33,828 --> 00:21:35,763 Life begins at conception. 374 00:21:36,998 --> 00:21:39,367 As a physician, I know this. 375 00:21:40,868 --> 00:21:42,269 And so does the Scraper. 376 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,009 The Scraper? 377 00:21:48,042 --> 00:21:49,777 That's what they call Dr. Nathanson. 378 00:21:56,818 --> 00:21:57,852 I'm in. 379 00:22:04,659 --> 00:22:07,160 I'll have someone from the Right to Life office 380 00:22:07,194 --> 00:22:09,296 get it up and running until you can take over. 381 00:22:10,498 --> 00:22:11,666 God bless you. 382 00:22:17,005 --> 00:22:18,673 You know, it's cheaper to abort a baby 383 00:22:18,706 --> 00:22:20,675 than it is to keep it on welfare. 384 00:22:23,143 --> 00:22:24,846 Now that it's in the courts, 385 00:22:24,879 --> 00:22:27,382 the interests of the baby will be taken into consideration. 386 00:22:29,484 --> 00:22:31,686 And now that it is legal in New York, 387 00:22:31,719 --> 00:22:34,389 Larry really wants me to open up a clinic. 388 00:22:34,422 --> 00:22:36,256 Does he want to pay our mortgage? 389 00:22:48,036 --> 00:22:49,236 Larry was right, 390 00:22:49,269 --> 00:22:51,005 and from this point forward, 391 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:54,342 we were able to carry out over 70,000 abortions 392 00:22:54,375 --> 00:22:58,846 throughout my career, making over $20 million. 393 00:23:01,683 --> 00:23:04,686 Maybe this is worth your reputation. 394 00:23:08,288 --> 00:23:09,891 I guess they could use your help. 395 00:23:13,928 --> 00:23:16,064 If you're gonna do this, 396 00:23:16,097 --> 00:23:18,032 I need you to do one thing for me. 397 00:23:18,066 --> 00:23:18,966 Tell me. 398 00:23:20,068 --> 00:23:21,302 Win! 399 00:23:25,073 --> 00:23:26,441 Now that my business was booming, 400 00:23:26,474 --> 00:23:27,875 I didn't have enough hours in the day 401 00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:30,745 to take care of all the girls who wanted abortions. 402 00:23:30,778 --> 00:23:33,246 So, we had to go to London to learn a faster procedure. 403 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,784 Uh, today, I'll be performing 32 procedures. 404 00:23:36,818 --> 00:23:39,053 Thirty-two in one day? Impressive. 405 00:23:39,087 --> 00:23:41,055 Yeah, it's much more civilized now. 406 00:23:41,089 --> 00:23:42,857 What is that machine there used for? 407 00:23:42,890 --> 00:23:44,559 Well, this is a suction machine. 408 00:23:44,592 --> 00:23:48,362 The procedure is called suction curettage. 409 00:23:48,396 --> 00:23:51,899 With this, I can perform an abortion in three minutes. 410 00:23:51,933 --> 00:23:53,601 That's impossible. You can't do that. 411 00:23:53,634 --> 00:23:56,437 You can thank the Chinese for this. 412 00:23:56,471 --> 00:23:57,872 This and firecrackers. 413 00:23:57,905 --> 00:24:00,975 Up until how many months can you use this machine? 414 00:24:01,008 --> 00:24:02,076 Four and a half, 415 00:24:02,110 --> 00:24:03,644 no problem. 416 00:24:03,678 --> 00:24:06,614 Dilation and evacuation up to six and a half, 417 00:24:06,647 --> 00:24:08,583 but some doctors even more than that. 418 00:24:12,019 --> 00:24:13,087 Now, if you're looking for a nice shirt 419 00:24:13,121 --> 00:24:14,155 while you're in London, 420 00:24:14,188 --> 00:24:16,224 I can recommend MacCulloch & Wallis. 421 00:24:16,256 --> 00:24:20,394 They get the cut just right. It is your body after all. 422 00:24:21,596 --> 00:24:22,764 One thing to be careful of though is, 423 00:24:22,797 --> 00:24:26,000 their guy is a little clumsy with the needle, 424 00:24:26,033 --> 00:24:28,803 but who cares if it stings a bit, hmm? 425 00:24:28,836 --> 00:24:30,772 Ah, suction machine, please? 426 00:24:30,805 --> 00:24:32,006 You got it. 427 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:34,274 The fetus is quartered. 428 00:24:34,308 --> 00:24:36,811 The torso disemboweled. 429 00:24:36,844 --> 00:24:40,948 The head is then crushed and extracted in parts. 430 00:24:40,982 --> 00:24:44,585 Then the placenta is scraped off the womb. 431 00:24:44,619 --> 00:24:47,688 The last step of dilation and evacuation is, 432 00:24:47,722 --> 00:24:49,624 you must reconstruct the fetus 433 00:24:49,657 --> 00:24:52,927 to make sure all the vital parts have been removed. 434 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:53,795 Thank you. 435 00:24:56,664 --> 00:24:59,433 Look, if you follow the New York model, 436 00:24:59,467 --> 00:25:01,702 you're gonna be able to maximize patients. Okay? 437 00:25:01,736 --> 00:25:02,770 If you need any help... 438 00:25:02,804 --> 00:25:04,772 We have regional centers. 439 00:25:04,806 --> 00:25:07,441 Planned Parenthood has centers all over the country. 440 00:25:07,475 --> 00:25:08,509 Yeah. 441 00:25:08,543 --> 00:25:10,511 Thank you, gentlemen. 442 00:25:17,852 --> 00:25:19,487 We found a girl in Texas. 443 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,190 Our gal at Planned Parenthood Dallas, Ginny Whitehill, 444 00:25:22,223 --> 00:25:23,558 organized the whole thing. 445 00:25:23,591 --> 00:25:25,126 Did you get a lawyer in Texas, too? 446 00:25:25,159 --> 00:25:27,495 A woman, and this is where it gets good. 447 00:25:27,528 --> 00:25:28,996 Ginny found the perfect one. 448 00:25:29,030 --> 00:25:30,364 No. 449 00:25:30,398 --> 00:25:33,401 Young, inexperienced, and in need of guidance. 450 00:25:33,434 --> 00:25:35,369 And it gets better. 451 00:25:35,403 --> 00:25:37,338 She works for us. 452 00:25:37,371 --> 00:25:38,406 What are you talking about? 453 00:25:38,439 --> 00:25:39,340 For Planned Parenthood. 454 00:25:39,373 --> 00:25:40,975 No. 455 00:25:41,008 --> 00:25:43,878 She even volunteers for your group, NOW. 456 00:25:54,722 --> 00:25:57,892 Henry's a civil rights lawyer but he does adoptions, too. 457 00:25:57,925 --> 00:25:59,927 That's how we found the girl. 458 00:25:59,961 --> 00:26:01,729 Norma McCorvey. She's perfect. 459 00:26:01,762 --> 00:26:02,930 She was a runaway, 460 00:26:02,964 --> 00:26:04,532 she became an alcoholic, 461 00:26:04,565 --> 00:26:06,601 a drug addict, a lesbian. 462 00:26:06,634 --> 00:26:09,203 She has a criminal record and a ninth-grade education. 463 00:26:09,237 --> 00:26:11,906 She is just what you're looking for. 464 00:26:11,939 --> 00:26:13,875 Ginny, this is great. 465 00:26:13,908 --> 00:26:17,278 We need to legalize this across the country in one swoop. 466 00:26:17,312 --> 00:26:20,514 Fighting state by state will take forever. 467 00:26:20,548 --> 00:26:21,782 And the lawyers? 468 00:26:21,816 --> 00:26:23,918 Linda Coffee and Sarah Weddington. 469 00:26:23,951 --> 00:26:25,286 Henry McCluskey was the guy 470 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,121 who not only found the pregnant girl, 471 00:26:27,154 --> 00:26:28,723 but the lawyers, too. 472 00:26:28,756 --> 00:26:30,558 They are super excited. 473 00:26:30,591 --> 00:26:32,426 Plus. 474 00:26:32,460 --> 00:26:34,161 they desperately needed a job. 475 00:26:36,097 --> 00:26:37,298 Planned Parenthood 476 00:26:37,332 --> 00:26:39,567 needed Texas lawyers they could control. 477 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,435 And they wanted women. 478 00:26:41,469 --> 00:26:44,538 Sarah and Linda couldn't get hired anywhere else. 479 00:26:44,572 --> 00:26:46,574 They were the perfect pawns. 480 00:26:46,607 --> 00:26:48,776 You're gonna make a constitutional claim. 481 00:26:48,809 --> 00:26:50,312 How are we gonna do that? 482 00:26:50,345 --> 00:26:52,947 Between Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and NOW, 483 00:26:52,980 --> 00:26:54,248 you got a lot of help. 484 00:26:54,282 --> 00:26:56,050 And Norma's background? 485 00:26:56,083 --> 00:26:58,219 Are we worried that's gonna affect the case? 486 00:26:58,252 --> 00:27:00,655 We'll give her a pseudonym. Call her Jane Roe. 487 00:27:00,688 --> 00:27:02,757 Calling Norma Jane Roe, 488 00:27:02,790 --> 00:27:05,092 made sure our opponents would never be able to 489 00:27:05,126 --> 00:27:08,729 find out who she was; never be able to question her, 490 00:27:08,763 --> 00:27:11,933 and never, ever be able to find out the truth. 491 00:27:11,966 --> 00:27:13,567 That's genius. 492 00:27:13,601 --> 00:27:15,337 That way, no one will ever know about her past. 493 00:27:15,370 --> 00:27:16,904 I'll oversee the case. 494 00:27:16,938 --> 00:27:19,408 I'll bring in Harriet Pilpel from Planned Parenthood. 495 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,143 She's the country's top constitutional expert. 496 00:27:22,176 --> 00:27:23,678 This is going to the Supreme Court? 497 00:27:23,711 --> 00:27:25,046 We'll make sure of it. 498 00:27:26,447 --> 00:27:29,684 But, I-I've never even tried a case. 499 00:27:29,717 --> 00:27:32,387 Don't worry, we have. 500 00:27:35,189 --> 00:27:36,958 Larry liked to go to St. Croix. 501 00:27:36,991 --> 00:27:38,427 He called them working vacations. 502 00:27:38,459 --> 00:27:39,627 Okay, Bernie. 503 00:27:39,660 --> 00:27:40,494 He said that's where 504 00:27:40,528 --> 00:27:41,963 he got his best ideas. 505 00:27:41,996 --> 00:27:43,332 - This time, I went with him. - Look, they do need us. 506 00:27:43,365 --> 00:27:44,665 We were going to celebrate 507 00:27:44,699 --> 00:27:46,133 - winning New York. - Here's the strategy, okay. 508 00:27:46,167 --> 00:27:48,636 First, we have to get the media on our side. 509 00:27:48,669 --> 00:27:50,137 That's a good idea, okay. 510 00:27:50,171 --> 00:27:52,341 Second, they need to know 511 00:27:52,374 --> 00:27:54,175 there's no life at conception. 512 00:27:54,208 --> 00:27:57,144 Yeah, but I'm not really sure that's accurate. 513 00:27:58,347 --> 00:27:59,213 Well, you're a doctor. 514 00:27:59,246 --> 00:28:00,382 We're gonna need testimonials. 515 00:28:00,415 --> 00:28:02,883 What about what the other experts say? 516 00:28:02,917 --> 00:28:05,219 We'll make sure no one's gonna hear what they have to say. 517 00:28:05,252 --> 00:28:07,555 I couldn't believe what he just said. 518 00:28:07,588 --> 00:28:10,157 Larry wanted me to bury the truth. 519 00:28:10,191 --> 00:28:14,161 I was really conflicted but. I went along with it anyway. 520 00:28:14,195 --> 00:28:15,629 Right? Listen. 521 00:28:15,663 --> 00:28:19,200 Most important, every revolution needs a villain, okay? 522 00:28:19,233 --> 00:28:21,403 Whether it's a dictator or a king. 523 00:28:21,436 --> 00:28:24,205 People need to see a face, something to rebel against. 524 00:28:24,238 --> 00:28:26,974 It's easier for them to perceive. 525 00:28:27,008 --> 00:28:30,745 We need to narrow the focus, okay, 526 00:28:30,778 --> 00:28:33,348 identify it with a person 527 00:28:33,382 --> 00:28:36,250 or a small group of shadowy, powerful people. 528 00:28:38,052 --> 00:28:39,053 Don't you see? 529 00:28:40,755 --> 00:28:43,057 In our country there's been one group associated with 530 00:28:43,090 --> 00:28:44,326 reactionary politics, 531 00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:46,260 behind-the-scenes manipulations, 532 00:28:46,293 --> 00:28:47,928 and backward ideas. 533 00:28:47,962 --> 00:28:50,264 Wait, not the Catholics again? 534 00:28:50,297 --> 00:28:52,566 Oh, well. What did I really care? 535 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,835 I mean, although my parents were Jewish, 536 00:28:54,869 --> 00:28:56,737 I was more of an atheist. 537 00:28:56,771 --> 00:28:59,206 Of course, the Catholics. Yes! 538 00:29:02,777 --> 00:29:04,912 Norma. 539 00:29:04,945 --> 00:29:06,714 good to see you again. 540 00:29:06,747 --> 00:29:07,715 Come here. 541 00:29:11,420 --> 00:29:12,286 This is Sarah. 542 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,863 So, you're seeking an abortion? 543 00:29:22,897 --> 00:29:25,566 Yeah, you know where I can get one? 544 00:29:27,436 --> 00:29:30,905 I'm so sorry, I do not. 545 00:29:39,314 --> 00:29:40,714 How about an illegal one? 546 00:29:40,748 --> 00:29:42,216 No! 547 00:29:42,249 --> 00:29:43,284 Okay, well, Sarah did know 548 00:29:43,318 --> 00:29:44,618 where to get an illegal one. 549 00:29:44,652 --> 00:29:46,555 She had one in Mexico. 550 00:29:46,587 --> 00:29:48,789 But we needed them to say whatever it took 551 00:29:48,823 --> 00:29:50,791 to get her to come on board. 552 00:29:50,825 --> 00:29:55,062 It was for the greater good. This was lie number one. 553 00:29:55,096 --> 00:29:56,964 Why the heck not? 554 00:29:56,997 --> 00:29:59,300 Because it's dangerous. 555 00:29:59,334 --> 00:30:00,935 What am I even doing here then? 556 00:30:00,968 --> 00:30:03,070 Mr. McCluskey said I could trust y'all. 557 00:30:03,104 --> 00:30:04,605 He's great. 558 00:30:04,638 --> 00:30:07,342 We'll still consult with McCluskey, okay? 559 00:30:07,375 --> 00:30:09,910 I can't be having no baby, okay? 560 00:30:09,944 --> 00:30:13,415 I got no job, no husband, no home. 561 00:30:13,448 --> 00:30:15,417 You don't wanna to put your child up for adoption? 562 00:30:15,450 --> 00:30:18,052 No, I can't go through that again. 563 00:30:21,021 --> 00:30:22,957 Thank you. 564 00:30:22,990 --> 00:30:25,960 How did you become pregnant in the first place? 565 00:30:25,993 --> 00:30:26,994 Can I? 566 00:30:31,466 --> 00:30:34,969 Norma, if we are gonna represent you, 567 00:30:35,002 --> 00:30:38,172 we need to know everything. 568 00:30:38,205 --> 00:30:40,542 Did anything bad happen? 569 00:30:40,575 --> 00:30:43,978 I was, uhm, raped. 570 00:30:44,011 --> 00:30:46,013 Norma may have been suicidal, 571 00:30:46,046 --> 00:30:49,384 but she admitted years later, she lied about being raped. 572 00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:51,419 Raped? 573 00:30:53,154 --> 00:30:55,156 I'm so sorry. 574 00:30:55,189 --> 00:30:56,525 No woman should ever have to give birth 575 00:30:56,558 --> 00:30:58,360 to her attacker's child. 576 00:30:58,393 --> 00:31:01,195 Hmm, is the case gonna be over in enough time? 577 00:31:01,228 --> 00:31:02,531 That's why I'm doing this. 578 00:31:02,564 --> 00:31:05,299 Yes, of course. 579 00:31:05,333 --> 00:31:06,368 Lie number two. 580 00:31:09,003 --> 00:31:11,339 We will do our best to win. 581 00:31:11,373 --> 00:31:14,742 So, what happens during an abortion? 582 00:31:14,775 --> 00:31:16,810 Does the baby go back? 583 00:31:16,844 --> 00:31:20,348 Like when John Wayne aborts a mission? 584 00:31:20,382 --> 00:31:22,683 Well, there is no baby. 585 00:31:22,716 --> 00:31:24,218 And ladies and gentlemen, 586 00:31:24,251 --> 00:31:26,588 lie number three. 587 00:31:26,621 --> 00:31:29,056 It's like removing a piece of tissue. 588 00:31:29,089 --> 00:31:30,525 The baby comes later, Norma. 589 00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:31,593 Much later. 590 00:31:33,260 --> 00:31:34,529 Like passing a period. 591 00:31:36,030 --> 00:31:39,434 So, y'all got a lot of experience with this. 592 00:31:39,467 --> 00:31:41,202 We're going to file in Dallas. 593 00:31:41,235 --> 00:31:42,537 But I live in Houston. 594 00:31:42,571 --> 00:31:45,340 I know, but I clerked for Judge Hughes in Dallas 595 00:31:45,373 --> 00:31:47,676 and I know her position on the topic. 596 00:31:47,708 --> 00:31:51,346 We just need you to read these papers and sign. 597 00:31:51,379 --> 00:31:53,847 And then, we'll just-we'll get everything going. 598 00:31:53,881 --> 00:31:55,383 It's all right. I trust y'all. 599 00:32:09,497 --> 00:32:11,732 Get out! Get out! 600 00:32:14,268 --> 00:32:16,304 Wait. 601 00:32:16,338 --> 00:32:17,606 wait. 602 00:32:21,409 --> 00:32:23,978 They lied to me. 603 00:32:24,011 --> 00:32:26,113 They told me we would have won by now. 604 00:32:28,249 --> 00:32:31,785 Call them! Tell them to get McCluskey! 605 00:32:32,853 --> 00:32:33,988 Obviously, 606 00:32:34,021 --> 00:32:35,423 the case didn't get to court in time. 607 00:32:40,261 --> 00:32:42,896 Ha-ha! Mr. Floyd, welcome to Dallas. 608 00:32:42,930 --> 00:32:44,131 - How's the Governor? - He's still reeling 609 00:32:44,164 --> 00:32:45,966 over your Lee Harvey Oswald debacle. 610 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,737 Well, he should have appointed me instead of Sarah Hughes. 611 00:32:48,769 --> 00:32:49,803 You'll want to hear this. 612 00:32:49,837 --> 00:32:51,573 Two young lawyers just filed... 613 00:32:51,606 --> 00:32:54,942 Whoop dee doo, goody for them. 614 00:32:54,975 --> 00:32:57,312 In Judge Hughes' court, and it's about... 615 00:32:57,345 --> 00:33:01,915 Oh, let me guess, abortion! 616 00:33:03,050 --> 00:33:06,020 You know, that Sarah Hughes, she... 617 00:33:06,053 --> 00:33:07,489 anything to get at me. 618 00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:10,190 So. 619 00:33:10,224 --> 00:33:14,128 So, these gals, fresh out of UT Law, 620 00:33:14,161 --> 00:33:16,765 are bringin' an abortion case to Texas. 621 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,269 Thank you. I needed a good laugh. 622 00:33:22,304 --> 00:33:23,804 You should be worried, Hank! 623 00:33:23,837 --> 00:33:26,874 About what? Prissy feminists looking to stir up the pot? 624 00:33:26,907 --> 00:33:28,443 Tolle, come in here. You need to hear this. 625 00:33:28,476 --> 00:33:30,345 They're causing a ruckus all over the country. 626 00:33:30,378 --> 00:33:32,314 Any decent lawyer 627 00:33:32,347 --> 00:33:34,783 can try this case with his eyes closed. 628 00:33:34,815 --> 00:33:37,686 You-you-you argue the case. 629 00:33:37,719 --> 00:33:40,455 Show these girls some good old-fashioned Texas morals. 630 00:33:40,488 --> 00:33:41,889 It's not about morals, Hank! 631 00:33:41,922 --> 00:33:43,325 Well, that's just ignorant. 632 00:33:43,358 --> 00:33:46,026 Why don't we legalize murder while we're at it? 633 00:33:46,060 --> 00:33:47,629 Who's this Jane Roe anyway? 634 00:33:50,030 --> 00:33:54,336 Well, she's healthy, so the baby can't kill her. 635 00:33:54,369 --> 00:33:57,472 So, she can't have an abortion in Texas. 636 00:33:57,505 --> 00:34:00,207 Why doesn't she move to New York City? 637 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,744 They're gonna bring up some women's rights violations. 638 00:34:02,777 --> 00:34:05,547 A woman's right to kill her own baby? 639 00:34:08,683 --> 00:34:09,718 You're right. 640 00:34:11,285 --> 00:34:12,587 There's no way anyone with a conscience 641 00:34:12,620 --> 00:34:13,822 could legalize killin' a child. 642 00:34:13,854 --> 00:34:16,090 And that's why I prosecuted Jack Ruby 643 00:34:16,123 --> 00:34:18,158 for killing Lee Harvey Oswald. 644 00:34:18,192 --> 00:34:20,994 No judge or jury in their right mind 645 00:34:21,028 --> 00:34:26,166 would ever let abortion happen in Texas, ever. 646 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,736 Ever. 647 00:34:27,769 --> 00:34:29,169 I'm Jay Floyd, 648 00:34:29,203 --> 00:34:30,904 Assistant Attorney General of the State of Texas. 649 00:34:30,938 --> 00:34:32,005 The parties in this lawsuit 650 00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:32,807 have no standing before the court. 651 00:34:33,941 --> 00:34:35,410 Jane Roe no longer seeks an abortion. 652 00:34:35,443 --> 00:34:37,177 She has had the baby or is having it. 653 00:34:37,211 --> 00:34:38,178 Are we gonna let the delay 654 00:34:38,212 --> 00:34:40,280 in the hearing abort the case? 655 00:34:40,315 --> 00:34:42,417 She may want to engage in activity 656 00:34:42,450 --> 00:34:43,685 where she'll become pregnant, 657 00:34:43,718 --> 00:34:45,252 and then she may want an abortion. 658 00:34:45,285 --> 00:34:47,221 The law's whether or not the party has standing 659 00:34:47,254 --> 00:34:49,457 at the time the issues are decided in the case. 660 00:34:49,491 --> 00:34:51,459 This statute takes effect 661 00:34:51,493 --> 00:34:54,261 regardless of when the embryo takes effect. 662 00:34:54,294 --> 00:34:56,431 I mean, at first week? 663 00:34:56,464 --> 00:34:57,632 There have been many arguments 664 00:34:57,665 --> 00:34:59,467 as to when an embryo becomes a human being. 665 00:34:59,501 --> 00:35:01,101 There have been many religious groups 666 00:35:01,135 --> 00:35:02,704 that have joined in that controversy, 667 00:35:02,737 --> 00:35:05,105 and I'm not setting forth the Catholic faith. 668 00:35:05,139 --> 00:35:07,241 How is that gettin' you anywhere? 669 00:35:07,274 --> 00:35:08,710 The point is, 670 00:35:08,743 --> 00:35:10,545 the state's interest is whether or not murder occurs, 671 00:35:10,578 --> 00:35:12,913 and if the embryo is considered a human being. 672 00:35:12,946 --> 00:35:16,418 There have been many opinions on privacy. 673 00:35:16,451 --> 00:35:20,755 So, you're saying that if Texas were to approve abortion, 674 00:35:20,789 --> 00:35:24,559 that it would be considered a direct killin' of our citizens? 675 00:35:24,592 --> 00:35:28,329 I-I think this is a bad word in this situation, 676 00:35:28,363 --> 00:35:29,831 although everybody seems to want to use it. 677 00:35:29,864 --> 00:35:31,733 I haven't come up with a phrase myself, 678 00:35:31,766 --> 00:35:33,768 but I don't think privacy is gonna do it. 679 00:35:33,802 --> 00:35:36,170 The State's position is the right of that child to life 680 00:35:36,203 --> 00:35:38,606 is superior to the woman's right to privacy. 681 00:35:40,341 --> 00:35:41,476 Then an argument could be made 682 00:35:41,509 --> 00:35:44,077 that an abortion isn't necessary, 683 00:35:44,111 --> 00:35:46,448 a medical argument because of the health of the mother. 684 00:35:46,481 --> 00:35:48,416 Any possible change in the relevant law 685 00:35:48,450 --> 00:35:51,453 is a matter for the state legislators and not the courts. 686 00:36:02,464 --> 00:36:05,834 First Amendment rights or Ninth Amendment rights, 687 00:36:05,867 --> 00:36:07,469 I feel that they are so important that they deserve 688 00:36:07,502 --> 00:36:09,370 special protection. 689 00:36:09,404 --> 00:36:11,706 They involve fundamental human freedoms. 690 00:36:11,739 --> 00:36:14,542 The State has not tried to prosecute unfairly, has it? 691 00:36:14,576 --> 00:36:16,511 The State is prosecuting against physicians. 692 00:36:16,544 --> 00:36:19,179 Do you think the entire statute should be stricken? 693 00:36:19,213 --> 00:36:20,415 Yes. 694 00:36:22,082 --> 00:36:23,885 - Is the court worried about...? - Ah... 695 00:36:23,918 --> 00:36:26,454 We worry about a lot of things. Don't let that worry you. 696 00:36:29,557 --> 00:36:31,124 I think the statute is so bad 697 00:36:31,158 --> 00:36:33,495 that the court just has to strike it all down. 698 00:36:33,528 --> 00:36:37,532 So, you think 63 years of unconstitutionality 699 00:36:37,565 --> 00:36:40,969 should've worn everyone's constitutional patience? 700 00:36:41,001 --> 00:36:42,135 Is that what you're saying? 701 00:36:42,169 --> 00:36:43,505 I think the State has had plenty of time 702 00:36:43,538 --> 00:36:45,038 to construe this statute. 703 00:36:59,387 --> 00:37:01,756 This was the judge Linda clerked for, 704 00:37:01,789 --> 00:37:03,223 and she obviously made her decision 705 00:37:03,257 --> 00:37:05,393 before she even heard the case. 706 00:37:05,426 --> 00:37:07,261 I think the wink gave it away. 707 00:37:09,129 --> 00:37:11,566 I would like to draw to the court's attention that life 708 00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:13,835 is an ongoing process. 709 00:37:13,868 --> 00:37:15,870 It is almost impossible to define at which point 710 00:37:15,904 --> 00:37:18,006 life begins or 711 00:37:18,038 --> 00:37:20,173 perhaps even when life ends. 712 00:37:20,207 --> 00:37:24,244 Assuming there is a Ninth Amendment right to privacy, 713 00:37:24,278 --> 00:37:25,847 does the state have any compelling reason 714 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,550 to regulate or modify that right? 715 00:37:28,583 --> 00:37:30,919 I cannot see any justification for regulation 716 00:37:30,952 --> 00:37:33,021 when the abortion's being done by a doctor. 717 00:37:33,053 --> 00:37:36,524 The state of the pregnancy or anything? 718 00:37:36,558 --> 00:37:40,060 The stage of the pregnancy is pause for concern, um. 719 00:37:41,496 --> 00:37:44,032 You could recognize life when the fetus is able to live 720 00:37:44,064 --> 00:37:46,266 outside the body of the mother. 721 00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:49,537 It might be dependent on whether she has money or not? 722 00:37:49,571 --> 00:37:54,042 The young, those still in school, 723 00:37:54,074 --> 00:37:59,279 those unable to shoulder the responsibility of a child, 724 00:37:59,314 --> 00:38:01,883 these girls should not be put through the pregnancy 725 00:38:01,916 --> 00:38:04,284 and should be entitled to an abortion. 726 00:38:20,635 --> 00:38:22,135 Gentlemen, inside, now! 727 00:38:25,607 --> 00:38:28,576 I told you any decent lawyer could win this case! 728 00:38:28,610 --> 00:38:31,779 You, Mr. Floyd, are apparently not a decent lawyer. 729 00:38:31,813 --> 00:38:33,581 The judge's decision was political; 730 00:38:33,615 --> 00:38:34,782 nobody could've done anything. 731 00:38:34,816 --> 00:38:36,149 You weren't prepared! 732 00:38:36,183 --> 00:38:39,252 You didn't bring in any medical experts to testify 733 00:38:39,286 --> 00:38:41,489 that life begins at conception! 734 00:38:41,522 --> 00:38:44,191 They said the Constitution didn't apply to the unborn. 735 00:38:44,224 --> 00:38:45,660 We'll fight the decision, Hank! 736 00:38:45,693 --> 00:38:49,097 Fight? You didn't even bring in all of the case law. 737 00:38:49,129 --> 00:38:52,600 Dozens that do protect the rights of the unborn! 738 00:38:52,634 --> 00:38:54,167 You've embarrassed this office. 739 00:38:54,201 --> 00:38:56,169 Sir, if you would just listen to what I have to say, I could... 740 00:38:56,203 --> 00:38:59,807 Planned Parenthood in their own words agree, 741 00:38:59,841 --> 00:39:04,379 "Abortion kills the life of the baby after it's begun"! 742 00:39:04,412 --> 00:39:06,648 Right here in their own damn pamphlet! 743 00:39:11,151 --> 00:39:13,554 You research this Jane Roe 744 00:39:13,588 --> 00:39:15,957 to see if she's telling the truth. 745 00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:18,726 Mr. Tolle, I will deal with you. 746 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,062 Mr. Floyd, you deal with the Governor. 747 00:39:25,265 --> 00:39:27,869 I will appeal this all the way to the Supreme Court, 748 00:39:27,902 --> 00:39:29,937 so help me God! 749 00:39:31,406 --> 00:39:33,173 Until the appeals process is over, 750 00:39:33,206 --> 00:39:36,243 abortion is still illegal in Texas. 751 00:39:36,276 --> 00:39:39,080 Potter keeps pushing Roe. 752 00:39:39,113 --> 00:39:40,247 I think we should wait. 753 00:39:41,749 --> 00:39:42,817 The Senate has rejected 754 00:39:42,850 --> 00:39:45,920 each of Nixon's appointments so far. 755 00:39:45,953 --> 00:39:47,855 Who knows how long this could take. 756 00:39:47,889 --> 00:39:50,758 Obviously, they're just trying as many cases as they can 757 00:39:50,792 --> 00:39:52,225 while they're still in control. 758 00:39:53,861 --> 00:39:55,730 Your letter to Nixon did help get your friend 759 00:39:55,763 --> 00:39:57,065 Blackmun on the bench. 760 00:39:57,098 --> 00:39:58,866 Well, I had to do something. 761 00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:02,403 Nothing like that has happened in 40 years. 762 00:40:02,437 --> 00:40:04,271 At this rate, the liberals will never let Nixon 763 00:40:04,305 --> 00:40:06,741 appoint any new justices. 764 00:40:06,774 --> 00:40:09,877 It could be Rehnquist and Powell. 765 00:40:09,911 --> 00:40:12,413 Who the hell knows where they stand. 766 00:40:12,447 --> 00:40:13,681 What are you thinking, Byron? 767 00:40:13,715 --> 00:40:16,050 Seven judges, only six are required. 768 00:40:16,084 --> 00:40:17,618 The Supreme Court 769 00:40:17,652 --> 00:40:18,920 has nine justices. 770 00:40:18,953 --> 00:40:20,621 Two had just retired, 771 00:40:20,655 --> 00:40:22,255 and Nixon was fighting with the Senate 772 00:40:22,289 --> 00:40:24,425 over his replacements. 773 00:40:24,459 --> 00:40:30,531 This is far too. Too sensitive a matter for seven. 774 00:40:30,565 --> 00:40:32,232 Well, we just decided the Vuitch case. 775 00:40:32,265 --> 00:40:34,736 I'll bring that up and we'll-we'll move on. 776 00:40:36,304 --> 00:40:38,773 Roe v. Wade, in the grand scheme of things, 777 00:40:38,806 --> 00:40:41,409 is not that important. 778 00:40:41,442 --> 00:40:42,543 The Vuitch case! 779 00:40:42,577 --> 00:40:45,113 I don't-I don't see the correlation. 780 00:40:45,146 --> 00:40:47,215 These people, they want-they want abortion 781 00:40:47,247 --> 00:40:49,050 for reasons other than life or health. 782 00:40:49,083 --> 00:40:50,451 They want abortion on demand. 783 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,921 Well, we'll see. 784 00:41:03,197 --> 00:41:05,133 What's all the commotion, my jurists? 785 00:41:06,934 --> 00:41:09,971 Professor, everyone's talking about what's happening in Texas. 786 00:41:10,004 --> 00:41:11,506 Is that what's on your minds? 787 00:41:11,539 --> 00:41:13,808 Only fanatics are against abortion. 788 00:41:13,841 --> 00:41:15,109 Oh, really? 789 00:41:17,145 --> 00:41:18,179 Mother Teresa? 790 00:41:18,212 --> 00:41:20,014 Martin Luther King? The Dalai Lama? 791 00:41:21,883 --> 00:41:23,484 "It would seem to me clear as daylight 792 00:41:23,518 --> 00:41:25,353 - that abortion would be a crime." - Mahatma Gandhi. 793 00:41:25,386 --> 00:41:26,521 Fanatics? 794 00:41:26,554 --> 00:41:28,189 None of them were getting pregnant. 795 00:41:28,222 --> 00:41:30,992 Regardless, we should have the right to control our own bodies. 796 00:41:31,025 --> 00:41:32,994 Yes, one should have the right 797 00:41:33,027 --> 00:41:34,996 to do whatever she wants with her own actual body. 798 00:41:35,029 --> 00:41:36,764 But let me ask you something. 799 00:41:36,798 --> 00:41:39,433 What happens when that body 800 00:41:39,467 --> 00:41:41,969 starts to interfere with another body? 801 00:41:42,003 --> 00:41:43,004 You mean, the rights of the fetus? 802 00:41:43,037 --> 00:41:45,706 It is part of our own bodies. 803 00:41:45,740 --> 00:41:47,375 All of your body parts 804 00:41:47,408 --> 00:41:51,045 share the same DNA, except the fetus. 805 00:41:51,078 --> 00:41:53,381 So, the child, by definition, 806 00:41:53,414 --> 00:41:56,684 is not part of anyone's body but their own. 807 00:41:56,717 --> 00:41:58,152 But how can you say it's a life? 808 00:41:58,186 --> 00:41:59,487 It can't live without the mother. 809 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,956 Well, Dan. 810 00:42:01,989 --> 00:42:03,491 Were you able to feed yourself 811 00:42:03,524 --> 00:42:05,359 without your mother, the day after you were born? 812 00:42:05,393 --> 00:42:06,794 - Well. - Not even a one-year-old 813 00:42:06,828 --> 00:42:09,130 or a two-year-old can take care of themselves. 814 00:42:09,163 --> 00:42:11,699 Dan can't even take care of himself now. 815 00:42:14,068 --> 00:42:15,069 You think this is funny? 816 00:42:16,871 --> 00:42:20,208 You all protest the killing in Vietnam. 817 00:42:20,241 --> 00:42:23,010 So, am I confused, or is this just hypocrisy? 818 00:42:23,044 --> 00:42:24,212 The elderly, 819 00:42:24,245 --> 00:42:26,747 the handicapped, the incapacitated, 820 00:42:26,781 --> 00:42:28,149 they can't take care of themselves. 821 00:42:28,182 --> 00:42:29,517 Should we eliminate them too? 822 00:42:29,550 --> 00:42:31,085 What about birth defects? 823 00:42:31,118 --> 00:42:34,522 To kill an unborn child because of defects 824 00:42:34,555 --> 00:42:37,692 is what the Nazis used to do to the Jews. 825 00:42:37,725 --> 00:42:38,926 Let me give you a riddle. 826 00:42:42,063 --> 00:42:43,831 The father, 827 00:42:43,865 --> 00:42:45,666 syphilitic. 828 00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:47,535 The mother had tuberculosis. 829 00:42:47,568 --> 00:42:50,705 Of their four children, one was blind, the second died, 830 00:42:50,738 --> 00:42:52,106 the third was deaf and dumb, 831 00:42:52,139 --> 00:42:53,641 and the fourth had tuberculosis, too. 832 00:42:56,277 --> 00:42:57,745 If the mother got pregnant again, 833 00:43:00,448 --> 00:43:01,949 what would you do with the baby? 834 00:43:01,983 --> 00:43:03,284 I wouldn't want my child 835 00:43:03,318 --> 00:43:05,553 to grow up disabled and suffer. 836 00:43:05,586 --> 00:43:07,121 You would have killed Beethoven. 837 00:43:08,556 --> 00:43:11,425 Don't you think that someone's hopelessness 838 00:43:11,459 --> 00:43:15,364 should motivate us to protect them, 839 00:43:15,396 --> 00:43:16,931 not destroy them? 840 00:43:23,305 --> 00:43:24,438 Is everything okay? 841 00:43:26,741 --> 00:43:31,979 I.I can't take care of a baby right now. 842 00:43:32,013 --> 00:43:32,847 I see. 843 00:43:34,349 --> 00:43:36,751 And I can't tell my family about this. 844 00:43:41,422 --> 00:43:42,823 They can't know. 845 00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:46,894 You do know I love you, right? 846 00:43:46,928 --> 00:43:49,096 I can't take care of a baby right now. 847 00:44:03,678 --> 00:44:05,112 My life is over. 848 00:44:05,146 --> 00:44:07,081 I'm so sorry, Mary. 849 00:44:07,114 --> 00:44:09,450 The hospital limits me with quotas. 850 00:44:09,483 --> 00:44:11,786 So, each of you are only permitted to do 851 00:44:11,819 --> 00:44:13,322 20 abortions a week. 852 00:44:13,355 --> 00:44:14,789 That's like saying I've done too many gall bladders 853 00:44:14,822 --> 00:44:16,490 but I can still do hernia repairs. 854 00:44:16,524 --> 00:44:18,826 This is a democratic approach. 855 00:44:18,859 --> 00:44:21,629 To limit a woman's access to health care? 856 00:44:21,662 --> 00:44:24,131 Staff members should have equal access to beds and ORs. 857 00:44:24,165 --> 00:44:25,833 I've already fulfilled my quota. 858 00:44:25,866 --> 00:44:28,936 Dr. Berg won't do abortions, let me use his. 859 00:44:28,970 --> 00:44:31,839 We can't transfer another doctor's quotas to you. 860 00:44:31,872 --> 00:44:37,278 Hah, I get this. I get what's going on here. 861 00:44:37,312 --> 00:44:40,047 This is an attack on us! Why? 862 00:44:40,081 --> 00:44:43,484 Because we were the ones outspoken on reform? 863 00:44:43,517 --> 00:44:45,720 Yeah, I've heard the whispers in the locker room 864 00:44:45,753 --> 00:44:47,521 and I've gotten the looks in the hallway, 865 00:44:47,555 --> 00:44:49,690 the half portions in the cafeteria, 866 00:44:49,724 --> 00:44:52,293 the sneers and the nicknames. 867 00:44:52,327 --> 00:44:55,629 This isn't high school. You can't hurt me. 868 00:44:55,663 --> 00:44:57,131 Because I'm proud of what I do, 869 00:44:57,164 --> 00:44:59,633 and I'm proud to help the women of this country. 870 00:44:59,667 --> 00:45:02,471 So, if you wanna humiliate me 871 00:45:02,503 --> 00:45:06,707 and call me the Scraper behind my back, 872 00:45:06,741 --> 00:45:09,510 I'll wear it as a badge of honor. 873 00:45:09,543 --> 00:45:14,582 Or if you wanna ridicule me and call me the Abortion King, 874 00:45:14,615 --> 00:45:17,685 I'll wear that title with pride. 875 00:45:17,718 --> 00:45:19,920 Because when a woman is at her wits' end, 876 00:45:19,954 --> 00:45:21,689 and she has no one else to turn to, 877 00:45:21,722 --> 00:45:24,258 when she's too frightened to tell her family 878 00:45:24,291 --> 00:45:26,927 or fears going to the butcher, 879 00:45:26,961 --> 00:45:28,596 when she has to spend her last dime 880 00:45:28,629 --> 00:45:30,097 to catch the Greyhound 881 00:45:30,131 --> 00:45:32,434 or hitchhike her way to New York, 882 00:45:32,467 --> 00:45:36,270 when she breaks down in tears crying out for her savior 883 00:45:36,304 --> 00:45:40,207 and when your God can't help her, Kenneth. 884 00:45:41,776 --> 00:45:44,078 Who do you think she's crying for? 885 00:45:51,118 --> 00:45:52,720 I decided to fight back, 886 00:45:52,753 --> 00:45:55,390 so I had Larry call and leak the story to the press 887 00:45:55,424 --> 00:45:57,625 and feed some of this good raw meat 888 00:45:57,658 --> 00:45:59,660 to the drooling beasts in the media. 889 00:46:01,128 --> 00:46:02,897 Yeah. Hi, Kate? 890 00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:04,899 Yes, Larry Lader. 891 00:46:04,932 --> 00:46:06,801 How are you? 892 00:46:06,834 --> 00:46:09,136 I have a story for you. 893 00:46:11,306 --> 00:46:13,408 Hi. I was hoping to speak to someone 894 00:46:13,442 --> 00:46:15,176 about the quotas you put on abortions. 895 00:46:20,081 --> 00:46:22,883 It's amazing how the quotas magically dried up. 896 00:46:22,917 --> 00:46:26,053 Time of death? 897 00:46:26,087 --> 00:46:28,155 And the Medicine section of Time Magazine 898 00:46:28,189 --> 00:46:29,990 had a three-column spread. 899 00:46:31,493 --> 00:46:34,662 Thanks for getting those quotas lifted, Your Majesty. 900 00:46:34,695 --> 00:46:36,163 Aw. Thank you, Sire. 901 00:46:36,197 --> 00:46:38,999 Your favorite, corn flakes. 902 00:46:41,369 --> 00:46:45,272 You know that John Harvey Kellogg 903 00:46:45,307 --> 00:46:49,243 created corn flakes as an anti-aphrodisiac. 904 00:46:49,276 --> 00:46:53,114 He believed bland foods decreased sex drive. 905 00:46:53,147 --> 00:46:54,416 Oh, well. 906 00:46:54,449 --> 00:46:57,284 I hope that's not true, for Joan's sake. 907 00:46:57,319 --> 00:46:59,286 Did I miss something? 908 00:46:59,321 --> 00:47:01,523 Yeah, your husband's trivial knowledge. 909 00:47:01,556 --> 00:47:04,125 He also founded the Race Betterment Foundation 910 00:47:04,158 --> 00:47:06,827 which paved the way for Margaret Sanger. 911 00:47:06,861 --> 00:47:08,662 Don't eat that. 912 00:47:08,696 --> 00:47:09,630 Huh? 913 00:47:13,834 --> 00:47:15,537 Are you gonna stop me? 914 00:47:15,570 --> 00:47:16,737 Eat up. 915 00:47:27,014 --> 00:47:29,584 Could you quiet them down, Joan? 916 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,456 Let me show you somethin'. 917 00:47:35,756 --> 00:47:37,691 We need to come up with a jingle. 918 00:47:37,725 --> 00:47:39,528 Something catchy. 919 00:47:39,561 --> 00:47:41,996 Bernie, what was that song you told me about? 920 00:47:42,029 --> 00:47:44,865 The one that doctors used to sing during your residency. 921 00:47:44,899 --> 00:47:46,501 Oh, I can't do that. 922 00:47:46,535 --> 00:47:48,035 - I can't... - You have a song? 923 00:47:49,404 --> 00:47:50,572 Aw, come on, Bernie. Don't be shy. 924 00:47:50,605 --> 00:47:52,039 No way, no, no, no, no. 925 00:47:52,072 --> 00:47:53,174 Let it out. 926 00:47:53,207 --> 00:47:54,675 I'm no Stravinsky. I can't, I can't... 927 00:47:54,708 --> 00:47:58,480 Well, Joan is. Joan! Joan, help. 928 00:47:58,513 --> 00:48:00,181 Why don't you get us started. 929 00:48:00,214 --> 00:48:02,183 - I'll join in. - Ah. 930 00:48:02,216 --> 00:48:03,518 Come on. Come on, Bernie. 931 00:48:03,552 --> 00:48:04,818 Okay, fine, fine, fine. 932 00:48:04,852 --> 00:48:06,421 Sing it! 933 00:48:07,522 --> 00:48:08,590 Okay. Fine. 934 00:48:08,623 --> 00:48:12,661 ♪ There's a fortune In abortion ♪ 935 00:48:12,693 --> 00:48:16,897 ♪ Just a twist of the wrist And you're through ♪ 936 00:48:16,931 --> 00:48:21,536 ♪ The population of the nation ♪ 937 00:48:21,570 --> 00:48:25,005 ♪ Won't grow If it's left up to you ♪ 938 00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:29,678 ♪ There's a fortune In abortion ♪ 939 00:48:29,710 --> 00:48:33,781 ♪ There's a gold mine In the sex line ♪ 940 00:48:33,814 --> 00:48:38,520 ♪ Only rabbits Have those habits ♪ 941 00:48:38,553 --> 00:48:43,290 ♪ Oh there's a fortune In abortion ♪ 942 00:48:43,325 --> 00:48:48,762 ♪ You never bother The future father ♪ 943 00:48:48,796 --> 00:48:50,264 I found the Catholics! 944 00:48:50,297 --> 00:48:51,899 Those Vatican devils, 945 00:48:51,932 --> 00:48:53,934 starting right here with the big cheese: 946 00:48:53,968 --> 00:48:56,471 Cardinal Cooke, Father McHugh, 947 00:48:56,504 --> 00:48:58,872 Robert Byrn, Charlie Rice, 948 00:48:58,906 --> 00:49:01,409 Ellen McCormack, even Ed Golden. 949 00:49:01,443 --> 00:49:04,044 If we're gonna succeed, people have gotta be scared! 950 00:49:04,078 --> 00:49:06,280 Well, men are governed by lines of intellect, 951 00:49:06,314 --> 00:49:07,982 women by curves of emotion. 952 00:49:08,015 --> 00:49:09,618 That's our Catholic strategy, right there. 953 00:49:09,651 --> 00:49:11,118 Perfect. 954 00:49:11,151 --> 00:49:13,421 Well, these guys have been scaring people for years! 955 00:49:13,455 --> 00:49:15,055 How are we looking on the new numbers? 956 00:49:15,089 --> 00:49:17,091 A million illegal abortions a year; 957 00:49:17,124 --> 00:49:18,792 10,000 die in back alleys. 958 00:49:18,826 --> 00:49:20,662 I completely made that up. 959 00:49:20,695 --> 00:49:22,963 A million illegal abortions a year? 960 00:49:22,997 --> 00:49:26,934 Ten thousand die in back alleys? Not even close. 961 00:49:26,967 --> 00:49:28,670 That's like a hand grenade in a maternity ward. 962 00:49:28,703 --> 00:49:31,805 But we need slogans, battle cries. 963 00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:32,973 Not statistics. 964 00:49:33,007 --> 00:49:34,342 People trust numbers. 965 00:49:34,376 --> 00:49:35,510 Yeah. 966 00:49:35,543 --> 00:49:38,279 Cyril's right. People do trust numbers. 967 00:49:38,313 --> 00:49:40,348 But Betty is also right. 968 00:49:40,382 --> 00:49:42,283 People need something to grab on to, 969 00:49:42,317 --> 00:49:44,452 something to hook in their brains 970 00:49:44,486 --> 00:49:46,186 that feel like they're part of the movement. 971 00:49:46,220 --> 00:49:47,154 You want a slogan? 972 00:49:47,187 --> 00:49:48,122 Yeah. 973 00:49:49,223 --> 00:49:50,858 I have a slogan. 974 00:49:50,891 --> 00:49:53,927 It's a woman's body. It's her right to choose. 975 00:49:53,961 --> 00:49:55,664 We are the pro-choice people. 976 00:49:55,697 --> 00:49:57,365 - That's amazing. - Pro-choice. 977 00:49:57,399 --> 00:49:58,466 Uh-huh. 978 00:49:58,500 --> 00:49:59,833 Pro... we're pro-choice. 979 00:49:59,867 --> 00:50:03,338 Yes, it's-it's pro-freedom, it-it's pro-liberty. 980 00:50:03,371 --> 00:50:04,972 Who can argue with it? 981 00:50:05,005 --> 00:50:07,141 They came up with the slogan... pro-choice. 982 00:50:07,174 --> 00:50:09,009 Pro-choice? 983 00:50:10,645 --> 00:50:14,549 What an evasive, fraudulent and deceptive term. 984 00:50:14,582 --> 00:50:16,116 According to recent statistics, 985 00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:18,720 over one million women are having illegal abortions 986 00:50:18,753 --> 00:50:20,287 every year in America. 987 00:50:20,322 --> 00:50:22,056 And over 10,000 are dying 988 00:50:22,089 --> 00:50:24,191 from these back alley type procedures. 989 00:50:28,430 --> 00:50:30,332 Why aren't we taking our own polls? 990 00:50:30,365 --> 00:50:32,467 They told the press that one in three Catholics 991 00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:33,735 are for abortion! 992 00:50:33,768 --> 00:50:35,035 Because we don't have the money! 993 00:50:35,069 --> 00:50:36,170 Why didn't this Jane Roe 994 00:50:36,203 --> 00:50:38,005 just give the baby up for adoption? 995 00:50:38,038 --> 00:50:40,742 There is a long waiting list for white babies. 996 00:50:42,042 --> 00:50:42,943 This was political. 997 00:50:45,012 --> 00:50:46,348 Judge Hughes kept her hidden. 998 00:50:48,350 --> 00:50:50,585 We gotta get Wade on the phone. 999 00:50:55,889 --> 00:50:56,990 District Attorney's office, 1000 00:50:57,024 --> 00:50:58,058 may I help you? 1001 00:50:58,092 --> 00:50:59,761 Robert Byrn for Henry Wade. 1002 00:50:59,794 --> 00:51:01,696 What can I do for you, Bobby? 1003 00:51:01,730 --> 00:51:03,365 I've got the team here. 1004 00:51:03,398 --> 00:51:05,533 The Supreme Court will hear the case! 1005 00:51:07,301 --> 00:51:08,536 Let us know if we can help. 1006 00:51:11,373 --> 00:51:12,574 It was time to prepare 1007 00:51:12,607 --> 00:51:13,608 for the Supreme Court. 1008 00:51:14,908 --> 00:51:16,877 While some focused on saving lives, 1009 00:51:19,547 --> 00:51:21,281 others had no idea what was coming. 1010 00:51:23,785 --> 00:51:25,919 Everyone had their own agenda. 1011 00:51:25,953 --> 00:51:27,856 We used Sarah and the lawyers from Planned Parenthood 1012 00:51:27,888 --> 00:51:28,989 to fulfill ours. 1013 00:51:31,826 --> 00:51:33,395 Certainties as unquestioned 1014 00:51:33,428 --> 00:51:36,731 as the U.S. Constitution itself, trembled! 1015 00:51:56,584 --> 00:51:58,152 All rise! 1016 00:52:14,469 --> 00:52:17,070 There were still only seven justices 1017 00:52:17,104 --> 00:52:18,972 because Nixon still wasn't able to 1018 00:52:19,006 --> 00:52:20,842 get his two picks confirmed. 1019 00:52:23,711 --> 00:52:25,914 I am completely out of my depth. 1020 00:52:25,946 --> 00:52:27,281 Don't be nervous. 1021 00:52:27,315 --> 00:52:29,149 You had the best of the best prepare you. 1022 00:52:30,017 --> 00:52:31,453 You'll be fine. 1023 00:52:58,580 --> 00:53:02,182 We will hear arguments 1024 00:53:02,216 --> 00:53:05,620 in Roe against Wade. 1025 00:53:05,653 --> 00:53:07,822 Mrs. Weddington, you may proceed. 1026 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,169 Mr. Chief Justice, may it please the court. 1027 00:53:23,872 --> 00:53:26,641 The court declared the Texas abortion law 1028 00:53:26,674 --> 00:53:30,077 to be unconstitutional for two reasons. 1029 00:53:30,110 --> 00:53:32,914 First, the law was vague, 1030 00:53:32,947 --> 00:53:36,518 and second, it violated a woman's right 1031 00:53:36,551 --> 00:53:39,587 to continue or terminate a pregnancy. 1032 00:53:39,621 --> 00:53:42,657 The Texas law permits abortions be performed 1033 00:53:42,690 --> 00:53:45,693 only for the purpose of saving the life of the woman. 1034 00:53:47,529 --> 00:53:50,097 When this case of yours 1035 00:53:50,130 --> 00:53:51,666 was in the district court, 1036 00:53:51,699 --> 00:53:54,736 the case of Vuitch against the United States 1037 00:53:54,769 --> 00:53:57,005 had not been decided here. 1038 00:53:57,037 --> 00:53:58,071 That is correct. 1039 00:53:58,105 --> 00:53:59,607 Now that it has, 1040 00:53:59,641 --> 00:54:01,509 do you think that that disposes of 1041 00:54:01,543 --> 00:54:03,578 some of the questions you're raising now? 1042 00:54:03,611 --> 00:54:05,947 Your Honor, I do not. 1043 00:54:05,980 --> 00:54:07,515 In the Vuitch decision, 1044 00:54:07,549 --> 00:54:10,418 this court was working with a statute which provided 1045 00:54:10,451 --> 00:54:12,252 that an abortion could be permitted 1046 00:54:12,286 --> 00:54:14,556 for reasons of health or life. 1047 00:54:14,589 --> 00:54:17,592 Does Texas law, in other areas of the law, 1048 00:54:17,625 --> 00:54:19,961 give rights to the unborn? 1049 00:54:19,994 --> 00:54:24,699 In an area such as trusts, estates, wills or elsewhere? 1050 00:54:24,732 --> 00:54:27,936 The Supreme Court of Texas recently held a case 1051 00:54:27,969 --> 00:54:31,138 in which there is action for prenatal injuries at any stage 1052 00:54:31,171 --> 00:54:33,942 prior to birth, but only upon the condition 1053 00:54:33,975 --> 00:54:35,743 that it be born alive. 1054 00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:53,995 Mr. Justice, it's an old joke, 1055 00:54:54,028 --> 00:54:58,733 but when a man argues against two beautiful ladies, 1056 00:54:58,766 --> 00:55:00,200 they're gonna have the last word. 1057 00:55:06,139 --> 00:55:10,645 As to the-as to the unmarried pregnant female, 1058 00:55:10,678 --> 00:55:13,180 a unique situation arises. 1059 00:55:13,213 --> 00:55:14,616 Is her action moot? 1060 00:55:16,451 --> 00:55:19,020 It has been recognized by the appellant's counsel 1061 00:55:19,053 --> 00:55:21,923 that she is no longer pregnant. 1062 00:55:21,956 --> 00:55:25,360 Of course, if moot, there is no case or controversy. 1063 00:55:25,393 --> 00:55:27,428 - Class action, wasn't it? - Yes, 1064 00:55:27,462 --> 00:55:29,296 but the whole purpose of class action 1065 00:55:29,330 --> 00:55:32,199 is to have a representative in court. 1066 00:55:32,232 --> 00:55:34,769 So, what procedure would you suggest 1067 00:55:34,802 --> 00:55:38,205 for any pregnant female in the State of Texas 1068 00:55:38,238 --> 00:55:42,010 to ever get judicial consideration? 1069 00:55:42,043 --> 00:55:43,478 We can take judicial notice 1070 00:55:43,511 --> 00:55:45,647 of the fact that at any given moment, 1071 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,550 there are unwed pregnant females in the State of Texas. 1072 00:55:52,219 --> 00:55:53,888 I think she makes her choice 1073 00:55:53,921 --> 00:55:56,357 prior to the time that she becomes pregnant. 1074 00:55:56,391 --> 00:55:58,559 Maybe she makes her choice 1075 00:55:58,593 --> 00:56:01,629 when she decides to live in Texas. 1076 00:56:10,538 --> 00:56:12,540 It should've been debated in Congress, not here. 1077 00:56:14,174 --> 00:56:15,977 "Courts are the mere instruments of the law, 1078 00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:17,478 and can will nothing." John Marshall. 1079 00:56:17,512 --> 00:56:18,880 Politicians don't have the courage 1080 00:56:18,913 --> 00:56:20,314 to argue with the legislature. 1081 00:56:20,348 --> 00:56:21,416 The right to life 1082 00:56:21,449 --> 00:56:22,583 is the cornerstone of our government. 1083 00:56:22,617 --> 00:56:24,385 It's a foundation of the Constitution. 1084 00:56:24,419 --> 00:56:27,588 They were mocking him in there. 1085 00:56:27,622 --> 00:56:29,924 I don't even know why this is in the Supreme Court. 1086 00:56:29,957 --> 00:56:31,592 There's no factual record in this case, 1087 00:56:31,626 --> 00:56:33,661 no trial, no expert witnesses, 1088 00:56:33,695 --> 00:56:35,163 no description of evidence, 1089 00:56:35,195 --> 00:56:37,197 no expert witness testimony. It didn't even go through 1090 00:56:37,230 --> 00:56:38,198 an appeal! 1091 00:56:38,231 --> 00:56:39,434 This is a conspiracy. 1092 00:56:39,467 --> 00:56:40,233 They're laughin' at him in there! 1093 00:56:40,267 --> 00:56:41,669 Laughin' at him! 1094 00:56:41,703 --> 00:56:43,270 They're not laughin' with him. They're laughin' at him! 1095 00:56:43,304 --> 00:56:45,440 It couldn't have been that bad. 1096 00:56:45,473 --> 00:56:47,341 You're a law professor. 1097 00:56:47,375 --> 00:56:49,744 He didn't even address the rights of the unborn 1098 00:56:49,777 --> 00:56:51,846 in property law, probate law, 1099 00:56:51,879 --> 00:56:54,782 criminal law, tort law, the list goes on. 1100 00:56:54,816 --> 00:56:58,519 The judges ask him what rights, if any, do the unborn have, 1101 00:56:58,553 --> 00:57:01,288 and he just stood there and didn't say anything. 1102 00:57:01,322 --> 00:57:03,124 I gotta go before I blow a gasket! 1103 00:57:06,494 --> 00:57:08,863 There's no more discussion for...? 1104 00:57:08,896 --> 00:57:10,431 For Roe? 1105 00:57:12,467 --> 00:57:13,801 The four justices on the right 1106 00:57:13,835 --> 00:57:15,636 with their hands up 1107 00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:19,440 voted to legalize abortion, while the three on the left, 1108 00:57:19,474 --> 00:57:23,911 including Chief Justice Burger, were supporting life. 1109 00:57:23,945 --> 00:57:27,181 This made it four to three in favor of abortion. 1110 00:57:40,094 --> 00:57:42,063 Apologize, gentlemen. 1111 00:57:42,096 --> 00:57:44,132 In the matter of Roe v. Wade, 1112 00:57:44,165 --> 00:57:47,001 I want the case reargued. 1113 00:57:47,034 --> 00:57:48,402 Chief Justice Burger was losing, 1114 00:57:48,436 --> 00:57:50,171 so he wanted the case reheard 1115 00:57:50,204 --> 00:57:53,741 to flip the vote in favor of life. 1116 00:57:53,775 --> 00:57:54,742 Well, besides the obvious, 1117 00:57:54,776 --> 00:57:56,077 what's your reasoning? 1118 00:57:56,110 --> 00:57:57,111 Four to three in favor of Roe, 1119 00:57:57,145 --> 00:57:58,513 it's very close. 1120 00:57:58,546 --> 00:57:59,914 We've had close decisions before. 1121 00:57:59,947 --> 00:58:01,249 Because it didn't go Warren's way. 1122 00:58:01,281 --> 00:58:02,583 That has nothing to do with it. 1123 00:58:02,617 --> 00:58:03,684 The importance of this issue 1124 00:58:03,718 --> 00:58:06,320 merits a full bench treatment. 1125 00:58:06,354 --> 00:58:07,355 Of course, Harry. 1126 00:58:07,388 --> 00:58:08,456 Because you're Warren's man. 1127 00:58:08,489 --> 00:58:09,791 I resent that. 1128 00:58:09,824 --> 00:58:11,626 You were best man at his wedding. 1129 00:58:11,659 --> 00:58:14,294 It was my idea to reargue in the first place. 1130 00:58:14,328 --> 00:58:18,032 Harry, you're here because he recommended you to Nixon. 1131 00:58:18,065 --> 00:58:20,201 Enough! We need to wait! 1132 00:58:20,234 --> 00:58:21,836 And why is that? Because this decision 1133 00:58:21,869 --> 00:58:24,672 might affect your old pal Nixon's re-election? 1134 00:58:24,705 --> 00:58:27,141 Really, Potter? 1135 00:58:27,175 --> 00:58:29,977 Can we rest the egos 1136 00:58:30,011 --> 00:58:32,313 and try to get a little work done, please? 1137 00:58:32,346 --> 00:58:34,682 Does anyone else have an opinion on this? 1138 00:58:34,715 --> 00:58:35,850 Yes, I don't see any problem 1139 00:58:35,883 --> 00:58:37,051 with rearguing. 1140 00:58:37,084 --> 00:58:38,553 Nixon opposes abortion, 1141 00:58:38,586 --> 00:58:41,289 so I'm sure his new justices will follow suit. 1142 00:58:41,322 --> 00:58:43,291 Two new justices voting Nixon's way 1143 00:58:43,324 --> 00:58:44,659 will change the outcome here. 1144 00:58:44,692 --> 00:58:46,394 Political allegiance should not affect 1145 00:58:46,427 --> 00:58:49,063 how we interpret the Constitution, gentlemen. 1146 00:58:49,096 --> 00:58:50,331 Yes, and with that, 1147 00:58:50,364 --> 00:58:52,400 I'm appointing Harry to pen the opinion. 1148 00:58:52,433 --> 00:58:54,635 I'm the senior justice in the majority. 1149 00:58:54,669 --> 00:58:56,704 I've got to agree with Bill, Warren. 1150 00:58:56,737 --> 00:58:58,506 - That's not standard protocol. - I'm the chief justice. 1151 00:58:58,539 --> 00:58:59,841 I determine protocol. 1152 00:58:59,874 --> 00:59:02,543 You are trying to control this, Warren, old buddy. 1153 00:59:02,577 --> 00:59:04,245 That is completely unethical. 1154 00:59:04,278 --> 00:59:05,880 Aren't you the one that pushed this case? 1155 00:59:08,749 --> 00:59:10,384 All those in favor of rearguing? 1156 00:59:12,553 --> 00:59:13,588 They voted six to one 1157 00:59:13,621 --> 00:59:16,357 to reargue Roe v. Wade. 1158 00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:19,827 There you go. That's it. 1159 00:59:19,861 --> 00:59:21,929 Justice Douglas was the only one 1160 00:59:21,963 --> 00:59:23,731 to oppose hearing the case again. 1161 00:59:30,271 --> 00:59:31,639 - William? - Hmm. 1162 00:59:32,740 --> 00:59:33,875 Bill. 1163 00:59:41,148 --> 00:59:42,683 It's a letter of protest 1164 00:59:42,717 --> 00:59:45,019 including my draft dissent to reargue. 1165 00:59:45,052 --> 00:59:46,520 The draft dissent 1166 00:59:46,554 --> 00:59:49,957 is a formal letter that outlines Justice Douglas' reasons 1167 00:59:49,991 --> 00:59:54,962 as to why he thought Roe v. Wade should not be reheard. 1168 00:59:54,996 --> 00:59:56,430 And why are you giving this to me? 1169 00:59:58,399 --> 01:00:01,402 Burger abused his power. 1170 01:00:01,435 --> 01:00:03,070 I'm the senior justice after him, 1171 01:00:03,104 --> 01:00:05,406 he was supposed to assign the case to me. 1172 01:00:05,439 --> 01:00:07,909 That's already been decided, okay? 1173 01:00:07,942 --> 01:00:09,410 Get off that. 1174 01:00:09,443 --> 01:00:10,444 Chief Justice is going to make sure 1175 01:00:10,478 --> 01:00:12,079 that we reargue this case. 1176 01:00:12,113 --> 01:00:15,750 The Senate just confirmed Rehnquist and Powell. 1177 01:00:15,783 --> 01:00:18,052 That will flip the decision. 1178 01:00:18,085 --> 01:00:19,120 You see, Justice Douglas 1179 01:00:19,153 --> 01:00:21,055 supported Jane Roe, 1180 01:00:21,088 --> 01:00:23,291 and right now, the vote was four to three 1181 01:00:23,325 --> 01:00:25,493 in his favor to win. 1182 01:00:25,526 --> 01:00:28,462 He was afraid if there was gonna be a reargument 1183 01:00:28,496 --> 01:00:32,099 with two new justices, the vote would flip 1184 01:00:32,133 --> 01:00:34,702 and it would be five-four, and he would lose. 1185 01:00:40,474 --> 01:00:42,176 Has Burger seen this? 1186 01:00:42,209 --> 01:00:43,678 Not yet. 1187 01:00:46,381 --> 01:00:48,417 You cannot send this letter to the press. 1188 01:00:48,449 --> 01:00:49,784 Promise me you're voting with us. 1189 01:00:49,817 --> 01:00:51,152 How dare you! 1190 01:00:51,185 --> 01:00:53,587 Promise me now, or this is going to be published. 1191 01:00:53,621 --> 01:00:55,289 You will disgrace the court. 1192 01:00:55,324 --> 01:00:57,258 If you don't wanna see that in the Post, 1193 01:00:57,291 --> 01:00:58,960 you need to assure me that a reargument 1194 01:00:58,993 --> 01:01:00,728 will not change your vote. 1195 01:01:19,513 --> 01:01:21,482 You need to make an issue of this. 1196 01:01:21,515 --> 01:01:23,352 I don't understand how a single justice 1197 01:01:23,385 --> 01:01:25,186 can order things his way. 1198 01:01:25,219 --> 01:01:26,988 Now you know how women feel. 1199 01:01:27,021 --> 01:01:28,656 I'm late, I have to get to the clinic. 1200 01:01:28,689 --> 01:01:30,958 I wish you wouldn't spend so much time at that place. 1201 01:01:30,992 --> 01:01:32,159 That place? 1202 01:01:32,193 --> 01:01:33,395 Planned Parenthood? 1203 01:01:33,428 --> 01:01:34,996 You don't want us supporting women? 1204 01:01:37,098 --> 01:01:38,666 We'll talk about it later. 1205 01:01:38,699 --> 01:01:39,867 Okay. 1206 01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:41,336 - Andy. - William. 1207 01:01:41,370 --> 01:01:42,703 - You're looking lovely. - Thank you. 1208 01:01:46,441 --> 01:01:47,842 Planned Parenthood? 1209 01:01:47,875 --> 01:01:49,877 Planned Parenthood? 1210 01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:53,382 Nobody knew Justice Stewart's wife worked there. 1211 01:01:53,415 --> 01:01:55,317 You need to recuse yourself. 1212 01:01:55,350 --> 01:01:56,650 Look, Bill. 1213 01:01:56,684 --> 01:01:58,586 My wife volunteers there, not me. 1214 01:01:58,619 --> 01:02:00,389 This is a major conflict of interest. 1215 01:02:00,422 --> 01:02:02,690 If word got out. 1216 01:02:02,723 --> 01:02:04,925 Please, you need to control your home. 1217 01:02:04,959 --> 01:02:07,194 What Burger did was worse. 1218 01:02:07,228 --> 01:02:08,763 He appointed Harry to write the opinion. 1219 01:02:08,796 --> 01:02:11,198 That is a gross abandonment of protocol. 1220 01:02:11,232 --> 01:02:13,034 We were ready to vote this four-three. 1221 01:02:15,636 --> 01:02:18,373 Potter, here's my letter and dissent. 1222 01:02:18,407 --> 01:02:19,940 You know what I resent? 1223 01:02:19,974 --> 01:02:21,776 I resent the fact that Burger thinks 1224 01:02:21,809 --> 01:02:24,078 he has Rehnquist and Powell in his pocket. 1225 01:02:24,111 --> 01:02:25,880 They're brand new, 1226 01:02:25,913 --> 01:02:27,681 and Burger acts like he owns the court. 1227 01:02:27,715 --> 01:02:30,117 But he has no right to hold this up for those two. 1228 01:02:30,151 --> 01:02:32,553 He wants to make sure the vote goes his way, 1229 01:02:32,586 --> 01:02:34,688 that's why he's demanding a reargument. 1230 01:02:34,722 --> 01:02:36,090 Right. And that will flip the vote 1231 01:02:36,123 --> 01:02:37,725 and we lose five-four. 1232 01:02:37,758 --> 01:02:41,095 If we don't sort this out, fur will fly today. 1233 01:02:56,445 --> 01:02:57,978 You see, in the end, 1234 01:02:58,012 --> 01:03:00,415 it was Justice Stewart who leaked the court's internal vote 1235 01:03:00,449 --> 01:03:02,049 to the Washington Post. 1236 01:03:02,083 --> 01:03:04,553 He wanted to stop the case from being reheard 1237 01:03:04,585 --> 01:03:07,254 because he wanted abortion legalized. 1238 01:03:07,288 --> 01:03:09,123 So, Judge, how's the wife? 1239 01:03:09,156 --> 01:03:11,292 Cut the small talk, Bob. 1240 01:03:11,326 --> 01:03:13,462 Look, I understand your wife was a volunteer 1241 01:03:13,495 --> 01:03:16,130 for Planned Parenthood. Is that why we're here? 1242 01:03:16,163 --> 01:03:17,832 Absolutely not. 1243 01:03:17,865 --> 01:03:20,167 All my decisions have to do with law and the Constitution. 1244 01:03:20,201 --> 01:03:21,702 Now, let's get this over with. 1245 01:03:28,709 --> 01:03:30,644 Are you sure you want to give this to me? 1246 01:03:30,678 --> 01:03:31,946 Burger is gonna hit the roof 1247 01:03:31,979 --> 01:03:34,014 when he sees this on the front page of the Post. 1248 01:03:34,048 --> 01:03:35,983 Yeah, well, he deserves it. 1249 01:03:52,700 --> 01:03:54,935 I wish you hadn't given me this case. 1250 01:03:54,969 --> 01:03:56,471 Have you-have you seen the Post this morning? 1251 01:03:56,505 --> 01:03:58,772 I saw it. 1252 01:03:58,806 --> 01:04:00,575 - I saw it! - Now everyone knows how I voted. 1253 01:04:02,243 --> 01:04:03,878 The media is outrageous. 1254 01:04:03,911 --> 01:04:06,348 Media? There's a leak! 1255 01:04:06,381 --> 01:04:08,583 The appetite for this nonsense is only worse. 1256 01:04:10,217 --> 01:04:11,986 How long we been friends? 1257 01:04:12,019 --> 01:04:13,854 Dayton Bluff Elementary. 1258 01:04:15,890 --> 01:04:17,158 It wasn't you, was it? 1259 01:04:22,330 --> 01:04:23,264 I'm sorry. 1260 01:04:25,099 --> 01:04:26,734 I'm out of sorts. 1261 01:04:26,767 --> 01:04:31,839 My family, my own family, is up in arms about my vote. 1262 01:04:31,872 --> 01:04:32,973 They've been watching television. 1263 01:04:33,007 --> 01:04:35,943 I don't-I don't know what to do, Harry. 1264 01:04:42,850 --> 01:04:46,754 Warren. I question my competency. 1265 01:04:48,523 --> 01:04:49,558 Don't. 1266 01:04:52,927 --> 01:04:55,930 Your decade of counsel with the Mayo Clinic, 1267 01:04:57,365 --> 01:04:59,501 it will be very helpful here. 1268 01:04:59,534 --> 01:05:02,236 I've only been here a year. 1269 01:05:02,269 --> 01:05:05,072 We gotta control this, Harry. 1270 01:05:05,105 --> 01:05:06,441 It's gotten out of hand. 1271 01:05:06,474 --> 01:05:07,775 Do you know what they're calling me? 1272 01:05:09,311 --> 01:05:10,778 Your boy. 1273 01:05:10,811 --> 01:05:16,351 They are calling me your boy, the Minnesota Twin. 1274 01:05:16,384 --> 01:05:19,753 I trust you, Harry, and I need your help. 1275 01:05:19,787 --> 01:05:21,255 I need your support here. 1276 01:05:27,962 --> 01:05:29,964 I'm on the fence. 1277 01:05:29,997 --> 01:05:31,732 Harry, with all this public pressure, 1278 01:05:31,765 --> 01:05:33,067 we've got to get this right. 1279 01:05:33,100 --> 01:05:35,970 We're going to be remembered for this. 1280 01:05:36,003 --> 01:05:37,639 Perhaps this is beyond the authority 1281 01:05:37,672 --> 01:05:39,073 of the Supreme Court. 1282 01:05:41,175 --> 01:05:43,811 We are the law of the land, Harry. 1283 01:05:46,247 --> 01:05:47,915 We are the law of the land. 1284 01:05:53,488 --> 01:05:56,056 Abortion was still illegal in Texas. 1285 01:05:56,090 --> 01:05:59,093 So, every Friday, the flight from Dallas to El Paso 1286 01:05:59,126 --> 01:06:00,294 was booked solid. 1287 01:06:00,328 --> 01:06:01,329 They landed 1288 01:06:01,363 --> 01:06:02,597 and crossed the border. 1289 01:06:02,631 --> 01:06:04,999 It was called the Abortion Flight. 1290 01:06:05,032 --> 01:06:06,568 Planned Parenthood and NARAL 1291 01:06:06,601 --> 01:06:08,670 fundraised at the Playboy Mansion. 1292 01:06:08,703 --> 01:06:10,338 I mean, it's kind of hypocritical 1293 01:06:10,372 --> 01:06:11,640 that we exploited women 1294 01:06:11,673 --> 01:06:13,240 for women's rights, 1295 01:06:13,274 --> 01:06:15,677 but hey, anything for a good cause. 1296 01:06:18,613 --> 01:06:20,114 Larry and I were on a roll. 1297 01:06:20,147 --> 01:06:22,617 We were performing 200 abortions a day, 1298 01:06:22,651 --> 01:06:25,152 which was making my clinic 50 grand. 1299 01:06:25,185 --> 01:06:28,155 Today, that would be like half a million a week. 1300 01:06:37,666 --> 01:06:41,035 And that's how I became a published author. 1301 01:06:41,068 --> 01:06:42,604 That's so far out. 1302 01:06:42,637 --> 01:06:43,871 You know, Larry here changed the laws 1303 01:06:43,904 --> 01:06:46,140 in half the country, singlehandedly. 1304 01:06:46,173 --> 01:06:48,476 Bernie and I own most of the clinics in New York. 1305 01:06:48,510 --> 01:06:50,210 Oh, my god. That's sick. 1306 01:06:50,244 --> 01:06:51,613 And how did you do that? 1307 01:06:51,646 --> 01:06:53,180 We control the media. 1308 01:06:53,213 --> 01:06:55,015 Get real. 1309 01:06:55,049 --> 01:06:56,116 We do. 1310 01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:57,951 They write whatever we tell them. 1311 01:06:57,985 --> 01:07:00,187 This one time, we got the New York Times 1312 01:07:00,220 --> 01:07:01,489 to publish a poll 1313 01:07:01,523 --> 01:07:04,659 on how many doctors were in favor of abortion. 1314 01:07:04,693 --> 01:07:06,795 We said 87% sounded good. 1315 01:07:06,827 --> 01:07:09,497 How many doctors again was that out of, Larry? 1316 01:07:09,531 --> 01:07:11,165 About 40,000, I think. 1317 01:07:11,198 --> 01:07:13,200 Can you believe they printed that? 1318 01:07:13,233 --> 01:07:14,636 And then, we got them to say 1319 01:07:14,669 --> 01:07:18,473 that 60% of Americans favored abortion. 1320 01:07:18,506 --> 01:07:20,841 Why didn't you guys just do a real poll? 1321 01:07:20,874 --> 01:07:23,143 Because if a real poll was taken, 1322 01:07:23,177 --> 01:07:26,914 nowhere near 60% of Americans favored abortion. 1323 01:07:26,947 --> 01:07:30,884 So, we made it up, and the media didn't even question it. 1324 01:07:30,918 --> 01:07:33,655 This is a tactic of the self-fulfilling lie. 1325 01:07:33,688 --> 01:07:37,057 You see, few people care to be in the minority. 1326 01:07:37,091 --> 01:07:38,992 There's nowhere near a half a million women 1327 01:07:39,026 --> 01:07:40,395 - are having back alley abortions. - Yeah. You see, 1328 01:07:40,428 --> 01:07:42,764 if you keep repeating the big lie over and over again, 1329 01:07:42,797 --> 01:07:45,032 it generally convinces the public. 1330 01:07:45,065 --> 01:07:47,369 Well, 10,000 women die from back alley abortions. 1331 01:07:49,103 --> 01:07:50,405 - What? - Larry, wait. 1332 01:07:50,438 --> 01:07:51,840 We made that up, too. 1333 01:07:51,872 --> 01:07:54,007 Yeah, those are my statistics I came up with. 1334 01:07:54,041 --> 01:07:56,378 - Yeah! - You guys lied? 1335 01:07:56,411 --> 01:07:57,612 I wouldn't call it lying. 1336 01:07:57,645 --> 01:07:58,780 Yeah, it was for the greater good. 1337 01:07:58,813 --> 01:08:01,583 Planned Parenthood, they also helped. 1338 01:08:02,817 --> 01:08:04,352 And no one found out? 1339 01:08:04,386 --> 01:08:08,790 Found out? Honey, the media was in on it. 1340 01:08:08,823 --> 01:08:11,793 You see, for example, if you check out Time Magazine, 1341 01:08:11,826 --> 01:08:14,362 we planted four pro-abortion stories 1342 01:08:14,396 --> 01:08:15,463 every year. 1343 01:08:15,497 --> 01:08:19,434 So, 1969, and we have it in 1344 01:08:19,467 --> 01:08:21,235 March, September, two in November. 1345 01:08:21,268 --> 01:08:24,572 In 1970, February, March, April, September, 1346 01:08:24,606 --> 01:08:27,274 in '71, March, May, September, November, 1347 01:08:27,308 --> 01:08:28,309 and so on and so forth. 1348 01:08:28,343 --> 01:08:29,910 We kept doing it. 1349 01:08:29,943 --> 01:08:32,146 We also put pro-abortion stories in TV shows and films. 1350 01:08:32,179 --> 01:08:33,548 Yeah, remember that movie... 1351 01:08:33,581 --> 01:08:35,884 oh, what was it... Cabaret with Liza Minelli? 1352 01:08:35,916 --> 01:08:37,251 Yes. 1353 01:08:37,284 --> 01:08:42,624 Okay, wait! Time Magazine. Really? 1354 01:08:42,657 --> 01:08:44,191 And how did you guys do that? 1355 01:08:45,693 --> 01:08:47,662 We used each other as sources. 1356 01:09:00,809 --> 01:09:02,477 Should we really be doing this on Mother's Day? 1357 01:09:02,510 --> 01:09:04,111 Exactly. 1358 01:09:04,144 --> 01:09:05,045 All right. 1359 01:09:09,784 --> 01:09:11,653 How's the rally going, bubalah? 1360 01:09:12,821 --> 01:09:14,589 Yeah, hi. 1361 01:09:14,622 --> 01:09:16,290 Larry got commissions by referring women 1362 01:09:16,324 --> 01:09:18,860 to abortionists all over the country. 1363 01:09:18,893 --> 01:09:22,296 In Chicago, he even used rabbis and Protestant clergy 1364 01:09:22,330 --> 01:09:24,466 to help find them doctors. 1365 01:09:24,499 --> 01:09:26,200 Is my referral there? 1366 01:09:26,233 --> 01:09:28,369 With me, as we speak. 1367 01:09:29,804 --> 01:09:31,171 Okay, good. 1368 01:09:35,008 --> 01:09:36,344 Yeah, I gotta run. 1369 01:09:37,512 --> 01:09:39,213 Such a good guy, that Larry, 1370 01:09:39,246 --> 01:09:41,649 making sure the two of you are okay. 1371 01:09:42,851 --> 01:09:45,219 I really need to get this done soon. 1372 01:09:45,252 --> 01:09:47,555 I-I recommend going to New York. 1373 01:09:47,589 --> 01:09:51,559 Larry's partner Bernie, he's terrific. 1374 01:09:51,593 --> 01:09:54,161 You don't have anyone in Chicago? 1375 01:09:54,194 --> 01:09:57,332 I can't leave. What do I tell my husband? 1376 01:09:57,365 --> 01:09:58,566 Oh, jeez. 1377 01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,735 Oy vey, you're not the husband? 1378 01:10:01,903 --> 01:10:03,605 You know it's not legal here. 1379 01:10:04,772 --> 01:10:07,575 Please, Rabbi, I-I beg you. 1380 01:10:07,609 --> 01:10:08,810 Don't cry, don't cry. 1381 01:10:08,843 --> 01:10:12,145 It's okay. It's okay. Go see Dr. Ketchum. 1382 01:10:12,179 --> 01:10:14,147 He's not bad. 1383 01:10:14,181 --> 01:10:15,683 And we're not gonna get in trouble? 1384 01:10:15,717 --> 01:10:18,553 Oh, boychik, I take care of everything. 1385 01:10:19,888 --> 01:10:20,788 Okay. 1386 01:10:22,022 --> 01:10:24,057 Thank you. 1387 01:10:24,091 --> 01:10:26,594 Dozens write amicus briefs, and we get four. 1388 01:10:27,862 --> 01:10:29,229 They lied to Rockefeller 1389 01:10:29,263 --> 01:10:30,899 about the numbers on abortion, 1390 01:10:30,932 --> 01:10:33,200 and New York fell just like that. 1391 01:10:33,233 --> 01:10:35,904 When you see a kid out of law school 1392 01:10:35,937 --> 01:10:38,406 get to argue to the highest court in Texas, 1393 01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:40,842 and you can't get a job promotion. 1394 01:10:40,875 --> 01:10:42,944 I could have become a cause célèbre 1395 01:10:42,977 --> 01:10:45,380 if I had taken it up to court, 1396 01:10:45,413 --> 01:10:48,215 but it's about knowing the price of the game. 1397 01:10:48,248 --> 01:10:50,852 I wouldn't have waited 20 years; I'd have sued them. 1398 01:10:50,885 --> 01:10:54,689 It will be easier for those coming behind me. 1399 01:10:54,722 --> 01:10:57,224 You don't always have to be so strong. 1400 01:10:57,257 --> 01:10:59,126 It's not really fair. 1401 01:10:59,159 --> 01:11:01,194 Life isn't fair. 1402 01:11:01,228 --> 01:11:03,565 It doesn't mean I condone it. 1403 01:11:03,598 --> 01:11:06,266 When given a choice of being kind or right, be kind. 1404 01:11:08,002 --> 01:11:09,136 You can be angry, Mildred. 1405 01:11:11,606 --> 01:11:14,042 You certainly have been a role model. 1406 01:11:16,945 --> 01:11:18,780 Planned Parenthood and Larry Lader 1407 01:11:18,813 --> 01:11:21,482 are running seminars to set up clinics across the country. 1408 01:11:21,516 --> 01:11:23,116 And not to mention Nathanson. 1409 01:11:23,150 --> 01:11:25,787 Oh. Maybe I should pay him a visit, 1410 01:11:25,820 --> 01:11:27,154 doctor to doctor. 1411 01:11:27,187 --> 01:11:28,590 Good luck with that. 1412 01:11:28,623 --> 01:11:30,123 They're making too much money off these clinics. 1413 01:11:30,157 --> 01:11:31,726 Not to mention the illegal ones. 1414 01:11:31,759 --> 01:11:33,328 We have to be willing to get arrested 1415 01:11:33,361 --> 01:11:35,463 for our beliefs just like they are. 1416 01:11:35,496 --> 01:11:37,799 Illegal abortion houses, that's class warfare. 1417 01:11:41,536 --> 01:11:43,771 I'll reach out to the DAs across the country. 1418 01:11:45,039 --> 01:11:45,974 What are you thinking? 1419 01:11:48,275 --> 01:11:49,344 Let's see just how many times 1420 01:11:49,377 --> 01:11:51,111 they're really willing to get arrested. 1421 01:12:01,723 --> 01:12:03,358 Come on. Let's go. 1422 01:12:03,391 --> 01:12:05,093 We had secret abortion clinics 1423 01:12:05,158 --> 01:12:06,761 - across the country, - Get in here. 1424 01:12:06,794 --> 01:12:08,863 for girls who couldn't get to New York. 1425 01:12:08,896 --> 01:12:11,799 Part of our referral network consisted of rabbis 1426 01:12:11,833 --> 01:12:15,268 and Protestant clergy that helped set them up. 1427 01:12:15,302 --> 01:12:17,872 Sometimes, we even used five-star hotels. 1428 01:12:43,031 --> 01:12:44,132 Freeze! 1429 01:12:44,164 --> 01:12:46,166 Hands in the air where I can see them. 1430 01:12:46,199 --> 01:12:47,568 This is the one. Right here, guys, right here. 1431 01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:49,871 Chicago PD! 1432 01:12:49,904 --> 01:12:50,972 Put your gun down. 1433 01:12:51,005 --> 01:12:52,340 Hey, watch it! 1434 01:12:52,373 --> 01:12:54,375 Stop right there! 1435 01:12:54,409 --> 01:12:56,176 Where do you think you're going? 1436 01:12:56,209 --> 01:12:59,212 He thinks he can get out the window. 1437 01:12:59,246 --> 01:13:00,515 Stop what you're doing. 1438 01:13:00,548 --> 01:13:01,516 Can you cuff him, please. 1439 01:13:01,549 --> 01:13:03,017 Hey, stop what you're doing, Pops. 1440 01:13:03,051 --> 01:13:05,720 This is an operating room! You have no authority here! 1441 01:13:10,458 --> 01:13:12,225 Are you okay? 1442 01:13:18,433 --> 01:13:20,300 Oh, my god. 1443 01:13:30,144 --> 01:13:32,580 The rabbis and pastors getting arrested 1444 01:13:32,613 --> 01:13:34,949 brought down one of our biggest referral networks. 1445 01:13:40,421 --> 01:13:41,656 Is everything okay? 1446 01:13:43,256 --> 01:13:45,593 I just hope what we're doing is making women feel safer. 1447 01:13:48,629 --> 01:13:50,398 You should be so proud. 1448 01:13:50,431 --> 01:13:52,533 A young woman is arguing 1449 01:13:52,567 --> 01:13:55,536 in front of the Supreme Court because of you. 1450 01:13:55,570 --> 01:13:56,938 I thought I would have had envy, 1451 01:13:56,971 --> 01:14:02,543 but all I felt after all of it was proud of Sarah, 1452 01:14:02,577 --> 01:14:04,645 and hope this will open the gate for women to come. 1453 01:14:08,248 --> 01:14:10,485 One of our clinics was just busted. 1454 01:14:10,518 --> 01:14:12,220 Ugh. 1455 01:14:12,252 --> 01:14:14,989 Sixteen clergy, four rabbis, all arrested. 1456 01:14:15,022 --> 01:14:16,791 We have to protect these kids. 1457 01:14:16,824 --> 01:14:19,494 We have to make sure they have safe doctors. 1458 01:14:19,527 --> 01:14:22,130 These raids can't be setbacks. 1459 01:14:22,163 --> 01:14:25,767 We have to keep working for abortion on demand. 1460 01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:27,769 It makes us look like we're in it for the money. 1461 01:14:27,802 --> 01:14:28,803 It's just disgraceful. 1462 01:14:28,836 --> 01:14:30,972 No, quit exaggerating, Bernie. 1463 01:14:31,005 --> 01:14:32,406 You know what it's gonna do to me and my family 1464 01:14:32,440 --> 01:14:35,109 - and my reputation? - Oh, this is-this is about you? 1465 01:14:35,143 --> 01:14:37,478 Bernie? Is this about you and the money? 1466 01:14:37,512 --> 01:14:38,613 It's not about me. 1467 01:14:40,014 --> 01:14:41,215 It's about the girls. 1468 01:14:42,617 --> 01:14:43,851 You're not there. 1469 01:14:43,885 --> 01:14:45,653 Yeah, okay. Quit exaggerating, Bernie. 1470 01:14:47,622 --> 01:14:49,557 You don't see all the girls I save. 1471 01:14:59,333 --> 01:15:00,835 I became a physician 1472 01:15:00,868 --> 01:15:03,037 in the tradition that obliges society 1473 01:15:03,070 --> 01:15:05,640 to expect a doctor to save lives, 1474 01:15:05,673 --> 01:15:07,175 not kill them. 1475 01:15:07,208 --> 01:15:09,210 There goes your Hippocratic oath. 1476 01:15:09,243 --> 01:15:12,313 Tell that to Nathanson, Mother. 1477 01:15:12,346 --> 01:15:17,985 Dr. King said, "We cannot win if we're willing to sacrifice 1478 01:15:18,019 --> 01:15:20,188 the futures of our children 1479 01:15:20,221 --> 01:15:22,690 for immediate personal comfort and safety." 1480 01:15:22,723 --> 01:15:24,992 I am not willing to allow 1481 01:15:25,026 --> 01:15:28,563 the concept of expendable human lives 1482 01:15:28,596 --> 01:15:30,998 to turn this land of ours 1483 01:15:31,032 --> 01:15:34,402 into just another exclusive reservation, 1484 01:15:34,435 --> 01:15:35,803 where only the planned, 1485 01:15:35,837 --> 01:15:38,039 the privileged, and the perfect 1486 01:15:38,072 --> 01:15:39,507 have the right to live. 1487 01:15:39,540 --> 01:15:41,042 my saying this to you, 1488 01:15:41,075 --> 01:15:42,510 we're free. 1489 01:15:42,543 --> 01:15:44,679 We finally have the right to decide what we can do 1490 01:15:44,712 --> 01:15:46,013 with our own body. 1491 01:15:46,047 --> 01:15:47,348 All right. Then, will you please get yours 1492 01:15:47,381 --> 01:15:48,382 into the kitchen. 1493 01:15:50,051 --> 01:15:52,720 - You're just scared. - I am not scared! 1494 01:15:52,753 --> 01:15:55,723 You are, and it's as simple as gong to the dentist. 1495 01:15:57,391 --> 01:16:00,394 As simple as going to the dentist? 1496 01:16:00,428 --> 01:16:06,067 Oh. I scream, they scream louder. 1497 01:16:06,100 --> 01:16:09,338 We raise money, they raise more. 1498 01:16:09,370 --> 01:16:11,572 They have Hollywood on their side. 1499 01:16:11,606 --> 01:16:17,411 Dr. Nathanson, I heard he gave them $10,000 to air that. 1500 01:16:19,747 --> 01:16:23,284 Lewis Powell is from Virginia. 1501 01:16:23,318 --> 01:16:25,686 But like another great Virginian, 1502 01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:30,224 Chief Justice Marshall, Lewis Powell is recognized 1503 01:16:30,258 --> 01:16:32,293 by his legal colleagues throughout the nation 1504 01:16:32,327 --> 01:16:35,129 as being a man who represents not just 1505 01:16:35,162 --> 01:16:37,732 Virginia and the South. 1506 01:16:37,765 --> 01:16:41,936 He is first and foremost, a very great American. 1507 01:16:44,672 --> 01:16:46,607 William Rehnquist 1508 01:16:46,641 --> 01:16:49,076 has been outstanding in every intellectual endeavor 1509 01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:51,112 he has undertaken. 1510 01:16:51,145 --> 01:16:53,581 He was graduated from Stanford University, 1511 01:16:53,614 --> 01:16:56,217 Phi Beta Kappa, 1948. 1512 01:16:56,250 --> 01:16:57,251 He graduated 1513 01:16:57,285 --> 01:16:59,153 first in his class 1514 01:16:59,186 --> 01:17:01,589 from the Stanford University Law School in 1942. 1515 01:17:05,259 --> 01:17:06,527 You missed the more important news! 1516 01:17:07,695 --> 01:17:08,829 We got the majority. 1517 01:17:10,131 --> 01:17:11,899 We're gonna win. 1518 01:17:11,933 --> 01:17:13,901 The two new justices were conservatives. 1519 01:17:13,935 --> 01:17:15,636 So, when we go back into court, 1520 01:17:15,670 --> 01:17:18,606 the vote will swing their way five to four. 1521 01:17:18,639 --> 01:17:20,141 We're gonna lose. 1522 01:17:21,642 --> 01:17:22,877 I wouldn't count on that. 1523 01:17:24,545 --> 01:17:27,281 We still have a lot of work to do. 1524 01:17:27,316 --> 01:17:32,586 I've tried Nathanson's service. He won't return my calls. 1525 01:17:32,620 --> 01:17:35,623 Have you tried heading over to Planned Parenthood? 1526 01:17:35,656 --> 01:17:38,092 I'm not going there to get lynched. 1527 01:17:38,125 --> 01:17:39,794 I'll just head over to the hospital. 1528 01:17:40,895 --> 01:17:42,997 Are you going to go after the clergy? 1529 01:17:43,030 --> 01:17:45,099 I'm gonna go with the industry. 1530 01:17:45,132 --> 01:17:47,868 Robert, no one sees the industry. 1531 01:17:47,902 --> 01:17:49,036 It's invisible. 1532 01:17:49,070 --> 01:17:51,306 The cause is hopeless in secular terms. 1533 01:17:51,340 --> 01:17:52,374 The effort is only worth it 1534 01:17:52,407 --> 01:17:54,008 if it's part of a larger enterprise: 1535 01:17:54,041 --> 01:17:55,776 the reconversion of this nation. 1536 01:17:55,810 --> 01:17:56,944 To what? 1537 01:17:56,978 --> 01:17:59,381 Faith in God, respect for His law. 1538 01:17:59,414 --> 01:18:00,815 That law being? 1539 01:18:00,848 --> 01:18:03,718 Human law, which cannot tolerate the intentional killing 1540 01:18:03,751 --> 01:18:05,454 of innocent human beings. 1541 01:18:05,486 --> 01:18:07,054 Yeah, but the separation of church and state 1542 01:18:07,088 --> 01:18:08,357 is in the Constitution. 1543 01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:10,291 That's a common misconception. 1544 01:18:10,325 --> 01:18:11,959 The Constitution provides freedom of religion, 1545 01:18:11,993 --> 01:18:13,160 not separation. 1546 01:18:14,495 --> 01:18:16,530 Our laws are based in God's principle, 1547 01:18:16,564 --> 01:18:18,065 "Thou shalt not kill." 1548 01:18:18,099 --> 01:18:21,802 Ellen, you did a great job organizing this. 1549 01:18:21,836 --> 01:18:22,703 Thank you. 1550 01:18:26,207 --> 01:18:29,043 The Ninth Amendment isn't some bottomless pit of rights 1551 01:18:29,076 --> 01:18:32,813 that we can abuse anytime we find a case confuses us. 1552 01:18:32,847 --> 01:18:34,515 What part of the Constitution 1553 01:18:34,548 --> 01:18:38,919 says that a woman does not have a right to an abortion? 1554 01:18:38,953 --> 01:18:42,056 Freedom to choose - too vague. Freedom to choose what? 1555 01:18:42,089 --> 01:18:43,557 Prove medically and scientifically 1556 01:18:43,591 --> 01:18:46,594 that a new fetus is a-a someone. 1557 01:18:46,627 --> 01:18:49,196 Even the doctors say there is human life. 1558 01:18:49,230 --> 01:18:51,565 Human life from the moment of conception, 1559 01:18:51,599 --> 01:18:53,267 in the embryonic state. 1560 01:18:53,300 --> 01:18:56,338 Yeah, look. You're new to the court, 1561 01:18:56,371 --> 01:18:59,374 and Mrs. Weddington presents a thought-out argument 1562 01:18:59,408 --> 01:19:01,443 for women's rights. 1563 01:19:01,476 --> 01:19:03,544 You've been watching too much TV. 1564 01:19:03,577 --> 01:19:06,714 This case has nothing to do with women's rights. 1565 01:19:06,747 --> 01:19:08,115 Does a woman, a mother, 1566 01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:12,586 have the right to kill her own child? 1567 01:19:12,620 --> 01:19:14,423 I'll argue that case separately. 1568 01:19:14,456 --> 01:19:16,425 It's not her child, just yet. 1569 01:19:16,458 --> 01:19:17,792 Whose child is it? 1570 01:19:17,825 --> 01:19:19,394 The mother's? Father's? The state's? 1571 01:19:20,928 --> 01:19:23,532 You've only just been appointed, 1572 01:19:23,564 --> 01:19:26,233 and already you're playing into the hands of public opinion. 1573 01:19:27,668 --> 01:19:30,938 Byron, get off your high horse 1574 01:19:30,971 --> 01:19:33,341 and make a constitutional decision. 1575 01:19:35,776 --> 01:19:38,245 I am making a constitutional decision. 1576 01:19:40,482 --> 01:19:42,317 She stated on several occasions 1577 01:19:42,350 --> 01:19:44,386 that they are dismissing the Hippocratic oath, 1578 01:19:44,419 --> 01:19:45,820 the very oath 1579 01:19:47,588 --> 01:19:50,758 that says doctors need to protect life. 1580 01:19:50,791 --> 01:19:53,794 It also states very clearly 1581 01:19:53,828 --> 01:19:57,932 that a woman should not be given an abortive remedy. 1582 01:19:57,965 --> 01:20:00,134 That's what you're basing your decision on, 1583 01:20:00,167 --> 01:20:01,268 the Hippocratic oath. 1584 01:20:02,837 --> 01:20:04,271 It's not 400 B.C. 1585 01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,943 The 1948 Declaration of Geneva 1586 01:20:08,976 --> 01:20:13,080 as well as the International Code of Medical Ethics 1587 01:20:13,114 --> 01:20:19,687 both clearly state that doctors must protect life. 1588 01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,123 From the point of conception. 1589 01:20:22,156 --> 01:20:25,126 May I remind you, sir, 1590 01:20:25,159 --> 01:20:27,928 you're on the United States Supreme Court, 1591 01:20:27,962 --> 01:20:30,164 not on an international medical board. 1592 01:20:32,032 --> 01:20:36,471 We have an opportunity here to make things right. 1593 01:20:36,505 --> 01:20:40,040 We have an opportunity here to get things right. 1594 01:20:40,074 --> 01:20:42,710 I fear if we vote in favor of 1595 01:20:42,743 --> 01:20:44,613 removing the rights of the fetus, 1596 01:20:44,645 --> 01:20:48,149 that we are simply blowing this whole thing. 1597 01:20:48,182 --> 01:20:52,119 Hm-mm. Roe isn't about right or wrong. 1598 01:20:52,153 --> 01:20:54,121 It's about what's stated in the law. 1599 01:20:54,155 --> 01:20:59,727 All due respect, Justice, if you don't realize that, 1600 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,864 you shouldn't be on the court. Hm? 1601 01:21:03,898 --> 01:21:07,835 Church and state are separate for a reason. 1602 01:21:07,868 --> 01:21:09,703 It's God's duty to forgive. 1603 01:21:12,039 --> 01:21:15,343 It's ours to rule the law. 1604 01:21:15,377 --> 01:21:22,350 This has nothing whatsoever to do with church and state. 1605 01:21:22,384 --> 01:21:25,052 This is strictly a constitutional matter, 1606 01:21:26,754 --> 01:21:29,457 life and liberty. 1607 01:21:31,091 --> 01:21:32,293 Or have you forgotten that? 1608 01:21:36,096 --> 01:21:37,365 Justice? 1609 01:21:42,537 --> 01:21:44,673 Wade got Robert Flowers to argue. 1610 01:21:44,705 --> 01:21:46,474 He was handpicked by the Texas attorney general. 1611 01:21:48,142 --> 01:21:49,611 How you boys and gals doing? 1612 01:21:51,111 --> 01:21:54,081 Have you seen how the whole media supports Weddington? 1613 01:21:54,114 --> 01:21:56,083 Well, we better get to work then. 1614 01:21:56,116 --> 01:21:59,119 I created a moot court based on Griswald and Vuitch. 1615 01:21:59,153 --> 01:22:01,922 We can set up and start to fire questions. 1616 01:22:01,956 --> 01:22:03,358 My boys don't need schooling 1617 01:22:03,391 --> 01:22:06,293 by a bunch of kids from New York City. 1618 01:22:06,328 --> 01:22:07,294 It's going to be you and your boys 1619 01:22:07,329 --> 01:22:08,697 versus the whole country. 1620 01:22:08,729 --> 01:22:11,700 Well, don't tell me, I know the law! 1621 01:22:11,732 --> 01:22:13,767 I know you do. I'm worried. 1622 01:22:15,604 --> 01:22:17,071 "The greatest act of faith is when a man understands 1623 01:22:17,104 --> 01:22:18,640 that he is not God." 1624 01:22:18,673 --> 01:22:20,609 Oliver Wendell Holmes. 1625 01:22:20,642 --> 01:22:22,910 It might be a good idea, Henry. 1626 01:22:22,943 --> 01:22:24,011 I'm listening. 1627 01:22:26,514 --> 01:22:27,649 What else you got for us, Bob? 1628 01:22:29,250 --> 01:22:31,218 I filed with the court to become guardian ad litem 1629 01:22:31,252 --> 01:22:33,087 to all the unborn children in the State of New York. 1630 01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,323 How'd you manage that? 1631 01:22:35,357 --> 01:22:36,790 The unborn has rights in the area of the law 1632 01:22:36,824 --> 01:22:38,627 from probate to criminal. 1633 01:22:38,660 --> 01:22:40,995 In the Constitution, a person cannot be deprived due process 1634 01:22:41,028 --> 01:22:42,997 or denied equal protection. 1635 01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:44,898 - Okay. - So, the unborn have a right 1636 01:22:44,932 --> 01:22:47,502 to an attorney just like everybody else in America? 1637 01:22:49,103 --> 01:22:50,572 It's brilliant! 1638 01:22:50,605 --> 01:22:52,574 Larry, you convinced me to open a clinic, 1639 01:22:52,607 --> 01:22:54,643 abortion is illegal again in New York. 1640 01:22:54,676 --> 01:22:56,277 What are you talking about? 1641 01:22:56,311 --> 01:22:58,779 I'm gonna lose everything to that guardian of the unborn. 1642 01:22:58,812 --> 01:22:59,947 I wouldn't worry about it. 1643 01:22:59,980 --> 01:23:00,914 Guardian of the unborn, 1644 01:23:00,948 --> 01:23:02,450 it sounds like a superhero. 1645 01:23:02,484 --> 01:23:03,418 How can the Catholics 1646 01:23:03,451 --> 01:23:05,286 use the court to make a law? 1647 01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:07,589 Well, isn't that what we're going to do? 1648 01:23:07,622 --> 01:23:09,290 You boys are only in favor of abortion 1649 01:23:09,324 --> 01:23:12,059 because it's cheaper than child support. 1650 01:23:14,329 --> 01:23:15,630 Equality! 1651 01:23:15,664 --> 01:23:16,765 Let's not forget, 1652 01:23:16,797 --> 01:23:18,165 this is also about population control. 1653 01:23:18,198 --> 01:23:20,167 This is about women's rights. 1654 01:23:21,469 --> 01:23:24,138 You're still in love with Margaret Sanger! 1655 01:23:24,171 --> 01:23:25,473 What are you talking about? 1656 01:23:25,507 --> 01:23:28,976 She opposed abortion. I read her autobiography. 1657 01:23:29,009 --> 01:23:31,379 Oh, the founder of Planned Parenthood opposed abortion? 1658 01:23:31,413 --> 01:23:32,946 She'd be for it today. 1659 01:23:32,980 --> 01:23:35,816 She said it was a disgrace to our civilization. 1660 01:23:35,849 --> 01:23:38,118 Quote, "There should be no killing of babies in the womb," 1661 01:23:38,152 --> 01:23:39,853 end quote. 1662 01:23:39,887 --> 01:23:41,356 I founded this movement. 1663 01:23:41,389 --> 01:23:43,057 - This is about you? - Yeah! 1664 01:23:43,090 --> 01:23:45,527 This is about the State of Larry Lader? 1665 01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:47,529 Look around you. 1666 01:23:47,562 --> 01:23:50,465 Who do you think is winning your dirty little secret war? 1667 01:23:50,498 --> 01:23:53,735 I am looking. Look what I've created. 1668 01:23:53,768 --> 01:23:55,035 Planned Parenthood and half the doctors 1669 01:23:55,069 --> 01:23:56,504 pay you referral fees. 1670 01:23:56,538 --> 01:23:59,374 And you have the women of the world to thank for that! 1671 01:24:00,675 --> 01:24:02,276 And how much you getting from your clinic, Doc? 1672 01:24:05,112 --> 01:24:06,381 Equality! 1673 01:24:17,625 --> 01:24:18,626 You haven't touched your food. 1674 01:24:20,127 --> 01:24:21,061 Hm? 1675 01:24:22,530 --> 01:24:27,234 Oh, I'm sorry. It's this damn case. 1676 01:24:27,267 --> 01:24:29,437 Well, which way are you leaning towards, Dad? 1677 01:24:29,471 --> 01:24:31,740 I'm not gonna get into any of that. 1678 01:24:31,773 --> 01:24:33,073 Good try. 1679 01:24:33,107 --> 01:24:34,942 Sally's volunteering at Planned Parenthood. 1680 01:24:34,975 --> 01:24:36,845 Stop changing the subject. 1681 01:24:36,877 --> 01:24:39,781 Oh, Planned Parenthood, that's- that's great, sweetheart. 1682 01:24:39,814 --> 01:24:41,516 Now, that's the second justice 1683 01:24:41,549 --> 01:24:44,586 with a family member working for Planned Parenthood. 1684 01:24:44,619 --> 01:24:48,390 First Stewart's wife, and now Blackmun's daughter. 1685 01:24:48,423 --> 01:24:49,557 Hm. 1686 01:24:49,591 --> 01:24:51,459 You know, it's not only about abortion. 1687 01:24:52,627 --> 01:24:53,795 Did you see 20,000 women 1688 01:24:53,828 --> 01:24:55,563 marching for equality in New York? 1689 01:24:57,064 --> 01:24:58,867 Twenty thousand, is that right? 1690 01:24:58,899 --> 01:25:00,769 It's about time we had our own rights. 1691 01:25:03,838 --> 01:25:06,541 Do you want your daughter to be able to become justice one day? 1692 01:25:06,574 --> 01:25:07,675 Why... 1693 01:25:09,143 --> 01:25:11,044 so you're saying 1694 01:25:11,078 --> 01:25:14,449 if I vote the other way, I'm voting against women? 1695 01:25:14,482 --> 01:25:17,050 Yes, you are. 1696 01:25:17,084 --> 01:25:20,254 Just listen to her, Dad. Come on, it's important. 1697 01:25:20,287 --> 01:25:21,656 I'm with the girls. 1698 01:25:24,325 --> 01:25:25,693 Make us proud, Harry. 1699 01:25:34,968 --> 01:25:36,103 I know why you gave me this 1700 01:25:36,136 --> 01:25:38,473 but you should've let Douglas write it. 1701 01:25:38,506 --> 01:25:41,175 After my vote hit the media, 1702 01:25:41,208 --> 01:25:43,812 my family almost fell apart over it. 1703 01:25:43,845 --> 01:25:46,079 So, you might be changing your vote 1704 01:25:46,113 --> 01:25:49,049 because your family found out? Or was it the media? 1705 01:25:52,554 --> 01:25:53,488 Warren. 1706 01:25:57,692 --> 01:25:59,960 You wanted to talk. 1707 01:25:59,993 --> 01:26:00,994 Yes, I did. 1708 01:26:02,229 --> 01:26:04,031 I wanna see where you stand, Harry. 1709 01:26:04,064 --> 01:26:06,768 I'm hoping we're on the same page. 1710 01:26:06,801 --> 01:26:08,268 Byron, I don't know what page I'm on. 1711 01:26:08,302 --> 01:26:10,672 I'm not even sure we're reading from the same book. 1712 01:26:10,705 --> 01:26:14,375 I just-I'm trying to vote along the lines of the Constitution. 1713 01:26:14,409 --> 01:26:16,511 Does the Bill of Rights allow a woman 1714 01:26:16,544 --> 01:26:18,847 to kill her unborn child? 1715 01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:20,180 It's a very simple question. 1716 01:26:20,214 --> 01:26:21,549 No, it's not a simple question. 1717 01:26:21,583 --> 01:26:24,719 The question is, when does a fetus become a life? 1718 01:26:24,752 --> 01:26:26,955 At the point of conception, Harry. When else? 1719 01:26:26,987 --> 01:26:29,958 Well, that hasn't been determined yet, has it? 1720 01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:33,328 And if it had, we wouldn't be having this conflict 1721 01:26:33,361 --> 01:26:34,729 in our conversation. 1722 01:26:34,762 --> 01:26:36,698 Sure, Bill. Why don't you just sit down and join us. 1723 01:26:36,731 --> 01:26:39,066 What we need to discuss is the right to privacy. 1724 01:26:39,099 --> 01:26:40,702 What? 1725 01:26:40,735 --> 01:26:42,737 Listen, our job is to interpret the Constitution. 1726 01:26:42,770 --> 01:26:44,539 Our job is not to create law. 1727 01:26:44,572 --> 01:26:46,975 If you wanna make a new law, you take it up with Congress. 1728 01:26:47,007 --> 01:26:49,511 We already ruled on that. Griswold v. Connecticut. 1729 01:26:49,544 --> 01:26:50,912 - Unrelated. - Absolutely. 1730 01:26:50,945 --> 01:26:52,480 - Unrelated. - Absolutely. 1731 01:26:52,514 --> 01:26:53,748 He-he's right. 1732 01:26:53,781 --> 01:26:55,850 Right to privacy between a patient and a doctor. 1733 01:26:57,385 --> 01:27:00,522 At minimum, Byron, it's something I think 1734 01:27:00,555 --> 01:27:03,090 we should at least consider. 1735 01:27:03,123 --> 01:27:05,326 You take this into consideration, Harry, 1736 01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,429 you take the risk of embarrassing this court 1737 01:27:08,463 --> 01:27:10,063 and putting it to a level it has not been 1738 01:27:10,097 --> 01:27:11,733 - since the Dred Scott decision. - Oh, come on. 1739 01:27:11,766 --> 01:27:13,935 Come on, Bill. So, you wanna enslave women 1740 01:27:13,968 --> 01:27:15,336 by denying them their right to privacy. 1741 01:27:15,370 --> 01:27:16,437 Is that it, Byron? 1742 01:27:16,471 --> 01:27:17,438 That is not what I said. 1743 01:27:17,472 --> 01:27:18,740 Well, that's what you're implying. 1744 01:27:18,773 --> 01:27:19,941 No, it is not what I'm implying. 1745 01:27:19,974 --> 01:27:21,943 Wait, guys, guys. Stop being so dramatic. 1746 01:27:21,976 --> 01:27:24,512 And you, you're starting to sound like one of Nixon's boys. 1747 01:27:24,546 --> 01:27:27,247 Don't forget it was JFK that appointed you. 1748 01:27:27,281 --> 01:27:28,449 Yes, and it was Kennedy that thought 1749 01:27:28,483 --> 01:27:31,419 abortion was repugnant to all Americans. 1750 01:27:38,459 --> 01:27:39,727 Here we go again, boys. 1751 01:27:48,268 --> 01:27:50,304 Certainly, we cannot say that there is 1752 01:27:50,338 --> 01:27:55,577 in the Constitution so stated the right to an abortion. 1753 01:27:55,610 --> 01:27:58,379 But neither is there stated the right to travel 1754 01:27:58,413 --> 01:28:01,716 or some other basic rights that this court has held 1755 01:28:01,749 --> 01:28:05,085 are under the United States Constitution. 1756 01:28:05,118 --> 01:28:06,988 I suppose that one of the most important factors 1757 01:28:07,021 --> 01:28:09,791 to consider is, what rights, if any, 1758 01:28:09,824 --> 01:28:11,726 does the unborn fetus have. 1759 01:28:11,759 --> 01:28:12,961 That is correct. 1760 01:28:12,994 --> 01:28:14,161 I have a question. 1761 01:28:14,194 --> 01:28:16,464 Is it critical to your case that the fetus 1762 01:28:16,497 --> 01:28:20,501 not be considered a person under the due process clause? 1763 01:28:20,535 --> 01:28:22,102 It seems to me that it is critical 1764 01:28:22,135 --> 01:28:25,306 that we prove that this is a fundamental interest 1765 01:28:25,340 --> 01:28:27,240 on behalf of women. 1766 01:28:27,274 --> 01:28:29,978 That it is a constitutional right, second... 1767 01:28:30,011 --> 01:28:35,115 Well, would you lose your case if the fetus were a person? 1768 01:28:35,148 --> 01:28:37,150 Then you would have a balancing of interests. 1769 01:28:38,953 --> 01:28:40,455 You're already going to be balancing 1770 01:28:40,488 --> 01:28:42,289 the interest of the mother 1771 01:28:42,323 --> 01:28:45,192 against the interest of the fetus. 1772 01:28:45,225 --> 01:28:46,928 That is correct, Your Honor. 1773 01:28:46,961 --> 01:28:49,097 If it were established that the unborn fetus 1774 01:28:49,129 --> 01:28:51,164 is protected under the Constitution, 1775 01:28:51,198 --> 01:28:53,668 you would have an impossible case, Mrs. Weddington. 1776 01:28:55,470 --> 01:28:57,839 I would have a very difficult case. 1777 01:29:01,509 --> 01:29:02,810 It's impossible for me to trace, 1778 01:29:02,844 --> 01:29:04,345 within my allocated time, 1779 01:29:04,379 --> 01:29:08,516 the development of a fetus from the date of its conception 1780 01:29:08,549 --> 01:29:10,183 to the date of its birth. 1781 01:29:10,217 --> 01:29:12,219 But it's the position of the State of Texas 1782 01:29:12,252 --> 01:29:13,655 that upon conception, 1783 01:29:13,688 --> 01:29:17,058 we have a human being. 1784 01:29:17,091 --> 01:29:19,661 A person with the concept 1785 01:29:19,694 --> 01:29:22,229 of the Constitution of the United States 1786 01:29:22,262 --> 01:29:24,197 and that of Texas as well. 1787 01:29:24,231 --> 01:29:27,702 Any person born or naturalized in the United States hasn't. 1788 01:29:29,169 --> 01:29:32,239 No, that's not the definition of a person, 1789 01:29:32,272 --> 01:29:33,841 that's the definition of a citizen. 1790 01:29:33,875 --> 01:29:34,909 It's so fundamental 1791 01:29:34,942 --> 01:29:36,577 that the framers of the Constitution 1792 01:29:36,611 --> 01:29:39,647 had not even set out to define it. 1793 01:29:39,681 --> 01:29:43,818 And even Blackstone was quoted in 1765, 1794 01:29:43,851 --> 01:29:47,155 "This right is inherent in every individual 1795 01:29:47,187 --> 01:29:50,758 and exists even before the child is born." 1796 01:29:50,792 --> 01:29:53,226 Is it not true 1797 01:29:53,260 --> 01:29:57,432 or is it that the, medical profession itself 1798 01:29:57,465 --> 01:30:00,768 is not in agreement as to when life begins? 1799 01:30:00,802 --> 01:30:03,871 Medically speaking, we would say that from the chromosomes, 1800 01:30:03,905 --> 01:30:06,708 every potential of anybody here in this room 1801 01:30:06,741 --> 01:30:09,209 is present at the moment of conception. 1802 01:30:09,242 --> 01:30:12,880 Right. So, what you're speaking about is a potential life. 1803 01:30:12,914 --> 01:30:14,082 Yes, sir. 1804 01:30:14,115 --> 01:30:17,351 With which everyone can agree on. 1805 01:30:17,385 --> 01:30:18,152 Just one moment. 1806 01:30:20,488 --> 01:30:25,359 If you're correct that the fetus is a person, 1807 01:30:25,393 --> 01:30:28,463 then I suppose the state would have a great trouble 1808 01:30:28,496 --> 01:30:31,466 permitting an abortion, wouldn't it? 1809 01:30:31,499 --> 01:30:35,403 This court has been diligent 1810 01:30:35,436 --> 01:30:39,874 in protecting the rights of minorities. 1811 01:30:39,907 --> 01:30:48,248 And gentlemen, we say this is a minority, 1812 01:30:50,318 --> 01:30:51,953 a silent minority, 1813 01:30:54,522 --> 01:30:59,093 the true silent minority. 1814 01:31:03,698 --> 01:31:06,033 Who is speaking for these children? 1815 01:31:09,036 --> 01:31:12,874 Who is counsel for these children? 1816 01:31:14,876 --> 01:31:17,345 These unborn children, 1817 01:31:20,882 --> 01:31:23,851 whose lives are being taken. 1818 01:31:28,189 --> 01:31:30,057 Where is the safeguard 1819 01:31:32,193 --> 01:31:35,363 of a trial by jury? 1820 01:31:40,701 --> 01:31:42,603 For Roe? 1821 01:31:42,637 --> 01:31:45,339 From the CBS News headquarters in New York, 1822 01:31:45,373 --> 01:31:47,708 this is the CBS Evening News 1823 01:31:47,742 --> 01:31:51,212 with Walter Cronkite and Eric Sevareid in New York, 1824 01:31:51,245 --> 01:31:53,147 George Hermann in Washington, 1825 01:31:53,181 --> 01:31:57,018 Leslie Stahl in Washington, Fred P. Graham in Atlanta, 1826 01:31:57,051 --> 01:32:00,688 Peter Calisher in Paris, Tom Fenton in Paris, 1827 01:32:00,721 --> 01:32:02,857 Robert Schakne in Des Moines. 1828 01:32:02,890 --> 01:32:06,360 And tonight, a CBS Evening News special report, 1829 01:32:06,394 --> 01:32:08,229 "The Energy Crisis." 1830 01:32:27,915 --> 01:32:28,816 Good evening. 1831 01:32:28,850 --> 01:32:30,151 In a landmark ruling, 1832 01:32:30,184 --> 01:32:33,688 the Supreme Court today legalized abortions. 1833 01:32:33,721 --> 01:32:35,823 The majority in cases for Texas and Georgia 1834 01:32:35,857 --> 01:32:38,226 said that the decision to end a pregnancy 1835 01:32:38,259 --> 01:32:40,995 during the first three months belongs to the woman 1836 01:32:41,028 --> 01:32:42,964 and her doctor, not the government. 1837 01:32:52,106 --> 01:32:55,409 The Roe decision allows a woman to have an abortion at any time, 1838 01:32:55,443 --> 01:32:57,445 not just the first three months. 1839 01:32:57,478 --> 01:32:58,946 Cronkite and the media lied about that. 1840 01:33:00,982 --> 01:33:03,784 But they said it doesn't have the same rights as a person. 1841 01:33:03,818 --> 01:33:06,187 Let me ask you, if you found out today 1842 01:33:06,220 --> 01:33:08,589 that you were pregnant and I killed you, 1843 01:33:08,623 --> 01:33:11,058 should I go to jail for murdering one person or two? 1844 01:33:12,426 --> 01:33:13,461 Uh... 1845 01:33:15,096 --> 01:33:18,566 Most states would consider it a double homicide, 1846 01:33:18,599 --> 01:33:21,235 hence considering the unborn a person. 1847 01:33:22,803 --> 01:33:25,806 With that logic, why isn't abortion considered homicide? 1848 01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:27,875 The Supreme Court allowed the Sierra Club 1849 01:33:27,909 --> 01:33:29,311 to sue the Walt Disney Mineral Park 1850 01:33:29,344 --> 01:33:31,579 on behalf of inanimate objects. 1851 01:33:31,612 --> 01:33:33,748 Justice Douglas argued 1852 01:33:33,781 --> 01:33:36,250 that trees should be granted personhood, 1853 01:33:36,284 --> 01:33:39,487 that rivers, lakes, and even pupfish have rights. 1854 01:33:43,591 --> 01:33:45,327 Somebody read me the constitutional amendment 1855 01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,330 that states that we have the right to kill an unborn child. 1856 01:33:48,363 --> 01:33:49,463 Sir, 1857 01:33:49,497 --> 01:33:51,866 it was just voted seven to two. 1858 01:33:53,434 --> 01:33:54,969 The justices replaced the framers' choices 1859 01:33:55,002 --> 01:33:56,971 for personal predilections. 1860 01:33:58,539 --> 01:34:00,508 But we have a right to privacy. 1861 01:34:01,976 --> 01:34:03,144 Where in the Constitution does it state 1862 01:34:03,177 --> 01:34:04,145 that we have that right? 1863 01:34:08,716 --> 01:34:11,118 It doesn't, and even if we did, 1864 01:34:11,152 --> 01:34:13,154 privacy is not an absolute right, 1865 01:34:13,187 --> 01:34:16,190 so it can always be governed by other rights. 1866 01:34:16,223 --> 01:34:19,794 But the right to choose is more important than a fetus. 1867 01:34:19,827 --> 01:34:21,595 Why would you say that? 1868 01:34:21,629 --> 01:34:23,864 A fetus is not a person, and I am. 1869 01:34:26,901 --> 01:34:28,469 So, what does a fetus become? 1870 01:34:32,573 --> 01:34:34,842 A fetus has the DNA of a person. 1871 01:34:34,875 --> 01:34:36,510 It's created by people. 1872 01:34:36,544 --> 01:34:40,982 Left to nature, that fetus becomes a person. 1873 01:34:42,583 --> 01:34:44,386 Dr. Taylor, call the operator, please. 1874 01:34:44,419 --> 01:34:46,355 Dr. Taylor, call the operator. 1875 01:34:47,922 --> 01:34:49,256 Dr. Nathanson? 1876 01:34:50,825 --> 01:34:52,159 I'm sorry. Can I help you? 1877 01:34:52,193 --> 01:34:54,161 A butchery. 1878 01:34:54,195 --> 01:34:56,197 Excuse me? 1879 01:34:56,230 --> 01:34:59,500 You know that even a safe abortion 1880 01:34:59,533 --> 01:35:02,203 can make a woman sterile. 1881 01:35:02,236 --> 01:35:03,405 Mildred Jefferson, right? 1882 01:35:03,438 --> 01:35:06,173 Dr. Mildred Jefferson. 1883 01:35:06,207 --> 01:35:07,742 Are you lost? 1884 01:35:07,775 --> 01:35:08,809 Yes. 1885 01:35:08,843 --> 01:35:11,679 Yes. Actually, I am. Very. 1886 01:35:13,180 --> 01:35:15,916 How do you do what you do, and live in good conscience? 1887 01:35:15,950 --> 01:35:17,051 I have given abortions 1888 01:35:17,084 --> 01:35:18,420 to my friends, 1889 01:35:18,453 --> 01:35:20,921 my colleagues, even my teachers. 1890 01:35:20,955 --> 01:35:22,923 I've never had a shred of self-doubt. 1891 01:35:22,957 --> 01:35:25,059 And I've never wavered. 1892 01:35:25,092 --> 01:35:27,061 So, you feel nothing? 1893 01:35:27,094 --> 01:35:31,032 Just a sense of accomplishment and pride of expertise. 1894 01:35:31,065 --> 01:35:32,401 You see. 1895 01:35:34,135 --> 01:35:39,006 When my girlfriend got pregnant and I couldn't afford to have 1896 01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:43,077 a child, I not only demanded 1897 01:35:43,110 --> 01:35:47,416 that she terminate the pregnancy but I also informed her, 1898 01:35:47,449 --> 01:35:50,851 since I was the most skilled practitioner of the art, 1899 01:35:50,885 --> 01:35:53,754 I myself would do the abortion. 1900 01:35:53,788 --> 01:35:55,256 And I did. 1901 01:35:58,926 --> 01:36:00,661 Are you sure you wanna do this? 1902 01:36:08,302 --> 01:36:09,471 Doctor... 1903 01:36:09,504 --> 01:36:11,972 If you don't wanna be here, you can leave. 1904 01:36:34,628 --> 01:36:36,331 On your own child? 1905 01:36:48,676 --> 01:36:50,345 I mean, why do you give life 1906 01:36:50,378 --> 01:36:53,080 to those with no future? 1907 01:36:53,114 --> 01:36:56,617 Aren't you tired of creating new souls 1908 01:36:56,650 --> 01:36:59,454 that end up with no purpose? 1909 01:36:59,488 --> 01:37:02,491 I mean, you must be bored, right? 1910 01:37:02,524 --> 01:37:03,492 Or are you just like 1911 01:37:03,525 --> 01:37:04,692 playing games? 1912 01:37:05,860 --> 01:37:07,661 I've killed babies 1913 01:37:07,695 --> 01:37:09,997 for the greater good. 1914 01:37:10,030 --> 01:37:13,368 I've killed babies in the name of saving women. 1915 01:37:15,202 --> 01:37:18,706 And I've killed babies because they were unwanted. 1916 01:37:19,974 --> 01:37:21,309 You're a liar! 1917 01:37:21,343 --> 01:37:24,011 You did this, you led me down this path. 1918 01:37:24,044 --> 01:37:25,347 You didn't want them. 1919 01:37:26,515 --> 01:37:27,748 That's the truth. 1920 01:37:30,485 --> 01:37:31,886 Because you wanna know why? 1921 01:37:31,919 --> 01:37:34,922 I'm not the one who's supposed to be perfect, you are. 1922 01:37:37,024 --> 01:37:42,296 But I have done my best. I have worked my hardest. 1923 01:37:42,330 --> 01:37:44,765 I have served humanity. You've watched me. 1924 01:37:45,866 --> 01:37:46,867 Hm? 1925 01:37:50,938 --> 01:37:53,040 Maybe you're just willing but not able. 1926 01:37:55,377 --> 01:37:57,445 And so you're just not omnipotent. 1927 01:37:59,180 --> 01:38:02,584 Or, are you able and not willing and malevolent? 1928 01:38:05,453 --> 01:38:07,888 I don't think it's either. 1929 01:38:07,922 --> 01:38:13,961 The truth is, you are neither willing nor able. 1930 01:38:15,262 --> 01:38:17,097 So, why do I need to call you God? 1931 01:38:28,943 --> 01:38:31,413 Have you seen these new high-tech ultrasounds? 1932 01:38:31,446 --> 01:38:32,913 In the '70s before Roe, 1933 01:38:32,947 --> 01:38:35,249 no one had this technology. 1934 01:38:35,282 --> 01:38:38,085 Not I, not the courts. 1935 01:38:38,118 --> 01:38:41,956 This would change everything, especially for me. 1936 01:38:41,989 --> 01:38:44,426 No, but I hear the new imaging is great. 1937 01:38:44,459 --> 01:38:46,293 You know what, it helps a lot with accuracy. 1938 01:38:46,328 --> 01:38:47,629 Let's go try it out. 1939 01:39:26,334 --> 01:39:27,602 Are you okay? 1940 01:39:38,112 --> 01:39:39,813 It is a person. 1941 01:39:42,651 --> 01:39:44,619 It's a person. 1942 01:39:50,124 --> 01:39:53,461 God, forgive me. What have I done? 1943 01:39:54,995 --> 01:39:57,831 I-I'm so sorry, God. 1944 01:39:57,865 --> 01:39:59,833 I'm so sorry. 1945 01:39:59,867 --> 01:40:02,704 Please, I want her back. 1946 01:40:05,407 --> 01:40:07,709 I killed my own daughter. 1947 01:40:23,824 --> 01:40:26,461 Doctor. Phil McCombs, Washington Post. 1948 01:40:26,494 --> 01:40:27,462 Thank you. Good to see you. 1949 01:40:27,495 --> 01:40:28,663 Thank you for taking the time. 1950 01:40:38,440 --> 01:40:42,209 So, when you take them out, you don't see anything? 1951 01:40:44,746 --> 01:40:46,080 No, you don't see anything. 1952 01:40:47,881 --> 01:40:49,317 I-I-I mean, 1953 01:40:49,351 --> 01:40:51,852 of all the thousands of second trimester abortions 1954 01:40:51,885 --> 01:40:54,188 that I've done, I mean, maybe I've seen 1955 01:40:54,221 --> 01:40:56,190 half a dozen. 1956 01:40:56,223 --> 01:40:58,526 But didn't it bother you when you did? 1957 01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,861 No, not particularly. It was the end product, 1958 01:41:00,894 --> 01:41:03,063 a lifeless limp thing lying there. 1959 01:41:03,097 --> 01:41:05,899 They have a human form. 1960 01:41:05,933 --> 01:41:07,369 Oh, absolutely. 1961 01:41:11,740 --> 01:41:14,642 I-I-I'm sorry. I'm a little bit confused. 1962 01:41:18,278 --> 01:41:22,116 First you said, "All you see is bloody meat." 1963 01:41:22,149 --> 01:41:24,284 Hm-mm. 1964 01:41:24,319 --> 01:41:28,523 But now you're saying you always knew it was a person. 1965 01:41:28,556 --> 01:41:29,457 So Doctor, 1966 01:41:31,959 --> 01:41:33,093 which one is it? 1967 01:41:58,919 --> 01:41:59,953 I knew all along. 1968 01:42:02,757 --> 01:42:04,291 Life exists at conception. 1969 01:42:06,594 --> 01:42:09,831 I mean, I'd taken part in over 70,000 abortions. 1970 01:42:09,864 --> 01:42:12,901 I'd seen other sonograms. 1971 01:42:12,933 --> 01:42:16,270 I knew in my heart what I was doing was wrong. 1972 01:42:16,303 --> 01:42:17,472 And I lied. 1973 01:42:20,642 --> 01:42:22,744 I lied to the world. I lied to God. 1974 01:42:22,777 --> 01:42:25,212 More importantly. I lied to me. 1975 01:42:27,348 --> 01:42:28,850 But I kept on killing. 1976 01:42:30,485 --> 01:42:32,654 Until I had the courage to face the reality 1977 01:42:32,687 --> 01:42:34,656 of the absolute horror of what I was doing. 1978 01:42:39,894 --> 01:42:41,629 I had been an atheist, 1979 01:42:41,663 --> 01:42:45,165 so my opinions on abortion were not influenced by religion. 1980 01:42:45,199 --> 01:42:48,736 And when life gave me more than I could stand, I chose to kneel. 1981 01:43:36,451 --> 01:43:40,388 ♪ There's a fortune In abortion ♪ 1982 01:43:40,421 --> 01:43:43,825 ♪ Just a twist of the wrist And you're through ♪ 1983 01:43:43,858 --> 01:43:44,926 Oooh! 1984 01:43:44,959 --> 01:43:49,062 ♪ The population Of the nation ♪ 1985 01:43:49,096 --> 01:43:52,834 ♪ Won't grow If it's left up to you ♪ 1986 01:43:52,867 --> 01:43:57,372 ♪ There's a fortune In abortion ♪ 1987 01:43:57,405 --> 01:44:01,442 ♪ There's a gold mine In the sex line ♪ 1988 01:44:01,476 --> 01:44:06,213 ♪ Only rabbits Have those habits ♪ 1989 01:44:06,246 --> 01:44:10,952 ♪ Oh, there's a fortune In abortion ♪ 1990 01:44:10,985 --> 01:44:16,089 ♪ You never bother The future father ♪ 1991 01:44:16,123 --> 01:44:20,862 The mass of Negroes, particularly in the South, 1992 01:44:20,895 --> 01:44:25,466 still breed carelessly and disastrously. 1993 01:44:27,635 --> 01:44:31,406 The result that the increase among Negroes, 1994 01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:33,808 more than among whites, 1995 01:44:33,841 --> 01:44:36,611 is that portion of the population 1996 01:44:36,644 --> 01:44:40,014 least intelligent and fit. 1997 01:44:41,516 --> 01:44:42,717 In our country, there's been one group 1998 01:44:42,750 --> 01:44:45,386 associated with reactionary politics, 1999 01:44:45,420 --> 01:44:48,890 behind-the-scenes manipulations, and backward ideas. 2000 01:44:48,923 --> 01:44:50,290 Wait, not the Catholics again? 2001 01:44:50,325 --> 01:44:51,960 Of course, the Catholics. 2002 01:44:51,993 --> 01:44:53,728 Catholic and fundamentalist churches 2003 01:44:53,761 --> 01:44:55,930 have constantly violated the law. 2004 01:44:55,964 --> 01:45:00,401 Violations which breach the wall separating the church and state. 2005 01:45:00,435 --> 01:45:02,403 The justices cited Larry's book 2006 01:45:02,437 --> 01:45:06,507 seven times in their decision, citing no other legal historian. 2007 01:45:08,810 --> 01:45:12,313 Jane Roe became known to the world as Norma McCorvey. 2008 01:45:12,347 --> 01:45:14,415 And when she learned the truth that having an abortion 2009 01:45:14,449 --> 01:45:17,284 was killing a baby and not passing a period 2010 01:45:17,318 --> 01:45:22,457 or removing a bunch of cells, she became pro-life. 2011 01:45:22,490 --> 01:45:26,694 See, the truth is, she herself never even had an abortion. 2012 01:45:28,195 --> 01:45:29,998 They lied to me. 2013 01:45:30,031 --> 01:45:33,334 I didn't go to the Supreme Court for a bunch of women. 2014 01:45:33,368 --> 01:45:36,169 Who lied to you? 2015 01:45:36,203 --> 01:45:38,138 Sarah Weddington. 2016 01:45:38,171 --> 01:45:40,475 I asked her if she knew where to get an abortion 2017 01:45:40,508 --> 01:45:43,111 and she and Linda told me that they didn't. 2018 01:45:43,143 --> 01:45:45,178 She knew where. 2019 01:45:45,212 --> 01:45:47,815 Could you elaborate? 2020 01:45:47,849 --> 01:45:50,351 Sarah had an abortion in Mexico. 2021 01:45:50,385 --> 01:45:53,721 They were just looking for somebody to use. 2022 01:45:53,755 --> 01:45:55,423 Do you feel what you did was wrong? 2023 01:46:00,528 --> 01:46:02,195 You never had an abortion, did you? I mean... 2024 01:46:02,229 --> 01:46:04,365 No. No, sir. I never had an abortion. 2025 01:46:04,399 --> 01:46:05,833 You carried your child to full term. 2026 01:46:05,867 --> 01:46:07,200 Yes, sir, I did. 2027 01:46:07,234 --> 01:46:08,703 You wanted an abortion. 2028 01:46:08,736 --> 01:46:10,338 Yes, sir, I did. 2029 01:46:10,371 --> 01:46:12,305 And in a sense, you were angry at one point 2030 01:46:12,340 --> 01:46:14,909 at Sarah Weddington for not letting you get one 2031 01:46:14,942 --> 01:46:17,177 because it didn't suit their purposes at that time. 2032 01:46:17,210 --> 01:46:19,313 They needed you to be pregnant, right? 2033 01:46:19,347 --> 01:46:21,248 They needed their plaintiff to be pregnant, 2034 01:46:21,281 --> 01:46:22,850 it is exactly right. 2035 01:46:22,884 --> 01:46:26,186 But see, what really was the tell-in of the whole schmeil 2036 01:46:26,219 --> 01:46:28,923 was the fact that when Sarah Weddington came out 2037 01:46:28,956 --> 01:46:32,493 with her book, I don't know, two or three years ago, 2038 01:46:32,527 --> 01:46:34,929 she told in her book that she had an abortion 2039 01:46:34,962 --> 01:46:37,230 and she went to Mexico. 2040 01:46:37,264 --> 01:46:40,168 And when I sat across that table at Colombo's Pizza 2041 01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:43,004 here in Dallas, Texas and I asked her, 2042 01:46:43,037 --> 01:46:44,539 I said, "Sarah, do you know 2043 01:46:44,572 --> 01:46:46,541 where I can go and get an abortion?" 2044 01:46:46,574 --> 01:46:50,778 And she said, "No." Well, she lied to me. 2045 01:46:50,812 --> 01:46:52,245 Some justices 2046 01:46:52,279 --> 01:46:53,848 were leaking to the press. 2047 01:46:53,881 --> 01:46:56,216 Some had family members working for Planned Parenthood. 2048 01:46:56,249 --> 01:46:58,186 Burger and other justices then changed their vote 2049 01:46:58,218 --> 01:47:01,322 because of public outcry and family pressure. 2050 01:47:04,058 --> 01:47:05,760 Dr. Mildred Jefferson became the president 2051 01:47:05,793 --> 01:47:07,528 of National Right to Life, 2052 01:47:07,562 --> 01:47:09,464 and an influence on President Reagan 2053 01:47:09,497 --> 01:47:10,765 becoming pro-life. 2054 01:47:12,467 --> 01:47:14,769 I produced a documentary called The Silent Scream 2055 01:47:14,802 --> 01:47:18,238 where 18 days before you even miss your period 2056 01:47:18,271 --> 01:47:22,376 and realize you're pregnant, there is a heartbeat. 2057 01:47:22,410 --> 01:47:25,747 At ten weeks, when you go to abort your baby, 2058 01:47:25,780 --> 01:47:28,983 she will actually feel the pain of having her limbs torn off. 2059 01:47:29,016 --> 01:47:32,086 This is the silent scream 2060 01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:36,190 of a child threatened imminently with extinction. 2061 01:47:52,173 --> 01:47:54,742 ♪ I put my hope and trust ♪ 2062 01:47:54,776 --> 01:47:58,246 ♪ In things That would not hold ♪ 2063 01:47:58,278 --> 01:48:03,117 ♪ I built my house Upon the sinking sand ♪ 2064 01:48:05,787 --> 01:48:11,659 ♪ And everything I thought I had under control ♪ 2065 01:48:11,692 --> 01:48:16,130 ♪ Failed to satisfy and slipped Right through my hands ♪ 2066 01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:23,204 ♪ There's an aching In my bones ♪ 2067 01:48:25,473 --> 01:48:30,178 ♪ But I know I'm not alone ♪ 2068 01:48:32,146 --> 01:48:36,551 ♪ I can't do this on my own ♪ 2069 01:48:39,053 --> 01:48:45,092 ♪ So I will stand I will stand in your love ♪ 2070 01:48:57,205 --> 01:49:03,377 ♪ I thought my only worth Was in what I could do ♪ 2071 01:49:03,411 --> 01:49:07,915 ♪ I tried to earn the love I don't deserve ♪ 2072 01:49:10,852 --> 01:49:16,757 ♪ I settled for the lie That it was not enough ♪ 2073 01:49:16,791 --> 01:49:21,529 ♪ To receive the gift of grace You freely give ♪ 2074 01:49:23,397 --> 01:49:29,770 ♪ Oh there's an aching In my soul ♪ 2075 01:49:29,804 --> 01:49:36,577 ♪ But I know I'm not alone ♪ 2076 01:49:36,611 --> 01:49:41,916 ♪ No I can't do this on my own ♪ 2077 01:49:44,118 --> 01:49:50,892 ♪ So I will stand I will stand in your love ♪ 2078 01:49:50,925 --> 01:49:59,300 ♪ I will stand I will stand in your love ♪ 2079 01:50:24,326 --> 01:50:29,096 ♪ When everything is broken ♪ 2080 01:50:31,098 --> 01:50:36,203 ♪ Heaven's eyes are open ♪ 2081 01:50:38,172 --> 01:50:49,984 ♪ I can see the storm clouds Lift away ♪ 2082 01:50:51,652 --> 01:50:57,058 ♪ When everything Seems hopeless ♪ 2083 01:50:58,393 --> 01:51:03,831 ♪ Your word will be my compass ♪ 2084 01:51:05,334 --> 01:51:18,913 ♪ I'm standing in the promise You have made ♪ 2085 01:51:20,415 --> 01:51:27,121 ♪ So I will stand I will stand in your love ♪ 2086 01:51:27,154 --> 01:51:33,861 ♪ I will stand I will stand in your love ♪ 2087 01:51:33,894 --> 01:51:40,801 ♪ I will stand I will stand in your love ♪ 2088 01:51:40,835 --> 01:51:50,345 ♪ I will stand I will stand in your love ♪♪ 149955

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