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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:32,866 We are the first all-girl band that wrote their own material 2 00:00:33,033 --> 00:00:35,994 and played their own instruments to be really successful. 3 00:00:37,955 --> 00:00:40,290 All right, this is for you for being so nice. 4 00:00:58,809 --> 00:01:01,937 I gave up looking for a reason 5 00:01:03,313 --> 00:01:07,067 To live with things just the way they were 6 00:01:09,111 --> 00:01:11,530 I came around, used to be 7 00:01:11,738 --> 00:01:14,116 Easy to get to so they 8 00:01:14,324 --> 00:01:17,286 Got to me in just about every way 9 00:01:18,370 --> 00:01:20,581 Caught with no cards up your sleeve 10 00:01:20,789 --> 00:01:22,749 Not much to choose from 11 00:01:23,417 --> 00:01:25,168 Grew up all along 12 00:01:25,335 --> 00:01:27,421 Just thinking that you couldn't lose 13 00:01:29,548 --> 00:01:31,758 I came around, used to be 14 00:01:31,967 --> 00:01:34,386 Easy to get to so they 15 00:01:34,595 --> 00:01:37,472 Got to me in just about every way 16 00:01:39,349 --> 00:01:41,226 Can't stop the world 17 00:01:41,768 --> 00:01:45,856 Can't stop the world Why let it stop you? 18 00:01:46,106 --> 00:01:47,649 People automatically assumed 19 00:01:47,816 --> 00:01:50,485 that we were probably put together by some guy, 20 00:01:50,944 --> 00:01:53,280 but we did it all ourselves. 21 00:01:53,530 --> 00:01:54,573 Let's go! 22 00:02:04,082 --> 00:02:05,334 We got on stage, 23 00:02:05,542 --> 00:02:09,254 and it happened to be a group of women really kicking ass. 24 00:02:09,463 --> 00:02:10,464 It was great. 25 00:02:11,006 --> 00:02:14,593 One in a million bands gets to where we got. 26 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,553 America knew who The Go-Go's were. 27 00:02:18,180 --> 00:02:19,514 These are The Go-Go's. 28 00:02:19,806 --> 00:02:22,100 Charlotte Caffey, Gina Schock, 29 00:02:22,309 --> 00:02:25,020 Jane Wiedlin, Kathy Valentine 30 00:02:25,228 --> 00:02:26,730 and Belinda Carlisle. 31 00:02:26,897 --> 00:02:30,817 The greatest all-girl group of all time, The Go-Go's. 32 00:02:31,443 --> 00:02:33,111 - The Go-Go's! - The Go-Go's! 33 00:02:34,488 --> 00:02:37,616 We were really making big strides, loving what we were doing 34 00:02:37,783 --> 00:02:39,868 and being in that moment of, like, wow! 35 00:02:41,161 --> 00:02:42,621 Can't stop the world... 36 00:02:42,829 --> 00:02:45,499 I couldn't walk down the street at that time. 37 00:02:45,707 --> 00:02:47,584 That's how famous The Go-Go's were. 38 00:02:48,502 --> 00:02:49,702 In the course of a year, 39 00:02:49,795 --> 00:02:52,881 we had gone from playing dive bars to Madison Square Garden. 40 00:02:53,090 --> 00:02:54,257 Can't stop the world 41 00:02:54,424 --> 00:02:57,074 I was on top of the world, I felt like we had made it. 42 00:03:12,317 --> 00:03:14,528 There never would have been The Go-Go's 43 00:03:14,736 --> 00:03:17,739 without the punk rock scene in Los Angeles. 44 00:03:17,948 --> 00:03:20,617 Well, you got it! From Hollywood, The Go-Go's! 45 00:03:21,243 --> 00:03:22,953 Happy Saint Patrick's Day. 46 00:03:26,748 --> 00:03:28,748 There's a problem with the monitor here, 47 00:03:28,875 --> 00:03:31,420 and I'm getting shocked. Sorry. 48 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:39,344 At the time, there were 50 kids tops in the LA punk scene. 49 00:03:39,553 --> 00:03:42,973 It was DIY, and if you were terrible, you were cooler, 50 00:03:43,181 --> 00:03:46,226 and anybody could do whatever they wanted. 51 00:03:46,393 --> 00:03:47,519 It was total freedom. 52 00:03:47,728 --> 00:03:49,563 Don't assume that we never think 53 00:03:49,771 --> 00:03:51,982 You think you know but you haven't a clue 54 00:03:52,149 --> 00:03:53,483 - 'Cause we're - We're 55 00:03:53,650 --> 00:03:54,901 - Here - Here 56 00:03:55,110 --> 00:03:57,070 - Now - Now 57 00:03:57,237 --> 00:04:01,450 We don't need you around 58 00:04:02,576 --> 00:04:05,412 It was about feeling emotion, anger, rage. 59 00:04:05,579 --> 00:04:09,624 And you got to express it. And the rawer, the better. 60 00:04:12,669 --> 00:04:15,005 Don't make the mistake of criticizing 61 00:04:15,213 --> 00:04:16,882 Don't even bother patronizing 62 00:04:17,090 --> 00:04:20,719 I was such a punk, it was like my identity. 63 00:04:22,220 --> 00:04:25,974 Being in The Go-Go's meant being more involved in the scene 64 00:04:26,183 --> 00:04:29,728 with all your friends. Just a great sense of belonging. 65 00:04:29,936 --> 00:04:30,979 ...around 66 00:04:32,564 --> 00:04:34,232 - 'Cause we're - We're 67 00:04:34,441 --> 00:04:39,279 I was a little bit of an outsider, because I wasn't overtly punk rock. 68 00:04:40,071 --> 00:04:41,656 You wouldn't think so looking at me, 69 00:04:41,740 --> 00:04:44,440 I look really straight, but I have a very twisted mind. 70 00:04:47,954 --> 00:04:52,125 We hated society and our parents but we supported each other. 71 00:04:53,543 --> 00:04:57,839 Everyone was welcome, outcasts, geeks, gays, straights, 72 00:04:58,048 --> 00:05:02,093 people of color, women. It was inclusive. 73 00:05:02,677 --> 00:05:04,012 - 'Cause we're - We're 74 00:05:04,221 --> 00:05:05,430 - Here - Here 75 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:06,640 - Now - Now 76 00:05:06,848 --> 00:05:08,848 And that was a great place for me to be, 77 00:05:08,934 --> 00:05:11,728 because I always felt like I didn't fit in. 78 00:05:14,397 --> 00:05:17,191 I kind of had this image of being this really happy person, 79 00:05:17,275 --> 00:05:18,360 and I can be. 80 00:05:18,610 --> 00:05:21,738 But I have this thing in me that's just always there, like... 81 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:26,910 I have a lifelong history of depression. 82 00:05:27,869 --> 00:05:30,956 When I was 15, I tried to kill myself. 83 00:05:34,251 --> 00:05:37,546 Right around that same time, I was looking at Women's Wear Daily, 84 00:05:37,754 --> 00:05:40,454 and they had all these photos of the London punk scene. 85 00:05:41,258 --> 00:05:45,428 Oh, my God, it really spoke to me. I was like, "I want this!" 86 00:05:45,595 --> 00:05:47,889 So I just started making my own punk clothes, 87 00:05:48,098 --> 00:05:51,351 and one weekend, I went to this store on Sunset Strip 88 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,478 that was called Granny Takes a Trip, 89 00:05:53,687 --> 00:05:57,190 and while I was in there, I met Pleasant Gehman. 90 00:05:58,775 --> 00:06:01,361 This little girl came in, she had huge eyes. 91 00:06:01,528 --> 00:06:03,488 She looked like an anime action figure. 92 00:06:04,364 --> 00:06:08,368 She had these shirts that had two zippers sewn in over the boobs, 93 00:06:08,535 --> 00:06:10,787 and so, when you unzipped them, 94 00:06:10,954 --> 00:06:13,790 your bra or your bare boobs would come out. 95 00:06:14,708 --> 00:06:17,758 She told me that there was a scene in Hollywood, a punk scene, 96 00:06:17,919 --> 00:06:20,881 and she gave me a flyer for this club called the Masque. 97 00:06:27,721 --> 00:06:32,350 In the punk scene, there was just so much energy and anger. 98 00:06:35,729 --> 00:06:38,982 And having suppressed bad feelings my whole life, 99 00:06:39,524 --> 00:06:42,026 the suicide attempt was obviously it trying to come out, 100 00:06:42,110 --> 00:06:44,029 and then, becoming a punk rocker, 101 00:06:44,237 --> 00:06:46,990 I felt was a really positive way for it to come out. 102 00:06:48,408 --> 00:06:50,994 People used to cross the street when they saw me. 103 00:06:51,703 --> 00:06:54,748 I felt powerful for the first time. 104 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:58,501 I just felt like I had found my home. 105 00:07:00,712 --> 00:07:03,173 The punk scene gave me an outlet to act out 106 00:07:03,340 --> 00:07:06,885 and be the badass that I thought I was. 107 00:07:08,386 --> 00:07:10,180 I'm the oldest of seven kids. 108 00:07:10,805 --> 00:07:13,767 My father left when I was five. 109 00:07:14,601 --> 00:07:16,311 My stepfather was hardcore, 110 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:18,563 very much an old-school disciplinarian. 111 00:07:19,105 --> 00:07:20,398 We had no money. 112 00:07:21,524 --> 00:07:23,276 I remember growing up and being in school 113 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,610 and always feeling like I was pretending to be 114 00:07:25,695 --> 00:07:27,572 something that I probably wasn't. 115 00:07:28,156 --> 00:07:31,743 I was a real good student, I was a cheerleader. 116 00:07:31,910 --> 00:07:33,411 Does anybody have a cigarette? 117 00:07:33,787 --> 00:07:36,665 But then, I discovered the punk scene, 118 00:07:38,083 --> 00:07:41,002 and that opened up a whole new world for me. 119 00:07:42,420 --> 00:07:45,006 Everybody in the LA punk rock scene... 120 00:07:45,590 --> 00:07:48,718 it was like there was invisible smoke signals 121 00:07:48,927 --> 00:07:50,678 getting sent out of, like, you know, 122 00:07:50,762 --> 00:07:52,912 "You need to go to this club on that night." 123 00:07:54,224 --> 00:07:57,268 And the Sex Pistols were playing at Winterland in San Francisco, 124 00:07:57,352 --> 00:08:00,021 and pretty much everybody in LA drove up. 125 00:08:02,190 --> 00:08:04,567 It was really like a religious pilgrimage. 126 00:08:05,276 --> 00:08:08,326 They were just the kings of the original, original punk scene. 127 00:08:08,488 --> 00:08:13,785 Problem, problem, problem, problem... 128 00:08:13,952 --> 00:08:16,830 The Sex Pistols gave this, like, slacker performance 129 00:08:17,038 --> 00:08:19,249 that wasn't compelling at all. 130 00:08:20,458 --> 00:08:22,585 Johnny Rotten, at the end of the show, 131 00:08:22,794 --> 00:08:24,587 said the famous quote of his. 132 00:08:26,548 --> 00:08:29,217 Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? 133 00:08:29,426 --> 00:08:30,510 Good night! 134 00:08:32,345 --> 00:08:33,845 You know, it was kind of like, 135 00:08:33,972 --> 00:08:37,225 "Oh, man, these guys were our heroes, and they kind of suck." 136 00:08:38,601 --> 00:08:43,815 And it also felt like the first wave of punk was sort of dying. 137 00:08:44,190 --> 00:08:46,990 It was time for some new people to start doing something. 138 00:08:48,194 --> 00:08:50,780 I think that was the weekend I actually got to know Margot, 139 00:08:50,864 --> 00:08:53,491 and then we started talking about forming a band, 140 00:08:53,700 --> 00:08:55,076 a girl band, actually. 141 00:08:55,285 --> 00:08:56,485 Everybody was in a band. 142 00:08:56,619 --> 00:08:58,788 I mean, it was like the cool thing to be in a band. 143 00:08:58,872 --> 00:09:00,623 And we were basically the only people left 144 00:09:00,707 --> 00:09:03,793 that weren't in a band, so we decided to do it too. 145 00:09:05,712 --> 00:09:07,005 I met Elissa. 146 00:09:07,213 --> 00:09:10,550 She was one of my high school friend's cousins. 147 00:09:10,759 --> 00:09:12,677 Margot then met Belinda. 148 00:09:13,053 --> 00:09:16,765 The punk scene was so small, so we all knew each other vaguely. 149 00:09:17,432 --> 00:09:19,517 Thinking about bands like The Shirelles 150 00:09:19,684 --> 00:09:22,687 and The Shangri-Las, it was exciting to think 151 00:09:22,896 --> 00:09:25,607 we could do the new version of that. 152 00:09:26,357 --> 00:09:28,818 But this time, we were going to play instruments. 153 00:09:29,819 --> 00:09:31,071 With one little problem? 154 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:33,429 That we didn't know how to play instruments. 155 00:09:37,285 --> 00:09:38,787 Well, I wanted to play bass 156 00:09:39,412 --> 00:09:42,832 and I knew I would have to learn by doing. 157 00:09:44,959 --> 00:09:48,088 I didn't have drums, I had to go out and find drums. 158 00:09:50,006 --> 00:09:52,383 You know, I had a couple of weeks of folk guitar lessons 159 00:09:52,467 --> 00:09:54,469 when I was 12, I'll just play guitar. 160 00:09:57,931 --> 00:09:59,581 I certainly thought I could sing. 161 00:09:59,724 --> 00:10:02,685 I thought I sounded like Julie Andrews. But... 162 00:10:03,019 --> 00:10:05,522 We can do what we want We can say... 163 00:10:05,730 --> 00:10:07,690 We didn't know what we were doing. 164 00:10:07,857 --> 00:10:09,484 In the punk scene it was like, 165 00:10:09,692 --> 00:10:12,742 "Great, you don't know what you're doing? Just fucking do it." 166 00:10:14,072 --> 00:10:15,240 Charming, darling. 167 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:18,540 We'd sort of been, like, going over different names, 168 00:10:18,701 --> 00:10:20,536 nothing really seemed right or whatever... 169 00:10:20,620 --> 00:10:22,420 Was it the Misfits, it was gonna be? 170 00:10:22,580 --> 00:10:24,540 Because that's how we sort of felt at the time. 171 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:27,710 At that time, The Kinks came out with Misfits, the album. 172 00:10:27,919 --> 00:10:31,255 We thought, "No, everyone will think, you know, we stole it from them." 173 00:10:31,339 --> 00:10:34,884 So, The Go-Go's seemed to fit us. 174 00:10:37,262 --> 00:10:40,640 I remember doing our first show. It was at the Masque. 175 00:10:43,101 --> 00:10:46,688 Everyone was excited when The Go-Go's played at the Masque. 176 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,484 Their set was three songs long, and two of them were the same song. 177 00:10:53,444 --> 00:10:55,071 We only knew those songs, 178 00:10:55,363 --> 00:10:58,074 so it wasn't a matter of having a set list. 179 00:10:59,159 --> 00:11:00,660 We didn't need one. 180 00:11:03,538 --> 00:11:05,164 There's one song about Robert Hilburn 181 00:11:05,248 --> 00:11:08,042 who was a huge music critic at the LA Times. 182 00:11:08,835 --> 00:11:10,435 Betcha think you're really smart 183 00:11:10,545 --> 00:11:12,505 We know better You're a boring fart 184 00:11:12,672 --> 00:11:15,800 New wave music makes good copy Tell us Bob, could punk be art? 185 00:11:17,719 --> 00:11:22,599 People were either laughing or completely mortified in horror. 186 00:11:22,807 --> 00:11:24,976 It was a big, fat mess. 187 00:11:25,685 --> 00:11:27,478 I wasn't really intimidated 188 00:11:27,687 --> 00:11:30,315 about being as terrible as we were in the beginning. 189 00:11:30,523 --> 00:11:31,773 That was the whole point, 190 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:34,611 you can sound horrible and still make music. 191 00:11:36,404 --> 00:11:37,989 I think that deep down inside, 192 00:11:38,198 --> 00:11:40,450 we knew that we had something really special, 193 00:11:40,950 --> 00:11:45,788 but we needed someone that actually knew how to... do it. 194 00:11:49,125 --> 00:11:51,252 Let's try plugging the amps into the wall first, 195 00:11:51,336 --> 00:11:52,754 like, you know what I mean? 196 00:11:54,005 --> 00:11:58,301 When I was very, very young, like, first and second grade, 197 00:11:58,509 --> 00:12:01,012 I had an Elvis Presley record 198 00:12:01,221 --> 00:12:04,807 and Johann Strauss "Blue Danube" waltz. 199 00:12:05,016 --> 00:12:09,229 I would listen to both of them, like put one on, dance around, 200 00:12:09,395 --> 00:12:11,695 put the other one on, waltz around, you know... 201 00:12:13,775 --> 00:12:16,402 I started playing piano when I was four years old. 202 00:12:17,111 --> 00:12:19,656 At a very young age, I was moved by music. 203 00:12:19,822 --> 00:12:22,116 I had an ear for music. 204 00:12:24,118 --> 00:12:27,914 I went to Immaculate Heart College, taking classical piano. 205 00:12:30,250 --> 00:12:32,877 I loved it, but it was kind of snotty attitude, 206 00:12:33,086 --> 00:12:36,547 like, some of these students were just like, "Who are you?" 207 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:41,761 I started going to some of the punk rock shows. 208 00:12:42,762 --> 00:12:47,433 The punk bands just busted me open, knowing that all this music theory, 209 00:12:47,642 --> 00:12:50,728 rules, had to be thrown out the window. 210 00:12:52,438 --> 00:12:55,817 Don't talk to me 211 00:12:56,025 --> 00:12:57,402 When I graduated college, 212 00:12:57,568 --> 00:12:59,988 my best friend Joe Ramirez and I started a band. 213 00:13:00,154 --> 00:13:01,698 We named it The Eyes. 214 00:13:02,949 --> 00:13:06,786 It was one of the most freeing things just to turn up our amps to ten, 215 00:13:06,953 --> 00:13:10,540 bash through, and just anything went. 216 00:13:10,748 --> 00:13:12,959 Don't talk to me Don't look at me 217 00:13:13,167 --> 00:13:15,211 Don't talk to me, oh yeah 218 00:13:15,461 --> 00:13:19,299 Don't talk to me, don't look at me Don't talk to me 219 00:13:19,465 --> 00:13:22,760 That is like a feminist anthem for women of my generation. 220 00:13:24,595 --> 00:13:29,851 Margot and I went to an Eyes show where we thought, "Oh, Charlotte!" 221 00:13:30,059 --> 00:13:31,853 Yeah 222 00:13:32,061 --> 00:13:33,604 We thought she was perfect. 223 00:13:35,690 --> 00:13:40,528 I'm backstage, and I see these two sets of legs walking up. 224 00:13:41,070 --> 00:13:47,035 One has spikey heels, ripped fishnets, a trash bag. 225 00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:49,078 That was Belinda. 226 00:13:49,412 --> 00:13:51,331 She said, "Hi, Charlotte. 227 00:13:51,539 --> 00:13:53,999 You know, we're starting this all-girl band, do you wanna join?" 228 00:13:54,083 --> 00:13:55,918 And what am I gonna say, no? 229 00:13:59,464 --> 00:14:02,300 I was totally intimidated by them, 230 00:14:02,508 --> 00:14:06,012 because Jane and Belinda and Margot, they're all like punks 231 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,016 and they're asking me, like the dork of all time, 232 00:14:10,224 --> 00:14:14,812 to, like, join their band. So, I felt kind of special, I guess. 233 00:14:18,649 --> 00:14:22,153 When they asked, "Hey, do you play lead guitar?" I lied. 234 00:14:23,112 --> 00:14:25,239 I figured I played bass so, you know, 235 00:14:25,531 --> 00:14:28,284 "Yeah, it's a couple more strings, it'll be okay." 236 00:14:32,997 --> 00:14:34,374 We started rehearsing... 237 00:14:36,959 --> 00:14:38,711 but, you know... 238 00:14:40,129 --> 00:14:41,922 we were pretty crappy in the beginning. 239 00:14:42,006 --> 00:14:44,050 We really didn't sound that great. 240 00:14:45,843 --> 00:14:47,595 It was pretty screechy. 241 00:14:49,013 --> 00:14:52,266 I remember going into the Masque one Saturday afternoon, 242 00:14:52,475 --> 00:14:53,892 hearing some music and thinking, 243 00:14:53,976 --> 00:14:56,145 "Oh, who's rehearsing down here today?" 244 00:14:56,354 --> 00:14:58,897 And then, opening a door and seeing Belinda on stage 245 00:14:58,981 --> 00:15:00,691 holding a mic kind of awkwardly. 246 00:15:01,818 --> 00:15:03,986 I just thought, "Oh, God, that's so great, 247 00:15:04,195 --> 00:15:07,281 women pulling together to achieve something," 248 00:15:07,490 --> 00:15:10,535 and I wanted to support that cause and be part of it. 249 00:15:11,786 --> 00:15:13,788 I love communities of women. 250 00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:18,418 This band caught my interest for that reason. 251 00:15:21,462 --> 00:15:23,464 This song's called "Fashion Seekers". 252 00:15:34,517 --> 00:15:38,438 Bland ideas in a borrowed head 253 00:15:39,355 --> 00:15:44,068 We saw no reason why we couldn't be just as good as the boys or men. 254 00:15:44,777 --> 00:15:48,156 They'll suck the shirt right off of your back 255 00:15:48,364 --> 00:15:51,742 We weren't going to be anything but a great band. 256 00:15:55,830 --> 00:15:59,030 They were really on the fast track, and they wanted to get going. 257 00:15:59,250 --> 00:16:03,004 And so, they weren't going to let anything stand in their way. 258 00:16:05,673 --> 00:16:08,009 Elissa was very, very eccentric. 259 00:16:09,260 --> 00:16:12,096 I don't know if she was shy or an introvert, 260 00:16:12,263 --> 00:16:14,515 but she was never really part of the gang. 261 00:16:14,724 --> 00:16:16,476 She always held herself apart. 262 00:16:17,602 --> 00:16:19,770 I was coming from two different worlds. 263 00:16:20,730 --> 00:16:25,026 I had to answer to my employer, and I had to answer to the band. 264 00:16:26,694 --> 00:16:29,739 And they wanted me to quit my job, the girls, 265 00:16:29,947 --> 00:16:31,991 and be more dedicated. 266 00:16:32,158 --> 00:16:36,037 I stuck my toe in the water, but I never dove in all the way. 267 00:16:36,871 --> 00:16:40,374 We definitely needed to bring somebody in that wanted to be there. 268 00:16:41,542 --> 00:16:44,879 I happened to meet the girls at a party one night, and... 269 00:16:45,046 --> 00:16:48,007 That's how it started, I invited 'em over for... 270 00:16:48,216 --> 00:16:49,716 They said, "We're looking for a drummer." 271 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,500 "Oh, we're looking for a drummer." 272 00:16:51,636 --> 00:16:54,180 And I said, "Great. I'll try out for the band." 273 00:16:54,388 --> 00:16:55,765 One, two, three, four 274 00:16:58,893 --> 00:17:01,228 The amps are set up, they bring their guitars, plug in, 275 00:17:01,312 --> 00:17:04,649 we play like three songs, and it was like... done deal. 276 00:17:04,857 --> 00:17:06,567 I buy cologne 277 00:17:06,776 --> 00:17:10,196 Holy shit! I don't even know how to describe the difference. 278 00:17:10,404 --> 00:17:13,491 It was really, like, ta-da! 279 00:17:14,617 --> 00:17:16,410 I need promises... 280 00:17:17,370 --> 00:17:20,289 The next thing I know, they found this other drummer. 281 00:17:20,748 --> 00:17:23,417 I was very upset and hurt. 282 00:17:24,293 --> 00:17:27,129 When you kick people out of bands, it's fucking tough. 283 00:17:27,547 --> 00:17:30,097 But at the time, these things just seemed necessary, 284 00:17:30,258 --> 00:17:32,385 and they seemed for the good of the band. 285 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,178 When she was 13, 286 00:17:34,345 --> 00:17:37,515 she would come home from school, go up into the front bedroom, 287 00:17:37,848 --> 00:17:40,685 put the earphones on and bang on the drums. 288 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:43,819 A lot of girls weren't playing drums back then, 289 00:17:43,980 --> 00:17:46,107 and so I got in a band right away. 290 00:17:46,691 --> 00:17:49,318 We were Baltimore's first new wave punk band. 291 00:17:49,527 --> 00:17:50,653 We had a lot of fun, 292 00:17:50,861 --> 00:17:53,948 but at that point I was like, "I want to play in arenas." 293 00:17:54,156 --> 00:17:56,806 "I don't want to stay playing in clubs my whole life." 294 00:17:58,286 --> 00:18:00,037 When I left Baltimore I told everybody, 295 00:18:00,121 --> 00:18:02,721 "The next time you see me, I'm gonna be a rock star." 296 00:18:03,332 --> 00:18:06,502 I drove across country with a dream and a camera. 297 00:18:06,711 --> 00:18:08,511 I was, like, always taking pictures. 298 00:18:12,008 --> 00:18:14,510 I had 2000 dollars and two grams of coke. 299 00:18:18,848 --> 00:18:20,557 I remember the first time I met Gina, 300 00:18:20,641 --> 00:18:23,641 she had this frizzy blonde hair and she was wearing overalls. 301 00:18:23,728 --> 00:18:26,856 She looked crazy, and I was like, "I'm going to fix you." 302 00:18:27,273 --> 00:18:29,673 She needed a little bit of, you know, punking up. 303 00:18:31,193 --> 00:18:34,822 So, we cut her hair, dyed it black, and she was ready. 304 00:18:36,741 --> 00:18:38,909 Then, I was into taking just Polaroids. 305 00:18:41,662 --> 00:18:44,749 The punk scene allowed you to be whoever you wanted to be, 306 00:18:44,915 --> 00:18:48,215 play the way you wanted to play, and you fit in. You were accepted. 307 00:18:51,047 --> 00:18:54,008 Being in that setting made me feel safe. 308 00:18:55,885 --> 00:18:58,596 And it just allowed us a lot more freedom 309 00:18:58,888 --> 00:19:00,514 to do what we wanted to do. 310 00:19:02,350 --> 00:19:03,643 It's like a dream... 311 00:19:04,977 --> 00:19:06,427 only you're really living it. 312 00:19:09,023 --> 00:19:14,320 Jane was just so cute and sweet and bubbly, and her little voice. 313 00:19:14,737 --> 00:19:17,447 We both had crushes on each other, I guess you could say, 314 00:19:17,531 --> 00:19:19,331 but we were girlfriends for a while. 315 00:19:20,951 --> 00:19:24,101 She was the boss in the relationship, I was the new kid in town, 316 00:19:24,288 --> 00:19:26,457 and it made me feel comfortable. 317 00:19:29,001 --> 00:19:30,419 Jane broke up with me. 318 00:19:36,550 --> 00:19:39,595 It wasn't like either one of us were heartbroken or anything. 319 00:19:39,804 --> 00:19:43,933 You think something like that's going to fuck with the band? No way. 320 00:19:44,141 --> 00:19:46,602 One, two, G-O, G-O 321 00:19:47,853 --> 00:19:50,773 What Gina brought, besides being a really amazing drummer, 322 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:52,900 is that she made us work hard. 323 00:19:53,317 --> 00:19:57,113 She said, "You guys have to rehearse every single night." 324 00:19:57,279 --> 00:19:59,729 And we're just like, "What are you talking about?" 325 00:20:00,074 --> 00:20:03,024 Hey, it doesn't hurt to rehearse, it only makes you tighter. 326 00:20:03,744 --> 00:20:07,039 I mean, I was determined to whip them into shape. 327 00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:12,294 Because I felt there was something magical there. 328 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,630 You just needed to push it more. 329 00:20:14,797 --> 00:20:17,132 You needed to get the girls to be more focused and more serious 330 00:20:17,216 --> 00:20:18,466 about what they're doing. 331 00:20:19,427 --> 00:20:20,428 She was right. 332 00:20:20,928 --> 00:20:27,309 We improved, and it pushed us to another level. And I was on fire! 333 00:20:30,563 --> 00:20:34,483 I was sitting at home, it was about midnight, 334 00:20:34,692 --> 00:20:36,610 I was watching The Twilight Zone. 335 00:20:36,819 --> 00:20:38,529 You're flying to a new planet, 336 00:20:38,738 --> 00:20:42,199 a planet of light, of darkness and the in-between. 337 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,080 I wanted to write a song, and I was listening to the music all day long. 338 00:20:48,539 --> 00:20:50,582 I really wanted to write something with a beat. 339 00:20:50,666 --> 00:20:52,585 I was hearing something in my mind. 340 00:20:53,961 --> 00:20:56,311 I was just sitting there minding my own business 341 00:20:57,298 --> 00:20:59,258 and all of a sudden this whole melody, 342 00:20:59,425 --> 00:21:04,096 this whole idea came to my mind, and I was like, "Oh, shit." 343 00:21:04,597 --> 00:21:06,766 I ran and got my little cassette player. 344 00:21:08,684 --> 00:21:10,269 And I wrote the song, 345 00:21:10,436 --> 00:21:12,736 it was like five minutes, it just all came out. 346 00:21:13,481 --> 00:21:14,940 The zone of writing, 347 00:21:15,441 --> 00:21:18,591 I don't know what happens, but I can get to that place and boom, 348 00:21:18,694 --> 00:21:21,894 just these ideas just start flowing and it's like, it's pretty... 349 00:21:22,364 --> 00:21:24,064 pretty phenomenal when it happens. 350 00:21:26,368 --> 00:21:30,414 Back then, I didn't have a sense of myself. 351 00:21:31,373 --> 00:21:36,378 Songwriting was so important to me, it was my identity, my safety zone. 352 00:21:38,714 --> 00:21:42,092 And so, with "We Got the Beat", I was terrified. 353 00:21:42,259 --> 00:21:45,011 I was thinking, "Man, these girls are going to throw me out of this band," 354 00:21:45,095 --> 00:21:46,430 'cause it was a pop song. 355 00:21:48,432 --> 00:21:51,268 See the people walking down the street 356 00:21:51,435 --> 00:21:53,645 I don't remember her being nervous, I just remember thinking 357 00:21:53,729 --> 00:21:56,941 it was an amazing song. I mean, it's just so obvious. 358 00:21:58,692 --> 00:22:00,361 We all loved it right away. 359 00:22:00,569 --> 00:22:03,030 They got the beat, they got the beat 360 00:22:03,239 --> 00:22:04,990 They got the beat 361 00:22:07,451 --> 00:22:09,751 When she started playing that eighth-note riff, 362 00:22:09,954 --> 00:22:13,354 the pattern that I play on the drums just poured out of me. It was... 363 00:22:13,624 --> 00:22:15,124 I knew it was gonna be like... 364 00:22:18,003 --> 00:22:19,588 I felt like we had arrived. 365 00:22:19,797 --> 00:22:22,883 It was definitely another step up that ladder. 366 00:22:23,676 --> 00:22:25,803 Fortunately, they just loved it. 367 00:22:32,768 --> 00:22:36,063 And I believe that changed the trajectory of the band. 368 00:22:46,073 --> 00:22:48,826 Go-Go music really makes us dance 369 00:22:49,034 --> 00:22:51,077 We were rough sounding when we played live, 370 00:22:51,161 --> 00:22:53,811 but we had these songs that were just coming together. 371 00:22:56,542 --> 00:22:59,753 Just doing those little shows, it was a really cool time. 372 00:23:00,421 --> 00:23:02,590 We were the house band at the Whisky. 373 00:23:04,341 --> 00:23:07,177 So, we would open up for whatever bands would come into town. 374 00:23:07,261 --> 00:23:08,637 Madness came into town 375 00:23:08,804 --> 00:23:11,104 and they were English, you know, we loved that. 376 00:23:12,057 --> 00:23:16,270 All-girl band writing their own tunes? I mean, outrageous! 377 00:23:16,604 --> 00:23:18,063 Yeah, we got it! 378 00:23:19,815 --> 00:23:21,400 We got the beat 379 00:23:21,609 --> 00:23:23,277 Come on, don't be too cool. 380 00:23:23,444 --> 00:23:26,030 They thought we were great and they went back 381 00:23:26,196 --> 00:23:28,407 and spread the word about The Go-Go's. 382 00:23:28,949 --> 00:23:32,286 And then The Specials came, and we opened for them. 383 00:23:32,828 --> 00:23:34,955 One of the best things that happened for The Go-Go's 384 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:36,707 was meeting us, you know? 385 00:23:36,874 --> 00:23:40,252 And I would say one of the best things happened to us 386 00:23:40,419 --> 00:23:41,712 was meeting The Go-Go's. 387 00:23:45,633 --> 00:23:49,303 They were young, they were fresh, they were beautiful. 388 00:23:50,054 --> 00:23:53,182 We are a bunch of misfits, of course, that's why it works! 389 00:23:54,850 --> 00:23:56,685 Their manager started talking with Ginger 390 00:23:56,769 --> 00:24:00,481 about how to bring us over to England so we could tour with both bands. 391 00:24:01,482 --> 00:24:03,782 Somebody from The Specials came to me and said, 392 00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:06,278 "We're planning a seaside tour in England. 393 00:24:06,487 --> 00:24:09,657 Do you think your band might be able to get over there?" 394 00:24:10,074 --> 00:24:11,283 And I said, "Yes!" 395 00:24:12,743 --> 00:24:16,872 I did a lot of pawning of jewelry and selling a lot of things 396 00:24:17,081 --> 00:24:19,667 to be able to get the girls over on that trip. 397 00:24:21,168 --> 00:24:25,422 She sold everything. Her car... She put her whole life on sale 398 00:24:25,589 --> 00:24:28,133 basically to fund us to get to London. 399 00:24:29,843 --> 00:24:32,096 My dad was in the entertainment industry, 400 00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:35,641 but he was not behind me being in this band. 401 00:24:36,517 --> 00:24:41,772 He said, "Hey, there's an opening at the music library at Paramount." 402 00:24:43,065 --> 00:24:47,069 I remember it was like a really good-paying job, 403 00:24:47,444 --> 00:24:49,697 and I just said to him, I said, "I can't," 404 00:24:49,905 --> 00:24:55,285 because inside of me, I had to leave. I had to do this, I had to do it. 405 00:24:57,871 --> 00:25:02,251 Seen your pictures in the 'zines And you look real good 406 00:25:02,418 --> 00:25:04,795 Pale, blank faces Black and white keen 407 00:25:04,962 --> 00:25:06,797 London boys, cigarette lean 408 00:25:07,006 --> 00:25:09,341 London boys, wish you were here 409 00:25:09,508 --> 00:25:11,635 Because the punk rock scene had started in England, 410 00:25:11,719 --> 00:25:13,969 all the bands that we worshipped were English. 411 00:25:14,054 --> 00:25:19,476 I mean, England was always, for us, ground zero of great rock music. 412 00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:21,311 It was like Mecca! 413 00:25:24,857 --> 00:25:26,775 When The Go-Go's come over here, 414 00:25:26,984 --> 00:25:29,611 walking around the city is just really, really bleak. 415 00:25:30,195 --> 00:25:33,907 Shite, absolutely grim, grey. 416 00:25:34,616 --> 00:25:36,994 It wasn't a very nice place to be. 417 00:25:37,161 --> 00:25:40,789 There seemed to be an air of, "Something's about to go off." 418 00:25:40,956 --> 00:25:45,419 We're living in gangster times 419 00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:47,880 Don't call me Scarface! 420 00:25:48,881 --> 00:25:51,884 The Specials and Madness were both ska bands, 421 00:25:52,092 --> 00:25:53,802 and they were stars. 422 00:25:55,095 --> 00:25:58,390 We felt like having these opening slots with two bands 423 00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:01,810 that were at the top of their game, and were very, very successful there, 424 00:26:01,894 --> 00:26:04,313 that, I mean, how could we fail? 425 00:26:08,358 --> 00:26:12,571 It was our first time touring in a tour bus and playing every night. 426 00:26:12,780 --> 00:26:16,116 The street lights are shining bright 427 00:26:17,367 --> 00:26:20,370 The billboards are shedding their light 428 00:26:22,164 --> 00:26:24,458 My crowd's hanging around 429 00:26:24,666 --> 00:26:28,962 We were being spit at, stuff thrown at us every single night. 430 00:26:30,297 --> 00:26:33,217 Ska music attracted a bunch of the white nationalists, 431 00:26:33,383 --> 00:26:36,011 they called themselves the National Front in England. 432 00:26:36,303 --> 00:26:38,347 And they hated us. 433 00:26:39,431 --> 00:26:41,058 First of all, we were not ska, 434 00:26:41,225 --> 00:26:43,935 So what the hell were we doing opening for these ska bands? 435 00:26:44,019 --> 00:26:45,854 Second of all, we're Americans. 436 00:26:46,105 --> 00:26:48,857 And third of all, maybe worst of all, we were chicks. 437 00:26:53,278 --> 00:26:54,738 No, we don't do that... 438 00:26:56,698 --> 00:26:59,659 You know here are these five little girls from southern California, 439 00:26:59,743 --> 00:27:03,080 get up on stage and play to these scary skinheads. 440 00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:04,790 It was frightening. 441 00:27:05,332 --> 00:27:08,544 One venue, a fella was standing people in a line 442 00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:12,631 with a razor, and another fella with a hammer. 443 00:27:14,716 --> 00:27:17,678 The tours were not going at all like we thought 444 00:27:17,845 --> 00:27:19,179 they were going to go. 445 00:27:19,763 --> 00:27:22,913 But at the same time, we were also having the time of our lives. 446 00:27:24,143 --> 00:27:27,271 There was a lot of romances going on between the band members. 447 00:27:27,688 --> 00:27:30,273 But it was good 'cause we all had boyfriends in Madness 448 00:27:30,357 --> 00:27:33,318 or The Specials to console us when we got off stage. 449 00:27:35,028 --> 00:27:36,613 Gina is one... I love her. 450 00:27:37,447 --> 00:27:39,741 "I just didn't know how to come and approach you." 451 00:27:39,825 --> 00:27:41,076 "I should've asked you to marry me, 452 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,660 and you probably would've said no, 453 00:27:42,744 --> 00:27:44,579 "but I'd have felt better that I had asked." You know? 454 00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:47,416 We had such a good laugh. Oh, she's lovely she is. 455 00:27:49,710 --> 00:27:52,880 I met Terry. He was in The Specials. 456 00:27:53,547 --> 00:27:55,632 We were very attracted to each other. 457 00:27:56,216 --> 00:27:58,176 We spent a lot of time together on the tour 458 00:27:58,260 --> 00:28:01,763 and it was kind of sort of a romance, but, I mean, he had a girlfriend, 459 00:28:01,930 --> 00:28:04,724 and supposedly, she was a fiancée and they were going to get married. 460 00:28:04,808 --> 00:28:06,658 And I don't know what I was thinking. 461 00:28:07,644 --> 00:28:10,594 You know, I just thought it was this big, important romance. 462 00:28:15,027 --> 00:28:18,363 Behind the scenes, I was bringing their cassette tapes around. 463 00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:20,830 Stiff Records might've been a small label, 464 00:28:20,991 --> 00:28:23,243 but they had a group of dedicated people. 465 00:28:24,828 --> 00:28:28,040 I think Ginger asked us whether we would like to sign them, 466 00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:31,001 but I thought an American punk girl band 467 00:28:31,168 --> 00:28:33,587 who are objecting to being spit at... 468 00:28:33,754 --> 00:28:36,798 I don't know that it's going to really work. 469 00:28:37,507 --> 00:28:41,428 But I remember seeing "We've Got the Beat" as a potential single, 470 00:28:41,595 --> 00:28:45,641 which was my talent, to find the door opener. 471 00:28:46,934 --> 00:28:50,771 I tried to publish the song, 'cause I could see that it would do well. 472 00:28:50,938 --> 00:28:56,109 They were really pressuring about the publishing, and I had been told 473 00:28:56,276 --> 00:28:58,111 that that was something you don't give up. 474 00:28:58,195 --> 00:29:01,740 Ginger, I think, was a bit more knowledgeable 475 00:29:01,907 --> 00:29:04,409 about the idea of, "Hold onto what you've got." 476 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,331 Thank dog she knew an artist needs to keep their publishing, 477 00:29:09,539 --> 00:29:13,252 because, really, it's one of the only ways to make money, 478 00:29:13,418 --> 00:29:16,168 and it's very valuable and it's valuable for a lifetime. 479 00:29:17,047 --> 00:29:19,633 Well, I stuck to my guns and signed this 480 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,011 one-single deal with Stiff Records. 481 00:29:28,141 --> 00:29:31,311 "Friday, June 6th in Bridlington." 482 00:29:32,271 --> 00:29:36,149 "Tonight was okay, the audience were rude, but we played fair." 483 00:29:36,358 --> 00:29:38,360 Bridlington was pretty shitty. 484 00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:41,363 "Oh, well, I guess we'll try harder". 485 00:29:43,865 --> 00:29:47,015 We were just determined, like, "We're gonna show those fuckers." 486 00:29:47,369 --> 00:29:48,703 Every night, we'd get on stage 487 00:29:48,787 --> 00:29:51,957 and we would be so belligerent with our playing, 488 00:29:52,291 --> 00:29:55,085 and just being even more of who we were. 489 00:29:56,128 --> 00:29:58,505 And you're the one to blame 490 00:29:58,714 --> 00:30:01,008 I used to know my name 491 00:30:01,216 --> 00:30:04,720 But I've lost control of the game 492 00:30:06,054 --> 00:30:08,557 'Cause even though I set the rules 493 00:30:08,724 --> 00:30:11,310 You've got me acting like a fool 494 00:30:11,476 --> 00:30:13,854 They were really wild, crazy audiences, 495 00:30:14,062 --> 00:30:16,398 but we made fans, as well. 496 00:30:16,606 --> 00:30:17,816 Lust to love 497 00:30:18,025 --> 00:30:20,152 Was the last thing I was dreaming of 498 00:30:20,694 --> 00:30:23,113 And now all I want is just to love 499 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,199 Lust turned to love 500 00:30:26,450 --> 00:30:29,119 They're grew, they proved themselves, 501 00:30:29,286 --> 00:30:31,336 and for The Go-Go's, to pick themselves up 502 00:30:31,496 --> 00:30:33,896 and leave from LA and come to London, you know... 503 00:30:33,999 --> 00:30:36,668 Wow! Respect to them girls, man, you know? 504 00:30:38,211 --> 00:30:41,340 Their musicianship, compared to us, was second to none. 505 00:30:42,215 --> 00:30:43,715 They taught me a thing or two. 506 00:30:46,136 --> 00:30:47,429 Lust to love 507 00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:50,682 There was nothing much that we couldn't handle at that point. 508 00:30:51,266 --> 00:30:52,476 Just to love 509 00:30:52,684 --> 00:30:55,645 Lust turned to love 510 00:30:56,063 --> 00:30:57,522 Lust to love 511 00:30:59,024 --> 00:31:00,692 It was us against the world, 512 00:31:01,068 --> 00:31:03,945 and I think we were ready to take it to the next level. 513 00:31:09,576 --> 00:31:13,914 Our Stiff Records single was the key that unlocked the door. 514 00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:18,293 People were able to buy the single in Los Angeles. 515 00:31:20,128 --> 00:31:24,174 KROQ-AM in Burbank and KROQ-FM in Pasadena, 516 00:31:24,466 --> 00:31:26,385 we're live on the Roqs. 517 00:31:27,219 --> 00:31:29,369 Okay, here's The Go-Go's, "We Got the Beat." 518 00:31:29,846 --> 00:31:31,556 When we did come back it was like... 519 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,340 "The triumphant return of the home girls, The Go-Go's!" 520 00:31:35,602 --> 00:31:37,852 Everyone thought we were huge stars in England 521 00:31:37,979 --> 00:31:40,329 and we were not telling them anything different. 522 00:31:40,732 --> 00:31:42,943 I remember doing our first show 523 00:31:43,193 --> 00:31:45,779 after we got back at the Starwood. 524 00:31:46,238 --> 00:31:48,906 There were kids wrapped around the block to get in to see us. 525 00:31:48,990 --> 00:31:50,784 We were like, "Whoa, what happened?" 526 00:31:50,951 --> 00:31:52,551 And I guess our strategy worked. 527 00:32:02,087 --> 00:32:05,632 I was in the Starwood one night, and The Go-Go's were playing 528 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:08,009 and they had been in England. 529 00:32:08,510 --> 00:32:11,263 Go-Go music really makes us dance 530 00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:15,016 It was packed and everyone was going crazy. 531 00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:17,894 That's when they got more of my attention. 532 00:32:17,978 --> 00:32:19,771 I thought, "Okay, they're going places." 533 00:32:19,855 --> 00:32:22,691 'Cause we got the beat, we got the beat 534 00:32:22,899 --> 00:32:25,193 We got the beat 535 00:32:25,402 --> 00:32:27,487 Yeah, we got it 536 00:32:29,197 --> 00:32:30,323 We got the beat 537 00:32:30,532 --> 00:32:33,243 The difference from before that tour and after the tour 538 00:32:33,410 --> 00:32:35,120 was just stunning. 539 00:32:35,287 --> 00:32:36,413 We got the beat 540 00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:40,208 I was like, "Oh, my God, this is going to be huge." 541 00:32:40,667 --> 00:32:42,377 - We got the beat - We got the beat 542 00:32:42,544 --> 00:32:43,545 We got the beat 543 00:32:43,753 --> 00:32:45,714 - We got the beat - We got the beat 544 00:32:45,922 --> 00:32:47,716 - We got the beat - We got the beat 545 00:32:47,924 --> 00:32:49,176 We got the beat 546 00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:54,097 People would freak out when we played. 547 00:32:54,181 --> 00:32:55,265 It was great. 548 00:32:55,432 --> 00:32:58,351 I mean, we felt like we were at the top of our game, 549 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,687 and yet we couldn't get anywhere with it. 550 00:33:07,486 --> 00:33:09,486 I had a file folder of rejection letters 551 00:33:09,613 --> 00:33:12,240 from record labels in Los Angeles. 552 00:33:12,407 --> 00:33:15,911 "Thanks, but you know, all-girl bands just don't sell records." 553 00:33:16,912 --> 00:33:19,956 They wouldn't sign us we were told because we were girls, 554 00:33:20,123 --> 00:33:22,834 and there'd been no predecessor that had been that successful. 555 00:33:22,918 --> 00:33:24,218 There'd been The Runaways, 556 00:33:24,336 --> 00:33:28,173 but we put ourselves together, we had no Svengali. 557 00:33:28,965 --> 00:33:30,217 It was ridiculous. 558 00:33:30,717 --> 00:33:33,167 Okay, we were girls, but look at what we're doing. 559 00:33:34,554 --> 00:33:36,431 You know, close your eyes and listen. 560 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,519 I know a cat who can really do the cool jerk 561 00:33:40,727 --> 00:33:43,312 Through the years I've been asked, "Were you feminists?" 562 00:33:43,396 --> 00:33:47,526 We were, I realize it now, because of our attitudes, 563 00:33:47,734 --> 00:33:48,777 but we weren't, 564 00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:52,277 "We're going to do this against the guys and you know, fuck them," 565 00:33:52,489 --> 00:33:54,198 that kind of thing. We weren't like that at all. 566 00:33:54,282 --> 00:33:56,282 When they see me walking down the street 567 00:33:56,368 --> 00:33:57,994 We thought anything was possible, 568 00:33:58,078 --> 00:34:01,706 including succeeding in that industry that was run by men. 569 00:34:01,915 --> 00:34:06,044 They know I'm the queen of the cool jerk 570 00:34:06,253 --> 00:34:07,921 Oh cool jerk 571 00:34:08,129 --> 00:34:09,839 Knowing about being a woman in a band 572 00:34:09,923 --> 00:34:12,676 and how many obstacles they'd had to face... 573 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,764 That the response isn't, "I'm going to quit." 574 00:34:17,931 --> 00:34:19,224 Bring it down! 575 00:34:22,018 --> 00:34:24,980 It's, "Thank you, assholes, for telling me I can't do this, 576 00:34:25,146 --> 00:34:28,346 thanks for the inspiration, now watch me get my next hit single." 577 00:34:35,782 --> 00:34:37,826 After we got home from England, 578 00:34:38,577 --> 00:34:41,078 I would move back and forth from my parents' all the time 579 00:34:41,162 --> 00:34:42,612 because I'd run out of money. 580 00:34:44,666 --> 00:34:46,418 Terry stayed in touch. 581 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,920 He would send me letters, and in one letter 582 00:34:49,004 --> 00:34:51,506 he talked about how he dreamed of having his own band. 583 00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:53,800 And he sent me a bunch of lyrics. 584 00:34:53,967 --> 00:34:56,469 And he said, "I'm going to write these songs." 585 00:34:57,887 --> 00:34:59,639 Can you hear them? 586 00:35:00,348 --> 00:35:02,475 Talking about us 587 00:35:02,642 --> 00:35:05,562 Telling lies Well, that's no surprise 588 00:35:05,729 --> 00:35:07,314 Can you see them? 589 00:35:07,564 --> 00:35:10,775 I saw the lyrical beginning to "Our Lips Are Sealed." 590 00:35:10,984 --> 00:35:14,529 They have no shield No secrets to reveal 591 00:35:14,821 --> 00:35:17,824 It doesn't matter what they say 592 00:35:18,366 --> 00:35:22,912 In the jealous games people play 593 00:35:24,789 --> 00:35:26,875 Our lips are sealed 594 00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:28,751 And even though I'd gotten a little bit lazy 595 00:35:28,835 --> 00:35:31,462 about writing music, because Charlotte was so good at it, 596 00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:33,839 I figured, why should I bother, I'll just do lyrics. 597 00:35:33,923 --> 00:35:36,760 But this time, I actually went back to writing music. 598 00:35:37,927 --> 00:35:41,389 Hush, my darling 599 00:35:41,890 --> 00:35:45,101 Don't you cry 600 00:35:45,769 --> 00:35:49,272 Quiet, angel 601 00:35:49,564 --> 00:35:51,816 Forget their lies 602 00:35:51,983 --> 00:35:53,526 I just thought it was such a good song. 603 00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:55,070 I was so in love with it. 604 00:35:55,236 --> 00:35:57,238 I didn't show it to the band for weeks and weeks, 605 00:35:57,322 --> 00:35:59,156 'cause I was so afraid if they didn't like it, 606 00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,368 what was I gonna do? I was gonna die. 607 00:36:02,702 --> 00:36:05,163 I remember hearing that song for the first time. 608 00:36:05,330 --> 00:36:06,747 I was completely blown away with it. 609 00:36:06,831 --> 00:36:08,083 No secrets to reveal 610 00:36:08,249 --> 00:36:12,087 Because of Jane's not being a trained musician and writer, 611 00:36:12,253 --> 00:36:14,505 the chord progression in that song is so unusual. 612 00:36:14,589 --> 00:36:16,758 ...people play 613 00:36:16,925 --> 00:36:18,259 It really got your attention. 614 00:36:18,343 --> 00:36:20,136 Our lips are sealed 615 00:36:21,304 --> 00:36:23,848 Pay no mind to what they say 616 00:36:24,057 --> 00:36:26,810 We started writing more melodic songs... 617 00:36:28,311 --> 00:36:31,106 and we got this hybrid of pop and punk. 618 00:36:31,314 --> 00:36:34,275 - Hush now darling - Our lips are sealed 619 00:36:34,484 --> 00:36:36,236 Hush now... 620 00:36:39,072 --> 00:36:41,822 It was changing, and some people didn't like the change. 621 00:36:44,077 --> 00:36:47,580 My identity is punk... I was so absorbed in the scene, 622 00:36:47,789 --> 00:36:51,918 it was my life, my lifestyle, my everything. 623 00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:55,004 Oh, yeah, Margot, fuck, man, yeah, she hated it. 624 00:36:55,171 --> 00:36:57,674 She's like, "I don't want to be a fucking pop band! 625 00:36:57,841 --> 00:36:59,384 I'm in a punk band." 626 00:36:59,843 --> 00:37:02,554 And I don't know, I think the rest of us were like... 627 00:37:03,471 --> 00:37:04,681 "This is evolving, 628 00:37:04,889 --> 00:37:07,892 so fucking get with it or get out." I don't know. 629 00:37:08,643 --> 00:37:11,187 You know, it wasn't just the music, 630 00:37:11,396 --> 00:37:15,817 it was the sense of being packaged into a product. 631 00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:21,448 It was just becoming less about art and more about money. 632 00:37:22,991 --> 00:37:25,952 I just felt like, well what the fuck are you doing it for? 633 00:37:26,327 --> 00:37:28,871 To stay with a following of a couple of thousand people? 634 00:37:28,955 --> 00:37:31,207 Or do you want to have people all over this country 635 00:37:31,291 --> 00:37:33,250 know your music and know your songwriting, 636 00:37:33,334 --> 00:37:35,545 know what kind of musician you are? 637 00:37:38,047 --> 00:37:42,177 We had shows over New Year's Eve at the Whisky, 638 00:37:42,552 --> 00:37:44,929 and Margot had gotten really, really sick. 639 00:37:45,138 --> 00:37:47,599 So, we had to scramble around and find someone. 640 00:37:50,018 --> 00:37:53,521 Kathy, I met at the Whisky-a-Go-Go. 641 00:37:54,522 --> 00:37:56,232 I was approached by Charlotte 642 00:37:56,399 --> 00:37:59,611 and asked if I could play bass, and I said yes. 643 00:37:59,778 --> 00:38:01,070 It was a big lie. 644 00:38:01,696 --> 00:38:04,991 I figured, I've been playing guitar five or six years, 645 00:38:05,158 --> 00:38:06,826 why can't I play a bass? 646 00:38:07,535 --> 00:38:08,912 So, I go home. 647 00:38:09,537 --> 00:38:12,916 First thing in the morning, I borrow a bass from somebody. 648 00:38:13,124 --> 00:38:16,211 Charlotte came over. She brought me a little cassette. 649 00:38:16,419 --> 00:38:17,420 She left. 650 00:38:18,797 --> 00:38:21,257 I plugged my bass into my guitar amp. 651 00:38:23,009 --> 00:38:24,969 Feels weird, I use my pick. 652 00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:32,049 I start listening, I can't hear, it's a rehearsal tape. 653 00:38:32,185 --> 00:38:33,285 It sounds, you know... 654 00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:37,607 You know, I'm like, "Shit." 655 00:38:41,069 --> 00:38:43,780 First thing I have to do is learn on guitar the chords, 656 00:38:43,947 --> 00:38:45,448 because I can't hear. 657 00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:51,120 Then I started picking up some of the bass parts. 658 00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:53,706 What I could make out I learned, 659 00:38:53,873 --> 00:38:56,876 what I couldn't make out I just made up my own. 660 00:39:01,756 --> 00:39:04,425 I played it over and over. 661 00:39:05,844 --> 00:39:07,387 I'm a perfectionist, you know. 662 00:39:09,472 --> 00:39:11,975 The only way to do it as much as I was doing it 663 00:39:12,183 --> 00:39:15,395 was to get pharmaceutical help. 664 00:39:20,024 --> 00:39:23,027 I basically learned all their songs on a coke binge. 665 00:39:32,829 --> 00:39:35,123 Charlotte came over to see how it was going. 666 00:39:35,999 --> 00:39:38,049 I went to her house. She was kind of like, 667 00:39:38,167 --> 00:39:41,004 in the middle of a three-day bender on coke, 668 00:39:41,170 --> 00:39:43,423 and I'd never met anyone like that. 669 00:39:43,590 --> 00:39:45,216 And I thought, "Wow, my God." 670 00:39:46,634 --> 00:39:48,970 She was a badass musician. 671 00:39:49,387 --> 00:39:53,057 She learned those songs on bass in, like, a couple days, 672 00:39:53,266 --> 00:39:54,475 and she had never played bass. 673 00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:56,060 By the time I'd learned those songs, 674 00:39:56,144 --> 00:39:57,744 I just wanted to be in the band. 675 00:39:58,146 --> 00:39:59,606 In case you haven't noticed, 676 00:39:59,772 --> 00:40:02,859 we have a bass player filling in for Margot, she's sick, 677 00:40:03,067 --> 00:40:04,277 and her name's Kathy. 678 00:40:04,485 --> 00:40:06,487 Kathy Valentine, yeah. 679 00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:12,410 In came Kathy Valentine like a knight in shining armor. 680 00:40:14,787 --> 00:40:17,916 I got to be there with the sold-out shows. 681 00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:23,755 It was everything that I had been looking for since I started playing. 682 00:40:25,548 --> 00:40:26,966 I'm an only child, 683 00:40:27,467 --> 00:40:30,136 and it was just me and my mom when I was raised. 684 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:35,099 I really liked the idea of a band being a family. 685 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,609 Right away, I just felt like these are going to be my sisters. 686 00:40:39,812 --> 00:40:41,397 Something just felt right, 687 00:40:41,606 --> 00:40:43,733 it just felt like, "We're here." 688 00:40:43,942 --> 00:40:46,527 Last night you slept, you slept in fits 689 00:40:46,778 --> 00:40:48,487 You smashed your windows bit by bit 690 00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:50,490 They wanted me, and I wanted them, 691 00:40:50,949 --> 00:40:53,576 and I guess it's a lot like cheaters, 692 00:40:53,743 --> 00:40:56,412 you know, people having affairs. 693 00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:00,458 I remember Margot being true to herself 694 00:41:00,625 --> 00:41:02,335 and very authentic. 695 00:41:03,086 --> 00:41:05,588 She wanted to remain a punk band but we didn't, 696 00:41:05,838 --> 00:41:07,966 so we just... 697 00:41:08,424 --> 00:41:11,219 decided it was best to carry on without her. 698 00:41:13,096 --> 00:41:15,682 I was told I had to do the firing, because, 699 00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:18,643 "You're the manager, Ginger, you've got to do it." 700 00:41:18,851 --> 00:41:22,563 Because none of them had the guts to do it. 701 00:41:25,358 --> 00:41:28,778 It was a shock to get a phone call from Ginger. 702 00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:32,865 "You're out of the band. The girls didn't want to tell you." 703 00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:37,453 It was a decision that they had made, and that was it. 704 00:41:39,205 --> 00:41:44,794 It was something I'd worked so hard for, and with friends. 705 00:41:45,378 --> 00:41:48,798 People ask me, "How do you deal with such betrayal?" 706 00:41:49,173 --> 00:41:51,426 In our little scene in LA, 707 00:41:51,592 --> 00:41:54,303 there was lots of gossip and lots of people talking about us, 708 00:41:54,387 --> 00:41:55,555 and not in a good way. 709 00:41:55,805 --> 00:41:59,142 We had fired Margot, we had sold out, 710 00:41:59,392 --> 00:42:03,646 we weren't a punk band, we were ambitious. 711 00:42:04,772 --> 00:42:07,900 In the community, it became like a divorce. 712 00:42:08,109 --> 00:42:10,737 Because it was like they were on a rocket to fame 713 00:42:10,903 --> 00:42:13,072 and they decided to fuck Margot over. 714 00:42:13,698 --> 00:42:16,743 I knew I would miss the scene and the community, 715 00:42:16,951 --> 00:42:19,954 but I didn't want to be hanging out where I... 716 00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:24,667 would risk running into them. I didn't want to see them at all. 717 00:42:25,543 --> 00:42:28,755 Pay no mind to what they say 718 00:42:29,422 --> 00:42:33,134 - It doesn't matter anyway - Hey, hey, hey 719 00:42:33,342 --> 00:42:35,803 I didn't think about how that must have felt for her. 720 00:42:35,887 --> 00:42:37,013 Our lips are sealed 721 00:42:37,221 --> 00:42:39,849 There were shows booked for three weeks later, 722 00:42:40,016 --> 00:42:42,977 and I just wanted to make sure I was the one doing them, you know. 723 00:42:43,061 --> 00:42:46,105 Pay no mind to what they say 724 00:42:46,314 --> 00:42:50,401 Kathy Valentine fit right in and was the needed change 725 00:42:50,568 --> 00:42:53,029 to propel the band to their next step. 726 00:42:53,196 --> 00:42:54,906 Our lips are sealed 727 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,951 Our lips are sealed 728 00:43:00,453 --> 00:43:04,916 You have no idea how barren the landscape was in '81. 729 00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:08,503 The idea that women, a host of different women, 730 00:43:08,669 --> 00:43:11,380 would tell their stories in these kinds of songs 731 00:43:11,547 --> 00:43:13,466 and do it the punk way... 732 00:43:14,884 --> 00:43:17,534 Finding their own way in a very difficult environment, 733 00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:19,138 that was unheard of. 734 00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:28,605 There was a whole new generation of music coming up 735 00:43:28,689 --> 00:43:31,609 and the establishment record business 736 00:43:31,776 --> 00:43:33,486 really sort of dismissed them, 737 00:43:34,153 --> 00:43:37,156 and I saw them as a generational change. 738 00:43:37,698 --> 00:43:40,076 Miles Copeland, who managed The Police, 739 00:43:40,284 --> 00:43:42,787 decided to start his own boutique label. 740 00:43:42,954 --> 00:43:44,554 And he called it I.R.S. Records. 741 00:43:45,456 --> 00:43:48,709 Part of what I wanted to do was to find some... 742 00:43:48,918 --> 00:43:50,378 local American bands. 743 00:43:51,504 --> 00:43:53,464 And I'd heard about The Go-Go's. 744 00:43:53,923 --> 00:43:56,926 All girls, punks from LA? 745 00:43:57,385 --> 00:43:59,636 Even if they were crap you'd almost want to sign them, 746 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:00,770 you know what I mean? 747 00:44:00,930 --> 00:44:03,030 But they were good and they had good songs. 748 00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:08,146 We signed on April 1st to I.R.S. Records 749 00:44:08,354 --> 00:44:11,399 and the next day, we flew to New York. 750 00:44:11,566 --> 00:44:14,277 ...if you could and be one of us 751 00:44:14,443 --> 00:44:16,445 We played a couple more gigs. 752 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,830 You know, I was 22 years old in New York City making a record. 753 00:44:26,247 --> 00:44:28,708 Change the lines that were said before 754 00:44:28,875 --> 00:44:29,876 We're all dreamers 755 00:44:30,042 --> 00:44:31,878 With The Go-Go's as a punk band, 756 00:44:32,295 --> 00:44:36,424 they didn't have the experience to know they could do more 757 00:44:36,591 --> 00:44:38,342 than just execute the moment. 758 00:44:39,927 --> 00:44:42,763 That's what I would try to instill in them, 759 00:44:43,097 --> 00:44:45,725 and to say there are grooves, there are feelings. 760 00:44:45,892 --> 00:44:48,853 If your songs are really good, you don't run through them. 761 00:44:50,688 --> 00:44:53,357 Change the lines that were said before 762 00:44:53,649 --> 00:44:56,027 We're all dreamers, we're all whores 763 00:44:56,235 --> 00:44:59,655 Discarded stars like worn-out cars 764 00:45:00,448 --> 00:45:02,450 When Richard Gottehrer got a hold of us, 765 00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:04,300 he said, "Slow everything down." 766 00:45:04,493 --> 00:45:07,705 This town, litter the streets in this town 767 00:45:07,914 --> 00:45:10,124 So, you could actually understand the words 768 00:45:10,291 --> 00:45:12,877 and the melodies were more flowing. 769 00:45:13,044 --> 00:45:15,296 This town is our town 770 00:45:15,463 --> 00:45:17,548 It is so glamorous 771 00:45:17,715 --> 00:45:20,676 That's when I realized, these are all pop songs. 772 00:45:20,843 --> 00:45:22,845 And be one of us 773 00:45:26,224 --> 00:45:29,852 I think actually it was my idea for the face masks and towels, 774 00:45:30,144 --> 00:45:32,813 to sort of be timeless and incognito. 775 00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:35,490 I thought fabulous graphically, 776 00:45:35,608 --> 00:45:37,985 I thought, "Oh, that could be really brilliant." 777 00:45:39,445 --> 00:45:43,324 Once again, we had no money, so, Ginger went to Macy's 778 00:45:43,532 --> 00:45:45,034 and bought all those towels. 779 00:45:45,201 --> 00:45:48,037 She returned those towels to Macy's afterwards. 780 00:45:48,371 --> 00:45:50,956 I couldn't invest in all these brand-new fluffy, white, 781 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,918 expensive towels. We couldn't afford those. 782 00:45:54,293 --> 00:45:56,295 It is so glamorous 783 00:45:56,504 --> 00:46:00,132 We were like going through adolescence again together. 784 00:46:03,803 --> 00:46:06,097 Being the good middle-class boy growing up, 785 00:46:06,472 --> 00:46:08,474 girls are one way, guys are another way. 786 00:46:08,683 --> 00:46:10,476 Well, I learned it's not like that. 787 00:46:11,435 --> 00:46:13,354 I learned that completely from them. 788 00:46:15,815 --> 00:46:18,442 We'd get done with a session and I'd hear something like, 789 00:46:18,526 --> 00:46:20,068 "Let's go get some booty tonight." 790 00:46:20,152 --> 00:46:21,821 And I'm thinking, "Booty?" 791 00:46:23,698 --> 00:46:26,617 We had a lot of fun, did a lot of drugs, drank a lot, 792 00:46:26,784 --> 00:46:28,160 just like a band does. 793 00:46:29,537 --> 00:46:34,417 Just a bunch of scruffy girls, having the time of our life. 794 00:46:34,709 --> 00:46:36,210 This town 795 00:46:38,254 --> 00:46:43,384 But in the midst of all the bonding and insanity and fun, 796 00:46:44,218 --> 00:46:48,264 I just felt so much distance with Charlotte. 797 00:46:50,725 --> 00:46:54,020 Charlotte tended to isolate herself quite a bit. 798 00:46:54,353 --> 00:46:57,105 So, we had really... She had this whole secret life going on. 799 00:46:57,189 --> 00:46:59,358 We knew it probably wasn't good. 800 00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:03,529 Okay, let me talk about myself. 801 00:47:03,696 --> 00:47:06,157 I was full-blown heroin addict at the time. 802 00:47:06,324 --> 00:47:09,160 So, I would be scoring dope, which is so scary. 803 00:47:09,368 --> 00:47:11,537 Like, I'd go down to Alphabet City. Yikes! 804 00:47:13,289 --> 00:47:15,666 When I moved to New York, I became a squatter 805 00:47:15,875 --> 00:47:18,294 living in what is now the East Village, 806 00:47:18,544 --> 00:47:23,674 and I saw Charlotte walking east to Alphabet City. 807 00:47:24,884 --> 00:47:28,304 The Alphabets is where everyone would go to cop drugs, 808 00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:30,639 so I knew where she was going. 809 00:47:36,687 --> 00:47:40,232 After I graduated from college, I tried heroin for the first time. 810 00:47:40,399 --> 00:47:42,943 "Oh, let me try this. I'll be fine!" 811 00:47:43,152 --> 00:47:46,002 It was like, you know, a little matchstick-head-size of... 812 00:47:46,113 --> 00:47:47,156 That I snorted. 813 00:47:48,908 --> 00:47:51,160 It made me feel really great, and I was like, 814 00:47:51,369 --> 00:47:53,245 "Wow, I like this feeling!" 815 00:47:53,454 --> 00:47:57,875 But I didn't understand at that time, like, it was deadly shit. 816 00:47:58,334 --> 00:47:59,919 Then, I became addicted. 817 00:48:00,252 --> 00:48:04,090 Automatic, time stop 818 00:48:04,298 --> 00:48:06,592 She and I were like, sharing a room together 819 00:48:06,759 --> 00:48:10,262 and she was actively having a heroin addiction, 820 00:48:10,471 --> 00:48:14,183 which I never saw her take heroin, I never saw heroin. 821 00:48:14,392 --> 00:48:16,935 I mean, how did she do that? She was very secretive. 822 00:48:17,019 --> 00:48:18,895 She'd come to rehearsal, I'd say, "Look at her fucking eyes! 823 00:48:18,979 --> 00:48:20,879 Her eyes are pinned, look at her eyes!" 824 00:48:21,524 --> 00:48:23,984 And I went and I knocked on her door. 825 00:48:24,235 --> 00:48:26,487 She answered and she had on her Ray-Bans. 826 00:48:26,695 --> 00:48:29,156 And I said, "They told me that you do heroin." 827 00:48:29,323 --> 00:48:31,325 And she just looked at me, she said, "No, no, no." 828 00:48:31,409 --> 00:48:33,059 And I was like, "Oh, okay, good." 829 00:48:34,036 --> 00:48:35,871 She was way more out of control 830 00:48:36,163 --> 00:48:38,582 than I think any of us really knew about. 831 00:48:41,544 --> 00:48:42,628 You all right? 832 00:48:42,795 --> 00:48:44,504 Yeah, I'm trying to figure something out here. 833 00:48:44,588 --> 00:48:45,631 Okay, go ahead. 834 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,466 Just put yours first, just keep it the same. 835 00:48:47,550 --> 00:48:50,302 Are we both saying it? "Hi, we're Kathy and Charlotte." 836 00:48:50,511 --> 00:48:52,138 - Yeah, let's just do it. - Okay. 837 00:48:52,304 --> 00:48:54,765 Yeah. Okay, we'll give it a try. 838 00:48:55,057 --> 00:48:57,643 Here we go. In three, two... 839 00:48:58,352 --> 00:49:01,272 Hi, we're Kathy and Charlotte of The Go-Go's 840 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,733 and you can watch MTV 24 hours a day 841 00:49:04,942 --> 00:49:07,528 on cable vision in stereo. 842 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,162 Can you hear them? 843 00:49:16,328 --> 00:49:18,080 They talk about us... 844 00:49:18,497 --> 00:49:23,461 The Go-Go's and MTV came up at the perfect time for each other, 845 00:49:23,752 --> 00:49:26,046 because MTV was all about, 846 00:49:26,213 --> 00:49:28,924 "This is what the artists that you love look like." 847 00:49:29,467 --> 00:49:33,804 They came along looking adorable and effervescent and fun. 848 00:49:33,971 --> 00:49:35,848 It just was a match made in heaven. 849 00:49:36,015 --> 00:49:37,266 Hey, hey, hey 850 00:49:39,518 --> 00:49:41,812 Our lips are sealed 851 00:49:42,313 --> 00:49:45,149 Well, it was a cheap music video, actually. 852 00:49:45,524 --> 00:49:49,069 "Our Lips Are Sealed" was done on a 6000-dollar budget, 853 00:49:49,278 --> 00:49:52,531 and that money came from a Police video 854 00:49:52,740 --> 00:49:55,075 that they didn't spend all their money on, 855 00:49:55,242 --> 00:49:57,828 so Miles took the money and let us spend it. 856 00:49:59,497 --> 00:50:00,998 Doesn't matter what they say 857 00:50:01,207 --> 00:50:03,707 We had no idea how important video was going to be, 858 00:50:03,792 --> 00:50:06,045 so we thought, "This is a big waste of time. 859 00:50:06,253 --> 00:50:07,922 Why are we doing this?" 860 00:50:08,088 --> 00:50:09,381 None of us took it seriously. 861 00:50:09,465 --> 00:50:12,551 We wanted to get arrested and have that on tape. 862 00:50:13,427 --> 00:50:15,638 We decided if we jumped in the fountain, 863 00:50:15,804 --> 00:50:17,889 the Beverly Hills cops would come and arrest us 864 00:50:17,973 --> 00:50:20,768 and it would be a really great way to end the video. 865 00:50:20,935 --> 00:50:23,312 So, we're sitting there frolicking in the water, 866 00:50:23,479 --> 00:50:25,229 frolicking, frolicking, frolicking. 867 00:50:25,356 --> 00:50:28,233 We jumped around in that goddamn fountain for quite a while 868 00:50:28,317 --> 00:50:30,402 and nobody even paid any attention to us. 869 00:50:30,778 --> 00:50:32,321 No one would arrest us. 870 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,075 Next thing you know, MTV is the biggest thing in America 871 00:50:36,283 --> 00:50:39,203 and they're showing The Go-Go's every half hour. 872 00:50:39,411 --> 00:50:41,038 Our lips are sealed 873 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,168 I was saying to Ginger, "Your band is happening." 874 00:50:46,794 --> 00:50:48,963 "If we put you on opening for The Police, 875 00:50:49,421 --> 00:50:53,926 it's going to really open so many more eyes and more ears 876 00:50:54,093 --> 00:50:56,720 that it might really help make the difference." 877 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,933 Miles Copeland, with his vision saying, 878 00:51:01,183 --> 00:51:03,602 "Would you like The Go-Go's to open for The Police?" Why, yes! 879 00:51:03,686 --> 00:51:07,064 It was a coup for us, because they were huge at the time. 880 00:51:07,648 --> 00:51:10,859 We traveled around the world opening for them. 881 00:51:16,156 --> 00:51:18,993 They were the best opening act ever. 882 00:51:19,201 --> 00:51:22,413 The Go-Go's came out, they were so enthusiastic, so up! 883 00:51:22,580 --> 00:51:23,930 Their songs were so bright, 884 00:51:24,123 --> 00:51:26,292 that they just would light up the room. 885 00:51:27,126 --> 00:51:29,461 Walking by 886 00:51:29,712 --> 00:51:34,425 You hold your head so close to hers 887 00:51:34,633 --> 00:51:39,263 I could cry, I could cry 888 00:51:39,513 --> 00:51:41,223 I want to be... 889 00:51:41,432 --> 00:51:44,282 When we toured with The Police, it took us from playing... 890 00:51:44,393 --> 00:51:46,061 clubs to arenas. 891 00:51:46,854 --> 00:51:49,440 When I walked out on stage, I almost died. 892 00:51:52,568 --> 00:51:55,195 How much more can I take 893 00:51:55,404 --> 00:51:58,490 They had the most important ingredient of musicianship, 894 00:51:58,699 --> 00:51:59,742 which is feel. 895 00:52:00,618 --> 00:52:03,245 They established a groove that worked, 896 00:52:03,454 --> 00:52:05,080 that you could lock into. 897 00:52:05,289 --> 00:52:08,042 They just created something that exploded on the stage. 898 00:52:08,292 --> 00:52:11,337 Yeah, crazy, oh, yeah 899 00:52:11,837 --> 00:52:13,005 Yeah! 900 00:52:19,345 --> 00:52:21,138 During that Police tour, 901 00:52:21,472 --> 00:52:23,972 our album kept going up and up and up in the chart. 902 00:52:24,058 --> 00:52:29,438 Their album was like a sky rocket, and that made it really fun for us. 903 00:52:29,605 --> 00:52:32,655 It was like a vicarious thrill, because we were old and jaded, 904 00:52:33,651 --> 00:52:36,111 to see these women, a new band, 905 00:52:36,403 --> 00:52:38,739 experiencing the thrill for the first time, 906 00:52:38,947 --> 00:52:40,532 that lit us up. 907 00:52:40,824 --> 00:52:44,495 We were in Atlanta and Sting came in the dressing room and... 908 00:52:44,662 --> 00:52:45,913 he's got champagne. 909 00:52:46,580 --> 00:52:49,750 "Congratulations, girls." We're looking at him, like, "What?" 910 00:52:50,459 --> 00:52:52,836 He said, "Your record has passed ours." 911 00:52:54,004 --> 00:52:56,554 They were number six and then we went to number one. 912 00:52:59,718 --> 00:53:01,345 They brought us champagne. 913 00:53:01,553 --> 00:53:04,181 It was actually very gentlemanly of them to do that 914 00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:06,684 and not kick us off the tour! 915 00:53:07,976 --> 00:53:10,020 Beauty and the Beat has gone to number one, 916 00:53:10,104 --> 00:53:13,273 and I think we were all kind of over the moon. 917 00:53:14,733 --> 00:53:17,569 This is it, this is everything. 918 00:53:18,237 --> 00:53:21,949 Every step along the way, it just kept getting better. 919 00:53:23,075 --> 00:53:26,370 I wish there was another phrase other than "dream come true," 920 00:53:26,537 --> 00:53:30,708 because it was so beyond that. It was like it fulfilled everything. 921 00:53:31,125 --> 00:53:34,211 This is a circus. I swear. 922 00:53:35,921 --> 00:53:39,299 When you have something that bucks the system and succeeds, 923 00:53:39,550 --> 00:53:40,843 it opens people's eyes. 924 00:53:41,051 --> 00:53:43,762 They did something that no group has ever done before them, 925 00:53:43,846 --> 00:53:46,097 and that is have a number-one album in the United States, 926 00:53:46,181 --> 00:53:47,224 being all girls. 927 00:53:48,142 --> 00:53:51,770 They opened people's eyes to potential for women 928 00:53:51,937 --> 00:53:55,107 to do something that had never really been done before. 929 00:53:56,650 --> 00:53:59,987 For The Go-Go's to have a debut album go to number one, 930 00:54:00,279 --> 00:54:03,073 that's something that only like, 26 other artists have done, 931 00:54:03,157 --> 00:54:06,910 like, you know, the biggies, Elvis, The Beatles. 932 00:54:07,786 --> 00:54:08,912 They made history. 933 00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:12,332 They're the first all-female band, to play their own instruments, 934 00:54:12,499 --> 00:54:16,628 write their own songs, number-one record for six weeks. 935 00:54:17,171 --> 00:54:18,172 Mic drop. 936 00:54:22,134 --> 00:54:25,763 When I went to The Go-Go's concert in 1982, 937 00:54:26,054 --> 00:54:32,227 as a young girl going into a space where women own the stage, 938 00:54:32,770 --> 00:54:37,441 and own it unapologetically like they were born to be there... 939 00:54:38,525 --> 00:54:41,862 To me, it represented a moment of possibility. 940 00:54:42,112 --> 00:54:43,489 Thanks, good night! 941 00:54:48,243 --> 00:54:49,536 Thanks a lot! 942 00:54:50,078 --> 00:54:52,163 These... We're having a high school reunion, you see. 943 00:54:52,247 --> 00:54:54,397 I went to high school with all these people. 944 00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:55,850 Girls run up to us and say, 945 00:54:56,001 --> 00:54:58,253 "Oh, you know, we started a band because of you!" 946 00:54:58,337 --> 00:55:00,046 And that's probably the best feeling in the world, 947 00:55:00,130 --> 00:55:02,424 I mean, it's really great to think that you inspire people 948 00:55:02,508 --> 00:55:03,926 to go out and start a band. 949 00:55:04,134 --> 00:55:06,970 So, this is the dawning of a new era, this is it. 950 00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:12,768 Everybody has a different perspective I'm sure, 951 00:55:12,935 --> 00:55:14,519 on what happened at Saturday Night Live. 952 00:55:14,603 --> 00:55:15,604 Oh, God. 953 00:55:17,356 --> 00:55:19,149 We got there 11:00 in the morning, 954 00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:22,402 and we had to wait until 11:00 at night basically. 955 00:55:22,736 --> 00:55:25,614 I think it was just a case of us 956 00:55:26,365 --> 00:55:29,701 sitting around a TV studio way too long, 957 00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:32,287 and then just starting to dip into the booze. 958 00:55:33,247 --> 00:55:35,457 Let's have a toast, champagne. 959 00:55:35,707 --> 00:55:38,919 And then, oh, it's lunch time, we'll have some wine. 960 00:55:39,711 --> 00:55:43,298 So then, you want to balance it out, you want to lift things up a little, 961 00:55:43,382 --> 00:55:45,759 so magically the blow appears. 962 00:55:46,468 --> 00:55:48,011 Right before we went on, they said, 963 00:55:48,095 --> 00:55:51,347 "Remember, girls, you're playing in front of 50 million people live." 964 00:55:51,431 --> 00:55:52,631 And we were just like... 965 00:55:52,850 --> 00:55:55,269 Yeah, we got it 966 00:55:55,477 --> 00:55:57,479 We were like cross-eyed drunk. 967 00:56:00,774 --> 00:56:05,195 The funny thing is, the next day, we sold a ton of records. 968 00:56:06,154 --> 00:56:09,074 Even buzzing, messed-up Go-Go's 969 00:56:09,241 --> 00:56:11,159 being beamed into people's living rooms, 970 00:56:11,243 --> 00:56:14,643 it' still something that people are just going, "Whoa, we like this." 971 00:56:17,249 --> 00:56:20,335 Well, now that we've had a little bit of success and stuff 972 00:56:20,502 --> 00:56:23,881 and now we know how wonderful it can be, we want more. 973 00:56:25,716 --> 00:56:28,719 The Rolling Stone cover was supposed to be a comment 974 00:56:28,886 --> 00:56:30,929 on sexism, and obviously it backfired, 975 00:56:31,179 --> 00:56:33,807 because if we had really been trying to be sexy 976 00:56:33,974 --> 00:56:35,726 and push our wares as women, 977 00:56:35,976 --> 00:56:38,228 you know, we would have worn sexy underwear instead of, 978 00:56:38,312 --> 00:56:40,564 you know, Hanes and Fruit of the Loom. 979 00:56:40,772 --> 00:56:43,775 It's so tame, but when it came out, it did not help 980 00:56:43,984 --> 00:56:45,986 that Rolling Stone chose the headline: 981 00:56:46,194 --> 00:56:47,696 "The Go-Go's Put Out." 982 00:56:48,906 --> 00:56:52,618 "Ginger, you've gotta call Rolling Stone. We're not happy. 983 00:56:52,826 --> 00:56:54,619 We don't like that they used these pictures 984 00:56:54,703 --> 00:56:56,705 on the front of the magazine." 985 00:56:57,247 --> 00:57:00,292 So, I phoned Rolling Stone and asked for Jann, the publisher. 986 00:57:00,500 --> 00:57:03,921 "I said," Jann, some of the girls are very upset about the image 987 00:57:04,129 --> 00:57:06,048 used on the front of the magazine." 988 00:57:06,506 --> 00:57:09,426 And there was a brief pause and Jann said, 989 00:57:09,843 --> 00:57:12,428 "I thought you were calling me to thank me for the cover. 990 00:57:12,512 --> 00:57:14,431 You girls need to grow up." Clunk! 991 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,267 Maybe that's why we're not in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, 992 00:57:17,351 --> 00:57:19,603 those ungrateful wenches! 993 00:57:21,730 --> 00:57:23,565 Our success was so quick... 994 00:57:25,734 --> 00:57:28,403 and I always felt like a little bit of an impostor 995 00:57:28,570 --> 00:57:31,239 when it came to success, like it was undeserved. 996 00:57:31,406 --> 00:57:33,074 We asked them why they are succeeding 997 00:57:33,158 --> 00:57:34,701 where other girl groups have failed. 998 00:57:34,785 --> 00:57:37,036 The majority of the reason must be because of the songs, 999 00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,705 because if people don't like your songs 1000 00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:40,957 they're not gonna wanna come see you live or buy your records. 1001 00:57:41,041 --> 00:57:43,126 Doesn't matter whether you're a girl or whatever you are. 1002 00:57:43,210 --> 00:57:44,920 I think that timing and luck. 1003 00:57:45,671 --> 00:57:47,589 There is an element of that. 1004 00:57:47,756 --> 00:57:50,550 I think, luckily for us, there are now five... 1005 00:57:51,843 --> 00:57:56,431 women all in one band who all have fear of failure. 1006 00:57:57,224 --> 00:57:58,225 Really. 1007 00:58:00,143 --> 00:58:03,563 I think everybody, not just the band, probably the record company was... 1008 00:58:03,647 --> 00:58:05,648 scrambling around to figure out what to do next 1009 00:58:05,732 --> 00:58:07,432 on the back of such a big success. 1010 00:58:07,526 --> 00:58:10,069 Putting out a second album made sense to the record industry, 1011 00:58:10,153 --> 00:58:13,907 because they want to make more records and make more money. 1012 00:58:14,074 --> 00:58:16,924 And they're going to milk it for everything that they can. 1013 00:58:17,494 --> 00:58:19,413 But at a price. 1014 00:58:19,746 --> 00:58:21,581 Do you have any time to write songs now 1015 00:58:21,665 --> 00:58:23,465 with all the traveling you're doing? 1016 00:58:23,959 --> 00:58:26,294 We've come to... Right now, we're starting... 1017 00:58:26,545 --> 00:58:28,963 This next month, we're going to work on new stuff. 1018 00:58:29,047 --> 00:58:30,597 What are you gonna write about? 1019 00:58:31,133 --> 00:58:34,803 Well, I can't really say what we're gonna write about, I don't know. 1020 00:58:35,971 --> 00:58:39,933 Vacation, as a record, we were so rushed, 1021 00:58:40,142 --> 00:58:43,270 that the songwriting reflects that. 1022 00:58:43,895 --> 00:58:46,481 But I felt like, "Oh, my God, I wrote a hit song" 1023 00:58:46,648 --> 00:58:49,109 and now what do I do," you know? It's like... 1024 00:58:49,693 --> 00:58:51,570 It messes with your head. 1025 00:58:51,778 --> 00:58:55,157 And, you know, you always hear about the sophomore jinx. 1026 00:58:58,535 --> 00:59:01,872 I was freaking out, because we were scrambling for material, 1027 00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:03,957 and then luckily, we got "Vacation". 1028 00:59:04,124 --> 00:59:06,174 Kathy wrote "Vacation" and was playing it 1029 00:59:06,293 --> 00:59:09,629 in her previous band to The Go-Go's, The Textones. 1030 00:59:12,466 --> 00:59:17,012 I've thought a lot of things about you 1031 00:59:17,429 --> 00:59:21,641 I've stayed awake just thinking 'bout you 1032 00:59:21,808 --> 00:59:24,644 I showed it to Charlotte, she said, "I really like this song, 1033 00:59:24,728 --> 00:59:27,355 I think, you know, it needs more of a chorus." 1034 00:59:27,564 --> 00:59:31,526 Tomorrow's a day of mine that you won't be in 1035 00:59:31,735 --> 00:59:33,320 I really felt like... 1036 00:59:33,695 --> 00:59:35,739 the original version kind of went down, 1037 00:59:35,906 --> 00:59:37,806 and this, it just should have gone up. 1038 00:59:38,283 --> 00:59:40,702 Vacation, all I ever wanted 1039 00:59:40,869 --> 00:59:43,580 A vacation, had to get away 1040 00:59:43,789 --> 00:59:46,333 If we hadn't had that song on the record, 1041 00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:48,876 it would have been a very different outcome for us. 1042 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,295 That probably would've ended everything right there, 1043 00:59:51,379 --> 00:59:53,131 'cause that song was really cool. 1044 00:59:53,298 --> 00:59:54,966 Had to get away 1045 00:59:55,133 --> 00:59:58,220 Vacation, meant to be spent alone 1046 00:59:58,553 --> 01:00:01,431 Who knew that the girls were such able water skiers? 1047 01:00:02,432 --> 01:00:04,017 At the video shoot, 1048 01:00:04,601 --> 01:00:08,230 they started wandering off wearing their little water ski tutus 1049 01:00:08,396 --> 01:00:10,774 and started walking up La Brea Avenue. 1050 01:00:11,024 --> 01:00:13,777 I followed them and started snapping away. 1051 01:00:14,694 --> 01:00:16,863 They just looked like four ballerinas 1052 01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:19,908 between takes on a movie set or something. 1053 01:00:23,453 --> 01:00:27,707 "Vacation" soon hit the radio waves and did really, really well... 1054 01:00:28,208 --> 01:00:29,960 and got lots of play. 1055 01:00:30,168 --> 01:00:33,380 But it stalled in the charts. 1056 01:00:33,713 --> 01:00:35,382 Are you still getting along? 1057 01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:39,469 Yeah, we're getting along really good... 1058 01:00:39,636 --> 01:00:41,679 - Surprisingly, yeah - ...as a matter of fact. 1059 01:00:41,763 --> 01:00:44,932 But this is the beginning of tour, we'll see how it is the last week. 1060 01:00:45,016 --> 01:00:48,316 No, we'll get along, we always have got along pretty good, I'd say. 1061 01:00:49,688 --> 01:00:51,148 Show time! 1062 01:00:51,940 --> 01:00:55,152 It's everything but party time 1063 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:59,197 It's everything but party time... 1064 01:00:59,739 --> 01:01:01,908 I mean, this was like a fucking treadmill. 1065 01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:05,704 They were pushing us constantly. We were on tour constantly. 1066 01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:10,000 You would be absolutely exhausted 1067 01:01:10,167 --> 01:01:13,712 and arrive from some long transatlantic flight, 1068 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,799 and the promoter for an upcoming show was reaching out to you 1069 01:01:17,966 --> 01:01:19,092 in panic saying, 1070 01:01:19,259 --> 01:01:21,636 "We need the girls to do this, this, this and this." 1071 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,221 This has been an incredible year. 1072 01:01:23,305 --> 01:01:25,557 The success, how's it affected your life 1073 01:01:25,724 --> 01:01:27,274 at this stage of the ball game? 1074 01:01:27,392 --> 01:01:29,978 We're aware of how well we're doing but we don't... 1075 01:01:30,437 --> 01:01:32,487 - feel it, yeah, not yet. - Feel it, yeah. 1076 01:01:32,606 --> 01:01:34,941 Just too much overload on the brain right now. 1077 01:01:37,068 --> 01:01:40,572 My life has been planned out for me for the next two years. 1078 01:01:40,780 --> 01:01:44,284 I can tell you my schedule until September of next year practically. 1079 01:01:47,913 --> 01:01:51,124 When you go from nowhere to number one, things change. 1080 01:01:51,791 --> 01:01:53,168 It's inevitable. 1081 01:01:54,753 --> 01:01:57,303 The old joke is, you know, when you're a new manager 1082 01:01:57,422 --> 01:01:58,923 and you knew what you were doing, 1083 01:01:59,007 --> 01:02:01,760 you're signing a new band, you know, you're God. 1084 01:02:02,135 --> 01:02:04,512 The day they're number one, you're the janitor. 1085 01:02:04,721 --> 01:02:07,224 Can't seem to get my mind off of you 1086 01:02:07,432 --> 01:02:09,632 What's the worst thing about being a manager? 1087 01:02:12,687 --> 01:02:14,481 When they don't want you anymore. 1088 01:02:17,067 --> 01:02:21,655 I think the band just got too big for her to handle. 1089 01:02:22,822 --> 01:02:24,866 We wanted to make the most 1090 01:02:25,033 --> 01:02:27,494 of the time that we had in the spotlight. 1091 01:02:27,702 --> 01:02:30,538 We wanted to make money and continue to be successful, 1092 01:02:30,747 --> 01:02:32,197 and we felt like we needed... 1093 01:02:34,251 --> 01:02:37,212 a more experienced person at the helm. 1094 01:02:37,712 --> 01:02:41,925 It was surprising how quickly people came out of the woodwork, 1095 01:02:42,133 --> 01:02:45,178 other managers saying how they could do so much better 1096 01:02:45,345 --> 01:02:48,306 if they had a big management team behind them. 1097 01:02:50,267 --> 01:02:52,978 I'm pretty sure that she knew we wanted her to work 1098 01:02:53,144 --> 01:02:57,774 with a bigger manager that had a firm instead of, like, one person. 1099 01:02:57,983 --> 01:03:00,151 I'm getting kind of choked up, my throat. 1100 01:03:00,610 --> 01:03:04,781 It's like... No, no, it's just that it's emotional for me, 1101 01:03:04,948 --> 01:03:07,617 because going back to that time, it was difficult, 1102 01:03:08,118 --> 01:03:10,328 remembering it, and how I felt. 1103 01:03:12,622 --> 01:03:16,126 It was very painful. My band was taken away from me. 1104 01:03:16,376 --> 01:03:19,379 I remember sitting in on meetings and feeling... 1105 01:03:19,754 --> 01:03:23,383 incredibly little as the girls sat on the edge of their seat 1106 01:03:23,675 --> 01:03:27,304 looking enthralled by these new managers, all men, 1107 01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:30,307 not that that mattered, but just like a new power base, 1108 01:03:30,473 --> 01:03:32,225 like this was going to be great, 1109 01:03:32,392 --> 01:03:35,353 that this was going to be, like, change everything. 1110 01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,231 It was horrible having them say with the band there, 1111 01:03:38,398 --> 01:03:41,526 "Well, Ginger, we know you know how to take a band from A to B, 1112 01:03:41,693 --> 01:03:45,488 and you do a great job. We can take that band from B to Z." 1113 01:03:45,655 --> 01:03:50,535 We felt like it was going to help us go to another level. 1114 01:03:50,827 --> 01:03:52,370 People that set all of it in motion, 1115 01:03:52,454 --> 01:03:54,288 they knew that my days would be numbered, 1116 01:03:54,372 --> 01:03:56,124 that anyone with any integrity, 1117 01:03:56,291 --> 01:03:59,544 you're not going to stick around. Why would you? 1118 01:03:59,711 --> 01:04:02,672 I guess we hurt her. Must have hurt her pretty badly, 1119 01:04:03,882 --> 01:04:06,468 because she just... One day, she was gone. 1120 01:04:06,885 --> 01:04:09,721 It was no "fuck you" or nothing, it was just gone. 1121 01:04:10,055 --> 01:04:11,514 How angry were you? 1122 01:04:12,682 --> 01:04:14,517 Angry enough to move to New York? 1123 01:04:17,145 --> 01:04:18,855 She was like the sixth Go-Go. 1124 01:04:19,898 --> 01:04:24,986 When she left, it really turned into a big business. 1125 01:04:25,195 --> 01:04:26,904 It wasn't even that much fun anymore. 1126 01:04:26,988 --> 01:04:31,159 We just... That's all we knew how to do, was be a Go-Go. 1127 01:04:33,411 --> 01:04:35,747 Gina was in our new manager's office, 1128 01:04:35,914 --> 01:04:38,165 supposedly a more professional management company 1129 01:04:38,249 --> 01:04:41,199 who turned out to suck, we should've just stuck with Ginger. 1130 01:04:42,045 --> 01:04:45,799 But, I guess Gina saw a check that Charlotte got 1131 01:04:45,965 --> 01:04:48,301 and it was for, like, a gazillion dollars. 1132 01:04:48,468 --> 01:04:51,262 And of course, Gina wasn't getting a check like that. 1133 01:04:51,429 --> 01:04:53,056 I almost fell over. 1134 01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:57,560 He said, "See how much she makes? That's 'cause she's a songwriter." 1135 01:04:59,562 --> 01:05:01,605 There are two ways you make money out of a record. 1136 01:05:01,689 --> 01:05:04,039 You make it in the recording and the publishing. 1137 01:05:04,651 --> 01:05:06,193 The person who writes the songs, 1138 01:05:06,277 --> 01:05:08,363 which is really the vehicle that you need 1139 01:05:10,407 --> 01:05:13,701 is going to make more money. And that can cause problems. 1140 01:05:13,952 --> 01:05:15,536 You write a lot of the songs, right? 1141 01:05:15,620 --> 01:05:16,871 - Yeah. - With Charlotte? 1142 01:05:17,038 --> 01:05:21,209 Charlotte writing "We Got the Beat" all by herself, that song was huge. 1143 01:05:21,418 --> 01:05:24,045 It's like everyone wanted it for commercials and movies 1144 01:05:24,129 --> 01:05:27,424 and TV shows, and I mean, that's like cha-ching, cha-ching. 1145 01:05:27,590 --> 01:05:30,635 Songwriting was so important to me, it was my identity. 1146 01:05:30,802 --> 01:05:33,680 That's why I held so close, so dear to me and I didn't... 1147 01:05:33,847 --> 01:05:36,391 You know, you can't take any part of this. 1148 01:05:36,558 --> 01:05:39,602 This is mine, you know, this is who I am. 1149 01:05:39,811 --> 01:05:42,313 I will still stand behind the belief that songwriting 1150 01:05:42,397 --> 01:05:45,097 is a really specific skill that many people don't have, 1151 01:05:45,191 --> 01:05:48,391 and it's a lot of extra hard work that other people aren't doing. 1152 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:55,076 I'd made more money than I'd ever imagined in my lifetime. 1153 01:05:55,660 --> 01:05:59,330 But I knew there was going to be an issue in the discrepancy 1154 01:05:59,497 --> 01:06:02,250 between the highest earner, who was Charlotte, 1155 01:06:02,417 --> 01:06:05,086 and the lowest earner, who was Gina... 1156 01:06:05,837 --> 01:06:08,130 and Belinda. I knew there was gonna be a problem. 1157 01:06:08,214 --> 01:06:10,714 Most people think that we're really rich right now, 1158 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:15,972 but... I don't... I know that we're not rich right now! 1159 01:06:16,598 --> 01:06:18,892 I was too busy having a lot of fun, 1160 01:06:19,058 --> 01:06:22,312 and I just let the others write the songs. 1161 01:06:22,770 --> 01:06:26,566 Gina would say to me, "This is not fair," and, you know... 1162 01:06:27,484 --> 01:06:30,236 And I would say, "I know it's not fair, but..." 1163 01:06:30,945 --> 01:06:34,240 I felt like, inside, I really had no right to say anything, 1164 01:06:34,407 --> 01:06:36,451 because I was such a fuck-up. 1165 01:06:39,329 --> 01:06:41,998 What scared me was an unhappy lead singer, 1166 01:06:42,165 --> 01:06:45,001 who pretty much made the band into contenders, 1167 01:06:45,210 --> 01:06:47,795 feeling cheated and unappreciated. 1168 01:06:49,672 --> 01:06:54,344 It set up a vibe where I started feeling very concerned 1169 01:06:54,511 --> 01:06:55,762 about our future. 1170 01:06:57,847 --> 01:07:00,183 And it's like, are you fucking kidding me? 1171 01:07:00,350 --> 01:07:03,645 Now, we're already having this be a problem? 1172 01:07:04,771 --> 01:07:08,775 The fighting and the real drugs happen when we all get money, 1173 01:07:09,609 --> 01:07:10,610 you know? 1174 01:07:11,277 --> 01:07:13,196 It wrecks everything. 1175 01:07:15,114 --> 01:07:19,953 Walking around it's clear that I'm worlds away 1176 01:07:20,161 --> 01:07:22,830 Charlotte was isolating quite a bit. 1177 01:07:23,248 --> 01:07:24,874 I spend a lot of time here. 1178 01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:29,462 I don't go out that often, because I like it here a lot in my house. 1179 01:07:30,547 --> 01:07:33,633 I bought a house up in the hills and I was by myself. 1180 01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,385 It was a bad situation. 1181 01:07:36,261 --> 01:07:38,137 I was suffering, 1182 01:07:38,721 --> 01:07:41,266 and I didn't know who to talk to or what to do. 1183 01:07:42,267 --> 01:07:44,060 No, we're just like sisters 1184 01:07:44,269 --> 01:07:47,272 and we're all looking out for, you know, 1185 01:07:47,647 --> 01:07:51,818 each other all the time, and we all love each other very much. 1186 01:07:53,361 --> 01:07:56,489 We didn't communicate, and then when we did communicate 1187 01:07:56,656 --> 01:07:59,993 we didn't do it in a loving, sort of respectful way. 1188 01:08:00,493 --> 01:08:03,913 By 1984, things were getting pretty frazzled with us. 1189 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,417 We'd still really never had been given enough time 1190 01:08:07,584 --> 01:08:11,170 to write or recuperate or anything. So, it was very tense. 1191 01:08:11,879 --> 01:08:15,425 Being in a band, you become each other's best friends 1192 01:08:15,592 --> 01:08:17,594 and also each other's worst enemies. 1193 01:08:18,678 --> 01:08:23,182 It became a difficult place to be, because I always wanted 1194 01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:24,809 to put out fires. 1195 01:08:25,643 --> 01:08:29,230 Somebody's not happy, you know, fix this, fix, fix, fix, 1196 01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,399 you know, and have fun. 1197 01:08:32,233 --> 01:08:34,902 No matter how miserable everyone is, have fun. 1198 01:08:42,577 --> 01:08:46,748 This is when we first got to England, making the third record. 1199 01:08:47,165 --> 01:08:49,667 And this was the clown family. 1200 01:08:50,126 --> 01:08:52,629 We had something called the clown family 1201 01:08:52,837 --> 01:08:55,757 where everybody posed the same way and put on a clown nose. 1202 01:08:57,008 --> 01:08:59,969 This is the clown family watching TV. 1203 01:09:03,806 --> 01:09:06,768 And here's the clown family doing some blow. 1204 01:09:07,810 --> 01:09:09,479 Upon arrival in London. 1205 01:09:15,985 --> 01:09:19,781 The ultimate is the clown family giving birth to another clown. 1206 01:09:20,198 --> 01:09:23,034 Except Jane was the other clown! 1207 01:09:23,201 --> 01:09:25,703 Every single person birthed Jane. 1208 01:09:27,330 --> 01:09:30,458 Like an old movie backdrop 1209 01:09:32,001 --> 01:09:34,879 The radio's blasting 1210 01:09:35,463 --> 01:09:37,507 We still managed to have a lot of fun, 1211 01:09:37,924 --> 01:09:40,718 despite what might have been going on. 1212 01:09:41,135 --> 01:09:45,473 She says "I just wanted to make you" 1213 01:09:46,140 --> 01:09:49,936 "I never meant to break you" 1214 01:09:50,144 --> 01:09:53,773 He says "Have some mercy on me" 1215 01:09:56,359 --> 01:10:01,781 "Do you have to be such a mercenary?" 1216 01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:09,706 I went into the studio when they were recording the third album. 1217 01:10:09,997 --> 01:10:12,833 There was a famous scene of one of the members vomiting on me, 1218 01:10:12,917 --> 01:10:16,003 you know, she'd had too much to drink. I won't mention who, 1219 01:10:16,295 --> 01:10:19,424 but I was covered in vomit in the studio. 1220 01:10:19,841 --> 01:10:21,467 So, I knew stuff was going on. 1221 01:10:21,676 --> 01:10:23,428 Good evening, I'm Charlotte. 1222 01:10:23,761 --> 01:10:26,431 - Good evening, I'm Gina. - Good evening, I'm Jane. 1223 01:10:26,639 --> 01:10:28,599 - I'm Kathy. - Good evening, I'm Belinda, 1224 01:10:28,683 --> 01:10:31,352 - I'm The Go-Go's. - No, I'm The Go-Go's. 1225 01:10:31,561 --> 01:10:34,063 - I'm The Go-Go's. - No, we're all The Go-Go's. 1226 01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:35,314 Well, anyway... 1227 01:10:35,606 --> 01:10:39,110 We'd started writing songs for the third record, 1228 01:10:39,318 --> 01:10:42,572 but Charlotte hit a bit of a writing block. 1229 01:10:43,656 --> 01:10:47,285 It got harder to write, actually. It prevented me. 1230 01:10:47,493 --> 01:10:50,538 I was really writing a lot, because Charlotte was... 1231 01:10:51,122 --> 01:10:53,040 in a lot of trouble with the drugs. 1232 01:10:53,249 --> 01:10:56,919 When it goes dark, forget the night 1233 01:10:58,588 --> 01:11:01,841 There are people that really loved that album, 1234 01:11:02,049 --> 01:11:04,635 but I can't even listen to it because to me, 1235 01:11:05,219 --> 01:11:08,681 I was so miserable during that time, oh, my God. 1236 01:11:09,307 --> 01:11:11,601 When it goes dark 1237 01:11:12,810 --> 01:11:14,479 Get me to bed 1238 01:11:14,645 --> 01:11:16,189 On that trip, 1239 01:11:16,606 --> 01:11:18,983 there was an implosion. Jane got really upset. 1240 01:11:19,150 --> 01:11:21,194 Wait for the light of day 1241 01:11:21,944 --> 01:11:24,238 I think she felt frustrated, probably, with me 1242 01:11:24,489 --> 01:11:26,439 and with wanting to have a bigger role. 1243 01:11:26,616 --> 01:11:29,660 I'm the only one you run to The one you come to 1244 01:11:29,911 --> 01:11:31,871 The only one you can get to 1245 01:11:32,079 --> 01:11:34,499 I'm the only one for you 1246 01:11:34,707 --> 01:11:37,335 - I'm the only one - Only one for you 1247 01:11:37,543 --> 01:11:40,171 - I'm the only one - Only one for you 1248 01:11:40,379 --> 01:11:42,882 - I'm the only one - Only one for you 1249 01:11:43,090 --> 01:11:45,051 I'm the only one 1250 01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:48,179 When we were recording the album, I had decided 1251 01:11:48,387 --> 01:11:50,305 that I wanted to sing one song on the record, 1252 01:11:50,389 --> 01:11:52,057 and there was one song that I'd written 1253 01:11:52,141 --> 01:11:54,810 that was super personal to me called "Forget That Day". 1254 01:11:54,894 --> 01:11:57,104 Then, I went to each girl and was like, 1255 01:11:57,313 --> 01:11:59,106 "Please, can I sing this one song?" 1256 01:11:59,315 --> 01:12:01,484 I remember that day 1257 01:12:02,819 --> 01:12:05,154 Wind pushing birds around 1258 01:12:05,571 --> 01:12:06,989 And she came to us... 1259 01:12:08,366 --> 01:12:09,992 and we just said, "No." 1260 01:12:10,243 --> 01:12:13,454 Belinda was the lead singer, it just felt weird. 1261 01:12:13,663 --> 01:12:16,707 We decided that that wasn't the way to go, 1262 01:12:16,874 --> 01:12:19,585 that we wanted to keep everybody had their role within the band, 1263 01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:21,420 and that was the way it was going to be. 1264 01:12:21,504 --> 01:12:24,304 I don't really like to talk about that, because it wasn't 1265 01:12:24,465 --> 01:12:27,760 like a unanimous thing in this band. 1266 01:12:28,344 --> 01:12:29,387 One of them said, 1267 01:12:29,554 --> 01:12:32,181 "What makes you think you're good enough to sing a song?" 1268 01:12:32,265 --> 01:12:34,934 Which is something I'll never forget hearing. 1269 01:12:35,643 --> 01:12:37,186 It was a huge betrayal, 1270 01:12:37,353 --> 01:12:39,730 and I did not know how to get past it. 1271 01:12:39,939 --> 01:12:41,357 I lost my heart 1272 01:12:41,566 --> 01:12:44,652 But I just said I hate heights 1273 01:12:44,861 --> 01:12:47,363 It never occurred to any of us... 1274 01:12:47,989 --> 01:12:51,117 that we have to sit down, and how can we make this work? 1275 01:12:52,326 --> 01:12:55,037 But, no, nothing could change, nobody could grow. 1276 01:12:55,204 --> 01:12:56,622 And I was part of it, too. 1277 01:12:56,789 --> 01:12:59,166 I left to get some work done 1278 01:12:59,375 --> 01:13:04,463 We made Belinda feel guilty for being a star and a diva. 1279 01:13:07,884 --> 01:13:11,971 We made Jane feel like what she wanted and needed 1280 01:13:12,430 --> 01:13:15,580 was not important enough for us to even sit down and talk about. 1281 01:13:16,851 --> 01:13:20,146 We made Gina feel like what she contributed wasn't enough. 1282 01:13:20,313 --> 01:13:22,398 You don't deserve to make as much. 1283 01:13:22,565 --> 01:13:24,942 Why'd you say you love me 1284 01:13:25,276 --> 01:13:28,362 And we couldn't see the pain 1285 01:13:28,654 --> 01:13:31,365 that Charlotte was walking around in. 1286 01:13:31,574 --> 01:13:33,826 Try to forget that day 1287 01:13:41,626 --> 01:13:46,255 I was always an optimist hoping that we would keep things together. 1288 01:13:46,797 --> 01:13:49,550 And I don't know that they recognized then, 1289 01:13:50,301 --> 01:13:53,471 and after the third album, what they really had together. 1290 01:13:55,097 --> 01:13:57,975 Head over heels Where should I go 1291 01:13:58,184 --> 01:14:02,521 "Head Over Heels", we made a video, it got released as a single. 1292 01:14:03,606 --> 01:14:05,399 The tour machine's picking up. 1293 01:14:05,691 --> 01:14:07,610 ...out of sync 1294 01:14:12,114 --> 01:14:14,614 We were getting ready to tour for the third record. 1295 01:14:14,825 --> 01:14:17,077 We were at rehearsal and a call came in, it was like, 1296 01:14:17,161 --> 01:14:19,162 "Gina, your doctor's on the phone." I was like... 1297 01:14:19,246 --> 01:14:21,374 We all sort of stopped, like, what is this? 1298 01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:24,501 Gina had always been like coming off stage, "I can't breathe," 1299 01:14:24,585 --> 01:14:27,337 and we'd be like, "Oh, my God, she's such a drama queen," 1300 01:14:27,421 --> 01:14:31,175 like, no, absolutely like no sympathy whatsoever for her. 1301 01:14:31,384 --> 01:14:32,802 Now what? Because... 1302 01:14:33,469 --> 01:14:37,431 she has been seeing this doctor and that doctor and we're just like, 1303 01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:38,641 "Oh, come on." 1304 01:14:38,849 --> 01:14:40,642 But as it turns out, she couldn't breathe 1305 01:14:40,726 --> 01:14:42,436 because she had a hole in her heart and like, 1306 01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,272 she wasn't getting enough oxygen. Yeah, so our bad. 1307 01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,608 Gina was diagnosed with a hole in her heart. 1308 01:14:47,817 --> 01:14:50,736 - She was going to have surgery. - Heart surgery, what the fuck? 1309 01:14:50,820 --> 01:14:54,615 It was a little scary, but we dealt with it with a lot of, like, humor. 1310 01:14:54,824 --> 01:14:59,870 Our humor was, you know, always gallows-dark. 1311 01:15:00,121 --> 01:15:03,457 So, we decided to have this final lost weekend 1312 01:15:03,624 --> 01:15:06,419 in Palm Springs together just in case Gina croaked. 1313 01:15:06,627 --> 01:15:08,796 They were taking me out on my last hurrah. 1314 01:15:11,966 --> 01:15:15,553 We rented, I think, a convertible Jag and a convertible Cadillac. 1315 01:15:16,220 --> 01:15:18,770 Let's buy a bunch of drugs and go out to the desert. 1316 01:15:20,307 --> 01:15:22,309 We had just like a shit ton of drugs, 1317 01:15:22,685 --> 01:15:26,147 and we're driving into Palm Springs going 100 miles an hour. 1318 01:15:30,234 --> 01:15:35,156 It was a total weekend of debauchery and drugs and drinking. 1319 01:15:36,782 --> 01:15:38,325 Sex 1320 01:15:39,618 --> 01:15:41,078 Fun 1321 01:15:42,371 --> 01:15:45,624 And we had a special rule that Gina was not allowed to do cocaine, 1322 01:15:45,833 --> 01:15:48,377 she can only do booze, Valium and mushrooms, 1323 01:15:48,586 --> 01:15:50,379 so you know, we were keeping her safe! 1324 01:15:50,463 --> 01:15:52,963 Because they didn't want me to have a heart attack. 1325 01:16:06,145 --> 01:16:08,814 It did bring the band together temporarily. 1326 01:16:09,940 --> 01:16:14,320 It's funny how you can feel so isolated from people in the band, 1327 01:16:14,487 --> 01:16:18,032 and then in a minute, in a second, you're family again. 1328 01:16:19,492 --> 01:16:22,161 We were really at odds, and when I had that surgery 1329 01:16:22,328 --> 01:16:25,289 everybody sort of came together for a while there. 1330 01:16:26,248 --> 01:16:27,708 We've gotten a lot of calls and letters 1331 01:16:27,792 --> 01:16:29,418 and your fans are real concerned. 1332 01:16:29,502 --> 01:16:31,753 If you could just give us an update on your health? 1333 01:16:31,837 --> 01:16:33,589 I'm fine. My heart is better. 1334 01:16:33,798 --> 01:16:36,133 My doctor told me I can do anything I like. 1335 01:16:36,300 --> 01:16:39,220 I can't wait to get out on tour because I'm bored to death. 1336 01:16:41,305 --> 01:16:43,255 Well, I do want to talk about the tour. 1337 01:16:43,390 --> 01:16:45,840 What kind of tour sponsorship are you considering? 1338 01:16:46,143 --> 01:16:48,437 Before the album was released, that's kind of 1339 01:16:48,604 --> 01:16:51,232 when the publishing thing really came to a head. 1340 01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:54,777 We were called to a meeting at the crappy management's office, 1341 01:16:54,944 --> 01:17:00,157 and it was stated all the publishing needs to be split equally. 1342 01:17:01,283 --> 01:17:02,951 "And then, I said," Well, wait a minute, 1343 01:17:03,035 --> 01:17:04,745 this album is totally done." 1344 01:17:04,954 --> 01:17:08,165 "I totally agree to do that for the next album, 1345 01:17:08,332 --> 01:17:11,585 but I'm not doing it for this album, because I fucking worked my ass off." 1346 01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:14,504 And they're like, "Nope, you gotta do it." I'm like, "I won't do it." 1347 01:17:14,588 --> 01:17:16,298 "You've gotta do it." "I won't do it." 1348 01:17:16,382 --> 01:17:18,216 And then, I just said, "Fuck you, I quit." 1349 01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:19,900 And that's when I quit the band. 1350 01:17:21,595 --> 01:17:24,348 But, of course, I couldn't leave the band yet 1351 01:17:24,515 --> 01:17:27,935 because we had a whole huge tour planned to support the new album. 1352 01:17:28,144 --> 01:17:30,944 She told us that she was... After the tour for Talk Show, 1353 01:17:31,063 --> 01:17:32,213 she was going to leave. 1354 01:17:32,356 --> 01:17:35,776 You guys have been together now for quite a while. 1355 01:17:35,985 --> 01:17:38,279 Do you still all just get along as friends? 1356 01:17:38,487 --> 01:17:39,738 Yeah. 1357 01:17:40,906 --> 01:17:42,908 There would be a lot of questions 1358 01:17:43,075 --> 01:17:45,911 about what our relationship with each other was like. 1359 01:17:46,078 --> 01:17:48,539 "Oh, we love each other. We're like sisters." 1360 01:17:48,706 --> 01:17:51,917 Yeah, like sisters that fucking stab each other in the back. 1361 01:18:03,137 --> 01:18:04,937 It was a little toxic, shall we say. 1362 01:18:06,015 --> 01:18:08,517 But I know what you're doing 1363 01:18:08,726 --> 01:18:11,729 But the machine, Go-Go machine, had to keep going. 1364 01:18:12,354 --> 01:18:14,064 Falling to ruin 1365 01:18:14,273 --> 01:18:16,984 You got your walls so high 1366 01:18:17,651 --> 01:18:19,528 Things were really coming apart. 1367 01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:22,364 There may be some explanation 1368 01:18:22,948 --> 01:18:25,618 This band is everything to me. 1369 01:18:25,784 --> 01:18:31,457 My driving focus was to keep that shit together. 1370 01:18:31,749 --> 01:18:35,085 - I just want to turn to you - Turn to you 1371 01:18:35,252 --> 01:18:38,297 - Come on let me turn to you - Turn to you 1372 01:18:38,631 --> 01:18:42,259 There was a lot of crap going on, and it felt like, 1373 01:18:42,468 --> 01:18:45,346 the dream of The Go-Go's was slipping away, 1374 01:18:45,721 --> 01:18:49,642 and, of course, I more so felt like my life was slipping away. 1375 01:18:51,310 --> 01:18:53,979 It has a lot to do 1376 01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:58,234 There were definitely times when you really had to fake it 1377 01:18:58,400 --> 01:18:59,526 to get through it. 1378 01:19:00,277 --> 01:19:03,113 We had this whole thing that we called robo-Go-Go-ing, 1379 01:19:03,322 --> 01:19:05,783 where you would just get out there on stage 1380 01:19:05,991 --> 01:19:08,744 and no one would fucking know that you had just had 1381 01:19:08,911 --> 01:19:10,311 a screaming fight backstage. 1382 01:19:10,412 --> 01:19:13,624 You would just get out there and be like... robo Go-Go! 1383 01:19:13,832 --> 01:19:15,668 I want to turn to you 1384 01:19:16,460 --> 01:19:19,213 Come on, let me turn to you 1385 01:19:19,463 --> 01:19:21,840 Please let me turn to you 1386 01:19:22,508 --> 01:19:24,843 During the tour, Jane announced that she was leaving, 1387 01:19:24,927 --> 01:19:26,011 which I didn't believe. 1388 01:19:26,095 --> 01:19:29,431 And then, sure enough she did and it was really devastating. 1389 01:19:31,934 --> 01:19:35,145 I felt completely betrayed. I felt like... 1390 01:19:35,980 --> 01:19:39,316 she was breaking up something that was so precious. 1391 01:19:39,525 --> 01:19:42,069 We knew we were in trouble then, because, I mean, 1392 01:19:42,236 --> 01:19:45,948 she's an original member, she's a key songwriter, 1393 01:19:46,156 --> 01:19:47,356 and she's irreplaceable. 1394 01:19:47,449 --> 01:19:49,326 It was like a hatchet had come and just... 1395 01:19:49,410 --> 01:19:51,578 It was never going to be the same after that. 1396 01:19:51,662 --> 01:19:54,873 That was it, really A piece of the puzzle was missing. 1397 01:19:57,501 --> 01:20:01,714 I felt like the rat that had, you know, left the sinking ship. 1398 01:20:03,340 --> 01:20:06,427 The Go-Go's as a unit worked. 1399 01:20:07,219 --> 01:20:10,556 And you take out a piece, is the picture complete? 1400 01:20:11,974 --> 01:20:12,975 Maybe not. 1401 01:20:15,227 --> 01:20:18,522 I just thought this could be the end of everything. 1402 01:20:18,981 --> 01:20:22,609 All I was, I was a Go-Go, that was all. 1403 01:20:23,068 --> 01:20:26,238 That meant, I could take care of my mom. 1404 01:20:27,031 --> 01:20:29,408 By this time, I'm supporting my mom. 1405 01:20:29,908 --> 01:20:33,412 It's easier to find a bass player than it is a guitar player. 1406 01:20:33,620 --> 01:20:36,040 I'll play guitar, we'll get a bass player. 1407 01:20:36,206 --> 01:20:38,456 Hundreds of girls wanted to be in The Go-Go's. 1408 01:20:38,834 --> 01:20:39,877 Big surprise. 1409 01:20:42,296 --> 01:20:44,048 I really wanted Paula Jean, 1410 01:20:44,214 --> 01:20:46,466 and the other girls weren't really agreeing with me, 1411 01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:48,594 but for some reason they acquiesced, 1412 01:20:48,802 --> 01:20:50,888 and Paula Jean became our bass player. 1413 01:20:52,765 --> 01:20:54,641 I felt like Dorothy walking into Oz, 1414 01:20:54,850 --> 01:20:57,644 because they were all so much shorter than me. 1415 01:20:57,895 --> 01:20:59,313 I knew before I auditioned 1416 01:20:59,480 --> 01:21:02,399 that the band was having problems, because Jane quit the band, 1417 01:21:02,483 --> 01:21:05,569 and I had read enough and followed them enough to know 1418 01:21:05,819 --> 01:21:09,323 that things weren't going great interpersonally. 1419 01:21:10,449 --> 01:21:12,951 So, we started rehearsing with Paula Jean, 1420 01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,079 getting ready to go to Rio. 1421 01:21:15,287 --> 01:21:17,623 We're playing the biggest show of our life. 1422 01:21:18,332 --> 01:21:20,459 It's the Rock in Rio festival. 1423 01:21:21,210 --> 01:21:22,336 Belinda! 1424 01:21:22,544 --> 01:21:25,589 Are you... What are your expectations towards the festival? 1425 01:21:25,839 --> 01:21:27,299 It should be a lot of fun. 1426 01:21:28,759 --> 01:21:32,012 I could tell that the joy of them playing together 1427 01:21:32,179 --> 01:21:34,223 was not what it probably once was. 1428 01:21:34,681 --> 01:21:39,186 It felt to me like they were all... trying to muster it 1429 01:21:39,645 --> 01:21:41,397 for the occasion. 1430 01:21:42,356 --> 01:21:45,317 In Rio, this is the height of everybody's drug intake. 1431 01:21:45,526 --> 01:21:48,487 People driving around in cabs searching for coke all night. 1432 01:21:49,071 --> 01:21:51,115 I didn't sleep for, like, a week. 1433 01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:58,205 I'm supposed to go to sound check, and I went out to cop some dope. 1434 01:21:58,497 --> 01:22:00,833 I was late, and I had to make up a big lie, 1435 01:22:00,999 --> 01:22:05,087 and that's another thing with drugs, like, you become a big liar. 1436 01:22:06,255 --> 01:22:08,799 Charlotte was so out of control 1437 01:22:08,966 --> 01:22:10,842 that Ozzy Osbourne threw her out of his dressing room. 1438 01:22:10,926 --> 01:22:12,426 Now that's pretty fucking bad. 1439 01:22:12,511 --> 01:22:15,472 Head over heels Where should I go 1440 01:22:15,681 --> 01:22:18,267 Can't stop myself Out of control 1441 01:22:18,475 --> 01:22:21,353 Head over heels No time to think 1442 01:22:21,562 --> 01:22:24,440 Looks like the whole world's out of sync 1443 01:22:26,567 --> 01:22:28,235 The Go-Go's were a family, 1444 01:22:28,569 --> 01:22:30,696 and, you know, I think that Gina and Kathy 1445 01:22:30,863 --> 01:22:33,240 kind of had become the caretakers in a way, 1446 01:22:33,657 --> 01:22:35,659 trying to hold it together. 1447 01:22:39,872 --> 01:22:43,375 Charlotte was there, but you could tell just not there. 1448 01:22:45,752 --> 01:22:49,089 It was just getting to be where it was unsustainable. 1449 01:22:53,802 --> 01:22:58,849 Paula goes, "You guys, Charlotte's really in trouble." 1450 01:23:00,642 --> 01:23:03,395 What? New girl says what? 1451 01:23:04,021 --> 01:23:06,621 I said, "I just really feel like she's going to die." 1452 01:23:08,692 --> 01:23:10,610 Paula came to me one day and said, you know, 1453 01:23:10,694 --> 01:23:13,989 "Charlotte, I know a place where you can go to get some help." 1454 01:23:14,156 --> 01:23:16,156 And I said, "What are you talking about?" 1455 01:23:16,450 --> 01:23:21,079 She told me about, you know, a recovery hospital, 1456 01:23:21,371 --> 01:23:23,832 you know, for addicts. 1457 01:23:24,791 --> 01:23:26,919 And then, something shifted in me. 1458 01:23:28,212 --> 01:23:29,922 I went back to Los Angeles 1459 01:23:30,088 --> 01:23:33,258 and I checked myself into rehab with Paula's help. 1460 01:23:33,759 --> 01:23:37,179 I'm not saying it was easy, but I was dedicated. 1461 01:23:37,638 --> 01:23:41,433 And I'm forever grateful to her for giving me that information, 1462 01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:45,062 because it totally changed my life and saved me. 1463 01:23:49,399 --> 01:23:53,487 When I got sober, it was so amazing to be free 1464 01:23:53,654 --> 01:23:56,865 of that prison that I was living in. 1465 01:23:57,741 --> 01:24:01,745 As dedicated as I was to that... To my band, 1466 01:24:01,912 --> 01:24:03,956 I was dedicated to myself. 1467 01:24:05,207 --> 01:24:07,857 When we started rehearsing again for the fourth album, 1468 01:24:08,001 --> 01:24:11,421 I made the decision to choose myself over the band. 1469 01:24:11,630 --> 01:24:13,980 It just wasn't working, it wasn't going to work. 1470 01:24:14,174 --> 01:24:17,094 Paula was great, but she wasn't Jane. 1471 01:24:17,678 --> 01:24:20,180 The only decent song that came out of it was "Mad About You." 1472 01:24:20,264 --> 01:24:22,140 They really liked "Mad About You." 1473 01:24:22,474 --> 01:24:25,602 It's a song that Paula wrote for our band. 1474 01:24:25,894 --> 01:24:29,398 The relationships were just disintegrating in the band. 1475 01:24:29,773 --> 01:24:33,610 Charlotte and I discussed ending the band. 1476 01:24:36,530 --> 01:24:38,365 Gina and I are feeling more and more 1477 01:24:38,532 --> 01:24:41,410 like Charlotte and Belinda are on one side, 1478 01:24:41,577 --> 01:24:43,477 and me and Gina are on the other side. 1479 01:24:46,623 --> 01:24:50,502 Her and Belinda called Kathy and myself into management's office. 1480 01:24:51,587 --> 01:24:54,298 - I was like, "This is not good." - It's not good. 1481 01:24:54,590 --> 01:24:57,634 Even now, I can't. Remembering this makes me feel ill. 1482 01:24:58,427 --> 01:25:01,527 "We've decided to break up the band," that was the first thing. 1483 01:25:02,055 --> 01:25:03,974 And Gina and I said, "You can't." 1484 01:25:04,141 --> 01:25:06,101 "You can't do that, it's our band too." 1485 01:25:06,727 --> 01:25:07,978 "Yes, we can." 1486 01:25:10,022 --> 01:25:15,777 Somebody said, "She writes the hits and I am the voice." 1487 01:25:16,445 --> 01:25:18,395 "She's the voice, and I write the hits." 1488 01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,660 And Kathy and I were fucking flabbergasted. 1489 01:25:23,869 --> 01:25:28,165 They completely freaked out. Completely freaked out. 1490 01:25:28,498 --> 01:25:30,498 There was a lot of crying and screaming. 1491 01:25:30,626 --> 01:25:32,002 I definitely raged, 1492 01:25:32,210 --> 01:25:38,175 and then I dialed back the rage and groveled and apologizing. 1493 01:25:38,759 --> 01:25:42,804 I wanted to kill both of them. I really did. 1494 01:25:44,056 --> 01:25:45,456 After all we'd been through, 1495 01:25:45,557 --> 01:25:47,726 how could you fucking dare say that to me? 1496 01:25:49,436 --> 01:25:51,396 I won't survive this if I stay here, 1497 01:25:51,647 --> 01:25:54,524 and I cannot risk using and drinking again, 1498 01:25:54,733 --> 01:25:55,817 I cannot risk that. 1499 01:25:55,984 --> 01:25:57,778 What was horrible was like 1500 01:25:57,944 --> 01:26:01,198 going home from that meeting just shattered. 1501 01:26:01,365 --> 01:26:03,241 And then, the phone rings, 1502 01:26:03,408 --> 01:26:06,912 and it's the guy from the management company 1503 01:26:07,079 --> 01:26:10,916 and my heart just, like, "They've changed their mind!" 1504 01:26:11,458 --> 01:26:13,126 And instead he goes, 1505 01:26:13,335 --> 01:26:15,587 "You're going to get a call from the LA Times 1506 01:26:15,754 --> 01:26:18,004 to make a comment about the band breaking up." 1507 01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:21,551 It's like, "What, are you fucking kidding me?" 1508 01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,221 You know, it's been an hour. 1509 01:26:27,808 --> 01:26:30,727 Within months of me leaving, the band ended up breaking up, 1510 01:26:30,936 --> 01:26:32,836 and I certainly wasn't happy about it, 1511 01:26:32,938 --> 01:26:34,940 but I also wasn't surprised either. 1512 01:26:36,483 --> 01:26:39,403 We didn't speak to each other for five years after that. 1513 01:26:39,986 --> 01:26:45,075 Gina and Kathy, I didn't speak to. Jane was off doing her solo record. 1514 01:26:45,283 --> 01:26:47,869 I felt the need to try something new. 1515 01:26:48,036 --> 01:26:50,997 I was also interested in singing my own material. 1516 01:27:00,132 --> 01:27:02,175 I was used to being a big star, 1517 01:27:02,342 --> 01:27:04,553 and all of a sudden it was like, "She sucks!" 1518 01:27:04,803 --> 01:27:07,931 I hated it so much, and I was just so mad, 1519 01:27:08,140 --> 01:27:11,601 but now honestly, I really feel like 1520 01:27:11,768 --> 01:27:14,563 the person I am today would not exist 1521 01:27:14,730 --> 01:27:16,680 without all the failure I went through, 1522 01:27:16,773 --> 01:27:20,652 and all the success I ever had never taught me one damn thing. 1523 01:27:20,861 --> 01:27:21,903 Never. 1524 01:27:23,530 --> 01:27:26,241 I tried so hard 1525 01:27:26,742 --> 01:27:31,413 to create another band with the chemistry 1526 01:27:31,621 --> 01:27:33,749 and the magic that The Go-Go's had, 1527 01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,085 and nothing I did seemed to work out. 1528 01:27:37,627 --> 01:27:38,962 I tried being a singer. 1529 01:27:39,129 --> 01:27:41,005 I never wanted to be a singer, but I tried it. 1530 01:27:41,089 --> 01:27:43,049 I couldn't be a studio player, because I didn't know 1531 01:27:43,133 --> 01:27:45,134 how to read music and that wasn't my thing. 1532 01:27:45,218 --> 01:27:48,555 And so, I went out and tried to get a solo deal. 1533 01:27:48,764 --> 01:27:52,058 I did one show at the Roxy and got signed by Capitol Records, 1534 01:27:52,267 --> 01:27:53,977 which was great for a while. 1535 01:27:54,770 --> 01:27:56,438 And then after a few years, 1536 01:27:56,605 --> 01:27:58,981 it was almost like The Go-Go's didn't even exist anymore. 1537 01:27:59,065 --> 01:28:00,365 It was only like, Belinda! 1538 01:28:01,902 --> 01:28:03,361 When The Go-Go's split up, 1539 01:28:03,528 --> 01:28:05,363 I guess everybody went their separate ways, 1540 01:28:05,447 --> 01:28:07,949 but you're the only one who really hit it big. 1541 01:28:08,116 --> 01:28:09,826 Why do you think that's the case? 1542 01:28:10,202 --> 01:28:12,302 Well, I think I definitely had a head start 1543 01:28:12,454 --> 01:28:14,498 as being the focus of the band, which, 1544 01:28:14,664 --> 01:28:17,709 you know, people do tend to focus on the lead singer of any band. 1545 01:28:17,793 --> 01:28:21,379 And, you know, that did give me some advantages. 1546 01:28:22,339 --> 01:28:23,799 Belinda offered me a job. 1547 01:28:23,965 --> 01:28:27,093 She said, "Do you wanna tour with me and write on my record?" 1548 01:28:27,260 --> 01:28:29,638 And I was so grateful to her, because I... 1549 01:28:29,805 --> 01:28:31,723 That was still at that place in my life 1550 01:28:31,807 --> 01:28:34,518 where that was my identity, doing that, 1551 01:28:34,726 --> 01:28:38,605 and just beginning to find out that that wasn't... 1552 01:28:38,814 --> 01:28:41,733 that wasn't the totality of who I am. 1553 01:28:42,484 --> 01:28:44,861 So, she gave me that bridge. 1554 01:28:46,154 --> 01:28:49,741 As they went on, Charlotte was working with Belinda. 1555 01:28:49,991 --> 01:28:51,618 Jane is back in the fold. 1556 01:28:51,827 --> 01:28:53,870 Now, all of a sudden, it's like, the three of them 1557 01:28:53,954 --> 01:28:55,539 are doing shit for Belinda. 1558 01:28:55,705 --> 01:28:59,459 I started feeling like it was a vendetta against me and Gina. 1559 01:29:00,293 --> 01:29:01,294 It was... 1560 01:29:02,045 --> 01:29:03,380 It was horrible. 1561 01:29:05,382 --> 01:29:07,551 I just wanted to write and play drums. 1562 01:29:07,717 --> 01:29:09,553 I've written stuff for other people. 1563 01:29:10,136 --> 01:29:12,264 I had a song covered by Miley Cyrus, 1564 01:29:12,430 --> 01:29:14,474 and then four songs by Selena Gomez... 1565 01:29:15,016 --> 01:29:17,811 so I felt like, "Yeah, finally getting what I deserve." 1566 01:29:19,896 --> 01:29:21,564 I've always known I had a book in me. 1567 01:29:21,648 --> 01:29:24,198 When I turned 40, I was dropped by my record company 1568 01:29:24,359 --> 01:29:25,735 as a solo artist, 1569 01:29:25,944 --> 01:29:28,822 and that was actually the beginning of, like, 1570 01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:31,080 soul searching and what is this all about? 1571 01:29:31,324 --> 01:29:33,618 What were The Go-Go's all about? Who am I? 1572 01:29:33,785 --> 01:29:38,039 With sobriety, my world is very vast and bigger than it's ever been. 1573 01:29:38,248 --> 01:29:41,960 I think for me, there are a lot of ego issues, to be honest. 1574 01:29:42,252 --> 01:29:46,423 A lot of slapping down I've needed, 1575 01:29:46,590 --> 01:29:50,010 and a lot of... I needed a lot of humbling. 1576 01:29:50,302 --> 01:29:52,804 It's five people in this band and... 1577 01:29:54,931 --> 01:29:58,268 everybody was set on their own sort of course. 1578 01:29:59,394 --> 01:30:01,187 But then we got back together. 1579 01:30:02,314 --> 01:30:04,065 Because the story never ends! 1580 01:30:04,900 --> 01:30:06,151 The story never ends. 1581 01:30:10,739 --> 01:30:13,366 Thank you for coming out tonight. 1582 01:30:19,706 --> 01:30:22,000 See the people walking down the street 1583 01:30:23,460 --> 01:30:27,088 As angry as I was when they broke up the band, 1584 01:30:27,255 --> 01:30:28,673 I missed them. 1585 01:30:29,215 --> 01:30:33,136 Nobody really knows what that felt like to be in The Go-Go's, 1586 01:30:33,511 --> 01:30:36,640 only four other people know what that feels like. 1587 01:30:37,307 --> 01:30:38,475 And that's the bond. 1588 01:30:38,642 --> 01:30:43,939 Nothing has happened so bad that it overshadows that. 1589 01:30:46,691 --> 01:30:49,443 I don't know how this keeps going, I swear to Christ, I don't. 1590 01:30:49,527 --> 01:30:52,113 The Go-Go's day in Hollywood! 1591 01:30:58,119 --> 01:31:01,122 We are making Go-Go's history with our debut 1592 01:31:01,665 --> 01:31:03,249 as Broadway songwriters. 1593 01:31:04,501 --> 01:31:08,296 You get older and you get wiser, and you drop a lot of the bullshit. 1594 01:31:08,505 --> 01:31:11,091 We are a family, that's just what it is. 1595 01:31:11,508 --> 01:31:12,717 We got the beat 1596 01:31:12,884 --> 01:31:14,886 Everybody get on your feet 1597 01:31:15,053 --> 01:31:17,013 We know you can... 1598 01:31:17,263 --> 01:31:18,640 Can you drum? 1599 01:31:19,224 --> 01:31:20,517 Gina needs coffee. 1600 01:31:20,684 --> 01:31:23,228 - We used to have the beat - We had the beat 1601 01:31:23,728 --> 01:31:26,106 I remember when we had the beat! We got it back. 1602 01:31:26,314 --> 01:31:29,025 Everybody, we got the beat 1603 01:31:29,693 --> 01:31:31,820 We got the, we got the beat 1604 01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:34,948 - That was fantastic. - That was amazing. 1605 01:31:35,532 --> 01:31:38,827 Oh, my God, do we have the motherfucking beat. 1606 01:31:38,994 --> 01:31:40,662 - I love that. - It was great. 1607 01:31:40,829 --> 01:31:42,371 That wasn't bad for not playing together 1608 01:31:42,455 --> 01:31:44,505 - a really long time. - Yeah, next time... 1609 01:31:45,583 --> 01:31:48,533 Hey, it doesn't hurt to rehearse, it only makes you tighter. 1610 01:31:49,462 --> 01:31:52,882 I think that The Go-Go's, if you believe in karma, 1611 01:31:53,091 --> 01:31:56,011 there's a lot of karmic ties in this band. 1612 01:31:56,511 --> 01:31:58,971 Just the fact that we've been in each other's lives 1613 01:31:59,055 --> 01:32:01,474 for so many years, it has to be to work out something. 1614 01:32:01,558 --> 01:32:04,519 Fair's fair, don't care 1615 01:32:04,728 --> 01:32:09,065 They may have control but we're not scared 1616 01:32:10,233 --> 01:32:12,027 Zero fucks given 1617 01:32:12,235 --> 01:32:13,319 Oops. 1618 01:32:13,528 --> 01:32:17,032 About a year ago, I went to a psychiatrist 1619 01:32:17,198 --> 01:32:19,909 who diagnosed me as being bipolar. 1620 01:32:20,118 --> 01:32:22,829 Wake up, can't you see 1621 01:32:23,038 --> 01:32:25,248 For the first time in my life I... 1622 01:32:25,457 --> 01:32:27,667 haven't thought of suicide in a year, 1623 01:32:27,834 --> 01:32:30,295 which is like, fucking mind-blowing to me. 1624 01:32:30,462 --> 01:32:32,213 Do you want to decide which key you like better? 1625 01:32:32,297 --> 01:32:33,923 - Yeah, that'd be good. - Okay. 1626 01:32:34,090 --> 01:32:36,926 And luckily, The Go-Go's have finally gotten to the point 1627 01:32:37,135 --> 01:32:39,971 where we actually can be civil to each other and get along. 1628 01:32:40,055 --> 01:32:42,474 I can see the good in everyone in the band. 1629 01:32:45,602 --> 01:32:50,315 There's a place for us, don't look for a sign 1630 01:32:50,523 --> 01:32:52,484 Not on a map 1631 01:32:52,734 --> 01:32:54,903 It's a state of mind 1632 01:32:56,488 --> 01:32:58,406 This is club zero 1633 01:32:58,907 --> 01:33:00,575 Okay, so, verse or chorus? 1634 01:33:00,784 --> 01:33:03,369 We talked about things we wanted to write about, 1635 01:33:03,578 --> 01:33:06,456 and we did, kind of make a conscious decision 1636 01:33:06,623 --> 01:33:09,542 to try to write about, you know, the place of women 1637 01:33:09,751 --> 01:33:11,795 and our future roles. 1638 01:33:11,961 --> 01:33:15,590 It's kind of a testament to our longevity and our bond. 1639 01:33:15,757 --> 01:33:17,633 - Tenacity. - And how we can work together. 1640 01:33:17,717 --> 01:33:20,067 That we've been able to withstand it, I think... 1641 01:33:21,471 --> 01:33:24,265 - It was hard! - We've been able to live through it! 1642 01:33:26,142 --> 01:33:28,603 - What were you saying, Gina? - Wait a minute! 1643 01:33:29,437 --> 01:33:31,481 Okay, are we ready to go loud? 1644 01:33:31,689 --> 01:33:33,065 - Yeah, man. - You wanna go loud? 1645 01:33:33,149 --> 01:33:35,193 One, two, a-one, two... 1646 01:33:41,616 --> 01:33:44,702 There's a place for us, don't look for a sign 1647 01:33:44,911 --> 01:33:46,788 Not on a map 1648 01:33:46,996 --> 01:33:49,332 It's a state of mind 1649 01:33:50,250 --> 01:33:52,335 This is club zero 1650 01:33:54,587 --> 01:33:57,757 The rules they made are battle lines 1651 01:33:57,966 --> 01:34:00,802 The grand design is out of time 1652 01:34:01,010 --> 01:34:05,265 Hey, we've got something to say... 1653 01:34:05,473 --> 01:34:09,310 There was this power that we all felt, 1654 01:34:09,602 --> 01:34:13,148 of us together, doing what were doing. 1655 01:34:13,815 --> 01:34:19,946 We showed up as who we were and just, against all odds, 1656 01:34:20,321 --> 01:34:22,031 busted through some ceilings. 1657 01:34:35,503 --> 01:34:36,962 I don't know what more they have to do 1658 01:34:37,046 --> 01:34:38,714 to get in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. 1659 01:34:38,798 --> 01:34:41,467 What the fuck? They're not? 1660 01:34:42,093 --> 01:34:44,137 Come on! Come on! 1661 01:34:44,929 --> 01:34:46,879 They're in my Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. 1662 01:34:53,605 --> 01:34:56,900 There's a place for us, don't look for a sign 1663 01:34:57,150 --> 01:34:58,902 Not on a map 1664 01:34:59,485 --> 01:35:02,030 It's a state of mind 1665 01:35:02,739 --> 01:35:05,074 This is club zero 1666 01:35:06,784 --> 01:35:09,996 Time's up, it's the clarion call 1667 01:35:10,205 --> 01:35:14,334 'Cause zero hour is upon us all 1668 01:35:14,542 --> 01:35:16,586 Tick-tock, tick-tock 1669 01:35:19,214 --> 01:35:22,467 The rules they made are battle lines 1670 01:35:22,675 --> 01:35:25,762 The grand design is out of time 1671 01:35:25,970 --> 01:35:30,433 Hey, we've got something to say 1672 01:35:30,642 --> 01:35:32,393 Gonna make the world shake 1673 01:35:32,602 --> 01:35:35,063 Ready or not, here we are 1674 01:35:35,271 --> 01:35:38,441 Better get out of our way 1675 01:35:38,650 --> 01:35:41,694 Looking for heroes, we are club zero 1676 01:35:44,030 --> 01:35:45,865 - I love it. - We did blow in our bras. 1677 01:35:45,949 --> 01:35:49,535 - We did blow and we gave birth. - Yeah, it was time to have babies. 1678 01:35:49,702 --> 01:35:51,955 - Which one is that? - She's having her baby. 1679 01:35:52,121 --> 01:35:53,665 Why am I always the baby? 1680 01:35:53,831 --> 01:35:55,958 You were always the baby 'cause you were the only one 1681 01:35:56,042 --> 01:35:57,752 that could fit between our legs. 1682 01:35:59,712 --> 01:36:02,548 Fair's fair, don't care 1683 01:36:02,757 --> 01:36:06,636 They may have control but we're not scared 1684 01:36:08,012 --> 01:36:10,014 Zero fucks given 1685 01:36:12,058 --> 01:36:15,144 Wake up, can't you see 1686 01:36:15,311 --> 01:36:19,440 Heads up, we're the new MVPs 1687 01:36:19,649 --> 01:36:22,235 Of the twenty-first century 1688 01:36:24,445 --> 01:36:27,532 The rules they made are battle lines 1689 01:36:27,740 --> 01:36:30,827 The grand design is out of time 1690 01:36:31,119 --> 01:36:35,498 Hey, we've got something to say 1691 01:36:35,707 --> 01:36:37,417 Gonna make the world shake 1692 01:36:37,625 --> 01:36:40,253 Ready or not, here we come 1693 01:36:40,461 --> 01:36:43,548 You better get out of our way 1694 01:36:43,756 --> 01:36:46,634 We won't stop until we're done 1695 01:36:46,884 --> 01:36:49,887 Better get out of our way 1696 01:36:50,179 --> 01:36:55,810 Walking like heroes We are club zero 1697 01:37:13,703 --> 01:37:16,789 The rules they made are battle lines 1698 01:37:16,998 --> 01:37:20,126 The grand design is out of time 1699 01:37:20,335 --> 01:37:24,881 Hey, we've got something to say 1700 01:37:25,089 --> 01:37:26,549 Gonna make the world shake 1701 01:37:26,758 --> 01:37:29,552 Ready or not, here we come 1702 01:37:29,761 --> 01:37:32,847 You better get out of our way 1703 01:37:33,056 --> 01:37:35,892 We won't stop until we're done 1704 01:37:36,100 --> 01:37:39,187 Better get out of our way 1705 01:37:39,395 --> 01:37:42,398 Looking for heroes We are club zero 1706 01:37:42,607 --> 01:37:47,070 Walking like heroes We are club zero 146321

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